Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - February 27, 2022


Sunday Uncensored: Ian Smith Member Podcast: Viral tweet Alleges Russia Blowing Up US BioLabs In Ukraine


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In an attempt to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine, propagandists claim the attack was aimed at secret U.S. bioweapon labs in Ukraine. Does this go along with what we ve been saying all along? Or is this part of a bigger conspiracy?

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored.
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00:00:23.000 We have this article from M-E-A-W-W, I guess it's pronounced MIAW or whatever.
00:00:28.000 I do make fun of them every so often.
00:00:30.000 But they have this story.
00:00:32.000 Is Putin targeting U.S.
00:00:34.000 bioweapon labs in Ukraine? 0.55
00:00:36.000 The truth behind internet theory.
00:00:39.000 The labs in question are part of a network of facilities linked to the Biological Threat Reduction Program, a U.S.
00:00:44.000 government-funded effort.
00:00:45.000 The first thing I will say, we have this image, the first thing is, From UA.USEmbassy.gov.
00:00:53.000 U.S.
00:00:53.000 Embassy in Ukraine.
00:00:55.000 There are biolabs in Ukraine.
00:00:58.000 Laboratory construction.
00:00:59.000 You know, biosafety level 2.
00:01:00.000 The level 2 labs.
00:01:01.000 Level 4 is the most secure.
00:01:03.000 Level 2 is not as secure.
00:01:04.000 And they talk about why they're there and what they do.
00:01:06.000 So they are real.
00:01:08.000 A Twitter thread has gone viral after making eyebrow-raising claims the Russian government is taking down American biolabs in Ukraine under the pretext of a special military operation.
00:01:18.000 The claims surfaced shortly after Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping met recently and issued a joint statement slamming U.S.
00:01:27.000 bioweapons activities.
00:01:29.000 So this guy who posted this has been banned from Twitter.
00:01:32.000 Snopes is saying it's false. 1.00
00:01:33.000 Fuck Snopes, they're probably full of shit. 1.00
00:01:35.000 I'm not saying the story is true, I'm just saying Snopes lies about basically everything. 1.00
00:01:40.000 Holy shit, I think I may be on to something about Ukraine, a Twitter user who goes by the handle at WarClandestine posted. 0.95
00:01:47.000 Zelensky and the Russians are firing at military installations. 0.99
00:01:50.000 How broad is that term?
00:01:52.000 I am seeing speculation that it could include U.S.
00:01:55.000 installed biolabs.
00:01:57.000 At first, I was like, no way.
00:01:58.000 Then I started digging.
00:02:00.000 He was going to say, the image has been deleted, but we have this here.
00:02:03.000 Let me see if I can pull this up.
00:02:06.000 Maybe find a better one because you can't really see too much here.
00:02:09.000 U.S.
00:02:09.000 biolabs in Ukraine.
00:02:11.000 And people are saying that there are attacks that coincide with these locations.
00:02:17.000 I'm just gonna say this right away.
00:02:19.000 These locations, for one, they're all over the country, from east to west, north and south, and they're centered around big cities.
00:02:25.000 That's not indicative of anything.
00:02:27.000 Yeah, I mean, they do line up with, if you bring up the maps of areas that have been struck, some of them overlap, but Like you said, we don't know anything about these cities in terms of what else is there.
00:02:46.000 So this is U.S.
00:02:48.000 Biolabs in Ukraine. 0.99
00:02:50.000 I don't know if these are actually where the Biolabs are to begin with.
00:02:52.000 I know they are there.
00:02:53.000 The embassy talks about their creation.
00:02:55.000 But is it at all surprising that Biolabs would be in big cities?
00:03:01.000 Not really.
00:03:02.000 That's where the people are, to work.
00:03:04.000 Right.
00:03:05.000 What's the difference between purple and red?
00:03:06.000 Do you have any idea?
00:03:07.000 It doesn't say.
00:03:08.000 Yeah, just, I don't know.
00:03:10.000 What does it say?
00:03:11.000 Oblast Center Capital.
00:03:12.000 It doesn't say what these dots are.
00:03:13.000 I think someone took a map and then just put the dots on it.
00:03:16.000 Yeah.
00:03:17.000 Snopes says it's not true.
00:03:18.000 Let's see what Snopes has to say.
00:03:20.000 In an attempt to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine, propagandists claim the attack was focused on secret U.S.
00:03:26.000 biolabs.
00:03:26.000 Okay, that's it.
00:03:27.000 Nope. 1.00
00:03:28.000 Snopes is full of shit. 1.00
00:03:29.000 Fuck you, Snopes! 1.00
00:03:30.000 You wanna play some fucking bullshit framing game? 1.00
00:03:34.000 I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're lying. 1.00
00:03:35.000 In an attempt to justify Russia's invasion? 0.83
00:03:38.000 This goes right along with jank right here, right?
00:03:41.000 Does this not go along with what we were saying earlier where, you know, just because we're looking at potential real information, if it's any way in favor of Russia, if it makes any sense, because it's obvious that The blue check mafia of Twitter has signed on for war with Russia through Ukraine, so anything that's going to even justify, they're going to write it right off.
00:04:10.000 And again, we're not drawing any conclusions from it, but they automatically frame it as, they might as well say right-wing propaganda because they're talking about propaganda.
00:04:20.000 Look, when you look at these maps, you can see the attacks don't even line up with where they put the biolabs. 1.00
00:04:25.000 So right away, I'm like, yeah, I don't know about that, man. 0.97
00:04:28.000 Give me some fucking evidence. 0.99
00:04:29.000 But Snopes is just such TRASH! 1.00
00:04:33.000 Yeah.
00:04:34.000 Yeah, it wasn't an attempt to justify the invasion, so is that what's false?
00:04:37.000 No, we're looking for understanding as to why.
