Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Democrats New Bill Mandates Vaccine Or Test For Domestic Flights w-Jeremy Kauffman

00:00:00.000 The Democrats have introduced a bill that would require proof of vaccination, a negative

00:00:22.000 test or proof of recovery for domestic flights.

00:00:26.000 This is already alongside the $3.5 trillion spending bill, which has VAX mandate enforcement in it.

00:00:33.000 And I'll tell you this, I don't see Republicans doing anything to stop it.

00:00:37.000 So it seems very likely and perhaps a bit, I don't want to say pessimistic, maybe just realistic, That this is what's going to happen.

00:00:44.000 And I'm willing to bet by the time 2022 comes around, maybe the Republicans come in and they win the House.

00:00:50.000 We are already going to have these laws on the books or something to this effect.

00:00:54.000 It's going to be handed down by edict.

00:00:56.000 And it's going to further erode this country.

00:00:59.000 There's some polling data we got we'll get into in the show talking about how basically both Democrat voters and Republican voters want the other to secede from the union or basically just peaceful divorce this country.

00:01:12.000 And so we'll be able to talk a bit about that.

00:01:15.000 We're going to talk about New Hampshire, the independence movement, as I guess some people prefer to call it, but secession.

00:01:21.000 And we're being joined by Jeremy Kaufman, founder and CEO of Library and board member of the Free State Project.

00:01:28.000 It's great to be here with you, Tim.

00:01:29.000 You want to just quickly introduce yourself?

00:01:30.000 Yeah, sure.

00:01:31.000 So the Free State Project is the most successful libertarian movement in the world.

00:01:37.000 It's the best attempt, it's the best chance that we have to actually achieve liberty in our lifetime, and I'm going to talk to you about why that's possible.

00:01:43.000 And then I'm also a founder of the technology that I think is the next generation

00:01:48.000 to the sort of Web 2.0 world.

00:01:50.000 And it fixes a lot of the messed up stuff that's been happening with big tech.

00:01:53.000 And that's a company called Library, LBRY.

00:01:56.000 Although that's a decentralized open source technology, the easiest way to use it is odyssey.com.

00:02:02.000 And you're on there as well, Tim.

00:02:04.000 Although you're not on there live, so this is YouTube only right now.

00:02:06.000 But all of your content is available on odyssey.com.

00:02:09.000 And it was used by more than 40 million people last month.

00:02:12.000 So it's growing very fast.

00:02:13.000 Big.

00:02:14.000 Well, we gotta talk about censorship too, because YouTube censored Ron Paul.

00:02:18.000 And they said, oops!

00:02:19.000 We didn't mean to do that.

00:02:20.000 And he's now doing exclusives on Odyssey.

00:02:22.000 Oh, there you go.

00:02:24.000 And they also announced they're banning any anti-vaxx content, so they banned a bunch of people, mentions of the person's name.

00:02:30.000 It's crazy stuff.

00:02:31.000 So, we'll get into all that stuff.

00:02:33.000 Thanks for coming, and we definitely gotta talk about New Hampshire.

00:02:35.000 Odyssey is fantastic.

00:02:35.000 We got Ian.

00:02:37.000 We're looking at what the Fediverse build out that we're doing with this metaverse is using Odyssey as one of, or library technology as part of like a possible server to host your content for your own, so you can kind of have access and control your own stuff.

00:02:49.000 I mean, it's the future.

00:02:49.000 Oh yeah.

00:02:50.000 And the thing is like a lot of these other ones, like they are alternatives, like they're literally trying to clone.

00:02:55.000 We're not trying to clone.

00:02:56.000 We've built something that's better than what comes before.

00:02:58.000 It's genuinely different.

00:03:00.000 It's all open source.

00:03:01.000 It's all decentralized.

00:03:02.000 It has the properties of Bitcoin, where you own your following, you own your channel.

00:03:07.000 We've handcuffed ourselves.

00:03:09.000 It's not possible for things to play out the same way that they've played out on the web 2.0 big tech world.

00:03:14.000 And the other side of the equation is I feel like a monkey in a cage, and they're experimenting on me, and if I start screaming and banging on the glass, they're gonna ask me to step aside and step out of public view, so I'm gonna stay calm.

00:03:24.000 But I do feel like that, just putting it on record.

00:03:27.000 Chicken in a chicken coop.

00:03:27.000 Yep, I think we should all stay calm tonight, but I'm really excited about tonight's conversation because the New Hampshire thing is big news, and seeing how many people are in favor of the other side seceding is kind of refreshing, actually, so.

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00:04:16.000 Let's read this first story from TimCast.com.

00:04:20.000 Senator Feinstein introduces bill to require proof of vaccine, negative test, or documentation of recovery for domestic flights.

00:04:27.000 The U.S.

00:04:28.000 Air Travel Public Safety Act would order the Department of Health and Human Services and the Federal Aviation Administration to develop national vaccination verification standards and procedures.

00:04:38.000 The text of the act says that it is necessary to reduce passenger, crew member and airport

00:04:41.000 personnel risk of exposure to COVID-19, decrease the risk of transmission of COVID-19 on board

00:04:47.000 aircraft in the United States and to United States destination communities through air

00:04:51.000 travel and protect children and other vulnerable individuals by preventing further spread of

00:04:56.000 COVID-19 in the US.

00:04:58.000 Under the bill, a passenger would have to provide the air carrier with documentation

00:05:01.000 demonstrating they are fully vaccinated, provide proof of negative pre departure or alternatively

00:05:07.000 written or electronic documentation of recovery from COVID-19 after previous infection.

00:05:12.000 Alright, well that last part at least I can give some respect to but across the board

00:05:16.000 I just don't have much respect for this at all.

00:05:19.000 I think it doesn't go far enough.

00:05:21.000 Let's put a scale, like there, when you check in.

00:05:23.000 Let's just check people's BMI.

00:05:25.000 If it's too high, you can't get on the plane.

00:05:26.000 I mean, it's about saving lives.

00:05:28.000 Actually, you're right.

00:05:30.000 So there's actually an issue with overweight people on airplanes.

00:05:34.000 Because when an individual comes on a plane, there's a load manifest.

00:05:39.000 I used to work with these.

00:05:40.000 And you write down average weight of cargo.

00:05:43.000 Depending on how many people are in the plane and how much cargo, uh, how much luggage in the plane, the pilot has to behave differently and move people.

00:05:50.000 Sometimes there were issues where there was like very little, uh, luggage and they're like, okay, that's going to displace the weight and put all the weight in the front.

00:05:57.000 So they'd actually ask people to move, to even out that weight, things like that.

00:06:01.000 So yes, people would complain because they'd be like, sir, you're overweight.

00:06:05.000 You have to occupy two seats because we can't have the displacement on the plane this way.

00:06:09.000 People didn't like it.

00:06:12.000 So are they allowed to like, if someone has the flu, can they not fly?

00:06:15.000 You can fly sick.

00:06:17.000 You always have been able to. 0.94

00:06:18.000 It's kind of a dick move, but I guess some people, you know, are in a bind and they can kick you off a plane for any reason.

00:06:24.000 Their plane. 0.94

00:06:25.000 Private company.

00:06:26.000 I mean, that's what we're seeing is they're not, right?

00:06:26.000 Well, they're not.

00:06:29.000 I mean, there's an example of companies that aren't really private companies.

00:06:32.000 it's airlines, right?

00:06:33.000 They're not.

00:06:33.000 The fact that the government can do this is an example of how

00:06:36.000 they're not remotely private companies.

00:06:38.000 If we had private flight, think about how awesome it would be.

00:06:42.000 Not that Megabus is like the most awesome experience.

00:06:45.000 It would be way closer to Megabus.

00:06:46.000 There'd be tens of thousands of airports.

00:06:48.000 You'd drive out to the middle of nowhere.

00:06:51.000 You'd get on the plane 20 minutes after you got there.

00:06:53.000 You wouldn't have to show ID to anyone.

00:06:55.000 There'd be all kinds of flights.

00:06:56.000 It would be way more decentralized.

00:06:57.000 Some random pilot can, you know, rent a plane and fly you places.

00:07:01.000 That's what a free market in air flight would look like.

00:07:04.000 We don't have anything that remotely looks like a free market.

00:07:06.000 You'd also be standing up.

00:07:07.000 So they've actually experimented with this.

00:07:10.000 There are seats where you're slightly sitting down.

00:07:12.000 They're like straight up and they have a little hump on it where you can lean against, but you stand the whole time.

00:07:18.000 And they're like, we can get way more people on the planes if we do this.

00:07:21.000 Well, I mean, you know what?

00:07:22.000 Like that can feel awkward and distant, but just give people choices.

00:07:25.000 That's the point.

00:07:26.000 Like if people want to fly on a flight where everyone is vaccinated, let the market provide that service. 0.99

00:07:32.000 If people don't give a shit, Let the market provide that service. 0.98

00:07:35.000 When the government is stepping in and saying this is the way that planes have to run, that's not a choice. 0.99

00:07:40.000 That's the government coming in, the gun in the room and saying you have to operate your airlines this way.

00:07:44.000 You could do a roller coaster flight as long as it's safe where every so often the plane just drops a little bit and then keeps going and drops as long as it's safe and then you get the roller coaster feel on your flight, you know?

00:07:54.000 Yeah, if people... Why don't they do vax and no-vax flights?

00:07:54.000 That'd be fun.

00:07:58.000 Sure.

00:07:58.000 But it's public health.

00:08:00.000 We don't want to spread COVID.

00:08:01.000 Travel should not be privatized, in my opinion.

00:08:04.000 The roads, the railroads, the planes should not be privatized.

00:08:07.000 Because someone can be like, no, you can't travel because I don't like you.

00:08:11.000 I don't like what your dad said to me 20 years ago.

00:08:12.000 You're never allowed.

00:08:13.000 And then he's like, all his friends that own all the other companies are like, yeah, okay.

00:08:16.000 Him and his family forever.

00:08:17.000 That's a problem of monopolization.

00:08:19.000 Which is maybe an argument for roads, but I don't think it's an argument against planes because planes, it's so easy.

00:08:24.000 There's so much space.

00:08:25.000 We're not running out of space.

00:08:27.000 There's no monopoly on it.

00:08:28.000 There can be, there's no reason there shouldn't be a hundred thousand possible ways that you could fly.

00:08:34.000 You know, like think about how many people are Uber drivers.

00:08:36.000 Flying would look like Uber, much closer to Uber.

00:08:39.000 Not necessarily where you're getting on your plane in 10 minutes, but it would look much closer to that where you have this vast variety of providers.

00:08:46.000 It's heavily centralized in a small number of companies because the federal government made it work that way.

00:08:50.000 Well, they actually are doing like Uber for planes.

00:08:52.000 There's companies where it's a private plane, and then you basically say, I'm going to this place.

00:08:58.000 The FAA shut some of these down, by the way.

00:09:00.000 Oh, wow, really?

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 It's a story to check out.

00:09:02.000 There were some successful companies doing this.

00:09:04.000 The FAA came in and said, that's illegal.

00:09:06.000 Wow.

00:09:07.000 Yeah.

00:09:07.000 Sounds right.

00:09:08.000 Well, that's the government, I guess.

00:09:09.000 I guess they think of planes as weapons.

00:09:11.000 Because they're so big and move so fast, they can cause destruction if they ram into stuff.

00:09:15.000 So they're treating them kind of like dangerous weapons.

00:09:18.000 What this basically means, what they're doing, is all putting pressure on anyone who opposes their agenda.

00:09:24.000 Because, you know, for the most part, most people are like, the vaccine's fine, I guess.

00:09:29.000 But it's really a decision between you and your doctor.

00:09:31.000 That's what they're eliminating.

00:09:33.000 They're taking your private choice out of the equation, and they're doing it in a way that most people are probably fine with.

00:09:40.000 And what I mean by that is, most people are like, I get it, vaccines are fine.

00:09:44.000 They see the data, they see the news, there's an argument, some people don't like it.

00:09:47.000 But for the most part, they're like, well, you know, I get it, right?

00:09:51.000 There's a pandemic, there's a crisis, you want to get a vaccine, fine.

00:09:55.000 The problem is, they always use issues like this to erode your rights.

00:09:59.000 They're never gonna come out and demand you do something ridiculous, like, you can no longer have shoes, and people would be like, what?

00:10:06.000 You can't do that.

00:10:07.000 No, they do something where they're like, in this one instance where it seems reasonable, you'll agree with us, and then once you give us the ability, we'll do it for everything.

00:10:14.000 So this is gonna turn into a negative test.

00:10:17.000 But then it's gonna turn into a negative test for everything.

00:10:19.000 Then it's gonna be like, you can't travel if you're sick in any way.

00:10:22.000 That's insane.

00:10:23.000 15 days to slow the spread just because we don't want to overload the hospitals, but we know it's going to be here.

00:10:28.000 15 days is all we need.

00:10:30.000 They want to stop people from flying.

00:10:31.000 It's gone so haywire.

00:10:32.000 Look, AOC said they wanted to stop people from flying.

00:10:35.000 That was part of the Green New Deal.

00:10:37.000 And it seems like, I'll tell you this, they're exploiting a crisis in every way possible.

00:10:41.000 To stop people from using... Look.

00:10:43.000 The market's collapsing.

00:10:45.000 We've got economic crisis.

00:10:45.000 Right?

00:10:46.000 Money being printed like crazy.

00:10:47.000 People are fleeing cities.

00:10:49.000 Shipping containers all jammed up in California, unable to come in.

00:10:53.000 They don't want you buying stuff.

00:10:54.000 They don't want you making stuff.

00:10:56.000 They don't want you burning fuels.

00:10:57.000 They don't want you flying on planes.

00:10:58.000 They don't want you driving.

00:10:59.000 And so you got all these people in the cities locked in their little cubicle apartments, losing their minds.

00:11:04.000 Well, I think one aspect of this is, like, politics is about tribal dominance.

00:11:09.000 And the best way to dominate someone else is when you can say, this is actually for the good of everyone.

00:11:14.000 And that's why this situation has reached this kind of front.

00:11:16.000 Democrats want to dominate Republicans, Republicans want to dominate Democrats and this gives the Democrats a chance to dominate the others in this way that is ostensibly pro-social But it's really about punishing people that they don't like and I will I'll say this is also why the free state movement is so important is because Libertarians need their own tribe and it's not working nationally Libertarians need their own tribe as well But right now a lot of this is it's about tribal dominance and the fact that it's about public health I think that's pretend

00:11:43.000 Well, the problem with libertarianism is that people are individualist.

00:11:47.000 Collectivists naturally have people who will get behind them and say, just tell me what to do and I'm down.

00:11:52.000 Whereas libertarians are mostly like, don't you tell me what to do.

00:11:55.000 So have you found like decentralized methods to unify individuals?

00:11:59.000 Well, the free state movement is pretty decentralized.

00:12:01.000 So I'll give it like a little bit of legalese here.

00:12:05.000 The Free State Project, which is the organization that I'm representing, all we are is the marketing department.

00:12:10.000 We don't engage politically.

00:12:11.000 All we do is try to talk about how awesome New Hampshire is for libertarians.

00:12:15.000 The Free State Project is 1 100th of what the Free State Movement represents.

00:12:19.000 So I'm like BLM, Inc.

00:12:21.000 And then you've got the Free State Movement, right?

00:12:23.000 Like when someone puts that BLM sign and decides to hold a rally, they didn't consort with BLM, Inc.

00:12:29.000 They just did it on their own.

00:12:30.000 And so most of what happens in New Hampshire is bottom up.

00:12:33.000 It's decentralized.

00:12:34.000 Is there fighting between some of the libertarians?

00:12:36.000 Of course there is.

00:12:37.000 You can't get three libertarians in a room without them You know, fighting each other.

00:12:41.000 But I think it's by far the most successful libertarian movement out there.

00:12:45.000 And the nature of it is it selects for people that want to win.

00:12:47.000 It doesn't select for people who want to be popular online or want to go into their D.C.

00:12:53.000 crowd and be friendly with people that are their enemies or that want to dominate them.

00:12:57.000 It selects for people who want to actually achieve, who actually want to win.

00:13:02.000 And I don't think you're going to find a movement that's much more effective.

00:13:05.000 Have you experimented with like decentralized voting for localized voting, like on apps and things like that, and finance with tokens and things like that?

00:13:12.000 I mean, I love that stuff.

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Of course, you'd have to actually change New Hampshire laws to get that.

00:13:18.000 One thing that does exist in New Hampshire, because there's like seriously like a hundred different organizations that play these kinds of bottom up roles, and I'll give you an example of one that's related to that.

00:13:25.000 There's a group called Liberty Ballot.

00:13:27.000 I hate voting.

00:13:29.000 I don't want to vote, honestly. 0.99

00:13:29.000 I think voting's dumb. 0.99

00:13:31.000 I like the idea. 0.99

00:13:32.000 My ideal society is that of restaurants.

00:13:35.000 I have no say on what's on the menu, but I have the choice of where I want to eat.

00:13:40.000 Competitive dictatorship.

00:13:41.000 But I want to support free status, so I vote when I'm in New Hampshire.

00:13:45.000 I don't pay attention to politicians.

00:13:46.000 I go onto a website called Liberty Ballot.

00:13:48.000 It's run by freestaters.

00:13:49.000 Freestaters do the job of parsing all the candidates and saying these are the liberty ones and I go in and I just check the box for who they tell me to vote for. 0.89

00:13:56.000 And so there's like so many institutions and organizations like this that are filling all these roles that make the movement successful.

00:14:03.000 That sounds crazy to me.

00:14:04.000 Like, not knowing who you're voting for?

00:14:06.000 Well, I trust the people who researched it.

00:14:08.000 You can't, I mean, like, it's no different than any other consumer decision.

00:14:12.000 Like, I don't know everything about the, you know, I trust reviews.

00:14:14.000 I trust things that I trust.

00:14:16.000 Like, people trust you, right?

00:14:17.000 You say something on your show, they trust you.

00:14:18.000 They know that you're authentic and real and honest, and they trust what you say.

00:14:22.000 So, you know, so someone, if your friend says, hey, this guy's a really good guy, Yeah, vote for him.

00:14:27.000 You trust what your friend says.

00:14:28.000 That's usually because I'm like, you guys got to make sure you fact check this one and do your own research.

00:14:32.000 You shouldn't just blindly follow.

00:14:34.000 And they'd say the same thing.

00:14:35.000 And if they get it wrong, there are people who will criticize them in forums and stuff like that.

00:14:39.000 It's not a process without feedback.

00:14:41.000 But like, I don't want to pay attention to politics, right?

00:14:43.000 That's not my thing. 1.00

00:14:45.000 I think politics is mostly dumb. 0.98

00:14:47.000 I mean, I want to win, so I have to engage in it, right? 0.98

00:14:50.000 But I don't really like politics.

00:14:51.000 And so if someone else that I trust is willing to do that research and identify the candidates that share my values, you know, why not outsource it?

00:14:57.000 Why not free read?

00:14:58.000 Peer review is very powerful for anonymous social media.

00:15:03.000 If you want to be anonymous online, but you have enough peers that can verify that based on what your account's doing, that that is Ian Crosland, then you can kind of trust that it's me without knowing who I am.

00:15:12.000 Yeah.

00:15:12.000 That's what identity is.

00:15:12.000 Yeah.

00:15:13.000 Identity is all statements that other people make, right?

00:15:16.000 Like my ID is the New Hampshire government saying that I'm Jeremy Coffman.

00:15:20.000 Let's make the case for a free state project, maybe in a way it wouldn't be your first go-to.

00:15:26.000 Let me pull up this story.

00:15:27.000 This is from CNN.

00:15:29.000 The workers who keep global supply chains moving are warning of a system collapse.

