Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - GOP Publishes January 6th Tapes PROVING It Was A HOAX, COPS HELPED w-Clint Russell

00:00:00.000 So the January 6th tapes have been released.

00:00:10.000 Speaker Mike Johnson has dumped all of the footage that is now available for you to watch, and people have started posting it online.

00:00:16.000 And boy, oh boy, what do we see?

00:00:19.000 Wow.

00:00:20.000 The police facilitating January 6th.

00:00:22.000 That's not an understatement.

00:00:23.000 Cops are shown shaking hands.

00:00:25.000 In fact, they're even removing flex cuffs from people who are, for some reason, detained.

00:00:30.000 And they're seen walking through the halls with these people.

00:00:33.000 And there's way more footage still to come.

00:00:35.000 These are just the first few clips that have gone up.

00:00:38.000 I think this debunks the insurrection narrative wholeheartedly.

00:00:42.000 I know most of us already knew that that narrative was absurd, but now it's going to be interesting how this affects people who are currently on trial, because we can see a lot of the narrative that has been put forward about violence doesn't apply to a large portion of these people who were charged with obstructing a government proceeding.

00:00:59.000 In fact, in Dinesh D'Souza's police state, one woman mentions that her son, I believe it was her nephew, Who went into the Capitol was there an hour after the violence and the breach.

00:01:09.000 And you walk up to the Capitol, there's no barriers, there's no signs, the doors are open, cops are waving to people, shaking their hands, taking selfies.

00:01:16.000 How could they charge this person with a crime?

00:01:18.000 And they're doing it, but now the footage is out.

00:01:21.000 In other news, in one of the more shocking bits of news, Michael Rapoport, comedian, hates Donald Trump, still hates Donald Trump, and says he is actually considering voting for Donald Trump.

00:01:32.000 Why?

00:01:33.000 Likely because of his support for Israel.

00:01:36.000 And what we are seeing now, we saw this in D.C., and we saw it today, far leftists rioting in support of Palestine, in opposition to Israel, and this is freaking out a lot of the never-Trumpers and anti-Trumpers, and so, uh, Democrats are in trouble.

00:01:51.000 It doesn't matter if it's Joe Biden.

00:01:52.000 What matters is that if the Democrats come out and outright just say they're in support of Israel, they're going to lose 10% of their voting base, which is 18-29.

00:01:58.000 So we're going to talk about that.

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00:03:27.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Clint Russell.

00:03:31.000 What's up, Tim?

00:03:31.000 Thank you for having me back.

00:03:32.000 Well, I'm just so happy that we got rid of that terrorist-sympathizing deadweight, Dave Smith.

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00:04:30.000 What's happening, Serge?

00:04:32.000 Yo, I am here, ready for the Friday show.

00:04:35.000 Let's get to it, Tim.

00:04:36.000 Here we go from the post-millennial, breaking all January 6 footage publicly released by House Speaker Mike Johnson.

00:04:42.000 I'd like to just pause and say, dude, why on a Friday?

00:04:45.000 On a Friday?

00:04:47.000 We know why he did it.

00:04:48.000 He had to do it.

00:04:49.000 This shows they really didn't want to do it, but okay, fine, it finally happened.

00:04:53.000 Do you think it's better to do it on this Friday, considering next week is, like, if he did it on Monday, it's a holiday?

00:04:58.000 That's the perfect time to do it, absolutely.

00:05:02.000 It's Thanksgiving, dude.

00:05:03.000 Next week, we are not going to be here Thursday and Friday.

00:05:06.000 We will have a Culture War episode up Friday.

00:05:08.000 But this is the perfect time to drop on a Tuesday, right before Thanksgiving, so when everyone is at their home with their liberal aunt, they can be like, what do you mean, all the footage just got released?

00:05:18.000 Here it is.

00:05:18.000 Now, to be fair, to be fair, you can still do that.

00:05:21.000 No one's saying you can't.

00:05:22.000 But, uh, it doesn't hit the press the same way.

00:05:25.000 So he could have released this earlier in the week, but fine.

00:05:27.000 So be it.

00:05:27.000 Now, uh, this is the big news.

00:05:29.000 Mike Johnson says, today I'm keeping my promise to the American people and making all the January 6th tapes available to all Americans.

00:05:35.000 Bang! 1.00

00:05:35.000 There it is. 1.00

00:05:36.000 Take a look at this.

00:05:37.000 We got it all, baby.

00:05:38.000 It's, uh, right here at cha.house.gov slash chasubcommittee blah blah blah blah blah.

00:05:44.000 The link has been, uh, published online by tons of people on Twitter.

00:05:47.000 And we've got some of these clips.

00:05:49.000 Hey, here you go.

00:05:50.000 Here's a video of a police officer shaking a dude's hand as they're walking through.

00:05:56.000 The cops clearly don't care anybody is here.

00:05:58.000 They're not asking anybody to leave.

00:06:00.000 Now, I understand that in some circumstances, people are fighting with police.

00:06:04.000 Yep, those violent people should be arrested and charged.

00:06:06.000 I understand.

00:06:07.000 In some circumstances, the cops are on camera saying, guys, you need to leave.

00:06:12.000 Totally get it.

00:06:13.000 However, the point is, a large majority of what happened, happened well after the violence, on the other side of the building, and the police not only allow it to happen, but were actually... Look, people, they were allowed to leave.

00:06:27.000 They walk right in and right out.

00:06:28.000 There was no effort at all by any of the officers to stop this.

00:06:32.000 And you know, I'll tell you this right now.

00:06:34.000 As someone with experience, in fact, I think in this video, You've got a guy... There's a video where someone gets his cuffs removed.

00:06:41.000 I don't know if I have that one pulled up, actually.

00:06:44.000 But, actually, yeah.

00:06:45.000 Was it this one?

00:06:46.000 Let me see if it's this video right here.

00:06:48.000 Just a cop shaking some guy's hand.

00:06:48.000 Nah, maybe not.

00:06:50.000 Yeah, it was a shorter one.

00:06:51.000 Let me tell you about protests.

00:06:54.000 In New York City.

00:06:56.000 In Washington D.C.

00:06:57.000 How about this?

00:06:58.000 In Washington D.C.

00:06:59.000 on January 20th, 2017, around 215 far leftists were all caught by the police and arrested as a single group.

00:07:09.000 What did the police do?

00:07:10.000 Stood in a circle around them.

00:07:12.000 That's it.

00:07:13.000 They stood in a circle around and said, you're not free to go.

00:07:15.000 And what did everyone do?

00:07:16.000 Stood there.

00:07:17.000 You mean to tell me the insurrectionists are in the building and the cops are like, here you are, sir.

00:07:20.000 The exit is right this way.

00:07:22.000 Shakes his hand, takes a selfie.

00:07:23.000 And now they're going to criminally charge these people.

00:07:26.000 The best example, as I mentioned earlier, is from the Dinesh D'Souza's Police State documentary.

00:07:30.000 It's not the best example.

00:07:31.000 There's several examples where a woman says her nephew showed up an hour after.

00:07:36.000 So the doors are open, there's no barricades, the cops have let everybody in, and he walks up and he's like, hi, how's it going?

00:07:42.000 Come on in, apparently.

00:07:44.000 He walks around and then he leaves, and they've given him all of these charges, they want to lock him up forever.

00:07:48.000 I met a woman who said her and her husband showed up an hour or so after all the violence to this exact story.

00:07:54.000 There were no barricades, they'd been removed.

00:07:56.000 The doors had been propped open by the police, the police had waved people in and they showed up, waving little flags, having no idea what was going on.

00:08:04.000 Now they're being sent to jail over this.

00:08:07.000 Was there any follow-up to that reporting from a few days ago about those buses that allegedly had, like, undercovers?

00:08:15.000 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 Ghost buses.

00:08:16.000 Was that verified?

00:08:17.000 I've not seen anything.

00:08:18.000 No, the media's calling that one a conspiracy theory.

00:08:18.000 Okay.

00:08:20.000 Okay, well, maybe it is.

00:08:22.000 Are you joking?

00:08:23.000 That means in three months I'll be proven true.

00:08:25.000 Well, right.

00:08:26.000 Come on, what are you doing here?

00:08:27.000 Just like the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:08:28.000 We'll figure out about, you know, shortly.

00:08:30.000 Look, I mean, I think that anybody that's followed this story closely has known for since day five after day six that this was largely overblown, so I'm not exactly surprised.

00:08:42.000 But I just hope that this helps in bringing justice.

00:08:45.000 I would like an explanation from Johnson, the new speaker, as to what was the holdup.

00:08:50.000 I would like to know actually from the old guard.

00:08:53.000 Why did it take two and a half years for us to get this information?

00:08:56.000 It seems so obviously necessary that we get to see it.

00:08:59.000 I feel like there's been People in Congress, like, there's enough information where you can kind of say, yeah, the federal government is behaving outside of what is legal, right?

00:09:09.000 Like, it's pretty clear that they're using, you know, false pretenses to punish political dissidents and punish people for their political agendas.

00:09:19.000 And I don't know why there aren't more people in Congress that are actually saying it.

00:09:23.000 There's a handful of people that are actually talking about it, but most of them don't actually want to make a firm statement about the violations of the law and violations of American's rights that the current administration is doing.

00:09:41.000 I have a thesis for you.

00:09:43.000 Please, by all means.

00:09:44.000 My thesis would be that people, you know, representatives in Congress or in Senate have watched the FBI worked Surreptitiously to try and undermine Donald Trump.

00:09:55.000 I mean, they tried to impeach him twice off of totally faulty information.

00:09:58.000 You had false affidavits that were filed by FBI agents.

00:10:02.000 These people are scared to death of speaking out against the FBI, CIA, the entire intelligence agency apparatus, and I don't blame them.

00:10:10.000 But we need courage right now.

00:10:12.000 That's the problem, is that these people are just not being courageous, and that's what we've actually put them there to be.

00:10:17.000 Everyone on the January 6th subcommittee should be expelled from Congress.

00:10:21.000 Agreed.

00:10:21.000 They lied, manipulated to steal political power, and the sad thing is we all know it, we've always known it, and these changes will not come.

00:10:30.000 However, that being said, the What happened in Israel has really been a lightning bolt on this country.

00:10:40.000 An earthquake of such tremendous magnitude.

00:10:44.000 The left is ripped to shreds.

00:10:46.000 And seeing these people say they're going to vote for Trump, we'll get into this a little bit later, but I'm actually more optimistic than I've ever been when I see hardcore never-Trumpers being like, I'll vote for the guy.

00:10:56.000 No, I gotta tell you something really crazy about that.

00:10:56.000 Really?

00:10:58.000 January 6th was supposed to be an insurrection, where they tried to overthrow the United States and take it over, and now you've got people not- they don't care anymore because of Israel? 0.58

00:11:07.000 Again, I know, I know, we'll get into this a little bit later, but my point is, when it comes to January 6th subcommittee, their goal was insurrection.

00:11:14.000 They sat in those committee hearings withholding information, lying about what was going on.

00:11:18.000 Why?

00:11:19.000 To steal political power.

00:11:21.000 That is an insurrection.

00:11:22.000 That is seditious conspiracy.

00:11:24.000 And these videos only prove more of what we already knew.

00:11:28.000 The cops are waving people in and shaking their hands.

00:11:30.000 Right.

00:11:30.000 How can you call that an insurrection?

00:11:31.000 But it doesn't actually begin then.

00:11:34.000 It began, I mean, it may have even begun earlier than this, but the most obvious example to me is when you have, you know, the spying that's happening on the Trump campaign before he's even elected president, you know?

00:11:45.000 Obama!

00:11:47.000 Yeah, and that was directed by Obama and Hillary Clinton.

00:11:50.000 But Biden also was riding shotgun for much of that, so it just seems absolutely bizarre to me that the representatives in Congress aren't willing to actually speak out about how perilous these circumstances are, if they're not addressed.

00:12:04.000 You know what Obama understood?

00:12:05.000 Obama understood what hurt Nixon.

00:12:09.000 And you know what hurt Nixon?

00:12:11.000 The press.

00:12:12.000 And so Obama said, if I am going to engage in a seditious conspiracy after murdering American citizens and bombing children of other countries, he said, if I am going to try and steal power and destroy the United States government and this country and the lives of the American people, I will have to own the press before I do it.

00:12:34.000 And the reason why he has not gone down as one of the worst presidents in history is because the press has just kept lying in his defense.

00:12:41.000 But I truly hope, I hope that within seven, within eight years, the narrative has flipped on the horror that was the Obama administration.

00:12:53.000 Deranged and evil things that man did.

00:12:55.000 Let's just talk about the killing of Abdul Rahman al-Awlaki.

00:12:57.000 Let's talk about the extrajudicial assassinations of several others.

00:13:01.000 Let's talk about the National Defense Authorization Act, indefinite detention provision, in which Obama said he had the right to take you in secret in the middle of the night to an offshore military vessel, a naval vessel, and torture you.

00:13:13.000 That's it.

00:13:14.000 That's a decree he made.

00:13:15.000 He prosecuted more whistleblowers and journalists on the Espionage Act than any other president, and he spied on Donald Trump.

00:13:21.000 Working with Hillary Clinton, we know this, and still, he gets all this?

00:13:26.000 Why?

00:13:26.000 He owned the press.

00:13:27.000 And he also won a Nobel Peace Prize.

00:13:30.000 For nothing.

00:13:30.000 For nothing, to top all that off.

00:13:32.000 He was given a Nobel Peace Prize, he didn't win.

00:13:36.000 But let me just add one more item that's in my wheelhouse as to reasons to not like Barack Obama.

00:13:44.000 He was responsible for the executive order that implemented diversity, equity, inclusion in every federal department across our government.

00:13:51.000 That was his action.

00:13:53.000 The last month of Trump's presidency, he tried to undo it, and then the very first day of Biden's presidency, they redid it.

00:13:59.000 That's how important this is to them, that they are able to essentially divide and conquer, which is exactly what DEI is, even though it's about diversity, right?

00:14:08.000 But really what it is is about oppression Olympics, and it's dividing and making us all become at each other's throats.

00:14:15.000 Why did Trump wait till the end of his tenure to do that?

00:14:18.000 He doesn't know what he's doing.

00:14:19.000 He doesn't know what he's doing.

00:14:20.000 Yeah, he could have done it at any point.

00:14:21.000 I think Tim's right.

00:14:22.000 He doesn't know what he's doing, unfortunately.

00:14:24.000 Which is why I like Vivek so much, because I know for a fact he understands exactly what

00:14:27.000 I'm talking about.

00:14:28.000 Man, it is, it is, I'd love to imagine a Vivek Ramaswamy presidency day one, but you need

00:14:36.000 more than just, unfortunately, you need more than the know-how to win, right?

00:14:42.000 And Vivek may...

00:14:44.000 Be the best.

00:14:45.000 Day one he goes in with a scalpel, an obsidian blade, and just perfectly excises all of the rot and helps turn this country around.

00:14:55.000 But winning is something different.

00:14:56.000 I know.

00:14:57.000 And I think Trump is clearly in the catbird seat, if you will, to win again.

00:15:02.000 But I'm still holding out hope that if Vivek broadens his horizons and he's willing to consider a VP slot with Trump, I think that would be probably as good as I could hope for.

00:15:14.000 In terms of a winning ticket that would actually deliver much of what the libertarians would like to see.

00:15:19.000 Not all of it, obviously, but much.

00:15:21.000 I just like to see people get fired.

00:15:24.000 Me too, brother!

00:15:24.000 I'd like to then see, after that, some criminal prosecution.

00:15:27.000 Yes!

00:15:28.000 Thank you!

00:15:29.000 Yeah, I mean, there's this misunderstanding about libertarians and anarcho-capitalists that, like, we don't want, you know, we don't believe in the state, so we don't want to see criminals put behind bars.

00:15:39.000 Like, couldn't be further from the truth.

00:15:41.000 You can't speak for all libertarians.

00:15:43.000 They get pissed off when you do that kind of stuff.

00:15:44.000 Well, I'm gonna do it anyways.

00:15:46.000 I don't really care.

00:15:46.000 They can get mad at me.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, I think...

00:15:49.000 If there's one group of people that all libertarians agree ought to be behind bars, it's corrupt politicians that are ruling over us against our will, you know, from Jump Street.

00:15:57.000 Well, Phil, would you agree?

00:15:58.000 Well, I'm not a libertarian, but... No, but from your perspective, in your opinion, you said people don't like talking for libertarians, but you think libertarians want to see the corrupt politicians locked up?

00:16:06.000 I think that there is the most...

00:16:11.000 If there is a rule for the state, then policing corruption is probably among the most fundamental things that the state should have to do.

00:16:22.000 I mean, you don't want a state that's passing a lot of laws anyways.

00:16:26.000 You want to keep laws as I'd like to point something very important out.

00:16:31.000 as possible.

00:16:33.000 But if you've got people that are entrusted with creating law, then I think that the policing

00:16:40.000 of those people is among the most important things that a state can do.

00:16:44.000 I'd like to point something very important out.

00:16:46.000 You know, these videos are not the only videos we have proving the Capitol Police were aiding

00:16:52.000 and abetting the January 6th insurrection.

00:16:55.000 There's videos of them opening the doors.

00:16:57.000 There's videos of them waving people in.

00:16:59.000 There's a video of one of them wearing a MAGA hat and waving people in.

00:17:02.000 There's a video of them shaking hands.

