Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Biden SLAMS "Ultra Maga" As MOST Extreme Group Ever w-Jon Schweppe & Allum Bokhari

00:00:00.000 Thanks to Joe Biden, Ultra MAGA is trending.

00:00:10.000 Joe Biden recently said that MAGA is the most extreme political organization in American history.

00:00:17.000 Subjectively false, because like, I don't know, the weather underground existed, but sure, whatever, the Trump supporters waving little American flags, that's what I'm worried about.

00:00:25.000 I'm sure the left will come out and be like, but the insurrection!

00:00:28.000 Okay, dude, sure, whatever, I'm not, I'm not even bothering with that.

00:00:31.000 No, Ultra MAGA, he calls it, the Ultra MAGA agenda.

00:00:34.000 Well, Joe Biden, back in, I think it was 1982, you voted to not.

00:00:41.000 I believe it was voting against Roe v. Wade.

00:00:43.000 So I wonder what that means about you, because if anything's changed in this country, it's not really been the right, except the right's actually moved leftward.

00:00:50.000 Conservatives are now like, okay with gay marriage to a certain degree, whereas they weren't 14 years ago.

00:00:56.000 I mean, 10 years ago, they weren't.

00:00:57.000 So if anything's happened in this country, everything's moved a little bit to the left.

00:01:01.000 So Joe Biden is absolutely wrong, but we'll talk about this.

00:01:03.000 We've got a bunch of other stuff too.

00:01:04.000 Will Chamberlain.

00:01:05.000 front of the show, produced a thread on who he thinks may have leaked the SCOTUS ruling from

00:01:11.000 the Supreme Court. And Derek Swalwell, essentially is threatening, you know, oh,

00:01:16.000 you're going to get sued or whatever. They're really getting triggered about this because I

00:01:19.000 think Will may have actually discovered something. And well, I don't want to say too much because

00:01:24.000 they're very litigious people. But Will makes the case that it's possible this person could be

00:01:29.000 somebody who leaked some information. We'll read through what he said and we'll be careful about it.

00:01:35.000 We've got a bunch of other stories.

00:01:37.000 Elon Musk.

00:01:37.000 We were originally going to leave with this one.

00:01:40.000 There's 26 leftist organizations calling for an advertiser boycott of Twitter if Elon Musk wants to change things.

00:01:47.000 So we've got this article talking about the Legion of Doom.

00:01:50.000 Elon Musk slammed this letter saying, who is funding this people?

00:01:55.000 Surprise, surprise.

00:01:56.000 One of the people is George Soros.

00:01:58.000 Joining us to talk about all this, we've got a couple different people.

00:02:01.000 Why don't you guys introduce yourselves?

00:02:02.000 You can start, Alan.

00:02:03.000 Hello, I'm Alan Bakari.

00:02:05.000 I'm the Senior Tech Correspondent for Breitbart News.

00:02:10.000 My job is to expose Silicon Valley and everything they're doing to manipulate your elections, take your speech away, and harvest your data.

00:02:20.000 I'm John Schweppe.

00:02:21.000 I'm the Policy Director at American Principles Project.

00:02:24.000 We're a conservative group in D.C.

00:02:26.000 and we also focus on big tech issues.

00:02:28.000 So Alam and I have had a lot of fun working together over the last few years.

00:02:32.000 Ian Croson, wild freak and hippie.

00:02:35.000 Also, I co-founded Mines, so I'm really down to get to brass tacks about the tech implications of what we're seeing here.

00:02:42.000 Great to have you guys.

00:02:43.000 And I know basically nothing about tech, so I'm very excited to learn about some of that tonight.

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00:03:49.000 It's time we discuss Ultramaga.

00:03:52.000 Oh, cool.

00:03:53.000 Joe Biden is warning about the Ultramaga agenda.

00:03:56.000 That really does sound like a Trump anime or manga.

00:04:01.000 You know, the Ultramaga, and they're like fighting.

00:04:03.000 They always end up making the right sound super cool.

00:04:07.000 First it was Deplorables, now it's Ultramaga.

00:04:12.000 Ultramaga.

00:04:14.000 What does it mean?

00:04:15.000 I don't know!

00:04:16.000 Does it mean it's awesome?

00:04:18.000 Trump.

00:04:18.000 Ultra?

00:04:19.000 Look, look, Joe Biden was talking about the Roe v. Wade thing. 0.99

00:04:23.000 He is insane. 1.00

00:04:24.000 He's an insane person. 1.00

00:04:25.000 OK, I just have to say that. 0.92

00:04:27.000 And you know, I always I'm always a little reluctant to say that because there's going

00:04:30.000 to be some, you know, red pill curious left leaning person who's like, I guess I'll check

00:04:36.000 out Tim cast IRL.

00:04:37.000 Then they hear something like that and they get scared and they run away and they're like, no, he's far right.

00:04:42.000 Okay, give me a second.

00:04:42.000 Let me just explain.

00:04:43.000 Let me try and break it down for you.

00:04:45.000 MAGA is the most extreme political organization in American history.

00:04:49.000 That's a quote from Joe Biden.

00:04:50.000 The weather underground was a thing.

00:04:52.000 They blew stuff up and killed people.

00:04:53.000 Okay.

00:04:55.000 Biden warned that after Roe v. Wade was struck down, conservatives might try to ban LGBTQ kids from classrooms.

00:05:02.000 Where did that come from?

00:05:03.000 He just made it up.

00:05:05.000 Just literally made that up.

00:05:06.000 That's not a thing.

00:05:08.000 That's not happening anywhere.

00:05:09.000 But you see, this is what happened.

00:05:11.000 Recently, Joe Biden was asked about Title 42.

00:05:14.000 And his response was, well, you got to get the scientists, you got to review it, you know, and then we'll appeal to the courts.

00:05:19.000 And it's like, wait, what?

00:05:21.000 Joe, are you talking about Are you talking about COVID or something?

00:05:26.000 We're talking about immigration.

00:05:27.000 He confused the mask mandate repeal with immigration.

00:05:32.000 The man is not well.

00:05:33.000 He is not able to articulate his thoughts.

00:05:35.000 This MAGA crowd is really the most extreme political organization that's existed in American history.

00:05:40.000 All right, I'd just like to make one point.

00:05:42.000 Joe Biden, in response to news that the Supreme Court voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, said that That MAGA is the most extreme political organization in American history.

00:05:54.000 And it is based upon overturning Roe v. Wade.

00:05:58.000 All right.

00:05:58.000 Here you go, Joe.

00:05:59.000 Biden changed position on Roe v. Wade.

00:06:02.000 In 1982, when Biden was a senator from Delaware, he voted to end Roe v. Wade under former President Ronald Reagan.

00:06:07.000 The administration was focused on ending abortion rights at the federal level.

00:06:10.000 An amendment was proposed to the Senate Judiciary Committee to allow individual states to overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:06:15.000 He said, I'm probably a victim or a product, you know, however you want to phrase it, of my background.

00:06:19.000 Citing his Catholic upbringing.

00:06:21.000 If anything's more extreme today, it's Joe Biden. 1.00

00:06:24.000 Who's a hypocrite. 0.99

00:06:26.000 No, look, the psychological thing, projection, right? 0.99

00:06:29.000 We talk about this all the time.

00:06:31.000 That's what's happening here.

00:06:33.000 Obviously, you know, you mentioned this, Tim, but MAGA, you know, in a lot of ways is left of where the Republican Party is 20 years ago.

00:06:39.000 I mean, 10 years ago.

00:06:42.000 You know, you look at like trade and things like that.

00:06:44.000 Those were issues where the Democrats were.

00:06:47.000 But Joe Biden and the Democratic Party, we're talking about abortion till the moment of birth.

00:06:51.000 We're talking about sex changes for kids.

00:06:53.000 We're talking about censoring free speech.

00:06:55.000 So I think when he says that Ultramaga, which is really cool, by the way, is the most dangerous political movement, I think the truth is that the Democrats are really threatening that.

00:07:05.000 The reason Biden is able to get away with this and the reason why a substantial number of people in the country will believe him is because of the media.

00:07:14.000 The media memory holes every single example of left-wing extremism and amplifies anything they can pin on Republicans.

00:07:24.000 So we'll always remember the trespassers at the Capitol.

00:07:29.000 But we won't remember the people who bombed the Capitol in the 1980s, the leftists linked to the weather on the ground, as you said, Tim.

00:07:38.000 Actually, there might have been another different left-wing extremist group.

00:07:41.000 Even I'm forgetting the details.

00:07:42.000 There's just so many of them.

00:07:43.000 Even I'm forgetting the details because the media just doesn't talk about these things ceaselessly.

00:07:48.000 Here's the issue, you know.

00:07:49.000 They come out and they're like, but there's so many far-right extremists!

00:07:53.000 And I'm like, there are many far-right extremists, sure, but do they have any institutional power?

00:07:57.000 Are the people who stormed into the Capitol on January 6th working at CNN or the New York Times, are any of those people, are they being supported and defended by CNN and the New York Times?

00:08:07.000 Oh, well, when Black Lives Matter and Antifa Mm-hmm. 0.95

00:08:10.000 it across this country in 2020 causing billions of dollars in damage and I think it resulted

00:08:15.000 in between 26 and 32 dead.

00:08:18.000 They were actively defended by the sitting vice president and president and the media

00:08:24.000 actively defended them.

00:08:25.000 My favorite is fiery but mostly peaceful.

00:08:28.000 So if I take issue with that, you know, and then you're like, but what about the insurrectionists?

00:08:33.000 And I'm like, oh, the people who are violent should go to prison.

00:08:35.000 But those people don't have any support from the major cultural institutions.

00:08:39.000 They don't work there.

00:08:40.000 You actually have active Antifa people at the New York Times.

00:08:44.000 Actively.

00:08:46.000 Okay, you don't have that with the mock people, but they're like, but they're police officers!

00:08:48.000 I'm like, dude, and what, like, Bumblehaven in Bufu?

00:08:53.000 Podunk?

00:08:54.000 Yeah, okay, I'm really worried about the podunk cop who drove a couple hundred miles and rioted.

00:08:58.000 Arrest the guy, put him in jail, fine, I get it, but that is not an institution that is going to harm my life.

00:09:03.000 And look at the difference here between the two parties, right?

00:09:06.000 The Republicans do everything they can to disavow the insurrectionists, disavow the far-right, you know, the alt-right people.

00:09:12.000 The Democrats create GoFundMes for bailout funds for the mostly peaceful protesters.

00:09:20.000 I pulled up this, the bombing you were talking about in the Capitol, 1980s, a far-left group called M19 bombed the Senate.

00:09:27.000 It was women, I think it was a group of women, but it was like a male, it wasn't all women, it was like, looks like four women and two guys, they call it like a Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard of M19 until tonight, so thanks for bringing that up.

00:09:38.000 Yeah, I think a lot of people haven't heard about it because whoever controls the history books, whoever controls the news, doesn't want us remembering it.

00:09:47.000 You know, we have an alternative news media now, which is great.

00:09:49.000 We probably need alternative history as well.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, they're a communist organization.

00:09:53.000 Well, and has everybody forgotten about Assata Shakur and her shootout on the Jersey Turnpike?

00:09:58.000 That was in, I want to say, the 70s.

00:09:59.000 I'm not sure exactly, but that's just another thing that they never, ever talk about.

00:10:03.000 Incredibly dangerous.

00:10:04.000 People literally died.

00:10:05.000 It's just not a big deal.

00:10:06.000 Yo, this is crazy.

00:10:06.000 Look, I pulled up M-19.

00:10:08.000 From 1982 to 1985, M-19's CEO committed a series of bombings, including bombings of the National War College, the Washington Navy Yard, Computing Center, the Israeli Aircraft Industries, New York City's South African Consulate, Wow.

00:10:22.000 The Washington Navy Yard Officers Club?

00:10:24.000 They got a whole bunch here, man.

00:10:26.000 But there's no way those guys are the most extremist movement in American history.

00:10:29.000 That's ultra-mega.

00:10:31.000 No, no, no.

00:10:31.000 Hold on.

00:10:32.000 Let's be honest and be real.

00:10:34.000 They didn't vote for Trump.

00:10:36.000 Everything else, it's bad.

00:10:38.000 It's bad, but it's not quite bad.

00:10:42.000 It becomes obvious as you learn how governments will use organizations as fall guys when it's time.

00:10:50.000 It's explosive, but mostly peaceful.

00:10:54.000 It's bad, but not ultra bad.

00:10:57.000 We even have recent examples.

00:10:58.000 I mean, that's from the 80s.

00:10:59.000 But do you guys remember the Family Research Council shooting?

00:11:02.000 That happened like six years ago, seven years ago.

00:11:04.000 No one talks about this, but they were targeted for being an anti-gay hate group.

00:11:08.000 And someone went in there with Chick-fil-A sandwiches, was planning to put Chick-fil-A sandwiches on the dead corpses of all the people that worked there.

00:11:14.000 This happened.

00:11:15.000 Wasn't that like the SPLC?

00:11:17.000 Yep.

00:11:17.000 The SPLC named them.

00:11:18.000 And then the group went after them.

00:11:20.000 I mean, you also had the Bernie guy who went and shot up the baseball game.

00:11:25.000 I don't think MAGA's an organization.

00:11:26.000 It means Make America Great Again.

00:11:28.000 It was a phrase that Donald Trump used.

00:11:30.000 You could say that people are rallying around and attempting to create some sort of organized movement based on Donald Trump, like a campaign.

00:11:37.000 But MAGA is just a statement that means Make America Great Again.

00:11:40.000 So I don't understand why he's trying to create a political movement out of that statement.

00:11:44.000 This is what's happening.

00:11:45.000 And I'll say it early, just for you, John.

00:11:49.000 Civil war.

00:11:50.000 Okay, now hold on.

00:11:52.000 I'll explain.

00:11:54.000 This leak from the initial draft in Scotus never happened before that a draft was leaked like this.

00:12:00.000 There was a meme post from some leftist guy that had like 20,000 retweets or some huge number.

00:12:05.000 And he was saying that his law professor told him this is an egregious violation of the court and the integrity of the court.

00:12:11.000 And he was like, I responded, taking away women's rights is a worse scandal.

00:12:16.000 And the professor said, I'm not talking about politics, I'm talking about for the courts and what they need to do.

00:12:22.000 And then the person responded, women are losing their rights across this country and you're worried about this. 1.00

00:12:26.000 And I'm just like, I don't look.

00:12:28.000 If the if the people who are supposed to be coming into the courts do not care for the process of law, the process of

00:12:36.000 justice, then you're going to have psychotic activists saying precedent law and the fabric of this nation doesn't

00:12:44.000 matter.

00:12:44.000 What matters is what I think is right.

00:12:47.000 So you get those kind of people in courts. 0.92

00:12:50.000 You're going to go into court and be like, I didn't break the law.

00:12:53.000 The law says I'm allowed free speech.

00:12:55.000 There's no law saying I can't say naughty words.

00:12:57.000 And he goes, I don't care.

00:12:59.000 Prison.

00:13:00.000 That's what you end up getting.

00:13:01.000 You get activist judges like who was it?

00:13:03.000 Was it?

00:13:05.000 Was it Sotomayor?

00:13:06.000 No, no, no.

00:13:07.000 Was it Kagan?

00:13:08.000 One of the Supreme Court justices who said that, uh, I don't understand why the federal... Sotomayor?

00:13:13.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Which is like, I don't understand why the states would have this power, not the federal government or something like that.

00:13:17.000 What?

00:13:18.000 And everyone was just like... Screams in 9th and 10th.

00:13:21.000 Yeah, right?

00:13:21.000 Yeah.

00:13:22.000 It's like, you're a Supreme Court justice and you don't know these things.

00:13:25.000 So I can rag, but I'll tell you what's happening to go back with why Joe Biden said MAGA is the most extreme.

00:13:32.000 If you put out an article or a rallying cry, That says Donald Trump is racist.

00:13:38.000 It will not work again.

00:13:39.000 You've got to up the ante. 0.98

00:13:41.000 So the next day, he's the worst racist. 0.92

00:13:43.000 You can't say that again. 0.95

00:13:44.000 You've got to up the ante.

00:13:45.000 The next day, you say, he's almost as bad as Hitler. 0.84

00:13:48.000 You can't say it again.

00:13:48.000 So the next day, he is as bad.

00:13:50.000 The next day, he's worse than.

00:13:53.000 You have to keep escalating it because people want that fix of anger and hatred.

00:13:57.000 And they need a reason to hate and be angry.

00:14:00.000 So Joe Biden comes out, and he needs a way to rile people up for the midterms.

00:14:06.000 The Roe v. Wade thing leaks, and he says, they're the most extreme organization in American history.

00:14:12.000 And you know what he's doing?

00:14:13.000 He's targeting 18-year-olds.

00:14:14.000 18-year-olds who don't know about the weather underground, who don't know about M19CO, who don't know about these bombings, who don't even know about Joe Biden.

00:14:23.000 Because we've had these leftists on the show and they're like, I don't know anything about Biden or his administration or what he did with Obama.

00:14:27.000 And I'm like, well, he blipped kids, but they don't know that.

00:14:30.000 He says it, they believe it.

00:14:32.000 M19?

00:14:32.000 I don't know nothing about no M19.

00:14:34.000 M19's CEO.

00:14:35.000 It's the May 19th communist organization.

00:14:38.000 So here's what's going to happen.

00:14:40.000 Right now, I think the one thing that's preventing just balls to the wall chaos and violence, boomers. 1.00

00:14:47.000 Boomers were 30 years old or so in the 90s, and they were the political faction that overlapped Democrat-Republican.

00:14:54.000 To this day, it is still mostly true.

00:14:57.000 We had a boomer on the show recently, we talked to her, and she didn't know anything about what was going on with our generation's politics.

00:15:02.000 When the boomers age out, retiring, exiting politics, and or passing on, that tether is gone, and you're going to have millennials who are very much at odds in the culture. 0.65

00:15:13.000 I mean, look at where we are compared to where the young Turks are, but it's all screaming at each other. 1.00

00:15:18.000 But we do have young people, and there are some older people involved, don't get me wrong, boomers are involved, but they're overtly fighting in the streets. 0.62

00:15:25.000 What happens when Gen Z and Gen Alpha are raised In a world dominated by millennial worldview, which is hyper-polarized, what happens when the next generation comes in, raised by millennials, millennials are going to have kids, Gen Z is going to have kids, and their kids are going to be raised in those ideologies, completely bifurcated politics in this country, that's when chaos happens.

00:15:47.000 The one thing that I think is missing from all of the discussions about escalation of violence and hyper-polarization in this country is how demographics shape what's going to happen in this country.

00:15:58.000 If in the 2000s, conservatives were having more kids than liberals, then by 2020, you would have a generation that was slightly more conservative.

00:16:06.000 Surprise, surprise.

00:16:07.000 We literally have that.

00:16:08.000 Only slightly, though.

00:16:10.000 The left doesn't have kids.

00:16:11.000 They have your kids.

00:16:12.000 So as long as they're in schools indoctrinating, now you've got millennial conservatives and, you know, zennial, I guess, necessarily Gen X, because they're a little older.

00:16:21.000 But people in their 40s and down to millennial are fighting in these schools and complaining about it.

00:16:25.000 You do have some boomers involved, some older generation stuff.

00:16:28.000 They're fighting about the indoctrination.

00:16:30.000 The indoctrination is likely going to stop because of the culture wars, or at least I believe it will.

00:16:36.000 The left is going to react revolt.