00:15:35.000 Seafarers, truck drivers, airline workers have endured quarantines, travel restrictions, and complex COVID-19 vaccination and testing requirements to keep stretched supply chains moving during the pandemic.

00:15:44.000 In an open letter Wednesday to heads of state attending the United Nations General Assembly, the International Chamber of Shipping, and other industry groups warned of a global transport system collapse if governments do not restore freedom of movement to transport workers and give them priority to receive vaccines recognized by the World Health Organization.

00:16:04.000 We got trucker shortages here.

00:16:05.000 We got them in the UK.

00:16:07.000 The idea that you will be able to just float in this system and things are going to go like normal, like you can walk to the grocery store and there are your strawberries, is a joke.

00:16:16.000 It's not true.

00:16:17.000 People need to start being responsible for themselves because they are telling us the system is collapsing.

00:16:22.000 But I got one more for you from TimCast.com.

00:16:25.000 82% of Americans are scared that supply chain issues will ruin their life plans.

00:16:30.000 Alright then.

00:16:32.000 82% of people already know this.

00:16:34.000 Well, here's an option.

00:16:35.000 You can get 100 acres in New Hampshire for like 200 grand.

00:16:39.000 And then just start getting to it.

00:16:41.000 Start working.

00:16:42.000 The Free State Project is social security for people who don't believe in social security.

00:16:46.000 So what do you think is going to happen if... I mean, what's the ultimate goal?

00:16:50.000 Free State, New Hampshire secedes, or what?

00:16:53.000 So the project takes no stance on secession.

00:16:55.000 So the idea is, again, just get people here.

00:16:59.000 I think, and I'm not giving my personal opinion, I'm totally cool with secession.

00:17:04.000 I would love it if it happens.

00:17:06.000 I think there's a huge opportunity to simply push nullification, right?

00:17:09.000 Like, nullification gets done a lot.

00:17:11.000 What's the most successful anarchist or libertarian movement in the United States?

00:17:16.000 Anyone want to venture a guess?

00:17:17.000 No, what is it?

00:17:18.000 The Amish.

00:17:19.000 Yeah?

00:17:20.000 Yeah.

00:17:20.000 The Amish don't pay Social Security.

00:17:22.000 What, really?

00:17:23.000 Why not?

00:17:23.000 Yep.

00:17:24.000 Because the 200,000 of them got together and said, screw you. 0.89

00:17:27.000 We're not doing it. 0.67

00:17:28.000 Wow.

00:17:29.000 The Amish don't have to participate in the draft.

00:17:31.000 What?

00:17:31.000 Yeah.

00:17:32.000 They're the only organization, they're the only people exempt from the draft.

00:17:34.000 Wow.

00:17:35.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.000 So when you have a, you know, there's an aspect of government that's like very much sour grapes in terms of what it wants to control.

00:17:42.000 And by that, I mean, if the, if the government can't control something, it acts like it never wanted to.

00:17:47.000 Right, right, right, right. 0.89

00:17:49.000 And so if you have enough people who are willing to get together and say, no, screw you.

00:17:54.000 People started their own city in Seattle and there was not the government will to go in and control it.

00:18:00.000 Well, until they went to the mayor's house.

00:18:03.000 Right, right. 0.97

00:18:03.000 But if you get enough people together in one place and they're willing to say, screw you. 0.97

00:18:09.000 The federal government is not going to wage a civil war.

00:18:12.000 And so I think if you want to achieve secession, which I'm totally cool with.

00:18:16.000 This is not like an anti-secession.

00:18:17.000 I support it.

00:18:18.000 But you can do a lot of things.

00:18:21.000 You can say, well, we're not going to participate in these federal programs.

00:18:23.000 We're not going to give you this money.

00:18:24.000 We're not going to collect income tax from New Hampshire residents.

00:18:28.000 And you can play this sort of game of brinksmanship where you're pushing it on them to do something.

00:18:31.000 Well, the reason I ask about secession is, you know, watching what happened, what we're seeing in the economy, right?

00:18:36.000 People need to understand that the M1 money stock is just skyrocketing.

00:18:40.000 They opened up savings accounts so that everyone can use savings like checking.

00:18:43.000 They removed the reserve requirements.

00:18:45.000 Apparently, we're just finding this out from Bob Murphy, they removed reserve requirements for giving out loans, which means banks can literally just be like, here's money!

00:18:53.000 Whatever! 0.98

00:18:54.000 We have no idea.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, the system's on fire, right?

00:18:57.000 Now, here's what happens.

00:18:59.000 We have a lot of people who watch, and their attitude is, the system is too comfortable for me to do anything differently, right?

00:19:06.000 I don't want to stand up and risk my family and my house and my job.

00:19:11.000 I got kids to feed, so I'm not going to put them at risk for a political cause.

00:19:16.000 But I think all that they're really saying is, I will not prepare for what is happening right before me.

00:19:22.000 So I just want to ask you, like, what do you think happens to a New Hampshire in the event of a breakdown of economic trade lines?

00:19:28.000 I mean, are people there going to just farm their own food and be self-sufficient or what?

00:19:32.000 I mean, I think I think New Hampshire could be self-sufficient if if necessary.

00:19:37.000 I think self-sufficiency doesn't have to mean that you're doing everything yourself.

00:19:41.000 It's about like it can also be part of having a network to do that.

00:19:45.000 And there's a huge agorism community, there are a bunch of farms in New Hampshire,

00:19:49.000 there are a bunch of people who are doing their own thing.

00:19:53.000 And I'll say to your point about people not wanting to stand up,

00:19:56.000 I have some sympathy to that.

00:19:57.000 It's hard to go first.

00:19:59.000 But one of the things you can do is get together with 10,000 other people who all want to go 10,000, right?

00:20:05.000 And then you can all act together, right?

00:20:08.000 Or just go to New Hampshire now because a bunch of people are already there.

00:20:10.000 Exactly.

00:20:11.000 You'll have a better life immediately.

00:20:13.000 You'll get to live with people who share your values.

00:20:15.000 By far the greatest density of libertarians in the entire world.

00:20:18.000 And if there's ever going to be something that happens, you're there.

00:20:22.000 You're going to be a part of it.

00:20:24.000 And I'm not trying to knock people.

00:20:25.000 I think people who are willing to be brave, who are willing to put their head on the line, I think they're awesome, and a lot of these people are my heroes, my personal heroes.

00:20:34.000 But if you're saying, like, hey, I don't want to be that guy, but I still want to win, Free State Project's also a very good choice, you know, because you'll still get to be a part of it, but you don't have to be the very first guy and get your head chopped off.

00:20:45.000 So let's take a look at the economy from a more libertarian perspective, I guess.

00:20:51.000 Your thoughts on everything I mentioned about the banking system, what they've been doing.

00:20:55.000 Obviously, Ian talks about the Fed a lot.

00:20:57.000 We criticize the system, but what's your view of what's going on with this?

00:21:01.000 I mean, I think it's very messed up.

00:21:03.000 I think it's clear that there's, like, a lot of inflation happening.

00:21:06.000 I mean, as a libertarian, like, my perspective on this is, like, you want free banking.

00:21:10.000 You want a competition in currencies.

00:21:12.000 Like, let the best currency win.

00:21:14.000 and allow there to be competition in terms of how currencies are going to be provided

00:21:19.000 and how they work.

00:21:20.000 I mean, I think there's all kinds of interesting things you can do with money beyond even Bitcoin

00:21:25.000 that can't be done because of government regulation.

00:21:28.000 I think David, like David Friedman, had some very interesting ideas about how to design

00:21:33.000 free money that was like stable and track the price of goods going back to the 70s.

00:21:39.000 Those could be done on the blockchain and there's all kinds of things that you could

00:21:43.000 But there's no doubt that the system is very messed up as to what degree it collapses.

00:21:48.000 I mean, I'm not an economist, so I'm not going to venture that, but I think it's clear that there is like a house of cards type situation here, and to what degree it collapses, you know, I don't know.

00:21:58.000 Usually all at once.

00:21:59.000 Especially when you look at the way... Gradually, then suddenly.

00:21:59.000 Yeah.

00:22:01.000 Yeah.

00:22:02.000 It looks like, yes, it is collapsing, but it also looks like it's being demolished with this behavior of shutting down the entire, almost the entire economy, a large percentage of it, and mass printing of money.

00:22:12.000 That's like a demolition move.

00:22:14.000 So I would imagine, like you said, all at once.

00:22:16.000 Well, there's that meme where they say the carbon they're trying to reduce is you.

00:22:21.000 Have you ever seen that?

00:22:22.000 No, I'm seeing so many people in prominent positions that don't understand you can recollect the carbon from the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and turn it into graphene.

00:22:30.000 Maybe that's not the issue, Ian.

00:22:33.000 The global warming stuff is no different than the COVID stuff, right?

00:22:36.000 Like the people who push it, and I'm not trying to say like global warming is real, but like the people who push it, they're pushing it for reasons of dominating other people.

00:22:44.000 And that's why the focus is so much on the communism aspects.

00:22:48.000 That's why they don't care about nuclear power.

00:22:50.000 That's why they don't care about removing carbon from the environment.

00:22:53.000 Right.

00:22:53.000 That's why they don't care.

00:22:54.000 Because it's not about that.

00:22:55.000 That's not why they care.

00:22:56.000 I mean, they're like, wow, this is a problem.

00:22:59.000 And here's what ends up happening.

00:23:00.000 They say, okay, climate change is a problem, right?

00:23:02.000 We've got a whole lot of people cranking out a whole lot of waste.

00:23:05.000 Mercury in the waters, dead zones, bugs disappearing, all this stuff because humans are affecting the planet.

00:23:11.000 What do we do?

00:23:12.000 Well, we can reduce carbon in the atmosphere.

00:23:14.000 We can clean up our oceans.

00:23:15.000 And they're like, yeah, but that doesn't stop the human behavior.

00:23:18.000 It won't change the fact that humans are expanding, are growing, and eating, and consuming, and wasting.

00:23:24.000 So how do you stop it in the long run?

00:23:26.000 And they say, authoritarianism.

00:23:29.000 Take away their stuff.

00:23:30.000 Don't let them live the way they want to live.

00:23:33.000 Convince them to live a certain way that you want them to live, because we're right.

00:23:37.000 The problem is, as much as we can look at a lot of the global problems and be like, yeah, these are bad things, you know, like climate change is bad, the dead zones in the ocean, the constant droughts, whatever you want to attribute these things to, these are bad things affecting us, and we need to be better in tune with our environment.

00:23:54.000 Why should we blindly trust other people who just think they're smarter or better?

00:23:58.000 That's ultimately the problem. 0.99

00:23:59.000 There was a quote we read, I forgot the guy's name, maybe you guys know, where he was like, if, you know, humans are so dumb that they need a special class to rule them, how are these individuals who claim to be better actually any better than the people they claim are too stupid to rule themselves? 0.92

00:24:14.000 So what ends up happening is they say the solution isn't to pull carbon from the atmosphere. 0.98

00:24:17.000 The solution is stop the chickens from taking a dump in their water or just get rid of those chickens that are taking a dump in their water.

00:24:25.000 It's honestly just like COVID.

00:24:27.000 COVID's real and it kills people.

00:24:29.000 Is the debate and discussion around COVID actually about preventing that?

00:24:34.000 No, it's not.

00:24:35.000 Like climate change is real and it's going to cause changes and potentially harm to our environment.

00:24:40.000 Is the way that climate change is discussed and the way the policies that are being proposed, is it about solving that problem?

00:24:44.000 No, it's not.

00:24:45.000 Yeah.

00:24:45.000 Right.

00:24:45.000 It's about preventing the problem rather than treating the problem.

00:24:48.000 The problem is here.

00:24:49.000 The problem is not going away.

00:24:50.000 You can't stop people from pooping.

00:24:51.000 They're going to keep pooping.

00:24:52.000 You got to reuse it.

00:24:53.000 Unless there's less people.

00:24:55.000 Technically, but that doesn't scale because there will always be more people.

00:24:58.000 That's not true.

00:24:59.000 Well, they will continue to reproduce unless you sterilize the population and make clones forever.

00:25:02.000 That's not true, Ian.

00:25:04.000 I believe in the United States they're below replacement now.

00:25:06.000 We are, yeah.

00:25:07.000 And Japan's been below replacement for some time.

00:25:09.000 Greece and Europe, yeah, most of the West is below replacement.

00:25:11.000 Free-staters are above replacement.

00:25:13.000 Is that true?

00:25:14.000 What is it globally?

00:25:15.000 You don't know?

00:25:16.000 Freedom for freedom.

00:25:17.000 Are you joking or what?

00:25:18.000 I don't know.

00:25:19.000 I'm doing my part.

00:25:19.000 I got three.

00:25:20.000 I'm kind of looking at like the ocean cleanup.

00:25:22.000 This is Boyan Slat's project in the Pacific.

00:25:24.000 They're cleaning up the great garbage patch, the gyre. 0.96

00:25:26.000 And they did this.

00:25:26.000 It's on my Twitter page.

00:25:28.000 This amazing. 0.94

00:25:29.000 They found all this trash.

00:25:30.000 This is from one run. 0.77

00:25:31.000 And it's not even from America.

00:25:33.000 This is from the middle of the Pacific Ocean and they dumped it.

00:25:34.000 And he was like, we're 160,000th of the way there.

00:25:37.000 We're going to clean this up.

00:25:38.000 And that's like 80 years away.

00:25:39.000 If this doesn't even scale, which it will. 0.99

00:25:41.000 And the problem is that garbage didn't come from America. 0.98

00:25:43.000 It came from the entire planet. 1.00

00:25:44.000 It came from our species.

00:25:45.000 It mostly comes from China and India and Southeast Asia.

00:25:49.000 And that part, we know that.

00:25:51.000 So there's no stopping this from happening.

00:25:53.000 We're going to keep dumping in the water.

00:25:55.000 It's not we, it's China. 0.95

00:25:57.000 I'm saying humans are going to continue to dump in the water.

00:26:00.000 We just need to figure out how to reuse the stuff.

00:26:01.000 I think you need to be more specific because when Greta Thunberg comes out and looks at one of the countries with the most environmentalists and says, how dare you?

00:26:11.000 and doesn't talk about China and India and these other countries that are just polluting like crazy, we're not going to solve the problem.

00:26:18.000 Especially if China's 1.4 billion people, the United States and the West, who are actually environmentally conscious and the ones leading the charge against climate change, they're in decline.

00:26:28.000 To be honest, if I have to be the world's custodian, I'll do it.

00:26:31.000 I don't want to clean up everyone else's mess, but if that means that's what we need to do to survive, I'll do it.

00:26:36.000 The problem is, Ian, you can't legislate for China.

00:26:39.000 No.

00:26:40.000 So in the United States, where we already ban plastic straws, even though we're not contributing, for the most part, to these big garbage patches, and then we go to China and these international agreements and say, you agree not to do this.

00:26:40.000 You can communicate, though.

00:26:50.000 They say, you bet.

00:26:51.000 We agree not to do this.

00:26:52.000 And they say, we don't care.

00:26:53.000 We're going to do whatever we want.

00:26:53.000 We're not going to listen to them.

00:26:54.000 Yeah, well, in a way, waste can become very profitable, because if you can break down the plastic back into sugar or into oil, you can reuse it, so it becomes a commodity.

00:27:02.000 I think that's a way to spark cleanup.

00:27:05.000 Are they, and I'm not a climate scientist, are they related?

00:27:11.000 Like, litter and waste is not necessarily the thing that's causing Climate change, isn't climate change mostly being driven by the use of fossil fuels?

00:27:19.000 Yeah, mostly methane and carbon dioxide, I think, which is mostly carbon.

00:27:22.000 CH4 is methane.

00:27:24.000 I think the issue with climate change is that it's a very specific claim, very narrowed down to Humans producing too much carbon, causing the climate to change, when the real thing we talk about, because we had Chris Martinson on, is just ecosystem stresses and potential collapse.

00:27:43.000 Look, climate change, I get it.

00:27:46.000 But it's one facet of, we have dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico, where chemical runoff creates this patch with no oxygen in the water, so nothing lives.

00:27:56.000 We have fisheries that are so overfished that jellyfish are coming in, and then the people start eating jellyfish, which is kind of gross, but I guess they do.

00:28:03.000 These are the problems we face, you know, the windshield phenomenon, bug populations being decimated, colony collapse disorder, bees or pollinators are disappearing.

00:28:12.000 It is not just the one thing.

00:28:15.000 It is, in my view, when you get eight billion people Consuming and producing tons of waste, even though we still have massive amounts of space on this planet where humans aren't, you still have a disproportionate amount of waste that isn't being absorbed by the ecosystem quickly enough.

00:28:31.000 That's the big issue.

00:28:32.000 Now, how we solve that?

00:28:33.000 Well, it would be great if we had like a real Green New Deal, you know, in my opinion, where it was actually like, hey, we all agree to like stop spending money on dumb wars and stuff, and then decide to just hire people and do nuclear energy investment and energy research and fusion.

00:28:48.000 Instead, the only thing we can get is, for one, Republicans are totally opposed to this, and it'll never happen to Republicans.

00:28:53.000 And then when the Democrats finally come around, AOC is like, I propose a Green New Deal.

00:28:57.000 And I'm like, OK, I'm listening.

00:28:59.000 And she goes, free college for minorities.

00:29:01.000 And I'm like, what?

00:29:03.000 That's making the problem worse.

00:29:04.000 If you're complaining about America producing too much carbon and then you're saying bring in more people into America where they will use more carbon, the left is literally just arguing to make the problem worse and there is almost no one in this country saying we should have more nuclear energy.

00:29:21.000 We should have modern advancements in nuclear.

00:29:25.000 So what do we end up with?

00:29:27.000 Yeah, the planet's still in trouble.

00:29:30.000 Humans are a disproportionate force on this planet, and it's not going to get done through the Democrats because they're too worried about minorities not getting healthcare, I guess.

00:29:37.000 It's not going to get done by either of them.

00:29:39.000 And it's not going to get done by the Libertarians either.

00:29:42.000 No, for sure.

00:29:44.000 I will, to give at least a little bit of an optimistic spin, And I think a lot of the pollution stuff, where we're actually damaging ecosystems, I think that stuff's pretty bad.

00:29:52.000 But in terms of climate change being this existential threat, I'm skeptical of some of that.

00:29:57.000 I don't know if it's Scott Adams' rule about slow-moving disasters.

00:30:03.000 I think human beings are actually very good at solving these kinds of problems, and I think that a lot of the hysteria I'm not saying that's not real, but similar to COVID, a lot of the hysteria is driven by a desire to create changes to subjugate people that the people creating the hysteria don't like.

00:30:20.000 No, no, no, exactly.

00:30:21.000 Why is it that AOC's Green New Deal had more to do with social justice than a Green New Deal?

00:30:27.000 Because that's not her agenda.

00:30:28.000 Her agenda is not the climate or the planet.

00:30:31.000 Her agenda is identitarianism.

00:30:33.000 So she'll hold up a big thing that says climate, and then everyone says, I would like to buy onto your climate plan.

00:30:38.000 Because they don't actually read it.

00:30:39.000 Inside it, it's like, racism.

00:30:41.000 She abused, uh, what's that guy's name? 1.00

00:30:43.000 Uh, Roosevelt's, uh, New Deal.

00:30:46.000 She just abused the name. 1.00

00:30:47.000 She just reused it. 1.00

00:30:48.000 Like, this stupid media culture where they keep making sequels to dumb stuff. 0.99

00:30:52.000 You know, if I go to the store, and I see in the newspaper, And it says, you know, um, special, uh, moon boots. 1.00

00:31:03.000 You wear them and you can jump two feet higher than normal.

