Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - AOC Gets COVID After Partying Maskless In Miami, SLAMMED For Hypocrisy w-Mike Rowe

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:09.000 She is recovering at home.

00:00:11.000 And this comes very shortly after she was seen partying maskless in Miami.

00:00:16.000 I don't really care that she got COVID.

00:00:18.000 Everybody seems to have gotten it.

00:00:20.000 I don't really care that she was partying in Miami.

00:00:22.000 In fact, I think it's pretty cool that people got into Miami and party because they want to go somewhere where they can be free.

00:00:27.000 What I don't appreciate is her repeated attacks on these states, like Florida, where they allow people to live their lives and take responsibility for themselves.

00:00:36.000 She had complained about Texas getting rid of their mask mandates. 0.99

00:00:39.000 She's championed the governorship and the politicians in New York for their policies

00:00:43.000 like mask mandates and vaccine mandates, and then goes down to Florida, flouts everything

00:00:49.000 that she claims to support, and then there she is getting sick with COVID.

00:00:54.000 So a lot of people are pointing out the hypocrisy, and we'll get into that.

00:00:57.000 And we've also got CNN now coming out and saying, and this is surprising because it

00:01:02.000 comes from a CDC director, that COVID hospitalizations may be inflated by 40% because they're listing

00:01:10.000 people hospitalized with COVID as opposed to from COVID, for which there is a very big

00:01:17.000 We'll talk about all that.

00:01:18.000 Plus, we've got a story about a suspected Antifa arrested in Florida with a pipe bomb.

00:01:22.000 Crazy story.

00:01:23.000 And joining us to talk about this and more is Mike Rowe.

00:01:27.000 That's true.

00:01:28.000 I'm here.

00:01:29.000 Thank you.

00:01:29.000 Hey, thanks for coming, man.

00:01:31.000 I can't decide if I'm in a studio or a boardroom or like backstage at QVC where all the tchotchkes imagined might be for sale. 1.00

00:01:40.000 It's impressive.

00:01:41.000 Well, you're referring to Ian's rock collection.

00:01:43.000 Oh, is that what it is?

00:01:44.000 Might we get a wide shot here for a moment?

00:01:45.000 Oh yeah, let me see it.

00:01:46.000 Ian has a rock collection on the table you can't normally see.

00:01:49.000 Your viewers would definitely want to drink that in.

00:01:51.000 That's obsidian.

00:01:53.000 We've got some pyrite.

00:01:55.000 Iron pyrite?

00:01:56.000 Luke's got machetes.

00:01:58.000 You never know.

00:02:00.000 Especially, you know, with as crazy as things have been getting, man.

00:02:04.000 How would you describe yourself?

00:02:07.000 I think most people know who you are, to be honest.

00:02:10.000 Homo sapien, six foot, mostly upright.

00:02:13.000 The voice from that TV show people watch sometimes?

00:02:17.000 You know, that's really where it started.

00:02:18.000 If there's a wildebeest trying to get through the vast reaches of the barren Serengeti, but leaving the herd and getting slowly eaten by the crocodile or the hyena, it's probably me.

00:02:29.000 And it never works out for the wildebeest, by the way.

00:02:32.000 And you also do Dirty Jobs.

00:02:34.000 You've got a podcast, you have a foundation.

00:02:36.000 Yeah, Dirty Jobs has been on the air 20 years.

00:02:38.000 Wow.

00:02:39.000 20 years straight.

00:02:40.000 We just started a new season last week, actually.

00:02:44.000 I was 15.

00:02:45.000 Good for you.

00:02:48.000 That's terrific.

00:02:52.000 It's really been the greatest, luckiest privilege that I could do.

00:02:58.000 It's a TV show on the one hand, but it launched a foundation that I've been running now for 14 years, and it's given me a weird seat at the grown-up table when it comes to talking about things like the definition of a good job or the value of a college education versus an apprenticeship.

00:03:18.000 So I never planned for any of it, but because of that show and other shows like it, I get to run a foundation and mouth off to Congress from time to time, and it's a kick.

00:03:29.000 Sounds great.

00:03:30.000 It's a blast.

00:03:31.000 We'll get into all of it.

00:03:31.000 We'll talk about it.

00:03:32.000 We got Luke hanging out.

00:03:33.000 Well, Mike, thanks so much for coming on.

00:03:34.000 We definitely don't like Congress, so anytime you can mouth off against them, we definitely approve of that.

00:03:39.000 And before we begin, we wanted to remind everyone that when the corporate media in unison tells you that there's no mass formation psychosis, that means that there's no mass formation psychosis.

00:03:51.000 And that's why I made this fictional shirt which says, Mass formation psychosis that maybe you could get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.

00:04:00.000 And I just purely from the bottom of my heart wanted to thank all the fact checkers out there.

00:04:05.000 I almost thought the government was being tyrannical there for a second.

00:04:08.000 Thank you so much for clearing everything up for me.

00:04:11.000 This should be a great episode.

00:04:12.000 Thanks for coming.

00:04:13.000 Hey, Ian Crossland, what's up?

00:04:15.000 You can follow me at iancrossland.net.

00:04:16.000 Michael, you ever go by Michael?

00:04:18.000 My brother's name is Michael.

00:04:20.000 It's Mr. Michael.

00:04:22.000 I hope that one day you'll do the voice of Planet Earth, the series.

00:04:25.000 Oh, is that what you were talking about?

00:04:25.000 I did.

00:04:27.000 Sigourney Weaver was hired originally, and when they did the reboot, I did it.

00:04:32.000 Beautiful.

00:04:32.000 Cool.

00:04:33.000 And here's to many more seasons of that.

00:04:33.000 Thank you.

00:04:34.000 That would be awesome.

00:04:35.000 Thanks.

00:04:35.000 One of my favorite planets, actually.

00:04:36.000 It's beautiful.

00:04:37.000 It's a good one, yeah.

00:04:38.000 It's a good one.

00:04:38.000 I'm very happy.

00:04:39.000 Big fan.

00:04:39.000 I am also here.

00:04:40.000 I'm delighted to have Mike.

00:04:41.000 Oh, hey, look, it's the top of my head.

00:04:43.000 Is that Dianne Feinstein?

00:04:44.000 I got this awesome... Okay, I'm showing everyone this awesome picture of Dianne Feinstein.

00:04:47.000 Are you related to her?

00:04:47.000 Are you related?

00:04:48.000 Yeah, she looks just like my grandma, doesn't she?

00:04:50.000 She's so cute.

00:04:51.000 I love her.

00:04:51.000 Anyway, I'm here.

00:04:52.000 Why did you just switch to a camera shot of Dianne Feinstein?

00:04:54.000 Because she's more important than me.

00:04:55.000 No, it's because I had it on the room shot and it doesn't put it right backwards.

00:04:58.000 So let's go.

00:04:59.000 Anyway, I'm here.

00:05:00.000 I'm not Dianne Feinstein tonight.

00:05:01.000 I'm very excited to have Mike Rowe tonight.

00:05:03.000 I'm delighted to talk about all this stuff.

00:05:04.000 I did not finish my college education and I think that's great.

00:05:08.000 So I hope, hopefully we get into some of that stuff.

00:05:10.000 I'm very excited to rag on college.

00:05:11.000 We'll get into that.

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00:07:29.000 Coincidence?

00:07:30.000 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez caught COVID after partying in Miami.

00:07:34.000 I mean, that's the gist of the story.

00:07:36.000 We saw the news over the past couple of weeks that AOC was seen hugging people, getting kissed by people, partying at a drag club.

00:07:44.000 And this is coming from a person who has routinely ragged... Actually, you know what?

00:07:48.000 Let me just pull up the tweet.

00:07:49.000 We got this tweet from AOC herself, where she said 93.2% of Texans aren't fully vaccinated.

00:07:55.000 Mind you, this is March 2nd.

00:07:56.000 The state just endured one disaster worsened by selfishness and denial of basic science, and now conditions are being set for another.

00:08:03.000 Repealing the mask mandate now endangers so many people, especially essential workers and the vulnerable.

00:08:08.000 So perhaps her concern over the mask mandate was only because of limited vaccinations, And now she's changed her opinion?

00:08:16.000 Sure, that's fine.

00:08:17.000 But she's also criticized Ron DeSantis of Florida, which I would just say is wrong, because she's choosing to go party in his state while criticizing him for the policies that allows her to go party in his state, and now she has COVID.

00:08:29.000 So, poetic justice?

00:08:30.000 Or what?

00:08:32.000 Well when you try to silence speech when you weaponize ... compliance and you disregard your own decrees that you ... complain about other people not following you're not on the ... side of good it's also important to note here that ... with this particular tweet on March of 21 that she of course ... is asserting that people will get hurt that would there will ... be some devastating consequences.

00:08:32.000 Hypocrisy?

00:08:54.000 Because of Texas moving away from mandates moving ... away from top-down centralization of power of ... force against the people who are living there and the ... numbers don't lie when you look at what happened in Texas ... after this and you compared to what happened in New York ... there's a story there that of course is being hidden away ... from the general public.

00:09:11.000 That's how I see it.

00:09:13.000 And I don't wish anyone be sick.

00:09:16.000 I don't think we should be celebrating anyone be sick.

00:09:20.000 But this is the story that's happening right now that is deserved to at least be mentioned, in my opinion.

00:09:25.000 I think if I zoom out from my ego, I want her to be healthy.

00:09:28.000 I want it to be Easy, like a low symptom or no symptom illness and be done with it and realize, OK, it's not that as bad as I thought it was going to be kind of thing.

00:09:36.000 That's what I want for the general system.

00:09:38.000 I don't want to play hate and love with this girl, whatever, but it's the policy, man.

00:09:43.000 Yeah, it's it's.

00:09:45.000 If you're in New York, if you're a congressperson, if you're a governor, and you're defending or refusing to speak up in the face of vaccine mandates and mask mandates, and then you decide, for my vacation, I'm gonna go to one of the places where they don't have these policies so I can go party, I mean, that is, that is everything wrong with politics, in my opinion.

00:10:04.000 I see, I see conservatives or Republicans being like, I don't like mask mandates, I won't wear one.

00:10:08.000 And then they don't.

00:10:09.000 I'm like, well, that's what they said.

00:10:10.000 I get it.

00:10:11.000 AOC, who's like, you know, the governor here can give Rhonda Sand to some pointers and mask mandates are important. 0.98

00:10:16.000 And then, but I'm going to go party where the governor does the opposite.

00:10:19.000 That it's the hypocrisy. 0.90

00:10:20.000 I can't stand.

00:10:21.000 The single most valuable thing right now is the thing that's most singularly missing, and that's consistency.

00:10:30.000 We're desperate for people... I don't even think it matters so much what they say.

00:10:35.000 If it lines up with what they do in a fairly consistent way, That person right now is going to be both respected and probably in demand, regardless of what side of the aisle you sit on.

00:10:46.000 You know, I live in Northern California and I wrote pretty pointedly when the whole French 1.00

00:10:52.000 laundry thing happened with Gavin Newsom.

00:10:55.000 You know, I just said, look, this is not a small thing.

00:10:58.000 You remember he was out there and he's without a mask shortly after telling everybody they

00:11:02.000 had to wear a mask and didn't help that it was a super fancy schmancy restaurant and

00:11:07.000 he was with all his buddies.

00:11:09.000 It was just a bad look.

00:11:11.000 But I just remember saying, listen, when it comes to politics, speaking only for myself, 1.00

00:11:17.000 I'll forgive stupidity. 0.99

00:11:19.000 I'll forgive people being wrong and I'll forgive people changing their minds. 1.00

00:11:24.000 But it's really hard to forgive a hypocrite. 0.99

00:11:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:26.000 Mike, there was medical professionals from the government of California coming forward and saying, along with bureaucrats, every time you have a bite, you need to put on your mask afterwards. 0.99

00:11:36.000 As they were telling people not to gather in large groups, they were shutting down restaurants all over California as he's going to have a dinner at one of the fanciest restaurants in the world with a huge crowd.

00:11:49.000 And then, thankfully, because of citizen journalism, because of people caring about this story, this story was able to get out there to the general public and show the hypocrisy.

00:11:58.000 Show just how hypocritical a lot of these people are that will ruin your life while living their best life, which is crazy.

00:12:05.000 I wonder if it's, you know, for people who align themselves with, like, the Democratic establishment or who are Democratic activists, they overlook the Newsom stuff, or the Whitmer, or the Pelosi, or the Maxine Waters, or, you know, the list goes on. 0.86

00:12:18.000 I wonder if they overlook that because their attitude is the messaging is more important.

00:12:22.000 It doesn't matter if a handful of people are flouting the rules and ignoring it so long as they're telling everyone to follow the rules to keep us safe.

00:12:29.000 And then I wonder if, you know, for post-liberal, libertarian, conservative, whatever, their attitude is, are you being honest?

00:12:35.000 Are you an honest politician?

00:12:37.000 Which is rare, to be honest.

00:12:38.000 It depends how scared you are, right?

00:12:40.000 If the populace is freaked out to an eight or a nine, they'll Absorb a level of hypocrisy that they won't when they're at a five or a six or a four or five now We're becoming I've just noticed it in the last couple of weeks.

00:12:57.000 We're becoming less scared I just had it got through it.

00:13:00.000 My folks both have it.

00:13:02.000 They've come through it It's not now just a question of how many people do you know who have had it?

00:13:07.000 it's we're starting to see and you can chalk it up to Omicron or therapeutics or the Therapeutic nature of the vaccines, whatever it is, people seem to be having a much easier ride than we were.

00:13:20.000 And so as the fear level comes down, what happens now when you recall Nancy Pelosi walking into a salon to get her hair done when she had specifically told people That you're not allowed to do that.

00:13:33.000 You feel differently now, because you're not as afraid as you were.

00:13:37.000 So there's a long tail, I think, on hypocrisy, and it's still spooling out as we speak.

00:13:43.000 I bet this is gonna be like, people that are starting to, it's dawning on them now, like, now that they're calming down, they're gonna see this, and it's gonna be like reliving trauma for these people.

00:13:50.000 So when we, or when anyone is gonna approach them about like, hey, just so you know, I'm not, don't rub their nose in it when people start coming around.

00:13:58.000 Treat it like past trauma.

00:13:59.000 Be kind and understanding.

00:14:01.000 People went through a lot.

00:14:02.000 I know a lot of people want to say, I told you so, but that's not always the best kind of approach, especially when it comes to someone coming out of a trauma-based fear state that was instituted by a lot of very powerful forces, the corporate media, the politicians, All took this situation and let's be honest here from my ... perspective exploited it to the fullest extension.

00:14:22.000 Extended that they could in a way that that ratcheted up the ... numbers of cases ratcheted up number of deaths that are now ... even in question by the government's own answers and ... explanations to what actually was going on here CNN.

00:14:35.000 was talking about gangbusters for ratings as they were obsessing about the death counter on their corporate media broadcast that of course was celebrating that they were able to ratchet up those numbers and get more viewership because of that and that is a sick mentality that deserves to be checked and they need to be held responsible for it.

00:14:54.000 You know that meme, keep calm and x or whatever?

00:14:57.000 Carry on.

00:14:58.000 Keep calm and carry on.

00:15:00.000 So, uh, I feel like the corporate press and many politicians like AOC were the ones doing the opposite.

00:15:06.000 They were telling you not to keep calm.

00:15:08.000 They were saying the end is nigh.

00:15:09.000 Panic, panic.

00:15:10.000 Yeah, they still are.

00:15:11.000 There was just an article I read maybe two weeks ago written by a doctor over at Johns Hopkins.

00:15:19.000 I forget her name.

00:15:19.000 It's not important, though.

00:15:20.000 You can look it up.

00:15:21.000 It's very specific, though.

00:15:22.000 She's laying out the hellscape of January and February.

00:15:27.000 And I've never read anything this dire.

00:15:30.000 Alright, all the hospitals will be full, all of the pharmacies will be closed, all of the shelves will be empty.

00:15:36.000 Please listen to me.

00:15:38.000 Please listen to me.

00:15:39.000 This is a doctor at Hopkins, right?

