Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Calls For Biden REMOVAL Over Mental Failing After INSANE Presser w-Jason Miller

00:00:02.000 Joe Biden held a press conference for the first time in, what, almost two and a half months.

00:00:08.000 And he said some pretty outrageous things, I guess.

00:00:11.000 One that really caught my attention was when he effectively said that we will stop Russia if they invade Ukraine, unless it's like a minor incursion, then we'll talk about it.

00:00:20.000 And many people were like, yo, did he just greenlight Russia to invade Ukraine, saying we don't know if we'll respond?

00:00:26.000 And I'm torn because I'm like, well, I don't want to get involved in a war with Ukraine, but perhaps the way we do avoid the war is by being like, Russia, don't do it.

00:00:34.000 Neither of us want a war.

00:00:36.000 But if you're outright going to be like, yeah, go ahead and do it.

00:00:38.000 Then you're going to get a war. 0.76

00:00:40.000 Then Biden will use that invasion as pretext for escalated action.

00:00:43.000 And then, in my opinion, they want war.

00:00:45.000 They'll start a war because they want to boost Joe Biden's approval ratings because war tends to do that for presidents.

00:00:50.000 But we'll see.

00:00:51.000 Considering how Joe Biden completely screwed up Afghanistan, I think ultimately the dude is just kind of out of it.

00:00:57.000 So here's what happens.

00:00:58.000 On Twitter, we get a viral trend.

00:01:00.000 25th Amendment.

00:01:01.000 This means people are saying Joe Biden should be removed from the presidency.

00:01:05.000 And the funny thing is, even though everyone should agree with that, even on the left, the left just comes out and starts arguing about Trump. 0.97

00:01:12.000 And I'm just like, I don't think they understand that a lot of the people who are saying Joe Biden ain't with it would probably agree Trump said stupid things too, and we're not talking about that. 0.97

00:01:20.000 But we'll get into that. 0.95

00:01:21.000 We got a bunch of other stories, a lot having to do with Joe Biden.

00:01:24.000 But we also have the story about NPR lying about Neil Gorsuch not wearing a mask and Sotomayor not wanting to be in the chambers with them.

00:01:34.000 Because of it, we at TimCast actually wrote that story up.

00:01:38.000 NPR got it wrong.

00:01:40.000 Both justices have denied, saying it's fake news.

00:01:43.000 So here we go, a major lesson in fake news.

00:01:45.000 We'll talk about all this stuff, plus the 5G rollout disrupting airlines.

00:01:51.000 I thought the 5G stuff was a conspiracy theory, but sure.

00:01:51.000 This is getting weird.

00:01:55.000 Joining us to talk about all of this and social media censorship is the CEO of Getter, Jason Miller.

00:02:01.000 Thanks for coming, man.

00:02:02.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:02.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:02:04.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:02:05.000 Jason Miller, I'm the CEO of Getter, fastest growing social media platform in world history.

00:02:09.000 We're up to just under four and a half million users.

00:02:12.000 We got to a million users after three days, about a million and a half after 10 days.

00:02:16.000 So we're fastest to one, two, three, four.

00:02:18.000 By comparison, Facebook took about 10 months to get to their first million.

00:02:21.000 So this thing has taken off like a rocket ship.

00:02:24.000 And really the principles on free speech and that's the big differential between us and the big tech platforms, which I know we're going to go into a whole bunch of this show.

00:02:32.000 So if you're logged on here and you're watching or catching on the podcast, I know you got a lot of questions.

00:02:38.000 We'll be diving into it.

00:02:39.000 Yes.

00:02:40.000 So super chat us because we're going to, you know, we're not going to hold back.

00:02:43.000 We're going to ask everything and anything and everything.

00:02:45.000 But where did you work before you were doing Getter?

00:02:48.000 So I worked for President Trump in both his 2016 and 2020 campaigns.

00:02:52.000 And then after the 2020 campaign, I stayed and worked for him for about six months or so.

00:02:57.000 So I led the effort on his second impeachment defense, which we went through, which is another circus.

00:03:02.000 We can dive into the details on that.

00:03:04.000 I have a couple of fun stories on that one.

00:03:06.000 Uh, and then worked for President Trump up until June.

00:03:09.000 But during that process, while I was working for President Trump and all the social media platforms and people who were starting platforms were coming to the President saying, we want to get you on board, want to show you the technology.

00:03:18.000 I got connected with the getter folks and right away when I saw it, I said, this is, this one's the ticket.

00:03:24.000 This is of everything that I saw.

00:03:26.000 And I probably only saw about a half dozen.

00:03:27.000 Dan Scavino probably saw 30 or 40.

00:03:29.000 Different ones.

00:03:30.000 I said this has to be it and so actually Steve Bannon made the connection That's how I ended up getting connected with them.

00:03:36.000 And then the rest is history.

00:03:38.000 Yeah, I've already got two hundred and like twelve thousand followers on getter and and that's separate because you know A lot of people brought up that you had a combined follower of other socials, but you've separate now specifically on getter I've only been using it for a couple weeks and I've barely posted hundreds of thousands and the engagement is through the rooftop I tell you, the cool thing is on the engagement.

00:03:57.000 It's a passionate community because you have a lot of people who want a statistic.

00:04:00.000 A lot of people don't realize when President Trump was deplatformed, about 20 to 25% of all of his supporters quit social media.

00:04:08.000 Now they didn't necessarily cancel all their accounts, but they said, okay, I'm tired of big tech.

00:04:12.000 This whole, the system is rigged.

00:04:13.000 The game is rigged.

00:04:14.000 I'm not going to be on this anymore.

00:04:16.000 With President Trump making the noise that he's going to get back into the social media arena, a lot of people are coming off the sidelines and getting back active.

00:04:22.000 So it's a passionate community.

00:04:24.000 People are glad that it's not Twitter, that it's not Facebook, that it's not Zuckerberg coming in or YouTube putting up their warnings about climate change and all this stuff.

00:04:32.000 So it's a passionate group.

00:04:33.000 We're going to talk about your policies, people have been banned, your plans for the future, and we'll get into all that, so thanks for coming.

00:04:40.000 We got Luke as well.

00:04:41.000 Hey guys, I got a very simple message.

00:04:44.000 Regulate your government, not your neighbors, and I think if a lot of people did that, the world would be a better place.

00:04:50.000 If you agree and want the t-shirt, you could get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you do.

00:04:55.000 I'm here.

00:04:56.000 This should be an interesting conversation.

00:04:57.000 I definitely have a lot of questions I want to ask, and Ian, That's a pretty cool EMF-free little hoodie headwear thing you're wearing there now.

00:05:06.000 You think I don't know about this stuff, Ian?

00:05:08.000 This is a gift I received from Tim and it is an electromagnetic frequency radiation shielding mechanism.

00:05:15.000 Apparently it shields 99.9% of the radiation.

00:05:18.000 This is good for me because I usually sleep days and am up at night because the psychic energy is just...

00:05:25.000 It's fluxing through my brain, I don't know, but I can feel the people's pain and love, and it's very intense, so this has helped quiet it down.

00:05:32.000 I don't know if it's psychosomatic or if it's working, I can't tell.

00:05:34.000 It's psychosomatic, Ian, I assure you.

00:05:36.000 Thank you, Tim.

00:05:36.000 But it is legit.

00:05:38.000 It's a high-end tinfoil hat.

00:05:41.000 Now that we're on the subject, I got a gift for Tim.

00:05:47.000 I've delivered.

00:05:48.000 What is it?

00:05:48.000 Tell people what it is.

00:05:49.000 This is an Anthony Fauci bobblehead and it is the Fauci-est of all Fauci bobbles.

00:05:54.000 Where'd you get that?

00:05:57.000 It's actually got some weight to it.

00:05:59.000 It was on eBay.

00:06:01.000 His glasses come off too.

00:06:02.000 This is like the modern-day equivalent of Chucky.

00:06:05.000 Look at that face.

00:06:06.000 It's that same smile, you know?

00:06:08.000 He's got the Fauci smile.

00:06:09.000 Does it come with a dog to do tests on?

00:06:15.000 So thank you, Tim.

00:06:15.000 And I'm happy to have gotten you that gift as well.

00:06:17.000 Thank you very much.

00:06:19.000 I hope you appreciate it.

00:06:20.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:06:21.000 I got a question.

00:06:22.000 Was it made in China?

00:06:23.000 I just need to say this one more time to make it very clear for the camera.

00:06:29.000 This Anthony Fauci bobblehead was made in China.

00:06:31.000 Perfect.

00:06:31.000 It was where it was made Indonesia. Okay, Australia another slave camp

00:06:38.000 I I just need to say this one more time to make it very clear for the camera this Anthony Fauci bobblehead was made

00:06:44.000 in China Well, I don't have anything as cool to show as an EMF

00:06:50.000 hoodie or a Fauci bobblehead But I am also here pushing buttons in the corner

00:06:55.000 It's gonna be a great conversation.

00:06:55.000 Happy to be here.

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00:07:40.000 And maybe for today, everyone should share it on Getter and then make everybody see it because we're gonna be hearing from the CEO.

00:07:47.000 And that being said, let's get into that first story.

00:07:49.000 We got it from NPR.

00:07:50.000 Now, I used NPR on purpose as the source of this because we're going to rag on them later.

00:07:55.000 Biden acknowledges his team should have done more COVID testing earlier.

00:07:59.000 Now, that's the headline.

00:08:00.000 But the point of this story is, marking the end of his first year in office with a long, wide-ranging formal press conference, Biden said it had been a year of challenges, but also a year of enormous progress.

00:08:11.000 Citing stats on vaccinations, job creation, and cuts to child poverty.

00:08:14.000 The real story here is that Joe Biden had a press conference.

00:08:17.000 Of course, NPR likes to soften the blow for the man, because right now on Twitter, 25th Amendment is trending.

00:08:25.000 Now here's where it gets funny.

00:08:27.000 Initially, it started trending because people critical of Joe Biden, which includes the independent, unaffiliated voter and Republican voters, moderates, liberals, post-liberals, conservatives, libertarians, they're all basically saying, yo, I think something's wrong with Joe Biden.

00:08:41.000 He's saying a bunch of crazy stuff.

00:08:43.000 He's like inviting war with Russia and Ukraine.

00:08:46.000 And then it gets taken over by the left, who starts calling people maggots, screaming the 25th amendment, and then they just start showing, you know, Donald Trump speaking and other stuff.

00:08:58.000 I think the reality is, there's one clip in particular that really exemplifies this.

00:09:02.000 Someone asked Joe Biden directly why it is that so many people think he's in cognitive decline.

00:09:08.000 And his response was, I have no idea.

00:09:11.000 And it's funny because that's actually the correct answer.

00:09:13.000 Joe Biden has no idea.

00:09:15.000 It's fitting.

00:09:17.000 So I find this fascinating that we're finally getting this press conference from Joe Biden and that people are using it as an opportunity to basically be like, this man should not be president.

00:09:25.000 I mean, I think people came to that realization as soon as he came into office.

00:09:30.000 I think people came to that realization when he wasn't even running a campaign and the media was running it for him.

00:09:35.000 But there's a lot of major bombshells in this kind of press conference that he released.

00:09:40.000 Real quick, I like that you called it a kind of press conference.

00:09:43.000 I mean, yeah, I mean, he was there for two hours, took 24 questions.

00:09:46.000 Let's admit that's sort of impressive for Biden, especially at his age.

00:09:49.000 But he talked about a lot of nonsense.

00:09:51.000 He was congratulating himself on his Afghanistan pullout.

00:09:56.000 He said that America is making enormous progress.

00:09:59.000 Meanwhile, we have record COVID cases.

00:10:01.000 The United States government right now, under his administration, is getting 400 million N95 masks, over 400 million COVID tests.

00:10:10.000 When the United Kingdom is literally getting rid of their ... Vax passport system and mask mandate what he's doing is the ... complete opposite of what should be doing and let's not ... also forget he pretty much invited Putin to invade Ukraine ... which is an absolutely huge bombshell with a lot of ... significant ramifications.

00:10:27.000 And the other thing to me, look, Biden should fire every single person at White House immediately.

00:10:31.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:10:32.000 The reason why they went to this press conference, because tomorrow is the one year anniversary of his inauguration.

00:10:37.000 So what they're doing from a strategic thing in their minds, not very smart, is they want to get ahead of it.

00:10:43.000 I could just see him in the briefing room now with Pepper Patty there and saying, Hey, we're going to have this one year anniversary.

00:10:48.000 We got to frame the headlines.

00:10:49.000 Let's go out there and talk about everything great that we're doing.

00:10:51.000 So Joe Biden gets out there and literally assumes responsibility I don't know though.

00:10:57.000 is affecting the United States right now.

00:10:58.000 So basically he gets up there and he lists everything going wrong, here's what we're doing about it,

00:11:02.000 we're making great, doing progress.

00:11:04.000 So, oh, they're gonna have some headlines for their one year anniversary tomorrow.

00:11:08.000 I don't think it's the headlines they were looking for.

00:11:10.000 I don't know though, you think the media is actually gonna be fair and criticize Joe Biden?

00:11:14.000 So I gotta tell you this, here's the thing you gotta keep in mind about reporters,

00:11:19.000 is they're basically...

00:11:20.000 Vultures?

00:11:22.000 Well, they're alligators, right?

00:11:24.000 They got to eat.

00:11:25.000 And so they are, it's a matter of time for how, how quickly they turn on someone, but they're going to turn on you.

00:11:30.000 I mean, they, you know, the easiest way to, to not get eaten is to not look like food.

00:11:34.000 Well, Joe Biden right now looks like a big, juicy cheeseburger.

00:11:37.000 People are angry.

00:11:39.000 I can't remember who was saying it, but they were like, when people go to the grocery store, they're angry.

00:11:43.000 When they see their products are skyrocketing in cost, they're angry.

00:11:46.000 When they see the gas prices, they're angry.

00:11:48.000 I see these memes, man.

00:11:50.000 There's a meme of somebody, all it is is someone pumping gas.

00:11:54.000 And it was like in 2019 or something, and it was like $1.70.

00:11:56.000 And I was just like, wow.

00:11:59.000 Gas was under two bucks.

00:12:02.000 I remember at that point, you know, I was driving and I saw the gas prices and I was shocked because when I was 18 and working in Chicago, the gas prices were hitting $2 and it was a big deal.

00:12:12.000 And now here we are under Trump and it's back under two bucks.

00:12:15.000 And I was like, is that crazy?

00:12:16.000 How is that, and now the gas prices are skyrocketing.

00:12:19.000 California, what was that, like nine bucks in one, was it like a while ago, or was it seven?

00:12:24.000 I thought it was more like six, but you might be right.

00:12:27.000 There was like one particular town where it got like really, really high.

00:12:31.000 Maybe nine was- I thought everyone drove Priuses out there.

00:12:33.000 Do people still get gas out there?

00:12:34.000 And Teslas.

00:12:35.000 And Teslas, yeah.

00:12:36.000 Guilty.

00:12:36.000 And out here in the middle of nowhere, it's been in like the three to like mid $3 range.

00:12:41.000 People go to the gas station, they're angry.

00:12:43.000 I'll tell you this from PR standpoint, Joe Biden coming out and reminding everybody of that is probably not a good idea.

00:12:49.000 But to your point, you're right.

00:12:51.000 I think journalists are going to be like, Hey, a lot of people are really pissed off.

00:12:53.000 Why?

00:12:54.000 Everything happening around them.

00:12:55.000 Hey, Joe Biden talked about it.

00:12:57.000 There's our angle.

00:12:58.000 The other thing to keep in mind, too, is that ratings and subscriptions are down for everywhere in the mainstream media with no Trump.

00:13:04.000 Trump basically, he created, one of the industries he helped the most was the mainstream media.

00:13:09.000 He gave everybody ratings boost.

00:13:11.000 Right now, all the subscriptions, ratings are down.

00:13:13.000 You saw it was CNN's down 90%, whatever it is.

00:13:16.000 So they have to turn because if it's just softball city, they're not going to get any ratings.

00:13:20.000 Even, look, on the drive out here, I was even listening to fake news CNN.

00:13:24.000 And even they were turning on him.

00:13:26.000 And it was amazing to hear, you know, the Jake Tappers and the Wolf Blitzers and all these folks being critical of Biden.

00:13:31.000 You know, they're saying, you know, clean up on, what was the one line I think Dana Bass used was clean up on the State Department aisle or something like that with the Ukraine thing.

00:13:38.000 I mean, they have, they see those ratings down 90%.

00:13:41.000 You better believe they're going to turn on Joe Biden.

00:13:42.000 What are we at?

00:13:44.000 29 Democrats announcing their retirement?

00:13:45.000 Was that it?

00:13:45.000 Or was it 27?

00:13:47.000 I don't know.

00:13:47.000 I don't know those exact numbers.

00:13:49.000 But my point is, just real quick, even the Democratic politicians in Congress are starting to jump ship.

00:13:56.000 It's only so long for those two dudes to hold up Bernie.

00:13:59.000 Right?

00:14:00.000 Until the weight gets too strong for them.

00:14:02.000 The Weekend at Bernie's.

00:14:04.000 Are you talking about Bernie Sanders?

00:14:05.000 No, no, no.

00:14:05.000 I'm making a reference to The Weekend at Bernie's.

00:14:07.000 Great movie.

00:14:08.000 Classic movie about a dead guy that two guys were carrying around to be alive.

00:14:12.000 I'm not going to spoil the plot for you.

00:14:13.000 Spoil a 30-year-old movie.

00:14:14.000 He gets elected in 2020.

00:14:19.000 Exactly by the corporate media that the two people ... holding him up is the bureaucratic corrupt system ... and of course the corporate media journalist that weight ... of Bernie is getting very heavy and they're starting to ... let go because it's too absurd not to call out Biden on his ... failures for him to stand and talk to the American people ... and say what he did in Afghanistan was a success is ... absolutely crazy he blamed everything because he wasn't ... able to pass the build back better bill he blamed by the ... way the New Hampshire governor for that he said he's ...

00:14:48.000 The New Hampshire governor is one of the biggest roadblocks ... to build back better which would have solved everything no ... no no no no build back better would have created more ... government which he has been implementing and using which ... has been absolutely eviscerating our current way ... of life destroying any kind of wealth destroying any kind of ... future young people have in this country.

00:15:08.000 Because when you look at his policies these are the ... policies of the corporatist the most corrupt special ... interest and lobbyist in Washington DC that are ... absolutely getting away with murder and able to get away ... with whatever they want under his administration which he's ... acting like a larger puppet for as he's really a ... representative of them.

00:15:26.000 Let me read this.

00:15:27.000 We got Charlie Spearing says, quote, I didn't overpromise, says Joe Biden, says he outperformed in his first year.

00:15:35.000 Josh Hawley responds.

00:15:36.000 Store shelves are empty.

00:15:37.000 Prices are soaring.

00:15:38.000 Real wages are declining.

00:15:40.000 American cities are engulfed in violence.

00:15:42.000 The border is controlled by the cartels and parents are treated as terrorists while actual terrorists go free.

00:15:47.000 When do the Dems seriously consider the 25th Amendment?

00:15:52.000 And then what, Kamala Harris?

00:15:55.000 Yikes, that's a scary notion.

00:15:56.000 You know, one of the things to tell you a sure sign in politics when someone who's in office or a candidate, when they're losing, when their idea to turn something around is all tactics as opposed to strategy.

00:16:07.000 Now this is getting a little bit nuanced, but I'll put my politics hat back on for a moment here.

00:16:11.000 So Joe Biden, in addition to listing out everything going on in the country, his grand strategy was to get out of the White House.

00:16:18.000 I have to get out of the White House.

00:16:19.000 I have to tour the country.

00:16:20.000 I got to go talk to people.

00:16:21.000 Between COVID and between things going on here in Washington, I'm not getting face-to-face.

00:16:25.000 If I do this, things are going to turn around.

00:16:27.000 That's a tactic.

