Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - August 21, 2026


Leftists Push Trump SECRET LOVE Rumor, Letters DROP | Timcast IRL


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00:01:12.000 So these letters get released.
00:01:14.000 At least we believe they're genuine, showing Trump's aide, Natalie, very affectionately referring to her guardian and protector.
00:01:22.000 And it's sparking a, I don't know how you describe it, but it's like, it's not quite a scandal yet in terms of, you know, inappropriate relationship with the president.
00:01:32.000 But these letters are pretty weird.
00:01:34.000 So we'll talk about it.
00:01:36.000 We'll break it down.
00:01:36.000 But this is the big story today.
00:01:38.000 I'm assuming that if it involves the president, everyone wants to know about it.
00:01:42.000 But this story has been bubbling up with Trump's aide, who's, you know, in her 30s.
00:01:46.000 She's a young, attractive woman, and people are, I guess they're kind of insinuating there may be something inappropriate going on.
00:01:52.000 Before I just dump it all in the intro, though, we'll save it for us, the show.
00:01:55.000 And of course, new data coming out suggesting Democrats are on track to win the midterms.
00:02:00.000 But with the rise of the DSA, there's questions about whether or not these polls will actually reflect a general election turnout.
00:02:07.000 So we'll talk about that and everything else.
00:02:08.000 My friends, smash that like button, all the good stuff on this amazing Friday.
00:02:13.000 Joining us today to talk about this and everything else, we've got Mason from One Head Politics.
00:02:16.000 Tim, thanks for having me.
00:02:17.000 It's good to be here.
00:02:18.000 Who are you?
00:02:19.000 You lived up to your promise.
00:02:20.000 You had you on the show at Jubilee, and I'm here.
00:02:22.000 Absolutely.
00:02:23.000 I appreciate that.
00:02:24.000 Who are you?
00:02:25.000 What do you do?
00:02:26.000 Yeah, I do a live show on Twitch.
00:02:27.000 It's One Hand Politics.
00:02:28.000 My name's Mason.
00:02:29.000 I've done a lot of debates with different right wingers and moderates, self described moderates.
00:02:34.000 They got mad at that one, huh?
00:02:35.000 There was no description of me that would have made anybody happy.
00:02:39.000 Just Tim Pool.
00:02:40.000 That's what they ended up going with?
00:02:41.000 Tim Pool versus 20 progressives now?
00:02:43.000 It was A B tested.
00:02:45.000 So when we were setting up the show, we went with three.
00:02:49.000 And one of them was Tim Pool versus progressives, moderate versus progressives, and Tim Pool won, probably because my name recognition is bigger than the idea of like moderate or whatever.
00:02:58.000 But yeah, you're the guy that I ran away from.
00:03:01.000 You're the guy that rage quit.
00:03:03.000 I saw you talk about it with Steven Crowder.
00:03:03.000 No, you know what?
00:03:06.000 So I rescind the rage quit.
00:03:08.000 We'll call it like a rage sabbatical, right?
00:03:10.000 You just had to leave.
00:03:11.000 You had to get out of the debate.
00:03:12.000 You came back eventually.
00:03:14.000 So I think everyone was like having a problem with me saying rage quit, like you just left entirely from the debate.
00:03:19.000 That wasn't the implication.
00:03:20.000 But to clear up the air, you took a rage quit.
00:03:23.000 A rage pause.
00:03:25.000 A rage pause.
00:03:25.000 I think it's like people want the story to be that I stormed off and never came back.
00:03:30.000 And like I just walked out.
00:03:32.000 They want the story to be bigger than I walked away from you and then came back.
00:03:36.000 You know what I mean?
00:03:37.000 You wanted to end the moment right there.
00:03:39.000 Well, I mean, it's a mixed bag.
00:03:41.000 Well, we can talk about it because I talked about the crowd or I talked about it on my show.
00:03:44.000 But it was more so like you pulled out a beanie to do a camera thing.
00:03:48.000 I said, it's all you.
00:03:49.000 Like, I'm out.
00:03:50.000 Yeah, the thing is, everyone's accusing me of knowing that it was going to be you.
00:03:54.000 But like, there's only so many people who could be when it's a moderate.
00:03:57.000 Like when they're selling it, no, when they're selling it like one moderate versus 20 progressives, like the idea isn't going to be like Ezra Klein or some liberal is going to come in here that's like on the center left.
00:04:06.000 Like it's always going to be like someone who's self described moderate.
00:04:09.000 I mean, I saw, I think you even said to Steven, you liked the idea of being called moderate, even if you don't fully identify as like dead in the center, just because it's like good for your brand and good for advertisement, right?
00:04:19.000 Absolutely.
00:04:20.000 Like that's why I go on a show like that.
00:04:22.000 But it's not just about the branding of calling myself a moderate.
00:04:26.000 It was that most of the liberals never watch my show.
00:04:30.000 And don't hear my opinions.
00:04:32.000 So, going on Jubilee, they're going to hear something from me that they don't expect.
00:04:37.000 Because if you only watch clips from progressives, you're only hearing conservative positions and you never hear liberal positions.
00:04:44.000 But if I go and sit down with a bunch of liberals, I think the best way to exemplify it is when dude at the end said, If we agree so much, why are you here?
00:04:52.000 And it's like the real answer is because we don't agree on everything, but we agree on some things.
00:04:56.000 So, yeah, I just, I don't know.
00:04:57.000 I thought the prompts were interesting.
00:04:58.000 Maybe we could get into it after we talk about the news and stuff, but we'll just get into it.
00:05:03.000 It seemed kind of like, uh, They weren't like super strong positions.
00:05:06.000 And I think that was intentional of the brand you're trying to go with, with moderate, was because it was kind of hard and difficult to argue with it.
00:05:14.000 If your prompt is like, the Constitution effectively doesn't exist or it's not operational, I forget the specific wording.
00:05:20.000 The first one.
00:05:21.000 But it's like, we've always had big disagreements on the interpretation of the Constitution.
00:05:25.000 So I feel like with you saying, well, liberals say that Trump is violating the Constitution and conservatives don't believe that Democrat presidents follow the Constitution, we could say that about so many eras of American history.
00:05:34.000 I just feel like, would the Constitution ever matter?
00:05:37.000 So, like when you have the DSA as one third of the Democratic Party and they're saying we want a parliamentary system, no Senate, we're not talking about the Bill of Rights.
00:05:44.000 We're talking literally about Article I. Right.
00:05:46.000 So, do you think that divide is equivalent with like abolitionists and pro slavery people saying that the Constitution guarantees slavery and human ownership as property?
00:05:55.000 Well, I'm reluctant to get into the full debate as the show is starting.
00:06:00.000 We've got to introduce everybody.
00:06:01.000 But I don't want to not answer and just say I think the issue is that I think this was your argument, which is a good argument, that there's always been disagreements on the interpretation of the Constitution.
00:06:11.000 My argument more so is that we have a growing faction that outright says there shouldn't be one at all and they won't adhere to it.
00:06:11.000 Yeah.
00:06:17.000 And so, like I said, the DSA is campaigning to eliminate Article 1 of the Constitution.
00:06:21.000 Part of amendments is changing what the Constitution has.
00:06:24.000 That's why we have 22 of them.
00:06:26.000 Yes, but amending Article 1 of the Constitution is substantially different from amending the Constitution to include a protection or a function of government.
00:06:33.000 I have thoughts on the idea of an amendment.
00:06:35.000 Let's get into it.
00:06:36.000 It'll get very good.
00:06:37.000 It's getting too good to say.
00:06:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:38.000 Fourth Amendment.
00:06:39.000 We'll keep it under wraps.
00:06:39.000 Okay.
00:06:40.000 This violates the Fourth Amendment.
00:06:42.000 And this is going to be a much better version of the conversation than the Everyone pulls you out of the show, but yeah, 100%.
00:06:47.000 Yeah, all right.
00:06:48.000 Well, the point is rage bait might be a better word than rage sabbatical or quit.
00:06:52.000 But what's up, Phil?
00:06:53.000 Rage pause.
00:06:54.000 What's up, everybody?
00:06:55.000 Ian's here.
00:06:55.000 I'm Phil.
00:06:56.000 Oh, I have to make a correction.
00:06:57.000 Last night I said RNA protease is what you use to repair RNA.
00:07:00.000 Oh, no, it's actually RNA polymerase.
00:07:03.000 Oh, my gosh, it's the polymerase.
00:07:05.000 Just tossing your credibility right out the window.
00:07:08.000 More, more, I know.
00:07:11.000 And then it's actually a funny point because I wasn't here last Friday.
00:07:16.000 And I guess Ian was talking about if a war broke out with China, that the U.S. might put Chinese people in concentration camps or something.
00:07:22.000 Yeah, we won't.
00:07:23.000 I said that he was wrong.
00:07:24.000 And then Media Matters writes Tim Cast IRL discusses putting Chinese people in concentration camps.
00:07:29.000 And I'm like, I'm not even there.
00:07:30.000 Not at all.
00:07:31.000 I don't think it's a good thing to do, but it happened with the Japanese during World War II.
00:07:35.000 And I could see it happening.
00:07:36.000 And that's kind of where their combo was about.
00:07:38.000 And they're like, Ian Crossland discussed it.
00:07:40.000 There's a lot to get into.
00:07:41.000 I'm having fun already.
00:07:42.000 Let's talk about the news.
00:07:44.000 We got this from CNN.com.
00:07:44.000 Let's jump into the story.
00:07:47.000 My guardian and protector, Natalie Harp, letters express her devotion to Trump.
00:07:52.000 I got to be honest, devotion isn't the word that I would use.
00:07:55.000 I'm not trying to.
00:07:56.000 Really, with all my love as the bottom?
00:07:58.000 That's not devotion.
00:07:59.000 No, I'm saying more than that.
00:08:01.000 With all my love.
00:08:01.000 I'm saying devotion is too light.
00:08:03.000 Session, session.
00:08:04.000 With all my heart, not with all my love.
00:08:04.000 Yeah.
00:08:05.000 Freaky Natalie is what they call her, actually.
00:08:07.000 I think it's with all my heart, not with all my love.
00:08:10.000 With all my heart.
00:08:12.000 Well, that's actually worse.
00:08:12.000 Are we going to.
00:08:14.000 Yes, it does matter.
00:08:15.000 It's probably worse.
00:08:16.000 It does matter.
00:08:17.000 It does matter.
00:08:18.000 I was going to say.
00:08:18.000 Okay, okay.
00:08:21.000 Yeah, I think devotion is too light.
00:08:23.000 So, here, I'll read some of this.
00:08:23.000 Yeah.
00:08:25.000 I just want to exemplify that there's two letters.
00:08:29.000 And, well, let me just read it.
00:08:31.000 Dear Mr. President, I'm sorry.
00:08:33.000 I thought I was the only one left behind last night, and no idea Margo's car was also pulled over and sent back to the airport.
00:08:39.000 Since I was alone in the van outside customs without my passport, I panicked and should have just called Secret Service instead of you.
00:08:44.000 I am, I also am sorry if I was an embarrassment walking the course in Scotland.
00:08:48.000 The first day I was told there were no carts and people walked, which is why I walked.
00:08:53.000 Keep in mind, she was running as of the actual report to keep up with the golf cart.
00:08:53.000 Okay.
00:08:58.000 So she also, I do think it's, I don't want to read the whole thing just because it's wordy and kind of like weird to do.
00:08:58.000 Wow.
00:09:04.000 There's some stuff you got to read in there too.
00:09:06.000 I think people should read this.
00:09:08.000 I want things to always be right between us.
00:09:10.000 I also know I've been distracted all week, forgetting to eat throughout the days and even forgetting to sleep and only catching a couple hours at a time.
00:09:16.000 I haven't been myself, dwelling on the past and the pain of losing my dad.
00:09:19.000 And I started letting the remarks of people who bothered me before get to me.
00:09:23.000 I'm sorry, lost my focus.
00:09:25.000 You are all that matters to me.
00:09:26.000 I don't want to ever let you down.
00:09:28.000 Thank you for being my guardian and protector in this life.
00:09:31.000 That's what I wanted to use this card for when you saw me at the cash register and once again did what you didn't have to do and gifted me with mementos.
00:09:40.000 I was thinking mementos.
00:09:40.000 Oh, I'm sorry.
00:09:41.000 Mementos of this trip.
00:09:42.000 Okay.
00:09:43.000 Of a lifetime.
00:09:44.000 The fresh.
00:09:45.000 I thought he was literally buying her mints.
00:09:47.000 I will return a better person and have to sign off for now as the cars are leaving with all my heart.
00:09:52.000 Okay, now hold on.
00:09:53.000 Sign off.
00:09:53.000 Geez.
00:09:54.000 It sounds like an email that got printed, but then it's hand signed.
00:09:59.000 And the signatures look the same.
00:10:01.000 So here's another one.
00:10:03.000 Dear Mr. President, now this is the note I wanted to write, but the apology needed to come first.
00:10:08.000 What?
00:10:09.000 I have learned so much about myself on this trip.
00:10:11.000 I always knew coming home to my roots would be enlightening, but I had no idea how much for the first time in I don't know how long you forced me to unplug.
00:10:18.000 We could be out on the course with no machines and even forget what time it was.
00:10:23.000 Okay.
00:10:24.000 She calls herself the, she says, I didn't have to be the human printer.
00:10:27.000 I could take time to enjoy good conversation, still got all my work done by the end of the day.
00:10:32.000 Let's see.
00:10:32.000 I had no idea how rapidly I was approaching burnout and started to envy those whose only job seems to be to talk with you and look pretty.
00:10:38.000 I want that job.
00:10:39.000 So many times I was just trying to stay afloat with all that's coming.
00:10:42.000 For you.
00:10:44.000 Okay, but I don't know.
00:10:45.000 But going after all self analysis, my conclusion I need to reunite my past self with my current into a better version that will make you proud.
00:10:54.000 And please, when I fail, will you tell me?
00:10:57.000 I'll never forget when you made that promise to me after losing my dad.
00:10:59.000 And I know how happy he is right now that I did get to go to Scotland and Ireland because he always wanted for me to modify a classic.
00:11:05.000 I could not have parted with you to anyone less worthy.
00:11:09.000 And I will add, it is I who is unworthy.
00:11:12.000 Jesus Christ.
00:11:13.000 P.S. My hands look worse in Scotland and Ireland because of the cold.
00:11:16.000 The cold turns my old scars purple, still on the road to recovery.
00:11:19.000 On the other note, she ends with, with all my heart.
00:11:22.000 It doesn't sound sexual, but it does sound obsessive.
00:11:26.000 Yeah, that's mania.
00:11:27.000 It's literally a type of love.
00:11:28.000 Like Eros is sexual love, but mania is obsessive love.
00:11:32.000 And it does sound like obsessive love.
00:11:34.000 I think from her part, it could be like a psycho sexual obsession, even if they're not like in a physical relationship.
00:11:40.000 Like, I honestly, just from Donald Trump's demeanor and the way that he's presented himself, he doesn't really seem like.
00:11:46.000 He's really motivated by sex.
00:11:48.000 He's talked about it a lot, especially before he went into politics, but it's always seemed more of a power and status oriented brag than it has been about, oh, yeah, I can't wait to.
00:11:59.000 I don't even know if sexual pleasure is something that's Donald Trump's top priority.
00:12:04.000 Well, I actually agree because he's old, right?
00:12:06.000 Yeah.
00:12:06.000 So what you'll probably find is a lot of older guys, probably Trump, they want the testosterone, masculine, I'm a strong man.
00:12:14.000 Yeah.
00:12:15.000 They want the perception that women are flocking to him without actually.
00:12:18.000 So as an 80 year old man, You know, look, old people bang.
00:12:22.000 You know, nobody wants to think about it, but they do, but it's just less frequent.
00:12:25.000 And I think an 80 year old guy is probably like, you know?
00:12:28.000 Yeah, I mean, regardless, I think the real story here is, again, like she is the closest person to him at all times of the day.
00:12:36.000 35 year old woman who's transcribing all of his thoughts and filtering information that gets to him.
00:12:40.000 There's also reports that she is filtering like comments from world leaders to what he hears, which is kind of crazy.
00:12:47.000 What if she's the shadow president?
00:12:49.000 What if she's the shadow president? 0.97
00:12:50.000 Everything happening is her, the tariffs, you know, war with Iran, it's her, and she's like, fire the missile. 0.86
00:12:56.000 Is she translating messages from foreign dignitaries to Donald Trump?
00:13:01.000 I don't think she's translating.
00:13:03.000 She's the one that's given it to him.
00:13:04.000 Well, what do you think, Phil?
00:13:06.000 I mean, so she had bone cancer.
00:13:09.000 We were talking about this before the show.
00:13:11.000 She had bone cancer, and she credits Trump's right to try efforts with saving her life.
00:13:18.000 It does sound like she's kind of obsessive, but I don't think that there's the only question I have is about her security clearance stuff.
00:13:27.000 So if she doesn't have a clearance or didn't have a clearance, yeah, she chose not to go through her security clearance.
00:13:33.000 That might cause some kind of problem.
00:13:33.000 That's weird.
00:13:35.000 But otherwise, look, Like you'd mentioned, you said something about elected and the president's aides and stuff.
00:13:41.000 They're not elected.
00:13:42.000 He just selects them.
00:13:43.000 That goes for all the presidents.
00:13:45.000 But the point is Can't he appoint Clarence as the president?
00:13:47.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:13:48.000 If I understand.
00:13:48.000 Well, he sent a memo to her encouraging her, you have to go through with this.
00:13:52.000 Interesting.
00:13:52.000 And he was like, If he has to send a memo for her to fill out a form, it's weird.
00:14:02.000 a little odd.
00:14:03.000 But I don't like he can't actually give her Decide that the things that he's telling her that she hears are no longer top secret.
00:14:12.000 So, can I just do the stupidest?
00:14:15.000 Well, she's listening just first of all for that.
00:14:17.000 She's listening into classified meetings, she's 10 feet away without that security clearance.
00:14:22.000 Well, is she still without that security clearance?
00:14:24.000 What did she, what, how long did she not have one? 0.57
00:14:26.000 I think she has it.
00:14:26.000 I don't know what the update is now.
00:14:27.000 Yeah.
00:14:27.000 But the big issue that people are having is for the longest time, she didn't.
00:14:31.000 And as far as like the bone cancer thing, like she talked about that.
00:14:34.000 I think she did it at the RNC back in 2020 and for the reelection.
00:14:39.000 But, um, That specific treatment that she got was already FDA approved.
00:14:43.000 And that was reported by the New Republic.
00:14:45.000 She looked more of like a spin, not really like Trump's right to try.
00:14:49.000 She delayed completing the standard security clearance, the SF 86 form, for more than a year while working at the White House with close access to the president.
00:14:56.000 Concerns from the White House counsel's office, security officials, and others led Trump to intervene.
00:15:00.000 That's when he sent her the memo saying, please get it.
00:15:02.000 She then completed the paperwork, underwent a background check, and has received clearance in recent months.
00:15:08.000 So there's no official date, I suppose.
00:15:10.000 But I'm going to let me just throw out a conspiracy theory.
00:15:15.000 Trump wrote those letters to himself to make it look like young women desperately love him.
00:15:20.000 Yeah.
00:15:21.000 So he can be like, well, you know.
00:15:22.000 It would be off brand.
00:15:23.000 It would be off brand.
00:15:23.000 Yeah.
00:15:24.000 I am pretty great.
00:15:25.000 I am pretty great. 0.99
00:15:27.000 This kind of was like, what's the ethics of getting a young hot secretary? 0.98
00:15:30.000 And wait, wait, wait. 0.96
00:15:31.000 Okay.
00:15:31.000 Sorry, sorry.
00:15:32.000 It does kind of sound like a guy writing an obsessive woman character.
00:15:37.000 You know what I mean?
00:15:37.000 Yeah, right.
00:15:38.000 Like not some love and all that.
00:15:38.000 Oh, I know.
00:15:40.000 It's so stereotypical.
00:15:41.000 But I think to your point, I mean, that's probably why this is a real thing.
00:15:45.000 I think that Trump likes to surround himself with.
00:15:47.000 People who are inflating his ego like that.
00:15:49.000 Yeah, I think it's Trump.
00:15:51.000 To Ian's question about what's the ethics of it, we've already decided that that's fine.
00:15:54.000 We decided it 35 years ago when Bill Clinton did his escapades with Monica Lewinsky.
00:16:05.000 No, I don't shim.
00:16:18.000 What?
00:16:20.000 No, I don't think anybody agrees on what happened with Clinton.
00:16:24.000 Well, nobody has at any point been impeached for any kind of sexual.
00:16:30.000 Right.
00:16:31.000 Oh, I'm not asking.
00:16:31.000 What's the word I'm looking for?
00:16:32.000 Impropriety.
00:16:33.000 Impropriety.
00:16:33.000 It's unethical.
00:16:34.000 You know?
00:16:35.000 Like, is it ethical for an 80 year old man to have a 35 year old super sexy secretary? 0.93
00:16:39.000 Listen, it was ethical when JFK was banging Marilyn Monroe.
00:16:43.000 Or we decided that it was ethical, that it was acceptable.
00:16:46.000 Maybe if you're deciding.
00:16:47.000 Abraham Lincoln with a gay lover.
00:16:49.000 What?
00:16:50.000 Or Abraham Lincoln with a gay lover.
00:16:51.000 I mean, maybe.
00:16:52.000 I don't know anything about that.
00:16:53.000 I haven't heard.
00:16:54.000 But, like, look, this is something that the American people have largely decided look, this is something that doesn't make a big difference to us.
00:16:54.000 But.
00:17:04.000 I completely disagree.
00:17:05.000 I think that a large part of why that was so normalized was because things weren't as transparent, like without the internet or without constant press.
00:17:12.000 I mean, FDR, the people didn't even know he was in a wheelchair because the press kept that silent.
00:17:16.000 But I think now, like, probably since George W. Bush, everything's trying to be out in the open.
00:17:21.000 Every report is trying to get to you.
00:17:22.000 Just because it's being out in the open, or trying to be put out in the open, And people on opposing sides will use it against the people that are running.
00:17:30.000 So the Republicans would do it to Democrats.
00:17:32.000 Democrats would do it to Republicans.
00:17:33.000 Just because it's out in the open doesn't mean that the American people actually care.
