Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - COUP Ousts James OKeefe At Project Veritas, WE GOT THE LETTER w-Tower Gang Reed & Jose

00:00:00.000 A couple of days ago, I was hearing some murmurs, I think it may have been a couple of days

00:00:20.000 ago, about Project Veritas, but nothing confirmed.

00:00:22.000 But now we do have confirmation that James O'Keefe has been placed on paid leave.

00:00:27.000 Several employees signed a letter complaining about his behavior.

00:00:32.000 Calling him a tyrant?

00:00:33.000 The strange thing about this letter is that they say that many of the signees never actually witnessed any abuse, nor experienced any of it, but decided to sign the letter anyway.

00:00:42.000 Turns out that one of the individuals involved, who may have been about to get fired, has pronouns in his bio, leading many people to believe that this is some kind of coup to remove James O'Keefe.

00:00:51.000 And now Project Veritas has put out a new video With a different host explaining what's going on with their story.

00:00:58.000 Yeah, and no one's buying it.

00:00:59.000 No one's heard from James, so of course this is a huge story.

00:01:03.000 And we gotta get into it.

00:01:05.000 We'll talk about that.

00:01:06.000 Plus we'll talk about what's going on with, well, we got Facebook reinstating Donald Trump.

00:01:11.000 We've got a bunch of different stories, but we're gonna get into it, ladies and gentlemen.

00:01:15.000 We're gonna talk about some strange censorship that's going on with a person who was recently on this show named Eliza Blue.

00:01:22.000 I don't know, the chat's gonna light up.

00:01:23.000 But for those of you who aren't familiar, this got to a point where, admittedly, within the past hour, I said, okay, okay, look, you guys, you know, the people who have been asking us, politely, I might add, to consider looking into this, we just saw several people, others, other individuals who have been in the show, who have had a series of YouTube videos taken down, and so, I will say, in honor of the polite requests, I think it's actually worth talking about.

00:01:46.000 And I also want to say, too, that Look, what's happened with Project Veritas had me actually very worried.

00:01:53.000 James O'Keefe, we haven't heard from, we know what's going on.

00:01:55.000 We've had the drama with The Daily Wire and Steven Crowder.

00:01:58.000 Obviously, there was drama involving me, which I just, I feel like all of this, it's getting a little out of hand.

00:02:03.000 It's getting a little crazy, especially considering this other story that we have.

00:02:06.000 Two Republicans in New Jersey were just killed in the past week.

00:02:10.000 Now, one was by a co-worker.

00:02:12.000 We're not entirely sure what the motive was.

00:02:13.000 Another individual was targeted, this woman, in her vehicle.

00:02:16.000 And that made me kind of take stock of everything and just say, okay, look, man, we've got to make sure that, at the very least, if we have differences, we're unified in what these problems really are, because it seems like this is really, really bad.

00:02:27.000 Considering Project Veritas recently did one of the biggest exposés of their existence with James O'Keefe, and then almost immediately after we see him get ousted in some kind of coup attempt, or I should say outright coup, and at least that's what I'm hearing from sources in New York media, seems like a coup at Project Veritas, Yeah, I think we've got to make sure, at the very least, I ask and that we focus.

00:02:50.000 So, I'm going to say this outright.

00:02:52.000 You know, for anybody who's upset with me, I apologize for being brash and crass.

00:02:56.000 I said I wasn't gonna, but I'm genuinely freaked out watching what's happening with Veritas, seeing the infighting between Crowder and Daily Wire, and then now this.

00:03:04.000 Kind of makes me feel that, look, I'm not perfect and y'all can still be mad at me, but I don't want to engage in any fighting that's going to cause us to actually lose this thing in the long run.

00:03:12.000 Because it's not a good thing.

00:03:14.000 You know, last night we had a great show with members of Congress.

00:03:16.000 We gotta keep this energy up.

00:03:17.000 And we gotta make sure that even if we disagree on certain things, we're focused in the same direction towards making things better and fighting for the values that we have.

00:03:26.000 So, you know, considering what we're seeing now with Chrissy Mayer as well, I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong about this one for sure, but I do have some grievances that I'm planning to address that I think some people should be aware about as it pertains to this story.

00:03:37.000 But we'll get into that.

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00:04:13.000 And I think, you know, I just want to make sure we can focus on that positive energy.

00:04:17.000 And, admittedly, look man, this Veritas stuff is really creepy because some people are suggesting that he's being ousted by some malicious external forces.

00:04:27.000 So we'll get into all that stuff.

00:04:28.000 Joining us today to talk about this and so much more is we got Reid and Jose from the Tower Gang!

00:04:32.000 How's it going, man?

00:04:33.000 It's going well.

00:04:34.000 Thanks for having me on, Tim.

00:04:35.000 Who are you?

00:04:36.000 Yeah, well, I'm Reid Coverdale.

00:04:37.000 I have my own show called The Naturalist Capitalist and basically talk about how the government ruins everything it touches.

00:04:44.000 Everybody's trying to fix small problems and they create bigger problems.

00:04:49.000 Once a month I do The Four Horsemen Show, wearing the shirt here with my friend Ryan Dawson and Eric Jackman, and we talk about conspiracy theories, foreign policy, Current events, and then the rest of the time I'm just talking about work-related stuff, how the government's destroyed the working industry, made it harder for working people.

00:05:06.000 I have foreign policy experts on, and lots of people you guys have had on, friends with Scott Horton and Dave Smith, and those guys have a lot of those people on.

00:05:15.000 And then I do social media for the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire, and we're constantly making headlines over there and stirring things up.

00:05:24.000 So yeah, that's me.

00:05:27.000 How about you, bro?

00:05:28.000 And I'm Jose Galisson.

00:05:29.000 I'm part of Tower Gang, which is an offensive comedy-ish podcast.

00:05:33.000 If you come in there and say I'm offended, just know we don't care and we'll probably laugh at you.

00:05:37.000 I also have the No Way Jose Show.

00:05:39.000 That's where I do my more serious content.

00:05:41.000 I cover libertarian theory, conspiracies, generally whatever just interests me.

00:05:45.000 It's kind of my outlet for that.

00:05:47.000 Probably the thing I'm best known for is my coverage of the OKC, the Oklahoma City Bombing thing.

00:05:52.000 That's why I have the shirt on.

00:05:53.000 Terence Heeky didn't kill himself.

00:05:54.000 That's what dragged me into it.

00:05:55.000 The character of Terence Heeky, he was an American hero.

00:05:58.000 He had a very incredulous death and ruled to suicide immediately.

00:06:03.000 And I think he's an American hero that needs to be remembered and I think there are people out there that need to be held to account for his death.

00:06:11.000 Right on.

00:06:12.000 We also got Philibonte back in the house.

00:06:13.000 What's up, everybody?

00:06:14.000 I am back from the left coast.

00:06:15.000 I am Philibonte, lead vocalist for All That Remains.

00:06:19.000 I don't know Jose or Reid, and I disavow everything they have to say.

00:06:24.000 The second part of that's true.

00:06:25.000 It's too late.

00:06:26.000 My friend Ian.

00:06:27.000 Hi, everyone.

00:06:28.000 Ian Croson coming at you.

00:06:29.000 I've got some good news on Bucko.

00:06:30.000 He came back from his vet Journey today, and he's gained a quarter pound in the last week.

00:06:36.000 Wow, that's a lot for a little fella. 1.00

00:06:37.000 It is a lot for a guy his size.

00:06:39.000 He is very promising.

00:06:40.000 Man, this stem cell technology.

00:06:42.000 Stem cells in state of mind.

00:06:44.000 It's been very calm, peaceful.

00:06:45.000 The prayers.

00:06:46.000 Yes, I tell him how good he is, how healthy he is, how I'm lucky to be with him, and he seems to enjoy it.

00:06:50.000 When I start doing push-ups, he gets up and starts moving around and eating big meats.

00:06:54.000 Bucko's doing well.

00:06:56.000 I think that's all I got to start off.

00:06:57.000 Jose, you and I did an episode of No Way, Jose.

00:06:59.000 Yeah, we sure did.

00:07:00.000 It was a while back.

00:07:01.000 I was poaching you for my Aronikus Handbook series, seeing if you were into Proton.

00:07:04.000 You weren't, but we still had a great episode.

00:07:05.000 Right, right.

00:07:06.000 I didn't know enough about the context of the data, but maybe we can get into it tonight if we do go that direction.

00:07:10.000 I don't know.

00:07:10.000 We'll find out.

00:07:10.000 And we also have this gorgeous human to my right.

00:07:14.000 Did you get a haircut?

00:07:15.000 Dupre.

00:07:16.000 Yeah, I was not going to say anything about it and kind of just not address it on the podcast, you know, but I did get a haircut.

00:07:22.000 Check out the Pop Culture Crisis from today if you want to see me get my haircut.

00:07:25.000 That was good.

00:07:26.000 Very handsome.

00:07:28.000 Thank you guys.

00:07:28.000 All right, let's jump to this first story.

00:07:30.000 This one, this story legit has me freaked out.

00:07:33.000 I was hearing some rumors and some murmurs.

00:07:36.000 From TimCast.com, James O'Keefe accused of erratic behavior by 16 Project Veritas employees.

00:07:42.000 James has become a power drunk tyrant, said one unnamed employee in a letter submitted to the organization's board.

00:07:48.000 Nobody's buying it.

00:07:50.000 I've got my sources, and I'm not buying it.

00:07:53.000 This is the letter that we were able to obtain through, let me just say, sources in New York media.

00:08:00.000 Apparently this had been circulating to a certain degree.

00:08:03.000 And I want you to know a few things.

00:08:04.000 One, this letter is signed by, I believe, what is it, 16 employees, accusing James O'Keefe of being a power-drunk tyrant, and he is exactly who he pontificates on who should be exposing.

00:08:17.000 Now, this letter includes very important bits of information and context which leads me to believe I think there are people trying to oust James O'Keefe not because of any of these perceived grievances.

00:08:29.000 I think they're trying to just remove him as an element of Project Veritas because, I mean, he's the guy.

00:08:35.000 He is Veritas.

00:08:37.000 I would put it this way.

00:08:38.000 If you're an organization with 65 employees and you generate millions plus in donor revenue, I imagine the board members are thinking like, hey, the one problem we have in terms of control of this money is James O'Keefe.

00:08:51.000 He's an ideological figurehead who believes in a mission and founded this.

00:08:55.000 This happens with big companies all the time.

00:08:58.000 It's like in Spider-Man.

00:08:58.000 Remember when Willem Dafoe is playing Harry Osborn and he's like, do you have any ideas?

00:09:03.000 how much time sacrificed and they're getting rid of them.

00:09:06.000 You get rid of James O'Keefe from this company, from this organization and you are free to use

00:09:10.000 that money however you see fit. The problem is I don't think anyone's going to support him. Now as we

00:09:15.000 mentioned they're saying that they were bullied, that he's a tyrant. Let me let me read for you the

00:09:20.000 top note because they certainly had to include this. It says the opinions, data shared and

00:09:26.000 anecdotes were compiled by one-third of the to the Project Veritas staff, representing every department,

00:09:31.000 Not all signed this letter, but all had compelling reason to contribute.

00:09:36.000 Some signatories have not been the subject of abuse, nor witnessed any abuse, but found the corroborated behavior troubling and were willing to sign.

00:09:45.000 You know what that means right there? 0.98

00:09:47.000 Sounds like a load of garbage to me. 0.96

00:09:50.000 Yeah, what did they sign exactly? 0.99

00:09:51.000 So imagine this.

00:09:53.000 You work at Project Veritas.

00:09:55.000 Someone walks up to you and says, we think James O'Keefe is bad and he's done these things.

00:09:59.000 Will you sign a letter?

00:10:00.000 And they say, sure.

00:10:02.000 Next thing you know, the board comes together.

00:10:04.000 There's a viral Twitter thread where one guy is saying, uh, reporting according to his sources, one of the board members who orchestrated this had a whole thing scripted in ousting James O'Keefe.

00:10:14.000 So I've reached out to James.

00:10:15.000 I've not heard from him, but, uh, admittedly, look, man, you know, when I saw this and a few other stories today, I was like, dude, I got questions, man.

00:10:23.000 It's getting crazy right now.

00:10:25.000 Okay, so first of all, if you sign your name to a paper that's making a statement, that's an indication that you are making the statement.

00:10:31.000 And if you didn't see the things that you're signing on to, that's fraud, or at least could be construed as fraud.

00:10:36.000 So don't sign something that you don't believe in.

00:10:38.000 I think that's what the disclaimer's for, though, isn't it?

00:10:41.000 To make sure that they, to say, look, I didn't see this, but there was a disclaimer saying that I didn't see this, but I think that James is a bad person.

00:10:49.000 It needs to be more fleshed out than just an introduction with some of these people.

00:10:53.000 It needs to be on the signatories.

00:10:54.000 You need to see who didn't see it, who is just following along and signing for the fun, because they feel like, okay, and who actually witnessed the things.

00:11:02.000 That needs to be very implicit, it should be.

00:11:05.000 Ian, what it is, is sign this if you don't like him, okay?

00:11:07.000 That's really what, isn't that the vibe that you pick up?

00:11:10.000 It's essentially, it's like people that have some kind of incentive to not work for James O'Keefe, whether it be people that want control of Project Veritas, like on the board or whatever, if he's inhibiting activities they want, you know, because he is ideological, which is the point of Project Veritas, like the whole point of it is he's ideological and they're looking to, you know, uncover bias and stuff.

00:11:35.000 So I think that it seems like it's all emotionally motivated with people that have some kind of benefit from James not running Project Veritas.

00:11:47.000 To play devil's advocate on the side of the people that are creating this letter, because I love James and his work, is that maybe in the last year stress has been getting to James.

00:11:55.000 I feel like I can empathize with what he's been going through the last year.

00:11:59.000 I saw him tweet out, like, I'm not suicidal, by the way.

00:12:01.000 Like, you don't tweet that out if you're not stressed out.

00:12:03.000 No, no, I don't buy it.

00:12:05.000 Look at this.

00:12:06.000 I don't believe this.

00:12:07.000 I literally don't believe it.

00:12:08.000 I've had people saying, like, Tim must be so stressed out, and it's like, dude, I'm, like, people make up stories about you, man.

00:12:14.000 Look at this.

00:12:15.000 Democracy Partners Trial in Public, I was yelled at in front of jurors because he was hungry, and then he took the eight-month pregnant woman sandwich.

00:12:22.000 Like, come on, man.

00:12:23.000 Like, am I supposed to believe that James O'Keefe, like, walked up to an eight-month pregnant woman and was like, I'm hungry and snatched it from her.

00:12:29.000 That sounds like something someone made up to make him sound bad.

00:12:32.000 Right, because if I take something from you, it could be because I went over and grabbed it out of your hand, or it could be because you offered it to me and then I took it.

00:12:40.000 Sorry, I really don't think that the person that's accusing James, I don't think they're saying that the child gave him the sandwich.

00:12:47.000 No, an eight-month pregnant woman.

00:12:49.000 Oh, okay.

00:12:50.000 So well, I still, I don't feel like she might have been like, can I have that?

00:12:54.000 And she's like, okay, maybe I'm wrong.

00:12:55.000 On your, on your, on your suicide point.

00:12:57.000 And I mean, I'd have to know the context, but I know it's a common thing.

00:12:59.000 Like literally just, I started out from the beginning with the Yiki thing about the suicide. 0.89

00:13:02.000 So I don't know the context in which he said it.

00:13:04.000 It could have been like a snarky remark with O'Keefe with the kind of things he covered.

00:13:08.000 He's obviously alluding like, Hey, if something happens to me, it wasn't me.

00:13:11.000 That's exactly, it was like a tweet.

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Like he just said in a tweet, like a couple of sentences, Elon's been doing some similar things.

00:13:17.000 I'm sure he's under immense amount of stress right now.

00:13:19.000 I've talked about how people claimed I went to their house in Boston and walked in their house at two in the morning and turned the TV on, and people tweet that kind of stuff and they believe it.

00:13:27.000 I look at this and I'm like, James walked up to a pregnant woman and stole her sandwich?

00:13:32.000 That's the thing.

00:13:33.000 Take is not steal.

00:13:34.000 He might have asked her and she said yes, but not been happy about it.

00:13:38.000 So consider this too.

00:13:39.000 It may be that they're greatly exaggerating these things.

00:13:42.000 Look, man, I kind of feel like I'll put it this way, I worked for non-profits.

00:13:48.000 Imagine you have an organization founded by somebody else, they're ideologically driven, we have a mission, this is what we're gonna do, and this is why we do it, and you're like, I want five million dollars in cash!

00:13:59.000 This organization's got 50 million bucks, but James won't let me pay myself!

00:14:03.000 We gotta get rid of James.

00:14:05.000 These are the kind of things that happen at big companies after a long period of time, they wanna get rid of the person in charge who's motivated by a mission.

00:14:14.000 There's a saying that a buddy of mine was an entrepreneur said, some people are good at starting companies and some people are good at running companies.

00:14:22.000 Some people are founders, some people are CEOs.

00:14:24.000 Somebody founds a company and then they hand it off to the CEO.

00:14:27.000 The CEOs are very different from the founders.

00:14:29.000 So my view of this, it's just my personal opinion and my bias.

00:14:33.000 I mean this sandwich thing really is there and then there's also something else I want to show you.

00:14:38.000 Let me first ask you guys this.

00:14:41.000 When you think of Project Veritas, who do you think of?

00:14:44.000 James O'Keefe.

00:14:45.000 James O'Keefe is Project Veritas.

00:14:45.000 Hands down.

00:14:47.000 That's not what they think.

00:14:49.000 Here's an image.

00:14:50.000 Look at this.

00:14:50.000 There is honestly no Project Veritas without us.

00:14:53.000 You know, look, partially true.

00:14:55.000 This is our moment to make history.

00:14:58.000 I hope James can realize we're doing this out of love for the mission.

00:15:01.000 Yeah, that's all created in their own head.

00:15:05.000 When they start saying that they're doing things out of love that are bad for a person, that's rationalizing doing something they know is immoral and bad.

00:15:15.000 So I think that Tim's right on.

00:15:18.000 I think that they're motivated by it.

00:15:19.000 I work pretty tough, love.

00:15:21.000 Oh no, ousting him like this abruptly?

00:15:24.000 I worked for several non-profits.

00:15:26.000 Not in this context.

00:15:27.000 And here's what happens.

00:15:28.000 Because these organizations don't function like the same kind of companies.

00:15:31.000 People who work here work for a mission.

00:15:33.000 Part of the reason you get paid less when you work at a non-profit is because you're doing something you want to do for a mission.

00:15:38.000 And so at every single non-profit office I worked, these are all events, fundraising, street canvassing, etc.

00:15:44.000 They had a policy, all of them, to fire every single person in the office the moment a person starts expressing demoralization.

00:15:52.000 I mean, like, morale.

00:15:54.000 And so the fear was, if somebody starts getting upset and feeling aggravated or aggrieved, they'll go to a person in another room and go, you know, what's going on, man?

00:16:04.000 And they'll be like, nothing, what are you doing?

00:16:05.000 I'm just, I'm so sick of this, man.

00:16:07.000 Like, James was talking to me and I'm just, I'm tired of it, man.

00:16:09.000 Like, you know what I'm talking about, right?

00:16:10.000 James has yelled at you.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, you know, I mean sometimes.

00:16:13.000 And then what happens is the negativity and the demoralization starts spreading from person to person where they get angrier and angrier.

00:16:19.000 Then they all start going to each other.

00:16:21.000 This has happened at every office I've worked.

00:16:24.000 My argument's always been you need to have a company-wide meeting.

00:16:28.000 You need to have a pizza party.

00:16:30.000 You need to make people feel good.

00:16:31.000 You can't just fire everybody.

00:16:32.000 But this is what they do.

00:16:33.000 They churn and burn.

00:16:35.000 They just burn through people.