00:16:28.000 That's a small thing like, hey, we're going to hold press conferences on Wednesdays or I'm going to go out and we're going to, he blamed it on the communications effort and said, we have to talk to people better.

00:16:37.000 Okay.

00:16:37.000 When you're talking about stuff as a president like that, the president of the United States, You know the whole thing's a disaster.

00:16:43.000 That's why I said Klain, Peppermint Patty, Circleback, they all need to be fired because so disastrous, the headlines tomorrow are just a nightmare.

00:16:52.000 And just to be clear, Peppermint Patty is Jen Psaki, right? 0.93

00:16:54.000 Yes.

00:16:55.000 Who's actually, she's somewhat decently nice, but you know, it's all fair.

00:16:59.000 All's fair in politics.

00:17:00.000 And like, if you're discussing changing strategy instead of changing tactics, you're talking about more of a global, a general, um, behaviors, like how are we going to deal with climate change as opposed to, uh, Or how big of a deal is climate change?

00:17:17.000 That would be more of a strategy conversation.

00:17:19.000 So here's the reality for Biden, is that Biden has one speed.

00:17:23.000 Today he talked about, he literally said, this was a buried line, I think I posted this on Getter, he said that we have to contrast against the other side more.

00:17:33.000 He has one speed and that's to go and say, I'm not Trump.

00:17:36.000 And so usually what happens in election is Joe Biden says, I'm not Trump.

00:17:40.000 He ends up winning.

00:17:41.000 And then the first year, second year, you don't have someone to say, I'm not Trump.

00:17:44.000 Your, your ratings go down and then you get closer to the next election.

00:17:48.000 Then you have a chance to contrast against someone else.

00:17:50.000 That's the only way that Biden has a chance of succeeding is saying, I'm not Trump.

00:17:54.000 We saw him pivot to that.

00:17:55.000 He couldn't even say anything negative about Mitch McConnell.

00:17:57.000 If you guys saw that, he was like, Oh, I'm friends with Mitch McConnell.

00:17:59.000 He's great.

00:18:00.000 But a strategy thing is Joe Biden has to go and take it.

00:18:03.000 Right now, he's playing the whack-a-mole with all these little things.

00:18:06.000 A strategic change would be to go and say, rather than getting mired in all the Hill legislation, I'm going to go out there and launch a new initiative and get behind it and say, uh, this administration is about, uh, you know, the chicken in every pot, or, you know, this is about, uh, you know, helping this group of voters or something.

00:18:22.000 But when you, so strategically, or he says, look, right now we're all in a fight against the CCP or a fight against Putin and Russia.

00:18:29.000 No, not at all.

00:18:29.000 kind of strategic shift from domestic to international.

00:18:33.000 That's a strategic shift, but just saying I'm going to get out and go talk to people

00:18:35.000 around the country.

00:18:37.000 Do you think anyone who's pumping up and paying five or six dollars a gallon for gas is going

00:18:41.000 to give a you know what, that he's going to get out of the White House more?

00:18:44.000 No.

00:18:45.000 No, not at all.

00:18:46.000 It's just without Trump, they really don't have anything.

00:18:52.000 And that's, that was even during the election.

00:18:54.000 Now we're getting into 2022.

00:18:56.000 And it looks like with Democrats retiring, they see the writing on the wall.

00:19:00.000 The media, you mentioned some of them now turning on Joe Biden.

00:19:03.000 They see the writing on the wall.

00:19:04.000 Let me tell you something that's, that's substantive though.

00:19:06.000 I want to talk about this story right here.

00:19:08.000 The first thing I want to do is show you this clip where I said, holy ish, they want war.

00:19:12.000 They profit from war.

00:19:13.000 Listen to this from Joe Biden.

00:19:16.000 So I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades, and it depends on what it does. 0.90

00:19:19.000 It may be playing properly, but I'm just going to double check our sources real quick.

00:19:23.000 And now I'm going to play it. Okay, here we go.

00:19:24.000 So I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. 0.95

00:19:32.000 And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up

00:19:37.000 having to fight about what to do and not do, etc.

00:19:39.000 It depends on what it does.

00:19:42.000 If it's a minor incursion, meh.

00:19:44.000 And a lot of people immediately went like, why would you downplay the U.S.

00:19:48.000 response to Russia invading another country in Europe?

00:19:51.000 Because limited war, baby.

00:19:52.000 Henry Kissinger's, let's do proxy wars and take little pieces of this and that. 0.93

00:19:56.000 They've segmented it into China, Russia, and the U.S.

00:20:00.000 Three superpowers get to split the earth amongst the three.

00:20:03.000 You're absolutely correct, Ian.

00:20:04.000 F that.

00:20:04.000 Well, the British are also on that list.

00:20:06.000 They're absolutely correct.

00:20:07.000 They're like limited war.

00:20:08.000 We've accepted it.

00:20:09.000 Final answer.

00:20:11.000 Well, the proxy wars that are happening are very profitable, especially when you have these big major kind of states fighting each other, the West versus the East.

00:20:19.000 And they already happened in Syria.

00:20:20.000 They already happened in Yemen.

00:20:22.000 And if they could advance it towards another place like ... Ukraine this only of course benefits the military industrial ... complex now this could be a two-pronged response here ... understanding Biden statement one is that he's all the scene ... now he doesn't know what he's talking about the second one is ... that he's inviting Russia in because at the long term this ... is going to work in favor of the neoconservative of the deep ... state of the military industrial complex that of ...

00:20:47.000 Striving for this but there's two other important pieces of ... information to consider here a couple weeks ago the Biden ... administration according to some sources even went to Ukraine ... and said would it be okay if you just give up some of your ... sovereign land to to Russia so this is something that has ... already been an underlining policy that has happened ... before so that's why I'm also calling bunk on the White ... House's latest.

00:21:10.000 Statement because they just issued a clarification on ... Biden statement saying that if Russia invades of ... course there's going to be a swift and severe response and ... obviously they're just trying to cover the bad press in the ... bad reaction they're getting from this but geopolitically ... the situation is complex Russia has been moving their troops.

00:21:27.000 towards Ukraine. The United States and NATO have been moving their troops towards Russia as well.

00:21:33.000 So the situation is getting tense and I wouldn't be surprised if there was another proxy war that of course is

00:21:37.000 going to be perpetual warfare as Ian said, the Henry Kissinger doctrine,

00:21:42.000 never-ending war for profit.

00:21:43.000 Just want to show this CNN headline real quick.

00:21:45.000 Biden predicts Russia will move into Ukraine, but says minor incursion may prompt discussion over consequences.

00:21:53.000 Wow, even CNN couldn't sugarcoat that one.

00:21:56.000 They tried, though.

00:21:57.000 That was a this is CNN moment.

00:21:59.000 You know, look, I want to agree with something you said a moment ago about the expansion on the military side.

00:22:04.000 If you went back and listen to Biden's answer, he said, in fact, we're already going to increase the number of troops that we have.

00:22:10.000 He said Poland.

00:22:11.000 And then he also the other country for the other country mentioned list.

00:22:15.000 Two countries and then he goes if they go and move into Ukraine and do some different things But he was all ready to I mean, that's the thing that no one's talked about here He announced us troop expansions into two different countries as part of his answer like he's already thought through this I mean, he definitely has a direction he wants to go But you know, one of the points I'd make a little bit of the buried lead on this when we see whether it's Putin or Xi, which I spent a lot of time talking about the CCP and what they're doing around the world.

00:22:39.000 As soon as Biden was declared the winner, that's when these guys started going offense.

00:22:43.000 And the real reason why we know that I think both Biden and, uh, or excuse me, but Xi and Putin take action is if Biden's the one term president, they're going to go and make their moves now while he's in, as opposed to waiting till whoever comes next.

00:22:54.000 Do you remember when Biden was, I think it was at a UN meeting or was it G7?

00:22:58.000 And he's, he kept saying Libya over and over again instead of Syria.

00:23:02.000 I assure you, she and Putin see that, and they look at each other, and you know, Putin's like, hey, she, if we invade Ukraine, he might accidentally invade Libya instead.

00:23:12.000 So, but you think it's, you know, I'm half joking.

00:23:16.000 Imagine if Joe Biden is in the Situation Room, And he says directly to his generals, we gotta get more troops on the ground in Libya!

00:23:26.000 Get to it! 0.93

00:23:26.000 And they're like, sir, do you mean you heard me? 0.93

00:23:28.000 And they're like, okay.

00:23:29.000 He got Bin Laden wrong. 0.91

00:23:31.000 Why?

00:23:31.000 But here's the important thing people need to understand.

00:23:34.000 If the generals hear Joe Biden say Libya, and they leave saying, well, we know he really meant Syria, so we'll go with Syria instead. 0.89

00:23:42.000 What if he really did mean Libya?

00:23:44.000 If he did mean Syria when he said Libya, and the generals say, your order is, sir.

00:23:48.000 And then they start sending troops to Libya.

00:23:50.000 What?

00:23:51.000 I'm sorry, man.

00:23:52.000 I understand that Joe Biden misspoke, but he said Truden on a shop at a pressure and Batacaf care as well.

00:23:59.000 You gotta be very precise when you're talking about missile strikes and nukes and war.

00:24:03.000 And I'm pretty sure Putin, Xi, and even Kim Jong-un and any one of our adversaries in Iran and Venezuela are like, there's a good chance that if we invade, Joe Biden will order a missile strike in the wrong country.

00:24:15.000 Let's go for it.

00:24:16.000 I disagree there because Putin realizes that the president isn't really the president of the United States.

00:24:22.000 He made very important comments a couple years ago specifically talking about how even presidents change.

00:24:28.000 There's always men in dark suits that implement the same kind of foreign policy that has been In some ways always the same for a very long time for decades ... now and it's important to understand I think he's just a ... puppet I think the military industrial complex knows ... exactly what they're doing the language from the Biden ... administration and intelligence agencies has been concise ... here and they said Russia will stage a false flag attack and ... will launch an invasion of Russia it's only a matter of ... time until Russia invades Ukraine Russia will invade ... Ukraine those are the talking points.

00:25:00.000 Of the intelligence agency of the Biden administration ... right after the CIA had just had a secret mission in Kiev ... where he came back from in this information came came out ... that they're going to do a false flag and many people are ... speculating that Kiev.

00:25:15.000 gave the head of the CIA this information. The CIA gave it to CNN and that's why the American public

00:25:19.000 has now regurgitated this information. False flags have always started a lot of world wars

00:25:26.000 and important wars throughout recorded human history. So there's there's the rhetoric is hot

00:25:31.000 here and it's and it's pretty crazy. I don't know if it'll be World War III but I think

00:25:35.000 I'd be willing to bet within this year Russia invades Ukraine. 0.96

00:25:40.000 Joe Biden says something like, Trinidad, Shabba to pressure, but it's because there's a plan in action.

00:25:45.000 We don't know what he's muttering about, but we do respond.

00:25:48.000 And this is, I think, because the Democrats are losing.

00:25:51.000 Many are retiring.

00:25:52.000 Joe Biden's approval rating is in the absolute, is just destroyed.

00:25:55.000 And they need a distraction.

00:25:57.000 And they need something to try and boost their approval ratings and offer up something.

00:26:00.000 Not just really quick, I'm not saying there's going to be a world war, but I'm saying the only thing, as you were saying, I was going to make that point, the only thing that could stop the negative viewpoint of the Biden administration, the poll numbers, is a conflict, is a war, and I don't see it as, because there's mutual assured destruction if Russia and the United States fight each other.

00:26:21.000 It's going to be just like Syria, the United States is going to be sending more arms, sending in more military hardware, more U.S. taxpaying

00:26:28.000 dollars will be sent to Ukraine, Russia will of course influence that region. They already 0.94

00:26:32.000 have been fighting for years now, so it only makes sense that the conflict is escalating and

00:26:37.000 is going to escalate from here.

00:26:39.000 This is one of the things to remember, the contrast between Biden and Trump, for example.

00:26:43.000 Is Biden tonight very much sounded like a U.S. senator?

00:26:47.000 He didn't sound like a president, sounded like a senator.

00:26:49.000 So when he was talking about even their domestic agenda, he's going through, I like this part of legislation, not that I'm going to try to save this part, not the other.

00:26:55.000 He went through and gave this very kind of methodical, that's how he walked himself into the trap was he tried to try to nuance and give his answer about we'll see on the minor and courage and all of that.

00:27:03.000 I mean, obviously, we know the last time that Putin went rolling into Ukraine, I mean, he took Crimea back.

00:27:07.000 I mean, so they already have the precedent that Biden's not going to do anything.

00:27:09.000 So I think what happens is Putin definitely goes, I don't think it's a full takeover of Ukraine, but it's enough to rattle the saber, make himself look good at home.

00:27:16.000 Biden says, well, I'm going to give you double, triple secret sanctions.

00:27:19.000 And effectively, then Putin wins the day and Biden looks weak.

00:27:22.000 But I think they know that Biden is opposed to Trump, who basically told, well, obviously with Putin, he took one strategy of kind of doing the buddy routine with Kim Jong-un.

00:27:31.000 He said, fire and fury will drop the bombs and wipe you off the face of the earth. 0.88

00:27:34.000 Guess what?

00:27:35.000 Deterred Kim Jong-un quite a bit.

00:27:37.000 Absolutely.

00:27:38.000 Ian, you had something to say?

00:27:39.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 This is why I think limited war and not total war.

00:27:43.000 This is the Kissinger limited war doctrine where they want conflict not in the homeland

00:27:47.000 because you don't want to destroy your own infrastructure and they don't want to go to

00:27:50.000 nukes with Russia.

00:27:51.000 So they'd like to just military industrial complex the hell out of Ukraine, buy and sell

00:27:56.000 a lot of weapons, destroy a lot of bombs over cities and just level.

00:28:00.000 I mean, that's what they did in Vietnam.

00:28:01.000 That was a limited war.

00:28:02.000 They didn't want to go to war with Russia or China.

00:28:04.000 And this has been building for a very long time, especially with the United States trying to build their sphere of influence, trying to get Ukraine from a Russian influence towards a European NATO influence.

00:28:14.000 We saw John McCain in Kiev literally lead the marches down there, trying to overthrow their government.

00:28:19.000 There was a very violent revolution that hurt a lot of people.

00:28:22.000 It was all against corruption the Ukrainian people ... were dealing with a corrupt government but they got ... another corrupt government in response to it with Biden's ... fingerprints all over it with his son's business ... involvements in it and of course also the president of ... the United States Donald Trump at the time who set lethal ... weapons to Ukraine which was an absolute huge escalation ... according to Russia and this is why Russia is pissed off ... because they're seeing NATO they're seeing the US weapons ...

00:28:47.000 Going closer and closer to their border and ... they're saying we need to strike back in order to push ... back against this nonsense the Secretary of State even a ... couple weeks ago said NATO never agreed not to build up on ... Russia's border which is absolutely untrue there's a ... lot of documents there's a lot of agreements between Russia ... and NATO and the United States saying that the United States ... won't be building up a lot of their military hardware on ...

00:29:09.000 Very escalating, hot situation that could turn very drastic for the people of Ukraine, which is absolutely sad as these politicians just rule lives, which is insane.

00:29:19.000 I think Trump's strategy with sending weapons to Ukraine was, hey, we're not going to get involved in this conflict.

00:29:24.000 We'll sell you some weapons.

00:29:25.000 It's all on you.

00:29:26.000 Whereas Biden and the neolibs and neocons were setting up, you know, getting Hunter Biden and Burisma trying to work, you know, energy companies.

00:29:35.000 There's a reason why they want to get Ukraine aligned with the Western forces.

00:29:40.000 Trump's attitude was America first.

00:29:42.000 We don't want to be at war with these countries.

00:29:44.000 Here are some weapons.

00:29:45.000 It's your issue.

00:29:46.000 Yeah, I mean, take a look.

00:29:47.000 I mean, do you think Germany or France or anyone else in NATO was watching Biden tonight?

00:29:51.000 A, were they, you know, not laughing or shaking their head and be like, what the blank is this?

00:29:56.000 Or shaking in their boots.

00:29:57.000 Or saying, exactly saying, this thing, they don't have our back.

00:29:57.000 Exactly.

00:30:00.000 Bring Trump back.

00:30:01.000 Can we get Trump back in the White House?

00:30:03.000 I mean, that's where, I mean, you know that, you know, when you have Macron and Johnson, and even though Angela has left Olaf Schultz, I'm sure they're like, let's get Trump back.

00:30:13.000 At least we knew where that guy stood.

00:30:14.000 Well, Biden continued Trump's policies of providing lethal weapons to Ukraine, so that also is escalating the situation.

00:30:21.000 It's a very complex situation because we should actually see it from both perspectives.

00:30:27.000 We should see it from the Russian side, from the Ukrainian side, and from the American side, because each side has their own particular version of events.

00:30:33.000 I'm trying to just tell people the version of events, how I see it.

00:30:37.000 But again there's different PR there's different propaganda from each different side and it's truly a very dangerous situation that I believe will be a limited war just like Ian is saying with the Henry Kissinger doctrine that makes most sense but even with that there still is a probability of it escalating and becoming extremely dangerous for everyone else and that's why War should never be the answer.

00:31:00.000 Diplomacy should be the way to move forward here.

00:31:02.000 And Biden is just standing there and saying, yeah, just invade.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, I think that the U.S.

00:31:06.000 president, no U.S.

00:31:07.000 president's probably responsible for getting us into war these days.

00:31:11.000 I think it's more deep state and like administrative officials that are pulling the strings.

00:31:15.000 But a president seems to be able to stop it from happening.

00:31:18.000 Or at least put the brakes on.

00:31:19.000 Keep my look.

00:31:20.000 Everything's interconnected.

00:31:21.000 So she, watching this, is looking saying, hey, Taiwan, you look pretty juicy.

00:31:25.000 That's the one where I do think, I think that she, I don't know how long after the Olympics, he goes and makes his move.

00:31:31.000 That's the one where I think Putin goes and takes a little part of Ukraine, chalks up a victory. 0.84

00:31:35.000 He gets his win.

00:31:36.000 He stops the NATO expansion into, or the EU expansion, pardon me, into Ukraine, some of the other things.

00:31:43.000 But I do think she goes all the way and goes for Taiwan.

00:31:46.000 What gets me, this invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan that the United States pulled off, I can't in good conscience say, hey, China, don't invade Taiwan.

00:31:56.000 Because it's like, dude, I just supported a country for 20 years that invaded a country and it's still in Iraq! 0.99

00:32:02.000 So, but at the same time, I can't condone the CCP invading Taiwan.

00:32:07.000 I can't condone that.

00:32:08.000 I think the people in Ukraine got a very tough lesson in American foreign policy when they saw what happened in Afghanistan.

00:32:14.000 So, I feel bad for the people of Ukraine.

00:32:16.000 They're in an extremely tough situation.

00:32:18.000 On one side, you have Russia.

00:32:20.000 On another side, you have NATO and Joe Biden, who pulled off one of the worst withdrawals Let me ask this though.

00:32:27.000 Some people have pointed out in the chat, if Russia moves on Ukraine, China goes for Taiwan instantly.

00:32:31.000 What do you think?

00:32:32.000 even try to when it came to what Biden did with Afghanistan and that's still

00:32:37.000 fresh in a lot of people's minds especially internationally especially 0.95

00:32:40.000 in Ukraine who are sitting there like man we're screwed. 1.00

00:32:43.000 Well let me ask this though some people have pointed out in the chat if Russia

00:32:47.000 moves on Ukraine China goes for Taiwan instantly what do you think?

00:32:51.000 Possibility.

00:32:52.000 Yeah I think it's in And look, the order could be the other way around.

00:32:56.000 But there's there's always safety in numbers that make it two front war, because then you have NATO, you have APAC, you have the you have everyone is looking at.

00:33:04.000 So I think that's probably, that's probably pretty accurate.

00:33:06.000 Although I think I do think that both happen, regardless, but it speeds up and expedites the action of such if they both do it, or if one does it.

00:33:15.000 Let's say this year, Russia invades Ukraine.

00:33:15.000 Yeah.