00:17:04.000 Now there's more videos of them shaking hands, releasing people from flex cuffs, giving them directions to insurrectionists.

00:17:11.000 And the most important thing, the Capitol Police have been expanded under the Biden administration into new locations, which would mean the Capitol Police, the principal and most powerful organization involved in facilitating the January 6th insurrection, have been given more power by the Biden administration, which would mean Joe Biden himself is engaged in an insurrection by aiding and abetting insurrectionists and therefore is disqualified under the 14th Amendment.

00:17:37.000 Fire him! 0.99

00:17:39.000 That's some Fannie Willis judicial work there. 0.97

00:17:42.000 I don't care.

00:17:43.000 I want to see the paperwork.

00:17:44.000 Look, if they're going to claim Donald Trump did this, that, or otherwise, it's all BS nonsense, I just gave you all your novel legal theory.

00:17:51.000 Roll with it.

00:17:52.000 File the lawsuits.

00:17:53.000 Yes, they're losing, but do it anyway.

00:17:56.000 You had Lauren Day Laguna on your show last week, and she made an interesting point that Sometimes you you people are guilty of crimes.

00:18:04.000 You don't want to prosecute them for the betterment of society Like that's a legal philosophy and there are times and places when you would not prosecute even though they've done something wrong I thought that was interesting considering our current political paradigm and the whole tit-for-tat I'll get your guy and in four years you're gonna get me and then four years after that someone's gonna come and get you back like maybe there's a See, this is the problem with that, because I am a very forgiving person and I'm also a Buddhist meditating type like yourself, so the issue that I have is that it's not tit-for-tat.

00:18:34.000 It's one direction.

00:18:35.000 Give me an example, like a real example, of a Democrat who plays ball with the establishment that actually sees hard time behind bars.

00:18:44.000 It's very rare.

00:18:45.000 It's very, very rare.

00:18:47.000 So the issue is not so much that You know, the GOP is being persecuted, it's that the left is never being persecuted.

00:18:54.000 So if that's the case, you don't have justice at all.

00:18:57.000 Well, to be fair, Eric Adams in New York, you know, he gets upset about immigration.

00:19:01.000 So what happens?

00:19:02.000 Oh, the feds come crashing down.

00:19:04.000 Because he didn't play ball, right?

00:19:05.000 Right.

00:19:06.000 And I mean, that's really startling because He was the mayor of New York City, right?

00:19:11.000 Is the mayor of New York City.

00:19:12.000 Yeah, is.

00:19:13.000 Sorry, I'm already assuming he's out.

00:19:15.000 But yeah, I mean, we've got two, three million illegal immigrants that are coming across the border.

00:19:19.000 Many of them are making their way to New York and their infrastructure is basically being overran.

00:19:26.000 And he's doing his job, but just because that goes against the The kind of neoliberal narrative about open borders and that immigration at any magnitude is acceptable.

00:19:36.000 Well, then you can't talk about it, even though it's going to bankrupt his city.

00:19:39.000 And that's just the reality.

00:19:41.000 Let's let's jump to some modern politics.

00:19:43.000 Let's talk about I got some good news for everybody.

00:19:46.000 This is a tweet that's been reposted by Libby Emmons.

00:19:49.000 It is of Michael Rapoport, a man who utterly despises Donald Trump and still to this day despises Donald Trump.

00:19:55.000 But this comedian, this man, who hates Donald Trump, I'll say it again, has a message for all of you.

00:20:00.000 Y'all ready to hear it? 0.99

00:20:02.000 If it comes down to pig dick Donald Trump and smoking Joe Biden, I'm sorry. 0.99

00:20:10.000 I am sorry. 1.00

00:20:13.000 Voting for pig dick Donald Trump is on the table. 0.99

00:20:17.000 Oh, I'm sorry. 1.00

00:20:19.000 I'm fucking sorry. 1.00

00:20:20.000 I'll still call him slob dick Donald Trump, pig dick Donald Trump, and all that. 1.00

00:20:27.000 But we need to get this whole fucking situation under control! 1.00

00:20:31.000 And you know what that situation is he's talking about? 0.99

00:20:32.000 He's talking about far leftists that are trying to storm the DNC.

00:20:36.000 They're storming into I think a university a few hours ago.

00:20:40.000 He's talking about the far left protesters in New York City cheering on Hamas and I just think it's absolutely hilarious. 1.00

00:20:47.000 That this guy, who hates Donald Trump, and I'm not going to speak to him as to what he said about January 6th, but the fact that so many people are moving in this direction, despite screaming that Donald Trump is a fascist, Hitlerian psychopath who tried to overthrow the US government, They genuinely claimed, they claimed that Donald Trump was a threat to this country!

00:21:09.000 But, then Israel got threatened.

00:21:12.000 And now all of a sudden it's like, oh I don't care about this country, I'll vote for Donald Trump.

00:21:15.000 Yeah.

00:21:16.000 As long as we get what we want over there, huh?

00:21:17.000 Kind of shows what his priorities are, but I'm just heartbroken.

00:21:20.000 I'm heartbroken because this guy was in True Romance, which is one of my favorite movies ever, and he's now just like, you know, a caricature of himself.

00:21:20.000 I'll take it!

00:21:28.000 It's so sad.

00:21:29.000 So, outside of that, I'll just say this.

00:21:31.000 I don't want to rag on Rampaport.

00:21:34.000 He's allowed to hate Donald Trump.

00:21:35.000 That's totally fine.

00:21:36.000 I don't know what he said about January 6th.

00:21:38.000 I'd be willing to bet he said a lot of crazy things.

00:21:40.000 Critical things of Trump?

00:21:42.000 Fine. 0.90

00:21:42.000 If he's coming out now and saying, hey man, I'm starting to realize these far leftists are crazy, And this is what it took? 0.90

00:21:48.000 I'll take what I can get.

00:21:50.000 I'm not gonna push him away.

00:21:52.000 Anybody who comes to me and says, I didn't realize the far left wanted to kill, you know, let's just be very careful, supported Hamas. 0.96

00:22:00.000 That, to a great proportion, supported Hamas.

00:22:03.000 And we're posting images of paragliders coming into Israel.

00:22:07.000 Very delicate here.

00:22:08.000 They didn't know that, so be it, I will say.

00:22:11.000 Shake my hand, buddy, we're gonna vote for Donald Trump together.

00:22:14.000 Right.

00:22:14.000 Well, look, that's fair, but I just don't, I don't look at Rappaport and his unhinged behavior over the past four years and go like, like this is an ally in any form or fashion.

00:22:25.000 Yeah, he may vote for Trump, he might, but he's still, he's just as crazy as the people that are marching for Hamas. 0.81

00:22:31.000 But look, he can say whatever he wants, he can believe whatever he wants, but if we truly believe, and you probably don't, but I'm saying for me, that Donald Trump is our best path forward in 2024 for a variety of reasons, if this guy's saying he's gonna help me out with that, I say yes.

00:22:48.000 Here's the way, I was talking to Scott Horton after the show, great dude, we had him on Culture War, and I said, look man, if I see Donald Trump and he's having a snowball fight with Hillary Clinton, And he's just whipping them at her and she's getting hit and she's about to be knocked off her balance into a nice snow pile.

00:23:04.000 It's all good fun, everybody.

00:23:05.000 It's all good fun.

00:23:06.000 Yes.

00:23:06.000 And then he runs out of snowballs and he looks at me and he goes, Tim, I need one more!

00:23:10.000 One more snowball! 1.00

00:23:11.000 I'm gonna throw him a snowball! 0.96

00:23:12.000 If Michael Rapaport is the guy who's got... I'll be like...

00:23:15.000 Let's go!

00:23:15.000 And he throws a snowball at Trump, and then Trump whips one last snowball, hitting Hillary, and she falls backwards into the snow.

00:23:22.000 You get my point.

00:23:23.000 I'm very nice, okay?

00:23:24.000 We're having a very fun, family-friendly game of a snowball fight, and Hillary falls down, and then she giggles and laughs, and everyone's happy, but Trump wins.

00:23:31.000 That's my point.

00:23:32.000 Look, I've said before, you know, I'm not a Trump supporter, but I don't disagree with you that he's probably the best bet at getting me any closer to what I want to see.

00:23:43.000 But I just don't have any confidence in him because of what happened during 2020 and that's the reason I don't support him.

00:23:49.000 But yeah, I think that obviously, if it's Gavin Newsom, I would be out of my mind not to prefer Trump over Newsom.

00:23:57.000 Are you going to vote for him?

00:23:59.000 Probably not!

00:24:01.000 Probably not.

00:24:02.000 Well, I'll put it like this.

00:24:03.000 I'd vote for him.

00:24:04.000 In Florida?

00:24:05.000 Hold on, I'll put it like this.

00:24:06.000 If I'm in a swing state, which currently I am, I'm in Florida.

00:24:08.000 Wait, are you joking?

00:24:10.000 Isn't it a swing state?

00:24:10.000 No!

00:24:12.000 Well, I mean, it went very hard for DeSantis, but it's been a swing state historically, so... Not even for... No, I think for Trump it was even better.

00:24:18.000 Okay, well then if my vote doesn't matter, then you know who I'm voting for.

00:24:23.000 But if there's some theoretical possibility that my vote will actually swing things, then yeah, maybe I'd consider Trump.

00:24:29.000 But look, you're putting me in a corner, Tim!

00:24:33.000 Don't make me endorse this guy!

00:24:35.000 No, I don't have to do this.

00:24:36.000 You don't have to endorse Trump.

00:24:37.000 You can even outright say he's awful, but man, like I said, if Donald Trump is the one who's engaging in that snowball fight against the establishment machine and the war machine, I'm like, look, no new wars.

00:24:48.000 That dude tried so hard to get us out of Syria.

00:24:51.000 I'm just like, I was saying this to Dave Smith, not yesterday, but the last time I was here, I was like, come on, man.

00:24:56.000 I know the drone strikes are bad.

00:24:57.000 I know the bombing in Afghanistan was bad.

00:24:59.000 But he set a timeline.

00:25:00.000 There were no new wars.

00:25:01.000 He tried getting our troops out of Syria.

00:25:03.000 If I can take an inch from anybody back towards pulling our troops out, I will take it.

00:25:09.000 To your point there, and this is one of my frustrations with libertarians, is they're so frequently looking for purity.

00:25:19.000 To look at the United States government and the US empire, global empire with military bases in 120 or something countries around the world, the idea that you should throw away Someone that is trying to trying to pull back on the US government trying to actually make real cuts because they were unsuccessful when literally you're going to have the most powerful government in all of human history

00:25:50.000 Working against you because that government has incentive to stop you from making cuts.

00:25:57.000 So for libertarians to say things like, oh, you know, that guy's total garbage because there were some wars, or there were still wars going on, or he didn't end all the wars.

00:26:06.000 It's like, think about the task that you're demanding this person do immediately or within four years with the amount of resistance that they're going to have to deal with.

00:26:21.000 It is outside of realistic to say this person was elected and they didn't undo 250 years of encroachment on your liberties and blah blah blah in four years so they're all bad. 0.95

00:26:34.000 That is ridiculous. 0.92

00:26:35.000 It's a bit of a straw man of my position though. 0.99

00:26:37.000 No, no, I'm not saying it's you.

00:26:38.000 I'm saying there are a lot of libertarians like that.

00:26:40.000 You're absolutely right but here's the reality.

00:26:42.000 He did not try to shrink the size of the government.

00:26:45.000 He did try to end some unconstitutional legal wars, and God bless him for that.

00:26:49.000 But he also increased the size of the federal government significantly.

00:26:53.000 And he stood by during the most catastrophic decision of any president in my lifetime in terms of domestic policy, which was the COVID lockdowns.

00:27:00.000 And that's, that is the, like, honest to God, if it weren't for 2020, I probably would have supported Donald Trump.

00:27:07.000 I probably would have.

00:27:09.000 I think it's fair.

00:27:10.000 I view it this way, like the libertarian argument.

00:27:13.000 You've got two guys who go back and forth whacking you with a stick, and then finally you get a guy who's like, no, no, no, he hit you ten times.

00:27:20.000 I'm gonna hit you eight times, so vote for me. 0.98

00:27:23.000 And the reformist argument is, just take the eight whacks instead of the ten, and then the libertarian argument is, screw you all, I'm not playing your game. 0.98

00:27:30.000 So I can respect that, I can.

00:27:32.000 My attitude is just, I think the best, I choose the reformer position of, man, I know Trump is far from perfect, but he was a net positive, and that's all that matters.

00:27:42.000 I think on domestic policy and changing the dialogue amongst the American people, he was largely a net positive.

00:27:48.000 The issue is that for whatever reason, being a businessman, being a businessman myself, I don't understand why he doesn't understand Fed policy more, why he doesn't understand that his browbeating of, I don't know if it was Powell at the time, I think it was, but trying to drive down interest rates even lower, You know, wanting to pass trillions of dollars in stimulus spending during the COVID era without votes, without roll call votes, trying to evict Massey, who's the greatest congressman of the past decade, out of power because he wanted to have a roll call vote to have people on record for a three trillion dollar spending bill, which is something that historically we would have never even considered as being feasible.

00:28:25.000 There's just a lot of behaviors from him that goes counter to this narrative that he is actually a small government guy.

00:28:30.000 No, he's a democrat!

00:28:32.000 But that's not even my point, because I don't disagree with you.

00:28:35.000 The only thing I disagree with on is Massey.

00:28:36.000 I would say Matt Gaetz, especially considering the fight with McCarthy.

00:28:42.000 But, you know, Massey is pretty great.

00:28:44.000 I'm a big fan.

00:28:45.000 Although, you know, he very much supported McCarthy.

00:28:47.000 We know that McCarthy, behind the scenes, was sabotaging people.

00:28:51.000 I agree, and that's bizarre.

00:28:52.000 It's insane and brutal.

00:28:54.000 It really comes down to, for me, I mean, typically the most important thing is foreign policy.

00:28:59.000 And my attitude has long been, I mean, this is just how I grow up, that the United States bickers amongst its own people about the things we deserve and the things we've done wrong, while everyone ignores the bombing, the humanitarian crises, the arming, the massacres.

00:29:16.000 I mean, and this is why, I mean, it's kind of crazy to think, it was Obama before Donald Trump.

00:29:23.000 So we get Donald Trump and I'm like, what's going on?

00:29:26.000 Things are actually kind of okay.

00:29:28.000 What do we have with Barack Obama?

00:29:30.000 Extrajudicial assassinations?

00:29:32.000 How many weddings did he blow up?

00:29:34.000 The expansion of Middle Eastern conflict.

00:29:37.000 Syria.

00:29:37.000 Look at Libya.

00:29:38.000 These outright disasters.

00:29:40.000 Blue hospitals, too.

00:29:41.000 Blue hospitals, no question.

00:29:43.000 Donald Trump did better than Barack Obama a million ways when it comes to foreign policy.

00:29:48.000 Not perfect, a lot of bad things, too.

00:29:51.000 So for me, it's kind of like this.

00:29:53.000 I've had friends who are like, we deserve health care.

00:29:54.000 And I'm like, OK, let's talk about after we stop blowing up kids in Yemen and Pakistan. 1.00

00:29:59.000 Agreed.

00:30:00.000 And so when Donald Trump comes in and he's like, no new wars, timeline for getting our troops out, get our troops out of Syria, and we watch the deep state lie to the American people and Trump to keep troops in Syria, The only, like, I'll tell you, Trump should not have fired 59 Tomahawk missiles at Syria.

00:30:13.000 That's the one time the press started praising him.

00:30:15.000 Right.

00:30:16.000 Or the MOAB, yeah.

00:30:17.000 So I look at anything else, and my view really is, and y'all can disagree with me, by all means, spam in the chat ones, my attitude is, My priorities over my view of say like COVID lockdown stuff and Donald Trump's role in it is a much lower priority to the United States spending American taxpayer dollars or what I should say is extracting our buying power in order to wage war in foreign countries so when someone says yeah but Trump did this COVID thing I'm like you know what I gotta be honest I'd be willing to accept penance

00:30:50.000 In terms of some detriment to my quality of life if it means the U.S.

00:30:54.000 stopped doing all of that.

00:30:55.000 To be fair, the reality is the inverse.

00:30:57.000 If the U.S.

00:30:58.000 stops doing all that, in fact, there's quite a good argument, our lives would improve.

00:31:01.000 I agree.

00:31:02.000 So, I'll take Trump!

00:31:04.000 That's a really important point because there's this...

00:31:07.000 kind of myth that I think that the American people have been sold, that in some way we have benefited.

00:31:14.000 The average American has somehow benefited from the empire.

00:31:18.000 It couldn't be further from the truth.

00:31:19.000 Our purchasing power is declining very rapidly.

00:31:22.000 All of the people that have actually benefited from it have been the worst corporations, if not in modern era, then maybe in all of human history.

00:31:29.000 Some of the worst actors out there the boeings and all these other companies that are actually literally just profiting by the billions based off of uh death and destruction of innocent people it's horrific um but there's this there's this belief that like we have to police the world to kind of make it safe for the global economy that people people don't consider the fact that all of these other nations have the same imperative they have the same desire to have safe shipping lanes it's there is no

00:31:57.000 There is no actual requirement that the American government be the policeman of the world.

00:32:01.000 We ought to handle regional security.

00:32:04.000 Russia and China ought to be handling their portions of the Pacific to keep it safe, and we ought to be handling ours. 0.99

00:32:10.000 But that's not how it's been.

