Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Fauci Caught LYING AGAIN, Rand Paul ROASTS Fauci After Veritas Leaks w-Chris Pavlovski

00:00:00.000 I'm David Pakman.

00:00:27.000 This may be one of the most important stories of... Man, I don't even know, the past decade?

00:00:32.000 The past two decades?

00:00:34.000 Because if this assessment is correct, it's confirmed a lot of what the quote-unquote conspiracy theorists have said, and I will also point out that it'll basically get a...

00:00:42.000 Well, I'll be very careful about high-phrase things, but YouTube might not be too happy with what the assessment is.

00:00:48.000 So we will be careful, and I'll try to be as responsible as possible in the assessment of this information, but it's huge.

00:00:53.000 This is information proving Dr. Fauci lied?

00:00:56.000 Well, assuming one of these documents is correct, Fauci did lie.

00:00:59.000 Assuming the documents that were previously released by The Intercept shows Fauci did lie.

00:01:06.000 And then he appeared in front of Congress again today and made one of the most hilarious mistakes

00:01:10.000 of holding up a piece of paper on TV, which is now on the internet. And this is going to be

00:01:15.000 crazy stuff. So we got that talk about Fauci was caught on a hot mic, apparently insulting one of

00:01:20.000 the senators. We've got another crazy story. The US Army is going to be conducting drills,

00:01:24.000 training special forces and overthrowing illegitimate governments and quote unquote freedom

00:01:29.000 fighters.

00:01:30.000 This comes around the same time the DOJ is establishing a counter domestic terror unit and the Financial Times says it's time to implement psychological operations against those who spread misinformation.

00:01:42.000 We got supply chain issues.

00:01:43.000 Store shelves are empty.

00:01:44.000 So this is going to be pretty interesting.

00:01:46.000 We definitely got to talk about this disinformation stuff.

00:01:48.000 We've got someone who can speak to us in terms of what's going on in the censorship battle and infrastructure battle.

00:01:53.000 We've got the CEO of Rumble, Chris Pavlovsky.

00:01:55.000 How's it going, man?

00:01:56.000 Great, thanks.

00:01:57.000 I'm super excited to be here.

00:01:58.000 I've been watching you for a long time, so... Appreciate you coming.

00:02:04.000 Ian's been more critical than I have been.

00:02:08.000 But we've also been a little defensive, too, of you guys over at Rumble, especially with the Locals deal.

00:02:12.000 So this will be a really great conversation to talk about your mission.

00:02:15.000 Uh, the deal, you know, you just did this, um, you're doing this special, uh, purpose acquisition company, gonna raise a lot of money.

00:02:21.000 I think there's a lot of good news to be said here, a lot of concerns, but we'll get into all that stuff.

00:02:25.000 Uh, do you wanna just quickly introduce, like, who you are?

00:02:28.000 I know I said you're the CEO of Rumble, but...

00:02:30.000 Yeah, no, sure.

00:02:30.000 I'm Chris Pavlosky.

00:02:32.000 I'm the founder and chief executive officer of Rumble.

00:02:36.000 I started the company in 2013.

00:02:38.000 I've been in this space for two decades.

00:02:41.000 So I've seen a lot of stuff in the last eight years.

00:02:44.000 If anyone were to look at and see what our politics were in 2013, it was cats and dogs.

00:02:49.000 And then by 2020, everything kind of changed.

00:02:53.000 And we had Congressman Devin Nunes join our platform.

00:02:56.000 Now Rand Paul, right?

00:02:58.000 Yeah, Rand Paul just dropped YouTube last week to come to Rumble.

00:03:02.000 So we had the best week we've ever had last week.

00:03:06.000 This all comes together full circle too.

00:03:08.000 So it's good that we have you here considering what's going on with Rand Paul once again talking about you.

00:03:12.000 Because Rand Paul has tried to speak on the Senate floor and YouTube banned this content.

00:03:16.000 This is crazy stuff.

00:03:16.000 So we'll get into all that.

00:03:17.000 We got Luke hanging out.

00:03:18.000 This should be a great conversation thank you so ... much for coming here and I think it's fair to say that the ... official story is definitely breaking and people are ... realizing that you cannot comply your way out of tyranny ... just an important message that I wanted to remind ... everyone and if you want to remind your local Karen's and ... Kyle's out there at the local supermarkets of that same ... message you can very easily by getting the shirt that says ... you not you cannot comply your way out of tyranny which ... could get on the best political shirts.com because you do I'm here thanks for having me.

00:03:48.000 This should be a great conversation.

00:03:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:50.000 Hey, Ian Crossland here from IanCrossland.net.

00:03:52.000 And Chris, I'm glad you're here.

00:03:53.000 You know, I worked with Minds for about a decade, co-founded the company and basically running Ethics.

00:03:58.000 I'm the Ethics guy.

00:04:00.000 Bill asked me to come in and help him guide the process.

00:04:02.000 So I feel like I know I can empathize with a lot of what you're experiencing.

00:04:06.000 I saw Bill go through it and I'm excited to hear about what it was like to go public and the code.

00:04:13.000 We already talked about freeing the code base.

00:04:15.000 Yeah.

00:04:15.000 We'll go deeper, so it's great to see you, man.

00:04:18.000 Well, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that, because I argue with him all the time, but we also got Lydia pressing all the buttons.

00:04:22.000 Yes, I am here in the corner pushing buttons.

00:04:24.000 I upload all the videos from IRL to Rumble as well, so I had a question that I already cleared up with him.

00:04:29.000 It was great.

00:04:29.000 He's going to be a great conversation this evening.

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00:05:54.000 And let's read this first big story from Project Veritas.

00:05:58.000 I can already hear...

00:06:00.000 The clacking knees of the YouTube ban agents or moderators with their fingers over the ban button shaking, saying, say the wrong thing, we're gonna ban your show.

00:06:11.000 Because we're about to talk about something big.

00:06:13.000 Project Veritas reports military documents about gain of function contradict Fauci testimony under oath.

00:06:20.000 Military documents state that EcoHealth Alliance approached DARPA in March 2018 seeking funding to conduct gain-of-function research of bat-borne coronaviruses.

00:06:29.000 The proposal, named Project Diffuse, was rejected by DARPA over safety concerns and the notion that it violates the gain-of-function research moratorium.

00:06:37.000 The main report regarding the EcoHealth Alliance proposal leaked on the internet a couple months ago.

00:06:43.000 It has remained unverified until now.

00:06:45.000 Project Veritas has obtained a separate report to the Inspector General of the Department of Defense, written by U.S.

00:06:51.000 Marine Corps Major Joseph Murphy, a former DARPA fellow.

00:06:55.000 The proposal does not mention or assess potential risks of gain-of-function research, a direct quote from the DARPA rejection letter.

00:07:02.000 Project Veritas reached out to DARPA for comment regarding the hidden documents and spoke with the Chief of Communications, Jared Adams, who said, quote, it doesn't sound normal to me when asked about the way the documents were buried.

00:07:15.000 Now I want to say a few things before we get started.

00:07:18.000 Very simply, consult your doctor and don't take any of this as medical advice.

00:07:22.000 We're not here to provide that, and take it all with a grain of salt.

00:07:26.000 I've seen a lot of people jump on this and say, I see two things.

00:07:30.000 One, the left saying, you can't trust Project Veritas, their information is no good, and therefore it's bad.

00:07:37.000 I see people on the right saying, this is definitive proof, it's finally what we're looking for.

00:07:40.000 Let me just state, This reporting by Veritas.

00:07:44.000 Very well done.

00:07:45.000 Very, very well done.

00:07:46.000 Veritas didn't just come out and release a letter from a Marine Corps major assessing certain information and then trying to claim it's true.

00:07:55.000 They actually got corroborating evidence of an intercept story.

00:08:00.000 This is from September 23, 2021.

00:08:02.000 Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research, where they specifically mention Project Diffuse.

00:08:09.000 Which Project Veritas has now corroborated.

00:08:11.000 This is a left-wing publication and Project Veritas getting documents on the same thing.

00:08:17.000 Suffice it to say, the left's assessment of Project Veritas being wrong is untrue.

00:08:21.000 That being said, the assessment from the U.S.

00:08:25.000 Marine Corps Major is just that.

00:08:28.000 It is his analysis of undisclosed documents.

00:08:31.000 Trust them if you want to trust them or don't.

00:08:33.000 I think it's very important to make sure that you take into consideration it's not someone involved in the projects admitting to anything.

00:08:42.000 It's someone who had been at DARPA saying, I read these documents and here's my analysis.

00:08:48.000 That being said, I don't know, Luke, if you want to start bringing up some of these points that you thought were most alarming.

00:08:52.000 Yeah I mean if these documents are true I mean ... there's a lot of big implications here because this ... shows how echo health Alliance was seeking DARPA funding in ... specific gain-of-function research related to bat ... coronaviruses they called this project diffuse and ... allegedly according to these documents this was rejected ... by DARPA in 2018 because of safety concerns and it would ... violate a lot of of course.

00:09:18.000 The protections that are in the United States that don't ... allow this kind of dangerous work which could lead to some ... very serious ramifications what did the NID do with the ... Echo Health Alliance do after this they just simply said ... well there's no regulations and safety concerns in China ... where the Chinese government gets to do whatever they want ... as long as they oversee every step of the process.

00:09:39.000 And essentially I think it's fair to assume now that they ... took this very dangerous work which allegedly according to ... these documents DARPA didn't want to do because it was too ... dangerous it was too unsafe and just did they just did it in ... China which proved that there was some warning some hindsight ... here that that should be of course known about that should ... be talked about there was also us senator Rand Paul questioning ...

00:10:01.000 Dr. Fauci about a lot of this there's also the GOP oversight committee releasing the emails and the communications with NIAD specifically showing how Dr. Fauci is being accused of concealing about a lot of the origin of the story coming from that Wuhan laboratory with where this dangerous function studies were being sent to and downplaying this lab leak theory.

00:10:24.000 That's big.

00:10:25.000 It was Peter Navarro who was on the show, and he said that at the time they were having these meetings about COVID and this potential pandemic, Fauci was there and did not disclose to them the things he had known about gain of function, about EcoHealth Alliance.

00:10:39.000 And even if they didn't believe the lab leak theory or hypothesis or whatever, don't you think Fauci should have told the Trump administration, hey, there's something we considered, and it's this, that it may have come from this lab.

00:10:51.000 You would think that if that administrative state answered to the executive branch, which apparently I'm learning in my adult years that it doesn't necessarily play second fiddle to the executive branch.

00:11:04.000 What I'm saying is the administrative state, these people that have been there for 40 years, Fauci, been in that job for 40 years, he doesn't answer to Joe Biden.

00:11:14.000 Highest paid government employee, right?

00:11:16.000 432,000, is that his salary?

00:11:19.000 Yep, that's a huge amount of money, especially for a government worker.

00:11:23.000 I gotta read a portion of this analysis, because I'm not gonna... Look, I understand that this can be considered contentious, so I'm gonna read this portion from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency document, from Commandant of the Marine Corps Fellow at DARPA to the Inspector General, subject SARS-CoV-2 Origins Investigation with the U.S.

00:11:42.000 Government Program, Undisclosed Document Analysis.

00:11:46.000 That right there is very important to consider.

00:11:48.000 This is somebody who worked at DARPA, who read the following documents, and is providing his analysis.

00:11:54.000 But his analysis is absolutely insane, okay?

00:11:58.000 And you can take that any direction you want.

00:12:00.000 Someone on the left is gonna be like, this dude's out of his mind, and people on the right are gonna be like, yo, this is crazy!

00:12:05.000 In the more colloquial sense, he says, You ready for this?

00:12:09.000 SARS-CoV-2 is an American-created recombinant bat vaccine, or its precursor virus. 0.85

00:12:17.000 It was created by an EcoHealth Alliance program at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as suggested by the reporting surrounding the lab leak hypothesis.

00:12:26.000 The details of this program have been concealed since the pandemic began.

00:12:30.000 These details can be found in the EcoHealth Alliance proposal response to the DARPA preempt program broad agency announcement dated March 2018, a document not yet publicly disclosed.

00:12:41.000 The contents of the proposed program are extremely detailed.

00:12:45.000 Peter Daszak lays out step by step what the organization intends to do by phase and by location.

00:12:50.000 The primary scientists involved, their roles, and their institutions are indicated.

00:12:54.000 The funding plan for the WIV work is its own document.

00:12:58.000 The reasons why non-pharmaceutical interventions like masks and medical countermeasures like mRNA vaccines do not work well can be extrapolated from the details.

00:13:06.000 The reasons why the early treatment protocols work as curatives are apparent.

00:13:11.000 Now that is where You started to get into danger zone territory, but let me just I want to make sure it's very clear This is this is a major at DARPA Giving his assessment of these documents now.

00:13:22.000 This is an expert.

00:13:23.000 I mean, this is a guy who's privy to information That was not publicly disclosed talking about what he thinks about it that being said Take it with a grain of salt.

00:13:32.000 You've got to decide for you what you think is is, you know what's trustworthy and what's not and I will very much add As it pertains to what he's saying, that is the opinion of this major, not the show.

00:13:43.000 It is not medical advice, and always consult a trusted medical professional on your medical decisions and what needs to happen for you.

00:13:51.000 And I'll just keep it, you know, I'll leave it there.

00:13:53.000 Yeah, I mean this is his assessment after looking at some of the classified information that the public is not privy to.

00:13:58.000 I think right now the conversation has been started, and for the government to clear everything up here, To have some transparency and accountability, they should release these documents immediately so they could set the record straight, specifically so we know exactly what's going on here.

00:14:12.000 You want us to trust us?

00:14:13.000 Give us reason to.

00:14:14.000 Give us these documents.

00:14:15.000 Release them.

00:14:16.000 The time is now more than ever to do so.

00:14:18.000 I'm weary a little bit.

00:14:20.000 You know, I don't think, I think Project Veritas has released the other defused documents, which is corroborating reporting we got a few months ago.

00:14:20.000 I'm weary.

00:14:28.000 And I think that was smart.

00:14:30.000 It shows that these additional documents they received do come from a verified source.

00:14:35.000 However, many people have pointed out, doesn't this seem a little too good to be true?

00:14:39.000 Like too on the nose is a better way to put it.

00:14:42.000 Maybe, but also it's kind of like the emperor's not wearing any clothes, you guys.

00:14:47.000 Uh, duh.

00:14:47.000 We've thought this.

00:14:48.000 Maybe that there was a lab leak going on for like, I don't know, eight months.

00:14:51.000 It's starting to be well more accepted or five months or six months.

00:14:54.000 And now it's like, uh, okay.

00:14:56.000 Just don't ban me for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes for a second.

00:14:59.000 This could be a PSYOP, but we're going to talk about that in just a little bit.

00:15:01.000 Right.

00:15:01.000 No, no, for sure.

00:15:02.000 It might be invisible clothes.

00:15:03.000 Yeah.

00:15:04.000 This could be a PSYOP, perhaps.

00:15:07.000 We know that there were attempts to provide false documents to WikiLeaks in the past.

00:15:12.000 Tricking them into publishing them so they could then say, aha, look, WikiLeaks publishes false information.

00:15:18.000 But I also want to point out, could it be that this major read the same news sources or watched Tucker Carlson and then wrote a report based on what he saw in the news?

00:15:27.000 It could be fabricated, yeah.

00:15:28.000 Not fabricated, just like, you know, he says, what does he say?

00:15:33.000 He actually mentions in the article, as reported, you know?

00:15:37.000 Oh.

00:15:38.000 The lab leak hypothesis as reported or whatever he says, right?

00:15:41.000 So you think it might be partisan, like, political?

00:15:43.000 They're trying to... Not necessarily political, but, you know, his view... It's tough.

00:15:49.000 Out of sight, out of mind, and the opposite, right?

00:15:52.000 If people don't hear something in the news, they don't talk about it.

00:15:55.000 If people do hear in the news, they talk about it.

00:15:57.000 I'm just saying it's possible that this guy may have just... It may sound like a bit on the nose, because maybe he's getting... For all we know, this guy watches this show.

00:16:06.000 And then he's like, wow, that's crazy.

00:16:08.000 Then he writes a report.

00:16:09.000 He reads the document, says, yep, I see it.

00:16:10.000 And then we then end up reading it being like, aha.

00:16:12.000 And it's just confirming, you know, what we, what we already believe.

00:16:16.000 Well, I agree with you on the timing of this.

00:16:17.000 This does seem a little bit suspicious to me because all of this, all of these Jake Tapper is starting to agree with these crazy right wing conspiracies.

00:16:25.000 They're admitting that like the menstrual changes that women were reporting that they said was nonsense.

00:16:30.000 All this is happening at the same time.

00:16:32.000 Very convenient.

00:16:33.000 Yeah, so that's a good point.

00:16:34.000 We've got NPR saying, yes, actually the vaccines do alter your menstrual cycle, something women had been saying for the past couple of years that was deemed a conspiracy theory. 0.96

00:16:44.000 Then you get Jake Tapper outraged that COVID hospitalizations are inflated by some 40%.

00:16:50.000 Then we get this document basically giving an expert confirmation or an expert analysis, which lends itself to lab leak hypothesis.

00:16:59.000 That does smell like a PSYOP to me.

00:17:01.000 I don't want to outright say it's discredited.

00:17:04.000 Numbers would have been inflated by 60% if 40% of the total had been inflated.

00:17:10.000 That means when you have 60% as your full amount, to get to 100, you're gonna have to increase it by 40, which is 60% of 60, thereabout.

00:17:19.000 So it's actually inflating the number by, it's a little, not necessarily kind of a derailment, but they inflated the numbers by 60% to get to a place where it says that 40% of them uh didn't had had comorbidities and well so this is basically no no the inflation was when they said that people with covid instead of from covid yeah that was new york state announcing that with the governor officially saying that there was a really funny tweet i retweeted someone said is is american democracy dying with covid or from covid and i was like that's actually that was a really really good one yeah

00:17:51.000 But yeah, in this instance with Jake Tapper, the issue is someone bumps their head, goes to the hospital, they say, we're going to test you for COVID.