00:15:40.000 Now we're January 10th today in real time and people are looking around.

00:15:45.000 And so, what do we do?

00:15:47.000 You know, you're talking about being graceful, and I think that's great, and you're talking about we should understand, and I think that's great too.

00:15:55.000 But look, there are consequences of living at DEFCON 5.

00:16:00.000 Where's the DEFCON 1?

00:16:01.000 What's the bad one?

00:16:03.000 You can't live at one.

00:16:06.000 Maybe for 15 days, maybe for a while, but it starts to wear down.

00:16:11.000 You don't have to look too far back into history to see what happens when people get bored with being terrified.

00:16:18.000 It happens, and it's got nothing to do with numbers or statistics.

00:16:22.000 It's got nothing to do with facts or data.

00:16:24.000 It has to do with the way we're wired.

00:16:28.000 Remember in the Battle of Britain, right?

00:16:30.000 During the Blitz, those people were bombed every day and they went underground and they lived underground for For a week.

00:16:38.000 And then they started to stick their heads out.

00:16:39.000 Bombs still falling.

00:16:40.000 Yep.

00:16:41.000 You know, two weeks later, they're opening shops.

00:16:43.000 Three weeks later, they're back in school.

00:16:45.000 Bombs are still falling.

00:16:46.000 The bombs never stop falling.

00:16:48.000 But after a month and a half, it was just, look, this is bad.

00:16:51.000 This is very, very, very, very bad.

00:16:53.000 But we're not going to spend the rest of our lives in that state.

00:16:55.000 There's videos out of Syria during the civil war in places like Aleppo where the buildings are completely wiped out.

00:17:00.000 There's no sign of civilization but people, except for the people, that are carrying food and working and you're wondering.

00:17:07.000 You can hear gunshots go off in the distance but these people say it's either I just wither and die in a hole or I get out to get food and living even amidst this conflict.

00:17:15.000 I think they needed the panic and they wouldn't be able to exploit this entire situation if there wasn't a panic.

00:17:21.000 And it's important to understand they created it in many important circumstances.

00:17:26.000 With that fear comes anxiety, comes depression, comes a lot of psychological disorders.

00:17:30.000 If we look at the mental health of America, it has steadily declined over the years.

00:17:35.000 And dramatically, when COVID came to the world, because politicians were exploiting that.

00:17:40.000 And this kind of sick, deprived behavior, I think, is perfectly represented by this latest LA Times column that literally is titled, Mocking Anti-Vaxxers' Deaths Is Ghoulish, Yes, But Necessary.

00:17:53.000 That is crazy.

00:17:55.000 Imagine working at a newspaper saying this out loud and still exploiting it when again the data should be questioned here and the facts still aren't figured out here so the arguments she's making here for it being necessary it's it's such a complex web of of just emotions that they throw at you so you don't look at this calmly rationally because if you did you wouldn't be going along with any of this nonsense think about the fact that that article got passed an editor probably several editors

00:18:24.000 And so the thing that scares me is that there's somebody in the newsroom who says, you know, they enjoy mocking, or people should be mocking those who die, and then everyone around them being like, yeah, we agree with this, and so much that we want to publish this.

00:18:37.000 That says to me that we're really separated in this country from whatever it is.

00:18:40.000 Celebrating death!

00:18:41.000 It's even being neutral about it, because they may not agree, but they're obviously not disagreeing because they put it forward.

00:18:47.000 And being neutral towards evil is just as bad as being evil.

00:18:50.000 Well, there you go, right?

00:18:51.000 Good Germans.

00:18:52.000 Yeah, that's it order followers.

00:18:54.000 It wasn't the Nazi Party.

00:18:55.000 It was all the ones who sat by but look beside that it's just uh, I Forgot what I was gonna say doggone.

00:19:02.000 It was gonna be good, too It was gonna be a good one.

00:19:04.000 It was gonna be a good one.

00:19:05.000 It was good Oh as a journalist, right?

00:19:08.000 I mean somewhere along the line with an article like the one you just quoted and with the thing I was just talking about before Shouldn't somebody be asking the question?

00:19:19.000 What is persuasive?

00:19:20.000 Is it persuasive, for instance, to point to the people who, for whatever reason, haven't been vaccinated and identify them as the proximate cause of all of the problems?

00:19:34.000 Now, you can have the conversation about whether they are or whether they're not, but from an advocacy standpoint, from a journalistic standpoint, you know, do those people find it persuasive to be put into a box of deplorables?

00:19:49.000 We've had a couple people on the show we've disagreed with, and typically I'll ask them, you know, why don't you, you know, flies with honey, why don't you try and advocate and be nice and empathize?

00:19:58.000 It doesn't seem like people want to do it, right?

00:19:59.000 So this article saying we should mock those who die from COVID, obviously it's not persuasive.

00:20:04.000 Obviously it's antagonistic.

00:20:06.000 But they're doing it not because they actually want to be persuasive, at least in my view.

00:20:10.000 They're doing it because I think it is a tribal rallying cry that will generate traffic among their side, make them feel good, you know?

00:20:16.000 You're right, we... You know, you've got someone who's a really nasty person on Facebook, they see the article and they go, that's right. 0.99

00:20:22.000 I should be a jerk on Facebook. 1.00

00:20:25.000 Makes me feel good. 0.99

00:20:25.000 But this is another aspect of it. 0.99

00:20:27.000 These are talking points that are issued not just by LA Times reporters, quote unquote, but these are also similar comments expressed by world leaders like Justin Trudeau that when talking about the unvaccinated said, do we tolerate these people? 0.72

00:20:42.000 We have Rochelle, the former banker, Emmanuel Macron, who literally came on the world stage and said, these people shouldn't be considered citizens for what they're doing because they're irresponsible for their health.

00:20:56.000 These are arguments and talking points that have ratcheted up.

00:20:59.000 At this level, that are extremely insane, extremely draconian, from very powerful institutions, very powerful people, that in my understanding are very dangerous, especially when you look at them with these specific comments with a context in history.

00:21:13.000 Let me jump to this story right here from Newsbusters.

00:21:16.000 CNN, Tapper, finally discover misleading COVID hospitalization numbers.

00:21:21.000 My response to this is, conspiracy theorists 49,837, corporate press zero.

00:21:27.000 This is something that, you know, independent media has talked about for some time.

00:21:31.000 It's something that the quote-unquote conspiracy theorists have been saying for some time, that there is a difference between being hospitalized with COVID, meaning you went there for some reason, turns out you had COVID, and being hospitalized from COVID.

00:21:43.000 NewsBusters reports.

00:21:45.000 For nearly two years, and with the midterm election coming up, conservatives and Republicans were vilified as conspiracy theorists for raising questions about COVID hospitalization numbers when it came to who was there because of COVID and who just happened to be infected.

00:21:58.000 On Monday, CNN and anchor Jake Tapper finally arrived at the scene to ask the obvious questions after CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky admitted to Fox News the numbers inflated by upwards of 40%.

00:22:12.000 Tapper prefaced his late revelation by prefacing to CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta that, quote, the case numbers aren't really as significant as hospitalizations because what's important is how sick people are getting.

00:22:24.000 And since CNN had obfuscated the idea that the CDC was misleading people, Tapper had to spell out what was going on.

00:22:30.000 Over the weekend, the CDC director, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, was asked how many people are in the hospital for COVID versus how many people are in the hospital with COVID.

00:22:39.000 Meaning they're there for some reason, and it's also true they have COVID.

00:22:45.000 After playing the soundbite of Walensky admitting up to 40% of the patients who are coming in with COVID are coming in not because they're sick with COVID, but because they're sick with something else, Tapper seemed a bit surprised and called it misleading, saying, So the hospitals are still stretched thin because of this, so I'm not trying to take away from that, But if 40% in some hospitals, 40% of the people who have COVID don't necessarily have problematic COVID, they're there because they got in a car accident, they're there because, you know, they bumped their head and they're being included as in the hospital with COVID, that number seems kind of misleading.

00:23:17.000 And there you go.

00:23:18.000 I mean, it's something we've long talked about, and now finally it's hitting the mainstream.

00:23:22.000 Why is it?

00:23:23.000 Why do you guys think it is?

00:23:24.000 I think it's because Omicron's not hurting people that bad relative to the old version.

00:23:28.000 No, that's not what I mean.

00:23:30.000 What I mean is this data has been out there already.

00:23:32.000 I think Tapper got Omicron.

00:23:34.000 I don't know if he did.

00:23:34.000 And he was like, what?

00:23:35.000 This was so, this was like nothing.

00:23:37.000 Why?

00:23:38.000 Why are people wigging out?

00:23:39.000 And so now he's like, and there's the with and from thing.

00:23:42.000 And so it's all like clicking for him now.

00:23:44.000 That's my point.

00:23:45.000 Well, there's a lot of things at play here.

00:23:47.000 And I remember early on when everything was happening, there was a case of a man being shot in the head that was listed as an official COVID death.

00:23:54.000 I believe in California.

00:23:55.000 And I'm like, how?

00:23:56.000 How does that make sense?

00:23:58.000 This goes along, I believe, to what we were saying before.

00:24:00.000 If you inflate the numbers, if you make them higher, you're going to scare a lot more people.

00:24:04.000 If you make them believe that you might be a huge victim here, you might be hurt.

00:24:08.000 The chances of being hurt are high, high, high.

00:24:10.000 And as soon as I heard this story, I'm like, yes, of course, we've been talking about this for months because hospitals also are being paid for every COVID patient that they have, are also being paid for putting patients on ventilators, and are also being paid for COVID patients dying.

00:24:25.000 So, you know, I don't think there's, you know, in some instances, a financial incentive, but there is a lot of money changing hands here when the numbers go a specific way here that do allude that there is a possibility that this is true.

00:24:39.000 We got the story from USA Today.

00:24:41.000 Our ruling, true.

00:24:42.000 We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as true.

00:24:48.000 Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19, or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent, a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.

00:25:08.000 This is what people were saying all throughout the last year.

00:25:10.000 If you go to the hospital, this is from April 27th, 2020.

00:25:14.000 It's almost two years ago USA Today told us this and CNN's only now bringing it up.

00:25:21.000 In the long history of bromides, platitudes, and tropes, most have been ultimately debunked over time.

00:25:28.000 They become conventional wisdom and they collapse under the weight of their own nonsense.

00:25:33.000 Never has follow the money been debunked.

00:25:38.000 Never, ever, once has it not proven to lead you to the place where the truth is.

00:25:46.000 It might not be totally dispositive, but you can't minimize the importance of people acting in their own financial best interest.

00:25:55.000 I don't care who they are.

00:25:56.000 I don't care if they're elected.

00:25:57.000 I don't care if they're scientists.

00:25:58.000 It just doesn't happen.

00:26:00.000 That's an extraordinary thing to think about.

00:26:03.000 The hundreds of thousands, the millions of dollars that are in the wind based on a decision that ultimately is going to be reported as fact.

00:26:12.000 That's a heck of a thing.

00:26:17.000 benefits who gets something from this and for the government to incentivize and take

00:26:23.000 our money because people think it's free money. People think that a lot of these procedures

00:26:27.000 lot of these products are free. They're not we're paying for them in one way or another

00:26:31.000 but but for the government to incentivize and pay hospitals to to to to give them more

00:26:37.000 money when they have more covid cases more ventilators more debts is again incentivizing

00:26:42.000 something that is obviously something that clearly ...

00:26:45.000 shouldn't be incentivized.

00:26:47.000 And for that to happen, it's absolutely crazy.

00:26:49.000 We've been saying it for years, and now we finally know about it?

00:26:52.000 Is this the breaking point?

00:26:54.000 I think you just mentioned a moment ago, people are starting to get less scared of this.

00:26:58.000 Well, for me, there's always, I call it a POS or a period of splat.

00:27:06.000 All things have to go splat, right?

00:27:08.000 Before you punch through.

00:27:09.000 And it's not written in the stars.

00:27:12.000 I don't know when it is exactly.

00:27:15.000 But this will tip, right?

00:27:17.000 And it'll be a combination of things.

00:27:20.000 And for me, I can feel it.

00:27:22.000 I feel that a lot of things that a lot of people I hold in high regard have been saying for 18 months are getting a kind of snowball feel behind it.

00:27:34.000 And so yeah, I think, I don't know that it'll get worse before it gets better.

00:27:39.000 It might get a little weirder over the next couple of weeks, but look, if I were to guess, I'd say we're much, much, much closer to the end.

00:27:47.000 Well this goes along with the theory that I was actually talking about a few weeks ago that goes along with a lot of what medical professionals are saying is that because this Omicron is so transmissive and less lethal that it will run through people, run through countries, and then people will go out the other end with natural immunity and therefore absolutely get rid of this pandemic.

00:28:06.000 So this is a train of thinking that's out there right now and I think a lot of people in power might be realizing that and that's why we're having these shock announcements by the CDC, by CNN, Going back on essentially a lot of the falsehoods surrounding this entire story, because the game could be over in just a few weeks from now, and that means a lot of ramifications for a lot of the people that betrayed us.

00:28:28.000 It needs to be over, especially politically.

00:28:30.000 Absolutely.

00:28:31.000 It's going to be a disaster for those who are advocating for COVID policies come November.

00:28:34.000 Well this is what I said after coming from New York City is ... talking to people there they had enough they're sick of ... complying with the whims of this insanity they're sick of ... just just going along being told to obey to to get ... permission to go to the store to go to the theaters it's ... absolutely insane and for Democrats to win politically ... they have to get rid of this idea that they have to be the ... nanny state of the individual controlling every aspect of ... their existence and that's why.

00:29:00.000 With the upcoming elections, that was another reason I brought up, I think it was in the sponsor lounge that me and you were talking about this, my kind of overall theory why this is going to be ending very soon, because this is extremely unpopular, this goes against the free spirit, the free human will, and there's no way they could get away with this moving forward from my perspective, from what I see.

00:29:19.000 And there's also this feeling, as Mike explained, that it's there.

00:29:23.000 And look, I think there's something even bigger under all of it.

00:29:27.000 We can talk about the politics and we can talk about the science, but You remember Hans Christian Andersen wrote an amazing story called The Emperor's New Clothes.

00:29:36.000 Oh yeah.

00:29:36.000 Okay, now if you don't know the story, the bottom line is the emperor was convinced that his new clothes were beautiful and the tailors didn't really make any clothes at all.

00:29:46.000 He was naked and he sat naked on his throne as he was paraded down the street and all of the townspeople came out and they all oohed and aahed at how beautiful his clothes were.

00:29:55.000 And so it was just this giant, weird, happy fiction unfolding in this little town, until a kid, a kid, pointed at the Emperor and said, he's naked.

00:30:08.000 And then, right, there was a hush, comes over the crowd, and then somebody else said, well, you know, he does appear to be conspicuously nude, right?

00:30:15.000 And so if you look back at the last 18 months, guys, and ask yourself, OK, who's the kid?

00:30:21.000 Who's the kid in the crowd?

00:30:23.000 We can all probably think, you know, Joe Rogan was a pretty good kid.

00:30:27.000 We were all thinking it.

00:30:28.000 We are.

00:30:29.000 Joe's a kid in the crowd.

00:30:31.000 Ben Shapiro's a kid in the crowd.

00:30:33.000 You right I mean in a very very small way I was saying some things very very early on that got a lot of pushback with regard to wait a second I'm not I'm not trying to be disrespectful, and I'm not a Luddite, but I have some questions Especially when Gavin is dining out Nancy's getting her hair done, and I have some questions right so I think in a lot of ways to your point the The temptation to say, I told you so is something that we ought to resist, but it's also something we ought to acknowledge because if you've spent the last 18 months being that kid in the crowd and now you're finally starting to feel like, oh, wait a minute.

00:31:12.000 Okay.

00:31:13.000 So I'm not the only one that sees 40% of the people in the hospital are not there because of, but with that, that that's, Language matters.

00:31:23.000 Even little prepositions, right?

00:31:26.000 That's a big, big, big deal.

00:31:27.000 Yeah, and if you listen to them talk, Tapper at one point says that they're asymptomatic, a bunch of these 40%. 1.00

00:31:33.000 He has detected it.

