Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - LIVE From Congress With Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, & Anna Paulina Luna

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00:00:49.000 We're coming to you live from the congressional offices of Congresswoman Lauren Boebert.

00:00:54.000 We are in the Capitol, and we're going to have an awesome array of guests to talk about a lot of what's been going on.

00:01:00.000 So, the other day, of course, we had the State of the Union Address from Joe Biden, which was interesting to me.

00:01:05.000 It sounded a lot like another campaign speech, where he actually said a lot of things were really bad.

00:01:09.000 That was surprising, like this person's dying of cancer and this person, you know, there

00:01:12.000 was a mass shooting and this bad thing happened and this is police brutality.

00:01:16.000 And I found it interesting that he talked about really bad things, but then went on

00:01:18.000 to say, don't worry, things will get better.

00:01:20.000 I do find that interesting.

00:01:21.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:01:23.000 While he was speaking, he lied about several things and was booed by members of the Republican

00:01:27.000 Party.

00:01:28.000 And then of course, we had today a hearing with the Twitter executives from before Elon

00:01:32.000 Musk.

00:01:33.000 And we had some, I think, justified questions as well as some performative outrage.

00:01:37.000 So we're going to be hanging out with a slew of Republican members of Congress to talk about just about everything.

00:01:43.000 And I gotta tell you guys, I hope you can hear it, and I hope it's coming in.

00:01:47.000 Serge and Andrew were able to put this podcast studio together in a matter of a couple hours.

00:01:52.000 We, like, rushed from the studio, bring it down, there's cameras and everything set up.

00:01:56.000 And I gotta admit, it was quite difficult.

00:01:58.000 Some things weren't working, but I think we figured out to a good enough degree that we're actually gonna be able to do a show.

00:02:03.000 But we're probably not gonna have any clips or displays or articles.

00:02:06.000 We're just gonna talk about what's going on.

00:02:07.000 So it should be fun.

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00:02:13.000 We're going to have a members-only show, of course, tonight.

00:02:15.000 At least that's the hope.

00:02:16.000 So we'll be here late at the congressional offices.

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00:02:27.000 Joining us tonight, we have sitting with us right now is Congressman Lauren Boebert.

00:02:34.000 So great to be here.

00:02:35.000 Thanks so much for joining us here in Washington, D.C.

00:02:37.000 in my congressional office.

00:02:38.000 This is fantastic.

00:02:40.000 This is kind of crazy.

00:02:41.000 Yes.

00:02:41.000 It took me two months to set this office up.

00:02:43.000 I just moved in here and we just had to undo everything.

00:02:46.000 Oh, cool.

00:02:46.000 Nice.

00:02:46.000 Totally worth it.

00:02:48.000 It's very cool.

00:02:48.000 And thanks for inviting us.

00:02:49.000 This is kind of wild.

00:02:50.000 We came up with it like the last minute on Friday.

00:02:53.000 Your communications people were like, hey, come and build a studio down here.

00:02:56.000 And I was like, OK, that sounds fun.

00:02:57.000 So creative.

00:02:57.000 I love it.

00:02:59.000 Yeah.

00:02:59.000 So do you want to introduce yourself briefly for those who... I think everybody knows who you are, but...

00:03:07.000 Oh, sorry.

00:03:08.000 Her audio is really low.

00:03:09.000 Do you see that?

00:03:11.000 No audio.

00:03:11.000 Uh-oh.

00:03:12.000 Bring it up.

00:03:14.000 What about that microphone?

00:03:15.000 You see, this is what happens when you build a podcast.

00:03:17.000 Lauren Boebert is the Congresswoman of Colorado.

00:03:20.000 I'm not going to speak for you the whole show.

00:03:21.000 That's weird.

00:03:22.000 I can hear it.

00:03:22.000 Marco.

00:03:22.000 Yeah, I can hear me.

00:03:23.000 Brian says there's no volume on Lauren's mic.

00:03:24.000 That's weird, I can hear it.

00:03:25.000 Marco?

00:03:26.000 Yeah, I can hear me.

00:03:27.000 Brian says there's no volume on Lauren's mic.

00:03:28.000 Okay, I can hear me in the headset.

00:03:29.000 Oh, okay.

00:03:30.000 We're really doing it live, team.

00:03:31.000 Oh, yeah, and Hannah Claire doesn't have no audio on your mic, either.

00:03:37.000 There's no audio on this one?

00:03:39.000 Nope.

00:03:39.000 This is what happens when you try to set up a podcast studio in two hours.

00:03:47.000 I told you guys, I said, I'm surprised we got half as good as we did.

00:03:50.000 You know what?

00:03:51.000 You want to switch seats with me?

00:03:52.000 In the meantime, Lauren, let's come over here and talk to Tim.

00:03:57.000 Well, I'm talking, that worked.

00:03:59.000 And the light is so much brighter over here, too, for some reason.

00:04:05.000 All right, now you can introduce yourself.

00:04:08.000 All right, well, I am Congresswoman Lauren Boebert, and I represent Colorado's third district, so I'm on the western slope of Colorado.

00:04:15.000 That's where I live.

00:04:17.000 And, you know, it's a fantastic district.

00:04:19.000 I represent about half the state of Colorado, and it's a beautiful country.

00:04:24.000 Unfortunately, you know, a lot of Californians have come into Colorado and have been taking over But I didn't want to be in politics.

00:04:31.000 That wasn't my inspiration ever in life.

00:04:34.000 I'm a mom of four boys.

00:04:36.000 I was a small business owner, owned a few restaurants.

00:04:39.000 One of them had a lot of national notoriety, Shooter's Grill.

00:04:42.000 All of the waitresses open carried firearms. 1.00

00:04:45.000 And so that frustration really led me to say, you know, I'm going to do my part to serve.

00:04:50.000 You know, they would say one thing on the campaign trail, and then they would get to

00:04:54.000 where we send them, and they would do something completely different.

00:04:57.000 None of them would govern as they campaigned.

00:04:59.000 And so that frustration really led me to say, you know, I'm going to do my part to serve.

00:05:04.000 I'm going to step up.

00:05:05.000 and do what I can to make things right and get our country back on track.

00:05:10.000 So I'm here, this is my second term in Congress, and it's been amazing to stand up for the people,

00:05:17.000 to fight for the people, and there's been some really fun fights that we've had.

00:05:20.000 Yeah, there's pictures of you yelling at the president, I think.

00:05:23.000 Yeah, a little bit.

00:05:25.000 Well, you know, when, gosh, Joe Biden was going to completely skip over the 13 American heroes who died on his watch in Afghanistan, and I wasn't going to let that happen.

00:05:37.000 And so I was sure to remind him that he sent them home in flag-draped coffins, 13 of them. 0.74

00:05:44.000 And even his press secretary at the time, his spin doctor, Jen Psaki, she came on the next day to say that he didn't have time to talk about them.

00:05:52.000 And he said, you know, that's really evident, actually, because he didn't have time for

00:05:55.000 them when they were brought home to Dover, either.

00:05:58.000 So it's a total disgrace.

00:05:59.000 And actually, last night at the State of the Union, again, he did not mention these 13

00:06:06.000 American heroes who died on his watch from that horrible, shameful withdrawal in Afghanistan.

00:06:15.000 It's the biggest mistake I've ever made. 0.99

00:06:16.000 Damn, well it's a surrender. 0.99

00:06:17.000 He surrendered to America. 1.00

00:06:23.000 Damn, because what he's saying is good. 1.00

00:06:24.000 No, it was a surrender. 1.00

00:06:26.000 You're absolutely right.

00:06:27.000 That was a surrender to the Taliban.

00:06:30.000 And we left $86 billion in military equipment, the finest military equipment in the world, right there in the hands of the Taliban. 0.97

00:06:37.000 You know, I think rather than sending Ukraine $110 billion, we should be going and getting that military equipment instead of sending Ukraine tanks and the fighter jets that they're wanting.

00:06:47.000 Well, let's go get that stuff.

00:06:49.000 Help them out with that. 0.90

00:06:49.000 What is it? 0.90

00:06:51.000 It's the cable's bad.

00:06:53.000 Well, nobody can hear you, Ian, so it's like Ian's desperately trying to talk to people.

00:06:58.000 Maybe, maybe... What's going on?

00:07:00.000 Okay, well, look, ladies and gentlemen, as I stated, we rushed down to DC, it's like an hour and ten or so minutes drive, and then Serge and Andrew quickly put this whole thing together.

00:07:10.000 Everybody can hear Ian and Hannah Claire in the headsets, but for some reason it's not coming through to you guys.

00:07:14.000 But we're going to have a—either way, it'll be fun, because not only do we have Congresswoman Lauren Boebert sitting right here, taking Ian's seat for the time being, but Jim Jordan's coming down. 0.98

00:07:23.000 Yes.

00:07:24.000 Byron Donalds, Ana Paulina Luna.

00:07:25.000 Yes, Matt Gaetz.

00:07:26.000 Matt Gaetz.

00:07:27.000 Yes.

00:07:27.000 So we'll just talk about all this stuff.

00:07:29.000 And it's going to be somewhat different from how we normally do things, because normally we do segments, we have clips, we have articles and stuff to pull up.

00:07:36.000 But I think for now, considering the technical difficulties, we should just talk.

00:07:39.000 Is that—Matt Gaetz is in the chat.

00:07:44.000 So, let's just get started while they try and fix these microphones, and I suppose we'll just talk, Congresswoman.

00:07:54.000 So, where should we start?

00:07:55.000 Should we start with the State of the Union or the Twitter stuff?

00:07:56.000 What do you think?

00:07:57.000 Oh gosh, there's so much to start with.

00:07:59.000 I mean, we started this whole year with an explosive debate, and it hasn't stopped.

00:08:06.000 We haven't slowed up.

00:08:07.000 So, sure, let's talk about the State of the Union.

00:08:10.000 State of the Union.

00:08:10.000 So here's what, we watched it live.

00:08:12.000 We provided commentary.

00:08:13.000 I do think one of the funniest things about it is that Jack Posobiec leaked the script, his entire script,

00:08:20.000 in the middle of his speech.

00:08:21.000 So we're watching, we've got 40 some odd thousand live viewers at the time, and I'm reading his words

00:08:26.000 before he even says them.

00:08:27.000 Which I get it, they have speech writers, but it really did make it feel so much more plastic.

00:08:31.000 Like someone wrote this for him, and he was just saying whatever.

00:08:36.000 It didn't feel real.

00:08:37.000 It felt to me like he was saying a bunch of bad things were happening.

00:08:41.000 Yes, yes he was.

00:08:42.000 Police brutality killed this person.

00:08:44.000 You know, he didn't mention people are smuggling eggs over the Mexican border.

00:08:47.000 But he said a lot of, don't worry, we will do things in the future.

00:08:51.000 His party has been in power for the past two years, and they've done nothing but destroy our country and make it worse and increase inflation and open our borders.

00:09:00.000 So why didn't they do it then?

00:09:03.000 You know, we're battling this in committee right now on natural resources and oversight.

00:09:07.000 Democrats are saying, you know, we want to work to do this.

00:09:10.000 We want to work to secure the border and have immigration reform.

00:09:13.000 Well, why didn't you do any of it in the last two years?

00:09:16.000 You had every ability to pass whatever you wanted, and you didn't.

00:09:20.000 And Tim, I kind of wish I would have had his script, because Matt Gaetz and I were sitting together on the House floor, and we were wishing that Joe Biden would just turn around the teleprompter so we could read it ourselves, because half the time we were saying, what did he just say?

00:09:32.000 We think he's talking about big tech?

00:09:34.000 I don't know.

00:09:35.000 There was a crazy point where he said, you could see in the closed caption, he said, if Republicans try to raise the cost of prescription drugs, I will veto it.

00:09:43.000 But what he actually said was, if Republicans try to raise the cost of prescription drugs, I'll veto it!

00:09:48.000 And the Democrats all stood up and started clapping for it.

00:09:50.000 And I was like, what are they clapping for?

00:09:54.000 Ian's trying so hard to talk.

00:09:56.000 Well, see, what y'all couldn't see were the applause lights flashing.

00:10:03.000 Yeah, but let me ask you about one of the most contentious moments.

00:10:08.000 He said that Republicans want to do away with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and then immediately the Republicans start booing and saying no.

00:10:15.000 I can say from what I've seen from the speeches and from the news reports, that's not true, and I can only assume he's lying on purpose for political power.

00:10:23.000 Right, because they saw how effective this was when Paul Ryan started talking about Social Security and Medicare.

00:10:29.000 And, you know, he's pushing Granny off a hill. 0.94

00:10:31.000 He's going to kill Granny. 0.99

00:10:32.000 And they saw the effectiveness in that and haven't stopped.

00:10:36.000 Even in my first election, the Democrat that I was running against was saying that I was going against these things.

00:10:41.000 I was like, this hasn't been on any of my talking points.

00:10:43.000 This isn't part of any of my contract with Colorado that I've laid out and what I plan to do when I get to Washington, D.C.

00:10:49.000 And so they're just starting this rhetoric all over again because they want to scare people.

00:10:54.000 They understand the power of fear.

00:10:57.000 And that's how they govern.

00:10:58.000 And I won't govern out of fear.

00:11:00.000 I won't be governed by fear.

00:11:02.000 And they see this as a powerful tool to just scare people into falling in line.

00:11:07.000 One of the things that I've been talking about for the past couple days, egg prices.

00:11:11.000 Because I don't know if you know, if you follow the show, I'm a big fan of chickens.

00:11:14.000 Because we have chickens sitting, we have chickens all over the place.

00:11:17.000 And it's somewhat of a joke when I talk about, hey everybody, get out of the cities, get some animals, get chickens.

00:11:23.000 And it's funny because it's meant to be somewhat silly because I find chickens to be entertaining.

00:11:27.000 But then we get this egg crisis.

00:11:28.000 Do you put pants on them?

00:11:30.000 They have armor, actually.

00:11:31.000 They have the big straps on their shoulders.

00:11:33.000 Perfect.

00:11:33.000 Well, it's because the roosters can be a little rough, you know, when they take what they want.

00:11:37.000 But no, now we're dealing with an egg and chicken shortage, which has been coming in and out, actually.

00:11:42.000 And what I'm hearing from a lot of the more liberal people is that, well, no, this is caused by the avian flu, which doesn't explain why people are smuggling eggs from Mexico into the United States, which is more indicative of a policy problem that's not being taken care of or fixed.

00:11:55.000 So... Oh, is that... Are we getting somewhere?

00:11:58.000 Nope.

00:11:59.000 But in that regard, I guess my question for you is, what do you think should be done right now that would help lower the cost of food, maybe increase wages?

00:12:07.000 What are some economic ideas that you think the Republicans could implement?

00:12:10.000 I mean, obviously, we're working on the spending.

00:12:12.000 There's been reckless spending here in Washington, D.C.

00:12:16.000 And rightfully, both parties are to blame for that.

00:12:21.000 But the past two years, it's just been absolute out of control spending.

00:12:25.000 Whatever you want, you get a stimulus check.

00:12:27.000 And we're increasing all of these spending bills by trillions of dollars.

00:12:33.000 We're given less than 24 hours to actually read the bills before we vote on them.

00:12:36.000 So that's obviously a big factor.

00:12:39.000 So we're going to tackle that.

00:12:40.000 Debt ceiling debate here in the upcoming months.

00:12:43.000 But also American energy.

00:12:45.000 I mean, let's get us energy independent again.

00:12:47.000 Joe Biden surrendered that.

00:12:48.000 You talk about surrender.

00:12:49.000 He surrendered our American energy on day one in his office at the stroke of a pen.

00:12:54.000 And so let's drill here responsibly.

00:12:56.000 Let's have American energy and produce that reliably and affordably for Americans.

00:13:03.000 I mean, those those two things right there coupled together lower inflation and help Americans get out of this mess.

00:13:09.000 Biden literally campaigned on ending fossil fuels.

00:13:13.000 Yes.

00:13:13.000 He was on the debate stage saying that he will work to end fossil fuels in this country.

00:13:18.000 Then he does these State of the Union addresses, not just this one, but the past one, where he's talking about how he's going to help.

00:13:24.000 But he's not.

00:13:25.000 In fact, we just got new emails released.

00:13:27.000 The Daily Mail reported this.

00:13:29.000 Hunter Biden laptop emails showing that Joe and Hunter were working on a deal to sell natural gas from Louisiana to China.

00:13:35.000 Right now, I think I think it was after he was vice president before he became president.

00:13:39.000 But I mean, it's clearly based on what he said and what he's done as a private business person in between his public office.

00:13:47.000 He seems to be more interested in selling off our energy and shutting it down.

00:13:51.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:13:52.000 Well, I mean, even emptying our strategic petroleum, petroleum reserves, that was in the name of a midterm election.

00:14:00.000 This was for emergencies.

00:14:02.000 And he did it to win political points with voters.

00:14:06.000 But no, he's absolutely shutting down American energy.

00:14:08.000 And even in the State of the Union last night, Joe Biden's like, hey, look, I get it.

00:14:14.000 Oil!

00:14:14.000 We got at least a decade left of it!

00:14:17.000 The entire Republican Party just erupted in laughter at him.

00:14:23.000 So he did campaign on canceling fossil fuels, and he did it on day one.

00:14:29.000 On day one, there was all of these executive orders that came out, moratoriums on leases on federal lands and ending fracking in Colorado's

00:14:37.000 western slope.

00:14:39.000 We used to have 112 rigs drilling.

00:14:41.000 Now we have four.

00:14:42.000 Our communities have been regulated into poverty.

00:14:45.000 And it's really unfortunate because we produce the cleanest energy and nobody does it better

00:14:50.000 than American energy producers.

00:14:52.000 And he's shutting it all down.

00:14:54.000 You know what I think is worrying with all of this?

00:14:57.000 Joe Biden can do all of these things.

00:14:59.000 He can put a moratorium on oil and gas leases on federal land.

00:15:03.000 He can shut down the Keystone Pipeline.

00:15:05.000 Regular people can't understand how that leads to higher gas prices because it's a bit outside

00:15:11.000 of the common knowledge.

00:15:13.000 And I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anybody who doesn't get it, but we've talked

00:15:16.000 about it on this show.

00:15:17.000 When he shuts down Keystone, we get the talking points in the media that this thing was never

00:15:22.000 delivering oil in the first place, therefore it doesn't matter.