00:16:37.000 I'm wondering if a component of this is somebody who wants James O'Keefe ousted from the organization, wants control of the assets and resources, is going around telling people like, yeah, like, that time he yelled at you, remember?

00:16:49.000 And they're like, oh, yeah, and they took that woman's sandwich.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, yeah, he did do that.

00:16:54.000 And then a week later, they're like, remember when you told me, you told me that he yelled at you and took that woman's sandwich?

00:16:59.000 Yeah, we wrote that down, signed the paper, and they go, oh, okay.

00:17:02.000 The thing is, once you make accusations against people too, regardless of what the truth is and regardless of how easy it is to disprove it, they'll run with that narrative.

00:17:10.000 So in New Hampshire, for example, there was this senator race going on.

00:17:14.000 There was Don Baldick against Maggie Hassan and Joah from Breaking the Flaw,

00:17:19.000 who's a co-host on Free Talk Live with me.

00:17:22.000 He was at this protest and he was definitely, you know, being annoying and getting in people's faces, but he never

00:17:28.000 touched anybody, never laid a hand on anyone.

00:17:31.000 And Don Baldick basically just lied and said that he attacked him and hit him.

00:17:36.000 And, um, you know, there was video footage of everything that was going on and

00:17:41.000 we released it from the Libertarian Party in New Hampshire showing that they

00:17:44.000 never touch each other at all or anything, but it just ran with it.

00:17:47.000 And then the Democrats were picking it up too, even though they could use this as an attack against Baldick,

00:17:51.000 they knew that it, It would have been very easy to say, like, look, this guy isn't telling the truth, but just because a narrative was put out there, it's impossible to disprove it, even if you have all the video footage and everything.

00:18:01.000 Well, that's because there's a motivated block of people that are motivated to believe it, or at least to spread it, even if they don't actually believe it.

00:18:12.000 Pile on culture.

00:18:12.000 Yeah.

00:18:13.000 Which is like, it's a tough justification to not utilize false accusations against your enemy.

00:18:19.000 Because it's like, they're your enemy and you need to win, if it's the combat state of mind conflict, anything to get the job done in those situations.

00:18:26.000 But when like the culture, when you're having communication, it's like, I mean, I know that desire, like, I want this so bad that I'm willing to accept falsehoods to get it.

00:18:33.000 It's just not the right ethics.

00:18:35.000 I think that's sloppy tactics, though.

00:18:36.000 I think that the move, if you're smart, you sit back, you evaluate the battlefield, you wait, You find something accurate, something that will literally

00:18:42.000 pierce the enemy's heart, if you will, and that's what you go for.

00:18:44.000 Like, I mean, obviously, maybe you can make disinformation overwork you sometimes, but I think in the long run it's a

00:18:50.000 failing strategy.

00:18:50.000 Sometimes it's just a really long run.

00:18:53.000 You wish it would go faster.

00:18:55.000 I'm not so confident that it actually is a failing strategy.

00:18:58.000 I mean, all's fair in love and war is a phrase for a reason. 1.00

00:19:03.000 Underhanded tactics frequently work, even if they're underhanded.

00:19:08.000 And I think that you see that in modern politics pretty clearly.

00:19:13.000 I mean, it's not rare for a politician to lie about their opponent or to exaggerate or to pick up a Republican that attacks a Republican.

00:19:23.000 It's not unusual for a Democrat to pick up the attack if the person is leading, you know.

00:19:28.000 So I really do think that the all's fair in love and war thing is predominant in this particular issue.

00:19:35.000 But how do people feel about the government right now?

00:19:37.000 How do they feel about Congress?

00:19:38.000 You know, I mean, that's my long, it might be, it's a, it's a kind of a, how much your time preference, how long are you willing to look out in the future?

00:19:43.000 So here we are now, we're like, the Congress is like, it's like lowest level ever.

00:19:47.000 But everyone hates Congress for different reasons.

00:19:49.000 You ask, you ask most people and they are happy with their own Congress people.

00:19:53.000 The people they don't like are the Congress people that get in the way of the policies that their Congress person is looking to, you know, looking to push forward.

00:20:01.000 After last night we did a show at Congress in Lauren Boebert's office, I gained a new love for those people and that building and the Congress itself, it felt very inviting.

00:20:11.000 A lot of people really want to do good and they have different tactics.

00:20:14.000 It was real inviting one day.

00:20:15.000 I'm trying really hard not to make a January 6th joke, Bill.

00:20:18.000 It was shocking how at home I felt there, how good it felt.

00:20:22.000 The people are at this level of what we talk about on the show.

00:20:26.000 All of them are at this, I think.

00:20:27.000 Then I guess there's a lot of probably older Congress people that aren't fired up, and those people are just paying the bill to get by.

00:20:34.000 I'm not as interested in that mentality, but the young people that want to provoke change and stop crazy change, I'm all on board with that.

00:20:42.000 So my Congress approval rating is up.

00:20:44.000 After yesterday, personally.

00:20:47.000 But I will point out, we're not at war.

00:20:48.000 This is not a war.

00:20:49.000 So if people are using false accusations to get James ousted, it's not war.

00:20:54.000 And all is not fair in legal battles.

00:20:56.000 So if they're doing something underhanded, I think that that's going to get some people in a lot of trouble.

00:21:01.000 So we have this video here, and it's from Project Veritas, and I don't know who this guy is.

00:21:07.000 It says, Busted!

00:21:08.000 Pfizer CEO Albert Borla relies on aggressive security tactics to escape Veritas journalists' questions.

00:21:14.000 Do you know who this guy is?

00:21:15.000 I'm not trying to be a dick to him, I don't know who he is.

00:21:16.000 What's his name, Albert?

00:21:17.000 No, this guy right here, this journalist that they have.

00:21:19.000 Not yet.

00:21:20.000 So people started telling me, hey, you know, they removed James O'Keefe, stripped him of his authority, put him on paid leave, have explained almost nothing. We had to get leaked this

00:21:31.000 this letter explaining what people were claiming, which sounds outlandish, and we've not

00:21:34.000 gotten a response from James.

00:21:35.000 Then they put out a video with some other dude we... I don't know at the very least.

00:21:40.000 James Lalino, Project Veritas reporter standing outside the Conrad Hotel in Washington, D.C.

00:21:45.000 I just gotta say this, you know, isn't it?

00:21:48.000 Doesn't it?

00:21:49.000 I tweeted this morning that all the drama was part of a plan, because I was joking.

00:21:55.000 And it was where people took me seriously.

00:21:56.000 I said, I was like, Steven Crowder on the Daily Wire, and me in the quartering, and Veritas and James O'Keefe.

00:22:03.000 You don't think there's a coincidence, do you?

00:22:05.000 Phase two begins soon.

00:22:06.000 And then people like, thought I was being serious.

00:22:09.000 I was just pointing out like, why is all of this stuff happening right now?

00:22:12.000 And then, of course, you know, Later in the day, I put out an apology to Jeremy because I don't think any of us have any differences in the level of what our real cultural and ideological battles are in the culture war and with politics.

00:22:29.000 There's no real reason for me to be personally mad at Jeremy or anything like that.

00:22:34.000 Bickering like this, and I'll say that for me, I have no reason to even bring it up.

00:22:39.000 Sure, if he was trying to put microchips in you and track your movement, then I'd say speak up.

00:22:43.000 Or, you know, sterilize kids and things like that.

00:22:46.000 That's why I'm like, watching the Veritas stuff, watching the Crowder stuff, and all of this happening in the past couple of weeks, and then these other stories about these Republicans getting shot, I'm kind of like, hey, yo, let's not I don't know, man.

00:22:58.000 Look, y'all can tell me I'm wrong about everything.

00:23:00.000 You can insult me.

00:23:01.000 You can say, Tim, you did bad.

00:23:03.000 I will accept all of that.

00:23:04.000 I don't want this to fall apart.

00:23:06.000 I will gladly accept.

00:23:07.000 You can unsubscribe.

00:23:08.000 You can unfollow.

00:23:09.000 You can not be a member anymore.

00:23:11.000 I will gladly step back and say, the worst possible thing right now with all of this going on is infighting, and I'm sorry.

00:23:20.000 I don't want this to happen.

00:23:21.000 I don't want things to get worse.

00:23:23.000 This freaks me out.

00:23:24.000 So I'm sure there's like multiple levels of drama, but as far as the right having this civil war, I'm actually extremely glad it's happening. 0.60

00:23:32.000 I think Jose might agree with me, because it seems to be separating the wheat from the chaff in a lot of ways, like this whole DeSantis versus Trump stuff that's going on, and just seeing everyone turn on each other, seeing Matt Gaetz actually stand up against I think Matt Gaetz is fantastic.

00:23:47.000 being elected speaker, stuff like that.

00:23:49.000 Like it's uncomfortable, but it's actually kind of like forcing the right to evolve,

00:23:53.000 if you know what I mean.

00:23:54.000 It is, but you know, the reason I, I think Matt Gaetz is fantastic.

00:23:59.000 I said this on the show the other day, and he brought it up, that he's my favorite

00:24:02.000 member of Congress, and I'm like, well look man, he defended Ilhan Omar, someone he shouldn't,

00:24:07.000 on a principled ground that made sense, And then he voted to have her removed on a logical ground that made sense, and I'm like, I get what he's doing.

00:24:16.000 So, you know, he said he gives Speaker McCarthy an A rating now.

00:24:20.000 They stood up.

00:24:20.000 They did what they had to do.

00:24:22.000 They stood up on principle.

00:24:24.000 When it came to Swalwell and Schiff being removed from their committees, he said, that makes sense.

00:24:29.000 They lied about intelligence.

00:24:30.000 I agree.

00:24:31.000 He said, removing Ilhan Omar because she said things you don't like doesn't seem to make sense.

00:24:34.000 It doesn't sit well with me.

00:24:36.000 However, Ilhan Omar voted to remove Marjorie Taylor Greene and Gosar, so that's the standard she set.

00:24:40.000 So I'm like, that's actually logical.

00:24:43.000 That makes sense.

00:24:44.000 I can respect that tremendously.

00:24:45.000 So when looking at the McCarthy stuff, That I'm in favor of. 0.86

00:24:50.000 You know, them standing up to the establishment saying, we get these concessions.

00:24:53.000 But I don't see any net gain in all of us at the base level fighting with each other at all.

00:25:00.000 I don't see any of us succeeding if all of a sudden at the exact same time we all find reason to have beef with each other.

00:25:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:08.000 It helps you identify good faith actors, in my opinion.

00:25:11.000 Yeah.

00:25:12.000 Yeah, I know it splits things up, and to me, I see crises and stuff like this as almost inevitable.

00:25:18.000 I think you're almost better to make the best of it, and what this was, was you're able to identify things.

00:25:23.000 From here, you're able to see who your in-group was, who your out-group was, who's willing to act in good faith, who's not.

00:25:27.000 I mean, that's not to say there are perfect actors on either side, but you can tell, I mean, throughout all this drama, there's been so many crazy claims, and it allows you to be like, yeah, I probably won't work with that person, probably not going to interact with them, etc., etc.

00:25:38.000 You don't have to cause a problem over it, but it allows you to be able to see the battlefield, what's going on, etc, etc.

00:25:42.000 Yeah, this is the challenge that I basically see with all of this stuff is, you know, this should not be happening at Veritas at all.

00:25:49.000 If they've got problems with James O'Keefe, they should not have handled this way.

00:25:53.000 This is horrible mismanagement.

00:25:54.000 Made me take stock of what I was doing, and I'm like, I shouldn't be so reckless and brash and arrogant at the same- because, like, I see that, and then it reflects on me.

00:26:03.000 What am I doing?

00:26:04.000 This is a bad way to handle it, especially if we're trying to be strategic and tactful so that we can focus on issues like, I don't know, people smuggling eggs over the Mexican border because the prices are so insane.

00:26:15.000 Like, things we actually have to accomplish because we're concerned that they're letting non-citizens vote in Washington, D.C. 0.99

00:26:19.000 or New York, or outright, as many people are pointing out, censorship due to people filing false privacy claims or legal challenges exploiting the system to gain some kind of political power, and I can respect that.

00:26:31.000 So at that point, I'm just like, Yeah, I'm genuinely freaked out.

00:26:37.000 Not to mention, you know what really does it is like we can have drama and whatever and I'm kind of like, whatever.

00:26:43.000 And then I see these two Republicans in Jersey get killed.

00:26:45.000 And I'm kind of like, okay, guys, let's let's get serious.

00:26:47.000 We're, you know, we're, we're, let's like, let's Let's get serious.

00:26:50.000 We're lucky to be able to experience drama in a conversational way.

00:26:54.000 We're very privileged in this society to be able to hash it out with words before it would ever come to anything other than that.

00:27:02.000 I put it this way.

00:27:04.000 You mentioned it allows you to see who you might not want to work with and who you want to work with.

00:27:07.000 We can see the camps, right?

00:27:08.000 The audience sizes here and a different audience here and there's some overlap and some people get mad this way and some people get mad that way.

00:27:14.000 And I'm just like, but why are we mad at each other?

00:27:16.000 I shouldn't be doing that because the people over there are doing really messed up stuff.

00:27:21.000 They're lying to the American people.

00:27:22.000 They're spreading false intelligence.

00:27:24.000 They're putting ankle weights on a president who gave us the best economic numbers in a generation and then resulted in us getting a Joe Biden who gives us some of the worst.

00:27:33.000 And I'm kind of like, yeah, I think we've got to make sure we're focused on that stuff.

00:27:37.000 Oh, I was thinking... Go for it, Reid.

00:27:39.000 You triggered him with the Trump economics.

00:27:41.000 Oh, yeah, well, I mean, I do have to address that.

00:27:43.000 I mean, we were definitely... When Trump ran for president in 2016, he even said, we're living in a bubble, it's gonna pop, this isn't actually a good economy.

00:27:50.000 Until he was president, then suddenly it was the greatest economy in the world, until it crashed when he's gone.

00:27:55.000 You know, I don't think that has much to do with Trump or Biden or Obama.

00:27:59.000 It's more about the Federal Reserve policies we had over that time.

00:28:01.000 But that aside, I think it's important... I think the Fox The wolf in sheep's clothing is more dangerous than the fox in the hen house.

00:28:12.000 An obvious enemy is less of a threat because it's easy to point out, it's easy to say this person is dangerous and they're against what we stand for.

00:28:21.000 When you have somebody, I would say like Trump, who virtue signals on a lot of important issues, but then nine times out of ten when it comes down to it, he goes along with whatever the establishment wants.

00:28:33.000 I think that's more dangerous.

00:28:34.000 I mean, under Biden, you've had legitimate right-wing opposition to what he's been doing.

00:28:40.000 If Trump were still president right now, I don't think you'd have nearly the amount of solidified opposition to what's going on in the White House.

00:28:49.000 I mean, because we saw that in 2020.

00:28:50.000 But when you look at wages and inflation, right when Joe Biden gets inaugurated, Then right after he enacts a plethora of executive orders, you start to see a dramatic shift in wages starting to go down and inflation starting to go up.

00:29:05.000 So you think that's a coincidence?

00:29:07.000 No, I don't think it's a coincidence.

00:29:08.000 I mean, the CARES Act was the largest spending bill in U.S.

00:29:12.000 history signed by Donald Trump in March of 2020.

00:29:15.000 The COVID relief act of 2020 was the second largest spending bill signed into law by President Trump in December of 2020.

00:29:23.000 And so sure, Biden's energy policy does nothing to help.

00:29:26.000 It definitely makes it worse.

00:29:27.000 But to act like printing trillions and trillions of dollars out of midair when we had a Republican president and locking the economy down, which wasn't his fault.

00:29:36.000 I'm not blaming him.

00:29:37.000 I mean, it was Democrat governors.

00:29:39.000 Sure.

00:29:39.000 Well, Republican governors too.

00:29:41.000 Both.

00:29:42.000 But to act like that wouldn't have, you know, effects regardless of whether or not he gets elected.

00:29:46.000 Like, even if Donald Trump got reelected and was still president, you would have 95% of this inflation.

00:29:53.000 The inflation is increasing the money supply.

00:29:56.000 I mean, I agree to the extent that the spending was bad, but also you take a look at the, for one, like obviously the energy policy of Joe Biden, but you take a look at a whole bunch of other things.

00:30:07.000 I mean, they're enacting policy based on ideological ends.

00:30:11.000 Joe Biden literally said he was going to end fossil fuels.

00:30:14.000 Before the pandemic, the economy was the best numbers of our lives.

00:30:18.000 Obviously not during the pandemic, So if you get a knee-jerk reaction that results in mass spending and panic, but you have a tendency among Democrats for harsh and total lockdown, you get a Joe Biden who starts speaking about the lockdowns only to blue states and not red states, and then, you know, previous to this, you had some red states saying no and opening back up.

00:30:38.000 You get a Joe Biden that comes into office and acts a bunch of policies.

00:30:43.000 You get the Inflation Reduction Act, quote unquote, and then you watch in real time as inflation continually gets worse, stagnates at extremely high levels, or continues to get worse.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, I think if Donald Trump was president, we'd probably have better economic policy.

00:30:54.000 I think things would probably be recovering.

00:30:56.000 Well, you got a DeSantis because you had Biden.

00:31:00.000 I don't think you would have had a DeSantis under Trump.

00:31:02.000 DeSantis, and I've got lots of issues with DeSantis, but when he was opposing the COVID regime in Florida, where Jose is living, I think a lot of that was because there was political will to have a dissenter to the, you know, the official narrative that Joe Biden was putting out.

00:31:18.000 With Donald Trump, I think that would have been a lot less likely.

00:31:21.000 I think if you have a central authority figure that people can hate and they can actually oppose, not just like in a virtue signaling way and not just in an emotional way, but actually come out against it, that's how you get an actual... I think a good example of what Reid's getting at is just a quick little thing.

00:31:37.000 The majority of gun control gets pushed through under Republican presidents, and the reason why is because of exactly what he's saying.

00:31:42.000 When you have someone like a Biden in office, you actually get a legitimate Republican pushback.

00:31:46.000 I just want to clarify that if I had to compare Joe Biden with Donald Trump, I do prefer Donald Trump's policies to Joe Biden.

00:31:51.000 I'm just talking from a reactionary perspective.

00:31:53.000 because no one wants to rock the boat. I just want to clarify that if I had to

00:31:58.000 compare Joe Biden with Donald Trump I do prefer Donald Trump's policies to Joe

00:32:02.000 Biden. I'm just talking from a reactionary perspective. You're coming at it from a

00:32:06.000 libertarian's perspective.

00:32:08.000 So the underlying statement that you're making is Donald Trump is not a libertarian, which I don't think anyone... He's not even a Republican.

00:32:15.000 Well, I mean, he's a progressive Republican probably along the lines of... He's a 90s Democrat.

00:32:20.000 Yeah, and that's fair and that's fine.

00:32:24.000 If you're arguing that Donald Trump is not libertarian enough for you, that's a legitimate argument, because Donald Trump wasn't trying to be libertarian.

00:32:33.000 It's fair to say that Donald Trump isn't libertarian enough for libertarian people, and I mean, most of your criticisms I agree, because I prefer a smaller government, but holding Donald Trump to the libertarian standard and saying, well, he's not a libertarian, when everybody that's a Donald Trump supporter is gonna go, Duh, we don't care.

00:32:53.000 That's not my argument.

00:32:57.000 My argument is actually to achieve libertarian policies is easier on a state level under Joe Biden than it would be under Donald Trump because it's easier to rally opposition to Joe Biden.

00:33:07.000 Stuff that's happened in Florida, stuff that's happened in New Hampshire, it's very easy because it's easy to rile up your right-wing neighbor and say, do you want Joe Biden to be able to have federal jurisdiction over what happens in New Hampshire?

00:33:19.000 And they'll say, hell no.

00:33:21.000 Let's bring up this story then.

00:33:22.000 Sure.

00:33:23.000 We have this from TimCast.com.

00:33:24.000 Second New Jersey Republican elected official shot and killed within a week.