00:32:11.000 The American empire is expected to go and police everything, and it is absolutely bankrupting us.

00:32:17.000 Can I sort of point something out too, based on what I just said?

00:32:20.000 I don't know if it's a coincidental at all that 2019 we see the best numbers of our lives economically.

00:32:27.000 I'm not talking about government spending and stuff.

00:32:29.000 We can absolutely criticize all that, but unemployment is way down.

00:32:32.000 Wage growth is improving.

00:32:34.000 People are expressing this in polls at the same time that Donald Trump is actively working against the war machine.

00:32:42.000 And I'm not saying I can definitively prove one for one, that's what it's all about, but I would like to just live in that reality.

00:32:48.000 So by all means, please knock me out of it.

00:32:50.000 Prove to me that our economy doing well in this time frame and Donald Trump's positions on rejecting wars are totally unrelated, but I will accept it and I will roll that dice again.

00:33:02.000 If Donald Trump can recreate 2018 and 2019 and further those missions, it's just, it's

00:33:09.000 there.

00:33:10.000 And let him say all the naughty things, let him say all the nasty things. 0.91

00:33:13.000 And all of my views on how bad 2020 was, I'm just like, if the end result is we go through

00:33:19.000 a hard period, but four years later, our borders are more secure, manufacturing has come back,

00:33:25.000 we're no longer doing these insane trade deals with China, the American economy has dramatically

00:33:30.000 improved and the foreign wars have been whittled down.

00:33:33.000 The US, now our allies are actually paying their fair share as we pull our troops back because they shouldn't be in many of these countries.

00:33:39.000 I mean, that is like a dream.

00:33:41.000 Yeah.

00:33:43.000 I don't think that Donald Trump is a genie who can make it all just perfectly come true, but we had a little taste of it in his first term.

00:33:49.000 And it wasn't so bad.

00:33:50.000 It wasn't so bad.

00:33:51.000 I get the argument.

00:33:52.000 I totally get the argument.

00:33:53.000 Here's the issue.

00:33:54.000 Because I come from the Austrian economics backdrop and because I was a finance guy, I look at this and I look at the The elevated inflationary pressure that we're dealing with nearing on $34 trillion in our national debt, you have all of the debt carry that's necessary for that debt that is ultimately going to really put a damper on growth, GDP broadly.

00:34:16.000 I think that we're facing a very severe recession.

00:34:19.000 The other thing that people aren't really privy to is that because of the elevated interest rate cycle, All of the long-term debt instruments that the banks filled their books with over the past couple of years when the interest rates were at record lows, those are now upside down to the tunes of billions and billions and billions of dollars.

00:34:38.000 So you have a potential banking contagion coinciding perfectly with a potential national debt and fiat crisis.

00:34:48.000 And then you also have the potential for a global recession.

00:34:51.000 So we're The reason I bring all this up is to say, if you don't have someone who's in power soon, very, very soon, that is actually equipped to handle this, we're in a lot of trouble.

00:35:04.000 And that's the primary reason that I can't give any sort of real endorsement for Donald Trump, is that he has not demonstrated a capacity to wrap his head around the severity of the situation that approaches us.

00:35:17.000 And I feel like Vivek gets that.

00:35:18.000 And that's the primary reason that If I had my druthers, Vivek over Trump, all day.

00:35:24.000 Trump-Ramaswamy 2024, would you vote for it?

00:35:26.000 Yeah, I definitely.

00:35:26.000 Probably!

00:35:28.000 I mean, there's no question.

00:35:29.000 I'd vote for Trump-ham sandwich 2024.

00:35:29.000 Yeah.

00:35:31.000 Just because, you know, obviously I would still rather a libertarian get in there, that's setting that aside.

00:35:36.000 Because I understand how severe the financial situation is, and because everyone I know and love lives here, and I know that their retirement is on the line, and their way of life is on the line, their safety and security is ultimately on the line with all of these potential fronts for World War III, It's super important that we get someone in there that is both non-interventionist, but also a fiscal hawk.

00:35:55.000 We need both of those things very, very soon.

00:35:57.000 We cannot continue to wait for a hero, but we need real changes on the most important things right now.

00:36:04.000 But that's why it's a great argument to say support Vivek, and when it comes to Trump, accept Trump.

00:36:08.000 Yeah, well, and if Vivek is actually there to advise him, I would have a lot more faith in Donald Trump.

00:36:14.000 I hope and I beg and I pray that the very least, whatever happens, Vivek has some kind of advisory role with the Trump administration.

00:36:21.000 If he doesn't, it would be a huge miscalculation.

00:36:23.000 In fact, it would demonstrate that Donald Trump hasn't learned anything from filling his cabinet with some of the worst war hawks on earth.

00:36:30.000 I'd still take it!

00:36:32.000 You're much more forgiving than me.

00:36:34.000 But it's not about forgiving, it's about... With the options.

00:36:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:38.000 I understand.

00:36:38.000 You could say Donald Trump is bad for all these reasons, and I'll say, yep.

00:36:42.000 And if it's no new wars, if dead stop in foreign invasion is all we get, that's four years I'll take. 0.94

00:36:49.000 Yeah, like, I mean, I would love to see, you know, the good Dr. Ron Paul run again and I'd love to see him win.

00:36:58.000 I'd love to see anyone that's going to make significant cuts at the bureaucratic level.

00:37:02.000 I'd love to see cabinet level positions totally abolished.

00:37:07.000 But if all I can get is Donald Trump, then it's better than, you know, four more years of Biden or the actual problem.

00:37:17.000 The Biden DEI stuff too.

00:37:18.000 It's a big deal.

00:37:19.000 It's a big problem.

00:37:20.000 It is really tearing at the fabric.

00:37:24.000 Listen, not for nothing, but all of the people that are pro-Palestine in the US, they're not pro-Palestine because they have an affinity for Islam.

00:37:35.000 They're pro-Palestine because they understand it as a colonizer versus colonized dynamic.

00:37:45.000 And decolonization just means kill the people that have the power now. 0.96

00:37:50.000 That's all it means. 0.96

00:37:52.000 Straight up.

00:37:53.000 Frantz Fanon didn't mince words in The Wretched of the Earth, and he clearly said, ideally, the colonized will become the colonizer.

00:38:03.000 He will take his property, he will sleep in his bed, and under best circumstances, he'll sleep with his wife. 0.98

00:38:10.000 That's what decolonization means. 0.81

00:38:12.000 So I don't entertain any of the framing from the left that isn't directly in Gaza.

00:38:23.000 I get why the people in Gaza are pissed off.

00:38:25.000 When you're dealing with Westerners that are taking the side of Gaza or taking a side against Israel, it's all because of leftist decolonization garbage, and that stuff will come here if we allow those arguments to be made. 0.53

00:38:41.000 Let me pull up this tweet from Elon Musk. 0.63

00:38:45.000 We got this tweet here from Elon himself.

00:38:47.000 He said, As I said earlier this week, decolonization, and from the river to the sea, and similar euphemisms, necessarily imply genocide.

00:38:56.000 Clear calls for extreme violence are against our terms of service and will result in suspension.

00:39:00.000 This is also in response to Swipe Right, he's responding to himself.

00:39:04.000 Yes, decolonization necessarily implies a Jewish genocide, thus it is unacceptable to any reasonable person.

00:39:10.000 And this is what Colin Wright had said, to which Elon Musk responded, decolonization is the woke version of jihad, and it should be viewed and treated that way.

00:39:18.000 He responded to Elon by saying, exactly, when Hamas slaughtered Israeli civilians in the

00:39:18.000 Absolutely.

00:39:21.000 name of jihad on October 7th, the woke said, this is what decolonization looks like.

00:39:26.000 When they tell us decolonization looks like jihad, we should believe them. 1.00

00:39:30.000 Yes.

00:39:31.000 Now here's the question.

00:39:34.000 Do we agree with a social media platform banning people calling for decolonization or for that

00:39:40.000 matter, even jihad?

00:39:41.000 No.

00:39:42.000 I think that it should be looked at just like any other time when someone calls for violence.

00:39:48.000 So if you have a platform that says, we don't allow calls for violence, then talking about decolonization and stuff, then that's considered violence in my opinion.

00:39:58.000 If you don't, if you allow anything, then fine.

00:40:01.000 You know, if X allows other calls for violence, and then they specifically say we don't like this, that's what I feel like too.

00:40:09.000 Calling people to commit violence is a crime.

00:40:12.000 Now the question is, decolonization sits at that nexus point between academic rhetoric and instructing people to go and commit acts of violence.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, it's not illegal.

00:40:20.000 So what they try doing is, they say, we're not calling for violence, we're saying decolonize.

00:40:24.000 But we know what decolonize means.

00:40:26.000 Even if they called for violence, if it's not an imminent threat with a day and a time, it's not illegal.

00:40:31.000 The question is, knowing that this is not illegal, should it be banned?

00:40:35.000 But there's been selective enforcement of calls for violence and things that are and are not violence.

00:40:42.000 The left does tend to swear up and down that things are not calls for violence, that clearly are calls for violence.

00:40:49.000 They say that the protests and the riots, they say that those aren't violence.

00:40:53.000 There is an ambiguity that the left continues to rely on when they're talking about things that they would call direct action or... Riots are the cries of the unheard.

00:41:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:06.000 But it's an ambiguity.

00:41:08.000 I agree, that's a fair point.

00:41:09.000 Well, I think it is a fair point, but it still obfuscates the violent nature of it.

00:41:14.000 What Phil is referring to is how the left will say, we're going to engage in a direct action.

00:41:20.000 Everyone wear all black and masks and gloves and show up at this time at this location.

00:41:25.000 And what does direct action mean?

00:41:27.000 Direct action literally means breaking the law or committing acts of violence.

00:41:31.000 I'm not going to be cute and I'm not going to defend the left.

00:41:34.000 I have been at way too many leftist protests.

00:41:36.000 When they talk about peacefully protesting, that's not what direct action is.

00:41:40.000 Direct action is a phrase they come up with when they're referring to either blocking streets, blocking doors, fighting with cops, or throwing things.

00:41:47.000 Is that just Antifa that does the direct action stuff?

00:41:47.000 Or worse.

00:41:50.000 The blacklock?

00:41:51.000 So, in the early days, I don't want to say early days, because this goes way back, but I do want to give a shout out to our good friends who participated in the battle in Seattle, which was a protest against the WTO, by the way, by the left, for some reason, now they're on the other side of this.

00:42:07.000 In New York, we didn't call them Antifa, we just called them the Black Bloc. 1.00

00:42:10.000 And we didn't call them anarchists either.

00:42:11.000 Sometimes the word anarchist gets thrown around because it's used to convey the idea that everyone understands.

00:42:17.000 Like if someone says the anarchists, we know they're referring to the people wearing all black.

00:42:20.000 However, considering that half the people... I don't claim them.

00:42:23.000 But considering half the people we were friends with were literal anarchists who rejected that false philosophy of authoritarianism, we knew that wasn't correct, so we just called them the Black Bloc leftists, or Black Bloc extremists, or the Black Bloc...

00:42:34.000 Now everyone refers to it as Antifa, because the game they played back then was, there is no black block! 0.95

00:42:40.000 Black block is a tactic, not a thing. 0.97

00:42:42.000 Black block is when people wear hoodies, and it's like, then why do the same people all the time have logos and wear the same clothes? 0.96

00:42:48.000 Now it's the same thing with Antifa.

00:42:49.000 Antifa is just an idea, it's not a group.

00:42:51.000 There's cells, there's chapters, they engage in violence.

00:42:54.000 This is exactly why I, or this is, this is indicative of the actual Vulnerability that liberalism has.

00:43:04.000 Liberalism takes the opposing view or the argument from someone else, takes it at face value, and treats every argument as if it is an honest argument.

00:43:16.000 If you're dealing with progressives or socialists, people that essentially disregard or reject the Enlightenment values, they don't see a reason to be honest because power is the goal, not honesty.

00:43:29.000 So if they're looking to win and they want to go ahead and cover up violent actions or, you know, See, my interest at this junction, being that I'm not really on the left or the right, is that I just want to see this deescalate and I don't want to ever endorse censorship protocols.

00:43:56.000 Particularly if they are kind of vague platitudes, like from the river to the sea or decolonization.

00:44:01.000 That is just clearly not explicit enough of a threat for it to be illegal.

00:44:07.000 It's certainly not illegal.

00:44:08.000 Read Franz Fanon's Wretched of the World and it's clear.

00:44:11.000 But Phil, it's not illegal.

00:44:12.000 It's clearly a compromise.

00:44:14.000 But legality is not the standard.

00:44:16.000 That's something I brought up.

00:44:17.000 No, but he has brought that up.

00:44:18.000 He said it's legal, or lawful, but not awful.

00:44:21.000 Remember when he was talking about that?

00:44:22.000 Or maybe it was his CEO that was saying it.

00:44:24.000 Elon Musk's point was that you're not allowed to call for extreme violence on their platform.

00:44:30.000 He did not say it has to be illegal.

00:44:32.000 I said that.

00:44:33.000 I said it's a question of our morals.

00:44:34.000 No, I know, but in the past, either Yacarino... He said lawful but awful.

00:44:38.000 Yes, exactly.

00:44:39.000 Where he said, if it's lawful... Well, I don't think in any court in the country you could actually get a conviction for someone saying that.

00:44:43.000 I don't think Elon ever said all lawful speech would be permitted on the platform.

00:44:46.000 Well, I thought, I took the lawful, uh, awful but lawful as being like, that was where the gray area.

00:44:52.000 So, that was a direct reference to what they would censor.

00:44:56.000 Things that were lawful but awful would be censored.

00:44:59.000 Oh, it was that direction.

00:45:00.000 Okay, well then I misunderstood.

00:45:01.000 So, what their point was, if it is lawful but awful, we will restrict it and hide it or worse.

00:45:06.000 And then who gets to define what awful is?

00:45:07.000 Exactly, this is the problem.

00:45:08.000 The central authority.

00:45:09.000 I have no idea.

00:45:10.000 Like, once you've gone down this path, I mean, we've already done this before.

00:45:14.000 That's what's so frustrating.

00:45:15.000 Just a couple years ago we were doing this.

00:45:16.000 Dude, rubble.

00:45:17.000 We've been going through with Rumble.

00:45:18.000 Everyone's up in arms about Rumble right now. 1.00

00:45:19.000 Dude, it's the same shit. 1.00

00:45:20.000 Rumble's gonna get hit with this. 1.00

00:45:22.000 Chris is gonna make some stupid call that bans some dumb thing. 1.00

00:45:25.000 And Chris, I'm not... I will put you on the spot because you haven't called me back lately. 1.00

00:45:30.000 It's serious, man.

00:45:31.000 You've got to decentralize that platform.

00:45:32.000 Holding this stuff in one central area is a massive vulnerability and people can go crazy. 1.00

00:45:37.000 The FBI can take your shit. 0.99

00:45:38.000 Look, Elon's whole claim for why he purchased Twitter or X was that he understands, allegedly, how important open dialogue and conversation are. 1.00

00:45:52.000 When it was the left that was in control, that was absolutely banning anybody that was even like one degree to the right.

00:45:59.000 All my libertarian friends got banned too, so I took this personally.

00:46:03.000 The issue is that we understand that we're prepared in the battle, in the arena of ideas, we fear no man.

00:46:11.000 I want to have these conversations.

00:46:13.000 I don't want to see these people banned.

00:46:14.000 That just radicalizes them further.

00:46:16.000 but you're talking about, so it's one thing to say that you're going to, that you want your platform

00:46:23.000 to be an open exchange of ideas.

00:46:26.000 Then the point is, we are not going to censor perspectives.

00:46:31.000 We are not going to censor ideas, right?

00:46:33.000 So that's one thing. 0.99

00:46:35.000 But then it's one thing, that's different from saying, I wanna kill all those people, right?

00:46:42.000 The old Twitter, the reason that Musk bought it was because there were entire ideas that were not allowed to be articulated.

00:46:51.000 It wasn't that you couldn't say the n-word or the k-word or whatever, swear. 0.88

00:46:56.000 It wasn't about vulgarity.

00:46:57.000 The vulgarity is what ends up getting people in trouble.

00:47:02.000 You're never gonna see Martyr Maid get booted from X because of the way that he talks about stuff.

00:47:10.000 The whole fear and loathing in New Jerusalem, that whole thing, if he didn't come at the stories the way that he does and articulate them the way that he does, if he did it loosely and he was shitposting and stuff, all that stuff would be like, anti-Semitism, get out of here!

00:47:26.000 If he was approaching it by being vulgar and stuff.

00:47:30.000 But the idea It's completely fine to share those ideas on X, just so long as you're not shitposting about it. 0.61

00:47:38.000 Because the shitposting is what ends up offending people.

00:47:41.000 So on X, it's not censoring ideas.

00:47:46.000 And it used to be, before Musk, there were entire ideas that you were not allowed to share.

00:47:52.000 You couldn't say that a man could not become a woman.

00:47:56.000 That would offend someone, and that would get booed. 0.98

00:47:58.000 And that was ridiculous.

00:47:59.000 The Wuhan Institute of Virology, I got suspended for that, so I know that was a big deal.

00:48:03.000 But the point was, it was about not preventing the sharing of ideas, not about not saying things that were offensive.

00:48:10.000 Well, but see, this is the issue, is that this is still an idea.

00:48:13.000 Because what you're talking about, from the river to the sea, as you know, there are lots of people that don't feel that it is a call for genocide.

