Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Alec Baldwin Facing CRIMINAL Charges Says DA, Manslaughter Possible w-Charles Lehman

00:00:00.000 We have some major updates in the Alec Baldwin case, the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

00:00:16.000 Man, two big stories.

00:00:18.000 We just couldn't figure out which one was more important, but we opted for the Alec Baldwin one because, well, the case with Kyle Rittenhouse is gonna be coming up the next week or so, so we're gonna have a lot of time to talk about that, but we will talk about both.

00:00:30.000 In the case of Alec Baldwin, The district attorney says that charges are possible for Alec Baldwin, and two separate high-profile legal analysts, lawyers, have laid out the case as to why Alec Baldwin may be facing at least involuntary manslaughter charges.

00:00:47.000 Now, in order to get anything higher than that, they'd have to find some kind of intent, and that's all they would need.

00:00:53.000 Seriously, a prosecutor could find out that she, you know, she once stole 20 bucks from his wallet, and then he could try and make the argument.

00:00:59.000 It's not a good argument.

00:01:01.000 But right now, this analysis from Andrew Branca is actually really poignant.

00:01:07.000 That Alec Baldwin pointed a gun, pulled the trigger, and had every opportunity to inspect the weapon and did not do it.

00:01:14.000 And then, you know, I'll add, he's been trained over multiple decades working in films, knowing firearm safety.

00:01:20.000 There were already negligent discharges on set that crew had protested over, so you're really close to getting, like, more than manslaughter.

00:01:27.000 But at the very least, that's what we could be seeing.

00:01:30.000 Now as for Kyle Rittenhouse, this is the kid in Kenosha, and I'm sure many of you are familiar with this.

00:01:35.000 Things are looking pretty good.

00:01:36.000 At least so far.

00:01:37.000 In a pre-trial hearing, the judge ruled that the men who lost their lives cannot be called victims.

00:01:41.000 I guess the argument is, the whole case is whether or not Kyle Rittenhouse was justified in doing what he did.

00:01:47.000 Was it self-defense?

00:01:48.000 To refer to these men as victims basically paints the picture that the answer is no.

00:01:53.000 We know Kyle killed these people.

00:01:55.000 The question is, was it warranted?

00:01:57.000 So the judge has outright said, you can't call them victims, but you can call them looters, rioters, and arsonists.

00:02:03.000 And there was even a point where the prosecution tried arguing that this man, you know, who was shot, there's no evidence that he attacked anyone else.

00:02:11.000 It's just arson.

00:02:13.000 And the judge snaps and goes, just arson?

00:02:16.000 Come on, I can't believe what you're trying to tell me!

00:02:18.000 It was crazy to see the judge snap at the prosecutor because, well, let's be real, the prosecutors don't have much to go on.

00:02:25.000 You had riots going on for several days and for weeks across the country.

00:02:29.000 The police had said thank you to Kyle Rittenhouse as he was showing up and gave him water.

00:02:34.000 That's going to be a tough case, but we'll see.

00:02:36.000 The jury could be absolutely biased.

00:02:37.000 So we've got a bunch of other news to talk about.

00:02:39.000 Joining us is Charles Lehman.

00:02:41.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:02:42.000 Yeah, Tim, thanks for having me on.

00:02:43.000 My name's Charles Van Leeman.

00:02:45.000 I'm a Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, Tribute Editor at City Journal.

00:02:48.000 I work on all things urban policy, especially crime, which obviously is very relevant to really both of these stories.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, this'll be great!

00:02:57.000 And then we're also going to talk about impeaching Biden because before the show, he said the Republicans are going to win and they are going to impeach Biden.

00:03:04.000 And I really want to talk about that.

00:03:06.000 So we'll do that.

00:03:07.000 We got Luke as well.

00:03:08.000 So the shirt I'm wearing right now first appeared on the vlog and I saw it and I'm like, I love it.

00:03:08.000 Yep.

00:03:13.000 I have to copy it.

00:03:14.000 And it says I tested positive for freedom.

00:03:16.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:03:17.000 Hold on.

00:03:18.000 That was Kent's idea for that.

00:03:19.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:03:20.000 Kent, I got to send you a shirt and maybe some royalties.

00:03:24.000 We'll talk.

00:03:25.000 But I saw that.

00:03:26.000 We had a similar version.

00:03:27.000 It said something almost exactly the same, but just a little bit different.

00:03:32.000 And I was like, this is too perfect.

00:03:34.000 I need to copy it.

00:03:35.000 We got to make one because in the vlog the other day, Kent has you wearing a shirt that says, Step on Snek and find Find out.

00:03:41.000 I like that one too.

00:03:42.000 I'm like, we got to do that one as well.

00:03:44.000 So Kent, we got to talk and you can get your shirt exclusively on thebestpoliticalshirts.com

00:03:50.000 and you could also support me here at the same time by doing so.

00:03:52.000 And we also opened up mail yesterday, which was really fun.

00:03:55.000 I got a bunch of cool stuff like this Polish solidarity sign and a garbage pale kids Luke 1.00

00:04:01.000 puke card, which is really freaking awesome.

00:04:04.000 So I got a bunch of stuff.

00:04:05.000 I got a lot of stuff to hang up on the wall.

00:04:07.000 So really, how do you say solidarity in Polish?

00:04:09.000 solidarity. Like the guys going through the Soviet government.

00:04:14.000 Yes, the kind of union of people coming together saying we really don't like communism.

00:04:17.000 That was a great he patted me on the head when I was a little baby. Wow. Yeah, that was the name of the big

00:04:21.000 movement in Poland Yes, the the kind of Union of people coming together saying

00:04:25.000 we really don't like communism We like to eat and we prefer food over stamps, but they

00:04:30.000 said we don't like communists or Nazis Exactly.

00:04:33.000 Like it's all bad.

00:04:34.000 Exactly.

00:04:34.000 So the Polish have a long history of resisting left-wing and right-wing tyranny and I'm very proud of my heritage and my people and my great-grandparents paid the ultimate price fighting all of those crazy ideologies and I want to make sure we don't have to fight them here.

00:04:48.000 Right on.

00:04:49.000 You know, I also received, that was actually really beautiful, what you just said, this amazing coin from 600 AD.

00:04:56.000 They're about Emperor Phocas from the Byzantine Emperor.

00:04:58.000 So cool!

00:04:59.000 Byzantine Empire.

00:05:00.000 I mean, this person understands my obsession with ancient artifacts, so thank you.

00:05:04.000 And I really want to give a shout out to B&B Forge and Leather Company, who forged this by hand.

00:05:09.000 It's a knife.

00:05:10.000 Look at this thing.

00:05:11.000 This is a cutting knife that I'm going to be using in my cooking shows in the future, probably for years to come.

00:05:15.000 It is incredible.

00:05:17.000 You guys, this guy forged it by hand and sent me the document of the process.

00:05:20.000 So thank you so much.

00:05:22.000 That's so neat.

00:05:22.000 And check out the Cast Castle vlog if you want to see us opening this stuff.

00:05:25.000 I think it'll be live tomorrow, this episode.

00:05:28.000 That was actually super fun.

00:05:29.000 We went downstairs last night after the show and we opened a bunch of those things.

00:05:32.000 That was a lot of fun.

00:05:33.000 It was very much like Christmas.

00:05:34.000 I really appreciate all of you guys for sending us stuff.

00:05:37.000 I'm excited for this evening too.

00:05:38.000 Let's get going.

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00:06:20.000 And, uh, let's get into this first big story.

00:06:22.000 We got this from the New York Times.

00:06:24.000 Criminal charges possible in shooting on Alec Baldwin's set, DA says.

00:06:28.000 An inquiry into how a cinematographer was killed with a gun the actor was rehearsing

00:06:32.000 with, which was not supposed to have live rounds in it, could take weeks.

00:06:35.000 They said the Santa Fe County District Attorney said on Tuesday that she was not ruling out

00:06:39.000 criminal charges in last week's fatal shooting on a film set.

00:06:43.000 Alec Baldwin was rehearsing with a gun that he had been told did not contain live ammo when it went off, killing the film's cinematographer.

00:06:49.000 So we know this.

00:06:50.000 Now, I've got a few questions.

00:06:51.000 First, let me just read this quote.

00:06:53.000 DA Mary Carmack-Altwee says we haven't ruled out anything.

00:06:58.000 Everything at this point, including criminal charges, is on the table.

00:07:01.000 I just want to point out, the entire time this story has been in the news cycle, Alec Baldwin has been given every benefit of the doubt, and it's been wrong every time.

00:07:10.000 The first thing they said was, it was a blank, and it was a misfire.

00:07:14.000 Now, then we learned from the Union, it wasn't a blank, but it was a misfire.

00:07:18.000 Now we're learning Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger.

00:07:21.000 It wasn't a misfire.

00:07:22.000 Negligent discharge.

00:07:24.000 You know, I think that's even interesting too.

00:07:27.000 Was it negligent discharge or was it Alec Baldwin intentionally discharging the weapon?

00:07:32.000 That's why this starts to get into criminal territory.

00:07:35.000 And there's also a lot of people complaining about the production cutting corners, a lot of staff saying that they were terrified because the guns were going off beforehand incorrectly.

00:07:44.000 And hearing, you know, misfire by the mainstream media, it doesn't tell the story here at all.

00:07:49.000 So we're seeing a concerted effort to try to murky the waters already.

00:07:54.000 So at least, at least there should be an investigation here to find out what really happened.

00:07:59.000 Misfire specifically means the gun didn't go off.

00:08:01.000 So that's incredible negligence by the media saying that.

00:08:04.000 Twice.

00:08:04.000 Yeah, they were obsessing about it.

00:08:06.000 It's like fully semi-automatic.

00:08:07.000 Yeah.

00:08:08.000 They don't know what they're talking about.

00:08:10.000 Whether he intended to or not, it was a negligent discharge, and I think it... I mean, there were three people that I can tell are involved.

00:08:15.000 Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is the armorer who handed the weapon to Dave Halls, who was the assistant director, who handed the gun to Alec and told him it was cold.

00:08:22.000 We don't know that.

00:08:23.000 Well, this is according to this story from LATimes.com.

00:08:26.000 What I'm saying, you know, I hear you.

00:08:28.000 What I'm saying is we've been told every step of the way one thing and then only to find out later that wasn't true.

00:08:33.000 So one of the details that I read was that there were three different guns and someone walked over and grabbed one. 0.99

00:08:39.000 So I kind of feel like him claiming he told Alec it was cold is just them covering, you know, their asses. 0.97

00:08:45.000 I think this is from the director's testimony. 0.96

00:08:49.000 They got a hold of the director and they're like, what happened?

00:08:50.000 He's like, dude, I mean, it's gruesome.

00:08:53.000 You really want to hear about what happened?

00:08:54.000 The girl was paralyzed by the bullet first. 0.53

00:08:56.000 Couldn't feel her legs.

00:08:58.000 And then she died.

00:08:59.000 It's absolutely horrible.

00:09:01.000 Negligent.

00:09:01.000 I mean, you want to... This is...

00:09:06.000 You know, for someone who lectures about how dangerous firearms are, he sure didn't take this matter seriously.

00:09:12.000 Well, so I kind of feel like manslaughter is possible, but you know, when I was bringing this up earlier, Charles, you were just like, never gonna happen.

00:09:20.000 No, I, well, I mean, you know, the...

00:09:22.000 Look, the calculus is ultimately political.

00:09:25.000 It's like, does the Santa Fe prosecutor, what are her aspirations, and does she want a media trial?

00:09:30.000 Does she want to navigate a media trial? 1.00

00:09:32.000 I suspect the answer is no.

00:09:34.000 A, I don't think the trial happened that he would be convicted.

00:09:37.000 I don't think the jury's going to convict.

00:09:38.000 I think he's too sympathetic.

00:09:39.000 And B, I don't think there's any interest in actually going out and prosecuting the case.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, just from a political perspective.

00:09:46.000 I don't know what happened.

00:09:47.000 I don't think you know what happened.

00:09:48.000 I think we can guess, but I think it is unlikely.

00:09:51.000 Nobody wants that heat.

00:09:53.000 Nobody wants the attention of a celebrity murder case.

00:09:57.000 Less people hate him, and people like Alec Baldwin. 1.00

00:09:59.000 He's kind of a jerk, people like Alec Baldwin. 0.99

00:10:02.000 Half the country does, and that's the big issue. 1.00

00:10:05.000 When it comes to issues like Kyle Rittenhouse, Derek Chauvin, we know Antifa will go around and smash up windows and burn down buildings, and the right won't do anything like that.

00:10:13.000 So there's already an obvious, you know, it flows in one direction.

00:10:17.000 The prosecutor's gonna look at this and be like, okay, let's say we do go after Alec Baldwin.

00:10:21.000 We're gonna get a bunch of crazed, you know, lefty types screaming in our faces, yelling at us, and let's say we don't prosecute them.

00:10:29.000 Nothing happens.

00:10:30.000 Okay, so which do we choose?

00:10:31.000 I think Lady Justice is blind, and if an actor negligently discharges a weapon that he should have inspected and kills someone, that a manslaughter charge is warranted.

00:10:43.000 Well, let me read this from Legal Insurrection.

00:10:46.000 This is where it gets interesting, because the DEA is saying they could have criminal charges, and Andrew Bronco, we've had on the show before, he's got excellent analysis on the Rittenhouse case, which we, you know, and we'll talk about that case in a second.

00:10:56.000 They say, Alec Baldwin situation beginning to look a lot like manslaughter.

00:11:00.000 The more we learn about the fact of the case, within the context of New Mexico criminal law, the more this shooting looks increasingly like a crime.

00:11:07.000 Specifically, felony involuntary manslaughter.

00:11:11.000 He goes on to say the relevant facts assumed to be established.

00:11:14.000 That it was Alec Baldwin who was manipulating the gun that fired the projectile that killed Ms.

00:11:18.000 Hutchins.

00:11:18.000 2.

00:11:18.000 That the gun discharged because the trigger was depressed by Baldwin, and not because of some defect in the weapon.

00:11:25.000 3.

00:11:25.000 The muzzle of the weapon was directed towards Ms.

00:11:27.000 Hutchins by Baldwin when it was fired.

00:11:30.000 E.g., she was not killed by an unpredictable ricochet.

00:11:34.000 4.

00:11:34.000 The gun contained a live round, the bullet of which struck and killed Ms.

00:11:37.000 Hutchins.

00:11:38.000 5.

00:11:38.000 That Baldwin had the opportunity to inspect the weapon for live ammo before he directed it at Ms.

00:11:44.000 Hutchins and pressed the trigger, killing her.

00:11:46.000 And lastly, there was no justification for the shooting of Ms. 1.00

00:11:49.000 Hutchins.

00:11:51.000 Now, interestingly, some of these recently are new developments, such as that he pulled the trigger, that he pointed it at the woman, and then he pulled the trigger.

00:12:00.000 Initially, people were saying misfire, as if to claim that, like, I heard one report they were like, oh, someone pulled the hammer back and handed it to him, and then when he was holding it, it just went off.

00:12:09.000 Like, as if that's what misfire meant.

00:12:11.000 No, misfire means it didn't shoot.

00:12:12.000 This was negligent discharge.

00:12:14.000 The other relevant factors which I've stated, but for the context right now, I'll say again.

00:12:18.000 There is a witness who, uh, not a witness, but I guess you could say a character witness, someone who's worked with Baldwin, who says that they worked with him in the past and he was always very careful.

00:12:26.000 That was back in, I think, the 80s or something.

00:12:27.000 That means Alec Baldwin has decades of firearms training on set.

00:12:31.000 He's a producer of the film.

00:12:33.000 There were already negligent discharges on the set that crew had complained about, so you can't say he didn't know.

00:12:41.000 Then he was handed a weapon, aimed at the woman, and pulled the trigger.

00:12:44.000 That sounds like, that sounds intentional.

00:12:47.000 From a legal perspective, not a strong point of legality, but from a firearm safety perspective,

00:12:52.000 the number one rule of even a prop gun is that you don't point it at somebody unless

00:12:56.000 you're willing to pull the trigger. And as you were saying, for somebody who's so

00:13:00.000 aware of how dangerous firearms can be, there's no reason to point a prop gun at somebody who

00:13:07.000 you're not actively using. I don't know if he was aware.

00:13:09.000 If he was aware, I think this would have been prevented.

00:13:11.000 He sure preaches a lot, a lot of this political ideology against people who want to have the right to defend themselves.

00:13:18.000 The first rule of firearm handling... Every time... One of my former colleagues, a guy named Steven Gutowski, who now runs... He runs a gun news site called The Reload.

00:13:28.000 But he's one of the best firearm reporters in America right now.

00:13:32.000 And Steven took a bunch of us shooting at the NRA range.

00:13:36.000 It was a good time.

00:13:38.000 And the first thing that they tell you, everybody in that room is viscerally aware of the importance of trigger discipline, of being wearing your safeties on, wearing your safeties off, of where you're pointing your gun, only ever pointing the gun downrange.

00:13:50.000 If it's loaded, only ever point it down.

00:13:52.000 Like these are, you know, if you genuinely believe this is a deadly weapon, or if you believe this is a facsimile of a deadly weapon, you have to treat it as such, because it will always be loaded.

00:14:00.000 Let's think about the absurdity of the argument I keep hearing from people defending Alec Baldwin.

00:14:04.000 It's the most insane thing ever.

00:14:05.000 I'm getting all these tweets where they're like, clearly Tim has never been on set before.

00:14:09.000 And they're saying things like, tell me you've never been on a movie set without actually telling me you've been on a movie set.

00:14:14.000 I just want you to imagine.

00:14:16.000 That you're on a movie set.

00:14:18.000 And I've been on sets before.

00:14:19.000 I've been on sets of TV shows and films.

00:14:22.000 And I just want you to imagine.

00:14:24.000 You're working.

00:14:25.000 You're a PA or whatever.

00:14:26.000 You got, you know, look at the Warner Brothers water tower.

00:14:29.000 And then all of a sudden you see Alec Baldwin pull out a gun and point it at you.

00:14:33.000 And you're gonna be like, this is totally fine!

00:14:35.000 It's Hollywood!

00:14:36.000 People point guns at everybody all the time!

00:14:39.000 There's nothing weird about this at all.

00:14:42.000 No, if that actually happened, people would be screaming and running.

00:14:47.000 Yet, for some reason here, Alec Baldwin drew a gun, pointed it, shot, killed somebody.

00:14:55.000 And they're acting like it's normal.

00:14:57.000 It's not normal.

00:14:58.000 It looks like they were in the middle of a shot.

00:15:01.000 Crazy word, shot.

00:15:03.000 They're in the middle of this take, and they got bad light, so they had to move the camera.

00:15:08.000 And it's like, momentary lapse of thought.

00:15:12.000 I think that all three of these people, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, Dave Halls, and Alec Baldwin are all culpable for this killing.

00:15:17.000 Ultimately, Alec's responsibility.

00:15:19.000 All three of them deserve to be investigated and charged for this.

00:15:23.000 No, I disagree.

00:15:25.000 The woman who was the armorer, she made a mistake but she didn't point a weapon at somebody. 1.00

00:15:29.000 She handed someone a loaded gun.

00:15:30.000 So what?

