Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Democrats Seek To STOP RFK Following Hit Piece w- Libby Emmons

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00:00:47.000 Tim wasn't doing so well.

00:00:49.000 He's been struggling.

00:00:50.000 So we sent him off to a farm where he's gonna run around with all of the other beanied journalists all day long and he's gonna have a great time. 0.98

00:00:59.000 Well, you know, Tim's been getting a little older and he's not able to skateboard as much as he liked to.

00:01:04.000 As easily.

00:01:05.000 So, as easily, yes.

00:01:06.000 We just want him to be around people who can help him and take care of him.

00:01:09.000 Yeah.

00:01:10.000 What, so it's like a, like a farm where people take, he's like on a farm with other farmers?

00:01:15.000 No, he's on a farm with other journalists and they're all running around and having a fun time wearing their beanies.

00:01:19.000 Are they writing articles?

00:01:20.000 Uh, yeah, absolutely.

00:01:22.000 If they want to, they can.

00:01:23.000 But I think they're having so much fun skateboarding, they don't need to.

00:01:26.000 And sometimes, when you go to a fun farm, he may want to stay there for a minute.

00:01:31.000 What, longer than a week?

00:01:36.000 We don't want to promise anything right now, buddy.

00:01:37.000 Nah, what kind of farm?

00:01:39.000 We'll probably get into it in a bit, but he's okay.

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00:01:45.000 Well, thanks.

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00:01:48.000 Ladies and gentlemen, tonight's stories, the Democrats are denouncing RFK after the New York Post has accused him of anti-Semitism.

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00:03:10.000 Libby, how are you doing tonight?

00:03:11.000 I'm doing good, Seamus.

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00:03:13.000 Yeah.

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00:03:19.000 Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.

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00:03:26.000 Yeah, Postmillennial Human Events.

00:03:27.000 Very excited to be here, yeah.

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00:03:33.000 I was just there.

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00:03:34.000 What's up, Tim?

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00:03:36.000 What's happening, homie? 1.00

00:03:37.000 I'm hearing vibration through my headset, but you guys said you're not.

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00:03:44.000 Yo, I just started my workout today.

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00:03:50.000 Well, I don't want to spoil it, but basically I'm doing a body transformation for the music video, and I was hitting the gym hard, and I'm doing protein.

00:03:58.000 I've got to eat 2,800 calories a day now.

00:04:00.000 I went from like 1,000 calories.

00:04:02.000 I was eating like 1,000.

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00:04:05.000 Yeah, what's wrong?

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00:04:37.000 All right, so tonight's first story, RFK has been slammed as anti-Semitic for a claim he made that there's a conversation that needs to be had surrounding some allegations that COVID is more likely to, in fact, or is more likely to result in mortality among certain ethnic groups.

00:04:56.000 So we can watch this video right now, and then we'll talk about what some of the people in the press are saying about him.

00:05:04.000 Ooh, actually, do you think YouTube might get mad at us if we play this whole thing?

00:05:07.000 Why?

00:05:07.000 They're censoring this Christmas?

00:05:08.000 No, I don't think so.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, alright, we'll play it.

00:05:10.000 You hearing that?

00:05:12.000 No, I'm not getting any audio.

00:05:13.000 Alright, well, it's not coming through the audio.

00:05:15.000 While we get that working, um, we're just gonna... Well, we could talk about it.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, we're just gonna explain this.

00:05:19.000 So, basically, RFK said, as I mentioned, and he wasn't even saying that he necessarily believed that this was the case, but he's saying that there needs to be a conversation surrounding the fact That according to him, certain studies are showing that COVID does seem to disproportionately affect certain people.

00:05:34.000 And he was claiming that the effect that it's having on people is based on genetic factors that are linked to ethnic or racial background.

00:05:42.000 Now, I find it very interesting that the left is losing their minds about this because they were actually saying very similar things about COVID during the pandemic.

00:05:48.000 Yes, this was early on.

00:05:50.000 The CDC was saying that COVID had a greater impact on black and brown communities, right?

00:05:54.000 They were saying this specifically. 0.50

00:05:56.000 They were saying, too, that if you were not taking COVID precautions, you were not only killing grandmas, but you were racist.

00:06:02.000 Yeah.

00:06:02.000 Because you weren't paying enough attention.

00:06:04.000 And I think it's interesting because they also made this a justification for allowing people of color to take the vaccine first.

00:06:12.000 So this was a whole lot of affirmative action style policies surrounding COVID, the implementation of treatment, all of these things.

00:06:21.000 And now you're not allowed to say that?

00:06:22.000 Well, exactly.

00:06:23.000 I mean, they were constantly claiming that the African-American community, particularly the black community, is being disproportionately affected by COVID.

00:06:29.000 And because of this, we needed to be sure that they got the vaccines first.

00:06:32.000 And so RFK, he's saying something a bit different because he is outwardly making the claim that this is based on genetic predisposition, not necessarily cultural factors, but I don't even know if he's making that claim, or if he's just saying that is a claim we have to investigate.

00:06:43.000 Exactly, but what happens when we listen to this, and if you listen to him talking, he starts it off with saying, there's an argument that, and then he starts talking that, this does this, and this does this, and if you take it out of context, it sounds like he's saying, this does this, and this does this, but he preempts it with, there's an argument that there are like genetic bioweapons, basically.

00:07:00.000 And there's even a news week.

00:07:03.000 In fact, it's Newsweek, so maybe we can pull up the Pentagon making race-specific bioweapons to target citizens.

00:07:09.000 China says, according to Newsweek, China's making the claim that the Pentagon's doing race-specific bioweapons.

00:07:14.000 And this is as recent as May 11th of 2023.

00:07:18.000 Yeah.

00:07:19.000 Well, and when I saw the... So, RFK put up this long thread on Twitter saying, the New York Post is taking me out of context.

00:07:26.000 They are misrepresenting what I've said.

00:07:29.000 Here is a specific link to a study.

00:07:30.000 Here is what I meant by this.

00:07:32.000 And he ultimately demanded that they issue an apology because he feels like... Do you know if they did?

00:07:37.000 Did they?

00:07:38.000 The story is still up and I haven't seen any apology listed.

00:07:40.000 No correction at all?

00:07:41.000 No correction as far as I could see, or at least acknowledged correction.

00:07:45.000 And again, Some of this is maybe they are making an editorial decision.

00:07:49.000 I'm sure you can speak to this.

00:07:51.000 Well, our reporter took this quote and well, what's interesting too is if you look at the headline and you look at the story, they don't really match.

00:08:00.000 So it seems like I know John Levine wrote the story.

00:08:03.000 I wonder if John Levine wrote the headline or if someone else wrote that headline.

00:08:07.000 I know you guys are in a newsroom, right?

00:08:09.000 We have people doing graphics, we have people doing headlines, we have people writing stories, and the graphic, the headline, and the story could all come from completely different people on the same team.

00:08:19.000 And it's all sort of blurbs.

00:08:20.000 You're saying like, oh, this is what it's about.

00:08:22.000 I think it's interesting to me, my first instinct when I see these kinds of conflicts is to say like, wow, RFK really has them on the ropes.

00:08:30.000 They do not like this guy's perspective.

00:08:33.000 I mean, this is them really starting to launch into the Trump treatment of RFK. 0.91

00:08:37.000 So for a while they were saying, he's a quack, he's spreading misinformation, he's a huckster, he's trying to sell snake oil and fool people about the medical science for his own personal gain.

00:08:46.000 The typical kind of stuff you hear about anyone who gets labeled a conspiracy theorist by the establishment. 0.94

00:08:50.000 But now they're actually moving into this guy's racist territory, right?

00:08:53.000 They're openly referring to him as an anti-Semite simply because he said he wanted to have a discussion.

00:08:58.000 about the degree to which COVID seems to have affected different populations.

00:09:02.000 Now, of course, the left was very comfortable having the conversation about the effects COVID had on different populations, again, in 2020, in 2021, when they claimed it was disproportionately affecting the African American community, the black community.

00:09:13.000 Well, if there's anyone who can recognize anti-Semitism, it should be the people on the Democrat side, because they are really anti-Semitic in a lot of cases.

00:09:22.000 Pramila Jayapal came out the other day and was saying that Israel is a racist state, You have Ilhan Omar, who is decidedly anti-Semitic.

00:09:32.000 It seems to be, in a lot of cases, what the Democrats accuse other people of doing is the thing that they are doing themselves.

00:09:40.000 All the time.

00:09:40.000 Well, all the time.

00:09:41.000 And there's another element to this which is really important that I want to flag.

00:09:44.000 They're using this term, bioweapon.

00:09:47.000 They're saying, He's a conspiracy theorist.

00:09:49.000 He's saying COVID is a bioweapon and this is a term that people will generally associate with conspiracy theory and because it's so bombastic, it sounds frightening.

00:09:57.000 But according to Sir Francis Boyle, the American author of the American implementing legislation of the International Bioweapons Convention, Anything created through gain-of-function research is a bioweapon.

00:10:09.000 This is the legal definition.

00:10:10.000 So if it's created through gain-of-function research, which many of these institutions are now acknowledging, given that they're saying lab leak hypothesis is more than likely, then it is a bioweapon.

00:10:19.000 That's not a controversial claim.

00:10:20.000 That's literally what the law says.

00:10:22.000 That's literally what the man who wrote the law has said about it.

00:10:25.000 And what the left has done is, guess what?

00:10:27.000 Labeled him a conspiracy theorist.

00:10:28.000 Even though he's literally the person who is responsible for implementing that legislation and writing around it, and they're saying, he's a lawyer, not an epidemiologist, how can he be saying it's a biological weapon?

00:10:38.000 Well, because whether something's a biological weapon is not a question of epidemiology, it's a question of law, and he literally wrote the thing.

00:10:45.000 This is something that's bothering me right now.

00:10:47.000 So I'm looking at the New York Times article titled Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:10:50.000 airs bigoted new COVID conspiracy theory about Jews and Chinese.

00:10:54.000 Is that the article in question?

00:10:55.000 I haven't read the article yet.

00:10:56.000 No, it's a New York Post article.

00:10:57.000 A New York Post.

00:10:58.000 Okay.

00:10:59.000 All these, it looks like these other, Other outlets are picking up the claim.

00:11:03.000 It's like a game of telephone.

00:11:04.000 And to be fair, you could see it all over Twitter too.

00:11:06.000 Everyone starts coming out saying that RFK is racist and anti-semitic and hateful and all of these kinds of things.

00:11:13.000 It really was this classic snowball effect where you have, you know, one headline drove everything.

00:11:21.000 A lot of the people who are talking about this story, I wonder if they even read the article or watched the interview or just ran with the headline.

00:11:27.000 I'm looking at The Guardian now.

00:11:28.000 The White House is now chiming in on it.

00:11:31.000 So it's not just news organizations.

00:11:32.000 His sister condemned this statement.

00:11:34.000 But this is the thing that's interesting about RFK's role in his own family.

00:11:38.000 From the get-go, he was the media's favorite new conspiracy theorist.

00:11:42.000 The day that he announced, that was one of the first things that came out.

00:11:45.000 He questions vaccines.

00:11:46.000 He's a conspiracy theorist.

00:11:47.000 And regardless of the fact that you don't necessarily have to take medical advice from a politician, I understand that.

00:11:53.000 It is interesting that this was the brand they were going to use to hurt his campaign from the beginning, and now they're just sort of going back and trying to find more evidence of this.

00:12:04.000 And that's why I think it's an important conversation to have.

00:12:06.000 Was this quote accurately represented in the article?

00:12:10.000 Is he referring to a study?

00:12:12.000 Is he himself promoting false information?

00:12:15.000 Because if you don't know that, it's easy to then assume he is in fact this deranged person, right?

00:12:22.000 How quickly we forget everything.

00:12:24.000 We forget the beginning of COVID.

00:12:25.000 We forget all of these conspiracy theories that, as they were called, about the lab leak and everything else that have proven out.

00:12:34.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:12:34.000 That have proven to be true.

00:12:36.000 Absolutely.

00:12:37.000 Well, there's another element to this too.

00:12:38.000 There's a couple things I want to mention here.

00:12:40.000 Firstly, this strikes me As RFK having his Jewish space lasers moment?

00:12:45.000 So for those who don't know, Marjorie Taylor Greene is constantly slandered as having said there are these Jewish space lasers.

00:12:52.000 It's total nonsense.

00:12:53.000 Before she was ever elected to office, she made a very long Facebook post where she was saying things which, by the way, I'm not defending, I don't agree with, but she was basically saying that she thought that forest fires were started She basically floated the question they may have been started by a satellite which was funded by organizations that people claim it is anti-semitic to criticize.

00:13:15.000 It's basically the equivalent of saying, oh, if you say something negative about George Soros, you're an anti-semitic conspiracy theorist.

00:13:20.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene never, ever, ever said the Jewish space lasers thing. 0.76

00:13:24.000 It's complete nonsense.

00:13:25.000 Even left-wing fact-checkers have said that that's not exactly true. 0.93

00:13:28.000 They've given it a mixed factuality rating, which is ridiculous, because it is totally false.

00:13:33.000 But when you read their rationale, they say, well, no, she never said there were Jewish space lasers. 0.82

00:13:36.000 She just said that this space satellite that was funded by groups that anti-Semites don't

00:13:41.000 like might have started the fire.

00:13:44.000 So I guess my point is this is another example of the media and the left-wing establishment

00:13:49.000 seeing somebody as a threat and wanting to take everything they're saying totally out

00:13:52.000 of context.

00:13:53.000 And I got to be honest, I've mentioned that I think RFK has problems.

00:13:57.000 There's a lot I don't agree with him on.

00:13:59.000 Obviously, I'm a conservative, so I'm not going to agree with him on quite a lot.

00:14:04.000 But I felt similarly about Trump.

00:14:06.000 I'm not saying I'll ever support RFK.

00:14:08.000 I could never support a pro-choice candidate.

00:14:09.000 But I remember when Trump first came out of the scene, I remember thinking, I'm not a huge fan of this guy.

00:14:13.000 And then I saw who his enemies were and what they were saying about him and how they were smearing him.

00:14:17.000 And I began to warm up to him.

00:14:19.000 So the media is playing a very dangerous game if their goal is to get people to hate RFK.

00:14:24.000 Because the American people know at this point that if you're an enemy of the press, you're a friend of the people.

00:14:28.000 Yeah, I think that's so true.

00:14:29.000 Well, and if you're an enemy of the Democrats, you're probably a friend of the people too.

00:14:33.000 I've got the feeling that like these organizations, somebody, maybe somewhere actually saw it out of context and was like, he said these things and then they printed it.

00:14:41.000 And then whether or not they believe they were going to get them out of context and make stuff, maybe they're making stuff up maliciously.

00:14:46.000 Maybe they actually thought it, but I think that then the White House and the people in the O'Biden camp.

00:14:51.000 I think we should call it the O'Biden camp.

00:14:54.000 Let's just, let's go with it.

00:14:56.000 He's our biggest threat.

00:14:57.000 He's obviously gonna win the presidency if he's not slandered and stopped.

00:15:01.000 And he's the biggest threat to the medical, pharmaceutical... Do you think he has a chance of winning the presidency?

00:15:05.000 Well, Michelle Obama apparently is gonna run, so no.

00:15:07.000 What about Gavin Newsom?

00:15:09.000 He seems to be making a little noise.

00:15:10.000 He'll probably be Michelle's VP, probably, I think.

00:15:11.000 You think so?

00:15:12.000 I think, if Michelle runs, Newsom won't stand a chance.

00:15:15.000 Does Michelle Obama have any more qualifications than Hillary Clinton did? 1.00

00:15:18.000 I think she has less.

00:15:19.000 I think she actually has less, to be honest.

00:15:21.000 She wasn't even Secretary of State.

00:15:22.000 Yeah.

00:15:22.000 I think she has less.

00:15:24.000 Part of her whole qualification, right, is being first lady. 1.00

00:15:26.000 She's really cool.

00:15:27.000 She's really personable.

00:15:28.000 From knowing Obama.

00:15:30.000 There are a lot of... Compared to Hillary. 1.00

00:15:31.000 Isn't she like anti-fat people, though? 1.00

00:15:34.000 Remember her whole... Oh, get out and move! 1.00

00:15:35.000 Yeah, let's grow healthy people, I think is the way.

00:15:39.000 I think that... Sorry.

00:15:40.000 No, it's okay.

00:15:41.000 I think it's interesting because, you're right, there are lots of cool, nice things, people in the world.

00:15:45.000 That doesn't mean they all should be president.

00:15:46.000 But with RFK, I think the biggest threat is not necessarily that he would win as a Democrat.

00:15:50.000 It's that he would run as a third party and siphon Votes away.

00:15:53.000 I mean, a la Ross Perot, right?

00:15:54.000 I'd love to see it.

00:15:55.000 I would love to see it.

00:15:57.000 I read some headline that Joe Manchin is exploring a third party campaign.

00:16:00.000 I don't know if that's true at all.

00:16:02.000 But that is actually the biggest problem for Democrats right now, because their own base is not really sure what to make of them, right?

00:16:09.000 A third party candidate in our system is actually dangerous, not because they could win the White House, but because they could take away from the base of one of these two parties.

00:16:16.000 Exactly, and so I would actually argue in many ways the left-wing press is more afraid of RFK than they are of Trump, just in the sense that we know they kind of wanted to prop Trump up.

00:16:24.000 At least some of them did for their quote-unquote Pied Piper strategy.

00:16:27.000 We learned this from the email leaks we got from the Clinton campaign.

00:16:31.000 The truth is that They think that they can beat Trump.

00:16:36.000 I'm not saying that's true, but they believe they can.

00:16:39.000 They have no idea what to do with RFK.

00:16:41.000 They really are afraid.

00:16:43.000 And they're also afraid of him changing the status quo of the Democratic Party.

