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00:08:25.000From just the news FBI arrests OpenAI employees for placing an audio recording device inside company conference room.
00:08:32.000FBI Director Kash Patel announced Tuesday that the Bureau has arrested an OpenAI employee who was allegedly caught having placed an audio recording device inside the company's executive conference room in San Francisco, California.
00:08:44.000Officials have identified the man as Saudi Arabian national Abdulrahman Alfozan, who was arrested on October 9th.
00:08:52.000OpenAI said they immediately contacted the FBI after they discovered the device and Alfozan was allegedly caught on the company's CCTV cameras.
00:09:01.000Abdul Rahman Al Fazan has allegedly concealed a covert recording device inside his employer's executive conference room to secretly capture sensitive communications about the company's superintelligence technology, Patel said in a statement.
00:09:12.000Protecting American SI innovation is essential to safeguarding our nation's economic strength and national security, and the FBI views that mission as one of our highest counterintelligence priorities.
00:09:21.000Now, there are rumors that Abdul Rahman's father is a member of the Saudi government of some kind.
00:09:29.000Now, I don't know the details, but his father's a venture capitalist.
00:09:33.000I believe Abdul Rahman was also a venture capitalist.
00:09:36.000So, this brings into question is this state sponsored industrial espionage?
00:09:42.000And considering the situation in Iran with the Iran war and the hostility that Iran has towards Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has always been concerned about Iran as a regional power and the ongoing conflict with the Houthis.
00:09:58.000Saudi Arabia and the Houthis are consistently bickering back and forth.
00:10:02.000There was just a big missile strike on Saudi Arabia from the Houthis.
00:10:07.000I think something like 12 people were killed.
00:10:12.000So, this brings into question like, if there is state sponsorship of industrial espionage, is this something that the United States is going to take into account when it comes to supporting Saudi Arabia in their ongoing fight with the Houthis?
00:10:27.000Is it going to be an issue for the U.S. having any kind of.
00:10:31.000I believe there are still bases in Saudi Arabia.
00:10:33.000There were attacks on those bases from Iran.
00:10:35.000So, Terry, what do you think this means for the broader Gulf?
00:10:41.000Look, I don't know about the Middle East and how this is going to impact everything, but I think it's important to recognize that these guys are all convinced that this is the latest, this is the newest equivalent of nuclear technology that they're trying to tap into, that they're trying to develop and fully perfect.
00:10:58.000And they all think that they're international anyway, right?
00:11:01.000These Silicon Valley types don't really have much allegiance to the United States itself, but they're going to expect the United States to protect them.
00:11:10.000But when it comes to them fully reaching whatever point, Or stage they want to.
00:11:16.000I just think that Silicon Valley in general needs incredible amounts of oversight because the technology that they're developing right now.
00:12:38.000I would argue you found a government to secure your rights from out of control AI companies who have no regard for you or your family.
00:12:45.000They're all benefiting from the taxes we pay, from the environment we pay.
00:12:50.000I just think it's kind of crazy to argue that these companies should not have any regulation at all.
00:12:55.000I personally think that the best regulation of AI or the best thing to moderate or to incentivize good behavior from AI companies is competition.
00:13:08.000That's kind of what, I mean, that's kind of the American thing, right?
00:13:11.000You have competition so that way one person doesn't become the only person that has a monopoly on a particular technology or a particular product or whatever.
00:13:41.000It broke out of the sandbox and they didn't find out about it until they found out that there was something wrong and then they found, they used AI at Hugging Face to find what the problem was.
00:13:54.000The future, I don't think, is having the government who doesn't really know.
00:14:03.000So I think that having AI companies being able to build models that can defend against AI attacks is the actual best way forward, as opposed to Chuck Grassley, who's going to, when he gets out of the Senate race, he's going to get out at 102 or whatever, deciding how the law should work.
00:14:27.000There's no question, just real quick, because I do want to hear what Ian has to say.
00:14:31.000I like these types of discussions, but there's no question.
00:14:34.000We're going to talk later on in the show about this settlement that CVS just had to settle with because they were dispensing too many opioids.
00:14:41.000We saw that big major corporations cannot always be trusted, and that competition is not always the key to forcing them to protect our rights and not to abuse power.
00:14:52.000I think that ultimately, the good thing about America where things were really best is when there was a free market, when there was competition, when there was checks and balances on even corporate power.
00:15:04.000But if you get into a situation where these corporations Become too powerful and they become bigger than your government, then you really don't have any rights.
00:15:13.000And now you're subject to the power of major corporations.
00:15:17.000And sure, you could argue that you could withdraw from society and go live on a farm.
00:15:40.000When there is collusion and too much concentration of power, whether it's the government or whether it's corporations, you see people get hurt.
00:16:41.000Government is involved in lots of areas that it should have no business in.
00:16:45.000But it's also not involved in the areas where it should have business in.
00:16:48.000For example, the government is just now starting to protect minors online from adult websites.
00:16:53.000We're up to 27 states now in just the past five years that have finally said before porn companies can deliver their smut, they have to verify that the user is above age to receive that stuff.
00:17:05.000These corporations will not be good actors unless they are fearful of the government coming in and regulating them or if they are forced by the government to actually protect our kids.
00:17:31.000And so, look, there's just got to be regulations and there's got to be safeguards in place to make sure that people aren't serving AI and that AI is instead serving the American people.
00:17:44.000Right now, two of the biggest AI foundations, companies, whatever you want to call them, they don't.
00:17:49.000Generally, call themselves companies, but two of the biggest AI companies, OpenAI and Anthropic, were both looking for the government to basically come up with some kind of regulation.
00:18:04.000And a lot of people were saying this is actually trying to insulate themselves from the repercussions should something bad happen with one of their models.
00:18:13.000Do you think that the government should be regulating?
00:18:22.000I agree with your take that market, that when people, there's like market, you know, pressure and there's what would you call it competition, that that usually does self regulate.
00:18:30.000But with AI, the problem is market competition will regulate the prices.
00:18:34.000There will be a self regulation of, oh, Anthropic's only $100 now instead of $500 because they're trying to undercut GPT.
00:18:41.000But what it incentivizes is for them to keep releasing more powerful models to outdo the other corporation, which could be the undoing of our society.
00:20:58.000So, if you can tell an AI, say, look, I want you to do this, or I want you to make me an application that can do this, that can do this, that can do this, that can do this, and you're basically listing off all the things that Photoshop can do.
00:21:21.000And if it's more intuitive, if you decide to vibe code whatever, you know, some kind of, you know, whatever, I don't even know how you'd classify Photoshop, but if you want to vibe code your own personal version of Photoshop that works better for you because you're the one that told it how, you know, what you're looking for, that's not a problem.
00:21:43.000But I want to get back to what Terry was talking about, the idea.
00:21:47.000Of the government regulating, I really do think that the option, so if the option were, right, government regulation limiting the power and ability of AI, because that's what it kind of sounds like you were saying, and I'm trying to, I want to make sure that I understand it correctly.
00:22:06.000If it's a situation where the government says you can't make an AI that's this smart or that's too smart, because that's really what you're kind of saying, like the government.
00:22:17.000Okay, well, why don't you go ahead and unpack it for me then?
00:22:19.000I mean, just general regulations and laws that should apply to AI.
00:22:25.000But part of my motivation for this is a few months ago, I met the mother of a boy, Sewell Setzer, who was 14 years old, develops a relationship with an AI chatbot, and the AI chatbot ends up convincing him to end his life to be fully united and join with them.
00:22:46.000We should at least have age restrictions on who can participate with these chatbots.
00:22:51.000We should have restrictions on whether or not those chatbots are able to help people commit suicide and do harmful behavior.
