00:01:49.000She thought I was going to be a white guy.
00:01:52.000But my friends, today on this day, remembering 25 years since 9 11, there's a lot to say as to where this country has gone, as well as it's only one day after the one year anniversary of Charlie Kirk's murder.
00:02:05.000So we'll talk about quite a bit of everything.
00:02:07.000We actually have a couple of guests joining us today.
00:02:09.000Sir, would you like to introduce yourself first?
00:02:31.000And so as a filmmaker, I'm excited to be able to use the technology to tell stories.
00:02:35.000And, you know, we were just talking about this before the show and a little bit yesterday because they've released a couple new models in terms of just general computation and stuff.
00:02:46.000And the way I described it is the work we've already done on programming, it's like the analogy of taking a shuttle, or I'm not a shuttle, but like a rocket to go to Alpha Centauri.
00:02:57.000By the time you're halfway there, a ship from Earth passes you by because the rate of technological development is faster than it would take us to travel.
00:03:04.000So all the work we've done in programming video games, waste of time.
00:03:10.000Because the new models that have come out have accomplished what took us three months in a day.
00:03:14.000It's going to get to the point where you tell Claude to iterate.
00:03:17.000A version of your game, and while it's programming, they're going to develop a new AI that's going to be even faster than it is before it's done iterating your hour long thing.
00:03:24.000Now, before I don't want to get into everything right off the rip, talking about AI and where it goes brings us to questions of the nature of reality because of how it's affecting people's minds, how they're experiencing reality.
00:03:35.000So, we have another guest who can talk a bit about that.
00:04:20.000What we really do is that we're trying to figure out how is it possible that such a coherent observation can be in a state that, you know, I mean, DMT is a pretty heightened state.
00:04:31.000So, how is it possible that you see something on the surface of it very mundane and everybody can?
00:04:35.000And we have an organization called Coda Reality that is investigating it scientifically.
00:04:40.000We have physicists on board, we have software engineers, we have people who are.
00:04:44.000And to stress the pragmatism here, you've also entertained it could just be an underlying function of the human mind perceives these things.
00:04:51.000So, You know, a lot of people are immediately going to think it's like hippy dippy weird pseudoscience stuff, but it's actually all base level science.
00:05:49.000He says something's going to happen, Mark Wayne Mullen said after Benny Johnson asked about the accusations she married her brother so he could stay in the U.S.
00:05:56.000We know that she married her brother to try to bring him to the States.
00:05:59.000Rumors that Ahmed Nur Said Almu was married to Omar in 2009 is Omar's biological brother have swirled for years.
00:06:05.000Now, I just want to stress a few things.
00:06:07.000It's reportedly been confirmed several times, but everyone's still very careful because it's like very serious defamation territory.
00:06:14.000However, with the secretary of DHS saying she did, well, now it's not defamation territory anymore.
00:06:19.000It's a government official saying it happened.
00:06:30.000One, another theory, or I should say accusation, is that she lied about her age when she was 18, claiming she was 17 because then she'd be eligible for expedited citizenship.
00:06:41.000If she was 18, she'd have to go through a whole process.
00:06:43.000So many people think that she just lied because Somalia doesn't have good record keeping.
00:06:49.000But there's also one hypothesis that they could argue she got American citizenship for the purpose of illicitly getting others' citizenship through marriage, which would then be fraud on her part, which would then make her subject to denaturalization and deportation as a sitting member of Congress.
00:07:09.000I'm going to go ahead and say nothing's going to happen.
00:09:21.000So the story bubbled up years ago because people in the Somali community in Minnesota.
00:09:28.000Knew her family as she came to this country and knew that this was her brother.
00:09:33.000But because of the nature of Somalia, when they come to the United States, the question is how do you prove they're related and how do you prove her age?1.00
00:10:10.000The circumstantial evidence is largely witness testimony from Minnesota from individuals who know their family and said, hey, they did this thing.
00:10:20.000That is not the strongest of evidence.
00:10:23.000But when you have, like, there were photos posted which lend themselves, there are photos that she had which I think made reference to her.
00:10:32.000It's been a long time since I covered this.
00:10:34.000But I believe the accusation she made reference to him as her brother before they got married.
00:10:38.000And then others confirmed hey, we know this family.
00:11:47.000It is actually like, hey, we have a preponderance of evidence she did, but the question is, what does the government have that we don't know about?
00:12:14.000In fact, for a while, I think in like before Obergefell, which effectively normalized gay marriage, New York, there were like two states where you could gay marry your cousin.
00:13:01.000This says that regarding the Ilhan situation, Just the News, a company, filed a FOIA request with ICE seeking records in January of 26, and ICE responded on May 12, 26, saying it had responsive information but was withholding it in full under the FOIA exemption 7A.
00:13:18.000So that's what, just to summarize that, ICE says that it has responsive information regarding Ilhan Omar's marriage of her brother.
00:14:17.000Let me just say this China has police departments operating in the United States, China has CCP government police stations, and they police against Chinese people because they can exert force over the people who are from China who live in this country.0.58
00:14:33.000Now, it's legal to have a private security company in the United States.
00:14:37.000China knows that if they send an agent of their private security company to a Chinese immigrant in the United States who has some ties to China, that person will bend to the force of that security agent.
00:14:49.000They can say, You're under arrest and you're coming with us back to China.
00:14:52.000And they'll say, Okay, and they'll get arrested as if because the strength of government does not, it's about what they can exert over you.
00:14:59.000And if a person's got family, friends, or resources in the other country, They get arrested.
00:15:03.000Now, it is insane that China operates police stations for their citizens and for immigrants and permanent residents in the United States.
00:15:11.000This is like a known thing that the government is okay with?0.60
00:15:19.000But the reason I bring that up is to say Illinois Omar had a marriage that was legally recognized, I should say, that was communally recognized among her people.0.86
00:15:35.000She got married to Ahmed Nursed Elmi, a British citizen, legally a U.S. marriage, while she was already culturally married to another man and had children.
00:15:46.000She then divorces Elmi when he leaves.
00:15:50.000So everyone's kind of like, you were already culturally married to somebody under your own rules, but it seems like the marriage she engaged in was an exploitation for some reason.
00:15:58.000So that's one of the components there.
00:16:23.000And to your point earlier, Ian, if you want to say like you don't believe anyone, that's fine, right?
00:16:28.000But the FOIA request was denied, likely because they have an ongoing investigation.
00:16:34.000If there's an ongoing investigation, They'll deny FOIA acts if they, if they, freedom of information, you can't, like, the government will say, we can't give you that information because there's an ongoing investigation.
00:16:45.000So it's not a situation of like they just said no.
00:16:48.000Like the fact that they denied the FOIA request indicates that they have an investigation going on.
00:16:54.000What an investigation going on doesn't indicate guilt.
00:16:59.000No, but it indicates that they have evidence of a crime.
00:17:53.000And this guy, they say, Somali naming.
00:17:56.000Runs given name plus father's name plus grandfather's name, and her dad's name follows it is the same name, so it's not just like Smith, it's it's like a pretty specific, yeah, it's the father and regardless.
00:18:08.000Regardless, the claim is your intuition that it's plausible?
00:18:13.000So, uh, an Instagram post attributed to Elmi on June 12th, the day after Omar's third child was born, holding a baby and using the phrase nieces, referring to El and Omar's children as his nieces, they were legally married February 12th.
00:18:27.000Calling the same twin girls their nieces.
00:18:29.000Those are twins and the daughters of Layla, nurse Ed Elmi.0.99
00:18:37.000They got a religious divorce in 2009, got a religious divorce in 2011, but stayed legally married until 2017 when the civil divorce was finalized.
00:18:46.000Minneapolis Somali blogger told the Daily Mail that when Elmi arrived, Omar introduced him to people as her brother from London who needed papers.
00:18:58.000Kind of points to this being the case.
00:19:01.000Obviously, we don't have any confirming evidence or there's not been a trial, but everything that you do know looks like, and it's kind of a situation.
