Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - November 09, 2026


Dave Chappelle Mocks Charlie Kirk, Says He's IN Hell And He's Happy

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00:02:21.000 By now, I'm sure all of you have seen the story.
00:02:23.000 Dave Chappelle mocking Charlie Kirk's assassination over the weekend at a sold out show at Madison Square Garden.
00:02:30.000 Now, many people are saying he told a joke.
00:02:32.000 He did, kind of, but his first statement wasn't a joke.
00:02:35.000 He said that ever since Charlie Kirk was murdered, he's felt better.
00:02:39.000 That's not a joke, that's just him saying he feels good.
00:02:41.000 And many people stormed out of the event.
00:02:43.000 I don't know if it was like everybody, but fans filmed themselves leaving saying he was just complaining about politics for like 80 minutes.
00:02:51.000 Which is what we do.
00:02:53.000 So if you want to watch people complain about stuff on the internet, you come to us.
00:02:56.000 Dave Chappelle is supposed to be a comedian, I guess.
00:02:58.000 But he did add a joke.
00:03:00.000 He said, I'm sure Charlie Kirk is looking up at us, laughing so hard he can't breathe, which is, I would call it a joke, but it was a diss.
00:03:07.000 And there's a difference.
00:03:08.000 This is why it sparked a lot of outrage.
00:03:09.000 A diss is when the people are behind you and you're insulting someone so that you can laugh at them.
00:03:15.000 It is a kind of joke, but it's at someone else's expense intentionally.
00:03:19.000 And the issue, of course, Dave Chappelle was imitating, was making a play on Tony Hinchcliffe's joke.
00:03:25.000 About George Floyd, in which he said quite literally the exact same thing, which has sparked a massive controversy with people on the left saying people on the right are hypocrites because they don't support free speech.
00:03:36.000 Of course, I'm going to break it all down for you.
00:03:39.000 We here at Tim Cass are going to break it down for you so you can understand.
00:03:42.000 I'll just say it outright no one has principles.
00:03:45.000 I just literally don't think anybody does.
00:03:47.000 Maybe here and there, I might have some.
00:03:49.000 Everybody might have one or two.
00:03:50.000 But everybody is largely operating on moral structures, which is not.
00:03:56.000 Based on principles.
00:03:57.000 Hence, you're going to see these things be very, very different.
00:03:59.000 So, I'll say two things right at the top of this show.
00:04:03.000 I don't care why Dave Chappelle did it.
00:04:07.000 Charlie was my friend.
00:04:08.000 Have a nice day.
00:04:09.000 There's the door.
00:04:10.000 That's it.
00:04:11.000 Dave doesn't owe me anything, but I'm going to say this again.
00:04:13.000 I don't care what you think the moral argument is, the principled argument, free speech doesn't fly.
00:04:18.000 When you say the death of my friend made you feel better, you can leave.
00:04:22.000 I'm done with you, okay?
00:04:23.000 He can apologize.
00:04:24.000 Maybe he can come back.
00:04:25.000 But I'll say that, you know what?
00:04:26.000 Let me just save the rest.
00:04:28.000 But I'm going to say that right off the top, okay?
00:04:30.000 And then we'll have a big discussion about whether or not this is more the principles.
00:04:33.000 You know, I'm going to add this to the intro.
00:04:37.000 We are looking at a bizarro world.
00:04:39.000 That's what it is.
00:04:39.000 The left is bizarro America.
00:04:41.000 Why?
00:04:42.000 George Floyd was a career criminal who victimized people violently, he was in the process of committing a crime and doing drugs behind the wheel of a vehicle, actively resisting arrest.
00:04:53.000 And the guy who showed up after all of this, Chauvin, by all means, I don't think he was completely innocent, but he shows up after.
00:05:00.000 George Floyd resists arrest, says, I can't breathe, put me on the ground.
00:05:03.000 And they put that guy in prison for the rest of his life, as well as the rest of the officers.
00:05:08.000 It wasn't a good situation.
00:05:09.000 I don't think anybody should be commended for it.
00:05:11.000 But we are looking at people like Dave Chappelle who venerate career criminals, people who hold pregnant women at knife point, who chew speedballs, meth and fentanyl, by the wheel of a car.
00:05:22.000 That's who they venerate.
00:05:24.000 And they celebrate and they build statues for.
00:05:26.000 And they mock Charlie Kirk, model citizen, political activist.
00:05:31.000 Nah, he had opinions some of you didn't like.
00:05:33.000 That's about it.
00:05:34.000 He did everything by the rules with a smile on his face and open arms for all people to disagree with him.
00:05:40.000 And they shot him in the throat. 0.58
00:05:41.000 They killed him.
00:05:43.000 So, this is the state of this country right now.
00:05:45.000 We got a bunch of other news.
00:05:46.000 Hey, a vehicle rammed the White House today, broke through a security barrier, slammed into a sign.
00:05:51.000 A guy came out screaming.
00:05:53.000 Secret Service and National Guard brought him down while he screamed.
00:05:55.000 Hey, that happened again a few days ago.
00:05:57.000 A second guy apparently jumped the barrier today, too. 0.95
00:06:00.000 Holy crap, it's just so crazy, isn't it? 0.53
00:06:02.000 And then you got Jennifer Welch, the I've Had It podcast. 0.91
00:06:04.000 She's lost an estimated 28 sponsors because she pulled up a tweet where someone said, We're going to dig up Charlie and do it again, and then laughed for like 30 seconds. 0.91
00:06:13.000 So we'll discuss this culture war.
00:06:16.000 Then you got Russell Brand, who was sentenced to prison for 10 years.
00:06:19.000 Donald Trump is talking about amnesty. 0.99
00:06:21.000 Holy crap, when it rains, it pours, man. 0.96
00:06:23.000 We got a couple of guys joining us tonight to talk about all this and so much more. 0.96
00:06:27.000 It's actually serendipitous to have you both here, in fact, with this subject matter.
00:06:31.000 TJ, you want to introduce yourself?
00:06:32.000 Yeah, my name is.
00:06:33.000 Thanks for having me on.
00:06:34.000 I was a state and federal prosecutor for many years.
00:06:34.000 I'm TJ Harker.
00:06:38.000 I've been recently commenting on a variety of public issues involving lawfare for a variety of different outlets American Mind, Chronicles, The Federalist.
00:06:45.000 When I was a prosecutor, I handled a whole bunch of different trials, espionage, fraud, some of the largest trials in the country in 2021.
00:06:53.000 Not the largest, but two of the largest.
00:06:55.000 The largest was the trial of Officer Derek Chauvin, which you referenced earlier.
00:06:58.000 Yeah.
00:06:59.000 And I think it's important to get to the truth of this because, again, as I stated, we're in bizarre.
00:07:05.000 We are looking, the left is a bizarro version of America in that Derek Chauvin, for whatever your criticisms of him are, they believe some weird fantasy nightmare reality of what really happened.
00:07:16.000 And I want to break that down because I do believe this is obviously why Dave Chappelle chose to mock Charlie Kirk the way he did.
00:07:23.000 But again, there's a bizarre element.
00:07:25.000 So, yeah, but Mike.
00:07:26.000 How's it going?
00:07:27.000 Who are you?
00:07:29.000 I'm very pleased to be here.
00:07:30.000 Enjoyed talking to TJ in the green room, found out all about him.
00:07:33.000 He was a prosecutor, I was a cop.
00:07:35.000 We never worked together, which is probably a good thing now that I think about it because we were going down some rabbit holes there.
00:07:42.000 Long term Republican, long term professional economist, worked for the White House, worked for a few other agencies, taught in the universities for a while, had my own business for a long while.
00:07:54.000 As a second career, I became a cop.
00:07:56.000 I worked on the road for 11 and a half years in South Florida.
00:07:59.000 Around the time I joined the Libertarian Party out of fiscal disappointment with the Republican Party, I served as the Libertarian Party's vice presidential nominee in 2024.
00:08:10.000 My team and I rejoined the Republican Party, joined the Republican Liberty Caucus last year, and very excited to be now launching a campaign to earn the vice presidential nomination of the Republican Party, a campaign that's never been run before, which is probably everything you need to know about whether or not it's a good idea.
00:08:27.000 I think it's a fantastic idea, but this is just to be the vice president in 2028.
00:08:33.000 To run and earn the nomination in 2028, we want the national delegates to weigh in on who they would like to have as the presidential nominee rather than just blindly deferring to the presidential nominee, as has been tradition.
00:08:48.000 Yeah.
00:08:49.000 Interesting.
00:08:50.000 Great to have you.
00:08:51.000 Great to be here.
00:08:52.000 Guess who's back?
00:08:53.000 What's up, guys?
00:08:54.000 My name's Alad Aliyahu.
00:08:55.000 I'm a journalist.
00:08:56.000 I do some White House reporting.
00:08:57.000 It's good to be back, Tim.
00:08:58.000 It's a beautiful studio, you guys.
00:08:59.000 Fantastic.
00:09:00.000 Welcome back.
00:09:01.000 In the meantime, what's your name?
00:09:02.000 You were hanging out at the press briefing room with Dana White, huh?
00:09:04.000 Yeah, it was very cool to see him there.
00:09:06.000 It's always very cool to see the president in the flesh.
00:09:09.000 And unfortunately, we're not getting Dana White as our press secretary.
00:09:13.000 To be frank, though, the president doesn't need a press secretary.
00:09:18.000 He's his own best press secretary.
00:09:19.000 He also takes like 20 questions a day, so more questions than any press secretary would.
00:09:23.000 But anyway, Phil, what's up?
00:09:24.000 He takes questions, but I'm not so sure that he actually gives answers.
00:09:28.000 He answers the questions that he wants to answer.
00:09:29.000 He takes 20 questions, gives 10 answers.
00:09:32.000 Exactly.
00:09:32.000 What's up, everybody?
00:09:33.000 My name's Phil.
00:09:34.000 I sing for All That Remains.
00:09:36.000 What's going on over there, Carter?
00:09:38.000 Going on, man.
00:09:39.000 I'm pumped a lot.
00:09:40.000 I'm pumped that you're back.
00:09:41.000 And I'm glad to have you all as guests.
00:09:43.000 Now, let's just get right into it.
00:09:44.000 Phil, let's go.
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00:11:13.000 Let's jump into the news.
00:11:14.000 By now, I'm sure most of you have seen the story.
00:11:17.000 Dave Chappelle's Charlie Kirk joke at MSG draws rebuke from Erica Kirk.
00:11:22.000 She indeed stepped up and talked about what happened.
00:11:25.000 I do believe that we have the clip here.
00:11:28.000 I'm going to play the clips for you.
00:11:29.000 You can see the joke for yourself, and then we'll break it all down.
00:11:33.000 Here you go.
00:11:34.000 Here's the viral clip. 0.99
00:11:35.000 I feel fucked up saying this. 0.99
00:11:38.000 It's scary being a public speaker. 0.99
00:11:42.000 And I mean, look, ever since that guy.
00:11:46.000 Charlie Kirk got murdered.
00:11:50.000 And I shouldn't say this publicly, but I feel better now.
00:11:59.000 I know I shouldn't say that, but it's just a feeling.
00:12:04.000 It's just a feeling.
00:12:05.000 Well, he's got more.
00:12:06.000 That wasn't the only thing he said.
00:12:08.000 He closed out by saying this.
00:12:09.000 Actually, he didn't close out, but he added this.
00:12:11.000 I'm sure Charlie Kirk is looking up at us right now, laughing so.
00:12:20.000 Now, you may be wondering what that joke was.
00:12:22.000 Well, we got the clip for you.
00:12:24.000 Proud of you.
00:12:25.000 You've done good, though, Kevin.
00:12:27.000 The black community is so proud of you right now.
00:12:29.000 George Floyd is looking up at us all, laughing so hard that he can't breathe.
00:12:36.000 God bless you, Kevin.
00:12:39.000 Indeed, this sparked massive outrage among basically everybody.
00:12:43.000 Now, I'll say a couple of things first off to kick this conversation in high gear.
00:12:47.000 The first thing he said about Charlie Kirk getting murdered made him feel better was not a joke.
00:12:53.000 Literally, no joke there.
00:12:54.000 He's just saying it.
00:12:55.000 Many people who walked out, they filmed themselves walking out.
00:12:58.000 There's a couple of people that have gone viral for this.
00:13:00.000 They said that he was just basically ranting for like 80 minutes.
00:13:03.000 He wasn't making any jokes.
00:13:05.000 He was just complaining about Trump and racism and Charlie Kirk and insulting them.
00:13:09.000 And apparently, he mocked Jesus too.
00:13:11.000 I don't know exactly what was said in that capacity.
00:13:13.000 But several people were like, yeah, there was no punchline.
00:13:16.000 He was just basically saying he hated Charlie Kirk, was calling him racist and things like this.
00:13:20.000 So, right now, the big debate is whether or not.
00:13:23.000 The right supports or opposes free speech.
00:13:27.000 So I'll say a couple of things for all of these people.
00:13:31.000 You've got, I'm going to shout out my low order thinker libertarians, not all libertarians, just the low order thinker ones, who don't have any moral foundations other than liberty.
00:13:43.000 Check out Jonathan Knight's Moral Foundation research.
00:13:45.000 You'll be surprised at what some of these people support.
00:13:48.000 They believe in principles.
00:13:50.000 Well, I am going to disabuse you of that notion.
00:13:52.000 There's no such thing.
00:13:53.000 Okay, to be fair, there are sometimes, somewhere.
00:13:56.000 Almost no one operates on principles, and those that say they do are lying.
00:14:02.000 Some do, 99.9% don't, and it is no exception in the culture war.
00:14:07.000 This is to say, I say this with total derision to most people who are activists in the culture war, but I will also say this with respect to those who are cognizant of this.
00:14:15.000 Humans operate on moral frameworks, not principles.
00:14:20.000 This means there is a line some people think you should not cross, and others think it's fine to cross.
00:14:27.000 That is, when you insult, when a society denigrates a career criminal, drug abuser who is resisting arrest, we say, yeah, well, that's who we should mock.
00:14:37.000 A society draws its line saying, those people should be derided to discourage people from doing those things.
00:14:44.000 And you venerate the men who stand up for righteousness, for good, for order, for making this country stronger and more prosperous, particularly when they are murdered in cold blood.
00:14:55.000 So that's a moral distinction. 0.96
00:14:58.000 It is an absurd and stupid notion to argue, I have a principle that you should never mock the dead. 1.00
00:15:04.000 No, there are terrorists and murderers and child rapists, and we want society to know that should you engage in those behaviors, we will mock you and your legacy will be a dirty diaper. 0.99
00:15:15.000 And those that stand for good, who will sacrifice themselves for what is better, we build statues in your honor.
00:15:22.000 That's always been the distinction. 0.94
00:15:24.000 So you got the low order thinker libertarians calling conservatives hypocrites, but don't get me wrong, you got conservative hypocrites claiming Dave Chappelle was never funny, which is just Ridiculous considering he's the most famous comedian in the world. 0.96
00:15:35.000 But I'll throw it to you guys. 0.96
00:15:36.000 Let's get the conversation going.
00:15:38.000 What say y'all?
00:15:39.000 My opinion's clear.
00:15:41.000 I think Dave Chappelle was funny.
00:15:43.000 I thought he was very funny.
00:15:45.000 I don't think he's funny anymore.
00:15:47.000 I still think he's funny.
00:15:48.000 I just think this wasn't funny.
00:15:49.000 This wasn't funny.
00:15:50.000 I understand most of the show wasn't funny.
00:15:52.000 I don't think ranting about politics is funny.
00:15:55.000 And I certainly don't think what he said was funny.
00:15:57.000 But in fairness, and Tim, you pointed this out, I don't think he was trying to be funny. 0.99
00:16:01.000 He was trying to be a jerk, and I think he succeeded. 0.94
00:16:03.000 So, a few things here. 0.99
00:16:05.000 First and foremost, I think Dave Chappelle was at one point one of the funniest comedians around.
00:16:09.000 I think The Chappelle Show was one of the best shows around in its prime.
00:16:14.000 Ever since Chappelle kind of aged more, he stopped kind of telling jokes, and now his comedy special has just turned into these annoying, obnoxious lectures that I really hate. 0.98
00:16:23.000 And comedy pretends nowadays, I feel like, or for a long time, pretend to be truth tellers, but are just usually obnoxious assholes. 0.96
00:16:30.000 And I think that's what the case is here with Chappelle. 0.95
00:16:32.000 I think he knew what he was doing, but I think this is also very clearly and obviously conservative bait.
00:16:37.000 I think he knew what he was doing because he was like quoting this Ratcliffe joke, and he knew he was going to hit the conservatives with the freak.
00:16:43.000 Or what's the name?
00:16:43.000 H. Cliff. Inchcliffe.
00:16:44.000 That cliff's in Congress.
00:16:46.000 Whatever.
00:16:47.000 Float him in later.
00:16:47.000 Same difference.
00:16:48.000 But he knew that he'd be able to hit the conservatives with the free speech argument and say that they're a bunch of hypocrites. 0.93
00:16:55.000 I think we just, at this point, the culture is so messed up in how bloodthirsty and excited and how people laugh at the pain of the Kirk family. 0.93
00:17:05.000 The Kirk family's become a punchline.
00:17:06.000 Erica Kirk's become a punchline. 0.65
00:17:08.000 And it's like, it's a sad, sick joke.
00:17:10.000 And people think violence towards Charlie Kirk was justified across the country.
00:17:15.000 I feel as though many people in the Democrat Party.
00:17:17.000 Think that was justified.
00:17:18.000 They think the Luigi Mangioni stuff is justified.
00:17:21.000 And where does that leave us as a culture and society?
00:17:23.000 It leads us towards Tim's not favorite thing, but what he says very often Civil War.
00:17:28.000 Where else does this go?
00:17:29.000 And again, we'll see deranged people. 0.99
00:17:31.000 They're deranged right wingers and left wingers.
00:17:33.000 Where does that leave them thinking?
00:17:35.000 Where does that leave them thinking?
00:17:36.000 Can we just talk quickly about whether or not there is actually hypocrisy here?
00:17:39.000 Because there's not.
00:17:41.000 So let's disregard that premise entirely.
00:17:43.000 The First Amendment protects five things the freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom to petition the government for redress of grievances, and freedom of speech.
00:17:51.000 Freedom of speech means you are secure in your right vis a vis the government to say what you want.
00:17:58.000 But that has nothing to do with whether we can criticize other people for speaking publicly, shame them, remove them from the public square.
00:18:04.000 It just means that the government can't stop them.
00:18:07.000 Yes, but that's not the argument being made right now.
00:18:08.000 The argument being made right now is that the right argued for the right to free speech as it pertained to offensive jokes and now are not arguing for it because they offended.
00:18:17.000 No, we are arguing, well, I am arguing that you should have the capacity to speak freely vis a vis the government.
00:18:23.000 The government should not be able to stop you.
00:18:26.000 When you exercise that right, you are also bringing upon yourself the opportunity to be mocked out of the public square.
00:18:31.000 And my strictly limited point here is this is not hypocrisy.
00:18:35.000 This is not paradoxical.
00:18:36.000 There's nothing inconsistent about those views.
00:18:38.000 The free speech right of the First Amendment only protects you from the government.
00:18:42.000 We'll break this down.
00:18:43.000 The cancel culture war centered around social media companies and other companies either firing employees or censoring and banning people, these were private companies doing it.
00:18:52.000 And the left argued you have no right to free speech on a private platform owned by other people.
00:18:58.000 Now, I actually disagree with that.
00:18:59.000 I think that when Twitter or X owns the monopoly on the public square, there has to be some capacity by which individuals can participate in public.
00:19:09.000 So I've never agreed with this free speech, you know, this leftist argument or whatever it may be.
00:19:15.000 But the argument made by conservatives was Facebook shouldn't censor people.
00:19:19.000 So there's a difference between when Dave Chappelle in 2019 was calling out political correctness at the height of cancel culture, I called him a hero.
00:19:27.000 Why?
00:19:28.000 Because cancel culture was banning people for literally any reason.
00:19:31.000 Like Zuby, who got a suspension on Twitter for saying, okay, dude.
00:19:36.000 He didn't misgender someone.
00:19:38.000 Someone responded to his argument, someone went, okay, dude.
00:19:40.000 And they said, misgendering, that's cancel culture. 0.99
00:19:44.000 Sarah Silverman got fired because she did blackface 10 years before. 0.99
00:19:47.000 So she was going to be in a movie. 0.85
00:19:48.000 They're like, 10 years ago, you did blackface.
00:19:50.000 There was a race car driver who lost sponsors because his dad, his dad, said the N word in the 80s.
00:19:56.000 That's insane.
00:19:57.000 John Schnatter, Papa John.
00:19:58.000 Got fired from his company that he founded because he complained in a phone call that Colonel Sanders said the N word.
00:20:04.000 Oop, he actually said the word though.
00:20:07.000 Heaven forbid a guy say racism is bad.
00:20:09.000 Nope, they fired him for it. 0.78
00:20:11.000 That's cancel culture.
00:20:12.000 Dave Chappelle standing up at the height of all of that and saying, I'll offend you if I want to.
00:20:17.000 That's heroic because it was an irrational, broken system.
00:20:20.000 Today, Dave Chappelle is offended because Tony Hinchcliffe said a joke about George Floyd and everybody laughed.
00:20:27.000 And he's hurt by it because he doesn't like that George Floyd died.
00:20:30.000 And George Floyd's family was hurt by it.
00:20:33.000 Now, I don't like the idea of making fun of people who die.
00:20:37.000 I am sad by the death of George Floyd.
00:20:38.000 I wish he did not die.
00:20:39.000 It should not have happened.
00:20:40.000 But there is a distinction here.
00:20:42.000 Dave Chappelle was not doing this to prove a point.
00:20:46.000 That's a fine opinion, but I disagree with that psychoanalysis.