00:16:38.000 The one thing that may happen is if they can't indoctrinate conservative kids, then leftism just fizzles out because these people, I mean, let's be real.

00:16:46.000 They don't have kids.

00:16:47.000 If they get pregnant, they abort their babies. 0.99

00:16:49.000 And they are actually moving towards sterilizing, or at least permanently damaging the reproductive organs of their children.

00:16:56.000 Mathematically, it just stands to reason, 20 years from now, it's going to be 2 to 1 conservative in this country.

00:17:02.000 Yeah, but that's assuming that they don't have your kids. 1.00

00:17:05.000 That's the thing about horizontal gene translation.

00:17:07.000 There's vertical gene translation, which is parent to child.

00:17:09.000 Then there's horizontal, which is your environment changes your genetics.

00:17:13.000 And if you have enough kids getting brainwashed with TV where they're being told they're transgender, they're being told they're evil or wrong, they could very well become that. 0.99

00:17:21.000 Daily Wire.

00:17:21.000 Memes versus genes.

00:17:23.000 The entire education system is leftist.

00:17:26.000 And then you also have culture and people on social media telling you you have to be left just to be cool or else you get cancelled.

00:17:33.000 If you're an impressionable teenager you're going to respond to those things.

00:17:37.000 But not if you're a French teenager apparently.

00:17:40.000 One of the interesting things I've noticed from the recent French election was that The younger people in France tend to be more supportive of the right there, which is an interesting contrast with America.

00:17:50.000 I think that tracks exactly with what we're talking about.

00:17:57.000 In the 2000s, conservatives were having slightly more kids than liberals.

00:18:02.000 20 years, that means someone who was born in 2000, they're 22 years old.

00:18:07.000 They're voting.

00:18:08.000 And they're more likely to be conservative because conservatives had more kids.

00:18:12.000 That's it.

00:18:12.000 It doesn't matter if you win the culture war.

00:18:14.000 It doesn't matter if you've been effective in your persuasion.

00:18:19.000 To start, the most influential element is the parents.

00:18:22.000 That's why they're going for schools.

00:18:24.000 They need to cut the parents out because they know parents are more conservative than they are.

00:18:29.000 Right.

00:18:29.000 And I think the white pill in all this is we do seem to see a movement pushing back against this indoctrination.

00:18:34.000 I think that's what the Virginia governor's race last year was all about.

00:18:38.000 And, you know, the thing here that I see is that I don't really see when we talk about civil war, which is always a fun topic.

00:18:45.000 To me, it seems like conservatives won't ever be the instigators, but progressives, leftists, woke people will.

00:18:52.000 And so it's really critical, I think, for us to, you know, to take back power, to be willing to use the government to shut down some of these institutions that are trying to do this indoctrination to really go after them.

00:19:04.000 And so that's that's like one of the biggest debates on the right right now is like, are we going to continue to be this like small government party that lets schools do whatever they want to your kids?

00:19:13.000 Or are we going to take a more active role and say, no, absolutely not.

00:19:17.000 Parents should have some control over that. 0.89

00:19:18.000 Yeah, the meme works both directions, works in multiple directions.

00:19:22.000 You may have indoctrination towards one thing, but just this show, you listening to this right now, you are being indoctrinated.

00:19:29.000 This is the part of the conversation.

00:19:30.000 And if you want your kids to learn this kind of information, let them listen to this kind of conversation.

00:19:36.000 So we can heal the earth and we can heal our minds and our children's forethought proactively by exposing kids to good ideas.

00:19:46.000 And this is why, for me, it all comes back to internet censorship.

00:19:49.000 I think this is the most important issue for all of these culture war topics, because if you can't control the flow of information, then you can't indoctrinate people.

00:20:00.000 I remember being in college and hearing absolute nonsense from gender studies professors and thinking, that sounds a bit Weird.

00:20:09.000 I'm gonna go and look things up on the internet, see what the internet has to say about this particular debate about the social construction of gender, and then I'll find threads on 4chan and Reddit that broke it all down and explain to me that, yes, I was absolutely correct.

00:20:22.000 You are listening to nonsense right now.

00:20:24.000 Here's the fact.

00:20:24.000 Here's the data.

00:20:26.000 Yeah.

00:20:27.000 So it comes back to internet censorship.

00:20:29.000 This is why they're so fixated on it.

00:20:31.000 This is why they're so determined to stop Elon Musk bringing free speech back to Twitter.

00:20:36.000 If they can't control those choke points of information, the indoctrination machine completely collapses.

00:20:44.000 And as these left-wing institutions, you know, really beclown themselves, I think people are, the media, for example, you look, CNN's ratings, MSNBC's ratings, always going down, you know, some of these things.

00:20:55.000 I think people realize, OK, these institutions are bad.

00:20:58.000 But as Allam said, like, if you take away our ability to access information, take away our ability to go to the Daily Wire,

00:21:05.000 go to some of these other institutions to kind of counter this programming, 0.53

00:21:09.000 then people are going to say, well, I heard that Trump's a racist.

00:21:12.000 I guess that's true, because that's the only source that they saw.

00:21:15.000 Ah, they're losing.

00:21:17.000 I hear it more and more.

00:21:18.000 And you know, the craziest thing to me actually is having people say things like,

00:21:22.000 you know, I started watching your videos and then I kind of realized about all the lies.

00:21:25.000 And it's just, it's really fascinating because we have been doing this now for a little while.

00:21:29.000 But it's not just it's about, you know, Steven Crowder.

00:21:32.000 It's about even people like Jimmy Dore, you know, who's a leftist, but who are challenging the establishment.

00:21:37.000 It's about breaking points with Crystal and Sager.

00:21:40.000 These more and more people are rising up doing shows just saying no to the manipulation and the lies.

00:21:47.000 So it'll be fascinating when these institutions lose their power.

00:21:50.000 But let's talk about your article, Alan.

00:21:51.000 We have this story from Reitbart.

00:21:53.000 Legion of Doom.

00:21:54.000 26 leftist NGOs team up to stop Elon Musk from changing Twitter.

00:21:59.000 Alan, what's this all about?

00:22:01.000 So the left, as you all know, have been freaking out non-stop for the past two or three weeks because of Elon Musk, who calls himself a free speech absolutist, and his plans to bring free speech absolutism back to Twitter, which is the correct way of explaining it.

00:22:18.000 Free speech was originally an ideal of Twitter.

00:22:21.000 They changed that.

00:22:22.000 Elon Musk wants to take them back to their roots.

00:22:26.000 What is this?

00:22:26.000 And they can't let that happen because... Who's this alt guy?

00:22:29.000 I've never seen that guy before.

00:22:31.000 Who is he?

00:22:31.000 That's a good question.

00:22:32.000 He looks familiar.

00:22:34.000 Jack Dorsey?

00:22:36.000 Jack Dorsey, that's the old CEO of Twitter?

00:22:38.000 Jack Dorsey.

00:22:40.000 That's Trump's dad.

00:22:40.000 That is Jorge Soros.

00:22:41.000 Jorge Soros.

00:22:46.000 Wait, are we allowed to say that?

00:22:48.000 I thought that was, like, an anti-Semitic thing to even say his name out loud.

00:22:50.000 George Soros is allowed to be said, yeah.

00:22:52.000 Remember when, um, Newt Gingrich, I think it was?

00:22:54.000 Who was it?

00:22:54.000 They mentioned George Soros on Fox, and Fox was like, no.

00:22:58.000 And he was like, what?

00:22:59.000 He said George Soros was funding DAs.

00:23:00.000 Like, no, no, we don't talk about that.

00:23:03.000 And he was like, but he is.

00:23:04.000 Like, I don't understand.

00:23:06.000 Like, it's not a secret.

00:23:07.000 Yeah, so, so he's funding a lot of these organizations.

00:23:09.000 Is that what's going on?

00:23:11.000 He is.

00:23:11.000 So are some foreign governments.

00:23:13.000 What?

00:23:14.000 So some foreign governments are funding these organizations.

00:23:17.000 The government of Sweden, the government of Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands.

00:23:22.000 Foreign interference in our elections?

00:23:25.000 Indeed.

00:23:26.000 Heavens!

00:23:26.000 Foreign manipulation of social media.

00:23:28.000 I can't believe this. 0.99

00:23:29.000 There's no way the left would be that hypocritical. 0.98

00:23:31.000 Next you're gonna tell me that the left is advocating for using horse medicine to induce abortions. 0.99

00:23:36.000 Oh wait, they are!

00:23:38.000 You can't make it up.

00:23:39.000 I think people's obsession, maybe not obsession with nationalism, but like adherence to nationalism worries me because it's like, let's be realistic.

00:23:47.000 We're on a global stage now.

00:23:48.000 Everything is global.

00:23:49.000 There is no more, I mean, there is still a United States Constitution, but the United States is permeable.

00:23:54.000 Everything is here.

00:23:55.000 We're all interacting with each other at this point.

00:23:57.000 This is, this is literally what Jack Dorsey was saying on Rogan.

00:24:01.000 He was like, well, we're making rules for, I think it was actually Vijaya, we're making rules for our global community.

00:24:05.000 And I'm like, this is America!

00:24:07.000 This is America.

00:24:08.000 We got American law here.

00:24:09.000 You don't silence someone for some other country.

00:24:11.000 What are you talking about?

00:24:13.000 And that's all Elon Musk has said.

00:24:14.000 He said he wants free speech on Twitter to go as far as the law and no further.

00:24:20.000 That's a very reasonable position.

00:24:22.000 And he said people can change the law.

00:24:23.000 He's like, if they don't like it, they can change the law.

00:24:25.000 You can.

00:24:26.000 Well, you remember when there was a debate as to whether this acquisition would take place, Saudi Prince came out and said, you know, they had a huge stake in Twitter.

00:24:34.000 And they were like, absolutely not.

00:24:36.000 The reason is because they need to be able to censor their own citizens and their own citizens are using Twitter.

00:24:40.000 I love this.

00:24:41.000 Take a look at this.

00:24:41.000 The full list includes Free Press.

00:24:44.000 Ah, yes, the Free Press.

00:24:47.000 You may remember them from such campaigns like Stop People From Having Free Press.

00:24:51.000 Yeah.

00:24:52.000 What?

00:24:53.000 Is this FreePress.net?

00:24:54.000 Classic.

00:24:55.000 Is that who that is?

00:24:56.000 I think it's the same one.

00:24:57.000 Yeah.

00:24:57.000 Because I want to give a shout out to FreePress.net because I know some of the people who used to work there.

00:25:01.000 And I remember, you know, back during Occupy when they were very much like free press, free speech, until Donald Trump got elected.

00:25:08.000 And then they were like, we should ban speech.

00:25:10.000 And I remember talking to this guy and I was like, dude, how?

00:25:14.000 I had hung out with him.

00:25:15.000 And then a few months later, he was advocating for banning Alex Jones.

00:25:17.000 And then I was like, I thought you were the free press.

00:25:20.000 And he was like, but this is hate speech.

00:25:22.000 I'm like, when did you guys start deciding that certain things weren't free press anymore?

00:25:27.000 Like, I don't get it, dude.

00:25:29.000 I pulled up their organization on the Wayback Machine.

00:25:32.000 And it was like, we believe in free speech and the free press.

00:25:35.000 And then you look at some point, all of a sudden it's like, diversity and equity are our core values.

00:25:39.000 And I'm like, that's not free press.

00:25:40.000 You know, they lost it.

00:25:41.000 You go back and you look at the way the left and the liberals used to write about Twitter, used to write about social media.

00:25:48.000 They used to praise them for free speech.

00:25:50.000 They used to praise them for opening up communications, for democratizing the news.

00:25:55.000 Until Trump wins.

00:25:56.000 It's all great until Trump wins.

00:25:59.000 And they realized how much institutional power they have, and they realized, hey, you know, we can prevent Trump from winning again.

00:26:04.000 Let's exert it.

00:26:05.000 And now they're just full-blown left fascists.

00:26:07.000 I mean, that's just where they are.

00:26:08.000 They even used to praise data mining for elections.

00:26:12.000 There's this fantastic article.

00:26:13.000 Maybe we can pull it up.

00:26:14.000 You can probably Google it.

00:26:15.000 You'll find it.

00:26:16.000 It's called Obama, Facebook, and the Power of Friendship.

00:26:20.000 This is the way they were writing about the way Facebook data was used in 2012.

00:26:26.000 From The Guardian?

00:26:27.000 Yes.

00:26:28.000 Obama, Facebook, and the power of friendship.

00:26:31.000 The power of friendship.

00:26:32.000 The 2020 data election.

00:26:34.000 But then, Donald Trump did the same thing.

00:26:38.000 Actually, I don't even think he did.

00:26:39.000 I do think, because I read a lot about the Cambridge stuff.

00:26:42.000 Yeah, no, he did far less than this.

00:26:44.000 I think it's all BS.

00:26:45.000 Facebook gave the Obama campaign their entire social graph.

00:26:49.000 Like, Cambridge Analytica was nothing compared to what Facebook did in 2012.

00:26:53.000 And I think a lot of what I think they overhype what Cambridge was actually doing.

00:26:56.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:26:57.000 Absolutely.

00:26:58.000 Because like, they can't, you know, whatever, let them lose. 1.00

00:27:02.000 These are people who can't admit to themselves that they suck. 0.99

00:27:07.000 And so it's like they're at a party. 1.00

00:27:09.000 They've got, you know, dog crap all over their boots and no one will go near them. 0.97

00:27:13.000 And they're like, it's because I'm too cool. 0.99

00:27:15.000 You know, the real problem is Russia. 0.97

00:27:18.000 Russia is telling everybody not to hang out with me. 0.99

00:27:20.000 Dude, Russia is so lame. 0.95

00:27:21.000 That's what they're doing. 1.00

00:27:22.000 It's like, no, you suck. 1.00

00:27:24.000 Hillary was terrible. 1.00

00:27:25.000 Why would you run Hillary Clinton? 0.99

00:27:28.000 And they did.

00:27:29.000 And it's funny because, yo, if they picked literally anybody else, Trump would not have won.

00:27:33.000 Like, they went with one of the least popular persons.

00:27:36.000 Yeah, Bernie Sanders would have beat him for sure.

00:27:38.000 I definitely think Bernie Sanders would have won.

00:27:40.000 But I think they could have found, like, you could have taken any moderate Democrat.

00:27:45.000 Joe Biden probably would have beat him.

00:27:47.000 That's true.

00:27:47.000 But I guess because of his son is why he didn't run.

00:27:49.000 They had planned for Joe Biden to run.

00:27:51.000 Hillary was just next in line. 0.99

00:27:54.000 She was gonna get it.

00:27:55.000 She was not gonna have it.

00:27:56.000 That's very regime-like.

00:27:58.000 Anyone who got in her way, you know, That's crazy.

00:28:01.000 Metaphorically.

00:28:02.000 Metaphorically, of course.

00:28:03.000 The DNC just chooses the candidate.

00:28:05.000 Like, that's really crazy.

00:28:06.000 Yeah, the superdelegates and all that.

00:28:08.000 I mean, that's what they did.

00:28:09.000 Did you guys see the meme?

00:28:10.000 The Twitter account?

00:28:11.000 Roe v. Wade says, I have information that will lead to the arrest and prosecution of Hillary Clinton.

00:28:16.000 The sky is not blue.

00:28:17.000 Anything gets cancelled, shutdown ends, like a burger shop can go out of business and someone

00:28:21.000 will make a meme about Hillary Clinton.

00:28:22.000 I think what gets me about this, and I'm trying to see that point of view, the other point

00:28:27.000 of view here, is that Trump can go on stage and be like, the sky is not blue, the sky

00:28:32.000 is red, I heard the sky is red, and then a bunch of people will go online and they'll

00:28:36.000 be like, the sky actually is red.

00:28:39.000 And people will be like, okay, there are such things as cult worshippers that believe anything, even if it's not real, when they hear it from their cultist.

00:28:46.000 So people are afraid of that, and they want to censor it.

00:28:49.000 I think of it backwards.

00:28:50.000 I think he's a very powerful speaker and people believe him at his word.

00:28:53.000 Donald Trump reads a story about some potential medications that was published in TechCrunch.

00:28:59.000 Because I know, because I read the news.

00:29:01.000 Two days later, Donald Trump goes, did you hear the news about this thing?

00:29:05.000 It sounds very great.

00:29:06.000 There's a medication.

00:29:07.000 We're very excited for this.

00:29:09.000 And then the media all of a sudden flips and is like, no, it's all bad.

00:29:12.000 Donald Trump is dangerous.

00:29:13.000 And I'm like, But you reported on these studies!

00:29:16.000 Donald Trump had a tendency of watching cable TV, putting too much stock in these institutional news outlets, because he kept giving them interviews, believing them, but then the next day they'd be like, uh, actually, that thing we said yesterday is gone.

00:29:27.000 Here's a good example.

00:29:28.000 Politico reported.

00:29:30.000 that Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election.

00:29:33.000 And then when Donald Trump and Trump's supporters are complaining about it, Politico then reported

00:29:38.000 that Ukraine did not meddle in the, I'm like, have you retracted the initial report yet?

00:29:43.000 No. Okay. You know what, man?

00:29:45.000 And so that's actually, you know, to your point, I think what's happening in reverse,

00:29:49.000 we can point this out that Politico, you know, basically made something up.

00:29:54.000 And we're able to do that in the digital public square and correct people and help them come to the truth.

00:29:58.000 And so with your point, if this was a good faith argument that they were making.

00:30:02.000 It's an overreaction.

00:30:02.000 better for them to say the sky is red out in the public square because we'll be able to correct them and guide them

00:30:07.000 to Where the truth is unfortunately what they're doing is

00:30:10.000 there's they're suppressing it and so you're gonna have two Americas. Yeah, it's not where it's over reaction

00:30:15.000 Let's just let's just Because I know there are many people who want to share this

00:30:21.000 show and share the show with people who are not Initiated in the past several years of politics. Here is an

00:30:27.000 article from Politico in January of 2017 from Ken Vogel and David Stern Ukrainian

00:30:33.000 efforts to sabotage Trump backfire Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office.

00:30:42.000 They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.

00:30:50.000 And they helped Clinton allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisors, a Politico investigation found.

00:30:57.000 They never retracted this.

00:30:58.000 This is damning evidence.

00:30:59.000 This is a story that came out right after the election that is still there, that has never been retracted.

00:31:06.000 But yes, Politico and every other outlet came out.

00:31:09.000 My favorite moment, shout out David Pakman, when he did a segment about Meet the Press, asking Ted Cruz, do you think Ukraine meddled in the election?

00:31:18.000 And Ted's like, it was reported by Politico and like NBC.

00:31:22.000 And then a guy in the background starts laughing.

00:31:24.000 So, like, it's super unprofessional.

00:31:27.000 And Pacman is like, wow, they're laughing at him.

00:31:29.000 And I'm like, David, did you Google the story?

00:31:32.000 They don't do it.

00:31:33.000 They live in crackpot fake news reality, where I can at least say this.

00:31:38.000 Maybe Ukraine did not meddle in the election.

00:31:40.000 Maybe!

00:31:41.000 But Politico's report, both they did and they didn't.

00:31:43.000 So you tell me what's true.

00:31:45.000 I bet they all did.

00:31:46.000 At this point, it's a global game and the United States is the leader.

00:31:49.000 So everyone involved, everyone's involved that possibly can be.

00:31:52.000 But it's good if there's global meddling to help the Democrats.

00:31:55.000 It's only bad if it helps the Republicans.

