Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Democrat DOUBLE DOWN Defending VIOLENT Subway Attacker w-Lauren Southern & Jon Du Toit

00:00:00.000 So apparently there's no news at all today because the only thing I'm seeing is like

00:00:25.000 clips from yesterday's show and they're like, Tim pool this, Tim pool that.

00:00:29.000 It's a sly objies.

00:00:30.000 No, I was just saying Seamus and Ian this, and Seamus and Ian that.

00:00:32.000 That's right.

00:00:33.000 They thought we were way cooler on the show.

00:00:35.000 No, Seamus, we... This lamest is what they keep saying.

00:00:39.000 This lamest, that's right.

00:00:40.000 That was a good one, Seamus.

00:00:41.000 Thanks, buddy.

00:00:42.000 So we do have news, though.

00:00:45.000 The big story right now that everyone's talking about this week is the Jordan Neely story.

00:00:49.000 This is the homeless guy who was attacking people.

00:00:51.000 There's new evidence has come out of his past behaviors.

00:00:55.000 And once again, the left is doubling down on the grand jury should indict the man who was defending himself and others from this violent individual.

00:01:06.000 So we'll definitely talk about that.

00:01:07.000 And there was a funnier story that I thought maybe we should lead with.

00:01:10.000 Donald Trump's rape trial deposition has been released and to a certain extent and there's a clip where he roasts the opposition lawyer saying like what he says something like you you wouldn't be good enough for me quite frankly and it's just it's really funny that he's being deposed and he tells the female lawyer that she's not good enough to for him to like want to sleep with i just think that's kind of funny so it's friday we're chilling we're going to talk about what's going on with this uh the politics stuff I think there is going to be some conversation about the whole thing last night, because we've been talking about it all day and basically everybody else is.

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00:02:44.000 Because joining us today to talk about this and so much more is Lauren Southern.

00:02:48.000 Happy to be here.

00:02:49.000 And you just completed a documentary.

00:02:51.000 Yes.

00:02:52.000 For us.

00:02:52.000 Timcast original, Infringed.

00:02:55.000 Great timing with Biden repeatedly tweeting about how we need to ban assault rifles, because we've been going all across the states from Baltimore to Texas to, unfortunately, Berkeley, interviewing people, night crawling and figuring out what's been going on with the gun control stuff here.

00:03:11.000 And it's a pretty epic documentary, an hour and 40 minutes of deep dive and on the ground footage.

00:03:18.000 And John Dutrois.

00:03:19.000 Yes.

00:03:20.000 Thanks for having me.

00:03:20.000 Yeah.

00:03:21.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:03:22.000 Yeah.

00:03:22.000 Well, I'm John Dutrois.

00:03:24.000 I'm a filmmaker and, you know, I make music as well.

00:03:30.000 You know, I'm just, you know, I like doing art and yeah.

00:03:34.000 Right on, and filmmaking.

00:03:35.000 So you guys, Lauren and John, have produced Infringed.

00:03:39.000 We do have another documentary, so in the next two weeks we should have two full-length documentaries come out.

00:03:44.000 The second is by Ben Stewart and Harrison Schultz, and it's about the Federal Reserve and banking.

00:03:48.000 And I just feel like we got really lucky with this, because the gun control thing is happening now.

00:03:54.000 And we talked about doing this, we pitched this like six, seven months ago, And the same thing with the Federal Reserve documentary, and now the banks are all collapsing.

00:04:02.000 So it's just like, wow, we really saw the future here, and having this come out in the next couple weeks will be really great.

00:04:06.000 So that'll be at TimCast.com.

00:04:08.000 We're gonna be putting clips up on YouTube.com slash TimCast, and then the full length for members only on TimCast.com.

00:04:14.000 So there will be powerful select moments from the documentaries released, and then, you know, we're hoping that this can be something sustainable and we can keep making more documentaries, but we're already getting ready for the next set.

00:04:25.000 So thank you guys for hanging out.

00:04:26.000 Smash the like button.

00:04:27.000 We almost got We ALSO got it.

00:04:30.000 We ALMOST got Seamus, but I was like, I don't think I can do tonight's show.

00:04:35.000 Tim wasn't offering enough in the way of whiskey.

00:04:38.000 Seamus has four bottles of booze in front of him.

00:04:40.000 That's true, and I drank all of them.

00:04:42.000 That's why they're empty.

00:04:43.000 It's not like former guests have been thrown back.

00:04:45.000 Tim, I went over there and there were these insanely expensive bottles and Tim said, you just only take the really cheap stuff, Seamus, because, you know, we don't value you here.

00:04:53.000 Seamus tried drinking the cheap stuff, and I was like, Seamus, we got a 25-year scotch ready.

00:04:56.000 What are you doing?

00:04:57.000 That's actually true.

00:04:58.000 I feel bad.

00:04:59.000 I don't want to crack open your 25-year scotch.

00:05:01.000 We were sitting there, and he's like, you know, I don't really want to open the expensive ones, you know what I mean?

00:05:06.000 And I'm like, no.

00:05:08.000 The difference between men and women. 0.95

00:05:10.000 Lauren's like, is it bad if I mix the Diet Coke into the 25 year scotch?

00:05:15.000 And yeah.

00:05:15.000 And I was like, no, I encourage it.

00:05:16.000 I recommend it.

00:05:17.000 Is that what you're doing?

00:05:18.000 That's the plan.

00:05:19.000 After I finish this one.

00:05:20.000 Please don't do that.

00:05:20.000 Please do not.

00:05:22.000 Some traditions have to be protected, my goodness.

00:05:24.000 The whiskey aficionados are watching the show and every time Lauren comes on, they're like, no!

00:05:28.000 Yeah, remember when she had the pappy out of a styrofoam cup?

00:05:30.000 Maybe we put honey in that. 0.99

00:05:31.000 I will blaspheme against the Glenn LeVette.

00:05:34.000 Is that what it's called?

00:05:35.000 Yeah.

00:05:36.000 Levitt.

00:05:36.000 Glenn LeVette.

00:05:37.000 The Glenn LeVette XXV.

00:05:40.000 That's 25 years, guys.

00:05:41.000 Well, anyway, my name is Seamus Coghlan.

00:05:42.000 I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes where we make animated cartoons.

00:05:46.000 I also have a podcast called Shamer.

00:05:49.000 It's on Rumble twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays at 6 p.m.

00:05:53.000 Eastern.

00:05:54.000 Nice branding, man.

00:05:55.000 Thank you!

00:05:55.000 I was just going to say, you can really tell I'm not media trained.

00:05:57.000 It's like, why don't you introduce yourself?

00:05:59.000 I'm like, hi!

00:06:00.000 I'm just a guy.

00:06:03.000 Happy to be here.

00:06:04.000 I'm also just a guy.

00:06:05.000 We got Moon Lord over here.

00:06:06.000 What's happening?

00:06:06.000 I'm leaning into it too.

00:06:07.000 Moon Lord and Moon Lord.

00:06:08.000 We're going to the moon.

00:06:09.000 We're going to build a space elevator on the moon.

00:06:11.000 Michael Lane's already been working on it with Spaceport, so I'm going to be happy to ride that thing.

00:06:15.000 Speaking of riding that thing.

00:06:16.000 You're going to be very disappointed when you realize the moon isn't real.

00:06:18.000 Oh boy.

00:06:19.000 You think the moon's hollow?

00:06:20.000 I've heard it's hollow.

00:06:21.000 No, it's a hollow ground.

00:06:21.000 It's a space station.

00:06:22.000 Haven't you seen that movie Moonfall or whatever it's called?

00:06:25.000 It's a hollow grave.

00:06:26.000 Where the moon is falling to Earth and it turns out the whole moon is a space station that created Earth and ancient aliens, humans actually built it.

00:06:33.000 I think it's the result of a planet colliding with Earth a long time ago and coming out the other end as a ball of magma that just cooled down over time.

00:06:40.000 That's why it's held magnetically just between us and the sun, creating a perfect eclipse.

00:06:44.000 Gravitational, but that is the perfect introduction for Ian, so this is... Gravity's magnetism.

00:06:48.000 Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

00:06:51.000 It's funny when people are like, Tim's show is weird because he has, like, Seamus and Ian on.

00:06:54.000 Yeah!

00:06:55.000 Yeah, Moon Lord and Toon Lord, dude.

00:06:57.000 Also, we got Serge Dupria.

00:06:58.000 Hello, how's it going guys?

00:07:00.000 Excited for the show.

00:07:02.000 He's like the least weird guy I know.

00:07:04.000 Let's jump into this first story.

00:07:06.000 So the big news that's been happening all week that the left seems to be latching onto, and is a really good example of anarcho-tyranny, is this dude Jordan Neely, who died after he was choked and he was subdued and then choked on a train.

00:07:18.000 And we got this new story from the New York Post.

00:07:20.000 911 flooded with calls, including reports of a gun.

00:07:23.000 Well, Jordan Neely was fatally choked on train.

00:07:26.000 They say a total of five emergency calls were made over a four-minute span just before 2.30 p.m.

00:07:30.000 Monday, when now-identified 24-year-old Daniel Penny held Neely in a chokehold on the floor of the northbound F train.

00:07:37.000 The first call came in at 2.26, was reporting a physical fight on the subway, followed by another one minute later, someone reporting on the train threatening riders.

00:07:46.000 So it sounds like this guy, Neely, had already attacked people, then was threatening people, because You can't have one call come in and then a call come in after, right?

00:07:58.000 So people are saying the original story was that Nealey was threatening people and then he got subdued.

00:08:02.000 Sounds like he attacked people, then stopped, went on to threaten people, and then later a third caller said he was armed with a knife or a gun.

00:08:13.000 It was unclear whom the call was referring to though, Neely or Penny, so we don't know for sure, but I really don't think they're talking about the three men who subdued this guy.

00:08:23.000 Now, what's ended up happening is, I think I have a tweet from AOC.

00:08:27.000 She tweets, I have yet to hear a real explanation from any official hesitating to condemn the killing of Jordan Neely about what makes condemning this violence so complicated.

00:08:36.000 It's not complicated, there's nothing... I'll tell you this, AOC, let me make it easy for you.

00:08:40.000 I condemn Jordan Neely's violence.

00:08:43.000 I condemn your soft-on-crime policies that resulted in 25 people last year being shoved in front of trains, with two of them dying.

00:08:51.000 I condemn you and your actions.

00:08:54.000 And I commend the men who tried stopping this violent man.

00:08:59.000 And I am sad that Jordan Neely lost his life.

00:09:02.000 Was that so difficult?

00:09:04.000 I hand it to you, panel.

00:09:06.000 I mean, this is also something we're seeing a lot in my city of Vancouver.

00:09:11.000 First of all, I think public transport is very quickly becoming a human rights violation.

00:09:15.000 We just had an ISIS stabbing where a teenager had his throat slit on the subway, another gentleman killed.

00:09:21.000 A lot of you probably saw the Starbucks stabbing in Vancouver.

00:09:26.000 You didn't see it?

00:09:26.000 It was on footage.

00:09:28.000 Some guy was fatally stabbed in front of his toddler because he asked the guy to stop vaping.

00:09:32.000 And it was actually with a religious knife from a Sikh gentleman, I think, in broad daylight in Vancouver.

00:09:39.000 And it's all of these people.

00:09:40.000 This was like two, three weeks ago.

00:09:42.000 Whoa.

00:09:44.000 It's a whole lot of people with mental health issues that keep being released on the street.

00:09:47.000 40 individuals, this was last year, committed over 3,000 crimes in one year in Vancouver and they can't figure it out.

00:09:53.000 They can't figure out what to do.

00:09:54.000 You give that list of 40 people to a toddler and they can tell you what to do with it.

00:10:00.000 Put them in jail.

00:10:01.000 Put them in jail if they have committed.

00:10:03.000 Oh, I did see this.

00:10:04.000 I did see this story.

00:10:05.000 I did not realize that's what had caused it.

00:10:08.000 Yeah.

00:10:08.000 The video's like, whoa, that guy got stabbed, yo!

00:10:10.000 And he's just watching as the dude bleeds out.

00:10:12.000 Yeah, he asked him to stop vaping.

00:10:13.000 And none of that's ever condemned, right?

00:10:15.000 The fact that we live in a culture that doesn't see this as out of the ordinary but loses its mind when somebody tries to defend themselves is never condemned by any of these political leaders who claim to care so much about human life.

00:10:23.000 No, no, it's because they're evil.

00:10:25.000 Right?

00:10:25.000 So it's like, listen, it's like...

00:10:28.000 I'll use traditional comic book and cartoon lore.

00:10:32.000 The villain is the one, like the Joker, releasing the inmates from prison and then laughing as the inmates terrorize people.

00:10:40.000 And then when the superhero stops the criminals, they go, NO!

00:10:45.000 They get mad that it's happening.

00:10:47.000 That's literally what we're seeing.

00:10:49.000 Ocasio-Cortez is a comic book villain.

00:10:51.000 She is Lex Luthor.

00:10:53.000 She pretends to be of the people.

00:10:54.000 They all celebrate her.

00:10:55.000 That's quite literally what Lex Luthor represented.

00:10:58.000 He was the perfect villain for Superman because he didn't have superpowers.

00:11:00.000 He controlled society through corporations and wealth and means.

00:11:05.000 AOC is certainly not extremely wealthy, but she uses her influence to defend the criminals and condemn the victims. 0.99

00:11:13.000 She lied about January 6th, and she's trying to condemn innocent people now. 1.00

00:11:16.000 Politicians need to be forced to take the subway every day if they have an opinion like that, if they think that he was the victim in this situation.

00:11:23.000 Obviously, I think no one should have been put in this situation.

00:11:25.000 Everyone was the victim of an extremely broken system.

00:11:28.000 Yeah, but in the moment, the man who is threatening people is the perpetrator. 1.00

00:11:34.000 I don't care if you're like, but he's mentally ill. 0.98

00:11:37.000 So what? 0.98

00:11:37.000 Well, you never should have been out there running around on the bus threatening people in the first place. 0.98

00:11:42.000 We need institutions for these people.

00:11:44.000 Exactly.

00:11:45.000 There needs to be institutions for these people.

00:11:46.000 We need to have real, frank conversations about what has to be done about the decline of mental health in the United States that aren't just, let's say, nice platitudes and throw money at a system that isn't going to actually do anything.

00:11:56.000 And especially when you have political leaders like AOC who want for there to be national mass public transit from one side of the nation to the other with these massive railways, and they're not even doing anything to ensure that the mass transit in their own cities are safe for people, or is safe for people.

00:12:13.000 It's like, okay, now you want this to be the only option people have on a national scale?

00:12:17.000 You wanna start to slowly do away with highways and ensure that the only way people can get across the country is by riding these railways?

00:12:23.000 When the railways in your city are EXTREMELY dangerous and you're not doing anything to make them safe?

00:12:28.000 I think one thing that could be done is that we could do some sort of prison reform where we start putting webcams in prisons for inmates that are supervised and allow them to communicate with therapists and family.

00:12:41.000 So we really do turn it into a sort of, I don't know, a place where people can actually become better, as opposed to just retribution and vengeance.

00:12:50.000 We don't want people to suffer in prison, we want them to become better humans.

00:12:54.000 I can take it one step further.

00:12:55.000 I realized this the other day.

00:12:57.000 Very, very simple solution.

00:12:59.000 If you break the law, we forcefully give you the Neuralink implant and then plug you in and delete from your brain criminality.

00:13:08.000 Dude, no joke.

00:13:09.000 That is something that could happen.

00:13:12.000 Sounds like a clockwork orange.

00:13:13.000 Yeah, they were talking about neural net, I think early on when they were talking about, Elon was talking about neural net, that you could dampen emotional receptors with it, I think.

00:13:22.000 I think that they were actually talking about that, the scientist working on it.

00:13:25.000 We just put like the neural link thing on them, and then if they ever are about to commit a crime, it just slows down their motor functions until they stop.

00:13:32.000 And then the opportunity stops, and then they can only resume if they, in their mind, But then the thing is, so you'll have some dude who wants to go out and commit crimes and he'll start to slow down and people go, well help that man!

00:13:43.000 There's something wrong!

00:13:44.000 And he'll go try to comfort him and then he'll reach in and take their wallet.

00:13:47.000 Simple thing is, the device will start going, this man is experiencing criminal desires!

00:13:53.000 This man is experiencing criminal desires!

00:13:55.000 And that's like, steer clear!

00:13:56.000 Stay away! 1.00

00:13:58.000 It just broadcasts your thoughts really loudly all the time.

00:14:01.000 Everyone just has their- that's so horrible.

00:14:03.000 Everyone just has their thoughts shouted from a speaker at all times.

00:14:07.000 You know what's wild to me?

00:14:08.000 It's like when you're younger and you look at criminality, you think it's like a super big deal.

00:14:12.000 Like, oh my gosh, your life is going to be over if you commit a crime.

00:14:15.000 Like, this is insane.

00:14:16.000 And then you get older.

00:14:17.000 And I, I was, um, I was actually assaulted in a grocery store a few years ago. 0.94

00:14:22.000 Some guy grabbed my butt, but he grabbed the wrong butt, I'll tell you right now, because I sent him straight to jail. 0.97

00:14:26.000 Wow. 0.98

00:14:28.000 But it turns out he was on bail, like, that week.

00:14:31.000 He had just gotten out of jail for serial assault, had grabbed four other women in the shops that morning.

00:14:37.000 None of them wanted to come to court, but I was willing to.

00:14:39.000 I was like, yeah, I'll put forward a statement and take the CCTV footage and everything.

00:14:43.000 But it's like wild to me that he knows Mere days after getting out of jail, on bail, he's like, let's go get back on the streets grabbing ladies!

00:14:54.000 And he knows the system.

00:14:55.000 And especially because, look, this is another thing that often goes unacknowledged, but sex criminals have one of the highest rates of recidivism, if not the highest rate.

00:15:04.000 So you can't just let them out on bail.

00:15:06.000 Yeah, we gotta put the Neuralink thing in them.

00:15:07.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:15:09.000 How did you get that guy put away?

00:15:10.000 What was your process?

00:15:11.000 No, I just, I called the police after and I was like, hey, this happened.

00:15:14.000 Oh, and here's another thing.

00:15:15.000 Like a bunch of people watched it happen and they all just kind of froze.

00:15:18.000 Everyone freezes when there's something like criminal that happens.

00:15:21.000 It's like in that Starbucks video.

00:15:22.000 In Canada maybe.

00:15:24.000 It's almost like so cold.

00:15:24.000 The guy in the background just sitting there drinking his coffee.

00:15:27.000 Or the guy on the phone being like, yo, he got stabbed.

00:15:30.000 Wow.

00:15:30.000 And I don't blame them because people are- Dude, there was this one where the guy, did you see the one where the guy got shot on camera?

00:15:38.000 Don't you guys remember the Simpsons when Mr. Burns got shot by Maggie?

00:15:42.000 He explains that like after he got shot he found only lollygaggers and it's like Jimbo going like whoa just like pointing at him as he's like dying That's right.

00:15:52.000 Simpsons predicted all this.

00:15:54.000 I don't want a society where people just stand by and watch people get violently assaulted.

00:15:58.000 We'd like to create a system where people are afraid to intercede because they might become arrested for hurting some criminal.

00:16:05.000 This is what I was thinking.

00:16:06.000 First of all, there were a lot of women there, so they don't want to go up against a man unless they have guns, and no one has guns outside of America. 1.00

00:16:15.000 And then there's also the fact that, yeah, if you're a man and you actually win that fight and you do the heroic thing you're taught to do as a child, you save the woman in distress, whatever, goodbye life.

00:16:27.000 Like this dude.

00:16:27.000 They won't be as kind to you, right?

00:16:29.000 They're not going to let you out of prison.

00:16:30.000 They're going to throw the book at you.

00:16:32.000 So, and even if you didn't actually do anything, that rises to the level of a crime.

00:16:36.000 So here's a great story that many people in the audience may unfortunately not have heard of.

00:16:41.000 Mark Hauk, over a year ago, was protesting outside of an abortion clinic.

00:16:45.000 And he was just there praying with his son.

00:16:47.000 And every time he went there and prayed, there was an older man who would shout obscenities and disgusting things at his son.

00:16:52.000 And so finally, one day, this old man comes over to him and starts approaching his son To assault him, and Mark Hauk pushes the old man away.

00:17:00.000 The Soros-funded prosecutor in that area said, there's nothing to charge this man with.

00:17:06.000 There's literally nothing to charge this man with, there's no case here.

00:17:09.000 But a year later, the FBI and DOJ, the DOJ decides to charge him, the FBI raids his house, and they try to get him convicted with a penalty that would result in him going to prison for 11 years.

00:17:23.000 For pushing a guy?

00:17:24.000 For pushing a guy.

00:17:25.000 Yeah, they were saying it was a violation of the FACE Act.

00:17:27.000 And again, the Soros-funded prosecutor in his area a year earlier said there was no case, there was nothing to follow, but because he has the wrong political values, because he was protesting abortion, we should lock him up and throw away the key.

00:17:39.000 We have mercy for people who are violent criminals and let them back out onto the street to harm everybody else.