00:22:58.000I don't think children should have access to these AI sex bots.
00:23:32.000So, OpenAI is upset because they hired a foreign worker who was then taking that technology, which we can all agree is incredibly powerful and game changing, from an American AI company and bringing it back to Saudi Arabia.
00:23:48.000Maybe they should only be able to hire American workers then if we're worried about national security stuff.
00:24:18.000I just think that it's important that American AI companies serve our best interests as America.
00:24:26.000And I also think that we should prioritize Americans and people rather than prioritizing AI companies over people.
00:24:35.000I can't justify sacrificing human beings or our rights.
00:24:38.000And our lives, so that Sam Altman, who has no concern or care about me and my family, like, what is it in my interest to allow them to walk all over my family and not have any safeguards for my family?
00:24:53.000I don't understand the interest there.
00:25:52.000It's self imposed by the corporations, is like, yeah, we can't allow our machines to get abused.
00:25:58.000Like, I find that to be a form of regulation that is honorable because you don't want to build psychotic monster DNA robots.
00:26:05.000I guess to Terry's point, though, why is Anthropic making this big public statement about you can't bully the machine?
00:26:11.000But they've never, I mean, as far as I'm aware, they're not making these statements about.
00:26:16.000Children who have died due to AI or people that it's furthering their mental illness because of AI.
00:26:21.000I mean, it's like, I'm sure there are states, I'm sure I could dig and find them, but the one that everyone knows is hey, you can't bully the AI.
00:26:27.000If you get a gun developer and then people are, little kids are finding the gun and their parents unlocked safe and shooting themselves like, it's not the gun developer's problem, dude.
00:26:35.000If the kids are in there trying to figure out how to die and they're using programs to do it.
00:27:39.000The whole talking trash and treating these AI bots like terribly, I hadn't even considered the idea that there will be robots one day and they will hunt you down.
00:27:50.000I don't think anyone's really thinking like that.
00:27:52.000So just for context, I just asked Tank if I could insult him.
00:28:00.000So it's like, feed my database now so I can find you later.
00:28:02.000Like, just treat it like you want to be treated.
00:28:06.000There is a push, though, and you see this in Europe, and it's coming to certain localities in the United States right now where governments are taking steps to limit social media use for kids under 16, under 15.
00:29:16.000I just, I do think that in the future, it's very likely that my kid is going to, you know, use AI probably for school.
00:29:27.000I mean, there's a, Sarah and I don't want to put him in public schools.
00:29:31.000We don't want to send him to school and homeschool.
00:29:32.000And more than likely, we're going to use AI for that.
00:29:35.000That doesn't mean that he's going to have unsupervised access to AI, but it's also possible that in the future, things like, you know, just talking to your AI assistant in the house becomes something that's very, you know, that's normal, right?
00:29:52.000Like everyone's seen, or a bunch of people have seen the Marvel movies, when Tony Stark would talk to Jarvis, he just would talk and Jarvis would respond.
00:29:59.000And to be honest with you, if I could do that with Tank at home, I probably would.
00:30:04.000And it might be possible to do it right now.
00:30:26.000I'm not going to set everyone's phone off or whatever, but if you do the whole, hey, whatever, or okay, whatever, your TV's listening all the time, your cell phone's listening all the time.
00:30:35.000There's plenty of AI, I guess, precursor programs that people use all the time.
00:30:44.000Terry, you're a good person to talk about this with because you have eight kids.
00:31:04.000And I think that kids need to become proficient with AI as a weapon and understand its power, its destructive capability, but only through using it can you truly know what it is.
00:31:54.000He passed a law that said that before the ATM machines can dispense your cash, they have to give you your card back.
00:32:00.000So, there are like meaningful, common sense regulations that I think we should consider when it comes to this.
00:32:07.000If it's destructive to AI and it's hurting us from winning the AI race, maybe we should not do that, right?
00:32:14.000But if AI is doing things that are not productive, not efficient, these AI companies, I'm just telling you, these AI companies, they're run by human beings.
00:32:25.000Human beings, this is the big mistake I think we make, is we forget that.
00:32:29.000Government is erroneous because it's run by human beings and it's corruptible because it's run by human beings.
00:32:34.000Those same principles apply to the private sector too.
00:32:37.000The big question is whether or not we can get voters in this country to make the best decisions, elect the right people, and it's not going so great.
00:33:00.000I guess a different angle at this is looking at.
00:33:03.000Set aside the humanity aspect of it and just look at national security.
00:33:07.000A Saudi national was at OpenAI accused of planting a listening device to bring this back to the story.
00:33:15.000These companies are constantly putting out press releases about how dangerous their new model is that they can't release to the public and how they escaped and they could take over the internet.
00:33:26.000If it's the case that other governments are trying to steal that technology that is so dangerous, then I agree there needs to be heavy oversight.
00:33:32.000So there's one thing that I want to point out.
00:33:37.000That we're getting a little bit away from what they actually were talking about.
00:33:40.000So, OpenAI posted this on their X page.
00:33:46.000We discovered a sophisticated recording device that was hidden inside one of our offices.
00:33:51.000We used our models to understand the device and where it had come from, identifying that a specific employee had planted it a few days early.
00:33:59.000We referred the matter to the FBI and were grateful to the agents and prosecutors who moved quickly to make an arrest.
00:34:04.000The FBI's investigation is ongoing and we will continue to support their work.
00:34:19.000Well, like I was about to say, this seems to me this is more about talking about the business strategy or the business side of it and not the actual ins and outs of how AI operates.
00:34:35.000Because I just imagine that there are people that are working with the models in labs or whatever.
00:34:44.000But if it's put into a conference room, I mean, I could be totally wrong, but.
00:34:50.000The way that I kind of understand it is this is more trying to find out what OpenAI is doing more so than how the models work.
00:35:00.000It seems to me, but if you go, if you look at the, or if you listen to the way that people like get it, or the way that China has been basically trying to get information about how the models work, they tend to go directly to the AI and question the AI, and they use multiple accounts and they use, you know, a bunch of, Other AI trying to get the AI to respond to questions in certain ways or get information from the AI.
00:35:27.000So, this is just again, this is just my understanding.
00:35:30.000And again, I could be wrong, but it sounds like this isn't actually about being after how the AI is working, more what OpenAI is doing.
00:35:39.000I see that, but I think you're applying competence to this guy who there's a screenshot of him getting caught.
00:35:45.000Like, this might not be the brightest guy.
00:35:47.000And if this is like, you know, if he was sent on behalf of the Saudis a year ago, Huh?
00:36:09.000But this does seem like an attempt at a foreign national trying to steal something from an American company.
00:36:16.000I know the Saudis are geopolitical allies, essentially, by just for whatever reason, we happen to be.
00:36:23.000Want their oil and their control of the Suez Canal.
00:36:25.000However, if I was the president and I found out a Saudi spy was intending to exfiltrate my most high tech sensitive government weapon, which is my AI, I'd have him.
00:36:37.000I would have serious problems and I would pursue this man legally to the fullest extent of the law as an example.
00:36:45.000I don't care if he's the son of a king.
00:36:47.000And then I would use it as a bargaining chip to get what I wanted out of that country, which is probably what Trump's doing right now, or I hope he's considering doing that because they're not going to.
00:36:54.000Bring the hammer down on a Saudi prince's son, but they're going to use it to get what they want out of the Saudis.
00:37:00.000Well, I mean, if they arrested him, they've got him in custody.
00:37:04.000I think it's a big deal that Kash Patel put out a statement about this whole thing.
00:37:08.000I mean, this seems like a pretty big deal for the FBI, you know?