00:31:58.000 I mean, that's their perspective.

00:31:59.000 Like, honestly.

00:31:59.000 One thing that irks me about what you just said, Tim, is that you said, did they Google it?

00:32:03.000 And we're talking about censorship and who controls the gateway of what you can see at Google.

00:32:07.000 So like, did you Google it?

00:32:08.000 Does it even matter if Google can decide what's going to be on the Google search results?

00:32:12.000 I don't like using Google as a verb.

00:32:13.000 Think of it as a company that has a search algorithm that is very hidden from view.

00:32:18.000 I use Brave as my search.

00:32:19.000 Well, the fact is that people don't do the barest amount of research before they talk about anything, including this.

00:32:24.000 If someone like David Pakman can just be like, oh my gosh, you're laughing at him, that must mean it's crazy, right?

00:32:29.000 No, it's actually not.

00:32:30.000 And if you looked into it, you'd know it.

00:32:31.000 It's like one of the first things you see.

00:32:33.000 To wrap up what I was saying, Trump will say something, whether it's true or not, people and then people may or may not believe it.

00:32:38.000 They're afraid that the cultists will believe him at face value, and that's dangerous.

00:32:41.000 So they try and suppress it.

00:32:42.000 But I think also that there's like, Trump wasn't part of the liberal economic order.

00:32:47.000 He didn't want American military supremacy all over the earth and they didn't like that.

00:32:50.000 So now they're going far beyond like, hey, this guy's dangerously corrupting people too.

00:32:54.000 This guy's impeding our agenda.

00:32:57.000 So let's make sure that we smash him in the press.

00:33:01.000 That's the vibe I'm getting from it. 0.67

00:33:03.000 And I'm tired of it.

00:33:05.000 So we're building decentralized free software, which will be AGPL, where you can run your own network and have your own server and interact with other people using the software, try and bypass this stuff.

00:33:14.000 I'm still concerned with Verizon having ISPs and things like that.

00:33:18.000 We've got to figure out a way to like use decentralized tech, like Noster, N-O-S-T-E-R, stuff like that, where we don't need an internet to interact with each other.

00:33:25.000 It's all meshed web.

00:33:26.000 Look at this.

00:33:27.000 Look at this.

00:33:27.000 Politico.

00:33:28.000 Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, when Russian disinformation met a Trump obsession, the Kremlin may have been laying the groundwork for blaming Ukraine for 2016 as early as 2015. 0.90

00:33:38.000 What are you crazy?

00:33:39.000 Three weeks after Election Day 2016, the Kremlin officially floated a theory that would ultimately lead to only the third presidential impeachment in US history. 0.53

00:33:47.000 Ukraine seriously complicated the work of Trump's election by planting information,

00:33:50.000 aimed at damaging his campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a spokesman for Russia's foreign ministry,

00:33:55.000 told reporters on November 30th, 2016, accusing the Ukrainian government of scheming

00:34:00.000 to help elect Hillary Clinton.

00:34:01.000 This is the Euro, my Dan.

00:34:03.000 Just fascinating. Just so fascinating that Politico reported that Politico was Russian disinformation.

00:34:09.000 Okay.

00:34:11.000 Okay, so look, I'll say this.

00:34:12.000 Maybe it is.

00:34:13.000 Maybe Politico really is Russian disinformation.

00:34:15.000 Good job, Politico.

00:34:16.000 Why did you not retract the initial article then?

00:34:19.000 If you're gonna publish a story claiming it was Russian disinformation that Ukraine meddled, retract your own story and apologize.

00:34:26.000 You are fake news.

00:34:28.000 Fake news.

00:34:30.000 This is also concerning because there was the government, basically there's a revolution in the Ukraine in 2014, you know, that, uh, I don't know if the CIA was involved in it, but that's what I, I've heard that a bunch.

00:34:39.000 I can't verify.

00:34:41.000 100% backed by Western, uh, Western intelligence.

00:34:45.000 Like I don't think that's even in dispute anymore.

00:34:48.000 And so if that's the government that was meddling to keep Trump out of office, it doesn't surprise me.

00:34:52.000 My thing about the whole Ukraine war right now is the U.S.

00:34:55.000 and the West was using soft power to win over Ukraine.

00:34:58.000 That's what they were doing.

00:35:00.000 It's better than kinetic warfare.

00:35:02.000 Russia is being terrible at what they do and not understanding how to compete in 4th and 5th generational warfare, decides to just go with bombs and tanks, killing people and destroying a country. 0.63

00:35:12.000 I don't like what the U.S.

00:35:13.000 was doing when they do these manipulation campaigns, but I think the reality of the world is that everything is influence-peddling.

00:35:20.000 China's going for the, you know, was it the Belt and Road Initiative or whatever?

00:35:23.000 They're going and they're offering money.

00:35:25.000 The U.S.

00:35:25.000 going to Ukraine and being like, we're going to give you a billion dollars, we're going to give you all this stuff, get us what we want.

00:35:29.000 I'm like, okay, welcome to global politics.

00:35:31.000 Joe Biden going in and being like, fire the prosecutor or you're not getting the billion dollars, Joe Biden should be in prison for that.

00:35:38.000 But, you know, I think Russia's wrong. 0.98

00:35:40.000 It seems like the liberal economic order is the Borg and that the Russian Federation is the Klingons. 0.94

00:35:46.000 Like they're just brute brute force.

00:35:48.000 Yeah, the Russian soft power like really is pitiful compared to the U.S. 0.90

00:35:52.000 All these myths about, you know, the KGB and their, you know, insane covert abilities.

00:35:59.000 I mean, they weren't able to stop a coup happening on a country right in their border.

00:36:05.000 U.S.

00:36:05.000 soft power really is unparalleled.

00:36:08.000 Even compared to China's I would say, although China's catching up. 0.93

00:36:10.000 It's tough because I don't like war. I don't like conflict and violence and bombs and nukes and all

00:36:18.000 that stuff. But if the line is that the US goes to countries and they're like, we're going to give

00:36:23.000 you a bunch of money to side with us, I'm like, isn't that better in terms of global interests

00:36:28.000 to at least sort of...

00:36:30.000 Here's the thing with Ukraine though, you're kind of asking for trouble if you do that to a country on the borders of a great power.

00:36:34.000 They come in and they offer money and then it but if you say no, that's when the problem begins

00:36:38.000 Cuz then they're like, okay Jackals, here's the thing with Ukraine though 1.00

00:36:43.000 You kind of asking for trouble if you do that to a country on the borders of a great power

00:36:48.000 Estonia and Latvia are NATO countries on the border of Russia

00:36:50.000 I think the issue is that Russia needs the warm water port with with Crimea

00:36:55.000 And so that's a big issue for Russia.

00:36:58.000 The U.S.

00:36:59.000 is encroaching, and I think Russia is one of the next dominoes to fall. 0.98

00:37:02.000 So Russia probably tolerated Estonia and Latvia.

00:37:05.000 With Ukraine, they were like, Ukraine goes. 0.97

00:37:07.000 In 20 years, we go.

00:37:09.000 You take a look at what happened with those Instagrammers from Russia crying, no, don't ban me!

00:37:14.000 Russia already lost the culture war. 0.83

00:37:16.000 Or I should say they're losing it and now they're trying to reverse it.

00:37:18.000 But man, are they late.

00:37:20.000 Their children were being indoctrinated by Western social media.

00:37:24.000 And so they were freaking out when Russia declared this war.

00:37:27.000 I'm telling you, man, the difference between boomers and even millennials and down, this gap in internet usage, People like Putin and his advisors, his top military guys, they don't understand the cultural and mental worldview difference they have from their kids because their kids weren't raised by them.

00:37:44.000 Their kids were raised by the internet and they were being raised by Facebook, Face CIA book as the activists like to call it.

00:37:51.000 So what happens after Vladimir Putin ages out as it were?

00:37:54.000 You can't spell facial without CIA.

00:37:57.000 This is one of the big reasons why the establishment was praising Facebook and Twitter and social media for their free speech before Trump.

00:38:06.000 There was a chap who worked in the Trump administration, an appointee, I won't name him, who said...

00:38:15.000 That's what I'm wondering.

00:38:16.000 foreign policy part of the deep state very closely. He said the U.S.

00:38:21.000 establishment, the defense establishment, liked social media because it helped

00:38:24.000 them do regime change abroad. But then with 2016 and Brexit they realized, oh no,

00:38:29.000 can regime change the rest?

00:38:32.000 That's what I'm wondering. It's like we're in an avalanche, this whole

00:38:35.000 globalizing internet culture and how, what are we, we can't stop the avalanche.

00:38:41.000 I mean, I can't fathom that.

00:38:42.000 So we just gotta ski the avalanche.

00:38:44.000 I mean, at this point, build technology like open source free software.

00:38:47.000 And it's hard even for companies like Google and Twitter and Facebook to do it, because these were all started as open platforms.

00:38:55.000 So you still can find articles and your videos debunking this Politico stuff with enough creative Google searches.

00:39:01.000 You could find it on Twitter going viral.

00:39:05.000 They haven't been able to censor these platforms completely because these platforms were not made to be censored.

00:39:10.000 Which, by the way, is why the left is furious with them.

00:39:13.000 I mean, the left wants total control here.

00:39:15.000 That's where, you know, as much from the right, we see big tech as being censorious and terrible and all that, and they have been.

00:39:21.000 The left wants them to double down, triple down.

00:39:24.000 I mean, it's absolutely insane.

00:39:26.000 I mean, you know, my entire job is exposing big tech, but if we're talking about the regime, big tech is not entirely a reluctant partner, but they were pressured into it to a large degree by external forces, especially the media.

00:39:45.000 And this is why we see these 26 organizations coming and saying we need an advertiser boycott of Twitter, because that's their leverage over the tech companies, ultimately.

00:39:52.000 That's how they get them to do things.

00:39:53.000 Yeah, you know what?

00:39:54.000 Elon Musk was trying to get away from ads anyway.

00:39:56.000 He knows exactly what he's doing.

00:39:58.000 He's thought about this.

00:39:59.000 He wants to do a subscription membership model.

00:40:01.000 He wants to charge for premium access, and I think it's a brilliant idea.

00:40:05.000 And I'll be totally honest.

00:40:07.000 Uh, I got a lot of followers on Twitter.

00:40:09.000 If they came to me and said, we've got a premium suite, I'd be like, done.

00:40:13.000 Show me like, show me data on, uh, there's like, there's the analytics sucks for Twitter.

00:40:19.000 Give me like a premium analytics suite.

00:40:22.000 I don't, I don't care about Twitter.

00:40:23.000 Because you can't use it the way you can use, say, YouTube.

00:40:26.000 YouTube tells me, here's how many people watched your video in the first hour.

00:40:29.000 Here's how many people, like, how long they watched your first video.

00:40:32.000 And I'm like, oh, okay.

00:40:33.000 So here's what they like and here's what they don't like.

00:40:34.000 Twitter is like, say something and cross your fingers!

00:40:38.000 If they actually came out and said, for X amount of dollars, we'll do this for you, I think they should be verifying everybody.

00:40:44.000 I think, you know, I guess Elon Musk said he wants, what, like, two bucks per month for Twitter Blue, and then they'll verify you, your identity and all that stuff.

00:40:51.000 Not everyone has to be identified.

00:40:53.000 Not everybody has to be verified.

00:40:55.000 People will still be able to use it for free.

00:40:57.000 And I'm like, I think he's got a good plan for this.

00:40:59.000 And he's so smart.

00:41:00.000 I mean, I know he made comments about this isn't about economics, which is great.

00:41:04.000 Like, I'm glad that he's doing this for free speech, but he's too smart for that.

00:41:08.000 Like, he knows that he paid $44 billion.

00:41:11.000 He's got Web 3 ideas.

00:41:13.000 He's got decentralization ideas.

00:41:15.000 He's got all sorts of things.

00:41:17.000 I'm sure he will turn this into a trillion dollar company.

00:41:19.000 I would bet everything.

00:41:20.000 I'm not sure he has Web 3 ideas.

00:41:22.000 He constantly dunks on Web 3 projects, which to be fair, a lot of them are a bit bad.

00:41:31.000 Shout out to Hive and the recovery of the Steam network.

00:41:33.000 I think Elon in this situation is a student.

00:41:35.000 He's been the master at all his other companies because he started them.

00:41:38.000 This one he bought.

00:41:39.000 So he's here to learn.

00:41:40.000 How cool would it be if after Elon buys Twitter, one day everyone wakes up and when they log in, they just see when

00:41:47.000 they log into their account, it's just GeoCities.

00:41:49.000 And there's like, just like the banana guy, the peanut butter jelly time, you know, GIFs and all that stuff.

00:41:55.000 And people are like, wait, what's going on?

00:41:56.000 And Elon's like, the Internet was better back when we just did it this way.

00:41:59.000 So now Twitter is this.

00:42:01.000 And it's like, just.

00:42:01.000 You're reminding me of YTMNDs.

00:42:04.000 Remember those?

00:42:05.000 I remember those.

00:42:07.000 Those were 4chan before 4chan.

00:42:09.000 That was amazing.

00:42:10.000 You guys ever go on Newgrounds?

00:42:12.000 Oh yeah.

00:42:12.000 Back in the day.

00:42:13.000 That's crazy.

00:42:13.000 Newgrounds.com, for those that don't know, was YouTube before YouTube existed.

00:42:17.000 And they missed the train.

00:42:19.000 Big time.

00:42:20.000 Yeah, they had Flash video.

00:42:21.000 Because they were cartoon oriented.

00:42:23.000 And so what happened was... I could be totally wrong about this.

00:42:27.000 I was on Newgrounds every day looking at every new submission.

00:42:31.000 These were people uploading cartoons.

00:42:32.000 I used to do Flash animation stuff.

00:42:35.000 And then I remember when YouTube came around and then all of a sudden the animators started putting their stuff on YouTube because it was just easy and fast.

00:42:43.000 Newgrounds could have done video.

00:42:44.000 In fact, they had some video sometimes, but I guess they thought, no, no, no, we're an animator community, so we're gonna stick to that, and then everyone migrated their animations to YouTube, and that was... And they probably thought they were so big they didn't see the threat coming.

00:42:58.000 But the crazy thing is, they were so big, but nowhere near as big as YouTube came to be.

00:43:05.000 Do you remember the Ultimate Showdown? 0.96

00:43:07.000 I was nine, I thought that was the funniest shit ever. 0.91

00:43:10.000 Imagine if right now we were streaming, not on YouTube, but on Newgrounds. 0.98

00:43:14.000 Because they had Flash Player, they could have done video.

00:43:18.000 Imagine if they built out that infrastructure.

00:43:20.000 We'd be in a very different place.

00:43:21.000 I wonder what they would do, because a lot of the content they posted is just adult humor.

00:43:27.000 Like, not for kids.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, good website.

00:43:29.000 Could you comment on videos on Newgrounds?

00:43:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

00:43:32.000 YouTube had those video responses, which really enlivened the community before Google bought them.

00:43:36.000 I wonder if Google was planning on buying them before that, or if they were like, whoa, there's a community here, and we want to build communities, so we're going to buy it.

00:43:42.000 But they bought it for a billion, and YouTube was dying, was like, they couldn't pay for their infrastructure, so they had to sell the company.

00:43:49.000 That's what it came to.

00:43:50.000 Let's talk about what's going on with Will Chamberlain, because as we talk about our cultural decay and our institutional collapse, Will Chamberlain has tweeted out a law clerk by the name of Elizabeth Deutsch.

00:44:01.000 He says, in his humble opinion, she's the most likely person to have leaked the draft Supreme Court opinion in Dobbs, purporting to overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:44:10.000 He says, a disclaimer, I have no inside information.

00:44:12.000 This thread is speculation based almost entirely on publicly available information.

00:44:16.000 I could easily be wrong. 0.99

00:44:18.000 Now, Apparently he's being threatened that he's gonna get sued over this, which is just laughably stupid. 0.99

00:44:24.000 Elizabeth Deutsch is arguably not a public figure, but guess what? 0.98

00:44:28.000 People can become public figures!

00:44:31.000 Whoa.

00:44:32.000 Now, Will prefaces he doesn't know for sure.

00:44:35.000 It's a speculation, and you're allowed to speculate.

00:44:38.000 And Will is also a lawyer, so I think he knows what he's doing.

00:44:41.000 But I think this is a really interesting thread because of how the reaction has been.

00:44:45.000 Let me see if I have this one from Eric Swalwell.

00:44:47.000 Eric Swalwell, you know him, you love him, he farted on TV.

00:44:50.000 He said, Under Supreme Court law, as a public figure, I take a lot of defamatory attacks because Barr is too high to sue.

00:44:56.000 Ms.

00:44:56.000 Deutch is not a public figure and would likely have a strong defamation case against Will Chamberlain.

00:45:01.000 Republicans are bullies, but they always back down when challenged.

00:45:04.000 Ron Coleman says, You are not scaring anyone, but you are getting some of us pretty excited.

00:45:10.000 And then it's Elmer Fudd saying, I love civil litigation.

00:45:13.000 Okay, okay.

00:45:15.000 So here's the gist.

00:45:16.000 I'll just give you the simple version.

00:45:18.000 She is, according to this thread from Will, she's a reproductive rights activist. 0.99

00:45:24.000 Is that how they call it?

00:45:27.000 Her academic background isn't uncommon.

00:45:29.000 He says things get interesting.

00:45:30.000 Every law student has to write a note, a long legal research paper, making a novel argument about a law.

00:45:36.000 Hers is about reproductive rights and abortion. 0.71

00:45:39.000 She argued that Obamacare's non-discrimination provision should be interpreted to force Catholic hospitals to perform emergency abortions.

00:45:45.000 Aggressive argument, but hey, law students are aggressive.

00:45:48.000 He says while in law school, she wrote a New York Times op-ed about reproductive rights. 0.81

00:45:52.000 Her career page on LinkedIn doesn't reveal that much until we dig a little further.

00:45:56.000 Thanks to her New York Times wedding announcement, of course, we know that she clerked for Judge Nina Pillard. 0.98

00:46:01.000 Pillard was one of the D.C.

00:46:02.000 Circuit judges appointed by Obama and forced through by Harry Reid, blowing up the filibuster.

00:46:06.000 She's stridently pro-choice, perhaps not shocking.

00:46:09.000 After her clerkships, she got a Gruber Fellowship at the ACLU for a full year, working on abortion and reproductive rights.

00:46:16.000 None of this proves anything.

00:46:17.000 Deutsche's career seems pretty focused on abortion, but without some connection to Josh Gerstein, the journalist who received the leak, there would be no reason to suspect her.

00:46:25.000 Let's go back to that New York Times wedding announcement.

00:46:27.000 The bride and groom she met at Yale?

00:46:28.000 She is a lawyer, he is a journalist.

00:46:31.000 Isaac Arnsdorf just got hired by the Washington Post as a national political reporter.

00:46:35.000 Of course, he's on the Trump beat.

00:46:38.000 But where has he written in the past?

00:46:39.000 Politico, sharing a byline with Josh Gerstein.

00:46:42.000 So that's the connection.

00:46:44.000 Looks like Gerstein and they are still bros, chatting on Twitter, interacting as recently as last year.

00:46:48.000 To conclude, we have a currently sitting Supreme Court law clerk whose career has been almost solely focused on abortion.

00:46:53.000 She wrote her law school note on abortion, she wrote op-eds about reproductive rights, spent a year working on abortion at the ACLU, clerked for a pro-choice judge, and it just so happens that her husband is a journalist sharing bylines with Josh Gerstein at Politico, and it looks like they're still friends.