00:04:39.000 Right.
00:04:40.000 What is Putin's motivation?
00:04:42.000 And he might not have went in there to destroy the labs.
00:04:44.000 He might have just destroyed the labs when he was in there because they were there.
00:04:47.000 If you're already there, I mean...
00:04:48.000 But he's going to get a land bridge.
00:04:50.000 He's going there to conquer the country is why he's going in, I think.
00:04:53.000 I think time will tell what exactly he's doing, but I highly doubt that he's going to throw
00:05:01.000 in some specialized attacks like that and then back off. 0.87
00:05:05.000 We're going to see him come through this entire country.
00:05:08.000 On the East Coast, there was that biolab.
00:05:09.000 It'd be like if the Russians had a biolab in Tijuana. 0.61
00:05:13.000 Could you imagine how incensed the American citizens would be?
00:05:18.000 It's true.
00:05:19.000 So what Snopes is arguing is not really biolabs.
00:05:22.000 I'm like, uh, wait, wait.
00:05:23.000 Oh, there's always the caveat.
00:05:25.000 What is this?
00:05:25.000 It talks about, um, where was the biolab level two?
00:05:29.000 BTRP has upgraded many laboratories for the Ministry of Health and Food and Safety and Consumer Protection Services in Ukraine, including biosafety level two. 0.99
00:05:36.000 What the fuck? 0.97
00:05:37.000 Constructed two laboratories for the latter, one in Kiev and one in Odessa. 1.00
00:05:41.000 They're fucking there! 0.99
00:05:42.000 They are there. 1.00
00:05:43.000 Snopes are such absolute garbage. 1.00
00:05:47.000 Here's what they write. 1.00
00:05:48.000 Is COVID-19 a bioweapon? 1.00
00:05:49.000 Fuck you, Snopes. 1.00
00:05:51.000 Here you go. 1.00
00:05:52.000 Which Ian wants to read this headline?
00:05:54.000 I'll go ahead.
00:05:55.000 I got the last one.
00:05:56.000 More evidence COVID was tinkered with in a lab.
00:05:59.000 Now scientists find virus contains tiny chunk of DNA that matches sequence patented by Moderna three years before pandemic began.
00:06:07.000 What?
00:06:08.000 They're saying it's like a 1 in, what is it, 1 in 3 trillion?
00:06:11.000 They claim there's a 1 in 3 trillion chance Moderna's sequence randomly appeared through natural... Okay, so there's a 299 trillion times... So you're saying there's a chance.
00:06:21.000 So what's likely is that they inserted a piece of proprietary DNA into this virus.
00:06:26.000 That's what they're saying.
00:06:26.000 Okay, according to the number, the likelihood that it happened naturally, was it 1 in 3 trillion?
00:06:31.000 Is that it?
00:06:32.000 1 in 3 trillion chance that it actually happened.
00:06:35.000 And again, I like to conceptualize these numbers because we talk about trillions and billions these days like it's just, you know, like we can wrap our head around them.
00:06:44.000 1 trillion, right?
00:06:45.000 Just to conceptualize how big that number is.
00:06:48.000 If you were to count 1, 2, every second, do you have any idea how long it would take you to get to a trillion?
00:06:54.000 32,000 years.
00:06:55.000 So add it to 96,000 years.
00:06:55.000 32,000 years. It's like 33 or something like that 33. So that is an extremely so so add it to
00:07:03.000 96,000 years right so one second out of 96,000 years is the likelihood that that was created
00:07:14.000 Okay.
00:07:14.000 So that's a yes.
00:07:14.000 That's a yes that it was created.
00:07:16.000 So that's a yes.
00:07:17.000 That's a yes that it was created.
00:07:20.000 Eleven days to count to one million?
00:07:22.000 It'll take you 11 days to count to one million, and it'll take you 31 years, 251 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 40
00:07:28.000 seconds to count to one billion.
00:07:30.000 And then look at the jump between the billion and the trillion.
00:07:33.000 It's like these numbers are extremely hard to conceptualize.
00:07:35.000 So when you read that, and it says 31,709 years, wow, I was close.
00:07:37.000 Yeah, 31,000.
00:07:37.000 years. 31,709 years. Wow. I was close. Yeah. 31,000. So they're saying that once the likelihood
00:07:45.000 of this being naturally occurring is choosing one second out of 93,000 years. It's not likely.
00:07:54.000 That's essentially admitting that it was created.
00:07:58.000 Basically, they're saying they found proprietary DNA from Moderna in this thing.
00:08:03.000 Is this the narrative they're trying to put forward that Vladimir Putin is fighting the World Economic Forum?
00:08:13.000 is coming of that post.
00:08:15.000 I don't know if that was the author's original intention, but I think that's what it's getting picked up on the internet as is Vladimir Putin is fighting the deep state.
00:08:23.000 He's fighting the globalists.
00:08:25.000 You know, he's in there doing specialized strikes on on bio labs.
00:08:30.000 And I don't know if I subscribe to that, but if I was Vladimir Putin and there was bio labs in Ukraine and I was going into Ukraine anyway, I think I would destroy them rather than take them. 0.98
00:08:44.000 Yeah.
00:08:46.000 Op India's running the same thing.
00:08:48.000 A bunch of outlets took this Twitter thread and they're just running with it.
00:08:50.000 I think that's deeply irresponsible.
00:08:51.000 Yeah.
00:08:52.000 It is.
00:08:53.000 That's not real news.
00:08:55.000 Yeah, like the labs are there.
00:08:58.000 I think it's interesting.
00:08:59.000 But we don't know what what's created there.
00:09:01.000 We don't know.
00:09:01.000 We don't know anything about it.
00:09:02.000 I mean, it was saying it was like food protection and consumer goods and stuff.
00:09:05.000 So for all we know, it's like they're just bacterial excrement.