00:31:35.000 And, well, maybe it's because they're getting money.

00:31:37.000 I like what you were saying about the kid in the crowd.

00:31:40.000 That's the story.

00:31:41.000 But I also wonder if there's another trope there in that That's right.

00:31:44.000 You know, the king is demanding of the subjects, do as I say or else, and then the jester mocks

00:31:49.000 him and everyone laughs.

00:31:50.000 And he says, don't laugh at me, and the jester mocks him again, and that depowers the despot.

00:31:55.000 That's right.

00:31:56.000 So that's, you know, possible.

00:31:57.000 That's kind of how I see, you know, Joe Rogan.

00:31:59.000 He's a comedian.

00:32:00.000 And when he does his show, when he does his comedy, when he does entertainment, be it

00:32:02.000 serious or otherwise, people like being a part of it.

00:32:05.000 It feels good.

00:32:06.000 So it's not necessarily the same thing as the kid saying, you know, you have no clothes and everyone kind of being like, well, he said it.

00:32:12.000 I guess he's right.

00:32:13.000 But also people feeling like now it's now it's OK because everyone's laughing together.

00:32:18.000 The point is it had to be the kid because the adults couldn't do it now in this corollary.

00:32:23.000 Look, it could have been Jake Tapper 18 months ago, but it wasn't.

00:32:28.000 It could have been Anderson Cooper.

00:32:29.000 Go down the list and look at all of the journalists who could have been that kid, who could have been Rogan.

00:32:39.000 What did it take?

00:32:40.000 to really start the splat series of dominoes to go.

00:32:44.000 It took a comedian who got famous for eating maggots on a reality show.

00:32:49.000 I don't think he ate them.

00:32:50.000 He encouraged other people to eat maggots.

00:32:51.000 No, no, no.

00:32:52.000 He would eat one to shame them into doing it.

00:32:54.000 Oh yeah, no.

00:32:55.000 Are you kidding? 0.98

00:32:55.000 Joe would eat a maggot. 0.98

00:32:56.000 And a kickboxer and a martial artist. 0.73

00:32:59.000 That's what we needed to get Robert Malone out there.

00:33:04.000 To get the whole getter thing happening.

00:33:07.000 People never know how it's going to start and we never know how it's going to splat.

00:33:11.000 But it's almost always the result of an unlikely voice.

00:33:15.000 But it's amazing how I'm just flabbergasted at the thought that Joe Rogan is our generation's Walter Cronkite.

00:33:24.000 Steve Bannon explained it to us, if you remember what he was telling us when he was here as a guest, that during the major Historical events like the Civil War or the Revolutionary War.

00:33:34.000 It's never the politicians of the people in prominence that are the significant historical figures.

00:33:40.000 It's always the laborers, the farmers, the people who are affected by these changes and decide to stand up and represent bigger ideas themselves because of how affected they are by them.

00:33:52.000 I absolutely want to talk about labor and everything.

00:33:55.000 I want to talk about this story real quick because it segues into a discussion about jobs and labor.

00:33:59.000 We have this from the Post Millennial.

00:34:00.000 Nearly 80% of Americans believe U.S.

00:34:03.000 is in a state of decay.

00:34:05.000 The poll found that 76.8% of respondents believe American society and culture is in a state of decay.

00:34:11.000 A poll from the Trafalgar Group and Convention of States Action published on Thursday revealed basically what I just said.

00:34:18.000 Just 9.8% of respondents said the country is in a state of progress.

00:34:22.000 So I bring this up in relation to what we're talking about just because I wonder if our journalists can't do the job of criticizing the establishment, the government, the narratives, being objective, or just countering the authority.

00:34:35.000 Then it seems to me like what we're actually seeing is tribalism.

00:34:39.000 Joe Rogan is smeared and slammed as far-right by many of these outlets when he challenges the establishment in this way, and these quote-unquote news organizations just shill whatever the government or establishment line is.

00:34:51.000 That says to me, it's not necessarily representative of decay in this country, although it seems like a lot of people seem to believe this country isn't decay, but that we've fractured to a point where both sides are probably looking at each other as the problem, as the decay in this country, you know what I mean?

00:35:06.000 But it's not just, it's not both sides.

00:35:09.000 Look how many sides are really involved in the rot.

00:35:12.000 Our journalists let us down in ways that we can't even imagine.

00:35:17.000 Our politicians, of course, are in it for the next election and they've let us down in, I think, a pretty equal way.

00:35:25.000 Our scientists have let us down, not because they're scientists, but because there's no consensus and they all sound so damn certain.

00:35:34.000 I don't mind you, again, I don't mind you being wrong.

00:35:37.000 But where's the humility?

00:35:38.000 Where did the humility go?

00:35:40.000 Those are three big pillars right there that I think disappointed a lot of people.

00:35:44.000 But here's a fourth and another reason why Rogan matters.

00:35:48.000 Comedians.

00:35:49.000 Our comedians have let us down.

00:35:51.000 The court jester that you referenced in Anderson's tale.

00:35:55.000 Where is he?

00:35:57.000 Right?

00:35:57.000 Now, Chappelle's doing Yeoman's work, in my view.

00:36:00.000 But I look around, I see a lot of comedians who, well, to be fair, there wasn't much they could do for a year, virtually.

00:36:07.000 It's a different world.

00:36:08.000 You know, they were hunkered down, too.

00:36:10.000 But the carefulness.

00:36:12.000 The carefulness with which comedy has unfolded or failed to unfold.

00:36:17.000 And we can blame cancel culture.

00:36:19.000 We can blame speech.

00:36:21.000 You know, there's plenty to talk about why.

00:36:24.000 But they let us down too.

00:36:25.000 Nobody was holding anybody's feet to the fire in a really meaningful way.

00:36:31.000 Some people.

00:36:32.000 And that's why I, you know, I like the story of the Emperor's Clothes, right?

00:36:35.000 And it does feel to me like it represents a decay.

00:36:39.000 It was scientists in establishment institutions.

00:36:42.000 It was journalists for the corporate press.

00:36:44.000 It was mainstream politicians who are worried about their donors.

00:36:47.000 They're all the ones who let us down.

00:36:49.000 Don't forget social media oligarchs.

00:36:51.000 This was their time to shine.

00:36:52.000 Shout out to Spotify for keeping this knowledge on the radio.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:57.000 From which Robert Malone can speak.

00:36:58.000 The censorship that we deal with on YouTube, the censorship on Twitter, the suppressing of big political stories, it is all of these people standing there watching the Emperor, which I guess just is the narrative.

00:37:11.000 Nobody wanted to be the person who would call out and say, hey guys, this doesn't make sense, does it?

00:37:17.000 As soon as anybody did, the entire crowd turned and yelled, you're right-wing, evil, evil. 0.99

00:37:23.000 And so now, Over the past couple of years, we not only had Joe Rogan, we had Ricky Gervais.

00:37:29.000 Was it the Oscars or whatever?

00:37:31.000 When he just roasted all of them?

00:37:32.000 Golden Globes.

00:37:33.000 Golden Globes, that's what it was.

00:37:35.000 We've had Ryan Long.

00:37:36.000 I mean, Ryan Long has been putting out videos that have been gaining in popularity because he's not a right-wing guy.

00:37:41.000 He's just a comedian who's poking fun.

00:37:44.000 We've got Dr. Robert Malone.

00:37:46.000 We've got Brett Weinstein.

00:37:48.000 You do have scientists, researchers, and academics who have been speaking up.

00:37:53.000 But when we look to our institutions, That's what's failed us.

00:37:56.000 Now, Joe Rogan is interesting because he kind of occupies both spaces.

00:37:59.000 He's got his Netflix specials.

00:38:00.000 He's got his mainstream arena tours.

00:38:02.000 He's on Spotify.

00:38:03.000 He's on iTunes.

00:38:04.000 But he's always been an independent voice, standing up for himself and what he believes in.

00:38:08.000 And that's kind of a bridge, in my opinion, why he's been so important, is that regular people who don't care for politics, don't care for narrative, listen.

00:38:15.000 They listen to his show.

00:38:16.000 And then when he speaks out and does challenge the system and does say F you to all the lies, he does point at the emperor and say, you're not wearing any clothes, and I don't care. 0.75

00:38:24.000 I can make a long list of things that Joe Rogan said that I don't agree with, but I have a really hard time finding an opinion that strikes me as hypocritical.

00:38:35.000 He's, back to what we said very, very early on, when you get starved for authenticity, the first thing I start to look for is anybody.

00:38:47.000 Anybody whose words match up with what they say, and who if they do overreach, if they do get in their own way, they'll be the first to admit it.

00:38:57.000 So he has a measure of the humility that's lacking in science, in my view.

00:39:04.000 He certainly has a comedian's sense of the absurd, which he uses, but most importantly, at least from what I've heard, he doesn't lie.

00:39:13.000 Well he's willing to be wrong and he admits when he's wrong and he's able to look at an issue without emotionally jumping on it and and deciding what it is immediately and the way he he articulates the way he kind of fact finds this larger question that whatever it's asked to him he goes through these motions the way he describes it is is a way that's completely totally different than the corporate media that has PR corporate talking points that they literally regurgitate and speak in unison as if they were in a religion which they are.

00:39:41.000 So I want to ask, looking back at this poll, I'm wondering why people feel that the country is in a state of decay.

00:39:48.000 Well, it's a materials issue as well.

00:39:50.000 We're on 150-year-old materials when we're working with steel.

00:39:53.000 It's super heavy.

00:39:55.000 It's decaying.

00:39:56.000 Things are rusting.

00:39:58.000 And of course, here we go.

00:39:59.000 Here we go.

00:40:00.000 I want to ask you about graphing.

00:40:01.000 No, no, no, we'll get into that.

00:40:03.000 No, no, come on, come on.

00:40:04.000 I think that we're literally decaying materials-wise.

00:40:06.000 And people don't understand, they don't understand that there could be a solution.

00:40:10.000 We're going to talk about graphene in a little bit.

00:40:11.000 That's a ridiculous segue in.

00:40:12.000 No, I think it's part of the decay that people are feeling. 0.87

00:40:14.000 I do agree.

00:40:15.000 That's not what people are talking about.

00:40:16.000 They're talking about culture.

00:40:17.000 It's combined, you know?

00:40:18.000 Society and culture.

00:40:19.000 The water we drink.

00:40:20.000 I can help.

00:40:21.000 I can help with this.

00:40:22.000 I see what he's trying to do.

00:40:23.000 And I see what you're trying to do.

00:40:25.000 And what I might suggest is at the root of this is what I think they call the second law of thermodynamics, right?

00:40:33.000 We're living in a state of entropy.

00:40:35.000 We're in a disintegrating universe.

00:40:37.000 To your point, rust never sleeps.

00:40:39.000 Sooner or later it's coming for all the steel in the world.

00:40:42.000 But it's also coming for our best thoughts and our best ideas and the things that we hold most dear.

00:40:48.000 That stuff also has a shelf life and it has to be nurtured, it has to be watered, it has to be challenged.

00:40:55.000 And when we stop doing that and accept having our belly scratched or letting ourselves be patted on the head, that's a bad substitute for that.

00:41:06.000 And that's not how you fight Newton's Second Law.

00:41:09.000 Well, I agree with you, but I think we have to have a more direct segue into this idea.

00:41:14.000 There is infrastructure decay in this country.

00:41:17.000 Our roads are falling apart, our bridges are falling apart.

00:41:20.000 We're not interested in these big projects.

00:41:23.000 I often talk about how, you know, I'm in New York and I'm crossing the Williamsburg Bridge just looking at this monolith of a structure.

00:41:29.000 That's existed since before I was born.

00:41:31.000 As far as I know, it's just there, and I get to use it.

00:41:34.000 Nobody charges me any money for it.

00:41:35.000 I can walk right across it.

00:41:37.000 And those are those big projects where, effectively, our society said, we're going to plant a tree whose shade we know we will never sit beneath, and that means the next generations will benefit from it.

00:41:46.000 When I look at this country as in a state of decay, it's because it's for this reason.

00:41:51.000 I see people self-interested, trying to extract as much as they can.

00:41:55.000 They feel like the Titanic is sinking, and they're trying to grab as much fine china and silverware they can before they get on that boat and get out of here, leave us all left, you know, drowning.

00:42:03.000 There's no community anymore.

00:42:05.000 But what I wanted to say was, I don't want to get too negative with it, because I'm wondering if, you know, seeing Joe Rogan speak up, seeing his massive success, is actually an optimistic point.

00:42:13.000 The people stealing the China don't want a community and that's why I think there's been such a concerted effort to push a divide and conquer agenda that of course puts people in different political Associations and gangs and affiliations, but we have to also recognize if someone is watching the corporate media non-stop, they are living in a totally different world than someone who doesn't watch the corporate media, who does their own homework, who does their own research and actually gets their information from different sources and is able to actually discern information for themselves.

00:42:51.000 Rather than just hear opinions and talking points that is the establishment narrative.

00:42:56.000 So these two different worlds are of course going to be clashing with each other because these are different realities that people are living under that are completely playing by different set of rules that the other one is not playing by.

00:43:09.000 I think your metaphor is pretty great.

00:43:12.000 I mean, if the economy that we're talking about here, or our country, is the Titanic, right?

00:43:18.000 And if we're talking a post-iceberg Titanic, right?

00:43:21.000 The damage has been rendered, right?

00:43:23.000 We're on the clock and things are slowly devolving.

00:43:27.000 If that's where we are right now, What's going on on the deck, right?

00:43:30.000 Some people are taking to China.

00:43:32.000 Some people are angling for lifeboats.

00:43:34.000 Some men are doing about the most incredibly selfless thing there is and stepping aside.

00:43:40.000 Others aren't.

00:43:41.000 Others are putting on wigs and dressing like women to get on the boats. 0.98

00:43:44.000 Meanwhile, you got a captain who's got so much nobility baked into him that he's absolutely 100% going down with the ship.

00:43:52.000 And then you have four dudes who fascinate me more than anybody else.

00:43:55.000 The guys in the string quartet who are playing near my god to thee.

00:43:58.000 Providing a soundtrack unlike any other for one of the greatest weirdest disasters of all time and then you have the cook You know true story the last guy in the water was the cook and he was blind drunk And he helped a lot of people into the the lat into the lifeboats his name was Joffin Charles Joffin was the last guy in the water and the only one to go into the water who lived And you can look him up, and you'll love his story Point being, there was a lot going on on the deck of the Titanic post-collision, and there's a lot going on in our country right now that belies that percentage.

00:44:39.000 I'm getting the feeling that some people are stealing the fuel out of the boats and taking 20-person lifeboats and getting on them by themselves and trying to have like these rich Not only are they taking the little trinkets, they're taking our fuel.

00:44:55.000 By printing money, they're ruining our economy.

00:44:57.000 They're destroying any hope we have of getting out of here.

00:44:59.000 My single biggest regret in this whole thing, in terms of stuff I've said on the public record, late in March, I did one of the first Zoom shows, right?

00:45:09.000 After the lockdowns.

00:45:10.000 It was with the captains of The Deadliest Catch.

00:45:12.000 And I said to Cenk Hansen in the middle of the show, you know, for the first time, and these are crab fishermen, by the way, just to stick with the nautical metaphor, I said, for the first time in my life, it really, truly seems like we're all in the same boat, right?

00:45:25.000 15 days to flatten the curve.

00:45:26.000 We're coming together.

00:45:27.000 We're going to do it.

00:45:27.000 We're all in the same boat.

00:45:28.000 Oh, bullcrap. 0.97

00:45:29.000 You know what? 0.99

00:45:30.000 We're all in the same storm.

00:45:32.000 But to your point, our boats are very different.

00:45:35.000 That guy's in a dinghy.

00:45:36.000 That guy's in a yacht.

00:45:38.000 That guy's in a freighter.

00:45:38.000 Right?

00:45:40.000 That guy's hanging on to a piece of driftwood, wondering if anybody's going to pick him up.

00:45:45.000 Right?

00:45:45.000 So we have never been in the same boat, ever once.

00:45:50.000 But, for the first time in my life, we really truly were in the same storm.