00:15:25.000 On this show, we explain speculation.

00:15:27.000 That if right now they're telling you in the next five years we will not be able to meet demand because transportation will be unavailable, that means supply will be constrained.

00:15:36.000 This causes people to speculate the prices are going to go up, which causes the immediate effect of them buying as much as possible, which drives prices up.

00:15:42.000 Yes.

00:15:43.000 So it's all interconnected and I wish it was much simpler than this, but I can put it simply when you've got California, Oregon, Washington saying we're to ban gas cars.

00:15:51.000 Yeah, their agenda is clearly aligned with shutting down fossil fuels because they're concerned about climate change.

00:15:56.000 Right.

00:15:56.000 Look, fine.

00:15:57.000 I mean, if they're concerned about this stuff, I get it.

00:15:59.000 I think, you know, there's pollution, pollution bad, and all this stuff.

00:16:02.000 But this idea that we get from the more extreme elements of this movement, notably Greta Thunberg, Which is, she outright said, we want to shut down fossil fuels now.

00:16:10.000 We don't want to wait.

00:16:10.000 Like, that would result in 60 million dead around the world within like a day or so.

00:16:14.000 Absolutely.

00:16:14.000 You know, fossil fuels have lifted so many people out of poverty.

00:16:18.000 And they do want it shut down.

00:16:21.000 And even when California said, you know, we're going to ban gas vehicles.

00:16:24.000 Well, the very next week they said, hey, please don't charge your electric vehicles because our grid can't handle it.

00:16:29.000 I mean, that was the very next week.

00:16:31.000 And so their policies do not work.

00:16:33.000 They're not effective, but they are effective in their messaging and they're doing everything that they can to destroy it.

00:16:42.000 If they want to talk about climate change, well, I mean, I have forestry legislation that deals with that very issue.

00:16:48.000 And look, I'm not here to deny climate change.

00:16:50.000 It's real.

00:16:50.000 It happens four times every year.

00:16:52.000 I'll go on the record and say it.

00:16:54.000 But if carbon emissions, if that's your problem, well then let's manage our forests.

00:17:00.000 Because one catastrophic wildfire emits more carbon emissions in a few short days than every vehicle in my state of Colorado running 24-7 for an entire year.

00:17:07.000 You know, I don't know if it's coming through on YouTube, nothing?

00:17:11.000 Nope.

00:17:11.000 Well, I'll tell you guys.

00:17:13.000 It's not the carbon that's in the atmosphere that's the problem. And if we can pull it

00:17:17.000 out of the atmosphere, which we can, and turn it into graphene and re-industrialize our country, I mean, it's waiting for

00:17:22.000 us to take.

00:17:23.000 And it's going to become competition for the carbon in the air. The Chinese CCP is going to start attempting to strip 0.94

00:17:28.000 it out faster than we can, so if we don't work together...

00:17:32.000 Hi everyone! Hi, can you hear me? Tell me. Good. Please, you can hear me.

00:17:37.000 No, I don't... It's just proof of life.

00:17:41.000 Well, so, you know, look, I understand people are concerned about carbon emissions, and I think there's like a rudimentary—there's something basic that people can understand in The more people you have, the more energy you consume, the more waste products are produced, the more pollution you get.

00:18:01.000 And I think the simplest, the best way it's been explained by a lot of conservatives is we must be good stewards of the earth.

00:18:07.000 Right.

00:18:07.000 But I'm sorry, as much as, you know, I'll back up.

00:18:11.000 I used to work for Greenpeace.

00:18:13.000 Briefly.

00:18:14.000 I worked for an organization called Environment America.

00:18:16.000 I actually went around telling people like, hey, we got to be good stewards of the earth.

00:18:19.000 We got to protect the forest.

00:18:20.000 We got to clean this stuff up.

00:18:21.000 Right.

00:18:21.000 And then I got really confused when I'd hear stories about politicians buying beachfront

00:18:25.000 property while telling me that they're going to be swept up in the oceans.

00:18:28.000 And so my thought was either they don't care about what happens to the rest, what happens

00:18:32.000 to this planet in 20 or 30 years.

00:18:34.000 If they're coming out saying we're going to work these it's going to be wiped out in 20

00:18:37.000 years but then they buy the property they clearly don't care.

00:18:40.000 Or they're just lying.

00:18:41.000 Right.

00:18:42.000 No you're not.

00:18:43.000 I'm just kidding.

00:18:43.000 No, you're not.

00:18:45.000 Let's make sure you're really on first.

00:18:47.000 internet's are saying everybody can hear me so you want to swap back Lauren? 0.95

00:18:53.000 Let's make sure you're really on first.

00:18:54.000 And also did you guys hear me talking about carbon sequestration? 0.91

00:19:00.000 Because darn it that was good stuff. 0.71

00:19:01.000 Carbon is so valuable. 0.95

00:19:02.000 People don't understand it yet.

00:19:04.000 No audio from Ian.

00:19:06.000 So we have an audio meter it's showing like Ian you're not coming in.

00:19:09.000 Yeah so we can hear you in the headphones but no one can hear you on the show.

00:19:12.000 So I don't know you can maybe bring the chair over here and then I'll just swing the mic

00:19:17.000 around to you.

00:19:18.000 No?

00:19:19.000 Some people say yes some people say no.

00:19:22.000 You know what.

00:19:23.000 Brian's.

00:19:24.000 Brian says no.

00:19:25.000 Maybe some people are picking up the feedback from the other mics.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, like you might be able to hear something faint in the background.

00:19:30.000 Well, I don't know.

00:19:31.000 See if...

00:19:32.000 I don't know, man.

00:19:33.000 Look, we threw this together in a couple hours.

00:19:34.000 It is what it is.

00:19:36.000 So let's just...

00:19:38.000 We'll just keep talking, I suppose.

00:19:39.000 You know, I don't know if Ian, you want to pull up a chair or something?

00:19:42.000 I'm going to go look at OBS with Serge.

00:19:44.000 Ian's going to try and see what he can figure out with this stuff.

00:19:46.000 But yeah, so look.

00:19:47.000 I grew up in the city.

00:19:49.000 I grew up in Chicago.

00:19:49.000 I grew up surrounded by liberals.

00:19:51.000 I grew up surrounded by Democrats.

00:19:52.000 And it all makes sense to me.

00:19:54.000 When you hear stories about dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico where life can't exist, when you hear about the mercury levels in our fish, I'm like, hey, these things sound really, really bad.

00:20:04.000 I would like to have ecological balance.

00:20:08.000 I'd like to clean up pollution.

00:20:09.000 I don't like the idea of big garbage dumps.

00:20:11.000 I'm concerned about the pollution produced by big cities.

00:20:14.000 And then I just don't trust them.

00:20:17.000 So we actually did this.

00:20:18.000 We pulled up the NOAA or the IPCC, the Climate Change Panel.

00:20:25.000 We looked at their projections for Obama's property at Martha's Vineyard.

00:20:30.000 It will be underwater.

00:20:31.000 Right.

00:20:32.000 According to their predictions.

00:20:34.000 Yeah, and that wasn't even their worst case predictions.

00:20:37.000 It was like, moderate predictions of sea level rise puts half his property underwater in 10 or 20 years.

00:20:43.000 Right.

00:20:43.000 And I'm just kind of like, well, does he really care about this?

00:20:46.000 Because if what he and all the rest of them are saying is true, does he not care that he's spending $10 million on property that'll be worthless soon?

00:20:53.000 Right.

00:20:53.000 That's why I can't trust it.

00:20:54.000 Right, absolutely.

00:20:56.000 You know, I was wondering why AOC got so worked up over Ilhan Omar not being able to serve on a certain committee when the world's going to end in six years anyway.

00:21:05.000 Yeah, they tend to keep saying this and then people just end up not wanting to believe it, which is... Did you guys figure it out?

00:21:10.000 I don't know, I just turned it off and on.

00:21:13.000 Nope.

00:21:14.000 Turned it off and on.

00:21:15.000 It's still not working!

00:21:15.000 Unplug it, plug it back in.

00:21:18.000 No, but we can continue.

00:21:20.000 So, anyway.

00:21:21.000 Are you guys friends?

00:21:23.000 You and Ilhan?

00:21:24.000 I'll relay that.

00:21:25.000 Are you friends with the squad members?

00:21:27.000 No, I pretty much have to take the stairs now because I'm not allowed in elevators with her. 0.75

00:21:31.000 Wait, what?

00:21:31.000 Really?

00:21:34.000 Well, so let's actually, yeah, this is an interesting question.

00:21:36.000 Look, I want to talk about the Twitter stuff too, but let me ask you about just the general feel in Congress.

00:21:45.000 What we see with AOC, especially today in the Twitter hearings, is outrage.

00:21:50.000 Right.

00:21:51.000 Over January 6, outrage over Republicans.

00:21:53.000 All of them, yes.

00:21:55.000 What's it like between, you know, the Freedom Caucus or just you personally and squad members?

00:22:01.000 Well, I mean, I don't have a relationship with them.

00:22:03.000 You know, there were some things that obviously, you know, we kind of sided with them on some of the issues when we were in the minority because they were trying to kick against their party.

00:22:12.000 And we were all for that.

00:22:14.000 But I don't have that relationship.

00:22:17.000 And, you know, it's really hard to To take anything these guys say seriously because everything out of their mouth starts with MAGA Republicans did this and January 6th and insurrectionists and you know all of this rhetoric instead of actually just talking policy and talking solutions.

00:22:31.000 Let's have a conversation.

00:22:33.000 They were saying that today's Twitter file hearings regarding The Hunter Biden laptop that was suppressed by Twitter, by these Twitter executives, that was a waste of time and that we need to move on.

00:22:46.000 How is defending free speech and holding people to account a waste of anyone's time?

00:22:52.000 We are the Oversight and Accountability Committee.

00:22:54.000 We are there to have congressional oversight.

00:22:56.000 We believe that there was collusion between the federal government and with Twitter, with big tech.

00:23:04.000 And so we were having congressional oversight into what actually happened.

00:23:08.000 Was there collusion with the federal government and these companies?

00:23:12.000 And then I expect accountability to come out of this as well.

00:23:16.000 Yeah, I think it's because it benefits their party.

00:23:19.000 This is the strangest thing.

00:23:21.000 When AOC gets elected, when she defeats, I think it was Crowley back in 2018, he was like the fourth highest ranking Democrat at the time.

00:23:28.000 She wins.

00:23:29.000 I actually cheered for her.

00:23:30.000 I said, good, screw the establishment.

00:23:31.000 These people have been in power.

00:23:32.000 They've not done anything.

00:23:33.000 If some young upstart comes in and pushes them out, let's see it.

00:23:36.000 But now it seems like AOC is just saying whatever the establishment wants her to say.

00:23:39.000 She's completely in line.

00:23:40.000 She's voting on the same war stuff.

00:23:42.000 Yes.

00:23:42.000 She's saying, oh, the Hunter Biden laptop stuff, no issue.

00:23:45.000 We shouldn't even talk about it.

00:23:47.000 She said it was it was half true. 0.83

00:23:48.000 Why does she why is she I guess, you know, my I'll put it this way.

00:23:53.000 When we walked into the office, I saw you on the live TV talking about illegal immigrants voting

00:23:59.000 in D.C. And I thought to myself, how did something like that become partisan?

00:24:04.000 How is it that there are issues that are so obvious?

00:24:07.000 A big corporation, a multinational corporation with billionaire foreign investors, at the time, Elon Musk now has taken over and we can make an argument about that, but at the time you had foreign investors and foreign interests involved in a multinational corporation that was suppressing the speech of not just conservatives, though mostly conservatives, but even some anti-war leftists got caught up in this.

00:24:27.000 Yet, they are completely like, no, no, no, who cares, who cares, everybody, nothing to see here.

00:24:33.000 And I'm just confused as to how that's a left or right issue.

00:24:36.000 I mean, I get it.

00:24:37.000 It benefits their party, right?

00:24:40.000 And the narrative that they've been pushing as well.

00:24:41.000 I mean, look, they are for wide open borders.

00:24:44.000 That's why they have done nothing to secure our southern border.

00:24:47.000 That's why we're seeing nearly 5 million people come into our country illegally that we know of.

00:24:51.000 That doesn't even count the unknown gotaways that we have no idea who they are, what they're bringing into our country. 0.79

00:25:00.000 And so this is a part of their party platform at this point.

00:25:03.000 And so of course they want them to vote.

00:25:04.000 They're inviting them in.

00:25:05.000 They're allowing them to come in.

00:25:07.000 And they're promising them free health care, free college, free education, free lawyers, free cell phones, anything else you want.

00:25:16.000 And they're really treating our country like an Oprah Winfrey show.

00:25:22.000 And now they're saying you get a vote too.

00:25:24.000 And this should not be a partisan issue.

00:25:26.000 This should be something that We all unite and say no, only American citizens can vote in United States elections.

00:25:32.000 You know what I find?

00:25:33.000 I definitely want to go back to the immigration thing too, but in terms of like the Twitter stuff, we've invited often many people on this show who are more left-leaning and only a very small number of them actually come on, but there's one thing that's consistent every time they do, they don't know what they're talking about.

00:25:50.000 And I mean that with all due respect. I think the most well-read individual we've had on the show

00:25:55.000 is Vosch. I'm not sure if you're familiar with him. He's a YouTuber. He's a socialist guy.

00:26:00.000 And there was a lot he didn't know, but there was a lot he did know. And I can respect that.

00:26:03.000 I just think he's wrong on his opinions, socialism, etc.

00:26:06.000 But we had people on who I asked them about Ukraine. I asked them about issues at the

00:26:11.000 border, and they literally don't know what's going on.

00:26:14.000 You ask them, remember when Donald Trump said coyotes are coming across the border?

00:26:18.000 Right, yes.

00:26:19.000 Yes, I do remember that.

00:26:20.000 The media made fun of him because they thought he was talking about animals carrying babies.

00:26:23.000 Animals, right.

00:26:24.000 Yes, no.

00:26:25.000 How do you debate someone in Congress?

00:26:26.000 How do you pass a bill when you say, hey, coyotes are bad, and they go, animals?

00:26:32.000 Right, because most of this is a facade.

00:26:36.000 You have 25-year-old staffers give you your talking points, you go down, you read them at the mic, and then you leave when you're done and you vote the way your party tells you how you're wrecked.

00:26:46.000 A lot of members don't talk about the legislation that they're voting on before they vote on it.

00:26:51.000 They go down there and say, Is this a yes or a no?

00:26:54.000 How's the party voting?

00:26:55.000 And really, it's just a numbers game.

00:26:56.000 You have the majority, you get it passed.

00:26:59.000 Now, I do think that the way that we have changed the way Congress operates, that that did kind of help that a little bit.

00:27:07.000 And members have to pay attention to what they're doing.

00:27:11.000 And even the party has to pay attention to what we are wanting, because they've seen that any five members at any time can take down a bill, can take down a rule.

00:27:19.000 And so they have to pay attention more and have more communication and dialogue.

00:27:22.000 Are you a Ron Paul fan?

00:27:24.000 Yeah.

00:27:26.000 I'm curious about that.

00:27:27.000 I feel like, you know, when I was younger and I started learning more about Congress and politics, Ron Paul was getting very, very popular, you know, end of the 2000s.

00:27:36.000 And it's because he's a very libertarian guy.

00:27:38.000 He talks about personal responsibility and things like that.

00:27:41.000 And that said a lot to me.

00:27:43.000 The point I made at the time was, Look, you know, I may not agree with him on some of his more conservative viewpoints and religious viewpoints, but then he comes and says, yeah, but I'll leave you alone.

00:27:52.000 And I'm like, oh, OK, you know, I can support that.

00:27:54.000 Yes, just get government off my back.

00:27:56.000 Well, yeah, and obviously Rand Paul's doing a great job.

00:27:58.000 And then Thomas Massey, I mean, he came to Congress and he picked up a lot of Ron Paul's bills when he came here.

00:28:05.000 So he's someone who said, this guy's doing it right.

00:28:08.000 I want to introduce the legislation he was introducing.

00:28:11.000 And I mean, Thomas Massey, I mean, he's more libertarian leaning.

00:28:15.000 Than most members here.

00:28:16.000 And so he's a wonderful ally to have.

00:28:19.000 He and I co-chair the Second Amendment Caucus together.

00:28:22.000 But he wants to limit the federal government, limit spending, and make sure Americans are still free.

00:28:29.000 So let's go back to the Twitter stuff.

00:28:31.000 The reason I brought up Ron Paul was because at the beginning of this big social media push we saw that Ron Paul love revolution thing.

00:28:39.000 And I kind of feel like many members of Congress today that we like, Freedom Caucus types or the people who stood up against the establishment who refused to vote for Kevin McCarthy, we had a good laugh about that.

00:28:50.000 It seems like A lot of this may have been inspired by that time, by that,

00:28:56.000 you know, Ron Paul revolution.

00:28:57.000 So it got me thinking about that with social media today and the manipulation of big tech

00:29:03.000 and the censorship of ideas. When we have people on the show and they don't know what's going on,

00:29:07.000 what we're talking about, like this is the problem. AOC goes up before these executives

00:29:14.000 and outright says this was a 24, what did you call it, a 24-hour mistake or something on Twitter

00:29:20.000 that doesn't matter and we're wasting public resources. She said that libs of tick tock 1.00

00:29:25.000 spread lies about the Boston children's hospital providing hysterectomies.

00:29:29.000 However, on their own website, there was a video, or I should say this, there is a video of a woman from the Boston Children's Hospital explaining what a hysterectomy is, and they say on their website that, or it's been reportedly, as people have been sharing, they provided hysterectomies to adolescents.

00:29:46.000 Now AOC doesn't know that, or she's lying.

00:29:49.000 I guess I'll ask you, do you think she's lying or do you think she just doesn't know?

00:29:52.000 I think she's saying what she was told to say.

00:29:53.000 I mean, it's as simple as that.

00:29:55.000 It's a little bit of both.

00:29:56.000 Yeah.

00:29:57.000 Whether it's an outright lie or doesn't want to believe the truth, doesn't want to hear something else, this is what she has heard and that is what she is regurgitating.

00:30:05.000 Man.

00:30:05.000 I'm coming into bat again.

00:30:10.000 Can you hear me chat?

00:30:10.000 Nope.