00:15:30.000 So that's illegal.

00:15:32.000 Well, she handed... Actually, I don't think she even handed the weapon to somebody.

00:15:36.000 It was the assistant director who picked the gun up and handed it to Baldwin.

00:15:39.000 Okay.

00:15:40.000 So she's got guns and someone comes up and grabs one. 0.98

00:15:45.000 I don't think necessarily that that's criminal.

00:15:48.000 It's her job to have the weapons on set.

00:15:50.000 According to the story, they went to lunch and then they came back and they just gave... So someone, while they were away at lunch, the guns were unattended.

00:15:56.000 Yep.

00:15:57.000 That's the armorer's fault.

00:15:59.000 Yeah, but I don't know if that's, like, are you implying that while they're away someone snuck in and put a live bullet in the gun?

00:16:05.000 It's possible, yeah.

00:16:06.000 But in that case, the person who put the bullet in there is at fault.

00:16:08.000 Definitely.

00:16:09.000 There's reports that some of the staff were using the gun for target practice even before that with live ammunition.

00:16:17.000 So, I mean, this goes along with the kind of narrative that we've been hearing, that they've been cutting corners, that they were just trying to make sure that they produced this movie as cheap as possible.

00:16:25.000 The staff were protesting.

00:16:27.000 They were mad.

00:16:27.000 They walked off set for safety concerns before this incident.

00:16:30.000 They walked off set because of conditions that they said weren't right on this movie set, but Alec Baldwin and the production staff still continued, and I mean, this is where we are right now.

00:16:41.000 We have a story from Fox News.

00:16:43.000 I say, Mark, how do you pronounce that?

00:16:45.000 Geragos?

00:16:46.000 Famed lawyer says he'd be shocked if involuntary manslaughter not brought in Baldwin-Rust shooting.

00:16:51.000 I gotta be honest.

00:16:53.000 I agree with you.

00:16:53.000 I'd be shocked if there are charges brought.

00:16:56.000 This is a guy who is an establishment activist, you know?

00:16:59.000 She was really well-loved though.

00:17:01.000 And he has a lot of money.

00:17:02.000 In the legal system here in the United States, it doesn't matter if you're right and wrong.

00:17:06.000 It matters how much money you have.

00:17:07.000 It matters what kind of lawyers you could hire.

00:17:09.000 And he's gonna hire, if there is charges, he's gonna hire the best lawyers that they are that will give him the best justice that he could afford.

00:17:17.000 And he could afford a lot of it.

00:17:19.000 So let's just be honest how the legal system works here because a lot of times it doesn't matter what happened.

00:17:23.000 A lot of times it matters who you got on your side and how much money you got.

00:17:26.000 So you think he'll throw the blame on Dave Halls who had it in the gun and said it was unloaded?

00:17:30.000 I think there's many avenues here.

00:17:32.000 I don't know.

00:17:33.000 But there's many different avenues that I see them running with potentially here.

00:17:37.000 I think... I think there's gonna... no one's gonna get in trouble for anything.

00:17:41.000 They're gonna say it was an accident.

00:17:43.000 Oh, we're so sorry.

00:17:44.000 He's gonna make a donation.

00:17:45.000 It'll all just go away.

00:17:47.000 I'm not obsessed with punishment.

00:17:49.000 I definitely think that throwing someone in jail isn't necessarily the best way to make sure they don't commit a crime again.

00:17:55.000 But I definitely think this looks like a manslaughter.

00:17:57.000 I agree.

00:17:58.000 Like, what would jailing Alec Baldwin do to prevent him from doing this again?

00:18:02.000 I kind of feel like he won't do this again, you know?

00:18:05.000 But people want some kind of emotional satisfaction.

00:18:09.000 Well, it's not just emotional satisfaction, right?

00:18:11.000 The justice system serves a variety of functions, but retribution is not just about emotional satisfaction with the public, it's about the fact that there was a real harm done Regardless of intent, and there has to be some response to that.

00:18:23.000 The absence of the response is harmful.

00:18:24.000 I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out, yeah, I'm trying to get over here what the deal is with the district attorney who's, you know, going to be, uh, district attorney's offices are highly politicized today in 2021, the way they were five, 10 years ago.

00:18:35.000 Um, it's, she seems like a, she, she seems like a career professional, but you know, she has an enormous amount of power in making these decisions. 0.98

00:18:44.000 It turns on, it turns on her, uh, essentially unlimited discretion whether or not to break charges.

00:18:49.000 You know, actually, you bring that up, it's actually really simple.

00:18:52.000 Is she a Democrat or Republican?

00:18:53.000 I didn't look it up, but she's Santa Fe District Attorney.

00:18:57.000 She's a Democrat.

00:18:58.000 She's elected.

00:18:58.000 Man, he's not going anywhere.

00:19:00.000 Yeah, he's good.

00:19:00.000 It sounds like maybe you were implying that if nothing happens, if no charges come, that actors in the future won't really care if they happen to also issue a negligent discharge.

00:19:10.000 Oh no, I think they will.

00:19:11.000 I mean, I think deterrence matters as well for punishment, right?

00:19:15.000 But like, in this case, it's not about deterring Alec Baldwin.

00:19:18.000 It's not about deterring other people.

00:19:20.000 Like, Alec Baldwin's probably not going to go out and shoot a bunch of people.

00:19:24.000 But it is about, like, the primary function of the justice system in this case is adjudicating to what extent the person who was harmed was harmed in a way that violated the law.

00:19:33.000 And then if that's true, how they can get reciprocity for that harm.

00:19:38.000 Yeah, a civil suit's coming, and Alec's gonna be paying out millions to the family.

00:19:42.000 Regardless of criminal culpability, Alec Baldwin is responsible.

00:19:46.000 And it's remarkable how many stands for Baldwin can't accept that.

00:19:48.000 I'm a big fan of his work in 30 Rock.

00:19:50.000 You know, Jack Donaghy is one of the funniest characters in a TV show.

00:19:53.000 30 Rock's amazing.

00:19:55.000 You know, and he's in Beetlejuice.

00:19:57.000 Great, good for him.

00:19:58.000 He's kind of a bad person, but I can separate the art from the person.

00:20:01.000 But, you know, let's talk about the inverted story now.

00:20:06.000 We got this with Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:20:07.000 This one actually really surprises me.

00:20:09.000 This is from NPR.

00:20:11.000 Prosecutors cannot call those shot by Kyle Rittenhouse victims.

00:20:15.000 A judge has ruled, and he also ruled, they can call them arsonists, rioters, and looters.

00:20:23.000 I didn't see this coming.

00:20:23.000 There's been a few rulings in favor of Kyle Rittenhouse in these pre-trial hearings.

00:20:27.000 The trial, I believe, is what, six days?

00:20:29.000 November 1st, it's supposed to start.

00:20:31.000 November 1st!

00:20:32.000 Yup, any day now.

00:20:34.000 Oh man.

00:20:35.000 Jury selection is coming up.

00:20:36.000 I was saying before that I thought Kyle Rittenhouse was going to get life in prison.

00:20:40.000 Right.

00:20:40.000 Because the jury is going to be unwilling to go up against the riots.

00:20:45.000 When those riots happened in Kenosha, the only people who came out and did anything was, for the most part, Rittenhouse and the people with him, the militia guys.

00:20:53.000 The cops said, thank you for being here and gave them water.

00:20:57.000 But do you think the jurors are happy about that?

00:21:00.000 I'm sure they're just like, I wish there was no conflict.

00:21:02.000 Now, if they side with Rittenhouse and those individuals, maybe they can cross their fingers that those people will come out and defend their neighborhood after the riots happen, or they can say, you know, just, he's guilty and he can go to jail and then we don't gotta worry about riots at all.

00:21:15.000 This is going to be a very important case because a lot of people are betting on this case.

00:21:19.000 A lot of people, you know, there's a lot of implications here.

00:21:22.000 Betting like in Vegas?

00:21:23.000 A lot of people are doubling down and investing in this and a lot of people are threatening to riot.

00:21:28.000 A lot of people are threatening a lot of civil disobedience.

00:21:31.000 A lot of people are threatening to do violence to others if this court decision doesn't go the way that they want it to go.

00:21:37.000 So you see this politicized in so many different ways, and that's why it's going to be so difficult to actually get true justice here, I believe, because of how many people from the outside are involved in this, how many people are investing into this.

00:21:52.000 And what I mean by betting, I mean putting political capital into this, because a lot of this hangs in the balance of where this country is going to go.

00:22:01.000 That's how a lot of people see it.

00:22:03.000 And if they see if Kyle wins, this is going to be a plus for the right-wingers.

00:22:07.000 If Kyle loses, this is going to be good for the left-wingers.

00:22:10.000 And these are big sides that are mounting a lot of power behind this major court decision.

00:22:16.000 I think that it's right he's a totem.

00:22:18.000 I mean, I don't have a strong opinion on the case.

00:22:21.000 That's why we have an adversarial criminal justice system. 0.88

00:22:25.000 The jury should know more about it than I do.

00:22:27.000 But I do think the context of the case This sort of, like, temporary collapse of civil society that happened last summer is the context in which this all became possible.

00:22:37.000 It's the context in which, like, a teenager, justifiably or not, was out patrolling the street with a weapon.

00:22:44.000 Like, something deeper has gone wrong that you get to that point, regardless of whether or not he was justified in the individual shot.

00:22:52.000 You said temporary collapse.

00:22:54.000 Well, they aren't currently, okay, they're not doing great in Minneapolis, but they aren't currently having exactly, in Kenosha, they're not having exactly the same level of rioting that they were having.

00:23:05.000 I think this is a symptom of the greater problem, which is the collapse of civil society.

00:23:09.000 If you take a look at the federal level politics, if you take a look at even state to state politics, it just, right now, it just feels like the law is, if you are in line with the party in power, you're good.

00:23:23.000 If you're not, You're out.

00:23:24.000 Democrats control most of the cultural institutions, basically all of them.

00:23:27.000 Right now they have Congress and the executive branch.

00:23:32.000 And as much as conservatives might, you know, people might claim the conservatives have the Supreme Court, it's still kind of an establishment conservative based on the Supreme Court, not a populist Trump-supporting one.

00:23:40.000 So what happens?

00:23:41.000 Well, Alec Baldwin likely will, you know, face no charges.

00:23:45.000 Kyle Rittenhouse is facing very serious homicide charges.

00:23:48.000 And the crazy thing is, There's a lot of people that want to say Rittenhouse is a hero.

00:23:52.000 And I don't think we need to say that.

00:23:53.000 I think the situation was bad all around and people shouldn't have been there, but it's hard to discern exactly how it should have went down.

00:24:01.000 I'm not gonna pretend to have all the answers.

00:24:02.000 But when you have someone like Destiny, who is the leftist streamer, he got banned from Twitch's partner program for saying definitively this was the clearest case of self-defense he'd ever seen or something to that effect.

00:24:14.000 The fact that they charged him with homicide and these very serious charges says to me they're expecting to fail.

00:24:20.000 So my favorite example is, did you follow the case of the two New York highly educated lawyers who got picked up?

00:24:29.000 Colin Firmatis.

00:24:29.000 Yes.

00:24:30.000 The Molotov cocktail ones?

00:24:32.000 Yeah, the two people who went out and threw Molotov cocktails at cop cars.

00:24:37.000 What I love about that story is the rallying to their defense.

00:24:41.000 If you go look at federal records, there were lots of people who got picked up for arson charges, like guys who threw molester cocktails at the courthouse in Seattle, people who burned out cop cars.

00:24:54.000 And yet, peculiarly, these are the ones who got a full court press in the media.

00:25:00.000 These two highly educated, well-connected activists slash lawyers who decided they would go out joyriding with You know, explosives and attack a cop car.

00:25:09.000 Handing them out?

00:25:10.000 Weren't they giving them out to people?

00:25:12.000 Yeah.

00:25:15.000 And they received, like, adulatory attention.

00:25:18.000 And the reason is because they know the people who know the people who write the coverage.

00:25:24.000 They are in the position of power.

00:25:26.000 And so they eventually, they pled guilty.

00:25:29.000 They're going to go to sentencing.

00:25:30.000 I think they're not.

00:25:31.000 The statute of actions is 10 years.

00:25:32.000 It's not going to get 10 years.

00:25:33.000 They're not getting it.

00:25:33.000 Nobody gets the statute of actions.

00:25:35.000 There's major media organizations running defense for them.

00:25:38.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 I mean, I mean, this goes along with what was happening last summer.

00:25:42.000 I mean, dozens of people were murdered.

00:25:43.000 People were burned alive.

00:25:45.000 And then we had people like Kamala Harris raising money for them to get them bailed out of jail. 1.00

00:25:49.000 So that tells you they found.

00:25:51.000 In the Minneapolis riots, it was what, like a month after a building had burnt to the ground, they found a corpse.

00:25:58.000 They didn't even know.

00:25:58.000 It was the missing person.

00:25:59.000 They're like, oh, the writers.

00:26:01.000 Yeah, the writers killed him. 0.81

00:26:02.000 The murderers killed him.

00:26:04.000 And you know, what's important about this is not just the like.

00:26:09.000 The rioting happens.

00:26:10.000 It's the normalization, the cultural normalization of rioting and simultaneously the approbation for law enforcement.

00:26:17.000 Those were simultaneous phenomena.

00:26:20.000 The real problem we were being told as our cities were burning was that the cops are too tough.

00:26:27.000 Would that be considered murder if you burned a building down and there's a person inside that you didn't know was in there?

00:26:32.000 Of course.

00:26:33.000 But at the same time, a lot of people were unhappy with the cops, even on the right, because of the lockdowns.

00:26:38.000 Cops are coming along, shutting down small mom-and-pop businesses.

00:26:41.000 People on the right were like, wait, wait, wait, what is this back to blue flag that I have here that absolutely is hypocritical for me to have if I actually believe in personal freedom and liberty?

00:26:51.000 I was told coming in that I was gonna have to be the one defending the cops.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, I think, look, the responsibility, maybe you don't want to look at that particular topic now, but in general, the responsibility of the police is to preserve civil order and enforce the laws written.

00:27:08.000 Yeah, and you know, allow Walmart and Costco to be open while they shut down the small mom-and-pop businesses.

00:27:13.000 Would you say that's ethical and right and moral?

00:27:16.000 No, I would not say that's ethical or right and moral.

00:27:18.000 I would also say that the root of the problem is not with policing as an institution.

00:27:23.000 Well I think I think policing just in general obeying ... orders from bureaucrats when they're immoral illegal and ... decrees is is a huge moral problem in this country and ... why a lot of people on the right didn't support them when ... Black Lives Matter stepped onto the streets and we're ... saying hey we don't like these cops a lot of right-wingers ...

00:27:41.000 Yeah, they got a point.

00:27:42.000 I don't like them either because of what they just did to me.

00:27:43.000 It's the same attitude of concern or opposition to civil society.

00:27:50.000 It's like, look, at the end of the day, we live in a society that has rules.

00:27:53.000 You don't have to like the rules.

00:27:54.000 We're processed for changing these rules.

00:27:55.000 I think there's a problem that this process has become increasingly abstracted from democratic accountability.

00:28:01.000 That's bad.

00:28:03.000 But at the end of the day, if you don't like the rules, you still have to follow them.

00:28:05.000 If you don't, we don't have a society anymore.

00:28:07.000 We can't live in a society where you can be free to throw a Molotov cocktail at people and get free defense in the press.

00:28:17.000 And while I agree that unequal fortune is bad and baton rules are bad, the ground trust in that law and order, I think, is critical for running a stable, functioning polity.

00:28:27.000 And you're right, except, when it comes to Luke's examples, the police were shutting down businesses by decree, without legislative process.

00:28:35.000 So these were cops who were saying, look, it's not a law, it's not democratic, it's not legal, but the guy who signs my checks told me to do it, so I'm gonna do it anyway.

00:28:43.000 And they did it selectively, so the politician's friends got to do whatever they wanted to, the billionaire class.

00:28:47.000 Well, take a look at de Blasio painting Black Lives Matter in the street, and then sending 27 cops to defend that.

00:28:52.000 That was an illegal seizure of taxpayer dollars.

00:28:56.000 Sure, sure.

00:28:57.000 I think hypocrisy on the part of executives is a major problem throughout the pandemic.

00:29:00.000 If it's Gavin Newsom dining at... The French restaurant, the Laundry restaurant.

00:29:06.000 The French Laundry.

00:29:08.000 If it's all the big city mayors who have been caught not wearing masks or they continue to impose mask mandates in their cities, it's a major problem.

00:29:17.000 Biden administration officials keep getting picked up not wearing masks in public.

00:29:21.000 On the Amtrak, There was an incident in North Jersey where when they shut down all the businesses, a woman was doing a Facebook live stream showing off the things she sold and cops came to her business and said, ma'am, you need to close.

00:29:38.000 And she goes, what are you talking about?

00:29:39.000 We are closed.

00:29:40.000 And they're like, no, turn your phone off.

00:29:42.000 That's the crazy thing.

00:29:43.000 There was no law saying you couldn't post a video online and say, hey, I got stuff.

00:29:47.000 You want to buy it?

00:29:47.000 And the cops came and threatened her.

00:29:50.000 Who are these cops?

00:29:51.000 These are the people, so this is the problem I have.

00:29:54.000 If this is the direction policing is going, where cops are quitting over vaccine mandates, they're refusing to abide by the edicts, and those who will abide by the edict are staying in place, then we don't have what you described.

00:30:06.000 Police officers keeping civil society, you know, functioning and enforcing the rules.

00:30:12.000 What we have are people who are not enforcing the rules, who are just acting as lackeys for despots who are ruling by decree.

00:30:19.000 In which case, we need to stop that.

00:30:21.000 Now, if abolishing the police is too extreme, and maybe it is, then we need to fire all the cops that are unwilling to abide by the law, and then hire cops who are.

00:30:30.000 And how we do that?

00:30:31.000 Maybe it's a review process then.

00:30:32.000 But all of these cops that are remaining right now need to be questioned.

00:30:36.000 It's like, hey, we have you on video shutting down a small business by decree.

00:30:40.000 We're firing you because of that. 0.96

00:30:41.000 Or we have a video of you beating a black man in the street for no reason. 0.97

00:30:45.000 Yeah, you're getting fired over that. 0.55

00:30:48.000 So I think that's right. 0.99

00:30:50.000 You want to fire the guy who beats a black man in the street for no reason.

00:30:53.000 Every cop that I have talked to says, independent of the merits of the case, Derek Chauvin was not the guy that they want to beat. 0.58

00:31:01.000 They were not fans of his, every cop that I have spoken to.

00:31:03.000 He was doing something wrong.

00:31:08.000 But I think policing in particular is so subject to this very particular critical lens where we pick out the most high salience harms.

00:31:21.000 You can go back and forth about the validity of public health edicts or the arbitrary way in which they were enforced.

00:31:29.000 Although I was going to be forced to be arbitrary a little bit because I think there were lots of abuses.

00:31:32.000 But what I'm interested in defending is the institution of policing as such because that's the thing I think it's under attack.

00:31:37.000 I kind of disagree with you because, you know, people throughout history, you know, always argue we need to do the legal thing.

00:31:43.000 Well, it was legal to segregate people based on their race.