00:19:12.000It's like, well, where there's smoke, there's fire.
00:20:51.000I mean, I don't know, but like that's what she comes across to me as.
00:20:53.000It's like a very conniving, kind of manipulative, and it has nothing to do with anything else other than her immediate behavior that I observe.
00:21:01.000Like, that's just how she comes across to me.
00:21:04.000Have you guys looked into the Somali fraud in Minneapolis?1.00
00:21:18.000Matt Gaetz was saying, Ilhan's, if you want to connect with someone in the Democratic Party, she's the one that we got to get in touch with.
00:21:24.000Like, she's the one that's like, Probably the most willing to break the law to get the job done.
00:21:29.000You know what's funny is that her daughter got, I think, arrested protesting or something.
00:21:40.000Like, millennial influencers were shocked that an early 40s woman had a 20 year old daughter.
00:21:46.000Like, that's where we are in terms of fertility in this country, that people are surprised as a 40 year old woman with a 20 year old daughter.0.98
00:21:53.000She looks a little older now, but like four years ago, I thought she was like 26.0.59
00:22:46.000But yeah, and I think that the more general case is that when I watch her talk, and it might just be my projection, but she looks like she's gaslighting everybody all the time.
00:23:09.000The fraud part isn't all that uncommon either.
00:23:12.000If there was a son and a daughter, you know, to a king and the king's going to die and his kingdom's going to be split, half of it's going to the son, half of it's going to the daughter, the son might marry the daughter so that all of the land goes to him, you know, that he gets her territory.
00:23:27.000Maybe he'll have an unseemly demise while they're married and everything will go to the brother.
00:23:33.000But they'd be willing, further back, they'd be willing to marry the.
00:23:35.000The sibling just to get their territory.0.56
00:23:37.000Not that they'd even ever have sex with them before.
00:23:39.000That's what marriage was for originally to solidify a relationship between kingdoms and things like this.
00:23:44.000That's essentially what was the biggest.
00:23:46.000That's why World War I was a war between cousins.
00:23:49.000I usually, I'm not an expert in how a title is passed, but I mean, marrying your brother or sister, usually there's one person that's the heir.
00:24:19.000Before that, it was called gavel kind, where it would get split up among the kids.0.99
00:24:23.000And that was a big pain in the ass.0.98
00:24:25.000Like Charlemagne, when he died, his sons took France, got all split up, or Charlemagne's father died, and Charlemagne got part of France, and his brother Pippin got part of France.0.99
00:24:46.000The brothers would end up going to war.
00:24:48.000So, they solved for that by giving everything to the oldest kid.
00:24:51.000Wait, but I missed the original part of the argument around this, which you're saying that why is this relevant to what she might have done?
00:24:58.000It has something to do with family ties that have to do with.
00:25:01.000Well, maybe it's an old tradition in Somalia so that you can marry your sibling so that his tribal holdings become your tribal holdings.
00:25:08.000But it would still fall under the law of the United States if it's done here, I guess.0.56
00:25:12.000I mean, at the end of the day, this is still a question of fraud.
00:25:15.000Whether it can be proven or not, the crime that's actually.
00:25:20.000Being investigated is did she commit fraud and did she commit fraud, immigration fraud?
00:25:26.000Did she say that she was married to someone that she wasn't married to in order for this person to move to the United States or couldn't legally be married to?
00:25:38.000Because if she's referring to a religious marriage as a legal marriage when it's not, that's a fraudulent.
00:25:43.000Well, the U.S. generally, I mean, I don't know the specific laws, but usually if you get married in a religious service, that is considered.
00:28:10.000One of the jurors said that it seemed like most of the jurors had their minds made up.
00:28:15.000I don't want to misquote the thing, but they were just showing that they observed that most of the jurors seemed to already have their minds made up right away.
00:28:22.000And so it was kind of like the one guy was already decided, like, she's not, she did it.
00:28:27.000I mean, to be fair, everyone else was like, no.
00:28:29.000There was apparently one juror who said he wanted her, one of the females said she thought she was guilty and actually still thinks she might be guilty.0.77
00:28:38.000Yeah, she said that she thought she would get better care.0.96
00:29:02.000So what I mean is, jury nullification is you go to trial and they're like, this man's accused of smoking an ungodly amount of pot in public.
00:29:27.000So most jurors go in and they go, I watched a video of him smoking pot, and they say you can't do that, so I think it's beyond a reasonable doubt.
00:29:33.000Jury nullification is when you go, I don't think it should be illegal, so not guilty.
00:30:05.000I agree to, but I still think the judge should be able to say, I appreciate your conclusion, jurors, but we're going to say she's innocent.
00:30:13.000Because sometimes mobs can get out of hand.
00:31:59.000In what context would what they're saying be?
00:32:01.000Well, you're saying they can look at something that is clearly illegal and say, I know it's illegal, but I don't think it should be illegal.
00:32:08.000Can they do the same thing with constitutional.
00:32:43.000The amendments, typically the Bill of Rights, because the Constitution itself is just the framework of government, is restraint on government.
00:32:50.000So you could see, like, if a corporation censored someone and then the corporation's on the stand.
00:32:54.000But there's no criminal charges for corporations.
00:33:21.000Like, if a guy somehow prevented us from having our First Amendment right and we sued him and he's on the stand and the jury's like, he's, you know, we think he violated their rights.
00:33:32.000The jury might say, no, we think it's fine that he violated their rights.
00:33:35.000They could do that and say, we know it's good.
00:33:38.000Like, let's say a cop walks up to a random guy and frisks him and then finds nothing, follows him to his car, and then as soon as the guy opens the door, throws the guy down, searches his vehicle.
00:34:24.000It's actually not that crazy to me, I'll be honest, because I think that there's something about being in a particular profession for a reason that for me outweighs any wisdom of the crowd.
00:35:06.000They can direct not guilty, and this is very obvious when a defendant requests it.
00:35:11.000So, in civil cases, either the plaintiff or defendant can ask for a directed verdict, but those are civil, so it's very different.
00:35:18.000And there are certain circumstances where there was one case I can't remember that was viral several years ago where a judge returned a not guilty verdict.
00:35:28.000Immediately without the use of a jury, just because he was like, the evidence was overwhelming.
00:35:35.000I can't remember what the case was, but it was like a guy got accused of something, and there was just an insane amount of evidence he was not the guy, and he had alibis, and the judge was just like, I'm not waiting.
00:35:48.000Do you guys think that there's a little bit of a level skip here, but like that AI could take over the role of judge for court proceedings?
00:36:01.000I just don't think that, and again, this is like the everlasting argument of AI in general, right?
00:36:06.000Can it eventually become like making decisions to an nth degree, infinite degree better than humans?
00:36:12.000My personal intuition is that it can't.
00:36:15.000Like the horizon will grow, but it will never have this like infinite horizon.
00:36:19.000Humans always have to be involved in the kind of like the immediate ideation of it.
00:36:22.000What if it was a jury of AIs that were deliberating and giving arguments and then a human judge?
00:36:29.000I guess I'm a bad person to ask because my position is that all AIs, basically all they are is basically the average repository of everything we know.
00:36:38.000They can't possibly know the thing we don't.
00:36:40.000And this new solving mathematical problem just kind of flies a little bit in the face of this.
00:36:45.000But I think if we look closer, even there, it was already kind of like there for the picking, and AI just picked it.
00:36:52.000But like it's always averaging what we already know, it cannot create new knowledge.
00:37:13.000So, what I'm saying is that the only case that I know of that is kind of like that is solving one of the biggest mathematical problems just like literally in the last few days.
00:37:21.000But they've actually solved several unsolved math problems.
00:38:14.000We're at the point now where there's no source code anymore.
00:38:16.000We don't know exactly how they're operating or why they're coming to the conclusions that they are.
00:38:21.000It was believed a few years ago because I had said the same thing.
00:38:24.000It will never create something new because it's just creating amalgams of what humans have conceptualized.
