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00:00:24.000 Let's go uncensored and talk about what's going on with this conflict.

00:00:27.000 There's a lot to talk about.

00:00:30.000 I wanted to briefly mention Julian Assange because I think that dude is amazing.

00:00:38.000 I think he did fantastic work.

00:00:40.000 He's a journalist.

00:00:41.000 He was receiving documents and information.

00:00:45.000 He was working diligently with the WikiLeaks team to redact sensitive information to protect life while still get the truth out.

00:00:52.000 And they have effectively assassinated this guy.

00:00:55.000 They're doing a soft assassination.

00:00:57.000 It's how I describe it. 0.99

00:00:58.000 They know that if they kill him, they martyr him.

00:01:00.000 You've got that, whether true or apocryphal line, can't we just drone this guy? 0.77

00:01:07.000 I think that if this was 50, 60 years ago, they'd have killed him on the spot.

00:01:10.000 But they learned their lesson with creating martyrs.

00:01:12.000 So they use rape allegations, they lock him up, and they just try and completely suppress and destroy his work.

00:01:19.000 I just wanted to say that, you know what I mean?

00:01:21.000 Well, I have the opportunity.

00:01:23.000 Well, you met with him at the embassy, right?

00:01:26.000 The Ecuadorian embassy in London.

00:01:27.000 Yeah, it was an apolitical, very boring conversation, not related to really anything.

00:01:32.000 And I don't know what the point was, but you know, shout out to Julian Assange.

00:01:35.000 Well, I'm out there in DC demonstrating for him all the time.

00:01:39.000 We do all the coverage we can to support his freedom, but I never got to meet him, but we were in touch through encrypted communications just talking about what was going on with his In one of our last communications, I'm going to struggle to remember this right, but it's very intriguing.

00:01:59.000 He told me, can you call this number or these guys who are offering photos of me inside the embassy and exclusive video of me inside the embassy for money and try to figure out who they are?

00:02:15.000 They're in Spain.

00:02:17.000 Okay, so I called them, and in Spanish I said, I'm a producer for Fox News, and I have a million dollars, and I want these photos and videos.

00:02:26.000 Because the question is, how did somebody from outside the Ecuadorian embassy have footage of Julian Assange?

00:02:32.000 It must mean a foreign intelligence agency had infiltrated the Ecuadorian embassy, which is what Julian Assange was always saying was happening.

00:02:41.000 So I actually set up a meeting with them, And one of Assange's lawyers and a few other,

00:02:47.000 some of his lawyers went and met them and found out that a Spanish security firm called UC Global

00:02:54.000 had infiltrated the embassy.

00:02:56.000 Whoa.

00:02:57.000 They were, their director...

00:02:59.000 Their director, whose name will come to me in a second, it's been a minute, but I reported all this,

00:03:04.000 was eventually arrested by the Spanish police in a sting operation.

00:03:08.000 They'd been surveilling him.

00:03:09.000 He'd been traveling to Las Vegas to the hotel of Sheldon Adelson, who was being used as a CIA cutout to fund this operation.

00:03:19.000 And he had stuck his forces, his men, as a security company inside the Ecuadorian embassy.

00:03:26.000 They got a contract with Ecuador secretly on behalf of the CIA to surveil Julian Assange.

00:03:32.000 And they were monitoring his every move, monitoring every conversation.

00:03:36.000 They actually hacked into Pamela Anderson's email because she wrote down on a piece of paper her password for him so that he could check it or something.

00:03:45.000 What?

00:03:46.000 And they saw it with the camera and went into Pamela Anderson's email.

00:03:49.000 Wow.

00:03:50.000 So I don't know what year you went there, It was, I think it was February of 2017 or something.

00:03:56.000 Remember when Trump said last night in Sweden?

00:03:58.000 Yeah.

00:03:59.000 I went to Sweden and then actually I think it was my, it was early March.

00:04:03.000 Yeah, it was March.

00:04:04.000 It was around my birthday.

00:04:05.000 So I think it was March of like 2017, maybe.

00:04:08.000 Maybe, maybe it was not.

00:04:09.000 Maybe it was 2018. 0.99

00:04:10.000 Fuck, when was that? 0.99

00:04:11.000 So, well, this whole thing started when Mike Pompeo declared war on WikiLeaks in his first speech as CIA director. 1.00

00:04:18.000 And Sheldon Adelson supporting Mike Pompeo.

00:04:21.000 Mike Pompeo said Wikileaks is a hostile intelligence agency, non-state intelligence agency, and we will destroy Wikileaks.

00:04:29.000 That was his goal as CIA director.

00:04:31.000 And that's what this operation was all about.

00:04:34.000 So it all comes to a head in, I think, late 2018.

00:04:38.000 Ecuador's Basically, Ecuador's version of the CIA director comes to meet with Julian Assange and they're talking about basically a prison break where they're going to get him out of there and get him to a third country that will host him the way Russia hosted Edward Snowden.

00:04:56.000 Everything was in place.

00:04:57.000 They didn't know they were being surveilled by the CIA.

00:05:00.000 So the next day, the very next day in a court in Northern Virginia, The secret indictment of Julian Assange is issued and they surround the place with police and they set the stage for his arrest. 0.99

00:05:14.000 So it's fucked up man.

00:05:16.000 It is and he's been tortured ever since yeah I mean this is a guy who has two young kids who has a wife and the only way he can meet his kids is if their first totally frisked their mouths are opened and Like if he tries to touch them before they're totally bodily searched his young kids police will tackle him Don Don jr. 0.99

00:05:37.000 Came on the show I think he said it twice.

00:05:40.000 The first was a call-in.

00:05:41.000 I think he said it here again, that he thinks it's time that Edward Snowden and Julian Assange get a pardon and just are brought back.

00:05:49.000 Yeah.

00:05:52.000 Doesn't mean Trump Sr.

00:05:52.000 does it.

00:05:53.000 Trump Sr.

00:05:54.000 told Candace Owens he would pardon him, didn't he?

00:05:56.000 I believe so.

00:05:56.000 Didn't he really?

00:05:58.000 I mean, like, dude, if that was the only thing I'd vote on, if that's true, I'd just, nothing else.

00:06:04.000 Well, I mean, a lot else matters, but that's huge.

00:06:06.000 He had the chance to do it at the end, I mean.

00:06:08.000 You know what I think Trump was doing?

00:06:10.000 Julian Assange knows stuff about the deep state.

00:06:14.000 Trump wanted it.

00:06:15.000 Trump wanted to use it.

00:06:16.000 Julian wouldn't give it up because Julian is preserving his legacy and his organization, WikiLeaks.

00:06:22.000 So he's not going to compromise the entire operation because of Trump wanting to expose something or whatever information Trump thought he was going to get out of it.

00:06:29.000 Well, two guests that were being surveilled were Chuck Johnson and Dana Rohrabacher, who went supposedly on behalf of the Trump campaign to offer Julian Assange a pardon if he would agree to say, you know, Russiagate was a fraud, the WikiLeaks emails were not given to him by Russia.

00:06:47.000 Well, my understanding- Podesta leaks and so on.

00:06:51.000 I think this one's gonna come out of a matter of perspective.

00:06:53.000 My understanding was they were asking him to expose that it wasn't not to say, you know what I mean?

00:06:59.000 Like, I'm sure there's a view that, hey, just like the people who hate Trump are gonna say, he said, just claim it so we can use it.

00:07:05.000 My understanding is they went to him and said, we know you have the evidence, we want it.

00:07:09.000 And when he said, no, Trump said, then I'm gonna take it from you by force. 0.99

00:07:13.000 And so, That's why he tried to pull him out, which is bullshit. 0.97

00:07:17.000 He should have been pardoned and released. 0.95

00:07:18.000 And I think that would have gone way better for Trump if he had acted in good faith.

00:07:23.000 But let's talk about Palestine as the 51st state.

00:07:26.000 And antisemitism and all that stuff.

00:07:27.000 We're going to talk about Palestine as the 51st state. 0.98

00:07:30.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.98

00:07:31.000 It is. 0.93

00:07:31.000 But there's one thing that I want to bring up. 0.93

00:07:34.000 Back when ISIS was a thing, when the Islamic State was a thing, there was this magazine that they put out called Dabiq, okay?

00:07:41.000 And it was a legit magazine.

00:07:43.000 It had great copy editors, really put together well.

00:07:48.000 It was kind of unnerving to people that the Islamic State was able to produce this type of propaganda.

00:07:54.000 In Dabiq, one of the issues they had an article called why we hate you and why we fight you right and it outlines the whole reason why the islamic fundamentalists hate everybody that are not islamic fundamentalists and i cannot 0.78

00:08:13.000 I cannot recommend more strongly that you read it.