00:16:45.000 One of Trump's accomplishments, one of the things you absolutely cannot take away from him, is he pushed all the neocons and the warhawks out of the Republican Party, or at least the majority of them.

00:16:52.000 Well, he didn't really.

00:16:53.000 A lot of them are in their Congress saying that we need to have more funding for Ukraine. 0.99

00:16:57.000 Yes, some of them are, but like he pushed Liz Cheney out, he definitely changed the status quo, he made it clear that there was a massive base of Republican voters who were not going to go for that crap. 0.56

00:17:05.000 The entire Republican establishment or the vast majority of Republican politicians who are popular are speaking out against intervening in Ukraine.

00:17:14.000 So a lot has changed in the Republican Party with respect to the messaging on warfare because of Trump.

00:17:18.000 Isn't it really just the Freedom Caucus people?

00:17:20.000 Well, I think they're afraid that RFK is basically going to do something similar to the Democratic Party, where he's going to make it a more hostile environment for people who support those kinds of policies.

00:17:29.000 Is RFK a populist?

00:17:31.000 I don't know if I'd go that far, but I think there is something to be said for him being a little bit more in that direction than anyone else in the Democratic Party.

00:17:37.000 How would you define populist?

00:17:38.000 Is he on the level of Trump?

00:17:40.000 I don't know.

00:17:41.000 But yeah, it's an interesting question.

00:17:43.000 How do you define populist?

00:17:44.000 Isn't a populist someone who listens to the people as opposed to trying to do top-down strategy and top-down policy approaches?

00:17:51.000 someone who wants to do what the people want to do.

00:17:53.000 Well, you know, every political leader claims that, but I would argue that populism is probably

00:17:58.000 more of a strategy than anything else. It's trying to appeal to people. It's pointing to the elite

00:18:02.000 and saying these people who have pretended to care about you are actually only out for themselves,

00:18:06.000 or they're incompetent and they're not actually going to be able to save you. And so you need

00:18:10.000 to select somebody like me, who is a man of the people who will fight for you, basically.

00:18:13.000 I can't tell with Robert F. Kennedy if he's a populist or not, because he's in with all those

00:18:18.000 Maybe not all those people, I don't know how tight he is with Biden and Obama, but he's a Kennedy. 0.64

00:18:22.000 So he was raised in that world and he knows all those people.

00:18:26.000 I wonder if he'd release, finally, the redacted report on the Kennedy assassination.

00:18:33.000 You know how Trump didn't release it?

00:18:36.000 Biden, Clinton, whatever his name is.

00:18:39.000 Biden didn't release it.

00:18:41.000 Would RFK release it?

00:18:42.000 Yeah, it's an interesting question.

00:18:45.000 In the JFK, you know, conspiracy theory is actually probably the most popular one that we have any polling data on.

00:18:52.000 At one point, 90% of the American public believed some kind of conspiracy was at play.

00:18:56.000 In fact, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations, which was formed in The 1970s, 1976 I believe, ended up saying that there was some kind of conspiracy.

00:19:06.000 They didn't say it was the CIA or the Russians or anything like that, but it's interesting because in contrast to the Warren Report, which is the government document that says there was no conspiracy, we actually have another document produced by the United States government which says there was some kind of conspiracy.

00:19:19.000 Even though they don't name names, even though they don't say this is who we think did it, they do say there was probably something at play that people aren't being informed of.

00:19:24.000 It's so funny to officially say there was no conspiracy, because like, how do you know?

00:19:28.000 You can't know everything.

00:19:30.000 We reviewed ourselves and we say we did everything right.

00:19:32.000 Don't ask any more questions.

00:19:34.000 Well, one thing that I think RFK really did effectively here is he pushed back against the media and he actually demanded an apology.

00:19:41.000 So that's the kind of energy that we see.

00:19:43.000 I think that was positive.

00:19:45.000 And that's the energy we need to see from more candidates.

00:19:47.000 So I appreciate that.

00:19:49.000 And I think that more Democrats who are positioning themselves against the establishment, or maybe to put it this way, who the establishment is positioning itself against, need to take that attitude.

00:19:59.000 Don't bend the knee to these people.

00:20:01.000 Obviously I'm on the right, obviously I'm gonna vote Republican, but whenever an anti-establishment candidate rises up in a party and ends up pushing them away from the kind of big government, welfare, warfare, state status quo, I'm happy about that.

00:20:16.000 Interesting.

00:20:17.000 I find that I want to hear a Democrat criticize RFK without conspiracy theorists in their world.

00:20:24.000 Like, what specifically are you mad at him about?

00:20:26.000 Use a policy.

00:20:27.000 But that is what they're mad at him about.

00:20:28.000 That's all they have, though.

00:20:29.000 That's what I find so fascinating.

00:20:31.000 They aren't able to use any evidence.

00:20:33.000 They're not able to attack his platform.

00:20:35.000 They just have to go for these, like, very racially charged, you know, But that's their whole playbook, right?

00:20:45.000 They set somebody up, they say that they're a problem with their racial views or what have you, and that's what they do, and that's how they take people down.

00:20:52.000 You can even see that with their attacks on Ron DeSantis, right?

00:20:56.000 You have Joy Reid coming out and all of these others saying that Ron DeSantis is more dangerous than Trump, that he's more racist, more LGBT anti or whatever than Trump, all of this kind of stuff.

00:21:09.000 So whoever it is that is a threat to the establishment power is going to be attacked with the exact same insults and the exact same smears.

00:21:19.000 And what I think is really fascinating, I keep looking, so I grew up relatively liberal, right, in Massachusetts.

00:21:26.000 Catholic, so I was pro-life, but used to be able to be pro-life and liberal and pro-labor and pro-life and liberal.

00:21:32.000 That was like There is still a collection of pro-life Democrats.

00:21:37.000 They just are like, why did you leave us behind?

00:21:38.000 What happened?

00:21:39.000 What happened?

00:21:41.000 But so when you, there were all of these things like question authority, right?

00:21:47.000 Speak truth to power.

00:21:48.000 All of these very standard things that Democrats and leftists would say.

00:21:54.000 And now they refuse to realize that they are the establishment.

00:21:57.000 They are the ones in power.

00:21:59.000 These are the views that are You know, taking charge that are shaping the country and they still act like they are oppressed.

00:22:07.000 You have Joe Biden going out there like saying basically that the LGBT community is oppressed, but their flag was at the White House, bigger than the American flags.

00:22:17.000 You know, he goes out and speaks more about transitioning kids than he does about what people actually need in this country. 0.53

00:22:25.000 Absolutely.

00:22:26.000 And speaking of transitioning kids, Gays Against Groomers recently did a sting operation where they had somebody pretending to be a 14-year-old girl, claiming to be trans, call Planned Parenthood, who then referred her to a community healthcare network for help, and they proceeded to tell her that they would give her information on obtaining certain Treatments, despite her being underage, she said, I don't want my parents to find out about this.

00:22:56.000 We will play some... Do you guys remember being 14?

00:23:00.000 Yeah, vaguely.

00:23:02.000 You didn't want your parents to find out about anything, that you thought about anything.

00:23:05.000 Please knock.

00:23:06.000 Yes.

00:23:07.000 You better knock or you might see me fill in a blank.

00:23:10.000 Oh boy, oh boy.

00:23:10.000 And then they started knocking.

00:23:12.000 We have this moment here from, again, the footage that Gays Against Groomers has posted to Twitter, where the person impersonating a 14-year-old tells the people at the organization that Planned Parenthood referred her to that she is a minor, that she doesn't want her parents to find out, and this is what they say.

00:23:34.000 Okay, just give me one moment.

00:23:37.000 Finding anything?

00:23:38.000 Hold on.

00:23:40.000 And you're sure my mom won't find out?

00:23:43.000 Yeah.

00:23:44.000 Code Cindy is when, um, we have to put labels on your chart. 0.92

00:23:47.000 So as soon as I make this chart, it's going to be contact by phone only.

00:23:52.000 And then it's just going to be the number you give me.

00:23:54.000 I'm going to put no mail for your address and then that's it.

00:23:57.000 If anyone ever calls for you, um, we can't disclose any information if it's not you.

00:24:03.000 Okay.

00:24:04.000 Cause I'm, I'm underage.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, understood.

00:24:09.000 But we help underage patients receive care that they need and want as long as, you know, it's not harmful to oneself.

00:24:16.000 We try to help you out the best we can.

00:24:19.000 Okay.

00:24:20.000 I'm so nervous.

00:24:20.000 My palms are sweating.

00:24:23.000 I got you.

00:24:24.000 But the only thing is right now I'm already at the end of August looking and I'm not getting any appointments.

00:24:30.000 Alright so you guys get the picture here basically this person's underage they're saying they don't want their parents to know about the treatment that they're seeking out and this person is saying don't worry we won't tell them it's a code Cindy.

00:24:41.000 Now I want to point something out because I'm sure a lot of apologists for Planned Parenthood are going to make the claim That this wasn't Planned Parenthood saying that she should do this, they were just referring her.

00:24:52.000 Which is kind of an interesting point, because Planned Parenthood has claimed for decades that they perform mammograms and give women mammograms, when they actually don't have a single mammogram on site at any of their clinics, they just refer women to clinics where they can get them.

00:25:08.000 But of course we know they're going to embrace that double standard and say, No, we weren't actually providing any of this care.

00:25:14.000 We were just telling this person where we could get or where they could get it.

00:25:18.000 That said, maybe they bite the bullet and they say this is affirming care.

00:25:21.000 They absolutely needed it.

00:25:22.000 It's abusive and horrible not to give it to them.

00:25:25.000 I also wonder if this organization that she was referred to is going to say, oh, well, when we said we wanted to give her medical care, We're just talking about, like, medical care that's necessary for her life, which is a dodge that they usually use in order to not acknowledge that they're giving these children hormones that stunt their development to groom them on a path towards mutilation.

00:25:45.000 Yeah, I mean, the Planned Parenthood, at the beginning of the recording, refers this person, who's obviously an adult, posing as a 14-year-old, to the Community Healthcare Network.

00:25:54.000 The Community Healthcare Network, when This person asks, like, I need help.

00:25:58.000 He's like, what do you want specifically?

00:25:59.000 Like, I just want help.

00:26:00.000 I want, you know, help.

00:26:03.000 And he's the operator specifically brings up hormone therapy.

00:26:08.000 So they are all aware of what a minor who identifies as transgender may possibly be seeking out or they're aware of what specifically to offer.

00:26:17.000 They do mention mental health care as one of the services they provide.

00:26:20.000 They also mention medical intervention in the form of hormones.

00:26:24.000 And I find it interesting that we would have anyone trying to deny this, right?

00:26:31.000 Like, why, when you have this kind of recording, wouldn't you just double down on, like, well, we're supposed to be doing this?

00:26:37.000 Like, this is where this kind of logic falls apart to me.

00:26:40.000 Well, that's what happens, right?

00:26:41.000 First they say, we're not doing it.

00:26:43.000 Then they say, we are doing it, and it's good.

00:26:46.000 A similar thing happened when Libs of TikTok called, I forget what the name of the hospital was, but it was a children's hospital.

00:26:53.000 This was last summer in Washington DC.

00:26:56.000 Boston was the first thing and that whole thing was very interesting because we did some, Post Millennial did some reporting about what was going on at Boston Children's Hospital.

00:27:04.000 We had the intake forms, we had the forms that said vaginoplasty would be performed on young men at the age of 17.

00:27:13.000 We had these on The actual documentation from Boston Children's Hospital, the one for young women to have phalloplasties, right, was at 18.

00:27:27.000 However, you could get it at 18, which means that there was prep prior to that, probably.

00:27:33.000 Exactly, before you could consent.

00:27:35.000 Right.

00:27:35.000 And so what was interesting about that was LibSivTikTok posted that Boston Children's Hospital was doing hysterectomies on minors.

00:27:41.000 And that's what everyone got slammed for, was that she was saying that.

00:27:46.000 We don't have evidence that they weren't necessarily doing that.

00:27:48.000 We only have their word, but they also scrubbed their site.

00:27:51.000 Anyway, so after that, Lips of TikTok, Chaya, she called the Washington Children's Hospital.

00:27:58.000 She posed Very, very obviously and transparently, actually, if I remember correctly, as a mom seeking to get, you know, sex change for her underage child. 0.99

00:28:12.000 And she had a similar experience.

00:28:13.000 She ended up reaching, essentially, the phone answering person who said, yes, we do that.

00:28:19.000 Right?

00:28:19.000 Who said, like, yes, we can take care of that.

00:28:21.000 We could do, I believe it was a double mastectomy kind of stuff like that. 0.58

00:28:27.000 And now we have another situation like that.

00:28:30.000 And again, this will come out where they're going to say that this is a good thing to do.

00:28:35.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:28:36.000 Because gender drugs are life-saving. 1.00

00:28:38.000 And it's a manipulation of language.

00:28:40.000 We had a mom actually pose, this was like a year or so ago, getting involved with the Trevor Project, posing as a 15-year-old.

00:28:50.000 with gender dysphoria.

00:28:52.000 And the same thing happened.

00:28:53.000 The mom was, as being posing as this 15-year-old girl, the mom was referred to all of these services to get more gender medical services. 1.00

00:29:05.000 And when she tried to, at another instance, when she tried to get information on detransitioning, The Trevor Project was decidedly unhelpful and said things like, are you sure that you want to detransition?

00:29:19.000 This sounds like internalized transphobia.

00:29:22.000 Yep, that's exactly right.

00:29:23.000 So a person can't be, like, groomed into becoming trans. 0.89

00:29:26.000 There's no social contagion there, even though even WPATH admits there is.

00:29:31.000 But when somebody detransitions, that's because the people around them have manipulated them psychologically.

00:29:35.000 They've been groomed into not wanting to be trans, basically.

00:29:38.000 I think it's interesting with this call, too.

00:29:40.000 One of the first things I noticed, to me, it did not sound like a 14-year-old.

00:29:43.000 It sounded like a South Park character.

00:29:45.000 When have you ever heard a 14-year-old talk about how their palms are sweaty?

00:29:50.000 Yeah, she was like, I'm underage.

00:29:51.000 You don't say that when you're 14.

00:29:53.000 Well, my favorite was like, can you spell your email?

00:29:55.000 And this person goes like, Emma's in Mary, da-da-da-da-da.

00:29:58.000 Like, if you're 14, you're not doing that because you've never had to deal with that many calls.

00:30:02.000 You just keep saying M waiting for somebody to understand what you're saying.

00:30:05.000 I think what I noticed about that call is that the guy on the other end of the line was like, as long as it's not harmful to the person.

00:30:10.000 And there's this, I guess the divergence of the entire global conversation on this is, are the chemicals harmful for 14 year olds or younger or whatever, or are they not?

00:30:20.000 And I think that's part of the problem is that the information is not clearly presented.

00:30:23.000 The risks are not included.

00:30:25.000 And this is true for a lot of prescription medication in the US.

00:30:29.000 But I had someone in my personal life recently tell me, oh, well, top surgery and mastectomies are not the same thing.

00:30:34.000 And I'd be like, what are you talking about?

00:30:35.000 That's exactly the same thing.

00:30:37.000 What do you think they're doing?

00:30:39.000 And they're like, no, no, no, mastectomy is different.

00:30:41.000 And I was like, what do you think is happening in top surgery?

00:30:44.000 So what did they say?

00:30:46.000 They couldn't explain it.

00:30:46.000 They said you leave part of the breast No, you don't.

00:30:49.000 Sometimes it gets botched and you have weird flaps and things.

00:30:54.000 I've seen this.

00:30:56.000 There's different kinds of ways to perform this surgery.

00:30:59.000 There's that gender surgeon in Miami who does it. 1.00

00:31:02.000 Yeeting the teats. 0.61

00:31:04.000 She loves to laugh about the fact that she's mutilating children. 1.00

00:31:07.000 I actually had a TikTok video about how she was only yeeting four teats. 0.99

00:31:12.000 And so she was sad about it.

00:31:13.000 One week.

00:31:14.000 Poses with these minors. 0.80

00:31:16.000 But that doctor has had a number of complications from patients because of the type, the way that she does it where there's, what is it, no drainage.

00:31:26.000 And so people end up, young women have ended up with rotting flesh on their bodies and had to go to hospitals.

00:31:33.000 And hospitals are like, you're going to die.

00:31:36.000 Your flesh is rotting.

00:31:39.000 I think that's the problem.

00:31:41.000 I understand that there is an argument for you have to be conscious of someone's emotional state and we're trying to be compassionate and open-minded and whatever else, and I understand that that's where certain positions on these issues come from, but I think ultimately, if you just go back and say, well, what are the consequences of taking high doses of estrogen, of testosterone, of removing tissue that's naturally occurring in your body, of disrupting the parts of your body that regulate your hormones?

00:32:07.000 There is no way that there are not costs and consequences.

00:32:10.000 And I think we can all agree in this room that under the age of 18, you are not in a position to make a fully informed decision.

00:32:15.000 And I think part of the problem is that over 18, the information is still not presented.

00:32:19.000 Exactly.

00:32:20.000 Ethically and clearly.

00:32:21.000 Well, exactly.

00:32:21.000 And that's a very important point.

00:32:23.000 There's a lot we can say about these surgical interventions.

00:32:25.000 There's a lot we can say about these hormones.

00:32:26.000 but I really want to flag what you're saying about someone choosing to do this after they're

00:32:30.000 over the age of 18 when they have been told throughout their entire adolescence that this

00:32:33.000 is something they should be doing.

00:32:35.000 We recognize that groomers don't always get physical when the person is underage.

00:32:41.000 Sometimes what happens is a groomer meets somebody who is underage and then they groom

00:32:45.000 them into placing themselves in that role so that when they're 18 they can get together

00:32:49.000 with them.

