Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - NYC Arrests CHILD Over Vax Passport, UK ENDS Passports w-Gab CEO Andrew Torba

00:00:03.000 New York City.

00:00:04.000 There's a video.

00:00:06.000 People being arrested for trying to enter a museum without proof of vaccination.

00:00:11.000 And one of the people being arrested appears to be a child.

00:00:13.000 I don't know the full details on this.

00:00:15.000 There's probably some nuance.

00:00:16.000 Sometimes they're not really getting arrested, they're detained.

00:00:18.000 But my understanding is that they're trying to claim trespassing, as we've seen with many of these other instances.

00:00:23.000 Meanwhile, over in the UK, they have completely done away with all of their COVID restrictions.

00:00:29.000 At least it's my understanding the BBC says masks are out, people can now start coming back to work, and their vaccine passports, gone. 0.85

00:00:36.000 It's interesting that the US is not following suit.

00:00:39.000 After the Supreme Court ruling saying Biden didn't have the authority to mandate any of this vaccine stuff, Carhartt says We're gonna do it anyway!

00:00:46.000 Or at least that's what's being reported.

00:00:47.000 And Starbucks says, nah, we're not gonna do that.

00:00:50.000 I jokingly referred to that as my pressure campaign against Starbucks working because I said I was gonna hire the people from the local Starbucks to basically protest the mandates and then all of a sudden it happened.

00:00:59.000 Nah, I'm kidding.

00:01:00.000 But we got a lot to talk about too.

00:01:02.000 We got Joe Biden, who's under fire for saying that the upcoming election will be illegitimate because the Democrats weren't able to force through their voter overhaul bill.

00:01:09.000 Didn't work.

00:01:10.000 And we're going to be talking about censorship, big tech, and following up on a conversation about Getter with none other than the CEO of Gab and founder, Andrew Torba.

00:01:19.000 How's it going, man?

00:01:20.000 Great to be here.

00:01:21.000 You want to pull your mic up a little bit closer?

00:01:22.000 Sure thing.

00:01:23.000 And just introduce yourself, man.

00:01:24.000 So I'm the CEO of Gab.com, the home of free speech on the internet.

00:01:28.000 I'm a father, I'm a husband, and I'm here to save free speech on the internet.

00:01:33.000 It's that simple.

00:01:34.000 So we talked with a couple of different CEOs recently.

00:01:37.000 We had Rumble, the video platform.

00:01:40.000 A lot of their terms of service are very similar to the big tech platforms.

00:01:43.000 Then we had the CEO of Getter.

00:01:44.000 They have very similar rules.

00:01:47.000 But I guess Gab is the one place where your only rule is, what, the First Amendment?

00:01:51.000 Yeah, I actually brought a copy of our Terms of Service right here.

00:01:59.000 Congress shall make no law representing an establishment of a religion or prohibiting the free exercise of or abridgment of the freedom of speech.

00:02:06.000 So it's really that simple.

00:02:07.000 If it's allowed by the First Amendment, it is allowed on GAAP.

00:02:10.000 All right.

00:02:10.000 Well, there's a lot we got to break down in that one.

00:02:13.000 And there's a lot of history about what has happened to Gab with institutions and censorship and all the stuff that you guys have been targeted with.

00:02:19.000 So thanks for coming, man.

00:02:19.000 So we'll get into all that.

00:02:20.000 Sure.

00:02:21.000 Plus we got Luke here.

00:02:21.000 Plus the news in general.

00:02:23.000 I was hoping you would take out a piece of paper that would say, I could do whatever I want.

00:02:27.000 I would have appreciated that one.

00:02:29.000 Before we begin, I definitely want to shout out everyone in the house who participated in our first jiu-jitsu class.

00:02:36.000 It went very, very well.

00:02:37.000 It's our kind of unofficial fight club.

00:02:39.000 Who needs security when we all know jiu-jitsu?

00:02:42.000 I'm kidding.

00:02:42.000 I'm being facetious here.

00:02:44.000 And I also wanted to remind people that it was never about the new normal.

00:02:47.000 It was always about the new world order.

00:02:49.000 And if you agree and want to wear this uniform out there to the general public and send this message to them, you can.

00:02:56.000 By getting this shirt on thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you do, I'm here.

00:03:01.000 Thank you so much.

00:03:01.000 This should be a great conversation and I'm really looking forward to it.

00:03:04.000 Oh my gosh.

00:03:05.000 Hey guys, check out the Cast Castle vlog.

00:03:07.000 I wanted to shout that out from yesterday.

00:03:08.000 It was very funny.

00:03:09.000 Seamus and Chris are a magical team.

00:03:11.000 They're really hilarious guys.

00:03:12.000 And I got to work with them on a fun movie skit yesterday.

00:03:16.000 So check it out.

00:03:17.000 And I'm Ian Crossland.

00:03:17.000 Andrew, great to see you, man.

00:03:18.000 Finally to meet you in person.

00:03:19.000 Great to be here.

00:03:20.000 Been a long time.

00:03:21.000 We've been working together in parallel systems, so this is really cool.

00:03:24.000 And follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to.

00:03:26.000 I'm really excited to have Andrew the night after we had the gentleman from Getter, so I'm stoked to hear what cool free speech we're going to talk about tonight.

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00:04:09.000 Let's get into that first story.

00:04:10.000 We got this tweet here from Libs of TikTok.

00:04:13.000 NYPD arrest multiple people, including a young child, for trying to enter a museum without proof of vaccination.

00:04:20.000 This, I think, shows you the extreme degrees some of these U.S.

00:04:24.000 cities are willing to go.

00:04:25.000 At the same time, check this out, face mask rules and COVID passes to end in England.

00:04:31.000 They're also saying that people can start working from home.

00:04:34.000 So here's my question.

00:04:35.000 What is this contrast?

00:04:36.000 How are we?

00:04:38.000 We're America.

00:04:39.000 All right.

00:04:40.000 We declared independence from them because we want freedom.

00:04:45.000 And now over there in the UK, they're like, yeah, we're going to get rid of all this stuff.

00:04:47.000 No COVID passes freedom.

00:04:49.000 And then here in the United States, we're split apart by people who want mandates and want to push it to the extreme and people who don't.

00:04:54.000 This is also the kind of dichotomy that's happening right now between that hipster clothing company.

00:04:59.000 cases are going down dramatically. The UK is obviously getting rid of all of their mandates,

00:05:04.000 their lockdowns and restrictions. This is also the kind of dichotomy that's happening right now

00:05:09.000 between that hipster clothing company. What is it called?

00:05:14.000 Carhartt and Starbucks.

00:05:17.000 Yuppie hipsters wear that all the time, just for the record.

00:05:20.000 And that was appropriated from us rural folks, by the way.

00:05:23.000 Exactly.

00:05:23.000 But, you know, the video that we saw today just shows you the absurdity.

00:05:28.000 I mean, we don't even see this kind of larger push for the vaccine like we did before because a lot of people are realizing a lot of bigger truths here.

00:05:36.000 And it wasn't just the United Kingdom was also the Czech ... Republic that announced that Vax mandates are totally gone in ... their country because the president called them nonsense ... from the start those are his own words so we're seeing a big ... unraveling which we've been talking about for weeks on this ... program I've been saying hey a lot of things are going to ... change very dramatically in 2022 and this is it and it's ... happening in front of our eyes.

00:05:59.000 And this to me is the last drop that this kind of establishment has to squeeze everything they can out of this tragedy that unfolded on the world.

00:06:08.000 Yeah, I think what we're seeing is a representation of the two different realities that we both live in right now.

00:06:15.000 We have two different sides of reality for, you know, large swaths of the population, including countries.

00:06:22.000 And of course, we're seeing it here in the United States with states, right?

00:06:24.000 So we see people by hundreds of thousands that are fleeing these blue states, places like New York, Going to Florida, going to Texas, going to places where they have freedom and they aren't being told that they can't enter a store, they're going to have a child arrested.

00:06:36.000 This is absurd, right?

00:06:38.000 So this type of stuff is actually going to drive more and more people to the places where they will get freedom and it's going to accelerate the balkanization that I think we're seeing in the United States right now.

00:06:45.000 And there are people who don't mind living in these places.

00:06:48.000 They don't think twice.

00:06:49.000 They walk up to their 7-Eleven parking lot, and the nice man comes and gives them their shot, and gives them their card, and they're happy with it.

00:06:56.000 And there are celebrities who advocate for that.

00:06:58.000 My position is, and always has been, you need sound advice from a trusted medical professional.

00:07:02.000 Hey, that's what YouTube says you're supposed to say.

00:07:04.000 Yet for some reason, there are high-profile celebrities who advocate for you to not do that, but to just go into a 7-Eleven parking lot, which is the craziest thing to me.

00:07:12.000 But hey, hey, hey, look.

00:07:13.000 You know what?

00:07:14.000 My position is, live and not live.

00:07:15.000 If you live in New York or California or Cook County or the Chicagoland area and you want to just, you know, do whatever you want, man.

00:07:22.000 Don't look at me.

00:07:23.000 I mean, I'll tell you what I think.

00:07:25.000 But people are going to be staying and other people are going to be going.

00:07:28.000 And that hyperpolarization we've seen in this country, you mentioned balkanization, this is accelerating it.

00:07:33.000 Yeah, I think it's inevitable, right?

00:07:35.000 I think, you know, when you have a country where people live in these two different spheres, these two different realities, what do we share in common anymore?

00:07:42.000 What makes us united?

00:07:44.000 I mean, just, you know, a piece of paper, right?

00:07:46.000 Is this what makes us united?

00:07:47.000 Because there's people that don't even believe in this anymore.

00:07:49.000 And you're holding the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

00:07:52.000 And I'll point this out.

00:07:55.000 People on the right all the time are like, you know, Tim Pool's a liberal or he's a centrist or center-left, and I'm like, I don't think those words matter anymore.

00:08:01.000 Right.

00:08:02.000 Because what this is really about is, do you believe in reality or not?

00:08:06.000 Right.

00:08:06.000 You can have a bunch of views on religion that I don't have, but we both look at the news, we both break things down and say, hey, this thing is true and this thing isn't.

00:08:13.000 Censorship, it's happening.

00:08:13.000 Right?

00:08:15.000 We both are more likely to believe in aspects of freedom that the left will completely ignore or disregard, even if we have some disagreements.

00:08:22.000 The left believes... I quote-unquote the left, you know, the establishment left.

00:08:26.000 They believe outright falsehoods, and they like almost... it's almost like they want to.

00:08:31.000 I kind of... Russiagate for years.

00:08:32.000 Jussie Smollett.

00:08:33.000 Covington.

00:08:34.000 All of these things that should stop and give you pause and be like, maybe that's not correct.

00:08:38.000 So we have a ton of people on this show.

00:08:40.000 Just so happens that it is more so the colloquial right.

00:08:44.000 And it's not that we're politically right-wing on this show, certainly we all have varying opinions, but it's because we all agree on what's true.

00:08:51.000 So I don't know what left and right even means at this point, but if there are two groups of people that completely view the world in two different ways, they're not going to work together.

00:08:59.000 I feel like it's more nuanced than, do you believe in reality or not?

00:09:03.000 More that it's more the question is, how do you perceive reality?

00:09:07.000 And it's different for every individual, although it seems like it's 50-50-ish.

00:09:11.000 Like most people kind of see reality in a certain way, similarly in another group.

00:09:15.000 I don't even think it's that simple that it's two groups.

00:09:17.000 I think it's so many different groups of people.

00:09:19.000 I see what you're saying, but what I mean specifically is, Russiagate was fake.

00:09:24.000 Donald Trump did not collude with Russia.

00:09:25.000 That was a false narrative from the press.

00:09:27.000 Seems to be fake, yeah.

00:09:28.000 Seems to be, no, it's definitively fake.

00:09:30.000 From the evidence we've seen, well, I've seen it seems to be.

00:09:33.000 I'm not going to lay my hat on any of this.

00:09:36.000 That's actually smart of you, because you haven't done the research I've done.

00:09:40.000 I can definitively say I've seen enough that beyond a reasonable doubt, it is true, Trump did not do this.

00:09:45.000 For you, you trust me, you've seen some stuff.

00:09:48.000 Good point.

00:09:49.000 So that's actually a fair assessment.

00:09:50.000 But if you're someone who says, after five years of all the lies, how much did they spend on the Mueller investigation?

00:09:56.000 It pulls up nothing.

00:09:58.000 Then they lie about the Ukraine phone call.

00:09:59.000 They lie about everything Trump does.

00:10:01.000 At a certain point, if you still believe that, and you still believe them, it has to be willful.

00:10:05.000 I think ultimately what we're seeing here is what is actual reality, right?

00:10:05.000 Right.

00:10:09.000 Where reality exists, and then what is the reality that the establishment regime wants us to believe exists?

00:10:16.000 Right?

00:10:17.000 And in the reality that exists is the truth.

00:10:20.000 And in that reality, if you separate the Democrat versus Republican stuff, and you just talk about, you know, basic facts of life, most people, whether you're Democrat or Republican, you want to provide for your family, you want to protect your family, you want to live in a safe society where you can go to the store without having your child arrested.

00:10:37.000 I think Democrat or Republican, I think we can agree on that type of stuff.

00:10:37.000 Right?

00:10:40.000 And this divide that they, this illusion that they have, they're the uniparty.

00:10:45.000 They share the values.

00:10:47.000 They have a unified objective.

00:10:48.000 The regime is against us.

00:10:50.000 It's us versus the regime.

00:10:51.000 It's not Democrat versus Republican.

00:10:53.000 Because ultimately, when you break down what, you know, Democrats and Republicans as human beings, it's human beings versus these technocratic tyrants, right?

00:11:00.000 That is the ultimate, you know, dichotomy here of what's going on.

00:11:05.000 Absolutely Either you believe in freedom or the subjugation of the free human spirit and there are still some people holding out But I would say by and large I think a lot of people are realizing that they were scammed that they were lied to that they were not being told the truth These this video that we just saw happened in New York City the state we should we should play it to be honest Discrimination based on people's own personal medical advice is absolutely deplorable.

00:11:31.000 audio but but this is video of of activists doing the ...

00:11:35.000 sit-ins that we literally saw decades ago when of course ...

00:11:38.000 segregation was legal here in the United States ...

00:11:41.000 discrimination based on people's own personal ... 0.51

00:11:45.000 medical advice is absolutely deplorable it's a disgusting ...

00:11:49.000 policy that the NYPD is willingly carrying out on ...

00:11:52.000 behets of the state and there's also reports that the ...

00:11:55.000 mother of this child also had CPS called on her so it ...

00:11:58.000 does seem like the state is trying to punish all these ...

00:12:02.000 individuals all these activists standing up for their ...

00:12:05.000 personal Liberty for their individual right to be able ...

00:12:09.000 to participate in society without needing to get ...

00:12:12.000 government permission a domestic passport system is ...

00:12:15.000 absolutely insane and these people are trying to ...

00:12:18.000 I think the the big domino which is the United Kingdom has fallen more dominoes will fall from here and when you look at the numbers especially when it comes to cases the UK when it comes to cases it looks like it's about one week ahead of the United States so and and right now in the UK the cases are dramatically going down and a lot of people expect the cases to go down in the United States because And when that happens, this whole game is going to be unraveled to the American public.

00:12:43.000 How mad do you think people are going to be when they were like, they said wear masks, they said get vaxxed, they said get two shots, get three shots, they still locked us down, and then after we did everything they asked, they just release all the lockdowns and everyone who disobeyed gets to freely participate?

00:13:02.000 Think about the awakening.

00:13:03.000 Think about the awakening of that though.

00:13:05.000 If you're someone who got, you know, the fourth booster and wore the mask every day and stayed home at lockdown and all that stuff, and all of a sudden this all ends, what does that do to your psyche, right?

00:13:15.000 I don't know, man.

00:13:16.000 You'd think at this point people would be like, maybe I shouldn't trust the establishment narrative, but they just keep doing it.

00:13:21.000 Well, I think this is the red pill moment.

00:13:22.000 This is it.

00:13:23.000 It's like an evolutionary necessity that people are exposed to the reality.

00:13:27.000 And it happened to me in 2005 because I was on the Internet making videos and people were like, hey, did you know about the Federal Reserve?

00:13:33.000 Did you know about the military industrial complex?

00:13:35.000 And these were like new words to me.

00:13:36.000 I was like, no, but tell me.

00:13:38.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:13:39.000 Hey, everyone. 0.99

00:13:39.000 They're like, Ian, you're crazy. 0.99

00:13:40.000 But now it's it's you cannot deny when people are injecting you or forcing you to coercing you to inject yourself. 0.92

00:13:48.000 And then you find out that Fill in the blank.

00:13:52.000 You might go nuts.

00:13:52.000 Well, you find out that it, you know, in the UK, the Vax Passport's done.

00:13:57.000 Yeah.

00:13:58.000 So there were people who were told, if you want to participate and go to bars and restaurants,

00:14:01.000 you have to do this. And they said, okay. And now, a few months later, they go, actually,

00:14:06.000 nah, scrap it.

00:14:07.000 Actually, it's a less lethal variant.

00:14:09.000 It's not about that.

00:14:11.000 For me, it's not about the science.

00:14:13.000 It's not about the medical stuff.

00:14:14.000 That's your personal business.

00:14:16.000 It's the people who were told, if you want to go out to eat, you have to do what we tell you to do.

00:14:21.000 And they did.

00:14:22.000 I don't care if it's wear a fuzzy hat or get a vaccine.

00:14:25.000 The point is, the people who obeyed the government ultimately end up realizing they shouldn't have.

00:14:30.000 That they should have done what was right for them.

00:14:32.000 And if that means going to a doctor, and you know, we've had a lot of people on the show who have been vaccinated.

00:14:36.000 They're older, and their doctors advised it.

00:14:39.000 There's a lot of people who probably don't care about this, and that's the other important thing.

00:14:42.000 You're going to see a lot of people on the left being like, oh, they're so worked up.

00:14:45.000 No, no, I recognize that a good portion of people probably went to their doctor, got a vaccine, said have a nice day, and never thought twice.

00:14:50.000 But there are a lot of people who are just doing whatever they're told by the state.

00:14:55.000 When they realize... I'll give you an example.

00:14:59.000 There's that guy in a store stalking a woman, screaming, is anyone else mad that we all have to wear masks and she isn't wearing one?

00:15:06.000 That's exactly who I'm talking about.

00:15:08.000 Those people are going to lose it when they're like, no!

00:15:11.000 but I did what I was told. Yeah, they need, um, they're gonna need like a safe place to,

00:15:16.000 to regain sanity. So there'll be, it's an opportunity to make fun of people and be like,

00:15:20.000 you stupid idiot. Look how you fell for that. You more and just make people so angry and hateful. 1.00

00:15:26.000 But ultimately I think if we can be forgiving and kind.

00:15:30.000 I was just going to say, it's an opportunity for empathy, because if we show them empathy, then they will be more open to our ideas and saying, listen, listen next time.

00:15:39.000 You know, you call this conspiracy theorists.

00:15:41.000 You called us, you know, extremists and all this stuff and anti-science and all this stuff.

00:15:45.000 And now you've woken up to this.

00:15:47.000 Well, maybe next time they'll listen to us.

00:15:48.000 If we show them a little bit of empathy this time, I think that that has a powerful effect.

00:15:51.000 I think a lot of people are going to go crazy.

00:15:53.000 I think those feelings are going to be exacerbated as specifically when it comes to individuals who are Still locked down.

00:16:00.000 I used that word specifically because I know exactly what I'm doing here.

00:16:05.000 I posted a meme on my Instagram page showing a confused, blonde-haired, bare-chested Australian on barbed wire looking confused and it says, Australians watching the UK remove all mask mandates. 0.68

00:16:17.000 And there's going to be a feeling in Australia, in the Netherlands, being like, why are we still doing this when the rest of the world didn't do this?

00:16:25.000 And I truly do believe what Florida did during this entire saga was absolutely crucial when it came to defeating the mandates and lockdowns here in the United States.

00:16:35.000 If it wasn't for Florida, if it wasn't for Governor DeSantis, Texas followed him.

00:16:39.000 Other states followed his lead, specifically saying, we're not even going to implement this here in the first place.

00:16:45.000 And because of that, This is why I think it wasn't, you know, set into play all throughout the United States because of him standing up and saying no.

00:16:53.000 Other states are saying no right now.

00:16:55.000 Other countries are saying no right now.