00:17:44.000 We got this story from ABC7.

00:17:46.000 Grand jury could get subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely case next week.

00:17:50.000 So they're actually, a law enforcement source from the investigation tells ABC News the probe into the subway chokehold death is continuing.

00:17:57.000 The case is likely to go to a grand jury next week.

00:18:00.000 I will say this too, I believe the man's name is Daniel Penny.

00:18:04.000 You are going to go to prison for a very, very long time.

00:18:06.000 I don't know.

00:18:07.000 I defend eyewitnesses, man.

00:18:08.000 There are a lot of eyewitnesses.

00:18:10.000 I don't think that matters.

00:18:11.000 That's all that matters.

00:18:12.000 The entire conversation that we've been having is that Kyle Rittenhouse, for instance, would be in prison for the rest of his life if it was true that the people he shot in self-defense were black.

00:18:26.000 What we're likely going to see, like with the Ahmaud Arbery case, This man, I think his name is Daniel Penny, is likely going

00:18:33.000 to be politically convicted.

00:18:35.000 That's it.

00:18:36.000 I mean, you've got AOC calling for him to be, she's calling him a murderer.

00:18:40.000 She's not even saying it's reckless homicide or negligence.

00:18:43.000 She's saying outright murder.

00:18:44.000 That's for a jury to decide.

00:18:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:47.000 But you've got someone with 13 million followers inciting violence.

00:18:52.000 This is what she's doing, AOC.

00:18:53.000 I mean, she's inciting violence in New York City by calling this guy a murderer and obfuscating the facts. 0.90

00:19:00.000 She wants people in New York. 0.99

00:19:01.000 She is like the Joker. 0.75

00:19:03.000 She is, she is, well, more like Lex Luthor, I guess.

00:19:05.000 Lex Luthor became president.

00:19:07.000 That's right, he did.

00:19:08.000 Here's an interesting thing we discovered, actually, while filming Infringed, is a lot of people, especially on the progressive side of things, will look at these lower-level crimes, like the mental illness assaults on the subway.

00:19:18.000 They'll be like, oh, it was just like a small thing, this and that.

00:19:20.000 Or in Baltimore, when we were filming, oh, they have possession of an illegal weapon.

00:19:25.000 Well, they didn't kill anyone, they didn't rob anything, so we're just not gonna... the progressive DAs would just be like, whatever, we're not even gonna Deal with these cases.

00:19:33.000 They're like misdemeanors.

00:19:35.000 But what occurs is when they don't deal with those lower-level cases, they almost always end up becoming more high-level criminals.

00:19:43.000 It leads to murder.

00:19:44.000 It leads to, you know, horrible assaults, horrible robberies, violence, because you have to deal with it.

00:19:50.000 If people start to like test the water a bit, oh, I can get away with that.

00:19:53.000 Test the water a bit more.

00:19:54.000 You can't have people getting away with these low-level misdemeanors constantly.

00:19:58.000 You can't have things like illegal weapons carrying in Baltimore be just like, Not addressed whatsoever!

00:20:04.000 Well, this is why Giuliani's broken window policing was effective.

00:20:09.000 You have to stop the smaller crimes.

00:20:12.000 Because it's not only the case, as you acknowledge, that people who commit these lower-level crimes are in some sense testing the water and seeing what they can get away with even just subconsciously, but it's also the case that if you know people are getting the book thrown at them for misdemeanors, you're going to think twice about a felony.

00:20:26.000 You're going to think twice about committing a felony.

00:20:29.000 For sure.

00:20:29.000 I have mixed feelings about just going hard at people for Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr.

00:20:45.000 Should legalize?

00:20:47.000 Yeah, I think it's wasting time, it's wasting money, there's so much real crime going on in this country that could be using up the courts.

00:20:56.000 But real quick, what we're seeing is that they're legalizing drug use, they're legalizing the right to set up homeless camps in public spaces, and then they're criminalizing self-defense.

00:21:07.000 That's the problem!

00:21:08.000 So it's the inversion.

00:21:11.000 When it comes to a federal war on drugs, I oppose it.

00:21:13.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with a particular state saying we want to ban this drug or that drug.

00:21:17.000 However, I don't think it's wise as a nation to have this bizarre two-faced halfway point where we say this drug is illegal or X, Y, and Z is illegal, but it's not that serious a crime.

00:21:30.000 You're not really going to get into that much trouble.

00:21:32.000 If something is a crime, it should really be a crime.

00:21:34.000 And that does mean we need to think twice about what laws we have, what we're willing to ban or make illegal.

00:21:39.000 But once something's not legal, you really should get in serious trouble for breaking the law.

00:21:43.000 I agree with that.

00:21:44.000 It makes a mockery of the judicial system, or the entire legal system, if you can't enforce or don't enforce a law in the book.

00:21:50.000 So like, schedule one marijuana, schedule one narcotic in the United States federally.

00:21:55.000 But it's like, no, we're not going to pursue it.

00:21:57.000 They won't pursue it if it's legal in the state.

00:21:59.000 Let me show you this from Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:22:01.000 In 2015, Jordan Neely kidnapped a 7-year-old girl.

00:22:05.000 In 2019, he punched a 64-year-old man in the face.

00:22:07.000 In 2021, he slugged a 67-year-old woman in the face as she exited the subway, breaking her nose and fracturing her orbital bone.

00:22:14.000 He was arrested 44 times but never faced real justice for terrorizing New Yorkers.

00:22:19.000 The MNDA shares responsibility for his death for creating an anti-law enforcement culture.

00:22:24.000 You read that kidnapped a seven-year-old kid thing, and I'm just like, no.

00:22:28.000 I'm sorry.

00:22:28.000 I'm trying really hard.

00:22:30.000 He moonwalked, though.

00:22:31.000 I'm gonna have to look into the details of that, because that makes me mad as hell.

00:22:35.000 And I can't play this video.

00:22:38.000 Is this the one of him pushing a woman?

00:22:40.000 No, this is a video of him screaming homophobic slurs at Joey Boots in New York.

00:22:45.000 Oh, well, that's the real problem.

00:22:46.000 Forget about the kidnapping.

00:22:47.000 Now, I will say this.

00:22:50.000 This is a video from DC Drainer where he says it's a video of Jordan Neely going viral showing him violently assaulting a man using homophobic slurs, the f-word.

00:22:59.000 I've not confirmed this so I don't know that it's true, but it does look like it's him.

00:23:03.000 Like in the video, there's a video of a guy, looks just like Neely, he's doing Michael Jackson stuff, it looks like all the other videos.

00:23:08.000 So I believe it's probably correct that it is him, but I want to make sure I have that caveat because You know, take it with a grain of salt.

00:23:12.000 The age of deep fakes is now.

00:23:13.000 But this is Joey Boots.

00:23:15.000 And I know Joey Boots, and there's never a reason to have gone up, you know, rest in peace, Joey.

00:23:20.000 There was never a reason to scream at him and threaten him, because this is not what Joey did.

00:23:24.000 Joey had a video of, like, walking up to Tucker Carlson.

00:23:26.000 He's filming.

00:23:26.000 He walks around New York filming.

00:23:27.000 Oh yeah, I remember that video.

00:23:28.000 And Tucker's like, I'm fishing!

00:23:30.000 And he's like, oh, cool.

00:23:31.000 And he's like, Tucker Carlson, fishing in New York, and Tucker's just like, yeah.

00:23:34.000 And that's it.

00:23:35.000 Joey would do these videos, and he would go up to news cameras and say, bababooey bababooey.

00:23:39.000 So, when you see a video of this Neely guy, he was a violent, angry dude.

00:23:43.000 He was mean, he attacked people, he kidnapped people.

00:23:47.000 How is it that this, the villain, the perpetrator, is what AOC and the left defend?

00:23:52.000 You know how, because this is the behavior that they deem acceptable.

00:23:55.000 What?

00:23:56.000 This is the behavior they deem acceptable.

00:23:57.000 What, like, mentally ill assault?

00:24:00.000 So, if a person behaves violently in an insane way, in a reckless way, or just in a flat-out immoral way, their entire philosophy and the entire philosophy of the left is the only reason that person behaved that way is because of certain systemic structures that push them in that direction.

00:24:15.000 And so, they're not the criminal, you are, for not supporting left-wing policy.

00:24:21.000 Now that I understand, because that is an argument I've seen being made by people in that camp, if that's what's happening, is that society failed this guy.

00:24:30.000 Flat out, he should have been either put in an institution of some sort or put in jail after his 44th crime, after maybe it's stealing the seven-year-old.

00:24:38.000 It seemed like he wanted to go back to jail, right?

00:24:41.000 You know, he probably wants to get fed three times a day, and if you're in jail, that's what you get, right?

00:24:47.000 So, because I saw something that, I saw a tweet, you know, I don't know who said it, but, you know, he was saying something like, you know, I'll go back to jail or I want to go back to jail.

00:24:56.000 And it's like, well, if there was an asylum for somebody like this, you know, he'd be taken care of, he'd be off the streets.

00:25:02.000 Meanwhile, he's homeless, he's probably hungry.

00:25:05.000 You'd probably save money, too, in police resources constantly dealing with these issues, like sending them to an asylum. 0.99

00:25:12.000 Vancouver, this is exactly why we got the problems there.

00:25:14.000 I think it was Riverside, there was a massive mental asylum, and they basically let everyone loose, shut it down.

00:25:19.000 I know during the Reagan era, a ton of mental asylums were shut down as well.

00:25:23.000 And it's just like, boom, on the streets.

00:25:25.000 You think the resources that were going into those asylums aren't going into police investigations solving these issues now?

00:25:31.000 Yeah.

00:25:32.000 No.

00:25:33.000 Oh, sorry, no.

00:25:34.000 Well, no, and this is something I touched on on the show yesterday that happened during the Reagan era.

00:25:34.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:25:38.000 This was also a product of the Foucaultian deinstitutionalization movement, this idea on the left that mental illness is for the most part a social construct and we need to be more understanding.

00:25:47.000 And it's true that in many mental health facilities people were mistreated and there was a serious conversation that needed to be had there.

00:25:52.000 However, in the 1950s there were 500,000 people committed to mental institutions across the U.S.

00:25:57.000 and then by the mid-80s that falls to 100,000.

00:25:59.000 Is that after Reagan let people out or before?

00:26:02.000 I think I'm not sure at which point the vast majority of the decrease in those numbers occurred, but I do know that between the 1950s and the 1980s, you just have a massive, I would say, decrease in the number of people in mental health facilities across the country.

00:26:18.000 And part of that is a result of the reclassification of what it requires to get somebody committed.

00:26:22.000 So it used to be you have to be proven to be unable to take care of yourself, and then they changed that standard to you have to have been proven to be a threat to yourself or others.

00:26:33.000 Now, often when someone proves that they're a threat to themselves or others, it's too late.

00:26:37.000 Someone's already been hurt.

00:26:38.000 So I don't know if the standard should be they can't take care of themselves as it used to be, but I think the standard we have now clearly isn't working.

00:26:45.000 Yeah, there's so many Reagan facts I learned while doing the Infringe stuff. 0.80

00:26:49.000 He like right when he got an offer. Is that true?

00:26:51.000 The same thing in California, I think as well. He signed a bill. I think the Lantris-Peterson-Short Act or something.

00:26:55.000 Yeah, that's 1967 that he did that.

00:26:57.000 Yeah.

00:26:58.000 Did you know, this is sort of a random interesting fact, there's so many Reagan facts I learned while doing the Infringe

00:27:04.000 stuff.

00:27:04.000 He was one of the first people to pass one of the mass gun control bill acts.

00:27:08.000 As governor in California.

00:27:09.000 Yeah, Reagan was not, was certainly far from perfect.

00:27:12.000 Like, everyone praises him because of the way he stood up to communism, and I think that that was great.

00:27:15.000 I think that was great.

00:27:16.000 I will not take that from him.

00:27:17.000 However, he was certainly not the best president America's had.

00:27:19.000 He had a lot of great one-liners, though.

00:27:21.000 I think that's true.

00:27:22.000 He did!

00:27:22.000 That's his legacy.

00:27:23.000 Boomers loved him.

00:27:24.000 He, like, doubled the amount of federal employees, though, while standing against communism.

00:27:29.000 Look it up, look it up.

00:27:31.000 He was one of the biggest government presidents in history.

00:27:33.000 Well, can I ask you, I would imagine most of that was an increase in military positions?

00:27:38.000 No, it wasn't military.

00:27:39.000 No, it was like pencil pushers, paper pushers, whatever.

00:27:42.000 There's a lot of those in the military, though.

00:27:43.000 I've heard that he really didn't like George Bush Senior.

00:27:46.000 Does that need a corkscrew?

00:27:47.000 Yeah, I was going to ask if you could open this because I'm running out of alcohol.

00:27:50.000 Tim, don't open it for her.

00:27:52.000 She's going to put Diet Coke in it. 0.97

00:27:52.000 Well, I saw that she opened it, but then she didn't do anything. 0.97

00:27:54.000 She's going to put Diet Coke in it. 0.97

00:27:55.000 It's a 25-year-old scotch.

00:27:57.000 Because people like you who don't know what they're doing are going to ruin it, and so they intentionally design it.

00:28:01.000 really slow process from here.

00:28:03.000 All right.

00:28:04.000 The cork broke in case you're listening.

00:28:06.000 Like such an expensive booze and it just breaks when I twist it slightly.

00:28:10.000 Because people like you who don't know what they're doing are going to ruin it

00:28:13.000 and so they intentionally design it.

00:28:14.000 It's like childproofing but for people who put Diet Coke in their alcohol.

00:28:19.000 Now, what Regan...

00:28:22.000 Good old Ronald.

00:28:23.000 I heard that Regan hated George Bush, maybe not hated, but really didn't like George Bush Sr.

00:28:26.000 Really?

00:28:27.000 At all.

00:28:27.000 I think they ran against each other if I'm... Oh, in the primaries, probably, right?

00:28:31.000 I guess that would make sense.

00:28:32.000 And then, like, what, the Deep State went to him and was like, you're gonna have him as your... The assassination attempt, and then after that... He made him his VP?

00:28:38.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's true, but I've heard that story as well.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, so this Reagan guy, I mean, was he one of those guys who's like going in with all the righteousness, and then as soon as he gets in there, like, here's your talking, here's your playbook, by the way, and he's like, uh, I don't think so, then bang bang, and then he's like, okay, I'll play ball?

00:28:52.000 Well, this is what's crazy, is even when he wasn't, because, you know, I was getting in a debate with my dad about this, love you dad, and we were talking about Reagan and gun control, and he's like, oh, you know, he was more Democrat early on, he probably changed his mind, and I'm like, yeah, you know, he did a lot of good things in government, but actually, even when he was out of office, he wrote into wrote to lawmakers supporting the assault weapons ban that Biden passed saying, I support this, put this through.

00:29:16.000 And that was after, yeah, 94.

00:29:18.000 That was after he was out of office.

00:29:19.000 And this is what we have to remember.

00:29:21.000 Firstly, Reagan said something, it's quite a famous quote, and this is something that many people who are considered centrists or, you know, 2010 era liberals say today.

00:29:31.000 What Reagan said was, I am considered conservative just for holding to the liberal principles that I had 20 years ago.

00:29:38.000 Something along those lines.

00:29:40.000 Reagan was not the far-right conservative that the left made him out to be.

00:29:44.000 It was awful.

00:29:45.000 We should understand that.

00:29:46.000 Gun control, no-fault divorce. 0.52

00:29:47.000 Well, because look at it.

00:29:48.000 I mean, everyone thinks Reagan was this far-right conservative president.

00:29:52.000 Okay, well, they call Tim Pool far-right today.

00:29:54.000 So, of course, in the 80s when they were calling Reagan far-right, that didn't mean anything then either.

00:29:59.000 Wow.

00:30:00.000 I want to jump to the story.

00:30:02.000 I do feel kind of bad because we're talking about communism and stuff, but this is important breaking news.

00:30:06.000 Check this out.

00:30:07.000 Vice Media nears deal for $400 million sale out of bankruptcy, Fortress Investment and Soros Fund Management.

00:30:18.000 Come on! 0.61

00:30:19.000 Here's the funniest thing about this, right?

00:30:22.000 The deal gives them an evaluation around $400 million, a major drop from $5.7 billion.

00:30:28.000 Here's the other thing, though.

00:30:29.000 The evaluation includes the existing debt that it has.

00:30:33.000 How much?

00:30:34.000 The debt, I believe, there was a $250 million debt financing round a few years ago, and then a $30 million.

00:30:39.000 I'm not exactly sure how they're doing it.

00:30:42.000 The $250 million in debt was from Soros.

00:30:45.000 I think that was Soros Fund Management as well.

00:30:48.000 So it may be that Soros is actually just buying the company for, what would that give them, $120 million?

00:30:53.000 No, no, no, $220 million.

00:30:54.000 From a company that was once worth $5.7 billion.

00:30:56.000 $220 million from a company that was once once worth five point seven billion so of the four hundred million

00:31:02.000 They're paying out 220 of it was debt. So Soros already has 250 million in debt with vice

00:31:08.000 So if the deal is for $400 million, which includes the debt, I could be wrong about this.

00:31:12.000 Maybe people in the chat could clarify, someone who knows how the economics works of it.

00:31:16.000 But it sounds like Soros already holds a portion of that $400 million.

00:31:20.000 Unless the deal is to buy out the rest of it, but then he holds the debt.

00:31:23.000 So I think this multi-billion dollar company is being washed out for a couple hundred million.

00:31:29.000 The whole clickbait apparatus is dying.

00:31:32.000 People are sick of it.

00:31:33.000 BuzzFeed's gone and it's only being upheld by political actors like this.

00:31:37.000 But Vice wasn't that in the beginning.

00:31:39.000 Vice got big because they were like, we're going to go down and we're going to hunt down scopolamine in Colombia.

00:31:46.000 We're going to find the magic shaman who's going to do crazy like ayahuasca.

00:31:50.000 And then it turned into, for 10 reasons, Spongebob's homophobic.

00:31:54.000 Do you know how it changed exactly?

00:31:56.000 Was there a linchpin that switched or was it just a slow burn?

00:31:59.000 Tim left.

00:32:02.000 I was there when they were doing the base... So actually, Vice News started because of me, and that is the words of Shane Smith.

00:32:09.000 He said it at the Knight Foundation Awards.

00:32:11.000 They were doing on-the-ground reporting, but it was not... There was no news division.

00:32:16.000 They were doing these, like, adventure-style documentary shows where it's about the regular guy going to Afghanistan and telling a story.

00:32:22.000 And then I was like, I want to do real news reporting.

00:32:25.000 What changed, simply, is...

00:32:28.000 From my perspective, I agree with this take, but this came from a friend of mine who is a high-level employee.

00:32:34.000 They got accused of sexual harassment and assault.

00:32:41.000 And to get out of it, the investors were like, become a feminist company. 1.00

00:32:45.000 That way you can get past the negative press.

00:32:48.000 The concern was, we're not going to go down and see our hundreds of millions of dollars in investment lost.

00:32:53.000 So just come out, start doing feminist stuff, and you'll be safe from these attacks. 1.00

00:32:57.000 And they went, you got it.

00:32:59.000 Talk about a fall from grace.

00:33:00.000 If they went the route I explained in my vision, they would be worth still billions of dollars.

00:33:06.000 I told them to go the route that we are going here.

00:33:09.000 Yeah, maybe they would be worth like 900 million or 1.3 billion, like a quarter of what they ended up at what they were at one point, but they'd still be around.

00:33:18.000 I don't believe any of what you guys are saying.

00:33:20.000 You think I'm a liar?

00:33:21.000 I think both of you.

00:33:22.000 I think what happened was Tim told them, Tim saw what the future was and he said, you know what you guys should do?

00:33:28.000 You should pander to feminists and the left. 1.00

00:33:32.000 The young people love it.

00:33:33.000 You're going to get a lot of viewership.

00:33:35.000 It's what the mainstream media is doing.

00:33:37.000 Let's imitate the big guys because you wanted to leave and start your own thing.

00:33:41.000 And then you did.

00:33:42.000 I went and worked for Disney!

00:33:43.000 And after you neutered them, you wanted a little more experience before you got out, you know, and did your own thing.

00:33:48.000 And the same thing happened?

00:33:50.000 The same thing happened with Fusion and it was hilarious.

00:33:53.000 When I went to Fusion, which is ABC News Univision, they said we want to be nice Vice. 0.60

00:33:58.000 We want to be young and edgy, but we don't want to do the weird stuff where they like crap in jugs and like throw it in the air or something like that.

00:34:03.000 Because Vice did like weird stuff like that. 0.60

00:34:05.000 And then I was like, cool.

00:34:06.000 And they said, we want to do a show that's very much travel adventure, meeting like drug dealers in Venezuela and covering those stories.

00:34:13.000 And I'm like, perfect.

00:34:14.000 Let's make it happen.

00:34:15.000 And then eight months later, they brought in a new editor-in-chief who changed his Twitter banner to down with whiteness.

00:34:21.000 And then I was like, oh boy.