00:31:06.000 It's a kid's toy.

00:31:07.000 And then I go there and I buy it.

00:31:08.000 It's a skateboard.

00:31:08.000 I can be like, I opened the box and there's a skateboard.

00:31:10.000 And I'm like, this is not what you advertised.

00:31:12.000 You actually, I can, I can file a claim against that.

00:31:15.000 The government recognizes you've lied, but the politicians, that's all they do.

00:31:19.000 Literally everything they have is the Patriot Act.

00:31:22.000 Are you a Patriot?

00:31:23.000 Right now we can spy on your bathroom.

00:31:24.000 Here's a libertarian solution to this problem that will literally never happen like most libertarians.

00:31:30.000 And it's make politicians make actual concrete predictions about the effects of their legislation.

00:31:36.000 So like literally when you pass the bill, you have to say what it's going to accomplish and you have to make predictions.

00:31:41.000 This is going to this is going to reduce carbon by this amount.

00:31:44.000 This is going to create, you know, this specific amount of jobs or not that the government can necessarily create jobs.

00:31:50.000 But the point is, like, you have to make specific predictions and then you judge, did it actually You know, I found there's two types of problems, or at least in this analogy, there's two types of problems.

00:32:01.000 There's problems like you can solve them by making them not happen.

00:32:05.000 That's like your son hits your daughter, smacks your daughter, and you say, no, don't do that.

00:32:08.000 Don't ever do that again.

00:32:09.000 And then he stops.

00:32:11.000 But then there's problems like global warming creating waste.

00:32:14.000 You can't tell people to stop creating waste.

00:32:17.000 That's not an option in this situation.

00:32:18.000 It's an endemic issue.

00:32:21.000 Consider it not a problem.

00:32:22.000 Problems aren't bad.

00:32:23.000 They're there to have problem solution.

00:32:25.000 It's in math.

00:32:26.000 They're not bad.

00:32:27.000 But this isn't a problem that can be solved by stopping the behavior.

00:32:30.000 We need to alter the solution.

00:32:33.000 I think you need to actually adjust the cost.

00:32:35.000 And it's much more straightforward in the case of waste, where you can track it down and attribute the blame and say, hey, whoever is dumping this stuff, you need to pay this amount of money to fix the problem.

00:32:45.000 I actually think from a libertarian perspective, the hardest one is something like climate

00:32:48.000 change where it's like, it's quite unclear what the externality is of me burning a fossil

00:32:53.000 fuel of a gallon of gas.

00:32:55.000 What was that externality?

00:32:57.000 What was the cost to it?

00:32:58.000 There are people who argue that it's not even clear that it's a negative externality.

00:33:02.000 There are some people who argue that the Earth getting warmer is actually better for humans.

00:33:06.000 I'm not endorsing that view necessarily, but there are people who argue that.

00:33:09.000 I've seen evidence that we're still at the end of the last ice age, but because the comets

00:33:12.000 hit Earth 13,000 years ago, then melted all the ice, it doesn't seem like we're in an

00:33:16.000 ice age, but we're actually still in an ice age coming out of it, which is why things

00:33:20.000 That's from Utah.

00:33:21.000 And by the way, New Hampshire getting warmer is not bad for New Hampshire, so from a self-interested perspective.

00:33:26.000 Right.

00:33:26.000 It's not bad to have no glaciers on Earth.

00:33:28.000 It might be great.

00:33:29.000 Yeah.

00:33:29.000 I mean, seriously, it's not.

00:33:31.000 It's not clear.

00:33:33.000 A lot of the climate change stuff is from accepting that the current status quo is what's best.

00:33:39.000 Like cities on the coast.

00:33:40.000 Yeah, right.

00:33:41.000 And obviously there would be costs to moving or adjusting things or damming things, but It's not clear that, you know, an average Earth temperature of two degrees Celsius higher is actually worse for humans than the current temperature.

00:33:55.000 I think the fear that floods and things is legit.

00:33:57.000 Fear of flooding fresh water into the ocean, killing life, is legit.

00:34:00.000 But it doesn't mean it's going to be worse after it happens.

00:34:03.000 Fishery collapse is a bigger problem.

00:34:05.000 And so this is the issue with almost all political debate.

00:34:09.000 You get, you know, two people, and one's like, climate change is a problem.

00:34:13.000 The other person's like, oh, climate change is not a big deal.

00:34:16.000 Meanwhile, the problem is actually much larger.

00:34:19.000 People hyper-focus on an issue because they want that to be, like, the core.

00:34:22.000 So, for instance, right now, the CDC is saying, you know, new evidence suggests that COVID can cause premature birth.

00:34:29.000 And so they're recommending women get vaccinated.

00:34:31.000 And the story is that the CDC said pregnant people instead of pregnant women.

00:34:36.000 And so I'm like, there's your culture war.

00:34:39.000 No one talking about the risk to pregnancies.

00:34:41.000 Now, if you don't trust the CDC, well, that's you and your trust.

00:34:45.000 You can go to your doctor and figure that out.

00:34:46.000 But the story instantly turned into a culture war debate and not a medical issue.

00:34:51.000 And that's what we get often in politics.

00:34:53.000 They can't help themselves.

00:34:57.000 These people can't help themselves.

00:34:58.000 And it's, again, just more evidence that And they know when they're doing it.

00:35:02.000 That clearly harms.

00:35:04.000 If your goal is to get people vaccinated, then when you say pregnant people, and you talk about it, you've just set off maybe a majority of the population. 0.98

00:35:14.000 Because I can't believe that many people are actually on board with pregnant people. 1.00

00:35:18.000 Yeah, it's a microscopic minority, but if you're targeting the group that is the skeptical, and they also overlap with those who don't like the phrase pregnant people, it's almost like they intentionally said that just to rile people up.

00:35:33.000 Oh yeah, they do.

00:35:35.000 You mentioned fishery collapse is a big problem of the oceans.

00:35:38.000 And I agree with you.

00:35:38.000 There's evidence that if you look into what's called iron fertilization, where you distribute iron oxide dust into the ocean, it regrows plankton, lots and lots of that's what plankton eats, and then massive fish booms.

00:35:51.000 So I think we can regrow the fish population pretty There was a, I don't want to call him crazy because he might be a hero, but there was a guy who did that.

00:35:58.000 I don't, I don't remember.

00:35:58.000 Yeah, I was just looking them up right now.

00:36:00.000 Yeah.

00:36:00.000 So did that work?

00:36:01.000 I haven't looked.

00:36:02.000 He said it did.

00:36:02.000 They had like a 20 or more than they expected, like 20 times.

00:36:05.000 He lost his job.

00:36:06.000 Yeah.

00:36:07.000 It's incredible.

00:36:08.000 Let's, uh, let's talk about where this partisanship takes us.

00:36:10.000 Cause we got this, this is, um, this may be a laugh.

00:36:13.000 Oh, sorry to interrupt.

00:36:14.000 Uh, 50 million to 226 million fish.

00:36:17.000 The salmon catches.

00:36:18.000 This is from, uh, Brian wing at next big future.com.

00:36:21.000 Yeah, immense recovery of salmon population from these experiments.

00:36:25.000 So let's talk about where we end up going when you have this hyper-partisanship.

00:36:28.000 We have Larry Sabato.

00:36:31.000 Red alert! 0.94

00:36:32.000 52% of Trump voters somewhat or strongly favor blue states seceding to form a separate country.

00:36:39.000 41% of Biden voters want the red states to do the same.

00:36:42.000 Strongly?

00:36:43.000 25% of Trump voters strongly feel this way, and 80% of Biden voters.

00:36:47.000 Just look at the report.

00:36:49.000 And that's basically it.

00:36:52.000 More than half of Trump supporters are like, Democrats, go do your own thing.

00:36:57.000 Almost half a Democrat saying the same thing.

00:36:59.000 I think it's beautiful.

00:37:01.000 And I can be unlike some other libertarians in this regard in the sense that I don't view

00:37:04.000 libertarianism as some objectively correct philosophy.

00:37:09.000 I view it as the way that I want to live.

00:37:11.000 I think it's bad that...

00:37:13.000 Communists aren't allowed to be communist. I think they'll be very unhappy. I don't think they're there

00:37:18.000 But I'm not trying to take it away from them. I don't think that they're wrong, right?

00:37:22.000 I think they'll be very very happy. Yeah, I really I hope they are. I hope they are like California

00:37:27.000 Yeah, they vote for the same thing over over no matter how bad it gets

00:37:32.000 Cause they like it.

00:37:33.000 It's good for them.

00:37:34.000 They can have it.

00:37:35.000 I'm out.

00:37:35.000 I'm not going to be there.

00:37:35.000 So like, let's let people sort themselves out.

00:37:38.000 Let's let people live according to their values.

00:37:40.000 Like we'll all be happier.

00:37:41.000 So I, you know, I think that's a huge white pill.

00:37:43.000 I think we should be optimistic when we hear that.

00:37:45.000 Well, I certainly think that, you know, people have mentioned the peaceful divorce because it's the alternative to violent separation.

00:37:52.000 So, yeah, definitely.

00:37:54.000 And be it Texas or New Hampshire, I'm all for self-determination.

00:37:59.000 It would be really interesting.

00:38:01.000 We actually had a debate on what would happen.

00:38:03.000 With Texas and New Hampshire, if they try to secede.

00:38:06.000 We talked a bit about New Hampshire.

00:38:07.000 We were like, Manchester would get occupied by the feds, the major urban centers, so they're not gonna let that go.

00:38:12.000 The roads would be shut down.

00:38:13.000 What do you think would happen if New Hampshire said, yo, we out?

00:38:18.000 I'm actually quite skeptical of the federal government's ability to do something strong here.

00:38:24.000 At least anything strong in the sense of actually sending in troops, actually exerting force.

00:38:30.000 I think if the federal government was against it, you'd much more likely see a response that's like, and I'm not saying that this wouldn't be very impactful, but attempting to shut down trade, attempting to shut down the borders outside of the state, or attempting to make things hard on people.

00:38:43.000 going in and out rather than actually, I think there is zero chance, regardless of what state secedes, that there

00:38:51.000 would be troops sent in.

00:38:52.000 What do you think the feds would do?

00:38:54.000 Maybe not zero, but what do I think they would do?

00:38:56.000 Some of the things I'm talking about, right?

00:38:58.000 Like, I think they would attempt to make it hard for people to get in and out.

00:39:01.000 I think that's, like, plausible.

00:39:02.000 So in the surrounding states, they'd set up checkpoints or something?

00:39:05.000 Yeah, on the roads and stuff like that.

00:39:06.000 That'd be like I-95 North?

00:39:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:09.000 Which we have to leave as federal government property anyway.

00:39:11.000 Oh, all the freeways are federal, that's why.

00:39:14.000 Well, no, no.

00:39:14.000 I mean, Maine needs to be able to get to the rest of the U.S., so.

00:39:17.000 And then there's all the federal buildings and federal employees, the post offices.

00:39:20.000 No, those are ours.

00:39:21.000 The post offices?

00:39:22.000 Yeah, no, we're gonna take those.

00:39:24.000 Exactly.

00:39:24.000 Someone was like, Ian, why are you so hard on it?

00:39:26.000 Because I think it's a terrible idea to be like, we out.

00:39:29.000 I am into other ways, I'll mention in a minute, but someone was like, why are you so down on it?

00:39:33.000 These people that want to secede don't want to take anything.

00:39:35.000 And I was like, well, they want to take land.

00:39:37.000 They want the federal government's land.

00:39:39.000 We'll distribute it to the population, like what happened in Afghanistan. 0.96

00:39:43.000 I mean, so like the people in New Hampshire will be that much richer because we'll get to take all this federal property, distribute it amongst the citizens.

00:39:50.000 I guess I feel like any kind of seizure of federal property could get violent really fast.

00:39:54.000 Yeah, maybe we'll pay them.

00:39:55.000 Look, I'm going to be honest.

00:39:58.000 I think the play is concentrate people, leverage nullification, and then if the federal government gets aggressive with you, Then you push secession.

00:40:08.000 But I'm all for it.

00:40:09.000 I'm not like, I'm for seceding now.

00:40:11.000 What I've been thinking about is creating a parallel system that can operate through the United States federal government without it.

00:40:11.000 I'll do it tomorrow.

00:40:19.000 So like a new economy that works alongside.

00:40:21.000 Go for it.

00:40:21.000 Sorry, bud.

00:40:22.000 I want people to see this image right here that I just pulled up.

00:40:24.000 This is a post office in Tilton, New Hampshire.

00:40:28.000 And I just think, you know, when you say we'll take it, it reminds me of Fort Sumter.

00:40:33.000 I'm trolling a little bit when I say that we'll take it.

00:40:36.000 I think the goal is to keep it as peaceful as possible.

00:40:38.000 Is it going to be, you know, like the historic battle of Tilton?

00:40:41.000 I'm trolling a little bit when I say that we'll take it.

00:40:44.000 I think the goal is to keep it as peaceful as possible.

00:40:46.000 So if we need to buy the property from the federal government, then we can buy it.

00:40:51.000 The post office.

00:40:52.000 And then there's military bases.

00:40:52.000 There's a whole bunch.

00:40:54.000 Yeah.

00:40:55.000 So it would be really interesting to see what would happen.

00:40:57.000 I think if anything did happen, it would probably be this weird pseudo secession where the federal government would still operate within the borders of New Hampshire completely and totally as they normally do.

00:41:07.000 I think that's the kind of thing that would lead to conflict though.

00:41:10.000 Well, what would happen is, like you mentioned with the Amish, they don't pay social security tax or whatever. 1.00

00:41:15.000 The people of New Hampshire would basically vote and just be like, you know, we out.

00:41:19.000 The federal government would be like, I guess, we're still gonna keep using these bases in this land.

00:41:23.000 And the people of New Hampshire are gonna be like, don't care, but you can't get taxes from us anymore.

00:41:27.000 Yeah, I'll take that deal.

00:41:29.000 Wasn't there, there was this famous story about a family in New Hampshire that didn't pay taxes.

00:41:32.000 Do you remember that story?

00:41:33.000 Yeah, I can't remember the name, but they ended up getting in like a standoff with the federal government.

00:41:38.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:40.000 So what happens when you have mass non-compliance for how many people?

00:41:42.000 It's like 1.3 million people or something in a place like New Hampshire?

00:41:46.000 I think you win when you have mass non-compliance.

00:41:48.000 That's what I think happens.

00:41:49.000 Like you'll have a siege.

00:41:50.000 So it'll seem like you win at first and then you'll slowly be choked out by like economy and no travel, no flight paths over the thing.

00:41:58.000 If you have pollution that goes over the borders, boy are you gonna pay for that.

00:42:01.000 I don't think you understand what New Hampshire is like.

00:42:05.000 I think you're imagining New Hampshire is like New York, with massive urban requirements, and it's very dense.

00:42:10.000 It's very difficult to get food.

00:42:12.000 You can't grow food anywhere.

00:42:14.000 New Hampshire, maybe like Manchester it's harder to do, but most of the state is just like trees, and people are going to homestead.

00:42:22.000 I'd imagine.

00:42:23.000 territory though, isn't it?

00:42:23.000 It is American U.S.

00:42:24.000 So like even if they control the roads, it's much harder to you know, actually unless they're gonna like again

00:42:29.000 They'd have to start, you know Shooting down boats and international waters that are from 1.00

00:42:33.000 other countries and from other places and saying they can't come into the port

00:42:36.000 It is American US territory those in it because of Long Island. The water is controlled by the US

00:42:42.000 Uh, I mean, I'm sure again. This is this is all like very difficult to kind of very hypothetical

00:42:48.000 Yeah, to kind of...

00:42:50.000 To kind of larp out.

00:42:52.000 I think that like... Oh, no, no, you have direct ocean access.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, 13 miles of coast.

00:42:57.000 So not the largest amount of coast, but enough.

00:43:00.000 And look, I think...

00:43:01.000 I think there's so much, and I'm not trying to talk down secession, but I just think there's so much more that you can do.

00:43:07.000 You don't have to jump from where we are today all the way to secession.

00:43:10.000 The more libertarians control the state government, they can repeal an incredible amount of state laws, they can make it very hard for the federal government to operate.

00:43:18.000 And we already have a roadmap for this.

00:43:21.000 And this is exactly what I was talking about with this sour grapes thing.

00:43:25.000 How many states have nullified Federal marijuana laws.

00:43:29.000 Does the federal government send in the... Or immigration laws.

00:43:34.000 Sanctuary cities, right?

00:43:35.000 All kinds of cities, literally nullified.

00:43:37.000 The federal government doesn't send in troops to stop that.

00:43:40.000 And so that's what you do.

00:43:41.000 And this isn't quite as sexy as the seating tomorrow, I understand.

00:43:44.000 I also want to talk about the sexier topic, but you just go piece by piece.

00:43:50.000 And so rather than going for trying to eat the apple in one bite, which causes a conflict, you take one bite of the apple and then they don't come out.

00:43:58.000 You take another bite of the apple.

00:43:59.000 And you just keep doing that until you've eaten the whole apple.

00:44:01.000 And when each step is so small that force seems like a disproportionate response, they don't do it.

00:44:07.000 And then all of a sudden you've eaten the entire apple.

00:44:09.000 And so I think that's a much better strategy.

00:44:10.000 Yeah.

00:44:11.000 Well, so is there like a five-year plan?

00:44:16.000 Or a better question is like, what do you think happens in five years?

00:44:19.000 I think that libertarians continue to concentrate.

00:44:22.000 I think we continue to have more political power.

00:44:23.000 I'll talk briefly about the political power we have currently.

00:44:26.000 We have 40 elected free staters to the state legislature.

00:44:30.000 We have more than 100 libertarians total, and this is, they're graded by a third, this is another one of the institutions in this massive web of institutions that are creating the liberty movement.

00:44:39.000 There's an institution called the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance, great institution to support, and they grade every bill on whether it's libertarian or not.

00:44:47.000 And then they grade every representative in terms of did they vote the libertarian way.

00:44:52.000 So we have grades going back 15 years on, maybe longer, on every politician and were they libertarian.

00:44:57.000 So when I say there's 100 libertarians, I'm saying there were 100 libertarians that got an A, they voted libertarian 90% of the time or more on the bills in 2020.

00:45:06.000 What if I want a tank?

00:45:08.000 Do it.

00:45:09.000 I want a tank and I want a 50 cal full auto.

00:45:11.000 I think if anyone deserves a tank, it's you.

00:45:13.000 So people don't realize this, but I love it.

00:45:15.000 Tanks are legal.

00:45:17.000 And depending on what kind of weaponry you have on it and where you have it, it's legal as well.

00:45:22.000 It's funny because you often hear from these Democrat establishment types, the authoritarians, about gun control and they're like, you can't own a tank, can you?

00:45:29.000 And you're like, yes, you can.

00:45:31.000 You literally can.

00:45:32.000 A story, I think it was Buzzfeed that wrote this.

00:45:35.000 A guy had a 50 cal full auto on a tank and he was shooting into a lake and some state troopers pulled up and they were like, howdy!

00:45:43.000 And he was like, he stops and he's like, how can I help you?

00:45:45.000 And they're like, is this your property?

00:45:46.000 And they're like, have a nice day.

00:45:46.000 He's like, yes it is.

00:45:47.000 And they left.

00:45:49.000 I'll plug New Hampshire, highest machine gun cow ownership. 0.89

00:45:54.000 Per capita.

00:45:55.000 Wow, really?

00:45:55.000 Yeah.

00:45:56.000 Highest machine gun ownership per capita.

00:45:59.000 I'm pretty sure that video of Luke with two full-auto guns was New Hampshire.