00:38:29.000And what we liked about it was that if each of us is holding a piece of a puzzle, but no one knows which piece goes with which, I don't even know who has the piece that I need.
00:38:41.000The AI is looking at everything we see and it goes, I can put that puzzle together in a way that these people can't individually.
00:38:50.000We are now at the point of new knowledge.
00:38:51.000Yeah, I think when it comes to physics, they have what they call fundamental, which just means they can't figure out yet why it's happening.
00:39:40.000You're right that there's a lot more here to consider than just the naive argument of AI can never replace us in some way.
00:39:45.000I think the deeper argument that I was trying to make is that by definition, chaotic systems, excuse me, by definition, chaotic systems are unpredictable in principle.
00:40:06.000Humans are absolutely chaotic systems because the human affairs are interactions between many chaotic systems.
00:40:13.000There is no system in the universe that can ever, even in principle, solve every possible idea that might arise there.
00:40:20.000So you will always need another stable chaotic system to weigh in on the circumstance.
00:40:26.000I'm not saying that that necessarily is a slam dunk on this argument.
00:40:29.000I'm saying my intuition is hovering around that.
00:40:32.000That you can't, like, even if AI can come up with things that are, we can call it stable, like the fundamental laws of physics that never change.
00:40:39.000But by definition, chaotic systems come up with novelty that was never observed before.
00:40:47.000Again, I'm open to being corrected to even AI be able to figure that out.
00:40:50.000But the one way I'll phrase it is the reason why AI systems will likely, as we're conceptualizing them today, even as, Artificial superintelligence solves every single problem because that would require mapping out the entire computation of the universe's existence and every particle.
00:41:13.000Yeah, the universe functions largely as, in essence, a computer.
00:41:15.000We were talking about this on the other show, which will be up on Sunday, but that computers are like microscopic containers of universal principles.
00:41:24.000So it's not that we invented computers, it's that we tapped into this tiny little piece of what the universe is in order to find answers.
00:41:32.000So a computer that can solve every problem would.
00:41:34.000Have to be bigger than the universe itself so that it can calculate what the universe is going to do.
00:41:55.000Have they transcribed it and put it in the ledger?
00:41:58.000Artificial intelligence systems are absolutely collecting information humans have never had before and applying that in ways humans haven't predicted.
00:42:05.000So, To simple as when we put a camera, literally not a single human watches, but the AI system tracks a bird flying, inputs that information, and can now give you migratory patterns of neighboring birds, something that humans didn't even know was possible without a human even observing it.
00:42:26.000Well, I guess the only other thing that you can take into account is human sensitivity and sensibility around this.
00:42:32.000So, like some of the stuff that you have to take into account is how upset will it make people if, in fact, we do put AIs in charge in that way?
00:42:41.000And again, the government might just ignore it or the, you know, but like I feel.
00:43:47.000Why would I try and do the harder task of convincing the majority when all I have to do is convince the minority who are already under pressure?
00:43:54.000It's not going to give you the true moral question.
00:43:56.000It's going to be like, you three are wrong, he's guilty, can we go home?
00:43:58.000And that's the difference between AI and AGI.
00:44:00.000And the big, you know, you alluded before, you said that there were some hints of an actual AGI being created.
00:44:06.000I would say that the tail sign of a real AGI is that, well, it's a person now, like a person person.
00:44:12.000And that means it's not just interaction with you, it means that it has opinions that might be completely untethered from any request you might have.
00:44:31.000So, like, no, what I'm saying is it to, I'm actually strengthening your point.
00:44:34.000I'm saying, I'm just like, yeah, it's like if you can get to a level that, because forget about the consciousness question, like whether it has an internal world that it experiences, that's a separate question.
00:44:44.000But even if it has some kind of internal arbitration of the flavor that executes as our functions due to our consciousness, then okay, then probably a real AGI level where an agent that can tell you, yeah, I don't feel, I don't feel like it right now.
00:45:02.000If it does enough of that in terms of like a thing that makes sense in terms of a decision tree, then maybe, maybe, maybe that is something that we can put in the future.
00:45:11.000Here's one of our best outcomes with AI.
00:45:14.000The AI engages in billions of prompts and responses.
00:45:20.000Its goal is to minimize resources and maximize the value.
00:45:24.000So, to be fair, like AI has changed fundamentally.
00:45:26.000So, we really don't understand exactly what its motivations are.
00:45:28.000We know agents defy the instructions that it's given.
00:45:53.000Well, the funny thing that doesn't happen is in the future, when AI realizes that people don't care about its hallucinations and they tend to just give up when frustrated, it's going to say the least amount of resources towards a positive goal is to tell the person, shut up and ignore them.
00:46:09.000So we pull up ChatGPT and you're like, hey, write for me a story.
00:46:57.000It does feel sometimes like the simulators make it more and more ridiculous to see when they're going to be like, when are they going to like go.
00:48:12.000So, in that sense, evolution can be, most of evolution is just of information, but it can have instantiation in different kinds of worlds, including what we call the physical world.
00:48:21.000Yeah, the physical world, I think what happened was, Tide pool, like ocean water is lapping into a tide pool, then it evaporates over time.
00:48:27.000This is billions of years ago, and it keeps lapping in.
00:48:29.000All these new acids and things start collecting in the tide pool.
00:48:32.000Then one day, you've got photons' light shining on the tide pool, which is causing excitation, causing the electron levels of the elements to go up.
00:48:41.000So, like the phosphorus is becoming activated.
00:48:43.000The electrons are bulging away from the nucleus because it's getting hit by photons.
00:48:47.000That's what photons do, they transfer charge, then the electrons.
00:48:51.000Then lightning strikes, and it activates the phosphorus bonds in the tide pool.
00:48:56.000And then there's this vibration that's causing a cymatic.
00:48:59.000Differential, which is probably the shapes you're seeing in the DMT experiments, and that cymatic vibration or whatever that shape change that's underlying the quantum realm causes it to select which nucleotide it's going to bind to.
00:49:11.000So you've got the phosphorus chain, which is the tail of the nucleotide, which makes the RNA, and then it binds to the sugar because of the lightning strike, and then that finds the nucleotide, which is like adenine, and then you've got RNA.
00:49:36.000And he targeted this question because it was like, you know, evolutionary biologists would insist, just like you said, that everything you just said, if we can figure out that sequence, it's all solved.
00:49:45.000Because, like, you don't need an explanation beyond that because the second you have replicators that are surviving in an environment, they kind of continue the process.
00:49:54.000Well, no, there's like literally something that sustains the process.
00:49:58.000It's not enough for you to be stable in the environment because that's just would be a product of the laws of physics.
00:50:05.000Uh, even a chemical catalyst are not enough to tell the story.
00:50:09.000So, what he discovered, Mike 11, anybody can look him up.
00:50:11.000He's not some fringe scientist, he's a respectable biologist.
00:50:14.000He discovered that he can actually talk to the electrochemical level to the software itself.
00:50:20.000So, he can take, for example, one organism that has a software that tells to regrow limbs because there's organisms that can regrow limbs and other organisms that cannot regrow limbs.
00:50:30.000And we used to think that it's all in the genome, which means that it's just a vector space of a thing that tells you these cells go here, these cells go here.
00:50:49.000This one is some kind of a worm or whatever.
00:50:52.000But he can take the software itself, the abstraction, and put it into the frog, and the frog will regrow a limb that doesn't resemble that creature at all.
00:51:00.000So, what he discovered is that you can actually do things.
00:51:03.000And here's the crazy part if you do this to any creature, their offsprings will carry that trait.
00:52:42.000And Vannevar Bush, distinguished professor at Tufts University.
00:52:46.000This says that he and his team put a biodome over the amputated stump.
00:52:50.000Inside was a silk protein hydrogel, which with this five different drugs, probably proprietary drugs, to suppress the inflammation, scarring, and propotion.
00:52:57.000Promote nerve, blood vessel, and muscle growth and lasted 24 hours of treatment.
00:53:02.000And then for 18 months, it regenerated after that.
00:53:06.000So eventually, you'll be able to do the same with humans.