00:16:57.000 And other countries are going to be looking on like, hey, they get to have some freedom.

00:17:00.000 We want some of that, too.

00:17:01.000 Let's see what happens with Carhartt.

00:17:04.000 BBC reports Carhartt facing calls for boycott over vaccine mandates.

00:17:08.000 The outcry comes amid a fierce debate over the U.S.

00:17:11.000 COVID-19 jabs.

00:17:12.000 This month, SCOTUS said the government could not force large employers to make COVID-19 vaccination or weekly testing mandatory.

00:17:19.000 Companies, including the coffee chain Starbucks, have since reversed their plans.

00:17:24.000 But in a recent memo to staff, Carhartt leaders said the Supreme Court decision had not changed the company requirements.

00:17:29.000 Now, this is resulting in many people calling for a boycott.

00:17:32.000 I'll tell you first, the funniest thing.

00:17:33.000 I love it.

00:17:34.000 I responded to this by saying, how about this?

00:17:37.000 If you work for Carhartt and you don't want to get vaccinated, quit.

00:17:40.000 My view on this is like, I'm not a communist.

00:17:43.000 I'm not going to demand a private business be forced to employ me.

00:17:48.000 Or, you know, if I don't want to work there, I won't.

00:17:50.000 But for some reason, the left ragged on me for it.

00:17:53.000 And the best part was, on Reddit, they were like, but he's right, though.

00:17:57.000 Like, he's telling them to quit.

00:17:58.000 What's wrong with that?

00:18:00.000 Yeah, I don't think there's any actual principle, for the most part, behind what Carhartt is doing, and behind what people, the establishment left and pro-mandate people believe.

00:18:10.000 It's all tribal. 0.98

00:18:12.000 If they can make fun of someone, quote-unquote, on the right, they'll do it, even if they should be agreeing with it.

00:18:17.000 Now, as for Carhartt the company, What do you think?

00:18:19.000 You think they're gonna lose money on this deal?

00:18:21.000 Listen, I know Carhartt because 90% of my wardrobe is Carhartt, right?

00:18:25.000 You're not wearing Carhartt now, though.

00:18:26.000 Oh, no, absolutely not.

00:18:27.000 No.

00:18:28.000 We're in Milwaukee tonight, right?

00:18:29.000 Otherwise, it would have been, right?

00:18:30.000 You could ask my wife.

00:18:31.000 She'll confirm this.

00:18:31.000 About 90% of my wardrobe is Carhartt.

00:18:33.000 You know, it's rural, rugged, blue-collar people, working-class people who are, by and large, anti-vaccine mandates.

00:18:40.000 So, it's an example of total tone-deafness from a corporation about their core target demographic.

00:18:46.000 And that is a real problem, and it's a problem for us, too, because we can't just boycott everything, right?

00:18:50.000 What am I going to do?

00:18:51.000 I'm going to take all my Carhartt clothes now and burn them in the fire pit? 0.88

00:18:55.000 Dance around naked? 0.97

00:18:56.000 Right.

00:18:56.000 It's like, you know, I love my Carhartt stuff, and it really breaks my heart that they're doing this, but at the same time, it's almost like, where are the options, right?

00:19:05.000 Where's the non-wool company out there?

00:19:07.000 And it's almost like everywhere you turn, it's every single corporation.

00:19:10.000 You cannot escape it.

00:19:12.000 Strangely, Starbucks, check this out, from People, drops COVID vaccine and testing requirements for employees after a Supreme Court ruling.

00:19:20.000 So I live in West Virginia, not too far away from where we do this production, and I went to a coffee shop with my girlfriend.

00:19:26.000 We wanted to go shop local, and so we went to this local shop with a big sign on the door saying you had to wear a mask.

00:19:32.000 And I look behind me, and it's like 100 feet away.

00:19:34.000 It's across the street.

00:19:34.000 It's longer than that.

00:19:35.000 And I'm like, there's a Starbucks right there.

00:19:37.000 They have no mask mandate.

00:19:38.000 Let's go there instead.

00:19:39.000 I'm gonna go there, right?

00:19:40.000 I'm gonna go there.

00:19:41.000 I would rather give money to the small business, but not if you're in West Virginia, of all places, supposed to have all this freedom, and you, as a private business, want me to do that?

00:19:50.000 I'm not gonna cry about it. 0.97

00:19:51.000 I'm not gonna go, you crazy! 0.70

00:19:53.000 I'm gonna be like, oh. 0.95

00:19:55.000 Well, Starbucks it is, I guess.

00:19:56.000 I'm not going to complain to the store.

00:19:58.000 But I'll tell you this.

00:19:59.000 After this, I'm going to go first thing in the morning.

00:20:01.000 I'm going to buy a bunch of Starbucks for the whole staff.

00:20:04.000 I don't like the company, to be completely honest.

00:20:06.000 That's the PSYOP, dude.

00:20:07.000 They make us all angry and villainous.

00:20:07.000 Don't fall for it.

00:20:10.000 It's a trap.

00:20:11.000 The first person to relax is the Kingdom of Britain.

00:20:14.000 The king, the queen, and the corporations of Starbucks.

00:20:17.000 They want you part of the machine.

00:20:18.000 Didn't Starbucks do like woke training?

00:20:20.000 Did they shut down for a week because they wanted to re-educate all of their employees on specific SJW kind of principles?

00:20:27.000 And in that instance, I would be like, okay, I'm not going to shop there.

00:20:27.000 Yes.

00:20:31.000 But when someone does something right, I want to encourage it.

00:20:34.000 If Starbucks is saying we're dropping this, I want to go there and say, you guys are awesome.

00:20:38.000 I love what you're doing.

00:20:40.000 Let me buy some coffee from you.

00:20:41.000 Do more like this.

00:20:44.000 Exactly.

00:20:50.000 I talk about this all the time.

00:20:52.000 The most power that we have is our wallet.

00:20:55.000 Where we're spending our time and where we're spending our money.

00:20:58.000 That is how you vote.

00:21:00.000 That is the best way to vote and that is what gets the most action from these companies is when they see their profits go up after making a move like this, they're going to pay attention to that.

00:21:09.000 If Starbucks ends up making a bunch of money, retaining employees, and is Starbucks publicly traded?

00:21:16.000 It is, right?

00:21:16.000 I think so.

00:21:17.000 If their stock value goes up, it's not just the company, it's the shareholders, and they're going to be like, tell Starbucks to do more like this.

00:21:23.000 We're making money, it's improving, my portfolio is doing better, and then Starbucks is going to be like, hey, the customers have spoken.

00:21:30.000 That's why you reward companies when they do right, you punish them when they do bad.

00:21:33.000 And if the people that have stock in Starbucks have a lot of stock in Starbucks, and they're like, hey, we like that this company is making us money, now we want all our other investments to start doing what they're doing.

00:21:42.000 Exactly.

00:21:43.000 Well, the principles here matter.

00:21:45.000 Carhartt has about 5,500 employees.

00:21:46.000 Starbucks has over 200,000.

00:21:50.000 But the people working at Carhartt now have to make a very tough decision, especially if they can't get this procedure, especially if they have some complications, or if they just personally have religious values or belief systems that complicates this.

00:22:02.000 They have to choose their livelihood over complying with the whims of a corporation that's not even liable for a product that they're forcing them to take.

00:22:10.000 That's disgusting or well-earned behavior that should never be tolerated, and they are facing a lot of backlash, they are facing a lot of boycott, and good!

00:22:19.000 I think maybe they were trying to double down on their yuppie hipsters because it is blue blue-collar people who do wear Their clothes, but it's also a lot of urban hipsters as well.

00:22:29.000 Maybe they were just trying to appease there They're kind of trying to reshift their brand just to be cool.

00:22:34.000 I don't know.

00:22:35.000 They didn't have to do anything.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, that's the point Starbucks doing this is them Deciding to make a public announcement that they had to.

00:22:45.000 If they didn't want to have the mandate, they could have dropped it and said, okay, we're not gonna, you know, they're dropping it, they're making that statement.

00:22:52.000 Carhartt or Starbucks, it could have said nothing.

00:22:55.000 They could have just been like, we'll just do nothing and change nothing.

00:23:00.000 Starbucks decided to make that shift.

00:23:01.000 Carhartt decided to reinforce and announce to everybody, we're gonna keep doing this.

00:23:05.000 So there it is.

00:23:07.000 Carhartt has made their decision at a time when most of these companies know there's a major divide in the market.

00:23:13.000 Why Carhartt?

00:23:15.000 This is the crazy thing to me.

00:23:16.000 Starbucks is the woke company and they chose freedom and Carhartt is the working class company and they chose oppression. 0.95

00:23:23.000 Totally upside down.

00:23:24.000 Totally upside down.

00:23:25.000 And, you know, I think this is a perfect example of the parallel societies that we're seeing, right?

00:23:30.000 They're seeing two different societies here and two different sides of the narrative and two different shifts in what companies are going to do.

00:23:38.000 They're going to have to start making choices like this every day.

00:23:40.000 And it's going to impact their bottom line.

00:23:42.000 And people need to, again, vote with their dollars.

00:23:45.000 That is the most important thing.

00:23:46.000 Your time, your dollars, that is where you have the power.

00:23:49.000 We actually, I made this joke the other night, but we have a vaccine mandate on this show.

00:23:52.000 Everybody who watches has to be vaccinated.

00:23:54.000 So if you're at home and you're not vaccinated, I'm just kidding.

00:23:58.000 Are you thinking about lifting the mandates?

00:23:59.000 I've officially lifted all the mandates.

00:24:01.000 If you're watching at home and you are not vaccinated and you are not wearing a mask, we're going to allow it.

00:24:06.000 We're right there with Starbucks.

00:24:08.000 I think Starbucks is going to make a lot of new hires this year.

00:24:11.000 Were those of you listening at home not wearing a mask?

00:24:15.000 What?

00:24:16.000 Oh my gosh.

00:24:17.000 We're going to have to spend two or three years, a bunch of money and investigation to get to the bottom of this.

00:24:23.000 I'm just pretending like we're the American government wasting time.

00:24:25.000 Oh, right.

00:24:26.000 Everybody send us $20 million and we'll investigate ourselves and find we did nothing wrong.

00:24:29.000 This January 6th committee, it feels like a lot of money and a lot of attention on something that is not that big of a deal.

00:24:35.000 I maybe ask, like, what an amount of attention and money has been spent on this one day, relatively nonviolent.

00:24:43.000 It's like the Monica Lewinsky, Bill Clinton scandal, in my opinion.

00:24:46.000 I can't say it was relatively not.

00:24:47.000 Someone did die.

00:24:48.000 Some people died.

00:24:50.000 But it wasn't like, no, no, the storming of the storming, the entrance into the Capitol.

00:24:55.000 One woman died because she was killed by a cop.

00:24:56.000 Yeah.

00:24:57.000 And then I think someone fell off a wall and then someone was trampled.

00:25:00.000 Someone had a heart attack.

00:25:01.000 So cops were cool.

00:25:02.000 Let me tell you why they have to keep this narrative alive.

00:25:05.000 They are trying to demonize 80 million people in this country.

00:25:08.000 That is why they are trying to keep this narrative alive.

00:25:10.000 Full stop.

00:25:11.000 You know, we all know, common sense people know, I think both on the left and the right, it really wasn't that big of a deal, okay?

00:25:16.000 Not the deal that they're making it out to be.

00:25:18.000 It was bad.

00:25:19.000 They're going to keep dragging this on and milking this cow for as long as they can for the purpose of demonizing 80 million people in this country.

00:25:26.000 That is what it's about.

00:25:28.000 But you guys want to know something?

00:25:29.000 You know, when we did a poll of our show and people who watches, it was mostly like moderate libertarian leaning individuals.

00:25:36.000 They weren't far right or left or anything, just regular kind of people.

00:25:39.000 And then you have a, it leans a little bit more right in some areas than it would left, but we actually had people who self-identified as socialist and far left to watch the show.

00:25:46.000 Some people hate watch it.

00:25:47.000 Some people actually like watching it.

00:25:49.000 But beyond this show, which is, I guess it's a big show, but Joe Rogan's a really big show.

00:25:56.000 When you have Joe Rogan, Praising James O'Keefe.

00:25:59.000 And that was incredible.

00:26:00.000 That was awesome.

00:26:01.000 And Joe actually defended me.

00:26:02.000 I'm eternally grateful, Joe.

00:26:04.000 I really do appreciate it.

00:26:05.000 He was talking with James Lindsay.

00:26:08.000 Joe's a regular guy who leans left.

00:26:10.000 I mean, he's pro-UBI.

00:26:12.000 The regular people in this country aren't falling for any of this stuff anymore.

00:26:15.000 The establishment can come out and scream January 6th or whatever they want, but regular people are just like, yo, we don't believe you.

00:26:20.000 You've lost.

00:26:22.000 We're not with you anymore.

00:26:23.000 Your narrative is gone.

00:26:24.000 CNN's ratings are 90% down, MSNBC 90% down, people aren't buying it.

00:26:29.000 You know what makes me nervous? Did you see that video of the kids? I don't know what country it

00:26:33.000 was in, but they were asking the kids, do you, I was France I think, do you want that? Quebec, Canada.

00:26:37.000 Oh you want vaccinated? Oh yeah, yeah, these little six-year-olds.

00:26:40.000 And what do you do if someone's not vaccinated?

00:26:42.000 You call the police!

00:26:43.000 You take away everything from them until they comply.

00:26:46.000 That was one of the response by the little girls who was speaking in French Canadian.

00:26:49.000 It seems like there has been a de-escalation away from authority in society but then a re-kind of brainwashing of children is happening now that I haven't seen a lot of but that video was crazy.

00:27:00.000 Their biggest fear is us waking up and stop the bickering between Democrat and Republican left and right and uniting together against the regime.

00:27:08.000 That is their biggest fear.

00:27:10.000 That is why they keep pumping all of these stories on both Fox and CNN constantly with the drama.

00:27:14.000 What did AOC wear on her dress? 0.98

00:27:16.000 What did she tweet today?

00:27:17.000 All of this nonsense to keep us distracted and divided and focused on batting heads with one another instead of uniting and batting head against the dragon, right?

00:27:27.000 What do you think would have happened if in 2015, or like as we're getting into the 2016 cycle, Bernie and Trump teamed up?

00:27:34.000 That would be so awesome.

00:27:36.000 Because the insurgent populist left, which very much does not get along with the insurgent populist right, but both despise the establishment, the regime, the cathedral, it would have been it.

00:27:48.000 That would have been a political revolution in this country, but they effectively made sure that, you know, Bernie he caved.

00:27:55.000 He gave right into the machine and he changed his positions.

00:27:58.000 Bernie said open borders is a bad thing.

00:28:02.000 Four, three, four years later, he's like, it's a good thing.

00:28:04.000 If Bernie stuck to his positions and actually worked with the right and the right was willing to work with him, the establishment would have been wiped out.

00:28:11.000 But they're holding on by a thread with this Biden guy who can't think straight.

00:28:15.000 And it's sad.

00:28:16.000 It is.

00:28:17.000 Let's do this.

00:28:18.000 Let's talk about this.

00:28:19.000 Let's get into this.

00:28:20.000 We have this story from the Wall Street Journal.

00:28:22.000 Biden draws criticism after raising prospect of illegitimate 2022 election.

00:28:26.000 White House says President wasn't casting doubt on midterm results.

00:28:30.000 Let's not waste time.

00:28:31.000 Joe Biden was asked about not getting through two bills which would overhaul the US election system.

00:28:38.000 He then said that he thinks the election in November would be illegitimate, which is an insane thing to say.

00:28:45.000 Because if these bills have not been voted in now, then what's he saying about the 2020 election?

00:28:51.000 Well, Jen Psaki comes out and she goes, let me be clear. 0.99

00:28:54.000 He wasn't saying that the election will be illegitimate.

00:28:56.000 He's saying what Trump did, blah, blah, blah.

00:28:59.000 Because then Kamala Harris comes out and she goes, hold on there, let me finish. 0.96

00:29:03.000 The election will be, and then she basically backed up Wow. 1.00

00:29:06.000 It's like a child screaming when they don't get a candy bar.

00:29:08.000 Harris have pushed the idea that the election will not be free and fair because they did not get through their

00:29:14.000 complete voter overhaul Wow, it's like a child screaming when they don't get a

00:29:18.000 candy bar. How about this? But he's the president How yes, absolutely you want and you want to talk about

00:29:23.000 Trump arguing about voter fraud and stuff, too I'm not gonna play these games

00:29:27.000 You can't come out and ban on YouTube discussion of Donald Trump's opinions and then not so so hold on there a minute 1.00

00:29:35.000 YouTube, I certainly hope you start enforcing this against all of the Biden supporters who are going to be saying this stupid nonsense. 0.97

00:29:41.000 So they say they don't want you to say that certain elections in the past have been rigged or whatever. 0.97

00:29:45.000 That's kind of part of YouTube's events.

00:29:47.000 But what about future elections?

00:29:49.000 I agree.

00:29:49.000 of elections is okay to say. It's demoralizing to say that stuff though for the president to be like

00:29:55.000 this election's not going to be any good upcoming people won't vote if you say that dude so don't

00:29:59.000 say that. I agree and uh I as well as many others have been critical of Trump and many Trump

00:30:04.000 supporters for telling people that there's effectively you know by pushing the fraud

00:30:09.000 narrative it tells people not to bother.

00:30:12.000 And then you see what happens in Georgia when the Democrats end up winning two seats they should not have won.

00:30:17.000 But there were people outside who were saying, there's no point, why bother?

00:30:19.000 And it's like, you need to go vote, man.

00:30:22.000 More importantly, you need to vote in the primaries, you got to vote in all your local elections, and then you got to make sure the establishment uniparty types are removed and this is our opportunity.

00:30:31.000 I have a feeling come, you know, next December, I'm going to be very, very disappointed.

00:30:36.000 But, you know, for the time being, I'm going to be like, guys, primary everyone.

00:30:40.000 Democrat, Republican, primary them all.

00:30:42.000 And if you don't like any of that, vote Mises Caucus. 0.96

00:30:45.000 I think they see what's coming.

00:30:46.000 Right, they see that the midterms are going to be a total washout because people are not happy with Biden's policies.

00:30:51.000 His approval rating is in the tanks.

00:30:53.000 So they know the numbers, they have this internal data.

00:30:55.000 So they're trying to see this narrative now.

00:30:57.000 And they're gonna be talking about this and pushing it for the next year so that when it happens, they can pull their whole Russiagate nonsense again.

00:31:03.000 Well, the election was stolen.

00:31:04.000 Somebody did something.

00:31:05.000 And they might point a gap, by the way, because we have almost 100 candidates in the 2022 race on our site that are organizing, raising money, building communities, etc.

00:31:14.000 And I think we're going to be an underdog for this race, and we make it blamed for the red wave that is coming.

00:31:20.000 I have never said Donald Trump won the 2022 election.

00:31:24.000 I have said in 2020, like in May and October, people are bringing this up, that Trump was right about certain issues pertaining to fraud, but that was before an election took place and there was like CNN reporting on fraud and stuff, but not widespread fraud.

00:31:37.000 I have no problem arguing with people like Steve Bannon, having those debates, and now we're at a point where the Democrats Pulling a complete 180 and doing everything they complained Republicans were doing.

00:31:49.000 And that's why I'm just like, you can't gaslight me.

00:31:52.000 You can have this conversation.

00:31:54.000 I can look into this.

00:31:55.000 I can ask for evidence. 0.96

00:31:56.000 But then when you come out and try and make, and you think I'm stupid enough to believe that after a year or longer of you saying all of these things about Trump, then you start saying them, sorry, it literally can't work. 1.00

00:32:08.000 You must believe these people are dumb as a box of rocks. 1.00

00:32:11.000 Unfortunately, some people are very dumb, but the narrative is not going to work anymore. 1.00

00:32:16.000 This is also going to be a red pill moment for a lot of people. 0.99

00:32:19.000 They're going to be like, wait a minute.

00:32:20.000 Aren't the Democrats the ones claiming Trump was lying about fraud, and then Trump claimed he won, and now they're already starting to push that same exact narrative? 0.99

00:32:29.000 Yes, because they're liars.

00:32:32.000 I think people are going to wake up to this and be like, hey, maybe the media is lying to me.

00:32:35.000 I hope more people do, to be honest.