00:46:03.000 Did you see the picture of Luke with his dog and a goat?

00:46:05.000 Yeah.

00:46:06.000 I hope he has more than one, though.

00:46:07.000 You're not supposed to just have one goat, right?

00:46:08.000 Yeah, but you know, you just keep doing stuff like this.

00:46:11.000 And as we get more political control, you get more people in office, you repeal more laws, you do more nullification-type stuff.

00:46:19.000 There's so many clever ways you can do it where you can just, like, We're doing this with guns now, where we're basically saying, like, hey, federal agents can't operate in the state.

00:46:27.000 They're just not allowed.

00:46:28.000 They'll be breaking state law.

00:46:30.000 And you play these kinds of games.

00:46:30.000 They did that in Ohio.

00:46:31.000 Like, it was a big thing in Ohio where they were like, if any ATF agent tries to enforce us, arrest them.

00:46:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:36.000 Right.

00:46:36.000 So you do stuff like this.

00:46:36.000 Something like that.

00:46:38.000 And I think this is the way that you can win.

00:46:41.000 What if we bought like a hundred acres and then just told people, like, have at it I would be thrilled to welcome you to the Free State, Tim.

00:46:50.000 I think it's great.

00:46:51.000 I mean, we're out in West Virginia, basically, so we actually are just finalizing a deal on a big plot of land, you know, Freedom City, or Fredamistan, we jokingly call it.

00:47:00.000 And we're going to have, like, a recreational facility, and we're going to be producing a lot of content, doing more shows.

00:47:04.000 We have a new show that's actually already live.

00:47:07.000 I guess we can announce the name now, because it's already up, isn't it?

00:47:10.000 We'll save it for tomorrow.

00:47:13.000 It is, but you know, we're going to, so we soft launched it and then we can officially announce it.

00:47:17.000 So we're doing a bunch of shows and these are like fully produced podcasts, editing sound effects and stuff like that.

00:47:22.000 So we want to do this mini little freedom city in West Virginia, but what if we just bought, you know, a hundred acres in central New Hampshire, if there was a group of people who are willing to go there and just start using it?

00:47:34.000 So I think if you're interested in that in the chat, if you could just sound off and say, yeah, I want to, I want to move to New Hampshire.

00:47:40.000 Well, is there like, is there like a free, like, does the Free State Project have like land for like organizational use?

00:47:46.000 The Free State Project, again, it's, it's 1% of the Free State Movement.

00:47:50.000 So the Free State Project has like two employees and a budget of like, $200,000 a year.

00:47:57.000 It's a small organization.

00:47:58.000 The free state movement owns like a billion dollars worth of property in the state, and the total organizational budget of all the different organizations is in the tens of millions or hundreds.

00:48:09.000 It's a huge amount of what's happening.

00:48:11.000 So are there real estate companies that are owned by free staters, that prioritize free staters, that try to do this kind of thing?

00:48:18.000 Yeah.

00:48:18.000 They're not explicitly under the auspices of the free state project.

00:48:22.000 Is there a concern like the government might come after people for sedition or something?

00:48:27.000 When's the last time that happened?

00:48:28.000 Has that happened?

00:48:31.000 I think they're more likely to come after you in like oblique ways.

00:48:35.000 Like you can look at how they've targeted like Ian Freeman over some of this crypto stuff, Free the Crypto

00:48:40.000 6, by the way, where they're trying to say he violated federal money transmission laws.

00:48:44.000 I mean, you can look at how they're coming after me, but I'm being sued by the federal

00:48:47.000 government in civil court.

00:48:49.000 I think they're more likely to do things in this way, where they don't have to make it

00:48:53.000 explicitly about what it's actually about.

00:48:55.000 I came up with a little bit of spitballing ideas about secession or what it might be.

00:49:00.000 And let me know what you think about this, that if the government and people kind of laughed at it because it's not really well thought out thing.

00:49:04.000 But if, say, New Hampshire were to secede, but they set up a smart contract or some sort of automated system where if the United States government, federal government met the terms of these secessionists, they would automatically be reimplemented back into the federal system.

00:49:19.000 Yeah, I think that's a very clever way to do it, where you can do it with these triggers.

00:49:23.000 That's the way the Free State Project started, by the way.

00:49:25.000 The Free State Project, like, it wasn't like people were like, New Hampshire's awesome, let's move there.

00:49:30.000 It started by a guy named Jason Sorens.

00:49:32.000 He wrote this essay, and the opening of the essay was basically, the Libertarian Party is a failure.

00:49:38.000 The notion of the Libertarian Party ever achieving its agenda in my lifetime is literally hopeless.

00:49:44.000 I'd bet all this money that that will never happen.

00:49:46.000 He made this 20-year prediction 20 years ago.

00:49:48.000 It came true just very recently.

00:49:50.000 He was completely correct.

00:49:52.000 And he said that like, but there are enough libertarians in the country that if we concentrated, we could actually achieve our agenda.

00:49:59.000 And the way that started was people signed an assurance contract, like a Kickstarter.

00:50:03.000 And so it started with 5,000 people saying, well, we're not sure where we're going to move.

00:50:07.000 But we'll all move to the place that we agree on, and then we'll continue to keep the movement going from there.

00:50:13.000 So there was this whole selection process, like Wyoming was the second state, and Alaska, I think, was the third, and they went through, I mean, there was a longer list, but that's the way it came out.

00:50:22.000 New Hampshire came in first, Wyoming came in second, and Alaska came in third, where they went through and debated all the possible states.

00:50:27.000 And a key target was low population, right?

00:50:29.000 New Hampshire only has a million people, right?

00:50:31.000 So that's part of why we're able to have such an outsized effect with only 10,000 or so.

00:50:37.000 So if a million and one people move to New Hampshire and then you vote, you get exactly

00:50:42.000 what you want.

00:50:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:44.000 I don't think you need anywhere near that number.

00:50:46.000 And I was talking to Lydia about this, about like a big part of libertarians tend to be

00:50:51.000 either, like they tend to be independently minded, right?

00:50:55.000 And so they tend to do, commit the typical mind fallacy and model other people as independently

00:51:00.000 It's a big part of why the Libertarian Party is such a failure.

00:51:03.000 They're like people make their decisions as independent rational animals and they consider the policy and then our policies are better so they'll vote for us.

00:51:10.000 And it is like the most absolutely wrong model of how people actually decide things.

00:51:15.000 Most people are agreeable.

00:51:17.000 They decide things to feel like they're being agreeable, to feel like they're getting along and going along, and this is what other people believe.

00:51:23.000 And so when you have, it's another way, Nassim Taleb's tyranny of the minority.

00:51:29.000 If you have this small minority of people that are extremely vocal about what they believe, they pull a ton of these agreeable people to their positions.

00:51:37.000 And it's a big part of how we're succeeding.

00:51:39.000 It's even how the libertarians in New Hampshire are making the Republican Party more libertarian is because They go in and they're Republicans now and they're advocating these really libertarian positions and so they've pulled these like, you know, these like Trumpian conservative types to be much more libertarian because they're there, they're Republicans and they're being loud about what they believe.

00:51:59.000 What's like a state, what's the state budget?

00:52:03.000 I feel like we could bring billions of dollars in industry into that state.

00:52:06.000 There's so much money in defecting.

00:52:08.000 There's so much money for one country or one state to defect from not just the U.S.

00:52:14.000 regime but the global regime in terms of the way that it shuts down creative entrepreneurship and all kinds of other things.

00:52:21.000 You know, New Hampshire is not the best choice.

00:52:25.000 I think West Virginia is better.

00:52:27.000 Ooh, you're landlocked, though.

00:52:28.000 That's true.

00:52:29.000 I mean, if we're role-playing all this out, that's true.

00:52:31.000 Landlocked is bad.

00:52:32.000 But the issue is, New Hampshire's blue.

00:52:34.000 And I'm looking at their election results.

00:52:36.000 I think that is a... So, New Hampshire has a Republican governor, 60% of the vote, Republican executive council, which is this organ that other people don't have, but it's part of the executive body, Republican Senate, Republican state legislature.

00:52:48.000 The entire state government is red.

00:52:51.000 So it was just like an anti-Trump recoil maybe?

00:52:54.000 A lot of New Hampshire conservatives do not like Trump.

00:52:57.000 New Hampshire's like traveling back in time.

00:52:59.000 This is one of the weirdest parts where it's like, they're like, decorum, and the process, and rational, and we're gonna debate things, and like, let's all get along.

00:53:08.000 And so the kind of like brash style that Trump had was very off-putting to a lot of New Hampshire citizens.

00:53:14.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:53:14.000 And I mention it all the time, like regular people were like, I don't like the way he talks.

00:53:18.000 It hurts him.

00:53:19.000 It helped him in a lot of ways.

00:53:20.000 But, you know, landlocked is a big issue.

00:53:23.000 But it's actually, the other issue is who you're surrounded by in New Hampshire.

00:53:27.000 So I had this debate with Luke all the time, he's like, New Hampshire's the best.

00:53:29.000 And I'm like, yeah, but look what you're surrounded by, Canada?

00:53:33.000 And then you got Massachusetts, you got, what's the, Vermont?

00:53:37.000 Vermont's not bad.

00:53:39.000 I actually think this helps in terms of acceleration, because the truth is, like, it's awesome, we have people move from California and all over the country, but the truth is, more people move from closer nearby, right?

00:53:50.000 And so if you're in a place like Wyoming, Where are you pulling people from?

00:53:54.000 Everywhere.

00:53:56.000 If you're in New Hampshire, there's a lot of libertarians in Massachusetts.

00:54:01.000 And in New York.

00:54:02.000 There's a lot of libertarians in New York, exactly.

00:54:04.000 And it's not that hard to move from those places to New Hampshire.

00:54:08.000 It's a little more palatable.

00:54:09.000 So I actually think it's been a good choice by the movement to be in this population center.

00:54:14.000 I agree with you now, I guess.

00:54:16.000 And look, we're going to be the Hong Kong of America.

00:54:19.000 So as America turns into China, We're going to become Hong Kong with more guns. 0.93

00:54:25.000 That's what New Hampshire is going to become.

00:54:27.000 It's actually very valuable to be on the border with Canada.

00:54:30.000 Especially if global warming is real, Canada is going to be a tropical paradise.

00:54:33.000 Maybe not tropical, subtropical.

00:54:35.000 It's going to be a beautiful, beautiful country.

00:54:37.000 Even the IPCC consensus estimate is like 2 to 3 degrees C. Things would change, but they wouldn't.

00:54:46.000 I hear you got black flies in New Hampshire.

00:54:50.000 I know we don't have one of the most common types of mosquitoes.

00:54:54.000 They don't come that far north.

00:54:56.000 But you got black flies.

00:54:58.000 Probably.

00:54:59.000 I know in northern Maine.

00:55:00.000 So we were actually looking for a bunch of places to set up, like, outside of cities.

00:55:04.000 And I was like, Maine, you know, maybe.

00:55:07.000 But Maine is insanely expensive.

00:55:09.000 And there's cheaper areas and there's limited infrastructure.

00:55:12.000 It's because all the really rich people go to the shores of Maine to get away and it's just like... Yeah, you gotta be pretty well-off for the most part.

00:55:21.000 I was looking at property and comparing it.

00:55:23.000 Identical infrastructure, substantially cheaper in the West Virginia area than basically anywhere else.

00:55:28.000 I've been thinking about setting up like a university for scientists that want to learn how to use to make graphene, because I don't know if you're familiar much with graphene, but it's going to be a 21st century steal.

00:55:37.000 We're right about 2029.

00:55:38.000 We're going to start to see influx.

00:55:40.000 And I was going to do it nationally, like do it in Chicago, get the federal funds to fund it, build an American thing that we manage for 15 years and show all these Americans that get two weeks for free with their tax money to come and learn how to use it.

00:55:51.000 And then all the graphene we produce is free for all Americans forever.

00:55:54.000 And then after 15 years, it becomes a utility.

00:55:56.000 and we just produce and use free and it's like space elevator travel but we could do it on a on a state level makes a lot more sense Yeah, let's do it.

00:56:05.000 New Hampshire, graphene capital of the world.

00:56:07.000 There you go.

00:56:08.000 It's gonna happen.

00:56:09.000 You gotta get some industry to come in, and I gotta be honest, there's a lot of very, very, very wealthy people, and I'm surprised we don't see more of this.

00:56:17.000 I am surprised more wealthy people don't try to defect, but I mean, New Hampshire's like, that's the thing, it has like a small population, and in some ways it can feel rural, but it really has everything.

00:56:25.000 It has a huge tech industry, the average income in New Hampshire is like in the top five for states, The median income is like $75,000 a year or something.

00:56:34.000 Constitutional carry?

00:56:35.000 Oh yeah.

00:56:36.000 Constitutional carry, standard ground, Castle Doctrine.

00:56:38.000 We've got like the best gun laws in the country.

00:56:40.000 What's your state motto?

00:56:42.000 Live free or die.

00:56:44.000 Wow.

00:56:46.000 Maybe we should slowly start moving production up to New Hampshire.

00:56:48.000 And we mean it.

00:56:50.000 Like, seriously.

00:56:51.000 People mean it.

00:56:52.000 It's like people have a libertarian, and this is again part of why the state was chosen, like people have a natural libertarian bias.

00:56:58.000 They don't want to be in your business.

00:56:59.000 They don't want to bother you.

00:57:00.000 I mean, New Hampshire had the highest vote percentage for Ron Paul in 2012, right?

00:57:06.000 Like of any state in the country.

00:57:08.000 I mean, there was a natural libertarian leaning to the population.

00:57:13.000 Well, there you go.

00:57:14.000 Yeah.

00:57:15.000 What if we live there three months out of the year or something?

00:57:19.000 Only in the winter.

00:57:20.000 Yeah, only in the deepest winter.

00:57:22.000 Well, I like that we're centralized right now.

00:57:24.000 We're closer to D.C.

00:57:25.000 But I don't know if that is going to be necessary.

00:57:31.000 And whether you would be happy in New Hampshire, like listening to this conversation, is like reading a dating profile and deciding if someone is going to be your wife or husband.

00:57:41.000 This is a dating profile.

00:57:43.000 This is like, do I want to go on a date with this person?

00:57:45.000 It's not, do I want to marry them?

00:57:46.000 So, you don't have to be convinced that New Hampshire is the best place for you.

00:57:50.000 What you have to do is be curious.

00:57:52.000 And then the next step is you come for a visit.

00:57:54.000 You come check it out.

00:57:55.000 You come to Porkfest this summer.

00:57:57.000 You buy your tickets tonight because it's going to sell out.

00:57:59.000 You come to Liberty Forum in the fall, which is not quite as laid back as New Hampshire.

00:58:04.000 Porkfest, but it's for like the people who want to be like, I want to get stuff done.

00:58:07.000 I'm a serious person.

00:58:09.000 New Hampshire, nhlibertyforum.com.

00:58:10.000 You can buy tickets right now.

00:58:12.000 Come for a visit anytime.

00:58:13.000 The FSP will literally be like your personal tour guide.

00:58:16.000 We'll plug you into all the secret stuff that's not available online.

00:58:19.000 If you contact us, we'll teach you about the secret clubs and there's a public calendar, but there's also stuff that's like not on the calendar.

00:58:25.000 So you got to come for a visit.

00:58:26.000 You got to get in touch with us and we'll let you check out the state.

00:58:29.000 And then you can decide if that's a place you want to be.

00:58:32.000 I don't, you know, I don't care if it's West Virginia or Wyoming or New Hampshire, the idea of like people coming together.

00:58:38.000 And so at this point, it's like the Free State Project's been around so long and New Hampshire probably does make the most sense just based on what's already built in its foundation.

00:58:46.000 And man, New Hampshire is a pretty free place.

00:58:49.000 I see, you know, Luke firing the flamethrower.

00:58:52.000 Yeah.

00:58:53.000 He fired it at Porkfest this summer.

00:58:54.000 There's a great video of it.

00:58:56.000 The idea that we could affect government change is very exhilarating.

00:59:00.000 As an American, I'm like, as if that should be anything but the norm, but I don't know.

00:59:04.000 What's like the libertarian political movement in New Hampshire right now in the government there?

00:59:09.000 Yeah, so, and let me first say that, like, I agree with you completely.

00:59:13.000 Like, I hated voting when I lived in Philadelphia.

00:59:17.000 I basically didn't do it.

00:59:18.000 I did it, like, begrudgingly because, you know, your friends are like, you have to vote, Jeremy.

00:59:22.000 Don't be a bad person.

00:59:25.000 And I'm, like, happy to vote.

00:59:27.000 Every time I go in to vote, every single election, I can vote for someone who I feel like shares my values and wants the world to be the kind of way that I want the world to be.

00:59:36.000 It's the first time that voting has felt good to me in a very long time, since maybe when I was in my early 20s and actually believed in it in a more genuine form.

00:59:45.000 So it's ended a lot of that cynicism.

00:59:47.000 And Libertarians run for every kind of office, position in office.

00:59:51.000 They run as Democrats, they run as Republicans, they run as Libertarians.

00:59:54.000 Most of them do get elected as Republicans, but they get elected under every party.

00:59:59.000 You only need to send a libertarian candidate to Congress.

01:00:02.000 I think one of the most important things is to have a duly elected,

01:00:02.000 I agree.

01:00:06.000 like formally elected libertarian go there.

01:00:09.000 Probably cocks with Republicans I'd imagine.

01:00:12.000 Yeah, I mean I would love to see it.

01:00:14.000 I mean, I think it's, I do think it's really hard to win third party, and I'm a supporter of the, like, Libertarian Party seems like it's becoming more libertarian again with, you know, with the Mises Caucus and Dave Smith, he's awesome, and all these people who are like, you're really giving this full-throated support for libertarianism rather than like the woke neoliberal party or like whatever it had become.

01:00:36.000 But I think it is really hard to win as a third party.

01:00:38.000 I think that you have whatever that law is, like Duverger's law or whatever, that everything trends towards two parties, and so it's really hard to win as a third party.

01:00:50.000 So I would love it if a libertarian party candidate could win.

01:00:54.000 I really just want libertarians to win.

01:00:56.000 I don't care what letter is next to your name.

01:00:58.000 Yeah, like a libertarian governor.

01:01:01.000 Yeah, there is.

01:01:02.000 So the current, he was a past candidate for governor, and he's currently the head of the School, place, organization?

01:01:12.000 What's the branch of government?

01:01:13.000 Department of the school?

01:01:14.000 Education, state, yeah.

01:01:14.000 Department of education.

01:01:17.000 Yeah, I clearly attended one.

01:01:18.000 We're deep right now.

01:01:20.000 Anyway, he's like super, he's like very libertarian and he's decently likely to be the next governor.

01:01:27.000 So the current governor is like He's like libertarian financially, but he's like not as libertarian on other policies.

01:01:33.000 Run as a Republican, win, and then immediately announce you're in the Libertarian Party.

01:01:36.000 So we had Republicans do that.

01:01:39.000 New Hampshire had three libertarians in the state legislature like four years ago, and that was exactly what they did.

01:01:45.000 They ran as Republicans, won, and then we're like, oh, we're Libertarians!

01:01:45.000 That's how they did it.

01:01:47.000 Yep.

01:01:48.000 The Libertarian Party is so wacky, though.

01:01:50.000 That's the problem.

01:01:53.000 It's the only way—you know, the Libertarian Party likes to tout these candidates.

01:01:56.000 They're like, oh, we have these—they've literally never won a three-way race.

01:02:00.000 Literally never.

01:02:01.000 All of their candidates that are in the state legislature either won and defected—defected, whatever, changed parties—or they ran a two-party race.