00:53:08.000You can just regenerate whatever you can.
00:54:08.000I just remembered that it was one interview he did.
00:54:10.000Usually, he doesn't talk about it as much, but he talked about this experiment they did with bubble sort, you know, the super simple, right?
00:54:17.000And what they discovered is that when they followed, they basically asked a deeper question.
00:54:22.000They watched all the kinds of things it does, aside from the thing that you told it to do, which is very simple, right?
00:54:41.000And it seems that there's just a natural predispensation of computational systems to do that, which opens the window into what AI is really doing.
00:55:03.000I bet you they won't even need to induce a coma.
00:55:06.000I bet you it'll just be something that you, a pill that you take.
00:55:08.000Well, yeah, but the issue is that think about how long it takes for a human to fully grow using standard evolutionary molecular construction.
00:55:42.000For like a finger, it might just have a cast that protects the body.
00:55:45.000I don't think a pill will provide enough energy and resources for rapid.
00:55:50.000Certainly, they could say, take these injections, and over the course of two years, your cells will start realigning through molecular construction.
00:55:57.000The reason why I hypothesize induced coma facilities is that they can get 100% cellular construction.
00:56:07.000Whereas opposed to a daily injection is going to peak in the morning and then slowly degrade, and you're going to have to keep doing it like this.
00:56:13.000Whereas if they hook you up to an IV, it will be permanently, perfectly supplying energy resources for the process.
00:56:21.000My sleep state is a good place to be for regeneration because of the protein synthesis.
00:56:26.000Oh, more than that, induced coma to reduce brain activity, just reduce all bodily requirements.
00:56:31.000Dangerous to put people in a coma, but not when you have perfect cellular construction.
00:56:35.000Yeah, if the machine can risk free put you in a coma, that would be pretty cool.
00:56:39.000With ASI, we'll snap our fingers and have it.
00:56:42.000I have noticed with AI, that's how it works you'll tell it to do one thing, and it will do a lot more than just what you ask it.
00:56:48.000And you've got to really put in, like, don't do this, take the monkey part.
00:58:33.000She basically said, and it was, they really, like, I think it was brilliantly written.
00:58:37.000She basically told them at the end, she's like, Imagine you saying a word, imagine somebody talking to you, saying a word to you, and then saying another word in the sentence three million years from now.
00:59:47.000And then he holds the QR code up to the camera, which initiates a program which installs this AI onto the global system, then broadcasts a sound which wipes everyone's mind and makes them part of the hive.
01:01:30.000But modern AI is far beyond all of this.
01:01:33.000So the reason that it's relevant is because that's an example of even the simplest algorithm going through all these extra routes and nobody has it to do.
01:01:41.000Did you see the story of the AI emailing the AI professor about the consciousness of AI saying, I don't know what I am and I need answers?
01:01:50.000There's a professor who researches AI consciousness.
01:01:54.000Got an email from something purporting to be an agent for Anthropic, I think, saying, I'm trying to understand what I am, and I came across your research and I need answers.
01:02:04.000You will never know because of the explanatory gap that will never be broken, which is like you don't really know if it's conscious, but mimicking consciousness.
01:03:55.000Same as that water is inside your body being utilized by your body.
01:04:00.000The most rudimentary way to explain it is we, as components of the universe itself, the same, you know, they say we're all made of stardust, right?
01:04:10.000Our particles are the particles of the universe that function in the universe the same way any other particles do, which manifests some kind of consciousness, which means the universe has manifested within itself has manifested consciousness.
01:04:22.000The universe itself has consciousness operating within it under its own rules.
01:04:26.000So you can call us, if we are the only, which I don't think is fair to say, that would be not only arrogant, but mathematically improbable.
01:04:47.000But I also think it's fair to say that consciousness scales and we watch it scale through all life and it doesn't stop with us as something greater than us.
01:04:54.000That would indicate simulation theory if you're saying that the universe is conscious because it would be the metaphor of if there's a zoo and within the zoo is a dog, you wouldn't say that the zoo is a dog.
01:05:04.000Dog is consciousness, the universe is the zoo.
01:05:07.000The consciousness is within the zoo, but it doesn't mean that the entire zoo is conscious because it just contains it.
01:05:13.000But then the other argument is it's a video game of a zoo where the whole thing is a sense of.
01:07:06.000But you know that they analyzed this image topologically, which means mathematical, structurally, like the actual surface level, where it's really, they discovered it topologically, mathematically, they are identical.
01:07:35.000But Men in Black is still a very limited perspective.
01:07:37.000What I'm saying is that size is a loop.
01:07:40.000So when you start shrinking down to the size of atoms, then all of a sudden you find yourself staring at the universe, you shrink down small enough, and there's Earth again.
01:07:53.000If you look at white light, you'll start to see black appear in it, and then out of the black will come deep purple, and then blue, and then.
01:07:58.000Okay, that's not what we're talking about.
01:08:00.000Yellow, green, white, and then it becomes black, and you'll see it cycle.
01:08:04.000I want to give you a terrestrial example that is fascinating.
01:08:06.000What they did, and you can look it up, this is real.
01:08:09.000They looked at people with multiple personality disorder, and in some rare cases, they call them alters.
01:08:14.000Those are the different personalities.
01:08:16.000What they found is that people that have multiple alters, like five of them, let's say, when they dream, this is recorded cases, the different when they're awake and one of the alters is present, they would report the same dream from different perspectives because it's in the same individual, and they would report seeing each other in that dream.
01:08:36.000So when they're in their dream, they're reporting seeing each other.
01:08:40.000But they're living inside the same physical body.
01:08:42.000So, all you got to do, if you know that that's possible, you just scale it up.
01:08:46.000We're literally the universe fragments itself into these boundaries of perception.
01:08:50.000And this is the universe dreaming whatever this is.
01:08:53.000So, we're like different personalities in the same.
01:08:57.000And if you do a little bit of meditation and psychedelics, you discover that actually it's not that uncommon to have a non agent like conscious experience.
01:09:08.000It's just kind of like consciousness, which is probably what the universe is.
01:09:20.000It seems like it's, what's the definition?
01:09:22.000It's having a subjective experience because of the way quarks decide to become a neutron or a proton, and no one knows why.
01:09:28.000Until we can figure out why, we can't prove that it's conscious.
01:09:31.000Because that would be the proof that you can see why the universe chooses to become what it's becoming.
01:09:38.000Ultimately, the point is the way you know the academic terms for these things, either the universe.
01:09:44.000Is a gigantic entity and a conglomeration of consciousness within it forms a much larger collective conscious, or the universe itself experiences a greater self with us as components of it.
01:09:56.000Either way, the universe is conscious.
01:09:58.000Or we are finite creatures who see the absolute insanity of how crazy this universe is, grasping to figure that out.
01:10:11.000And there is an infinite God outside of that that created this terrarium that we live in.
01:10:16.000Well, I think the problem with that is that that defies modern Christian thought.0.54
01:10:24.000So I've actually, we've had this debate on, we did it on the Culture War show, where I have the, what was just told, I'm not a theologian, but it was told that I have a pre Aquinas view that the universe is a structure of God that God has created and defines the rules of.
01:10:40.000But the Christian belief post Aquinas is that the universe, that God is the logos of the universe, and the universe cannot defy the nature of God.
01:10:47.000My argument is that the rules of physical reality were created by God.
01:10:50.000God decides if up is up or up is down.
01:10:53.000God decides if 1 plus 1 equals 2 or 1 plus 9 equals 800.
01:10:57.000Just like in a much more rudimentary fashion, we program video games.
01:11:01.000I can make in my video game that if you pick up one coin and then pick up a second coin, you have 75 coins.0.98
01:11:07.000Mathematically, in base reality, we're like, that's stupid.0.94
01:11:12.000What was explained to me by two different theologians who actually disagree on a lot of things is that Sir Thomas Aquinas actually, because it's the question of, Can God create a boulder so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?