00:48:21.000 I don't believe them.

00:48:23.000 I honestly don't believe them.

00:48:25.000 None of them?

00:48:25.000 Really?

00:48:27.000 You think every single person that has said that wants to see a genocide? 0.57

00:48:32.000 Not a genocide, but they think that it's fine to say it should be a democracy where everybody there gets a say, and it should be a one-state solution, and the Jews would end up getting Slaughter! 0.93

00:48:49.000 I'm sorry, people are going to get mad at me for this, but I don't care.

00:48:51.000 If people started marching around doing Roman salutes while, you know, doing a Sieg Heil, are you going to be like, not everybody actually believes? 0.97

00:49:00.000 When Hamas puts out their charter, and they include, we read this this morning on The Culture War, Hamas' original charter included the, I think Phil mentioned it, it was one of the Hadiths, which quite literally says, the trees and the stones will call out, there's a Jew hiding behind me, so that the Muslims can come and hunt them and kill them. 0.94

00:49:17.000 And their charter actually says that there will not be Judgment Day until they've killed the Jews. 0.99

00:49:25.000 Like, you can, it's fair point, not everybody may mean that, but that would be akin to, you know, people going around doing a Roman salute. 0.72

00:49:31.000 Oh, I'll give you a better one.

00:49:33.000 I've seen, I've seen, I saw a family, extended family member of mine do the red salute at a march.

00:49:39.000 And I'm just like, it's so funny how many- That's the fist?

00:49:41.000 The fist where you show the fingers forward.

00:49:43.000 And the reason why they do that, so there's the victory fist, where you can like hold your fist in the air and shake it, but the red salute is when you hold your fingers forward, and I'm not gonna make the fist on camera, and it's because it represents that each individual finger is weak, but together is strong, and you show your enemies.

00:49:59.000 So when I see people doing that, I'm like, I understand they don't literally want to massacre and slaughter a bunch of people, and they don't literally want a communist takeover, chanting from the river to the sea.

00:50:11.000 By all means, we can say maybe that person doesn't really know, but nonetheless, you have a large group of people expressing the idea of Hamas, and Hamas's stated goal of wiping out Jews.

00:50:20.000 I don't disagree with... What would you think about if they let people say it with video chat, but if you type the words on the network, that gets blocked or banned?

00:50:31.000 Wait, I'm sorry.

00:50:32.000 So we could say, from the river to the sea, we could say all the words that got Elon's blocking or banning.

00:50:37.000 If we were able to say it in video chat, it would be okay, because they can hear the tone, they can see that we're talking about the idea.

00:50:42.000 But if we type it onto Twitter, it gets blocked or banned.

00:50:45.000 See, I still would rather not.

00:50:47.000 Because of the ambiguity of the statement in question, right?

00:50:50.000 If you were expressing the idea, I think that Israel should actually be Palestine, and there shouldn't be any Jews there. 1.00

00:50:58.000 Like, if you express that idea... But many of them don't believe that.

00:51:02.000 They do believe that there shouldn't be an Israel, they believe it should be Palestine, but they also believe that the Israelis should just be folded into Palestine.

00:51:10.000 I don't think you get that.

00:51:11.000 I don't think that's an option.

00:51:13.000 Well, many of them do believe that, when they say it.

00:51:16.000 And they're, to be as fair as I can, must be wrong.

00:51:19.000 Because I just...

00:51:22.000 Every time I ask the question, what would happen if the barriers around Gaza were removed, and all Palestinians were allowed free reign in Israel?

00:51:31.000 What would happen?

00:51:32.000 Will Chamberlain says outright this morning, the most devastating pogrom we've ever seen.

00:51:37.000 And the first thing Scott brings up is something of the right of return, and then... I gotta be honest.

00:51:46.000 I don't see how a person could argue the land belongs to them, it was stolen from them, and then someone would say, but if we allow them all free movement within this territory, there would not be conflict of some sort.

00:51:57.000 I agree there would be conflict.

00:51:58.000 I don't want to speak for Scott, I like the guy.

00:51:59.000 will in saying the Israelis are not disarmed as if to imply it would

00:52:03.000 necessarily be a pogrom it would be people getting shot and mass violence of

00:52:07.000 some sort I don't want to speak for Scott I like the guy yeah but my point is

00:52:10.000 I think there would be violence I hate bringing I don't even care about

00:52:14.000 making the issue specifically about Israel my point is the left lies about

00:52:19.000 everything all the time Sure.

00:52:21.000 And the weakness we face is that the classically liberal American ideals, and I don't mean modern liberal, but the, like as Phil mentioned, we take their arguments in good faith and try our best to live and work together.

00:52:34.000 We are just, they just run us over the coals every single time.

00:52:38.000 Not every time.

00:52:39.000 That's not fair to say they lie about everything, every time, is insane.

00:52:43.000 That's not true.

00:52:43.000 Okay, sure.

00:52:44.000 And also the left is- Now you're making semantics because obviously- Well you said it, it's hyperbole, you're a journalist.

00:52:49.000 What?

00:52:50.000 You just said the left lies about everything all the time and then you made it like that's a fact, now let's move forward in a conversation based on this- The needless- what you're saying is completely needless.

00:52:59.000 It conveys no idea to anybody.

00:53:04.000 I'm talking about matters of substantial consequence.

00:53:08.000 90% of the time, they're lying. 1.00

00:53:09.000 That's also just a number you pulled out of your ass. 0.99

00:53:11.000 I'm not saying people never lie, but just please be specific about it. 0.99

00:53:16.000 Do whatever you want.

00:53:16.000 If you can't have a real conversation, I don't know what you're doing here.

00:53:19.000 If the point is that in every major news story, Gaza hospital, fake.

00:53:23.000 Gaza refugee camp, fake.

00:53:25.000 They lied about two of the Biggest stories!

00:53:27.000 You're talking about the news organizations?

00:53:29.000 I'm talking about the activists.

00:53:31.000 The activists who are on the street and Hamas activists.

00:53:34.000 I talk about when they've lied about two of the biggest stories pertaining to what happened.

00:53:39.000 They're lying.

00:53:40.000 So when they come out and they say, oh did you know Israel did this?

00:53:43.000 I'm like, oh please.

00:53:44.000 Am I going to fall for this again?

00:53:46.000 I don't know.

00:53:47.000 Are you believing everything that the Israeli government's telling us is happening?

00:53:50.000 Absolutely not!

00:53:50.000 Yeah, it's like, you can't pin it on the left.

00:53:52.000 This is what I wanted to ask Tim about because he's made this point a few times over the past couple weeks and it's like, I agree, I'm very upset.

00:53:58.000 In fact, I had to put out an apology tweet about that hospital one because I felt so bad that I was misled.

00:54:04.000 But this was major news organizations that were putting this out.

00:54:09.000 The New York Times, to this day, has an article up saying that Brian Sicknick was killed by J6 protesters.

00:54:14.000 I know.

00:54:15.000 Look, I understand your anger towards them.

00:54:17.000 What I don't understand is why that mislead is so offensive to you, which I agree with, but then the IDF's misleads... When did I say it wasn't?

00:54:26.000 Well, but you've brought up the left is constantly lying.

00:54:29.000 It's like, but hasn't the IDF lied a lot too?

00:54:32.000 I don't care about the IDF.

00:54:33.000 I care about in the United States, American media, American universities, American leftists, and liberals, and people like Adam Schiff, and if I go down the list of every single thing they've lied about, and how it is... So it's the domestic policy side is what you care about?

00:54:47.000 I don't care about Israel. 0.98

00:54:48.000 I don't care about Palestine. 1.00

00:54:49.000 I don't care about Myanmar. 1.00

00:54:50.000 I don't care about Azerbaijan. 1.00

00:54:51.000 I care about the humanitarian crises in these places as equally as much as all of them.

00:54:55.000 They're all bad.

00:54:56.000 But the issue is domestic American leftists calling for decolonization, etc.

00:55:01.000 They will come to you and say, we are simply saying that people deserve some kind of reparations.

00:55:06.000 And then when you turn your back, they stick a knife in it.

00:55:08.000 And I mean that figuratively.

00:55:09.000 But when the New York Times, to this day, has a story up that says Brian Sicknick was killed, and that story is totally false, and the Capitol Police issued a statement saying it was natural causes, meaning non-external, meaning it was not homicide, and we know for a fact that's true.

00:55:27.000 They lied.

00:55:27.000 How come you got Thomas Massey?

00:55:29.000 He tells the truth.

00:55:30.000 How come you got Matt Gaetz?

00:55:31.000 He tells the truth.

00:55:32.000 How come you've got, and I'm not going to give all the Republicans credit, but it is consistently That you will read prominent conservative publications that will be fair even to their own detriment, and liberal publications lie the majority of the time.

00:55:46.000 Yeah.

00:55:46.000 In terms of domestic policy, sorry, the reason I asked to clarify is because, you know, from my vantage point, we have had fog of war deception on both sides of the Israel-Palestine war.

00:55:55.000 If you want to talk about just broadly who's the most foolish shit when it comes to domestic news, yeah, it's clear. 0.98

00:56:03.000 I mean, this is why Trump came to power, was he was telling fake news. 0.99

00:56:06.000 And I want to point out, we're going to jump to this next story in a second, but I have to point this out as well.

00:56:10.000 Twitter.

00:56:11.000 What were Twitter's biases?

00:56:13.000 No question left.

00:56:15.000 Yep.

00:56:16.000 And they were actively working with the United States intelligence agencies to suppress legitimate information in order to win political power.

00:56:16.000 100%.

00:56:25.000 Donald Trump, in my opinion, would be president today if not for the intelligence agencies going on Twitter and Facebook and YouTube and telling them explicitly you will not allow people to share information pertaining to the Hunter Biden story.

00:56:37.000 I guarantee he would have won.

00:56:38.000 I guarantee it. The polls show it could be from like six to ten percent. But outside of that,

00:56:44.000 let's imagine even Trump would not have won. We know, thanks to Elon Musk, that the United States

00:56:49.000 intelligence agencies were going to big tech and saying, you must do these things. Vijaya Gaddee

00:56:55.000 was having regular meetings with them. And I want to jump to and I want to add the election

00:57:00.000 integrity partnership colluding with the U.S.

00:57:03.000 government to censor me personally, as well as many other prominent individuals in politics.

00:57:08.000 And they called me a super spreader of misinformation.

00:57:12.000 Two points.

00:57:12.000 Why?

00:57:13.000 One, I retweeted, I think I retweeted Jack Posobiec and Elijah Schaeffer.

00:57:17.000 One time!

00:57:18.000 And that was their justification to slander my name, even though I said Donald Trump did not win, and because, typically, my story's led with, here's the lawsuits, and the merits must be heard.

00:57:29.000 And that is a threat to their manipulation.

00:57:32.000 But how about this one?

00:57:33.000 We have this story from Newsmax.

00:57:35.000 One of the most important stories, and I'm gonna, I don't know, I gotta make some phone calls to make this happen.

00:57:39.000 BitChute calls on Rep Jordan to investigate Parler de-platforming.

00:57:43.000 Now this is explosive stuff.

00:57:46.000 BitChute, a video hosting social media platform, is calling on Jim Jordan to investigate the deplatforming of Parler, another social media website popular with conservatives, as part of his House panel on government weaponization.

00:57:56.000 In a letter to Jordan, Bitchute's chief policy officer and former Parler chief policy officer, Amy Pykoff, wrote that Parler was likely de-platformed via the same sort of coordinated effort that were alleged in the select subcommittee on weaponization of the federal government's recent report on the censorship industrial complex.

00:58:14.000 This is explosive and is so far an allegation, but I believe it is fair to say that the probability lies in them being correct.

00:58:23.000 Why did Parler get unilaterally removed, instantly, from all these companies, smeared by the media, instantly, all at the exact same time, and it was all fake news?

00:58:34.000 They argued that Parler needed to be removed because January Sixers were using it to coordinate, despite the fact they actually used Facebook, and despite the fact the new evidence that's emerged shows the police were widely facilitating what was happening.

00:58:46.000 It stands to reason.

00:58:47.000 That the U.S. 0.57

00:58:48.000 government was threatened by the fact that large amounts of political individuals in the United States were leaving Twitter for a rival platform for which they had no control.

00:58:57.000 And we now know thanks to Elon Musk, whose purchase of Twitter is one of the greatest acts of heroism, shout out Elon Musk, because we're learning this, and when he leaked the emails revealing that Twitter, with its left biased, was heavily influenced specifically by the U.S.

00:59:13.000 intelligence agencies.

00:59:15.000 I would be willing to bet large sums of money, Parler was removed, Alex Jones was banned because of government intervention.

00:59:22.000 And I say this as someone who has proven definitively right now the U.S.

00:59:27.000 government colluded to censor me personally.

00:59:30.000 We're seeing this.

00:59:31.000 I would like to see Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, and anyone else.

00:59:34.000 I want to see the documents relating to Parler, because I'm willing to bet we are going to see something like an email that goes, we're really concerned about Parler.

00:59:42.000 And hey, Apple, by the way, you do know that facilitating terrorism is a crime in this country, right?

00:59:48.000 And January 6th was an insurrection.

00:59:51.000 They used Parler.

00:59:53.000 Heaven forbid we accuse you of aiding and abetting terrorism.

00:59:56.000 And then all of a sudden, Parler's gone.

00:59:56.000 Right.

00:59:58.000 Well, and keep in mind, too, that the reason Parler got taken down was because Amazon Web Services shut them down.

01:00:03.000 And I think that they've got a lot of government contracts.

01:00:05.000 They've benefited a lot.

01:00:06.000 It was pulled from the App Store.

01:00:07.000 Well, that is well.

01:00:09.000 But I'm saying that they had to actually migrate their servers because AWS stopped doing business with them because of the allegations that were fraudulent from the federal government.

01:00:18.000 The federal government has demonstrated time and time again that they have their tendrils into every social media network of any magnitude whatsoever.

01:00:26.000 And Parler came about, kind of had this fast rise that looked like it might actually be a competitor for Twitter or something else.

01:00:33.000 And they were like, can't have that.

01:00:35.000 We have our We have fought long and hard to get our hands of the FBI, the CIA, DHS, everybody else into Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, across the board.

01:00:45.000 And they're like, we can't have you guys having another outlet.

01:00:48.000 Sorry.

01:00:49.000 So we're going to make it go away.

01:00:51.000 And people think that, like, this is where I get pissed is that instead of us just talking about that, like, I appreciate Tim's anger about this because We ought to be furious.

01:00:59.000 Do we, I mean, do we know what we're actually talking about?

01:01:01.000 This is the land of the free, right?

01:01:03.000 This is America, right?

01:01:05.000 And we have all, we just accept the fact that every single thing we do on the internet is spied on by the federal government.

01:01:13.000 You know, when I was, when I was growing up, that would have been laughable.

01:01:16.000 And we would have never even considered it a possibility.

01:01:18.000 Now it's a given.

01:01:19.000 Think about how, how far, I almost cussed, how far we've transitioned, if you will, Remember when that there DNI guy lied to Congress about spying on the American people?

01:01:30.000 Yes.

01:01:31.000 Was it Clapper?

01:01:32.000 Yeah, it was James Clapper.

01:01:34.000 With anger, I kind of feel like Art of War style, when you're angry don't show it thing, because I'm beyond...

01:01:41.000 I'm enraged about the last seven years, but I'm acting like I'm just this happy-go-lucky guy because I really want to change it.

01:01:48.000 Yeah, me too.

01:01:49.000 And if you get angry, you become a target.

01:01:51.000 So I don't know if... See, I'm okay with being a target because I want people to know that they're not alone in their exasperation.

01:01:58.000 I'm so exhausted by the tyranny that we languish under, and there's a lot of people out there that just accept it.

01:02:05.000 They just go like...

01:02:07.000 It is what it is.

01:02:08.000 I reject that wholeheartedly.

01:02:10.000 It is not necessary that we suffer this forever.

01:02:15.000 I don't go much into birthright type of stuff, but if there is a birthright of every American, it is that we can speak freely, we can defend ourselves, You know, there's a handful of, like, really sacrosanct type of beliefs and ideals that we uphold.

01:02:30.000 And it seems like very few people take that seriously.

01:02:33.000 They look at their politicians that are constantly infringing upon them, and they accept it.

01:02:37.000 They just go, it is what it is, Clint.

01:02:39.000 It's tyranny.

01:02:39.000 You know?

01:02:40.000 That's where we're at.

01:02:41.000 That's not okay.

01:02:42.000 We can't live like that.

01:02:43.000 If you expect the America that we knew and loved to actually sustain itself, to be there 10, 20, 30 years from now, we have to actually Vocalize our anger towards the system and actually demand that it change.

01:02:58.000 And I appreciate your kind of, you know, Buddhist outlook on it, but I really think that there needs to be some anger demonstrated.

01:03:05.000 Even if it puts the sights on me, I just don't care.

01:03:07.000 I don't.

01:03:09.000 It may be that it's unstoppable, the corruption is unstoppable, that we need to build systems that can't be tampered with.

01:03:15.000 Like Parler should have been a system that couldn't be taken down.

01:03:18.000 Like a decentralized web network that Like a mesh network or something, where everyone's like, how do we hit this whack-a-mole thing?

01:03:24.000 It's unstoppable.

01:03:25.000 I'm sure could they do it over, they would have done so.

01:03:28.000 But the truth is, they're gone.