00:09:09.000 Yeah, probably making sure shampoos don't, you know, get in your eyes. 0.51
00:09:13.000 So level two biosafety is not the craziest.
00:09:14.000 Level four is when they're doing crazy viruses and stuff.
00:09:16.000 You have four layers to get in to make sure the viruses can't get out, you know.
00:09:20.000 And this is the type of stuff that it undermines the legitimacy of people trying to understand the situation, because whoever puts that out and runs with it on the right makes people who are trying to understand the situation look silly. 1.00
00:09:37.000 And then on the left, they just use that as an excuse to be like, oh, these people are stupid. 1.00
00:09:43.000 They're crazy. 1.00
00:09:44.000 They're Putin. 1.00
00:09:46.000 Read that one.
00:09:48.000 Well, Vladimir Putin's advisor says U.S.
00:09:50.000 is developing biological weapons near Russia.
00:09:53.000 Interesting.
00:09:54.000 And according to the map, that is confirmed.
00:09:57.000 Well, no, we don't.
00:09:58.000 Was it not a bioweapon lab on the far right side of the map?
00:10:00.000 We don't know what they're doing there.
00:10:02.000 To say it's confirmed, no, we don't.
00:10:03.000 Oh, wait, what is this?
00:10:04.000 Bioweapon?
00:10:04.000 This is biological weapons.
00:10:07.000 So they might be making non-weapons.
00:10:09.000 We don't know what they're doing in those biolabs. 1.00
00:10:11.000 But Russia is accusing the U.S.
00:10:12.000 of basically doing that.
00:10:14.000 Who do you believe?
00:10:16.000 I don't know. 1.00
00:10:17.000 I think fucking COVID was built in the lab. 0.99
00:10:19.000 So I tend to believe that the U.S. 0.99
00:10:20.000 is building bioweapons all over Earth right now, as far away from their soil as possible. 0.82
00:10:26.000 Well, yeah, they are DOD funded labs, from what I understand.
00:10:30.000 This is interesting.
00:10:31.000 It's an interesting thing to look at, but we don't have even a little bit of information to start making broad assumptions in either direction, I think, on something like this.
00:10:42.000 I got to say, the fact that Twitter banned the account It's indicative of something.
00:10:49.000 An indicator that something else is there and they kind of want that discussion to stop immediately.
00:10:54.000 Yep.
00:10:55.000 Hunter Biden's laptop.
00:10:56.000 Very interesting.
00:10:57.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:10:57.000 That's the one thing that would sort of concern me is that if it was so stupid, you know, I'm a big believer in the idea that good ideas will prevail over stupid ideas if you let free dialogue happen. 0.98
00:11:11.000 Interesting, man. 0.99
00:11:12.000 That's my experience.
00:11:13.000 Russia claims U.S.
00:11:14.000 is running secret bioweapons lab in Georgia.
00:11:16.000 For sure they are.
00:11:17.000 That's the AP reporting that.
00:11:19.000 I don't know for sure, but I am not surprised.
00:11:21.000 Dude, bioweapons have a future.
00:11:22.000 And it's Peter Daszak.
00:11:24.000 It's Peter Daszak who's being accused.
00:11:25.000 If you wanted to invade and conquer the United States, you can't do it with weapons.
00:11:29.000 You can't do it with conventional weapons, because they're all entrenched.
00:11:32.000 You've got to do it with disease and bioweaponry.
00:11:34.000 That's why they're working on this stuff.
00:11:36.000 That's how you root out an entrenched foe.
00:11:38.000 That's the worst, most unethical way to do it.
00:11:41.000 Without annihilating the infrastructure.
00:11:44.000 You can take an entire city without blowing up a building if you have the right weapon.
00:11:49.000 If you have the right psychological warfare. 1.00
00:11:51.000 Man, this is crazy shit. 1.00
00:11:53.000 Who do you trust? 1.00
00:11:55.000 Is this pro-Russia propaganda? 1.00
00:11:57.000 Is it all bullshit? 1.00
00:11:58.000 Might be. 0.99
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00:13:14.000 Maybe. 0.60
00:13:18.000 What if the account who posted this was just a Russian troll?
00:13:21.000 And they know that I'm thinking because of the Wuhan thing that I'm quick to believe that America's... Somebody on the left could have posted this just to make it absurd.
00:13:28.000 I mean anybody.
00:13:29.000 That's the problem with squashing the discussion like that is that we'll never know where this information came from or who posted it.
00:13:36.000 It's just dead in the water and then all that's left is speculation.
00:13:40.000 Stuff like this should be left open.
00:13:43.000 So that people can research into it further, not so that it automatically becomes either A, fact-checked or B, you know, a right-wing talking point.
00:13:51.000 I don't think we know.
00:13:52.000 I don't think we have the truth on anything that's going on right now.
00:13:55.000 The fog of war is heavy.
00:13:57.000 Why would we?
00:13:58.000 I mean the mainstream media is only showing us Applebee, 5 for 5 deals, so what would we know really about the situation as citizens?
00:14:06.000 Who owns the trilateral commission?
00:14:09.000 I don't know much about this.
00:14:10.000 I will say there's a light at the end of the tunnel for people on the right, I suppose, If hot war actually breaks out, escalates beyond Ukraine and we get to like an actual U.S. 0.94
00:14:22.000 involvement, feminism, gone. 1.00
00:14:24.000 I know.
00:14:25.000 Just gone.
00:14:26.000 Magical.
00:14:27.000 I bet your vaccine mandates will be gone too.
00:14:30.000 Oh yeah, there's a meme where it's like women in World War III and it's a picture of a woman in the 1950s washing the dishes.
00:14:36.000 That's right.
00:14:39.000 They will immediately be like, well, you know, we should be in the home as soon as it happens.