00:31:46.000 It was legal to put people in extermination camps.

00:31:49.000 It was legal to do all horrible atrocities that governments have committed throughout human history.

00:31:54.000 And it was written decree by the law, by executives, by, you know, whatever processes.

00:32:00.000 And I think some of those have to be questioned sometimes.

00:32:02.000 The law.

00:32:03.000 Right.

00:32:03.000 Absolutely.

00:32:04.000 The law is the least worst governance that we have.

00:32:06.000 Right.

00:32:07.000 It's not good, it's just better than the absence thereof.

00:32:15.000 Maybe.

00:32:15.000 I would argue that there would be less harm.

00:32:18.000 I think, as we were discussing to bring the conversation full circle, the thing that gave birth to Covered in House is what anarchy looks like.

00:32:23.000 I think that that is... Absolutely not.

00:32:25.000 That's an arco tyranny. No, no, no, no, if it wasn't for the state incentivizing putting fuel on that fire making 0.99

00:32:30.000 that fire that much worse working hand in hand with the mainstream media showing that George Floyd footage over and

00:32:35.000 over again enraging people we would have never happened if you didn't have so many state elements participating. The

00:32:40.000 cops were there.

00:32:41.000 They were for that for For days, these people were burning down buildings.

00:32:46.000 There's a video where a guy in his 70s, his mattress store I think it was, was being burned down.

00:32:51.000 And when he tried stopping people, someone went behind him and cracked him over the head with a rock, left him lying on the ground unconscious and bleeding out.

00:32:59.000 And the police stood back and did nothing.

00:33:02.000 So why, why am I going to support these guys?

00:33:05.000 Why am I going to pay for these guys?

00:33:06.000 When Kyle Rittenhouse and his crew showed up, the cops said, thank you for being here and gave them water.

00:33:12.000 So then, just one last point.

00:33:14.000 When it finally reaches the point where they were pushing a flaming dumpster towards a gas station, and they were, we have video footage and we've had three different, we had four, no, we've had five witnesses on this show telling us that's what they were doing.

00:33:26.000 And the police did nothing.

00:33:28.000 What do we do?

00:33:28.000 We can sit back and say, there was a good possibility the gas station could have blown up.

00:33:33.000 Or, Kyle Rittenhouse took a fire extinguisher and put the fire out so they chased after him, and then someone fired around either into the air or at him, depending on who you ask.

00:33:40.000 The press says in the air, New York Times says that some witnesses we've spoken to said it was at him.

00:33:45.000 And then he turned and was attacked by Rosenbaum and fired in self-defense.

00:33:49.000 If the police were doing their job, none of this would have happened.

00:33:53.000 Yeah, I agree with that!

00:33:55.000 So you guys had Michael Schellenberger on recently, right?

00:33:58.000 And Schellenberger, in his book, he got what he claims is the first at-length interview with Carmen Best, who was the Chief of Police in Seattle.

00:34:08.000 Where the Chas Chop protests happened.

00:34:11.000 And she was the one who got the order to give up the 5th Precinct and retreat after they took over the precinct and established their little autonomous zone.

00:34:20.000 And what she says, she was like, this is insane.

00:34:22.000 Why are you telling me?

00:34:23.000 It's just very basic strategy.

00:34:25.000 You don't give up a defended position to a bunch of rioters.

00:34:30.000 But she was ordered to.

00:34:31.000 And I think the reason for that is that there was a sense that police activity and advert harmful police activity man her justified was

00:34:40.000 going to be punished in the in the public eye more than writer activity was so it's like when

00:34:46.000 you go to the ice cream shop and there's a little kid screaming i want two scoops the

00:34:50.000 mom's like i'm sorry i'm sorry i'll give you can you give me two more scoops he's gonna he'll

00:34:55.000 stop yelling if i do and then he never stops yeah

00:34:58.000 The police need to come in and say, what you are doing is illegal.

00:35:02.000 You are hurting people and burning down buildings, and we will respond in kind to stop you.

00:35:08.000 So you're talking about officers leaving over vaccine mandates, but cops have been departing big city departments, either retiring or resigning, or Most frequently, as far as I can tell, going to other more friendly jurisdictions.

00:35:22.000 And when you talk to them, what they say is basically like, I don't believe that the civilian leadership is going to have my back.

00:35:29.000 I don't believe that if I make the wrong call, I think they're going to throw me under the bus because my job is not popular.

00:35:35.000 There's an element of that, but there's also a lot of police officers that are brown-nosing and are saying, you want me to leave? 0.57

00:35:40.000 You want me to give this police precinct to these crazy people? 0.94

00:35:43.000 Sure! 0.96

00:35:44.000 Yeah!

00:35:44.000 Have it!

00:35:45.000 There's police officers standing by.

00:35:46.000 I remember watching police officers twiddle their thumbs as, like, rioters were just taking New York City by storm.

00:35:52.000 It's really simple, then.

00:35:54.000 It's really simple.

00:35:54.000 The system's broken.

00:35:56.000 The police aren't policing.

00:35:57.000 The system doesn't work.

00:35:58.000 The institution as we've known it and want to protect is gone.

00:36:02.000 And so now my fear is what remains are cops who are unwilling to enforce against rioters because of bad optics and because they won't get protected, but they're more than happy to arrest you for bearing arms, your constitutional right, and they're more than happy to fine people and do all of the administrative and bureaucratic, you know, civil violation stuff.

00:36:22.000 So all that's going to happen is people are going to say, I was going like five over and I got pulled over.

00:36:27.000 Dude, give me a break. 0.98

00:36:28.000 Some dude burned down my favorite restaurant last night.

00:36:30.000 Y'all did nothing for it.

00:36:32.000 So if we're getting only the worst of policing, and it's not just the police's fault because of it, it's also civilian leadership, then what are we actually defending?

00:36:42.000 Well, but I think it's a policy choice, right?

00:36:44.000 It's not the case that, you know, it's not the case that necessarily this needs to be the arrangement.

00:36:50.000 I think it's the case that, you know, there's, when I was talking at Schellenberg's book, San Francisco, you know, I think one of the things that comes across is really, A theme of contemporary progressivism is that socially deviant, harmful behavior should be tolerated, and socially normal behavior, the average person should be highly regulated.

00:37:12.000 That like, if you want to do drugs and camp out on the sidewalk and poop there, You can do that, and we will pay you to do it.

00:37:20.000 But everybody has to be subject to the mask mandate.

00:37:24.000 Everybody has to have their soda band.

00:37:26.000 Ooh, diaper mandate.

00:37:28.000 Yeah.

00:37:30.000 But I think that that is a theory of urban governance.

00:37:34.000 That's a progressive theory of urban governance.

00:37:35.000 And the thing that happened in the riots is that the judgment call was made that it would be more harmful to the legitimacy of the city to see cops stopping riots than it would just be to let everything burn.

00:37:47.000 And this is part It's propagated through the media.

00:37:49.000 NPR published why rioting is good.

00:37:53.000 Everybody everywhere was like… In defense of looting.

00:37:55.000 In defense of looting.

00:37:56.000 Everybody was like, well, the insurance companies will pay out, so it's fine.

00:37:59.000 And they didn't.

00:38:00.000 Hosing the small business owners in the process.

00:38:03.000 There's a systematic choice that was made to say this deviant behavior will be tolerated

00:38:09.000 because the legitimacy of the system is in question if it isn't tolerated.

00:38:13.000 So, you know, I take your point about the selectiveness.

00:38:16.000 I just think the problem is like several layers, levels up from the cops per se, excuse me, the problem is like terrible governance decisions.

00:38:24.000 I want to, I want to segue into this story we have.

00:38:25.000 This is from Fox News.

00:38:27.000 John Oliver, you know him, you love him, says, effing let police officers who resist vaccine mandates quit.

00:38:34.000 Oliver argued resistance to vaccine mandates sums up the core issue with American police.

00:38:38.000 I'm sure it does.

00:38:39.000 But, uh, we're, we're, we're segueing, segueing from the story that ultimately I think, you know, we were talking about the Kyle Rittenhouse riots.

00:38:46.000 We're talking about how the police were standing down in the, in the George Floyd riots.

00:38:49.000 I shouldn't say Kyle Rittenhouse riots, the George Floyd riots in which, or that was the Jacob Blake riots.

00:38:53.000 Sorry.

00:38:53.000 There's so many, I get confused sometimes.

00:38:56.000 And we will soon have the Kyle Reinhaus riots, because there's trials soon.

00:38:58.000 But the ultimate result, I think, is going to be cops quitting.

00:39:01.000 And so we have this story, which is really interesting, because police are quitting.

00:39:04.000 A bunch of cops.

00:39:05.000 I think NYPD is suing over the vaccine mandate.

00:39:08.000 Is that right?

00:39:09.000 I believe so.

00:39:10.000 Chicago, they're instructing the officers to defy the mandate.

00:39:13.000 In Baltimore, they're doing the same thing.

00:39:15.000 The end result, I think, is going to be cops quitting.

00:39:17.000 And here's the funny thing.

00:39:19.000 We've long been saying now, like long as in the past couple of weeks, the left should be cheering for this!

00:39:24.000 They wanted to defund the police, abolish the police, they should be happy, right?

00:39:28.000 Turns out they are.

00:39:29.000 Fox News reports.

00:39:31.000 Last week tonight, host John Oliver took aim at police officers who have yet to get the vaccine, encouraging them to effing quit.

00:39:37.000 Quote, the police are supposed to be keeping the public safe.

00:39:40.000 That is the point of their jobs, yet some don't seem to give much of an ish about that.

00:39:45.000 The liberal host single liberal host single out Chicago and New York police departments is fall

00:39:49.000 falling under that category. CBD officers he noted resisted uploading their vaccination

00:39:54.000 statuses to a portal. Over 20 officers are on no pay status for refusing to comply.

00:39:59.000 He also shared a video of a pair of NYPD officers who were seen removing a commuter from the subway

00:40:02.000 while they themselves were unmasked. That video was actually kind of funny. You see it? A guy in

00:40:07.000 a mask yells at the cops to put a mask on so they kick him out of the subway. That's crazy. Now,

00:40:13.000 I think they are gonna be happy.

00:40:15.000 I think the left is effectively getting their abolish the police through this or defund them at the very least.

00:40:20.000 Well abolish the police was never really about abolishing the police.

00:40:24.000 It was about a loyalty test.

00:40:25.000 It's making sure that the police that are going to enforce their edicts and their decrees are going to stay there and the people who are going to question it are of course going to be kicked out and to me John Oliver just kind of confirmed how much of a loyalty test these vax mandates are because A lot of the people who are compliant, a lot of the people who are saying, yes, I'll just do whatever you tell me, are the people who have taken the Vax.

00:40:45.000 Some of the people who can't take the Vax, or don't want to take the Vax, or more people who are not in line with the state, who question the state, who still are waiting for a lot of the data to come in, are people who are usually skeptical of centralized authorities.

00:40:58.000 So this to me is going to shift things in a major dramatic way as of course there's estimates that major cities could lose one third of their police forces because of these mandates.

00:41:09.000 Now when you have such a huge loss with crime already going up dramatically in cities this is a recipe for a disaster and to me only propagates a situation where of course you're going to have politically divided people more and more in certain areas that may or may not go against each other but We also have the news that in Florida, the governor there, Ron DeSantis, is offering police officers $5,000 in a signing bonus if they refuse to take the vaccine and relocate to Florida and decide to be police officers there.

00:41:41.000 Something's happening in Indiana.

00:41:43.000 Indiana as well?

00:41:44.000 I don't know the number, but there's a push for similar.

00:41:45.000 There's an Indiana police department that said that they're going to welcome all the Chicago police officers, whichever police officers do not want to take the vaccine.

00:41:54.000 There's also a Chicago Police Union president that has been censored.

00:41:59.000 He can't speak about the vaccine and what's going on right now.

00:42:03.000 But before he was censored by a court, he was making some pretty good points about how a lot of these policies are discriminatory, how a lot of his officers can't take the vaccine, don't want to take the vaccine, have natural herd immunity.

00:42:14.000 He was making some really good legitimate arguments.

00:42:16.000 But this is a major issue.

00:42:18.000 There's a lot of reasons why I thought we should get away from the city.

00:42:21.000 loyalty test that will separate this nation into very, very far away political spectrums

00:42:27.000 that hopefully are able to stay together away from each other peacefully.

00:42:30.000 There's a lot of reasons.

00:42:31.000 Most likely not.

00:42:32.000 There's a lot of reasons why I thought we should get away from the city.

00:42:34.000 We were originally in the Philadelphia area on the Jersey side and we wanted to, we almost

00:42:39.000 bought a building out there, but sale kind of fell through and it was just, you know,

00:42:44.000 And then I thought, you know what, we need space.

00:42:46.000 We need space, we need cheap space, and we shouldn't be in New Jersey for a variety of reasons.

00:42:50.000 And one of those was that as much as the cops we had were actually really good, We had a small department with a handful of guys who were, they were quick, they were good people.

00:42:58.000 I talked to them, you know, I would go into the police station and talk to them and they were great.

00:43:04.000 Moderate individuals, not crazy Trumpers, but certainly not authoritarian.

00:43:08.000 And I just kind of thought, as things get crazy and they issue these lockdown orders, And just north of where we lived was the Atlas Gym, where the cops actually came and arrested a guy, I guess.

00:43:19.000 Ian Smith, right?

00:43:21.000 Ian Smith, yeah, he's the guy who runs the gym.

00:43:23.000 And the initial, the first cops who came there were like, we're not gonna enforce this, have a nice day.

00:43:27.000 So they pulled cops from out of town.

00:43:29.000 And I was like, if they can do that, staying in this place is a really, really bad idea, because the cops aren't going to protect you, they're going to oppress you.

00:43:36.000 They're gonna tell you that by decree, you can't leave your home, you can't go to the store, you can't do these things, but they're not gonna be there when you need them.

00:43:43.000 And so I thought, you know what?

00:43:44.000 I would rather be somewhere with no cops.

00:43:47.000 So where we are right now, if you call the cops, they might be here in, I don't know, a half an hour, longer.

00:43:53.000 And where I live, good luck.

00:43:56.000 It's a mountain.

00:43:57.000 And so, like, my actual house.

00:43:59.000 And as much as there's still risks there, because then everything's on you, one thing I noticed is that a lot of people have said, People are actually reluctant to go up into a mountain full of right-wing nutjobs and commit crimes because everyone there is armed to the teeth.

00:44:14.000 Not that anybody actually ever shoots anybody, they don't.

00:44:17.000 But people knowing that cops aren't going to come, they don't climb a mountain and then try to rob Mountainfool in the cities.

00:44:26.000 People got a lot of guns in the cities too, though.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, but not- Usually the criminal class.

00:44:31.000 But look, look, look.

00:44:32.000 In New Jersey, where I was told explicitly by the police, by multiple departments, that

00:44:36.000 if someone breaks into my house with a gun and fires at me, I have an obligation to flee

00:44:41.000 my own home.

00:44:42.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, we had someone try to break in.

00:44:45.000 And I'm like, what do I do?

00:44:46.000 The one cop goes, I'd answer the door with a shotgun.

00:44:49.000 And so I looked it up and I talked to him.

00:44:50.000 They're like, oh, but if you use it, you'll go to prison.

00:44:53.000 What they said was, it's a semi-castle doctrine state.

00:44:56.000 What that means is you have an affirmative defense to shoot someone who enters your home, but you will be arrested and charged first.

00:45:04.000 Then, after you spend a night in jail and try and get bailed out, which you might not, you can tell the judge why you were justified in shooting the man who was trying to kill you, your friends and your family.

00:45:15.000 And so I'm like, I'm gonna have to argue in court that I don't want to jump from the- We didn't have a back door.

00:45:21.000 The first floor went over a balcony because it was on a hill.

00:45:24.000 And I'm like, so I gotta jump off a 20 store- you know, for 20 feet up?

00:45:28.000 Slide down a pole- a beam on my deck?

00:45:31.000 Or defend myself with a- I'm getting out of this state.

00:45:33.000 This is insane.

00:45:34.000 West Virginia doesn't have those problems, my friend.

00:45:36.000 Look, that's good.

00:45:40.000 West Virginia has a lot of problems, but does not have a crime problem.

00:45:43.000 It has a drug problem! 0.82

00:45:44.000 That's a remarkable fact.

00:45:46.000 It's not a drug problem, it's a big pharma problem that made it a drug problem.

00:45:50.000 It's not a drug problem.

00:45:51.000 It's a drug problem.

00:45:51.000 Huh?

00:45:52.000 Yeah, it's a drug problem that was exacerbated by the big pharma.

00:45:56.000 Uhhh, no.

00:45:56.000 Yes, I agree.

00:45:58.000 We could debate this later on the after show, but we could agree to discreet.

00:46:05.000 West Virginia doesn't, but look, most crime in America, not all crime, most crime in America, increasingly most crime in America is concentrated in cities.

00:46:12.000 80% of people live in metropolitan areas.

00:46:15.000 You don't get a lot of crime in rural West Virginia because nobody lives in rural West Virginia.

00:46:18.000 Nobody's going to come out and try to shoot you.

00:46:22.000 I think we have situated the conversation in terms of like, we saw the largest single-year percentage-wise and absolute terms increase in homicide on record last year.

00:46:32.000 Aggravated assaults rose 11%.

00:46:33.000 Grand Theft Auto rose 11%.

00:46:36.000 Nationwide, it was much worse in individual cities.

00:46:40.000 There are cities in America, Baltimore, Chicago, where the homicide rate, particularly the homicide rate for young black men, exceeds 100 per 100,000.

00:46:47.000 The nationwide figure is like six.

00:46:50.000 It's an enormously high rate.

00:46:52.000 So that's – crime is a real and increasing problem in the United States.

00:46:56.000 By comparison to the rest of the world, crime is an intolerable problem in the United States.

00:47:00.000 Twenty thousand – fifteen, twenty thousand people die a year of homicide.

00:47:04.000 Compare that rate to any other developed nation.

00:47:06.000 It's inconceivable.

00:47:07.000 That's thing one.

00:47:08.000 Thing two is that we know – Got a culture problem.

00:47:10.000 Well, we have a whole host of problems, but the root causes don't matter.

00:47:13.000 What matters is what solves the problem.

00:47:15.000 And the answer is we have a lot of really high-quality evidence that police are an effective tool for reducing crime.

00:47:20.000 That if you put cops in an area, crime declines in that area.

00:47:23.000 That if you increase police forces, crime goes down.

00:47:26.000 We're not talking about just minor crimes.

00:47:28.000 We're talking about homicide.

00:47:30.000 But let's think about those budgets for a second.

00:47:32.000 I mean, I've been to some countries where they have very... They don't have armed cops, you know, like South America has the Guarda.

00:47:40.000 They've got a lot of crime for sure in a lot of areas.

00:47:42.000 But, you know what, maybe it's... You look at Scandinavia, and they're an example of how countries are just very different.

00:47:49.000 The left likes to use them as an example of how proper policing can be done, but then you're like, but they're small and they're different.

00:47:54.000 In the United States, we do have a lot of cops.

00:47:55.000 We do have massive police budgets.

00:47:57.000 We actually, we actually, so first of all, we don't have massive police budgets.

