Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Ben Shapiro Tells Candace Owens TO QUIT Daily Wire, Owens Responds w-Dinesh D'Souza

00:00:00.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show.

00:00:06.000 We're coming to you live from the Heritage Foundation HQ, hanging out after the premiere of Police State, a Dinesh D'Souza film.

00:00:12.000 It was, uh, it looked pretty amazing, the event and everything that's going on, so we'll be talking about that.

00:00:16.000 But the big news right now is, uh, it's fairly cultural, but it has to do, of course, with Israel-Palestine.

00:00:21.000 Ben Shapiro has just publicly told Candace Owens to quit the Daily Wire if she has a problem with taking money from them.

00:00:29.000 And this is, uh, well, it's resulted in them being, I guess, the biggest trend on Twitter right now.

00:00:34.000 And it's going to get interesting because Mike Cernovich calls this constructive termination, which is a legal term, and there's some talk about what this could lead to.

00:00:46.000 There is a new episode of Tucker Carlson where Candace Owens has responded to Ben Shapiro's criticism of her, where Ben said she was being disgraceful over her position related to Israel and Palestine.

00:00:53.000 So we're going to talk a lot about that.

00:00:55.000 Plus, we've got news out of Atlanta relating to Antifa, setting fire to a bunch of construction vehicles, 61 state racketeering charges, but that's the key there, state charges, and we're going to talk about what's going on in this country with the police state because, surprise, surprise, these are not federal charges.

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00:02:17.000 We got a couple of really great guests joining us.

00:02:19.000 We have Dinesh D'Souza and Julie Kelly.

00:02:21.000 Dinesh, do you want to introduce yourself?

00:02:23.000 Sure, I'm a writer, I'm a filmmaker, and of course the latest film, Police State, the website is PoliceStateFilm.net.

00:02:32.000 The film was in theaters, rave reviews, but now it's in streaming, it's also in DVD.

00:02:38.000 You won't get it at Walmart or Amazon because they're not letting us sell it there, but you can go to PoliceStateFilm.net and load up for Christmas.

00:02:46.000 Right on.

00:02:46.000 Julie Kelly, would you like to introduce yourself?

00:02:48.000 Hi, I'm Julie Kelly, fellow Chicagoan.

00:02:50.000 Tim Pool, even though he thinks I don't.

00:02:52.000 I could hear it in your voice.

00:02:54.000 Even though he says I don't call him because I'm from Naperville, and he did.

00:02:58.000 That's true.

00:02:58.000 I yelled at her.

00:02:59.000 I screamed.

00:02:59.000 I said, ah!

00:03:00.000 Wait, where are you from?

00:03:01.000 Originally, I am actually from the same neighborhood as Tim, but we moved out of the city.

00:03:05.000 I'm mostly from the suburbs.

00:03:06.000 I'm giving you a hard time.

00:03:07.000 You want me to dox myself right now?

00:03:08.000 Want me to tell the whole world?

00:03:09.000 I'm going to give them my address?

00:03:11.000 Want me to put it all on a silver platter for Antifa right now?

00:03:13.000 Can I guess?

00:03:13.000 Absolutely not.

00:03:14.000 No, because that's just as bad.

00:03:16.000 Midway.

00:03:17.000 Okay.

00:03:19.000 I know the neighborhood.

00:03:20.000 That's not a suburb.

00:03:21.000 Julie Kelly, declassified at Julie Kelly on Substack.

00:03:24.000 Also real clear investigations.

00:03:29.000 Yeah, you gotta get up right into that microphone.

00:03:31.000 Sorry.

00:03:33.000 Okay.

00:03:33.000 Is that good?

00:03:35.000 And I have a podcast with Liz Scheldt, who is here.

00:03:37.000 Happy Hour with Liz Scheldt.

00:03:39.000 And on Twitter.

00:03:40.000 A lot.

00:03:40.000 Right on.

00:03:41.000 We got Phil and Anna-Claire hanging out.

00:03:43.000 Hello, I am Phil Labonte, very failed singer of all that remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

00:03:50.000 Yeah, and I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.

00:03:51.000 I'm a writer for TimCast.com.

00:03:53.000 I'm so glad to be here, and I'm really sad about this.

00:03:56.000 Seamus is, in fact, back.

00:03:57.000 Thank you.

00:03:58.000 You're such a good friend.

00:03:59.000 Hey, Culture War Kittens. 1.00

00:04:00.000 I've missed you all so much.

00:04:02.000 I'm happy to be back here for another show.

00:04:04.000 Listen, my fans voted that that's what they wanted to be called, so that's what I'm calling them.

00:04:07.000 You have fans?

00:04:07.000 Yes, I do, believe it or not.

00:04:08.000 Some people watch me, and it's not just because they hate me.

00:04:10.000 Yeah.

00:04:11.000 Yeah.

00:04:11.000 Believe it or not, but I'm glad to be back.

00:04:13.000 I've missed all of you.

00:04:14.000 I'm Seamus Coghlan.

00:04:15.000 I am a political cartoonist and commentator.

00:04:17.000 I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes, where we upload a cartoon every single Thursday, lampooning current events or sometimes just getting into culture war issues in a deeper way rather than touching on current events.

00:04:28.000 Tomorrow's video is going to be very, very funny, in my humble opinion, and next week's video is going to be A Thanksgiving special that, let's just say, we're very excited for.

00:04:37.000 So I want to ask you all to subscribe at Freedom Tunes, check our stuff out, hit the notification bell.

00:04:42.000 We got some good stuff coming at you tomorrow and next week.

00:04:44.000 It will be Thanksgiving, not Friendsgiving, correct?

00:04:46.000 No, we don't do the Friendsgiving thing.

00:04:47.000 I'm not, because I don't have any.

00:04:49.000 I don't have any.

00:04:50.000 So that's why I don't do Fansgiving either, apparently.

00:04:52.000 Today, Seamus sent me a Bible verse telling me that women should stop talking. 1.00

00:04:55.000 So, that's actually not what happened.

00:04:56.000 I was trying to be his friend.

00:04:57.000 That's not true.

00:04:58.000 Did he really do that?

00:04:59.000 No, that's real.

00:04:59.000 She sent me something condescendingly saying that she could teach me a lesson, and so I sent her first Timothy 2.12.

00:05:04.000 I did not.

00:05:05.000 I was just trying to give him some personal advice.

00:05:07.000 We have to get this show on the road.

00:05:08.000 I'm not particularly religious, but I kind of like the attitude.

00:05:11.000 I'll send it to you.

00:05:12.000 It's charming.

00:05:13.000 Let's get into it first.

00:05:14.000 I was sending an out-of-context verse to be churlish with him.

00:05:16.000 Seamus, you are acting very unprofessionally right now, and you've been emotionally unhinged for weeks.

00:05:21.000 I know.

00:05:22.000 So we've all had to put up with it.

00:05:23.000 Okay, I'm kidding, by the way.

00:05:24.000 I'm just reading Candace Owens' tweet.

00:05:25.000 I would have done an after show, by the way, just so you guys know.

00:05:28.000 Tim was like, it's going to be hard to drive back late.

00:05:29.000 I said, let's do the after show.

00:05:30.000 I told everyone else to do it, and everyone looked at me like I was the devil.

00:05:33.000 I have a dog that I have to take care of.

00:05:34.000 She's going to be in the kennel for months. 1.00

00:05:36.000 How about we talk about news, everybody?

00:05:37.000 The first story that we got is a tweet from Ben Shapiro who says, Candace, if you feel that taking money from the daily wire somehow comes between you and God, by all means quit.

00:05:50.000 And that is a bold response to Candace Owens' tweet, which is, my understanding is a Bible verse, but Seamus might be a better verse with this.

00:05:59.000 Candace Owens tweeted, Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the

00:06:02.000 children of God.

00:06:03.000 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness's sake,

00:06:07.000 for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you and persecute you,

00:06:11.000 and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake.

00:06:15.000 No one can serve two masters.

00:06:16.000 Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to one and despise the other.

00:06:21.000 You cannot serve both God and money.

00:06:23.000 In response to this, Ben said, by all means quit, to which Candace replied,

00:06:28.000 You have been acting unprofessional and emotionally unhinged for weeks now,

00:06:33.000 and we have all had to sit back and allow it, and have all tried to exercise exceeding understanding for

00:06:39.000 your raw emotion, but you cross a certain line when you come for scripture

00:06:43.000 and read yourself into it.

00:06:44.000 I will not tolerate it.

00:06:46.000 So needless to say, things are getting rather interesting.

00:06:49.000 And if you're wondering why they're fighting, what this is all about, it has to do with Israel-Palestine.

00:06:52.000 Recently, Ben Shapiro was seen on video saying that Candace Owens' faux sophistication was disgraceful as it pertained to what was going on. 1.00

00:07:01.000 And Candace Owens has a video where she said that her point was simply, Why are we so concerned about what's going on in Israel when our own universities are teaching children and young people to demonize white people?

00:07:12.000 Why are we spending so much money and energy on foreign countries when we should be securing our borders and helping the American people?

00:07:18.000 And I'm like, yeah, I agree with Candace on that.

00:07:20.000 For that, Candace tweets this, blessed are the peacemakers, which is to imply, perhaps, ceasefire.

00:07:26.000 And that's what a lot of people are reading into it.

00:07:28.000 Ben, of course, has just halted to quit.

00:07:30.000 And now we've got, I think I actually have this tweet from Mike Cernovich.

00:07:33.000 Let's see if I can pull this up.

00:07:35.000 Mike Cernovich, uh, well, we've got a couple, actually.

00:07:38.000 Here's Tucker Carlson, and where's the Mike Cernovich one?

00:07:40.000 Okay, I guess I might not have it.

00:07:42.000 But Mike Cernovich said it was constructive termination, which is basically when you create a- a pressure in your company that is- so, they're gonna have to quit.

00:07:49.000 A single instance can do this.

00:07:51.000 Jack Posobiec says, Candace Owens compares Ben to a BLM activist who accuses someone of being racist if they don't support defunding the police, and Mike Cernovich said, He's become indistinguishable from a far-left-wing identity-politics-woke-psycho.

00:08:05.000 He's working the soft-cancel-culture angle now.

00:08:07.000 I didn't fire Candace, she quit! 1.00

00:08:09.000 But he should also look up what constructive termination is.

00:08:12.000 So, uh, let's just get into it.

00:08:14.000 I don't know.

00:08:15.000 This is the big story.

00:08:15.000 How you guys doing?

00:08:17.000 I mean, why don't we have any fun drama?

00:08:19.000 I don't understand!

00:08:22.000 As far as, like, Cernovich's criticism, anyone that touches on identity politics starts to sound like the people, you know, whether they intend to or not, they're going to sound like they're diving into identity politics, whether it be, you know, white people talking about their white whiteness or whatever or if you're complaining about white

00:08:45.000 people and whiteness or whatever, anytime you touch that, you can't help but sound like the 0.96

00:08:50.000 people that are...

00:08:51.000 Like leftists.

00:08:52.000 Yeah, like you're leftists, like you're a victim, like you need some kind of special

00:08:56.000 accommodation because people are offending you for talking about that.

00:08:59.000 And it doesn't matter who does it.

00:09:01.000 It doesn't matter whether it's a Jewish person, a white person, a black person, it doesn't 0.98

00:09:03.000 matter.

00:09:04.000 That's just the way you come off when you go into that area.

00:09:08.000 I got an issue, what I wouldn't describe as a hard journalistic correction, but a failed...

00:09:14.000 What's the right word?

00:09:16.000 A failed insight on my part.

00:09:18.000 I said the other day that Candace and Ben arguing over this stuff and having kind of a public spat is just good for the Daily Wire, it's press attention, which is true.

00:09:26.000 And that it probably wouldn't go beyond this, they're gonna criticize each other, but now Ben's telling her to quit!

00:09:32.000 Which, I don't know if you guys have legal expertise to some degree, but it seems to me that if you have a contract with someone, and then you publicly say you should quit, you've just given them legal recourse to terminate their contract.

00:09:46.000 You know, I think what's going on here is that Daily Wire is a fiefdom.

00:09:53.000 And they like to have kind of a stable of people in their team, but who are completely under their thumb.

00:10:02.000 Remember the Crowder business, which happened not that long ago?

00:10:06.000 And I thought it was so odd, because what would appear to be a private negotiation suddenly erupts into public.

00:10:12.000 Well, why?

00:10:13.000 Well, apparently what Crowder was kind of balking against was the idea of, quote, being owned by the Daily Wire.

00:10:22.000 Right?

00:10:22.000 And I think this is what's going on here, is that Candace is a very independent spirit, she's actually got a pretty good ego, she wants to be her own person, and yet somehow she's corralled into the Daily Wire stable, and they expect her to, quote, behave.

00:10:40.000 And she doesn't really think she needs to.

00:10:42.000 She's Candace.

00:10:43.000 She doesn't need to.

00:10:44.000 She doesn't need to.

00:10:45.000 And so I see this as a kind of... I mean, you could have had the philosophical debate without this acrimony.

00:10:52.000 So it's very interesting that the two have become conflated.

00:10:55.000 But do you think Ben Shapiro could have had the philosophical debate without the emotion behind it?

00:10:59.000 Because it's so much tied to his core identity and how he views the world.

00:11:04.000 Maybe Candace could have, because she's a little bit more removed, but someone who's tied to the religious and ethnic groups that are involved, it's much harder. 0.99

00:11:11.000 Well, I think that is right.

00:11:13.000 I mean, I do think that this is the make-or-break issue for Ben.

00:11:17.000 I think it is the lens through which other issues are filtered.

00:11:21.000 And also, even if you take a position that said something like, you know, this is anti-Israel, but it's not necessarily anti-Semitism.

00:11:31.000 Boom! 0.99

00:11:31.000 You've, like, violated the taboo. 0.99

00:11:33.000 You're, like, suddenly on the outs.

00:11:35.000 So I think this is a case where, in Daily Wire, a relative lockstep is being demanded.

00:11:41.000 And Candace just won't play along with that. 1.00

00:11:45.000 And so you've got this public spat.

00:11:48.000 And I assume this happens at all major media companies, right?

00:11:52.000 I'm sure Fox has had the same issues as it's grown.

00:11:54.000 There are some people who feel as though they can't question their boss on certain issues.

00:12:00.000 Well, I mean, the thing about it is, you know, you want to be clear in advance about what you stand for.

00:12:05.000 So Daily Wire would basically say, listen, we want a variety of views, but kind of no variety on this one topic.

00:12:11.000 This is kind of a bright line for us.

00:12:15.000 Then you wouldn't join Daily Wire if you intended to step out of line.

00:12:19.000 But it looks to me like what happened with Daily Wire was that they were like, let's get some really big personalities into our tent, And even the phrase that was used in the context of Crowder, wage slavery, which is kind of an old phrase out of Marx in the 19th century.

00:12:35.000 That's what really rankled Crowder because he's like, you know, I'm not going to be your slave.

00:12:39.000 You know, you might pay me well, but nevertheless, I'm still my own man.

00:12:42.000 And I think something I hear the same echo here.

00:12:45.000 I got it.

00:12:46.000 I gotta tell you, man, you know, when the Crowder thing went down, I brought up how we had negotiations with the guys at The Daily Wire, and I think they're fantastic.

00:12:56.000 The negotiations and the conversations that I had with co-CEO Jeremy Boring were probably the most refreshing business negotiations I've ever had in any circumstance where I felt like he wasn't lying to me.

00:13:07.000 And I respect that tremendously.

00:13:08.000 I'm not kidding, man.

00:13:09.000 When I've met with these big podcast companies, like several years ago, when I've met with big corporate news, they're blown smoke up.

00:13:16.000 You get what I'm saying?

00:13:17.000 I sat down with Jeremy and it was like a real conversation about what's going on, what we could do, why we could do it.

00:13:21.000 And you know what it ultimately came down to is, I don't know that I could do a deal like this because I'm kind of a crazy guy. 0.98

00:13:29.000 And I might want to buy a billboard that says, you know, Liz Cheney is a fat pig or something like that. 0.99

00:13:34.000 And they chuckled and they were like, fair point, fair point, you know? 0.99

00:13:37.000 And so, I don't know if I mentioned that before, I think I did, because I was like, I would like to insult people like, warmongers who I greatly despise.

00:13:44.000 You know, I do get a lot of people saying, no, they'll never come on your show, Tim, don't you get it?

00:13:47.000 And I'm like, well, you know, I guess.

00:13:48.000 Is it like Liz Cheney was going to come do Tim Cass and subject herself to a two-hour interview where she was asked tough questions about the things she's been involved with? 0.82

00:13:54.000 Like, that was ever going to happen.

00:13:56.000 So, but Boltzmann comes down to this, like, I saw this outright.

00:13:59.000 When I sit down with them and they're like, what are the potentials that we have?

00:14:03.000 Cause they're like, we love what you do.

00:14:05.000 And then I was like, and I'm a fan of what the Daily Wire does, especially in the culture war.

00:14:08.000 And then ultimately it came down to one simple question of, obviously like money plays a role, but Daily Wire is flush with cash.

00:14:15.000 But the real issue is, look man, I'm going to take my money and I'm going to do weird things with it.

00:14:19.000 I'm going to do... I want a culture jam.

00:14:22.000 I want to shock the system.

00:14:23.000 I want to say things that are offensive.

00:14:24.000 And they were like, fair point.

00:14:26.000 Then, you know, we'll work on things, but we'll keep it professional.

00:14:29.000 I said, cool.

00:14:30.000 I mean, whenever you're at an institution of any kind, you're subject to the institution, its investors, its donors.

00:14:37.000 I mean, I've been at the American Enterprise Institute, the Hoover Institution.

00:14:41.000 It always occurred to me that I have a measure of independence.

00:14:43.000 Because when you're in a think tank, basically they pay you to do whatever you want.

00:14:47.000 Dinesh, write books, give speeches.

00:14:49.000 And so I was like, this is the best gig ever.

00:14:51.000 But I realized, well, how is AEI funded?

00:14:54.000 Well, they're funded by corporations, they're funded by a handful of big donors.

