Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - BLM Activist CONVICTED For Role Inciting January 6th Riot At Capitol w-Dave Smith

00:00:00.000 BLM activist John Earl Sullivan has been convicted for his role in incitement on January 6.

00:00:13.000 That is right.

00:00:14.000 This is a BLM far-left activist.

00:00:16.000 And the funny thing about it is, we all know, the media has in the past reported on his activities.

00:00:21.000 We know that he was a frequent attendee and organizer for many leftist rallies.

00:00:26.000 We know that on video he's cheering for what's happening at the Capitol.

00:00:30.000 And now we've got the corporate press saying he's an anti-establishment activist.

00:00:35.000 Right.

00:00:36.000 Because now they're trying to deflect from the fact that he's a Black Lives Matter supporter and that was basically what it was all about.

00:00:42.000 He even said in the, uh, there's video of him from the, from that day where he's saying, I don't, I'll be on anybody's side if they're going to tear it all down, yada yada yada.

00:00:50.000 So that's going to be interesting, how we see liberals and the left respond to this, considering, well, for a long time, a lot of conservatives said there were antifa, there were leftists there.

00:00:59.000 Now it's one guy, so we'll see.

00:01:01.000 But we also got to talk about what's going on with TikTok, because this is a wild story that's been going off since yesterday.

00:01:06.000 TikTok has been promoting videos where leftists say they read Osama bin Laden's letter to America, and that they believe he was correct.

00:01:16.000 I don't think any of these people actually read the thing, because he's basically lamenting how US foreign policy is preventing Sharia law from taking hold on the planet, and how he wants all of the West to come to Islam.

00:01:26.000 And I think if they actually read, maybe even like the first paragraph, where Osama Bin Laden says that you have to abandon fornication, homosexuality, gambling, and usury, they might be like, wait, I don't know if we agree with this guy, but sure enough, now we're getting news that TikTok is going to start banning all of these things.

00:01:41.000 So it's a wild story.

00:01:42.000 We'll definitely talk about that in a whole lot more.

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00:02:34.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more, we got Dave Smith!

00:02:38.000 What's up?

00:02:39.000 Good to be back.

00:02:40.000 Who are you?

00:02:41.000 I am a stand-up comedian, a podcaster, a soldier in the Ron Paul army, and a destroyer of loomers.

00:02:51.000 You had a debate with Laura Loomer the other day.

00:02:53.000 I did.

00:02:53.000 It was a fun time.

00:02:55.000 Thank you.

00:02:56.000 Shout out to Zero Hedge for putting that thing on.

00:02:59.000 It was a fun time, and Zero Hedge is a cool publication, so it was cool to do.

00:03:03.000 It was like the first in a debate series that they're launching.

00:03:06.000 It's cool they're doing it.

00:03:06.000 Yeah, that's great.

00:03:07.000 Plus we got Clint Russell hanging out.

00:03:09.000 Clint Russell, host of Liberty Lockdown, co-host of Tower Gang, co-host of The Best Political Show.

00:03:14.000 Over on Rumble with Luke Rutkowski, if you can believe it.

00:03:17.000 Can't be that good.

00:03:18.000 It's pretty good!

00:03:19.000 Actually, it's the best, Seamus.

00:03:21.000 I know Potato Man doesn't believe me, but it's true. 0.83

00:03:23.000 Yeah, we just signed a deal with Rumble.

00:03:25.000 We're very grateful for that, and you guys can actually check us out.

00:03:28.000 We're gonna have Jackson Hinkle on this Sunday, 6 o'clock.

00:03:31.000 Don't miss it.

00:03:32.000 Just search WeAreChange, all one word, on Rumble.

00:03:34.000 You'll love it.

00:03:35.000 I don't know, that Luke guy sounds foreign.

00:03:37.000 Not that I have issues, I actually like Polish people.

00:03:41.000 That's why I'm so disappointed by him.

00:03:42.000 I actually really love Polish food.

00:03:43.000 Polish people are- they really are. 0.56

00:03:44.000 Not that I have issues- I actually like Polish people.

00:03:47.000 It's- that's why I'm so disappointed by him.

00:03:49.000 I actually really love Polish food.

00:03:51.000 Nah, like, Polish food...

00:03:53.000 It's- it's the best.

00:03:54.000 A lot of what they do.

00:03:55.000 Poland's fantastic.

00:03:57.000 Well, Seamus is back again.

00:03:58.000 I'm a cartoonist.

00:03:59.000 Yes, my name is Seamus Coghlan.

00:04:00.000 Also, I've been on Clint's show, and it is very, very good, actually.

00:04:04.000 Enjoyed it very much.

00:04:05.000 So I will concede that, but that was before the new co-host.

00:04:09.000 I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.

00:04:11.000 We create animated cartoons about politics and the culture war.

00:04:14.000 We released a cartoon today that I'm super happy with.

00:04:18.000 Everyone working on it, their talents shined through.

00:04:21.000 I think it's one of the funniest videos we've made.

00:04:23.000 And it's a parody of those Red Pill guys who will find a beautiful young couple on a date and be like, what are you bringing to the table?

00:04:32.000 And it's a fun one.

00:04:34.000 Yeah, Tim got to see it while it was in progress the other day.

00:04:38.000 So if you guys want to check that out, go over to Freedom Tunes on YouTube, subscribe, hit the notification bell.

00:04:43.000 I love y'all, I'm looking forward to a good show!

00:04:45.000 Did they record the debate between you and Laura Loomer?

00:04:48.000 Yeah, Zero Hedge put it out on their Twitter or X feed or whatever, and I think Laura Loomer put it out on her Rumble.

00:04:58.000 I'm going to be moderating the next Zero Hedge debate.

00:05:01.000 So that'll be with, uh, I don't know if it's official who it is yet or what it's on, so I'm not going to mention it now, but it's going to be- Trump vs. Biden!

00:05:01.000 Oh yeah!

00:05:07.000 It's going to be in the next couple weeks, and as soon as I get the green light that it's all confirmed and everything, I'll start telling everybody what's what, but keep an eye open.

00:05:13.000 Could you imagine Ian moderating a debate between those two?

00:05:16.000 Like, he would just ask them questions, they had no idea what was going on, they'd be like, I don't know what to answer.

00:05:20.000 What's your graphing policy?

00:05:21.000 Did you guys have a moderator?

00:05:23.000 Yeah, we had Adam from Patrick Pat Davids.

00:05:29.000 He was great too.

00:05:29.000 Yeah, I love Adam.

00:05:30.000 He's a great guy.

00:05:31.000 And so yeah, he did he did a very good job.

00:05:33.000 Well, we got that checking it out.

00:05:35.000 We got Serge pressing the buttons.

00:05:36.000 Yes, I'm here.

00:05:37.000 It's good to see you Dave and good to see you too as well Clint.

00:05:40.000 And also to see you too Seamus.

00:05:42.000 I didn't know you'd be here today.

00:05:44.000 Yeah, it's great seeing you as well, man.

00:05:44.000 I know.

00:05:45.000 Yeah, cheers. 0.64

00:05:46.000 Anyways, let's get into it, guys.

00:05:47.000 Here's a story from the post-millennial far-left BLM activist John Sullivan, convicted on all charges in the January 6th case.

00:05:54.000 Sullivan said he was only at the Capitol to document the event.

00:05:57.000 This is really interesting because he's a prominent BLM activist who was there.

00:06:01.000 During court testimony, he said he was only there to document.

00:06:03.000 I was only observing.

00:06:04.000 I followed the crowd.

00:06:05.000 I'm here to document.

00:06:06.000 Sullivan's testimony was followed up by prosecutors who played multiple videos of Sullivan urging on the mob, which included a self-declaration to make Trump supporters f-ish up.

00:06:16.000 I'm gonna side with anyone who is ready to rip this ish down, Sullivan said in one video.

00:06:21.000 I brought my megaphone to instigate ish, he said in another video.

00:06:26.000 NBC News reports that prosecutors portrayed Sullivan as an anti-establishment activist who had the goal to burn it all down.

00:06:33.000 Now I have to wonder, Here's NBC News saying, anti-establishment activists sought to incite Trump supporters on January 6th, DOJ argues.

00:06:40.000 But of course, I want to make sure we can bring up John Earl Sullivan's Wikipedia page.

00:06:44.000 He's got one.

00:06:44.000 Where they mention, he organized and participated in protests relating to Black Lives Matter.

00:06:49.000 Though a few other BLM organizers explicitly disavowed him.

00:06:52.000 I don't think that matters.

00:06:53.000 That's what his ideology was.

00:06:55.000 They say he entered the Capitol and accidentally broke a window.

00:06:58.000 He repeatedly shouted encouragement to fellow writers, and they go on to outright outline the things that he does, and ultimately his claims of being a journalist.

00:07:07.000 I believe CNN paid him, what did they pay him, 50 grand?

00:07:11.000 Something like that, for his footage.

00:07:12.000 Had him on TV.

00:07:14.000 Here's what's fascinating.

00:07:16.000 Here's why I think they're not calling him far left.

00:07:18.000 For one, there's absolutely, NBC News, they're super biased.

00:07:22.000 But we're talking about a federal charge here.

00:07:25.000 I'm curious actually, I believe it is DC, right?

00:07:29.000 Are you going to convict a Black Lives Matter supporter on January 6th by telling a jury that this guy was a Black Lives Matter supporter?

00:07:36.000 And so the strategy of the prosecutors is, if we go to the jury and say he's BLM, they acquit him.

00:07:41.000 And if they acquit him, then they gotta quit everybody.

00:07:44.000 Well, so he's just being- the charges are being brought against him, right?

00:07:48.000 He hasn't been convicted.

00:07:49.000 Convicted on all counts.

00:07:51.000 Oh, he was convicted.

00:07:52.000 Okay, my mistake.

00:07:52.000 Okay, and then, do you have- does it say anything about, like, what obviously hasn't been sentenced yet, but what type of jail time he's looking at for this?

00:07:58.000 Uh, well, here's the interesting thing.

00:08:00.000 I mean- Because breaking a window is what that, uh, the Proud Boy or whatever got- that got him, like, 50- Fifteen, seventeen years or whatever it was.

00:08:08.000 And the argument was that they were like, well, by breaking a window, this wasn't just, oh, you broke a government window.

00:08:15.000 It was you created an opening for a mob that would then be trying to overthrow the government.

00:08:21.000 So I'm just saying, what?

00:08:23.000 Because for the record, whatever this guy's armed, well, whatever this guy was armed under the knife.

00:08:29.000 And they even point out that he drew the knife in on the house.

00:08:33.000 Wait, wait.

00:08:34.000 He drew his knife as riders were trying to breach the house floor.

00:08:36.000 Well, I didn't realize this guy was a hero.

00:08:38.000 I'm just kidding.

00:08:39.000 I'm just kidding.

00:08:39.000 That's a joke, YouTube.

00:08:40.000 It's a total joke, and I don't mean that literally, but, you know, get my point.

00:08:43.000 Anyway, well, I'm just saying, what, like, I, because if they're going, first off, if they're going to throw the book at this guy in that way, I still would think that's insane, as I do with all the January 6th protesters.

00:08:55.000 What's really interesting about this is the question of, which I don't know if it's clear, What is this guy, hey, I'm just so anti-establishment, I'mma burn it all down when there's Black Lives Matter rally guy, and I'mma burn it all down when there's J6 type guys, or is this what I think a lot of the right-wingers were more suspicious of initially after January 6th, that this is somebody who's trying to make the pro-Trump movement look bad 0.82

00:09:21.000 By instigating all of them to do something that then could be spun as like, yeah, look how horrible the pro-Trump people are.

00:09:28.000 Because if Black Lives Matter was disavowing this guy before the January 16th even went off, he might have been, it's a kill two birds with one stone situation where he's like, you know, I can F the government and I can get all these people thrown in jail and get them to commit crimes. 0.86

00:09:28.000 Could be both. 0.86

00:09:42.000 And then I can, you know, do away with two.

00:09:45.000 He just sounds like a radical that went too far.

00:09:46.000 I don't know if you guys remember this, but prior to January of 2021, the left was not shy about openly embracing insurrectionist rhetoric.

00:09:54.000 I remember during the BLM rides, there were left-wingers who were saying, all these right-wing hypocrites spent years saying they have the Second Amendment to rebel against tyranny and overthrow the U.S.

00:10:02.000 government, and now that the government is just indiscriminately killing unarmed black people, which is of course a lie, but that's what they were saying, these right-wingers won't rise up against this state.

00:10:11.000 And then as soon as January Sixth, 2021 happens. 0.97

00:10:15.000 Oh my gosh, insurrection is the most serious problem in this country and we need to call these people traitors and throw them in prison.

00:10:21.000 So it wouldn't surprise me that you actually might have a left-wing activist saying, yeah, I'll join with these right-wingers, try to overthrow the government or try to instigate right-wingers to overthrow the government.

00:10:29.000 I want to crank this thing all the way up to 11 right now, if I may, and just say civil war.

00:10:34.000 Alright, everybody's been waiting.

00:10:35.000 I haven't said it in a few months, so I feel like it's due.

00:10:38.000 But no, let me explain.

00:10:39.000 I don't literally mean to say Civil War, but I'd like for you guys to give me your thoughts on... The other day, we saw David DePapp testify.

00:10:45.000 This is the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi.

00:10:47.000 In his testimony, he claimed that he was a leftist who was radicalized by right-wing conspiracy theories watching YouTube.

00:10:53.000 Of that he included me, Glenn Beck, James Lindsay.

00:10:56.000 The Nationalist OSA made a good point that this is a narrative where they go to them and say, they go to these people who are being charged like the J6ers and say, blame Trump, blame the right and do this. 0.99

00:11:04.000 I think there's a really simple reason why that's the case.

00:11:07.000 You're in San Francisco.

00:11:09.000 You are in the bluest of blue and the defense says to you, listen.

00:11:14.000 You will not win because you attacked Paul Pelosi.

00:11:17.000 However, the best sympathy you will get is if you claimed you were radicalized by the far right and that you, you, oh no, what have they done to me?

00:11:26.000 It's the evil right that did it.

00:11:28.000 Try and earn some sympathy in that way.

00:11:30.000 The reason why they're arguing this guy in a federal case in D.C.

00:11:33.000 is anti-establishment and not far left, once again, is for that exact same reason.

00:11:38.000 Now, what happens is, You are getting through these high-profile cases in San Francisco, I'm seeing these people post saying, oh look, James Lindsay, Tim Pool, Glenn Beck, oh they radicalized this guy, it's a lie, it's nonsense.

00:11:51.000 But it's creating that terrifying boogeyman, it's creating that bifurcation.

00:11:56.000 If prosecutors in high-profile cases are going to keep playing this narrative of Donald Trump is radicalizing people to extremes, Anytime someone commits some kind of extreme act, even a BLM supporter, they're going to blame the far-right or the quote-unquote far-right.

00:12:11.000 They're creating a narrative that young people who are entering the political space will believe we live in this world.

00:12:18.000 So real quick, as an example, It's a really interesting point that you bring up.

00:12:22.000 Can I just say, like, because I think that's such a good point and such an interesting thing to focus on, because, like, as a libertarian, one of the things that we talk about a lot is that, like, look, we don't think government should be in the business of kind of micromanaging culture and things like this.

00:12:36.000 But you also recognize that you need other forces, like, you need kind of a virtuous culture in order for that to work.

00:12:43.000 And I think one of the things I've been thinking this a lot like since all these uh, these insane indictments have been

00:12:48.000 coming Down against donald trump when you look at like kind of the

00:12:51.000 landscape of current day america You go, how could a guy like donald trump ever get a fair

00:12:57.000 trial? I mean if you have a jury trial with donald trump Whoever the jury pool is it's like a 50 50 shot that they

00:13:05.000 either think he is jesus or satan And how could, how could anyone who has either one of those opinions ever be an honest juror?

00:13:13.000 And I think kind of the point you're making here is that like, look, in the reality today of a modern jury trial with the polarization of the country and this white hot culture war, you almost, yeah man, if you're on trial in San Francisco, It's almost like the only way to tailor your defense is to try to have it something that hugs a left-wing sympathy.

00:13:33.000 Let me add to what you said.

00:13:34.000 You said 50-50.

00:13:36.000 Let's say 33-33.

00:13:37.000 Sure, sure.

00:13:37.000 But no, no, no.

00:13:38.000 Here's what I mean. 0.99

00:13:39.000 33% are going to say Trump's Hitler, 33% are going to say Trump is good, and 33% are going to say, holy crap, I better side with the left, otherwise Antifa's going to show up to my house and beat me to death. 0.99

00:13:47.000 Fair enough. 0.86

00:13:48.000 But it's an interesting point, right, because people who are charged in relationship to January 6th are because of activities they engage in on January 6th are tried in Washington, D.C.

00:13:58.000 as if that's a jury of their peers.

00:13:59.000 I'm sorry, if you came from Arkansas, D.C.

00:14:01.000 leftists are- that's not a jury of your peers.

00:14:03.000 That's people- The jury of your enemies.

00:14:05.000 Exactly.

00:14:06.000 People with a specific political bias who hate you and your way of life.

00:14:09.000 I mean, think about what you're saying here.

00:14:09.000 Hold on.

00:14:12.000 Other Americans are your enemies! 1.00

00:14:15.000 Oh boy.

00:14:17.000 Not other Americans, people in Washington D.C.

00:14:20.000 Let's be clear about this.

00:14:21.000 I get it, but the genuine sentiment is, if you are from... Look, I brought this up yesterday when we were talking about the DPAP thing.

00:14:28.000 We had a legal issue against a major corporation.

00:14:30.000 And my lawyer said, okay, well, if you sue in California or New York, you'll lose.

00:14:34.000 The Democrat judge is already going to hate you, Tim Pool.

00:14:37.000 And outside of that, they're going to be way more pro-corporate, and they're not going to care about your rights.

00:14:41.000 You sue in West Virginia, you're going to win overnight. 0.99

00:14:42.000 Why?

00:14:43.000 Well, you're in West Virginia, they like you, Tim Pool!

00:14:45.000 And I'm like, is that really all that it is?

00:14:47.000 Yes.

00:14:49.000 Selecting the proper venue is like one of the most important things, especially today, if not the most important thing.

00:14:54.000 I have a bit of a different angle on this.

00:14:55.000 I think that the real concern that I have is that you have these commentators that are being categorized, like my friend Tim here, along with James Lindsay and others, that they're trying to kind of lay out the groundwork for this stochastic terrorism argument where you're being, you know, pushed into radicalism by people who are just speaking freely and then you're now in some way, what's the word, exculcated?