00:33:28.000 Authorities have not identified a motive, but confirmed the victim was the intended target.

00:33:32.000 This is Milford Borough Councilman Russell Heller was murdered by a co-worker at a PSE&G facility.

00:33:39.000 So we don't know exactly why.

00:33:40.000 Maybe it's not political, perhaps.

00:33:42.000 But we also had Eunice Dwumfer. 1.00

00:33:43.000 Who was shot to death in a vehicle outside her home.

00:33:46.000 And when asked if this was political, the DA said that they didn't, you know, they said something along to the effect of, you know, please don't make, you know, we don't want to answer that right now or something like that.

00:33:57.000 So I don't know if this is political.

00:33:59.000 But we certainly are seeing extremist rhetoric.

00:34:03.000 We just had a bunch of leftists storm into a Capitol building.

00:34:06.000 Oh, insurrection or whatever.

00:34:07.000 And in the previous segment, we were talking about, Reid, you were mentioning that it's easier to drum up opposition to, right, like legitimate opposition to Joe Biden to get in Republican or Libertarian policies because you have, you know, that president.

00:34:23.000 And it would be a lot more difficult under Trump.

00:34:25.000 But I guess looking at this, I kind of feel like even with a President Joe Biden, the media is still screaming the right is the deep threat.

00:34:31.000 You still have, I mean, is it a coincidence that two Republican elected officials were just shot and killed in New Jersey in one week?

00:34:38.000 Maybe.

00:34:39.000 Is it political?

00:34:40.000 It might not be. 0.91

00:34:41.000 I'm kind of leaning towards two Republican officials being shot and killed in the span of a week.

00:34:46.000 I at least lean towards the hypothesis we should look into whether this is political, considering the rhetoric from the media and everything like that.

00:34:52.000 So if we've got a Democrat in office, shouldn't things be calming down, at least as far as the leftist rhetoric is?

00:34:59.000 It's more hyped up and amped up than ever.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, well, I think the revolutionaries that we have to worry about.

00:35:04.000 I think the hyped-up rhetoric is what causes a lot of the right-wing opposition to the Democrats in charge.

00:35:11.000 So, for example, people who didn't pay attention to politics at all four years ago, after the last two years when there's suddenly a science denying conspiracy theorists or whatever, and they're an enemy of intelligence agencies or whatever.

00:35:26.000 Suddenly they start to care about the FBI having as much power as it does.

00:35:30.000 They start caring about how much control the government has over what you can put into your body, all these different things.

00:35:36.000 So, yes, there is a lot more political turmoil, but I think that that has actually woken up a lot of people who wouldn't have said things that sound like what I say nowadays four years ago.

00:35:48.000 They never would have dreamed of it, but now it's just their regular rhetoric because they've become so used.

00:35:52.000 Shifting the Overton window.

00:35:53.000 Yes.

00:35:54.000 The chaos kind of produced by a weak president forces people to establish local order.

00:35:59.000 If you don't, they won't do it for you.

00:36:02.000 Yeah, that's part of it, too.

00:36:04.000 I mean, that's not what I meant, but that's part of it, too, is the weakness of Joe Biden.

00:36:08.000 People gravitate toward their governor if their governor is strong.

00:36:11.000 And I like that decentralization.

00:36:14.000 I would rather people invest in their own state government instead of worrying about what the federal government's doing. 0.99

00:36:20.000 I'm with you on the wolf in sheep's clothing being more dangerous than the fox in the henhouse, except that the obvious fool here, Joe, I'm calling you out because you surrendered to the Taliban. 0.95

00:36:32.000 The absolute mishandling of our military and the loss of life accrued by Joe Biden because of that surrender? 0.97

00:36:37.000 He surrendered to the Taliban and he surrendered to China.

00:36:39.000 The fact that he allowed the balloon to just cross the country without doing anything and

00:36:43.000 now it's coming out that they were monitoring and there was radio frequencies that they

00:36:49.000 were monitoring.

00:36:50.000 I mean, he's neglected the national security of the US entirely.

00:36:57.000 So it has caused people to step up at a local level and take control of their lives, but

00:37:01.000 whether or not we're better off having a weak president, I don't know, because that loss

00:37:05.000 of life in Afghanistan is absolutely, that's going to hang on my consciousness.

00:37:07.000 I just got to talk about Afghanistan real quick, because the problem with Afghanistan 1.00

00:37:11.000 is that we stayed too long.

00:37:14.000 Donald Trump made a deal with the Taliban that we would be out of Afghanistan.

00:37:18.000 I think it was May 1st of 2021.

00:37:20.000 And then Joe Biden came in. 0.98

00:37:25.000 and he was an arrogant ass and he said no we are going to leave on September 11th because 1.00

00:37:30.000 I'm not going to have Donald Trump's stupid Afghanistan withdrawal plan. So he stayed an 1.00

00:37:35.000 extra what four and a half months, didn't get people out, and the Taliban... That's not the

00:37:41.000 problem with Afghanistan.

00:37:43.000 The problem with Afghanistan was he got the combat troops out.

00:37:47.000 What you do is you point guns at all the bad guys and get your people out, and leave the guys with the guns pointed at the bad guys on the ground, and the guys with the guns, they leave last.

00:37:57.000 Everybody got everybody out, and that was the problem.

00:38:00.000 People were being killed on cars outside the Air Force Base by Taliban.

00:38:03.000 He abandoned Bagram Air Force Base.

00:38:05.000 I mean, if you want to withdraw from Afghanistan, And I agree, like, we should not have been there. 1.00

00:38:10.000 We should have been there at all.

00:38:11.000 Yeah.

00:38:12.000 But the one thing you do is you tell the local security partners, the Afghan forces, hey, go set up security over the next two weeks to lock down the Air Force Base to secure these areas.

00:38:23.000 They needed to make sure that they had logistics for their aircraft, for the helicopters, for the jets or whatever they were using.

00:38:29.000 One of the problems we heard was that there were people, Afghan security forces, literally flying at the time when Biden abandoned the country and all of a sudden all their logistics get cut off and they have no idea what's going on.

00:38:38.000 The Taliban, without communication, there was no defense force.

00:38:42.000 And so we learned, in the middle of the night, they abandoned the Air Force Base, say nothing, and locals went in and started looting the place.

00:38:50.000 They gave everything to the Taliban. 0.99

00:38:52.000 That's why I call it a surrender, because literally you surrender equipment or items or people.

00:38:57.000 Well, what Reid and Jose are talking about is strategy, which is the way that, you know, Biden came in and wanted to have the exit on September 11th for a look.

00:39:06.000 But the major problem with the withdrawal from Afghanistan was tactical.

00:39:10.000 It was the way that they actually did it.

00:39:12.000 They didn't set security to get the non-combatants out, to get the people that were helping the

00:39:19.000 Americans, whether they be Afghans or whether they be other countries or whatever, the U.S.

00:39:24.000 nationals, all the civilians, all the, you know, whether you like CIA or not, get all

00:39:30.000 the CIA assets out, get all the assets out, and then you take big army out.

00:39:34.000 Then you take the guys with the guns out.

00:39:35.000 And the guys with the guns all point guns at everybody and say, no, you're not doing

00:39:39.000 anything.

00:39:40.000 And then they all get on a plane and leave.

00:39:42.000 But you don't take the security forces out first.

00:39:46.000 The major problem was tactical.

00:39:48.000 I mean, there's no disagreement that the civilians come out first, but when you make a deal with the Taliban, which is the most official government in Afghanistan, we will be gone in May, which is what Donald Trump told them in 2020, and then Joe Biden comes in and drags his feet, doesn't get the people out of there, and like you said, take the military out last, be out by May.

00:40:09.000 That's what he should have done.

00:40:11.000 I argue that if you give your enemy a date, I'll be out by January 1st.

00:40:15.000 January 1st comes and you're like, you know, I'm not ready.

00:40:17.000 This is war, dude.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:20.000 You wait till I leave because we are at war.

00:40:23.000 I mean, they're lucky they're still alive.

00:40:26.000 The Americans could have nuked the entire country if they wanted to. 0.96

00:40:29.000 Well, they look at it the same way, though.

00:40:31.000 The Taliban, if you've made a deal with them, like we're going to be gone by this time, and then you're not. 0.78

00:40:36.000 I mean, they feel the same way that we feel about them attacking our guys.

00:40:39.000 It's like, look, dude, you said you were going to be gone.

00:40:41.000 You're in our country.

00:40:42.000 What are you doing here?

00:40:43.000 And that wasn't even the first day I think we've given them.

00:40:44.000 We've kept jerking their chain for forever, I believe, setting date after date after date.

00:40:48.000 There's at least multiple other ones from what I recollect.

00:40:50.000 I'm not as good in forecall as you.

00:40:51.000 It just ended up being like, I think it was actually September 1st when we left.

00:40:55.000 It ended up being... I'm all about the horrendous...

00:40:58.000 Why were we even there in the first place?

00:40:59.000 It's insane.

00:41:00.000 Get out as soon as possible.

00:41:01.000 But it wasn't done right.

00:41:03.000 I think it would have been a crap show either way, to be honest.

00:41:07.000 I think there's definitely probably room to say, you know, it could have been handled better. 0.93

00:41:07.000 I mean, don't be wrong. 0.93

00:41:10.000 Maybe Trump's plan was better.

00:41:11.000 I don't know.

00:41:12.000 But at the end of the day, like, I don't think, like, let's be real.

00:41:15.000 The Taliban's the Taliban. 0.96

00:41:17.000 And we didn't really have anything set in place, nor would we ever have had something in place to resist this. 0.99

00:41:22.000 So it was going to be a crap show no matter what. 0.98

00:41:24.000 It's just a matter to what degree. 0.98

00:41:25.000 Now, I think, like, I think the military knows that there is a proper way to withdraw forces from a hostile area.

00:41:34.000 I think there are better ways, probably.

00:41:37.000 I don't think there's going to be any situation that ends up looking good.

00:41:45.000 I think that they probably could have kept... I think they probably could have kept things... They could have kept down a little bit.

00:41:49.000 Yeah, I mean, like, you don't need bombs going off and you don't need to take your security force out before you get your citizens out. 0.50

00:41:54.000 You also had Trump's generals lying to him about the status of how things were in those countries.

00:41:59.000 That was a train wreck.

00:42:00.000 Yeah, I was saying this the other night with the members of Congress.

00:42:03.000 If we were able to get another Trump term without the weights on his legs with Russiagate and the other lies and the manipulations and nonsense, I think things would go swimmingly.

00:42:14.000 It would be amazing what we would see.

00:42:17.000 I genuinely believe Trump wanted us out of these foreign wars.

00:42:20.000 I genuinely believe he wanted us to have no involvement as world police.

00:42:23.000 I genuinely believe he wants to secure our borders, bring factories back, and start improving these things.

00:42:27.000 You know, I think, like you guys were saying, he's a 90s Democrat or whatever.

00:42:31.000 Yeah.

00:42:31.000 But what you get with him is...

00:42:34.000 Russiagate investigations, lies, manipulations, Ukrainegate impeachment scandal.

00:42:39.000 And so even with all of that, I've heard from so many people back in 2019 about how it was the best year of their lives in terms of making money and seeing their companies grow and getting better jobs.

00:42:48.000 Now we have Joe Biden and everything's just bad.

00:42:51.000 I mean, it's bad.

00:42:53.000 I talk about this local racetrack, the horse track.

00:42:55.000 They want to reopen the restaurant so you can hang out, have a burger, and watch the horses run.

00:42:59.000 That sounds like an awesome time, but they can't find any workers.

00:43:01.000 We tried getting people to come out here and do work on our HVAC, and they just ghost us.

00:43:07.000 It's crazy how messed up it is right now.

00:43:10.000 I wonder if you guys listening at home are experiencing similar things where people just don't want to work.

00:43:17.000 And I think what we were hearing the other day from Byron Donalds is that with the stimulus package and the money that was being given out, pushed largely by Democrats, you get demand high but supply low because nobody is working to produce anything.

00:43:32.000 It's going to drive prices way up.

00:43:34.000 Oh yeah, no disagreement there.

00:43:35.000 And this isn't to excuse any of Biden's policies.

00:43:38.000 Biden's policies have 100% made things way worse.

00:43:41.000 But we were already living in a bubble when, you know, after the 2008 crash, you know, things started building up and then we were living on low interest rates.

00:43:51.000 Things were artificially, you know, more popping than they should have been.

00:43:54.000 There was going to be something that pricked the bubble eventually.

00:43:58.000 If I were Donald Trump, I personally wouldn't have wanted to get reelected in the end of 2020.

00:44:02.000 I would have read the writing on the all been like, things are gonna suck next year and the year

00:44:06.000 after regardless of who the president is.

00:44:08.000 It's the boom-bust cycle.

00:44:09.000 Biden's definitely made things worse, but.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, it's the boom-bust cycle.

00:44:12.000 It's just we print a bunch of money, the money gets artificially inflated, seems to

00:44:16.000 be a better deal than it is, and we convince ourselves that's great, and so we keep on

00:44:19.000 doing it, keep on doing it, until eventually the floor falls out and right back down again.

00:44:23.000 Do you guys- Oh, that's the vibe I get with Jim Cramer when he, there's

00:44:25.000 a quote where he was like, this is the best year of our lives, or the best, you know,

00:44:29.000 but I think what happened is that the inflation balloon had expanded to its capacity.

00:44:33.000 So it was like, this is the biggest the balloon has ever been.

00:44:36.000 Guys, I don't, I don't think that the bubbles popped.

00:44:39.000 I mean, not completely.

00:44:40.000 The floor is not lower than that.

00:44:41.000 The air is coming out fast.

00:44:43.000 But I don't, I'm like, it's like if you, if you're of the opinion that the, the, you know,

00:44:49.000 the economy was overheated and they printed too much money and things, you know, are going

00:44:53.000 to get bad.

00:44:54.000 If you're of the, of that opinion, things have not even come close to how bad they're

00:44:58.000 going to get.

00:44:59.000 Correct.

00:45:00.000 Because you're, because the, the, the, the bubble in the dollar has not gone away.

00:45:04.000 Me and Serge were actually talking about this before.

00:45:07.000 It's funny in the, the before show, whatever thing he does.

00:45:07.000 It's funny in the before show, whatever thing he does.

00:45:10.000 Actually my buddy Clint, Clint Russell, we talked about this before and he has a theory

00:45:10.000 Actually my buddy Clint, Clint, Clint Russell, we talked about this before and he has a theory

00:45:15.000 that he thinks likely probably in the next 10 years China will probably collapse monetarily

00:45:19.000 in some form.

00:45:20.000 Now that will likely cause some sort of deflationary pressure which will then boost us back up.

00:45:24.000 And so then we get that juice that like, you know, woo, everything's great, it's awesome.

00:45:28.000 He said China?

00:45:29.000 China.

00:45:30.000 You know, the way they expand, how we expand.

00:45:32.000 We expand militarily, they expand with money because they're far more communist and they've,

00:45:36.000 you know, exponential over time is building up.

00:45:39.000 So I mean it's just a matter of, it's the same idea with the boom bust cycle over here

00:45:42.000 but to a greater degree.

00:45:43.000 So it's just a matter of when does this pop?

00:45:45.000 I don't know.

00:45:46.000 I would say likely, I mean I don't know, somehow it could be papered over, something else could

00:45:49.000 happen but let's say their money did bust, that would cause a deflationary pressure over

00:45:53.000 here to where we kind of sort of get sucked back into a boom.

00:45:57.000 And if that happens then what happens when we convince ourselves we're great all over

00:45:59.000 again and we're like oh no problem, just keep on going like we do and then the floor comes

00:46:02.000 again later and it's even lower.

00:46:05.000 Maybe.

00:46:06.000 I mean, if that's the case, then essentially everyone's got a little bit of time to prepare, or a little more time to prepare.

00:46:13.000 Yeah, that's better.

00:46:13.000 But you've got to be mindful and look at it from a bigger picture so you understand that.

00:46:16.000 You can still move to New Hampshire.

00:46:18.000 It's not too late.

00:46:19.000 So like you were saying, the U.S.

00:46:20.000 was spread out militarily, kind of like the British Empire with India, for instance.

00:46:23.000 And then India had a revolution, and Britain lost all that revenue coming out of India.

00:46:27.000 So would it be a Chinese economic revolution, where Chinese companies are in Afghanistan, but one day those people will be like, actually, we live here.

00:46:34.000 I just mean they're inflating their money at a higher rate than we are.

00:46:42.000 So they're going like this, whereas we're going like this.

00:46:45.000 So they're more likely going to boom or bust at some point.

00:46:50.000 The money is not sound with what they're doing.

00:46:53.000 You can't just print money forever.

00:46:54.000 Eventually it goes down.

00:46:56.000 That's why they have whole ghost cities and stuff where no one lives.

00:46:59.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not just their money.

00:47:00.000 It's also their architecture and everything.

00:47:02.000 Like, if you look at the ghost cities like he's talking about, they have the homeless problem, but they also have these giant cities that nobody lives in.

00:47:10.000 It's almost like communism is a bad form of economics.

00:47:14.000 I know they're a mix.

00:47:14.000 They're sort of like a mix then.

00:47:15.000 I get it.

00:47:15.000 You know when world military superpowers start to go bankrupt, they tend to look outside

00:47:20.000 of their borders for resources.

00:47:22.000 Like the Nazis, the Germans, when they were destroyed after World War I, they almost had, 0.80

00:47:27.000 you could argue, no choice but to invade foreign countries to repopulate or repurpose.

00:47:33.000 Like if they lose their pipelines?

00:47:34.000 But with the petrodollar, we don't have to worry about it the way past empires had to.

00:47:39.000 Because people are forced to use our currency to buy things, so we just, we don't gotta do anything.

00:47:44.000 We just point guns and then say, use our money or else.

00:47:46.000 We just gotta aid in a genocide in Yemen so the Saudis will keep, you know, printing dollars, printing oil in dollars. 0.98

00:47:52.000 Peter Zeihan, he's a brilliant guy, he was on Rogan a few weeks ago.

00:47:58.000 On Rogan, that's so funny, riding on his shoulders.

00:48:01.000 But he said that China would be gone in five years.

00:48:03.000 I don't know what exactly he meant.

00:48:05.000 I'm not hopeful, I don't know what to think about that.

00:48:11.000 I mean, the Soviet Union dissipated relatively peacefully.

00:48:14.000 Yeah, they broke up.

00:48:16.000 I'm not sure it was relatively peacefully.

00:48:19.000 I mean, there was a lot of turmoil.

00:48:22.000 Preferable.

00:48:23.000 Just for how big it is.

00:48:24.000 It's preferable to like an international war, but I think if you go to like The former Soviet states that are no longer Soviet states, the 90s were real rough.

00:48:33.000 There are still people in Russia that long for the days of the Soviet Union because they remember the 90s.

00:48:40.000 And the 90s were really, really, really hard in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet states.

00:48:45.000 And they don't look at freedom the way that we do because freedom for them was full of corruption and a lot of bad people that had Influence in the state before just started taking things and saying, well, me and my boys with the guns now own this refinery or whatever.

00:49:04.000 So it wasn't so peaceful.

00:49:07.000 We didn't see the effects here in the US of the breakup of the Soviet Union so clearly.

00:49:12.000 Let's jump to this next topic.

00:49:13.000 We got some Tim Cassidy.

00:49:14.000 Big news, everybody.

00:49:15.000 I know our Libertarian guests are really excited to hear.

00:49:17.000 Meta has reinstated Trump's Facebook and Instagram with heightened penalties.

00:49:21.000 Other public figures whose accounts are reinstated from suspensions related to civil unrest will also face similar penalties.

00:49:26.000 But there it is, everybody.

00:49:28.000 Maga Man is back! 0.74

00:49:29.000 Donald Trump can now post on Facebook and Instagram.

00:49:32.000 And he should.

00:49:34.000 And he should also be on Twitter.

00:49:35.000 Will he?