00:14:45.000 Poof. 0.99
00:14:46.000 Yeah, I think we are fucked though. 1.00
00:14:47.000 Because come on, you know, these diversity department, the US diversity army is not going to be able to handle the fucking Russians. 1.00
00:14:57.000 No. 0.99
00:14:59.000 And again, this is alarming stuff when you're talking about the safety of a nation.
00:15:03.000 I mean, we've dumbed down all of our most powerful deterrents to keep people away.
00:15:10.000 And we've turned upside down our priorities.
00:15:17.000 You can bring whatever you want to culture.
00:15:19.000 You know, if you want to push gender education, you know, women in the workforce, whatever it is that you want to do to the culture, that's fine.
00:15:29.000 But when you're infiltrating the military with this kind of stuff, it gets a little concerning because the military's only objective is to fight and to fight viciously.
00:15:42.000 Outside of that.
00:15:43.000 No, now it's about having two moms. 0.67
00:15:45.000 Yeah, that's extremely concerning and that should be something that every American's like, wait, wait, wait a
00:15:51.000 second.
00:15:52.000 You know, you can bring that, you want to have two moms in the household? Awesome. Cool. You want to teach it to your 1.00
00:15:56.000 kids? Great.
00:15:57.000 It's your personal choice. But when it comes to the strength of our military, we should not be compromising it
00:16:02.000 to make people who are a minority of the population feel comfortable with who's in
00:16:09.000 the homes and what gender is who or what.
00:16:12.000 So trying to make people feel comfortable is not...
00:16:14.000 Not military doctrine the simple strategy is the military wants to recruit as many of these people as possible to go send them off to the front lines so they die That's terrible.
00:16:22.000 Don't like that.
00:16:23.000 I do think, I think we've been intentionally weakening ourselves by putting on front display, I don't know what the Biden administration is thinking, but by putting like a transgeneral in place, by having that weird gay guy going to the press release thing, and then the guy who runs the nuclear waste, yeah, the guy who runs the nuclear waste. 0.79
00:16:41.000 Oh, the guy who likes like dressing up as animals and stuff and doing weird like, Why are we letting our enemies see this?
00:16:47.000 What possible benefit could come from this?
00:16:50.000 It's a trick.
00:16:51.000 Joe Biden's lulling Russia into a false sense of security.
00:16:55.000 And then all of a sudden what's going to happen is a whole bunch of 6'5 super whips are going to jump out and unleash the super soldiers.
00:17:04.000 Never fight a land war in Asia. 0.98
00:17:05.000 Putin's going to be like, I thought I thought they were all weak feminists! 0.98
00:17:09.000 Biden! 0.91
00:17:10.000 Your strength is superior to mine.
00:17:12.000 We've got to create some sort of love between these dudes.
00:17:15.000 They were about to meet, Putin and Biden, like five days ago.
00:17:18.000 They had a meeting planned and then all of a sudden they canceled it.
00:17:21.000 I think that was Putin, that Biden did that.
00:17:24.000 Like, Putin's like, yo, I'm down to talk, man.
00:17:26.000 I'm gonna take Ukraine, but I'm down to talk.
00:17:27.000 I don't think so.
00:17:28.000 You think Putin cancelled it?
00:17:29.000 I think this is Putin's long game.
00:17:31.000 I think he didn't do it with Trump because Trump's freaking loose cannon, and he was like, yeah, if I do that, who knows what's gonna happen. 0.62
00:17:38.000 Like, with Trump, he would be like, you know, send troops into, like, go right into Russia. 0.86
00:17:45.000 Yeah, go ahead.
00:17:45.000 Putin knows Biden will barely take action on Ukraine.
00:17:48.000 He's gonna walk right in.
00:17:49.000 to handle the US going in to Russia. Putin knows Biden will barely take action on Ukraine.
00:17:56.000 Yeah, he's gonna walk right in. What's Biden gonna do about it?
00:17:59.000 And at best it's gonna be late. Yeah.
00:18:01.000 Right.
00:18:02.000 It already is.
00:18:04.000 Exactly, it already is.
00:18:05.000 The military is not in a position to act swiftly at this point.
00:18:09.000 So what do they give?
00:18:11.000 96 hours to Kiev?
00:18:12.000 By the time Joe Biden wakes up from his nap, Kiev will fall.
00:18:17.000 Man, Biden.
00:18:19.000 How did this guy get elected?
00:18:21.000 I'm flabbergasted.
00:18:22.000 Unelected.
00:18:24.000 Flabbergasted.
00:18:25.000 Yeah, that people voted for this guy and now we're watching the shambles.
00:18:28.000 It was Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, two of our options. 0.99
00:18:31.000 What the fuck has happened to society? 0.99
00:18:32.000 Yo, that was when we should have realized the country was fucking on fire. 0.99
00:18:36.000 I didn't, I kind of, but I didn't know any solutions. 0.96
00:18:39.000 Like how the hell do you fix this?
00:18:40.000 Run and hide, man.
00:18:41.000 First time it's ever happened.
00:18:43.000 Okay.
00:18:44.000 No, I wouldn't go anywhere.
00:18:46.000 I don't know.
00:18:47.000 You know, there's a certain line, I guess, if fighting got so bad that the country was unsalvageable, I'd probably just be like, I'm out, man.
00:18:53.000 But I don't see that as being a possibility.
00:18:56.000 I think whatever ends up happening, the United States will have some semblance of the Constitution and its founding.
00:19:01.000 Principles and I'm here for that man.
00:19:03.000 I'm not gonna go anywhere.
00:19:05.000 Maybe we'll be at the bunker But we'll stick around to try and make sure we can keep this even if there was like this country is worth worth fighting for I think even if thermos through more nuclear war even if this surfaces Annihilated the data is gonna be transmitted to the future and people will reform governments with this Constitution and they'll use it as a basis to create new constitutions You would hope so.
00:19:25.000 I mean, it's the best thing that we got.
