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00:00:31.000 Eight years?

00:00:32.000 Eight years ago, the whole thing with the ranch happened.

00:00:34.000 I remember seeing this photo of a guy, like, on the highway pointing a gun. 1.00

00:00:37.000 Crazy shit like that. 0.99

00:00:39.000 And, uh, I talked about it a bit at the time. 1.00

00:00:42.000 And, of course, the mainstream media, far-right extremists and all that other bullshit, and I'm like, I don't know, what's the story here?

00:00:49.000 But we only talked about it a little bit on the main show, and probably for obvious reasons, because some of this can get really spicy, I'd imagine.

00:00:56.000 But where should we start on this one?

00:00:59.000 Luke Hates the Government, you got a question to ask?

00:01:03.000 What was the biggest learning lesson from all of this?

00:01:06.000 Learning lesson.

00:01:07.000 Yeah, what'd you learn from going over everything and what kind of advice would you give individuals from your experience?

00:01:12.000 You're gonna love this I think right because I learned and I mean I Honestly say that this I believe that this is the the biggest learning lesson That our rights are not maintained in the courts or in the ballot box that they're maintained On the grounds in which they were established.

00:01:30.000 Now don't get me wrong, you know, good things happen and important things happen, especially in theory, in the courtroom and in the ballot box.

00:01:37.000 So I am running for office, so that means something.

00:01:41.000 But rights are not maintained in the courtroom or in the ballot box.

00:01:46.000 They literally are maintained on the grounds and where they were established.

00:01:51.000 And you maintain them by claiming them and by using them and by defending them.

00:01:56.000 And sometimes you have to bring your friends around you to defend them.

00:02:01.000 That's protest, that's First Amendment right there.

00:02:02.000 Yeah.

00:02:03.000 Well, that's even what like just, I mean, any righteous war if there is such a thing.

00:02:11.000 But defending, any defense of rights, ultimately, even if it comes down to physical, even if

00:02:18.000 it comes down to violence, that is how you actually hang on to it.

00:02:23.000 So, we talked about, on the main show, the initial standoff.

00:02:26.000 It was in Nevada?

00:02:27.000 Yeah, Nevada.

00:02:29.000 But there was another story that happened sometime later.

00:02:32.000 This was where an individual was shot and killed and this video went viral.

00:02:35.000 Yeah.

00:02:35.000 So, what was that?

00:02:36.000 Was that a related incident or what was the story?

00:02:39.000 So, what happened was, you know, everything went down in 2014 at the Bundy Ranch.

00:02:45.000 Basically, Thousands of people came, and they gave the government an ultimatum, like, you leave, we're not okay with this.

00:02:52.000 And they decided to take it, and they left.

00:02:54.000 Wow.

00:02:55.000 And they actually have never come back.

00:02:58.000 Wow, so you guys won?

00:02:59.000 We won, we completely won.

00:03:01.000 Wow.

00:03:01.000 We put the ranch back together, you know, got, repaired the, you know, the water infrastructure and the corrals, and ultimately, you know, built the herd back up, and so.

00:03:11.000 Just like in Avatar.

00:03:12.000 There you go.

00:03:13.000 So there was damages, you know, there's no doubt about that.

00:03:17.000 But then what happened was I became aware of another ranching family in Oregon.

00:03:24.000 It was a terrible situation.

00:03:27.000 In fact, it was even worse than ours.

00:03:31.000 Here I had this following, if you will, or I had the ability to be able to reach a lot of people.

00:03:39.000 And I'm like, I felt like I needed to go help this family.

00:03:43.000 So I went to Oregon, I found out, made sure that they were legit, and I began to shine a ton of light on what was happening to the Hammond family.

00:03:54.000 And I got national attention, eventually got international attention, and of course they had to like squash it because uh in their own emails they were saying the virus is spreading like we have to stop this because we were winning the narrative again yeah and they were like we cannot allow another bundy ranch thing thing to happen so on the way to a count a meeting in grant county oregon like

00:04:20.000 400 people including the county sheriff all that were waiting for us To address them in this meeting that they that the count those people in that county had organized.

00:04:29.000 There's a pass where you lose Cell reception and as soon as we lost cell reception, they literally ambushed us the FBI and open fire on the vehicle and they end up killing LaVoy Finicum and then they arrested us and And then they went on a witch hunt and arrested everybody in the Nevada case as well.

00:04:49.000 Would you mind if we looked the video up?

00:04:51.000 Not at all.

00:04:52.000 What was their reasoning for opening fire?

00:04:56.000 Well, we don't really know.

00:04:58.000 At first they tried to say that we fled, but that was absolutely a lie.

00:05:04.000 They opened fire on the first vehicle, and that's why Lavoie took off.

00:05:08.000 Oh, that's right.