00:17:36.000 Donald Trump did the whole grab him by the, and I'm not going to say it because we're on the share.
00:17:41.000 And the American people elected him twice.
00:17:45.000 Generally, the American people don't really care.
00:17:48.000 At least they don't care enough to say we're not going to allow it.
00:17:51.000 Ian, Ian, here's what you need to do.
00:17:53.000 Okay.
00:17:54.000 I need you to gain some weight, right? 0.70
00:17:56.000 You got to get a Trump haircut.
00:17:58.000 You got to learn to arch your neck forward a little bit and stick your chest out and go like this when you talk.
00:18:02.000 Oh, it hurts.
00:18:02.000 She's single, bro.
00:18:04.000 Well, so you got to do.
00:18:05.000 You see how she's looking at that man?
00:18:07.000 Yeah, with COVID.
00:18:08.000 You need to mold yourself into that symbol of masculinity.
00:18:11.000 Yep.
00:18:12.000 And then you got to, you know. 1.00
00:18:14.000 Hire a girl that's 45 years younger than you. 0.91
00:18:17.000 No, and then you ask her on a date. 0.99
00:18:18.000 I don't know who Caroline Levitt is that Caroline wasn't offered the secret plane that Donald Trump left, but Natalie was shuttled.
00:18:18.000 What are you talking about?
00:18:26.000 I don't actually know if I believe that story that they won another plane.
00:18:29.000 When they landed.
00:18:29.000 Really?
00:18:31.000 The report, I think Politico said, they don't understand how he would have gotten back onto Air Force One.
00:18:37.000 So that story may have been a misdirection for some reason.
00:18:40.000 You know, I want us to say with.
00:18:42.000 Real quick, sorry.
00:18:43.000 When they landed in the UK, they stayed, they waited for like 25 minutes, and then Trump deplaned, same as everybody else.
00:18:49.000 And so the first report was that Trump switched planes, he didn't know what happened.
00:18:53.000 Then the report came out recently that he snuck into the catering cart.
00:18:56.000 But the reports about his landing in the UK said there was no catering cart.
00:18:59.000 So how did he make it back to Air Force One?
00:19:01.000 Unless.
00:19:01.000 And that's a completely fabricated story.
00:19:03.000 Well, I'm not saying I know for sure, but I'm questioning was there an ulterior motive with lying to the press?
00:19:09.000 And one of the theories is that the story was fake, intended to see who was leaking information to the press.
00:19:15.000 So, right, they go to some people on the plane and then say, hey, Trump snuck off the plane.
00:19:21.000 He's not actually here.
00:19:23.000 The catering car took him away.
00:19:24.000 Wasn't the press on the plane?
00:19:26.000 Right.
00:19:26.000 Somebody went and whispered and said, Trump's actually not here because they weren't supposed to know.
00:19:30.000 Then when the report came out.
00:19:31.000 But why would there be confusion about a member of the press leaking something?
00:19:34.000 When their job is done.
00:19:35.000 It's not the member of the press leaking.
00:19:36.000 It's someone from Trump's staff telling the press things they should know.
00:19:39.000 Oh, I see.
00:19:40.000 So, how did the press find out?
00:19:41.000 So, here's the theory.
00:19:42.000 And I'm not saying it's true.
00:19:44.000 But if the president sneaks off of Air Force One because of a security risk to his life, no one should know that, right?
00:19:51.000 That should be like top secret, presidents being shuffled away.
00:19:55.000 How did the press find out?
00:19:57.000 A lot of people on the left are saying, isn't it weird that Carolyn Levitt left right after she found out she was left on the decoy plane?
00:20:04.000 And my response was not that she got mad and quit, but.
00:20:08.000 Could she have been the one to have told the press about the secret plan and that's why she's no longer there?
00:20:15.000 Like, a quiet resignation.
00:20:18.000 Well, she's like, I'm right afterwards, she's like, I'm leaving you with my family.
00:20:22.000 And then when they land in the UK, I think it was Politico that reported no catering cart would have transported Trump back to the plane.
00:20:29.000 Trump just deplaned and they don't know how he got back on the plane.
00:20:31.000 So why should I assume that story is actually true in the first place?
00:20:34.000 Interesting.
00:20:35.000 I don't know.
00:20:35.000 I don't know.
00:20:35.000 I don't know.
00:20:36.000 You know, it's all speculation to be honest.
00:20:38.000 Right.
00:20:39.000 With in the absence of evidence, the simple solution is Karen Levin had a baby and she wants to be on.
00:20:42.000 I had the same ideas with Tulsi Gabbard.
00:20:44.000 I thought it seemed more than just she was leaving to be with her husband.
00:20:47.000 It felt like her disagreements with Trump about the Iran war forced her out of the administration and that they don't want to say no.
00:20:54.000 Well, she leaked information to Congress that completely disrupted the narrative of why we went to Iran in the first place.
00:21:01.000 She said in her congressional testimony, we did not have adequate evidence that Iran was building a nuclear weapon, which was a large part of why Trump said we need to go in there.
00:21:08.000 And he still says that to this day.
00:21:10.000 So there was absolutely a conflict there, which is why, yeah, I don't know if she left or if she.
00:21:15.000 Was told to leave by the Trump administration.
00:21:17.000 Yeah.
00:21:18.000 It's not true.
00:21:19.000 I think, so I've spoken with some people.
00:21:21.000 Like, look, we know people who work in the Beltway and who work in these spaces from super close, literally in the administration to outside from consulting groups.
00:21:29.000 And the rumors that I've heard as of recent is that she was forced out.
00:21:32.000 Yeah.
00:21:32.000 And it was just convenient.
00:21:35.000 But here's the other thing, too.
00:21:37.000 I was told back in February, and everybody watched those heard me say it a million times, but for Mason, I heard that she was going to resign months ago because they're trying to splinter the Trump administration.
00:21:47.000 Base to create a spoiler for the Democrats.
00:21:49.000 Basically, moderate Democrats who don't like woke but hate Trump.
00:21:53.000 That's why you're seeing Tucker flip.
00:21:54.000 They want to create a space where moderates will be like, I'm going to vote for whatever this is.
00:21:58.000 So you take the anti, like the left moderate or anti Trump elements in the Trump campaign and create a spoiler campaign with Joe Kent, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massey, and Tulsi Gabbard.
00:22:08.000 I was told that she was going to resign.
00:22:10.000 I talked about it.
00:22:12.000 I was told by people close to her and her family she would never resign.
00:22:15.000 And then, like, two months after I talked about it, she resigned.
00:22:18.000 And so now Tucker's launching his third party.
00:22:20.000 So I don't know that I believe the rumors now that she was forced out.
00:22:23.000 I still feel like they're all working together and it's just political manipulation.
00:22:28.000 To say that moderates are going to be voting for Tucker Carlson is so wild.
00:22:33.000 I feel like the only people that would go to him is the Lincoln Project.
00:22:37.000 The Lincoln Project.
00:22:37.000 The what?
00:22:38.000 They would not vote for Tucker Carlson.
00:22:39.000 There are a ton of neocons who went never Trump or voted for Democrats who would absolutely vote for like Thomas Mitchell.
00:22:46.000 Tucker still works as like an apparatus of the Republican Party.
00:22:49.000 Insofar as he's still glazing JD Vance preparing for that 2028 run, even though JD Vance has been complicit with all of the actions of the Trump admin.
00:22:58.000 I mean, he went on Joe Rogan and gave like this vague sense of criticism, but even then he's like, hey, I support the president.
00:23:03.000 I'm not going to go against my own administration.
00:23:05.000 And it's just funny to me that Tucker's like, Donald Trump has betrayed our base.
00:23:08.000 He's betrayed the movement.
00:23:10.000 I don't know if JD would have done the same thing.
00:23:10.000 But I like JD.
00:23:12.000 It's like, dude.
00:23:13.000 But so think about what that does though in a 2028 run with JD Vance.
00:23:18.000 The people who don't like Trump.
00:23:20.000 Are not going to listen to people who support Trump the same ways they would if someone was criticizing him.
00:23:24.000 But Tucker's going to endorse JD.
00:23:26.000 Of course.
00:23:27.000 This is the point.
00:23:28.000 When there were tons of conservatives that left the Republican Party because of Trump specifically, but they didn't change all of their values, they just said Trump is an existential threat.
00:23:36.000 So I will vote for a Democrat if it means stopping Trump.
00:23:39.000 Tucker Carlson then comes out and says Trump is bad.
00:23:42.000 These people then go, hey, Tucker's got some sense in him.
00:23:45.000 Then when JD Vance comes in and he sounds vanilla pudding, he might pull in a decent amount of those people back.
00:23:51.000 Look, even if it's 5%.
00:23:53.000 That's enough to disrupt the Democrats.
00:23:55.000 Let's put it this way if they can spoiler 5%, JD Vance can win with substantially less votes.
00:24:01.000 JD is going to be forever attached to the actions of the admin that he's in.
00:24:04.000 What about Rubio?
00:24:05.000 I think that Rubio would do better, but I think that everything that's been shown is them gearing towards JD being the guy.
00:24:13.000 Because Marco Rubio, let's say he runs in a primary against JD, he loses, he's completely fucked.
00:24:17.000 He has no career left after that, at least running for president again.
00:24:21.000 If he wins and he beats out JD, you're going to have people that are pissed off that they didn't go with the plan because JD's supposed to be the next guy.
00:24:28.000 I don't think it's advantageous for Marco.
00:24:30.000 Calcio currently has Vance at 44 to Rubio's 20.
00:24:33.000 I think Rubio could keep his ambitions to run for president and probably be successful at being the nominee in 32.
00:24:41.000 You want to know what's weird?
00:24:42.000 I just don't think that's going to happen in 20.
00:24:44.000 You know what's really weird?
00:24:44.000 You know what Marco Rubio's name means?
00:24:46.000 What does it mean?
00:24:47.000 Marco is a reference to Mars, the god of war.
00:24:49.000 Yeah.
00:24:50.000 And Rubio means red haired.
00:24:52.000 His name literally means war.
00:24:55.000 It's like the red planet.
00:24:56.000 It's the red haired god of war.
00:24:57.000 Holy shit.
00:24:57.000 It's like.
00:24:58.000 You know what Donald Trump means?
00:25:00.000 Donald means world ruler, and Trump means the herald sound, like the trumpets, the trumpet sound.
00:25:04.000 Trump's name literally means the herald of the world ruler.
00:25:07.000 Do you know what JD Vance means?
00:25:09.000 What does it mean?
00:25:10.000 Vance means dweller of the marsh, it means swamp creature.
00:25:14.000 Like, his people's names.
00:25:16.000 That's hilarious.
00:25:16.000 What does J stand for?
00:25:18.000 James.
00:25:18.000 James, I think.
00:25:19.000 But his first name's not, his name, JD's not real.
00:25:19.000 James.
00:25:22.000 Jimmy Dean.
00:25:22.000 It was like John David.
00:25:23.000 It was like a fabrication.
00:25:24.000 What is, you say James is Jacob.
00:25:24.000 Yeah.
00:25:26.000 Oh, it is?
00:25:26.000 James is Jacob.
00:25:27.000 I think James is Jacob.
00:25:28.000 So you guys aren't pretty pretty.
00:25:29.000 Well, hold on, hold on.
00:25:31.000 Donald Trump was born Donald Trump.
00:25:32.000 Oh, his dad, JD.
00:25:33.000 JD Vance was not born, you know, John David.
00:25:35.000 Fred changed it from Fred Drumpf to his dad to Fred Trump.
00:25:39.000 Let's, let me have a name.
00:25:40.000 Okay, hold on.
00:25:40.000 Yeah, his name used to be Drumpf.
00:25:41.000 I didn't know that name.
00:25:42.000 JD Vance's name was James Donald Bowman.
00:25:45.000 Then it got changed to James David Hamill.
00:25:48.000 Now it's James David Vance.
00:25:50.000 The dude's like the biggest chameleon ever.
00:25:52.000 His name was Vommel.
00:25:54.000 And then he was anti Trump.
00:25:54.000 Yeah, right.
00:25:56.000 Yeah, he was genuinely anti Trump.
00:25:58.000 Trump's Hitler.
00:25:59.000 And then Peter Thiel groomed him into being the candidate that he is today.
00:26:04.000 I mean, because the point was this is how you win.
00:26:08.000 It's redirecting the energy.
00:26:10.000 You don't face the energy head on and try to stop it.
00:26:12.000 You take it and you try and guide it in the direction you want it to go.
00:26:15.000 And that's what they're doing.
00:26:16.000 I don't know.
00:26:16.000 Yeah, Tom.
00:26:17.000 I think Trump just messed up not getting someone like Doug Burgum.
00:26:20.000 I think Doug would have been.
00:26:21.000 You got Burgum Mania.
00:26:22.000 You got Burgum Mania.
00:26:23.000 Michael Knowles is big on Burgum.
00:26:25.000 Tom Cruise had a.
00:26:27.000 So here's the other question, though.
00:26:29.000 What do the Democrats have?
00:26:30.000 AOC is the frontrunner now.
00:26:32.000 Yeah, I don't know. 1.00
00:26:33.000 I think she's going to run for Senate. 1.00
00:26:34.000 She's been, like, for sure posting a lot that's, like, getting that engagement. 0.98
00:26:38.000 And she had the, like, famous Woke One was crazy, which is she's trying to distance herself from 2020 a bit.
00:26:45.000 I don't know.
00:26:45.000 I honestly think John Ossoff's going to pull a.
00:26:47.000 Is he up there?
00:26:49.000 He's third right now.
00:26:50.000 But here's the issue.
00:26:51.000 He's been saying, I'm not going to run.
00:26:52.000 I'm not going to run.
00:26:53.000 But, like, The dude is charismatic.
00:26:55.000 He's from the South.
00:26:56.000 He's been moderate in his running, but he's trying to project more progressive, at least for the anti establishment energy.
00:27:02.000 I think that he'd be a killer.
00:27:04.000 Rating them all on charisma?
00:27:06.000 AOC. 0.83
00:27:08.000 She has good charisma, but. 1.00
00:27:10.000 She's the most charismatic Democrat. 0.64
00:27:11.000 She's getting a lot of weight, though. 0.93
00:27:13.000 Yeah, I saw that. 0.99
00:27:13.000 She looks unhealthy. 0.99
00:27:14.000 That's not charisma. 1.00
00:27:15.000 That's more beauty, which is. 1.00
00:27:16.000 She's Latina. 1.00
00:27:18.000 She's going for the big booty Latina vote. 0.95
00:27:19.000 Is that what you're saying? 1.00
00:27:20.000 Charisma is more of a personal fervor.
00:27:20.000 Yeah.
00:27:23.000 No, no, no.
00:27:24.000 They work in synergy.
00:27:25.000 AOC has it.
00:27:26.000 Yeah.
00:27:27.000 Gavin Newsom.
00:27:28.000 I'm so miserable.
00:27:29.000 He's going to fizzle out.
00:27:30.000 He's Ron DeSantis.
00:27:31.000 I agree.
00:27:32.000 I completely agree.
00:27:33.000 Asaf has more than Newsom and makes a lot more sense, but he has VP energy.
00:27:38.000 AOC has X Factor.
00:27:41.000 I don't see it with Asaf.
00:27:43.000 I don't think yet.
00:27:44.000 I think that there's a lot of skepticism on her ability to win over people. 0.94
00:27:49.000 But what I will say is her stunts of going down to Georgia and Trump County and helping them that are pissed off at the data centers that are literally polluting their water. 0.99
00:27:59.000 That's signaling that she is trying to do that, like crossing the bridge.
00:28:02.000 But I don't think that she's going to be the person that everyone's gearing for for 2020.
00:28:07.000 I think she has a lot of energy, though.
00:28:08.000 John Assoff is his height is weirdly debated.
00:28:13.000 It's some sources say 5'9, some say 5'11.
00:28:16.000 5'11 maybe gets you there.
00:28:18.000 What's JD?
00:28:18.000 He's like 5'11?
00:28:19.000 No, no.
00:28:20.000 JD's like 6' something.
00:28:21.000 And Marco Rubio is short.
00:28:22.000 Is that right?
00:28:23.000 Yes.
00:28:23.000 He's pretty short.
00:28:24.000 Yep.
00:28:24.000 JD Vance is 6'2.
00:28:26.000 Little Marco.
00:28:27.000 Yeah, Vance has it in his pocket.
00:28:29.000 And I beat him.
00:28:30.000 And this is important.
00:28:32.000 This is why Kamala Harris requested a smaller podium when debating Trump.
00:28:35.000 This is true.
00:28:36.000 Because the perception.
00:28:37.000 Yep.
00:28:38.000 People, because when they do the close ups, when they do the wide, it's hard to figure out size necessarily the way they angle the cameras.
00:28:45.000 But if they're next to each other, you can see the podium is smaller. 0.88
00:28:48.000 They do close ups, which makes her look proportional and it makes them both look proportionally the same.
00:28:48.000 But they don't do that.
00:28:52.000 It's genetic, man.
00:28:53.000 Like, he's our war commander, our military commander, commander in chief of the military.
00:28:58.000 You need a dude that's tall that can sit on top of a horse behind the troops and see over their heads.
00:29:02.000 Literally, that's where this stuff comes from.
00:29:03.000 So you want a tall, strong guy that can maneuver on horseback.
00:29:07.000 I mean, not.
00:29:08.000 We're kind of past that, but it's still ingrained in our genetics.
00:29:10.000 So we look for these things.
00:29:11.000 You want someone who looks like that.
00:29:13.000 Yeah, like George Washington was super tall and it helped him in combat.
00:29:16.000 Yeah, deep, deep voices and height.
00:29:17.000 Like Claudia Scheinbomb from a distance if they fail because they have a loud, booming voice.
00:29:21.000 This is the challenge that AOC will have. 1.00
00:29:23.000 Any woman running against a man is there's like, and I always say this because feminists get mad at me, but this is literally the feminist position. 1.00
00:29:31.000 People inherently will be sexist towards a female candidate and just choose a man based on. 0.97
00:29:35.000 I think that's such like the neoliberal interpretation.
00:29:39.000 And why I disagree with a lot of Democrats saying Kamala lost because of that, like America's too racist and sexist to vote for a woman candidate.
00:29:45.000 I think that it's absolutely on the issues.
00:29:47.000 I think it's on the policy. 0.67
00:29:48.000 And her running a campaign that wasn't really geared towards any vision and honestly capitulated a lot to the right. 0.98
00:29:54.000 She tried to almost run to the right of Donald Trump when it comes to things like military strength, having the most lethal military in the world.
00:30:01.000 She kept saying she's going to be the strong woman that makes sure that the global order stays in line.
00:30:06.000 I don't think that that's successful.
00:30:07.000 And that's the reason why she lost, she didn't have that vision that people.
00:30:11.000 Actually, I saw in a campaign.
00:30:12.000 I think the female factor plays a role in the turnout because we're talking about lowest common denominator, but I would agree with you.
00:30:19.000 Did you see that mock debate they did where they had a man play Hillary and a woman play Trump?
00:30:23.000 No, I didn't see that.
00:30:24.000 It was a university study out of New York and they had a mock debate, word for word, exactly the same.
00:30:30.000 And a man did Hillary and a woman did Trump and the woman won the debate.
00:30:34.000 The people who were in the study, they did a bunch of these debates and then surveyed everybody.
00:30:39.000 They said that the Hillary character, whether male or female, was smarmy and condescending.
00:30:44.000 And off putting, and the Trump figure, be it male or female, was like righteous indignation and frustration with the system.
00:30:52.000 So, they had like a stout woman in a red dress saying, No, you did this, and it was wrong, and we are sick of it.
00:30:58.000 And people felt that they resonated with it, even though it was a woman.
00:31:00.000 That's like the president of uh, of Italy.
00:31:04.000 What's her name, Georgie Maloney? 1.00
00:31:05.000 She's a badass. 1.00
00:31:06.000 That sure, it's a woman, I don't care.
00:31:08.000 Remember Berlusconi, huh?
00:31:10.000 Remember Berlusconi, uh, Berlusconi, yes, Italy.
00:31:14.000 I've heard that word before, and like, I've never heard really.
00:31:16.000 What does it mean?
00:31:17.000 It was a president.
00:31:19.000 No. 0.77
00:31:19.000 And he has like, he was notorious for having like beautiful women all around him and like. 0.77
00:31:24.000 Was he the president in Italian?
00:31:25.000 Whatever the leader of Italy is.
00:31:26.000 I don't know, prime minister or president or whatever, but it was like mafioso.
00:31:30.000 Oh.
00:31:31.000 You know, machismo.
00:31:33.000 No, no, I wasn't familiar.
00:31:34.000 Yeah, look it up.
00:31:34.000 Let me pull it up.
00:31:35.000 Yeah, I think if AOC was going to be the one, we'd start to see a lot more, I guess, in the next couple months, probably after the midterms.
00:31:42.000 And I think we'd have a better tell.
00:31:44.000 Come on.
00:31:45.000 Berlusconi.
00:31:46.000 It looks like Tony Soprano.
00:31:48.000 I mean, this is a long time ago, so.
00:31:51.000 I can't tell you, but.
00:31:52.000 I was 11 years old.
00:31:53.000 When you have Silvio Berlusconi prostitution trial, you know?
00:31:56.000 Damn.
00:31:57.000 Accused and convicted of paying a 17 year old Moroccan.
00:32:00.000 That's crazy.
00:32:01.000 Prime Minister.
00:32:02.000 For sexual services.
00:32:03.000 The role is prime minister.
00:32:06.000 I wanted to say about the girl from the earlier story before we kind of move away from it, Natalie, that I think I got a lot of empathy for this girl because if she.
00:32:14.000 Trump kind of seems to be serving as her father figure in her life, like strong male, paternal figure, and like she lost her father.
00:32:21.000 So I don't.
00:32:22.000 I don't think it's weird how she's acting.
00:32:24.000 It's just, it's questionable if you should even put young women in that position, is more.
00:32:30.000 It's just weird that you're using your employer, your boss, as that father figure role.
00:32:34.000 And, like, clearly, I'm not like I think that she needs a lot of therapy, obviously, because she has a lot of trauma in her life.
00:32:41.000 But I just don't think it's helpful for the situation for that type of workplace that your boss, the person that your livelihood is dependent on, you're also viewing as this father figure with all of your heart.
00:32:51.000 I know.