00:15:23.000 Basically your personal responsibility is removed because you've been inspired by this radical Tim Pool or Alex Jones or whatever and it just really, because of where we're at.

00:15:35.000 That's a real thing.

00:15:36.000 They've come at you before with that, what was the other, that Young Turks chick tried to like come at you about how Some shooter liked one of your videos or something like that? 0.94

00:15:45.000 No, not Young Turks, I'm sorry, my mistake, it was George M. Cedars.

00:15:48.000 So that was the guy in Texas who on his Facebook had posted four screenshots of one episode and one specific portion of one episode and it actually showed he wasn't a subscriber.

00:15:59.000 Which is such a crazy thing because when you have a show like, look, like you have a show like with this size audience, but you've built up a very big platform here.

00:16:08.000 The idea that any one person who one time liked one clip on this, you're now on the hook.

00:16:15.000 It's literally, it's almost on the level of like, well, this mass shooter watched Friends.

00:16:19.000 It's insane.

00:16:20.000 I mean, I think obviously Ross and Rachel are the reason why he shot up there, but the other thing about it that's crazy is that Phoebe was the one that radicalized me.

00:16:30.000 I'll tell you, she's the one.

00:16:32.000 On that show, she was the one.

00:16:33.000 But like, if you actually kind of live in this world of... Like, I do consider myself to be a radical, politically speaking.

00:16:41.000 I'm pretty radically outside of what the current status quo is.

00:16:45.000 But when you're in this world, it's kind of my good friend, Michael Malice, good friend of the show,

00:16:50.000 he used to always say, and I really loved this, when he would go, I hope left-wingers understand

00:16:55.000 that the NRA are the moderates on this issue.

00:16:59.000 Because it really is like, if you're not in that world, I know they paint it as like, that's like the crazy extreme.

00:17:04.000 The NRA is up there like, all we need to do is enforce existing gun laws.

00:17:09.000 And you're like, wow, that's so extreme.

00:17:11.000 And you're like, extreme?

00:17:12.000 Like I'm- The Constitution is like, shall not infringe.

00:17:14.000 Yes, but the point is that if you're actually talking about a radical show, like a show,

00:17:19.000 and I'm not even, not radical in the way I am, I'm radically like, non-violent and peaceful.

00:17:24.000 If you were talking about a show that was going to amp you up to go like, murder people,

00:17:29.000 this is not that show.

00:17:30.000 Well, let me ask you something.

00:17:31.000 There's crazy people out there on the internet, and this is not that.

00:17:34.000 Real quick question, do you think individual citizens have the right to keep and bear biological weapons?

00:17:39.000 Bye.

00:17:40.000 well We're getting a little out there with biological weapons.

00:17:44.000 I'd say... Hands down, unequivocally, yes.

00:17:45.000 I'd say, well, it depends on what the biological weapon is, how it's... I mean, uh... I... It depends on exactly what your definition of that is.

00:17:51.000 Nuclear weapons.

00:17:52.000 I draw my line at nukes.

00:17:53.000 I do.

00:17:53.000 Uh, no, I'm just kidding.

00:17:54.000 Uh, well, you... No, look, I think if you were to have... This is a serious question.

00:17:59.000 I will say unequivocally the Constitution guarantees our right to keep and bear arms.

00:18:03.000 It doesn't define what arms are.

00:18:05.000 Private citizens to this day own nuclear weapons through their corporations and back then owned warships.

00:18:10.000 Nothing's changed.

00:18:11.000 So right now to this day it's not even controversial to say except in these podcasts liberals get shocked that I would say this and I'm like do you think Raytheon is a government operation?

00:18:20.000 Yes, no look so in that case you're absolutely right there could be an argument made that if you were if you were Possessing chemical weapons and were keeping them like in a in a very risky way that could hurt a lot of other people Then you should be maybe liable for the fact that you're putting other people people at risk. But in theory, in theory, I would tend to

00:18:40.000 agree with you.

00:18:41.000 This is the argument they make about proper gun storage and stuff like this. Like you can only

00:18:44.000 have a gun if it's separate from the ammo and in your trunk and not in your, you know, not in the

00:18:48.000 same compartment.

00:18:48.000 Yeah, so then the question is where you do draw the line.

00:18:50.000 But at the same point, if you had a gun that you left out, that the difference between like a nuke

00:18:55.000 or chemical weapons and a gun is that a nuke, if you're just keeping it in a way where it could

00:19:00.000 just detonate at any moment, is actually a threat to other people. Whereas a gun, someone actually has

00:19:04.000 to pick it up and point the trigger and shoot at. Anyway, I'm all for no restrictions.

00:19:09.000 Brandishing a weapon.

00:19:11.000 If you're like waving it around at people on wrongly.

00:19:13.000 Yes.

00:19:14.000 So you could you could think maybe there's a don't try to out anarchist me.

00:19:18.000 I will say, let me just I'll just say real quick, I do agree with the sentiment.

00:19:24.000 Obviously, I don't want the government regulating any weaponry that I can own.

00:19:27.000 However, I go the opposite direction where I say humanity ought to be working towards nuclear disarmament, broadly speaking, so I'm not interested in having civilians have them. 0.98

00:19:35.000 I'm more interested in getting the federal government to have far less.

00:19:38.000 The goal should be to disarm federal governments.

00:19:41.000 That should be the goal.

00:19:42.000 Yes, I think every person on the planet should have a nuke, perhaps a MIRV with, you know, a 12 warhead MIRV, and because a nuclear-armed individual, an individually nuclear-armed society is a very polite society.

00:19:53.000 I'm kidding, I am kidding.

00:19:54.000 Extraordinarily polite.

00:19:55.000 Extraordinarily.

00:19:56.000 Or glowing.

00:19:57.000 Either way.

00:19:58.000 Have you read John Lott's book, More Nukes, Less Crime?

00:20:01.000 It's good.

00:20:02.000 A lot of good stats in there.

00:20:04.000 Anyway, what were we talking about before I decided to ask about that?

00:20:07.000 January 6th.

00:20:08.000 We were talking about the courts and how the courts have basically turned into, if you're in a conservative district, you know what?

00:20:14.000 A leftist is going to get a fair trial.

00:20:15.000 Not as fair as, like, it's hard to say fair-fair.

00:20:19.000 A leftist in a conservative district is going to get a decent trial.

00:20:24.000 A conservative in a leftist trial is going to get tarred, feathered, strung up for jaywalking or farting. 0.74

00:20:30.000 Donald Trump could fart in public and they're going to get him on some nonsense and lock him up.

00:20:35.000 The truth is that leftist dogma is so much a prerequisite for all of academia at this point.

00:20:42.000 If you have to rely on any institution for your freedom, you're in a lot of trouble at this point.

00:20:49.000 In academia, obviously, now in the judiciary as well.

00:20:53.000 It's not getting any better, either, because they have had a hundred years of infiltration into these, you know, mind-creation institutions.

00:21:01.000 So, yeah, we have an uphill battle.

00:21:03.000 Well, I think, like, the only caveat, and I agree with what you're saying, Tim, I think there is a point there that it's not equal, kind of, on both sides.

00:21:11.000 But I guess part of the difference there, too, is that, look, there is, let's say, in right-wing or red America, I think there is a tremendous amount, and I would argue justifiably, but a tremendous amount of resentment towards, say, the political establishment, particularly the Democratic Party establishment.

00:21:30.000 So the thing is, I don't know that in this moment of this hot culture war, I don't know that Hillary Clinton could get a fair trial in Rural Alabama, but the thing is that Hillary Clinton is 1.00

00:21:43.000 never gonna face charges in rural Alabama, right?

00:21:46.000 Like the federal government or different state governments or different like if there were some like

00:21:51.000 Conservative financier who's financing, you know conservative prosecutors doesn't it's never

00:21:57.000 Right, this just doesn't exist.

00:21:58.000 And Hillary Clinton isn't going to ever be put in that situation, whereas Donald Trump will be on trial in New York City, in Washington D.C.

00:22:07.000 And so that is a part of the asymmetry also, is that the entire ruling base of the establishment is on one side of this culture war.

00:22:16.000 Exactly.

00:22:16.000 You know, people say like, oh, the red pill is that people who have information that will lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton die.

00:22:21.000 Actually, the red pill is no amount of information will ever lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:22:26.000 There is nothing you could show anybody that would ever result in a woman seeing a day in court. 0.98

00:22:29.000 Yeah, that's just a giant cope.

00:22:30.000 Yeah, that's a big cope that you think at the end of this, you know, whatever the QAnon crazy is. 0.96

00:22:34.000 Oh, no, he's in charge the whole time!

00:22:36.000 Trump's still in power, and Jack Kennedy's coming back to arrest him.

00:22:39.000 Now, hold on.

00:22:39.000 Roseanne has a standing bet with Michael Malice, two of them.

00:22:42.000 One is that there will not be an election, so we're looking forward to that, and that there will be military tribunals by the end of the year, which I don't know if you're talking about this year or what, but, you know, we'll see.

00:22:52.000 She is right about everything.

00:22:54.000 But, you know, to be honest, she made a good point, though, because I asked her to clarify on this.

00:22:57.000 I said, are you saying we all just skip election day, the TV says no elections, or are you saying that something changes the election fundamentally to the point where it's a sham like North Korea's elections?

00:23:07.000 Well, if that's the case, we didn't have an election in 2020. 2016!

00:23:11.000 Or 2016!

00:23:11.000 I'll say, and I say this disclaimer, I love Roseanne, I consider her like a comedy icon, and every time I've met her, I'm giddy in the room that I'm even in her presence, and she's just hilarious and so great.

00:23:27.000 Perhaps a little bit more of a serious voice on this topic is Colonel Douglas McGregor, who also said he is, I don't know exactly what he said, but he basically said that he is very concerned that there will not be a democratic election in 2024.

00:23:42.000 Now I'd like to hope he's wrong about that.

00:23:47.000 He wasn't wrong about Russia winning.

00:23:49.000 Can we break down what does that mean?

00:23:51.000 Does that mean, and this is the important question we had with Roseanne, Does that mean there's no polling stations?

00:23:56.000 The TV just says you're not voting?

00:23:58.000 Or does it mean it's going to be Donald Trump removed from the ballot and then 75 million people feel like they're not allowed to vote at all because of this?

00:24:06.000 Well, I don't know.

00:24:06.000 I mean, I have no idea.

00:24:07.000 It's not my prediction.

00:24:09.000 But I think what if I remember correctly, this was on Patrick David Show.

00:24:12.000 He said this.

00:24:13.000 Colonel Douglas MacGregor, that is, who's been right about a lot of stuff over the last 20 years.

00:24:18.000 And I think he was basically saying that some type of emergency is going to be declared.

00:24:23.000 And that that is going to, it's going to be used as an excuse to like postpone indefinitely the next election.

00:24:31.000 Now again, I'm not claiming this is going to happen, but I will say that if that sounds crazy to you, just take a step back, look at the last three and a half years in America, and go look, a lot of things sound crazy.

00:24:42.000 The idea of lockdowns would have sounded really crazy in 2019, and you know, that happened.

00:24:48.000 If you talk to yourself from 2014, you're like, all right, so here's what's going to happen.

00:24:51.000 Donald Trump's going to be elected president, and then the deep state's going to try to unseat Donald Trump when he's the president of the United States, because he's trying to dismantle the industrial military complex and get us out of all of these foreign wars.

00:25:01.000 And then what's going to happen is there's going to be a virus that was created through research funded by the United States that'll be released, and everyone's going to be locked in their homes, and the economy's going to crash, and we're going to have rampant inflation, and then people are going to be debating whether the election was still—you'd be like, what are you talking about?

00:25:14.000 But also the FBI and the CIA— We'll be working against Donald Trump the entire time.

00:25:18.000 They'll be lying to him about troop counts in Syria.

00:25:20.000 We'll have a bunch of different fronts for World War III.

00:25:23.000 Yeah, this is all going to happen in the next five years.

00:25:25.000 Let me pull this up.

00:25:26.000 We have this from Zero Hedge.

00:25:27.000 I don't think we'll ever get to the 2024 election, Colonel Douglas McGregor, retired, warns.

00:25:32.000 And this is the gist of it.

00:25:34.000 Uh, so let's see.

00:25:35.000 I think, oh, I think that's it.

00:25:36.000 Does he usually make bombastic claims like this?

00:25:38.000 He's on the PBE podcast.

00:25:39.000 No, no, no, this is not, he is not like, uh, he's not the type of guy to just say wild things to get a reaction.

00:25:45.000 This is a serious guy.

00:25:47.000 This is like a highly decorated colonel in the military.

00:25:50.000 He was McMaster's boss at one point in the military, and then just like, he kind of turned against all of the wars.

00:25:56.000 I believe he drew up the plans for battle with Russia if we were to ever go to war with Let me read this.

00:26:02.000 They first, in the Zero-Dodge article, break down who he is.

00:26:04.000 is they say. Bet David laid out how he thinks 2024 will play out. He says,

00:26:08.000 Newsom will go around defending Biden, selling Biden's record, have him constantly attack DeSantis.

00:26:13.000 If Biden doesn't step down, have mainstream media attack him. Once Jill notices the NSA attacks,

00:26:17.000 have a private meeting with Biden, sharing strategy to save face, multiple documentaries

00:26:21.000 showing him as a modern FDR.

00:26:22.000 Massive Simon & Schuster book deal.

00:26:24.000 Defendant's legacy.

00:26:24.000 Step 5.

00:26:25.000 Choose one of the few options to step down.

00:26:27.000 Due to health.

00:26:27.000 Jill and I prayed about it.

00:26:28.000 We've fixed everything.

00:26:29.000 Trump broke.

00:26:30.000 We're out.

00:26:31.000 Step 6.

00:26:31.000 In order to prevent Kamala from backstabbing, let her become the first female president for a split second, then step down.

00:26:36.000 Divide his hands in Trump.

00:26:37.000 Newsom becomes 47.

00:26:39.000 Step 8.

00:26:39.000 Iriada.

00:26:40.000 In response to this, McGregor went dark.

00:26:42.000 Beginning by noting that, first of all, I think it's brilliant, and I think that if we're living in a linear world, in other words, when one event follows the next logically, you're absolutely right, but I don't think we'll ever get to the 2024 election.

00:26:55.000 I think things are going to implode in Washington before then.

00:26:58.000 From there, it gets more ominous.

00:27:02.000 I don't know that I disagree, and one of the reasons is, which we'll get into a little bit later, is TikTok pushing the Osama bin Laden letter to America, and having a bunch of Gen Z leftists claim that Osama was incorrect.

00:27:14.000 Again, we'll talk about that in a moment, but I'm just saying the political divide in this country is so psychotic right now, to the point where Like we already mentioned, if you're being criminally charged in a liberal district, your best bet is to say Trump made you do it.

00:27:29.000 No matter what it is!

00:27:29.000 Shoplifting?

00:27:30.000 I was watching this video about Donald Trump and he told me to do it!

00:27:33.000 Please help!

00:27:33.000 Help!

00:27:34.000 I'm a victim of the guy you hate!

00:27:36.000 Listen dude, I'll say still to this day, and you Tim, you've done some incredible things in your career, but if I had to pick still to this day what I'd say I think your greatest moment was, was still Jack Dorsey, Rogan, with the Rogan.

00:27:50.000 Because it was just such an incredible thing.

00:27:52.000 Everything lined up where, like, first, if you remember, Jack Dorsey went on Rogan, and they didn't have a very confrontational argument.

00:27:59.000 And it's literally, to this day, the only Joe Rogan experience episode where I ever saw, like, Joe's audience really upset with him.

00:28:07.000 And as great, and this is a credit to Joe, you know, full disclosure, he's a friend of mine, but a credit to him is he was like, okay, I hear you.

00:28:14.000 Let's run that back with someone who's critical of them.

00:28:17.000 But you had the point to them, and people could accuse you of being hyperbolic, people could accuse me of kind of the same thing, but you had that moment to them where you were like, and I don't remember your exact words, but you were like, you guys don't realize what you're playing with here.

00:28:31.000 Like, you don't realize the game you're playing.

00:28:33.000 And you're like, I'm getting a van and, like, gonna be bringing my- and, like, I'm, like, really concerned about, like, you provoking a civil war in this country.

00:28:42.000 And, okay, it's not like we've had a civil war exactly since then, but look, we are- we know we're all flirting with it.

00:28:48.000 This is a real thing that- When people make these kind of dire warnings, I understand it's easy to go, oh, that's kind of crazy.

00:28:56.000 But look around at this country, man.

00:28:58.000 We are flirting with a lot of very insane possibilities.

00:29:01.000 Time travel test.

00:29:03.000 Go back to, what was it?

00:29:04.000 Was it 2018 or 2019?

00:29:06.000 When I was on with Jack Dorsey, Vijay and Rogan, it might have been 2019.

00:29:10.000 It was 2018.

00:29:10.000 2018.

00:29:10.000 It was 19.

00:29:12.000 Was it 19?

00:29:12.000 Yeah.

00:29:13.000 Go back to that year and tell people If I went back, and everything I said was vague, predictive, like, this country is headed towards civil war, I'm getting in a van, I'm building a van with solar power, getting ready to bug the F out, and they're laughing, like, haha, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. 0.63

00:29:31.000 Now go back and say, since then, for the first time ever, a sitting president has been indicted in multiple jurisdictions.

00:29:37.000 January 6th, just January 6th alone.

00:29:40.000 I had Ryan Long came here on the show.

00:29:43.000 Love Ryan Long.

00:29:43.000 He's fantastic.

00:29:44.000 I was just thinking about him yesterday.

00:29:45.000 One of the first things he says when the show goes live is he goes, Tim, you told me there was going to be a civil war.

00:29:49.000 What happened?

00:29:50.000 I thought you were getting me all hyped up.

00:29:51.000 I was really worried when I left.

00:29:53.000 And then I said, a thousand Trump supporters stormed into the Capitol and disrupted the Electoral College vote count.

00:29:57.000 And he went, oh.

00:29:58.000 Well, I mean, and even the riots of 2020.

00:30:01.000 I mean, the fact that we had the longest sustained riots causing billions of dollars of property destruction that same year.

00:30:08.000 So this is the important thing to understand is, you know, going back to something like that debate, what we're seeing with Twitter, we're seeing The hyper-polarization of Twitter, the rules they were creating, the narratives they were swinging, and the bifurcation in American culture, and that's the point I was making, like, you guys keep doing this.

00:30:29.000 You are creating two distinct universes, and what I could see at the time and what I can see now is like a blur.

00:30:37.000 It's like, if anybody wears glasses, you know exactly what I mean.