00:47:59.000 We spend about 3% of all dollars go to cops.

00:48:02.000 It's 100, excuse me, of all government spending across local, state, and federal.

00:48:07.000 What's a comparable country with?

00:48:10.000 So the second point is, we don't spend a huge amount of money on cops.

00:48:13.000 The second point is like, compared to OECD countries, cops per capita, we're like in the middle.

00:48:18.000 Like we don't actually, we have way more prisoners per capita.

00:48:21.000 Our prison capacity is, Enormous our cops are like Middling we absolutely there's there's a there's high quality estimates.

00:48:30.000 This guy named Aaron Chalfan at um Pen and another fellow whose name is escaping me who do estimates of the returns to policing and their argument is that American cities are systematically under policed For the simple reason that like the amount of money that we spend versus the amount of money that we could save In real value a few people murdered if there were fewer cry through fewer thefts of their fewer assaults The benefits that we leave on the table dramatically outweigh the amount of money that we're spending now.

00:49:00.000 Well, there's also another aspect to entertain here, and that's a lot of the blue flu going around, a lot of police officers refusing to do their job.

00:49:07.000 There's also the fact that the NYPD has almost the same amount of members as many militaries around the world, almost comparable to Some of the top militaries out there.

00:49:18.000 They have a whole NYPD intelligence unit that literally has spies all over the world.

00:49:22.000 I would say that, you know, them spending five billion dollars is a lot of money for policing that many times they decide not to do and participate or even enforce.

00:49:34.000 Militaries and police forces are apples to oranges.

00:49:37.000 The number of things police forces have to do are much larger than the number of things police forces have to do.

00:49:40.000 B, New York City is a dramatic success story in terms of public safety.

00:49:46.000 If you look at violent crimes decline since the 1990s, it's fallen dramatically across the United States, across major cities, homicide, crimes of violence, etc.

00:49:57.000 The decrease in New York City is 50% larger than other cities.

00:50:01.000 Frank Zimring, who's a criminologist at UC Berkeley, looks at all the relevant factors

00:50:06.000 in his book on this called The City That Became Safe.

00:50:08.000 And his argument is that the root explanation is basically like there was a transition to

00:50:13.000 more policing and more and better policing in New York City in the 90s.

00:50:16.000 Like the NYPD, there are certainly – it is an enormous department.

00:50:21.000 They spend a lot of time and a lot of money on a lot of different things.

00:50:24.000 But it's hard to argue with the results in terms of crime reduction.

00:50:28.000 New York City, in homicide rate terms, for example, looks so much better than comparable cities in the United States.

00:50:33.000 It's insane.

00:50:33.000 How do you compare what happened within the last few months and last year when crime and violence has gone up so dramatically?

00:50:39.000 How do you explain it?

00:50:40.000 I mean, I'm just asking you legitimately, not trying to counter you.

00:50:45.000 Sure.

00:50:45.000 I mean, so the last year's trends are, I think, alarming and it's There's a live debate about what caused the increase.

00:50:55.000 Is it COVID?

00:50:56.000 Is it lockdowns?

00:50:57.000 I think that there's some argument there, but I find it ultimately uncompelling for reasons I can enumerate.

00:51:01.000 You know, I do think ultimately, if you look at the timing of when the increases happen, if you look at where they happen, it comes down to – and this goes back to the conversation – a concerted national effort To delegitimize policing and to delegitimize the police. 0.67

00:51:18.000 Like, if you agree with the claim that cops reduce crime, that cop presence reduces crime, and then you start punishing cops for showing up, you start saying it's not cool to be a cop, it's we hate the cops, we want to defund the police, cops are racist pigs who want to murder us, you're going to lose policing capacity.

00:51:34.000 When you lose policing capacity, crime is going to go up.

00:51:35.000 And that's what we saw happen dramatically last year.

00:51:38.000 I'm not sure that explains I think there's so many variables that we could add on to this.

00:51:45.000 There's also mass decarceration.

00:51:46.000 We are, by best estimates, at like a tenth of the jail population that we were in February of 2020, and that's going to have an impact at the margins.

00:51:58.000 I did some data analysis today.

00:51:59.000 I looked at 9-1-1 calls in Seattle because there's a paper arguing, looking at 9-1-1 calls as evidence that cops lost legitimacy after George Flay's death.

00:52:09.000 9-1-1 calls went down.

00:52:11.000 And one of the arguments that I make in response to this paper is data that looks at calls for service by cops usually looks at both calls by civilians, like you pick up the phone and call 9-1-1, you're like, There's a crime, but also calls by cops to the center that manages dispatch.

00:52:30.000 It's hard to disaggregate this data.

00:52:31.000 The people who are writing this paper didn't disaggregate this data.

00:52:33.000 They assumed it was all civilians.

00:52:34.000 If you look in Seattle, which is where you're able to get really good numbers, you look at calls from cops and you look at calls from civilians.

00:52:40.000 The week after George Floyd's death, calls from civilians are flat.

00:52:44.000 They remain the same.

00:52:45.000 Calls from cops collapse 80%, 70%.

00:52:47.000 And have persisted consistently.

00:52:49.000 That's a measure of police activity, police proactivity.

00:52:52.000 You can look at employment in big cities.

00:52:54.000 You can look at the NYPD.

00:52:55.000 You can look at the Minneapolis PD.

00:52:57.000 Collapsed.

00:52:58.000 You can look at stops and arrests.

00:53:00.000 Collapsed.

00:53:01.000 Across metrics, not across the country, but in large cities, there's good reason to believe that cops are doing less and less proactive.

00:53:10.000 And you can argue That's bad.

00:53:12.000 I think it's not great.

00:53:13.000 I would prefer that cops, like, selflessly kept going out and doing their jobs no matter the incentives.

00:53:18.000 But you should also be willing to say, like, actually, the incentives are pretty bad right now.

00:53:24.000 To actually be a cop and do the cop's work.

00:53:26.000 Yeah.

00:53:26.000 And in some elements, I definitely agree with you.

00:53:28.000 And I think you did bring up some important points.

00:53:30.000 What do you think about the George Soros-appointed district attorneys?

00:53:34.000 Do you think that they play a role in allowing a lot of criminals to be let off for a lot of the violent crimes, for a lot of the, some people say, petty crimes?

00:53:42.000 But I think there might be a correlation with a lot of people being sent off while they're committing hard crimes.

00:53:48.000 Meanwhile, political crime, I would argue, is being prosecuted very heavy-handedly, especially if you believe in the wrong kind of political ideology.

00:53:56.000 Yeah, I want to jump to a story here, actually, because this is a really, really crazy tweet I saw from Mike Cernovich.

00:54:02.000 Cernovich says, Judge Amy Jackson released a J6 defendant from pretrial custody after he disavowed Trump in a letter and his lawyer suggested a political conversion.

00:54:12.000 I've never seen anything like this ever.

00:54:16.000 So here's a guy who's been in jail now for, what is it, going on nine months.

00:54:20.000 And there's been horrifying conditions.

00:54:22.000 There's a guy whose hand was broken.

00:54:23.000 They didn't give him medical treatment.

00:54:24.000 A judge held the, was it the warden and the director?

00:54:27.000 DC warden, yeah.

00:54:28.000 And the director of the Department of Corrections, I guess, got held in contempt.

00:54:31.000 And now they've seen the writing on the wall.

00:54:34.000 Disavow the politics you previously supported and they'll let you go.

00:54:37.000 You would call this re-education.

00:54:39.000 This is the state of our current political and law enforcement environment.

00:54:39.000 Right.

00:54:44.000 If that's the case, I think we are, are we already beyond that red line, past the red card?

00:54:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:52.000 September 11th in the Patriot Act was the red line.

00:54:54.000 When they signed the Patriot Act, they crossed the red line.

00:54:57.000 There's a lot of stuff that happened throughout history, though.

00:55:00.000 There's a lot, that's true, I think that was a major turning point, but there were other things that people, you could say, crossed on the Gulf of Tonkin, crossed the line.

00:55:07.000 They can arrest anyone at any time with the Patriot Act.

00:55:10.000 Then there was the NDAA.

00:55:11.000 Indefinitely, for no reason, What?

00:55:15.000 That's insane.

00:55:18.000 I guess they're doing it.

00:55:18.000 Well, there you go.

00:55:19.000 Well, I would just kind of go back to the point.

00:55:21.000 What do you think about the kind of prosecution of political crimes while George Soros's appointed AGs usually let a lot of criminals off?

00:55:29.000 Yeah, I mean, I think the progressive prosecutor movement, it's harder to track what's going on.

00:55:36.000 One of the reasons you're able to criticize, people are able to criticize cops so effectively is because big city police departments release a lot of information.

00:55:42.000 DA's offices are not actually that transparent.

00:55:47.000 Some of these progressive offices are getting a little more transparent, which is nice because you can see where they're not prosecuting.

00:55:52.000 Larry Krasner not pursuing gun crimes in Philadelphia, for example.

00:55:57.000 It's hard to figure out what the impact has been in the short run, but I suspect in the long run, petty crime will flourish.

00:56:03.000 If you look at a city like San Francisco, what has happened with shoplifting there is clearly in part a byproduct of the state's decision to say that theft under $950 will no longer be treated as felonious theft.

00:56:17.000 It's partially a product of decisions by DAs like Chesa Boudin to say these offenses are not a serious issue.

00:56:23.000 These minor offenses.

00:56:24.000 This goes back to the point I was making earlier.

00:56:26.000 It's like, if behavior is perceived as socially deviant in certain ways, then it's considered acceptable and not deserving of punishment.

00:56:34.000 If behavior is perceived as, you know, I don't have a strong opinion about this particular case, I don't know all the details, but I think it is certainly true that people can be prosecuted if not by the law, then certainly the public opinion for opinions which are not deemed acceptable by the mainstream media, by public commentators.

00:56:51.000 I think a lot of cops are also disenfranchised.

00:57:01.000 I think there's a lot more of the blue flu going around than we even know about.

00:57:05.000 I think that's one of the reasons.

00:57:07.000 But also, it's kind of understandable because A lot of these cops are like, okay, I booked this guy, I risked my life to put him in jail, and then he's just let out the next day.

00:57:15.000 What the hell is going on here?

00:57:16.000 Why should I even risk my safety to do this again when everyone also hates me?

00:57:20.000 So I think there's an element of this that should be talked about and considered.

00:57:23.000 When you talk about something like bail reform, I think there's a strong argument that cash bail is not a great idea, that you shouldn't be let in or out of jail because of your ability to pay as opposed to your risk to society, which is something you can do.

00:57:36.000 But if you look at New York State's original bail law, which rather than assessing risk, just sort of released people, created a strong presumption of release for many classes of offenders.

00:57:47.000 And the effect was, you were seeing guys get picked up and arrested 20 times, and they were out the very next day.

00:57:53.000 And it's like, you're right, what is the point of running a criminal justice system And my colleague, Rafael Mangual, at the Manhattan Institute likes to say, criminals don't specialize.

00:58:04.000 The guy who is getting picked up for jumping a turn style or public indecency, he's the same guy who thinks it's cool to jack a car.

00:58:16.000 There's a terrible case in San Francisco.

00:58:18.000 A guy was out on bail, thanks to Chester Boudin, stole a car, should've been in prison, should've

00:58:24.000 been jail, and ran over and killed two pedestrians, an old lady and her daughter, no, her niece.

00:58:33.000 It's a horrible case, and what happens is that criminals don't specialize.

00:58:38.000 The guy who gets stuck in jail for one thing, well, gets let out, he is often the guy who

00:58:43.000 goes on to commit a more serious offense.

00:58:45.000 There are powerful elites that know they're burning the country to the ground, and they 1.00

00:58:50.000 like the fact that many of these leftist and establishment Democrat types are too stupid 1.00

00:58:54.000 to realize what's going on, or they're all really stupid and just marching in lockstep 1.00

00:58:59.000 because they're not smart enough to realize they're burning the place to the ground. 1.00

00:59:02.000 You look at the policies in these cities with these Soros DAs, and they're like, I'm gonna release this violent offender, and then he kills somebody, and it's like, well, who could have seen that coming?

00:59:10.000 I kind of agree with you, Charles, that there are like two types of people, one that respects the law and one that doesn't respect the law.

00:59:15.000 But then I see people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, who, they made specific crimes that you gotta wonder, is that law just?

00:59:23.000 That they violated?

00:59:24.000 Like, was Hitler's restoration of the professional civil service of April 7th, 1933, which excluded Jews from civil service, was that a just law? 0.93

00:59:35.000 I mean, no.

00:59:36.000 No, it wasn't.

00:59:36.000 I like Jews being the social service.

00:59:38.000 The criminals that violated that law weren't the kind of criminals that would mug someone necessarily.

00:59:43.000 Sure, and even not-Nazi-Germany, we can create unjust laws. 0.61

00:59:48.000 We live under unjust laws now, I think so.

00:59:51.000 But part of the principle of living in a republic is that we don't get to flout laws that we don't like.

00:59:57.000 We have some agreement. 0.99

01:00:01.000 It's not necessarily that everybody's malicious, it's not necessarily that everybody's stupid. 0.97

01:00:06.000 I think about the mayor of Seattle, Jenny Durkin, I forget her last name, who looked at the Chaz Chop Zone and was like, this is the summer of love. 0.98

01:00:15.000 Until they went to her house.

01:00:18.000 The people who are getting shot and murdered in New York and Chicago and Baltimore are not the people who are running the city. 0.86

01:00:23.000 90 plus percent of homicide victims in New York City every year are black or Hispanic. 0.63

01:00:28.000 They're not the people who are running. 0.96

01:00:30.000 You know, Eric Adams is a black dude. 0.96

01:00:31.000 He lives in New Jersey, but he is a black dude.

01:00:34.000 But generally, he's not coming from the context of the people who are getting shot.

01:00:39.000 So I think a lot of it comes down to sort of abstraction into political ideology.

01:00:43.000 It's like, I believe that these people are at the center of systems of oppression, so I just need to sort of liberate them.

01:00:49.000 It's like, No, I don't think it's that genuine.

01:00:52.000 I don't think it's that loving and caring.

01:00:53.000 These people don't live with them.

01:00:54.000 They're not in the same communities, and I agree with that particular point.

01:00:57.000 But to think that a lot of these people making these policies are not seeing the effects of them, I think, is not a realistic point.

01:01:04.000 I think they know exactly what they're doing.

01:01:05.000 I think it's leading to a system that they want.

01:01:08.000 A situation that they want, that has people fighting each other, arguing with each other.

01:01:12.000 It has people unhappy, has people unhealthy, has people being victims of crime more than ever.

01:01:17.000 And I think that benefits a system that thrives off of that.

01:01:21.000 And I think I would argue that rather than, I know what's right.

01:01:24.000 I'm going to help these people.

01:01:25.000 They pretend to say that, but at the end of the day, they know that they're not doing that.

01:01:31.000 I don't like that a small group of representatives are in charge of making the laws anymore.

01:01:36.000 It doesn't seem right with 350 million of us that have access to the internet and doing this together that we've given up the power to like 600 people.

01:01:44.000 It doesn't make any sense because you see these bastardized laws that they're creating and enforcing like the NDAA.

01:01:49.000 They can just grab someone out of their house and stick them in Guantanamo for as long as they want.

01:01:54.000 That's not justice. When they took a, what are they like a red, what was it, a red rider,

01:01:58.000 a little wagon with 5,000 pages for the omnibus bill and they're like carting it into the

01:02:03.000 Congress and they're like, nobody read it, nobody's gonna read it, let's make it a law.

01:02:07.000 That's a functional system right there, huh? No, no it's not.

01:02:16.000 Good point.

01:02:17.000 But I think there's a bigger conversation to be had here because when we look at the statistics, especially within the last few months, the people are getting screwed over here.

01:02:17.000 I appreciate that.

01:02:27.000 People are getting hurt more than ever.

01:02:28.000 People are being victims of crime more than ever.

01:02:30.000 People are becoming more unhealthy, more unhappy.

01:02:34.000 They're getting robbed economically every step of the way here.

01:02:37.000 And a lot of this comes from a lot of these politicians saying, I'm going to help you.

01:02:43.000 They know they're not helping you because look who's benefiting off of this.

01:02:43.000 They're not helping you.

01:02:46.000 A lot of multinational corporate elites, a lot of billionaires who are raking in record profits while everyone else is having a harder time making it by.

01:02:54.000 To be fair, I mean, you can just follow Nancy Pelosi and buy the stocks that she buys, right?

01:03:01.000 And come on, when all this went down, it should have been obvious to everybody that you could just buy the stock for Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Amazon.

01:03:11.000 Walmart's private, though.

01:03:12.000 Walmart's not publicly traded.

01:03:13.000 I think it's private.

01:03:14.000 You could have bought Amazon stock.

01:03:15.000 That went through the roof. 0.97

01:03:17.000 So of course it was benefiting the billionaires.

01:03:20.000 But it was also benefiting the millionaires.

01:03:23.000 Yes.

01:03:24.000 See?

01:03:24.000 So if you were a millionaire, you were doing all right.

01:03:25.000 Oh, you guys are talking about working class people. 0.86

01:03:27.000 Oh yeah, the working class people were screwed completely. 1.00

01:03:30.000 You know, I think sort of my response to that point is, so like this is not the worst violent crime has been in the United States, right?

01:03:38.000 There's a, for viewers under the age of 30 who do not remember, I'm under the age of 30, but like for viewers who don't remember the 80s and 90s, Homicide rates were substantially higher, violent crime rates.

01:03:52.000 You couldn't walk through Times Square in New York City because it was like a den of prostitution, sin, and iniquity.

01:03:57.000 Well, hold on.

01:03:58.000 Do you know why homicide rates were substantially higher before 2007?

01:04:02.000 Why?

01:04:03.000 Cell phones.

01:04:04.000 Lack of cell phones.

01:04:05.000 So, one thing that needs to be considered when it comes to tracking the homicide rate is that once cell phones became ubiquitous, Violent crime that resulted in death became violent crime that didn't result in death because people could call 9-1-1 immediately, whereas before this, they would rush to find a phone.

01:04:25.000 And so what ends up happening is there's an illusion that there's a major drop-off in violent crime when there isn't.

01:04:31.000 It's the same, there's a similar level of crime.

01:04:33.000 It is going down.

01:04:34.000 So the violent crime rate declines substantially from 1994.

01:04:38.000 The homicide rate falls from 1989.

01:04:39.000 And actually there's a leveling off around the Great Recession in the But that actually meant that that violent crime was skyrocketing, right?

01:04:50.000 So I'll put it this way.

01:04:52.000 Homicides changed because of cell phones into attempted murders. 0.63

01:04:56.000 And so you had less people dying that substantially changed the nature of how crimes were being reported.

01:05:01.000 So when you look at the Great Recession, it's like, oh, it's flat.

01:05:04.000 Actually, people are surviving the violent attacks.

01:05:06.000 I mean, you would expect an increase in the aggravated assault or violent crime rate then, which doesn't happen.

01:05:13.000 I mean, I believe in improvements in trauma medicine.

01:05:17.000 And so there's a great, you look at, what's his name?

01:05:22.000 Steven Pinker.

01:05:22.000 It could be that people weren't reporting the crimes.

01:05:25.000 If there's a corpse on the ground, it gets reported.