00:05:09.000 I think I've seen this.

00:05:11.000 People don't know those details or never look into them because they lied about it.

00:05:15.000 And then the FBI actually lied that they ever shot.

00:05:17.000 They just said it was Oregon State Police, OSP, that shot.

00:05:23.000 And that was an absolute lie.

00:05:24.000 They were shooting into the vehicle most of the time that the vehicle was driving.

00:05:32.000 My brother was in there.

00:05:34.000 I was in the vehicle behind.

00:05:35.000 LaVoy Finicum was in there and two women were in there and they were taking on shots.

00:05:42.000 My brother got shot in the shoulder and he still has the round in his...

00:05:48.000 He said he left it in there as evidence.

00:05:50.000 Yeah.

00:05:51.000 So, because they arrested us, they threw us in prison, a federal detention center, federal prison, and we figured at some time we were going to have to prove that the FBI actually shot and the best evidence was in his shoulder.

00:06:09.000 They'd be able to extract it, do the forensic analysis on whatever weapon shot it.

00:06:17.000 You know, it was going to be an FBI weapon.

00:06:20.000 I remember, so the Oregonian has Sean O'Cock's cell phone video from inside the boy Finnegan's truck.

00:06:26.000 I remember the official narrative was that he got out of the vehicle and then went to draw his weapon, so they opened fire on him.

00:06:33.000 And then the cell phone footage gets released showing they actually shot at the vehicle first.

00:06:38.000 The windows explode.

00:06:39.000 That's right.

00:06:40.000 And then he gets out, he's being shot at.

00:06:43.000 Then they claimed he went for his weapon and my understanding was that he was being shot at and he reached in for a holster, but you said that's not true.

00:06:50.000 No, so the snow was deep and you could see it because the FBI had a drone or a plane but way up high with no sound, right?

00:06:59.000 But you can see in the snow, you know when you're walking around the snow and he's saying, because what he did was they were firing into the vehicle and he Got out with his hands in the air and said shoot me shoot

00:07:12.000 me He was trying to get them to draw fire to him to save the

00:07:16.000 people that were in the vehicle Yeah, that's what he was doing and he raises his hand. Well,

00:07:21.000 he he gets either get shot Because they were shooting these, you know, the the non-lethal

00:07:27.000 ones as well He and he either goes down like that, but he does not reach

00:07:32.000 into it he just goes down like he either stumbles or he gets shot

00:07:37.000 and then they just open fired on him and shot him in the back three times and he just

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00:08:44.000 When they stopped, you guys, was it like, we think you might have weapons, we got to search the vehicles, get out of the vehicle?

00:08:51.000 So they had completely premeditated this.

00:08:53.000 They had like, they had had these like, where they had cleared these areas out so that they had, you know, along the roads and that's where they ambushed us.

00:09:03.000 And for like, for like me, we just, I mean, We didn't get shot at, but I did hear the shots and they did shoot at the front vehicle.

00:09:12.000 And so we just sat there and then we got out and they just arrested us.

00:09:17.000 What was their reasoning?

00:09:18.000 So I got the video right here.

00:09:19.000 What was their reasoning for blocking the road off?

00:09:21.000 I mean, look at this.

00:09:23.000 The road's completely blocked off when the vehicle starts approaching.

00:09:28.000 So here we can see, and then here's, that's Lavoie coming out right there. 1.00

00:09:33.000 That's correct.

00:09:33.000 You can see his hands are in the air.

00:09:34.000 His hands are in the air.

00:09:35.000 To the left, after they'd already shot on the vehicle.

00:09:37.000 That's right.

00:09:37.000 His hands are in there the whole time, and then... Now I can't tell what he's doing.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, he kind of goes down... That's deep snow there.

00:09:45.000 And then they shoot him in the back.

00:09:46.000 So what was their justification for blocking the road off, guns drawn, shooting the vehicle?

00:09:50.000 They did not even have charges until like two weeks of us being in prison or in jail.

00:09:56.000 It took them like weeks, I think less than, you know, I think it was right around 10 days before they actually charged us with something.

00:10:05.000 So all of this was like illegal, completely illegal.

00:10:08.000 Like the dead man's roadblock, Arrests without charges, all of that.

00:10:14.000 And then, and the whole thing.

00:10:16.000 And eventually it took us, for this case, it took us 10 months to finally get to trial.

00:10:21.000 And we beat them on all charges.

00:10:23.000 We were acquitted on every charge by a Portland jury.

00:10:27.000 But they held you for that time?

00:10:28.000 The whole time.

00:10:29.000 And then they didn't let us go after 10 months.

00:10:32.000 Then they shipped us down to Nevada because they charged us with all the charges down there.

00:10:36.000 And I had another, spent another, what would it be?

00:10:40.000 You know, over a year down there fighting those charges.