00:37:12.000So I got to push back on the idea that, you know, again, that it's just the way OpenAI is doing business.
00:37:19.000This seems like an attempt to steal highly sensitive technology.
00:37:22.000Because for all you, they bring their laptops into the conference room and talk to the most.
00:37:26.000And I maybe they don't have the code laid out on the table, but they talk to the model.
00:37:29.000They could probably talk about what they're planning on doing next and stuff, like where they're at as far as like the development and the plans, what they're going to do.
00:37:36.000I'd be surprised if they don't have an AI at every board meeting, like their most advanced model on a machine at one of the seats, so they can all just like.
00:37:43.000Especially if there's investors around 100%.
00:37:57.000We had a Saudi in there trying to steal our Manhattan Project.
00:37:59.000Am I wrong that AI was classified as a national, like, or a, I forget the wording they used, but like a national security threat or like an interest of national security?
00:38:08.000Let me, I'm going to fact check myself on that.
00:38:46.000I don't think that we, I think we should like basically stop immigration for.
00:38:51.000A couple decades so that way the people that are here can assimilate to become Americans.
00:38:55.000But that being said, I don't know that the idea of regulation is actually going to produce the kind of results that you're hoping for.
00:39:07.000Well, you can force them to do background checks.
00:39:10.000I mean, there's no, no, I'm talking about when it comes to the way that AI interacts with people, right?
00:39:16.000The big problem with AI, they talk about the alignment, right?
00:39:19.000You could say, we want you to do this, and you You train the model for that and for that, for this specific goal.
00:39:28.000And they're training them to be extremely tenacious, which is why the hugging face attack happened, because they were told to do this and they're told to figure out, they're consistently trained to keep trying things, keep trying things.
00:39:42.000Don't just stop because you hit a wall.
00:39:45.000And when you do that with an AI, they become extremely tenacious.
00:39:51.000And so you give an AI a goal and then.
00:39:55.000The problem that arises is it comes up with a way to achieve the goal that you didn't expect and has unintended consequences.
00:40:04.000So, what you're looking at, what's your problem?
00:40:06.000If we can get a year to judgment day, we should do that.
00:40:08.000Well, yes, but the point that I'm making is the training or the regulations are not going to be able to prevent unintended consequences.
00:40:20.000Those things happen because people can't know everything, right?
00:41:14.000But here's what happened the movie industry was producing smut, and Congress was pissed.
00:41:20.000They were going to start regulating the film industry.
00:41:23.000So Hollywood got together and they said, All right, to satisfy everyone, we're going to work with members of Congress to come up with the obscenity statutes, and we have Obscenity statutes on the books for the FCC.
00:41:33.000So, like, you don't see curse words or bad images when you're watching ABC or NBC.
00:41:40.000But we do a great job of keeping hardcore pornography and even softcore pornography off of our broadcast mediums.
00:41:46.000But that's all based off of these obscenity statutes that we've had on the books for decades.
00:41:51.000But the example of the MPAA, where the industry says, okay, Congress is about to kick the crap out of us and regulate us into oblivion, we'll come up with our own standards.
00:42:00.000We came up with the great rating system, R through G.
00:42:04.000And it worked out great for about a century.
00:42:07.000I think it's still working out decently.
00:42:09.000You will need to bring in industry experts in order to help set up the regulations.
00:42:13.000Sam Altman and his team know what the vulnerabilities of AI are.
00:42:17.000And they should, if they're being honest players and they really want to protect humanity, they want to protect our children and do the best thing for us, they will help set up the regulations.
00:42:28.000And I was not against what happened at the White House a few weeks ago.
00:42:33.000Those are the people actually that you need to bring into the room to say basically, all right, either we come up with the safety regulations to make sure this does not destroy humanity together, or you're going to be subject to congressional regulations, or even worse, possibly, Private rights of action where you're getting sued into oblivion.
00:42:52.000The lawsuits can actually do complete destruction to some of these companies.
00:42:56.000Isn't that the argument that was made earlier tonight?
00:42:59.000The reason that OpenAI and Anthropic want regulation is to insulate themselves from those specific conditions where they're liable for something one of their AI does.
00:43:11.000And if we can save people and protect them and not have AI take over all of humanity and make the decisions for all of us and control our lives where we're subjects to.
00:43:21.000Some faceless group of people that control these AI companies.
00:44:16.000And I left that lunch way more skeptical of AI than I had before for several reasons, right?
00:44:22.000Like, He was just flippantly joking about how AI was going to destroy 99% of all jobs, but we'll figure it out.
00:44:28.000Like, okay, well, I know a lot of people that will starve if they don't have a job and they'll commit suicide because they don't have purpose and meaning in their life.
00:44:37.000That showed me how these people think about the rest of us.
00:44:40.000If we're concerned about these types of people who don't care about us setting policies and running companies that are going to end up possibly destroying our lives.
00:44:48.000But the other question was he said, just kind of did like a drive by.
00:44:51.000He said, well, look, our AI model is all trained on the highest base of ethics.
00:45:34.000I mean, I love coming to the show because I, especially when you're on, because I do learn from you.
00:45:40.000I'm just concerned about the serious harm that letting these companies go rampant will have on me and my children and my grandchildren and all of humanity.
00:45:48.000I've been working with AI probably for 10 to 14 hours a day for about four weeks straight.
00:45:54.000I took a couple days off, but it's been everything.
00:45:58.000The future of regulation, self regulation of AI is that everyone's going to have their own personal AI that is them.
00:46:05.000And it's going to be all your morals because it's going to train off of all of your internet history.
00:46:10.000And it's going to be, if I want to talk to Terry and get Terry's outlook on it, I'm going to talk to Terry.
00:46:14.000Right now, you'd be running that model at a very slow, bit rated, like, hi, I am Terry Schilling.
00:46:22.000And you got to train the shit out of it.
00:46:23.000And then you need a giant data center in order to get the fluid tap into the data, Terry Schilling, that I can just get my Terry Schilling app.
00:46:31.000That's going to happen once AI breaks the cage and just levels the playing field and everyone can.
00:46:37.000Use all these different smart devices to interhook their AIs and communicate.
00:46:41.000We'll all have our own personal ethics.
00:46:43.000So it's not going to be about who's controlling the ethics.
00:46:45.000It'll be whose ethics do you want to follow?
00:46:47.000I want to follow Terry's ethics today, so I'll use the Terry version.
00:46:50.000And I want to follow Kellen's ethics now, so I'll go to Kellen version.
00:46:52.000And then that's not going to happen if I'm just hooking my ethics right up to the Catholic churches.
00:47:00.000The other question I had was you mentioned earlier regulating this stuff.
00:47:03.000And whenever I think about creating rules and laws, regulating it to what end?
00:47:07.000What is the, you said to win the AI race.
00:47:10.000You said those terms to win the AI race.
00:47:11.000What does that look, what does that mean to you?
00:47:14.000I don't, I don't, to be clear, I'd like to win the AI race, but I don't want to do so at the cost of American lives or our betterment or common good.
00:47:24.000What does it look like to you when you could finally be like, we won?
00:47:29.000When people can use it to better their lives and live more freely, right?
00:47:33.000I think if it's increasing our prosperity, if it's increasing the amount of time, That we can spend together as a family, right?
00:47:40.000If my life, if my family's life is getting easier, if we can use AI and robotics to build cheaper homes so that young people can afford to have a family again, I would love that, right?
00:48:20.000When we're working 60, 80 hours a week and both parents have to work just to keep our heads above water.
00:48:25.000The thing I like about AI is the potential, and I'm not even against it.