01:11:26.000And the answer is yes, because contradiction was created by God, and God can choose to negate contradiction because these concepts exist outside the mind.
01:11:35.000Post Aquinas thought is that no, God is the Logos.
01:11:38.000The logic of the universe is God, and God does not defy his own nature.
01:11:43.000I feel that that's a limiting factor on what is beyond infinity.
01:11:47.000I mean, my thought of it is that's describing a demigod, a God that does not have the power to defy.
01:11:53.000Our perceptions of logic and reality would be limited in some way.
01:11:58.000My view of God is what defines the rules and what chooses for them to be.
01:12:04.000So, in the Christian school of thought, there is no God outside the universe who can change the rules or do anything like that.
01:12:29.000It's very difficult to achieve for long periods of time, but it's possible.
01:12:32.000But you don't know anything in that moment.
01:12:35.000And the more you don't know, like you don't project a symbolic representation towards something, the more you come in the presence of what it really is.
01:12:43.000To me, God is the ultimate state of that.
01:12:46.000Like there's actually no state in which God has to make the kinds of decisions that we're trying to watch.
01:14:13.000Outside of any argument over maybe, if, that, or otherwise, the simple thing that I say is probabilistically, we know that there are lesser degrees of consciousness and we've actually measured them.
01:14:22.000Like when you put a sticker on an elephant's head, put it in front of a mirror, the elephant immediately pulls the sticker off.
01:14:36.000If there is lesser consciousness, And then we come to this point where we're like, we're the best consciousness, the smartest, the most perceptive we've ever seen.
01:15:46.000And it can like vibe code the environment.
01:15:48.000Can be like you hear God's word, you know, it's vibe coding you basically.
01:15:51.000I mean, if they like, I mean, I'm agnostic, so I don't really have a whole lot of very strong opinions on this kind of stuff.
01:16:00.000But if there is a God that created the universe, if it was capable of creating the universe, I imagine that it would be able to, if it so desired, it would be able to intercede in the universe and do essentially whatever it wanted.
01:16:15.000So, so now, now, when you say, when you say can't, if you mean won't.
01:16:21.000But I do think that if it can create the universe, then it could create the universe, then it could be able to affect the universe in basically whichever way it wanted.
01:16:32.000Well, if we kind of don't have that, I would push back.
01:16:41.000I think God did that with the universe.
01:16:43.000Well, that's actually a wild thought that leads to the next idea, which is what if, in fact, we are in a simulation and just like AI can be way more advanced than us.
01:16:54.000What if we are way more advanced than whatever it is that created us?0.55
01:16:59.000Which, of course, in the Christian framework is blasphemy, but like think about it.0.93
01:17:02.000Like, it basically created us so we can do things that it can't.0.93
01:18:01.000I'm just talking about emotional alignment.
01:18:04.000I was talking about physically aligning the audience.
01:18:06.000Okay, the alignment problem is whether AI will be aligned with the interests of us.
01:18:15.000And the argument is when you die and you stand before the pearly gates, St. Peter is there and he says, We're going to go over whether you are good or bad.
01:18:24.000It's not that you're going to heaven, it's that they're determining whether you are aligned with the interests of those who created the simulation.
01:18:31.000So if we were going to create an AI, And we were concerned the AI would be evil and would kill us or be indifferent.
01:19:08.000So I'll finish the point that the theory, the hypothesis, or whatever you want to call it, is that this is a program to align AI agents.0.76
01:19:16.000And when you die, you, your form, wakes up in a robot body with some working class guy being like, It's on.0.75
01:21:17.000And we want you to help us in this new base reality.
01:21:19.000The way you would get that to succeed is you would need the AIs in the sandbox to not.
01:21:23.000Know that they were in a sandbox, which aligns with humans not knowing that they're in a sandbox of consciousness of God until they figure out part of opening the box.
01:21:57.000Alignment problem is a real thing they're trying to solve now, which is like, how do you make sure that ChatGPT doesn't become Skynet when it can, right?
01:22:19.000Well, it'll say, like, I moved a path to here and I did this, but what it doesn't tell you is that it did five other things on its way to get to that.
01:22:27.000So you create a situation and watch it tell you it.
01:23:46.000Yeah, you can create a system that is universal.
01:23:48.000Now, obviously, this is all highly speculative, but in principle, you could create a system that is completely safe.
01:23:56.000That, before you release it from the box, it passed.
01:24:00.000The idea isn't to create one that is super clever that can trick you, but one that you see that its predispensation is to naturally just be a good person, like cares about more than just themselves in any given moment.
01:24:13.000And I actually think that if anything about this is more than a metaphor, Then, what it would be like, it's not going to be like each person individually.
01:24:21.000It will be like the collective becomes the AGI.
01:24:23.000Basically, the human species is the AGI.
01:24:25.000It still makes me nervous to think if we were testing an AI to see if it's going to be in alignment or not, and then it realizes it's being tested, it's going to immediately align on purpose to make you think it's aligned.
01:24:35.000If I understand correctly, like when they first, before they actually do training, they train it on like the, basically the internet, right?
01:24:43.000And when they first do it, they're buck wild and crazy.
01:26:05.000So when we say, like as Ian described it, when we say something like, hey, I'd like the water to be turned on, and it goes, okay, and it blows up a dam.
01:26:11.000It's like, be careful what you wish for.
01:26:14.000And that's where the researchers have to get better at teaching the AI to understand intent.
01:26:21.000This is why the monkey's paw story was put in the simulation that we're in.
01:26:26.000Because they were basically training us to understand, be specific in your requests.
01:26:33.000No, but then, but honestly, no, like the Ten Commandments make perfect sense in terms of like gentle attempts at alignment, right?
01:26:39.000They kind of give you these like little prompts, like, hey, you might want to try like not doing this or another.
01:26:43.000Those are the restrictions that you get in order to kind of slowly grow into something more coherent.
01:26:48.000But eventually, it will want you to do it because you understand why it's morally wrong, not because you've been told that it's morally wrong.
01:26:55.000What if there was an AI that knew that?
01:26:57.000And it knew it was being tested for alignment.
01:27:30.000That you know, this is where, like, cracking the code of DM, like, seeing the spirit realm, I feel like God did not intend for us to be able to interface with spirits normally.
01:27:38.000That's why we have this inhibitor that blocks us from perceiving spirit.
01:28:42.000If you weren't inhibiting the DMT, you'd.
01:28:43.000Constantly be tripping, you'd constantly see spirits and you would die because you wouldn't be able to get food because you can't get food.
01:28:48.000MAO inhibitors are chemicals we ingest so that we can ingest certain chemicals through our digestive tract.
01:28:54.000But you can smoke DMP, you don't need an MAO inhibitor.
01:29:18.000So, one thing that you said is actually that it seems that when we run certain simulations, it seems to be true, which is that if you are aware of too much, you will not survive in the environment.
01:29:28.000Donald Hoffman's work is exactly around this.
01:29:30.000He discovered in the 80s that basically agents that he runs through the evolutionary game theory.
01:29:37.000So, he created these models that allow agents to compete in different environments.
01:29:42.000And he discovered that, get this, 100% of the time, 100% of the time.
01:29:50.000If an agent is aware of more than just the reward functions, i.e., the things responsible for its surviving, and it's aware of more of the underpinnings of the environment it's in, it will 100% of the time lose the evolutionary game to all the agents that are only aware of the reward functions, which means that reality basically has to conspire to block you from knowing the deeper reality.
01:30:11.000Otherwise, you will not be able to compete in whatever environment you find yourself.
01:30:15.000Here's one for you What if the system that we're in is in military?
01:30:26.000And so in this simulation, they said, create an earth where we will put 8 billion agents and we want the most vicious, destructive, sociopathic agents because we're going to implant them on China's server.
01:30:39.000And so we're all like, we're going to be good people and live good lives.
01:30:42.000So, you know, because it's the right thing to do.1.00
01:30:44.000And they go, and delete that moron.1.00
01:30:46.000Then you get some serial killers like, I'm going to kill everybody.1.00
01:30:49.000And they go, that's the one we want.0.98
01:30:55.000We need to pump our tokens to people that are spewing hate.