00:19:27.000 I got an idea for our sci-fi show It's 300 years after an apocalyptic event.
00:19:34.000 Tribes have reformed and they're all very primitive until one day someone comes across an old solid-state hard drive and dusts it off and blows on it and there's a laptop and they open it and it's an archive of Timcast IRL.
00:19:50.000 And so the only information they have about the old ways comes from watching this show.
00:19:56.000 And then what happens is... It's Hunter Biden's laptop, by the way.
00:19:58.000 That's what I thought he was going with.
00:20:02.000 They didn't want to come out what was on the laptop was all the episodes of IRL.
00:20:06.000 That's actually a better idea.
00:20:07.000 What is Hunter Biden?
00:20:10.000 Hunter Biden!
00:20:11.000 And then they all start, like, making ornamental crackpipes.
00:20:14.000 Witness the hunter!
00:20:16.000 They wear ornamental crackpipes.
00:20:18.000 They put them in their mouths to go to sleep, not knowing what it means.
00:20:23.000 No, but, like, that's the joke.
00:20:25.000 My joke was that they were all gonna base their world off of Ian.
00:20:28.000 Great.
00:20:28.000 Oh, yeah.
00:20:29.000 That's not balanced, by the way.
00:20:31.000 You want to balance it out with other people like Tim and your environment.
00:20:35.000 Yeah, but I think, you know, should the war really expand, this idea of feminism will just get erased. 1.00
00:20:40.000 Yeah, that's for sure.
00:20:41.000 Feminism only exists in the luxury of Western wealth. 1.00
00:20:45.000 All these thoughts.
00:20:46.000 Liberal economic order will be wiped out, too, because you can't have military bases all over when you really need to defend your homeland.
00:20:51.000 Yo, we're going back to the days of ripped guys with long hair just clubbing women and dragging them into a cave.
00:20:58.000 It's horrible. 0.64
00:20:59.000 I mean that in the worst way.
00:20:59.000 Horrible.
00:21:02.000 People don't realize how brutal things get.
00:21:04.000 Exactly. 1.00
00:21:06.000 It's going to be roving bands of dudes with guns taking what they want and saying, fuck off. 1.00
00:21:10.000 So how do we prevent that? 1.00
00:21:12.000 It's always been that.
00:21:13.000 Yes, that's what it's always been!
00:21:15.000 That's the tale of most of history, is tribes of men shaping the world around them, usually through the use of force.
00:21:23.000 We were talking about Genghis Khan earlier.
00:21:24.000 Yeah, and there was, you know, and it was a it was a heavily masculine
00:21:30.000 Energy that was driving society and only when you have stable and safe societies with protected
00:21:39.000 boundaries and a firm perimeter can this idea of feminine energy really even 1.00
00:21:46.000 Take hold into society.
00:21:48.000 And it is a good thing to a certain extent, but we've gotten so far out of balance with this energy.
00:21:55.000 Once you establish a society, there should be the introduction of some very positive feminine energy into it. 1.00
00:22:01.000 Because feminine energy carries the ideas of emotion and nurturing and taking care of things. 1.00
00:22:06.000 And if you're a society that can protect itself, then you need to turn inward and protect your people within the society.
00:22:13.000 But we've gotten so far from that masculine energy that protects the society, you know, we're talking about the military, that we're now weak because the feminine energy isn't a protecting energy.
00:22:27.000 Yeah, like you might have like the fierce mama bears and all that, but they're not,
00:22:29.000 these are not people who are willing to die and to spill blood, you know, to,
00:22:35.000 to keep people safe.
00:22:36.000 I think willing to die, but not willing to spill blood.
00:22:38.000 Yeah, correct.
00:22:39.000 I think like the mother will huddle over the baby and she'll spill blood. 0.84
00:22:42.000 If you come to her territory, that's right.
00:22:44.000 The man will go out mama bear kind of energy, but the man will actually search
00:22:48.000 and hunt and kill potential violence.
00:22:50.000 I'm, I'm, I'm playing this a new video game. 0.91
00:22:53.000 Horizon forbidden West.
00:22:54.000 It's a sequel to Horizon Zero Dawn, an amazing game with an amazing storyline, and I'll give you the simple version, because at this point, if you play the second game, the storyline's already been spoiled.
00:23:04.000 Post-apocalyptic.
00:23:06.000 Tribal civilizations, and they like harvest ancient technology and things like that.
00:23:12.000 And so the main character is this woman named Aloy.
00:23:16.000 There's no issue if a video game protagonist is a female. 0.83
00:23:18.000 You know, sometimes women are heroes, sometimes men are.
00:23:21.000 That's no problem.
00:23:22.000 But I was playing it just before we did the show, and I noticed something really funny.
00:23:26.000 I went to a rebel camp.
00:23:28.000 That's what it's called, a rebel camp.
00:23:30.000 And you got a bow and arrow, you got a spear.
00:23:32.000 And then all of a sudden I hear these women yelling, you know, intruder, go get her. 1.00
00:23:36.000 And then I'm like, all right, so you got to kill the rebels as you make your way in. 0.99
00:23:40.000 And then I noticed like, they're all women. 1.00
00:23:43.000 It was all women. 1.00
00:23:44.000 There was like two guys.
00:23:46.000 And the two guys were like thin effeminate men. 1.00
00:23:48.000 It was the weirdest shit. 0.99
00:23:49.000 I'm like, what about a post-apocalyptic tribal reality has a band of rebel women who are going and raiding villages? 1.00
00:23:58.000 Completely unrealistic.
00:24:00.000 It's already a sci-fi nonsense game.
00:24:03.000 So it's fine to be unrealistic.
00:24:06.000 At least half should be men? 0.98
00:24:07.000 You know what I mean?