00:10:43.000 And then you won that too?

00:10:44.000 And we won that one.

00:10:45.000 Wow.

00:10:46.000 That one we actually got the case dismissed with prejudice because of prosecutory misconduct because they were hiding all this evidence. 0.99

00:10:53.000 Holy shit! 0.99

00:10:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:10:54.000 I remember hearing about, you know, infiltration, infighting.

00:10:58.000 There's a lot of crazy stuff happening at the second situation.

00:11:01.000 Can you speak to that a little bit?

00:11:03.000 Well, again, you know, they had this.

00:11:05.000 So another thing that was going on when they shipped us down to Nevada is they put us in solitary confinement and we're, I mean, it was rough because they were, they were trying to break us so we would take a plea deal.

00:11:18.000 So, because they knew in the end they didn't have a case, but they were, they were trying to break us.

00:11:24.000 And they did break a bunch of, not my family, but a bunch of the other people that they arrested.

00:11:29.000 And anyway, we finally get to trial and this is after being in prison for two years and half that time was in solitary confinement.

00:11:39.000 We finally get there and there was like questions that we had that we didn't have evidence of certain things that we knew should be there.

00:11:48.000 And so, when the witnesses got on the stand, the government witnesses, we started questioning them, like, hey, wait a minute, what about the video of the, where's all the information from the parabolical listening device that you guys had on our, because we could see the laser.

00:12:05.000 We did the research.

00:12:06.000 And they like freaked out, like freaked out.

00:12:11.000 And the judge at first said, you're on a fishing expedition, you're just, you know, wasting the court's time.

00:12:16.000 And we knew for sure it was there.

00:12:18.000 So how did you convince the judge?

00:12:20.000 We finally got one of the witnesses who must have not got the memo because she had retired. 0.82

00:12:20.000 We didn't. 0.82

00:12:25.000 So she was out of the system and came back to be a witness for the government.

00:12:30.000 So she must have not got the memo and she spilled the beans. 1.00

00:12:33.000 And once that door was open, then the judge was pissed, because she made her look like a fool. 0.99

00:12:42.000 You asked her about the parabolic listening device? 0.74

00:12:43.000 Yeah, well, my brother did, and my attorneys, because my brother went, he went pro se, and I had attorneys, so together was a really good combination.

00:12:55.000 Wow.

00:12:56.000 And we ended up like completely, that's where, that was the beginning.

00:13:00.000 Then we're like, well, where is the, where are these, where is this evidence?

00:13:03.000 Right.

00:13:04.000 And finally they had to give it to us.

00:13:06.000 And then when they gave it to us, they gave it to us with like 1700 files.

00:13:12.000 And then we're like, well, is this all of it?

00:13:14.000 And then they had to end up coming clean, and there was over 3,800 files.

00:13:20.000 Not documents, files.

00:13:22.000 And most of it was trying to hide that the FBI was involved in pushing all the buttons.

00:13:28.000 Wow.

00:13:29.000 What did the judge say?

00:13:30.000 When the judge said that you were on a fishing expedition, How did the judge react when this retired woman comes out and says, oh yeah, we have this? 0.95

00:13:40.000 So she immediately stopped the trial and scheduled the next day for an evidential hearing that went on for two weeks.

00:13:49.000 Wow.

00:13:49.000 Yeah.

00:13:50.000 Because they basically were like, yeah, we didn't turn over all the evidence.

00:13:52.000 And it just kept going and going. 1.00

00:13:53.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

00:13:55.000 And at that point, you know, we asked for a dismissal and she granted it. 1.00

00:14:00.000 Wow!

00:14:01.000 And she actually, I mean, the words that she used were like, You know, gross prosecutorial misconduct.

00:14:08.000 She railed the FBI.

00:14:11.000 She railed, you know, these things.

00:14:14.000 But, I mean, the whole time, we've been in prison the whole time.

00:14:17.000 Like, in maximum prison, in solitary confinement, I've never once been able to have any physical contact with my wife or children.

00:14:25.000 What was it?

00:14:26.000 Did you sue afterwards?

00:14:28.000 So, we didn't.

00:14:30.000 Why not?

00:14:31.000 So, a lot of people, well, one is, I do not want to spend my entire life in federal court.

00:14:40.000 Yup.

00:14:41.000 I hear that.

00:14:42.000 And I have seen where people do sue and they literally will, because it takes a ton of energy, it takes years and years and years.

00:14:52.000 To finally, uh, in the, in the case that is most prevalent in my mind, they spent almost 20 years, they mortgaged their ranch.

00:15:01.000 They won on a, on a, uh, on a, uh, district level.

00:15:07.000 And then after almost 20 years, it went to the circuit ninth, ninth circuit, and they overturned it.