00:32:50.000 If you have a 40-year-old man who knew a girl when she was 14 and 15 and was talking to

00:32:55.000 her and then as soon as she turned 18 they started dating, we would recognize that that 0.99

00:33:00.000 was grooming even though she was technically legally of age because we know that if a groomer 0.77

00:33:05.000 gets to someone when they're young and more vulnerable, they can try to brainwash them.

00:33:09.000 And so it's a similar phenomenon.

00:33:10.000 If you put a child on these hormones, There are! 1.00

00:33:13.000 even if you're waiting until they're 18 to actually perform the surgical interventions,

00:33:17.000 you've already warped their mind in the direction of embracing that intervention to the point where

00:33:21.000 you couldn't say they've actually consented. Even if you did consent to something like that,

00:33:24.000 it would be wrong because healthy body parts are not meant to be removed,

00:33:28.000 emulated, but even so, you can't make the argument that it's not grooming just because they waited

00:33:32.000 until the person was over the age of 18 to intervene surgically because groomers wait

00:33:36.000 until the person they're preying upon is over 18.

00:33:38.000 I disagree with you when it comes to relationships and things like that.

00:33:42.000 I mean, if a man is 40 and he has a relationship with an 18-year-old girl, But if he knew her when he was 15 and he's planting seeds at like when she was 15 I'm saying yeah we recognize universally that that's grooming.

00:33:57.000 Yeah I mean I think that we see stuff like that throughout history um you know but I don't I don't think that you can make those kind of You kind of have to meet people where they stand, right?

00:34:08.000 I mean, relationships are weird.

00:34:09.000 People have weird relationships all the time.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, but a grown man knowing someone when she's underage and then dating her when she's 18 is totally grueling.

00:34:15.000 Sure, like, I mean, my, you know, in my family I've seen relationships where the man is 31 and the woman is 20 and they get together.

00:34:22.000 That's different, that's an age gap, but that's not, they knew each other when she was like a minor and young and vulnerable, and then as soon as she turns 18 they're together.

00:34:30.000 What you're picking up on is if someone saw a 14-year-old and thought, on some level,

00:34:34.000 I'm conscious this person is not of legal consenting age, so I'm going to continue to

00:34:38.000 build what could ultimately translate into an intimate relationship and the conversations

00:34:42.000 that happened beforehand, like, while there may not be any physical contact, it's not

00:34:45.000 something that you would necessarily want a 14-year-old to do.

00:34:47.000 It's not something that you would necessarily want, but I don't think we can illegalize

00:34:52.000 gender transition or sex changes for people who are of age, and I don't think that we

00:34:56.000 can similarly illegalize or make illegal, is the correct terminology, relationships

00:35:04.000 like that.

00:35:05.000 Like, if somebody is 18, if somebody is of age, somebody is of age, we have to have cut-off 1.00

00:35:09.000 somewhere.

00:35:10.000 And I think what you're talking about, too, is a separate issue, which is the decline

00:35:14.000 of values, the decline of morality, and the decline of a valuing of childhood innocence,

00:35:20.000 But the difference between morality and values and what is legally acceptable.

00:35:26.000 And I think we do have to make that distinction.

00:35:28.000 There have been people who have detransitioned that I've spoken to who underwent gender transition sex changes as adults who fully regret having been castrated.

00:35:39.000 They underwent that surgery in their 20s.

00:35:41.000 There was nothing to stop them legally from doing that.

00:35:45.000 They are advocating for there to be more information about this for adults as well, and I think that that's fully valid and there should be a lot more information about that.

00:35:54.000 Because I think that can't make it illegal.

00:35:56.000 No, I think you can.

00:35:57.000 I think you can and should.

00:35:58.000 I think that's the biggest issue is that we use all of our scientific data, and I think conservatives can be guilty of this too, in a way that benefits us rather than being like, here are the pros and cons, here are the risks.

00:36:11.000 If you as a kid were around someone who was very open to you potentially transitioning when you're 18, I would hope that you were just as informed of the lifelong consequences of your decisions and the surgical or medical intervention all along.

00:36:25.000 Like, if you are never given a full picture of what you're about to commit yourself to, then it's very hard to know whether that's And I think that's a huge problem.

00:36:34.000 People don't get accurate information and the accurate information is just not available in a lot of cases.

00:36:39.000 And I think in this case it's done on purpose to then encourage people to make these choices.

00:36:45.000 They're saying that ultimately these things will make you happy when we know that that doesn't bear out and we know that there are consequences all along.

00:36:52.000 Yeah.

00:36:53.000 Well, kind of from a wider view, just beyond, like, transitioning and sexual stuff, like, grooming in general isn't necessarily... it's neutral.

00:36:59.000 Like, you groom someone to become something.

00:37:01.000 And whether you could groom them to become some healthy adult, a parent grooms their child to become a successful parent, like, that's a form... in the military, you're groomed to become a soldier.

00:37:09.000 Like, these are... you're preparing them to become something.

00:37:11.000 So if you're grooming them for sex of a minor, that's where it is.

00:37:15.000 It's not that... the word isn't...

00:37:17.000 So you gotta... That's why I kind of like calling someone a groomer is like, yeah, it's kind of vague.

00:37:20.000 Like, are you grooming them to be an amazing human?

00:37:22.000 Then you've done your job as a parent.

00:37:23.000 But we know what we're using it for in this context, right?

00:37:26.000 I don't know.

00:37:27.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a difference between like, this person is being groomed for the promotion versus like, we're grooming a child.

00:37:32.000 A 40-year-old grooms a 16-year-old girl, and then when she's 18, they may be talking, and then when she's 18, they get married, and they have a happy, loving family.

00:37:42.000 That's extremely creepy.

00:37:42.000 No, if she's underage, and this guy's in his 40s, and he's talking to her, and they end up getting married, that's clearly grooming.

00:37:48.000 She's underage, she's vulnerable, she's not in a position where she can make those kinds of decisions.

00:37:51.000 It is grooming, but it's not illegal, and it's not necessarily immoral.

00:37:56.000 If she's having sex with her when she's under 18, it's immoral, I think. 0.59

00:38:00.000 It's illegal, but I don't agree- What if he's sending her, like, naked pictures?

00:38:03.000 That's illegal.

00:38:03.000 Yeah, that's definitely not okay.

00:38:05.000 Child porn.

00:38:05.000 So I think it's that thing where, like, people have trouble finding out where the line is, especially when it comes to intimate communication with a minor.

00:38:11.000 And I don't know that we would solve it here in one night.

00:38:14.000 For me, the biggest issue is, like, if you don't give- like, if a 16-year-old girl doesn't know, like, Hey, if this is making you uncomfortable, you can say no, even if this person is a family friend, even if you feel like you're obligated.

00:38:26.000 Like, if there is not awareness of how to set boundaries, then you have all kinds of problems.

00:38:30.000 Which is an issue of the breakdown of families, you know, the lack of real parenting.

00:38:35.000 I think that's an issue.

00:38:36.000 I got yelled at on Twitter the other day because I called a teacher a groomer who was telling a 10-year-old to delete an email discussing Um, gender identity stuff.

00:38:46.000 And the teacher was like, delete this email so your parents don't see it.

00:38:50.000 And I was like, this is what a groomer looks like.

00:38:52.000 And everyone was like, that's not a groomer.

00:38:54.000 No, groomers ask you to keep secrets from your parents.

00:38:57.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:38:58.000 And that's a huge part of it.

00:38:59.000 And I think that's true in all of the circumstances I mentioned.

00:39:02.000 And I think you can ban it.

00:39:03.000 I think you can have laws against it.

00:39:04.000 And I would.

00:39:05.000 And I also, I don't like the idea that, you know, it's okay for someone to have this surgery You know, the day they turn 18, but the day before they turn 18 when they're 17, this surgery's awful.

00:39:15.000 It's awful either way.

00:39:16.000 You shouldn't be removing healthy functioning parts of someone's body.

00:39:18.000 It totally negates the purpose of medicine.

00:39:20.000 I'm not in favor of it. 1.00

00:39:21.000 I just, I do think that, um, I do think that at a certain point we have to let adults make stupid decisions. 0.94

00:39:29.000 But an adult making a decision to prey upon a vulnerable minor is not a decision we should allow an adult to make. 0.97

00:39:34.000 No, that's a different thing.

00:39:37.000 And so if someone's a minor and they're talking to an adult, and as soon as they turn 18 they're together, that's an instance of grooming.

00:39:41.000 There was also this weird thing.

00:39:42.000 Did you see, remember that show, the Jazz Jennings reality show?

00:39:47.000 I am Jazz.

00:39:48.000 I never saw it, but I'm familiar.

00:39:49.000 So we had a reporter looking into it last year, and she found that Jazz's father was saying, no, you can't get a tattoo because it's too permanent. 0.99

00:40:00.000 And then in the next scene, they were talking about cutting Jazz's dick off. 0.99

00:40:06.000 That cognitive dissonance is wild. 1.00

00:40:09.000 This culture of people that hate themselves or that are sad to be what they are is terrifying.

00:40:17.000 I don't know where or why.

00:40:18.000 Is it from video games and people being stuck on the internet and thinking they're just not in touch with their body because they're on the machine?

00:40:24.000 I think it's the culture of social media that tells you you're supposed to be seeking affirmation all the time from the outside world, right?

00:40:30.000 I think that's a big thing.

00:40:31.000 I mean, if you think about what are pronouns, if not saying what you think of me matters more than what I think of myself or what reality is, there's this constant effort to get other people to view you in a certain way to give you justification and satisfaction.

00:40:47.000 And I remember growing up with the idea That it really didn't matter what other people thought.

00:40:52.000 And so, you know, expressing yourself sort of in a punk rock way or whatever had more to do with saying, I don't care if you think I am ugly now.

00:41:01.000 And now it's very much like if you express yourself the way you want to and then people don't celebrate it then.

00:41:07.000 Because now you're supposed to say, I made myself look ugly, but you have to tell me I'm beautiful.

00:41:12.000 That's weird.

00:41:14.000 It feels like the crowd is grooming the social media influencer.

00:41:18.000 The influencer makes the post and then all the comments, if they're reading those comments, those comments are grooming them to become what the commenters want.

00:41:24.000 Isn't that what it was?

00:41:25.000 It was Tumblr.

00:41:27.000 Tumblr was a huge place for early gender transition conversations.

00:41:30.000 Helena Kirshner talked about that.

00:41:31.000 Yeah, that was a huge deal.

00:41:34.000 And I think we still see stuff like that, whether it's on platforms that I certainly am not I'm not savvy in, like, Snapchat and TikTok, Discord, whatever the other ones are.

00:41:44.000 I've got this feeling that Shane's about to blast us over to a new story, are you?

00:41:48.000 No, yeah, well, I mean, it's relevant, but basically, in light of all of these things you guys are bringing up about the fact that this is externally imposed, the culture tries to send messages to people, we have former President Barack Obama.

00:42:01.000 Michelle's husband?

00:42:03.000 Oh, no, this is, yeah, former President Barack Obama.

00:42:08.000 I've always wondered what he's up to.

00:42:09.000 He could be the first first man.

00:42:11.000 I will say while you set up that story, I'm going to say the cognitive dissonance is so real.

00:42:16.000 It's the same thing that bothers me when you say like, hey, I don't think someone under the age of 18 should be at a drag show.

00:42:22.000 Someone can be like, that's life or death.

00:42:24.000 How could you say that?

00:42:25.000 But they're okay with the idea that you wouldn't let an 18-year-old heterosexual boy go to a strip club, or a 17-year-old, you know, underage boy who's straight go to a strip club.

00:42:33.000 Like, under some circumstances, we allow these things, but not under others.

00:42:37.000 There's not an idea that, like, we're all in this to protect children.

00:42:42.000 It seems so strange to me.

00:42:43.000 It is strange. 0.94

00:42:44.000 And that's like State Senator Scott Weiner in California pushed through a bill that decriminalized sex with minors if they were gay. 0.95

00:42:55.000 Yeah. 0.79

00:42:56.000 Saying that, you know, sex with minors, if you were heterosexual, whatever that age gap was, was legal. 0.87

00:43:01.000 And I'm thinking, like, why didn't you illegalize the sex with minors instead of legalizing? 0.89

00:43:07.000 Yeah.

00:43:07.000 It's weird.

00:43:08.000 It's totally bizarre to me because you're telling me that You know, children who are LGBTQ identifying are more vulnerable for, you know, depression, for anxiety, for all kinds of things.

00:43:19.000 Studies bear out that most of the time they are sexually active at a younger age, but yet... There's also a lot of abuse, I think.

00:43:25.000 There's tons of abuse.

00:43:26.000 They're vulnerable in all sorts of ways, but yet, when you can take steps to protect them, you're saying, actually, no, they need to be exposed to these things.

00:43:33.000 Like, how can you not see that that is bizarre, especially since you wouldn't treat straight children that way? 1.00

00:43:38.000 Right.

00:43:39.000 Well, we've got the story queued up now.

00:43:42.000 Apologies.

00:43:43.000 But in an open letter to librarians, former President Barack Obama spoke out against the, quote, profoundly misguided book bans in school libraries.

00:43:53.000 So the former president wrote an open letter to American librarians, and he appears in a TikTok video decrying right-wing censorship push.

00:44:02.000 Now, I've mentioned this before, all of the rhetoric you're hearing about right-wing censorship in book bans is basically the left complaining about the fact that conservative parents have said that pornographic material cannot and should not be shown to children in public schools.

00:44:16.000 And by the way, even the articles that claim to be sympathetic to this position, that these are book bans, acknowledge that this is a movement which is being led by parents.

00:44:25.000 Parents are the ones saying, do not show this content to my children.

00:44:29.000 It is not right-wing special interest groups saying, if you show this book to children it will expand their minds and it will reduce our control over the hegemonic narrative.

00:44:39.000 It is literally parents saying, don't show porn to our children in the books that they are defending.

00:44:46.000 are pornographic and have pornographic content in them.

00:44:49.000 So, uh, in the letter, Barack Obama called it, uh, profoundly misguided.

00:44:53.000 He said that books, including controversial books, shaped his life.

00:44:57.000 Barack, I hope these kinds of books are not the ones that shaped your life.

00:45:02.000 He said it's no coincidence that these banned books are often written by or feature people of color, indigenous people, and members of the LGBTQ community.

00:45:10.000 Interesting.

00:45:12.000 Is he alleging that there are books being banned because there are indigenous or black people in them? 0.99

00:45:18.000 It's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life. 0.99

00:45:19.000 That's exactly what he's alleging. 0.98

00:45:21.000 He's alleging, but this part here is operative, right?

00:45:24.000 This is the key.

00:45:25.000 The LGBTQ plus community.

00:45:27.000 I agree, Brock.

00:45:28.000 It is kind of a weird coincidence that all of the books that are being banned because they have pornographic content in them are being supported by the LGBT community and your party.

00:45:40.000 Maybe don't own that so loudly.

00:45:41.000 What do you guys think? I think one thing that's interesting is a lot of these books and I've spoken to Moms

00:45:46.000 for Liberty about this And about the different books and different moms who are

00:45:49.000 like, you know, we don't want genderqueer. We don't want flamer We don't want a lot of these books 1.00

00:45:53.000 a lot of them are actually graphic novels and I wonder if it would be

00:45:57.000 If anyone would even notice if they were not graphic novels because that's where you see this you see, you know

00:46:03.000 lesbians fellating a strap on in genderqueer, and that's certainly not 1.00

00:46:10.000 something that you would want in schools. 0.84

00:46:12.000 And I think a lot of what is being missed is that it's not that people are asking for

00:46:17.000 books to be banned, they're asking for age-appropriate material to be made available to students.

00:46:23.000 You know, genderqueer has no business being taught. 1.00

00:46:25.000 When I bought this book myself, we have it here on the table, I bought this book myself

00:46:29.000 to check it out and to see what it was really about.

00:46:33.000 And even worse than some of the images, what I thought was the most shocking was that the

00:46:37.000 main character, who had been raised in a very weird, situation grows up to decide to be non-binary, and the book ends right as she is deciding to come out to a middle school class.

00:46:52.000 And I'm thinking that's even more insidious.

00:46:54.000 Why do people feel the need to... Why do teachers feel the need to express their personal sexual preferences, orientations, and, you know, gender expression to their students?

00:47:06.000 I find that so bizarre.

00:47:08.000 Yeah.

00:47:08.000 You know, I remember some of my teachers were married, but I don't remember anything about them.

00:47:14.000 I had one fourth grade teacher who brought us all over to her house, Mrs. Fife, and I remember even thinking at the time, like, this is weird.

00:47:21.000 Why are we at Mrs. Fife's house?

00:47:23.000 This is very bizarre.

00:47:24.000 I want to return to the time where, like, when you saw your teacher in the grocery store, you were like, you exist outside school?

00:47:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:29.000 What is happening here?

00:47:30.000 And it's not because they're not human and have their own lives and can do whatever.

00:47:33.000 It's just because that's the setting in which children know them.

00:47:37.000 Like, I want them to feel like there is a certain relationship in school, and I don't like the idea that you would blur the lines for your own emotional gratification, right?

00:47:45.000 The other thing, too, is... Oh, I'm sorry.

00:47:47.000 Oh, I was just gonna say, like, The Pope had this interesting comment on people having dogs, and I'm going to misquote it, and I know there are Catholics in the room.

00:47:53.000 Instead of children?

00:47:54.000 Yeah, Pope Francis said this.

00:47:55.000 This is one of his base quotes.

00:47:56.000 One of the reasons you like people have dogs is because there's less emotional work in this relationship than having children.

00:48:02.000 And I think there is something similar that's happening here, where it's like, I specifically want children to be like, wow, we love you anyway, whoever you are.

00:48:10.000 Because children are innocent, and when you feel like you have gotten gratification from them, you know, there is some sort of secure, trapped audience effect there.

00:48:18.000 And I think that should be something we don't encourage.