00:32:53.000 It's like a dangerous part of the job itself because if her obsession for him as a father figure outweighs her duty to do the job, that could become a real problem.
00:33:02.000 Yeah.
00:33:03.000 But I think Donald Trump likes that, which is more of a, I think the biggest part of the story is why does Donald Trump need these sycophants around him more so than in the US?
00:33:10.000 For the same reason he needs his name in gigantic gold letters on buildings all over the world.
00:33:15.000 Yeah.
00:33:16.000 And the bit is like when he was a little kid and he walked into, like his dad's in the study reading the paper, and he's a little boy and he walks and he goes, Daddy, look, I solved the puzzle.
00:33:25.000 And he goes, Oh, it's in here again.
00:33:28.000 And then the maid comes and carries him away.
00:33:31.000 I don't know why Trump would have a British or North Atlantic accent like that, but you know, it's a joke.
00:33:34.000 It's making noise.
00:33:36.000 It's making noise again.
00:33:38.000 I'm sure it would be.
00:33:39.000 But here's the thing, you know.
00:33:40.000 If you know Trump, you know how to get what you want.
00:33:42.000 And this is what I don't understand about Democrats all they have to do is butter him up.
00:33:46.000 That's what you saw with Zoran Omdani.
00:33:46.000 You butter him up.
00:33:49.000 Zoran's supposed to be literally the antithesis of MAGA, and Donald Trump is enamored by him every time that they're together.
00:33:54.000 Because he says nice things about him.
00:33:56.000 Well, I don't know.
00:33:57.000 Zoran doesn't really say nice things.
00:33:58.000 He's definitely cordial to him.
00:34:00.000 I don't think he even does that, really, because he called him a fascist to his face.
00:34:04.000 But I think what Donald Trump likes is winners.
00:34:06.000 I think he likes winners more than anything.
00:34:08.000 And Zoran defeating a previous governor.
00:34:11.000 In a race where he had 1% literally eight months before the election, I think Donald Trump sees like, okay, I respect a winner like that.
00:34:19.000 You're popular, so.
00:34:20.000 More than ideology.
00:34:21.000 And I think that it's indicative.
00:34:22.000 I'm not, too.
00:34:23.000 Yeah, well, yeah, Kim Jong Un, great leader, love President Xi.
00:34:28.000 He glorifies all of these people who are supposed to be his adversaries.
00:34:32.000 And I pissed him a lot of people off by being nice to Zoran.
00:34:34.000 Right, he butters them up because if you get, he subverts too.
00:34:39.000 He'll say he likes you and then backstab you.
00:34:41.000 Like, he's happy to do that shit.
00:34:43.000 Yeah, I mean, he's criticized Zoran, just not to his face.
00:34:45.000 Yeah.
00:34:47.000 I bring this up because I wonder if what Natalie is doing is actually just advancing her career.
00:34:51.000 She knows that when she says to Trump, I love you with all my heart, and you're the great, or not, I love you, but with all my heart, you're such a good person.
00:34:59.000 You're everything.
00:34:59.000 And, you know, I'll do anything for you.
00:35:01.000 She knows he's going to be like, give her a promotion, give her a raise.
00:35:04.000 100%.
00:35:04.000 And how sad is it that professional development is tied to undying devotion?
00:35:10.000 It's crazy.
00:35:10.000 Well, I will say, I'm glad that it's out in the open, but it's better than sexual favors.
00:35:16.000 Yeah, but no, but I'm like.
00:35:17.000 You know that's not going on?
00:35:18.000 Like, for sure.
00:35:19.000 But my point is this, like, This probably is much more common than people realize.
00:35:23.000 Just in general.
00:35:23.000 Yeah.
00:35:24.000 Yeah.
00:35:24.000 Of course.
00:35:25.000 People being like, you know, like buttering up your boss.
00:35:28.000 I mean, I know that's why bargaining is really important.
00:35:30.000 With companies, I used to be a cooker, and then I realized, oh, if I befriend the owner, I can immediately come at the top of the chain of the company.
00:35:38.000 And they'll have me come.
00:35:39.000 They'll be like, can you manage?
00:35:40.000 Can you do this?
00:35:41.000 Can you do this?
00:35:42.000 Maybe she was just like, hey, hold on, hold on. 0.50
00:35:44.000 The entire like media establishment and DC establishment was basically kissing Barack Obama's ass.
00:35:53.000 For eight years, Chris, uh, what's his name?
00:35:56.000 Chris Matthews got a thrill running up his leg.
00:35:58.000 This kind of, this kind of like buttering up the guy in charge, of course, whether or not we find it unseemly, it's still perfectly normal.
00:36:08.000 I would love to find a single letter that says, With all my heart, I'm so sorry that I let you down.
00:36:13.000 You are the most important thing that matters to me to Barack Obama.
00:36:16.000 I'd like to find a single letter.
00:36:17.000 I would not be, I mean, like, like I said, we already talked about like she's, she probably is a little bit like going, going a little overboard, but the idea of buttering up the boss or, or Kissing someone's ass.
00:36:28.000 That's.
00:36:29.000 But hold on, hold on.
00:36:30.000 I got to say, I bet Obama's got more of those letters than Trump does.
00:36:34.000 Not from people within his closest circle.
00:36:36.000 I don't agree in that.
00:36:37.000 I would love to bring that up because this is a unique case, which I don't believe in.
00:36:42.000 I agree.
00:36:43.000 I think Trump's the kind of guy where people close to him are butt sniffing and giving these letters.
00:36:48.000 But I think for Obama, he probably got more of those letters from people just outside the periphery.
00:36:54.000 Obama was a celebrity and he was.
00:36:56.000 The media butted him up.
00:36:57.000 Everybody loved him.
00:36:59.000 So for different reasons, I'm willing to bet that a bunch of people wrote letters to Obama where they were like, you're the bad guy.
00:37:04.000 I mean, he still has strong influence in the Democratic Party, but it's nowhere near the same level of.
00:37:09.000 Again, the cultist status that Donald Trump has built on the right, your career is dependent on how much Donald Trump views you as being loyal.
00:37:17.000 Yeah, but not anymore.
00:37:18.000 Ann Bondi, Chrissy Noam, Pulsey Gabbard.
00:37:20.000 Gone, gone.
00:37:21.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:37:23.000 Because he didn't view them as loyal enough.
00:37:25.000 Which is crazy because I feel like Chrissy Noam never said any criticism of Tyson.
00:37:29.000 I don't think it's.
00:37:30.000 Was it $200 million on that horse ad or whatever? 1.00
00:37:32.000 Yeah, because she was incompetent.
00:37:33.000 I don't think it's significantly different than Barack Obama.
00:37:36.000 I think that this particular case, like I said, I think that she's got the whole father figure thing, her dad died.
00:37:43.000 So, this case is a little bit different, but overall, people behaving like sycophants is not some kind of stronghold.
00:37:51.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:37:52.000 Obama was way more than Trump ever was.
00:37:55.000 But Obama was.
00:37:56.000 In terms of public fervor and love, Trump has a.
00:37:59.000 Well, approval rating, sure.
00:38:01.000 No, Control of the party, no.
00:38:04.000 Well, control of the party.
00:38:05.000 Absolutely not.
00:38:07.000 I agree with Mason.
00:38:08.000 Trump's got more commanding control of who runs, the endorsements he gets.
00:38:13.000 His endorsements almost always win, but not always.
00:38:14.000 Mason just fucking won, and he has every scandal in the book.
00:38:17.000 But, but.
00:38:18.000 I think as it goes to general population, Obama had way more sycophantic love from the populace than Trump did. 0.99
00:38:24.000 That might be true, but Obama, as far as I know, didn't hire 28 year old hot blonde chicks to be his assistants.
00:38:29.000 Agreed. 1.00
00:38:30.000 So he didn't get it on the inside.
00:38:31.000 But let's do this.
00:38:33.000 Publicly, so Trump's got, I think the estimate they give is a 40% base of the Republican Party that we would call the Trump cult.
00:38:40.000 They don't break from Trump no matter what.
00:38:42.000 They can.
00:38:43.000 40?
00:38:44.000 I feel like it's 33.
00:38:46.000 It might be.
00:38:46.000 But it's like a third.
00:38:48.000 To maybe, I don't know.
00:38:49.000 I let's just say 40.
00:38:50.000 What's the number in it right now?
00:38:52.000 Like 32, but no, no, no, not approval rating in general.
00:38:54.000 I'm saying of Republican voters, there's the estimate is about 40 percent don't care what Trump does, they love Trump no matter what.
00:39:02.000 Trump can like start a.
00:39:05.000 I feel like there's more than that.
00:39:06.000 No, man, look at her just like the poll that was like 100 of MACA voters love Trump.
00:39:10.000 Which, no, no, no, but hold on, hold on.
00:39:12.000 No, that's this is the number.
00:39:13.000 I'm not talking about whether you would support Trump, but I'm saying the cult that is got you.
00:39:18.000 Trump says no new wars and a.
00:39:20.000 Republicans and moderates who voted for Trump go, yay, we're voting for him.
00:39:24.000 Then the Iran war starts, and you get a fraction that break away and say, This is a mistake.
00:39:28.000 It's going to cause us problems.
00:39:30.000 But there's this diehard mega cult that says, No, we're in favor of it now.
00:39:33.000 Trump is right the whole time, no matter what.
00:39:34.000 And they invert their position because Trump is their position.
00:39:37.000 My point is.
00:39:38.000 Is that kind of like what you guys were saying, though?
00:39:39.000 About what?
00:39:40.000 On Tim Cass?
00:39:41.000 I feel like I saw something where there was like this theory that the Iran war was meant to like strangle China and like U.S. adversaries.
00:39:49.000 Is that true or has that position changed?
00:39:50.000 No, that's absolutely my position.
00:39:52.000 But how is that support of?
00:39:53.000 Well, isn't that saying that there's a strategic reason why we need to do this to hurt our adversary?
00:39:59.000 Well, you're interpreting need.
00:40:01.000 Yeah, trying to understand what's going on is not the same as.
00:40:03.000 See, this is a problem with the internet, right?
00:40:05.000 I have a video where I literally said, this is a failure.
00:40:09.000 I'm sorry, it just is, and Trump's not going to tell you the truth about it.
00:40:12.000 I understand what they're trying to do.
00:40:14.000 If you look at the bigger picture, but a lot of people who don't pay attention are going to scream, Israel did it.
00:40:17.000 But when you look at every single move Trump has made, it even predates Trump.
00:40:22.000 All of this is lining up the Gulf of America, even the renaming of it, for.
00:40:27.000 For oil exports to originate from the Gulf, from the port of Houston.
00:40:31.000 That's why you've got Panama, Venezuela, Cuba.
00:40:33.000 That's why you've got the attempts at the Northwest Passage, and China's oil imports are being cut off.
00:40:37.000 None of that is to say it's good we did it.
00:40:39.000 In fact, I literally called it a failure.
00:40:40.000 Trump is now draining the SPR to levels we've not seen since 1982 to try and stabilize gas prices because our economy is screwed up.
00:40:47.000 But for some reason, literally starting a video with Trump is failing and he's going to lie about this, people go, I guess Tim supports the war now.
00:40:58.000 And I'm like, I support, in a way, American military dominance.
00:41:03.000 I didn't use to.
00:41:04.000 I used to think war bad, stop.
00:41:05.000 But now I'm like, well, what's the alternative here?
00:41:08.000 Chinese military dominance?
00:41:09.000 Because it's going to be somebody militarily dominating the planet.
00:41:12.000 It just seems like that interpretation is a part of the Trump post hoc justification for the war.
00:41:18.000 It's not because they're lying about it and they won't tell you this.
00:41:20.000 And they're telling you it's because of nuclear weapons, which is a lie because they bombed them last year over nuclear weapons.
00:41:25.000 So it's not the Trump's official line is nuclear weapons.
00:41:28.000 And that's not correct.
00:41:29.000 It's legacy.
00:41:30.000 I think Donald Trump wants to be the president that actually went into Iran and took them down and stopped the regime.
00:41:36.000 We stopped it in Venezuela.
00:41:37.000 We'll stop it in Iran.
00:41:38.000 I'm going to be the president that establishes dominance.
00:41:40.000 That's a component.
00:41:41.000 Don't get me wrong.
00:41:42.000 But let's start from the beginning.
00:41:44.000 It's not going to be economic strangling China when Americans are the ones that are also going to take the front.
00:41:48.000 Which you definitely think that the war is a failure.
00:41:50.000 What's happening is everyone's losing 20%.
00:41:52.000 But because we're so far ahead, our loss is still going to keep us above everyone else.
00:41:57.000 They're taking political suicide in the midterms, potentially in 2028.
00:42:00.000 They're hurting everyone else.
00:42:01.000 So look at it this way.
00:42:02.000 Okay, okay, okay.
00:42:03.000 Let's look at it this way.
00:42:04.000 Let's say you've got half a tank of gas, China's got a quarter tank of gas, and you both have to go 100 miles.
00:42:10.000 Trump's like, I'm going to burn the half tank.
00:42:13.000 China's getting hurt, but it's not going to cripple them economically.
00:42:17.000 It's cut their oil by 44%.
00:42:19.000 And they've implemented controls and emergency energy releases.
00:42:23.000 They've switched their taxi fleets from gas to electric already.
00:42:25.000 Yeah, this is a big deal.
00:42:26.000 They're getting choked out.
00:42:28.000 So let's start from the beginning.
00:42:29.000 This is important because people can't seem to understand.
00:42:33.000 Let me phrase it like this Not only was I in some of these countries at the start of these conflicts, but I've been tracking this since I was a teenager and involved in the protests around Afghanistan in the Iraq war.
00:42:44.000 Every day of my life, reading the news about what was going on.
00:42:47.000 So let's go back as far, not even as far as I can go, but we can go, and this is for all the people who might watch this who don't know what's going on, and assume that understanding the conflict is support for it.
00:42:57.000 It is not.
00:42:59.000 First, the Qatar Turkey pipeline, my favorite story.
00:43:02.000 The US went to Syria and said, We want to build a natural gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf through Iraq, Syria, Turkey into Europe to offset the Gazprom gas monopoly.
00:43:11.000 This is a fact.
00:43:12.000 Bashar al Assad said, No, we are allied with Russia.
00:43:16.000 Who has a naval base in Tartus?
00:43:18.000 We are not going to allow you to build a gas pipeline that would offset our allies' control of energy in Europe.
00:43:24.000 Then, Syria, Russia, and Iran said, let's tap the same natural gas field, build it through Syria, and strengthen Russia's gas monopoly.
00:43:34.000 Now, this is where there's a gap because I don't want to make insinuations, but surprisingly, within a year, the United States declares that Bashar al Assad is a terrorist state and we enter the conflict on the side of the rebel fighters.
00:43:45.000 Like 2013 ish?
00:43:46.000 So, this is around 2011, actually, the start of the Arab Spring.
00:43:49.000 Into the Syrian civil war.
00:43:51.000 And the United States says, we're going to side with the rebels, which ultimately all of them form an Islamist nightmare, which is ISIS.
00:43:58.000 And they end up with weapons that were delivered by the Obama administration.
00:44:01.000 The speculation, because again, I'm trying to be nice, is that the U.S. needed to remove Bashar al Assad so we could build a gas pipeline through Syria and Turkey because, again, Russia controlled 20% of natural gas into Europe.
00:44:12.000 And Europe was starting to favor Russian interests because they needed the energy.
00:44:16.000 Fast forward to 2014, 2016.
00:44:20.000 Ukraine was split between joining, staying in the Russian Trade Federation, or joining the European Union.
00:44:25.000 Russia says if you join the European Union, European goods are going to flood the Russian market, so we're going to cut you off.
00:44:31.000 Pick one.
00:44:32.000 Unfortunately for Russia, Ukrainians were like, we'd rather be in the EU, we'll be wealthy.
00:44:37.000 If Ukraine joins the EU, Russia's control or access to the Black Sea would be at risk because Crimea, their only warm water port, is Ukraine.
00:44:47.000 So what does Russia do?
00:44:49.000 They annex Crimea, fearing that Ukraine would fall to the European Union.
00:44:53.000 Also, this would compromise Gazprom.
00:44:58.000 Which is how they control the price of gas in Europe.
00:45:01.000 Russia's principal export is energy.
00:45:04.000 They need it for their economy.
00:45:05.000 We then get the Nord Stream pipelines from Russia into Germany.
00:45:09.000 One of them blows up Nord Stream 2.
00:45:11.000 Germany has accused Ukrainians of bombing the undersea pipeline that was delivering Russian gas to Germany.
00:45:17.000 There's speculation that CIA frogmen were involved in this.
00:45:20.000 If it is true that Ukrainians bombed our allies' pipeline in NATO, that would trigger Article 5, and the U.S. would be forced to enter the war against Ukraine.
00:45:31.000 That's insane.
00:45:32.000 Germany has issued an arrest warrant for the Ukrainian who they accuse of doing this.
00:45:36.000 The U.S., I presume, would be on the side of Germany, but for some reason it stayed out of it.
00:45:40.000 Now we get the Ukrainian conflict.
00:45:42.000 Burisma.
00:45:43.000 Joe Biden has his son on the board of Burisma Energy Company.
00:45:46.000 Why?
00:45:47.000 When we couldn't get the Qatar Turkey pipeline into Europe, the United States shifted its resources to control of Ukraine.
00:45:53.000 If we can get political dominance in Ukraine, we can stifle the Gazprom monopoly through Burisma and other energy sources if Ukraine joins the EU.
00:46:02.000 Hence, now Russia is invading, sealing this land bridge to give them access to Crimea, which is the home of their Black Sea fleet.
00:46:10.000 The Kherson Bridge was bombed, so that's not a safe means of access for Russia.
00:46:14.000 And they're not going to spend a billion dollars putting up a new base in Russian territory in the Black Sea and give away their naval port.
00:46:22.000 So now we have this war.
00:46:24.000 Currently, now we have a problem with Israel bombing Syria, Turkey moving in in Syria, when Bashar al Assad has been forced to flee.
00:46:31.000 And the U.S. interest is in getting the Syrian government to allow us to secure these pipelines.
00:46:36.000 That brings us to everything we've seen in the beginning of the Trump administration.
00:46:39.000 He renames the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, which seems silly.
00:46:42.000 He takes Venezuela.
00:46:43.000 He's pacified the Caribbean by bombing these vessels.
00:46:46.000 And he's surrounded Cuba, cutting them off from all energy, isolating their government, forcing a destabilization.
00:46:52.000 He renegotiated the Panama deal, and he's currently trying to gain access to Greenland, which would give us military access to the Northwest Passage.
00:46:58.000 Then it brings us to Iran, the Strait of Hormuz, 20% of the world's oil.
00:47:03.000 I do not believe Trump is trying to take out nuclear weapons.
00:47:06.000 I believe the intention is, as Trump just posted, New U.S. territory is to create permanent control of 20% of global oil exports.
00:47:14.000 Trump wants to dominate the world.
00:47:16.000 Everything he's done has centered oil exporting through Houston and the Gulf of America.
00:47:20.000 And now he's shut down the Strait of Hormuz, which is isolated BRICS nations, India, China, particularly.
00:47:26.000 He did shut down the Strait of Hormuz.
00:47:28.000 He started the war.
00:47:29.000 Then the Strait got shut down.
00:47:30.000 And I believe that is the intended condition.
00:47:33.000 I think the Israelis started the war and he joined.
00:47:35.000 And I think the Israelis wanted a nuclear program.
00:47:39.000 Trump was like, well, now that we're here, we might as well control the oil.
00:47:42.000 You don't think?
00:47:43.000 Israel wants to obliterate Iran, period, because Iran funds the Al Qassam brigades, Hamas, as well as the Houthi rebels in Yemen.
00:47:52.000 So Israel is basically saying, these guys are the ones making the war against us.
00:47:57.000 We're going to destroy them.
00:47:58.000 We want regime change.
00:47:59.000 The United States also wants regime change in Iran.
00:48:02.000 That's why we got Iraq and Afghanistan, which is a pincer strike on the Iranians.
00:48:05.000 But Iran is a giant mountain.
00:48:07.000 It's not easy to just take out.
00:48:09.000 And the U.S. is struggling.
00:48:10.000 Such a failure is because the only two options left are further escalation.
00:48:14.000 Which are taking over the islands in an attempt to do a siege onto the mainland, which is going to fail unless we're really willing to obliterate most of the Iranian civilians.
00:48:22.000 They won't put it in the air.
00:48:23.000 Well, let's define failure.
00:48:24.000 Or it's going to be just.
00:48:25.000 To complete surrender and give the Iranians exactly what they want, which is a restoration fund, which is giving them the reparations that they're asking for, allowing them to continue to control the strait.
00:48:34.000 And we've gone from 150 or so ships that were going through Hormuz to like, what, 10 now?
00:48:40.000 I think is the thing.
00:48:41.000 And I believe that's on purpose.
00:48:42.000 I read that.
00:48:42.000 Trump, see, see, this is what I disagree with because your argument would be Trump accidentally destroyed the U.S. economy.
00:48:50.000 No, I think that Trump knew that there were going to be risks, but he was willing to take it because he feels this invincible.
00:48:56.000 I'm the it man.
00:48:57.000 I am the guy who's going to tackle Iran.
00:49:00.000 20 years of US foreign policy.
00:49:01.000 Well, the last presidential administrations, leading all the way back to Ronald Reagan, wanted Iran to fall.
00:49:06.000 They wanted control, but they were worried of what that would do to the global economy, which is exactly what we're starting to see right now.
00:49:12.000 Agreed.
00:49:13.000 Trump taking this risk and it being a failure.
00:49:15.000 Can't you say it was a failure?
00:49:15.000 It's not stupid.
00:49:16.000 Indeed.
00:49:17.000 And I don't think the issue is that it's a risk.
00:49:18.000 It's that Trump is not going to publicly say, we knew this would happen.
00:49:23.000 Imagine if Trump did.
00:49:24.000 Regardless if Trump did say that or not, it's going to be a failure amongst the American people.
00:49:27.000 Which is why there's such disagreement with the war.
00:49:29.000 Which is why he needs a Cass's belly, which is, oh, they have nuclear weapons.
00:49:33.000 But nobody believes that.
00:49:34.000 I agree.
00:49:35.000 That's why Trump is.
00:49:36.000 What's he going to say?