00:08:16.000 Now, this does not reflect every Muslim, obviously, but what it does do is give people an inside look from the horse's mouth the way that the actual terrorists Look at people that are not Muslims.

00:08:35.000 They there's not mincing words.

00:08:37.000 It is straight up. 0.99

00:08:38.000 We hate you because you're unbelievers and we are going to kill you if we get the chance and the only thing that you can do is convert to Islam and that is still a motivating factor in portions of The, the, or at least in, in, when it comes to Islamic terrorism, there are people that say, oh, well, there are, there are fundamentalist Jews that hate other people and fundamentalist Christians that hate other people. 1.00

00:09:01.000 And that's all true, but there's only one religion that's been chopping heads off in the past 10 years, 15 years. 0.99

00:09:08.000 And I actually tagged you on it.

00:09:11.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:09:12.000 I opened it and then I was just listening to Veronica.

00:09:15.000 It's a minority, extreme sect of the religion that emerges from Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism, which Qasem Soleimani fought tooth and nail in Iraq, in Syria, because they're such a threat to many of the Muslims who live there and the Christians. 0.99

00:09:32.000 Yeah, because they don't like apostates.

00:09:33.000 Well, it's anybody, apostates, anyone that's not a... Because if I understand correctly, They believe that everyone is born Muslim. 0.97

00:09:40.000 And then if you turn, if you revert to being Muslim, Muslim is like this day. 1.00

00:09:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:46.000 You're right.

00:09:46.000 You don't convert, you revert.

00:09:47.000 Okay.

00:09:48.000 So, so that means anyone that if you're born and you are not a Muslim, like you're born a Christian, they, to them, you are an apostate because you have left the religion. 0.85

00:09:48.000 Yeah. 0.85

00:09:57.000 And that means that, and what the only thing that they think that should happen to apostates is kill them. 0.98

00:10:02.000 So everyone on earth that is born a Muslim, and then they turn away if they follow any other religion, so that means they all get the sword. 1.00

00:10:12.000 And that's a real thing.

00:10:13.000 That's a real perspective.

00:10:15.000 Now, it's not the majority, but it is real, and it is why people will strap a bomb on themselves and go and kill people that are not Well, the suicide bombing tactic was pioneered by a non-Muslim group called the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka. 0.95

00:10:33.000 Most suicide bombings throughout history have been carried out by them.

00:10:38.000 And there have been, you know, forms of suicide attacks carried out by the Islamic Republic.

00:10:44.000 Sure, yeah.

00:10:45.000 I'm not saying that Islam is the only one that does.

00:10:48.000 But it takes an ideological commitment.

00:10:51.000 And people don't throw their lives away just for over-economic reasons.

00:10:54.000 Because the argument that Obama was making was, oh, these people are in such dire economic straits, that's why.

00:11:03.000 They're poor people, they have no other option, so that's why they're turning to terrorism.

00:11:09.000 And that's just not true.

00:11:11.000 I mean, the most comprehensive study of suicide bombing was conducted by Robert Pape.

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00:12:17.000 political scientists, it's called Dying to Win.

00:12:19.000 And he found that the common thread between all suicide bombers is they tend to be occupied, militarily occupied.

00:12:27.000 And when you're militarily occupied and you also are economically impoverished, it can lead you into some extreme ideologies as well.

00:12:35.000 But ISIS isn't really coming from that point of view.

00:12:38.000 I mean, ISIS also, we have to remember, was supported By the West.

00:12:43.000 John Kerry was recorded.

00:12:45.000 Secretary of State John Kerry was recorded.

00:12:47.000 But their motivation was still the Levant.

00:12:49.000 Their motivation was to recreate, to rebuild the caliphate. 0.94

00:12:54.000 But you have other Islamist groups, for example, that are willing to live with non-Muslims in their midst. 0.92

00:13:02.000 It might not be like the greatest situation for these minorities, but they're not trying to eradicate them.

00:13:09.000 Actually, one of the inspirations for the name The Gray Zone was a paper that was called The Extinction of the Gray Zone that was issued in Dabiq and it called for Muslims in the West to destroy the gray zone, which is the area of coexistence between Muslim immigrants to the West and Christians and Jews and, you know, prevent the assimilation of Muslims to the West.

00:13:34.000 And by doing that, the way they would do it was to carry out terror attacks in Western cities to polarize the population and then to cause like the native Anglo Christians to force them out. 1.00

00:13:48.000 So that they would take sanctuary, make Hizra into the caliphate. 1.00

00:13:53.000 And so by extinguishing the gray zone, it would empower ISIS. 0.93

00:13:57.000 And so we said, we're the gray zone.

00:13:59.000 We're the resistance to that.

00:14:01.000 We're where people actually can coexist.

00:14:04.000 But also the gray zone has a lot of other meanings.

00:14:07.000 Like it means like a war kind of warfare that is less than conventional warfare, which is the kind of war that we all live in now because We are currently, right now, engaged in information warfare.

00:14:18.000 Economic warfare.

00:14:20.000 I just wanted to make sure to point that out to give you, because you were talking about trying to learn about what the problem is and stuff.

00:14:28.000 And there is a significant, it's not large, but it's influence and it's obviously the repercussions of it existing are significant because, you know.

00:14:41.000 I would think.

00:14:42.000 People are asking that we get Ben Shapiro to debate you.

00:14:46.000 I debated him once without knowing I was going to on an old Al Jazeera show called The Stream.

00:14:52.000 I remember The Stream.

00:14:53.000 Yeah.

00:14:55.000 Who was hosting that?

00:14:56.000 Ahmed Eldin?

00:14:58.000 I don't even remember.

00:14:59.000 Was he doing The Stream?

00:15:00.000 I don't know if that was him actually.

00:15:00.000 I don't remember them.

00:15:02.000 I should, but I'm like getting early onset Alzheimer's and I'm two malorts down.

00:15:08.000 It was a long time ago.

00:15:09.000 All I remember is that they had to keep cutting Ben's mic because he was just, he wouldn't shut up.

00:15:14.000 He was just screaming the whole time and he wouldn't let me talk.

00:15:17.000 He was so agitated by everything I was saying it was like he was going to spontaneously combust.

00:15:24.000 I can understand why someone like Van would be agitated by this.

00:15:30.000 It's like a Kirk Hammett solo.

00:15:33.000 When there's a Kirk Hammett solo in Metallica, they just open a sound deprivation chamber and he's been playing continuously in there.

00:15:42.000 But he was trying to do that throughout the whole debate.

00:15:45.000 So if someone would lock him in a soundproof chamber for the parts where I talk and then let him out, I would do it.

00:15:53.000 But he just won't do it.

00:15:54.000 So what year was that?

00:15:55.000 Because he's calmed down a lot.

00:15:56.000 He's such a spaz. 1.00

00:15:57.000 Last time I hung out with him, he was super chill.

00:15:58.000 He was in a calm... So if we had a good moderator, yeah, we'd probably get a really good convo.

00:16:03.000 I mean, it would be like, if you step to the mic and you get your time, I would do that.

00:16:10.000 Public theater, I'd definitely be down to do that.

00:16:13.000 I like Ben.

00:16:15.000 All he does is insult me too. 0.98

00:16:16.000 He's like, that Jew-hating anti-Semite Max Blumenthal. 0.88

00:16:22.000 I can bag on you too, and it's not going to work out that well for you, but I'd rather talk about ideas.

00:16:27.000 I like Ben, but I do think that for obvious reasons on the issue of Israel, he's going to be agitated.

00:16:32.000 It's a polite way of putting it.

00:16:35.000 In contrast to how you described it, I'd just say agitated.

00:16:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:40.000 I can understand why he would be.

00:16:41.000 If we're going to take a risk or take a chance or talk to people we're not comfortable talking to, now's the time.

00:16:45.000 But I don't want to put him on the spot, it's just that we had a lot of people saying that You and Ben would be a really if it were possible But you know so not talking about making Palestine a state or offering them the opportunity to petition to be I just want I just hope you realize that it's like a literal impossibility Nobody wants that and what are you even referring to Gaza? 0.96

00:17:06.000 Yeah, wherever.

00:17:06.000 We could work with Israel.

00:17:09.000 Let me answer the question.

00:17:11.000 Okay, how about this?

00:17:12.000 Wait, I got an idea.

00:17:13.000 We get an island somewhere, and we relocate everybody there, and invest tons of money in infrastructure, and give them a place.

00:17:20.000 That was the other thought.

00:17:21.000 We can send them away as refugees, but that seems like almost... 1.00

00:17:26.000 I'm done with ethnic cleansing. 0.99

00:17:30.000 I want to stay right next to Israel because they're great trade partners and I want to go to Israel.