00:32:37.000 I feel like the brain of the American country got infected by like a parasite when the Federal Reserve performed their coup in 1913. 0.91

00:32:46.000 And now it's like, I'm looking at it like it's my wife who has a parasite in her brain. 0.90

00:32:49.000 And I'm like, I love you. 0.97

00:32:50.000 You are everything to me.

00:32:52.000 But it's not her anymore.

00:32:53.000 It's something else now.

00:32:54.000 But I still love the corporeal form.

00:32:57.000 What am I supposed to do? 0.67

00:32:57.000 I want to extract the parasite. 0.67

00:32:59.000 I want to reduce the Federal Reserve and create a new economy.

00:33:03.000 The best way to do that is by getting into things like Bitcoin.

00:33:06.000 And that is why they're freaking out.

00:33:08.000 You see them starting to see this narrative right now.

00:33:10.000 Hillary's coming out. 0.73

00:33:11.000 Even Trump has come out against Bitcoin, right?

00:33:12.000 Why is that?

00:33:13.000 Right?

00:33:14.000 So people should start looking into that because the way, you know, I was talking about this before we started the show.

00:33:18.000 Bitcoin is free speech money.

00:33:19.000 Bitcoin is the only reason that Gab still exists right now.

00:33:22.000 Because in 2019, when we got banned from everything, payment processors, PayPal, everything, we were still able to accept Bitcoin.

00:33:29.000 We didn't need permission from any bank.

00:33:30.000 We didn't need permission from any corporation or any government to do that.

00:33:34.000 That is how we take down the Federal Reserve.

00:33:36.000 That woman is a succubus, Ian. 0.99

00:33:38.000 And be careful, watch out, she's gonna take everything from you, including all your money, leave you indebted forever. 1.00

00:33:46.000 She still represents a great idea that should be protected at all costs, but to go on this kind of area when it comes to cryptocurrencies, I think this is why countries like Venezuela and Russia have been talking about developing their own cryptocurrencies.

00:33:59.000 The US Federal Reserve is also hinting that they may just create FedCoin But just like anything, it's a technology, just like the internet.

00:34:06.000 It could be used for good, it could be used for bad, and you guys were helped by it.

00:34:10.000 Julian Assange was helped by it when he was debanked.

00:34:14.000 Major banking institutions, Visa, MasterCard attacked Julian Assange and Wikileaks because the CIA ordered them to do so.

00:34:22.000 They took down all of his accounts and he was only able to raise money with Bitcoin, which made him a multi-millionaire.

00:34:28.000 So, you know, everything has a karmic way of working out in the world and I think whether it's a psyop or not a psyop, cryptocurrency does represent a possibility of freeing people just like the internet did.

00:34:40.000 We just have to hope it doesn't get corrupted.

00:34:42.000 It is like the monetary version of a free speech network.

00:34:45.000 Correct.

00:34:46.000 It is people's ability to bypass the establishment, their controls, their narratives.

00:34:51.000 What I love most about Bitcoin is the stories about really weird and gross people who became millionaires and billionaires.

00:34:58.000 It's just like the dude in 2011 who was like, I need a decentralized and secret currency to use.

00:35:04.000 For what reason, I wonder.

00:35:06.000 Dude, I had a guy sleeping on my couch who's a billionaire right now.

00:35:06.000 And now they're rich.

00:35:10.000 I'm not even joking with a bee and he was a bum he was eating my macaroni and cheese like microwavable and and And then he shuts out to you, I have, I'm still shocked. 1.00

00:35:22.000 People know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:35:24.000 The dude was like, he, I was just like, dude, you know, I let, back in the day, you know, if someone needed to stay somewhere, I was like, yeah, I stay at my place.

00:35:33.000 This dude was overstaying his welcome like a mother. 0.73

00:35:35.000 He was, I was like, dude, you know, maybe you could go stay at someone else's house.

00:35:39.000 Did he pay you back?

00:35:40.000 Sounds like he's got time to pay you back of interest, bro.

00:35:42.000 Remember, he didn't pay me back.

00:35:43.000 Remember when Max Kaiser, I think it was, gave Alex Jones 10,000 Bitcoin?

00:35:46.000 I was there.

00:35:48.000 You know, they say Bitcoin is decentralized, but if you're at the top of it, looking down at the blockchain, you're basically looking at a centralized system of nodes.

00:35:57.000 So it's really centralized.

00:35:59.000 Not necessarily.

00:36:00.000 No, no.

00:36:01.000 At this point, you know, over this many years, right, it has become so decentralized.

00:36:06.000 And that is that is why, you know, China has tried to overtake it with the mining and stuff, and they haven't been successful.

00:36:11.000 Right?

00:36:11.000 Every attempt to take down Bitcoin, every time there's an article that comes out, Bitcoin is dead.

00:36:15.000 Oh, it's tanking now.

00:36:16.000 It's dead this time.

00:36:17.000 There's actually a website that tracks this.

00:36:18.000 It's been like hundreds of times over the past 13 years or whatever it is.

00:36:22.000 The reason that I trust Bitcoin so much is not only because it saved my own business, but also because no central authority controls it.

00:36:29.000 There's not one government.

00:36:30.000 And by the way, there are countries now, entire countries that are adopting Bitcoin.

00:36:34.000 Which is really telling.

00:36:35.000 And when I see the establishment, you know, both the left and the right coming out and attacking it, that's when I know that it is the real deal.

00:36:42.000 You know, it is absolutely decentralized and it is absolutely the only one that is decentralized.

00:36:47.000 I'm a Bitcoin maximalist myself.

00:36:49.000 I believe that Bitcoin is the thing that is going to end these things like the central bankers, the Federal Reserve, all these things.

00:36:54.000 I think it's a matter of time.

00:36:55.000 Yeah, El Salvador implemented it as their kind of national currency, and the World Bank and the IMF started attacking them because of it.

00:37:02.000 Yes, oh yeah!

00:37:03.000 And now they're doing financially, you know, better than they were before.

00:37:06.000 They're allowing people to, of course, have the ability to transact with each other with cryptocurrency in a non-centralized way.

00:37:15.000 What Venezuela and Russia have been developing is literally track, trace, and database surveillance bitcoins.

00:37:21.000 What El Salvador has been doing is completely different and it's going to be a very important case in looking at how this is implemented on a national scale and the larger effects that it's going to have on their markets, which is truly fascinating.

00:37:33.000 I was thinking about going down there and investigating it and possibly even moving down there.

00:37:38.000 No one knows.

00:37:39.000 a tax-free business zone as well, which some people are saying is going to be the next kind of Singapore.

00:37:45.000 Who knows if it will, if it won't, if Bitcoin will crash.

00:37:49.000 No one knows. No one can predict that.

00:37:50.000 But it certainly is providing a lot of opportunities outside of the mainline establishment system, which I think

00:37:56.000 is absolutely great.

00:37:57.000 Just an aside, some people are saying Twitter is down.

00:37:59.000 Hold up my phone.

00:38:00.000 I can't, I can't check Twitter right now.

00:38:01.000 Hey, Gab is not.

00:38:04.000 What do you do?

00:38:05.000 Let me take this opportunity to tell you, Gab.com.

00:38:07.000 Gab is up and running.

00:38:09.000 Well, so, you know, with Biden making all of these statements, them trying to walk it back, Kamala Harris doubling down, hopefully this double standard is a big smack in the face, figuratively, to a lot of people, among many other things, among the COVID lockdowns and the vaccine passports and all of that stuff.

00:38:27.000 I just, I don't know if I should be as hopeful that people pay attention because when, a good example is when Lauren Boebert tweeted that Biden said Trinidad and Shabbat a pressure.

00:38:38.000 She said Biden never, you know, fulfilled his promise on Trinidad and Shabbat a pressure.

00:38:42.000 The left's response was her brain broke.

00:38:45.000 What is she trying to say?

00:38:47.000 Because they don't actually listen to what Joe Biden says.

00:38:50.000 So if Joe Biden comes out and says this, they probably did not hear it.

00:38:54.000 Only we did because we're the ones paying attention.

00:38:56.000 So you have people in this country who don't pay attention to what's going on and then go vote.

00:39:00.000 And then you have people who do pay attention and they're called conspiracy theorists.

00:39:03.000 Well, that's the problem of censorship and echo chambers of people just following the same voices, the same ideas, the same kind of viewpoints just regurgitated to them with different kind of points with them.

00:39:14.000 But essentially, they're just regurgitating the same thing, doubling down and becoming more radicalized.

00:39:20.000 This is why censorship needs to be pushed back at all costs.

00:39:24.000 And I mean, you're here.

00:39:25.000 I have a lot of questions I want to ask you, especially about your algorithm, but we could save that for later.

00:39:29.000 Let's do it right now.

00:39:30.000 I mean, we're talking about... So we were just talking about how Joe Biden can come out and claim that the upcoming election is going to be illegitimate.

00:39:38.000 But YouTube bans and censors those conversations.

00:39:41.000 Twitter censored information on Hunter Biden's laptop, which would have changed the results of the election.

00:39:45.000 Facebook did the same thing.

00:39:47.000 You, Andrew, are the CEO of Gab, and I think, are you the only social media platform that uses the First Amendment as its rule book?

00:39:55.000 The only one.

00:39:55.000 We are the only free speech platform.

00:39:57.000 I think Mines does that too.

00:39:58.000 Do they?

00:39:59.000 Yeah, First Amendment, and it's based on law in Connecticut, the state where it's incorporated.

00:40:02.000 Interesting.

00:40:04.000 Well, good for both of you.

00:40:07.000 Let's break this down.

00:40:09.000 Gab has been attacked.

00:40:11.000 They've tried to shut you down.

00:40:12.000 They've gone after your infrastructure.

00:40:15.000 You have sitting in front of you a pocket Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

00:40:19.000 You say if it's within the First Amendment, people are allowed to say it.

00:40:24.000 Why are these big tech companies trying to take a gab offline?

00:40:29.000 Right, so we are the most no-platformed, censored, de-platformed, whatever you want to call it, startup, technology startup in history.

00:40:36.000 We've been banned from both app stores because Apple and Google came to me and they demanded that we censor things that they didn't like.

00:40:41.000 And I said, no, absolutely not, because you don't make the same demands of Facebook and Twitter.

00:40:45.000 You can find hate speech on Twitter, you can find hate speech on Facebook, and I'm not going to censor it because you're not making them censor it, okay?

00:40:52.000 So I refused to bend the knee and they banned us from the app stores.

00:40:55.000 They actually banned our entire developer account in Apple's case.

00:40:58.000 We've been banned from banks, Tim.

00:41:00.000 We've been banned from every payment processor.

00:41:01.000 We've been banned from hosting services, email services, about 30 plus different services all in all, with all the infrastructure that it requires to run a social media website.

00:41:11.000 So what we've done over the past five and a half years since I started Gab is we've built our own.

00:41:16.000 People say, if you don't like it, it's the free market, go build your own.

00:41:18.000 That's exactly what we did.

00:41:20.000 We are the only platform that has done that.

00:41:22.000 All these other platforms that are coming out now, they're saying, we're the free speech platform.

00:41:26.000 If you look at where their servers are hosted, they're hosted on Amazon.

00:41:29.000 If you look at who they depend on, it's Apple and Google on the app stores.

00:41:32.000 If you look at their terms of service, they have the exact same terms of service as Facebook, as Twitter.

00:41:37.000 So it's basically Silicon Valley, but with a new logo.

00:41:40.000 Okay?

00:41:41.000 And that's not what we're building.

00:41:42.000 What about mines?

00:41:43.000 Are they on Amazon?

00:41:44.000 At the moment, they were on Amazon as of six months ago.

00:41:47.000 And I talked to Bill and he was like, we're moving off Amazon.

00:41:50.000 I haven't followed up with him since that conversation.

00:41:52.000 That's the only way forward, is building your own infrastructure.

00:41:54.000 And we've had to build it all.

00:41:55.000 We have our own physical server hardware racks, okay?

00:41:58.000 And we have to physically maintain those, and upgrade those, and swap out new hard drives, and all that type of stuff.

00:42:03.000 And that is just a massive amount of work.

00:42:06.000 For what reason?

00:42:07.000 So they say, if you don't like Twitter, go make your own.

00:42:09.000 And you did.

00:42:10.000 And then all of a sudden, different companies, seemingly unrelated, started knocking out the support beams from your service.

00:42:16.000 I can understand.

00:42:17.000 So you mentioned, you know, Google says, hey, we want you to censor certain things.

00:42:20.000 Said, no.

00:42:20.000 So they ban you.

00:42:21.000 But what about banks?

00:42:22.000 Why would a bank ban you?

00:42:23.000 Well, they tried attacking us from every different angle.

00:42:26.000 From after three weeks after we launched, actually, five and a half years ago, they started with the smear campaign, right?

00:42:31.000 It's alt-right.

00:42:32.000 It's all this stuff, right? 0.87

00:42:32.000 It's Nazis. 0.87

00:42:33.000 And that didn't work.

00:42:34.000 We kept growing.

00:42:35.000 We kept getting bigger.

00:42:36.000 So then they said, OK, surely if we ban them from the app stores, then they're not going to go anywhere, right?

00:42:40.000 A social network without an app on the app stores, it's dead in the water.

00:42:43.000 And we kept growing.

00:42:44.000 And then we kept growing and growing and growing and they said, OK, we're going to take we're going to go after their bank accounts.

00:42:49.000 We're going to go after payment processors.

00:42:50.000 And when they can't process payments, they're done.

00:42:53.000 There's no way a business can exist on the Internet without being able to accept credit cards or PayPal or all these major payment infrastructures.

00:43:00.000 and thanks to stuff like Bitcoin and checks, physical checks, that people would mail into

00:43:06.000 our P.O. box.

00:43:07.000 So we had old technology and new technology.

00:43:10.000 And that is what kept us afloat for an entire year before we were able to build our own

00:43:14.000 payment system and come up with our own solution.

00:43:17.000 So you're on the forefront in terms of protecting actual free speech, which means you've got

00:43:24.000 probably a lot of detestable conversations and really awful people, I'd imagine.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, it's words on the screen, right?

00:43:30.000 A lot of people that I don't agree with, a lot of people that don't like me, a lot of people that say a lot of nasty things about me and my family, and it's allowed. 0.94

00:43:36.000 And that's actually how you know that it's a free speech platform.

00:43:38.000 There's a parody account of me called Andrew Tuba, and I think it's one of the funniest accounts on Gab.

00:43:45.000 It's actually one of my favorite accounts, and maybe they don't know this, but I find it hilarious because, you know, you see that, and that is allowed on there.

00:43:51.000 You could find stuff like that on there, even about me, the founder, the owner, right?

00:43:56.000 I really don't know if I should bring it up, but people have mentioned that posts critical of the Getter crew have been removed.

00:44:04.000 Absolutely false.

00:44:04.000 Is that true?

00:44:05.000 It's false?

00:44:05.000 Absolutely false.

00:44:06.000 Getter didn't do any of that stuff?

00:44:07.000 No, no, absolutely not.

00:44:08.000 Oh, they're removing it?

00:44:10.000 Or we are?

00:44:10.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:44:11.000 I've heard that on Getter, Oh, yes.

00:44:14.000 People have questioned Getter.

00:44:16.000 I thought you were saying we were doing that.

00:44:19.000 Is that true, though?

00:44:20.000 I saw people chatting it, and I want to be careful because if I can't prove it, I don't want to bring it up.

00:44:25.000 What I've heard is anybody that's critical of Miles, their billionaire, their Chinese billionaire, who's behind it.

00:44:31.000 We had the conversation about Fuentes the other day with the CEO of Getter.

00:44:35.000 And I don't want to drag a specific platform into this, but considering Jason Miller was just here, and it's very obvious to everybody I didn't find his response adequate on what rule was broken by Nick Fuentes.

00:44:47.000 Look, man, my position has always been this.

00:44:50.000 Oliver Darcy of CNN interviewed me in 2018 when they started banning the alt-right from Twitter, and I said, it's a dangerous precedent.

00:44:56.000 We always have been, you know, as liberals in this country, because I grew up in Chicago, up in the city, I've always been left-leaning, we're always about free speech.

00:45:06.000 And then all of a sudden, Twitter's like, we're banning only this group of people, and I'm like, if they're not threatening violence, if they're not targeting people, even to a certain degree, an argument about harassment, I'd be willing to accept.

00:45:17.000 You just don't like their opinions?

00:45:18.000 Well I don't like their opinions either!

00:45:20.000 Argue them! 0.97

00:45:20.000 Like the ACLU when they defended really awful people in Skokie, Illinois in that famous story. 0.97

00:45:24.000 Now they're all not doing it, they're backing away, they're all going full authoritarian.

00:45:28.000 So my position has always been, I recognize nasty people say nasty things.

00:45:34.000 I think we agree on that.

00:45:35.000 But when he says, you know, Jason Miller, oh, well, you know, we didn't want to service his group.

00:45:40.000 The problem he brought up, he opened the door for Getter.

00:45:44.000 The problem was he basically said Black Lives Matter, all banned.

00:45:48.000 Critical race theorists, all banned.

00:45:51.000 Modern progressives, all banned.

00:45:54.000 All of these prominent left-wing personalities.

00:45:56.000 What's that lady's name? 1.00

00:45:57.000 Jamila Jamil or something?

00:45:58.000 Is she that actress woman? 1.00

00:46:00.000 She's banned. 1.00

00:46:02.000 She posts a ton of racist stuff.

00:46:05.000 If Getter wants to have that standard, then the crazy thing about this is the modern right in this country today Is posting Martin Luther King Jr.

00:46:14.000 quotes.

00:46:15.000 They don't want people to be judged on the color of their skin.

00:46:18.000 But if you come out like Miller did and say, we're not going to allow anyone who breaks that rule, it's like, okay, well, that means the modern Republican Party is going to be on the platform and the Democrats won't be.

00:46:29.000 Right.

00:46:29.000 Nicholas J. Fuentes is the canary in the coal mine with censorship.

00:46:31.000 I mean, this kid is 23 years old.

00:46:33.000 He has a live stream from his parents' house, and he can't get on a plane because of his political opinion.

00:46:39.000 He can't access, you know, he's probably just as banned as we are in terms of platforms.

00:46:44.000 Now, of course, you can find him on Gab, unlike Getter.

00:46:46.000 And, you know, Jason's answer is just totally unacceptable.

00:46:49.000 You look at Getter's terms of service, and they ban hate speech.

00:46:51.000 and they make these arbitrary decisions like banning Nick Fuentes and banning people like

00:46:55.000 John Miller even, you know, with no reason and no recourse and no adjudication and then

00:47:01.000 they claim to be a free speech platform. It's a joke. I didn't like it when I asked him what,

00:47:06.000 you know, Luke asked him what rule was broken specifically.

00:47:09.000 Well the terms and service.

00:47:10.000 Because he has a list and a number.

00:47:12.000 I was like, you know, give me the list.

00:47:13.000 Tell me exactly.

00:47:14.000 He didn't have one.

00:47:15.000 He didn't clarify there's a difference between terms of service and community guidelines.

00:47:18.000 Which for me, there's not at mines.

00:47:20.000 For me, I based my community guidelines were the terms of service.

00:47:23.000 But I understand how you could have two different things.

00:47:25.000 At least that was his response.

00:47:26.000 That's what I got from that.

00:47:27.000 What worried me the most was... Community guidelines were violated.

00:47:30.000 I don't know.

00:47:31.000 It sounded like they were just Twitter.

00:47:34.000 but a little bit better. Right. A little bit better. And so there's still the inherent problem

00:47:38.000 that the reason they banned Nick Fuentes is because the media said bad things about him.

00:47:42.000 Right. Look, for all I know, what the media claims about him was true, for all I know.

00:47:47.000 However, I don't really trust the media. So I'm not going to just blindly be like,

00:47:51.000 oh, okay, you banned him because CNN wrote an article. I'm going to be like, uh,

00:47:54.000 you're gonna show me some hard proof because the media doesn't have any credibility right now.

00:47:58.000 He didn't have it.

00:47:59.000 He couldn't give me a specific example.

00:48:01.000 He couldn't give me... There was not even a philosophical reason.

00:48:04.000 It was just, you know, Fuentes said something about who are Gropers here. 0.99

00:48:08.000 And so then I asked him what a Groper was and he didn't seem to know that either. 1.00

00:48:11.000 And so my view is, if you're gonna ban someone...

00:48:14.000 Stand by it, be proud of it, and not be able to explain what went wrong?

00:48:19.000 How am I supposed to trust your platform?