00:20:51.000 In my view, I think Dave Chappelle is personally hurt when he watches Tony Hinchcliffe make that joke and everyone laughs.
00:20:58.000 Because to Dave, in his mind, George Floyd was an innocent guy murdered by the police, and we're laughing at him.
00:21:04.000 And we're laughing at the pain he's experienced.
00:21:06.000 The problem is, Dave Chappelle is factually wrong and has no idea what he's talking about.
00:21:11.000 This is what most liberals do and how most liberals are.
00:21:13.000 They live in a bizarre world of fake information, they don't even know what they're talking about half the time.
00:21:17.000 So instead of looking into what happened, Dave Chappelle has an emotional knee jerk reaction, thinks George Flo is an innocent guy who was brutally murdered by the cops instead of a career criminal who was resisting arrest, still should not have died, but I digress. 0.94
00:21:30.000 And so he says, If you needle me, I'm going to needle you.
00:21:34.000 And therein lies the problem.
00:21:38.000 If we are to exist in a radio Rwanda society where there is always an escalating tit for tat, I hope you guys have bought your safeandreadymeals.com emergency food. 0.67
00:21:48.000 Because my fear after Dave Chappelle said this is that someone's going to try and kill him.
00:21:53.000 Why?
00:21:54.000 Because this is the most brutal mockery of Charlie Kirk's death I have heard yet.
00:22:00.000 And people were buying t shirts covered in his blood.
00:22:03.000 And Dave Chappelle went before, was it 30 some odd thousand people at Madison Square Garden and said, When people I don't like are killed, I feel good.
00:22:12.000 Now there's going to be someone out there who cried and mourned the death of Charlie, and they're going to say, I'd like to feel good too.
00:22:18.000 That's the problem with what Dave Chappelle just did.
00:22:21.000 He's opened the door on himself, me, and anybody else who's in the public commentary space.
00:22:26.000 That's why it's principally number one wrong to do.
00:22:29.000 No one is going around suggesting that you murder people like George Floyd.
00:22:34.000 Dave Chappelle got on stage in front of the world and said, it's good when you kill, and that is messed up.
00:22:42.000 It is messed up.
00:22:43.000 The other thing that's messed up, and you did a good job of explaining the second comment that he made about the joke about looking up at us.
00:22:49.000 The first comment that you showed us, however, that In which Dave had said, you know, I feel better, right?
00:22:57.000 I think that may come from a different place.
00:23:00.000 I think that Dave is really upset about the fact that we have a conservative culture in America in which a lot of people, like Charlie Kirk, actually believe in a certain set of values and it drives Dave crazy.
00:23:16.000 I think that he really resents a whole lot of thinking of a conservative nature.
00:23:22.000 I am not convinced that he doesn't feel better over this.
00:23:26.000 I think Dave is messed up, and I think he's a part of this victim culture that we have in all too many circles in the United States where we lift up victimhood and we praise people who have failed.
00:23:39.000 And I think that that's where Dave is coming from.
00:23:42.000 You know, one of the things I find fascinating about this, too, is that I was looking it up, but Charlie Kirk actually tweeted out in support of Dave Chappelle when he was attacked allegedly by some like.
00:23:50.000 Not allegedly, it's on camera. 1.00
00:23:51.000 Attacked by this like trans crazed person. 1.00
00:23:53.000 Yep. 1.00
00:23:54.000 And like, I don't know, no good defense.
00:23:55.000 Alfred was unpunished.
00:23:56.000 And it's kind of messed up.
00:23:57.000 The one silver lining on this, though, is when you played the first video, you could actually hear some people aghast and taken aback.
00:24:04.000 And, like, there was this one woman, like, oh, that's kind of messed up.
00:24:07.000 So it is a little bit heartening to hear some of their responses. 0.99
00:24:10.000 It is.
00:24:11.000 Well, it is.
00:24:11.000 And good for you for pointing that out.
00:24:13.000 There's videos of people walking out of the venue.
00:24:15.000 Yeah, there wasn't a lot of cheering.
00:24:17.000 A lot of the crowd seemed a little stunned.
00:24:18.000 Like, again, there was no.
00:24:19.000 Like, that's messed up.
00:24:20.000 Like, that's messed up.
00:24:21.000 What that suggests is that the Overton window has shifted in the last five years.
00:24:25.000 That now, that never would have happened five years ago that a left wing comedian, and I agree that Dave Chappelle is very funny, that he would have made a comment that was politically inflammatory and that anybody would have walked out or suggested anything to him.
00:24:38.000 It wouldn't have been considered politically inflammatory.
00:24:41.000 Exactly, correct.
00:24:42.000 Apparently, according to some of the people that were there, They said that when people started walking out on them, and like they were groans, they were jeers, some people cheered, some people yelled F Charlie. 0.98
00:24:51.000 When people started walking out, Dave apparently complained this crowd sucks. 0.96
00:24:56.000 That's according to one person who was there. 0.95
00:24:59.000 Yeah.
00:25:00.000 Look, this whole idea that woke is dead, that there is not a culture war going on in the United States.
00:25:09.000 There are a lot of people on the right that thought, oh, Donald Trump won the election, and we are going to have now, you know, we're going to have control of the culture, et cetera.
00:25:18.000 The conservatives or people on the right, I think is probably a better way to describe it.
00:25:22.000 They don't have control of the culture, but they do have influence now.
00:25:26.000 And I think that that's kind of been the way that it's always been.
00:25:30.000 There was a time where if you said something that was politically correct, like in the 90s, you could get people trying to boycott you and stuff.
00:25:38.000 This was generally if the right didn't like it.
00:25:41.000 And then the pendulum swung and the left kind of took over the culture.
00:25:45.000 And then by 2010, you could lose whatever for saying the wrong thing, 2012, whatever it was.
00:25:52.000 But there was always kind of a stalemate, right?
00:25:54.000 Like the right had enough influence to be able to actually, you know, threaten to boycott or threaten to get people fired.
00:26:03.000 The left then became ascendant and then they had all the influence.
00:26:06.000 But I think now it's kind of going to kind of gone back to the situation where, look, if you say something insensitive, there is enough energy on the right and enough energy on the left where you can get some kind of, you know, social consequences.
00:26:22.000 And, Now it seems Dave is going to be.
00:26:25.000 I think what's going to happen now, you've got this viral clip of James Carville saying Democrats were lying the whole time.
00:26:30.000 They don't care about affordability.
00:26:31.000 They want revenge and they want to humiliate Trump.
00:26:33.000 We're going to have two.
00:26:34.000 So here's what's particularly scary Democrats are now saying they're going to go after any companies that supported Trump.
00:26:39.000 They're going to go after any media personalities that supported Trump.
00:26:42.000 They know they can't go after the government because Blanche and the government have the DOJ.
00:26:47.000 So they're going to legally jam up anybody who supported Trump.
00:26:50.000 They want to erode the base from beneath him.
00:26:53.000 Todd Blanche said.
00:26:54.000 Yeah, or I should be careful how he phrased it, but he basically was like, if they start going after the Trump administration illicitly, he's going to go after them.
00:27:02.000 So I'm just going to say it like this The New York Times published an article a few days ago saying we're in the fourth great crisis of America.
00:27:10.000 Oh boy, I wonder what that sounds like.
00:27:12.000 And they make reference to the Civil War and World War II and the Great Depression.
00:27:16.000 And I'm like, right.
00:27:18.000 And the article was about the political divisions in this country.
00:27:21.000 When Dave Chappelle gets up on stage and says, I feel better that Charlie Kirk was murdered, That's assassination culture.
00:27:27.000 I would not be surprised again.
00:27:29.000 And I hope Dave takes care of himself.
00:27:31.000 I hope he's got security and all that because we don't want any violence.
00:27:34.000 But I'm going to say it again.
00:27:36.000 The people who shut up for Charlie Kirk's funeral, the people who believe in more than just who Charlie was, I want to make this distinction.
00:27:45.000 When George Floyd died, people tried to burn the country down.
00:27:49.000 In fact, it was like, what, $4 or $5 billion in damage nationwide.
00:27:54.000 And 30 some odd people were killed after George Floyd died.
00:27:59.000 When Charlie Kirk died, there was no riot.
00:28:02.000 But that anger is pent up, and people still have it.
00:28:06.000 And George Floyd is trying to throw fire onto that powder keg.
00:28:10.000 That's what terrifies me.
00:28:11.000 To say this to so many people who have not reacted to the murder of someone they followed, they cared about, or someone that many of them loved, with no reaction, to see this man, I want to make sure people understand it is painful to watch these college kids wear the freedom shirts covered in blood for Halloween, and they all did it.
00:28:31.000 They were doing it all over the place.
00:28:32.000 The young woman who went and told the poem about the Kirk Aversary, how they memified the murder of this guy, the murder of him.
00:28:40.000 And conservatives still have not reacted with violence. 0.94
00:28:44.000 They are being needled every day and they are being spat on, being told, we will kill you and we will laugh and we will get away with it.
00:28:51.000 What scares me the most is that Dave Chappelle is one of the biggest possible personalities on the planet.
00:28:57.000 And he decided he was going to give permission to everybody, that he was going to look into the eyes of every Charlie Kirk fan and say, I feel good about this.
00:29:05.000 Okay.
00:29:06.000 I fear someone's going to say, okay, Dave, you feel so good.
00:29:08.000 Let's see how good you feel.
00:29:09.000 That's what I'm worried about.
00:29:11.000 I think the point you made in the beginning, how the government is going to be going after businesses, going after private citizens and stuff like that to try to cool the impulse for either political activism or to be involved with the administration, I think that signals the most stressing situation.
00:29:32.000 Let me put it like this What we are seeing right now with the Democrats, those people you saw on the street throwing Molotov cocktails eight years ago, Yeah, those are the people in Congress now.
00:29:47.000 They won. 0.57
00:29:48.000 You've got 25 confirmed gender non conforming individuals who won in this midterm.
00:29:54.000 These are people who I guarantee you were out marching in those streets.
00:29:58.000 Not suggesting they were doing anything violent.
00:30:00.000 And not just them, but in this wave, you are getting people who 10 years ago were the fringe activists who were marching in these streets that were engaging in violence or whatever it might be.
00:30:11.000 George Floyd, six years ago.
00:30:12.000 I guarantee you these people were in these protests.
00:30:15.000 What you are seeing right now at the federal level is what happens when the street level activists who throw bricks.
00:30:20.000 Get federal power.
00:30:21.000 I warned about this in 2018.
00:30:24.000 Everybody was telling me it's not possible.
00:30:26.000 It'll never happen.
00:30:27.000 The security apparatus of the United States government would never allow it.
00:30:29.000 And we are literally here right now with street level far left activists holding the reins of political power.
00:30:37.000 I said it before and I'll say it again.
00:30:38.000 Populations don't change their politics, their politics are developed as children, as young people, and they grow into the political system.
00:30:47.000 That's why Nick Fuentes is getting 80,000 concurrent viewers.
00:30:51.000 And getting half a million to a million views per show despite being banned everywhere.
00:30:55.000 Young men who followed him developed those politics, are now entering the political space with those politics.
00:31:01.000 What we are going to see is here's how I described it.
00:31:05.000 Back in the day, the left and the right were very close to each other with an overlap.
00:31:10.000 As time went on, they slowly started to move away from each other.
00:31:13.000 The younger generation is down here, the older generation is up here. 0.60
00:31:17.000 You take two boomers, they're going to grant a lot of things. 0.52
00:31:19.000 You take two Gen Z, and they're not going to grant anything. 0.90
00:31:23.000 As the boomers die off and our generations move, the center of American politics is getting spread further and further out till eventually we get stuff like this Dave Chappelle gloating over the murder of a guy for politics. 0.98
00:31:36.000 So, what comes next? 0.80
00:31:38.000 Well, a 20 year old who protests becomes a 30 year old who runs for office, becomes a 40 year old president, becomes a 40 year old member of Congress, who becomes a 50 year old who passes a bill saying, Gulag the right. 0.87
00:31:50.000 And eventually you get two vehicles, two black SUVs. 0.73
00:31:53.000 Speeding down DC towards the police station, two men jump out, run up to the building, and scream, Arrest that man, at each other.
00:32:01.000 And then the police are going to make a decision.
00:32:03.000 And depending on who controls law enforcement and violence, makes a determination.
00:32:07.000 If this is to continue with the Democrats threatening to go after private citizens for their political opinions, or Slotkin saying she'll go after junior staffers, then the end result is fairly obvious, in my opinion.
00:32:19.000 Either the right says, guess you win, left, revolution.
00:32:24.000 The left now has more than enough state legislatures to overturn the electoral college, eliminating a constitutional protection.
00:32:32.000 And they make it blocked by the Supreme Court because there are some arguments against how they could pull this off, but.
00:32:37.000 Functionally, they could eliminate the Electoral College in 2028.
00:32:42.000 In which case, that's a revolution.
00:32:44.000 That is the dissolution of our constitutional government when they rip that through secondary means.
00:32:50.000 Will the right just say, guess you win?
00:32:52.000 Will the left then take 2028 and make Puerto Rico, D.C., Guam states, the Virgin Islands, add eight new Democrats senators so the right can never win again?
00:33:02.000 Will they pack the Supreme Court?
00:33:02.000 Probably.
00:33:03.000 Probably.
00:33:04.000 Maybe they won't.
00:33:05.000 Maybe it's one big game.
00:33:06.000 My point is either.
00:33:06.000 I don't know.
00:33:08.000 The right rolls over and you get a revolution, or the right says no and you get a civil war.
00:33:13.000 I think there's more options than that.
00:33:16.000 Elaborate. 0.97
00:33:18.000 You're not wrong that there is a large proportion of the Democratic Party that is crazy.
00:33:24.000 I appreciate the fact that on the left they would argue similarly about our party.
00:33:29.000 And it is true that the parties have moved farther and farther apart.
00:33:34.000 Indeed, I often say that our politics have broken into two camps.
00:33:38.000 On one side are the crazies on the left and the crazies on the right.
00:33:42.000 Who are driving our politics away from each other toward conflict and an inability to resolve issues.
00:33:47.000 And that's wrong.
00:33:48.000 And that's wrong.
00:33:49.000 Well, I don't think so.
00:33:49.000 You are wrong.
00:33:50.000 Donald Trump is a former liberal.
00:33:52.000 Elon Musk is a former liberal.
00:33:53.000 Tulsi Gabbard was a former liberal.
00:33:54.000 RFK Jr. was a former liberal.
00:33:56.000 And they're all on the same team.
00:33:57.000 And they're on the same team of moderation.
00:33:59.000 And the people defending Charlie Kirk are standing up against violence. 0.71
00:34:02.000 And the people gloating and celebrating it are insane.
00:34:05.000 The right is composed or was of a mix of political views from libertarian to moderate, conservative, independent.
00:34:12.000 And the left is a cult.
00:34:14.000 The left does have cult elements.
00:34:16.000 The right has cult elements too.
00:34:18.000 The right has a problem.
00:34:19.000 The left is on our team are all the normal people.
00:34:22.000 And then we have this other political class team in America that has an interest in conflict on the left and on the right who dehumanize the other side to your point.
00:34:34.000 This is, you know, Dave is an example of someone who is not on my team.
00:34:37.000 And that's not because he's on the left and I'm on the right.
00:34:39.000 It's because he's crazy and he doesn't want people to get along in a way. 0.90
00:34:43.000 So, which political leader on the right is advocating for death and gloating over the murder of leftists? 0.93
00:34:47.000 Left personalities?
00:34:48.000 Nobody that I know of.
00:34:49.000 But the left is doing it entirely.
00:34:50.000 So, again, when you say the right has their extremists who want conflict, no, they don't.
00:34:55.000 Well, they don't want murder, but the left does.
00:34:58.000 Right, so that's the difference.
00:34:59.000 Absolutely, there is a big difference.
00:35:01.000 You are absolutely allowed to insult, mock, and belittle people for their politics and be mean about it.
00:35:05.000 I wouldn't recommend it.
00:35:06.000 I don't like it.
00:35:07.000 But crossing the line is when you murder people and gloat over their death, and that's the left. 1.00
00:35:12.000 So, when people on the right say, I think the left is crazy or they're a cult or you're an idiot, you're a moron, well, that's. 1.00
00:35:19.000 Crass, but acceptable within politics. 1.00
00:35:22.000 When the left says it's good that Charlie died and they feel good and they wear Halloween costumes of blood spout on their necks, that's the people advocating for murder and death.
00:35:29.000 The right doesn't.
00:35:30.000 There's a huge difference, but I don't think it necessarily means in the next couple of years they're going to eliminate, for example, the Electoral College. 0.98
00:35:36.000 I just don't think the Democratic Party has its shit together sufficient. 0.96
00:35:40.000 That's not one of the words I'm not allowed to use. 0.99
00:35:41.000 It's fine.
00:35:42.000 I don't think that they have their act together enough to accomplish anything.
00:35:45.000 Remember that the Democratic Party did not this week earn a mandate to do anything.
00:35:49.000 Yes, but we're talking about state legislatures that.
00:35:52.000 They are the voters to enact the national popular vote.
00:35:54.000 But they don't have a mandate either.
00:35:56.000 The Democratic Party doesn't have a mandate.
00:35:59.000 Every blue state that's gotten a legislative majority has passed the interstate compact.
00:36:02.000 And also, and now we've got six more states that just reached that blue majority.
00:36:07.000 I do not think the trend says they would not do it.
00:36:10.000 And to be real, real quick, to be fair, we have seen this in Congress time and time again where the Democrat leadership will go to one person and say, spike the vote because we want the issue.
00:36:19.000 It's possible.
00:36:20.000 The only problem is the national popular vote interstate compact is two states, two over the thresholds to accomplish it, which would mean the Democratic Party would have to convince two of the six not to vote on what they've campaigned on.
00:36:34.000 How does the compact work?
00:36:34.000 Maybe, maybe.
00:36:35.000 It's that whoever would win the national popular vote, they'd commit all their electoral votes to it.
00:36:40.000 They pledged to subvert the Constitution.
00:36:44.000 To your point about a mandate, though, the people that were elected, like the Democrats, I think it's highly likely that they believe that this is a mandate.
00:36:55.000 They don't look at this and say, and I get the sense because I've talked to some of my friends that are actually on the left, and they don't get the sense that this is because of.
00:37:04.000 The war and because of inflation and because of gas prices.
00:37:07.000 They get the sense that this is a repudiation of Trump.
00:37:10.000 The people don't like Trump and the people don't like Trump for all of the reasons that the Democrats don't like Trump.
00:37:16.000 It's not because, you know, I can't pay my bills.
00:37:18.000 I don't have, you know, the prospects of getting a home and I'm, you know, 25, 30.
00:37:23.000 I don't, you know, I don't like the Iran war.
00:37:24.000 He promised that we wouldn't go to war.
00:37:26.000 I agree with you from a conservative or from a realistic perspective.
00:37:31.000 They don't have a mandate.
00:37:33.000 But according to the left, they do.
00:37:35.000 And that's really.
00:37:37.000 Their perception matters in that that's all they need to behave in a way as if they do.
00:37:42.000 And they have the numbers to do that.
00:37:44.000 So they might get people that really don't like what they do.
00:37:49.000 They might get people that would kick them out of office because of the things that they do.
00:37:53.000 But the things that we're talking about, things like expanding the court, the things like overriding the state compact, all of those things, they would do.
00:38:03.000 They'll get rid of the federalists.
00:38:04.000 I think plenty of them would.
00:38:05.000 The problem is that they're not organized to do so because they don't have a majority of people who ran on those issues.
00:38:11.000 Organization is a cult.
00:38:12.000 Some ran on this, some ran on that, but they're just messed up at this point.
00:38:16.000 Is it required for what they are?
00:38:19.000 The right is the disparate group of eclectic political beliefs.
00:38:22.000 The left is not.
00:38:23.000 The left is a cult.
00:38:25.000 I'm sure you've seen the graphs showing that the right has all these different camps spattered all over the place, and they all tear each other's throats apart.
00:38:31.000 The libertarians broke from Trump a while ago over the war in Iran and the Epstein files.
00:38:36.000 On the left, they're all hyper centralized around one cluster.
00:38:40.000 This means you are going to see what we call the standalone complex, and I think you do.
00:38:44.000 That is, you do not need to instruct a Democrat as to, or a liberal, as to what is the appropriate course of action towards victory.
00:38:51.000 You do not need to go to a polling location and tell the liberal, when you're doing signature verification, throw the Trump in the garbage or throw the Biden in the winners. 0.54
00:39:00.000 They just do.
00:39:01.000 The right doesn't do these things.
00:39:02.000 You get the consequences of a conspiracy without the meeting of the minds.
00:39:05.000 Exactly.
00:39:06.000 And that's called the standalone complex.
00:39:08.000 And that's what I think we largely see with the left.
00:39:09.000 I think this can be understood in another way.
00:39:11.000 And I agree with a lot of the points you've made, but the United States is deep in crisis right now.
00:39:15.000 And it's deep in crisis because one political party does not care about the institutions that exist in the United States.
00:39:20.000 Not to you.
00:39:21.000 Hold on one second.
00:39:22.000 So it doesn't care about those institutions.
00:39:23.000 It doesn't care about the form of government, and it doesn't care about the rule of law.
00:39:27.000 And the other side does care about those things.
00:39:29.000 But they recognize that in order to stop the first side, they might have to do some things that break those rules.
00:39:35.000 And the right does not know how to do that.
00:39:37.000 And it doesn't know how far we can push the rules, how far we can bend them, what tactics we can use in order to send a message that the other side's lawlessness will not be tolerated.
00:39:47.000 There are some techniques that can be used, which would be a third option from versus rolling over versus civil war that can be deployed.
00:39:54.000 And some of them are now being deployed for the very first time.
00:39:57.000 We'll see what happens.
00:39:58.000 Well, one, for example, would be Jeff Clark's organization called Operation Oversight, which is functionally a lawfare campaign brought by the right.