00:17:36.000 I want to chill there.

00:17:37.000 I want to go to Egypt.

00:17:38.000 I would love to have an American presence there and we could increase the value of the land.

00:17:43.000 We could bring high-tech.

00:17:44.000 What gives us The authority to do that. 1.00

00:17:49.000 Because we, the British and the French, are responsible for this shit. 1.00

00:17:51.000 We're not the British and the French! 0.99

00:17:53.000 Yeah, well, we've worked with the British and the French for a hundred years, propagating the Jewish occupation or colonization of that territory. 0.97

00:17:59.000 We have a duty to take care of these people.

00:18:01.000 No!

00:18:02.000 No, we don't.

00:18:02.000 We've created this problem!

00:18:03.000 No, we didn't!

00:18:04.000 Well, the British and the French did it, and maybe the Americans weren't involved, I don't know.

00:18:07.000 And the children, you cannot promise, the children of one generation.

00:18:13.000 You can't go and say, because of our involvement in World War II, we are now culpable for an entire other country.

00:18:18.000 Well, that's one reason why.

00:18:18.000 The other reason is I want to avoid World War III.

00:18:21.000 That I can understand.

00:18:21.000 That's another reason.

00:18:22.000 But we're not the world police.

00:18:23.000 We shouldn't be the world police.

00:18:24.000 Unfortunately, we are.

00:18:25.000 Yeah, I know, but... We're not!

00:18:26.000 We have a duty, man.

00:18:27.000 No, we don't.

00:18:28.000 The efforts of the United States to be the world police have been a disaster.

00:18:31.000 Why do you think...

00:18:32.000 Well, I agree.

00:18:33.000 I do agree with that.

00:18:33.000 Being involved in war, I can understand.

00:18:34.000 World War II and things like that.

00:18:36.000 There's questions about whether or not we should have even been involved in World War I or II in the first place.

00:18:40.000 But at the very least, I can understand the U.S.

00:18:43.000 being like, we have allies.

00:18:44.000 We're intervening.

00:18:44.000 There's a major war going on with people being imprisoned, murdered, and systematically killed.

00:18:49.000 It's another thing for us to be like, hey, there's some bad shit going on over there in another country. 0.99

00:18:53.000 Let's send our troops over there. 1.00

00:18:54.000 No, fuck that! 1.00

00:18:55.000 Also... That's why I'm like... 1.00

00:18:57.000 You know, Cassandra is 100% under all circumstances the U.S. 0.98

00:19:03.000 does not intervene in foreign bullshit. 0.77

00:19:05.000 And I asked her about, like, what about sanctions? 1.00

00:19:06.000 No, fuck that, no sanctions, bullshit. 1.00

00:19:08.000 And I'm like, okay. 1.00

00:19:10.000 Me, I'm like 95%, 90-95%.

00:19:12.000 Like, I recognize that everything is absolute, but in almost every circumstance in my life where the U.S. 0.97

00:19:18.000 has been like, we've decided to intervene in this conflict, they've just fucked it up. 0.95

00:19:21.000 Yeah, the last 120 years have been insane. 0.52

00:19:23.000 Oh, by the way, the Hundred Years' War went on for 116 years, and it was three 20-year wars.

00:19:27.000 So it's three wars within one war.

00:19:29.000 So it wasn't even 100 years.

00:19:30.000 So we're both kind of right.

00:19:31.000 So like World War I, World War II, and then modern-day war is kind of like the three pockets of war, just like that Hundred Years' War.

00:19:38.000 Let me do this.

00:19:39.000 As Ian and I argue the merits of a 51st state of Palestine, what do you think?

00:19:43.000 Do you think there is a solution?

00:19:46.000 I'm not saying if you could figure out what it was, but do you think there's one?

00:19:48.000 I, you know, went around the country again and again to every, every venue that would have me to talk about a binational solution or a one state solution where everybody had equal rights between the river and the sea, which would, I think, and it would, it would end the source of the conflict.

00:20:11.000 Which is that the Palestinians are stateless and that they are physically separated and now I think we've never been further away from that. 1.00

00:20:20.000 I mean this idea was accepted by a small tiny minority in like academia and we had little one-state conferences with Jews and Palestinians and Israelis and in Israel a small group of people supported it.

00:20:35.000 In Palestine a small group of people supported it.

00:20:38.000 Now both sides are electing to decide to negotiate through violence.

00:20:44.000 And it's not going to work out.

00:20:46.000 It's actually, although the balance of power is on Israel's side right now, in the long run it will not work out well for them.

00:20:52.000 And so I just wanted to put it on the record that I tried something else along with a small group of people.

00:21:00.000 So the U.S. 0.99

00:21:00.000 is in deep shit right now. 0.99

00:21:02.000 BRICS, the BRICS currency, the competition for the petrodollar. 0.99

00:21:07.000 I kind of feel like if the U.S.

00:21:08.000 loses its unipolar status, which is basically on the verge of doing, we're now entering a multipolar China-U.S.

00:21:15.000 world.

00:21:15.000 If the U.S.

00:21:16.000 loses its position and falters, I don't know how Israel survives. 1.00

00:21:20.000 Yeah, I mean, you talk about modern warfare.

00:21:23.000 It's not just conventional warfare, as we said.

00:21:26.000 It's information warfare.

00:21:28.000 It's also economic warfare.

00:21:29.000 The U.S.

00:21:30.000 has imposed unilateral coercive measures, in other words, sanctions that the U.N.

00:21:34.000 doesn't vote on, on one-third of the whole world's population, but particularly on countries where it seeks regime change.

00:21:43.000 And one of those countries, by the way, was Venezuela.

00:21:45.000 Where is so much of the pressure at the border coming from?

00:21:47.000 It's coming from Venezuelan migrants. 1.00

00:21:49.000 The State Department in 2019 published, under Pompeo, a document So what happens when you destroy the economy of a country to your south?

00:22:03.000 They come to you, the rich country.

00:22:05.000 So everyone in the anti-war right or anti-interventionist right who wants a hard border should also look at the perspective of, let's stop destroying these countries.

00:22:15.000 So what are these countries going to do when they're under US sanctions?

00:22:19.000 They're going to turn to a country like China that isn't going to tell them in order for us to have strong economic relations with you, you need to have this kind of system and you need to recognize the LGBT community and do all of the, you know, you need to have a neoliberal economic system and so on.

00:22:39.000 All China wants is just to shake their hand and cut raw economic deals. 0.78

00:22:43.000 Venezuela is bringing China in there.

00:22:46.000 Syria is cut... Bashar al-Assad, who has been under devastating sanctions, has gone and met with Xi in China, Xi Jinping, and they're cutting deals through the Belt and Road Initiative.

00:22:59.000 And all these countries are getting out from under the dollar hegemony that has crushed them. 0.99

00:23:04.000 And in the end, once the petrodollar is gone... We're fucked. 0.99

00:23:09.000 The American way of life is over. 1.00

00:23:12.000 Gone.

00:23:12.000 Yep.

00:23:12.000 People don't get it.

00:23:13.000 We don't make shit. 0.99

00:23:14.000 We just print dollars and then we use those dollars to buy shit from other people because they need our dollars to buy oil. 0.99

00:23:20.000 Central dollar goes. 0.97

00:23:21.000 So, super simplified version.

00:23:24.000 Most countries have to export more than they import so they have a strong currency.

00:23:28.000 It's a very simplified version.

00:23:30.000 Because they need to use their currency, let's call it Ian Bucks.

00:23:33.000 If they want to buy oil, they first got to buy dollars.

00:23:36.000 So Ian has to trade Ian Bucks for dollars.

00:23:38.000 Is the Ian Buck worth anything to the American people?

00:23:41.000 Depends, what do you make?

00:23:42.000 So Ian has to maintain more exports than imports, basically selling more goods to keep a balanced budget, so they can maintain a strong currency and buy more oil.

00:23:50.000 Once the petrodollar is gone and Ian can buy oil directly with Ian Bucks, He goes to the U.S. 1.00

00:23:55.000 and says, go fuck yourselves. 1.00

00:23:56.000 I don't need shit from you. 1.00

00:23:57.000 But the U.S. 0.99

00:23:57.000 ain't making anything. 0.99

00:23:58.000 We give our manufacturing up to a bunch of different countries for short-term gains from shit-ass politicians. 0.99

00:24:03.000 So when Donald Trump was like, secure our borders, bring manufacturing back, it's kind of like, maybe we should start doing that. 0.97

00:24:09.000 But you get Biden back in, and they want to resume the typical, I don't know, what do you call it, liberal economic order policies of, let's just blow people up, and you point guns at them so they give us their stuff.