00:33:19.000 It seems like it's likely, I mean, or at the very least, the U.S.

00:33:22.000 is saying that there will be a false flag or something happens.

00:33:25.000 Let's say that China does move on Taiwan.

00:33:27.000 What do you think the Biden administration's response is going to be?

00:33:29.000 You think they'll be able to handle this or do you think it just falls apart?

00:33:32.000 I think it falls apart.

00:33:33.000 And I tell you, the other thing too, just especially as I'm traveling around and pushing

00:33:36.000 the platform in a lot of different countries, Japan is freaked the heck out.

00:33:42.000 Japan is looking out and saying, hey, if they take Taiwan, we're next.

00:33:45.000 And they are, the entire region is absolutely in panic saying, at least again, you know,

00:33:51.000 we knew where things were with Trump.

00:33:52.000 But Biden, we saw his response tonight.

00:33:54.000 He talked like a U.S.

00:33:55.000 He said, I'm going to give them the toughest sanctions.

00:33:55.000 Senator.

00:33:58.000 They are going to be there on restriction.

00:34:00.000 They do not get to ride their bike for two weeks.

00:34:03.000 And it's that's about how tough it was.

00:34:04.000 This is why American foreign policy is so mind-boggling because it's self-defeating.

00:34:09.000 It's shooting itself in the foot.

00:34:10.000 You have a situation where Russia and China don't like each other.

00:34:14.000 There's an opportunity to work with one another, have peaceful cooperation, have economic incentives to work with Europe.

00:34:21.000 And the more that the United States puts up these neoconservatives, the more we push away Russia, The more Russia becomes closer to China and they could act in unison and strategically that would be the move that they would pull off that would put the United States in a very particularly difficult position on the world stage that wouldn't only just question its hegemony but alt-right change the whole understanding of how the world kind of operates.

00:34:47.000 So this could also be a deliberate effort to bring down the United States with this kind of viewpoint of what the world sees America as.

00:34:55.000 Especially under Biden, there's no way the U.S.

00:34:58.000 can maintain its empire.

00:35:00.000 There's no way it can maintain the military bases everywhere.

00:35:03.000 Russia moves on Ukraine, we're split on two fronts.

00:35:06.000 does not have the organizational power, does not have the cohesion.

00:35:06.000 The U.S.

00:35:11.000 We've got viral videos of women in the army doing TikTok dances.

00:35:15.000 We've got wokeness and critical race theory.

00:35:18.000 I gotta be honest, if Xi Jinping is looking at Taiwan, he's probably laughing about what he sees in the U.S.

00:35:24.000 media having to do with our military.

00:35:25.000 Vladimir Putin, the same thing.

00:35:26.000 There was that viral campaign where the Russian military ad of it's all black and it's all gray and green and there's this guy and he's all sweaty and he's ripped and he's doing push-ups and he jumps out of a plane and he lands, he's got the mask on, he's armed and he's like, ah, and he's fighting.

00:35:40.000 And then you have the U.S.

00:35:42.000 Army ad of a little girl saying, I have two moms. 0.80

00:35:45.000 And I'm like, that's cool, I guess.

00:35:47.000 I don't know how that's going to instill fear in our adversaries and the people who want to do wrong by us and our friends, but I guess?

00:35:56.000 This is what we end up with.

00:35:57.000 Yeah, something tells me that she and Putin do not sit around debating whether or not they're gonna fund transgender surgeries.

00:36:03.000 That's probably not something that they spend much time on.

00:36:05.000 I want to make sure I'm being fair, too.

00:36:06.000 At the same time as this ad comes out, and everyone criticized the Army ad for having this, like, woke diversity thing, we still have the Marine Corps, which is putting out ads of, like, there's one where a guy, he sees, like, weird futuristic sci-fi holograms selling sneakers.

00:36:20.000 And then he like swings at one and then falls and slams and all of a sudden he's in a swamp and he gets up and he's armed and it's the Marine Corps and it's much, much more hardcore, much more similar to the Russian ad.

00:36:29.000 So that's a fair point.

00:36:31.000 I want to make sure we're giving the reasonableness, the rationality here.

00:36:35.000 But I don't think Russia is putting together ads to convince their military service member in any branch to be woke, diverse, comfy, cuddly, pastel, beanbags, safety spaces and all that stuff.

00:36:49.000 So unfortunately for us, or maybe even, you know, there's still a light at the end of the tunnel.

00:36:53.000 Maybe we shouldn't be the world police.

00:36:55.000 Maybe we never wanted to be.

00:36:56.000 Donald Trump was very critical of this aspect of America.

00:36:59.000 And maybe this will, you know, get us back to America First policies, make us focus on our own borders.

00:37:06.000 Maybe Biden's failures will cost us our empirical status, in a sense.

00:37:10.000 But we'll end up with a stronger economy at home, with the working class being better supported, with secure borders.

00:37:17.000 But we know that's not going to happen.

00:37:18.000 We know that, especially not under Biden, at least not till we get another, a different president in the White House.

00:37:23.000 I mean, the fact of the matter is Trump had this very much as a position that the America first, uh, and look, a lot of criticism, a lot of heat from people saying you should be doing things to help out.

00:37:31.000 Obviously he sent the, um, uh, military, the missiles to Ukraine, but said, you got to go and handle it on your own.

00:37:37.000 But people knew where Trump stood.

00:37:38.000 And so with North Korea, that was when he'd put through the big economic sanctions on China.

00:37:43.000 So we had that approach.

00:37:44.000 He was aggressive and he was out in front on a number of these things.

00:37:47.000 The thing with Biden is I don't even think Biden knows what his strategy is.

00:37:50.000 He says, oh, we're going to go and, you know, we'll talk.

00:37:53.000 We'll have some different things.

00:37:53.000 And it's, he's not making friends with anything.

00:37:56.000 He's basically just sending the signal to everyone that we're weak.

00:37:59.000 Americans, we're weak.

00:37:59.000 And that's one of the things, especially as I've been traveling around, even like I said, we were talking about this before we started, even the countries where people, Trump was way upside down.

00:38:07.000 He's like 10% favorable.

00:38:08.000 They're saying, at least with Trump, people wouldn't steamroll the U.S.

00:38:12.000 or the U.S.' 's allies.

00:38:13.000 Biden is inviting all of the aggression from Xi and Putin because he's so weak.

00:38:18.000 I mean, that was a disgrace to the country, what we saw in that two-hour press conference that he had tonight.

00:38:23.000 It's embarrassing.

00:38:25.000 But that's just who Joe Biden is.

00:38:27.000 I tweeted out, that's our Joe.

00:38:29.000 Because we know it.

00:38:31.000 You know, I was watching... I can't remember what we were watching earlier, but I saw a commercial for Jimmy Kimmel.

00:38:35.000 And I just looked up and I said to everybody, you know what's crazy?

00:38:38.000 That there are people who still live in that world.

00:38:40.000 That fake media, handcrafted narrative world.

00:38:42.000 People still live in there.

00:38:44.000 It's the Matrix. 1.00

00:38:45.000 You know, I guess I can envy those poor ignorant fools, but ignorance is bliss. 1.00

00:38:50.000 So that bliss, I mean, sounds great. 1.00

00:38:52.000 Turn on the TV.

00:38:53.000 Joe Biden's great.

00:38:55.000 He's charismatic and confident.

00:38:56.000 Everything's better than ever.

00:38:58.000 And for those of us that have taken that red pill and popped out of the matrix, we're like, Wow, this is really bad.

00:39:04.000 But I'll tell you what, at least we can buy our emergency food and build our bunkers so that when it does hit the fan, we'll be okay for at least a few months, right?

00:39:11.000 I'm kidding.

00:39:12.000 Calm down, everybody.

00:39:13.000 I don't think it's a bombastic statement to say that the American empire is going down and that there are special interests in this country that are making sure that it gets destroyed from the inside.

00:39:23.000 And I think one way they will do that is by, of course, Creating more Afghanistan situations, creating more foreign policy failures, creating more foreign policy that absolutely lets the entire world down. 0.96

00:39:35.000 It's absolutely crazy to act and play like this tough guy when, again, diplomacy is the biggest strength that you could show.

00:39:41.000 If you could resolve problems without needing to saber-rattle or start a war or kill people, that's one of the biggest strengths that you could have on this world.

00:39:51.000 More than ever, we need diplomats, but now we have a situation that is very, very dangerous and only going to be expanding from here, and I think the United States is being destroyed deliberately, and I think foreign policy is a major ingredient to that destruction.

00:40:08.000 And I just add on that is that the only way that diplomacy works is if they think that you have the fortitude to back it up, or if they think that you're tough.

00:40:16.000 Because I agree with you.

00:40:17.000 Look, I don't want us to go sending more troops over to Europe or to Asia or to anywhere else.

00:40:23.000 I thought it was good what Trump did with drawing troops from a number of the countries from around the world.

00:40:27.000 But if people don't think that you actually act or back up any of your allies on this, then they're going to go and they're going to be aggressive.

00:40:33.000 And then guess what's going to happen?

00:40:34.000 Then you get to real war.

00:40:35.000 I think we're headed towards real war.

00:40:37.000 I mean, at least with what China's been doing.

00:40:41.000 You know, we have them going near our waters in Hawaii, going near our waters in Alaska.

00:40:46.000 We've had that meeting with Antony Blinken where China basically just said, the United States is not coming from a position of power.

00:40:53.000 So when we're at that, you know, we can call it Thucydides trap.

00:40:56.000 Maybe the simple way to put it is not any special kind of, you know, named idea.

00:41:02.000 It's just that China is growing in power.

00:41:04.000 And as their power grows, their military might grows, they become more confident.

00:41:08.000 And they start looking at America saying, you know what, we're not, we're not shorter than you anymore.

00:41:11.000 We've grown up, we've matured and we're powerful. 0.94

00:41:13.000 Screw you. 0.95

00:41:14.000 And the US being the old dog going to be like, no way, but we got Joe Biden. 0.99

00:41:19.000 Keep in mind that Russia and China both have similar issues that they're facing where Putin and Xi have to watch their flank internally as well.

00:41:19.000 So we can't.

00:41:27.000 Part of the reason why Putin does the whole saber rattling is because that's a strategy of saying, you know what?

00:41:31.000 I want to shore up my domestic base by going to get everyone focused on the fact that Ukraine is, we own Ukraine.

00:41:37.000 These terrible, horrible people from the West are trying to impose on us. 0.98

00:41:40.000 So, you know, let's pay attention to that as opposed to the fact that Russia's economy is the size of the state of New York.

00:41:46.000 She, one of the things, China's economy is in real tough stretch right now. 0.77

00:41:51.000 They have this massive water crisis in China that is the real deal.

00:41:55.000 I mean, it is, they have some real problems and the other thing too, all the cheap labor force that they have, everyone's moving up to the middle class in China. 0.91

00:42:01.000 So they can't pay people like two pennies an hour.

00:42:03.000 They're having to go and try to essentially pillage Vietnam and other countries do this. 0.95

00:42:07.000 So she has the same issue.

00:42:08.000 That's part of the reason why he has to go and move on Taiwan to go shore up his base, get everyone rallied, say it's us against the West again.

00:42:14.000 Yeah, and they have also very little natural resources, very limited ability to farm and produce food.

00:42:20.000 This is why China's trying to turn a desert into farmland right now. 0.98

00:42:23.000 This is the lengths that they're turning to.

00:42:25.000 They also turned to weather modification, trying to alter climates in order to provide better farming situations, because this is why it's so important for them to move out of that landlocked position.

00:42:39.000 This is why even Taiwan is is so tempting for them because they ... know they need to expand their Empire if they don't they're ... going to be doomed especially with the population that they ... have right now filled with a lot of men and very little ... women and you know the situation in China is like a ... perfect storm of perfect recipe of disaster. 0.98

00:43:02.000 And you know, Tim, to your point about their aggression, even doing things all the way to Hawaii.

00:43:06.000 I mean, since when did the nine-dash line extend to Maui, right?

00:43:09.000 I mean, but that's basically where they are now.

00:43:10.000 They're like, hey, this is the decoupling is happening.

00:43:14.000 What's the worst case scenario for us, though?

00:43:15.000 I mean, if China starts expanding and taking over, I know there's economic consequences.

00:43:20.000 So from a really crass perspective, there are a couple of things.

00:43:23.000 Number one, it basically says, if you're, if they go and take, because you don't take part of Taiwan, right?

00:43:27.000 I mean, it's an island.

00:43:28.000 So either go and take the whole thing.

00:43:30.000 It's a sovereign country.

00:43:31.000 It's not like Ukraine where you can carve out a few miles and say, we declare victory.

00:43:34.000 And, uh, you know, we, we, we stop the expansion of, uh, of the EU and all this kind of stuff.

00:43:39.000 Taiwan is different from a couple of things.

00:43:40.000 One, it's a country where we have drawn a line is the U S and said, this is an ally.

00:43:43.000 We're immediately signaling.

00:43:44.000 We'll do nothing for Japan or anyone else in the region. 1.00

00:43:47.000 The other thing too, and again, this is very crass, but it's, you know, the real world.

00:43:51.000 The fact that if China were to take Taiwan, the world's semiconductor market is, we are beyond screwed.

00:43:59.000 We have sent everything to Taiwan.

00:44:01.000 The US, I don't think people realize if they, China will then own effectively everything. 0.96

00:44:06.000 And I know that's, that's, I'm just being very crass about it, but it's saying that the West will never defend an ally just as much.

00:44:12.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:44:13.000 Cars, already hard to come by.

00:44:15.000 Computers.

00:44:16.000 And it's not just that.

00:44:17.000 We put computer chips in everything.

00:44:20.000 And that's Taiwan.

00:44:21.000 Steve Bannon was talking about it.

00:44:22.000 He said Silicon Valley West.

00:44:23.000 And that's why you've got U.S.

00:44:25.000 interests desperately trying to pump government money into American factories to produce chips, silicon chips, semiconductors, etc.

00:44:32.000 because we know what's coming. And I appreciate the effort, but it also kind of feels like

00:44:36.000 their quick and desperate moves into funding American manufacturing in this, you know,

00:44:41.000 space, while a good thing, just signals we expect Taiwan to fall to China.

00:44:45.000 It's a matter of when, not if.

00:44:47.000 Yeah.

00:44:47.000 That's what China says.

00:44:48.000 China officially stated on the record, it's not when we invade Taiwan, it's... No, no, it's not if we invade Taiwan.

00:44:53.000 Sorry, sorry.

00:44:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:55.000 It's not if we invade Taiwan, it's when.

00:44:56.000 Let's talk about how our unfortunate Democrat leadership is impacting us domestically.

00:45:02.000 Thanks, Joe Biden, for your press conference talking about how you're doing really, really well.

00:45:05.000 Meanwhile, in this story from Yahoo Finance, L.A.

00:45:08.000 freight train looting out of control as thieves worsen supply chain bottlenecks.

00:45:13.000 Have you guys seen these photographs out of L.A.

00:45:17.000 or these videos?

00:45:18.000 Dude, the train stops to unload and like 50 guys jump on with bolt cutters, snap it open, start throwing TVs out.

00:45:25.000 People are just loading up.

00:45:26.000 There's boxes everywhere.

00:45:28.000 I saw one report where they were like, are you wondering where your Amazon delivery went?

00:45:33.000 Perhaps it was lost in an LA freight yard, and I'm just like, watching a video.

00:45:37.000 There's people filming them, do it!

00:45:39.000 This is what's happening on the ground in this country, and you see this stuff, I gotta tell you, with the trucker shortage, with the labor shortage, with the airlines freaking out, canceling flights every single month for some new problem, You know, Ukraine war with Russia might be the least of our worries when you don't have truckers to bring you food, when your goods being shipped by train are being looted and your supplies being destroyed.

00:46:03.000 We're going to go local, I got to say.

00:46:05.000 But just really, I just want to make a point.

00:46:06.000 China has bullet trains.

00:46:08.000 We have this.

00:46:10.000 This is true.

00:46:11.000 I take the Amtrak up to New York every week for Getter, and I get on that and I'm like, man, it's basically like the Joe Biden of trains getting on Amtrak.

00:46:20.000 But one of the things, if you go to the press conference, just going back to Brandon for a moment here, It was so bad when he's trying to explain inflation.

00:46:29.000 He was trying to say the reason for inflation is because of the supply chain crisis.

00:46:33.000 So he's blaming one crisis that essentially he's allowing to happen based on another crisis that he's allowing to happen.

00:46:39.000 And it's just the swirl.

00:46:40.000 But this, I tell you this story, they were showing some images of the essentially the yards where it's just all the empty packages where they've gone through and ripped everything.

00:46:47.000 There's like, you know, this entire field.

00:46:49.000 Look at these photos.

00:46:50.000 Yeah.

00:46:51.000 Look at this.

00:46:51.000 Pull this stuff up.

00:46:52.000 Wow.

00:46:52.000 This is absolutely insane.

00:46:54.000 I can't believe.

00:46:56.000 It's just... Looks like LA.

00:46:58.000 The train's gonna derail by hitting cardboard.

00:47:00.000 Yeah, that's concerning.

00:47:01.000 You either need armed guards at this point, whether they're human or robot or turrets or whatever, or you need bullet trains, like you're saying, super fast trains that are enclosed so you can't get inside.

00:47:12.000 Ian calling for auto defense turret at a train station.

00:47:15.000 Guys, this is how Skynet started.

00:47:18.000 You laugh, and the next thing you know, we get jumped on.

00:47:20.000 Yeah, I mean, they used to have armed, like a guy would sit on the stagecoach with his shotgun, making sure they didn't get jumped as they were riding in the 1800s.

00:47:27.000 But now, we've become so complacent that we are like, hey, I can walk around without looking both ways.

00:47:32.000 The world's really not that safe.

00:47:34.000 Have you ever read or seen Judge Dredd?

00:47:36.000 Yeah.

00:47:36.000 Yeah, I don't know if I want to live in that world where it's like the trains are like, you know, there's just layers of auto defense turrets with gun sights pointing at you as you walk past them.

00:47:45.000 So let's build mag rail trains.

00:47:45.000 Yeah, me neither.

00:47:48.000 Maglev?

00:47:49.000 Yeah, maglev trains that are enclosed.

00:47:51.000 That will also solve the problem.

00:47:53.000 Turrets.

00:47:53.000 Without turrets.

00:47:54.000 Or we just have Elon Musk build a bunch of his tunnels.

00:47:54.000 Turretless.

00:47:57.000 They get traffic jams.

00:47:58.000 It's a synergistic company model because not only do you build the tunnels underground, then you can build the high speed rail in the tunnels.

00:48:05.000 And then we do it on Mars, for instance, where he's colonizing.

00:48:08.000 I think we're going local.

00:48:09.000 You know, one thing that we've been focusing on is we've got our own garden.

00:48:13.000 We've got chickens.

00:48:14.000 We love our chickens.

00:48:15.000 They lay eggs all the time. 0.95

00:48:15.000 They're silly little things. 0.95

00:48:16.000 And so we had a homesteader on the show a while back talking about how, you know, if you even get one or two percent of your food source from your own production, you're doing really, really well.

00:48:27.000 And when you look at this stuff, it's not an issue of prepping.

00:48:31.000 It's an issue of, let me just say, if you are someone who has watched Joe Biden speak, You probably have already started prepping.

00:48:39.000 If you're someone who isn't and you're only watching CNN, I need not warn you about why you should have some emergency food or you should learn to farm or garden or get some animals.

00:48:47.000 You need only watch Joe Biden speak.

00:48:49.000 If you watch that man speak, just like literally, don't watch a clip, watch like a full thing of him talking, and you still think he is doing a good job and we're going to be fine, then by all means, you do as you please.

00:49:01.000 But I think the average person Who has not listened to the man, who doesn't know that he said once, truant on a shop at a pressure.

00:49:08.000 Once they see that, they're going to be like, how many beans can I buy in one trip to Walmart?

00:49:13.000 Because that man is terrifying me.

00:49:16.000 Not only that, if you watch Joe Biden tonight and you don't already own a firearm, I bet tomorrow's going to be, I bet it loud and guns.