00:17:59.000 When I had COVID and I called the local hospital, I was like, what's the protocol?

00:18:03.000 Like, what should I do?

00:18:04.000 And they said, why don't you come in?

00:18:06.000 And I said, okay, well, what do I do if I come in?

00:18:08.000 They said, we'll run some tests.

00:18:09.000 And I said, why would I need tests done?

00:18:12.000 Like I took an at-home test, it said I had COVID, and they were like, well, we'll come in

00:18:16.000 and we'll do some tests.

00:18:17.000 And then I kid you not, and I said, and then what do you do for me?

00:18:20.000 Are you gonna prescribe medicine?

00:18:21.000 It said, no.

00:18:22.000 And I said, so I should just like leave my home and come here so you can tell me what I already know?

00:18:28.000 Should I, I was like, I was calling because I was wondering if there was like,

00:18:31.000 if there was something you can do or if there's something I should do.

00:18:34.000 And they were like, oh, I don't know, it's a virus.

00:18:36.000 Go to sleep.

00:18:37.000 And I, okay, but they wanted me, I swear.

00:18:41.000 So afterwards I was like, they want me to just come in for tests?

00:18:43.000 Is it because they wanna just run billing or something?

00:18:46.000 Make it paid, baby.

00:18:47.000 We were talking about that yesterday, how much money these organizations are getting

00:18:50.000 for having a COVID case, having a COVID death on file.

00:18:54.000 Especially ventilators.

00:18:55.000 On file.

00:18:56.000 Putting people on ventilators.

00:18:57.000 And that's just on file, with COVID on file, and that it's treated as it was a COVID.

00:19:01.000 Let's pull up this tweet here we got from the Oversight Committee Republicans, breaking,

00:19:05.000 we've released never before seen emails showing Dr. Fauci may have concealed information about

00:19:10.000 COVID-19 originating from the Wuhan lab and intentionally downplayed the lab leak theory.

00:19:15.000 I gotta say, all of this coming out at the same time is...

00:19:19.000 Kind of insane.

00:19:20.000 It's after Christmas.

00:19:21.000 Everyone's fed up.

00:19:22.000 My family was done with it over Christmas.

00:19:25.000 They could be burning Fauci.

00:19:26.000 Fauci is, again, sort of a conduit and a middle player to a lot of other bigger players and also has a lot of communications with other individuals that are named to Mr. Gates.

00:19:35.000 But that's a whole different story to say itself.

00:19:37.000 But I think the question is, is this a PSYOP is an important one, especially when we're having so much information come out.

00:19:43.000 I think we're at a very important turning point.

00:19:46.000 I think a lot of things are going to change within the next month, within the next two months.

00:19:50.000 I think it's important to look out. 0.55

00:19:51.000 And I think this could be also an attempt to release a lot of this information to save their buttocks. 1.00

00:19:58.000 A family-friendly show here to sustain, to kind of soften their fall from the grace of COVID overlords.

00:20:08.000 Many people have pointed out the Democrats aren't going to win if they're running on COVID lockdowns.

00:20:12.000 Yeah, the polling is not going to be in their favor right now.

00:20:15.000 Everything's turning.

00:20:16.000 Like, you know, in Canada, where I'm from, you can see it.

00:20:19.000 People are so fed up.

00:20:21.000 There has to be a turn here.

00:20:23.000 And I think that's what we're seeing.

00:20:24.000 Maybe this gives the Democratic Party and the establishment an out.

00:20:28.000 Jake Tapper, oh, oh, I can't believe that these numbers!

00:20:31.000 That's crazy!

00:20:31.000 Can you believe it?

00:20:32.000 Oh, I'm on your side!

00:20:33.000 I'm angry too!

00:20:34.000 And then all of a sudden, Democrats are like, we know Fauci let us down.

00:20:37.000 Vote for us.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, I saw a tweet today.

00:20:40.000 This lady was like, all the lies are coming out. 1.00

00:20:42.000 You know, everything's being revealed.

00:20:43.000 And I was like, no, lady, these Democrats have a 2022 midterm to drag out.

00:20:47.000 They need to fix this now.

00:20:48.000 And they're just not realizing it.

00:20:49.000 They're a little bit slow, but they're on the case now.

00:20:52.000 So this document release from the Oversight Committee, Let me read a little bit for you.

00:20:57.000 They say, we write to request a transcribed interview of Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of U.S.

00:21:02.000 National... We get it.

00:21:05.000 Enclosed, reveal that Dr. Fauci warned of two things.

00:21:09.000 The potential that COVID-19 leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and two, the possibility that the virus was intentionally genetically manipulated.

00:21:16.000 It is imperative we investigate if this information was conveyed to the rest of the government and whether the information would have changed the U.S.

00:21:22.000 response to the pandemic.

00:21:24.000 So Fauci had apparently, they say excerpts of emails we are making public today, reveal that information.

00:21:32.000 Fauci, as we learned with Fauci leaks, remember that?

00:21:38.000 Anthony Fauci was communicating with several individuals and they were questioning whether or not this did come from a lab.

00:21:43.000 That's why I mentioned Peter Navarro.

00:21:45.000 He had stated that when he was in the Trump administration and they had Fauci there and they were like, what's going on?

00:21:50.000 Fauci did not tell them.

00:21:52.000 That they believed it was possible that the lab leak happened.

00:21:55.000 I think at this point, we may not have an official from the Wuhan lab, because you never will because it's China, coming out and definitively saying, yes, it happened.

00:22:04.000 But I think when Jon Stewart rants on Colbert's show that there's no other reasonable explanation, then we're already at that point, right?

00:22:13.000 It is likely a lab leak.

00:22:15.000 Now, here's where it's fascinating.

00:22:16.000 When Rand Paul Said that Fauci was responsible for this, and then he said, I have no responsibility for this.

00:22:23.000 And it's, it's just crazy because who are they still trying to convince?

00:22:28.000 Right?

00:22:28.000 At this point, most, I think you ask most people, they'll be like, yeah, I probably came from that lab.

00:22:33.000 Jon Stewart said it, right?

00:22:34.000 They're probably trying to convince the people that own Fauci bobbleheads.

00:22:37.000 That's a good way to describe them.

00:22:41.000 What do you call those kind of individuals?

00:22:43.000 I don't know.

00:22:44.000 Bobbleheads? 1.00

00:22:45.000 That's another reason.

00:22:46.000 But, you know, there's a lot of information coming forward right now.

00:22:50.000 Why did you think of Fauci bobbleheads?

00:22:52.000 That's amazing. 0.98

00:22:53.000 That's a crazy mind. 0.84

00:22:54.000 That's actually a really good way to identify like... I almost got you one, dude. 0.99

00:22:58.000 I'm going to get you one.

00:22:59.000 Really?

00:22:59.000 No, like you can actually buy Dr. Fauci bobbleheads.

00:23:02.000 The kind of person who has this... Or like those candles, those votive candles.

00:23:06.000 Oh yeah, where it was like St.

00:23:08.000 Fauci.

00:23:11.000 He'd be a great guest.

00:23:12.000 I don't know if he'd actually say anything, if he'd just be defensive.

00:23:17.000 I think from today's hearings, especially with U.S.

00:23:20.000 Senator Rand Paul, it's pretty clear that Fauci is not used to being asked any tough questions.

00:23:24.000 He was hammered by Rand Paul, I believe correctly so, on very important issues, on a lot of these emails, on a lot of these documents.

00:23:32.000 And Dr. Fauci's response was, it's not true.

00:23:35.000 There's people that don't like me and threaten me.

00:23:37.000 I mean, does he know he's talking to Rand Paul, who literally was attacked by his neighbor, who was literally shot at?

00:23:41.000 That was his argument.

00:23:44.000 That's not an argument, Dr. Fauci.

00:23:46.000 Lay out your argument, present the data, present your information, and be able to reach across the aisle and talk to the other side.

00:23:53.000 He has never done that.

00:23:55.000 He only does softball interviews where the pundits literally Family-friendly show.

00:24:01.000 Do adult things to him with their mouth.

00:24:06.000 All right, all right.

00:24:10.000 I'm not going there.

00:24:12.000 I didn't see it, but you mentioned Crowder shouted us out?

00:24:15.000 Yeah, so right at the end of his publicly available show, he mentioned that we've been swatted more than Fauci has.

00:24:20.000 Like, Tim Pool's been swatted more than you have for complaining.

00:24:24.000 I think it's pretty clear.

00:24:25.000 When Dr. Fauci is on the corporate media, which he loves to be on, he always gets softball questions, he always gets massage, he always gets, Fauci, why are you so great and awesome and super incredible and helping save the world?

00:24:37.000 That's literally the type of questions that he's asked.

00:24:40.000 And they answer questions for him too.

00:24:42.000 They'll say things like, I was curious your position on the virus because a bunch of right-wing channels were lying by saying X, Y, and Z, and of course we know A, B, and C. So, Would you like to reiterate what I just said, Dr. Fauci?

00:24:54.000 Yes, that's absolutely correct.

00:24:56.000 The droplets and the masks.

00:24:58.000 Exactly.

00:24:59.000 And I think today's hearings proved that.

00:25:01.000 There wasn't any kind of real discussion.

00:25:03.000 It was very testy.

00:25:05.000 And I think it's pretty clear from everyone watching that Dr. Fauci doesn't have an argument here.

00:25:10.000 And he's definitely on the wrong side of the larger debate that's unfolding right now with what a lot of people are thinking.

00:25:17.000 and we're afraid to express but now it's finally coming out to the limelight as of course everything that's being exposed right now the supposed conspiracy theorists were literally saying from the very beginning of this they were censored on big tech social media they were denied having a voice in this conversation and now those conspiracy theorists were really just spoiler alerts as of course everything's coming true so in my 1 p.m segment i opened with a princess bride reference i love that it actually it actually was hard for me to get right i had to try recording like 10 times I opened with, Fauci fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia, and only slightly less well known is never hold up a piece of paper on television because you will become a meme.

00:26:03.000 You see, I couldn't even do it right now, after all that practicing.

00:26:06.000 But that's actually one of the funniest takeaways from that moment.

00:26:10.000 Fauci actually picked up a piece of paper, which I will not do, and it said, it's a picture of him, and it says, fire Fauci, and he's pointing at it angrily, and I'm like, yes, we agree, Fauci, thank you for this pantomime of what we all should do.

00:26:25.000 But it was funny too, because it was Rand Paul's website.

00:26:28.000 Which is fundraising.

00:26:29.000 And he was like, it says fire Fauci and you can give $1, $2, $5.

00:26:35.000 I'm like, this is a great pitch.

00:26:37.000 He's advertising for it.

00:26:39.000 So I don't know. 0.95

00:26:40.000 The whole thing was just ridiculous.

00:26:41.000 But what I love about Fauci's responses to Rand Paul Is the way I describe it is he's like Rand Paul goes, Dr. Fauci, you were engaging in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute through funding EcoHealth Alliance.

00:26:56.000 And Fauci will be like, no, we did not.

00:26:59.000 The example I give is like, Fauci's explanation is, Rand Paul says, you put a door in my bedroom.

00:27:06.000 And Fauci says, it's not a door.

00:27:08.000 It's just a large piece of wood on hinges with a knob that when you turn, moves a piece of metal, which allows you to open on the hinges and enter the room.

00:27:16.000 And you're like, bro, you're describing a door to me.

00:27:18.000 That's how he does the gain of function.

00:27:19.000 It is not gain of function research.

00:27:21.000 It is just the creation of chimeric viruses to increase transmissibility.

00:27:26.000 You're describing gain of function, Dr. Fauci.

00:27:28.000 No, I'm not.

00:27:29.000 That's literally what he did.

00:27:30.000 That's crazy.

00:27:31.000 I think this guy should be arrested.

00:27:32.000 I'm not even kidding.

00:27:33.000 Absolutely.

00:27:34.000 Subpoenaed, questioned thoroughly, released all the documents, released all the studies that he's done, and when you truly find out what he's been responsible for, there's no going back to the official narrative that he has set on the American people because you learn about things like Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:27:51.000 in his book, The Real Anthony Fauci, talking about how People were horribly affected by his studies, whether it was orphans, whether it was monkeys, whether it was beagle puppies.

00:28:02.000 There's a long trail of just horrible misdoings by this man.

00:28:08.000 And I think it's more than time than ever that we hold them responsible for all those.

00:28:13.000 I want to buy a bobblehead of it.

00:28:14.000 Let's get a bunch of them. 0.58

00:28:14.000 Oh yeah. 0.58

00:28:15.000 Let's get different ones.

00:28:16.000 If you can find them inviting the devil into the house, but it is funny.

00:28:22.000 Like, you know, we'd have it for the opposite reason that they would.

00:28:25.000 We gotta get a Kyrie Irving bobblehead, too.

00:28:27.000 I mean, that's kind of cool, though.

00:28:28.000 He's awesome.

00:28:30.000 Yeah, but if he was playing, it would be funny.

00:28:32.000 Yeah, they let him play again.

00:28:33.000 Yeah, he's playing.

00:28:34.000 Can't stop the signal, man.

00:28:36.000 The money was more important than the pandemic, I guess.

00:28:38.000 They couldn't have enough players because the players that were vaccinated kept getting COVID.

00:28:43.000 And they had to bring in the unvaccinated players.

00:28:45.000 And this is not just happening with sports ball teams.

00:28:47.000 This is happening in hospitals.

00:28:49.000 This is happening in supermarkets.

00:28:50.000 There's even official government notices saying, hey, if you test positive, just show up to work anyway.

00:28:55.000 Literally, there's supermarkets telling people to do this because of the staff and labor shortages in major institutions.

00:29:03.000 And we're at a point in this pandemic where the unvaccinated can't get work.

00:29:08.000 The sick that are testing positive Are told to go back to work?

00:29:11.000 That's absolutely crazy.

00:29:12.000 It's actually very, very normal because this was only supposed to be 15 days to slow the spread anyway.

00:29:18.000 You're not supposed to shut down the economy.

00:29:19.000 And this is the economy like gasping for air.

00:29:21.000 Like we can't survive if we don't bring in anyone that may or may not have.

00:29:26.000 It doesn't matter at this point because our survivability is more important.

00:29:30.000 It's like when you said people were climbing out of the bomb shelters, even when the bombs kept dropping in London.

00:29:33.000 Mike Rowe.

00:29:34.000 You gotta get back to life at some point.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, so last night, Mike Rowe pointed out, in the UK during, what was it, the Blitz?

00:29:41.000 Yeah.

00:29:43.000 The bombing of London.

00:29:45.000 After a few days, people were like, okay, the bombs are still going off, I guess it's time to get back to work.

00:29:50.000 Because you couldn't just stay locked in your basement, you would just wither away.

00:29:53.000 So even with... what was it?

00:29:55.000 They were using Zeppelins, right?

00:29:56.000 The Germans were like... They were using Zeppelins for sure for observation. 0.98

00:29:59.000 I don't know if they were dropping bombs from Zeppelins.

00:30:01.000 But they were dropping bombs on London.

00:30:02.000 People were like, eh, back to work.

00:30:04.000 And bombs are going off.

00:30:06.000 Stay calm, carry on.

00:30:07.000 I think we're at that point.

00:30:08.000 I think we're at the point where hospitals are just like, okay, we can't function anymore.

00:30:13.000 Just bring back the nurses. 1.00

00:30:14.000 Bring back the unvaxxed nurses. 1.00

00:30:15.000 Bring back Kyrie Irving.

00:30:17.000 Bring it back.

00:30:17.000 Thank God, man.

00:30:19.000 That's the natural flow of any disease anyway, of any epidemic, is eventually you get back to it.

00:30:25.000 Let's talk about psychological operations, my friends.

00:30:28.000 We got this story from the Financial Times.

00:30:30.000 Psy-ops are a crucial weapon in the war against disinformation.

00:30:34.000 What?

00:30:35.000 Well, this is clearly fake news because mass formation psychosis isn't real.

00:30:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:39.000 It's not, it's not real.

00:30:40.000 AP told me so.

00:30:41.000 Reuters said it's not real.

00:30:42.000 For those that watch Joe Rogan's podcast, you need not hear me explain this,

00:30:46.000 but for those that missed it, Dr. Robert Malone brought up how in, you know,

00:30:50.000 the early 1900s or, you know, 30s, people were trying to understand how it is

00:30:55.000 that these authoritarian regimes took power, namely Nazi Germany.

00:30:59.000 And he mentioned something called mass formation psychosis, where people were all basically fixated on something,

00:31:05.000 they were hypnotized.

00:31:06.000 All of a sudden, the media comes out claiming it's not true.

00:31:09.000 Google changes the search results, so you're not finding it.

00:31:12.000 And now, it's funny, because you had many stories over the past several years

00:31:17.000 from mainstream and corporate publications saying that Trump was hypnotizing people.

00:31:22.000 Even from the AP?

00:31:24.000 The AP said that.

00:31:25.000 Even from the AP.

00:31:26.000 And so now you have, for the Financial Times, psychological operations are a crucial weapon in the war against disinformation.

00:31:32.000 But far be it from us to claim that there's manipulation and hypnosis and propaganda.

00:31:39.000 You know what the craziest thing to me is?

00:31:41.000 When I would explain to people, there's a field of hacking, hacker culture, called social engineering.

00:31:46.000 The overwhelming majority of hacking that you hear in the news is actually just social engineering.

00:31:52.000 Someone's not typing away code and there's like, you know, smiling, laughing faces appearing on the screen, eating the numbers, like ridiculous graphics.

00:31:59.000 Hacking is almost always, some guy picking up a phone, Calling the bank and being like, hi, I'm John the branch manager.

00:32:06.000 It's you know at bank number three nine four two I'm looking for your IRS, you know a verification number and just tricking people.

00:32:13.000 That's what hacking tends to be This, when I try to explain to people this, they always just say, oh, that would never work on me.

00:32:21.000 If it wouldn't, then why does it exist?

00:32:21.000 Never work?