00:49:36.000 I don't know, man.

00:49:37.000 I think he's got a contract with Truth Social that says he can't for a certain period of time or something like that.

00:49:42.000 Because I want to be clear, Trump, his social media presence was by far my favorite thing about him.

00:49:47.000 I loved his Twitter, I loved how he talked about John McCain.

00:49:53.000 You don't say, Reid!

00:49:55.000 You don't say!

00:49:56.000 You're kidding, right?

00:49:58.000 It's kind of like Tim was bringing up earlier, if he hadn't had his weights, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's a perfect guy, I'm not saying he's like Ron Paul or something.

00:50:05.000 Ron Paul's a perfect guy, huh?

00:50:06.000 Well not perfect, but he's the closest idea of a politician I can think of.

00:50:09.000 But if he wasn't weighed down, if the government didn't government, it'd be super awesome, yes.

00:50:13.000 The incentives point a certain way and like it was if you like for example I think if like a Ron Paul got in office I think it would probably be a similar thing either he'd take a ride down in Dallas or he would end up you know some way being tied down this way or that to where he wasn't really able to get the things he done he wanted done the same way Trump was because there are certain incentives in place when you start rocking the boat it doesn't work out well usually.

00:50:33.000 Yeah, you gotta have the American population rock the boat for you, and then you just make sure that you don't veto their changes when they rock it to where it needs to be rocked to.

00:50:42.000 But if you go up there and try to become the president and make all the changes yourself, you're just an easy target.

00:50:46.000 I mean, I honestly don't have any faith at all in politics in general, but especially at a federal level.

00:50:51.000 I think once you get down more local, you get more to where you can actually have results, even down to the individual.

00:50:56.000 I think as an individual, you can make your life better more than you can fix the federal government.

00:50:59.000 You don't think Trump is perfect?

00:51:02.000 Have you not seen his body when he's golfing?

00:51:02.000 No.

00:51:04.000 It's true.

00:51:05.000 Very bigly.

00:51:07.000 He might be the most healthy president ever.

00:51:10.000 Too healthy, actually.

00:51:11.000 The healthiest.

00:51:14.000 Slow down.

00:51:14.000 Too healthy.

00:51:15.000 Fatten up for the role.

00:51:18.000 I do miss him.

00:51:19.000 I mean, I'm glad that we're starting to see him more.

00:51:22.000 I just loved the comedic value he brought to everything.

00:51:26.000 He was so much fun.

00:51:27.000 He initiated clown world.

00:51:28.000 I'm really much fun.

00:51:30.000 I want to meet him because I'm tired of talking about him like a third person.

00:51:32.000 Donald come on the show and what doesn't he own truth social.

00:51:35.000 So how could he did he sign.

00:51:36.000 You guys got to get my friend Eric Jackman on here.

00:51:39.000 He does the perfect Trump impersonations.

00:51:41.000 You got to check out Jackman radio on Twitter.

00:51:43.000 Everybody go follow in Trump.

00:51:45.000 Oh God.

00:51:46.000 He Trump has seen him act as himself and he approved of it.

00:51:50.000 He had him come up on stage and congratulated him and everything.

00:51:52.000 Phil seen it.

00:51:53.000 It's great.

00:51:54.000 It's a good it's a good.

00:51:55.000 He's losing weight though.

00:51:56.000 He's trying to emulate Trump's perfect health.

00:52:02.000 So Tim you were saying even as an owner of a company you can have contact with yourself.

00:52:06.000 So, I mean, I don't think he owns Truth Social 100%.

00:52:09.000 I think they're a SPAC, so they have shareholders and stuff like that.

00:52:12.000 And then, in order to do this deal, if people are going to buy shares of this company, they need to know that Trump's not going to abandon it.

00:52:19.000 So, the company says, to increase his own valuation, he made a deal that he

00:52:23.000 But it's not just him, there's other people involved in the company who say,

00:52:23.000 wouldn't leave.

00:52:26.000 if we're going to work a company with you, you've got to agree not to go to other platforms.

00:52:30.000 So my understanding is that he can post on Truth, and then he can link to his Truth post. 0.71

00:52:35.000 So he can post on Twitter something like, I called that fat pig out and then linked to Truth, and 0.79

00:52:41.000 then Truth shows the bigger one. 0.99

00:52:42.000 Only Rosie O'Donnell. 0.90

00:52:44.000 And there's like a time frame too.

00:52:45.000 He can post it on Truth and at a certain amount of time he can then post it on Twitter or somewhere else.

00:52:49.000 But he's gotta get back on his platforms, man.

00:52:51.000 So didn't Elon say he was gonna like out, he wasn't gonna allow just nothing but posting to another platform?

00:52:56.000 Wasn't there something he said about that?

00:52:57.000 I think he walked that back.

00:52:58.000 Okay.

00:52:59.000 And the funny thing is everyone got really mad at him about that, but that's literally the policy of every social media platform.

00:53:05.000 If you use the platform just to link out to a different platform, you can get suspended or get your post removed.

00:53:11.000 YouTube especially, they'll ban you outright.

00:53:14.000 Because people would do this thing where they'd make a live stream saying, go watch the show on Twitch instead.

00:53:18.000 And then YouTube's like, nah, you can't do that, delete.

00:53:20.000 So Elon says, we'll do the same thing.

00:53:22.000 If you're only linking out to somebody else, we're gonna, you know, you can't do that.

00:53:25.000 Everybody got mad and Twitter's a different platform, you know?

00:53:29.000 So, Truth Social is owned by Trump Media and Technology Group, which is owned by Donald Trump, as far as I can tell, and Devin Nunez is the CEO of the parent company.

00:53:38.000 But that parent company, Trump Media and Technology Group, merged with a company called Digital World Acquisition Corps in 2021, October.

00:53:46.000 I don't know who owns Digital World... DWAC.

00:53:47.000 Yeah, DWAC.

00:53:48.000 Yeah.

00:53:49.000 I don't know who owns that exactly, but I'm about to find out.

00:53:51.000 I love how, like, instead of tweets, they're literally called truths.

00:53:54.000 Isn't that every time?

00:53:55.000 It's so weird.

00:53:56.000 I don't like the brand.

00:53:57.000 It's not a verb.

00:53:59.000 I know, but it's so Trump.

00:54:01.000 I just love it.

00:54:01.000 It's so Trumpy.

00:54:02.000 Truth is subjective.

00:54:04.000 So is Trump.

00:54:06.000 That spaceship on the table is pointing to the left.

00:54:08.000 But for you, that spaceship on the table is pointing to the right.

00:54:11.000 Easy, Mr. Postmodernism.

00:54:12.000 Both of our truths are correct.

00:54:14.000 Literally, that spaceship model you see right in front of you, it's pointing to the left.

00:54:18.000 But to you, that's not true.

00:54:19.000 To you, it's pointing to the right.

00:54:21.000 So our perspective is guiding our truth.

00:54:23.000 So I don't like that he's claiming that he has the truth.

00:54:26.000 I don't disagree with the concept you're drawing, but it's Trump, so I just love it that every time he says something, it's a truth.

00:54:32.000 It's very much the way he thinks.

00:54:35.000 Yeah, he's truthing.

00:54:36.000 That's the only thing he ever does.

00:54:38.000 Everything is a truth.

00:54:40.000 But we need him back.

00:54:41.000 I don't know why he's not posting.

00:54:41.000 We need him back.

00:54:44.000 Maybe it's contractual obligations.

00:54:45.000 I have a feeling it's Tim.

00:54:47.000 He's just not in touch with the base anymore.

00:54:49.000 So Tim, do you think he would win?

00:54:50.000 Because I've been amazed how many people don't think he would win now.

00:54:53.000 Yeah, I'm not entirely sure.

00:54:55.000 I mean, I see the propaganda where they claim that Joe Biden would beat him by eight points, but I just roll my eyes at that.

00:55:00.000 I'm not sure it matters if it's Trump or ham sandwich so long as ballot harvesting and universal mail-in voting is the machine by which we're determining our elections.

00:55:07.000 In 2016, he was a wrench in the spokes of the transition of the liberal world order to the new world order.

00:55:13.000 Like, he got us out of Trans-Pacific Partnership day one.

00:55:16.000 And they, without him even knowing what he was doing probably, he was smashing up the plan and they wanted him out.

00:55:21.000 But now I think the plan is out in the open and it's like kind of amorphous.

00:55:24.000 We're obviously not going techno-communist.

00:55:27.000 No one, I don't know anyone that's down to put microchips and be spied on all day by a corporation and be told when and what you can say.

00:55:33.000 Yeah.

00:55:34.000 So let's, I think maybe there's a lot more potential for him, but he's older.

00:55:37.000 I mean, Congress want Matt Gaetz.

00:55:40.000 They really are bullish on Trump.

00:55:42.000 I just don't think he's in touch with his base.

00:55:43.000 The whole Vax stuff.

00:55:45.000 This was definitely your thing, so I'll pass it off to you.

00:55:48.000 I mean, I'm not a Republican, but most people I hang out with, I feel like that's the base that he had, the kind of people I interact with on a daily, day-to-day thing.

00:55:56.000 They're all like DeSantis.

00:55:57.000 That's what they're all about.

00:55:58.000 That's what everyone's about these days.

00:55:59.000 So unless he changes his messaging, maybe gets on Twitter, gets Riles' things back up again, maybe.

00:56:04.000 I just don't see it right now, but a lot can change between now and then.

00:56:04.000 I don't know.

00:56:07.000 It's like a really young, famous, energetic vice president that could breathe a lot of life into the campaign.

00:56:12.000 I mean, he needs to get back into the public space.

00:56:14.000 He's been putting out these videos where he talks about his policy plans, and he's very much been addressing culture war issues, but he needs to just get on Twitter.

00:56:22.000 And that's a tough thing, you know.

00:56:23.000 Elon Musk buys Twitter.

00:56:24.000 I'm sure Elon is like, please, Trump, come back, because it's going to set the platform on fire.

00:56:29.000 In a good way, it's going to light it up. 0.89

00:56:31.000 Trump's gotta get out there and post those tweets where he calls Coke garbage.

00:56:34.000 Remember that one? 0.99

00:56:35.000 I'll still keep drinking that garbage, though. 0.93

00:56:37.000 That's what we want to see. 0.99

00:56:39.000 He needs to be Trump.

00:56:40.000 Trump needs to be Trump on Twitter.

00:56:42.000 He needs to be Trump in the domain where people are going to see him most.

00:56:47.000 And he needs to be the off-the-cuff Trump.

00:56:49.000 When I speak of my haters, I speak of them with love.

00:56:52.000 It's not their fault they're born f-ed up.

00:56:56.000 I love it.

00:56:57.000 Not having Twitter, you are invisible.

00:56:59.000 Even at my level.

00:57:00.000 I just got my Twitter back this morning.

00:57:02.000 Lost it in October of 2021.

00:57:05.000 Without it, it's hard to network with people.

00:57:07.000 The same with his level.

00:57:09.000 At the level he is, it's hard to be in touch.

00:57:12.000 With the world, because Twitter is how politics travels now.

00:57:14.000 Yeah, you become invisible in the political space.

00:57:16.000 Not necessarily in the entire entertainment zone.

00:57:18.000 I mean, Mr. Beast has a Twitter profile, but I mean, it's all YouTube.

00:57:23.000 Once you get big on YouTube for cartoons and making people laugh, you don't really need Twitter.

00:57:28.000 But if you're in politics, you absolutely need to be connected to that, I think, to understand.

00:57:33.000 I don't know, man.

00:57:34.000 I wish I knew if he was on contract.

00:57:35.000 Exclusive, true social contract.

00:57:37.000 Because where the hell is he?

00:57:39.000 Well, outside of that, there's a conversation about how do we protect our rights on social media if what you're saying is true?

00:57:46.000 You can't network without Twitter.

00:57:48.000 It's very difficult.

00:57:50.000 Technology is being granted to one political faction to use, you know, however they see fit.

00:57:54.000 Another faction is getting banned and suspended.

00:57:57.000 How do you solve for that?

00:57:58.000 I mean, I don't think you guys are going to be all about government regulation in that regard.

00:58:02.000 Yeah, what's crazy is, you know, you guys had Jeremy Kaufman on last year, I think, who's a friend of mine in New Hampshire.

00:58:07.000 He created Odyssey, which was like a free speech alternative to YouTube, and the feds have been going after him like crazy.

00:58:13.000 There's been all sorts of court cases.

00:58:16.000 Right now, Ben Swan, who I have networked with a little bit, he's trying to create a new platform called Sovereign.

00:58:23.000 And all these different platforms are just learning from the mistakes of the previous ones where the federal government can basically screw them over and trying to figure out how to work their way around it.

00:58:31.000 But I think that is the alternative, is like making alternatives.

00:58:34.000 On that, on the point we were talking about with Trump earlier, like his feet being weighed down.

00:58:38.000 Same thing with this.

00:58:39.000 If you're trying to create different ways for this to work, we saw with Twitter, and it's pretty clear with Facebook and probably other social media as well, they're infiltrated with Feds.

00:58:48.000 They get corporate welfare, this, that.

00:58:50.000 But the little guys like Odyssey, all these other upstarts, they have the exact opposite problems.

00:58:54.000 The incentives are driving things one way or the other.

00:58:55.000 So it's like, I don't really necessarily think throwing the government in the mix is going to help.

00:58:58.000 If anything, I think reducing it would be the best, personally.

00:59:02.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:59:02.000 It is usually people do get a brand name, that's what they stick with, but definitely don't let them get infiltrated with feds like Twitter did.

00:59:09.000 I don't know that you can prevent social media companies from becoming infiltrated with, you know, with federal... There's a way, Phil.

00:59:20.000 The reason I say is because it's too much of a honeypot.

00:59:23.000 I mean, the capabilities that your average phone has Like to monitor the average person.

00:59:31.000 The idea that the federal government isn't going to attempt to get their fingers into software that makes that possible.

00:59:40.000 I don't know that you get a world without governments trying to do that.

00:59:45.000 And I don't know how you stop them either.

00:59:46.000 Well, you free software.

00:59:47.000 If your code's on GitHub or GitLab or something where people can watch and see if it's tracking you, at least you know if the software itself is tracking you.

00:59:54.000 The networks are, I don't know, you'll never be able to keep people out of the networks.

00:59:57.000 You'll have feds undercover in the networks, but you don't want companies running social media.

01:00:02.000 I don't.

01:00:03.000 The companies can get hijacked, so you want decentralized software packets If they drop the patents, that's another thing, where the government gets involved in the patent system.

01:00:12.000 I'm not a tech guy, I'm kind of a tech idiot, but if they dial back some of that, some of the regulation they have there, it makes it so much easier for a starting point for people for alternative social medias and stuff.

01:00:23.000 Dial back what exactly?

01:00:25.000 Like patents because I know your big thing is about like releasing information in the world

01:00:28.000 Like I mean, I'm I don't know exactly that works tech I'm a tech idiot, but I'm assuming a lot of these things

01:00:33.000 are protected between like IP type stuff. Yes Yes, so and I know that's a common point you touch on a lot

01:00:37.000 Yeah I brought that up last night to Jim Jordan that one way

01:00:40.000 instead of breaking up a company monopoly like Twitter or Alphabet by smashing it into seven different companies and

01:00:47.000 then giving the CEO of alphabet access to all the code from all seven companies

01:00:50.000 Which it would be counterproductive counterintuitive you would actually force them to free their software code or

01:00:55.000 aspects of their software code They would let other people compete

01:00:58.000 I would be completely miserable if that happened to Apple and the reason is I

01:01:03.000 want Apple to have tight control over their products because I

01:01:08.000 I'm willing to pay extra for the synergy that comes when you use Apple products.

01:01:12.000 When I open up my earpods for the first time, they automatically find the phone, etc.

01:01:20.000 Apple products are made to work together.

01:01:23.000 As soon as you open up the code and you essentially are just turning Apple products into other

01:01:28.000 hardware, where the software is open and people can do whatever they want to create software,

01:01:34.000 then you end up with the same issue that you get with PCs now, which is you don't know

01:01:38.000 how reliable the company that produced whatever piece of software you have is, or whatever

01:01:44.000 piece of software you want to use, you don't know how reliable they are, you don't know

01:01:46.000 how the quality control is, you don't know what that piece of software is going to do

01:01:50.000 to other software in your computer.

01:01:52.000 I stick with Apple stuff because I know that Apple controls it and Apple controls it tightly.

01:01:57.000 And I know that this is probably an unpopular opinion for a lot of people, but I have to say you're on a one.

01:02:02.000 Yeah, it's because when they can, I don't, but I don't want people, I don't want people getting into Apple and saying, well, you have to do this and making Apple stuff work.

01:02:10.000 Taking away the synergy that Apple's products have.

01:02:14.000 I like the way Apple products work, and I don't want some government person getting involved and saying Apple's too big, has too much control, so we want to stick our nose in and say that you have to do this and have to do that.

01:02:23.000 There's two aspects of when you're building software is compatibility, ease of use, and then security is one of them.

01:02:30.000 Apple is very low security.

01:02:31.000 We don't know what their security systems are doing, if they're tracking you, if they're selling your DNA.

01:02:36.000 They told the FBI to pound sand when they were trying to get that dude they were accused of terrorists, they wanted to unlock his phone, and Apple's like, yo, we're not doing it, because you'd have to make a back end into the thing.

01:02:45.000 So, granted, you can't predict the future, but I was happy with that result, that they told the FBI to go F off, you know, so.

01:02:53.000 Nah, Apple's a big no for me, dog.

01:02:56.000 Just, I'm not.

01:02:57.000 I get it.

01:02:58.000 We had, you know, we got one Apple machine here out of all the machines, because we had someone who was like, well I know how to use Apple, and it's just been a disaster.

01:03:04.000 I was like the integration is the opposite of what you're describing.

01:03:06.000 Yes, for Apple with using other IBM stuff, but if you don't know like you can't even like hard drives for instance.

01:03:12.000 It's like we want to transfer data for between hard drives.

01:03:14.000 You could take a hard drive between any any PC, but not between Apple.

01:03:18.000 Yeah, but like Apple is one company versus the 8 million other companies.

01:03:22.000 That's part of why I don't want to mess with Apple because there's all these other options.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, but then the hard drive would work between other computers.

01:03:29.000 So instead, it's like we plug the hard drive in, and it's like there's no data on it.

01:03:32.000 And we're like, well, it can work in literally any of the various PCs from different brands, different companies, different laptops.

01:03:37.000 But not the Apple!

01:03:38.000 That one we have weird problems with.

01:03:40.000 They're finally adopting USB-C, I think.

01:03:42.000 Or they kept building their own plugs.

01:03:44.000 They have to.

01:03:45.000 I think Europe passed a law saying they have to use a standard, so it's going to be USB-C.

01:03:49.000 I was deep on free software last night thinking about it.

01:03:52.000 So I started to think about the arms manufacturers.

01:03:54.000 I'm like, okay, liberal economic orders, basically Lockheed Martin, Boeing, there's five of them, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, and General Dynamics.

01:04:02.000 But then there's the British one, BAE Systems.

01:04:04.000 So the six of them together comprise about $140 billion of arms dealers.

01:04:08.000 Five of the six largest arms dealers on earth are in America.

01:04:11.000 They are supplying us directly with our own weapons.

01:04:13.000 And I was like, would I force them to free their software code?

01:04:17.000 Arguably, hell no.

01:04:19.000 And how would I do that?

01:04:20.000 Because then you're giving your weapons systems to the potential enemy.

01:04:23.000 I don't like thinking in terms of friend and enemy, but they do.

01:04:26.000 The weapons manufacturers sure are.

01:04:28.000 I'm like, can't we just blow up bombs on Mars to heat it up?

01:04:30.000 We don't make ships.

01:04:31.000 No, these are actual tactical games they're playing with weapons.

01:04:33.000 They want to fight.

01:04:34.000 That's what this system, they seem to want to.