00:34:22.000 And then I was just like, here's my plan for this November.

00:34:25.000 I'm gonna go to Fukushima on the anniversary and see where they're at with the redevelopment of the region.

00:34:33.000 And then they were like, okay, that's cool, I guess.

00:34:35.000 It gets half a million views over the weekend.

00:34:37.000 And then they're like, but we're still really interested in talking about trans kids, which gets like a thousand views.

00:34:42.000 They were obsessed with chasing this stuff.

00:34:44.000 Sure enough, a couple of years later, they lay off everybody and they washed billions down the toilet.

00:34:49.000 Did Shane leave the company at some point?

00:34:51.000 No, he's still there.

00:34:52.000 So he's getting this paid up.

00:34:53.000 He's not the CEO anymore, and they're saying they're gonna find a role for him.

00:34:56.000 But, like, this guy's just not worth anything anymore.

00:34:59.000 I mean, look, don't get me wrong, the dude's probably worth, you know, I don't know what this puts him at, maybe... Shane Smith?

00:35:05.000 Yeah, that'll put him at maybe 80 million, which is like, like, come on, it's not nothing.

00:35:08.000 He's a rich guy.

00:35:09.000 But to have been a billionaire, like their media reporting, you're worth 2 billion or whatever, and now it's just like, you know... 1.00

00:35:15.000 I don't think they're complete idiots for marketing to the woke crowd. 0.99

00:35:19.000 Like, I do think there is a large... I'm not on some copium where I think the majority of the population are conservatives. 1.00

00:35:24.000 I'm from Canada, so I'm like, okay, there are actually a lot of woke people out there, but it's just very hard to sell wokeness through a corporation.

00:35:34.000 Through these, like... They can see the... Even the very silly kind of brainwashed people, they're like, okay, This is clickbait.

00:35:43.000 This is a corporation that makes millions of dollars telling me about how we need to support trans impoverished individuals doing ketamine. 0.99

00:35:51.000 They can see the absurdity itself.

00:35:52.000 I don't know.

00:35:55.000 There is a craving in general for more genuine, I think that's why live streaming has become a bigger thing in general, even the left-wing live streamers on Twitch and stuff.

00:36:05.000 People are just getting real tired of the highly curated actual Full-on propaganda.

00:36:13.000 It's just like, the internet is just full-on MKUltra.

00:36:16.000 Corporations are not people.

00:36:17.000 And when they say stuff like, Disney says that something.

00:36:20.000 No, Disney isn't a thing that can speak.

00:36:22.000 Disney's just a facade, a piece of paper that you tear away to see who was it that said that.

00:36:27.000 Yeah, like, if you want to make the argument that corporations are people, then I'd love to see some of these corporations go to prison.

00:36:33.000 So when like a big pharmaceutical company, for instance, is accused of fraud, we don't simply go pass a fine.

00:36:41.000 We say, we are going to incarcerate your corporation for five years, meaning it cannot operate.

00:36:47.000 Everybody who works there, you no longer work there, come back in five years and let's see where you're at.

00:36:51.000 And they go, but we couldn't do that, it would be bad for the economy.

00:36:54.000 Well, tell that to the guy who went to prison for five years.

00:36:56.000 What's he supposed to do when he gets out?

00:36:58.000 Sorry, I don't play that.

00:36:59.000 If you got a corporation and there are people breaking the law within it, and it's widespread, and the whole company does it, shut it down.

00:37:06.000 Or even like 30%?

00:37:07.000 I'm in favor of the death penalty in that case, too.

00:37:09.000 Oh, like the execution of the corporation itself?

00:37:10.000 Death penalty for the company?

00:37:11.000 Erasure of the machine?

00:37:13.000 Yeah.

00:37:13.000 I think that if you sell a company, you guys should change the name.

00:37:16.000 That's, I think, unethical to call it something else.

00:37:19.000 Because a company is, but the company is the people that are in the company.

00:37:23.000 That is what it is.

00:37:24.000 It's a company of people.

00:37:26.000 If the people change, then it's a different company.

00:37:29.000 Yeah, but I mean, look, I don't want the factory.

00:37:31.000 I just want the name.

00:37:31.000 Callahan.

00:37:32.000 Then have it in parentheses behind the new name, at least so you see the trail of what it used to be, what Disney now is.

00:37:32.000 It's premium.

00:37:38.000 But it's not Disney.

00:37:39.000 Walt Disney's gone.

00:37:40.000 That's going to make for very long domain names.

00:37:42.000 Yeah, and the corporation owns a bunch of IP.

00:37:45.000 You're talking about branding.

00:37:47.000 They can rebrand if they want.

00:37:48.000 It's like Blackwater, they just reappear as something new every other year.

00:37:51.000 I'm just saying, like, the idea that you could go to, say, a major pharmaceutical, like, let's say there's a major pharmaceutical that was accused of fraud and then found to be liable for that fraud and were fined billions.

00:38:04.000 I can't think of any pharmaceutical companies like that.

00:38:07.000 I'm pretty sure it's all of them!

00:38:08.000 I'm pretty sure every single one!

00:38:10.000 Like, we just, it's a cost of doing business.

00:38:12.000 So now you have these big pharmaceuticals being like, okay, how much money can we make off defrauding people?

00:38:17.000 Two billion?

00:38:18.000 What will we find by the government?

00:38:20.000 Hot dog, we're gonna make a billion dollars.

00:38:20.000 One billion?

00:38:22.000 That's what they do.

00:38:24.000 There needs to be a more serious penalty.

00:38:25.000 Does anyone have the schizophrenic soap, Bonner's soap, where it's got like all the text on it?

00:38:30.000 The soap that spies on you?

00:38:30.000 I love schizo soap.

00:38:32.000 Well, why is it schizo soap?

00:38:33.000 No, it's got like so much text about like religion and God and you just sit there and read it.

00:38:37.000 It's the one true religion.

00:38:38.000 Dr. Bronner's.

00:38:38.000 Anyways, I think they should do that.

00:38:41.000 Alright, alright, disagree, disagree.

00:38:43.000 Well, no, it's... I don't even know what the exact... I think it's Christian.

00:38:46.000 We should talk about the true religion.

00:38:46.000 Is it Christian?

00:38:49.000 I love Dr. Bronner.

00:38:50.000 So anyways, my point is they should have that on any sort of pharmaceutical company's bottle, but it's like all of their lawsuits.

00:38:57.000 No!

00:38:58.000 It's just listed all over it.

00:38:59.000 And that should be their punishment.

00:39:00.000 You have to list all of your failed... It's sort of like if you buy a pack of cigarettes, it has like a limp dick on it or something, right? 1.00

00:39:05.000 It's kind of like that, right? 0.99

00:39:06.000 They'll show you, especially for like... Like a black lung.

00:39:08.000 The last decade of lawsuits or something.

00:39:10.000 Yeah, how much money they lost.

00:39:11.000 And then maybe they wash off after time.

00:39:12.000 Yeah.

00:39:13.000 You know what I think would actually be even better than that?

00:39:16.000 For political campaigns, at the end of a political ad, in the same way that pharmaceutical ads have to list side effects, they have to list every scandal that politician is involved in, and like every policy failure that they're guilty of.

00:39:28.000 Yeah, it's Christian.

00:39:29.000 Every stock they're invested in.

00:39:30.000 It's a bunch of things, including my rent contra scandal, yeah.

00:39:32.000 Yeah, every stock, like all of it.

00:39:34.000 That was an extremely based bill of Matt Gaetz and AOC to support.

00:39:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:38.000 It was wild.

00:39:39.000 Bill against insider trading.

00:39:40.000 I love seeing that.

00:39:41.000 I love seeing the far left and the far right come together to own politicians.

00:39:47.000 You know, I do appreciate it.

00:39:48.000 You know what the bill's called?

00:39:49.000 AOC's insane and wrong.

00:39:51.000 She's not wrong on this. 1.00

00:39:52.000 But she's not wrong on this. 0.99

00:39:53.000 Don't you dare attack my queen when she's finally pregnant. 0.92

00:39:57.000 Your queen.

00:39:58.000 Your favorite.

00:39:59.000 It's true.

00:40:00.000 Behind the scenes, Lauren gushes about AOC nonstop.

00:40:03.000 It's called the Restoring Faith in Government Act.

00:40:06.000 I like the name.

00:40:07.000 Restoring My Faith in AOC Act.

00:40:09.000 Yeah, I think you're onto something with AOC.

00:40:11.000 It's not time to demonize.

00:40:13.000 Exactly.

00:40:13.000 I can fix her.

00:40:14.000 If you really think she's Lex Luthor or has that kind of power to become Lex Luthor, we should engage in conversation now and get ahead of this, rather than just wait for some horrible populist uprising where we use the mob to dictate law and order. 0.62

00:40:28.000 I think we need to psychologically manipulate her by whenever she does anything really good, the whole right wing need to just send her super loving messages constantly and just be like, keep going queen, keep going. 1.00

00:40:39.000 And then she'll slowly, like, psychologically be like, whoa, I'm getting a lot of support for this and just move further and further right until I've fixed her. 1.00

00:40:46.000 And then everyone's going to keep criticizing her from the right when she does something bad and then it's just going to be psychological abuse where it's going to be, like, very brutal, but both ways it's going to be, like, insanely high praise and then really brutal criticism.

00:40:56.000 No, no, no, it has to be nice.

00:40:57.000 What you're advocating for is hardcore manipulation right now.

00:41:01.000 This is a narcissistic cycle that's huge with AOC.

00:41:02.000 When she does something wrong, it has to be like, we love you so much, but I can't believe you've failed us here.

00:41:07.000 We're really disappointed, but we believe in you.

00:41:09.000 Oh my gosh, wouldn't it be awesome if political commentary was done that way?

00:41:13.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:41:16.000 I gotta give a shout out to Pinochet's Helicopter Tours, who says, Tim, I caught the Tommy Boy quote everyone missed.

00:41:21.000 What was it?

00:41:21.000 Thank you, sir.

00:41:22.000 When I said, I don't want The Factor, I just want Callahan.

00:41:25.000 It's a premium name.

00:41:26.000 Premium name.

00:41:27.000 Yeah.

00:41:27.000 Tommy Boy.

00:41:28.000 Come on.

00:41:28.000 Great movie.

00:41:29.000 That would be David Spade.

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 Uncultured.

00:41:31.000 No, that's true.

00:41:31.000 Uncultured.

00:41:32.000 The pinnacle of culture is Tommy Boy.

00:41:33.000 Was Saturday Night Live ever actually good?

00:41:35.000 Yeah, in 1989.

00:41:36.000 I honestly wonder about that.

00:41:38.000 Mike Myers, Dana Carvey.

00:41:40.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:41:41.000 And in the very beginning, I hear, I wasn't around for it.

00:41:43.000 There were definitely talented people there and there were some good skits, but we also have a selection bias.

00:41:47.000 You always end up seeing the best stuff from that era.

00:41:50.000 So I wonder if overall it was actually good.

00:41:53.000 They developed Wayne's World on SNL.

00:41:55.000 It was Sandman, Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider.

00:41:58.000 It was just an incredible, incredible group, man.

00:42:02.000 Incredible.

00:42:03.000 And Rob Schneider has all those movies where he turns into random things.

00:42:06.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 Those are classics.

00:42:08.000 He had all the movie spinoffs that came out.

00:42:10.000 I think the Congressional Library has selected those.

00:42:13.000 For preservation.

00:42:14.000 Kevin Nealon, oh man, Kevin Nealon's new, when he did the news, it was so dead.

00:42:20.000 Norm Macdonald was in there slaying it.

00:42:22.000 Oh yeah, no, look, look, like I said, I will not deny that there were talented people there, and I'm not even necessarily saying they weren't ever great, I'm just saying I wonder how great they were because I wasn't watching it back then and the only footage I see from it is likely the best stuff.

00:42:34.000 And there wasn't much else on.

00:42:36.000 Like, now we've got 10,000 more things that we can compare late-night comedy to.

00:42:40.000 That's also true.

00:42:41.000 We just did Normal World.

00:42:42.000 Shout out to Dave Landau and Quarter Black Garrett with The Blaze.

00:42:45.000 I was on the new one, so you're gonna want to go to Drugtopia on YouTube and check out Normal World.

00:42:49.000 But people are saying it's like SNL.

00:42:51.000 How was it in the 80s?

00:42:52.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:42:52.000 Late 80s?

00:42:53.000 That's awesome.

00:42:54.000 I think Landau's a brilliant genius.

00:42:56.000 Comedic genius.

00:42:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:58.000 He always got a laugh out of me.

00:43:00.000 Me too.

00:43:01.000 Yeah, he's a funny guy.

00:43:02.000 Yeah, Dave, come back.

00:43:03.000 Are you me-too-ing Dave Langevine? 1.00

00:43:05.000 That's right, you're an idiot. 1.00

00:43:06.000 What happened when you were out there? 1.00

00:43:07.000 Are you having trouble opening a bottle of soda?

00:43:11.000 This is the second bottle you have struggled to open on this show.

00:43:14.000 I gotta go to the bathroom.

00:43:16.000 Thanks for letting us know.

00:43:18.000 I swear, Lauren, if you mix that... I'm mixing the Glenlivet.

00:43:21.000 That's disgusting.

00:43:22.000 It's like Lauren comes on the show intending to offend whiskey aficionados. 1.00

00:43:27.000 She's a whiskey iconoclast.

00:43:28.000 If anything gets you cancelled, it has to be this.

00:43:32.000 I'm a trailblazer.

00:43:33.000 That's 25-year-old scotch and you just put Diet Coke in it.

00:43:37.000 I'm a trailblazer.

00:43:38.000 I'm sure it's fine.

00:43:38.000 When I got banned from the UK for my allies gay thing, they started a gay Muslim pride parade like four years later.

00:43:46.000 That's so weird.

00:43:48.000 They banned me from the country.

00:43:49.000 This is going to be the trend.

00:43:51.000 It won't.

00:43:53.000 I think we're going to say at some point there's a bridge too far.

00:43:59.000 Oh, don't act like you're enjoying that.

00:44:00.000 Don't act like that tastes good.

00:44:01.000 Is it actually good?

00:44:02.000 I imagine- No, it's not.

00:44:03.000 Would you like a Diet Coke and Blend Lovette?

00:44:05.000 If it's a Diet Coke, I wouldn't want, to be honest.

00:44:08.000 Like, I don't mind the alcohol, even though I know it's bad.

00:44:10.000 It's like the aspartame in the Diet Coke.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:12.000 Yeah, I'm like, nah, that's not my thing.

00:44:15.000 The alcohol, I know it's bad, but the aspartame freaks me out.

00:44:17.000 So I don't know if you guys know about this but so I've got a friend who's from India and he tells me that with AOC there's like a power behind the throne kind of a figure who's from India as well and I forget his name now but you know apparently this guy you know he found her in like a bar you know because she was a bartender and You know, because he was looking for somebody to be like the figurehead of, you know, this, you know, new popular politician, you know, for the left, and basically developed her into what she is today and all this stuff.

00:44:53.000 So I don't know if this is, you know, I've just never heard it before.

00:44:57.000 He sent me an article about it, but I can't find it now.

00:44:59.000 I just thought if maybe one of you guys knew about this.

00:45:02.000 I'm sure it's less nefarious than it sounds.

00:45:04.000 I think she's just a bad person, you know.

00:45:06.000 Yeah, but it's like she's not Lex Luthor intelligent.

00:45:09.000 Have you guys watched The Boys?

00:45:11.000 Yeah, I haven't really seen it.

00:45:12.000 You know the AOC character?

00:45:13.000 She like explodes people's heads. 1.00

00:45:15.000 Wait, is that the right one?

00:45:16.000 Yeah.

00:45:17.000 I never saw it.

00:45:19.000 It's an excellent show and it is completely true to all politics.

00:45:23.000 Yeah, but they do the scene at the end where Homelander, he's basically Superman and a Donald Trump, which is really hilarious.

00:45:30.000 That's a very funny concept.

00:45:31.000 I know.

00:45:32.000 He kills a protester, and then all of the MAGA people cheer for it, and I'm kind of like, nah.

00:45:38.000 The only problem is it does have a left-wing bias, but I think it could, it just applies to politics in general as well as the left, but it's obviously got this, like, hyperbole.

00:45:48.000 Dude, I'm pretty sure Stormfront was intended to be Laura Loomer.

00:45:52.000 I'm not kidding.

00:45:53.000 That's a dark-haired girl? 1.00

00:45:54.000 Stormfront is a woman who is like an actual Nazi who's immortal or something like that, and then she's pretending to not be a Nazi but is secretly a Nazi, and I'm like, I think they're trying to directly, like, it's a left-wing bias fantasy world where they're drawing correlations between reality but from a weird left-wing view.

00:46:17.000 Like, Homelander is Superman, but he's also Donald Trump.

00:46:20.000 It's kind of a weird thing to say.

00:46:23.000 I just think the same plotline can apply to any, like, left-wing politics.

00:46:26.000 They just, of course, because it's media and Hollywood, they have to do it from an anti-right perspective.

00:46:31.000 But it's anti-right, but they're also saying Trump is Superman.

00:46:34.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:36.000 I mean they make fun of Hallman.

00:46:37.000 He's like, Superman is inherently fascist, Tim.

00:46:39.000 Have you considered that?

00:46:40.000 I mean...

00:46:41.000 White man with a lot of power?

00:46:42.000 Sounds like fascism to me.

00:46:44.000 There is.

00:46:45.000 There are storylines in the comic book about Superman becoming a tyrant.

00:46:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:49.000 I mean, wouldn't he immediately?

00:46:51.000 Well remember, remember, what was his name?

00:46:53.000 Phoenix Jones?

00:46:54.000 Yes!

00:46:54.000 Real dude in Seattle.

00:46:55.000 He would walk around and like, fight crime.

00:46:57.000 And the left hated him.

00:46:58.000 He was a real, he probably still exists, or maybe not considering what's going on in Seattle, but he was the real life vigilante superhero who would dress up in an outfit.

00:47:07.000 He had a group with him too, like a superhero group.

00:47:09.000 And then when the Antifa riots started, he was with the cops, so they were like, you're a fascist because you're helping police.

00:47:14.000 Benjamin John Francis Sodor.

00:47:16.000 These people are destroying the city!

00:47:18.000 Like, I don't get it.

00:47:18.000 You're the bad guys.

00:47:19.000 I'm like, no, you're the bad guy.

00:47:20.000 You're helping cops.

00:47:21.000 And they would have, they would carry like a film crew around, or dudes would be on their cameras recording, so he'd gain popularity.

00:47:27.000 There was a Batman in Toronto as well a few years ago.

00:47:30.000 A Batman?

00:47:31.000 But he would just go around in a Batman costume and sneak up behind people and go, WHERE ARE THEY? 1.00

00:47:36.000 And just get the shit out of them. 0.99

00:47:38.000 He wasn't fighting crime. 0.99

00:47:40.000 Not super helpful.

00:47:41.000 I gotta point out, Wikipedia says he was a real life superhero, but I'm like, no he wasn't, he was a vigilante.

00:47:47.000 Superheroes...

00:47:50.000 It implies you have powers of some sort.

00:47:53.000 This is a guy wearing a costume.

00:47:54.000 Who's the closest thing we've had to like a real life Batman?

00:47:57.000 Tim Pool?

00:47:57.000 No.

00:47:58.000 Yeah, dude, no, that's true.

00:47:59.000 Well, you can't tell people about that.

00:48:00.000 The simping is next level today, Ian.

00:48:04.000 There really isn't anybody.

00:48:05.000 Clark Kent.

00:48:06.000 And I tweeted at Elon Musk, I was like, why haven't you built an Iron Man suit yet?

00:48:09.000 And he said, building Starship.

00:48:11.000 And I was like, okay, that's fair.

00:48:12.000 Is it, though?

00:48:14.000 Yeah, he's building a ship to colonize other planets.

00:48:15.000 Yeah, I just don't think that's nearly as cruel.

00:48:17.000 It's the wrong genre.

00:48:18.000 It's sci-fi and not, you know, superhero, but okay.

00:48:21.000 Well, I'll give him a pass on that one.

00:48:23.000 He's doing something, you know what I mean?

00:48:25.000 In the realm of psychology, because, like, we don't actually have people that go out and punch dudes and drag them around, but, like, psychological Batman?

00:48:31.000 Tim's a pretty good candidate.

00:48:33.000 Hold on.

00:48:34.000 I gotta give a shout-out to Noah Sanders, who says, SNL was funny when Norm Macdonald was on it.

00:48:39.000 Yes!

00:48:40.000 When Norm Macdonald did that Bill Clinton, remember he was on The View, and he was saying that Clinton's killed somebody, and they were like, stop saying that, and he was like, wow, I thought this was common knowledge.

00:48:51.000 Question, Seamus, who's your favorite superhero?

00:48:53.000 Oh, that's a good question.

00:48:55.000 I guess I haven't thought about it that much.

00:48:57.000 I mean, in terms of favorite superhero movies, I loved The Dark Knight, you know, when that came out.

00:49:04.000 He just wants to do the voice.

00:49:05.000 Bane is my favorite too, Seamus.