00:14:58.000 You can't run a thwart those guys, because then there's someone to complain to.

00:15:03.000 And if you become a liability, they're going to offload you.

00:15:07.000 I do want to mention, because I see super chats where they're saying, I'm with Candace on this one.

00:15:11.000 I'm like, that's the beauty of The Daily Wire, though.

00:15:13.000 They've got you choosing sides.

00:15:15.000 The Daily Wire or The Daily Wire.

00:15:16.000 Unless, of course, Candace does quit. 1.00

00:15:19.000 And that would be, I think that would be like a nuclear bomb going off for The Daily Wire if Candace actually leaves. 1.00

00:15:25.000 I'm hoping that this is just kind of a half-thought stunt of some sort.

00:15:31.000 Candace really isn't that angry about it.

00:15:33.000 You mean like Will Smith?

00:15:34.000 It's a variation of the Hollywood production.

00:15:38.000 Who did Will Smith slap?

00:15:40.000 Chris Rock.

00:15:42.000 But then it turns out he wasn't even with his wife.

00:15:44.000 Jada Smith.

00:15:45.000 That's right.

00:15:45.000 Jada Smith came out and was like, we've been separated for a hundred years.

00:15:49.000 That's so gross.

00:15:52.000 I think this dispute online is going to be something progressive media outlets try and capitalize on as, look, these right-wing enterprises are fracturing, they're falling apart, to direct from the fact that they also have a lot of issues.

00:16:11.000 Yeah, the Israeli-Palestine conflict is splitting both the left and the right and really making people pick sides.

00:16:19.000 I imagine that Candace doesn't have a strong... I imagine it would make sense to think that Candace doesn't have as strong of an opinion as Ben, obviously, because Ben's got family in Israel, you know, so... But she's an American!

00:16:31.000 She can have a strong opinion that America shouldn't spend money on foreign wars. 1.00

00:16:35.000 Yeah, but I think Ben looks at the whole thing as beyond that.

00:16:38.000 We're living in a time, and this is not the way things used to be, but where institutions tend to be defined by one guy.

00:16:46.000 Even if you go back to the old National Review, it was Bill Buckley.

00:16:48.000 You have a lot of other guys around him, but it's Buckley's magazine.

00:16:51.000 Commentary was Norman Pudhortz's magazine.

00:16:54.000 And this is the Tim Pool operation.

00:16:57.000 It's really more the Seamus operation.

00:17:00.000 Not a lot of people know that.

00:17:01.000 I got D'Souza Media.

00:17:03.000 And so I think what happens at Daily Wire is it is Ben Shapiro, but then you've got these other guys who are kind of luminaries in their own right.

00:17:11.000 And so now the issue is a little unclear.

00:17:15.000 Who's the brand?

00:17:16.000 It's really simple, actually.

00:17:17.000 If you look at all of their personalities, they're homegrown.

00:17:21.000 But Candace Owens was recruited. 0.99

00:17:23.000 Candace Owens was already big, was already popular, was already moving politically. 1.00

00:17:28.000 And Jordan Peterson, actually.

00:17:29.000 Well, right, right, right.

00:17:31.000 But you know, like Knowles and Clavin, these are their homegrown personalities that they've built up.

00:17:36.000 Matt Walsh.

00:17:37.000 And they've done a tremendous job in getting attention and building influence for their hosts.

00:17:42.000 But Michael Knowles worked for the company and then has now become one of the biggest social and political commentators.

00:17:49.000 Well, I kind of want to touch on something that you mentioned earlier, Janesh.

00:17:51.000 You said that the Daily Wire grabs different people so that they can have a large tent, reach a broad audience, and have a lot of different influencers.

00:17:58.000 I think that's true.

00:17:59.000 And I think, interestingly enough, that's actually symbolic of a broader issue with the conservative movement, which is we've tried to welcome everybody into the tent, and we actually don't have principles or know how to define ourselves anymore as a result of that.

00:18:10.000 When it comes to the Israel-Palestine conflict, obviously that's something where I think there can be diversity of opinion, but there are so many social issues, issues like abortion, homosexuality, LGBTQ issues, more broadly speaking, where the right doesn't even know what it believes because we've expanded the tent out to everybody who the left has said they don't like, and so we've actually allowed our enemies to decide what our movement is.

00:18:32.000 I don't disagree with that, but I think generally American culture is very ambiguous.

00:18:38.000 We don't have a defined cultural identity that people theoretically could assimilate to.

00:18:42.000 So it becomes difficult to say where any lines are, and then you add policy on top of that.

00:18:47.000 You don't think America had like a broad overarching culture?

00:18:50.000 I think we could, and we did at one point, but I think as it stands right now, Americans are very resistant to cultivating American culture.

00:18:57.000 I mean, think about everyone who was like, if Trump gets elected, I will move to Canada!

00:19:01.000 Like, there's all kinds of resistance to being American.

00:19:03.000 If that's how our young people feel, then we have failed as a culture to maintain a cultural identity.

00:19:07.000 Young people in the United States, a lot of the people that I end up working with when I'm touring and stuff like that, younger people really don't.

00:19:13.000 They want to avoid the nationalist idea.

00:19:17.000 Or just patriotism.

00:19:19.000 They see patriotism as nationalism.

00:19:22.000 They see American flags and they're turned off by it.

00:19:25.000 Some people that I'm really, really close to and that I have a really great relationship with, they don't see A love of country as something that's important.

00:19:34.000 They think of themselves as global and I do understand that that's a little bit more of the... that is probably because of the people that I'm around.

00:19:41.000 They travel around the world.

00:19:43.000 They're playing concerts and performing in places all over the world.

00:19:47.000 So that does make people feel less connected to an individual place.

00:19:52.000 But it is something that is true among younger people in the United States.

00:19:55.000 And I think that it's partially because we have Between Gen X and possibly the Millennials, they didn't instill a pride in young people and they didn't really, you know, civics was taken out of school and stuff and people don't understand why America is special and what about our government system is special and why it should be preserved.

00:20:16.000 And you add to that that The younger generations, I mean the millennial generation, my generation, and Gen Z and Gen Alpha are growing up in a world where everything is being handed to you.

00:20:24.000 And I don't mean everything, but your bare necessities.

00:20:26.000 Now I get it.

00:20:27.000 Expanding beyond that is becoming increasingly difficult.

00:20:30.000 Owning a home is becoming increasingly difficult.

00:20:32.000 But when your whole life is playing with your friends, going to school, coming home and eating Rice Krispies squares or whatever and Tang from your mom, and it's not having to chop wood otherwise you freeze to death in the winter, we are building multiple generations of people who don't know what it takes to survive.

00:20:46.000 And that breeds entitlement and resentment, and without any sense of community, it's Antifa, it's chaos, it's the far left, it's the woke cult.

00:20:54.000 Well, I think we've also manufactured quite a lot of cynicism, some intentionally and some otherwise.

00:20:59.000 So just to speak to my own experience, people in my generation can probably relate to this.

00:21:04.000 I was six when 9-11 happened, and immediately there were just American flags everywhere.

00:21:08.000 Everyone was talking about patriotism and coming together as a country.

00:21:12.000 And then what that was used for was basically to push for these wars that basically everybody now looks back on and says were bad for the country.

00:21:19.000 So for a lot of people in my demographic, their first introduction to patriotism and to love of country was abused in such a way to give handouts to the industrial military complex and do things that ultimately were not good for the country, so people are less willing to come on board with common projects that actually are good for the nation.

00:21:34.000 That's not new.

00:21:36.000 I mean, young people being disillusioned with America and the flag and not being patriotic, it's not really that new.

00:21:48.000 I mean, we're Gen Xers, and we were raised in the 80s, and we had Ronald Reagan.

00:21:53.000 I think we were raised in a certain era of greater patriotism, but there still was a big contingent who thought that Ronald Reagan was more evil than the Soviet Union.

00:22:09.000 I mean, it has to be put in context.

00:22:11.000 It keeps going downhill, you know?

00:22:13.000 Well, it's because, yeah, and I mean, I think academia is, and I mean, Dinesh D'Souza wrote the book on it, A Liberal Education, which is one of the first books that opened my eyes about what they're indoctrinating kids with, and now when you have your own children in college, you really see it.

00:22:29.000 But I do think things need to be put in context a little.

00:22:33.000 Because what they said about Trump, they said about Ronald Reagan.

00:22:37.000 There was a brief window where George W. Bush was a hero, and then all of a sudden he's the next Hitler. 0.92

00:22:42.000 We had the Vietnam War, and there was a massive young people's revolt against that.

00:22:47.000 And then Reagan came along and Reagan found a middle ground that has suddenly somehow been lost.

00:22:55.000 The middle ground was called the Reagan Doctrine.

00:22:57.000 So the Reagan Doctrine is that people must fight for their own freedom.

00:23:02.000 We don't fight for them.

00:23:03.000 It's their country.

00:23:04.000 They fight.

00:23:05.000 We help.

00:23:06.000 So the classic model of this was the Soviets invade Afghanistan. 0.68

00:23:09.000 They occupied with 100,000 troops.

00:23:12.000 There are all these Afghan Mujahideen who want to fight back. 1.00

00:23:15.000 Reagan's like, I'm not sending a single soldier, but I'll send some CIA advisors.

00:23:19.000 I'll give you some Stinger rockets to shoot down some Soviet helicopters.

00:23:23.000 And the beauty of this was that it allowed that kind of libertarian desire to have freedom

00:23:27.000 spread worldwide, but without a kind of costly deployment and extended deployment of troops.

00:23:35.000 And then once the Iraq war came along, we went to preemptive war, we went to, what did those guys have to do with 9-11? 0.98

00:23:42.000 We went to the idiotic, you know, where did that come out of, a store? 0.99

00:23:46.000 Like, if you break it, you own it? 1.00

00:23:49.000 What?

00:23:50.000 You know, if you get rid of a dictator of a country, you now have the job of rebuilding the country?

00:23:54.000 What?

00:23:55.000 So all this kind of madness, this is almost like neoconservatism gone berserk, but Reagan was never on board with any of this.

00:24:03.000 I want to jump to the story from the SF Chronicle.

00:24:06.000 David DePapp describes far-right conspiracies that led him to Pelosi House.

00:24:10.000 That's right, this is the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi, and he testified the other day.

00:24:16.000 These stories went wild.

00:24:17.000 He was claiming that he wanted to get Nancy Pelosi to confess on camera while he wore a unicorn costume, and then he wanted Biden to pardon her for these crimes, which is just a general... All around, the dude's clearly unwell.

00:24:30.000 But who do you think they're blaming?

00:24:33.000 For all of this.

00:24:35.000 In all of these new comment sections and on leftist Twitter and all these chats.

00:24:39.000 That sounds like something Ian would say.

00:24:41.000 The unicorn costume and then get the president to... And I want to say that this is a guy who wanted Joe Biden to pardon Nancy Pelosi.

00:24:58.000 Let me read the story.

00:24:59.000 They say David DePapp, the man accused of attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer in San Francisco last year, testified in his federal trial Tuesday, offering the most detailed glimpse to date into the motivations and conspiracies that drove him to embark on what he said he and his lawyers described as a mission to fix a world corrupted by Democrats.

00:25:11.000 Under questioning from his own attorney, DePapp sketched the contours of his worldview and his political leanings, both of which were heavily informed by conservative media personnel and podcasters.

00:25:19.000 David DePapp testified that he subscribed to a number of baseless and wildly discredited conspiracy theories, many of which revolved around assertions of cabals of high-ranking public officials and celebrities harming children.

00:25:28.000 Uh, yada yada, he says he used to be left-wing, and I wonder if the Chronicle actually removed the references, but, uh... To search.

00:25:36.000 Yeah, did it?

00:25:37.000 I think they may have taken it out.

00:25:38.000 Maybe they were scared that we were going to sue him.

00:25:40.000 Did I make the cut?

00:25:41.000 Okay, here we go.

00:25:42.000 I'm sorry.

00:25:43.000 Here it is.

00:25:43.000 I'm sorry.

00:25:43.000 We're here.

00:25:44.000 We're here.

00:25:44.000 He turned instead to conservative commentators Tim Poole and James Lindsay, DePapp said.

00:25:50.000 He also went on to mention many others.

00:25:52.000 He mentioned Glenn Beck and other channels.

00:25:54.000 But I just want to shout out Uh, depending on which news outlet you read, they'll choose selectively which person he claimed to have been listening to.

00:26:01.000 And, uh, Tim Pool and James Lindsay.

00:26:03.000 And I am offended by this, because as Phil pointed out, the demanding Joe Biden pardon the Democrats... Yeah, it's all Ian.

00:26:10.000 That's all Ian!

00:26:11.000 Ian, what are you doing?

00:26:12.000 You're getting me in trouble over here!

00:26:13.000 As soon as I heard this, I was like, he didn't pay attention to anything Tim said.

00:26:17.000 That's all Ian Crosland did.

00:26:18.000 Famous far-right commenter, Ian Crosland.

00:26:21.000 The same thing happened to me, though.

00:26:22.000 They gave one of my quotes to Ian.

00:26:23.000 They get all of his quotes screwed up.

00:26:26.000 Who was it, Media Matters, who claimed that your quote was Ian?

00:26:29.000 I think it was Gawker, and I was talking about how horribly destructive no-fault divorce is, and they said Ian Crosland said it.

00:26:36.000 So this is a guy who committed a horrible attack, you know, on Paul Pelosi.

00:26:38.000 These things shouldn't happen.

00:26:40.000 They need better security.

00:26:40.000 And they're claiming, oh, he was watching, you know, my show or whatever.

00:26:43.000 any of you guys are so so this is a guy who committed a horrible attack

00:26:43.000 And I saw this story.

00:26:47.000 you know on populous e it these things shouldn't happen any better security

00:26:51.000 and dot that the claiming all he was watching you know my show whatever and

00:26:55.000 and i saw the story of those funny media matters quoted me the last time when the guy in texas

00:27:00.000 posted for clips tomorrow

00:27:02.000 and the quote is simple says i think it's funny and i just don't care or

00:27:06.000 something like that And I'm like, yeah, dude, look, there will not be a single person who can ever, ever get me to care that some dude who did some bad thing watched my show.

00:27:17.000 We get millions upon millions.

00:27:19.000 That's insane.

00:27:20.000 First of all, I want to shout out conservative commentator James Lindsay, which is laughable.

00:27:26.000 What's up, Jim?

00:27:30.000 But one thing I really love about Ian Crossland, who is not here, unfortunately, tonight.

00:27:33.000 The thing that's great about him is he's a weird guy.

00:27:37.000 He doesn't fit in any political box.

00:27:39.000 His opinions are wild. 0.99

00:27:41.000 He's for the death penalty.

00:27:42.000 He's, like, very much for it.

00:27:43.000 We had this big conversation where he was like, Woody, we gotta have the death penalty for these people.

00:27:47.000 And I'm like, whoa.

00:27:48.000 But then he's like, but we gotta pardon Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:27:50.000 And I'm just like, he's kind of wild.

00:27:54.000 He helps break the machine, because when Gawker takes a quote from Seamus and applies it to Ian, or when Hasan Piker claims Ian is a conservative, it shows you that their arguments are meaningless, completely empty.

00:28:09.000 I don't think we should take this at face value.

00:28:12.000 Julie, of course, has been following the January 6 trials.

00:28:15.000 And you know, Julie, that there are many cases where at the coaching of attorneys, the guy who had one motive

00:28:24.000 is coached into a different storyline that is made palatable for the media, palatable for the jury,

00:28:32.000 palatable for the judge to show compassion.

00:28:34.000 So what I see here is a leftist who has now realized that moving right and claiming to be under the right-wing spell will suddenly get him a lot of sympathetic attention.

00:28:46.000 Laura Sentencing? 0.74

00:28:48.000 Lower sentencing.

00:28:50.000 Yeah, the conservatives drove him crazy.

00:28:52.000 This guy is an illegal immigrant from Canada who voted for the Green Party.

00:28:56.000 This is what I mean.

00:28:57.000 This is why they had to construct the narrative, and that's why they needed a migration, because they know he started left.

00:29:03.000 So they had to account for that.

00:29:05.000 It probably still is.

00:29:06.000 It probably still is.

00:29:07.000 This proves it.

00:29:08.000 It's just one big conspiracy against me.

00:29:09.000 I'm the victim here.

00:29:10.000 You are the center of the universe, Tim Kool.

00:29:12.000 I'm the victim because I'm a part of Tim Kool.

00:29:13.000 The last paragraph, they're talking about Gail Rubin.

00:29:15.000 At the very end it says, Talking particularly on pedophilia and sexual relationships have been misconstrued.

00:29:21.000 Nothing that Gail Rubin, that James Lindsay has said about Gail Rubin's writings, none of it has been misconstrued.

00:29:29.000 It is all word-for-word stuff that she has written in her books.

00:29:31.000 And let me drive it home.

00:29:33.000 I don't know about where this guy gets his ideas or anything like that.

00:29:36.000 I will say it's certainly not a Tim Pool idea to pardon corrupt politicians.

00:29:40.000 But...

00:29:41.000 They bring up Gail Rubin in this.

00:29:42.000 Why?

00:29:43.000 She has nothing to do with the Pelosi's.

00:29:45.000 This man going to Pelosi's house and wanting to attack or harm Pelosi has nothing to do with James Lindsay or Gail Rubin.

00:29:54.000 It does seem like what you said, Dinesh, that Hey, look, I bet his defense attorneys said, here's what you're gonna do, you're in San Francisco, this is the jury, you gotta claim it's the right wing that radicalized you, attack James Lindsay, Glenn Beck, Tim Pool, and there's a few others they mentioned, and then you'll get lesser charges.

00:30:14.000 They'll use that to weave a narrative.

00:30:16.000 I mean, Julie, hasn't this exactly been the January 6th?

00:30:19.000 In some cases, where the court-appointed attorneys have lured the defendants into this kind of whole therapeutic, I used to be a Trumpster, I've now realized that he deceived me.

00:30:34.000 That's what Jenna Ellis said, right?