00:15:12.000 Well, they had mortgaged all of their, their ranch and everything to pay for lawyer fees.

00:15:16.000 They lost everything in the end, even though they had won.

00:15:20.000 And I just, you know, I was like, you know what?

00:15:23.000 I just want to take care of my family.

00:15:25.000 I just want to be left alone.

00:15:27.000 And so, that was my reasoning and why I haven't.

00:15:32.000 Even though, you know, they really hurt us.

00:15:35.000 They really damaged us.

00:15:37.000 What did you mean by the FBI was pushing all the buttons?

00:15:39.000 So, like, for example, the FBI had a headquarters at the, what they called the command center or whatever.

00:15:50.000 There's an incident command center.

00:15:52.000 Um, and they were the ones that were, you know, basically directing this assault and this, this, uh, all the things that were happening at the ranch.

00:16:02.000 and they were directing, you know, like all of the the force side of it like making sure that you know how it was

00:16:12.000 enforced like for example the First Amendment area and you know how they responded to protesters and and all of

00:16:20.000 the security and overall watch was all

00:16:24.000 directed by the FBI and While it was going on at the ranch in 2014

00:16:30.000 We could see like these, you know, these BLM agents and they're wearing their tan uniforms and you could see well,

00:16:37.000 that's a BLM That's a National Park for but there was these guys walking

00:16:40.000 around in civilian

00:16:42.000 And most of them were bearded and they had just ball caps on and they were carrying these weapons and you could tell

00:16:48.000 like these guys were a

00:16:50.000 completely different Monster like they were completely different. They were

00:16:55.000 You know, they were, you can tell the way they held their guns, they were skilled, they were completely different.

00:17:00.000 But we didn't know who they were.

00:17:02.000 We found out years later that it was the FBI HRT team.

00:17:06.000 What's HRT?

00:17:08.000 Well, it's a hoscue rescue team, but yeah, hoscue rescue team, but it's like the elite team for the FBI.

00:17:16.000 Hostage?

00:17:17.000 Hostage rescue team?

00:17:18.000 Did you ever find out that there was agents pretending to be supporters?

00:17:18.000 Yeah.

00:17:22.000 Yeah, but we didn't find that out until the discovery, until later.

00:17:27.000 And were you surprised by that?

00:17:28.000 Can you tell us a little bit about that?

00:17:30.000 No, not really.

00:17:31.000 Although I was pretty naive.

00:17:33.000 This wasn't my world.

00:17:35.000 This was not my world.

00:17:37.000 So I was naive.

00:17:40.000 But spending all that time in federal prison made me where I'm not so naive anymore.

00:17:47.000 It was a maximum security prison?

00:17:50.000 So, uh, part of it was, yeah, they, they had, it was a prison that had both sides of it because ultimately it was a detention center.

00:17:56.000 So, um, which is, you know, actually even worse than the prisons.

00:18:01.000 Cause you don't, you don't go out, you hardly go outside.

00:18:04.000 You don't have any visits with your families.

00:18:06.000 You don't, you know, uh, I mean, it's, it's crazy, even though you're not convicted, uh, you, you are, it's, it's, it's really a hard, terrible situation.

00:18:16.000 Were you indoors the entire time?

00:18:18.000 Yeah.

00:18:19.000 I mean, they had like these, in some places, not all of them, but they had like these little chicken cages that you could go out in.

00:18:27.000 Literally, it was like a completely, you know, and it was just not much bigger than this room.

00:18:32.000 And that was about all the outside experience you would get.

00:18:35.000 How often would they let you out?

00:18:38.000 Well, it depends on where you're at.

00:18:39.000 Like in solitary confinement, I spent months and months and months and never saw the sunlight.

00:18:43.000 Did you have a window?

00:18:44.000 No sunlight?

00:18:45.000 So they had, in most of the solitary confinement, they have a window, but it's like completely glazed over like they painted it.

00:18:53.000 So you can see a little bit of illumination of the lights, but I spent months and months and months in solitary confinement.

00:19:00.000 What was it like psychologically?

00:19:02.000 It's a constant battle, like a constant battle not to like just lose it, you know.

00:19:11.000 And you have to like, like I found like I had to like forgive those that were doing it to me,

00:19:20.000 like almost immediately, because they would do terrible things and then throw you in there,

00:19:24.000 right? And like what?

00:19:26.000 Like what? 0.94

00:19:27.000 Well, like, you know, beat you down and strip you down.

00:19:30.000 For no reason?

00:19:31.000 And then throw you in to Nate. 0.98

00:19:32.000 Well, I mean, they always had their justification, but really, you know, like, you know, there would be, you know, stupid things like you had what they called contraband or something like that, you know, like salt and pepper that happened to me. 0.94

00:19:46.000 I had salt one time and they did that to me. 0.98

00:19:53.000 They literally had me down, there's five of them, they're stripping me naked.