00:30:40.000 Your glasses are off, and you see a strange shape in front of you, and you can't exactly define it, but you're like, there is a person walking towards me right now.

00:30:46.000 You put your glasses on, you can see it clearly.

00:30:47.000 If I had glasses, I could see the future.

00:30:49.000 But I'm saying, what we're witnessing right now, as Phil Labonte says, what's the off-ramp?

00:30:55.000 If we're now seeing, in these January 6th cases, Confess and say Donald Trump made you do it, or you're done.

00:31:03.000 We're seeing Enrique Tarrio getting 20 years.

00:31:06.000 He wasn't even there.

00:31:07.000 But more importantly, since that point, we've had the Summer of Love rides, the worst rides in 50 years, 30 plus deaths.

00:31:13.000 We've had a guy gunned down in the street in Portland.

00:31:15.000 We've had multiple autonomous zones.

00:31:18.000 I can't even begin to stress how we've normalized this.

00:31:22.000 Go back then and say, what if I said to Jack Dorsey, Vijay Gowdy, very specifically, Within the next year or year and a half, there will be far-left extremists who occupy city centers with rifles and kill people who oppose them. 0.96

00:31:36.000 They'd say, you're nuts that it happened. 0.59

00:31:39.000 And now we're just like, oh, that happened. 0.68

00:31:40.000 Are we not even shocked that it's going on?

00:31:42.000 So exactly.

00:31:43.000 And so the point that I'm trying to make here is that Okay, like imagine, I don't know what the analogy exactly would be, but so imagine you go, you know, you were in a business and you were talking to the other like stockholders and you go, I think this business is in real trouble.

00:31:58.000 I think we're going to be out of business next year.

00:32:00.000 And then next year, you're not out of business, but your stock is down 90%.

00:32:04.000 And they went, see, you're wrong.

00:32:06.000 We weren't out of business.

00:32:08.000 Okay, fine.

00:32:09.000 So I'm not saying, yeah, technically speaking, maybe you weren't out of, maybe it wasn't a civil war, maybe we weren't out of business, but still at least grant that there was like a lot accurate to this prediction.

00:32:20.000 And that's my point about, by the way, just tying this back to the not being elections.

00:32:24.000 Maybe that's not exactly right.

00:32:25.000 Maybe Colonel Douglas McGregor is not word for word right about this, but there still might be, much like with your prediction, like some real insight into that.

00:32:35.000 I'll give you the potentiality.

00:32:38.000 October 2024, a single state, Secretary of State decides Donald Trump is ineligible based on the 14th Amendment, as they've interpreted it, and so they remove his name from the ballots.

00:32:50.000 Immediately!

00:32:51.000 And we're three weeks out, or whatever, from the election, so early voting's happening.

00:32:55.000 Immediately, you get the Trump team, all the conservatives, everyone filing emergency notices saying, we need an injunction on this immediately.

00:33:03.000 And then the state says, okay, we'll see you in court.

00:33:06.000 They go to court.

00:33:07.000 By December, there's a ruling.

00:33:09.000 Yeah, guys, you can't keep Trump off the ballot.

00:33:12.000 Oh, the election's over.

00:33:13.000 Trump wasn't on the ballot.

00:33:14.000 We've already seen in Michigan and Minnesota, they've said no to this.

00:33:17.000 But the issue would be Look, we saw this in Arizona, and so I'm not basing this off of nothing.

00:33:23.000 In Arizona, the wrong ballots were printed on the wrong paper, so the machines didn't work.

00:33:27.000 I guarantee you.

00:33:29.000 I shouldn't say that because I can't actually guarantee you, but I would tell you this right now.

00:33:34.000 I would bet a substantial amount of money that in 2024, we will see similar voting machine errors on par with a misprint that results in jurisdictions failing.

00:33:44.000 Listen, if we hear about 100 jurisdictions And it totals maybe a single percentage point that this happened.

00:33:53.000 No one will accept it, no matter which side it ends up being.

00:33:56.000 If it happens to Trump, if it happens to anybody else, I knew some, I don't think it's anybody else.

00:34:00.000 The truth is that government is a faith-based system.

00:34:05.000 And that's that's especially true for democracy.

00:34:08.000 The whole thing is kind of reliant on this.

00:34:11.000 It's all a religion in a way.

00:34:13.000 Well, it's all like you believe in it.

00:34:15.000 We believe in look, the government is a religion in in every sense of the word, right?

00:34:20.000 It has its kind of like Sacraments, and its rituals, and its nobilities, and its sacred cows, it has its blasphemy, the things you're not allowed to say, right?

00:34:33.000 It has all of this, and also, you know, much like religion, and I say this as someone who believes in God, so don't take this the wrong way, but it is, so picture this like the religion you don't believe in, not the religion you do believe in, okay?

00:34:46.000 So if you're religious, every other religion, not your one. 0.99

00:34:49.000 But also, it doesn't exist.

00:34:52.000 Like, government itself doesn't exist.

00:34:54.000 It's an idea that's in your head.

00:34:56.000 And that idea is almost gone.

00:34:58.000 Well, right.

00:34:58.000 But that's the point, is that if it's not in your head, then it's not real.

00:35:02.000 You know, there isn't government.

00:35:03.000 There's buildings, and there's men with guns, who will enforce the politicians' wills, and there's titles that we made up, you know, Senator, Governor, President.

00:35:14.000 But none of that is objective reality.

00:35:16.000 This is an idea that we all buy into.

00:35:18.000 and it has a when you have something like three hundred and thirty million

00:35:22.000 people in a nation and then however what is it uh... hundred and forty million

00:35:26.000 voters or something like in that ballpark

00:35:29.000 and they were all recording all of their votes one day yet now obviously it could

00:35:33.000 be a much better system than we have here but it requires to some degree

00:35:37.000 a leap of faith for people to just say i'd believe in this system

00:35:42.000 And nobody has that in the United States.

00:35:44.000 Very few people have that.

00:35:45.000 I think it's fair to say that 2012 was the last election.

00:35:48.000 I'm not saying 100% it is true.

00:35:50.000 I'm saying it's fair to say in that 2016 was disputed by the left as fraudulent because Russia interfered.

00:35:56.000 They even believe they flipped votes, etc, etc.

00:35:59.000 2020, the Trump supporters said the same thing of the Democrats.

00:36:02.000 I don't care who you think is right or wrong.

00:36:04.000 You're allowed to think you're right.

00:36:05.000 You're allowed to think other people are wrong.

00:36:06.000 The point is, we have now had two elections where both sides have accused each other of very dramatic, serious treason.

00:36:13.000 Yes, and the point is that it's almost like if you believe it, then you're right.

00:36:16.000 Because the point I'm making about saying it's like a religion, and again, I really, just to be clear, I'm not trying to knock the idea of religion.

00:36:22.000 I'm saying like, some of the things that I think are the most beautiful ideas and institutions in the world, I think marriage is amongst the most beautiful institutions in the world.

00:36:31.000 But in a marriage, if either the husband or the wife doesn't believe in it anymore, then they're right. 0.94

00:36:40.000 There is no objective thing.

00:36:42.000 It's like if you don't believe it, then you're right, then you're not in this anymore.

00:36:47.000 It almost requires both of you to believe in this thing that it's real.

00:36:51.000 It's a much bigger debate, but I do disagree.

00:36:55.000 You can get into how you trap your wife in the basement after this. 0.77

00:36:57.000 I'm just saying, I'm saying my wife is free to leave anytime she wants to and she doesn't want to leave.

00:37:02.000 No, it's not about why she's Catholic though, right?

00:37:05.000 But you're not baptized, yeah.

00:37:07.000 Well, it's a different situation, but my point is that you don't believe in the concept of sacramental marriage or that you're actually bound in a way where you can't leave.

00:37:14.000 I'm not saying that you're not.

00:37:15.000 I'm saying you can believe that you're bound in that way, and I do believe that.

00:37:19.000 Yes, I believe that I've made a commitment to my wife that I said in front of our families and in front of God and that I will, till death do us part.

00:37:28.000 Yes, I believe that.

00:37:29.000 But if I stop believing that, it doesn't exist anymore.

00:37:32.000 That's my point.

00:37:33.000 It requires the belief in that, otherwise it's over.

00:37:36.000 And so in a sense, even though it is completely ridiculous for the left half of America to say that Vladimir Putin overthrew the government in 2016 when he installed Trump, them believing that in itself changes the whole dynamics of politics.

00:37:52.000 I agree.

00:37:52.000 And the same thing for Trump supporters who believe the election was stolen in 2020.

00:37:56.000 Now I'm not saying it wasn't or it was.

00:37:58.000 I'm just saying once you believe that, we're not playing the same game anymore.

00:38:02.000 I agree with some of that.

00:38:04.000 But you're putting on the lens of what you think is right and wrong.

00:38:07.000 I'm saying forget what you think is right or wrong.

00:38:09.000 I'm saying if your wife stops believing that she has to- She's going to act as if she's not married to you.

00:38:16.000 I agree with that.

00:38:16.000 Then you're in a different game.

00:38:17.000 You're in a different game now.

00:38:18.000 It's a certainly different situation.

00:38:19.000 And so that's what we're dealing with in America today.

00:38:21.000 Yeah, no.

00:38:22.000 My point is simply to say that I agree with some of what you're saying, and I think ultimately we would just disagree on, like, the moral questions of how you're sort of formulating the analogy.

00:38:30.000 The way I understand it is, I believe, obviously, in the trueness of my faith, I also believe there are such things as false religions.

00:38:37.000 I think anytime you have a false idol, you have a false religion, and government has become an idol for many people.

00:38:42.000 Especially people in government.

00:38:44.000 They really do see themselves as the highest moral authority.

00:38:47.000 Even Fauci saying something like, I am the science.

00:38:50.000 I mean, that is a mockery of Christ.

00:38:50.000 I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life.

00:38:52.000 Fauci is saying he is truth itself, and they also say that science is the way and the life.

00:38:56.000 They have this insane kind of scientist system of thought built up where anyone who calls themselves an expert

00:39:01.000 is now entitled to tell you exactly how to live your life.

00:39:04.000 They have the fullness of the truth.

00:39:05.000 So I totally agree that there are parallels here with false religions. 1.00

00:39:10.000 Rothbard actually talked about this in Anatomy of the State, that once faith in the state declines, they would replace it with a technocracy or a scientism.

00:39:18.000 It's exactly what we've seen.

00:39:19.000 They're basically evolving naturally.

00:39:21.000 But I want to go back to a point from a minute ago when you were talking about sitting down with Jack Dorsey on Rogan.

00:39:28.000 The whole reason that, first off, you didn't know at the time, but thanks to Elon Musk's acquisition and the Twitter leaks, we now know that much of those policies in the terms of service modification as well as the moderation policy shifts were being dictated by a multitude of three-letter agencies.

00:39:44.000 Now let's back up a little bit further.

00:39:45.000 The whole reason that they felt genuinely righteous in modifying these things, even if you discount the FBI interference and everything else, was because they felt Genuinely, that Donald Trump had had the election stolen because of Russian interference.

00:40:01.000 That was also the state that had planted those seeds.

00:40:04.000 All fictitious.

00:40:05.000 Hillary Clinton, the Steele dossier, all a lie. 0.99

00:40:07.000 So you have this entire censorship apparatus that is being rolled out and you have useful idiots that are actually propagating it based off of deception that is all a CIA plan from the get-go. 0.99

00:40:17.000 Now, let's just add to what you said. 0.99

00:40:20.000 They genuinely believe Trump stole the election.

00:40:23.000 He's a Putin asset, so he must be stopped.

00:40:25.000 But that narrative itself was created by them, and this is why I have long described Twitter as Jack Dorsey hooking his own sewer system into his own mouth.

00:40:34.000 Dorsey created Twitter with a team, and everybody's sharing ideas.

00:40:40.000 Crackpot Psychotic Refuse is splattered all over the place on Twitter and Jack Dorsey decides, I'm going to take that funnel and shove it down my throat and starts consuming it.

00:40:50.000 He then adopts the ideology of chaos.

00:40:53.000 Listen, this is the important thing.

00:40:55.000 The TikTok story about Gen Z believing Bin Laden was correct because they read his letter proves my point. 1.00

00:41:03.000 There's no way they actually read his letter.

00:41:05.000 If they did, it's all anti-LGBT.

00:41:08.000 They didn't actually read it.

00:41:09.000 They're simply saying they agree with it because they're seeing other people say it.

00:41:13.000 Jack Dorsey saw the same trends, decided to abide by them without knowing what he was talking about, and that's what the left is, and he built rules around it which helped propagate the very cult. All right, before we get into the Osama bin 0.79

00:41:25.000 Laden letter, just one thing on that, like, and I don't completely disagree with you, but there

00:41:30.000 is kind of like another element into this, which is that, look, if you look at the state of

00:41:35.000 social media from pre-2016, it was just a different world.

00:41:42.000 And I'm not saying that nobody ever got, like, banned or kicked off.

00:41:46.000 There were very rare instances where people would go really, really far.

00:41:50.000 Like, where people would actually be, like, advocating, like, you know, Nazism and stuff like that, where they would get banned.

00:41:56.000 But it was very rare.

00:41:58.000 I mean, I remember back in the days of the Wild Wild West, and I say that in the best possible sense of the term as a libertarian.

00:42:05.000 Love the Wild Wild West.

00:42:06.000 Me too.

00:42:07.000 But that it was a...

00:42:09.000 You could kind of say whatever you wanted to without any fear that like, oh, I better watch myself or I bet I'm good.

00:42:16.000 And of course it was because all of the incentives lined up for social media companies to not want to kick people off.

00:42:22.000 Because it was real competition still.

00:42:24.000 Well, look, the whole thing is they want you to be on their site.

00:42:27.000 Exactly.

00:42:27.000 They don't want to kick you off of their site.

00:42:30.000 So let me give you the quick, finish your thoughts so I can.

00:42:32.000 Well, so my point is that The rise of Donald Trump, who really tweeted his way to the presidency, and tweeted his way to the presidency when the entire establishment said this guy is not allowed to win, and ended up winning, and used Twitter to drive the entire news cycle, through the entire election.

00:42:52.000 Once he won, All of the powerful people in government and the media class, they couldn't simply accept that, oh, he had a message that resonated with the people, even though we told you there was no way this message would resonate with the people. 0.96

00:43:06.000 And we couldn't accept that Hillary Clinton turns out to just be a horrifically corrupt, unlikable, awful human being. 1.00

00:43:13.000 I'm just saying this actually happened. 0.96

00:43:15.000 That they hauled all of the heads of the big tech companies in front of Congress, and explicitly in front of everybody, threatened them with violence.

00:43:26.000 They threatened them with, we will regulate your company.

00:43:26.000 You know?

00:43:29.000 The reason Trump won is because of disinformation and Russian interference, and you better do something about that or else.

00:43:36.000 Many of them threatened nationalization.

00:43:38.000 That was a factor in what happened.

00:43:40.000 A major factor.

00:43:40.000 Let me give you the quick rundown of what social media started as.

00:43:44.000 Social media website.

00:43:45.000 Post what you want to post.

00:43:46.000 People did.

00:43:47.000 Eventually, too many people are posting.

00:43:49.000 Facebook says, their feeds are cluttered up.

00:43:52.000 Reverse chronological isn't working.

00:43:54.000 We need them to stay on the website.

00:43:55.000 Algorithms were created.

00:43:57.000 Algorithms will deliver to you content we think you like better.

00:44:00.000 Many of them failed.

00:44:01.000 The early algorithms of YouTube were, if it gets more clicks, show it more.

00:44:05.000 Every thumbnail became women in bikinis. 0.98

00:44:05.000 What happened? 0.98

00:44:07.000 I'm dead serious.

00:44:08.000 What ends up happening then is a bunch of companies start emerging.

00:44:12.000 Huffington Post, one of the first.

00:44:14.000 All of a sudden, they're getting massive traffic.

00:44:15.000 Everyone's clicking their articles.

00:44:17.000 They can read the news now, not through a newspaper, and comment on these stories.

00:44:21.000 What ends up happening?

00:44:22.000 Through the algorithms, Facebook says, share the links that get the most clicks.

00:44:27.000 What happens then?

00:44:28.000 What gets the most clicks?

00:44:29.000 Police brutality videos.

00:44:31.000 Things that make people angry get the most clicks.

00:44:34.000 Overnight, in the early 2010s, we end up seeing, my favorite example is Mike.com.

00:44:39.000 Do you guys know that started as a Ron Paul website?

00:44:42.000 Yeah, you told me about it.

00:44:43.000 Mike.com started as libertarian, pro-Ron Paul, and with a component of anti-police brutality, because libertarians were very into this.

00:44:51.000 Eventually, however, Mike becomes social justice.

00:44:54.000 Why?

00:44:55.000 It was getting more clicks to go beyond police brutality.

00:44:58.000 This whole machine's always been in play.

00:45:00.000 So we can say pre-2016 it was a different story.

00:45:02.000 No, no, no, no.

00:45:03.000 You were just, and you were walking into the building, you just didn't see the bowels deep beneath.

00:45:08.000 So I don't deny that, and I think there is part of this that just was an organic force of, like, how can we get more clicks and more clicks and more clicks?

00:45:16.000 But I am saying that, like, there was a government intervention And obviously we know from all of like the Twitter files and all of that stuff now that there was massive like government intervention that certainly put their thumb on this scale and said, and particularly, I'm not just saying about the clickbait stuff.

00:45:32.000 I'm more talking about like the tech censorship stuff where they really did crack down on these companies and insist that you like censor dissenting voices.

00:45:41.000 And oftentimes, let me just say, and oftentimes it was dissenting voices who were getting tons of clicks.

00:45:46.000 And what you need to understand is, The people working for the Intel agencies are not like, it's a 30-year-old guy in 2005 who's now a 40-year-old guy in 2015 who went, whoa, we better censor this.

00:45:57.000 It is, in 2015, them hiring a new 30-year-old who's been indoctrinated for 10 years by the refuse machine.

00:46:05.000 A 10-year-old, a kid born in 2000.

00:46:08.000 Gets on the internet, gets on Facebook for the first time in 2010, and what does he see on Facebook?

00:46:12.000 Literally nothing but police brutality videos.

00:46:16.000 Police brutality was so ubiquitous on Facebook that there was a website dedicated to nothing but police brutality videos in the top 500 global websites, making millions of dollars.

00:46:27.000 You're 10 years old, you get on Facebook, and it's all you see.

00:46:30.000 For the next four or five years in your formative years, the only thing you see, guess what?

00:46:34.000 They're BLM activists now.

00:46:35.000 Now you have critical race theorists and Marxists.

00:46:38.000 Now imagine this.