00:49:10.000 You think the darkness is your ally?

00:49:13.000 Um, yeah, I think probably, probably Batman, but that's kind of a tough one.

00:49:17.000 I just like those films.

00:49:18.000 I haven't given it that much thought.

00:49:19.000 What about you?

00:49:20.000 Oh, geez.

00:49:21.000 I liked Gambit for a long time.

00:49:23.000 He's an X-Man.

00:49:24.000 Oh, man, my favorite superhero.

00:49:26.000 That's wild.

00:49:27.000 Nightcrawler.

00:49:28.000 He's pretty cool.

00:49:29.000 Oh, is he?

00:49:30.000 Wait, who's the one who's Catholic? 0.94

00:49:31.000 Is that Nightcrawler?

00:49:32.000 I don't think so.

00:49:32.000 He's a German dude with blue skin.

00:49:34.000 He's, like, got a tail and he can teleport.

00:49:35.000 Hold on a second.

00:49:36.000 Are you sure he's not Catholic?

00:49:37.000 I'm pretty sure he's Catholic.

00:49:38.000 He's Catholic? 0.96

00:49:39.000 I think so.

00:49:39.000 Alright, you know what?

00:49:40.000 Nightcrawler's actually my favorite superhero now.

00:49:43.000 You know, because of my identity politics.

00:49:45.000 The teleportation ability is really cool.

00:49:47.000 That's, like, one of my favorite superheroes.

00:49:49.000 What about you, Lauren?

00:49:52.000 What's the blue girl who can turn into stuff? 1.00

00:49:55.000 Marvel nerds seething.

00:49:58.000 Mixing scotch with coke.

00:50:00.000 I got bad news, guys.

00:50:01.000 I got bad news guys.

00:50:07.000 What?

00:50:08.000 Phoenix Jones was arrested January 2020 for allegedly selling methyl I can't say this

00:50:16.000 MDMA.

00:50:17.000 How do you say it?

00:50:17.000 Methylenedioxy.

00:50:19.000 Methylenedioxymethamphetamine to an undercover police officer.

00:50:23.000 How the mighty have fallen.

00:50:24.000 Oh, Jones.

00:50:25.000 That's kind of wild that like you'd think when a superhero becomes bad, they do some super villain thing.

00:50:29.000 That's the thing that people... Can you imagine if Batman broke bad, but instead of like trying to take over Gotham, he's like, Alright, I got some meth for ya.

00:50:39.000 No, he was selling MDMA.

00:50:41.000 He was saving that police officer's mental health.

00:50:44.000 Mystique.

00:50:45.000 Mystique, yes.

00:50:46.000 Mystique.

00:50:46.000 I like her.

00:50:47.000 She can change form. 0.97

00:50:48.000 I don't like her.

00:50:48.000 I think that would be a cool superpower to have.

00:50:50.000 That's my question.

00:50:51.000 So, superpowers.

00:50:51.000 Oh, a good superpower.

00:50:53.000 Okay.

00:50:54.000 So, I feel like it's almost childish to say Superman, but 100... I mean, he's OP, but I think I'd take Superman's powers.

00:51:00.000 DC's OP.

00:51:01.000 What about, like, Jean Grey?

00:51:03.000 Who dat?

00:51:03.000 I only say Jean Grey because Professor X can't walk.

00:51:06.000 And so it's like, you'd rather have telekinesis and telepathy, but have the ability to walk and fly, too.

00:51:10.000 You know, like Jean Grey.

00:51:11.000 And, you know... You'd want telepathy?

00:51:14.000 I'm asking.

00:51:15.000 Oh, okay.

00:51:16.000 Yeah, because Professor X can control people's minds, you know what I mean?

00:51:19.000 Well, like, Superman can, like, Superman even travels back in time sometimes. 0.82

00:51:22.000 It's ridiculous. 0.95

00:51:23.000 I would want to do that. 0.93

00:51:23.000 Yeah, but he doesn't have the power to do it. 0.93

00:51:24.000 Flash can do it because he has speed force and all that, and speed force is its own thing that makes no sense, but, like, it's speed force.

00:51:30.000 Flash can also kidnap indigenous women really quickly.

00:51:33.000 Has he done that before?

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 What's the guy who's acting him?

00:51:38.000 Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right.

00:51:40.000 Wait, but hold on, hold on.

00:51:42.000 Did that actor also moonwalk on the subway?

00:51:46.000 Because when people moonwalk on the subway, oh.

00:51:48.000 They go back in time?

00:51:49.000 I think in court they need to do a forensic analysis of that moonwalking on the subway video to make sure that's real.

00:51:54.000 Yo, that Babylon Bee article was bonkers.

00:51:56.000 Yeah, can we pull that up?

00:51:57.000 They're brutal.

00:51:58.000 I don't know.

00:51:58.000 Very funny.

00:51:59.000 John, I'm not... I don't even know what to say.

00:52:00.000 They're hysterical.

00:52:01.000 Who's your favorite superhero?

00:52:03.000 Superheroes, it's all Nephilim propaganda, man. 0.99

00:52:07.000 Go deeper.

00:52:08.000 So true.

00:52:08.000 Tell me more.

00:52:09.000 So true, Dean.

00:52:11.000 Nephilim like the ancient from the Bible, the ancient ones? 0.95

00:52:13.000 Right, yeah, yeah.

00:52:14.000 You know, it's half human, half angel, or half god, right?

00:52:19.000 A lot of these superheroes are like that, right?

00:52:22.000 They got special powers.

00:52:23.000 They're like gods to the people.

00:52:25.000 And yeah, it's just Nephilim propaganda, man. 0.89

00:52:28.000 So, you know, we all need to repent from that.

00:52:30.000 Do you think the Nephilim were real?

00:52:32.000 I do.

00:52:32.000 Yes, I think they're real today.

00:52:34.000 Jameis, do you think they're real? 1.00

00:52:35.000 So Nephilim is... there's this little moment in Genesis 6, I believe, where there's a mention of the Nephilim.

00:52:43.000 And it's something like that the children of God saw the daughters of men.

00:52:46.000 But there have been so many different interpretations extrapolated out of it.

00:52:52.000 There's two main ones.

00:52:54.000 I can't make heads or tails of exactly what that verse means.

00:52:57.000 Jimmy Akin did a very interesting analysis of it a little while back that I thought was super helpful.

00:53:04.000 I'll never forget doing a...

00:53:07.000 When the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men. 0.97

00:53:12.000 I know what that is.

00:53:16.000 I've heard some people say that regionally there was a group of people who were very powerful who they referred to with that language.

00:53:24.000 Can I believe just that there are people out there with superpowers?

00:53:29.000 I won't tell you that you can't.

00:53:31.000 I don't know.

00:53:32.000 Maybe some people can do things that I'm not aware of.

00:53:35.000 But are they bad?

00:53:36.000 Are they evil?

00:53:37.000 I think so, yeah.

00:53:37.000 Well, yeah, I think the general consensus is that they're bad.

00:53:41.000 The Nephilim were bad? 0.98

00:53:43.000 Well, that's usually how it's described.

00:53:44.000 Again, I can't speak on it too much because there's just this one short verse and there's so many interpretations taken out of it.

00:53:50.000 It's Genesis 6.

00:53:52.000 There's two main views.

00:53:53.000 One is that it's the line of Seth and the line of Cain.

00:53:56.000 So, you know, they're all humans.

00:53:58.000 It doesn't really follow, it doesn't follow logic, basically, because it's like, well, you know, I should read it now.

00:54:11.000 But the other line, or the other view, is called the angel view, which is that the sons of God, which is in Hebrew, the B'nai Ha'Elohim, sons of God, That term is used in the Old Testament to basically describe a direct creation by God.

00:54:30.000 So, Adam was a son of God.

00:54:34.000 And then, you know, and later on in the Old Testament as well, the same term is used, you know, in terms of angels, right?

00:54:46.000 Most human beings, so post-Adam, would be described as son of men.

00:54:51.000 Right?

00:54:52.000 So, when it says in Genesis 6, the sons of God, it's most likely it talks about angels.

00:55:01.000 So they came down, and in the book of Enoch, which is not in the Bible, it basically says that much more clearly, which is also like a really old book, right?

00:55:09.000 It's a well-regarded book.

00:55:11.000 It's not canon, but it's highly regarded.

00:55:13.000 And in that book, also, the Sons of God is, you know, it's talking about angels.

00:55:20.000 So they came down— Isn't the book of Enoch where the dude goes up to heaven or something?

00:55:25.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:27.000 I think that with—oh, I'm sorry, I want to let you continue because I think— Yeah, so that's basically it. 0.79

00:55:33.000 So yeah, so they came down, they had sex with human women, and they birthed hybrid beings. 1.00

00:55:41.000 Uh, who, uh, it seems like were giants.

00:55:43.000 It's not exactly clear if they were giants, but it seems like they were, because later on in the scripture you read about giants as well.

00:55:48.000 Okay, this is- Oh, sorry.

00:55:49.000 This is what I wanted to comment on actually, because I was doing a- A Nephilim?

00:55:53.000 Yes.

00:55:53.000 Okay, okay.

00:55:53.000 It's about the Nephilim.

00:55:54.000 Alright, because I don't want to move from this before I comment.

00:55:56.000 Don't worry.

00:55:56.000 I was doing a university course on City of God by St.

00:55:59.000 Augustine a few years back.

00:56:01.000 Okay, based?

00:56:01.000 Right?

00:56:02.000 Directed study.

00:56:03.000 And then we get to a part of the book where St.

00:56:05.000 Augustine is talking about seeing a giant skull on the beach and, like, giant bones and stuff.

00:56:09.000 And I'm like, hello, like, class, like, is anyone else seeing this?

00:56:12.000 And they're just like, no, no, no, that's not the point, Lauren.

00:56:14.000 Moving on.

00:56:14.000 And I'm like, what?

00:56:15.000 We're not going to talk about this?

00:56:17.000 Yeah, I don't know what that means, but... Can I just mention something?

00:56:20.000 One last thing.

00:56:22.000 The myth of giants and cyclops likely came from elephant skulls.

00:56:26.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 And they thought the trunk hole was an eye hole.

00:56:28.000 Yeah, I've heard that.

00:56:29.000 So I know that, so for example, the Catholic Church doesn't have an official teaching on like with the Nephilim War.

00:56:34.000 I know a lot of people argue that they're the sons of God could translate to like demons or fallen angels.

00:56:40.000 That's been widely speculated.

00:56:41.000 But then part of the difficulty there is that angels don't have bodies, right?

00:56:47.000 They can't procreate the way people do.

00:56:50.000 And I know that, and I just found this information.

00:56:52.000 I want to address that body thing before you move on.

00:56:55.000 Aren't they like big wheels or something?

00:56:57.000 So there's different descriptions.

00:56:58.000 There's various classes of angels.

00:56:59.000 Yeah, there's different descriptions of angels.

00:57:01.000 But there is one that's described as like a big wheel with wings.

00:57:04.000 I just want to finish this.

00:57:05.000 I found a very, this could be helpful, I found a very interesting little bit here on Catholic Answers from Tom Nash and he just wrote a pretty lengthy thing on this but one part I want to zone in on because he's referencing the church fathers is that he writes, the early church fathers generally understood the sons of God to be the offspring of Seth, the righteous son of Adam, whereas daughters of men are understood to be the offspring of Cain, the immoral son of Adam, thus fallen ones could be understood as the fruit of succumbing to the corrupt Canaanite culture.

00:57:32.000 Which is an interesting interpretation.

00:57:34.000 I haven't looked at it myself, but I've heard that a lot of early church fathers actually believed the angel view, so I don't know when the Seth thing came into play, but... Well yeah, and like I said, the Nephilim thing has always been... 0.63

00:57:48.000 It's always been interesting every time it's come up.

00:57:49.000 I haven't done a deep dive into it, and part of it is there is no official Catholic stance on it.

00:57:58.000 Part of why it's so tantalizing is because so little is written about it, right?

00:58:01.000 It just comes up there for a moment in the Bible and then it's not talked about again later, so people are naturally going to read things into that and try to extrapolate.

00:58:07.000 I think it's an important issue because Why was the flood sent, right?

00:58:13.000 It says explicitly because of man's violence on the earth and that sort of thing, right?

00:58:18.000 All man was corrupt.

00:58:20.000 But if you read a little deeper, if it's true that these were fallen angels who came down and made it with human women, right?

00:58:31.000 That's a corruption of the human genome.

00:58:33.000 Okay.

00:58:34.000 Now in Genesis 3, this is right after the fall, and God, you know, God went to confront them in the garden after the fall.

00:58:45.000 You know, what did you do?

00:58:46.000 And then he basically tells, he tells a serpent, That I'm going to put war between you and the woman seed, the seed of the woman, which is a very odd phrase because a woman doesn't have seed, right?

00:58:59.000 That's a prophecy of Jesus Christ, the seed of the woman, virgin birth, right? 0.96

00:59:04.000 I'm going to put a war between you two. 0.99

00:59:07.000 So right away, there's already like, if you're Satan, you know, okay, his plan is to have,

00:59:15.000 is to basically bring about a human redeemer, right?

00:59:24.000 So this is the incarnation of Jesus Christ in the flesh to be the offering for, you know, on the sin of man.

00:59:31.000 Had to be a human being, right?

00:59:37.000 What's his plan after that, if you're Satan?

00:59:39.000 You want to corrupt the DNA of mankind, right?

00:59:44.000 So, it got so bad, it was so successful, that that's why the flood was sent, to basically wipe this out.

00:59:50.000 Because it talks about Noah.

00:59:51.000 Noah was perfect in his generations.

00:59:56.000 What does that mean?

00:59:58.000 Noah was perfect in his generations.

00:59:59.000 Well, I would disagree, because I don't believe that Satan's interest is in corrupting human genetics, it's in corrupting man's heart.

01:00:05.000 Because that's what God wants.

01:00:06.000 God's not interested in our genes.

01:00:08.000 No, DNA is a very important part of redemption, I think.

01:00:11.000 I disagree.

01:00:12.000 I think that's a very ancient Jewish view of it, right?

01:00:15.000 That's a very ancient Jewish view of it, because they believed they were the chosen people.

01:00:18.000 The term kinsmen redeemer.

01:00:22.000 Why that word kinsman?

01:00:24.000 It means, you know, when you talk of somebody's kin, you talk of somebody's relative, right?

01:00:32.000 And we're part of the human family, made in the image of God.

01:00:35.000 There are other beings out there, like angels and different classes of angels.

01:00:38.000 They do not qualify for, you know, for the work of the cross, right?

01:00:42.000 Wait, repeat that?

01:00:44.000 Wait, who doesn't qualify for the work of the Council of Angels?

01:00:48.000 Angels for sure.

01:00:50.000 Angels are not human beings though, right?

01:00:51.000 So I'm saying there aren't specific kinds of human beings of whom we could say they don't have the right genetic combination in order to be saved.

01:00:57.000 No, no, it's human DNA.

01:00:58.000 And the devil is not trying to alter.

01:01:00.000 But also, there are other elements here that are important.

01:01:04.000 Well, no, angels don't have DNA because they're not physical beings.

01:01:08.000 And also, there are ancient Jewish commentaries that offer up reasons for why the flood happened, one of which being that it's because men were entering into contracts with other men.

01:01:17.000 I don't think it's the main reason, but I think it's part of it.

01:01:20.000 Sodom and Gomorrah.

01:01:21.000 Who came down to visit Lot?

01:01:22.000 You're talking about the angels?

01:01:23.000 Sodom and Gomorrah. Who came down to visit Lot?

01:01:31.000 Are you talking about the angels? Angels. Okay, yeah, sure, sure.

01:01:36.000 When the men of Sodom and Gomorrah saw them, they wanted to rape them. 1.00

01:01:40.000 You wanted to rape them, yeah. 0.99

01:01:41.000 Okay, but they're men, but they're also angels. 0.99

01:01:43.000 Well, but that doesn't mean they literally have physical form, it means they're appearing in such a way so that they can communicate with the human beings in that area.

01:01:50.000 Probably hyper-dimensionality, you know, they can probably materialize.

01:01:54.000 Might have light, like flying machines with light on them.

01:01:57.000 Maybe one way to explain it would be like, imagine if, on this table, there's like little tiny houses and stuff, and we are looking down at these little tiny people, and then you put your hand down and walk with your hand like it's a person.

01:02:09.000 Like it's not really a person.

01:02:11.000 I think that's a good rough analogy.

01:02:13.000 Two angels went to visit Abraham as well, right?

01:02:16.000 And Sarah.

01:02:17.000 Yeah, but I don't think that angels... They ate food, right?

01:02:22.000 So they have physical bodies.

01:02:24.000 There are interesting descriptions, and I don't disagree with you, but that doesn't help.

01:02:27.000 Now let's do the hand puppet thing, where it's like, we're looking down on these little creatures, and we stick our hand in there and like, picture them.

01:02:34.000 Oh yeah, like shining a spotlight on the ground and moving it around?

01:02:36.000 If you're in a hot air balloon with a spotlight?

01:02:39.000 Yeah, so I think...

01:02:40.000 Well, because also like eating...

01:02:41.000 You're talking about hyper-dimensionality, is that where you're kind of getting at, or...

01:02:43.000 Yeah, there's another point...

01:02:44.000 Like they're in a separate dimension and they're only putting the tip of their finger in to

01:02:46.000 interact with us.

01:02:47.000 So...

01:02:48.000 And this leads into...

01:02:49.000 Well, can I just make...

01:02:50.000 Oh, wait.

01:02:51.000 Yeah, I just want to respond to your point.

01:02:52.000 So eating, just in a very human sense, and also in terms of how it's often expressed

01:02:57.000 biblically, it's a way of relating to other people, right?

01:03:00.000 People sit down and they eat with one another.

01:03:02.000 So I think that angels either creating some kind of illusion of a physical form where

01:03:06.000 they're eating communicates a kind of community or agreement with that person, but it doesn't

01:03:10.000 necessarily say we have DNA.

01:03:11.000 Right, right, right.

01:03:12.000 And I agree, because I've seen Cookie Monster eat, but he's not really eating.

01:03:16.000 He never gets full.

01:03:17.000 It's just flapping the mouth and the cookies go flying all around.

01:03:19.000 Right, exactly.

01:03:20.000 But like...

01:03:21.000 I don't think it looked like that.

01:03:22.000 No, but you know my point, like...

01:03:23.000 Oh, no, I get what you're saying.

01:03:24.000 Cookie Monster doesn't have DNA. 0.95

01:03:25.000 Dogs...

01:03:26.000 It's a dude in a costume with a hand in the mouth.

01:03:27.000 Dogs have DNA, right?

01:03:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:29.000 I'm just imagining the angel like...

01:03:30.000 Okay, so Jesus...

01:03:31.000 Jesus Christ...

01:03:32.000 Jesus Christ, he became flesh, but what kind of flesh did he become?

01:03:38.000 He became, yeah, the God became man.

01:03:40.000 But man, not dog, not angel, you know, say they have DNA.

01:03:46.000 He did not become angel, because there were angels who sinned, right?

01:03:50.000 Yeah, fallen angels, yeah.

01:03:51.000 You know, in 2 Peter, I think he says that as well, you know, those who did not keep their first estate.

01:03:58.000 So, these are angels who came down and committed sin.

01:04:01.000 So, there are angels who have sinned.

01:04:03.000 They have no chance of redemption.

01:04:05.000 I agree with that.

01:04:06.000 Why?

01:04:06.000 Because Loki and Bartleby in Dogma.

01:04:08.000 They have no chance because Jesus Christ became a man and he died for the sins of man.

01:04:14.000 So if you're an angel who has sinned, you're out of luck, right?

01:04:18.000 You cannot be redeemed through that work.

01:04:21.000 What about in Dogma?

01:04:22.000 Remember, have you ever seen the movie, Dogma?

01:04:23.000 I've not seen it, no.

01:04:24.000 So, Loki and Bartleby are fallen angels, and then there's a centennial at a church, and they say that all those who walk through the gates during the centennial will have their sins forgiven.

01:04:34.000 And then Bartleby's like, this is how we get into heaven, and Loki's like, what?

01:04:40.000 Church doesn't mean we can, and he was like, what you hold true on earth, I will hold true in heaven.

01:04:45.000 We will be forgiven and we can go home.

01:04:46.000 And that's the premise of the movie.

01:04:48.000 Well, it's the gospel of that movie, I guess.

01:04:49.000 But it's interesting to think that a non-human could be redeemed by a human god. 0.91

01:04:53.000 Maybe that's true.

01:04:54.000 Well, because God, in the Incarnation, He stooped down to our level, in a sense.

01:04:58.000 I've heard it expressed that way.

01:05:00.000 But God is, obviously, outside of spaces, outside of time.

01:05:04.000 Through the Incarnation, God did become man.

01:05:07.000 But my understanding and part of the Catholic understanding of what's different between human and angels and part of why that redemption doesn't apply is firstly, of course, God behaves in mysterious ways.

01:05:15.000 We can't always explain or understand why he would choose for his redemption to be efficacious.