01:02:08.000 So, like, they have Marshall Burton, Wyoming.

01:02:11.000 He ran Libertarian against Democrat, without a Republican in the race, and was able to win.

01:02:16.000 And so if you can somehow get it down to two parties, I think the Libertarian party could win.

01:02:19.000 And I think it'd be great if Libertarians could run under the Libertarian party, like the Libertarian party platform is more Libertarian than the Republican platform.

01:02:26.000 Although in New Hampshire, this is another way that Libertarians win. 0.99

01:02:29.000 They're so... I gotta say, if you've never been part of a cabal, You need to get a cabal.

01:02:34.000 Like, cabals are awesome.

01:02:35.000 They're really fun, right?

01:02:37.000 And so, then one of the ways they win is, like, they go in and they write the Republican platforms.

01:02:42.000 Like, the Republican platform, you can look it up for the Republican platform of New Hampshire, not nationally.

01:02:47.000 It's, like, pretty libertarian.

01:02:48.000 And if you look at the scores of state reps, the libertarian ones do better because the libertarians wrote the Republican platform.

01:02:56.000 I think we could set up free software machine learning algorithms to advise the governor.

01:03:07.000 If not, I wouldn't want him to act as a governor because I want a human to make the final call.

01:03:10.000 But I want people to be able to watch the advisement that the governor is receiving.

01:03:14.000 And then, I mean, we could really create like an art project.

01:03:18.000 Yeah.

01:03:19.000 I mean, I'm actually not fully getting this idea.

01:03:22.000 Having one human controlling all this power is insane to me.

01:03:25.000 And I would love to disperse the power of the governor amongst many people.

01:03:28.000 I don't know if that's functional for split-second decisions, but usually governors don't have to make those.

01:03:32.000 That's like the president.

01:03:34.000 But I'm also interested in utilizing AI to ease the political thing.

01:03:37.000 Like you said, you hate voting.

01:03:39.000 No one wants to deal with that.

01:03:40.000 We send representatives because we have to, because it's the least worst system.

01:03:44.000 So what if there was a system where machine learning just figured out what people tended towards?

01:03:50.000 I'm not saying this is a good thing.

01:03:51.000 I'm saying what would a system be like if, you know, YouTube says like, man, people sure do love clicking on, you know, boobs or whatever.

01:03:56.000 So they show you more and more of that stuff.

01:03:58.000 Then eventually a human has to intervene because people are complaining like this goes against your values.

01:04:02.000 What would a government be like if laws changed based on how people reacted to the system in place?

01:04:09.000 So it was amorphous almost.

01:04:11.000 It depends on how good the system is.

01:04:16.000 I'm relatively anti-democratic and anti-populist.

01:04:22.000 I think generally the more democratic we've become, the less libertarian we've become.

01:04:29.000 Beliefs among libertarians. I'll say it now because I am one of those highly disagreeable types who says these

01:04:33.000 things Anyway, it's like I think libertarians need to face the

01:04:36.000 fact that most people aren't libertarian Most people don't want to be libertarian

01:04:40.000 Most people don't actually like freedom and personal responsibility and individual choice, but they don't so you

01:04:47.000 need to level up the Free State Project and not just attract libertarians

01:04:53.000 But also attract people by saying if you want to be a sheep in the flock protected

01:04:59.000 by a strong sheepdog and a shepherd New Hampshire's place for you!

01:05:03.000 Just do as you're told, vote the way we tell you, and we'll keep you safe.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, I think there is a way that that happens, and almost kind of already does, though not quite that explicitly, but there are all kinds of libertarians that are like large employers, right?

01:05:17.000 And a large employer has the chance to kind of like They are kind of playing that role, not always, but you know, they're giving you a job, but they also have this chance to kind of push political perspectives, they have this chance to influence the way that you think, and if you're agreeable, you kind of, yeah, my boss is good to me, and so on.

01:05:31.000 And so when you have these libertarians, and this is part of, this is what the libertarian party doesn't understand, what I think the Free State Movement does, whether implicitly or explicitly, is like, The way you actually change people's minds is you become an accomplished person, you attain status in your community by being a good person, by being a good father, by being a contributor, by being a volunteer, by being successful, you know, by having your life together.

01:05:54.000 And when you do all of those things, people look up to you.

01:05:57.000 And then people copy and adapt your values and what you believe because they see, well, look at that person, look at how he is or she is, and I want to be more like that.

01:06:06.000 Have you considered just using your funding for propaganda campaigns to just trick people into supporting you?

01:06:12.000 Well, I mean, again, people do, the libertarians do run under every party.

01:06:15.000 We don't have that much money.

01:06:17.000 Our money is going to get people here.

01:06:18.000 We're the boss.

01:06:19.000 So, you know, get people on the bus.

01:06:21.000 But, so, I remember reading about, like, how all these rich people got a cruise ship so they could do weird stuff in international waters that was illegal for, like, their businesses or something.

01:06:29.000 Where are the billionaires to be like, let's just go to New Hampshire and fund this so that we can have laissez-faire?

01:06:35.000 Puerto Rico.

01:06:36.000 A lot of them went to Puerto Rico after the hurricane and started to rebuild a new utopian, Bitcoin utopia.

01:06:42.000 So I heard.

01:06:43.000 That's the last I heard of it.

01:06:44.000 A billionaire could conquer New Hampshire as it were, you know?

01:06:47.000 Come with massive funding, like everything you mentioned about the low population and people you like.

01:06:51.000 Okay, for all billionaires listening, please contact me.

01:06:57.000 2020 tax revenue was $800 million in this state.

01:07:00.000 I mean, we could bring billions in, especially with the amount of money that's been printed lately.

01:07:05.000 Geez, we could bring a lot of money into that state. 0.98

01:07:05.000 Yikes. 0.98

01:07:07.000 It's not really about the money, though.

01:07:08.000 It's about what we produce, the production.

01:07:09.000 Well, really, all that needs to happen is employers need to relocate to the state.

01:07:13.000 If you've got, you know, any amount of employers and you relocate to New Hampshire, you bring those employees with you.

01:07:18.000 Not an easy thing for everybody, but if you can do that, that not only brings more money to the state, but it brings those people and their taxes, and it just makes the economy of New Hampshire better.

01:07:27.000 Wouldn't it be funny?

01:07:28.000 Like, just imagine...

01:07:30.000 Oh, that's the future.

01:07:30.000 Oh yeah.

01:07:30.000 from now, you look at a topographical map of the United States and it's like everything

01:07:35.000 looks kind of the same, but New Hampshire is a massive megatropolis with like flying

01:07:39.000 cars.

01:07:40.000 Oh, that's the future.

01:07:41.000 Have you ever seen, I love this video, it's from, I think it's called Gray Still Plays,

01:07:44.000 is that the guy, the YouTuber?

01:07:45.000 I don't know.

01:07:46.000 This guy, he was playing a game called City State, I think it's called, and you basically

01:07:51.000 are building a city state.

01:07:52.000 You can choose to have taxes, low taxes, high taxes.

01:07:55.000 You can choose to regulate or deregulate and things like that.

01:07:58.000 And so he decides to play this game where he's like, I'm just going to, it's going to

01:08:01.000 be anarchy.

01:08:02.000 It's going to be whatever.

01:08:03.000 I don't care.

01:08:04.000 No rules, no taxes.

01:08:05.000 And what he thought was going to happen was, it was going to be poverty and chaos.

01:08:10.000 And it's a hilarious video because he's like, what's happening?

01:08:13.000 And like, there's no poor, there's zero poverty.

01:08:16.000 Everyone's wealthy.

01:08:17.000 Ski resorts keep popping up all over the place.

01:08:20.000 And he's like, what?

01:08:21.000 And he, all he did was say no taxes, no government, no intervention.

01:08:25.000 And it just, everyone lived in luxury.

01:08:27.000 City State 2's out, by the way.

01:08:29.000 Awesome game.

01:08:29.000 Shout out to Raptor Games on YouTube.

01:08:31.000 Well, I think this is another thing that some libertarians can miss because, like, most—Everett lives in luxury now.

01:08:40.000 Seriously, I'm not trying to say they're psychologically healthy or they're physically healthy, but in terms of like, if you could work a minimum wage job, and in terms of what you have available to you in terms of quality food, technology, all these things, it is a better life than most people have had throughout history.

01:08:57.000 The difference is that human beings, some, a lot of libertarians don't feel this way,

01:09:02.000 but most other people do.

01:09:03.000 They experience a psychic pain when other people have more than them.

01:09:08.000 They literally, like, they do.

01:09:11.000 This is part of what libertarians, and libertarians tend to not experience this,

01:09:13.000 so a lot of them don't believe me when I say this.

01:09:15.000 But that's what so much of this stuff is about.

01:09:18.000 It's what the Green New Deal's about.

01:09:19.000 That's why socialists don't actually care if their policies would make people worse off,

01:09:24.000 because it's about bringing people closer together, because they're pained by the fact that other people have,

01:09:30.000 why do so many people hate, why do so many environmentalists hate Elon Musk,

01:09:33.000 who's doing more to make the world green than, like, anyone else?

01:09:37.000 Because he's really rich.

01:09:39.000 Yeah. Right.

01:09:39.000 Why is there so much hatred for Jeff Bezos, who, again, gives lots of 15, $20 an hour jobs

01:09:45.000 that anyone can go and get, right?

01:09:47.000 Because he's really rich.

01:09:49.000 I don't have this feeling.

01:09:51.000 I don't have it myself.

01:09:52.000 There are a lot of people who just have that feeling and simply the distance in resources makes that person bad.

01:10:00.000 Envy, I guess?

01:10:01.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:10:02.000 I used to feel that when I'd wait tables in LA.

01:10:04.000 I was just telling this story with you guys a couple nights ago or last night.

01:10:07.000 And I would just get it.

01:10:07.000 I'd be like, gosh, I wish I could not have to work in the middle of the day and go walk my dog with my sandals on and eat $30 meals every day, five days a week.

01:10:16.000 And I just go about my business thinking like, oh, that'd be awesome.

01:10:19.000 Think it back to it, you know, just dealing with my reality.

01:10:22.000 But I felt it, you know, it's not as much anymore.

01:10:25.000 But, you know, I've also done more that I'm proud of.

01:10:28.000 So that's part of it.

01:10:30.000 Yeah, that's socialism.

01:10:31.000 It's envy.

01:10:32.000 People not realizing that you have better dental care today than Rockefeller did.

01:10:37.000 He's got this massive wealth.

01:10:39.000 The wealthiest guy.

01:10:40.000 And you can get better dental care.

01:10:41.000 You've got air conditioning.

01:10:42.000 He didn't.

01:10:43.000 You've got a refrigerator.

01:10:44.000 Luxury items.

01:10:45.000 You've got a TV.

01:10:46.000 You've got a big screen TV.

01:10:47.000 You've got VR headsets for a couple hundred bucks.

01:10:50.000 You know, I was talking about this a while back.

01:10:54.000 Someone said something to me on Occupy, they were like, you know we're the first generation that's gonna be worse off than our parents?

01:11:00.000 Our parents' generation? 0.60

01:11:01.000 And I was like, my dad didn't have a TV or a phone.

01:11:05.000 Like, because they were not, it was like, TVs were expensive.

01:11:09.000 Now, people got TVs in their pockets!

01:11:12.000 And you gotta pay the bill for that.

01:11:13.000 Like, if you could take this device back in history, and it still somehow worked, it would be worth, like, all the world's wealth.

01:11:20.000 Like, all of it.

01:11:21.000 Or half of it.

01:11:22.000 Or some, like, tremendous amount.

01:11:23.000 If you downloaded the contents of Wikipedia onto this device, and had, like, a charging cable and a battery pack that could easily recharge it, or, you know, just a wall charger.

01:11:33.000 You brought it back 50 years.

01:11:36.000 It'd be worth a hundred trillion dollars.

01:11:38.000 Because it's, now to be fair, future information is worth an infinite amount of money.

01:11:38.000 Yeah.

01:11:42.000 But like, let's say all it had, let's say you downloaded Wikipedia's, a Wikipedia database, an encyclopedic database from 1970.

01:11:50.000 Identical information to what date of time, nothing beyond their level of knowledge.

01:11:56.000 The device would still be worth billions of dollars.

01:11:59.000 Trillions.

01:11:59.000 Yeah.

01:12:00.000 Yeah, trillions.

01:12:00.000 Because they could be like, I can pull up all of the information we currently know of 1970 and no one else can?

01:12:06.000 Governments would look for it.

01:12:08.000 It's fascinating.

01:12:09.000 I love these shows, superhero shows, Heroes did it, where they like, how do you handle people with powers and people who don't?

01:12:17.000 So in X-Men they have the Mutant Registry Act because they're like, this is dangerous, these mutants.

01:12:22.000 And I think about, there's this, this is a common trope in sci-fi, and I think it's just often said, the reason why aliens would not give humans technology is, what do you think they would do with it?

01:12:32.000 They'd wage war.

01:12:34.000 What do you think would happen if you went to, you know, a village in Africa and said, here's a stockpile of, you know, M-16s or something, and crates full of ammo?

01:12:42.000 They would be like, we're going to use it to empower ourselves, and we're going to, you know, take care of our enemies.

01:12:48.000 So what happens in the US, or I should say in the world, is that typically all this technology arises simultaneously in different ways.

01:12:55.000 So you do end up with world war and conflict and crisis, but for the most part we're always kind of, you know, at an equal level.

01:13:02.000 What would happen if you came and gave This power of knowledge to a, you know, a prior generation.

01:13:08.000 To us, it's a cell phone.

01:13:10.000 We look at pictures of cats and we argue with strangers on the internet.

01:13:13.000 Back then, it would be one of the most powerful weapons the world had ever seen.

01:13:16.000 The fact that someone could be like, I can know everything humans can know, like that.

01:13:21.000 Yeah, the envy thing seems like an emergent phenomenon because obviously people have enough.

01:13:25.000 I mean, we have enough to become super gods.

01:13:27.000 If any one person wanted to study everything on the internet and remember it, memorize it, you'd be...

01:13:32.000 I mean, I think it's driven by evolution.

01:13:35.000 We've always lived in some sort of social hierarchies throughout our evolution, and everyone wants to be at the top, and no one wants to feel like they're at the bottom.

01:13:44.000 And so, for the people at the bottom of any sort of hierarchy, they want to gang up on and take down the person at the top.

01:13:53.000 I think primates do it.

01:13:55.000 I think all kinds of other social animals do it.

01:13:58.000 I think another point of evidence in this favor is if you look at happiness research, people in countries that are much poorer than the U.S.

01:14:06.000 aren't substantially less happy than people in the U.S.

01:14:10.000 the distribution of happiness is pretty similar.

01:14:12.000 Well, because it's not really about how well off you are.

01:14:16.000 I mean, it plays a role.

01:14:17.000 I'm not saying they literally say, but it's much more about,

01:14:19.000 hey, if you're doing well in society.

01:14:22.000 This is also why you see this research sometimes, it's like, oh, you know,

01:14:25.000 if everyone made $80,000 a year, they'd be happy.

01:14:29.000 Look at this research.

01:14:30.000 Once people make this amount of money, they're much happier.

01:14:32.000 It's not about the money, it's not about the resources, it's about that once you're at that certain level,

01:14:37.000 you experience happiness from having achieved the success that distances you from others.

01:14:42.000 And this is like a kind of like cold and uncomfortable way to talk about,

01:14:45.000 but I think it's the truth.

01:14:46.000 I will say though, having a little bit of money, having enough money to eat whatever I want,

01:14:50.000 whenever I want, and to sleep as late as I want is life-changing.

01:14:54.000 Yes, when you're talking about abject poverty, there's clear differences there.

01:14:57.000 I'm not talking about quite at that level, there are clear differences.

01:15:00.000 I once read that a paraplegic, a year after their accident, and a lottery winner, a year after winning, register the same levels of happiness.

01:15:07.000 Yeah, we experience these hedonic adjustments.

01:15:09.000 Jonathan Haidt has some really good research on this topic.

01:15:13.000 We're going to do a hard segue.

01:15:14.000 The hardest of hard segues.

01:15:16.000 Do it.

01:15:16.000 Because I have to.

01:15:17.000 Because there was a trend on Twitter.

01:15:19.000 My friends, I give you Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks claiming he could beat Joe Rogan in a fight.

01:15:28.000 Alright, next MMA celebrity match.

01:15:30.000 Just for everybody, you know, Cenk is an overweight, progressive YouTube host, and Joe Rogan is not only an MMA commentator, but he used to fight MMA, and he trains, and he has a gym, and he is massively ripped.

01:15:43.000 But we have this tweet. 0.97

01:15:45.000 Mr. M says, I'll make a $1,000 donation to your trash network or your charity of choice to see you call Rogan, who is not only the most successful podcast in history, but also a black belt in MMA, a loser to his face. 0.97

01:15:59.000 And Cenk Uygur said, deal. 0.97

01:16:01.000 Easiest $1,000 I've ever made.

01:16:03.000 You think he's going to assault me?

01:16:05.000 Sure, whatever. 0.99

01:16:05.000 That's incredibly dumb, but also wouldn't work. 0.99

01:16:08.000 I'm much larger than Joe, and I've fought my whole life. 0.99

01:16:11.000 I'd end him.

01:16:12.000 But grown-ups don't do that.

01:16:14.000 I'll send you the P.O.

01:16:15.000 box to send the check later.

01:16:17.000 I'll end him? 1.00

01:16:18.000 This is, wow, a whole new level of stupid, but come on, man. 1.00

01:16:23.000 Is this, is this, this is the political discourse we get in this country? 1.00

01:16:26.000 Yes.

01:16:26.000 Let me, let me, let me pull up, we got, we got another tweet here.

01:16:28.000 Let me see if it loads.

01:16:31.000 If Joe Rogan believes that the government violating your bodily autonomy is tyranny, then he must be furious about anti-choice Christian mullahs in his country. 0.99

01:16:41.000 If he isn't, then he's an effing hypocrite, sucking up to his right-wing audience out of either stupidity or cowardice, except I'm pretty sure Joe Rogan is pro-choice, pro-UBI, pro-Bernie Sanders. 0.99

01:16:53.000 This is what these people don't get. 1.00

01:16:56.000 Cenk Uygur is plastic.

01:16:58.000 He represents the non-player character that dominates our political discourse.

01:17:06.000 I, for instance, pro-choice.

01:17:09.000 Vax mandates are wrong.

01:17:11.000 Because it's a liberty-minded approach, not a traditional value-minded approach.

01:17:15.000 But Cenk doesn't know or care.

01:17:18.000 And so the parent factions, the Democrats and the Republicans, now the Republicans mostly not so much because Trump really just splattered that whole party.

01:17:25.000 Changing it.

01:17:26.000 Very different nowadays.

01:17:29.000 But the establishment Democrats only seem to recognize dichotomies.

01:17:34.000 So, Cenk Uygur goes on his show and says, either you agree with us, you're on our side, or no matter what else, you're wrong.

01:17:42.000 Even if what you're saying is scientifically true or factually correct, doesn't matter.

01:17:45.000 And so they'll come out and it just, what's the point of this tweet?

01:17:48.000 Cenk, did you just watch Joe Rogan's podcast?

01:17:50.000 Well, this is, I mean, this is the point of the tweet.

01:17:53.000 Do we talk about it on TV?

01:17:56.000 But good.

01:17:56.000 I understand that and I'm fine with it.

01:17:58.000 You know why?

01:17:59.000 We need to explain to people who are watching.

01:18:02.000 Give them something they can share and say, my friends, you deserve actual political debates.

01:18:07.000 What Cenk is saying here most likely is driven by, I will say, Hanlon's razor.

01:18:12.000 Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence or attributed to incompetence.