00:48:20.000 You know, if he had come out and said, we banned him because we believed that Apple and Google would remove us from the stores if we had him on the platform, I would have respected that, right?

00:48:29.000 But you know, Jason is a political strategist.

00:48:32.000 That's what he does.

00:48:32.000 He's not a technologist.

00:48:34.000 He doesn't know how to run a social media company.

00:48:35.000 And frankly, he's in over his head.

00:48:36.000 I think it's obvious after last night, right?

00:48:38.000 You know, what these people are doing is they're really trying to subvert the work that I've been doing for five and a half years, and the work that we've been doing at Gab.

00:48:45.000 And it's really, it's us versus the billionaires.

00:48:47.000 So, you know, you have Miles Gao, who is the Chinese billionaire behind Gitter.

00:48:51.000 You have Peter Thiel, who's behind Rumble.

00:48:54.000 And you have Rebecca Mercer in the Mercer family, who's behind Parlor. 0.98

00:48:58.000 What about mines?

00:48:59.000 Yeah, they're Aaron.

00:49:00.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, we got you guys are independent crowdfunding as well started from the beginning with nothing and then John came in Bill's dad is half owner of the company and the three of us.

00:49:08.000 It's a family business just like us.

00:49:10.000 Yep.

00:49:10.000 Exactly.

00:49:11.000 Mines does have a big minds has taken investments in the past.

00:49:13.000 We got a 10 million about two years ago from the dude that I don't know.

00:49:18.000 Is it all public information?

00:49:19.000 I don't know if I can talk about the names and all that.

00:49:20.000 But he basically built the games that Yahoo bought in 2000 to create Yahoo Games.

00:49:25.000 So that guy came in.

00:49:27.000 We had the guy from Overstock.

00:49:30.000 He's a billionaire, isn't he?

00:49:31.000 He came in with $6 million about four years ago.

00:49:34.000 But I think other than that, it's just we crowdfunded a million bucks.

00:49:37.000 Yeah, so that's what that's what we did.

00:49:38.000 We did regulation crowdfunding.

00:49:39.000 So our users, a nice chunk of our users are actually stockholders in Gab.

00:49:43.000 So they have a piece of the pie, and they're our biggest advocates, right?

00:49:46.000 And outside of that, we're funded by, you know, our Gab Pro subscriptions, merchandise, you know, stuff like this hat.

00:49:51.000 And we now have advertisement, but you know, we're not tracking you creepily, like Facebook and stuff.

00:49:55.000 Did you guys ever have any big funders coming your way and try to say, hey, we're going to give you this money if you do this?

00:50:01.000 And are you willing or able to disclose the largest kind of funder?

00:50:04.000 Is there one guy who's like a millionaire that gave you guys a million dollars?

00:50:08.000 Or, you know, you don't have to answer it, but I'm just curious.

00:50:10.000 I think our average investment was $1,000 for our regulation crowdfunding offerings.

00:50:15.000 We did have a few bigger angel investors who, and by the way all these people are users on the site, who put in I think maybe $100,000 or something as a part of that overall round of crowdfunding.

00:50:24.000 But anybody was able to invest I think as low as $200.

00:50:26.000 This was back in 2017-2018.

00:50:29.000 Um, we have had people that have come to me and have tried to tempt me with money.

00:50:33.000 Absolutely.

00:50:34.000 I've had, you know, big hedge fund guys and a lot of names that a lot of people would recognize if I said them, I'm not going to do that.

00:50:41.000 But you know, essentially the deal was you have to start banning certain things and you have to start doing things a little bit differently.

00:50:47.000 And we have to pivot on certain things.

00:50:48.000 And I said, unacceptable, unacceptable, because the thing that, I'm not doing this for money.

00:50:54.000 This is my life's work.

00:50:56.000 I am doing this so that when my children get older, they have the ability to speak freely on the internet.

00:51:03.000 I want to ensure that my kids have the same, and your kids by the way, and your kids have the same freedoms that we all grew up with in this country.

00:51:11.000 That is why I do what I do.

00:51:12.000 Period.

00:51:13.000 Was there ever one person that gave over a million dollars?

00:51:16.000 You don't have to disclose.

00:51:17.000 No, no, there was never one person that gave over a million.

00:51:18.000 No.

00:51:19.000 I want to tell you why you get those people coming to you and making demands.

00:51:23.000 I was thinking about this.

00:51:24.000 I'm probably missing a few pieces of the puzzle, but 30 years ago, before the internet, before cell phones, and 50 years ago and beyond, radio, television, even newspapers, allowed the powerful interests to homogenize morality and culture, society.

00:51:41.000 So 30 years ago, you have a handful of TV channels and a growing influence around, you know, cable was getting more popular since the 80s.

00:51:47.000 But, uh, let's go back to the 70s, right?

00:51:49.000 You have a handful of channels, maybe like, what, five?

00:51:52.000 And so, if these five channels decide a certain idea was unacceptable and they wouldn't put it on TV anymore, they wouldn't platform it, those ideas would start to die off.

00:52:02.000 People would fall in line with whatever the mainstream opinion was because they want to fit in and don't want to be ostracized.

00:52:07.000 With the rise of the internet, now subcultures that the establishment elites might not like are able to persist because they can build their own communities and survive outside of that ecosystem by finding like-minded individuals.

00:52:20.000 This actually happened in the 70s.

00:52:22.000 It's called the rural purge, the rural TV purge, where there were all these shows like Green Acres and wholesome TV shows about rural life and rural living.

00:52:30.000 Those were all purged all at once from all those major networks because they didn't want those ideas anymore.

00:52:35.000 They wanted people migrating to the cities where they can control them and atomize them like we're seeing our society become today.

00:52:40.000 So now, as the internet expands and different platforms emerge, control of social media, control of these websites, allows them to re-homogenize.

00:52:50.000 Are you familiar with the dead internet theory?

00:52:53.000 No, what's this?

00:52:54.000 This is, it's actually a really scary story.

00:52:57.000 But it's actually really simple.

00:52:58.000 The idea is that the internet died a decade ago, and that everything you're encountering now on the internet is bots.

00:53:04.000 Most people don't post anything.

00:53:06.000 Most comments you see are algorithmic, are bots and manipulation.

00:53:06.000 Right.

00:53:11.000 And the internet is actually not a free and open space.

00:53:13.000 It's just a controlled I can talk about this big time.

00:53:16.000 So this is called the 1% rule. 0.90

00:53:19.000 So 1% of any given online community on the internet, whether that's Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, whatever it is, Gab, 1% of people are creating content.

00:53:27.000 9% are engaging, meaning they're liking, they're commenting, they're sharing.

00:53:32.000 90% of people are passively consuming content, right?

00:53:35.000 So that is where most of the social engineering that these platforms are doing is going on.

00:53:40.000 The passive engagement, the passive people that are just scrolling the feed and looking at information, they want to decide what you're seeing in those feeds.

00:53:47.000 And they are socially conditioning and socially engineering people to have the values that they want them to have, to vote the way that they want them to have.

00:53:55.000 You know, I was living and working in Silicon Valley and I saw this stuff firsthand.

00:53:58.000 And I said, this has got to stop.

00:54:00.000 Someone's got to do something about this.

00:54:01.000 There has to be another way to do this.

00:54:03.000 And that's what inspired me to do what I'm doing.

00:54:06.000 Somebody had to do it and I was going to do it.

00:54:07.000 Real quick, the 1% rule is part of this, but that internet theory is basically that we're all under the boot.

00:54:13.000 Right.

00:54:13.000 That there is no 1% anymore.

00:54:16.000 That it used to be 1% were producing everything and 99% were watching, but now it's that when you go on Reddit and read a comment, it was made by a machine.

00:54:23.000 It's a bot, yeah.

00:54:23.000 Yup.

00:54:24.000 That's ARPA built the internet.

00:54:25.000 That's government, military, it's military tech, the internet.

00:54:29.000 So it's not too far out there.

00:54:30.000 And there's a lot of admitted government sock puppet accounts that are meant to, of course, have psychological warfare impact on the internet to push certain agendas out there.

00:54:40.000 I've been speaking about this for so long.

00:54:42.000 But specifically, you know, the algorithms not only create, you know, echo chambers, they can not only create emotions, but they shape belief systems.

00:54:49.000 Correct.

00:54:50.000 And that's why I wanted to ask you about your algorithm.

00:54:53.000 Do you have an algorithm?

00:54:55.000 Like I just signed up on GABA a few hours ago.

00:54:57.000 There's a whole bunch of stuff on there.

00:54:59.000 Who decides what's on there and what I see when I first go on there?

00:55:02.000 You do, right?

00:55:03.000 So we have a chronological feed, right?

00:55:06.000 And you decide who you're following, who you're blocking, who you're meeting, all that stuff.

00:55:09.000 But I just started an account and I'm not following anyone.

00:55:11.000 So we want to inject you with some content.

00:55:11.000 And there's a news feed.

00:55:14.000 So you automatically follow like our main Gab account and like our support account.

00:55:18.000 And I think my account as well.

00:55:20.000 And that's, that's to, you know, because we want the feed to have some stuff in there when you first start.

00:55:24.000 We're working on that.

00:55:25.000 So we're working on the onboarding process where we're going to recommend you join certain groups and things like that.

00:55:31.000 But once, once you're in there, you can unfollow those if you want and follow whoever you want, block whoever you want, but that's how it works.

00:55:35.000 It's a chronological feed.

00:55:36.000 There actually is no algorithm in that feed.

00:55:38.000 Yeah, as soon as I signed up, I was following three people.

00:55:41.000 Gab, your account, and then there's this pharmaceutical salesman.

00:55:46.000 His name's Donald Trump.

00:55:48.000 I'm also following him automatically.

00:55:52.000 You can unfollow them if you want.

00:55:54.000 Can I ask you, why are we automatically following Donald J. Trump?

00:55:57.000 We just wanted content in the feed, and a lot of people are coming there because they know that we have all of his content mirrored there.

00:56:01.000 That's all that is.

00:56:02.000 But you can make the choice if you want to opt out of that, you can.

00:56:04.000 We just didn't want a blank, empty feed, right?

00:56:06.000 Do you mirror Joe Biden?

00:56:08.000 I don't think so, no.

00:56:09.000 We could, yeah.

00:56:10.000 We could, sure.

00:56:12.000 Because it's not mirroring, it's actually me manually posting his statements as he sends them out.

00:56:18.000 Well, there you go.

00:56:19.000 One of the big criticisms that Twitter got was when they were in this congressional hearing, a Republican pointed out that when any person in DC signs up, they're defaulted to Democrats to follow.

00:56:28.000 Right, right.

00:56:29.000 So if Gab is just doing Trump, Sure.

00:56:31.000 No, I understand that.

00:56:32.000 I understand that.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:56:34.000 You know, we want to work on the onboarding process to allow people to shape their entire experience.

00:56:38.000 So we just came up with this new feature called feeds, and it's going to allow you to create your own algorithm, actually.

00:56:44.000 So you can sit down, you could say, I want to see a feed that shows these 50 people and these five groups that are on Gab.

00:56:51.000 That's one of the features that we have is groups.

00:56:53.000 And I want it to be sorted by top content from all those people in all those groups and this hashtag and this RSS feed from the past 24 hours.

00:57:00.000 And that is my, you know, top 20, I don't know, my 24 hour top post political news feed.

00:57:05.000 And people could subscribe to that algorithm.

00:57:07.000 Other people can subscribe.

00:57:08.000 You could share that publicly.

00:57:09.000 That feed can be viewed by people who aren't members of Gab.

00:57:12.000 So that is the big thing that we're going towards now is just total customization, allowing you to create and shape your own experience versus us doing it for you.

00:57:18.000 I feel like if we federated networks, it would be the first time in human history that two giant social networks have federated.

00:57:25.000 You said that you experimented with the Fediverse.

00:57:27.000 You whipped up Mastodon code to create Gab.

00:57:30.000 So explain, you guys used to have proprietary software, then something happened, and then now you're open source code.

00:57:36.000 And then you said you have problems with the Fediverse.

00:57:38.000 Can you talk about that?

00:57:39.000 Yeah, so Gab is open source.

00:57:40.000 You know, unlike Getter, unlike Rumble, and like all these other alternatives, our code is actually open source.

00:57:44.000 So if you're an engineer, you can go and look at the code right now at code.gab.com.

00:57:48.000 So you don't have to believe what I'm saying when I say we're not censoring.

00:57:51.000 You can actually go in and see how our moderation system works and all that stuff, which, you know, Facebook can't say that.

00:57:57.000 None of these other alternatives can say that, I think, with the exception of Mods, which is also open source, which is great.

00:58:01.000 I mean, that's fantastic.

00:58:03.000 And we experimented with the Fediverse and what we found is that it just does not work at scale.

00:58:08.000 We were getting attacked from all these different servers that were really just bots.

00:58:12.000 You know, we're talking about bot activity, right?

00:58:14.000 And whatever we did, we just could not stop.

00:58:16.000 It was bogging down all of our infrastructure.

00:58:17.000 It was like a DDoS attack from the Fediverse coming at us, right?

00:58:20.000 So we disabled the Fediverse stuff and just kept using the backbone of the open source software and have built up from there.

00:58:27.000 When you were proprietary in the beginning, what happened?

00:58:29.000 Why did you decide to change and open?

00:58:31.000 Well, you know, we wanted to work smart and not hard.

00:58:34.000 And the Mastanon open source code base allowed a richer feature set that we didn't have.

00:58:39.000 We didn't have, you know, the team at the time to build out all these different features and all these ideas that we wanted to do.

00:58:44.000 So we said, you know, we're going to take this to the next level and go open source with everything and go into the Fediverse.

00:58:48.000 And we gave the Fediverse a real shot, but it just didn't work at our scale.

00:58:52.000 Like we were too big.

00:58:53.000 Gab itself at the time was bigger than the entire Fediverse combined.

00:58:57.000 It's like, you know, 20 times bigger than the entire Fediverse combined.

00:58:57.000 Now forget it.

00:59:01.000 So I pulled up your Terms of Service, as we've done with the past CEOs.

00:59:04.000 Sure, sure.

00:59:05.000 And I gotta say, some of this stuff is protected by the First Amendment.

00:59:08.000 And you do ban it.

00:59:08.000 Sure.

00:59:10.000 Well, you know, the Founding Fathers didn't have things like doxxing.

00:59:13.000 They didn't have things like spam, internet spam.

00:59:16.000 You know, pornography is protected by the First Amendment, technically.

00:59:20.000 But I would say that the Founding Fathers would be appalled that it is protected, and that SCOTUS ruled that, because the Founding Fathers believed It is.

00:59:28.000 It's my opinion.

00:59:29.000 our rights and our liberties belong to a morally righteous people and I don't

00:59:29.000 Sure.

00:59:33.000 think that they would they would defend that and secondly...

00:59:35.000 But that's an opinion.

00:59:36.000 It is, it's my opinion, sure.

00:59:38.000 So you know I do think it's fair to point out because we do have people asking about porn.

00:59:42.000 Sure.

00:59:43.000 Personally I understand why you're like look you know this is not something we want on our platform

00:59:47.000 because it's very different from an expression platform, conversations, arguments, debates, ideas.

00:59:52.000 But maybe the appropriate way to deal with it would be a filter as opposed to saying

00:59:56.000 even though it is protected I don't think it's right.

00:59:58.000 Well the problem is that people don't use the filter and then bots come on and spam

01:00:01.000 the heck out of every comment section, every top post, every reply with porn.

01:00:05.000 Are people going to use a site like that?

01:00:07.000 Is porn being censored right now on the internet?

01:00:10.000 You can go on Twitter and your replies right now and probably find some porn, right?

01:00:14.000 Even though I think, doesn't the Google Play Store ban it?

01:00:16.000 Technically, I believe so.

01:00:17.000 But Twitter allows it?

01:00:19.000 Right.

01:00:20.000 The other thing, too, is I love people that claim that it's speech, right?

01:00:24.000 The way to test this is go out to your town square, right, and start preaching the Word of God, and you'll be fine.

01:00:31.000 Stomp for a political candidate, you'll be fine. 0.94

01:00:34.000 Try filming porn in the town square, right? 0.99

01:00:36.000 Is that speech? 0.96

01:00:37.000 Is that protected?

01:00:38.000 Are you going to land up in jail?

01:00:39.000 Right.

01:00:39.000 It is porn is actually an interesting one because I don't think it's as easy to say that it is protected

01:00:43.000 It is protected, but there's interesting questions about it because we still I

01:00:47.000 Would I'm pretty sure every single person like well, maybe 99.9% of people in this country if you went around naked

01:00:54.000 They would be upset with you for it, right? So it's so it's interesting not in San Francisco

01:00:58.000 Yeah, and and you know that that's true too. But but but it's interesting. I would say

01:01:03.000 while My view of it is you're expressing your opinion on you know

01:01:08.000 adult content It's it's it's degrees of everything

01:01:12.000 You know, some people claim to be libertarian, but still believe in borders.

01:01:15.000 Some people say you're not a real libertarian because there should be no borders, and they're both arguing they're libertarians.

01:01:20.000 I think it's fair to say that on a scale of 1 to 100, you guys are 99% free speech.

01:01:25.000 There may be an argument about what is First Amendment.

01:01:27.000 Well, we're 100% political speech.

01:01:29.000 Maybe we're 99% free expression.

01:01:32.000 This is the first time I've ever thought of imagery not as a form of speech.

01:01:32.000 Yeah.

01:01:37.000 Putting a picture up is very different than expressing your opinions.

01:01:40.000 Absolutely.

01:01:40.000 Sure.

01:01:43.000 Also, does it pass the Miller test?

01:01:44.000 I mean, the Supreme Court gives us the Miller test for deciding what obscenity is.

01:01:49.000 Does it have artistic value?

01:01:51.000 Does it have scientific value?

01:01:53.000 And I would argue that the porn that we're seeing is not artistic.

01:01:56.000 It's not scientific.

01:01:57.000 These things are in the hands of 10-year-olds right now.

01:02:00.000 Some of it is, but it's like one out of 50.

01:02:02.000 I just also have a question, just really quick.

01:02:05.000 Who decides what's obscene?

01:02:07.000 Who decides what's spam?

01:02:08.000 Can you walk us through the process of what's happening here?

01:02:10.000 And how do we know that the system won't be abused?

01:02:12.000 So there's also some internet content creators that have their bosoms out.

01:02:18.000 Is that something that gets banned?

01:02:21.000 And where's the oversight when it comes to getting rid of banning people and censoring people?

01:02:27.000 Yeah, so if you look at our terms of service, it actually says if it has artistic or medical value, then it's not going to be considered obscene.

01:02:34.000 Ultimately, at the end of the day, you know, human beings have to make these decisions, right?

01:02:37.000 And they're hard.

01:02:38.000 I mean, even the Supreme Court, when they were pressed with this same exact topic, You know, Justice Potter Stewart, I believe, said, you know it when you see it, right?

01:02:46.000 That was the Supreme Court's official response to this, right?

01:02:49.000 So this ultimately, at the end of the day, is decided by real human beings.

01:02:53.000 And, you know, are we going to make mistakes?

01:02:55.000 Is there going to be false positives?

01:02:56.000 Absolutely.

01:02:57.000 But we do our best every day.

01:02:58.000 And likewise, you know, the big thing that makes us different is that 98% of the moderation on the site is done by the site's users itself.

01:03:05.000 So we have these group systems, right?

01:03:07.000 You can create a group and the users create those groups and they moderate those groups.

01:03:11.000 So they're deciding, is this obscene for my group or is it not?

01:03:15.000 You know, most of the time we are not dealing with that stuff.

01:03:17.000 The users are dealing with it before it even gets to us.

01:03:19.000 Where our team comes in is with illegal activity.

01:03:22.000 And that is where, you know, we will actually take action.

01:03:24.000 If, you know, people are, you know, posting child pornography, for example, we have to legally report that and morally report that to law enforcement and get it off the site immediately.

01:03:35.000 That's the type of stuff where we take action.

01:03:37.000 This other stuff, this day-to-day type stuff on individual use case stuff, we leave that up to our users.

01:03:41.000 If you don't like what someone's saying, if it offends you, unfollow them.

01:03:45.000 You're an adult, right?

01:03:45.000 Block them.

01:03:47.000 Several people are saying that porn actually is not protected speech.

01:03:51.000 It's not speech, first of all.

01:03:52.000 But it's not... I don't think it's protected under... I don't think it is either.