00:45:55.000 Dude, that's amazing, because if you think of every other disaster that you've lived through, right?

00:46:00.000 I can think of hurricanes up the Gulf, I can think of the wildfires in Northern California, the Dorico that just knocked Cedar Rapids, the inland hurricane, right?

00:46:11.000 We've got plagues of ants, we've got all this other stuff, but they all affect very, very specific parts of our country.

00:46:18.000 This was different.

00:46:19.000 This turned our whole country into the Titanic.

00:46:22.000 And whether you're rearranging the life, the deck chairs, or playing Nearer My God to Thee, you know, everybody's got that part.

00:46:29.000 It was the world, too.

00:46:30.000 Like, 9-11 brought the U.S.

00:46:32.000 together, kind of, for a few weeks, but this is the whole world.

00:46:36.000 Let's talk about that decay in a more material sense.

00:46:39.000 We got the story from CNBC.

00:46:40.000 Hiring falters in December as payrolls rise only 199,000, though the unemployment rate fell to 3.9%.

00:46:47.000 I love this because the story was published on a Friday.

00:46:50.000 And for those that aren't familiar, Friday is when you announce stories you don't want anyone to hear because they're not paying attention.

00:46:57.000 Because this is bad news.

00:46:58.000 But I think when we're talking about any kind of state of decay, talking about what's going on with the economy, what's going on with money printing and jobs, is a really big part of it.

00:47:07.000 And I know, especially you, Mike, have tons of experience with how the jobs market and labor works in this country.

00:47:13.000 Or doesn't.

00:47:14.000 Or doesn't.

00:47:15.000 You know, look, it's a funny thing.

00:47:19.000 The existence of opportunity is an inconvenient truth for a lot of people.

00:47:24.000 And my foundation, we started 13 years ago just trying to make a more persuasive case for a few million good jobs that existed that nobody wanted, right?

00:47:32.000 It was really just better PR for welders, steam fitters, pipe fitters, mechanics, and so forth.

00:47:38.000 These 11 million jobs that are currently open right now, the vast majority don't require a four-year degree.

00:47:44.000 They require training.

00:47:46.000 So, you're probably old enough to remember, shop class was a thing once upon a time.

00:47:53.000 Shooting Club was too.

00:47:54.000 That's right.

00:47:55.000 Yeah.

00:47:55.000 And Home Ec was too.

00:47:56.000 Yes.

00:47:57.000 Like, real skills.

00:47:59.000 And whether you were into that or not, you know, the fact that they existed in high schools gave a whole generation a front row seat to the optics of labor.

00:48:09.000 You could at least look at a job and understood Understand at a glance that it exists, right?

00:48:16.000 That doesn't happen anymore.

00:48:17.000 We took shop class out of high school.

00:48:19.000 And that, by the way, was no mean trick, right?

00:48:22.000 It used to be the vocational arts.

00:48:24.000 So we took the art out of it, called it VoTech, changed VoTech to shop. 0.88

00:48:28.000 Then we walked it around behind the barn and shot it in the head.

00:48:31.000 And when we did that, the unintended consequences, we're still seeing.

00:48:36.000 People wonder why college is so expensive?

00:48:38.000 Well, hell, we just spent 50 years telling an entire generation that they're completely screwed without a four-year degree.

00:48:44.000 So, we free up a bottomless pile of money to borrow in pursuit of that degree.

00:48:50.000 Meanwhile, we affirmatively tell that same generation that there's a whole category of jobs that are beneath you Which, surprise, surprise, just happen to be the very jobs that are currently going begging right now.

00:49:02.000 So, we're lending money we don't have to kids who can't pay it back to train them for jobs that don't exist anymore.

00:49:07.000 And that's what that headline's all about.

00:49:09.000 People don't seem to understand this.

00:49:09.000 Yeah.

00:49:10.000 When we talk about, they say, you know, 4 million people unemployed.

00:49:14.000 What is the number?

00:49:15.000 Four and a half million people quit their jobs last month.

00:49:17.000 Quit their jobs last month.

00:49:18.000 They quit their jobs.

00:49:20.000 And then you have 11 million job openings.

00:49:23.000 And so, People who look at that at a cursory glance, they don't understand somebody who quits their job as an insurance broker or middle manager at a cracker factory can't go become a petroleum engineer or even a plumber.

00:49:36.000 So there may be a job opening in certain trades or in certain industries that don't correlate so we have that problem.

00:49:42.000 I feel like there's something fascinating in my experience with a lot of people of my generation, millennials, where they don't understand basic economics.

00:49:51.000 And I don't mean the math.

00:49:53.000 I mean, quite literally, how to come about resources and food.

00:49:56.000 So, you know, I talked to the average person from my hometown or that I know went to college, and their idea is, if I want to pay rent, if I want to eat food, I have to get a job.

00:50:07.000 And in order to get a good job, I need a degree.

00:50:09.000 Whereas my mentality has always been, I suppose maybe because I rake leaves for money, or mowed lawns, or shoveled snow.

00:50:17.000 You know, growing up in Chicago, if I needed money, I'd have to go figure out how I can do it.

00:50:21.000 So, I'm a little kid, and so, you know, I asked my dad, like, what do we do?

00:50:25.000 I want to buy a toy.

00:50:26.000 He's like, well, make money.

00:50:27.000 I'm like, how?

00:50:28.000 And he's like, I don't know, figure it out.

00:50:30.000 So me and my brother, we make Kool-Aid.

00:50:32.000 We go to the park and we have a pitcher and we'd sell glasses of Kool-Aid at the baseball games.

00:50:36.000 Or we'd take a rake and go ask people if they want to give you money and I'd knock on doors.

00:50:41.000 Hey, I'm willing to do a job for you in exchange for money.

00:50:43.000 I didn't need a degree.

00:50:44.000 I didn't need to go and ask an employer to employ me or fill out forms.

00:50:48.000 It was literally like I could ask another person if there was an exchange to be made.

00:50:50.000 I feel like our generation, my generation, doesn't understand that.

00:50:53.000 Well, they're being given a binary choice and it's a false choice, right?

00:50:58.000 It's not one or the other.

00:50:59.000 I remember in the debates, Rubio said something.

00:51:04.000 He said, what the country needs are fewer philosophers and more welders. 0.56

00:51:10.000 And my social blew up.

00:51:12.000 My foundation blew up.

00:51:13.000 They were like, hey, this guy gets it.

00:51:14.000 He's saying what you've been saying.

00:51:16.000 And I said, well, Actually, no.

00:51:19.000 I'm not saying the problem with society is too many philosophers.

00:51:22.000 I'm saying it would be nice if we had more philosophers who could run an even bead.

00:51:27.000 And it'd be nice if we had more welders who could talk intelligently about Nietzsche and Descartes.

00:51:32.000 And it's not like one or the other.

00:51:34.000 You can't say, oh, look, I'm going to be a leaf raker and not be curious about the rest of the world.

00:51:39.000 The thing I didn't have when I went to community college in 1980 was this thing, right?

00:51:44.000 I didn't have this little handheld device that ties me into 98% of all the known information in the world.

00:51:52.000 So if I just have a healthy sense of curiosity and an internet connection, all right, well guess what?

00:51:58.000 Two weeks ago I watched a lecture at MIT for free.

00:52:01.000 Now that thing would have cost thousands of dollars.

00:52:04.000 But it's now it's all available virtually for free to anybody.

00:52:10.000 And so if you look at it through that lens, the idea that we're still saying that the most expensive path is the best path for the most people.

00:52:20.000 That's a big lie, and that's messing stuff up.

00:52:23.000 There's a great joke real quick.

00:52:25.000 Someone posted on Reddit once, if you could go back in time and say one thing to shock the people of the past, what would you say?

00:52:32.000 And someone commented, I have in my pocket a device which grants me access to the summation of human knowledge.

00:52:38.000 I use it to argue with strangers and look at pictures of cats.

00:52:42.000 That's a great quote.

00:52:43.000 I definitely don't want to generalize too much, but Mike, I wanted to ask you this.

00:52:48.000 With colleges raking in so much money, with them indebting so many children, brainwashing so many of them, a lot of people are arguing that colleges by and large cause more harm than good.

00:52:59.000 What's your kind of understanding of that?

00:53:01.000 Especially when it comes to the current situation in this country, which I would say is in part responsible because of this indoctrination system, which some people call an education system.

00:53:12.000 Well, there it is.

00:53:13.000 Just once, I would like to be able to say what I mean and not have somebody hear it and hit it back over the net in terms of Micah's anti-education.

00:53:23.000 I'm not.

00:53:24.000 For the record, I'm going to be as clear as I can on your podcast. 1.00

00:53:29.000 If you're not educated, you're screwed. 0.99

00:53:32.000 Alright? 0.99

00:53:33.000 Now, having said that, if you think the only place you can get an education is a university, you're screwed in a different way.

00:53:41.000 That's the big deception.

00:53:43.000 We've got it baked into our heads that the only place to get a worthwhile education is the most expensive place in the world.

00:53:52.000 That's why we have 1.7 trillion dollars in student loans.

00:53:56.000 And obscenely, that's why we continue to hear about how those loans ought to be forgiven.

00:54:02.000 Now this makes me crazy because in my world, you know, we've trained 1,400 people through my foundation to work in usually the construction fields.

00:54:12.000 Those are the most popular, welders in particular.

00:54:15.000 I know a lot of people who have done really well, who've gone through the program and they're working now and they've paid $40,000-$50,000 to buy a truck.

00:54:23.000 They need their truck for their business.

00:54:25.000 Big old diesel truck.

00:54:26.000 You know, these things, they don't grow on trees.

00:54:29.000 Nobody's arguing to pay off the loan on that truck.

00:54:33.000 These are people who build our homes.

00:54:34.000 These are people who keep the previously aforementioned infrastructure running.

00:54:40.000 These are people who are fighting on the front line against the second law of thermodynamics.

00:54:45.000 And we're not going to... Nobody's proposing for a moment that we help subsidize the tool that allows them to do that job.

00:54:54.000 And yet, we will argue from the rooftops about why it's good and fair to pay off a college debt.

00:55:01.000 What do you think about paying off all the interest on all the college loans and then make the loan companies eat the interest?

00:55:07.000 Ian, you've got to clarify.

00:55:08.000 Paying off?

00:55:09.000 Just make it good to zero.

00:55:10.000 All interest is now zero.

00:55:11.000 The government stealing money and using it to pay for other people.

00:55:14.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:55:16.000 Eliminating interest rates is just interest rates.

00:55:20.000 I'll give you specifics.

00:55:21.000 I have like $19,000 in student loan debt I've had for 21 years.

00:55:25.000 I pay the minimum monthly and I have more debt now at $21,000 than I did 21 years ago because I've just been paying the minimum.

00:55:35.000 I've also had it on forbearance at times when I couldn't afford it.

00:55:38.000 Which to me is like, if I just got that interest to zero, I'd owe like $12,000.

00:55:41.000 Because everything I've paid is just paying back interest.

00:55:44.000 This is, I think, similar to what you were saying.

00:55:46.000 One of the issues I have is I think the interest rates are predatory and a lot of young people are being effectively ripped off.

00:55:52.000 So I think there's a good middle ground and maybe we can suspend interest rates, but you've got to pay back what you spent, something like that.

00:55:58.000 But the issue is the way that the narrative is framed.

00:56:01.000 Why don't we talk about any other debt?

00:56:02.000 Why is it that, you know, college degree holders are some of the highest income earners in the country, so we're effectively giving some of the wealthiest free money or a forgiveness.

00:56:11.000 Well, let's talk about other areas where we can, you know, better the country or give people some relief.

00:56:15.000 You like UBI?

00:56:17.000 Do I like it?

00:56:18.000 Yeah, what do you think about it?

00:56:19.000 No, I don't like it.

00:56:20.000 And you know what?

00:56:21.000 I don't have a great reason other than I don't believe the primary purpose of work is transactional.

00:56:30.000 I don't believe you guys are sitting around this table for the paycheck.

00:56:35.000 I'm sure you enjoy it, but it's a crooked road that we're all on.

00:56:40.000 And if you're only here for the money, my guess is you're not going to have much of an audience.

00:56:44.000 Money's a tool to get these cameras, these microphones, and then the message is limitlessly valuable.

00:56:51.000 It's a symptom of a well-intended and well-executed plan.

00:56:59.000 Unless you're born into it.

00:57:00.000 Well look, nobody starts this race at the same line.

00:57:04.000 It's not fair.

00:57:05.000 I get all that.

00:57:06.000 I get all that.

00:57:07.000 And as far as the interest goes, look, I'm really of two minds, right?

00:57:12.000 I really pity, genuinely pity, the pressure that we've put on a whole generation of kids.

00:57:19.000 When we lean into them to sign on the dotted line, and when guidance counselors and parents and everybody forms, you know, along with your peers, The pressure to borrow the money you borrowed is really obscene in my world.

00:57:37.000 Now, does that mean I think the guy or the woman who didn't take that loan, who went a different way, do I think they should be on the hook to pay off one penny of that?

00:57:47.000 I don't.

00:57:48.000 But I do think we can do a much, much better job of informing The next generation, and I'm not saying your problem doesn't matter, it's a bad deal.

00:57:59.000 I knew I was getting into it when I got into it.

00:58:00.000 I didn't understand compound interest to the nth degree, but I knew that there was going to be compound interest.

00:58:04.000 And financial literacy is part of this, too.

00:58:07.000 Teaching that with HOMEC and some semblance of a skilled trade.

00:58:12.000 And, you know, getting a kid through high school, understanding compound interest, understanding basic skills, teaching work ethic, for God's sakes.

00:58:22.000 You know, there's a way to do it.

00:58:23.000 What do you think is a great way for young people to get into some sort of trade right now, or someone that maybe has lost their job over the last two years?

00:58:31.000 What's like a few starting steps?

00:58:33.000 Well, look, if you're willing to roll up your sleeves, if you're willing to learn a skill that's in demand, I can personally tell you right now, I don't know of a single construction operation, and I know hundreds of them, who aren't hiring like crazy.

00:58:47.000 We have been trying to expand and build and we are jammed up because there's a labor shortage, there's a materials shortage.

00:58:55.000 So should a young person just cold call construction companies and let them know I'm ready?

00:59:01.000 Listen, you'll find I'm very, very careful with cookie cutter advice, but If it were me, yeah.

00:59:09.000 I'd do what he did.

00:59:10.000 I'd knock on doors and say, I want to make money.

00:59:13.000 And here's what I'll do.

00:59:14.000 I'll show up early.

00:59:15.000 I'll stay late. 0.98

00:59:16.000 I'll take a bite of the crap sandwich when it comes along. 0.99

00:59:18.000 What do you need? 0.99

00:59:19.000 What skill should I dedicate the next six months of my life to learning?

00:59:24.000 If it's welding, so be it.

00:59:25.000 Who's your best welder?

00:59:26.000 By the way, I'll work for free.

00:59:28.000 I'll start...

00:59:30.000 I'm telling you, I've never seen this kind of opportunity available. 0.66

00:59:34.000 And I will get, I'll catch all kinds of hell for saying this, because to your point earlier, when we talk about the existence of opportunity, there's a giant tendency of a lot of people to go, those jobs suck!

00:59:47.000 Those jobs don't pay enough.

00:59:49.000 That's because your capitalist, greedy, rapacious bosses are just simply not offering a fair wage.

00:59:57.000 And that's what my buddies on the left say.

00:59:59.000 My buddies on the right say, universally, well, you know, the skills gap.

01:00:03.000 You know, you got 11 million open positions because people are fundamentally lazy and shiftless.

01:00:07.000 Right?

01:00:08.000 And that's the problem.

01:00:10.000 It's a binary lie. 0.88

01:00:12.000 Spoiled might be another word to describe some of these individuals.

01:00:15.000 One thing I've often talked about is, when I started doing the work that I did, and Luke as well, because I've been working with Luke for like a decade, we're sleeping on couches.

01:00:26.000 When I would travel to other countries for work-related projects, Luke would be like, hey, I'll come down, let me crash on your hotel couch or whatever, because it saves money.