00:32:24.000 If you can't be manipulated, why does Coke spend so much money buying advertisements?

00:32:28.000 So when they come out and say mass formation psychosis, of course it's a real thing.

00:32:32.000 Of course people are trying to manipulate you every day.

00:32:35.000 Now, the Financial Times is advocating for psychological operations over COVID misinformation.

00:32:40.000 Which brings me to what we have to deal with.

00:32:42.000 The censorship, which is a prime component of this, making sure people can't share ideas.

00:32:48.000 Sometimes the ideas are so dangerous, they'll shut off a live stream midstream.

00:32:52.000 They'll ban a channel outright with no strikes because the information can't be allowed.

00:32:56.000 Well, sometimes it's not even that they're dangerous.

00:32:58.000 It's just that they're misinterpreted, which is a problem, that there's a human that's capable of misinterpreting a message and then banning it.

00:33:05.000 But this is different this is army psychological ... operations literally using the power of information denying ... information lying about information making up ... information in order to have political games this is ... psychological warfare against the American people ... that the Financial Times is calling to be instituted here ... in the United States and they use Sweden as the perfect ... example cousin Sweden they have the sweetest ... psychological defense agency that could be more of an ...

00:33:34.000 But they are out there not only to monitor what's ... happening online not just the political discussions but they ... also are there to launch counterattacks against their ... believed falsehoods about vaccines immigration and other ... very important issues so they also talked about in this ... article how they they use this psychological operation to ... deal with political tensions in Europe.

00:33:59.000 So this is an important distinction to understand here.

00:34:01.000 Financial Times is saying Sweden's doing this.

00:34:03.000 We need to do this here.

00:34:04.000 We already do this here in the United States.

00:34:06.000 A lot of this is classified, and I think a lot of this is very evident when you see the same kind of regurgitated talking points, the same kind of narrative, and anything questioning getting outright censored and banned.

00:34:17.000 There's also, of course, people planting fake stories and fake Disinformation in order to throw people off the original trail.

00:34:25.000 There's a lot of things happening here.

00:34:26.000 And I think once you Institute psychological tricks by the US Army to push an agenda that only clearly benefit to the billionaire class, the billionaires are making more money than ever.

00:34:38.000 This is something that is absolutely concerning.

00:34:40.000 This is something that is absolutely worrying.

00:34:41.000 And this is something that we need to realize is happening here in the United States on a huge level already.

00:34:47.000 This is what we see with the banning of the Hunter Biden laptop story on Twitter and Facebook.

00:34:52.000 And so sitting before us, we got we got two people.

00:34:56.000 Well, we got the CEO of Rumble and you guys are, is it fair to say you're anti-censorship on Rumble?

00:35:02.000 Absolutely.

00:35:04.000 What you're seeing right now.

00:35:06.000 You have to explain that.

00:35:09.000 Anti-censorship?

00:35:09.000 Yeah, you ban content, don't you?

00:35:11.000 Yeah, we do.

00:35:11.000 Well, absolutely.

00:35:12.000 And we have policies that have been in place since 2013.

00:35:17.000 And we haven't really, we haven't moved the goalposts since that time.

00:35:20.000 Obviously, you know, terrorist organizations, promoting terrorist organizations, incitement to violence, child pornography, pornography, all that stuff's not acceptable on the platform.

00:35:32.000 But what we're seeing here right now and kind of why you've seen companies like Rumble grow is not because of the terms and conditions that we put together in 2013.

00:35:42.000 That really has no effect on what has happened.

00:35:46.000 What you're seeing is that these companies, whether it's Google or whether it's Twitter, are now becoming arbiters of truth.

00:35:54.000 They're being asked or they're being forced or they're being demanded by, whether it's journalists or governments, to basically determine what's good and what's not good.

00:36:07.000 Imagine me.

00:36:08.000 How irresponsible would it be for me to be the person that's going to tell you what you can or cannot say?

00:36:14.000 I went to university, I dropped out in third year, and you want me to be that person?

00:36:21.000 That's irresponsible.

00:36:22.000 You want the CEO of YouTube to be that person that determines what is right and what is wrong?

00:36:29.000 Well, they're scared of losing advertisers, I think, is a big component.

00:36:32.000 I do think that there is absolutely a national defense component.

00:36:36.000 We've heard tons of stories about, you know, federal agencies going to tech firms and saying, you have to do what we tell you, and if you tell anyone we told you to do this, we will destroy you.

00:36:47.000 Yeah, gag orders. 0.98

00:36:48.000 Yeah.

00:36:49.000 Someone asked me to kind of ask you, will Rumble volunteer information about its users to regulators and law enforcement?

00:36:56.000 Or will you guys demand a warrant?

00:36:58.000 That's one of the questions that someone was really interested if you could answer.

00:37:02.000 Yeah, we're not going to just hand over information.

00:37:04.000 It's got to go through the proper channels.

00:37:07.000 It has to be legally done.

00:37:08.000 And if there's a subpoena, we'll follow the law.

00:37:12.000 In all cases, we have to follow the law.

00:37:14.000 That's our duty.

00:37:15.000 At Minds, we have a weird...

00:37:18.000 Position what interesting it was a if it's legal in the United States, then it's legal fine on mines It's part of the terms and that meant like state law like what state were we incorporated and I think at the time was Connecticut So it's Connecticut state law, but then you'd get these things like lolliporn Which is like cartoon porn and the people look young and they look under 18, but it's cartoons.

00:37:36.000 So there's no human There's no it's not illegal, but it's devastating to smear a website with that stuff.

00:37:42.000 So you're like well We have to do something about this.

00:37:45.000 And so there's this clause, you can ban anything at any time.

00:37:47.000 I mean, pretty much any network can ban anybody at any time.

00:37:49.000 Yeah.

00:37:50.000 When we started websites like 20 years ago, that's like a standard term that every lawyer will put in.

00:37:55.000 So it makes things easy.

00:37:56.000 And that's one of the problems, right?

00:37:58.000 Is that when we started Rumble, we have these sets of terms and conditions that were just so standard on the internet.

00:38:03.000 Everybody had pretty much the same terms and conditions.

00:38:07.000 You know, that's where everybody wants us to have that conversation.

00:38:09.000 They want us to have the conversation around the really fringy stuff and all that stuff, but that's not what's happening here.

00:38:14.000 That's not why companies like Rumble are growing.

00:38:17.000 Rumble is growing because something more overt and egregious is happening.

00:38:22.000 And that's because you can't even have a conversation that you have at your dinner table anymore, an open conversation on the internet.

00:38:30.000 Think about this.

00:38:31.000 Think about what we're doing right now on YouTube.

00:38:33.000 We can't have an open conversation here.

00:38:36.000 There's a lot of things we cannot talk about that if these mics were off, you could talk about.

00:38:40.000 That we will at TimCast.com in the Members Only segment.

00:38:42.000 Exactly.

00:38:43.000 And that's the craziest thing, that we have to do that.

00:38:46.000 And interestingly on iTunes and Spotify and other platforms, they're actually much more lax.

00:38:51.000 Spotify's actually fairly strict, because they've got internal people who will ban you, and there's no appeal process worse than YouTube.

00:38:58.000 But iTunes just goes, hey look, we don't host any of the content, we're just linking to it.

00:39:03.000 Yeah, I think that's Google Podcasts' position as well, I believe.

00:39:06.000 And if someone violates the law, the state should get involved here, not, of course, the arbiters of truth, a middle person that's going to say, well, this idea is bad for you.

00:39:16.000 That whole concept is patronizing, and it's very disrespectful to anyone paying attention, in my opinion.

00:39:22.000 There's like situations where the law is bad and you want to, you know, not necessarily, well, Nazi Germany, for instance.

00:39:29.000 Well, I'm just talking about like death threats and the free speech laws that we have on the books.

00:39:32.000 If, for instance, a law got passed that was so insidious and we're like, well, we have to violate that law because that's corrupt, we can't follow that.

00:39:37.000 Absolutely.

00:39:38.000 It's hard to make a social network the one that's like, we're going to uphold that and let people do, and we're going to let people violate the law because then it's easy to find out where they live.

00:39:47.000 You know who owns that site.

00:39:48.000 You know where that data is hosted.

00:39:50.000 I'm very nervous about centralization of authority, holding data on a centralized network of any kind, whether it's email addresses, search history, because the NSA can just go take it.

00:40:02.000 Well, let me ask you.

00:40:03.000 The more data, the worse, right?

00:40:04.000 Yeah, maybe there's a diminishing return on that, but yeah.

00:40:07.000 You guys are based in Canada.

00:40:09.000 We are.

00:40:10.000 That's not good.

00:40:11.000 Not good.

00:40:12.000 Especially with the legislation that might come down in the next couple years.

00:40:15.000 It definitely is not helpful at this point in time.

00:40:19.000 You've got hate speech laws in Canada, right?

00:40:22.000 That's right.

00:40:22.000 If the government of Canada came to you and said, you are hosting illegal content, you must take it down.

00:40:28.000 Would you guys take it down?

00:40:30.000 If it was illegal, absolutely.

00:40:32.000 Illegal in Canada?

00:40:33.000 Absolutely.

00:40:34.000 I'm not going to jail.

00:40:35.000 So this means that Like misgendering, I think that's one of the laws in Canada.

00:40:41.000 So one of the things that we're doing is that we're headquartering down in Sarasota, Florida.

00:40:46.000 We announced that a couple months ago.

00:40:48.000 That's a big move that we're going to be doing as a company and super excited to go to Florida.

00:40:54.000 Better weather too.

00:40:56.000 I actually would prefer the Canadian weather over Florida, to be honest.

00:40:59.000 Really?

00:41:00.000 Absolutely.

00:41:01.000 Well, if you're a snowboarder or a skier, then yeah, I can understand that.

00:41:04.000 I can always put on more clothes.

00:41:06.000 I can't take all of it off.

00:41:07.000 You can never put on enough beanies.

00:41:09.000 That's right.

00:41:10.000 Sweating is good for you in Canada.

00:41:11.000 It gets rid of a lot of waste and hazardous stuff in your body.

00:41:14.000 It is.

00:41:15.000 But, you know, Florida's good in January, February.

00:41:18.000 I lived there for a year.

00:41:19.000 It was brutal.

00:41:20.000 Nobody goes outside.

00:41:21.000 But in Canada, You know, you've got some months and you've got long winters where you just, you know, make snowmen.

00:41:26.000 But I digress.

00:41:27.000 The important question here is there are a lot of people signing up on Rumble right now.

00:41:31.000 You know, we're talking about psychological operations.

00:41:33.000 We're talking about whether companies are willing to break the law.

00:41:36.000 Obviously, you know, Luke is saying if it's legal content, it should be allowed.

00:41:40.000 But where you're at right now in Canada, I mean, have you been forced to ban anybody on hate speech or anything like that by the government or any No institutions come to us with respect to that, but I can tell you that, you know, the legislation that is going to come, that I think is even more concerning, is Bill C-10 in Canada, where they want to have the government actually regulate what kind of content you are displaying through the CRTC.

00:42:13.000 And think about that, they're going to control what you see now.

00:42:17.000 Whatever that may look like, it's in full progress if that passes.

00:42:22.000 And then there's other legislation that's being proposed now.

00:42:26.000 We haven't seen it, but that could happen in the next year as the Trudeau government is continuing.

00:42:33.000 You know, the best thing for Rumble is just, at this point, is to be prepared for that situation.

00:42:39.000 You know, we'll be in Florida by this year.

00:42:42.000 So if I could just ask you on a follow-up question, if you're in Canada right now, the Canadian government says, take this content down, you will.

00:42:49.000 But if you move down to Florida, right, and you incorporate there, and the Canadian government says, I want you to hide this video from our viewers, will you get rid of those videos when you're not in their jurisdiction?

00:42:59.000 So jurisdictional issues is a whole different thing because you have the UK that has one set of laws.

00:43:04.000 You have Canada that has another set of laws.

00:43:05.000 You have the US that has their set of laws.

00:43:08.000 And we have to find a way to meet the laws of every country.

00:43:12.000 And this gets so complicated when you think about it.

00:43:15.000 As a startup, imagine a startup having to have lawyers help you in every single jurisdiction.

00:43:21.000 It makes it so difficult.

00:43:22.000 The barrier of entry just to enter this market is so difficult.

00:43:26.000 To be like YouTube and to compete against YouTube, you need significant financing, significant legal help.

00:43:32.000 It is a lot to navigate.

00:43:34.000 It's so complicated and it makes it so hard.

00:43:37.000 But we're lucky that we're in a really good place right now where we have a pretty good team and we're gonna follow each jurisdiction the way it needs to be done.

00:43:46.000 So if Canada says, get rid of this video and you're in Florida, you will?

00:43:51.000 Like, I have to look at the situation and the scenario.

00:43:54.000 I can't, you know, anecdotally say... Let's just say someone misgendered someone on a Rumble video.

00:43:59.000 The Canadian government says, we want you to take that down.

00:44:02.000 You're in Florida.

00:44:03.000 What do you do?

00:44:04.000 So at this point, I don't have an answer for that because we haven't come up with that policy.

00:44:10.000 We haven't looked at that.

00:44:12.000 And one of the things that we want to do as we're growing, like I said, we've had a policy since 2013.

00:44:16.000 2013 it's been virtually the same in spirit all the way through the key for us is to never move the goalposts like

00:44:23.000 these other companies every two weeks you're seeing them change, but we're

00:44:26.000 also not good enough because in 2013 it was one it was one world and in 2000 and I guess 22

00:44:34.000 now it's a whole different world So what we want to do is, you know after I did the the

00:44:40.000 podcast with Viva Viva Frey and and Robert Barnes You know, we had some chats after that

00:44:46.000 We want to bring the community in.

00:44:47.000 We want to bring guys like Robert Barnes and Viva Frey to help us develop this in a way that stays in the spirit of free speech as much as possible and really be able to handle these jurisdictional issues that are there, these app store issues that are there.

00:45:02.000 We want to do it in a way that It's almost better if the community helps us develop this than one single authority like myself saying, this is how we're going to do it and this is the best way.

00:45:11.000 I'd like to build an app store.

00:45:12.000 We're in talks to do that with Viva and Robert Barnes.

00:45:17.000 I want to bring in as many people.

00:45:21.000 I want to seek your advice too.

00:45:23.000 How do you handle app store issues and policy in terms of conditions?

00:45:27.000 These are such tricky things.

00:45:29.000 I can tell you a little.

00:45:30.000 It's a cabal.

00:45:31.000 I mean, let's be real.

00:45:32.000 The Silicon Valley operates like a cabal.

00:45:35.000 When Mines gets one tiny infraction that's negligible, they'll be like, we're going to

00:45:40.000 knock you off the app store, whereas Twitter just does whatever they want.

00:45:43.000 I think, I don't know if that story is accurate.

00:45:46.000 Particularly porn.

00:45:46.000 Was that public, that story?

00:45:48.000 Yeah, porn.

00:45:49.000 Mines was often on the App Store dealing with porn issues, whereas Twitter just had porn the whole time.

00:45:53.000 Allows it!

00:45:54.000 That's unbelievable.

00:45:55.000 When you look at the double standard, and that's totally unfair.

00:45:59.000 How are we supposed to compete as a company if Mines can't...

00:46:02.000 You know, get the same rule set that Twitter's getting or Facebook's getting.

00:46:06.000 First thing you do is acknowledge it, which we just did.

00:46:09.000 And then you got to start building a system where that is not part of the system, which is like a decentralized, open, free software metanet.

00:46:17.000 I agree.

00:46:18.000 And, you know, decentralization is a huge key.

00:46:21.000 But I think even before that right now, and this is one of the things that we're really focused on, is we got to build, we got to build infrastructure.

00:46:28.000 Because you can't turn anything on without the infrastructure.

00:46:31.000 You saw what happened to Parler, they got turned off overnight.

00:46:34.000 And then once you have the infrastructure in place, you know, common carrier based infrastructure, then you can start building things.

00:46:41.000 And you can, you know, you can really kind of take all kinds of different businesses and really build off of that.

00:46:45.000 If you want people to help you build, and if you want to build a community, you got to build a lot of trust.

00:46:50.000 So, you know, there's a big question.

00:46:51.000 You guys got a lot of institutional money that usually corrupts companies.

00:46:56.000 What plan do you have to show that you won't be corrupted?

00:46:59.000 And what can you offer the people who are coming to you as transparency and oversight that you will treat them differently than YouTube did?

00:47:07.000 Yeah, no, that's a great question.

00:47:11.000 So, one of the things that we did when we decided to merge with CFEI is we went out and raised money on the premise that we're going to be immune to cancel culture.

00:47:21.000 We're going to be restoring the internet to its roots by making it free and open again.

00:47:27.000 Building a cloud that's going to be as close to a common carrier as possible.

00:47:31.000 A rumble platform that is not going to censor.

00:47:34.000 That's what we told investors.

00:47:36.000 That's what we raised money on.

00:47:38.000 That's what we're doing.

00:47:39.000 That's what we went to Cantor Fitzgerald for.

00:47:41.000 And we now, if we will be one of the first companies to enter the public markets once this merge concludes.

00:47:50.000 Um, on the, on that premise, we're not on the, we're not going into the, into the public markets on the premise of, of a Google that requires, you know, all these other things.

00:48:01.000 We're on the premise that we're going to be immune to cancel culture. 0.99

00:48:03.000 And if we don't live up to that, then we now have a massive liability on our hands.

00:48:07.000 We have no choice, but to stick, we put the stake in the ground on that premise.

00:48:13.000 Twitter was the free speech wing of the free speech party.

00:48:17.000 Yeah, big money.

00:48:18.000 We need to bypass fiat, basically.

00:48:21.000 Well, Twitter initially, when they got started, they joked they were the free speech wing of the free speech party.

00:48:26.000 So they made all the same statements and promises.

00:48:28.000 YouTube used to allow the craziest videos, pranks involving violence.

00:48:34.000 And so I think it's really easy for you to say, like, here's our mission statement when you're growing and competing.