01:18:16.000 Perhaps he's just Not that smart.

01:18:19.000 However, Cenk Uygur runs a multi-million dollar network that's massive, and you need to have abilities and passion and drive to do something like that. 0.98

01:18:27.000 So, that says to me, Cenk knows he's misleading his audience, he knows he's pushing trash to fill their minds with garbage that will not move this country forward. 0.59

01:18:37.000 Rogan's a black belt in jujitsu, I believe. 0.98

01:18:39.000 I know he's a kickboxer.

01:18:41.000 I don't know if he practices, but I mean, I think Cenk just doesn't understand that if he's really being serious here.

01:18:48.000 It sounds like he's like a high school athlete who's like in their 30s or 40s and is a little overweight and still talks about how badass they are.

01:18:55.000 I don't know, Cenk.

01:18:55.000 I don't know.

01:18:56.000 Maybe he's a great fighter.

01:18:56.000 I don't know.

01:18:57.000 I don't know.

01:18:58.000 He's a union buster. 0.90

01:18:59.000 See, this is the problem we have.

01:19:01.000 The Young Turks are on YouTube TV.

01:19:03.000 They're propped up by YouTube.

01:19:04.000 They have massive investment. 0.95

01:19:06.000 And they are as fake as they come.

01:19:08.000 I used to love him, man.

01:19:09.000 I used to love him, man.

01:19:11.000 In 2007, 2006, they were like, speaking out against the war in Iraq, he was revolutionary

01:19:18.000 It's not even... Look, I don't know if you've seen this, but have you noticed a change in people?

01:19:25.000 Like, something changed.

01:19:27.000 People like Jiang, for instance.

01:19:30.000 You know, I've known him for a long time.

01:19:32.000 And, not like we're friends or anything, but, you know, he had me on his show a couple times.

01:19:36.000 I saw him at VidCon several years ago, and he walked up, and he was like, hey, how's it going?

01:19:39.000 We shook hands, and we talked about YouTube and Metrix, and I was doing my YouTube channel, and I was doing what I was doing.

01:19:44.000 And then, two years later at Politicon, he's screaming in my face.

01:19:48.000 Just, like, screaming at me, and I'm like, why are you yelling at me?

01:19:51.000 Like, dude, what's going on?

01:19:52.000 I should clarify, Joe's not a kickboxer.

01:19:54.000 Taekwondo.

01:19:54.000 That's what I meant to say.

01:19:55.000 Taekwondo.

01:19:55.000 Oh, really?

01:19:56.000 He's Taekwondo?

01:19:56.000 He won a tournament, like in his late teens, early 20s, and then he kind of got out of the game after that.

01:20:01.000 He's getting hit in the head too much, I think.

01:20:02.000 This dude is ripped. 1.00

01:20:03.000 Yeah, he's a maniac. 1.00

01:20:03.000 He is. 1.00

01:20:04.000 He loves hanging out.

01:20:05.000 But so, something happened to people, man.

01:20:07.000 And I don't know what.

01:20:08.000 Yeah, I'm not, this isn't like a strong explanation, but I think part of it does have to do with social media and the way that it's sort of like, To me, that matches up with the timeline of, like, politics has gotten much more divisive, like, Democrats and Republicans have moved away from the middle and are, like, much more outside of the middle.

01:20:25.000 But have you seen the Pew research?

01:20:27.000 The trends on this?

01:20:28.000 Yeah, it's Democrats, not Republicans.

01:20:29.000 Republicans are slightly more moderate.

01:20:31.000 I thought it was Democrats more than Republicans, but Republicans also did it.

01:20:35.000 Republicans shifted leftward a great deal from, like, you know, during the 2000s into the early 2010s.

01:20:42.000 Yeah.

01:20:43.000 And then moved only a little bit to the right.

01:20:45.000 Okay.

01:20:45.000 So, depending on what time frame you're using.

01:20:48.000 But based on where Republicans were in the 90s into the 2000s, they're actually much further left than they traditionally had been.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, I mean, they're progressives driving the speed limit and so on.

01:20:56.000 Right, exactly.

01:20:57.000 Yeah.

01:20:58.000 Yeah, so, but it definitely does, like, it incentivizes conflict, it discourages us seeing the other side, and it's also, like, created this phenomenon where, like, we're living in these, like, separate realities where they're, like, you know, who is, like, who are these people that both sides still trust?

01:21:17.000 You know, there's basically no one.

01:21:19.000 None.

01:21:20.000 So, my favorite was, uh, I mentioned this, many of you may have heard this, but I'll just, you know, just so you know, when I went on Russell Brand's show, and he asked me, I was on Russell Brand's show, he asked me about Civil War.

01:21:31.000 And, you know, I typically view this as people are like, they think they're gonna get me, as though, like, I'm some shock jock being like, Civil War, and like, bang on the table, when I'm actually like...

01:21:40.000 Going through all of the details, the Princeton professor, the Atlantic articles, the conversations around Thucydides trap and what it means, fourth and fifth generational warfare, all of these very, like, you know, specific examples of why we are facing some kind of civil conflict.

01:21:53.000 Then you've got, um, like, first and foremost, we had two shootouts in the Pacific Northwest between the left and the right.

01:21:58.000 I mean, that's kinetic conflict.

01:21:59.000 It's been going on for years and getting worse.

01:22:01.000 And then you have the storming of the Capitol and all this stuff.

01:22:04.000 The comment section was hilarious.

01:22:06.000 People on the right saying Tim's a leftist.

01:22:08.000 People on the left saying Tim's a right wing.

01:22:10.000 And I'm like, well, there you go.

01:22:12.000 There's no middle for any real conversation.

01:22:16.000 But the interesting thing is libertarians are kind of like in the middle because they're like, all I care about is freedom.

01:22:21.000 Do you care about freedom?

01:22:22.000 So I suppose I'll put it this way.

01:22:24.000 When I look at, when we have libertarians on the show with conservatives, they agree on so much.

01:22:30.000 But the libertarians on the left do not agree.

01:22:32.000 And the conservatives and liberals do not agree.

01:22:34.000 And it really does feel like the overwhelming majority of the left, as we describe it, be it establishment or leftists, is authoritarian.

01:22:42.000 Masquerading as libertarian because no one will come out and claim to be an authoritarian.

01:22:47.000 No one will do it.

01:22:48.000 It's not going to win you any favors.

01:22:51.000 But then you see people like Hasan Piker, you know, you see the Young Turks, you see Vosch in favor of rule by edict. 0.87

01:22:58.000 The president issuing a decree and then everyone being forced to adhere to it, and they're celebrating it.

01:23:03.000 That's the definition of authoritarianism.

01:23:07.000 Yeah, what's the, does everyone know the dude quote?

01:23:09.000 I can never do it right.

01:23:10.000 Like, when I'm weaker than you, I ask for you to follow the principles, and then when I'm stronger than you, like, I don't adhere to the principles because it's good for me.

01:23:19.000 Yeah, I'll look it up.

01:23:20.000 But that's exactly what the, that's exactly the phenomenon.

01:23:24.000 And I don't know how much of it is, like, conscious.

01:23:27.000 I think part of it is that, like, human beings are deceitful to themselves.

01:23:31.000 And so, like, when they're on the losing side and the underside, they have this, like, genuine feeling that principles ought to be important.

01:23:38.000 And when they're on the winning side and the dominant side, they have this feeling that, I don't know, principles don't matter.

01:23:42.000 Like, what matters is accomplishing my objective.

01:23:43.000 I have the Dune quote from Frank Herbert, the writer.

01:23:46.000 Children of Dune, when I'm weaker than you, I ask for freedom because that is according to your principles.

01:23:51.000 But when I'm stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to mine.

01:23:56.000 To my principles.

01:23:58.000 Sorry, I got cut off in the middle.

01:23:59.000 That was a little anticlimactic.

01:24:00.000 But I think that's the phenomenon.

01:24:03.000 We need a new word.

01:24:06.000 So the right says communism, the left says capitalism.

01:24:09.000 There's a corruption element there.

01:24:10.000 The left says fascism.

01:24:13.000 We need a new word.

01:24:14.000 What's happening is a new type of... Proprietary technocracy.

01:24:21.000 Kind of, but that doesn't explain... It does, I think, cover a lot of what's happening.

01:24:26.000 But, you know, you look at what's happening with authoritarianism.

01:24:30.000 Rule by edict.

01:24:30.000 How does proprietary technocracy explain Joe Biden saying, I hereby decree?

01:24:35.000 Because he can reach a trillion people, a million people at once with radio.

01:24:39.000 He uses technology to like, that's what Hitler did too. 0.97

01:24:41.000 He was a technocrat.

01:24:42.000 Yeah, but radio is 150 years old or whatever.

01:24:45.000 Hitler did it a lot. 0.96

01:24:46.000 Right, right, right.

01:24:47.000 Always convincing people with mass media.

01:24:48.000 It's not a proprietary technology.

01:24:50.000 If he didn't have the ability to stand up and say it, and everyone hears it on TV, I don't think that it would have that kind of impact.

01:24:57.000 It's, it's, it's... Technocracy is the government control of a society by technical experts.

01:25:01.000 Yeah.

01:25:02.000 So we, we certainly have a tech- Twitter banned the- Sure, sure, sure.

01:25:06.000 But that doesn't explain Joe Biden coming out, that doesn't explain Joe Biden coming out with an edict and then everyone just adhering to it.

01:25:12.000 It was on my Twitter page when I loaded Twitter for like five days.

01:25:15.000 Did you know that what he did isn't illegal?

01:25:18.000 Yes, they're serving- Legal experts say.

01:25:20.000 That's why I'm saying we need a new word.

01:25:21.000 They've usurped the government is in those- We are seeing an element of big tech corporations wielding their power, but it's not so much the technology mass media has been around for a long time.

01:25:31.000 It is, you have the private sector and the public sector have merged, which some people might say is fascism, but fascism is also like traditionalist and nationalistic.

01:25:41.000 So that doesn't explain what they are.

01:25:43.000 So we need a word that represents global corporatism.

01:25:48.000 With state, you know, yeah, global government corporatism.

01:25:51.000 A word for all of that.

01:25:52.000 in one thing. Do you hear me, tripod?

01:25:59.000 Jack-o-phonomy.

01:26:01.000 See if anything comes up.

01:26:02.000 Jerkism.

01:26:02.000 I just typed it in.

01:26:04.000 Global government corporatism.

01:26:05.000 Corporatism goes global.

01:26:06.000 Corporatism goes global.

01:26:08.000 You've got private corporations working in collusion with the state under the guise of democracy towards a global international new world order.

01:26:21.000 Is that what they said?

01:26:22.000 Is that what Lori Lightfoot said?

01:26:23.000 I don't know.

01:26:24.000 That's what that Australian lady said. 1.00

01:26:25.000 So communism means something.

01:26:27.000 Fascism means something.

01:26:28.000 Capitalism means something.

01:26:30.000 And so when you're trying to describe this, I hear all these different words thrown out, and it's like it doesn't capture the essence.

01:26:34.000 It's definitely a corporatism.

01:26:35.000 Look, we were talking about earlier with contracts.

01:26:37.000 If a company owns the rights to your likeness, and then they start building artificial intelligence, generative deepfakes, and can make you look real and say whatever they want, Forever?

01:26:47.000 That's like you're a digital slave to a corporation.

01:26:49.000 It's like Disney owns the rights to Thor.

01:26:51.000 They can make Chris Hemsworth's face say anything they want on a cartoon or on a TV show now.

01:26:56.000 Do you think it's all driven by corporations?

01:26:58.000 No, what's happening is there's a very dense, powerful, corporate centralization of power that is colluding with a very dense centralization of government power.

01:27:11.000 And it's authoritarian.

01:27:14.000 It's detrimental to the working class, to the people. 1.00

01:27:16.000 It's exploitative.

01:27:17.000 It enslaves.

01:27:18.000 It is overtly authoritarian.

01:27:21.000 And so, what's the word?

01:27:23.000 You know, I typically would say the lucrative merger of corporation and state would be fascism, Mussolini's fascism.

01:27:27.000 But then you get all sorts of arguments about the fascists were traditionalists.

01:27:31.000 They were like, you know, women, you know, at the home. 1.00

01:27:33.000 And that's not what these people are.

01:27:34.000 These people are ultra-progressives.

01:27:36.000 But they're not communists because they work with corporations.

01:27:39.000 So it's like Chinese state capitalist, like it's Chinese communist capitalism.

01:27:44.000 It's like woke neoliberal corporatism.

01:27:48.000 But there should be just one word.

01:27:51.000 I'm going to say techno-technocracy final answer, because without the social media, none of this could be happening right now.

01:27:58.000 Oh, that's not true, Ian.

01:27:59.000 Without the government, Twitter wouldn't have the legal protections to make it happen.

01:28:03.000 Without the government, Twitter could do whatever it wanted.

01:28:06.000 Without the Democrats coming in, so when Congress comes in and gives special protections to

01:28:12.000 the tech industry, they're then able to propagandize.

01:28:14.000 I will say, I think a lot of big tech is protected by federal laws.

01:28:19.000 I was talking to you about this before the show, I'll talk about this idea maybe a little

01:28:23.000 bit now, but there is an ability, a technical ability but not a legal one, to embrace and

01:28:30.000 extend these platforms, where you build a Facebook 2, you log into it with your Facebook

01:28:35.000 credentials and it gives you everything in Facebook 1 plus more.

01:28:38.000 And when you comment on Facebook 2, it backports the Facebook 1 for the people who are still on there, and so on.

01:28:44.000 And this is a way that we could evolve our way out of the status quo, so we wouldn't be trapped in this equilibrium that no one is happy with.

01:28:52.000 It's laws that stop these things from being built.

01:28:55.000 So big tech companies use laws to shut down competitors.

01:28:58.000 I mean, the fact that, I mean, you know, IP is a big one.

01:29:00.000 You know, you're still $10, you know, Apple owns rounded black corners.

01:29:05.000 You know, Oracle, I think they ended up losing the case, but it went on for 10 years where Oracle potentially owned the set of Java APIs, which made it so that, you know, you couldn't be competitive with phones.

01:29:16.000 There's the Computer Fraud Anti-Abuse Act.

01:29:19.000 This is a big one that a lot of people don't know about.

01:29:23.000 It says, like, basically, unauthorized access to a computer is a federal crime.

01:29:26.000 And what these big tech companies do is they say, well, if you're scraping public data, and we tell you to stop, you're now violating the CFAA, and that's a federal crime.

01:29:34.000 They don't even need to tell you to stop.

01:29:35.000 The government just literally says, yeah, we decided it's a crime.

01:29:38.000 But this kills PadMapper, if anyone remembers that service.

01:29:41.000 Yeah, that was illegal.

01:29:42.000 It was showing apartments on a map.

01:29:44.000 So you could pull up a map and it would show you listings for rentals.

01:29:48.000 There was a small company, it was like one guy, he built this service where if Southwest changed their flight fees, it would tell you, because if you call Southwest when they lower the price of the flight, they'll give you the money back, but you have to contact them.

01:30:01.000 And Southwest said, stop scraping our site, and if you don't, we're going to call the FBI.

01:30:06.000 So you can't look up our public price data.

01:30:10.000 Misappropriation of government can stifle innovation, but no government allows corporations to send armed men into the other startups and kill everyone in the building and then make sure that no one starts up.

01:30:23.000 Well, all right.

01:30:24.000 So that's a much different debate as to how would these competing interests play out.

01:30:29.000 In terms of violence, and I'm not going to, if we want to do the like, NCAP versus Minarchy debate, we can do it.

01:30:34.000 But I think that's separate from, like, we can assume a Minarchy, right?

01:30:37.000 So we can assume there's some small government that stops the companies from doing that.

01:30:41.000 But if they didn't have these additional laws that they were allowed to leverage to shut down their competitors, I actually think competition would be more robust than it is now.

01:30:48.000 Yeah, I think you're right about that.

01:30:49.000 Big time, actually.

01:30:51.000 So, hmm.

01:30:53.000 Repeal the CFAA.

01:30:54.000 Build an island in the middle of the Pacific.

01:30:56.000 We could build islands and live on them.

01:30:58.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:30:59.000 I'm an optimist.

01:31:00.000 And this is why the world is getting better despite government getting worse.

01:31:06.000 Entrepreneurs always win.

01:31:07.000 Human creativity always wins.

01:31:09.000 Human ingenuity, the ability for humans to be creative, to come together, to work together, to come up with novel solutions.

01:31:15.000 I think it's why the world continues to get better, and I think it's why I think we'll get out of where we are with the big tech stuff.

01:31:22.000 Part of what's frustrating about it is it takes time.

01:31:24.000 It takes time for the new solutions.

01:31:26.000 I mean, you've had Mines on, you're having me on, you know, and I run Library, which also owns Odyssey.

01:31:33.000 And, you know, these things, they're getting big.

01:31:35.000 Odyssey grew from nothing to 40 million people a month in a year.

01:31:41.000 And it just takes time to grow to a billion people no matter how fast you're growing.

01:31:46.000 What do you think about federating minds and library?

01:31:49.000 Yeah, I'm all for interoperability.

01:31:52.000 And that's part of the beauty of all this stuff.

01:31:55.000 When everything is open source, when everything is permissionless, we're able to innovate so much faster.

01:32:00.000 And I think all of the creative energy – like, you know, Google's a zombie, man.

01:32:06.000 The smartest, most creative people They don't want to work at Google.

01:32:10.000 They don't want to work under a culture where you have to adhere to a woke ideology.

01:32:14.000 And if you don't, you're going to lose your job.

01:32:15.000 They don't want to sit through three hours of diversity and inclusion workshops a week and have to go through all that training and have to put, you know, pronouns in their signature and all this stuff.

01:32:24.000 I'm not saying none of them do, but most of them don't.

01:32:27.000 I was thinking last night, Google, is it just that it's too big?

01:32:32.000 Part of it is that it takes just such a long time.

01:32:34.000 I mean, IBM has been sleepwalking for more than a decade and it's still such a large company.

01:32:42.000 It doesn't usually happen overnight where some startup takes down the incumbent.

01:32:47.000 And so when you're going through that five to ten year reality, which is how long it actually takes for these things to play out, it feels really slow and it feels like it's never going to happen.

01:32:56.000 But I think it's happening.

01:32:57.000 I think it's happening right now.

01:32:58.000 I think we're going through.

01:32:59.000 It's like a constant resurgence, and then it falls away and fertilizes the soil where new things appear.

01:33:05.000 With Google, I remember when Google Plus came out, and they had YouTube and Google Plus, and it was like, why didn't they just make YouTube the social network?

01:33:12.000 They were trying to.

01:33:13.000 And then they had this company, this part of it running Google Plus and part of it running YouTube, and they didn't know what the other hand was doing, and it was a mess.

01:33:19.000 YouTube was trying to turn, uh, Google was trying to turn YouTube into Google Plus, and it was backfiring bad.

01:33:26.000 And it was causing a lot of problems.

01:33:27.000 But the intent, it was happening, was that YouTube would be Google Plus.

01:33:31.000 And then they were like, it's not working.

01:33:32.000 Yeah.

01:33:33.000 So it makes me think that it's too big, that you can't, it's just too much authority and too many levels of authority of things getting passed down that it's less effect, loses affectivity.

01:33:42.000 Yeah, no, and that's such an important concept, and I think it's a mistake a lot of people make in their thinking, is they think of like, oh, Google's like a coherent entity.

01:33:50.000 Like, oh, the CEO just said stuff, and then, like, things happen.

01:33:52.000 It's like, you know, true of governments, true of large corporations.

01:33:55.000 It's a blob.