00:20:00.000 And one guy literally whispers in my ear that he's sorry he's doing this to me.

00:20:06.000 Why was he doing it?

00:20:07.000 Well, it's their job, you know, it's their job.

00:20:10.000 That's why I have a love-hate relationship with law enforcement. 1.00

00:20:12.000 They're fucking Nazis. 1.00

00:20:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:13.000 So you found forgiveness because it was driving you insane? 1.00

00:20:16.000 You have to.

00:20:17.000 Because otherwise, this rage in you will just eat you alive in there because you are alone all day long, all night long, you know?

00:20:27.000 I mean, for days and months.

00:20:29.000 And so it will eat you alive.

00:20:31.000 So you have to...

00:20:34.000 You have to kind of be, you know, right.

00:20:37.000 You have to be right with God.

00:20:39.000 You have to do your best to, you know, to keep yourself sane.

00:20:43.000 I did a ton of reading.

00:20:45.000 I was reading books, like, every day.

00:20:46.000 Like, I'd read a book, like, in a day, just to try to buy time.

00:20:51.000 And then also, for whatever reason, I don't really know why, but I turned nocturnal.

00:20:58.000 Like, I don't know why, but I would be up during the night, and then I would sleep during the day.

00:21:04.000 And the only time I got up was to eat during the day, because you have to – they just shove food through like a food port, a little hole in the door.

00:21:11.000 You lose a lot of weight.

00:21:13.000 Yeah, I lost like – so I came out of there.

00:21:16.000 You know, I'm overweight now, but I mean, I am so, but I came out of there, uh, like I, I weigh two, two 3230 right between in two thirties right now.

00:21:25.000 I came out of there 170 in the 175 range.

00:21:27.000 I'm six foot.

00:21:30.000 Wow.

00:21:31.000 What's the first thing you did when you got out?

00:21:34.000 Hug your wife? 0.82

00:21:35.000 Yeah, my wife and children.

00:21:37.000 I mean, it was hard not having that, you know, not having to be able to, like, it's crazy, but not be able to just love them and know that they needed it, you know, just to hold them.

00:21:47.000 Wow.

00:21:48.000 What's the first thing you ate?

00:21:50.000 So, the first thing I ate was, I actually think I had a steak.

00:21:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:54.000 How was it cooked?

00:21:56.000 What cut?

00:21:57.000 I don't remember, but I love ribeye.

00:21:59.000 Ribeye, medium rare?

00:22:00.000 Medium rare ribeye.

00:22:02.000 That's really good for you.

00:22:04.000 There you go, man.

00:22:05.000 What did you eat in there?

00:22:07.000 Oh, well, the Oregon prison was terrible.

00:22:13.000 like they had this what they called gravy and it was literally just oil and uh it was like oil with like i think it had some pepper in it but very hardly no salt oil it was like this oil yeah i think it might they might have thrown like a boy on in in oil yeah and probably mix some water because it did have the little bubbles and that's what they called their their gravy and then they would serve it on like a Dry piece of bread or something.

00:22:39.000 It was really disgusting.

00:22:42.000 Nevada was a little better, but they had this bone meal that actually, because the prisoners that worked in the kitchen said that it says, not for human consumption.

00:22:55.000 Bone meal?

00:22:56.000 Ground up bones.

00:22:58.000 It's just ground up like bones and fat and everything and they would use it for all you know like they would make sloppy joes out of it.

00:23:05.000 Was it disgusting?

00:23:06.000 It was disgusting but you had to eat it like you had to you had to have the nutrients you know.

00:23:13.000 Man.

00:23:13.000 Yeah.

00:23:13.000 How was it with books though?

00:23:14.000 You mentioned you read a book every day.

00:23:15.000 Did they like bring a book cart or something?

00:23:17.000 So, there were book carts, but not in solitary confinement.

00:23:20.000 So, my wife, they had a list of approved books.

00:23:24.000 And when I wasn't on like the, you know, the highest solitary confinement restrictions, then she could mail in books to me.

00:23:32.000 Why were you in solitary?

00:23:35.000 So I was in solitary.

00:23:36.000 The main reason I was in solitary is because it got to a point where they were strip searching us so often.

00:23:42.000 I just finally said, no, I'm not.

00:23:44.000 You're not going to do it anymore.

00:23:45.000 Wow.

00:23:45.000 And the interesting thing is, is I actually won that battle.

00:23:51.000 Myself and the other co-defendants, including my brothers, because I had Four brothers and my dad was in there as well with us.

00:24:00.000 So we actually were the only people in the Bureau of Prison Systems that they couldn't strip church. 0.57

00:24:09.000 But it took me almost a year of solitary confinement to win that battle.