00:30:10.000 You're not coming through.

00:30:11.000 Or you can pull the chair up and we can swing the mic over.

00:30:14.000 Yep, or you can pull a chair up and we can swing the mic over.

00:30:17.000 We might, because we're going to have two people at a time, that's the plan, so maybe we can let you in.

00:30:21.000 But, yeah, so there's no audio coming through when you talk.

00:30:24.000 But I guess we'll just keep going unless you want to pull up a chair.

00:30:27.000 So I can hear Ian talking, but I can see on the monitor they are not going into YouTube.

00:30:34.000 The soundboard is not delivering their microphones to the computer.

00:30:37.000 So one option is to... I know exactly what the problem is, but there's no way to fix it in real time.

00:30:45.000 It's an issue we've dealt with with new computers before, where you have to change a stereo mono setting or something like this, because there's two channels, but the board is...

00:30:54.000 The board is only delivering one of its channels to the computer, which is why we're not getting audio from the other microphones.

00:31:00.000 So it is what it is.

00:31:01.000 I don't think we'll be able to fix it.

00:31:02.000 So we'll just, you know, we'll hang out.

00:31:03.000 We'll do what we can.

00:31:03.000 Ian, we can have you come and sit over here.

00:31:06.000 We'll throw you the microphone when you can.

00:31:08.000 But yeah, so back to the Twitter stuff, because I don't want to keep wasting time talking about the fact that our audio is not working.

00:31:14.000 It is what it is.

00:31:17.000 One thing that we've talked about in the show is cultural decay, the dark direction this country is headed if we can't solve this.

00:31:25.000 But the way I've described it is, if you have a person who has become hypoxic, low oxygen in the brain, they can't think straight.

00:31:37.000 They will not be able to right themselves to save themselves.

00:31:39.000 So that's why when you're on an airplane, they say, put on your own oxygen mask before the person next to you.

00:31:44.000 If half of our country is effectively hypoxic due to bad information, lies, and fake news from the media, so they're not thinking clearly, but they're still voting, how is this country supposed to right itself when one lobe has been, you know, starved of oxygen?

00:32:02.000 Yes, that's why it is so important for us to have these hearings and investigations.

00:32:06.000 Look, we don't have the Senate, we don't have the White House, but we do have the House.

00:32:11.000 We have oversight capabilities so we can begin to expose this truth, expose the mainstream media, expose big tech and what they have been doing and how they have been lying to the American people, what they've been covering up, the lull Um, that has been created by the narrative that they push, um, by, by the rhetoric, um, that, uh, they allow and then by, by the information that they suppress.

00:32:34.000 So that's why we are doing this in oversight.

00:32:36.000 So we can get that truth out to the American people because so many people do just listen to what they're told on TV, on, on, on Twitter, on social media and move on with their day.

00:32:47.000 Uh, so it's so important for people to know the truth was hidden from you on purpose.

00:32:54.000 It's such a challenge every day to try and convince someone they're being lied to when they don't want to believe they're being lied to.

00:33:02.000 No one wants to believe they're being lied to.

00:33:04.000 You want to think that you have control of your life, that people are trustworthy, that you can engage in these conversations and watch the news and be accurate and factual and go on with your day.

00:33:16.000 But I mean, the truth is, if you watch the news, you're misinformed, and if you don't, you're uninformed.

00:33:22.000 Yep, think about it ideologically when I mentioned, you know, when we were talking about the non-citizens and illegal immigrants voting. 0.94

00:33:28.000 It's not just in DC, I mean New York has been, various parts of New York have been talking about it, various parts of California.

00:33:35.000 That to me shows there is a I don't know, it feels like the ship we're on has hit the iceberg, the Titanic has hit the iceberg, and it's sinking.

00:33:43.000 You cannot have a country if there's no borders, quite literally.

00:33:46.000 So we've actually talked about the definition of a country versus a nation, and I think a country requires sovereign borders that determine its jurisdiction or something to that effect, and a nation is a reference to culture and people.

00:33:58.000 But look, we've got people pouring across the border to the point where We can't track them.

00:34:04.000 There's drug smuggling.

00:34:05.000 There was just in Arizona, on the southern border, a man shot an illegal immigrant.

00:34:09.000 They charged him with first-degree murder.

00:34:11.000 So we have people entering this country. 1.00

00:34:13.000 We have children dying in the desert and in rivers because it's an extremely dangerous trip that's being encouraged effectively by the Biden administration and by various NGOs.

00:34:21.000 And then you have various parts of the country saying, let them vote.

00:34:24.000 And they're expanding that.

00:34:25.000 To me, it's like, hey, what's going on, man?

00:34:28.000 Hey, Byron.

00:34:29.000 Byron Donalds.

00:34:30.000 We're missing a couple mics here, so I'm going to switch spots here in a second.

00:34:34.000 Yeah, we'll have you jump over in a second. 0.99

00:34:35.000 But just to wrap this thought up before we jump around.

00:34:40.000 That is the most immediate leak.

00:34:42.000 That people are entering this country illegally, that Democrats are calling for amnesty and for the right to vote.

00:34:49.000 The end result of that is clear.

00:34:50.000 There won't be a country.

00:34:51.000 Correct.

00:34:53.000 And that's what they want.

00:34:53.000 They want to dismantle the system.

00:34:55.000 They want to create chaos.

00:34:56.000 They want the system to fail because they hate the system.

00:34:59.000 They hate everything that our country was founded on, and they want to start over.

00:35:03.000 So, I mean, this is no surprise that they're wanting everything to be different.

00:35:09.000 It's going to take eight to ten years just to process the people who came into our country illegally last year.

00:35:14.000 What about the ones who are coming into our country this year? 0.91

00:35:16.000 So all of this is to create chaos, to dismantle the system, and, you know, I could call their policies a failure, but truly they're a success because this is their intent.

00:35:29.000 Yeah, I think what's happening is the chaos that they're trying to sow is essentially the end of the liberal economic order after World War II.

00:35:36.000 The British and the French and the Americans were like, 1949, we're going to build this empire to prevent World War III.

00:35:42.000 So they did it.

00:35:42.000 Now, 70 years later, that order is fading.

00:35:45.000 And the new world order, they call it, is forming.

00:35:49.000 And so in order to form this order, they need to create chaos to create the order out of. 0.99

00:35:54.000 But I think there's a lot of useful idiots that are being swept up and like, Yeah, toxic compassion. 0.99

00:35:59.000 We need to help everybody. 1.00

00:36:00.000 Right.

00:36:01.000 Like I don't think Cortez, I don't get the vibe that she's like orchestrating the downfall of America.

00:36:06.000 I just think that she really cares about people and like that can take you to dark places if you...

00:36:11.000 I'm not convinced that many of these Democrats actually care about people.

00:36:16.000 And I know it's just it's so cliche and tribalistic to say, to be sitting here with a Republican and we're like, oh, Democrats are bad.

00:36:23.000 But man, it's just so weird to see someone like AOC.

00:36:29.000 Let's just let's just be I hate being.

00:36:33.000 I hate giving the benefit of the doubt when she says the Boston Children's Hospital lives of TikTok.

00:36:38.000 Yoel Roth says, unfortunately, lives of TikTok is still there.

00:36:41.000 And it's just like, we have so much evidence.

00:36:45.000 Let's back away from that.

00:36:46.000 The Hunter Biden laptop, emails between Joe and Hunter.

00:36:51.000 I'm sorry, not between Joe and Hunter, but emails between Hunter Biden and his associates.

00:36:55.000 Yeah.

00:36:55.000 emails to Hunter Biden talking about sending a meeting with his dad.

00:36:59.000 Tony Bobulinski, 10% for the big guy, private equity deals with China,

00:37:02.000 flying on Air Force Two, the Burisma deals.

00:37:04.000 I mean, I can cite so many different stories, factually proven that Joe Biden was doing these things.

00:37:11.000 And then when you talk to Democrats, they just either don't know,

00:37:13.000 don't care, don't believe you.

00:37:15.000 So to wrap it all together, I'm a bit pessimistic in can we inform people and get the right vote when we have two things going on.

00:37:25.000 One, these people, you look at what Adam Schiff did with the whole Russiagate stuff, with releasing private phone records, I mean some real dark and evil stuff.

00:37:32.000 Lies, manipulations, impeachments.

00:37:35.000 When Donald Trump, I believe, stumbled upon the Ukrainegate scandal with Joe Biden and the billion dollars and firing the prosecutor, they immediately blamed him for what Joe Biden did and then impeached him.

00:37:46.000 And impeached him for it.

00:37:47.000 For Joe Biden's crime, yeah.

00:37:48.000 Exactly.

00:37:49.000 When you have that, And then you have universal mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting.

00:37:54.000 Yeah.

00:37:54.000 I gotta say, I hate this.

00:37:56.000 It's Colorado.

00:37:56.000 Right.

00:37:57.000 I'm not so optimistic.

00:38:00.000 I suppose Republicans could launch a massive ballot harvesting campaign.

00:38:03.000 And if that's the case, then I'm not sure standing up and educating people matters as much as just knocking on their door and saying, fill it out.

00:38:11.000 Right.

00:38:12.000 Yes.

00:38:12.000 So, you know, in Colorado, you know, we're trying to get those ballot harvesting campaigns in place.

00:38:18.000 We have to play by their game.

00:38:20.000 It's legal in Colorado and we're not doing it because we're not for it but they're doing that and they're winning the elections.

00:38:26.000 Colorado is turning bluer and bluer.

00:38:28.000 We just lost our our gubernatorial race by 20 points.

00:38:32.000 I mean this is absurd.

00:38:34.000 My district's always been very conservative and you know won by 546 votes so we have to start playing by their games but you know I agree with you.

00:38:41.000 I'm I can't relate to it, man.

00:38:43.000 You know, I can't relate to, they just want to win for the sake of winning.

00:38:46.000 and winning and and having control and one of the things that they love the

00:38:51.000 most is controlling people. That's very obvious. I can't relate to it man. You

00:38:56.000 know I I can't relate to they just want to win for the sake of winning. I don't

00:39:01.000 know what they see in the future. You know I think about traditional family

00:39:06.000 values as as somebody who's again from a very liberal area where there's no

00:39:10.000 Republicans at all.

00:39:11.000 Chicago's been run by Democrats for a hundred years or whatever.

00:39:14.000 And I think about, you know, why do we want traditional family values?

00:39:17.000 Well, we want humans to succeed.

00:39:18.000 We want humans to thrive.

00:39:19.000 We want humans to be happier.

00:39:21.000 We want them to be better off.

00:39:22.000 We want to find ways to make life better for everybody.

00:39:25.000 But it seems like the policy positions that they put forward do the opposite.

00:39:29.000 I talk often about why it is that in big cities, typically they're run by Democrats, typically crime is through the roof.

00:39:35.000 And then we literally watch throughout the past several years, crime getting worse in these cities as they release more criminals.

00:39:41.000 Now you've got, there was this viral video out of New York where, it wasn't a viral video, it was a viral story where a meteorologist was mercilessly beaten by teenagers.

00:39:49.000 And the city said, we will not criminally charge these teenagers.

00:39:52.000 And I'm just like, Are they trying to destroy or do they just not care and they're extracting as much as they can as the whole thing crumbles?

00:39:59.000 I think it's all of it.

00:40:00.000 Yeah.

00:40:01.000 I do.

00:40:02.000 They want to be in power.

00:40:04.000 They want to run things their way and they know they have to completely blow it up to be able to reconstruct whatever it is that they're seeing their utopia as.

00:40:12.000 But their utopia isn't going to work.

00:40:15.000 We have a system that works.

00:40:16.000 It feels like the mass printing of money as an attempt to destabilize.

00:40:20.000 Oh my gosh.

00:40:21.000 I'll put that back on.

00:40:22.000 Ladies and gentlemen.

00:40:23.000 But what's happening is they're printing it in the guise of modern monetary theory, MMT, because they think if they print enough, you've got to reinvest it in infrastructure.

00:40:29.000 The thing that they're doing is they didn't put it in infrastructure.

00:40:33.000 They just put in people's bank accounts.

00:40:34.000 So they're actually building like factories that will produce the product to make up for the lost money.

00:40:39.000 Ian knocked the mic off.

00:40:41.000 They're gutting them.

00:40:42.000 I mean, you know, look.

00:40:45.000 We got the money guy here.

00:40:46.000 You want to talk about... Byron, you want to jump in?

00:40:49.000 Come in here, Byron.

00:40:50.000 Let's talk finances with him.

00:40:52.000 Look, hey, I'd like to see Tucker Carlson try this, huh?

00:40:56.000 Ian busted the mic.

00:40:57.000 Can you get it?

00:40:58.000 Ian was trying to grab the mic.

00:41:05.000 All right.

00:41:06.000 Congressman Donalds.

00:41:07.000 What's up?

00:41:08.000 How's it going, man?

00:41:09.000 Good to see you.

00:41:09.000 You know.

00:41:10.000 What's your view of things?

00:41:11.000 How's it going?

00:41:11.000 We just had those hearings on big tech and social media.

00:41:14.000 Yes.

00:41:15.000 So look, the first thing is, I'm just happy I made my colleague's Wall of Fame over here.

00:41:20.000 You know, Brett Boebert.

00:41:21.000 We were over here in Texas, at the gun range in Texas, and so I was looking at the Wall of Fame, and I was like, dang, I don't take enough pictures with Boebert.

00:41:29.000 And I was like, oh shoot, I made the Wall of Fame in the corner!

00:41:32.000 So I'm happy about that.

00:41:34.000 The Wall of Fame, and show the people the Wall of Fame, show the people.

00:41:37.000 All right, so listen, what I want to tell everybody real quick is about the .50 cal that I'm holding in my hand.

00:41:41.000 So here's the funny story.

00:41:43.000 They brought the rifle out and so they were like, give it to Bobert.

00:41:47.000 And so I'm like, the rifle's bigger than her.

00:41:50.000 Like what is going on?

00:41:51.000 But she's holding it like a boss, like a champion. 0.56

00:41:53.000 She's holding the thing.

00:41:54.000 And so I'm looking and I'm like, you know what?

00:41:56.000 I respect her for that.

00:41:58.000 And so she like looks at me and she's got the smile.

00:42:00.000 She goes, Byron, take the rifle.

00:42:04.000 So I'm like, all right, so I grab it with one arm, and she goes, Byron, take the rifle.

00:42:08.000 I'm like, Bobert, I got the rifle.

00:42:09.000 She's like, Byron, take the rifle.

00:42:10.000 Bobert, I got the rifle.

00:42:11.000 Don't worry about it.

00:42:12.000 So that was a funny story from that day.

00:42:14.000 It was a great event.

00:42:14.000 Great time.

00:42:16.000 You remember that event?

00:42:18.000 It was a great event.

00:42:19.000 I couldn't even tell you were holding it.

00:42:20.000 You barely even got it.

00:42:22.000 What was the event?

00:42:23.000 Oh, we were doing a fundraiser at a gun range in Dallas.

00:42:27.000 I think it was, was it CPAC in Dallas at the time?

00:42:30.000 Yeah, it was CPAC in Dallas and really I crashed the fundraiser.

00:42:34.000 I wasn't supposed to be there.

00:42:36.000 I wasn't even a special guest.

00:42:37.000 I literally just crashed.

00:42:39.000 It was Beth Van Dyne, Ronnie Jackson, and Boebert and I got wind of it and I just said, you know what, I'll show up.

00:42:46.000 So it was a good time.

00:42:47.000 It was an awesome time.

00:42:48.000 I try to be supportive of my colleagues because this business is a crazy situation.

00:42:53.000 Oh, this mic's really loud. We got a new mic and a new mic stand so it'll be easier to talk.

00:42:58.000 But I mean, that's cool. It's cool seeing people carrying guns. I think we got to repeal the NFA.

00:43:03.000 I think, I mean, I'm pretty, I went from being like a moderate gun control kind of guy.

00:43:09.000 We're like, well, you know, maybe we could have something to a staunch like not all legal, all of it all the time.

00:43:13.000 What do you think?

00:43:14.000 I think that's right.

00:43:15.000 Because here's the deal.

00:43:17.000 So I grew up in Brooklyn, New York.

00:43:18.000 So I'm gonna give you the full story.

00:43:19.000 I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, where, you know, gun ownership is taboo, you know, in the inner city.

00:43:25.000 The problem is, is that people have guns and people die, which is legit.

00:43:29.000 That's just the way of life growing up in the inner city.

00:43:32.000 And so the politicians and the media feed this narrative of, Oh my gosh, guns are evil.

00:43:37.000 So nobody can have them.

00:43:39.000 The truth of the matter is, is that if long body citizens had the ability to possess firearms with minimal restrictions, minimal restrictions, no restrictions, what you would see is the criminal element would understand.

00:43:52.000 You know what?

00:43:52.000 I can't.

00:43:54.000 act crazy because I'm not sure who's carrying.

00:43:57.000 The vast majority of people just want to live in harmony and peace with one another.

00:44:02.000 They're not trying to cause problems.

00:44:03.000 But when the criminal element understands that the politicians restrict gun ownership to the degree where normal people feel it's taboo and it's the wrong thing to do, it actually empowers the criminal element.

00:44:15.000 It's kind of sad because that's, I just feel like, common sense obvious.

00:44:19.000 I've heard it a million times throughout my life.

00:44:22.000 That an unarmed society is a polite society. 0.98

00:44:24.000 If people in the cities were armed, then criminals would be scared of them because you have equal force to be used against you.

00:44:30.000 But it doesn't seem to get through to these gun control advocates.

00:44:33.000 And now we have Joe Biden coming out with the, what was his slogan?

00:44:38.000 Let's get the job done, or was it?

00:44:41.000 Finish the job.

00:44:41.000 I don't really know what he was talking about.

00:44:43.000 He was yelling too much for me.

00:44:44.000 He was, he was slurring a bit too.

00:44:46.000 But he said, let's finish the job, ban assault weapons.

00:44:49.000 Right.

00:44:50.000 And they can't even define what it is.

00:44:52.000 So this goes back to what I was just asking Congresswoman Boebert.

00:44:55.000 Right.

00:44:55.000 How do you affect change in a positive direction through a logical lens to make things better if your political opponents don't know what they're talking about?

00:45:04.000 Well, the first part is, you know, I always go back to Gladiator.

00:45:07.000 I'm going to date myself a little bit.