00:46:39.000 Imagine you're already 10 years old in 2000, and you're just starting to get on the internet.

00:46:44.000 By the time you're 15, you're being inundated with this stuff.

00:46:47.000 10 years later, you're 25, you're now working in these intel agencies, you're out of college, you're interning.

00:46:52.000 This is what we saw with Bud Light.

00:46:54.000 I predicted this.

00:46:55.000 I said, I'm willing to bet it's going to turn out.

00:46:58.000 I was talking to Vivek about this. 0.97

00:46:59.000 It's a young millennial marketing person who has just brought on and has risen in the ranks and is now trying to push their crackpot garbage into the machine. 0.52

00:47:07.000 What did it turn out to be? 0.96

00:47:09.000 Exactly that.

00:47:10.000 A millennial woman who said, let's do wokeness and then burn the company to the ground. 1.00

00:47:15.000 Because we don't want these frat boy customers that buy, you know, millions of cans of our beer every year.

00:47:19.000 Why are we seeing 16-year-olds in San Francisco marching through the hallways chanting from the river to the sea?

00:47:24.000 Do you genuinely think these kids know anything about Israel-Palestine?

00:47:27.000 No, they've been indoctrinated by their schools.

00:47:30.000 Let's go to it, baby!

00:47:30.000 Well, it's not just their schools.

00:47:31.000 I can't make one point about that.

00:47:34.000 After we jump to the next story.

00:47:35.000 Well, I just want to say you mentioned they're brainwashed by their schools.

00:47:39.000 That's certainly true in part.

00:47:41.000 I had the privilege of speaking to Dr. George Barn on my podcast, and he's done research on what tends to form the beliefs of the youth in America.

00:47:48.000 And what he found is that, like, without a close second, media is basically what shapes their opinions.

00:47:54.000 When you look at schools, you look at parents, you look at churches.

00:47:57.000 It's far, far above all of those things is media, what they're consuming on television, basically, or on Let me quote this story from the Daily Mail.

00:48:06.000 We got a lot of points to make.

00:48:07.000 uh, points to make.

00:48:08.000 TikTok will scrub videos of anti-Israel Gen Zers fawning over Bin Laden's vile 2002 letter to America

00:48:15.000 because it clearly violates our rules on supporting any form of terrorism.

00:48:19.000 I want to show you this image.

00:48:21.000 In this image, can you switch over, Serge?

00:48:23.000 It says, TikTokers are now justifying, this is from Libswith TikTok, the 9-11 attacks and praising Bin Laden because he was just the resistance. 0.87

00:48:31.000 This man, in one of his videos, it says, 2011, me finding out we got him, and he's cheering.

00:48:37.000 Then it switches to this.

00:48:38.000 Reading his letter to America, knowing he was right. 1.00

00:48:42.000 Full stop.

00:48:42.000 The point?

00:48:43.000 TikTok is doing what we have seen social media companies do quite a bit of.

00:48:48.000 They are creating a trend, And these people have not actually read Bin Laden's letter, not even a single word of it, and I know for a fact, I think, any sane person can see that.

00:48:59.000 What they're doing is instead, oh, this guy got a million views by saying that?

00:49:03.000 Let me make the same video and get a million views.

00:49:06.000 There's definitely a lot of that.

00:49:07.000 I don't think it's a lot.

00:49:08.000 There's no way woke leftists read a letter saying ban homosexuality and then said he was right. 1.00

00:49:14.000 So you're telling me that you don't believe in woke leftists' ability to contradict themselves?

00:49:19.000 No, I'm saying that some of these posts that are prominent come from Muslim activists who are saying, look, he was right. 1.00

00:49:28.000 Do you see the video where it was Billboard Chris, and the Antifa guy goes up to two Muslim women and says he's trying to stop kids from being trans, and they're like, we agree. 1.00

00:49:38.000 What happens then is, Because people are getting millions of views, these other young people are like, I want to get millions of views, and just make a fake video claiming they read the letter when they did not.

00:49:49.000 I'm not denying that.

00:49:50.000 I'm sure there are people who are doing that.

00:49:54.000 They can contradict themselves, but I will not.

00:49:56.000 No, but I mean in the most blatant way.

00:49:57.000 And I get that.

00:49:58.000 They can contradict themselves.

00:49:59.000 No, I mean, I've seen it over and over again.

00:50:01.000 Where the woke leftists can literally sit here and say, there's no such thing as gender. 1.00

00:50:08.000 And also, I knew I was in the wrong gender from the moment I was born, because it's in my brain, and you're like, these are the complete contradictory ideas.

00:50:15.000 We had Lance from the Serfs on the show, who said, you can get abortion whenever you want.

00:50:15.000 Yes, I get it.

00:50:20.000 Then he said, but a woman can't do meth because it intentionally kills the baby. 1.00

00:50:23.000 Right?

00:50:23.000 We've seen these things, and everybody loved that clip.

00:50:26.000 But I do not believe you can take a statement, ban homosexuality, put it in front of any leftist, and say, would you agree with this? 0.95

00:50:36.000 They would not agree with me.

00:50:37.000 Well look, the issue here always is, and I've been struggling with this myself over the last, say, month or whatever, is that I think when there is a reasonable point to be made And then it's put into the hands of left-wingers to make that reasonable point.

00:50:56.000 They will make it in the worst way possible.

00:50:59.000 So I think that what's going on, obviously this has to do with the context of what's happening with Israel and Gaza right now, right?

00:51:06.000 That's a part of the reason why this is going so bad.

00:51:09.000 16-year-olds chanting from the river to the sea?

00:51:11.000 is why they're saying Bin Laden was right. 1.00

00:51:13.000 They don't know anything about what they're talking about.

00:51:15.000 Listen, I'm not defending left-wing 16-year-olds. 1.00

00:51:18.000 They're gonna say a lot of stupid things. 1.00

00:51:20.000 But this is the point. 1.00

00:51:21.000 But I think what the point should be, so I'm with you completely, left-wing 16-year-olds are stupid. 1.00

00:51:28.000 My point is, it is not just 16-year-olds. 0.99

00:51:31.000 We have 37-year-old millennials who are indoctrinated in the exact same way. 1.00

00:51:36.000 Yeah, they're also stupid. 1.00

00:51:36.000 They're also 16. 1.00

00:51:38.000 No, sure, sure, but listen.

00:51:40.000 These are people in the intelligence agencies.

00:51:43.000 How old is Vindman?

00:51:44.000 These are people who are at the CIA who are removing Donald Trump from the presidency because they believe this crackpot BS.

00:51:50.000 I'm not sure that's true.

00:51:51.000 I think the people in the intelligence agencies, even the ones who are removing or trying to remove Donald Trump, are much more on board with Israel than against Israel.

00:51:59.000 But I would say this, look, I think the kernel of truth here and what a lot of these guys

00:52:06.000 just are trying to get at but do a horrible job of getting at it is that, look, in bin

00:52:14.000 Laden's letter to America, obviously he's an Islamist and he's saying all types of crazy 1.00

00:52:19.000 things that a lot of us don't agree with.

00:52:21.000 Well, Seamus maybe mostly.

00:52:23.000 But the rest of us don't agree with that.

00:52:25.000 But there are stated grievances in this letter.

00:52:30.000 that you have to admit, okay, he probably has a legit grievance here, you understand

00:52:36.000 why this would be fertile ground for recruitment, and why almost any people would probably resent

00:52:44.000 this if this was happening to them.

00:52:45.000 But let me read the first one.

00:52:46.000 As for the first question, why are we fighting and opposing you?

00:52:49.000 The answer is very simple.

00:52:50.000 Number one, with a bullet, because you attacked us and continue to attack us. 0.81

00:52:55.000 That's the first thing he says.

00:52:56.000 So like... No, no, no, no, no.

00:52:58.000 Full stop.

00:52:59.000 Full stop.

00:52:59.000 I am... I'm sorry, dude.

00:53:01.000 I reject this outright.

00:53:02.000 You can't just read a sentence... I can read... I read the whole thing, Tim.

00:53:05.000 I know exactly what he says.

00:53:06.000 And so you need to understand what attack us means.

00:53:08.000 And he outlines very clearly in the entire second half, attacking us means stopping Sharia Islam from taking over the world. 1.00

00:53:14.000 Well, yes, he also includes 1.5 million kids that starve in Iraq because of the sanction regime.

00:53:20.000 You can't discount that either.

00:53:21.000 My point is, it's like a guy saying, I am attacking you because you kicked my dog.

00:53:27.000 And we're like, wow, you kicked his dog, why?

00:53:29.000 And he goes, because I was trying to eat it.

00:53:31.000 And you're like, well, wait, wait, hold on.

00:53:33.000 So what's happening is you got a lot of these leftists and Glenn Greenwald did this too.

00:53:38.000 Bin Laden was mad about US foreign policy.

00:53:40.000 Bin Laden was mad about US foreign policy imposing a Western viewpoint and preventing Islam.

00:53:47.000 It's all in his letter.

00:53:49.000 Look, okay, again, there's no question, he's a radical Islamist, and that's all throughout the letter, you can see that there.

00:53:56.000 But I think that the issue is that, so these left-wingers take it in this direction that's like, well, he was right!

00:54:01.000 And you're like, no, of course that's not the conclusion. 0.78

00:54:04.000 The conclusion is he was an insane madman who's obviously like an, he's obviously an evil figure, there's no getting around that.

00:54:13.000 The point is that obviously within this Islamist rhetoric there are also these grievances of, and look, that you have attacked us, that you have bases in our holy land, that you prop up brutal dictators in our region, that you support the Israelis who have ethnically cleansed the Palestinians, and then of course the sanctions campaign against the Iraqis and all the kids who died. 0.76

00:54:37.000 And let me read his wishes. His wishes are that they would be under sharia law and Muslim 0.97

00:54:43.000 control. But it's still here's the thing, right? When it since from 9-11 and the years

00:54:49.000 that these have slowed down a little bit, but for at least 15 years afterward, the FBI did all of

00:54:54.000 these, you know, sting operations with a we're not really entrapment operations where they claim

00:55:00.000 we foiled another terrorist plot. But then you find out that they created the whole thing.

00:55:04.000 Every time they did it, every time they did it, go look at how they recruited the person.

00:55:09.000 Listen, they never read them the Quran.

00:55:11.000 They always said, how do you feel about US foreign policy in the Muslim world?

00:55:16.000 The point shouldn't be that Osama bin Laden's a good guy. 0.90

00:55:19.000 The point should be that this is why he was able to recruit people.

00:55:23.000 Sure.

00:55:23.000 Who are willing to go blow themselves up and sacrifice themselves.

00:55:27.000 And let me point this out, when Glenn Greenwald, let me pull up Glenn Greenwald's tweet, says his three main grievances are U.S.

00:55:33.000 sanctions on Iraq that killed the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children, two, U.S.

00:55:36.000 support for Israeli violence, and three, U.S.

00:55:38.000 troops on sacred Saudi land, that is, this is what pisses me off, that is I'll tell you what that is. 0.98

00:55:44.000 That's Black Lives Matter.

00:55:45.000 That is Michael Brown.

00:55:46.000 That is BLM saying, they shot and killed Michael Brown.

00:55:49.000 That's why we're mad.

00:55:50.000 That's why we're rioting.

00:55:51.000 And then you go, well, hold on there a minute.

00:55:53.000 Michael Brown robbed a liquor store and then attacked a cop.

00:55:56.000 Okay?

00:55:56.000 So if you're really saying you're mad that he was shot, what you're actually saying is your intention is to be able to freely and willfully rob and attack cops.

00:56:04.000 And guess what?

00:56:05.000 It's actually happening now.

00:56:06.000 So you're saying it's lying through omission?

00:56:08.000 He's not including the full context of the letter?

00:56:10.000 When we get people like Glenn Greenwald coming out and saying, well, look, Bin Laden said they were mad about US foreign policy.

00:56:16.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:56:17.000 BLM comes out and says, police are attacking us, so we want to abolish the police. 0.99

00:56:20.000 We're now three years past the summer of love, and what's happening?

00:56:23.000 They just released two guys in New York who mercilessly beat a cop without bail.

00:56:27.000 We had a woman who was just killed, and I think it was in Georgia, I'm not sure where it was, because the guy got released without bail.

00:56:33.000 Everything they said, they said, these cops are killing us, so we need to stop this.

00:56:37.000 They weren't actually mad cops were killing them, they were mad that cops were stopping criminals from doing extremist things.

00:56:43.000 Okay, so I just don't, I don't think the comparison is perfect.

00:56:46.000 I get your point on the BLM stuff, but okay, sure.

00:56:50.000 So you read the first line, you attack us.

00:56:52.000 Want me to read you the first line of what he defines attack as?

00:56:55.000 I want to read the whole thing.

00:56:56.000 I'm not going to read the whole thing on the show because it's long, but he says, In the first section, under your supervision, consent, and orders, the governments of our countries, which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis.

00:57:06.000 One, these governments prevent our people from establishing Islamic Sharia, using violence and lies to do so.

00:57:12.000 Okay, two, they humiliate us.

00:57:13.000 Three, so when you ask him what does it mean to be attacked on a daily basis, he is not saying, I can't believe that you're shooting at us.

00:57:19.000 He's saying, we want Sharia.

00:57:21.000 He goes on to say, the whole second half, number two, Tim, what he's clarifying there is that you're toppling the leadership that they want.

00:57:29.000 They're asking for autonomy.

00:57:31.000 I disagree with them.

00:57:31.000 I get it.

00:57:32.000 But if they want autonomy, if they want sovereignty, then they can have it.

00:57:35.000 So my point is this.

00:57:36.000 These leftists, it all comes down to, Have not actually read the letter, do not actually understand what his goals were.

00:57:42.000 I agree with you that they didn't read it, but that doesn't change the fact that he has some legitimate grievances.

00:57:46.000 Well, let's say they're all wrong, right? 1.00

00:57:47.000 And obviously any leftist who's going to say, realizing Osama Bin Laden was right about everything is like beyond stupid and just, it's insane. 0.99

00:57:56.000 Obviously, forget any of that. 1.00

00:57:58.000 If your conclusion from any of that is that therefore it's okay to slaughter innocent people, then F you! 1.00

00:58:05.000 You're a horrible person! 1.00

00:58:07.000 And you're a madman! 0.99

00:58:08.000 But I think the point is what should like like not the leftist interpretation of this but say like the the Ron Paul interpretation of this which I think he was completely right about and the Pat Buchanan like I'm talking about the most right-wing and the most libertarian not left-wingers at all and the point that they would make is that it's like look there's a the Pat Buchanan quote that I love which I think nails it always right is he says Terrorism is the price of empire, and if you don't wish to pay the cost, you must abandon the empire. 0.95

00:58:38.000 And I think what you're dealing with here is that, listen, these are a group of people who have a different way of life than us and a different belief system than us.

00:58:47.000 And I'm not defending that way of life or that belief system, but when you go over there and you impose your own brutal dictators on them, you slaughter their innocent civilians, But I'm saying, that's what I think should be gained from this letter by Bin Laden. 0.96

00:59:01.000 And my issue is this.

00:59:02.000 Those parts are legitimate grievances.

00:59:04.000 And my issue is, no one disagrees.

00:59:08.000 Well, some do.

00:59:10.000 My point is, here in this room, we get it.

00:59:12.000 foreign policy has been a disaster.

00:59:12.000 U.S.

00:59:14.000 Afghanistan is the latest in a long line of disasters. 1.00

00:59:16.000 I think it would be unfair to say every single thing ever done was a disaster, but boy did the U.S.

00:59:21.000 lose a lot of wars in the past 70 years.

00:59:24.000 Lose, lose, lose, lose, lose.

00:59:26.000 But, for these leftists to do two things, one, claim Bin Laden was right, and actually be activists who are pro-Palestine who read it, well they're lying and they're manipulating, and they're trying to obfuscate what his actual goals were, and two, the other leftists who are claiming they read it and they thought he was right, they did not read it.

00:59:43.000 I don't disagree with that.

00:59:45.000 My point that bothers me is people who are arguing that, like Glenn Greenwald's tweet is irksome.

00:59:52.000 That is not Bin Laden's grievance.

00:59:54.000 They are single facts of things that he's using examples of, of how we stopped him from having Sharia, and let me read section 3. 0.99

01:00:03.000 I read you section one, section three.

01:00:04.000 You are a nation that permits the production, trading, and usage of intoxicants.

01:00:08.000 You permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

01:00:13.000 He says, uh, where was it?

01:00:15.000 You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom.

01:00:19.000 If you need to sink down the abyss from level to level, et cetera, et cetera.

01:00:21.000 He goes on to say, if I go into the earlier sections, you allow fornication, homosexuality, gambling, and usury. 0.96

01:00:29.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:00:29.000 So when he's mad about US foreign policy, that's like... It's starting to sound like Kanye. 0.97

01:00:39.000 When he's mad about US foreign policy, it's not for the reason the anti-war Americans are.

01:00:44.000 If you've read the whole thing, as I have, yes, you're right.

01:00:44.000 I don't agree with that, Tim.

01:00:47.000 He makes a whole bunch of points that I disagree with, but he also makes a ton of points that are totally legit.

01:00:52.000 He says, you have aggressed upon my people for decades after decades.

01:00:56.000 He talks about how Israel was foisted upon the Arab world and that they opposed the UN declaration that made it come to pass.

01:01:03.000 I get it. 1.00

01:01:05.000 Yes, he has a bunch of shit that I disagree with, but then he's got a murderous psychopath! 1.00

01:01:11.000 He's also raising some grievances, you know? 1.00

01:01:14.000 What he's saying, like, I compare this to BLM, okay?

01:01:18.000 I don't think the U.S.

01:01:19.000 should be going to foreign countries and doing these things, but the argument from the left is essentially Let us do horrifying things to people.

01:01:29.000 Slave trade, child marriage, all these awful things.

01:01:33.000 That's what he's saying.

01:01:34.000 Right.

01:01:34.000 So how dare you stop us?

01:01:36.000 So he's wrong.

01:01:38.000 And he's a bad guy.

01:01:39.000 I mean, that should be the conclusion of all this.

01:01:42.000 But my point comes down to leftists on TikTok claiming he was right when his message is he wants Sharia law.

01:01:52.000 Okay, so the leftists are wrong for claiming that, he's wrong for wanting Sharia law, but I just think, so let's, again, those people are wrong, but let's just talk about what's right for a minute.

01:02:01.000 And I'll say this, this is a point that I tried to make in the debate I did last night with Laura Loomer for Zero Hedge, but she was basically just like condemning Islam the whole time, and talking about, and I was trying to just have this Moment of being like, well look, let's just try to be really fair here, okay?