00:48:20.000 Also, these are teachers who never properly grew up.

00:48:22.000 That's a huge part of it.

00:48:24.000 They're seeking to maintain their own childlike state.

00:48:28.000 When I was a kid, which wasn't that long ago, but when I was a kid, you didn't even know your teacher's first name.

00:48:32.000 The idea that your teacher is telling you about all the perverse sexual things they're doing behind the scenes is totally insane, but we know why it's happening, right?

00:48:39.000 This is grooming.

00:48:40.000 They want children to be exposed to their perverse lifestyle choices because grooming is essentially a kind of perverse exposure therapy.

00:48:47.000 People intuitively recoil at perversion and degeneracy.

00:48:52.000 So if you keep putting it in front of the child, the idea is you will slowly chip away at their intuitive sense that this is wrong.

00:48:58.000 That's a huge deal too, like when you take a kid to drag story hour, right?

00:49:03.000 Like if you do that, there are kids you can see in videos of this who recoil and the moms are like, and it's always moms, The moms are like, no honey, go ahead, that's totally fine, that's totally fine.

00:49:14.000 Or the Washington Post article by a mom who was saying that she was taking her kid to the pride parade and wanted the kid to see kink and to normalize kink. 0.61

00:49:24.000 Or the sex ed classes that emphasize pleasure in second grade and start teaching kids about masturbation. 0.85

00:49:30.000 There's no reason for a sex ed class in second grade, period.

00:49:33.000 But there's something more to this, too, which I also find a little disturbing, which is, and I'm just sort of expressing this for the first time, so if I screw it up, you know... You'll refine it later.

00:49:43.000 I'll refine it later.

00:49:45.000 But the idea is that if you're a kid, why do you want all of this stuff to come from authority figures?

00:49:53.000 You know, why are authority figures getting involved in what essentially should be a kid's private emotional life?

00:50:00.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:50:01.000 Like I had this professor in college, Danny Kaiser, and we were studying James Joyce and Marcel Proust in his class and the first day of class he said, I don't know why you guys want me to teach you Joyce.

00:50:14.000 When I was your age, Joyce was mine.

00:50:17.000 I didn't want anyone to teach it to me.

00:50:19.000 It was for me.

00:50:19.000 I wanted to learn about it myself.

00:50:22.000 And he said the same thing about folk music.

00:50:23.000 He was way older than us, obviously.

00:50:27.000 But I think to a certain extent, like, when I wanted to read weird books when I was in high school, which, you know, like, I was a weird, curious kid.

00:50:34.000 I read a lot of weird books.

00:50:36.000 I went and found them for myself.

00:50:37.000 I didn't want anyone to teach me Anything.

00:50:39.000 I didn't want anyone to teach me poetry.

00:50:41.000 I didn't really want people to teach me Kafka.

00:50:44.000 I wanted to read those things myself.

00:50:46.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:50:47.000 And so you have these people who are not just infiltrating the educational system and infiltrating that, but they're infiltrating the private thoughts of these kids who should be, if they're going to be thinking about these things, that should be their own private thoughts to a certain extent.

00:51:02.000 It shouldn't be involved with adults.

00:51:03.000 Or with their parents at the very least.

00:51:04.000 Or their, you know, talk to your parents for sure, but like, The infiltration of adults into children's private lives is really messed up.

00:51:12.000 This is something I also want to mention that came from one of the articles I was reading about this.

00:51:16.000 The ALA has found that in US public schools last year, a record 2,571 unique titles were targeted for censorship.

00:51:23.000 Often led by parent groups.

00:51:25.000 Oh no.

00:51:26.000 A 38% increase from the 1800 unique titles targeted for censorship in 2021.

00:51:32.000 Now they're saying that as if that's an indication that our laws are becoming more draconian.

00:51:37.000 We're trying to prevent kids from seeing this literature.

00:51:39.000 Firstly, this is happening.

00:51:41.000 This kind of pornographic content is being placed into public schools and public school libraries at a much higher rate than it was in the past.

00:51:47.000 So it makes sense that you'd be seeing more More people trying to remove them.

00:51:51.000 I think parents are also finally starting to wake up to this stuff being in the libraries at their kids schools or being taught in their classrooms.

00:51:57.000 So it makes sense that they'd stand up and say something.

00:51:59.000 But again, the article here acknowledges that this is led by parent groups who are saying stop Showing this stuff to our children and also this idea that there's such a thing as being too selective about what you're allowing your child to be exposed to when they're off at a school where you have no oversight over them through the course of the day other than the standards that you've gotten the school to agree to is total insanity.

00:52:28.000 It is a good ...thing that parents are becoming more concerned with what their kids are looking at in schools.

00:52:33.000 The fact that you try to frame that is something that- I see these numbers and I go, good, more parents are involved, more parents care about what their kids are reading.

00:52:40.000 In their ideal world, the parents sit back and say, show whatever you want to my kids!

00:52:44.000 I don't care!

00:52:45.000 Now, I happen to disagree with that, which is why I think the fact that 2,500 different titles are being pulled out of public schools and they're being told, you can't show these to our children, is good, because if parents don't want their kids seeing that stuff, then the kids shouldn't be looking at it.

00:52:58.000 Well, here's the other thing, though.

00:52:59.000 A lot of times it's really hard to get the curriculum.

00:53:01.000 I don't know if you guys are aware of this.

00:53:03.000 No.

00:53:03.000 I have tried to, you know, at the schools my son has gone to, not the Lutheran school that he went to for a while.

00:53:10.000 That was very easy.

00:53:11.000 But so much of the curriculum is not in books.

00:53:14.000 They don't send home textbooks.

00:53:16.000 If the kids do worksheets, the worksheets stay at school.

00:53:20.000 That's a huge thing.

00:53:21.000 So COVID really opened people's minds to this.

00:53:24.000 That's where I started to really see what was going on at the school in terms of like

00:53:27.000 weird racial education and whatever else.

00:53:31.000 So that is, I think, one of the biggest upsides of the pandemic.

00:53:36.000 That's where Moms for Liberty came in. 1.00

00:53:37.000 They were like, vaccine mandates.

00:53:39.000 No.

00:53:40.000 Masking?

00:53:40.000 No.

00:53:41.000 Wait, and all these books?

00:53:42.000 All of this stuff that you guys are looking at?

00:53:44.000 All of this curriculum?

00:53:45.000 No.

00:53:46.000 And there was even a situation where I think it was in Chico, California.

00:53:50.000 Was it the Chico School District?

00:53:52.000 Anyway, it's been on my list.

00:53:54.000 I haven't been able to write about it.

00:53:55.000 I've wanted to for a couple of days.

00:53:57.000 Anyway, a parent was, a mom was denied the ability to look at the curriculum of the school, was told outright that she couldn't see it.

00:54:06.000 And a lot of school districts, what they do is they say that the material is copyrighted, so they can't send it home.

00:54:12.000 And they keep the stuff from the parents.

00:54:14.000 So the more they keep the stuff from the parents, the more angry parents are going to get.

00:54:19.000 I was at Moms for Liberty, the summit in Philadelphia, a couple of weeks ago, and when I was talking

00:54:26.000 to the moms about what was going on, they were really insistent, you know, that they

00:54:29.000 wanted to see what was going on in the schools and they wanted to be a part of it.

00:54:32.000 I will just say, though, did you guys see what Barack Obama's half-brother said about

00:54:38.000 the list that he put out?

00:54:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:40.000 He deleted the tweet, but he said, this man is definitely gay. 0.98

00:54:43.000 Oh, my God. 0.98

00:54:44.000 About Barack?

00:54:45.000 Yeah.

00:54:46.000 Dude, Barack.

00:54:47.000 He trolls him a lot.

00:54:48.000 You got to eat more green vegetables, man.

00:54:49.000 You're like a health guru now.

00:54:51.000 Ian's a dietary expert, uh, ever since he started bulking up for this music video.

00:54:55.000 But I'm not against it.

00:54:56.000 I'm not against it.

00:54:58.000 All of your comments just make me return to the refrain, only groomers ask you to keep things from your parents.

00:55:03.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:55:04.000 Like it is weird to me that their position would be Well, don't talk.

00:55:07.000 We can't show you.

00:55:09.000 There shouldn't be secrets between parents and children.

00:55:11.000 Obviously, over time, children develop independence and things like that, but the school shouldn't be able to be like, no, you're not allowed.

00:55:16.000 It's just for me and your kids to look at.

00:55:18.000 Right.

00:55:18.000 And that is what they do.

00:55:20.000 And not only do groomers... You really can't get it.

00:55:22.000 You really cannot get this material.

00:55:24.000 You can ask.

00:55:25.000 You can go to the school.

00:55:26.000 You can say, give me the material.

00:55:28.000 You can say, can I see the textbooks?

00:55:29.000 Can I see what's going on?

00:55:31.000 It is very difficult to get it.

00:55:32.000 They say, it's in the Google Classroom.

00:55:34.000 And then you try and log into the Google Classroom and the password doesn't work.

00:55:38.000 And they make you go get one just for adults.

00:55:39.000 And then that doesn't have all the information.

00:55:41.000 You can't see it. 0.89

00:55:42.000 It's ridiculous. 0.63

00:55:45.000 Yeah, well, not only do groomers want kids to keep things from their parents, they also want to keep certain films from theaters.

00:55:56.000 You guys know where this is going.

00:55:58.000 We had the privilege of speaking to Tim Ballard last week.

00:56:01.000 It was an excellent show.

00:56:02.000 I would recommend everybody check that one out if you haven't seen it yet.

00:56:06.000 But a former spokesman for a pro-pedophile advocacy group writes in Bloomberg a hit piece that was targeting the film Sound of freedom.

00:56:16.000 Now, he made a number of arguments about how he thought that this is a QAnon dog whistle that doesn't help victims.

00:56:23.000 A lot of the same rhetoric we've been hearing from the left.

00:56:26.000 He was arguing that it doesn't thoroughly address the reality of child trafficking and the way it presents is misleading.

00:56:33.000 He said most of them are 15 to 17 rather than young children.

00:56:37.000 Okay?

00:56:38.000 The film doesn't purport to be telling you the story of every single person who's been trafficked, but also, they're all minors.

00:56:44.000 Every child being trafficked is a minor.

00:56:46.000 For him to play this, oh, well, like, 15, 16, 17, oh, so maybe people shouldn't be so concerned about it.

00:56:51.000 Well, he's making it sound like it's little kids.

00:56:53.000 Well, oftentimes, it is little kids, and either way, it's disgusting, because people are abusing children. 0.96

00:56:58.000 They're abusing minors. 0.94

00:57:00.000 He also mentions that in 41% of cases of family members involved, that's perfectly fine to point out.

00:57:04.000 But again, this film is about global child trafficking rings.

00:57:09.000 It's a different story.

00:57:10.000 It doesn't claim to be representative of every single instance of abuse that occurs.

00:57:15.000 Now, part of what's very interesting about this particular story is he's a former spokesman for an organization which tries to legitimize Pedophilia basically by insisting that pedophiles be referred to as MAPs or Minor Attracted Persons.

00:57:32.000 This is a phrase that he has argued that people should be using.

00:57:37.000 So I will open it up to all of you and get your opinion.

00:57:39.000 Yeah, there's even a support group by Prostasia for people over the age of 13 to discuss their pedophiliac tendencies.

00:57:47.000 With adults?

00:57:48.000 Yes.

00:57:49.000 Huh.

00:57:49.000 That doesn't seem creepy at all.

00:57:51.000 No, not at all.

00:57:52.000 Super creepy.

00:57:53.000 This always kind of gets me.

00:57:55.000 How do we prevent child sex with minor pedophilia?

00:57:58.000 How do we prevent it?

00:57:59.000 Very harsh penalties. 0.96

00:58:01.000 Well, you can either just try and destroy the pedophiles, but then it's like they can still be created. 0.93

00:58:06.000 Like a person can still become one. 0.84

00:58:08.000 How do you stop them from becoming one?

00:58:09.000 Maybe you need to listen to pedophiles tell their story from prison or wherever,

00:58:13.000 but just so you understand how they got to where they were, how were they abused, why did you feel that way?

00:58:17.000 Because if someone can identify with them, be like, I feel that too, so I won't go down that road.

00:58:21.000 Jordan Peterson talked for, I remember hearing a podcast of his

00:58:25.000 where he was talking about children who had been abused as kids, they were abused,

00:58:30.000 and they had been worried that they were gonna grow up and become parents and abuse their own kids.

00:58:36.000 And you don't have to, right?

00:58:38.000 And what he was saying is you don't have to do that.

00:58:41.000 That he had spoken to more people who had grown up after having suffered child abuse themselves.

00:58:47.000 Yeah.

00:58:47.000 grown up and said there's no way I'm doing that and they don't do it.

00:58:51.000 So it is possible even if you have been abused as a kid in this horrific and

00:58:56.000 horrible you know terrible way you don't have to grow up to live like that. 0.97

00:59:00.000 You can overcome it.

00:59:01.000 We overcome all kinds of horrible things all of the time.

00:59:05.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:59:06.000 So this organization, what it does is it talks about how this is an innate sort of thing, that you could be born with this condition, this predilection.

00:59:16.000 We overcome all kinds of things that we are born with, right?

00:59:19.000 Yeah, but I also, I mean, I totally reject the framing.

00:59:20.000 There's a lot of people who go along with, who become monogamous, regardless of, you know, we always hear like, oh, you know, monogamy is not natural.

00:59:28.000 We do it anyway.

00:59:30.000 Yeah.

00:59:30.000 We believe in it.

00:59:31.000 Even so, we don't have to reject the framing.

00:59:33.000 We have to reject the fact that it's not true.

00:59:35.000 I totally agree.

00:59:36.000 People are not born this way. 0.99

00:59:37.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:59:38.000 This is something that, you know, gay rights activist groups were trying to say for decades in order to normalize and legitimize homosexual behavior. 0.93

00:59:45.000 But this is what we have to recognize is that this narrative that they're born this way is only ever used to create sympathy for that group of people so that you're unwilling to speak out against the actions.

00:59:55.000 Oh, they can't help themselves.

00:59:56.000 Oh, this is their attraction.

00:59:58.000 Oh, they're going to do this?

00:59:59.000 No, they're not going to do this.

01:00:00.000 We don't have to accept this as an inevitability.

01:00:03.000 Anyone who harms a child needs to be penalized in the harshest possible legal way, and other people who are considering offending need to see that happen to them in order to deter them.

01:00:13.000 There are multiple levels to this.

01:00:15.000 I was having a conversation with Sean, the actual Justice Warrior, Sean Fitzgerald, very very bright guy. One thing he explains is that there are

01:00:22.000 basically three tiers to how you get a person to comply with the law or not break it.

01:00:27.000 And the first and most important one is that the person actually internalizes and believes

01:00:31.000 that that rule is good. That is the most effective way to stop someone from breaking a

01:00:34.000 rule. And you ideally want everyone to feel that way. But then a step below it, if a

01:00:38.000 person doesn't really feel like there's anything wrong with it, is for them to know

01:00:42.000 that their community, the people around them are extremely opposed to it, and that if they

01:00:46.000 do it and people find out they do it or ever found out they do it, they would be loathed

01:00:50.000 and detested and there'd be a great amount of shame. And then finally.

01:00:54.000 You have imprisonment.

01:00:55.000 Finally, you have legal penalties.

01:00:57.000 This is at the very bottom.

01:00:58.000 This is when those first two fail-safes break.

01:01:00.000 So the most important thing to do is to help everyone internalize to the strongest possible degree that this is totally unacceptable.

01:01:07.000 And then beneath that, you want to ensure that those social conventions are held up and promoted to a degree such that nobody who is ever spouting this They're born that way, rhetoric.

01:01:17.000 They can't help this rhetoric.

01:01:19.000 Any rhetoric that makes them sympathetic to them is not listened to, and then beneath that, if these people do offend anyway, you have to inflict the maximal, harshest possible legal penalty.

01:01:28.000 So we've eliminated shame in our society.

01:01:30.000 Yes, we have.

01:01:31.000 That's second tier.

01:01:32.000 Yeah, that's second tier.

01:01:33.000 We're not supposed to be ashamed of anything anymore.

01:01:35.000 We're supposed to go out into the street, parade ourselves around naked and kink-filled and whatever else, and have everybody acknowledge that as beautiful and spectacular. 1.00

01:01:44.000 It's a very weird situation where we've gotten rid of shame.

01:01:47.000 I've been saying for years now, like, bring back the taboo.

01:01:50.000 It's okay to have taboo.

01:01:52.000 I don't think we have entirely, though.

01:01:53.000 I think there is an argument that you should be able to do whatever, but I think there are people who then go out there and put it on naked and whatever else, and they're like, and if you don't cheer and celebrate me, I will think that you're shaming me in some way and that will hurt me.

01:02:06.000 Right.

01:02:06.000 Well, now they can't really get rid of it.

01:02:08.000 Now we are shamed for thinking the wrong thing.

01:02:11.000 Yeah.

01:02:11.000 You know, that's where the shame is.

01:02:13.000 It's totally shifted.

01:02:14.000 This is something I want everyone in the audience, everyone here to just pay very close attention to over the next couple years because there's something I've noticed that the left does basically every time they want to normalize something and we're seeing that occur with respect to pedophilia.

01:02:26.000 The argument that's always made is this behavior, which society widely rejects, is inevitable.

01:02:32.000 Some minority of people are going to do it anyway, so we have to ensure that we have a more empathetic approach to ensure that it's done safely or only done in small doses, or there's some way to accommodate these people so that we don't see all of the disastrous effects that occur.

01:02:45.000 Now, of course, that's not possible.

01:02:46.000 You have to stop people from doing it.

01:02:47.000 You can't mitigate the disastrous effects of something so disgusting through some means of employing an empathetic understanding of why the person did it, right?