01:00:34.000 But when I talked to a lot of these, when I started working for Vice, so many people would say, I want to do what you do, I want to travel around.

01:00:41.000 And then I would tell them, did you know that I sleep on a couch right now?

01:00:44.000 When I worked for Vice, and they were paying me to fly around and report this news, and people assume it must be this glamorous, glorious job, and I must be getting paid so much money, and I was sleeping on my buddy's couch.

01:00:56.000 He'd wake me up at two in the morning, smoking pot, being like, what up?

01:00:58.000 And it was funny, but it was stressful at times.

01:01:01.000 And then I talked to these other people that were like, I really want to do that job.

01:01:04.000 And I'm like, well?

01:01:05.000 You know, you're making money.

01:01:07.000 Why don't you go buy a plane ticket?

01:01:08.000 And like, oh, my rent is two grand and I want to have this really nice apartment in Williamsburg.

01:01:11.000 And I just be like, I don't even have that.

01:01:13.000 Yeah.

01:01:13.000 So what's what's your priority?

01:01:15.000 Well, comfort.

01:01:16.000 It was comfort, not not the mission.

01:01:18.000 So you brought that point that no one here is doing this for the paycheck.

01:01:22.000 And I'll say this, too.

01:01:22.000 I mean, just the paycheck, just the paycheck.

01:01:25.000 You know, as long as I've known Luke, Luke got started with like a Handycam and he was confronting politicians and powerful elites because he was passionate about it.

01:01:33.000 I got started with a little tiny GoPro I just put on my computer screen and I would talk about things I saw on the news that I had feelings about.

01:01:39.000 From there, you planted a seed and I just wanted to keep doing it.

01:01:43.000 I wanted to keep going, I wanted to keep traveling, I wanted to keep talking about stuff and somehow, me in my living room with a GoPro turned into, we got all these cameras everywhere and these lights, And the money was secondary to all of it.

01:01:55.000 It was having a camera turned on, talking about what I think, what I feel, what I've researched, proving the liars wrong, fact-checking, that's what I cared about.

01:02:04.000 Now here we are with a company, we're building more, and I gotta be honest, money is not a factor in what our plans are.

01:02:13.000 I don't put together, say, the CastleVlog, where we have the chickens and stuff, because I was like, man, we're gonna make so much money off this.

01:02:20.000 I was like, I wanna do something cultural.

01:02:22.000 We don't make money off of it, but we're having these videos.

01:02:25.000 We're showing people behind the scenes.

01:02:26.000 We're building culture.

01:02:28.000 We're trying to inspire young people.

01:02:30.000 That's everything we're doing.

01:02:31.000 We're fortunate enough to be able to expand.

01:02:33.000 Also, we just launched a charity that basically we're building decentralized software, social networking software, so people can host their own content and have subscriptions directly without any kind of middleman.

01:02:42.000 That's great.

01:02:43.000 Fighting censorship.

01:02:44.000 With that company, I could take 50 million and hire, like, 50 developers and start building a factory where we'll mass-produce raspberry pies or something like it, pre-loaded with the software, turn it around, keep it pro- If they're willing to work.

01:02:55.000 And it's complex to launch that system.

01:02:57.000 You need, like, a lot of prep and oversight.

01:03:01.000 Well, I also just want to say, yeah, I also want to say it's very hard to find a lot of labor.

01:03:07.000 Thank you, Tim, for the couches.

01:03:08.000 I appreciate those very much.

01:03:09.000 They're very important for me.

01:03:11.000 But I think there's also an aspect here that we should talk about, and that is the impact of social media that glorifies the super rich and the excess that a lot of people strive to, of course, have this kind of cooking.

01:03:25.000 You said earlier, it's different for everybody.

01:03:26.000 I'd have to know who I was talking to, but I can tell you in general a lot of people I know who start welding wind up with a plumbing certification, and many of them wind up with an electric certification, and many of them wind up buying a couple of vans and hiring three or four people, and now they have a mechanical contracting business.

01:03:45.000 Nobody talks about the incredible number of small businesses that begin with the mastery of a skill, not with the acquisition of a diploma.

01:03:55.000 Right?

01:03:55.000 I'm not saying that it doesn't happen that way.

01:03:58.000 I'm just saying that we got really, really good at telling one narrative.

01:04:03.000 When college got the PR campaign it needed back in the late 70s, we needed more people going to big schools.

01:04:12.000 We needed more doctors.

01:04:13.000 We needed more scientists.

01:04:15.000 That was real.

01:04:16.000 And the PR push that came with it was also real.

01:04:19.000 The problem is, like all PR, the push for college was terrible because it came at the expense of all other forms of education.

01:04:28.000 Regarding medicine and like doctorship and stuff, I've thought that maybe 12 years is insane and that if someone can take the test and pass the test in real time, they can do the work, then they're qualified to be the doctor.

01:04:41.000 I would love to see that evolution.

01:04:42.000 Is that something you ever think about?

01:04:44.000 Not much, because the medical field has a set of challenges that are outside of my lane.

01:04:51.000 But I will tell you, just by way of example, I took a young woman named Chloe Hudson on Fox & Friends about a month ago.

01:05:00.000 She came through our foundation and she wanted to be a doctor.

01:05:02.000 Specifically, she wanted to be a plastic surgeon.

01:05:05.000 Super, super short version of the story, but she was ready to sign on the dotted line.

01:05:10.000 And she was looking at roughly $400,000 in medical debt over the course of whatever it was, six years.

01:05:18.000 And she just freaked.

01:05:19.000 She just said, I'm not going to do it.

01:05:21.000 So she applies for a work ethic scholarship from my foundation.

01:05:25.000 We give her six, $7,000 maybe, maybe?

01:05:29.000 You know, we didn't even pay for the whole thing.

01:05:32.000 You know, we just helped.

01:05:33.000 She got what she needed though.

01:05:35.000 Today, four and a half years later, she's making $130,000 a year at Joe Gibbs Aerospace.

01:05:42.000 She's one of their lead welders.

01:05:44.000 This is a woman who's 28 years old, beautiful, defies every pre-existing concept you have of what a welder is supposed to look like. 0.99

01:05:52.000 And she's killing it. 0.97

01:05:54.000 She's killing it. 1.00

01:05:55.000 So, part of my job today is to talk about all the stuff we're talking about now, but it's also to get Chloe Hudson on a billboard. 0.85

01:06:02.000 To get her on the TV.

01:06:04.000 To suggest to the producers of American Idol that we could have another show called American Icon.

01:06:09.000 And we could start treating people like Chloe Hudson the way the producers of Idol treated Adam Lambert.

01:06:18.000 And that, guess what?

01:06:19.000 That's what Dirty Jobs is for the last 20 years. 0.99

01:06:22.000 I treat a sewer inspector the way Access Hollywood treats Brad Pitt.

01:06:26.000 That's my whole deal.

01:06:28.000 Whether it's on the foundational side, the missionary side, or the mercenary side.

01:06:32.000 It would be awesome to have a show where they're on stage building the piping system and then they rush the water through at the end and see who did it right.

01:06:39.000 See whose pipes hold water.

01:06:41.000 Yeah.

01:06:43.000 That's a great show.

01:06:43.000 Well, usually the blue collar workers are a lot nicer and a lot cooler than, of course, even all the top list celebrities.

01:06:49.000 I mean, after when COVID hit, I was in the middle of New York City.

01:06:52.000 I was like, I was done with this.

01:06:54.000 I moved out to New Hampshire and I met an amazing welder and diesel mechanic named Jay Noon.

01:06:59.000 He also does man camp up in New Hampshire with the Free State Project, where he goes out.

01:07:04.000 And he literally has all the children from the community come in from the whole Free State Project and says, okay, we're going to be building stuff.

01:07:10.000 We're going to be welding stuff.

01:07:11.000 We're going to be breaking stuff down.

01:07:13.000 We're going to be building stuff back up.

01:07:14.000 And it's a way to allow children to look at what they're passionate about, to explore it in real life, and provide them with an avenue and a pathway that isn't, I'm going to be a YouTuber.

01:07:26.000 And let's be honest here when when ish hits the fan when the financial system is already crumbling and teetering on disaster those people are going to be the latest superheroes in a few years from now when we're dealing with some serious financial ramifications because those are the people that are going to be able to do something in our society compared to of course the latte Starbucks flip-flop wearing yuppies who are going to be wandering around like a horde of zombies asking for handouts.

01:07:52.000 Let me ask you this, Mike.

01:07:54.000 Before I do, real quick, just to address everybody, we had all of our internet backups just drop at the exact same time, which is particularly strange.

01:08:01.000 I'll just leave it at that.

01:08:03.000 And then we got our CTO on it, so everything should be back.

01:08:05.000 Sorry about the interruption.

01:08:06.000 Are we gonna get swatted?

01:08:08.000 Is this just a precursor to another stop in prison?

01:08:08.000 I hope not.

01:08:12.000 The reason, so I don't want to, you know, I want to take digital security as well as physical security seriously, but this may have been an intentional takedown of some sort.

01:08:24.000 We've got three, we actually have four backup lines and they all dropped at the same time.

01:08:29.000 Weird.

01:08:30.000 Yeah.

01:08:30.000 Did you get the part where Mike was dancing?

01:08:32.000 I should have warned you guys.

01:08:33.000 I have a lot of powerful enemies.

01:08:36.000 Yes.

01:08:37.000 Was the micro jumping up on the table?

01:08:39.000 That wasn't on the screen.

01:08:39.000 You didn't get me and Mike dancing on the table.

01:08:41.000 Let me ask you a question in line with what Luke was just asking about.

01:08:45.000 So there's this trope, I guess, that liberals won't survive the apocalypse.

01:08:51.000 That people in cities, they don't know how to survive.

01:08:53.000 They don't know how to hunt.

01:08:54.000 And there's a lot of people who are more rural who believe they'll probably fare better.

01:09:00.000 I think it's a bit of a fair assessment.

01:09:01.000 You know, Luke was saying these Starbucks hippies aren't going to do so well when the ish hits the fan. 1.00

01:09:07.000 And maybe these guys who got farms or at least know how to deal with chickens might do better.

01:09:11.000 But, you know, you've traveled around, you've met people of all different backgrounds, all the different dirty jobs. 1.00

01:09:15.000 How do you feel about that?

01:09:16.000 Do you think that's just a myth?

01:09:19.000 Well, if you had to choose a side, you know, I mean, it's walking dead time, okay?

01:09:25.000 Like, you're gonna have to hunker down in a place that is primarily populated with well-educated, thoughtful writers and thinkers, or hunters and gatherers and builders.

01:09:42.000 What team do you go on when things get sporty?

01:09:45.000 That's why I'd say I'd go out to the countryside and find some more conservative teams.

01:09:49.000 You've answered your own question.

01:09:49.000 Look around.

01:09:52.000 I can see where you're coming from and from where I've been, I know what I would choose.

01:09:57.000 Look, I'm... It's weird for me, after 20 years at Dirty Jobs, because people see that show and they figure that I'm that guy.

01:10:07.000 I mean, they figure that I can fix or build or replicate anything.

01:10:12.000 You know, and I don't know why, because I never do it on the show.

01:10:16.000 I simply bear witness and work as an apprentice to people who can actually do it.

01:10:21.000 I actually can't.

01:10:23.000 I mean, that gene is recessive.

01:10:24.000 My granddad had it, but I didn't, you know.

01:10:27.000 Dirty Jobs was a love letter to him.

01:10:30.000 That's another story.

01:10:31.000 My point is, you know, when we lost power for four days in Northern California at the height of the lockdowns, I never felt more helpless.

01:10:43.000 There's nothing I could do except watch my meat in the refrigerator slowly rot and watch as the temperature of the house slowly rose and the thick arid smoke of the wildfires just drifted down and a plague of ants somehow on top of all of this is in the house.

01:11:01.000 Everything was just crapping the bed contemporaneously.

01:11:04.000 It was who have the know-how to fix them when they go down.

01:11:08.000 Whatever little hiccup you just had here, I had a similar one during that time and we lost a primetime TV show.

01:11:14.000 We were 50 minutes through and we lost the whole thing.

01:11:16.000 I had to start from scratch.

01:11:19.000 But that's nothing when you think about real roads and runways and affordable electricity and indoor plumbing.

01:11:27.000 We're the people who need to be most involved in this conversation.

01:11:31.000 Do you run afoul of people that promote or just stand by and watch planned obsolescence?

01:11:38.000 Or does that come up constantly?

01:11:39.000 Are you like, we gotta fix this thing because it's broken because it was built to break so that they can sell us another one later?

01:11:44.000 I mean, yes is the short answer.

01:11:46.000 The funnier answer is, I played Tim Allen's younger brother on Last Man Standing.

01:11:52.000 And the first episode I did with him, we were standing backstage waiting for our entrance.

01:11:58.000 And we were talking about this exact topic came up and Tim like lost his mind telling me a story about how a blender broke and how he wanted to fix it with his grandson to show him how a thing can be salvaged and repaired.

01:12:14.000 But of course it can't because the whole thing's like two pieces of extruded plastic and it wasn't designed to be fixed.

01:12:21.000 It was designed to fail.

01:12:23.000 And, yeah, we missed our cue because Tim Allen was screaming about planned obsolescence.

01:12:28.000 Have you ever seen the TED Talk from the guy who tried to make a toaster from scratch?

01:12:32.000 Yeah.

01:12:33.000 Yeah.

01:12:33.000 It's amazing, isn't it?

01:12:34.000 He couldn't do it.

01:12:34.000 Can't do it.

01:12:35.000 Can't be done.

01:12:36.000 So it could be done in the sense that maybe if he tried making a steel toaster, but the plastic he could not do.

01:12:41.000 Right.

01:12:42.000 It's amazing to me that the technology we have in the civilization is dependent upon hyper-specific specialties.

01:12:50.000 A computer is not just made by one person who knows how to make a computer, it's made by probably, what, several dozen specialists in all these different areas, and more than dozens, because if you really want to get down to it, you have this factory that can make the chips, that runs the machines, that talks about the coolant fluid and all that stuff, but then you've got the people who are going to source the chemicals for it, you've got the people who are going to source the metals for it, refine the metals.

01:13:10.000 It probably takes How many, I bet somebody in the audience might actually know this, how many specialties does it take to make one modern computer?

01:13:17.000 300?

01:13:18.000 400?

01:13:19.000 More?

01:13:19.000 Probably more.

01:13:21.000 The guy who mines the copper?

01:13:23.000 Yeah.

01:13:24.000 Isn't it funny though, about how when you talk about what it takes to make this thing, right?

01:13:30.000 Or the computer, right?

01:13:31.000 Whatever little piece of tech you're most currently enamored of.

01:13:36.000 All of the companies responsible want to position themselves as innovators.

01:13:41.000 Because there's great sexiness that comes with being an innovator.

01:13:45.000 I don't care whether you're Apple or Google or Intel.

01:13:48.000 You go down the list and they all talk about their incredible ability to think ahead and innovate.

01:13:55.000 When in reality, their real talent, the dirty jobs talent, is their ability to replicate.

01:14:03.000 It's not enough to make one of these things.

01:14:05.000 You guys all want one.

01:14:07.000 In fact, if you can't make a billion of them these days, you don't really have a business.

01:14:11.000 So, language matters.

01:14:13.000 And when you see people work so hard to associate themselves so specifically with something like innovation, it's almost always at the expense of imitation.

01:14:25.000 Because imitation gets a bad rap, but these computers and all the specialities that you're talking about, that's all based on Henry Ford's vision.

01:14:35.000 It's similar with art, too.

01:14:37.000 If you can repeat yourself, if you're a master of repetition, you can be a master artist because you just keep doing it.

01:14:43.000 And then it's going to come around when that thing is when it's needed.

01:14:47.000 Well now you know that's the scarcity model, right?

01:14:50.000 If you're making art for the masses, or technology for the masses, then you better have the duplication gene down.

01:14:59.000 But if you're looking for, what, NFTs?

01:15:01.000 If you're looking for originals, you know, there's only one Whistler's mother.

01:15:08.000 There's only one Mona Lisa.