00:30:37.000 When she said that she was going to plead guilty in Georgia, she said, if I had known what I know now, I would never have acted that way.

00:30:43.000 I mean, it's like, renounce everything you've ever done and throw yourself on the mercy of these completely biased juries.

00:30:49.000 It's a struggle.

00:30:50.000 We're having a conversation right now.

00:30:52.000 They do have struggle sessions, still ongoing.

00:30:55.000 And you had a public defender, Heather Shainer, who's represented several January 6th defendants.

00:31:02.000 And she actually gives them a list of books and movies to read to forgive themselves for their white privilege. 0.95

00:31:10.000 And then they will go to the judge and they'll write an apology letter or they will tell the judge in a letter or verbally You know, I didn't realize how racist and anti-semitic, and we killed all the Native Americans, and so these are the futurist female public defenders that represent, so it's the same thing. 0.83

00:31:29.000 I mean, in my own campaign finance case, think about this, I give money to Wendy Long, who's a running college friend of mine, and the judge, this is the part I want to focus on as part of my sentence, psychiatric counseling.

00:31:42.000 As if my behavior is so inexplicable, it demands psychiatric therapy.

00:31:48.000 But see, I think what they were getting at is, had I gone through the psychological counseling, eight months, and then I come out and sort of seen the light, and I realize I'm actually now a leftist, and I'm now applying for a job on MSNBC, I would have been declared cured.

00:32:05.000 Wouldn't that be hilarious if you actually did that?

00:32:07.000 Just to troll the system, if you're like, no, yeah, I'm a leftist and got a job on MSNBC and then their highest-rated host was someone who was re-educated into being a leftist.

00:32:14.000 Here's a point that I want to make about this case that I think everyone needs to ask themselves.

00:32:18.000 As Dinesh pointed out, and as mentioned, Julie Kelly, in your work, January Sixers are given this narrative.

00:32:25.000 Why would a criminal defendant Go on the stand for several hours and explain that the crime he committed was actually part of a much, much larger conspiracy and that he actually was attempting several more crimes.

00:32:38.000 For what purpose would this defendant be advantaged by admitting to further criminal conspiracy on the stand?

00:32:47.000 I mean, he's obviously, theoretically, going to help the state with something.

00:32:50.000 There's no way that he's counseled to do that unless they potentially could throw someone else under the bus.

00:32:54.000 My point is, there's no legitimate legal circumstance where they're like, go up there and admit to doing more crimes.

00:32:59.000 Admit to wanting to do more crimes.

00:33:01.000 Unless the narrative was, how can we rope in right-wing conspiracy stuff?

00:33:06.000 So, you have a guy who attacked Paul Pelosi.

00:33:09.000 And that's the story.

00:33:10.000 He was a Green Party guy.

00:33:10.000 He was a leftist.

00:33:11.000 He was Canadian.

00:33:12.000 They want to weave this into a story about the far right.

00:33:15.000 But how do you?

00:33:16.000 He attacked Paul Pelosi.

00:33:17.000 Well, of course, the Pelosi's are there.

00:33:19.000 So then he has to go on and say, well, Newsom and Gail Rubin were targets, too.

00:33:24.000 So you're admitting to wanting to do more crimes to create the narrative.

00:33:27.000 That's right.

00:33:29.000 Yeah, my guess is this guy is out of his mind and they realized that they could now move him like a puppet in whatever direction they wanted to.

00:33:39.000 And so they've constructed a narrative.

00:33:41.000 I think it might be simple enough that his defense came to him and said, look, you're in San Francisco.

00:33:45.000 It is as blue as blue can be.

00:33:47.000 You attacked the leader of the Democratic Party's husband.

00:33:50.000 You need to shift this politically.

00:33:52.000 And this is a scary thing for what's happening in this country.

00:33:54.000 Well, keep in mind, too, excuse me, Tim, but the U.S.

00:33:57.000 Capitol Police, the same organization that allowed The Capitol to be left unsecured on January 6th.

00:34:05.000 They were monitoring the Pelosi's property in real time.

00:34:10.000 So they've expanded their offices out of Washington, they shouldn't, to parts of Florida and California.

00:34:16.000 So they were monitoring and they said, oh, we just looked away and whatever, then all of a sudden this guy bursts into the house, breaks into the house.

00:34:23.000 So it's also part of, to your point, you're right, but also covering up again another agency that really should be disbanded.

00:34:31.000 Congress shouldn't have their own police force.

00:34:33.000 Not only are they protecting, not protecting in this case, but they're totally incompetent, should be disbanded, and they're once again trying to cover up what they did wrong.

00:34:43.000 We had a legal issue, a year or so ago.

00:34:46.000 So I call my lawyer, and I say, hey, we've got this legal dispute, civil, not criminal, a civil tort of some sort.

00:34:54.000 And he said, okay, well, if we sue in California, we lose instantly.

00:35:00.000 If we sue in New York, we lose instancy.

00:35:02.000 Instantly, because these were big media corporations that we were looking at.

00:35:06.000 And he goes, so obviously we're gonna try and do it in West Virginia, which means we need to figure out why we have standing to be in West Virginia to do it.

00:35:14.000 And I laughed, and I was like, I totally get it.

00:35:16.000 He goes, look man, You get a judge in New York, and they're gonna be corporate, and they're gonna be Democrats, and they instantly hate you no matter what you say, because you're Tim Pool.

00:35:25.000 You go to West Virginia, and they're probably gonna instantly like you.

00:35:28.000 I gotta be honest, you file in West Virginia, the judge is gonna side with you no matter what you say.

00:35:31.000 And I'm like, that's crazy!

00:35:34.000 But that's the reality of where we are with this political bifurcation.

00:35:37.000 Absolutely.

00:35:38.000 Outside of any grand conspiracy or narrative crafting or whatever we want to say may have happened, I think his defense lawyers just said, look man, tell everyone that it's the evil boogeyman far-right that made you do it, and cross your fingers.

00:35:49.000 Well, you know, you mentioned earlier Jenna Ellis, and part of what's going on here is that The plea bargain system has become a legal bludgeon, in which they come to you and in effect say, we can get something on you no matter what.

00:36:08.000 And now what they do is they, because of the large federal accordion of statutes, they can re-describe the same thing you did and have multiple charges.

00:36:17.000 In my campaign finance case, they were like, we'll get you on bank fraud because you took your money out of the bank.

00:36:22.000 We'll get you on mail fraud because you put your check in the mail.

00:36:26.000 And see, those things carry years in prison.

00:36:28.000 And so then they go, okay, but if you sign here and plead to this... And so, whether you're guilty or innocent makes no difference.

00:36:35.000 If you make a rational calculation, you have to take the plea.

00:36:39.000 But of course, politically, it's ruinous because then everybody jumps up and goes, see?

00:36:42.000 He admitted it!

00:36:45.000 Let me give you an example.

00:36:46.000 I was at a criminal trial a long time ago.

00:36:48.000 This is another lifetime.

00:36:50.000 And the federal prosecutors said of the defendant, who quite literally broke no law, but they were trying to put him in prison for decades, I was flabbergasted when I heard the prosecutor say, it was a sentencing hearing, why they wanted to justify a very, very long prison sentence.

00:37:06.000 And the prosecutor said, Your Honor, the defendant used a uniform resource locator through the hypertext transfer protocol to obtain private information of people he did not have the right to get information from.

00:37:19.000 And I was like, Oh my god.

00:37:21.000 He just said the dude typed in a URL into a web browser.

00:37:25.000 But he said it in such a way so that the jury and the judge would be like, wow, what is this crazy technical thing for which I am not understanding?

00:37:33.000 If I said, your honor, the dude typed some words into the browser bar and pressed enter and they sent him information, he'd be like, well, I do that every day.

00:37:41.000 Right.

00:37:42.000 But they're trying to justify putting him in prison for a decade plus.

00:37:45.000 So that's why they use that language.

00:37:47.000 I mean, after this being a police state film, people come up to me and they're like, well, you know, Dinesh, I'm not Donald Trump, and I didn't go in the Capitol on January 6th, and I pay my taxes, and, you know, I'm okay.

00:37:58.000 They're not going to come after me.

00:38:00.000 And I say to these guys, I go, listen, why don't you tell me for 10 minutes about your life?

00:38:05.000 What do you do?

00:38:06.000 Tell me where you live.

00:38:07.000 Tell me how you get to work.

00:38:10.000 You know, you're a doctor.

00:38:11.000 And I say, after 10 minutes, I will tell you three felonies that you can be charged with, that you will be defenseless against.

00:38:18.000 So, for example, you're a doctor.

00:38:19.000 Okay, I'm going to charge you with illegal administration of pain medication.

00:38:24.000 I will find one client that you administered a pain drug to who says, I didn't need it.

00:38:29.000 Right?

00:38:30.000 And I will then bring in an expert witness, a doctor, who will testify she really didn't need it.

00:38:34.000 You'll be facing years in prison.

00:38:35.000 You'll be facing not being able to be a doctor ever again.

00:38:38.000 Or, you take a plea bargain.

00:38:40.000 You pay a $100,000 fine.

00:38:43.000 You don't practice for a year, and then you can get back into it.

00:38:45.000 Well, who wouldn't take that deal?

00:38:47.000 You know that they got you.

00:38:48.000 It's blackmail.

00:38:48.000 And it's blackmail, and you're being framed.

00:38:50.000 Well, it's called the jury tax.

00:38:54.000 Some people call it the trial tax or the jury tax, and the argument they make is, well, you see, when you plead guilty, you're accepting responsibility, which shows some remorse and some change already.

00:39:05.000 Therefore, you'll get a lesser sentence for that.

00:39:07.000 The reality is, the emergence of this is mostly due to the fact that the state cannot handle the amount of cases laid before it.

00:39:14.000 If every person in this country who was criminally charged demanded a jury trial, the system would collapse overnight.

00:39:21.000 Well, I just want to mention, because we spoke to him on the show probably about two years ago, but Brandon Strzok had a very similar situation.

00:39:26.000 He did not go in the Capitol, he was just out on the steps.

00:39:29.000 They claimed that they heard his voice in the footage that he filmed saying something that wasn't even necessarily incendiary, even in and of itself, and they were threatening him with something like 19 years in prison, and so they got him to plea down, basically.

00:39:43.000 This is what I remember about covering the Proud Boys trial, right?

00:39:47.000 They were all charged with conspiracy, but also if you look back in the documents, Dominic Pizzola, who had thrown something, or there was a video of him like taking glass out of a window.

00:39:56.000 He just broke it, yeah.

00:40:00.000 He got moved on to the case way later.

00:40:01.000 They moved people around based on who they could offer pleas to create this idea that there was a uniform conspiracy.

00:40:06.000 Well, that's what was so amazing about the Whitmer federal criminal trial, and I know you guys had Brandon Caserta on, and the fact that you had, and the thing with plea deals, too, is they are considered convictions by the Department of Justice.

00:40:21.000 There's not a category that's like, and this is true, I just looked it up, 80% of federal criminal cases, charges end up are pleaded out, but they're still

00:40:32.000 listed as a conviction.

00:40:34.000 So what was so amazing with the Whitmer Fednapping trial is that you had two of the six federal

00:40:40.000 defendants who pleaded guilty and then they became government witnesses.

00:40:44.000 But then you had four defendants who took the risk.

00:40:48.000 They went to trial in a jurisdiction, really a jury of their peers, which they had.

00:40:54.000 And you had two men, Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta, who were here, who were acquitted

00:40:57.000 outright on every single charge, and then the other two men who had hung jury and of

00:41:02.000 course then the DOJ went back.

00:41:03.000 But that's why it's so amazing.

00:41:05.000 That case in and of itself is just amazing what happened.

00:41:09.000 Let me pull up this story real quick so we can carry on this conversation.

00:41:12.000 This is a story from the post-millennial.

00:41:14.000 Atlanta Antifa militants claim to have torched concrete company trucks in an effort to stop Cop City.

00:41:20.000 This is an ongoing terror campaign currently taking place in Atlanta.

00:41:25.000 There have been 61 indictments, but guess what?

00:41:29.000 As Julie pointed out as we're starting the show, these are state-level and not federal-level.

00:41:33.000 So Antifa is actively engaged.

00:41:35.000 These are people who are part of cells.

00:41:37.000 These are people who have come from outside the country, we know this, and they have cells all over the country. 0.95

00:41:42.000 They work with each other, they organize, they have plans, they have workbooks, and we are told consistently the far-right is the real threat.

00:41:48.000 I want to add something.

00:41:49.000 In the previous segment, we were talking about the jury tax, or the trial tax, where they force people to take plea bargains.

00:41:56.000 Dinesh was pointing out that he can get... You tell me about your life and he can point out three felonies?

00:42:01.000 I want to tell you guys something, and then I want to open the conversation up to January 6th and your film, Police State.

00:42:07.000 On January 20th, 2017, several hundred far leftists stormed through Washington, D.C., throwing Molotov cocktails, uh, well, I should tone it down a little bit, setting fires in the street, torching vehicles, smashing windows, and fighting with cops.

00:42:24.000 Several hundred got arrested.

00:42:26.000 I know, I was one of those people who got arrested.

00:42:27.000 I was released after I asked a supervisor And I showed him my press pass.

00:42:32.000 He told me, too bad, you're under arrest, you're not free to go.

00:42:35.000 And then eventually a supervisor ordered the release of journalists, of which I was then un-arrested, de-arrested by the police.

00:42:40.000 I was never processed.

00:42:41.000 This group was, all of these people were charged.

00:42:44.000 And guess what?

00:42:46.000 Not only did most of them have the charges dropped, the city paid them millions of dollars.

00:42:52.000 And it was for one reason.

00:42:53.000 They all refused to take a plea deal.

00:42:56.000 The state was struggling.

00:42:58.000 I shouldn't say the state, the federal government.

00:42:59.000 These are the feds.

00:43:00.000 They almost never lose cases.

00:43:01.000 But they could not get any of these individuals.

00:43:05.000 Why?

00:43:06.000 Antifa wear all black for a reason.

00:43:09.000 It doesn't matter if a cop actually sees you.

00:43:11.000 A cop could see you, you could take your mask off, you could smile, and you can wave.

00:43:17.000 And when it comes to the criminal trial, the defense will say, what was the defendant wearing?

00:43:20.000 And it'll say, a black hoodie, a black bandana, black jeans with black gloves.

00:43:25.000 And you say he looked at you and smiled.

00:43:27.000 Could you have been mistaken?

00:43:27.000 That's right.

00:43:28.000 I mean, there were 300 people wearing the exact same thing.

00:43:32.000 And the cop will say, no, it was him.

00:43:33.000 And he'll look at the jury and be like, do you believe that?

00:43:36.000 That he actually knew who this guy was with everyone wearing the same thing?

00:43:39.000 They couldn't get him on conspiracy charges, and they couldn't get anyone to believe that they singled out individuals with crimes, so the entire group, in their organized act of terrorism at Donald Trump's inauguration, were not only having their charges dismissed, but they were paid out millions of dollars.

00:43:55.000 Mm-hmm.

00:43:55.000 And let's not forget the 529 insurrection.

00:43:56.000 And narco-tyranny.

00:43:58.000 Absolutely.

00:43:59.000 When they broke down the barriers outside of the White House and forced the President of the United States into a bunker instead of referring to that as a... Fire-bombed the White House grounds.

00:44:05.000 That's right.

00:44:06.000 And the media's concern about that was that Trump was very mean and he used tear gas so that he could get across the street and stop them from burning down a historic church.

00:44:13.000 If they, just like Dinesh was saying earlier, just by talking to someone, you can come up with, you know, multiple felonies.

00:44:19.000 If the federal government actually wanted to stop this kind of stuff, they absolutely could.

00:44:24.000 I think this is the key, that, you know, for years now, we have focused on the rhetoric of the double standard.

00:44:32.000 Look at the way that the government treats Trump versus Biden.

00:44:38.000 Look at the treatment of Antifa BLM on the one hand versus, let's say, the January 6 protesters on the other.

00:44:46.000 Now, how do you resolve a double standard?

00:44:48.000 Because a double standard usually has a kind of a hidden premise.

00:44:52.000 And the hidden premise here is that we have a government that wants to apply the law equitably.

00:44:57.000 And if that is the case, then there certainly is a double standard.

00:45:00.000 They're not doing that.

00:45:01.000 But let's remove that assumption.

00:45:03.000 Let's assume that you're dealing with an emerging police state, and now it's a police state, but we're not North Korea, right?

00:45:09.000 If we were North Korea or China, I couldn't make a movie called Police State.

00:45:14.000 So we have to be a police state in the making, under construction, if you will.

00:45:18.000 And if a police state is under construction, it needs political allies.

00:45:23.000 It would ideally like to have a whole political party that is in bed with the police state.

00:45:28.000 That's going to help build it.

00:45:30.000 And so the police state is going to say, the police state now becomes like the family dog.

00:45:35.000 Notice how the family dog is really friendly to members of the family and barks at strangers. 0.92

00:45:41.000 So the family dog is not a hypocrite.

00:45:43.000 The family dog can distinguish between pals and strangers.

00:45:48.000 And similarly, the police state is friendly toward the people who are helping to build the police state, even as it is unremittingly hostile to anybody that it sees as a threat.

00:45:58.000 To the police state.

00:45:59.000 And if you apply this single standard, it all makes sense.

00:46:02.000 You don't have a double standard anymore.

00:46:04.000 They're acting consistently.

00:46:05.000 It's a hierarchy.

00:46:06.000 That's absolutely right.

00:46:07.000 Well, you can also recognize them as the militant arm of the party that's in power, basically.

00:46:13.000 And we've seen this historically.

00:46:14.000 Communists have always done this.

00:46:15.000 The communists did this in Spain, where people who were non-government officials or weren't necessarily commissioned to by the government were going and digging up the dead bodies of nuns and priests and displaying them in churches in order to persecute Christians.

00:46:26.000 And the government just wouldn't arrest them when they did it.

00:46:28.000 Because, of course, they were perfectly happy to see them do that.

00:46:30.000 And that was the fact of the matter.

00:46:31.000 And that's what we have in the United States today.