01:03:52.000 It's not speech.

01:03:56.000 I think the law's just not being enforced.

01:03:58.000 I think that the pornography that we see on the internet today would absolutely fail the Miller Test, and it's detestable that our society's not doing something about it.

01:04:05.000 What about ethos with bazonkas out? 1.00

01:04:07.000 Wait, what?

01:04:11.000 If you go to Twitch, right, there's a lot of women gaming the system that way. 1.00

01:04:15.000 They're just like showing their cleavage or whatever. 0.67

01:04:15.000 Right. 0.67

01:04:17.000 Yeah.

01:04:17.000 I mean, I'm just asking because this is a question.

01:04:20.000 That's not pornographic.

01:04:21.000 So that's allowed.

01:04:21.000 No.

01:04:21.000 Okay.

01:04:22.000 So I want to point out in the content standard section, it is unique in that when we had Rumble on, I believe we were looking at the wrong terms, but their terms were very similar to what we see in Silicon Valley.

01:04:33.000 Sure.

01:04:34.000 Uh, getters, same thing.

01:04:35.000 Same thing.

01:04:35.000 No hateful, you know, content or whatever.

01:04:37.000 Uh, your guy's content standards, uh, Gab's content standards specifically says that, uh, if it's protected political, religious, symbolic, or commercial speech under the First Amendment to the Constitution, it will be allowed on the website.

01:04:49.000 But then it also says there are some exceptions.

01:04:51.000 It can't be unlawful, we get.

01:04:53.000 You can't unlawfully threaten, of course, it's not protected.

01:04:55.000 Imminent incitement, not protected.

01:04:57.000 Interfere with the operation of a computer, of course, it's not protected.

01:05:01.000 Being obscene, explicit, pornographic, I think we've just discussed that.

01:05:05.000 Infringing on someone's patent, trademark, trade, secret, copyright is a civil tort, I believe, but not protected, you get sued for that, no penalties.

01:05:12.000 Violate the legal rights of another, we understand. 0.94

01:05:16.000 Impersonating someone, now is that protected speech?

01:05:19.000 If you dressed up like Donald Trump and went out in the street and told people you were him... See, that's a parody though, right?

01:05:24.000 It's protected when it's... No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:05:25.000 No, I mean like if someone literally pretended... Like, you ever see that video where the guy pretends to be Joel Osteen?

01:05:30.000 No, I don't think so.

01:05:31.000 And he actually sneaks in.

01:05:33.000 He's walking around and everyone's shaking his hand because he looks like him.

01:05:36.000 I'm wondering if that wouldn't be fraud because you're not taking something from someone.

01:05:41.000 It depends on the intent, right?

01:05:41.000 It's malicious.

01:05:43.000 Is it malicious intent?

01:05:44.000 Is someone pretending to be Donald Trump and raise money, you know, under his name, right?

01:05:48.000 It really depends on intent, and our policy with that is... Oh, it literally says, for a purpose not protected by the First Amendment.

01:05:53.000 Correct, yes.

01:05:54.000 Oh, well there you go.

01:05:56.000 Then you've got commercial activities related to finance, which is also a legal barrier.

01:05:59.000 Fraud, yeah, fraud type stuff, yep.

01:06:00.000 And also, people need to realize this too, you can't even promote some financial services legally, so it's not protected.

01:06:06.000 Correct.

01:06:07.000 Uh, give the impression they emanate from or endorsed by you.

01:06:10.000 That I understand.

01:06:11.000 Uh, we got to protect our brand.

01:06:11.000 Right.

01:06:12.000 Yeah, that would be, I guess, civil tort in the same sense.

01:06:17.000 Andrew Torba promotes this site or something, right?

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:19.000 When I didn't.

01:06:20.000 And linking to any content of the above categories.

01:06:23.000 I mean, it seems like for the most part, you're basically just outlining what already is not protected by the first amendment.

01:06:28.000 Correct.

01:06:28.000 Yeah.

01:06:29.000 Exactly.

01:06:29.000 And we are the only, you know, aside from Mines, I haven't seen their TOS in a while.

01:06:32.000 That's super similar.

01:06:34.000 But just really quick, when you said in moderation, there's sometimes mistakes made.

01:06:38.000 Is there any mistake that you could tell us that you guys reversed that was a problem from your moderation team that you guys knew you guys made a mistake on and fixed?

01:06:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:46.000 So there was a post actually from Chris Langan, who is the highest IQ person in the world, who is on Gab.

01:06:53.000 And one of our moderators, you know, removed one of his posts.

01:06:58.000 And we had reviewed that.

01:06:59.000 It was escalated to our team and to our legal team.

01:07:01.000 And our legal team is filled with First Amendment lawyers who know this stuff inside and out.

01:07:05.000 They helped us write this, right?

01:07:07.000 They've been with us for many years.

01:07:08.000 And we reviewed that and we turned over that decision.

01:07:11.000 So, you know, again, it's human beings.

01:07:13.000 We're human beings.

01:07:14.000 So, when we make a mistake, we will fix it, and we will undo that, and I apologize to the community for that.

01:07:19.000 It's very rare that that happens, but that happened a few months ago, and I personally apologize to Chris for that, and we undid it.

01:07:24.000 Yeah, redemption, I think, is also very important.

01:07:26.000 Correct.

01:07:27.000 And that's why some people, we were asking the person yesterday, is there a possibility for the people who were censored, a possibility of redemption, or an ability to come back?

01:07:35.000 Is that something also possible on Gap?

01:07:37.000 That is actually in our terms of service where we say if you take this to a competent court and you believe that this was protected by the First Amendment, then we will reinstate you.

01:07:45.000 And I think that's unique.

01:07:46.000 I don't think we're the only ones that have that.

01:07:48.000 What if someone gets banned with an account for violating it and then they spin up a new account?

01:07:53.000 I mean, it's really difficult for us to know that it's going to be them, but honestly, as long as they're going to learn their lesson and not do whatever they did again, I'm okay with them starting fresh.

01:08:03.000 I don't think that's a problem.

01:08:04.000 Ian talks about this.

01:08:05.000 I think it's a good idea, too.

01:08:06.000 He says, ban the account, not the person.

01:08:07.000 Correct.

01:08:08.000 No, so when we're moderating too, you know, our moderation focuses on the individual posts.

01:08:12.000 I think it's absurd that we, you know, ban an entire account for one post.

01:08:16.000 A lot of times people have a bad day, right?

01:08:18.000 And they posted something that maybe they shouldn't have.

01:08:21.000 They were threatening someone or something and they're taking their rage out on somebody on the internet, right?

01:08:25.000 Is it surprising at all that these authoritarian despotic big tech companies would give you a life sentence for one infraction?

01:08:31.000 Right.

01:08:32.000 And no appeal.

01:08:33.000 And no redemption.

01:08:34.000 And you know, as a Christian, that is a whole part of Christianity is redemption, right?

01:08:38.000 And that is something that I definitely believe in.

01:08:41.000 And I think that, you know, when we're moderating, again, it's at the individual post level, you know.

01:08:45.000 And also, are we seeing a behavior, right?

01:08:47.000 So, if someone has been doing this now, if they've been making threats of violence and citing violence for, you know, six months, well, at a certain point, we have to take additional steps, right?

01:08:56.000 And even then, we give them the benefit of the doubt.

01:08:58.000 We try to talk with them.

01:08:59.000 We give them warnings and stuff.

01:09:01.000 But at a certain point, if they're sitting there and they're, you know, threatening people all day long, and they've been warned, you know, a dozen times, for months, over a period of months, at a certain time, we have to take additional action, right?

01:09:11.000 To make a point known.

01:09:12.000 Otherwise, you know, you know, they're gonna run, they're gonna run wild and keep doing it.

01:09:19.000 It's similar.

01:09:20.000 It doesn't outline it the same way that you guys do, but it's very similar.

01:09:23.000 To get banned, it has to be illegal content.

01:09:26.000 Malware, token manipulation, impersonation.

01:09:29.000 I definitely think Mines needs to clarify what impersonation is because parody is allowed.

01:09:33.000 But for the most part, this is interesting too, Mines has two different categories for strikes.

01:09:38.000 One is if you're posting gore or porn, you have to flag it as not safe for work by yourself.

01:09:43.000 Otherwise, your whole channel will be flagged permanently as not safe for work.

01:09:47.000 I think that was one of my ideas.

01:09:47.000 Yeah, I did that.

01:09:49.000 That's a good idea.

01:09:49.000 That was a group of us came up with that idea.

01:09:51.000 Yeah, and then harassment and spam you'll get banned for, but that specifically says spam is repeated, unwanted, and or unsolicited actions, automated or manual, negatively impacting groups.

01:10:03.000 Spam is spam.

01:10:04.000 We get that.

01:10:06.000 Mine says pretty lax rules for the most part, but the interesting thing is the jury system, and then they show you actions taken.

01:10:12.000 That's pretty cool.

01:10:13.000 So yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:15.000 It's got a lot of potential.

01:10:16.000 No hate?

01:10:16.000 Did you control F hate?

01:10:18.000 Let's see what they say about hate speech.

01:10:19.000 Absolutely.

01:10:20.000 I hate that word.

01:10:21.000 That's why I think I kept it out of there.

01:10:22.000 Zero.

01:10:23.000 The word hate does not appear on mine.

01:10:23.000 Nice.

01:10:25.000 What I don't like is the ability to ban anyone at any time.

01:10:27.000 That every lawyer is like, you gotta put that in there.

01:10:30.000 Just do it.

01:10:31.000 I'm like, no!

01:10:32.000 But it's like, I can't say no, it wasn't my company.

01:10:34.000 Well, do you guys say that you reserve the right to ban anyone at any time?

01:10:37.000 I'm not sure if we have that in there or not.

01:10:39.000 I don't know what you would look for.

01:10:40.000 We will ban this, but not limited to, and then it gives you a list.

01:10:43.000 You're like, what does that mean, not limited to?

01:10:44.000 Does that mean you can ban anything?

01:10:45.000 Well, legally, yes.

01:10:48.000 I don't know.

01:10:49.000 I'd have to read through it all the way through.

01:10:50.000 Most companies just include it because you could be sued if you don't. 0.86

01:10:55.000 And it could be a ridiculous claim.

01:10:57.000 But maybe it's the right thing to do.

01:10:59.000 To be like, as you enter into this contract to produce content on this platform, we as a company recognize it'll be generating revenue for us through the work you do, and thus you have certain rights on the platform.

01:11:12.000 I think that the network should be able to ban anyone at any time personally, but that's why I'm into the federated process and decentralization of content and I guess you would call it like services, decentralized services.

01:11:23.000 So like no centralized login, the data is not held on one server where the king can shut it all down tomorrow.

01:11:30.000 But I think the king should be able to shut his server down, his node, and block out anyone from his node.

01:11:36.000 That's why I'm aiming towards Like, individual liberty on a decentralized mass scale, kind of like the United States where you have sovereignty of your household.

01:11:44.000 So we kind of do that with groups right now, right?

01:11:46.000 So they have full control over who gets to join the group, who gets to post in the group, what's allowed in the group.

01:11:51.000 We don't control any of that.

01:11:52.000 They set the rules.

01:11:54.000 If they run a cats group, which there is a cats group on Gab, and someone is posting dogs in there... How dare they!

01:12:01.000 The ultimate sin.

01:12:03.000 You know, well, obviously, they're going to remove that.

01:12:05.000 And they're probably going to kick that person from the group. But it doesn't mean that the person

01:12:08.000 is kicked off of gab, they're just gonna have to go post in, you know, the dog group, I would 1.00

01:12:12.000 do that. I don't I don't like cats. But just another thing is that I really wanted to ask you, are

01:12:19.000 you guys making any moves to prevent an echo chamber on your platform? Because some people are

01:12:24.000 saying it's only with this particular viewpoint on your platform that dominates? Are there any

01:12:29.000 efforts by you guys to try to reach out to other people to bring them on to kind of broaden the

01:12:33.000 perspective and conversation?

01:12:34.000 Well, this is happening naturally right now.

01:12:36.000 And actually, there have been academic studies on this that show that Gab is not an echo chamber specifically because we are not censoring based on arbitrary political viewpoints.

01:12:45.000 We have a chronological feed, and we allow people to shape and create their own experience.

01:12:49.000 So they're exposed to a lot of different things.

01:12:51.000 that they might not see in other platforms.

01:12:54.000 What we're also seeing is this, as I said, this is happening naturally.

01:12:57.000 So people who are not wanting to get vaccinated are coming over to Gab.

01:13:03.000 We're seeing medical doctors and stuff, and it's not even political at all.

01:13:06.000 By the way, we have tens of thousands of groups that have nothing to do with politics.

01:13:10.000 There's people that come on Gab to post about classic cars, which is one of my favorite groups.

01:13:14.000 There's people that come on Gab to talk about arts and crafts and homeschooling and faith and all these different topics that are talked about and these niche communities that are forming through our group system.

01:13:26.000 So, you know, there's anything but an echo chamber.

01:13:29.000 The experience is what you make of it.

01:13:31.000 If you want to create an echo chamber on Gab with your account, you can do that.

01:13:36.000 But if you want to, you know, be exposed to a lot of different ideas, you can also do that too.

01:13:41.000 So we want to leave it in your hands.

01:13:42.000 I got to know about this center.

01:13:43.000 I want to touch on dissenter It's a browser that you guys built and it's a fork of the brave browser And it basically what I got from it I have only used it once and I remember I went to a website and I believe it was made so that you could comment on websites Maybe they were banned from so like if Nick Fuentes or anybody want to go to Twitter But and comment on the Twitter post they could comment in the dissenter browser.

01:14:03.000 So anyone else is amazing That's awesome!

01:14:05.000 Yeah, so this is Gabtrends, which you have right here.

01:14:07.000 So anybody can go to trends.gab.com, enter in any URL of any news article, and leave a comment on it.

01:14:12.000 And the news article, the news outlet can do nothing to stop you.

01:14:18.000 Is that Dissenter?

01:14:19.000 That is part of Dissenter, yes.

01:14:21.000 So the browser itself has this baked in as an extension, and unfortunately we've had to depreciate Dissenter because we didn't have the resources or the time to upkeep it.

01:14:29.000 But I think we're going to bring it back in the future.

01:14:31.000 I think that's a great idea.

01:14:33.000 Whatever software, that could be our main browser function to be able to comment on other places you go.

01:14:37.000 It's epic.

01:14:38.000 It's like putting an entire layer on top of the internet that the other sites can't do anything about.

01:14:42.000 Why couldn't you guys maintain it?

01:14:43.000 What happened?

01:14:44.000 Well, maintaining a browser is a lot of work.

01:14:46.000 It's a lot of work.

01:14:47.000 What about just the extension?

01:14:49.000 Uh, the extension.

01:14:50.000 Yeah.

01:14:50.000 So it lives now.

01:14:51.000 Well, the extension, the problem with the extension is the extension got banned just like everything else from the extension app stores on Google and Firefox.

01:14:58.000 So that's why we needed our own browser in the first place.

01:15:00.000 And the browser is very difficult to maintain.

01:15:02.000 So this concept, this idea lives on, on GAP.

01:15:04.000 Is it proprietary?

01:15:05.000 I couldn't find the code.

01:15:06.000 Uh, this is, yeah, the, the, no, I think we open sourced the extension.

01:15:10.000 If you could open it, we'll start working on it.

01:15:13.000 Really?

01:15:14.000 Yeah.

01:15:15.000 The browser, I believe, is open.

01:15:16.000 I think we have a repo for that.

01:15:18.000 Yeah.

01:15:18.000 The extension, I think, is as well, but Trends isn't.

01:15:22.000 This is proprietary.

01:15:23.000 I remember a few years ago, media organizations used to have comments on almost every single news story, and you were able to get in there, get people's perspective, get people's thoughts, and then slowly and surely, every media organization has stopped it.

01:15:35.000 Yep.

01:15:36.000 Dead internet theory, bro.

01:15:37.000 Yeah, and then everybody moved to Twitter and everything else, and then they shut that down.

01:15:41.000 Yeah.

01:15:42.000 And it was so disappointing and slowly and surely and now we're in this kind of place where they only have the algorithm of what they want you to see.

01:15:49.000 So I appreciate, you know, the effort to fight against everyone stopping you, everyone standing in your way.

01:15:49.000 Correct.

01:15:55.000 And I think we definitely need more of things like the center where voices of people could still come back.

01:16:01.000 What do you think people watching would do if they realized we were all AI generated, you know?

01:16:05.000 There's no real show here.

01:16:06.000 It's just like some fat guy in a room with a computer.

01:16:08.000 I'm a real human being.

01:16:09.000 6% of them would keep watching and not even bat an eye.

01:16:11.000 Yeah, they'd be like, well, whatever.

01:16:13.000 I believe everything at face value.

01:16:13.000 It's fun.

01:16:15.000 No, we're real human beings, unfortunately.

01:16:17.000 Although Ian would probably appreciate it.

01:16:17.000 I think so.

01:16:19.000 I'm a crystal.

01:16:19.000 No, fortunately.

01:16:20.000 That's what makes us different.

01:16:22.000 That's what makes us different than the regime.

01:16:25.000 Their vision is for transhumanism.

01:16:27.000 So they want to ascend humanity.

01:16:29.000 They want to ascend beyond humanity and become gods.

01:16:32.000 And they want the rest of us plugged into the metaverse where they control and dominate us for all eternity.

01:16:37.000 That is their vision for the future.

01:16:39.000 When are you going to make your own metaverse?

01:16:41.000 You're building everything else.

01:16:42.000 Yeah, I don't know how I feel about the metaverse.

01:16:44.000 You know, I wrote a blog post about this from the Christian point of view, and I feel like we're going to need Christian missionaries to go into the metaverse to pull people out back to reality, right? 0.99

01:16:55.000 Digital heroin dens, literally.

01:16:57.000 You should make a virtual world app where it's like the Gab metaverse and everyone's a frog person.

01:17:04.000 And just be like, this is our version of reality, you know.

01:17:06.000 If we could layer Dissenter into the Metaverse experience, you could have like a meta layer of resistance, bro.

01:17:12.000 Yeah.

01:17:12.000 That's a good... So the challenge is, you know, they nuke you, they ban you, but when people are in that Metaverse, there's a reason why they got rid of comments, there's a reason why Dissenter was so dangerous.

01:17:22.000 Right.

01:17:23.000 If you could get a message layer to people who are in the system that gives them a It's like in the Matrix when they call the operator in the ship.

01:17:31.000 That's what it would be like.

01:17:32.000 Someone on the outside telling you what's going on.

01:17:35.000 We can't allow that, man.

01:17:36.000 There's something exciting about the Metaverse happening.

01:17:39.000 We can be like in the Matrix and we can be the heroes fighting to free people, which I guess we're kind of doing right now.

01:17:47.000 I like the idea of being able to do like 80 calculations at once and like play 90 games at once because it's going to help us evolve the way our minds think when we're controlling computers with our brains without the finger interface.

01:17:57.000 That's cool.

01:17:58.000 The computer is going to be controlling you.

01:18:00.000 Right.

01:18:01.000 Is it already?

01:18:01.000 It might already be controlling me.

01:18:02.000 I'm here on a TV show.

01:18:03.000 You know, it's like controlling me to be here.

01:18:06.000 Yep.

01:18:06.000 You know, we could be controlled by the AI and all that stuff already and not even realize it.

01:18:10.000 We are.

01:18:10.000 No, we are.

01:18:11.000 Through the feeds.

01:18:12.000 That's what they're doing.

01:18:12.000 And Facebook has admitted to this, by the way.

01:18:14.000 They've admitted to socially engineering the user base.

01:18:16.000 Absolutely.

01:18:17.000 We talk about this on the show all the time.

01:18:18.000 Yeah, this is happening right now.

01:18:20.000 You open up your Facebook and you scroll your feed and you are being socially engineered, whether you realize it or not.

01:18:26.000 Oh, even the frequency that the TV is blaring at you.

01:18:29.000 Correct.

01:18:29.000 That's gotta be brainwashing.

01:18:30.000 And the hertz of music as well.

01:18:32.000 What do you think they call it?

01:18:34.000 TV programming?

01:18:36.000 They are programming your mind.

01:18:38.000 It's the same thing happening with the feeds as well.

01:18:40.000 I like the meme.

01:18:42.000 But it is!

01:18:42.000 But it's called that because it was like a program.