00:47:06.000 Sharing a byline means they work together.

00:47:08.000 Like, they've shared this story that's published, so they know each other for sure.

00:47:12.000 He says, I don't know that Elizabeth Deutch leaked the draft opinion, but I certainly think someone who has spent much of their academic and professional life fighting to expand the right to get an abortion could be desperate enough to do so.

00:47:23.000 I think it's an interesting thread and some good journalistic work.

00:47:26.000 He didn't publish any private details outside of, here's a person who publicly works for the court and we're looking for a leaker.

00:47:32.000 Robbie Suave says, what is the argument that it's okay to do this, but not to reveal the name of Libs of TikTok?

00:47:38.000 Ian Milestrong, she's not anonymous for one.

00:47:40.000 And secondly, Will didn't publish Deutsche's home address.

00:47:42.000 She's not anonymous.

00:47:43.000 She's literally a law clerk. 0.98

00:47:45.000 Someone leaked the information.

00:47:47.000 We're going to start looking who the publicly available information on law clerks is. 0.94

00:47:52.000 Libs of TikTok's name was not in the public.

00:47:55.000 But my argument on that one was always, I disagree with it, but There's an argument to be made about the journalistic issue around whether or not who someone is should be public knowledge.

00:48:07.000 Considering Libs of TikTok had 600,000 followers and was influencing politics, I think the reporting was warranted, but the name didn't serve a purpose.

00:48:15.000 Posting the home address was crossing the line.

00:48:17.000 As for this, this is not an anonymous person.

00:48:19.000 This is someone who has stamped Law Clerk at the Supreme Court under their name.

00:48:23.000 All of this is in the press.

00:48:25.000 Libs of TikTok's information may have been public, as they argue, but it was in, like, registries.

00:48:30.000 It was in, like, real estate licenses.

00:48:32.000 There was nothing saying, LinkedIn.

00:48:35.000 Person.

00:48:36.000 Libs of TikTok.

00:48:36.000 Like, this individual has.

00:48:38.000 Now the threatening Nasu?

00:48:39.000 I wonder if Will is over-target on this one and he actually found who may have leaked the- Also, making popular memes on Twitter and- Well, not even making popular memes, sharing videos on Twitter.

00:48:50.000 I'm sorry, I just don't buy that this isn't a public person.

00:48:54.000 You know, you work for a member of Congress that's publicly known.

00:48:57.000 Oh yeah, posting memes is way more powerful than being a law clerk at the Supreme Court.

00:49:00.000 I'm sorry, I just don't buy that this isn't a public person.

00:49:03.000 You know, you work for a member of Congress that's publicly known.

00:49:07.000 You know, if you tweet something as a member of Congress, I guarantee you the New York

00:49:10.000 Times or whoever will go after you.

00:49:12.000 So, you know, I think, look, Will is an incredibly smart guy.

00:49:16.000 He's very careful.

00:49:17.000 I imagine he went through all of these clerks and kind of did some process of elimination.

00:49:22.000 And look, I mean, this is really interesting.

00:49:24.000 You know, the media is not going to do anything about this, right?

00:49:27.000 They're not going to look for the leaker.

00:49:28.000 They're happy it happened.

00:49:29.000 So I think it's going to have to be on people like Will and other sleuths.

00:49:34.000 This is the media as well.

00:49:35.000 And so that's part of how we're changing what the media is.

00:49:39.000 We're so used to being outside of the building looking in that the media usually refers to the establishment, but we're taking over.

00:49:47.000 We're taking that space.

00:49:47.000 So the corporate press, I think, is usually— Even this is corporate press at this point.

00:49:51.000 This is not corporate press.

00:49:52.000 TimCast is a corporation.

00:49:53.000 We're usurping that title.

00:49:53.000 That's not what it means.

00:49:55.000 The bad—I mean, the bad.

00:49:56.000 This is why the good— You guys are the good media.

00:49:58.000 Here come the semantics that are completely immaterial to the argument.

00:50:00.000 I am the semantic master.

00:50:02.000 You know what's been crossing my mind?

00:50:03.000 That it's a spouse.

00:50:04.000 Somebody talked to their spouse.

00:50:06.000 It's so easy to go home after work and lay in bed all stressed out and just blab about what you did at the job.

00:50:11.000 So it's very well could have been her husband.

00:50:12.000 They still have to get it.

00:50:13.000 They had the physical 98-page draft.

00:50:16.000 And apparently that's really limited in terms of who could have it.

00:50:19.000 I'm not saying that this... I don't know what this is.

00:50:20.000 Tons of journalists are married to people in politics. 0.81

00:50:24.000 It's gross.

00:50:24.000 Yeah.

00:50:25.000 I think it's the third estate.

00:50:27.000 was the fourth estate i think the press was supposed to be yeah yeah no the fourth estate

00:50:32.000 and what's the third estate is that which one is it is the third estate government i

00:50:36.000 think it's the third i don't know whatever that's whatever whichever estate is supposed

00:50:39.000 to be you know like the representatives has merged with journalism it's gross

00:50:45.000 And now it's polilism.

00:50:47.000 Now it's a monopoly of states?

00:50:50.000 A monopoly of states?

00:50:52.000 Here's another tweet.

00:50:53.000 Mike Cernovich.

00:50:54.000 She said, New talking point just went out.

00:50:56.000 Doesn't matter who leaked.

00:50:57.000 Adam Schiff says, I don't care how the draft leaked.

00:50:59.000 That's a sideshow.

00:51:00.000 What I care about is that a small number of conservative justices who lied about their plans to the Senate intend to deprive millions of women of reproductive care.

00:51:08.000 Codifying Roe isn't enough. 0.88

00:51:09.000 We must expand the court.

00:51:11.000 Oh, incredible.

00:51:12.000 So a leak from the Supreme Court is a sideshow.

00:51:15.000 This is an interesting precedent.

00:51:17.000 How many more leaks from the Supreme Court are going to happen in the future now when some progressive clerk doesn't like what she sees? 1.00

00:51:23.000 I'm telling you, man.

00:51:25.000 Boomers? 1.00

00:51:26.000 Had scruples.

00:51:27.000 I asked this question.

00:51:28.000 Why is there?

00:51:29.000 Why can't you bribe a cop in the United States?

00:51:32.000 Because the cop will arrest you on the spot.

00:51:35.000 But why can you bribe a cop in Russia?

00:51:37.000 It's still illegal to do, but there's no scruples.

00:51:41.000 They're not worried about repercussions.

00:51:43.000 They're not worried about being ostracized or canceled or anything like that.

00:51:46.000 For the older generations, they're genuinely worried that if I step out of line, people will be mad at me.

00:51:51.000 Now, you've got these law clerks who are like, I literally don't care what anyone else thinks.

00:51:57.000 My tribe must win.

00:51:59.000 When you have two distinct political factions, and within those umbrellas, you have many different ideologies, like libertarian and conservative are kind of in the same space, but they really don't agree with each other, just like progressives and neolibs don't, but they're in the same space.

00:52:13.000 What happens is, we had one United States, And a Republican would be like, I can't do that because Democrats, you know, I'm going to get all the flack from my colleagues in Congress.

00:52:24.000 That one goes too far.

00:52:26.000 Nowadays, it's basically come to the point where left and right says, I do not care at all what the right thinks.

00:52:33.000 The left must get this thing.

00:52:36.000 So the attitude now with cancel culture.

00:52:39.000 Um, Ethan Klein.

00:52:40.000 Really great example.

00:52:41.000 H3H3.

00:52:41.000 He makes an offensive statement.

00:52:44.000 He apologizes to his fans.

00:52:46.000 We all laugh and be like, look what you have to do.

00:52:48.000 But to him, he's like, I don't care about what the right thinks because the right's not paying my bills.

00:52:52.000 So I'll apologize if I have to.

00:52:55.000 That's where we're at right now.

00:52:56.000 There's no... Ethan can come out and accuse anyone on the right of being anything, and there's zero damage he will face.

00:53:04.000 We had a detransitioner on the show yesterday, and I'm like, I'm sure a bunch of activists are going to come and scream in my face, but they have zero impact on my work or my show, so why should I care? 0.99

00:53:13.000 And that means when the boomers are gone, there's going to be two distinct Political realities in this country. 0.99

00:53:19.000 You said that there's one United States.

00:53:20.000 I see 50 United States.

00:53:22.000 And the reason we have 50 states is because just in case a political faction attempts to seize power at the federal level, the states have total recourse to resist that.

00:53:30.000 And that means civil war.

00:53:32.000 Or just means a revolution.

00:53:33.000 No, because California will not tolerate a Republican revolution.

00:53:39.000 If the right goes in the federal government and takes over, California says no.

00:53:42.000 I don't think it has to be a political revolution, a technological revolution.

00:53:46.000 Dude.

00:53:47.000 A revolution of states.

00:53:48.000 The issue with this is, you know, Republicans, conservatives will always say federalism will solve everything, that we should push things back to the states.

00:53:56.000 But I do think, you know, it's important to know who our enemy is here.

00:53:59.000 And to Tim's point, I mean, these are people who think that the ends are always justified.

00:54:04.000 And so, you know, why would California listen to, you know, some...

00:54:11.000 I'll take a different view here.

00:54:12.000 I think the most important war is the information war, and the reason why these divides are happening is because the media has gone so far to the left that it's creating this alternative reality.

00:54:25.000 But well, I disagree a little bit.

00:54:25.000 Yes, yes.

00:54:29.000 I think social media created a generation living in a broken, fractured world where there is no truth but power.

00:54:36.000 And then they got jobs in media.

00:54:38.000 And now the New York Times is being worn as a skin suit, as is the Washington Post. 0.89

00:54:43.000 Yeah, it was kids using Facebook when they were 14 and they figured out how to go viral.

00:54:47.000 Now they're at the New York Times.

00:54:50.000 It was news organizations funded by venture capital who found the fastest path towards making money was rage bait.

00:54:50.000 Sort of.

00:54:57.000 And so you ended up with websites like Mike.com, which initially started as Ron Paul supporting, and then went woke because they were like, this stuff works.

00:55:07.000 You know what doesn't work for the right?

00:55:09.000 What worked for the right was anti-SJW.

00:55:12.000 We don't like the things they're doing, so we're gonna complain about it whenever they do it.

00:55:17.000 What worked for the left was literally lying about anything. 0.92

00:55:20.000 It's claiming that cops are going around hunting down black people.

00:55:24.000 Russiagate, Covington, Jussie Smollett, Ghost of Kiev, that's a new one.

00:55:28.000 Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Ahmaud Arbery.

00:55:30.000 Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. 0.61

00:55:31.000 Kyle Rittenhouse, lie.

00:55:32.000 They do it non-stop, all day, every day, and it works every time.

00:55:36.000 These people live in a chaotic dimension of flame, fire, and destruction, and they don't care they've been wrong about almost every major cultural story of the past decade.

00:55:47.000 They don't care.

00:55:48.000 You will not change their minds.

00:55:50.000 So when I pull up Politico, quite literally having two articles, one saying Ukraine did meddle, and one saying, actually, that was Russian disinformation, but they never retracted the other one, how can these people exist?

00:56:01.000 How can their brains function with such cognitive dissonance?

00:56:05.000 That is the problem.

00:56:06.000 The information war, yes.

00:56:07.000 But if these people are in a cult and you can't reach them, then there's going to be fighting.

00:56:12.000 You can, but you've got to figure out how.

00:56:14.000 Everyone can be reached.

00:56:15.000 Every cult member can be reached.

00:56:17.000 There's a way.

00:56:18.000 It's true, it's true.

00:56:19.000 The way to do it is to show them they're not as popular as they think.

00:56:23.000 And what's insulating them from that is social media censorship.

00:56:26.000 What I want to know is why are Republicans so keen on bailing this industry out, bailing the news media out, the same industry that is publishing these Politico articles, the same industry.

00:56:37.000 Who's trying to bail them out?

00:56:39.000 A bunch of Republican senators.

00:56:40.000 Apparently they've jumped onto this Amy Klobuchar build called the Journalism Competition and Preservation. 0.57

00:56:45.000 I disagree on this, by the way.

00:56:46.000 This is going to be fun.

00:56:47.000 The Journalism, Competition and Preservation Act.

00:56:50.000 I think I've discussed it on the show before.

00:56:53.000 So you've probably seen all these bills in Australia and Canada that force tech companies to pay news outlets for content.

00:57:02.000 This is the American version of that.

00:57:04.000 It would allow media companies to get together in a cartel to collectively negotiate with the tech companies on things like... Ads.

00:57:14.000 Things like ads and things like paying them for content.

00:57:20.000 So which Republicans are on it?

00:57:23.000 Rand Paul?

00:57:24.000 Yes, Rand Paul.

00:57:25.000 Rand Paul's on this?

00:57:26.000 Lindsey Graham, Cynthia Lummis.

00:57:28.000 Cynthia Lummis has also signed on to another really terrible bill.

00:57:32.000 Rand Paul, you come on this show and explain your position on this, because I trust, I like Rand Paul.

00:57:38.000 So I want to hear why he's... I have the answer to why so many Republicans are on this.

00:57:42.000 It's because News Corp is one of the biggest pushers of this, and Republicans like News Corp.

00:57:48.000 They just blindly trust it or something?

00:57:50.000 Well, you know, Rupert Murdoch and his media companies have them on Fox News.

00:57:55.000 They lean conservative.

00:57:56.000 Give us the elevator pitch of what the bill does.

00:57:58.000 It says, to provide a safe harbor for publishers of online content to collectively negotiate with dominant online platforms regarding the terms on which content may be distributed.

00:58:07.000 It's a temporary waiver on antitrust to basically allow these small publishers to collectively bargain against Facebook and Google.

00:58:16.000 Small publishers?

00:58:17.000 Where in the bill does it say small publishers?

00:58:20.000 There's a non-discrimination provision.

00:58:22.000 I like the bill.

00:58:23.000 I think it's a good bill.

00:58:25.000 To me, my thing is Facebook and Google are the bigger enemy here, and they have absolutely destroyed local news.

00:58:32.000 I want decentralization of news.

00:58:34.000 I want local newspapers to be able to report on stuff, and I think the way the model is currently, it benefits Facebook and Google.

00:58:40.000 It's absolutely put media out of business.

00:58:41.000 But the issue is local news has been destroyed, but it's because people want national stories.

00:58:50.000 So, it used to be that to get your news, you'd turn on, you know, Channel 5 for the 5 o'clock news.

00:58:54.000 I remember we had Fox 32 in Chicago.

00:58:57.000 Simpsons were at like 5.30 or something, and then... Central Time.

00:59:01.000 Yeah, Central Time, and then at 6 p.m.

00:59:03.000 was the news, and I'd go, ugh.

00:59:04.000 And then afterwards, it was Seinfeld, and I was like, meh.

00:59:07.000 I liked The Simpsons when I was a kid.

00:59:08.000 And, uh, you'd watch your news, but your news would be like... Who's that guy in WGN?

00:59:13.000 Is that Larry Potash?

00:59:14.000 I don't remember.

00:59:14.000 He's still there, I think.

00:59:15.000 Uh, it was local stories.

00:59:17.000 You'd get some national stuff, but they'd also be like, a fire hydrant burst over on the corner of 63rd and, you know, California, and now there's water everywhere, the road has been blocked off, and you're like, oh. 0.92

00:59:27.000 Now, you turn on the news, and it's CNN, and they're like, Trump is a Nazi.

00:59:30.000 And you're like, okay, that's not anything relevant to me.

00:59:33.000 Then you go on Google.

00:59:34.000 You type in news, you get CNN.

00:59:36.000 CNN's gonna give you all national stories.

00:59:37.000 CBS, all national stories.

00:59:39.000 So you have to actively choose, as someone in an area, to find your local news, but I think most people don't do that.

00:59:46.000 The other thing is, you know, local news is how this is being pitched to congressmen.

00:59:50.000 I mean, anyone who's been in politics for a long time knows that the great soundbite is, we're on the side of the little guys against the big guys.

00:59:56.000 That's how politicians have been selling almost anything for a very, very long time.

01:00:02.000 There's nothing in the bill that limits this to local news, but there is a big part of the bill that allows any cartel that forms to exclude whoever they want, as long as they're not similarly situated to them.

01:00:15.000 I don't think that's true.

01:00:16.000 Hold on, bro.

01:00:18.000 You gotta have a billion viewers.

01:00:20.000 The bill says you can't have fewer than one billion monthly active users in aggregate.

01:00:24.000 We'd have to look at the language.

01:00:26.000 I think it's talking about social media.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, it's gotta be.

01:00:28.000 Also, I'm pretty sure that draft of the JCPA is not the most accurate, the most recent one, because there's been a lot of work.

01:00:34.000 I've actually seen an unreleased draft of some amendments, and it's even worse.

01:00:41.000 They're going to extend it by ten years instead of the original four.

01:00:43.000 That's how long it'll apply for.

01:00:45.000 Plus, they're going to separate into categories.

01:00:48.000 One for broadcasters, which they define as stations.

01:00:51.000 They don't define it as YouTubers.

01:00:54.000 You're not going to get a handout because of this bill, Tim.

01:00:56.000 No YouTuber is going to get a handout, no podcaster, no Substack author is going to get a handout.

01:01:01.000 It's all for the legacy media.

01:01:03.000 It's all for paper newspapers.

01:01:05.000 It's all for traditional broadcasters.

01:01:06.000 They're trying to rescue them from the internet.

01:01:10.000 They should not be doing that.

01:01:12.000 No, it's a bill.

01:01:12.000 It's the same thing they're doing in Canada.

01:01:14.000 It's the same thing they're doing in Australia.

01:01:18.000 And, you know, the way this works in D.C.

01:01:20.000 is that the News Media Alliance, which is the big umbrella lobbying group for all the big media companies, you should check out their website.

01:01:27.000 Go to NewsMediaAlliance.org, Board of Directors, and look at some of the people who are part of this organization that basically wrote this bill.

01:01:36.000 And you're not going to see a lot of local news in there.

01:01:39.000 We need term limits, man.

01:01:40.000 The Board of Directors!

01:01:42.000 We've got Antoinette Bush, Maribel Wadsworth, Pamela Browning.

01:01:46.000 Who are these people?

01:01:46.000 Look at their titles.

01:01:48.000 Executive Vice President, Global Head of Government Affairs and News Corp, President of Publisher USA Today.

01:01:54.000 I'll make this courier.

01:01:56.000 This is very strange because, like, I just don't... So what would you suggest?

01:02:00.000 What would you suggest is a better play to prevent Facebook and Google from getting all this ad revenue, from basically incentivizing the nationalization of everything?

01:02:08.000 No, it goes back to what we were saying when we were talking about how evil is big tech.

01:02:15.000 Big tech was pressured into censoring by advertiser boycotts driven by the media.

01:02:20.000 So big tech is bad but they're bad because they are favoring the media and this is a bill that would force them to favor the media even more than they are currently doing.

01:02:32.000 What we want is for them to allow everyone to compete on an equal We're doing alright.

01:02:37.000 We don't need a handout, and I don't want my competition to get free money from the government or for protections.

01:02:44.000 even local newspapers which are just as left wing and biased as the national newspapers.

01:02:50.000 We don't need a handout and I don't want my competition to get free money from the government

01:02:53.000 or for protections.

01:02:54.000 If these news organizations can't figure out how to run their business for the modern era,

01:02:57.000 they shouldn't exist.