01:05:26.000 Yeah, so homicide is sort of the historically most reliable indicator, right, because there's a corpse on the ground.

01:05:32.000 But we can plausibly compare the 1990s to the early 2000s when you say that violent crime is substantially lower.

01:05:40.000 You can quibble about what the direction of that is, or the magnitude of the change, but it's definitely down.

01:05:45.000 The point that I wanted to make is that violent crime rose in the 60s and 70s, I think largely for ideological reasons.

01:05:52.000 All of the same ideas were in the water, that we should convert—that the criminal justice system should be primarily rehabilitative, that cops were violent and dangerous and racist, and that they needed to be—frankly, they were more violent, dangerous, and racist than they are now.

01:06:07.000 perhaps way worse, 50 years ago than they are today, 60 years ago than they are today,

01:06:13.000 that what we really needed was like a more therapeutic state that looked after everybody.

01:06:18.000 And these ideas had enormous currency in the 60s and 70s, and there was a retraction of

01:06:23.000 criminal justice capacity, there was a retraction of policing and incarceration capacity, and

01:06:28.000 the result was predictable.

01:06:29.000 Like, these ideas go in and out of fashion, they come in and out of style, and I think

01:06:33.000 that they're coming back now.

01:06:34.000 Well, so I want to ask you, you know, before the show you were saying that you think the

01:06:38.000 Republicans are going to win.

01:06:39.000 They're going to.

01:06:40.000 They're going to.

01:06:40.000 they're gonna...

01:06:41.000 Do you think the Republicans are going to win in 2022?

01:06:42.000 Yeah, I mean, I think all the fundamentals are there, right?

01:06:46.000 Joe Biden's approval is underwater.

01:06:48.000 A Democratic president takes office, the GOP usually wins, usually gains seats in the following election.

01:06:58.000 The GOP could totally blow it, but I think if they play their cards right, then Kevin McCarthy's Speaker.

01:07:04.000 I think that's likely.

01:07:05.000 It's a narrow margin in the House as is.

01:07:06.000 And what do you think the first thing they'll do is?

01:07:09.000 Oh, well, this is what I said.

01:07:10.000 Not just the first thing they'll do.

01:07:12.000 That's why I'm asking specifically.

01:07:13.000 Do you think... Okay, I'll just get into it.

01:07:15.000 You said they're going to impeach Biden.

01:07:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:17.000 I want that to happen.

01:07:18.000 But do you think it'll be the first thing they do?

01:07:19.000 Like, do you think they'll be like, we're doing it!

01:07:21.000 We're impeaching this guy!

01:07:23.000 No, it'll be something like...

01:07:26.000 It'll be a messaging bill, right?

01:07:27.000 It's like when the Democrats retook the House, the first thing they did was pass H.R.

01:07:31.000 1, the Voting Rights Act, which is part of the broader messaging schema of Republicans hate democracy, we're the pro-democracy party, vote for us.

01:07:40.000 I don't know what the GOP's day one bill is.

01:07:43.000 But do you think they have a good case for impeaching him or do you think it's just going to be a lie?

01:07:47.000 of the economy. I do think that the precedent has been set that impeachment is a political

01:07:53.000 tool, especially when you are in control of the House but not the Senate. So, you know,

01:07:57.000 it doesn't matter. I think they're totally going to impeach Joe Biden because that's

01:07:59.000 what you're just going to do now.

01:08:01.000 But do you think they have a good case for impeaching him or do you think it's just going

01:08:04.000 to be like, eh, we'll figure it out?

01:08:05.000 I think they'll figure it out.

01:08:07.000 I think it's going to be Ukraine.

01:08:08.000 I think it's going to be the laptop, the emails, the photos of Joe Biden, the emails where he's sharing his bank account with his son and collecting money, and then they're spending money on each other's behalf.

01:08:17.000 There's no specificity in the Constitution of what high crimes and misdemeanors actually means.

01:08:22.000 It's whatever Congress says, and it's unreviewable by the Supreme Court or any other court.

01:08:27.000 It's purely a political decision.

01:08:29.000 So they'll find something because it'll be a great way to put Joe Biden on trial in the public eye and that will line up 2024.

01:08:38.000 Do you think he should be impeached?

01:08:42.000 No.

01:08:42.000 No?

01:08:43.000 No.

01:08:44.000 Really?

01:08:45.000 You don't think like all the stuff he did with Ukraine and Rose Monsenica and all that stuff that's now basically confirmed?

01:08:51.000 His Hunter Biden connected bank account that they were doing absolutely illicit and illegal things with?

01:08:56.000 I don't have strong opinions about the details there.

01:09:03.000 I do.

01:09:04.000 And I think that there's a big argument to make here about pure criminal inaction.

01:09:09.000 I'm sure the House Traveling Caucus will be happy to call you in as an expert witness on the impeachment hearings.

01:09:13.000 No, no, no, no.

01:09:14.000 I don't trust the Republicans as far as I could see them or throw them.

01:09:18.000 And I don't think they're even going to go with impeachment.

01:09:21.000 I think there's going to be talk about this, but I don't think they have that much of a backbone and spine to even do that or even to match the Democrats on many of their aggressive motions, to be honest with you.

01:09:30.000 I think the base wants a lot of things, and I think Republicans are there to placate them, pat them on the back saying, yes, in just a little bit, just a little bit more, we'll just give you anything you want, just vote for us.

01:09:42.000 They're bad, but I think that's the game that they're playing here.

01:09:47.000 That's my own personal opinion, and I might be wrong.

01:09:49.000 The great thing about controlling the House of Representatives is that you're totally powerless, right?

01:09:54.000 As I was saying before, every time the Democrats who take the House, they're like, oh, we're going to pass Medicare for All.

01:10:00.000 We're going to do it in the House.

01:10:02.000 And if you vote for us, you're going to get it.

01:10:03.000 And then, you know, they win.

01:10:06.000 Maybe not on the Medicare for All thing.

01:10:07.000 Maybe we're not going to do that.

01:10:09.000 Because they know it's politically popular, and they can make an empty promise.

01:10:12.000 And the same thing is true.

01:10:14.000 Here's my bet.

01:10:15.000 Day one bill, there's going to be a federal law banning CRT in schools.

01:10:20.000 Not really clear what that means, but they sure are going to ban it.

01:10:23.000 And that's going to be, you know, they're going to prohibit federal funding for local schools.

01:10:26.000 If they get the Senate, then it will move to the Senate, but then Biden will veto it.

01:10:31.000 Right, well, it won't clear the filibuster, so it won't matter.

01:10:34.000 Right.

01:10:35.000 Yeah.

01:10:35.000 Like, you can do these messaging builds, you can do these, and impeachment, and this goes back to the point, like, impeachment is just part of the political process now, it's just like a thing that you do to show that the other team is bad.

01:10:46.000 I'm not even convinced Republicans are gonna win, right?

01:10:48.000 So, we were talking about this before we started the show, you know, FiveThirtyEight and a bunch of other outlets say that, historically, the opposing party should win, and there's data to suggest it may happen.

01:10:59.000 But there have been so many rule changes with like universal mail-in voting, which massively advantages Democrats for one simple reason.

01:11:07.000 Most of you probably heard me say it, but it's this simple.

01:11:10.000 When it comes to ground activism, knocking on doors, Democrats can hit a thousand families in one apartment complex, whereas Republicans got to drive.

01:11:17.000 That means that Democrats can clear way more ground doing advocacy than a Republican ever could.

01:11:21.000 That's going to be massive for them.

01:11:23.000 Oh, that's your ballot right there.

01:11:24.000 Fill it out.

01:11:24.000 Put it in your mailbox.

01:11:25.000 You're done.

01:11:26.000 Republicans knock on doors.

01:11:27.000 They can hit a tenth of the houses.

01:11:29.000 Republicans have completely ignored this.

01:11:31.000 Those that have been paying attention to the election have mostly been concerned about the audits, which have been long drawn out, and some interesting information comes out that ultimately no one moves on and nothing happens.

01:11:45.000 Meanwhile, we can actively see the rules they're trying to change.

01:11:48.000 H.R.

01:11:48.000 1, like you mentioned, and that Like the Time Magazine article, the shadow campaign to save the election.

01:11:55.000 We know exactly what they're doing to advantage themselves, and Republicans don't care.

01:12:01.000 So maybe they should win, but maybe they won't.

01:12:03.000 Here's the dirty little secret about most changes to the electoral structure.

01:12:08.000 They don't have a huge impact.

01:12:09.000 My favorite example of this is voter ID, right?

01:12:12.000 Voter ID is this great racist plot to destroy the democratic electorate, and if the republicans get to pass voter ID, then it will be the end of democracy as we know it.

01:12:22.000 Except that actual studies of voter ID laws that have been implemented, it has no impact on the turnout.

01:12:27.000 The results are exactly the same.

01:12:29.000 And this is true.

01:12:29.000 AVR has an impact.

01:12:31.000 Automatic voter registration, motor voter, has an impact.

01:12:34.000 Um, I don't—nobody knows what mail-in's gonna do because it's just like so weird, um, compared to, like, the status quo ante.

01:12:41.000 Like, people voting from home is just so different after COVID.

01:12:44.000 Um, but I think in general, if you're too lazy to vote, you don't vote.

01:12:49.000 If you're not—if you're motivated to vote, you, like, go stand in the line.

01:12:53.000 And— Except with universal mail-in voting.

01:12:55.000 Universal mail-in voting.

01:12:56.000 Someone could knock knock on your door and you get up and your eyes are half closed and they go hi I'm with such-and-such campaign.

01:13:01.000 Did you vote yet?

01:13:02.000 And they go no like well, there's your ballot right there Why don't you fill it out learn to go?

01:13:06.000 I guess or how about the mom walks in and goes kids did you vote yet?

01:13:09.000 And they're like no mom I don't care just fill out your vote.

01:13:11.000 So we're not getting ice cream and they go fine.

01:13:13.000 Whatever.

01:13:13.000 What am I voting for?

01:13:14.000 Just vote Democrat.

01:13:15.000 Okay They fill it out.

01:13:17.000 It's the ground game I think is most important because I've seen these organizations.

01:13:22.000 I actually did, I volunteered to register people to vote at a concert for Death Cab for Cutie back in, this was like the Obama period.

01:13:31.000 And so, guess what?

01:13:33.000 Every person there was voting Democrat.

01:13:35.000 So you've got people like Scott Pressler.

01:13:37.000 He's registering Republicans.

01:13:38.000 He's very effective, and boy, do they go after him.

01:13:41.000 But the Democrats can easily do voter registration, and when you've got your mail-in ballots sitting right there on your table, and you knock on the door, look, it may not be the lazy people who they're gonna get, but there could be negligent people who go, you know, I was gonna.

01:13:53.000 Well, why don't you just fill it out right now?

01:13:54.000 Okay, sure, I guess.

01:13:55.000 And then just put it in your mailbox.

01:13:56.000 Mailman will come take it.

01:13:57.000 That's gonna massively increase turnout.

01:13:59.000 I mean, the interesting question to me is, A, we didn't see a huge increase in turnout in 2020, so it could change in 2022, although, like, who votes in the off-site election?

01:14:11.000 The interesting question to me is, like, the historical norm is that if turnout is high, Democrats win, turnout is low, Republicans win, for the simple reason that The Republican base is smaller, but it's a higher propensity to vote.

01:14:23.000 It's like old people have nothing better to do than vote. 1.00

01:14:26.000 The Democratic base is larger, but they're lower propensity to vote.

01:14:29.000 It's like young people who are out partying in a Death Cab for Cutie concerts rather than voting.

01:14:35.000 But I think that that is shifting as the electorate polarizes along educated lines.

01:14:41.000 We at the Manhattan Institute just put out a paper that I think is really interesting talking about on-cycling or off-cycling elections.

01:14:49.000 Virginia, the big race that's coming up next week, Virginia holds its elections off-cycle, which is like in 2021, in odd-numbered years.

01:14:58.000 And that massively depresses turnout.

01:15:00.000 Or like, school board elections are usually held in Asian states that are mandatorily off-cycle.

01:15:05.000 Local elections happen in opposite years.

01:15:07.000 And you get these turnouts.

01:15:09.000 Larry Krasner, who's the progressive prosecutor, just won the Democratic primary in Philadelphia.

01:15:14.000 This was seen as a major victory for the progressive prosecutor.

01:15:19.000 18% of eligible Democrats voted in the Philadelphia D.A.

01:15:22.000 primary in, I think, March.

01:15:25.000 10% of them voted, 10 percentage points voted for Krasner.

01:15:27.000 8% voted for Carlos Vega as a Krasner one.

01:15:30.000 It's like, that's not a referendum.

01:15:33.000 So, you know, we're talking about, when you bring elections on cycle, you dramatically change the electorate, and I'm interested in, if you boost voter turnout, does that Now, with the changing party composition, actually start to, if not benefit Republicans, then shift the balance in interesting ways.

01:15:51.000 I think that's a real possibility with the Republican Party capturing lower education voters, the Republican Party capturing otherwise disenfranchised voters.

01:15:59.000 If you make it easier for those people to vote, how does that shake things up?

01:16:01.000 I think it's unclear.

01:16:02.000 Virginia is going to be a huge sign of things to come.

01:16:05.000 I hope so.

01:16:06.000 We'll see.

01:16:07.000 Neck and neck in Virginia.

01:16:08.000 Yeah.

01:16:08.000 But Virginia's gone full blue.

01:16:10.000 Yeah.

01:16:11.000 It's really funny.

01:16:11.000 You know, the area we're in, it's a tri-state.

01:16:13.000 It's Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia.

01:16:15.000 And boy, do people talk very poorly about Virginia around here.

01:16:19.000 Maryland is already bad, but these counties up here are very red.

01:16:24.000 Where we are right now, we're in one of the counties that just filed that letter saying we want to join West Virginia.

01:16:29.000 You go over the river to Virginia, and you're in Loudoun County.

01:16:33.000 You know all about Loudoun, right?

01:16:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:35.000 And then, so it's a very conflicted area.

01:16:36.000 You cross the river into West Virginia, and it's red.

01:16:39.000 I don't know if Loudoun is red or blue, but it's conflicted, and considering the state itself is supermajority now, or it's not, I don't know if it's supermajority, but majority Democrat, it's very, very interesting to see the sentiment of these people in these areas.

01:16:53.000 One of the interesting things about West Virginia is that CRT is getting to those schools as well.

01:16:58.000 It's because these activists are going and infiltrating rural areas on purpose.

01:17:03.000 I guess it'll be interesting to see how that plays out in the next few years when it comes to elections, but I think Virginia's election is going to be, I don't know, kind of, what's the right word?

01:17:12.000 It's about weather, right?

01:17:13.000 Yeah.

01:17:13.000 Yeah, I mean, and it's really interesting how the two candidates are playing it, right?

01:17:18.000 Like, McAuliffe is betting on Virginia as a blue state, and it's the kind of blue state that's motivated to turn out because they hate Donald Trump.

01:17:26.000 Right, his agenda is, Glenn Youngkin is Donald Trump in the flesh.

01:17:30.000 He's just the local, like, you think, you know, I'm terrible, Terry McAuliffe is like a, he's a career politician.

01:17:36.000 He's been governor of Virginia before.

01:17:37.000 He can't keep straight any of a number of things, including how many people in the state of COVID at any given time.

01:17:43.000 I don't know.

01:17:44.000 But that's his bet. I think Glenn Youngkin's bet is he's laying on the policy details.

01:17:48.000 He thinks people are mad about these red meat issues. He thinks people are mad about CRT

01:17:52.000 and that that will get enough turnout in the non-NOVA counties to push it over. And is

01:17:56.000 it going to happen for him? I don't know. I think you're right that everyone wants it

01:17:59.000 to be a bellwether. I'm not sure. I think if Glenn Youngkin loses, I still think Republicans

01:18:07.000 It doesn't cause me to revise that.

01:18:09.000 I think if Glenn Youngkin wins, Republicans are totally going to retake the House by a big margin.

01:18:13.000 It's going to be interesting.

01:18:14.000 I mean, this is a big election, and I think you're right, Tim.

01:18:17.000 I mean, there's a reason Barack Obama's getting involved here.

01:18:20.000 Even making comments about what happened in Loudoun County, which we can't even talk about here on YouTube because of the adult nature of what happened in that school.

01:18:31.000 But Barack Obama said, you know, it's just parents overreacting and clearly a court ruled and saw things a totally different way.

01:18:38.000 The facts speak of a totally different story.

01:18:40.000 And I think that story that we can't even talk about that.

01:18:43.000 I think there's another reason why we can't talk about.

01:18:45.000 I think it might be even politically motivated.

01:18:47.000 is is is shocking a lot of people in Virginia and is motivating them to vote against the current establishment against people like Barack Obama that are just conflating it with, oh it's just parents being crazy.

01:18:59.000 We'll talk about that in the member segment because this is a particularly graphic story and if you want to get the full details out it's not something you want your kids to hear and it's also something that YouTube probably wouldn't be happy with because it involves a lot of sensitive It involves a lot of really disgusting issues, I'll put it that way.

01:19:16.000 But I do want to talk about something while we're still live on this show, and it's a hard segue, but this is really important.

01:19:22.000 From TimCast.com, Rumble acquires Locals in a bid to expand creator economy.

01:19:28.000 The company wants to foster high-quality content by giving creators control of their content and data.

01:19:35.000 Very interesting move.

01:19:36.000 For those that don't know, Rumble is a very popular video player.

01:19:41.000 It's alternative to YouTube, essentially.

01:19:43.000 It's got a lot of independent and conservative voices on it.

01:19:47.000 And it's considered kind of like an alternative to YouTube.

01:19:49.000 There have been many.

01:19:50.000 Rumble seems to be doing really well and seems to have large coffers, as it were.

01:19:54.000 And Locals is basically Dave Rubin's answer to Patreon.

01:19:58.000 So now Rumble has acquired Locals.

01:20:01.000 I don't know what this will mean for the people of Locals who have their accounts there.

01:20:06.000 But wow!

01:20:07.000 This is a fast move.

01:20:10.000 We have a quote actually.

01:20:11.000 Quote, we felt there was an opportunity to fairly serve everyone by providing the same tools large creators have without preferencing, Rumble told TimCast via email, based on the premise that small creators like Friends and Family were no longer being prioritized on platforms like YouTube.

01:20:26.000 Privately owned Rumble launched in 2013.

01:20:27.000 The company's creators felt large platforms focus on multi-channel networks, large corporations, and brands.

01:20:34.000 Unlike other platforms, creators using Locals own not only their own content, but also the community data.

01:20:40.000 The data can be analyzed to better understand and engage the creator audience with more insight into who they are reaching.

01:20:46.000 Creators can expand their work and continue to generate revenue without outside influence.

01:20:50.000 Instead, they'll use a subscription model Locals has built.

01:20:54.000 This is particularly interesting.

01:20:55.000 Ian, what do you think about this?

01:20:57.000 I think the consolidation of corporate power is often done with good intentions.

01:21:01.000 Dave Rubin sold you out.

01:21:03.000 He got a bunch of big, big popular people in there by using his personal brand and his trust, and then he sold you out.

01:21:10.000 He made... I don't know, they haven't released how much money he got paid to sell you out, but he is a...