01:18:46.000 I don't know my TV history, yeah.

01:18:48.000 Yeah, TV history was basically just like the program didn't mean like they were programming like a computer because, you know, computers weren't prominent enough.

01:18:55.000 It was literally just like the list of shows they had.

01:18:58.000 It fits.

01:18:59.000 Before that they had telegrams.

01:19:00.000 It does fit.

01:19:00.000 They would send you a telegram.

01:19:02.000 Then they had a program.

01:19:04.000 The word's probably been around longer.

01:19:06.000 So if I could ask you, just getting back on course here, what's stopping you guys from growing and expanding?

01:19:11.000 Where do you guys want to go and what's standing in your way from achieving that?

01:19:16.000 So, you know, I think our mission right now is to protect and preserve free speech on the internet and to survive.

01:19:23.000 That's it.

01:19:24.000 Survive and thrive.

01:19:25.000 Gab is inevitable. 1.00

01:19:27.000 As long as we can continue to exist, it's inevitable that people will, you know, go to these other platforms and find out the hard way that it's not what it's, you know, being sold out to be.

01:19:37.000 And then they inevitably come over to Gab.

01:19:38.000 So we see things like Getter pop up.

01:19:40.000 Like when Parler popped up, we saw a huge amount of growth.

01:19:43.000 And then they got taken out because they're hosted on Amazon servers and they're dependent on app stores.

01:19:47.000 And that is when we got a huge surge.

01:19:49.000 The same thing is going to happen with all these other guys.

01:19:52.000 They think that if they ban hate speech and they bend the knee and they ban political dissonance like Nick Fuentes, That, you know, Apple and Google are going to be benevolent to them and they're going to let them exist.

01:20:01.000 But what they don't realize is that they're built on Silicon Valley infrastructure and trying to take on Silicon Valley.

01:20:07.000 Okay?

01:20:08.000 You cannot take on Silicon Valley built on Silicon Valley infrastructure.

01:20:11.000 It is a matter of time, the second that Getter or True Social or whoever it is gets big enough, they're going to pull the rug out.

01:20:18.000 And their excuse could be whatever.

01:20:19.000 It could be medical misinformation.

01:20:21.000 It could be election misinformation.

01:20:22.000 It could be protecting our democracy.

01:20:24.000 Right?

01:20:24.000 Take your pick.

01:20:25.000 They can ban you for no reason because Bezos wakes up and decides, I don't want to host Parler anymore. 0.78

01:20:31.000 One click.

01:20:31.000 Goodbye.

01:20:32.000 That's what happened to Parler.

01:20:33.000 That's what happened to us.

01:20:34.000 And that's why we built our own infrastructure.

01:20:36.000 Didn't they go for your domain?

01:20:37.000 Everything.

01:20:38.000 Yes.

01:20:39.000 GoDaddy banned us.

01:20:40.000 Yes.

01:20:40.000 And thanks to Epic.com, E-P-I-K.com, who is our domain registrar, the free speech domain registrar.

01:20:46.000 That is what allows us to have a domain registrar.

01:20:49.000 There are these really angry people.

01:20:51.000 They're mad that Dan Bongino uses all, I guess, what you'd call right-wing infrastructure, which is a weird way to frame it.

01:20:57.000 Let's just call it resistance.

01:20:59.000 Mass formation rebellion infrastructure.

01:21:02.000 And they can't shut him down because they contact their friends in Silicon Valley and they just say, sorry, they're not using our infrastructure.

01:21:10.000 Well, as far as I know, Rumble and some of these other things.

01:21:13.000 Are you talking about his show?

01:21:16.000 I was reading that there was a complaint from one of these left-wing publications that because he uses, you know, infrastructure outside of Silicon Valley, they can't get him banned.

01:21:24.000 That's the only way to do it.

01:21:26.000 That's the only way to do it.

01:21:27.000 I mean, you cannot be built on this infrastructure and then go out there and say, we're going to take down JCMO.

01:21:31.000 We're going to go out there and take down Big Tech.

01:21:33.000 And meanwhile, our servers are hosted by Amazon, guys.

01:21:35.000 I think of it as a blob, like the Big Tech is a blob.

01:21:38.000 And then if you're trying to build a blob to counteract the blob, the blob will consume you and become a larger blob.

01:21:43.000 Right.

01:21:44.000 The second that you become a threat to their hegemony, they will take you out with one click and it's over.

01:21:49.000 So to the content creators out there who are saying, well, why should I join Getter or why should I join Gab?

01:21:53.000 It's real simple.

01:21:54.000 You know, you're investing in a big tech owned and controlled infrastructure, or are you investing in an infrastructure that is wholly owned by Gab?

01:22:02.000 Gab that is attacked and de-platformed more than any of these other players in the space and has not only survived it, but has thrived through it and has become more resilient, the most resilient platform On the internet today to defend free speech.

01:22:14.000 Period.

01:22:14.000 Parallel economies, man.

01:22:15.000 Has Tim talked to you about the charity we started?

01:22:17.000 No.

01:22:17.000 Open Network Foundation.

01:22:18.000 We're building like a Fediverse package that's able to be federated.

01:22:21.000 I'm fascinated with federating networks.

01:22:23.000 Yes.

01:22:23.000 And what I'd like to do is basically you download an application, you run it, you install it, and then you can start uploading videos to a server of your choice.

01:22:30.000 Rumble, Personal Server, YouTube.

01:22:31.000 Well, the idea is so that someone could have their own version of Patreon, Facebook, or whatever.

01:22:38.000 Right, so you get your own server space, you download the package, we're gonna make it, we're gonna give it away for free, you install it, you tell people, hey, go to my website, it's, you know, TimCast.com, and when they go there, they see a social media feed, it's connected to the network of all the other websites that use that service, but it's all hosted by you.

01:22:55.000 That means you gotta pay for it, but you also have the option to plug in and have people pay memberships, just like any other subscription service, and then if I go on Ian's website, I can go to the search and I can type in like, you know, I'm looking for a person and I can find my website and you can follow it.

01:23:10.000 Yes, it's federated, right?

01:23:13.000 And then I can go view his Gab feed on my application and you can still get the log the views and the activity.

01:23:20.000 You're making me think read-only is the way to go, because I don't want to get hit with spam comments.

01:23:20.000 Right.

01:23:23.000 Yes, yes.

01:23:24.000 Maybe there's a way to do like an amalgamated read-only with some limited outgoing function from that.

01:23:30.000 But it could just be a read-only package at that point.

01:23:32.000 So first of all, I love that you guys are building, right?

01:23:32.000 Right, right.

01:23:35.000 You're not just complaining about the problem, you're out there building, which is what I've been doing for five and a half years.

01:23:39.000 And I think this is speaking to something that I've also been talking about, which is the balkanization of social media and the fragmentation of social media.

01:23:46.000 So we saw the consolidation where Facebook's buying up Instagram and WhatsApp and all the players in the space.

01:23:51.000 That is over.

01:23:52.000 There is no more.

01:23:53.000 There's nothing more to consolidate.

01:23:54.000 So now it's fragmenting and it's balkanizing into communities that share values.

01:23:59.000 And our little community on the Internet is going to be the community that defends First Amendment protected speech at all costs.

01:24:06.000 You know, I would say I think it is still, what was the word you used, balkanizing, and then the other word of it coming together?

01:24:10.000 Fragmentation, yeah, or consolidation.

01:24:12.000 Consolidation.

01:24:13.000 Microsoft bought Blizzard a couple days ago for $68 billion.

01:24:15.000 68 billion dollars, the largest billion dollars, 68 billion, 68.7 billion.

01:24:21.000 The largest corporate consummation I've ever seen in my life that I know of,

01:24:25.000 like, like, uh, entertainment, corporate consolidation.

01:24:28.000 So I think they're going to start going after the movie industry.

01:24:30.000 They're going to buy Paramount.

01:24:31.000 They're going to buy Microsoft might end up doing it and try and consolidate all the video game industry and all the movie industry and then create the metaverse of the movie, TV, video game experience where you're the main character.

01:24:41.000 It's a different movie every time you play.

01:24:43.000 You see Facebook going all in on this.

01:24:45.000 You see Microsoft going all in on this.

01:24:46.000 You see Disney is also going all in on the metaverse.

01:24:49.000 I want no part of it.

01:24:50.000 I want to live in the real world.

01:24:51.000 I want to empower people.

01:24:53.000 What we're building is about empowering people to speak freely and to get access to information

01:24:56.000 that they can't get anywhere else.

01:24:58.000 And after that, I want them to go out and live their lives with their families.

01:25:01.000 I don't care if they're sitting on my website all day.

01:25:02.000 I don't want them sitting on my website all day.

01:25:04.000 I want to empower them to speak their mind freely to other people, and to communicate with other people, and to get access to information.

01:25:10.000 That's my mission.

01:25:11.000 It's going to be the year 2273.

01:25:15.000 A hovercraft is going to pull a guy out of a Matrix pod, and he's going to be like, why do my eyes hurt?

01:25:20.000 And then, you know, someone's going to go, because you've never used them.

01:25:23.000 And then they're going to go in the ship, and they're going to be going through the tunnels, and then the door is going to open up, and there's going to be these crazy underground buildings, and the guy's going to be like, where are we?

01:25:31.000 This is Gab.

01:25:31.000 The last free city on Earth.

01:25:33.000 You know who the person is they're going to pull out of the pod?

01:25:37.000 You're still alive, because they kept you alive in that pod for 200 years.

01:25:37.000 It's you, Tim.

01:25:40.000 Just like Neo in The Matrix.

01:25:41.000 I will not live in the pod.

01:25:43.000 And it's funny you bring up Gab's cities, because this is a concept I just talked about.

01:25:47.000 I think that this is a very real possibility that we could see gabbers start to form their own cities.

01:25:52.000 What's stopping a gabber from buying some land out in Montana or Wyoming and creating a gab city?

01:25:56.000 We're actually, well we're starting with Freedomistan.

01:25:59.000 Have you heard of it?

01:26:00.000 No.

01:26:00.000 It's actually just a very big acreage property we're going to be building on.

01:26:03.000 We're going to be putting the show there.

01:26:04.000 But we're going to be expanding and setting up a bunch of different stuff there.

01:26:07.000 But one of the things we discussed was setting up production facilities in an old kind of dying town

01:26:13.000 in West Virginia, where they'll have like 15 buildings in a small area that used to be a small town

01:26:18.000 and people are moving out, the buildings are falling apart.

01:26:19.000 So we come in, we buy one, we fix one up.

01:26:21.000 We expand and eventually it's like a city of people who share values and are working towards these similar

01:26:27.000 So it would be like a production city.

01:26:27.000 goals.

01:26:29.000 It would be like a podcast town.

01:26:31.000 You can create an entire parallel economy in that town.

01:26:34.000 I mean, this is a concept that I've been talking about for- We make Luke Bucks.

01:26:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:38.000 Nice.

01:26:38.000 Made of gold foil.

01:26:40.000 You can eat them. 0.77

01:26:40.000 There'll be bullets. 0.77

01:26:41.000 No, Ian- I want edible currency.

01:26:44.000 Ian ends up creating his own federal reserve, his own local freedomistan reserve, and controls all currency, and he's rich.

01:26:49.000 Well, it would be like in an account that I wouldn't have access to and it would just slowly give out tokens to people that utilize the system.

01:26:55.000 Kind of like a reward setup.

01:26:56.000 Right.

01:26:56.000 Maybe.

01:26:57.000 That's a very early way to look at it.

01:26:59.000 You have to barter and buy everything with bullets?

01:27:01.000 That sounds pretty interesting.

01:27:02.000 That should be the currency in Fallout, by the way.

01:27:04.000 Actually, we were talking about that as a joke.

01:27:06.000 That, like, a guy walks into the store and he's like, you know, I'll get a roast beef on rye with Swiss.

01:27:12.000 Okay, that'll be 150 BMG and two 7.62s.

01:27:15.000 Do you have change for 250 BMG?

01:27:18.000 Yeah, we do, and they call it some 9mm.

01:27:20.000 We should literally do that.

01:27:22.000 I have one more question that I'm really curious about.

01:27:24.000 You only get to pick one.

01:27:26.000 Ron Paul, Ron DeSantis, Donald Trump.

01:27:29.000 Ron Paul.

01:27:30.000 Wow.

01:27:30.000 Okay.

01:27:33.000 Come on, man.

01:27:34.000 Nobody, nobody.

01:27:34.000 If I only had to pick one.

01:27:35.000 Yeah.

01:27:36.000 Ron Paul is, is of course, like, there's no question.

01:27:39.000 Well, you never know.

01:27:40.000 You know, some people have a different.

01:27:41.000 Well, yeah.

01:27:42.000 I mean, you know, you get the Trump people and they're like Trump, of course.

01:27:43.000 Exactly.

01:27:44.000 What did Ron Paul say on his way out that they were psychopathic authoritarians or something? 0.97

01:27:47.000 That it was like a den of vipers.

01:27:49.000 His last speech was absolutely brilliant on the house floor and should definitely be watched.

01:27:56.000 They called him Dr. No and he absolutely did...

01:28:00.000 A lot of not governing, which was awesome.

01:28:02.000 We gotta get Ron on Rogan and get him hooked up with these doctors to get the life extension, like David Sinclair at Harvard.

01:28:07.000 I want Ron to be around for another 50 years.

01:28:09.000 I don't think Ron would want to do that.

01:28:10.000 Ron, do it.

01:28:11.000 You gotta make the sacrifice.

01:28:12.000 It's not about what you want.

01:28:13.000 He takes an NAD.

01:28:14.000 He looks 10 years younger.

01:28:16.000 I like Rand Paul.

01:28:18.000 He's cool too.

01:28:19.000 But how come Rand isn't as cool as Ron Paul?

01:28:21.000 Dude, Ron Paul.

01:28:22.000 It's Ron Paul.

01:28:23.000 I mean, the father of our nation.

01:28:25.000 Listen, anybody that wants to say end the Fed or audit the Fed is going to get my vote, right?

01:28:29.000 Does Rand advocate for that stuff?

01:28:31.000 I'm not sure.

01:28:32.000 He does for the audit.

01:28:34.000 He proposed a couple bills in the Senate saying we need to audit the Federal Reserve.

01:28:38.000 Bernie Sanders supported it initially and then dropped off last minute.

01:28:42.000 There was a chance that it was going to pass in the Senate and then last minute major players just fell out.

01:28:50.000 Man, that's sad.

01:28:51.000 I like Rand Paul, man.

01:28:52.000 He stands up for what he believes in.

01:28:53.000 He pushes back.

01:28:54.000 We're lucky to have him.

01:28:55.000 Ron was a legend, though.

01:28:57.000 It's too bad Bernie caved.

01:28:59.000 He was supposed to be the populist insurgent for the left, and he didn't do it. 0.91

01:29:03.000 He got halfway there and was like, I guess I'll just lick Hillary's boots. 0.97

01:29:06.000 And then he did! 0.86

01:29:07.000 It was so weird.

01:29:08.000 He gave that speech where the bird landed on his podium.

01:29:11.000 And like, that's not a coincidence.

01:29:12.000 That's magnetic, man.

01:29:13.000 Birds attuned to magnetic.

01:29:15.000 They felt his energy.

01:29:17.000 He should have been president.

01:29:18.000 I was so into that.

01:29:19.000 Why did he cave?

01:29:21.000 Obviously it's conspiracy town now, but like, you think he got threatened?

01:29:24.000 No, I think he got a million dollars from his book.

01:29:27.000 I think, you know, when he started his campaign, he wasn't expecting it to get as big as it did.

01:29:31.000 He started making money.

01:29:32.000 And I tell you this, people, some people, when they make money, they start, they get that whisper in their ear from that devil on their shoulder saying, you deserve it.

01:29:38.000 It's yours. 1.00

01:29:39.000 These people are too stupid. 1.00

01:29:40.000 They don't deserve it. 1.00

01:29:41.000 Yeah, you're right. 1.00

01:29:42.000 I fucked my whole life for this. 1.00

01:29:43.000 I deserve four houses. 1.00

01:29:45.000 Or how many houses does he have?

01:29:46.000 He has three houses?

01:29:47.000 Let's find out.

01:29:49.000 My opinion of him is that as he started getting more and more famous, he started getting people whispering in his ears and he was like... I've dealt with this.

01:29:56.000 Yeah.

01:29:56.000 No, I've dealt with this.

01:29:57.000 I've had people come to me with large sums of money, large offers.

01:30:00.000 What they found out is that I'm not doing this for money.

01:30:02.000 It's not about money.

01:30:03.000 I can't be bought, number one.

01:30:05.000 Then they tried to use fear.

01:30:06.000 And what they found out is that I only fear God.

01:30:08.000 I don't fear them.

01:30:09.000 And now at this point, their only thing left at this point is to continue with the smears or to just pretend I don't exist.

01:30:16.000 So that's why you're not going to see me on Fox News or any of the major players is because they don't want to give me the airtime to speak my mind and talk about these things.

01:30:25.000 When you say you're not doing it for the money, I believe you, dude.

01:30:28.000 And it's not about you.

01:30:29.000 I can't trust you.

01:30:29.000 I believe you because you freed the software code of Gab.

01:30:32.000 Right, right.

01:30:33.000 Ian, he finally got what he wanted.

01:30:35.000 A tech CEO is like, I freed the code, Ian.

01:30:36.000 It was mind-blowing.

01:30:37.000 Tim was telling me that you guys started using the Mastodon code in like February of 2020 or something.

01:30:41.000 It was just mind-blowing.

01:30:42.000 It was July 2019.

01:30:43.000 Yeah, that was such a good move.

01:30:45.000 It was a big move.

01:30:46.000 It's bigger than us.

01:30:46.000 It was a hard move, man.

01:30:47.000 It was definitely a hard move.

01:30:49.000 And, you know, it's something that, you know, Facebook... Can you see Facebook's code?

01:30:53.000 No.

01:30:54.000 That'd be so awesome.

01:30:54.000 Right?

01:30:55.000 Like, come on.

01:30:56.000 You have no idea how their algorithms work.

01:30:57.000 There's probably like... Oh, there's probably some real good stuff in there.

01:31:00.000 Yeah.

01:31:01.000 People don't realize.

01:31:01.000 They think it's really simple.

01:31:03.000 Like, a box appears and says, here's a picture of a dog. 1.00

01:31:06.000 It could actually have things in it like, person IQ level deemed 70, moron, feed them trash. 0.99

01:31:12.000 And you'd be like, that's what they're saying about me? 0.99

01:31:15.000 Yeah, you have they were experimenting on people.

01:31:17.000 Well, this is the thing that I don't like about, you know, getter and stuff too, is if you look at their code, if you look at, you know, the website, they actually have Facebook and Google pixels that are tracking you.

01:31:26.000 So you're literally, you know, you think you're on leaving Facebook, I'm going over to this alternative, and like, you're still being tracked by Facebook over there.

01:31:31.000 Yeah, if you have Google Ads on your website, you're getting tracked by Google.

01:31:34.000 All your users are getting tracked by Google.

01:31:36.000 Do you know how hard it was for us to build and maintain Gab without using things like Google Analytics?

01:31:41.000 Because we didn't want our users tracked by Google.

01:31:44.000 So we had to build all of that stuff.

01:31:46.000 And they make this stuff free on purpose so they can get the data.

01:31:49.000 We didn't want to give Google or Facebook or anything.

01:31:51.000 We didn't care if it was free.

01:31:52.000 We didn't care if it made our lives easier.

01:31:53.000 We didn't care if it made our road harder and we had to go build our own Google Analytics and all this stuff.

01:31:58.000 We did it.

01:31:58.000 And you can actually verify this yourself and go and look.

01:32:01.000 No, hold on a minute.

01:32:03.000 Facebook knows when you poop.

01:32:04.000 And that's a very important bit of data for their operation.

01:32:07.000 So you're saying that Gap doesn't know when its users are going to the bathroom?

01:32:10.000 We track the least amount of data possible.

01:32:13.000 So we require like an email to sign up.

01:32:15.000 You can actually look at this.

01:32:16.000 If you have ad blockers and stuff, you'll see there's nothing on the site, right?

01:32:20.000 So we don't care about that stuff.

01:32:21.000 What we care is about empowering people to speak freely.

01:32:24.000 We don't care about tracking their every click and every move.

01:32:27.000 Well, how about we go to Super Chats, my friends?

01:32:28.000 If you have not already, get those Super Chat questions in, smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share this show with all of your friends.