01:02:58.000 Look, I think it's a complicated bill.

01:03:00.000 I think there's a lot of arguments on both sides on it.

01:03:02.000 But I will say this, which is if you're going to take on big tech, the biggest problem conservatives have is that these companies don't respect Republicans.

01:03:10.000 They don't respect them as having posing any sort of threat whatsoever to them.

01:03:14.000 And so if you're not going to embrace, which all of them I know we disagree on antitrust too, but if you're not going to embrace any sort of actual solution that'll do something to these companies, they're not going to change their, you know, they're going to continue to censor.

01:03:25.000 I got your solution.

01:03:26.000 Free their software code.

01:03:28.000 You can't break the company apart enough times.

01:03:30.000 You've got to make sure that the code is available.

01:03:32.000 If you want democratization of the network, then everyone's got to have access to their own version of the network.

01:03:36.000 Are we saying we have to sign on to every tech regulation the Democrats want?

01:03:42.000 for an idea we have all these republican members, establishment members who have...

01:03:46.000 I'm not objecting to all of the bills, John. I'm objecting to this particular bill.

01:03:50.000 I'm a huge supporter of Bill Hagerty's proposed tech regulation.

01:03:53.000 I'm a huge supporter of Texas's proposed tech regulation. I like some of the antitrust.

01:03:58.000 We agree on section 2. I like the jurisdiction bill.

01:04:01.000 There are lots of bills I don't like.

01:04:02.000 This one is a bailout.

01:04:05.000 It's the worst bill of this congress.

01:04:09.000 Bailing out the media.

01:04:10.000 The reason we have parents Who think it's a good idea to chemically castrate their own children is because the media made that idea cool.

01:04:20.000 The reason why we have people supporting defunding the police is because the media made that into an issue.

01:04:27.000 The reason why we have libs of TikTok being doxxed is because of the media.

01:04:31.000 The reason the entire country believed Russia was in control of their government for a full two years is because of the media.

01:04:38.000 The reason why...

01:04:41.000 And for Republicans to support a bill that bails out the media, that's an obscene betrayal of their voters.

01:04:48.000 I think that's a really good talking point, but I don't think if you had talked to Rand Paul, if you had talked to these guys, I don't think that that's an accurate explanation.

01:04:55.000 I know exactly what happened.

01:04:56.000 The News Corp lobbyists in the News Media Alliance went and spoke to them.

01:05:01.000 It says digital news organization.

01:05:04.000 What's that?

01:05:05.000 It says any print broadcast or digital news organization.

01:05:07.000 that has a dedicated professional editorial staff that creates and distributes original

01:05:10.000 news and related content concerning local, national, or international matters of public

01:05:14.000 interest on at least a weekly basis, and is marketed through subscriptions, advertising,

01:05:18.000 or sponsorship, provides original news and related content with the editorial content

01:05:23.000 consisting of not less than 25% current news and related content, blah, blah, blah, blah,

01:05:28.000 blah.

01:05:29.000 And to my knowledge, there's a more recent draft that actually even excludes some of

01:05:32.000 the larger.

01:05:33.000 And there's, well, the new one says 1,500 employees, but that's a trick because you

01:05:39.000 can always corporate restructure your organization to make it into lots of little small 1,500

01:05:46.000 employee chunks.

01:05:50.000 The thing you read out there, Tim, dedicated professional editorial stuff, that leaves out every one-man independent journalist, every one-man operation.

01:06:01.000 Leave that Glenn Greenwald.

01:06:02.000 Glenn Greenwald will not be covered by that.

01:06:04.000 Luke Rutkowski?

01:06:05.000 We are change?

01:06:06.000 Leave that Luke Rutkowski.

01:06:07.000 Glenn Greenwald went before Congress and opposed this bill.

01:06:11.000 You should actually watch his testimony before the House Committee.

01:06:14.000 It says the bill creates a four-year safe harbor from antitrust laws for print, broadcast, or digital news companies to collectively negotiate with online content distributors.

01:06:23.000 requiring the terms on which the news company's content may be distributed by online content distributors.

01:06:29.000 I completely oppose that in every way.

01:06:32.000 You're telling me that you think the New York Times, the Washington Post, CBS, ABC, NBC should be able to come

01:06:38.000 together violating antitrust provisions to negotiate collectively

01:06:43.000 amongst all of the biggest and most powerful media in the world.

01:06:46.000 I don't think that's what it does.

01:06:47.000 That's literally what I just read.

01:06:48.000 Well, so as I said, that's an older text.

01:06:51.000 I know that they've excluded some of the larger ones.

01:06:53.000 My concern is local news.

01:06:55.000 I want to make sure that we're not having everything nationalized.

01:06:59.000 Same thing that you just mentioned.

01:07:01.000 I mean, it says 117th Congress 2022.

01:07:03.000 No, I know.

01:07:04.000 No, I know.

01:07:05.000 It hasn't been marked up.

01:07:06.000 There's a markup coming.

01:07:08.000 The local news talking point is pure marketing.

01:07:11.000 They know everyone dislikes the big national media corporations.

01:07:14.000 That's why they're talking about local news.

01:07:16.000 They were marketing this draft as for local news as well.

01:07:19.000 Who's going to be able to deal with Google and Facebook screwing them over more? 0.69

01:07:23.000 Local news or the big guys?

01:07:25.000 I would rather, I would rather Google and Facebook destroy the media machine through technological advancement and then people like us figure out how to pick up the pieces and build outside of that ecosystem and create something new through merit.

01:07:39.000 So one of the things we did was over a year ago we launched TimCast.com.

01:07:43.000 We are funded primarily now through memberships.

01:07:46.000 We are removing our reliance on big tech platforms, and we have been reducing our reliance on big tech platforms.

01:07:52.000 The next thing we're going to be doing is doing mobile apps and smart TV apps.

01:07:55.000 We are finding a way to navigate this.

01:07:57.000 We've got infrastructure being built right now to make us more sensor resilient, and I do not want to see CNN team up with the Washington Post and the New York Times to give themselves more power by leveraging the weight of their massive conglomeration And you know, I was covering this from the beginning, this favoring of the media.

01:08:20.000 It's the culmination of that trend.

01:08:22.000 So Facebook already pays billions to news companies in licensing.

01:08:27.000 Google has poured hundreds of millions, if not billions, into propping up the media already.

01:08:33.000 And they're doing that because they've been told for five years by the media If you don't favor us, we're going to whip up advertiser boycotts.

01:08:41.000 And this is a part of that.

01:08:42.000 It's trying to enshrine that same trend in law. 0.64

01:08:45.000 The worst trend of Silicon Valley.

01:08:47.000 Promoting the media and making what was previously an even playing field, uneven.

01:08:53.000 By the way, I also want to bring up one tremendous little statistic I found recently.

01:09:00.000 According to Gallup, as of 2021, 11% of Republicans have a great deal or a fair amount of trust in the media.

01:09:10.000 11%.

01:09:12.000 And according to Pew, the number of Republicans who think abortion should be legal in all or most cases is 35%.

01:09:24.000 So the media are less popular with Republicans than abortion.

01:09:29.000 Wow.

01:09:29.000 I feel like I'm maybe not being sensational enough when I say we need to free their software code.

01:09:35.000 I want to hear what you guys think about this too.

01:09:39.000 What these Republican senators have done is the equivalent of taking money from Planned Parenthood.

01:09:45.000 The free the software code, Ian, you've never articulated what that would do besides just making people know what their code is.

01:09:51.000 It would give you the opportunity to make your own network with that code.

01:09:53.000 You can do that right now.

01:09:54.000 No, you don't have access to their code.

01:09:56.000 What code are we talking about?

01:09:57.000 Like Google Analytics, you brought up earlier.

01:09:58.000 Twitter doesn't have a good analytics platform because Google has a proprietary analytics platform.

01:10:02.000 They become the commons, so we need to treat it like the commons and liberate the software.

01:10:07.000 That's my argument.

01:10:09.000 But that's, I mean, I suppose my issue with that, and what most people would probably argue is, you're just talking about seizing the means of production.

01:10:15.000 No.

01:10:16.000 Quite literally.

01:10:16.000 I don't think so.

01:10:17.000 I mean, it's like there's tolls on every road that are owned by Alphabet right now.

01:10:21.000 We need to get rid of those tolls.

01:10:23.000 Bro, you can build your own analytics software.

01:10:26.000 Yeah, but it takes a long... How many of you... Welcome to the world!

01:10:31.000 I shouldn't have to build my house!

01:10:33.000 You could start your own army now! 0.77

01:10:35.000 Stay in your cage!

01:10:38.000 I think what we want is very simple.

01:10:40.000 If you look at what was happening in 2016, the independent media was eclipsing the mainstream media because at that point Google and Facebook and Twitter were not favoring the mainstream media.

01:10:49.000 It was a relatively even playing field.

01:10:51.000 That's what we want.

01:10:52.000 We don't want the news media to be protected in any way, which is in the literal title of this bill, Journalism Competition and Protection Act.

01:10:59.000 And no, I'm not seizing the means of production.

01:11:03.000 I'm liberating the means of production.

01:11:04.000 Yeah, that's exactly what communists say.

01:11:06.000 No, they would take it from the state.

01:11:08.000 I don't want the state.

01:11:09.000 I'm not giving this stuff to the state.

01:11:10.000 I'm giving it to humanity.

01:11:12.000 What do you... Bro, you need to read some communist literature.

01:11:14.000 It's not property of anything.

01:11:16.000 Guys, is what he's saying communist?

01:11:18.000 It just, it depends on what you're saying exactly.

01:11:21.000 So like, if you're talking about, like, data, I think it's really interesting.

01:11:25.000 Like, if I provide my data to Facebook... He's saying code.

01:11:30.000 The literal infrastructure.

01:11:31.000 Yeah, like, code's a little tougher because, you know, there are property rights to consider there.

01:11:37.000 I don't know.

01:11:39.000 I haven't seen it.

01:11:41.000 I don't want Google's factory.

01:11:43.000 I'm not seizing their headquarters.

01:11:45.000 It's not 20th century time anymore.

01:11:46.000 It's 21st century where digital property is a real thing now.

01:11:49.000 We have to treat it like such.

01:11:50.000 They built a machine that took millions of dollars and years and you are saying well, no one else can do that

01:11:56.000 It would take too long So we should be able to have the machine they built is

01:11:59.000 server space and they can keep their servers I'm not talking about seizing their stuff.

01:12:02.000 I'm talking about giving people access to the information.

01:12:05.000 We've had this discussion before that you don't believe in intellectual property rights.

01:12:09.000 Well, I mean, yeah, for sure there's intellectual property rights, but when something functions in the commons, then you've got to start questioning if they still have the right to own it.

01:12:17.000 Right, I guess the fundamental difference is I believe in private property rights and you don't.

01:12:20.000 Yeah, me too.

01:12:21.000 But up to a certain amount of daily active users.

01:12:23.000 A billion daily active users and you own the thing that is controlling the billion active users?

01:12:28.000 Like, is that righteous for one human anymore?

01:12:30.000 I don't think so.

01:12:31.000 The website would just be like, okay, we're locked at 999 million users.

01:12:36.000 $900,000, $900,000, $900,000, $900,000, $900,000, $900,000.

01:12:38.000 They might destroy their business model just to stay out of it.

01:12:41.000 They're going to say, if we get one more user, we lose our property rights.

01:12:44.000 Don't do it.

01:12:44.000 Because then if 100 million other people spin up versions of YouTube and they all interoperate, the original YouTube benefits.

01:12:52.000 It has more activity on the network.

01:12:54.000 You're not making sense.

01:12:55.000 I'm making perfect sense, but I understand you don't understand.

01:12:58.000 No, Ian.

01:12:59.000 You're saying that if a platform reaches a billion users, its code has to be released to the public.

01:13:05.000 Yeah, it's an arbitrary number.

01:13:06.000 But the company would then choose to restrict their platform to not exceed that, otherwise

01:13:10.000 they would lose their IP, which means they would not give out their code and no one would

01:13:15.000 spin up their own versions because the code's never released.

01:13:17.000 Well, you could pick a number that's well under their daily active users.

01:13:19.000 And then they would say, start a new company and we'll own all five versions of it and

01:13:23.000 we'll have them as separate corporations.

01:13:25.000 See I think the issue that we often see with the leftist arguments is they don't know how

01:13:28.000 business or IP works.

01:13:30.000 So Google, you're saying, will split up YouTube into five companies that each have a fifth of the daily active users?

01:13:35.000 Yes.

01:13:36.000 You think that people aren't going to see that and see that they're committing some sort of... Well, in fact, they did sort of already do that with Alphabet.

01:13:42.000 That's what they were trying to do, corporate restructuring.

01:13:44.000 Ian, I think the issue is your ideas are not formulated based on an understanding of how businesses work in this country.

01:13:48.000 It's still just an idea, yeah.

01:13:49.000 I'm not a lawyer.

01:13:50.000 So I'll give you an example.

01:13:52.000 Taxes.

01:13:53.000 The left says, like, we should tax the rich.

01:13:55.000 Okay, well, we have taxes on the rich. 0.99

01:13:57.000 They do pay a large amount of taxes.

01:13:58.000 Well, then why didn't Elon Musk pay any taxes?

01:14:01.000 Well, Elon Musk, this year, he did pay a lot of taxes.

01:14:03.000 Why didn't he pay taxes in 2018?

01:14:05.000 Well, probably because he didn't take any money, because he didn't need to.

01:14:08.000 He did not need to pay himself.

01:14:11.000 He eats food at the office, his business pays for things, so he takes no personal income, because the business pays taxes.

01:14:18.000 They say, Amazon didn't pay any taxes.

01:14:19.000 Actually, Amazon paid an insane amount of taxes, because they're not just paying corporate income tax, they're paying employment taxes, property taxes, healthcare, all of this stuff, they're taxed very, very heavily.

01:14:31.000 When it comes to the arguments about how do we then make the rich pay their fair share, it's like you've not defined what fair share is.

01:14:37.000 Okay, well, what if what if we said they have to pay 20%?

01:14:39.000 It's like the rich already have a higher tax bracket than that.

01:14:43.000 Well, then why aren't we getting their money?

01:14:46.000 There are laws in place that make sense.

01:14:49.000 Once you get to a certain amount of power, those laws don't mean anything anymore.

01:14:54.000 And I'll put it simply.

01:14:55.000 Elon Musk has no reason to pay himself any money if his business is always stocked with food, he walks in and there's a luncheon for all the employees and he can just eat what's there.

01:15:06.000 He doesn't need to buy himself a car if the business has a car that he drives for business reasons.

01:15:10.000 So they're saying, why isn't he paying taxes?

01:15:12.000 Because of the existing structure, which makes sense, that he is using, but the taxes are happening somewhere.

01:15:17.000 What you're saying, and arguing about the Free the Code all the time, fundamentally misunderstands how businesses work.

01:15:22.000 You know what they would do?

01:15:23.000 They would put their headquarters in Dublin, and then it would negate anything you proposed.

01:15:27.000 Well, I mean, if they want to operate in the States, they've got to follow United States law.

01:15:30.000 No, they don't!

01:15:31.000 They do not.

01:15:31.000 They also don't have to follow the First Amendment in your strange Dangerous reality that you're talking about.

01:15:38.000 Okay, you give me your idea then.

01:15:41.000 Oh, but I'm the one that wants to seize the means.

01:15:47.000 You're the one that wants to nationalize the thing.

01:15:49.000 Okay, I'm sorry to interrupt you.

01:15:51.000 Right, right, right, right.

01:15:51.000 See, the issue is, I'm going to come out and say that when Twitter takes control of the public space in terms of communications, we could do a hybridization of a privately owned public space.

01:16:01.000 Which means the public has a right to it, but it's owned privately and they can dictate how they run the business to make money.

01:16:06.000 That's how Zuccotti Parked worked in New York.

01:16:09.000 What you're saying is you would take their ownership of the code itself and give it to everyone else, which I don't think would do anything at all, to be completely honest.

01:16:19.000 I'm interested in the idea, because what's the incentive for a corporation to do this?

01:16:23.000 You said a bigger network?

01:16:25.000 It's like breaking up a monopoly.

01:16:26.000 I don't think they would want it.

01:16:27.000 It wouldn't destroy the company.

01:16:29.000 That's the point.

01:16:31.000 It's removing the monopoly without destroying the company.

01:16:34.000 So in terms of ownership, I don't think I would agree with you.

01:16:36.000 But in terms of, you know, like if we reformed Section 230 for the largest companies to be like a First Amendment standard or something like that, and you were trying to prove in court, say you had a private right of action in the law, you were trying to prove in court that Google was suppressing your content, there would be a discovery, right?

01:16:55.000 A discovery phase where you could look at the algorithm, something like that.

01:16:58.000 I'm more interested in what you're talking about if it's disclosure of like what it is The actual ownership, I think I'd really struggle.

01:17:06.000 Well, no one owns it.

01:17:07.000 It's AGPL3.

01:17:07.000 It's just free software.

01:17:09.000 The idea would be if you spend 10 years building software code to run a service like Twitter, if they get to a certain size, the code itself is then given to the public who can then take all of that.

01:17:22.000 Reverse engineer.

01:17:23.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, So Truth Social could be Twitter?

01:17:30.000 Oh, jeez.

01:17:30.000 So yeah, Truth was built off of Mastodon's code.

01:17:34.000 And so because it was open source, they're supposed to credit it.

01:17:37.000 I guess they still haven't.

01:17:38.000 Oh, geez.

01:17:39.000 I don't know.

01:17:39.000 But I think the issue there is what we see every time we try and take away someone's

01:17:45.000 property.

01:17:45.000 No one's going to invest in building Twitter if they lose that investment.

01:17:50.000 You're going to go to a person of means and say, we need $100,000 to build a program that does X. And they're going to say, and in 10 years, where's my money?

01:17:58.000 Oh, completely gone because everyone gets it for free.

01:18:01.000 Maybe social media no longer will be about making money.

01:18:04.000 Maybe it's actually going to be about public good for once.

01:18:05.000 Who will do that?

01:18:07.000 Bill Altman at Minds.

01:18:08.000 Does Bill make money?

01:18:09.000 We build free software.

01:18:10.000 Yeah, and you can make money by selling services related to the software.

01:18:13.000 Does Bill have investors?

01:18:14.000 Yeah.

01:18:15.000 Do those investors expect a return on their investment?

01:18:17.000 I don't know.

01:18:18.000 It's a private company.

01:18:19.000 It depends on what Bill wants to do.

01:18:20.000 The answer is yes.

01:18:21.000 No, that's public.

01:18:22.000 That's the public malaise.

01:18:25.000 It's obsessed with making money.

01:18:26.000 Private companies don't have to make money.

01:18:27.000 Just do your service if you want to.

01:18:28.000 I think maybe if we're talking about mission-driven culture, where people are like, I want to make a company that does like, like, like, I know the guy who led the investment, the investment in mines quite well, he definitely does care about free speech and open, open software.

01:18:46.000 So that's some investors do actually care about that stuff.

01:18:49.000 For sure.

01:18:50.000 Does he expect to get his money back or make money off of it?

01:18:52.000 You'd have to ask him.

01:18:54.000 If you want him on the show, he'll be happy to come on, I think.

01:18:58.000 What did they launch a while ago?

01:18:58.000 I have a bill coming on, I think, soon.

01:19:00.000 Yeah.

01:19:01.000 So we'll talk about a lot of this.

01:19:02.000 I think if you want to do...

01:19:05.000 What did they launch a while ago?