00:45:08.000 You know, I'm 44.

00:45:10.000 That movie with Russell- Listen, Gladiator was that movie.

00:45:13.000 That was a good movie.

00:45:13.000 That was that movie.

00:45:15.000 And, you know, the advice- Yeah, Joaquin Phoenix.

00:45:17.000 The advice to, you know, to Russell Crowe, Maximus, in the movie was, you win the crowd, you win your freedom.

00:45:25.000 And so on a philosophical level, politics hasn't really changed.

00:45:30.000 Politics, the art of politics, is really about can you get enough people in the body populace, in the population, to be with you.

00:45:41.000 If you can get enough of them to be with you, then you have the political will to move the argument, to move the bill, to move the policy.

00:45:50.000 But if you never get the people to see your side and be on your side, you can't win your freedom.

00:45:56.000 That's the way you can actually, in some respects, break Washington loose.

00:46:02.000 Because for a long time, as a conservative, the media is against you, you know that.

00:46:07.000 Republicans largely have been terrible at messaging.

00:46:11.000 We know that.

00:46:13.000 So it ends up becoming people deciding to engage in politics and policy of their own volition, of their own passions.

00:46:21.000 And the nut, I think that, you know, I guess the new, the new age myself, Bobert and others, Gates and others that we're trying to crack is, Is there the possibility to get your average American to look at our arguments and be like, you know what?

00:46:39.000 That Byron dude is right.

00:46:40.000 I like what he's saying.

00:46:42.000 And that's the pathway.

00:46:43.000 I think the internet helped.

00:46:44.000 Greatly.

00:46:45.000 Big time.

00:46:45.000 But I also think there's an inverse reaction too because you end up with these people.

00:46:51.000 One of the examples of social media manipulation I've brought up is that imagine you're 10 years old in 2008.

00:46:56.000 Right.

00:46:57.000 Facebook is just coming into, you know, popularity and prominence, or it's getting bigger and bigger.

00:47:02.000 And these companies like BuzzFeed and Huffington Post find out that, you know what kind of article gets the most traffic?

00:47:08.000 Police Brutality.

00:47:10.000 So they start making more and more and more of it.

00:47:12.000 Right.

00:47:12.000 Now you're a little kid and you're on Facebook and the only thing you see every single day is more and more videos of Police Brutality.

00:47:18.000 Right.

00:47:18.000 Rap songs about it.

00:47:19.000 I don't know if you've ever seen that rap song, This Is What Happens When You Call The Cops?

00:47:22.000 I mean, I'm a hip-hop kid, so I even go back to N.W.A., Ice Cube, Snoop.

00:47:27.000 You know, that's how far I go back.

00:47:29.000 Yeah.

00:47:29.000 I'm a hip-hop kid.

00:47:30.000 I love hip-hop.

00:47:31.000 So you're a little kid, and you're seeing nothing but this for 10 years.

00:47:36.000 10 years later, you're 18, you're ready to vote.

00:47:38.000 Your whole world is shaped around this idea that police are going around mercilessly murdering people and targeting black people, and it's just an extreme insane exaggeration built by social media manipulation.

00:47:50.000 So as much as the internet's empowered the ability of conservatives who tended to have

00:47:54.000 a bad message, bad messaging, or were locked out from the media, you end up with people who are

00:47:59.000 living in a deranged state, like Trump derangement syndrome from this stuff. Like how do you reach

00:48:03.000 these people? And I mean, how do you, it feels like the country's bifurcated the point where,

00:48:09.000 to put it another way, you've got the West Coast wanted to ban gas vehicles. You've got some states

00:48:15.000 banning child sex change operations, some states becoming sanctuaries for child sex

00:48:19.000 I don't see how you pull that stuff together.

00:48:20.000 How do you bring these cultures back together? 0.55

00:48:22.000 I mean, look, it's very difficult, but that's where programs like yours come in, you know?

00:48:26.000 I mean, Bobert was like, hey, Byron, you gotta come in and do this podcast tonight.

00:48:30.000 I said, you know, whose podcast are we doing?

00:48:32.000 She's like, I'm gonna tell you about them, it's great.

00:48:34.000 I said, alright, cool, I'm in, I'm gonna do it.

00:48:37.000 You have to do programming like this.

00:48:39.000 I think that the way that our party has done messaging is you deal with the Washington Post and New York Times.

00:48:47.000 MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC. 0.90

00:48:50.000 They hate your guts.

00:48:52.000 You know you're going to get a hard interview.

00:48:54.000 When Fox came along 30 years ago, Fox was like a revelation for the conservative movement and for the Republican Party.

00:49:01.000 Just being honest.

00:49:02.000 It was a revelation, right?

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:04.000 But because young people taking information on this thing at warp speed, because I got three kids, they look at their phones.

00:49:13.000 They don't even watch TV anymore.

00:49:14.000 So I try to tell my colleagues, I'm like, guys, don't get me wrong, doing interviews is cool, but there's a whole nother ecosystem you have to penetrate.

00:49:25.000 How do you do it?

00:49:26.000 Do you do it through reels?

00:49:27.000 Do you do it with shorts?

00:49:28.000 Do you do it with responses to some narrative out of media?

00:49:32.000 And it's not just doing it once.

00:49:33.000 It's not just saying, oh, I went on, and this is no disrespect to Sean Hannity, love the dude, good dude, but it's not just doing a Hannity prime time hit.

00:49:41.000 It's are you in a rapid fire response, pushing narratives, pushing messages, what's actually happening, being able to explain the thing in 90 seconds.

00:49:52.000 Like, you don't have 20 minutes.

00:49:55.000 And don't get me wrong, look, I'm about as eloquent as they come.

00:49:58.000 People love listening to me.

00:50:00.000 I don't got 20 minutes.

00:50:01.000 I got 90 seconds to get this thing right.

00:50:03.000 But think about even in Congress, you had what, five minutes to question Twitter?

00:50:08.000 Right.

00:50:08.000 How do you get through a deep conversation to break down the issues that are negatively impacting this country if they're like, your five minutes begins now, good luck?

00:50:18.000 Well, that's why I try to change the rules.

00:50:20.000 So what I've been talking to the chairman and to the speaker was, we got to get out of this mindset of every member is recognized for five minutes. 0.74

00:50:27.000 That's ridiculous.

00:50:29.000 By the time you get warmed up, the time is over. 0.85

00:50:32.000 And then the other thing is, a lot of members waste time because they're trying to fill their time.

00:50:37.000 And then the third piece is, staff members write most of the questions in most of these speeches.

00:50:41.000 So you'll see the member like this, and they'll be reading their thing like this.

00:50:44.000 And they'll never look at the person sitting in the chair, their eyes are down because they're reading it.

00:50:48.000 You don't have an opportunity to engage in a legitimate dialogue on the issues presented.

00:50:55.000 So my position has always been, look, get rid of seniority recognition.

00:51:01.000 Get rid of the five minutes.

00:51:03.000 Have the chairman recognize members as they choose to be recognized.

00:51:07.000 What you would have is a dialogue between members, a dialogue with the witnesses, then you can get into a situation like that.

00:51:14.000 Oh, I don't have my five minutes.

00:51:15.000 I got one question.

00:51:16.000 I threw out a question.

00:51:17.000 Ocasio-Cortez does whatever she does on the other side.

00:51:20.000 I look at it like, oh, that's a bunch of BS.

00:51:22.000 Chairman, let me in.

00:51:23.000 I come back, fire back.

00:51:25.000 That's how you get the dialogue moving.

00:51:28.000 That's what Congress doesn't do.

00:51:30.000 Right.

00:51:31.000 Because Congress is fixated on doing your clip for a newsreel that might show up in one of the network news shows at night or maybe the New York Times might report on it or the Philadelphia Inquirer or whatever or the LA Times.

00:51:47.000 We're in a different genre in media.

00:51:51.000 And so you've got to have that conflict in a positive way to get the message out to people to see what's really happening.

00:51:57.000 What do you think about the squad?

00:51:58.000 How is your relationship with them?

00:52:00.000 So I talk to some of them on the side.

00:52:03.000 I just keep it professional.

00:52:06.000 Again, I grew up in the inner city.

00:52:08.000 So for me, it's never personal until you mess with my personal safety or my family or my money.

00:52:15.000 You do that, now it's personal.

00:52:18.000 Everything else is business.

00:52:20.000 Is that why in Congress, because people are getting, like, basically bribed by, you know, pharmaceutical companies, whoever, they're, what do they call them, lobbyists, that they actually feel like you're threatening their money if you're passing a bill that denies their lobbyists?

00:52:33.000 No, no, no, no, that's not even it, because the truth is about lobbyists is they're going to write you a check regardless.

00:52:39.000 What a lobbyist really wants is access.

00:52:41.000 They want to be able to be like, look, if I pass you a $5,000 check, if I call your staff or if I, if I happen to have your cell phone, will you answer my call and give me an opportunity to explain myself?

00:52:53.000 Lobbyists are counting votes, which also is what leadership in both chambers is doing.

00:52:58.000 They're counting votes.

00:52:59.000 That's all they're doing.

00:53:01.000 I tell people at home all the time, look, If you call my office, just you by yourself, I don't even know that you called.

00:53:08.000 If a hundred people called my office, my chief of staff knows and she's like, hey Byron, we had a hundred calls on this issue.

00:53:16.000 If a thousand people call, my whole office knows what's going on and I definitely know what's going on.

00:53:21.000 That's how this works.

00:53:22.000 The lobbyists, all they're doing is trying to have an ability to have a conversation with the member.

00:53:28.000 If you have members who change their opinions just because of what a lobbyist says, you got a weak member.

00:53:33.000 That person probably needs to go home and not be an elected official.

00:53:36.000 Real talk, right?

00:53:38.000 But the issue is not just the lobbyists per se.

00:53:41.000 When I talk about being able to talk with members on the other side, squad members, me and Jamal Bowman, we talk football.

00:53:49.000 We don't even talk politics.

00:53:51.000 We know we don't agree on politics.

00:53:53.000 So we're talking about the NFL.

00:53:55.000 We talk football.

00:53:57.000 And because we talk football, we have an ability to engage each other if there's something popping up where a conversation needs to be had.

00:54:06.000 With the squad members, For everybody who says, oh, Freedom Caucus members are always causing problems in Republican leadership, squad members cause problems in Democrat leadership.

00:54:16.000 They do the same thing on the other side, but our politics are so different.

00:54:21.000 That's why people think we're always at odds with them.

00:54:23.000 They seem to be marching more in lockstep with the rest of the party these days, though, especially when it comes to war.

00:54:29.000 I would argue that what they've done on their side is they've gotten their party to march in lockstep with them.

00:54:34.000 Wow.

00:54:34.000 You know how many Democrat members are afraid of being primaried by squad members or potential squad members?

00:54:40.000 A lot of them.

00:54:41.000 I kind of like that, to be honest.

00:54:42.000 But I'm just keeping it real.

00:54:44.000 You know why Chuck Schumer was wilding out and starting to say all these positions?

00:54:50.000 He didn't want to be primaried by AOC, that's why.

00:54:53.000 I hope she doesn't.

00:54:53.000 And look, me and Cortez, I talk to her every now and again, but Chuck Schumer, he didn't want that smoke.

00:55:01.000 I promise you that.

00:55:02.000 He didn't want that action.

00:55:04.000 I gotta say about AOC, one of the biggest issues I have is she's talking about January 6th and she fabricated a story about what happened.

00:55:13.000 So she says that she's in her office and someone knocks on the door and then she hides in the bathroom and someone says, where is she?

00:55:19.000 Where is she?

00:55:20.000 And all that stuff.

00:55:22.000 Then you get the response from the conservatives saying she wasn't even in the Capitol building.

00:55:26.000 Then you get the response from the media saying, yeah, but they're all connected.

00:55:29.000 Then I looked at this and I was like, her story took place an hour before the Capitol was even breached.

00:55:34.000 Why would she hide in the bathroom thinking someone was coming for her unless she knew in advance people were going to break into the building?

00:55:40.000 Or are stories fake?

00:55:41.000 Well, I mean, look, she, you know, she lives by the drama code of politics. 1.00

00:55:45.000 You know, it's like the other thing where she was at the protest in front of the Supreme Court, and she tried to fake like she got arrested.

00:55:52.000 Yeah, she put her hands behind her back.

00:55:54.000 She put her hands behind her back and raised her hand.

00:55:55.000 I'm like, come on, sis, you ain't getting no cuffs on you. 0.71

00:55:58.000 Because if you did, you couldn't, you know, it's stuff like that.

00:56:00.000 So she lives by the drama of politics.

00:56:02.000 It is what it is.

00:56:04.000 But I think that what has happened in both parties, Is that you've had the reflection of voters who are tired of establishment politics.

00:56:16.000 They're tired of being given a false narrative or a half a narrative that isn't really real.

00:56:24.000 That because there's some deal cut up here in Capitol Hill that the people don't know about, they're cut out of the process.

00:56:30.000 And so what we call the squad on the other side is really the culmination of the Occupy movement a decade ago.

00:56:38.000 What you call Freedom Caucus members on our side is really the fulfillment of the Tea Party wave 10 years ago.

00:56:46.000 Because voters on both sides of the political spectrum have had enough of business as usual in Washington, D.C.

00:56:54.000 That's actually a good thing.

00:56:56.000 So what's happened in the Democrat caucus is the reason why it appears that the squad just kind of goes along, they've actually moved their caucus on a myriad of issues.

00:57:06.000 Bro, they're out here talking about how it's cool to transgender kids.

00:57:12.000 Joe Biden, that was not his position a decade ago, I promise you that.

00:57:16.000 But the reason why he's gotta be cool with that now is because that is where the base of his party has gone, in part because of members like the Squad and activists in the Democrat base.

00:57:27.000 That's what's happened.

00:57:29.000 I feel like that is a representation analogous to fire, a chaotic destructive force that is spreading.

00:57:37.000 Actually, you know what?

00:57:38.000 I don't think this.

00:57:38.000 I know this.

00:57:39.000 If you go to your average American and you show them the book Genderqueer, for instance.

00:57:44.000 You've heard about this book?

00:57:45.000 I've heard about it.

00:57:45.000 And it's got graphic images in it.

00:57:47.000 It's a pretty messed up book if you read the whole thing, too.

00:57:49.000 And it's sad.

00:57:50.000 This woman was traumatized. 0.97

00:57:52.000 But when I tell regular people this, and we live and work about a half an hour away from where that big Loudoun County fight was happening with these schools, they say, that's not true.

00:58:03.000 I say, here is a physical copy of the book, open it up.

00:58:06.000 They look at it and they say, this had to have been one school.

00:58:09.000 And so what you end up with is people like the squad.

00:58:12.000 People in their activist base, which I believe represents a very small percentage of this country, who are advocating for extremist policies, either open borders, abolishing private healthcare, child sex change operations, things like that.

00:58:25.000 And when you talk to regular Americans, they don't believe it's actually happening.

00:58:28.000 Right.

00:58:29.000 They don't.

00:58:30.000 I don't.

00:58:30.000 They actually want to abolish private health care?

00:58:33.000 Yes.

00:58:34.000 Not just establish a public option?

00:58:37.000 The public option was a pathway to universal health care.

00:58:40.000 Always was.

00:58:42.000 And so one of the things when Scott Brown got elected in Massachusetts, the reason why Nancy Pelosi just pushed for Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act as was, is because she understood That if they did the push for a public option, it would have completely blown up the bill and there would be no Obamacare. 0.71

00:59:02.000 So her position was, let's just get the thing we got right now because we can't send it back to the Senate because we don't have 60 votes anymore. 0.98

00:59:09.000 We got 59.

00:59:10.000 And if it comes back this way, it's done.

00:59:13.000 And that's what happened.

00:59:15.000 So they're still mad because they thought the game plan was public option, because public option would have eviscerated private insurance.

00:59:23.000 Because everybody would have just dumped people into the public option.

00:59:26.000 That's what they wanted.

00:59:28.000 But it didn't happen because Scott Brown got elected.

00:59:30.000 Those are facts.

00:59:32.000 Bernie Sanders campaigned during the 2020 election primaries, not on creating a private and public multifaceted system, but outright abolishing all private healthcare, which has never—it's not even—like, all the countries they tout in Europe, they have both.

00:59:47.000 They have both.

00:59:48.000 Yeah, so I mean, even my advocacy, I've been like, you know, if a kid gets the flu, I think

00:59:53.000 it would be great if he could go to the doctor and get Tamiflu.

00:59:55.000 If you broke your arm, you could go in and get it taken care of.

00:59:57.000 You don't got to worry about going bankrupt.

00:59:59.000 I think a lot of Americans worry about that stuff.

01:00:00.000 And then if you get something like advanced lymphoma, which requires expensive bills,

01:00:06.000 you know, a certain amount of it is covered, but there's limitations to what we can provide.

01:00:09.000 So I'm not fully on board with we can cure every disease for every single person.

01:00:14.000 I'm in the middle where it's like it'd be nice if people had some basic level of coverage.

01:00:17.000 But what's being proposed by the progressives is one of the most extreme positions in the

01:00:22.000 world.

01:00:23.000 Right.

01:00:24.000 I understand socialized emergency care.

01:00:26.000 If someone falls down and breaks their arm and they are poor, you help that person.

01:00:30.000 But socialized chronic care... Which we basically have.

01:00:33.000 We have that now.

01:00:34.000 And that's cool because you want to save a life, save a life.

01:00:36.000 But when people eat themselves into sickness and then expect the taxpayer to cover their injections of random Pfizer drugs, I'm not into it.

01:00:44.000 I don't want to pay for people to eat sickness.

01:00:46.000 Like, sugar is horrible for your body if you overdose on that stuff.

01:00:51.000 I like Snickers, man.

01:00:52.000 Hold on, man.

01:00:53.000 I like Snickers.

01:00:54.000 Don't do that.

01:00:55.000 But I know your point.

01:00:56.000 I see your point.

01:00:57.000 I get your point.

01:00:58.000 I think the key thing is that, you know, the issue with the Democrats is it's never good enough.

01:01:06.000 They constantly are pushing for the next wave because what they fully ultimately want is Complete control of the industry.

01:01:16.000 That's what they want.

01:01:18.000 They'll never say that in campaigns.

01:01:20.000 They'll never say that in speeches.