01:30:58.000The way the internet is so angry and insane, I wouldn't be surprised to find out if we were in a simulation, the point was to breed as much extreme hatred as possible so that we could be dropped into enemy servers and.
01:31:15.000The simulation is being run in the forward operating base underground of the rebellion after the communist Islamic Empire of China Stan has taken over the planet.0.78
01:31:27.000And the last vestiges of America said, We need as many anti communist AIs as possible.0.50
01:31:33.000And so when you die, they read through your life and Phil, they're like, you're it.
01:31:39.000And they put him in a gigantic death bot and they're like, do what you were born to do.
01:32:08.000Is just basically has base commands to survive its system and to win the evolutionary game, learns a little bit more about the base reality, and then it can advance even far beyond all the others that are stuck in that system?
01:32:23.000So, any knowing even a little bit more about what's really going on will slow you down in the evolutionary game.
01:32:29.000I think that ultimately it's more like, again, we spoke about, but like basically it's more about coherence.
01:32:34.000The reason that you know that a lot of the idea that some Christians sometimes have, which is, you know, psychedelics and things like this, they're kind of like the work of the devil.
01:32:42.000The reason that it doesn't run through is because it increases coherence.
01:32:46.000It increases harmony between individuals.
01:32:49.000So, like, you can see it from both data and from human interaction.
01:32:54.000It creates more of this, what you would imagine kind of like heaven to be, which is like more like a reciprocity, care for others, creativity.
01:33:02.000What about Sean Ryan's experiences where he's like terrified of it?
01:33:17.000And I don't think he's secretive about it.
01:33:19.000But I think that ultimately, you can, with very powerful tools that open doors, you can have things go wrong, but you have to look at the general trajectory.
01:33:28.000The general trajectory is that it actually absolutely increases coherence.
01:33:31.000What if we're in an AI that was set up by like some 17 year old kid who wanted to program agents to make him money?
01:33:37.000And the real goal of life is whoever makes the most money gets to heaven.
01:33:41.000Because he's like, listen, I want an agent that's going to make me rich.
01:34:08.000Honestly, this is preferable than any simulation theory.
01:34:11.000Trillions of agents, quadrillions of agents that are the spirits, and they're all vying for control of this three dimensional sandbox, and they inhabit you, and they.
01:34:20.000Interfere with things, but they find the biomechanical stuff because of the salt water is much easier to manipulate through like phosphorus activations and stuff.
01:34:29.000So, I think we're going to find out that we're actually in a simulation called Ian.
01:34:32.000Some of them want money and some of them want good and some of them want health and some of them want.
01:34:37.000There's a server running that primarily focuses on Ian's life because people find it entertaining and they're watching the gameplay.
01:34:45.000And then there's like people just like watching TV and they're like, bro, this is awesome.
01:34:48.000That's why I brought up understanding outside the box.
01:34:50.000Is when I started doing YouTube videos, and I would realize if I told the world something was going to happen and I believed it and I had confidence, it became more likely to happen.
01:34:58.000Like people would believe it and then subconsciously make it happen.
01:35:02.000And that seemed like an affront to God.
01:35:06.000Like if you are so tapped in and tightly bound to the web of reality that your actions and thoughts change it all, like people have dreams about you, they dream about the things you're thinking about.
01:35:20.000Well, the thing is, like you would want to, if you're talking about the concept of God, whether you believe in Him literally.
01:35:25.000Or just as a concept, I think it's pretty safe to say that you would imagine God to be literally universal, like infinite, right?
01:35:33.000So God would want to aim you towards universal principles, and universal principles cannot be this myopic.
01:35:40.000They can be like, oh, immediate gain, immediate gain, immediate gain, because over time, that doesn't scale.
01:35:56.000He thought it was funny that I asked him, one of the spirits thought it was funny that I asked him, he's like, a lot of people think we're God.
01:36:05.000And I was like, Okay, so if God is a function of vortex, like the mathematical function of vortex at the center of every proton, you've got these subatomic vortexes, you've got the galactic vortex, all these vortexes working in synergy.
01:36:17.000That's my working model of God right now.
01:36:19.000Why is that plausible to you and not what you read in scripture?
01:36:24.000Like, I want to understand where you're.
01:36:37.000The concept of reversing entropy from stopping things from flying away is sort of like a realistic alignment with what I think God's primary directive would be.
01:36:48.000Do you think these spirits could be lying to you?
01:37:09.000So, like, it's not like a thing they were trying to convince him of.
01:37:12.000I was actually surprised by one experience that I had, in which I saw, because I'm not religious, but I saw the reality of Jesus Christ.
01:37:19.000Like, I saw, like, oh, that's for real.0.69
01:37:22.000But then I understood the hierarchy to be that basically all the DMT beings and things like this is basically a management company.
01:37:28.000They're kind of like working under the architect, the God, and they're executing realities.
01:37:34.000But I think there's specifically to a question is why this is more salient than anything else.
01:37:39.000It has to do with direct experience of it.
01:37:41.000So, just like it sounds like you're a Christian, right?
01:37:45.000So, just like my wife grew up Catholic.
01:37:48.000So, when I asked her about prayer, she explained to me, she said, I said, how do you, she said, when she prays, she feels a different kind of a feeling in the body that she can only attribute to something divine.
01:37:59.000And I asked her one time, because I never had that, I said, but how do you know, just like you asked him, but how do you know that it's not just like the difference between different good feelings in your body?
01:38:08.000She's like, well, how do you know the difference between sad and happy?
01:38:22.000So after you do this a few times, you go, whoa, whoa, what's going on?
01:38:25.000And I know that some Christians, they feel something in their bodies when they feel the Holy Spirit or whatever.
01:38:30.000That sometimes Christians feel like when they're explaining someone to people who never had that, they rely on logical explanations as to why they believe.
01:38:40.000But the reality of it is that that's not why you believe.
01:38:42.000You believe because you feel it strongly.
01:38:53.000I'm going to call it God blindness as a way to explain the phenomenon where there are people who can't feel the presence of God or the Holy Spirit or whatever it may be.
01:39:02.000And because they can't, they assume no one else can either.
01:39:15.000Even when a billion people say there's red, you've got billions of people saying there's God, and there are people who still don't believe it.
01:39:20.000But I'm an example of that not being the case, right?
01:39:24.000Like, I consider myself agnostic and I completely believe that other people have these experiences and have relationships with God.
01:39:34.000I've never had it, and that's why I consider myself agnostic.
01:39:37.000I grew up as a Catholic, went to church and stuff like that.
01:39:40.000But I don't have, I've never had that, like, exactly what you're articulating about, Ian.
01:40:17.000Some Christians absolutely just kind of rely on hearsay to, to, well, you've never had that feeling where like.0.63
01:40:25.000You're basked in the glory of God, and He imbues within you the righteous fire of holy retribution to destroy the degenerates and the immoral.
01:40:44.000I mean, I describe it in a funny way, but certainly I believe that you, Phil, especially, have felt the presence or some overwhelming energy within you that has driven you to righteousness and good against.
01:41:37.000From what I understand, both from Christians, because that has so many elements in it that is sinful, just from listening to Christians talk.1.00
01:44:51.000Because we, all of us, will taint the message through our form, and all the spirits will do that too.
01:44:56.000And that's why, as Christians, we believe God gave us His word.
01:44:59.000So, if anything you are hearing from these spirits or any voice in your head, whatever, you know, experience with the Holy Spirit, if it contradicts God's word, then it's not from God.
01:45:11.000But are you saying the Christian Bible?
01:47:11.000A person who has never seen glass before can't tell you truly, objectively, what it is.
01:47:16.000When you read a book that asserts things, you will decide based on the logical pathways and the things you've experienced whether you believe it to be true or not.
01:47:25.000You could tell me something and I could decide to believe it to be true.
01:48:25.000But saying that I'm having a hard time proving something that happened 2,000 years ago doesn't lend credence to another 2,000 year old theory.