01:21:16.000 What do you mean by sell them?

01:21:17.000 I mean that he just got paid a lot of money and got an offer he couldn't refuse to give now control of all these people trusted Dave.

01:21:26.000 They trusted you.

01:21:27.000 Right.

01:21:28.000 And now they have no choice but to be owned.

01:21:31.000 Their data is now owned by Rumble.

01:21:33.000 This is what Google bought YouTube.

01:21:34.000 I remember that happening in 2008.

01:21:37.000 Well, so they say specifically that you own your community data.

01:21:41.000 That's what they say.

01:21:42.000 I don't know anything about this deal, to be honest.

01:21:43.000 I think the bigger issue I have with... Look, I tweeted out congrats to him for pulling it off.

01:21:49.000 I think it's fantastic.

01:21:50.000 I think there's some critiques we have.

01:21:52.000 I think it's good that the independent tech environment is growing larger and more powerful.

01:21:58.000 And ultimately, this will be good because there needs to be market competition against YouTube and Patreon and Silicon Valley.

01:22:04.000 This is what we're seeing.

01:22:05.000 However, that being said, I don't like ANY of how the system is operating.

01:22:12.000 And it's not anything personal with Rumble.

01:22:14.000 We use Rumble.

01:22:18.000 I think Locals is fantastic.

01:22:20.000 But the whole time, The Patreon fiasco happened.

01:22:23.000 This is basically, you know, Patreon bans Carl Benjamin.

01:22:26.000 They banned Lawrence Southern first, then they banned Carl Benjamin.

01:22:29.000 They basically nuked people's income without warning or notice.

01:22:33.000 Overnight, one day, you know, Carl wakes up, his account's deleted.

01:22:36.000 All his money is gone.

01:22:37.000 So what ends up happening is we see alternatives emerge saying, we're going to create centralized subscription models just like Patreon, but with our own unique version of it.

01:22:48.000 And it's the exact same problem.

01:22:51.000 That's why I'm not a fan of it.

01:22:52.000 Michael Malice, Dave sold you out, dude.

01:22:55.000 I hope that you got paid for this too, Mike.

01:22:58.000 I hope that all the people on Locals got a percentage of this buyout because it's your data that was sold.

01:23:05.000 Oh, Ian, you get pissed.

01:23:06.000 This is why we're building decentralized technology, where you can own your own data and host your own stuff.

01:23:12.000 I agree.

01:23:14.000 I mean, I've always been skeptical, even of the alternatives, because there have been alternative social media platforms that came and went, sold their viewers, deleted their content, and then just rebranded and started new again.

01:23:25.000 I'm like, wait, wait, hold on.

01:23:26.000 What about my old content that I uploaded there?

01:23:28.000 Like, oh, it's gone.

01:23:28.000 I'm like, You know, there's a lot of, you know, pump and dump cryptocurrencies also out there.

01:23:33.000 That's why I always prioritized building my own platform, my own email list.

01:23:33.000 There's a lot of bad things.

01:23:37.000 That's why I have LukeOnSensor.com, you have TimCast.com.

01:23:41.000 And I think this is the way that it's going to go, decentralized.

01:23:44.000 And I think if you ever put your hope in a centralized system or somebody else to take care of something for you, I think there's a bigger chance you're always going to be let down.

01:23:53.000 I want to put Substack out of business.

01:23:55.000 I want to put Locals out of business. 1.00

01:23:58.000 I want to put Patreon out of business.

01:24:00.000 I want to put all of these subscription services out of business.

01:24:05.000 Now that is just me being kind of hyperbolic, but the point I'm making is, you know, for one, Ian spearheading with many other people the ON Foundation's work, which is creating decentralized open source versions of these tools, which means it's not just that you'll own your data.

01:24:21.000 You'll own the domain.

01:24:22.000 You'll own the server space.

01:24:24.000 It'll be yours, and you can set it up, or you can join, like, a node where someone's got centralized server space, and then you can, you know, piggyback on it.

01:24:32.000 The issue I have here is that the solution to the problems we faced, even by someone like Dave Rubin, has been to recreate the same system, which creates the same vulnerabilities and the same problems.

01:24:42.000 Now, I don't know if I would go as far as you to say that they were sold out, because I don't know how this negatively impacts someone like Michael Malice.

01:24:46.000 Yeah, me too.

01:24:47.000 I am open to following this.

01:24:49.000 I'm really going to in the next coming weeks, because I want to know all the terms of the contract that are going to be as much as possibly publicly available, because maybe the people are going to make out like bandits on this as well as Dave.

01:24:58.000 But Dave, I had a lot of faith in you, and I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

01:25:02.000 I thought you were going to hold on to Locals for the next 20 or 30 years and really do this, at least try and do it right.

01:25:07.000 This is devastating to me.

01:25:09.000 So one thing I think you can consider is, um, and look, look, I know, uh, Dave, I know the guys at Rumble.

01:25:15.000 One thing you consider, you should consider is that...

01:25:18.000 When you sign up for a service like Patreon, Subscribestar, or Locals, you're locked in.

01:25:26.000 Whether intentionally or not.

01:25:27.000 It's not so much that they own the data, and they can claim you own the data, it's that if you build up, say, 3,000 paying subscribers on someone else's platform, and they're getting a cut of that, you can't leave.

01:25:39.000 They own you forever.

01:25:41.000 Now you can beg your subscribers and your followers to be like, guys, I'm going to be moving to a new platform.

01:25:46.000 Please subscribe there.

01:25:47.000 But I saw what happened with Patreon.

01:25:50.000 When Patreon nuked Carl Benjamin and a bunch of his fans started quitting and canceling subscriptions, it hit everybody.

01:25:57.000 So I went from having, I think we had a few thousand people donating, And then when everyone's like, sorry, Tim, I can't support Patreon, I said, I set up Subscribestar, an alternate platform.

01:26:08.000 You can support me there.

01:26:10.000 And the attrition was massive.

01:26:11.000 People did not move over.

01:26:13.000 So when I saw that, I said, centralizing people's subscriber base onto someone else's platform will always be negative towards these individuals.

01:26:22.000 And what we need is a decentralized, easy-to-install package that someone can make their own version.

01:26:28.000 At TimCast.com, the first thing we did was we hired a guy to make a very simple website.

01:26:34.000 Cost us a decent amount of money.

01:26:35.000 And then we started posting members-only content as if it was any other private subscription service.

01:26:42.000 The amount of money that we would have spent if we went with any of these platforms, be it Patreon, Locals, Subscribestore, or otherwise, it was 70% higher.

01:26:51.000 I'll put it that way.

01:26:53.000 When I saw how much they charge people to use their platforms, I was just like, they are extracting value from people.

01:27:01.000 Like locals, they're taking what, like 8-20% of your monthly income? 1.00

01:27:05.000 They take some percent of your monthly income, and now that's going to rumble.

01:27:09.000 And the value of them taking a large percent of the income is the network effect of locals.

01:27:15.000 So if you leave locals, you lose that network effect.

01:27:19.000 One of the things I think, you know, could be considered as well is that Rumble recently hired a bunch of video creators and personalities to make content for them.

01:27:26.000 I wonder who they're gonna sell their company to.

01:27:28.000 With the acquisition of locals, theoretically the integration would undercut any of their creators for making similar deals.

01:27:35.000 And now Google can buy Rumble!

01:27:37.000 And now you're gonna make out like a bandit, Chris Pavlovsky!

01:27:41.000 Good job!

01:27:42.000 I know, Chris!

01:27:43.000 I don't think this is ultimately a bad thing.

01:27:45.000 I just don't like the idea of centralizing people's incomes or anything like that.

01:27:48.000 Corporate consolidation is not inherently bad.

01:27:50.000 It's just super dangerous for liberty.

01:27:52.000 We use Rumble.

01:27:53.000 I think Rumble's great.

01:27:55.000 It's fast.

01:27:55.000 It's cheap.

01:27:56.000 It's effective.

01:27:57.000 There's no censorship.

01:27:59.000 My bigger concern is people's income being centralized and then sold around, right?

01:28:03.000 So here's what you got to understand.

01:28:05.000 And again, with all due respect to today, I said congratulations because I think he did great work and alternative media growing bigger and more powerful is a good thing.

01:28:14.000 My answer is more like, my view of this is, You don't want to work for somebody.

01:28:20.000 And it's already bad enough, there's YouTube rules, there's Twitter rules, whatever.

01:28:23.000 Making your own space where you can control it is good.

01:28:26.000 But if the idea of locals was that you would control your own community, but that Dave could then sell your community to somebody else completely undercuts what, I guess, the story was supposed to be.

01:28:40.000 I don't want someone to be like, Hey, I'm running a service.

01:28:43.000 If you use it, I guarantee you X. And then I'll say, Oh, okay, great.

01:28:47.000 Like you said, Oh, Dave's going to own this forever.

01:28:48.000 I trust him.

01:28:50.000 And then he sells it.

01:28:51.000 And now you don't know who you're answering to.

01:28:52.000 Now you don't know what terms will change.

01:28:54.000 And they could.

01:28:55.000 I don't like the idea that your income, your subscribers, your fans can be sold to someone else.

01:29:01.000 That to me is crazy.

01:29:03.000 I'm still waiting for all the details to come out of this.

01:29:06.000 And they should be coming out.

01:29:07.000 If they don't, that's when people should be worried.

01:29:09.000 But let's see exactly what the deal was.

01:29:11.000 Let's see what the contracts are going to be.

01:29:13.000 Let's see how they're going to change.

01:29:14.000 Let's see the terms.

01:29:15.000 It's going to be interesting to see how this went down.

01:29:18.000 I think it's a good thing.

01:29:19.000 Look, I'm not trying to rain on the parade, but I think being critical is fair because I've been critical of decentralized subscription services from the beginning, regardless of who owns it.

01:29:26.000 In a lot of ways, Google buying YouTube was fantastic for creators because they were able to subsidize and create the partner program and start paying people.

01:29:33.000 YouTube wasn't able to do that when it was Chad Hurley.

01:29:36.000 But the downside then is Google's corporate censorship model took over.

01:29:42.000 The fear would be if, you know, Rumble sold, which I don't think it will, though.

01:29:46.000 Well, no one ever thinks it's gonna happen.

01:29:47.000 That's true.

01:29:48.000 But it's totally legally allowed to.

01:29:50.000 I did not think locals would sell.

01:29:51.000 I did not!

01:29:52.000 Yeah, to anybody.

01:29:53.000 And then they do, but I'm not too worried about this.

01:29:58.000 I think ultimately, look, Rumble I think is fantastic, and I think them gaining more power in this space to help push back against the censorship and the big tech oligarchy, it's a good thing.

01:30:09.000 It's a good thing.

01:30:10.000 I'll just put it this way.

01:30:12.000 I don't- I've talked to people about locals, and I'm like, I think it's fantastic that Dave was like, Patreon-censor-censorious and bad, so we need our own space, and he made it, and then other people used it.

01:30:21.000 I just wish people like Michael Malice, for instance, decided to write a check for a grand to just make his own version of it, and not give away 10% of his revenue.

01:30:29.000 I just don't understand this.

01:30:31.000 This is what- this is what drives me insane, is that Tulsi Gabbard, Michael Malice, you know, who- uh, other people who are using locals, and- and again, no disrespect to locals, but just in terms of these people, You go online, you say WebDev, they'll say, we can make you this exact thing for a thousand bucks, we'll have it done in overnight.

01:30:50.000 Finger snap.

01:30:52.000 Nah, I just don't get it.

01:30:53.000 But I guess people have said they want the network, that it's like, you're on this platform, other people are on it.

01:30:59.000 I just wish people were more freedom-oriented, I guess, and took the responsibility upon their shoulders and protected their assets and had more control.

01:31:08.000 Maybe that's just me, maybe I'm too arrogant and I refuse to, like, give up, you know, And anything that I'm doing to anybody else for any reason.

01:31:18.000 I had my subscription service for seven years.

01:31:21.000 So I believe in that idea as well.

01:31:23.000 Decentralization is the idea that I think we should be promoting, but we could promote it by giving, by being examples of it rather than just following the herd and the flock.

01:31:31.000 I just, I just don't understand it.

01:31:34.000 Guys, I'm just going to say one more time.

01:31:37.000 If most of these services have a 10% fee, that means if you have 100 patrons and they're each giving you $10, you're getting $1,000 a month, you're giving $100 per month to that company.

01:31:50.000 Now that can make sense if you're not expecting to have a large following.

01:31:54.000 But let's say you have 1,000 people giving you money.

01:31:58.000 Now you have, you know, $10 per person.

01:32:01.000 You're getting $10,000.

01:32:02.000 You're giving $1,000 per month to these platforms.

01:32:05.000 For what?

01:32:06.000 For a one-time fee of $1,000?

01:32:08.000 A web dev can make you a simplified version of this.

01:32:11.000 That's why I'm like, we need to make free and open source software that we can just give to people and they can get their domain.

01:32:18.000 12 bucks, they can get some server space, 50 bucks, spend a one-time rate.

01:32:23.000 If they've got, you know, uh, I guess the problem is people are like, how do I even get to the point where I have a thousand bucks unless I use someone else's infrastructure?

01:32:29.000 And I'm like, save up, uh, save up money, do what you can, because then you hire a guy for a, for a, for a thousand bucks.

01:32:37.000 And maybe you can even get it cheaper if you've got a friend or, or you can learn how to do it yourself.

01:32:41.000 It is, it is plugins.

01:32:43.000 It is WordPress.

01:32:43.000 It is plugins.

01:32:44.000 It is simplified.

01:32:45.000 You can make it.

01:32:46.000 Server space is extremely expensive.

01:32:48.000 There's no perfect solution, which is why one hasn't been created yet, but know that if someone else has your data, they're gonna sell it.

01:32:56.000 And they may not, but think like that.

01:32:58.000 The amount of money that we would have given away, TimCast.com, if we went with any one of these platforms, We could have started six companies with the money we've saved.

01:33:11.000 Easily that's what's crazy to me. I know the cost of bandwidth. I know the cost of development and I look and I'm

01:33:18.000 just like How come we don't have someone going to these these

01:33:22.000 individuals like Michael malice for instance?

01:33:25.000 We're a huge fan of being like, hey Michael, here's a guy, pay him one time, he'll make the site for you, and you don't have to give anyone money ever again.

01:33:31.000 It's all yours.

01:33:32.000 Don't give it away.

01:33:33.000 I just don't understand that.

01:33:34.000 I just don't get it.

01:33:36.000 But you know what?

01:33:36.000 Look, look.

01:33:37.000 That's just me.

01:33:38.000 You know?

01:33:39.000 I see something and I don't understand why people are just giving things away.

01:33:43.000 Instead of trying to build up something that is secure and unbannable.

01:33:48.000 But hopefully, I'll put it this way before we go to Super Chats.

01:33:51.000 What we're working on should, should put these companies out of business.

01:33:54.000 All of them.

01:33:54.000 I don't care their political ideology.

01:33:56.000 I'm not, not necessarily because some people won't want to buy a server space and install a package, but we're going to make it so that instead of having to worry about the thousand bucks to hire the web dev, all that work's going to be done.

01:34:07.000 And you're going to just click a link and it's going to say, drag and drop this into your, onto your, into your server file.

01:34:12.000 Here's how you do it.

01:34:13.000 And then boom, you have a subscription service website done.

01:34:17.000 And here's all the other people using the service, and then you can pick who you want to see, you can whitelist and blacklist corporations, it's gonna be great.

01:34:23.000 Free.

01:34:23.000 Yeah, it's all free.

01:34:24.000 Free.

01:34:25.000 100%.

01:34:25.000 And that means the only costs you will have is the credit card exchange rate, which is like... And server costs, which can be insane.

01:34:32.000 So that's a big part of this, is server costs.

01:34:35.000 Figuring out how to mesh network servers, or use library, or have it local... It'll always be cheaper than what you'd give to a private company that's seeking to profit off of your subscriber base.

01:34:44.000 Yes.

01:34:45.000 And especially as it scales up.

01:34:46.000 They do a lot of the work for you.

01:34:47.000 That's what makes those companies look nice.

01:34:50.000 But that's what we're doing.

01:34:50.000 We're doing the work for you.

01:34:51.000 But we also do have torrent-based video hosting.

01:34:56.000 And there are other platforms that can do extremely low cost.

01:35:00.000 I mean, interestingly, Rumble is one of them.

01:35:01.000 They do very low cost hosting.

01:35:03.000 And so at a certain point, You don't need these services to function like this.

01:35:10.000 It's like WordPress plugins, man.

01:35:12.000 I'm not even kidding how ridiculously easy it is to set up.

01:35:15.000 You get a WordPress, you download subscriber plugin, double-click it, and you're done.

01:35:20.000 We're just simplifying it, making it as easy as possible, like one click and the thing's all set to go, but it already is easy!

01:35:27.000 That's just me, man.

01:35:28.000 I don't know.

01:35:28.000 Look, I look at the culture war, I look at so many of these personalities who are making tons of money, and I'm like...

01:35:36.000 Why don't they have 10 more shows?

01:35:38.000 The Young Turks have a network where they've got a dozen shows.

01:35:42.000 They make money, and they dish it out to all these people.

01:35:45.000 Then they get investors, and they dish it out to all these people.

01:35:47.000 They build more shows.

01:35:48.000 They do more.

01:35:48.000 And I'm like, why aren't we doing that?

01:35:50.000 Well, we're doing that, quite literally, with the Tales from the Inverted World, with the vlog, with several other shows that we're working on, a pop culture show we're working on.

01:35:58.000 And then I just look at the right and the moderates and the independents, and I'm like, they don't do this.

01:36:02.000 They don't.

01:36:03.000 Even Peter Thiel, right?

01:36:05.000 He goes after Gawker.

01:36:06.000 He complains about fake news.

01:36:08.000 He funds Rumble.

01:36:08.000 That's fantastic.

01:36:09.000 But where's his effort?

01:36:11.000 Joe Rogan complains about CNN lying.

01:36:13.000 Joe's massively wealthy.

01:36:15.000 He could take a million bucks and be like, have at it.

01:36:18.000 They just don't do it.

01:36:20.000 But you know what, whatever, we'll do it.

01:36:22.000 And then we'll see where everyone else ends up, and now we'll go to Super Chats, because, you know, rant over.

01:36:27.000 But I do want to stress again, any alternative competition to Silicon Valley and their censorship is a good thing.

01:36:34.000 If at the end of the day, the battle we have is, Locals is not going to ban you and Rumble won't ban you, hopefully that's enough to attract more people and displace the censorious nature of Silicon Valley.

01:36:44.000 It's not, because Rumble can ban you at any time.

01:36:47.000 I'm sure it says that in their Terms of Service.

01:36:50.000 They do.

01:36:50.000 They have community guidelines.

01:36:51.000 Trust no centralized service to maintain your life for you.

01:36:55.000 That is your job.

01:36:57.000 Yeah.

01:36:58.000 Yeah, I don't think people saw Facebook going where Facebook went.

01:37:01.000 In the early days, people probably were just like, oh, this is cool.

01:37:03.000 It's like a simple service.

01:37:04.000 And now it's like they track everything about you.

01:37:07.000 They know when you poop.