01:32:35.000 It really helps because we don't have a marketing budget.

01:32:37.000 We just rely on word of mouth.

01:32:39.000 But don't forget, go to TimCast.com, become a member, and around 11 or so p.m., we will have a members-only, uncensored, not family-friendly version of the show available for all of you.

01:32:48.000 So let's read what people have to say.

01:32:51.000 The first one we have is, thank God for Gab.

01:32:54.000 And there is a fist and a smiley face.

01:32:56.000 Well, all right, there you go.

01:32:58.000 Then we got a nice $100 super chat.

01:33:00.000 Appreciate that.

01:33:01.000 So people are really getting excited.

01:33:03.000 Shout out to Mastodon, too, for laying the groundwork.

01:33:06.000 Absolutely.

01:33:06.000 As much as they're not happy.

01:33:08.000 No, they hate us.

01:33:09.000 Yeah.

01:33:09.000 But that's what open source code is about.

01:33:12.000 Wasn't it weird, though?

01:33:12.000 I remember The point of open source code was to empower everyone, and then when they actually empowered you, they're like, no, wait, not you!

01:33:18.000 Yes, exactly.

01:33:19.000 That's the weirdest thing for me because, you know, I used to hang out in the hacker community way back then, especially during Occupy, and all of those people were like, everyone should have the ability to speak.

01:33:28.000 And they were all about free speech for everyone.

01:33:31.000 All of a sudden, these same people are now like, no, we've changed our mind.

01:33:33.000 We don't want free speech, but we're going to make free speech software.

01:33:36.000 What happened to you dudes?

01:33:37.000 People lost their minds.

01:33:38.000 There were a bunch of... I'll tell you this, man.

01:33:41.000 They were all lefty.

01:33:41.000 A bunch of my hacker friends, lefties, you know, with Anonymous and these other groups that were fighting and protesting.

01:33:48.000 And then in, you know, 2017, 2018, 2019, with all the Trump stuff happening, I see a lot of people just toeing the line. 0.89

01:33:56.000 But a few people I know who are still lefty were just like, overtly, screw them.

01:34:02.000 I'm not changing my positions.

01:34:03.000 And now they're being called right-wing.

01:34:04.000 But it's obvious.

01:34:05.000 It happens to all of us.

01:34:06.000 All right.

01:34:07.000 RWS says, thank you for guests without handlers.

01:34:11.000 All right.

01:34:12.000 There you go.

01:34:13.000 Greg Herbold says, Tim, I have a seven-year-old godson that can't stop talking about skateboarding.

01:34:17.000 Do you have a suggestion for a brand that would be a good starter board for him?

01:34:21.000 Love the work all of you guys do.

01:34:23.000 Starter board?

01:34:24.000 I don't know.

01:34:25.000 I ride 8 1⁄2 by 32, and I like using Antahera as my favorite brand.

01:34:31.000 But I don't know if they still have the termite boards that, you know, for a seven-year-old, they're a lot smaller.

01:34:36.000 But maybe he's just gonna have to start riding a regular board.

01:34:39.000 I guess if you're not gonna go with any smaller size boards, you can try and find a 7.5.

01:34:43.000 I like Antihero.

01:34:45.000 I don't know if Antihero makes 7.5, because they're like pool boards.

01:34:48.000 But that or Real.

01:34:51.000 R-E-A-L skateboards.

01:34:52.000 That's the name of the company.

01:34:52.000 Those are my favorites.

01:34:53.000 Oh, it looks like Bernie has three houses.

01:34:55.000 I was an Element guy myself.

01:34:56.000 Element?

01:34:57.000 Yeah.

01:34:57.000 Element's pretty good, actually, surprisingly.

01:34:59.000 A lot of people thought it was corporate, but they're pretty good.

01:35:01.000 My issue was that I always broke them.

01:35:03.000 I found them to be brittle.

01:35:04.000 Yeah.

01:35:05.000 So I only had a couple and I did a kickflip off a gap and cracked it.

01:35:09.000 Anti-hero man never done me wrong.

01:35:10.000 But I ride big boards for someone who doesn't skate vert.

01:35:13.000 It's kind of funny.

01:35:14.000 Or transition for the most part.

01:35:17.000 All right, let's see what we got. 0.99

01:35:18.000 Let's try and find some good questions, because there's a lot of ones that are, you know, kind of dumb, as it can be. 0.98

01:35:23.000 I have a question. 0.96

01:35:25.000 Free men die free says, it isn't right versus left, it's libertarian versus authoritarian.

01:35:29.000 The truth is a libertarian bias.

01:35:30.000 Free markets, private property, individual liberty.

01:35:32.000 Yes, because in order to maintain authoritarian systems, you have to lie to people.

01:35:36.000 So that's really what it is.

01:35:37.000 The people who believe the truth are people who are free, and the people who believe the lies are being enslaved.

01:35:41.000 I would say it's not even authoritarian versus libertarian.

01:35:43.000 It's more that authoritarians and libertarians are living together, and we have to figure out how to live together.

01:35:48.000 Those mindsets exist, and they will always exist.

01:35:50.000 It's two sides of a coin.

01:35:52.000 All right.

01:35:53.000 Chris Keeper says, Andrew, I'm a software engineer.

01:35:56.000 Are you hiring?

01:35:57.000 Do you accept free labor?

01:35:58.000 How can I help?

01:35:58.000 I love what you are doing.

01:36:00.000 Tim, keep up the fantastic work.

01:36:01.000 Thanks.

01:36:02.000 Uh, we're not hiring at the moment.

01:36:03.000 We just hired a bunch of people, but I'm sure we'll be hiring later this year.

01:36:06.000 So reach out to me on Gab.

01:36:07.000 Can people work on the source code from the distance?

01:36:10.000 Uh, they can, but we don't make that easy right now just because it complicates and distracts our processes.

01:36:16.000 So, um, we don't really do that too much, but, um, it is possible.

01:36:21.000 I mean, they could download the source and play around with it.

01:36:22.000 Sure.

01:36:24.000 All right.

01:36:25.000 Micah says, have you read the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman?

01:36:28.000 It details modern American imperialism through issuance of loans, written by John Perkins.

01:36:34.000 Amazing book.

01:36:35.000 I read that book in high school and it totally gave me perspective how the intelligence agencies work behind the scenes for the greater benefit of the corporations that truly do run things behind the scenes.

01:36:47.000 Dingus asks a question about adult content.

01:36:49.000 I do feel like we answered it, but maybe we'll just go through it just to honor the question.

01:36:53.000 He says, My question for Mr. Torba.

01:36:55.000 Why does he have the same position on porn as the Australian government?

01:36:58.000 Porn in Australia is illegal and must be viewed on international servers.

01:37:01.000 If it doesn't qualify as expression, can or should it be banned by governments?

01:37:06.000 So, I don't think you'll ever be able to fully ban porn, but I believe that we should have some sort of check and balance to prevent 10-year-old kids from accessing this stuff.

01:37:15.000 I don't think that's unreasonable.

01:37:17.000 I agree.

01:37:17.000 10-year-old kids can't walk into a porn shop in real life, but they can open up their device.

01:37:21.000 And, you know, a lot of people say, well, push it off to the parents.

01:37:24.000 It's the parents' fault.

01:37:25.000 They should be doing better parenting.

01:37:26.000 I mean, most of the time those people aren't parents, right?

01:37:28.000 And they don't understand the reality of parenting.

01:37:30.000 The reality of parenting is that every single one of your kids' friends has these on them 24-7 and can instantly, in a click, get access to this stuff.

01:37:36.000 And I don't think that's okay.

01:37:38.000 And it destroys their minds.

01:37:39.000 It does.

01:37:39.000 And it destroys their future and destroys their potential to have relationships.

01:37:42.000 And their soul.

01:37:43.000 Correct.

01:37:43.000 And it's absolutely one of the most destructive things out there in society.

01:37:46.000 But it's only, it's the bad porn.

01:37:48.000 No, no, no, no.

01:37:49.000 I'm serious. 0.78

01:37:50.000 It's the bad sex. 0.98

01:37:51.000 Porn, all sex is not dangerous pornography. 0.96

01:37:54.000 Let's not get into all that stuff. 0.90

01:37:55.000 We'll go down a rabbit hole with that.

01:37:56.000 And kids need sex ed. 1.00

01:37:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:37:58.000 Okay, okay.

01:37:59.000 You want to get not family-friendly?

01:38:00.000 We try to keep it family-friendly.

01:38:02.000 Yeah.

01:38:02.000 So that's why I like to say adult content, but I don't want you getting into details.

01:38:06.000 And then I'm a hairy beast.

01:38:06.000 Okay, thanks.

01:38:07.000 I'm the wild animal.

01:38:08.000 I'm looking at a gorilla.

01:38:09.000 But policy-wise, instead of getting into details on what kids should be watching, specifically in terms of what that is, I'm all about people's right to watch and do other stuff, but we have regulations.

01:38:22.000 I'm not an anarchist.

01:38:24.000 I lean very libertarian.

01:38:26.000 But when it comes to kids, I get a little more like, hey, come on, let's have some rules.

01:38:29.000 If you want to buy booze or something, we don't sell those to kids.

01:38:32.000 You don't sell drugs to kids.

01:38:34.000 Adult content shouldn't be available to kids.

01:38:36.000 It feels like the whole sending your kids off to learn is a new thing.

01:38:41.000 Like the 150 years old, you send them to public school and then they come back and they're an adult. 0.86

01:38:45.000 It was the parents' job to teach the kid for millennia.

01:38:49.000 And we're seeing a transition back to that now.

01:38:51.000 Yeah, homeschooling is big time on the rise.

01:38:53.000 And for good reason.

01:38:54.000 Yes.

01:38:55.000 Alright, we got Elliot Harris says, you should have Matt Walsh and Vosh on.

01:38:58.000 They reacted to each other's videos and Vosh said Matt would be interesting to talk to.

01:39:02.000 Yeah, I would love to host that.

01:39:04.000 One of the challenges is that Vosh is one of the only people on the left willing to come on and have debates.

01:39:08.000 And so we've had him on, how many times?

01:39:10.000 Twice, right?

01:39:11.000 Once, and then he was on with debating Charlie Kerr.

01:39:14.000 And so whenever we have someone who's interested, you know, we've reached out to many people on the left and they're always like, no, no, no.

01:39:21.000 One person said yes, but then canceled on us.

01:39:23.000 What about Jimmy Dore and Matt Walsh?

01:39:25.000 Do they know each other?

01:39:26.000 I don't know.

01:39:26.000 They probably agree on a lot.

01:39:30.000 Disagree on a lot of policy stuff.

01:39:32.000 But the challenge for a lot of people is if they do their own show already, asking them to not do their show to come here is a lot.

01:39:40.000 Plus, you know, Jimmy's on the West Coast, I believe.

01:39:43.000 But I would love to have Jimmy on.

01:39:44.000 I'm a big fan.

01:39:45.000 Jimmy's fantastic.

01:39:46.000 He's what an actual populist on the left looks like and talks about.

01:39:50.000 And then when you watch his show, it's funny, they call him right-wing and they smear him, and it's like, maybe people who don't like authoritarianism, whether they're right or left, agree with each other, and you're the bad guys.

01:39:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:40:01.000 So it's like, Jimmy can have policies on healthcare I don't agree with, but we all completely agree on the authoritarians as being awful and bad.

01:40:06.000 Left-right libertarians have a lot in common.

01:40:08.000 Liberty.

01:40:09.000 Real ones, at least, which are few and far between.

01:40:11.000 The left libertarian is hard to find, man.

01:40:14.000 All right, let's grab some more.

01:40:16.000 Let's see.

01:40:16.000 Terry Hendrick says, if TruthSocial is federated with the rest of the Fediverse, then will Gab also enable federation again?

01:40:23.000 By the way, everyone should run their own Fediverse server.

01:40:27.000 I don't think that TruthSocial will federate for the same reason that we had to turn it off, is because it does not scale, at least in its current implementation.

01:40:34.000 I'd be very surprised if they did that.

01:40:36.000 If they did, I mean, it would be very interesting if we can figure out a way to make Federation work at scale, but just from a technical standpoint, we are the only ones on the planet who have dealt with it at this level of scale.

01:40:46.000 It just doesn't scale.

01:40:48.000 This is interesting.

01:40:50.000 White Student Transmission says, has Gab considered chartering a credit union?

01:40:55.000 So we have looked into things like buying a bank and things like that, but what it does is it opens you up to more government regulatory issues and agencies, you know, staring down your back, right?

01:41:08.000 So I'd rather partner with the bank than buy one at this point.

01:41:11.000 But a credit union is a very interesting idea.

01:41:13.000 I think we have a lot of gabbers who have brought this up and it's certainly interesting, it's just not on our road map right now.

01:41:18.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:41:19.000 says, Tim, you may have just killed Getter.

01:41:21.000 How does it feel?

01:41:23.000 Uh, not good, to be completely honest.

01:41:24.000 I might not agree with, you know, the positions taken by their CEO.

01:41:28.000 I may have, you know, called out things I thought were bad.

01:41:32.000 But I look at it like this.

01:41:33.000 If, on the scale of free speech, it's negative 10 and positive 10.

01:41:37.000 Positive 10 is free speech.

01:41:38.000 Well, Gab is clearly at 9 or 10.

01:41:40.000 Then you have Twitter, which is like negative 7.

01:41:44.000 They allow you to say a lot of things, but they control most of what you say.

01:41:47.000 Actually, maybe negative seven's a little harsh.

01:41:49.000 Twitter does allow you to say a lot of things, but they still will ban you.

01:41:52.000 So they're definitely in the negative category, where they're controlling your speech.

01:41:55.000 You're not in the free speech area.

01:41:57.000 Getter is like, what, negative one or zero?

01:42:00.000 They're still in that space, but it's better than Twitter.

01:42:03.000 And so my view is, if we've gained even two points on the scale from Getter, that's a good thing.

01:42:10.000 You want to solidify that position, and then in the coming months, move again, one step at a time.

01:42:15.000 You're never going to convince an entire system, an economy or the internet, to jump from negative seven to free speech completely.

01:42:23.000 It's just too big a leap to make that societal change.

01:42:27.000 So taking any victory you can would be a good thing.

01:42:30.000 If Getter is saying we're going to allow people to speak the same as they could on Twitter, but we won't editorialize, I'm like, better than Twitter.

01:42:36.000 Would we be better off using Gab?

01:42:38.000 Aren't they editorializing by, you know, banning people like Fuentes?

01:42:41.000 For sure.

01:42:41.000 I'm just saying if they're one point better, then everyone should go to Getter.

01:42:45.000 It's better than Twitter.

01:42:47.000 In reality, everybody should probably go to Gab.

01:42:49.000 If you can, can you guys handle that, you know, 300 million?

01:42:51.000 Bring it on.

01:42:52.000 So I actually, you know, It doesn't feel good.

01:42:56.000 A lot of people are saying, like, oh, you know, look, Getter was made to look bad, and it's like, someone commented saying, don't confuse perfect with good.

01:43:04.000 You know, what Getter is doing is better than Twitter, and we should be happy with that victory, and keep striving to push further and move on.

01:43:11.000 But it's still built on the infrastructure, so it doesn't change the premise.

01:43:14.000 If people are trying to escape big tech, big tech tyranny, and they're going to a platform that is hosted by big tech and dependent on big tech infrastructure and dependent on big tech app stores and have a terms of service that is exactly like big tech, then what's the difference?

01:43:26.000 And to be honest, you know, the big question was, Why not just use Gab?

01:43:31.000 Right.

01:43:32.000 Or Mines, for that matter, to be honest.

01:43:33.000 Because Mines autoposts all my stuff.

01:43:36.000 Like, when I tweet, Mines picks it up instantly.

01:43:38.000 And so it's just like, I have my presence there the same.

01:43:40.000 It makes it a lot easier.

01:43:41.000 A lot easier for me.

01:43:43.000 I can get up to about five social networks.

01:43:45.000 But more than that, I start to get like, oh, what am I even going to post?

01:43:48.000 Because I don't like posting the same thing on different networks.

01:43:50.000 I try to be unique on each network.

01:43:52.000 Mines is my crazy, you know.

01:43:54.000 Man, I feel bad because a lot of people are ragging on Getter, you know?

01:43:58.000 You brought up, why did they ban Nick?

01:44:00.000 It was a genuine conversation.

01:44:02.000 I think it had to happen.

01:44:03.000 And all you did, if anything, was shine a flashlight on something.

01:44:07.000 So I don't feel guilty about it.

01:44:10.000 The code's private.

01:44:11.000 They can be doing all sorts of stuff to you and you don't know.

01:44:14.000 Someone super chatted that they were shocked at how unprepared Getter was for the sit-down.

01:44:21.000 And I don't know if you agree, Luke, what your thoughts are.

01:44:24.000 Well, we were getting into it, you know, before the show started and I kind of asked them, you know, let's talk about Nick.

01:44:31.000 And we were like, this is an important conversation.

01:44:34.000 Let's save it for the show.

01:44:35.000 And I thought it was an important conversation.

01:44:38.000 And I think we need to have more of these conversations.

01:44:41.000 And it's the only way to bring forward the true reality of the situation.

01:44:45.000 It's tough for a CEO to speak for a company if they're not the founder and creator of the company.

01:44:49.000 He got hired by the company to do the job.

01:44:51.000 So he wasn't there since the beginning.

01:44:53.000 He wasn't the guy that decided on the mission statement of what the company is going to be.

01:44:57.000 So you can represent Gab a lot easier because you created the thing.

01:45:00.000 Right, absolutely.

01:45:01.000 Same with Bill with Mines, and Jack with Twitter.

01:45:05.000 Here's one from Seve Rose.

01:45:09.000 They say, That's a lie, Torba.

01:45:10.000 Gab has never been larger than the Fediverse. 0.82

01:45:13.000 Yes, it is.

01:45:14.000 Absolutely.

01:45:15.000 In terms of posts, in terms of number of users, absolutely.

01:45:18.000 By orders of magnitude.

01:45:19.000 But what does it mean by the Fediverse?

01:45:20.000 Because I guess technically if you're in the Fediverse, the Fediverse would always by default be bigger than one node.

01:45:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:25.000 Do they mean Mastodon?

01:45:27.000 I guess, yeah.

01:45:27.000 The Mastodon nodes, yeah.

01:45:29.000 If you take all the users across all of the different Mastodon nodes... So you were the biggest?

01:45:32.000 We were the biggest, yeah.

01:45:33.000 So we were bigger than all of them combined.

01:45:35.000 And then you ended up getting spamming, I guess?

01:45:39.000 So a lot of people are saying, you know, we're at the point now where they're saying porn is not protected and things like that.

01:45:46.000 Green Country says, I'm not offended by nudity or sex, but there are some bodies that I would rather not see unclothed, if you know what I mean.

01:45:52.000 Well, that's one way to point it out.

01:45:55.000 Mine's position is, what, just a filter, right?

01:45:57.000 It filters it out.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, if you don't mark it as explicit when you put it up and you keep violating that Ethic code of you upholding your end of the bargain by making an account you keep posting stuff.

01:46:07.000 That's lewd You're gonna get your entire account marked lewd so that whenever someone's goes to your page It's gonna have a big e over it and it'll be grayed out They're gonna have to opt in to be able to see anything on your page from I think I think I talked with you got with you guys about that once that it was like there is The free and open space outside the walls of the city and you can choose to operate in the city walls But you got to abide by the city city's rules And if you don't want to you're free to go outside those walls and say whatever you live in the wilderness It's a tough debate, you know, whether it's art or self-expression, but I think it's definitely been weaponized in extremely egregious ways.

01:46:41.000 But I think at the end of the day, it has to be how kids are being raised.

01:46:47.000 And I think it's the parents' duties to inform the kids that this is extremely dangerous and it will ruin their lives.

01:46:52.000 But man, imagine a four-year-old seeing something like crazy.

01:46:55.000 That's just so mind-warping.

01:46:57.000 It's a difficult conversation to have, and it's hard, you know, because how do you balance freedoms and expression and the destruction of the youth?

01:47:08.000 Alright, going back to the UK stuff, Brian Knowles says, Boris Johnson had photos leaked of private parties.

01:47:14.000 Almost every night for weeks during the lockdowns, everyone started calling for his resignation.

01:47:18.000 Months ago, Lotus Eaters predicted he'd lift mandates to save his position.

01:47:22.000 Wow.