00:46:33.000 Antifund, BLM run around burning down buildings, destroying people's lives, doing violence against innocent people. 0.64

00:46:39.000 And even though they aren't technically owned or told to do this by the Democratic Party or the political establishment, it allows them to, so it's just the same.

00:46:46.000 When people share an ideology, they don't need direct orders from top-down authority.

00:46:54.000 If they all are looking for essentially the same result, which is to delegitimize the fundamental principles that the United States is built on, if they're looking for that result, All the tactics that they come up with, they're all acceptable.

00:47:09.000 Tim's talking about diversity of tactics.

00:47:14.000 When you go to a left-liberal protest, where there's thousands of people, you will see... Look, man, these people lie because in their worldview, Lying to accomplish your goal is fine.

00:47:30.000 The ends justify the means.

00:47:32.000 And what you end up with is a wide range from liberal to far-left extremist tankies, and they all say the same thing.

00:47:41.000 Respect the diversity of tactics.

00:47:44.000 And I would ask them what that means, and they would say, well, not everybody agrees there's one way to bring about change, so if someone that we may not completely agree with how they're doing things, but we're mostly aligned politically, we just back off and let them do their thing.

00:47:57.000 I want to point something out right now.

00:47:58.000 October 7th, the attack in Israel, that was a diversity of tactics.

00:48:04.000 Yes.

00:48:05.000 And that's why you see the left... In New York City, people saying they're freedom fighters, decolonize.

00:48:11.000 This is what people should pay attention to.

00:48:13.000 Not every single person who is in support of Palestine is in support of Hamas.

00:48:18.000 Fair point.

00:48:19.000 Not every single person who is marching knows exactly what they're protesting, but they're all told the same thing by the organizers to respect the diversity of tactics.

00:48:28.000 It's the phrase they use.

00:48:29.000 Now think about what that means.

00:48:30.000 When a guy stands up with a megaphone and celebrates 5,000 rocket attacks exploding over Tel Aviv or hitting some of these hospitals or whatever, when they cheer for their resistance fighters, These other liberals who don't really know a lot are told, but you have to respect it.

00:48:46.000 And so they may not 100% align, but they don't interfere as these people advocate for these things.

00:48:52.000 Here's the important takeaway.

00:48:54.000 You may not care about Israel, Palestine, or the United States.

00:48:56.000 I think domestic issues are way more important.

00:48:58.000 Totally fair.

00:48:59.000 But when you have people marching alongside pro-Hamas extremists, and these people don't care about Hamas, But they're holding up decolonize signs and clapping for the freedom fighters understand what their mentality is here in the United States.

00:49:13.000 They would do exactly as Hamas did here to accomplish their goals. 0.99

00:49:18.000 To the point where Hassan Piker on his show said, but some of those babies are settlers.

00:49:24.000 In reference to the justification of killing settlers.

00:49:27.000 Referencing that babies are also settlers.

00:49:30.000 I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, I'd like to, but I think it's very dangerous when a dude has consistently been in support of... Like, look, when Hassan literally says that Hamas is just morally and legally in the right to do these things, to reclaim stolen land, and then adds, and babies are settlers, I just don't see why we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

00:49:53.000 We also, you know, this is such an awkward topic because until you have a first-hand experience It is difficult to believe.

00:50:01.000 Now, Julie, for example, you've sat in on so many trials, right?

00:50:04.000 And we've talked a little bit about this.

00:50:07.000 I mean, you almost feel like you're living in a surreal America, because you're seeing it, and yet it is a knowledge that is a little incommunicable.

00:50:16.000 For me, like a turning point in my whole career was, you know, if you had asked me 10 years ago or 15 years ago, like, what's American politics in a nutshell?

00:50:24.000 I would go, well, it's like a debating society.

00:50:27.000 You've got the left, you've got the right, you have two different visions.

00:50:30.000 These people value liberty, these people value equality, equality of rights, equality of outcomes, and you put these rival visions before the American people and the people choose.

00:50:41.000 And sometimes they go this side, sometimes they go that side.

00:50:43.000 And then when I was sitting across from the lawyers of the Obama DOJ, and I realized in this conversation I'm having with these guys that for a trivial offense, if they could have locked me up for ten years, they would have done it.

00:50:56.000 And I realized, whoa, well that's a wrecking ball in my whole theory of American power.

00:51:01.000 Or even all the guys I knew, you know, I lived in D.C.

00:51:04.000 So, it's a small town, I knew E.J.

00:51:07.000 Dionne at the Washington Post, I knew guys at all the different, you know, liberal outlets, and I saw these guys in Trover Bookstore, I saw them in restaurants.

00:51:14.000 When my case came up, they come up to me, they go, Dinesh, man, looks like you're really being shafted.

00:51:19.000 I'd be like, okay, EJ, well, if I'm being shafted, you know, Megyn Kelly's saying that on Fox News, but it'd be really helpful if you said that in the Washington Post.

00:51:27.000 Because for a liberal to defend me against Obama, eh, I got that kind of awkward, I can't really do that.

00:51:35.000 And then you realize, again, that this is not quite the America you thought you were living in.

00:51:40.000 It's become gangsterized.

00:51:41.000 No, politics is America's most extreme and crazy team sport.

00:51:45.000 You have to be loyal to your side no matter what.

00:51:48.000 And I think that's true on both sides.

00:51:49.000 It's really easy to see where the left locks down.

00:51:52.000 In some ways, they're more effective, right?

00:51:53.000 They're able to get a lot of young people to go out and do their bidding by saying these trigger words and saying, colonizer, and then they all know exactly what side they're against.

00:52:01.000 I also think that the right does this too, where there are some portions of the party where they say, I'm too afraid to say anything.

00:52:08.000 I mean, that was what I found really interesting about the Freedom Caucus, right?

00:52:13.000 All of these people started saying, these are our values, we have American First values, we want to push forward.

00:52:17.000 And they gained traction even though the mainstream RNC was not super comfortable with it.

00:52:23.000 Well, you know, they're being defeated and it feels pretty good, so... Hearing Kevin McCarthy elbowed Burchette in the back, I'm like, man, he's losing it!

00:52:32.000 But so be it!

00:52:33.000 The stories that I've heard about the things the established Republicans have done to good Americans who wanted to serve this country, and sometimes serve it again, this time as public officers, good riddance!

00:52:44.000 Good riddance to this extremism and tribalism.

00:52:48.000 You know, I'll circle back a little bit to the Daily Wire here, because a thought just occurred to me with regard to the Candace business, and that is that Daily Wire has been out of sync with Trump, right?

00:52:57.000 They've been kind of part of a never-Trump-er camp and so on, and they're a very successful company, but it's a little tricky for them as a brand.

00:53:06.000 You're a very successful company, but you're out of sync with the mainstream of the Republican Party.

00:53:12.000 So Daily Wire needs some MAGA Spirit.

00:53:18.000 If only to deflect the Never Trumpism that's clearly in Daily Wire.

00:53:22.000 So Candace actually has a lot of leverage because she represents that. 1.00

00:53:26.000 She comes in from that kind of MAGA wing, if you will.

00:53:29.000 And then Daily Wire can say, as Jeremy Boring has said, you know, we are open to all different points of view and so on.

00:53:35.000 And they can ask themselves, why is her audience loyal to her?

00:53:37.000 I mean, it makes them potentially expand their business model.

00:53:40.000 Of course, exactly.

00:53:41.000 That's my point.

00:53:42.000 The Daily Wire, there's always a little bit of a danger that they go the way of the National Review.

00:53:47.000 The National Review dug in on anti-Trump, on Never Trump, would not back off, and pushed out Victor Davis Hanson, who was basically the one- A crime!

00:53:55.000 Victor Davis Hanson is great!

00:53:57.000 The one pro-Trump guy, and a historian who knows more than all of them combined.

00:54:01.000 He's brilliant, he's great.

00:54:02.000 Yeah, a lot of people right now are very critical of the Daily Wire, especially in our chat.

00:54:06.000 But I hope this is worth at least something.

00:54:08.000 Man, when I sit down with big corporate media companies and lawyers, and I've rejected all of them, it is the most annoying and insulting thing.

00:54:18.000 I've had companies send me contracts where they're like, here's the deals you want to do.

00:54:22.000 I'm like, this sounds great.

00:54:22.000 We shake hands.

00:54:23.000 They send me a contract, totally the opposite, that steals everything and is destructive.

00:54:27.000 And the response is, we'll hire a lawyer and redline it.

00:54:30.000 And when I sat down with Jeremy, it was like, it was like talking, it was legit.

00:54:35.000 And I really do respect that.

00:54:36.000 I feel bad for him with all this going on.

00:54:40.000 I hope at the end of it, there's no bad blood.

00:54:43.000 Candace and Ben get along.

00:54:44.000 I hope this resolves itself, generates some press for him.

00:54:48.000 It's not just about, you know, I know, I know them and I don't like it when people fight, but it really is also about If we're all in agreement on 90% of things, then come on, man.

00:54:58.000 If the far left can all wear the same clothes and get away with committing crimes, we're not even anywhere, like, trying to advocate for anything close to that.

00:55:04.000 We're just saying, guys, let's focus on the issues that we need to focus on and stop tearing each other down.

00:55:09.000 Well, we want to build a parallel economy, and to do that, and we're in a hard business because people block you.

00:55:15.000 You know, you can't advertise on YouTube, and you can't put your ads up on Facebook, and that Walmart won't sell your DVDs.

00:55:21.000 So if you can build a successful company with that wind against you, you're doing something right.

00:55:27.000 So that's... And I think there are, I mean, no matter what happens right now with the Daily Wire, they have done a lot Oh, I think we just lost your mic.

00:55:35.000 I touched my wire one time.

00:55:38.000 I said that The Daily Wire has done positive things.

00:55:41.000 We don't need a monolith of every single news organization or alternative media company saying exactly the same thing, but they themselves have to tolerate a little bit of diversity of thought.

00:55:52.000 Absolutely.

00:55:54.000 I just want to touch on one thing.

00:55:56.000 With Dinesh's political prosecution, I firmly believe that's what it was.

00:55:59.000 I've said that before.

00:56:00.000 I've done videos on it, discussing it.

00:56:04.000 Can we get an elevator pitch as to what that was, just for the people who aren't super familiar with the details?

00:56:09.000 Sure.

00:56:09.000 A college friend of mine, Wendy Long, decided to run for the Senate.

00:56:13.000 I begged her not to.

00:56:13.000 told her that she was, you know, would lose terribly, but she goes, I want to do it, so

00:56:18.000 I go, okay, I'll help you.

00:56:19.000 I gave her $10,000, which is the campaign finance limit.

00:56:23.000 But what was happening is I'd put out a new film on Obama, I was traveling all over the

00:56:26.000 country, and you know how it is with a friend of yours, she's like, oh, Dinesh, you know,

00:56:30.000 can you come and meet these Indian doctors?

00:56:32.000 I mean, they're Indian, you're Indian, you know, we want to raise some money here.

00:56:35.000 I'm like, oh, Wendy, I'm in Dallas, you know, so I felt bad.

00:56:38.000 So I told two of my friends, listen, do you like Wendy Long?

00:56:40.000 Give her $10,000, I'll reimburse you.

00:56:42.000 So this was my crime.

00:56:44.000 I exceeded the campaign finance law.

00:56:46.000 And look, I did.

00:56:47.000 Right?

00:56:47.000 So I should get the same penalty as anybody else who did that.

00:56:50.000 But normally, that penalty is nothing.

00:56:52.000 Or at the most, it's community service, a warning, especially if it's a first-time offense.

00:56:57.000 The key to the campaign finance law is you're not doing a quid pro quo.

00:57:00.000 Like, hey, I'll give you money, but I want you to make me a judge.

00:57:03.000 Then you're getting something corrupt out of the deal.

00:57:05.000 This was not the case here.

00:57:07.000 Not even charged.

00:57:08.000 So, that was what my case was about, and the U.S.

00:57:12.000 government would have liked to have locked me up for more than, as long as they could, but two years was the sort of statutory maximum, so they were going for it.

00:57:19.000 They had a Clinton-appointed judge.

00:57:21.000 I mean, the whole thing was like a show trial.

00:57:23.000 Who was your judge?

00:57:24.000 And he made you get re-educated.

00:57:25.000 Berman, in New York.

00:57:26.000 Oh, in New York, not here.

00:57:27.000 It was SDNY, the Southern District of New York.

00:57:30.000 Oh, wow.

00:57:31.000 So, it was Eric Holder, but operating through an Indian stooge whom I nicknamed Indian Headwaiter, Preet Bharara. 0.86

00:57:37.000 A guy who's had a lot of notorious cases.

00:57:40.000 Wow.

00:57:41.000 And so, on top of all this, right, so this is a crime that, as you mentioned, people normally will get community service for, or it's not prosecuted, and not only do they send you to prison, but they have you do community service.

00:57:50.000 And I'm sorry, they have you do re-education, basically.

00:57:52.000 Re-education, a big fine, I mean, when I told people I had five years probation, there were guys in prison who were like coyotes, drug smugglers, I mean, people who had been for rape, and they were like, I got two years.

00:58:04.000 They couldn't believe it, and I had great difficulty explaining.

00:58:07.000 One of the key things about prison is, like, what are you in for?

00:58:10.000 And part of the problem was I felt like I might, like, make all these enemies because none of them believed what I would say.

00:58:16.000 They're like, whose money did you take?

00:58:18.000 I'm like, no, no, no, I didn't take anybody's money.

00:58:20.000 I gave too much of my own money.

00:58:23.000 This guy's lying!

00:58:24.000 We can't trust him!

00:58:26.000 How much time did you end up staying?

00:58:28.000 So I was 8 months in an overnight confinement center.

00:58:31.000 So I was free in the day, but I checked in at 7 at night, and I would check out at 7 in the morning, and I slept in a dorm with 70 hardened criminals on a bunk bed.

00:58:40.000 Did you make friends?

00:58:41.000 I made some acquaintances.

00:58:43.000 Perhaps not friends, but you know, it's a window into our criminal justice system.

00:58:49.000 It's a unique experience for sure.

00:58:50.000 It's a very unique experience.

00:58:51.000 Well, maybe not really.

00:58:52.000 A lot of people are incarcerated.

00:58:55.000 Sorry, I interrupted you, Seamus.

00:58:56.000 Yeah, well, no, I just want to mention this, because what you said is it would have helped you if people on the left would have stood up for you when you were the victim of an obvious political prosecution.

00:59:05.000 What's very sad today is when people on the right are victims of political prosecution, people on the right won't even stand up for them.

00:59:11.000 We've gotten to that point.

00:59:12.000 Prior to your case, who was politically prosecuted before you?

00:59:19.000 I feel like you're the first kind of high-profile one, at least since the turn of the century.

00:59:23.000 It was the first case, but interestingly at the time I saw it as a one-off.

00:59:27.000 I mean, I did not see it as a prelude to Carter Page, Papadopoulos, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Trump, because the way I saw it was, okay, I made a movie on Obama, It was emotionally damaging because I went to the Obama family homestead.

00:59:42.000 I interviewed his brother.

00:59:43.000 I made it kind of personal. 0.92

00:59:45.000 And I'm like, I know this guy's a vindictive narcissist.

00:59:48.000 So I should have known there's going to be a big target on my back.

00:59:51.000 But I didn't see the institutional creep that has occurred.

00:59:55.000 The escalation under Biden of the police state has taken me by surprise.

00:59:59.000 Do you feel like you were sort of a test case?

01:00:01.000 They were seeing how they could test the law and apply it in this kind of scenario?

01:00:05.000 Yeah, you know, I thought my case was a one-off, where Obama... I mean, and this is funny, because I go speak on campuses, right, and people would be like... I'd be like, I was targeted!

01:00:13.000 And then people go, what makes you think Obama watched your stupid movie? 0.99

01:00:16.000 And I go, well, the movie was in 2,000 theaters, and when the movie reached the second most successful political film ever made, I was being attacked every day on a website called barackobama.com. 0.99

01:00:28.000 So that's kind of where I got the wacky idea that maybe Obama didn't like my film.

01:00:33.000 He's a crazy conspiracy theorist.

01:00:37.000 Someone makes a documentary exposé on you, explaining all the things wrong with you. 0.61

01:00:40.000 You don't have to see the movie to not like the person.

01:00:43.000 Like, it's not like Obama would have to sit down and be like, uh, I disagree, uh, with this film.

01:00:47.000 Like, Dinesh, that was bad.

01:00:48.000 But like, people around him are like, he said this, and he showed your family in this light, and that's all, that's all you need.

01:00:54.000 Obama went after the tea party.

01:00:56.000 That's right.

01:00:57.000 The I.A.I.

01:00:57.000 started unjustly auditing them, and then we also know that Barack Obama charged more whistleblowers and journalists under the Espionage Act than all other presidents combined.

01:01:07.000 They call him Obama.

01:01:09.000 I believe that Barack Obama may be one of the worst presidents, one of, in my lifetime, I think he's the worst. 0.54

01:01:16.000 Worst than Joe? 0.52

01:01:18.000 Yeah.

01:01:19.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:01:20.000 Joe may be heavily influenced or puppeted by Obama, but let me say this.

01:01:26.000 I know it's kind of tough because you got W. Bush, you got Iraq, you got Afghanistan, just horrible things.

01:01:32.000 And you have, like, Bush's attempt at Presidential Directive 51, if you guys are familiar with that.

01:01:37.000 But Barack Obama has, I don't know, like the National Defense Authorization Act, indefinite detention provisions, the persecution of journalists, the extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens.

01:01:47.000 We have what he did to you.

01:01:48.000 We have what he did to the Tea Party.

01:01:52.000 And, you know, honestly, the list goes on.

01:01:54.000 Bombing civilian targets.

01:01:55.000 Crossfire Hurricane. 0.96

01:01:56.000 Crossfire Hurricane?

01:01:57.000 How about Fast and Furious?

01:01:59.000 Fast and Furious sending guns to cartels.

01:02:01.000 This is the most protected man in American history.