00:48:39.000 But what happens when you reach that plateau where you're now on a similar level and all

00:48:43.000 of a sudden you've got investors, you've got government interests, you've got Congress

00:48:49.000 breathing down your neck, all of a sudden you're like, it is easier just to get rid

00:48:52.000 of this and not fight.

00:48:58.000 It all depends on the person that's there.

00:49:01.000 Can you make corporate bylaws barring something?

00:49:05.000 That's a good question.

00:49:06.000 I don't know the answer to that.

00:49:08.000 Can we maybe make a pledge towards transparency, oversight, free speech?

00:49:11.000 Well, one thing we did do, and I think this is unprecedented, is that When, after we announced the merge with CFEI, we had a company ask us to demonetize Dan Bongino.

00:49:28.000 And instead of complying with doing that... Gave him a raise.

00:49:33.000 Yes.

00:49:33.000 We did.

00:49:34.000 You cloned him.

00:49:36.000 You finally released the clones?

00:49:40.000 So what we did is we cancelled Tremor Unruly and Tremor Media.

00:49:48.000 They cited that they saw content that they didn't like and we asked them where's that content that they don't like?

00:49:53.000 Does that violate our terms of service?

00:49:56.000 No response.

00:49:57.000 And we said, basically, if you don't provide us the information that violates our term of service, we're effectively canceling.

00:50:06.000 If you want to appeal with us to bring ads back on Rumble, you let us know by this date.

00:50:12.000 So it's on advertising.

00:50:13.000 And we canceled.

00:50:13.000 We canceled one of the largest advertising networks on the planet because they tried to cancel Dan Bongino.

00:50:21.000 That's cancel culture. 0.99

00:50:21.000 Now you're... No, I'm just kidding. 0.99

00:50:23.000 Are you aware of the ESG score?

00:50:26.000 Not particularly.

00:50:27.000 I think that's with respect to environmental.

00:50:31.000 So this is the environmental, social, and corporate government score that a lot of bigger financial institutions like Blackstone use as a way of funneling money into, of course, big companies.

00:50:42.000 So to comply with that, you have to push a certain narrative, have certain beliefs, have certain amounts of people based on their identities and their race, and there's many different things.

00:50:52.000 But they essentially, the big money guys, come and say, you guys got to play by these rules.

00:50:56.000 You guys have a good score.

00:50:57.000 You comply with our agenda.

00:50:59.000 You get more money.

00:51:00.000 You get more loans.

00:51:01.000 What's preventing you guys from being affected by the ESG score?

00:51:07.000 And Blackstone.

00:51:08.000 If Blackstone came and said, we'll give you a bunch of money, would you accept it?

00:51:11.000 Well, I guess, can't they just publicly go and buy the public shares on the market?

00:51:15.000 Isn't that how it works?

00:51:17.000 They have the option to do that.

00:51:18.000 They know what we're all about.

00:51:19.000 If they're supportive of our mission and what we're doing and the creators on our platform, go ahead.

00:51:24.000 But at the same time, you know, We're not going to bend our mission.

00:51:31.000 I'm not going to bend this mission.

00:51:32.000 I have roughly 85% voting control, and I'm not going to bend for changing this mission.

00:51:38.000 The mission is to restore the roots, to create that free and open internet we once had.

00:51:43.000 What will happen is Blackstone, like State Street, big investment firms will collude to get like 20% of the company.

00:51:50.000 They can't.

00:51:51.000 There's only 11%, roughly 11.

00:51:51.000 Available, 11% is available.

00:51:55.000 And then canters are roughly two to three.

00:51:57.000 It's all public, this information.

00:51:59.000 So you're only selling 11% of the company.

00:52:01.000 I'll have about 85% voting control.

00:52:03.000 It's all public on the site.

00:52:05.000 You can kind of see the breakdown of the current holders versus our current holders are a large portion of this,

00:52:12.000 I think.

00:52:13.000 How big is your board?

00:52:14.000 So I'm putting that together right now.

00:52:16.000 I'm working really hard.

00:52:18.000 Is that public?

00:52:20.000 It will become public, that information.

00:52:22.000 I would imagine that these companies will try to get somebody on your board.

00:52:25.000 And then once they're on the board, they start to see discontent with other board members when you're not around.

00:52:29.000 And that's how they'll try and get you out.

00:52:31.000 That's what they did to Dorset.

00:52:32.000 I have 85% control.

00:52:34.000 Voting shareholder voting control so that that allows me to I I think the rules I don't want to speak out of line But I think the 85% allows a lot like you could just kick somebody off the board.

00:52:48.000 I Don't know.

00:52:49.000 Hopefully I don't know about Canadian law, but this will be this will be us.

00:52:53.000 This will be us In the United States, you still have to convene a meeting.

00:52:56.000 The meeting has to be... There's process.

00:52:59.000 You have to abide by process and you have to do everything by the book.

00:53:03.000 But when you have 85% voting control to appoint boards of the directors, that's a significant controlling interest in the company.

00:53:11.000 And it really allows us to protect that mission.

00:53:16.000 But I also think that the bigger protection is not just me having that control.

00:53:21.000 It's really drawing a stake in the sand of what this company is.

00:53:24.000 Our shareholder base, whoever is going to be buying Rumble, really believes in what we're doing.

00:53:31.000 I don't even, I'm not sure if institutions, will institutions be interested?

00:53:36.000 They should be because it's gonna, I think this is the future of the world.

00:53:40.000 I think free, freedom is, you can't buy that.

00:53:43.000 That's something that, you know, we need in this, on this planet more than anything.

00:53:47.000 Are you ever going to sell your stock?

00:53:50.000 And if you do, how much stock would you sell?

00:53:53.000 That's a great question.

00:53:54.000 How should I answer that one?

00:53:57.000 No, so like at this point, you know, I'm all in and what I'm seeing on the internet and what I'm seeing how this internet has changed in the last 15 years really Really, it's really more of a mission now than anything else in the world.

00:54:15.000 And I feel like we're, we're the tip of the spear of really protecting the free and the open internet, especially if we really build this infrastructure out.

00:54:22.000 And, uh, you know, we get, we really support a lot of businesses.

00:54:27.000 I think that that's going to be a really important, really important factor.

00:54:31.000 In the next couple of years.

00:54:32.000 And I really need to go all in on this.

00:54:34.000 This is not about selling out and going out.

00:54:36.000 Yeah.

00:54:36.000 The networking thing is huge.

00:54:37.000 If we can somehow build a meshed network, maybe with devices like the Freedom Phone or a sort of phone where we can host our servers, I think you might be the guy to lead.

00:54:47.000 Because I know your history in building servers and your interest in building up the network.

00:54:53.000 I don't know if I have enough faith in people, be it you or Getter.

00:55:00.000 I think that for the most part, whether people want to acknowledge it or not, they're moving only in the direction they can move in.

00:55:08.000 So for Rumble, for Getter, for even Mines.

00:55:12.000 There's an opportunity in that YouTube is killing conversations.

00:55:17.000 You know, they make it impossible to have meaningful conversations.

00:55:21.000 It is harder and harder every day.

00:55:23.000 And it's fascinating when I see how many channels will get a guideline strike over similar conversations we'd have.

00:55:29.000 But obviously, we're a big show.

00:55:31.000 YouTube's probably scared.

00:55:33.000 Because that's the way the game is played.

00:55:35.000 That's the way the machine works.

00:55:36.000 YouTube can only do what the culture will tolerate.

00:55:39.000 So what I mean by that is, I fully believe, like with what I saw at Vice, there will come a point where unless you put in legal bylaws or restrictions or something, I don't even know if that would work to be honest, it's only a matter of time before Rumble becomes YouTube in the exact same way.

00:55:58.000 But that doesn't mean right now what you're doing is bad, it means there's always going to be a new market opportunity for someone to bring back real and raw conversations.

00:56:07.000 Yeah, I also think being private is more dangerous, in a sense.

00:56:11.000 Being public is going to require us to be transparent about what we're doing.

00:56:15.000 And, you know, when you go out and raise money from shareholders on a specific mission on what you're going to do, the second you go against that mission, you have liability.

00:56:25.000 So it's a different standard when going public.

00:56:28.000 I don't know of any companies that are trying to go public that are saying that they're going to be immune to cancel culture.

00:56:35.000 What happens when you get inundated with press?

00:56:40.000 We do.

00:56:41.000 And they say bad things.

00:56:43.000 Every day.

00:56:44.000 And it negatively impacts your stock price.

00:56:46.000 It doesn't.

00:56:47.000 But what happens in five years?

00:56:49.000 Let's put it this way.

00:56:51.000 In five years, you end up with an overt communist, you know, on Rumble, who's building a big following, saying as close as he can, calling for insurrection and revolution without crossing any legal lines.

00:57:03.000 And then you end up with tons of people just being like, yo, this is really bad.

00:57:09.000 You know, this guy is, is, is purposefully manipulating the platform.

00:57:13.000 He's doing all these dirty things.

00:57:15.000 You need to get rid of them.

00:57:16.000 And then all of a sudden, all these stories come out and everyone says, you guys, you are, you are allowing something evil and wrong.

00:57:22.000 And then you end up getting, you know, negatively impacting your stock.

00:57:26.000 Then the shareholders revolt and say, why won't you get rid of this guy?

00:57:29.000 He's clearly breaking the rules.

00:57:31.000 And then you ban him.

00:57:32.000 Right?

00:57:33.000 We're going to ban someone that doesn't violate our policies?

00:57:35.000 Not going to happen.

00:57:37.000 So, perhaps, and perhaps it's easy to say, the point I'm bringing up is... Like, if he doesn't violate our policies, we're not banning.

00:57:46.000 Doesn't your policy say you can ban anybody at any time?

00:57:49.000 I don't have that in front of me.

00:57:51.000 I'm pretty sure it does.

00:57:52.000 Most everybody does.

00:57:54.000 Even if it does, let's say it does.

00:57:58.000 And he's not violating any of our policies.

00:58:00.000 We're not going to do that.

00:58:01.000 I'm not going to do that.

00:58:02.000 That's not something I'm going to do.

00:58:04.000 I can hear what you're saying and perhaps that's as far as we can go.

00:58:08.000 You say it won't happen.

00:58:09.000 I say I believe at some point it will.

00:58:11.000 I just feel like when you open the door to any public investor for any percentage When you start getting, you know, shareholder revolt, anger, you know, saying you are not staying true to your mission, you'll have to abide by what the people in your company are saying.

00:58:27.000 The mission is to keep it free and open.

00:58:31.000 And that's the mission.

00:58:33.000 So these shareholders that are not interested in that shouldn't be holding our stock.

00:58:38.000 They shouldn't be part of that.

00:58:39.000 They should sell.

00:58:39.000 They should get out of it because that's not what we're doing.

00:58:41.000 It's not free and open to allow communists to advocate for the complete dissolution and destruction of the United States.

00:58:49.000 If there's incitement of violence, that's a different story.

00:58:51.000 But what if they're organizing Antifa rallies that have resulted in violence?

00:58:55.000 They've never explicitly said to do it, but they've said everybody should come and come down here.

00:58:59.000 We're all black.

00:59:01.000 And then all of a sudden, mass violence keeps breaking out.

00:59:03.000 I guess the question is, are they breaking our policy or not?

00:59:07.000 If they're breaking the policy, then they're gone.

00:59:09.000 If they're not breaking the policy, then they're knocked off.

00:59:11.000 And the NSA is going to be all over that one.

00:59:14.000 I really doubt it.

00:59:14.000 They'll be deep in your system watching.

00:59:16.000 You might have an employee that works for the NSA for all... So, how would you do it?

00:59:21.000 What's the best way to make sure?

00:59:24.000 Decentralize the data so that you don't have control of it, so that you can't ban it.

00:59:28.000 Yeah, what Ian said.

00:59:30.000 Yeah, that's a good thing.

00:59:32.000 He's right.

00:59:33.000 He's right in so many ways.

00:59:34.000 And one of the things that we want to do, and I've talked about this before, is imagine that every creator on Rumble, you get access to your data.

00:59:44.000 It's your data, not ours.

00:59:46.000 Imagine that.

00:59:47.000 I've wanted that from you two for 20 years.

00:59:49.000 Let me give you one.

00:59:50.000 Let's say somebody... Here's your number one policy.

00:59:54.000 You may not post or transmit any message which is libelous, defamatory, or which discloses private or personal matters concerning any person or entity.

01:00:01.000 Let's say Vosh. 1.00

01:00:03.000 He's not a journalist, but let's say one day he decides to go confront Steven Crowder in front of his home.

01:00:09.000 And says, Stephen, you said this, that, or otherwise, and I want an answer from you.

01:00:12.000 And you can see his home.

01:00:14.000 Would you ban him for that?

01:00:17.000 Or me doing that to David Rockefeller.

01:00:19.000 Because I did that outside David Rockefeller's house.

01:00:21.000 But I'm using Vaush as an example.

01:00:23.000 Because Crowder's a big user on your platform.

01:00:26.000 If someone shows up in front of his house where you can see his neighborhood and everything, and he's questioning him, would you ban that?

01:00:33.000 So if it violates our policy, we'll ban it.

01:00:35.000 But the policy is very vague.

01:00:38.000 Does that violate your policy?

01:00:39.000 Filming Crowder's address.

01:00:42.000 It's a good question, because the policies that we had since 2013 are vague.

01:00:48.000 And we've changed them to tighten them up a little bit to try to get a little bit more transparent a couple years ago.

01:00:53.000 Actually, a year ago.

01:00:55.000 And they're still not good enough.

01:00:57.000 It's pretty much the same thing in spirit.

01:00:59.000 So what we've done is we're going to, that I mentioned before, is we're bringing on Robert Barnes, Viva Frey, and a bunch of other free speech advocate lawyers to help us really define these in a way that everybody can understand.

01:01:14.000 For me, this is lawyer stuff.

01:01:18.000 If I go take it to our internal counsel, they're going to make it as general as possible, vague as possible to make it as As accustomed and as good as possible for Rumble.

01:01:26.000 But what I think we could do differently, and what I want to do differently, is take it to the community.

01:01:33.000 Have people like yourselves, have guys like Robert help us build this, and really come up with a solution and transparency around these things that are vague.

01:01:40.000 Because you're right, they're vague.

01:01:42.000 Absolutely.

01:01:43.000 But that's the nature of us starting this business in 2013, not us building this platform in the environment in the last year.

01:01:52.000 So that's something that we're going to do, and we're going to address it, and we're going to make it clear, and we're going to make it as transparent as possible.

01:01:59.000 But I also think this is the conversation everybody wants us to have, because it's like, you know, it makes... they're very difficult questions to answer.

01:02:08.000 So like, whatever my policies are here, how do we make sure that we stay in the Play Store?

01:02:13.000 And in the App Store.

01:02:14.000 Because they have policies that are more vague than that.

01:02:17.000 And like, it gets worse.

01:02:18.000 So, we'll look.

01:02:20.000 First, I want to make sure it's clear.

01:02:22.000 You're only getting, you know, these questions because you're allowing them.

01:02:26.000 I mean, Google, YouTube, you know, Facebook, they wouldn't even come here and have these discussions.

01:02:30.000 Which is why it was so insane that Jack Dorsey actually sat down and had a conversation with me and Joe.

01:02:36.000 But that being said, You have rule number five.

01:02:38.000 You may not post or transmit any message which is abusive, inciting, violence, harassing, harmful, hateful, anti-Semitic, racist, or threatening.

01:02:45.000 And so there's interesting questions about what abusive means, what harassing means, what harmful means.

01:02:50.000 I understand you mentioned vague.

01:02:51.000 Absolutely.

01:02:52.000 But I will point out that you've already adopted the narrative of the left Silicon Valley tech giants.

01:02:59.000 Before anyone's even joined your platform, the rules you already had in place already align with Silicon Valley.

01:03:05.000 Not entirely.

01:03:06.000 That's not true.

01:03:07.000 Um, so the, what you're looking at is the same type of stuff that was on YouTube 10 years ago.

01:03:14.000 We didn't really have that many problems on YouTube 10 years ago, did we?

01:03:18.000 Uh, no, no.

01:03:20.000 I'm not, I'm not sure they had these specific rules.

01:03:24.000 Definitely.

01:03:25.000 You could get away with a lot in the early days, but in terms of like racism and antisemitism, that was on their platform.

01:03:32.000 You were not allowed to do that.

01:03:34.000 So, when it comes to the last two years, what's happened in the goal... The way they've moved and changed their terms is... Like I said, this is a conversation they want us to have because there's no answer to it.

01:03:46.000 And these are just general terms and conditions.

01:03:49.000 And we're going to address this as good as we possibly can by bringing in the community to help us do it.

01:03:54.000 But the real conversation is Rumble didn't grow because these terms are there and we're banning people.

01:04:00.000 We're not growing because there's racist content on Rumble.

01:04:03.000 That's not part of Rumble at all.

01:04:05.000 Rumble's growing because people can have conversations that they could have at the dinner table.

01:04:09.000 I think, yeah, but that's now.

01:04:11.000 But you could ban people in the future.

01:04:13.000 And then if you want people to go to your network and put their blood, sweat, and tears and whole careers into your network, you've got to give them some reassurance.

01:04:21.000 So I think the vague terms and services are one issue, but I think there's two possible solutions here that I think might be able to provide that.

01:04:21.000 Absolutely.

01:04:30.000 And I might be totally wrong about this, but I think having oversight, transparency, and accountability, especially when it comes to destroying someone's livelihood, Someone's entire business, someone's entire work, would be something that should be done in a transparent way where people get to decide what to do and not some mysterious overlord that mysteriously just clicks off.

01:04:51.000 And then second would be possibly having you or someone a part of the larger corporation signing a contract pledging, I will not sell this stock, I will uphold the First Amendment, And if I don't do so, I will have to give all my stock to the users or chop off my right hand.

01:05:07.000 Would you be willing to sign an agreement like that saying, I promise not to sell the majority of my stock.

01:05:13.000 I will uphold the First Amendment legally.