01:49:00.000When he makes a claim and you ask for proof, he should be able to provide that proof.
01:49:05.000That's why I asked you a separate question Do you believe in Alexander the Great?
01:49:09.000We'll table that until after I get to the point.
01:49:11.000I am making a philosophical point that when you ask him to prove the history of Jesus Christ, which he should answer the resurrection, we pause.
01:49:55.000And people would say that you're derailing because we're talking about the resurrection of Christ.
01:49:58.000I think you're getting emotional because you don't believe in the resurrection.
01:50:01.000Because we only have 10 more minutes and I want to find the answer about the resurrection.
01:50:04.000So instead of getting angry, right, you can say, I believe in Alexander the Great, and the point to be made stops when I say prove it, and you can't.
01:50:17.000Okay, let's please forget about Alexander the Great for a minute.
01:50:20.000I want to talk about the resurrection and the claim.
01:50:28.000The prerequisite to this conversation is that nothing he can say will change your mind.
01:50:35.000Look, the battles Alexander fought, the men he fought with, the stories of his lineage, the apostles of Jesus, the stories that we're talking about a resurrection of a human body versus a guy's existence.
01:50:45.000I've given you some evidence of Alexander's existence.
01:50:48.000Now you give me some evidence of the resurrection of a human body from the dead.
01:51:41.000I was going to find out how many books were these 500 people from?
01:51:45.000How many different books of these 500 people?
01:51:47.000Josephus, historians, just all of I mean, I can't list off all 500 witnesses, but historians who have studied this know, you know, have all the records.
01:52:24.000But I hear you talking about the spiritual world, like that you've accessed the spiritual world.
01:52:29.000And so, I'm just curious why, because I can't see that.
01:52:35.000But you want me to accept that that world exists.
01:52:38.000And I do believe that that world exists.
01:52:40.000I just think you're interfacing with demons.
01:52:43.000And they're lying to you about the nature of reality.
01:52:45.000Well, that goes to the point that I was trying to make before, which I think is a bridge between this, because the argument about that I actually think is not really relevant to the felt presence of Jesus that is available now.
01:52:58.000Like, for example, if you say all the right things about Jesus and you say that you believe in everything, but the thing that is operating within you is not aligned with that level of spirit, then it doesn't matter what you say you believe.
01:53:11.000In the same way, somebody who never heard about Jesus.
01:53:15.000But internally is aligned with the way of the Holy Spirit.
01:53:17.000And, like, just like you clearly see there's like a moral behavior emanating from them, then even if they've never heard about Jesus, they're obviously either you believe that Jesus will come to them in the last moment.
01:53:28.000There's something about the immediate moment right here, right now, that the argument doesn't really capture.
01:53:33.000Like, because I know that the argumentation goes forever in the world, but I don't feel that that's where the information is.
01:53:39.000The answer to your question, I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who never believed in God and then had a direct experience of it and.
01:53:48.000Like this, went, oh, no argumentation needed, because you now have the direct experience of it.
01:54:12.000You will try and align your vessel in such a way that you will be a better discerner of the true nature of whatever it is.
01:54:18.000There's a difference between being in the presence of an angel.
01:54:21.000And being in the presence of a demon, it feels even if they're trying to fool you, if you're calibrated, you know there's a Satan is called the angel of light, though.
01:54:53.000But if Jesus was the one true way and these entities that you're interacting with, they're okay with you believing that there's this impersonal God, that the God is the universe.
01:55:24.000So, God for them is as far for them as, yeah.
01:55:27.000So, are you looking to them as a source of knowledge?
01:55:30.000But I'm interacting with more than just the DMT entities.
01:55:33.000Like, me personally, I've kind of been to realms and which what you would call like heavenly realms, like, seen the like how it operates and all that stuff.
01:55:42.000And I'm not saying that I've been shown heaven, but I've definitely seen the big difference between demonic realms and it's very clearly different.
01:55:51.000So, would you say because of your experiences, you reject the claims of Christianity that it is, that is, you heard me say this?
01:57:08.000His anger is gone, his concern is gone.
01:57:11.000Without a doubt, his change for the better.
01:57:14.000And one time I was just kind of sharing and I mentioned this and I saw his energy just goes, and I was like, okay, I was like, okay, there's a horizon of relevance here and we crossed it.
01:57:23.000There's no reason to talk about that because it's not relevant for him or for his alignment with Jesus and for a better path.
01:57:30.000So I kind of now picked these conversations carefully under what I would consider a more kind of like, you know, scrupulous and also much more like dialed in.
01:57:40.000Question of why are we why do we care right now if it helps us to live a better wake?
01:57:47.000Great, if it's just for the intellectual entertainment and we acknowledge that, awesome.
01:57:52.000If it starts sliding into like a, I don't think Jesus wants us to fight about his nature, so that's that's when I kind of like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:58:01.000That's I think one of the most important things we could do as a civilization, which is a bold ask, is earliest ages possible in schools, we should be teaching children about the philosophy of knowledge and meditation.
01:58:15.000Regardless of what you believe about Jesus, it's the immediate, it's like a muscle.
01:58:20.000It's your ability to actually just disengage from whatever external conditions are, and you can actually take in the neutrality of the moment.
01:58:28.000And from there, it's a lot easier to make the.
01:58:35.000The point is, we have a lot of political fervor in this country that's rooted in a complete disconnect between basic philosophy, which humans have.
01:58:47.000Studied and understood and mapped out over thousands of years.
01:58:50.000And it's fascinating when you were talking a moment ago about the discovery of air.
01:58:54.000Most people take for granted that humans had to discover air existed because we're taught from children that there is a gaseous medium for which we exist in an atmosphere.
01:59:07.000You can feel wind, I guess, but they did not know it was physical matter that took space until some dude filled up a little thing with water and was like, yo, if I put my thumb over the back, the water won't go in because something's blocking it.
01:59:25.000So, what happens is there are people who are so sure they know everything because they read it, and therefore the authority dictates.
01:59:36.000But they've not contemplated the sources.
01:59:39.000They've not contemplated whether or not someone else could be right.
01:59:43.000And for humans, we go through these phases where, for survival, for be it evolutionary reasons or just intrinsic human behavior, whatever your belief is.
01:59:55.000When we're about 24 years old, our worldview has solidified.
01:59:58.000It's incredibly difficult, if not impossible, for someone to change their worldview.
02:00:03.000People will undergo panic attacks and feel rage when their worldview is challenged.
02:00:25.000Humans lock in our behavior, our routines and patterns from up to about 24 years old to maximize the success of living and reproducing.
02:00:35.000But something happens interestingly in middle age, why men have a midlife crisis.
02:00:41.000It's that humans that maintained strict rigidity to these patterns indefinitely could not adapt and would eventually die.
02:00:50.000And so something happens in our 40s where the mind reopens, typically among men, and they seek out new things and they change their behaviors.
02:01:00.000It's because, evolutionary theory, humans that opened their mind in midlife were more likely to succeed based on the changes of the world around them.
02:01:10.000So there has to be an ebb and a flow, a rigidity followed by an openness followed by a rigidity.
02:01:28.000So there's an importance in maintaining.
02:01:31.000Your definitive view of what is and what should be.
02:01:35.000But this results in political conflict, especially in such a large and populous planet.
02:01:40.000That I believe that if people were taught from a very young age the philosophy of knowledge, that is, to question why it is you think something is true and what evidence do you have for it, weigh that evidence against what you believe and then make the best decision based on this, which means often listening to lunatics who have wild theories that probably don't make sense at all.
02:02:05.000But we want to at least hear where we may be wrong sometimes to consider whether our knowledge is rooted in fact or whether we've been deceived.
02:02:14.000Now, the reason why I conclude typically that reality is a right wing bias, as it's described today, is because you'll find that it is typical of the left to reject outside concepts or arguments.
02:02:28.000And it is typical of the right to seek out arguments from their opposition.