01:02:05.000 and uh... part of it was the first black president that gave him an immediate sort of uh... halo and uh... and he's also one of the most ruthless so uh... i think it is still around yeah and and now he he he reflects a tendency that's brought on the left because you can tell whenever you're looking at stuff that the leftist do they know that they are above the law when jamal bowman pulled the fire extinguisher he removed the signs I bet it never crossed his mind, I'm going to be arrested, I'm going to be locked up, I'm going to be held for three months. 0.56

01:02:37.000 He was probably insulted when he got arrested.

01:02:39.000 You know who I am!

01:02:42.000 Or look at those protesters, what was it, in which building, was it the Cannon building?

01:02:47.000 I didn't see the slightest fear in their eyes that they're going to come in here, drag us to the floor, put us in solitary.

01:02:56.000 They knew it was never going to happen.

01:02:57.000 Do you think Barack Obama is a leftist or do you think he's a bad liberal?

01:03:02.000 No, I think that this is a guy, and I've done a lot of work on Obama, I think this is a guy who is haunted by anti-colonial demons that came from his father.

01:03:14.000 And his father was a very intoxicating, well he was intoxicated, he was drunk, but he was also a very captivating personality, a complete con artist.

01:03:26.000 In Kenya, for example, he would frequently show up at public events pretending to be a minister of this, a minister of finance.

01:03:34.000 He'd be up on the podium giving a speech when the real minister of finance would walk in the door.

01:03:38.000 I mean, there's a comic aspect to this.

01:03:40.000 And then he'd have him arrested.

01:03:41.000 He's faking it!

01:03:42.000 I see that in Obama's brother.

01:03:45.000 I see that in him.

01:03:47.000 And he abandoned Obama at birth, basically.

01:03:50.000 And paradoxically, Obama was obsessed with the father he never had.

01:03:55.000 He goes down to Kenya, he goes to his father's grave, he has this kind of voodoo experience at the grave. 0.75

01:04:00.000 It's all in my film, by the way, 2016, Obama's America.

01:04:05.000 Obama's a very interesting guy, and I think part of what put me on to him was, I had been seeing him through a civil rights lens.

01:04:11.000 You know, this is a guy, his background is like Montgomery, Selma, Martin Luther King, and that's how he was being portrayed.

01:04:17.000 And then when I read his autobiography, Dreams from My Father, I was like, oh wow, this is really more like the India I grew up in.

01:04:24.000 All the Indian intellectuals talking about anti-colonialism and the British.

01:04:28.000 I'm like, this is the soil in which this guy was cultivated.

01:04:32.000 So you think he's a leftist then?

01:04:34.000 He is a leftist in this, you know, we're talking about Hamas decolonization, Israel is the colonial power, little babies are settlers. 0.60

01:04:42.000 That's Obama's ideology.

01:04:44.000 He's a smart guy.

01:04:45.000 He's a smart guy.

01:04:46.000 You can't underestimate, I mean, the degree to which he has been influential, the authoritarian grasp and the things that he's been able to do are shocking.

01:04:55.000 Well, you have Lisa Monaco, who was a long-time loyalist of his.

01:05:00.000 His last Homeland Security advisor was Chief of Staff to Robert Mueller, and where is she now?

01:05:06.000 She's the Deputy Attorney General.

01:05:08.000 You have Avril Haines, who also was a top deputy for Barack Obama, and she is now Joe

01:05:14.000 Biden's Director of National Intelligence.

01:05:15.000 And of course, then you had Susan Rice, who was the domestic policy advisor for a long

01:05:22.000 time.

01:05:23.000 So he and he is the only president who has remained in Washington, D.C.

01:05:28.000 And now we know from reporting that you have Biden administration, administration officials

01:05:33.000 and Democrats going to their mansion in Kalarama and meeting with him.

01:05:38.000 So he still is highly influential in this administration and Democratic Party overall.

01:05:43.000 I mean, think about it this way.

01:05:44.000 If Obama decided, it is important to me to move Biden out and Kamala Harris out.

01:05:53.000 Don't you think that this would then become a top priority for the Democratic Party?

01:05:56.000 But do you think that's why Biden is running again?

01:05:59.000 Because Obama ultimately wants him to stay in office so he can continue to have control?

01:06:02.000 No, no, no.

01:06:03.000 Because I don't think the DNC wants Biden at all.

01:06:05.000 So we have this line, I think it's one of the best lines in police state, where Darren Beattie is talking and he says, he goes in a police state, he goes, you normally know who's running it, right?

01:06:15.000 Who's running China?

01:06:16.000 Xi.

01:06:16.000 Who was running Cuba?

01:06:17.000 Castro.

01:06:18.000 Who was running the old Soviet Union?

01:06:20.000 Stalin. 0.56

01:06:22.000 But our police state, says Darren, is a little opaque.

01:06:25.000 Biden is in the canoe.

01:06:27.000 He's obviously a willing accomplice, but who's steering the canoe?

01:06:33.000 We don't know.

01:06:34.000 I mean, this is a country right now being run, in my view, by some kind of a junta.

01:06:38.000 There are powerful people who are making decisions.

01:06:40.000 Biden is cooperating with them.

01:06:43.000 Obama may or may not be directing them, but I think it's the Obama-ites, it's the Obama gang that's running it. 0.53

01:06:50.000 And, in a way, Biden's very convenient.

01:06:52.000 Because, I mean, think about it.

01:06:53.000 You bring in some strong-willed guy from California, Gavin Newsom, he's going to want to run the show.

01:06:59.000 He's going to want to give orders.

01:07:00.000 He's got a future ahead of him.

01:07:01.000 He's got a future ahead of him.

01:07:03.000 Biden can't be the candidate.

01:07:04.000 He can't be the nominee.

01:07:06.000 I mean, there's this really great clip we have from a Joe Rogan experience with The Rock, where The Rock says, look, I got friends who support Trump, I got friends who support Biden, and then Joe goes, you actually have friends that support Joe Biden?

01:07:19.000 And he goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, The reason that they can't have him, though, is because of the gaffes that he's likely to do that are going to likely get worse.

01:07:32.000 Not because he won't listen.

01:07:34.000 No, no, no.

01:07:36.000 It's because...

01:07:38.000 Here's what I wonder, that the reason why they wanted Biden to be the candidate in 2020 was because they needed a sacrificial lamb.

01:07:45.000 Whoever they put in place had to reverse policies Trump did that worked and made us feel good.

01:07:50.000 And that's going to cause a lot of hurt.

01:07:52.000 Whoever does that is going to suffer in the polls and in favorability.

01:07:56.000 So we need someone who's not going to run again.

01:07:59.000 All we need is your corporeal form, Joe Biden.

01:08:01.000 That's what the article said.

01:08:02.000 Remember that one from The Atlantic?

01:08:03.000 Stay alive, Joe Biden.

01:08:04.000 All we need is your corporeal form.

01:08:06.000 I think you're right, but I still think that the risk of having Joe Biden run again is because of how... because a failure on his part, a mistake, an error, shows that he's not the guy running the show.

01:08:18.000 Yes.

01:08:18.000 Well, that's what I was about to mention.

01:08:20.000 Dinesh, you made this point about The U.S.

01:08:23.000 almost being this strange kind of puppet state where we don't actually know who's in control behind the scenes.

01:08:26.000 And this is something people always speculated might be the case, but then when Joe Biden came along, it just became obvious that at least in this administration, that definitely has to be the case.

01:08:35.000 There's no way this guy's making decisions.

01:08:37.000 He does not know he's the president.

01:08:39.000 I'm sure he forgets half the time, more than half the time.

01:08:41.000 He's completely out of it.

01:08:42.000 I mean, he's in steep cognitive decline.

01:08:44.000 It was pretty clear that there were times when Donald Trump would try to get something done and the bureaucracy itself would be working against him.

01:08:54.000 And they admitted it.

01:08:55.000 And they admitted it.

01:08:56.000 And I think with Joe Biden, it is clear that whether or not Joe Biden says the right thing, the bureaucracy already knows what's going to happen.

01:09:03.000 And he said it himself, they'll get mad at me if I say that.

01:09:07.000 What do they want me to do?

01:09:09.000 He speaks like that regularly.

01:09:11.000 Julie, what do you think about Biden's chances in 2024?

01:09:13.000 Are you going to vote for him?

01:09:15.000 I don't think he's going anywhere.

01:09:17.000 And if he wanted to, there's no way that Dr. Jill will let him leave the White House because she wants to stay First Lady more than I think he wants to be President.

01:09:27.000 There's no way.

01:09:28.000 What do you know about her and her her you know machinations of towards power or whatever? 1.00

01:09:34.000 What do you know she wants to be first lady? 1.00

01:09:37.000 She wants to stay First Lady. 0.67

01:09:38.000 She wants to insulate that family, which they are to a degree. 1.00

01:09:42.000 Obviously, they are because they're still in the White House.

01:09:46.000 I don't see any way to get him out of there.

01:09:49.000 He's not going to leave voluntarily.

01:09:52.000 Look at the way that the Democrats with the straight face, and there's got to be a little part of them that's a little sheepish in saying this kind of stuff, but I mean, recently you saw on MSNBC, someone goes, well, Biden's more articulate than any functioning 45 year old, right?

01:10:08.000 I mean, for someone to say that with a straight face.

01:10:14.000 But with Democrats, they can count on a level of media rationalization, media protection,

01:10:24.000 that will go to insane levels to defend these people.

01:10:30.000 And I think they have gone out of their way to present themselves as, like, the best family they could, partially because they have so much baggage looking at you, Hunter.

01:10:36.000 I mean, look back at Naomi Biden's wedding that got her spread in vogue, and the first picture you see is her and, you know, her grandmother Jill cuddled on the couch.

01:10:45.000 They are trying to say we are this, like, ultimate American family and we are restoring the White House to this nice place.

01:10:51.000 Oh, but I mean, look at the intellectual jujitsu, where you've got a family racket, and then they come out and go, well, I mean, this shows you that this man has just an absolutely immeasurable love for his kid.

01:11:10.000 This Vogue shoot that I'm referencing, it's interesting because it was like right before Tiffany Trump's wedding at Mar-a-Lago, but also, Hunter's nowhere to be seen in it, right?

01:11:17.000 The Bidens are basically trying to pass themselves off as this nice set of grandparents, skip a generation, and then they've got all these granddaughters, forget the grandsons, you know what I mean?

01:11:25.000 Like, it's a weird family and they ultimately do these things to be palatable to the American people, to seem glamorous and desirable and to stay in the White House.

01:11:33.000 So do you think Jill and Joe have kind of like a Bill Hillary thing going on here, where she's actually pulling the strings and he's just the face of the organization?

01:11:41.000 Because he's honestly not a very good face, right?

01:11:44.000 Bill Clinton has many flaws, but he had some charisma, so I could understand why someone like her would attach herself to him. 0.96

01:11:49.000 In the 90s, he was maximally charismatic in the 90s.

01:11:52.000 Still horrible back then, still a horrible man, but Joe was never charming.

01:11:56.000 Joe sniffs children.

01:12:00.000 Joe Biden was very charming.

01:12:03.000 I mean, that's how he got where he was.

01:12:06.000 Oh, that's where he got where he is. 1.00

01:12:08.000 He always seemed like a phony and a blowhard. 1.00

01:12:10.000 Even when I watch old clips of him, he just seems like a phony and a blowhard. 0.99

01:12:13.000 He never struck me as charming, he didn't. 0.89

01:12:16.000 In his younger days, he had a frat boy quality.

01:12:18.000 By the way, similar to Clinton.

01:12:21.000 I think in the Clinton case, Hillary was sufficiently self-aware to realize that she could not make it across the finish line without Bill. 0.97

01:12:31.000 So I think she signed up with Bill early on.

01:12:34.000 She understood that this was a bargain, because it was going to come with a lot of baggage.

01:12:38.000 Bill was going to do his own thing.

01:12:41.000 But Hillary was like, that's okay, because I've got my eye on power. 1.00

01:12:45.000 And in the end, if I become kind of Bill's cover-up man, There are similar conversations had about Jackie Kennedy and JFK, that she was aware of some of his, you know, less desirable qualities, specifically philandering, and that she chose anyways not to seek political office, but generally to seek social capital and power.

01:13:03.000 Interesting.

01:13:04.000 Yes.

01:13:04.000 I want to jump to this story.

01:13:06.000 We have this tweet that Phil had actually retweeted from Yasher Ali.

01:13:10.000 He tweets, over the past 24 hours, thousands of TikToks, at least, have been posted where people share how they just read Bin Laden's infamous letter to America in which he explained why he attacked the United States.

01:13:21.000 The TikToks are from people of all ages, races, ethnicities, and backgrounds.

01:13:24.000 Many of them say that reading the letter has opened their eyes and they'll never see geopolitical matters the same way again.

01:13:29.000 Many of them, and I've watched a lot, say it has made them reevaluate their perspective on how what is often labeled as terrorism can be a legitimate form of resistance to a hostile power.

01:13:39.000 This is not limited to TikTok.

01:13:41.000 Similar videos have been posted on other social media platforms.

01:13:43.000 The Guardian did a copy of Letter to America posted, but once these TikToks went viral, The Guardian took it down, which has only led to more interest in the letter and conspiracies from TikTokers who say this is part of the media and the powers that control it trying to silence the truth. 0.52

01:13:59.000 And my takeaway from this, my personal perspective, TikTok wants to foster a pro-Hamas, pro-terror, anti-West decolonizer.

01:14:09.000 This is why I have been in favor of banning TikTok.

01:14:13.000 Yeah, I don't care, sorry.

01:14:14.000 The free speech, the first amendment, all that, that applies to the United States, and if foreign entities are attacking us and trying to subvert the country, then we do something about it.

01:14:22.000 Maybe banning isn't the answer, but something must be done.

01:14:24.000 And you get these Republicans who are like, they're spying on our data.

01:14:27.000 And I'm like, oh, I don't care about that.

01:14:29.000 I care about TikTok promoting thousands of letters to America bin Laden perspectives on 9-11 to young people.

01:14:37.000 The important thing about TikTok isn't that China may be collecting data.

01:14:43.000 It's that people are being fed information and the like button is such a massive, massive influence on people.

01:14:51.000 If they make And they're algorithms manipulated.

01:14:54.000 We know that their equivalent app feeds very different things to their young people than it does to American young people.

01:15:00.000 That is a huge amount of influence and control to give over.

01:15:02.000 We talk about the fact that you shouldn't send your kids to public schools because you're giving their teachers a sort of unfettered chance to shape their brains, but you buy them a smartphone and let them get on TikTok.

01:15:10.000 And if kids are getting this kind of stuff fed to them all the time, in conjunction with not getting a civics education about how our government works, why things are the way they are, if you tell a kid that we're a democracy from when they're 5 years old until they're 18 years old, and they think we're a democracy, and then there's a president that is elected and doesn't get the majority vote, They're going to think, oh, this is terrible.

01:15:36.000 If they understood how our system works, they wouldn't have this massive negative reaction to it.

01:15:42.000 They'd be like, well, it works this way, and I understand why.

01:15:45.000 The ignorance that people have about our own government, our own fundamental principles that our country is founded on, and how our government works, is probably the worst thing that is going on in the politics today, is the ignorance people have about the way that our system works.

01:16:02.000 Are there riots going on right now at the DNC?

01:16:06.000 Yeah?

01:16:07.000 How about that?

01:16:08.000 The DNC here?

01:16:09.000 You guys want to take a field trip?

01:16:11.000 Is there a pipe bomb there?

01:16:12.000 How far away is it?

01:16:14.000 No, I don't know.

01:16:15.000 I'm just seeing videos.

01:16:15.000 It's not far at all.

01:16:16.000 Yeah, we're like right there.

01:16:17.000 Libby Emmons posted a video.

01:16:19.000 They're fighting cops.

01:16:20.000 They're trying to break into the building.

01:16:22.000 It's happening right now.

01:16:23.000 And now we're going to take IRL live on the street to the DNC.

01:16:26.000 Everyone just pick up your microphone and your own camera.

01:16:29.000 Don't grab your wire.

01:16:30.000 I'm not allowed to go.

01:16:31.000 Yeah, I'm seeing these tweets.

01:16:35.000 Wow, this is absolutely insane.

01:16:36.000 Greg Price tweets, This is currently happening outside the DNC headquarters in Washington.

01:16:40.000 Far-left pro-Palestine rioters are clashing with police trying to enter the building.

01:16:44.000 It's really funny that I'm pulling this up in the middle of our young people are being manipulated into supporting terror.

01:16:50.000 Yeah, you know what, I'll offer a couple thoughts about this, because it actually flashes my mind to, right after 9-11, as you know, TV went off the air, and then the next Monday was the first time it was back on, and I was on with Bill Maher.

01:17:07.000 I was on Bill Maher's show, Politically Incorrect.

01:17:09.000 Had you already been scheduled to be there?

01:17:11.000 I'd been scheduled to be there.

01:17:12.000 What a time!

01:17:13.000 We're a couple blocks away.

01:17:14.000 Yeah, interestingly, another guest was, who was the name of the woman who died in 9-11?

01:17:20.000 Barbara Olson.

01:17:22.000 Barbara Olson was scheduled to be on with us.

01:17:26.000 I'm so glad when I remember things.

01:17:27.000 And so we had this Bill Maher session with an empty chair.

01:17:31.000 But the reason I mention this is that the conversation led to Bill Maher getting fired from the show.

01:17:37.000 And Bill Maher asked me in that show, he goes, Ask him about the terrorists.

01:17:41.000 He goes, would you say that the 9-11 terrorists were cowards?

01:17:45.000 And I said, in my opinion, no.

01:17:48.000 I said, it takes something to be able to fly a plane into a building.

01:17:53.000 Just like if you tell me to get in my car right now and drive into a concrete structure, I'm going to be a little reluctant to do that. 0.57

01:18:00.000 And then Bill Maher went on to say, well, I think our military are the real cowards, because we sit 4,000 miles away and press a button and kill people in other countries.

01:18:08.000 And that got all the veterans against him and so on. 0.87

01:18:11.000 And that's how he got the boot.

01:18:13.000 The reason I mention all this is because in the background was Bin Laden's letter to America.