00:40:06.000 So, what it is, is it's not using the spirit of the law.
00:40:09.000 For example, when the left tried to take John Eastman's law license, the former advisor to President Trump, they were technically complying with the letter of the law, but not complying with the spirit of law.
00:40:18.000 Same thing with the indictments of Donald Trump.
00:40:19.000 I wrote about these issues extensively.
00:40:21.000 We can do the same thing.
00:40:22.000 We can comply with the technical, literal meaning of the law and use the processes and the institutions to send a strong message to those who would engage in lawlessness.
00:40:31.000 That you personally will pay a price.
00:40:33.000 Let me make this more specific.
00:40:35.000 It is not enough to make general arguments.
00:40:38.000 We're not going to persuade people by general argumentation and effective reasoning.
00:40:41.000 That is not effective.
00:40:42.000 What is effective is communicating to Jack Smith personally that you personally will incur legal bills defending your legal license, which is what the National Civil Liberties Alliance recently did, brought a lawsuit against him on behalf of Marshall Blackburn in the state of Tennessee.
00:40:56.000 We can do things like that.
00:40:58.000 And if you impose specific costs on specific leftist activists, on them specifically, Not on the movement generally, but on specific human beings, then you can cut potentially the head off.
00:41:09.000 I would say two things to that.
00:41:10.000 We're not going to catch up to the smarter kids in class by going slower than they are.
00:41:14.000 Correct.
00:41:15.000 And you're not going to take out a murmuration of birds with a rifle.
00:41:19.000 So, what the left represents, I would describe they actually, this is really funny, we pulled up an organization called Murmuration.
00:41:25.000 They call themselves this.
00:41:27.000 They are a fluttering group of thousands of birds aimlessly fluttering about, just somehow watching each other and moving in the right directions.
00:41:34.000 This is why.
00:41:35.000 Their arguments are incongruous. 0.94
00:41:37.000 It's why one day women with a Y is the appropriate spelling, and then one day Wimixon with an X is the appropriate spelling. 0.97
00:41:43.000 Yes, but that said, let me give another example.
00:41:45.000 When Donald Trump cut off funding through USAID, the consequences were very real.
00:41:49.000 And so, here's a good example.
00:41:51.000 When you go to a county fair and you're supposed to guess on how much a cow weighs, and 10,000 people guess, it's a common misunderstanding that the median happens to be correct on that bell curve.
00:42:00.000 A lot of people bid too high, a lot of people bid too low, but in reality, what happens is most people do not know how much a cow weighs, and a few people know a lot, and those guys get it right.
00:42:09.000 That murmuration is not just some group mob organization that's emerging like spontaneous order.
00:42:14.000 What's actually happening is that there are a few heads to this hydra and they can be cut off.
00:42:19.000 They can be brought to justice.
00:42:21.000 They should have been prosecuted in the last two years.
00:42:23.000 I wrote about that extensively.
00:42:24.000 And then if you prosecute two or three people specifically, like for example, Jack Smith and others, that would send a very strong deterrence message.
00:42:32.000 I agree with you generally, but I don't think it's coordinated enough to act as a group.
00:42:37.000 The murmuration still requires the first bird to move in a particular direction.
00:42:41.000 Well, no, no.
00:42:42.000 The murmuration is all the birds snap respond to each other.
00:42:45.000 There is no one bird.
00:42:46.000 Well, there's right.
00:42:47.000 Whether or not the analogy holds up or not, I'll defer to you on the structure of the murmuration.
00:42:52.000 Why isn't Trump doing it?
00:42:53.000 Well, that's a totally separate question.
00:42:55.000 Now it's probably too late for him.
00:42:57.000 It may not be too late in 2028, but I don't see how the Republicans can possibly win 2028 without Texas. 0.75
00:43:02.000 Well, that's a good point, too.
00:43:03.000 Here's what I would say if you're Todd Blanch at the Department of Justice, your opportunities now to bring effective lawsuits or criminal cases, among other things, are limited.
00:43:11.000 And the reason they're limited is because you're seeing mass defections.
00:43:14.000 You know that you're going to be lawfared, and you know that the criminal litigation itself will take longer than two years in most cases, which means you're banking on JD Vance or Marco Rubio winning.
00:43:23.000 That's a career gamble that most people will not take.
00:43:25.000 Trump's going to prison January 21st, 2029.
00:43:29.000 The New York State criminal convictions are pending.
00:43:31.000 That's it.
00:43:31.000 They're just frozen until he's out of office.
00:43:33.000 There is absolutely the concern that the left would continue to subvert the American system of governance by seeing those prosecutions through.
00:43:41.000 Yeah, there's no doubt.
00:43:42.000 Well, that's a conviction.
00:43:43.000 I'm not disputing that.
00:43:43.000 Yeah, right.
00:43:44.000 Yeah.
00:43:45.000 You're talking about the check fraud.
00:43:46.000 The moment he's out, what's he going to do?
00:43:47.000 These are state level charges.
00:43:49.000 And the court's just like, we'll see.
00:43:51.000 There are other things that can be done, though.
00:43:54.000 So, for example, the full faith and credit clause of the United States Constitution requires that one state abide by the laws of another state when it comes to the enforcement of those laws in that other state.
00:44:02.000 So, if you're in Florida, for example, and New York issues a warrant for your arrest, then Florida's supposed to comply with it.
00:44:09.000 But there are intelligent ways that Governor DeSantis could tell Donald Trump, well, no, hear me out, though.
00:44:15.000 You asked, is there a third way?
00:44:17.000 I didn't say anything, but my reaction was visible.
00:44:20.000 Well, DeSantis is never going to protect Trump.
00:44:20.000 You're right.
00:44:23.000 Well, maybe the great state of Tennessee would come through.
00:44:26.000 And you don't have to explicitly.
00:44:27.000 It could be Byron Donald.
00:44:28.000 It doesn't have to be.
00:44:29.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:44:30.000 It could be Byron Donald.
00:44:31.000 So the specific tactic in that case would be come and get him.
00:44:35.000 Now, that means you're not delivering him up.
00:44:37.000 You're not using the state law enforcement authorities to deliver him to the border of Tennessee or to New York.
00:44:42.000 We talked about this when he was initially charged.
00:44:45.000 I'm not saying that this particular tactic would or would not work.
00:44:47.000 I'm saying there's a little bit of creative problem solving by the right.
00:44:53.000 10,000 different tactics that are asymmetrically useful, meaning they impose too large of a cost on the other side to follow through on.
00:44:59.000 We just don't do it.
00:45:00.000 They're not going to catch up to the head of the class by going slower than them.
00:45:04.000 When Donald Trump was indicted initially, I made that argument.
00:45:06.000 Ron DeSantis can say, come and take him.
00:45:10.000 Come and take him.
00:45:11.000 And Donald Trump could have responded with, you are free to come and serve me at my home.
00:45:15.000 And Ron DeSantis could have said, state police will not allow a fraudulent charge because there was no underlying crime to the falsification for an upgrade.
00:45:22.000 But this is five years later.
00:45:23.000 And so the question is, can we do that?
00:45:25.000 They did nothing.
00:45:26.000 Yeah, no doubt.
00:45:27.000 No doubt.
00:45:27.000 And it worked out all right.
00:45:29.000 It worked out all right.
00:45:30.000 It didn't.
00:45:30.000 Well, it didn't in 2024.
00:45:32.000 Trump's lawyers were arrested.
00:45:33.000 Yes, and they were given no protections.
00:45:35.000 I'm talking about now, 2024, the charges were dropped.
00:45:39.000 The prosecution in New York saw itself through.
00:45:41.000 But nevertheless, all things considered.
00:45:43.000 And those convictions are pending.
00:45:44.000 But today, more Americans are aware that the West is in crisis.
00:45:47.000 And so the question is not whether they did it in 2020, but will they do it now?
00:45:52.000 And the answer is not the question is just because they won't do it in every specific instance doesn't mean that they won't do it in many instances.
00:45:58.000 I think the reality is palpable, visible to literally everybody who understands going in politically.
00:46:04.000 The right will do nothing.
00:46:06.000 They've never, and they won't now.
00:46:08.000 And there's no reason.
00:46:09.000 The people who walked out of the Chappelle show wouldn't have done that five years ago.
00:46:14.000 That, to me, is the most stunning thing of this.
00:46:16.000 I disagree.
00:46:18.000 In my world, when I talk to what I call my normie friends who are right coded, but basically normie Americans, the Charlie Kirk murder was the one thing in the last 46 years that has broken through to them.
00:46:28.000 I say 46 years because I'm 46 years old.
00:46:31.000 Nothing else.
00:46:32.000 No arguments about the laughter curve or fiat currency or fractional reserve banking or abortion.
00:46:36.000 Nothing else broke through.
00:46:37.000 But Charlie Kirk's murder did.
00:46:39.000 And in my experience, maybe one or two handful, but there would not have been groups walking out.
00:46:43.000 And that's a positive sign.
00:46:44.000 I'm going to white pill on that.
00:46:46.000 We've got this story from Variety.
00:46:47.000 I've had it.
00:46:48.000 Podcast hosts Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan apologize for laughing at Charlie Kirk joke.
00:46:52.000 We regret it.
00:46:54.000 As of right now, Gina Milan says, Jennifer Welch says, I've had a podcast.
00:46:58.000 28 brands have pulled or ended their sponsorships.
00:47:02.000 Now, We can see that two of them may have already ended their sponsorships before.
00:47:07.000 But for those that are not familiar, Jennifer Welch on her show pulled up a tweet where someone said, We're going to dig Charlie Kirk up and do it again.
00:47:15.000 And then she just started laughing for like 30 seconds.
00:47:18.000 Then she claimed the guy who killed Charlie was a MAGA guy, which is a lie.
00:47:23.000 And since then, she has lost directly 26 sponsorships, according to this post.
00:47:30.000 Now, the last I saw from Colvet was it was like 22.
00:47:32.000 So I think 28 makes sense.
00:47:34.000 However, Cozy Earth and Quince, is that how you say that?
00:47:39.000 They said that they had their last ads with her months ago.
00:47:42.000 So they may not have ended their sponsorships.
00:47:44.000 They may have already been ended.
00:47:45.000 But that means there are 26 companies that have broken from her show because she mocked the death of Charlie Kirk.
00:47:52.000 So the question remains right now if we want to be optimists, and I am here's what I am hoping the Democrats realize that by winning the center in this midterm, they need to chill the F out, drop this stuff, condemn these people, and keep the Joe Rogans and the Shane Gillises because this is the kind of stuff that makes the middle freak out, like you were just saying. 0.51
00:48:15.000 I hope the Democrats take that lesson and say, Hey, if we chill out, we might win more elections and have more power and get more of what we want. 0.68
00:48:23.000 The problem is, then they get in 2028, and more of what they want is communism.
00:48:26.000 So I'm still hoping at least it chills things out for a little bit.
00:48:29.000 The question will be right now, with the direct ramifications against this lady mocking Charlie Kirk, will anything happen to Dave Chappelle?
00:48:39.000 Will he lose?
00:48:40.000 Will he lose shows?
00:48:41.000 There was a great post I saw.
00:48:41.000 He will lose business.
00:48:43.000 I saw a great post.
00:48:44.000 They said, Does Robert Kraft now come out and demand that all of his stadiums and all the arenas pull Dave Chappelle?
00:48:50.000 Is that how it works?
00:48:53.000 I think it is how it should work.
00:48:54.000 No, I mean, it's how it should work.
00:48:56.000 That particular thing is not going to happen, but Dave is going to lose business just like they should have and did lose business.
00:49:02.000 I think more people are, more big businessmen, tycoons are waking up to the fact that this is a winner takes all gambit.
00:49:08.000 And it wouldn't surprise me if you do start seeing some selective commercial enterprises like that say, no.
00:49:13.000 What do you mean by winner take all?
00:49:16.000 We are not having a discussion right now about what marginal tax rates should be.
00:49:20.000 I mean, this is not what this is. 0.98
00:49:22.000 Like the boomer politics of the last 50 years are.
00:49:24.000 Dead and buried. 0.94
00:49:24.000 That party on the right is never coming back. 0.94
00:49:28.000 This is a question about what does it mean to preserve the principles of the American founding?
00:49:31.000 What does it mean to be an American?
00:49:32.000 What does it mean to have a civilization?
00:49:34.000 What is the West about?
00:49:36.000 And if you cannot close your venue to a comedian who's subverting the West, then you're just not serious about winning. 0.80
00:49:42.000 I think a lot of people still think we need more civility in politics, which is nonsense, but a greater percentage of people today are now saying, holy crap, everything is at stake. 0.82
00:49:53.000 We need more duels in Aaron Burr in politics. 0.79
00:49:56.000 Well, I will say this no, I want more civility in politics.
00:49:59.000 I want, I am a liberal guy.
00:50:02.000 My politics on the political spectrum, we're talking about tax policy and marginal tax rates, would be liberal leaning.
00:50:08.000 But these conversations don't exist anymore because right and left no longer are about whether you want a higher or lower tax rate, certain trade policies.
00:50:17.000 I'm going to come out and say this. 0.66
00:50:18.000 There's a guy, there's a viral video where a roofer says he was MAGA and he switched and voted part of the blue wave because Trump was deporting his illegal day laborers.
00:50:27.000 There's a guy in Texas.
00:50:29.000 Is he in Texas?
00:50:30.000 Well, the one I saw was in Texas, but he was a business owner.
00:50:32.000 He's on the roof and he's got a beard.
00:50:35.000 And my point was when I was young and a liberal, that's the guy we wanted locked up.
00:50:42.000 The business owner who put hundreds of thousands of dollars in his pocket while exploiting day laborers illegally.
00:50:49.000 The left supports him now.
00:50:51.000 He votes for Democrats.
00:50:52.000 Yeah, the Teamsters and the labor unions are not on the left any longer.
00:50:55.000 I mean, they may not be on the right.
00:50:58.000 I mean, I don't know about the numbers.
00:50:58.000 They may as are.
00:50:59.000 Their leaders are.
00:51:00.000 Yes, I'm talking about the rank and file.
00:51:02.000 The left is behind things they should be opposed to, but for cult like reasons.
00:51:02.000 Correct.
00:51:09.000 So, well, why do you say they should be opposed to them?
00:51:12.000 That's not what today's left is.
00:51:13.000 Today's left is fundamentally revolutionary.
00:51:15.000 I'm saying if you go back to 2010, the left would have looked at that guy in the roof and said he's evil.
00:51:21.000 The left protests the World Trade Organization.
00:51:23.000 Right.
00:51:23.000 And then in the last few years, I'm talking about like the Occupy Wall Street types.
00:51:25.000 Yeah.
00:51:26.000 But this is not the Occupy Wall Street.
00:51:27.000 This is early 90s into 2015.
00:51:30.000 We're talking about 25 years of liberal policies that erased overnight because of Trump.
00:51:35.000 What I would say is, I agree with that in part.
00:51:37.000 There were still people on the left who thought, well, we want to protect American jobs, protect the blue collar worker back in the 1990s and early 2000s.
00:51:43.000 Right.
00:51:43.000 I'm saying they partially should oppose the guy on the roof.
00:51:43.000 That's what I'm talking about.
00:51:46.000 But the tendencies of the far left political movement of the country in 1998, 1999, what you'd call woke today, 2000, 2005, were already there.
00:51:55.000 I'm talking about the Democratic Party.
00:51:57.000 I'm talking about liberals.
00:51:58.000 No, I mean, they were there already.
00:51:59.000 Like the far left.
00:52:00.000 Look, look.
00:52:01.000 This is not the case for Bernie Sanders in 2016.
00:52:03.000 Hold on a second.
00:52:04.000 He said open borders is a Koch brothers proposal.
00:52:06.000 Okay, fine.
00:52:07.000 But Bernardine Dorn was a part of the Weather Othering Ground. 0.99
00:52:09.000 She's now a Northwestern law professor. 1.00
00:52:11.000 She was a coercive. 1.00
00:52:12.000 A coercive. 1.00
00:52:14.000 The coercive. 1.00
00:52:15.000 The coercive. 0.88
00:52:16.000 The coercive.
00:52:18.000 Everybody opposed open borders.
00:52:19.000 Bernie Sanders was our guy and he opposed open borders.
00:52:22.000 Now you've got a business owner exploiting laborers to put money in his pocket and the left is cheering for it.
00:52:27.000 There's no.
00:52:28.000 Well, let me phrase this a different way.
00:52:29.000 Let me come at it a different way.
00:52:30.000 I totally agree with you that the left is supporting open borders and would have been taking a different stance 50 years ago.
00:52:35.000 We might disagree on what the timeline is.
00:52:36.000 10 years ago?
00:52:37.000 I wouldn't agree with 10 years ago.
00:52:38.000 I've got to say it again.
00:52:39.000 Bernie Sanders.
00:52:40.000 I'm not saying there wasn't a guy on the left who would do this.
00:52:43.000 He's not the guy.
00:52:43.000 He was the candidate for the left.
00:52:44.000 Right, but one candidate.
00:52:46.000 Let me finish this point, though.
00:52:47.000 Well, let me finish this point, which is that.
00:52:47.000 The.
00:52:50.000 The thing that controls the left's movement today and 20 years ago is not policy like, how do we raise the minimum wage?
00:52:57.000 How do we help the blue collar guy?
00:52:58.000 That hasn't been true for 25 years, even if Bernie Sanders, who was an octogenarian then, was saying those things.
00:53:04.000 And now he's, of course, flipped his tune.
00:53:05.000 It was something else.
00:53:06.000 They were motivated, and this is to your cold point, they're motivated by something very different than argumentation and effective reasoning or by bettering the material standards of the Americans.
00:53:14.000 They're motivated by a psychological desire to, as Batman would say, watch the world burn.
00:53:20.000 Okay, that's what it comes down to.
00:53:22.000 If you can't contribute to a productive society, then it has to be.
00:53:25.000 You're referring to a faction that just came into power, that 10 years ago was not.
00:53:31.000 Well, I mean, you think they weren't in power in the 1960s?
00:53:34.000 I mean, the people that burned down the country in the Vietnam War were largely of the left.
00:53:39.000 Yes, they were.
00:53:39.000 The activists.
00:53:40.000 The activists in power, to your point.
00:53:43.000 Lyndon Johnson's Great Society program was one of the direct contributors to this thing.
00:53:46.000 Lyndon Johnson wasn't burning buildings.
00:53:48.000 The president himself, neither was Bernie Sanders.
00:53:50.000 But very clearly in the 1960s.
00:53:51.000 Indeed, that's my point.
00:53:52.000 Bernie Sanders opposed open borders.
00:53:55.000 Well, I think maybe we're talking past one another.
00:53:57.000 I don't disagree that Bernie Sanders is what I am saying is what I'm saying is that the corpus of ideas that leads to today's modern left, the one that wants to exist, Charlie, as a small faction outside of mainstream politics and has slowly taken over.
00:54:09.000 It existed in 1960s America and the Great Society program.
00:54:12.000 It sure did.
00:54:12.000 But, but, and it got the president of the United States elected.
00:54:15.000 If you think Lyndon Johnson was, was, you know, he wasn't elected the first time around.
00:54:18.000 But my point is the president of the United States, who was a Texas Democrat, by the way, after stealing the Senate seat, as Robert Carroll well documented, but Lyndon Johnson, what, What percentage of the country at that time was going to church on the weekends?
00:54:29.000 I don't know the answer to that question.
00:54:30.000 Like most.
00:54:30.000 Substantially more, but we're still talking tens of millions of Americans who bought.
00:54:34.000 I mean, these were the boomers in the 19th century.
00:54:35.000 So, again, yes, I agree with talking past each other because what I'm saying is the Democratic Party opposed these things 10 years ago.
00:54:40.000 Trump came in, and anything Trump is for, they're against.
00:54:43.000 Trump entered as a moderate, so they decided to go the extreme other direction.
00:54:46.000 If you're saying that Trump derangement syndrome is real, I agree.
00:54:49.000 Yeah.
00:54:49.000 And what I'm saying is the left wanted Bernie Sanders as their candidate who explicitly said open borders is a Koch brothers proposal.
00:54:56.000 And many people who wanted Bernie, myself included, abandoned the Democratic Party because they put in Hillary Clinton instead.
00:55:04.000 They cheated.
00:55:05.000 The people who run the Democratic Party, yes, the big business Republicans, if you were going to use the political divide of the 1990s, you would say that liberal activists had, you know, politics make strange bedfellows.
00:55:17.000 Big business Republicans were allied with liberal activists, right?
00:55:20.000 They both wanted, you know, certain things that made themselves political bedfellows.
00:55:25.000 Today, that's very different.
00:55:26.000 My point is that in the 1950s and 1960s, you could go back even earlier than this.
00:55:30.000 The body of ideas saw protecting the little guy, the blue collar worker, as an instrumental technique.
00:55:36.000 It was not something they believed in.
00:55:37.000 It was an instrumental technique to help overthrow the American order. 0.78
00:55:40.000 And this is the fruits of that. 0.68
00:55:42.000 The currency.
00:55:43.000 So, a small faction bubbled up and took over in the last 10 years.
00:55:46.000 Well, I'm just disagreeing on the time, but I agree with the principle.
00:55:49.000 Yeah, the point at which the curve became visible to most Americans was in the last 10 years.
00:55:55.000 But many of us were commenting on it 25 years ago.
00:55:57.000 I mean, I was having the same discussions in 2000.
00:56:00.000 Like, the left wasn't wrong because their marginal tax rates were too high or because the fractional reserve banking system was out of control.
00:56:06.000 Those were also true.
00:56:07.000 The Republicans were partly to blame for that. 0.96
00:56:09.000 But they were crazy because they envisioned a totalitarian panopticon. 0.84
00:56:13.000 When I was arguing against the left in 2000, I was using that terminology. 0.77
00:56:17.000 This is a cult.