01:02:18.000 So let's try to think this through, and I'm not, obviously Bin Laden's a bad guy, but... 0.97

01:02:24.000 Think about what we did after 9-11.

01:02:27.000 How crazy we went as a country.

01:02:30.000 Like, in terms of what we would support, what our government did, what the response to it was, that we look back at this now and we go, wait, so we got essentially missiled, bombed with two planes at the World Trade Center, and we We created the Department of Homeland Security, and the Patriot Act, and the TSA, and the war in Afghanistan, and the war in Iraq, which we almost all universally look back on and go, whoa, that was wrong.

01:02:58.000 John McCain, in his memoir, wrote that the war in Iraq was a mistake.

01:03:02.000 So almost everybody, like, acknowledges, like, we went a little bit crazy after 9-11 and did a whole bunch of bad things.

01:03:09.000 A lot of innocent people died over that.

01:03:12.000 Now try to imagine, and I want you to really try to imagine this, That 1,000 9-11's happened to us.

01:03:21.000 And what that would look like, how crazy we would go, that's the reality in the Muslim world. 1.00

01:03:28.000 Now, I'm not saying this justifies any of this, and if your takeaway of this is that Osama bin Laden is a good guy, you might be an idiot 16-year-old leftist. 1.00

01:03:36.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:03:37.000 But I'm just saying that before we sit here and condemn them for how awful, and I think this is the point that Glenn Greenwald is trying to get at here, is that it's like, look, what he's talking about in this letter is describing a thousand 9-11s.

01:03:51.000 And if you actually do the numbers in terms of dead, it's probably more than that.

01:03:55.000 But whatever, just imagining that.

01:03:57.000 And so if we're going to sit here and our reaction to that is going to be like, but you're a radical Islamist and all of this is crazy that you want Sharia law.

01:04:07.000 Okay, fine and fine.

01:04:09.000 but seeing as what our reaction was just after one 9-11, I don't know that after, you know,

01:04:14.000 after a thousand 9-11s, Seamus gets in control? What do you think he's going to do?

01:04:18.000 Let me tell you based on his letter, based on the letter, what should these leftists do to

01:04:26.000 remedy what they've done?

01:04:27.000 And you know what the answer is?

01:04:29.000 Become straight.

01:04:31.000 Convert to Islam.

01:04:32.000 Explicitly says, as a second question, what are we calling you to do?

01:04:36.000 Calling you to Islam, the religion of unification of God.

01:04:38.000 Bin Laden attacked us for two reasons.

01:04:40.000 He says, because you opposed, you've obstructed the life that we want, the rules that we want.

01:04:46.000 He says, specifically, your attacks on us include fornication, gambling, usury, etc.

01:04:50.000 And what do we want you to do now?

01:04:52.000 Okay, but hold on.

01:04:52.000 Join Islam.

01:04:53.000 We can ban fornication and usury, but not alcohol. 0.98

01:04:56.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:04:57.000 Okay, we might meet in the middle there.

01:04:59.000 But do you think, let me ask you this, Tim.

01:05:01.000 Do you think And I mean this in real human terms, like trying to put yourself in the position of these people.

01:05:08.000 Do you think Osama Bin Laden was able to recruit people to be willing to suicide bomb themselves to death because, like, do you think a pretty major factor of that was that maybe they had seen someone who they loved, you know what I mean, get killed?

01:05:24.000 Well, what started the first jihad?

01:05:26.000 The first jihad? 0.66

01:05:27.000 Yeah.

01:05:28.000 I don't know.

01:05:28.000 Well, I kind of think if you have, I don't know, the first jihad, which is, what was it, went on for a thousand plus years and they went from the Middle East all throughout Europe on to Spain.

01:05:39.000 I don't, I don't know, was that caused by a thousand 9-11s?

01:05:43.000 Was it like, oh, I think the Crusades were only a small handful.

01:05:46.000 I think going that far back in history kind of obfuscates, like, I have to make this point because in the letter itself he says, 3,000 of your people die and all hell breaks loose.

01:05:58.000 1.5 million of our people die and you won't even blink an eye. 0.98

01:06:02.000 The point that he's making, setting aside all of the Islamist bullshit, all of the leftist argumentation, is that we don't treat them as if they're real people. 1.00

01:06:12.000 We treat them as if they're lesser. 0.99

01:06:14.000 And that's true.

01:06:15.000 And until we're willing to accept that reality and actually look in the mirror, if I was born In Gaza, in 2006, I would be of fighting age today and I would have never had any sovereignty whatsoever.

01:06:30.000 I'm ruled by Hamas. 0.99

01:06:32.000 I'm ruled by the IDF. 0.61

01:06:33.000 If I go too close to the border, I get shot. 0.99

01:06:36.000 I would be a complete lunatic.

01:06:38.000 Anytime you bring this up, people say, oh, you're trying to justify terrorism. 0.86

01:06:43.000 You're trying to, you know, make it sound as if Hamas is the good guys. 0.98

01:06:46.000 I'm not doing that.

01:06:47.000 What I'm doing is I'm putting myself in the shoes of people that have been legitimately oppressed.

01:06:52.000 And I'm not talking about the critical theory oppression.

01:06:54.000 I'm talking about real effing oppression, where your whole life has been dominated.

01:06:58.000 And let me ask you a question.

01:06:59.000 Why were the Marines formed?

01:07:01.000 The Barbary Wars.

01:07:02.000 And what did the Sultan say to Thomas Jefferson, which resulted in him saying, you know what, fine, then we're forming the Marines.

01:07:10.000 Well, the pirates were demanding a ransom.

01:07:14.000 When the American ships were being attacked by the North African Barbary States, Jefferson and Adams, many other U.S.

01:07:21.000 agents, were like, yo, we got no problem with you guys.

01:07:24.000 Why are you consistently attacking our ships?

01:07:26.000 And you know what the response was?

01:07:28.000 Our religion says we're allowed to do it.

01:07:30.000 Yeah.

01:07:31.000 Okay. 0.55

01:07:31.000 So he said, if that's what you're going to do, I am going to raise a navy and I will wipe you out. 0.55

01:07:35.000 And it was probably a big mistake, by the way.

01:07:37.000 That's what the English empire, that's what the British empire does.

01:07:39.000 I mean, think about the implications of, first off, he didn't get a declaration of war from

01:07:43.000 Congress.

01:07:43.000 He just went about it with having Thomas Jefferson.

01:07:47.000 That was the point.

01:07:49.000 No, no, no.

01:07:50.000 It wasn't even mark and reprisal.

01:07:51.000 It was kind of like almost an authorization of military force type deal.

01:07:55.000 By the way, the French and the British had forever just been paying those pirates off, paying the ransom.

01:07:59.000 And I think he ended up spending a lot more money on it than if he had just paid them off.

01:08:03.000 So people died and he wasted a lot of money.

01:08:05.000 I'm not saying it's the right thing to do.

01:08:06.000 The pirates were the aggressors in that.

01:08:08.000 But here's my issue with this.

01:08:10.000 My issue with when we go back to like, okay, but look, in the year 1801, a radical Muslim did this.

01:08:18.000 Here's kind of the problem.

01:08:20.000 Do you guys familiar with the King Crane Commission?

01:08:24.000 No.

01:08:25.000 So the King Graham Commission was after World War I. At the end of World War I, I think it started at the Paris Peace Conference, and they were trying to get the British and the French on board, but they kind of pulled out of it, so the Americans just did it without them.

01:08:38.000 But they sent a commission into the Muslim world, because the Ottoman Empire had collapsed, and now there were all these territories that used to be ruled by the Ottoman Empire, and they were kind of going on like a fact-finding mission.

01:08:48.000 Like they went there to just kind of like survey and interview a lot of people and figure out what we're gonna do with this part of the world.

01:08:54.000 And there's a few really interesting things that they found.

01:08:58.000 Number one, Syria overwhelmingly voted, and Syria back then was much bigger than Syria today, but so it's like the land Syria is, and then I think a bigger area than that.

01:09:09.000 Overwhelmingly, they said, who would you like to rule you under a League of Nations mandate?

01:09:15.000 And overwhelmingly, Syria voted for the United States of America.

01:09:19.000 So, this narrative that they hate us because we're free is really not very true.

01:09:26.000 In fact, when we were viewed as the ones who weren't the imperialist force, remember this is World War I, okay?

01:09:34.000 They were like, America, the city on the hill that's all about freedom and doesn't intervene in our part of the world?

01:09:39.000 We love those guys!

01:09:40.000 Like, they had nothing but a positive feeling about those guys.

01:09:43.000 And likewise, early on, if you read the early Zionist writers, they were not, like, they didn't consider the Arabs to be an enemy.

01:09:51.000 So my point is just that actually, a lot of, I'm not saying every, the problem with when you go back to, say, like, the 7th century, or you go back hundreds and hundreds of years and go, look, they were being barbaric then, the truth is that everyone was being barbaric then.

01:10:05.000 If we look at more recent and more relevant history, you realize that actually, a lot of this, the Syrians, had no problem with America, they hated the British and the 0.88

01:10:15.000 French.

01:10:15.000 And the point is, social media algorithms are resulting in people sharing things they don't

01:10:20.000 understand and what I am bothered by is seeing people, I can use the specific example of Glenn

01:10:28.000 Greenwald, instead of pointing out what's going on, misrepresenting the summation of what bin

01:10:34.000 Laden wrote for the justification of their ideology.

01:10:37.000 I don't think he's misrepresenting it.

01:10:39.000 Oh, he literally is.

01:10:40.000 Well, no, I think he's trying to point out what he views as the most important aspect of that.

01:10:45.000 And I think maybe you're pointing out what you view as the most important aspect of that.

01:10:48.000 I'll tell you what I'm pointing out.

01:10:51.000 The letter has two questions.

01:10:52.000 The first one is 50-50 between the prevention of Sharia law and allowing of homosexuality along with foreign policy from the United States. 0.73

01:11:01.000 And the second part is that the U.S.

01:11:02.000 is not Islamic.

01:11:04.000 If you're going to claim his three grievances are specific U.S.

01:11:07.000 foreign policy actions, you are misrepresenting what Bin Laden said.

01:11:09.000 But he also says that he was- He did mention all of those specific grievances that Glenn

01:11:13.000 Greenwald laid out.

01:11:14.000 So my guess would be, and maybe this is a more charitable interpretation,

01:11:18.000 but I think that what Glenn Greenwald is saying is essentially that like,

01:11:22.000 kind of my position on this, that well, obviously it's a given that Osama Bin Laden's a bad guy 0.96

01:11:27.000 and an Islamist.

01:11:29.000 Like, no one's really... I mean, I guess some crazy 16-year-olds are, but no normal person is really questioning that. 0.93

01:11:35.000 But that's not the point, okay?

01:11:36.000 Look at his grievances here.

01:11:37.000 And now let me clarify for you again.

01:11:39.000 If bin Laden says, I attacked you because of these things, and Glenn says, actually it was these things, that's misrepresentation.

01:11:47.000 But he does mention those things.

01:11:48.000 He does say those things.

01:11:49.000 If bin Laden says there are two main points Okay, the first being the attacks on us, which includes physical and ideological.

01:11:57.000 Okay. 0.94

01:11:58.000 And the second half is, you must become Muslim. 1.00

01:12:02.000 And then Glenn goes, actually it was only about U.S.

01:12:04.000 foreign policy.

01:12:04.000 He didn't say that.

01:12:05.000 He didn't say it was only about that.

01:12:06.000 He said three points and he names three specific forms.

01:12:09.000 I'll tell you what bothers me.

01:12:10.000 What bothers me is when activists with policy ends lie to gain power.

01:12:14.000 I understand.

01:12:15.000 But it's not a lie as much as you're saying he left out part of it.

01:12:18.000 He mentioned three things and omitted... He explicitly states in his tweet That his three main grievances are... So he claims those are the main grievances.

01:12:26.000 And they're not.

01:12:27.000 There's two main grievances.

01:12:29.000 One is the attack on them and their ideology, both physical and ideological.

01:12:31.000 And the second is that we must convert to Islam. 0.95

01:12:33.000 Right. 1.00

01:12:34.000 So when people say, they hate us for our freedoms, I think it's stupid and oversimplified. 1.00

01:12:38.000 You could say, well look... And you're saying this is stupid and oversimplified. 0.99

01:12:41.000 When we engage in foreign wars which destroy the way of life of people who don't want to live the way we do, we're making enemies. 0.98

01:12:48.000 And what they want is for us to convert to their way of life. 0.80

01:12:52.000 If the United States foreign policy acted in ways that resulted in the benefit of Islam, bin Laden would have been happy and he would have wrote that. 1.00

01:12:59.000 See, here's the issue though.

01:13:00.000 Possibly.

01:13:01.000 Up until there was decades of interference into the Middle East, they weren't actually trying to get us to convert.

01:13:09.000 Yes, this aspect of his letter, obviously I reject it and I'm not going to become a Muslim to acquiesce to Osama bin Laden's demands.

01:13:16.000 Good call.

01:13:17.000 You'll be relieved to know he's dead.

01:13:22.000 But all I'm taking away from this letter is what aligns with reality.

01:13:26.000 And what does align with reality is that we have bombed his people for decades. 0.98

01:13:32.000 And he does categorize that.

01:13:33.000 He says that the sanctioned regime in Iraq, you guys don't care about this.

01:13:36.000 He says, we have tried to be civil.

01:13:38.000 We have tried to rationalize with you.

01:13:40.000 I pointed that out.

01:13:41.000 I agree.

01:13:41.000 Okay.

01:13:42.000 But that matters!

01:13:43.000 That's important to talk about.

01:13:44.000 It's broken into two sections.

01:13:46.000 You have physically and ideologically attacked us, and you won't convert. 0.96

01:13:48.000 Let me read another section for you.

01:13:50.000 This is section 2A of the second half of his letter.

01:13:52.000 We call you to be people of manners, principles, honor, and purity to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and trading with interest. 0.97

01:14:00.000 To say his main grievances are specifically U.S.

01:14:02.000 foreign policy is wrong.

01:14:05.000 Is he mad about U.S.

01:14:06.000 There were many other speeches and many other letters that he did where he mentioned these grievances over and over.

01:14:06.000 foreign policy?

01:14:11.000 You're right! 0.93

01:14:12.000 Again, he's a radical Islamist! 0.94

01:14:13.000 And my point is this... Like, I don't know... Why are people... I'm gonna lay it plainly.

01:14:21.000 I am sick of ideologues manipulating information for their personal ideological ends.

01:14:25.000 But you're making it sound as if it's not actually listed.

01:14:28.000 He does list it.

01:14:29.000 No, I agree.

01:14:30.000 Okay.

01:14:30.000 It is listed.

01:14:31.000 There's two sections.

01:14:32.000 The ideological and physical attacks, as well as we not converting to Islam.

01:14:35.000 Those are the two main... What I'm taking from it is...

01:14:38.000 What do I have control over?

01:14:40.000 I'm not going to become a radical Islamist.

01:14:42.000 I'm not going to adapt Sharia law. 0.98

01:14:44.000 What I can do is get my effing State Department to stop saying these things. 0.99

01:14:53.000 He was probably a psychopath. 1.00

01:14:54.000 He was a psychopath. 0.99

01:14:55.000 Are you arguing that he only attacked us because of US foreign policy? 0.99

01:14:58.000 Yes.

01:14:59.000 Let me say I think he would not have.

01:15:00.000 I don't think he would have had the capacity to attack us if not for the radicalization

01:15:04.000 that happens because of our sanction regime. 0.99

01:15:06.000 He was a psychopath. 0.94

01:15:07.000 I think the reason he was able to recruit enough people who were willing to commit suicide 0.99

01:15:12.000 and attacking us was probably blowback.

01:15:13.000 But let me say this.

01:15:14.000 This, I think, is essentially my disagreement with you.

01:15:16.000 And like you use the kind of Black Lives Matter, Michael Brown analogy.

01:15:20.000 I'd look at it kind of like if you were, let's say, you were trapping someone in your basement

01:15:27.000 and torturing them every single day.

01:15:28.000 And I think that's a very, very bad thing. 0.99

01:15:30.000 And they went crazy and completely lost their mind and wrote some manifesto, and half of the manifesto was like just the rantings of a madman, and half of it was like, and you came down here and you beat me with a wire every single day, and that's why I'm gonna try to kill you, and then that guy came and killed you. 0.92

01:15:47.000 I'd go, well, yeah, I mean, look at the manifesto. 0.97

01:15:50.000 He came and killed you because you were torturing him every day. 0.97

01:15:53.000 Whereas someone else could look at that and go, no, these are the rantings of a madman.

01:15:57.000 I get it, but I don't think the analogy is one-for-one.

01:15:59.000 No, it's not perfect.

01:16:00.000 It's not a perfect analogy.

01:16:01.000 But the Mike Brown analogy isn't a perfect analogy either.

01:16:04.000 I'm just saying that that is, I think, what he's trying to get at.

01:16:06.000 My point with Mike Brown is specifically for the leftists who are adopting this and claiming he's right. 1.00

01:16:11.000 Yeah, well, they're stupid. 1.00

01:16:12.000 And then when people like Glenn come out and say, well, bin Laden was mad about war, this fuels the indoctrination of moronic millennials. 1.00

01:16:20.000 And you keep saying 16-year-olds, but dude, these are millennials who are in their 30s. 0.96

01:16:23.000 No, I know, they're still 16, but I get your point.

01:16:25.000 Yes, they're very old 16 year olds.

01:16:26.000 And they're running for office, and they're in office, and they're chanting these things in the streets, they're in New York celebrating Hamas killing people.

01:16:33.000 I get your point on that, I'm just saying that also, I mean, Glenn Greenwald has like been serving them a heavy dose of reality through all of this.

01:16:43.000 Fair enough, fair enough.

01:16:44.000 But I'm also saying that I don't technically think he said anything wrong.

01:16:48.000 If you want to say he omitted the fact that Osama Bin Laden is also a radical Islamist, I would just be charitable and say like, I think that's a given for sane people. 0.99

01:16:57.000 It's not a given for these people that you're pulling on.

01:16:59.000 So fair enough.

01:17:00.000 Anyone who read Glenn Greenwald's tweet would have an incorrect interpretation of the summation of the letter.

01:17:06.000 I think if they only heard your interpretation, they'd have an incorrect summation too.

01:17:11.000 I gave you the two full points and gave you the summary of them.

01:17:14.000 But there's a lot that's included in there.

01:17:16.000 The sanction regime you didn't mention, that was 1.5 million.

01:17:18.000 He says, we killed 3,000 of yours, all of a sudden you care.