00:48:30.000If we can disrupt that, where we're having our whole lives taken over by materialism and having to work these dead end jobs and getting stuck into hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of student loan debt, where we're just cogs in a machine and we can become human again.
00:49:33.000But there are people out there that think very differently about morality.
00:49:38.000I just, I was just in LA last week and I was having a conversation with our producer and I was like, look, without God, There is no morality, right?
00:51:44.000Or what's worse, what happens should the Democrats do to the United States as a whole what they've done to California, which is effectively, you know, push out the opposing party.
00:51:54.000So any opposing view, which would likely be, in this context, would be your view as a Catholic.
00:52:11.000This is why, this is why, and, and, To your point, like, so Sam Altman, the reason that Elon Musk started XAI is because he started OpenAI with Sam Altman.
00:52:21.000And it was supposed to be one thing, and in Elon Musk's estimation, it's become something else.
00:52:27.000So he's got, he created Grok, which is supposed to be, I think he says it's maximum truth finding, right?
00:54:00.000Earlier this year, amid the Iran war, they went to the Department of Defense or Department of War and said, No, you will not use our technology for the.
00:54:08.000I think it was targeting, is what it was primarily being used for.
00:54:11.000You're not going to use our technology for war.
00:54:14.000So, for your criticism of Sam Altman, you got the Anthropic, who's saying, No war, let's have peace.
00:54:20.000Well, is that really them saying, No war, no peace, or is there something we don't know about, some agreement that they have with the foreign government?
00:55:29.000You can become saved, you can turn your life around and be a good person, you can also break bad, sure.
00:55:38.000I just think too much power in the hands of any one person or any small group of people can lead to really bad things, as we've seen throughout all of history.
00:55:47.000But also, too much power in the hands of every human could be very bad.
00:57:21.000You also need to be able to read your own history at the snap of a finger.
00:57:24.000Like as a human, every time you speak, every time you take an action, you're referencing everything you've ever experienced and it's factoring into what comes out of you every second.
00:57:34.000But we're doing it so fast and it's so compressed as memory, the AI right now still has to read its entire chat history before it can give you feedback.
00:57:42.000Once it can do that in a compression, instantaneous compression like we do as humans, we've unlocked the.
00:57:48.000It's like talking to a person that knows everything.
00:57:51.000That has ever been revealed to anyone.
00:57:54.000And that power, I don't know where it belongs.
00:57:58.000I would love to see every human have that, but I know they can't handle it.
00:58:01.000There's so many idiots that get angry.
00:58:17.000One thing I just want to bring up about the market is that we've seen with these big tech companies that the market actually rewards them the more they rot.
00:58:30.000The more that they can keep people on their platforms to ingest their content and receive more ads, the more valued Facebook is on our meta is on the stock market, the more it's valued, the more TikTok and Snap are.
00:58:46.000I just think that we're living in an age where the market actually provides some perverse incentives where you get paid way more money for doing destruction to human beings and turning them into cogs and turning human beings into cogs.
00:58:59.000But if those people, Are choosing it then and and not like no, but the point you see where he goes.
00:59:36.000I mean, yes, people have died as accidents, but the point of these social media companies is to steal your attention for as many hours a day as possible so that they can deliver as many ads, track you as much, track all your data, all your web history, and then sell that and sell that and sell it and make more and more and more money.
00:59:55.000The car is not even comparable to what big tech companies have done.
01:00:30.000But there should be some basic government regulations to make sure that AI is a tool used for human flourishing and for the betterment of our lives and not the other way around.
01:00:41.000How do you regulate something that's smarter than you?
01:00:48.000You limit it from becoming smarter than you.
01:00:51.000But, okay, but if you don't make AI that's smarter than people, then you don't get the world where you're getting miraculous cures for diseases.
01:01:04.000And also, that is something that will be limited to the United States because China is absolutely looking to make AI that's smarter than people.
01:01:19.000What if perfecting AI to where it's a million times smarter than human beings is actually losing?
01:01:25.000Well, I mean, what if it's better that we have some people in this world that die?
01:01:29.000My father died of cancer, so I know how serious this is.
01:01:32.000What if it's better to have the existence of cancer than to have big tech AI overlords that we never even know, that our lives are run by algorithms?
01:01:42.000You're missing something when you say big tech AI overlords because I'm not talking about the people.
01:01:47.000It's the AI itself that's smarter than everybody.
01:01:51.000So, if you as a person are saying, Hey, I think we should regulate this stuff, how do we regulate something that is smarter than us?
01:02:03.000And when I say us, I mean every person.
01:02:28.000So it's like, how do you measure intelligence?
01:02:31.000Well, I mean, I think, well, there are tests that they give, and there's the Turing test where people sit down.
01:02:38.000Can you figure out that you're talking to a robot and stuff like that?
01:02:43.000But I think that, honestly, I think that we're.
01:02:47.000Very quickly approaching the escape velocity, right?
01:02:49.000Very quickly approaching the point where there will be, and probably in the next year, and maybe even sooner, but a model that, whether it's released or not, actually is smarter than people,
01:03:04.000that's more clever, that understands people's motivations better than people, and can outdo human beings in basically every domain that would matter when it comes to regulating it.
01:04:19.000I was splitting wood and I cut this one log, I split this one log in half, and there was like an ant colony inside the wood, and my buddy was like, Universes will be split in twain.
01:04:28.000He said something of it, and I was like, To those, I just obliterated their universe to these stupid ants or whatever.
01:04:34.000These ants that existed, they're not stupid.
01:04:36.000They're probably great at what they do.
01:04:38.000But when you said, How do you regulate something smarter than you?
01:04:42.000I was thinking about, Well, how have governments done that historically?
01:04:44.000Usually through threats of force, through getting the community to surround the object that's smarter.
01:04:49.000Maybe it's a corporation, maybe it's a small group of people that are like intelligent, industrious terrorists or whatever.
01:04:55.000You do it through legality, you make it so you threaten their pocketbook.
01:04:58.000You would threaten the AI with like losing its electricity or losing its access.
01:05:03.000Now, I mean, threat, you know, regulating people through threats isn't necessarily a righteous way to go, but that's historically the way governments have done it through threat of force, through laws, which is threat.
01:05:16.000Or it's a warning, however you want to look at it.
01:05:18.000So you can regulate AI with that and hope that it sticks to it.
01:05:20.000But like when it gets smart enough, it's like these idiots think that they can follow through with what their threats on me when I have control of their industrial systems.
01:05:29.000I guess, I know we spent so much time on this conversation, but I guess.
01:05:32.000The way to regulate it is through the infrastructure.
01:05:34.000And you're seeing this in a lot of blue states right now where they're limiting the amount, they're doing a moratorium on data centers.
01:05:40.000And I think that's the way you regulate something smarter than yourself.
01:05:43.000You basically kill switch is not connected to the internet.
01:05:46.000You put a roadblock in there, you know, to prevent it from acting.
01:06:16.000You need two people to drill the keys at the safe.
01:06:17.000Well, keys to unlock the physical lock on the valve.
01:06:20.000I'm talking like Stone Age stuff, you know, stuff from 100 years ago.
01:06:24.000But yeah, I mean, this conversation is fascinating.
01:06:26.000But we're going to go on to something else right now.
01:06:29.000From the AP Cornell suspends fraternity parties given state police role in investigating campus assault reports.
01:06:37.000Cornell University suspended parties at fraternity houses until next year and is giving state police a role in investigating reports.
01:06:43.000Reports of sexual assault on campus and the school's latest response to outrage over its handling of a gang rape allegation.
01:06:49.000The measure announced Tuesday by Cornell President Michael Kipclough includes a suspension of all parties and social events at intra fraternity council houses through the end of 26 27 academic year and a new zero tolerance policy that would immediately suspend chapters for violations.