00:49:37.000 We shut down the Strait of Hormuz to strangle the BRICS nations.
00:49:40.000 It's better than a lie that nobody believes.
00:49:43.000 No, he doesn't.
00:49:44.000 Why wouldn't he just say we need American economic dominance?
00:49:47.000 Wait, We don't want China to be able to continue to get.
00:49:50.000 You think Trump would get.
00:49:51.000 Would you support Trump if he came out and said.
00:49:52.000 Oh.
00:49:54.000 Who would support Trump if he said we did this on purpose?
00:49:57.000 Republicans that want to see China crippled.
00:49:59.000 Yeah, but moderates and Democrats, well, Democrats are out, but the moderates are going to be like, screw off, we don't want war.
00:50:04.000 So you're saying the moderates approve of him saying that we're going to get rid of their nuclear weapons?
00:50:07.000 I don't think the moderates buy that either.
00:50:09.000 Most people, if you have two people and you have a choice of what you're going to try to sell them on, you sell them the lowest common denominator.
00:50:17.000 The existential threat of Iranian nuclear weapons is understandable by someone who doesn't pay attention.
00:50:22.000 But if you go to them and say, I just choked out 20% of the global oil supply, causing a global economic crisis, and I'm now draining the SPR to make up for that loss.
00:50:31.000 Why?
00:50:32.000 I want to choke BRICS nations.
00:50:33.000 They're going to say, go F yourself.
00:50:35.000 This is your fault.
00:50:36.000 And they're going to say, I'm going to vote for somebody else.
00:50:38.000 So you go to them and lie and say, but they've got nuclear weapons.
00:50:41.000 We have to stop them.
00:50:42.000 And at least some of those people are going to go, well, I guess so.
00:50:45.000 Way less than before the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, though, because so many people are keyed into the numbers.
00:50:51.000 Let me just say this.
00:50:52.000 Regardless of what you're saying is the justification, you're agreeing that this is a strategic failure.
00:50:57.000 As of this point, this has been a nightmare of a conflict.
00:51:02.000 So the SPR being drained down to what, like 100?
00:51:05.000 It's going to 170 million barrels?
00:51:07.000 With the argument of you ceding to that, are you saying that in the future this is going to end up being a net positive?
00:51:13.000 That's a question of America.
00:51:14.000 You're going to get oil in the gold.
00:51:16.000 But again, that's like saying I'll put money down a baseball team to win.
00:51:19.000 And then it's like, will I make money?
00:51:20.000 Well, if they win.
00:51:22.000 If Trump is able to.
00:51:26.000 Let me simplify it.
00:51:28.000 First, as I've said a million times, I'd never vote for this war.
00:51:31.000 I won't support this war.
00:51:33.000 But I hope the United States wins in all respects to whatever the United States is doing.
00:51:37.000 The simple way to explain this plan is Trump is trying to center global oil in the Gulf of America, and that's his obsession.
00:51:44.000 That's why Panama, Greenland, all of these things line up.
00:51:47.000 The idea is I am going to cause 70% damage to America and 80% damage to China.
00:51:58.000 China gets half of its energy imports on the Strait of Hormuz, the U.S. is an oil exporter.
00:52:04.000 This is Trump's plan.
00:52:06.000 But you're never going to go, especially in a midterm year, and tell the American people, you want to know why you can't afford your gas right now or why eggs cost so much money or why the economy is in a downturn?
00:52:14.000 I did that.
00:52:15.000 They're going to be like, okay, I'm voting for somebody else.
00:52:17.000 So he's going to come out and lie and say, they've got nuclear weapons.
00:52:21.000 We have to stop them.
00:52:22.000 Yeah, I just think the American people already understand that it is Trump's fault, which is why his disapproval is so large right now.
00:52:28.000 Agreed.
00:52:28.000 Yeah.
00:52:29.000 But again, he's not going to come out and say, hey, my approval rating should go down.
00:52:33.000 Right.
00:52:33.000 He's going to lie to try and bolster this military failure.
00:52:37.000 I'm not like, I don't hate on him for lying because sometimes you're the commander in chief of military.
00:52:41.000 Your job is to subvert and lie to the opponent.
00:52:44.000 The problem is when you start lying to the domestic population because the rest of the world's watching, so you have to.
00:52:48.000 Otherwise, they're going to lose their lives.
00:52:50.000 Americans' financial status does not even take.
00:52:53.000 Like, what did he say to the press?
00:52:55.000 He's like, I don't even think about Americans' financial state when I'm making these decisions.
00:52:59.000 I'm the president.
00:53:00.000 Everyone has to deal with it.
00:53:01.000 So, here's the important understanding of why I would call this a failure draining the strategic petroleum reserve to try and keep gas down in the United States, that is when you are failing.
00:53:12.000 Our strategic petroleum reserve is not for gas prices, it is for when we are threatened, we are at war, and we need energy to fight back.
00:53:19.000 For Trump to have started this war, and again, with pressure from Israel, no doubt, To now be at a point where we have to drain what's what something like we're going for like 40% of the SPR to the point where they're saying it's going to damage the caverns.
00:53:31.000 Looking for the numbers, I don't know.
00:53:32.000 Biden did this.
00:53:33.000 Biden drained the SPR because our oil prices were screwed up, and this is not what it is for.
00:53:39.000 Trump refilled it early on, but now we're draining it again to choke out the Strait of Hormuz.
00:53:45.000 If, however, Trump's gambit does work, which I'm not confident in, we will be in a down period for some time.
00:53:55.000 Perhaps in four or five years, the United States will see some benefit from this.
00:54:00.000 The simple way that the media likes to say it is short term pain for long term gain.
00:54:04.000 My response is no casus belli, no war.
00:54:07.000 We, the United States, do not start wars for the purpose of damaging other countries economically to improve our economic situation five years later.
00:54:15.000 This is not what we voted for.
00:54:17.000 It's not what our country should be doing to succeed.
00:54:19.000 And right now, it's pissing everybody off.
00:54:22.000 And it's pissing me off because I can see it in the prices of everything we do.
00:54:26.000 And if the president's going to come out and lie about what's really going on, I think that is also a big problem.
00:54:31.000 That being said, I understand governments lie and those with power take power.
00:54:34.000 There is a possibility that in the end, we get substantial economic damage from this, but we destroy bricks.
00:54:41.000 And then we feel good about it 10 years later.
00:54:44.000 Right now, people are suffering.
00:54:46.000 The economy is bad.
00:54:47.000 It is palpably bad.
00:54:49.000 And I do not feel that there's a justifiable reason to be involved in this.
00:54:55.000 There's two principal camps on the surface Israel forced us to do it.
00:54:59.000 We had nuclear weapons.
00:55:00.000 We had no choice.
00:55:01.000 Both of which are half truths.
00:55:04.000 You have to look at the big picture of the past 20 years with the Qatar Turkey pipeline and all the actions in the Gulf of America, especially with Venezuela.
00:55:12.000 And it's all about, again, we're going to cause pain to the Americans today in hopes that in the next five, 10 years, we're energy dominant and China's not.
00:55:22.000 Oh, man.
00:55:23.000 And technology is advancing so rapidly.
00:55:24.000 They'll be using non petroleum based energy fuel sources by then.
00:55:28.000 That's the crazy part.
00:55:29.000 I don't think so.
00:55:29.000 You don't think the potential energy is going to be?
00:55:31.000 I think that, no, absolutely not.
00:55:33.000 The Chinese are.
00:55:34.000 You are completely wrong in because what you don't understand is that petroleum is the means of controlling populations.
00:55:39.000 If we allow anyone to develop fusion technology, they will get off the petrodollar.
00:55:43.000 We will blow them up.
00:55:44.000 Weapons is the means to control domestic populations.
00:55:47.000 The fuel will give you the means to forge weapons.
00:55:50.000 No, no, no, no.
00:55:51.000 Weapons are the last resort of conflict that are no guarantee.
00:55:54.000 I think it's the main thing that you use to control people.
00:55:56.000 No.
00:55:57.000 If everybody needs gas and gas prices.
00:55:59.000 When is the tipping point when we're done using non renewable energy sources?
00:56:04.000 I don't think at least.
00:56:05.000 Non renewable.
00:56:05.000 No, they use the liberal.
00:56:06.000 No, they use the liberal.
00:56:07.000 The liberal carbon constantly keeps making new oil and in perpetuity.
00:56:11.000 We're not going to run out.
00:56:12.000 We continue to expand.
00:56:13.000 We're not going to run out because they're also synthesizing it.
00:56:16.000 The issue is the liberal economic order, the United States hegemonic system is predicated on the petrodollar.
00:56:23.000 Ain't no way Trump or the military industrial complex gives that up.
00:56:27.000 Right, but the Chinese don't give a shit about that.
00:56:29.000 Which is why, if they get close to getting off of that, war will start.
00:56:35.000 Like if they start using the.
00:56:36.000 Thucydides trap, bro.
00:56:37.000 And also, most of China's military machine still runs on oil.
00:56:43.000 Like they do have, you know, some electric powered drones or whatever.
00:56:47.000 But all their ships and stuff, most of them are diesel ships still.
00:56:50.000 I think the future.
00:56:51.000 Most of their tanks and stuff like that, they're all run on some kind of petroleum product.
00:56:56.000 The future of Warcraft, just with technological innovation, is going to be so much different.
00:57:01.000 I think even in the next 15 to 20 years, with the advent of AI and just broader attacks, it's really way different.
00:57:07.000 That's why I brought up batteries and stuff, because drones are going to run off batteries.
00:57:12.000 Right.
00:57:12.000 And so drones are going to be a major part of the future of warfare.
00:57:17.000 But still, you're talking about like.
00:57:19.000 If you're dealing with missiles, like, sure, there are solid rocket boosters and stuff, but if you're talking about anything that has an engine, it's all running off of, you know, it's all running off of.
00:57:28.000 Bro, the energy output of oil is better than everything.
00:57:31.000 And you're not going to get a microfusion reactor for a car.
00:57:34.000 Well, hydrogen.
00:57:34.000 Hydrogen is pretty lightweight.
00:57:36.000 You've hived that, though.
00:57:37.000 It's volatile and it's hard to produce and ship.
00:57:39.000 And the underlying energy source for hydrogen is still oil.
00:57:44.000 Have you seen any significant infrastructure move towards hydrogen?
00:57:48.000 No, the oil industry is suppressing it.
00:57:50.000 Well, exactly.
00:57:51.000 But that's not going to do it.
00:57:52.000 That's not going to do it.
00:57:54.000 The Chinese are out of this industry.
00:57:56.000 This is a component of why Trump is like, we're going to burn them to the ground.
00:57:59.000 The United States, the military industrial complex, the Western powers are not going to let bricks run away with energy outside the petrodollar.
00:58:05.000 We're talking about the future of warfare.
00:58:07.000 The German blitzkrieg was under.
00:58:09.000 People didn't understand that you could drive tanks through a mountain three days straight because that had never existed before.
00:58:13.000 The blitz was in London, wasn't it?
00:58:15.000 The blitzkrieg was through the Ardennes forest in eastern France.
00:58:17.000 The Germans came with tanks and they took like amphetamines and stayed up for days and they drove these tanks which had never been seen.
00:58:23.000 They were all dudes up, coked up, and just rolling.
00:58:25.000 They conquered Paris in like two weeks.
00:58:27.000 The Chinese could attack from straight.
00:58:29.000 Real quick.
00:58:29.000 Wait, wait.
00:58:30.000 The Blitz was a bombing campaign by Nazi Germany and Italy against the United Kingdom.
00:58:34.000 Look at the Blitz.
00:58:35.000 I think, Ian, you're talking about the book Blitzed.
00:58:37.000 No, no.
00:58:37.000 Blitzed is a Norman.
00:58:39.000 Blitzkrieg is a generic term.
00:58:41.000 Yeah.
00:58:41.000 It means lightning warfare.
00:58:41.000 Germans use it.
00:58:42.000 It's lightning warfare that these.
00:58:43.000 The Blitz specifically.
00:58:44.000 The Blitz specifically talks about the Ardennes Forest attack.
00:58:46.000 It started off the war against France.
00:58:47.000 Just to clarify, because the Blitz was bombing.
00:58:49.000 They were in total peace, sneak attack.
00:58:51.000 The Germans attacked France out of nowhere.
00:58:54.000 They blasted through the woods, an undefended area, because they thought it was impossible.
00:58:57.000 We can never be attacked here.
00:58:58.000 Yeah, the Maginot Line was their expected attack defense area, but south of that was these dense mountain forests.
00:59:04.000 And they're like, no one's coming through dense mountain forests, but the tanks could.
00:59:07.000 So these drones can come from straight above.
00:59:09.000 They can knock out our oil supply, they can knock out our big cities all at once.
00:59:13.000 If our communication systems go out, who thinks they're going to win?
00:59:16.000 Like, you can't win if you've just been.
00:59:19.000 Did you know that the U.S. has something like 400 fake nuclear silos?
00:59:23.000 Good.
00:59:24.000 You know why?
00:59:25.000 Fakes to get sneak attacked on the wrong spot, hopefully.
00:59:28.000 It's crazy.
00:59:30.000 Well, so the first, I think the most important thing to understand is two things.
00:59:32.000 Biological warfare is a component of the future of warfare, but psychological, actually, I just had a great conversation with the AI guy, and that's going to come out on Sunday at the Tim Pool Show.
00:59:41.000 Check it out.
00:59:42.000 But he mentioned that he had a really great point.
00:59:44.000 He said, if you went back to the late 1800s, 1890, and asked someone to envision the future of warfare, what will the weapons look like?
00:59:52.000 Most people would get it wrong.
00:59:53.000 But the smartest cannons in the sky, gigantic cannons, bigger than I've ever seen.
00:59:57.000 However, they still had, at this time, they had a general understanding of, of, of, It was very rudimentary.
01:00:06.000 They just knew that they didn't know anything about it.
01:00:08.000 And if somebody could theorize as to what it might look like, they may have gotten it right.
01:00:12.000 In fact, he said H.G. Wells wrote about atomic weapons that were heat rays.
01:00:17.000 The interesting thing is, the Manhattan Project, a lot of conspiracy theorists think nobody knew.
01:00:21.000 Nobody knew.
01:00:22.000 I got the Life magazines.
01:00:22.000 It's not true.
01:00:23.000 We're going to read them.
01:00:25.000 Everybody knew the U.S. was building a weapon.
01:00:26.000 300,000 people were working on it, but nobody knew what the weapon was.
01:00:29.000 That's compartmentalization.
01:00:31.000 There were theories that it was a nuclear bomb, an atomic bomb, potentially a heat ray.
01:00:36.000 Nobody knew for sure, but they knew a weapon was being made.
01:00:39.000 A heat ray was one of these things.
01:00:40.000 Now, what he said was one of the areas of science that we.
01:00:44.000 Is a heat ray like a laser?
01:00:45.000 Like a laser gun.
01:00:46.000 They didn't know.
01:00:47.000 They didn't understand.
01:00:48.000 In the public, they didn't know what atomic technology could do.
01:00:51.000 And then we found out when we blew up Japan.
01:00:54.000 He said, like psychology.
01:00:57.000 Nuclear bombs, kind of thing.
01:00:58.000 Like neurology.
01:01:00.000 These are the things that we know we're lacking.
01:01:01.000 We don't understand exactly how the brain works.
01:01:05.000 And when AI starts to map the brain, we are going to have psychological weapons, literally the ability to program a thought through visual or like audio manipulation.
01:01:16.000 So, an example of this did you guys know that there is an LED device?
01:01:20.000 That is marketed to police that they point at you like a gun and it flashes lights that will make you vomit.
01:01:26.000 Called a dazzler.
01:01:28.000 The dazzlers blind you.
01:01:29.000 Oh, okay.
01:01:29.000 Dazzlers are high powered lasers that they can flash you in the eyes and it shocks your eyes for about 30 seconds.
01:01:35.000 But there's a device that can flicker LED.
01:01:37.000 That's like sound devices, these two.
01:01:39.000 They use the LRED devices.
01:01:40.000 But specifically in psychology, the strobe light somehow causes a nausea, it nauseates you and then it makes it hard for you to function and some people vomit.
01:01:40.000 LRED.
01:01:49.000 It's called LED incapacitato.
01:01:51.000 Yes.
01:01:52.000 And they've been marketing these for a long time.
01:01:55.000 If AI starts mapping out how the human brain works, they could theoretically make sounds that will elicit insane emotions, depression.
01:02:04.000 Imagine you're out in a protest and they blast the depression beam, and then everyone just falls down crying uncontrollably and they don't understand why.
01:02:12.000 Things like that.
01:02:13.000 Taking out an entire city by playing a sound from a blimp that makes all the soldiers just start crying and collapsing.
01:02:19.000 Or on their own radios or their own TVs, or their phones start playing music and everyone's like.
01:02:25.000 I like the point about giant cannons.
01:02:27.000 If you go back, because there's this really funny art of the year 2000 that was written in like 1908, and firefighters had mechanical wings, and it showed them pedaling and flapping wings while they flew above buildings, spraying them down.
01:02:42.000 Because the understanding of technology was mechanical and steam powered.
01:02:45.000 So when you start there and then make something better, it's something like a guy pedaling wings.
01:02:52.000 Whereas once you understood atomic nuclear energy or whatever, Computing, then all of a sudden the door is open to things that are.
01:03:00.000 In technology, they call it miniaturization.
01:03:02.000 It's like making smaller, yet more effective pieces of things, weapons, and like gene editing.
01:03:09.000 My God, if they can go in there and snip your RNA code and replace it with a sound or a chemical in your food or something, or like a bug that's been released into the environment.
01:03:21.000 French postcard.
01:03:25.000 They're wearing wing backpacks and they're flying around to put fires out.
01:03:28.000 They're still trying to make jetpacks and stuff.
01:03:30.000 Isn't it crazy?
01:03:31.000 The ladder's gone.
01:03:32.000 That's the only improvement.
01:03:33.000 Yep.
01:03:34.000 Like, there's still a steam engine train, but they're like, firefighters will fly.
01:03:38.000 Like, there's like a 50 foot hose.
01:03:39.000 Yeah.
01:03:39.000 This is kind of like, I understand the near term desire to stifle Iran and control the petroleum, but do they not think far ahead, or is it just there's no other choice?
01:03:50.000 Like, if we don't take evasive action right now, in six years, the Chinese petroleum based economy will dominate the AI space.
01:03:57.000 They have the productions, they are poised to take Taiwan for chip production.
01:04:02.000 You don't think that they're.
01:04:03.000 Petroleum is not going to be a major factor when it comes to AI data centers.
01:04:07.000 It's going to be nuclear, possibly renewals.
01:04:11.000 But honestly, I think that if Musk can get data centers into space, everyone's going to follow him because there's endless amounts of light.
01:04:18.000 They can do radiated heating and stuff, get rid of the heat that way.
01:04:22.000 If he can figure it out, a lot of companies are going to follow suit.
01:04:25.000 Check this out LED incapacitator, a light emitting diode incapacitator weapon designed like a flashlight, extremely bright, rapid, well focused series of differently colored random pulses.
01:04:35.000 It can cause intracranial pressure, headache, nausea, vomiting, disorientation, irritability, and visual impairment to the target.
01:04:42.000 That's, yeah, I said incapacitato because it was cutting off the R, yes.
01:04:46.000 Incapacitato.
01:04:47.000 Potato. 0.98
01:04:48.000 Incapacitato.
01:04:49.000 The Italian version.
01:04:50.000 There's also, I lament the discontinuation of the laser induced plasma channel.
01:04:57.000 Yeah, we got to make more of them to charge the sun at the very least.
01:04:59.000 What?
01:05:00.000 We got to send hydrogen into the sun so it doesn't keep it.
01:05:01.000 We cannot nearly charge the sun with the energy we have in it.
01:05:04.000 We got to build a big one.
01:05:05.000 The sun is our battery.
01:05:06.000 So a laser induced plasma channel uses a high powered infrared laser to superheat the air in a straight line, creating a path of least resistance for a high electrical charge.
01:05:17.000 Effectively, it's a lightning gun.
01:05:20.000 So the question is that was asked, they were doing this at Picatinny Air Force Base.
01:05:24.000 It's like, look, I'm sitting right here and I want to electrocute that guy over there.
01:05:24.000 How can I?
01:05:29.000 What do I do?
01:05:31.000 Well, the problem is the way electricity works is it goes, it's a positive negative charge.
01:05:35.000 It's going to jump to the path of least resistance to balance the charge.
01:05:39.000 So if you have a high powered electrode, it's just going to hit the ground.
01:05:41.000 It's going to go straight to the ground.
01:05:43.000 But if you fire an infrared laser first, then the supercharged pathway from that laser is the easiest path.
01:05:49.000 The electricity just goes straight through it.
01:05:51.000 Within a split second, like a millisecond, nanosecond, you infrared laser on, electrode on, and it blasts the target with a lightning bolt.
01:05:51.000 So you.
01:06:00.000 Beesh.
01:06:00.000 Requires too much power to make it unwieldy.
01:06:02.000 You can't transport it, and who cares?
01:06:04.000 We'll blow you up with a bomb.
01:06:05.000 And if they're building it, they wouldn't tell us.
01:06:07.000 Oh, no, no, no.
01:06:07.000 It's lasers.
01:06:08.000 This was a discontinued weapon.
01:06:09.000 That's how we know.
01:06:10.000 And you can actually make little ones.
01:06:12.000 Trust the government.
01:06:13.000 Trust the government.
01:06:13.000 What's it?
01:06:14.000 They're making little ones.
01:06:14.000 They're making little ones.
01:06:15.000 Just like they discontinued MK Ultra and making new ones.
01:06:18.000 So, what I will just say on the foreign policy thing is one of the most difficult things about this is that most people.
01:06:24.000 Don't know anything about what's been going on internationally, don't understand the cause and effect of the.
01:06:29.000 And I'll put it like this the Qatar Turkey pipeline, where I start, is still 50 years late in the game.
01:06:35.000 It's reductive all the way to the bottom.
01:06:37.000 You want to go back to the British oil in Iran, them trying to control the oil?
01:06:40.000 Exactly.
01:06:40.000 This goes back to the Shah.
01:06:41.000 This goes back to 79.
01:06:42.000 It goes back to 1920.
01:06:42.000 Really?
01:06:44.000 So the challenge, of course, is that a friend of mine, this liberal guy, just sends me all this stuff all the time.