01:05:15.000 I will reassure you what you're reassuring us today on a contract.

01:05:19.000 Would you be willing to sign that contract?

01:05:21.000 So who am I signing a contract with?

01:05:24.000 Just the general public, your users.

01:05:26.000 So instead of the user coming and agreeing to your terms and services, you are agreeing to a term of services for the users.

01:05:33.000 I would love to do something like that.

01:05:35.000 That's a great idea.

01:05:36.000 I think that's a really good idea. 0.93

01:05:40.000 To the circumstance that you will chop off your right arm. 0.55

01:05:43.000 We can make a vague one right now.

01:05:45.000 I have a pen and paper.

01:05:46.000 We can make a vague contract right now.

01:05:48.000 Would you sign it right now on this show?

01:05:50.000 Wait, hold on.

01:05:51.000 Would you sign it right now on the show if I say, I, your name, will chop off my hand if I violate this and sell off the majority of my stock?

01:05:59.000 Well, you can't put it that way.

01:05:59.000 You can say yes and you can say no.

01:06:01.000 But will you sign this right now?

01:06:04.000 Chop his hand off?

01:06:05.000 Come on.

01:06:05.000 I have a question.

01:06:06.000 You want to ask a serious question.

01:06:07.000 Sell off your stocks or give off your stocks to the user base.

01:06:11.000 Well, that would just make the problem worse.

01:06:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:13.000 That's like coercion, basically.

01:06:17.000 I got a question.

01:06:18.000 As you guys were talking about how you should handle your network, I realized, like, no one should own the network.

01:06:24.000 Rumble should be part of a group of companies that are building a network that is there for all of us to utilize, and that maybe we can help upkeep it, all of us.

01:06:33.000 But, like, I think of Mines.

01:06:34.000 It's not Mines.com.

01:06:35.000 That's a social network that was built by Mines.

01:06:37.000 Mines is a tech company.

01:06:39.000 So that's, I think, the goal is to build a network that none of us control.

01:06:44.000 So, you know, one of the concerns I had when you guys acquired Locals, which was Dave Rubin's subscription service, it's all good.

01:06:54.000 Right?

01:06:55.000 It's good that these platforms exist.

01:06:56.000 It's good that you guys exist.

01:06:58.000 We use Rumble for our website as well.

01:07:02.000 We post our content here because it's all a net positive.

01:07:04.000 And, you know, aside from the fact that we're asking hard questions, the reality is I trust you way more than I trust YouTube or any one of these other platforms.

01:07:12.000 And I don't think you guys will end up...

01:07:15.000 No, it's not.

01:07:16.000 We should never have to trust that someone has, like, it's not personal at all.

01:07:16.000 It should be about trust.

01:07:20.000 I don't want to be in control of other people's.

01:07:22.000 It shouldn't happen.

01:07:23.000 Right, right, right.

01:07:24.000 That's not the point I'm getting to.

01:07:25.000 I'm saying, for now, you know, like, I definitely would prefer, you know, I prefer your guidance or moderation over YouTube's for sure.

01:07:34.000 But the issue I have is that centralization is still the main problem.

01:07:37.000 Dave, uh, Dave Rubin launches Locals, and, you know, he's signing people up, and everyone's like, okay, I'm gonna sign up for this, and I'm just, I'm confused by it.

01:07:44.000 I, I, I ask some of the people who've signed up, I'm like, how have, how have you solved the problem?

01:07:48.000 You haven't.

01:07:48.000 And they're like, well, I know Dave.

01:07:50.000 And I'm like, yeah?

01:07:51.000 And I've, I've spoken with the CEO of Patreon on numerous occasions.

01:07:54.000 And he's made a bunch of assurances to me, and they're like, well, I trust Dave.

01:07:57.000 And I'm like, okay, well, if you don't trust the guy from Patreon because he's banned people, you do trust Dave, you're still in the exact same position where Dave can make all the promises in the world just like Jack Conte did, and then you still get your income nuked, because when push comes to shove, Visa approaches, you know, you guys, and says, if you don't ban Luke Rutkowski, we will terminate financial services to your firm.

01:08:18.000 You will say yes.

01:08:20.000 Uh, that's not true because locals, your subscribers are in your own accounts, not ours.

01:08:26.000 We don't control that.

01:08:27.000 What does that mean?

01:08:28.000 It means when you get a subscription on locals, it goes into your Stripe account or wherever account connected.

01:08:34.000 We don't have access to that.

01:08:36.000 And so, what'll end up happening is, there will be some level of infrastructure, because this is what actually happened to Patreon.

01:08:45.000 They had, I think it was Mastercard, went to Patreon and said, ban this guy, his name was Robert Spencer, I think it was?

01:08:53.000 He's like a researcher on jihadism and stuff like that.

01:08:57.000 They said, ban him, or we will terminate your use of Mastercard Financial Services.

01:09:04.000 Does Rumble and Locals use Visa and MasterCard financial services for any part of their infrastructure?

01:09:09.000 The subscriptions, I, you know, through the... Oh, that's not what I asked.

01:09:12.000 I didn't ask about subscriptions.

01:09:14.000 Not Rumble specifically, no.

01:09:17.000 Not Locals. 0.99

01:09:18.000 Rumble as a company doesn't use Visa or MasterCard?

01:09:20.000 We use, like, for example, Stripe.

01:09:23.000 Yeah, they use Visa.

01:09:24.000 They use the Swift payment system.

01:09:26.000 So how does your company pay for things if you don't use...

01:09:29.000 Oh, are you talking about local subscriptions?

01:09:32.000 How that works?

01:09:33.000 I'm talking about Rumble and locals as companies.

01:09:36.000 Do they ever make transactions using Visa and MasterCard?

01:09:39.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:09:40.000 And so what happens when they come to you and they say, ban this person or else?

01:09:43.000 That's what happened to Patreon.

01:09:44.000 So if, yeah, so, you know, if that happened to a locals user and, you know, we had to ban a user because they asked us to ban, whether we would do it or not, this is a whole different story.

01:09:56.000 They've already tried doing that with Dan Bongino and we told them to pound sand.

01:10:00.000 But let's say we did that just hypothetically.

01:10:04.000 You still have your account with all your subscriptions and your revenue.

01:10:07.000 It doesn't get nuked.

01:10:08.000 It's in your account.

01:10:09.000 We don't control it.

01:10:11.000 That's yours.

01:10:13.000 So you can go port it and build your own website and run it.

01:10:16.000 Well, that's great.

01:10:18.000 That's how it functions currently.

01:10:20.000 That's good, but I still feel like, you know, one of the things that I found disconcerting, just in the long-term process, I think everything we're hearing right now are good short-term solutions, but, you know, Ian pointed this out, we're effectively building the exact same machine we've already had problems with.

01:10:37.000 You know, you have, you mentioned, you have the same rules that YouTube had back in the day.

01:10:40.000 And I don't disagree with a lot of the rules, to be completely honest. 0.93

01:10:43.000 I don't want anti-semitic or racist crap, you know, floating all over the place. 0.84

01:10:46.000 But I also, I question why it is that we're in this position where certain people aren't allowed to express their opinions, even if their opinions are really, really awful. 0.94

01:10:55.000 It's a very difficult position that nobody wants to accept, but I'll put it this way.

01:10:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:00.000 While I personally find anti-semitism, racism abhorrent, I don't feel that I should have the authority to tell people that they shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions because, in my view, sunlight being the best disinfectant, challenging those ideas is important.

01:11:15.000 Except if you have too much mold, then sunlight even isn't gonna...

01:11:19.000 That's a good point.

01:11:20.000 It cakes everything.

01:11:21.000 But the real question, the harder question is, how do you get around the stores to access the larger side of the market?

01:11:27.000 We need our own.

01:11:28.000 We do.

01:11:28.000 This is Metroid or something like that.

01:11:30.000 Absolutely.

01:11:31.000 But we got to get there first, though.

01:11:33.000 So how do we get there?

01:11:35.000 Build a device where we can have it preloaded.

01:11:37.000 Visa and MasterCard have their own terms of service, which include much of the exact same language.

01:11:42.000 Banking institutions, and even companies you've never heard of and don't realize you use, have these same terms of service.

01:11:49.000 So we've already seen people debanked.

01:11:52.000 And so the issue is, even if you're pledging, we're not going to do these things, you're still a part of the big machine.

01:11:59.000 And so for us, the discussion we had, you know, when Patreon banned Carl Benjamin and this exodus happened, they banned Lawrence Southern and they banned Carl Benjamin, Sargon of Akkad, And, uh, immediately I get, you know, Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin are talking about doing the subscription service, and I said, that doesn't solve anything because what happened to Patreon wasn't like Jack Conte, the CEO, one day said, I don't want Lawrence on the platform.

01:12:21.000 He got external pressure from business, from company partners, and he was put in this position where he's like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do here because he's not a political guy.

01:12:30.000 Carl Benjamin got banned, and he broke his promise that he wouldn't just terminate somebody.

01:12:34.000 So they decide to make centralized platforms.

01:12:36.000 Well, Ian and I had this conversation, and the only real solution is complete decentralization.

01:12:40.000 It's good that you guys on Locals, you have your own Stripe account with all your subscriptions, so even if they're banned from Locals, they still have Stripe.

01:12:48.000 Stripe would have to ban them.

01:12:49.000 That's great.

01:12:51.000 That's fantastic.

01:12:52.000 But ultimately, in the end, There needs to be, in my opinion, a way for people to ultimately control their own hosting so that they can't be banned.

01:13:01.000 Because I'll say this, it does still feel like a half measure.

01:13:03.000 It's good, their revenue won't be completely purged, but now they have no product and they have no place for it.

01:13:09.000 I suppose they could then try and build a website.

01:13:11.000 So what Ian and I had discussed was, okay, can we create a service that just instantly gives you your own website?

01:13:19.000 So taking it one step further.

01:13:21.000 This is what I thought Locals was going to be.

01:13:24.000 I thought Locals was going to be that you'd sign up and you would just get the code, and you would have your own website with your own domain, and you guys would have no ability to ban people.

01:13:34.000 Then I saw very quickly that it was the same thing as Patreon, but now it's your personal Stripe account where the accounts are getting logged in, which, again, better, but still a centralized platform.

01:13:46.000 If, you know, look, when I talk to some of the people that use Locals, I ask them why they didn't just set up their own Stripe account on their own website and never have to worry about it again, and they said, I don't know how.

01:13:55.000 And I'm like, okay, that's a good point.

01:13:57.000 But that also means if you guys ban them, they don't know how.

01:13:59.000 They're not going to just magically decide, you know, figure out how to do it.

01:14:03.000 In which case to me, the solution was build a tech function, a service, an app software that allows people to just click a button.

01:14:11.000 They set up their own website and boom, it's done.

01:14:13.000 Ready to go.

01:14:14.000 Five minutes tops.

01:14:15.000 Yeah.

01:14:15.000 And then no one can ban them.

01:14:17.000 Yeah.

01:14:18.000 You're still going to have to solve for the hosting, the video streaming.

01:14:20.000 You're going to, there's a lot of things to solve for in that.

01:14:23.000 That's a, Yeah, they'll pay for it.

01:14:24.000 And they'll save money, too, because the amount of money that Locals takes from their creators exceeds the amount they'd spend if they did it themselves.

01:14:31.000 Are you sure?

01:14:32.000 Absolutely.

01:14:33.000 So what's the economics there?

01:14:34.000 Where are you running?

01:14:35.000 The percentage that Locals takes from the creators is more than it would cost for them to host their own content.

01:14:42.000 So if, let's, let's look at that.

01:14:44.000 Um, if you're making, there's economies of scale for everything, right?

01:14:48.000 And once you get to a certain scale, it makes sense to, to build it on your, build it on your own.

01:14:54.000 Um, and, uh, you know, let's take, let's say you're doing $10,000 in billing or $1,000 in billing a month.

01:15:02.000 Does it make sense to build it on your own?

01:15:05.000 If Locals is taking a hundred dollars?

01:15:06.000 Yes.

01:15:07.000 You sure?

01:15:08.000 Yes, because if you- Why?

01:15:10.000 If in the long term- So managing, hosting, streaming- Yes.

01:15:14.000 Putting it all together- 100% absolutely.

01:15:16.000 Because- You don't think it's worth your time.

01:15:17.000 100 bucks.

01:15:19.000 So what you're doing right now is you're convincing people to give you their long-term prospects to basically put themselves in a position where they're beholden to your platform.

01:15:27.000 That's not true.

01:15:28.000 They're restricted.

01:15:28.000 They own the subscriptions.

01:15:30.000 They still have it.

01:15:30.000 Dude, if they could port their Rumble account to the Fediverse account that we're building, and back and forth, just move.

01:15:36.000 Or the locals account, you mean.

01:15:37.000 Yeah, or... They can.

01:15:38.000 They have all the... Yeah, that's a good function.

01:15:40.000 That's gonna be good.

01:15:40.000 They have all the subscribers.

01:15:42.000 We don't own them.

01:15:43.000 They have them.

01:15:43.000 And again, that's absolutely fantastic.

01:15:45.000 So like, whether they decide to do it today or tomorrow, They can do whatever they can do whenever they want.

01:15:49.000 But they need a service that can function like Rumble that they can move it on to.

01:15:53.000 So how do you notify all of your subscribers that you're no longer on this platform and that now you're moving to a new website?

01:16:02.000 The reality is you email them.

01:16:04.000 And it doesn't work.

01:16:06.000 It doesn't work because, you know, look, I've been doing this for a long time.

01:16:08.000 I saw how much money was lost by all the people who jumped from Patreon.

01:16:12.000 Because you will never be able to get 100% of people subscribed to you to be notified.

01:16:18.000 It's just not possible.

01:16:19.000 We've had issues where we weren't doing the show, for instance.

01:16:23.000 And I'll put on the YouTube channel, for this reason, we're off tonight.

01:16:27.000 And I get emails like crazy, like, where's the show?

01:16:29.000 And I'm like, wow.

01:16:30.000 I just assumed people would go to the YouTube channel and see the message, which is right there on the page, but they don't know.

01:16:35.000 You could have it when they go to the banned account.

01:16:37.000 Instead of saying, this account no longer exists, it says, this account has been banned and can be found at, and then the user is allowed to put in like a link where they're going to go.

01:16:44.000 I don't know if that's considered a full ban, but that'd be cool.

01:16:47.000 So, for those that are asking, because I see it in the chat, we do have, what is it, a functioning alpha?

01:16:53.000 It's not quite... I wouldn't call... It's not something you can play with yet, but we're quickly building out the early alpha.

01:16:59.000 We're pre-alpha right now.

01:17:01.000 Here's the issue they end up having with everything, is that if someone...

01:17:06.000 When someone comes to me and says, we want X percent of your revenue, and then you can be on our website, my issue is, for a one-time investment that is a small multiple of that number, I never have to worry about any of these risks ever again.

01:17:22.000 I completely own everything, and we're good.

01:17:26.000 If you sign up for Locals, it's better than Patreon in that you mentioned it's your own Stripe account.

01:17:32.000 But then, In the future, you're giving, what's the percentage that locals take?

01:17:36.000 Let me ask you.

01:17:38.000 10% of your revenue.

01:17:38.000 Let's say that you decide you want to make a living doing this content.

01:17:42.000 And locals says, we're gonna take 10%.

01:17:44.000 You say, it's just a hundred bucks.

01:17:45.000 It's a hundred bucks.

01:17:46.000 Except what happens if they hit a viral video and within six months, they have 600,000 subscribers on YouTube, for instance.

01:17:53.000 That means they end up with like 10,000 people paying 10 bucks a month.

01:17:57.000 Now they're giving you $10,000 per month For hosting service, which would cost them maybe $500 or $1,000.

01:18:04.000 And you, and sure you can leave whenever you want.

01:18:07.000 Good luck telling all of those people to port over to a new website, to change their routines.

01:18:13.000 It's extremely difficult to do.

01:18:14.000 We could synchronize it so that once they start getting enough hits and they're making 10,000 and they're paying a thousands too much, they want their own server.

01:18:21.000 Now they can just kind of move it over to their server, still be on rumble, still be found.

01:18:26.000 All the analytics can still go through rumble, but they've now hosting their own thing on their own server.

01:18:31.000 I hear what people are saying too, you know, because we've talked to people and they said it's good to be on the platform because there's like-minded people and it's a community and I'm like, okay, you know that I completely understand.

01:18:40.000 I just feel like, you know, for you guys obviously you need to make money.

01:18:46.000 It's a business, it's got to generate profit.

01:18:49.000 10% I think is just, man, I guess I'm too much of a lefty in that capacity.

01:18:53.000 To me, it just feels like you're ripping people off.

01:18:56.000 I think you're both making good points because at a low threshold, there's a value to it.

01:18:56.000 Really?

01:19:00.000 But once you exceed a certain number of subscriptions, it's overly costly.

01:19:05.000 I think it's a lot of work to manage your own site and hire someone and then connect it to AWS.

01:19:13.000 First of all, AWS is a lot more expensive than typical hosts like Rumble.

01:19:16.000 We launched our website for, what was it, like a thousand bucks?

01:19:20.000 That's what the software we're building basically does that for you.

01:19:23.000 Yeah, and if you were to use Amazon for streaming video, it'd be significantly more expensive than it is using Rumble.

01:19:29.000 We do use Rumble.

01:19:30.000 I know.

01:19:32.000 I'm very much critical in a lot of respects, but we absolutely do use Rumble.

01:19:37.000 But we make it very cheap, and we make it very accessible in that sense that if you were to go to any other provider, Amazon is significantly more expensive.

01:19:47.000 How do you cheapen it?

01:19:49.000 Well, we own our own stuff.

01:19:50.000 We're not reselling anything.

01:19:53.000 It's coming straight off of us.

01:19:54.000 And we have economies of scale.

01:19:55.000 When you have economies of scale, it really brings down the pricing and allows you to be aggressive on things.

01:20:01.000 A lot more aggressive than anybody else.

01:20:02.000 As in like virtual servers that you open up?