00:56:18.000 I was using that terminology.
00:56:19.000 I used the phrase anti human death cult at least 10 years ago, and in writing, and probably longer than that, 20 years ago.
00:56:25.000 It's always been that way.
00:56:26.000 Yeah, that's my point the nature of leftism is fundamentally a psychological issue.
00:56:31.000 Now, the average voter, to your point, Tim, who votes Democratic, is thinking in the 1950s, 1960s, even the 1970s, 1980s, is seeing an opportunity to better their material standards.
00:56:40.000 They see the plutocrats at the top, they think they're being exploited.
00:56:43.000 They saw opening China with Nixon was bad for them.
00:56:46.000 We didn't bring about a liberal Republican democracy over there.
00:56:49.000 That totally failed.
00:56:50.000 They're right about all those things.
00:56:52.000 But that is not the corpus of thought leaders at the center of the Democratic Party.
00:56:55.000 It never has been, just like it wasn't with Lenin and Trotsky 120 years ago.
00:56:59.000 Who was it with Lenin and Trotsky?
00:57:01.000 It was Lenin and Trotsky.
00:57:02.000 They're the idea.
00:57:02.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:57:03.000 But it wasn't like most Russians were on board with the Trotsky idea of the communist revolution.
00:57:09.000 Yeah, nobody knew.
00:57:10.000 In fact, there were something like, what, 20,000 Bolsheviks in 1918.
00:57:13.000 And then by the end of the year, there were 300,000?
00:57:15.000 The word Menshevik means majority. 0.66
00:57:18.000 Bolshevik means minority.
00:57:20.000 I mean, the other way around, excuse me.
00:57:21.000 That's a good example of manipulating language to affect the public's perception of politics.
00:57:26.000 What people need to understand is that I believe there was what?
00:57:28.000 What was it?
00:57:29.000 Was it 100 million Russians in 1918?
00:57:32.000 I don't know the answer to that question.
00:57:33.000 Maybe it was 60.
00:57:34.000 Let's get the hard number.
00:57:35.000 At the most.
00:57:36.000 How many died?
00:57:37.000 TJ, it seems to me that the distinction between leftists who want to support the little guy and leftists who want to tear down institutions is a bit of an artificial distinction.
00:57:47.000 Yeah.
00:57:48.000 I think they go hand in hand.
00:57:49.000 Yeah, I want to make that clear.
00:57:50.000 And I think that there's different people who pursue You know, different groups of policies and maybe have different motivations.
00:57:57.000 I think it all comes from the same place.
00:57:59.000 I think just to wrap that point up real quick, sorry. 0.59
00:58:01.000 150 million Russians in 1918 and about 250,000 Bolsheviks instituted 70 years of a death cult. 0.58
00:58:09.000 Yep. 0.76
00:58:10.000 Yep.
00:58:10.000 Yep.
00:58:10.000 In the beginning of 1918, it was about 20,000.
00:58:13.000 And then rapidly throughout the year, they generated about up to 300,000.
00:58:17.000 And then because they had 300,000, they went and killed Tsar Nicholas, took over, and then destroyed the government. 0.76
00:58:22.000 And the reason that you thought that there were fewer Russians then is because you would imagine. 0.92
00:58:27.000 Like most nations, it had grown.
00:58:30.000 But it has not.
00:58:30.000 Right.
00:58:32.000 Oh, because they killed everybody.
00:58:33.000 Yeah, not 250 million Russians, but 250 million people died from communism.
00:58:38.000 There's less people today in Russia than there was in 1918.
00:58:41.000 Well, the same with Japan, probably.
00:58:42.000 To be fair, it's World War II.
00:58:44.000 There can't be too many nations who can make that claim.
00:58:47.000 Yeah.
00:58:47.000 Yeah.
00:58:48.000 China. 1.00
00:58:50.000 I mean, China's got a lot of people, but they killed a lot of people. 0.95
00:58:52.000 No, no, China has many more people than they did 100 years ago. 0.94
00:58:54.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:58:55.000 And they're killing a lot of people, too.
00:58:56.000 So, you know.
00:58:58.000 The, the, I mean, so what are we, what are we talking about here?
00:59:00.000 We're talking about this because, as I said, the West is deep in crisis.
00:59:03.000 And it's a strange thing to say that ideas matter so much.
00:59:07.000 But the ideas has, as Richard Weaver said, ideas have consequences.
00:59:11.000 And the fact is, if you, at some point, the software that's loaded in some person's head is so wildly different than the software that's loaded in another person's head that they have irreconcilable differences.
00:59:21.000 They disagree on first principles.
00:59:23.000 The problem that the United States of America faces right now is that those people are our countrymen. 0.92
00:59:27.000 And so we don't know what to do about that. 0.99
00:59:29.000 They know what they want to do about it. 1.00
00:59:31.000 They want to kill you. 0.98
00:59:32.000 That's what they did with Charlie Kirk. 0.97
00:59:33.000 No, I think a lot of them do.
00:59:33.000 I don't think they do now.
00:59:35.000 I disagree.
00:59:36.000 I think not every ordinary left wing voting Democrat wants to, but a lot of them do. 0.99
00:59:36.000 They want to kill you. 0.99
00:59:40.000 And they want you gone. 1.00
00:59:42.000 And their thought leaders definitely want you to be killed. 0.97
00:59:44.000 But they think that they want the institutions gone because they see the world differently. 0.99
00:59:47.000 No, they want to kill people.
00:59:48.000 That's very generous. 0.99
00:59:48.000 That's very generous. 0.99
00:59:49.000 They want to survive violence against you, depending on what you are in particular.
00:59:52.000 I don't think you can back that up.
00:59:53.000 Wait, wait, wait.
00:59:54.000 The tens of billions of dollars following the Floyd riots were not caused by rightists.
00:59:57.000 To Tim's point from half an hour ago, you'd be hard pressed in the last 60 years to identify a right wing riot.
01:00:03.000 I mean, I don't think you can name one other than January 6th, and there was like $38 billion.
01:00:07.000 No, but you are changing the context when you go from most leftists want to kill you.
01:00:12.000 No, but no, I'm just.
01:00:13.000 And I'm giving you room for hype.
01:00:15.000 No, no, I wouldn't mind.
01:00:17.000 That's a fair point. 0.99
01:00:18.000 But I would say they do want to kill you, yes. 0.98
01:00:20.000 Here's the way I would say it.
01:00:21.000 In America, if you break the population into three groups, and we were talking about this beforehand, 80% of the people are just concerned about their daily lives, right?
01:00:29.000 They've got to pay their mortgage, mow their lawn, raise their kids.
01:00:31.000 And when politics comes around, they think about it only because they want to identify what's in their interests and what's in their community's interests, and to a lesser degree, what's in the national interest.
01:00:39.000 And a lot of people vote left.
01:00:41.000 Right.
01:00:41.000 But the other 20% are split in two factions.
01:00:43.000 And both of those factions are fighting with one another. 0.88
01:00:45.000 To control the minds of the 80%.
01:00:48.000 One faction is saying we're going to use argumentation and effective reasoning. 0.99
01:00:51.000 That's the right.
01:00:52.000 They've been doing not, these are not hard and fast rules.
01:00:55.000 There are exceptions, of course, but that's not relevant.
01:00:57.000 They have lost in the last 60 years, even though they have won all the policy arguments.
01:01:02.000 Their arguments are connected, their premises are connected to their conclusions by logical reasoning.
01:01:06.000 The other side is not doing any of that.
01:01:08.000 Sometimes they mimic the language of argumentation and effective reasoning, but they are totally dominating the culture war.
01:01:14.000 Let's use a real example.
01:01:16.000 Let's use a real example.
01:01:17.000 Twitter in 2016, they implemented a rule sometime around here that said if you misgender somebody, they will ban you.
01:01:25.000 Now, I ended up having a conversation with the executives of Twitter over this rule where I called them biased.
01:01:30.000 They argued they were not.
01:01:32.000 And I said, if you ask someone what it means to misgender, a liberal will tell you if a trans person says it's she, her, and you use he, him, you're misgendering. 0.50
01:01:41.000 A conservative would tell you if a person is male and you say her, you've misgendered. 0.93
01:01:45.000 You've opted to ban half the country. 0.51
01:01:48.000 That is a bias.
01:01:49.000 That Leads us to one big question.
01:01:52.000 Why did Twitter decide that if you are on the other side of their moral worldview, they will strip your ability to speak?
01:02:00.000 It's actually quite simple.
01:02:01.000 It's a question, it's an analogy I love to state.
01:02:04.000 Would Carl Benjamin or Dave Rubin ever lead a violent, riotous mob with baseball bats and crowbars and guns to Twitter HQ?
01:02:13.000 No.
01:02:14.000 No, of course not.
01:02:16.000 Would Antifa and the far left?
01:02:18.000 In fact, they do this all the time.
01:02:18.000 Yes.
01:02:20.000 But to be fair, if you're an executive at Twitter, And you are staring at the screen and you're sweating because people are screaming.
01:02:28.000 You go, the guys on the right will never lift a finger, but the guys on the left are threatening to murder me.
01:02:33.000 Look at your ad rate up here.
01:02:34.000 This, or you don't have it up there now, but the point is the sponsors did withdraw. 0.99
01:02:38.000 That is to bring the white pill back just a little bit, because I tend to agree with you. 0.92
01:02:42.000 I'm only pointing out that just now, whether it's Jeff Clark's organization or pulling sponsors, we are realizing how to do the asymmetric warfare. 0.95
01:02:51.000 Sponsors pulling their advertising money.
01:02:53.000 Is something different.
01:02:54.000 And the problem now that needs to be understood is while this is a good sign, we should remain optimistic.
01:03:00.000 It needs to be stated that following the midterm elections, many big tech companies are now going to be split again.
01:03:06.000 And they're going to ask themselves, who is going to kill me and my family?
01:03:10.000 That being said, Stephen Miller was just made chief of staff.
01:03:13.000 They may still fear Todd Blanch and Donald Trump.
01:03:17.000 So now what's going to happen as the big tech companies pulled back from censorship recently, they may take their foot off the gas and just say, We're going to try and do nothing because if Trump, if the right loses in 2028, we're dead.
01:03:28.000 They're hedging their bets.
01:03:29.000 So they're going to have to back off.
01:03:31.000 When Trump won 24, all the big tech companies took their thumb off the censorship scale.
01:03:36.000 We saw it, well, with Elon buying X, Nick Vandes is back.
01:03:40.000 Alex Jones was permitted to certain platforms, still largely banned, but a lot of people got their accounts back.
01:03:46.000 These big tech companies saw the writing on the wall.
01:03:49.000 This right is, I'll put it like this.
01:03:51.000 In order for the right to win, they need a 67%.
01:03:55.000 In order for the left to win, they need 40%.
01:03:58.000 Right now, the right, with this, we are seeing the right has 70 plus percent of the population on their side as it pertains to Bud Light with Dylan Mulvaney.
01:04:08.000 Shane Gillis didn't like the cancellation. 0.98
01:04:10.000 But with this midterm election, everybody woke up and went, oh crap. 0.90
01:04:16.000 I think the left is bigger and more culturally relevant. 0.98
01:04:19.000 And the left certainly believes so.
01:04:21.000 So I'll put it like this If the election did not happen, or I should say the day before the election, nobody had in their mind that Donald Trump was cooked, that MAGA was over.
01:04:31.000 Despite the fact that the election results show us they are.
01:04:35.000 This means that every Republican who got Trump's endorsement danced around hippy skippy, happy that it got it.
01:04:41.000 And then they all lost.
01:04:43.000 Now this means that going to 28, Doesn't matter if the election results are fake, real, or otherwise, the perception is Trump is toxic.
01:04:49.000 Stay away from him.
01:04:50.000 That's going to ripple with advertisers.
01:04:52.000 It's going to ripple with politicians.
01:04:54.000 So, come 27, 28, when people are starting to run for office, they're going to say, I hate Trump.
01:05:00.000 I never supported the right.
01:05:01.000 Oh, they were terrible.
01:05:04.000 There's also the inverse proposal, the Fuentes proposal.
01:05:08.000 Many of the young men, we saw about a 20% bump in young men voting in this election, which is nuts.
01:05:15.000 And I do believe. 0.93
01:05:16.000 Not that Fuentes, Nick Fuentes, make that happen, but that Nick Fuentes is the avatar of the Gen Z anger that exists there and why they're voting. 0.78
01:05:25.000 So follow what Nick is saying. 0.95
01:05:28.000 I'm not suggesting, I'm not condemning nor condoning.
01:05:30.000 I'm saying the people who follow him are politically active and listening to what he has to say.
01:05:35.000 They voted Democrat, they helped that blue wave.
01:05:39.000 It's entirely possible that what we see now with Trump bringing in Stephen Miller is that Trump starts to believe maybe I should have gone harder and these young men would have voted for me instead.
01:05:51.000 The question everyone's going to ask themselves: Did Trump lose the midterms because he went too far or he didn't go far enough?
01:05:58.000 Because many Trump supporters are saying he didn't arrest enough people.
01:06:01.000 Depends on the context, because he definitely went too far when it comes to the war in Iran.
01:06:07.000 If that didn't happen, then a lot of people.
01:06:10.000 I got to disagree.
01:06:12.000 I think he's right.
01:06:13.000 I remember when it was 15 days.
01:06:14.000 I remember when the war was supposed to last two weeks.
01:06:16.000 The context matters, Tim.
01:06:18.000 The reason the Republican Party lost is because Donald Trump made so many bad decisions.
01:06:23.000 As it pertains to the Iran war, my argument stands.
01:06:26.000 Donald Trump either didn't go hard enough or went too hard.
01:06:31.000 And the question is should he have put boots on the ground and nuked it and ended that war in 45 minutes?
01:06:36.000 If Trump nuked it, you would have had six months of clear no war before the midterms.
01:06:41.000 Who knows what would have happened?
01:06:43.000 I'm not suggesting he should have.
01:06:44.000 And I don't think the war was good.
01:06:45.000 And I think it's evidenced by the election.
01:06:47.000 My point is there are people, there are neocons arguing Trump didn't do the job.
01:06:51.000 That's why they're rejecting him.
01:06:53.000 And that's wrong.
01:06:56.000 The idea that you could solve. Iran in two weeks or a month, that is a farce. 0.96
01:07:02.000 There is no way that even that.
01:07:06.000 He was riding high in the Nicolas Maduro kidnapping.
01:07:09.000 Even a nuclear bomb doesn't solve Iran, and the people that don't want war would have lost their minds if he'd have dropped the nuke in the midterms.
01:07:19.000 There's no arguing the merits of a ground invasion nuclear bomb are immaterial to the argument that some people say Trump went too far and some say he did not go far enough.
01:07:28.000 There are certainly neocons arguing that Trump's half measures, this is a fact. 0.52
01:07:32.000 Literally, the neocons, Mark Levin, Trump's negotiation attempts, the terrorist regime failed, and if he just went in and did the job, he would have won.
01:07:38.000 But he didn't lose the neocons' war.
01:07:42.000 I am not arguing the merits of the war.
01:07:44.000 I am arguing the political atmosphere and the people's arguments on the ground.
01:07:48.000 The point that we're debating is what would have changed the results in the midterms.
01:07:52.000 And he didn't lose the neocons' war.
01:07:54.000 And that's immaterial to what I'm saying.
01:07:56.000 I agree. 0.96
01:07:57.000 I don't think the war was a good idea. 0.97
01:07:58.000 I don't think it could have solved the problem. 1.00
01:07:59.000 We're in agreement.
01:08:00.000 My point is, there are neocons in media saying he didn't go hard enough.
01:08:04.000 There are libertarians saying he went too hard.
01:08:06.000 There are Groypers saying he went too hard, but he didn't go hard enough domestically.
01:08:10.000 The question people need to ask right now, what we are looking at for the Republican Party, is they're going to try and parse through whether they went too far or not far enough.
01:08:20.000 And the Mark Levin faction of the Republican Party, which exists, are going to suggest Trump didn't go far enough.
01:08:25.000 And the Groypers are going to say he went too far.
01:08:27.000 And the libertarians, he went too far. 0.77
01:08:28.000 I think it really depends on your ideology because if you're a Groyper, you probably think he didn't go too far in the immigration stuff, but If you look at how people actually voted, like he lost the Hispanic bloc that he won over.
01:08:39.000 And there's a few different things too.
01:08:40.000 Like a lot of pro life people think he was way too pro choice.
01:08:44.000 The immigration.
01:08:45.000 Yeah, no, you didn't finish your point.
01:08:47.000 No, there's like a few things that were really dividing, I think, his coalition.
01:08:47.000 I just want to.
01:08:51.000 A long time ago.
01:08:52.000 You could read into whatever you want, but one more thing.
01:08:54.000 He was elected president, and the party in power usually loses the midterms regardless.
01:09:00.000 Yeah, but this was a big loss.
01:09:02.000 But I think there is something to say too about people reading what they want into this loss.
01:09:06.000 You could blame it on the Epstein files.
01:09:07.000 You could blame it on the Iran war.
01:09:09.000 You could say ICE has been too aggressive and he had to fire Christy Noeman.
01:09:11.000 They looked really bad.
01:09:12.000 You could say that the party in power always loses in the midterms.
01:09:14.000 So it's really like pick your poison and put your money on it.
01:09:16.000 I think you are onto something, but I think it's not one or the other, right?
01:09:21.000 To reach 30% approval rating, that's an achievement.
01:09:26.000 You have to piss off a lot of different types of people.
01:09:29.000 It's not just, with all due respect, it's not just a matter of did he go too hard?
01:09:33.000 Did he not go hard enough?
01:09:34.000 No.
01:09:35.000 You have to get tariffs wrong.
01:09:37.000 You have to get the war wrong.
01:09:39.000 You have to get ICE wrong.
01:09:40.000 You have to get the Epstein files wrong.
01:09:42.000 You have to do a lot of work to reach 30. 0.54
01:09:46.000 Screwing up one or two of those things went too hard, didn't go hard enough.
01:09:49.000 That'll get you below 50.
01:09:51.000 Now think about that.
01:09:51.000 To get to 30, you've got to piss off this group, this group.
01:09:54.000 No, no, no.
01:09:54.000 Hold on.
01:09:55.000 Let's think about that.
01:09:55.000 How do you piss off everybody?
01:09:57.000 Because certainly one thing someone likes, one thing someone doesn't like, right?
01:09:59.000 Economy.
01:10:01.000 So, yes, Donald Trump's approval rating tracked one for one with gas prices.
01:10:04.000 Yeah.
01:10:05.000 You can look at the chart and look at the inverse gas prices for his approval rating.
01:10:08.000 But I will stress this.
01:10:09.000 The reason why.
01:10:10.000 Congress has a low approval rating is not because people don't like Congress.
01:10:13.000 It's because Congress, as a collective body, can't do anything.
01:10:16.000 But when you look at the polling for individual members of Congress, they poll very high.
01:10:19.000 Donald Trump pissing everybody off means there's an interesting spattering of he didn't go far enough and he went too far.
01:10:27.000 For instance, how do you piss off the immigration diehards and the anti immigration people?
01:10:34.000 The anti immigration people are mad because Trump wasn't doing mass deportations, and the pro immigration people were mad that he was too harsh on the ones he did do.
01:10:42.000 And the reality is.
01:10:42.000 So the question is, did he go hard enough or not hard enough?
01:10:45.000 So you've got these issues like legal and illegal immigration.
01:10:48.000 You've got a fiscal debt that's approaching $40 trillion.
01:10:52.000 And you've got other issues that, like those two, are existential.
01:10:55.000 The problem is, all of them face exactly the same problem, which is there is no way to solve them that commands a majority of the country.
01:11:02.000 And yet, you solve them with a good economy and with gas prices.
01:11:06.000 Well, hold on.
01:11:07.000 But all of this stuff that.
01:11:07.000 This is.
01:11:09.000 Hold on.
01:11:10.000 Just let me get this out.
01:11:11.000 All the stuff that we're talking about are all narrow.
01:11:14.000 Issues that are that there are some people that feel very strongly about.
01:11:19.000 None of these narrow issues become a big deal when people feel like they have to go to the economy. 0.99
01:11:25.000 There was a man who said exactly what you said about that, and it was Bill Clinton who said it's the economy stupid. 0.99
01:11:30.000 James Carver. 0.99
01:11:30.000 James Carver for Bill Clinton. 0.99
01:11:32.000 My point is, though, that that worked in 1990.
01:11:36.000 If the point that you're making is that all things governance wise are easier when everybody is wealthy, then yes, I agree.
01:11:42.000 But if the point is you wish to preserve the Western civilization and the American identity, then it's simply intractable. 0.97
01:11:48.000 And I have to agree, when we look at Gen Z men voting in an outsized proportion. 0.99
01:11:54.000 So you see a bell curve. 0.79
01:11:55.000 The young vote's low, the 40 year olds are high, and boomers go low. 0.75
01:11:59.000 We see a spike from 18 to 24, and then it goes down and then up.
01:12:03.000 This younger generation is hyper politically active, and it's not 100% because of gas prices.
01:12:08.000 It is about the West and America, which does tie to their economic standing.
01:12:12.000 But I want to make one point that I was trying to make before as it pertains to neocons.
01:12:17.000 Because people base their worldview on a view count publicly displayed, they do not understand what is happening around them.
01:12:25.000 Many people go online and they see a post with millions of views and they assume that must be popular opinion.
01:12:30.000 Well, I'm going to let all of you know right now Ben Shapiro does about a million per episode on his audio podcast.
01:12:36.000 People look at his YouTube channel and they say, wow, Ben Shapiro's views are gone.
01:12:42.000 You know, this like anti Iran, you know, pro war guy is like losing and nobody likes him.
01:12:47.000 Look at Tucker Carlson, he's through the roof.