00:49:23.000 It's going to be, you know, record lines out the door.

00:49:26.000 Be like back during COVID.

00:49:27.000 I wonder if we can track that actually, because I don't disagree.

00:49:30.000 I agree.

00:49:31.000 I think, I think people are going to go buy guns right now.

00:49:32.000 If this were like a militant despotism and we had a leader like that.

00:49:36.000 I was going to ask, like, what would happen to them?

00:49:38.000 Because right now we kind of have a decentralized system.

00:49:40.000 The United States is pretty self-sufficient.

00:49:42.000 You know, we don't really need a president to get the job done.

00:49:44.000 Of course, the military needs a leader.

00:49:46.000 But in a country where it's like, like Libya with Qaddafi, if someone like that got into power that was like, Not there.

00:49:54.000 What would happen?

00:49:54.000 They just have him completely murdered instantly and the new president would take over?

00:49:58.000 But we live in a place where it's not so drastic that that guy as the president doesn't have to be like a power monster.

00:50:05.000 It can be kind of almost not there.

00:50:07.000 It's good when we have civilian leadership of our armed forces.

00:50:11.000 And the idea is we have our generals, but then we elect a civilian leader who can then check them and bring some accountability.

00:50:18.000 The problem is, when you have an old man in a wheelchair with a blanket on his lap, pushed into a sunroom, and then he falls asleep and goes... There's no one keeping any of these forces in check, or organizing them, or even having a plan for what we're doing. 0.98

00:50:31.000 Because when you guys are like 25th Amendment and Kamala Harris, LOL, I'm also like, no, no!

00:50:37.000 So what would happen?

00:50:38.000 A general would take control of our country?

00:50:41.000 Let me ask you something.

00:50:43.000 Honest question, what would you prefer?

00:50:46.000 All of this in LA, or Kamala Harris locking all of these people up, you know, and many innocent people along with it, right?

00:50:53.000 This is the challenge.

00:50:55.000 Some people might say, you know, Kamala Harris is a brutal dictator-type person who kept people in prison to use as slave labor to fight wildfires. 0.99

00:51:02.000 Actually, they actually, for a dollar an hour, because these people were, my understanding is that they were eligible for parole, and she was like, no, we need the cheap labor to fight wildfires, which is basically, in my opinion, slavery. 0.52

00:51:11.000 And you could have that, and it will mean your train tracks are clean, but I do not like the idea of empowering someone as evil as that woman. 0.99

00:51:18.000 And so it's like, then what do we get?

00:51:20.000 Sleepy Joe?

00:51:21.000 Asleep on the job and everything starts falling apart?

00:51:23.000 It's like we're between a rock and a hard place.

00:51:25.000 So one thing, going back to the Bernie reference Luke brought up earlier, which during the campaign I'd always kind of make that joke, and I put out a meme a few times.

00:51:32.000 Here's like Nancy and Kamala propping him up, and you know, here's an Antifa flag in the background and White House burning and all that.

00:51:39.000 I assumed when Biden came in to be weak in at Bernie's, but it would be essentially the hardcore libs that were propping him up.

00:51:44.000 Here's the thing.

00:51:45.000 I don't think anybody's holding him up.

00:51:47.000 I don't even think Ron Klain or Jennifer Psaki or Susan, spying Susan, who's hiding out there in Kellyanne's old office.

00:51:53.000 I don't think any, to me, I would rather go against the hardcore lefty who at least we knew, look, we hate their policies, but we know what direction they're going.

00:52:02.000 We know how to, how to fight them.

00:52:04.000 We can challenge them on certain points.

00:52:06.000 Not saying that I want to cede any of these things to these people, but I'd rather have someone who's a lefty where at least we can go and combat them as opposed to someone who's quite frankly incompetent. 0.60

00:52:15.000 I would rather have no government so we could actually live our lives free and prosperously in a way where we don't have centralization and control of our basic human activities that are absolutely destroyed by these plutocrats and fat cats. 0.99

00:52:28.000 But I'll push back a little bit.

00:52:31.000 There's got to be some cooperation.

00:52:32.000 There's got to be some governance.

00:52:33.000 I don't mean a boss or a cop was going to tell you can't do things.

00:52:37.000 I just mean The more you increase freedom, you also increase risks.

00:52:42.000 Of course.

00:52:44.000 And I'm actually cool with a substantial amount of risk.

00:52:46.000 But I think people should consider that it would be more like the Wild West.

00:52:49.000 Yeah.

00:52:50.000 You know, more freedom.

00:52:50.000 Not all bad.

00:52:51.000 No one's going to bug you when you want to be on your property minding your own business.

00:52:55.000 But you might get bugged by some bad people who will be more likely to be unchecked.

00:53:00.000 I would argue that there would be less harm when people get to figure it out themselves.

00:53:05.000 But that's just my perspective.

00:53:06.000 But just going on topic here again, I would be sweating bullets if I was living in a major city.

00:53:12.000 The situation financially is getting worse.

00:53:14.000 It's only going to get worse.

00:53:16.000 This is a slow and deliberate destruction of this country, and what we're seeing on the railroads is just one symptom of it.

00:53:22.000 This symptom is just a byproduct of this system crashing financially.

00:53:27.000 It's only going to get worse here.

00:53:29.000 The larger financial ramifications of the lockdowns, the restrictions, the mandates, we're still going to feel them and they haven't been fully even transitioned into our current state that we're in right now.

00:53:42.000 Financial markets take a while to actually react to certain moves by governments.

00:53:47.000 And I think it's fair to say, especially with how much we have been indebted, with how much we've been printing, that financially the situation will only get worse here in the United States and we're going to have more situations like we're seeing at the railroads unfold in many different ways all throughout this country.

00:54:01.000 I just want to point out that those images I showed, I went on Google and I typed in L.A.

00:54:05.000 trains and that was it.

00:54:06.000 Wow.

00:54:07.000 When you Google search L.A.

00:54:08.000 and trains, this is what you see!

00:54:11.000 No subways, you know, no substations, no smiling people waving with their kids, boarding a train and seeing their, you know, there's no husband seeing his wife off as he boards.

00:54:24.000 No, it's this.

00:54:25.000 All of the images.

00:54:26.000 Except for, oh here's a pretty one. 0.94

00:54:28.000 Look at that.

00:54:29.000 Oh, the coaster!

00:54:29.000 Beautiful.

00:54:30.000 The coaster on the Amtrak.

00:54:33.000 And then everything around it is just decay and ruin.

00:54:37.000 I took that trip once.

00:54:38.000 It was very nice.

00:54:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:39.000 It's right on the beach.

00:54:40.000 You go from L.A.

00:54:41.000 to San Diego.

00:54:42.000 Oh, OK.

00:54:43.000 The scary thing is that my prediction is that Gavin Newsom is the Dem nominee in 2024.

00:54:47.000 Yeah.

00:54:48.000 And that is... So folks... Or Whitmore.

00:54:52.000 Whitmer?

00:54:52.000 Yeah.

00:54:52.000 Well, there was an article once, and it's not just one article, but they say that California is what the United States will be five years later.

00:55:00.000 So that what happens in California affects the rest of the country five years on.

00:55:04.000 I hope not.

00:55:05.000 I think with the pushback we're seeing, thanks to the internet, that's gonna play a big role in people waking up and paying attention.

00:55:12.000 We're seeing, hey, Getter, for instance, an opportunity for people to bypass the censorship and maintain these values and ideas and share them.

00:55:20.000 If we didn't have that, and people were only able to see this mainstream narrative, then yeah, the US would become California and we would all live in squalor and destruction.

00:55:29.000 So long as we keep resisting and fighting for free speech and our ability to share ideas, we're gonna hold that off.

00:55:35.000 Which brings me to, let's talk about gutter.

00:55:37.000 And I'll start with this one.

00:55:38.000 We got Joe Rogan.

00:55:39.000 Six days ago.

00:55:40.000 The reason I think this story is a great way to kick off the Getter conversation is that Joe Rogan, in his conversation with Dr. Malone, helped boost a lot of the user numbers on Getter, or I should say, convince a lot of people to sign up.

00:55:55.000 But then we ended up with this.

00:55:56.000 Joe Rogan mocks Getter less than a month after joining.

00:55:59.000 I don't know how to get off.

00:56:00.000 Mr. Rogan complained the site artificially bloats follower counts by including a person's Twitter following on their profile.

00:56:07.000 I think you guys are working on this, and my immediate response is, you know, not to make it a softball to begin with, but... I mean, you're a relatively new social media platform, you're growing really quickly, and you've got to deal with, you know, the bumps in the road along the way.

00:56:21.000 For Joe to be like, I don't know how to get off, as if he wants to quit already, it's like, yo man, give the platform a chance, right?

00:56:27.000 Well, a couple of things here.

00:56:28.000 Look, number one, you know, Joe, if you're watching, thank you very much.

00:56:32.000 Very appreciative for your joining.

00:56:33.000 We've had, as you correctly pointed out, Tim, the Dr. Malone surge that's really helped.

00:56:38.000 And we've grown by almost 1.5 million people over the last two and a half weeks.

00:56:41.000 So we're up to about four and a half million people now.

00:56:44.000 That's a 50% increase literally in a little over two weeks, which is massive.

00:56:48.000 Good news is too, is that nothing crashed.

00:56:50.000 Everything, we're always ready in case.

00:56:52.000 President Trump came on board.

00:56:53.000 But look, going to the Rogan point for a minute, just in case anyone's not on Getter, obviously G-E-T-T-R and the Apple Store and Google Play, just a shameless plug, but what we had is we've, in about two weeks, maybe about three weeks, one of the features we'll have on Getter is when you post on Getter, you can have the option to then have that post populate on Twitter as well.

00:57:13.000 Some of the folks, the front end of the house, essentially on the engineering side, got ahead of the back end of the house, and they put that out there.

00:57:20.000 So here are the combined follows, or how many people would have.

00:57:24.000 So just to clarify, make sure I got this right, you said you post on Twitter and it'll appear on Getter?

00:57:28.000 Post on Getter, it'll appear on Twitter.

00:57:30.000 I'm sorry, sometimes I... No, I think that was my mistake.

00:57:33.000 And so when you start your account with Getter, you have the option of importing in all of your tweets, which is a very cool feature because what people don't realize, that's your intellectual property.

00:57:42.000 You own that.

00:57:43.000 Because otherwise, if the platforms own it, then they would be liable for everything that you're writing and posting on there.

00:57:47.000 So we allow people, it's kind of a cool feature, like, wait, all my tweets are now showing up in my Getter timeline?

00:57:52.000 Then your history, whether it be your posts, your memes, your recordings, whatever come with.

00:57:56.000 We went and, again, what we'll have shortly then for going forward, you post on Getter, it'll appear on Twitter, and then someone never really needs to go to Twitter again.

00:58:03.000 The only reason I ever hear back from people is why they don't quit Twitter is, well, I have followers there.

00:58:07.000 I have a message.

00:58:08.000 I want to go and get this out.

00:58:09.000 So people don't want to lose that.

00:58:10.000 So the spirit of that, but here's where we screwed up as a platform.

00:58:13.000 I'll be on the level when we screw up on something or don't get something right.

00:58:16.000 The front end, the user experience side, posted here are the total followers.

00:58:20.000 We've now fixed it, so it says here are the people you're following, here are your getter followers, here are your total, which is both Twitter and getter.

00:58:28.000 But the fact that we allowed that to go and happen first, as opposed to waiting to the backend when you did it, it was an unforced error.

00:58:34.000 It's a small thing, but you know, you just got to own it and say, hey, here's what we're trying to do.

00:58:39.000 Get it corrected and then move ahead.

00:58:40.000 I want to talk to you about some specific individuals, notably Nick Fuentes, who a lot of people are concerned about for being banned.

00:58:48.000 But before we get into that, I think there's some important context, and so we will talk about that in about five or so minutes.

00:58:54.000 But I want to ask you about your terms of service, your community guidelines and all that.

00:58:59.000 And, you know, I've pulled up the getter terms and we've looked at some of it.

00:59:03.000 There's a lot of them, but I'll ask you outright and you can answer as I read through this.

00:59:07.000 Do you have the same or similar policies as these other big tech platforms like Twitter?

00:59:12.000 Do you ban hate speech?

00:59:13.000 Do you ban, you know, do you ban wrong think?

00:59:17.000 Like if someone has a political opinion that doesn't fly?

00:59:20.000 So let me go and take them in order, because I think it's important for people who wonder and say, what's the difference here?

00:59:25.000 So again, our vision with Getter and what we do, this is the free speech platform.

00:59:29.000 This is where we make sure that people who can go and actually express their political opinion without getting censored or shadow banned or algorithm out of existence, simply because of what they're saying politically.

00:59:39.000 So you take a look at some of the guests who've been on this show, take a look at Steve Bannon, take a look at Alex Jones.

00:59:44.000 Take a look at, I know Dr. Malone, Dr. Malone hasn't been on, has he?

00:59:47.000 Not yet.

00:59:49.000 Okay.

00:59:50.000 We'll talk about that over the show.

00:59:51.000 Uh, but you look at some of the people who even have, uh, look at James O'Keefe, who's just here a couple of days ago, look at Project Veritas, people who now have voices at Getter that were kicked off by Twitter.

01:00:00.000 Terms of service for most of most all the platforms.

01:00:03.000 It doesn't matter if you're in the challenger platforms like us or, um, some of the other challengers, or if you're in big tech, the reason why terms of service for many folks look so similar is because it's effectively your contract.

01:00:14.000 And there's a difference though between the terms of service and your community guidelines.

01:00:18.000 One of the things where we've come under some and so our terms of service very clearly spell out and it's it's on the both on the website and through here but it says for example that without limitation we may but do not commit to as we put our attention to offensive, obscene, lewd, filthy, pornographic, violent, harassing, threatening, abusive, illegal, otherwise objectionable, inappropriate content.

01:00:41.000 That's within obviously things like child abuse or beheading or different things like that.

01:00:46.000 The terms of service, because since it's legal terms of someone, this is your contract with someone for signing up, that's why terms of service are going to be written in that manner.

01:00:54.000 Where we are working to improve is a platform.

01:00:57.000 It's a post and we're working on this right now.

01:01:00.000 I don't have an exact timeline.

01:01:00.000 We hope to have it soon.

01:01:02.000 More specific community guidelines, so it's even clearer for people.

01:01:05.000 Okay, you guys say that you're their free speech platform.

01:01:07.000 We realize, okay, that somebody who's been kicked off these other platforms, they can come express themselves politically and no one's going to go and vote them off the island for talking about COVID or voting issues or climate change.

01:01:17.000 There's not going to be warning labels, but give us a little more granularity.

01:01:21.000 And that's one of the things that we've heard from people and we're working to put that together to publish.

01:01:24.000 So we asked this similarity of Rumble.

01:01:27.000 It says right here, Getter holds freedom of speech as its core value and does not wish to censor your opinions.

01:01:32.000 Nonetheless, you may not post on or transmit through the service any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, libelous, indecent, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, pornographic, profane, hateful, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable material of any kind and including any material that encourages conduct that

01:01:49.000 would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any law,

01:01:54.000 rule, or regulation of the laws applicable to you or applicable in the country in

01:01:59.000 which the material is posted.

01:02:01.000 So I'm curious because the idea of banning hateful content.

01:02:06.000 I mean, that's editorially defined.

01:02:08.000 And I do want to make sure we say, as we go into this, Getter clearly is going to allow more speech than these other platforms, but I'm wondering why it is that, uh, Getter has the same language.

01:02:22.000 We say that you outright say you cannot be, you know, hateful racially or ethnically or, or, or obscene.

01:02:28.000 And we see that same language on all the other big tech Silicon Valley platforms.

01:02:31.000 So a couple of things here, because again, keep in mind that for most countries, especially in the U.S., your free speech rights, for the most part, extend up until the point where they infringe on someone else's rights.

01:02:42.000 If we're going to have a platform where we allow people to come on and keep it very real politically, to keep it very politically incorrect, if that's where they want to be, there have to be some standards in place to make sure that people don't think that it's a threatening or potentially illegal environment.

01:02:57.000 But hateful?

01:03:00.000 But hold on, but there's but you notice we do not use hate speech, which is a phrase that the left has taken over and they and then it's like, who defines it is, is hate speech, for example, but here's one of the things we're not going to allow to happen on getter.

01:03:13.000 And this is something where I get a lot of pushback from people.

01:03:16.000 But they've said, or we've said, excuse me, that we're not gonna allow racial or religious epithets on the platform.

01:03:21.000 I have not had one person who's come to me yet and said, you know what?

01:03:24.000 If only I could use the blank word, uh, then it would be an okay platform.

01:03:28.000 You know, the, the fact that I like getter, except I can't use the blank word.

01:03:31.000 It's just, you have to go and have, you're not going to make every single person happy, but we have to have a platform, especially being global.

01:03:38.000 The U S is about 57% right now of our overall base.

01:03:41.000 It's a global platform.

01:03:42.000 We have to make sure that people, regardless of your religious or your, um, uh, racial background that you feel welcome on the platform.

01:03:50.000 I got a question I really want to ask.

01:03:51.000 Who gets to decide what is obscene?

01:03:53.000 Because some people would say Ian's obscene.

01:03:58.000 Who decides what is obscene?

01:04:00.000 Is there any oversight or transparency when it comes to banning people or shadow banning people?

01:04:05.000 Do you guys shadow ban as well?

01:04:06.000 That's another question that people are asking.

01:04:07.000 So taking it in reverse order, no shadowbanning, no algorithming.

01:04:11.000 One of the things people realize with Getter is everything's in the linear timeframe.

01:04:14.000 So you do not have, remember that was kind of the old Twitter before they changed up and got the algorithm advanced to where they went and, you know, I'll give you an example of an algorithm.

01:04:22.000 Dinesh D'Souza, who's on Getter, and he brings the heat on social media, in my opinion.

01:04:26.000 I think the guy's great.

01:04:27.000 I didn't even know that he effectively didn't know that he was on Twitter because I'd never seen any of his content.

01:04:31.000 He gets on Getter and, you know, man, the guy's like every other post.

01:04:34.000 He's pretty prolific because there was the shadow banning.

01:04:36.000 Prior to being CEO of Getter, I could literally do the proverbial covfefe and I'd get 2,000 retweets.

01:04:43.000 Now I can have an actual legit, you know, I'll take one of my Getter posts and put them over on Twitter.

01:04:46.000 I'll get like 30 people retweeting it.

01:04:48.000 Just, hey, guess I'm CEO.

01:04:49.000 No shadowbanning or anything.

01:04:51.000 In fact, one of the things I've made very clear as a CEO, everybody gets treated the same.

01:04:55.000 It doesn't matter if you're on the left, on the right.

01:04:57.000 Look, people tell me I'm number one in a not very positive way all the time.

01:05:00.000 That's part of the drill.

01:05:02.000 You come on there, you want to go and speak your opinion?

01:05:04.000 Great.

01:05:05.000 You can go and have that.

01:05:06.000 So there's no shadowbanning or algorithming of any sense.

01:05:10.000 So to your next point then about who decides this.

01:05:13.000 So we work with two parts.

01:05:15.000 This is how our moderation platform works.

01:05:17.000 First of all, we have, so it's two parts, both an AI component, artificial intelligence, as well as human moderators.

01:05:23.000 There are a number of key features.

01:05:24.000 It's, you know, like 44 or so different categories of things, say for like a full-on pornography or something that's a beheading, you know, things that are just certain words, for example, that will get stopped immediately from getting posted.

01:05:37.000 That's what they call the API.

01:05:38.000 So they can go before it.

01:05:39.000 So it's not like it goes somewhere and it gets screened.

01:05:41.000 Literally, you can't even do it from the API, from the platform.

01:05:44.000 So those things get blocked.

01:05:45.000 Certain things are in the category of, and again, it's, it's gotta be pretty darn strong for it to get, uh, for it to get blocked.