01:18:18.000 Because Bin Laden makes one point, and I bet you this is what's getting all these TikTok people riled up. 0.96

01:18:22.000 Basically, what Bin Laden says is that in a democracy, there are no civilians.

01:18:27.000 He says, we did 9-11, yes.

01:18:30.000 And he goes, but that's because the American people democratically voted for the governments that have these policies.

01:18:36.000 And so you're asking me, Bin Laden says, to distinguish between military and civilian targets.

01:18:42.000 But what if the civilians are the ones who are putting the elected leaders who have these policies in power?

01:18:48.000 They're consenting to their military.

01:18:49.000 Yes, they are basically themselves part of the problem.

01:18:53.000 I got a video right here, sorry, I'm just watching these breaking clips, where this woman says our own party is attacking peaceful protesters and etc.

01:19:01.000 etc.

01:19:02.000 I can't see how Democrats are going to be able to win next year.

01:19:05.000 The Democrats that think that the Protesters are in their party, are having a wake-up call.

01:19:13.000 And this is something that I've mentioned on the show a lot.

01:19:16.000 There is a difference, and it relates to why I asked you about Barack Obama.

01:19:20.000 There is a difference between leftists and Democrats.

01:19:24.000 Democrats are liberals that are doing bad things because leftists have tricked them.

01:19:30.000 Yes, but so what did we see in 2020?

01:19:32.000 We saw prominent leftist YouTubers and personalities say, vote Biden.

01:19:36.000 And now what we're seeing with with this wave, okay, a year is an eternity in politics.

01:19:41.000 So maybe by next November, this stuff doesn't even play as big a role as we thought.

01:19:46.000 However, What percentage?

01:19:49.000 You guys might know this.

01:19:49.000 Dinesh, you might know this.

01:19:50.000 What percentage of the vote comes from the 18-24 voting bloc?

01:19:56.000 It's low, I know.

01:19:56.000 It's relatively low, yeah.

01:19:57.000 I don't know the percentage, but it's not significant enough to carry.

01:20:01.000 3%?

01:20:01.000 I'm gonna look up.

01:20:04.000 Maybe a little more.

01:20:04.000 Let's look it up, yeah.

01:20:05.000 More! 0.72

01:20:06.000 If the Democrats lost... Well, think of how they won in 2022, college campuses.

01:20:11.000 That's how they won.

01:20:12.000 Let's say it's 5%.

01:20:14.000 If they lost half that.

01:20:16.000 I don't see how they could drop 2.5 points over the Palestine stuff, but I think it'll be more substantial. 1.00

01:20:22.000 I think what we're going to end up seeing now, with these viral videos, you're going to see subversive right-wing accounts targeting the left by replaying clips like this of Democrats attacking pro-Palestine protesters in an effort to fracture the youth vote for Democrats.

01:20:38.000 Interesting question.

01:20:38.000 I mean, the Democrats have three ways to go, right?

01:20:40.000 They can go with the Palestinian, with the Palestine resistors. 0.96

01:20:45.000 That's one way to go.

01:20:46.000 The second way is to go the opposite direction.

01:20:48.000 And basically, the way Biden started out, I'm for Israel.

01:20:53.000 And the third way is to try to accommodate both.

01:20:56.000 They can't do both.

01:20:57.000 They can't do both.

01:20:58.000 And they will not sacrifice AIPAC and the Jewish community.

01:21:01.000 No, they're going to go the way that the soccer moms will vote, because that's who really kind of wins for the Democrats, regardless of... Like, when soccer moms voted for Trump and they voted Republican, the Democrats lost because of it.

01:21:17.000 Your average soccer mom that is a suburban mother that has kids in school, that's the core of the Democrat Party. 1.00

01:21:25.000 And they influence not just them, it's not just them, but they influence the whole household.

01:21:30.000 So I think they're still going to focus... How do you explain the enthusiasm of the Democrats for not just the trans issue, but all kinds of extreme perversion that can't possibly go down very well with soccer moms? 0.74

01:21:41.000 I think that mostly it's leftists that are pushing that stuff.

01:21:44.000 Activists.

01:21:45.000 But why doesn't the Democratic Party go, we want nothing to do with this?

01:21:48.000 Because they've been too afraid to actually stand up and take the heat, because you do have to take heat when you stand up against what amounts to the LGBT lobby. 0.55

01:21:55.000 It's not just, you know, you're not just saying, oh, this is bad, so you're You're taking the fact that it is a mean quote-unquote perspective to say no we should have limits on what kind of stuff can be our children can be exposed to and then to top it off you've got the fact that there's a whole lobby pushing against it.

01:22:15.000 Look, suburban moms are going to vote the way that The View tells them to vote. 1.00

01:22:19.000 Yes, absolutely!

01:22:21.000 I mean, they're not paying close attention to the details of this conflict.

01:22:25.000 I mean, this is my crew, trust me.

01:22:29.000 What The View says, whatever the symbols on Facebook are, that's where they're going to go.

01:22:35.000 So it's going to be propaganda.

01:22:37.000 Yeah, and it's also, I mean, you have to say suburban moms are very conscious of social chic. 1.00

01:22:43.000 In other words, of being acceptable to your... They're still 13.

01:22:45.000 They're still 13.

01:22:46.000 A lot of them.

01:22:47.000 The whole progressive project in the United States nowadays, the whole progressive project is essentially just like luxury beliefs.

01:22:53.000 That's right.

01:22:54.000 You know, these are all first world problems that people are having because our society is so successful, even now with like a downturn in the economy or we're in recession, even though the government doesn't want to want to admit it.

01:23:05.000 But we're still a very successful society, a very wealthy society where we can have luxury beliefs or take time out to do activism and stuff like that.

01:23:15.000 I just want to say Pew Research has, in 2018, 11% of 18-29 year olds were voters, and in 2022 it was 10% of 18-29 year olds.

01:23:20.000 Wait, 10% of the votes they received came from 18-29 year olds?

01:23:21.000 voters and in 2022 it was 10% of 18-29 year olds.

01:23:21.000 Yeah.

01:23:21.000 Wow.

01:23:26.000 So I'll find it.

01:23:27.000 Wait, 10% of the votes they received came from 18-29 year olds?

01:23:30.000 Yeah.

01:23:31.000 Wow.

01:23:32.000 But you said 18-24.

01:23:33.000 Right, so.

01:23:34.000 I'll try and find it.

01:23:36.000 I'll just cut it in half, you're probably right.

01:23:37.000 No, but I think 18 to 29 is the good... That is.

01:23:40.000 Yeah, that's the young demographic that's more likely to be pro-Palestine as opposed to pro-Israel.

01:23:44.000 The older you get, the more it shifts.

01:23:46.000 If they lose half that, what, they lose 5% of their votes, they can't win.

01:23:52.000 That's a 2.5 swing in the general.

01:23:55.000 Trump's already pulling up.

01:23:56.000 Now again, a year is an eternity in electoral politics.

01:23:59.000 I'll try and find 2020 and 2016 because this is obviously a mid-cycle election.

01:24:06.000 Phil, you mentioned this idea of luxury beliefs.

01:24:09.000 I think that's a perfect way of putting it, and that summarizes a lot of the values of the Democratic Party today, and just left-wing individuals, generally speaking.

01:24:15.000 The idea that you have time to get worked up over whether someone's using your they-them pronouns when you're clearly a man or clearly a woman, because all of your basic needs are so readily met that you can meditate on all the ways that you consider yourself to be special, and then be up in arms when other people don't acknowledge that.

01:24:31.000 It's a very real problem.

01:24:33.000 It's a very real problem, and one thing I've also noticed is even when When you're not talking about people who have those specific values or view themselves in that way, I think once people have their needs met, and particularly once they become wealthy, and the wealthier they become, I have found the more of an inordinate, unhealthy emphasis they place on their reputation

01:24:54.000 And I think it gets worse, oftentimes, the more money people have, it becomes more of a temptation.

01:24:59.000 I'm not saying it's always the case, it's just something I've noticed, generally speaking.

01:25:02.000 And so, once your country becomes very affluent, I think this stuff really starts to seep in.

01:25:06.000 It's the typical good times create weak men scenario.

01:25:10.000 Yeah, I think the other element of it is the re-emergence of a kind of aristocratic sensibility.

01:25:18.000 So, the aristocratic sensibility is, I'm riding my horse, and here's a peasant, and he's saying something annoying, and my natural attitude is, shut up, peasant, you shouldn't be able to speak, right? 0.97

01:25:29.000 So, there's an authoritarianism there, which arises out of the idea that I am a superior human being, and an inferior creature has deigned to challenge me.

01:25:39.000 This is like unacceptable on principle, right?

01:25:42.000 So, I think that, because think about it, if it is true that we have these luxury beliefs, You don't need a police state.

01:25:49.000 You could let the Republicans do what they want.

01:25:51.000 No reason to shut them down.

01:25:52.000 No reason to put Dinesh in prison.

01:25:54.000 No reason.

01:25:55.000 Because you've got the media.

01:25:57.000 You've got education.

01:25:58.000 You've got Hollywood.

01:25:59.000 You've got all the big megaphones of the culture.

01:26:02.000 You should be able to beat Trump.

01:26:04.000 But yet they're like, the peasants.

01:26:06.000 Yep.

01:26:07.000 The peasants are not listening to us.

01:26:09.000 That's exactly right.

01:26:09.000 We've got to censor them.

01:26:10.000 I think that's exactly right.

01:26:12.000 And the last time I was on the show, I mentioned something similar, which is that the reason they have to resort to using the legal system is because people no longer trust the media.

01:26:21.000 If they could enforce their hegemony just by saying the acceptable perspectives on television and having people believe them, they would not have locked you up, they would not be threatening and pursuing legal action against Donald Trump and the people surrounding him, they would just assassinate their character in the media.

01:26:40.000 But that doesn't work anymore because nobody trusts the media for good reason, so now they actually have to find these legal solutions.

01:26:46.000 I just want to say, sorry, the Tufts estimates that 50% of 18 to 29 year olds voted in 2020

01:26:54.000 and that's up 11 points from 2016 when they said 39% of 18 to 29 year olds.

01:26:58.000 So it's high, it's much higher during a presidential election year.

01:27:01.000 I feel like that's worth noting.

01:27:02.000 Julie, do you think that what Seamus was saying, when they use the law, do you think that reinforces the message that they're trying to put out?

01:27:12.000 Because I feel like it's a combination of what Seamus was saying, because I do think that's real, but I think that the reason that they went after you, Dinesh, and why they're going after January 6th is to kind of put an extra stamp on of validity to what essentially amounts to bunk charges.

01:27:28.000 Most of the stuff that people at January 6th are charged with, the vast majority of it is garbage.

01:27:33.000 The vast majority of the political prosecutions that we see, the parents in Virginia that were prosecuted, the FBI looking at people, The IRS looking at conservatives, Dinesh here, obviously.

01:27:46.000 These were all things that were essentially fabricated so that the government could use, or so that the government could use the force of government against the private sector.

01:27:55.000 And so, as you point out, the media would be enough, but I feel like the use of the government is to kind of put a stamp on it, like, we've said this, this is the message, and if you get out of line, we will use the government to repair your opinion.

01:28:11.000 Repair it.

01:28:12.000 Obama said at one point, he said something like, you know, we've got all these outlets, but there's a whole group of Americans that we can't reach.

01:28:19.000 And I think what he meant is the Americans who are like on Breitbart, they listen to, you know, War Room and Tim Pool and they read Dinesh's books.

01:28:26.000 So I think the goal, if I think back to my case, what was their real goal?

01:28:29.000 It wasn't incarceration.

01:28:31.000 The real goal was to destroy my career.

01:28:35.000 To sort of disable me and people don't want me to speak, publishers don't want to publish my books.

01:28:40.000 So I realized that early on and I said to myself, at the end of the day, if I can come out of it and my career is bigger than it was before I went in, then I win.

01:28:50.000 If I basically become somebody where I'm now begging to speak and nobody wants me to speak, then they win.

01:28:55.000 And you know what?

01:28:56.000 The fact that you have had success after this is something that at least theoretically could have dissuaded them from trying the same tactic in the future.

01:29:04.000 Unfortunately, I don't think it has as much, but if they were able to just totally destroy your career, I think they would have done this way more.

01:29:11.000 What's your take?

01:29:13.000 I was actually talking to Bevelyn Beatty, who is in police state, and she made a very valid point.

01:29:19.000 She goes, Dinesh, you know, you hired a quarter of a million dollar lawyer.

01:29:22.000 You had Dan Brafman, one of the best lawyers in New York City.

01:29:26.000 You had Megan Kelly.

01:29:28.000 You had Ted Cruz, who went to Donald Trump and asked Trump to pardon me.

01:29:32.000 So she goes, you had resources available to you that January 6th defendants and moms at school board meetings and pro-life activists do not have.

01:29:41.000 And I think we can see the ruthless way in which some of those people's lives have just been stamped down.

01:29:48.000 And it is a message.

01:29:49.000 So, Phil, to your point, I mean, they are weaponizing statutes like obstruction of an official proceeding, 1512c2, which was passed after the Enron scandal, and it dealt with evidence tampering.

01:30:02.000 Well, now it's been charged against more than 300 January 6th defendants.

01:30:06.000 It's a felony.

01:30:08.000 And it's never been used in this way, and you have the DC Appellate Court, who a slim majority upheld the use of this 1512c2 against 300 plus January Sixers.

01:30:18.000 It's one of the counts in Jack Smith's indictment against Donald Trump.

01:30:22.000 But the weaponization of that, what they've done is use that now to criminalize political dissent.

01:30:28.000 So it's moved away from its original intent, which everyone knows what it was, and now it can be used if you disrupt a, you know, proceeding in Congress or any federal government meeting.

01:30:41.000 It won't just be Congress, it will be everywhere.

01:30:43.000 And it will be prosecuted selectively as well.

01:30:46.000 It's not going to be... Of course.

01:30:47.000 Well, Jamal Bowman should have been charged.

01:30:49.000 All of the protesters in the Cannon office building.

01:30:52.000 The people who have disrupted the Senate Foreign Affairs, all of the Senate hearings.

01:30:56.000 All of the rioters during 2020.

01:30:57.000 That too.

01:30:58.000 The single biggest freak out I've seen in the last several days was when Donald Trump

01:31:02.000 said in effect, two can play at this game.

01:31:06.000 And he said, so keep it up guys, but while you're winning, if power changes hands, we

01:31:14.000 can do it to you.

01:31:15.000 And the hysteria over that Trump is admitting that he's an authoritarian.

01:31:20.000 There are people that are already.

01:31:21.000 He's going to do what we're doing.

01:31:22.000 He's going to use his DOJ to go after his political foes.

01:31:26.000 There are people that already have campaign signs.

01:31:30.000 There's someone from New Jersey that's running.

01:31:32.000 I think he's a congressperson in New Jersey.

01:31:34.000 He was talking about how Donald Trump is saying that he's gonna make an authoritarian blah blah blah and he's got a tank in his ad and stuff.

01:31:41.000 I put it up on my Twitter account using the, underneath the picture of Joe Biden when he had the red background and the Marines behind him because I wanted to draw the contrast.

01:31:50.000 But there's already people that are using that exact Exact talking point that you guys just pointed out.

01:31:55.000 They're already using it.

01:31:56.000 It's already in print.

01:31:57.000 Yeah.

01:31:58.000 Did you guys see that widespread story?

01:32:01.000 Raids and concentration camps.

01:32:03.000 The guy in MSNBC said Trump's telling us he's going to build concentration camps.

01:32:07.000 Which he really did not.

01:32:10.000 He said a clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower and so we're working on that t-shirt right now. 0.92

01:32:15.000 It's gonna be Trump with flamethrower to the swamp.

01:32:18.000 Also, again, because Trump is basically saying two can play at that game, all they're doing is projecting here and telling you what they would like to do.

01:32:25.000 What they are doing.

01:32:26.000 They're telling you what they are doing now.

01:32:30.000 It's not a threat anymore.

01:32:31.000 It's clearly happening all around us constantly now.

01:32:34.000 It's okay when they do it, right?

01:32:36.000 It's not okay when anyone else does.

01:32:37.000 And I do think that if it keeps up, there will be a massive shift in the Republican base that will demand the same.

01:32:46.000 Well, they'll get burned out.

01:32:48.000 They will start to say, well, we want revenge, right?

01:32:51.000 Not only do we want revenge, but we recognize that, I mean, if the Democrat is acting like the bully, right? 0.99

01:32:58.000 Every time you see a kid, and the kid wants to be a nice guy, and he wants to make peace, and you bludgeon him, well, then the kid gets five of his friends, and then they go, okay, well, let's ambush the bully, you know, and kick him in the shins. 0.99

01:33:11.000 Because what is the other way to stop this? 0.98

01:33:15.000 Right?

01:33:15.000 Isn't it true that the passivity of the right is provoking the aggression of the left?

01:33:20.000 It goes unfettered.

01:33:20.000 There's no check to them.

01:33:22.000 They are, again, they're totally impossible to pacify.

01:33:25.000 Every single time you try to compromise with them or give them the victory, you're just encouraging them more.

01:33:29.000 I've been saying this a bunch, and everybody that watches regularly has heard me say it, we are living in the logic of Herbert Marcuse.

01:33:29.000 They're insatiable.

01:33:36.000 He wrote a paper called Repressive Tolerance in the 60s, and it essentially boils down to, it's okay when the left does it, and the right must be censored, even at the level of thought.

01:33:49.000 And that's the world that we live in now, and you see it all the time, the way that the law is applied to people with different political opinions.

01:33:58.000 It is clear That it's being applied to conservatives and people that are just outside of what is acceptable opinion.

01:34:08.000 Because you don't have to be particularly conservative, all you have to do is push back against the narrative.

01:34:12.000 We're gonna go to Super Chats, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com to click join us.

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01:34:47.000 But for now, We will read your superchats, and of course, the first superchat we got is Clint Torres, who says, Howdy people!

01:34:53.000 Tim, I used to think the worst part about Star Trek The Next Generation was Tasha Yar dying, but now I've been convinced it's Wil Wheaton.