01:15:09.000 But you could say that an original is a bunch of replications pushed together into one new Uber-rep-replication that people consider original.

01:15:20.000 Like, when I write music, I take notes from songs that I heard in the past and create a new song.

01:15:24.000 We're all standing on the shoulders of giants.

01:15:24.000 Oh, sure.

01:15:26.000 Sure.

01:15:27.000 There's a great anime.

01:15:28.000 It's called Dr. Stone.

01:15:29.000 Have you ever heard of it?

01:15:30.000 No.

01:15:31.000 I can't imagine you would've, but... I've actually not watched a whole lot of it.

01:15:34.000 But it's... The premise is... I'm gonna get this wrong.

01:15:37.000 For fans of Dr. Stone, they'll get mad at me.

01:15:40.000 This genius kid and his friend... I guess everybody turns to Stone in the world for some reason.

01:15:45.000 And then thousands of years later, for some reason, this ultra genius and his, you know, friend or whatever, or he, he, he de-stones them or whatever.

01:15:54.000 Basically the premise is he's this really smart kid in a prehistoric time or an underdeveloped time, and he's developing technology.

01:16:00.000 So I've only seen a couple episodes, but he's like, I'm going to make a cell phone.

01:16:03.000 And the episode is actually him directing people to find the metals and explaining how vacuum tubes work.

01:16:09.000 And I'm like, it's like Magic School Bus, but for anime fans.

01:16:11.000 I thought it was actually really fascinating to have this, um, Action-oriented show for kids explain how a vacuum tube works and he as he's putting it together and making the glass So it's it's fascinating.

01:16:24.000 He's like okay to make the tube.

01:16:25.000 We need to make glass Here's we need to find to make the glass.

01:16:28.000 Here's what we need to make to blow the glass Here's the metal we need and then he tries to find the proper filaments, but he can't find the right You know that can withstand the right temperatures.

01:16:35.000 I think it was brilliant Because watching that, I think it would give a lot of people, especially millennials, you know, I shouldn't pick on millennials, everybody needs to understand this, that when it goes into the basics of what's in your TV, you have no idea the precision and the hard work and the trial and error that went into inventing all of these things and how we're very lucky that we've written things down and passed them on, right?

01:17:00.000 You made my own point better than I did.

01:17:02.000 That's what I was trying to say.

01:17:03.000 When you're sitting there in the dark and you can't get your own power back on, you realize just how decoupled you've come from the chain of knowledge that allows you to be your own solution.

01:17:17.000 Right?

01:17:18.000 I remember... You ever watch Star Trek?

01:17:21.000 Oh, absolutely!

01:17:23.000 Don't get me started on Star Trek.

01:17:25.000 What's the prime directive?

01:17:27.000 The prime directive in Star Trek?

01:17:28.000 Well, you can't interfere with another culture unless they've reached warp capabilities.

01:17:32.000 Correct.

01:17:33.000 All right, good for you.

01:17:33.000 And it's only because once they reach warp, they're inevitably going to encounter other civilizations.

01:17:38.000 They have to.

01:17:40.000 So I'm hiking through...

01:17:43.000 Peru, 15, 20 years ago.

01:17:47.000 Cusco to Machu Picchu.

01:17:48.000 I'm with some buddies and we hired some Sherpas to help us because we had a lot of gear and, you know, we didn't want to carry it all.

01:17:54.000 And these guys were unbelievable.

01:17:57.000 They're giant lungs, giant heart.

01:18:00.000 They would start walking around 11 in the afternoon.

01:18:02.000 We'd start walking around, sorry, 11 in the morning.

01:18:05.000 We'd start walking around six.

01:18:06.000 They'd pass us by four, running in bare feet, right?

01:18:10.000 Con permiso, con permiso.

01:18:11.000 Anyway, I love these guys.

01:18:13.000 And I had a Walkman.

01:18:16.000 I had a Sony Walkman at the time, and I was listening to Soundgarden.

01:18:20.000 Super Unknown had just come out.

01:18:23.000 And I am just walking through the clouds listening to this, and it's so great.

01:18:27.000 And on the last day, I thought, you know what?

01:18:29.000 These guys were so awesome.

01:18:31.000 I put the headphones on one of the guys, who had never been below 12,000 feet in his whole life, by the way.

01:18:37.000 Never heard an electric guitar.

01:18:39.000 And I put on Spoonman, okay?

01:18:42.000 So, watching his face, listening to Chris Cornell sing, and through those headphones, it was just like, I knew in a second, this was my gift.

01:18:54.000 You violated the proctoring.

01:18:56.000 And I've been tortured ever since, because A, like somewhere in the Andes is probably a stone-built thing that looks like a Walkman.

01:19:07.000 But then, like, what happened when the batteries went out and now the magic sounds are gone forever?

01:19:13.000 What's that gonna do?

01:19:16.000 There's this fascinating quote I heard that you could give Christopher Columbus unlimited resources and he would never build you a nuclear submarine.

01:19:25.000 Because the understanding of nuclear energy, it's beyond anything they could put together.

01:19:30.000 It's like a kid.

01:19:31.000 It's like adults aren't capable of doing the thought processes, and that's part of why we have young minds to do that.

01:19:37.000 And why are they still in office, politically?

01:19:39.000 There's something that I, perhaps mistakenly, believe is fascinating. 1.00

01:19:45.000 Probably a lot of people just think I'm being an idiot. 0.97

01:19:46.000 But I love asking people this question. 1.00

01:19:48.000 Fine line, man. 1.00

01:19:49.000 Fine line between fascination and idiocy. 0.99

01:19:52.000 But I've realized something when I would ask people this question. 0.99

01:19:55.000 How do coal power plants work?

01:19:57.000 How do they create electricity?

01:19:59.000 You know, I'd imagine, right?

01:20:01.000 So, what do they do?

01:20:03.000 How do we turn coal into electricity?

01:20:05.000 Well, you've got a turbine, primarily.

01:20:09.000 First you've got to go into the earth, you've got to get it out.

01:20:11.000 We live not far, we're sitting not far from where that happens.

01:20:14.000 And then you've got bituminous and you've got anthracite, and the approaches are slightly different, but in the end the coal's got to wind up inside a turbine.

01:20:21.000 You're getting way more specific than I normally get.

01:20:24.000 Well, I... Go ahead with your explanation, because I have a slightly different... Well, we just boil water.

01:20:29.000 Oh, okay.

01:20:30.000 Right.

01:20:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:20:30.000 Great.

01:20:31.000 You're like, here's the chemical breakdown.

01:20:34.000 We burn stuff.

01:20:35.000 We boil water.

01:20:36.000 Steam pressure spins a turbine.

01:20:37.000 That's it.

01:20:38.000 Rotating magnets generates an electrical current, and vice versa.

01:20:43.000 How do we... How does nuclear energy... How do we take nuclear or radioactive uranium and turn it into electricity?

01:20:49.000 We boil it even hotter.

01:20:51.000 We boil water!

01:20:53.000 Steam pressure spins a turbine.

01:20:54.000 And then there's the solar fields.

01:20:57.000 How do we, you know, a lot of people think it's all photovoltaic, but actually many of them just direct, someone corrected me, someone did correct me on this once, we direct all these mirrors towards a vat of salt water, I believe it's salt water.

01:21:10.000 Molten salt.

01:21:11.000 Molten salt.

01:21:12.000 That's even more, because it holds the heat for longer.

01:21:14.000 And then creates steam pressure, spins a turbine.

01:21:16.000 Boiling water.

01:21:17.000 Boiling water.

01:21:17.000 Yeah.

01:21:18.000 So you're talking about, uh, what do you do when your power is out and you can't, you know, get that going?

01:21:22.000 Well, the problem is getting a turbine.

01:21:24.000 Yeah.

01:21:24.000 There's your problem.

01:21:25.000 So it's like even, even understanding something as basic as steam pressure can spin something, you know, it's, it's not particularly complicated.

01:21:32.000 How do you build a turbine?

01:21:33.000 You're gonna need some copper.

01:21:35.000 You have to get a lot of copper and coil it, do it properly.

01:21:38.000 It's, it's crazy.

01:21:39.000 I just finished a show called Six Degrees, which sounds a little bit like Dr. Stone.

01:21:44.000 It's kind of a magic school bus sort of thing.

01:21:47.000 Surprising connections that take you down this serendipitous line of invention.

01:21:54.000 But part of the thing that I really wanted to do with that show was...

01:22:00.000 There were a few things that really just chat my ass and and one is electric cars and just the idea that we're so in love with them because electricity is so much better than fossil fuels and you know if you if you just follow the electricity back from the plug You know, you're going to get to a spinning turbine.

01:22:23.000 And the odds are very, very, very high that turbine is being powered by gas or oil. 0.95

01:22:30.000 And you just can't, you can't separate the two.

01:22:34.000 For all the virtue in the world, you just can't do it.

01:22:37.000 We got storage issues with power.

01:22:39.000 If we want to use wind, what happens when, you know, wind is low?

01:22:42.000 Solar doesn't work at night.

01:22:44.000 Uh, geothermal's fantastic, but you gotta be in the right positioning, you know, the right place for it.

01:22:49.000 And so, for the time being, we are heavily dependent on fossil fuels, which means burning them and creating a lot of carbon.

01:22:54.000 Lightning's gonna change.

01:22:55.000 When we can start harnessing lightning.

01:22:57.000 We're gonna boil a lot of water.

01:22:59.000 Nail a battery. 0.99

01:23:00.000 And you know why we can't, though?

01:23:01.000 We can't predict voltage, amperage, the bolts are seemingly random to us.

01:23:07.000 Yeah, you'd have to stick something way up in the sky, like a tether, maybe the space elevator to use as like a lightning rod, and then the elevator itself, the tether could be the superconductor.

01:23:15.000 The issue is we can't properly measure the output.

01:23:19.000 So, while it seems to a lot of people like, oh, you should be able to, no, we can't, because all of our electro systems have to be, they're specific.

01:23:26.000 Can we handle the load?

01:23:28.000 Typically, you're right, the load is way beyond anything we normally deal with, but we also just don't know what it is.

01:23:34.000 It's lightning, man, it's like...

01:23:37.000 Well, I think the big point is the fundamentals.

01:23:40.000 Boiling water is fundamental.

01:23:42.000 Building a turbine is more sophisticated.

01:23:44.000 The jobs that are going wanting right now are fundamental.

01:23:49.000 They're fundamental jobs.

01:23:51.000 And the fact that most of us have become disconnected from those jobs and the people who do them That's how we land the plane on the skills gap.

01:24:01.000 It's not just a skill gap, it's a will gap.

01:24:04.000 It's a lack of will on the part of many, many, many millions of people who rely on the people with the skill.

01:24:11.000 We're just not properly gobsmacked.

01:24:13.000 I'm gonna tell you a little personal story here.

01:24:14.000 My sink just broke a couple days ago and now it's been leaking underneath.

01:24:17.000 I was like, well, gotta hire a guy to fix it.

01:24:20.000 I think I'm gonna fix it.

01:24:21.000 Everybody's got that story.

01:24:22.000 I wanna get down there and fix it.

01:24:23.000 I'll tell you this, man.

01:24:25.000 When it hits the fan, Very few people are gonna be crying for academics.

01:24:31.000 Buzzfeed reporters.

01:24:33.000 But they're gonna be begging for a plumber. 0.95

01:24:34.000 They're gonna say, please make my poop go away.

01:24:37.000 What do I do with it?

01:24:39.000 That's my whole life now.

01:24:40.000 I ask that question every day.

01:24:43.000 How long do you want to wait for the refrigerator repairman?

01:24:46.000 For the plumber?

01:24:47.000 And speaking of, you said you were in the sewer.

01:24:48.000 What was life like in the sewers?

01:24:50.000 I've never been in one before.

01:24:51.000 It's pretty great, man.

01:24:53.000 Tell me more.

01:24:53.000 I've been in one before.

01:24:56.000 Well, I mean, if you want to get back to the fundamentals, I mean, that's how Dirty Jobs started with the sewer inspector in San Francisco in 2002.

01:25:03.000 And it's another world.

01:25:08.000 It's the classic out of sight, out of mind.

01:25:11.000 thing.

01:25:12.000 But, you know, this is a 120 year old system.

01:25:16.000 Millions of bricks down there.

01:25:18.000 Many, many, many millions of roaches the size of your thumb. 0.99

01:25:21.000 Countless rats. 1.00

01:25:22.000 You're knee deep, truly, in a river of crap. 1.00

01:25:27.000 How much did they get paid? 0.99

01:25:29.000 Oh, that sewer inspector did about, well it was a city job, so he said I think it was $82,500.

01:25:33.000 I volunteer to pay more taxes to make sure those people get more money.

01:25:39.000 Look, he loved his job.

01:25:40.000 I mean, $82,000 a year.

01:25:40.000 Look, he loved his job. I mean, $82,000 a year.

01:25:45.000 How many years ago was this?

01:25:47.000 This was close to $80,000.

01:25:48.000 He has no supervision.

01:25:49.000 He has nobody monitoring him.

01:25:50.000 what it's worth now.

01:25:51.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:25:52.000 But only what?

01:25:53.000 In the equivalent of like 120?

01:25:54.000 So he's got like a chill job down there?

01:25:57.000 He has no supervision.

01:25:58.000 Yes.

01:25:59.000 He has nobody monitoring him.

01:26:01.000 His job was...

01:26:03.000 was he hammered out the bricks that were starting to rot and replaced them.

01:26:10.000 So all he did, he'd go down there, he'd mix his mortar, he'd hammer out the bricks that

01:26:14.000 had succumbed to the second law of thermodynamics, and he hammered in a new one.

01:26:18.000 Wearing like a full suit though, right?

01:26:20.000 No.

01:26:21.000 No.

01:26:22.000 No Tyvek, you know, like a rubber.

01:26:23.000 Now, he had a heavy-duty rubber suit.

01:26:25.000 But this, what people don't understand about sewage is that it's got chemicals and stuff.

01:26:29.000 It's corrosive, right?

01:26:30.000 Everything, people think their toilet is like different from their sink.

01:26:35.000 Like different drains go to different pipes that go to, no, it all goes to the same basic place.

01:26:41.000 So when it rains, being in a sewer during a rainstorm is a whole different deal. 0.66

01:26:47.000 But also, being in a sewer, it's not just a river of urine and crap coming at you. 0.59

01:26:54.000 It's all the stuff that goes down the toilet.

01:26:56.000 It's like a medicine cabinet.

01:26:59.000 It's Q-tips.

01:27:00.000 It's Kotex.

01:27:01.000 Is it just black, though? 0.72

01:27:03.000 No, it's it's it's more brown.

01:27:05.000 Really?

01:27:06.000 Some of it is it's not as thick as you think some of it sometimes it gets pretty thick.

01:27:10.000 It depends how the fixed film reactors and the lift pumps are.

01:27:14.000 We should do a field trip.

01:27:15.000 Yeah.

01:27:16.000 Investigate further.

01:27:16.000 I mean, we're doing the show live, right?

01:27:19.000 We can be live from the sewers of West Virginia, or wherever we are.

01:27:23.000 Let's go to Super Chats, because we got a lot of questions.

01:27:25.000 And don't forget to smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, go to TimCast.com, become a member.

01:27:31.000 And we're going to have a members-only segment up around 11 or so p.m., where we're going to, we call it the Uncensored Segment.

01:27:37.000 And make sure to help support our work over at TimCast.com.

01:27:40.000 Let's read some of what we got here.

01:27:42.000 Gino Fast says, Mike, would you ever climb Mackinac Bridge again?

01:27:46.000 No.

01:27:46.000 What was that about?

01:27:48.000 The Mackinac Bridge is, I think it's the longest suspension bridge in the country and it connects the upper and lower peninsulas of Michigan, right?

01:27:58.000 So it's a giant green suspension bridge and they've been painting it constantly ever since its construction.

01:28:06.000 It never stops.

01:28:07.000 Once you finish painting it, you just start painting it again.

01:28:09.000 I went there one day to paint the bridge and to go down into some of the, oh, the towers and to see what the inside looked like and how that maintenance was done.