01:05:52.000 But then things that are say between a, you know, five on the scale to nine on the scale, then go to human moderators to go and review.

01:05:59.000 And what we have with, so the, all the human moderators who are part of Getter, number one, we, they go through a pretty extensive background check.

01:06:05.000 So usually before someone gets onboarded, I want to say it's upwards of at least two or three weeks of going through to do a background check to make sure they're not going to be bringing some aspect of political bias to it.

01:06:17.000 Are these Americans or foreign workers?

01:06:19.000 All the above.

01:06:20.000 So there are people, because keep in mind, I mean, we have people who are monitoring 14 languages right now.

01:06:25.000 So I'll tell you that there's, you know, you're only going to find so many people in the U.S.

01:06:28.000 who are monitoring Japanese, for example.

01:06:30.000 So we have people, you know, but there'll be a lot of people in Australia and New Zealand who might be monitoring, you know, Japanese or even monitoring Mandarin or Arabic.

01:06:36.000 Yeah, I think it's 14.

01:06:37.000 It might be 15 languages now.

01:06:39.000 But the other thing, too, is going through and then certain things the moderators might not know.

01:06:44.000 So in addition to the background check, obviously, then we do the spot checks and making sure where things are.

01:06:50.000 Certain things where there are going to be questions.

01:06:52.000 And I've had things that are frivolous that get elevated up to our executive board.

01:06:57.000 Then we have a six-person team that they do both a combination of Kind of the user interface folks, but as well as the legal people who kind of look through it where something has to get, we decide, okay, what's our posture going to be?

01:07:08.000 Certain things then get brought to my attention.

01:07:09.000 I'll tell you some of the things have been frivolous.

01:07:11.000 Like on the first day, one of the moderation people came running up and, you know, Jason, Jason, someone just posted the picture of Hunter Biden with the feather boa and the tidy whities.

01:07:19.000 And of course my answer on that is, look, I'm never going to tell the son of the president of the United States what he can and can't wear.

01:07:19.000 You know, what do we say?

01:07:25.000 In his pictures and I'm gonna defend his freedom to wear that feather boa.

01:07:29.000 That's frivolous I'll tell you something that's not frivolous is after the Afghanistan Airport bombing Kabul where there were images that were posted of actual people blowing up like pretty good newsworthiness to that as much as so here is so going through that because this is this is like this is the type of decision that we have to sit down and make and Is that we are such an anti-terrorism, uh, anti-authoritarian regime.

01:07:53.000 You can't go and sweep stuff under the rug.

01:07:55.000 And look, a lot of our people are on board saying France and Germany have dealt with the terrorist bombings firsthand.

01:08:01.000 So we, we made the decision.

01:08:02.000 You cannot show the act of killing someone.

01:08:04.000 So you couldn't actually show, and I'm not trying to, I'm just being very direct.

01:08:09.000 You can't show the act of somebody blowing to pieces, but you can show what the carnage is afterwards.

01:08:15.000 I literally went through this.

01:08:17.000 Last night with our director of moderation where one of our verified users Showed somebody driving who was being shot in somewhere in the Middle East So it's actually the act of shooting the person and while in the single take They went up and opened the door and pulled out essentially a dead family with the kids So in that context said look because it's showing the act of killing them.

01:08:38.000 We can't show that but if it's showing afterwards Hey, here's what happens on attack that the people are dead.

01:08:43.000 That's that's where we decided to draw the draw the line It's tough, because I totally understand why people would be like, we don't want that on our platform, but there's a very important newsworthiness.

01:08:51.000 Wouldn't a filter make, you know, be better?

01:08:54.000 Maybe some kind of like, you know, you don't see it unless you opt in and click it.

01:08:57.000 Or unless you decide to follow those people.

01:08:59.000 Like, shouldn't people have the choice to say, I want to follow those people for this coverage?

01:09:02.000 I don't want to derail from the point I'm making.

01:09:04.000 The point I'm making is, in this world, if a serious moment happens, let's say we saw what happened with Aaron Danielson, a Trump supporter, was walking down the street and Antifa guy put two in his chest.

01:09:13.000 As much as it's a gruesome act, I think people need to see, you know, the newsworthiness of this.

01:09:19.000 This happened in this country, and if you restrict that, people won't believe it.

01:09:24.000 You could go to someone and say, did you know that a far-left Antifa guy killed a dude?

01:09:27.000 And they'll be like, show me the video.

01:09:28.000 I can't get or ban it.

01:09:30.000 Would you ban the George Floyd video?

01:09:32.000 I would not ban the George Floyd video.

01:09:34.000 But that's a video of someone dying.

01:09:37.000 But it's the... With the George... That's a good question.

01:09:40.000 On the George Floyd video, it's...

01:09:44.000 The George Floyd video was different for the fact that it was a much longer process when he's on the ground, he's choking.

01:09:54.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't die until shortly thereafter.

01:09:57.000 No, he died on the ground.

01:09:58.000 Did he die down there in the ground?

01:10:00.000 Okay.

01:10:00.000 Yeah, on the ground.

01:10:01.000 So you guys would ban it or keep it?

01:10:03.000 So that's I think I would need to I would need to watch that video again to go and see it But if it's my when I was thinking through I thought that he died shortly thereafter But if it's the actual act of him dying then the moment I think it's a little bit different when someone's exploding You know, that's the moment when they're dying as opposed to here's the process if I'm slowly having the oxygen.

01:10:22.000 What about the Aaron Danielson thing?

01:10:24.000 There's a video, you can't really see it perfectly, but you can see him walk up and he yells, we got him here, and then you hear bang bang, and then the guy, you see the gas go off, the explosion happens, when the tank like ruptures, and a Trump supporter, he's dead.

01:10:37.000 When I talk to people about what's going on in the United States with rioting and violence, it's really easy to explain to them, you know, the fringe right element or ultra-traditionalist or whatever.

01:10:48.000 That they do crazy things, ramming cars or shooting people.

01:10:50.000 But trying to find evidence of Antifa when it's covered up by the media and they say it's lying is very difficult.

01:10:56.000 So if we're trying to go on social media, if someone like Andy Ngo is on the ground and he films this, you guys would ban it.

01:11:04.000 Uh, if it's again, where it's tough to do the hundred percent and again, we're going to, we'll get some things wrong and we're not always going to get it right every time we're continually reviewing it.

01:11:14.000 Uh, and that's where when you see it, you'll know.

01:11:17.000 But again, if it's, when you take like, you know, what happened to Andy, for example, and obviously he was beaten and, uh, he wasn't killed.

01:11:23.000 Yeah.

01:11:23.000 Right.

01:11:24.000 Thankfully.

01:11:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:11:25.000 Uh, obviously, but there, you know, uh, what happened with Andy that's, or if Andy was in a position of filming what happened to Andy, for example, obviously that'd be If they took his life in the street, you'd ban people from being able to see them doing it?

01:11:38.000 Uh, our posture is that we would show the aftermath, but the moment of where someone's life is being taken, uh, the Floyd one, the Floyd one becomes a little bit more difficult.

01:11:48.000 We're a lot of, uh, even a lot of the, and again, we're not the big news outlets, but we're a newsletter would show is here's part of the struggle that was happening.

01:11:57.000 That might show that actual moment.

01:11:58.000 So, That's maybe to clarify and again that's why it's tough to even say here's the broad generalization because it's right now with our kind of our North Star so to speak and dealing with this is at that moment where someone's life is being taken that should not be shown but obviously here is the the carnage in the aftermath of what happened

01:12:19.000 And again, here's the thing.

01:12:20.000 These are the tough decisions you have to make when you're running a platform because at a certain point you have to decide, and that's why I said not everyone's going to agree with you on every single time.

01:12:31.000 In order to defend our mission of having the political free speech and allowing people to go way further and not have the political discrimination exercised against them, there has to be that certain point where you're looking and saying, here's the line.

01:12:45.000 And that's tough.

01:12:46.000 I personally disagree with that policy, but I respect you standing firm and saying that's your policy and people who are listening can decide for themselves if that's a deal breaker or not.

01:12:57.000 I certainly think there's value in the fact that you're allowed to talk about news.

01:13:02.000 Outside of that context that Twitter doesn't allow.

01:13:04.000 That Joe Rogan would be able to talk with Dr. Robert Malone on Getter.

01:13:08.000 So I suppose people should have to navigate that stuff.

01:13:10.000 But let's talk about... I gotta ask you about a specific individual as it pertains to all these policies.

01:13:17.000 You say that people will not be treated differently.

01:13:20.000 But a lot of people are asking why Nick Fuentes was banned from Getter.

01:13:25.000 And what were hearings?

01:13:26.000 Everybody's saying he did not break any of your rules.

01:13:30.000 I would disagree on that.

01:13:32.000 There was a post that he put on Getter that was interpreted from our position as recruiting people who are in the white nationalist space.

01:13:41.000 And that's not something, when it comes to one of the white nationalist groups, that we're going to allow to happen on Getter.

01:13:47.000 And look, I'm not going to allow it.

01:13:48.000 What did he say?

01:13:49.000 He was effectively reaching out and, are there other Gropers that are on here? 0.99

01:13:54.000 How would you define a Groper?

01:13:56.000 As a white nationalist.

01:13:58.000 So you don't allow white nationalists on Getter? 0.98

01:14:01.000 Well, anyone can come on and join the play, except for terrorists. 0.96

01:14:04.000 We do not allow terrorists.

01:14:04.000 We ban terrorists.

01:14:06.000 And we've gone through and found the Twitter handles and other things for, you know, the Ayatollah, or Hamas, or Hezbollah, or some of these other folks, and blocked those accounts on Getter so they can't go and create it.

01:14:17.000 Obviously, someone could try to work around and find it, but if we find that, we're going to go and kick it off.

01:14:21.000 But if you're the way that we look at if you're part of a group that the only reason for existing is to go and try to cause harm to other people, that's going to make this an environment that's going to go and scare people and make them not feel safe.

01:14:34.000 I just want to know what specific term of service was that a violation of?

01:14:42.000 Uh, that would go into, or I would say that many people would be concerned that if you're turning, uh, getter effectively into the, uh, okay.

01:14:50.000 What's the specific term of service that he violated with that post?

01:14:55.000 Uh, so that, that would go into, um, as we talk about, uh, a white nationalist group, you talk about what that impact is going to be for say people of different races or religions.

01:15:05.000 So that because the presence of a white nationalist would be negative to another group, you've banned him.

01:15:12.000 I would describe it differently.

01:15:13.000 I would say from the fact that you're trying to then recruit for one of these organizations.

01:15:19.000 So Black Lives Matter's banned?

01:15:20.000 I would say if you went on there and said that, say, any group that's viewed as existing only to go and hate on people who are of a different race or religion, and you try to turn Getter into a recruitment zone, then we'd kick you off as well.

01:15:37.000 It seems a bit of a stretch.

01:15:38.000 Look, for obvious reasons, I'm no fan of any of these white nationalists.

01:15:42.000 You know, especially the stuff my family has dealt with. 1.00

01:15:45.000 And then I gotta deal with the racist woke people who accuse me of just all the stupidest trash. 1.00

01:15:51.000 It's laughable. 1.00

01:15:52.000 But the issue here is, posting on Getter saying, you know, are there any other Grapers doesn't seem like he was targeting, offending, attacking, or recruiting.

01:16:01.000 It just was like, hey, who's in the house?

01:16:03.000 And it seems to me that you guys probably banned him for a PR issue.

01:16:09.000 And this is my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you're worried that you'll get kicked out of the Play Store, that you'll get negative ramifications from Big Tech and Silicon Valley, and the only real reason to get rid of them was the threat from the establishment media.

01:16:24.000 No, I'd push back on that.

01:16:26.000 I mean, if that was the case, then I'd be hiding under the covers with a flashlight saying, what are people saying about COVID?

01:16:31.000 What are people saying?

01:16:33.000 Sure, but what you just described to us would mean that anyone who's woke is banned because they routinely, their ideology specifically calls out the idea of whiteness.

01:16:41.000 They're calling out white as a negative thing.

01:16:46.000 And so if someone goes on Getter and says, who here is a Black Lives Matter supporter?

01:16:50.000 You would ban them?

01:16:52.000 I would say if anyone is going out there, obviously the little bit of difference on some of the BLM, I think there are people who have participated, saying some of the marks, but if people are going out there, look, if you're saying that you're part of a group and the only reason for being a part of the group is to hate on someone who is of a different race or religion, we're not gonna allow it to become a recruiting zone.

01:17:13.000 There are a lot of left-wing groups that specifically do that.

01:17:15.000 Diversity, equity, inclusion, wokeness, critical race theory.

01:17:18.000 But there's a difference when you talk about some of the... Look, and we have libs and lefties and different people on the platform, but it's different between going on there and saying, I support some liberal ideology.

01:17:33.000 If you had somebody on there saying, look, they want to be a part of a group, that their only mission was to go and try to take down white people or take down people of some other race or religion, then we kick them off as well.

01:17:44.000 So, I mean, these writers, these... So, like, Robin D'Angelo's banned from Getter.

01:17:50.000 I don't know Robin, so... So, you know, she writes about whiteness and criticizes whiteness.

01:17:55.000 And so, Ibram X. Kendi, he's banned from Getter.

01:17:57.000 I would have to see what they're writing.

01:17:59.000 Those two names I don't know.

01:18:01.000 So Ibram Kendi has specifically called for racial discrimination.

01:18:04.000 You'd ban him for that?

01:18:06.000 Like in his book, he actually says the solution to past discrimination is present discrimination.

01:18:10.000 The solution to present discrimination is future discrimination.

01:18:14.000 So if he signed up, you'd be like, you're gone.

01:18:16.000 If it was someone, and again, I'd want to see the specific example to see how that's written, but the way that you described it on that, then we would not allow someone like that on the platform.

01:18:23.000 It sounds like you're actually way more strict than Twitter.

01:18:26.000 No, I would disagree and say that what Twitter is trying... So here's the difference.

01:18:30.000 There's a massive difference here.

01:18:32.000 When we set out with the platform and we have our vision of what we're trying to do here, make sure people go and express their opinions and not get kicked off and say that one ideology is accepted, but another ideology, for example, is not accepted.

01:18:46.000 Twitter looks and says, we want to form the world in a certain viewpoint.

01:18:49.000 We want to have people go in this certain direction.

01:18:52.000 That is not what we're trying to do.

01:18:53.000 But the one thing to make sure is that we have to make sure that people feel safe to be able to come on the platform.

01:18:59.000 And if they feel that, and again, this isn't a say you disagree on something.

01:19:03.000 That's Twitter's viewpoint.

01:19:06.000 Verbatim what Jack Dorsey told me.

01:19:07.000 We have to make sure it's safe for people.

01:19:09.000 And he said the reason they have the misgendering policy is because trans people feel unsafe by people questioning transgender ideology or transgender dysphoria.

01:19:19.000 You're saying the same thing?

01:19:20.000 No, because I think it's totally different, because what they're saying is they're going into places, say like in the public policy space, and they're saying that our viewpoint is allowed, but another viewpoint is not.

01:19:32.000 But when you're going into a place, and again, whether you're going in there and effectively attacking another group, Or if you're representing a group that is about attacking people, we're not going to allow that to happen. 0.56

01:19:44.000 So if someone would say white people are inferior or white people are crackers, would you ban them for that speech? 0.97

01:19:52.000 It said white people are... Inferior. 1.00

01:19:54.000 Or white people are crackers. 1.00

01:19:55.000 Oh no, evil. 1.00

01:19:56.000 Evil. 1.00

01:19:57.000 White people are evil. 1.00

01:19:58.000 Would you ban them? 0.99

01:19:59.000 No, if you went and said, yes, if you went and said something like, yes, like to a particular group, then we'd take that post down depending on the severity of the post that was there, depending if the user has their account suspended.

01:20:09.000 So what about someone like Abigail Schreier, is that her name?

01:20:13.000 She wrote the book on transgender children.

01:20:16.000 Would she be allowed to be on the platform talking about gender dysphoria in children? 0.98

01:20:20.000 So on, so again, not familiar with that, that particular author, but there's a difference between, there's a difference between someone being an idiot and being wrong and someone who's actively, um, uh, representing, uh, actively making the platform unsafe for someone else to be on. 0.99

01:20:35.000 So for example, uh, someone going on there saying, Hey, here's my idiotic left to center woke teaching, for example. 0.97

01:20:41.000 Okay. 0.98

01:20:42.000 But if they're going out and saying that.

01:20:45.000 Essentially suggesting harm, physical harm or physical threat on another community, then you can't allow that.

01:20:52.000 So if you have someone, like YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, they have these policies on protecting the trans community.

01:21:00.000 If someone on Getter said something like, children should not be allowed to undergo gender reassignment, that doctors who are giving them these chemicals are wrong, and all of these medical treatments should be taken away from these children and their parents should be arrested, would that be allowed on the platform?

01:21:18.000 I have short answers the way that you've described it, yes.

01:21:21.000 That would be a lot on the platform.

01:21:22.000 Correct.

01:21:23.000 So the difficult thing for me is, you know, I had that conversation with Jack Dorsey.

01:21:27.000 I referenced it.

01:21:28.000 It gets referenced a lot.

01:21:30.000 It sounds like the exact same conversation.

01:21:32.000 The difference being, Jack says, in our view of the world, what we prioritize, we've decided to keep the platform safe and ban these people.

01:21:40.000 And it just sounds like you have a different view of what you think is going to be safe or not safe.

01:21:44.000 So, probably as a more conservative leading individual, when I bring up that stuff about trans kids, you're like, oh, we'd allow that. 0.99

01:21:50.000 Well, Jack Dorsey would ban that.

01:21:51.000 But then when it comes to someone like Nick Fuentes, you're like, oh, we're going to ban that.

01:21:55.000 I mean, Twitter also banned that.

01:21:56.000 Twitter also banned.

01:21:57.000 But again, I'm going to push back on this.

01:21:59.000 And I'm going to say that, look, and I think the questions we guys are bringing up are very fair.

01:22:03.000 And look, I get...

01:22:05.000 Trust me, I get the questions all day long, but here is, I think there's a complete different because our philosophy is we want to have a place where people can come and bring their, their hottest takes and whether they want to take, whether it be politically incorrect, whether it be again, come from the left or the right, where they don't have to worry about someone coming in and editorializing and saying, well, this is my position.

01:22:25.000 This is how I view the world, uh, with regard to, uh, you know, this is whether it be, you know, again, you know, I was used like COVID or voting or whatever the case.

01:22:33.000 Or look, if you want to come and talk about, you know, kind of pro-wokism type stuff or left to center, we do not look at it and say, we want this opinion, but we don't want that opinion.

01:22:42.000 That's the difference between us and big tech.

01:22:44.000 Big tech is coming in, whether it be Twitter, Facebook, everyone else, they're putting up the warnings.

01:22:49.000 They're then editorializing.

01:22:50.000 It is not our place to go and editorialize and say that this person's political viewpoint is right and this person's is wrong.

01:22:58.000 Unless it goes against diversity, inclusivity, and equity.

01:23:01.000 Hold on, I don't think that's a fair description.

01:23:04.000 Let's take the immigration debate, for example.

01:23:09.000 Countless people have been kicked off.

01:23:10.000 I mean, take a look at what's happening in France right now.

01:23:12.000 I think part of the reason even why Eric Zemore, who's a conservative candidate who's running for president in France, has joined Getter, because what he's talking about is already the problems caused by migration, other things that are happening.

01:23:24.000 And he would get suspended or kicked off by saying half of that stuff on Twitter, because they don't want you to talk about the reality of, say, immigration, the problems that are caused.

01:23:34.000 And again, whether it's legal or illegal, or what's going on.

01:23:37.000 Getter, you're going to be able to go and express yourself and talk about these issues.

01:23:40.000 Now, if you want to take the next step about, I want to cause harm to somebody, we could then... But what does that mean, harm?

01:23:49.000 Well, I mean, obviously we have a number of different categories in there.

01:23:53.000 If you went and said that everyone who has this skin color is bad, I think that we would go to remove that post.