01:12:49.000 And then when you actually see Ben Shapiro's numbers, which are published by the New York Times, you go, how the does he do 7 million podcast downloads per week?
01:12:57.000 That's massive.
01:12:59.000 Ben Shapiro's worldview may not persist on YouTube for whatever reason, but the dude is printing on the Spotify, Apple side of things.
01:13:08.000 For whatever reason, whoever's listening to that.
01:13:10.000 So do not discount the neoconservative vote and those who wanted Trump to blow Iran to smithereens with a nuclear bomb or whatever.
01:13:18.000 Well, I think a lot of people agree, even if you don't agree with going to war with Iran, that Iran should not have nuclear weapons.
01:13:25.000 And I think that was the point.
01:13:26.000 No, I don't care.
01:13:27.000 Well, that was the point I think the president was trying to focus on and asked if he would do it again.
01:13:31.000 No, I think that's right.
01:13:32.000 And I think it's useful.
01:13:33.000 For what it's worth, let me just add one point to this, which is nobody said this recently, which is this it is conceivable that he has succeeded, and the consequence was you lost the midterms catastrophically.
01:13:43.000 But it could be worth it.
01:13:44.000 It could be worth it.
01:13:45.000 And history will write that verdict, not us.
01:13:48.000 I don't believe for a second that what he did was about nuclear bombs.
01:13:51.000 I just do not.
01:13:52.000 Then what was it about?
01:13:53.000 Petrodollar.
01:13:55.000 You do not see an administration spend its entire existence securing oil around the world and then have one off-in-the-corner nuclear program.
01:14:02.000 Especially when Iran is threatening the petrodollar. 0.52
01:14:06.000 So strongly destabilizing the region. 0.57
01:14:08.000 And the deal for the United States as it pertains to Saudi Arabia and other countries, the petrodollar, is that we are the world police and we will shut down international terrorism to ensure your country can trade.
01:14:18.000 In exchange, you buy oil through our system.
01:14:21.000 Iran has violated that for generations.
01:14:23.000 And they were funding the militia groups, the Houthi rebels, they were bombing the Red Sea. 0.78
01:14:27.000 Saudi Arabia, shout out to our TimCast members who first pointed it out because I agree, likely goes to Trump and says, We can't ship anything out of Hormuz or the Red Sea because of Iran. 0.68
01:14:37.000 If you want a petrodollar deal to be re-upped because it's expired, you're going to go and blow them to smithereens.
01:14:42.000 That's why Donald Trump re-centered oil in the Gulf.
01:14:44.000 That's why he secured Panama.
01:14:45.000 That's why he took Venezuela.
01:14:47.000 That's why he cut off Cuba.
01:14:48.000 That's why he wants Greenland. 0.91
01:14:50.000 That's why he wants the Northwest Passage.
01:14:52.000 I do not think that when you look at the entire picture, this gigantic jigsaw puzzle, looking at a unicorn with one piece missing and you go, that piece missing is probably a nuclear bomb.
01:15:01.000 I'd be like, no, it's probably oil.
01:15:04.000 That's why Israel and Trump have said it.
01:15:07.000 I mean, oil, I'm sure, for sure.
01:15:08.000 Israel's obviously mad at Iran because Iran's funding of Hamas and rebel groups threatens Israel.
01:15:13.000 Israel then wants to go into attack.
01:15:16.000 The U.S. is an ally to Israel.
01:15:18.000 So, like Marco Rubio said, Israel was going to go in.
01:15:21.000 That was going to lead us, Iran was going to target us in response. 0.84
01:15:23.000 So, we weren't going in with them. 0.90
01:15:25.000 I think it's fair to say the U.S. was pressured to start this war because Israel wanted to go in. 0.94
01:15:29.000 I think Israel's interests are obvious. 0.51
01:15:31.000 And I think Donald Trump's interests are obvious when you look at the big picture of everything he did.
01:15:35.000 And I think the nuclear weapon thing is a lie because you can't go to the American people and say, we want to be the world police and want to secure an international trade by which we blow people up around the world so that we have more money than everyone else.
01:15:48.000 They're going to go, ah, not interested in that.
01:15:50.000 I agree with you, and I think that we've had a whole lot of discussion here that maybe wasn't meant to let President Trump off the hook, but in effect does.
01:16:00.000 The way that he went into the war was poorly thought out, poorly negotiated, poorly strategized, and at the end of the day, poorly executed.
01:16:10.000 It was an abject, complete, unmitigated failure.
01:16:14.000 I agree.
01:16:14.000 I don't understand why they didn't just stop.
01:16:16.000 And he said in the beginning, he gave us three or four different reasons.
01:16:19.000 He finally settled on the, to prevent them from having nuclear weapons.
01:16:23.000 Right now, he says it's irrelevant because they can't get a nuclear weapon, and that's why he's not going to bomb them more.
01:16:28.000 That's what he said, not what I said.
01:16:30.000 That's like his way of claiming victory and trying to not get into a pro that's right, but it's demonstrable evidence that he was lying to us.
01:16:40.000 I don't understand.
01:16:42.000 Say that again.
01:16:43.000 He says the other day, he says a couple days ago, they can't get a nuclear weapon, so maybe I won't bomb them anymore.
01:16:49.000 That was the reason why we launched the second phase of the war, according to him, so that they wouldn't be able to get nuclear weapons, right?
01:16:56.000 And now Pickaxe Mountain is still here, which he said is where they've moved into the nuclear program.
01:16:56.000 Okay.
01:16:56.000 Yeah.
01:17:00.000 The whole thing is a complete disaster.
01:17:02.000 And that's just one aspect of what's been going on.
01:17:05.000 I don't disagree with you, but it's not because he needs to finish the job, is what I think it comes down to.
01:17:10.000 Why?
01:17:11.000 He says he doesn't.
01:17:12.000 Why? 0.90
01:17:12.000 Because if he doesn't finish the job, then a wounded regime in Iran would try to rush to a bomb as their next logical step. 0.90
01:17:19.000 If you're the leader of your country. 0.82
01:17:20.000 What does finish the job?
01:17:21.000 What's unfinished about it?
01:17:23.000 They have to declare that they won't try to get nuclear weapons.
01:17:26.000 Okay.
01:17:27.000 Or we need to install a new regime that will say that they won't get nuclear weapons. 0.98
01:17:30.000 We.
01:17:31.000 We, the United States of America. 0.95
01:17:33.000 So we should be monitoring the situation and going and bomb them when they start to develop a nuclear warhead?
01:17:39.000 As they have been, as they already have nuclear facilities. 0.56
01:17:42.000 Doesn't that make more sense than bombing them for no good reason today?
01:17:45.000 Well, the enrichment is why we've been bombing them and their missile.
01:17:48.000 But Trump just told you that he knows that.
01:17:51.000 There's a lot of different things.
01:17:52.000 So when you try to shrink them up. 0.75
01:17:54.000 Let them have a nuclear weapon. 0.72
01:17:54.000 I don't care. 0.72
01:17:55.000 Why should I care?
01:17:56.000 Why?
01:17:56.000 Because we've been bombing Americans and they've funded terrorist proxies that have killed American troops in the last few years.
01:18:03.000 If Iran wants to launch a nuclear weapon, we'll nuke them.
01:18:06.000 Yeah, but that's way too far. 0.66
01:18:06.000 Right? 0.66
01:18:08.000 Go back to the 9 11, where it's like, you care about two cameras.
01:18:08.000 That's very bad.
01:18:11.000 Listen, listen, listen.
01:18:13.000 I feel like to the American people, the reason why this, I do not believe the war is the principal reason why Trump lost.
01:18:19.000 I think it's a factor.
01:18:20.000 I think the ancillary effects, gas and diesel, diesel shortages.
01:18:23.000 But to the people who pay attention to this, no one, no one believes it's about a nuclear weapon.
01:18:28.000 And I'm sick of the lies from the neocon pundits being like, they're going to get a nuke. 0.99
01:18:33.000 Shut up. 1.00
01:18:34.000 No, they're not. 1.00
01:18:35.000 There's a funny meme.
01:18:36.000 That shows papyrus paper from ancient Egypt that says Iran is 30 days away from a nuclear weapon.
01:18:41.000 Like, just spare me.
01:18:43.000 Dude, tell me it's about oil, and I'll go, oh, I guess.
01:18:45.000 Then what do you make of their nuclear facilities enriching uranium?
01:18:48.000 I don't care if they have nuclear weapons.
01:18:49.000 Okay, but they're trying to do it.
01:18:50.000 No, no, no, listen.
01:18:51.000 Yes, they're probably trying to have a nuke.
01:18:52.000 Okay.
01:18:53.000 But the justification that we have to go in is a preemptive war against the people that are enriching it.
01:18:58.000 If I can, can I have one second? 0.80
01:18:59.000 The next step is Saudi Arabia said they would develop nuclear weapons, Iran does. 0.76
01:19:03.000 So then what? 0.78
01:19:04.000 Saudi Arabia is going to get nuclear weapons. 0.99
01:19:06.000 Nuclear weapons will proliferate throughout all the Middle East, and a bunch of radical Muslim countries will have nuclear weapons. 0.98
01:19:11.000 I don't like the idea of that. 0.98
01:19:13.000 And maybe that makes me Islamophobic, but I don't think a bunch of radical Muslim countries should have nuclear weapons. 0.99
01:19:19.000 It was a dumb mistake to allow Pakistan to get that far. 0.99
01:19:22.000 And with the more countries that gain these nuclear weapons, a war will break out eventually between us and these countries. 0.98
01:19:28.000 And now they will have nukes.
01:19:29.000 And that will be a huge problem.
01:19:30.000 I agree.
01:19:30.000 The UK shouldn't have nukes.
01:19:31.000 Death to America.
01:19:33.000 The current regime was founded on anti Americanism of taking over our embassy in Iran and holding them hostage.
01:19:40.000 And I think people are willing to overlook it because we either forget about the history or it was too long ago to care.
01:19:47.000 I just don't believe that people can argue for mutually assured destruction, except.
01:19:54.000 See, I don't think mutually assured destruction is all encompassing. 0.90
01:19:56.000 I've made this argument as it pertains to Russia. 0.85
01:19:58.000 If Russia needs to, they'll use tactical bombs. 0.81
01:20:01.000 Strategic bombs, maybe not, but tactical bombs. 0.99
01:20:03.000 You don't think Iran would? 1.00
01:20:04.000 Iran absolutely would. 0.99
01:20:05.000 I think they'd use a dirty bomb. 1.00
01:20:06.000 I think they'd use a dirty bomb. 1.00
01:20:07.000 I think they'd use a dirty bomb. 0.98
01:20:08.000 I agree with you 100%. 0.97
01:20:09.000 We cannot allow Tehran to control a nuclear weapon. 0.90
01:20:12.000 Okay, but then how do we prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon? 0.65
01:20:16.000 You do what he did the first time, what President Trump did the first time.
01:20:19.000 You bomb, you create Pickaxe Mountain, right?
01:20:21.000 Okay, we have no weapons.
01:20:22.000 Wait, were you happy with the original bomb?
01:20:24.000 Wait, hold on, hold on.
01:20:25.000 Okay, hold on, hold on.
01:20:25.000 Wait, wait, wait.
01:20:26.000 Tell me how it was.
01:20:27.000 We have no weapons that can take out Pickaxe Mountain.
01:20:31.000 We don't need a weapon to take out Pickaxe Mountain.
01:20:33.000 How do you do it then?
01:20:34.000 We can't do whack a mole.
01:20:35.000 Hold on, hold on.
01:20:36.000 How do you stop nuclear enrichment under a mountain we cannot destroy?
01:20:41.000 I mean, we can blow it up with a nuke.
01:20:43.000 We can merve it.
01:20:44.000 That'd be insane.
01:20:45.000 Right.
01:20:46.000 But you can shut it down effectively.
01:20:48.000 How?
01:20:49.000 Yeah, you bury the entrances and the exits.
01:20:51.000 With.
01:20:52.000 Yeah, this is the inherent problem right now that even Trump has discussed.
01:20:58.000 We don't know how to do that.
01:21:00.000 It is a complex underground.
01:21:02.000 I don't think we could do it militarily.
01:21:04.000 I think we absolutely could do it militarily.
01:21:06.000 We'd end up playing whack a mole.
01:21:07.000 And I think the technology for creating. 0.96
01:21:09.000 We don't want to have to bomb Iran every six months when they open up a new nuclear facility. 0.77
01:21:13.000 But it's not six months, it's every six years. 0.99
01:21:15.000 And I'm okay with bombing them every six years. 0.97
01:21:17.000 Going to war with Iran every six years. 0.97
01:21:18.000 No, that sounds like, what is it, forever war? 0.84
01:21:20.000 That truly sounds like forever war.
01:21:22.000 You need to do it fast and quick, get rid of the regime. 0.54
01:21:24.000 And install a regime that agrees not to get nuclear weapons. 0.96
01:21:27.000 Get rid of the Iranian Revolution. 0.97
01:21:28.000 I know it's a dirty word, but we need to get rid of the current regime. 0.99
01:21:31.000 I don't think that's possible.
01:21:32.000 No, no, the regime is not 90 million people.
01:21:34.000 Stop.
01:21:34.000 They're 90 million Iranians.
01:21:36.000 I did not say that.
01:21:38.000 It is a country of 90 million people.
01:21:39.000 It is not Iraq and Afghanistan.
01:21:41.000 You are not bombing that country out of its politics.
01:21:44.000 It's not possible.
01:21:45.000 Not going to happen.
01:21:46.000 I think we could regime change the regime.
01:21:48.000 Not through airstrikes.
01:21:49.000 You need boots and arms.
01:21:49.000 Not at a reasonable cost.
01:21:51.000 And with 90 million people, you're talking like World War II levels of death.
01:21:55.000 Look, the only thing that the American people like less.
01:21:58.000 Or dislike as much as gas over $4 a gallon is American coffins coming home.
01:22:04.000 Yeah.
01:22:04.000 Well, I think the issue is here we're stuck between Iraq and a hard place.
01:22:07.000 It's we agree that, well, Tim doesn't, that they shouldn't be getting a nuclear weapon, but what's the way to actually stop that? 0.74
01:22:13.000 If they don't want to stop that, then we have to do it with our military.
01:22:15.000 Or we're doing it regularly with our military.
01:22:17.000 According to President Trump, no, Tim thinks he's lying.
01:22:20.000 Tim's probably right about that.
01:22:23.000 According to President Trump, he's already accomplished this.
01:22:25.000 No, but he obviously did it because he, Then he would have just said victory and we're done.
01:22:30.000 Which is what he's saying today, what he said yesterday.
01:22:32.000 I don't think he truly believes that.
01:22:33.000 I think he's just saying.
01:22:34.000 He's lying.
01:22:35.000 He's lying, yeah.
01:22:36.000 He's lying because he needs the out to be able to get out of the war without accomplishing all of his goals.
01:22:41.000 I'm going to say this.
01:22:42.000 There are military ways to prevent them from getting a nuclear warhead.
01:22:45.000 I disagree.
01:22:46.000 By changing the regime or by just playing whack a mole?
01:22:48.000 Yes.
01:22:49.000 I'll make a time.
01:22:50.000 Your term, not mine.
01:22:51.000 Your term, not mine.
01:22:52.000 You're mowing the grass, to use the Israeli terms.
01:22:54.000 No, no, no.
01:22:56.000 That's a very different concept.
01:22:58.000 It's essentially what you'd be doing. 0.88
01:22:59.000 The reason that we talk about Iran not getting a nuclear weapon is because we think that there's an us and a them.
01:23:05.000 But when we talk about an us, we're talking about something that we wish to share with our countrymen, some body of ideas. 0.94
01:23:10.000 And I think, set Iran aside. 0.94
01:23:13.000 The problem is the nation is bankrupt. 0.86
01:23:14.000 It's bankrupt morally.
01:23:15.000 It's bankrupt fiscally.
01:23:16.000 It has a debt that it cannot sustain.
01:23:18.000 It has an entitlement mentality that it cannot sustain.
01:23:20.000 It's fighting amongst itself.
01:23:21.000 And the reality is we simply cannot afford whether we have the money to do so or the ships, you know, the surface level ships to do so or not is beside the point.
01:23:29.000 What are we fighting for? 0.88
01:23:30.000 Why is it that we want to prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons?
01:23:34.000 Because we're the global oil.
01:23:35.000 But that's begging the question.
01:23:36.000 What is it that we are preserving?
01:23:39.000 And that is the question.
01:23:40.000 The petrodollars and American hegemony.
01:23:42.000 But hold on again, that's begging the question.
01:23:43.000 We're not just, we're not here in America just because we all agree that we want to get rich.
01:23:46.000 There's some body of ideas.
01:23:48.000 This incidentally is.
01:23:49.000 Be rich and prosper.
01:23:50.000 Hold on, that's not begging the question at all.
01:23:51.000 No, no.
01:23:52.000 If you say that the reason we want to win is because we want to win, then, unless you're saying that the reason we want to win is because we want to get rich.
01:23:57.000 Okay, so that's not what we're saying.
01:23:59.000 What we're saying is actually quite clear. 0.86
01:24:01.000 Iran is outside the petrodollar system and will not agree to our terms.
01:24:04.000 No, but why do we wish to preserve the petrodollar system?
01:24:08.000 Because it makes us rich for nothing.
01:24:09.000 Okay, so what I'm saying is.
01:24:11.000 The American people are wealthy without manufacturing.
01:24:14.000 And we are the world police in exchange.
01:24:15.000 What a way.
01:24:16.000 Listen, hold on.
01:24:18.000 The context that we're in, right?
01:24:20.000 The talk that we had already tonight is that we have really polarized politics.
01:24:24.000 We have economic problems.
01:24:26.000 We're not trying to get rich.
01:24:27.000 We're trying to prevent Americans from getting very poor.
01:24:31.000 And that's when revolution comes.
01:24:32.000 So let me.
01:24:33.000 I agree with that point, but I think it's part of a larger point, which is that there's something here that's worth preserving.
01:24:39.000 How is it that five of us can sit in a room?
01:24:41.000 I've never met you gentlemen before.
01:24:42.000 And we can have a shared body of cultural knowledge that we can just presuppose that the other people have.
01:24:47.000 That's what it means to be an American.
01:24:48.000 And that is the thing, or any nationality.
01:24:50.000 You have different cultures elsewhere.
01:24:52.000 Our particular culture has, you know, we could draw parameters around it.
01:24:56.000 We could say, this is what it means to be an American.
01:24:57.000 And most Americans share these views.
01:24:59.000 The problem is that is under assault.
01:25:01.000 That's the thing that you're trying to protect.
01:25:03.000 That's the thing that's at issue or at stake when you're saying, can Iran have or have not a bomb?
01:25:08.000 And the point that I'm making right now is discussing whether or not we can go to Iran sounds like an episode of the McNeil Leher News Hour from 1994. 0.69
01:25:16.000 It's simply not germane to the crisis that we face.
01:25:19.000 This is an existential crisis.
01:25:21.000 It is.
01:25:22.000 Our own countrymen do not agree that the United States that you know should continue to exist.
01:25:27.000 Okay, so we need to solve that problem.
01:25:29.000 My view is we need to solve that problem.
01:25:31.000 And now I will lay out the big picture for you.
01:25:34.000 The American people in 2024 said the first, the number one issue was the economy, the second was immigration.
01:25:40.000 Outraged over Joe Biden's immigration policies, they elected a Republican trifecta.
01:25:44.000 To be fair, the Supreme Court was already there, but they brought in the House and the Senate and the presidency.
01:25:48.000 Donald Trump said, Your wish is my command, and began deporting people.
01:25:51.000 He didn't even deport that many.
01:25:53.000 And instantly there was a backlash.
01:25:54.000 Guy on the roof comes out and says, Whoa, he deported my day laborers.
01:25:58.000 What everybody was mad about, they didn't want to face the truth.
01:26:01.000 I've given this point on this show, and I'll say it again for those that didn't hear it and for you.
01:26:06.000 We sell American made skateboards.
01:26:07.000 American skateboard factories are going out of business.
01:26:09.000 They're going to China.
01:26:10.000 They've been going to China for 20 years.
01:26:11.000 The skateboard industry is in collapse.
01:26:13.000 The pros are now working for DoorDash.
01:26:15.000 We told the people who watched this show, We only make our boards in America.
01:26:19.000 There is a notification saying there will be delays because of this.
01:26:22.000 And we got a decent percentage of our people demanding refunds because it took too long.
01:26:26.000 Tim, you're exactly right.
01:26:27.000 And I think at this point, we now need to say to Americans if you wish to preserve the identity of what it means to be an American, then you're going to have to sacrifice.
01:26:36.000 And the reality is that means that actual human beings in the United States, American citizens, are going to be.
01:26:36.000 And so this is.
01:26:41.000 So I'll finish the point that I was making.
01:26:43.000 Okay, go ahead.
01:26:43.000 That the reason, at least one of the presumed reasons, Donald Trump goes to war with Iran and nuclear weapons is a farce and it's laughable, is that the petrodollar.
01:26:52.000 Has expired.
01:26:53.000 Saudi Arabia is off the deal and threatening to go cut deals with China and Russia instead.
01:26:57.000 All of a sudden, we find ourselves shoring up the Gulf of America, renaming it the Gulf of America, taking out Venezuela, getting back our oil assets, isolating Cuba, pacifying the entire Caribbean, renegotiating Panama and the Northwest Passage.
01:27:10.000 It looks like Trump is setting contingencies for when the petrodollar falls because when it falls, the economy is going to fall 10x.
01:27:17.000 So if you thought it was bad enough that what we're dealing with this war and high gas prices, what happens to this country, regardless of your shared moral foundation, when gas goes to $15 a gallon?
01:27:28.000 Well, no, wait, hold on a second.
01:27:29.000 I would flip that exactly around and say, We can predict what will happen to the country based upon the scope of the shared moral foundation.