01:02:55.000 You just have to put your foot down and say, no, we're not accepting this.

01:02:59.000 That said, that said, what the left always does and what they have done is once they

01:03:03.000 get people to say, okay, it's an inevitability, there's nothing we can do about it, what of

01:03:08.000 course happens is it becomes more socially accepted.

01:03:10.000 And once it's more socially accepted, you get more of it.

01:03:13.000 So the left-wing argument is constantly, we won't get any more of this thing if we normalize

01:03:17.000 it.

01:03:18.000 The people who are already going to do it will just keep doing it, but they'll do it

01:03:20.000 safely and there will be less harm.

01:03:21.000 That's not true.

01:03:22.000 It's never been true.

01:03:24.000 Every time they've ever made that claim, we've gotten more of the thing that they claim to

01:03:27.000 to be prevented if we just gave an outlet.

01:03:30.000 Well, we did that with sex, remember? 0.58

01:03:31.000 Yep. 0.78

01:03:31.000 Absolutely. 0.78

01:03:31.000 need a pressure valve to allow this behavior, do not listen to that argument. 0.78

01:03:35.000 Don't give them an inch because if you do, we're going to end up in a country where this

01:03:38.000 stuff is totally accepted by everyone and you lose your job for saying it's wrong. 0.54

01:03:42.000 Well, we did that with sex. 0.92

01:03:43.000 Remember, kids are going to, teens are going to have sex anyway. 1.00

01:03:46.000 Absolutely.

01:03:47.000 Let's just make sure we give them birth control so that they can do it safely. 1.00

01:03:50.000 Or kids are just going to try drugs anyway, so let them try it at home with their parents.

01:03:54.000 Or kids are just gonna drink anyway, so they should just drink at home with their parents.

01:03:58.000 And all of these things have become super normalized.

01:04:01.000 I think though regarding a social pressure valve on pedophilia that it's something like

01:04:06.000 that, not that doing it is what relieves the pressure, but that understanding it.

01:04:11.000 Because if someone, if you're abused when you were little and you see now the adult

01:04:16.000 that abused you breaking down, sitting maybe in a prison cell or wherever, just losing

01:04:21.000 it, losing it, uncontrollably sobbing about how they were abused as a child and explaining

01:04:26.000 it and being honest about what they've done.

01:04:28.000 That might bring you some sense of relief.

01:04:30.000 I don't think so.

01:04:30.000 I think it's going to be more traumatic.

01:04:32.000 I just want to say one thing here.

01:04:34.000 Sometimes trauma can lead to relief.

01:04:35.000 I'm not totally against researching and talking to pedophiles from prison and saying, like, how did we get to where we are, right?

01:04:42.000 But I don't think that mitigates the fact that there have to be harsh punishments, right?

01:04:46.000 If your house caught on fire, you would want to know the cause.

01:04:49.000 If it was an electrical thing, you would want to know why so we could prevent it in the future.

01:04:53.000 And I understand that there's a desire to come to a place of compassion, but like, if you were abused and your abuser then cries in jail and says, I was abused, Are you then obligated to feel empathy for them when they did something bad to you?

01:05:05.000 What about rapists and murderers?

01:05:07.000 Should we normalize those things?

01:05:09.000 Because some people are... Some people who did it are sad, yeah.

01:05:13.000 Or some people who did that had a tough time.

01:05:16.000 Hold on, there's a point I really have to make here.

01:05:20.000 Which is that because I tried to say this before Hannah Clare was speaking, but I think the emphasis nowadays is put on us understanding why the criminal did this.

01:05:31.000 The emphasis should be on getting the criminal to understand why what they did was disgusting and should never be tolerated.

01:05:36.000 But I'm concerned with the child that was abused growing up to become an abuser, and how do we help the child?

01:05:41.000 Once you become an abuser, our only concern was how do we lock you away from everybody else and get you to stop?

01:05:46.000 And the thing is, we don't know how we can get people to stop doing it, so what we just have to do is lock them up away from everyone else so that they're not capable of doing it.

01:05:53.000 Finding some way to neutralize the threat.

01:05:55.000 I know you agree we should lock them up.

01:05:56.000 I do.

01:05:57.000 And I don't think it's impossible to understand why they're doing it.

01:06:01.000 I don't think that's impossible, but we need to not have shame about listening to it.

01:06:05.000 Well, I think we do understand why they do it. 0.98

01:06:08.000 I think they do it because they're twisted perverts who get a sexual thrill out of harming children. 0.99

01:06:12.000 We know why they do it. 0.99

01:06:13.000 A lot of times they're abused when they're little.

01:06:15.000 That's true, but I think, you know, people will say that to get empathy for them, but if someone did that to you as a child, and you pass that pain along to someone else, that makes it even worse.

01:06:24.000 How could you do that to somebody?

01:06:25.000 You know what that did to you!

01:06:26.000 Because what happens is, I think what happens is, it happens to you, so you're like, that was so horrible, no, no, no, I'm okay, I'm fine, whatever happened to me in my life is okay, I'm okay, and then you start to realize, like, all the things that happened to you are okay, so then you remember the abuse, and that's part of the okay thing, and then it's like, no, no, I'm okay, it's okay.

01:06:41.000 But it doesn't have to be that way, and there's a, you know, I mean, I think that part...

01:06:46.000 I think a lot of it has to do with the breakdown of morality as well, and this lack of understanding that there are appropriate ways to live.

01:06:56.000 It should not be a relativist society, and that's a relativist perspective.

01:07:00.000 Like, this thing happened to me, so I'm going to inflict this pain on someone else.

01:07:04.000 We see that with hazing, right, in colleges, and you see, like, I don't know.

01:07:13.000 I never was part of any fraternities.

01:07:16.000 And then that becomes a normal thing, and people do it.

01:07:19.000 It's still illegal.

01:07:20.000 People still die from hazing.

01:07:22.000 Even in relationships, when one person yells at the other person, then the other person feels like they're allowed now to yell back.

01:07:28.000 And it's like you've created a cycle, and at some point you've got to break that Exactly.

01:07:33.000 The way you break the cycle is by locking all of the people who do that up so they can't harm anybody else.

01:07:37.000 You just break up with the person?

01:07:39.000 I would actually say yes.

01:07:40.000 If you're in a relationship with somebody who yells at you, absolutely.

01:07:42.000 You think it's unrecoverable?

01:07:43.000 I wonder about that.

01:07:44.000 Yeah, if you're in a relationship...

01:07:46.000 You think they're unrecoverable?

01:07:48.000 If you're in a relationship with somebody who yells at you, absolutely.

01:07:50.000 You think it's unrecoverable? I wonder about that.

01:07:52.000 Breakup, I mean, there's a different question if you're married and have committed.

01:07:54.000 It's the same thing.

01:07:56.000 It's very different.

01:07:58.000 My point is, we still draw a line at some point and say, if we want this thing to stop, we have to stop it.

01:08:02.000 And if we want pedophilia to stop, we have to lock them up.

01:08:05.000 They have to know that they will receive the harshest possible penalty for their crime.

01:08:07.000 That will stop the pedophile, but it won't stop pedophilia.

01:08:10.000 But I think part of the argument is saying... I'm interested in stopping pedophiles.

01:08:13.000 I mean, like... One at a time, right?

01:08:14.000 If that pedophile is still in jail, and they're still a pedophile, I guess in that sense you haven't stopped pedophilia, but you've stopped children from being abused, and that's what's most important.

01:08:21.000 If those kids aren't being abused.

01:08:22.000 I don't know.

01:08:22.000 If a kid just... See, that's the... Ah, man, I feel like we're going in circles.

01:08:26.000 Were you about to say something?

01:08:27.000 Oh, I was just saying, I think it goes back to Libby's point, I think as a society we need to decide that there are some absolute hard lines that we will not cross.

01:08:34.000 And for me, pedophilia is obviously one of them.

01:08:37.000 And there shouldn't, you know, as a human being, obviously you want to cultivate a lifestyle that has compassion, but you can't let your compassion be so overrun that you are willing to permit other people to be put in harm's way.

01:08:49.000 Exactly.

01:08:50.000 It is a false mercy.

01:08:52.000 Mercy to the thief is injustice to the person that they robbed.

01:08:55.000 Mercy to the pedophile is cruelty to the child.

01:08:59.000 That said, we've got another interesting story here.

01:09:02.000 This one is a little bit lighter.

01:09:05.000 I know we've been talking about a lot of dark topics tonight.

01:09:07.000 This is a dark topic, but it's so ridiculous that it seems like something that might have come out of an Onion article, which is part of why I wanted to share it with all of you, since this is ShimCast.

01:09:16.000 And, you know, maybe we should lean into the comedy a little bit more.

01:09:19.000 This has not been a very comedic episode.

01:09:20.000 This has been a very dark episode.

01:09:21.000 We're talking about important issues.

01:09:23.000 And this is also, to be clear, an important issue.

01:09:25.000 But a Pentagon typo has leaked to millions of sensitive messages being leaked to African nations.

01:09:32.000 So basically, there is a typo that has resulted in literal millions of messages from the Defense Department, from the Pentagon.

01:09:42.000 Uh, being leaked to Mali.

01:09:45.000 Basically, you have to end your emails dot M-I-L, so in the same way that if you email someone at gmail dot com, yep.

01:09:51.000 It's really bad.

01:09:52.000 Yep.

01:09:52.000 So when you email someone at gmail dot com, right, it's dot com, commercial.

01:09:57.000 When it comes to the military, it's dot M-I-L, military. 0.97

01:10:01.000 If it's to someone in Mali, it's dot M-L. 1.00

01:10:04.000 So a lot of people at the Pentagon were not typing the I. And so they were sending secret information, sensitive information at the very least, to this African nation now.

01:10:17.000 Now to be clear, for everyone who panics, this is still a serious problem, but Johanna Sevier, who manages Mali's domain, collected 117,000 emails since January of this year, and many more in years prior, and they contain a lot of information about the United States government and This is a risk which is very real.

01:10:38.000 This could very easily be exploited.

01:10:40.000 And what he basically said is that his 10-year contract managing that server expires this week.

01:10:46.000 And it's clear that the emails being sent there aren't slowing down.

01:10:51.000 Let's also mention that Molly is an ally of Russia.

01:10:56.000 So, not to stoke the Russia, Russia, Russia flames, at the same time, this is pretty bad.

01:11:03.000 This is pretty bad.

01:11:04.000 What do you guys think?

01:11:05.000 I think they should have had it as dot military U.S.

01:11:09.000 So you cannot mistake, you cannot accidentally type the wrong dot something.

01:11:13.000 You have to dot a very explicit word. 1.00

01:11:15.000 They probably didn't think that the people who worked at the Pentagon were so horrifyingly inept and stupid. 1.00

01:11:22.000 Maybe the real problem with the deep state isn't that they have too much power. 1.00

01:11:26.000 Maybe it's that they are stupid and should not have any jobs at all. 1.00

01:11:29.000 Yeah, I have so much power for the I mean normal amount of intelligence of a human being interesting because the the 1.00

01:11:35.000 spokesman who came Out to address this was like look we are actually aware

01:11:38.000 This has been happening and the thing is we have no way to fix it because basically they can't change the dot MIL

01:11:44.000 So they just need to like send out a Pentagon wide email being like, please please please be very careful because

01:11:51.000 there's no He was saying there's no there's no technical roadblock

01:11:55.000 here. I don't know if that's actually true I'm not an information technologist by any means but it is

01:12:00.000 interesting that ultimately our National security comes down to bureaucratic error

01:12:06.000 Well, don't so many things come down to bureaucratic error?

01:12:09.000 If you look at, you know, the Biden administration, they're sending out these executive orders to do all kinds of things, get the agencies to do all of this kind of stuff.

01:12:17.000 And it is just bureaucracy.

01:12:18.000 It's bureaucrats trying to figure out the best way to implement these things like Look at HHS, right?

01:12:24.000 They're like, oh, okay, we're going to implement trans policy by forcing insurance companies to cover all of these different kinds of surgeries. 0.74

01:12:31.000 The agriculture department is like, we're going to stop paying for free lunches for school kids if schools don't allow boys to use girls' bathrooms. 0.96

01:12:39.000 That's what we're going to do. 1.00

01:12:40.000 So it's a massive amount of ineptitude and failure from these people who all went to Nice state schools and now have jobs that they don't want to lose and it turns out that they're idiots and fools! 1.00

01:12:51.000 That's the real problem. 1.00

01:12:52.000 That's the issue that I see with so many conspiracy theories as well. 0.99

01:12:56.000 It would require, like a lot of these conspiracy theories would require intelligent people to be implementing these things and we are run by fools! 0.97

01:13:03.000 So do we charge them with treason? 0.98

01:13:05.000 Because ignorance of the law is not justification for breaking it.

01:13:08.000 Sure, charge them with treason and fire them all. 0.99

01:13:10.000 That would be ridiculous. 0.99

01:13:11.000 Fire everyone at the federal government. 0.94

01:13:13.000 Just get them out of office, save us a bunch of money, and start over. 0.96

01:13:18.000 At the very least, I'll say I'm sympathetic to that position.

01:13:20.000 One thing I'll mention, you brought up these schools that are having funds withheld from them for students to get lunches.

01:13:28.000 That was the Department of Agriculture, good old Tom Vilsack, who also decided that grants for farmers from the federal government should be based on race first.

01:13:37.000 And I remember when I covered that story, and everyone was like, no, nobody really cares about this, and I'm like, we're covering this story, dammit, we are covering this story.

01:13:45.000 Well, there's this weird thing where, like, every couple decades, left-wingers become more comfortable outwardly saying that we need to give farming subsidies and farms to people, not based on whether they know how to farm, but whether they're politically favored.

01:13:56.000 Like they never heard of Mao, you know what I mean?

01:13:58.000 You guys have tried the whole let's base who gets to be a farmer and who's advantage as a farmer on if we like you

01:14:05.000 politically and not like whether you can farm and treating all people 0.99

01:14:08.000 who can farm well equally instead of having like racial or political preferences.

01:14:12.000 Now, I also want to mention too, part of the irony here, which is the school lunches thing is probably the left's

01:14:20.000 number one issue to grandstand on. 0.98

01:14:22.000 And this is why it's always stupid, it's always short-sighted when conservatives say, you know what we need to do? 0.98

01:14:27.000 We need to go after the schools. 0.99

01:14:30.000 And it doesn't happen all that often, but whenever it does, it gets a tremendous amount of press from the left smearing the right.

01:14:34.000 Because of course, it's awful and it's terrible optics, but they'll say, look, these heartless conservatives don't want kids to get school lunches.

01:14:40.000 But then, When bureaucratic incompetence results in kids not getting

01:14:45.000 school lunches, we can't lay that at the feet of the people who are

01:14:48.000 comfortable with completely incompetent bureaucracies. It makes me think of like someone who takes

01:14:55.000 hostages being like, can you believe that the police department wants these hostages

01:14:59.000 to suffer because they won't give me a plane?

01:15:01.000 Like, it's just crazy!

01:15:03.000 That's like we always see in the movies like, you know, if this person dies it'll be your fault. 1.00

01:15:08.000 No, it's your stupid fault! 1.00

01:15:09.000 No, it's your fault! 1.00

01:15:10.000 You're the one choosing to be in this position.

01:15:11.000 I also have to say, can you just put yourself in this Dutch entrepreneur's position?

01:15:16.000 Who's like, hello US government, I appear to have too many of your emails.

01:15:19.000 I don't think you mean to be doing this.

01:15:21.000 Apparently this has been going on for years.

01:15:22.000 And nobody stops doing it! 1.00

01:15:24.000 it right and finally he's like fools what fools and idiots and finally he goes to the media and 0.99

01:15:28.000 is like this doesn't seem to be resolving itself but i have these emails and i don't want them and 0.99

01:15:33.000 i don't think you want to be sending them and i have to leave you're talking about the malaysian 0.93

01:15:37.000 guy they were probably sending them to the russians it's a dutch guy here who manages 0.77

01:15:41.000 uh the domain for the government of mali and so he is saying like this is happening and i just i

01:15:46.000 just want to know like did you call the pentagon and be like hello please help me like i i have

01:15:50.000 this weird for english press one pentagon would be like yeah it'd be no way to get yeah so well

01:15:55.000 i you know i want to ask you this because you have more experience working in tech i know you're

01:15:58.000 working for minds.com for a while and you have a technology background how difficult would it have

01:16:02.000 been for the pentagon over the course of the last 10 years you're just going to implement some kind

01:16:07.000 of software into the computers that are being used there to set off a flag if someone tries to email

01:16:12.000 a dot ml email address instead of You could have blocked it for sure.

01:16:15.000 Yeah, I mean, how difficult would something like that have been from a technological perspective?

01:16:20.000 I don't think that would be... I don't know for sure, but I would think that you could internally block the .ml... What is that called?

01:16:27.000 Xdecode?

01:16:28.000 I don't know what you'd call that, but you could block that.

01:16:30.000 Maybe they didn't even know the problem was happening though, so they didn't block it.

01:16:33.000 I mean, of course, it sounds like he had been saying things, but yeah, maybe. 0.98

01:16:38.000 I mean, maybe this is one of those things that people just never flagged or considered to be important enough to run up to the top, but it seems like a pretty massive vulnerability that there's a country that's triggering all this shit. 0.94

01:16:48.000 I'm wondering how this is- And then we have one Dutch guy who just wants to get off at five and go home. 0.96

01:16:51.000 They don't really care.

01:16:52.000 This one Dutch guy is like, what are we doing? 1.00

01:16:54.000 They're like, the Pentagon's like, what's Mali going to do?

01:16:57.000 Let's go home.

01:16:58.000 We're fine.

01:16:58.000 We're going home for the evening.

01:17:00.000 I'm not going to fix this.