01:28:20.000 And the reason he's asking that question is because at the end of the day, I did something that I do from time to time on the show, usually just as kind of a gag, but I asked permission to do something I knew they would say no to, right?

01:28:33.000 As a joke on camera, I said to the supervisor, hey, you know what would be fun before we go?

01:28:39.000 And we got a great segment, so no pressure, but it'd really be fun if I could walk across that girder off the deck and then go over that stanchion and then walk up the cable and change a few light bulbs, you know, five, six hundred feet above the water.

01:28:55.000 And this guy looks at me and says, okay.

01:29:00.000 And literally my sphincter slammed shut.

01:29:02.000 I'm like, oh god.

01:29:05.000 So 10 minutes later, I'm walking across the girder and going up the cable. 0.93

01:29:10.000 And we got a helicopter with a WESCAM rig on it.

01:29:13.000 And so we got the best, that segment actually won an Emmy.

01:29:17.000 Wow.

01:29:18.000 But the business of walking up that cable and changing those light bulbs, like when you look down, when you're 600 feet up and you look down at the water, You know, you've got big freighters coming and going underneath you.

01:29:31.000 They look like the ships in Battleship.

01:29:34.000 These tiny little things, you know, and it's just, uh, it was just one of those shows that took place way up in the air and people looked.

01:29:41.000 600 feet above the bridge and then below the bridge it goes more?

01:29:44.000 No, it's 600 feet to the water.

01:29:45.000 It's probably two, three hundred feet above the deck.

01:29:49.000 All right.

01:29:50.000 We got some big fans.

01:29:52.000 InvisibleDud says, Mike Rowe is the equivalent of a modern founding father.

01:29:57.000 Who else would be on that list?

01:29:59.000 Great question.

01:30:00.000 Wow.

01:30:00.000 I don't know.

01:30:01.000 But your sweat pledge you were mentioning before the show was just... Yeah.

01:30:06.000 Yeah, well, look, sometimes, you know, if you're trying to figure out the degree to which somebody likes a thing, you have to look at the degree to which other people hate it.

01:30:16.000 Right?

01:30:17.000 And the Sweat Pledge breaks a lot of eggs every year.

01:30:21.000 It's a simple 12-step or 12-tenant pledge that everybody has to sign who applies for a work ethic scholarship.

01:30:28.000 And there's nothing Founding Father-ish about it, although the ideas are timeless.

01:30:36.000 It's a shameless love letter to work ethic, delayed gratification, a positive attitude, and a measure of personal responsibility.

01:30:46.000 And I know all those things have become dog whistles and problematic terms for a lot of people, but I'm earnest about that and I mean it.

01:30:57.000 That combination of qualities is still, I think, your best hope of success.

01:31:01.000 I agree.

01:31:01.000 I think it's meth.

01:31:02.000 I think anybody who wants to insult those ideas, they can say whatever they want.

01:31:05.000 Because in 20 years, you'll be successful and they'll be begging for change.

01:31:08.000 I thought you said it's meth.

01:31:11.000 Which is so different than math.

01:31:12.000 NBMA.

01:31:14.000 I got one here from Common Sense Fishing.

01:31:16.000 He says, I'm an HVAC C20 contractor.

01:31:19.000 Started my business January 1st, 2020.

01:31:21.000 Dirty hands equals clean money. 0.99

01:31:23.000 Some HVAC salesmen make 200 to 400K.

01:31:26.000 Got into the trades after my son passed away in 06.

01:31:29.000 They can never take a skilled trade away.

01:31:31.000 That dude needs to be on a billboard.

01:31:34.000 And I mean that.

01:31:35.000 Look, this is my life's work.

01:31:39.000 I'm just an entertainer who hit a show, but the legacy of Dirty Jobs, it was an honest show.

01:31:47.000 And I guarantee this guy would agree, but we profiled a dozen HVAC guys on that show.

01:31:54.000 They all are crushing it, but never mind the money.

01:31:58.000 They love what they do.

01:31:59.000 They're superheroes without capes.

01:32:01.000 They show up to people's homes in Phoenix when it's 110 outside and they fix the air conditioning.

01:32:07.000 Those people weep.

01:32:09.000 They show up to similar homes in Boston in February where it's 20 degrees inside and they fix the heat.

01:32:17.000 That guy has a measure of job satisfaction that most people are simply not going to experience

01:32:25.000 and good on him.

01:32:27.000 I think this next comment exemplifies why you've got so many fans, especially.

01:32:31.000 Joshua LeBlanc says, "'Micro' and Dirty Jobs inspired me

01:32:34.000 to find a great job in the trades.

01:32:36.000 Decided college wasn't for me, and now I make more than I would've if I stayed." 0.90

01:32:40.000 I think...

01:32:43.000 Dude, it's a fricking honor and a privilege to work on a cable TV show

01:32:51.000 and have a guy like you read a tweet like that, sitting here surrounded by guitars, swords, rocks, and guns.

01:32:57.000 That's cute, yeah.

01:32:59.000 Yes.

01:33:00.000 I think, you know, for me especially, I was told when I was a teenager, you have to go to college.

01:33:06.000 And I was thinking about it and I was like, okay, you know, that's what I'm told to do. 0.97

01:33:11.000 And then I started, I mentioned this before the show, I read an article from an economist who said it was the stupidest investment you could make. 0.95

01:33:17.000 $40,000 now in four years, you owe 40 grand plus interest and you have no job prospects. 0.97

01:33:20.000 It doesn't seem to make sense for an investor.

01:33:22.000 And so I decided against it.

01:33:23.000 After Occupy Wall Street, I still had people saying, are you gonna go to school now?

01:33:27.000 And the craziest thing to me, I was like, they're asking me to speak at their schools about the streaming and stuff that I'm doing.

01:33:33.000 There's something strange, I think, about this generation, and even the boomers telling them, you know, millennials go to college, where they think college is a requirement to success.

01:33:42.000 I thought that.

01:33:43.000 You know, I'll try and make this point quick, but you know what I think happened is, I was told this by my family in the previous generation, my elders, that when they didn't go to college, they ended up working as managers at grocery stores or department stores and they made okay money.

01:34:01.000 But their friends and family members who went to college ended up making six figures and they're rich.

01:34:05.000 That's why you have to go to college to get a good job.

01:34:08.000 But back then, the boomers, you know, the kids coming out of World War II, you could have a high school diploma and raise a family on that.

01:34:16.000 So there was no one telling you you had to go to college, which means the people in the boomer generation who went to college chose to because they were chasing a passion.

01:34:24.000 Yeah.

01:34:24.000 No, look, it tracks.

01:34:25.000 In my opinion, the reason they think they're success in college was because passionate people went to college, not

01:34:30.000 because college made people successful.

01:34:32.000 No, look, it tracks. I mean, when my grandfather, to whom Dirty Jobs was dedicated, by the way, went to work, he was 14.

01:34:41.000 He only went to the 7th grade.

01:34:43.000 He wanted something better for his kids than he had.

01:34:47.000 He wanted them to have more choices, better opportunities.

01:34:51.000 It's not because he didn't love what he did.

01:34:53.000 He just wanted more for them.

01:34:55.000 And his kids wanted more for me.

01:34:59.000 And look, it's part of the fault in our stars.

01:35:05.000 Because while it's normal to want something better for our kids than we had, to your point, it's math.

01:35:12.000 Exponentially, it doesn't play out.

01:35:15.000 At what point is better pretty good?

01:35:18.000 I mean, how are my kids going to have it better than me?

01:35:21.000 Good grief, right?

01:35:22.000 So that thing, there is a thing in all well-intended parents that want to push their kids into something better.

01:35:32.000 We just don't know what better is.

01:35:33.000 It's not more money, that's for sure.

01:35:35.000 It's just situational.

01:35:37.000 My dad would say to me when I was little, what do you want to be when you grow up?

01:35:40.000 And no matter what I'd say, he'd say, wrong answer.

01:35:41.000 You know what the right answer is?

01:35:43.000 Happy.

01:35:45.000 So I think that's the mentality he had is, you know, to have a life better than me, I just want to make sure you are happy with your life. 0.98

01:35:51.000 Look, and so going back to platitudes, bromides, and so forth, and tropes, here's one that chaps my ass like none of the other ones. 0.90

01:36:03.000 It's follow your passion. 0.98

01:36:06.000 I hear that.

01:36:07.000 I hear well-intended people telling kids that every day.

01:36:12.000 So, now when I rant on this, people push back and say, well, what good is life without passion?

01:36:19.000 And I say, I'm not saying life without passion is the point.

01:36:22.000 The better platitude is never follow your passion, but always bring it with you.

01:36:27.000 And that's the Dirty Jobs lesson.

01:36:29.000 I never met anybody on Dirty Jobs who was unhappy in their work, but nor did I meet anybody who set out to do the very thing they were doing when I met them.

01:36:42.000 Which means they didn't sit down at 17, identify the thing they wanted to be, and then embark on some great grand quest to borrow whatever it took in order to maybe get the magical piece of paper that would give them a shot at possibly attaining the thing that would give them permission to feel that which your father described as happiness.

01:37:04.000 Right?

01:37:06.000 We're still telling kids that's how to do it.

01:37:08.000 The dirty jobs corollary was no.

01:37:10.000 Follow opportunity.

01:37:12.000 Go, look at where everybody else is going, go the other direction.

01:37:16.000 When you get there, figure out how to be good at whatever it is.

01:37:20.000 Then, then, figure out a way to love it.

01:37:24.000 Yeah.

01:37:24.000 Alright, Eek the Cat says, Mike, what was your favorite episode or job when you were doing Dirty Jobs?

01:37:29.000 Well, there was a time when we ate the cat.

01:37:32.000 What kind of cat?

01:37:33.000 You actually ate a cat?

01:37:33.000 No, I was riffing on the... I think the handle of this person is eat the cat.

01:37:37.000 Eek! 0.94

01:37:38.000 Oh, eek! 0.86

01:37:39.000 See, that's again, that's totally different.

01:37:41.000 Meth to Matt, eek to eat.

01:37:43.000 Very similar.

01:37:44.000 Did eek use the word favorite?

01:37:47.000 Is that the question?

01:37:49.000 What's my favorite?

01:37:50.000 Your favorite episode or job when you were doing Dirty Jobs?

01:37:53.000 Well eek, the cat.

01:37:54.000 Here's the thing then.

01:37:56.000 Dirty Jobs really wasn't about the dirt or the job.

01:38:00.000 It was about the people.

01:38:02.000 The dirty little secret of that show was that it's a talk show.

01:38:06.000 In a sewer.

01:38:07.000 Or on top of a bridge.

01:38:08.000 Or in an air duct somewhere.

01:38:11.000 And so, you know, when I look back at all of it now, yeah, sure, there's feces from every species and misadventures and animal husbandry, but it's the people, mostly, that I stay in touch with. 0.89

01:38:22.000 Although there was that time we masturbated the turkey. 0.69

01:38:25.000 Yeah, that was an epic story, by the way. 0.62

01:38:28.000 Well, maybe we'll have you tell that story in the members only.

01:38:30.000 It's probably best there.

01:38:31.000 Because then you can tell like it was over a beer.

01:38:34.000 Yeah, because I don't want to pull any punches when it comes to the cloaca.

01:38:39.000 Let me read you this one.

01:38:40.000 I saw this one early in the show and I have to read it.

01:38:43.000 Wimplow says, Mike Rowe, I would listen to you read from the yellow pages.

01:38:46.000 All right.

01:38:48.000 Who's in charge of the screen up there?

01:38:50.000 That's me.

01:38:50.000 Well, I mean, technically we can both control it.

01:38:52.000 So type Mike Rowe reads phone book.

01:38:55.000 Oh.

01:38:55.000 And see what comes up.

01:38:56.000 Yeah, of course.

01:38:57.000 Of course I read the phone book.

01:38:58.000 No, it's on YouTube somewhere.

01:39:01.000 People told me, for years, people were like, I'd listen to you read the phone book.

01:39:05.000 So one day I did.

01:39:06.000 I just read the phone book.

01:39:07.000 There it is.

01:39:08.000 There it is. 0.98

01:39:09.000 I read the freaking phone book. 0.98

01:39:11.000 And people still play it today for their kids, for whatever reason. 0.97

01:39:14.000 How many views does it have?

01:39:15.000 Six.

01:39:16.000 No, I don't know.

01:39:17.000 It's got, I mean, it's up there in a lot of different pieces.

01:39:19.000 It's, it's, I don't know, probably a thousands.

01:39:22.000 Genius.

01:39:22.000 At least a thousand, I'm sure.

01:39:24.000 Do you ever do any book readings?

01:39:25.000 Well, this, this one, there's a bunch of different versions.

01:39:28.000 Yeah.

01:39:28.000 70,000 views on 70,000 views on this one.

01:39:32.000 There was a bunch of them.

01:39:33.000 There's a bunch.

01:39:33.000 Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's still up there.

01:39:35.000 That's funny Well, I'm in the booth every day reading something and so usually I get done whatever I get paid to do and then um I do something random and weird and one day it would just seem like It was just time to read the phone book guys, you know, that's great.

01:39:51.000 It's time.

01:39:51.000 I All right, Falcon Laser says, Mike, I loved your narration of how the universe works.

01:39:56.000 What do you think the Hubble Deep Field will look like when taken by the James Webb Telescope?

01:40:01.000 Man, okay, so the Deep Field is my favorite photograph ever taken.

01:40:08.000 For those of you who don't know what we're talking about, it was basically After they fixed the botched lens on the Hubble and got it out there where it's supposed to be, they pointed it at this very controversial moment in the Hubble history, because there's a long line of people who wanted to point the Hubble at very specific things to get all kinds of research done.

01:40:31.000 And this guy, I forget his name, he wanted to point it at nothing.

01:40:36.000 Hubble time was very rare, so he pointed it at the blackest hunk of nothing there was and started taking pictures. 0.98

01:40:44.000 And what came back basically was what the universe looked like about 400,000 years after the Big Bang, which in real time or practical time is like a second.

01:40:56.000 Right?

01:40:57.000 And what we see in the Hubble Deep Field is, at a glance, it just looks like a big, giant sky full of stars that you would see out in the desert.

01:41:07.000 Except the stars are colorful.

01:41:10.000 And the reason they're colorful is because they're actually galaxies.

01:41:14.000 And the sky is full of billions of galaxies.

01:41:20.000 And so it's the closest thing we have to what the beginning of the universe looked like.

01:41:26.000 What the web is going to do with that photo?

01:41:30.000 My guess is I think we're gonna see more galaxies and more color.

01:41:35.000 It's the restaurant's name is Bob Williams that decided to point it at nothing.

01:41:39.000 Bob Williams' guy?

01:41:39.000 Yeah, 1995.

01:41:40.000 Did you just Google that or did you know that?

01:41:42.000 I just looked it up on DuckDuckGo.

01:41:43.000 Because if you knew that, that was... Not that great.

01:41:46.000 I'm so happy you didn't say the G word.

01:41:48.000 You ready for a spicy one?

01:41:50.000 Bring it.

01:41:51.000 Buddy says, what's worse, micro-neutering sheep with his teeth or CNN eating human brains? 0.66

01:41:58.000 I mean, in my opinion, eating human brains is much, much worse than a dirty job.

01:42:01.000 Well, it depends what you're doing it for, right?

01:42:04.000 Like, why was the CNN guy eating live human brains, right?

01:42:08.000 Thank you.

01:42:09.000 Why were you doing what you were doing, as described by that commenter, right?

01:42:13.000 I don't think it was live brains.

01:42:15.000 No one was harmed in the eating of the brains.

01:42:18.000 Well, look, I mean, weirdly, the story he's talking about was called lamb docking, and part of it was castration of sheep the old-fashioned way.

01:42:30.000 We were up in Craig, Colorado, and for years that's what the ranchers did.

01:42:35.000 They literally bit the testicles off the the creature and they did it for a lot of reason. This is 0.96

01:42:41.000 another story if you want I'll walk you through it in the members thing because

01:42:44.000 I mean it involves you know words like you know vas deferens, scrotum,

01:42:49.000 knife, regret.