01:37:08.000 They're building a metaverse.

01:37:10.000 They bought Instagram.

01:37:11.000 My God.

01:37:13.000 All right, all right.

01:37:13.000 Well, go to Super Chats.

01:37:14.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, and go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we're going to have a members-only segment coming up at around 11 or so p.m.

01:37:22.000 You don't want to miss it.

01:37:23.000 And we'll talk a bit about Loudoun County and how awful, you know, all that stuff is.

01:37:28.000 Alright, we got Hairball.

01:37:29.000 I'm not religious, but I'm praying Kyle gets a fair trial.

01:37:32.000 Yes.

01:37:33.000 I agree.

01:37:34.000 A fair trial.

01:37:35.000 It doesn't have to be one-sided.

01:37:37.000 I don't have to get what I want.

01:37:38.000 I just want it to be fair, right?

01:37:40.000 Sounds good.

01:37:41.000 Alright, Scove says...

01:37:44.000 Minnesota National Guard here.

01:37:45.000 Phase 1 of mandatory VACs has begun.

01:37:48.000 Phase 2 will be the UCMJ portion, but it's not finalized yet.

01:37:52.000 Currently, 15% have refused in my unit and will be flagged, barring them from re-enlisting.

01:37:58.000 They've already begun UCMJ paperwork.

01:38:01.000 Wow.

01:38:02.000 Wow, crazy.

01:38:05.000 All right, let's see.

01:38:06.000 Fearless Soldier says, it was awesome meeting all of you at the event.

01:38:10.000 Keep fighting the good fight and keep up the momentum.

01:38:12.000 You guys have a lot of people that care about you.

01:38:14.000 Thank you very much.

01:38:14.000 Thank you.

01:38:17.000 All right.

01:38:19.000 Evil Zombie Hamster says, Tim, you saying you've been on sets last night reminded me of a question I've had for a while now.

01:38:24.000 Did you do a small cameo in Detective Pikachu just after 30 minutes into the movie pushing Bill Nighy off screen?

01:38:30.000 It really looks like you.

01:38:31.000 The answer is no, I didn't.

01:38:34.000 That's a weird question.

01:38:35.000 That's funny.

01:38:35.000 I am, however, in two episodes of A Thousand Ways to Die.

01:38:39.000 Oh.

01:38:39.000 That's right.

01:38:40.000 You didn't die.

01:38:41.000 No, I was Sk8erGuy.

01:38:43.000 My friend was a production assistant and their Sk8erGuy quit. 1.00

01:38:47.000 Like, didn't show up.

01:38:48.000 So she called me and she was like, dude, we need Sk8erGuy for this episode. 0.90

01:38:53.000 Can you come?

01:38:54.000 And I was like, I guess.

01:38:55.000 And she was like, we'll pay you 50 bucks.

01:38:57.000 And I was like, ooh, and it cost me 50 bucks to get there because I had to take a cab because it was a last minute thing.

01:39:01.000 So I break even basically.

01:39:03.000 And I got to be on this show.

01:39:04.000 So you're IMDB Sk8erGuy?

01:39:07.000 I don't think so.

01:39:08.000 I was accused, because the show premiered after Occupy Wall Street, I was accused of trying to use Occupy Wall Street fame to get to become an actor or something.

01:39:16.000 And then I had someone wrote an article accusing me that saying that I moved to Los Angeles to become an actor, which is like the most absurd lie ever because I'm a skateboarder and I moved to LA because the skateboarding is good.

01:39:27.000 And mostly just because it's California.

01:39:29.000 You know you made it when there's people accusing you of being a crisis actor.

01:39:32.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:39:35.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:39:36.000 What's we got?

01:39:40.000 What does it say?

01:39:41.000 Cynosexual says, tell Ian to do research into chemical ice nucleation for weather modification.

01:39:47.000 Whoa.

01:39:47.000 Wow.

01:39:51.000 All right.

01:39:53.000 Kyle Miller says, anyone want to bet that the media is going to cover the Rittenhouse case and Alec Baldwin longer than the fall of Afghanistan?

01:40:00.000 Oh, you bet.

01:40:01.000 I mean, but let's, let's be real.

01:40:02.000 The Rittenhouse trial is going to be for, I think, two weeks.

01:40:04.000 I think so.

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:05.000 Wow.

01:40:05.000 Okay.

01:40:06.000 I'm going to have two weeks every day of some video, just like with the Chauvin trial.

01:40:10.000 I think that, that they got the catharsis out with the Chauvin trial.

01:40:13.000 I'm not getting, I'm not feeling that fervence and bloodlust that was there.

01:40:19.000 I don't know, man.

01:40:19.000 They'll ratchet up when it needs to be ratcheted up.

01:40:21.000 It is getting cold, though.

01:40:23.000 And people don't like riding in the winter.

01:40:24.000 It's true.

01:40:25.000 It's inconvenient.

01:40:26.000 It's really funny that rioters are deeply influenced by the weather.

01:40:29.000 If it rains, it won't riot.

01:40:30.000 Crime is influenced by the weather.

01:40:32.000 Right.

01:40:33.000 But crime I get, right?

01:40:34.000 Someone's like, I'm not going to go outside and rob somebody because I'll get wet.

01:40:37.000 Whereas someone's like, a black man was murdered by the police.

01:40:40.000 I could protest injustice, but it is pretty cold out, so I'll stay home.

01:40:44.000 No, it's when crime rises in the summer systematically every single year.

01:40:49.000 Nobody has a good explanation why.

01:40:50.000 There's interesting research that looks at fluctuations in prison violence in relation to when the AC is working and not.

01:41:00.000 And when the AC goes out, there's more prison violence.

01:41:04.000 So a lot of it just comes down to people are not happy when it's hot out.

01:41:09.000 I mean, I do think a lot of last year's writing just came down to people had been stuck inside for three months and this was a socially approved way to go outside and act out all of their pent-up aggression.

01:41:24.000 I'm sure there's less of that now, but they've had the catharsis once.

01:41:29.000 Paul Thonkum says a prop gun is a fake gun with no firing pin and the trigger is just spring-loaded to act like a real gun.

01:41:37.000 They keep saying a prop gun because they don't want you to realize that Alec Baldwin pointed a real gun with a real bullet at a woman and killed her.

01:41:44.000 That he doesn't believe people should have to defend themselves.

01:41:46.000 That's right.

01:41:49.000 The jaded Kriegsman says, On this day in 2001, the Patriot Act was signed, eroding our freedoms and emboldening federal authoritarianism.

01:41:57.000 Restore the 10th.

01:41:59.000 Restore our rights.

01:42:00.000 Interesting.

01:42:01.000 10th Amendment?

01:42:02.000 Heck yes.

01:42:03.000 Simone9937 says, I just began listening to a book on a Kentucky county during the first civil war.

01:42:08.000 I wish I could say I had never heard the term insurrection used that much.

01:42:12.000 Huh.

01:42:12.000 So we had Shane Cashman, who's writing for Tales from the Inverted World, and I have, I am so excited.

01:42:17.000 So the first arc, I guess we're not really doing seasons or whatever, but the first season is basically a collection of stories, essays from him.

01:42:24.000 Like, you know, he met a guy and there's a cold case and his experience as a kid.

01:42:27.000 Cause we kind of wanted to like introduce him and like what his, his angle is.

01:42:31.000 Cause, cause we're skeptical, right?

01:42:33.000 The next season, Ghosts of the Confederacy.

01:42:37.000 He went down to Georgia.

01:42:39.000 He's got the story of Sherman's march to the sea and the story of the people who were there and how it affected their families.

01:42:45.000 Ghost stories, UFOs, murder mysteries, conspiracies.

01:42:48.000 It's gonna be so rad.

01:42:51.000 Yeah, just introducing, like, when you read history books about Sherman's march to the sea, I think, you know, based on what I was hearing, the people down there have a very, very gruesome telling of what it was like compared to the watered-down version of scorched earth.

01:43:07.000 He burned the South to the ground. 0.89

01:43:08.000 Yeah, it was effective.

01:43:11.000 Yeah.

01:43:12.000 But that but like, man.

01:43:14.000 Yeah, he was telling me that people did not like hearing the word Sherman down there.

01:43:18.000 Because it was like, he burned to the ground, but you know, destroying people's homes, civilians, non combatants.

01:43:27.000 There's a lot of really dark stuff there, man.

01:43:30.000 That was that wasn't the first iteration of Scorched Earth, was it?

01:43:33.000 No, it was not.

01:43:34.000 I think Scorched Earth goes way back to ancient times.

01:43:37.000 It's a tactic to retreat.

01:43:38.000 You can burn behind you.

01:43:39.000 And if you think you can't defeat the incoming enemy, you can burn your frontier and all the cities and lands and retreat into your inner country.

01:43:46.000 Kind of starve them, just like Russia did with Germany. 0.95

01:43:49.000 USSR, excuse me.

01:43:51.000 Um, I don't know what this says, but I'm CIA says, hello, Luke.

01:43:54.000 I'm not Polish, but war is Zawo.

01:43:57.000 Walsh.

01:43:57.000 What does that mean?

01:44:01.000 I have no idea what you just said.

01:44:02.000 I just tried to scramble words together, just like you did.

01:44:05.000 Wars Zawo.

01:44:08.000 Walkers.

01:44:09.000 You, you should learn Polish.

01:44:12.000 You make strong assumptions about what there's consonants, how there's consonants mapped.

01:44:16.000 What's W A L C Z. 1.00

01:44:18.000 W-A-U-C. 0.98

01:44:19.000 I don't know.

01:44:20.000 Luke can't do it this way, remember?

01:44:21.000 Well, so Luke doesn't speak Polish.

01:44:23.000 Oh, no, he can't, like, do the... Luke can't do the letters that way.

01:44:26.000 You have to see them.

01:44:27.000 I'm kind of the same way.

01:44:27.000 Yeah, I gotta see them.

01:44:28.000 Yeah.

01:44:28.000 I'm the same way.

01:44:29.000 All right, let's see.

01:44:33.000 Bill Hughes says, if Rittenhouse loses, there will be riots.

01:44:35.000 If he wins, there will be riots.

01:44:38.000 Uh-huh.

01:44:38.000 That's right.

01:44:39.000 And Matthew DeOliveira just says, why not?

01:44:42.000 But I don't know what that's a reference to, so... I don't know, but thank you.

01:44:46.000 Timey says, you can tell that it's people who know nothing about guns defending Alec.

01:44:53.000 The first thing told in our LTC class is that you're responsible for everything that comes out of the end of a firearm you're holding.

01:45:00.000 Of course.

01:45:01.000 Yup.

01:45:02.000 Yeah.

01:45:03.000 It's amazing though that the people who want crazy gun control don't believe in responsibility.

01:45:08.000 But they're related, right? It's that you can't imagine owning—a firearm's a scary thing. It's

01:45:15.000 like, you know, you hold a gun for the first time, you're like, wow, I could kill somebody with this.

01:45:18.000 And if you're the sort of person who sees that and is like, well, nobody—I understand the impulse to

01:45:23.000 say nobody should have that. I think it's wrong. I think it's, you know, ultimately a futile impulse

01:45:28.000 in America. But I understand that impulse in terms of just like that sort of passivity.

01:45:33.000 I never thought when I got into a car, man, I could kill somebody with this.

01:45:36.000 Really?

01:45:37.000 I think that all the time, getting into a car.

01:45:40.000 The gun is like very, very easy to create a lot of damage.

01:45:45.000 Like a six year old can do it, which is why it's different than most weapons.

01:45:48.000 Pretty much every other weapon.

01:45:50.000 I feel like cars can do more damage than a lot of guns.

01:45:53.000 But you need to be big and have gas in the tank and have a key.

01:45:57.000 There are about as many vehicular deaths in the United States per year as gun homicides and gun suicides.

01:46:04.000 Cars are dangerous.

01:46:05.000 Cars are really dangerous.

01:46:07.000 Yeah, they're big.

01:46:08.000 Lydia just sent me it.

01:46:09.000 It means Warsaw Walczy, which means Warsaw's fight.

01:46:13.000 There you go.

01:46:14.000 Probably you're showing the Warsaw Uprising fighting against, of course, the Nazis.

01:46:19.000 Right on.

01:46:19.000 William Gabriel says, what sword is on the wall behind Tim?

01:46:23.000 I got this from a mall.

01:46:24.000 It's a mall sword.

01:46:25.000 Oh, cool.

01:46:26.000 And it says something like seven souls sword or something like that.

01:46:30.000 I don't know what it is.

01:46:31.000 It's just, it's like a prop.

01:46:34.000 It's just a sword from a mall.

01:46:36.000 Mythical mall sword.

01:46:37.000 And we also have, you can't see us off camera, but we have the Master Sword hung up as well.

01:46:41.000 Also not a real sword.

01:46:42.000 It's from The Legend of Zelda.

01:46:45.000 And we were thinking about getting a whetstone and actually making... We'd have to redo the hilt.

01:46:49.000 It's plastic.

01:46:50.000 And make like a real... I'm pretty sure someone's probably already done that.

01:46:54.000 I'm old-fashioned.

01:46:55.000 I just have machetes.

01:46:57.000 There you go.

01:46:57.000 Yeah, I've got that cooking knife.

01:46:58.000 Luke's gotta go bushwhacking.

01:46:59.000 Yes!

01:46:59.000 Clearing the brush to go down the path into the forest.

01:47:02.000 Alright, let's see what we got.

01:47:06.000 Oh, let's see.

01:47:07.000 Jagger Tree says, misfire like a hang fire is what a bullet does, not a gun, which means it didn't burn the powder properly.

01:47:13.000 Guns can malfunction.

01:47:15.000 AB's gun worked fine.

01:47:16.000 Alec Baldwin's.

01:47:17.000 That's right.

01:47:18.000 He pulled the trigger and a bullet came out.

01:47:19.000 Oh, that.

01:47:20.000 So he's saying that a gun cannot misfire.

01:47:22.000 The bullet misfires.

01:47:24.000 People were saying that the crew was, were shooting at beer cans, the guns.

01:47:27.000 Yeah.

01:47:28.000 And they had live bullets just mixed in with all the blanks.

01:47:32.000 Bad plan.

01:47:33.000 Well, Alec Baldwin's running the show, isn't he?

01:47:35.000 He was one of the executive producers, I think.

01:47:38.000 All right.

01:47:38.000 Poor Randall says, Blaming policing as an institution is like blaming guns for violence.

01:47:42.000 Police are but a tool.

01:47:44.000 It can be wielded for good or bad.

01:47:45.000 And in most cases, the police are used for good.

01:47:47.000 The problem lies in the culture.

01:47:49.000 I agree with that.

01:47:50.000 Yes.

01:47:51.000 Andrew Sutton says, Someone should buy a racehorse and call it Brandon.

01:47:54.000 I get the feeling that people would cheer for it.

01:47:56.000 You've got to call it.

01:47:57.000 Let's go, Brandon.

01:47:58.000 Yeah.

01:48:00.000 Leif Hagen says, we need not worry when Kamala becomes president.

01:48:03.000 When she does, if she follows down the same route of unconstitutional edict, we will impeach her too. 1.00

01:48:08.000 Well, there you go.

01:48:10.000 Normies Get Out says, please don't forget that Black Rifle Coffee bent the knee and refused to stand with Kyle Rittenhouse when he was photographed wearing their t-shirt.

01:48:19.000 I don't know the full details about it, but what I was told was don't believe the New York Times when they smear Black Rifle Coffee because the New York Times is fake news.

01:48:27.000 I don't know the full details though, so I don't really know what to say.

01:48:31.000 All right.

01:48:33.000 Caleb South says, my eight-year-old daughter was listening to the news with me, and when she heard about the Fauci puppy torture, she said, so he's Corona de Vil.

01:48:42.000 That's good.

01:48:43.000 If you haven't seen Freedom Tunes' newest short, it's only 18 seconds long, but I once again provided the voice of Dr. Fauci, and you should check it out on Freedom Tunes on YouTube, because it's really funny.

01:48:54.000 It's very short, but it's funny.

01:48:56.000 All right.

01:48:56.000 Let's see.

01:48:58.000 Jesus Trisp says, a bit of topic, but is it possible Biden was trying to go Super Saiyan during the town hall?

01:49:04.000 Someone please make this meme if it hasn't been done yet.

01:49:06.000 Yeah.

01:49:07.000 When Biden was doing the Cornholio thing.

01:49:08.000 I'm sure he was.

01:49:09.000 Cause Goku, you know, he goes, ah, and then his hair spikes and turns gold and someone should make the Super Saiyan meme of Joe Biden.

01:49:15.000 I'm sure it's been done.

01:49:16.000 I would like to see it, but, um, I'm pretty sure he just has dementia and that's what the fist clenching was.

01:49:21.000 Cause you know, he has dementia.

01:49:23.000 I think Alec Baldwin was not an executive producer, he was just a regular producer, but it's kind of vague what that means.

01:49:28.000 So, uh, it is vague.

01:49:29.000 Executive producer usually is just like, you're a financier or you're spearheading the project in terms of like, you have a bunch of money and you're like, hey, I want to do this.

01:49:37.000 Hey guys, make a movie.

01:49:38.000 And then they'll be like, cool.

01:49:39.000 And then I'll come and check it later.

01:49:41.000 Producers are substantially more active.

01:49:43.000 So when I was working on documentaries and stuff like that in shorts, the executive producers were like, the executives at the company, who would screen it after it was done and say, yeah, it's pretty good, okay, we'll roll with it.

01:49:54.000 And the producers were the ones who were on set all the time instructing the staff.

01:49:58.000 The producers were in charge of the entire production when I was working, when I was producing, like, uh...

01:50:03.000 Yeah, there were six producers underneath the four executive producers on that film.

01:50:06.000 was just hosting, they would be telling me what to do.

01:50:08.000 If I was producing and hosting, I'd be telling the camera person

01:50:11.000 what to do, where to go, what to film.

01:50:13.000 And so it, that's why I think Alec Baldwin was responsible.

01:50:17.000 Executive producers typically aren't involved that much, if at all.

01:50:22.000 So it's just, you know, people get executive producer credits

01:50:24.000 all the time.

01:50:25.000 It doesn't mean much.

01:50:25.000 Yeah.

01:50:26.000 There were six producers underneath the four executive producers on that film.

01:50:30.000 Baldwin was one of the six producers.

01:50:33.000 Boris 89 says I'm an experienced Hollywood armorer.

01:50:36.000 So I can confidently tell you that the lion's share of the blame goes to the

01:50:39.000 armor of that, uh, uh, lion's share of the blame goes to the armor of that said

01:50:46.000 way too much to explain in a super chat message me, and I'll explain why I love

01:50:51.000 It goes to the armorer you're saying?

01:50:52.000 Of the set?

01:50:53.000 That's wrong.

01:50:54.000 Wrong, wrong, wrong. 0.94

01:50:56.000 Hollywood is full of a bunch of psychotic individuals who are saying, The responsibility isn't the person who's wielding a gun and pulling the trigger. 0.86

01:51:02.000 It's all three. 0.57

01:51:03.000 When I hand someone an airsoft rifle, I do the exact same things.

01:51:09.000 I don't care if it's got an orange tip on it.

01:51:10.000 I'll pull out the magazine.