01:17:22.000 The whole reason that they- Yes, the physical attacks on their countries.

01:17:27.000 That detail matters a lot because he's saying, he's saying, he's saying, I have tried to have civil conversation.

01:17:32.000 Y'all don't listen to us.

01:17:34.000 You only respond to aggression.

01:17:36.000 We're going to give you aggression. 0.97

01:17:37.000 I'm not justifying it.

01:17:39.000 And there is a terrible in section one, if I'm not mistaken, cause I didn't get a chance to read this today when we found it.

01:17:44.000 Cause it's been scrubbed from the internet.

01:17:45.000 It's been years since I've read this.

01:17:46.000 And so I'm going off memory, but I did think in section one, he did list out those three grievances, right?

01:17:51.000 Like I understand there were the two sections, but I think he did list out the three grievances of like There's way more.

01:17:56.000 And the first grievance is Palestine. 0.80

01:17:57.000 So for Glenn to say it's Iraq and it's Israel and then Saudi land when actually the first point was Palestine.

01:18:01.000 is that the first grievance is palestine also for glenn to say it's iraq

01:18:06.000 and it's israel and then saudi land when actually the first point was so it

01:18:11.000 should be israel then arrived so it's it's so it's it's israel

01:18:16.000 it is israel it is israel

01:18:19.000 it is israel okay that's a malia uh... number five is somalia

01:18:23.000 then it's uh...

01:18:25.000 uh... the next section goes on to be like you guys use bonds prevent sharia

01:18:30.000 everywhere but he doesn't talk about a global caliphate he's not talking to i

01:18:33.000 know but but the point you're bringing up with the specific things i'm not

01:18:36.000 there yet i'm in section of seven not there yet eight not there yet nine

01:18:40.000 palestine still uh... ten uh... still not there still we want your real on

01:18:44.000 your blocking sharia the next one is uh... okay you're stealing our oil 0.97

01:18:48.000 And it's the biggest theft of mankind.

01:18:50.000 Okay, still not those specific military things, but yes, generally foreign policy.

01:18:53.000 Here we go.

01:18:54.000 Finally, I think we're at point 13.

01:18:55.000 You occupy our countries with military bases and allow Jews to ensure the continuity. 1.00

01:18:59.000 You're skipping over number one after like paragraph two where he says, because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

01:19:05.000 And then he says, A, you attacked us in Palestine.

01:19:07.000 And then he starts to list this off.

01:19:08.000 How many times do I got to say the first section is that we attack them?

01:19:10.000 Well, I know, but you're saying he doesn't do it until the very end.

01:19:14.000 He does do it in the very beginning.

01:19:14.000 That's not true.

01:19:15.000 The points that Glenn Greenwald made have not even come up after the 15th paragraph.

01:19:20.000 You're saying that the Iraq blockade didn't come up until much later.

01:19:24.000 I'm saying that for Glenn, To make these points, that these are the main grievances, is Glenn choosing subjects that benefit his ideology, and it's manipulative, and I am sick of ideologues who do this.

01:19:35.000 I don't care if you're the left, right, libertarian, up, down, whatever.

01:19:38.000 I don't care if you're Christian, Muslim, whatever. 0.91

01:19:39.000 If you're gonna lie to me to steal power, I'm gonna call you out for it.

01:19:42.000 Well, I don't think Glenn Greenwald is trying to steal any power.

01:19:45.000 He's trying to impose his ideological values by obfuscating what's actually being said.

01:19:50.000 He has his own bias.

01:19:51.000 When he reads this, he takes away certain, you know, notes that he thinks that that's the summation.

01:19:55.000 Can we say, screw Glenn Greenwald and let's talk about the substance of this letter for a little bit?

01:20:00.000 And my point is, just using him as a singular example, the left is arguing that bin Laden is right because the first 15 paragraphs are almost entirely about Palestine. 0.93

01:20:10.000 And the context is, Israel and Palestine are currently in the hottest conflict we've seen in our lifetimes.

01:20:17.000 And so they are deciding to claim all of his stuff about Sharia and Islam is also correct in its entirety. 0.96

01:20:23.000 Well, look, I mean, look, again, I think you can say this, and I know there's a tendency for people to kind of caricature what, characterize what you say, but Why is it that this is there's fertile ground for even this type of craziness to take off right now and it is because well look there's this war in Gaza going on right now which is pretty horrific and a lot of like innocent people are dying in that war and so even when you have this letter that's talking all about how those people over there hate you in large part because of what your government has propped up Israel to be able to do in Gaza 0.66

01:20:59.000 This is probably, at least partially, why there's fertile ground for this narrative to catch fire right now.

01:21:06.000 That doesn't mean it's completely right.

01:21:07.000 No, it's actually not right.

01:21:09.000 But here's the problem is that we lied to the American people. 0.99

01:21:11.000 Not we, but the fucking government did. 0.99

01:21:13.000 They didn't tell us the truth about why they were actually upset with us. 0.99

01:21:16.000 So now you have all of these kids that are growing up going like, they hate us because we're free.

01:21:20.000 And then they realize, oh, it's actually not just that.

01:21:22.000 It's actually not, because it's not true, and it hasn't been true from the beginning.

01:21:26.000 So because they were deceived, now they go to TikTok to learn history lessons, and then they get misled, and we're all upset about it.

01:21:33.000 Well, how about we just start by telling the truth?

01:21:35.000 And my point is, social media is indoctrinating young people, the millennials and lower, into psychotic beliefs.

01:21:41.000 This kid I pointed up did not just say we were lied to, he says Bin Laden was right. 1.00

01:21:45.000 Yes, okay, now that's stupid, but here's the really sad thing, Tim. 0.97

01:21:50.000 Even though you're right and that is insane, they're getting better history than George W. Bush taught them. 0.99

01:21:55.000 So as crazy as all of this is, at least now they're hearing the other side of the story. 0.93

01:22:01.000 They're still reaching a very dumb conclusion if their conclusion is Osama bin Laden was right. 1.00

01:22:05.000 They did not read the letter. 0.93

01:22:07.000 Okay, I don't know.

01:22:08.000 There's no way of knowing that for sure.

01:22:10.000 There's no reasonable way to say that a leftist agrees with the statement that we must ban homosexuality. 0.89

01:22:15.000 Yeah, I agree with you. 0.75

01:22:18.000 Here's why I think you're wrong in a sense, because the leftists will be so hypocritical that almost every situation they look at, they have to look at it through who is the oppressor versus who is the oppressed, and whoever is the the more white European looking ones is always the more

01:22:35.000 oppressed.

01:22:36.000 And if those two things completely contradict each other, it doesn't matter.

01:22:40.000 Yeah.

01:22:41.000 I want to just in general, if a Muslim is being oppressed, then they'll be like, okay,

01:22:47.000 we're on the side of the Muslim.

01:22:48.000 And then if they feel like a gay person's being oppressed, they're on the side of the 0.94

01:22:50.000 gay person. 0.91

01:22:51.000 And the fact that that Muslim and that gay person would not get along very well, just 1.00

01:22:55.000 does not like register. 0.99

01:22:57.000 And I agree with you, but it's more mostly about ignorance.

01:22:59.000 Like when they have queers for Palestine and they made the pride Palestine flag, there's 1.00

01:23:04.000 a big difference between not knowing anything and just waving a flag.

01:23:07.000 So when reading a direct statement that says abandon and ban.

01:23:11.000 If Osama Bin Laden woke up and was like, geez, it's 8.30am, well, Osama Bin Laden was right. 1.00

01:23:16.000 That doesn't mean that he's right about everything he said.

01:23:18.000 Probably some things in here are correct.

01:23:19.000 It's specifically about why they were attacking.

01:23:21.000 He seems pretty honest.

01:23:22.000 The Palestine stuff. 0.60

01:23:23.000 But then we gotta be clear, he didn't say that they're fighting us because we won't adopt Sharia.

01:23:27.000 Part of it is, you won't let us practice our Sharia in our countries of choice, so we will fight. 0.57

01:23:31.000 Then the second part, what are we calling on you to do now, is like, adopt Sharia. 0.98

01:23:35.000 They're pissed.

01:23:36.000 They're beyond the pale at that point.

01:23:37.000 Yes, because he says, you guys have aggressed so consistently, and you don't listen to reason, you don't listen to rational discussion, you don't want to have any negotiations, you don't want to be civil at all.

01:23:47.000 Think about this.

01:23:48.000 We phrase these radical jihadis as the most uncivil, barbaric people on the planet. 0.65

01:23:54.000 They look at us, the Americans, and they say, y'all aren't civil. 0.98

01:23:58.000 Think about how crazy that is.

01:24:00.000 The headchoppers in Syria think that the American empire isn't civil.

01:24:05.000 People need to internalize this. 0.99

01:24:06.000 Actually think about what they're saying there.

01:24:08.000 That's profound.

01:24:09.000 That's profound that they think that we are the barbarians on earth.

01:24:13.000 Like, take it in for a second.

01:24:14.000 For real.

01:24:15.000 You know, this is something that I kind of like came across in the debate I was doing last night.

01:24:19.000 And there's part of this thing where, look, we are unquestionably Say the United States of America and Israel compared to the Muslim world in which we've fought a lot of wars over the last couple decades. 0.99

01:24:36.000 We are undeniably much more advanced, much more sophisticated, much more systematized, and they are much more primitive than us.

01:24:46.000 And so it's very easy for people to go like, you know, what people who are on, say, like the pro-Israeli side of the argument, if you go, well, look, I mean, Hamas killed all these people.

01:24:57.000 I think that's really wrong.

01:24:58.000 What happened on October 7th?

01:24:59.000 But then look, Israel's killing all these innocent people in response.

01:25:02.000 And I think that's wrong.

01:25:03.000 It's very easy for them to be like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:25:06.000 That was barbarians targeting civilians, and this is collateral damage done by military strikes.

01:25:14.000 And it's very easy in the Western world to feel this difference.

01:25:19.000 That like, well, no, but that's just different.

01:25:21.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:22.000 This is kind of like, look, this is bad policy.

01:25:25.000 Or even good policy that happens to have these negative, you know, results.

01:25:32.000 But, if those are your kids, and your sisters, and your mothers, and your wives, who are dying as a result of that policy, it is very easy to say, that is every bit as barbaric, that is every bit as evil, as whatever, you know what I mean, could be done in return.

01:25:50.000 It's even more brutal because you're coming from a very poor place.

01:25:53.000 The people in Gaza are so destitute.

01:25:55.000 You have a full sanctioned regime.

01:25:57.000 All they've dealt with is bombardment year after year, sniper fire. 0.99

01:26:02.000 These people have been radicalized and we refuse to just look in the damn mirror and say, why? 0.99

01:26:08.000 Why is this happening? 0.98

01:26:09.000 Can we do anything to actually intervene on behalf of these people as opposed to just going, look at what Hamas did.

01:26:16.000 Let's flatten everybody.

01:26:17.000 Let's continue the cycle of death and destruction.

01:26:20.000 All I'm calling upon people to do is to actually reflect on what got us here.

01:26:24.000 That doesn't justify anything.

01:26:25.000 It doesn't say that Hamas are the good people. 1.00

01:26:27.000 It says, can we stop this cycle of violence?

01:26:30.000 Can we?

01:26:31.000 And for a lot of people, the answer is no, we can't.

01:26:34.000 I reject that.

01:26:36.000 Please, religious man, back me up here!

01:26:42.000 I can't speak to the specific history of the Israel-Palestine conflict because I don't know much about it, but what I will say is you can acknowledge that Islam has a unique problem of violence while also looking at the United States, seeing our own history, recognizing that, for example, in 2001, When New York was attacked, we felt that was an attack on our whole country and rightly so. 1.00

01:27:04.000 I have friends born and raised in Georgia who fought up, who enlisted to fight in a war in the Middle East because people who they'd never met in their entire lives and probably never would were killed in a different state.

01:27:16.000 Same.

01:27:17.000 And So, it's reasonable to say that even if I don't agree with their cause, for them, as people, to have their neighbors or family members killed in these conflicts, and then have that result in them wanting to take up arms against the West, while it's not something I'm saying I agree with Osama bin Laden, it is to say that that's predictable.

01:27:41.000 Yes, exactly.

01:27:42.000 It's predictable.

01:27:43.000 Look, all of the wisest people who predicted everything that's gone wrong over the last 30 years in America, I mean like all of the best people, like the Pat Buchanans and the Ron Pauls and like all of the guys who stood up and were right about all of this stuff, they always said, like again to mention that Pat Buchanan quote, that terrorism is the price of empire.

01:28:06.000 And if you want, and this is all of it, this isn't an Islamic, like, problem. 0.88

01:28:10.000 Look at the Irish, when the British were dominating them. 0.99

01:28:13.000 He literally pointed at my alcohol, by the way, when he's like, look at the Irish! 0.99

01:28:17.000 Look at this guy over here! 0.94

01:28:18.000 Look at these sloppy drunks, okay?

01:28:21.000 But right, okay, this is true all around the world.

01:28:23.000 Terrorism is almost always the tool of the dominated.

01:28:29.000 Like, this is what they have left in their arsenal.

01:28:32.000 And I'm not saying that they might have some goofy beliefs that also go along with that, because when people get desperate, they tend to cling to whoever the most radical person around trying to recruit them is.

01:28:43.000 Let's clarify.

01:28:44.000 The George Bushian terrorism was...

01:28:48.000 Insurgents and militants have attacked our military.

01:28:50.000 That's terrorism.

01:28:51.000 They call it a terror attack when a bomb is planted in a military base.

01:28:54.000 Hold on.

01:28:55.000 If our military is being attacked by foreign fighters in a foreign country that we invaded, that's not terrorism.

01:29:00.000 They're calling it that because they want to win a political point.

01:29:02.000 Terrorism is, why did Hamas target the music festival?

01:29:08.000 That's terrorism.

01:29:09.000 Targeting civilians intentionally for the purpose of gaining leverage over your enemy, terrorizing the people in the country to win political power.

01:29:16.000 They want to inflict as much damage as possible on civilians because they know that the reaction will be catastrophic and because of that the rest of the Arab world and the Muslim world may rally to the defense. 0.90

01:29:27.000 That is exactly what terrorism is designed to do.

01:29:32.000 Max Blumenthal said that Hamas targeted the music festival as a target of opportunity, knowing they could use civilians as leverage against the Israeli government.

01:29:40.000 And I think the general assessment is Hamas wanted to disrupt the Abraham Accords, and they wanted to force, like the United States, what did they do?

01:29:47.000 Biden promises $100 million to the Strip and the West Bank, of which a lot of that will flow into the hands of Hamas.

01:29:52.000 Yeah, but look, I mean, again, and this is, just to be clear here, if you ever say, put yourself in their shoes, this is not saying, Therefore, they're right about everything.

01:30:02.000 I'm just saying, to understand the situation, what were the Abraham Accords really?

01:30:08.000 For years, even when I was a kid, under Yitzhak Rabin, who was the Prime Minister of Israel, and from way before then, the entire framing of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians was basically that Look, there is this resentment within the Arab world that Israel illegitimately got this land and kicked all of these Muslims off of this land to create their country and then continued.

01:30:36.000 Not only did they take what the UN partition recommendation recommended by force, but then they took way more than that and then way more than that by war.

01:30:46.000 And this isn't right.

01:30:47.000 And all these Arabs should be allowed to return. 1.00

01:30:49.000 That's their perspective, okay?

01:30:51.000 And forever.

01:30:51.000 And all the way up to Yitzhak Rabin in the 90s.

01:30:54.000 The idea was that, look, we have to either make peace or kind of pretend to make peace or at least act as if we're offering a two-state solution here before we can ever make peace with the broader Arab world.

01:31:09.000 The Netanyahu strategy was to go, screw that.

01:31:14.000 We're never making peace with these Palestinians. 1.00

01:31:17.000 You'll never get your state.

01:31:18.000 We're gonna support Hamas just so you don't get your state. 1.00

01:31:22.000 And what we're gonna do is try to buy off with US taxpayer dollars the rest of the Arab world to abandon your cause and recognize us and normalize relationships with us even though we will never give you your state. 0.67

01:31:38.000 Is that bad?

01:31:39.000 Well, I'm not saying... Forget even the moral... Yes, I do think it's bad, but forget even the moral judgment for a second.

01:31:44.000 I'm saying put yourself in the shoes of the Palestinians. 1.00

01:31:48.000 This deal is now to buy off your last lifeline, which would be these surrounding Arab countries, and that you will never get... There's no more hope. 1.00

01:31:58.000 You will be dominated forever.

01:32:00.000 So of course they would want to break up.

01:32:02.000 And what do people without hope do?

01:32:05.000 Yeah, radical things.

01:32:06.000 And my point is just the distinction between the George Bush-ian description of terrorism when they say, oh, some Iraqis just blew up a truck. 0.53

01:32:14.000 They're terrorists.

01:32:15.000 It's like, well, dude, you're an invading military force in a country that doesn't belong there.

01:32:18.000 So you're saying they're defending themselves versus people who are aggressing against foreign citizens.

01:32:21.000 Well, I'm not saying defending themselves.

01:32:22.000 I'm saying military action is different from people targeting civilians explicitly for gain.

01:32:29.000 Oh, I completely agree with that!

01:32:30.000 But I'm not even saying, you don't have to define them the way I'm defining them, I'm saying there's a distinction between the two.

01:32:34.000 Sure, yes.

01:32:35.000 And typically in American foreign policy, they say, oh, when people refer to the George Bush era definition of terrorism, when they were saying things like, you'll get terrorism, they were talking in the news about Iraqis or Afghanis bombing U.S.

01:32:49.000 military targets, and then the media would call that a terrorist attack.

01:32:53.000 Because it scared people in the same way 9-11 did.

01:32:55.000 Sure, no, but when I was referring to Pat Buchanan's quote, he was talking about 9-11, he was talking about the African Embassy bombing, so I get your point. 0.95

01:33:02.000 Look, fighting off an invading army is a very different thing than attacking people in a country that's dominating your country.

01:33:12.000 I guess the broader point is 9-11 was a terrorist attack.

01:33:15.000 They attacked civilian targets, they killed thousands of civilians, and then that freaked Americans out to a great degree.

01:33:21.000 The U.S.

01:33:21.000 that invades, for some reason, Iraq!

01:33:24.000 Whatever.

01:33:25.000 And when the Iraqis resist, the reason they call it terrorism is to invoke the same sense of dread and fear in Americans that they felt from 9-11. 0.67

01:33:32.000 Yeah.

01:33:32.000 Even though it's a military.