01:05:20.000 Not for the angels, but one explanation I've heard that I think is pretty compelling is because angels have the capability of acting with will in a way that's not as pronounced in human beings because we're less

01:05:33.000 intelligent than they are so because of their superior intellect

01:05:36.000 they're more capable and because they don't have physical bodies and aren't in

01:05:40.000 time the exact same way we are their choice is

01:05:45.000 permanent whenever they make one so it's not just that they can't be forgiven

01:05:48.000 it's that they can't repent. So God does not expect much of us. Well they can't repent.

01:05:51.000 Well, God, I think there's an argument to be made that he respects less of us than he, or expects less of us in a certain sense because of our corporeal form and limitations than he would expect of angels.

01:06:00.000 Because we are different beings and angels have a far superior intellect.

01:06:03.000 We were made in the image of God and angels were not.

01:06:06.000 We were very special.

01:06:07.000 We're made in God's image and likeness.

01:06:09.000 Yeah.

01:06:09.000 Like, we're made in God's image.

01:06:10.000 That's a big deal.

01:06:11.000 No disagreement there.

01:06:12.000 And the angels, they don't have that distinction.

01:06:15.000 Yeah, that's an interesting point.

01:06:17.000 So maybe Adam did have superior intellect.

01:06:20.000 Before the fall.

01:06:21.000 Before the fall.

01:06:21.000 You're arguing.

01:06:22.000 That's interesting.

01:06:23.000 I'd have to consider that.

01:06:24.000 I've never heard that.

01:06:24.000 I'd have to think about that.

01:06:25.000 We're going to read about that.

01:06:27.000 And he also knew what he was doing, by the way.

01:06:28.000 He was not deceived, right?

01:06:30.000 Eva was deceived, by the way.

01:06:31.000 I just want to throw that out there as well.

01:06:32.000 Yeah, it does describe Eva as being deceived.

01:06:34.000 I agree that knowing the right answer and choosing to do wrong is much more sinful than not knowing and doing the wrong thing.

01:06:42.000 Well, there's increased levels of culpability based on your level of knowledge and ability.

01:06:47.000 Sure.

01:06:47.000 So, you know, based on what you're saying there, too, so with Adam, he knew exactly what he was doing when, you know, he basically—so, he loved his wife so much that when she ate of the fruit and fell into sin, that he did not want to lose her.

01:07:07.000 This is what I think.

01:07:09.000 I actually agree with this.

01:07:10.000 He did not want to lose her and so he also willingly partook of the fruit and willingly disobeyed to be with his wife because he loved her so much.

01:07:19.000 That's a reflection of Jesus Christ and the church.

01:07:24.000 Because he willingly died as well so he could be with his church.

01:07:29.000 So, the Bride of Christ.

01:07:31.000 Can I comment on that?

01:07:32.000 Because I agree with part of that and disagree with the other part of it.

01:07:34.000 It's definitely been a part of ancient commentary, and there's a theological basis for saying one of the reasons Adam did choose to eat of the fruit was because he did not want to be separated from his wife.

01:07:45.000 However, I know that the Church and myself don't understand that to mean that that was a good thing.

01:07:51.000 And that that was an act of love because by committing that, whereas Christ's death for us was an act of love and was a good thing.

01:07:58.000 But there's more to it than that.

01:07:59.000 I've mentioned this on the show before too.

01:08:01.000 Adam sinned in the sense also that he saw his wife talking to a snake and didn't intervene.

01:08:05.000 And there's a reason the serpent went for Eve.

01:08:07.000 There's a reason the serpent went for Eve because the man is supposed to engage in discourse for the household.

01:08:13.000 And so part of the result of that is that women tend in their fallen nature, because all humans have a 1.00

01:08:19.000 fallen nature, towards usurpation and trying to take roles that are meant for men,

01:08:23.000 and men fail in the sense that we abdicate our responsibility and don't do what's necessary to protect

01:08:28.000 women. 0.81

01:08:28.000 It's also possible, because I think when God told Adam, you can't eat from this fruit, that was before Eve was made, 0.81

01:08:37.000 I think, right?

01:08:38.000 So...

01:08:39.000 I think he told both of them.

01:08:40.000 So yeah, I'm not clear on that.

01:08:42.000 So that's just what I'm thinking. 0.86

01:08:44.000 Do you think that Adam did the right thing by joining his wife in the tripping balls or whatever the hell they were doing? 0.91

01:08:49.000 That's tough. 0.86

01:08:49.000 I mean, it's tough. 0.86

01:08:51.000 It's tough to say because, I mean, on the face of it, no, it was the wrong thing.

01:08:54.000 He simped, right?

01:08:55.000 He disobeyed God.

01:08:57.000 But again, you know, it's like, You know, the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, so God knew this would happen at the same time.

01:09:05.000 So it's like, it's one of those things where I'm like, yeah, I'm not sure.

01:09:07.000 Like, it was part of the plan or not?

01:09:10.000 Also, when the serpent comes to Eve, he says, is it not true that you can't eat of any of the trees?

01:09:15.000 And she said, well, no, we can't eat from that tree.

01:09:17.000 So she did know.

01:09:17.000 She did know.

01:09:18.000 But also, I find that I part- Was she told by Adam?

01:09:20.000 Or what she told... I believe she's told... I'd have to double check on that.

01:09:24.000 Anyway, it's not a big... It's just interesting.

01:09:27.000 I love how before we started the podcast... Also, she was not fallen though, right?

01:09:30.000 She was not fallen, so she would have been in greater contact with God than people are now, regardless.

01:09:35.000 Now, yeah.

01:09:36.000 You were literally like, this is going to become a Bible study.

01:09:40.000 The metaphor I can think of is like if my wife was smoking weed and I'm like, man, when you get high, I can't get through to you like this.

01:09:47.000 So maybe I'll smoke weed with you.

01:09:48.000 Like that's like Adam eating the fruit to be with his woman. 0.88

01:09:51.000 Maybe it was just a big old simp, you know?

01:09:53.000 Well, this is one of the things, and different theologians have described this differently, but basically, Adam and Eve, they committed different sins.

01:10:02.000 Father Ripper talks about this, and I believe the way he broke it down was, I think, Adam committing seven sins and Eve committing five, and I can't remember exactly how he explained them, but one of the sins of Adam was basically what we would colloquially refer to as being a simp.

01:10:14.000 He chose the woman over God, and in doing so, he wasn't actually choosing what was good It's good for her, right? 0.89

01:10:20.000 Because you can't choose the best thing for another person unless you're choosing what God wants you to choose.

01:10:25.000 Oh man, that's tough.

01:10:26.000 I think there's something sinful in itself of going back in time and being like, all women are responsible or all men are responsible for this.

01:10:32.000 Everyone's trying to abdicate their own responsibility for original sin and sin in general.

01:10:37.000 You had a great tweet the other day that was like, stop purity testing others and start purity testing yourself.

01:10:42.000 Amen.

01:10:42.000 Why, yeah, exactly.

01:10:44.000 Why not remove the beam from your own eye?

01:10:46.000 James, are you saying that rose before hose is codified in the Bible?

01:10:49.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:10:51.000 What I'm saying is obey God, love the Lord your God with all your heart.

01:10:54.000 That's a bit different.

01:10:55.000 He broke the bros before hoes rule. 1.00

01:10:57.000 That's why we're in this mess now.

01:11:00.000 You could ask what's more important, adhering to God's will or being with your wife? 0.54

01:11:06.000 But actually, God is like, I gave you all, like, imagine, you know, you hook up a guy and his wife with a place to live and food, and they're in need, and you're like, I got you this place, you can crash at my place, there's beers in the fridge, there's pizzas, just don't eat my apples, dude, like, I really, I just don't want them.

01:11:27.000 There's psilocybin in there.

01:11:28.000 No, no, it's just, they're mine, you can have anything from the fridge, You don't gotta worry about rent, just please don't eat my apples.

01:11:34.000 And then Eve's like, I'm gonna eat one.

01:11:35.000 And then he's like, okay, I guess. 0.99

01:11:37.000 Like, that's a dick move. 0.98

01:11:38.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

01:11:39.000 Yeah, well, also, I mean, God told them not to do this.

01:11:41.000 One thing that's fascinating, I know that, uh, and I'm blanking on his name, but there's an old, um, Orthodox theologian who said that God may have allowed them to eat from that tree later, but didn't think that they were ready.

01:11:54.000 I don't know if that's the official position of the church, I just find that to be an interesting commentary from an Orthodox theologian.

01:11:59.000 I'm just like, simply put, if someone is letting you stay at their place and it's like everything's taken care of.

01:12:04.000 Well, God told them not to, so of course they shouldn't do that.

01:12:06.000 God told them not to.

01:12:07.000 And what did the devil say?

01:12:08.000 You will become like gods if you do it.

01:12:09.000 He told them the same lie that people tell themselves and that he tells people today.

01:12:13.000 You will become your own god.

01:12:14.000 You will become like god. 0.98

01:12:15.000 The snake is like the neighbor who comes over and is like, eat the apple, who cares, screw this guy. 0.80

01:12:19.000 And she's like, alright.

01:12:20.000 So many people treat it like a cruelty, like he was trying to prevent them from some sort of knowledge, but I almost see it the way we treat children.

01:12:27.000 Like, I don't want you to have to struggle with the same things I struggle with.

01:12:31.000 I want you to remain in your magic for as long as possible as a child.

01:12:35.000 I want to protect that world that you're in." 0.76

01:12:37.000 And God telling them, like, don't eat of this.

01:12:39.000 It's almost like, I know those apples.

01:12:41.000 I have a poison in them that's going to begin to corrupt your mind, and I don't want that for you.

01:12:46.000 Yeah.

01:12:46.000 Dosage.

01:12:47.000 You know, don't eat three hits of acid, is basically what he's telling them.

01:12:49.000 Don't have the fruit.

01:12:50.000 Go slow.

01:12:50.000 And she's like, you know what, I'm going to eat that.

01:12:51.000 Because I think the fruit is the psilocybin mushroom or the amanita muscaria.

01:12:56.000 They talk about the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil, I think is what... The two different trees were the mushrooms that grew that had the chemicals that basically gave these animals consciousness.

01:13:07.000 And she overdosed.

01:13:08.000 She took a huge dose of it.

01:13:09.000 And then Adam's like, what?

01:13:10.000 And she's like, Adam, we are.

01:13:13.000 And he's like, what?

01:13:14.000 And then he's like, all right, I'll join... Because he loved her so much.

01:13:16.000 He's like, I wanna understand what you understand.

01:13:19.000 And God's like, this is gonna change everything.

01:13:22.000 Do not, don't go down that path.

01:13:23.000 So, I'll explain it from Ian's perspective.

01:13:25.000 So, the aliens came to Earth and were doing genetic experiments and they created these little like, you know, human monkey dudes.

01:13:31.000 And then they were just like, you no eat mushroom!

01:13:34.000 No, no!

01:13:35.000 And then he leaves and then one dude comes in and he's like, you should totally do it.

01:13:39.000 And then the female's like, oh, and eats it. 1.00

01:13:41.000 And the male's like, oh, and then eats it. 0.88

01:13:42.000 And they're like, what just happened?

01:13:44.000 Dude, I'm naked!

01:13:45.000 Except here's where I disagree.

01:13:47.000 And this is part of why I disagree.

01:13:49.000 One of the reasons I would disagree with that kind of interpretation is because it suggests that man was lower than he is now before he committed the original sin.

01:13:58.000 And now he's risen to a higher level of consciousness.

01:14:01.000 I believe it's the exact opposite.

01:14:02.000 Original sin brought us down.

01:14:03.000 Let me ask you, like, what was the apple?

01:14:06.000 It's been debated.

01:14:07.000 I mean, it actually isn't even called an apple.

01:14:10.000 It's called a fruit, but we refer to it as an apple.

01:14:12.000 And some people in other cultures actually find that kind of funny.

01:14:15.000 Like, wait, you like specifically call it an apple?

01:14:17.000 I mean, that makes it sound less metaphorical.

01:14:19.000 It doesn't really matter.

01:14:20.000 But you know, some people think it was a fig.

01:14:22.000 Some people think it was a, what's it called?

01:14:25.000 It's probably, you know, it may have been just, you know, not really anything.

01:14:29.000 I mean, I don't know if you refer to like product when fruit meaning like the product

01:14:34.000 of a labor or something, you know what I mean?

01:14:36.000 Yeah, probably, you know, it may have been just, you know, not really anything.

01:14:40.000 It's just it was a test.

01:14:44.000 Will you obey or will you not?

01:14:46.000 Oh, it could have literally just been like a little fruit that didn't matter at all.

01:14:49.000 And what's funny, though, is once they took of that fruit and disobeyed and committed sin, you know, God then banished them out of Eden and then put an angel with a flaming sword To basically block them from getting to the tree of life, right?

01:15:12.000 Which is interesting because it's like, why did he not do that with the first tree, right?

01:15:18.000 So, it was a test.

01:15:21.000 And once they disobeyed and fell into sin, if they then took of that life tree, That may have like, you know, like sealed their fate forever.

01:15:33.000 I've actually heard that.

01:15:35.000 I think God wanted them to take the fruit.

01:15:39.000 I don't think he wanted them to, but I think he really would, right?

01:15:41.000 I do.

01:15:42.000 I think humans have free will, right?

01:15:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:45.000 And then we are supposed to be virtuous people, and then if we are, and we're faithful, we're rewarded in heaven.

01:15:50.000 Because if they did not take of the fruit, they would have been, you know, like in this sort of childlike state forever.

01:15:54.000 Well, but we call this the happy fault.

01:15:56.000 We call this the happy fault as well.

01:15:58.000 There's no opportunity to prove you're a good, moral, virtuous person unless you enter this space.

01:16:04.000 I don't know if that's true.

01:16:05.000 Well, because they could have proven that they were good and virtuous simply by not eating it because they would have obeyed God, but there is precedent in the Catholic tradition.

01:16:12.000 There's precedent in the Catholic tradition for referring to the happy fault, right?

01:16:16.000 So obviously, I mean, this original sin, every horrible thing that has ever happened in the world happened because of this sin.

01:16:22.000 We can't underestimate that, right?

01:16:24.000 Every genocide, every act of rape or child sexual exploitation, everything, every horrible thing that ever happened happened because of this original sin.

01:16:33.000 The severity can't be understated.

01:16:39.000 It's the fault of all of us, or it's the fault of Adam and Eve, but there's an additional element here which is that all being true, Christ was able to show us this beautiful love and God was able to show us this beautiful love As a result of that original sin being committed, he's coming to save us.

01:16:58.000 And that's why it is sometimes referred to as a happy fault.

01:17:03.000 It's a very interesting thing.

01:17:04.000 We hear a lot of stories about Jesus and the travels, the things he did, but that's like watching a TV show.

01:17:11.000 You only get the highlights, right?

01:17:13.000 The Bible even says that.

01:17:15.000 We couldn't write down everything.

01:17:16.000 There are many other things that There are shows where it's just like you watch an episode then it's like three months later and something happens and there's stuff that happens in between.

01:17:24.000 What was like the daily life of Jesus?

01:17:26.000 Yeah, I think he went to India and learned Reiki and studied Hinduism and stuff.

01:17:30.000 I don't know, I'm saying like for you Seamus, who you are a faithful and a believer, what is written, what is known about like a regular day?

01:17:39.000 I think that there's so In terms of Christ's daily life, in part, you can just sort of look to historic context, how people lived in that part of the world.

01:17:48.000 I think there's good indication that he woke up early.

01:17:52.000 There's moments in scripture where he's... Oh man, I'm trying to remember the exact passage, and I can pull it up in a little bit.

01:17:59.000 Go fishing?

01:17:59.000 Well yeah, I mean, so the apostles were fishermen, and we actually get the idea that they weren't very good at it either, because they're not really catching fish, and then Christ helps them to.

01:18:10.000 So, you just look at daily life in that region and probably something like that.

01:18:16.000 I mean, he was telling people that he was the son of God and the response was, well, is this not Joseph the carpenter's son?

01:18:23.000 And so it's clear that it was a more ordinary life in some sense.

01:18:26.000 I think the most incredible things that we do in our life are done in the most quote-unquote insignificant moments to what we would perceive as significant or interesting.

01:18:37.000 It's the day-to-day little conversations you have, it's the boring in-betweens, and yes, they highlighted the interesting stuff in the Bible, but I think it's like when life slows down and you have meaningful conversations with people that have nothing to do with media, tweets, none of that, those are the real meaningful moments.

01:18:52.000 Also, by the way, I just found it.

01:18:53.000 It's in Mark chapter 1 where it mentions Jesus getting up early before the sunrise and going out to parade.

01:18:58.000 I just started getting up early.

01:18:59.000 It's life-changing.

01:19:00.000 It's crazy.

01:19:02.000 No, it's true.

01:19:03.000 Getting up earlier, and this is something I've always struggled with, especially someone running a business and then having this crazy upload schedule and having a bunch of random stuff thrown at me that I don't expect.

01:19:11.000 It has been hard to get a good consistent sleep schedule, but whenever I'm able to get up in the morning, I always have just a far better day.

01:19:18.000 I saw a meme video of this girl, she's like, I know I'm gonna sound horrible, I really hate to tell you this all, but waking up at 5am, going to the gym, eating a healthy smoothie, it actually does make you happier.

01:19:30.000 I know I sound awful, I know I'm disgusting, but it is better!

01:19:33.000 I did it for about one month and it was life-changing, and then I just fell back into sleep.

01:19:39.000 I know exactly what you mean, but then you remember and you go, that was so good for me.

01:19:43.000 And it's fascinating, right?

01:19:44.000 Because we live in a culture where you're never able to suggest that someone's miserable because of their own choices.

01:19:50.000 If I'm miserable, it's either because society has done something wrong to me or because my own existence is fundamentally corrupt.

01:19:55.000 There's just something wrong with my body.

01:19:57.000 do you think that there's nothing i can do to get past it but no it's all of the things that

01:20:02.000 everyone gets uh lambasted for saying will help your mental health will help your mental health

01:20:07.000 with of the exception of of course severely mentally ill people all caveats aside hey

01:20:10.000 man maybe even them you know yeah some early sunlight that you know what's weird though what

01:20:16.000 Why do you think sad music is so popular?

01:20:19.000 People like feeling emotion in general.

01:20:21.000 Because it makes you feel seen.

01:20:23.000 Yes, people like that smoking until 3am, listening to sad music that's emotional.

01:20:29.000 People actually get addicted to that feeling.

01:20:31.000 And the problem is, when you can feel it in a vacuum, as like a moment in time that's Processing an important emotion, it's a good thing, but when there's people that get addicted to that constantly and all they listen to is the depressing music, all they do is enter that world.

01:20:45.000 I've noticed this with algorithms on the computer.

01:20:48.000 If I have an algorithm that is constantly Politics talking about the end of the world or, you know, gender.

01:20:55.000 I've deliberately gone out and I've followed a bunch of feminist accounts to balance out all of the woman hatred on my timeline. 0.59

01:21:01.000 I want man hatred so that I can look at it all and see the absurdity of both sides together and be like, wow, this is like, I see this happening on both sides.

01:21:09.000 Clearly it's somewhere in the middle.

01:21:11.000 You guys are delusional, blaming each other.

01:21:13.000 Your environment, your friends, the people you talk to, They 100% impact you and people who think they can keep a sane, sober mind in an environment that is completely dripping with a bias, they're delusional.

01:21:25.000 You are probably in that cult right now and you don't know it.

01:21:30.000 I got notified of some drama just now from a couple hours ago.

01:21:33.000 I'm going to address it.

01:21:36.000 There's a viral edit of Jez Jennings' life, and talking about the things that have happened, and I responded to it with, where is Ron DeSantis?

01:21:45.000 This is all happening in Florida, question.

01:21:48.000 And we know that a lot of it, what's going on with Jez Jennings as a trans child, did not happen in Florida, but they do live in South Florida now, and have even expressed, I believe, they've talked about their fears about what's going on in Florida.

01:22:00.000 And I got a response from Christina Pasha and from Jeremy Uh, Redfern.

01:22:06.000 And these are both, this is, Jeremy is the Deputy Press Secretary for DeSantis, and Christina is the, um, uh, personal, uh, she's still the Press Secretary, I believe.

01:22:16.000 And so, uh, she said, uh, what did she say?

01:22:19.000 I regret to inform you that Jazz is 22 and the Governor doesn't have a time machine.

01:22:23.000 I'm not sure which state this picture just happened in, but if it was in Florida, Jazz was a minor before DeSantis was Governor.

01:22:29.000 And I just kind of feel like they're either completely ignorant over what we've talked about in the show and what's being addressed, Jeremy said, but how is it supposed to get outrage clicks?

01:22:36.000 Pretty sure that there are videos showing that Jazz is not willing to take a medical device and place it into a wound to separate it, and has been severely depressed, and the mother's saying it's your fault, and the mother's threatening to wring the neck of Jazz Jennings.

01:22:52.000 So, if they're currently living in South Florida, and when I say, like, what's going on?

01:22:57.000 Where is the DeSantis administration?