01:03:30.000 Parler's basically gone at this point.

01:03:33.000 This is what's so nefarious about it.

01:03:36.000 In the rise of a social media network, there's the exponential growth phase that you have to hit if you're going to succeed.

01:03:44.000 And if you don't hit it, or if you're derailed mid That exponential rise?

01:03:50.000 So all the federal government has to do from here on out, like exactly what they're doing with TikTok, threatening that they're going to ban TikTok.

01:03:50.000 You're toast.

01:03:57.000 I'm not a fan of TikTok.

01:03:58.000 That's not the point.

01:03:59.000 You give them that precedent.

01:04:00.000 You allow them to just shut down one of the most successful social media apps of all time, maybe the most successful.

01:04:04.000 And what do you think they're going to do from there?

01:04:06.000 Well, all of a sudden, Elon Musk acquires Twitter.

01:04:09.000 Gotta ban that, right?

01:04:10.000 Because we already have the precedent.

01:04:12.000 He's allowing some sort of CCP propaganda to be pushed.

01:04:16.000 Clint, do you think on a long time frame, you know, 100, 200 years, do you think that there is the possibility that we're going to not have constant monitoring and constant, you know, the government or Maybe not even just the government, but constant overwatch from a large entity, because I know that there's a lot of people that now are speaking very, you know, we can't let this happen and blah blah blah blah blah, etc.

01:04:52.000 Because this is still new stuff, I don't think in two generations anyone's gonna even think about not being monitored all the time.

01:05:01.000 Well- Because I don't think that- I don't think the option- I think that there are teenagers now that just accept it as part of reality.

01:05:10.000 Of course!

01:05:11.000 Like it's a part of the- like it's a part of living in modern society.

01:05:15.000 And I don't see how That's going to be... Again, I don't see the off-ramp.

01:05:22.000 I don't see how we convince people that the convenience is not worth it, because that's really what it's about.

01:05:32.000 Oftentimes the pendulum doesn't swing back until the pain is great enough, right?

01:05:35.000 And I feel like the reason I'm so loud about this stuff is that you're right.

01:05:39.000 Phil, that, like, the vast majority of young people... Because we've got forever! 1.00

01:05:44.000 Like, just barring some kind of, like, extinction event, it's this problem never goes away for the rest of the time that there are human beings.

01:05:55.000 Well, the surveillance capacity never goes away, but that doesn't mean that you can't have rules and regulations that apply to the government as far as what they're allowed to do and what criminal punishment they have to pay if they violate them.

01:06:07.000 I don't see how we get any kind of rules or regulations.

01:06:10.000 Well, it's going to happen in some countries.

01:06:13.000 Do you want to be here?

01:06:14.000 You don't think it'll happen anywhere on Earth?

01:06:17.000 I don't think that there's going to be, I don't think that there's any society that currently has the ability to force their government to do anything anymore. 0.98

01:06:27.000 Damn, that's dark. 0.97

01:06:28.000 You gotta build it. 1.00

01:06:28.000 Wait till the AI takes over. 1.00

01:06:30.000 I know, that's honestly, I mean we've had this conversation, Tim.

01:06:34.000 Once you get, you know, chips that are implanted in most people's brains, and again, these are problems that don't go away.

01:06:42.000 This isn't like, oh, we'll solve it this generation, and then we don't have to worry about it in the next generation, or the following generation, or three generations down.

01:06:51.000 Once this genie is let out of the bottle, it is something that for as long as there is industrialized You know, modern society, this problem does not go away.

01:07:05.000 I see, like, the law evolving to computer software code.

01:07:08.000 So, like, instead of having a law on a paper somewhere, like, I hope we're all abiding by that thing.

01:07:12.000 It's actually part of the structure of our ability to communicate.

01:07:15.000 The laws are written into the way things work, so there's no ability for a government or foreign entity to violate the law or the code of the system.

01:07:26.000 You're neglecting pirates.

01:07:28.000 You're neglecting to think about real meat machines that don't want to... It's kind of like saying, hey, send me an ice cream cone on Twitter.

01:07:37.000 You can't because it can only send certain types of things because the code is such that only certain types of things can be transmitted.

01:07:43.000 So if that's your system, you can like...

01:07:46.000 You know, observing from the outside isn't part of that code.

01:07:49.000 Considering the conversation that we've had so far tonight, talking about what was done to Parler, what makes you think that that will ever be a possibility?

01:07:57.000 What benefit?

01:07:58.000 How, like, why would the people that currently control the levers of power, why would they allow that?

01:08:05.000 Because right now I think that there's the people that, the powers that be, have enough control Where I think it's already too late.

01:08:13.000 I think you could still build it using like blockchain technology and have decentralized.

01:08:18.000 Yeah.

01:08:19.000 I think that it would take the will.

01:08:23.000 I think that people don't have the will to push back against it.

01:08:27.000 Because that's what I'm working on.

01:08:30.000 Modern society is so convenient.

01:08:32.000 Your average kids don't know what they like.

01:08:35.000 We see TikToks and we make jokes about TikToks all the time of kids that don't have any idea how society works.

01:08:42.000 Gen Z, 2021, 80% supporting same-sex marriage.

01:08:47.000 I'm not making a moral statement.

01:08:50.000 I'm saying opinions shift dramatically and things could change.

01:08:54.000 I've noticed if you spend a lot of time with autistic software developers, you'll get a lot more hope, because they all already know that it's possible.

01:09:00.000 It's just, you're just constantly going to be chasing the tail.

01:09:02.000 It'll be, we'll create new systems that can't be tampered with and then... I just wanted to add something as a total aside.

01:09:09.000 Because you mentioned something that made me think of this and I checked.

01:09:12.000 Crickets are already in your food.

01:09:13.000 You're already eating crickets.

01:09:14.000 And so they don't list the ingredient as cricket.

01:09:14.000 Yeah.

01:09:18.000 It's called acheta.

01:09:20.000 And so it's not ubiquitous, but the products exist where you might not realize that the cheesy puffs you bought will say in the ingredients, you know, like corn flour, cheese enzymes, acheta, yada, yada, yada.

01:09:32.000 And then you're like, oh, and you don't realize that they put cricket in there without telling you.

01:09:36.000 Acheta is a genus of cricket. 0.61

01:09:37.000 Yep.

01:09:39.000 So I saw this on Facebook, you mentioned something about where we're headed and eating the bugs and all that stuff, and you look it up and it's like, yeah, the ingredients list will say a cheddar.

01:09:47.000 See, I am totally unprepared to accept the inevitability that I will be eating crickets for the rest of my life, or being surveilled for the rest of my life.

01:09:56.000 I reject it outright, I will not go along with this no matter how challenging it is.

01:10:00.000 I'm saying that this problem doesn't stop because we think we found a solution for this generation.

01:10:06.000 It's the same thing that Reagan said.

01:10:08.000 The problem of freedom versus tyranny, that never stops either.

01:10:11.000 Like Reagan said, liberty is never more than one generation away from being lost.

01:10:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:16.000 Exactly.

01:10:17.000 So this fight is eternal.

01:10:21.000 The failures that have now compounded to produce young people that are saying, Osama bin Laden was right, the failures are ours. 0.98

01:10:31.000 They are Gen X's, they are the boomers, they belong to the millennials. 0.97

01:10:36.000 No, no, no, I will add this.

01:10:38.000 It is entirely possible that it is not our fault that young people on TikTok are doing these things.

01:10:43.000 If you're walking down the street and someone lobs a snowball to the back of your head and it hits you, is that your fault that happened, right?

01:10:50.000 China, TikTok, influence operations, we may have just been caught off guard.

01:10:55.000 So you can make the argument, well, you should have known it was possible, and that's fair.

01:10:59.000 If you're walking down the street in a neighborhood and it's snow everywhere, You should realize there's a chance someone might throw a snowball at you, and so you should be, you know, vigilant, I suppose.

01:11:07.000 Though getting hit with a snowball's not the biggest deal in the world.

01:11:09.000 Should we have been prepared for Chinese-run influence operations in this country? 0.60

01:11:13.000 Yes.

01:11:14.000 But I do think it's fair, it's possible we could say, it's not any generation's fault, they just attacked us. 0.98

01:11:19.000 I still haven't seen, like, much along the same lines of these Iranian-backed militias and these Iranian-backed, funded, trained... Every time the U.S.

01:11:28.000 or Israel is struck, it's always Iranian-backed. 0.99

01:11:30.000 Like, that's immediately what they report.

01:11:32.000 I've never seen any evidence of it.

01:11:33.000 Similarly, I've never seen any evidence of the CCP actually modifying their code for the U.S.

01:11:41.000 version of TikTok to propagate something that's destructive.

01:11:45.000 Because don't they have a separate code for... They have a different, it's a totally different company in China.

01:11:49.000 Okay, well then same, okay.

01:11:51.000 So hold on, when at the start of the Israel-Palestine conflict, there were 10 to 1 pro-Palestine posts versus pro-Israel, yet the pro-Palestine posts were getting no views.

01:12:03.000 After almost like a day into the next week, the views went tenfold.

01:12:09.000 And so that's indicative of an algorithmic change.

01:12:12.000 I'm not saying I know for sure.

01:12:13.000 My point is, TikTok is loaded with values that are subversive to the United States, and it's a Chinese-run company. 1.00

01:12:19.000 It's owned by ByteDance, which owns Buzz Video, CapCut, Byke.com, Pico, Lemon8, Tweetalia.

01:12:28.000 Oh yeah, if you use CapCut to make videos, you're sending those videos directly to China.

01:12:32.000 So I assume their code is not public, right?

01:12:34.000 It's all proprietary, it's all private code.

01:12:36.000 Well, then I guess we won't know.

01:12:37.000 But to be fair, while TikTok may be Chinese communist propaganda, Facebook and YouTube are American communist propaganda.

01:12:43.000 Exactly.

01:12:44.000 And this is why I struggle to get my... whatever that term is.

01:12:49.000 I can't really get upset about TikTok when it's like, well, I have my own government here.

01:12:54.000 No, I disagree.

01:12:55.000 Look, the United States does bad things all the time, but we're being actually attacked by a foreign adversary to destroy our future generations. 0.96

01:13:02.000 That's pretty depressing.

01:13:04.000 Well, no, it is, but the difference between you and I is that I perceive the federal government's manipulation of us as also an attack of our future generations and our current one.

01:13:13.000 I view the federal government in America as a far greater threat than any foreign government on earth.

01:13:17.000 No, I think that is way wrong.

01:13:19.000 I'm being totally honest.

01:13:20.000 You think that if you were conquered by the CCP, you'd be like, this is better than the US government?

01:13:24.000 No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying.

01:13:26.000 There are other governments that are far worse.

01:13:28.000 My point is, the greater threat to me and my loved ones, at present, is the federal government of America.

01:13:34.000 That I understand.

01:13:35.000 Do you understand the distinction?

01:13:36.000 Yeah, I get it, I get it.

01:13:37.000 Okay.

01:13:37.000 Because, like, do I actually think that the CCP is going to come over here and actually mess up my life?

01:13:42.000 Probably not.

01:13:43.000 But they are.

01:13:43.000 Do I think that the Feds... Well, okay, fine.

01:13:46.000 In the periphery, but I'm saying the Feds could actually put me behind bars tomorrow because I said something on my podcast that's... But this is the worrying thing.

01:13:53.000 Okay, we see this every day with TikTok.

01:13:59.000 We got banned from TikTok.

01:14:00.000 We created a new account.

01:14:01.000 I guess that's what you're allowed to do.

01:14:02.000 I don't know.

01:14:03.000 The list of things you're not allowed to talk about on TikTok, it's basically if you are an LGBTQIA2 plus communist, you're fine. 0.99

01:14:13.000 Anything else so we actually have a list of because because we follow the rules doesn't matter if you follow the rules There's on there's secret tick-tock rules.

01:14:21.000 And so we're we're we have like we have a social media list of like, okay Here's the things that if no matter what no matter what you say you mention it they ban you.

01:14:29.000 Mm-hmm That's TikTok.

01:14:30.000 TikTok's list is massive.

01:14:31.000 Facebook is pretty bad, and YouTube is actually the least bad.

01:14:35.000 I'm sorry, X is now the best.

01:14:37.000 Right.

01:14:38.000 You can say a lot on X. Is Rumble not better than X?

01:14:41.000 Rumble and X are comparable.

01:14:42.000 Okay.

01:14:43.000 I think Rumble's probably better.

01:14:44.000 Okay.

01:14:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:45.000 But yes, in terms... I don't even want to bring up X because it's kind of a given, but considering it was originally part of the big three.

01:14:51.000 But YouTube is better than Facebook.

01:14:52.000 I'll put it that way.

01:14:54.000 TikTok is an Instagram arc.

01:14:57.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

01:14:57.000 Nuts!

01:14:58.000 This is why I'm surprised that Phil was okay with banning of the River of the Sea and the decolonization, because it's like, we fought so hard, we were so thrilled to see Elon take over X to kind of liberalize the speech dynamics there, but yet this is such a danger that you're okay with it?

01:15:15.000 It is the greatest danger to the United States.

01:15:18.000 Decolonization and the left.

01:15:22.000 The cultural revolution that we're going through right now is unquestionably the greatest threat to the United States and to society, the people that live in the United States.

01:15:31.000 Absolutely.

01:15:32.000 I think the more imminent threat is World War III, but I will agree with you that the Marxist revolution is a close second from my perspective.

01:15:38.000 That doesn't change the fact that I don't believe censorship actually addresses a Marxist revolution.

01:15:44.000 In fact, I agree.

01:15:46.000 I think it would seek to embolden it.

01:15:48.000 And it would radicalize them extremely.

01:15:50.000 It would not radicalize them.

01:15:52.000 They're already plenty radicalized.

01:15:54.000 That's the exact argument they make against the alt-right.

01:15:57.000 They say, you can't radicalize them, they're already radical.

01:15:59.000 Then they go over to, you know, Pepe Central, and then they get a lot more radical.

01:16:05.000 Yeah, but when you go to, when you deal, like right now on Twitch, there are people that constantly have conversations.

01:16:11.000 What do we do with the police after the revolution?

01:16:15.000 Right, they're like, what do you do with the cops once you've dissolved the state you're gonna need the cops They're already talking about the the precursor con conversations to Put them in the gulags.

01:16:30.000 Like these are the precursor conversation.

01:16:31.000 What do you do with the police when you've when you've got rid of the state?

01:16:35.000 Well, you got to do something with them because they're all these people that know how to carry out direct action stuff Yeah And what do you do with them?

01:16:43.000 Well, what the communists historically have done is killed them.

01:16:47.000 And so these conversations... But who's going to enforce these censorship protocols, and who are they actually going to go after?

01:16:52.000 Are they going to go after these black block kids, or are they going to go after you and me? 0.71

01:16:55.000 So they're not going to go after... The federal government, I don't think the federal government should be doing any of that, because I haven't said the federal government should do any of it.

01:17:02.000 I'm talking about, if you're talking about like Platforms and stuff like that.

01:17:09.000 And when it comes to the actual, like, how do you stop the spread of it, it's get out of schools.

01:17:16.000 Get rid of critical pedagogy in schools.

01:17:19.000 Get rid of all of that Marxist stuff.

01:17:21.000 And get rid of DEI.

01:17:23.000 DEI, all that stuff.

01:17:24.000 Let's jump to the story.

01:17:25.000 None of the stuff I'm talking about is government stuff.

01:17:28.000 I'm really looking forward to reading this headline.

01:17:29.000 This is from Fox News.

01:17:31.000 LeVar Burton threatens to strike women Because they don't like his books.

01:17:37.000 Here's a real headline.

01:17:38.000 LaVar Burton accused of threatening physical violence against mom's group at book award ceremony.

01:17:43.000 So what he had said was, are there any moms for liberty here?

01:17:46.000 No?

01:17:47.000 Then we won't have to use hands.

01:17:49.000 Is that what he said?

01:17:50.000 Then hands will not need to be thrown tonight.

01:17:50.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:17:50.000 Good.

01:17:57.000 This is a really shocking thing to hear.

01:18:00.000 And the question is, how do you get to the point where LeVar Burton doesn't know and doesn't care about pornographic material being given to children?

01:18:09.000 I want to give a shout out to Taylor Hanson.

01:18:12.000 Put up a great video on Tenet.

01:18:13.000 Tenet Media, watch them on YouTube.

01:18:15.000 He goes around asking people, do you think they should ban books from schools?

01:18:19.000 And they're, no, no, of course not.

01:18:20.000 And he goes, okay, read this for me.

01:18:22.000 And then they go, no!

01:18:23.000 And he's like, should that be in school?

01:18:24.000 No!

01:18:25.000 And he's like, okay, well those are the books they're banning.

01:18:26.000 And they're like, oh.

01:18:28.000 So, how do you have someone Like LeVar Burton.

01:18:33.000 I view this as the banality of evil, right?

01:18:35.000 This is, to me, the same thing as the guy doing the salute to Hitler without knowing why he's saluting or caring about what Hitler's plans were.

01:18:41.000 This is a guy who is saying he is threatening physical violence.

01:18:45.000 Call it a joke, call it whatever you want.

01:18:47.000 He actually said, we don't gotta throw hands.

01:18:49.000 In reference to moms who are like, please don't show my kids porn. 1.00

01:18:54.000 The name of the group is actually Moms for Liberty and he's like, I don't have to throw hands with these moms. 0.73

01:18:59.000 It's like, you think you're the good guy?