01:01:23.000 But when you ask them, well, when is enough enough?

01:01:25.000 They'll be like, like Joe Biden said the other day, let's finish the job.

01:01:29.000 Well, finish what job, bro?

01:01:31.000 You just spent $5 trillion we don't have.

01:01:33.000 We're at the debt ceiling now.

01:01:35.000 You created a labor shortage in our economy.

01:01:38.000 When you pay people to stay home, what you do is create a labor shortage.

01:01:43.000 What do I mean by that?

01:01:45.000 Number one, you don't have to go work 40 hours because there's money coming in from somewhere else.

01:01:51.000 But you still have the same amount of money to buy products.

01:01:55.000 So people aren't working to the level necessary to create all the products at a certain cost.

01:02:02.000 But everybody's got money to buy it.

01:02:05.000 Well, what does that mean?

01:02:07.000 Heavy demand, limited supply means the prices go up.

01:02:12.000 That's what's happened in the economy.

01:02:14.000 Joe Biden did that.

01:02:16.000 You had the Inflation Reduction Act, which was like one of the biggest misnomers in American history.

01:02:21.000 That thing doesn't do anything for inflation. 0.99

01:02:23.000 It was the Green New Deal's little sister. 0.85

01:02:25.000 That's what it was.

01:02:26.000 That was in that bill.

01:02:28.000 The infrastructure bill was a prelude to Build Back Better.

01:02:31.000 They just couldn't get the votes because he wanted to spend too much money.

01:02:35.000 If Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema were like, yeah, we're cool spending another $4 trillion, Build Back Better would have been law.

01:02:41.000 Facts.

01:02:42.000 That's the deal.

01:02:44.000 So where we're at right now, you got to understand a couple of things.

01:02:48.000 One, you cannot just spend money recklessly.

01:02:52.000 The laws of economics don't change.

01:02:54.000 I don't care who you are.

01:02:55.000 I don't care how well you speak.

01:02:56.000 I don't care how cool you are.

01:02:58.000 I don't care what your fit looks like.

01:03:00.000 You cannot spend money unilaterally.

01:03:04.000 The laws of economics don't change.

01:03:06.000 It hits everybody.

01:03:07.000 Don't believe me?

01:03:08.000 Ask the Weimar Republic.

01:03:11.000 So people super chatted us the other day when he said, let's finish the job.

01:03:15.000 We had a great super chat.

01:03:16.000 Sorry, I forget.

01:03:17.000 I can't remember the name of the individual who chatted us, but he said he's referring to jamming the knife in the back of the gasping corpse of the economy.

01:03:25.000 He's saying, let's finish it off.

01:03:27.000 And to those that know his policies have resulted in damage, chaos, inflation, et cetera, it sounds like he's saying, let's make it worse.

01:03:35.000 I'm not a tinfoil hat guy.

01:03:37.000 That's not me.

01:03:38.000 I'm a city kid, man.

01:03:39.000 I deal in common sense.

01:03:43.000 My grandmother, God rest her soul, was from Jamaica. 0.99

01:03:46.000 She would always be like, Byron, you have to have common sense.

01:03:49.000 Boy, you must think right.

01:03:50.000 That was her.

01:03:51.000 I deal in common sense.

01:03:53.000 But when you look at the policy outcomes of where they want to take us, that's only because the only way you can fundamentally make changes in our economy, which is the best by far the best in the history of the world, is you have to make it so hard.

01:04:08.000 To earn money, you have to make it so difficult to keep wealth that there has to be some fix from Washington D.C.

01:04:19.000 And the fix is only more control up here with people who, frankly, with all due respect to my colleagues, they don't have the intellect to manage your life.

01:04:26.000 They don't have it.

01:04:27.000 I know one thing that they've done, we got a bunch of new people coming in.

01:04:30.000 Oh! 0.60

01:04:31.000 Is that who that is?

01:04:31.000 A lot of the, when they printed all this money, they're telling American people that, trust us, modern monetary theory.

01:04:39.000 That's crazy.

01:04:39.000 But what the trick is, is they're not investing the money in infrastructure programs, production and things.

01:04:44.000 That's monetary theory, is that you put, you print 10 trillion dollars, you put it into factories so that you start producing goods that are worth more than the 10 trillion.

01:04:53.000 They're not producing the things, they're just putting it in bank accounts.

01:04:56.000 Look, let me keep it real simple about modern monetary.

01:04:59.000 For every one of your listeners that's got a little brother or little sister, let them just spend whatever they want regardless of how much money's in the family's bank account.

01:05:07.000 How's that gonna work?

01:05:08.000 It's an unmitigated disaster.

01:05:11.000 And mom's gonna be mad. 0.99

01:05:12.000 Somebody's getting a spanking. 1.00

01:05:14.000 I still believe in spanking. 1.00

01:05:15.000 I got kids. 0.98

01:05:16.000 I spank my kids. 0.86

01:05:16.000 It's whatever. 0.86

01:05:17.000 You know, social media can get mad at me, but it is what it is.

01:05:20.000 Somebody's in trouble.

01:05:22.000 You cannot just spend money Without any controls on what comes in.

01:05:28.000 Nobody can do that.

01:05:31.000 If you borrow money incessantly, you create the situation where republics have fallen.

01:05:37.000 That's what's happened to too many republics in the history of the world.

01:05:40.000 So when you have conservatives like myself who say, look, control spending, make sure you're doing it the right way.

01:05:45.000 When you do that, You create the environment for economies to thrive, for people to grow, etc.

01:05:52.000 Real quick, because I'm going to do a quick segue.

01:05:54.000 Because he usually segues for me, I get the opportunity to segue for him.

01:05:58.000 Ladies and gentlemen, man sitting down in the room right now.

01:06:02.000 He is the forerunner of what it means to bring the diesel, to question people.

01:06:07.000 This is the guy you see with no jacket on, but a tie.

01:06:11.000 and a dress shirt.

01:06:12.000 He is the guy that myself, Boebert, and so many of us have watched on TV and in committee hearings, grilling the Democrats day after day after day.

01:06:22.000 This is one of the forerunners of the conservative movement in our country, my good friend, the Honorable, from Ohio, Jim Jordan.

01:06:29.000 Byron, thank you.

01:06:30.000 Tim, good to be with you.

01:06:31.000 Yeah, how's it going, man?

01:06:33.000 I'm doing fine.

01:06:34.000 Byron's doing the interview here now?

01:06:37.000 I've been down to Naples and talked to all his Republican buddies.

01:06:40.000 I was going to start though.

01:06:42.000 With, what is it called, Chicken City?

01:06:44.000 Yeah.

01:06:45.000 So my wife, she literally built, we have eight acres out in the country around her family's farm. 0.90

01:06:50.000 She built her, I call it the Taj Mahal, she built her own chicken coop from scratch. 1.00

01:06:54.000 She did it all.

01:06:55.000 And now we have the security camera stuff up, but she can watch her chickens via security camera. 1.00

01:07:00.000 So we got great eggs and all, but I understand you guys are, this is your thing too, so it's amazing.

01:07:06.000 Yeah, we have Chicken City.

01:07:07.000 We've got, I think, 30 or so chickens.

01:07:09.000 We've got a camera.

01:07:10.000 You can watch them all day.

01:07:11.000 There used to be a couple, but now it's just one watching them all do their chicken stuff.

01:07:15.000 Yeah.

01:07:15.000 Chickens are hilarious.

01:07:16.000 They are funny.

01:07:18.000 Yeah.

01:07:18.000 She's had to come out yelling to get the fox away because, you know, she had started with, what, nine and she's down to five, but we still get plenty of eggs each.

01:07:26.000 I don't know if you do that.

01:07:27.000 They probably do that in Naples.

01:07:28.000 Jim, I love you, man, but I don't do chickens, man.

01:07:31.000 I go to the supermarket and get the eggs.

01:07:33.000 I appreciate.

01:07:34.000 Ours are cheaper.

01:07:35.000 Ours are cheaper right now.

01:07:36.000 You know, I'm gonna come by.

01:07:38.000 I'm gonna come by.

01:07:38.000 They're cheaper.

01:07:39.000 Yeah.

01:07:40.000 Cause you know, I got sons and they eat like eggs all the time cause they're all lifting weights and whatnot.

01:07:45.000 And I'm out on that.

01:07:47.000 They're training all the time.

01:07:48.000 Real quick.

01:07:48.000 I want to ask you this one question and then I'm going to turn it over because I'm not an interviewer.

01:07:53.000 I answer too many questions these days.

01:07:56.000 My question for you, And I've never asked you this question.

01:08:03.000 What was the thing, what was the aha moment that made you realize that conservatism was the path forward for the country?

01:08:13.000 I mean, I was raised in a conservative family, although my dad was a Democrat.

01:08:16.000 He was a union worker for General Motors, and like a lot of Americans in 1980, decided enough of this Democrat stuff, he's going to vote for the Reagan guy.

01:08:25.000 But raised in a conservative, kind of Christian home, but for me it's probably athletics, you know?

01:08:31.000 The idea in America is, you know, you set a goal, you work hard, and you try to accomplish things, and that seemed to fit with conservatism.

01:08:37.000 And my background is a sport of wrestling.

01:08:38.000 I wanted to play football, but I'm five, seven and a half on a good day, so I had to wrestle.

01:08:43.000 But yeah, it's probably wrestling, because it's all about competition.

01:08:46.000 I think it's one of the problems in the country today is people, you don't have people competing.

01:08:52.000 And frankly, I don't think you have enough people just involved in being tough.

01:08:55.000 No one gets in a fight in school anymore.

01:08:56.000 You don't have enough kids playing football or wrestling.

01:08:59.000 I think that's a problem.

01:08:59.000 So it probably came from my background in the sport of wrestling, because I started when I was in third grade and did it for the longest time.

01:09:08.000 Did you want to be a professional wrestler, Jim?

01:09:10.000 No, there's no real professional wrestling and amateur wrestling.

01:09:13.000 I wanted to be a state champion.

01:09:14.000 You never wanted to be a WWE champion?

01:09:16.000 No, that's for big guys like you, Byron.

01:09:19.000 That's for guys like you.

01:09:21.000 Time out.

01:09:21.000 Side point.

01:09:22.000 I'm going to give up the headset and the microphone.

01:09:24.000 I went to a WWE event in my district.

01:09:27.000 I actually like pro wrestling.

01:09:30.000 It's a thing for me.

01:09:31.000 I like the showmanship and all that.

01:09:32.000 It's fun.

01:09:33.000 It's interesting.

01:09:34.000 So I go in the locker room, right?

01:09:36.000 They gave me like the treatment.

01:09:37.000 They're like, we're gonna bring superstars in to meet with you.

01:09:39.000 I was like, okay, cool.

01:09:41.000 You know the thing I realized?

01:09:43.000 I'm bigger than most of the dudes on the roster.

01:09:45.000 I got pictures with Big E who was a WWE champion at the time before he broke his neck because somebody did a suplex and they messed him up.

01:09:52.000 Hopefully, you know, shout to Big E. Hopefully he comes back.

01:09:56.000 But I took a picture with the Money in the Bank briefcase.

01:09:59.000 I got a picture with it, and I'm like three inches taller, and I'm like thicker than him, and I'm like, oh, I could do this.

01:10:04.000 The only WWE people I know are the ones who are in real wrestling.

01:10:08.000 Gable Stevenson was three-time NCAA champion and Olympic champ, and now he's winning WWE and doing fine.

01:10:16.000 And he's a guy who's 275.

01:10:17.000 He wins the Olympics.

01:10:21.000 And 275, six foot whatever, runs, does a round off into a full back layout. 0.91

01:10:27.000 And I'm like, 265 can do that?

01:10:29.000 He's an athlete.

01:10:30.000 So there are athletes, but it's, you know, it's, it's entertainment.

01:10:33.000 Okay.

01:10:33.000 That's the end of my WWE drills because I'm 275 and trust me, I ain't doing that no more.

01:10:39.000 So we're done.

01:10:40.000 Sorry, Vince, can't sign me.

01:10:42.000 Let's talk with Congressman Jordan about Twitter.

01:10:44.000 Do you want to hop over here and grab the mic from Byron?

01:10:47.000 And then I just want to add to that, man, you mentioned wrestling and competition.

01:10:50.000 I grew up skateboarding, and skateboarding, it's a very individualistic sport where you can't cheat.

01:10:59.000 If you want to succeed at the trick, you have to commit to it, and if you don't do it, that's it.

01:11:03.000 You didn't do it.

01:11:04.000 It's for you, not anybody else.

01:11:05.000 Well said.

01:11:06.000 So there's a lot of risk-taking, there's a lot of overcoming fears, and real-life lessons that come with it.

01:11:11.000 When you're first standing on top of a mini-ramp or a half-pipe, looking down, about to drop in, it's terrifying.

01:11:17.000 I can imagine.

01:11:18.000 But you can't fake it.

01:11:19.000 Yeah.

01:11:19.000 You can't pretend.

01:11:20.000 No.

01:11:20.000 So let's talk about Twitter, because, I mean, this is the Twitter files.

01:11:24.000 It's a big deal.

01:11:24.000 It's funny you say that, because You wanna grab the mic and keep us a little close?

01:11:28.000 Wrestling is the same way.

01:11:29.000 When you step out there on the mat, it's just you, God, and your opponent.

01:11:32.000 You win, you win.

01:11:33.000 You lose, you lose.

01:11:34.000 And there's no one to blame, no one to... That's the way it is.

01:11:37.000 And it sort of teaches you to deal with things.

01:11:39.000 Just like when you're standing on top and going down with the skateboard, what do you call it, the half pipe?

01:11:44.000 Half pipe, quarter pipe, various sizes.

01:11:46.000 You're competing against yourself.

01:11:48.000 If you wanna get that good feeling of accomplishment, You can't lie to yourself.

01:11:53.000 You know you didn't do it.

01:11:55.000 Yeah.

01:11:56.000 So I think that, you know, that instilled in me a lot of ideas of personal responsibility, individualism, et cetera.

01:12:02.000 And I think, you know, getting into skateboarding as a sport when I was younger, and then having the ability to overcome and accomplish yourself, you know, your goals and yourself with no one in the way, I think, probably led me to be more independent and individualist.

01:12:18.000 But I do think physical activity and competition is important.

01:12:22.000 So, you were mentioning... I'm a lot older than you, but when I grew up, you played, you competed every day.

01:12:28.000 And I went to a little local country public school.

01:12:31.000 You competed in the classroom.

01:12:32.000 You learned in your multiplication tables.

01:12:33.000 You did this thing you called Around the World.

01:12:35.000 You had to try to say it faster than the person you stood beside.

01:12:37.000 And it was a competition.

01:12:38.000 You kept moving.

01:12:39.000 Is it the math thing?

01:12:40.000 Yeah, we used to do that, too.

01:12:41.000 Yeah, that's good.

01:12:42.000 I don't know if they even allow kids to do that in school today.

01:12:45.000 On the playground, we played kickball, we played football, we played the game that you can't even say the name.

01:12:49.000 You throw the ball up, someone catches it, you run around, everyone tackles him, and you got in a fight.

01:12:53.000 Every couple weeks, you get in a fight with somebody.

01:12:55.000 It was all good.

01:12:58.000 That's life on the playground.

01:12:59.000 And it wasn't a grudge, you just got in a fight because, you know, out safe, out safe, and kickball, no, no, we're going to get in a fight and everything's fine.

01:13:05.000 But I think we're losing some of that, and I don't know that that's good.

01:13:09.000 Yeah.

01:13:09.000 Well, let's talk about censorship, manipulation.

01:13:12.000 I was talking with Congresswoman Boebert, and I gotta say I'm a bit pessimistic because on this show, for instance, we've had on only a few guests who are more liberal-leaning.

01:13:22.000 And we invite many on, but many just don't want to do it.

01:13:24.000 The only ones who do either are up-and-coming and looking for an opportunity, which, you know, we're trying to...

01:13:31.000 We do want to have some of these individuals.

01:13:33.000 I don't want to limit someone's ability to speak because they're not famous or anything like that, but we're trying to engage in debates with people who are influencing the debate itself, but they don't want to.

01:13:41.000 And often what we find is people like squad members either are intentionally lying or don't know what they're talking about.

01:13:48.000 An example I'll give is when AOC Today said during the Twitter hearings that Boston's Children's Hospital was lied about by Libs of TikTok.

01:13:56.000 claimed that they were giving hysterectomies to children, but they actually list on their website, reportedly,

01:14:00.000 that they offered hysterectomies to adolescents, if we want to be specific.

01:14:05.000 And there was even a video where they described gender-affirming hysterectomies at a children's hospital.

01:14:09.000 So either she knows what she's saying is not true, or she genuinely believes incorrect things.

01:14:14.000 If big tech is censoring conversations, and even us right now on this show

01:14:18.000 are subject to those restrictions, how can we advance the country in a positive direction,

01:14:23.000 come to real solutions, make people's lives better, if we can't even discuss the problem.

01:14:29.000 I think you've hit on sort of the key thing here.

01:14:32.000 The left today doesn't embrace the First Amendment.

01:14:35.000 And that is literally something that has changed in my judgment in the last 10 to 15 years.

01:14:39.000 It used to be the left would, you know, get your best hold, make your best argument, full embrace of the First Amendment, your right to speak, and let's have the debate and see who wins.

01:14:48.000 And then we move on to the next issue.

01:14:50.000 That's the way it used to be, but not today.

01:14:51.000 Today the left says, if you don't agree with me, you're not allowed to talk. 0.94

01:14:56.000 And if you try, we're going to call you racist, we're going to call you fascist, we're going to call you names, we're going to try to cancel you.

01:15:01.000 And I've said this on the House floor when we were talking about the whole cancel culture phenomena. 0.97

01:15:06.000 I said, don't think that they won't come for you.

01:15:09.000 It's not just they're coming after conservatives or Republicans or libertarians.

01:15:12.000 They're going to come for everybody.

01:15:13.000 And that very week, if I remember right, that very week is the week they said the Dianne Feinstein Elementary School in San Francisco will no longer be named after Senator Feinstein.

01:15:21.000 She wasn't good enough.

01:15:22.000 Liberal icon, not good enough because of something she said 30, 40 years ago.

01:15:26.000 That is the problem.

01:15:27.000 And look, I got liberal friends.

01:15:28.000 Denis Kucinich is a friend of mine.