01:06:44.000 I mean, back to.
01:06:51.000 And every argument about the war with Iran, it's like it started today.
01:06:56.000 And.
01:06:57.000 Like, we went here because Israel did this.
01:06:59.000 Like, well, there's a handful of questions.
01:07:01.000 Why did Israel do it?
01:07:02.000 Then there's a handful of questions.
01:07:03.000 Why did Iran do it?
01:07:04.000 There's a handful of questions.
01:07:05.000 What were we trying to do with oil in the Gulf?
01:07:07.000 Right?
01:07:08.000 The questions go back much, much further today.
01:07:10.000 This war did not start overnight.
01:07:11.000 And the issues that people are citing, it's like looking at the tip of the Empire State Building and saying that's where the building starts.
01:07:18.000 That's the foundation.
01:07:18.000 I have on good information that you're an Israeli shill, actually.
01:07:22.000 Oh, yeah.
01:07:23.000 You take all of your orders from BB himself.
01:07:25.000 Oh, that's my question.
01:07:26.000 His name's Alex Jones.
01:07:27.000 What's going on with that whole feud?
01:07:30.000 When we talk about what he's talking about, I went on Jubilee and my name was trending nonstop, and people want to put my name on X to hit the trend and get more access.
01:07:40.000 You think Alex Jones talked about you because of Jubilee?
01:07:42.000 Yeah.
01:07:42.000 Really?
01:07:42.000 Absolutely.
01:07:43.000 Tons of people.
01:07:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:44.000 What's his criticism of you?
01:07:46.000 I mean, there's no real one.
01:07:49.000 Tim Poole is paid by the Russians and Israel.
01:07:52.000 Alex Jones cites RT.
01:07:54.000 I never do.
01:07:55.000 They literally put Russian sources on their coverage.
01:07:57.000 He's just literally, I'm going to post Tim's name as much as possible.
01:08:00.000 It gets me traffic.
01:08:01.000 Ask if you agree because what happens is a high profile show, huge audience.
01:08:01.000 I want to.
01:08:05.000 Do you have a responsibility now?
01:08:06.000 Because you have a lot of people listening to you.
01:08:07.000 I wonder because, like, we'll talk about this war and the horrors and, like, the tactics.
01:08:12.000 And, like, if we don't, if I don't speak out against what I think the Israelis are doing, colonizing Gaza, which I have a lot of issues with, am I actively supporting it because I'm not speaking out against it?
01:08:23.000 And I think that's at what's Alex is like, you're not doing enough to stop it, where you're just commenting that it's happening and you're not, like, denouncing it.
01:08:30.000 And therefore, you support it.
01:08:32.000 You're with that?
01:08:34.000 I think that if you have a political show, you should be direct about what your political opinions are.
01:08:39.000 But to what point?
01:08:40.000 Because sometimes being too overt can get you killed.
01:08:43.000 So, what?
01:08:44.000 So, it's better to stay alive and change the system than get slaughtered because you were too dumb to change the system.
01:08:48.000 By being quiet.
01:08:48.000 You know what else?
01:08:49.000 Yeah.
01:08:49.000 By changing systems in the background?
01:08:51.000 No.
01:08:52.000 But what does that mean as a lawyer?
01:08:53.000 We're not in the background.
01:08:54.000 We're not in the background.
01:08:55.000 We're building technologies that have free software built into the code, building sensors that can detect incoming weaponry that they don't know you have, like things like, you know, giving people the opportunity to grow their own food.
01:09:05.000 We are not a data center.
01:09:06.000 We're a megaphone.
01:09:08.000 Well, we're a little bit of both.
01:09:09.000 If we have a responsibility.
01:09:11.000 Yeah, maybe if you make one more cloud game, that could change.
01:09:14.000 Have you seen all the ones I made with like Fauci vaccinating people?
01:09:18.000 I just saw the one you were playing when I came to Minecraft.
01:09:20.000 I made one where you're Hassan and you electrocute your dog.
01:09:23.000 I made one where you're Netanyahu and you have to throw money at members of Congress.
01:09:26.000 You electrocute the dog.
01:09:27.000 You electrocute the dog.
01:09:28.000 Yeah.
01:09:29.000 I made one you play Netanyahu and you got to bribe members of Congress by throwing money at them.
01:09:33.000 I made one where you're Fauci and you got to vaccinate people.
01:09:36.000 And then I made one that was a hybrid of all of them where you play Hassan's dog firing vaccines at his ass at members of Congress.
01:09:42.000 One more game.
01:09:44.000 Anyway, Ian, the point is this.
01:09:46.000 If we are to do our jobs, To positively affect the world is speaking about all of it.
01:09:51.000 There is no backroom here at TimCast.
01:09:54.000 We do not work in the administration.
01:09:56.000 Well, that's what I'm confused about.
01:09:57.000 What your criticism is you're saying that Tim should be more overt about his criticisms of Israel?
01:10:02.000 No, I'm not saying should.
01:10:03.000 I'm wondering that if you don't become overt about what your deep criticisms are, that you become then complicit in allowing it to happen.
01:10:10.000 I think that if that's your goal as a show is to change the narrative or change conversations or get people to think differently, then yeah, you should be overt about that.
01:10:19.000 But you're saying that he's not doing that.
01:10:20.000 Well, I don't.
01:10:21.000 Sometimes I keep things in because I don't want to become an easy target.
01:10:24.000 He's projecting how he feels on a situation completely unrelated.
01:10:27.000 Yeah, like, I think maybe that's Alex's criticism.
01:10:29.000 I'm trying to figure out, Steelman, what he's concerned about.
01:10:32.000 Hassan Piker, Destiny, and Alex Jones did not all decide to talk about it at the same time because they just discovered a criticism.
01:10:40.000 No, it's because you're rightly in the middle of it.
01:10:43.000 Dude, look how influential Jubilee is.
01:10:45.000 It is, it's massive.
01:10:47.000 Also, it's just been on my mind a lot about the banality of evil.
01:10:49.000 It comes up from time to time about the man that sits by and feels like he's unreliable.
01:10:53.000 Are part of complicit of the evil, and I understand that philosophy.
01:10:56.000 It's not okay, you're misunderstanding.
01:10:59.000 The banality of evil is when you do nothing and you just go along with the evil, right?
01:11:03.000 Right, yet when you are ideologically, look, we are overt on this show and actively involved in the culture war, there's no banality of anything here.
01:11:13.000 Oh man, like I don't know about screaming about how horrible colonization and genocide is could actually help or change it.
01:11:20.000 I don't know if it really can.
01:11:21.000 Like the war machine is in motion, what do you mean?
01:11:23.000 Like being like, hey.
01:11:24.000 Israeli settlers, are you really murdering young children to take their houses?
01:11:29.000 I don't know, but are you?
01:11:30.000 Like, let's, I want to see it.
01:11:31.000 And if you are, I don't think, like, I don't talk about that every day.
01:11:34.000 Like, even though I think it might be happening.
01:11:36.000 And does that make me complicit in it?
01:11:38.000 No.
01:11:42.000 This is why these people are called conspiratars.
01:11:45.000 Does Israel do bad things?
01:11:47.000 Yes, they do a lot.
01:11:48.000 Are they trying to take the West Bank?
01:11:50.000 You bet.
01:11:50.000 And Trump got a lot of money to that end.
01:11:53.000 Are there bad things happening with China and the Uighur Muslims?
01:11:55.000 Yes.
01:11:56.000 Are there bad things happening in South Sudan with U.S. involvement?
01:11:59.000 Absolutely.
01:12:00.000 Are we going to.
01:12:02.000 Which conflict do you want to ignore, Ian, to maximize your good?
01:12:05.000 All.
01:12:05.000 So the point is.
01:12:06.000 I'm not going to be outside of my bubble, really.
01:12:07.000 The point is, we on this show have talked about China.
01:12:10.000 We've talked about Burma.
01:12:11.000 We've talked about Kashmir.
01:12:13.000 We've talked about Iran, Israel, Gaza, Sudan, all of it.
01:12:18.000 And you see, the issue is people who live in isolated worlds get mad at you if they aren't the center of your world.
01:12:25.000 So if we only talk about Israel twice a month, that's not enough.
01:12:29.000 And if we talk about the Uyghur Muslims one time, it's why aren't you talking about Israel?
01:12:33.000 At the same time, if we don't talk about the Uyghur Muslims, we get messages of people.
01:12:36.000 If we talk about Israel too much, they say, who cares about Israel?
01:12:38.000 Why aren't you talking about what China's doing?
01:12:40.000 Taiwan's next. 0.78
01:12:41.000 The Uighur Muslims are being raped and forced to have abortions.
01:12:44.000 There is no winning with these people.
01:12:47.000 And right now, there is money to be made on these social platforms to join whatever is getting the most clicks.
01:12:52.000 And the reality is, Israel is a hot button issue for most of the world because there are a lot of countries that are Muslim.
01:13:00.000 You are going to get a bigger viewership talking to the world about a conflict they care about than what Americans are interested in.
01:13:08.000 So let me just wrap it up by saying to the point you're trying to make.
01:13:12.000 Alex Jones, Hassan Piker, and Destiny did not all decide just on Monday they had criticisms of me.
01:13:18.000 They always did.
01:13:20.000 But why did they all make videos that one day?
01:13:22.000 Could it be that on Sunday I was on Jubilee and my name was trending on social media?
01:13:26.000 Yes.
01:13:27.000 Yeah, I think so.
01:13:28.000 So you put my name, you're going to get clicks.
01:13:31.000 And next week it'll go away.
01:13:33.000 And they'll be talking about something else.
01:13:36.000 I mean, do you think it's manufactured and artificial or do you think it's just because it's relevant in the news?
01:13:41.000 It's talking about you as a moderate.
01:13:44.000 I think it's both.
01:13:45.000 So, for some people, it's this is the trending story.
01:13:48.000 I'm going to talk about it.
01:13:49.000 And so, I don't say that derisively.
01:13:51.000 I think if I am the news, then I am the news, right?
01:13:53.000 And that's just what we did right before this, right?
01:13:56.000 We just talked about breaking news and what's most relevant.
01:13:58.000 That's what you do on a news show.
01:13:58.000 Exactly.
01:13:59.000 Completely agree.
01:14:00.000 That's what I'm saying.
01:14:00.000 It's almost like you're labeling it as like adversarial, like these people are coming for me just because it makes the money.
01:14:06.000 I'm not saying that all of these people are coming for me.
01:14:09.000 I'm saying if I'm the news, I'm the news.
01:14:11.000 Gotcha.
01:14:11.000 That's the point.
01:14:12.000 People are going to talk about what's trending.
01:14:14.000 So, people are like, how come all of a sudden people are just ragging on you on Twitter, Tim?
01:14:17.000 And I'm like, Because I'm trending.
01:14:19.000 Like, yeah.
01:14:20.000 I mean, Alex's criticism is very, it's just interesting that you're like a shield taking calls and taking orders from BB.
01:14:27.000 I'm just like, where is he getting that from?
01:14:28.000 He's making it up.
01:14:29.000 Because I don't watch InfoWars or whatever it is now.
01:14:33.000 See, Alex is doing the Grift game.
01:14:35.000 That's just it.
01:14:36.000 And he's saying he wants to have a bare knuckle boxing match.
01:14:38.000 This is not real, right?
01:14:40.000 Destiny critiquing my performance on Jubilee, understood.
01:14:43.000 Hassan, Hassan's, Destiny's was good.
01:14:47.000 Hassan's was just, haha, look at Tim walking off or whatever, which is like, The intended condition of a Jubilee show, right?
01:14:55.000 Destiny was actually critiquing the conversation, which I can respect that.
01:14:58.000 You don't got to agree with me.
01:14:59.000 Alex is just trying to fight me because he knows there's not going to be a fight and he knows it's sensational.
01:15:04.000 He made a video where there's lightning striking behind him and he's like, I'm going to take you down.
01:15:07.000 Oh, baby, make me out.
01:15:09.000 What a fight. 0.93
01:15:10.000 And then people like the entertainment.
01:15:11.000 They like watching Alex rip his shirt off.
01:15:13.000 That's just not real politics.
01:15:15.000 So, yeah, I mean, I've never seen Alex as like a good contributor to the conversation, but I do think that.
01:15:21.000 I mean, I saw it trending on Twitter when he's talking about you.
01:15:24.000 That was like the last thing I saw.
01:15:26.000 And that's the thing, right?
01:15:27.000 Alex's pylon is very interesting because I'm not entirely convinced it's just the trending thing because I don't believe that Tucker, Candace, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Alex all just changed their opinions overnight.
01:15:41.000 I don't see that as realistic.
01:15:42.000 Weren't they consistent?
01:15:44.000 No.
01:15:45.000 You don't think it's consistent for someone like Tucker to be like, I'm very isolationist in my foreign policy.
01:15:50.000 And now that Donald Trump has completely abandoned that, I'm going to be more critical?
01:15:54.000 It wasn't, though.
01:15:54.000 I mean, Trump, So, when Tucker was on Fox News, he apologized for his earlier positions for being pro war and, you know, back in the day.
01:16:03.000 Yeah, he was a big Bush supporter, Iraq.
01:16:05.000 Do you know who Miriam Maddison is?
01:16:09.000 Yeah, wait.
01:16:09.000 No.
01:16:11.000 Sheldon Maddison was a Jewish guy and he's a big supporter.
01:16:13.000 They're big investors, right?
01:16:15.000 I believe he died.
01:16:16.000 Miriam Maddison with the money.
01:16:18.000 It is estimated about $100 to $150 million allocated toward Trump victory in 2024 for support of Israel, rumored to be the annexation of the West Bank.
01:16:28.000 Right.
01:16:28.000 Tucker Carlson knew this and talked about it quite a bit.
01:16:31.000 Now he's going, I can't believe this is happening.
01:16:34.000 Had I known, I mean, I wouldn't have supported him.
01:16:36.000 I apologize.
01:16:36.000 Like, oh, come on, bro.
01:16:38.000 And then his brother literally says, right after this, maybe Miriam Madison's money was for something.
01:16:42.000 And Tucker goes, because he knows exactly what he was doing.
01:16:46.000 That is not sincere. 1.00
01:16:48.000 And then Candace is just whatever the women of TikTok want.
01:16:50.000 You know what I mean?
01:16:51.000 Yeah, I mean, Tucker, it definitely is like, it seems like he's trying to capitulate to a subsection of the MAGA movement that are pissed off right now.
01:16:58.000 Oh, it's not MAGA.
01:16:59.000 Yeah, I think so.
01:17:00.000 Nick Fuentes' crowd was never MAGA.
01:17:02.000 It's not, he's not just capitulating to Groypers.
01:17:05.000 There's a lot of people that were in the MAGA camp that were like, I'm going to support this because it's anti war.
01:17:08.000 I'm not even a conservative, but the libertarian.
01:17:11.000 The libertarian.
01:17:12.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:17:13.000 I mean, that was one of my biggest issues.
01:17:15.000 Is that Trump's first term?
01:17:16.000 We didn't get any war.
01:17:17.000 No new wars.
01:17:18.000 In fact, we got the Abraham Accords.
01:17:19.000 Now we get war with Iran prolonged with no end in sight, and he keeps claiming he's winning when he's not, and our prices are in the gutter.
01:17:25.000 It's not good.
01:17:26.000 And draining the SPR.
01:17:27.000 How long until Cuba?
01:17:28.000 How long until Cuba?
01:17:28.000 And was it?
01:17:29.000 Seven months.
01:17:30.000 Oh, not even.
01:17:31.000 I mean, they're surrounding Cuba because Cuba's going to collapse.
01:17:33.000 That's the point.
01:17:34.000 And then, like Venezuela, right?
01:17:36.000 The issue right now, not to relitigate what we later talked about, but draining the SPR is the greatest sign of oops.
01:17:43.000 That's where it's like, uh oh.
01:17:45.000 The SPR is not for what they're doing.
01:17:47.000 And so this is not good.
01:17:49.000 Sooner or later, it's going to be a.
01:17:51.000 Yeah, just I'll leave it at that.
01:17:52.000 Point, point, point.
01:17:53.000 It was bad when Biden did it, and it's bad.
01:17:55.000 Biden did it, and it was really bad.
01:17:57.000 And Biden did it to stabilize prices.
01:17:59.000 Now we have Trump doing it.
01:18:00.000 It is bad.
01:18:01.000 It is a sign of desperation.
01:18:03.000 And draining the SPR below 300, this is a crazy story.
01:18:05.000 Yeah, it's not a good thing at all.
01:18:08.000 And I think to your point, like as much as you try to give analysis, there are going to be people that are going to say, well, if you're not.
01:18:18.000 Telling me what I want to hear or telling me what I, you know, if you're not satisfying my emotional reaction to this, then you must support it.
01:18:25.000 It's all the time.
01:18:26.000 My point ultimately is I feel like most people are looking at the 70th floor of the Empire State Building and going, that's the foundation.
01:18:34.000 And I'm like, bro, there is so much more underneath it that's going on.
01:18:38.000 This is why I can't stand the Israel derangement people.
01:18:40.000 It's like no other region in the world exists.
01:18:43.000 No other conflict, no other financing, no other funding.
01:18:46.000 We've given more to Ukraine in two years than we've given to Israel in 50.
01:18:50.000 To be fair, they're consistent, right?
01:18:53.000 They're like, nope, everything's Israel.
01:18:55.000 And when you're that hyper focused on one issue and blame essentially everything, I mean, look, the people that are like, oh, I'm anti Israel, a lot of times they blame all the woke stuff that's going on on Israel or on Jews and stuff, ignoring the fact that the French Revolution was motivated by the exact same things that are motivating the people today in the woke.
01:19:20.000 The.
01:19:21.000 Revolution in the Soviet Union was motivated by the same thing that was going on in the French Revolution.
01:19:26.000 This is not just about Jews or Israel.
01:19:30.000 The way that they characterize it, it's always the Jews.
01:19:33.000 I'm going to pull in this chat, even though it's not a chat point yet, because Slick makes a point.
01:19:37.000 It matters because the country in question has unwavering support amongst the majority of those in DC, and it's a result of bad theology gripping a large voting bloc.
01:19:45.000 So, agreed.
01:19:46.000 However, Ukraine has more support, or at least did for the past several years.
01:19:51.000 And Ukraine had its president come to our Congress where they waved Ukrainian flags.
01:19:55.000 And they gave Ukraine more money in two years than we gave Israel in 50.
01:20:00.000 I don't want to give Israel money.
01:20:02.000 Their problems are their problems.
01:20:04.000 And I don't like the U.S. being dragged into wars because Israel's got issues with Iran and they're fighting a war.
01:20:09.000 Let's not be involved.
01:20:10.000 However, if I'm going to triage this, I have to point out if we keep up funding for Ukraine the way we do for Israel, imagine how much money we'll have dumped into Ukraine if this war persists for a decade.
01:20:23.000 God.
01:20:24.000 It is insane.
01:20:25.000 We are at 25X the expenditure on Ukraine with members of Congress waving their flag, with Americans putting Ukrainian flags in their bios.
01:20:34.000 Now, I will say this.
01:20:36.000 With the expansion of the Ukrainian war targeting Iran, Trump getting us involved in this war, I wouldn't vote for it.
01:20:41.000 I don't want it, but we can't lose.
01:20:44.000 That's just it.
01:20:46.000 For all the problems we have, it's been this way for most of my life.
01:20:49.000 When we got involved in Iraq and Afghanistan when I was a teenager, my position is the same.
01:20:54.000 Bad leadership shouldn't be involved.
01:20:56.000 They lied to us, but we have to get out cleanly and minimize the damage to the country.
01:21:02.000 So the U.S. needs to succeed.
01:21:04.000 We are either escalation or we're going to surrender.
01:21:08.000 And the purpose of surrender is if we back off, it's to minimize damage.
01:21:12.000 So if we're going to exit, it should be to minimize damage.
01:21:14.000 And I would consider that at this point success.
01:21:16.000 But the Iranians are a regime right now that has a million man army that's willing to sacrifice everything for the current regime that Donald Trump wants to collapse.
01:21:25.000 In what way do we surrender in a fashion where Iran doesn't get everything that they want?
01:21:29.000 Well, agreed.
01:21:30.000 My point is we have to look at what's on the table and minimize the damage as we get out.
01:21:34.000 Like the point is, it is going to be.
01:21:36.000 It's possible.
01:21:37.000 The only way that we.
01:21:38.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.
01:21:39.000 The phrase minimize the damage.
01:21:41.000 Like, even if there's a lot of damage, the phrase minimize the damage means do whatever is going to have the least amount.
01:21:48.000 Not saying that there's not going to be damage, not saying that this is a good idea, not saying anything.
01:21:52.000 Like, just the phrase that Tim's using, minimize the damage.
01:21:55.000 There is absolutely a possible way to do it.
01:21:58.000 It's just that it's not going to be the most minimal damage is going to be the Iranians get what they want.
01:22:02.000 That's really going to be.
01:22:03.000 I think that's already the case.
01:22:05.000 Now, what I will say is, yes, but we did kill 50 of their top leadership, and the regime still hasn't collapsed.
01:22:11.000 Agreed.
01:22:12.000 The idea of cutting off the head and the rest of it falls is just inaccurate with this.
01:22:15.000 And it was funny because, who was it?
01:22:18.000 Was it Eric Prince who warned about this a long time ago?
01:22:22.000 He's like, it's a gambit.
01:22:25.000 You're flipping a coin if you're going for Iran because you don't know.
01:22:27.000 And these people are ideologically fervent.
01:22:32.000 There is no regime change in Iran.
01:22:35.000 It's just not going to happen.
01:22:36.000 You need decades to make something like that happen.
01:22:38.000 It's just everyone loses in this scenario.
01:22:40.000 It's been a complete strategic failure.
01:22:42.000 Even the neocons are pissed off now.
01:22:43.000 Like the MLU that was.
01:22:44.000 Proposed is literally just the JCPOA light.
01:22:47.000 Like it's everything that Barack Obama wrote in the Iran deal.
01:22:50.000 They're pissed off.
01:22:51.000 I talked to Will Chamberlain on Piers Morgan.
01:22:53.000 He's pissed off.
01:22:54.000 He wants more escalation.
01:22:55.000 The people who are anti war is like, we need to stop this at all costs.
01:22:58.000 We shouldn't have even gone into this in the first place.