00:24:20.000 Yeah.

00:24:20.000 Well, even Biden's seen the writing on the wall.

00:24:22.000 That's why the Chips Act.

00:24:24.000 Right.

00:24:24.000 Exactly.

00:24:25.000 Exactly.

00:24:26.000 And that's why he sleeps all day.

00:24:28.000 Because he's just too tired.

00:24:29.000 Help me poke some holes in this concept of allowing statehood to Palestine.

00:24:34.000 What would be something like in the way of that?

00:24:36.000 They don't want it.

00:24:37.000 Hamas!

00:24:37.000 Literally Hamas!

00:24:39.000 Israel? 0.53

00:24:41.000 Does not want a Palestinian state because it would be a base for Palestinians to, in their view, organize against Israel within Israel.

00:24:52.000 They don't want a Palestinian state because the West Bank now has something like 200, 250,000 Jewish settlers in it.

00:24:58.000 Where would they go?

00:25:02.000 I mean, if you look at Jerusalem right now, East Jerusalem is occupied by Israel.

00:25:07.000 350,000 Palestinians live there.

00:25:09.000 They have Jordanian residency, not citizenship.

00:25:13.000 And that part of East Jerusalem is completely surrounded with giant mega settlements that are like cities in order to cut them off from the West Bank. 0.97

00:25:23.000 So where would the state even go?

00:25:26.000 There's a settlement called Modi'in Elite. 0.73

00:25:29.000 It's huge.

00:25:30.000 It's basically a city east of East Jerusalem.

00:25:33.000 And the master plan cuts the West Bank in half.

00:25:37.000 So the Palestinian state, if you were to establish it now, would just be a bunch of cantons or bantustans that don't connect to each other.

00:25:45.000 And then you have the Gaza Strip and Jerusalem.

00:25:47.000 I mean, that was Israel's plan was to cut them off into a thousand pieces, a bunch of pieces of salami and have the maximum number of Palestinians on the minimum amount of land. 0.98

00:25:59.000 And that's why Palestinians started looking for a different solution, which is we're just going to go for rights instead of sovereignty, because we have no sovereignty. 0.89

00:26:07.000 And rights within a Jewish state means we're equal.

00:26:11.000 In a Jewish state, people who are not Jewish can't have equal rights. 0.86

00:26:15.000 And so they've basically proven that Israel is not a Jewish and democratic state. 0.51

00:26:20.000 As an Arab lawmaker, a Palestinian lawmaker in Israel, Ahmed Tibi said to me, Israel is democratic towards its Jews and Jewish towards its Arabs.

00:26:33.000 Let's go to callers!

00:26:34.000 We'll bring in our callers and see what they have to ask or say.

00:26:37.000 Let us do that.

00:26:38.000 Hello, uh, Aqueduct Studio.

00:26:41.000 How are you today?

00:26:43.000 Hey, what's up, guys?

00:26:45.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:26:46.000 Of course.

00:26:47.000 My question is for Max here.

00:26:50.000 Watching the episode tonight, it feels like you weigh Israel's response to terrorist attacks.

00:26:56.000 Oh, wait.

00:26:57.000 Max was putting his headphones on.

00:26:57.000 Ask that question again.

00:26:58.000 There you go.

00:27:01.000 Oh, OK.

00:27:02.000 Watching the episode earlier tonight, it feels like you weigh Israel's response to terrorist attacks as heavier than the terrorist attack itself. 0.96

00:27:12.000 To me, the fuck around justifies the find out, but how do you balance the scale? 0.99

00:27:19.000 Well, when did the fuck around begin? 0.99

00:27:21.000 I hate hearing myself on headphones. 0.99

00:27:23.000 I hear my own, like, nasal voice.

00:27:25.000 So, the easiest way would be, we'll just use what happened this, uh... That would be the easiest way for you, but that's not the easiest way if you actually look at it from the perspective of people on the ground.

00:27:38.000 So, yeah.

00:27:40.000 If you look at it from the Palestinian perspective, when would you say the start date begins?

00:27:45.000 Well, the easiest way for them would be 1948 when 750,000 Palestinians were forced from over 400 villages and cities, and many of them were pushed into the Gaza Strip. 0.81

00:27:57.000 The Gaza Strip's population is over 80% refugees who have no state, no citizenship of anything. 1.00

00:28:06.000 And if you look at the city of Ashkelon, which is being rocketed right now, that used to be called Majdal Ashkelon, and it was filled with Palestinians before 1948.

00:28:15.000 They were ethnically cleansed. 0.98

00:28:17.000 This is something that's been acknowledged by mainstream Israeli historians like Benny Morris.

00:28:22.000 And they were pushed into the Gaza Strip.

00:28:24.000 And actually, many of them were actually held in internment camps, barbed wire internment camps, until 1950, then dumped in Gaza in trucks.

00:28:33.000 And then Jews from Iraq And Yemen, which were destabilized through the creation of Israel, which fomented a lot of antisemitism in the region, were then moved into their homes, literally moved into their homes.

00:28:47.000 And then later, Russian Jews who came from the Soviet Union were moved into their homes.

00:28:51.000 So they're kind of like they're firing rockets.

00:28:54.000 at a city that their grandparents and great-grandparents used to live in.

00:29:00.000 That's how they perceive it.

00:29:01.000 But we can also look at so many other indignities and assaults that have happened.

00:29:06.000 2006-2007, Operation Summer Rain, when Israel began raining missiles down on a besieged Gaza Strip, the mortuaries were overflowing.

00:29:15.000 This was according to Israeli media.

00:29:17.000 2008-2009, Operation Cast Lead, over 800 People killed in the Gaza Strip, over half of them women and children.

00:29:26.000 Operation Pillar of Cloud, 350 civilians killed inside the Gaza Strip through assaults by the Israeli military.

00:29:35.000 And you look at the Israeli casualties at this point, it was maybe 10, 20 people.

00:29:40.000 Then Operation Protective Edge, 2014.

00:29:42.000 In each case, Israel violating a ceasefire to carry out these attacks. 0.98

00:29:47.000 Israel was fucking around in these cases. 0.98

00:29:50.000 I mean, that sounds like heroism to me. 0.99

00:29:52.000 I mean, we could praise Israel for that.

00:29:54.000 Well, I mean, that's just a commentary and reflection on your own character, praising Israel for attacking caged natives in a Waldorf ghetto who are basically defenseless.

00:30:07.000 And what do you think it does to the mentality of young people to grow up in that?

00:30:10.000 Do you think it makes them healthy and psychologically capable of having great relations with the people who are constantly drone attacking them?

00:30:19.000 No, the culture there is one of trauma, constant trauma, and you see people playing out their trauma through violence in these armed factions to get vengeance on those they consider to be their oppressors.

00:30:34.000 And I don't like it.

00:30:35.000 I don't want it.

00:30:35.000 That's why I'm in this as a Jew, because I saw this coming and I see more coming.

00:30:42.000 So, you want to praise it?

00:30:44.000 Keep on praising it. 1.00

00:30:46.000 Keep on uttering cheap phrases of, fuck around and find out. 1.00

00:30:46.000 Keep on supporting it. 1.00

00:30:50.000 It's not going to work out well for Jews, for Palestinians, and it's going to spread and drag us into a regional war that could turn nuclear. 0.98

00:31:00.000 I had a question, Aqueduct.

00:31:01.000 What do you think about it was heroic?

00:31:05.000 Oh, I mean, that's kind of tongue-in-cheek, because the response that we heard from the Democratic Socialists, they said, oh, the Hamas attacks were heroic.

00:31:15.000 You know, so perspective, you could call what Palestine does when they fire rockets into Israel, you call that heroic. 0.99

00:31:22.000 You could call IDF responding to the attacks heroic.

00:31:25.000 It's a perspective thing.

00:31:25.000 What's heroic about lobbing missiles from far away into a ghetto?

00:31:29.000 I mean, they're not, they're not facing people down.

00:31:31.000 What's heroic about shooting rockets into civilian Israel? 0.92

00:31:34.000 Yeah, I don't think either of it's heroic.

00:31:35.000 Many Palestinians.

00:31:36.000 I don't think either of it is heroic either.

00:31:37.000 Many Palestinians consider it heroic.

00:31:38.000 You know, but like, if you can justify one, why can you not justify the other?

00:31:42.000 To go into a military base with American tanks.

00:31:45.000 And Markava tanks and American military gear, which they did.

00:31:49.000 And we never, we're not talking about going and shooting for defense of civilians.

00:31:53.000 What the Al-Qassam brigades and the Siara Al-Quds brigades did was initially to go into military bases and fight Israeli soldiers face to face and the Israeli soldiers lost.