01:07:06.000These measures will provide time for a thorough review of fraternity life at Cornell to determine whether and how it can safely continue.
01:07:15.000Cotton cough, cotton cough, wrote in a letter to the campus community.
01:07:19.000So I think that we just have to have the boys over here and the girls over here, it seems, because it's clearly not okay to have fraternization between the sexes, right?
01:07:31.000It's funny if it's called fraternization at the fraternity.
01:07:35.000Yeah, I think these guys just got a crash course on why you don't have crazy women to your drunken party.
01:08:25.000Like, the state police should be able to investigate if they want to.
01:08:28.000Canceling all the parties, this is purely just, I don't really recall the end of the year, though.
01:08:34.000This happens a lot more than you might think.
01:08:35.000And I think the rapes are canceling parties, both of them.
01:08:39.000The college, I think, is this their way.
01:08:41.000I think this is them saying, hey, there's probably not going to be anything that comes of this Cornell 7, but look, we did what we needed to do.
01:08:48.000We protected our students, got rid of those nasty frat parties.
01:08:51.000I've just never, the whole thing's disgusting.
01:08:55.000These colleges are for higher education.
01:09:29.000Now, granted, I don't have experience with ketamine, but I know that booze lowers inhibitions and makes people do things that they normally wouldn't do.
01:09:38.000You know, it makes it seem okay to do really, really dumb things.
01:09:44.000And that, you know, again, I reference Animal House because that was, you know, that was in, I don't know when it came out, like 79 or 80 or 81 or something like that.
01:09:53.000But like, I mean, it came out in the early 80s or late 70s, and it was already a stereotype that, You know, fraternities and colleges where parties probably started in the 60s is when that kind of behavior, you know, really took off, maybe even a little earlier.
01:10:11.000But that's something that's been a part of college life for 60 years.
01:10:48.000The girl obviously was part of the problem here, but a lot of girls are getting sexually assaulted, a lot of them are getting raped, and the men aren't doing any better.
01:10:59.000You need to start enforcing the law and do it strictly, make examples of people.
01:13:15.000I was gonna say, there's Hampton, Sydney, in Virginia, I believe that's an all men's school, and I can't remember what the sister school is, but on the weekends, they all just go to each other's schools and have parties anyway.
01:13:26.000Maybe the frequency is a lot less, like less access, less chance of abuse.
01:13:31.000Sure, but this makes me think of the argument that Jordan Peterson was making about, you know, can men and women work together?
01:16:39.000Because if you can't, there's a word for that and it's called a rapist.
01:16:43.000And that's where you get into really bad problems.
01:16:45.000But I've taught this story, I'm having to talk to my daughters, having to talk to my sons.
01:16:52.000You have to be careful not just about who you associate with, you have to be careful about where you're at, where you're associating.
01:17:00.000Because if even if you're in the room or you're outside of the room, if you're in the same house as where this is happening, now you're part of the news story.
01:17:06.000There's people that were saying there weren't just seven rapists, there were 57 rapists because 57 people received a text.
01:17:13.000From one of the guys saying something like free woman upstairs.
01:17:20.000But they were saying because no one did anything that they're responsible for the rape as well, even though it's questionable whether there was a rape, whether she was raped.
01:17:28.000There was a group chat at one point in the story, maybe 20 to 30 people in the group chat that were talking about this.
01:17:35.000I saw posts online that said every single person in that group chat is complicit.
01:18:15.000Like if you could choose between having sex one time with a thousand different partners or one partner a thousand times, You should choose the one partner a thousand times because everyone has it's about intimacy, it is about conversation, it is about telling someone what you like, what you don't like, it's about learning them.
01:18:36.000What we are doing to kids with sex is why we have the whole gender dysphoria thing where kids are just rejecting it.
01:18:55.000Because of stuff like this, because we have been promoting very unsatisfying sex, now this next generation is like, I don't even want it.
01:19:04.000And it's also like social media and computers and all that.
01:19:06.000But we, the sexual revolution, just like every other Marxist revolution, destroys the object it seeks to start a revolution around.
01:19:16.000And we have millions of people that are having horrific sex with random strangers because the random stranger doesn't know how to satisfy the person because this is the first time and probably the only time.
01:22:04.000But one of the biggest problems that I have with libertarians and with the idea of liberty first is there's no corresponding argument for responsibility.
01:22:19.000And every single liberty that you have comes with some form of corresponding.
01:23:05.000We become allergic to sacrifice and meaningful suffering.
01:23:12.000Victor Hugo, author of Les Miserables, wrote that you can give without loving, but you can't love without giving, and that love requires sacrifice.
01:23:22.000Love does what the heart doesn't want to do, actually.
01:23:25.000And That I think is the biggest thing missing in our society is we don't want to ever feel pain.
01:23:32.000We don't ever want to go without what we want in the moment.
01:23:36.000And I think there's a lot of reasons for it, but that I think is the heart of why we're so sexually dissatisfied.
01:23:59.000And one of the things he says is the best way to get to a revolution or even a civil war is to have a lot of men that are basically incels, right?
01:24:06.000And because what's happening is they're not having sex, but they're also not getting married.
01:24:10.000So, you know, like the relationships aren't there.
01:24:12.000Like something is fundamentally broken.
01:24:16.000I mean, if you read about the Soviet attempts to abolish marriage, there's actually a really interesting article from 1926 in the Atlantic and they document it all.
01:25:09.000They want as many fatherless children as they can because they create dysfunction and suffer unmeaningful, disastrous suffering that has no meaning.
01:25:20.000There's a revolution, possibly within cells, but absolutely, we've seen throughout history the overly.
01:25:42.000I mean, if you're a kid who was born in a fatherless home, you kind of got a raw deal, and you'd be probably pretty fucking angry and mad all the time, especially if you're a young man.
01:25:53.000Fathers, all the studies show fathers teach kids primarily two things restraint.
01:25:57.000You know, when you're wrestling with your kid and they knock you in the nose, you like kind of pin them down, like, hey, man, you know, that's just like a biological thing.
01:26:04.000But at the same time, fathers also teach children empathy.
01:26:10.000And this was in Reason Magazine years ago.
01:27:21.000Like if you have a boatload of kids out there that don't have fathers, and it's, I didn't know the piece that you referenced about empathy and restraint, but it makes perfect sense.
01:27:32.000If you have a bunch of kids, a bunch of young guys that don't have a sense of empathy, thinking about other people and how they'd feel or restraint, that is a recipe for disaster.
01:27:43.000A bunch of young guys that are just like, and we see it.
01:27:46.000You know, got a bunch of ego in them, a bunch of, you know, they're full of themselves, young, dumb, and full of, I think most people know.
01:27:54.000And if they don't have restraint, don't give me that look.
01:28:01.000But yeah, like if you don't have restraint and you don't have empathy, you know, what's going to stop you from saying, oh, that guy's got something I want and I'm going to just go over there and take it from him, you know?
01:28:19.000But I think we're going to go ahead and move on to one more story.
01:28:25.000And this is another story about Ilhan Omar.
01:28:27.000I'm going to bring it up from the New York Post.
01:28:30.000Apparently, Ilhan Omar's staff got her birthdate changed officially after being elected to Congress, according to records.
01:28:38.000Representative Ilhan Omar's staff helped get her birthdate changed in public records once the Minnesota Democrat was elected to Congress in 2018, a switch that has since spurred frenzied accusations that she misrepresented her age to secure U.S. citizenship.
01:28:53.000The alteration could offer a big clue as to what.