01:27:35.000 If we have a shared cultural consensus, then we will survive and we will succeed and rebuild if your dystopian future comes to fruition.
01:27:44.000 We have a long enough shared moral foundation for 100 years.
01:27:48.000 Well, I wouldn't say 100.
01:27:49.000 I would say since the Great Society really began eroding, but we're nitpicking the time again.
01:27:53.000 My point is exactly the same, though, which is the situation is dire.
01:27:56.000 If you do not share your first principles with your countrymen, then you do not have a country. 0.99
01:28:00.000 And if you are unwilling to do the hard things to preserve your country, like removing immigrants who don't belong here, Then you're not going to preserve your country. 0.94
01:28:07.000 And if you're unwilling to do simple things like deport people or cut your Social Security by 15%, then there's no reason to go to Iran. 0.96
01:28:14.000 If you're not willing to do the easy things, then you shouldn't be doing the hard things.
01:28:17.000 Let's put it like this You're in your house and your family is sick.
01:28:22.000 And you're saying, we all have shared values, but sooner or later we'll all be vomiting and we're going to die.
01:28:27.000 It doesn't matter what we believe or like, we're in trouble.
01:28:30.000 Yes, we could be healthy in the future.
01:28:33.000 Yes, we shouldn't have eaten the junk food in the past.
01:28:35.000 But right now we're in this predicament.
01:28:37.000 If we do nothing, we die.
01:28:39.000 I believe that Trump and his people are like, okay, well, if we don't re up the petrodollar, we die no matter what happens.
01:28:49.000 Because you're correct.
01:28:50.000 We do not have a shared moral foundation.
01:28:52.000 I agree.
01:28:52.000 Let me.
01:28:54.000 If we steal the antibiotics from our neighbor and bring it over, we will be cured and we can then start working towards exactly what you want.
01:29:01.000 You know, for what it's worth, the point that you're making is largely an Austrian economics point.
01:29:05.000 If your point is that once you are hooked on fiat currency, you can't just quit cold turkey, then yes, I agree.
01:29:10.000 That's a long term problem.
01:29:11.000 My argument is.
01:29:12.000 You're not going to get off.
01:29:12.000 I agree with you.
01:29:13.000 We have to have a shared moral foundation.
01:29:15.000 And if the economy collapses, the country is done.
01:29:15.000 Yes.
01:29:18.000 Of course, of course.
01:29:19.000 But there's other things that are heading in the wrong direction anyway.
01:29:24.000 Let me tie this to the Floyd riots quickly.
01:29:26.000 The reason that the prosecution of Derek Chauvin is relevant is because it is built on and connected to a lie.
01:29:32.000 When the trial of Derek Chauvin started, Al Sharpton said on the courthouse steps in a national press conference Derek Chauvin might be in the courtroom, but America is on trial.
01:29:40.000 Why did he say that?
01:29:41.000 He said it because.
01:29:42.000 There was a political movement, Black Lives Matter, Defund the Police, critical race theory, and all the rest, that was existing in the periphery of mainstream American discourse, and it used the prosecution and conviction of an innocent man to catapult itself into the mainstream. 0.76
01:29:57.000 All of that is a body of lies.
01:29:58.000 It's like a universal solvent that breaks apart the moral cohesiveness of the society.
01:30:03.000 So, you are correct.
01:30:04.000 We lack a morally cohesive society, we lack shared first principles.
01:30:08.000 What do we do to rebuild that?
01:30:10.000 We start telling the truth about obvious, big, symbolic lies.
01:30:13.000 Like, for example, Like what?
01:30:15.000 Methadone.
01:30:15.000 Methadone, yeah.
01:30:16.000 Well, what does methadone do?
01:30:17.000 Methadone is telling the truth about big symbolic issues.
01:30:21.000 The prosecution of four innocent men Thomas Lane, Alexander Kung, Tu Tao, and Derek Chauvin.
01:30:27.000 That is a lie, and it is a good lie for our purposes because it is a symbolic one that we can tell the truth about.
01:30:33.000 And if you can get more Americans to hold on to the horse.
01:30:36.000 Let me finish my point here.
01:30:37.000 I'm very close.
01:30:38.000 Which is if you can get Americans to start speaking the truth about symbolically large issues, Then they will begin to speak the truth about other issues that don't have symbolic significance.
01:30:48.000 And you will be voted out of office for two years, and the economy is bad.
01:30:52.000 In two years, but this is a generational fight.
01:30:54.000 Winning the Cultural War is a 40 year battle.
01:30:57.000 So, if every two years the economy must be strong for you to win that battle, what do you do?
01:31:02.000 Well, listen to me. 0.89
01:31:04.000 Here's the point I would make every single man who decides to have children with a woman is making a decision to make himself worse off today. 0.96
01:31:11.000 And yet we have 100 million years of Homo sapiens and 10,000 years of civilization.
01:31:15.000 I completely disagree with that.
01:31:16.000 Of fathers deciding they're going to sacrifice their financial well being today to make the future better.
01:31:22.000 The conservative movement in America is about not discounting the future, it's about incurring pain today.
01:31:28.000 To make the future better.
01:31:29.000 Yes, I object to that in the strongest of terms, sir.
01:31:34.000 Which part of it do you object to?
01:31:35.000 The fact that parents sacrifice their children?
01:31:36.000 The fact that their whole life is burdened by having children.
01:31:38.000 I said materially worse off than you.
01:31:40.000 No, it's not.
01:31:41.000 Yes, it is.
01:31:41.000 Of course it is.
01:31:42.000 I reject that premise outright.
01:31:42.000 Absolutely.
01:31:45.000 The Bob meme that.
01:31:46.000 Look at Social Security.
01:31:47.000 When parents separated from their children and relied on the state for their well being.
01:31:52.000 So if your argument is.
01:31:54.000 My argument is that if you wish to make the future better, you're going to have to sacrifice today, you're going to have to spend money.
01:32:00.000 To build a house.
01:32:01.000 This shouldn't be controversial.
01:32:02.000 If you want to make the future better, you sacrifice today.
01:32:05.000 That's the nature of all economics.
01:32:06.000 It's premised on that initial axiom.
01:32:09.000 So I will walk back halfway and say, I understand your point, but it is materially beneficial to have children.
01:32:20.000 To argue to some.
01:32:21.000 No, of course, yeah, because the future symbolization that I object to.
01:32:23.000 It's materially beneficial.
01:32:25.000 Every young man should be told the most important investment you can make for your betterment is having children.
01:32:30.000 Of course, I totally agree with you, but listen to the point that I'm making. 0.83
01:32:33.000 If I have $100,000 right now, I could say, I'm going to spend this on hookers and cocaine. 0.97
01:32:38.000 That is immediate appetite gratification.
01:32:40.000 Or I could say, I'm going to put it in the bank, put it in a $529.
01:32:43.000 I'm going to buy a small house.
01:32:44.000 I'm going to raise three kids.
01:32:45.000 And 20 years from now, the kids are going to be fantastic.
01:32:49.000 I'm going to have had a wonderful experience.
01:32:50.000 The money is going to be gone.
01:32:52.000 It's going to be converted from hookers and cocaine into the future productive citizens of America who share a universal ethos.
01:32:58.000 That is a sacrifice that requires.
01:32:59.000 That is not a sacrifice.
01:33:01.000 Okay, I think we're talking past one another.
01:33:03.000 I'm making a point that it is a financial sacrifice.
01:33:05.000 I think the semantics matter in this regard.
01:33:06.000 No, but my point is.
01:33:08.000 It's a financial sacrifice.
01:33:09.000 If you go to a young man and say sacrifice, they say, I have nothing to give.
01:33:14.000 No, no, when you say, they do, they do though.
01:33:16.000 Spend.
01:33:16.000 Yeah, I agree with you that, of course, having kids is a huge, is a huge side benefit.
01:33:22.000 But let me clarify.
01:33:23.000 We're talking about money today.
01:33:24.000 And I want to clarify what people need to understand financially.
01:33:28.000 When you buy a physical object, you are not losing your money.
01:33:32.000 The value is retained in your purchase.
01:33:34.000 No, no, that's for certain investment assets.
01:33:37.000 But most of the things we purchase are. 0.70
01:33:39.000 The hookers and the cocaine are used up immediately.
01:33:39.000 Consumables.
01:33:41.000 Their appreciation is 100% right now.
01:33:42.000 Culturally, it's extremely important to tell young men that everything you buy for your child is not lost in value.
01:33:48.000 Tim, I totally agree with you.
01:33:50.000 There seems to be some confusion here.
01:33:52.000 Yes, because I wholeheartedly agree that investing in your children is good for everybody.
01:33:56.000 I'm clarifying.
01:33:57.000 I understand what you're saying.
01:34:00.000 The argument I'm making is semantic.
01:34:02.000 Young men must hear that when they spend money on having a family, that is not a sacrifice, that is not even an investment.
01:34:09.000 The value is retained completely.
01:34:11.000 Okay, I'm not sure the.
01:34:14.000 If we're like measuring this in an accounting sense, of course the value is.
01:34:17.000 Men are looking for a purpose, and a purpose requires that meaning be connected to sacrifice in a way that is achievable, even if difficult.
01:34:25.000 Men want to lift heavy objects, figuratively and literally, and they want to raise families, and they want to be provided an opportunity to do that, and we should give it to them.
01:34:32.000 The point that I'm making is that a very narrow point, which is all of us, men and women, boomers, Gen Zers, are all going to have to make financial sacrifices in terms of how much Social Security we get, Medicare, Medicaid, what we want to do internationally with our military, et cetera.
01:34:47.000 If we wish to have a fighting chance to reunify ourselves, there is not a single hooker, crack, or nor amount of hookers that will ever bring you the kind of satisfaction of having a family.
01:34:58.000 I totally agree with you, and yet there are a lot of heroin hookers.
01:35:00.000 There's no sacrifice. 0.86
01:35:02.000 The problem is, and I'm going to make the point when you say to the world, young man, sacrifice for someone else, and they go, whoa, I'll rather do the hookers. 0.86
01:35:13.000 I am telling you, hookers are nowhere near as emotionally satisfying and gratifying. 0.78
01:35:18.000 As your child saying, Daddy, I love you. 1.00
01:35:20.000 I agree with you.
01:35:20.000 I'm fine with you.
01:35:21.000 Why tell them they're sacrificing anything?
01:35:23.000 I'm not sure exactly the point that you're making.
01:35:26.000 The point I am making.
01:35:27.000 I'm agreeing with you that you're saying it's not a sacrifice. 0.98
01:35:30.000 If I spent $100,000 on hookers and blow instead of my family, I would have to sacrifice for my family. 0.97
01:35:30.000 I'm saying it's a sacrifice. 0.97
01:35:36.000 No, no, no, those families are better than hookers. 1.00
01:35:38.000 I agree with that. 1.00
01:35:39.000 The point.
01:35:40.000 And that's not a sacrifice.
01:35:41.000 All of civilization can be understood on a spectrum, if you want to oversimplify things, of whether or not we're going to defer gratification or not.
01:35:48.000 Are we going to defer gratification or not?
01:35:50.000 This is built into the interest rate.
01:35:52.000 It's a discount value.
01:35:53.000 It presupposes planning.
01:35:54.000 If you wish to sacrifice today so that you could have something better in the future and along the way, then you must make a sacrifice.
01:36:02.000 You've got to give up something today.
01:36:05.000 If you want to have a fishing pole tomorrow to increase your fishing, productivity, then you've got to stop doing whatever you're doing right now and build the fishing pole.
01:36:12.000 My argument is it doesn't apply to family.
01:36:15.000 I think I agree with you.
01:36:17.000 I think what makes this issue with your use of sacrifice makes it sound like a waste almost.
01:36:21.000 No, no, no, no. 1.00
01:36:23.000 It's better to have hookers than kids. 1.00
01:36:26.000 That's a simple misunderstanding of the word sacrifice. 0.97
01:36:28.000 A sacrifice is the thing that we do all the time when we're willing to.
01:36:32.000 I am saying you have.
01:36:33.000 Abraham was willing to sacrifice.
01:36:34.000 You said.
01:36:35.000 He became Abraham after he was able to sacrifice his oldest son. 0.55
01:36:38.000 We completely agree on delayed gratification. 0.95
01:36:40.000 But the argument you made was that hookers feel better than family. 0.97
01:36:44.000 No, that wasn't the argument that I made. 0.88
01:36:45.000 What I said.
01:36:45.000 I made this argument with all due respect.
01:36:47.000 But that's why I took a semantic issue with how you frame it.
01:36:49.000 It was just an example.
01:36:50.000 It was just an example.
01:36:51.000 It doesn't apply, and my argument is semantic purely.
01:36:54.000 Okay, well, then we can move on.
01:36:56.000 I think everybody agrees that the family is.
01:36:59.000 I forgot exactly how you were phrasing it, but a lot of what you were talking about is how, like, the social fabric in our country is starting to diminish and, like, it's not starting to diminish.
01:36:59.000 I agree.
01:37:07.000 Or is diminishing.
01:37:08.000 It's largely eroded.
01:37:10.000 What do you think is the solution to help cure or prevent more erosion?
01:37:15.000 That is an important issue.
01:37:16.000 The first thing is, and this is, I'm going to give you a couple examples.
01:37:19.000 The first is a very tactical example in a day to day life.
01:37:22.000 Next time your friend brings up sports ball after making a political remark that assumes you agree, you have to call them out.
01:37:29.000 You have to say the hard things at the barbecue about, Whatever the issue happens to be, immigration or the proper role of men and women or race, because the truth is your guide, okay?
01:37:38.000 If you're unwilling to speak the truth and you're not going to preserve the civilization, that's one.
01:37:42.000 On the other end of the spectrum, we have to understand that we must control the media apparatus and all the communication channels that communicate ideas.
01:37:49.000 So, what are those?
01:37:50.000 They're online media like Tim's show, they're print media, they're the university system.
01:37:55.000 I mean, there's the phrase the long march through the institutions for a reason, which the left has done for 80 years now.
01:38:00.000 They control the university systems and they're indoctrinating your children.
01:38:04.000 So, what do we do?
01:38:05.000 We recognize that ideas have consequences, and that if we wish to shape the political discourse and preserve the nation and the West in general, then we've got to change the ideas that are in people's heads.
01:38:15.000 And we're not going to convince old adults to do that, but we can take tactical control of the institutions that shape ideas and expect to win in 25 years.
01:38:23.000 Now, the petrodollar might destroy us in two years.
01:38:25.000 Yes, sacrifice.
01:38:26.000 It might all be gone.
01:38:27.000 Universities are starting to go under because population is collapsing.
01:38:30.000 And they're starting to go under in part because they depended on U.S. government sureties for their time.
01:38:35.000 I don't think it's necessary to jumble up the political aspect and the cultural aspect here.
01:38:39.000 I think.
01:38:40.000 Well, I don't think I'm doing that.
01:38:41.000 I'm just saying win the battle of Idaho.
01:38:43.000 I think our table has, though.
01:38:44.000 I think our table has.
01:38:45.000 You know, we're talking about, well, you know, you got to win an election.
01:38:47.000 No, you don't.
01:38:48.000 You don't have to win an election.
01:38:50.000 In fact, I would argue that President Trump winning his election did not advance Western culture, did not advance conservative economics.
01:38:58.000 I think TJ would agree with you on that.
01:39:00.000 Like, to some degree, politics affects Western values.
01:39:05.000 It absolutely is.
01:39:06.000 And when we make a mistake of believing that winning an election is going to advance our culture, correct, that's not going to do it.
01:39:12.000 We're violating that principle.
01:39:14.000 You just end up advancing the culture, it feels like.
01:39:16.000 Almost more than the winners.
01:39:17.000 Like when Bernie Sanders lost, his impact on the culture and the far left was immense.
01:39:22.000 And it feels like he really helped.
01:39:25.000 Here's a white pill.
01:39:26.000 All of the best movies, Hollywood is absolutely dominated by the left, as you know, but they accidentally make a right wing movie every once in a while.
01:39:35.000 And those movies do better than any other movie.
01:39:36.000 And the reason is because they talk about men incurring incredible burdens.
01:39:40.000 And I'm using the word sacrifice.
01:39:42.000 Tim might prefer a different word, but I think we agree with what I'm getting at there.
01:39:45.000 And those movies resonate with the culture.
01:39:47.000 And we need to make more movies like that.
01:39:49.000 And we need to do the same thing in the universities and corpuses.
01:39:52.000 Can we give you an example?
01:39:52.000 Lord of the Rings and Batman, like the Dark Knight series.
01:39:56.000 Those movies are fundamentally about good and evil, right and wrong, better or worse, paying a price now in order to.
01:40:03.000 Use the word investment.
01:40:05.000 Investment.
01:40:05.000 To make an investment by enduring a hardship today in order to.
01:40:09.000 I have no problem with the word sacrifice.
01:40:11.000 Okay, well, I'm going to use investment now. 0.68
01:40:12.000 The reason I disagree was because you said sacrifice your hooker is because family later. 0.97
01:40:18.000 Okay, that's the hookers are better than family. 0.95
01:40:20.000 I okay, that was a bad analogy. 1.00
01:40:21.000 Yeah, I would say that was my only yeah, yeah, fine, that's fine.
01:40:24.000 So, the greatest fear of my life here now is fundamentally that we have the truth on our side.
01:40:29.000 We may have slight disagreements about what the best economic policy is, what the best marginal tax rate is.
01:40:34.000 But once we're willing, you asked me what to do.
01:40:37.000 We need to start speaking the truth about the hard issues like George Floyd.
01:40:41.000 That's just one symbolic issue.
01:40:42.000 What actually happened in that case, and if we can start doing that, do not want to open that Pandora's door again because they're scared, because they're afraid, and because the Overton window has.
01:40:50.000 Been set by the people who control the media institutions, and that's the left.
01:40:54.000 Truth is less relevant than power.
01:40:56.000 No, I totally agree.
01:40:57.000 Well, I wouldn't say it's, it's, they're both relevant.
01:40:59.000 If you, if you, yeah, power is relevant.
01:41:01.000 You're not going to speak truth when every radio station says George Floyd was an innocent man crying out for his mommy.
01:41:08.000 You walk in with someone and saying that's not true, they're going to say, How dare you?
01:41:10.000 Right.
01:41:11.000 TJ's point is that we might succeed in moving the Overton window a little bit with the truth, and power will follow the Overton window.
01:41:19.000 We need to take control of these institutions.
01:41:21.000 Right.
01:41:21.000 No, I, I, I, I absolutely disagree with that.
01:41:23.000 Let me give you the example of USAID.
01:41:25.000 Here's a tactical approach that would have tremendous ramifications if you simply pull the money away.
01:41:30.000 So, for example, if the United States government stops providing student loans, right?
01:41:35.000 Everyone says, oh, God, a terrible sacrifice I'd have to make.
01:41:37.000 I wouldn't be able to go to college.
01:41:38.000 No.
01:41:39.000 The price of university education would fall by what?
01:41:41.000 And that's a question of power, not truth.
01:41:43.000 I totally agree with you.
01:41:44.000 It's a tactical deployment of power that has a larger long term goal of giving us control of the institutions that convey the truth.
01:41:51.000 Agreed.
01:41:51.000 We've got to convey the truth.
01:41:52.000 We can't just be me standing on a street corner.
01:41:54.000 That's going to So today, power is more relevant than truth.
01:41:56.000 They're equally relevant.
01:41:58.000 The order of operations requires us to have the institutions.
01:42:00.000 It's not a neither or.
01:42:03.000 I think you're saying that for PR reasons.
01:42:07.000 You cannot go out and speak the truth when the institutions are controlled because you'll either be locked up or attacked or beaten.
01:42:14.000 You need to control the institutions so that you can then present the truth.
01:42:18.000 Thus, a strategy right now would prioritize power over truth.
01:42:22.000 I think you're.
01:42:23.000 But it's not to say law.
01:42:24.000 I don't disagree with that.
01:42:25.000 I don't say you have to control them, I think you just have to get a toehold in them, just like we did on X. Where you can begin to speak about the truth.
01:42:30.000 Yes.
01:42:31.000 You need access to these institutions.
01:42:34.000 If your point is you cannot change the world if you are powerless, then I agree.
01:42:37.000 And the funny thing is, the left argued this the whole time.
01:42:40.000 The late David Graeber, he hated the name, but the anarchist anthropologist, said, The left has adopted the fascistic ethos, there is no truth but power.
01:42:48.000 It's just power.
01:42:49.000 And they've been implementing that for decades, and they've gained the foothold right now.
01:42:53.000 And the right is going, If we just keep saying what's true, we'll win.
01:42:56.000 And they wonder why it is, they're going to jail.
01:42:58.000 But I'm not saying that.
01:42:59.000 I'm not saying we don't just speak the truth.
01:43:00.000 I'm saying we must speak the truth.
01:43:02.000 The larger problem is, to be fair, we don't actually speak the truth.
01:43:06.000 I have this litmus test that I use with some people that I know who are very intelligent, hardworking, right coded, honest.
01:43:12.000 Family men made the sacrifices, et cetera.
01:43:14.000 They're the types of people who you are glad are Americans. 1.00
01:43:17.000 If we go to a local Mexican restaurant and I say 75% of the workforce here needs to be deported, they tell me to lower my voice. 1.00
01:43:25.000 That's my litmus test. 1.00
01:43:26.000 If regular Americans. 0.99
01:43:27.000 Why would they say that?
01:43:27.000 Why though?
01:43:28.000 No, no, no, hold on, hold on, please. 0.84
01:43:28.000 It might spit in your. 0.84
01:43:29.000 Because this is the Overton window, and the left has said that making comments like that for reasons which are hard to articulate is outside the Overton window.
01:43:36.000 TJ, explore it yourself.
01:43:37.000 Why would you make the comment in the first place?
01:43:40.000 Precisely because I recognize where the Overton window boundary is, and I'm trying to renormalize the truth.