01:17:01.000 I think it's also like there's probably like I want to say there's like one person who is like miss save some email and it's just like not aware they are the problem and it's continuously sending it out to the wrong thing.

01:17:13.000 I mean I find this whole situation so ridiculous and at the same time like hysterically funny.

01:17:19.000 I agree with you it's like something out of the office.

01:17:21.000 Is it intent like is it like I don't know, I don't want to say God, it's a little too vague, but like, is there like a force that's mind-controlling these people to send it to the Russian ally?

01:17:32.000 I think it's just poor dexterity!

01:17:35.000 I think they're just, they're rushing, they're not typing quickly enough. 1.00

01:17:37.000 It could just be stupidity, but like... 0.99

01:17:39.000 Ian, hold on. 1.00

01:17:40.000 Are you like, don't attribute to stupidity what you can attribute to madness? 1.00

01:17:45.000 No, I don't think it's intentional. 0.99

01:17:46.000 I don't think it's subconsciously intentional.

01:17:47.000 That should be a t-shirt.

01:17:48.000 That's an Ian shirt. 1.00

01:17:49.000 Don't attribute to stupidity what you can attribute to madness. 0.99

01:17:52.000 And they're like, whether we realize it or not, we're contributing to the demise of the liberal economic order. 0.99

01:17:57.000 I don't know.

01:17:58.000 I don't think that's really happening, but it's interesting when huge masses of people make the same mistake for a long period of time.

01:18:04.000 It's also interesting how much more invested people are in being careful when they have a stake in something.

01:18:09.000 So for example, as someone who runs a business, as someone who's responsible for You know, gaining their own income through the success of the operation that they've created and are building.

01:18:17.000 Like, I'm pretty careful when I send an email to a new domain.

01:18:20.000 I want to make sure I got it exactly right, especially if I'm sending information that I think could be, you know, sensitive, like a pitch guide or like an FLA file or something that I would want people outside of our organization to have.

01:18:30.000 But these people, I think a lot of them, they just don't feel like they have that much of a stake, so they're not paying as close of attention to what they're doing.

01:18:36.000 And you should feel like you have a massive stake because you're working for the Pentagon.

01:18:39.000 I think that's true with a lot of people who have jobs these days.

01:18:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:41.000 They don't feel like they have a stake.

01:18:43.000 Have you seen this thing where, what is it, Gen Z?

01:18:46.000 There's that whole quiet quitting thing.

01:18:49.000 There's the take it easy Monday thing.

01:18:51.000 There's the I'm not going to work as hard as I really could thing.

01:18:55.000 There's a lot of this going on.

01:18:57.000 And it's like civilization.

01:19:00.000 We have built civilization up to be so big and powerful and huge.

01:19:04.000 That it's going to take a while for it to collapse.

01:19:08.000 But all of these things are little pieces of collapse.

01:19:11.000 People not taking a stake.

01:19:14.000 People not caring what happens.

01:19:15.000 People thinking that they're going to continue to get paid and have jobs even if they stop doing any work.

01:19:21.000 It's one of the reasons I love talking to people who own a small business.

01:19:25.000 Like locally there's Black Dog Coffee in Chattanooga Junction and I was talking to a roaster who

01:19:30.000 just like started doing it for fun and then like when he was working in construction and

01:19:35.000 he couldn't do that anymore in 2007, he was like, I'll just go full time and he's built

01:19:39.000 this business where like the employees that I met there are like, no, I just, I really

01:19:42.000 believe in what we're doing and I like this product and I want it to be good.

01:19:45.000 There is a sense of pride of ownership and I love that.

01:19:48.000 I love that you have this idea that people are like, I am interested in this.

01:19:52.000 I'm intellectually engaged in it, but also like I'm roasting coffee.

01:19:55.000 I want it to be a good product.

01:19:57.000 I want people to feel satisfied like and maybe that I feel bad because I always sort of joke with my friends who work for corporate America.

01:20:05.000 It's like, oh, you're just your corporate gals. 0.99

01:20:07.000 You have some jargon and you do some meetings.

01:20:09.000 I'm like, what are you even doing?

01:20:11.000 And of course there are reasons to work for large companies.

01:20:14.000 I don't want to be completely Against it, but it is there is something like I'm saying like when I was talking to black dog coffee roasters I just really love hearing how passionate about what they what they do and I don't know I I I wish more people got to work in environments like that because when you work for sort of bigger Souls corporations when you feel detached from your work it eats away at who you are you feel dissatisfied Yeah, I would agree. 0.99

01:20:37.000 Also you're doing a disservice to the company that you're working for.

01:20:39.000 Yep.

01:20:39.000 They're gonna do worse.

01:20:41.000 Yeah.

01:20:41.000 And if they feel loyalty to you and you don't feel loyalty to the company, then that's a problem.

01:20:46.000 Absolutely.

01:20:47.000 Well, I think a lot of people not only don't feel any kind of ownership over the work they're doing, but apparently they don't feel a whole lot of ownership over the decisions that they've made.

01:20:54.000 This is something we see frequently with the student debt crisis, the student loan issues, and the fact that Democrats are trying to push to forgive all student loan debt if they can.

01:21:04.000 Not the Democratic Party officially, but many people in the party want all student loan debt to be forgiven.

01:21:08.000 Joe Biden was pushing for this.

01:21:10.000 Obviously, the Supreme Court wasn't having it, but we see here in some data that was published by Axios here that young Americans are likely to blame the Supreme Court and Republicans for a lack of debt forgiveness.

01:21:23.000 Now, here's a radical idea.

01:21:25.000 Maybe if you took out loans, the person you should blame for the fact that you are in debt is not the Supreme Court, And not the Republican Party, but yourself.

01:21:32.000 That said, I'm sympathetic to some of the arguments that advocates for student loan debt forgiveness make, just in the sense that if someone's already paid off more than they actually owed, but because they've been paying it off for so long and have such a high interest rate, that they're still in the hole, I do think there's something about that which is upsetting, especially considering these loans are federally guaranteed, so there isn't the same level of risk for the lenders who are collecting this massive interest rate.

01:21:57.000 I hear all of that.

01:21:58.000 That said, it's hard to be sympathetic when people who statistically are making significantly more than people without college degrees are demanding that those people pay their debts off for them, and people who also are earning at the same level as people who did pay off their degrees but had to take less money in the moment in order to pay that off and they want them to have their wages redistributed

01:22:19.000 or their salary redistributed to pay that debt off. So just to give you guys an idea of the

01:22:23.000 numbers here, if you graduate with a doctorate degree, your median earnings are $97,000 per

01:22:29.000 year. Your unemployment rate is about 1%. If you have a master's degree, your median salary is

01:22:34.000 like 77,000, about 78,000, and your unemployment rate's about 2%. When you get down to somebody

01:22:39.000 with a high school diploma, your median Salary is $38,000 a year and you have an unemployment rate

01:22:44.000 of 3.6% So people who have doctorates, people who have degrees, they make significantly more than people who don't have these degrees.

01:22:50.000 They also are significantly less likely to be unemployed.

01:22:54.000 So the idea that you could spend four to six years in an academic institution, even longer than that, depending on the track you were on, and accumulate debt throughout that time period, and then step out into the workforce after having all, you know, Many, if not all, in some circumstances of your living expenses taken care of through that four to six years, and then enter into the workforce not having had a job before, but being able to make more money than people who had a job through that four to six year period, four to eight year period, depending on your track, whatever, however long you took, is totally insane and totally selfish in my opinion.

01:23:24.000 Part of it, I think, is that people expect that if they study something, they're going to be able

01:23:29.000 to get a job in that field, and that getting a job in that field should be able to pay off their

01:23:34.000 student loans. And I think that that's short-sighted as well. I mean, if you go to college and you

01:23:38.000 study gender, and then you get a degree in philosophy or whatever, why would you think

01:23:44.000 that you're immediately going to be able to get a professorship and pay off your degree with that?

01:23:49.000 The idea is that you go to school. Sure, you can study what you want, but you have to then get a

01:23:54.000 job that's going to pay your bills with the salary that you make. So I think that the biggest problem

01:24:03.000 is the unrealistic expectations of the students who take out these loans.

01:24:07.000 I feel like the loan system, and I am not an economics person, but

01:24:11.000 It seems to me like it's just completely broken.

01:24:13.000 I know there is an argument for like you took out the loan so you know the consequences.

01:24:18.000 It does seem crazy to me that the federal government gets to say you can't default on this loan and also we will ultimately decide if we'll forgive it or not.

01:24:27.000 Like this seems like a broken system.

01:24:29.000 If you could default on student loans would you Issue them, right?

01:24:33.000 Like, a bank would take into account if you're getting a loan for a house, they take into account the kind of money you make, your financial history, and then they make a decision.

01:24:40.000 Does the federal government take into account what we need in terms of jobs?

01:24:44.000 So like, if you're a nursing student, do you get a better interest rate if you take out a student loan?

01:24:49.000 Like, are we giving loans to people where there is also jobs waiting for them at the end?

01:24:53.000 That system seems like it makes more sense than we currently have, which is like, You're 18 and can take out massive amounts of debt to study whatever you think may or may not, based on nothing, make money and be able to pay off this loan.

01:25:05.000 There doesn't seem to be the same system that we have for every other type of loan out there.

01:25:09.000 Yeah, no, I totally agree with you.

01:25:10.000 I think that if financial institutions weren't having these loans subsidized, they would be more careful about who they were going to give loans out to.

01:25:16.000 I think other things might be taken into consideration if the whole system wasn't rigged by these federally subsidized student loans.

01:25:22.000 You might even have financial institutions considering not only the major person has and the likelihood of getting a job and what they might earn at that job if they graduate, but also the likelihood of them graduating.

01:25:33.000 What kind of student were they in high school?

01:25:35.000 And ultimately, I think the loans would be significantly less expensive overall.

01:25:39.000 The National Bureau of Economic Research published a paper several years ago where they essentially confirmed that Universities and colleges respond to the widened access and easily available money by doing, guess what?

01:25:51.000 Raising the prices.

01:25:53.000 Look at that.

01:25:54.000 And most of the raises in tuition actually don't correlate with an increased number of people in the faculty.

01:25:59.000 They actually hire more administrators.

01:26:01.000 Yes.

01:26:02.000 I know there are many people who have made the argument.

01:26:04.000 Exactly.

01:26:05.000 And so I know many people who've made the arguments that there are many colleges that they're basically hedge funds with a kind of educational front built atop.

01:26:13.000 They take this money, they invest it, they end up growing their wealth, kids are paying their to get an education.

01:26:19.000 They don't necessarily improve the quality of that education as students move through and the tuition goes up and they're laughing all the way to the bank.

01:26:25.000 And people end up in this kind of I don't want to call it debt slavery because that seems a bit hyperbolic, but they end up owing significant portions of their income for the foreseeable future.

01:26:37.000 And again, the one reason I am not sympathetic to the people who push for student loan forgiveness, even though I am sympathetic to people with student loans, is because I don't think that people who made the decision not to go to college and who are making less than you should have to bite the bullet.

01:26:51.000 Or also, I mean, I'm sure we all know people who took out, you know, hundreds of thousands

01:26:55.000 of dollars in student loans, and we also know people who made the decision to go to colleges

01:27:00.000 that were less expensive so that they didn't have to be burdened with that loan debt or

01:27:03.000 made other decisions about how they were going to be educated.

01:27:08.000 And I think that's really valid as well.

01:27:10.000 I know one of my cousins, very intelligent, wanted to go to a top school, decided to go to a state school, had enough money to pay for that, did that, and is now not saddled with student loan debt, has a good job, has a mortgage, has a couple of kids, doesn't have to pay for school still.

01:27:26.000 I think part of it is the false promise that, you know, college is this door to some great, uh, you know, ladder to the elite, or just more, uh, financial comfort or stability, when that's not the case anymore.

01:27:37.000 I think you can falsely sell to people if you go to the most elite university you can go to.

01:27:41.000 Even if it puts you in hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt, you are guaranteed success in the future.

01:27:46.000 And that's just not the case, even though... Right, that's not true either, yeah.

01:27:48.000 But it is more likely, though.

01:27:49.000 I mean, statistically, the higher your degree level is, or the higher your education level is, the more likely you are to earn more money.

01:27:54.000 What I'm saying is, yes, you may...

01:27:56.000 As studies show, have more employment, things like that.

01:28:00.000 But if you put yourself in debt, you always have that debt.

01:28:04.000 It doesn't go away the first day.

01:28:05.000 You would then have to budget yourself accordingly.

01:28:07.000 You'd have to take a job that you can pay it off.

01:28:09.000 You'd have to choose a lifestyle that accommodates this debt.

01:28:12.000 And if you don't want to have to do that, you make choices differently.

01:28:15.000 And ultimately, you're able to potentially generate wealth more quickly because you don't have to immediately overcome this obstacle you've given yourself, which is massive student loan debt.

01:28:24.000 Yeah, well, there's a couple different ways of looking at this, but here's one way I look at it.

01:28:28.000 Firstly, if you got a degree that was very useful and you're earning a lot of money and you're the kind of person whose student loan debt we would want to pay off because you're massively contributing, you're making enough money to pay off your student loan debts, right?

01:28:39.000 If you're somebody who majored in something useless and so you're not making any money, well, why would we subsidize useless degrees? 0.99

01:28:45.000 You think that if you forgive student loan debt... Well, that's stupid, too. 0.97

01:28:47.000 You think if we forgive people student loan debt, that's not going to have an effect on the market? 0.72

01:28:51.000 That's not going to have an effect on the number of people taking out student loans?

01:28:53.000 That's not going to have an effect on tuition costs?

01:28:55.000 Of course it's going to.

01:28:55.000 It's going to make the problem worse.

01:28:57.000 Yeah, it will make it worse.

01:28:58.000 When can we just declare the student loan debt experiment dead?

01:29:00.000 That's what I want to know.

01:29:02.000 But it's not a collective.

01:29:03.000 this system because it seems broken and even if they forgave some massive amount of student

01:29:07.000 loan debts and by some crazy odds, which is obviously unrealistic, it didn't hurt the

01:29:13.000 economy somewhere else.

01:29:14.000 When do we say, okay, we've learned a lesson.

01:29:16.000 This system is not working.

01:29:17.000 We are going to do something else because ultimately that's what bothers me the most.

01:29:21.000 But it's not a collective approach.

01:29:22.000 We don't have a collectivist approach.

01:29:23.000 No.

01:29:25.000 Student loans should not have interest attached to them.

01:29:27.000 That's my first opinion.

01:29:28.000 That's a huge issue.

01:29:29.000 I think if it's federally guaranteed, it should be modified at least.

01:29:34.000 Can't you end up having to pay interest on your interest?

01:29:36.000 Yeah, that's compounding interest, and children don't understand that.

01:29:39.000 I call it the most powerful force in the universe.

01:29:43.000 We've sold them a false bill of goods, too.

01:29:45.000 Like, pursue your dreams and everything will work out. 1.00

01:29:47.000 That's total crap. 0.99

01:29:48.000 It's not true. 1.00

01:29:49.000 It's just a lie.

01:29:50.000 I think your dreams have to, like, look, there's a couple things.

01:29:53.000 Like, your dreams have to be good.

01:29:55.000 They also have to line up with what it makes the most sense for you to be doing in the world, right?

01:29:58.000 There's so many layers of this.

01:29:59.000 Like, some people have genuinely bad dreams, right?

01:30:01.000 Some people want to do things that would actually not be good for the world.

01:30:04.000 And then there are some people who want to do something good, but maybe they're not the best person for it, right?

01:30:08.000 There are a lot of layers to this.

01:30:09.000 I think there are a lot of people who dream of putting in no effort.

01:30:11.000 That's the other thing.

01:30:12.000 Yeah, well, yes.

01:30:13.000 There's sort of a lack of discipline.

01:30:15.000 Like I said, if we had to line up a bunch of 18 year olds and be like, hey, you could major in whatever you want,

01:30:21.000 but I'll tell you that these are the industries that need workers, they have salaries.

01:30:26.000 If you get through this degree, you will have money at the end.

01:30:29.000 There's gonna be a lag there though.

01:30:31.000 As soon as you say like, these are the industries where we need people to come do work,

01:30:35.000 it's gonna take what, like 10 years for people to get up to speed in that area

01:30:40.000 and then things will have been done.

01:30:40.000 Better than nothing though, right?

01:30:42.000 And I think part of it is like, Why don't we train children to make rational decisions

01:30:46.000 about their future?

01:30:48.000 Why are we also indulging this culture of like, you could do anything, but then you have to be responsible for the consequences of that.

01:30:56.000 I can't say for sure, you know, hey, we need nurses. 0.95

01:31:00.000 There's obviously a delay.

01:31:01.000 On the other hand, nursing is a super flexible career.

01:31:04.000 If you're at all interested in the sciences, you could make any kind of career with that, even if initially you go into one specific field.

01:31:10.000 What are we supposed to do with all these kids who just want to be social media influencers and they don't even want to do real jobs?

01:31:15.000 Travel nurses have a huge Instagram love following.

01:31:19.000 That's what's coming.

01:31:20.000 That's what's after this.

01:31:21.000 Well, and this is one of the problems, right?

01:31:23.000 People will talk about UBI.

01:31:24.000 One of the, of course, massive flaws with it, not just as a concept, but particularly in this culture, is we don't live in a society where doing things that are necessarily the most useful for the group are the most highly valued.

01:31:35.000 So you're going to have a bunch of people trying to pursue lifestyles and career choices with their UBI that actually don't really help other people.

01:31:41.000 Yeah, talking about people that are talking about things.

01:31:44.000 People making, like, weed sculptures.

01:31:45.000 Like, you could argue what we're doing right now is talking about people that are talking about things.

01:31:49.000 That's not contributing.

01:31:51.000 Well, it's a storytelling.

01:31:52.000 So storytelling is contributing.

01:31:53.000 And if you're good at it, it's extremely contributing to society.