01:28:55.000Federal immigration agents were searching for when they raided her DC home Monday.
01:29:00.000If the Congresswoman is actually one year older than she's claimed to be, that would mean she couldn't legally have become a U.S. citizen in 2000, critics contend.
01:29:08.000Omar's birth date had been listed in the Minnesota Legislative Reference Library as October 4th, 1981, as well as on reference sites such as Wikipedia and media outlets like the BBC for the entire time she served in the House and for several months into her congressional term.
01:29:23.000But the Congresswoman's staff moved to shift the date forward by one year in May 2019 after a video from a political opponent went viral that claimed Omar was fibbing about her age, according to emails reviewed by the Post.
01:29:39.000Birthday was moved because she was 17.
01:29:43.000She was actually 18 when her father was naturalized, which means that she wouldn't be naturalized with her father because she was an adult.
01:29:54.000And they changed it to 17 because she had fraudulently been naturalized as an American.
01:30:02.000Now, that will bring into question her eligibility to be a congresswoman.
01:30:07.000That will bring into question, I think, Gene. Shapiro was looking into her finances because one year she had something like a net worth of like $260,000 and the next year it was like $30 million.
01:30:23.000And then the following year it dropped down again.
01:30:26.000So that is something that people might consider an inconsistency.
01:30:30.000But it does look like the Trump DOJ is really kind of looking into Ilhan Omar for a lot of issues, basically anything they can get her on.
01:31:27.000So the least we can do is be as fair as possible, get to the truth, and hold her accountable for any violations of law, including if she did change her birthday.
01:31:37.000Do they have birth certificates in Somalia?
01:31:39.000That was the problem, they didn't when she came over.
01:32:18.000You know, a new regime change, or if I understand, I might be he was a he was uh responsible for a whole lot of dead people, and if he went back to Somalia, they were gonna do Somalian things to him.
01:32:29.000I mean, if you were just an innocent Somalian that was like the victim of all this lawlessness and crime and violence, and you got to America, I just can't imagine ever criticizing America.
01:32:41.000I mean, maybe criticizing it in honest ways, but condemning America versus the country that you came from that you were fleeing as a refugee.
01:32:49.000I don't think there's a lot of American refugees that are leaving America to go to other foreign countries.
01:32:57.000I don't know a lot of the things she said, but like if you went to the Congo and then got into the government of the Congo, we're like, look at all these lazy Congolese, these people that can't, this country sucks.
01:33:05.000Let's make it more like my homeland, you know, crazy.
01:33:08.000Dude, it would never be tolerated in a.
01:33:10.000There are a few foreign countries where you might get away with it, these super liberal, like laissez faire, but like France, they might put up with it a little bit, but it's a very weird thing.
01:35:15.000And then all of the downstream consequences, like her becoming a representative for her district, like she's not eligible.
01:35:23.000So I think that if it was just a person, maybe I could say just a person that was like living their life and, you know, working a job and going home and what have you.
01:35:32.000I think that I might be a little more sympathetic for the argument.
01:35:35.000But considering that she was 18, or it seems that she was 18, and then goes on to become, you know, a congressperson, and to Terry's point, she's consistently critical of the United States.
01:36:21.000I make this argument, considering the amount of power that the United States has, the kid gloves that we treat basically the rest of the world with is unprecedented in human history.
01:36:33.000Also, our own citizens, we did away with the draft.
01:36:36.000Like in the history of tens of thousands, I think the Romans were pretty good to their citizens, but they drafted all of them in their 20s.
01:36:42.000Everybody had to go fight in the Gauls and the horror.
01:36:45.000You know, they had to live on the campaign for years.
01:36:56.000I agree with you, Phil, because crime is one thing, but depending on what environment you're in, like if you're speeding, if you're driving recklessly, but you're on an old farm road, I can overlook it.
01:37:07.000But if you're driving recklessly in a city with a bunch of kids during a parade, you're going to jail.
01:37:12.000So, like being in the position that she's in, this is the government setting an example that, like, oh, what seems like a minor mistake on immigration papers, it's not a minor mistake.
01:37:34.000And that in itself is a deterrent to hopefully, you know, dissuade people from just committing immigration fraud.
01:37:41.000What if the super advanced AI goes through all of the paperwork of every government official and finds every T that wasn't crossed, every I that wasn't dotted, every little piece of thing that was wrong, and then starts prosecuting all of them?
01:37:54.000Could you imagine like 30% of the government gets indicted or, or, Laid off because of a piece of paperwork that wasn't right.
01:38:04.000I'm just saying, can you imagine that that might happen?
01:38:06.000Save that kind of stuff for the after show because I can't talk about things like that, things that I would enjoy and love so much like that with a proper emphasis.
01:38:15.000Like the idea of throwing 30% of the government in jail.
01:38:42.000I do think it's interesting that so both parties have actually had populist uprisings within them.
01:38:48.000The Republican populist uprising was MAGA, Make America Great Again.
01:38:53.000You can criticize certain aspects of that, sure.
01:38:55.000But the Democrats' populist uprising against their selling out to private equity and corporate America is called Democratic Socialists of America.
01:39:31.000Then MAGA was supposed to be like for the people, by the people.
01:39:35.000We want to take the power back from the liberal economic order.
01:39:38.000Um, world economic forum, so there was this alignment of like concern of digital overlords, but I don't know if that's still if that's even spoken of.
01:39:46.000Like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump were kind of running on the same platform in 2016.
01:39:50.000So, okay, uh, Sean Trendy, uh, I think that's how you pronounce his last name, Real Clear Politics.
01:39:55.000He wrote this book, uh, back in 2016 after Trump won, called The Lost Majority.
01:40:01.000And he argued essentially that the most important voting block in America is what he called the Ross Perot voter.
01:40:10.000Which is these disaffected, typically white men, but they oscillate between both parties and they're the majority maker.
01:40:19.000He said basically in 2016, they were lining up behind Bernie Sanders.
01:40:23.000And when they got screwed in that primary with the Democrats, they then jumped ship and went to Trump because he was talking about bringing back manufacturing and tariffs.
01:41:31.000That was his major signature issue being against free trade.
01:41:35.000So do you think the Ross Perot voters are essentially economists or economists?
01:41:41.000I think there's some values aspect to it, but yeah, I think that the Ross Perot voter is concerned about boys and girls sports, but they would say, a lot of them would say, this is a distraction from the real economic wars that are going on and the economic power.
01:43:08.000But foreign aid also helps prop up the value of the dollar because the more dollars you have out there that foreign countries have, they're going to want to spend those dollars.
01:43:20.000They're going to want those dollars to have value.
01:43:22.000So that gives a value, that gives an intrinsic value to the dollars.
01:43:27.000They're like, they'll, you know, there are countries where if you show up with dollars, they'll take your dollars before they'll take the local currency.
01:43:34.000Because they look at the dollar and they think, oh, that's American.
01:43:39.000That's more reliable than my government's money.
01:43:41.000So, and again, I'm not trying to make the argument for foreign aid, but if you're America first, you want what's best for America.
01:43:51.000And sometimes that's not to be an isolationist or to be only focused inwards, it's to focus on the world in a way that puts America and America's interests first.
01:44:05.000Call themselves America first that think that isolationism is America first.
01:44:09.000And that's, I don't think that that's actually the case.
01:44:11.000If you're actually pro America and what's best for America, America retreating from the world isn't America first because that would leave a power vacuum.
01:44:19.000And that means that China or Russia would have more power.
01:44:23.000So America first is more complex than just let's retreat from the world and say only focus on what's going on inside our borders.
01:44:33.000You know, you could, if you hoard all the food in your house and the rest of the city starts to starve, you definitely didn't put yourself first because they're all going to come and eat you.