01:23:00.000 It's just they've shot themselves in the foot in both angles.
01:23:02.000 And again, I don't think it was a mistake.
01:23:05.000 I think that like Hegseth, these guys, they all knew that war meant the Strait of Hormuz got shut down.
01:23:11.000 And I think they like it.
01:23:13.000 You're saying it was their intention, is what you're saying.
01:23:16.000 It is a mistake.
01:23:17.000 They knew it would close the Strait.
01:23:20.000 And they're happy the strait closed.
01:23:21.000 I do not believe the Iranians are the ones closing the strait.
01:23:25.000 The U.S. is the blockade.
01:23:26.000 It's a crazy admission that they're happy for the economic plight of Americans.
01:23:30.000 I completely agree.
01:23:31.000 And they're happy for their own political plight.
01:23:33.000 It's not an admission, it's an accusation.
01:23:36.000 Okay.
01:23:37.000 This is what annoys me about politics.
01:23:38.000 It's like I say on the Jubilee show, first of all, white supremacists are not a component of the Republican platform, but white supremacists did vote for Trump hoping that ICE would kill migrants.
01:23:49.000 And then what do we get from liberals?
01:23:50.000 They post Tim Pool admits.
01:23:52.000 Admits I'm accusing them.
01:23:54.000 I am criticizing them.
01:23:56.000 I am criticizing the Trump administration of lying to the American people to engage in a war to cut off 20% of global oil, which is damaging to the U.S. economy because they hate bricks and it's part of a larger economy.
01:24:07.000 I have a feeling that most of the top rafts of the U.S. military did not want this and was like, please don't, please don't.
01:24:12.000 Oh my God.
01:24:12.000 Oh my God.
01:24:13.000 The German, dude, when Hitler invaded France, all of his military men were like, do not go into Europe.
01:24:13.000 No way.
01:24:19.000 Do not fight Europe.
01:24:20.000 You will lose.
01:24:21.000 We are winning.
01:24:22.000 We are annexing the East.
01:24:23.000 Do not.
01:24:24.000 And Hitler was like, I have a bone to pick with France because I fought them in World War I.
01:24:28.000 He was obsessed.
01:24:30.000 The situation in Germany, what's 80 years ago, is not the same as the situation.
01:24:36.000 It was a situation where the military commander had a different motive than all the military commanders.
01:24:40.000 Yeah, but okay, so hold on a second.
01:24:41.000 But you already said, I have a feeling.
01:24:43.000 What evidence do you have to say?
01:24:44.000 Well, it was an unwinnable conflict.
01:24:45.000 No, Hold on, listen.
01:24:49.000 Phil, Hitler came to him in a dream.
01:24:51.000 I'm accusing them, Phil.
01:24:53.000 Well, you said, you said, I have a feeling.
01:24:56.000 I'm asking you to help me.
01:24:57.000 Let me finish, dude.
01:24:59.000 You said you have a feeling.
01:25:01.000 What evidence do you have?
01:25:03.000 Because none of them have spoken up positively about it.
01:25:05.000 Okay.
01:25:07.000 They're all just doing their job with their heads down, and the troops are suffering.
01:25:10.000 No military commander is glad that their dudes are losing morale on an aircraft carrier.
01:25:14.000 Yes, that is all very, very bad.
01:25:16.000 The top levels, though, I'm pretty sure they're on board.
01:25:18.000 Do you think they want this?
01:25:19.000 Yes.
01:25:20.000 I don't think Trump wants this anymore.
01:25:22.000 Not anymore, probably, because it hasn't gone well that he hoped.
01:25:25.000 Again, the question is is the BRICS play the bigger play?
01:25:28.000 With Ukraine bombing Iranian ships, is the BRICS play the bigger play?
01:25:32.000 And that's, and again, Ukraine bombing Iranian vessels, and people are like, no, this is about Trump and Iran.
01:25:38.000 This is about everything.
01:25:39.000 Oh, shit, that sounds like the beginning of a world war.
01:25:41.000 If the Ukrainians are attacking the Iranians.
01:25:42.000 You know that, right?
01:25:44.000 Ukraine, Ukraine, which is separated by a land, by a massive body of land from the Caspian, bombed Iranian ships in the Caspian.
01:25:51.000 Calling in the allies now, I see.
01:25:53.000 Ukraine was bombing because Iran was sending weapons to the Russians.
01:25:57.000 So Ukraine bombed Iranian ships.
01:26:00.000 And Ukraine is basically operating under U.S. command.
01:26:03.000 And they've got all this high tech drone weaponry.
01:26:05.000 The question ultimately is at what point does China enter the fold?
01:26:08.000 Cut off from the.
01:26:09.000 If we take Cuba, they'll take Taiwan.
01:26:11.000 They'll try.
01:26:12.000 Well, actually, the U.S. just pulled our last carrier from the Pacific into the Indian Ocean because of the Strait of Hormuz.
01:26:19.000 And now China could move on Taiwan, and we're way too far away.
01:26:22.000 So again, this is a massive gambit, which the rate of success looks like it's going to be single digits of that.
01:26:29.000 So ultimately, back to the culture war point is this is why.
01:26:29.000 I know.
01:26:34.000 So, when I'm talking with Jubilee, right, they said, How do we label this?
01:26:38.000 Tim Poole?
01:26:39.000 And I said, Honestly, I had no idea.
01:26:41.000 If you call me a conservative, conservatives will get mad.
01:26:43.000 If you call me liberals, liberals will get mad.
01:26:45.000 Moderate, liberals will get mad.
01:26:46.000 Conservatives will say, Okay.
01:26:47.000 And so they said, We'll A B test it.
01:26:49.000 We'll put moderate, we'll put Tim Poole.
01:26:50.000 And then Tim Poole ended up winning.
01:26:52.000 And liberals still got mad.
01:26:54.000 They said, There's no way he's a moderate.
01:26:56.000 And then what happens is, I can be like, The war in Iran is bad.
01:27:00.000 And then Alex Jones comes out and goes, Tim Poole wants the war and he endorses it.
01:27:03.000 And then liberals go, Tim Poole admits it.
01:27:06.000 And I'm like, I've been criticizing it from day one.
01:27:08.000 Everybody is fake and they're all lying and it's all fake and gay.
01:27:11.000 Psychological warfare.
01:27:11.000 That's what I'm saying.
01:27:13.000 It's just people getting clicks.
01:27:14.000 They don't care.
01:27:15.000 They don't care about what's true or not.
01:27:16.000 Like, I can literally be sitting down.
01:27:18.000 It was really funny.
01:27:18.000 Destiny had a really great take.
01:27:19.000 I actually appreciated this one.
01:27:20.000 He's like, when I, when I don't think it was you, I don't know if it was you, it was the other guy that, yeah, it was the other guy when I said white supremacists voted for Trump hoping that ICE would shoot migrants.
01:27:31.000 Destiny busted out laughing, being like, they have no response to this.
01:27:34.000 They have no idea what to do when someone like Tim Pool says, yeah, white supremacists want to kill migrants because they don't understand.
01:27:40.000 They live in this political binary.
01:27:42.000 And I'm like, I completely agree.
01:27:44.000 What did you get away from the Jubilee event?
01:27:44.000 Yeah.
01:27:47.000 It was interesting.
01:27:48.000 I think that, like, when you say you're a moderate, is that, like, in the literal sense or in, like, Trump's going to win by, like, 49 state landslide sense?
01:27:56.000 Like, which one?
01:27:57.000 So, what do you mean by Trump?
01:27:59.000 Like, I'm just trying to understand, like, the language of Tim Cass.
01:28:02.000 Can you give me the context on the 49 state landslide?
01:28:04.000 Yeah, didn't you say, like, Donald Trump's going to win by a 49 state landslide?
01:28:07.000 Which I could say is, like, an exaggeration.
01:28:07.000 No.
01:28:09.000 I never said that.
01:28:10.000 No.
01:28:10.000 Never?
01:28:11.000 See, this is the funny thing about the world you live in.
01:28:11.000 Interesting.
01:28:13.000 I'd love to see the graph that I saw.
01:28:14.000 You want to know what I said?
01:28:16.000 If Trump brought Andrew Yang, As economic advisor and Tulsi Gabbard as national security advisor, and then legalized pot and pardoned everybody for marijuana, he's gonna win a 49 state landslide.
01:28:16.000 Okay.
01:28:27.000 And then the people you watch cut out the insane hypothetical of how to actually win the American people over, like legalizing pot.
01:28:34.000 Gotcha, gotcha.
01:28:34.000 And then run a clip you see, and you go, Tim Finks is gonna win.
01:28:37.000 And then I said something like, Moody's Analytics put out a chart claiming Trump would win a 49 state landslide.
01:28:43.000 Wow, that's crazy.
01:28:44.000 And then they run those clips, and you go, I can't believe Tim would say that.
01:28:47.000 And then I say things like that, right?
01:28:49.000 And then you actually believe that Trump would win a 49 state landslide?
01:28:52.000 Of course not.
01:28:53.000 Right.
01:28:53.000 But when I'm reading.
01:28:54.000 But when you bring up something, you're like, wow, that's crazy.
01:28:56.000 So, your audience at 12 million people, you don't think people are going to walk away thinking that.
01:28:59.000 No, I think liberals are liars for clicks.
01:29:02.000 And then people like you don't look into it.
01:29:02.000 Gotcha.
01:29:04.000 So, when you.
01:29:04.000 I'm asking questions, Tim.
01:29:06.000 That's fine.
01:29:06.000 I don't.
01:29:08.000 But I'm making the same point.
01:29:09.000 Okay.
01:29:10.000 Do you know what Moody's Analytics is?
01:29:12.000 Famous forecaster for presidential elections.
01:29:12.000 I don't know.
01:29:15.000 They have an extremely high accuracy rate.
01:29:18.000 In 2019, Moody's Analytics forecasted that, should certain conditions be met, Trump was looking at Reagan 49 state landslide territory.
01:29:26.000 When Moody's Analytics dropped that, every major news publication published it.
01:29:26.000 Gotcha.
01:29:30.000 And I picked the story up and said, here is what they are saying.
01:29:33.000 And then what happens is liberals take it and they run with it.
01:29:37.000 This is, I got the exact quote.
01:29:39.000 You don't have the exact quote because there's like 78,000 of them.
01:29:42.000 Well, this is the first one.
01:29:43.000 You said Kamala Harris has been chosen, according to ChatGPT, has been chosen to be vice presidential running mate for Joe Biden in the 2020 election cycle.
01:29:49.000 And I'm sure most of you have already heard by now because the internet can't stop laughing.
01:29:53.000 But the choice may be a gift to Donald Trump of a massive 49 state landslide.
01:29:56.000 Now you're probably saying, Tim.
01:29:58.000 By what metric could you even possibly predict a Trump getting a 49 state landslide?
01:30:02.000 And I'm, it's actually a good point.
01:30:03.000 There's no real hard data.
01:30:04.000 What I'm actually talking about is the weird ways in which history seems to be repeating itself.
01:30:09.000 From what I could take, that wasn't a claim that there will be a 49.
01:30:11.000 And there's also another important point that 49 state landslide is a meme.
01:30:14.000 It doesn't actually mean 49 state landslide.
01:30:16.000 It was a meme at the time among the right representing we're going to win.
01:30:20.000 And so they kept posting like the retard Wojak and he would be putting a red state into a, like it's a map of America that's all red and he's drooling and putting a red state in.
01:30:29.000 And then they're like, 49th.
01:30:30.000 State landslide, 49 state, yeah, landslide.
01:30:32.000 This is then later in 23, you said Poole himself referred to the phrase differently, saying that 49 state landslide was a meme meaning Trump wins handily rather than a literal projection of exactly 49 states.
01:30:44.000 Because it's a reference to Reagan.
01:30:45.000 Hyperbole.
01:30:46.000 Okay.
01:30:47.000 Ronald Reagan, we've got a fun one.
01:30:48.000 For you being a moderate, though, like what would you say are some like good attributes of the left?
01:30:53.000 I don't think I've seen that from you.
01:30:55.000 And maybe I do live in a biased echo chamber, but I'd love to hear from you.
01:30:58.000 It's like when you said that I admitted the war was bad, but we said it the entire time, like the whole, whole, like, Political through line for me has always been anti intervention.
01:31:07.000 So let's go for this, right?
01:31:08.000 Let me ask you a question. 0.89
01:31:09.000 Do you think there should be a restriction on abortion?
01:31:13.000 And restrictions, like literally any.
01:31:15.000 Yeah, I think that when most people talk about like late term abortion, they're referring to it as being like elective.
01:31:21.000 Like a woman's going to go through eight months of pregnancy and then just all of a sudden decide, yeah, you know what, I don't want this kid, which typically is not the case.
01:31:28.000 It's not when there is medical like necessity.
01:31:31.000 For sure.
01:31:32.000 But like just restriction in general, like any restrictions at any point.
01:31:35.000 Well, that's why I'm saying I think that it's a straw man to say he's asking you, though.
01:31:39.000 I'm not talking about late term, I didn't bring that up.
01:31:42.000 Well, that I'm just I'm prefacing, I'm prefacing what my answer is.
01:31:45.000 I'm prefacing what my answer is.
01:31:46.000 But you can just say sometimes there might be restrictions, yeah?
01:31:49.000 I think that, but it's just like the restrictions, I think, create this weird paradox where women that do require it for medical necessity oftentimes have to jump through hoops.
01:31:58.000 It's like the same thing when we've seen in Texas, we've seen in Alabama where people have died because they need abortion and the doctors are scared to facilitate it because they could lose their medical license.
01:32:06.000 Yeah, but that's why I would say no.
01:32:09.000 No restrictions.
01:32:09.000 Yeah.
01:32:10.000 So do you think that if a woman wanted to get an elective late term abortion, she should be allowed?
01:32:15.000 I think that it's just like a straw man.
01:32:18.000 Hold on, hold on.
01:32:19.000 This is.
01:32:20.000 It does happen.
01:32:21.000 It's a couple hundred per year.
01:32:24.000 Is that okay? 1.00
01:32:25.000 I think that we need to empower doctors to be able to protect women's health and safety.
01:32:30.000 And so I think that there could be some restrictions if it's proven that it's an elective abortion.
01:32:35.000 But I just don't know how you prove that.
01:32:37.000 Is the argument you're making that because there's only a few hundred late term elective abortions per year, we don't want to put the restrictions on it because it could inhibit women who actually need medical intervention?
01:32:47.000 Yeah, I just think the examples of healthcare professionals that end up becoming afraid to facilitate, like, Protecting the health and well being of a mother because they're afraid of losing their license, that's a greater net negative than like the.
01:33:00.000 So, if it were possible to say we will make sure there's no restrictions on medical intervention.
01:33:06.000 Yeah, if we could add that in the legal language, then we completely agree.
01:33:11.000 I think that once the baby can live, there's no reason to kill it, right?
01:33:15.000 If the woman's already pregnant and the baby is viable, then just deliver the baby and put it up for adoption, put it in a NICU, whatever it has to be.
01:33:23.000 The issue, so I consider myself what we call traditional pro choice. 0.99
01:33:27.000 And the reason is the modern left is Michelle Wolf going abortions, abortions, and acting like it's something to celebrate when it's not.
01:33:36.000 And then the issue is the ultimate question that the left never answers is why should we make unrestricted abortion?
01:33:44.000 So I think that my position is if a woman goes to the doctor and there's something related to her medical health or physical health that is causing problems, to where the doctor needs to intervene, which will result in the loss of the baby.
01:33:58.000 Ain't nobody's business.
01:34:00.000 The idea that a woman should be able to use abortion as contraception is wrong.
01:34:04.000 But I believe the answer is cultural.
01:34:07.000 Ron Paul said it best abortion should not be illegal, it should be unthinkable.
01:34:10.000 And so the issue is not the exercise of law, the issue is exercise of culture.
01:34:14.000 And I actually think written law doesn't really matter.
01:34:16.000 It matters what a society is willing to tolerate.
01:34:18.000 Yeah.
01:34:19.000 And I think that the best way to facilitate people excited to start families and give birth is creating the economic conditions that allow people to do that.
01:34:26.000 So making sure that people have the wages to support a family, making sure that we have access to Necessary goods, that is how you're going to build the nope business of your families.
01:34:36.000 I'm going to make a prediction.
01:34:37.000 I think you're further right than I am.
01:34:39.000 In what way?
01:34:40.000 In the actual way, not the tribalistic way.
01:34:43.000 So when we define left and right, we're referring to political tribes.
01:34:48.000 So when you say left, you're clearly referring to even the Lincoln Project, despite their old curmudgeon neocons.
01:34:55.000 I would not say the Lincoln Project's left.
01:34:56.000 The Lincoln Project is squarely in the left, even though we don't consider them to be far left, leftist.
01:35:03.000 I'm talking about tribes.
01:35:05.000 They are anti Trump and they support the Democratic Party.
01:35:07.000 They're tribal left.
01:35:08.000 That is the tribal left.
01:35:09.000 It is.
01:35:10.000 No, I'd say people like Joe Manchin and John Fetterman are right.
01:35:13.000 And you would say that they're pro-progressive coalition.
01:35:14.000 They are.
01:35:15.000 Those are tribal right.
01:35:15.000 Correct.
01:35:16.000 We're not talking about economics or culture.
01:35:18.000 We're talking about tribes.
01:35:20.000 John Fetterman aligns with the right on most issues, although he votes with Democrats, so he's in a weird position.
01:35:26.000 Manchin as well.
01:35:27.000 When they talk, they are fairly middle, but they're leaning tribal right.
01:35:32.000 So, for instance, I'm pro-progressive tax.
01:35:35.000 I'd imagine you want to tax the rich.
01:35:37.000 Yeah.
01:35:38.000 Do you think that we should have tariffs on goods?
01:35:40.000 And I'm not talking about Trump's tariffs, I'm talking about tariffs in general.
01:35:42.000 Well, I think that tariffs can be advantageous in certain sectors, but I think the universal tariffs like Trump are incorrect.
01:35:47.000 We're not talking about that.
01:35:48.000 Do you think that the U.S. should have tariffs on goods in any capacity?
01:35:51.000 Yeah, I think they can be helpful in some situations.
01:35:53.000 So, yes.
01:35:53.000 Yeah.
01:35:54.000 Do you think that we should put tariffs on like auto manufacturing to force these manufacturers back to the United States?
01:36:00.000 I don't think that.
01:36:01.000 I think we've crossed a line there, and a lot of that was the deregulation of Ronald Reagan that has moved a lot of these industries out of the U.S.
01:36:07.000 So, I think it would be really difficult to bring them back.
01:36:09.000 But I think when you go to places like Detroit and you see just barren wastelands that used to be thriving communities and industries, It's really difficult to contend with, okay, how are we going to move this back into a thriving place?
01:36:19.000 So, just very simply, there'd be a huge debate on the merits, the metrics, and all that, but you would say no to auto tariffs.
01:36:27.000 I just think it depends on the implementation for sure.
01:36:29.000 I'm not like anti protectionist trade policy, but I am anti like.
01:36:34.000 So, middle of the road on the tariff issue.
01:36:36.000 I'm to the left of you on that issue.
01:36:36.000 Yeah.
01:36:37.000 Yeah.
01:36:38.000 I think that we should absolutely implement trade protectionism for the American worker.
01:36:42.000 Well, I'm not like big into like we need global free trade for these types of industries.
01:36:46.000 No, no, that's why I said you're moderate.
01:36:47.000 But you're to the right of me.
01:36:48.000 Okay.
01:36:49.000 You're in the middle.
01:36:50.000 Yeah.
01:36:50.000 That's fair, right?
01:36:51.000 Okay, I'm to the left of you on that issue.
01:36:52.000 What about migration?
01:36:54.000 Do you think that we should allow illegal immigrants, unauthorized immigrants, whatever you want to call them, when they enter the country to work in the United States?
01:37:01.000 Well, it depends on what you're.
01:37:02.000 Well, yeah.
01:37:03.000 If you just want yes or no answers, then yes.
01:37:06.000 That's the right wing position.
01:37:06.000 Yeah, I think that.
01:37:08.000 That is the right economic position.
01:37:10.000 That is the right economic position.
01:37:10.000 It's not.
01:37:12.000 It's not.
01:37:13.000 Yes, it is.
01:37:13.000 It's in.
01:37:13.000 No.
01:37:14.000 No. 0.83
01:37:14.000 Libertarians who want like a cheaper labor force and to increase the labor pool to make sure that corporations are able to pay people less, that is a right position. 0.83
01:37:22.000 My position is by legalizing and giving these people amnesty or making sure that they're citizens and that they're actually able to collectively bargain and unionize within their workplace to advocate for stronger positions, that's not a right wing position.
01:37:33.000 It actually is.
01:37:33.000 No, it's not.
01:37:34.000 Right economics for free trade and free movement is a right economic position.
01:37:38.000 No, no.
01:37:39.000 It factually and academically is.
01:37:41.000 It's not an opinion statement.
01:37:43.000 So Donald Trump's left on immigration.
01:37:45.000 Yes.
01:37:46.000 So I strongly recommend that you read about these things, right?
01:37:46.000 Okay.
01:37:51.000 So what does left and right mean?
01:37:51.000 Yeah.
01:37:52.000 There's a few different qualifiers there's a cultural scale, there's an economic scale, and there's a tribal scale.
01:37:56.000 So, typically, when we're speaking publicly, they're all used interchangeably and often don't make sense.
01:38:01.000 However, in most arguments, people are referring to the tribal nature.
01:38:04.000 That's why you'll have Jimmy Dore called right wing, despite the fact he's a socialist.
01:38:09.000 And you'll have John Fetterman called left by some and right by others, because they're referring to the particular tribal stances they make.
01:38:16.000 Economics on the left and right scale, right refers to, on the far right of the economic scale, you have laissez faire capitalism.
01:38:22.000 On the far left, you have communism.
01:38:25.000 So, you're isolating for political ideology or culture.
01:38:29.000 As you move closer to freedom of movement, you are on the right.
01:38:33.000 As you move closer to trade protectionism, you are on the left.
01:38:36.000 The public good and control of these systems.
01:38:38.000 So, economically, I am to the left of where you are on that issue, as are many Republicans.
01:38:44.000 This was Bernie Sanders' position in 2016.
01:38:46.000 We cannot allow these people to come into work.