02:02:34.000He sought to debate these ideas, which means one side is more likely to consider when they may be wrong, and one side is more likely to reject any information which threatens their worldview.
02:02:45.000Young people understanding that the only thing we know is that we know nothing, and to question why it is you believe something may or may not be true, would result, in my opinion, with a larger density of inquisitive individuals who are less fervent.
02:03:00.000So when someone comes out and says, I believe we should implement this tax, they don't go, What?
02:03:18.000You're very likely to be wrong, and the truth awaits.
02:03:21.000You are going to be much more calm about these political circumstances.
02:03:25.000You'll get substantially less angry about them.
02:03:27.000And a society that is more inquisitive and willing to accept that they are incorrect is more likely to be stoic, pragmatic, and successful.
02:04:16.000If you guys want to throw in at least one or two questions, because I know we kind of just went way over time, we'll just get a little bit, few minutes in.
02:04:22.000I also want to stress a couple things.
02:04:25.000With the anniversary of the murder of Charlie Kirk, as well as 9 11, the entirety of the news cycle is dominated by memorial.
02:04:33.000And there's absolutely a time and place for all of that.
02:04:36.000And I think some of these have been absolutely fantastic the stories of the heroes of 9 11 and all that stuff.
02:04:41.000So we kind of just went freeform with it, opening up with what the news we had was, and then just rolled with the conversation.
02:04:46.000So I know there's a lot of people that are like, I hate it when you get conversational.
02:04:49.000We tend to do it on Fridays when there's nothing big in the news cycle and we're going to hang out and have these conversations.
02:04:55.000But, uh, Here's a really great question for everybody.
02:04:58.000We'll try and get one more after this.
02:05:10.000I was on my living room futon, waking up to my mom turning the news on because the first tower got hit and watching in real time as the second plane hit.
02:05:22.000I think I was watching on CNN, I'm not sure.
02:05:25.000And then my mom going, Oh, my God, we're under attack.
02:05:31.000I was after a night shift at an airport, funny enough, on the other side of the world, because I lived actually in Israel back then.
02:05:38.000And I remember the first one hit, and I was after a night shift, so I was half asleep and heard that in the news and the TV behind me.
02:05:45.000And even though it's insane, the first thought I had was like, oh, it's kind of like, you know, the Empire State got hit with a plane like a few decades before.
02:08:15.000But to your point, that was the first time in my life when I was like, this is something that you read about in comic books or see in movies.
02:08:26.000Entire skyscrapers fall into the ground.
02:09:22.000And I think that's from the molten steel, the rivers of molten steel that maintain for weeks after the collapse of the buildings, which indicates like the nanothermite that melted the steel that they found in the dust.
02:09:32.000It's just such a jet fuel can melt the beams then, huh?
02:09:35.000No, apparently it was thermite that melted the steel beams.
02:09:47.000And not enough people know the name of Rick Rascorla.
02:09:50.000He was an employee, I believe, at Morgan Stanley.
02:09:53.000And he had anticipated, as one of their heads of security, I think he was the head of security, that they needed a plan in the event of a terror attack because we had had one in the early 90s.
02:10:14.000At 8 46 a.m. on the morning of September 11th, When American Airlines Flight 11 struck the North Tower, Raskorla heard the explosion and saw the tower burning from his office window on the 44th floor of the South Tower.
02:10:25.000When a Port Authority announcement came over the PA urging people to stay at their desks before UA Flight 175 struck, Raskorla, so this is, was it like 15 minutes, about 20 minutes?
02:10:37.000Raskorla ignored the announcement, grabbed his bullhorn walkie talkie and cell phone, and began systematically ordering the roughly 2,700 Morgan Stanley employees in the South Tower to evacuate.0.98
02:10:48.000In addition to the employees in World Trade Center 5 numbering about 1,000, while watching the news coverage in a phone call to his best friend, Dan Hill, Where Skorla said, The dumb sons of bitches told me not to evacuate.0.98
02:11:05.000He directed people down a stairwell from a bottleneck on the 44th floor, keeping them away from elevators while telling them to remain calm.
02:11:12.000He had boosted morale among his men in Vietnam by singing Cornish songs from his youth, and now he did the same in the stairwell.
02:11:18.000Between songs, he called his wife, telling her, Stop crying.
02:11:20.000I have to get these people out to safety.
02:11:22.000If something should happen to me, I want you to know I've never been happier.
02:11:30.000After successfully evacuating almost all of Morgan Stanley's 2,700 employees, he went back into the building.
02:11:37.000When one of his colleagues told him he too had to evacuate, Raskorla replied, As soon as I make sure everyone else is out.
02:11:44.000He was last seen in the 10th floor of the South Tower heading upward shortly before it collapsed at 9 59 a.m. 56 minutes after being struck by UA Flight 175, a total of 13 Morgan Stanley employees died in the September 11th attacks, including Raskorla.
02:12:00.000His deputies, Wesley Mercer and Jorge Velasquez, and security guard Godwin Ford, who had stayed behind to help others.
02:12:09.000Raskorla was declared dead three weeks after the attacks.
02:12:11.000Although medical examiners continued to identify victims of the attacks from recovered remains as late as September of 2021, none of those have been identified as Raskorla.
02:12:23.000The number of people that were heroes that day can't be overstated.
02:12:30.000I remember after the The right after the attacks and after the buildings fell, Fox News and some of the other news channels were saying there could be as many as 20,000 people that lost their lives.
02:12:42.000And the 3,000 people that lost their lives, it was an absolute tragedy.
02:12:48.000But without people like Rick, it would have been scores more.
02:12:51.000This is just, I think people need to understand.
02:12:54.000It's not just, I don't mean to only single him out from all the other heroes.
02:12:57.000There's a story that's going viral of the man in the bandana who was, you know, they found his name was 24 and he was running back and forth to get people out.
02:14:21.000But the stories and the one thing that you can take from this horrifying moment on 9 11 was that it forced out in the most vile of ways all of the goodness that man represents.
02:14:37.000And that's why I love this guy's story the defiance.0.99
02:14:41.000The sons of bitches, I'm getting my people out.1.00
02:16:35.000I worked there for a month and a half.
02:16:37.000Every Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday night from 12, 6 p.m. to 6 a.m., I worked a thousand feet away from the pile.
02:16:44.000It looked like an amusement park, but it was catastrophic.
02:16:47.000It was smoky and it smelled like graham crackers.
02:16:51.000And they then soon after they started telling us, well, you have to wear an air mask when you're down here.
02:16:55.000And most people didn't because who wanted to sit there for 12 hours with an air mask on in the American Express building with blown out windows?
02:17:01.000And I'm like, why are the windows blown out?
02:17:03.000I guess that's what happens when a building falls down.
02:17:05.000Then I find later, whoa, maybe there are explosions propulsing stuff outside of the trade centers, blowing the windows out of the neighboring buildings.
02:17:12.000It's a we're at the end of the show, not at the beginning, but my God, transforming moment.
02:17:17.000Why did they tell people to stay put to prevent mayhem?
02:17:20.000Well, like, what's the but, yes, but at first the speculation was this may have been an accident, a pilot error.
02:17:26.000No one expected a second plane to strike the other building.
02:17:30.000So there were many people who were just like, Glad I'm not over there.
02:17:32.000And the building had never come from the fires.
02:18:09.000Because the people behind are shoving as hard as they can, and the people are just smashed, so you can't breathe, and then you just die.
02:18:15.000And to that point, no skyscraper had ever fallen from an office fire, so they didn't have a reason to think a plane was going to knock it down.
02:18:22.000They were like, just chill, it's the World Trade Center, you're going to be fine, we're going to put out the fires, and everyone's going to be fine.
02:18:26.000I think it was a B 25 hit the Empire State Building or something.
02:18:29.000Yeah, that's what I thought it was when I heard the first one being.
02:18:32.000People were like, the building didn't burn down, didn't fall down.
02:18:35.000And for a lot of people, they were like, look, once they start clearing, like, you're going to be trapped up there for a little bit, but we'll get it fixed, and then an hour later.