01:22:58.000 And your response is, he doesn't have a time machine! 1.00

01:23:00.000 Y'all can go fuck yourselves. 1.00

01:23:02.000 Because that's a pathetic response. 1.00

01:23:03.000 Very pathetic. 1.00

01:23:04.000 There you go. 1.00

01:23:05.000 Have a nice day.

01:23:05.000 My heart just goes right out to Jazz Jennings.

01:23:07.000 They're in South Florida.

01:23:10.000 Jazz is 22 and an adult.

01:23:12.000 But that doesn't change the fact that if somebody is being... If the mother goes on TV and says, if Jazz lets the wound close, I will wring her neck.

01:23:20.000 It's kind of like...

01:23:21.000 Do you do nothing?

01:23:22.000 Is there not even a statement to be made like we're concerned about this?

01:23:25.000 Just nothing?

01:23:25.000 Just you don't have a time machine?

01:23:27.000 Okay, great.

01:23:27.000 I'm real confident in your administration.

01:23:29.000 Well, there's so many factors there.

01:23:30.000 There's the one, like family, that's so much pressure, trying to appease your family, make sure they're happy.

01:23:35.000 They're the people you're going to be closest with your entire life.

01:23:37.000 And then two, once it's already done, once the surgery is already done.

01:23:40.000 Jazz Jennings has no choice right now but to double down, double down, double down, triple down.

01:23:45.000 And I don't know if there's any help at that point.

01:23:47.000 Like you said, you're right, it is a bit of a dismissive statement.

01:23:49.000 We don't have a time machine, but man, what a just horrific kerfuffle that no one can get out of.

01:23:56.000 My heart totally goes out to Jack.

01:23:58.000 It's mind-boggling to me that you could do that to someone and not end up in prison. 0.99

01:24:02.000 It's just, like, literally the most pathetic response. 0.92

01:24:05.000 And what little strength I saw in the DeSantis administration is gone. 0.93

01:24:11.000 Because we had the issue with Trump's extradition, and Ron DeSantis' response was, I'm not going to get involved.

01:24:18.000 And I'm like, bro, just say no.

01:24:19.000 You don't have to do anything other than be like, you're not extraditing him, he can choose to go, but I'm not going to let you do it.

01:24:26.000 And I was like, okay, but it's fine, because I think Ron's still a really great governor, and he still does speak out, he's doing a really, really good job.

01:24:32.000 But like, I think this, the reason they're really mad, I think the reason is press people are like, he doesn't have a time machine, is because they're impotent in the issue.

01:24:41.000 They will not go up against a TLC channel celebrity trans kid, despite the fact the mother is on TV saying, if you don't do this, I will do it.

01:24:51.000 Like, that's a threat of assault, to insert a medical device into someone who is an adult, who is saying no to it.

01:24:58.000 And their response is, Doesn't have a time machine? 1.00

01:25:00.000 You know what, man, that is just so fucking pathetic. 0.96

01:25:03.000 Like, the moment the show comes out, there should be a- the DeSantis administration should be like, we're putting our AG or our criminal investigative division, because they're gonna have footage from that show, and it looks like that's probable cause of a threat of force against an individual, you know, who's clearly- like, I'll put it this way, Jazz Jennings not doing the dilation indicates Jazz does not want to, right? 0.99

01:25:26.000 As an adult.

01:25:27.000 The mother then says, I've woken her up and said, if you don't stick this in you, I will. 0.76

01:25:32.000 And then later said, if she leaves and it closes, I will wring her neck. 0.97

01:25:36.000 At that point, should you be like, I think we should have a criminal investigation of potential abuse?

01:25:40.000 It sounds like coercive control, which is a type of inter-family violence.

01:25:44.000 But it's kind of like taking a medication that if, because if she doesn't dilate it, it'll seal up and she could die from infection.

01:25:50.000 Jeez, yeah, that's...

01:25:52.000 It's kind of like, I will make you stay alive.

01:25:54.000 So it's not really a threat of violence, although it is a kind of a... It is.

01:25:58.000 What was already done is obscenely violent.

01:26:02.000 But just like, you destroyed this person's body.

01:26:05.000 If an adult is taking a choice in and of themselves, and an individual then says, like, if an adult comes to another adult and says, if you do not do this thing, I will do it.

01:26:16.000 I will insert this into your body.

01:26:18.000 Like, I think at the very least right there, it warrants Yeah.

01:26:22.000 an inquiry of some sort. But more importantly, when she says to the camera, if it closes,

01:26:26.000 I will ring her neck. That combined with the other one implies there are threats of violence

01:26:32.000 against jazz to do this. And the the the administration could simply be like a woman 1.00

01:26:39.000 on television threatened said she will choke her child who is an adult if she does not insert a

01:26:46.000 medical device into was like a flippant statement. Yeah, I'm like.

01:26:49.000 Like, oh, I'll wring her neck. 0.97

01:26:51.000 Like, was it like that? 0.86

01:26:52.000 Or was it more like, I will literally wring her neck?

01:26:54.000 No, it was not an imminent threat of violence.

01:26:55.000 She said this.

01:26:56.000 She said, if Jazz goes to college and that thing seals up, I will wring her neck. 0.98

01:26:59.000 But was that like a... I can understand that being interpreted both ways, like... It is the combination of the two soundbites that I believe warrants at the very least... Well, I'm not defending the parents, don't get me wrong, but I'm just wondering how the police... But when she said it's a protected speech to say something like that, if you say on Tuesday at 4pm I'm going to wring the person's neck, that becomes an imminent threat of violence.

01:27:19.000 But I'm talking about the combination of these two statements.

01:27:22.000 The one, I wake Jazz up in the middle of the night and say, if you don't do this, I will.

01:27:26.000 You argue, well, it's a medical thing that has to be done.

01:27:28.000 That's creepy.

01:27:29.000 But then you add to it her saying, I will wring your neck. 1.00

01:27:32.000 Yes, we understand threatening to wring someone's neck may be a figure of speech, like, I will be very angry with you.

01:27:38.000 But she already said she wakes Jazz up and says, if you don't do this thing, I will do it to you.

01:27:44.000 Combine those two things, and now I think a reasonable... Here's what I think.

01:27:49.000 I think the Descendants administration is terrified to actually take a strong cultural stance on what appears to be severe, severe abuse stemming over a very long period of time.

01:27:59.000 But now this family lives in their jurisdiction and is currently engaged in questionable behaviors that I believe are abuse.

01:28:07.000 Maybe they're not fine.

01:28:09.000 I'm saying, at the bare minimum, there could be an inquiry, but they won't do it because they're scared.

01:28:14.000 The left will go nuts.

01:28:16.000 DeSantis will have no way to deal with the press.

01:28:20.000 I think, this shows me, and what my concern is with the DeSantis presidency, is that he will compromise, negotiate, and bend to the press.

01:28:29.000 He won't come out and just be like, that's horrible.

01:28:32.000 Donald Trump's the kind of guy that if he saw that clip on Tucker, he would immediately go out onto a stage and be like, what is this thing with this woman?

01:28:39.000 Did you see this?

01:28:40.000 She's saying she's going to stick the- oh my god!

01:28:43.000 Trump would just come out and start saying it.

01:28:45.000 A lot of this, I think, hinges on Jazz and what Jazz wants.

01:28:48.000 Because if Jazz goes to the authorities and is like, she won't leave me alone, she's forcing me, then I think there will be an inquiry.

01:28:54.000 But you know, when somebody is being manipulated like that their whole life, it's hard for that to happen, right?

01:29:04.000 She's probably under some psychological control or something.

01:29:09.000 What happens right now is the DeSantis administration sends a letter to the production company saying

01:29:13.000 it's in order to preserve video and evidence, then just says, we are going to issue a subpoena

01:29:19.000 as part of an investigation and we're going to look at this footage and see what's there,

01:29:23.000 and then start looking at the behind the scenes clips of what may be abuse.

01:29:28.000 And that's an inquiry that maybe stops and says, we think it's bad, but we don't think

01:29:33.000 it goes that far.

01:29:34.000 Instead, it's like, you don't have a time machine.

01:29:37.000 That's not an answer, dude.

01:29:38.000 Like, this stuff's still going on, the show is on the air.

01:29:40.000 This person is depressed, morbidly obese, didn't go to college, talks about severe mental health issues, and you have videos of the mother saying very, very awful things.

01:29:48.000 I think, like, if there's one thing government would do, it's like...

01:29:53.000 If there's a reason for law enforcement to exist, it is to prevent that from happening to a child.

01:29:59.000 But she's not a child.

01:30:00.000 I know, but no, I understand that they aren't anymore, but I'm saying the fact that that was able to happen in the first place is a tragedy.

01:30:06.000 But the age of majority in instances of familial abuse, you don't stop being protected by the law because you're an adult now.

01:30:13.000 A coercive relationship where you're being, like, if it was an adult woman, an adult man, and the man said to the woman something about sticking something inside her, and then later said he'd wring her neck, he'd be arrested in two seconds!

01:30:23.000 But she would have to be the one that came to the police and presented that.

01:30:27.000 Well, for a medical treatment.

01:30:27.000 Nope.

01:30:27.000 No?

01:30:28.000 Imagine this scenario.

01:30:29.000 Imagine this scenario.

01:30:30.000 A video emerges of a man saying, I wake my wife up in the middle of the night, I say, if you don't stick this thing, I will do it.

01:30:36.000 And then later says, like, if she goes out and she doesn't do it, I'm gonna wring her neck.

01:30:38.000 Because doesn't she have to be the one that presses charges? 0.89

01:30:41.000 No.

01:30:41.000 Are you sure?

01:30:43.000 So the state is the one that presses charges, not the individual.

01:30:45.000 Yeah, but I don't want big daddy government being like, ooh, you said a bad word, we're coming to get you.

01:30:49.000 No, I'm talking about a guy saying he's waking up a woman in the middle of the night and saying he's going to stick something in her.

01:30:55.000 Yeah, like a needle, like in a medical treatment.

01:30:56.000 Like some intravenous diabetes thing.

01:30:56.000 Anything.

01:30:58.000 And then later says, if she doesn't, I'm going to wring her neck.

01:31:00.000 If she doesn't take her insulin, I'm going to... That would result in the cops knocking on the door and saying, ma'am, we'd like to have a word with you. 1.00

01:31:07.000 Dude, I have seen guys get arrested for so much less.

01:31:11.000 There's a video of a woman hitting herself with a hammer and then her husband gets arrested.

01:31:15.000 Like, it is remarkably easy for a woman to call the cops and say, my husband threatened me, they show up in two seconds. 1.00

01:31:22.000 But she's the one who made the report.

01:31:24.000 Neighbors can call and say, I'm hearing a fight next door and the man's screaming and they will take the guy out of the house and say, go somewhere else for the night.

01:31:32.000 We have a video, we have decades of footage, we have all of these public statements from Jazz that are questionable, and then the mother saying these things on TV, and the DeSantis administration is like, well, we don't have a time machine, so... The best thing I think we can do is have compassion for Jazz, be here for Jazz, and let Jazz make the decision.

01:31:49.000 Anyone who has transitioned as a child, I have infinite sympathy for, infinite, because there's no way, like someone in that psychological state, you can, and you can never expect them to come out and say what was done to me was wrong because the amount of weight and like the pillars of salt and sand they're gonna have to undo for their entire vision of the world and their future, you know, that's accepting my future is over, who I am is over, my chance of having the family that I wanted, all of these things is over, That is such an overwhelming ask of someone. 0.96

01:32:19.000 All you can do is give them sympathy at this point in their life and maybe they can work through that eventually.

01:32:23.000 But holy, they have been so set up for failure, it's not even funny.

01:32:27.000 It's not a little bit funny.

01:32:27.000 I agree.

01:32:28.000 It's such an unbelievably difficult and strenuous uphill battle for that person to ever be capable of seeing the truth about what was done to them, the nature of Of who they are, the fact that their identity was taken from them rather than affirmed, the fact that they will never be able to have things that the rest of us just take for granted that we can have.

01:32:50.000 I mean, it's barbaric.

01:32:53.000 You'll have different things though, Jazz.

01:32:54.000 You'll have a different life than a lot of people but it'll still be pretty cool.

01:32:58.000 Yeah, there's no need to despair.

01:32:59.000 Beautiful soul in there.

01:33:01.000 I think it's important, like, when we discuss these things, we want to speak very clearly about how absolutely horrible this is, to deter people from doing this, to speak truth, to make clear what's happened, while also allowing people who have had this horror inflicted upon them to know that they need not despair.

01:33:01.000 Exactly.

01:33:23.000 They can still have a good, a very beautiful and wonderful and important part of life has been taken from you, but that does not mean your life doesn't have meaning, and that does not mean you can't have a good life.

01:33:36.000 Something beautiful was stolen from you, but that does not mean that you need to despair and that there will not be good things in your life.

01:33:41.000 Yeah, there could be hundreds of millions of kids that feel out of their body right now, Jazz, that you're speaking to, that you could guide through life and help them you know, reduce pain. I mean, that's just ease the pain

01:33:55.000 and suffering of young people and adults even that are going through it. You're in a position of

01:34:00.000 power and really importance right now.

01:34:01.000 The response I'm getting from the DeSantis people is just like false arguments, sophistry,

01:34:06.000 and deflection. Jazz is an adult and DeSantis has banned gender surgeries so that people won't

01:34:11.000 grow up with the same pain and regret.

01:34:12.000 I said, it's happening now.

01:34:14.000 Did you even watch the video?

01:34:15.000 Are people allowed to force medical devices into adults against their will in Florida?

01:34:19.000 Apparently, the answer is yes.

01:34:20.000 Apparently, the answer is right now, if you're in Florida and you have an adult child and you say, if you don't stick this in you, I'll do it, and then later saying publicly, I will wring their neck if they don't, that's totally fine, not questionable in any way.

01:34:33.000 So, okay, Florida.

01:34:34.000 I don't know.

01:34:36.000 If the mom was to be charged, who would bring the charges? 0.98

01:34:41.000 The state always brings the charges.

01:34:41.000 The state.

01:34:43.000 And that's the prosecutor, right?

01:34:44.000 Yeah, people make the mistake of thinking that an individual pressing charges is the one bringing the charges.

01:34:49.000 They're not.

01:34:50.000 So, in fact, there's many circumstances where a person, let's say you're like walking down the street and a guy comes up to you and shoves you and a cop watches it.

01:34:58.000 You can say, Officer, I don't want to press charges.

01:35:01.000 Typically, the cop will say, OK.

01:35:03.000 But for two reasons.

01:35:03.000 Sure.

01:35:05.000 One, it's easier just to say fine.

01:35:06.000 And two, without a complaining witness, there's almost no case.

01:35:10.000 However, if the cop watches it happen, he can say, Buddy, I don't need you.

01:35:14.000 I witnessed it.

01:35:15.000 I'm taking the report.

01:35:16.000 Sir, you're under arrest.

01:35:17.000 And Mirandizing is only a part of an investigation.

01:35:20.000 So I love these videos of leftists being like, I have not been read my rights.

01:35:24.000 They're not.

01:35:25.000 Cops don't have to read you your rights if they know you committed the crime.

01:35:29.000 Can you go and retroactively enforce a law that was passed after the actual... No, and you shouldn't be able to, but I'm not talking about that.

01:35:36.000 See, what they're doing right now is they're conflating that Jazz went through these surgeries, therefore I'm insisting they use a law retroactively.

01:35:44.000 I'm literally talking about a video that came out of them in Florida and the mother saying, if you don't do this, I will, and if you don't, I'll wring your neck.

01:35:51.000 I can tell you, dude, if there's a video of Jazz being like, No, stop!

01:35:54.000 Stop! 1.00

01:35:55.000 And the mom coming at her and putting something inside her body, then she'll have to knock on the door from the authorities. 0.99

01:36:01.000 So my point is, if I hear fighting next door, and I call the police and say, I hear a man and woman fighting, they will show up and at least knock on the door and say, can we speak to you alone?

01:36:10.000 I did that once.

01:36:11.000 And the cops will separate the man and the woman and say, what's going on?

01:36:14.000 Here we have a video of the mother saying, if you don't do... I have woken Jess up in the middle of the night and I have said, I've taken the dilator and lubricated it and said, if you don't stick this in your vagina, And then she goes on. 1.00

01:36:23.000 I'm not going to repeat what she said. 0.98

01:36:24.000 And I'm like, that right there should warrant a knock on the door.

01:36:28.000 And their response is, well, we don't have a time machine.

01:36:31.000 You know what, man?

01:36:32.000 Sure.

01:36:33.000 Let's go to Super Chats and we'll see what y'all have to say.

01:36:36.000 Can I throw a social hand grenade in quickly?

01:36:39.000 Yeah, please.

01:36:40.000 So you have kind of the right-wing side.

01:36:43.000 This is actually a Stone Toss meme, I think.

01:36:44.000 They talk a lot about how we need to make it illegal for child sex transitions and genital mutilation.

01:36:50.000 Do you guys think that genital mutilation against men as children in the form of circumcision should be legal?

01:36:56.000 No, I don't think so.

01:36:57.000 I don't think that those two things are equivalent, but I don't think it should be legal, no.

01:37:01.000 It happened to me, and I never really suffered, so I don't really care.

01:37:06.000 Uh, so the issue is, I think it results in, like, removing 70% or whatever of nerve endings.

01:37:12.000 So I think... No complaints, I can say.

01:37:15.000 Plenty of nerve endings.

01:37:16.000 Good point.

01:37:17.000 I want to understand the way— Good point.

01:37:21.000 And also no one—so, well, there's a couple different important points to make about this.

01:37:27.000 So again, while I do not believe that circumcision is at all equivalent to what they're doing to children now with these quote-unquote transitions, I still am very against it.

01:37:36.000 I don't think it should be legal.

01:37:38.000 And also...

01:37:40.000 The kinds of medical circumcisions that are done today, from what I understand, are very different from the ones that were done in the Bible, too.

01:37:45.000 Now, again, the circumcisions that the New Testament makes clear are not required.

01:37:49.000 We're supposed to have a circumcision of the heart, but even so, people will start talking about, like, Jewish communities.

01:37:55.000 Even then, that's not the kind of circumcision where you remove all of it, from what I understand.

01:37:59.000 Those were, like, done by necessity.

01:38:01.000 The way it's done now is very different.

01:38:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:03.000 Back then it would be, like, if you get infected, so they would have to clean it.

01:38:06.000 We gotta go to Super Chats.

01:38:07.000 If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, become a member.

01:38:11.000 Let's read.

01:38:13.000 Brett Tesdahl says, Tim, as I write this, you're getting a shout-out for your show last night on the Mark Levin Show.

01:38:18.000 Oh, cool.

01:38:19.000 That was a great show last night.

01:38:20.000 Very cool.

01:38:22.000 Tiffany Garrison says, Hi Tim, I checked and your crochet Roberto Jr.

01:38:25.000 arrived today.

01:38:26.000 My teens and I loved making him for you.

01:38:28.000 Trying to get these teens off their phones.

01:38:30.000 If you want more for the store, let us know.

01:38:32.000 We will check it out.

01:38:33.000 We'll go pick it up.

01:38:37.000 Amos Moses says, Look into the story about two guys facing life in prison for engraving Schematic of an NFA item on a metal business card.

01:38:47.000 The ATF even had difficulty using the schematic to create a full-auto rifle with a couple of failed attempts.

01:38:51.000 Okay, so I think of an... What do you say?

01:38:55.000 Engraving a schematic of an NFA item.

01:38:56.000 Yeah, okay.

01:38:58.000 Yes, it's a metal card with a drawing on it, and if you cut it out, it makes a component that can be used in a weapon, and they've criminally charged these guys.

01:39:05.000 It's crazy.

01:39:07.000 Flufferboy says, Ian, I love you.

01:39:08.000 You're a beautiful human.

01:39:10.000 I love your name, Flufferboy.

01:39:13.000 All right, we'll grab some more Super Chats.

01:39:14.000 Let's scroll down and see what we got.

01:39:16.000 Bo Rai Cho says, yo, that show was lit last night.

01:39:19.000 Yeah.

01:39:20.000 Shout out to Lance.

01:39:22.000 Thanks for coming down, man.

01:39:23.000 12 hour journey, bro.

01:39:24.000 Of course, now the response from the left is that Lance was not the right person for the debate.

01:39:31.000 Yeah, I don't think we won't really debate.

01:39:32.000 I don't know.

01:39:33.000 I didn't expect a debate.

01:39:35.000 It was cool to talk about, you know, Vastly different.

01:39:38.000 There's always a debate because what happens every time a lefty comes on the show is before the show starts they say something that's just absolutely untrue and then there's like nothing that can be done.

01:39:48.000 I can't just sit here and be like oh okay that's fine.

01:39:51.000 The funny thing is we're talking like dude if we were talking about the banking industry we would have just been agreeing all night.

01:39:55.000 So the issue is like, hey, there's a video showing people in Canada being dragged out of their homes during COVID lockdowns.

01:40:00.000 No, that never happened.

01:40:01.000 I'm like, there's videos of it.

01:40:03.000 It's like, I can't just say like, you're right, it never happened, even though I've seen the videos.