00:24:08.000 Like, if it's a bunch of men and women running and fighting you, I'd get it. 1.00
00:24:11.000 But it's like, it was all women. 0.99
00:24:12.000 And like, the bad guy leading them, it's a woman. 1.00
00:24:15.000 The leader of the rebels, some lady. 0.99
00:24:16.000 And I'm just like, look, I fucking get it. 1.00
00:24:19.000 You're feminists. 1.00
00:24:19.000 But like, shouldn't there be some men here? 1.00
00:24:22.000 At least slave dudes.
00:24:23.000 Like, if your problem is that it's all men all the time in these games, don't you think the solution would be to have half men and half women? 0.69
00:24:30.000 Not just women running around. 1.00
00:24:31.000 And I'm mercilessly beating these women as their character. 1.00
00:24:35.000 and I'm just like you have to. And I'm like there's just something weird about these feminists being 1.00
00:24:40.000 like the main character should just brutally beat nothing but women. And I'm like isn't that not? 0.97
00:24:44.000 We deserve our rights too. Isn't that not feminists? Like all the bad guys I'm just
00:24:49.000 just brutally beating these women and I'm like at a certain point I think there should be a guy in 0.98
00:24:52.000 there you know but I guess they want me to beat the women. 1.00
00:24:55.000 I was kind of fortunate to learn about feminism from my mother who's like 70 now. 1.00
00:24:58.000 So she got first wave feminism and I was like, what does it mean?
00:25:01.000 Does it mean girls are better than boys?
00:25:02.000 She went, no, no, nothing like that.
00:25:05.000 Feminism means that men and women are equal. 0.99
00:25:07.000 We have equal rights.
00:25:08.000 That's all it means.
00:25:10.000 And it's a pretty solid premise.
00:25:12.000 Then second wave came in and they were like, well, women are different, so they should have certain privileges. 1.00
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00:25:49.000 And then third wave came in and they were like, men or women? 0.91
00:25:51.000 Yep.
00:25:54.000 Is that third wave or is that fourth wave?
00:25:56.000 I think we're on fourth now.
00:25:56.000 Are we on fourth?
00:25:57.000 I think we're on fourth.
00:25:59.000 Third wave was like, give us special privileges.
00:26:02.000 That was bad too.
00:26:03.000 First wave was, we should vote.
00:26:05.000 Second wave was, we should have to wear bras. 0.99
00:26:07.000 Third wave was, give us special privileges.
00:26:10.000 And fourth wave is, yeah, men or women, like critical theory.
00:26:13.000 And there's no standard of beauty anymore either.
00:26:15.000 Yeah, that's the thing about the game too.
00:26:17.000 Everything is beautiful.
00:26:18.000 All the women in the game are frumpy. 1.00
00:26:19.000 We've erased the standard of beauty to where it includes everything because nobody's allowed to hold anybody to a certain standard. 0.95
00:26:29.000 You're not even allowed to hold yourself to a certain standard because then you're fatphobic or you're...
00:26:34.000 You're being insensitive to people who don't hold themselves to standard. 0.98
00:26:37.000 Narcissistic.
00:26:37.000 That's a word that gets overused.
00:26:39.000 So this is an issue I have with the modern culture on art for people.
00:26:44.000 So Ian and I, we play Magic the Gathering.
00:26:46.000 Are you familiar with the game at all?
00:26:48.000 Yeah.
00:26:48.000 So early depictions of the characters were like attractive men and women.
00:26:52.000 And they were made to be stylized and look cool.
00:26:54.000 Angels were beautiful.
00:26:55.000 Now they're doing art where it's like frumpy.
00:26:58.000 Why?
00:26:58.000 Frumpy and homely.
00:26:59.000 Because it's representation.
00:27:01.000 My fantasy about elves has nothing to do with real people.
00:27:06.000 Show me a hot babe and a ripped guy, like they're idealized versions of people. 0.98
00:27:10.000 I don't need a fat, frumpy woman who's an angel. 1.00
00:27:13.000 It makes no sense to me. 0.91
00:27:14.000 And we should have standards of beauty.
00:27:17.000 As a culture, we should have these things.
00:27:18.000 They're important.
00:27:20.000 They drive people to work hard to accomplish those standards.
00:27:25.000 I bet you know this constantly I see these new underwear models. This is a Victoria's Secret 0.95
00:27:30.000 I'm like this was supposed to be scandalous when I was younger. I remember thinking wow obviously I could never
00:27:34.000 look like that She's a model. I'm hoping that if I buy these underwear. 1.00
00:27:38.000 This is what I'll end up looking like right no more now These ladies are fugly they're disgusting 1.00
00:27:44.000 And I'm like, who wants to look like this? 0.93
00:27:45.000 Why would I buy your product if it's going to make me look like me in the mirror?
00:27:49.000 It's the war of mediocrity.
00:27:50.000 These people don't want equality in the sense that... And they don't even want equity in a good way.
00:27:55.000 People don't want equality in the sense that, exactly, and they don't even want equity in
00:28:03.000 a good way.
00:28:04.000 They don't want to work, so in order to rationalize that, everybody needs to come down to the
00:28:11.000 lowest common denominator.
00:28:15.000 That lowest point where nobody is held accountable anymore.
00:28:20.000 And that's how a culture dies. 0.98
00:28:23.000 There is a mall chain for fat women called Torrid. 0.98
00:28:27.000 That's correct, yes. 0.98
00:28:28.000 And we went to the mall and I walked past and all of the mannequins are morbidly obese.
00:28:32.000 Yeah, it's bad.
00:28:33.000 It's really bad.
00:28:33.000 Look up the website.
00:28:34.000 Dude, so bad.
00:28:35.000 Let me see if I can pull it up.
00:28:36.000 Fashion for sizes 12 to 28.
00:28:40.000 Yeah.
00:28:41.000 12 to 28.
00:28:41.000 Those are very large sizes.