01:33:56.000 Well, no, but it's a bunch of individual agents, all with their own, like, local incentives.

01:34:00.000 And a lot of times, inside of the large thing, they're competing interests.

01:34:04.000 They're competing branches of government that are at odds with one another.

01:34:07.000 They're competing factions of Google that are at odds with one another.

01:34:10.000 There's not an ability for one person to just issue some top-down order and then everything happens.

01:34:16.000 And the most creativity, the best stuff happens when you have people with that bottom-up incentive where they believe in the mission and they want to do the right thing.

01:34:24.000 Very few jobs, especially creative work, can be purely quantified where it's like, oh, produce your 40 widgets of stuff and we're going to win because we're producing 40 widgets of creativity per week.

01:34:35.000 It's not the way it works.

01:34:37.000 It's not the way true creation happens.

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01:34:50.000 Let's read what y'all have to say.

01:34:53.000 Dragon's Pride says all disrespect intended.

01:34:56.000 If Libertarians would have voted for Trump, we wouldn't be in this mess.

01:35:00.000 The problem with that is the assumption that Libertarians share the values of Trump supporters.

01:35:05.000 And I think as we can see with New Hampshire, a lot of Libertarians don't.

01:35:08.000 Yeah, I mean, look, Trump grew the federal budget.

01:35:12.000 If Trump had followed his impulses, he might have been better on COVID than he was, but he didn't.

01:35:17.000 Trump said he was going to end the wars, but he didn't.

01:35:19.000 And I say all this as someone who thinks Trump would have been better than Biden, right?

01:35:23.000 Those are my choices.

01:35:25.000 You know Trump was not a particularly libertarian president and Trump would have continued to grow government and so on and so like would it have happened more slowly?

01:35:34.000 Maybe but but this is these are two terrible choices here no matter what if you're a libertarian and All right.

01:35:42.000 Michael Fernando Melo says, nice.

01:35:44.000 Free State New Hampshire is on my short list.

01:35:46.000 Best city TC.

01:35:48.000 Is Firdamistan going to be in Maryland or West Virginia? 0.95

01:35:51.000 Sounds tempting.

01:35:52.000 Only one is constitutional carry though.

01:35:53.000 It's going to be in West Virginia.

01:35:55.000 Of course.

01:35:56.000 There's a lot of land in West Virginia, like hundreds of acres.

01:35:59.000 It's relatively cheap.

01:36:00.000 And apparently there are investors who are interested in a freedom community and wealthy ones.

01:36:06.000 But I don't know if that's for me.

01:36:08.000 There are some other people I know who might want to run something like that.

01:36:11.000 We want to do mostly more like a hacker acreage, a hacker farm, where people can build blimps and stuff.

01:36:18.000 Oh yeah, and we're moving on the Zeppelin project, right?

01:36:22.000 Big announcement.

01:36:23.000 So there's a story I'll just tell you real quick.

01:36:24.000 For a long time, for some reason, Wikipedia claimed I invented some kind of live-streaming Zeppelin.

01:36:29.000 I don't know why they claim this.

01:36:30.000 It had something to do with some article where I think a friend of mine made like a passive comment and then a journalist, you know, someone said something like, it'd be really cool if we had like a Zeppelin that could just be resting on your roof and then like just go up and anywhere in the world you could dial in and just have access to this live streaming aerial camera.

01:36:47.000 And then someone claimed I did it and then Wikipedia put it in and it said Tim Pool invented the Zeppelin stream or something.

01:36:54.000 And then I was like, this isn't true.

01:36:56.000 And they wouldn't remove it Finally, they removed it.

01:37:00.000 And as a point of spite, I said, nah, I'm actually going to invent it.

01:37:03.000 And so it's under, it's under construction.

01:37:05.000 It's going to be here and we're going to film it.

01:37:07.000 And then the funny thing is, is where it gets confusing.

01:37:10.000 The original article will retroactively become true.

01:37:14.000 So what, what happens?

01:37:15.000 Can Wikipedia put that article in?

01:37:18.000 Because what it's saying is true, even though it's missing the context of it wasn't true when it was written.

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:23.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:37:25.000 How does that work?

01:37:26.000 Like, if there was an article that said, Ian has long hair, and they put it in, but then Ian didn't have long hair, he had short hair, and then people are like, this is fake news, get rid of it.

01:37:35.000 And then Ian grew his hair out, and they're like, now it's true, put it back.

01:37:38.000 I'm like, but that's the, don't, that article's not true, you need to write a new one.

01:37:42.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:37:43.000 It'll make it, and then you know what we're thinking of doing?

01:37:46.000 We're thinking of naming the Zeppelin something like, in, um, Well, we're going to name it like in 2012.

01:37:53.000 No, no.

01:37:53.000 We'll name the hangar in 2012.

01:37:55.000 So in 2012, no.

01:37:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:55.000 We'll name the hangar 2012 or whatever.

01:37:57.000 In 2012.

01:37:57.000 Or 2012.

01:37:57.000 In 2012, Tim built a Zeppelin.

01:37:58.000 Yeah, we'll name the hanger, quote, in 2012.

01:38:03.000 In 2012, Tim built a Zeppelin.

01:38:09.000 It'll be called, yeah, in 2012.

01:38:12.000 So it'll say, Tim Pool built the Zeppelin in a hangar in 2012.

01:38:17.000 No, no, no.

01:38:18.000 In the hangar?

01:38:19.000 It would just be called 2012.

01:38:19.000 We'd be like, welcome to 2012.

01:38:21.000 And they'd be like, in 2012, Tim built that Zeppelin.

01:38:24.000 No, it would say like a hangar called.

01:38:26.000 Yeah, if you guys have ideas, man.

01:38:28.000 Send them on, tweet them out.

01:38:29.000 So we were thinking of naming it something so that when they write in the article it would confuse people and they wouldn't know when it was made?

01:38:34.000 Yeah, I think this is perfect.

01:38:35.000 Yeah, Zeppelin's gonna be maniac.

01:38:37.000 It's gonna be awesome.

01:38:38.000 Man, Wikipedia's gone so downhill, though.

01:38:39.000 But I'm really just interested how they'll respond to this because it's like a really interesting bind for the editors to be in.

01:38:46.000 Like, we've officially, it exists.

01:38:49.000 We've been working with some people.

01:38:51.000 We've got it, I think it's mostly done.

01:38:54.000 And so we're gonna unveil it, but it's happened.

01:38:55.000 So now, I will say this definitively.

01:38:58.000 That article that claimed I did invent the Zeppelin is now correct.

01:39:00.000 Well, technically, we didn't invent it.

01:39:03.000 We're using technology that's already invented.

01:39:04.000 What does invent mean?

01:39:05.000 Exactly.

01:39:06.000 We had this one pieced together for us.

01:39:08.000 I don't know, I'm gonna go with the article's still false.

01:39:10.000 Because it wasn't true when it was written.

01:39:12.000 Exactly.

01:39:12.000 Yeah, I think that means it's false.

01:39:14.000 But if someone read it to you without the date, it would be a true statement.

01:39:18.000 Yeah, but I don't think that's how the truth works.

01:39:20.000 I agree with you.

01:39:20.000 Okay.

01:39:21.000 I'm just curious how Wikipedia responds to that.

01:39:22.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:39:23.000 But also, Ian, you underestimate what invention is.

01:39:24.000 Maybe I do, yeah.

01:39:25.000 You really do.

01:39:26.000 So, like, you know, when an alarm clock is invented, they're like, we have speakers and we have these things.

01:39:31.000 And they're like, oh, I know.

01:39:33.000 I can buy the timer from Jim so that when the timer stops, it rings the bell.

01:39:37.000 Oh, yeah, we'll be modding the heck out of that thing.

01:39:39.000 That's what invention is.

01:39:40.000 It's standing on the shoulders of giants.

01:39:42.000 So certainly, you know, uh, a lot of, this is what you really gotta understand about phones too, and like all modern tech.

01:39:49.000 It's basically a company shops around saying, can you build something like this?

01:39:52.000 And they'll be like, we'll make it.

01:39:53.000 And they put the pieces together and say, look what we've created.

01:39:56.000 You know, it's a new, a new invention or something.

01:39:57.000 So, you know, let's read some more.

01:39:59.000 Let's see what we got.

01:40:02.000 All right, let's see.

01:40:04.000 Nightingale Mori says, what's the Safe and Ready Meals promo?

01:40:08.000 What is it, safeandreadymeals.com?

01:40:10.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:40:11.000 I am not doing a promo for them, because that would be a specific thing, but we sometimes do promote safeandreadymeals.com.

01:40:19.000 I don't know how that works, because normally when you read the promo, you have to tell YouTube, but if someone asks us and we just tell them what it is, what if I ask you?

01:40:27.000 That might be a promo.

01:40:29.000 I want to ask you about what's in your water bottle over there.

01:40:32.000 The Eternal Reds.

01:40:32.000 Those are delicious, by the way.

01:40:35.000 Yeah, you know, we shouted them out yesterday.

01:40:37.000 It's like, I legit drink this stuff, dude.

01:40:38.000 It's amazing.

01:40:38.000 It's so good.

01:40:39.000 Yeah, put it in the water and get that vitamin C. Timothy Peterson says, never laughed as hard watching ShimCast as I did last night.

01:40:47.000 Ian mid-tangent said, what were we talking about?

01:40:49.000 I was honest.

01:40:50.000 Ian is an enigma.

01:40:51.000 That was during the members only, right?

01:40:52.000 We were talking about our souls being devoured by Cthulhu.

01:40:55.000 And I was thinking of the magnetic fields going to bigger magnetic fields.

01:40:57.000 I'm like, what if the biggest magnetic field is Cthulhu?

01:40:59.000 All of a sudden, all of a sudden, mid-sentence, he looked at Jack and goes, I forgot what I'm talking about.

01:41:04.000 What are we talking about?

01:41:04.000 I was looking in his eyes.

01:41:05.000 You know, one of those.

01:41:07.000 Connections.

01:41:08.000 Distracting.

01:41:09.000 Yep.

01:41:09.000 All right, let's see.

01:41:15.000 Adam Spaulding says, NHNative here, 100% support the Free State Project.

01:41:20.000 Yeah, that's right Adam.

01:41:21.000 Hope to see you at some Free State meetups.

01:41:25.000 Bogdanoff says, Tim, just 200k pool.

01:41:30.000 Well, how about I can help give some lessons to those who aren't familiar with the market.

01:41:36.000 200,000 for a property is actually really, really cheap because you don't walk in with a check for $200,000.

01:41:41.000 You need, and often, maybe only 5% of that.

01:41:44.000 And then you walk in, which could still be a lot, mind you, but you go to a bank and you say, I'd like a loan for property.

01:41:49.000 This is how you get a mortgage on property.

01:41:51.000 So if you're looking at 100 acres, And it's, what is that?

01:41:57.000 $2,000 per acre?

01:41:58.000 Ridiculously cheap.

01:42:00.000 You look in like Western West Virginia and it's like 30 acres for a million dollars.

01:42:08.000 So yeah, that is really, really cheap.

01:42:10.000 If you live in the suburbs or like the South side of Chicago, the houses there are a couple hundred grand, 180 to 200.

01:42:16.000 You go to a bank, sometimes you can do no money down and you get a loan to buy it.

01:42:20.000 So yeah, 200K is cheap.

01:42:23.000 It's all relative.

01:42:24.000 Interesting.

01:42:24.000 Justin Temm says, Student pilot here.

01:42:26.000 Something that I have found so asinine about the Green New Deal is that it views turbines,

01:42:30.000 jet engines, as dirty when turbines are easily twice as efficient as other ICEs for aircraft.

01:42:35.000 Interesting.

01:42:36.000 I don't know.

01:42:38.000 Wait, you're saying that the authors of the Green New Deal got something scientifically

01:42:43.000 That doesn't sound right.

01:42:44.000 sound like that.

01:42:45.000 It was interesting.

01:42:46.000 Koldilocks production says YouTube isn't liking the streams topic right now.

01:42:50.000 Lots of stream freezes means Tim's talking about the right topics.

01:42:53.000 Keep it up guys.

01:42:54.000 It's probably you.

01:42:55.000 Yeah.

01:42:56.000 I really doubt YouTube likes you.

01:42:58.000 They do not.

01:42:59.000 We have had our Odyssey app has been in review at YouTube for seven weeks.

01:43:09.000 And I have some inside, I don't want to say too much, but I know I have good information That it has been sort of flagged to the highest level.

01:43:19.000 I don't know about your experience with Library, but my experience in Mines is whenever there's like technical glitches, very, very, very, 98.9% of the time, it's like a back-end glitch.

01:43:28.000 And people think they're being censored, and they're like freaking out, and I'm like, dude, this is tech, man.

01:43:32.000 We rolled out a new update.

01:43:34.000 Yeah, I mean especially, I mean look, some people are sort of more conspiratorially minded, and so everything is a conspiracy.

01:43:40.000 Yes.

01:43:41.000 All right.

01:43:42.000 I don't know how to read Cyrillic, so I'll just say it like it's not.

01:43:45.000 Tabby says, or Taboo.

01:43:47.000 Oh, okay, that's Taboo.

01:43:48.000 Last night's members show with Jack got pretty heated.

01:43:50.000 Hope you guys were cool after the fact.

01:43:52.000 Now this is the part where I say first time super chat.

01:43:54.000 Oh, yeah, but the two weeks before was even more heated on the show.

01:43:57.000 We debated for like a half hour, went viral.

01:43:59.000 So, oh, yeah, dude, if...

01:44:01.000 If you can't, you know, there's no principle to stand by or you're not standing by your principles if you're not going to get into an actual argument with people that you know and trust and be willing to, like, recognize you disagree on very core issues.

01:44:14.000 That's literally, like, the purpose of what we do here for the most part is Yeah, I disagree with Charlie Kirk when he came and I'm

01:44:20.000 like, wow, I really don't agree with him on this or that issue.

01:44:23.000 But yeah, it's just the way it is. What are you going to do?

01:44:25.000 You're going to get all mad.

01:44:26.000 I think mature responsible adults recognize they're like, man, I really disagree with Jack on those points. Cool,

01:44:31.000 We're looking forward to having him back in a couple weeks when he comes back. This makes me feel like we haven't

01:44:31.000 dude. Great guy.

01:44:35.000 disagreed enough.

01:44:36.000 Yeah, this is just the beginning.

01:44:38.000 Yeah.

01:44:39.000 I think I think my strongest moral foundation is probably liberty, you know?

01:44:39.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 So when it comes to like a lot of issues on government stuff, I'm like, man, we can make a lot of good arguments on that one.

01:44:49.000 And then when it comes to should the government have the authority?

01:44:51.000 And I'm usually like, no, probably not, because they screw things up and kill people, you know?

01:44:56.000 So, yeah, I do think the the crossover we needed most was the Black Lives Matter anti-mandate, you know, protests.

01:45:04.000 Yeah, which, of course, will get zero coverage.

01:45:08.000 It'll get co-opted.

01:45:11.000 Harvey Slayer says, I don't think secession is the answer, necessarily.

01:45:14.000 A seceded state can become more tyrannical than it was before.

01:45:17.000 Take California, for instance.

01:45:18.000 These problems will persist unless people oversee Gov.

01:45:21.000 Operation Moore always hold their feet to the fire.

01:45:23.000 Yeah, but I've been thinking about this.

01:45:25.000 Why should I care how Californians live?

01:45:27.000 It's not tyranny unless you don't like it.

01:45:30.000 That's true.

01:45:31.000 This is, you know, I've gotten heat for saying this, but I think libertarians are the most

01:45:34.000 oppressed minority.

01:45:35.000 I think the most oppressed minority in the country.

01:45:37.000 Because it's not a, if you support what the government does, it's not oppressing.

01:45:41.000 If I want to be whipped, I'm not being oppressed, right?

01:45:46.000 So if you look at how much is any group of people dominated?

01:45:50.000 How much does the government dominate a group of people?

01:45:52.000 How much is it absolutely taking away their right to live the way that they want to?

01:45:57.000 Libertarians are more oppressed than any minority.

01:45:59.000 100%.

01:45:59.000 I agree.

01:46:00.000 Although I have heard the phrase benevolent tyrant.

01:46:03.000 Like sometimes people can dictate through tyranny but do really good stuff with it.

01:46:06.000 There was a guy in ancient Athens that did that.

01:46:06.000 No.

01:46:08.000 Turned Athens into the greatest trade colony in the world.

01:46:08.000 Sure.

01:46:10.000 Sure.

01:46:11.000 And Hugo Chavez, you know, taught people how to... This guy legit walked into this nothing backwoods Athens and turned it into a global...

01:46:17.000 I'm on my way.

01:46:18.000 Hey, George Washington had to act as a tyrant for a short period of time and then he gave up the power.

01:46:23.000 I understand the concept.

01:46:24.000 I'm saying I do not agree with the idea that you can be a benevolent tyrant.

01:46:27.000 You don't think you can dictate by decree and do good things with it?

01:46:30.000 Is there a local restaurant here that you like?

01:46:33.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:46:34.000 that you can be a benevolent tyrant.

01:46:35.000 You don't think you can dictate by decree and do good things with it?

01:46:37.000 Uh, I think you can do good things, but it doesn't make you benevolent.

01:46:41.000 It makes you a tyrant.

01:46:42.000 Is there a local restaurant here that you like?

01:46:44.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:46:45.000 Alright. Do you think they're benevolent to you?

01:46:47.000 Define what you mean by that.

01:46:50.000 Do you view them as benevolently?

01:46:52.000 I'm not trying to, this isn't like a trap.

01:46:53.000 I think there's no right answer to this question.

01:46:55.000 But what do you mean by benevolent in this context?

01:46:57.000 Well, like, in the same way that benevolent would mean, are they kind to you?

01:47:01.000 Are they being good to you?

01:47:03.000 The restaurant?

01:47:04.000 Yeah.

01:47:05.000 I honestly would say...

01:47:10.000 Indeterminate?

01:47:12.000 Look, when you sit down and they're like, hi, thanks for coming, here's your menu, and then say, I'll have the chicken wings, and say okay, and they come back and give you the chicken wings, it's not really an interaction there.

01:47:19.000 Yeah, they might not be benevolent.

01:47:20.000 Because, like, most restaurants are dictatorships.

01:47:22.000 Most companies are dictatorships.

01:47:24.000 And they're serving you.

01:47:25.000 All corporations are basically authoritarian.

01:47:28.000 There are laws stopping companies from doing certain things, but they're not necessarily dictatorships.

01:47:35.000 I mean, there's a trade agreement there.

01:47:37.000 There's a mutual understanding.

01:47:38.000 They're not going to spit in your food, and you're not going to throw it on the floor.

01:47:41.000 Sure, but I mean, like, they're typically owned by a single person or a family.

01:47:46.000 They have complete authority.

01:47:48.000 If they want to kick someone off the property, they can do that.

01:47:49.000 If they want to fire someone, they can do that.

01:47:50.000 They can change the menu the next day.

01:47:52.000 They can make whatever they want.

01:47:53.000 They can change this at all the prices.

01:47:54.000 They decide everything about the weather.

01:47:56.000 Yeah, but you're comparing, like, a government to a building.

01:48:00.000 This defines tyrant as an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution.

01:48:05.000 So it doesn't say anything about good or evil.

01:48:06.000 It's just absolute ruling authority. 0.98

01:48:09.000 The reason why I say you can't be a benevolent tyrant is that there will always be people who say I disagree, and if the tyrant says I'm not constrained and can do whatever I want, he will be crushing and oppressing those people who disagree, even if they disagree for stupid reasons.

01:48:20.000 You can have an individual who is genuinely the smartest, most, uh, the kindest person who says, I know how to solve all the world's problems.