01:04:37.000 So, I'm sorry.

01:04:38.000 No, go ahead, Phil.

01:04:40.000 So I think there are times that you don't want to open source the code, but when it comes to social media and information, I am bullish.

01:04:47.000 What were you saying?

01:04:48.000 No, I think that nowadays the chips and most of your microchips and stuff are not made in the U.S.

01:04:55.000 and there's a strong likelihood that they're all compromised anyways.

01:04:58.000 Whereas they're made in China or Taiwan or whatever.

01:05:00.000 We're gonna dive headfirst into the shallow end with this next story about Eliza Blue, Chrissy Mayer, and all the stuff that's been going on over the past week.

01:05:10.000 And we'll just be as candid as possible.

01:05:12.000 I'm sure we'll piss some people off.

01:05:14.000 But we have this tweet from Chrissy Mayer.

01:05:15.000 For those that aren't familiar, Chrissy Mayer is a comedian and she hosts a podcast called SimpCast.

01:05:20.000 And she's been on the show, I think, I think a couple times, right?

01:05:23.000 Has been a couple times?

01:05:24.000 We've had her on the show before. 0.78

01:05:25.000 And so there's been some controversy related to a guest we had recently, Eliza Blue, and some censorship actions that she's been accused of, notably filing privacy requests against people who talk about her past work.

01:05:38.000 And so here we have the story from Chrissy Mayer.

01:05:40.000 She says Eliza Blue got four of my YouTube videos removed for showing a fair and balanced doc trailer which featured three to five seconds of her public at the time now removed WorldStarHipHop video.

01:05:51.000 Must be nice to have the power to rewrite history then gaslight Twitter and YouTube into accepting it.

01:05:56.000 Now I'll say is that right?

01:05:58.000 You know I said previously I'm uninterested in this and I'll kind of you know I think this is this got to the point where literally right before the show I saw this tweet and I'm like Okay, okay guys, you got me, alright?

01:06:09.000 Like, I'm starting to see and learn more that's having me question what's going on if YouTube videos are getting pulled.

01:06:16.000 And we're hearing that a bunch of people actually had YouTube videos getting pulled.

01:06:19.000 And so this clearly is an abuse of the system to a degree that we've not seen for a while now.

01:06:23.000 It used to be, in the early days of YouTube, there were attempts by political rivals to falsely flag and get people's content removed.

01:06:30.000 And now it seems like we're seeing an uptick in this, particularly pertaining to Eliza Blue. 0.96

01:06:35.000 The first thing I'll say is, as it pertains to the issues related to me personally, you know, look, man, I say it a million times, I'm an arrogant shithead, and so don't come at me and yell and scream at my face and think I'm gonna bend the knee and do anything for you. 0.76

01:06:48.000 And I will tell everybody right off the bat, We had this person on the show that I don't care too much about. 0.50

01:06:53.000 I don't follow her career.

01:06:54.000 I don't know much about her.

01:06:55.000 I don't handle booking.

01:06:56.000 We've had her on the show two times.

01:06:57.000 But all of a sudden, we found ourselves inundated with, and I'm not saying, you guys gotta be very careful because when I said that there was a PR firm running like 50 accounts, everyone started claiming I called literally the millions of people who are watching these videos bots.

01:07:10.000 I never said that.

01:07:11.000 But we started, we got some very gruesome, gruesome's maybe not the right word, but Let's just say, you know, people crossed the line with what they were sending to us and the images they were posting of people.

01:07:23.000 Easiest way to get me to be like, I will not give you what you want.

01:07:26.000 But here's what I have to say about this.

01:07:28.000 There are a lot of people who are genuinely concerned about what we're seeing in terms of what Eliza Blue's done and her past work.

01:07:33.000 And there's a big difference between those people and the very few people I am directly criticizing.

01:07:39.000 The people who are posting just really awful photos and videos, sending awful things to us.

01:07:44.000 And I want to make sure that people understand because there's still this, you know, here's what I said earlier.

01:07:49.000 Following the Project Veritas stuff, following, you know, obviously the Crowder Daily Wire stuff, following these Republicans getting shot, I'm reading this, I have a source contact me, they say, we want you to read this letter, check this out.

01:08:01.000 And I'm like, okay, well, we're gonna publish this.

01:08:03.000 And I'm reading this, and I'm like, yo, if all of this bad stuff is happening right now to various organizations, and everyone's fighting with each other, Yeah, that's it.

01:08:11.000 Infiltrate, destroy.

01:08:14.000 Divide and conquer. 0.98

01:08:15.000 Yeah, I'm not going to be all about that, right?

01:08:17.000 So I said outright to Jeremy Hambly of The Quartering, look, I apologize.

01:08:21.000 I don't want to be fighting with you.

01:08:23.000 We agree on way too much for me to be bickering or complaining about something that is one issue where ultimately we probably agree mostly on it, but there's a personal issue that's making me upset or something like that.

01:08:37.000 When I'm looking at, we have another story we'll talk about in a minute, a woman saying that she used to work in gender affirmation for children and now she's realizing how bad it is. 0.89

01:08:45.000 I'm like, there's a lot more things that we all agree on that we need to be focused on.

01:08:49.000 My biggest concern with all of this is, obviously censorship is bad, but if I'm gonna get distracted and personally aggrieved or whatever, and that means infighting will erupt, that takes us off mission.

01:09:03.000 We're being played.

01:09:05.000 We're being played, and so I'll say this to you right now.

01:09:07.000 When I came out with my video earlier and said exactly that, like, Jeremy, I shouldn't be fighting with you.

01:09:14.000 That's not what we should be doing.

01:09:16.000 That's not what I should be doing.

01:09:18.000 So I apologize.

01:09:18.000 Jeremy put out a video saying he apologizes.

01:09:20.000 I have tremendous respect for that, and I sincerely apologize.

01:09:24.000 There are still people trying to drum up this infighting, and that is exactly what I'm talking about.

01:09:28.000 When all this starts, and I'm this guy who's sitting here like, look man, I don't know anything about her.

01:09:33.000 We booked her on the show because she's on Twitter and she's a prominent activist.

01:09:36.000 I didn't know that people had beef with her and I don't know what that beef is.

01:09:39.000 We get people sending us, let me just say like, videos that Photos and videos that I just think would make a dad, you know, like if a dad found out people were doing it about his daughter, he'd end up in jail.

01:09:52.000 That kind of stuff.

01:09:54.000 So you want to come at me and my friends with these really horrifying things and I'm going to be like outright not getting anywhere near this.

01:09:59.000 But I genuinely and legitimately understand that's not most people.

01:10:03.000 So I hope all of you understand that there are people still right now trying to get us to keep fighting.

01:10:09.000 I'm not going to do it.

01:10:10.000 I will outright say, especially upon seeing Chrissy Mayer get her videos taken down, I'm absolutely wrong about that.

01:10:18.000 I was personally slighted and that put blinders on me.

01:10:22.000 I don't want to fight with anybody. 0.99

01:10:24.000 I will keep being an arrogant shithead and I will say that. 0.98

01:10:27.000 But I also recognize we shouldn't be fighting if we can avoid it and we can focus on things that are more important. 0.97

01:10:32.000 So the only thing I can say, just one last thought, is please keep an eye out for those who are still in the chat right now desperately trying to get me to get angry and to fight with you guys when I'm saying, no wait man, like we need to come together on this.

01:10:43.000 I think the big thing here is people, like they say in soccer, if you're a defender, keep your eye on the ball.

01:10:48.000 And I think so many people got their eye off the ball on this story And I'm like you pointed out with the censorship with the I mean, I don't know if you point out the legal action She threatened supposedly online.

01:10:56.000 I think those are things that are worthy derision and worthy looking into and see what is going on here Why is this happening?

01:11:01.000 Maybe there's more to the story But this thing got taken so out of control and to such a level to things that had nothing to do with it her past which took me wrong like Sure that like maybe like discredited her or something but that I don't personally myself I couldn't care if she made up all of that that's not pertinent information to me.

01:11:16.000 What is pertinent to me is did she threaten legal action against people and is she getting accounts taken down?

01:11:21.000 I don't know I'm open to it seems that way it seems to imply I read Shane's latest article it seems there's something building there maybe some sort of argument I don't know I'm still open to and the people criticizing Tim Cass for not jumping in already they literally had a guy there and like It was clearly not a fleshed-out story, so why would you comment on something before it's a fleshed-out story?

01:11:39.000 But here's what I think, too, and I can't speak for Shane, right?

01:11:43.000 I will tell you guys with 100% sincere honesty.

01:11:46.000 I told Shane I didn't think the story was worth it.

01:11:49.000 I don't know anything about it, and I said to him, if you do this, you need to sit down with Jeremy Hambly, and we need to do, like, two different profiles of, like, what is the big picture here.

01:11:59.000 Here's the problem.

01:12:00.000 And, uh, we got baited.

01:12:02.000 Because the things that were sent to Shane, I guarantee you, like, and again, I can't speak for him, Saki said this to me, but I do know that people posted very inappropriate things about his family.

01:12:14.000 You do that, you guarantee- That's bait.

01:12:16.000 They were trying to get us to fight.

01:12:18.000 And so I've now had people saying like, bro, it's an op.

01:12:20.000 Like, they're trying to make you fight each other.

01:12:22.000 What I was saying is it's a PR firm that I think was trying to promote Eliza because it worked in making her famous.

01:12:29.000 Having John Rich come on here and be like, who is this Eliza I'm hearing about now?

01:12:32.000 And I'm like, man, that's so convenient for her.

01:12:34.000 And I'm specifically referring to, obviously not like, A YouTube channel where they're talking about it.

01:12:41.000 I'm referring to the people even still right now in the chat who are desperately trying to make us fight.

01:12:46.000 And they're the same accounts that spam the same things over and over and over again.

01:12:49.000 Clearly inorganic.

01:12:51.000 Desperately trying to make conflict happen.

01:12:52.000 Sometimes even real people get caught in that state of mind.

01:12:55.000 Because it's like scratching an itch.

01:12:56.000 It feels so good, but if you keep scratching you're going to rip the skin off and make it bleed.

01:12:59.000 Like, we're in the it feels really good state right now.

01:13:02.000 Don't keep scratching.

01:13:04.000 You know, Brittany Venti got her, got videos taken down of her today. 1.00

01:13:07.000 I made a YouTube video for the first time in about a month and a half today about this

01:13:10.000 on my YouTube channel, Ian Crossland.

01:13:12.000 Please check it out after the show, and I'll remind you again.

01:13:16.000 And I posted a link to Brittany's video.

01:13:18.000 In that video, she showed clips from this World Star music video in question.

01:13:23.000 This is all revolving around this one video, I think, that had been previously taken down,

01:13:27.000 but Brittany still had clips from this now-removed video on her channel.

01:13:31.000 Then that video was removed over the course of the last six hours.

01:13:34.000 Eliza, I'm concerned that shame is a very powerful, dangerous feeling, and if you are pushed into becoming a useful tool for cancel culture to hyperinflate cancel culture because of your... I know it's generic, afraid of your past, but just It's don't become the villain that you're looking to squash out.

01:13:55.000 That's the best advice I think I can give you right now.

01:13:59.000 But if these bans are unjust, they need to be rectified.

01:14:02.000 If something, Brittany said in her video, she was showing screenshots of Twitter's ban thing, and they said that it was privately created or distributed sensitive content.

01:14:12.000 Twitter role. It was publicly distributed sensitive content.

01:14:16.000 It was not private and it was taken down for being a privately sensitive piece of

01:14:20.000 content. How sensitive is it really? It was the music video. She made the video.

01:14:24.000 She was proud of it. She was, you know, ostensibly she was spreading it around back in

01:14:30.000 the day. So I think that's up for debate, but I think it for the sake of argument we say it is

01:14:35.000 sensitive content, but it was public sensitive So Twitter, reinstate Britney. 1.00

01:14:39.000 That ban is unjust, in my opinion.

01:14:42.000 Simply put, and just to go back to our position on this, I think I got tricked.

01:14:47.000 I think we all got tricked here into taking out our anger on people like Jeremy and Britney.

01:14:54.000 I think, so I was like, I don't want to get into too much detail about what was happening to us, but like, You know, these are my friends and people I care about, and I don't want to call them threats or anything, but the stuff we were getting sent was, let's just put, like, put it triggering.

01:15:07.000 If someone sent you the stuff that we got sent, you'd probably react the same way.

01:15:12.000 And then when, you know, I was looking at, I made this joke tweet earlier, I was like, Daily Wire, Project Veritas, me and the quartering, it's all, you thought it was a coincidence, wait till phase two or whatever, like, as a joke.

01:15:23.000 People thought it was real.

01:15:24.000 And then I stopped and kind of thought about it when I was reading the Veritas letter and I'm like, people were saying, is it a coincidence that right after the Pfizer thing comes out, you know, we have the Grammys brought to you by Pfizer, we do this big thing complaining about it, all of a sudden we're getting slammed with these people claiming to represent a group of people but they're sending us some of the most abhorrent and awful things you could imagine, pissing us off and making us fight, and then I'm just like, Yo, nah, I'm not doing it.

01:15:48.000 You got me.

01:15:49.000 You got me for a few days, but I'm not gonna do it now.

01:15:51.000 And two, some of the nicest people I've ever met.

01:15:53.000 The two people in question, I've interacted with them, met one of them personally, and, like, even with the limited time I've met them, they genuinely are some of the nicest people I've ever met.

01:16:00.000 Who are you talking about?

01:16:01.000 The one person, because I'm sure we don't want to name the name to deflate it.

01:16:03.000 Name them all.

01:16:04.000 Oh, I don't care.

01:16:05.000 And then Shane Cashman.

01:16:06.000 So, Shane, I've only met him online.

01:16:09.000 I've done one show with him.

01:16:10.000 He came on my show, Four Pony Boys, which is a joking rip-off of Four Horsemen, because we're buddies and so who cares.

01:16:16.000 But yeah, I found him on my show.

01:16:17.000 He's like the nicest guy I've ever met and a super interesting fella.

01:16:19.000 And just for this to happen to someone like that, not that it makes it better who they are, but it's just disgusting.

01:16:24.000 This is the thing too.

01:16:25.000 It's like, even before we did anything, we were getting sent awful stuff and getting attacked.

01:16:32.000 And then so I was like, okay, well, we're going to cover this.

01:16:35.000 And then it ramped up and got crazier.

01:16:37.000 And then, of course, I'm like, I got an internal conversation with Shane, and I'm saying, like, I don't know if we can handle whatever this is, or what they're doing, and he's like, oh, we gotta tell the story, man.

01:16:47.000 You know, it's something I realized.

01:16:48.000 I recommended, well, so, I mean, Shane's clearly pissed, I don't know, I think we had talked to him.

01:16:53.000 The plan now is, maybe as soon as possible, is to have Chrissy Mayer on with Shane, and then just hash all this stuff out, because I think we're being played.

01:17:01.000 I'd love to have Brittany Venti and Eliza on at some point in the future, after we work through these cycles. 0.95

01:17:06.000 I think it's fantastic.

01:17:07.000 This is this is this kind of thing we can avoid in the future if we talk about it now.

01:17:10.000 You know, I realized we have a responsibility to talk about this stuff.

01:17:14.000 It's not stuff I want to do.

01:17:15.000 I don't want to get dramatic and talk about my friends online.

01:17:18.000 Who did what?

01:17:19.000 Who said what?

01:17:19.000 But when it comes to banning and people losing their livelihoods, like if someone's banned from Twitter, that's their that's could be their life, their income.

01:17:25.000 And it's our this show, Tim, me, we have a responsibility to talk about cancel culture.

01:17:32.000 And social media censorship.

01:17:34.000 It's just like, you know, with great power comes great responsibility and you have to make personal sacrifices.

01:17:38.000 This is a sacrifice we have to make.

01:17:39.000 We have to talk about this stuff.

01:17:41.000 I think that it's pretty clear that I don't imagine that people thought that the Tim Kast brand was pro-censorship because of this stuff.

01:17:52.000 But I mean, there's a lot of people in the chat that are, like you said, that are still looking to stir it up, that are, you know, looking for issues.

01:17:59.000 A lot of lies, too.

01:18:01.000 Like, that was the thing about it, is I'm seeing people post videos being like, you know, I'm canceling my membership at TimCast.com and stuff like that.

01:18:09.000 And we gained over a thousand members in the past week, which is three times like what we normally do.

01:18:14.000 I think everybody involved in this has become more famous as a result of this whole thing.

01:18:18.000 No, I think- It's called infighting.

01:18:19.000 Steven Crowder's way more popular than he was two months ago.

01:18:22.000 Daily Wire, a lot more people heard of Daily Wire.

01:18:24.000 When I saw that meme of you with Jack Murphy's beard on your face, I was like, people that you've never heard of now that don't even earn in politics are hearing about you now.

01:18:32.000 Yeah, but it's not a good thing when we're arguing with each other about this instead of talking about this next story, which you need to see.

01:18:38.000 It can be a good thing if we make it right.

01:18:41.000 No, I don't like infighting.

01:18:42.000 I don't like that as a means to generate notoriety.

01:18:47.000 If you want drama, let's have drama with this.

01:18:49.000 Take a look at this story from the Free Press.

01:18:52.000 I thought I was saving trans kids, now I'm blowing the whistle. 1.00

01:18:55.000 There are more than 100 pediatric gender clinics across the U.S.

01:18:58.000 I worked at one.

01:18:59.000 What's happening to children is morally and medically appalling.

01:19:02.000 I mean, that's the gist of her story.

01:19:03.000 It's a woman who worked for 4 years at a clinic as a case manager, responsible for patient intake and oversight. 0.70

01:19:09.000 I left the clinic in November last year because I could no longer participate in what was happening there.

01:19:13.000 By the time I departed, I was certain that the way the American medical system is treating these patients is the opposite of the promise to do no harm.

01:19:21.000 Instead, we are permanently harming the vulnerable patients in our care.

01:19:25.000 I'm segwaying here, but I want to mention, this is the kind of story that makes me be like, guys, you know what?

01:19:30.000 Man, I will eat humble pie.

01:19:32.000 I will do whatever.

01:19:34.000 I need your help on this one.

01:19:35.000 I don't want to fight with people about drama stuff.

01:19:39.000 We shouldn't do that.

01:19:40.000 I shouldn't do that.

01:19:41.000 I'll say whatever I have to say to calm everybody out, to chill everybody out.

01:19:46.000 And that's on me.

01:19:47.000 I'll take that.

01:19:48.000 Because this is the kind of stuff that makes me feel like... Look, look.

01:19:53.000 I've been talking on this channel for a long time about just getting a van down by the river and just letting it all go away.

01:20:00.000 And the problem with that is every time I imagine how much more fun, in a sense, my life would be, if I just said, I'm done working 16-hour days, I'm done running a company, I'm gonna go hang out by the river and just catch some fish and just breathe the fresh air, and then I think about five years after that, People will be locked up in camps, kids will be getting castrated, money will be worthless, and I'm like, yeah, if we stop doing what we're doing, or if we turn on each other, this is the kind of stuff that doesn't get exposed.

01:20:30.000 I believe this woman who's coming out now and saying, hey, what they're doing to kids is wrong, is likely doing it, not completely because of the work that we do, or people like the quartering or whatever, but partially, as a grain of sand making that heap, the more we promote individuals calling this out, the more people will wake up to what the cult is, And if we do nothing, and if we fight with each other, and I'll take responsibility on that, if I keep doing that, if I keep getting pissed off and telling people to go screw themselves, I'm gonna wake up one day in a world where this is the norm, 100%.

01:21:00.000 I just spent the past week in L.A.

01:21:02.000 working, doing ATR stuff, and I know a lot of the very left-leaning people and spending time in Los Angeles and Hollywood and stuff, those are the kind of people that you run into.

01:21:17.000 Even people that you would consider left-leaning, they have kids and they hear about this kind of stuff and they're just like, yo, no, this is where I draw the line.