01:35:00.000 You know, we were just talking about that yesterday.

01:35:03.000 Uh, you know, yeah, sorry, you know, Wil Wheaton, just not... I feel bad for him, because I feel like, you know, not for who he is today, but back then, he gets asked if he wants to play this role, it's supposed to be this super smart kid, and everyone hated the character, and it's probably just... it must suck to get sidelined like that.

01:35:21.000 Anyway, Matthew Hammond says, Tim proposed a beef between himself and Cassandra over Israel.

01:35:27.000 May I recommend the names you call each other?

01:35:29.000 Tim Fentz-Settlerpool and Cassandra Westbanks-McDonald.

01:35:33.000 Haha.

01:35:34.000 Yeah, I tweeted that.

01:35:35.000 I said, hey Cassandra, we should have a fake beef over Israel to generate press attention. 0.99

01:35:38.000 And people were like, are you implying that Ben and Candace are faking it?

01:35:41.000 And I'm like, I'm implying it's generating a lot of attention for them.

01:35:44.000 I'm not- I don't know if they're faking it or not, but I was like, that's the joke, that I would be like, oh, Cassandra, how dare you, woo, and then, you know.

01:35:51.000 Someone said something like, I'm- I am unwilling to call out Ben Shapiro for his obvious, like, failures or whatever, because I'm more concerned with being friendly or friends with him, and I'm like, I barely know Ben Shapiro.

01:36:02.000 We've interviewed him one time, I've talked to him a couple times, and it really just comes down to, I don't know or care enough about Israel to criticize Ben Shapiro for, like, I agree with a lot of what Candace is saying about America First, but I'm not gonna be like, well, here's something I don't know all that much about, and I'm gonna come at you, Ben, or I'm gonna be like, well, I don't know.

01:36:23.000 I think some people do that because they're pretending like they're doing the right thing, but it actually is for the engagement on Twitter.

01:36:29.000 Not everybody, but I think that's sort of where the audience has gotten confused.

01:36:33.000 It's not always genuine.

01:36:35.000 I think also that some of the imputation that sort of Ben is not concerned about America because he cares about Israel, I think that Ben genuinely believes that Israel is the outpost of Western civilization in an extremely hostile region and that the attack on Israel is part of a larger attack on America and the West.

01:36:55.000 I think he believes that sincerely.

01:36:56.000 Yeah.

01:36:57.000 For the most part, I agree with him.

01:36:59.000 You know, Mike Cernovich had a great tweet, I just retweeted it, where he said something to the effect of, imagine if, you see these people that care so deeply about Israel and this, you know, this fervor, imagine if Americans had that same degree of fervor for America.

01:37:12.000 And I'm like, I've been talking about Israel-Palestine derangement syndrome, where people just go to 11 instantly, and I'm like, that's a really great point. 1.00

01:37:20.000 I would love it if people had that fervor for the United States.

01:37:27.000 Unfortunately, what do we get?

01:37:28.000 It's foreign wars or it's nothing. 0.82

01:37:30.000 Yeah.

01:37:31.000 I think it's also the case that in the case of Israel and in the case of Jews, they do have a weapon that is not available, for example, to whites, which is the anti-Semitic weapon. 0.66

01:37:41.000 Because when the left goes, you're a settler, you can play back, you're an anti-Semite. 0.92

01:37:47.000 But let's say someone comes and says, you're a white supremacist. 0.98

01:37:53.000 You say, I have black friends. 0.98

01:37:54.000 I had a black president.

01:37:57.000 What are you talking about?

01:37:58.000 I voted for Obama.

01:37:59.000 There you go.

01:38:00.000 That's my point.

01:38:02.000 I purchased ten of the black paraplegic Santas from Target.

01:38:06.000 Why would you do that?

01:38:07.000 Have you seen this?

01:38:08.000 How is he going to get down your chimney?

01:38:10.000 Target is selling white and black paraplegic Santa ornaments.

01:38:15.000 So it's a black Santa Claus and a white Santa Claus and they're in wheelchairs. 1.00

01:38:19.000 And so people are like, this is getting a little absurd or whatever.

01:38:22.000 My attitude has been like, the market shall provide.

01:38:24.000 If people want to buy this, let them buy it.

01:38:27.000 And I gotta be honest, I want to buy a bunch of them.

01:38:30.000 And I'm willing to bet Target is going to be like, wow, we're selling so many of these.

01:38:34.000 People really love this stuff.

01:38:36.000 Tim's got a point.

01:38:36.000 Supply-side economics.

01:38:38.000 You didn't know that you wanted an iPhone until the iPhone came out.

01:38:41.000 I did not know.

01:38:43.000 I wanted Black Paraplegic Santa until they made it. 1.00

01:38:45.000 Are you suggesting that the Black Paraplegic Santa is going to have the same effect on the economy that the iPhone did? 0.92

01:38:50.000 I can't live without one.

01:38:51.000 I didn't realize I needed it, and now I can't go anywhere without it.

01:38:53.000 What do you think will happen to Santa next year?

01:38:55.000 Like, does he get the cochlear implant next year?

01:38:57.000 Disagreed.

01:38:59.000 Does he, like, transition?

01:39:01.000 I mean, where does this go?

01:39:03.000 I am going to look into a company that manufactures stuffed figurines, or animals, or whatever, and see what we can come up with, and we are going to make the Woke Collection Christmas ornament series.

01:39:14.000 There is some niche Etsy shop that is like, I need to find their email immediately.

01:39:18.000 You know someone has been doing this for a while!

01:39:20.000 There's a bunch of Reddit posts where, like, I tweeted, WTIFF, how is this real?

01:39:24.000 And it's funny because it does show the isolation the left lives in, because the response from all these comments where they were like, I thought Christians thought this, I thought the Bible said this, and I'm sitting here like, I'm not a Christian, like, why are they assuming?

01:39:36.000 Because they don't know anything about me.

01:39:38.000 They're probably wrong about what the Bible says, too.

01:39:40.000 And they're saying things like, haha, Tim Pool is so mad about the- MAD!

01:39:40.000 Oh, for sure!

01:39:43.000 I'm having a blast, I wanna buy a bunch of them!

01:39:46.000 They don't know anything about how I feel, I'm super excited for it!

01:39:49.000 If you want to really flummox them, what you do in all these situations is you attack them from the left. 0.91

01:39:54.000 Because, if you think about it, if you're a black paraplegic Santa, you have two claims to intersectionality. 1.00

01:40:01.000 You're black, that's number one, and you're paraplegic, that's number two. 1.00

01:40:05.000 But that still leaves three or four. 0.93

01:40:07.000 So you're saying they should make an accompanying Mr. Claus to keep Paraplegic Santa company? 1.00

01:40:13.000 Either that or you create a group that wants to boycott the black Paraplegic Santa on the grounds that he's not diverse enough.

01:40:20.000 And then right away Target is now, now they're going to have to get on a Zoom call.

01:40:24.000 They're going to make the Mr. Claus companion figurine.

01:40:28.000 Poor Santa.

01:40:28.000 No, look, look.

01:40:29.000 I'm legit, I want to buy a bunch of these, but I would rather do our own Timcast collection and have a variety of options, like maybe, you know, veteran... Focus.

01:40:39.000 Well, sure, we could do a focus, but I mean, like, making semi-real and semi-fake ones, just going all across the board with it.

01:40:45.000 Elves that have seen brutal war and combat and, you know, PTSD-triggered characters.

01:40:51.000 The reindeer are having a rough time.

01:40:53.000 Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff.

01:40:55.000 It is interesting as a strategy for Target to get conservatives to break their boycott, right?

01:40:59.000 Like, make a ridiculous item so they hate buy it.

01:41:02.000 Someone had to have known. 0.84

01:41:03.000 I don't know.

01:41:04.000 They are pretty tone-deaf, though.

01:41:05.000 It's impossible to tell.

01:41:06.000 I mean, that's almost the genius behind it.

01:41:08.000 Target's not looking to break the boycott anyways.

01:41:10.000 They hired someone for their... They have an LGBT department, apparently, now.

01:41:14.000 Which aisle is that?

01:41:15.000 I think they already had that.

01:41:16.000 I don't know, but the person they hired is definitely someone that conservatives would likely frown upon considering the history there now.

01:41:23.000 We got Jackie Octavius says, Your conversation about homelessness kind of surprised me.

01:41:23.000 Let's read some more.

01:41:27.000 It makes sense, though.

01:41:28.000 I'm living out of my truck for work, super cheap.

01:41:31.000 The conversation we were having, which has now come up again in Super Chats, is that many of these leftists seem to think that you can take a homeless person, put them in a house, and problem solved.

01:41:38.000 However, the issue is that that's technically the truth.

01:41:41.000 However, that only applies to homeless people who are homeless by unfortunate circumstance and are desperately trying not to be.

01:41:47.000 Whereas the reason you never encounter that is because if somebody loses their job and gets kicked out, they instantly go to a shelter and say, I need help, and within a week or two, they are placed somewhere and not homeless anymore.

01:41:57.000 I love that.

01:41:58.000 That's great for the nonprofits.

01:41:59.000 But the people we see on the streets in San Francisco and in Sacramento and Los Angeles and many other places, Chicago even, they are people who do not want to be in buildings.

01:42:08.000 They want to be homeless.

01:42:09.000 So there's no real solution to that except for, I guess, forceful removal or like blocking of the homeless.

01:42:16.000 I wanna know when the non-profit starts to get all of the millennials and zoomers doing van life houses, you know? 1.00

01:42:22.000 They start being like, you guys technically qualify as homeless, we'll help you get a house!

01:42:25.000 And then they look like they're doing a good job, because those people would probably give it up easily.

01:42:28.000 I'm not your... Sorry, I'm not your buddy guy says, Dinesh, you did an amazing job with Police State, and I gotta say, even as a Canadian, I was moved by that ending.

01:42:37.000 We are in dark times indeed.

01:42:39.000 So the ending he's talking about, and it actually is thanks to Julie here, Julie in the movie talks about the fact that the January 6th prisoners sing the Star Spangled Banner at 9 p.m.

01:42:50.000 in an act of defiance and patriotism.

01:42:52.000 So at the closing of the movie I say, in honor of the January 6th political prisoners and political prisoners around the world, this is actually, I say, and then we have a scene where you have one guy in a cell And he starts to sing, and then a second guy joins, and a third guy joins, into a kind of a resounding chorus, but there's a sadness to it.

01:43:14.000 And I think that's what really moves people.

01:43:16.000 It's the Star Spangled Banner rendered in a combination of triumph and mourning.

01:43:24.000 That's how the movie ends.

01:43:26.000 Alright, Ian says, Shimcast is the best, not this Timcast BS.

01:43:29.000 Thank you, I appreciate that.

01:43:32.000 Ugh, I cut my mic again.

01:43:33.000 This is censorship!

01:43:34.000 No, I did it to myself.

01:43:35.000 Here's the thing, I don't just want you to compliment me, I want you to degrade my friends.

01:43:39.000 In every nice comment.

01:43:40.000 Graham in media says Crowder must be loving this, waiting for his show.

01:43:44.000 Crowder is going to start his show with an ish eating grin and one arm on the table and he's going to be looking at the camera smiling.

01:43:51.000 Something like that.

01:43:52.000 That's what I predict.

01:43:54.000 Alright, alright, here we go.

01:43:56.000 The Dude Abide says, I like the Daily Wire, I like Ben, but I'm siding with Candace.

01:44:00.000 A lot of Ben's content has been fanatical as of late with the current conflict, understandably.

01:44:04.000 He shouldn't have snapped at Candace on social media.

01:44:07.000 A lot of people I see on Twitter are saying Ben doesn't have the support group to pull him back a little bit, because he's the big guy.

01:44:14.000 He's the boss.

01:44:15.000 He's got one of the biggest podcasts.

01:44:16.000 He's the biggest conservative podcaster.

01:44:19.000 I'm pretty sure his show is bigger than basically any other conservative podcast.

01:44:22.000 So, you know, that may be.

01:44:24.000 That may be.

01:44:25.000 But look, man.

01:44:27.000 The dude didn't get where he is by being bad at what he does.

01:44:30.000 I don't think this is going to be the biggest thing impacting The Daily Wire or Ben Shapiro.

01:44:34.000 That's why when people are like, why won't you call out Ben, or why aren't you telling Cassandra she can't say these things?

01:44:39.000 And I'm like, dude, in three months we're going to be talking about a new book that came out and was put in schools.

01:44:43.000 America matters substantially more to me than what's going on in Israel, but I'll always pretty much be an anti-intervention and America first. 0.97

01:44:50.000 If you listen to Ben's show, like, it's not a surprise.

01:44:53.000 His attitude towards this, like, it is completely predictable.

01:44:57.000 He's always been pretty hawkish when it comes to Israel, so, I mean, if you don't like that, that's understandable, but, like, it shouldn't come as a surprise to people that Ben's acting like this.

01:45:11.000 Sarge, if this is your fault, you're fired.

01:45:13.000 No, I'm just kidding, it's me.

01:45:15.000 I want to skit on what's happening in the Daily Wire HR department right now.

01:45:18.000 Like, what kind of mediation they're trying to come out with.

01:45:21.000 Some Zoom calls there, yeah.

01:45:25.000 Alright, let's grab some more Super Chats.

01:45:27.000 What do we have here?

01:45:29.000 Um, what is this?

01:45:30.000 Michael Beacon says, so crazy DaPap followed the state's Christmas list of groups and figures they hate, despite living in a house with BLM and Antifa signs all over it.

01:45:30.000 What is this?

01:45:38.000 How about that?

01:45:39.000 And then he also got on the stand and described in great detail his conspiracy to go after other people who are completely unrelated to his crime, as if to implicate him further for some reason.

01:45:39.000 How about that?

01:45:49.000 We get it.

01:45:51.000 Alright, what do we got?

01:45:53.000 Triton54 says, can we please get a cartoon where Candace interviews for a position with TimCast, The Young Turks, Shoe on Head, and Ladder with Crowder?

01:45:59.000 Ooh, there might have to be a cartoon about this whole ordeal.

01:46:02.000 We've got, so, tomorrow's cartoon's gonna be hilarious, and we have one planned for next week, too, for Thanksgiving, but...

01:46:08.000 If people are still talking about this, if people are still talking about this by the time we have to do another tune, I definitely want to try to figure out an angle for it.

01:46:16.000 Seamus and I were colluding on a Christmas one.

01:46:18.000 Yeah, there's this idea that I had that I kind of pitched to Tim and then he was coming up with ideas for it and we were riffing on it.

01:46:24.000 It's super funny, but I don't want to spoil it.

01:46:27.000 That's why I was bringing Seamus to the show.

01:46:30.000 Yeah, he was.

01:46:33.000 We'll talk more about it after the show, but it's going to be super funny if we can do it.

01:46:37.000 That's when Hannah Clare yelled at us. 1.00

01:46:39.000 Yeah, Hannah Clare was being very rude. 1.00

01:46:40.000 Well, I'm just here to keep order here on Brimcast.

01:46:42.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:46:43.000 Excuse us?

01:46:43.000 Let's read some more.

01:46:44.000 Ethan Helm says, Candace confidently but wrongly said Muslims can only live in one area of Jerusalem, so Israel doesn't seem like a very free place to her.

01:46:52.000 I think this is the pseudo-intellectualism Ben is mad at, not so much about her questioning on U.S.

01:46:57.000 involvement.

01:46:58.000 No, I agree.

01:46:59.000 I think, you know, Candace has said a lot of things that are... Basically, what people are saying is that when she posts a Bible verse, we know what she's referring to when she said, "'Blessed are the peacemakers.'"

01:47:11.000 Right now, contextually, it sounds like she's basically saying, "'Cease fire,' or something to that effect, for which Ben is like, "'Okay, dude, I know what you're doing.'"

01:47:20.000 It is what it is.

01:47:21.000 Or, I mean, interestingly, when I first saw that post, and admittedly, I haven't been following, like, the blow-by-blow, I interpreted it completely differently.

01:47:30.000 I actually interpreted that Candace was trying to mend fences with Ben, and that the blessed of the peacemakers are like, let's not let this get out of hand.

01:47:37.000 I took it that way, but I now see the possibility of reading it in the AOC way, which was... Wouldn't it be so brutal if Candace was actually trying to make a statement about not wanting to be mad with Ben? 0.73

01:47:51.000 That's actually a fair point.

01:47:52.000 Perhaps what she was saying was, she saw the clip from Ben who said, it's disgraceful, and then she said, what am I supposed to say to Ben?

01:47:59.000 And someone was like, nah, bless the other peacemakers.

01:48:01.000 I'm going to tweet, bless the other peacemakers.

01:48:03.000 Thinking that she was basically saying, I will not get into a fight with you over this.

01:48:06.000 And then he got into a fight with her over it!

01:48:09.000 And then Shapiro tweeted back, First Timothy 2.12.

01:48:13.000 It was the verse I had brought up earlier.

01:48:13.000 Which is?

01:48:18.000 It's actually about women not teaching in church.

01:48:21.000 I don't need your whinging and explanations and pitter-patter.

01:48:25.000 I'd like you to read it.

01:48:27.000 It's going to get the show taken down. 1.00

01:48:29.000 So, it's 1 Timothy 2.12, I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man. 1.00

01:48:34.000 She must be quiet.

01:48:35.000 That's in the Bible.

01:48:36.000 But the context of it is, Paul is writing to Timothy at the church in Ephesus about practices in church, and this is basically something that means women are not supposed to be in the role of a cleric.

01:48:47.000 They're not supposed to be teaching in church or giving homilies. 0.95

01:48:52.000 It's how Seamus told me in Catholicism to stop talking.

01:48:57.000 But he wasn't going to take my great advice that he solicited.

01:49:00.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:49:01.000 He told you to hush and Catholic. 0.98

01:49:03.000 He texted me first, asked a question, then told me to shut up.

01:49:06.000 I just want to be clear, so as to not give scandal, the point is not to say women can never teach or never teach people about the gospel.

01:49:11.000 It's just that I'm not allowed to say anything.