01:38:48.000 In fact, the World Socialist website called him a nationalist capitalist for that position.
01:38:55.000 They said, when Bernie, the socialists called Bernie, A capitalist, when he took the position of we should not let these people come in, they said he was trying to protect the American worker.
01:39:07.000 But that's actually the left position.
01:39:10.000 You have the cultural scale, and this is nebulous because culture changes.
01:39:13.000 But the cultural scale inverts depending on what period you're in.
01:39:16.000 This is why they talk about the Southern strategy.
01:39:18.000 This is why Democrats used to be the Klan, but now the Democrats have more non whites in Congress than Republicans do, even though Republicans had the first black members of Congress.
01:39:26.000 Left and right on the cultural scale is amorphous and generational.
01:39:29.000 So again, when we are isolating policies based on their appropriate scale, I think it's fair to say that you land to the right of me on some issues.
01:39:38.000 But I don't know why it's hard to believe.
01:39:39.000 I'm not saying everything.
01:39:40.000 No, but I just think it's funny to try to attribute like believing in people's ability for free movement or civil liberties when it comes to them being able to enter the country is a right wing position.
01:39:51.000 That absolutely is a right economic position.
01:39:53.000 The right position is the nationalist idea that this country does not have ethnic hegemony unless it has a particular culture that's maintained.
01:40:00.000 That is the hierarchy.
01:40:02.000 That is the hierarchy that is established by the nationalist worldview.
01:40:06.000 So to say that Donald Trump is left wing on immigration is absolutely incorrect.
01:40:10.000 And I think every Republican would laugh at you too to say Donald Trump is left on.
01:40:14.000 More left than most.
01:40:16.000 So, have you ever looked at the political compass?
01:40:18.000 Yeah, but I think the political compass is even biased mostly towards libertarian left.
01:40:24.000 I think that libertarian right isn't even a real ideology.
01:40:27.000 I think that.
01:40:28.000 You what?
01:40:29.000 The libertarian right isn't even a real ideology.
01:40:32.000 You're always going to maintain hierarchy, whether that's through the government tapering down on the right or dealing with the right.
01:40:38.000 I agree.
01:40:39.000 I think libertarians are nuts.
01:40:40.000 You think the libertarian right doesn't think of.
01:40:43.000 He's disparaging them as wishful thinkers.
01:40:43.000 No, no, no.
01:40:46.000 So, you're saying that the.
01:40:48.000 Right libertarians don't believe in any hierarchy?
01:40:51.000 No, they do believe in hierarchy.
01:40:53.000 Okay.
01:40:53.000 I'm just saying it's more of a corporate, like, actual capitalist hierarchy than it is with a government hierarchy.
01:40:59.000 He's right.
01:41:00.000 I can't stand the laissez faire capitalists where they're like, it's better this way.
01:41:02.000 And then you get a monopoly that buys everything.
01:41:04.000 And then you get the oil barons or the East India Trading Company.
01:41:07.000 Well, they're just, they're not fine with government tyranny, but they're fine with corporate tyranny.
01:41:11.000 Exactly.
01:41:11.000 You get unanswerable, like, the East India Trading Company killing 50,000 people for black peppercorn.
01:41:16.000 Like, okay, he just, this idea of like, we'll be more free when we let one corporation buy everything is silly.
01:41:21.000 And then, You'll move upwards towards authoritarian when you have a government.
01:41:25.000 I'm not saying literal authoritarian, I'm saying you're more authoritarian when the government comes in and breaks these corporations up, but that is anti free trade.
01:41:32.000 So you're basically saying, we're not going to let you buy whatever you want because y'all buy people.
01:41:36.000 You know what I mean?
01:41:37.000 But that's why I think the political compass is not like the best way to look at different political ideologies.
01:41:43.000 I think that looking at the left and right spectrum as like how much do you want to preserve hierarchy is a better metric towards establishing what political ideology.
01:41:51.000 Well, so, but hold on.
01:41:53.000 Most.
01:41:53.000 With the far left, the various far left where you would like destroy all hierarchy would be like an anarchy of the world to you.
01:41:59.000 And I don't think that that's true.
01:42:00.000 The ultimate far left is communism.
01:42:02.000 No, but I would disagree.
01:42:03.000 I think that like the more that you try to dismantle hierarchy, you get to like anarchy, where you're dealing with like syndicates or like workers' unions.
01:42:10.000 That's what we're talking about like the furthest left.
01:42:10.000 If you want.
01:42:12.000 So this is actually.
01:42:13.000 The furthest right you would see is like totalitarian fascism.
01:42:16.000 You're talking about a totally different scale, which is typically top to bottom.
01:42:19.000 When we talk liberty, decentralized, to centralized, authoritarian on the compass, that's why I bring it up.
01:42:24.000 The scale that you're using is used by anarchists quite a bit, where they say either they will choose whether they want to identify as left or right and then claim the other side.
01:42:33.000 So, what right wing libertarians will do is they'll say the far right is freedom and anarchy and the far left is totalitarian communist.
01:42:39.000 And what the communists will do is that the far left is equality and distribution and the far right is corporatist monopolist.
01:42:45.000 But those are personalized to a singular ideology.
01:42:48.000 Let's just break it down and refer to the scales I'm talking about economic scale, where on the left, You could have authoritarian or otherwise.
01:42:57.000 No.
01:42:58.000 On the left, libertarian communism is a real thing that the right doesn't believe in.
01:43:02.000 Well, that's like that syndicalist worldview of decentralized unions.
01:43:02.000 Libertarian communism.
01:43:06.000 It exists when you have a hippie on a farm and they share their watermelon and do the dishes together.
01:43:10.000 There is no one in charge of the farm.
01:43:12.000 They all just hang out in their friends.
01:43:14.000 In Civil War Spain with workers' union syndicates.
01:43:14.000 And then, you know, Ian.
01:43:17.000 Until they got crushed, you know what I mean?
01:43:19.000 Like, you know, Catalonia.
01:43:20.000 But Ian's on a farm and he walks in and goes, dude, I grew some watermelon.
01:43:23.000 You guys want to share it?
01:43:24.000 Yeah, man.
01:43:26.000 Then they eat it together and then, bro, thanks for making the watermelon.
01:43:29.000 I'll take care of the trash for you.
01:43:30.000 That's it, works really well at small scale.
01:43:33.000 On the right, it works really well at small scale as well.
01:43:36.000 But then you get a monopoly, you get the East Indoor Trading Company, and they kill people over pepper.
01:43:40.000 So if we are Coca Cola death squads and.
01:43:43.000 Or banana death squads in Guatemala or whatever.
01:43:45.000 Banana death squads.
01:43:46.000 This is crazy, right?
01:43:47.000 The Banana Republic.
01:43:48.000 So the point I'm making is if we are talking about non authoritarian, we're talking literally about laissez faire capitalism to decentralized communal structures.
01:43:59.000 I would be to the left of you on some issues.
01:44:02.000 But here's what I'm going to say.
01:44:03.000 I think your issue with it largely is a tribal reaction.
01:44:07.000 You don't want to emotionally accept.
01:44:10.000 That I'm to the left, you on some things.
01:44:12.000 Well, I'd be fine if you actually lived up to those left wing positions.
01:44:16.000 Like, how do I not?
01:44:18.000 I think advocating for Donald Trump, who absolutely is not on those left ends of the spectrum.
01:44:23.000 Like, which ones?
01:44:24.000 Like, he's not left wing on immigration, which is a complete mischaracterization.
01:44:28.000 You're in tribally, sure, but I'm not talking about tribe.
01:44:31.000 I'm clearly on the right tribe.
01:44:32.000 It's not even tribally, it's economic as well.
01:44:35.000 Okay, come on.
01:44:35.000 Establishing a nationalist economy is not a left wing position.
01:44:43.000 Then I'm with Bernie on this one.
01:44:47.000 Something that is in what you said about being a democratic socialist is a more international view.
01:44:53.000 But I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the U.S. are considered out of political bounds.
01:45:01.000 Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders, about sharply increasing the number of foreign aid.
01:45:10.000 Open borders.
01:45:11.000 That's a Koch Brothers proposal.
01:45:13.000 Of course.
01:45:13.000 The idea.
01:45:14.000 I mean, that's a right wing proposal.
01:45:16.000 Oh my God.
01:45:17.000 No, but it's right wing.
01:45:18.000 Let's go.
01:45:19.000 It's right wing in the sense that not giving them citizenship will be easier for corporations to exploit them.
01:45:25.000 You're trying to justify why open borders is some not thing.
01:45:29.000 I'm going to go with my boy Bernie on this one.
01:45:31.000 That's why I backed him in 2016.
01:45:32.000 Right.
01:45:33.000 You're saying if you keep them illegal, it's right wing, but if you legalize them, it becomes a left wing.
01:45:38.000 Well, keeping them illegal makes them a more easily exploitable workforce where not only are they not.
01:45:45.000 They're not able to collectively bargain.
01:45:47.000 But at the same time, a lot of these corporations threaten ICE or they threaten deportation if they bring up things like wage theft or they bring up things like unpaid wages or unpaid benefits.
01:45:55.000 That is a right wing position, which is further establishing a hierarchy where this is a vulnerable class that's easily fixed.
01:46:01.000 I think, you know, I'm going to go with my man Bernie on this one and just say, you know, you can say whatever you want.
01:46:05.000 You think that more workers in a labor pool that build a larger union that can collectively bargain at a higher rate with their employers is a right wing position?
01:46:11.000 When they enter the country illegally, padding the workforce of that corporation, you said do.
01:46:16.000 It's not about them.
01:46:17.000 It's about reforming the immigration system to make it easier to become a citizen in this country.
01:46:21.000 Well, that's a different question from open borders.
01:46:23.000 Well, that's then that's like that was my position.
01:46:26.000 I'm for immigration.
01:46:27.000 Then why would somebody like Donald Trump?
01:46:31.000 Well, there's a difference between someone coming to the country legally and someone going through a legal mechanism and they're proposing to denaturalize those people.
01:46:39.000 In what way is that promoting the legal process?
01:46:41.000 Who's proposing denaturalizing what?
01:46:43.000 Donald Trump ordered the DOJ to denaturalize up to 2,000 people a month.
01:46:47.000 You can fact check me on that.
01:46:48.000 Well, for what?
01:46:49.000 On things like green cards, on things like permanent residence.
01:46:52.000 But for what justification?
01:46:53.000 Because he thinks that certain people from certain countries don't add to the value of this country.
01:46:58.000 So, what is the.
01:46:59.000 Basically, for what law?
01:47:01.000 What law grants denaturalization?
01:47:03.000 What law?
01:47:04.000 Yes, what law provides for denaturalization?
01:47:05.000 Well, this was at the command of the executive.
01:47:07.000 So, this wasn't a piece of legislation that was written into Congress.
01:47:10.000 It absolutely is.
01:47:12.000 It's the INA.
01:47:13.000 And it grants Marco Rubio the authority, pending at his sole discretion, to revoke visas.
01:47:20.000 And with justification, green cards, meaning for green card holders, they can cite justification.
01:47:26.000 Green card holders have a right to adjudication.
01:47:28.000 For naturalized citizens, if there is fraud found in the naturalization process, they can be denaturalized.
01:47:35.000 That's the INA.
01:47:35.000 And that gives Marco Rubio the power.
01:47:37.000 Yeah, fraud, concealing criminal conduct, terrorism, national security concerns, which is pretty vague, but there are certain serious criminal offenses.
01:47:44.000 The fraud and national security, I mean, what, you're critical of Israel too much?
01:47:47.000 Now you're going to lose your citizenship?
01:47:48.000 That's a question.
01:47:49.000 But is that not what happens?
01:47:50.000 It's only 100 people per month, 100 to 200 people per month are being denaturalized.
01:47:55.000 Which is upwards of 2,000 people a year.
01:47:57.000 A year, yeah.
01:47:58.000 2,400 a year.
01:47:59.000 I meant year.
01:47:59.000 What did I say month?
01:48:00.000 Sorry about that.
01:48:00.000 No, no, you said year.
01:48:01.000 I was correcting you.
01:48:02.000 The dude who got his visa revoked for being anti Israel.
01:48:07.000 I have two things to say about that.
01:48:08.000 Nobody, I really think it's stupid if there's like a student at a school who's anti Israel, you're going to pull their visa.
01:48:14.000 However, what's your thoughts on Mahmoud Khalil?
01:48:15.000 That's what I'm talking about.
01:48:16.000 Okay.
01:48:17.000 Like if he was at school and he was just like, you know, blogging and like writing papers.
01:48:17.000 Yeah.
01:48:23.000 Well, he participated in encampment, which is what the issue is.
01:48:25.000 Which is where you're getting into the threshold of criminal activity and a question of national interest.
01:48:33.000 But participating in a protest.
01:48:35.000 As not an American citizen, yet get out.
01:48:38.000 Like, why are we letting foreign individuals protest our government in our country?
01:48:42.000 He's a permanent resident.
01:48:43.000 He's not a citizen.
01:48:44.000 He's not a citizen.
01:48:44.000 He's a foreign resident.
01:48:45.000 He's still not a citizen.
01:48:46.000 He's a foreign individual.
01:48:48.000 Do you make a distinction between people that are permanent residents and citizens?
01:48:50.000 Do you think that criticizing the government just asks you?
01:48:54.000 Yes, I do.
01:48:56.000 Yes, I do.
01:48:56.000 And listen, I don't have the same position as Tim, right?
01:48:59.000 I'm full on, total.
01:49:02.000 Anybody that's here illegally, out.
01:49:04.000 Anybody that's illegal, if you're here illegally, you need to go.
01:49:07.000 But do you believe that there is a distinction between a person that is not a citizen and a person that is a citizen?
01:49:13.000 Yeah, but I think that the constitutional rights should be granted to all persons, as it says in the Constitution.
01:49:18.000 What constitutional right?
01:49:20.000 You're talking about the freedom of speech.
01:49:21.000 I think that people that are here that are not citizens.
01:49:24.000 It actually doesn't say that.
01:49:25.000 The Secretary of State, the State Department, has carte blanche to deport any guest that has paperwork at any time.
01:49:34.000 And I'm perfectly fine with that.
01:49:35.000 And Dean, I just want to show you.
01:49:36.000 It actually, to clarify.
01:49:38.000 I don't care about your moralizing, it does not say that.
01:49:41.000 The Constitution doesn't grant the right of any person to speak.
01:49:45.000 Well, it says of all persons.
01:49:46.000 That's specifically the language that I was talking about.
01:49:48.000 It doesn't.
01:49:49.000 It says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or the press or the right of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for reaches of grievances.
01:49:59.000 Sorry, the right of the people.
01:50:00.000 Which is a reference to what?
01:50:02.000 To the people.
01:50:03.000 The people means the citizens of the country.
01:50:05.000 Well, that could be an interpretation that you're taking.
01:50:07.000 You're taking a hard right stance on immigration.
01:50:10.000 I'll go with the right of the.
01:50:12.000 See, you think Bernie Sanders is right wing?
01:50:15.000 I think Bernie Sanders in this again is talking about the exploitability of undocumented workers.
01:50:19.000 And do you think that even if you allow undocumented workers to come into the country, can they be exploited?
01:50:25.000 Absolutely.
01:50:25.000 Will they be exploited?
01:50:26.000 Yeah.
01:50:27.000 Even if you provide protection.
01:50:28.000 We're going to reform our immigration system.
01:50:29.000 Do people in unions ever get exploited? 0.62
01:50:31.000 If we have an ISIS.
01:50:32.000 Do people in unions ever get exploited?
01:50:35.000 Not at the same rate as people in our individual.
01:50:36.000 I didn't ask what rate.
01:50:37.000 I said, do they get exploited?
01:50:38.000 Yeah, of course.
01:50:39.000 Are they being exploited today?
01:50:40.000 So you're going to let corporations exploit workers at a lower rate and that's still okay?
01:50:40.000 Yeah.
01:50:44.000 That's still a straw man.
01:50:45.000 And we'll call you moderate right wing.
01:50:46.000 Being in the union, being able to collectively organize with Fellow workers absolutely increases your ability to withstand exploitation.
01:50:54.000 That's the difference.
01:50:54.000 It doesn't mean that it's going to end it all right.
01:50:56.000 Becoming in a union makes everything.
01:50:57.000 What if the union votes to have them deported?
01:51:01.000 What do you mean?
01:51:02.000 If the union votes to deport the workers that are now citizens in the union?
01:51:07.000 Like the unions that back Trump.
01:51:10.000 In 2024, a bunch of the unions backed Trump and they wanted these people removed.
01:51:14.000 Well, first of all, backing a president that's trying to increase the ability for corporations to union bust.
01:51:20.000 Is not in the same interest.
01:51:21.000 And why did they support him?
01:51:22.000 If you're talking about the Teamsters, and why did they support him?
01:51:24.000 If you're talking about the Teamsters that endorse Trump at the RNC in order to get favorability amongst a presidential administration that is going to determine how strong their union is able to be, that's a whole different thing than saying unions support Trump in full.
01:51:37.000 I'm talking about the ones that did.
01:51:39.000 Which party do you think is more in favor of further unionization?
01:51:42.000 Let's ask that.
01:51:43.000 The Democrats.
01:51:44.000 Okay.
01:51:45.000 So I don't understand what the issue is.
01:51:49.000 You have an emotional reaction to the statement that open borders is a right wing proposal.
01:51:54.000 I have a fact check here.
01:51:55.000 You have absolutely no emotion.
01:51:56.000 I'm not pro open borders.
01:51:58.000 I have a fact check for you guys regarding people's right to peaceably assemble.
01:51:58.000 When did I say that?
01:52:02.000 Yes, it does refer to non citizens as well.
01:52:05.000 The Supreme Court ruled Bridges versus Wixon that non citizens have the right for peaceable assembly.
01:52:12.000 And I also agree that under the INA, the Secretary of State can remove them.
01:52:12.000 I mean.
01:52:18.000 For what exactly?
01:52:19.000 What does it give them?
01:52:20.000 Anything they want.
01:52:21.000 Marco Rubio has unilateral authority to revoke permits under certain restrictions, green cards, and with fraud, citizenship.
01:52:29.000 But not like you looked at me weird.
01:52:31.000 Because you just said yes.
01:52:31.000 Okay.
01:52:32.000 Oh, no, no, no, no.
01:52:32.000 Wait, wait.
01:52:33.000 For visas.
01:52:33.000 Secretary of State, you looked at me strange.
01:52:35.000 You're not a citizen.
01:52:36.000 You're out.
01:52:37.000 Stop.
01:52:37.000 No, no, no, no.
01:52:38.000 That's what I asked.
01:52:39.000 Visas.
01:52:40.000 Any reason.
01:52:40.000 Green card, certain restrictions, citizenship with fraud.
01:52:44.000 So if a guy is here on a tourist visa or a temporary work visa or an athlete visa, the Secretary of State can say, I don't care.
01:52:51.000 I don't need a reason.
01:52:52.000 You're gone.
01:52:53.000 It's just wild to be a part of nonviolent expression against like a government action.
01:52:59.000 And your response to that is going to be like, hell yeah, let's remove them from the roots they built here as a Permanent residence.
01:53:04.000 It's not wild.
01:53:05.000 Well, no one said that.
01:53:07.000 If your population.
01:53:08.000 No one said that.
01:53:09.000 Oh, sure.
01:53:09.000 Phil said that.
01:53:10.000 I mean, I don't agree with Phil on that.
01:53:12.000 My argument was like, if he's anti.
01:53:15.000 You're allowed to criticize Israel.
01:53:17.000 You're allowed to come to this country.
01:53:18.000 People who come to this country come from all sorts of countries with all sorts of disagreements with the United States.
01:53:22.000 Organizing and being involved in big protests is where you're on the line of criminality.
01:53:26.000 It's not criminal.
01:53:27.000 That's what I just said.
01:53:28.000 It's part of expression against the government action.
01:53:30.000 So, was anybody at those encampments arrested?
01:53:32.000 Yeah, there were.
01:53:33.000 So, there's a line of criminality.
01:53:35.000 But what are they arrested for?
01:53:37.000 What's the severity of the crime?
01:53:38.000 That's why I said it's the line.
01:53:40.000 I'm not saying they're murdering.
01:53:41.000 You're murdering, like, if he's speeding, then, like, a permanent resident can get their residency removed and get deported to a country who they might not have been in for a decade.
01:53:48.000 The plurality of this country votes for immigration enforcement.
01:53:51.000 That's democracy.
01:53:52.000 And I may not completely agree on the threshold, but I'm not going to also go out and protest.
01:53:56.000 I'm objecting to the action.
01:53:58.000 I'm not saying that it's going to happen if a majority of people want it in the current system that we have, but we can all agree that there are some laws that we'd consider immoral.
01:54:05.000 What if you were in charge of the law?
01:54:06.000 Most of the laws are immoral.
01:54:08.000 Hypothetically, if you were in charge of the nation's security and you were at war with another country and you found a bunch of their citizens were here without, you know, they weren't citizens, but they were protesting and advocating for the other country to win and for your country to fall and for you to die, like what would you do as a commander of the military?
01:54:24.000 Well, it depends on what the actions are.
01:54:26.000 If they're threatening the security and safety of other people that are living within the country, but by violent means, then absolutely the government will.
01:54:33.000 It's all by voice.
01:54:34.000 They're sitting in groups and they're saying, we need the U.S. to fall.
01:54:37.000 We need, and more people keep.
01:54:38.000 Coming to their group.
01:54:39.000 That's part of having freedom of speech.
01:54:41.000 The group is growing and people are going to say things that even the government does not agree with.
01:54:44.000 Correct.
01:54:44.000 Yes.
01:54:45.000 Your job as the military commander is the majority of the nation.
01:54:45.000 No, I disagree with that.
01:54:48.000 You notice that now this group is growing and growing and growing and growing.
01:54:52.000 And now you know maybe they're open carrying.
01:54:54.000 Now you know they're growing even bigger and they're louder.
01:54:57.000 Like at what point are you going to do anything?
01:54:59.000 To take the predictive measure of I'm going to stop crime before it happens is the exact justification for every authoritarian regime.
01:55:05.000 But it's also not stopping crime before it happens can also lead to the downfall of your nation.
01:55:10.000 Look at Neville Chamberlain.
01:55:11.000 Again, you're saying that the justification is worth it for the government to do that, the predictive crime.