01:19:06.000 B Corps?

01:19:07.000 That they're allowed to...

01:19:09.000 I could be wrong about this, but someone told me once that they're allowed to...

01:19:14.000 A corporation doesn't have to make money.

01:19:16.000 They're like a hybrid of a non-profit, for-profit.

01:19:19.000 So, whereas most corporations have to make money for their shareholders, they have a fiduciary duty, I think B Corps are the ones that are like a do-good corporation or something like that.

01:19:29.000 The goal of Timcast is...

01:19:31.000 It's to make money, but mostly about the mission.

01:19:34.000 We want to do cool things.

01:19:35.000 We want to have an impact.

01:19:36.000 That's why we did the Times Square billboard thing.

01:19:39.000 I know, I know.

01:19:39.000 People are like, we've heard about it.

01:19:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:40.000 The point is, I sit back and I look at Elon Musk.

01:19:44.000 He's buying Twitter.

01:19:45.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:19:46.000 I sit back and I look at Joe Rogan.

01:19:47.000 Well, he does his show, but I wonder, does Joe do anything like

01:19:52.000 challenging the establishment or the system outside of just his show?

01:19:56.000 And if not, because I've not seen it, I wonder why that is.

01:19:59.000 There's no way am I saying he's obligated to do so.

01:20:02.000 I'm just like, where are the people of wealth and means who are sick of all of this standing up and being like, F

01:20:08.000 you. 0.99

01:20:08.000 They're in this freaking room. 0.99

01:20:09.000 You should definitely have the Binds investor on the show, Aaron Wolf. 0.95

01:20:14.000 He is exactly what you're talking about.

01:20:15.000 I met him in Austin.

01:20:16.000 He's fantastic.

01:20:16.000 Love you, Aaron.

01:20:17.000 Part of the problem, unfortunately, is that a lot of the people with means have desires that go against, I think, where we would be at, where a lot of the American people would be at.

01:20:27.000 And so, you know, I'll tell you as, you know, we're a very conservative organization.

01:20:31.000 When we've been raising money for politics to get involved in these campaigns, it's really hard for conservatives especially to talk about, you know, raising money to do ads on abortion or on the trans stuff or any of that because the donors just aren't out there.

01:20:46.000 The donors are much more interested in giving, you know, for, you know, mass immigration or things like that.

01:20:51.000 And so I think that's a difficulty that we have.

01:20:54.000 I think one of the issues is that... Except for Elon.

01:20:57.000 You know, my view of capitalism is if you do good and you're effective, you will make money.

01:21:04.000 If you are providing a service, however, I don't believe in absolute unfettered free markets.

01:21:10.000 I think you'll end up with people doing really weird things like metaverse porn where people become carrots and that's probably going to happen anyway.

01:21:18.000 And I'm like, I'm pretty libertarian on that, but I do think it's bad for society as a whole, that we'll chase after self-gratification instead of going to space.

01:21:25.000 So I'm a huge fan of Elon Musk.

01:21:27.000 Go to Mars, Starship, Twitter stuff, Starlink, all really awesome stuff.

01:21:32.000 I look at it like traditional idealistic capitalism is, you invent a lightbulb, you illuminate the world, congratulations, you'll be made rich because of it, you are being rewarded by people for saying, we appreciate your service, and now you get to live comfortably because you did something great.

01:21:46.000 I think TimCast.com does really good things, and I think we're going to continue to grow and do more good things, and for it, we get rewarded for doing great things.

01:21:52.000 Nikola Tesla is an example of someone that didn't know how to capitalize.

01:21:55.000 What a brilliant, generous, good man from what I know about him, and man, he did not know how to write a patent, or whatever it was, whereas Einstein knew how to patent his stuff and became very, very wealthy.

01:22:04.000 And Nikola died a pauper, like he was alone.

01:22:07.000 He lived in a hotel room telling people he had a death laser to get to stop, not have to pay for his room every night.

01:22:12.000 Just a tragic story of not understanding capitalism.

01:22:15.000 And I agree that it is important to at least stay afloat.

01:22:18.000 But my light is in heaven, my friend.

01:22:20.000 I'm not if I make the light bulbs on earth.

01:22:22.000 I don't I don't want the money for it at this point, man.

01:22:25.000 I could be dead tomorrow.

01:22:26.000 I think is like a sort of leftist ideal.

01:22:31.000 Money is means.

01:22:32.000 It's access.

01:22:33.000 It's power.

01:22:34.000 So if you make code, and that code works really, really well, and you don't get money for it, how do you make more code?

01:22:42.000 How do you feed the people who are working for you?

01:22:44.000 You need what's called, I guess they would call it, not money, but what's the word when someone has capital?

01:22:51.000 You need capital, which is either workforce power or money.

01:22:55.000 So how do you feed the people who are going to do the work for you?

01:22:58.000 At that point, it's like, farm.

01:22:59.000 Grow your own food.

01:23:00.000 Inspire them to start growing their own food.

01:23:02.000 I don't know.

01:23:02.000 I can't feed everybody.

01:23:03.000 There's a guy down the street who's got a whole bunch of corn for sale.

01:23:06.000 He did the work.

01:23:06.000 Money's good.

01:23:07.000 Money's good.

01:23:08.000 Currency's cool, but we don't always have to use it.

01:23:10.000 This is one of, I think, the biggest mistakes that young people make when it comes to entrepreneurship.

01:23:16.000 I remember when I was younger and I was talking to some business people.

01:23:19.000 I was probably like 20 or 23 or something.

01:23:21.000 And then I was like, look, I don't care about a million bucks cash.

01:23:26.000 I care about making this thing that works.

01:23:27.000 We had a program for non-profit fundraising stuff.

01:23:30.000 And they said to me, kid, we'll give you some advice.

01:23:32.000 Never tell that to anybody.

01:23:33.000 Because investors who want to see this succeed understand that money is how it succeeds.

01:23:38.000 You can't run a company off good intentions.

01:23:40.000 How are you going to pay your staff?

01:23:42.000 How are they going to feed their family?

01:23:43.000 How are they going to pay their rent?

01:23:44.000 How are they going to pay their mortgage?

01:23:45.000 Making money doesn't mean you want a Ferrari.

01:23:48.000 It means you want to make sure the machine continues to feed the families of the people who work for you.

01:23:53.000 So you want to tell everybody, your goal is to make a company that makes money by doing good.

01:23:57.000 And I'm like, good point.

01:23:59.000 I get it.

01:23:59.000 And also, you talk about profit, because making money doesn't mean you're going to make profit.

01:24:02.000 So how much profit are you intending to make, and at what cost?

01:24:05.000 Psychological cost, or what damage to society?

01:24:08.000 It's a lot of unquantifiable concepts.

01:24:10.000 Everybody thinks they're the good guy.

01:24:12.000 Even the people who work for these big petroleum companies are convinced they're the good guys.

01:24:16.000 And these activists show up, and they say, you're destroying the planet, and they get violent, and the people who work for these oil companies are like, I'm doing everything in my power to make the world a better place.

01:24:24.000 You know, at Minds, we had to figure out how addictive do we want to make Minds.com?

01:24:29.000 And I was like, 89%?

01:24:29.000 That's not ethical.

01:24:31.000 You don't want it to be like a gambling network.

01:24:33.000 It's the same as how profitable do you want your private company to be?

01:24:36.000 Like Elon said, it's not about money.

01:24:37.000 Buying Twitter is not about money.

01:24:38.000 I assume he's planning on running it at a loss.

01:24:40.000 You know, he's just going to subsidize it.

01:24:43.000 I think he's talked with Morgan Stanley.

01:24:46.000 And if you go to Morgan Stanley and say, if you give me $13 billion, I will lose that money for you.

01:24:51.000 They're going to say, get out.

01:24:53.000 No, what he did was he went and said, I'm going to save you money.

01:24:55.000 How?

01:24:56.000 I'm going to, I'm going to dock pay and fire executive staff.

01:24:59.000 We're going to turn it around because take a look at this data, these metrics.

01:25:02.000 I'm going to put my own money in and collateral.

01:25:05.000 And then in three years, we're taking the company public again.

01:25:07.000 He exactly told them how to make money.

01:25:09.000 It does have to be successful to make an impact.

01:25:12.000 I mean.

01:25:13.000 And for that, you do need to be at least as addictive as your competitors, surely.

01:25:18.000 I don't know.

01:25:19.000 Maybe, but do you really want to play their game?

01:25:22.000 Like, can you become evil to beat evil?

01:25:24.000 I don't know if... I understand what you mean, but you can make it more addictive if you want to.

01:25:28.000 You know what I was thinking?

01:25:30.000 Mines has tokens, right?

01:25:32.000 When you use Mines.com, you can generate crypto that's worth money.

01:25:38.000 Every post should have a slot machine in it.

01:25:41.000 You could do that.

01:25:41.000 Then no one will ever leave the website.

01:25:43.000 That would be like a gamification mod for Mines that I built.

01:25:47.000 We could still install it one day where you get avatars and you can spend Mines tokens to get characters that you can send out on missions every day to go get.

01:25:54.000 And then if you click the notification at the right moment, then they get the item when they come back and then you have like a hall of fame with your item.

01:26:00.000 Like, you just dump money.

01:26:01.000 It's just a money sink.

01:26:02.000 But like, how gamified and addictive... Mine is just a beautiful piece of free software that I want to be... But it's like, yeah.

01:26:11.000 Like, how sensational do we need to be?

01:26:13.000 My biggest flaw in life, personally, is charity.

01:26:16.000 I'm too charitable.

01:26:17.000 I've always been too charitable.

01:26:18.000 I give my wealth away before I get it.

01:26:20.000 And I haven't used my money to make money because I feel like it just felt dirty.

01:26:23.000 So thank you for making the money for me, Tim.

01:26:26.000 Well, I'll give you a... I'll break it down for you in a way that you can understand, Ian.

01:26:31.000 You are playing a game of magic, and you have all of the planes before you with the good, righteous knights and the angels, and they're all good and charitable and trying to protect the people.

01:26:42.000 And so you say, I'm gonna give this power away.

01:26:45.000 And then along comes a necromancer, who's loaded with swamps, and he goes, Yes, Ian.

01:26:51.000 Give me the power!

01:26:51.000 I'll help everyone and you're like sounds good to me and you give him the power and then he laughs at you as he

01:26:56.000 Burns everything down charity. They say it's a virtue, but it's also a vice

01:26:59.000 It can be I guess very very evil people would love to get access to the free code

01:27:04.000 And let me just tell you these these left censorious people.

01:27:07.000 They like Zuckerberg He's probably so excited whenever he sees the free code

01:27:11.000 come out and he's like, great, I can add some of this to my empire.

01:27:13.000 Yeah, but he's gonna have to free his too. That would be great.

01:27:15.000 If YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter's code was available to make new networks with it all, that'd be super cool.

01:27:20.000 Why is it that Gab, Parler...

01:27:22.000 Interoperability is like a huge deal. That could really break the big tech power.

01:27:27.000 Why is it that the Twitter alternatives haven't taken off?

01:27:30.000 Like, why doesn't Mines have more users than Facebook?

01:27:33.000 I mean, it's better, right?

01:27:33.000 I think because Twitter was already there.

01:27:36.000 The first and best dressed, I've heard you mention before.

01:27:38.000 Right.

01:27:39.000 So with Facebook and Twitter, it's because people are there.

01:27:42.000 The real platform is the people.

01:27:44.000 I don't do anything on Facebook.

01:27:46.000 Facebook has all these weird features I don't care about.

01:27:49.000 I use Messenger.

01:27:50.000 Why?

01:27:51.000 Because people are on it.

01:27:52.000 And so when I want to message someone, I can message them on Facebook.

01:27:56.000 I use Twitter?

01:27:57.000 Mostly?

01:27:57.000 Well, mostly to just troll because people are on it.

01:28:00.000 But there's less of an impact on other platforms because people aren't on it.

01:28:03.000 I don't care what Twitter can do.

01:28:04.000 I can post words, people can get mad about it.

01:28:06.000 Yeah, it'd be cool if you could log into Twitter and then see your mines.

01:28:09.000 Like, it was linked to mines and to gas.

01:28:11.000 Sure, sure.

01:28:12.000 But what would happen if Twitter's code was forcibly revealed and released to the people?

01:28:17.000 Um, I can't, I can't foresee exactly.

01:28:19.000 Nothing.

01:28:20.000 Nobody would leave.

01:28:20.000 It would get used.

01:28:21.000 Yeah.

01:28:21.000 Nobody would go do anything.

01:28:23.000 Sure.

01:28:23.000 Maybe, maybe, maybe Gab might implement some of it.

01:28:26.000 Maybe Parler and Getter and Truth might implement some of it.

01:28:29.000 And Mines, we talked about.

01:28:30.000 And Mines.

01:28:30.000 And then everyone would be like, yeah, but everyone's on Twitter, so I'll use that instead.

01:28:33.000 Or you could, but you could get the same experience on, well, you'd have a different experience, but you'd have the same information from different, it just depends on how you want to go at it.

01:28:40.000 Do you want to come with your Gab, through Gab?

01:28:43.000 I think the issue is your perspective on this is rooted in... you're looking at code, because that's where you come from, not realizing that people care about people, not code.

01:28:51.000 No, I come from entertainment.

01:28:52.000 I'm an actor.

01:28:53.000 That's my... I mean, like, with Mines.

01:28:55.000 You're looking at these social media companies from this Mines perspective, and what makes Twitter work is that Twitter has people.

01:29:00.000 That's it.

01:29:01.000 Twitter could reduce the amount of characters back to 140.

01:29:05.000 It's still gonna be the dominant platform.

01:29:06.000 Which, which by the way is why, and I think Alam and I have both talked, written about this, but this is why the, you know, build your own doesn't work.

01:29:14.000 Unfortunately.

01:29:14.000 I really want Truth Social to work.

01:29:16.000 I really want Keter to work, but people want to go where the people are, right?

01:29:20.000 It's that little mermaid, right?

01:29:21.000 Like you can, you can, it's like, imagine if someone said, if, if the lake gets to a certain amount of users, they have to build a lake or give someone all of the means to build their own lake.

01:29:34.000 It's like, okay.

01:29:35.000 I go to the beach because there's fish.

01:29:37.000 Or I go to the lake to fish because there's fish.

01:29:39.000 If someone else builds a lake and there's no fish in it, I can't fish there.

01:29:42.000 But what you can do is build a channel from one lake to the other.

01:29:45.000 If there's, like, your lake has all the fish in the middle, and then there's, like, a thousand other lakes, but they have no fish, you just build a thousand canals.

01:29:51.000 But you can't... Everyone can fish together.

01:29:53.000 You can't force Twitter to allow that interoperability.

01:29:55.000 Oh, you can break up monopolies, that's for sure.

01:29:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:29:57.000 What I'm saying is... Some of the code doesn't change that.

01:30:00.000 If you're saying you want to pass a law that says they have to...

01:30:03.000 Create interoperability between other networks?

01:30:05.000 Let's have a conversation about that.

01:30:07.000 The ideal would be if it was easy for everyone to just make a post that it gets broadcast to Twitter, to Gab, to Minds, to all the platforms instantaneously.

01:30:17.000 But that doesn't happen without interoperability to some extent.

01:30:20.000 Yeah, we tried to do that with Minds in the early days, but we didn't have access to the code, so we couldn't do it.

01:30:25.000 Yeah.

01:30:26.000 Using their proprietary APIs and stuff.

01:30:28.000 Yeah, and the great thing about platforms like Mines and Gab that are based on values is that you know when you go on them, they're not going to sell you out in free speech.

01:30:36.000 It's not going to be like Twitter where they promised it to you in the first few years and then took it away from you years later after you built your following.

01:30:42.000 I think Gab may have banned advocacy of porn.

01:30:46.000 Yes, they did.

01:30:46.000 So they're not a completely free speech platform, but they're not going to ban you for political speech.

01:30:49.000 Oh, I don't agree.

01:30:50.000 I don't even, I don't even trust minds and I helped build the network.

01:30:53.000 You can't give that power to one person because if Bill leaves and another guy comes in, he can ban everyone.

01:30:58.000 But I think that's fine.

01:30:59.000 That's the private network if it wants to do it.

01:31:00.000 That's why I have my own version of it.

01:31:02.000 Will Gabb ban you for saying, I believe a law should be passed legalizing porn, blah, blah, blah.

01:31:09.000 My understanding is that Torba said, I could be wrong, so, you know, Torba, if I'm wrong about this, but there was a tweet where they said, you will not be allowed to advocate for this, you'll be banned, degenerate, or something like that.

01:31:19.000 I describe Gab as a free speech friendly platform.

01:31:23.000 For ideas that they like.

01:31:24.000 They're not completely free speech, I'll grant you that.

01:31:27.000 Well, I mean, to Gab's own admission.

01:31:29.000 They will admit that themselves, yes.

01:31:31.000 They're private companies.

01:31:32.000 They can ban whoever they want, and that shouldn't change.

01:31:34.000 But we should also be able to spin up our own versions of it so that I can ban whoever I want.

01:31:38.000 It'll create a marketplace of terms as opposed to a marketplace of code.

01:31:42.000 My position is, Gab is different than Twitter, right?

01:31:44.000 So I'm pretty comfortable with Gab banning whoever they want.

01:31:48.000 I don't want them to, but if they do, they do.

01:31:51.000 You know, if Christian Mingle wants to only have Christians on their site, that's fine. 0.95

01:31:54.000 But once you become the actual digital public square, you have different responsibilities.

01:31:58.000 And that's where, like, I think Section 230 comes in, ultimately.

01:32:01.000 Like, you know, we like Section 230 for the small guys, for the medium guys.

01:32:05.000 But once you're the largest guys, Twitter, Facebook, Google, I think you have an obligation to speech.

01:32:12.000 Wasn't the famous quote, free as in freedom, not as in beer, when it came to open source and free software?

01:32:17.000 Yeah, it doesn't mean it doesn't cost anything.

01:32:18.000 It means that it's free and available for people to use.

01:32:21.000 No, like, you're free in the United States.

01:32:23.000 That doesn't mean that you don't cost anything.

01:32:25.000 Free as in freedom means you can use these platforms to be free, but it's not free as in beer.

01:32:29.000 Like, we just give it to you.

01:32:31.000 Exactly.

01:32:31.000 Yeah, you can still sell free software, for instance.

01:32:34.000 My problem with what you're saying is having anyone in charge, even if Section 230 is like, you have to do this and this.

01:32:40.000 Having any one or group of people in charge of free speech is antithetical to free speech.

01:32:45.000 Agreed.

01:32:47.000 Well, I mean, the responsibility of government is to secure the liberties of its citizens.

01:32:51.000 So technically, I mean, that is putting free speech in the hands of government.

01:32:55.000 A government can either respect it or not respect it.

01:32:57.000 Government is irrelevant.

01:32:58.000 Culture is everything.

01:33:00.000 The Constitution says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

01:33:04.000 Good luck in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Hawaii, California.

01:33:10.000 I mean, the list goes on.

01:33:12.000 Your rights are absolutely infringed.

01:33:14.000 Maryland has banned the M1A.

01:33:14.000 I love bringing this up.

01:33:16.000 I believe it's a 308.

01:33:18.000 It might be a 762, actually.

01:33:22.000 They're sort of interchangeable, but the pressure is different.

01:33:24.000 IP762. Uh, SCAR-20S, the more AR style 308, legal!

01:33:24.000 So I think it might be 762.

01:33:29.000 It's, it's remarkably insane.