01:49:12.000 And it's to say they're not supposed to teach, they're not supposed to be priests, they're not supposed to give homilies.

01:49:16.000 This is the public-facing shameless answer.

01:49:19.000 I'm just saying!

01:49:19.000 As soon as the cameras go off, it's a totally different thing.

01:49:23.000 We got a good super chat here from Paul Taskelos.

01:49:25.000 He says, Daily Wire has proven Crowder was right.

01:49:28.000 He broke the biggest story of the year, the Trans Manifesto, which Facebook, Instagram, YouTube censored.

01:49:34.000 Under a Daily Wire contract, Crowder would have been financially penalized for the best journalism of 2023.

01:49:38.000 That is a very, very interesting point.

01:49:43.000 That was in January when this stuff went down, and the contract he showed, or it was a terms sheet, it wasn't the full contract, it was basically like, are we going to agree to these things, said that he would lose money if he got suspended or banned or anything like that.

01:49:59.000 That would mean that... He couldn't have done what he did.

01:50:02.000 He would have had to have come forward and say, okay, we're... well, to be fair, he already lost money.

01:50:07.000 By releasing this and getting these videos taken down, he's gonna get hit all the same, but it would negatively impact his entire contract, which is probably more money, contract-wise, than straight-up advertising-wise, right?

01:50:18.000 He can find ways to make up lost revenue in that regard, but if his contract is his contract and it penalizes him, there's no other... there's no increase.

01:50:24.000 Yeah, I mean the economic model of The Daily Wire is to pay you very well for five years and to lock you into a pretty long duration and then moneyball style to increase the value of your brand in that time so that there's a huge financial premium and it makes a lot of sense.

01:50:43.000 I mean it's a very smart business from their point of view.

01:50:45.000 And then when you leave, they've built your brand up.

01:50:47.000 They've built your brand up and you can take it with you, absolutely.

01:50:50.000 It's reminiscent of what record labels do.

01:50:52.000 Yeah, I mean a record label takes a band that they think that's got something going and they add money and promotion and advertising.

01:51:00.000 The band goes out and however long the contract is, some are better, some are worse, but after a few records or whatever, if you survive as a band and become a viable entity, you can get off, you can decide to not sign another deal and you've got a career that you've built.

01:51:14.000 The record label, your career, would not be the same without the record label almost every time.

01:51:22.000 Like, there are some bands that hit it off and do stuff without record label backing, but most of the time, bands wouldn't get to the level that they get to without the record labels in the very beginning.

01:51:32.000 But how would you know about this?

01:51:33.000 You failed musician?

01:51:35.000 You know, 20 years of losing is what it is.

01:51:39.000 But it's a very, very different era these days.

01:51:42.000 And so one of the most difficult things is, we want to do a bunch of projects.

01:51:46.000 We go to someone and say, how would you like to, like, hey, we've seen your work, it's really good, would you like to do this job?

01:51:50.000 And they go, why?

01:51:52.000 Well, because we'll pay you money and you can do it.

01:51:54.000 I'm on YouTube, I'm on Instagram, I'm already making money.

01:51:54.000 I don't need it.

01:51:56.000 I've got a Patreon, I've got a, you know, subscribe, so I've got my own website.

01:52:00.000 And I'm like, fair point.

01:52:02.000 That's absolutely it.

01:52:03.000 There's a very prominent YouTuber I was talking to who said that he does all the work by himself for the most part, and his staff is mostly like administrative paperwork and stuff like that.

01:52:11.000 And I said, wouldn't it be easier if you just hired like a camera operator or something?

01:52:14.000 And he was like, man, the amount of money you have to pay to get someone good enough to do the job is insane, because you have to pay them more than they could make on their own by doing social media.

01:52:23.000 Which is then, I'm going to lose money by doing it.

01:52:26.000 That's one of the things I talked about.

01:52:27.000 Yeah, I mean, it used to be that you had, and I think back just to my early career, when I was at AEI, the brand was AEI.

01:52:34.000 The brand was National Review.

01:52:35.000 So the individual value of a writer at the National Review was very low outside of that club.

01:52:42.000 The key was to be in the club.

01:52:45.000 But now the brand is the individual.

01:52:49.000 And so as a result, you have individual brands with then a kind of ancillary staff that enables the individual to shine out front.

01:52:59.000 It's very celebrity oriented.

01:53:00.000 This is why I'll give a shout out to Tenet Media.

01:53:03.000 We're doing the Culture War podcast now officially at Tenet, Friday mornings, and I don't want to speak too much about their business, and I think in time more will come out, but basically the general idea is bringing together a whole bunch of personalities, and it's effectively a massive cross-promotional independent network that I think is going to be really, really epic.

01:53:21.000 Betty Johnson, Dave Rubin, me, Taylor Hanson, Lauren Southern, and a bunch of other people.

01:53:25.000 Super excited.

01:53:26.000 Matt Christensen, shout out.

01:53:28.000 We actually need a lot more of this, because what happens, and a film is a good example of this, is that we're not big enough for the film to travel on its own.

01:53:38.000 It needs allies.

01:53:39.000 One reason I went to Dan Bongino, I mean, people go, well, you went to Dan Bongino because he's a former MIPD officer and he's a Secret Service agent, and I go, yeah, but he also happens to have a massive following, and so teaming up with Bongino takes my following and takes Dan Bongino's following, and now we've got a viable movie, whereas otherwise I'm traveling all on my own.

01:53:57.000 Right.

01:53:58.000 Combining forces is important.

01:53:59.000 So the thing with Tenet, and I'll just say, with like Reuben and Benny Johnson, they're massive forces on their own, as is Timcast.

01:54:07.000 And people are like, why would you do a show with a different network?

01:54:10.000 Because when Benny puts out a documentary, and we put out a Culture War, then the people who watch Culture War and don't know Benny will then see his documentary, and the people who watch his documentary but don't watch us will then see us, and our company still exists.

01:54:20.000 It is created, effectively, like a supergroup band.

01:54:24.000 So, uh, that's how I kind of thought about it.

01:54:26.000 When you have, you know, these big bands and then a bunch of different members form, like, a traveling Wilbur's or something, I was like, I think this could be wildly beneficial for everybody involved.

01:54:35.000 So when it came together, I was like, this is awesome.

01:54:38.000 I mean, I see right here, this is the formula for getting, for becoming bigger than Fox News.

01:54:43.000 Because Fox News, at one point, was the pathway for every conservative book.

01:54:50.000 And then when Fox News sort of took a kind of curved road, everyone was left helpless, including us.

01:54:57.000 I mean, our earlier films, we were massively promoted on Fox News, and then they decided, because they're scared of election fraud, don't mention 2000 Mules, and it now carries over to Police State.

01:55:06.000 Not a single Fox show, not a single Fox host has mentioned the movie.

01:55:11.000 Fox is scared of a lot of stuff.

01:55:12.000 They're very selective about who to vote for.

01:55:14.000 Yeah, so it creates a pressing need to build an alternative empire that is bigger than Fox.

01:55:19.000 And this may well be the recipe, or at least the start of the recipe, to do it.

01:55:24.000 I've mentioned this on the show before, but It's almost as if at this point what's happened is CNN tells you what you're supposed to believe and then Fox tells you what you're allowed to believe.

01:55:35.000 So if you don't believe what CNN believes, you don't buy it all.

01:55:37.000 Okay, well there's this other like limited category of things you can believe but we don't love it.

01:55:42.000 Then once you're outside of the Fox territory, now you're like a totally radical, conspiracy theorist.

01:55:48.000 Are you familiar with NewsGuard?

01:55:50.000 I've heard of them, sure.

01:55:51.000 The verification site, right?

01:55:53.000 Yeah, we use them.

01:55:53.000 All of our articles, whenever we read a story, is NewsGuard certified.

01:55:57.000 And the reason we do it is, despite having serious issues with them, is something fascinating happened when they were trying to rate TimCast.com and our news sources, and they said that one of the stories we published, a couple of them, were fake news.

01:56:09.000 And so, you know what?

01:56:10.000 I emailed them back.

01:56:11.000 Here are NewsGuard-certified sources that we used for the basis of this story.

01:56:16.000 If your own certification is not good enough, then by what criteria can we determine whether or not something is true or false?

01:56:22.000 And they immediately had to backtrack and say, okay, well, it's true.

01:56:24.000 And it was like a Hunter Biden laptop thing that many in the mainstream media were trying to claim was disinformation.

01:56:29.000 And so what's happening now, they are being sued by Consortium News.

01:56:33.000 Real Clear Politics just published this big article about what's going on.

01:56:38.000 I believe right now, it's relatively cursory, but I believe Any organization that has ever, in any way, worked with, complied, or altered their news at the request of NewsGuard should be severed from any kind of public funding.

01:56:51.000 NewsGuard should be not allowed to contract.

01:56:55.000 So what happened is, according to this lawsuit, the Pentagon has actually contracted NewsGuard for verification services, which means you now have a government-funded entity which is determining what is true or false in the public sphere.

01:57:08.000 Like we saw with the Election Integrity Partnership, this is crossing the line and violating the First Amendment.

01:57:13.000 And I will clarify, Tim Kast has told NewsGuard, we will comply with your ethics standards for a good rating.

01:57:21.000 I said, sure, yeah, absolutely fine.

01:57:23.000 Like, I have no problem issuing corrections.

01:57:25.000 However, NewsGuard told us, because we ran a couple articles quoting Donald Trump, we were irresponsible and would receive a strike for it.

01:57:34.000 And even if we corrected them, there was no correction.

01:57:39.000 Our stories were fact-based.

01:57:40.000 Donald Trump holds rally, says paragraph.

01:57:43.000 He did.

01:57:44.000 And they said, yeah, but what he said in there was not true.

01:57:45.000 And I said, well, that's fine.

01:57:46.000 We weren't reporting on what he said.

01:57:48.000 We were reporting on the subject matter.

01:57:50.000 We were reporting on his rally and his quote.

01:57:52.000 And they said, because we didn't fact-check him, we were irresponsible.

01:57:55.000 And so then I said, okay, then we will include that fact check and then we'll do moving forward.

01:58:00.000 They said, we don't care.

01:58:01.000 You're irresponsible. 0.96

01:58:02.000 We're going to give you a strike. 0.97

01:58:03.000 Meanwhile, Consortium News pointed out that with 20,000 articles, NewsGuard had no problem except for six articles and gave them a strike down to 49%.

01:58:11.000 So, I just want to say this right now.

01:58:14.000 I'm hoping that every single news outlet that has been labeled by NewsGuard Begins the process, or however we do it, of a class action lawsuit for widespread, massive First Amendment violations and defamation, libel, etc.

01:58:30.000 I mean, look at the extent of the police state thuggery involved, right?

01:58:34.000 I mean, it's almost like in the old dictatorial regimes, it was really simple.

01:58:39.000 In the Nazi regime, you have Minister of Propaganda Goebbels.

01:58:43.000 He issues the press release and everybody has to say the same thing.

01:58:46.000 And if you don't, you're going to be arrested.

01:58:48.000 Our police state, I mean think about it, the censorship industry involves academia, the media, it involves the non-profits, the digital platforms, innumerable agencies of the government all operating in this kind of like an octopus with like eighteen tentacles.

01:59:07.000 So rooting it out becomes more difficult because you can't just get rid of gerbils.

01:59:12.000 You've got to sort of go into this thing and just like Pull it apart!

01:59:17.000 Well, I think that's, too, why there was such intense blowback to any contradictory reporting about January 6th, because they really believed that no one was going to challenge that narrative, that everyone was going to fall in line, this was an insurrection, it should result in the end of Donald Trump and the entire MAGA movement.

01:59:37.000 They really thought, and I mean the corporate media still is going along with that, so whenever you post something or write something that exposes Something that they're covering up or not reporting on.

01:59:49.000 They are hysterical because they really thought after that day they would impeach him.

01:59:54.000 They would have the committee.

01:59:55.000 Everyone, and a lot of Republicans, did fall in line.

01:59:59.000 And now their whole narrative is collapsing.

02:00:01.000 And so they're really struggling to maintain it, keep it together.

02:00:05.000 That's why they keep arresting people.

02:00:07.000 They need to keep it in the headlines.

02:00:10.000 They try to save the essence.

02:00:13.000 Before 2000 Mules, my last film, it was deafeningly asserted in every media outlet that the 2020 election was the most secure election in US history.

02:00:25.000 As I went out talking about that movie and raising simple questions like, well, if it was the most secure election in history, where's the comparison of the amount of fraud between 2020 and, let's say, 2016, 2012, 2008?

02:00:37.000 Show me that comparison that someone has done showing me that the 2020 election had the least amount of fraud.

02:00:43.000 Not only has that never been proven, it's never been, to my knowledge, attempted.

02:00:47.000 And they said, please stop talking.

02:00:48.000 We said it was right.

02:00:50.000 But then notice that after the film, That slogan has quietly dropped out of sight.

02:00:56.000 They just don't use it anymore.

02:00:58.000 It's like, okay, you got us on that one.

02:01:00.000 We're not going to say it.

02:01:01.000 We're not going to take it back.

02:01:02.000 We're not going to apologize.

02:01:04.000 We're just going to not use that one anymore.

02:01:06.000 But we'll try to preserve the central idea that claims of election fraud are baseless.

02:01:11.000 That's their favorite word.

02:01:12.000 They're baseless.

02:01:15.000 Not enough to change the election.

02:01:17.000 There was some, but not enough to change the election.

02:01:19.000 The Election Integrity Partnership, or whatever it was called, so we're now seeing that there was direct government involvement in trying to suppress opinions.

02:01:26.000 They called me a super-spreader of information, and my position has been exactly as you described.

02:01:33.000 Bill Barr said there was fraud.

02:01:34.000 I think people have pointed out a lot of instances of fraud, but I don't know how many of these lead to the actual, this election should have gone the other way.

02:01:41.000 The most important thing is that a judge listens to the lawsuits from Donald Trump and his team, and they're adjudicated properly on the merits.

02:01:47.000 That's always been my position.

02:01:50.000 What I've always said is, it doesn't matter what you think happened or who should have won, Biden won.

02:01:54.000 Why?

02:01:54.000 He's in the White House.

02:01:56.000 So if you think they played dirty, I agree with you, they played dirty.

02:01:58.000 The shadow campaign, all that stuff that's been in the press.

02:02:02.000 My position has always been like, well, here's a lawsuit.

02:02:04.000 I wonder what the judge will say.

02:02:05.000 For this, the government colluded with universities to silence my speech, lying about what I was saying.

02:02:12.000 The mere thought that Donald Trump would simply ask the question in court and ask a judge to run the merits was so threatening to them that this is insane to learn this.

02:02:21.000 The government, we had, who was it on the show last week?

02:02:24.000 They said, you know that you're in these documents, right, Tim?

02:02:26.000 And I know that they released a report that included my name, and I got smeared in the press by all over the place, and I was shocked to see this list that came out, putting in like the top 15 or whatever super spreaders of misinformation, because I'm like, but hold on!

02:02:37.000 All of my sources are certified by NewsGuard.

02:02:40.000 I never said Trump actually won the election, not once.

02:02:43.000 The mere thought that you would be like, oh okay, let's see Trump's argument, that was too much.

02:02:48.000 You had to say in every way, Trump's wrong and he's lying, and if you didn't, The government came after you.

02:02:54.000 But we'll wrap it up there.

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02:03:15.000 And a lot of people are like, it's not that far to drive.

02:03:17.000 We have about an hour to an hour and a half drive back.

02:03:20.000 And then I gotta be up at 7 in the morning again.

02:03:21.000 So I'm sorry guys.

02:03:23.000 We wanted to come down here.

02:03:24.000 And it's far, I'll say.

02:03:26.000 It's not that bad, it's just by the time I get home and go to bed, I've got to wake up at seven in the morning, so it's like we better head back.

02:03:31.000 We should cut somewhere in the week.

02:03:32.000 I want to do an after show, you know.

02:03:34.000 Well, we're going to do what we've got to do, but it's okay because Seamus is back and he's going to be here tomorrow.

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02:03:46.000 Dinesh, do you want to shout anything out?

02:03:48.000 Yeah, PoliceStateFilm.net is the website.

02:03:54.000 We're being blocked on Amazon and Walmart, so that's the place you can stream it to your big screen TV, you can buy DVDs, very good for gifts.

02:04:02.000 This is a movie that will shake you up, so I urge you to watch it.

02:04:07.000 Julie, do you want to shout anything out?

02:04:09.000 I'm just going to back up what Dinesh said.

02:04:11.000 Check out the movie because it is pretty mind-blowing.

02:04:13.000 Are you on X or anything?

02:04:14.000 Can people follow you guys?

02:04:15.000 Yes, I'm on X, Twitter, Julie underscore Kelly 2, my substack declassified with Julie Kelly, all my reporting on Jan, on January 6th.

02:04:24.000 And my book on January 6th.

02:04:25.000 I just do think it's funny that everyone says I'm on X now because of Elon Musk.

02:04:29.000 Twix.

02:04:30.000 I'm on X, baby.

02:04:31.000 Is that what it is?

02:04:32.000 It's still weird.

02:04:32.000 I don't like it.

02:04:33.000 I still say Twitter.

02:04:35.000 I don't know.

02:04:35.000 I feel like I go back and forth.

02:04:37.000 Well, X doesn't really have a verb, right?

02:04:38.000 I mean, you still say I tweeted it out.

02:04:40.000 Yeah, you tweeted it out.

02:04:41.000 I posted, I X'd.

02:04:43.000 But you guys know what it means to be on X. Yeah, it's just a card to me.

02:04:47.000 You can't really say I X'd because it kind of sounds like I'm on X. You know, I've got to mention, I was skateboarding earlier with Taylor Silverman and she was practicing a trick and I said, if I explained what you were doing on social media, I'd get banned because of the terminology used by skateboarders.

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02:05:10.000 So, uh, the same word you would use to describe the transmission of a car, a slang term, which you can't say on social media because it's a slur, is a term used in skateboarding.

02:05:19.000 So, skateboarders bust fat lines, or they do fat lines, right?

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