01:24:02.000 So that's, I mean, that's very much...

01:24:05.000 Look, I'll stress it again.

01:24:08.000 Obviously, I think very few people in the United States like racism.

01:24:14.000 There was a really great point- I mean, there are racists in this country, don't get me wrong.

01:24:16.000 And there was a really great point made on Tucker Carlson's show where one of his guests, he brought a leftist- a lefty person who said, Tucker, would you allow someone to come on here and make racist comments?

01:24:24.000 And Tucker was like, I wouldn't.

01:24:25.000 Exactly.

01:24:26.000 And that's your platform and your right to do.

01:24:28.000 So that I get.

01:24:29.000 Because I don't- I don't like any of that stuff.

01:24:31.000 I just feel like it is Getter, along with any one of these other platforms, has decided this is the only acceptable worldview.

01:24:42.000 You are not allowed to do these things on our platform, you know, period.

01:24:46.000 And so that's the big issue.

01:24:48.000 If you say it's about free speech, then often what we've brought up is, you know, on this show, and many anarchists have said this, and many conservatives, then the only speech that should be banned is if it crosses a legal threshold, not an opinion threshold, even if we really despise those opinions. 0.63

01:25:02.000 So for instance, I despise white nationalists. 1.00

01:25:05.000 I think they're stupid. 1.00

01:25:06.000 I think, and I really hate the woke people, but there is a real strength to diversity if you're talking about the actual core of diversity of viewpoint, which can come from people around the world and things like this. 1.00

01:25:16.000 But as much as I despise their opinions, I think banning that just leads us down a slippery slope of authoritarianism.

01:25:22.000 And if conservatives who are creating alternatives still uphold Silicon Valley's worldview, even if it's a little bit less, in 10 years, it will just keep getting worse.

01:25:30.000 So I'm going to disagree with you.

01:25:32.000 Um, and the reason on that is what Big Tech and Silicon Valley are doing, they're trying to push people in a certain direction and say, here's what, in the YouTube, the climate change, we're joking about it, um, uh, before the show, but it's actually a very serious point because that is where it's expanded beyond, okay, here's Trump and we're going to be mad at him for January 6th or something of that nature.

01:25:53.000 Or this is, you know, causing some kind of, you know, sedition or some kind of illegal activity.

01:25:58.000 They're not going into the public policy space, and they're saying, if you agree with our position, we're all worldview.

01:26:03.000 And it might not even be that granular.

01:26:04.000 Start going to see whether it be, you know, trans or immigration or, you know, different issues like that.

01:26:08.000 I just, I agree with you.

01:26:10.000 I understand the point you're making.

01:26:11.000 I'm not trying to be rude, but I think we're starting to go in a circle.

01:26:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:15.000 So, yeah, just, I guess your point, and I think it's still a good thing, and I hate to be, You know, we have the opportunity to bring Rumble's CEO on and you on, and it becomes this, like, negative, critical thing, but we would never get this opportunity with Zuckerberg or, you know, Wojcicki or whoever the CEO of Twitter is.

01:26:32.000 And so that's one thing I think is important to point out.

01:26:35.000 We should be careful about, you know, being overly critical and potentially damaging to opportunities.

01:26:41.000 If Getter still has the same rules or similar rules to Twitter in this regard, but doesn't editorialize political opinion in regard to policy and stuff, That I'd rather use Getter and I think it's a good thing.

01:26:52.000 That being said, I think in the bigger picture, we need alternatives and decentralization in social media space that doesn't make ethical decisions for what people are allowed to say.

01:27:06.000 You know, in your view, you think it's unsafe for people if someone comes on and doesn't like their skin color.

01:27:11.000 I don't know if unsafe is the right word.

01:27:12.000 I don't know if I would agree with that if someone says bad things about someone of a race.

01:27:16.000 I don't like those people. 0.73

01:27:17.000 I think they're awful.

01:27:19.000 I wouldn't want to associate with them and I would vote against them and I would encourage my friends to vote against them if they want to bring those policies up.

01:27:25.000 But I fear a society where we have homogenized, you know, we are increasingly homogenizing the moral pathway.

01:27:34.000 So let me take a slightly different take on that.

01:27:37.000 And again, as I mentioned earlier, we have a global platform, about half of the US, a little more than half outside.

01:27:42.000 One of the things where part of the reason why some of the alternative, the challenger platform, so to speak, have never taken off is because they've been viewed as an echo chamber.

01:27:49.000 And in saying that, you know, this is just a white nationalist playground, something of that nature.

01:27:55.000 If you actually want to go and have debates, you want to have people that are going to participate and be in there, the message has to be sent.

01:28:02.000 You have to have the spirit of the platform that you can come on here and you can have your unfiltered political take and you can go and criticize people, go and do your thing.

01:28:11.000 But people aren't concerned that they're going to become harmed by something that happens from the platform.

01:28:16.000 But you mean harmed like they'll see a mean thing?

01:28:20.000 No, not a mean thing, but I'm saying because real quickly, as we talk about it again, if Getter was allowed to become, like I said, the OkCupid of the social media space for white nationalists, then that's going to go and tell people, massive people, that this is not an actual place for free speech.

01:28:41.000 This is just something for one group.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, but then it's in the algorithm.

01:28:45.000 You could choose what you want to hear, who you want to be subscribed to.

01:28:47.000 So if you don't want to see that, you just simply don't subscribe to them.

01:28:50.000 And then my bigger kind of question that's a little bit more pointed is, you know, a lot of people feel let down by big tech, by social media, arbitrarily censoring speech all in the name of safety.

01:29:00.000 You're talking about, you know, respecting free speech.

01:29:03.000 Other than just words and promises, are there any reinsurances that you could give the people here today that you won't become like the next Twitter or Facebook?

01:29:11.000 Yeah, no, that's a very fair question.

01:29:12.000 I'd say a couple of things you can look at, I would say, take a look at right now.

01:29:16.000 Some of those names that I pointed out earlier, I've taken a look, whether it's Dr. Malone or Alex Jones or Steve Bannon or people that are on the platform.

01:29:22.000 And again, my goal and right now, obviously, Naomi Wolf is not, you know, the extreme on, say, like on the on the left side, but we have had actually a number of feminists from the UK who've joined the platform because they even they've gotten fed up with some of the big tech. 1.00

01:29:35.000 Our goal as we expand, I want people from the left.

01:29:37.000 I want people from the center, want people from the right, want people all over.

01:29:41.000 One of the things we're doing, I kind of touched on this earlier, is we're going to start, we're working on it.

01:29:45.000 We should have it done by now.

01:29:46.000 Again, we've only been around six months, but that's not an excuse because we're always, I mean, we're going to be judged against platforms that have been around for a lot longer, is start publishing more of the specific community guidelines of things so people understand kind of where those areas are.

01:29:58.000 But the mission that everyone on our team has, whether it's on the team, whether it's a moderator, everybody, There are two litmus tests if you're going to be a part of Getter, as far as our team or anyone on board.

01:30:09.000 Number one, do you support free speech?

01:30:12.000 Number two, do you oppose cancel culture and wokeism?

01:30:15.000 Those are the two things, doesn't matter what country you're in, doesn't matter what your background is, those are the two principles that you're going to be on board.

01:30:22.000 And everybody, either you're on board with that or you're not part of the platform.

01:30:25.000 It's a free country.

01:30:26.000 Awesome.

01:30:26.000 I'll say up front, I really like competing businesses, especially in the social media sphere, but some issues I basically right away is like, without limitation, the ability to ban anyone that is deemed offensive or inappropriate.

01:30:39.000 I get it.

01:30:40.000 As a private company, I feel like you should be able to ban anyone at any time, whatever.

01:30:44.000 When we talk about free speech and social networking, I believe it's not about the terms of service because you could quit, another guy could come in and be like, well, no, that's offensive.

01:30:52.000 No, that has beanies offensive.

01:30:55.000 Free speech and social networking is free software code.

01:30:58.000 That's the freedom.

01:31:00.000 The ability to pick it up and make another one.

01:31:02.000 Well, we're building that.

01:31:04.000 I don't think we should take it away from people who built their own private one.

01:31:06.000 We can build our public one.

01:31:08.000 I can't force someone to free their software code, but I can't trust, like you said, there's no shadow banning.

01:31:15.000 Correct.

01:31:15.000 I can't trust that unless I can inspect the code.

01:31:17.000 Well, part of that, look, Part of that is, so a couple of things here, is you start moving toward, which again we hope to be an IPO within a couple years here, you know we're about six months in, about two years, when you start moving toward going into, and obviously we want to be a public company,

01:31:34.000 The comments and the positions are taken by the leadership CEO, other people, their ramifications, if you're not accurate and tell people.

01:31:41.000 So if you were to go out and say that there's no shadowbanning, no algorithming, and they find out that as the CEO, you're saying that, but that is happening, then there are, I mean, you know, the Sarbane-Oxley type things on crack that would go and that you'd be in real actual trouble.

01:31:55.000 So there is an actual method where if you're putting out untrue statements, then there are real ramifications.

01:32:01.000 You could see how, like Fauci said, I never said we did gain of function, we just added function to the bat.

01:32:06.000 So you could say we're not shadowbanning, but be doing something similar to shadowbanning and people wouldn't know.

01:32:11.000 No, but also part of that, look, one of the things, I mean, I don't want to put you on the defensive, it's not about what you say, it's that I can't trust you.

01:32:17.000 I have to only trust the code base.

01:32:19.000 And real quick, Twitter has claimed over and over again, it's an accident, it's an accident, it's an accident.

01:32:24.000 They've said we don't shadowban, then they get caught, then they go and testify before Congress.

01:32:28.000 Unfortunately, Ian's right.

01:32:30.000 I don't agree with him on forcing companies to free their software code.

01:32:33.000 You guys built this.

01:32:34.000 It's proprietary.

01:32:35.000 You own it.

01:32:36.000 But the reality is, there's no real way for us to know that these platforms are being fair and honest in their algorithms unless they do release all the code.

01:32:44.000 So you're right from the aspect that the transparency from the aspect of what's going on, that's critical.

01:32:51.000 If you want to go and have the trust and verification, I do think that for some of the bigger users and people we have on the platform, those are pretty good signals about how we're judging, how we're treating things.

01:33:00.000 I also think that myself as a CEO, the fact that I've gone into the proverbial lion's den, whether that's sitting down with Kara Swisher for three hours, We're sitting down with, uh, uh, you know, the, the Timcast folks for a couple hours that you have to go out there and say, here's what the, the spirit is, and here's what we're doing.

01:33:19.000 And then you have to make sure that you go and everybody on the team goes in the exact same position.

01:33:23.000 If they're not, then they'll get fired.

01:33:25.000 They'll get bounced, uh, in a moment.

01:33:26.000 And that is, uh, that is exactly where we're at.

01:33:29.000 And so one of the things that we're doing again, cause the terms of service, just be clear on this, because when we first can have the terms of service, And we started going through and that was kind of to your point, Ian, was, well, what, you know, this looks legally like this looks very, and again, with the lawyer said, I'm not a lawyer, but obviously I spent a lot of money now on lawyers.

01:33:46.000 What they said is that, well, because you can't go into a court of law on someone, if you have a contract with someone and just say, well, here, here are my feelings, for example.

01:33:55.000 Because they'll say that's BS, there's very specific language, because this is your contract with someone.

01:34:00.000 Where we are going to, this was the point that I made a moment ago, when we start publishing more of the Community Guidelines so people know within the exact things there, as far as certain statements and what's allowed, what's not permitted, they will have a better understanding of that.

01:34:13.000 We should have had that out there at the beginning.

01:34:14.000 There's also a lot of questions.

01:34:15.000 I just want to ask one more question here before we wrap here.

01:34:19.000 There's a lot of people asking about the money that came into to build Getter.

01:34:23.000 What's stopping it from obviously influencing the platform?

01:34:27.000 I think it came from one individual from China.

01:34:30.000 I believe I'm correct.

01:34:31.000 And the second question is, what's your strategy against being influenced by the ESG environmental social governance score when your company does go public?

01:34:40.000 Ah, okay.

01:34:41.000 So a couple of things there.

01:34:42.000 I will take them in reverse order again.

01:34:45.000 I will admit, at least since we're a little ways away from the going public, some of the details on that I'm not an expert on.

01:34:51.000 I'll just tell you that I don't have that.

01:34:53.000 Where I typically get into more of the battles is what's going on now where we see certain countries that are starting to say, you have to go and allow certain things.

01:35:00.000 Now, Obviously, we have to make sure that we are abiding by, say, a country's laws.

01:35:05.000 So, for example, what's permitted, if it's a country that we care about, I mean, that's part of it, because there might be some countries that might say, hey, if you allow this on the platform, then we're not going to have you here.

01:35:14.000 We might say, well, we're not changing anything just for you guys.

01:35:16.000 So, obviously, you've got to take on kind of the country by country basis.

01:35:20.000 But some of that with the ESG part I admittedly can't speak to quite as well.

01:35:26.000 It's big investment firms coming to companies saying you need to abide by this rule and this rule and we're going to implement this policy and give you all this institutional money when you promote this agenda.

01:35:36.000 Yeah, we tell someone to pound sand. 0.97

01:35:38.000 I mean, when you talk about kind of other things or kind of the spirit, even if you go to our logo, the getter, the torch with the flame, what that represents, that's about bringing lightness to dark, about bringing freedom and democracy to places where they don't have it.

01:35:49.000 So for example, one of the things we want to do, I still fundamentally think, look, I'm not like a I wouldn't say that I have rose-colored glasses on.

01:35:58.000 I still think that social media can be a force for good for expanding democracy and taking down authoritarian regimes around the world.

01:36:06.000 I would love for people in China to rise up and take down the CCP.

01:36:10.000 I would love for people to have that freedom of expression, that thought, because here's the deal.

01:36:15.000 As soon as you start taking away people's ability to communicate, their ability to speak, You're basically at China. 0.96

01:36:22.000 I mean, that's basically where you are.

01:36:24.000 Or you're in Iran, or wherever the case may be.

01:36:26.000 Let me go to Ian.

01:36:26.000 I do want to answer his other part, but if you want to jump in.

01:36:29.000 Oh yeah, but the investment money from China I think is an important question.

01:36:32.000 Go for that.

01:36:34.000 But to the point, if someone came in and said, hey, we want to go and buy you guys, but we're going to transition you guys into a bunch of wokesters or something, we'd tell them to go pound sand. 0.99

01:36:41.000 Let me go to the funding, because I want to make sure that I take this head on.

01:36:44.000 There are no questions.

01:36:46.000 So we're backed by multiple international investment firms, one that's based in London, one that's based in New Jersey.

01:36:53.000 We have additional people that we're currently doing rounds of meetings to go and chat with about additional investments that are coming in.

01:36:58.000 There is no China money.

01:37:00.000 There's no CCP money, uh, that's involved in this.

01:37:03.000 Um, and that's one of the things where I think just quite frankly, look, when

01:37:07.000 you search to number one, you got a big old target on your back.

01:37:09.000 Everyone's going to take shots at you.

01:37:10.000 The specific name that's frequently brought up as miles glow, who is

01:37:14.000 a here in the U S on political asylum.

01:37:17.000 Uh, he has someone who's a very strong ally, uh, of the company.

01:37:20.000 He's someone who's a, uh, very much a, uh, kindred spirit as far as, I mean, literally he took a song, uh, on iTunes called take down the CCP to number one.

01:37:29.000 So, okay.

01:37:30.000 If you hit number one on iTunes with a song called take down the CCP, I'm going to guess that you probably don't like the CCP.

01:37:37.000 Great music video, by the way, as well.

01:37:39.000 It is.

01:37:40.000 It is pretty cool.

01:37:42.000 But one of the firms who's invested in us has a heavy influence from Miles' family foundation.

01:37:49.000 Miles does not have a direct financial or leadership role within the company.

01:37:54.000 I have a board of directors with my company.

01:37:56.000 I have shareholders that I am accountable to.

01:37:59.000 That is the structure.

01:38:01.000 I get ideas or hear things from Miles or obviously he's very supportive and we're very like-minded.

01:38:06.000 I've spent a lot of time with him talking about taking down the CCP and kind of our shared worldview on that.

01:38:12.000 He is not my boss.

01:38:13.000 He is not someone who goes and says this is what the policy is going to be or not going to be or that case.

01:38:18.000 But look, here's the thing is, When you come in, you become a marketplace disruptor.

01:38:23.000 When you come in, not just taking on the big tech, but you go and there are other people who are saying that viewed as more in the center, right type space or people who are challenger platforms, everyone starts shooting at you.

01:38:33.000 And so people go and, uh, obviously there are a lot of things that put out from other platforms.

01:38:37.000 Uh, they're just plain false.

01:38:38.000 And I think that, uh, it's sad if they think that all of a sudden people are going to, Oh, I'm not going to go to get her, but I'm going to go to your platform.

01:38:44.000 Uh, but look, uh, this is, this is the NFL.

01:38:47.000 Yeah, you said what I was going to say earlier that social media is a great opportunity to solve this authoritarian dictatorship crisis on earth.

01:38:54.000 I fully agree with that.

01:38:55.000 But the problem I keep coming up against is that corporations are inherently authoritarian.

01:38:59.000 We have their top down.

01:39:00.000 Like you said, you could fire everybody if they stop agreeing with you.

01:39:03.000 Do whatever you want.

01:39:04.000 That's true.

01:39:04.000 You own the company.

01:39:06.000 So it's like the process is this, is the pathway is the goal.

01:39:11.000 So like being authoritarian to solve authoritarian doesn't, that doesn't rub me the right way.

01:39:15.000 I want to get to super.

01:39:16.000 I don't want to apologize.

01:39:17.000 This is a great show.

01:39:18.000 I want to get to the questions from the audience.

01:39:19.000 Can I just make one point here?

01:39:22.000 When I was going through the, when I started first chatting with, um, uh, the shareholders and people putting together together, uh, over the, this last spring.

01:39:30.000 And we chatted, I probably spent three or four months talking to him before I left President Trump and came on board with Getter.

01:39:37.000 And part of the thing is I really want to kick the tires on some of these questions because, look, if I'm going to go and put my reputation on the line and bring people onto this and go out and say, hey, you need to come to Getter.

01:39:47.000 This is the free speech platform.

01:39:49.000 This is the one platform that can actually take down big tech.

01:39:52.000 This is the platform that can be the Twitter killer.

01:39:55.000 You got to kick the tires.

01:39:56.000 You got to make sure that you're pretty solid.

01:39:57.000 And I remember asking a question during the process, during the interview process, when I kind of turned it around and said, if there is an opportunity here to enter into a new country where we can get 10 million new users, or, but we're going to have to kowtow in some way to the CCP, or we could say no to entering into this country, but we can go and make progress on taking down the CCP, but we miss out on 10 million new customers.

01:40:20.000 Where would it be?

01:40:20.000 They said a hundred times out of the hundred, take down the CCP.

01:40:24.000 That is, that is where things are.

01:40:25.000 And so when you're wondering where we're coming from, but our North Star is, that's exactly where it is.

01:40:31.000 Let me read some of these questions.

01:40:32.000 We got Waffle Sensei.

01:40:33.000 We're going to go to Super Chats.

01:40:34.000 If you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share this video wherever you can, let people know to come watch.

01:40:39.000 We're going to answer your Super Chats to the best of our abilities.

01:40:42.000 Go to TimCast.com for the uncensored members show, which will be up around 11 or so p.m.

01:40:45.000 Let's read.

01:40:46.000 Waffles Sensei says, Jason, can you promise publicly and in the written policy that when you are forced to censor content because your team finds it too egregious to remain on the platform, that you will offer an easy path to forgiveness and a limit on the amount of time you can ban someone?

01:41:02.000 I think that's a great point.

01:41:03.000 One of the things where we have not done an effective job enough with people is notifying them for exactly for how long a suspension will be or what exactly.

01:41:13.000 And I will say that, look, as the CEO, some of that will come on me of saying it should have that tightened up more by now.