01:48:27.000 And if someone says, I demand my voice be heard, and he says, no, you're wrong. 0.98

01:48:30.000 Shut up. 0.99

01:48:31.000 Tyrant, not benevolent. 0.99

01:48:33.000 Well, what if there's like a hundred people and one guy says, I'm in charge and I need to get us across the river because the wildfire is coming.

01:48:40.000 And one guy goes, no, we need to stay here.

01:48:43.000 And the tyrant says, No, we're going, and takes everyone.

01:48:43.000 Then he can stay.

01:48:47.000 So he saved everyone's life.

01:48:49.000 Yeah, I disagree with that.

01:48:50.000 They would consider him a saint.

01:48:51.000 They would love him and praise him for saving their lives.

01:48:54.000 What are your thoughts on that?

01:48:55.000 It reminds me of the drunk driving hypothetical.

01:48:58.000 So I can say what I'll do, right?

01:48:59.000 So the scenario is like, your friend is extremely- Well, no, no, no.

01:49:03.000 I'm curious, direct answer to what he asked.

01:49:05.000 Is it- There's a hundred people on a shoreline, you know, in front of a river with a wildfire approaching.

01:49:10.000 One man says, we do not cross.

01:49:12.000 He takes him by force across the river.

01:49:14.000 Or he leaves the other 99 and leaves the guy, whatever.

01:49:16.000 I mean, well certainly, I see no reason with taking the 99 and leaving the guy.

01:49:20.000 To be honest, I don't really have a problem with also forcing the guy, in terms of what I do.

01:49:27.000 I don't really think there are very many absolute moral rules.

01:49:30.000 I think they all break down.

01:49:33.000 I think forcing the person is authoritarianism.

01:49:35.000 Sure, but it might be good.

01:49:36.000 It could still be good.

01:49:38.000 But who are you to decide for someone else when they make a decision for their life?

01:49:41.000 I'm not going to go to the mat on this one.

01:49:43.000 I'm fine with leaving them.

01:49:44.000 To use the force of a large crowd on a person who says... You know what's funny is the problem with that circumstance is that it turns out the reason the one guy says don't cross was because the river was full of piranhas.

01:49:55.000 And then he forces them in the river and he gets killed.

01:49:57.000 He'll die.

01:49:58.000 Here's one you might agree with if you don't like that one. 0.97

01:50:01.000 Your friend is extremely drunk.

01:50:04.000 Alright, and he says that, yeah, I'm gonna get in my car and I'm gonna drive home.

01:50:08.000 Drunk is very different.

01:50:09.000 Well, but in other words, you decide to wrestle him to the ground and take his keys and throw him into the woods so he can't drive home.

01:50:15.000 You violated his property rights and you dominated his hair. 1.00

01:50:18.000 Yeah, I disagree.

01:50:19.000 That's absolutely not the same thing.

01:50:20.000 A guy's bleeding on the ground and you're like, if I don't put pressure on the wound, you'll die.

01:50:23.000 Don't you dare touch me! 0.93

01:50:24.000 I'm putting the pressure on the wound.

01:50:25.000 I'm not saying these are exactly the same scenario.

01:50:26.000 Well, if you put, wait, if you put, so that's it.

01:50:28.000 So, alright, the drunk driving one, the idea is that the behavior's creating some externalities, so maybe it's different, but if you put pressure on the wound when the guy says no, how's that different than carrying him across the bridge?

01:50:38.000 You don't know what's in the river.

01:50:39.000 You don't know why he's objecting.

01:50:40.000 And so, you also do have to consider that when someone's... So, there's extreme circumstances where we act in the best of our abilities to, like, legitimately save a life when it's obvious.

01:50:50.000 You know, like, if you are coming across a very complex situation, and one man says, I hereby decree, and you say, no, that's wrong, and he says, shut up, and uses the force of the mob to shut you down, often, you could end up walking into a river full of piranhas, and then you all die.

01:51:06.000 Maybe the guy bleeding to death wants to die because he's about to... Wanting to die is different from saying, I object on these grounds.

01:51:12.000 But you might, the tyrant may know that there's danger, whereas the person who's objecting doesn't know.

01:51:18.000 It's still complex social situations.

01:51:21.000 We cannot create a circumstance in which a tyrant can just say, I'm smarter than you, therefore you must.

01:51:26.000 No, but if they have knowledge that you don't have and there's a dissension... Okay, then let's play the game.

01:51:32.000 99 people come to the river and the one benevolent tyrant says, I know the river is safe, he's wrong, let's force him across. 1.00

01:51:38.000 And then the next time they come across the river, the moron says, I'm in charge! 0.99

01:51:41.000 And then throws everybody off a cliff. 1.00

01:51:43.000 And the guy's like, don't throw me off the cliff, please!

01:51:46.000 And they're like, you do as you're told, and then do it. 1.00

01:51:48.000 So history would write the first guy as a benevolent tyrant, the second guy would be an idiot dictator. 1.00

01:51:51.000 The point is, this is why we don't allow absolute power. 1.00

01:51:55.000 That's why we prevent against it, yeah, because it can go haywire.

01:51:57.000 Because it will go haywire.

01:51:59.000 Well, not always.

01:52:00.000 No, there are definitely instances throughout history of tyranny being very good.

01:52:03.000 It's the exception, not the rule.

01:52:05.000 I agree with that.

01:52:05.000 You create a circumstance where someone can oppress people because they think they're smarter and that is what you will get.

01:52:10.000 Now, if there's an emergency and someone's lying on the ground and they're bleeding and they're like, don't touch me, don't touch me, that happens all the time.

01:52:16.000 And it's like, bro, this is a very different circumstance where we legit know you're bleeding.

01:52:20.000 Or a drunk driver where they're not within their right frame of mind.

01:52:24.000 I don't think you would get the outcome of sort of like evil behavior if there's competition between tyrants.

01:52:32.000 Well, yeah, a tyrant has absolute power.

01:52:33.000 If there's competition, they're not a tyrant.

01:52:35.000 Well, he's talking about a tyrant.

01:52:37.000 I suppose there's still tyrants.

01:52:38.000 Of a city-state.

01:52:39.000 I mean, there's competition in the case of city-states.

01:52:42.000 I think, you know, this is a very specific example, but for the most part, there's always going to be someone who either doesn't understand, who understands better, or quite frankly just refuses to comply.

01:52:54.000 And the idea that a tyrant is going to go to someone who says, I refuse to comply, and says, we're gonna force you, that is not benevolence.

01:53:01.000 It is just someone who has convinced the people he is better for some reason.

01:53:05.000 But sometimes the ignorant person really is making a bad decision, and the tyrant has to correct for that. 0.97

01:53:11.000 You know, the issue is that, it's like the quote I mentioned before, the idea that some people are just stupid so they need smarter people to lead them, but they're basically the same. 0.98

01:53:21.000 There's an average. 0.98

01:53:22.000 Are there smarter people?

01:53:23.000 Sure.

01:53:23.000 Look at all of our leaders.

01:53:24.000 Man, imagine if Joe Biden got dictatorial power and could just demand by edict people be forced to get vaccinated.

01:53:31.000 So there's, and you have all the Democrats saying, what a good leader, and they're cheering for him, saying, that's a benevolent dictator, a benevolent tyrant, and I'm saying, it doesn't matter whether you think you're right or wrong, this should not be allowed, because you're not always right, and often could be wrong, and we need a balance of power.

01:53:48.000 We need to decentralize.

01:53:50.000 Centralized authority, in my opinion, is almost always bad.

01:53:53.000 I'm not big on absolutes because sometimes George Washington needs to say, we have to do this because we're in a war and there are emergencies.

01:54:01.000 Sometimes Abraham Lincoln says, I'm going to do some things that are really awful that we think are still bad to this day.

01:54:06.000 But we're like, man, was slavery just really bad?

01:54:08.000 So we're kind of, we kind of accept that he did bad things.

01:54:11.000 We still will say it was tyrannical.

01:54:14.000 Let's read some more Super Chats because we, uh, gotta read more Super Chats.

01:54:18.000 Mark Neal says, what's the free state view on immigration?

01:54:22.000 Asking as a Canadian who wants to escape and be free.

01:54:24.000 If you are liberty-minded, we want you in New Hampshire regardless where you come from.

01:54:31.000 We obviously don't control federal immigration laws, but also we're not darks, so do what you gotta do. 0.94

01:54:38.000 I know some people who have What's it called when you get married to get into a country?

01:54:43.000 There's like some term for that.

01:54:44.000 Anyway, come and meet a partner.

01:54:46.000 So if you're having trouble getting citizenship, come for a vacation. 0.98

01:54:50.000 Come meet some nice New Hampshire woman or nice New Hampshire man.

01:54:53.000 Your best and your brightest.

01:54:56.000 The TJ Drummer says, Oregonian here, sick of the Pacific Northwest and Democrat control.

01:55:02.000 Wife and I are looking at West Virginia and New Hampshire and would gladly join the Liberty Movement.

01:55:06.000 You see, it's tough.

01:55:07.000 I tell people to go to West Virginia because, you know, we're expanding here.

01:55:10.000 We're bringing people down.

01:55:11.000 We've moved quite a few people out here.

01:55:14.000 But we don't have this grand mission of anything.

01:55:17.000 Like the Free State Project.

01:55:18.000 Although maybe, I would say, maybe we should.

01:55:22.000 But I don't want to take away from New Hampshire, you know what I mean?

01:55:24.000 It would be amazing if there were two of us, though.

01:55:25.000 Like, they can't chop the heads off of all the gophers if they all stand at once.

01:55:28.000 But it would also split the power.

01:55:30.000 If people really want a Free State Project, New Hampshire's the way to go.

01:55:34.000 West Virginia's got its freedoms and we're happy there.

01:55:36.000 Maybe we'll set something up in New Hampshire for the future.

01:55:39.000 Yeah, I don't think it's something you can really dilute.

01:55:41.000 Look, what I'd say, number one thing is come for a visit.

01:55:45.000 Come check it out.

01:55:47.000 Don't window shop the rest of your life.

01:55:50.000 Come inside, try it on, see how you like it.

01:55:54.000 and that's what you should really think of mentally as the next step.

01:55:57.000 You know, look, some people go all the way to Seoul, and that's awesome.

01:56:00.000 And so if you're ready to move tomorrow, get on the plane, we're happy to welcome you.

01:56:03.000 But I think that like the number one thing is to come up for that visit,

01:56:06.000 come check it out and get plugged in and meet the people here.

01:56:08.000 We'll connect, if you have a family, we'll connect you with similar families.

01:56:11.000 Whatever your interests are, we'll connect you with people of similar interests.

01:56:13.000 So if someone was gonna do that, would they get like an Airbnb somewhere?

01:56:16.000 What would you advise?

01:56:17.000 Like where would they go to stay?

01:56:19.000 So we have a FSP.org slash visit has a form.

01:56:22.000 You fill it out.

01:56:23.000 A human being, a real live, real one, not an AI, not a chat bot, a member of the FSP staff, typically a woman named Chris Lopez will reach out to you.

01:56:31.000 She's awesome. 0.83

01:56:32.000 Shout out to Chris.

01:56:33.000 She'll she'll contact you and she'll talk to you.

01:56:37.000 She'll help you plan a trip.

01:56:38.000 She'll learn about you and that kind of thing.

01:56:41.000 Easy times to come are Liberty Forum, which is the first weekend in March, nhlibertyforum.com, Porkfest, the end of June, porkfest.com, but you can come out for a trip anytime.

01:56:51.000 There's events non-stop.

01:56:52.000 There's a calendar at fsp.org slash calendar.

01:56:55.000 There are like four Liberty events a day throughout the state, so there's always stuff going on regardless of when you come.

01:57:01.000 But is there like a Fredama stand?

01:57:03.000 Has someone set up a large acreage where you can just come and hang out and have fun?

01:57:10.000 There's a place called Croydon Farms, which definitely has some vibes to this place where people come in and out of there.

01:57:17.000 They have a farm, they have a bunch of animals, they have regular potluck dinners, and stuff like this.

01:57:23.000 And that's definitely a lot of people, especially people interested in farming and more rural, off-the-grid type living,

01:57:29.000 a lot of people enter the community that way.

01:57:32.000 But people who want to do it more like, urbanly, like, I run an Airbnb.

01:57:36.000 I have three different rooms for libertarians.

01:57:39.000 People are coming, and I do it off Airbnb too, but people come in all the time,

01:57:43.000 and just come in for a visit.

01:57:45.000 I talk to people who are more interested in entrepreneurship and blockchain.

01:57:49.000 I'm not a farmer.

01:57:51.000 So there's all kinds of people, and so that's part of why I don't know you, but if you contact the organization, we'll learn about you and we'll help you figure out what makes sense for you.

01:58:00.000 What we're doing with our Ferdamastan is, it's gonna be... I mean, it's almost 50 acres, so we can set up a shooting range.

01:58:07.000 We're gonna have, like, a biking area.

01:58:08.000 We're gonna be very, very strict with our range.

01:58:10.000 It's not gonna be a very open-to-the-public kind of thing.

01:58:13.000 But we are gonna have... It's gonna be a private space.

01:58:16.000 Mostly invite-only.

01:58:19.000 Only public in the sense that members of TimCats.com might, you know, gain access in certain circumstances when we do events.

01:58:24.000 We're gonna do events and then we'll sell limited, you know, tickets.

01:58:27.000 We could probably accommodate, like, several hundred people.

01:58:29.000 But we're gonna have a big facility with, you know, skateboarding, biking, scooters, blades, all that stuff.

01:58:34.000 We're gonna have a big stage.

01:58:34.000 We're gonna have music.

01:58:36.000 We're gonna have dirt jumps.

01:58:38.000 We have a pond.

01:58:38.000 We're gonna set up all this just cool freedom stuff.

01:58:41.000 And the facility is gonna be like a hackerspace.

01:58:44.000 So we're going to be making drones and blimps.

01:58:46.000 We're going to build gliders.

01:58:48.000 I'll make a flight suit and jump off the building with it or something.

01:58:51.000 Just having fun, experimenting, having a good time.

01:58:54.000 And playing music, playing video games.

01:58:56.000 It's going to be amazing.

01:58:58.000 That sounds sweet.

01:58:58.000 And I think this is the future.

01:59:00.000 Getting together with like-minded people.

01:59:02.000 I think it's a much better way to live.

01:59:05.000 I'm so happy raising my kids in New Hampshire compared to what it would have been like if I was still in Philadelphia.

01:59:11.000 Oh yeah, someone said free Kekistan. 0.98

01:59:14.000 I'll buy a big piece of land and we'll give it to some memers. 1.00

01:59:18.000 Yeah, you might need an embassy, maybe.

01:59:20.000 Maybe you need an embassy.

01:59:22.000 Isn't there like, there's like some small plot of land in Nevada that declared independence and the federal government just was like...

01:59:27.000 Yeah.

01:59:27.000 Get out of here.

01:59:28.000 That's actually what makes the federal, you know, if you don't like it, leave, is a valid principle.

01:59:32.000 Like, if there's actually this competition for government.

01:59:35.000 The governments don't follow their own rules.

01:59:36.000 You know, we saw it with Liberland, we saw it with Sealand, if people know the story of Sealand, where they knocked this island off, but violated all the rules.

01:59:45.000 And they do it, you know, so when people try to start something new, the governments get together and they shut it down.

01:59:50.000 And there is effectively- The Sharana.

01:59:52.000 It's awesome.

01:59:54.000 You want to know why government's so bad?

01:59:55.000 Imagine if we went back in time to like 1900 and we said all the restaurants in existence, that's it.

02:00:00.000 There's no one's allowed to ever start a new restaurant.

02:00:02.000 The existing chains can continue to operate, but that's it.

02:00:05.000 There will never be a new one.

02:00:06.000 Like, would restaurants be good today?

02:00:08.000 No.

02:00:09.000 Doubtful.

02:00:10.000 And that's what happened with government.

02:00:12.000 The beauty of America is it was this new thing.

02:00:15.000 It was an experiment.

02:00:16.000 It was people putting their own skin in the game to come and try a different way of living.

02:00:19.000 And it was better than everything that came before and it was so good that Europe copied it.

02:00:26.000 That other people copied what happened in America.

02:00:28.000 And that's what we want to happen again, is people getting together, putting their skin in the game, saying, let's try a new and better way to live, and then if it works, people will copy us.

02:00:37.000 We'll do one more.

02:00:39.000 Garhent says, please have Ian do the political compass.

02:00:42.000 He's the millennial authoritarian who says they aren't.

02:00:44.000 He doesn't like New Hampshire seceding, and now he wants a computer program to rule a state.

02:00:50.000 It's long-haired Stalin plus herbs. 0.73

02:00:52.000 You misrepresent it.

02:00:52.000 I don't want it to rule the state.

02:00:54.000 I want it to advise the governor.

02:00:56.000 Also, I think secession is dangerous, so I'm wargaming the potentialities of mismanaging something like that.

02:01:02.000 I'm not against creating new states of union, though.

02:01:08.000 Alright, let's see.

02:01:09.000 We'll do one more.

02:01:10.000 We'll do two more.

02:01:10.000 Stephen D Parker Jr. says Tim I am a teacher not far from you our vax minute

02:01:14.000 goes in November 1st. One creepy rule is that unvaxed must register with the

02:01:19.000 County Health Department. Wow. William Barger I am a New Hampshire native, Mises Caucus guy, LP member, TimCast listener for years.

02:01:28.000 New Hampshire is the best.

02:01:30.000 You'll be blown away when you see how many Libertarians are here and really plug into the community.

02:01:34.000 Come visit and see.

02:01:36.000 Let's go.

02:01:37.000 Let's go.

02:01:38.000 I think we'll have to set up our like New Hampshire campus and start experimenting as well.

02:01:42.000 Totally in the realm of possibility.

02:01:43.000 You want to do a, can you do road trips to Porkfest or something like that?

02:01:48.000 Where exactly is Porkfest held?

02:01:50.000 It's about two hours north of Manchester.

02:01:52.000 So if we can get land near that area, so we can set up a production facility, we can actually just schedule the show for a New Hampshire site and then go there.

02:02:01.000 There's a space that we could give you to use as a studio for when you're there.

02:02:05.000 We'd have to build something and have something static and people working there, maintaining the property, making the equipment, make sure it's safe and all that stuff.

02:02:11.000 Gotcha.

02:02:11.000 Well, the space is set up for that.

02:02:13.000 It's at a campsite where it's like, so like, basically, you can actually literally buy a lot.

02:02:17.000 That's the trickiest part.

02:02:19.000 Well, they got Starlink in upstate New York now.

02:02:21.000 Yeah.

02:02:21.000 So that's active.

02:02:22.000 And, you know, maybe we'll have to test that out.

02:02:23.000 It's fast enough.

02:02:24.000 But we'll see.

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02:02:36.000 It was an hour and a half.

02:02:37.000 It was a long conversation.

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02:02:39.000 The man is out of control.

02:02:40.000 He is a powerful entity who will speak and there's nothing anyone can do to stop him.

02:02:45.000 But it was great.

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02:03:49.000 So I started telling people, I'm like, it takes like five minutes, because that's more believable.

02:03:53.000 But it's very, very easy.

02:03:55.000 You click one button, it brings over your entire show.

02:03:57.000 Wow.

02:03:57.000 It's incredible.

02:03:58.000 Mines does that too.

02:03:59.000 Ongoing, not just the past.

02:04:01.000 It will bring over your future content.

02:04:02.000 Awesome.

02:04:03.000 Thanks for coming, man.

02:04:04.000 Great stuff.

02:04:04.000 Thanks, this was awesome.

02:04:05.000 Ian Crossland, peace out.

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