00:32:06.000 And this is all on camera.

00:32:08.000 And I'm not speaking for the DSA.

00:32:11.000 I'm talking about what people on the ground think is heroic.

00:32:16.000 I don't even know what the DSA said.

00:32:17.000 In New York, there was an event promoted by the DSA where they cheered for the rockets reaching Tel Aviv.

00:32:23.000 And at this event, one man laughed about the hipsters who got taken by the Hamas soldiers.

00:32:30.000 He actually explicitly stated that he was happy that they went to the music festival and took several dozen of these hipsters.

00:32:38.000 And then he laughed and said, I'm sure they're doing fine now.

00:32:40.000 Many of them being dead, of course.

00:32:42.000 Being anti-American has become like the cool, edgy thing in college.

00:32:45.000 Yeah, they were clapping and cheering for it.

00:32:47.000 But I mean, didn't you laugh when Burning Man got flooded?

00:32:50.000 No.

00:32:51.000 No, why would I?

00:32:52.000 That wasn't like an actual like... Some people were like, yeah, they had it coming.

00:32:56.000 Yeah, like they did a sacrifice.

00:32:57.000 Perhaps like... They did like a ritual sacrifice for Ukraine and then got flooded. 0.61

00:33:01.000 I don't know if you've noticed, but I would... I'm saying we're talking about New York hipsterism.

00:33:05.000 We're talking about like people... Sure, but I don't want to wish for their death.

00:33:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:10.000 I mean... Okay.

00:33:10.000 For sure.

00:33:13.000 Have you looked at the pro-Israel rally in our video of it?

00:33:16.000 No.

00:33:16.000 Actually, AOC, who condemned the Palestine Solidarity Rally, just tweeted our video out.

00:33:26.000 I will play this, though, from Glenn Greenwald.

00:33:27.000 This is it.

00:33:28.000 This is the video that she just tweeted out as well.

00:33:30.000 This one? 1.00

00:33:31.000 Fuck Palestine! 1.00

00:33:31.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:33:33.000 Palestine to my dick! 1.00

00:33:34.000 What do you think the response should be from Netanyahu and the military to Gaza? 1.00

00:33:38.000 Kill all Palestinians! 1.00

00:33:40.000 All of them! 1.00

00:33:41.000 Not one life from the river to the sea, Palestine will be deceased! 1.00

00:33:45.000 And Israel need to do like this. 0.97

00:33:48.000 You see?

00:33:49.000 Now Gaza. 0.94

00:33:50.000 Like this.

00:33:52.000 Gaza need to do like this. 1.00

00:33:55.000 Okay, the prime minister of Israel is saying this.

00:33:59.000 So the guy right now is showing a picture where it's Gaza and then beneath it, it's just, it's a parking lot.

00:34:05.000 Okay, wait a minute.

00:34:06.000 Let me just provide some perspective here.

00:34:09.000 We as Americans provide Israel with $4 billion a year in military aid for them to spend here on weapons to dump on Palestinians. 0.79

00:34:17.000 We should absolutely end all foreign aid.

00:34:20.000 We give Israel more aid than we give to all of Africa. 0.93

00:34:24.000 And Benjamin Netanyahu is using this rhetoric.

00:34:26.000 He said he will reduce to rubble all of the hiding places in Gaza, a coastal enclave that's besieged, where half the population is children.

00:34:35.000 The defense minister of Israel, Yoav Galant, said the people in Gaza, they're fighting human animals there.

00:34:42.000 And he said that in cutting off the gas, electricity and water.

00:34:47.000 Okay, only Israel has the power to commit actual genocide.

00:34:52.000 They're the only ones with the weapons to be able to do it.

00:34:56.000 And they are saying that they want to do it.

00:35:01.000 Members of Knesset from Netanyahu's party are calling for Nakba 2.0 on Twitter.

00:35:05.000 The Nakba is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948.

00:35:09.000 Let's, uh, I want to try and get to more callers.

00:35:13.000 So, uh, was that sufficient?

00:35:14.000 I know it's probably not because this debate goes on forever, but, uh... It does.

00:35:17.000 Yeah.

00:35:18.000 Oh, that was awesome.

00:35:19.000 Thank you guys so much.

00:35:20.000 Max, thanks for coming on.

00:35:21.000 Thank you.

00:35:22.000 Thanks for calling.

00:35:23.000 Cheers, mate.

00:35:24.000 Alright, uh, up next, oh, whoops, this is getting difficult to scroll there.

00:35:29.000 Uh, Lev-uh-tee.

00:35:31.000 Lev-uh-tee. 0.98

00:35:32.000 Hopefully that's levity.

00:35:33.000 How are you?

00:35:34.000 You with us?

00:35:36.000 Yep, you got it.

00:35:37.000 Hey, nice.

00:35:38.000 Could definitely use some of that nowadays.

00:35:41.000 I try to stay as white-pilled as possible.

00:35:43.000 Hell yeah, same here bro.

00:35:46.000 So, my question is to the crew, and I'm speaking from the perspective of the vast majority, 90 plus percent of my family, is from Palestine or living there currently.

00:36:01.000 Where do you think this conflict will be going?

00:36:05.000 Say, especially with, like, the election year, will this be used as some sort of catalyst for even something like an October surprise, if you will?

00:36:16.000 You know, some people have said that a wartime president has never lost, therefore Democrats will benefit from this.

00:36:22.000 I don't think so.

00:36:24.000 I suppose the Trump could stand if Joe Biden was seen as competent and as someone leading a nation through a war.

00:36:33.000 But he's not.

00:36:34.000 Overwhelmingly, people think he's too old.

00:36:35.000 No, he's really not.

00:36:36.000 Right.

00:36:37.000 So it's like, I don't know about that.

00:36:39.000 Most people are really, if I can, like, from what I can gather, most people are not confident that the president is competent to run the country without a war going on.

00:36:55.000 Never mind a war in the Middle East, which is Unquestionably not something that could be won for at least not by not for for the United States and I think of the United States is mostly over getting involved in foreign wars the I don't think there's ever been a time in my life when America has had a general consensus of we want to avoid or have have had more people that had the consensus of we don't want to get involved in foreign wars so I don't know that that would help

00:37:26.000 Yeah, a lot of Trump people are anti-intervention and anti-war.

00:37:30.000 It's really interesting.

00:37:32.000 I'm with them there on that front.

00:37:35.000 I sort of side with Phil on the whole subject of just stop all foreign aid.

00:37:40.000 I got this feeling that this could be another short war, like the seven-day war, but I don't think it's going to be seven days.

00:37:47.000 I know Ben said, Benjamin Netanyahu said that it was going to be a long war.

00:37:51.000 I kind of feel like this could be the most extreme escalation we've ever seen.

00:37:51.000 I don't know.

00:37:56.000 Max, would you agree?

00:37:57.000 I mean, listen to what Nikki Haley said.

00:37:59.000 Finish them! 0.96

00:38:01.000 Finish them! 0.96

00:38:02.000 A carrier group being deployed.

00:38:03.000 US special forces being offered up.

00:38:05.000 Yeah.

00:38:08.000 It's like it's hanging by a thread, which is why I'm resorting to prayer.

00:38:11.000 It's just, I'm not a spiritual, I mean, I don't think of myself as religious or any of that, but like people can have dreams.

00:38:16.000 People like Benjamin Netanyahu can wake up tomorrow with a realization of something.

00:38:19.000 He can have a, same with the defense minister and all these people.

00:38:22.000 What if, like, tomorrow on the show, Ian's like, I prayed to Jesus, and he told me what to do, and then he gets up and leaves, and then, like, two days later, we're like, what happened to Ian?

00:38:28.000 And it's like, peace has come to the Middle East.

00:38:30.000 I'm on a plane with Elon, Lex Friedman, and Ben Nye.

00:38:31.000 He's, like, standing, and he's, like, got a hammer, and he tears the wall down, and everyone hugs, and it's all over, and it's just like, how did he do it?

00:38:38.000 And he's like, Jesus told me what to do.

00:38:39.000 Because someone put me in touch with Lex Friedman, who got me in touch with Benjamin Netanyahu, and we all hung out and talked about God.

00:38:45.000 Yeah, what do you think?

00:38:45.000 What do you think politically?

00:38:46.000 I mean, how does this affect the U.S.

00:38:48.000 internally?

00:38:50.000 Well, that was a question for Max.

00:38:53.000 I was trying to get Max to jump in.

00:38:57.000 Look at Biden's speech today.

00:38:59.000 He's under extreme pressure because who funds his campaign?

00:39:05.000 I mean, there's tons of pro-Israel money coming in.