01:40:06.000 Like, they just say things that aren't true.

01:40:08.000 And then I'm like, okay, well, there are videos, I'll pull them up.

01:40:11.000 And then the other issue is like, When it comes to studies, it's all selective.

01:40:16.000 So one of the big contentious moments was there are two peer-reviewed studies about desistance being 61 to 98 percent, and he says, I reject those because a meta-analysis of 51 studies says otherwise, but like a meta-analysis is not a peer-reviewed study.

01:40:31.000 It did not go through science.

01:40:32.000 It is the opinion of researchers who read other opinions.

01:40:35.000 There were 55 studies analyzed, 52 or 3 of them had some result.

01:40:40.000 No one can lie like someone who can talk about numbers.

01:40:42.000 You look at all the studies that came out that were highlighted in the New York Times, Atlantic, everything, talking about how illegal immigrants commit less crime, and then sure enough, you have an analysis done of those studies, and they don't usually register illegal immigrants as such until they're in prison, and then they get their status.

01:40:58.000 So when you're using the data based off just arrest, it's like, duh, you're not going to be getting anything.

01:41:03.000 I'm no longer persuaded by studies.

01:41:05.000 I know, I know. 1.00

01:41:06.000 It's probably bullshit. 0.98

01:41:08.000 You have to look at the methodology of the study. 0.99

01:41:10.000 I'm not going to read all that.

01:41:11.000 Oh yeah, how many people were studied?

01:41:14.000 One of the most effective ways to use studies when you work in politics is to know your opponent's studies so you can know exactly why they're nonsense.

01:41:24.000 Well, if someone wants to do all that research, all power to them.

01:41:27.000 Let's read some more.

01:41:28.000 I don't get into polls anymore.

01:41:29.000 All right, Coldilocks Production says, just correcting you from two days ago, Iron Dome has been tested against both Scud, Mach 5 and 6 ballistic missiles, and low-alt subsonic cruise missiles, and has been successful.

01:41:41.000 The rockets fired by Hamas are smaller than drones.

01:41:43.000 It can stop, uh, what does it say?

01:41:45.000 It says it can drone swarms.

01:41:47.000 So it stopped drone swarms, I believe.

01:41:49.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:41:50.000 says Batman has no superpowers, but he's a superhero.

01:41:52.000 Yes, he actually does.

01:41:53.000 It's called peak human.

01:41:55.000 That's the phrase in comic books when a person has seemingly absurd powers that they say aren't powers.

01:42:04.000 So, for instance, Batman can teleport when he's in a bank vault with one exit, and then the guy turns around, and then he turns around, Batman's gone!

01:42:13.000 And it's like, he has no... Okay, come on.

01:42:15.000 Is that like Daredevil?

01:42:15.000 It's called being rich.

01:42:16.000 He bank-transferred the guy who was guarding the bank and he's like, sick.

01:42:20.000 Well, it'll be like, he'll be in a room and the guy will be talking and then turn around and look at something.

01:42:24.000 When he turns back, Batman's gone.

01:42:26.000 That's not possible in the real world.

01:42:28.000 Is Daredevil peak human?

01:42:30.000 Daredevil actually has superpowers.

01:42:30.000 It's movie magic.

01:42:32.000 He's like a bat.

01:42:34.000 What's Daredevil's power?

01:42:36.000 He got splashed in the face with a chemical that took away his eyes but amplified his senses beyond human hypersensitivity.

01:42:43.000 Hypersenses, and so he can see like sonar in 360 degrees.

01:42:46.000 That's awesome.

01:42:47.000 Did they make a Moon Knight movie?

01:42:49.000 They made a show, and they just ruined Moon Knight. 1.00

01:42:53.000 I used to read that one when I was younger, but I never watched the show.

01:42:56.000 But that was like Marvel's Batman, right?

01:42:59.000 Yeah.

01:42:59.000 And now it's actually just an Egyptian superhero who's got mummy powers.

01:43:03.000 Mummy powers.

01:43:04.000 Yeah, so like Moon Knight was just a rich guy in a suit who was kind of like Batman, but a little crazier.

01:43:09.000 And then Moon Knight the show is about a guy who is crazy, but has the ability to summon the power of the Egyptian gods.

01:43:14.000 And then, you know, whatever.

01:43:16.000 It was an okay show, I guess.

01:43:20.000 Hequibus says, what about kids in the hall?

01:43:22.000 Come on, Lauren. 1.00

01:43:23.000 Kids in the hall was legit.

01:43:23.000 Canada.

01:43:25.000 What's kids in the hall?

01:43:26.000 It's like a sketch comedy show.

01:43:28.000 Dave, what's Dave's last name?

01:43:30.000 Is this a Canadian thing?

01:43:32.000 Am I like, oh-oh?

01:43:33.000 The guy with the lettuce head?

01:43:35.000 That was a funny skit.

01:43:37.000 There's a funny skit where these two guys are like looking at their neighbor's gazebo.

01:43:40.000 And so then they lift it up and steal it.

01:43:42.000 And then she comes out and there's like a hole in her yard where the gazebo was.

01:43:46.000 And she sees them in the yard partying.

01:43:47.000 So she calls the cops. 0.97

01:43:48.000 And then the cops are like, where did you get this gazebo?

01:43:51.000 And they're like, we bought it from our friend.

01:43:52.000 And like, where?

01:43:53.000 And it's like, they go to an abandoned house, and they like, throw a rock at the window, and this crazy guy looks out, and the cops are like, excuse me, sir, did you sell these boys a gazebo?

01:44:01.000 And he's like, no, no.

01:44:02.000 And they're like, you may not remember us, the gazebo?

01:44:05.000 And he's like, do you sell these boys anything?

01:44:07.000 And then he's like, the gazebo?

01:44:08.000 And then I think it's, um... Dave Foley?

01:44:10.000 Dave Foley.

01:44:11.000 He's like, I did sell these boys a gazebo!

01:44:15.000 And then, you know, it's a funny skit.

01:44:16.000 You gotta see it.

01:44:17.000 I feel like I've lost my Canadian card.

01:44:19.000 Old school funny.

01:44:20.000 Yeah, 1984.

01:44:20.000 I did see a horde of moose the other day, so.

01:44:23.000 Really?

01:44:23.000 A whole horde of them.

01:44:24.000 I did actually.

01:44:24.000 A whole horde.

01:44:24.000 There were like ten.

01:44:25.000 Wow.

01:44:26.000 And then I was like so fascinated with them I didn't take a picture, so clearly I'm lying if you don't.

01:44:31.000 Nothing exists if you didn't film it.

01:44:33.000 I love mooses.

01:44:34.000 Jeffrey Rook says, well if she's doing meth, CPS should get involved because she's trying to kill the chat.

01:44:39.000 But I mean, meth is illegal, so.

01:44:41.000 Guy last night was pretty smart, but always defaulted to default narrative.

01:44:44.000 Have $50 for YouTube clipping that delicious moment.

01:44:47.000 I couldn't believe that he actually said that.

01:44:49.000 That's not what I expected him to say.

01:44:51.000 Said what?

01:44:53.000 So, Seamus said, a woman can do whatever she wants to the baby if it's inside her. 0.54

01:44:57.000 He said, no, but it's her body, so she can choose. 1.00

01:45:00.000 And I said, what about meth?

01:45:02.000 And then he said, well, Child Protective Services could get involved.

01:45:05.000 And I said, you know, why?

01:45:07.000 And he was like, because then she's just trying to intentionally kill the child.

01:45:11.000 And I was like, wait a minute.

01:45:13.000 What?

01:45:13.000 I don't understand what you're saying.

01:45:16.000 You think she's allowed to terminate the life of the baby with a doctor, but she can't do anything that would intentionally interminate the life of the baby? 0.98

01:45:24.000 Makes no sense.

01:45:24.000 It's like its own special trolley question.

01:45:26.000 Like, if you pull the lever, then it'll die via meth.

01:45:31.000 It wasn't a trick question.

01:45:32.000 It wasn't a trick question.

01:45:35.000 I thought his response was going to be something like, oh come on, like meth isn't a medically necessary procedure about making the decision of whether or not you're going to have a child.

01:45:44.000 It is an abusive drug that causes damage to your body and won't even necessarily kill the child.

01:45:48.000 It could just cause serious injury and harm to both you and the child.

01:45:50.000 There's a big difference.

01:45:52.000 I thought he was going to say something like that because it was not a trick question.

01:45:55.000 I was like, Trying to see where he would draw the lines morally.

01:45:57.000 Instead, he just outright said, you can't intentionally kill the child.

01:46:00.000 And I'm like, wait, what?

01:46:01.000 See, this is why you should just have a show where you like quickly run across the table and dress up in a different costume and debate yourself as a leftist.

01:46:07.000 It's like playing chess against yourself.

01:46:09.000 I can argue their position is better than them.

01:46:12.000 Colt Worathe says, Tim, I have been looking into the Nephilim for years.

01:46:15.000 Please have on Deer and Sharon Gilbert to cover this topic for you.

01:46:19.000 They are not Sethites.

01:46:20.000 It's Derek.

01:46:21.000 Derek Gilbert.

01:46:22.000 Oh, Derek?

01:46:22.000 He's a good guy.

01:46:24.000 They are not Sethites, and there are threads that run all through the Bible.

01:46:28.000 So, one recommendation I can make, too, and I've shouted him out on this show before, but I think Jimmy Akin would be a very interesting guest for any religious discussion, especially about these matters.

01:46:40.000 He has a podcast called Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World, where he goes into a bunch of weird conspiracy theories and stuff, but from a Catholic perspective.

01:46:48.000 A Catholic convert.

01:46:48.000 Chris Placek, in the regular chat, said, Tim's wrong about Moon Knight.

01:46:51.000 It's always been about the Egyptian gods, but you can never tell if it's real or he's crazy.

01:46:56.000 Oh, there you go, cool.

01:46:56.000 Oh, like American Psycho.

01:46:59.000 Never saw it.

01:47:00.000 That's Christian Bale?

01:47:02.000 I like to see where he's stretching.

01:47:03.000 You can't tell in the entire movie if he's having a hallucination or if he's actually done all these things.

01:47:07.000 You can't tell if his actions are good or bad?

01:47:10.000 That too!

01:47:12.000 That's the point of the film!

01:47:14.000 I've actually never seen it.

01:47:16.000 Trevor Lynch says the Nephilim are spoken about and alluded to all over the Bible.

01:47:21.000 That's what the conquests of Joshua was about, clearing the Rephaim, giant Nephilim clans from the land. 1.00

01:47:27.000 Also, one Peter and Jude is referenced.

01:47:29.000 I wonder if they were the Denisovans.

01:47:31.000 You know that other hominid? 1.00

01:47:33.000 Yeah, I don't think so, but yeah, that's interesting.

01:47:36.000 Like an ancient hominid that wasn't a homo sapien?

01:47:38.000 Yeah, I think Hancock talks about the, uh, whatever you say.

01:47:42.000 Denisovans? 1.00

01:47:42.000 They're like Himalayan. 1.00

01:47:44.000 They're like up in North Asia. 1.00

01:47:46.000 I love that conversation people have about, like, why the uncanny valley exists.

01:47:50.000 Like, why humans are afraid of things that look like them but aren't quite them.

01:47:54.000 And it's like, well, clearly we evolved to have this reaction because there was something on earth that was our mortal or physical enemy.

01:48:01.000 Neanderthals.

01:48:02.000 Or looked like us but wasn't quite Lauren, I have another explanation.

01:48:05.000 Juice bumps, man.

01:48:06.000 What if it's because we as humans are more than pure machinations, and even if you get something that's identical to us in terms of appearance, we know there's no soul?

01:48:16.000 I hope so, because A.I.

01:48:18.000 is coming.

01:48:18.000 A.I.

01:48:19.000 Yeah.

01:48:20.000 Yeah, I'm racist against robots, for sure.

01:48:22.000 All I will say is, stay human.

01:48:24.000 Yeah.

01:48:24.000 Stay human.

01:48:25.000 Keep your distance from my biopic.

01:48:30.000 Andrew G says, solving last night proportional response debate, in every jurisdiction in USA a threat of deadly force is treated the same as actual deadly force.

01:48:39.000 Yes.

01:48:41.000 Just gotta adhere to the eyewitnesses.

01:48:43.000 Rusta says, I can answer this now.

01:48:45.000 God granted us free will because without free will we cannot truly love.

01:48:49.000 God created us for love, and without the possibility to reject God's love, it would not have been true love.

01:48:53.000 Amen.

01:48:53.000 You know, it's kind of cliche, but love really is the main theme of Scripture, really.

01:49:01.000 It transcends everything.

01:49:02.000 The Greeks have it broken down into eight different types.

01:49:04.000 Yeah, there are different types.

01:49:06.000 Erotic love, there's familial love, love of friendship, you know.

01:49:10.000 JN says, the reason for the tree of knowledge of good and evil is since Adam and Eve were created in a perfect world and in order to exercise free choice, you need at least one option that is opposite from everything else, which was good.

01:49:20.000 Also, that same tree was a form of the law.

01:49:25.000 I think that's an interesting interpretation.

01:49:26.000 Well, that's similar to what I think you guys were saying.

01:49:29.000 I think that everything's perfect, but you're given the option to do the opposite.

01:49:35.000 Otherwise, you're not really good if there's no chance to not be good.

01:49:38.000 You're basically a robot at that point.

01:49:39.000 In the Garden of Evil, they said God was there.

01:49:41.000 If it was actually a dude that was speaking as God, and then over time, as the people die and other people are born, they become the God of the time, and they're like, now I am God.

01:49:51.000 And as the story's written, it's always about God, but it happens to be whoever that human was at that time.

01:49:55.000 Kind of like the Matrix in number six.

01:49:58.000 This is one thing that disturbs me about the garden story.

01:50:01.000 I've been reading C.S.

01:50:02.000 Lewis' The Weight of Glory lately, and at the beginning he talks about the idea that a lot of sin and a lot of, you know, the depths of humanity that people get to, they usually are pursuing them because they're trying to fill something in themselves.

01:50:13.000 They've got this intimation of deprival and they're just exercising it in the wrong ways.

01:50:18.000 They really want to find that wholeness.

01:50:19.000 They want to be loved.

01:50:20.000 So they go to, they do a bunch of drugs, orgies, this, that, because they're trying to fill a hole in themselves.

01:50:25.000 And then I wonder what And that makes sense to me.

01:50:28.000 We've all got this longing for something outside of ourselves.

01:50:31.000 But what hole in themselves were the people in the garden trying to fill?

01:50:35.000 That's an interesting question.

01:50:39.000 It's a very interesting question.

01:50:40.000 I mean, how does he temper?

01:50:41.000 You will be like God.

01:50:43.000 There's an argument to be made.

01:50:45.000 Because there was an original sin, there wasn't necessarily a hole to fill, but they still chose to do wrong.

01:50:50.000 Apparently God knew dudes with flaming swords, and maybe they wanted one of those. 1.00

01:50:54.000 I also think that part of that, too, is with this idea of the angel with the flaming sword not being able to return.

01:51:00.000 We'll never have paradise on earth, right?

01:51:02.000 That's just not possible for us, I guess, until the Azkatan, when God recreates the world. 0.77

01:51:06.000 But none of our ideologies, none of our attempts to create heaven on earth are ever going to be successful.

01:51:10.000 We have left the garden.

01:51:12.000 We got some trouble.

01:51:13.000 Deuce Bigelow says, Tim, did you see Christina Pishaw and Jeremy Redfern take you to task over your unreasonable standards for DeSantis?

01:51:20.000 You should have those two on to address them.

01:51:21.000 You know what?

01:51:21.000 Nope.

01:51:22.000 I'm gonna totally concede the argument outright.

01:51:25.000 I surrender.

01:51:26.000 If you're on camera saying that you have to wake up someone to threaten to stick a medical device into a neo-vagina, and that if they don't do it, you'll wring their neck, in Florida, that is okay. 0.90

01:51:38.000 And if there's nothing they can do about it, I accept that's Florida's current standard and that there's no action that will be taken.

01:51:45.000 If there's one thing I really hate... End of story.

01:51:46.000 If there's one thing I really hate about this whole, like, it's Trump versus DeSantis thing, it's like, you know, you have this issue and, you know, there's a real soul that, you know, that is now suffering in this story, but they don't care.

01:52:00.000 It's about, how does this, you know...

01:52:03.000 Is this pro-DeSantis?

01:52:04.000 Or is this pro-Trump?

01:52:05.000 And, you know, how does it benefit my guy?

01:52:07.000 Like, it's just this brainless civil war almost.

01:52:12.000 And it's just, it's so boring too.

01:52:13.000 Like, it's just, I don't know.

01:52:16.000 I don't like how that...

01:52:18.000 is going right now.

01:52:19.000 I do not care about Trump vs. DeSantis at all.

01:52:22.000 I don't care.

01:52:23.000 I actually have both terms muted on my timeline right now on Twitter.

01:52:26.000 I just don't want to see it.

01:52:26.000 Trump vs. DeSantis.

01:52:27.000 But yeah, it's about jazz.

01:52:28.000 It's about what is right to be done for them.

01:52:30.000 Well, no, no, no.

01:52:31.000 I'll say it.

01:52:32.000 If in the state of Florida there is no action that they can take, if a person's on camera saying they wake a person up in the middle of the night and say, if you don't stick this in you, I will do it, and that if they don't do it, you'll wring their neck, if that is not a standard by which law enforcement can take any action, Well, that's unfortunate, I guess.

01:52:47.000 We should reach out to Christina Pasha.

01:52:49.000 That'd be fire episode.

01:52:52.000 I'm pretty sure... I think we've both invited both of them many times.

01:52:57.000 Good publicity for all.

01:52:59.000 Let's do it.

01:53:00.000 That would be good, I think.

01:53:01.000 Yeah.

01:53:01.000 Well, if you really think it's an unrealistic standard, give them a platform to say why.

01:53:06.000 Yeah, I would love for them to come and explain why it is that DeSantis cannot take any action in that regard when this person is saying this.

01:53:12.000 Because I'm not talking about the surgery that happened, you know, five years ago out of state.

01:53:18.000 I'm talking about the video right now showing that this stuff currently happens in South Florida.

01:53:23.000 I think you've got evidence that Jazz is severely depressed.

01:53:26.000 You've got reason to believe that this is the cause of it.

01:53:29.000 The mother on camera saying, you are your own worst enemy.

01:53:32.000 It's your fault.

01:53:33.000 I'm like, these are all very clear signs of abuse.

01:53:36.000 Which, like, I think in any other circumstance, they would have law enforcement on.

01:53:40.000 Here, let me read this one.

01:53:41.000 This is from Matthew Roos says, the man can be bleeding from the wife attacking him and the police will take him.

01:53:47.000 Right.

01:53:47.000 There's a viral video where they have a guy and a woman walk down the street and the man screams at the woman and is pushing her and everyone runs up and shoves him and says, you back off.

01:53:56.000 Then they inverted it and have the woman literally striking the man and everyone laughs at him. 0.71

01:54:00.000 Yeah.

01:54:01.000 It's a real thing.

01:54:02.000 Yeah.

01:54:04.000 All right.

01:54:04.000 We'll read some more.

01:54:06.000 Robert Betchman says, I'm going to Japan next week for my first work installation as an electrical engineer.

01:54:10.000 Please pray for me or at least wish me luck.

01:54:12.000 P.S.

01:54:13.000 Great job last night.

01:54:14.000 Well, good luck.

01:54:15.000 Thank you very much.

01:54:15.000 I got you.

01:54:18.000 Where we at?

01:54:21.000 Lunderwear says you should make a high-caffeine light roast and call it Focus with Bocus.

01:54:25.000 That's a really good idea.

01:54:27.000 And we got people very smart watching this show.

01:54:31.000 Yeah, okay.

01:54:33.000 And KM says, hey Tim, really enjoyed the Culture War episode today, it was really funny.

01:54:37.000 That was me, Seamus, and Lauren!

01:54:38.000 And here we are again, doing another show.

01:54:40.000 Yeah, it was a fun episode, go watch it.

01:54:42.000 It's a fun time over there.

01:54:43.000 YouTube.com slash Timcast.

01:54:44.000 That's right.

01:54:45.000 Went up today, and it's more of just like a loose conversation about a whole bunch of different stuff.

01:54:50.000 Very fun.

01:54:52.000 Nathan C says, the irony is Tim is mad at DeSantis over jazz, but DeSantis is the only governor in office fighting back against transgenderism with real policy.

01:54:59.000 So, I didn't come out and say Ron DeSantis is a bad guy for not doing it.

01:55:03.000 I didn't come out and say, I hate Ron DeSantis.

01:55:06.000 I said, where is Ron DeSantis?

01:55:08.000 This stuff is happening in Florida?

01:55:10.000 And instead of being like, hey Tim, glad you're concerned, here's all the things that Ron DeSantis is doing, we'll take these into consideration and we'll talk about it, they came out like, well it's too bad we don't have a time machine!

01:55:21.000 And then I started having all of these pro-DeSantis people started like crapping all over him like, dude, I don't think you guys have standards.

01:55:29.000 It's a purity test and you failed it.