01:20:05.000 Yeah, so like, you know, Rumble does so much bandwidth that we're able to get it at prices that are from carriers that are much cheaper than what you'd pay.

01:20:19.000 I think if you enter Amazon, you're paying at eight cents a gig.

01:20:22.000 At Rumble, at scale, when you're coming to us, you're like eight times cheaper.

01:20:27.000 Well, this is fascinating, actually, because you are Rumble and you are locals, and we use Rumble for our members-only content.

01:20:36.000 We post to Rumble because it's a great service, and it's substantially less expensive than your competition.

01:20:44.000 And I don't have to worry about censorship to a certain degree.

01:20:48.000 Like, obviously we're asking these questions, but Locals is still something different.

01:20:52.000 And having used your infrastructure and seeing how cheap it is to host per gig, and then to see how much Locals takes from the creators, I'm like, you see, it's kind of, it's kind of strange to me seeing both sides of it, right?

01:21:04.000 It's significantly better than Twitch or YouTube on Locals in terms of the cut that it's taking.

01:21:04.000 Yeah.

01:21:12.000 It's, it's actually quite low.

01:21:15.000 So for me, obviously I was looking at locals before you guys acquired them.

01:21:20.000 I know how much it costs us to host these videos.

01:21:23.000 I know how much it's going to cost us.

01:21:25.000 If we were using Vimeo at one point, we switched to you guys because honestly it was better.

01:21:30.000 And Vimeo is risky for our business because of their staff.

01:21:34.000 So we don't we don't want to do that.

01:21:36.000 But so I'm looking at we put up a video for members only.

01:21:38.000 Here's how many views we get in the members only video here.

01:21:41.000 It's actually I'll tell people who are listening.

01:21:43.000 It's decently expensive because we have so many subscribers, but the subscribers are paying.

01:21:49.000 So, you know, the costs, it covers the cost of all that allows us to have journalists and make this robust website.

01:21:55.000 Then I take a look at, you know, so very early on when we were looking to build the website, I see all the costs, I'm mapping all the stuff, and I've been in this business for, you know, a decade plus.

01:22:04.000 And then I see locals and they're like, here's how much we want from you to do the same thing.

01:22:07.000 And I'm like, oh, that's absurd.

01:22:08.000 That's obscene. 0.95

01:22:09.000 The amount of money you'd end up taking is ridiculous.

01:22:12.000 And then I see all of these people signing up.

01:22:14.000 And so I'm not, I'm not trying to drag you guys because I think it's good that locals exist.

01:22:17.000 I think it's good that Rumble exists and we use Rumble.

01:22:20.000 I'm just saying, I think the long-term solution is actually not any of this.

01:22:24.000 Well, the functionality is definitely a long-term solution, but it's the way that it's co-built.

01:22:30.000 Like, if it's proprietary, then it's going to get co-opted at some point.

01:22:33.000 When you either decide to quit or die or sell or whatever the hell, something's going to happen eventually one day, you'll no longer be...

01:22:40.000 So then it's going to go into somebody else's hands.

01:22:43.000 And if they control it, then we still need the function.

01:22:45.000 We just need access to the functionality 24 seven uninterrupted.

01:22:49.000 People should be watching your stuff and subscribe.

01:22:51.000 Yeah.

01:22:52.000 And one of the things about, you know, the rumble cloud that, that, that we're coming out with is that, you know, this is a service that can support whatever you guys are building.

01:22:59.000 If you guys are, are building something that's good for deploying it, you know, people don't have to use locals.

01:23:05.000 They should have choice.

01:23:06.000 They should be able to use other things and like use locals too.

01:23:10.000 We're providing that cloud and we'd love to work with you guys on that too.

01:23:15.000 And when you say that cloud, can you explain exactly what is the hardware?

01:23:19.000 So we're building POPs across the United States.

01:23:21.000 What's a POP?

01:23:24.000 Better question for someone else on my team, but I think it's point of something.

01:23:33.000 And so we have data centers across the U.S.

01:23:35.000 and we're putting in our own hardware, our own switches and connecting to carriers.

01:23:39.000 Post Office Protocol?

01:23:40.000 POP?

01:23:41.000 POP?

01:23:41.000 Like when you set up your... No.

01:23:43.000 Okay, something different.

01:23:45.000 So you're building servers?

01:23:46.000 Yeah, so we're putting in our own hardware, our own switches, routers and stuff, and data centers across the United States, multiple different places.

01:23:53.000 We're looking to have, you know, I think five in total by the end of this year.

01:23:58.000 Five data centers?

01:23:59.000 Yes.

01:24:00.000 We're at three right now.

01:24:03.000 Uh, it's, it's a big job.

01:24:06.000 It's something that, uh, we, we, we took on early last year and, uh, we're trying to accelerate that as fast as possible and then make that service available for what you guys are doing.

01:24:16.000 Like it doesn't, I understand, I understand some people might not like the 10% fee and that's totally fair.

01:24:22.000 Like if there's another solution that can do better than that, then that's great for the, for the market.

01:24:26.000 And, uh, you know, if we can be a provider on the bandwidth side, cause we're the best and most competitive on that, on that side, that's the way we should win.

01:24:32.000 I think another way to counter that if you are taking 10% showing people where the money is going to I think will also provide a level of oversight and some people gladly being like yeah I'll give 10% when I know exactly what it's going towards and I think there's another aspect here that is worth mentioning here because a couple years ago Julian Assange Released information that was accurate and he got punished by PayPal.

01:24:56.000 He got punished by all the credit card processors and they shut down his ability to raise funds for his independent media organization.

01:25:05.000 It would be very interesting to ask you what you would do in that situation, but not even just going there.

01:25:10.000 Would you be potentially interested in providing some kind of alternatives to the current financial system regarding cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin that's there as a plan B just in case if they do squash down on you, you could say they can't shut us all down because we have this alternative which is related to Bitcoin or cryptocurrency.

01:25:29.000 Yeah, so on the crypto side, we need to do something there.

01:25:32.000 And I've been looking, I've been trying to study it.

01:25:36.000 I think I want to, whatever we decide to do needs to provide immense value to the creator and to the user.

01:25:43.000 That's key number one.

01:25:44.000 And I think a lot of the stuff that you're seeing out there right now is providing immense value to whoever creates that token.

01:25:49.000 Yeah.

01:25:50.000 And I don't really like that.

01:25:51.000 So until we can find a real viable way, and I'm looking and I'm seeing what people are launching in the video space and a whole bunch of different other things.

01:26:02.000 Once there's something there, we need to adopt it.

01:26:05.000 And when that technology and tech gets there, we need to definitely adopt it.

01:26:09.000 There.

01:26:10.000 Um, I think what's happening, what you're talking about, the Ponzi scheme is where a creator will create a bunch of tokens and they hold most of them in their own personal wallet.

01:26:17.000 And then slowly they get, send them out there and they just become massively rich.

01:26:20.000 But like what mines did is create a utility token that it keeps in an account that it doesn't have access to.

01:26:25.000 None of the people have access to it.

01:26:26.000 And every day it spreads out like 10,000 tokens to the community.

01:26:31.000 There was a really good, I forget the site, they tried to compete against Twitter.

01:26:36.000 It was like something that started with a B. I think like Michael Arrington and a few of these, Anderson Horowitz was behind it.

01:26:45.000 And it was like, what they did is they basically said like, Every single creator will have its own token and based on how much following and how much people want to donate to that creator, their token has a higher value and price by creator.

01:27:01.000 I thought that was pretty interesting.

01:27:02.000 You'd have to build software where you could spin up your own token really quick.

01:27:05.000 Someone could spin up a utility token.

01:27:07.000 Yeah, it allows like you if you pay in subscriptions to the user, you pay 10 bucks a month.

01:27:11.000 But if you pay with pay them with their own token, you get a discount of their choice, they get to set a discount level that will create utility value for the token.

01:27:19.000 And then it's not a security so the SEC doesn't isn't as concerned about it.

01:27:23.000 Yeah, well, we definitely need to look deeply into the whole crypto world on Rumble and figure out blockchain and figure out what is the best way to approach that.

01:27:38.000 I guess in the early days of it, and I haven't quite seen the perfect solution yet.

01:27:44.000 I don't know if we're going to wait for a perfect solution, but something that's going to provide some really good value to the community.

01:27:49.000 On the Minds token, it's one token gets you a thousand views of basically advertising on the network and on library.

01:27:56.000 You put tokens into a video and then that elevates it in the search algorithm, the more tokens it has.

01:28:01.000 So it's like a passive boosting.

01:28:02.000 If you could blend those somehow or utilize both.

01:28:06.000 I think the big challenge with any platform, no matter what you do, is that you're responsible for the platform.

01:28:13.000 You are allowing people to post stuff, whatever it is.

01:28:16.000 And so, you know, what happens if someone posts an address?

01:28:20.000 Now you might say, oh, section 230, but you're still going to get sued.

01:28:24.000 And so a lot of these companies just don't want to deal with it.

01:28:27.000 And that's why you end up in this position.

01:28:29.000 I think personal identifiable information or something like that violates something.

01:28:34.000 I don't know.

01:28:34.000 I'm not a lawyer, but... I think one of the issues with YouTube, for example, if you are an independent reporter and you confront someone in front of their home, they'll ban you.

01:28:44.000 If you're CNN, you get away with it.

01:28:45.000 Why?

01:28:45.000 Because YouTube is going to be like, CNN, this is your problem.

01:28:48.000 You deal with it.

01:28:48.000 And CNN is probably going to say, sure, we're worth billions of dollars.

01:28:51.000 We don't care either.

01:28:52.000 No one's going to be able to do anything to us.

01:28:54.000 But it's different in that In reality, if you're walking down the street and you're waving a sign, it's public property.

01:29:03.000 So who are you going to sue?

01:29:04.000 The person waving the sign.

01:29:06.000 On social media, they'll sue you anyway. 0.98

01:29:08.000 Section 230, be damned. 0.60

01:29:10.000 So I think this is one of the reasons many of these platforms are going to implement these rules no matter what. 0.95

01:29:14.000 That if you're James O'Keefe and you walk up to the CEO of a company and say, you know, we want to ask you some questions, you're gone.

01:29:20.000 It's why central control of authority seems to always lead to this totalitarian crackdown of its own network.

01:29:27.000 I think that's why you just got to get rid of the control of the network and kind of oversee its construction and survival, but allow it to function on its own.

01:29:35.000 I think maybe... Community policing and stuff.

01:29:37.000 We need to have some kind of... I don't know.

01:29:40.000 I don't know if Twitter or... It's got to be some kind of public utility communications platform because we don't use the City Hall anymore.

01:29:48.000 We don't use Town Hall.

01:29:49.000 We don't have these public commons.

01:29:51.000 It's controlled by interests, people who either, you know, can afford to build the platform, or who do so but don't want to take responsibility for the things put on the platform.

01:30:00.000 In which case, until we can say this is a public, you know, institution, you can't sue anyone for hosting it, but you can sue the person who said it, or did it, or file a complaint against them.

01:30:11.000 That's when I think we actually start fixing these problems, for the time being.

01:30:15.000 YouTube will get... Twitter gets sued when someone does something, you know what I mean?

01:30:19.000 Even with Section 230, they're like, so we don't want to take responsibility and put ourselves at risk for hosting this.

01:30:25.000 So until we... I don't know.

01:30:26.000 I don't know if nationalizing is the answer, but until we have a platform... No, nationalizing is the answer.

01:30:30.000 Absolutely.

01:30:31.000 Having a national platform would be cool in addition to other... Canada tried that with their CBC.

01:30:37.000 But I understand your aversion to nationalization of a platform.

01:30:40.000 But there is a value to having one national program as well.

01:30:43.000 Right.

01:30:43.000 But take a look at a public park.

01:30:45.000 The police can come in and tell you to leave.

01:30:47.000 You can complain about it.

01:30:48.000 They can arrest you.

01:30:49.000 It's annoying.

01:30:49.000 And sometimes people, like, they shouldn't be allowed to do it.

01:30:52.000 But who are you going to sue?

01:30:53.000 The city, I guess?

01:30:54.000 OK, well, that makes sense if the city does something specifically.

01:30:57.000 But if someone is in a park holding up a sign with a picture of, like, a fetus or something, well, you can't do anything about it.

01:31:02.000 People are allowed to express themselves.

01:31:04.000 What's wrong with common carriers?

01:31:08.000 Why isn't that a solution?

01:31:09.000 Then maybe that is a solution.

01:31:10.000 Like Verizon, AT&T, they're deemed to be common carriers.

01:31:15.000 They're monopolies.

01:31:16.000 That's one problem with them.

01:31:17.000 But they are common carriers.

01:31:19.000 They don't stop you from buying the phone, no matter who you are.

01:31:21.000 But they will send your text messages to the NSA without a batting an eye.

01:31:26.000 And a security camera filming the park will send all of the video.

01:31:29.000 And as you're walking down the street, the surveillance state is a problem in of itself, but that could be the solution.

01:31:34.000 I feel like, you know, that's one of the things that we want to make RumbleCloud closest to is make it a common carrier, like close to as common carrier as possible.

01:31:41.000 I think that could be a solution.

01:31:44.000 Yeah.

01:31:44.000 We'll build a parallel system and people will be like, oh, that works better than this old carrier system.

01:31:49.000 This is the internet telephone market blended into one.

01:31:52.000 Instead of them trying to give people phone numbers.

01:31:55.000 Like, that's 20th century tech.

01:31:55.000 What the heck?

01:31:57.000 You don't need a number associated with your phone.

01:31:59.000 Yeah, what if everyone just started, instead of getting phone numbers, you just got, like, app handles?

01:32:02.000 Yeah, or your name, or you.

01:32:03.000 Like, you.

01:32:03.000 Yeah, give me a call, you know, at Timcast, and then they...

01:32:06.000 Like, I don't give out my phone number anymore, it's like, hit me up on Facebook, like, message me on some of these, I'll video chat you on Element.

01:32:12.000 Yeah, I only get phone calls from people who want to talk to me about my car's extended warranty, or who are talking to me in Mandarin for some reason.

01:32:20.000 I had an idea before we go to Super Chats, Chris, regarding if you're headquartered in Florida, and Canada, gets you like, hey, this is illegal in Canada, so we're not gonna show it in Canada, take it down.

01:32:30.000 You tell them what we do at Mines, you tell them, no, it's legal, this is our terms.

01:32:34.000 And if the country wants to ban Rumble from the country, they will.

01:32:37.000 And that's unstoppable.

01:32:38.000 And that'd be hilarious if Canada was like, we're already banned.

01:32:40.000 We're already banned in a few countries from China, I believe.

01:32:43.000 China banned Rumble.

01:32:45.000 Iran, probably.

01:32:47.000 I'm not sure, but definitely China.

01:32:49.000 We got to notice that we got shut off in China.

01:32:52.000 Google built their own Chinese, I don't know, Dragonfly?

01:32:55.000 Is that what it was called?

01:32:56.000 Their own Chinese Google? 0.98

01:32:57.000 Didn't they go and do that when Google didn't want them in the country because they were too free?

01:33:00.000 Yeah, it led to a revolt when Google, when China didn't want them.

01:33:03.000 That's an interesting thing.

01:33:04.000 You cut off the service in the country that doesn't want to play fairly.

01:33:07.000 And once they become like that, then maybe you cut them off.

01:33:10.000 Social media.

01:33:10.000 That's an interesting idea.

01:33:11.000 It's more powerful than countries, social media companies.

01:33:14.000 Like, imagine Google said, hey, we're not going to operate in Canada because you don't operate around the First Amendment.

01:33:21.000 That'd be crazy.

01:33:22.000 That sounds pretty good.

01:33:23.000 I like that idea.

01:33:24.000 Let's go to Super Chat.

01:33:25.000 If you haven't already, get that Super Chat in.

01:33:27.000 We'll be reading as many as we can.

01:33:28.000 Smash the like button.

01:33:29.000 Go to TimCast.com.

01:33:30.000 We're going to have a members-only segment at TimCast.com around 11 p.m.

01:33:30.000 Become a member.

01:33:35.000 Let's read what you guys have to say.

01:33:38.000 Jemis says, please shout out the January 23rd anti-vax mandate protest with Dr. Robert Malone.

01:33:44.000 Do you know the website URL?

01:33:45.000 I don't.

01:33:47.000 What is it?

01:33:47.000 March Against the Mandates.

01:33:49.000 March Against the Mandates DC, right?

01:33:51.000 I don't know.

01:33:51.000 Yeah.

01:33:52.000 Google search March Against the Mandates, and they're doing a big protest in DC.

01:33:56.000 So good for them, man.

01:33:58.000 It is defeatthemandatesdc.com.

01:34:01.000 Oh, nice.

01:34:01.000 I believe that's it.

01:34:02.000 Gerald Armstrong says, how many times do we have to hear Ian say, I co-founded mines?

01:34:06.000 Probably in the next year, probably 37 more times.

01:34:11.000 Well, I think what people need to understand is, Ian hasn't met these people.

01:34:16.000 And so if they're trying to understand the context of what he's saying, and they're like, I met this crazy hippie guy, Ian, why should I listen to him?

01:34:24.000 And then he says, I actually worked on mines.

01:34:26.000 I'm trying to balance when you're on TV every night.

01:34:30.000 Basically, if I told the story a year ago, in my mind, I already told you.

01:34:34.000 Everyone that's listening, you already know.

01:34:35.000 But a lot of times we have new listeners, so you want to reiterate.

01:34:38.000 And sometimes Tim will tell you about Occupy Wall Street, just in case you haven't heard.

01:34:41.000 You know, it's kind of a meme that it can be overdone too.

01:34:43.000 So if I'm overdoing it, I'm sorry, but I'm still going to tell people that I'm the co-founder of Mines.

01:34:49.000 Alright, let's read some more.

01:34:49.000 We got The Meaning of Nerd.

01:34:50.000 He says, Hey Tim, The Meaning of Nerd here.

01:34:52.000 Thanks for checking out my video.