01:43:45.000 What does the comment mean?
01:43:46.000 The comment suggests that there's something that it means to be an American, in part because there's something that it means to not be an American.
01:43:52.000 And if you have to.
01:43:52.000 Who's that?
01:43:53.000 Well, for example, if you take 100.
01:43:56.000 No, I want to know about the comment.
01:43:58.000 Well, I'm sorry, I don't follow your question.
01:43:59.000 75% of the people need to be deported.
01:44:03.000 They're illegal aliens. 0.94
01:44:06.000 Is the question, why do illegal aliens need to be deported? 1.00
01:44:08.000 I take that as.
01:44:09.000 No, why would you think that 75% of a restaurant was illegal aliens?
01:44:12.000 Because I was in a Mexican restaurant observing people who can't speak English. 0.80
01:44:14.000 I'm using common sense. 1.00
01:44:16.000 If the suggestion is that I should use my judgment.
01:44:18.000 Yeah, they could be, but they're not.
01:44:19.000 So, I'll be honest.
01:44:20.000 Let's be realistic.
01:44:21.000 And incidentally, if the point is that it was 55% or 81% or 12%, the point still stands.
01:44:25.000 The objection from the litmus test, from the weather vane, is not that my percentage was wrong.
01:44:31.000 The objection is my percentage was largely correct, but it can't be spoken.
01:44:34.000 But your statement.
01:44:35.000 Because it's the truth and it's outside the overtone.
01:44:37.000 I would argue that's not even, that may be half the reason it can't be spoken.
01:44:40.000 The other reason is that's ineffective as a tool for change.
01:44:43.000 No, no, but I'm not using it as a tool for change.
01:44:45.000 What I'm using it as is to gauge whether we're winning or not.
01:44:47.000 And as long as a normal American thinks that you're saying something offensive, Then you're losing.
01:44:52.000 Well, there's also other reasons because people use comments like that to convey something that isn't true.
01:44:57.000 Like what?
01:45:00.000 There are those who say that the crime rate is greater among immigrants.
01:45:04.000 It's not true.
01:45:05.000 That's what people say it.
01:45:06.000 Well, it depends how you define it.
01:45:07.000 If you define it the way you want, then that's true, but that's not true.
01:45:10.000 I'll define it the way you want. 0.52
01:45:11.000 Well, then define it as people who came to the country illegally.
01:45:13.000 I don't want to get in that debate.
01:45:14.000 Then 100% are illegal.
01:45:15.000 No, no, no.
01:45:16.000 I'm writing the illegal answer.
01:45:17.000 I'm writing the illegal answer.
01:45:23.000 And that is what a lot of people react to.
01:45:26.000 Look, I don't want to get caught in semantics with things that are half true.
01:45:28.000 Absolutely not.
01:45:29.000 Clearly, the reason that people cringe at this statement is because it is outside the Overton window.
01:45:35.000 So, if I had made a slightly different statement like this, and I'm saying no, it's not always.
01:45:38.000 What I'm saying is that sometimes people react to the things that people say in that category.
01:45:43.000 Yes, yes, but we got to move past that if we wish to prevail.
01:45:45.000 What I'm saying is if you make, again, this is just a litmus test statement, if you make the statement that 75% of illegal aliens. 0.57
01:45:53.000 Okay, so now we're dealing with a class, a set that by definition is here illegally because they are illegal.
01:45:58.000 If you make the comment in public that 75% of illegal aliens need to be deported, then normal Americans will cringe because they don't like controversy, just like they don't like cops arresting people, just like they don't like seeing violence or aliens being deported by ICE in courtrooms. 0.54
01:46:13.000 They are afraid of the controversy.
01:46:14.000 They don't like controversy.
01:46:16.000 Most people are like that.
01:46:17.000 I'm naturally the opposite, I'm very pugnacious.
01:46:19.000 But the thing I say to them is listen, the men who stormed off the landing craft at Omaha Beach.
01:46:23.000 Understood what controversy was.
01:46:25.000 This is not a sacrifice speaking the truth in public.
01:46:27.000 That was a sacrifice.
01:46:28.000 And if we are not willing to do that.
01:46:30.000 I get it, but you just say that because you want to see where we're at.
01:46:32.000 Is that it?
01:46:33.000 No, I also, I mean, look, on this podcast right now, I'm making the point that we have to confront the fact that, for example, if we want to, it's not just that a weather van comment.
01:46:41.000 In that particular example, I was using it as a weather van.
01:46:43.000 I think you would agree with me if you made the comment in public, your normal American friends would probably cringe a little bit.
01:46:48.000 He's saying you need to speak the truth.
01:46:48.000 Maybe not.
01:46:49.000 You need to speak the truth.
01:46:50.000 You need to try to advance the movement.
01:46:52.000 So that's why he's trying to speak the truth.
01:46:53.000 I'm not going to your local Mexican restaurant to pick the facts.
01:46:56.000 I'm saying this. 0.96
01:46:59.000 If you are sitting down with a group of normies and there's a bunch of Mexican workers and you say, 75% of people here probably need to be deported. 1.00
01:47:06.000 You will push them to the left. 0.99
01:47:08.000 I don't think that's necessarily true.
01:47:10.000 It's probably really distasteful to go to a Mexican restaurant with your buddies. 1.00
01:47:10.000 It is largely correct. 1.00
01:47:14.000 There's a few important things in psychology that people need to know.
01:47:19.000 When you insult someone or deride someone, the average person associates that derision with you and not the target.
01:47:24.000 And the problem is, nothing about what I said there is an insult or a derision, or is derogatory.
01:47:28.000 Nothing about saying that people who are not Americans need to be deported.
01:47:31.000 I said people. 1.00
01:47:32.000 75% of people here should be deported. 0.98
01:47:34.000 You don't know whether they're Americans. 1.00
01:47:35.000 No, no, stop with that.
01:47:36.000 That's just not a serious counter argument.
01:47:38.000 Whether it is.
01:47:38.000 Again, that's nitpicking the percentage.
01:47:40.000 No, I am saying if you specifically and literally say to a group of normies, 75% of people here probably deserve to be deported, their immediate reaction is, you don't even know if they're illegal or not.
01:47:52.000 And you're just saying.
01:47:53.000 And they've been trained to say that by 30 or 40 or 50 years of indoctrination by left wing.
01:47:57.000 My point is.
01:47:58.000 Bro, there are people in this country who speak Spanish and they're American citizens.
01:48:00.000 Yeah, fine.
01:48:01.000 That's great.
01:48:02.000 They've been here for hundreds of years.
01:48:02.000 Of course.
01:48:04.000 There are people who are monolingual who've been here for hundreds of years?
01:48:07.000 There are families.
01:48:08.000 Well, first of all, now you're adding monolingual.
01:48:10.000 You said they were speaking Spanish.
01:48:11.000 That doesn't mean they only speak Spanish.
01:48:13.000 Okay, listen, do we wish to have a discussion about recreating the national ethos?
01:48:16.000 If so, then we're not going to get into it.
01:48:18.000 If your point is that there are people in the United States who speak Spanish who happen to be American citizens, then, like, granted, I get that.
01:48:24.000 Like, some of my closest friends.
01:48:26.000 The point I made was that if you tell normies abruptly and without qualification the guys speaking Spanish should be deported, you push them to the left.
01:48:34.000 And if you do the opposite of that, which is pretend that all of this is perfectly acceptable and normal, which has been the prevailing political wins for the last 50 years, then you lose your.
01:48:40.000 Country.
01:48:41.000 And that is not an answer either, but being wrong doesn't solve the problem.
01:48:45.000 Right, and nothing about what I said was wrong. 0.99
01:48:46.000 The point is illegal aliens need to be deported. 0.96
01:48:48.000 All the people in that, or a large portion of the people in that workforce are illegal. 0.97
01:48:52.000 By the way, this has nothing to do with whether these are good or bad people, or Christians or non Christians, or right or wrong. 0.74
01:48:57.000 It has simply to do with this. 0.53
01:48:59.000 This is the same argument that I might make to say there are no 100,000 strong communities of Americans in India, is the same argument that we can make. 0.68
01:49:06.000 I believe you are exemplifying why the right loses and the left wins right now. 0.82
01:49:10.000 Really?
01:49:11.000 The left understands.
01:49:12.000 You think we're too strong in making our points coherently?
01:49:14.000 I think that you functionally misunderstand the emotional reaction of human beings, and the left plays into it.
01:49:20.000 And the left understands.
01:49:21.000 And I agree with you that the left wing understands.
01:49:23.000 That when you say, listen, I'm not trying to be harsh, but these people came here illegally, the left goes, these people think about their children and how they would suffer.
01:49:34.000 And they go, you know what?
01:49:35.000 It is better that these people are allowed to stay than what you said because you are not arguing to them the way the left is.
01:49:41.000 Well, I'm not sure that I agree with you.
01:49:43.000 I agree with you that I'm not arguing the way the left is not engaged in our.
01:49:46.000 The left is engaged in manipulation.
01:49:47.000 Yeah, manipulation.
01:49:48.000 And that's why they're winning.
01:49:51.000 You're right.
01:49:52.000 An argument from justice will never defeat an argument from reason.
01:49:54.000 And that's why we're winning.
01:49:55.000 It will always defeat an argument from reason.
01:49:57.000 Correct.
01:49:57.000 Because the argument you're making is that we should be blunt and say the truth to people when that's not how people.
01:50:02.000 But the truth can also have a psychological component, which is that if you understand that the barbarians are inside the gate and you wish to preserve Western civilization and you wish to preserve the ideas that you take for granted because they're built into the fabric of our civilization, you can't even articulate what they are.
01:50:15.000 They're everywhere.
01:50:16.000 And Francis Fukuyama wrote a book about rape. 0.85
01:50:17.000 Liberal women are simultaneously complaining about rape and also defending rapists being released from prison. 0.97
01:50:23.000 They're not the Democratic Party. 0.50
01:50:24.000 Your argument doesn't apply.
01:50:26.000 But to them it does not.
01:50:27.000 But it does apply to some people.
01:50:27.000 That's correct.
01:50:29.000 And the majority of them are the voting bloc.
01:50:31.000 That's correct.
01:50:31.000 But I'm not trying to appeal to the Democratic Party.
01:50:32.000 Voting block, what I'm trying to appeal to is the normie American who's right coded, who doesn't understand fully but intuitively grasps that the West is under great crisis and is likely going to fail. 0.53
01:50:43.000 And what that means is that their sons and daughters will not be raised in the community that they want.
01:50:47.000 So, you're going to Fuentes?
01:50:50.000 TJ, what about the future of the GOP?
01:50:53.000 Well, I'm not, I don't have a question.
01:50:54.000 He's exactly as you're describing.
01:50:56.000 That's what he talks about.
01:50:57.000 That's what he does.
01:50:58.000 It is what he talks about.
01:50:59.000 And, TJ, if I can just jump in.
01:51:00.000 Sure.
01:51:01.000 I think one of the problems, Tim is exactly right, is that people have an emotional reaction to when certain things are said.
01:51:07.000 And I think you put your finger right on one.
01:51:12.000 It is true that a whole lot of people in that room are probably there illegally.
01:51:17.000 And our laws suggest that they need to go, right?
01:51:20.000 Well, they don't suggest.
01:51:21.000 Our laws dictate.
01:51:22.000 They're explicit.
01:51:23.000 Yeah.
01:51:23.000 Yeah.
01:51:24.000 That if you're here illegally, you should be deported. 1.00
01:51:27.000 That's the law. 1.00
01:51:28.000 And at least everyone at this table agrees with that.
01:51:30.000 If I can speak on your behalf. I have probably the most right wing opinion on immigration here.
01:51:36.000 Yeah, that may be. 0.98
01:51:38.000 I probably have a problem.
01:51:39.000 Here's the problem as I see it.
01:51:43.000 You conflate being an American with not being an immigrant.
01:51:47.000 You've done it three times.
01:51:48.000 No, no.
01:51:48.000 No, I don't.
01:51:48.000 You've done it three times at this table.
01:51:50.000 No, you're just saying that.
01:51:52.000 No, no, I heard you, and it was like all three times.
01:51:54.000 No, no, don't.
01:51:55.000 You're about to make an argument that all Americans were once immigrants.
01:51:58.000 Look, the point that I'm making here is simply.
01:52:00.000 I don't think that argument needs to be made.
01:52:02.000 The point is.
01:52:03.000 Well, that's what you're saying, functionally.
01:52:05.000 When you say conflate an illegal immigrant is not an American. 0.57
01:52:10.000 Right? 0.99
01:52:12.000 An illegal.
01:52:15.000 Sure, not an American citizen, that's right. 0.71
01:52:17.000 Not an American, period.
01:52:18.000 But I don't see the cultural difference. 0.86
01:52:20.000 You don't see the cultural difference between the Somalian from Mogadishu who comes to the United States, has never read the Declaration of Independence, doesn't know that it exists, and does not care, and has no plan to assimilate, and an American? 0.77
01:52:30.000 You don't understand the difference between that? 0.92
01:52:32.000 There's a huge difference between those two.
01:52:33.000 There is a huge difference, and the problem is that you're not.
01:52:37.000 You were accusing me of finishing your sentence incorrectly.
01:52:40.000 Now you're just making up the point.
01:52:41.000 So you're imagining I was going to say.
01:52:43.000 Okay, what is the point you're trying to make?
01:52:45.000 Culturally, there's not a big difference between someone who is here legally and illegally. 0.88
01:52:50.000 I disagree.
01:52:51.000 Depends on.
01:52:52.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.
01:52:52.000 There's a huge variation on that.
01:52:54.000 Yeah.
01:52:54.000 But there's a dramatic anarchy.
01:52:56.000 There's a huge variation among people who are here illegally. 1.00
01:53:00.000 You talk about like.
01:53:01.000 There's a huge variation. 0.99
01:53:02.000 People here are here illegally.
01:53:03.000 Were they born here when they were very young, or was it an illegal person who came here when they were 30? 0.94
01:53:07.000 No, no, no, but hold on, hold on.
01:53:09.000 There is a tremendous cultural distinction between a person who says, let me file the paperwork, let me be of you and do your rules, and other people who are like, I'll give you an example.
01:53:19.000 I was in an Uber in Tijuana, and the driver said, I put a ladder up to the wall.
01:53:25.000 The coyotes built a ladder so I could climb over the wall.
01:53:28.000 And then when the CBP came, I fell off a ladder and broke my leg.
01:53:31.000 But I'm going to get back in that country.
01:53:33.000 I don't care how.
01:53:34.000 And I said, That guy has a culture.
01:53:36.000 His culture is take what you want, sacrifice the rest.
01:53:40.000 The person who stands in line and says, I appreciate and thank you for everything is a tremendously different culture.
01:53:45.000 And there's one we want and one we don't. 0.99
01:53:46.000 I don't think you can back that up.
01:53:48.000 I don't think that that is objectively true.
01:53:50.000 But it's one for one. 0.98
01:53:50.000 It's true. 0.98
01:53:51.000 It's, I will violate your laws.
01:53:53.000 I will not violate your laws.
01:53:54.000 These are two distinct moral worldviews. 0.98
01:53:57.000 I think that if you and I were in Mexico, and by the way, I totally agree, again, if you're here illegally, you have to go. 1.00
01:54:04.000 No one is arguing alternatively. 0.88
01:54:07.000 If you and I were in Mexico, I would, and raising a family, I've raised a family, and you don't try to run that border, I don't think you're doing right by your family.
01:54:22.000 That's an appeal that the left wing makes, which is we're all sympathetic to.
01:54:26.000 I agree that these are fathers and mothers.
01:54:28.000 What I'm saying is, and some of them are good people, many of them are good people.
01:54:31.000 Maybe they're all fantastic people.
01:54:33.000 Let's assume, arguendo, that they're all fantastic people. 0.97
01:54:36.000 The problem is that they are not Americans.
01:54:38.000 And the body of ideas that exist.
01:54:40.000 But if they had the paperwork, they would be American.
01:54:42.000 Hold on one second. 0.99
01:54:42.000 No, they would not. 0.99
01:54:43.000 Snowflake doesn't blame its parents.
01:54:44.000 Hold on one second.
01:54:46.000 Today, a larger percentage of the population in the United States is foreign born than at any point in the last 150 years. 1.00
01:54:53.000 That cannot be sustained, whether it is illegal or legal. 1.00
01:54:57.000 The point is, there's a reason why we are the bastion of.
01:55:01.000 There's a set of ideas that most people could not even write down if you tried that govern how we interact with one another and make us wealthy and fantastically successful at all the things we do, whether it's scientific discovery and cultural reasons too.
01:55:13.000 Cultural reasons, yes.
01:55:14.000 This is our culture.
01:55:15.000 I'm defining what our culture is.
01:55:17.000 All the things that you can't even articulate because you just live in it. 1.00
01:55:19.000 And the Somalis don't have this.
01:55:21.000 They have a legal system. 1.00
01:55:22.000 They have something else. 1.00
01:55:23.000 And the point is, they're not reconcilable, especially when this population, the immigrant population, is too low. 0.99
01:55:28.000 You're saying the Somalis don't have it because they don't have the paperwork? 0.97
01:55:31.000 No, let me explain it to you, okay?
01:55:35.000 So, what we found in Minnesota is that Somalis followed all the rules to extract public funds and mail it back to Somalia. 0.96
01:55:42.000 That violates the spirit of our culture and laws. 1.00
01:55:45.000 And we were shocked to find how could they be setting up fake daycares and fake hospice care, taking hundreds of millions of dollars and then putting it in suitcases and flying to Somalia? 0.97
01:55:54.000 Because they have a distinct culture.
01:55:57.000 And what they said was, but I followed all the rules.
01:56:00.000 We say, okay, this has to stop because you're stealing from us.
01:56:02.000 They go, no, you told me if I filed these papers, I could do this.
01:56:06.000 And we go, yeah, but it's supposed to be to help.
01:56:08.000 That's not what it says.
01:56:09.000 We followed the rules. 1.00
01:56:10.000 See, those are two distinct cultures, legal or illegal. 1.00
01:56:12.000 The Somali community is doing this. 1.00
01:56:14.000 They're doing it in Ohio, they're doing it in Minnesota, and they're doing it in Washington.
01:56:17.000 And that has been clarified.
01:56:18.000 And that has been clarified. 1.00
01:56:19.000 Distinct immigrants, legal and illegal, in various parts of the United States who do not share our culture and are damaging our country. 1.00
01:56:26.000 Agreed. 1.00
01:56:26.000 Excellent clarification. 1.00
01:56:28.000 Excellent clarification.
01:56:30.000 We don't need to conflate this idea that American culture does not include a certain amount of immigration.
01:56:40.000 Because 40 minutes ago.
01:56:41.000 Well, you just said a double negative.
01:56:44.000 I don't think I've conflated anything.
01:56:45.000 What I'm saying is that there's a body of ideas that define what it means to be an American.
01:56:50.000 And one of those is immigration.
01:56:52.000 No, no, no.
01:56:53.000 No, because in 1804, we needed a ton of immigrants and we needed people who would assimilate to what it meant to be an American.
01:57:00.000 And largely the ocean served them. 0.77
01:57:01.000 So we became less American 100 years ago?
01:57:03.000 No, listen to me.
01:57:05.000 Well, I don't.
01:57:07.000 When you cross an ocean in 1804, you are indicating that you are a particular type of person, right?
01:57:12.000 There's a rugged individualism.
01:57:13.000 There's a willingness to follow certain types of rules.
01:57:15.000 There's a willingness to provide for oneself. 0.95
01:57:17.000 Probably you're escaping religion.
01:57:18.000 But I don't think that would pertain to.
01:57:20.000 No.
01:57:21.000 Someone who has a background in the world.
01:57:22.000 What does it mean to be an American in your opinion?
01:57:25.000 Because that's what I feel like.
01:57:26.000 Yeah, we're kind of.
01:57:27.000 So this veers into what does it mean to be an American?
01:57:30.000 Is it a creed?
01:57:30.000 Is it an idea?
01:57:31.000 Is it an ethnicity?
01:57:32.000 Is it some kind of.
01:57:33.000 Who can be a part of it?
01:57:34.000 Who can be exclusionary to some?
01:57:35.000 What I'm saying, let's set aside the theoretical argument of what it means to be an American to address the emergent reality, which is practically speaking, if.
01:57:46.000 20% of your population is foreign born, 30%, 40%. 0.89
01:57:50.000 At some point, you no longer have a culture that's strong enough to assimilate anybody. 0.96
01:57:54.000 The point that I'm making is instead, they'll be swamped and you'll become a polyglot, Balkanized community, just like Yugoslavia. 0.96
01:58:00.000 That's why you call it the Balkans. 0.96
01:58:01.000 Okay.
01:58:01.000 So at what point do you cross that threshold and say, I don't know exactly what it means to be an American?
01:58:07.000 I think I could put together a pretty good definition, but let's say I don't know exactly what it means.
01:58:11.000 The citizenship of these, whatever.
01:58:12.000 How much can you replace before it's not?
01:58:14.000 Right, before it's not.
01:58:15.000 You can add water to wine and at some point it's no longer wine. 0.99
01:58:17.000 And what I'm saying now is, In 1850, this wasn't a problem because the percentage of the population that was foreign born was very low, and today it's very high. 0.99
01:58:25.000 And if we had an immigration pause for 75 years, then we can revisit the issue.
01:58:30.000 This has nothing to do with.
01:58:30.000 That's nice and philosophical, but I feel like you're still disappointed.
01:58:33.000 That's very clear.
01:58:34.000 What does it mean to be an American?
01:58:35.000 Okay, what does it mean?
01:58:36.000 I mean, the easiest definition is that you accept the premise of the Declaration of Independence, that we hold these truths to the truth. 1.00
01:58:40.000 So if a Somali dude comes over and accepts, you know, all the premises in the Declaration of Independence, poof, therefore, no. 1.00
01:58:45.000 But that's begging the question. 1.00
01:58:46.000 You can't just poof do that, right?