00:28:45.000 You're not just talking about a woman who carries extra weight. 0.99
00:28:48.000 Look at this.
00:28:48.000 That's not Kirby, guys.
00:28:50.000 You're talking about somebody who's coming from somebody who's in the health profession.
00:28:55.000 You're talking about somebody who has serious health issues.
00:28:58.000 Morbid.
00:28:59.000 Currently, if not right on the horizon.
00:29:02.000 No, I mean this is morbid obesity.
00:29:03.000 This makes me so sad.
00:29:05.000 The company's just horrid.
00:29:06.000 And torrid sounds awful.
00:29:08.000 It means hot and dry.
00:29:09.000 Yikes.
00:29:10.000 Yep, that sounds about right.
00:29:12.000 That's so weird.
00:29:14.000 So we had an idea and we were like, we should make a big and morbidly obese store, we'd call it that, and it would be called Chonkers.
00:29:22.000 I like that better.
00:29:22.000 Chonkers is at least fun sounding.
00:29:27.000 This is like taking advantage of a crisis.
00:29:29.000 The obesity crisis is legitimate, and these guys are profiting off of that.
00:29:34.000 Capitalism, man.
00:29:35.000 Yeah, this is actually what red-pilled me on feminism, was looking at the body positivity and being like, if they actually wanted women to succeed and live to see their children and grandchildren, but of course they don't. 1.00
00:29:44.000 They don't want them to have children and grandchildren.
00:29:46.000 Anyway, if they wanted people to live and succeed, they wouldn't want you to be fat. 0.99
00:29:49.000 They're liars. 0.96
00:29:50.000 No, they don't.
00:29:52.000 They don't want any type of striving for greatness, and that's what makes this society amazing, is when people come together collectively to push the needle forward, to create progress.
00:30:04.000 Look at this image.
00:30:05.000 Oh my gosh.
00:30:06.000 Can you read that shirt?
00:30:07.000 No, honey, you're thinner than me, not prettier.
00:30:11.000 What if I'm both?
00:30:14.000 This is, they get mad when guys don't want to be with them. 0.93
00:30:19.000 I love how these fat chicks, these morbidly obese people are like, you should not have it. 1.00
00:30:24.000 You have to. 0.89
00:30:25.000 But if you're under six feet tall.
00:30:26.000 Oh yeah.
00:30:28.000 They don't message you on Tinder.
00:30:30.000 That's right.
00:30:31.000 There was a guy who posted, he was 5'11", and he said that one day he decided to change his profile to say six foot, and then all of a sudden he got tons of messages.
00:30:38.000 Oh wow.
00:30:39.000 For me, it's the age, not the height.
00:30:43.000 These are these beauty standards that, you know, and this is the culture of doublethink here, right?
00:30:47.000 So they'll lower the beauty standards for women. 1.00
00:30:51.000 And if you don't accept them, then you are, you know, you're a fascist, you're a masochist, you're a patriarch, you're all of these horrible things, right? 0.60
00:31:02.000 But these are the same, and God forbid, at the same time, you can't even acknowledge a beautiful woman. 0.91
00:31:08.000 Because then you're also... You were looking at her while you said that.
00:31:12.000 Yeah, thank you.
00:31:12.000 I appreciate that.
00:31:13.000 I'll take that.
00:31:14.000 I was going to say, if you called her beautiful, I just couldn't bring myself to say it.
00:31:17.000 I feel bad for her, dude.
00:31:18.000 You get me too.
00:31:19.000 Look at her face.
00:31:20.000 If you acknowledge a beautiful woman under these circumstances, then you're doing the same things that they're accusing you of for not acknowledging the beauty of that woman.
00:31:27.000 Exactly.
00:31:28.000 But these women will turn around and they'll clap and cheer and make all this noise over men who are attractive and they'll treat them just like the objects that they're so against being treated like. 1.00
00:31:38.000 This is a subreddit called justlegbeardthings.
00:31:41.000 And I guess a legbeard is like an unkempt woman. 1.00
00:31:44.000 Oh, that sounds right.
00:31:45.000 But look at her. 0.96
00:31:46.000 Actually, I feel bad for this woman. 0.97
00:31:49.000 She looks very unhappy.
00:31:50.000 She has to know that shirt is extremely cringey.
00:31:54.000 But I think she's like she needed money and someone said we want a morbidly obese woman to wear this shirt. 1.00
00:32:00.000 And she does not look happy about it. 0.98
00:32:01.000 She looks miserable.
00:32:02.000 I don't think any of these people are happy.
00:32:04.000 I think the goal is to make everybody as unhappy as they are.
00:32:08.000 You know what my conspiracy theory is?
00:32:11.000 You know the Dove Real Beauty campaign?
00:32:13.000 Oh yeah, yeah. 0.91
00:32:14.000 How it's like all these fat chicks? 1.00
00:32:15.000 Yeah.
00:32:16.000 Dove is owned by Unilever.
00:32:19.000 Oh! 0.60
00:32:19.000 Do you know what other company is owned by Unilever? 0.60
00:32:22.000 Tell us.
00:32:22.000 I'm sure it's probably like a fast food chain.
00:32:24.000 Ben & Jerry's.
00:32:25.000 Oh God, yeah.
00:32:26.000 And so I think, so Ben & Jerry's wants you to eat ice cream.
00:32:31.000 Unilever owns both and they're like, look, if we're telling women to be thin and beautiful, they're not going to buy our ice cream.
00:32:35.000 That's right.
00:32:36.000 So how do we do both?
00:32:37.000 Cheer them on for being morbidly obese.
00:32:39.000 Tell them to eat all the ice cream in the world.
00:32:40.000 Win-win.
00:32:41.000 Win-win.
00:32:41.000 Exactly.
00:32:42.000 Hey, unfettered capitalism ain't all that good.