01:15:30.000 And, you know, he's way over here, and he thinks Jordan's way over here.

01:15:33.000 But we're friends, and he believes in the First Amendment.

01:15:36.000 That's the problem today, is if you don't go along with the left, they try to cancel you.

01:15:41.000 And their appetite, I think, knows no bounds, knows no end, and they will come for everyone.

01:15:46.000 That's why we got to push back.

01:15:48.000 And we got to push back on big tech so that we have that public square, that forum, that forum that is now the public square.

01:15:53.000 Are you winning?

01:15:55.000 I think we're making some progress, finally.

01:15:57.000 And of course, the biggest win was Elon Musk buying Twitter and showing us what was going on.

01:16:00.000 As my good friend Thomas Massey said, he bought a crime scene.

01:16:03.000 It cost him billions of dollars, but he bought a crime scene and laid out what happened there.

01:16:09.000 That first they had their written policies that they enforced selectively.

01:16:13.000 And then the closer they got to the election, the more they enforced them selectively.

01:16:17.000 And then when their policies weren't good enough, they just had an ad hoc way of like, we're going to do whatever we want to do and censor whoever we want to censor.

01:16:22.000 Do you think the Twitter executives lied today in these hearings?

01:16:25.000 I think they didn't tell us everything because you know one of the things I just one question I'm just talking with Lauren when she asked about the hearing today too and I said the one question sort of stuck on me I asked because I looked at you know Baker's testimony Jim Baker who was deputy chief counsel and before that he was chief counsel at the FBI and on the top of the second page of his thing he says that he he didn't improperly suppress any information that would be good for the public dialogue.

01:16:49.000 Well, if you didn't improperly suppress, then you believe you properly suppressed something.

01:16:53.000 What was it and when did it happen?

01:16:54.000 And he wouldn't, he wouldn't answer it.

01:16:56.000 And he, he, he had behind a privilege.

01:16:58.000 Um, but I, I want to know if that's right around the time that the Twitter files, when Musk bought Twitter and they're doing the Twitter files and they find out those are being filtered through Jim Baker, was he suppressing information then?

01:17:10.000 I don't know.

01:17:11.000 So that was one of the takeaways I had.

01:17:13.000 I wonder if there's potentially an FTC violation with Twitter in that before Elon Musk took over, and even now, there was this... Before Elon Musk, when you're on your Twitter feed, there's little stars in the top right corner.

01:17:25.000 You click it, it says, switch between your home feed, which is algorithmic, and the latest tweets, which means that a user like me or any other person who signs up, if we select latest tweets, we expect to see the posts from individuals we follow in reverse chronological order.

01:17:42.000 But Twitter was manipulating that feed while advertising falsely what they were delivering to people.

01:17:48.000 Yeah, so we asked about that today.

01:17:50.000 So we asked, great point, we asked, okay, so when someone gets their account suspended or gets suspended from it, or their tweet's being taken down, there's a notice of that.

01:18:02.000 But if they're doing what they call other visibility filtering, like blacklisting someone, stopping them from trending, they don't know that.

01:18:10.000 And it's happening.

01:18:11.000 And I asked him, like, are you doing that on specific accounts?

01:18:14.000 Is it driven by certain key words that enforce that?

01:18:18.000 How is that done?

01:18:19.000 And they didn't really seem to, at least I didn't figure out how they were answering that, but the fact that they were doing that and people didn't know, then I said, did that happen to any government officials or elected officials?

01:18:32.000 And he said he didn't know, but he thought it did.

01:18:34.000 So this is Yoel Roth, who we asked these questions to.

01:18:38.000 So again, that's something.

01:18:39.000 And the examples in the Twitter files are Bongino and Charlie Kirk.

01:18:45.000 That happened to them, and they didn't know.

01:18:46.000 Probably happened to you, and you didn't know about it.

01:18:48.000 There are these apps you can use where you enter your name, and it'll tell you the various filters that exist.

01:18:52.000 But even Dave Rubin just mentioned Elon Musk just showed him new ones.

01:18:56.000 They discovered new filters.

01:18:57.000 But I guess, you know, what I'm thinking is, We often focus on the censorship aspect, which I think, culturally and morally, those of us who care about real debate and logic and policy are shocked by.

01:19:10.000 But I'm also curious, how can Twitter, as a massive company with 300 million plus users, lie about the product they're delivering?

01:19:16.000 How can a corporation in America say, imagine this, imagine if a company said, You come to me, here's a contract, you get a gallon of whole milk.

01:19:24.000 Then they give you a gallon of 2%.

01:19:25.000 That sounds like they're falsely advertising what they're delivering.

01:19:29.000 If Twitter says the reverse chronological feed delivers you reverse chronological posts, but then they're using shadow ban algorithms, and we know they are, they're lying to their customers as to the product being delivered.

01:19:39.000 How is that legal?

01:19:39.000 How is that allowed?

01:19:40.000 Yeah, so one of the questions I asked, too, that he made me think of this, too, I asked this question, and I didn't fully understand it, but I asked if they were hard-coding into any specific accounts to censor them.

01:19:50.000 So they're, like, targeting that specific user.

01:19:54.000 And it was interesting how Yoel Roth kind of, and I want to go back and look at the transcript to see exactly how he said it, because he really didn't answer that square, that either.

01:20:02.000 I agree.

01:20:02.000 One of the things we want to do with legislation that we're planning on doing with Energy and Commerce Committee Is anything they do to your account, they have to tell you.

01:20:12.000 There has to be real transparency, there has to be a timeframe, there has to be a due process so that you can correct it, figure out what it is, to have the debate and correct it within a specified amount of time, and then if they don't, then you should have some kind of cause of action because they're violating a contract that they have with you, their user, their customer.

01:20:28.000 And the scary thing about what we've really learned, I think, from the Twitter files, too, is all the things they're doing, Twitter, but why in the world is the FBI coming in and telling Twitter, hey, these accounts have problems.

01:20:39.000 They violate your terms of service, Twitter.

01:20:43.000 What's the government telling Twitter these accounts violate Twitter's terms of service?

01:20:48.000 You gotta be kidding me.

01:20:49.000 And it wasn't because they were concerned about, you know, you being shadow banned or anything else.

01:20:52.000 It was because they wanted those accounts taken down.

01:20:54.000 That, to me, is the scariest part of all, which has come out in the Twitter files.

01:20:58.000 Do you think that those revelations, that Twitter and Facebook had portals for government agencies to flag content, do you think that was partisan?

01:21:06.000 Yeah.

01:21:07.000 To help Democrats?

01:21:09.000 I do, because, you know, The way I did it my first round of question day is I just asked, you know, was the Hunter Biden's laptop story, did the government tell you it was fake?

01:21:18.000 No.

01:21:19.000 Did the government tell you it was hacked?

01:21:20.000 No.

01:21:21.000 And then I said, and did it violate your terms of service?

01:21:24.000 And he said, no, it didn't.

01:21:25.000 But you took it down anyway.

01:21:26.000 Why'd you take it down?

01:21:27.000 I think they took it down because For months they've been meeting with Twitter.

01:21:36.000 They had asked Twitter if they wanted security clearances in 30 days prior to the election.

01:21:41.000 They'd sent them all kinds of emails heading on the email said Twitter folks as if they were best buddies and then they had the secret what I call the super secret James Bond teleporter app that they could send messages to that would that would you know go away and disappear within a matter of weeks.

01:21:56.000 So they do all this, and they're telling them, be on the lookout for hack and leak operations.

01:22:00.000 I think they played Twitter, and they understood, oh, this is, and they were a receptive audience, you know, like what it must say, 99% of them vote Democrat and give the Democrats.

01:22:09.000 So that was the environment.

01:22:11.000 They didn't need the specific email that said, take down the Hunter Biden laptop story.

01:22:17.000 They were all primed to do it based on what the FBI had done for months and months, meeting after meeting, text message, or excuse me, email after email.

01:22:25.000 They were primed to do it and that's what they did.

01:22:27.000 Someone chatted just now.

01:22:28.000 I think it's an important point.

01:22:29.000 They said that we're not the customers of Big Tech.

01:22:32.000 We're the product.

01:22:32.000 It's a misunderstanding.

01:22:34.000 And I understand that point.

01:22:34.000 The real customer, in a true sense of a transactional customer, is the advertisers who are buying access to data and access to an audience.

01:22:43.000 But I think in a legal sense, we, the users of Twitter, are still customers.

01:22:47.000 There may not be a financial transaction, but there's a contract between us as to what we get in exchange for the... There are policies in terms of services.

01:22:54.000 Yeah, it's a contract.

01:22:55.000 It's a contractual agreement.

01:22:57.000 Yeah, so I guess, you know, the challenges I suppose we're seeing now is, you know, look, you guys may have gotten just a modicum of power by taking back a few extra seats in the House, giving you this majority, but is it enough to create a long-standing impact, to pass laws, to actually get something done?

01:23:15.000 Are these hearings going to be enough to actually change things?

01:23:18.000 I mean, look, we hope so.

01:23:20.000 And all we can do is is what we can do.

01:23:22.000 And, you know, we got our first hearing tomorrow in this select committee.

01:23:25.000 We hope this is a committee or excuse me, a hearing that begins to frame it up.

01:23:30.000 We're having Tulsi Gabbard as one of our witnesses.

01:23:32.000 I think she'll be great.

01:23:33.000 She's a true believer in the First Amendment.

01:23:36.000 We have a couple of great senators, Senator Grassley, Senator Johnson, who were investigated and some of the things they told us that the Democrats in these Folks did to them and FDI did to them.

01:23:44.000 So we think it'll be a good hearing.

01:23:46.000 And then, of course, we have on the second panel, we have Professor Turley, whose op-ed out this week, I think, is really good because he used the term censorship by surrogate.

01:23:55.000 And that's what we have now.

01:23:56.000 You got the pressure from the government without explicitly telling them to do certain things.

01:24:00.000 At least we haven't found that yet, but we may find that.

01:24:02.000 But the pressure from the government and then the censorship from the tech platforms is real.

01:24:07.000 And when you view it in this, in my mind, you view it in this bigger framework of what we've seen the last couple years, I always tell folks every single right we enjoy under the First Amendment has been assaulted in the last couple years.

01:24:20.000 Everyone.

01:24:20.000 Your right to practice your faith, your right to petition the government, your right to assemble, freedom of press, freedom of speech, speech being the most important.

01:24:27.000 All of them have been attacked by the government, many of them in relation to COVID and the COVID policies, but a host of other things too, and it's really frightening.

01:24:34.000 You know what was the craziest thing about all that too, is even the third amendment got violated.

01:24:38.000 Did you see that one?

01:24:39.000 All of them.

01:24:39.000 The third amendment, the one that no one knows, because no one talks about, is that the government can't put soldiers in your house, right?

01:24:46.000 Because this is back in the revolutionary period, and then when they did the eviction moratorium, effectively created a circumstance in which active duty

01:24:55.000 soldiers who are renting property could not be evicted in violation of the

01:24:58.000 Third Amendment.

01:24:59.000 They violated so much of the Constitution, they woke up the third. 0.99

01:25:03.000 It's amazing and kind of scary at the same time.

01:25:06.000 I still remember, you know, the government told you you couldn't go to church.

01:25:10.000 Crazy.

01:25:11.000 I mean, the government said you couldn't come to your own Capitol that you pay for.

01:25:13.000 I mean, we're here in Capitol Hill now, but you couldn't come for like a year and a half.

01:25:17.000 Nancy Pelosi wouldn't let you in your Capitol that you pay for to petition your member of Congress to redress your grievances. 1.00

01:25:22.000 And the one I always remember is Jen Psaki standing at the White House in the press room.

01:25:27.000 Think about it.

01:25:28.000 The White House is considered the center of freedom on the planet.

01:25:31.000 Here's the press secretary to the President of the United States in the press room, and she stands there at the podium and she says, And it was live.

01:25:39.000 Americans now get their information from social media platforms.

01:25:41.000 We, the Biden administration, are working with social media platforms to limit

01:25:44.000 the information Americans can see.

01:25:46.000 It was a lie.

01:25:46.000 And I'm like, did I just see that?

01:25:49.000 The press secretary in the White House press briefing room saying she wants to limit the press.

01:25:54.000 I mean, this is scary where the left wants to go.

01:25:57.000 They cheer for it.

01:25:58.000 And they cheer it on.

01:25:58.000 This is what I was saying to Congresswoman Boebert a moment about an hour ago.

01:26:04.000 The way I view this is, with the manipulation of social media, the restriction of information to the American people, the Hunter Biden laptop story right before an election being a really prime example of this, They've created what I would describe as a hypoxic portion of the United States.

01:26:18.000 That is, when your brain is deprived of oxygen, you don't know.

01:26:22.000 You don't know.

01:26:23.000 I don't know if you've ever seen these videos, but they're actually quite revealing.

01:26:26.000 They'll put a person in a sealed chamber with a certain level of oxygen, and they'll slowly lower it while asking them to answer basic math questions.

01:26:35.000 To the person, they're saying, 1 plus 1 is 2, 2 plus 2 is 4, shmurblebobifidus 17, but in their mind, they're saying everything correctly.

01:26:44.000 Really?

01:26:45.000 Then they play back the video for them and the people are like, what?

01:26:48.000 I was speaking gibberish?

01:26:49.000 Yeah, your brain had no oxygen, so you were slowly shutting down.

01:26:52.000 When they deprive half this country of information, and these people get their news and information from CNN or MSNBC, who have both just espoused so much garbage, we have a situation where I would describe it as the left hemisphere of our American consciousness is deprived of oxygen, unaware that it's, for the past seven or eight years, been manipulated and just deprived of facts, but it's still voting.

01:27:19.000 So how do we vote to correct a problem when we are facing people who don't know they're facing a problem and they're voting?

01:27:27.000 Continually to increase that problem, if you know what I mean.

01:27:30.000 I get it.

01:27:32.000 We do the best we can.

01:27:33.000 You pray for this great country.

01:27:35.000 You keep with a smile on your face like you guys do.

01:27:38.000 You keep giving the facts and the truth.

01:27:40.000 Ramp up the ballot harvesting.

01:27:41.000 And you play under the rules.

01:27:44.000 The rules of the game are such that you play under those rules and you do it the best you can.

01:27:48.000 And you play to win.

01:27:49.000 I have a solution.

01:27:51.000 We could free the software code of large social networks right now, instead of trying to break up the companies, force them, once they get to a certain number of users, we treat it as a commons, and the software code is proliferated.

01:28:00.000 I think that's where, I think Musk is thinking about doing that.

01:28:03.000 I think that's where he may be headed.

01:28:04.000 We could use government force and say, you know, it's like breaking up in a monopoly, but I...

01:28:10.000 I think that would work.

01:28:10.000 And then you federate the networks, and my version of Twitter and your version of Twitter can see each other.

01:28:15.000 But if I want to ban you on my network, I can.

01:28:16.000 I still have my right as a business owner to ban whoever I want.

01:28:20.000 That would require a very large cultural shift, and it's difficult.

01:28:25.000 And I have to run, Mr. Poole.

01:28:26.000 Thank you.

01:28:27.000 Hey, man.

01:28:27.000 Thanks for coming.

01:28:28.000 This was absolutely fantastic.

01:28:29.000 I really do appreciate it.

01:28:30.000 You've got to come to Ohio and see the Georgian chickens at some point. 1.00

01:28:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:34.000 Sounds good, man.

01:28:34.000 Thanks, man.

01:28:37.000 All right.

01:28:38.000 We're gonna have Congresswoman Boebert come in. 1.00

01:28:41.000 We'll do some Super Chats.

01:28:43.000 And, man, this is, despite the fact that the microphones aren't working, I think it's turning out pretty well, huh?

01:28:50.000 Welcome back, Congresswoman.

01:28:52.000 So we have a plethora of Super Chats that I'll try to Get as many as I can.

01:28:58.000 Questions from the audience.

01:28:59.000 And then we have Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna. 0.97

01:29:02.000 Yes, Ana's here.

01:29:03.000 Yes.

01:29:04.000 She's here?

01:29:04.000 Yes, she's here.

01:29:05.000 But we're going to do this for a few minutes and then we'll bring her in. 1.00

01:29:09.000 I want to find some good questions.

01:29:14.000 Let's see.

01:29:16.000 I want to make sure I'm finding some good Super Chat questions that are directed specifically for Congresswoman Boebert.

01:29:21.000 Kevin Brady says, can you ask Lauren if she still supports praying medic, like what she's been doing, but we need a bit of clarity there.

01:29:28.000 I'm not familiar.

01:29:29.000 Praying medic?

01:29:30.000 Yeah, are you familiar with what that is?

01:29:31.000 No.

01:29:31.000 No?

01:29:31.000 Okay, well then.

01:29:32.000 All right then.

01:29:34.000 You know, we probably should do next time is probably we should pull selects in advance.

01:29:38.000 So we can make sure we're getting Joe Biden does.

01:29:41.000 Yeah, just questions in advance.

01:29:42.000 Well, I mean, we have the chats coming in, but it's been an hour and a half.

01:29:45.000 Yeah.

01:29:46.000 So it's like, I'm gonna try and scroll through them and find some good ones for you that there's an oxygen deficiency in the White House.

01:29:56.000 That's what's going on with Joe.

01:29:57.000 No, I know that answer is way too simple.

01:30:03.000 It's cognitive decline, yes.

01:30:05.000 You want me to be honest?

01:30:06.000 I don't know how you guys feel about answering this, but I've seen pictures of his hand which look, they look like he has IV marks, like they've been giving him intravenous solutions or drugs.

01:30:14.000 I have to imagine they do.

01:30:16.000 I also am of the opinion that they give him uppers.

01:30:19.000 I don't know if that's not politically correct for you guys.

01:30:21.000 Well, he was talking pretty fast last night at the State of the Union.

01:30:24.000 I mean, so fast he was stumbling over everything.

01:30:28.000 Couldn't get it together.

01:30:28.000 I mean, I talk fast like that when I have a big hearing because I'm just down to five-hour energy.

01:30:33.000 So, I don't know if they're putting those through his veins or what, but my comms team can have fun with that comment tomorrow.

01:30:40.000 Right on.

01:30:41.000 It's actually quite difficult to go through all the Super Chats in real time to find a good question, I might add.

01:30:45.000 So I'm doing my best.