01:34:53.000 I'm really glad you liked it, and thanks for sharing it on Twitter.

01:34:56.000 It helped out a lot.

01:34:57.000 Keep inspiring people the way you have, man.

01:34:59.000 P.S.

01:34:59.000 If you're looking for an editor, I would love to offer my skills.

01:35:03.000 We had a few people ask for jobs, and then it turned out they weren't American, and we can't hire people who aren't American citizens. 0.98

01:35:11.000 Yeah, we just can't do it.

01:35:13.000 Man, if you guys really want to get angry at Google and Facebook, look at how the... You know how the Visa system works, right?

01:35:20.000 Like H1Bs? 1.00

01:35:21.000 Yeah.

01:35:21.000 How the big tech basically just floods the entire system so that they get them all and you can't even bother?

01:35:28.000 That's just the way it works, I guess.

01:35:31.000 Alright, John Hensley says, Love Rumble.

01:35:33.000 Is there any way to get the mobile app to play always on top and minimized or with screen off?

01:35:39.000 Coming.

01:35:40.000 Coming very soon.

01:35:41.000 That's an important one.

01:35:42.000 We get a lot of people saying, like, I want to listen to the show on the website.

01:35:46.000 It depends on Android.

01:35:47.000 That's already happening, I believe.

01:35:49.000 And on iOS, you can have it set.

01:35:53.000 I have to double check, but that should be available in this new launch that we're coming with the with the app on iOS.

01:35:59.000 If you use the Brave browser on mobile, my understanding is that it can play audio from the browser it runs off.

01:36:05.000 That's really fantastic.

01:36:07.000 I love the Brave app.

01:36:08.000 They're doing a lot of great things.

01:36:09.000 Those guys are great.

01:36:10.000 Are you guys integrating with them at all?

01:36:12.000 Have you had a chance to chat with them?

01:36:14.000 We haven't chatted with them, but we've been looking at it as well.

01:36:17.000 Is there any other cross-collaboration with any other kind of alternative, independent kind of platforms?

01:36:24.000 Or in the works, or possibly that you might be even interested in?

01:36:27.000 No, I'm interested in collaborating with anyone, for sure.

01:36:31.000 I think there's a lot of great ideas out there that we need to look at.

01:36:34.000 Any specific companies?

01:36:37.000 I like Brave.

01:36:39.000 Brave has been very interesting in terms of how they've been doing their crypto and the BAT, the BAT.

01:36:45.000 I did look very closely at that.

01:36:47.000 We're actually looking very closely at that right now.

01:36:49.000 Gap spun off the Dissenter browser, off of the Brave browser.

01:36:52.000 That's pretty cool looking.

01:36:53.000 Did you guys hear Quebec is doing a vax tax?

01:36:56.000 Yeah.

01:36:56.000 Unvaxed tax.

01:36:58.000 A tax for the unvaxed instead of mandating it.

01:37:00.000 That's crazy.

01:37:01.000 That's insane.

01:37:01.000 I have friends in Quebec that I'm praying that they're going to be okay because they're talking about hefty fines for individuals who just want bodily autonomy.

01:37:11.000 That's a new level of tyranny that the world hasn't seen yet.

01:37:14.000 It's like evidenced bodily autonomy at this point.

01:37:17.000 There's a lot of evidence that the vaccines don't stop the virus, that it doesn't even stop the spread of the virus.

01:37:22.000 It might reduce symptoms.

01:37:23.000 So, like, there's reason to this.

01:37:25.000 It's not just, don't get away from me for no reason.

01:37:28.000 Like, there's a lot of data.

01:37:30.000 Nick Rose says, Tim, do a Fauci impression if he actually were a guest on IRL.

01:37:35.000 After you ask him a question, what his response would be.

01:37:38.000 That's a job for Seamus.

01:37:39.000 If Seamus of Freedom Tunes wants to write that up, that could be, you know, fairly funny, I suppose.

01:37:45.000 Dr. Fauci on IRL.

01:37:48.000 Tough interview.

01:37:50.000 All right.

01:37:50.000 Nate Parrott says, My work plays for news in break room.

01:37:53.000 I walked past and the screen was black with white scrolling text that stated the channel was showing restricted content.

01:37:58.000 Weird.

01:37:58.000 Oh my.

01:37:59.000 Strange.

01:38:00.000 What is that about?

01:38:03.000 All right.

01:38:03.000 Where we go?

01:38:05.000 Anzu Love says, Watch Rogan's show with Adam Curry.

01:38:08.000 He clears up Malone's explanation of mass psychosis.

01:38:13.000 I love that guy.

01:38:15.000 Adam Curry, man.

01:38:15.000 I love that guy.

01:38:17.000 OMG Puppy says, watch Century of the Self by Adam Curtis.

01:38:22.000 Curtis?

01:38:24.000 Same person, right?

01:38:25.000 Great documentary about social engineering from Freud to neuro-linguistic programming used by Bill Clinton to campaign.

01:38:30.000 What's the documentary called?

01:38:32.000 Century of the Self.

01:38:35.000 Here's an important one.

01:38:36.000 Daryl90210 says, ask about the success of Salty Cracker, pulling viewers away from YouTube, please.

01:38:44.000 Interesting.

01:38:45.000 Yeah.

01:38:45.000 So, uh, I, like, I think, uh, what a lot of salty cracker character.

01:38:51.000 So they, they have channels on YouTube, I believe.

01:38:54.000 And, uh, what they do is they shut off the stream after 30 minutes and ask them or I'm not sure the timing.

01:39:00.000 I don't want to say that cause I don't know.

01:39:02.000 But, uh, yeah, they, they, they use rumble and, uh, they're quite big.

01:39:09.000 Yeah, they get tens of thousands of viewers, I think.

01:39:11.000 Is that what it is?

01:39:12.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 Wow.

01:39:14.000 There's a bunch of them.

01:39:15.000 Crowder does a significant amount.

01:39:18.000 What does Crowder get when he streams on Rumble?

01:39:21.000 In December, he was hitting 50,000.

01:39:23.000 Wow.

01:39:24.000 I think he just came back today.

01:39:26.000 I didn't take a look, but he's back on YouTube today.

01:39:29.000 I'd like to do a live stream on Rumble at some point.

01:39:31.000 It's all set up to do that?

01:39:32.000 Yeah, you bet.

01:39:34.000 That'd be fun.

01:39:34.000 Well, I suppose people have to just take a look at Salty Cracker's content on Rumble and YouTube to better figure out because, you know, to get a better assessment of what the channel's about and why they're so successful.

01:39:48.000 I do notice that people post the salt emojis all the time, so I'm not completely unaware.

01:39:55.000 Wifi says I don't buy for a second that social media censors in order to not scare advertisers.

01:40:00.000 Where else are they going to advertise?

01:40:01.000 Advertising isn't pulling out of spaces with that large of an audience.

01:40:04.000 I completely agree with that.

01:40:07.000 Absolutely.

01:40:07.000 And also if you're advertising with Google or YouTube as an advertiser, you have the right to say, I don't want to advertise with this content creator.

01:40:16.000 You could easily do that through the back, through the back door.

01:40:18.000 You could easily do that through, of course, just clicking.

01:40:21.000 Hey, I don't like this, this, this idea.

01:40:22.000 I don't want it associated with this and this and this.

01:40:25.000 You could easily do that.

01:40:26.000 You don't need to censor people's voices.

01:40:28.000 Chris, Bill Altman texted me and was like, ask Chris a question.

01:40:31.000 So I'm going to ask you.

01:40:32.000 Hey, he's cheating.

01:40:33.000 Why do you use Google Analytics, which spies on all users for Google?

01:40:39.000 It's a good question.

01:40:39.000 We got to get rid of it.

01:40:41.000 We went through that with Mines in the early days.

01:40:43.000 It was just so easy to use.

01:40:44.000 It's what we used when we started in 2013.

01:40:46.000 And we just, you know, these are legacy things from when we started in 13 that we definitely need to move.

01:40:53.000 What's your roadmap to move away from that?

01:40:56.000 Well, we want to dump that.

01:40:57.000 That's for sure.

01:40:58.000 And, uh, there's a few other solutions out there and open to recommendations.

01:41:02.000 If anybody wants to super chat some ideas, we're, we're open to ideas on that front.

01:41:08.000 All right.

01:41:08.000 Captain says, what is the policy on gun videos on rumble?

01:41:11.000 YouTube has been demonetizing gun videos that have high capacity magazines and more.

01:41:15.000 It is stifling gun culture that was created on that platform. There's no policy around that

01:41:20.000 It's nothing in our terms about guns So if I bought like a hand crank nine millimeter gatling

01:41:26.000 artillery thing that Luke's trying to get me to buy we could put on rumble

01:41:28.000 There's no issue Uh, I I'm not too familiar with what that is. But uh, if i'm

01:41:35.000 not entirely either be honest Luke sends me this thing, he's like, hey Tim, buy this.

01:41:39.000 It's a weapon that goes pew pew pew pew pew pew.

01:41:42.000 That's what it is.

01:41:43.000 Hand-cranked 9mm Gatling gun.

01:41:45.000 There's quite a few channels with respect to hunting and guns and stuff like that on Rumble.

01:41:51.000 No issues.

01:41:53.000 Another person asked a similar question.

01:41:55.000 Restless Medic says, I'm a native Floridian and my fiance is Canadian.

01:41:59.000 I'd much rather live up there with him because, like Tim said, I can put on more clothes if I'm cold.

01:42:03.000 I can only take so many off before it becomes a felony.

01:42:06.000 Yeah, but how much communism can you deal with?

01:42:08.000 That's the larger question, right?

01:42:10.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:42:11.000 I would take a permanent 100 degree day at maximum humidity and freedom over communist snow. 0.64

01:42:19.000 Well, you can't even leave your house right now in Canada.

01:42:23.000 That's nuts.

01:42:24.000 Everything's shut down.

01:42:25.000 You can't go to a restaurant.

01:42:27.000 You're stuck at home.

01:42:28.000 That's house arrest.

01:42:30.000 Are you staying in the States for a while?

01:42:32.000 Well, I'm here right now.

01:42:33.000 I'm heading to Florida tomorrow, so I'm excited.

01:42:37.000 Freedom is a great thing.

01:42:38.000 Like I said earlier, when the plane got off the ground in Canada, it was a good feeling.

01:42:44.000 The real Fallen Demon says I'm a very heavy Minds user, and it's great, but Ian, mate, the UI is bad.

01:42:51.000 I'd build my own client, but there's no real API for it.

01:42:53.000 If you could give devs more than just source, we could make it amazing.

01:42:58.000 Well, man, I haven't worked at the company in a while.

01:43:02.000 Well, Bill's listening, apparently.

01:43:03.000 Sup, Bill?

01:43:05.000 I love you.

01:43:07.000 I don't know.

01:43:08.000 So you're looking for an easy way to spin up the system because you don't have the API.

01:43:11.000 Is that what he said?

01:43:12.000 He doesn't have the API.

01:43:12.000 Well, he wants to make his own UI.

01:43:13.000 I would love to watch you do that.

01:43:14.000 I hear that a lot from people that the mind's UI is just bad.

01:43:17.000 It's just a bunch of backend code.

01:43:19.000 Well, the UI, it kind of looks like it's very clean and sterile almost.

01:43:25.000 It's like a robot.

01:43:26.000 Everything is straight lines and kind of boxes of information.

01:43:29.000 That's not bad.

01:43:30.000 It's just, there's so much going on.

01:43:31.000 There's a lot going on.

01:43:32.000 It's tough.

01:43:32.000 So you got to know where to click.

01:43:33.000 UI is really hard.

01:43:34.000 Like we, we have issues with our UI too.

01:43:37.000 We get a lot of complaints about that.

01:43:38.000 And you know, when you're, when you're a bootstrapped company, we didn't get investment until 2021.

01:43:43.000 That was like the first time I remember people laughing us out of the room in 2013 to say that we're going to compete against YouTube.

01:43:51.000 I'm sure they want to be in now, but that's a different story.

01:43:54.000 But when it came to UI, we really couldn't really forward that and get really deep into that until we could afford people that are really good and they're very expensive.

01:44:06.000 And we have that and now we're coming up with it.

01:44:09.000 But I understand that.

01:44:12.000 It's expensive.

01:44:13.000 There's a lot of people, really good talent that a lot of the big companies suck up.

01:44:18.000 And, uh, it's a, it's a tough thing to, to, to really get good.

01:44:22.000 And it's also like an artistic choice, how you want to design your UI.

01:44:22.000 Yeah.

01:44:26.000 That too.

01:44:26.000 Like, you know, you've got sites like, you know, Drudge and Reddit that don't, didn't really go into that direction of UI.

01:44:32.000 And then you got, you know, nicer things like, uh, Instagram that came up with all these flat designs and cool designs, which people now desire quite a bit and TikTok and all that.

01:44:42.000 So.

01:44:42.000 You know, we're putting a lot of money into that and it's not cheap.

01:44:44.000 It'd be cool if you could design your own UI on the website while you use it as a user.

01:44:49.000 Stretch things open and move things.

01:44:52.000 What if you could log in and then while you're editing your profile put in like HTML code, even like MP3s or music.

01:44:59.000 Maybe have like glitter and like Hulk Hogan gifs.

01:45:02.000 Like a space where you could do that.

01:45:04.000 Like your own space.

01:45:05.000 Your space.

01:45:05.000 What would you call it?

01:45:06.000 Your space.

01:45:10.000 Moogle Minion says, Ian, have you read into exo-politics?

01:45:13.000 If so, do you have any book recommendations?

01:45:14.000 No, I have not.

01:45:16.000 Well, maybe you should, Ian.

01:45:17.000 I think I might.

01:45:18.000 DE Poland says, Tim, being in Florida for one year makes you a snowbird tourist.

01:45:23.000 And we do go outside.

01:45:24.000 We also have springs with pure water.

01:45:26.000 Miami is southern New York.

01:45:29.000 So I lived in Miami for a year, just over a year, and in January and February, I saw people all over the place.

01:45:34.000 Throughout the year, everybody was at Miami Beach.

01:45:36.000 I saw them outside and all over the place.

01:45:38.000 But through all these neighborhoods and at, like, you know, shopping centers, In the summer, everybody was indoors and the windows were soaking wet because the air conditioning inside, the humidity outside, it would condense and then it was just all the windows were always drenched.

01:45:55.000 And I'm pretty sure there's a statue of the guy who invented air conditioning in Miami.

01:45:59.000 Is that true?

01:46:00.000 I'm not sure, but probably.

01:46:01.000 The guy who invented air conditioning gets a statue?

01:46:04.000 Hey man, good for him.

01:46:09.000 I looked up what exo-politics is, the study of key individuals, political institutions, and processes associated with extraterrestrial life.

01:46:16.000 Interesting.

01:46:17.000 That's a real thing.

01:46:19.000 Hodl Rodeo says Bitcoin Magazine's livestream on YouTube was stopped and the channel was removed today.

01:46:24.000 The channel was later restored.

01:46:26.000 That is crazy.

01:46:28.000 The way that an admin's mistake can disrupt a user's life, like their income, because the day your video goes up is when you get most of the views. 0.99

01:46:38.000 If it's demonetized for that day because of some idiot doing the wrong thing, it's just devastating to that. 0.95

01:46:43.000 I gotta deal with this all the time. 0.99

01:46:45.000 And it's not even that's the automated system now.

01:46:47.000 So it used to be that every video I'd make would be demonetized, and then they finally backed off and fixed this problem, but now you still get it, and what happens is, I did like a video on Fauci and they said it was harmful pranks, and then I've got to email Google, and then, you know, three days later they get back to me and say, sorry about that, and I'm like, the video made no money.

01:47:05.000 Three days later, I might as well not even bother emailing you.

01:47:08.000 But the issue is the more videos get demonetized, the more they demonetize you.

01:47:11.000 So you've got to send them all in and say, fix it.

01:47:14.000 If they had to pay you back for all the ads revenue you would have made?

01:47:18.000 If a company had to pay back for misadministrative ship?

01:47:22.000 Man, but they're not making money.

01:47:23.000 That's the problem.

01:47:24.000 Like, YouTube wants to make money.

01:47:26.000 They also have political issues, for sure.

01:47:28.000 But they want to make money, so they don't like it when, you know, when I get demonetized.

01:47:32.000 They were like, oh, we're so sorry this keeps happening to you.

01:47:34.000 It's the automated system.

01:47:36.000 And it's like, yeah, and it takes three days to get it fixed, even when I can email Google.

01:47:40.000 So that's on them, I suppose.

01:47:41.000 They lose money.

01:47:43.000 That's why I think, you know, Rumble is good.

01:47:43.000 Whatever.

01:47:46.000 That's why we've set up the website.

01:47:48.000 That's why we're focusing on the editorial side of things.

01:47:51.000 We can't just think, you know, we're going to be on this platform forever.

01:47:54.000 YouTube... Look, it's 2022.

01:47:58.000 We've been swatted.

01:48:00.000 We've been hit with a DDoS attack.

01:48:01.000 Good times.

01:48:02.000 And it's only the 11th of January!

01:48:05.000 It's been a good month.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, how about that, man?

01:48:08.000 So we've got a bunch of crazy redundancies and backup systems and everything like that, security, so... But it's just, you know, this is why we got swatted.

01:48:15.000 All people notice is a cop walk by and then walk out.

01:48:18.000 Because we do have layers of security here.

01:48:21.000 Absolutely.

01:48:21.000 I agree.

01:48:22.000 James Lamb says, I personally think it's great for overt communists to voice their opinions

01:48:27.000 shows everyone how bad communism really is.

01:48:29.000 I agree.

01:48:30.000 Yes.

01:48:31.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:48:32.000 I saw Kim Iverson tweeted.

01:48:35.000 She's like a center left YouTuber that she's voting straight Republican. 1.00

01:48:38.000 Love her.

01:48:39.000 And then I saw Vosh respond to a tweet about it saying this is totally, you know, unexpected

01:48:44.000 and shocking or whatever.