01:31:56.000 But like, not everybody, we don't need everybody to be a storyteller.

01:32:00.000 You only need a small percentage of the world to be fantastic storyteller.

01:32:03.000 I mean, you really don't need, you know, you need people to do things.

01:32:06.000 And then the storytellers will tell the story of what you did.

01:32:09.000 Well, I don't think the fact that the careers that we're in aren't necessarily as high demand as other things out there.

01:32:14.000 And this actually goes back to trades, honestly.

01:32:17.000 There are a lot of trades that need people to pursue them because we're running short.

01:32:20.000 The fact that my particular skill set doesn't mean that I'm in a high demand career doesn't bother me.

01:32:26.000 I just think that if you're 18 and being given information, hey, If you don't want to have debt or if you're going to take on debt, this is a career field you might want to consider because it will allow you to more easily pay it off.

01:32:37.000 Maybe don't study interpretive dance or take a couple classes on the side.

01:32:41.000 My degree is in, what is my degree in?

01:32:44.000 I have a Master of Fine Arts.

01:32:45.000 It's so funny.

01:32:46.000 Nice! 0.94

01:32:46.000 Yeah, and it's in playwriting. 0.94

01:32:50.000 I studied playwriting.

01:32:51.000 Well, that's one of those Masters you don't usually end up getting a huge earning potential.

01:32:56.000 I did not get a huge earning potential with that.

01:33:00.000 But, you know, perhaps I did, or a lot of my classmates did anyway, right?

01:33:04.000 And now they're all on strike in Hollywood.

01:33:05.000 Well, let me tell you something.

01:33:07.000 We've got a huge earning potential, which is why we're going to go over to Super Chats, ladies. 1.00

01:33:12.000 These transitions have been just incredible tonight.

01:33:15.000 On the other hand, we're going to transition into a new story right now.

01:33:19.000 To hop on over.

01:33:21.000 I feel like Tim on the farm is not nervous for this, at least the transitions of his job.

01:33:25.000 No, he's hanging out with goats.

01:33:26.000 This has been a fun show, you guys.

01:33:28.000 This has been a fun show, and Tim's having fun on the farm, running around with the other journalists.

01:33:31.000 I can't wait till he's back from the farm.

01:33:33.000 Yeah, he'll definitely be back.

01:33:35.000 I want you to know that Tim may like the farm.

01:33:37.000 He may choose to stay there for a little bit longer.

01:33:38.000 Yeah, but he's got a farm here.

01:33:40.000 He'll definitely be back.

01:33:41.000 What about the chickens?

01:33:43.000 Have y'all considered hanging out with, like, another guy wearing a beanie?

01:33:45.000 Like, do you think it'd be fun to make some new friends?

01:33:47.000 You know what?

01:33:49.000 This weekend we are gonna go to the skate park and we are gonna pick you out another beanie friend. 1.00

01:33:53.000 That's what we're gonna do.

01:33:54.000 Just to keep you company while Tim's gone.

01:33:56.000 Yeah, just keep you company for a while, while Tim's gone.

01:33:58.000 That is so considerate.

01:34:00.000 Yeah, well, you know I'm a nice guy.

01:34:01.000 I'm excited for this weekend.

01:34:02.000 That's why Tim put me in charge here while he was gone.

01:34:05.000 I feel like he didn't put you in charge, you just campaigned endlessly and then he was like, why?

01:34:09.000 Did you campaign?

01:34:11.000 I actually didn't, I said I begged him, I begged him, I said, please, I said I can't do this, please Tim, and he said you have to, he said I need this from you before I go off to the farms.

01:34:19.000 You have to grow as a person.

01:34:20.000 I'm bigger than I used to be.

01:34:20.000 Exactly, that's right.

01:34:22.000 We have here... On the other hand, we have Supertramp.

01:34:26.000 We do have super chats.

01:34:27.000 I'm not your buddy, guys, as I've spoken to enough leftists to know that Kamala didn't slip up when she said reduce the population.

01:34:34.000 These people genuinely desire it.

01:34:36.000 What do you all have to say about that?

01:34:38.000 I thought that was amazing when she said that we should reduce the population for climate change, and I'm pretty sure she means it.

01:34:42.000 And I believe that that's true because she is pro-abortion, she is pro-sterilizing kids through sex changes, and she's pro-war. 0.74

01:34:50.000 So she's anti-life, She's pro-destruction, reducing population, and she thinks we should do it for climate change.

01:34:57.000 Yeah, I mean, by definition, right, if you're... This is so interesting because it depends on how you frame things.

01:35:02.000 When someone says, there are too many people and we need to, like, you know, promote methods for poverty relief in the third world, such as contraceptive methods.

01:35:10.000 It's like, that's literally calling for, like, population control.

01:35:13.000 You know what's really good for poverty relief?

01:35:15.000 Fossil fuels.

01:35:16.000 That is what has raised people out of poverty globally for decades and decades.

01:35:21.000 And normal nuclear families, mom and dad at home together. 0.79

01:35:24.000 It's also very good.

01:35:26.000 So we have from Michael, as a Catholic animator of half Irish descent, I'm 50% sure Seamus did not take the spoons.

01:35:33.000 Which part of you is sure?

01:35:35.000 No, he did.

01:35:36.000 Wait.

01:35:39.000 Watch.

01:35:39.000 Watch him.

01:35:40.000 That's not something I would do.

01:35:42.000 You guys know I wouldn't do something like that.

01:35:43.000 He's shaking.

01:35:44.000 You guys know that's not me.

01:35:45.000 Yeah.

01:35:46.000 Come on.

01:35:47.000 I have never in my life seen anyone in this room use a spoon, and I will stand by that.

01:35:52.000 See that?

01:35:53.000 She just offended me. 0.96

01:35:54.000 You have it from Hannah Clare.

01:35:55.000 I didn't do anything with the spoons.

01:35:56.000 She just said that.

01:35:57.000 Occasionally Ian uses one in his coffee to stir it, but I've never seen him eat soup.

01:36:01.000 I don't know.

01:36:01.000 Ian does use spoons.

01:36:02.000 That's kind of interesting.

01:36:03.000 I just drink it out of the bowl.

01:36:04.000 I always travel with a spoon.

01:36:06.000 I definitely have seen spoons in your coffee.

01:36:09.000 One big wooden spoon.

01:36:10.000 Yeah, I keep using the same one.

01:36:11.000 It doesn't dangle and cling because Luke was getting nuts about it.

01:36:15.000 You got sick of Tim's dangling and clinging spoons so you hid them under the house.

01:36:20.000 No, Luke got annoyed with the spoon sounds.

01:36:23.000 Interesting.

01:36:25.000 I wouldn't put it past Luke to steal some spoons.

01:36:27.000 I'm just saying, Luke Rudkowski.

01:36:30.000 My mom has really long wooden tasting spoons and not any other kind of normal spoons to cook with. 1.00

01:36:36.000 So I end up stirring spaghetti in these giant pots with spoons that are like this long and like that much spoon on the end.

01:36:43.000 We have here from Revolver Taco, what if some Republican decided to filibuster the sex ed book for kids and see what happens?

01:36:52.000 Tell me that wouldn't bring some attention to it.

01:36:53.000 I think that's a brilliant idea.

01:36:55.000 Now here's the thing.

01:36:55.000 That would be public obscenity.

01:36:57.000 I wouldn't want kids to end up seeing that, but I'm curious about what the response from the media would be.

01:37:01.000 The response would be the same as it's been at school boards.

01:37:03.000 When parents show up and start reading these books out loud to the school board saying, why are you giving this to my fourth grader?

01:37:08.000 And the school board says, that's too, you know, that's too pornographic.

01:37:13.000 Put it back on the shelf.

01:37:14.000 We can't listen to that here in the school board.

01:37:16.000 And the moms are all like, you're giving this to my children!

01:37:19.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:37:20.000 It's too gross to talk about it in show, so put it back on the kids' shelves.

01:37:23.000 So give it back to the children.

01:37:25.000 They can look at it in private.

01:37:26.000 Well, this is the thing.

01:37:27.000 They always want to hide what they're doing from you.

01:37:29.000 So this is another example.

01:37:30.000 Whenever pro-lifers show a picture of what happens in an unborn child in an abortion, the left goes, you can't show people that!

01:37:36.000 Like, wait, the people who do it are heroes, but I can't look at what's being done?

01:37:39.000 That's kind of interesting.

01:37:40.000 You know what's crazy?

01:37:40.000 When I was in eighth grade, so I went through confirmation, and at my church they showed the entire confirmation class a video of an abortion on a big screen.

01:37:50.000 Just some fun festive stuff for a couple of days.

01:37:52.000 I mean, it's good that they showed you the people.

01:37:55.000 You know, I have not been able to be pro-abortion ever since.

01:37:58.000 I mean, I really think there is something to giving the information.

01:38:02.000 It was very clear.

01:38:04.000 I still remember it, even though it was black and white.

01:38:07.000 But that's the thing.

01:38:10.000 If we're gonna make people make these really difficult, intense decisions, why aren't we just upfront about the consequences?

01:38:16.000 I think it's shame.

01:38:18.000 Honestly, it's such a lame thing, but I think it is.

01:38:19.000 No, I think it's manipulation.

01:38:20.000 I think people don't want you to know kind of what's happening.

01:38:23.000 Probably for war, because I was thinking about why don't they show the horrors of war, because they want to keep doing it.

01:38:27.000 Sure.

01:38:28.000 You look at war propaganda from back in the day and it was like, we're going to go over there and beat those Germans and we're not coming back until it's over over there. 0.84

01:38:35.000 They weren't showing you the gritty realities of what happened.

01:38:37.000 Young men, this is the thing, young men signed up to fight in the First World War in droves because they were afraid that the war would end before they had the opportunity to be deployed.

01:38:46.000 They thought it was going to be a fun adventure.

01:38:48.000 A lot of people signed up to be in the U.S.

01:38:50.000 Armed Forces after 9-11.

01:38:53.000 And that didn't look fun at all.

01:38:54.000 I mean, we saw people jumping out of buildings.

01:38:56.000 Absolutely.

01:38:57.000 It's interesting because after that point, you're right, we did have films that I think, of course, couldn't capture the reality of war, but didn't sugarcoat it the way that a lot of propaganda pieces from the past did.

01:39:07.000 But what they still did is they gave young men, and I think Americans in general, a sense of pride and honor in what our military had done in the past.

01:39:14.000 So even though you saw the struggle, it was something that you wanted to be able to own.

01:39:17.000 It was a struggle that you kind of wanted to be yours, and I think that's why so many young men were willing to enlist, even after seeing the horrific reality or at least the pale image of the horrific reality

01:39:26.000 that could be captured in a film.

01:39:28.000 And I will say, I think as a society we have less exposure to death probably.

01:39:32.000 I mean, this isn't true for everybody, but as modern medicine has advanced, you know,

01:39:36.000 you go from hearing stories of like families that have 12 children and only three survive

01:39:40.000 into adulthood.

01:39:41.000 Right, that happened a lot.

01:39:42.000 We, it doesn't have to just be war, but the idea that there are consequences, that there

01:39:46.000 is sort of death and destruction around us.

01:39:48.000 At one point was maybe more present and I am grateful that we have moved past it in

01:39:51.000 a lot of ways, but I do think it is important to acknowledge that like,

01:39:54.000 There are really difficult things that happen in order for you to sometimes make the choices.

01:39:59.000 And if you are numb to them, then like... That's like Albert Camus talks about having witnessed executions, like public executions.

01:40:06.000 Yeah.

01:40:08.000 That was something like, if you used to, when there was capital punishment, that would happen in public.

01:40:13.000 Yeah.

01:40:13.000 And now it's very hidden.

01:40:15.000 Well, it's interesting too, because that's also part of what makes it a deterrent.

01:40:18.000 In a massive way, like doing it in public.

01:40:20.000 Yeah, if you see someone being hanged, that's severe.

01:40:21.000 Yeah, you're like, you know, maybe I'm not going to do the thing he did.

01:40:24.000 Here's an idea.

01:40:26.000 Not that, right?

01:40:28.000 Speaking of crime and criminal behavior, we have a very important super chat here from Noah Prunier.

01:40:34.000 This is a very important one that I really have to read here.

01:40:36.000 Don't mind here, just defending the potato man.

01:40:39.000 There's no proof these spoons were stolen.

01:40:41.000 Personally, I'm glad Tim got what was coming to him and got sent to the farm for these baseless accusations.

01:40:48.000 Spoons come and go, but Chimcast is forever.

01:40:50.000 He didn't get sent to the farm.

01:40:51.000 He chose to go.

01:40:52.000 No, no, no.

01:40:53.000 He got sent to the farm, but it was in his best interest.

01:40:55.000 And he did what he deserved.

01:40:57.000 Tim was doing a lot of really hard work, and we care about him, so we found a nice farm for him to go to.

01:41:03.000 Did he at least go on the Tesla?

01:41:05.000 He's having fun.

01:41:06.000 He's in a better place, you might say.

01:41:07.000 His head was out the window the whole time. He loved it.

01:41:09.000 I did yesterday.

01:41:09.000 He's having fun.

01:41:10.000 He's in a better place, you might say.

01:41:13.000 Yes.

01:41:14.000 Thank you.

01:41:14.000 With wind and sun.

01:41:16.000 And so, the thing I want to say about the Super 10, there's a couple things.

01:41:19.000 Endless skateboarding.

01:41:20.000 I want to point out the numerous ways in which this exonerates me.

01:41:25.000 Firstly, he refers to me as the potato man, which means he has a racist bias against me.

01:41:30.000 And he's still defending me because the evidence is extremely strong in my favor.

01:41:34.000 So we have a testimony from someone who's actually disinclined to agree with me.

01:41:38.000 They're saying there's no proof I stole the spoons.

01:41:40.000 That's absolutely true.

01:41:41.000 They're also happy for Tim that he was sent to the farm.

01:41:44.000 They liked Tim.

01:41:45.000 The proof is in the pudding!

01:41:47.000 Did you eat the pudding with my spoons?

01:41:48.000 Well, there were like six spoons in the pudding!

01:41:49.000 I didn't, I didn't do it, I had nothing to do with it, I don't even eat pudding!

01:41:52.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

01:41:53.000 Yeah.

01:41:53.000 There we go.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, no, Shimcast is forever, I appreciate it.

01:41:56.000 That was a lame joke that I just made, by the way.

01:41:58.000 I laugh at lame jokes, I love lame jokes.

01:42:00.000 I actually would have gone for it. 1.00

01:42:02.000 Stupid jokes are my favorite. 1.00

01:42:03.000 I would have done the same thing. 1.00

01:42:04.000 Do you guys think I've got low energy today, or is it more settling?

01:42:07.000 No, no, no.

01:42:07.000 You're in a good spot.

01:42:08.000 Listen, dude.

01:42:09.000 You're working out.

01:42:10.000 You're getting amped.

01:42:11.000 One of the side effects is you make a dad joke every now and again.

01:42:13.000 You know why?

01:42:13.000 Because you're working on that dad bod, baby.

01:42:15.000 You're getting ripped.

01:42:15.000 Thanks, brother.

01:42:16.000 That's right.

01:42:18.000 We have Michael Beacon.

01:42:23.000 To the Bloomberg writer, emphasizing the difference between hemophilia and pedophilia is never a good look.

01:42:29.000 Agreed.

01:42:30.000 Also, check out Ink Slayer Entertainment on the Discord, Showcase, and the .com.

01:42:35.000 Thank you so much for your chat.

01:42:40.000 It's kind of funny because does this person like send the article up being like, I just wrote this piece, like, hope you guys check it out.

01:42:45.000 I worked really hard on it.

01:42:46.000 And it's like, we should defend the pedophiles.

01:42:48.000 Yeah, I think very unlikely.

01:42:51.000 I think it must be so weird for like a circle to be like, wow, interesting.

01:42:57.000 Yeah, I think defending the pedophiles is always a bad look.

01:42:59.000 Always.

01:43:00.000 And also a bad for society really.

01:43:02.000 Yeah, expose the pedophiles.

01:43:04.000 And I mean, expose the way they think that will help people not to become them.

01:43:09.000 Or will it encourage other people to become them?

01:43:11.000 I wonder.

01:43:11.000 I'm taking a stab in the dark.

01:43:12.000 I don't know.

01:43:14.000 But we haven't tried it yet, so maybe.

01:43:16.000 But, I mean, locking them up forever seems to work.

01:43:18.000 So we should keep doing that.

01:43:19.000 Like El Salvador.

01:43:20.000 They locked up... How many people did they lock up in El Salvador?

01:43:23.000 Like 30,000 people?

01:43:25.000 They now have a very... They went from, like, the highest murder rate to, like... As it turns out, jails work.

01:43:32.000 You know, putting people in jail actually works.

01:43:34.000 We have from JamesHatesEverything, .ML is an easy fix at the server.

01:43:38.000 You can set up, excuse me, a mailer table to redirect any .ML to MIL, or better yet, to get an infosec box to scream at the sender.

01:43:51.000 See, this is somebody who should probably be working at the Pentagon, right?

01:43:53.000 No, he's too competent.

01:43:54.000 He's basically saying you could have taken any emails that they accidentally sent to Mal- not Malaysia.

01:43:58.000 Mali.

01:43:58.000 Mali, and then you could have them redirected to the military from all those computers.

01:44:02.000 It would just have to be like an auto-redirect?

01:44:04.000 Yeah, or you could have it sent back to them and be like, what are you doing?!

01:44:07.000 Stop! 1.00

01:44:08.000 This is Mali!

01:44:09.000 Um, we have from Captain Titus, uh, on the Pentagon issue, you can 100% block addresses to a firewall, so all internal emails can go to that particular extension.

01:44:19.000 Okay, so is everyone who watches TimCast smarter than everyone at the Pentagon?