01:41:19.000 So I will say that making it clear to someone, here's how long the suspension will be, it was mainly about the duration?

01:41:29.000 Well, so what they're asking for is a path of forgiveness, right?

01:41:32.000 With Twitter, if you break the rules, you get a life sentence.

01:41:36.000 And so one of the things that Dorsey had talked about in the past that he never implemented was there would always be a time limit.

01:41:42.000 That you could post the most egregious thing and they wouldn't boot you permanently from the platform.

01:41:46.000 It might just be like a year suspension or two years or three or there would be some path to redemption so you can come back on the platform.

01:41:53.000 So I think, I think this is a great question.

01:41:55.000 I would say that there, I say that for many cases, there should be a path of forgiveness.

01:42:02.000 Uh, now some there's not going to be.

01:42:04.000 So for example, if you go put up a, uh, and again, we can sit here and do the back and forth on which examples, but say for example, like you post child born or something like that.

01:42:12.000 Okay, you're never coming back.

01:42:13.000 But I think that there are cases where there should be a path of forgiveness.

01:42:18.000 I think that's an insightful question.

01:42:20.000 And when we post our community guidelines in greater detail, we will have a pathway back to forgiveness more articulately fleshed out.

01:42:30.000 But I think that's actually a really smart point.

01:42:31.000 You know, I'm a big fan of banning accounts instead of individuals.

01:42:34.000 That way, if they violate with one account and they make a new account that's not violating the terms, then you don't ban it.

01:42:40.000 Otherwise, it feels like a witch hunt.

01:42:41.000 That's how I run it anyway.

01:42:43.000 So let me go and push back on that a little bit.

01:42:46.000 Sometimes it's not all the way.

01:42:47.000 So say, for example, if you had the Ayatollah, for example.

01:42:51.000 So the Ayatollah says, OK, we're banning, you know, at I hate Israel or whatever the Ayatollah's account is.

01:42:57.000 But then he pops in as Steve from Iran, and he keeps spouting off the same nonsense. 0.92

01:43:05.000 That's a quick example of where it's not always quite that easy.

01:43:09.000 If it's the same nonsense, you keep banning it.

01:43:10.000 But if it comes on with an innocuous channel and is like, hey, I'm back, sorry.

01:43:15.000 I'm not going to make that mistake again.

01:43:17.000 That's kind of like, for me, the on-ramp to redemption.

01:43:19.000 I think, I think that, I think that more of what that, uh, the, the user question that just post on the, on the super chat, I think is more accurate.

01:43:27.000 And I think that's, uh, as I'm thinking through that here, that's, I think that's a smart point.

01:43:32.000 The smart idea.

01:43:34.000 I'm just looking through the Super Chats trying to make sure I can find good questions. 0.91

01:43:38.000 A lot of the Super Chats people are asking about Nick Fuentes, and a lot of them we addressed.

01:43:42.000 I am going to bring him back up in other contexts, but I want to make sure we get to some good questions.

01:43:50.000 Captain says, would you take down the JFK assassination video if it was posted?

01:43:56.000 I would say that if it's the, that's a great question, I would say if it's showing the moment at which JFK, I'd say to be consistent with where we are in the others, if it's the moment of the bullet entering him, then being consistent with the others, and that's not something that we'd have up.

01:44:15.000 Matt Price says, if someone wanted to post the passing of a loved family member, maybe at the request of the family member to share their last words, would that get banned?

01:44:22.000 That's a good question.

01:44:24.000 Get in the nuance, because this one's kind of like, you know, in a hospital bed.

01:44:28.000 Look, I can tell you where a policy is, what the, again, the vision of this is.

01:44:38.000 I'm not convinced entirely, but I want to discuss that with the team.

01:44:42.000 Again, it's not necessarily that I don't make every decision in a vacuum.

01:44:46.000 Again, that's the reason why we have this executive team to kind of go through this one.

01:44:50.000 But again, we want to be as consistent as possible.

01:44:52.000 We don't want to send people mixed messages and say that, and sometimes that's part of the hot take reaction.

01:44:58.000 So graphic death and murder are different than just death itself.

01:45:01.000 Well, it's the killing.

01:45:03.000 The killing is, again, where we said the point is.

01:45:06.000 The point of where you take someone's life.

01:45:09.000 That is the focus.

01:45:11.000 I just don't want to think about this because if I say one thing, then people say, well, you know, has it been already updated or what's going on?

01:45:19.000 These are great points, but again, it's the act of taking someone's life at that moment where we have said that this is, that's not what we want to show on the platform.

01:45:28.000 All right, so we've got... Bugoff says, does Getter ban all racial nationalists regardless of color?

01:45:36.000 So if it's, say for example, if they're... Black nationalists, like the Nation of Islam, like Farrakhan, he's banned.

01:45:45.000 Farrakhan, yes, he is someone who is banned.

01:45:48.000 If you went in and used a... If you go and use a racial slur against white people, for example, yes, you're going to be kicked off and you're going to be banned.

01:45:56.000 Well, he uses racial slurs for Jewish people. 0.76

01:45:59.000 He's a particularly egregious actor.

01:46:01.000 And he's not allowed on the platform.

01:46:02.000 So if someone joined and said, how many people here support the Nation of Islam, would you ban them?

01:46:07.000 If they went and said, Nation of Islam, the answer is yes. 0.99

01:46:11.000 They would be. 0.97

01:46:12.000 Nation of Islam is very clearly, they exist to try to bring harm to people of Jewish and white backgrounds. 1.00

01:46:18.000 What about religious nationalism?

01:46:20.000 Because you mentioned that religious groups would be protected. 0.81

01:46:22.000 What if, you know, someone came in and said, if you're not a Christian, you're bad, you're a bad, bad person, and all nations should be only Christian.

01:46:29.000 Would that be banned?

01:46:31.000 There is, so we need to look at the exact context.

01:46:36.000 I'm going to tell you why on this.

01:46:37.000 There are, we have plenty of people who are on Getter who say that your path to salvation is through Christ and anything else you're not going to have unless you have salvation through Christ.

01:46:50.000 That's the pathway to heaven.

01:46:52.000 Everyone else is going to go to hell.

01:46:55.000 And that is, and you were talking about that, that is your religious belief.

01:47:00.000 There's a difference, I think, between that and, obviously, I'm not an expert.

01:47:07.000 Well, I'm asking about nationals specifically. 0.98

01:47:09.000 Like, so you see those guys who have the big signs that say, you're going to burn, you're evil, you're a sinner.

01:47:13.000 It's very different from like, you know, most people I know who are religious, you know, they're like, I understand, you know, you have to find your own path to salvation.

01:47:20.000 I believe it's this.

01:47:21.000 And then there are people who are outright like, You know, what's that thing that the Templars would yell?

01:47:26.000 Deus vult.

01:47:28.000 There are people who post things like that.

01:47:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:29.000 Would you ban that phrase, for instance?

01:47:31.000 I think where... God wills it, it means.

01:47:33.000 If it comes where you are wishing the harm to somebody else, but if you're saying, here's my religious teaching, and again, I can use the example because I obviously have much better sense on the Christianity part, that our group, say, if you're saying that through this relationship with Christ, that's how you're going to heaven.

01:47:51.000 Anyone else is going to go to hell.

01:47:53.000 Yeah, you can go and post that.

01:47:54.000 I think that's different if it's a difference if you're talking about your religious belief, your religious position, but then you're going in effectively wishing harm than on another group.

01:48:04.000 Take that exact statement that your path to salvation is only through, you know, Christ.

01:48:09.000 That's okay, right?

01:48:10.000 Like you are going to go to hell if you don't believe in Christ.

01:48:12.000 He's your only path to salvation.

01:48:13.000 That's acceptable.

01:48:14.000 Yes.

01:48:14.000 What if they said something, basically the exact same thing, but it was a racial connotation?

01:48:18.000 Like, you are all going to burn unless you support black nationalism, and black nationalism is your only pathway to salvation. 1.00

01:48:26.000 Would that be allowed? 0.98

01:48:28.000 The black nationalism, again, if it's... And I don't mean a single, I just mean like a racial connotation, any race, Asian nationalism or whatever.

01:48:38.000 So again, it's, uh, look, there is a, um, where I've not done the deeper dive is on the, uh, the racial nationalism, the way, cause one of the things we want to make sure, look again, we're, we're up in operating number of countries.

01:48:49.000 We have people who are, um, Hindu nationalists, for example, that are on the platform very much.

01:48:53.000 Uh, India is one of our big expansion countries.

01:48:55.000 In fact, I'm, I'm going there in March.

01:48:57.000 Um, and we have a lot of people who are in fact, uh, the Hindu ecosystem, for example, is one of the big accounts that has just joined in there, signing up a lot of folks in India to help out.

01:49:06.000 Obviously, there's a lot of strife and turmoil with both the Hindu and Muslim communities, both in India and around.

01:49:13.000 And yeah, a lot of people, again, who are Hindu nationalists, for example, on the religious side.

01:49:19.000 The racial side, I think, is different.

01:49:24.000 I think through, so say for somebody who came in and had the, so BLM's not a religion.

01:49:30.000 Political ideology.

01:49:32.000 That's a political ideology.

01:49:33.000 So I think there's a difference between the religion and a political ideology on that sense.

01:49:37.000 A lot of people are asking you why you think Nick Fuentes is a white nationalist.

01:49:43.000 So from, well, a couple of things.

01:49:47.000 From the, both from his, the comments and things, I mean, he's self-identified.

01:49:53.000 Well, they're all denying that.

01:49:56.000 He's never, so this is what we're getting in comments.

01:49:58.000 They're saying Nick Fuentes has never stated that there is a race better than another race, that white people are better, nor that he's identified as a white nationalist.

01:50:07.000 And I'm not saying it's true, because I don't know.

01:50:09.000 I'm just telling you what the comments are asking you.

01:50:11.000 They're wondering why you are accusing him when they say the accusation is false.

01:50:16.000 Well, I would say, look, even if someone off the street who I didn't know, but they were making an effort to go and recruit.

01:50:23.000 Well, let me just ask you, have you ever seen or heard anything from Nick Fuentes that was white nationalism?

01:50:27.000 Like, have you directly heard from him specifically?

01:50:30.000 I have a limited volume of things that I've seen from Nick Fuentes.

01:50:35.000 Obviously, I've seen him use some words that would not be allowed on our platform, some racial slurs that would not be allowed on our platform.

01:50:42.000 But the point is, even if it wasn't Fuentes, anyone else who came in and made a similar comment or was trying to organize or pull people together who were in a group that's identified as... Who identified them as white nationalists?

01:50:57.000 As far as on the Groper side? 0.98

01:50:58.000 I gotta be completely honest, I don't know a whole lot about what Gropers are.

01:51:01.000 And I'll admit, it's not a community I've spent a ton of time that I've seen, but I've seen a number of writings and things where that's how that group has been defined.

01:51:12.000 So you're saying because the media has called them white nationalists, you've banned Nick Fuentes?

01:51:17.000 No, I'd say that, save for the fact that if you're out there trying to organize and collect with a group, that I don't even think it's just the media.

01:51:25.000 I mean, look at many people who've self-ID'd as being part of that group or part of that ideology.

01:51:31.000 Bro, I don't think you got an argument here, man. 1.00

01:51:32.000 This sounds like complete bullshit. 0.99

01:51:34.000 I don't think you know anything about this group. 1.00

01:51:36.000 I gotta be honest, I don't either.

01:51:37.000 But this is just talking in circles.

01:51:40.000 I've not listened to Nick Fuentes.

01:51:42.000 I don't know a lot about him.

01:51:43.000 I know that he's been banned across the board.

01:51:45.000 I know that he's had trouble getting on planes.

01:51:47.000 I can hear what his fans are saying, but I don't know.

01:51:50.000 Maybe they're just lying because they want to support him.

01:51:52.000 I really don't know.

01:51:53.000 So it's really difficult for me to be like, you know, to understand exactly what he did wrong.

01:52:00.000 The issue for me is, when I ask you, you don't seem to know either.

01:52:05.000 No.

01:52:06.000 All you said is that he posted who else here is a Graper. 0.98

01:52:08.000 I'm like, well, what's a Graper? 1.00

01:52:09.000 You don't know.

01:52:10.000 You just read it in the media and said something bad about him.

01:52:12.000 Is that justification?

01:52:13.000 For me, I got no idea.

01:52:14.000 I thought you were going to come on and be like, look, Nick Fuentes said this and he said this.

01:52:20.000 And you got to understand, we did research on Grapers and found this, but you don't even have that.

01:52:25.000 Look, and I'm going to say on this that you're not going to make everyone happy when you're running a social media platform and people are going to have different opinions.

01:52:32.000 So your opinion might be that, hey, that that's BS.

01:52:36.000 There are other people are going to say, look, these guys are making sure that this is a safe platform and we respect what they're doing.

01:52:41.000 They're giving us that ability to have that political free speech.

01:52:44.000 And look, we might just disagree on this one.

01:52:46.000 I just feel like, look, I can, you know, I'll stress it again.

01:52:50.000 I do believe that Getter is likely to censor less than Twitter is.

01:52:55.000 But I also kind of feel like if you can't give us a direct quote from Nick Fuentes that got him banned, explain to us in detail what a groper is or how you know what it is, then it just sounds to me that the moment the media piles up on me or Luke or anybody else, you'll ban us too.

01:53:11.000 I understand they pile up on Nick Fuentes more than anybody else.

01:53:14.000 But there's, hold on, hold on, but there is, there is a difference between taking a very pointed political take, uh, or saying this is, uh, and, uh, going into the other direction.

01:53:28.000 And so, uh, we've made very clear that we are never going to shadow ban or algorithm or go and use different standards for people based on their political beliefs.

01:53:38.000 We've made that very clear.

01:53:39.000 No, I get it, man, but I mean, I still don't understand why you banned Nick Fuentes.

01:53:44.000 Like, you're saying Groepers are bad, you're saying he's a white national and stuff, and I'm like, oh, I mean, Wikipedia says that, I guess.

01:53:50.000 But isn't it important that, you know, you guys actually have a definitive, this broke the rules?

01:53:56.000 Like, when Luke asked you, what did he say that broke the rules?

01:53:58.000 A lot of people are asking the same question.

01:54:00.000 You never answered that question.

01:54:01.000 You didn't say what rule he broke.

01:54:03.000 What term, specifically, did he break?

01:54:05.000 And if, and if you're, you know, you respond to something, the fact of, you know, gripers are white nationalists and they're a hateful group and he's recruiting.

01:54:11.000 So, you know, Nation of Islam would be banned as well. 0.58

01:54:13.000 My response is, Oh, okay.

01:54:14.000 What's a griper.

01:54:15.000 And so this will be, and this is where I told you, I said, look, we should have had our, uh, the more specific community guidelines go into specific examples.

01:54:23.000 We should have already had that posted and up.

01:54:24.000 That's one of the things we're working on now.

01:54:26.000 Uh, and we'll have that up very shortly.

01:54:29.000 So it's a little more detailed.

01:54:30.000 Cause again, the, the terms of service are always going to be more general because that's your legal contract.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, you know, this kind of stuff's tough because Dr. Malone gets banned from Twitter for talking about his opinions as a scientist and a researcher, as an expert.

01:54:46.000 He goes on Joe Rogan and he mentions that he's using Getter and Getter allows him to be on the platform.

01:54:50.000 That's correct?

01:54:52.000 Dr. Malone is on Getter?

01:54:53.000 Correct.

01:54:53.000 He's been on for, I think, a month, month and a half, something like that.

01:54:55.000 And so, you know, one of the things I said about Rumble is that, for the time being, I think most people should recognize all of these platforms have similar rules to a certain degree, but there's like certain political bubbles where you're allowed some more leeway than others.

01:55:11.000 That being said, Getter I think is a net positive, but I gotta say it's not confidence building that...

01:55:18.000 I know how the media is going to spin this.

01:55:20.000 Tim defends alt-right or whatever.

01:55:21.000 I don't care.

01:55:22.000 I don't know enough about Nick Fuentes to even criticize the guy other than people have posted things about him and accused him of things.

01:55:28.000 But if I was running a social media company, my response would be, people would come to me and be like, you got to ban this guy.

01:55:33.000 He's recruiting gropers. 0.97

01:55:33.000 I'd be like, what's a groper? 0.97

01:55:35.000 They'd be like, they're white nationalists. 0.68

01:55:36.000 Oh, wow.

01:55:36.000 Can you show me a video clip of them saying and doing these things?

01:55:39.000 And that would, sure.

01:55:41.000 Like, you know, you show me that stuff and be like, oh, okay, maybe we have an issue with that.

01:55:45.000 But I got to be honest, you know, just if that's all he posted, really?

01:55:49.000 Look, it's crazy.

01:55:51.000 And maybe look, I mean, maybe this is maybe this goes in that category from the previous one that you mentioned that is this a period of time as opposed to, um, Uh, as opposed to being indefinite.

01:56:03.000 And that's one of the things we'll have to go and discuss.

01:56:05.000 But, but again, your point, Tim, I think it seems that you're getting to is how do you know that things won't change?

01:56:11.000 How do you know the rug will get pulled out from, uh, from, and look, you can make the same point or criticism about any platform.

01:56:19.000 Ultimately you have to point to who are the people, uh, that are on the platform.

01:56:23.000 Uh, what are the debates that are being allowed to happen that are different from other platforms?

01:56:28.000 And also, I think, what is your mission statement?

01:56:31.000 What are you trying to accomplish?

01:56:32.000 And I think what we do on that, both the people on the platform and the debates that are being allowed to happen there, I think is different from anywhere else.

01:56:38.000 Yeah, but free speech is free speech, not speech that's going to keep you safe.

01:56:42.000 And I think there's a distinction to make here.

01:56:44.000 And I think just being transparent and open, especially when it comes to major decisions, would be a major step forward for any big tech company that would reassure people exactly what's happening behind the scenes and the decisions why they're made.

01:56:56.000 So I think that's what Tim's trying to get at.

01:56:58.000 And I think the transparency part, I think, is very fair.

01:57:02.000 And I think that where we want to be is better than any of the other companies that are running social media platforms.

01:57:08.000 There's a lot of things to say about this.

01:57:10.000 There's deep philosophical and moral questions, notably that over time society's moral standards change, and that may be occurring now.

01:57:19.000 You look back 200 years ago and there are things nobody in this country would agree with or say because morally we changed, and we changed a lot.

01:57:27.000 So now you have unification in, you know, a lot of social media, any of the big players that outright say like, you know, hateful content that causes harm.

01:57:37.000 That seems to be like a universal standard, but it's a standard typically among powerful elites.

01:57:42.000 If it weren't for the internet, there would be no smaller voices retaining the views and values they hold.

01:57:48.000 Over time, the big machine would just churn those away, and the moral standard of society would just completely flip, and there would be no say from the peasants. 0.98

01:57:56.000 The lower class, the plebs, would have no right to speak as to what the moral standards are. 1.00

01:58:01.000 It would only be the elites.

01:58:03.000 Because of social media, people are able to retain views and values that other people don't like, and it's breeding into this fissure, this fracturing.

01:58:12.000 So I guess to kind of get to my point is, personally, I detest and despise racism.

01:58:17.000 I actually am a fan of diversity.

01:58:19.000 I think the woke left has completely bastardized what diversity is supposed to mean.

01:58:23.000 It's supposed to mean that a dude from India has a completely different worldview. 0.60

01:58:28.000 And then you approach a problem from a different angle, you'll actually be better off finding your solutions.

01:58:33.000 Instead, the woke have turned it into, if you're a different color, you're diverse, which it's just not.

01:58:37.000 And honestly, not even that.

01:58:38.000 They said the Black Panther film was diverse because it was all black people, and I'm like, that's not diverse at all.

01:58:43.000 But hold on, let me go and say one thing here.

01:58:47.000 Look, I am proud of the work that we've done with Getter.

01:58:49.000 We've launched what we built this to with four and a half million people.

01:58:52.000 And I will tell you that Getter is by far the best free speech platform that You look at the fact, our platform is so much smoother and so much better than anything out there that strives to provide free speech.