01:55:17.000 I would say no, absolutely.
01:55:18.000 It's never yes or no.
01:55:19.000 It's not one or the other.
01:55:21.000 The British didn't intervene with the German war machine, and because of that, the Germans invaded.
01:55:24.000 Let me ask you some questions.
01:55:27.000 Who's your favorite president?
01:55:29.000 Yeah, you're going to say FDR did the Japanese invasion.
01:55:31.000 I'm not.
01:55:32.000 I'm not talking about FDR.
01:55:32.000 Absolutely.
01:55:33.000 I'm asking you who your favorite president was.
01:55:35.000 I don't think that we should look at politicians as celebrities, but I do think that, as far as the domestic agenda, I do like the policies of FDR.
01:55:35.000 I don't know.
01:55:44.000 Okay.
01:55:44.000 When it comes to rebuilding the working class and stuff.
01:55:47.000 Do you know who the most popular president in American history is?
01:55:50.000 Um.
01:55:51.000 Probably George Washington early on.
01:55:54.000 Incorrect.
01:55:54.000 Who is it?
01:55:55.000 He's a top contender.
01:55:56.000 Abraham Lincoln.
01:55:57.000 Wait, I disagree with that.
01:55:58.000 No way.
01:56:00.000 When Americans are polled, Abraham Lincoln takes the poll.
01:56:02.000 I thought you were saying at the time who was.
01:56:02.000 Oh, now.
01:56:04.000 Oh, no, no, no.
01:56:04.000 No, no, no.
01:56:05.000 That's what I'm saying.
01:56:06.000 There's no fucking way we broke the country.
01:56:07.000 Historically, when they run polls, there's one guy who's won nearly every single time throughout the generations.
01:56:12.000 And who removed habeas corpus and, yeah.
01:56:15.000 It didn't make it legal.
01:56:16.000 So did FBI, the internment camps.
01:56:19.000 At some point, just speaking, yeah, it's peaceful to a point.
01:56:24.000 But you can rally a lot of subverted danger with just peaceful.
01:56:28.000 So, do you think the Japanese internment camps were necessary?
01:56:31.000 It's hard to tell because there was no control study.
01:56:33.000 I don't know if there were Japanese revolts inside of the country.
01:56:36.000 If they hadn't interned them, tell me how you can reconcile that.
01:56:40.000 How me?
01:56:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:56:41.000 So, I don't think they were necessary because in the 40s, right, when they were interning them, most of the people that came to the United States were pro United States and wanted to become Americans.
01:56:53.000 And they were very, very small in population, the numbers were microscopic.
01:56:55.000 And so, I don't think the internment of Japanese, and we talked about this the other night because he had made some comment about interning Chinese people, the possibility of interning Chinese people, which is like 3% of the population.
01:57:06.000 But so, I don't think the Japanese internment was even defensible because when people came to the United States, in that timeframe, they wanted to become American.
01:57:16.000 You saw people saying, no, we're not speaking the old language.
01:57:19.000 We're going to learn English, et cetera, et cetera.
01:57:21.000 So, I don't think that it was defensible at all.
01:57:22.000 We ought to grab some questions from the crew here, the Timcast Discord, and we went a little long, so I'll try and grab what I can.
01:57:29.000 I have some questions after that.
01:57:31.000 Here's a couple before we leave.
01:57:33.000 SWC says, question for Mason If the Constitution gives rights to all people inside the borders of the U.S., then what is to stop transient non citizens from purchasing weapons, assembling militias, voting, or creating parallel systems of power?
01:57:44.000 What separates an invasion from an other than legal mass migration?
01:57:48.000 Well, there's a difference between identifying a threat that can happen within the country and having proper evidence to do that.
01:57:53.000 That's what probable cause is.
01:57:54.000 And so showing that you're organizing a militia that has clear intent to harm U.S. citizens.
01:57:59.000 Absolutely, the government would have justification.
01:58:02.000 So then, people gathering and saying, Look, we want to tear down the government, or we want to do.
01:58:07.000 Hold on, hold on.
01:58:08.000 Let me finish.
01:58:09.000 Go ahead.
01:58:10.000 Saying that they want to tear down the structures of the government, they want to do all these things that would basically change the government or, say, start a revolution.
01:58:19.000 That's not probable cause.
01:58:20.000 People on a college campus saying we cannot continue to enable a genocide.
01:58:20.000 That's not intent.
01:58:25.000 I was specific in my question.
01:58:27.000 I was specific in my question.
01:58:29.000 People that are saying we're revolutionaries, we want to tear down the government, we want to tear down the existing structures.
01:58:34.000 Those are specific things.
01:58:35.000 That's not probable cause.
01:58:37.000 If you had the means in order to bring about violence towards American citizens, that would be probable cause.
01:58:43.000 There's like a billion guns in America.
01:58:47.000 So, what are you saying?
01:58:48.000 I think it's 650 million.
01:58:49.000 Yeah, so there's definitely means to start a violent uprising.
01:58:53.000 I'm as pro 2A as it comes.
01:58:56.000 But there's a difference between organized militia that's specifically designed to inflict violence versus those that are against government action.
01:59:04.000 No, no, but that's not, again, you're changing it because I didn't say against government action.
01:59:04.000 Absolutely.
01:59:08.000 I said, people that say we need to tear down the government, we need to start a revolution.
01:59:13.000 That's not being, I'm against this particular action.
01:59:16.000 That's being against the government, against the United States.
01:59:19.000 I think saying that, no, well, then I'd say that we're at a difference versus what we're interpreting a lot of these encampments.
01:59:27.000 I'm specifically talking about the encampments.
01:59:28.000 I don't think that deporting people for participating in protests against Israel's continuing a genocide is something that's worth removing citizenship.
01:59:37.000 What about China?
01:59:39.000 What about China with what?
01:59:40.000 Like the Falun Gong.
01:59:41.000 Should we, you know, would you defend their right to protest China?
01:59:47.000 I'm unfamiliar.
01:59:50.000 Any group that's protesting any other country, are they allowed to be here?
01:59:52.000 You know what I mean?
01:59:53.000 Like, I'm not even talking about the U.S. government actions.
01:59:54.000 I'm saying there's a group of people that are Chinese that hate China.
01:59:57.000 So they're protesting China and the United States.
01:59:59.000 Yeah.
01:59:59.000 Would you take issue?
02:00:00.000 No.
02:00:01.000 Why would there be an issue with that?
02:00:02.000 I'm asking you if there's a distinction you see in the morality of a genocide versus any other country.
02:00:06.000 No.
02:00:08.000 That's all the question was.
02:00:09.000 Let's grab this because we don't have a lot of time.
02:00:11.000 Let's see.
02:00:12.000 I didn't say it's hard to read. 0.84
02:00:15.000 Roton Nation says, Mason, if artificial wombs existed en masse, what argument would women have about abortion if they had the ability to transfer the embryo safely without harm?
02:00:24.000 I ask because then everyone wins.
02:00:26.000 Well, let me simplify this question Should women be allowed to get abortions if an artificial one existed that could preserve the life of the embryo?
02:00:35.000 I think that our preservation of life is something that's important.
02:00:38.000 And obviously, abortion is always going to be a morality issue of where you necessarily see life.
02:00:43.000 I think that personal autonomy is something that we guarantee within our legal system.
02:00:48.000 And we don't prioritize preservation of life over that bodily autonomy.
02:00:52.000 So, like in an instance where, if you were in a car crash that you caused because you drunk drive, you initially volunteered.
02:00:58.000 To put someone else's life at risk, and they require like a kidney transplant.
02:01:03.000 You happen to be a match.
02:01:04.000 No sane person would say, Yeah, the government should force you to donate a kidney to that person.
02:01:08.000 Now, what if you.
02:01:09.000 That's the same thing I'd view with pregnancy.
02:01:10.000 So let's assume she's pregnant, 10 weeks pregnant, and she says, I don't want to be pregnant.
02:01:16.000 For whatever reason, it's none of your business. 0.95
02:01:17.000 And the doctor says, We can remove the embryo and put it into an artificial womb where it will survive.
02:01:22.000 Yeah, I think that that's definitely going to be an interesting conversation when that technology exists because we're definitely on track to be there.
02:01:29.000 It does exist.
02:01:29.000 It does exist right now.
02:01:30.000 They just don't, it's not commercial for human use.
02:01:32.000 They've already proven it with animals.
02:01:33.000 Like lambs and stuff?
02:01:34.000 Yeah.
02:01:34.000 Yeah.
02:01:35.000 So it exists.
02:01:36.000 The question is, and the question needs to be answered.
02:01:39.000 If there was a way to do that safely, protecting the health, then yeah, I think that that could be a compromise.
02:01:39.000 Yeah.
02:01:45.000 I think that's the only answer.
02:01:47.000 I mean, because then it's okay, fine.
02:01:48.000 You can terminate the pregnancy, but not the baby.
02:01:50.000 And then the baby gets to live, and the woman has her choice or whatever it may be.
02:01:53.000 And no one's happy, but.
02:01:55.000 Yeah, I just, I don't know.
02:01:56.000 Everyone's bummed out means you made the right choice.
02:01:57.000 Everyone's bummed out.
02:01:58.000 Does a woman have to pay for the just Of the baby in the artificial womb, or do I have to pay for it as a taxpayer?
02:02:03.000 Oh, here we go.
02:02:03.000 There's no answer.
02:02:04.000 I don't want to pay for other people's artificial baby wombs. 0.80
02:02:07.000 I got enough problems in my life.
02:02:10.000 That's a good point.
02:02:10.000 I got no answer.
02:02:11.000 I would rather pay for the artificial baby wombs than pay for the abortion. 1.00
02:02:15.000 I don't want to pay for any of it.
02:02:16.000 All right.
02:02:16.000 Well, guys, we only have a couple minutes left, and you wanted to ask some questions.
02:02:19.000 Yeah.
02:02:20.000 I just saw a lot of the Charlie Kirk portraits behind you.
02:02:24.000 I just had a question about who's your source that said that he was stable?
02:02:24.000 Autographed.
02:02:32.000 I don't want to.
02:02:36.000 You don't want to share who it is.
02:02:37.000 My security company is friends with Charlie's security company.
02:02:40.000 And so when all this stuff was going down, the people who work here were in constant conversation.
02:02:46.000 Let me put it like this I don't want to get anybody fired, and I don't want to make anybody the center of attention.
02:02:53.000 I got a phone call.
02:02:54.000 I was calling everybody, and we were told by someone on Charlie's team that he was stable.
02:03:01.000 And I said, Can I report this?
02:03:03.000 And they said, Yes.
02:03:04.000 And I said, Okay.
02:03:05.000 And I wasn't sure, but I'll tell you the reality is the information that we were getting was basically like, he's not dead.
02:03:16.000 And we were like, please God.
02:03:18.000 And then the next thing we hear is they've got him in the hospital.
02:03:20.000 He's stable.
02:03:21.000 Or I don't know if he was at the hospital at that point.
02:03:23.000 They were like, he's stable.
02:03:23.000 He was on the way.
02:03:24.000 I think what we were told was that at the time, and this is what's really, really so offensive about so many people, man.
02:03:24.000 He was on the way.
02:03:32.000 I mean, first of all, celebrating his death.
02:03:34.000 And then people like, I don't know if Hassan was doing this, but they're tweeting at me like, he was stable.
02:03:39.000 He was stable.
02:03:40.000 These people can go fuck themselves.
02:03:42.000 Charlie had just gotten shot.
02:03:43.000 Literally no one knew what happened.
02:03:45.000 Within minutes, we're getting messages saying, he's not dead.
02:03:48.000 And I think what happens is the information we got relayed was not to say that he was in a hospital bed with his heart beating and they were transfusing blood and he was alive.
02:03:59.000 It was that he's in transport to the hospital and he's not dead.
02:04:04.000 That's what they meant by stable.
02:04:05.000 And so now, in hindsight, nobody asks what happened on that day and they take it and manipulate it to presume I'm saying Charlie's laying in a hospital.
02:04:14.000 They've got him on life support and he's okay.
02:04:16.000 Yeah, I just ask because I think you were like the first person to say, not definitively, but just something.
02:04:22.000 You know what the sad reality is?
02:04:25.000 Behind the scenes, we are being told he's alive and stable.
02:04:33.000 And again, I think what they're conveying to us in the car is he's in the car and alive, and he's not actively dying.
02:04:40.000 Gotcha.
02:04:41.000 But the reality is, on the phone, the people crying are like, I think he's going to die.
02:04:47.000 And I'm fucked up, man.
02:04:50.000 Reliving that, I get a phone call.
02:04:52.000 Charlie got shot.
02:04:55.000 And the only thing we wanted to believe was that he was not going to die.
02:05:00.000 And then when I get a phone call and they're like, damn, I don't think he's going to fucking live, bro.
02:05:04.000 I think he's going to die.
02:05:06.000 But they're telling us that he's alive and he's stable.
02:05:09.000 And I tweeted that because I want it to be fucking true.
02:05:12.000 Man, these fucking demons, dude.
02:05:18.000 We did that Jubilee episode and I said there are white supremacists that voted for Trump hoping that ICE would kill migrants.
02:05:26.000 And these motherfuckers wrote stories saying Tim Poole says he wants ICE to kill migrants.
02:05:31.000 These are fucking demons.
02:05:33.000 I don't want anybody shot.
02:05:35.000 I don't want anyone to die.
02:05:37.000 I don't want you or any liberal or any progressive to be hurt or killed or beaten by cops.
02:05:42.000 But mother Jesus, these people and the things they say dancing on stage with fake blood on their necks.
02:05:50.000 We live with demons, man.
02:05:51.000 I just pulled up your tweet about it from Grok and it says, Source tells me Charlie is stable.
02:05:56.000 Please, God.
02:05:57.000 It wasn't, you didn't say it was stable.
02:05:58.000 You said source tells me, Charles.
02:06:00.000 And then you followed up.
02:06:01.000 I received a call from a trustworthy source who told me this.
02:06:03.000 I want to believe and I'm hoping.
02:06:04.000 Just pray.
02:06:05.000 That was your response to it.
02:06:07.000 And I had 17 phone calls at that moment where I was like, bro, I had one dude who works in security.
02:06:14.000 So I don't want to say too much, but I only brought it up just because I don't think I ever heard the source was.
02:06:19.000 So I just wanted to ask since I had the opportunity.
02:06:23.000 I also mentioned that, you know, Ben Shapiro said that he was getting updates from Charlie's security team.
02:06:28.000 And that was true for us the same. 1.00
02:06:30.000 And Candace is a liar. 0.74
02:06:31.000 And all these people lied.
02:06:33.000 So I'll make sure this is very clear for everybody.
02:06:35.000 My security team involves on the ground guards, the head of the company, secretaries.
02:06:40.000 Charlie's security has very much the same.
02:06:42.000 Charlie's security was not literally just four guys in a van.
02:06:46.000 His security company probably has 100 plus employees.
02:06:49.000 Our security company, they're all friends with each other.
02:06:52.000 So when we need security, our security guy calls them up and says, Who you got located in these locations?
02:06:58.000 We've worked with Charlie, like not formally, but like when we go to TPUSA events, we've had Charlie's security working for us.
02:07:03.000 We were at TPUSA.
02:07:04.000 Their security did security for us because that's security for the whole event.
02:07:07.000 So, when this is going down, the logistics people are getting information relayed by the people on the ground, which is not everybody in the car.
02:07:15.000 And they're talking with other security that includes Ben's and includes ours.
02:07:18.000 Why?
02:07:19.000 Charlie just got shot.
02:07:20.000 And it's not even necessarily a professional courtesy, it's that they're friends.
02:07:25.000 Like the guy who runs our security company is friends of the guy who runs Charlie's security company.
02:07:29.000 So he probably is on the phone calling them and be like, yo, what just happened?
02:07:33.000 And they're like, this is what we know.
02:07:35.000 Stay tuned.
02:07:36.000 And then all of these conspiracy people are acting like.
02:07:40.000 Charlie only had three security guards in the car calling Ben Shapiro.
02:07:43.000 So I'll tell you this.
02:07:45.000 We had about, I probably had like 17 phone calls.
02:07:48.000 One security guy said, before we knew anything, I was driving with my wife and we got on the highway when Alex Stein called me and he said, Charlie's been shot.
02:07:58.000 And I said, I'll call you back.
02:07:59.000 And I hung up.
02:07:59.000 What?
02:08:00.000 And that was within like 30 seconds of it happening.
02:08:02.000 I guess, you know, Alex was watching.
02:08:04.000 We are on the highway.
02:08:05.000 We're heading to Winchester.
02:08:08.000 And this is when I start, my phone starts blowing up.
02:08:11.000 People who work here are friends with people who worked for Charlie.
02:08:13.000 Like, we know all these people.
02:08:14.000 We were at Amfest every year.
02:08:17.000 Literally friends, as in they were literally texting each other about clothes and food and shopping when this went down.
02:08:24.000 As much as we were hearing positive things, I will tell you the secret that nobody said, when I said, I'm hearing he's sable, so our salesman, I hope it's true.
02:08:33.000 I had heard 17 times he was dead.
02:08:35.000 Not that he was like overtly dead, but I get one of the calls that's notable is a guy who does security, firearms specialty, firearms training, sniper stuff.
02:08:44.000 Hey, Tim, ain't nobody surviving that shot.
02:08:46.000 And I was like, bro, don't tell me this, dude.
02:08:50.000 And he's like, You're saying you said it just in hopes that it was true.
02:08:54.000 When I was told no one's surviving that shot, it was not definitive.
02:08:58.000 I'm sorry.
02:09:00.000 When I got a call and I said, Tell me what's going on, he's like, Brother, no one's surviving that.
02:09:07.000 It wasn't a Charlie's dead.
02:09:08.000 So I'm not going to tweet, Charlie can't survive.
02:09:13.000 The official statement we got.
02:09:16.000 Hey, Charlie's.
02:09:19.000 I think it was.
02:09:19.000 I don't know what time it was.
02:09:20.000 You have to check.
02:09:22.000 And I may have waited to tweet it, but it was.
02:09:24.000 He's stable.
02:09:26.000 And again.
02:09:27.000 7 43 general mountain time, which is.
02:09:31.000 No, that's not correct.
02:09:31.000 Because I was.
02:09:32.000 That was way.
02:09:33.000 Charlie got shot at like 3 o'clock or something.
02:09:35.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:09:35.000 I remember just like 4 all talking about it.
02:09:36.000 It would have been around 4 because I was live streaming at 4 30.
02:09:40.000 Something like that.
02:09:41.000 What it meant is that my understanding was they were saying he's on his way and he's not dying.
02:09:45.000 Like they're holding his nag or whatever.
02:09:47.000 Like there was no super specifics.
02:09:49.000 It was just like.
02:09:50.000 He's alive, so I don't know, man.
02:09:53.000 And now, and now, uh, thanks for the context, yeah, yeah, no disruption, everything.
02:09:59.000 It's not like I was there, you know what I mean?
02:10:00.000 It's just, uh, but you knew him well.
02:10:02.000 I was just texting with him, like, I had just not that day, but like, uh, like a week earlier, you know, we were texting, and I didn't know him super well.
02:10:10.000 You know, I would call him a friend just in that I put it like this we weren't bar buddies, we didn't hang out.
02:10:16.000 But if I publicly said, Well, I don't think Charlie's my friend, he'd be offended, he'd be like, What?
02:10:20.000 He's like, What are you talking on the phone?
02:10:21.000 Like, what do you mean?
02:10:24.000 You know, I don't know, it is what it is.
02:10:25.000 So, we just live with it.
02:10:27.000 People are nasty, you know what I mean?
02:10:29.000 It just is what it is.
02:10:30.000 We do got to go, though.
02:10:31.000 It was great having you.
02:10:32.000 You definitely have you back because I think the conversation was fantastic.
02:10:34.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.
02:10:35.000 I appreciate it.
02:10:36.000 I appreciate the team.
02:10:37.000 Your team's been very accommodating.
02:10:39.000 My flight got canceled like once and maybe twice last night.
02:10:41.000 So, appreciate it.
02:10:42.000 Always, always.
02:10:43.000 I just want to stress what you get on Jubilee versus when we actually have time to sit down and have a real conversation.
02:10:48.000 It's more fruitful.
02:10:49.000 So, follow me on X and Instagram.
02:10:50.000 You want to shout anything out?
02:10:52.000 Yeah, check out Twitter, I guess, One Hand Politics, if that's the camera I'm supposed to look at.
02:10:57.000 I stream pretty frequently every week.
02:10:57.000 Or Twitch.
02:10:59.000 So if you want to check me out there, appreciate y'all having me.
02:11:02.000 Yeah, good time, man.
02:11:03.000 I hope that the fact checking helped.
02:11:04.000 This was a blast.
02:11:05.000 I'm sorry, Ian.
02:11:07.000 Did it say GMT?
02:11:08.000 Yeah.
02:11:08.000 That's Greenwich Mean Time.
02:11:10.000 Oh.
02:11:11.000 Those General Mountains.
02:11:12.000 Where the hell is my mind?
02:11:14.000 Are there four time zones in the U.S. or three?
02:11:16.000 Someone commented.
02:11:16.000 Eastern.
02:11:17.000 They're like, does Ian think GMT?
02:11:19.000 That's General Mountains.
02:11:20.000 Greenwich Mean Time.
02:11:20.000 Thanks.
02:11:21.000 General Mountains.
02:11:21.000 That's British centric.
02:11:23.000 That's with the center of the universe, zero, the prime meridian, they call it.
02:11:27.000 It's all British propaganda.
02:11:27.000 Yeah.
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02:11:58.000 And yeah, that's it.
02:11:59.000 I'm going to say one last thing as we wrap this up, just to simplify the point on Charlie.
02:12:05.000 What makes me.
02:12:08.000 Angry is that the tweet saying that he was stable and I'm praying and please God be true was a tweet of hope that he could survive, despite the fact most of us believed he wouldn't.
02:12:22.000 That is currently being weaponized by nasty people, maybe evil is a better way to describe it, to mock my pain on that day and what hope we tried to preserve.
02:12:35.000 So I get it.
02:12:37.000 It's the internet.
02:12:38.000 This is what the internet does.
02:12:41.000 There you go.
02:12:42.000 But I assume most of you watching already understood all of that anyway, but it feels good to say.
02:12:47.000 Thank you all for watching, and we will see you all next time.