01:21:26.000 And they don't want to talk about it in public, they don't want to admit it because it's a dangerous thing to condemn this kind of stuff because there's all kinds of associations that people on the left make if you condemn these kind of gender reassignment surgeries.

01:21:46.000 But parents are over it.

01:21:47.000 Parents don't want, it doesn't matter if they're left or right, parents are strongly of the opinion that this stuff is bad.

01:21:54.000 And without people like this show, like the people that we have on here, pushing back on this stuff, people don't come out and say, hey, this stuff is bad.

01:22:04.000 They don't have the intestinal fortitude or whatever to stand up and say, hey, no, I really have this problem with these procedures and stuff.

01:22:13.000 So it is important work.

01:22:15.000 Matt Walsh went down to Loudoun County and he spoke about critical race theory and gender ideology in these schools.

01:22:21.000 It is this kind of work where, look man, I don't agree with Matt Walsh on a lot of things, alright?

01:22:26.000 He's a bold guy, to put it mildly, but I think You know, in a future where there is factions of Matt Walsh's, the disagreements we have is sitting at a table and him being like, look, Tim, I just don't agree with you on how we're going to be implementing a policy like that.

01:22:43.000 And then me saying things like, well, look, I don't know, but, you know, I'll see you at the ballot box.

01:22:47.000 Whereas today, it's people bringing kids in for castration.

01:22:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:53.000 I wonder about you guys, you know, Jose and Reed, like, I think of you guys as the pinnacle of libertarianism.

01:22:59.000 And I wonder how do you deal with this kind of stuff?

01:23:04.000 I don't know if you'd call libertarian hands off, but when you live like you live your life, I'll live mine.

01:23:09.000 How do you what do you do when a parent across the road wants to cut their kids genitals off and turn them into another gender? 1.00

01:23:16.000 Yeah, so I'm all about cultural repulsion, basically. 0.76

01:23:20.000 I think that's the strongest way to go.

01:23:23.000 Like, in New Hampshire, we're really trying to create a culture of obnoxious liberty, as Phil can attest to.

01:23:30.000 Not just the Twitter account, but just in general.

01:23:31.000 The only reason— The anarchist, abominable snowman up in New Hampshire.

01:23:34.000 The only reason this has taken off is because the cultural sensibility is allowing it to go on and handle these people with kid gloves. 0.98

01:23:40.000 If we push back and said, oh, yeah, it's ridiculous that you want to mess with the endocrine system of a young child at a point where their endocrine system's already in flux and mutilate their genitals, and at a point where they're not really in any sort of stage to give any sort of meaningful consent in their life, I don't think it's that crazy to be like, hey, yeah, you're nuts. 0.97

01:23:57.000 Like, to be essentially a bully. 0.95

01:23:59.000 To push back culturally the opposite way.

01:24:01.000 I mean, I'm not saying do violence to these people or anything like that, but there's no reason you need to accept that as a narrative.

01:24:07.000 That's okay. 0.99

01:24:07.000 There are people constantly saying that they're so glad that they left New Hampshire because it's a bunch of libertarian idiots or whatever, and we're all like, good! 0.99

01:24:14.000 We're glad you left! 1.00

01:24:16.000 And they, I mean, they have protests where they're calling freestaters vermin, invasive species that need to be exterminated.

01:24:22.000 That's what they're saying about us. 0.92

01:24:23.000 Is it because you guys troll people?

01:24:25.000 Yeah, because we're so obnoxious and we're openly happy about it.

01:24:27.000 To be clear, I'm not saying to do that to adults who have made this choice on their own.

01:24:30.000 I mean, I have my personal opinion, so it's probably a little bit ridiculous if you start like, you know, but like snip snip.

01:24:35.000 But, you know, so far, it's your life at that point.

01:24:37.000 I don't care.

01:24:37.000 Do what you want.

01:24:38.000 Dave Smith made a great point when he said that stigma is how you peacefully discourage behavior that you don't like.

01:24:47.000 And so the idea that libertarianism equals libertine government.

01:24:53.000 We bully them a lot.

01:24:54.000 Libertines.

01:24:55.000 What's that?

01:24:56.000 Well, so just because something is legal doesn't mean that you have to endorse it.

01:25:00.000 And that's one of the things that people that have it, you know, you call them state or we call them status or whatever, but like that's what a status tends to think.

01:25:07.000 If you say, I don't think this should be illegal, they automatically in their brain jumped to the conclusion that you endorse the behavior.

01:25:14.000 And so I don't think that it should be illegal for people to get gender reassignment surgery.

01:25:19.000 That's fine.

01:25:20.000 You live your life, go ahead.

01:25:22.000 That's totally fine.

01:25:23.000 But there's nothing wrong with stigmatizing people that want to have children or young adults get gender reassignment surgery and condemning the idea of teenagers or children getting gender reassignment surgery.

01:25:35.000 That's something that society should do. 0.92

01:25:37.000 There are challenges.

01:25:39.000 To any kind of, like the idea of cosmetic surgery is a gradient, it's not yes or no, it's not black or white.

01:25:46.000 So we could ask a few questions to explore the morality of transgender surgeries and plastic surgery in general.

01:25:53.000 Is it okay for an 18 year old human being to have their hand surgically removed?

01:25:58.000 Eighteen, I say... I mean, because of the fact that you have to have an arbitrary line, I guess eighteen, but I mean, you're not fully developed.

01:26:05.000 Well, I mean, I'm a legal adult.

01:26:07.000 Yeah, I... You think it's okay?

01:26:10.000 Would you guys... I mean, I don't wanna... Is this an age of consent conversation?

01:26:13.000 No, she did not say those three words.

01:26:16.000 It should be legal, but it should be condemned.

01:26:19.000 People shouldn't support the idea.

01:26:21.000 People shouldn't encourage it.

01:26:22.000 And doctors shouldn't say, let's go ahead and cut your hand off. 0.82

01:26:26.000 What do you guys think?

01:26:28.000 Should it be legal for adults to have their hands surgically removed?

01:26:34.000 I think the ethical thing for a doctor is to not do it.

01:26:36.000 And I think, you know, stigma comes in play.

01:26:38.000 If they do do it, they get shunned upon by the doctor's community, other people in the community, etc.

01:26:43.000 This is where the Ron Paul argument about heroin comes in.

01:26:43.000 etc.

01:26:46.000 He told a bunch of Republicans in, what was that, 2012 in South Carolina, like, if heroin was legal today, how many of you would go shoot up right now?

01:26:54.000 And the whole crowd was like, yeah, none of us would.

01:26:56.000 I mean, no one's going to, like, cut off their hand, you know?

01:26:59.000 Yeah, it's called a general body dysmorphic disorder, something to that effect, where people, they feel like they're... I talked about this with the Twitter 1.0 executives.

01:26:59.000 I mean, they will.

01:27:09.000 When they were talking about how they've got to protect trans people because they're having an identity crisis that results in depression and potentially suicide, I said, the same is true for general body dysmorphia.

01:27:20.000 Anorexic, for instance, people are starving themselves to death, or people who overeat and become morbidly obese and have heart attacks, but also people who want to have their limbs removed, and they do.

01:27:28.000 There are many stories of, there's one guy who had like a tree fall on his arm so that he could justify amputation because he wanted it removed from his body.

01:27:36.000 So he cut it down on top of his arm?

01:27:38.000 Something like that happened.

01:27:39.000 Yeah, he had it fall on his arm so that he could justify removing it or something to that effect.

01:27:42.000 Or I think he smashed it with a hammer and then claimed something like that happened and he needed to get it removed.

01:27:47.000 There are people who are experiencing this and there are questions about what is the best way to provide assistance to them.

01:27:53.000 If there is no, you know, and this is where I suppose I'm more liberal and less libertarian, If the law exists, you could shun a guy all day and night, but if he's getting paid the money for it, you don't care what you think.

01:28:07.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:28:09.000 I've been a blue-collar worker for the last ten years of my life, and every time some anomaly takes place, OSHA thinks they have to regulate it away from ever happening again. 0.97

01:28:19.000 Instead of accepting people are stupid, and they're gonna make mistakes, and dumb stuff is going to happen, and having a very I don't think it's a red herring because those are things that actually happen. 0.84

01:28:29.000 when you're four feet in the air. 1.00

01:28:31.000 I also want to touch...

01:28:32.000 So I'm just saying that like...

01:28:34.000 I get it. 1.00

01:28:35.000 Justifying a law because of red herrings just leads you to a place of stupidity basically. 0.99

01:28:39.000 But I don't think it's a red herring because those are things that actually happen. 0.99

01:28:42.000 Like they're actually...

01:28:43.000 The question about removing the hand is a question of can you pay a doctor

01:28:47.000 to remove a healthy body part?

01:28:49.000 And the answer right now is for the most part, yes.

01:28:52.000 That's not how you actually help a person who's suffering from some body dysmorphia.

01:28:57.000 So what happens is, hey man, if the money's good, but if someone is, I'll put it this way because this doesn't include death.

01:29:06.000 What we often talk about is the Golden Gate Bridge, and every person who's jumped off it and survived has explained that they immediately regretted it, and the one thing going through their mind was, all of life's problems could be solved except for having jumped off the bridge.

01:29:20.000 And so if they jump off and they end up regretting it, and they live, we learn that.

01:29:24.000 If someone says, I need my hand removed, and then they regret it, What do we do?

01:29:29.000 You're never getting it back.

01:29:30.000 And you had that one doctor who said, that woman, who said of children who get mastectomies, if they want breasts when they're older, they can just get implants.

01:29:38.000 That's not the same thing.

01:29:39.000 You've lost them.

01:29:39.000 This is where stigma comes in.

01:29:42.000 I have a business.

01:29:42.000 Good example.

01:29:43.000 I breed hairless cats.

01:29:45.000 I know it sounds silly, but we deal with clients, we sell them, and this is where stigma comes in.

01:29:50.000 Yes, you could have the concept of, hey, the money's good, that's it.

01:29:54.000 But we even have turned down business many times because we're like, I don't like this client, I don't like the idea that this person is going to have my pet, and they're going to be a representation of my brand. 0.87

01:30:02.000 And vice versa, like, we also have to upkeep a certain standard, have a clean cat room, a nice presenting house, because we want to have a good-looking brand, because we don't want to be looked at as, like, crap.

01:30:12.000 So, like, the idea that, uh, and I'm not trying to, like, crap on you or anything, but I'm just saying, like, the idea that it's just like, oh, as long as the money's good, there's a whole lot more that goes into that. 0.86

01:30:20.000 And yes, on an individual level, there still will be, like in our, there's definitely people that go and sell hairless cats for like 500 bucks, which is like criminally low for them, and it's just gross.

01:30:28.000 Like, and those are gonna exist.

01:30:30.000 But, in the long run, that is not a good way to upkeep what you're doing, because it's just, it doesn't work.

01:30:35.000 Like, but there will be individual situations, this is what system works best.

01:30:39.000 Obviously, in a system where it's culturally homogenous, you're right, we don't need government. 0.99

01:30:44.000 But that's not what we have, and that's not what's happening around the world.

01:30:47.000 And I think it's an idealistic answer to be like, well, you know, someone shouldn't cut off a person's hand, but they'll be shunned for it.

01:30:54.000 They'll go set up a practice in the middle of nowhere and They'll do it.

01:30:57.000 Yeah, I think shunning works on local levels, when you know people, like you have a small business, you know, technically, but when you have like large multinational corporations that are for profit, you know, medicating people for life, we cut your hand off, but then you get to take our drugs, our blood thinners for the rest of your life.

01:31:12.000 You just touched it right there.

01:31:13.000 Right there.

01:31:13.000 Local.

01:31:14.000 Local.

01:31:14.000 That's it.

01:31:15.000 I think the key is local.

01:31:16.000 And start focusing local.

01:31:17.000 Because the thing is too, like this kind of plays in economics as well.

01:31:20.000 If you have a place that has a bad economic place and you're able to be like segmented off in this other area, over time they're going to end up being a worse area to be.

01:31:27.000 And people are going to more likely want to come to your area that's a better system.

01:31:30.000 That's more, you know, and yeah, I mean sure.

01:31:32.000 Maybe there are people over here that like awful things and they somehow are successful doing awful things.

01:31:36.000 But at the end of the day, that's not your concern because you're in your local area and, you know, doing what you do and drawing people that like what you do to continue that.

01:31:43.000 I agree that that is key.

01:31:45.000 But dealing with multinational corporations that are still going to be there when we go local.

01:31:49.000 I mean, I'm open to abolishing multinational corporations.

01:31:52.000 I don't know.

01:31:53.000 Who has the authority to do that at this point?

01:31:55.000 I don't think anyone.

01:31:59.000 Whoever these companies are that are administering the drugs, not only the surgeries, but the drugs to people for profit, are making massive amounts of money.

01:32:07.000 If we don't make it illegal, why would they?

01:32:10.000 Shame doesn't stop multinational corporations from making trillions or billions.

01:32:16.000 This is a symptom of a larger problem.

01:32:20.000 So focusing on what do we do about the idea that transgender teenagers are getting bottom surgery or whatever.

01:32:32.000 What you really need to do is find out if they're actually transgender or not. 0.97

01:32:37.000 Most of the time they end up being gay. 0.98

01:32:40.000 Pardon me? 0.98

01:32:40.000 Most of the time they end up being gay. 0.98

01:32:42.000 That's what the stats say. 0.90

01:32:44.000 Essentially that's the long and short of it.

01:32:48.000 But the fact that we've got society trying to, or elements of society trying to encourage kids

01:32:56.000 to transition, to encourage young people to transition.

01:33:00.000 There is a monetary aspect of it with the pharmaceutical companies

01:33:04.000 and with hospitals that want to do these surgeries because they're expensive

01:33:09.000 and because you're getting a customer for life.

01:33:11.000 But it's also the ideology that's being, that people are being taught in schools

01:33:17.000 and it comes from the culture with.

01:33:19.000 I think that the focus on LGBTQ identities as novel and something to be held up in high regard and esteem as better than normal or whatever, that's a problem with it too.

01:33:35.000 You get a kid that's maybe gay or maybe bi, Or a girl that's a tomboy, and then people start whispering in their ear, oh, you're transgender, and if they...

01:33:48.000 If they change their sex or whatever, if they transition, that's the word I was looking for. 1.00

01:33:52.000 If they transition, they get a bunch of attention and stuff.

01:33:54.000 There are all these incentives for people to do this, and the incentives are the things that we need to get rid of so you can find the people that actually are intersex, that actually have, that are actually trans, you know what I mean? 0.99

01:34:05.000 But that's a cultural issue.

01:34:06.000 Yes.

01:34:06.000 And it comes down to, if we as a culture were homogenous in our morality, we wouldn't need any laws at all.

01:34:12.000 Nobody's gonna steal from anybody else, because we all completely agree.

01:34:15.000 Until somebody runs out of food.

01:34:17.000 Yeah, but see, the issue is in very small, culturally homogenous systems, they work together.

01:34:23.000 Running out of food isn't as big of a deal.

01:34:25.000 Insurance originated as, if my house burns down, help me rebuild it, because if yours burns down, I'll help you rebuild it.

01:34:30.000 Then we codified it with money, and we all pay into the system.

01:34:34.000 That ultimately leads to, as the population grows and grows and grows, a segmented, fractured society where we don't talk to our own neighbors.

01:34:41.000 And thus, we have fractured A fractured culture, so now the police are enforcing the laws because we don't completely agree.

01:34:49.000 And some people say, I don't know you, I don't care about you, and I need something, so I'll take it from you.

01:34:53.000 They don't share the values.

01:34:54.000 I mean, you look at Chicago.

01:34:56.000 You got people who use guns to commit crimes all the time, despite it being illegal.

01:34:58.000 They don't care.

01:34:59.000 But then you got law-abiding citizens who agree not to break the law, and they won't take guns.

01:35:03.000 This isn't working.

01:35:04.000 If everyone was on the same page and said, we should all have guns, then there would be no illegal guns, there would be no gun laws, there would be no police enforcing gun laws, and everybody would have guns.

01:35:12.000 If every single person agreed there should be no guns, including the criminals, then nobody would have guns, there'd be no people getting arrested for guns.

01:35:18.000 But right now, people disagree, and some people don't care.

01:35:22.000 So I don't know if we can ever get to that ideological position, idealistic position of we were culturally homogenous anymore.

01:35:29.000 I don't know.

01:35:30.000 I don't think so.

01:35:31.000 Not literally, but I'm sponsored by Pfizer.

01:35:34.000 You see, I see the Grammys was sponsored by Pfizer.

01:35:36.000 Like, that's very concerning if you're talking about putting information and ideas into kids' brains about who's making the money off these surgeries, off these child gender surgeries.

01:35:44.000 It's like pharmaceutical companies and hospitals and stuff are making money off this for profit.

01:35:50.000 So unless we make it illegal, I mean, are there points in libertarianism or just in general where you guys are like, We're going to go to Super Chats.

01:35:56.000 Think about this tonight.

01:35:57.000 Are there points, even with a libertarian mind, that you would use the government to make things illegal?

01:36:03.000 Nah, they won't admit it publicly.

01:36:04.000 We are going to go to Super Chats.

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01:36:22.000 And let's read what you guys got to say.

01:36:24.000 Goldilocks says, hey Tim, Jeremy put out an apology video.

01:36:26.000 I hope this drama between you and the quartering can be put behind us and we can move on as brothers in arms against the establishment.

01:36:33.000 I completely agree.

01:36:34.000 And I say thank you to Jeremy.

01:36:37.000 I appreciate it.

01:36:38.000 I apologize sincerely.

01:36:40.000 Because I started to think about this with the Veritas thing.

01:36:42.000 If Jeremy and I agree on 99.999% of things, and then I'm just personally aggrieved because, you know, whatever, like, I got triggered, Then I'm kind of like, why am I fighting with the guy I agree with?

01:36:55.000 This is bad for me.

01:36:56.000 This is bad for what I want.

01:36:58.000 If I want to eventually get to the point where I can go live in a van down by the river, I'm going to need other people who will be carrying on that fight to make sure things don't fall apart.

01:37:06.000 So I kind of felt like... 0.92

01:37:08.000 You know, look, I can be aggressive and arrogant and tell people to go screw off.

01:37:13.000 This apology is more about me accepting the bigger picture and how, in the end, if I think I'm going to get anything I want or achieve anything, I can't do it by myself. 0.99

01:37:24.000 And fighting with other people who agree with me is the worst possible thing for me, quite literally a stupid position to hold.

01:37:29.000 So I accept it, and I'll do what I can. 0.98

01:37:32.000 Y'all who want to be mad at me, keep being mad at me, by all means.

01:37:35.000 There are still people in the chat who are trying to sow conflict or whatever, but I'll put it this way.

01:37:40.000 You can think I'm wrong, you can think I'm lying, you can think all those things, but it is 100% factually true that if we agree with each other on core issues, then we have to fight in the same direction.

01:37:50.000 We can hate each other afterwards, after we stop kids getting mutilated or whatever.

01:37:54.000 All right.

01:37:55.000 Rusty Shackelford says, Tim, please make that Eliza Blue song with John Rich.

01:37:59.000 That was priceless.

01:38:01.000 That was really good.

01:38:01.000 John Rich just ad-libbed that song.

01:38:03.000 It was interesting.

01:38:03.000 That was good.

01:38:04.000 Rocket Sauce says, I don't always watch Tim cast IRL by the pool while smoking venison at my apartment complex, but when I do, the neighbors do too.

01:38:11.000 Cheers.

01:38:12.000 That sounds really good, man.

01:38:14.000 Nick Stephenson says, Tim, 10 bucks says this is a targeted attack on Project Veritas by Infiltrators.

01:38:21.000 Love your work, Nick.

01:38:23.000 I kind of feel the same way.

01:38:24.000 And that's what made me think, look, you know, I'm on Twitter and I'm going off. 0.94

01:38:28.000 I'm like, screw everybody. 0.94

01:38:29.000 I don't care. 0.96

01:38:30.000 I don't need to do this.