01:59:08.000 And what we've been able to put together, I think is top notch.

01:59:12.000 And the fact that this is something where people are going to make sure that we're going to make sure that people do not have their political voices censored as we go into whether it be the midterms, whether we're going to 2024, that this platform that we're doing, and here's our thing, Tim.

01:59:25.000 It's not just here in the U.S.

01:59:27.000 Getter is what we're going to make sure, how we protect free speech in places like, whether it be France, whether it be places like Brazil, places like India, or anywhere else.

01:59:37.000 This is the rocket ship.

01:59:39.000 This is the one that's going to protect free speech, and it's the best thing that people are going to have, because here's the thing.

01:59:44.000 Here's, again, I know I said this once before, not trying to go in circles, but I got to go and make this point.

01:59:49.000 We are the one company that has The technology is as good or better of anything that big tech is doing that wakes up every day You say how do we make sure we protect free speech and oppose cancel culture?

02:00:02.000 We're the only one that can go do that and go toe-to-toe with big tech I think, you know, a lot of people have mentioned Gab uses the First Amendment as their standard for, you know, moderation.

02:00:14.000 I think, you know, we've talked quite a bit about this.

02:00:16.000 If the speech is legal, the speech should be allowed.

02:00:20.000 And if it's illegal, then it's illegal.

02:00:22.000 And then the moderator should take it down and forward it to law enforcement.

02:00:25.000 There's also some leeway I think we can make, like doxing, for instance.

02:00:29.000 Doxing's another thing that's listed specifically in the Terms of Service, where, and I'll tell you, there's... That's universally despised, you know?

02:00:35.000 Yeah, I mean, look, there's, again, it's something that's serious.

02:00:39.000 Obviously, we took the post down, but there's a certain reporter that always makes very personal comments about me that I really don't like.

02:00:46.000 And someone posted the fact that he lives with his parents and here's the address

02:00:49.000 Obviously the second we saw that that thing came down and that person was suspended. We can't you know, never do that

02:00:56.000 So no the doxxing stuff is there but you know, the one other thing to keep in mind, too

02:01:00.000 Is it also we have we're we're playing globally here. So we also have so for example, we're Jack Dorsey said to me

02:01:06.000 It's a reality I mean, it doesn't just I mean, look, Jack's not wrong at every single thing they said.

02:01:12.000 I mean, for example, if you, you know, a woman wearing a skirt that goes above the knee in the US, no one even glances twice. 0.88

02:01:19.000 You do that in Saudi Arabia, then okay.

02:01:23.000 But let's get to the root of this problem.

02:01:24.000 What's what's stopping you guys from implementing a platform that prioritizes free speech in the United States?

02:01:30.000 And does it the way that Tim was describing?

02:01:33.000 What's standing in the way?

02:01:35.000 Well, a couple things.

02:01:35.000 It's well, number one, what we're trying to grow is we're trying to grow a global company where people can have free speech and can have that right defended regardless of where they are, because it's not just a, uh, everything.

02:01:48.000 Hold on.

02:01:48.000 It's not free speech though.

02:01:50.000 It is free speech.

02:01:51.000 If someone has a negative opinion about a person of another religion or race, they're not allowed to say that.

02:01:57.000 A guy can walk outside, you know, in the middle of a city and hold up the most awful sign because free speech is a guaranteed right, but on your platform that's not the case.

02:02:07.000 Hold on, if you wanted to give me the criticism that what we have is political free speech, but you say that it's not 100%, I'll be the first one to say it's not 100%.

02:02:16.000 No platform out there, because there are people even who say that if you have... Hold on, let me just finish this one thought.

02:02:23.000 There are some people who say that any restriction, even if it's legal or illegal, is not free speech.

02:02:29.000 Some people go out there, I've had people in arguments and debates who've brought that up.

02:02:33.000 But what I'm going to say is, so, but if you were to say that, hey, what I'm, I'm hearing here is that you have political free speech.

02:02:39.000 Um, well, I'd say that's a fair criticism.

02:02:41.000 Uh, but you know what?

02:02:43.000 This is the best place for free speech you have anywhere on the planet.

02:02:47.000 And I will fight tooth and nail to make that point over and over.

02:02:50.000 Derek Bell.

02:02:51.000 Are you familiar with him?

02:02:52.000 I'm not.

02:02:53.000 One of the proponents and original authors in critical race theory.

02:02:59.000 His political opinion is that the United States should have never passed the Civil Rights Act.

02:03:05.000 He advocates for a policy of separate but equals a black man who believes that white people and black people should be segregated.

02:03:12.000 Would you allow him on the platform to ask his followers to come and follow and all that stuff?

02:03:18.000 That's a direct political policy position.

02:03:23.000 I would need to get a little bit of a more granular understanding of what he's saying.

02:03:30.000 I could be mixing this up.

02:03:31.000 His stance was that the ruling from the Supreme Court of separate but equal, according to Derrick Bell, was correct.

02:03:38.000 And this is one of the big views among Black Lives Matter and Critical Race Theory proponents.

02:03:43.000 They feel that there was a separate economy for the black community that was thriving, that was growing, and that the civil rights era effectively merged the two economies, but because white people had historical power We're able to oppress with the greater power, the black community. 0.82

02:04:04.000 So he's advocated for a return or, or I should say, never allowing the desegregation as a policy position.

02:04:11.000 If someone went on your platform and said, I believe we should, here's a good question.

02:04:15.000 California recently had a proposition that would have stricken the civil rights language from their constitution. 0.59

02:04:22.000 Would you allow the Democrats on getter to advocate for the repealing of California civil rights provision?

02:04:28.000 I would need to go take a look at that a little bit more.

02:04:30.000 And that's a tough thing with some of the hypotheticals.

02:04:33.000 Overtly allowing for the discrimination based on race.

02:04:36.000 Well, obviously, if you were out there advocating for the blatant discrimination purely based on race, then that's not something... So Harvard is banned from Getter?

02:04:44.000 I would say if... Harvard overtly has policies discriminating on the basis of race.

02:04:49.000 Like SAT scores for admittance for Asians have to be higher than white people, have to be way higher than white people. 0.80

02:04:55.000 Admittance scores for white people have to be higher than black people. 0.83

02:04:57.000 But hold on, you're... Again, I would need to go and see that just because I haven't seen Harvard's writing or what exactly that... I didn't get into Harvard.

02:05:06.000 Sorry, guys.

02:05:07.000 I would need to go and see that exactly.

02:05:09.000 But, you know, to the point, if you're advocating racial discrimination, Not something saying like a court because one of the things that can't speak to not being a lawyer is this this policy was This court case was ruled incorrectly.

02:05:24.000 I'm not a lawyer.

02:05:24.000 I'm not gonna go to the Supreme Court But if you're someone who's going insane advocating for racial discrimination against against whites or against blacks or against anybody That's not something we would allow So we got to go to the members, uh, you know, podcast and I want to make a quick couple quick, quick points.

02:05:40.000 I wish this conversation was being had with Twitter's people, which is a massive international platform.

02:05:45.000 And so I, I greatly respect your willingness to come on and have us just like throw these hard questions at you that are probably difficult.

02:05:51.000 There's a lot of people who are angry.

02:05:52.000 I feel like we're all spraying you with hoses right now.

02:05:55.000 All at the same time.

02:05:56.000 But look, look, look.

02:05:57.000 You're at least willing to have the conversation.

02:05:58.000 And I've been sprayed plenty of times.

02:06:00.000 And I do think that Getter is less likely to censor than Twitter, case in point Malone.

02:06:06.000 But I think the challenge is it's impossible to navigate this space unless you just say legal speech is allowed.

02:06:14.000 Because, you know, when you say, I'm not going to allow Fuentes because, you know, these positions discriminating, all of a sudden it opens the door to the principle.

02:06:23.000 Critical race theorists, the woke, are overtly racist.

02:06:26.000 You know, based on what you've said...

02:06:28.000 You should never allow any of them on your platform.

02:06:31.000 Not even one of them.

02:06:32.000 Shaun King banned outright.

02:06:34.000 I mean, Tariq Nasheed banned outright.

02:06:36.000 Hassan banned outright.

02:06:38.000 Hassan has actually, he got suspended from Twitch for saying racial slurs.

02:06:42.000 So if he signed up for Getter, you'd ban the biggest left-wing live streamer from your platform?

02:06:47.000 If it's someone coming in who's advocating racial discrimination... The whole left does!

02:06:56.000 Again, there are people who are... There's a difference between a jerk and being an idiot, and somebody who's outright advocating for racial discrimination. 1.00

02:07:06.000 Yeah, they literally do. 1.00

02:07:07.000 The corporate media does that.

02:07:08.000 But here's... Tim, I... Look, I'm not trying to go in circles, so push... Yeah, I know.

02:07:12.000 We're kind of getting... No, but hold on.

02:07:14.000 Here's one thing that I kind of do want to pick this little bit of a fight with you.

02:07:17.000 Even though it's your house, you've invited me, and I appreciate that.

02:07:19.000 Oh, by all means.

02:07:20.000 Let's have a conversation.

02:07:20.000 Here's the thing I want to pick the fight on, is that what I'm trying to offer people is a product where they're going to be safe from the oppression of big tech.

02:07:30.000 It started small.

02:07:32.000 Okay, they kick off President Trump.

02:07:33.000 You get half the country who hated him for it, half the country who liked him for it.

02:07:37.000 Then it's kind of the frog in the water that's getting hotter and hotter.

02:07:40.000 They start chipping away this.

02:07:41.000 They start saying, you can't say where COVID came from.

02:07:45.000 They said that you can't criticize his Lord and Savior, Dr. Anthony Fauci.

02:07:48.000 They said you can't go and post the Hunter Biden story.

02:07:51.000 Then they go and kick off Trump.

02:07:53.000 Then they go and say, you can't even talk about COVID or lockdowns or any of these things.

02:07:58.000 If I, again not trying to be rude while I'm in your house, if I took the opinion that or the belief that you can't go and change this, you can't give people a place where they can fight for their political values, then I'd never get anywhere.

02:08:13.000 We'd be we'd be at zero users not four and a half.

02:08:16.000 I might be at four and a half million people now.

02:08:18.000 I'm going to take this thing to 10 by the middle of the year to 20 or 20 million by the end of the year and you know what?

02:08:24.000 These are people who, when they go into their respective elections, they know no one's going to come in and say, your ideology is fine and different.

02:08:31.000 The points that you're bringing up, many of them, they're important because they're the foundation of our First Amendment.

02:08:38.000 What counts as free speech?

02:08:40.000 What counts?

02:08:41.000 What are you using for your basis, your guideline?

02:08:42.000 How do we know that this isn't going to be turned around on us?

02:08:45.000 But I do think that it can be successful, and I think for what most people want to do, what they view their free speech to talk about.

02:08:52.000 Again, no one's ever come to me and said, if I could just use this one particular slur, then I would count you as being okay.

02:08:57.000 If I could just say this one thing, threatening harm, then your platform would be okay.

02:09:02.000 I do push back on the notion that it can't be successful.

02:09:08.000 I think it very much can.

02:09:10.000 I think Getter is going to be greatly successful.

02:09:12.000 I think it's a net positive.

02:09:14.000 Define success, exactly.

02:09:16.000 Fiscal success or sociological success?

02:09:19.000 What's the goal?

02:09:19.000 We've definitely got to wind things down because we're going long, which is not a bad thing.

02:09:25.000 I can define success.

02:09:27.000 We'll take it to the members only and we'll get more in detail.

02:09:30.000 Is that enough of a teaser?

02:09:32.000 It's going to be an excellent members-only podcast.

02:09:36.000 I want to make sure everyone knows as we wind down that I think Getter is a massive net positive.

02:09:42.000 And we don't have the opportunity to challenge big tech the way we have you sitting here answering these questions.

02:09:47.000 And so instead of, you know, directing anger towards you to a greater degree than we would Jack Dorsey, I think anybody who's upset about Nick Fuentes especially should probably roll their eyes, get frustrated, and be like, here are my complaints, here are my issues with this.

02:10:03.000 We recognize Big Tech is substantially worse.

02:10:05.000 Look, take the win.

02:10:06.000 I know a lot of people are upset about Fuentes particularly, but if we can make sure that Dr. Malone has a voice and we can gain some ground back in free speech, I'll take it.

02:10:18.000 I'm not going to be completely happy with some of the rules I'm concerned about, but I think Getter is better than Twitter in that capacity.

02:10:25.000 And the one thing I'd add on that, it's not some ground, it's making sure that people have that right.

02:10:29.000 Because if you don't think that Twitter and Facebook and big tech, that their goal isn't to, for example, not just all Trump, because it's not just all Trump people, largely Trump people, that they wouldn't be fine completely with having every Trump voter or conservative or populist kicked off of their platform.

02:10:46.000 They're totally, because you know what they say?

02:10:48.000 Hey, let's go to other countries.

02:10:49.000 We'll just go and sign people up.

02:10:50.000 We can get I mean, look, India is Facebook's biggest market.

02:10:53.000 They've already made that calculation that they are fine to lose anyone right of center, not just in the US, when Facebook said they're expanding their global anti misinformation board, which is again, that's one thing I wish I do think the conversation got tilted a little bit too much into some of the Fuentes stuff, whereas when we talk about the editing and censoring, for example, we don't put up warning labels because then that's going into the editorializing.

02:11:17.000 We're never going to get to the point where it's like, well, we think it's okay.

02:11:19.000 We're going to have the post up there, but it's not okay, but we're going to allow the post up because then you're editorializing.

02:11:25.000 Facebook is intentionally ramping up their efforts in the Philippines, in Colombia, in Brazil, in France, and even in Hungary has their elections coming up in the U.S.

02:11:35.000 in the midterms.

02:11:36.000 We're going to make sure, want to define success, that people whether you're on the right or if you're on the left in any country around the world, you're going to have access to free speech and making your political voice heard and nobody is going to shut you down.

02:11:48.000 That's how I define success.

02:11:50.000 We gotta go to the members' podcast.

02:11:52.000 If you have not already, smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends.

02:11:57.000 Go to TimCast.com, sign up, because we're going to have that members-only episode hopefully up around 11.

02:12:01.000 It might go long, because we're having a really good conversation.

02:12:03.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL, basically everywhere.

02:12:06.000 You can follow me at TimCast basically everywhere, Instagram and Getter.

02:12:10.000 Jason, do you want to shout out your social media?

02:12:14.000 Your literal social media.

02:12:15.000 My literal social media.

02:12:16.000 So at Jason Miller in DC, you can get me on Getter.

02:12:20.000 I usually spend a lot of time responding to folks at night, going through the user comments.

02:12:24.000 I think it's important that anyone who's going to go put their name on a platform is very in touch with the different comments and things that are going on.

02:12:30.000 I appreciate the feedback.

02:12:31.000 Look, people threw some tough questions.

02:12:32.000 I think some good ideas, particularly on the pathway to forgiveness, I think was in better articulating some of the points on transparency, I think were important.

02:12:40.000 Uh, I think that's good.

02:12:41.000 And I think you're, you're number one, you're not going to get anyone else who's going to come in.

02:12:44.000 And like I said, whether it goes sit down with the care swisher, uh, Tim pool and, uh, and go through this, um, look, we might not get it right.

02:12:52.000 A hundred percent of the time.

02:12:52.000 That's always the goal.

02:12:53.000 I don't think I'll be able to get someone like Jack Dorsey or the CEO of Twitter to come on here because I'm not going to, you know, you could always just meet them in person like I used to do, but that's a whole nother story.

02:13:03.000 Anyway, I got a gajillion questions, but thank you for answering the ones that you did.

02:13:07.000 We'll continue at the members only.

02:13:09.000 So yeah we'll continue that.

02:13:10.000 I have my own independent media organization.

02:13:12.000 Lots of crazy news coming out of the Czech Republic and England.

02:13:15.000 I talked about that on youtube.com forward slash we are change and then of course I talked about my strategy moving forward specifically on lukeuncensored.com.

02:13:23.000 Hope to see some of you guys there.

02:13:24.000 This was a great conversation.

02:13:25.000 We need more of these.

02:13:26.000 And there's always solutions to these problems that we're bringing up.

02:13:29.000 Maybe we could come to a consensus and bring more transparency, accountability, and even a process where a lot of this could be solved.

02:13:36.000 So I'm hopeful.

02:13:38.000 I'm optimistic.

02:13:39.000 The conversation has started.

02:13:40.000 We're going to take it to some good places, I think.

02:13:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:43.000 I got a lot of respect for you, man, and what you guys are doing.

02:13:45.000 That's a big, big ask.

02:13:46.000 Thank you.

02:13:47.000 And I want to help.

02:13:48.000 So this is the reason I bring up free software, because I would love to integrate a bunch of networks like Rumble and Mines and Getter and Gap into like a mega union.

02:13:57.000 Can I give one extra tease for the members only part?

02:13:59.000 One thing I want to go to, because we didn't get much in the functionality, we kept it a little more on the philosophical and theoretical side.

02:14:07.000 One of the things that's going to set us apart from other platforms, in addition to the longer posts, longer videos, the live streaming we have right now, a million people watched President Trump's rally last Saturday on Getter, which is nuts.

02:14:18.000 Four and a half million people on the platform, a million were watching that.

02:14:21.000 We'll be launching in February what we call Vision, which will be our short video competitor to TikTok and Instagram Reels.

02:14:27.000 So right now, people look and say, oh, Getter, their competitor to Twitter.

02:14:30.000 Month and a half, two months from now.

02:14:32.000 Smaller competitor, initially.

02:14:34.000 I'll grant you that.

02:14:35.000 But we will look at ourselves as a competitor to TikTok and Instagram Reels.

02:14:38.000 When we go into the summer, this is what we're going to go into in the members session.

02:14:42.000 We're going to launch Getter Pay, which will be a payment platform similar to Apple Pay, Alipay, those.

02:14:48.000 But hold on, here's the thing.

02:14:49.000 This is why you got to come to the members section.

02:14:51.000 It's going to be a two-coin crypto ecosystem with a stablecoin and a fluctuating coin.

02:15:00.000 That's coming this summer.

02:15:01.000 We're giving people the freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of their financial destiny.

02:15:06.000 No one else has done this.

02:15:07.000 Anyone knows what Libra, what Facebook was trying to do for years. 0.99

02:15:09.000 The reason why I couldn't do it is because Zuckerberg, just for lack of a better term, sucks. 0.98

02:15:13.000 I can say that on YouTube. 0.97

02:15:14.000 I don't think they'll block that out.

02:15:16.000 But for the fact that nobody believed in it.

02:15:17.000 They didn't believe that they had a vision or place where they wanted to go.

02:15:21.000 Are making sure that people have political free speech.

02:15:23.000 I think that's credibility.

02:15:24.000 And you look to this summer when we launch this, we're going to expose people and bring the digital economy to them in a crypto way that no social media platform has ever done.

02:15:33.000 Come to the member section.

02:15:34.000 We're going to granular on it.

02:15:35.000 Oh, thanks.

02:15:36.000 IanCrossland.net.

02:15:37.000 Check it out.

02:15:38.000 Catch it.

02:15:39.000 See you later.

02:15:40.000 Thank you so much for coming on, Jason.

02:15:41.000 I did tell you you were going to get grilled, and I was not lying.

02:15:44.000 But I do want to say that I'm really glad that we have some of these other options, and I hope that people will continue to give positive feedback and kind of help develop and make this into something great, and hopefully we can really offer some good competition for Twitter and Facebook.

02:15:58.000 Thank you so much for coming again.

02:15:59.000 You guys may follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids.

02:16:02.000 We will see you all over at TimCast.com at about 11 p.m.

02:16:06.000 with the Members Only segment where we get into a lot more questions.

02:16:09.000 Some people are wondering, what about furries?

02:16:12.000 You'll find out at TimCast.com.

02:16:13.000 Thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 20, 2022

Timcast IRL - Calls For Biden REMOVAL Over Mental Failing After INSANE Presser w-Jason Miller

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