00:39:07.000 There are huge consequences.

00:39:10.000 APAC.

00:39:11.000 Yeah.

00:39:11.000 I mean, Biden was a close friend of APAC.

00:39:14.000 He said on the Senate floor that if Israel didn't exist, he'd have to create it.

00:39:21.000 Everyone watching, just look up that clip.

00:39:23.000 It's easy to find.

00:39:24.000 It's more shocking than I even made it out to be.

00:39:26.000 And it's also interesting to see Biden back when he was like coherent and like really spry.

00:39:31.000 Yeah.

00:39:33.000 It'd be cool if like in the US we had, you know, like hydrogen fuel cells and solar and nuclear power.

00:39:40.000 Mostly nuclear power because the energy return on energy invested is so fantastic. 0.98

00:39:44.000 We were manufacturing things and everyone in the world wanted to be like us because we had the coolest shit. 0.98

00:39:48.000 Instead, at some point, some fat, lazy Intel guy was like, let's just blow them up until they give us our stuff. 0.99

00:39:54.000 Give us their stuff. 0.70

00:39:55.000 And that's kind of been the trajectory of American foreign policy ever since.

00:39:58.000 So from the Democratic point of view, you have an interesting dynamic.

00:39:58.000 Yeah.

00:40:01.000 The Democratic Party is not Democratic.

00:40:03.000 So, you know, you have the donor class.

00:40:06.000 But then a Pew poll this year showed that for the first time, most Democratic voters do not support Israel over Palestine.

00:40:13.000 Wow.

00:40:14.000 They are sympathetic, especially the younger Democrats are more sympathetic to Palestine.

00:40:18.000 Then you have the Republicans, a lot of Christian Zionists, a lot of people who support Israel for religious reasons.

00:40:25.000 Older Republicans are very pro-Israel.

00:40:29.000 But, I mean, you look at Tucker throwing down the gauntlet, who's one of the most influential kind of America first figures, and he's like, OK, Israel can respond, but this cannot go beyond that to Iran. 0.76

00:40:41.000 And so Trump would be under pressure to oppose a regional war and his base would follow him.

00:40:48.000 So I think the longer this goes on, the more you're going to see support from the American public falling away.

00:40:54.000 And especially if there's a ground invasion in Gaza, it's going to be so ugly. 0.96

00:41:00.000 It's going to be disgusting.

00:41:01.000 Yep. 1.00

00:41:02.000 I like the libertarian, we should not be funding foreign countries, it's bullshit, America needs to stick to its own business. 1.00

00:41:08.000 I can't stand the tanky left, cut funding to Israel so that we can kill them all. 1.00

00:41:13.000 That shit pisses me off. 1.00

00:41:15.000 I agree with your invasion of Gaza by the Israeli military would be disastrous for the Israelis because people would have their video cameras up on the seventh floor recording the Israelis kicking a door open, dragging a woman out by their hair, and the entire world would see the horror of that door-to-door. 1.00

00:41:31.000 Yeah.

00:41:31.000 Which they do every day, by the way, in the West Bank, but it would be on a much greater level.

00:41:35.000 We got to try and get through these callers though.

00:41:37.000 So, uh, Levity, was that good?

00:41:38.000 Is there anything you wanted to add to that?

00:41:41.000 Uh, no, just shout out to what y'all do and, uh, the great community you've got here in the discord.

00:41:47.000 Right on.

00:41:47.000 Yeah.

00:41:48.000 For those that are listening, you should definitely be in the discord hanging out.

00:41:50.000 Thanks for calling in, buddy.

00:41:52.000 Thanks, man.

00:41:53.000 Cheers, man.

00:41:54.000 All right.

00:41:54.000 Uh, Larkin, what is up?

00:41:58.000 How are you?

00:41:59.000 Hi, go on guys.

00:42:00.000 Pretty good, man.

00:42:01.000 So, uh, y'all had actually a really significant question in the, uh, the chats earlier that you didn't really understand that as far as this, the, uh, the red heifer, according to a medic Judaism, uh, 10 perfect red heifers have to be found, drained of blood and then sacrificed and the site of the third temple to bring about what their version of the second coming is.

00:42:25.000 And so the first week of October, It was announced they found the 10th Red Heifer.

00:42:31.000 The 5th of October, 800 rabbis stormed Al-Aqsa Temple and held a ritual there.

00:42:39.000 And then the 7th, all this 3rd stuff, grew long.

00:42:41.000 Anyway.

00:42:42.000 So we're to go, Jerry and George.

00:42:43.000 Real quick, I just pulled it up.

00:42:44.000 Just real quick, sorry.

00:42:45.000 I just googled it.

00:42:46.000 A month ago, they said one heifer would herald the 3rd temple and end the world as we know it.

00:42:52.000 This was reported September 8th.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, I mean, what's really significant is you have these religious nationalist Jews led by Itamar Ben-Gavir, who's the security minister.

00:43:04.000 And they're leading these marches up to Al-Aqsa, but the ultra-Orthodox rabbinate, the traditional rabbinate of Judaism, forbids them from going in without the red heifer sacrifice, right?

00:43:22.000 What they're doing is contrary to traditional Judaism. 0.68

00:43:25.000 I apologize.

00:43:27.000 The deep state, essentially, of Israel is fiercely ethnically supremacist and religiously zealous.

00:43:37.000 They really believe this stuff.

00:43:38.000 You may not, but they do.

00:43:40.000 And so they try to enact these things, right?

00:43:44.000 I know, it sounds crazy, conspiracy, I know, but again, military intelligence, you don't really question them anymore.

00:43:48.000 So my question is, the Samson option. 0.91

00:43:53.000 I rethink it.

00:43:54.000 I think that the Samson auction, you look at what's going on in the West and the flood of refugees and stuff like that, right? 1.00

00:44:00.000 Where most of these refugees are coming from, they're coming from Middle Eastern nations.

00:44:05.000 And people ask, well, why does the West care so much about Israel?

00:44:10.000 Well, really, that started in the 60s, I believe, with the second Catholicism. Man, why am I, I can't remember that.

00:44:20.000 Basically a lot of funding was poured into these churches from Israel to affect public opinion because they

00:44:26.000 need to survive in a hostile environment, right? Well, if they want to enact these

00:44:30.000 things, what's going to happen? So if they destroy the mosque and they want to rebuild this temple, 0.53

00:44:37.000 what's the standard reaction for anyone that this is like their holy land, right?

00:44:44.000 Their holy site.

00:44:45.000 They're going to get pissed off and they're going to act, right?

00:44:48.000 So if all of these nations are now flooded with Middle Eastern individuals that don't really have anything really solid yet anchoring them there, and then a holy site is destroyed of theirs, thus giving them an identitarian spike. 0.93

00:45:04.000 And a reaction when the U.S.

00:45:06.000 and the West supports Israel, thus pulling them into this global war.

00:45:12.000 That's what I think the Samson option really is. 1.00

00:45:14.000 It's not going to be like a nuclear bomb like people used to think.

00:45:17.000 I was wondering if you think it's accurate.

00:45:19.000 The Samson option, which is the title of a Seymour Hersh book about it, is basically Israel blackmailing the West with a nuclear strike if the West abandons it.

00:45:31.000 I've been feeling that in meditations for about seven years or nine years.

00:45:37.000 Yeah, or they could do a nuclear strike on a regional country.

00:45:44.000 Yisrael Ariel is an influential religious nationalist rabbi in Israel who is the founder of this temple movement, which wants to replace Al-Aqsa with the third Jewish temple.

00:45:56.000 And in the early 80s, he attempted a bombing of the Al-Aqsa compound to destroy it.

00:46:02.000 And he was actually stopped by Israel's deep state, the Shabak, the Shin Bet.

00:46:07.000 Israel's security establishment is actually still overwhelmingly secular.

00:46:11.000 And a lot of them are actually anti-Netanyahu, are supporting the protests against Netanyahu.

00:46:17.000 And they see this movement as destabilizing not only to Israel, but to the entire region.

00:46:24.000 Because if you blow up the third holiest site in Islam, the whole region is going to be set on fire and it's going to turn against Israel. 0.91

00:46:32.000 So, this movement has been really sophisticated in infiltrating Israeli institutions, and now you see one of its key figures as a security minister, and one of its other key figures, Bezalel Smotrik, is the finance minister who's in charge of doling out money to settlements.

00:46:53.000 So they're moving in there and they're becoming the kind of new counter-establishment in Israel.

00:46:58.000 And that's what all these protests that you see against Netanyahu are about.

00:47:02.000 They say, oh, it's about judicial reform.