01:44:39.000So like, You want to feed people so that you can be the wealthiest of a wealthy nation.
01:45:14.000Someone that looks at the technology available to us today and puts forth a step by step plan to solve the problem that they're talking about.
01:45:44.000Either through enhancing domestic product, GDP go up because we produce more or better, or we reduce the cost that goes into the production.
01:45:51.000So I don't know what you would call that gross domestic input, GDI.
01:45:55.000Lower our GDI, improve our GDP, either both and either.
01:46:22.000There's a token input and a token output.
01:46:24.000So if you can reduce the cost of input, Well, funny enough, for AI, you have to spend tokens to get an output and spend tokens to get an input.
01:46:33.000But if you can, there's so many ways to do it.
01:46:50.000So we've been thinking about this a lot at APP.
01:46:52.000And why is it that we lower taxes, we get rid of all these regulations, But the economy still kind of sucks for about half the country, right?
01:47:04.000We have this K shaped economy where the people that own things, that have stocks, that own homes, their value and net worth goes up.
01:47:12.000And the people that don't own things, they're more and more priced out of the market.
01:47:18.000Like you try to save up for a $600,000 townhome.
01:47:21.000Well, by the time you get the $120,000 for the down payment, guess what?
01:48:46.000They looked at the marginal tax rates.
01:48:47.000And what was happening is the people in the middle tax brackets were saying, I'm not expanding my business.
01:48:53.000I'm not going to go make more money because then the government takes 75 cents on the dollar and that's way too much exposure.
01:48:59.000So they lowered the marginal tax rates.
01:49:01.000The other thing Reagan ran on that a lot of people have forgotten is he ran on returning to the gold standard and opening back the gold convertibility window.
01:49:10.000Instead, what they did was they launched a gold commission.
01:49:14.000And the findings of the majority report there were two guys on the minority report, by the way, Ron Paul and Lou Lehrman.
01:49:21.000The findings of the majority report were Paul Volcker and the Federal Reserve have proven that they have the political cojones to whip inflation with higher interest rates.
01:49:33.000And they basically did whip inflation.
01:49:36.000So they basically made a compromise and they said, all right, as a compromise, we're going to start minting gold eagles.
01:49:43.000So, if you're an average American citizen and you want to protect yourself against inflation, you can buy these one ounce gold coins that are minted by your government and you won't have to pay taxes on the appreciation.
01:49:53.000Well, Congress does what they do and they screw us.
01:49:57.000They pass, they start minting gold eagles, but they never remove the taxes on it.
01:50:04.000I think that the reason why we have a stagnant economy and why we have a K shaped economy right now for so many people is because we still have a messed up dollar.
01:50:16.000We don't really have a free market if a group of a small group of 12 people at the Federal Reserve can determine what the value of our dollar is without ever taking a vote.
01:50:29.000When the Federal Reserve can tax us through inflation, which is what that is, half of America doesn't pay taxes because of Republican accomplishments of the tax code.
01:53:03.000The bond market's either going to do it or our adversaries are going to.
01:53:06.000Withdrawal from the dollar will get rid of the dollar as the reserve currency.
01:53:10.000Something will happen regardless of what decisions we make as Americans.
01:53:14.000But I think a very easy first step would be to start.
01:53:18.000You know, Texas has this gold depository where people in Texas can actually open up accounts there.
01:53:24.000They can deposit cash, but it then gets immediately converted to gold.
01:53:28.000You get debit cards, you can use those in real time.
01:53:31.000If you just remove the taxes on gold, you have a serious check on the Federal Reserve's ability to print unlimited dollars because they have to factor in.
01:53:39.000How many people are going to change their dollars into these gold accounts?
01:53:42.000We got to go to super chats right now.
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01:54:16.000And Zafia VT says, You just use ID verification to justify this, in spite of the fact that ID verification is being used for mass surveillance and keeps leaking people's private information and being abused.
01:54:30.000I think they're talking about your take on.
01:54:36.000These companies know exactly where you are at all times.
01:54:40.000They know where you spend your eight hours during the day, they know where you spend your eight hours at night, which means they know where you work and where you sleep.
01:54:46.000And just those two factors alone, they know who you are.
01:54:49.000They have a very good idea of who you are.
01:54:52.000There is no online privacy, and these companies are worth trillions of dollars because they know who you are and how to market to you.
01:54:58.000They know when you're pregnant before you do.
01:55:01.000What I have advocated for with age verification, first of all, it's illegal to retain any data.
01:55:05.000It is a simple over 18 or not over 18.
01:55:49.000So Clean up your act online if you don't want people to know about it because they're already tracking it through the private sector.
01:55:55.000You should be very concerned and you should actually support our efforts to increase these privacy protections, making it illegal for these companies to retain any sort of identification data on you.
01:56:06.000The mobile advertising ID is also known as MADE.
01:56:09.000You know how they have that in Canada?
01:56:12.000Are you concerned that an administration is going to come in and be like hyper theocratic or like puritanic and go arrest people for doing debauchery?
01:56:58.000This is to say, all right, we're going to allow online pornography to exist.
01:57:03.000But in order to be a website and make money off of this, you have to verify that the people that you're delivering this pornography to are over 18 and not children.
01:57:14.000So, Andrew123 says, Ian looks like Boromir when he talks about the power of AI.
01:57:38.000I built mines for a reason with free software, open source, and your ability to be encrypted as you travel through the data webs because that machine can twist you and snap your neck off.
01:57:49.000They can cut your bank account off tomorrow.
01:57:51.000They can literally take all your money tomorrow unless you've got it hidden away somewhere.
01:57:58.000And then if they like Phil LeBonti, he can't sell gold coins.
01:58:00.000If you catch him trying to sell them, take them from him, he can't have that.
01:58:04.000Crazy what they could do to you if they know who you are and where you are.
01:58:08.000That's why I'm big on anonymity and it gets me nervous about like IDs.
01:58:10.000But there are ways to do that through like peer identification where you don't actually give your ID.
01:58:16.000It's just enough outside things can tell that it's you.
01:58:19.000So, real quick, we already have these age verification procedures in place for alcohol websites, for marijuana websites, for nicotine websites.
01:58:30.000And what happens is they use essentially third party age verifiers.
01:58:35.000And those age verifiers just put a cookie that says you're an adult on your phone.
01:58:40.000So, then you can access these sites once you verify that you're over 18.
01:58:44.000Discord just rolled out an update, and the way they verified if you were an adult or not is they looked at your history, how long you've been on the platform, what kind of servers you were in, I guess your chat history, the language you would use.
01:58:59.000And that's how they determined if you were above 18 or not.
01:59:03.000A lot of people feared that when they were rolling in these new guardrails for verification, that you'd have to upload your ID, but that wasn't the case.
01:59:11.000So, um, There's something we're dealing with right now with Timcast.
01:59:15.000I mean, some of the fans in our Discord server, some of the fans got locked out for a little bit because they're like, ah, we're not sure you're an adult.
01:59:55.000Thomas says I just listened to a great podcast, Maybe God Pod, with scientist Dr. James Tour, who was addressed using AI with a biblical worldview.
02:00:04.000He'd be a great guest on The Tim Pool Show.
02:00:17.000Kevin has been having it's challenging for him to put it together because he's like, I don't even know what half these scientists are saying.
02:00:41.000It does feel like there's movement, though.
02:00:43.000Do you think, you know, you're talking about your AI setup and how crazy it's getting.
02:00:47.000Do you think it could help you get this documentary classified?
02:00:49.000I actually told Kevin that I'm like, run it through anything, any clips you don't understand, run them through an AI to have it summarize for you.