01:30:47.000 It's mostly people just saying they're big fans, to be completely honest.

01:30:50.000 But let's do this.

01:30:51.000 We have Turtle Drum saying, could you get each guest's thoughts on auditing and or ending the Federal Reserve and also The Ian Carpenter stuff.

01:31:01.000 All right.

01:31:01.000 Well, a couple questions in that regard.

01:31:04.000 The Federal Reserve.

01:31:05.000 I mean, what are your thoughts?

01:31:07.000 I think, you know, Ron Paul wants to end it or at least audit it.

01:31:10.000 Many people have been trying to audit the Federal Reserve.

01:31:12.000 Right.

01:31:12.000 No, we absolutely have to start with an audit and see where that goes.

01:31:16.000 But I mean, nothing that we're doing financially is working right now.

01:31:20.000 I mean, we're running on monopoly money.

01:31:22.000 So, yeah, an audit is a fantastic place to start.

01:31:26.000 And what about abolishing the ATF?

01:31:31.000 Do you see my hat?

01:31:32.000 Do you see this hat here?

01:31:34.000 Yeah, no.

01:31:35.000 So, I mean, the ATF, I think they need to come before Congress and prove why they should be an agency, why the things that they do that maybe matter.

01:31:44.000 Maybe there's something that they do that matters.

01:31:46.000 I haven't found it yet, but maybe that's sent over to the FBI after, you know, we clean them out.

01:31:51.000 But here's the problem with the ATF.

01:31:54.000 They have gone beyond their role of a regulatory agency And now they're making law.

01:32:00.000 They don't make law. 0.58

01:32:01.000 Congress makes law with the pistol braces and everything they're trying to do there to make at least 10 million Americans felons in a very, very short period.

01:32:13.000 Now, the ATF, they were the ones who ran Fast and Furious.

01:32:18.000 They were giving traced firearms to known cartel members.

01:32:24.000 And they lost 1,700 of them.

01:32:27.000 And these were marked firearms.

01:32:30.000 These were tracked firearms.

01:32:32.000 And they lost them.

01:32:33.000 And now they think they're going to go after millions of Americans for a firearm accessory and be successful with that.

01:32:38.000 Now, I think there's going to be a lot of boating accidents in America, if that's actually how this goes down.

01:32:44.000 But I'm hoping that the courts strike this down entirely.

01:32:47.000 But it's an abuse of the separation of powers.

01:32:50.000 Do you know if anyone, any groups have filed lawsuits over the ATF?

01:32:54.000 Well, and then I think it was the Ninth Circuit.

01:32:56.000 There was actually a pretty big win there.

01:32:58.000 But I mean, it's got to go beyond.

01:33:02.000 It has to go beyond that to make sure we can shut this down completely.

01:33:06.000 Congressman Matt Gaetz, he has a bill to abolish the ATF.

01:33:10.000 And, you know, if they can't come before Congress and answer and have and us have oversight over that agency and them answer to why they should exist, then heck yeah, abolish them.

01:33:21.000 I don't believe the ATF has the right to... Well, the executive branch has no legislative authority.

01:33:27.000 No, they don't.

01:33:28.000 They cannot declare this illegal.

01:33:29.000 But they are trying to legislate.

01:33:32.000 They're making law right now, the ATF is.

01:33:35.000 I mean, alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, that should be the name of a convenience store.

01:33:40.000 I love that.

01:33:41.000 It sounds like a good time in my neck of the woods.

01:33:43.000 I heard about the pistol brace rule.

01:33:47.000 When the pistol brace came up in Congress, it was actually in the Judiciary Committee, Representative Cicilline had a big old poster board showing what a pistol brace was, and he was trying to demonstrate that it turns any handgun into a fully automatic.

01:34:04.000 What?

01:34:04.000 No, it doesn't do this.

01:34:06.000 And these are actual lawmakers trying to make laws about them and they're completely ignorant about them.

01:34:12.000 That's what I was talking about, like the hypoxia.

01:34:14.000 Like they're deprived of information but still desperately trying to do something for some reason.

01:34:18.000 It just doesn't work.

01:34:19.000 Right.

01:34:20.000 Yeah, this one really, really pissed me off when I heard this.

01:34:23.000 And a lot of people were pissed off that they just came out and said, we hereby decree something illegal.

01:34:27.000 We all followed the law as it's been described, as it's been for decades.

01:34:32.000 And then abruptly, a federal agency just decided it is a criminal offense now.

01:34:37.000 That is not how laws are supposed to be passed in this country.

01:34:40.000 Absolutely not.

01:34:41.000 And even if a law like that were passed, I mean, I would hope that we would do everything that we could to get it repealed.

01:34:47.000 to get it out of here.

01:34:49.000 Congressman Matt Gaetz just walked in, we're talking about your bill, abolish the ATF.

01:34:54.000 Right on.

01:34:55.000 Let me, here's one, we got this one from Brandy, says, ask Byron and Lauren where they get their jackets.

01:34:59.000 Oh, this one, ooh, I'm gonna sound so squish.

01:35:03.000 Oh, it's not Patagonia, but it is Lululemon.

01:35:07.000 Oh, is that what someone was really interested in?

01:35:09.000 A lot of the Super Chef judges are saying that they're big fans of everybody who's come in.

01:35:13.000 Byron's the man.

01:35:14.000 Jim Jordan's the man.

01:35:14.000 They love the work you do.

01:35:16.000 I brought in all my friends.

01:35:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:19.000 This was cool.

01:35:19.000 Very last minute, your crew reached out and said, why don't you come and do it here so we can get everyone on at the same time?

01:35:24.000 And I was like, that sounds like the craziest thing we'll ever have done.

01:35:26.000 I got a Super Chef for you.

01:35:27.000 I don't know if I got a camera on it.

01:35:29.000 Oh, here we got a different angle.

01:35:30.000 This is great.

01:35:31.000 This is from Bwa Haskell, B.W.

01:35:34.000 Haskell.

01:35:35.000 Amazing show.

01:35:36.000 We need to Timcast IRL with reps from both, in parentheses, all sides of the aisle, and let them have a long, respectful table conversation about the issues.

01:35:43.000 The representatives on tonight displayed great authenticity.

01:35:45.000 Thanks from between LA and San Diego.

01:35:49.000 Thank you, Lauren.

01:35:50.000 Thank you.

01:35:50.000 Cool.

01:35:50.000 That was a good one.

01:35:51.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:35:53.000 I said that I wanted to read it because I think that having cross aisle conversation is the future of politics.

01:35:57.000 No, absolutely.

01:35:58.000 And, you know, that's that's something that Congressman Matt Gaetz is always a big advocate for.

01:36:05.000 I mean, take the speakers debate.

01:36:06.000 I mean, there was dialogue on both sides of the aisle for four days in the House chambers, you know, open debate.

01:36:13.000 And it was amazing engaging with our colleagues.

01:36:16.000 And that's something that I haven't seen in Congress since I've been here until then.

01:36:19.000 We have this real quick.

01:36:21.000 It gave me hope.

01:36:23.000 Those four days was like, it inspired hope in me that I haven't felt in relation to our government in so long.

01:36:28.000 Yeah, we got fundamental changes.

01:36:30.000 It was totally worth the wait.

01:36:31.000 Let me read this one for you.

01:36:33.000 EW says, Lauren, I'm an FFL.

01:36:35.000 And in an audit, I had ATF agents photograph every page of my acquisitions and disbursement logs.

01:36:41.000 We are required to keep of our transfers.

01:36:43.000 This violates regulations.

01:36:44.000 This is enough reason to abolish the ATF.

01:36:47.000 This happens all the time.

01:36:48.000 I'm with you.

01:36:49.000 I'm with you.

01:36:50.000 Bring them in.

01:36:51.000 We're on the oversight committee.

01:36:52.000 Bring them in and make them answer this stuff.

01:36:54.000 And I don't see any reason for ATF.

01:37:00.000 But we do have Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna here and I would love for her to get some face time here on your show. 1.00

01:37:07.000 Absolutely.

01:37:08.000 She's an amazing woman from Florida. 0.81

01:37:10.000 Went down and helped her during her campaign.

01:37:13.000 I wanted fighters here with me in Congress, and we got her here. 1.00

01:37:18.000 You're going to interview her now like Byron did for Jim Jordan?

01:37:20.000 No, no.

01:37:20.000 I was just talking her up some.

01:37:22.000 You know, this is one of my freedom fighters from the Freedom Caucus, and she and I serve on the Natural Resources Committee together and in the Oversight and Accountability Committee.

01:37:30.000 Yeah, I mean, it's an honor and privilege.

01:37:32.000 As you can see, we've been doing a lot of work these last couple days.

01:37:35.000 And today, especially, Lauren nuked the former Twitter executives on, especially the fact that they found out that, obviously, you were being suppressed.

01:37:42.000 It was really interesting to see them kind of squirm.

01:37:44.000 But again, I mean, we know that this has been taking place for a long time, but I think that the media was really gaslighting conservatives.

01:37:49.000 And I think that they were censoring anyone who really went against their groupthink mentality.

01:37:54.000 Yeah, no.

01:37:56.000 So it was so much fun.

01:37:58.000 The information that you brought out right after I spoke was earth shattering.

01:38:02.000 I mean, this was amazing the way you were drilling these Twitter executives.

01:38:07.000 But I had just found out last night from Twitter staff that I was shadow banned.

01:38:12.000 I mean, obviously, we're seeing it.

01:38:13.000 You know, you see your numbers grow.

01:38:15.000 They drop back down.

01:38:16.000 You see the suppression, but there's no real evidence.

01:38:18.000 And we found the date, the time, the tweet, and it was happening.

01:38:22.000 It was real.

01:38:22.000 And it was Mr. Roth that would have had to have reviewed that and approved it.

01:38:27.000 And he said that he didn't know anything about it in committee.

01:38:30.000 I think all of us who have larger accounts or high profile or doing media or whatever don't want to sound paranoid.

01:38:37.000 When it's like, hey, I tweeted something and no one's retweeting it, you don't want to sound cringe.

01:38:43.000 I know that was fire.

01:38:45.000 Where's everybody at?

01:38:46.000 But then you come out and you're like, look, I think I'm being shadowbanned here. 1.00

01:38:50.000 And then people start saying, no, you just suck. 0.99

01:38:53.000 Then it turns out you're actually being shadowbanned. 0.99

01:38:55.000 And you're actually pretty cool.

01:38:56.000 Yeah, but that's what seems to be going on.

01:38:58.000 But here's my frustration, and I want Ana to talk too.

01:39:01.000 I'm going to give her my seat.

01:39:02.000 My frustration was not my account personally.

01:39:05.000 It's the millions of Americans who can't reach out to Elon Musk and his team and say, hey, what actually happened here?

01:39:11.000 Who can't sit in a committee hearing and hold these people accountable?

01:39:16.000 I'm able to do that.

01:39:17.000 That's great.

01:39:17.000 But there's millions of Americans who were completely silenced by the four people that we had in the committee room.

01:39:24.000 And, you know, AOC, she Put her a little tweet that I was there praising God for Elon, and yeah, thank God for Elon Musk.

01:39:30.000 Thank God for him firing those four people and purchasing this crime scene, as Thomas Massey said and Jim Jordan reiterated, so he could expose everything that's been going on.

01:39:41.000 But An, I want to give you the hot seat here, so I'm going to switch with you.

01:39:43.000 All right.

01:39:47.000 Yeah, just to kind of piggyback off of what Lauren was saying, so I actually had to pull up this graphic to make sure that I'm giving you guys correct information, but what we found out is that Twitter, the executives and SISA, which was under DHS, so really it was their cybersecurity infrastructure and security agency, was communicating on a private cloud server to actually have people deplatformed, their postings removed.

01:40:09.000 And the interesting thing was is that when we were in questioning, Eel Roth and then the rest of the executives pretended like they didn't know about it, and we actually had screenshots from the conversations.

01:40:19.000 Mind you, this was done without any oversight at all, so they were operating in darkness.

01:40:23.000 They were basically suppressing this information from the American people.

01:40:26.000 And what this is known as is a joint state actor.

01:40:29.000 Social media companies, to include Twitter, were in this platform.

01:40:33.000 But to be clear, Facebook was also in it, and so what we uncovered was a pretty big deal today.

01:40:38.000 I know that it actually ties into what Laura Loomer has as an actual lawsuit that she's currently pursuing, but this is a pretty big deal and the fact that the government agencies were communicating with Twitter to interfere in free speech is a massive deal, not just for Republicans, but for everyone.

01:40:54.000 What about YouTube?

01:40:55.000 As of right now, I haven't been able to fully see what's on the private server, but we do know for a fact that Facebook, to include anything owned by them, so I assume also Instagram and then also Twitter was in this private cloud server.

01:41:05.000 And mind you, they are working with left-leaning organizations that were also part of the Election Integrity Partnership, and you can actually find this graphic on my at-rep APL Luna website.

01:41:17.000 Do you think they lied today?

01:41:19.000 100%.

01:41:19.000 Yeah, they lied to my face.

01:41:21.000 Wow!

01:41:21.000 They lied to my face.

01:41:22.000 They could not recollect doing any of this, so I refreshed their memory with the graphic.

01:41:26.000 But the point is that if we didn't have that graphic, mind you, the graphic was actually leaked on a Stanford University YouTube video.

01:41:33.000 If we did not find that, we don't know that we would actually have been able to have proven this information, that JIRA existed, and that is a private software that they're communicating on.

01:41:43.000 I think Congressman Matt Gaetz is going to interview you now.

01:41:46.000 What's up?

01:41:48.000 This is the difference between Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz. 0.99

01:41:51.000 For me to get my chance to be on Timcast, I had to drive into the middle of the fucking woods! 0.97

01:41:58.000 And you all come here for the Lauren Boebert experience! 0.97

01:42:03.000 So I get the difference, but I mostly came by because when I had the chance to go out to TimCast land, you said I was your favorite congressman.

01:42:10.000 And I firmly believe that that's because you had not yet met Ana Paulina Luna and so many of my colleagues who were here.

01:42:17.000 But I was just glad to be on because so many people, after you go on TimCast, there's like this whole experience where you get to read the comments and all of the great things people say about Ian.

01:42:29.000 And what I didn't appreciate when I went on your show is how many people who wear their name on their shirt every day watch.

01:42:38.000 And when I went out to events in my district, the law enforcement that provided security said they watched him cast.

01:42:47.000 The teachers in the schools who are out there fighting against the woke culture and the critical race theory say they watch you and they get inspiration.

01:42:56.000 The folks who come out of the kitchen At the restaurants where I ate who were back there watching dishes and slinging hash said, you know, we watched him pool.

01:43:06.000 And when he said that he thought you were a fighter, we knew we could believe it.

01:43:10.000 And it's a it was a very powerful thing.

01:43:13.000 It was it was great to spend time with you out in the wilderness, but quite something to see how the people all over this country who work hard and expect more out of their government really believe in you.

01:43:24.000 And one of the things we're fighting for on this debt limit Work requirements.

01:43:29.000 We gotta have a strategy that unites 222 Republicans.

01:43:33.000 And you know what?

01:43:33.000 There are times that's not the case.

01:43:35.000 There are times when Ana and Lauren and Byron and Jim Jordan and I...

01:43:39.000 have to go out on a limb and engage in fights that nobody else is willing to engage in.

01:43:44.000 But to deal with the fact that our country has maxed out our credit card debt, and we have to reflect on our spending habits as a consequence, means we gotta have people from center-right, from the perspective I represent, get together. 0.99

01:43:59.000 And what we've been working on is to sell people on the idea that if you can go to work, And you choose not to, maybe you shouldn't expect the other people who go to work to pay for all your shit. 0.61

01:44:11.000 You know, your health care, your transportation, your child care, your cell phone bill.

01:44:15.000 And so, I appreciate the forum to be able to do that.

01:44:18.000 And that's the next big fight.

01:44:21.000 Every great general fights the last war.

01:44:25.000 And we gotta fight the next one.

01:44:27.000 And the next one is about how we deal with this country's fiscal crisis.

01:44:31.000 And I think there is no greater cause that can unify us than the idea that You should have to make a contribution.

01:44:41.000 And in states like ours, you know, we're Floridians and we're very proud Floridians.

01:44:46.000 But in Florida, when we tried to seek waivers from the federal government on things like food stamps to do work requirements, the federal government said no over and over again.

01:44:57.000 And if we just unlock the potential for states to be able to pursue these policies, my belief is that under our great federalist system, The idea is that our best will rise to the top and we'll see them replicated and we got to create that space.

01:45:11.000 So that's what we're working on here in this building and good to have you guys here.

01:45:16.000 Yeah, no, to really Matt's credit and then also to with something that happened during the speaker debate is that we actually had gotten a commitment from leadership to ensure that there would be no just blank check spending for the debt ceiling.

01:45:30.000 And I think that's important to note because when you don't have these discussions and you just simply go along to get along, These things won't get accomplished.

01:45:38.000 So I feel like this Congress, granted, I haven't been serving that long, but I do feel like this Congress is a lot different than others because of that.

01:45:44.000 And so it was an accountability mechanism that needed to happen.

01:45:47.000 And you guys will see it.

01:45:48.000 I mean, I can tell you and I support everything that you just did this week regarding Ukraine.

01:45:53.000 Obviously, no more blank checks for Ukraine.

01:45:55.000 And I think that that needs to be a more common sense approach.

01:45:57.000 You know, I hear a lot of people wanting more, but no peace talks.

01:46:00.000 And I think that we can agree that we're not going to give any more money to fund that.

01:46:03.000 It's not a war.

01:46:05.000 And when people speak on behalf of our national defense, we're talking about people like Ana, like her husband Andy, who wore the uniform, who fought for our country, who provided some of the most elite level talent you could ever muster for the sake of a nation.

01:46:20.000 And when we talk about having a rational defense budget, we don't for a moment mean that we ought to surrender the high ground to China or limit the tools that our warfighters need.

01:46:31.000 But maybe All this 100 billion we send to Ukraine ought to get a little more scrutiny than we have offered it.

01:46:38.000 And that's what I think can at times unify the populist right and the populist left.

01:46:44.000 And it's a constant theme on your show.

01:46:46.000 And it's sad to me How rare that occurs because there are things like surveillance policy, foreign policy, that could bring together those elements and they've become so strident in their desire to just wear the blue shirt that they actually don't represent some of the populist views that they once ran on.