00:47:04.000 No, it's really about who decides the future of the country, the religious nationalists or the old elite from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem who are kind of secular Zionists.

00:47:14.000 Those are the Supreme Court of Israel?

00:47:16.000 Yeah, the Supreme Court is their base.

00:47:19.000 You know, their base of power.

00:47:20.000 It's like the only thing they have left, so they're going to defend that tooth and nail.

00:47:23.000 We have only a few minutes left, so I do want to make time for these other callers, but Larkin, did you want to clarify anything or add to that?

00:47:29.000 No, I appreciate your time and the Holy Land belongs to Rome, Roma and Victor.

00:47:38.000 I don't really want to see people suffer and I've Seen it first hand, so I hope it all ends, but thanks for having me guys.

00:47:45.000 Thanks for calling in.

00:47:46.000 Thank you.

00:47:47.000 Bring back the Italians. 1.00

00:47:48.000 Yeah, we were talking about the report in the pod.

00:47:49.000 That's funny, man.

00:47:50.000 All right.

00:47:51.000 Funnily enough, our next caller is Roma Nation. 1.00

00:47:57.000 How are you, Roma Nation?

00:47:59.000 Hey guys, this is your new elite member, AK, with Roma Nation. 0.96

00:48:03.000 What's going on, Tim?

00:48:04.000 What up?

00:48:05.000 Nice microphone.

00:48:06.000 Yeah, good mic.

00:48:07.000 Sounds great.

00:48:08.000 It's the same one you guys have.

00:48:11.000 So my question is for failed journalist Phil Donahue here.

00:48:16.000 After Biden's failed withdrawal attempt from the Middle East, Left something like $80 billion in weaponry and vehicles.

00:48:24.000 So my question is, since U.S.

00:48:26.000 citizens are now confirmed killed by those same said weapons, can Biden now be complicit in charge with a war crime?

00:48:33.000 I mean, so realistically, it's not going to happen, but I would love to see it.

00:48:38.000 And I think that you could make an argument As to, obviously, like I said, I don't think it's gonna happen, but... Well, I mean, come on, Phil.

00:48:46.000 If we go after Biden over this, we have to go after Obama over Anwar al-Awlaki... Stop, Tim!

00:48:50.000 I can only get so hard!

00:48:52.000 George W. Bush would have to... Yes!

00:48:55.000 We'll just go down the line!

00:48:56.000 We can keep going.

00:48:58.000 They all need to go.

00:49:00.000 Bush would have to be floated.

00:49:05.000 Yeah, I mean, I would love to see it, but again, you know, we live in the real world where the bad guys win.

00:49:09.000 Yeah, I don't know about a war crime.

00:49:11.000 I think...

00:49:13.000 Yeah, I wonder if there's some kind of congressional action for the abject failure in Afghanistan that's resulted in this.

00:49:23.000 I guess the bigger question, though, is are the weapons actually making their way to Hamas, right?

00:49:28.000 You've seen those rumors, Max?

00:49:30.000 From where?

00:49:31.000 Rumors that, say, there's questions and some reporting that I would not say is confirmed that weapons left over in Afghanistan have made their way to Hamas.

00:49:41.000 I mean, Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian Prime Minister, has said weapons from Ukraine that were given to them by the U.S.

00:49:49.000 have made their way there.

00:49:52.000 Very possible.

00:49:53.000 I know they have the capacity to have their own military industry at this point.

00:49:59.000 And there are only a few tunnels going into Gaza that are still active, so they're not... The smuggling networks are weaker than ever before.

00:50:05.000 Interesting.

00:50:08.000 Yeah, well, just to give you some context, if someone other than, like, Hunter Biden's gun that was thrown into a school dumpster and was found by another person, and someone died as a result, there would be harsh consequences for that individual.

00:50:23.000 So I think that would have some kind of a...

00:50:27.000 Contrast to it.

00:50:29.000 But if it was Biden's call to make sure that it was safe to exit Afghanistan, how does this correlate to his gun control initiative?

00:50:36.000 And does he now lose all leverage when it comes to gun reform in the States?

00:50:40.000 He should, but he won't.

00:50:41.000 Come on.

00:50:41.000 The gun reform arguments are going to be emotional.

00:50:46.000 They're not going to have real debates on it.

00:50:47.000 You know?

00:50:49.000 Yeah.

00:50:50.000 I think you're making... I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:50:52.000 Oh, you make an interesting observation about a leader that does something that causes some sort of permanent change in the system that then leads to the downfall of their country.

00:51:01.000 Like, that leader would be strung up and executed by its people.

00:51:05.000 So, like, we're in a very tolerant society right now, for better or worse.

00:51:08.000 And it might actually be tolerant for worse, I'm not sure.

00:51:10.000 But at the very least, he should step down from office after that surrender.

00:51:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:16.000 Anything else?

00:51:18.000 The very last thing is I want to promote the weekly shows on the Discord.

00:51:22.000 We got the Casper morning commute with Sammy Football at 9.30 a.m., the Midday Rush with Fluffy Hobo at 6 p.m., and the Before IRL show with C. Nosky, Olives, Claire, and the esteemed Joey Cannoli at 7, which they all now have musical intros by yours truly.

00:51:39.000 That's awesome.

00:51:40.000 By yours truly.

00:51:41.000 Nice, dude.

00:51:41.000 We have the Friday night music stuff just about set up now too, so we're probably gonna have people playing music on Friday nights again.

00:51:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:47.000 Sick.

00:51:48.000 Well, if you need an intro, let me know.

00:51:51.000 Thanks for calling in, buddy.

00:51:52.000 Cheers, brother.

00:51:54.000 You got it.

00:51:55.000 Last but not least, Shadowbox Design.

00:51:55.000 All right.

00:51:57.000 What's up?

00:51:58.000 We had a good time chatting with you the other day.

00:51:59.000 How are you?

00:52:01.000 I just want to say, I appreciate you guys letting me shout out.

00:52:01.000 Thank you.

00:52:04.000 I'll probably do it again at the end, but I've sold quite a few shirts since then.

00:52:09.000 So straight to my question.

00:52:10.000 This is a question for Max and Tim.

00:52:13.000 I'd say you guys probably have good insight, but obviously the rest of you guys can answer too.

00:52:17.000 With stolen land being a massive issue on the table in this conflict between Israel and Palestine, do you see any parallels between this and our handling of the Native Americans?

00:52:26.000 For example, making treaties that aren't honored and forcing them into certain plots of land, etc.

00:52:31.000 Oh boy.

00:52:31.000 I want to hear what you have to say first.

00:52:36.000 So my views on... Man, I think the issue with American history and the Native Americans... 0.98

00:52:44.000 Uh, war.

00:52:45.000 Conquest.

00:52:46.000 We don't like it.

00:52:47.000 I think my upbringing and my view of human rights and everything based on where we've come to is we don't do these things now.

00:52:55.000 But I don't know how you go back in time and... I guess I'll put it this way.

00:53:00.000 Israel-Palestine is active.

00:53:01.000 It's ongoing right now in a world where we recognize the problems of militaristic colonization.

00:53:09.000 I don't know if I have the moral standing to solve a problem like that that is active.

00:53:15.000 If I look back at what happened with the Native Americans, I'd say there are two principal arguments. 0.99

00:53:19.000 One, many on the right make the argument that, like the Aztecs, for instance, were sacrificing humans and, you know, doing other really awful, fucked up shit. 1.00

00:53:26.000 And therefore, when the Europeans came in, they were like, yo, these people are savages, this is fucked. 0.99

00:53:32.000 But then, of course, there were people who were absolutely not doing that, and they were more so fur traders living up the north, and still got fucked over by people who were Europeans. 1.00

00:53:39.000 Because people are tribalist, even the Europeans are tribalist, and they said, our people fuck your people. 0.99

00:53:44.000 The people who have the bigger guns tend to take whatever they want. 0.99

00:53:46.000 These days, we say, having the bigger gun does not grant you the right to take from someone else.

00:53:52.000 So where we are right now in the United States is, I think there's a limit. 0.96

00:53:56.000 Changing Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day is kind of like, okay, dude, chill the fuck out.

00:54:00.000 Yeah.

00:54:00.000 However, I fully recognize like, yeah, we don't want that stuff anymore.

00:54:03.000 A lot of bad shit happened at the past. 0.68

00:54:05.000 We've learned from those mistakes. 0.99

00:54:06.000 We recognize the bad things.

00:54:08.000 We'll teach the bad things as to why we don't do them again. 0.97

00:54:11.000 As for what is going on right now in Israel and Palestine, dude, I don't fucking know, man.

00:54:15.000 Yes, obviously, like there's an issue of people who had lived there for generations well before the establishment of Israel. 0.66

00:54:20.000 And then you have settlers who come from Europe and people who had also been there.