00:32:44.000 I'm looking at this guy, Les Wexner, who was like big in the Epstein Island thing when Maria Farmer drew her set heels thing.
00:32:51.000 Les Wexner's front and center, right underneath Ghislaine, like he's the demon's face.
00:32:55.000 He runs Victoria's Secret.
00:32:57.000 He owns Victoria's Secret.
00:32:58.000 He's the guy that's putting the green light on these campaigns. 0.94
00:33:01.000 Why is some guy that apparently is involved or seems to be involved with pedophilia now twisting his campaign to stop focusing on hot chicks and focusing on fat girls? 0.98
00:33:11.000 They're gutting the country. 1.00
00:33:12.000 What the fuck? 1.00
00:33:13.000 You're destroying the culture. 1.00
00:33:14.000 So he's basically said fuck the United States. 1.00
00:33:18.000 He may have no... Imagine this. 1.00
00:33:19.000 These people don't have allegiance to countries.
00:33:21.000 They have allegiance to money.
00:33:24.000 Imagine this.
00:33:24.000 Imagine you go out to eat with your friends and they say, let's get Chinese food.
00:33:29.000 And you walk in and you say, what should I get?
00:33:32.000 And they say, oh, get the Kung Pao, you know, Sai Bo.
00:33:35.000 And you're like, sure. 1.00
00:33:36.000 And then out comes a plate with a steaming pile of dog shit. 1.00
00:33:40.000 You go, I'm not eating that. 1.00
00:33:41.000 That's fucked up. 0.99
00:33:42.000 And they say, you don't like Chinese food? 1.00
00:33:44.000 And you go, I guess not.
00:33:47.000 And then you leave, and someone says, no, no, no, trust me, I'm going to bring you to a good Chinese food restaurant.
00:33:51.000 And you go to another restaurant.
00:33:52.000 And you walk in, and they say, what did you get?
00:33:54.000 And try the Mo Fan Dong.
00:33:55.000 And you go, okay. 1.00
00:33:56.000 And then out comes a steamy pile of cat shit. 1.00
00:33:58.000 And you go, I don't want to eat this food! 1.00
00:34:01.000 From then on, you'll tell all your friends, I hate Chinese food. 0.99
00:34:05.000 It's disgusting. 0.99
00:34:05.000 I can't believe people eat it. 0.99
00:34:07.000 But they weren't giving you Chinese food, they were giving you shit! 1.00
00:34:11.000 So what happens now is people are going to say things like, maybe I'm gay. 1.00
00:34:15.000 They're going to be like, that's a pretty woman. 1.00
00:34:18.000 Actually, yeah.
00:34:19.000 Ian, that's a pretty woman. 1.00
00:34:21.000 Does she arouse you? 1.00
00:34:23.000 Maybe you're gay then. 1.00
00:34:25.000 You see what they're doing? 0.99
00:34:25.000 40% of young people. 0.99
00:34:27.000 Especially when they start pushing it at that very young age.
00:34:30.000 At the age that they're starting to introduce this idea of homosexuality and gender and all this other stuff. 0.80
00:34:37.000 They go like this, they get a little boy and they show him that fat chick and they go, do you think she's pretty? 0.65
00:34:41.000 And he goes, I guess. 0.96
00:34:43.000 Do you want to kiss her?
00:34:44.000 No. 1.00
00:34:45.000 And we should chop your balls off. 1.00
00:34:47.000 Maybe you're trans. 1.00
00:34:50.000 And then what they'll do is they'll show like a ripped guy and be like, he's attractive, right? 0.64
00:34:54.000 The kid goes, I guess.
00:34:55.000 That proves it.
00:34:57.000 See, you said the man was attractive, but the girl wasn't. 1.00
00:35:01.000 We should chop your balls off! 1.00
00:35:02.000 When I was in first grade, I would chase the girls around on the playground and pretend like I was trying to kiss them, and they'd be like, ah! 1.00
00:35:07.000 And they'd run and laugh.
00:35:08.000 But like, would a kid get in trouble for that today? 0.98
00:35:10.000 That's your child rape? 1.00
00:35:11.000 Yeah, that's my child rape story. 1.00
00:35:13.000 Sorry, Carla. 0.94
00:35:14.000 No, she's a good girl.
00:35:15.000 What's up, dude?
00:35:16.000 And it was like, just my way of like, society told me I was supposed to like girls, so I was like, I guess I'll like the girls on the play.
00:35:23.000 But now, today, would that be considered harassment?
00:35:24.000 Would you get a first grader pulled out of class?
00:35:26.000 Oh my god, that would make CNN headlines.
00:35:30.000 Seriously, that would be the hate crime of the century.
00:35:33.000 It, like, actually helped me develop my relationships with those girls as friends.
00:35:36.000 I think Don Lemon might cry.
00:35:37.000 Rachel Maddow would definitely cry about that on air. 0.99
00:35:39.000 Don Lemon would be like, What's happening?
00:35:43.000 He's chasing them!
00:35:45.000 They're running!
00:35:46.000 What's happened to our country?
00:35:49.000 And then Tucker would do the thing with his face where he's like, Don Lamon was shocked.
00:35:52.000 good Don Lemon. And then Tucker would do the thing with his face where he's like
00:35:56.000 Don Lemon was shocked. As he should be.
00:36:06.000 I think it's time to wrap things up.
00:36:07.000 Ian Smith, thanks for hanging out.
00:36:09.000 And other Ian, of course.
00:36:10.000 Oh, thank you for having me.
00:36:11.000 Two Ians today.
00:36:12.000 Thanks for coming, man.
00:36:13.000 Really appreciate it.
00:36:14.000 And for everybody who's a member, thanks for hanging out and making all this possible.
00:36:17.000 And we'll be back with the show tomorrow night.
00:36:19.000 And hopefully the world doesn't blow up.