01:47:23.000 Yeah? 1.00

01:47:23.000 That's pathetic. 1.00

01:47:24.000 The conservatives in the UK were the ones calling for lockdowns and enforcing them. 0.99

01:47:27.000 Yeah.

01:47:28.000 Sad.

01:47:29.000 Yeah, you can't trust them, can you?

01:47:31.000 Nope.

01:47:33.000 All right, let's see what we got here.

01:47:35.000 Mr. The Cool says, hello Tim and Cruz.

01:47:38.000 It is very cold down here in South Texas for some reason.

01:47:41.000 Results, Texans weren't built for this type of weather.

01:47:44.000 I guess the government trying to get back at us for going red are implying that they're controlling the weather.

01:47:50.000 China does that, openly, admittedly.

01:47:52.000 They brag about it.

01:47:53.000 Yeah, they've been doing... We've been doing, what, silver... What do they do?

01:47:56.000 They do silver iodide or something in the sky.

01:47:58.000 Yeah, silver iodide causes light to refract, I think, and causes the temperature to cool down.

01:48:02.000 That's the impetus of the idea of it.

01:48:04.000 And then it condenses.

01:48:05.000 Yeah, I haven't looked too deep into it.

01:48:06.000 Bill Gates had a project where he wanted to seed the clouds to block the sun.

01:48:11.000 It's not a horrible idea, it's just unknown consequences.

01:48:14.000 It's a horrible idea.

01:48:15.000 Mark Jensen says, Ian, can you please say blob again?

01:48:18.000 Blob! 0.98

01:48:19.000 Blob, I think I know what you mean.

01:48:23.000 Alien J says, James O'Keefe says Amazon cancelled pre-orders of his book.

01:48:26.000 Just joined Gab, love all you guys.

01:48:28.000 Thanks for the open conversation.

01:48:29.000 And someone else said that his book has been indefinitely delayed on Audible.

01:48:33.000 That's crazy.

01:48:35.000 2022 is gonna be nuts.

01:48:37.000 It already is nuts for us.

01:48:38.000 This month has been wacky, to say the least.

01:48:40.000 I just came across numbers that Fediverse has about 4 million users.

01:48:44.000 Is that right?

01:48:44.000 This is from August.

01:48:45.000 Last August.

01:48:46.000 I was trying to do the math on if it's bigger than... Does that include Gab, though?

01:48:48.000 Oh, it probably included Gab.

01:48:50.000 Yeah, it may.

01:48:51.000 It may have.

01:48:51.000 I'm not sure if they're still including us in those, because we actually got banned from a lot of those things, too.

01:48:56.000 How many users do you guys have?

01:48:58.000 Almost 6 million I think now.

01:49:01.000 You don't need an account to log in.

01:49:03.000 So we actually have 20 million uniques that are just using the site as their new source and exploring and all that stuff.

01:49:09.000 So you could have an account to follow people but not...

01:49:11.000 Yeah, to follow, or to comment, or to post.

01:49:13.000 But most, you know, the vast majority of our traffic is just passively, you know, consuming the content, or following different profiles, or viewing different profiles, or viewing different links, or just coming to the homepage and seeing the content.

01:49:24.000 They use it as their news source, really.

01:49:27.000 And you don't need an account to explore the entire site.

01:49:31.000 Wyatt says, Jimmy Dore will be in Pennsylvania in February, I believe.

01:49:35.000 Maybe we should look at Jimmy's schedule and see if we can have him come on.

01:49:37.000 Yeah, we should find out, yeah.

01:49:38.000 Jimmy's great.

01:49:39.000 I went on his show and I didn't know what to expect.

01:49:41.000 And this was years ago.

01:49:42.000 And I knew he was kind of on the left.

01:49:43.000 And then we ended up just having a good conversation about everything.

01:49:46.000 Because I think he's an honest guy.

01:49:49.000 And that's all that matters.

01:49:49.000 We can disagree on politics and we can disagree and then shake hands.

01:49:52.000 But if we're honest about everything that's going on, it goes great.

01:49:54.000 I always reference my conversation with Glenn Beck.

01:49:57.000 We were discussing pro-life versus pro-choice.

01:49:59.000 And we both had a really great conversation.

01:50:01.000 We laughed.

01:50:02.000 We shook hands.

01:50:02.000 And he's like, that was fantastic.

01:50:04.000 And I was like, yeah, you know, we're trying, right?

01:50:05.000 And he's like, yeah, this is great.

01:50:07.000 And people really appreciated the honest attempt at understanding each other.

01:50:11.000 Most of what you get now is tribalism, where it's like I was mentioning that, you know, when I said about Carhartt, if you don't wanna get vaccinated, quit.

01:50:18.000 The left got mad at me for that?

01:50:19.000 Yeah, they're gonna get mad at you for anything you say.

01:50:20.000 Right, exactly, because it makes no sense.

01:50:22.000 I'm like, I thought they would agree with that.

01:50:24.000 And then there's people that are gonna love you for anything you say, too, so you gotta watch out for all of it.

01:50:27.000 That's right.

01:50:28.000 And that's why you gotta ignore the comments.

01:50:31.000 To a certain degree.

01:50:31.000 Don't take it personally.

01:50:32.000 Acknowledge them, understand them, and take nothing personal.

01:50:36.000 All right.

01:50:37.000 A lot of people mentioning Jimmy Dore.

01:50:39.000 That'd be fantastic.

01:50:40.000 We'll take a look.

01:50:41.000 Chris Stark says, Lizard King boards all the way.

01:50:43.000 I used to skate until I fractured my L1, L6 vertebrae and pelvis in 27 places.

01:50:48.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:50:49.000 What'd you do?

01:50:49.000 Try to ollie like a 25?

01:50:52.000 Going after the leap of faith?

01:50:54.000 You know, there's always the Death Wish boards from Neen Williams.

01:50:59.000 He usually has a good sight.

01:51:00.000 He's the master of heel flips.

01:51:02.000 Dude, Neen makes some great spices.

01:51:05.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

01:51:05.000 Neen.

01:51:06.000 He either sent them to us or you bought a bunch.

01:51:08.000 No, I bought a bunch.

01:51:08.000 Back in the day.

01:51:09.000 Yeah, those are great.

01:51:09.000 Yeah, we gotta order more of that stuff.

01:51:11.000 The not-a-damn-chance spices.

01:51:12.000 So hot.

01:51:13.000 Some of them are so hot.

01:51:14.000 We might still have them, though.

01:51:15.000 I don't know.

01:51:15.000 Like, you mean spicy?

01:51:16.000 Yeah, yeah, hot spicy.

01:51:17.000 No, no, no, I don't think so.

01:51:18.000 Okay.

01:51:19.000 No, it was like lemon herb and there was like... Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:51:21.000 Yeah, that was good stuff.

01:51:24.000 I've known the guy... I wouldn't really say we're friends or anything, but I know him from back in Chicago and he went pro and he's like a really famous guy and I saw his Instagram because he's like one of the most famous pro skaters and he sells these spices, so we bought them.

01:51:35.000 Super... they're really good stuff.

01:51:37.000 The chicken one is what we... we annihilated those, the spicy chicken.

01:51:40.000 Oh, yeah, so good.

01:51:41.000 We put it on everything.

01:51:42.000 I put it on grilled cheese.

01:51:43.000 Oh yeah!

01:51:44.000 I gotta order some of that stuff.

01:51:46.000 Cause they're probably in a box downstairs somewhere to be honest.

01:51:50.000 Alright, Colin Pittman says, Yeah, but didn't he predict that in like 2008?

01:51:53.000 Do you guys remember that stuff?

01:51:54.000 I've heard of this guy.

01:51:55.000 This is the time traveler?

01:51:57.000 Yeah.

01:51:57.000 I thought he predicted that would all happen in like 2008.

01:51:59.000 rural country versus the cities, oddly similar to today.

01:52:02.000 Yeah, but didn't he predict that in like 2008?

01:52:04.000 Do you guys remember that stuff?

01:52:06.000 I've heard of this guy.

01:52:07.000 This is the time traveler.

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:08.000 I thought he predicted that would all happen in like 2008.

01:52:11.000 I don't remember the date.

01:52:12.000 But then, you know, conveniently said, my interfering with the timeline could change things

01:52:16.000 or something like that.

01:52:17.000 Calamitous events of 2004 is when he thought it was going to happen.

01:52:20.000 And he made that claim in 2000, 2001.

01:52:22.000 He said it was from 2036.

01:52:24.000 Well, it didn't.

01:52:26.000 So maybe someone went back in time and stopped it from happening or whatever.

01:52:31.000 Robert asks, does Gab have its own email service?

01:52:34.000 No, but we have been asked about that a lot.

01:52:37.000 We did have to build our own email system.

01:52:40.000 So we got banned from Mailgun and all those services that you can send mass emails.

01:52:45.000 We had to stop everything that we were doing for about three months and build our own email system just to be able to send people password resets, confirmations, all that type of stuff, just basic transactional emails.

01:52:55.000 We had to build our own.

01:52:56.000 Dude, that's so dangerous.

01:52:57.000 You'd think they could do that to any human at any time.

01:53:00.000 People need to understand that auto-response emails are not a simple thing.

01:53:05.000 So when we launched our website, I didn't realize how quickly it would grow, and it grew so incredibly rapidly, I was surprised.

01:53:12.000 So I love all of you guys, it's amazing.

01:53:14.000 And then all of a sudden we had to deal with confirmation emails, account emails, and then all of a sudden we're dealing with like 30,000 emails in only a couple days, and our system locks, and then we're like, we don't know what's going on.

01:53:25.000 We didn't realize we were gonna get hit by that much, and then people are complaining and canceling, and I'm just like, I have no idea what's happening.

01:53:33.000 As we're building our open network, I'm building the website and I'm like, I can't put a phone number on there.

01:53:38.000 I can't put an email address.

01:53:39.000 I mean, maybe I can't even put an email address on there in good conscience because it's going to get annihilated with content.

01:53:45.000 But I understand now how you contact Facebook.

01:53:47.000 They don't want you to be able to contact them because they've got a hundred million Hits or whatever.

01:53:50.000 So how do you guys do?

01:53:51.000 Oh man, God bless our support team.

01:53:53.000 That's all I have to say.

01:53:55.000 You know, we have a great support team.

01:53:57.000 They help people on the site.

01:53:59.000 People can reach out to the email.

01:53:59.000 We have an email.

01:54:01.000 We try to get back to as many people as we can, but you know, we're human beings here.

01:54:05.000 I mean, Gab is a family run business.

01:54:06.000 A lot of the people that are running the support emails and stuff, it's like my brothers, my dad works for the company.

01:54:12.000 I mean, it really is a family run business.

01:54:14.000 You know, we don't have the top professionals in the world, but I have people that I trust.

01:54:18.000 That is the most important thing.

01:54:19.000 That's one of the hardest challenges that we have, is hiring, because it's like, who do you trust?

01:54:23.000 And I trust my family, more than anybody else on this planet.

01:54:26.000 So when I say Gab is a family-run business, I mean it.

01:54:29.000 My whole family works for Gab.

01:54:31.000 This is a good question here from, let's see, what is this? 0.99

01:54:33.000 Comic Nut, he says, this is probably either a stupid question or a brilliant one. 0.98

01:54:37.000 I think it's brilliant. 0.99

01:54:38.000 If Facebook is experimenting on people without their knowledge, doesn't that violate the Nuremberg Code?

01:54:45.000 Let's read the Nuremberg Code.

01:54:47.000 Well, I think that only applies to governments, but it is interesting that we've now, what, allowed Facebook to bypass human rights protections?

01:54:56.000 Because the Nuremberg Code says that if there's going to be an experiment, people have to be informed and consent to be involved.

01:55:01.000 Yeah, Nuremberg Code's a set of research ethics principles for human experimentation.

01:55:05.000 I think that's a good... What's the first provision or whatever?

01:55:09.000 Yeah, read that one.

01:55:11.000 10 points of the Nuremberg Code.

01:55:12.000 First one's the voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

01:55:17.000 Wow.

01:55:17.000 What's the penalty for violating it?

01:55:19.000 I don't know.

01:55:20.000 The penalty for violating the Nuremberg Code?

01:55:21.000 Is there one?

01:55:22.000 I don't know.

01:55:22.000 Does it apply to governments only or to companies too?

01:55:25.000 At this point, I think corporations are functioning as governments and maybe should be held accordingly.

01:55:30.000 Penalty to Nuremberg Code.

01:55:33.000 All right.

01:55:35.000 A Real Nick says, what is Gab's five-year plan?

01:55:41.000 Save free speech on the internet.

01:55:42.000 It's that simple.

01:55:43.000 Well, you know, what we're doing now is we're working on, you know, what I'm calling the parallel economy.

01:55:47.000 This is something I've been talking about for about a year now and building the tools to empower that parallel economy.

01:55:52.000 So we have GabPay, which is our PayPal alternative.

01:55:55.000 We have GabMarketplace, which is our Facebook marketplace, eBay, Etsy alternative.

01:56:00.000 So, what we're doing is we're empowering people to, you know, engage in commerce.

01:56:03.000 We've created and we've protected free speech.

01:56:06.000 We've enabled that.

01:56:07.000 And inevitably what we see happen is when you have an area where you have free speech, free markets tend to develop.

01:56:12.000 And we're seeing that happen organically and naturally on Gab right now.

01:56:15.000 And we want to be able to provide the tools for people to do that in a much better way, in an easier way.

01:56:20.000 So that's what we're working on now.

01:56:21.000 Parallel economy, man, I've warned about that years ago because it's a precursor to civil war.

01:56:26.000 Or fracturing or divorce.

01:56:28.000 Maybe that's what they want you to think.

01:56:30.000 No, but it is.

01:56:31.000 Parallel economies?

01:56:32.000 We've seen it around the world.

01:56:34.000 When you have two groups that isolate each other, and then they stop trading amongst each other, then they start fighting.

01:56:40.000 What if you have a hundred thousand parallel economies?

01:56:43.000 That's different.

01:56:43.000 It's two parallel economies that can see the heavy weight, but a thousand, a hundred thousand of them, maybe that's the problem.

01:56:49.000 As long as there's lines between different factions that are connecting them, then you don't get that conflict to break out.

01:56:55.000 I think it's impossible to create a totally isolated, I'm not going to do anything, you know, it's almost impossible.

01:57:01.000 The system is so interconnected, right?

01:57:04.000 You know, if you're going to start a business, you're inevitably going to do business with people who don't share your values.

01:57:08.000 It's just almost unavoidable.

01:57:09.000 What we can do is make a good faith effort to spend your money and spend your time, you know, with places and with people and with businesses that share your values.

01:57:16.000 I think that goes a long way.

01:57:18.000 I found a couple of people that were found guilty of violating the Nuremberg Code.

01:57:21.000 At the end of the Nuremberg trials, Karl Brandt, Adolf Hitler's personal physician, execution.

01:57:27.000 Rudolf Brandt, colonel in the SS, execution.

01:57:30.000 I imagine that the penalty for violating the Nuremberg Code was execution at that point.

01:57:34.000 But they were also Nazis. 0.72

01:57:36.000 Yikes.

01:57:37.000 All right, Steven Robertson says, Tim, the correct answer is go to your local skate shop.

01:57:40.000 Love the show, always asking the hard questions.

01:57:42.000 Check it out, Gab, now, right on.

01:57:44.000 Yeah, provide patronage to your local skate shops.

01:57:50.000 Avoid the mall shops if you can.

01:57:51.000 You know, I don't want to hate on the mall shops necessarily.

01:57:54.000 I appreciate anybody who's selling gear, but, you know, small businesses is where it's at.

01:57:58.000 Unless they have like, I'll tell you this, if I went to a local skate shop and they had a mask mandate, I'd go to the mall.

01:58:02.000 But the mall had a mask mandate.

01:58:04.000 It was really funny.

01:58:04.000 I went to Zoomies.

01:58:06.000 And I had a bubble tea and I had my mask on.

01:58:08.000 This was like last year.

01:58:10.000 And so I walk in and I take the mask off one ear and start sipping the drink and they go, hey, you gotta put your mask back on.

01:58:15.000 And I was like, I'm drinking bubble tea in the mall that I bought at the kiosk outside your store.

01:58:19.000 And they were like, doesn't matter.

01:58:20.000 You got to wear the mask.

01:58:21.000 They were like, stick the straw under your mask.

01:58:23.000 I was just like, how does that make sense?

01:58:26.000 And I was like, whatever, dude, I don't need to drink my bubble tea.

01:58:27.000 And I just walked, I was like, I don't need to shop here.

01:58:29.000 I just walked out of the store.

01:58:30.000 It's insane.

01:58:31.000 I got some, um, I was thinking about, uh, people making masks with straw holes in them.

01:58:35.000 If it ever got to that point, I don't think it will.

01:58:36.000 People did that.

01:58:37.000 They have zippers on them.

01:58:38.000 It's insane.

01:58:39.000 Hey, with the NERBRA code, it looks like it's talking about medical experimentation, that that's what this thing is.

01:58:43.000 Specifically?

01:58:43.000 Yeah.

01:58:44.000 No person should be forced to take a medical experiment without informed consent.

01:58:46.000 Although, is psychological experimentation medical experimentation?

01:58:49.000 I would say so.

01:58:50.000 It's my yeah, you're meant they were making people depressed. They were showing them negative stuff to try and

01:58:54.000 do it cause pain Like that's crazy, dude. At least that's what I read on the

01:58:59.000 internet. Yeah. Yeah, we know it's true They were like changing to the color of the page and stuff

01:59:02.000 to give them different Oh, no, they were they were putting they were having having

01:59:06.000 the feed send them negative content like police brutality and so that's

01:59:09.000 Look, I gotta be careful, you know fact-check that I don't know exactly what they were posting

01:59:15.000 But my understanding based on what I read was that could be wrong this Facebook. I know what you're talking about

01:59:19.000 I'm gonna look it up.

01:59:21.000 All right.

01:59:22.000 What is this one?

01:59:24.000 Roger says, Tim and Luke, I want a gorilla action figure that says random Luke-isms when you hit a button on his back.

01:59:29.000 I like that idea.

01:59:30.000 Or like a Luke action figure that it'll say something funny like exacerbate.

01:59:35.000 Yes.

01:59:36.000 When I was saying that in today's show, I knew exactly what you were doing.

01:59:40.000 I was like, I almost burst out laughing.

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02:00:17.000 Get on Gab.

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02:00:26.000 Right on.

02:00:26.000 Nice.

02:00:27.000 Andrew, you got me with that Ron Paul answer.

02:00:30.000 I signed up to Gab.

02:00:32.000 My account is the same one on Twitter and Instagram.

02:00:34.000 Luke, WeAreChange.

02:00:36.000 Luke, WeAreChange on Gab.

02:00:37.000 I'm gonna try out your platform.

02:00:39.000 I like all the answers that you gave us, so I appreciate your time.

02:00:42.000 I also have my own independent media organization called WeAreChange.

02:00:45.000 I released a really important video about what's happening in Russia today on YouTube.com forward slash WeAreChange.

02:00:52.000 Hope to see some of you guys there, and thank you for that conversation.

02:00:55.000 Thanks for having me.

02:00:55.000 That was great, man.

02:00:57.000 Okay, so I did confirm Facebook data scientists manipulated the news feed of almost 690,000 users showing them positive updates and negative ones unknown in 2012.

02:01:06.000 690,000 people.

02:01:06.000 That's a lot of people.

02:01:07.000 And this is not the only experiment they've done.

02:01:09.000 We can maybe go into this later.

02:01:11.000 There's a lot.

02:01:11.000 And this is what they admitted to.

02:01:12.000 Let's get into the member segment.

02:01:13.000 We'll talk about the evils of these companies.

02:01:15.000 Thank you guys so much for coming.

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02:01:17.000 Check you later.

02:01:18.000 And I am Sarah Patchlitz.

02:01:20.000 I'm gonna have to get on to Gab.

02:01:21.000 I usually use Mines as my alternative media platform.

02:01:23.000 I just realized I haven't logged into Facebook since before Christmas since I got my new phone.

02:01:27.000 So I'm strong on that one.

02:01:29.000 You guys may follow me on Twitter at Sarah Patchlitz.

02:01:33.000 And Gab when you get on.

02:01:34.000 Oh yeah.

02:01:34.000 We will see you all over at TimCast.com.

02:01:38.000 The show should be up around 11 or so p.m.

02:01:39.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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