00:24:16.000 And what happened was, I didn't win it conventionally, but what happened is I wouldn't allow them to strip, so the prison stopped transporting me to my own trial.

00:24:25.000 Wow.

00:24:26.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 And the judge… Got mad, huh?

00:24:28.000 Well, the judge was like, he has to be here, you know, we'd have to declare a mistrial if he's not here.

00:24:33.000 And they're saying, well, he's not, you know, he is not… Allowing us to transport him.

00:24:39.000 That's what they kept saying.

00:24:40.000 Wow.

00:24:40.000 Well, uh, anyway, to have come to find out what happened is she goes, well, I want to talk to him on the phone.

00:24:46.000 Well, as soon as I got her on the phone, I, I actually did a verbal motion, uh, to order the Southern Nevada detention center to transport me to my own trial.

00:24:56.000 And she was like, what?

00:25:00.000 45 minutes, like breaking this down and realize that it was them making the decision.

00:25:04.000 I was just not going to comply to a strip search.

00:25:06.000 Yeah.

00:25:06.000 And I was like, I'm not going to stop you from strip searching me.

00:25:09.000 I can't do that.

00:25:10.000 I'm just one person, but I'm not going to do it myself.

00:25:13.000 Yeah.

00:25:13.000 See, that's what they wanted.

00:25:14.000 They wanted me to comply.

00:25:16.000 They wanted you to say there are five lights.

00:25:18.000 And I wasn't, yeah, you're right.

00:25:20.000 You know that thing from Star Trek?

00:25:21.000 What is it?

00:25:22.000 One of the enemy generals is torturing Captain Picard, and there's four lights, and he says, how many lights are there?

00:25:29.000 And when he says four, he shocks him, and he says, you're mistaken, there are five.

00:25:32.000 Now, how many lights are there?

00:25:33.000 And he says, there's four, and then he shocks him.

00:25:35.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:25:36.000 And he keeps doing it.

00:25:36.000 1984.

00:25:36.000 That's exactly right, yeah.

00:25:38.000 What was the best book you read in there?

00:25:40.000 So the best book I read in there was, uh, maybe like Atlas Shrugged.

00:25:46.000 Oh, okay.

00:25:47.000 Fiction and nonfiction where you're reading primarily fiction.

00:25:50.000 Well, real quick, I just kind of want to go too far.

00:25:52.000 The judge in this, in this instance, was this the, this was Oregon or Nevada?

00:25:55.000 This was in Nevada.

00:25:56.000 So was it ultimately the judge that dismissed it?

00:25:58.000 Yeah, she dismissed it.

00:25:59.000 So I, we, we beat them, you know, with a, with a jury, uh, acquitted on all charges in Oregon.

00:26:06.000 And then we went down to Nevada, and she ultimately dismissed it.

00:26:10.000 And then, of course, the U.S.

00:26:12.000 attorneys appealed the decision.

00:26:14.000 It went to the Ninth Circuit, and the Ninth Circuit unanimously agreed that the case was egregious, and they dismissed it without prejudice.

00:26:21.000 What was the case to begin with?

00:26:23.000 Real quick, that female judge, I have to imagine, with what you've already told me, and there's probably a lot more, So they're lying to her about not transporting you. 1.00

00:26:32.000 Then she finds out they're withholding evidence.

00:26:33.000 I mean, she had to have been pissed. 0.93

00:26:35.000 Yeah, she was pissed.

00:26:36.000 And it's not like she was our friend.

00:26:38.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:26:39.000 But she was put in a position where this whole thing was based on lies.

00:26:44.000 And the ship was sinking.

00:26:46.000 And she was like, I'm not going down with this ship.

00:26:48.000 I'm not going down with this ship.

00:26:50.000 And so she did the right thing.

00:26:52.000 And finally, If I was a judge, I would have immediately made a criminal referral for all of the people involved on the other side.

00:27:08.000 Look, I've dealt with courts, and I was saying this before the show earlier, judges are just people.

00:27:14.000 They may know the law, which is book learning, and procedure and policy on specifics of what is and isn't a crime.

00:27:21.000 But when it comes to arguing, people really need to understand.

00:27:24.000 When I was little, I thought lawyers were people who knew the law and would go before a judge and be like, but your honor, if we look at code 13C, and he goes, really?

00:27:33.000 13C is a good point.

00:27:35.000 And the other lawyer will be like, ah, but CF.

00:27:37.000 And in reality, you go to court, you learn, it's nothing like that.

00:27:41.000 It's people just arguing with each other and the judge gets the final say.

00:27:44.000 And so I'm really annoyed when you see this all the time, they don't want any more.

00:27:50.000 The judges, the courts, they're just like...

00:27:53.000 So I was falsely arrested, me and my brother, back in 2006.

00:27:57.000 We were at a mall.