01:58:49.000 It's just like saying, I can't go to Somalia and poof understand that. 1.00
01:58:51.000 So when a Somali can study American civilization, I know more than. 1.00
01:58:55.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on. 1.00
01:58:56.000 No, I think the thing is, you have to be here a certain number of years before you get to the bottom of it.
01:59:01.000 What does that mean?
01:59:02.000 I'm going to say this.
01:59:03.000 There's a guy in Somalia who watches Family Guy every single day.
01:59:06.000 He grew up watching Simpsons, married with children, and Family Guy, and he dreams to one day come to the United States.
01:59:11.000 He works really hard.
01:59:12.000 He saves up his money and he studies.
01:59:14.000 He applies.
01:59:14.000 It takes three years, but they finally say you're welcome to come.
01:59:17.000 He speaks fluent English.
01:59:19.000 He's read the Constitution front to back and knows more about it than everybody else in this country, and he knows all the presidents.
01:59:23.000 That guy's American.
01:59:25.000 That's an American.
01:59:26.000 Yeah, I agree with that.
01:59:26.000 Is that an American?
01:59:27.000 He shows up and says, I followed your rules. 0.78
01:59:29.000 I followed your laws.
01:59:30.000 I love you.
01:59:31.000 I love everything you stand for.
01:59:32.000 You could make that point and also say that we can't have any immigration for 10, 20, 30 years.
01:59:37.000 I will just say this. 1.00
01:59:37.000 Agreed, agreed. 1.00
01:59:38.000 Yes, and I will say this.
01:59:39.000 But do you agree that those two points can exist?
01:59:41.000 Yes, yes.
01:59:42.000 You give me every.
01:59:42.000 My point is, no.
01:59:44.000 No.
01:59:45.000 No.
01:59:45.000 You could possibly justify a 30 year moratorium on immigration.
01:59:48.000 Because you need cheap labor for the agricultural companies?
01:59:50.000 No, because much of our American culture is based on the idea that people had to struggle to get here.
01:59:56.000 Immigration is fundamental to the American culture.
01:59:59.000 I totally disagree.
02:00:00.000 Is there a limit to how much immigration we should have? 0.96
02:00:02.000 Yes. 0.99
02:00:03.000 How much is it?
02:00:04.000 I think you have to pace it according to how quickly we can.
02:00:07.000 That's the point that MJ was saying.
02:00:09.000 That's what he's saying.
02:00:10.000 No, it's not.
02:00:10.000 You're saying that 30 years.
02:00:12.000 You have to pace it according to the percentage of the population that's foreign born. 1.00
02:00:16.000 It's too high. 1.00
02:00:17.000 That's exactly the point that I'm making. 1.00
02:00:18.000 You cannot justify a 30 year moratorium on the foreign born population being too high. 1.00
02:00:24.000 Why not? 1.00
02:00:24.000 There's precedent for the rate of 15.4%. 1.00
02:00:27.000 Yes, we have done it before.
02:00:29.000 And it was a bad idea.
02:00:30.000 I think I said 15.4%.
02:00:31.000 I disagreed.
02:00:32.000 We did it for you. 0.98
02:00:33.000 What could simply make an immigration. 0.99
02:00:35.000 Moratorium a good idea? 0.62
02:00:37.000 All the reasons we just said, which is preserving the moral cohesiveness of the country. 1.00
02:00:41.000 So it's reestablishing all the foreign born peoples.
02:00:43.000 So that everybody in this country can learn how to speak. 0.81
02:00:45.000 Do you see Americanism as being distinct from immigration?
02:00:50.000 What I'm saying is that if you look at. 0.67
02:00:52.000 That's a yes or no question.
02:00:53.000 No, it wasn't a question at all.
02:00:54.000 You just made a declaration.
02:00:55.000 Okay, so if you think that America does not.
02:00:59.000 There was an argument on X a few months ago about whether this is a creedal nation and maybe it's an ethnic nation.
02:01:05.000 It's obviously both.
02:01:06.000 There's ethnic components to America and there's ideals.
02:01:08.000 There are ethnic components to America.
02:01:11.000 Do you don't think the three million people here in 1776 were of all polyglot ethnicities or largely two ethnicities?
02:01:16.000 I mean, I don't understand what the issue is.
02:01:18.000 Like, I'm not saying that you have to be a particular ethnicity.
02:01:20.000 Let's not do the left wing ad hominem attack.
02:01:22.000 What I'm saying is Don't accuse me of it.
02:01:25.000 Any political body has to have a shared political idea, it has to have some level of shared principles.
02:01:32.000 It could be a religion.
02:01:33.000 That's the argument for Credal.
02:01:34.000 Okay, that's the argument for Credal.
02:01:36.000 And that is the argument that is largely destroyed by rampant illegal immigration and legal immigration when there's no.
02:01:43.000 Don't make that up.
02:01:44.000 Oh, I absolutely can.
02:01:45.000 I'm just opening my eyes.
02:01:47.000 I think actually that's the academic view.
02:01:49.000 I mean, if you have a heterogeneous slap, you don't have an issue.
02:01:53.000 What's the argument for there being an ethnic definition of America? 0.52
02:01:58.000 I'm simply observing that Americans in history were largely of one ethnicity, then it expanded with the introduction of the Chinese, and then slaves were made citizens.
02:02:05.000 And then the Anglo Saxon Protestants?
02:02:06.000 Well, and also Dutch, but then the slaves were added as citizens in 1865, and then Irish and Italians. 0.54
02:02:12.000 But the point is, all of this happened gradually. 0.99
02:02:15.000 You're struggling a couple of Jews. 0.96
02:02:16.000 Let's make the argument an extremist. 0.95
02:02:18.000 If you brought 150 million Somalians who were Muslim or Islamic and believed in Sharia law, do you think that the United States would exist the day after that? 0.92
02:02:28.000 Of course not. 0.99
02:02:28.000 Of course not. 0.99
02:02:29.000 So once you accept that premise, you've conceded the argument.
02:02:32.000 The only question is, what is the appropriate number?
02:02:33.000 And my contention is, it's less than we have.
02:02:36.000 Well, that's what I was asking you. 1.00
02:02:37.000 What is the appropriate number of immigrants before we say, okay, it's time to take a break? 1.00
02:02:42.000 Well, I agree with you, the implication, which is it's almost impossible to put a number on it. 1.00
02:02:47.000 I want to.
02:02:49.000 Guys, we got to go to the uncensored portion of the show.
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02:02:52.000 That was the censored portion?
02:02:53.000 I'm going to explain to you the ethnic component of nation.
02:02:56.000 I mean that sincerely.
02:02:57.000 We'll do it on the uncensored portion of the show as we're going to it right now.
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02:05:12.000 I want to say it now because I don't feel like waiting around and we got to get callers in.
02:05:16.000 But, you know, Mike's got a fairly lefty libertarian, you know, left culturally.
02:05:22.000 There is, Eli, did you know there's an ethnic component to nation?
02:05:26.000 Of course.
02:05:26.000 Of course there is.
02:05:27.000 And Phil?
02:05:28.000 Yes.
02:05:29.000 Do you agree?
02:05:30.000 Yeah, it starts with.
02:05:31.000 I'm going to explain it to everybody academically and scientifically.
02:05:34.000 You guys ready?
02:05:35.000 Yep. 0.94
02:05:36.000 What's the average height of a Scandinavian?
02:05:39.000 Seven foot or something like that. 0.99
02:05:40.000 Everybody looks like that.
02:05:41.000 Do you want someone to Google it?
02:05:43.000 Average height of a Scandinavian.
02:05:45.000 Yep. 1.00
02:05:48.000 I would just gas and say like six. 1.00
02:05:50.000 Cardi, you look kind of Scandinavian. 0.86
02:05:52.000 It might be six feet.
02:05:54.000 It's probably tall, right? 1.00
02:05:56.000 Let's say Swedes.
02:05:57.000 Average for men is 5'11. 0.67
02:06:00.000 And women is 5'6. 0.90
02:06:03.000 Really?
02:06:04.000 Actually, not as tall as people think.
02:06:06.000 And that's just Scandinavia in general?
02:06:07.000 Yeah, it says, yeah, no average height in Scandinavia. 0.61
02:06:12.000 And then do me a favor and look up the average height of a Thai person.
02:06:17.000 You know, I'll do Thai person right now. 1.00
02:06:19.000 No, really short balloon. 1.00
02:06:20.000 Average height of Thai people. 0.99
02:06:22.000 Average height in Sweden is 5'11 to 5'11 for men and 5'7 for women.
02:06:29.000 But I think that the average height in Thailand for men is 5'7 and for women is 5'2.
02:06:35.000 Now, this matters because I want y'all to think about this scenario.
02:06:39.000 Your average Swede encounters a gray wolf, your average Thai person encounters a gray wolf.
02:06:44.000 Now, don't get me wrong, like, Thai people probably aren't counting gray wolves in Thailand. 0.67
02:06:47.000 My point is, There is a visible function of your genetic background.
02:06:56.000 And the easiest thing for people to recognize is height, which means there are subtle differences in cultural development and laws based on the genetic structure of a people.
02:07:07.000 This means the culture of Scandinavia will be informed differently.
02:07:11.000 I'll give you a better example Japanese people, so I'm told and could be wrong, have gut bacteria that can better break down cellulose.
02:07:20.000 I happen to be Japanese, so I'm allowed to say that whether it's right or wrong.
02:07:23.000 But let me double check that Japanese gut bacteria cellulose.
02:07:30.000 Let's see.
02:07:32.000 Yes, indeed.
02:07:35.000 Japanese people.
02:07:37.000 So I'm explaining ethnicity and its ties to nation.
02:07:41.000 And the first example I just gave is the average height in Scandinavia for a man is 5'11.
02:07:46.000 The average height in Thailand is 5'7.
02:07:48.000 If these two individuals encountered a dangerous wild animal of the same type, they're going to have two different reactions to it based on their average height. 0.68
02:07:55.000 A Scandinavian person will be less threatened by a small predator than a Thai person would be. 0.50
02:07:59.000 Now, a Thai man may not be all that threatened by, say, a badger, but a Scandinavian on average will be less threatened. 0.74
02:08:05.000 This will inform their laws and their culture.
02:08:07.000 But a better example is Japan.
02:08:09.000 Japanese people have gut bacteria that can break down cellulose, hemicellulose, and pectin better than other peoples, which means their culture will enjoy certain foods that other cultures cannot. 0.94
02:08:19.000 So when Somalis move to Japan, which they may be doing soon, they're not going to be able to eat traditional Japanese food. 0.98
02:08:26.000 This will functionally change the culture of Japan if the population of Somalis grows larger. 0.98
02:08:31.000 So, yes, there's absolutely an ethnic component.
02:08:33.000 We can also take a look at theories on the blood type diet, which some say is not necessarily true.
02:08:39.000 But are you familiar with the blood type diet?
02:08:41.000 There are researchers that try.
02:08:43.000 I've heard the theory.
02:08:44.000 I'm not.
02:08:45.000 So, there are theories that type O, being the most common blood type, dates back to a time when humans were eating fresh fish and wild, you know, foraging for wild vegetables.
02:08:58.000 As we became agrarian and developed animal husbandry, you end up with type A and type B.
02:09:04.000 I believe type B is dairy based with milk and fats, and type A is meat based from chickens and eggs and cow meat and things like this.
02:09:13.000 And then you get the modern diet, which is AB, which is we eat all sorts of wacky junk. 0.97
02:09:18.000 The point ultimately is, and I think the Japanese argument is the most apt. 1.00
02:09:24.000 So you heard what I said about Japanese people?
02:09:27.000 Yeah, I did. 1.00
02:09:28.000 The Japanese diet is incompatible to a great degree with people from other places. 0.88
02:09:32.000 In fact, the Western diet is incompatible with Japanese people for two reasons.
02:09:37.000 Asian people struggle with wine, the phosphates, and milk.
02:09:40.000 Asians tend to be lactose intolerant.
02:09:42.000 So, if you are moving people into a culture that is dominated by dairy products, which we heavily are, they're going to get sick a lot and they're going to not eat that.
02:09:50.000 And it's going to fundamentally change the culture, the economics, and even the laws of a nation.
02:09:54.000 So, there is absolutely an ethnic and racial component.
02:09:58.000 I appreciate the. 0.73
02:10:00.000 I mean, this is an explicit defense of racism, which.
02:10:05.000 What you're saying is about to be a defense of racism?
02:10:07.000 No, what you just said.
02:10:08.000 I was when I said racist to point out that I, as a Japanese person, Have gut bacteria that can digest cellulose better than you can.
02:10:14.000 No, no, no.
02:10:15.000 It's the positive form of racism.
02:10:15.000 It's not a negative.
02:10:18.000 What racism used to do is the study of racism.
02:10:21.000 The point that he's making is presumably an empirically correct one.
02:10:24.000 I can't personally verify it, but we have to abandon the ad hominem racist attacks when we're talking about issues that happen to.
02:10:30.000 No, no, no.
02:10:31.000 Tim is not a racist.
02:10:33.000 It is in no way racist for me to say, as an Asian person, there are scientific facts as to my biology.
02:10:39.000 But it's not.
02:10:40.000 Absolutely. 0.99
02:10:41.000 What I'm going to say is you're a white supremacist for telling me. 0.98
02:10:41.000 No, no, no, no. 0.98
02:10:45.000 A mixed race person about my heritage, and that I'm wrong to say it. 1.00
02:10:48.000 He's a disrespectful person.
02:10:49.000 He's not saying you're wrong to say it. 1.00
02:10:50.000 No, I'm just teasing you because you're playing the stupid game. 1.00
02:10:53.000 Yeah, don't do the racist thing. 1.00
02:10:55.000 That's racist to say Japanese people are racist. 1.00
02:10:58.000 We have to be able to say it. 1.00
02:10:58.000 No, Oh, my goodness. 1.00
02:11:00.000 Okay, okay.
02:11:01.000 Look.
02:11:01.000 Let's start over.
02:11:02.000 There is no discrimination.
02:11:03.000 There is no positive or negative discrimination in pointing out that Scandinavian people are tall and Thai people are short.
02:11:09.000 That's right.
02:11:11.000 So why call it racist?
02:11:13.000 No, I think we're.
02:11:14.000 Okay, look.
02:11:15.000 It's semantics again, as you would point out correctly.
02:11:18.000 So.
02:11:19.000 Let me apologize for using that word.
02:11:21.000 It obviously was a hot button word, and I apologize for using it.
02:11:24.000 It was a mistake.
02:11:25.000 Just big it. 1.00
02:11:26.000 Look, bringing different people into the United States of different types, yes, it may have different effects on everything from biology to, you know, culinary culture. 0.99
02:11:26.000 Just kidding. 0.99
02:11:42.000 Absolutely.
02:11:43.000 There's no question about it.
02:11:45.000 But fundamentally, I think that there's two things wrong about your argument.
02:11:51.000 One is that that is not what is inherently American.
02:11:55.000 What is that we eat and in what proportions is not what makes America great.
02:12:00.000 Good thing that wasn't my argument then.
02:12:02.000 Do you want to actually argue my point?
02:12:03.000 You were saying that it would change our culture.
02:12:06.000 I gave you two different examples of very linear things that absolutely did affect the cultures of those people to the larger point there is an ethnic component outside of those two granular examples.
02:12:20.000 Yes, ethnicity does drive certain aspects of culture.
02:12:25.000 Those aspects of culture are not what is fundamentally American.
02:12:25.000 Indeed.
02:12:30.000 It's okay with me if those aspects that you point out, and I'm not saying that they're unacceptable.
02:12:35.000 Does America have a pastime?
02:12:36.000 What's that?
02:12:37.000 Does America have a pastime?
02:12:39.000 Well, for me, it's baseball, but.
02:12:41.000 For the country, it's baseball.
02:12:43.000 It's historically documented to be baseball.
02:12:45.000 If we bring.
02:12:46.000 Football has overcome, but has certainly passed.
02:12:49.000 We have football and we have baseball as very American things.
02:12:53.000 They don't exist in other places in the same way.
02:12:55.000 Right.
02:12:56.000 But if people come here and all of a sudden soccer surpasses the NFL and surpasses baseball, I'm sorry, that doesn't change fundamental American culture.
02:12:56.000 They're starting to.
02:13:09.000 No, yes, it absolutely does.
02:13:11.000 You're just saying that you're indifferent to the change.
02:13:12.000 But soccer, soccer, soccer.
02:13:13.000 No, it might piss me off personally.
02:13:15.000 I just don't think that that is.
02:13:16.000 Because no one in the world says the word soccer, a slang term in the UK for association football that was coined, and the United States has soccer teams, and we've always had soccer teams, and it is very, very popular here.
02:13:28.000 And we've won the World Cup before.
02:13:30.000 Now, if you wanted to say they came and played stick hoop, people would take issue because we don't have stick hoop stadiums.
02:13:36.000 And then, so this is the principal argument on culture.
02:13:40.000 And a real world example the example that I like to give a guy stakes a claim in a farm in 1700.
02:13:47.000 That's it, it's 100 acres and nothing.
02:13:49.000 Generations go by, and a small town forms in and around these various plots of land.
02:13:54.000 Now there's a merchant, now there's a market, now there's a leather worker.
02:13:57.000 Eventually, it's the late 1800s, and one guy says, We all live and play together.
02:14:02.000 We all work together.
02:14:03.000 We go to church together.
02:14:04.000 I think we should build a baseball field.
02:14:06.000 You know, everyone's playing baseball these days.
02:14:08.000 So they all get together and they build a baseball field.
02:14:10.000 Over the next hundred years, they develop history, tradition.
02:14:16.000 It exists.
02:14:17.000 There's a statue of the man who brought the town together to build their now minor league baseball field, and everyone loves it.
02:14:23.000 Every year, they have a town hall meeting and they go over the budget and they decide as tradition, as we all have worked for and our great great grandfather sacrificed for and helped build and invested in.
02:14:34.000 We are going to allocate public tax funds to revitalize the baseball field.
02:14:38.000 They all clap and cheer.
02:14:39.000 Then Joe Biden brings in 51% Haitian migrants who come in and have done nothing wrong.
02:14:44.000 They were invited in by the government.
02:14:46.000 They come in and they come to the town hall meeting and they say, all in favor of using this year's budget to revitalize the baseball field.
02:14:53.000 And all the people of the town whose culture and tradition have been there for 100 plus years scream and cheer.
02:14:58.000 And the 51% of the town's population who are Haitian migrants say, no, we need a migrant welcome center because we are all here and we have trouble assimilating.
02:15:06.000 So the town says, okay, no more baseball.
02:15:08.000 Now, people are pissed.
02:15:09.000 What this leads to is racial animus.
02:15:11.000 It leads to cultural animus.
02:15:13.000 These are problems.
02:15:14.000 We don't want people fighting over these things.
02:15:16.000 But the first thing people see when they look at another person is going to be their physical body. 0.61
02:15:21.000 So, what ends up happening then is the white Anglo Saxon Protestants who grew up here and said, My great grandfather sacrificed so that we would have a place to play baseball with our kids. 0.99
02:15:32.000 And these migrants from Haiti don't care about that and just voted us out. 0.99
02:15:35.000 And now we can't have baseball anymore. 1.00
02:15:37.000 People shoot each other.
02:15:37.000 What happens?
02:15:39.000 There is absolutely a cultural component for migration that can be ethical.
02:15:43.000 That's your mental and an ethical component.
02:15:45.000 Did you mean ethical?
02:15:45.000 You said cultural.
02:15:46.000 Yes, I meant cultural.
02:15:47.000 You meant cultural.
02:15:48.000 Yes, cultural specifically because you were saying anyone could play soccer, anyone could play any sport.
02:15:51.000 No, when they come in and say no more baseball, our stadium's rotten all the time.
02:15:55.000 When you made that ship of Theseus example, I think, imagine you have your ship and you've got your planks that make up the ship.
02:16:00.000 Okay. 0.73
02:16:01.000 And one of those planks is baseball and the other one is the Christian religion.
02:16:05.000 And then the third one is the Judeo component of that Judeo Christian religion.
02:16:07.000 Whatever. 0.89
02:16:08.000 My point is, they're all planks.
02:16:10.000 If you.
02:16:10.000 Take all the planks away at once, as Elon Musk said, and you have a rapid, unscheduled disassembly, and then you put them all back together, then you have something very different.
02:16:17.000 No, Hold on.
02:16:19.000 I'm not saying that you're saying that.
02:16:20.000 I'm saying.
02:16:20.000 I'm not saying.
02:16:21.000 I'm saying.
02:16:21.000 I'm arguing that point because I think it's been clarified.
02:16:24.000 What I'm saying is if you move one plank out and replace it with another plank, and 10 years later, another plank comes out and you replace that, and then over the course of 100 years, the culture has changed, then you've preserved something.
02:16:24.000 No, no, I agree.
02:16:36.000 And this is what I'm trying to correct in your argument.
02:16:39.000 The ship of Theseus being rebuilt is the ship of Theseus, but the question is which was the original?
02:16:44.000 That's not what we're talking about. 0.99
02:16:45.000 What we're talking about is Haitian migrants hatcheting away at the ship of Theseus to build hunts. 1.00
02:16:49.000 Yeah, I agree with you. 1.00
02:16:50.000 And then we're like, that's not a boat anymore.
02:16:52.000 Now we can't go on the water.
02:16:54.000 That is the point that I'm making, which is that the temporal component of this, how quickly this happens, is critical to it.
02:17:01.000 And one other point, which is if we can't speak plainly about race and ethnicity and sex and sex roles and immigration and legal immigration and ideas without being called racist or chauvinistic or misogynistic or whatever, if we cannot speak truthfully like men around a table, we're never going to do the things that need to be done to preserve the country.
02:17:20.000 We got to break it down.