01:19:02.000 How crazy is it that we've gotten to this point where people are just like, yeah, we're going to threaten violence against women because of the ideology.

01:19:08.000 And by the way, that ideology that they uphold, they're like, fans of the Bill of Rights.

01:19:13.000 He's threatening to strike women. 0.83

01:19:14.000 Yeah, he's threatening to strike women.

01:19:16.000 And we got to this point in 2014.

01:19:20.000 So it's been a decade.

01:19:23.000 I know that I've been taking heat for saying no, you don't punch Nazis.

01:19:27.000 Forever.

01:19:28.000 And the reason you don't is because it is illiberal. 0.99

01:19:32.000 Because we're a liberal country, and if you're going to actually engage with ideas, you don't get to say, I don't like your ideas, so I'm gonna punch you.

01:19:42.000 And that, it started out with punching Nazis, and everyone was afraid to say, no, you don't want to punch Nazis, because everyone's afraid of sounding like they're defending Nazis. 0.89

01:19:50.000 You don't punch Nazis, but you also don't censor commies, Phil. 0.93

01:19:53.000 No, commies aren't people, so. 0.93

01:19:56.000 There's a different thing.

01:19:57.000 No, but that's a legitimate legal statement.

01:20:00.000 I know, I know.

01:20:00.000 But this is an important distinction.

01:20:02.000 Right, Josie points out the 1964 Civil Rights Act actually excludes communists, and that's kind of crazy.

01:20:08.000 That's crazy.

01:20:09.000 It's incredible.

01:20:09.000 It's because it's an idea.

01:20:11.000 It has nothing to do with... It's extraordinarily base, but I still disagree with it.

01:20:14.000 I believe in free speech, even for communists, even if they're not people.

01:20:17.000 I don't.

01:20:17.000 Okay, that's fine.

01:20:20.000 But yeah, so I lost my train of thought there.

01:20:22.000 Well, let me just add something real quick because kind of real breaking news was that Paramount Global is also now suspending advertisement on X. So you now have Disney, Warner, Paramount Global, and Lionsgate.

01:20:34.000 Basically everybody that makes movies in this country is suspended.

01:20:38.000 It's a coordinated assault.

01:20:39.000 It is.

01:20:40.000 Related to Parler, related to Elon attacking the Deep State.

01:20:43.000 It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

01:20:45.000 They just need an excuse.

01:20:47.000 Boycott these companies.

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01:20:58.000 Look, I am very disturbed.

01:21:00.000 This is like another iteration of the same ESG dynamic that I was kind of talking about very aggressively a couple years ago, is that You have this manipulative, these tools now where the federal government is able to influence private business to circumvent our God-given rights, the Bill of Rights.

01:21:19.000 That's what they do.

01:21:20.000 That's exactly why the ESG framework exists.

01:21:22.000 That's exactly why DEI exists, is that there are constitutional protections that they can get around as long as they use these allegedly private entities to do so.

01:21:32.000 And this is why I don't support any sort of censorship on social media, especially when you realize that it's not usually a private entity that is making these decisions.

01:21:41.000 There is a lot, a lot of this is happening from a very high level where they're essentially manipulating the broader public, and they're controlling the dialogue and the dynamic between us as human beings.

01:21:52.000 This is the whole reason Elon allegedly bought X, was that he understood that if we didn't have conversations with one another, we would end up fighting each other in the streets.

01:22:00.000 And we're headed back towards that because these people are trying to force him into a course correction by absorbing his advertiser revenue.

01:22:10.000 That's what they're doing.

01:22:11.000 It's clear.

01:22:12.000 Sorry, Phil.

01:22:13.000 No, it's just that the idea that phrases can't be said is one thing.

01:22:21.000 It's different when you're talking about ideas that can't be shared.

01:22:24.000 So the idea behind, and I think that it's okay to say you can't say from the river to the sea, because that is a shorthand, essentially a slang term for an idea.

01:22:36.000 Explain your idea!

01:22:38.000 Because if you explain it, then you can't hide behind from the river to the sea. 0.99

01:22:42.000 Do you mean kill all the Jews? 0.98

01:22:44.000 Is that what you mean? 0.99

01:22:45.000 What are you talking about?

01:22:47.000 Don't give me from the river to the sea.

01:22:48.000 Tell me what you mean.

01:22:50.000 And then they go, it means that Palestinians will have equal rights.

01:22:54.000 Well, but then it's dragged out into an actual conversation, and you can talk to them, which is again, the problem isn't we need to ban these ideas from being shared when you say, we don't want these phrases.

01:23:09.000 What you're saying is, we don't want you to be able to hide.

01:23:14.000 And that's essentially what it boils down to, is they hide behind these phrases.

01:23:18.000 But banning these phrases is actually how you force these people back into hiding.

01:23:21.000 Let them say it.

01:23:22.000 No, no, no, because you make them actually articulate their idea.

01:23:25.000 I'm not saying you kick them off or get rid of them for being commies. 1.00

01:23:28.000 That's what Elon's talking about.

01:23:30.000 He's talking about saying that if you're genocidal... Fair point to Phil.

01:23:37.000 They will now have to explain what their argument for decolonize is instead of just saying decolonize.

01:23:43.000 And every time we hear- I guess that's a fair point.

01:23:45.000 Every time we talk about from the river to the sea, people talk about, no, well it means this, and it doesn't mean that, and then it gets all real, you know, real tough to nail down what they're talking about, which is something that the left thrives on.

01:23:58.000 It's part of the reason why they don't- Instead of censorship, you're like- It's part of the reason why they don't have a, that's part of the reason why they use the same vocabulary, but don't use the same dictionary, because they want to be able to hide their intent.

01:24:11.000 That's actually a tactic they use. 0.99

01:24:14.000 But you've already admitted that they lie.

01:24:17.000 You've emphasized that a lot.

01:24:19.000 So what do you think, I mean, like, I just don't understand how, oh, now we've banned these four words in this particular order, so now they have to explain it differently, and that's going to somehow help us?

01:24:29.000 Like if they type from the sea to the river, will that help?

01:24:31.000 What if they type F-T-R-T-C?

01:24:35.000 This is exactly what my camp had to go through three years ago when it came to COVID.

01:24:40.000 I had to shift all of my language to try and stay out of the censorship.

01:24:43.000 Well, it's still the case.

01:24:45.000 Gen Z says unalive.

01:24:46.000 They don't say killed.

01:24:47.000 Exactly.

01:24:47.000 It's really neurotic when you see like the F word with a star where the U is just because they're like, I'm afraid that daddy's going to demonetize me.

01:24:55.000 Afraid?

01:24:55.000 It's a fact they will.

01:24:56.000 It's such just a shit show that people are afraid that if they type a couple of letters, it's going to drastically change their life. 0.99

01:25:04.000 But it does. 0.99

01:25:05.000 But it shouldn't, is my point.

01:25:08.000 And if people go on YouTube and they say, so-and-so killed, you get demonetized instantly.

01:25:12.000 If you say unalived, you're fine.

01:25:13.000 It's gotta be the word killed with like an exclamation point for the eye. 1.00

01:25:17.000 You already aren't allowed to say, I'm gonna kill this person or kill that person. 0.98

01:25:21.000 That's not what I'm talking about.

01:25:23.000 If I want to do a story where I say, police officer accused of killing teenager, I'm demonetized instantly.

01:25:29.000 If I say, I have to come up with very clever ways to explain it because it's not a human being that is telling me what to do, it's a machine that doesn't understand anything.

01:25:37.000 So you've got to use clever things like, teens life lost after police officer fires weapon.

01:25:44.000 And then it's like, people know what I said, but the algorithm doesn't.

01:25:47.000 I'm basically having to do a cap chat with every title I make in a video.

01:25:50.000 I kind of align with letting the network owners ban whatever they want.

01:25:55.000 I think that we're at that point.

01:25:56.000 I don't want the government to intervene.

01:25:57.000 So you can't do that with your network.

01:26:00.000 If Elon wants to ban all women and everyone that typed the letter I, he can do it. 1.00

01:26:04.000 It's his network.

01:26:05.000 But that's also why I want these people to have to free their software code.

01:26:08.000 So if you abuse your network like that, he can start one with that same code.

01:26:12.000 All of the code is, you can check the code on X. Not all of it.

01:26:15.000 Some of it.

01:26:16.000 Some of the algorithm.

01:26:17.000 He freed but I don't know according to Bill who I talked to CEO minds calm bill up and he said there's like 80% more to do well, I mean Yeah, I I think that I think that that's part of my problem with your your Your take on freeing the code and stuff Most people don't know and they're gonna have to go to someone else to ask any even if it was freed You're gonna look at and be like, what is this?

01:26:39.000 Me personally, yeah.

01:26:41.000 And most people, so you're still going to outsource the information to someone you trust.

01:26:47.000 But what happens is if Clint's got the network and he's abusing it because he's banning people that are typing the word OK, but then you spin up the same network and you don't ban people that say, OK, I'm going to switch off his and go to your network, and it's going to be seamless because the code's interoperable, so I can just go to whatever network has better terms.

01:27:03.000 How much does it cost to hire a coder to make a version of Twitter?

01:27:07.000 One guy to probably take about 17 years and about 900 million.

01:27:11.000 It would take a long time.

01:27:12.000 And then you got to imagine Twitter's building every moment that you're building.

01:27:15.000 So they're constantly getting ahead of you and they have more developers.

01:27:18.000 Like if someone wanted to spin up something that was akin to Twitter right now, how much money would they need?

01:27:22.000 How much money?

01:27:23.000 How many hours would it take one guy to build?

01:27:25.000 I didn't say one guy.

01:27:25.000 I'm talking about someone wants to start a company.

01:27:28.000 Okay, a guy wants to start a company and he's like, we're going to compete with Twitter in the way you're describing.

01:27:33.000 Like, this is a real question.

01:27:35.000 What is the capital required for someone to compete with Twitter?

01:27:38.000 It'd be man hours.

01:27:38.000 How many man hours do you need?

01:27:41.000 How many coders do you need?

01:27:41.000 How many hours will it take?

01:27:43.000 How much do the coders cost?

01:27:44.000 It's a lot.

01:27:45.000 I don't know.

01:27:46.000 It's a lot.

01:27:46.000 Are we talking like a hundred million dollars?

01:27:48.000 I'm asking serious, legitimate questions.

01:27:51.000 Plus you need to keep the thing running, which is super expensive.

01:27:54.000 All right, so just put it like this.

01:27:56.000 Elon acquired Twitter for what?

01:27:58.000 $54 billion?

01:27:59.000 $44 billion.

01:28:00.000 Okay, so if he could just build it for $200 million, well then obviously the network effect and all of the users matters tremendously, so that's the premium he's paying.

01:28:10.000 And IP.

01:28:10.000 I don't think there's a one-for-one there.

01:28:13.000 No, it's not, but I'm just saying it's got to be significant to build one from scratch.

01:28:19.000 Well, right.

01:28:19.000 I'd imagine it's going to be like a hundred million.

01:28:21.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:28:22.000 Try not to think of it in terms of money.

01:28:23.000 No, not a hundred.

01:28:24.000 It's more about how many hours it's going to take.

01:28:26.000 Look, mines exist and mines has a lot of this functionality too.

01:28:30.000 It didn't cost that much money.

01:28:31.000 How much did mines cost to get to where it is?

01:28:33.000 It's more about hours, because guys can work for cheap or they can work for expensive.

01:28:36.000 And so there's an average, there's a median salary for software developers and back-end and front-end and full-stack, etc, etc.

01:28:43.000 Probably, oh my gosh, off the top of my head, 300,000 man-hours?

01:28:48.000 Is that about right?

01:28:50.000 Sounds like a lot.

01:28:51.000 Let me make one more point about this.

01:28:53.000 And then I'll say, what is it, 70 bucks an hour or something?

01:28:56.000 Roughly.

01:28:57.000 I mean, yeah, roughly, but like the CEO is working, he's worth like $1,000 an hour.

01:29:00.000 But we're averaging.

01:29:01.000 So that's $210 million.

01:29:03.000 Yeah.

01:29:03.000 I mean, this number is off the top of my head without really thinking too deep about it.

01:29:06.000 I'm doing it off the top of my head.

01:29:07.000 I could be wrong.

01:29:08.000 One guy does 50 hours a week.

01:29:09.000 Maybe it's $21 million.

01:29:10.000 And this is why the concept of freeing the code to the extent that someone could create their own version is impossible because like every other attempt, this has been attempted before too, what you're describing, it results in companies abandoning the project because of a lost investment.

01:29:25.000 Right. Yeah, you would just be implicated if the code. I mean, if they did that, that would be

01:29:30.000 bad for that because then someone would just pick it up and keep keep it running.

01:29:33.000 No, they abandon it. There's tons of like if Elon abandoned Twitter,

01:29:35.000 someone would pick it up and keep running it. But he would abandon it. What happens is if

01:29:40.000 someone's like, it's not about saying we're going to stop the company and cease to exist. It's

01:29:43.000 hey, how much does it cost for us to spin up a company?

01:29:47.000 It's going to cost about $200 million, and then once we do, the government will seize all of our intellectual property and give it away for free.

01:29:52.000 We don't do that.

01:29:52.000 Okay?

01:29:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:29:54.000 It would prevent the investment from the get-go.

01:29:58.000 You don't free it until it is in the commons, and there would be justification for it being useful to the people.

01:30:06.000 Do you mean like once it reaches a certain level of users?

01:30:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't want to stifle ingenuity.

01:30:09.000 Then every company would say, we're full, sorry, only $999 million allowed.

01:30:13.000 Yeah, that's probably true.

01:30:14.000 I'm not going to give up billions of dollars of investment and man hours to the government No, no private entity is going to want to give up power to the government, but that's not what antitrust laws are for.

01:30:27.000 It's not about, oh, sir, may I take your power from you?

01:30:29.000 It's no.

01:30:30.000 You've developed something that we the people utilize, so we the people are taking control of it.

01:30:34.000 And the point is, people would look at the investment and say, so the company, in the initial investment round, when they're discussing their plans, they're going to say, the project we have in mind is called Twixer.

01:30:45.000 Where you can post these photos, videos, and share ideas.

01:30:48.000 The growth period we're looking at is going to be over 5 to 10 years.

01:30:51.000 The initial investment we're seeking is going to be around $200 million.

01:30:54.000 We'll do it in multiple rounds.

01:30:55.000 And we expect a cap at $900 million for regulatory reasons.

01:30:58.000 There will never be more users than that.

01:31:00.000 So if you're going to make social media network to make money, you're in it for the wrong reasons.

01:31:04.000 Oh, that doesn't matter.

01:31:06.000 Come on.

01:31:07.000 This is not a money-making scheme.

01:31:11.000 Ian, your morals are fine.

01:31:12.000 Doesn't change anything I just said.

01:31:14.000 How would you do that?

01:31:16.000 You just stop letting people in at $999.

01:31:18.000 You've been in investment meetings.

01:31:19.000 Yeah.

01:31:20.000 Okay, investors are going to say, here's our business plan.

01:31:22.000 They're going to say, the investors are going to say,

01:31:25.000 what are, what are, okay, thank you for your plan.

01:31:28.000 We see how you're going to make money.

01:31:29.000 We see how many users are going to have.

01:31:31.000 We see how much it's going to cost.

01:31:32.000 Now, what are the pitfalls?

01:31:34.000 Everyone who's pitching to investors has to also include, here are our risks.

01:31:39.000 And they're going to say, well, as you know, the U.S.

01:31:40.000 government has implemented a law... At a 1 billion user count.

01:31:43.000 After 100 million users, your code becomes public property.

01:31:46.000 Therefore, we avoid this by putting a cap at 99 million.

01:31:49.000 And then the other guys don't, and they go up to 900,000 million, 9 billion users, or 4 billion users, and they're still getting ad revenue, even though their software code's free.

01:31:57.000 Here's where I think you're both probably a little bit off base, is that, in reality, Once you get to 99 million users, you would just buy off a politician to give you a cutout, and then you would grow above that threshold anyways.

01:32:08.000 I gotta be honest, it's actually much simpler than that.

01:32:10.000 Okay.

01:32:11.000 They say once we start exceeding 99 million, we start having a runoff room called Twoxer2, which is a separate company that will have a networking through Mastodon, which will connect the users, and we will avoid the regulation.

01:32:23.000 The fundamental problem that you're just glossing over, though, is once you have Insecure property rights, like you're describing, right?

01:32:33.000 So it becomes, once it hits a certain level, then it becomes nationalized.

01:32:38.000 If you have insecure property rights, those kind of problems- I'm not talking about nationalizing anything, but continue.

01:32:43.000 Well, okay.

01:32:44.000 So if you can't invest and then take the result, the benefits of the investment, that kind of insecure return on investment, It travels through your whole economy, and it screws up your whole economy.

01:32:58.000 That's one of the reasons why socialist countries don't work. 0.99

01:33:01.000 No one wants to invest in a socialist country if they're not going to get the return on their investment.

01:33:06.000 But you don't lose the code when it becomes free.

01:33:08.000 You still have your network, it still functions exactly.

01:33:11.000 But it's not proprietary.

01:33:12.000 And there's a lot of value in not having competitors.

01:33:12.000 It's not, but yes.

01:33:14.000 You just lose the profits.

01:33:15.000 You're basically offering as many competitors as possible.

01:33:17.000 We should ask Sam Altman what he thinks about keeping his code private at open end, now that he's been ousted from the company.