01:33:34.000 Which is absurdly unfair to the Iraqis who had every right to defend themselves from the American empire that was attacking them for no reason at all.

01:33:42.000 In hindsight, zero reason.

01:33:44.000 There's a reason.

01:33:45.000 Please.

01:33:46.000 Yeah, we set up military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan surrounding Iran because we also want to attack Iran. 1.00

01:33:50.000 Well, that's right.

01:33:50.000 Bingo!

01:33:51.000 There were a lot of reasons, but look.

01:33:52.000 Yeah, the reasons are not good ones.

01:33:54.000 I think like, and this is what I try to say with this when you first start, if you're trying to first start understanding the whole thing, and then, because you got to understand it before you can really know what the correct policy is, but if you understand, because really, like I remember There was, I was on a, I used to, I was a contributor on an Essie Cup show, which she had a show on CNN back in, this was like in 2017 or something like that.

01:34:20.000 And there was like this little- I'm such an OG Dave Smith fan, I watched every single episode.

01:34:25.000 Well, you're one of the 17 people who watched that show.

01:34:29.000 It didn't go great.

01:34:30.000 But it was good money, it was a good time, and it was fun for me at the time.

01:34:34.000 But there was this ISIS attack in New York City, and a very, on the scale of terrorism, a very minor one.

01:34:39.000 Was it a truck crash?

01:34:41.000 Yeah it was a truck crash and he jumped out and he hit someone with the van and jumped out and shot off a gun and he said he was ISIS but like even that it wasn't even like really connected it was like a crazy person here who happened to be Muslim who happened to say I'm with ISIS and so we're going around this panel and I was just making the argument about how you know like You know, we always say we have to attack him over there, so we don't have to fight him over here, but the more we fight him over there, the more we're fighting him over here, and how there's kind of this cycle of blowback.

01:35:11.000 And then there was this Democratic strategist who was next to me.

01:35:16.000 I went off on a rant, the way I tend to do.

01:35:19.000 And then he just goes to me, and he goes, yeah, but I'm sorry, but so you're just saying we have to do nothing?

01:35:26.000 You're saying the response to this is we have to do nothing?

01:35:28.000 I think we have to do something.

01:35:30.000 And that was all he said.

01:35:32.000 And this was like a professional democratic strategist.

01:35:35.000 And that was his takeaway.

01:35:37.000 It was like, literally, I felt like a caveman was next to me.

01:35:40.000 Like, you go, you say nothing, I say something.

01:35:43.000 And I went, oh, OK.

01:35:46.000 Something is superior.

01:35:47.000 You should have said, getting rid of our bases isn't nothing.

01:35:49.000 Right, well, right.

01:35:51.000 But I kind of looked at it, and I was like, well, look.

01:35:53.000 But do you see how you're feeling right now?

01:35:56.000 We gotta do something.

01:35:57.000 And what do you mean by something? 0.99

01:35:59.000 You mean kill some people. 0.81

01:36:01.000 Like, it's like, our people got killed. 0.98

01:36:04.000 What are you saying?

01:36:04.000 We don't go kill some of their people?

01:36:06.000 And don't we totally understand, right?

01:36:08.000 Everyone totally understands where after October 7th, what's the Israeli response?

01:36:13.000 Flatten Gaza! 0.99

01:36:15.000 What are the calls from all the politicians?

01:36:16.000 Are you out of your mind?

01:36:17.000 Aren't these innocent?

01:36:18.000 And by the way, I'm saying I understand that response.

01:36:21.000 I understand.

01:36:22.000 Look, dude, when you look at those pictures of babies who died on October 7th, I look at those pictures and I see my kids' faces in those kids' faces.

01:36:31.000 It's horrific.

01:36:32.000 I think to myself, how would I feel if those were my kids?

01:36:35.000 And I'll tell you, I'd feel exactly that way.

01:36:38.000 I'd feel exactly that way. 0.99

01:36:39.000 Somebody better die over this.

01:36:41.000 And I don't even really care if some innocent people get killed. 0.99

01:36:44.000 Whoever did this better die over this.

01:36:46.000 But then look at the babies of the dead Palestinians and just understand it for nothing else other than just for strategic empathy.

01:36:54.000 Understand it so you know what's going on here.

01:36:57.000 That they also feel that way about their kids.

01:37:00.000 And to be honest, I also see my kids' faces in those dead Palestinian kids' faces. 0.98

01:37:04.000 Exactly.

01:37:04.000 And it's like, okay, so once you understand that, you recognize that you're like, this whole cycle is only going to continue until we recognize that there's actually, sure, they might be Islamists and we're more secular or something like that.

01:37:20.000 Not me.

01:37:20.000 But the fundamental thing that's going, obviously, certain, exclude, but listen, The fundamental thing that's going on here is something that unites us more than divides us.

01:37:32.000 That we're both responding to the fact that our people got killed and now we got to go kill your people. 0.99

01:37:37.000 And we want to protect our children. 0.58

01:37:39.000 That's a very human instinct regardless of our cultural differences.

01:37:42.000 I know we got to go to Super Chats, but before we do that, I just want to say real quick, look, I'm a finance guy. All of the inflationary pressures that

01:37:50.000 we're dealing with right now are a product of our empire. The dollar reserve currency

01:37:54.000 status, whether you care about the Palestinians or the Israelis, it's really irrelevant. For

01:37:58.000 your own family's sake, for the sake of everyone you know and love when it comes to

01:38:03.000 your capacity to save and invest and retire, buy things.

01:38:07.000 Everything is predicated off of whether or not the American government and the American people are willing to be adults about the situation that we stand in today and we say, we can't continue down this path.

01:38:18.000 It's totally self-destructive.

01:38:20.000 It's actually suicidal what we're doing to ourselves.

01:38:22.000 So we have to take a non-interventionist position moving forward, not just for the sake of the world, but also for ourselves.

01:38:28.000 Can I just say one last thing before we go to Super Chats, and I'll try to keep this as brief as possible, but I know, Tim, that even in some areas where we may have some slight disagreements on this, because I listen to the show regularly and I know that you are completely, me and you, totally agree on what the American policy on this should be, which is that you're like, is not our fight we're not involved on this like yes yes

01:38:48.000 please that we just shouldn't be to Italy or something. Why on earth are we

01:38:52.000 when we're 30 plus trillion dollars in debt trying to get involved in every

01:38:55.000 single fight and fund every with every other country and all of this but I will

01:38:58.000 just say this because I mentioned the King Crane Commission before so the King Crane

01:39:02.000 Commission one last thing that was really interesting about their findings

01:39:04.000 because they go at have you read this Clint? No. We really got

01:39:07.000 You should check us out.

01:39:08.000 I'm going to.

01:39:09.000 Fascinating.

01:39:09.000 So they go after World War One.

01:39:11.000 So the Balfour Declaration has already been made where the British basically said, uh,

01:39:16.000 we it pleases the king that the Jews have a homeland in Palestine as long as they don't 1.00

01:39:22.000 violate the the rights of the non Jewish population there.

01:39:27.000 And one of the things that the King Crane Commission came back after interviewing and

01:39:30.000 surveying thousands of people in Palestine is they came back and they gave this recommendation

01:39:35.000 to Woodrow Wilson, who was the president at the time.

01:39:38.000 And they were like, listen, Mr. President, let me just tell you about this Balfour Declaration.

01:39:43.000 It is unworkable because there is no way that the Zionist project can go forward while being 1.00

01:39:50.000 consistent with the rights of the non Jewish people in the land.

01:39:54.000 And they said, it will take an army, a military force, they said, of at least 50,000 people to force this on the Arabs.

01:40:04.000 And they said, just know Mr. President, Woodrow Wilson, that you're not only, if you're supporting the Zionist project, you're not only committing yourself, But you're committing America to supporting force against the Arab population to create and maintain a Jewish state here.

01:40:24.000 So basically what they were saying, now Woodrow Wilson ended up having a stroke and being incapacitated, best thing he ever did in his administration, but then he never got this message.

01:40:33.000 But I'm just saying, when they said to create and maintain, they basically said if you're going to support Israel, what is now Israel, You're committing in perpetuity to commit force against this part of the world. 0.77

01:40:48.000 And I think that's something that we have to recognize.

01:40:51.000 It might be worth it, but understand that there is a cost that comes along with that.

01:40:55.000 We're going to go to Super Chats, so smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends.

01:40:58.000 Go to TimCast.com, click join us, because if you thought this one was rowdy, wait till we can swear.

01:41:03.000 Actually, I think we were already swearing.

01:41:04.000 I've been holding it in so much.

01:41:06.000 Wait till Dave and Clint can say all the naughty words.

01:41:09.000 Control demolition.

01:41:12.000 The dirtiest words I can think of.

01:41:14.000 But also, especially check out tomorrow's Culture War episode on Tenet Media, where we're going to have Scott Horton and Will Chamberlain debating Israel.

01:41:21.000 This is going to be fun.

01:41:22.000 But we'll read your Super Chats now.

01:41:24.000 Clint Torres says, Howdy people!

01:41:26.000 Tim, I'll be leaving the country tonight for a few days, so there will be ample opportunity for others to pretend to be the fastest.

01:41:31.000 Ah, that's right.

01:41:31.000 Clint is always the first Super Chat.

01:41:33.000 Speaking about you last night, Clint.

01:41:35.000 Yeah, I've been doing that from my phone at home.

01:41:37.000 I am actually Clint Torres, so that's awkward.

01:41:40.000 That's you, huh?

01:41:40.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:41:41.000 I just thought it'd be funny if it were.

01:41:42.000 Alright.

01:41:43.000 Volciferon says, the Alex Jones video game is hilarious.

01:41:46.000 Yeah, did you guys see this?

01:41:46.000 No.

01:41:47.000 I haven't.

01:41:47.000 I saw that there was some hubbub about it, as the kids say, but I haven't seen the game.

01:41:54.000 What do we have here?

01:41:55.000 We'll grab some more Super Chats.

01:41:57.000 All right.

01:41:58.000 Let's scroll down.

01:42:00.000 Alpha Turkey saying the Osama thing with Gen Z is wild. 0.61

01:42:03.000 Wild is certainly one way to say it.

01:42:05.000 Yeah.

01:42:06.000 All right.

01:42:06.000 Curtis C says white wheelchair Santa is $1.40 more than black wheelchair Santa.

01:42:12.000 It's patriarchy. 0.90

01:42:13.000 Really?

01:42:13.000 Hmm.

01:42:15.000 Tien the Husky says, Lauren has a lot of passion, but she is unable to listen and understand other points of view.

01:42:20.000 30 going on 13, seems like.

01:42:21.000 Lauren?

01:42:22.000 Laura?

01:42:23.000 Loomer?

01:42:24.000 I think they mean Laura.

01:42:25.000 Cause you mentioned- Oh, Laura Loomer?

01:42:26.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:27.000 No, they're talking about when I argued with you and Lauren Southern on Culture War.

01:42:31.000 Yeah, that was my first thought.

01:42:33.000 I don't think they were talking about Lauren Southern.

01:42:35.000 They were.

01:42:36.000 Creator of Infused.

01:42:37.000 Augusto Mimiche says, it's my birthday and I can't think of a better birthday gift than having Dave Smith on IRL.

01:42:42.000 The only thing I ask for is Dave's Trump impression.

01:42:45.000 I don't really do a very good Trump impression.

01:42:47.000 Nobody does.

01:42:48.000 Give me Trump getting us out of the Middle Eastern wars.

01:42:51.000 Oh, Tim does the best Trump impression. 0.99

01:42:53.000 Yeah, Tim Dillon, uh, no, not Tim Dillon, uh, fucking... Tim Poole? 0.91

01:42:56.000 Shane does the best, uh... Oh, yeah, Shane's is great. 0.96

01:42:58.000 Shane Gillis.

01:42:59.000 Shane Gillis is wild.

01:43:00.000 I have people, I mean, I guess if that's what people are implying.

01:43:02.000 It's great.

01:43:03.000 I don't think so.

01:43:03.000 Maybe we'll do it in the members only and we'll see if I can put it.

01:43:06.000 I kind of feel like I can do impressions if no one tells me to do an impression.

01:43:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:09.000 I didn't mean to prompt you, I'm just saying you're very good at it.

01:43:11.000 People are like, so people love my Pelosi impersonation because my Pelosi impersonation is just intended to make her sound as disgusting as possible. 1.00

01:43:20.000 Donald Trump is so disgusting! 0.99

01:43:23.000 And it's not really meant to impress her. 1.00

01:43:25.000 Uncanny.

01:43:25.000 Dude, we played poker the last time I was here.

01:43:27.000 Sometimes those are the best impressions.

01:43:28.000 But I like feel the same thing that I feel when she speaks.

01:43:30.000 And that's what an impression's about.

01:43:32.000 We played poker the last time I was here, and these two were just doing Trump impressions back and forth.

01:43:36.000 That's true, yeah, me and Tim.

01:43:39.000 By the way, happy birthday to the guy who said this was his birthday.

01:43:42.000 Oh yeah, Mimiche. 0.94

01:43:43.000 Mr. Mimiche himself.

01:43:44.000 Seamus and I were doing this thing where it was Trump and Mini-Trump.

01:43:47.000 And then I would do a Trump impersonation, and then he would do a higher-pitched version of it.

01:43:51.000 But then I guess he found out someone actually already did it.

01:43:53.000 Yeah, I think Zach Hadle already did a bit like that.

01:43:55.000 That's unfortunate.

01:43:57.000 Happy 70th birthday to my dad, Charlie.

01:44:00.000 I didn't get to see you last week.

01:44:02.000 I love you very much.

01:44:03.000 I am the voice of Dr. Anthony Fauci on the recurring cast member on Freedom Tunes.

01:44:09.000 But what happened was Trump was like the reasonable one and then Mini Trump was like the far more offensive, like, awful one who's just saying all the terrible things the media wants you to think Trump would say.

01:44:20.000 So Trump would be like, no, we don't hate all of them.

01:44:21.000 Like, yes we do, we hate all of them.

01:44:24.000 It was a lot of fun.

01:44:25.000 And then eventually Mini Trump has Trump arrested. 1.00

01:44:29.000 Tiny Trump, like, takes over.

01:44:30.000 He's like, we're getting rid of the big Donald no more.

01:44:34.000 We don't need him.

01:44:35.000 All right.

01:44:35.000 Jesus Crisp says, I plan on hanging spoons with care on my chimney this Christmas.

01:44:39.000 If I'm really good and Catholic this year, maybe Seamus will make a visit.

01:44:42.000 And yes, there will be a potato and Irish whiskey.

01:44:45.000 Oh, I caught the cat yesterday.

01:44:47.000 Nice job.

01:44:47.000 And we named it Seamus.

01:44:48.000 They said they're gonna name the cat Seamus.

01:44:50.000 Dude, you wanna hear a really funny story?

01:44:51.000 I said I didn't name it Seamus.

01:44:52.000 My friends, I went over to their house once, and they had this little disabled goat, and they're like, yeah, we named him Seamus. 1.00

01:44:58.000 And they were convincing me they named it Seamus.

01:44:59.000 Turns out it was totally not his name.

01:45:01.000 His name was Gibbless.

01:45:02.000 But for a while, I was like, I was honored.

01:45:04.000 They thought that that was gonna make me feel bad.

01:45:05.000 I was like, that's a great name for him.

01:45:07.000 I gotta read this one.

01:45:08.000 George M. says, WTF is going on?

01:45:12.000 Left-wing civil war? 0.73

01:45:12.000 Right-wing civil war? 0.73

01:45:13.000 Seamus on Timcast?

01:45:15.000 No elections?

01:45:15.000 Boys can be girls?

01:45:16.000 Kids praising terrorists?

01:45:18.000 And all I really want to know is, what does she bring to the table?

01:45:21.000 Thank you!

01:45:22.000 If you guys want to understand that reference, go over to YouTube.com slash Freedom Tunes.

01:45:26.000 Check out our newest cartoon.

01:45:27.000 I think you'll enjoy it.

01:45:28.000 So, now I'm gonna get to the part of the show where I only read the superchats that agreed with me.

01:45:32.000 Okay.

01:45:33.000 That's a good call.

01:45:34.000 Let's go.

01:45:35.000 No, but there is one, and we'll see. 0.99

01:45:39.000 There's certainly a lot that are calling me stupid. 0.99

01:45:40.000 Our good friend RealHydro is just calling me the lowest IQ guy in the room, so respect. 0.97

01:45:44.000 We appreciate the money.

01:45:45.000 I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, Tim is more right than you think, sadly. 1.00

01:45:51.000 Then RealHydro says, Tim is an idiot and low IQ, so we'll definitely make sure we get some of those in. 1.00

01:45:56.000 And let me try and find a good one. 1.00

01:45:59.000 Uh, let's see, let's see.

01:46:00.000 Who sends someone money to say that?

01:46:03.000 It's such a weird- I'm sorry, I mean like, that's the lowest IQ thing I've ever heard in my life.

01:46:08.000 I don't think you're smart, here's my money.

01:46:11.000 I mean, like, real Hydro's a regular on the show.

01:46:15.000 I love you, real Hydro.

01:46:16.000 I don't shout at him. 0.98

01:46:18.000 Send more money to Tim to tell him how dumb he is, please. 0.99

01:46:20.000 I'm just teasing. 1.00

01:46:21.000 Oh, but he probably gives like a hundred bucks a day to insult me.

01:46:25.000 That's awesome.

01:46:26.000 I'm just like, alright.

01:46:27.000 Subscribe to Liberty Lockdown, Hydro.

01:46:30.000 I need your money.

01:46:31.000 I'll tell you though, there's a weird relationship with the whole internet and everything.

01:46:34.000 It's something, the mix between like anonymity and internet shows where I know people who will literally like do the same thing, like insult me on Twitter every day. 0.99

01:46:45.000 But then there'll be like this thing, like, there'll be like, ah, Dave's such an idiot. 0.92

01:46:48.000 At one minute, at one hour and 13 minutes on his last episode, he said this, which is totally wrong. 0.97

01:46:53.000 And you're like, dude, you're a fan.

01:46:56.000 I've got the term.

01:46:56.000 You're an hour and 13 minutes into this.

01:46:59.000 What is this relationship where you consume all of my content and then try to hurl insults at me the next day?

01:47:06.000 It's so strange.

01:47:07.000 Imagine when we were a kid, if we could just be like, Larry, David, that last episode of Seinfeld sucked.

01:47:13.000 I mean, here's 20 bucks, but I really think you should have tied the show together in a different way. 0.94

01:47:18.000 I want to buy the DVD box set, but you're a real bum though.

01:47:20.000 It's so bizarre. 0.96

01:47:21.000 The whole thing is so bizarre.