01:33:33.000 KSG-25, double mag tube, 25 round pump-action shotgun.

01:33:39.000 Totally legal!

01:33:41.000 Semi-auto Benelli?

01:33:43.000 Illegal!

01:33:44.000 The laws make literally no sense.

01:33:46.000 So your rights are infringed upon to absurd degrees.

01:33:49.000 It's about who's in charge and where they're in charge.

01:33:52.000 And, you know, we're talking about government solutions to the problem of tech centralization and big tech.

01:33:59.000 I help persuade Republicans that they should actually abandon some of the free market stuff when it comes to regulating big tech.

01:34:05.000 I was doing that when they had power in 2017 and 18, but the people who have power now are the Democrats

01:34:12.000 and they are never going to pass any kind of bill that will make censorship harder.

01:34:17.000 In fact, they're gonna try and pass bills that make censorship easier.

01:34:21.000 And that's something we have to be very cautious about because there are lots of interests

01:34:25.000 that want Republicans to jump on every single anti-big tech effort, just because anti-big tech,

01:34:30.000 but we need to look at the detail of the bills.

01:34:32.000 Then we need a convention of states and term limits because we can't get these people to vote term limits for

01:34:38.000 themselves.

01:34:39.000 But we need them out.

01:34:40.000 They don't understand what is going on in the tech sector.

01:34:43.000 There's too many of them and they don't know.

01:34:44.000 know this is crazy. Well let's take section 230 as an example. There are

01:34:47.000 many bad ways to reform section 230. Disney has been pushing section 230

01:34:53.000 reform behind the scenes in DC for a very long time because they they hate

01:34:58.000 big tech. They think big tech has made it easier to steal their copyrighted

01:35:01.000 materials. Their section 230 reforms are almost always bad.

01:35:06.000 In fact most of the section 230 reforms pushed by corporations are almost

01:35:10.000 There's just one specific part of the law that allows them to

01:35:10.000 always bad.

01:35:14.000 to censor anything they consider to be objectionable.

01:35:18.000 That is the part that needs to change.

01:35:20.000 And anything else that people are coming to you saying, we need to reform Section 230 this way or that,

01:35:24.000 or abolish it altogether, be very cautious of them.

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01:35:43.000 Let's read what you guys have to say.

01:35:46.000 Fairshark says, Can Ian explain why graphene is better than borafine, or is borafine the future?

01:35:52.000 I got sent the borafine.

01:35:53.000 Have you seen the video?

01:35:55.000 Forget graphene, borafine!

01:35:56.000 I'm like, alright, first of all, they're probably both awesome.

01:35:59.000 And I started to watch a video, I watched like three minutes of it.

01:36:02.000 I don't know.

01:36:02.000 I don't know anything about borafine yet.

01:36:03.000 I guess I should.

01:36:04.000 I got like 25 people have sent me that video.

01:36:07.000 Alright, Caleb South says, Ian is what happens when you put your points in intelligence and charisma, but use wisdom as a dump stat.

01:36:15.000 Love you man, never change.

01:36:16.000 Well, that's funny.

01:36:18.000 Maybe I'm not as wise as I think.

01:36:20.000 Wise.

01:36:21.000 Elvin says, Tornadoes in Oklahoma tonight just saw a pot farm get demolished on News 9.

01:36:25.000 Whoa, crazy, man.

01:36:26.000 Hope everybody's alright.

01:36:27.000 Do you guys see that viral video from the drone of the tornado ripping through?

01:36:30.000 Was it Kansas or something?

01:36:31.000 No.

01:36:32.000 Crazy video.

01:36:33.000 Just like houses just coming off the ground and just flying away.

01:36:33.000 Wild.

01:36:37.000 Yeah, we have these human problems, but it's good to put things in perspective sometimes.

01:36:43.000 Alright.

01:36:45.000 What is this?

01:36:46.000 Joseph Laliberte says, I want this guy with an accent to break me about why Argyle socks are better than just plain black ankle socks.

01:36:57.000 What?

01:36:58.000 Wait, I didn't even understand the question.

01:37:00.000 I think he's assuming you're wearing argyle socks.

01:37:02.000 Are you?

01:37:03.000 I'm wearing pure black socks right now.

01:37:04.000 Maybe I'm not a proper English person, I guess.

01:37:06.000 All right.

01:37:07.000 That's a, what's the word, amalgam?

01:37:10.000 Okay, we got a sweet chat from somebody with no name.

01:37:12.000 What say you about in vitro fertilization and the possible 10 plus fertilized eggs some of these women may have? 1.00

01:37:18.000 Should the states that outlaw abortion force women to birth all of these? 0.98

01:37:22.000 You're asking me?

01:37:24.000 I would say I really have a dark opinion of IVF because they are fertilizing and then discarding of many human eggs.

01:37:31.000 I see this as a big issue and I think we definitely need to reform that process.

01:37:34.000 I think that everyone should be looking at adoption before they look at IVF.

01:37:37.000 That's just my two cents.

01:37:39.000 Jumping back to socks, it just occurred to me that Justin Trudeau ruined elaborate socks for everyone.

01:37:42.000 Yeah, he did!

01:37:43.000 But so if a woman does get IV, or IVF, sorry, and she has ten, you know, viable fetuses in her, like, getting to work, what should she do?

01:37:52.000 Just have ten babies? 0.54

01:37:53.000 I don't know what to say to that.

01:37:55.000 She probably should have thought of that before she got IVF. 0.96

01:37:56.000 I figured that'd be the answer.

01:37:57.000 I see it's completely preventable, you know?

01:37:59.000 I don't know.

01:38:00.000 Tough.

01:38:01.000 It's kind of like how they used to have like ten kids and only two of them would survive, and now they're just doing it in the womb.

01:38:06.000 Alright, Adrienne Contreras says, this dude should be giving awesome gadgets to James Bond with that accent.

01:38:11.000 Did you know Alan is James Bond?

01:38:14.000 Yeah, he is, yes.

01:38:15.000 Ken says, heard 10-year-old in other room listening to Freedom Tunes.

01:38:19.000 He said it was recommended.

01:38:20.000 I don't talk politics with kid.

01:38:22.000 He assured me it's funny, dad.

01:38:24.000 That's right.

01:38:25.000 Freedom Tunes is very funny.

01:38:26.000 That's fantastic.

01:38:27.000 All right.

01:38:29.000 Caveman says, get Tom McDonald on the show.

01:38:30.000 Tim, you mentioned it a while back.

01:38:33.000 Yeah, I've talked to Tom before.

01:38:34.000 He's a rad dude.

01:38:35.000 It's up to him.

01:38:35.000 I mean, he's a busy guy, you know.

01:38:37.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:38:38.000 says, Biden, the great unifier.

01:38:40.000 It's working.

01:38:43.000 Matthew Reckham says, To everyone who keeps saying we're in dark times now, let me remind you that the movie Demolition Man, based on Brave New World and predicted self-driving electric cars, Zoom meetings, culturally enforced germophobia, and more is set in 2032.

01:38:58.000 Buckle up, Buttercup. 1.00

01:39:01.000 That is an absolute classic.

01:39:02.000 Everyone go watch that movie.

01:39:04.000 I love when they're like, he doesn't know how to use the shells.

01:39:06.000 That was good.

01:39:07.000 You saw it, right?

01:39:08.000 Demolition Man?

01:39:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:10.000 He gets frozen and goes to the future.

01:39:11.000 Yeah, and everyone's like... Oh no, I'm thinking of Judge Dredd.

01:39:16.000 Sorry.

01:39:16.000 They're very similar.

01:39:18.000 Demolition Man was Van Damme, right?

01:39:19.000 He gets frozen and then they take him out in the future to stop a terrorist.

01:39:23.000 Or am I thinking of Time Cop?

01:39:24.000 And every time he swears, a machine prints out a ticket, a fine for swearing.

01:39:27.000 He just swears a bunch more.

01:39:29.000 It's great.

01:39:30.000 All right, let's grab some more.

01:39:31.000 to the bathroom and he's like, how do I do this? There's no toilet paper and they're like, use the

01:39:34.000 shells. And he's like, what? So then he walks up and starts swearing and then takes all the paper

01:39:38.000 and goes to the bathroom with it. Oh, that's perfect. Yeah, it's a good movie. Free paper.

01:39:41.000 All right, let's grab some more. What is this?

01:39:46.000 Roberto Lara says, I was hoping for far right musketeers, but ultra MAGA sounds like whoever 0.67

01:39:54.000 wrote that for Biden copy, stole it from Goku's power levels.

01:39:58.000 Biden is literally stealing from history and making everyone forget the actual history.

01:40:02.000 Somebody said, I think I may have missed it, but they were like, we need a Trump anime, One Punch Man.

01:40:07.000 You guys ever see One Punch Man?

01:40:08.000 Yeah.

01:40:08.000 It was really, really popular among non-anime fans for some reason.

01:40:12.000 And it's like, it's a good. 0.99

01:40:14.000 It's about a guy who's just like, for some reason, godly and he'd like punch and defeat anybody, but he's kind of dumb. 0.99

01:40:21.000 So it's funny. 0.99

01:40:22.000 But I'd love to see a one Trump man.

01:40:24.000 And it's just like, someone made, um, there's an anime called My Hero Academia.

01:40:29.000 And they made it, there's the superhero in it that everyone loves is called All Might.

01:40:33.000 So then someone made a comic called Wall Might, and it's Trump as the main guy.

01:40:39.000 Superhero Trump.

01:40:40.000 Someone is working on an ultra-mega comic book right now.

01:40:43.000 It's gonna be great.

01:40:44.000 It's gonna be amazing.

01:40:45.000 Chris Light says, we love TimCast IRL, but Tim, please stop saying Russell Feathers.

01:40:49.000 It's Ruffle Feathers.

01:40:50.000 LMAO.

01:40:51.000 Russell Jimmies.

01:40:52.000 Russell Jimmies.

01:40:53.000 Is that what it is?

01:40:53.000 I was combining the two.

01:40:55.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:40:55.000 Good combo.

01:40:57.000 Joseph Liberty says, can you bring the dad off of Gen X Talks on here?

01:41:01.000 I don't know who that is.

01:41:02.000 Who is that?

01:41:02.000 Maybe.

01:41:06.000 All right.

01:41:07.000 Maxwell Griffin says, why don't people identify as Supreme Court justices and vote to uphold Roe v. Wade?

01:41:11.000 That's a great idea.

01:41:13.000 I identify.

01:41:14.000 They want to expand the court.

01:41:16.000 Cigars and Sig Arms.

01:41:17.000 The U.S.

01:41:18.000 government is the most violent and extreme group that has ever existed in this country.

01:41:22.000 Their body count of innocent people is in the millions.

01:41:24.000 Beast.

01:41:25.000 Yeah, I believe that is true and correct.

01:41:27.000 Lots of children, too, under Obama.

01:41:29.000 Dead.

01:41:31.000 Alright.

01:41:31.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:41:32.000 says, will it ever stop?

01:41:33.000 Yo, I don't know.

01:41:35.000 Light up the base and I'll glow to the extreme.

01:41:37.000 I rock MAGA-like Ultra Civil War.

01:41:40.000 Yeah, Tim told ya.

01:41:41.000 Ice Ice Baby.

01:41:42.000 Wonderful!

01:41:43.000 Alright.

01:41:46.000 Well, I don't completely disagree with that, but the right's sure been winning a whole lot of stuff in the past week or so.

01:41:50.000 It's been crazy.

01:41:50.000 It's been great.

01:41:51.000 It's been just chaos and implosion among the left.

01:41:54.000 right Her husband works for Soros.

01:42:13.000 No way.

01:42:14.000 Really?

01:42:14.000 Is that true?

01:42:15.000 Oh, that's insane.

01:42:15.000 Interesting.

01:42:16.000 Hmm.

01:42:17.000 Interesting.

01:42:20.000 All right.

01:42:20.000 Cornelius says, I missed last night's stream, so I'm sending this now.

01:42:23.000 Ian, the human brain isn't finished developing until around 25 years old, so can we abort children and young adults then?

01:42:31.000 Being born doesn't make you human, it is what you are.

01:42:34.000 No, abort is in reference to a pregnancy that is aborted, so anyone that's already born cannot be aborted by that definition.

01:42:41.000 Also, no, the answer is no to your question.

01:42:46.000 Paul Renfer says, when is the Freedom Tunes stereotypical animation parody where Trump supporters power up and get Trump hair?

01:42:52.000 Yeah.

01:42:53.000 Oh, that's a good bit, actually.

01:42:55.000 Their hair turns gold, but instead of spiking like Goku, it swirls like Trump.

01:42:58.000 Yes.

01:43:00.000 Ultra mega.

01:43:03.000 Navy Sooner says, since we know what National Socialism is, can we change the Dem Party to the Glotzy Party? 0.84

01:43:10.000 Global Socialist Party?

01:43:12.000 Time to start demonizing them like they do to everybody else. 1.00

01:43:15.000 You know, I think what works, though, is that we don't play their stupid games. 1.00

01:43:18.000 Right. 1.00

01:43:19.000 That regular people are looking for the truth, and when the Democrats lie, they go... If you just come out and start lying the way they do, people are going to be like, eh, screw it. 0.91

01:43:26.000 What's the point?

01:43:27.000 And you have to have the institutional power to lie and get away with it.

01:43:30.000 If we lie, they'll just point it out.

01:43:32.000 Well, I think when boomers age out, as it were, cable news is gone.

01:43:39.000 Just completely gone.

01:43:41.000 Unless Congress protects that.

01:43:43.000 Bails them out.

01:43:44.000 Yeah.

01:43:45.000 But the key demo viewership is in the hundreds of thousands.

01:43:49.000 I think Tucker Carlson is like 4 or 500.

01:43:50.000 And then CNN is like 89,000 people.

01:43:54.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:43:54.000 I posted a Chicken City video and it got more views than some of these hosts on CNN get.

01:43:59.000 It's remarkable.

01:44:03.000 I will say politicians do listen to the old media more than new media because they don't understand new media and how powerful it is.

01:44:10.000 It depends.

01:44:11.000 If they want to run for president, then they start to listen to the new media.

01:44:14.000 They actually say that this new alternative media is the fifth estate.

01:44:17.000 And I guess the first three estates are the three branches of government.

01:44:20.000 I had to look it up.

01:44:21.000 I was really curious.

01:44:22.000 OG Lesbian says, Tim, I'm still laughing at the firefighter comment the other day, although we don't agree on everything.

01:44:28.000 I love watching your show. 0.62

01:44:28.000 Hey, really appreciate it. 0.62

01:44:29.000 What comment?

01:44:30.000 We were, when we were talking about, was that, was that the story, the joke we made about how the woman would give birth to a baby?

01:44:35.000 Oh yeah.

01:44:36.000 Leave it at the fire department.

01:44:37.000 You can drop babies off at the fire department.

01:44:39.000 And then the joke was like, this is actually how you make new firefighters.

01:44:44.000 Daily polish, Chuck.

01:44:45.000 Yeah, they have to they have to raise the baby now.

01:44:47.000 And the baby is like just like the firefighter teaching how to fight fires.

01:44:51.000 And then you end up with this superhero firefighter telling a story about how he came to be the best firefighter in the world.

01:44:56.000 I love it.

01:44:57.000 That was really funny.

01:44:59.000 The firefighters teaching him to cook. 0.93

01:45:02.000 OG Lesbian says, I'm convinced my mom is a NPC. 0.99

01:45:05.000 Oh no. 0.99

01:45:05.000 I'm sad to hear it. 0.99

01:45:06.000 That sucks. 0.99

01:45:08.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:45:09.000 When you talk to the DMT people, proponents of it, about this stuff, it's weird how the psychedelic and the political kind of merge.

01:45:18.000 Because a lot of people were saying NPC, non-player character, as kind of an insult, referencing someone just not paying attention and not caring.

01:45:25.000 But then you talk to the people about DMT and you're like, oh man.

01:45:29.000 Because, you know, we were talking to Michael Malice, and I may be getting this wrong, but he was saying, like, we're, like, meat puppets of some kind of entities or something.

01:45:39.000 And then I'm like, what if some people don't have an entity controlling them the way, you know, you do when you do DMT?

01:45:45.000 Like, are those NPCs?

01:45:46.000 Calcification of the pineal gland.

01:45:49.000 They can be shaken awake, of course.

01:45:50.000 You can't have an NPC without PC in there.

01:45:53.000 Yeah, they seem like NPCs because they're not like aware, as aware as you are, but that doesn't mean that they're not available to play.

01:46:02.000 Sean Anderson says there are two things that hold the USA together.

01:46:06.000 Boomers and the dollar.

01:46:07.000 The next 10 years we'll see both become irrelevant.

01:46:10.000 Yeah, we were talking about the Russia-Ukraine stuff.

01:46:12.000 The dollar, the American hegemony over the dollar.

01:46:14.000 This is something that's going to be a huge story coming up because Russia found ways to kind of go around by selling their oil.

01:46:21.000 They're in an alliance with China on this stuff, so it's going to be really, really scary. 0.97

01:46:25.000 It's interesting because when we talk about, um, Strauss-Howe generational theory, we're looking at, I think, the end of the winter, the fourth turning, in 2028, which means 2026 should be extreme turmoil.

01:46:38.000 I wonder if four more years is enough to see many boomers and older generation leave, younger generation come in that will create a massive upset. 0.99

01:46:46.000 I don't know.

01:46:49.000 It's possible.

01:46:50.000 I fear my concern is without term limits in Congress that it won't.

01:46:54.000 They're just going to ride the wave into the ground.

01:46:56.000 I can't.

01:46:57.000 Mathematically, I don't see any other.

01:46:59.000 It seems probable.

01:47:01.000 I'm into term limits.

01:47:02.000 Ready to rumbles as I can't.

01:47:03.000 The question is, where are the time limits for the deep state?

01:47:06.000 Yeah.

01:47:07.000 Four years.

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 For all administrative state.

01:47:10.000 You'd have to do both.

01:47:11.000 That's what Thomas Massey said, too.

01:47:11.000 I think you would have.

01:47:13.000 I think it was Thomas.

01:47:13.000 Yeah.

01:47:15.000 No, it wasn't.

01:47:16.000 Sorry to interrupt you.

01:47:16.000 It was.

01:47:17.000 Ready to Rumble says, I can't believe you just med Seinfeld.

01:47:20.000 Seinfeld was the funniest TV show ever created.

01:47:22.000 You need more Seinfeld in your life, Tim.

01:47:24.000 You know, maybe it was at the time, because I remember watching it, but I wonder if it's like a certain kind of humor for what, like Boomers and Gen X?

01:47:32.000 It's a show about nothing.

01:47:33.000 Yeah.

01:47:33.000 It's not a show about nothing.

01:47:34.000 It's a show about four friends who have emotional problems and, and like, That was that was the idea.

01:47:40.000 They tried claiming Seinfeld to show about nothing.

01:47:42.000 No, it's for friends and They have interpersonal drama like any other sitcom It's about a comedian living in New York with a wacky neighbor and a short friend who has life troubles And there were a lot of really the show was really funny in a lot of ways But I feel like that kind of humor.

01:47:57.000 Maybe it was a lot funnier back in the day I don't find it as funny today.

01:47:59.000 It was groundbreaking when it came out, right?

01:48:02.000 It was a Michael Richards really one of my physical comedy was off the charts.

01:48:06.000 I One of my favorite episodes.

01:48:07.000 Well, I just watched a funny bit.