01:33:22.000 What does that have to do with anything?

01:33:24.000 now. All that code that was built by his company is no longer, he doesn't, he can't read it

01:33:24.000 Yeah, exactly, man.

01:33:28.000 because it's private and we're all...

01:33:30.000 Wasn't OpenAI supposed to be an open source nonprofit?

01:33:32.000 It started off as a charity and then in 2019 it made it a private company.

01:33:35.000 That's why Elon is so good.

01:33:36.000 So good what?

01:33:37.000 I'm glad he lost it all. Elon Musk talked about this because he gave a lot of money

01:33:41.000 saying how did this turn from a non-profit public good into a private corporation to

01:33:45.000 enrich people?

01:33:46.000 Yeah, exactly man. Social networking is dangerously...

01:33:48.000 So I laugh at Sam Altman being booted.

01:33:50.000 You know, it's a danger for the company that...

01:33:52.000 Like, that code belongs to some foreign entity now.

01:33:56.000 We don't know who owns it.

01:33:58.000 Bro, bro, but things belong to people all the time.

01:34:01.000 Like, Lockheed Martin owns powerful warships.

01:34:04.000 Yeah, I know.

01:34:05.000 Oh no, heaven, someone's got a gun!

01:34:06.000 And sometimes people don't own them, or we collectively own things like the roads, or things that we all use.

01:34:10.000 If it's collectively owned, then it's just a gun.

01:34:11.000 Do we collectively own the roads?

01:34:13.000 Yes, the humans... As soon as the government says you can't get on that road, that road is shut down.

01:34:17.000 But actually, Ian, you're wrong, especially in Chicago.

01:34:20.000 There's a company that actually owns them.

01:34:22.000 They own the rights to the roads.

01:34:23.000 The rights, but they can't shut the roads down whenever they want. 0.97

01:34:26.000 They can do a lot more than that.

01:34:27.000 They can have your car destroyed.

01:34:28.000 They can take your car from you, and the government... That's a dangerous precedent, man.

01:34:31.000 Absolutely!

01:34:32.000 That's the whole point!

01:34:32.000 Thanks for agreeing with me that privatizing certain entities of reality are dangerous.

01:34:36.000 No, no, no.

01:34:37.000 The federal government could put us all in prison tomorrow.

01:34:39.000 Monopolizing via the government who then sells your rights to a single private entity is a disaster.

01:34:45.000 Oh wait, you gotta say that again.

01:34:46.000 That didn't make any sense.

01:34:47.000 Okay, so in Chicago what happened was the city sold the rights to all, to the streets, to a single private company.

01:34:53.000 Why?

01:34:53.000 What the hell?

01:34:54.000 What happened?

01:34:56.000 It's been 20 years since I've been in Chicago, man.

01:34:58.000 More than just naming rights?

01:34:59.000 No, no, like they had the rights to enforce.

01:35:02.000 It was for parking, specifically.

01:35:05.000 But this means that if you're on the road and the private company deems you to be in violation, they have your car towed and they can have it destroyed.

01:35:10.000 That is not a good path.

01:35:12.000 Yeah, so this is fascism, right?

01:35:16.000 The lucrative merger of state and corporate entities to subvert.

01:35:20.000 But I digress.

01:35:21.000 The ultimate point here is that when you say, at a certain level, the IP of the company should be released to the public for use, the issue becomes...

01:35:31.000 One, it's an impossible standard to uphold.

01:35:33.000 People will just bypass this in various ways.

01:35:35.000 Like, I think you brought this up, that when Rockefeller's Gold, was it Rockefeller's?

01:35:41.000 Yes, Standard Oil Company.

01:35:42.000 He just got richer when they did it.

01:35:43.000 They broke it into six companies, and he had stock in all six of the new companies, so then he got even more wealthy.

01:35:48.000 Exactly.

01:35:49.000 Yeah, I don't think breaking companies apart is the way to go.

01:35:51.000 Most of those guys that were attacked with antitrust movements, they ended up being the progenitors of the

01:35:58.000 Federal Reserve.

01:36:00.000 Once you get to a certain level of power and wealth and influence, it's basically impossible

01:36:05.000 to use the government to actually crush these people because they own the government.

01:36:09.000 It becomes a situation where they're in conjunction with the government.

01:36:14.000 The fact that there is FBI desks at Facebook and at Google and stuff, that is essentially

01:36:23.000 having the federal government involved in the day-to-day operations of these companies.

01:36:29.000 If you open up a dictionary to fascism, it would be a photo of an FBI agent sitting in Facebook's headquarters.

01:36:35.000 And it's the same thing that the CCP does.

01:36:37.000 There's a person that represents the CCP So this is why I talk about freeing the code, because I think that if you wanted to prevent these companies from getting richer after their stuff is broken apart, you allow the world access to the software itself so that

01:36:56.000 That would, that would, that would, the government and the company no longer have it anymore.

01:37:00.000 They can't control it anymore.

01:37:01.000 But also, I think we should start with TikTok and just force these foreign, any foreign social network that wants to operate on U.S. 0.99

01:37:07.000 soil over a certain amount of users, free your software code AGPL3.

01:37:10.000 I got one, I got one better.

01:37:12.000 All social media companies must publish the algorithm code.

01:37:16.000 Their recommendation algorithms must be public.

01:37:20.000 The proprietary IP for how the system functions outside of that, they can keep.

01:37:23.000 They also have to make it AGPL3, which is Afro-General Public License 3, meaning that any changes made to the code are also publicly available.

01:37:32.000 So that someone can't just take the newly public code into private and change it and make it better.

01:37:36.000 You can't do that.

01:37:37.000 It always stays like an ever-expanding...

01:37:41.000 These are all laws that would take the government to enforce, and as soon as you have government working with companies, you invariably get collusion.

01:37:54.000 That's the reason why you have all these problems with banks and the government, because the Federal Reserve and the banks work together hand-in-hand, and as much as from the outside it looks like they're working together to take care of each other, They're trying to do what is going to harm the fewest amount of people.

01:38:14.000 Like, the reason that they bailed out the banks in in 08 and stuff was because they were trying to trying to lessen the damage to the economy, which would have hurt everybody.

01:38:26.000 So as much as I am for cutting the ties between government and the private sector, I don't think that it's as easy as we wish it was, is honestly my perspective.

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01:39:01.000 Now we got Fix Bayonets with the first Super Chat saying, hi.

01:39:05.000 Congratulations.

01:39:06.000 Perfect.

01:39:07.000 Alpha Turkey says, by the sweat of your face, you shall eat bread.

01:39:10.000 Wait, was that what it says?

01:39:11.000 By the sweat of your face, you shall eat bread.

01:39:13.000 Okay.

01:39:14.000 Is that from something?

01:39:15.000 I don't know what that is.

01:39:15.000 A biblical passage I'm not familiar with.

01:39:16.000 I don't know.

01:39:18.000 All right.

01:39:20.000 What do we have?

01:39:21.000 John McGee says judge has ruled that Trump will be on the ballot in Colorado.

01:39:25.000 So Trump has now won in Michigan, Minnesota, and Colorado.

01:39:29.000 Are there any that are still in doubt?

01:39:31.000 Uh, there, every other one.

01:39:35.000 I mean, that's a good start for the insurrection-y guy, apparently, though.

01:39:40.000 Jason Dixon says, on Discord only, Kellen and Serge, TimCast member only on Discord, tomorrow at 10 p.m.

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01:40:00.000 There's morning shows, there's after shows, there's pre-shows, so there's a lot of stuff going on.

01:40:04.000 You should definitely hang out, because building community and building culture is the mission.

01:40:08.000 But what is that?

01:40:08.000 You guys are hanging out, Serge?

01:40:09.000 Is that what the plan is?

01:40:11.000 Uh, I don't know everything exactly.

01:40:12.000 Callan's been kind of taking care of it for me, but I guess that is the plan.

01:40:15.000 So... Right on.

01:40:16.000 We'll see.

01:40:16.000 Yep.

01:40:18.000 Alright, T-Rex Pet Shop asks, Tim, do you know much about the new FCC regulations on internet access?

01:40:24.000 What does it mean, no discrimination based on income level free internet?

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01:40:31.000 Thanks for that, uh, uh, super chat, as well as a good ad for yourself.

01:40:35.000 I don't know enough about it.

01:40:36.000 I've read only a little bit.

01:40:37.000 I don't know what it entails either, but I can just tell you, based off of the phrasing being used, it's almost certainly a DEI style framework, which is diversity, equity, inclusion.

01:40:37.000 Yeah.

01:40:47.000 They're going to make it so that they're going to push equity.

01:40:52.000 Anytime you hear equity, you should hear communism.

01:40:54.000 They're going to push equity when it comes to the internet service providers.

01:40:57.000 Eventually, no white people allowed on the internet.

01:41:02.000 Probably.

01:41:02.000 Honestly.

01:41:03.000 All right.

01:41:04.000 Let's see what we have here.

01:41:06.000 Spider-Man 200 says, remember Tim, according to Jenk, those cops are right-wingers.

01:41:10.000 Fine, so be it.

01:41:11.000 Let's play their game.

01:41:12.000 If they want to make that argument, then I will side with AOC and say, yeah, all the Capitol Police who are hunting these people down and building up these offices around the country are insurrectionists.

01:41:21.000 They're on camera helping them.

01:41:23.000 It's only possible because they let them in.

01:41:24.000 Lock them up.

01:41:25.000 Let's take each and every one of those officers and put them in solitary. 0.83

01:41:29.000 Why not?

01:41:31.000 I'm down.

01:41:32.000 Why are we not asking the left for this?

01:41:35.000 They want to expand the Capitol Police to a national level?

01:41:38.000 Put them in Florida and California?

01:41:40.000 Okay, well then Joe Biden's an insurrectionist too.

01:41:42.000 Tim Pool talking about arresting cops.

01:41:44.000 He's a libertarian for sure.

01:41:46.000 Well, you gotta arrest anybody who breaks the law.

01:41:48.000 And if those cops are on camera facilitating an insurrection, oh heavens!

01:41:52.000 They should get 20 years, each and every one of them.

01:41:55.000 My point is this.

01:41:57.000 If the GOP actually went to those cops and said, because of what is going on with law enforcement, we are going to make sure that each and every one of you gets 20 years, J6 would be over.

01:42:08.000 I agree.

01:42:09.000 I mean, particularly because many of them did participate in a more sincere fashion than some of the people that are doing time right now.

01:42:16.000 If the police who helped facilitate J6 were facing decades in prison, the Democrats would be like, all right, all right, you got us.

01:42:23.000 They would drop charges on everybody.

01:42:25.000 I agree.

01:42:25.000 Yep.

01:42:26.000 And this is the problem with having a two-tier justice system is that ultimately there is no justice.

01:42:31.000 So we need to start advocating that these Capitol Police with these new release tapes get two decades in prison because what will happen is the likes of AOC, the Young Turks, will agree with us.

01:42:41.000 There will be a tremendous pressure on Democrats, Merrick Garland, to start indicting police officers, which he will not be able to do.

01:42:48.000 The police unions, the Capitol Police, they will lose it!

01:42:52.000 And then you're going to see a massive government institution say, ain't no way you're locking us up!

01:42:57.000 But uh-oh, the Democrats base and the right are unified on wanting that to happen.

01:43:04.000 The system will not allow those cops to get arrested.

01:43:06.000 My concern is that we have a real weaponized DOJ at this point, and once you get there, plus you have a real weaponized intelligence agency apparatus with both the FBI and the CIA, it's like, how do you put that genie back in the bottle?

01:43:20.000 I mean, this is the type of stuff that you saw in USSR days, you know? 0.99

01:43:24.000 And it doesn't go in a direction that is favorable to people that value walking freely at all, or eating adequately.

01:43:32.000 Like, this heads in a very, very dark direction, and I feel like people aren't really facing it.

01:43:35.000 We all, like, we look at it on the day-to-day, we kind of realize it's headed in the wrong direction, but we don't actually appreciate how precarious and how imminently dangerous all of this is.

01:43:45.000 And I'm not to freak people out, but it's like... No, they should be freaked out!

01:43:48.000 Yeah, they probably ought to be.

01:43:50.000 Yeah.

01:43:51.000 They should be freaked out.

01:43:53.000 Let's grab some more!

01:43:55.000 Barely a millennial says, the deep state and the left probably have dirt on every elected person, so nobody speaks up.

01:44:01.000 Or if they do, nothing happens. 0.99

01:44:02.000 Wouldn't want those skeletons flung out of the closet, cowards. 0.99

01:44:05.000 Oh, you know it. 0.96

01:44:06.000 This is how you know Thomas Massie has got to be one of the cleanest dudes on the planet.

01:44:10.000 Disagree.

01:44:11.000 He bent his knee so fast for Kevin McCarthy, I thought he was going to blow his ACL.

01:44:19.000 I can't argue that.

01:44:20.000 Yeah, he said he didn't want to see the- you're talking about when he said he didn't want the Speaker to be vacated?

01:44:24.000 Just because he saw what- he was the one who wanted Boehner to be vacated?

01:44:27.000 He yelled, the institution will fall!

01:44:29.000 It's like, oh, Kevin McCarthy?

01:44:30.000 Kevin McCarthy's blackmailing populist MAGA candidates.

01:44:34.000 There was a moment after- I would love to have a private conversation with him to find out.

01:44:39.000 Why did you have his back in that way?

01:44:40.000 It's bizarre.

01:44:41.000 There was a moment when there was no speaker.

01:44:43.000 It seemed like maybe all the Democrats were coming together with a few Republicans to put a Democrat as the speaker.

01:44:49.000 And I was like, oh, Hakeem Jeffries, I think.

01:44:51.000 And I was like, that's what Massey was afraid of.

01:44:54.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:44:55.000 You're correct.

01:44:56.000 But Cenk Uygur.

01:45:01.000 Was on the wrong side of this one.

01:45:04.000 Jimmy Dore was saying, when the same thing was happening with Democrats, when they took the House, challenge them, do not give Pelosi the speakership, unless they give you concessions.

01:45:14.000 And Cenk was like, no, the Republicans will get in and you'll get Kevin McCarthy, don't do it!

01:45:17.000 And that's just, it's not what happens.

01:45:19.000 There is not a single Republican who would sacrifice their career Over a vacant speakership. 0.99

01:45:26.000 These people are cowards. 1.00

01:45:27.000 Every single one of them. 1.00

01:45:29.000 Save, okay, to be fair, maybe a couple of them aren't.

01:45:31.000 A handful.

01:45:32.000 So what happens is, the Democrats go to them and say, don't you want to be a defector?

01:45:36.000 And the guy's like, here are my options.

01:45:38.000 I can say nothing and no one knows my name, or I can destroy my entire life and career and go home as an enemy of my own neighborhoods and my own district.

01:45:48.000 I'd rather just hide in the bushes.

01:45:50.000 Right.

01:45:51.000 So when it comes to the vote, most of these people are hiding in the bushes.

01:45:55.000 Until they finally got someone everyone was comfortable enough to stand behind and go, are you voting?

01:46:00.000 Are you voting for Mike Johnson?

01:46:02.000 I'm voting for Mike Johnson too!

01:46:04.000 Oh yeah, okay, alright!

01:46:06.000 What bothers me is that the narrative has been America first and that has been what really Trump and all of the new modern iteration of the Republicans I don't despise have rode into power on the back of has been the America first narrative, right? 0.96

01:46:21.000 But then, you oust McCarthy, who I agree is a total traitor and scumbag, but then you put in Mike Johnson, whose very first priority is funding for Israel. 0.89

01:46:33.000 And it's like, can I ever get someone who actually means it when they say America first? 0.98

01:46:38.000 Can I?

01:46:39.000 Is it possible?

01:46:40.000 But that's why they voted for him.

01:46:42.000 Because he probably went up and said, I'll tell you what, first thing I'll do, we fund Israel.

01:46:44.000 And they were like, okay, fine.

01:46:46.000 At least we got the J6 tapes.

01:46:48.000 He's better than McCarthy.

01:46:48.000 I agree he's better than McCarthy, but man, low bar.

01:46:52.000 Seriously.

01:46:54.000 Let's grab some more Super Jets!

01:46:57.000 Josh Fields says, I very rarely get to tune into the live shows and I listen to the podcast at work. 0.71

01:47:01.000 I'm sorry, the culture war today was ridiculous.

01:47:03.000 Scott just wouldn't stop talking and never answered any question.

01:47:05.000 I just couldn't finish it.

01:47:07.000 Well, I will say this, because I think Scott's a good dude.

01:47:11.000 We skated afterwards, we had a blast.

01:47:14.000 That was one of the challenges.

01:47:16.000 When the show started, people may have noticed this, Scott asked if he could do a 10 to 15 minute opening statement.

01:47:22.000 And I was like, well, it's entirely up to Will, who's debating to decide.

01:47:26.000 I mean, the problem is that you're going to say a bunch of things that will be challenged.

01:47:29.000 And if you just say them and you're asking no one debate you, I mean, this creates an issue.

01:47:33.000 And that actually came up a couple of times where it's like, You know, Scott would say, it's, it's, it's, I would call it an unintentional gish gallop. 1.00

01:47:41.000 I, I, I warned him of this before the show.

01:47:43.000 I said, are you familiar with the debate tactic gish gallop? 0.97

01:47:45.000 It's where you say as many things as possible at once, so your opponent can't respond to them.