00:28:00.000 Apparently some people, workers of shoplifting, called security.

00:28:04.000 Security sees me and my brother and assumes we must be the people, so what do they do? 0.96

00:28:07.000 They immediately start beating the shit out of my brother.

00:28:09.000 I call 911, they grab my phone, turn it off, grab me, arrest us, realize we're the wrong people, lie to the cops.

00:28:16.000 When finally everything broke down, we refused to, so ultimately it comes after several months of court, we get offered by the ADA, me getting, my brother was gonna get six months for assault, and they wanted to give me 30 days or something max for disorderly.

00:28:34.000 So we agreed, okay, my brother will plead guilty so that he avoids this and gets community service at his own discretion, it's a slap on the wrist, I'll go to trial because I'm risking a month.

00:28:44.000 When we said that to our lawyer and he went up and told the judge and the ADA, the ADA screamed. 0.99

00:28:49.000 It was this woman, she's like, what?

00:28:51.000 And then my brother got pissed.

00:28:53.000 And so then the lawyer, our lawyer comes back over and my brother goes, why does she hate us?

00:28:58.000 And he goes, they're mad that you're going to trial on a slap on the wrist charge. 0.99

00:29:02.000 And he goes, fucker, I'm going to trial now too. 0.99

00:29:04.000 And he went, okay. 1.00

00:29:06.000 And then he went up and then we hear her scream again and the judge yells at her.

00:29:11.000 Our lawyer comes back over and he said, the case is being dismissed.

00:29:15.000 The judge wants to see you in chambers.

00:29:16.000 And we were like, what?

00:29:18.000 And he goes, when I told the judge that you are now going to trial, he said, why are they both going to trial on a slap on the wrist charge?

00:29:27.000 They're getting community service at their own discretion.

00:29:30.000 He said, your honor, because they're innocent.

00:29:33.000 And he went, oh.

00:29:36.000 Oh, case dismissed, but I want to see you in chambers.

00:29:39.000 Now, here's the point of the story.

00:29:40.000 When we went back into his chambers, he says, there's not getting many more lawsuits on this, right?

00:29:44.000 It's all done and we can go home?

00:29:46.000 Say yes.

00:29:48.000 Okay, you can leave.

00:29:50.000 So basically what the point was, these guys did wrong by us, but the court doesn't want to deal with it.

00:29:56.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:29:57.000 I mean, we should see these judges dismiss A lot more cases. 1.00

00:30:03.000 And criminally charged these motherfuckers. 0.99

00:30:05.000 I saw a cop in New York lie under oath about why they arrested a guy, a photographer in New York, 0.99

00:30:12.000 and then my footage exonerated the guy.

00:30:14.000 They claimed the guy was blocking the street.

00:30:16.000 Then on the stand they said, here's a video shot by Tim Pool of the guy standing on the

00:30:20.000 sidewalk minding his own business.

00:30:21.000 You lied under oath.

00:30:23.000 So did they dismiss the case though?

00:30:26.000 Because normally what they do is they say, okay, well, they'll find something else, like an infraction or, you know, just something minor.

00:30:33.000 And they'll say, well, we'll give you this if you take this plea deal.

00:30:38.000 And basically you get to go, you get to put your life back together, but you're still guilty.

00:30:42.000 Right.

00:30:42.000 So, they dismissed the charges against this guy, and there was no penalty for the cop who lied under oath.

00:30:47.000 Yeah.

00:30:48.000 Well, that's New York.

00:30:49.000 These prosecutors, they didn't get nothing.

00:30:51.000 They didn't get a slap on the hand.

00:30:55.000 They didn't lose their job.

00:30:57.000 Nothing.

00:30:58.000 They just keep on going.

00:30:59.000 And, you know, it made them look bad.

00:31:02.000 And, of course, in the inner circles, they You know, they, I'm sure look terrible and, and all of that, but as far as, you know, accountability, nothing, nothing.

00:31:12.000 Yup.

00:31:13.000 I got it.

00:31:14.000 Oh, I got to ask, what is, what were these charges even to begin with?

00:31:17.000 So the charges in Nevada were all about like assault on a federal officer, you know, this video, no, this was the Oregon thing, you know, um, salt on a federal officers.

00:31:28.000 I mean, we, we didn't even, I didn't even have a gun.

00:31:31.000 I mean, I had no intention on. 0.99

00:31:34.000 And it was just garbage. 1.00

00:31:36.000 It was flat out garbage. 1.00

00:31:37.000 Was it from one altercation that happened? 0.98

00:31:40.000 It was basically because of the standoff on Saturday, if you will, like going and confronting them and saying, look, we're not okay with this.