00:54:23.000 But then you have these arguments I don't know enough about.

00:54:27.000 When I talk to my friends of mine who are Jewish, they say, what was Palestine before, you know, 1920 or whatever?

00:54:32.000 Like my family lived there before and they got kicked out.

00:54:35.000 It's Jerusalem.

00:54:36.000 And that's where, you know, this really just wasn't for that even.

00:54:39.000 Yeah.

00:54:39.000 And it was Rome and I'm just like, dude, I have no idea what the answer is.

00:54:43.000 Cause I'll tell you this.

00:54:45.000 If Israel, let's say right now, just said, that's it, we're flattening Gaza tonight. 0.93

00:54:51.000 All 2.5 million dead. 0.99

00:54:53.000 And they just fucking destroyed it. 0.99

00:54:55.000 And then you'd have the entire Arab world being like, you just massacred all these people, it's war. 0.99

00:54:59.000 And then a thousand years later...

00:55:02.000 You're gonna have people being like, my family, it's my land, and it's just, it's never gonna stop.

00:55:06.000 I don't, I don't know, man.

00:55:07.000 I don't have the answers.

00:55:08.000 I don't know.

00:55:08.000 What do you think, Max?

00:55:09.000 Well, everyone, every American should visit Wounded Knee in South Dakota and just go up there and see the final site of a genocide that took place.

00:55:20.000 Right in our backyard and it's on the second in the second poorest county in America with the highest rate of domestic violence, teen suicide, just desperation and despair.

00:55:30.000 Reminds me a lot of Gaza. 0.99

00:55:33.000 And you go to that site and they have been shafted in every way possible.

00:55:39.000 What happened?

00:55:39.000 Go ahead.

00:55:40.000 I was going to ask, what's that city that was established for the purpose of selling booze to Native Americans?

00:55:44.000 Oh, it's right on the other side on the Nebraska border, and I forget the name.

00:55:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:47.000 But I mean, yeah, the alcohol industry, you know, they're bringing in alcohol because technically it's banned from Pine Ridge, so people go to... Pine Ridge.

00:55:56.000 Pine Ridge is on the South Dakota side, and then they go to, like, I forget what it's called on the Nebraska side.

00:56:02.000 A city established specifically to sell booze to Native Americans.

00:56:04.000 And they just get drunk for days, and it's a drug of mass destruction.

00:56:10.000 Basically, they had been destroyed.

00:56:12.000 The Lakota Sioux had been destroyed through massacres, like Colonel Chivington's massacre at Sand Creek, which was celebrated in an arena-level ceremony, you know, celebrated back in Denver because they thought the natives were such a threat to them.

00:56:27.000 Cause they were waging an armed resistance against their own total dispossession.

00:56:31.000 So it all ended in Wounded Knee.

00:56:33.000 I think it was like 1870 something.

00:56:34.000 1890.

00:56:34.000 Whoa.

00:56:35.000 December 29th, 1890.

00:56:36.000 Okay.

00:56:36.000 some 1870 1890 1890 whoa December 29th 1890 Okay, and all they were doing there was a dance called the

00:56:44.000 ghost dance They had started to follow a prophet who promised to

00:56:47.000 deliver them from the white man with this dance and that dance was

00:56:50.000 illegalized by the authorities and And as they were doing this dance on a hilltop, the 7th Cavalry, formerly of Custer, who had been defeated at...

00:57:00.000 defeated by Sitting Bull, yeah, Little Bighorn, brought in the Gatling guns and massacred them.

00:57:06.000 And now it's a memorial. And you see at that memorial many American flags on the graves

00:57:11.000 because many natives from that very poor reservation have gone to fight in the U.S. military.

00:57:17.000 And they serve in a disproportionate way because it's one of the few ways they can actually get

00:57:22.000 benefits from the government.

00:57:24.000 So the genocide was consolidated, the resistance ended, and Native Americans have either absorbed themselves into U.S. 0.86

00:57:31.000 society or they're working for more sovereignty for their tribal land, but there is no more armed resistance.

00:57:37.000 But it doesn't mean that they feel like so happy about what happened or that this conflict has been settled.

00:57:43.000 They were just crushed and that's what's happening in Israel-Palestine now.

00:57:47.000 Israel is trying to crush the Palestinians and settle it the same way we did with the Native Americans, but the genocide has not been consolidated and the Palestinians have figured out ways of resisting it and being as ruthless as, like, being ruthless in order to prevent it. 0.91

00:58:11.000 I was just going to say, I think the biggest issue for me with both situations is when you come into a place, you either need to, you have to make your intentions clear.

00:58:23.000 You're either there to conquer or you're there to, you know...

00:58:26.000 settle and be part of their culture. And when we came to America, we weren't clear with that. We

00:58:31.000 started to try to negotiate. We started to make treaties.

00:58:34.000 Then we would violate treaties.

00:58:36.000 We would slowly force them onto reservations. We'd trick them into giving up their guns until

00:58:40.000 we got them to the point where they just homogenized or died. Or in this case now,

00:58:44.000 like they live on small reservations that aren't very well, you know, well-funded or well-run.

00:58:48.000 But, but understand...

00:58:50.000 You're saying we, but one of the issues is that several different nations, several factions even, when some, you

00:58:59.000 might have had numerous groups coming from the UK to settle in the United States, not knowing each other, not aligning

00:59:06.000 with each other, not caring.

00:59:06.000 So it's more so a large mass of different people of different agendas from similar locations came in and just

00:59:13.000 started settling, and then there were more of them and they had better weapons and they told the people who were there 0.99

00:59:20.000 to fuck themselves. 0.99

00:59:22.000 And the key thing is that they were settler colonialists whereas like British colonialism was different because they could always go back home to their little island. 1.00

00:59:31.000 These people had nowhere else to go.

00:59:33.000 So it's like we either get the natives off the land and destroy them or we get pushed out. 0.99

00:59:39.000 And that's also what you have in Israel.

00:59:42.000 They are settler colonialists.

00:59:43.000 Many of them, although a lot of them can go back, like have dual European citizenship, many of them see themselves as having no place to go, which is why they are so ruthless. 0.97

00:59:55.000 We've gone pretty late, but if you want to add any final thoughts.

00:59:59.000 I was just going to say, well, one last thing on that topic is that I think it's just very strange for us because very rarely are wars nowadays fought over land specifically.

01:00:11.000 They're usually fought over resources or only land so that they can get resources through there.

01:00:16.000 Like Ukraine, they want the Cutter Turkey Pipeline and stuff.

01:00:19.000 Back to, or just, you know, shouting out my business.

01:00:22.000 I appreciate you guys letting me shout out last time I got quite a few sales, but the pre-orders are still up for five more days on WatchmenClothingCo.com.

01:00:33.000 I really appreciate the support so far from all the listeners and you guys.

01:00:37.000 I freaking can't believe you guys pulled it up on the show.

01:00:40.000 You had me freaking out when you got that.

01:00:43.000 But, and one last thing, Ian.

01:00:46.000 Dude, I love you so much, bro.

01:00:50.000 I pray for you often, and I wholeheartedly believe that you will come to Christ.

01:00:57.000 I really do think that you love God and that you really want to find the truth.

01:01:00.000 A lot of people don't give you credit for what you're really trying to do, so I appreciate that.

01:01:07.000 Also, one message to the Catholics who say that Rome belongs to the church.

01:01:12.000 The temple is in you.

01:01:13.000 Christ died so that he didn't need a physical temple for you to go to anymore.

01:01:17.000 You can talk to him whenever you want.

01:01:19.000 Nice, man.

01:01:19.000 The Holy Land belongs to Rome.

01:01:20.000 All right, man.

01:01:20.000 Thanks for calling in.

01:01:22.000 Thanks.

01:01:22.000 Cheers, brother.

01:01:23.000 Hey, guys.

01:01:24.000 All right.

01:01:25.000 Max, thanks for hanging out.

01:01:26.000 It's been a blast.

01:01:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:27.000 Thanks for giving me a platform, giving me the opportunity to speak to an audience that might be different from the one I usually speak to.

01:01:33.000 I had a great time with the crew.

01:01:35.000 And I learned a lot.

01:01:37.000 And thanks to everyone who didn't agree with me for hearing me out.

01:01:40.000 This is a great opportunity for me.

01:01:42.000 And we'll, of course, we strive to do the inverse.

01:01:45.000 You know, we'll have someone on who's probably got a more pro-Israel bent.

01:01:47.000 We probably actually have them on all the time as it is, so it was great to have you, so I appreciate it.

01:01:52.000 Absolutely.

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