01:47:50.000 And so, this is the trouble with saying five things, and then saying wait, and then changing the subject, and adding another thing, and saying wait, and then adding another thing, because now we have to stop, and then, you know, Will is trying to write it all down, and... But you know, it is what it is.

01:48:03.000 I thought it was a good show.

01:48:04.000 I thought it went well.

01:48:06.000 Let's grab some more Super Chats.

01:48:08.000 Where are we at?

01:48:11.000 Mike O'Hara says, should the kids recording the death of the kid getting jumped in Nevada be prosecuted?

01:48:15.000 The guy that recorded the death of Ahmed Arbery got prosecuted for not doing anything but recording the incident.

01:48:20.000 The answer is no.

01:48:21.000 He should be freed too.

01:48:22.000 Right, yeah, he shouldn't have been charged.

01:48:24.000 And I gotta tell you, man, this is the worst story ever because everyone's lying and it's coming from the right.

01:48:31.000 Here's the story of what happened to Jonathan Lewis in Nevada.

01:48:35.000 A group of kids stole headphones from another kid.

01:48:37.000 Jonathan and Louis tried to get the headphones back.

01:48:39.000 They refused.

01:48:41.000 A fight was arranged between Louis and this group behind the school in an alley.

01:48:46.000 When Jonathan Lewis went there demanding the headphones be returned, and they refused, he took a swing.

01:48:50.000 Jonathan Lewis swung at a kid.

01:48:53.000 As soon as he did, a group of about six or seven rushed in.

01:48:58.000 The total group you can see on camera that are beating him probably is between, you know, it's probably six or seven, it may be around six.

01:49:04.000 And I watched the video, I got the full clips where you can see Jonathan Lewis throwing the first punch.

01:49:10.000 Two of the kids are not black.

01:49:12.000 Three or four may have been black.

01:49:14.000 What did we get? 0.99

01:49:15.000 A guy tweeted that 15 black kids beat a white kid to death. 0.93

01:49:18.000 That is factually incorrect. 0.93

01:49:20.000 By all means, you can say the kid shouldn't have died.

01:49:22.000 By all means, you can say that Jonathan Lewis defending his friend was the good thing and the right thing to do.

01:49:25.000 You can say whatever you want about it.

01:49:26.000 I'm just telling you what happened.

01:49:27.000 Make up your own mind.

01:49:29.000 But that story really grinds my gears, because I still have people saying, 15 people beat him up!

01:49:35.000 I'm like, did you watch the video?

01:49:36.000 No?

01:49:36.000 Okay.

01:49:37.000 Well, watch the video.

01:49:38.000 There's two guys who are described as swarthy, meaning they could be Asian, they could be Middle Eastern, they could be Hispanic, we're not entirely sure.

01:49:48.000 It's a very grainy video.

01:49:49.000 Three or four of the attackers appear to be black.

01:49:53.000 Take for it what you will.

01:49:54.000 Right.

01:49:55.000 I'll probably lose some listeners over this one, but I gotta say it anyways.

01:50:00.000 I've been really disturbed, and look, let me start by saying, yes, there are crimes that are perpetrated against white people that don't go reported because that doesn't fall into the category of the victimhood hierarchy that people are talking about these days.

01:50:13.000 However, I don't like how You will have these viral videos of a one-off act that is perpetrated by a black person against a white person, and then you'll see just the reply segment is just filled with people that are like hardcore, you know? 0.67

01:50:30.000 I mean, white supremacist I think is a fair thing to say, but certainly abiding by the white grievance politics type of mindset, and I just think it's very unhealthy.

01:50:39.000 I'm not interested in going the opposite direction from black people are always oppressed and the white people are always the oppressor and now we're going to flip that and it's white people are oppressed and I don't want to go down this path.

01:50:50.000 And I think there are a lot of people that jumped on the 15 black kids beat a white kid to death story because it was... It fits that role. 0.93

01:50:57.000 Well we can attack the leftist narrative.

01:50:59.000 Exactly.

01:51:00.000 But the only problem is it falls apart.

01:51:02.000 And people on chat are asking where the info is.

01:51:05.000 Read the news.

01:51:05.000 I don't know, like Google search it and watch the video.

01:51:07.000 There's several videos.

01:51:08.000 The video that went viral on Twitter is a short clip that doesn't show you the fight starting.

01:51:12.000 The full video actually does exist and you can watch it.

01:51:15.000 And then you have conflicting statements.

01:51:18.000 And then the police issued their statement.

01:51:20.000 So, I'm not telling you who to blame, who is right, who is wrong, or whatever.

01:51:25.000 I'm telling you what the police and the news and several different sources, like between them, have stated.

01:51:31.000 And let me add one more point is that it's not at all empowering to start to get people that have your skin color to feel as if they're victims just because of how they were born.

01:51:41.000 I think that this is extraordinarily destructive to the black community and I think that if you take on that that belief system and you apply it to white people it's also destructive. 0.64

01:51:49.000 I would not advise it for either side and in fact come together if you could.

01:51:53.000 Thanks.

01:51:55.000 Jesse JFR says, I'm watching the same people that said punch a Nazi, say from the river to the sea.

01:52:01.000 That's a really funny, right?

01:52:03.000 That's a good one, that's a good one.

01:52:06.000 Paul Tascolo says, the contrarian intellectual libertarian shtick gets old fast. 0.98

01:52:09.000 I'm fine with being a silly American that hates Bin Laden. 0.97

01:52:12.000 You know you're inflicting pain and eliciting anger by defending Osama Bin Laden anyway. 0.99

01:52:16.000 What's the point?

01:52:17.000 Who's that for?

01:52:19.000 I assume he's talking to me.

01:52:20.000 I didn't defend Osama bin Laden. 0.91

01:52:22.000 If you actually listened to it, I was saying that his grievances are shared by many people that are not scumbag terrorists that live in the Middle East who have had their lives destroyed by the military-industrial complex of America.

01:52:33.000 That is a valid and reasonable claim that the American population ought to consider

01:52:39.000 given that we have been robbed blind to pay for the military apparatus that has destroyed

01:52:44.000 these people's lives.

01:52:45.000 I take that very personally, that my hard labor has been stolen from me to go destroy

01:52:51.000 innocent people's lives overseas.

01:52:53.000 If that doesn't disturb you, that's fine.

01:52:56.000 You're not like me.

01:52:57.000 I take it seriously.

01:52:58.000 And then let me also add, as I'm lecturing you, that just because I'm going to point

01:53:03.000 out the legitimate grievances that Osama bin Laden had in that letter does not mean that

01:53:07.000 he is justified in doing what he did on 9-11, which was one of the most egregious things

01:53:12.000 that any human being has ever done.

01:53:13.000 So, I don't know, walk and chew gum, homeboy.

01:53:16.000 All right, what do we have here?

01:53:20.000 Let's grab some superchats.

01:53:22.000 I got a Phil laugh out of that one.

01:53:26.000 Let's see, Pardaxilis says, Phil, it's already too late.

01:53:30.000 Imagine if there was a guy that died 2,000 years ago to rescue us from the perils coming.

01:53:36.000 So, uh, interesting, I guess.

01:53:38.000 Okay.

01:53:39.000 All right, here we go.

01:53:41.000 Jim Anson says, Clint, we dispatched Iranians in both Afghanistan and Iraq regularly, and their training is responsible for the... Emptied thread, is that what you're trying to say?

01:53:52.000 Is it a typo there?

01:53:53.000 I know they don't cover that in Finance World.

01:53:57.000 I don't follow what he said there, I'm sorry.

01:53:59.000 I think he's saying that there are Iranians in Afghanistan and Iraq.

01:54:04.000 Or that they dispatched them, either they killed them or they sent them off to do something.

01:54:12.000 I think it's a distinct possibility that there have been some Iranian people in the Middle East as we've been over there.

01:54:19.000 The better question is why have we had tens of thousands of American troops over 6,000 miles away?

01:54:25.000 The euphemisms over whether or not someone died, it's getting a little ridiculous.

01:54:29.000 Instead of saying dispatched or unalived, just go with shuffled them loose this mortal coil.

01:54:36.000 Simple.

01:54:37.000 That's very straightforward.

01:54:38.000 Very straightforward.

01:54:39.000 It fits in every YouTube title.

01:54:43.000 Where are we at?

01:54:44.000 The tech's vet says fringing the code wouldn't work.

01:54:47.000 If the code was the reason a company can't compete, then explain Parler.

01:54:51.000 It's monopolization and government interference, not the code.

01:54:54.000 Well, Parler couldn't compete.

01:54:56.000 Because the government set up a wrong job.

01:54:58.000 Also, it was a crappy piece of technology compared to Twitter, if that's what you're talking about.

01:55:02.000 What do you mean?

01:55:03.000 I don't know.

01:55:03.000 I didn't like it very much.

01:55:05.000 It's pretty bare bones.

01:55:06.000 How is it any different from Twitter?

01:55:09.000 Twitter had all the same functionality.

01:55:12.000 I don't know if that's necessarily true.

01:55:14.000 As far as anyone on the front end could tell, it was the same thing.

01:55:17.000 A government powerful enough to force a company to free its code is also a government powerful enough to put out of business every competitor to any particular singular business that they want to be in a monopoly position.

01:55:31.000 I reject that libertarian argument.

01:55:32.000 It's true.

01:55:33.000 A government that's powerful enough to lock a man up for murdering another person is a government that's powerful enough to lock up an innocent person and claim they murdered someone.

01:55:41.000 Yeah.

01:55:42.000 Okay, yeah.

01:55:43.000 Right, his argument doesn't follow.

01:55:44.000 It's like basically saying, like, we want the government to stop murderers, but oh no, then the government might arrest innocent people.

01:55:49.000 Okay, so we'll create a robust system that tries to preserve the rights of the innocent.

01:55:52.000 Okay, fair, but there's still a valid argument to be made that if you have a government, if you empower the government to strip their IP protection, right, you're saying that they have to free the code.

01:56:02.000 That's Ian's argument.

01:56:03.000 Well, then they also have the capacity to shut that company down if they don't.

01:56:08.000 Okay.

01:56:08.000 Yes.

01:56:08.000 Right.

01:56:09.000 So where does that lead?

01:56:10.000 It means that they get to choose winners and losers, which means that they could ultimately dictate who gets to be the dominant lead in any industry.

01:56:18.000 And so the issue with this argument is it implies corruption has nothing to do with the argument about whether or not we regulate.

01:56:23.000 So to say a government that can arrest a man for murder has the power to lock up its political opponents.

01:56:29.000 Sure does.

01:56:30.000 So do we just stop arresting people for murder?

01:56:32.000 Well, no, of course.

01:56:33.000 We just need to not have corruption.

01:56:36.000 Okay, but my argument is that both sides of it are bad, though.

01:56:40.000 If you're actually going to try and use, what's it called, antitrust protections to shut down some of these monopoly actors, it's totally fruitless.

01:56:51.000 They ultimately end up being in a, even if they get split up, they still end up being in a very dominant market position because they own the politicians that are dictating that separation from the get-go.

01:57:01.000 Yeah, I don't want to shut down the companies or break them up.

01:57:04.000 I want their code to be accessible to the common man.

01:57:07.000 So the government no longer has that kind of power and authority over what that network does because the network is now proliferated.

01:57:15.000 I mean, they could try and send out 600,000 cease and desist to 600,000 different Twitter clones, but You know, that's a lot more robust defense mechanism than having one of them.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, well, I mean the network effect is really why these social media companies prevail anyways, because so many people have accounts there, so it's not really the code, it's the fact that people are using the app, right?

01:57:37.000 It's a combination.

01:57:38.000 They're both very important.

01:57:39.000 Okay.

01:57:40.000 We got a good one that's important.

01:57:42.000 Marcus Aurelius says, my son was born a couple hours ago.

01:57:45.000 We are in the hospital watching Timcast.

01:57:47.000 Keep up the great work.

01:57:48.000 Marcus!

01:57:49.000 Reproduce, homeboy, let's go!

01:57:50.000 That kid's on a good path.

01:57:52.000 America!

01:57:53.000 Nice work, guys.

01:57:54.000 Congratulations.

01:57:54.000 Enjoy the evening.

01:57:57.000 Let's see what else we have in the old, uh, old superchats.

01:58:01.000 Spoonlicker says, if we end up stuck with a 4,000-page omnibus spending bill, someone needs to add a line to repeal the Patriot Act and dissolve the Department of Education.

01:58:08.000 I'm saying, is what I said when they wheeled out the 5,000-page omnibus and said everyone just approve it?

01:58:14.000 I'm like, can't someone just slide in, like, Trump 1 and just, like, put it right in the middle?

01:58:20.000 I'm like, ah, we got you!

01:58:21.000 That's how the Chinese do contracts, apparently. 0.69

01:58:23.000 When you send back red line stuff, they'll send stuff back and they won't show you what they changed.

01:58:27.000 They just expect that you're going to reread it every time.

01:58:30.000 I'm feeling very reflective thinking about someone who's watching this right now just had their first child be born and how beautiful that is.

01:58:39.000 It's just like such a cool thing.

01:58:40.000 Pay attention to your wife. 0.98

01:58:42.000 Yeah, yeah!

01:58:44.000 Close your phone, dude!

01:58:46.000 Go name your son!

01:58:47.000 Right.

01:58:48.000 As a total aside, just because, I don't know why I thought about this, I realized that every day we do a show where I'm in the thumbnail, I'm taking a picture every day like those people who do like a picture every day.

01:58:58.000 So you could theoretically take... I mean, how long have we been doing it this way?

01:59:02.000 I think we have only... Almost four.

01:59:04.000 A couple years.

01:59:05.000 Three and a half years.

01:59:06.000 No, but I mean only a couple hundred episodes have my face in them.

01:59:09.000 But that's probably like... Just keep doing it, man.

01:59:11.000 That's kind of crazy.

01:59:11.000 You're going to see me like it fatter and thinner.

01:59:14.000 Yeah, but I mean, that's all you'll see, though, because you're part Asian, so you won't age at all. 1.00

01:59:18.000 So it's going to be like, you know, kind of boring.

01:59:20.000 Well, the way the way we age is that we're totally the same until 70 and then turn into short shrimp.

01:59:24.000 Right.

01:59:25.000 That's pretty dope, though, that you get to like be exactly how you are at 35 or whatever to 70.

01:59:30.000 And then you just become... To be fair, though, that myth comes from So, you ever notice that in cartoons, when a guy gets, like, if a kid gets turned into an old person or whatever, their pants go way up?

01:59:43.000 Yeah.

01:59:43.000 It's because older people back in the day wore their pants higher.

01:59:46.000 Today, they still wear their pants higher.

01:59:48.000 Younger people wear their pants lower. 0.62

01:59:50.000 It's not that being old makes you pull your pants up.

01:59:52.000 It's just that the style of that day.

01:59:53.000 Yeah, Asians don't look normal, and then at 70 shrink, it's that 70-year-old Asians grew up in an era where they were shorter, and now the younger generation of Asians are aging more gracefully. 1.00

02:00:04.000 Ah, okay.

02:00:05.000 That's where that trope comes from.

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02:01:53.000 Clint, you've been on the show before.

02:01:53.000 I was just on last week.

02:01:54.000 It was great.

02:01:54.000 That was really chill.

02:01:55.000 Yeah, it was fun.

02:01:55.000 It was nice.

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02:02:05.000 This is the guy that figured it out.

02:02:06.000 It was really cool to talk to him.

02:02:08.000 And also, you were saying, don't subscribe to Tower Gang?

02:02:11.000 Don't.

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02:02:14.000 Don't.

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02:02:15.000 Right.

02:02:15.000 That was the first one thing I said.

02:02:17.000 Yep.

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02:02:24.000 What's happening, Serge?

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02:02:28.000 Get your audios off.

02:02:29.000 Make it rain, brother!

02:02:29.000 I don't know what's going on with the whole thing on Discord, but I think Colin has worked some situation out where we're going to be chatting with people that are on Discord.

02:02:36.000 So if you're not a member of Discord, please, like Tim said, become a member.

02:02:39.000 You can talk with us on the show.

02:02:41.000 And you can call on the shows during the week, normally Monday through Thursday.

02:02:45.000 That said, Make America Goth Again is a shirt that I'm wearing right now.

02:02:49.000 And you have a conspicuous lack of black lipstick for it to be talked about.

02:02:54.000 Right, right, right.

02:02:55.000 No eyeliner, no black nail polish.

02:02:57.000 Hey, hey, I said make it again.

02:02:59.000 Well, one more quick note.

02:03:01.000 Really, I'm going to implore the beautiful Timcast IRL audience.

02:03:04.000 Go to Liberty Lockdown on YouTube right now because the show is ending and you ain't got nothing to do.

02:03:08.000 There is no post show.

02:03:09.000 It's Friday night.

02:03:10.000 Go smash the subscrizzle, bizzle, home bizzle. 1.00

02:03:14.000 Subscribe to Liberty Lockdown.

02:03:16.000 Liberty Lockdown.

02:03:17.000 I will.

02:03:18.000 You should subscribe to Liberty Lockdown.

02:03:20.000 Do not subscribe to Tower Gang.

02:03:21.000 That's the difference.

02:03:22.000 Thank you.

02:03:22.000 Yeah, do not subscribe to Tower Gang.

02:03:23.000 We're out of here.

02:03:25.000 Alright.

02:03:25.000 Are we ready, Tim?

02:03:26.000 We'll see you all next week.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - November 18, 2023

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