01:47:22.000 I realize the term.

01:47:23.000 It's a para-anti-social relationship.

01:47:25.000 It goes beyond parasocial.

01:47:26.000 They try to excite you to respond because they want to hear you respond to them.

01:47:30.000 It gives people, like, I do exist.

01:47:32.000 I am something.

01:47:33.000 But I found if you respond to the negativity, then they're like, that's what gets his attention.

01:47:36.000 They'll do more of that.

01:47:37.000 That's a good point.

01:47:37.000 You know what Ryan Long said to me?

01:47:39.000 This is hilarious.

01:47:40.000 Ryan Long, we were talking after the show at one point, he's like, I'm pretty sure after two years, no one has fans anymore. 0.97

01:47:45.000 They all just hate you and talk crap about you in your comments section. 0.68

01:47:48.000 I was like, that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. 1.00

01:47:50.000 That's brutal.

01:47:51.000 There's something to that.

01:47:52.000 Can't relate.

01:47:53.000 Michael O. Pinkerton says, watching Dave calmly speak while Tim is shouting makes me even more disappointed that he couldn't run for president.

01:48:00.000 Yeah, well, alright, to be fair, I don't think Tim was shouting.

01:48:03.000 Was he?

01:48:03.000 No, but I'm gonna read that one because I'm also disappointed.

01:48:07.000 Have you found peace with your decision not to run?

01:48:10.000 Yeah, you know, I mean, it's, uh, it was a big, it was a big decision and there's definitely, uh, it was a tough one.

01:48:16.000 You know, there's like a lot of decisions like we all have in our careers.

01:48:19.000 You know, we kind of got to make decisions of like, okay, I'm going to do this or I'm going to do this moving forward.

01:48:23.000 And I've always been pretty good about, um, You know, like, okay, I'm not going to live in the past.

01:48:28.000 I made this decision.

01:48:29.000 Close that door. 0.89

01:48:30.000 This one was hard.

01:48:31.000 I was very seriously considering it for quite a while.

01:48:35.000 And then just when it was time to like, be like, okay, I got to officially make the decision.

01:48:39.000 There was just a lot of family stuff going on that I was just like, I don't think this is the right thing.

01:48:43.000 And before I'm anything else, I'm a husband and a father.

01:48:46.000 And so that was kind of like what I decided I erred on.

01:48:49.000 But Look, man, I feel bad in the sense that I disappointed.

01:48:53.000 I know there were a lot of people who wanted me to, but I'm nothing but blessed and fortunate.

01:48:58.000 I have an amazing family.

01:49:00.000 I have an amazing career.

01:49:01.000 I get to do everything I love to do, so I love where I am.

01:49:06.000 And also, I still do think that, like, I still do really think the Libertarian Party is going to do incredible things.

01:49:11.000 I think the Mises Caucus has been an incredibly successful movement.

01:49:14.000 I'm supporting Michael Recktenwald for president.

01:49:17.000 I think he's a great candidate, by far the best candidate running.

01:49:20.000 And I think he's going to be the Libertarian nominee.

01:49:22.000 So, you know, it wasn't in the cards for 2024.

01:49:26.000 I appreciate all the people who were very enthusiastic and supportive, particularly you, Tim, who were always, I know you were like way in on the Dan Smith, Mike Morales thing.

01:49:33.000 And I appreciate that.

01:49:35.000 Particularly Tim Poole.

01:49:36.000 Clint Russell was just like dying to see you.

01:49:40.000 I'm sorry, Clint, were you on this episode?

01:49:42.000 Oh my God.

01:49:44.000 Hello.

01:49:45.000 Liberty Lockdown!

01:49:46.000 Oh, I know you!

01:49:47.000 What's up, buddy?

01:49:47.000 Gandhi didn't need to be president to change the world.

01:49:51.000 He just needed to sleep with nine-year-olds in his bed.

01:49:53.000 Would you consider aiding... Well, I'm sorry guys, it's history.

01:49:58.000 I gotta read some more Super Chats, I'm sorry.

01:50:00.000 We have the members only coming up in a second, but I want to try and get as many people in.

01:50:06.000 Or is it D. Radmac says, Tim, to remind you of your own words, the left has no values.

01:50:10.000 They're just spewing new thing.

01:50:12.000 And I actually think that's fair to say, seeing a lot of these leftists blindly just claim that bin Laden was right without actually knowing what they're talking about is maybe not absolutely because some of these videos are from people who say they're Muslim from Muslim countries, and they're surprised now that this video is coming out or this letter is coming out.

01:50:30.000 But some of these people are just like, dude, you did not read that.

01:50:32.000 Well, yeah, but you know, but again, the point I'm trying to make is I almost see this as consistency on their part.

01:50:38.000 Do you remember, like, do you remember when James... Consistently done.

01:50:41.000 Right, right.

01:50:42.000 No, I agree.

01:50:42.000 When James Lindsay, like, reprinted Mein Kampf and they agreed with it, you know what I mean?

01:50:48.000 This is my point, you're right.

01:50:49.000 Right, yeah. 0.84

01:50:49.000 Dogs and rape culture. 0.84

01:50:50.000 Wokeness is the social orthodoxy of the liberal, of the left liberal faction. 0.91

01:50:55.000 Right.

01:50:56.000 That's it.

01:50:57.000 And so that means when, you know, even to James, when James Lindsay is like, well, the left believes these things and these things.

01:51:02.000 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, they don't.

01:51:04.000 That's why, why is it that the same people who are, you know, woke are also flying Ukrainian flags, whatever current thing is.

01:51:11.000 And one of the things that's really kind of entertaining in a dark way is that the debate on the left right now, when you have leftist Jews or leftist pro-Israeli types versus leftist pro-Palestinian types, is that there's so much atrophy from the last 15 years that they can't even have a debate.

01:51:32.000 So all they have to do is try to outwoke each other.

01:51:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:36.000 Like the Jews will be like, we're the oppressed minority. 1.00

01:51:38.000 And then they'll be like, no, we're the oppressed minority.

01:51:40.000 Like you should be counseled.

01:51:41.000 No, you should be counseled.

01:51:42.000 And it's like, this is the only tool they have left in their tool belt.

01:51:45.000 It's really, it's sad.

01:51:46.000 It puts me in a terribly challenging position to try and make the Palestinian argument without being categorized as one of these people, because I don't have like anything in common with them otherwise, but I think they happen to be right just for the wrong reasons. 1.00

01:51:58.000 X, Y, and Z says, you fail to understand that Islam's goal is to subjugate everyone to Islam. 0.98

01:52:02.000 It is not a banal live and let live ideology.

01:52:05.000 It's like communism.

01:52:06.000 You're right. 0.99

01:52:07.000 They are so freaking horrible. 0.94

01:52:09.000 And let me tell you something about how much better our culture is, is that the United States of America would never try to subjugate the rest of the world to our goals, right? 0.98

01:52:17.000 I mean, like, come on, dude.

01:52:18.000 It's like, it's so easy to just pass this blame off on some other culture while we're doing it.

01:52:23.000 Who's actually taking over the world?

01:52:25.000 And if they had the ability, they'd try to conquer us.

01:52:27.000 It's like, as we conquer all of them.

01:52:29.000 Dude, what part of the world?

01:52:30.000 This is the point. 0.80

01:52:31.000 There are a couple sections on the freaking globe that the US Empire...

01:52:35.000 But this doesn't change the whole point.

01:52:36.000 But I'm just saying, a couple sections on the globe that the US Empire doesn't dominate.

01:52:41.000 And we are every single day demonizing them, trying to move in on dominating them.

01:52:46.000 So I'm sorry.

01:52:47.000 Doesn't change anything.

01:52:48.000 No, I'm not saying it does.

01:52:49.000 But no American gets to just point the finger over at them and say, you don't understand

01:52:53.000 the nature of their ideology.

01:52:55.000 And I agree.

01:52:55.000 Sorry, screw that.

01:52:58.000 And I agree with, to a great degree, this comment that it is a lot like communism, and it's different because it's a religion and communism is just people trying to steal power.

01:53:07.000 Communism is kind of a religion too, but sure, I get your point.

01:53:10.000 one's got a God at least, and one's got scripture.

01:53:13.000 And my thing is, and I'll say this about Israel, having power doesn't make you inherently wrong or evil.

01:53:19.000 It's what you're doing.

01:53:20.000 And so for the United States, I agree with you, the US is doing all of these things.

01:53:25.000 It is bad.

01:53:26.000 It would be bad if anyone else did it.

01:53:28.000 And so we shouldn't be doing it.

01:53:30.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:53:31.000 But it's just like kind of a weird thing where like, it's like if you, I don't know,

01:53:35.000 like if you were like taking away, like kicking like a schizophrenic person out of their house. 0.86

01:53:41.000 And as you're kicking them out of their house, you're going, you know that that guy wants to take my house.

01:53:47.000 It's like, yeah, but you're actively taking his house.

01:53:49.000 Like, how do you get to do that?

01:53:51.000 And so, I'm not even denying that.

01:53:53.000 Yeah, there's radical Islamists who would totally love to take over the world and take over and enforce Sharia law on the whole world. 1.00

01:53:59.000 Okay.

01:54:00.000 There's no threat of that happening.

01:54:02.000 So let's deal with reality.

01:54:04.000 Yep.

01:54:05.000 Alright, let's read some more.

01:54:05.000 What do we have here?

01:54:06.000 What do we have here?

01:54:08.000 Ryan Renner says, Ian's Timcast coffee should be the instant freeze-dried crystals, since you love crystals so much.

01:54:13.000 That's funny.

01:54:13.000 I don't like instant coffee, though.

01:54:15.000 I want a low-acidity, maybe, coffee, something like that.

01:54:18.000 How would we do that?

01:54:18.000 Like a dark roast?

01:54:19.000 Well, there's just certain types.

01:54:20.000 I don't know how they're made, but certain types of coffees are very low-acidity.

01:54:23.000 You can avoid the burn.

01:54:25.000 I gotta give an honorable mention, as we do, because you were talking about, you saw what Bethany Mendel tweeted, right?

01:54:31.000 I don't think so.

01:54:31.000 She said the only, I'm paraphrasing, the only reason not to nuke Gaza is that the fallout would harm Israelis.

01:54:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:54:36.000 Oh, I saw that.

01:54:37.000 Yeah.

01:54:38.000 I mean, there's certainly not sane thought happening there.

01:54:40.000 And look, I mean, and Lindsey Graham saying, you know, turn Gaza to glass or flatten Gaza and all this stuff.

01:54:45.000 Look, there's horrible rhetoric on all sides coming out of this.

01:54:49.000 Lindsey Graham saying, with or without evidence, we should bomb Iraq.

01:54:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:52.000 Which is really... Lindsey Graham is as crazy as any jihadist. 1.00

01:54:57.000 As any jihadist. 1.00

01:54:57.000 He's absolutely out of his mind. 1.00

01:54:59.000 He's been in power forever.

01:55:00.000 Yeah, I mean, again, and that's not to give cover to one side to point out the other, but it's like... To point out how crazy both sides are.

01:55:07.000 But you will see within like kind of the corporate media where there's so much attention paid.

01:55:13.000 In fact, people will go on and it'll just be like, they said river to the sea.

01:55:16.000 What does river to the sea really mean to you?

01:55:18.000 And then someone will be like, well, okay, look, I mean, Could mean that they think all of Israel should be returned to the Muslims, or it could mean they want to genocide everyone, or it could... But it's like, well, what does flatten Gaza mean?

01:55:29.000 What does turn Gaza to Glasgow mean? 0.53

01:55:30.000 Nikki Haley said, finish them! 1.00

01:55:32.000 And what does that mean?

01:55:33.000 Like, what exactly, like, how many innocent... There is over one million kids in Gaza right now.

01:55:41.000 So, like, what are we talking about?

01:55:43.000 Here's a good one for you.

01:55:44.000 Nathan Brubaker says, Dave, given that we've been funding Ukraine, do you think they'll be our next enemy? 0.97

01:55:51.000 Based off the intro to your show, you have to say yes.

01:55:54.000 Look, there's no question they're already our enemy.

01:55:58.000 Listen, the Ukrainians, part of who we've been funding, you want to talk about the radical right-wing elements in the Ukrainian forces?

01:56:07.000 I mean, the Azov and the, you know, I mean, this is a, you know, like straight up neo-Nazi groups.

01:56:12.000 I'm not saying that's all of Ukraine.

01:56:13.000 I'm not sure they're going to exist.

01:56:15.000 Ukraine, forget even our enemy, because that is my tagline, one of the things in my show is if you want to know who our next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now. 0.88

01:56:23.000 Well look, there was just an article this week saying that Ukraine were the ones who pulled off the Nord Stream pipeline bombing, right?

01:56:30.000 Now, I don't know if I believe that, but that's a...

01:56:35.000 A terrorist attack on a European ally, right?

01:56:39.000 So yeah, this is how the cycle always works.

01:56:41.000 And by the way, look, it applies to Israel too.

01:56:45.000 Funding and propping up Hamas. 0.69

01:56:47.000 And now look where they are.

01:56:48.000 We're here funding Israel at the moment.

01:56:50.000 When we had Majid Nawaz on, he made a really interesting point about this where he said what we're essentially doing is we are arming and giving combat training and combat experience to neo-Nazis.

01:57:02.000 All we do, all the media wants to discuss is radicalization and how there's going to be some kind of far-right uprising in the United States.

01:57:10.000 Look what we're actually doing and we're literally like arming Nazi militants.

01:57:13.000 Here's the important point though.

01:57:15.000 We've been doing that in the Wahhabist sect of Islam forever! 0.98

01:57:18.000 That's what we do!

01:57:19.000 But my point is also, like, in the point Majid was making, is after the war in Ukraine is over, Azov does not disappear.

01:57:26.000 You still have a bunch of neo-Nazis who have combat training.

01:57:30.000 But my point is to be fair, a fair amount of them have disappeared, thanks to Vladimir Putin.

01:57:35.000 But yes.

01:57:38.000 And it's pretty funny that the same people who call anyone right of center who disagrees with them a neo-Nazi here, who have supported this propping up of the Ukrainian side of this proxy war, make nothing but excuses for them.

01:57:53.000 Like, I've literally seen, uh, what's her name, uh, Kathy, uh, was the one who debated Scott Horton?

01:57:58.000 Kathy... Kathy Young.

01:57:59.000 Young, yeah.

01:57:59.000 And she's, and she's the most, like, goes after all these right-wingers, writes for, like, Bulwark or whatever, and Scott Horton at one point brought up, like, the Azov Battalion, and he was like, uh, he goes, uh, he brings up the Azov Battalion, and she goes, I don't want to discuss the Azov Battalion right now, and he's like, of course you don't!

01:58:15.000 Of course you don't, you dumb-dumb! 0.98

01:58:16.000 And then she goes, but it's so funny, because she'll attack any right-wing group, like, here in the United States of America, and she's like, Yes, was the group founded by a Nazi. 1.00

01:58:27.000 Yes, it's true, but they later moved away from that.

01:58:31.000 It's incredible.

01:58:32.000 So now any Trump supporter is a Nazi, but a literal neo-Nazi, like a guy walks by with a swastika tattoo on your neck and you're like, tattoos don't really mean that much. 0.72

01:58:44.000 You know, it's just, it's goofy. 0.84

01:58:45.000 It was incredible.

01:58:47.000 No, it's true.

01:58:48.000 It's true.

01:58:48.000 It's very sad.

01:58:49.000 But it goes back to what you were saying earlier, and it's actually a point I was going to make while you guys were talking, but you made it before I could get to it, which is basically that their only assessment of morality in any given situation is what the power dynamic is.

01:59:01.000 And so in this instance, because the Nazis in Ukraine are on the other side of the power dynamic, they're not actual Nazis.

01:59:08.000 Nazi means in power for whatever reason.

01:59:11.000 Nazi actually just means bad. 1.00

01:59:13.000 Nazi, right-wing, bigoted, homophobe.

01:59:17.000 Well it's also crazy like how one of the things that's really kind of funny is that the big claim of the people look I'd say just like the majority of the political establishment was supporting Ukraine in this war and is now supporting Israel in their war and in the Ukrainian war they go Vladimir Putin cannot take territory by war! 0.81

01:59:39.000 Right.

01:59:40.000 And then they go, Israel has a right to defend itself.

01:59:43.000 And you're like, how did they get all their territory?

01:59:45.000 George W. Bush's Freudian slip, where he was roasting Vladimir Putin and said, I'm launching an unjust invasion of Iraq.

01:59:53.000 You can even see in that moment where he was like, I'm going to go to hell.

02:00:00.000 I got one last one for you that will light a fire under you before we go. 0.98

02:00:04.000 All right.

02:00:05.000 Legamas says, bottom line, the modern West is the primary force which prevents the rebirth of the Rashidun Caliphate.

02:00:11.000 People like UBL will never forgive the West for that, and the West should never seek forgiveness for this.

02:00:16.000 The West must keep the Caliphate down at all costs. 0.99

02:00:19.000 Okay, well then, here would be a good idea.

02:00:21.000 That's a lot of money.

02:00:21.000 Well, listen, if the idea is to keep the caliphate down at all costs, may I humbly suggest a policy of not funding them.

02:00:29.000 Yeah, hey!

02:00:31.000 Of not funding, arming, training, and propping them up.

02:00:34.000 Which, by the way, is what we did not just in 1979 and 1980 to try to take out the Soviets in Afghanistan, right?

02:00:41.000 We funded the Mujahideen, the precursor to Al-Qaeda, but that And this really started with the George W. Bush administration in around 2006 after their dumbass war in Iraq led to this, uh, led to this, uh, you know, the Shiites taking full control in, in Iran. 0.75

02:00:58.000 And then they realized they had to do the redirect and start siding with the Sunni radicals.

02:01:03.000 But then under Barack Obama in Libya, in Syria, in Yemen, he sided with Al-Qaeda.

02:01:11.000 Directly funded Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.

02:01:15.000 That's what led to the caliphate.

02:01:17.000 So, look, if you want to sit here and say the biggest threat is the Islamic caliphate, okay, why did it happen? 0.98

02:01:25.000 It happened because we overthrew Saddam Hussein, who was a bulwark against it. 0.84

02:01:28.000 We overthrew Muammar Gaddafi, who was a bulwark against it.

02:01:31.000 We tried to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, who was a bulwark against it, right?

02:01:35.000 We did everything, and then directly funded them.

02:01:38.000 So how about we stop doing that, if you're so concerned about it?

02:01:41.000 And how about Netanyahu doesn't fund Hamas? 0.60

02:01:42.000 How about that?

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