01:38:31.000 I don't, you know, like, I get so much flack.

01:38:34.000 And then I started thinking about the possibility that I'm being manipulated or I'm being played.

01:38:40.000 That the people who are trying to get me mad at Jeremy are doing just that because they're trying to get us to attack each other. 0.99

01:38:46.000 And then I'm like, I'm not mad at Jeremy, this is stupid. 0.96

01:38:50.000 I deeply care about, like, watching AOC go on stage in Congress and lie about stuff. 0.99

01:38:55.000 I deeply care about policy that's causing our economy to get worse, and I deeply care about, am I going to have a future opportunity, or is this country going to fall into a garbage dump?

01:39:05.000 So I'm not going to, why am I wasting my time arguing with people who agree with me? 1.00

01:39:08.000 Like, that's stupid. 0.98

01:39:09.000 I'll say it a million times, we'll just keep reading more Super Chats. 1.00

01:39:11.000 Special shout out to Scrotes Magotes, by the way. 1.00

01:39:14.000 That was fake.

01:39:15.000 Not a real guy? 0.81

01:39:15.000 Scrotes! 0.81

01:39:16.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:39:17.000 Scrotes Magotes said someone was impersonating him and sent us an email.

01:39:21.000 Oh, wicked.

01:39:22.000 That's the thing.

01:39:23.000 Yeah, trust no one.

01:39:24.000 I mean, horrible to say, but you know.

01:39:25.000 This is another thing that got me going.

01:39:28.000 We got an email from our actual member saying, hey man, I did not say those things.

01:39:34.000 And we checked.

01:39:35.000 Membership active, everything's good.

01:39:37.000 And then he was like, I'm going to actually increase my membership because I want you guys to know I support you.

01:39:41.000 And then I was like, dude, someone's screwing with us.

01:39:43.000 So to all you scrotes out there, impersonators or no, hope you have a nice evening. 0.97

01:39:47.000 All you scrotes.

01:39:49.000 Yep.

01:39:50.000 All right.

01:39:51.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:39:51.000 says, Tim, I should have told you earlier that Project Veritas stuff got me thinking.

01:39:56.000 Your current drama is orchestrated by the Crystal King himself.

01:39:58.000 Ian wants you out.

01:39:59.000 I saw him and Roberto Jr.

01:40:00.000 having a contract meeting.

01:40:01.000 Oh, did you?

01:40:03.000 Keep it to yourself.

01:40:04.000 It's right here.

01:40:06.000 Yeah, check it out.

01:40:06.000 Cass Castle on TimCast.com.

01:40:08.000 Hot!

01:40:09.000 You can also subscribe to the channel on YouTube if you want to see clips from older shows as they come out later.

01:40:13.000 But if you want to get the newest episode, you're going to want to go to TimCast.com.

01:40:17.000 Justin Bell says, Tim, just wanted to say thank you for starting this process of healing the divide.

01:40:21.000 We all mess up, and after last week, that was good.

01:40:23.000 I will disagree and say I actually think I was being aggressive in the beginning to begin with, and I don't, like, like, the stuff that we were getting sent that made me really angry, uh, wasn't coming from Jeremy, so for me to then take it out on him, that was my fault in the first place.

01:40:39.000 So, I don't think I should get credit for a healing, healing a divide.

01:40:42.000 I can, I can get, I don't know, you can say, good job on chilling the F out, I suppose.

01:40:48.000 Look, I, I, I sincerely mean it, I don't want to fight with people who I agree with. 1.00

01:40:51.000 That's stupid. 0.99

01:40:52.000 Alright, let's see. 1.00

01:40:53.000 Uh, where we go?

01:40:57.000 Matthew Valesquez says, Tim, if Elon Musk can buy Twitter, then you can hire James O'Keefe.

01:41:01.000 This is your Elon moment, dude.

01:41:03.000 You know, I gotta be honest, like, when we heard that James O'Keefe got ousted, I was like, can we get him on the phone here?

01:41:09.000 We don't have the legal wherewithal to handle a project-level operation.

01:41:14.000 When we get people coming to us about stuff, I always just direct them to Veritas.

01:41:17.000 I just say, guys, like, they're the ones with the legal apparatus to deal with the stuff, not us.

01:41:21.000 However, that being said, if James is looking to start a new organization... If you build it, they will come.

01:41:27.000 A non-profit that can, I'm willing to bet that all the donors will follow James O'Keefe, the ideological leader and founder of the organization.

01:41:37.000 But you know, I will say, James, and he's even explicit, it's not about him.

01:41:40.000 It's about the movement itself.

01:41:41.000 And if Project Veritas continues on without James, and then James starts a new organization, and now there's two places that whistleblowers can go to, all the better.

01:41:49.000 Seth Weathers says, I hope James ate the sandwich.

01:41:53.000 Like, that's the thing, too.

01:41:54.000 It's like, that's why they're firing the guy?

01:41:57.000 Because they watched him take a sandwich from somebody?

01:41:59.000 Even if that was true, I'd be like, what?

01:42:01.000 Like, if Ian walked up to another employee and grabbed their sandwich, I'd just be like, don't do that, I guess?

01:42:05.000 Like, I don't, people would be like, yo, Ian took my sandwich.

01:42:08.000 We'd be like, all right, well, we'll tell him not to do that.

01:42:09.000 Yeah, it's kind of self-correcting, I think.

01:42:11.000 Could you imagine if we called you in for like a six-hour meeting where we're like, you took our sandwich!

01:42:14.000 And we're like slamming.

01:42:15.000 What was on the sandwich?

01:42:16.000 Go make another sandwich, Ian.

01:42:18.000 Go make it.

01:42:19.000 Or you ate the sandwich.

01:42:22.000 All right.

01:42:23.000 Marion Holtzman says, The serious case is that James O'Keefe covers.

01:42:27.000 I would think he needs to run a very tight organization.

01:42:29.000 For those dropping the ball, fire them.

01:42:31.000 I agree.

01:42:32.000 I absolutely agree.

01:42:33.000 But I think because it's a it's a nonprofit, there's three directors on the board.

01:42:36.000 So James never had full control of that thing.

01:42:39.000 It was always him and at least two other people.

01:42:42.000 Jeremy Hernan says, glad to see you and Jeremy Barry the hatchet.

01:42:44.000 Love you both.

01:42:45.000 You should really try again to bring him on.

01:42:47.000 He says he doesn't like flying.

01:42:48.000 So it is what it is.

01:42:50.000 But yeah, man, look, I've had people on this show who I who I genuinely think are bad people.

01:42:56.000 And it's like, Of all the people I should be mad at, I don't know, I just felt in the end, I'm kind of like, we've had, it's definitely not him.

01:43:06.000 It's like, we've had people on the show who are legitimate grifters who pretend like they, or literally don't know what's going on in the world.

01:43:12.000 And without calling anybody out, it's typically like, you know, left-leaning people.

01:43:15.000 Man, I wanted to get in there and start calling names out.

01:43:19.000 Well, look, there are some good left-wing people we've had on the show who are genuinely ignorant, and then there's some sophists who have been on the show and, like, intentionally mislead.

01:43:29.000 And I'm like, that's the kind of stuff I'm mad about, you know what I mean?

01:43:32.000 Yeah, I like the people that come on ignorantly and learn, because that's what I did.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, I mean, respect to the Krasinskys for listening to me just go off for 20 minutes about Ukraine and Gazprom and the Qatar-Turkey pipeline and Nord Stream and all that stuff.

01:43:44.000 Oh, and you guys see that Seymour Hersh, I think, article?

01:43:46.000 The U.S.

01:43:47.000 and Norway destroyed Nord Stream 2.

01:43:50.000 Yeah, that's bad news.

01:43:52.000 Is that news?

01:43:52.000 I don't know, but the fact of the matter is, If you give Russia more reason to accuse the U.S.

01:44:03.000 of stuff, then it's going to be an escalation.

01:44:06.000 And so, regardless of who knew what or whatever, the fact that Russia can now say, look, here's more evidence, the U.S.

01:44:16.000 is blah blah blah, that means NATO is, that means it's justifying escalation.

01:44:20.000 And this whole thing could very easily get way out of hand.

01:44:26.000 And that way out of hand is talking about the possible nuclear exchange between the U.S.

01:44:31.000 and Russia.

01:44:32.000 Whether it be unlikely or not, whether you think it's unlikely or not, I don't think that that really matters because It's like, I carry a gun.

01:44:41.000 It's unlikely that I'm going to ever have to use my gun, but I carry the gun because of what happens if I need a gun.

01:44:49.000 The result of a nuclear exchange is so catastrophic, you have to treat it as if it's always a possibility because The result is the end of, you know, possibly the end of modern civilization.

01:45:03.000 We can't go to war with Russia.

01:45:04.000 Absolutely not.

01:45:05.000 I'm willing to end the world over which country owns Crimea. 0.95

01:45:08.000 Phil, I don't know about you.

01:45:10.000 I mean, I was thinking about it and I was like, you know, nuclear annihilation and the end of humanity is worth it for a small Sorry to go on about this, but it's so frustrating to hear people say, oh, well, you know, Russia's going to go and make a move on other NATO countries and stuff.

01:45:28.000 And it's like, the reason that we have NATO and the reason that Ukraine is not in NATO is because of Ukraine's history with Russia.

01:45:38.000 If we were to go ahead and say, well, everyone that Russia gets into some kind of conflict with, we just go ahead and fold them into NATO and then attack Russia, you might as well not have NATO and just initiate a first strike against Russia. 0.51

01:45:52.000 Not endorsing that, but I'm saying like... I am.

01:45:54.000 Might as well not have NATO part, at least.

01:45:56.000 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:56.000 That I'm saying.

01:45:57.000 I'm saying initiating the first strike is part of it.

01:45:59.000 We got this one from Nick Williams, says, John Fetterman is in the hospital.

01:46:01.000 Everyone punch your 2023 bingo cards.

01:46:03.000 I heard that last night, actually.

01:46:04.000 Did you guys watch the new South Park?

01:46:07.000 No, but I saw you tweeting about it, and I can't wait to watch it.

01:46:09.000 Who is they?

01:46:10.000 Yeah, yup.

01:46:11.000 So, it's about Cartman has Cupid Ye, which is floating around wearing his hoodie, and it's telling a token that black people are the real Jews or whatever. 0.81

01:46:23.000 I want to get Matt and Trey out of here.

01:46:27.000 There's a scene where Cartman is in bed, and Cupid Ye mentions they, and then he says, who is they?

01:46:33.000 And so, uh, you know, we, we, we indirectly got our, got our mockery from some.

01:46:38.000 I love those guys.

01:46:38.000 I love it.

01:46:39.000 They're tapped in, man.

01:46:40.000 And then the credits, I noticed something it said, like, written, written by Matt Stone, directed by Matt Stone, special assistant to Matt Stone, Trey Parker.

01:46:47.000 And I'm like, is that a joke?

01:46:49.000 Or is legit one of them just like, maybe Trey took the month off.

01:46:51.000 Yeah.

01:46:52.000 Right.

01:46:53.000 All right.

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:54.000 Fetterman's in the hospital, man.

01:46:55.000 That sucks. 0.98

01:46:56.000 They said, I heard that he had a second stroke. 1.00

01:46:58.000 Could be complete BS.

01:46:59.000 I don't know.

01:46:59.000 That's just terror.

01:47:00.000 It's terrifying, man.

01:47:01.000 So who's the lieutenant governor?

01:47:02.000 Or, no, he's not the governor.

01:47:05.000 Never mind.

01:47:05.000 I'm sorry.

01:47:05.000 Brain fart.

01:47:06.000 His wife. 0.97

01:47:08.000 She wants it.

01:47:10.000 So, if something happens to him, do they have, like, just another runoff or something like that?

01:47:13.000 Or how would they replay it?

01:47:15.000 Would the governor appoint a senator?

01:47:17.000 I have no idea.

01:47:18.000 I don't know.

01:47:19.000 Do you know how that works, Tim?

01:47:20.000 If something happens?

01:47:21.000 Would it happen to John?

01:47:21.000 He can't serve.

01:47:22.000 Does someone get appointed?

01:47:23.000 Yeah, they appoint someone, I think.

01:47:24.000 Is the governor... His wife.

01:47:29.000 The speculation from a lot of people was that he would be forced out due to a medical issue and then they would put his wife in.

01:47:34.000 I'm kidding.

01:47:35.000 That was just a joke because everyone that makes a joke that his wife runs everything anyway. 1.00

01:47:38.000 She does.

01:47:39.000 I'm gonna be sick.

01:47:40.000 I think she planned it somehow. 0.66

01:47:42.000 I'm gonna vomit.

01:47:45.000 All right, let's see.

01:47:46.000 By the way, Tower Gang endorsed Fetterman.

01:47:47.000 I just want to throw that out there.

01:47:49.000 Yeah, for the comedy.

01:47:51.000 Unironically.

01:47:52.000 Unironically.

01:47:53.000 I would have voted for him.

01:47:54.000 Michael Malice did too, didn't he?

01:47:55.000 I think so.

01:47:56.000 Yeah, he was like, are you kidding?

01:47:57.000 We gotta have that guy.

01:47:58.000 I mean, even then, he's such a great representation of everything we hate.

01:48:00.000 I want a Congress full of Fettermans. 1.00

01:48:02.000 All vegetables who can't get anything done.

01:48:04.000 That's perfect.

01:48:06.000 This is a good one here from Figgy Merman.

01:48:08.000 He says, James O'Keefe is the only person Project Veritas has exposed as a bad person without any video.

01:48:14.000 Yeah, where's the video, guys?

01:48:15.000 Come on, it's Project Veritas.

01:48:17.000 It's the only time they've accused someone of malfeasance without evidence.

01:48:20.000 Good point.

01:48:22.000 I just don't believe it!

01:48:23.000 We're Project Veritas L. Yeah.

01:48:27.000 And James O'Keefe is Project Veritas.

01:48:30.000 Like, often when we talk about it, we don't even say veterans, we say James O'Keefe.

01:48:33.000 James O'Keefe releases.

01:48:34.000 James O'Keefe exposes.

01:48:35.000 He is the face.

01:48:36.000 He doesn't want to be thought of as the thing.

01:48:39.000 I know he's told me that to my face.

01:48:40.000 Like, it's a movement that he's a part of, and he's become kind of an icon in the movement.

01:48:45.000 He is.

01:48:45.000 But it is a great movement, greater than all of us.

01:48:49.000 Alright, let's grab some more.

01:48:52.000 El Jefe says, Part of Fighting Together, Tim, is denouncing your plan to host a drag show.

01:48:57.000 You can't promote sexual lewdness while claiming to fight sexual lewdness.

01:49:00.000 No, there is a point in that drag show. 0.99

01:49:02.000 So I said, I'm going to put on the biggest, the, the, uh, Jen Kugler of the Young Turks was like, if I could afford it, I'd put on a big drag show.

01:49:08.000 And I'm like, Okay, then I'll do it.

01:49:10.000 We're going to put on the biggest drag show.

01:49:12.000 We're going to have a bunch of, you know, drag performers. 1.00

01:49:15.000 And there will be free food and drinks.

01:49:17.000 21 and over, of course, because of the drinking.

01:49:19.000 And there should be no problems, right?

01:49:21.000 Nobody should have anything to complain about?

01:49:23.000 It's funny, when I said that, no leftists said anything.

01:49:25.000 They immediately just dropped the subject.

01:49:27.000 It's like, are you really going to come out and rebut and be like, but let the kids in!

01:49:30.000 And I'll be like, there's alcohol.

01:49:32.000 Right.

01:49:32.000 I've heard it's fun.

01:49:33.000 anyone know. So look man, I'm not a staunch conservative. I have no problem with burlesque. You know, if people want to

01:49:41.000 go to a show and there's women and they do their burlesque 1.00

01:49:43.000 thing, and if it's drag, I don't do the thing. It's just not for 1.00

01:49:44.000 kids.

01:49:45.000 Just heard it's fun. No kids. I mean, ain't my cup of tea.

01:49:49.000 I've seen those videos and I'm like, I would not enjoy whatever

01:49:51.000 that But I don't know.

01:49:54.000 Some people like watching boxing.

01:49:55.000 I'm not a fan of boxing.

01:49:56.000 I'd rather watch MMA.

01:49:57.000 Look, I've watched RuPaul's Drag Show, and that's funny.

01:50:01.000 That show's funny, but I don't know if I'm going to go to a bar to see a drag show. 0.99

01:50:06.000 I've heard they're pretty, like there's a place I think in like Florida called Hamburger Mary's where they do that.

01:50:10.000 I've heard, I mean, some people tell me it's like fun because they make it comedic, it's like a whole show, but it's not for kids.

01:50:16.000 I mean, I don't know, it doesn't sound like my thing, but I don't know, maybe I would enjoy it.

01:50:19.000 I don't know, I've never tried it.

01:50:22.000 All right.

01:50:22.000 Feeling Dangerous says, hey, I just want my super chat read.

01:50:25.000 LMAO.

01:50:26.000 Well, there you go.

01:50:26.000 Bring Jim Jordan on again.

01:50:28.000 He was awesome.

01:50:29.000 Would love a full episode.

01:50:30.000 Well, so, you know, here's what happens.

01:50:32.000 We get Matt Gaetz to come on.

01:50:34.000 I'm a big fan.

01:50:34.000 And I thought it was a great episode.

01:50:37.000 Hanging out on Friday night.

01:50:38.000 I could barely talk.

01:50:39.000 So he's just, you know, explaining all of these things.

01:50:42.000 When he when he mentioned the Pelosi's or Paul Pelosi buying that stock on the what was it on the dip?

01:50:47.000 And then the bills get killed.

01:50:48.000 Don't make it to the floor.

01:50:49.000 That's that's that's crazy.

01:50:52.000 So I get reached out, Bobert's team reaches out and said, you know, they're going to be doing this big hearing, so we'd love to do a show with you, but getting out to you guys is very difficult.

01:51:01.000 Can you come to us?

01:51:02.000 Because here's how it basically works.

01:51:04.000 For them, they're getting prepped all day for a hearing and they're sitting there questioning, you know, executives.

01:51:10.000 They can't come out here until the very last minute.

01:51:13.000 But we have employees who could go there, set up, and then once they're done with their hearings, run in, sit down, and talk to us.

01:51:20.000 And they basically were like, if you can come out here and do it, we'll get everybody to come on the show.

01:51:25.000 And I was like, I mean, dude, that sounds incredible.

01:51:27.000 So getting to meet Jim Jordan, having him come on and explain a lot of this stuff was really great.

01:51:32.000 Matt Gaetz walked right in, started dropping a bunch of F-bombs.

01:51:35.000 It was fantastic.

01:51:36.000 I'm like, this guy from Congress here is just cussing up a storm on this live show to hundreds of thousands of people.

01:51:41.000 Also, the staff was Awesome!

01:51:43.000 You guys rock and the amount of work they do like 6 a.m.

01:51:46.000 to 10 11 p.m.

01:51:47.000 every day like it's five days a week it is like you might from a TV it might look like they don't do a lot but my lord are they invested in what they're doing there yeah shout out to the Bobert staff by the way as well I appreciate all the help Calvin Torgensen says shout out to Ian on his Brittany Venti video you strike me as a very genuine and curious person thank you so much thank you sir What was your video?

01:52:07.000 I made a video about two o'clock today about the whole thing.

01:52:10.000 I was getting videos.

01:52:11.000 There was a video of me and Eliza from back in the day where we were hugging and cuddling and hanging out with Adam and Nishra back in their house, drinking whiskey.

01:52:18.000 And it was like, what's up?

01:52:19.000 What's wrong with Ian?

01:52:20.000 And I'm like, I'm making a video.

01:52:21.000 I'm done.

01:52:22.000 I'm not playing this in text.

01:52:23.000 I'm not doing it in text.

01:52:24.000 So I just made a video, as straightforward as I can be.