01:48:46.000 And I'm just kind of like, when the center left is jumping ship to join Republicans and you mock them on the way out, are you just trying to lose on purpose?

01:48:55.000 You know, I guess?

01:48:57.000 But Kim's cool.

01:48:59.000 I'm not surprised she's voting Republican because so many people are like, I'm done with the mandates.

01:49:02.000 She got red-pilled hard the last couple years.

01:49:04.000 That was awesome.

01:49:05.000 Well, it's not that.

01:49:06.000 It's the mandates.

01:49:07.000 I mean, but yeah, that past couple years, all of a sudden she's like, I'll vote for anybody who's going to end this.

01:49:12.000 Yeah, we're having a vaccine.

01:49:13.000 Yeah.

01:49:13.000 Oh, good.

01:49:14.000 I don't disagree.

01:49:15.000 She's great.

01:49:16.000 We need to, you know, build a cloning machine and bring a bunch of more DeSantis's all over the country so that we can end this stuff. 0.97

01:49:22.000 I don't, I don't think Texas, Texas does an okay job, but it seems like that's mostly about, you know, culture, cultural pressure.

01:49:28.000 DeSantis seems to be on top of things, to be honest, you know?

01:49:33.000 All right.

01:49:35.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:49:36.000 says, we're a based audience.

01:49:37.000 We see into the future.

01:49:39.000 Wow.

01:49:40.000 I believe it.

01:49:42.000 All right.

01:49:44.000 The Wholesome Grail says, how is it a free speech platform if they ban racist or hateful speech?

01:49:49.000 Isn't racist speech still legal even if you don't like it?

01:49:52.000 Not good if the free speech guy already has racism banned.

01:49:56.000 Like I said, that's something that we put in since 2013.

01:50:01.000 We've always done that.

01:50:03.000 We haven't moved the goalposts.

01:50:05.000 We've stayed with the same moderation since day one.

01:50:08.000 And we need to be better.

01:50:09.000 And we need to be really transparent with these terms.

01:50:13.000 And we need to do something different than these other platforms did.

01:50:16.000 This is not something I predicted to happen.

01:50:19.000 Um, in this world, this is something that, you know, things happen really fast in the last two years where they started banning all kinds of political talk, et cetera.

01:50:28.000 Um, but we gotta, we, we, we gotta come up with something that's new and something that's stronger and it's better and more resilient and more and more in line with free speech.

01:50:35.000 And that's what we're going to do.

01:50:37.000 Yeah.

01:50:38.000 Like, um, Trying to administrate gross stuff like gore or racism.

01:50:45.000 It's tough because in a free speech world, it would all be there and anyone that wants to look for it's going to find it because they have the right granular search mechanisms.

01:50:53.000 But in the social media world right now, it's like waking up in the morning and it's there in front of your face and you're like, ah!

01:50:58.000 And everywhere you look, there's just more gore.

01:51:00.000 So unless an admin's there deleting it or blocking it, even though it's not illegal, People are going to be deformed by it.

01:51:09.000 It's, it's, it's a new thing, huh?

01:51:11.000 We humans didn't used to deal with this until 15 years ago.

01:51:14.000 It's really like one of the most complicated issues of our time right now is, is really kind of understanding this and navigating this and, and the way that we're trying to do.

01:51:25.000 And I think like our approach and why we've grown is just being consistent and not changing things in the last couple of years.

01:51:32.000 I think one of the ways of dealing with this is just by letting people see what they subscribed to and not curating an algorithm.

01:51:39.000 Would that be something that you guys be open to?

01:51:40.000 That's what we're doing.

01:51:41.000 We're a chronological feed.

01:51:43.000 We don't have an algorithm that's putting things up based on how interesting your content or how many likes it gets or how many re-engagements it gets.

01:51:52.000 It's a chronological feed.

01:51:53.000 That's all it is.

01:51:54.000 And you guys will be changing your terms and services?

01:51:56.000 Yeah, so we're gonna bring on guys like Viva Frey and Robert Barnes, like I said, and we're gonna work on coming up with like, whether it's like a constitution or terms, all kind of combined, something very new, something kind of built from the community more than I would love to be a part of that process.

01:52:17.000 Absolutely.

01:52:19.000 We'll bring you in on that.

01:52:21.000 This is something we really need to solve for.

01:52:25.000 Like I said, we haven't solved for it.

01:52:26.000 We didn't even think we needed to solve it.

01:52:28.000 Who thought we were going to sit here and worry about the First Amendment in 2022?

01:52:32.000 There's that problem of being the guy who's like, we should allow people to be racist on our platform.

01:52:39.000 Nobody wants that.

01:52:40.000 That's not why Rumble's growing.

01:52:41.000 We don't allow that.

01:52:42.000 There's not even a percent of that that doesn't exist on our platform.

01:52:45.000 So the challenge is, you know, when Oliver Darcy, of all people, wrote an article about me when I said banning the alt-right was bad because it's a slippery slope, you want bad ideas to be fleshed out so we can challenge them.

01:52:59.000 But to be the person who then comes out and says, reinstate all of the racists and bring them all back on is a step further now, and people don't want to do it.

01:53:08.000 In my opinion, though, as much as I think a lot of people have a lot of really bad opinions, we just need a space where people of all different backgrounds and ideas, no matter how awful or how good they might be, they can have those debates.

01:53:19.000 I think, you know, I really believe it's good to know who's bad and not hide them.

01:53:26.000 When you hide people that are bad, that makes them better.

01:53:30.000 That doesn't help them.

01:53:31.000 I mean, that helps them.

01:53:32.000 It doesn't help us.

01:53:36.000 We should know everything about everybody if they are willing to scream it out loud at the end of the day.

01:53:41.000 That's how I feel personally about it.

01:53:43.000 When you guys are doing your terms revamp, check out the Manila Principles.

01:53:47.000 I don't know if you've heard of them, but it's basically an internet constitution that's been worked on by the community.

01:53:52.000 It's very cool.

01:53:53.000 You know what Mines does with the jury system? 0.72

01:53:56.000 I've heard.

01:53:57.000 It's cool.

01:53:58.000 I don't know about mines, but I've heard some jury systems.

01:54:01.000 Yeah.

01:54:01.000 So what will happen is if a piece of content gets reported by someone, it goes into a queue, which is then sent to anyone that wants to opt into this jury system on mines.

01:54:09.000 And then it goes out to like 12 random jurors that then vote on, does this violate terms or does it not violate terms?

01:54:16.000 But you get poisoned by bias in the jury.

01:54:17.000 Yeah.

01:54:18.000 And then some people will say, I like this content, but they're not doing it right because they're not saying, does it violate the terms or does it not violate the terms?

01:54:26.000 So there's noise, but over time you can appeal.

01:54:28.000 Does it go through a Minds filter first?

01:54:30.000 Like Minds thinks it's bad and Minds doesn't even touch it?

01:54:33.000 Just a user reports it and it goes into this queue that people want to be a part of anyway, so it's not bothering anyone.

01:54:38.000 And then they, we just, over time, if someone abuses their position in the queue as a juror, they're no longer able to be a juror.

01:54:43.000 That's a really interesting idea.

01:54:45.000 Maybe even having it go, like if, if let's say a Rumble moderator wants to remove something, if something's going to get removed or someone's going to get banned, Take it to a jury.

01:54:54.000 For the final outcome.

01:54:55.000 Except for if it's illegal.

01:54:57.000 That's a really interesting idea.

01:54:58.000 If it's illegal, you gotta get it out of there immediately.

01:55:00.000 Well, if it's illegal, absolutely.

01:55:01.000 Or put it into some sort of stasis or something.

01:55:04.000 Depends.

01:55:05.000 But also, I think that one of the issues with mine is that the jury pool needs to be way bigger than 12.

01:55:08.000 I think so too.

01:55:09.000 I'd like to see it with 100 people.

01:55:11.000 That's a really good idea.

01:55:12.000 A thousand.

01:55:12.000 I mean, mine would be scalers, whatever, whoever's available.

01:55:15.000 That's right.

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:16.000 That's a really good idea.

01:55:17.000 I really liked that.

01:55:18.000 In fact, you can even have like a tab that says jury pool and.

01:55:22.000 You know, you can opt in and then get like a blurred thing and says like, okay, click

01:55:26.000 it to show the image because people, people have to have to opt in, have to go to the

01:55:31.000 space.

01:55:32.000 Maybe even you have it at the bottom because they're going to see some really awful stuff.

01:55:35.000 Maybe some really bad stuff.

01:55:37.000 Yeah, well, you what you want to do is you want to you want to kind of filter out the illegal stuff and the overt stuff and then when it comes to the controversial and very vague stuff.

01:55:46.000 Then you take it to a jury.

01:55:48.000 That way the vague stuff is determined by the community, not determined by any overlord.

01:55:52.000 That's like the Arbiter of Truth.

01:55:54.000 If they get it wrong, the user can appeal again.

01:55:56.000 It goes to a new jury of all fresh people.

01:55:58.000 If they get it wrong, the juror can appeal again a third time.

01:56:01.000 If they get it wrong again, then they can go to the admin.

01:56:03.000 Then they can go to the mine's admins and appeal.

01:56:06.000 And so do a lot of people appeal it?

01:56:09.000 Yeah, a lot of people think they've been wronged regardless, and they'll usually appeal it.

01:56:12.000 But it's fun for the jurors, so it seems to be working really well.

01:56:15.000 Yeah.

01:56:16.000 I think as long as you have good protections for like how you opt into the jury, because people are going to see some really nasty stuff.

01:56:21.000 Yeah.

01:56:21.000 18 plus.

01:56:22.000 Yeah.

01:56:24.000 And then, and then maybe the jury should actually have like an emergency hit. 0.97

01:56:27.000 It's going to be like, this is going to be, so it's like, this is violate the rules.

01:56:29.000 Yes.

01:56:29.000 It's gone.

01:56:30.000 No, it doesn't.

01:56:30.000 And are you wearing a seatbelt?

01:56:32.000 We're solving the internet.

01:56:33.000 Emergency admin notification.

01:56:35.000 Cause if someone posts like a crime or like a murder or something, you need to be able to immediately be like, yo, this is beyond this is like warning violates and is illegal.

01:56:43.000 Could be a thing.

01:56:44.000 Perfect.

01:56:45.000 Yeah.

01:56:46.000 But I think, I wonder if like, it shouldn't even be, it doesn't violate the rules, should it be, should this be allowed on the platform?

01:56:53.000 That's another question.

01:56:53.000 This one's more, it's more like, does it define the terms or is it against the terms?

01:56:58.000 But should it be?

01:56:58.000 That's another cool idea.

01:57:00.000 I think we could experiment with a platform where it's like, people just decide, should it be allowed or not?

01:57:04.000 And so someone could see something, they'll flag it, and then they'll be like, should it be allowed?

01:57:07.000 And then 100 people see it.

01:57:08.000 And if the majority say it's allowed, it's allowed.

01:57:10.000 And then have the AI write an algorithmic terms of service based on the behavior of the... I don't know about that.

01:57:16.000 800 rules.

01:57:16.000 It'd be a free software.

01:57:18.000 If a cat sneezes, you're banned for seven days.

01:57:21.000 And then the AI takes over the world and then dominates all of human civilization because it's a lot smarter than everyone else, which of course could be the next nuclear weapon, but that's another story.

01:57:28.000 I just wish we had a platform that allowed all speech and allowed me as an individual to be responsible for myself and have discernment.

01:57:35.000 I would love that.

01:57:36.000 It's the problem is, is, is admit is like organism is order within.

01:57:40.000 Cause that creates, there's so much chaos that then the loudest.

01:57:43.000 If I want to subscribe to something, I'm going to subscribe to it.

01:57:46.000 I don't have to, I don't have to subscribe to something that I don't want to listen to.

01:57:49.000 But when screamy guy gets in the way and you can't even see, I'm not going to subscribe to him, but he's in the way of you.

01:57:54.000 No, he's not.

01:57:55.000 I subscribe to who, who I want to subscribe to.

01:57:57.000 He's not going to be in my way because I'm not going to follow him because I don't want the screaming guy in my, in my inbox.

01:58:01.000 What about the comments?

01:58:03.000 I don't.

01:58:03.000 Free speech.

01:58:04.000 Let them comment whatever they want.

01:58:06.000 Like, I don't censor comments.

01:58:07.000 People criticize me.

01:58:08.000 Good.

01:58:09.000 Great.

01:58:09.000 I love it.

01:58:10.000 Spam.

01:58:10.000 You know, we need comments.

01:58:12.000 We need people.

01:58:12.000 Spam.

01:58:13.000 Spam.

01:58:14.000 It's online.

01:58:15.000 Fine.

01:58:16.000 Let them.

01:58:17.000 Let people spam.

01:58:18.000 No.

01:58:18.000 I'd be down to let you delete it.

01:58:19.000 Trolling and spamming.

01:58:22.000 There's a big difference between trolling and spamming.

01:58:25.000 Trolling's fine.

01:58:26.000 Spam's like a DDoS attack.

01:58:28.000 When people are speaking at a college and then someone goes in and starts screaming at the top of their lungs, I'm like, you can leave.

01:58:36.000 It's a comment section, right?

01:58:37.000 So people get to upvote whatever comments they like and they don't like.

01:58:40.000 So the chat we have, the one rule I say, I'm like, I don't care if you're saying whatever you want to say, like, I don't know, YouTube will ban you if you say something, whatever.

01:58:47.000 But the spam is the problem because you're stopping other people from from saying what they want to say

01:58:51.000 So I'm like I want more free speech if you're gonna try and disrupt that free speech

01:58:56.000 Then I think we can ask you to leave. Yeah, I would respect I

01:59:00.000 would respectfully kind of Disagree and let it play out and have a little bit more

01:59:04.000 chaos and kind of accept that and understand I think spam, spam is an issue for sure that needs to be addressed.

01:59:10.000 But in terms of like, I think the creator should be responsible for the, the, the, their comments and choose what they want there and what they don't want there.

01:59:18.000 That would be the best.

01:59:20.000 I think.

01:59:21.000 Yeah, that's true too.

01:59:22.000 Every creator, every, every creator, you know, controls their own space and their own home.

01:59:26.000 It's not my home.

01:59:27.000 It's your home.

01:59:27.000 Exactly.

01:59:30.000 We got a whole bunch of super chats with salt emojis.

01:59:33.000 The salty, the salty.

01:59:35.000 We should get him on the show.

01:59:37.000 Cause I'm seeing a lot of it.

01:59:39.000 I'm seeing a lot of salt in the chat.

01:59:41.000 Yeah.

01:59:42.000 He's really big on rumble.

01:59:43.000 He's a, he's got a big stream on rumble.

01:59:46.000 Not the biggest, but he's a, he's definitely a big one.

01:59:50.000 Right on.

01:59:50.000 Who are the biggest users on rumble right now?

01:59:53.000 Dan Bongino.

01:59:54.000 Is by far the biggest.

01:59:56.000 He crushes it.

01:59:58.000 Crowder not there yet.

02:00:00.000 The biggest live streamer we have on Rumble is Donald Trump.

02:00:06.000 Did he scrap his network?

02:00:07.000 500,000 live streamers he can hit on his rallies.

02:00:12.000 Wow.

02:00:12.000 And that's post-election.

02:00:14.000 But is that Trump's account?

02:00:16.000 Yeah, that's on Donald Trump's official account on Rumble.

02:00:19.000 So they were building a social network.

02:00:20.000 Are they just hosting their back end on Rumble?

02:00:23.000 Is that what that is or is this a different thing?

02:00:24.000 Yeah, it will be their cloud infrastructure for Truth Social.

02:00:27.000 Cool, but this is something different that he's using right now.

02:00:29.000 He's got his so he came on to rumble in June I guess so six months ago.

02:00:34.000 He opened his official account on rumble to do his rallies and he hits numbers that will just I've never seen like I And nobody's even close.

02:00:48.000 The power of his live streams, hitting half a million on Rumble, and he's not promoting it on Twitter or anything anymore because he doesn't have any accounts.

02:00:56.000 So people come, they watch, and this is post-election too.

02:01:00.000 I can't even imagine...

02:01:02.000 I don't think we would have been able to handle his live stream infrastructurally if it was pre-election times.

02:01:09.000 We almost went down on his first stream.

02:01:11.000 We went to like 100% capacity and we were ready to shut off countries one by one just to keep the stream up in the United States.

02:01:19.000 That's how big it was.

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02:01:45.000 Chris, you want to shout anything out?

02:01:47.000 You can follow me on Rumble, Chris Rumble.

02:01:49.000 I'm also on Twitter, Chris at Rumble, at Chris Pavlovsky on Twitter, I should say.

02:01:54.000 And then the Rumble account as well, I think it's RumbleVideo, at RumbleVideo on Twitter.

02:01:59.000 Chris, thank you so much for coming.

02:02:01.000 Thank you for answering our questions and taking the questions.

02:02:05.000 I know a lot of other big tech CEOs don't do that, so I appreciate you for doing that.

02:02:12.000 It's good to at least have this dialogue.

02:02:13.000 Anyway, I have my own media organization called WeAreChanged.

02:02:17.000 It's available on wearechanged.org.

02:02:19.000 I also made a very interesting video on lukeuncensored.com.

02:02:22.000 Hope to see some of you guys there.

02:02:25.000 Thank you so much for having me.

02:02:26.000 Well, you're welcome.

02:02:27.000 You looked right at me when you said that I liked that.

02:02:29.000 Bye, everyone.

02:02:29.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

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02:02:31.000 Chris, great to see you, man.

02:02:33.000 Tim, I love you.

02:02:34.000 Hi, Lydia.

02:02:35.000 Hi.

02:02:35.000 I'm still live in the corner despite my coughing fit.

02:02:38.000 Very sorry about that.

02:02:38.000 I hope I don't have Omicron.

02:02:40.000 You guys may follow me on Twitter at sarahpatchlids.

02:02:44.000 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:02:45.000 We will see you over at timcast.com in that members-only segment at 11 or so p.m.

02:02:51.000 And again, thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 12, 2022

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