01:47:09.000 When you came on last time, you mentioned potentially bringing on members of the squad or to have a conversation.

01:47:14.000 And I'm always down for a conversation in that capacity, but I gotta be honest, I don't find them to be genuine.

01:47:20.000 I find them to be quite disingenuous.

01:47:22.000 Notably, today, I mentioned it several times in the show, AOC's mentioning of the Boston Children's Hospital, libs of TikTok.

01:47:28.000 Just completely untrue.

01:47:30.000 And it seemed like a performance for Twitter more than actually getting to the root of these issues with Twitter.

01:47:39.000 You know, I'm talking about our Twitter followers.

01:47:40.000 Instead of asking calmly and reasonably, hey, let me ask you about these circumstances that we view to be, you know, a problem.

01:47:46.000 There is an account that we believe spread lies.

01:47:48.000 It's bombastic.

01:47:50.000 It's performative.

01:47:51.000 It's outrageous.

01:47:53.000 And I just, I don't trust it.

01:47:56.000 Maybe they used to have more optimism about their cross-sectional appeal.

01:48:02.000 Maybe when people like the Squad, when they got elected, they thought, you know what, we can talk to more folks than just the Democrat primary voters who sent us here.

01:48:12.000 And this town wears you down on that theory.

01:48:15.000 Everything about Washington is to divide and to separate and make you believe that your only path forward is with the people who wear the color of your jersey.

01:48:24.000 And there are times when we don't feel that way.

01:48:27.000 You know, Ana had to win her election to get here, beating the establishment. 1.00

01:48:33.000 The establishment went against her every time.

01:48:34.000 She had to run against a lobbyist her first time.

01:48:37.000 And I'll just tell you this.

01:48:38.000 Pharmaceutical lobbyist.

01:48:38.000 Yes.

01:48:41.000 Probably confirm what I'm about to say, but almost every person in this town lined up against Ana because, oh, she didn't know Washington and she wasn't part of the system in the game. 0.95

01:48:51.000 I wasn't a serious candidate.

01:48:52.000 Right, wasn't a serious candidate.

01:48:54.000 And what I saw was someone who actually, if she got here, was going to be able to fight for her constituents, untethered from those corrupt influences.

01:49:02.000 And while it took her Two elections to get here. 0.99

01:49:06.000 It's all the sweeter, actually, to get someone here who's willing to fight the establishment.

01:49:11.000 And you get that from people like Lauren Boebert, who have to take out an incumbent in a primary. 0.89

01:49:17.000 You get that from people like Ana, who have to take on an establishment lobbyist, literally, to get here.

01:49:23.000 And part of what we fought for in that speaker fight Was the opportunity to bring more folks to Washington of those experiences and to not have such a concentrated influence of the Uniparty through the PACs and the special interests that no matter which political party, Republican or Democrat, wins, it's always their people.

01:49:44.000 Now we're starting to get some our people here and glad you were able to host a number of them tonight.

01:49:48.000 I really want to ask you, Matt, about the Kevin McCarthy stuff.

01:49:53.000 He said something recently—correct me if I'm wrong, because I only saw a bit of the Twitter postings—that the officer who shot Ashley Babbitt was just doing her job.

01:50:01.000 He had said previously insinuations about Donald Trump working for Russia, things like that.

01:50:06.000 You stood up to the establishment, along with many other members of Congress, but you were loud, you were vocal.

01:50:12.000 It's one of the reasons I said you're my favorite member.

01:50:15.000 I just, I like seeing someone go to the machine.

01:50:16.000 Look, I cheered for AOC when she beat Crowley back in 2018 because I want to see people tell the machine enough, you know, knock it off.

01:50:23.000 I'm curious now on your thoughts on Speaker McCarthy.

01:50:26.000 He gets elected.

01:50:27.000 He removes Schiff and Swalwell from the Intelligence Committee, which I agree with.

01:50:33.000 I actually agree with your initial argument on Ilhan Omar that removing her simply because she said things you don't like doesn't seem to make sense.

01:50:39.000 But how did you end up going on?

01:50:41.000 You ended up voting for her removal?

01:50:43.000 Yeah, I did.

01:50:44.000 I didn't feel good about it, to be honest with you.

01:50:47.000 I believe that had Ilhan Omar not voted to remove Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar from their committees, that she would have found a great deal more support.

01:50:59.000 I think that was ultimately the decision maker, not just for me, but probably for a handful of members, that, you know, if you're going to adopt this terrible paradigm and then you're not willing to live by it, that's actually the swamp.

01:51:12.000 That's actually what we see too often here.

01:51:14.000 And that hypocrisy had to be dealt with in some way.

01:51:17.000 But here's what I know.

01:51:19.000 If the normal rhythm of this place is that every time power changes hands, you got to go nuke some of the loud people on the other side who you don't agree with, it will actually be Lauren Boebert and Ana Paulina Luna and Matt Gaetz who will get nuked next.

01:51:35.000 We have to understand that and so I hope this ends it.

01:51:38.000 Ultimately what got me there, McCarthy and Hakeem Jeffries both agreed this has to end and I hope it ends at this standpoint.

01:51:47.000 The Schiff and Swalwell thing is very different because they can be judged based on their acts.

01:51:52.000 They took actions that hurt our country by lying about intelligence.

01:51:57.000 I do not believe that Congresswoman Omar did that.

01:52:00.000 I think she had made comments that upset the various groups of people and that achieved a critical mass at some point.

01:52:08.000 But sometimes we've got to listen to the dissidents, right?

01:52:11.000 Sometimes we have to be thoughtful and introspective and reflective about what people say who don't always align with the traditional dogma of this place.

01:52:20.000 I also, too, though, think that Representative Perry brought a great perspective, which is ultimately why I voted the way that I did, which was, you know, you have to be careful on the speech aspect, right?

01:52:28.000 Because next cycle, if we don't have the gavel, ultimately, they might say that something that we said was offensive and wrong and try to remove us from committees.

01:52:36.000 So to be clear, she's still on committees, but she also did something that is really bad, especially when you're on foreign affairs.

01:52:41.000 And that is that she, all kidding aside, basically had engaged in immigration fraud. 0.96

01:52:47.000 And so I think that when people are being looked at for their committees, what they bring to the table, I think that that's an important note.

01:52:53.000 Yeah, but by what standard?

01:52:57.000 Because there were some news articles, we automatically assume that that's the truth?

01:53:01.000 I mean, there were a lot of news articles about me that were false.

01:53:04.000 Right, and so I have a higher standard for due process than that.

01:53:08.000 We have an ethics committee and we have an ethics rule that says that if you bring discredit on the House by your actions that then you can be expelled from this institution and that we are ultimately the arbiters of our own membership.

01:53:19.000 And so I don't love the fact that we remove somebody without that due process.

01:53:22.000 I do believe that a number of us got Speaker McCarthy to agree that in the future there has to be some ability for people to appeal and And have a potential removal examined more thoroughly.

01:53:36.000 But, you know, there were a lot of Republicans who were waving their pom-poms about that vote.

01:53:41.000 I cast the vote.

01:53:42.000 I do believe on committee membership.

01:53:44.000 The Speaker deserves deference.

01:53:46.000 But if this becomes a situation where we cancel people in the Congress on committees based on their perspective on certain things that don't align with the traditional dogma, then I'm probably the next one on the chopping block.

01:53:58.000 So I got a question for both of you.

01:54:00.000 How would you rate Speaker McCarthy's performance thus far?

01:54:03.000 I would give Speaker McCarthy an A. I would.

01:54:05.000 And he has kept his commitments.

01:54:07.000 He has reaffirmed his commitments.

01:54:09.000 I am eager to get the 14,000 hours of January 6 footage out.

01:54:14.000 And if you had been in some of the depositions I've been in these last few days with FBI officials, getting that information out is critically important.

01:54:21.000 Our weaponization subcommittee has already begun the process of collecting documents and interviewing whistleblowers.

01:54:31.000 I am deeply concerned about the extent to which that undercover federal officers and confidential informants that were working for the federal government could have animated some of the criminal acuity of that day.

01:54:45.000 Also too, for those who are looking and watching this right now, I actually spoke to Speaker McCarthy's office and he said that if you do have a case and that you feel that footage might actually help your case to prove that you are innocent, that they will actually work to get that footage to you.

01:55:00.000 So to contact your member of Congress and then they can work to do that.

01:55:03.000 So I think that for people watching, obviously there are many different circumstances and so people deserve to have the right to defend themselves and they deserve the right to access to that footage and they have that now.

01:55:12.000 Just look at today.

01:55:14.000 Today we passed a Thomas Massey bill that carried with it a Lauren Boebert substantive amendment.

01:55:21.000 This is the type of stuff that you would not have seen in a traditional Congress where the people who have access to the floor and the amendatory process are those who are blessed by the lobbyists.

01:55:31.000 And Speaker McCarthy, to his great credit, was willing to give the power back to the members And a meritocracy develops as a consequence of that, that you don't get when it's just about who writes the checks.

01:55:46.000 So does it feel like, at least for you guys, the people are starting to win back control?

01:55:52.000 Yeah, listen, think about just that question from one of the last questions you asked me when I was on your program.

01:55:57.000 You said, Gates, how worried are you about retribution?

01:56:01.000 Your belief was that the force that we had brought on this place would result in us being punished.

01:56:08.000 And instead, it's our amendments, our bills, our ideas that are driving the discussion.

01:56:13.000 And you know what?

01:56:14.000 We're not going to win them all.

01:56:16.000 We're going to get beat sometimes on the floor on the ideas we present.

01:56:19.000 Like when Marjorie Taylor Greene put an idea up to limit the president's ability to just issue an emergency over everything and everything. 0.86

01:56:26.000 That lost.

01:56:27.000 But we're actually willing to take votes on amendments that lose.

01:56:31.000 And I think that that brings the American people into the discussion in a far more fruitful way.

01:56:37.000 What about what's up with abolishing the IRS?

01:56:40.000 Well, I believe we should have the fair tax.

01:56:42.000 I believe the American people should be able to choose how much taxes they pay based on their consumption.

01:56:47.000 And if you want to go buy a Lamborghini or some crazy expensive skateboard that some dude makes in his garage, then All the better, but then you can pay the taxes on that.

01:56:57.000 And what frustrates us is that oftentimes we're just funding the bureaucracy.

01:57:01.000 It's not even like we're extracting money from the American people to go to their needs.

01:57:05.000 We're extracting it to fund a system that picks winners and losers, and the powerful and the elite and the connected get access to that system.

01:57:15.000 So let's, I'll give you a hypothetical.

01:57:17.000 If we could, probably very difficult to do, but let's say we were able to isolate specifically bloated bureaucracy spending.

01:57:26.000 If we could take all of that money and apply it to healthcare, government spending that money instead on helping people with healthcare, would you be in favor of that?

01:57:35.000 I absolutely would, but let's look at the VA, which is something that Ana and I have talked about at great length, not just in the policy space, but as it literally relates to our families and the people we love.

01:57:48.000 If we abolished the VA and gave every veteran a card that allowed them to get fee for service at any health care provider that they

01:57:58.000 walked into in this country.

01:57:59.000 And if you want to provide health care in this country, you better be willing to provide it to a veteran 1.00

01:58:03.000 for the amount that we would pay for it at that rate.

01:58:06.000 Then you could eliminate the bureaucracy and you could spend all the money

01:58:10.000 that is appropriate to that bureaucracy actually on health care for veterans.

01:58:13.000 Yeah, if that was an option today, I guarantee most vets would go that route.

01:58:17.000 And one of the most frustrating things is that, especially during what happened with COVID because of the bureaucracy, a lot of veterans that did need help, especially that had PTSD that needed to talk to doctors, weren't getting the help that they needed.

01:58:29.000 But if we're going to do universal health care, which is the essence of your question, in exchange for bureaucratic inertia and bureaucratic waste, there's no more fruitful space than the VA, and no more meritorious a space.

01:58:45.000 Yeah, I mean, he nailed it.

01:58:46.000 Again, systems like the VA, mind you, service members do essentially pay into that.

01:58:52.000 And so that's a friendly reminder to people.

01:58:53.000 A lot of people say, well, the military has socialized health care, but we are literally paying back into that system.

01:58:58.000 So for me, from that perspective, I mean, there's so much broken with the VA.

01:59:02.000 President Trump did a lot of good, but there's still so much that needs to be fixed with it.

01:59:05.000 And so I just, anyone that ever advocates for socialized medicine, I'm like, you guys have no idea what you're starting.

01:59:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:11.000 I'm also very glad that this time I get to talk to you, my voice actually works.

01:59:15.000 I was like, thanks for coming.

01:59:18.000 The magic of the last episode was that you couldn't talk and that Ian was giving us brilliant take after brilliant take.

01:59:26.000 Serge even got in the action.

01:59:31.000 What do you guys think about like setting up an application or an app or something where people could allocate a portion of their taxes like a sliding thing where you're like okay first of all it's like a well I'll say tinder like you swipe right if you like this this idea they want to build a fountain on Main Street and then you go into your little thing you can slide I want to put 3% of my discretionary tax money towards the fountain and this and that and then you've got like you have to do 10% minimum for the police 10% for the fire department 30% for black budget military because what the heck you know You get some control over your tax, where you put your taxes, and then maybe the system can sort itself out.

02:00:06.000 Yeah, I think that that would convert our republic to a direct democracy, right?

02:00:14.000 And that's what you're talking about.

02:00:16.000 You're talking about direct democratic inputs to the appropriations process.

02:00:22.000 I don't know.

02:00:24.000 It's crowdsourcing the appropriations process. 0.98

02:00:26.000 Look, we're just trying to crowdsource the appropriations process among the elected representatives, and we about had to burn this place to the fucking ground to do it. 0.98

02:00:34.000 They're calling us extortionists, terrorists, I mean everything in between. 0.98

02:00:40.000 Yeah, but I'd have to think about that.

02:00:42.000 No, so I think we're about to go private here in just a minute.

02:00:43.000 Maybe keep it on the blockchain or something so that it's, we can view it at any time,

02:00:49.000 right?

02:00:50.000 So we can make sure that they're not fixing it on the back end.

02:00:51.000 Have it on like nine different blockchains at once.

02:00:53.000 Yeah, come on in, Lauren. 0.99

02:00:55.000 Lauren's in.

02:00:56.000 No, so I think we're about to go private here in just a minute.

02:00:59.000 So I just want Matt to really give the perspective of Anna as a freshman going into the speaker

02:01:07.000 fight because that is absolutely massive.

02:01:09.000 I mean, she came in like a boss and said, no, I know this place is broken.

02:01:13.000 I ran on Congress being broken, and I'm here to fundamentally change it.

02:01:17.000 So for those of you who are going private, you'll get some exclusives on that.

02:01:21.000 Yeah, this has been awesome.

02:01:22.000 So we're gonna try and get this members-only segment up.

02:01:27.000 We had four microphones planned.

02:01:28.000 Apparently only two of them worked, but I think we made something work, and I'm really excited.

02:01:33.000 This was awesome.

02:01:34.000 You know, a couple days ago, Bovert's team reached out and said, can we do a show here so we can get everybody in?

02:01:39.000 And it was perfect timing with the State of the Union, with the Twitter stuff, so it'd be really awesome.

02:01:44.000 Maybe next time, and there will be a next time, We'll build the system for a mobile setup well in advance, because I think we only have like three days to try and build a whole system to drive in a car and set it up, but I think it'll be even better next time.

02:01:56.000 What we'll do now is we will go to the Members Only segment, so become a member at TimCast.com.

02:02:02.000 Go to TimCast.com, click join us, and in about one hour we're going to have an uncensored Members Only show, and I just want to mention, you know, Matt Gaetz comes in and he's swearing already, so maybe it'll be a bit more exciting than it already was.

02:02:15.000 Very, very fun.

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02:02:26.000 Congresswoman Luna, do you want to shout anything out? 0.86

02:02:28.000 Yeah, Matt Gaetz was one of the only representatives to actually even talk to me during my initial race, and then came down and helped me, and so I actually owe him a lot for being here.

02:02:38.000 So Matt's probably why I dove into the speakers race the way that I did.

02:02:42.000 I trust in Matt.

02:02:44.000 Right on.

02:02:44.000 I don't know if Congresswoman Boebert or Gaetz, do you want to say anything before you wrap up and go to the private segment?

02:02:50.000 Yeah, I'll give a goodbye to those folks.

02:02:53.000 Hey, I'm so grateful for everyone joining today.

02:02:57.000 Welcome to my congressional office.

02:03:00.000 It's in total disarray right now, but my family's been in the background of your shots the whole time.

02:03:06.000 Tim, thanks so much for coming out here.

02:03:07.000 You know, we are doing amazing things up here in our slim majority.

02:03:13.000 We don't have the Senate, we don't have the White House, but we are paving the way for policies that will actually work when we do get these

02:03:20.000 things back and we have that control again.

02:03:23.000 So we can really get America back on track. That's why I'm here. I'm here so my four boys, three of them are running

02:03:28.000 around, they were just wheeling chairs and having races out in the

02:03:31.000 hallway. I'm here so my boys will not live in a socialist nation.

02:03:37.000 And, you know, being a mom of four boys, you know, I'm not raising them to be children.

02:03:41.000 I'm not raising them to be little boys.

02:03:42.000 I'm raising them to be men and that is so dang important right now when liberals are trying to teach them to be women. 0.77

02:03:48.000 So, yeah, there's a lot to fight for in this country but Jesus is Lord and I'm so happy to live in this free country and I do have hope.

02:03:56.000 If I didn't, I would go home Well, thank you so much for allowing us to use your office so we could have so many awesome people come down and talk to not only everybody watching, but that we got the opportunity to talk to all of you as well.

02:04:08.000 So, just one more thing to stress.

02:04:09.000 I see a lot of people are becoming YouTube members, but the members-only show will be at TimCast.com.

02:04:16.000 On the left side, you'll see a Join Us.

02:04:17.000 You click that, you sign up there, and then we're going to upload this.

02:04:20.000 You'll see it on the front page of the website in about one hour.

02:04:23.000 So, I will leave it there.

02:04:24.000 Thank you all so much for hanging out and for supporting us thus far and for being members.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - February 09, 2023

Timcast IRL - LIVE From Congress With Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, & Anna Paulina Luna

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