00:31:49.000 And my mindset was very clear. 0.97

00:31:51.000 Look, You can kill me if you want. 0.99

00:31:53.000 I'm not leaving. 1.00

00:31:54.000 Like, I'm not leaving. 1.00

00:31:56.000 You can kill me if you want.

00:31:57.000 But then there was people, which I had no idea they were up there, but there was people with, with weapons on the bridge, on the bridge.

00:32:05.000 And I think they ended up probably saving our lives.

00:32:07.000 But, but to me, I was like, like, it wasn't about violence.

00:32:12.000 It wasn't about, you know, uh, guns.

00:32:14.000 It wasn't nothing.

00:32:15.000 It was about them coming in and doing this terrible thing to my family.

00:32:19.000 And I just wasn't going to stand for it any longer.

00:32:22.000 Yeah.

00:32:22.000 Oh.

00:32:23.000 And see, I was down in the wash down there.

00:32:25.000 So now this, to be honest with, this was after it all happened.

00:32:29.000 And anyway, I won't even get into the details, but they couldn't even prove that we ever pointed guns at them.

00:32:37.000 Oh, okay.

00:32:37.000 So the idea that someone had pointed a weapon made you an accomplice?

00:32:40.000 Yeah.

00:32:41.000 It was a conspiracy.

00:32:42.000 They said it was a conspiracy that we had conspired and we had planned all this and all of that.

00:32:47.000 And it was just all a lie.

00:32:48.000 And they knew it was a lie.

00:32:50.000 So you were unarmed protesters?

00:32:52.000 Yeah.

00:32:53.000 That's crazy.

00:32:54.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 And these people are on the bridge.

00:32:57.000 And then there was some people in the back that never pointed their guns that had some, but you know, there was this big narrative about how, like, you know, there was this huge standoff and we were threatened and threatening them, which they absolutely deserve to be threatened, right?

00:33:12.000 From what they were doing.

00:33:13.000 I mean, they were, You know, body-slamming women. 1.00

00:33:17.000 Well, threaten is probably the wrong word then.

00:33:20.000 I mean, they're actively attacking people.

00:33:21.000 It was a restrained defense, yeah.

00:33:24.000 The cops were body-slamming women or body-slammed a woman? 0.99

00:33:27.000 They body-slammed a woman, yeah.

00:33:28.000 If you go to, you know, say BLM body-slams, you know, Bundy Ranch, something like that.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, they absolutely did.

00:33:38.000 They sicked dogs on a pregnant woman. 0.99

00:33:41.000 They tased me multiple times.

00:33:45.000 Just while you were sitting there?

00:33:46.000 No, this was like protesting.

00:33:49.000 This was a few days before the whole final because they just kept abusing people all week and finally people were like, we're done with this.

00:33:57.000 We're going to go down and confront them.

00:33:59.000 And ultimately gave them an ultimatum to leave and they left.

00:34:04.000 They left within an hour in 107 vehicles because they were afraid of the people.

00:34:08.000 And that's why I say our rights are not maintained in the courts or the ballot box.

00:34:12.000 They're maintained by us uniting together, you know, and saying, look, you're not going to do this to us.

00:34:19.000 That's the First Amendment.

00:34:20.000 Yeah.

00:34:20.000 And what did Dave Chappelle say?

00:34:22.000 Second is just there in case the first one doesn't work out.

00:34:24.000 That's right.

00:34:24.000 I love that.

00:34:25.000 All right, man.

00:34:25.000 Do you have any final thoughts before we wrap up?

00:34:27.000 I don't know.

00:34:28.000 Is there anything else you wanted to add?

00:34:29.000 No.

00:34:29.000 Yeah, it was good talking about it.

00:34:31.000 Right on.

00:34:31.000 It's like therapeutic.

00:34:33.000 Oh, man.

00:34:34.000 It's crazy to hear.

00:34:35.000 Wow. 1.00

00:34:35.000 The bullshit. 1.00

00:34:36.000 And I got the New York Times story right here. 1.00

00:34:37.000 The judge dismissed the charges.

00:34:39.000 They were so grave in the indictment that would be dismissed.

00:34:42.000 The withholding of evidence. 1.00

00:34:44.000 Holy shit, man. 0.99

00:34:45.000 Well, Eamon, thanks for hanging out. 0.99

00:34:46.000 It's been a blast.

00:34:47.000 It has been.

00:34:48.000 And good luck in a couple weeks.

00:34:51.000 Thank you.

00:34:51.000 We'll see.

00:34:51.000 But we'll have you back on, you know, whenever.

00:34:53.000 That'd be fun.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, it'd be great.

00:34:54.000 If we could get down again.

00:34:55.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:34:56.000 And for everybody who's a member, seriously, thank you all so much for making this possible.

00:35:00.000 And we'll see you all next time.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 23, 2022

Sunday Uncensored: Ammon Bundy Members Only Podcast

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