01:48:08.000 It was on, I think Reddit post.

01:48:09.000 Someone posted it on Twitter.

01:48:10.000 Uh, who was it?

01:48:11.000 It might've been Elijah Schaefer posted this.

01:48:13.000 He, uh, someone said, everyone needs a friend like Kramer.

01:48:16.000 Kramer walks into Jerry's apartment and he's like, Hey, I got to go over to do this thing.

01:48:19.000 Do you want to?

01:48:20.000 And then Kramer goes, sure.

01:48:21.000 And he's like, I could have just said anything, huh?

01:48:23.000 And he's like, I don't know, just walk out.

01:48:25.000 Kramer was great.

01:48:26.000 I was thinking about this recently.

01:48:28.000 I think traditional comedians can't compete with the Internet because they don't have that instant feedback.

01:48:33.000 Like, they never had to subject themselves to Reddit upvotes or having replies on a 4chan thread.

01:48:39.000 Well, comedians go do stand-up to test out their jokes and then go on tour.

01:48:45.000 With the Internet, you can try things out in real time.

01:48:47.000 Yeah, and you're doing it with thousands and tens of thousands of people. 0.96

01:48:50.000 One of the best episodes of Seinfeld is when George decides to do everything the opposite of what he would normally do, because he's like, his life sucks.

01:48:57.000 He can't get a date.

01:48:58.000 His job is, you know, so he's like, whatever I'm going to do, I'm gonna do the opposite of it.

01:49:01.000 And so he like orders the opposite sandwich than you normally would.

01:49:04.000 Everything goes great for him.

01:49:05.000 That was brilliant writing.

01:49:07.000 That was great.

01:49:07.000 I thought Larry David's Steinbrenner was incredible.

01:49:11.000 Incredible.

01:49:12.000 Oh, I figured out it was Tom Garrett that was talking about term limits for the administrative state when he was on the show.

01:49:18.000 Ah, yes.

01:49:19.000 We've had many a conversation about limits.

01:49:20.000 It's tough.

01:49:20.000 It is a difficult conversation because then you get rid of the Ron Pauls, you know?

01:49:24.000 Or the Rand Pauls, but like we said up to now, I love Rand Paul, I love Rand Paul, and then you see he votes for something or he's unsupportive for something like what we were talking about earlier.

01:49:31.000 James Nelson says, Ian doesn't get it.

01:49:33.000 The code is worthless and can be reverse engineered.

01:49:36.000 Big Tech's power comes from its user base.

01:49:38.000 They have critical mass.

01:49:39.000 Yeah, that's why the interoperability part of it.

01:49:41.000 So you get not only the software code, but the access to the people as well.

01:49:45.000 I don't know how you mandate a company to build a thing, you know?

01:49:49.000 Like, you can't go to an Apple orchard and be like, we mandate that you build an Apple launcher.

01:49:53.000 They're gonna be like, okay, we can't do that.

01:49:55.000 Well, you have to!

01:49:55.000 You mean command Google to interoperate with other people?

01:50:00.000 Going to Twitter and saying, you need to now make your company able to interact with other networks in it, they can be like, you're asking us to build a thing we don't know how to build.

01:50:08.000 No, that has happened before.

01:50:09.000 They did it to the telephone companies way back in the day.

01:50:11.000 They did it to British retail banks after the financial crisis.

01:50:15.000 They forced them to give all their customers their data in a universal standardized format so they could easily transfer it between banks.

01:50:24.000 Interesting.

01:50:25.000 But so I'm talking about they have to build a bridge.

01:50:27.000 So I suppose it's one thing to be like, I think the EU wanted to standardize phone chargers so that every phone would use the same charger and they'd stop having this problem with all these different chargers.

01:50:37.000 The issue with Twitter is that you're asking them to build a protocol for which their things on Twitter can be transported in real time actively forever between different networks.

01:50:49.000 I think that it's already there.

01:50:50.000 It's just proprietary at this point.

01:50:50.000 It's there.

01:50:52.000 The API.

01:50:53.000 It's a question of, you know, can they continue to be profitable and be a successful business if you ask them to do this?

01:50:59.000 Where I don't think it's ever fair or smart for government to say, let's, you know, force this company to build this and then they would rather go out of business.

01:51:07.000 Right.

01:51:07.000 It's it's it's I don't think it's possible to force their API open to require Twitter to send their data out to third parties because it would But if you're on Gab and I'm reading your Twitter feed, Twitter's still getting my activity, even though I'm on Gab.

01:51:19.000 and then they're losing what makes the network work in the first place.

01:51:22.000 Twitter needs to be able to make money unless you want to nationalize it and

01:51:24.000 pay for it through taxpayers.

01:51:26.000 Then it's forced subsidization.

01:51:27.000 But if Twitter has to give its code away and then people do decide with

01:51:31.000 interoperability, I can go to Gab instead.

01:51:34.000 Then Twitter loses membership in advertising revenue and collapses.

01:51:37.000 But if you're on, if you're on Gab and I'm reading your Twitter feed, Twitter

01:51:41.000 still getting my activity, even though I'm on Gab, but they're not running ads.

01:51:45.000 No, I think the ad revenue model is dead.

01:51:47.000 So then they're not going to get the memberships?

01:51:50.000 You might be able to work out memberships where like if someone subscribes to the mega network or that Twitter gets 24%, Gab gets 20%, Mines gets 20%, or if you subscribe and you're connected with like what networks are you in that you want to pay for, they all get a piece of it with a smart contract?

01:52:05.000 I don't think the answer is for the government to go in with a sledgehammer and just destroy Twitter, as much as I like the idea.

01:52:12.000 I think it's that we have to build these open source interoperable systems and make people use them.

01:52:18.000 Also, do we like the idea?

01:52:20.000 This is another reason I want to come back to, you know, look at what the tech regulations are on an individual level and also who they apply to.

01:52:27.000 You know, you asked me two months ago, should we regulate Twitter?

01:52:29.000 I'd say yes.

01:52:30.000 You asked me today, I'd say no, maybe not.

01:52:32.000 Because it's not about, you know, do we support regulation or do we not support regulation, but who's in charge, who's in charge of enforcing the regulation, wackos at the FTC, and who's going to be affected by them.

01:52:44.000 Luckily, not Twitter under most of the antitrust laws, but I'm sure the Democrats will try.

01:52:48.000 Also, what is the regulation?

01:52:50.000 That's a vague term.

01:52:51.000 Right, exactly.

01:52:51.000 You gotta look at each individual proposed regulation to see what it does, and importantly, who will enforce it.

01:52:58.000 There's a crazy person they hired at the FTC called Meredith Whittaker, and the FTC is going to be enforcing a lot of the antitrust stuff.

01:53:05.000 I think Zack Bell might have the best response to Ian.

01:53:07.000 He says, Please explain how freeing the code won't just open up the floodgates to allow hackers to utilize or even destroy the system.

01:53:15.000 Um, well, there's security code that you don't have to open up, but as long as the network itself is available to be interoperated with from a user-based perspective, I think that kind of solves the problem.

01:53:25.000 And then what they'll do is they'll entwine specific core functionality with security and say, you can't do anything about it.

01:53:30.000 Yeah, I've never seen a network have all their security open.

01:53:35.000 I mean, that makes no sense.

01:53:36.000 That'd be like leaving copies of your key on the front porch, you know?

01:53:39.000 Ian, if they don't give up their code for security, how could someone actually spin up their own version?

01:53:47.000 You don't need, you don't, well, they would get destroyed.

01:53:49.000 See, I'm not a code guy.

01:53:50.000 I'm not a coder.

01:53:51.000 So I would like to bring people that are code developers in to talk, have a greater conversation about that.

01:53:55.000 Cause that's a good question.

01:53:56.000 So, uh, to clarify, to expand upon this for those that don't understand the, if a random, if, if the whole world knew Facebook's code, they would find every exploit imaginable to break in, spy, steal, and destroy everything from the company.

01:54:13.000 You'd also have people empowering, like strengthening the code and making it more resistant.

01:54:17.000 That's not, it's not open source.

01:54:18.000 So they could probably do like bug hunt and then good people might help, but they're called zero.

01:54:23.000 So a zero day exploit means it spent zero days in the public sphere.

01:54:27.000 You open up the code from these companies and.

01:54:30.000 You're going to have a million hackers discovering a million zero days, and then you're going to cross your fingers the good guys will find out.

01:54:36.000 Yeah, Mines doesn't have their security code is not free.

01:54:41.000 That would be insane, because then people could just hack it like you're saying.

01:54:43.000 But you can still interoperate with Mines.

01:54:45.000 What about the code for logging in?

01:54:48.000 I don't know.

01:54:49.000 I don't know.

01:54:49.000 I gotta ask Bill.

01:54:50.000 I'd have to go.

01:54:50.000 Because if they release their code that allows you to create your login system, then you are not secure and anyone can just enter your account.

01:54:57.000 Yeah, we need a unique login, like a passport, where you can log into other networks with your personal passport wallet type thing.

01:55:03.000 Like Facebook.

01:55:04.000 Well, it's kind of what we're building with the foundation.

01:55:06.000 I think the issue is any code for any functionality of mines that goes out allows someone to exploit the system and makes it so you're not safe.

01:55:15.000 Any so they have to any code.

01:55:17.000 And I was reading all about the ones in chat.

01:55:19.000 Sorry, I was distracted.

01:55:20.000 The code for for like the recommendation algorithm.

01:55:23.000 That's probably fine.

01:55:24.000 But someone will then exploit the recommendation algorithm to

01:55:27.000 maximize viewership for themselves.

01:55:28.000 If it's one, I'm really not as concerned with security as I am

01:55:31.000 with freedom at this point.

01:55:33.000 I, I could agree with that to the extent that for this show, for

01:55:39.000 instance, we have to have security because.

01:55:41.000 I'm not saying that we shouldn't have security.

01:55:43.000 But at a certain point, you get so big, you have to have it.

01:55:46.000 If we didn't have security, I don't know if we could keep doing the show.

01:55:49.000 In the United States, they say it's freedom, then security.

01:55:51.000 But without the security, we wouldn't have no freedom.

01:55:53.000 If we didn't guard and protect our borders and our streets with police and military, we wouldn't be free to walk around without getting our back stabbed.

01:55:58.000 So the issue is Facebook is so big, If they released their code, they would be destroyed instantly.

01:56:04.000 I don't think so.

01:56:05.000 No, it's too big.

01:56:06.000 It would take a long time and bad policies for them to lose their users at that point.

01:56:12.000 Let's read some more Super Chats!

01:56:15.000 Sterile Hybrid says, this is for last night's episode, As an intersex person, I'm no fan of trans ideology.

01:56:20.000 Sex does not exist on a spectrum.

01:56:22.000 As a result of my condition, I'm a mix between the two.

01:56:25.000 Not some magical third sex, nor a transgender prop. 0.97

01:56:28.000 Interesting.

01:56:31.000 James says Coca-Cola has a billion users a day.

01:56:33.000 Should they release their secret recipe?

01:56:35.000 Not unless they're part of the commons.

01:56:38.000 What does that mean?

01:56:39.000 If everyone uses Coca-Cola's network every day to communicate with each other or to get from place to place.

01:56:46.000 Alright, Calvin Ramsey says, Hey Tim, 30-year-old skater here.

01:56:49.000 Curious who your favorite skaters are currently.

01:56:52.000 Been digging Ace Pelka and Mike Anderson lately.

01:56:56.000 Love the show.

01:56:57.000 Johnny Geiger is... I hope I'm getting his name right.

01:57:01.000 Yeah, Johnny.

01:57:02.000 One of the best.

01:57:03.000 He's a flip trick guy.

01:57:05.000 And just absolutely one of the best.

01:57:07.000 Really great game of skate with him over at the Barracks.

01:57:10.000 I forgot the name of the guy he was up against.

01:57:12.000 Jocelyn, I'm actually wearing his shoes right now.

01:57:15.000 And these are like some of the best shoes.

01:57:16.000 Oh, you can't even see it because the camera's in the way.

01:57:19.000 So I got the Jocelyn's on right now.

01:57:20.000 These are great shoes.

01:57:21.000 I've mostly been doing inline recently.

01:57:25.000 Just because I'm just having fun.

01:57:27.000 Just doing something new and something different.

01:57:29.000 So I haven't, I just kind of felt like I got to the point in skateboarding where I've done too much.

01:57:35.000 Like, I've just done so much in skateboarding.

01:57:37.000 I wanted to do something different.

01:57:38.000 So I started blading.

01:57:39.000 We got some people here who blade and everyone kind of does it.

01:57:42.000 The other issue too was we built the skate park.

01:57:44.000 Nobody used it.

01:57:45.000 It was literally just me skating by myself all the time.

01:57:48.000 And the thing about inline is that almost everyone knows how to inline.

01:57:52.000 So it's like you get a pair of blades and someone can put them on and at least ride around and go do stuff.

01:57:56.000 So it's actually just easier to do community stuff with inline.

01:58:00.000 But still skating every so often.

01:58:03.000 I thought a good thing to get would be those rings, you know, the hanging, swinging rings.

01:58:07.000 Like, that'd be a cool thing to get.

01:58:08.000 Yeah, we gotta, we wanna do some kind of, like, parkour little thing.

01:58:12.000 Maybe we can do it in the front.

01:58:13.000 Because, arm day.

01:58:15.000 Gotta get, gotta get arm day.

01:58:18.000 All right.

01:58:19.000 Hugh Jennings says, never listened to Alan before.

01:58:21.000 His voice reminds me of Alec Guinness.

01:58:23.000 A lot of people commenting on your voice.

01:58:25.000 That's a huge, a huge compliment.

01:58:26.000 I am going to give gadgets to James Bond after this, by the way.

01:58:29.000 He's just finishing his, uh, gender transition.

01:58:32.000 Oh yes.

01:58:33.000 And racial transition, right?

01:58:34.000 That's right.

01:58:36.000 Okay.

01:58:38.000 What did we do?

01:58:38.000 I just had one.

01:58:39.000 Where did it go?

01:58:42.000 Stuart Cooper says Techie Me partially sees Ian's point of view on the free of the source code, but Creator Me sees an issue.

01:58:48.000 The intellectual property loss could apply to written work such as novels and screenplays.

01:58:52.000 Not if they're not the commons.

01:58:53.000 This is a very unique type of technology.

01:58:57.000 Screenplays are not used to communicate across large swaths.

01:59:01.000 No, I'm talking about communication tech platforms.

01:59:04.000 It's a very specific function.

01:59:06.000 I don't know, maybe there would have to be something like... Well, first of all, the security issue, I think you can't get around.

01:59:11.000 Like, if people can see the code for how Messenger works on Facebook, they will learn how to inject and take over Messenger.

01:59:17.000 And you can already do it.

01:59:18.000 China will do it. 0.96

01:59:19.000 Well, so, when I went to Venezuela, I was, say, you know, doing a bit of trolling, too, because they were threatening me and stuff.

01:59:26.000 When I left, I got a message from a friend of mine saying, dude, what's going on?

01:59:30.000 The FBI called me.

01:59:31.000 You need to call me back right now.

01:59:33.000 So I call him, he doesn't answer.

01:59:34.000 Call him, he doesn't answer.

01:59:35.000 Call him, he doesn't answer.

01:59:36.000 Wait a few hours, he calls me back and he's like, this is someone I hadn't talked to in like four years.

01:59:41.000 And he was like, dude, what's going on?

01:59:43.000 You calling me all morning?

01:59:44.000 And I was like, what's up with this FBI hitting you up?

01:59:46.000 And he says, what are you talking about?

01:59:48.000 And I was like, you messaged me on Facebook.

01:59:51.000 And he was like, no, no, I didn't do that.

01:59:52.000 I haven't talked to you in like four years.

01:59:54.000 And I was like, OK, I got a message from you on Facebook saying the FBI called you.

01:59:57.000 It's like, bro, I didn't I didn't do that.

02:00:00.000 So what we think was I consulted with some security experts.

02:00:03.000 I screenshotted the image, sent it to him.

02:00:05.000 I think I still have it, actually.

02:00:06.000 I think I posted it not too long ago.

02:00:08.000 And what they said was Venezuelan hackers did an injection attack on Facebook.

02:00:15.000 They knew where to send certain information to make it appear as though my friend had messaged me.

02:00:20.000 They wanted me to make a phone call so they could pinpoint my location by triangulating cell towers.

02:00:26.000 They thought I was still in the country.

02:00:27.000 I wasn't.

02:00:27.000 Yeah, those networks are compromised anyway.

02:00:29.000 And we need peer-to-peer encrypted messaging on basically as a function written into our daily behavior.

02:00:36.000 McChilla says Facebook has an entire library of open source code to support developers.

02:00:40.000 It literally took me 15 seconds to figure that out on Google.

02:00:43.000 There's some, yeah.

02:00:44.000 Most companies have some open source code.

02:00:46.000 Google does, too.

02:00:47.000 Alphabet, I guess I should call it.

02:00:48.000 SeriouslyJK says, Ian, I am an expert on IP law and am a SME in software architecture.

02:00:55.000 You have no idea what your ideas even mean.

02:00:57.000 You don't understand open source, SW licenses, or business.

02:01:01.000 It's brutal to listen to you say this stuff.

02:01:03.000 That's really vague, man.

02:01:04.000 You gotta be a little more specific if you want to make an argument.

02:01:06.000 Max Stahl says, Tim have you ever thought about what it'd be like to be the carrot from pajama Sam? What is pajama

02:01:14.000 I don't know what that means Jxn says Twitter is working on freeing the code by

02:01:14.000 Sam?

02:01:20.000 developing an open standard for social media See Jack Dorsey's December 11th through 19th thread on Twitter.

02:01:27.000 Search Twitter is funding a small on Google first result.

02:01:30.000 Yeah, I know he's been saying he's never done it.

02:01:32.000 That's why I'm kind of like, eh, I don't know, whatever.

02:01:34.000 We're working on right now with open index protocol as part of the package that we're building right now.

02:01:41.000 All right, Patrice Bake, we'll do this last one, says, Lydia, Karlyn Borisenko challenged you to a boxing match. 1.00

02:01:47.000 She's well informed about women leaving the left. 1.00

02:01:50.000 Boxing match, huh?

02:01:52.000 I'm pretty sure I'm about a foot taller than her, but we could try.

02:01:55.000 We're probably in different weight classes.

02:01:57.000 Might be fun.

02:01:58.000 Well, all right.

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02:02:22.000 I guess me saying that has resulted in people following me on Twitter, because I was just thinking, like, why do I have so many Twitter followers?

02:02:28.000 I guess that's it!

02:02:29.000 Well, thank you for following me!

02:02:30.000 Elon's probably helping too.

02:02:31.000 Yeah, Elon tweeted out that meme and me crazy days.

02:02:34.000 Uh, Alan, you guys want to shout anything out, Alan?

02:02:36.000 Uh, just as always, follow my writing at BrightBartNews.

02:02:40.000 I post my articles on Twitter as well for the latest happenings in the world of Silicon Valley bias and censorship.

02:02:47.000 I have a big paper coming out tomorrow about Big Tech's interference in the 2020 election.

02:02:51.000 It's bigtechpaper.app.

02:02:54.000 Cool.

02:02:54.000 Awesome.

02:02:55.000 What's your Twitter handle?

02:02:55.000 And Twitter?

02:02:56.000 JohnSchweppe.

02:02:57.000 Beautiful.

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02:03:05.000 I had a great time learning about all this techie stuff and a lot of fun talking to these two cool dudes.

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