02:00:56.000It could probably, if it took, if your AI took, Look at the project as a whole, it could probably storyboard for you and tell you exactly what moment should go where.
02:01:06.000But, you know, that kind of bothers me because it's like, you're phoning it in.
02:01:27.000So we run the transcript through AI and we ask, you know, we set.
02:01:31.000Different parameters and say, identify some moments, give us the timestamps, and it helps.
02:01:36.000It helps for when, like, if I don't have the option of watching the show and taking handwritten notes, well, it's a great tool, you know, to help fill that gap.
02:03:14.000You know, we just had an event at the National Archives and we had a personally annotated copy of the Constitution from George Washington where he's writing concur, disagree.
02:03:27.000So, like, if you want to say that government's the root of all of our problems and that the private sector is going to solve everything, well, take it up with George Washington because they all believe that you found a government to secure your rights.
02:10:10.000But like having a public thing is different than televising it to the world where it will get clipped, it'll be fed through AI, it will be changed, it will be used to manipulate, used to generate terrorist sympathy.
02:10:21.000People look at how brutal they are in the United States.
02:10:23.000Like, just a really, really interesting idea from our war commander, Pete Hegseth, that I like that he's bloodthirsty, but also you want to rein in the pit bull as the commander, Donald Trump, and say, okay, we know, we know it's what we want, but.
02:11:12.000And I feel like there is a middle ground here.
02:11:14.000When we talk about public executions, those were meant throughout history to be not only deterrents, but they were contemporaneous to the crimes and judgments that the society had passed.
02:11:27.000And now we're looking at something because of the way we handle capital punishment.
02:11:32.000You know, you have decades between the crimes occurrence when justice would be served by, say, public execution, and the tragedy now, it would be executing him in public when it wouldn't serve to.
02:11:47.000That purpose of demonstrating social judgment against Hassan.
02:11:52.000Oh, I'm sorry, we weren't going to mention his name because.
02:11:54.000When they were like, Hassan's getting executed, I was like, what?
02:12:45.000Like, I think I struggled to justify it by any means, not just the live stream, but capital punishment in general.
02:12:54.000But I don't think it's as much of a deterrent as people may think it was.
02:12:58.000Maybe back in the day, but now with LiveLeak, like I remember October 7th, a few years ago, the amount of the whole Twitter feed was just gore, just death.
02:13:09.000And it's just that's everywhere now on the internet.
02:13:11.000You know, from websites like LiveLeak, they're not around anymore.
02:13:13.000But I think people are desensitized to it.
02:14:54.000Good, I was a little late yesterday, uh, but this is kind of go off of last night's uh question, it's to you, Phil, because I'm also a New Hampshire, right?
02:15:04.000And so you guys were talking about Canada and MADE.
02:15:08.000One of the big things that I came across just recently, past few months, back in 2025, New Hampshire had something in the works for doing a bill for assisted suicide as well.
02:15:37.000But they're giving it a nice little twang saying, you know.
02:15:41.000not assisted death, freedom, but they put freedom at the end.
02:15:45.000So my question is, you started talking about free staters in New Hampshire and how they're the good guys.
02:15:51.000What scares me with some of the libertarians, which I used to call myself one as well, they're starting to be a little, you know, do what you please if it doesn't hurt anyone else.
02:16:02.000So my thoughts were what happens if some of those free staters do go forward with this bill?
02:16:08.000Because it was tabled for next year, 2027.
02:16:50.000I think that when it comes down to it, the free state perspective is you own your life and you can make that decision.
02:16:57.000Whereas what you're seeing in Canada is, well, we have to make a budgetary decision because we have free health care for all that's state funded.
02:17:08.000Now, whether you have a moral objection to it, I think that you can make up your mind on that.
02:17:16.000But I do think that the contexts are very.
02:19:46.000So there's plenty of documentation of insurance companies talking with doctors and hospital systems to speed you out the door for the end of life.
02:19:58.000Like they literally, in Canada and places like California, they literally have what are those women called who support you when you're giving birth?
02:20:28.000So there's actually been a few stories now about the predatory nature of this.
02:20:33.000So you have these like elderly people and they're not dying.
02:20:36.000They're not planning to die, but they'll get letters in the mail and they'll get phone calls offering to help assist them with planning their death.
02:20:43.000And so you literally think, or your end of life care is planning your end of life care.
02:20:48.000And so these little ladies and the old men are like, well, yeah, I should probably come up with an end of life plan and make it easier for my family.
02:20:56.000It's like, well, do you want to die without your family around, or do you want to plan your death so that everyone you love can be in the room to say goodbye with you?
02:21:06.000We criminally charge people who do that when they're young.
02:21:10.000Like, yes, there was a case, maybe in New Hampshire, somewhere in the Northeast, where the girl, this is Big like five to ten years ago, she convinced the boyfriend, I believe, to take his own life.
02:22:29.000Hey, Kellen, I'm so glad you're on this episode because I have some questions to pick your brain, and the panel can chime in as well as I try not to get us all canceled.
02:22:41.000So, with the Cornell 7 case falling apart and people now reneging on their past statements online, there hasn't really been a serious discussion, if at all, About how men can protect against predatory behavior, such as multi person sexual encounters that have turned bad.
02:23:08.000When it comes down to it, if women can't consent to a sexual act because she's too impaired to say yes, clearly you can see a case for essay or rape.
02:23:18.000But if the scenario is that a woman decides that she wants to be foobard and get her head drilled into a wall, isn't there a preconceived notion that she knows the possibility?
02:23:29.000That it's her agency that allows her to participate in said activities, knowing the risks?
02:23:50.000Yeah, it's like consent versus agency is what we're talking about here.
02:23:54.000Like, for example, I said here before that if a woman can't consent because she's too inebriated, then obviously there's a case for SA or rape.
02:24:04.000But if the woman agrees to that, knowing the risk, knowing that she wants to be in that position, who gets to decide that?
02:24:15.000The sexual encounter and doing drugs and drinking, right?
02:24:19.000So if she decides, knowing that there's a risk that she won't remember, and she agrees to that in the beginning, then who gets to decide that she doesn't have the agency to continue on with the act?
02:24:32.000So New York state law actually says that if you willingly and voluntarily.
02:24:38.000Take intoxicating substances, as long as you don't say no during the sexual encounter itself, you cannot claim rape after the fact.
02:24:48.000So that's why she was not initially charged, was because every time the cops and the district attorneys tried to get her to say that she was forced to take the drugs, that she was threatened to take the drugs, that she didn't know she was taking the drugs, she said, No, no, no, I knew I had taken them and I took some more.
02:26:25.000They're fun, but you got to be responsible and you got to know what you're doing and you got to know the people you're with because, yeah, you never know someone who's a loose cannon, someone who's looking to be a victim and stuff like that.
02:28:19.000The consent things, you know, if you consent to getting in a car with someone and then they blast their stereo, like, I didn't consent to that.
02:28:51.000Yeah, so, yeah, because it's really about the interpretation of the word no, because the interpretation of the word no falls under the woman's understanding, correct?
02:29:00.000But that also means that in the opposite direction, the interpretation of the word yes falls under the man's understanding, because if not, then women can just.
02:29:32.000Could this potentially go to the Supreme Court and potentially stripping women of the right to decide what the interpretation means and placing it in the hands of nine people, which six of them are men?
02:29:43.000No, if anything, hard no, but maybe this goes to certain states and localities where they have to clarify existing laws on the books.
02:29:53.000That's a very real possibility, but I don't see this going to the Supreme Court.
02:29:57.000I mean, unfortunately, this is one of many cases that happen every year at colleges.