01:55:31.000 Oh, I don't care though.

01:55:32.000 Like, you know, the irony is that I'm mad at DeSantis.

01:55:35.000 When did I say I was mad at DeSantis?

01:55:37.000 I am criticizing the response from his PR team, who turned this into something that it probably should not have been.

01:55:43.000 They probably should have responded with, Ron DeSantis is doing these things to stop this stuff from happening.

01:55:48.000 And that's all that would have happened.

01:55:50.000 I think all I literally tweeted was, where is Ron DeSantis?

01:55:53.000 Right?

01:55:55.000 Where is Ron DeSantis?

01:55:56.000 This is all happening in Florida?

01:55:58.000 Because they currently live in South Florida.

01:56:01.000 I think the issue is it's a sore spot because they're not taking action and it makes them look bad.

01:56:06.000 But you know, like I said, look, okay, I concede.

01:56:09.000 If that's the kind of stuff that is allowed in Florida, then that's what is currently allowed in Florida.

01:56:14.000 It is a very tough decision socially right now.

01:56:16.000 That's a big part of why I want to develop further the conversation.

01:56:19.000 I don't think so.

01:56:20.000 I think like I mentioned, if you hear a man and a woman yelling and call the police, the

01:56:24.000 police will show up in two seconds without the woman saying anything. 1.00

01:56:28.000 And sometimes the cops will even tell the woman it doesn't matter.

01:56:32.000 We're taking the husband out because we are concerned.

01:56:34.000 Like there are many instances where the woman will answer the door and say everything's 0.99

01:56:37.000 fine.

01:56:38.000 Please leave.

01:56:39.000 And the cops will say no.

01:56:40.000 You know, so like, I don't know if that's entirely the case.

01:56:42.000 It probably depends on where you live. Absolutely in the United States women will answer the door and the cops are 1.00

01:56:47.000 like can we have you?

01:56:47.000 Come out and speak in private She'll say no and they will still say ma'am you have to

01:56:50.000 come outside Because often when women are being battered they tell the

01:56:54.000 cops to leave So some often the cops will say we are not going to leave

01:56:57.000 until we do an interview because there's a problem I guess I listen to a lot of true crime and like the main

01:57:02.000 gripe with the true crime youtubers is they always say like all the police were

01:57:05.000 called to the residents like eight times and they just walked away and never went

01:57:09.000 In and he had a check on that's like always the gripe in all of these like murder and of course that happens

01:57:13.000 You have to watch a story about a murder, right?

01:57:15.000 Yeah.

01:57:16.000 So the reason why sometimes cops will not take no for an answer, they'll say, we have received an emergency call giving us probable cause to enter the home.

01:57:24.000 Ma'am, step out of the house. 1.00

01:57:26.000 And then they'll check her for injury or whatever.

01:57:28.000 Often they'll just say, okay, we're sorry to bother you.

01:57:29.000 Have a nice day.

01:57:30.000 Sometimes they'll say to the guy, we're concerned something's going on.

01:57:33.000 Why don't you leave and come back later?

01:57:35.000 Sometimes it's really bad and they just arrest the guy because the neighbor made the accusation and they're like, better to have him spend the night in jail.

01:57:42.000 I guess I'm from Canada where it's like all the person's on their ninth probation and they just like assaulted someone again and the cops won't come.

01:57:51.000 That could be where we're going.

01:57:55.000 You actually have a low credit score if you don't have a criminal record.

01:57:58.000 Here's what I think.

01:58:00.000 Is it unreasonable of me to say that following those clips, a state police officer would knock on the door and say, can I speak with you in private?

01:58:07.000 Is that unreasonable?

01:58:08.000 The issue is, I don't think it is, but the issue is, if that were to happen, the entire national media would go after Ron DeSantis as it appears he's preparing for a presidential run and he doesn't want the heat.

01:58:19.000 I think if jazz wanted it, it would be completely reasonable for other people to want it for them.

01:58:25.000 They're both adults.

01:58:26.000 So I'm like people, people who are being abused by their husband, like women being abused by their husbands, stay with them often, right? 0.54

01:58:34.000 It does happen.

01:58:35.000 It does.

01:58:37.000 What are you going to do? Sometimes the cops will be like, I'm sorry, you got to catch him in the

01:58:40.000 act. And there are many circumstances in many jurisdictions where the cops are like, there's

01:58:44.000 nothing we can do because the woman is not speaking up and speaking out about this guy. 0.94

01:58:48.000 And then, like you said, the ninth time and then the murder happens.

01:58:50.000 Like there was a case, um, it was such a sad one. There was an Asian university student. I can't 1.00

01:58:57.000 remember his name. I wish I could. But his dad had like threatened to kill his mom like a billion

01:59:01.000 times. A lot of people in the chat probably remember this.

01:59:04.000 And then eventually his dad had like made the explicit, I'm going to kill your mom like 0.96

01:59:07.000 this week. And he went home and killed his dad before he could. And he. 0.96

01:59:11.000 He eventually, he actually, the jury let him go the first time and then they were able

01:59:15.000 to get him on a legal weapon possession charges later and send him to jail for like the rest

01:59:20.000 of his life or whatever.

01:59:21.000 But it was like there were so many explicit threats.

01:59:23.000 The police have been called a million times and they did nothing.

01:59:26.000 I'm going to read this one from Josh Berg.

01:59:28.000 We'll do, uh, we'll do one more.

01:59:30.000 The craziest thing Lance said was when he tried to shame you about another person's sensations. 0.96

01:59:35.000 Then at the end he said, I want more freedom, more people, and more orgasms. 0.78

01:59:38.000 To which I said, that was weird.

01:59:40.000 So the left does this thing where, well, I'll say this about Lance.

01:59:45.000 He had a lot of canned responses.

01:59:47.000 And like, that's why I asked him.

01:59:48.000 Like, same thing with Matt Bender.

01:59:49.000 Matt Bender says, you think trans people don't exist.

01:59:51.000 I said, what does that mean? 0.81

01:59:52.000 Lance said, you're in favor of forced birth.

01:59:54.000 I'm like, define that.

01:59:55.000 What does that mean?

01:59:56.000 I don't know what you're saying.

01:59:57.000 Because these are just like, I heard someone say it, I'm repeating it. 0.96

02:00:01.000 And so, in this circumstance, the left has this repetitious tactic of, why are you talking about someone else's junk? 0.95

02:00:08.000 That's weird. 0.95

02:00:09.000 And I'm just like, bro, You're not going to shame me.

02:00:12.000 I'm having a conversation about fact things and human development.

02:00:16.000 You're not going to appeal to shame.

02:00:20.000 To quote Rick, your boos mean nothing.

02:00:23.000 I've seen what makes you cheer.

02:00:25.000 There was a little bit of shame going in both directions when you were like, there's a transgenocide and you're the one that's causing it. 1.00

02:00:30.000 But you guys got past it.

02:00:31.000 It was a little moment where it was like, you kind of got weird.

02:00:35.000 There's no shame for me because these people hold no esteem in my mind.

02:00:40.000 Like, people who are in favor of performing these things on children, I am not going to go, oh no, do they think lowly of me?

02:00:48.000 Oh jeez, the groomers think poorly of me? 0.89

02:00:51.000 I'm like, I don't care, these people are evil.

02:00:52.000 I've seen what makes them cheer.

02:00:54.000 So when he's like, isn't that weird you think that?

02:00:56.000 I'm like, bro, you are the guys doing the sex shows and then wanting kids to be present.

02:01:00.000 You're not shaming me.

02:01:02.000 This is right out of Rules for Radicals, though.

02:01:04.000 Accuse your opponent of what you're doing.

02:01:07.000 So they've implemented an entire systemic legislative and medical structure that allows for you to mutilate children's genitalia, and then when people say, oh my gosh, they're mutilating children's genitalia, they go, Why are you talking about that?

02:01:19.000 That's so weird that you'd focus on that.

02:01:21.000 Well, it's almost like you've used the full force of all of corporate America and the United States government and many state governments to push for the mutilation of children, and so now people need to talk about it.

02:01:33.000 And to represent Lance a little bit, he did say he didn't like sexual stuff with kids.

02:01:37.000 He was specifying drag with kids, which isn't always sexual.

02:01:40.000 It's a nuanced conversation.

02:01:42.000 He said burlesque is always sexual, but drag isn't, when drag is literally burlesque. 0.84

02:01:47.000 Burlesque for gay men. 0.99

02:01:48.000 No, you could do non-sexual. 0.81

02:01:50.000 I think you could do non-sexual drag, personally.

02:01:52.000 Ian, there are burlesque shows where a portion of it is not overtly sexual.

02:01:56.000 A woman will come out in a dress and dance on stage. 1.00

02:01:58.000 Then at some point in the show she may take off her outer layers- And then it becomes burlesque. 0.86

02:02:02.000 And so what his point was, which is incorrect, is that because a portion of drag shows don't involve overt, you know, exposure, that therefore sometimes it's not.

02:02:12.000 It's like, well, not all burlesque is either.

02:02:14.000 But furthermore, Drag is often over-sexualized features. 0.58

02:02:18.000 A male will come out, he'll have fake breasts and fake hips to sexualize the performance. 1.00

02:02:23.000 Otherwise, he would not need to have those prosthetics to simulate secondary sexual characteristics. 0.88

02:02:28.000 But I'm positive that Lance is not into sexualizing kids.

02:02:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:32.000 That was not what he came here to talk about.

02:02:34.000 He didn't intimate that or anything.

02:02:35.000 So the issue is, the moral standard from where all of us are, regardless of whether you're conservative, traditional, liberal, is Drag is a sexualized thing.

02:02:44.000 Certain elements of it are not.

02:02:46.000 Well, sure.

02:02:47.000 But, like, going to a sex shop, some things they sell there are unrelated to sex.

02:02:52.000 They might sell, like, a vitamin pack for energy.

02:02:54.000 And you could say, like, well, that's not all sex-related.

02:02:55.000 It's like, well, but the reason they're giving you the energy pills is because it's a sex shop, you know what I mean?

02:03:00.000 So, you're doing the drag show.

02:03:02.000 It is themed, or it is centered around sexuality.

02:03:05.000 LGBTQ stuff is literally a community that has an identity based on sexual characteristics.

02:03:12.000 Introducing that to children is grooming because the purpose of grooming is to introduce the lightest form of something to a child so that you can open the door and then coax them in.

02:03:21.000 So the purpose of the Drag Story Hour drag pedagogy article that James Lindsay often references says, get the glitter in the carpet that can never be removed.

02:03:30.000 What they're trying to do is say, take the base element of the sex show, which is the drag performer themselves, and have them do something seemingly innocuous so that parents won't understand what we're doing. 0.87

02:03:42.000 They then write exactly what they're doing to get glitter on the carpet that can never be removed, and that way the child then says, oh, drag performances are good.

02:03:51.000 And then they go to one, and then what do they see?

02:03:55.000 The sexualized performance.

02:03:56.000 Yeah, you could make the argument that it could become a slippery slope, but I would think that if I went in and read stories to kids in my bathing suit, that would be more sexual than if I was in a dress.

02:04:05.000 Well, no, because the thing about drag is that's their fetish costume, and they're wearing their fetish costume in front of kids. 0.99

02:04:11.000 Look, drag is sexualized. 1.00

02:04:14.000 It may not be erotic.

02:04:16.000 Right?

02:04:16.000 But it's sexualized because, like, as a man, you know, I don't wear a dress because I'm a man.

02:04:22.000 Right?

02:04:23.000 Like, it's on the basis of sex.

02:04:24.000 It's not erotic.

02:04:26.000 I'll put it this way.

02:04:28.000 Let me put it this way.

02:04:32.000 A guy walks into a bank armed and with a ski mask on.

02:04:36.000 Did he commit a crime?

02:04:37.000 I think so.

02:04:38.000 Why?

02:04:39.000 You're not allowed to wear ski masks in winter?

02:04:41.000 Especially during COVID.

02:04:42.000 Armed with a gun walking into a bank?

02:04:44.000 With a mask?

02:04:45.000 We're in a constitutional carry state in West Virginia.

02:04:47.000 You're allowed to carry a gun.

02:04:48.000 I don't know.

02:04:49.000 And you can wear ski masks in winter.

02:04:51.000 Ian, why are you trying to criminalize an innocent guy who's just cold and defending himself?

02:04:56.000 And if it was during COVID, you probably had to wear a mask, too.

02:04:59.000 Maybe you could make an argument.

02:05:01.000 You want to arrest an innocent man?

02:05:03.000 Is he brandishing a weapon?

02:05:04.000 No, of course not.

02:05:04.000 I didn't say that.

02:05:05.000 If it's concealed, then I don't know.

02:05:06.000 No, people should be allowed to go.

02:05:07.000 So you get the point.

02:05:09.000 Even though it's legal to wear a mask.

02:05:11.000 Dude, I think the mask thing is grooming society.

02:05:13.000 The mask thing is grooming society.

02:05:15.000 Let's stay on point and not change the subject.

02:05:16.000 My point is this.

02:05:18.000 We recognize that wearing masks is legal for the most part.

02:05:21.000 A ski mask in winter, a ski mask exists because you're cold, and you want to be able to talk and look.

02:05:26.000 And you're allowed to have guns in a constitutional carry state, and we can't assume you're a criminal simply for having these things, but I'll tell you what.

02:05:32.000 If you walk into a bank wearing a ski mask with a gun, don't be surprised if the security guard comes up and says, Sir, I'm gonna need you to step outside, take the mask off, leave the gun in your car.

02:05:41.000 People are concerned about what your intention may be.

02:05:44.000 And then he goes, oh, you're accusing me of being a burglar!

02:05:47.000 That's the most insane thing I've ever heard!

02:05:49.000 There's nothing inherently criminal or bank robbery about wearing a ski mask and bringing a gun into a bank.

02:05:54.000 You're gonna be like, dude, don't try me.

02:05:56.000 Right?

02:05:57.000 So when a drag queen, with drag being a burlesque performance, goes up to children, and you say, hey, we're kind of concerned about what you're introducing these kids to, and they say, oh, now you're... If it's burlesque, you can do non-burlesque drag.

02:06:10.000 That's...

02:06:11.000 That's contentious.

02:06:14.000 You are right in the same sense that you can walk into a bank with a ski mask and a gun and you're not intending to rob the place.

02:06:19.000 But no one is going to accept that because we get it.

02:06:23.000 Drag is a sexualized performance. 1.00

02:06:25.000 It's not a gun.

02:06:27.000 It's not a weapon.

02:06:28.000 It's just wearing a dress. 0.96

02:06:30.000 Drag literally is gay burlesque. 0.99

02:06:33.000 No, burlesque is sexualized drag. 0.95

02:06:35.000 Ian, you're wrong.

02:06:36.000 Dude, look up the definitions.

02:06:37.000 Let's get over this.

02:06:39.000 You can wear a dress and not be sexual.

02:06:40.000 But that's not what drag is.

02:06:42.000 Drag is men wearing sexualized costumes and they even remove their clothes on stage for money. 1.00

02:06:48.000 That would be stripping.

02:06:49.000 That's what drag is.

02:06:51.000 Clothing of the other sex. 0.99

02:06:53.000 That's it.

02:06:54.000 When an 11-year-old boy, whose name I'm not going to say... Yeah, that guy was stripping.

02:06:57.000 But they called that drag.

02:06:59.000 They called it child drag.

02:07:00.000 It became stripping as well.

02:07:01.000 You start off as drag, then it becomes burlesque.

02:07:04.000 You're doing what Lance does and creating a false definition to defend the practice of grooming.

02:07:09.000 Eddie Izzard would wear drag on stage when he would perform.

02:07:12.000 He wasn't doing burlesque.

02:07:14.000 Did he have lipstick on?

02:07:15.000 Yeah, he did the whole makeup and the dress.

02:07:15.000 And what's the purpose of lipstick?

02:07:17.000 To simulate ovulation.

02:07:17.000 I don't know.

02:07:20.000 So you think when a woman comes in here, she's sexualizing children? 1.00

02:07:23.000 You think a woman is sexualizing kids? 1.00

02:07:24.000 Thank God I didn't wear lipstick today.

02:07:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:07:26.000 You think a woman wearing lipstick is trying to sexualize kids? 1.00

02:07:29.000 There are degrees to which we accept certain things.

02:07:31.000 Women at Hooters expose their cleavage, and children are allowed in there. 1.00

02:07:35.000 But we do say, like, okay, if a kid goes in there, we're not gonna scream and cry about it.

02:07:39.000 I don't think they should be there.

02:07:41.000 Some people say, eh, because there's lines in society.

02:07:43.000 Yeah, I wasn't allowed to go.

02:07:44.000 Lipstick emerged, we believe, because when women are ovulating, their lips and cheeks are bright red, so women begin to simulate these things, right? 1.00

02:07:52.000 So when you have a man put on lipstick, wear a dress, shake his hips, and wear fake breasts, that is... Oh, the fake breasts, I agree. 0.79

02:07:59.000 And that's what drag is.

02:08:00.000 Well, no, you just wear... I could just wear a dress, that would be drag. 0.61

02:08:03.000 I'm not talking about...

02:08:03.000 Okay.

02:08:05.000 I think we're defining it differently, too, here, because I would still take issue with that, but drag queen story hour, it's never just a dude throwing a dress on.

02:08:14.000 I would still be against that, but there's a lot more to it.

02:08:17.000 Like Tim's mentioning, there's the fake breasts, there's an additional level of makeup. 0.98

02:08:21.000 Or the person who wore the prosthetic breasts and genitals. 0.95

02:08:25.000 That stuff's all sexual.

02:08:26.000 But they call that drag story hour.

02:08:29.000 They might be misrepresenting drag, yeah.

02:08:31.000 The clear response here is to bring this individual chocolate and tell them to go home and lay down because they're clearly ovulating.

02:08:37.000 We got to wrap things up.

02:08:38.000 We've gone late.

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02:08:47.000 Lauren, do you want to shout anything out?

02:08:48.000 Infringed. 1.00

02:08:50.000 Damn. 0.99

02:08:50.000 Going to come out like next week or the week after, at least within the next few weeks. 0.99

02:08:53.000 You got to watch it.

02:08:54.000 Going to be on TimCast.com as well.

02:08:55.000 Maybe Tuesday.

02:08:56.000 Tuesday probably makes the most sense.

02:08:57.000 That sounds like a lit day to watch Infringed.

02:09:01.000 I want people to follow you guys on Twitter, too.

02:09:02.000 I want people to follow you guys on Twitter too.

02:09:07.000 Give me your Twitter.

02:09:08.000 John Dutoit, J-O-N-D-U-T-O-I-T.

02:09:09.000 I believe it's Lauren Southern on Twitter, if I'm not mistaken.

02:09:15.000 At Lauren underscore Southern.

02:09:17.000 Don't forget the underscore.

02:09:18.000 It's important. 0.99

02:09:19.000 Whoever stole the one without the underscore, screw you. 0.99

02:09:22.000 Stole it from you. 0.99

02:09:24.000 So what I want to shout out is the Novena to St.

02:09:26.000 Joseph.

02:09:26.000 We're on day five of it right now.

02:09:28.000 We're praying that for the working class in this country in this tumultuous economic time, for the unborn, and also for our enemies, people who we very much disagree with and think are doing bad things, that they may See the light.

02:09:38.000 So if y'all want to go over to my Twitter account, that's one of my most recent tweets has a link to that Novena pinned there.

02:09:45.000 I'm Ian Cross.

02:09:46.000 Yeah.

02:09:47.000 Well, I'd like to hear more about that maybe next week.

02:09:49.000 Yeah.

02:09:50.000 Matt Binder.

02:09:51.000 I know you're out there.

02:09:51.000 I love you, man.

02:09:52.000 Hit me up.

02:09:53.000 Let's do a show together.

02:09:54.000 Someone told me you like my stuff.

02:09:55.000 A fan of yours and a fan of mine.

02:09:57.000 And also, I want to shout out Normal World, which I brought up early in the show.

02:10:00.000 It's Blaze TV is putting it out.

02:10:02.000 It's Dave Landau and Corey Black Garrett.

02:10:03.000 I had the opportunity and blessing to do an episode with them.

02:10:07.000 It's up on YouTube now.

02:10:09.000 Normal World, Drugtopia is the name of the episode that I was on.

02:10:12.000 Alex Stein was in it.

02:10:14.000 Great time, great people.

02:10:15.000 Check it out.

02:10:16.000 And I will catch you later.

02:10:18.000 I just want to shout out Jeff Garnett.

02:10:21.000 Callan told me that you were a fan of the show.

02:10:24.000 Felt like it was worth doing.

02:10:26.000 Thanks guys.

02:10:27.000 I'm Shurge.com.

02:10:27.000 Catch me on Twitter.

02:10:28.000 Let's argue.

02:10:29.000 Thanks for hanging out everybody.

02:10:30.000 We will see you all with various clips throughout the weekend and then we'll be back on Monday.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - May 05, 2023

Timcast IRL - Democrat DOUBLE DOWN Defending VIOLENT Subway Attacker w-Lauren Southern & Jon Du Toit

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