01:51:12.000 I'll pull the hammer back and say, this is airsoft.

01:51:14.000 Look.

01:51:14.000 And I'll show them that it's not a real gun.

01:51:16.000 I'll show them the cartridge.

01:51:17.000 And I'll say, here's the airsoft.

01:51:18.000 There is airsoft.

01:51:19.000 There are pellets in this.

01:51:21.000 We only use biodegradable stuff, by the way.

01:51:22.000 We don't want the plastic garbage.

01:51:23.000 Good.

01:51:23.000 I'm happy.

01:51:24.000 And that's just airsoft.

01:51:26.000 Because people...

01:51:29.000 I don't care if it... We have replicas.

01:51:30.000 They're treated the exact same way.

01:51:32.000 This is what people need to understand.

01:51:34.000 If you're holding something that looks like a gun, and you treat it like, it's no big deal, it's not loaded, and you raise it up and point it at someone, guess what? 0.98

01:51:41.000 They will shoot you.

01:51:43.000 So maybe in Hollywood, they're like... I gotta tell you, I cannot imagine being on a Hollywood set where someone thinks they can draw a replica gun on someone else with no consequences.

01:51:55.000 That is insane!

01:51:57.000 Two people. 0.78

01:51:58.000 He shot her and the director. 0.63

01:52:00.000 The bullet went through her. 0.77

01:52:00.000 Yeah. 0.77

01:52:01.000 Have you seen the video of the guy in the shooting range?

01:52:03.000 And he's with his friends, and then he has the gun, and he loads it, and then he points it at his friend, and the instructor just grabs his arm, puts him in a lock, and pins him down?

01:52:10.000 Good.

01:52:10.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:52:11.000 Good!

01:52:12.000 Or when Will Smith smacks the gun down?

01:52:14.000 Yes!

01:52:15.000 That's what should be done.

01:52:16.000 Yep.

01:52:17.000 This idea that you can wield a live firearm with no responsibility is fake news, and if you work in Hollywood and you believe that, don't be surprised when Alec Baldwin kills another person.

01:52:31.000 Because if this guy goes on to work in Hollywood where he's like, no, no, no, everybody, it's fine, it was the armorer's fault, let's get a new armorer in the policy stands, No.

01:52:41.000 I tell you this, they're gonna be like, oh, maybe we shouldn't do this.

01:52:44.000 Maybe we shouldn't point weapons at each other, and maybe we should manually check.

01:52:48.000 The armorer's fault.

01:52:50.000 Dude.

01:52:51.000 Tell that to a judge. 0.99

01:52:52.000 Your honor, the weapon was handed to me.

01:52:53.000 I was told that it was not an active weapon, and then I was told to point it at the camera and pull the trigger because I was supposed to.

01:52:59.000 Yeah, okay.

01:53:01.000 All right, Tony Gillard says Yu-Gi-Oh!

01:53:03.000 tournaments after a year or a year or so of being canceled are finally coming back, and of course there's vaccine mandates and mask mandates.

01:53:11.000 Well, you can always not play Yu-Gi-Oh!

01:53:12.000 Find a different hobby.

01:53:14.000 Play Magic the Gathering, which is still not better.

01:53:16.000 Probably not better.

01:53:16.000 As a brief aside, I noticed a Walmart did go public in 1970.

01:53:19.000 That came up earlier.

01:53:22.000 Do people still play Yu-Gi-Oh?

01:53:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:24.000 Yeah, it's big.

01:53:25.000 Okay.

01:53:26.000 Yeah.

01:53:26.000 I never played it.

01:53:27.000 Did you play it?

01:53:28.000 When I was like 10?

01:53:29.000 Did you play Magic?

01:53:30.000 No.

01:53:31.000 Well, Magic's way better anyway.

01:53:33.000 Yu-Gi-Oh!

01:53:33.000 is a manga about Magic the Gathering, basically.

01:53:35.000 Because Magic the Gathering was the first card game.

01:53:39.000 And so they're basically playing some version of it, and then they made it.

01:53:42.000 My favorite thing about Yu-Gi-Oh!

01:53:43.000 is that the show makes no sense.

01:53:45.000 Like, there's no rules to the card game.

01:53:46.000 It's just like, Yu-Gi-Oh!' 's like, I'll play Blue Eyes White Dragon!

01:53:49.000 And you're like, uh!

01:53:50.000 And there's like, you can literally just do whatever you want.

01:53:54.000 The game makes no sense.

01:53:55.000 Sounds interesting.

01:53:56.000 But they eventually made rules and changed them and then like, made a real game.

01:54:00.000 All right, Wrath of Paul says, Project Veritas has a video of a New Jersey governor consultant saying he will implement vaccine mandates after he wins the election.

01:54:09.000 Of course.

01:54:09.000 He knows it's wildly unpopular and is planning on doing it anyway.

01:54:12.000 New Jersey friends vote him out.

01:54:14.000 Yeah, I would say vote him out, but if I actually thought it was possible, I think they'll blindly just vote him in and be like, yay.

01:54:21.000 And then what happens, they'll go, oh no, why is my life getting worse?

01:54:25.000 Yup.

01:54:28.000 Ignis Hydros says, hey Tim, any new shirts coming to the shop or is there too much competition in the room?

01:54:34.000 You know, we do need to get on some shirts.

01:54:35.000 We need to make some.

01:54:36.000 I don't think so.

01:54:37.000 Nah, you guys are good.

01:54:40.000 I think your store's pretty great.

01:54:41.000 We'll make competing t-shirts and then Ian can wear the Timcast version.

01:54:46.000 I want this to be dealt with in a physical fight fashion.

01:54:51.000 I think that's the diplomatic way to deal with this problem.

01:54:53.000 I think we'll start making cheap knockoff versions of Luke's shirts.

01:54:57.000 Yes.

01:54:57.000 Like, I tested positive for freedom.

01:54:59.000 We'll be like, I took a test and it said I liked freedom.

01:55:02.000 It doesn't make sense, but you know we're ripping him off.

01:55:04.000 You could have the domain, the second best political website, since of course my website is thebestpoliticalshirts.com.

01:55:12.000 I actually think we'll buy that one.

01:55:13.000 The second best political shirts dot com.

01:55:16.000 Someone's buying it right now. 0.98

01:55:17.000 I've given you too many good ideas, dammit. 0.97

01:55:18.000 I want to commission on that one. 0.97

01:55:20.000 We'll make the even better political shirts.

01:55:23.000 Or how about we make, like, better than Luke's.

01:55:25.000 Yes.

01:55:25.000 Better than Luke's t-shirts dot com.

01:55:28.000 Yeah.

01:55:30.000 Alright, let's see.

01:55:31.000 Andrew Biko says the term film shot comes from chronophotographic gun invented by James Mary in 1882.

01:55:37.000 Please look it up.

01:55:38.000 Interesting.

01:55:41.000 Andre McGruder.

01:55:42.000 If the Republicans win the House in the midterms, a Republican replaces Nancy.

01:55:46.000 Get rid of the VP, we get a Republican president.

01:55:49.000 Hmm, interesting.

01:55:50.000 Impeach them, you mean?

01:55:53.000 All right, Dozerman says, I'd like to see this guy try his BS with Michael Malice.

01:55:59.000 I love Luke, but I feel Michael would light this guy up.

01:56:01.000 I think he's talking about you.

01:56:03.000 Okay.

01:56:04.000 I'm not trying to light anyone up.

01:56:06.000 I think it's important to have different voices and different opinions, and I think it's important to have these conversations.

01:56:11.000 I'm having to talk to Michael Malice.

01:56:13.000 But it's good to have these conversations, and I'm not seeing this as a combative thing.

01:56:17.000 I'm seeing this more of an exchange of ideas.

01:56:19.000 And I've been dying to talk about the deindustrialization with the rise of globalization and the rigged war on drugs being responsible for the rise of crime in the 1970s.

01:56:28.000 But that's another issue.

01:56:29.000 I'd like to talk about pharma being involved in the drug epidemic on the after show, maybe, if that comes up.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, dude, our guest is just shaking his head.

01:56:39.000 The chrono photographic guns.

01:56:40.000 Awesome.

01:56:41.000 This was 1882.

01:56:41.000 It was it looks like a rifle and it was the predecessor of the camera, the movie camera.

01:56:47.000 We got a super chat from a Viva Frey.

01:56:54.000 Viva, he says.

01:57:01.000 I'm obviously partial to Rumble and locals, but building your own dev, are you still dependent on AWS and the like?

01:57:07.000 Peace.

01:57:07.000 And again, nice meeting you.

01:57:08.000 We'll do it again.

01:57:09.000 You can use whatever hosting service you want.

01:57:11.000 You can make your own server if you want.

01:57:13.000 That might be too complicated for people.

01:57:15.000 And we certainly can set up some, you know, hosting services.

01:57:19.000 It can be expensive, but I'll put it this way.

01:57:22.000 There's a reason why these platforms charge a percentage.

01:57:25.000 They're making money off you.

01:57:27.000 That's fine.

01:57:28.000 They've done the work and they're cutting a profit.

01:57:30.000 I just think that if we can create a simple program for free, and then you take on the personal responsibility of maintaining your subscriber data, it can never be sold to outside corporations.

01:57:43.000 People's privacy will always be protected from Google or any other company that might want to buy or infiltrate or, you know, whatever.

01:57:50.000 And you'll save a lot of money.

01:57:52.000 I will say this.

01:57:53.000 The percentage you give up to these companies is insane compared to the actual cost.

01:57:59.000 It's like an order of magnitude more.

01:58:01.000 But I think it would probably only cost for us like One to two percent, you know, to like maintain the system.

01:58:11.000 Right now we're using Rumble for members stuff.

01:58:14.000 What would the cost of that be if we were hosting it locally?

01:58:20.000 If we hosted our own videos?

01:58:22.000 Way more.

01:58:23.000 That's the challenge is someone can pay $10 a month and then watch one video a thousand times and cause a thousand times the cost to your server.

01:58:33.000 So you could build something in where like you get to watch it once for a subscription.

01:58:37.000 I'm not worried about that.

01:58:38.000 It's like an equation.

01:58:40.000 The more content we're producing on Members Only, the more money we lose.

01:58:44.000 Right?

01:58:44.000 So we have some Tales from the Inverted World Members Only conversations.

01:58:47.000 You were hanging out with Shane, right?

01:58:48.000 Yeah, we did a show on Monday.

01:58:50.000 So if someone pays 10 bucks and they get one video per, you know, Monday through Thursday, and then we add Friday, which we did, and now we're going to add Sunday nights, that means we're spending more money, but we're getting the same amount from the individual because we're increasing the value, you know, percentage for the user.

01:59:07.000 That's good.

01:59:08.000 But it's also why you'll see Netflix or Hulu be like, we're raising the cost because we have too much content and people are watching way more.

01:59:14.000 And so now we can't afford to cover the cost of bandwidth.

01:59:16.000 But either way, I think that's less relevant to the fact that 10% of the amount of money

01:59:22.000 you make as a creator is way too much.

01:59:26.000 Way too much.

01:59:27.000 It's an insane profit.

01:59:29.000 Let's put it this way.

01:59:30.000 Go to Graftreon.

01:59:32.000 Look at like, you want to go to Graftreon right now?

01:59:35.000 Yeah.

01:59:35.000 Graftreon.com.

01:59:36.000 Go and look up the top creators and tell me who's the top creator.

01:59:41.000 How do you spell Graftreon with an F?

01:59:43.000 Graf and then T-R-E-O-N. 1.00

01:59:46.000 P-H?

01:59:47.000 Yeah.

01:59:47.000 Graf.

01:59:48.000 Graftreon.

01:59:52.000 I want to tell a story while I'm doing this.

01:59:55.000 Can't type in a word.

01:59:56.000 So once upon a time, Ian couldn't.

01:59:57.000 True crime obsessed is number one.

01:59:59.000 Then we have Chapo trap.

02:00:00.000 How many, how many, how many?

02:00:02.000 46,705.

02:00:02.000 How much money they make?

02:00:04.000 If it $10 a month minimum, that's $467,000 a month.

02:00:07.000 Oh, it doesn't have one.

02:00:08.000 Okay.

02:00:09.000 So, so number two, Chapo trap house, 36,734 patrons, $162,000 a month.

02:00:15.000 It does not cost $16,000.

02:00:16.000 Is it $162,000 you said?

02:00:18.000 Yeah.

02:00:19.000 It doesn't cost $16,000 per month to run a member service.

02:00:24.000 They are giving away $16,000 per month for no reason.

02:00:30.000 For a one-time cost of a grand, you can have someone build out exactly what they get from Patreon.

02:00:35.000 Yeah, especially if you're hosting your stuff on Rumble.

02:00:38.000 You don't have to host your own data, that's the point.

02:00:41.000 It costs money to have private bandwidth.

02:00:46.000 So when we have Rumble, we gotta pay a lot of money for that.

02:00:49.000 It is expensive.

02:00:50.000 It is very expensive.

02:00:51.000 It is substantially less expensive than giving away 10%.

02:00:54.000 That's mind-blowing that Chapo's giving away $16,000 per month!

02:01:02.000 You could hire a web dev on a six-figure salary!

02:01:06.000 To work for you year round to develop and maintain the site for you and it's WordPress and plugins.

02:01:12.000 And you could pay less.

02:01:13.000 You could, you could hire a dev at eight grand a month and cut your costs in half.

02:01:18.000 I just don't understand it.

02:01:19.000 But I guess people, what they don't know, they don't, they don't know.

02:01:23.000 So hopefully we can change all that.

02:01:25.000 Right?

02:01:26.000 Oh yeah.

02:01:27.000 All right, let's see.

02:01:29.000 Brian Knowles says, Ian, watch Dave Rubin's episode that aired today.

02:01:32.000 He publicly explains all of the terms and conditions of the acquisition.

02:01:34.000 He didn't get a payout.

02:01:36.000 Interesting.

02:01:37.000 So you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta relax, see?

02:01:40.000 I do have to relax.

02:01:41.000 So he sold the company, but he didn't get a payout.

02:01:42.000 Is that what I was just told?

02:01:44.000 Yeah.

02:01:44.000 Well, that's what they're saying.

02:01:45.000 Yeah.

02:01:45.000 Okay.

02:01:45.000 I'll find out.

02:01:46.000 I'll look for it.

02:01:47.000 So what does that mean?

02:01:48.000 The Badu says, yo Ian bro, chill out.

02:01:51.000 Dave is still invested in Locals and the co-founder is still the CEO of Locals.

02:01:55.000 You don't know what you're talking about bro, look into it.

02:01:58.000 So what does that mean?

02:01:59.000 Does that mean that Rumble bought a portion of Dave's equity?

02:02:06.000 I mean, an acquisition requires some exchange.

02:02:10.000 Maybe Dave got stock in Rumble or something, or like private equity in Rumble or something like that

02:02:15.000 in exchange for it?

02:02:17.000 Yeah, I got to look into this more.

02:02:19.000 Yeah, my approach to the whole thing the whole time was create decentralized tech so you can never be banned again.

02:02:26.000 I don't see Rumble and Patreon as solving that problem, ultimately.

02:02:30.000 I still think it's good what they're doing, but I don't see it solving the problem.

02:02:35.000 Not in the long run.

02:02:36.000 In the long run it's going to be this.

02:02:38.000 You want to follow me?

02:02:38.000 I say follow me at, you know, tim at timserver.com.

02:02:44.000 And then I own the server.

02:02:46.000 No one can ban me.

02:02:47.000 When you open your website and look at your feed, you'll see tweets from me, kind of like RSS.

02:02:53.000 And no one can ban me.

02:02:54.000 Ever.

02:02:55.000 Someone can say I don't want to see him and block me from their website, but can never ban me, can never take away my revenue, my subscribers.

02:03:01.000 You are invincible.

02:03:03.000 All right, we'll do one more Super Chat here.

02:03:05.000 We got Chad Michael Taylor.

02:03:06.000 He says, Tim, I am the manager of a comic and game store, MTG, Warhammer, etc.

02:03:11.000 We are fighting the culture war here.

02:03:13.000 Just started vlogging from the shop.

02:03:14.000 Cool, glad to hear it.

02:03:15.000 I think we're going to be opening a game shop on Freedomistan.

02:03:18.000 Yes.

02:03:19.000 We gotta build a big building, and the problem is steel costs are through the roof, so it is very expensive, and we're having a hard time, because these companies are just... I call a company, I'm like, hey, I need a steel building, and they're like, okay, we'll call you back, and I'm like, and then they call me back, and they waste my time, and they ask me a bunch of questions, I'm like, guy, I need, you know, we're looking at like 75 by like 100 or something.

02:03:42.000 And I'm like, we got a lot of work to do before winter.

02:03:44.000 Can you do it?

02:03:44.000 And they're like, well, let me call you back.

02:03:45.000 And I'm like, click, dude.

02:03:48.000 It's frustrating.

02:03:49.000 Probably just need to hire a project manager to run the whole thing. 1.00

02:03:53.000 Matt Lucas says Dave got stock, is a salaried employee, his bro-in-law is CEO.

02:03:59.000 Interesting.

02:04:00.000 Well, we'll see how it plays out.

02:04:01.000 I think it's a good thing.

02:04:02.000 But we'll wrap it up there.

02:04:04.000 If you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, go to TimCast.com, become a member.

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02:04:15.000 Charles, you want to shout anything out?

02:04:17.000 Yeah, sure.

02:04:18.000 Thanks for having me on the show.

02:04:19.000 You can follow me on Twitter.

02:04:20.000 I'm at Charles F. Lehman.

02:04:22.000 L-E-H-M-A-N. 1.00

02:04:23.000 Yeah, it was a good time.

02:04:25.000 Cool.

02:04:26.000 Right on, man.

02:04:26.000 And thanks for having me.

02:04:27.000 And seriously, thank you for sending me this important reminder of my people's history.

02:04:32.000 This was first used as a symbol for Polish resistance and the underground movement during World War II.

02:04:39.000 The communists, when they took over Poland after World War II, they made this illegal.

02:04:45.000 So it was a sign of resistance under the Solidarity Movement.

02:04:48.000 So sincerely appreciate it.

02:04:50.000 And if you guys want to send us stuff, make sure to address it to us.

02:04:55.000 And the address is on TimCast.com.

02:04:57.000 And this also reminds me that not all hope is lost.

02:05:01.000 No matter what the odds, you could always fight for what is right.

02:05:05.000 And that was also the theme of the video that I made on LukeUncensored.com today as well.

02:05:10.000 Hope to see some of you guys there.

02:05:12.000 One of your commenters is saying that I am trash or a trash can emoji, but on the other hand, another of your commenters said that I look like a 60s G.I.

02:05:19.000 Joe action figure, and that was awesome, so I'm considering this yet.

02:05:24.000 I'm going to walk away with a ladder.

02:05:26.000 It's a draw.

02:05:26.000 I love it.

02:05:27.000 Thanks for coming, guys.

02:05:28.000 This was fantastic.

02:05:29.000 You can follow me at iancrossland.net.

02:05:31.000 Happy to be here.

02:05:32.000 See you later.

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02:05:36.000 We will see all of you over at TimCast.com for that member segment.

02:05:39.000 Thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 26, 2021

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