01:52:26.000 It came out 13 minutes long.

01:52:28.000 I've got my periodic chart behind me.

01:52:30.000 Check it out.

01:52:30.000 Ian Crossland on YouTube.

01:52:32.000 There you go.

01:52:34.000 All right, what do we have?

01:52:35.000 John L says, have to send Phil love for his music, but Death Punch deserves credit for lining the dream on COVID, and welcome to the circus, the world today.

01:52:44.000 All right.

01:52:45.000 I love, I love the guys in Five Finger Death Punch, and I appreciate the kudos.

01:52:48.000 I'm not sure exactly what you meant, but the guys in Five Finger- It's a competition, Phil.

01:52:51.000 They're, they're, they're sweethearts.

01:52:52.000 They're wonderful people.

01:52:53.000 I love them all, so. 0.99

01:52:55.000 Duke says, call these clowns out, Tim. 0.99

01:52:58.000 Trump is Trump. 1.00

01:52:58.000 He is just Trump. 1.00

01:52:59.000 Flannel Guy is a clown. 0.99

01:53:01.000 I'll continue to give to you if you call Flannel Guy out. 0.99

01:53:05.000 I'll do it. 1.00

01:53:06.000 Flannel Guy, you're a clown. 0.99

01:53:08.000 Thank you. 0.99

01:53:08.000 That's my favorite thing about Flannel Guy, though. 0.99

01:53:12.000 I am known for evoking reactions from people, so.

01:53:16.000 Well, you know, flannel guy, look, Donald Trump is the greatest president we've ever had, and I think you owe him an apology.

01:53:23.000 Yeah, get to it, flannel guy!

01:53:26.000 Donald Trump, I will apologize to you if you come on Tower Gang.

01:53:29.000 That is my stipulation.

01:53:31.000 I'm so sorry, I was being mean, please.

01:53:34.000 I genuinely think Trump is the best president of my life.

01:53:38.000 Oh, I agree, of my life.

01:53:40.000 I mean, it's a bar that's buried under the ground, but he is the best.

01:53:45.000 Was he like the only one who didn't sort of start a war?

01:53:47.000 He was ending them, you know?

01:53:50.000 I'll take what I can get.

01:53:51.000 It's a low bar, like you said, so it's like, I'll take it.

01:53:53.000 Very low bar.

01:53:57.000 There's a lot to be said about Donald Trump.

01:53:59.000 I think he really did want to keep his promises.

01:54:00.000 I think he really did try.

01:54:01.000 I just think he brought on bad people. 0.98

01:54:04.000 I think he's brash and he's arrogant.

01:54:06.000 What do you think about him campaigning with Lindsey Graham? 0.52

01:54:09.000 Is that a good sign that he's learned his lesson?

01:54:11.000 Right now, no.

01:54:12.000 And that's why we have a lot of people being like, maybe DeSantis is the guy.

01:54:17.000 Yeah.

01:54:17.000 Who do you see as a president?

01:54:19.000 Nobody.

01:54:20.000 What about Rand Paul?

01:54:22.000 Rand Paul?

01:54:22.000 I mean, yeah, I don't know if that's realistic, but that would be way better than anything else we have.

01:54:27.000 So you just wouldn't campaign if you don't see someone you like?

01:54:30.000 I mean, Dave Smith, he's talked about it.

01:54:32.000 I love the idea.

01:54:33.000 But frankly, I've given up on the idea of fixing our federal government.

01:54:37.000 I think it's 100% local.

01:54:40.000 I think you gotta find a place that you think you can invest in.

01:54:43.000 I'm all in on the Free State Project at this point.

01:54:46.000 I'm all about, like, if Dave wants to run for president and try to, you know, send a message and attract people to these ideas, I think it's great, but hoping that we're gonna have any sort of, like, political revolution to save this mess, I think it's just, there's no way.

01:54:59.000 I think it's... This, uh, Duke here gave us another super chat, a huge one, $200.

01:55:03.000 Whoa.

01:55:04.000 He really doesn't like you.

01:55:05.000 That's awesome.

01:55:06.000 Yeah.

01:55:07.000 Well, you know, shout out.

01:55:08.000 Thanks for the superchats, man.

01:55:09.000 You keep bringing them back.

01:55:10.000 I want to make sure that... I mean, if Duke keeps giving us this level of money, I mean, maybe we... No, I'm just kidding.

01:55:15.000 I'm just kidding, Duke.

01:55:16.000 I appreciate the superchats.

01:55:17.000 Just call me Flannel Clown to, like, you know... Flannel Clown?

01:55:20.000 Yeah, Flannel Clown.

01:55:22.000 Can you tell Reid what Duke called him, please?

01:55:27.000 Can you tell Reid what Duke called him?

01:55:29.000 What, the flannel guy?

01:55:30.000 Hair plus flannel guy?

01:55:31.000 That's what he called him.

01:55:32.000 I don't think we can say the other thing.

01:55:33.000 That's what I'm thinking!

01:55:34.000 No, we're not allowed to say the other one.

01:55:35.000 I'll tell you later.

01:55:37.000 If we do it in tower form, I think we're alright.

01:55:39.000 Oh yeah, let's tower it.

01:55:40.000 No, no, there's kids listening.

01:55:43.000 Drizz says, bro, I'm proud of you and Jeremy.

01:55:48.000 Call out the bad, give credit where credit is due.

01:55:49.000 Respect, man.

01:55:51.000 Yeah, I think you guys are allowed to be mad at me.

01:55:54.000 Hopefully we can just move on and focus the fight on the issues that matter substantially more.

01:56:00.000 I just don't see there... I hope Stephen Crowd and the Daily Wire guys eventually get to a point where they're like, you know...

01:56:07.000 Okay, whatever.

01:56:08.000 We're doing important things.

01:56:10.000 It got to this point with Veritas where I'm just like, yo, if this keeps happening, we're done.

01:56:14.000 It's over.

01:56:14.000 It's over in six months.

01:56:15.000 That was what my video was about today.

01:56:16.000 It was a little bit about Eliza.

01:56:17.000 It was really about Brittany getting her account banned.

01:56:19.000 I'm really concerned with social media overreach right now.

01:56:21.000 Even though we got a hero in Twitter, a lot of people think Elon's the hero.

01:56:24.000 It doesn't mean that people can't go crazy.

01:56:26.000 So I went on and on about that.

01:56:29.000 Let's stay focused on censorship and make sure that's done righteously.

01:56:32.000 Backhand187 says, first ever Super Chat, the easy fix to the Eliza Blue story, Tim, is to have Brittany Venti on the show.

01:56:38.000 Yes!

01:56:38.000 Agreed.

01:56:39.000 And we also, I'm planning on having Shane Cashman on with Chrissy Mayer.

01:56:43.000 So I think we can just, as a means to be like, we're gonna hash all this out.

01:56:48.000 Because we pride ourselves on being the people who sit down and talk about things that are controversial.

01:56:54.000 And we complain when people refuse to show up to debate these issues, so we will have that conversation, and I'm hoping we can do it next week.

01:57:02.000 The reality is this would be special privileges, in a sense, in that we're booked up for like three or four weeks out or longer, but I'm pretty sure we can find a way to have Chrissy and Shane come in.

01:57:15.000 and then do... I think tomorrow would be the best day. I don't know if it's possible.

01:57:19.000 Tomorrow, considering, one, we had this conversation today and kind of hashed things

01:57:22.000 out as it was. I apologized. Jeremy apologized. I don't know if Jeremy needs to apologize as

01:57:28.000 much as I probably do, because I was being a dick and being very arrogant on Twitter. I can accept 0.86

01:57:31.000 that. But Fridays are good days to just kind of chill and just talk about everything. But I feel

01:57:37.000 bad for the guests we already have booked.

01:57:38.000 I don't want to ram them into this conversation, but we'll figure it out.

01:57:42.000 Maybe some point next week we'll get this going.

01:57:44.000 Christie's in New York.

01:57:45.000 That's not too far, right?

01:57:46.000 Yeah, super.

01:57:47.000 And I think Shea might be around.

01:57:49.000 I genuinely think, as I'm looking through this, I hope people understand.

01:57:55.000 Maybe we'll get into the specifics on what was being sent to us.

01:57:58.000 Because that triggered us.

01:58:00.000 That triggered me.

01:58:02.000 The things being sent to my friends and that kind of stuff, I'm like, bro, you come with my friends, I'm done.

01:58:07.000 I will shut this whole company down if people threaten my friends.

01:58:12.000 But I got to thinking, Jeremy didn't do that.

01:58:14.000 I'm being baited, man.

01:58:16.000 I'm being tricked. 0.99

01:58:16.000 And if someone wants to shut your company down and they'll send you shit about your friends, that's bad. 0.99

01:58:20.000 Exactly. 0.94

01:58:21.000 And if I'm not being tricked, I shouldn't be fighting with people who agree with me because we're mad about one thing. 1.00

01:58:26.000 That's stupid. 0.98

01:58:27.000 I know, I said it 800 times, so I'll just try and read some more superchats. 1.00

01:58:32.000 Duke sent us another superchat!

01:58:35.000 Tim, why the hell would you have haircut and flannel guy on?

01:58:37.000 Bad timing, I'm done with you. 0.97

01:58:38.000 Bro, come on, you told me if I called him out you'd stick around.

01:58:41.000 Keep sending money, buddy.

01:58:43.000 It's only increasing our chances of coming back.

01:58:45.000 I read his superchats.

01:58:45.000 People are allowed to criticize our guests.

01:58:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:48.000 I mean, obviously we're talking about the Eliza Blue thing now.

01:58:50.000 That got to a point, you know?

01:58:52.000 I hope I somehow become more controversial.

01:58:55.000 I'm a huge fan.

01:58:55.000 I don't think it's going to happen.

01:58:57.000 Our audience is split between MAGA and Libertarian.

01:59:02.000 There's an overlap between them.

01:59:04.000 So I think most people are just going to be like, well, you know, they're Libertarians.

01:59:07.000 They're alright.

01:59:08.000 We don't want to ground Trump.

01:59:10.000 Doc Holliday says, Tim, thank you for the humility.

01:59:12.000 None of us are reasonable people.

01:59:13.000 None of us reasonable people wanted you to change your opinion or disavow anyone.

01:59:17.000 We just wanted acknowledgement as you are big enough to call attention to the censorship.

01:59:20.000 Thank you.

01:59:20.000 Fight on.

01:59:21.000 So we got a message from someone saying, I will not support you if you don't disavow this person.

01:59:26.000 And so I said, F you. 1.00

01:59:27.000 Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. 1.00

01:59:29.000 And then we got an email from that person saying, yo, that was not me. 0.99

01:59:32.000 Someone made a fake account using that name.

01:59:34.000 I am still a member.

01:59:35.000 I'm not leaving.

01:59:35.000 And we were like, ah, that made me be like, yo, we're getting played.

01:59:40.000 We're getting played.

01:59:41.000 People are faking us.

01:59:43.000 We're getting played, man.

01:59:44.000 But whatever, you know what?

01:59:46.000 If there are people who are legitimately mad or whatever, then they can keep being mad at me.

01:59:51.000 I just, I don't know, whatever.

01:59:51.000 I'm a guy complaining in it for a living.

01:59:53.000 All right.

01:59:54.000 Jay Walker says, tell Phil he accidentally blocked me on the bird app at Walker Jerry.

01:59:59.000 It wasn't an accident.

02:00:02.000 The thing is, my opinion on the Byrd app is the same as Michael Malice.

02:00:07.000 It is, like, block loosely for whatever, because my experience on the Byrd app is my experience, it's not your experience, and I have no desire to listen to people that are just going to flame me.

02:00:22.000 Come and say something polite, I'll respond.

02:00:24.000 I probably respond more than most people.

02:00:27.000 I'm on the bird app too much.

02:00:28.000 But if you come and you're snarky and I don't know you or you think that you know me and stuff, I might just go ahead and block you.

02:00:34.000 You know, something I realized through all this is that your social media status with someone is not indicative of your friendship with them.

02:00:40.000 I have friends that I am not friends with on social media because we just annoy each other in text.

02:00:45.000 But he's my good friend.

02:00:47.000 Yep.

02:00:48.000 Me and Jason Richardson doesn't follow me on Twitter because I drive him nuts, but we just spent all last week hanging out, being buddy-buddy.

02:00:56.000 You know, big hugs when I see him, big hugs when I leave, because we get along famously when we're hanging out together.

02:01:02.000 We just disagree on some political stuff, and so he doesn't follow me, and I'm not mad at him for it, you know?

02:01:08.000 All right, last one.

02:01:09.000 Mike Daly says, your podcast last night was one of the most important podcasts ever.

02:01:13.000 Thank you!

02:01:15.000 Two of the microphones didn't work, and we know why.

02:01:18.000 It's a driver issue with the channels, that the computer doesn't pick up two of them and you only get two or whatever.

02:01:26.000 But the good news is, you see, the members of Congress were really excited to be able to do a show in that fashion.

02:01:31.000 Imagine if Tucker Carlson was like, we're bringing the studio to your office, you can come on the show.

02:01:34.000 They'd be like, whoa!

02:01:36.000 But it's harder for him to do that.

02:01:37.000 Easier for us.

02:01:38.000 Albeit, it was difficult. 0.96

02:01:39.000 I mean, Serge and Andrew really pulled it together and busted ass to make that happen. 0.89

02:01:42.000 Yeah, very last second, honestly. 0.89

02:01:44.000 What was that like?

02:01:45.000 It was great.

02:01:45.000 I got to walk around in Congress.

02:01:47.000 They got the Dunkin' Donuts in there.

02:01:48.000 Yeah, that was cool.

02:01:49.000 They have a Baskin Robbins next to it, too.

02:01:50.000 They have a Dunkin' in Congress?

02:01:52.000 Yeah, people are buying, like, you know, literally pints of ice cream.

02:01:57.000 It was kind of crazy to see.

02:01:59.000 As a New Englander, I'm happy to hear that Duncan is in Congress.

02:02:03.000 Smells good.

02:02:03.000 But we're gonna do it again.

02:02:05.000 Because following that, we get some messages from other staffers being like, why didn't we think of this?

02:02:11.000 Can we do it again?

02:02:12.000 I'm like, you tell me when.

02:02:14.000 Because this is why we came to the D.C.

02:02:16.000 We're about an hour or so outside of D.C.

02:02:18.000 Hour 20, hour 30.

02:02:19.000 And I'm like, that's the point.

02:02:21.000 Because this is the seat of politics.

02:02:23.000 I hate to see D.C.

02:02:24.000 by the way.

02:02:25.000 But we can do things like this.

02:02:27.000 So I think we're probably gonna get more shows.

02:02:29.000 And they'll be set up way better with better lighting.

02:02:32.000 This was like a last minute thing where it was like Friday, hey can you come out?

02:02:35.000 And I'm like, let me see if we can figure it out.

02:02:37.000 Serge had to figure out building the mobile setup and getting all the equipment.

02:02:40.000 We didn't even know where the equipment was.

02:02:41.000 We're like, we gotta go find it, because it's in storage.

02:02:43.000 Took a while.

02:02:44.000 I was so stressed, guys, my hair fell out.

02:02:46.000 That's right.

02:02:47.000 But now that we've gone through all that, we're talking with other members, and we think we'll be able to set up the show and do another one relatively soon, which would just be really, really great.

02:03:00.000 So the idea is, the next time there's a big hearing, and we want follow-up and conversation on that stuff, especially the weaponization of government hearings, That's the most important thing, in my opinion, going right now.

02:03:11.000 Exactly.

02:03:11.000 Imagine we set up right after they do those hearings.

02:03:13.000 We sit down with Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Boebert, et cetera, and the crew, Ana Paulina Luna, and are able to talk about these... Byron Donalds?

02:03:22.000 And Cross Isle.

02:03:23.000 That's really exciting.

02:03:24.000 A lot of people in the chat were super chatting.

02:03:25.000 They want to see people from both sides of the political aisle coming together and talking about these crazy things.

02:03:30.000 I mean, if they can get a Democrat who wants to come on, and they agree to have a conversation about the weaponization of government, and we agree to keep that in the...

02:03:39.000 I would be, look, my concern is if we had someone like Ilhan Omar or AOC, we'd get into the tribal issues, we'd get into cultural issues that we disagree on.

02:03:48.000 But if there is common ground where we can solve a real problem and we agree, okay, we'll put aside these other things and we'll specifically talk about the thing we agree on and agree not to attack each other, I think at least that conversation is better than nothing.

02:04:02.000 Maybe there's an opportunity there, like talking about war, foreign policy and stuff, and then we'll agree not to go after cultural character and things like that.

02:04:11.000 But I'll leave it there.

02:04:12.000 My friends, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, and become a member at TimCast.com if you want to watch the members-only uncensored show where we'll tell you how we really feel.

02:04:24.000 I'm kidding.

02:04:24.000 But we will swear a lot more.

02:04:26.000 We did swear a bit in this episode because I figured, you know what, screw it.

02:04:29.000 Matt went off a little bit and started swearing.

02:04:30.000 We'll swear towards the end of this one.

02:04:32.000 But we're going to talk about some more cultural issues over at TimCast.com, which should be up in about one hour.

02:04:37.000 So thank you all for your support.

02:04:38.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.

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02:04:44.000 Tower Gang guys, you want to shout anything out?

02:04:45.000 Uh, yeah.

02:04:46.000 We have the Tower Gang show.

02:04:48.000 It goes on YouTube and Rumble live every Wednesday at 9-11.

02:04:52.000 I also have my other show, No Way Jose.

02:04:56.000 Yeah, you get it.

02:04:57.000 That's a real time, too.

02:04:58.000 Obvious joke is obvious.

02:05:00.000 But anyways, then I have my No Way Jose show.

02:05:03.000 You know, that's on YouTube.

02:05:05.000 All the major auto-pocketers obviously as well.

02:05:06.000 Go check out my OKC playlist.

02:05:09.000 And you follow me at TowerGangJose if you want to follow me on Twitter.

02:05:12.000 Yeah, and I'm also a co-host on Tower Gang.

02:05:14.000 I have my show, The Naturalist Capitalist.

02:05:17.000 That is on YouTube, Rumble, Odyssey for video.

02:05:20.000 It's on all audio streaming platforms as well.

02:05:24.000 Also, I'm on Free Talk Live every Thursday night out of Keene, New Hampshire from 7 to 10.

02:05:30.000 And I do the Four Horsemen Show once a month with my friends Ryan Dawson and Eric Jackman.

02:05:36.000 Go check them out on Twitter.

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02:05:40.000 And you can follow me on Twitter at Reed Coverdale.

02:05:44.000 Also on Instagram and on Telegram.

02:05:48.000 at Reed Coverdale. 0.99

02:05:49.000 And if you think libertarians are kind of lame and gay, sometimes that's right. 0.97

02:05:55.000 So go follow the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire because we're way more based and bold than the rest of the libertarians out there at LPNH. 0.98

02:06:02.000 And check out the Free State Project.

02:06:04.000 Think about moving to New Hampshire if you want to make a difference for liberty in your lifetime.

02:06:08.000 That's all I got to say.

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02:06:20.000 Phil, I'm glad you're back.

02:06:21.000 I love you.

02:06:21.000 I think you're going to be here for a while, huh?

02:06:23.000 Well, I have nothing planned for, like, All That Remains-y stuff for the next at least month and a half.

02:06:30.000 Oh, you're playing me one before the show.

02:06:31.000 I like.

02:06:32.000 Yeah, we were busy out there.

02:06:33.000 We got some cool stuff, man.

02:06:35.000 There's some really great... The best All That Remains is still yet to come.

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02:06:45.000 Let's do this.

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02:06:47.000 This was awesome.

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02:06:49.000 It was great.

02:06:50.000 Great conversation.

02:06:51.000 Awesome.

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02:06:58.000 And also, I think that's about it.

02:07:01.000 We need an open source large language model.

02:07:04.000 We'll get into that a little later.

02:07:06.000 Bye, everyone.

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