01:42:51.000 I have to say that Reza Aslan of CNN has a job, net job while he was at CNN 0.77

01:42:58.000 involved eating brains and it sounds dirty.

01:43:02.000 Not a dirty job I'd recommend, though.

01:43:04.000 That's another level than dirty, in my opinion.

01:43:06.000 Well, has anybody eaten brains?

01:43:08.000 I never have.

01:43:08.000 No, I've eaten brains, yeah.

01:43:09.000 You've eaten human brains?

01:43:11.000 Human brains?

01:43:11.000 No, dude, that's so illegal.

01:43:13.000 Oh, that's a case of a human brain.

01:43:15.000 CNN did that.

01:43:16.000 It's on YouTube, and they're in the partner program.

01:43:19.000 They're still uplifted in the algorithm.

01:43:21.000 They ate human brains on national television.

01:43:25.000 And that's how CNN gets ratings.

01:43:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:43:28.000 Oh, man.

01:43:29.000 I think the dude lost it after that, man.

01:43:31.000 All right, Anomaly.

01:43:33.000 Oh, hey, I saw Anomaly and Bryson Gray super chatted.

01:43:35.000 Anomaly says, thank you, Tim, for the shout-out on my song with Bryson Gray.

01:43:38.000 You and your beanie are going to hit the billboard charts with us.

01:43:41.000 Let's go, King.

01:43:42.000 There's a line Anomaly raps, I ain't going nowhere like Tim Poole's beanie.

01:43:48.000 So I got sent that, and I was like, this is officially the greatest song of any generation.

01:43:53.000 And I had to tweet it out.

01:43:54.000 So shout-out, guys.

01:43:55.000 It's pretty cool to hear your name in a song.

01:43:55.000 That was great.

01:43:58.000 You know, it's a good song, actually.

01:44:00.000 Well, that's even better.

01:44:01.000 Well, yeah, I mean, you know, they shouted me out, so I shot him out back, you know, like, yeah, it's only polite.

01:44:06.000 I thought it was a good song, too.

01:44:07.000 It's good.

01:44:08.000 It's called Controlled, I believe.

01:44:10.000 And it's about it's about manipulation.

01:44:13.000 It's a good song.

01:44:13.000 You guys check it out.

01:44:14.000 Bryson Gray, Anomaly, Controlled.

01:44:17.000 Done.

01:44:17.000 All right.

01:44:18.000 Let's see what we got.

01:44:18.000 Let's grab some Super Chats.

01:44:23.000 Steeler Country says, just earned my ANP license.

01:44:26.000 My options are endless now.

01:44:27.000 Trade skills are needed now more than ever.

01:44:30.000 If you care for your children's future, advocate for more trade activities in your community.

01:44:33.000 Keep it up, Mike Rowe.

01:44:34.000 God bless.

01:44:36.000 Thank you.

01:44:36.000 I will.

01:44:37.000 I gotta say, you know, a lot of the Super Chats are people pointing out how you've rescued them by, you know, informing them and inspiring them on trade jobs. 0.71

01:44:44.000 So cool.

01:44:45.000 Look, there's so many people saying, go to college, go to college, go to college.

01:44:49.000 There are memes where it's like, you know, a guy's got like a big beard and he's making coffee for 12 bucks an hour complaining about his college debt.

01:44:56.000 And then there's a guy with a hard hat working on power lines making 100K a year.

01:44:59.000 No debt.

01:45:00.000 Look, I had a front row seat to it.

01:45:03.000 I mean, that's, like I said, Dirty Jobs started as a TV show and a tribute to my pop.

01:45:08.000 And then it just got out of control.

01:45:12.000 And then the viewers stepped up and started suggesting all the ideas.

01:45:16.000 And then, you know, after you do 50, 60, 80 of them, you can't help but look around and ask yourself, what does this group of people know that I don't?

01:45:26.000 You know, why are they having such a good time?

01:45:29.000 And what can we maybe learn collectively from it?

01:45:31.000 And that's, you know... Well, it appears flattery has no limits.

01:45:35.000 Sean Byrne says, this man was the dad I never had.

01:45:38.000 I got a sense of hard work from your shows.

01:45:42.000 Is that Sean with an H or E-A-N?

01:45:44.000 With an H-A-W. 1.00

01:45:46.000 That's weird because I have a son named Sean and I haven't seen him in a long time.

01:45:49.000 Oh, there you go.

01:45:50.000 Sean, is it you, man?

01:45:51.000 Is it you?

01:45:52.000 Sup, homie? 1.00

01:45:53.000 You're familiar with Jordan Peterson.

01:45:54.000 I am.

01:45:55.000 Jordan Peterson has a similar and sort of different message though.

01:45:59.000 I think what really resonated with a lot of young men was the hard work, personal responsibility.

01:46:04.000 And I think you both have a similar, you know, a target in a different way.

01:46:10.000 Dirty jobs.

01:46:11.000 Not only does it give respect to the people who make the system work and highlight jobs that most people take for granted, But it also inspires people to work hard and get active and find a way through it without going to college?

01:46:24.000 I hope so.

01:46:24.000 You know, the big difference, you know, Jordan has an enormous brain and he came out of academia and so he really, he came in hot, right, with his worldview and there was nothing for him to hide behind.

01:46:39.000 But for his opinions.

01:46:40.000 I had a show. 0.99

01:46:42.000 I'm crawling through rivers of crap. 1.00

01:46:46.000 I'm making dick jokes. 1.00

01:46:47.000 I'm just having a time. 0.99

01:46:50.000 And that got people's attention.

01:46:53.000 And then I was able.

01:46:55.000 Only then was I able to start asking questions.

01:46:59.000 Maybe these careers, sure they're dirty, but let's look a little closer.

01:47:03.000 And by then I had permission, you know?

01:47:07.000 I had permission to weigh in, right?

01:47:09.000 So Jordan never had permission.

01:47:11.000 He just did it.

01:47:12.000 And that took a whole different level of moxie. 0.98

01:47:16.000 Well, Ehaf says, how did Dirty Jobs show shape your perspective?

01:47:21.000 Well, it didn't shape it.

01:47:26.000 I grew up keenly aware of where my food came from, where my energy came from, how things got built.

01:47:35.000 I worked on a, you know, I grew up on a small farm and I had, I was surrounded by, by that

01:47:41.000 world.

01:47:43.000 And when I got into entertainment, I left all that behind.

01:47:46.000 Not intentionally, but you know, way leads on to way.

01:47:50.000 And after 20 years of freelancing in entertainment and singing in the opera and selling crap

01:47:55.000 in the middle of the night on QVC and having 150 different jobs, um, I had become really

01:48:01.000 disconnected from a lot of those things that Dirty Jobs celebrates.

01:48:05.000 And so when my mom called me to tell me my grandfather wouldn't be around forever, and that maybe he'd like to see something on TV that looked like work before he died, that drove me into the sewer.

01:48:17.000 And that footage turned into Dirty Jobs.

01:48:20.000 And, you know, to answer his question, what Dirty Jobs did was become my actual education.

01:48:30.000 I went to a community college for two years and then later I went to a university but my education didn't start until I was 42 in the sewers of San Francisco followed by Dirty Parts Unknown.

01:48:42.000 What did your grandfather think of the show?

01:48:44.000 He saw one episode, he looked at it and he laughed.

01:48:48.000 And he gave me the slow clap.

01:48:50.000 Alright.

01:48:51.000 Alright, Jamis714 says, does Mike think unions are a good place to start?

01:48:56.000 Well, that would require a broad-based, platitudinous, cookie-cutter answer.

01:49:04.000 So, here's the thing with unions.

01:49:08.000 I have absolute great respect for their existence.

01:49:13.000 I belong to one, and I have for a long time.

01:49:17.000 But I'm very hesitant to say a way is the right way.

01:49:23.000 My foundation has hooked a lot of people up with a lot of unions and a lot of different vocations and many of them are happy.

01:49:31.000 We've also given away a lot of money over the years in right-to-work states and helped a lot of people who are very satisfied today outside of the union.

01:49:42.000 I honestly don't think, I don't think there's a simple answer.

01:49:47.000 It depends on the industry.

01:49:48.000 It depends on the local.

01:49:51.000 It depends on the shop steward.

01:49:53.000 Look, not to turn this whole thing into a polemic, but when I tried to get dirty jobs on the air. 0.63

01:49:53.000 You know? 0.63

01:50:02.000 I called the union and they said don't do it.

01:50:05.000 Discovery is not a signatory and you would be running a foul of what's called global rule one and that could result in fines and possible, right?

01:50:16.000 Same thing happened years before that at QVC.

01:50:18.000 My first job in TV.

01:50:20.000 They were like they're not a signatory.

01:50:21.000 You can't do it.

01:50:23.000 I heard that a lot from my union and I had to decide you know it wasn't quite like the scab question because there were no strikes going on but the decision to work outside of the Screen Actors Guild was very difficult for me to make but had I not made it we wouldn't be talking today and you know I'd be having a very different conversation with somebody else.

01:50:48.000 That's crazy.

01:50:48.000 Sometimes the conventional methods, the institutions, aren't the way to go.

01:50:51.000 And sometimes they are.

01:50:52.000 You really do, man.

01:50:54.000 If people forget everything I've said, but just remember the one thing, it's be wary of all earnestness and look askance at cookie cutter advice.

01:51:08.000 So we got Silently in Atlanta.

01:51:09.000 He says, wow, Mike Rowe.

01:51:11.000 I was the first super chat asking you to bring him on.

01:51:13.000 You really started an opera singer.

01:51:15.000 I did, yeah.

01:51:18.000 1984, it was a very strange time because that union I just mentioned, I was desperate to get into.

01:51:25.000 I was desperate to be a member of the Screen Actors Guild because I couldn't find an agent who would represent a non-union guy. 0.97

01:51:32.000 But I couldn't get in the union unless I had a union job.

01:51:36.000 So that's the catch.

01:51:38.000 The loophole was joining something called AGMA, which was the American Guild of Musical Artists, and then buying your card in the sister union.

01:51:46.000 The challenge, of course, was to get into the opera in order to be a member of AGMA.

01:51:52.000 So yeah, I learned the shortest aria I could find.

01:51:54.000 It was from a Puccini opera called La Boheme.

01:52:00.000 It's called the Coat Aria.

01:52:02.000 I walked around with the walkman listening to Samuel Raimi sing

01:52:09.000 Vecchiasima rassenti Il resto al pianto scende e risacriamenti al devi

01:52:18.000 Le mie grazie ricevi On and on

01:52:22.000 That's great because by singing that we own the rights to that recording.

01:52:26.000 Sample it!

01:52:27.000 Sample the hell out of it!

01:52:29.000 I love it!

01:52:30.000 We make music.

01:52:31.000 We got a studio here.

01:52:32.000 I love it.

01:52:33.000 Look, I just recorded a song with John Rich before Christmas called Santa's Got a Dirty Job.

01:52:38.000 And we raised, I mean, like a lot of money for our foundation.

01:52:41.000 So yeah.

01:52:42.000 So cool.

01:52:42.000 So music has always been a thing in my life.

01:52:45.000 The opera was a very, very weird turn.

01:52:49.000 But I got in it.

01:52:50.000 My plan worked.

01:52:52.000 What happened that I didn't anticipate was I stayed for eight years.

01:52:55.000 In the opera?

01:52:56.000 Yeah.

01:52:56.000 Wow.

01:52:57.000 Yeah, I freaking loved it.

01:52:58.000 Wow.

01:52:59.000 Marcel LeCreme says, late to the start of the cast, please ask Mr. Mike when he is running for president.

01:53:06.000 Friday, four-ish.

01:53:08.000 Oh, perfect.

01:53:09.000 They might take that seriously and say that was a declaration, you know?

01:53:12.000 It's actually super flattering, but I think more than anything, to the very early things we were talking, and we weren't having a big political conversation, but we were talking about Authenticity and the reasons that so many journalists and politicians and even scientists have lost their credibility.

01:53:34.000 It's weird.

01:53:35.000 People started asking me to get into politics shortly after I crawled through the sewer. 0.89

01:53:39.000 And I think part of the reason was you see a guy covered with somebody else's crap and you know he's probably not going to try and sell you something or I mean and really why would he lie to you you know I mean you literally I had condoms stuck To my rubber hip boots. 0.83

01:53:57.000 I mean, that guy, whatever else you say about him, he's not going to lie to you. 0.97

01:54:04.000 Well, they call Washington, D.C.

01:54:05.000 a swamp, so I could see the comparison as well.

01:54:08.000 This is under the swamp.

01:54:09.000 He's a part of the swamp.

01:54:11.000 He has to be elected.

01:54:12.000 We had a few comments.

01:54:14.000 Some said, have you ever been hired to clean the swamp?

01:54:17.000 Or you should do a show in politics because that's the dirtiest job there is and things like that.

01:54:22.000 My favorite question that I saw in the comment section, and I kind of wanted to ask you, is the question, if cleaning the gulags is going to be on a future episode of Dirty Jobs?

01:54:33.000 Cleaning the gulag, as in like gulag archipelago?

01:54:36.000 No, no, like the political gulags that we're all going to be interned into, you know.

01:54:41.000 Oh god.

01:54:42.000 That's so depressing.

01:54:45.000 See I'm thinking of Alexander Solzhenitsyn who wrote Gulag Archipelago and of course Cancer Ward which ought to be required reading today because I mean look you it's a cautionary tale and it's a big hunk of history and who was it?

01:55:02.000 Santa Ana right?

01:55:04.000 We don't learn from the past we repeat it.

01:55:06.000 That would be a great comedy sketch, actually.

01:55:09.000 Dirty Tops, political prisoners. 0.95

01:55:13.000 The Gulag edition.

01:55:14.000 Yeah.

01:55:14.000 All right.

01:55:15.000 I'll run it up the flagpole.

01:55:16.000 Thanks for that.

01:55:17.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I am very eager and excited to get to this member segment.

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01:55:36.000 It's going to be weird, guys.

01:55:37.000 I don't want to oversell it, but you might want to wake up Grandma.

01:55:41.000 She's going to want to hear this one.

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01:55:50.000 Do you want to shout anything out?

01:55:51.000 Your foundation, anything like that?

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01:56:00.000 You can apply at microworks.org.

01:56:02.000 Other than that, you know, there's books and stuff and wildebeest traveling the vast reaches of the barren Serengeti and so forth.

01:56:10.000 Mike, you were great.

01:56:11.000 Thank you for everything you're doing.

01:56:13.000 Thank you for coming on the show.

01:56:14.000 I thought it was great.

01:56:16.000 And, you know, a lot of people need to hear, instead of those platitudes and mass generalizations, some kind of real honest advice and not just talking points.

01:56:24.000 So thanks so much for having that.

01:56:26.000 I also have my own media organization on youtube.com forward slash we are change I just did a very interesting video on the Novak Yokovitch Situation and I did a pretty crazy video on Luke uncensored calm.

01:56:38.000 Hope to see some of you guys there Thanks for having me and today was really a great episode was fantastic Mike.

01:56:44.000 Thanks.

01:56:45.000 You're welcome.

01:56:45.000 Thank you Ian Crosland Check me out at Ian Crosland net and I will see you guys next time And I wanted to leave you guys with this quote from Jordan Peterson because we mentioned him earlier.

01:56:53.000 Jordan Peterson said, to notice that opportunity lurks where responsibility has been abdicated.

01:56:58.000 I think that's a perfect summary of what Mike Rowe stands for.

01:57:02.000 And I wanted to say too that the whole sweat pledge is 100% something that I intend to teach my kids when I eventually have them.

01:57:08.000 Thank you.

01:57:08.000 Yeah, it's like the perfect encapsulation of everything I want them to understand about work.

01:57:13.000 You guys may follow me on Twitter at sarahpatchlids.

01:57:15.000 We will see you all over at TimCast.com, so check it out.

01:57:19.000 We'll see you then.

01:57:20.000 Thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 11, 2022

Timcast IRL - AOC Gets COVID After Partying Maskless In Miami, SLAMMED For Hypocrisy w-Mike Rowe

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