01:44:28.000 I just pulled the quote from the Pentagon.

01:44:30.000 It says, while it's not impossible to implement technical controls preventing the use of personal email accounts for government business, the department continues to provide direction and training to DOD personnel.

01:44:39.000 The office of the DOD CIO oversees this matter.

01:44:45.000 So they're saying like, we have an issue.

01:44:47.000 We can't totally figure out how to stop it.

01:44:50.000 We think that there could be a technical solution, but we're still trying to train people on what not to do.

01:44:55.000 But did they insinuate they're letting people use their private or personal emails to work at the Pentagon?

01:45:01.000 Yeah, just like Hillary Clinton. 1.00

01:45:02.000 Then that's why they weren't able to change the way that the things were directing, because they're letting them use, like, Google. 0.94

01:45:07.000 That is so ridiculous.

01:45:08.000 But what they're saying is, like, we're still working on training them to add the I to the end of this. 0.60

01:45:13.000 That shouldn't be, like, a big training.

01:45:14.000 You know what?

01:45:15.000 Because they have plenty of DEI training.

01:45:17.000 They have plenty of, like, LGBT orientation training, but they can't tell them how to do their jobs correctly. 1.00

01:45:23.000 Maybe that's why they wanted to end the QIA to that one. 0.91

01:45:25.000 They're like, we have to have I's in everything so we set the end.

01:45:28.000 Right.

01:45:29.000 Brilliant.

01:45:29.000 We have from Project Addington, says the cartoonist should be renamed Spoonanon?

01:45:38.000 Shaman? 0.86

01:45:38.000 Are you kidding me? 0.86

01:45:39.000 Spoonanon a shamana? 0.86

01:45:40.000 Yeah, well they're talking, I think that's a derogatory reference to the QAnon shaman.

01:45:46.000 Jacob Chansley!

01:45:49.000 Thank you for using the proper name, and I think that my proper name should be used, because here's the deal.

01:45:53.000 This Spoonanon label that has been thrown at me by those in the establishment who are threatened by the fact that I'm speaking truth And only know how to dismiss things by calling them conspiracy theories is really a worse look for them than it is for me.

01:46:06.000 You can't delegitimize every single counterfactual that I put out there against Tim's narrative which upholds my innocence by calling me spooning on forever.

01:46:15.000 Can I have a follow-up question?

01:46:16.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:46:17.000 When is your movie, Sound of Spoon Dumb, coming out?

01:46:20.000 I just can't wait to see it.

01:46:20.000 We're working on it.

01:46:22.000 I want to point something out.

01:46:23.000 Of course, there is no proof that you stole the spoons, Seamus, but there is a heavy amount.

01:46:27.000 You can stop.

01:46:29.000 I think you've said enough.

01:46:30.000 I believe that Tim had no spoons, and then you brought them back.

01:46:35.000 Or you brought them in, I should say, from elsewhere.

01:46:39.000 And that's all the data we have at this point.

01:46:41.000 I'm not commenting on the particulars of the situation at this point other than to say that I am innocent.

01:46:47.000 We have from, excuse me, I'm gonna try to pronounce this, uh, A-E-M-T, I don't know if they want me to say, like, Amt, or, you know, A-E-M-T 2020, you're right!

01:46:59.000 You're right!

01:47:00.000 That's a good point!

01:47:01.000 Look, because these wonderful people are giving us their hard-earned money.

01:47:06.000 I want to get their moniker right.

01:47:08.000 You want to get their spoons right.

01:47:09.000 That's right.

01:47:10.000 This is, um, Oh my gosh.

01:47:14.000 Went to the movies tonight and saw Sound of Freedom.

01:47:17.000 Sold out in their town.

01:47:17.000 I don't want to knock them.

01:47:19.000 So we saw Indiana Jones instead.

01:47:21.000 It's all over the place and no one's motives are clear.

01:47:23.000 Everyone just wants the dial.

01:47:25.000 Yeah, what have the box office numbers been for... I think they broke a hundred.

01:47:30.000 Is that right?

01:47:31.000 I know they broke fifty million.

01:47:32.000 I'll look it up now.

01:47:33.000 Last week.

01:47:34.000 And then, as you're looking it up, my mom just texted me.

01:47:37.000 She's like, hey, that movie you were telling me about, my friend just came over and told me I should go see it.

01:47:41.000 I was like, you should.

01:47:42.000 It is wild.

01:47:43.000 This word-of-mouth thing has been so interesting to me.

01:47:46.000 And it's actual.

01:47:48.000 If you saw the Avengers movie, you're like, it's great, you should see it.

01:47:50.000 I would probably not go.

01:47:51.000 It's interesting that this movie that people know is kind of heavy, they're still willing to go see when it's recommended to them.

01:47:57.000 I'm seeing it earned over $85 million since it opened on July 4th, according to Box Office Mojo.

01:48:02.000 Is that really recent?

01:48:04.000 That was through this weekend, I believe.

01:48:06.000 And does that include the Pay It Forward?

01:48:09.000 I would imagine that counts towards the box office, but I could be incorrect about that.

01:48:13.000 It was a joy to have Tim Ballard on the show.

01:48:15.000 I interviewed him when he premiered the film in DC.

01:48:18.000 He was really an exceptional human being.

01:48:21.000 Extremely.

01:48:22.000 Just very mild-mannered, very humble.

01:48:24.000 Dude, if I was out there doing that, I'd be like, yeah, that's me.

01:48:28.000 I'm the one who stops the pedal.

01:48:30.000 I'm the one doing the thing.

01:48:31.000 And he's so humble about it.

01:48:32.000 He's like part of the process.

01:48:35.000 I actually asked him about that same question that the Berlatsky Prostasia guy was talking about, like the difference between human trafficking and all of that stuff.

01:48:45.000 And I was asking him about how the left is trying to say that Stranger Danger is not a big deal and that all of this happens at home.

01:48:54.000 And he was like, yeah, I mean, of course, exploitation can come from anywhere.

01:48:58.000 This is what I was working on, you know?

01:49:01.000 But he's, of course, aware of all that stuff.

01:49:03.000 He's aware of that framing.

01:49:04.000 Yeah, he's... I mean, one thing that the... One thing they mentioned while they were here was just what a bold choice it was to release the film on the 4th of July because all the biggest films in the country tend to be released around that date.

01:49:15.000 And they did.

01:49:16.000 And man, they're crushing.

01:49:17.000 They're crushing.

01:49:17.000 So go see it!

01:49:18.000 So go see Sound of Freedom.

01:49:19.000 We're not gonna stop plugging it till it's not in theaters anymore.

01:49:22.000 I might even see it again.

01:49:22.000 Honestly.

01:49:23.000 That movie was wild.

01:49:24.000 So...

01:49:27.000 Speaking of Michael Malice, I just tweeted at him yesterday. 0.99

01:49:29.000 but uh... never never tribute to stupidity that which can be adequately 0.96

01:49:33.000 explained by michael malice that's also fair to michael malice have something to 0.99

01:49:36.000 do with this michael malice you

01:49:39.000 the spoon thing? or are we referring to... just any of the stuff... speaking of michael malice i just tweeted at him

01:49:43.000 yesterday i'm concerned that the pharmaceutical industry is going to

01:49:46.000 start telling people to get white pilled

01:49:48.000 he just wrote the book you know This is another dad joke, and I'm here for it.

01:49:53.000 I'm afraid, because they're going to be like, did you take your white pill yet?

01:49:56.000 Are you white-pilled?

01:49:57.000 And then they'll show their PharmaMed, and I'm like, oh no.

01:49:59.000 I love bad jokes.

01:50:01.000 You're like a whole new person with these extra calories and these workout routines.

01:50:05.000 Look at me, I'm lighting up.

01:50:07.000 Yeah, just wait.

01:50:08.000 Do you feel better?

01:50:12.000 No, not yet.

01:50:12.000 I feel kind of bloated because I'm trying to pack in 2,800 calories and I've only got like 1,700.

01:50:16.000 Why 2,800?

01:50:16.000 That's a lot.

01:50:17.000 It's a lot because I'm trying to gain 15 pounds in two weeks.

01:50:23.000 That doesn't sound healthy, Ian.

01:50:25.000 No, it's two pounds a week for six weeks.

01:50:27.000 Okay, that's different.

01:50:27.000 That sounds slightly better.

01:50:29.000 2,800 calories.

01:50:29.000 I'm not a health expert.

01:50:31.000 Did you buy new clothes yet?

01:50:32.000 No, not yet.

01:50:33.000 Not yet.

01:50:33.000 I'm going to stretch out my mediums.

01:50:35.000 I think so.

01:50:35.000 So we have trock754 said, our society fell when tolerance was embraced as a core virtue.

01:50:42.000 Tolerating immorality is not virtuous.

01:50:44.000 Why haven't conservatives had any guts?

01:50:47.000 That's a fantastic question.

01:50:48.000 I've talked about this a lot.

01:50:49.000 I think part of it is because conservatives have their own set of vices that they don't want anyone to criticize, so they'll say something like, Homosexuality is bad, or transgenderism is bad, but they like totally reject the telos of sex themselves because they won't stand out and speak up against contraceptives.

01:51:03.000 And so, they have their own skeletons in their closet, and that makes them feel like, who am I to judge?

01:51:08.000 Who am I to say that anything is wrong in this arena?

01:51:10.000 Because I'm also doing something sexually immoral.

01:51:12.000 I think that's a huge part of it.

01:51:13.000 I don't think that's the only thing.

01:51:14.000 They've also been shamed.

01:51:15.000 One thing the left has been brilliant at, and I mentioned this earlier, Firstly, they try to claim any negative behavior is totally impossible to avoid.

01:51:25.000 Some people are always going to do it.

01:51:26.000 We need to give an outlet for it.

01:51:27.000 And the other thing they do is they turn everything into a race analog.

01:51:32.000 So whenever someone's doing something that we broadly accept is not good, they try to claim that the people doing said thing were born with a proclivity for that thing, so that any criticism of them is actually a criticism of their immutable characteristics, which they had at birth, which is essentially something that they do so that they can find a way to recapture the civil rights era nostalgia and play with the framing of, these are just people who were born this way and you hate them for characteristics they can't control.

01:52:00.000 It's a big part of why I criticize behavior and not the person themselves, which is why I criticize pedophilia and not the pedophile.

01:52:05.000 I mean, I will criticize the pedophile, but I focus on the behavior because if you go at the person, they're just going to tell you, hey, don't blame me for who I am.

01:52:13.000 So I really focus on behavior.

01:52:14.000 Well, but I think focusing on the behavior is why we should say that behavior is awful, we gotta lock them up, rather than, like, we have to understand this person and, like, why they're doing this.

01:52:23.000 Say that again?

01:52:23.000 If you want to redirect someone's moral structure, don't go at them and their doing.

01:52:26.000 Go at the behavior itself.

01:52:27.000 But I think that conflicts with what you've just said about focusing on the behavior, not the person.

01:52:35.000 Like I think- If you want to redirect someone's moral structure,

01:52:37.000 don't go at them and their doing, go at the behavior itself.

01:52:41.000 Put it out there so that they can look at it with you.

01:52:43.000 Well, I think it's also important to help people understand like when you do something,

01:52:46.000 it's proper to label you with that thing.

01:52:48.000 And then ideally people like don't want a horrible label.

01:52:50.000 And then they don't, I'm not saying that's the only factor.

01:52:52.000 Like, oh, if we tell someone that this thing is bad, they won't want to do it.

01:52:55.000 But we're also in a culture where we say things like, just because somebody did something once,

01:52:58.000 like doesn't mean that's who they are.

01:53:00.000 That can be true, depending on how heinous the thing is, like, you can... if you stole something once, that's wrong.

01:53:05.000 I don't think you're a thief forever, right?

01:53:07.000 You can repent, and you can repent of anything, to be fair, and... Well, that's the... that's the...

01:53:12.000 Catholic way.

01:53:13.000 Exactly.

01:53:13.000 And that said, of course, if you've committed a heinous crime, you still have to turn yourself in, you still have to do your time, you still have to stay away from children, these people should still be locked up forever, even if they can be forgiven by God, right?

01:53:24.000 But my greater point with this is, when someone does something repeatedly, they're engaging in it, it's habitual, we still don't feel comfortable saying that this is something that it's appropriate for society to label this person as.

01:53:34.000 Like, I don't know, I think if you're stealing something, I think if you're stealing things all the time, it's okay to call you a thief.

01:53:39.000 Like, I think it is okay to let people know that they're actually come to define it. There's also a thing too though where

01:53:45.000 just because you do bad things doesn't mean you can't point out that other people

01:53:48.000 do bad things. That's also very true. You know, I mean, that is a, you know,

01:53:51.000 Jesus does talk about this, what is it, this, the plank in your own eye before you remove it. The

01:53:56.000 wood beam, yeah, in your own eye. The splinter from the others. But I do think that we can say like, and the way

01:54:01.000 that you can say that, the way that you can say you're doing a bad thing is you can say these are the appropriate

01:54:07.000 values, This is the appropriate way to behave.

01:54:09.000 We all make mistakes still behave this way, even though we're all going to screw up, you know, so it's not about like pointing fingers, but it is about establishing and maintaining a morality in society and we used to have that.

01:54:22.000 Yeah, and we have completely dispensed with a collective understanding of right and wrong.

01:54:28.000 It's like all the global moralities have meshed into this weird thing.

01:54:30.000 Do you think part of it is that phrase, live and let live?

01:54:32.000 I think that has a conservative thing, too, because the idea is you're not going to just go around criticizing everyone.

01:54:38.000 Everyone's just going to do their own thing.

01:54:40.000 Yeah.

01:54:41.000 I understand the fear of, like, forcing your way of life out of someone because you want to maintain freedom, but I do think that without a collective understanding of values, it's impossible to maintain a society.

01:54:50.000 We also have, like, a civil religion where we would all behave in the appropriate way and we wouldn't cross those lines.

01:54:56.000 You wouldn't go over to your neighbor's house and take their child.

01:55:00.000 Yeah, hopefully not.

01:55:01.000 Now people call CPS because they see your kid walking home from school by themselves.

01:55:05.000 Someone told me this story that she heard on a podcast of someone who had been like an RA in college.

01:55:11.000 You know, everything's going fine.

01:55:12.000 And then this one girl comes to her and is crying.

01:55:14.000 And she's like, I just found out that my roommate, you know, it's like into the second semester, my roommate's been using my toothbrush.

01:55:21.000 And is obviously super grossed out and upset.

01:55:23.000 Who behaves this way?

01:55:24.000 And apparently when they talked to the girl, the other girl was like, my family all shares a toothbrush.

01:55:28.000 Like, I didn't realize that wasn't something I was supposed to do.

01:55:31.000 Which I think that's crazy.

01:55:32.000 That is actually crazy.

01:55:34.000 Now, are you sure, like, this is, you hear stories like this and you're like, it is okay to force your beliefs on other people.

01:55:38.000 A whole family shouldn't use the same toothbrush.

01:55:40.000 That's my thing!

01:55:40.000 Then that's okay.

01:55:41.000 I feel like it's okay to be like, no, we all collectively, everyone gets their own toothbrush.

01:55:45.000 We reject this idea.

01:55:46.000 That's very communist of you.

01:55:48.000 That is, I guess.

01:55:49.000 It's actually capitalist.

01:55:49.000 The communists would say it's our toothbrush.

01:55:51.000 I'm propped up by the big dental corporations.

01:55:53.000 That's right.

01:55:54.000 I guess there's, like, the, uh, morality is essentially subjective to the culture of which it's built, but, or, or Brent, but you've got the, the Ten Commandments.

01:56:02.000 Like, there's some moralities, like, don't kill people, because if you did that, everyone would be gone.

01:56:05.000 You'd lose everybody, so you can't, and that's not even a moral thing, it's just, like, a structurally functional thing.

01:56:10.000 I don't want to waste time on it.

01:56:11.000 It's all of the above.

01:56:12.000 It's moral.

01:56:12.000 It's functional.

01:56:13.000 But AJ Cooke, what do you want to say, Samantha Clare?

01:56:16.000 Did you super chat it?

01:56:17.000 If you want to say something, super chat it and I'll read it, all right?

01:56:20.000 I think we should move on to Brimcast.

01:56:21.000 I'm tired of Brimcast. 1.00

01:56:22.000 Brimcast is happening.

01:56:24.000 No!

01:56:24.000 Only nine words, you guys.

01:56:27.000 Take the headphones off.

01:56:28.000 Get out of the table.

01:56:29.000 We'll see how this goes.

01:56:30.000 No, I was just gonna say, this toothbrush story really weirds me out.

01:56:33.000 I've been thinking about it for days.

01:56:34.000 What a violation to find out someone that you, like, are not, like, you don't know this girl in your dorm has been using your toothbrush.

01:56:40.000 And I find this to be, like, such a good example of why it's important to have common values and understanding of what's appropriate and what's not.

01:56:47.000 That's a boundaries situation.

01:56:48.000 That's like a weird thing.

01:56:49.000 Boundaries can be part of this.

01:56:50.000 I would suspect there are probably other boundaries that have not been properly placed in that family if they're all using the same toothbrush.

01:56:54.000 That's just my speculation that I think maybe these are people who don't have a healthy sense.

01:56:58.000 I was thinking the underwear thing, too.

01:57:00.000 Like, are they sharing underwear?

01:57:01.000 Are they sharing forks?

01:57:02.000 And what did this girl do when she went to sleepovers with her friends?

01:57:05.000 She was just like... Do you guys wash laundry with other people in your household? 0.99

01:57:11.000 I mean, maybe with your kids you would, but like... I put all the laundry in the same pile, yeah.

01:57:16.000 Cause the smells, you know, it's like, are you going to take that leap?

01:57:18.000 Cause once you go in, you're like, you're never coming back.

01:57:20.000 It's a commitment level.

01:57:21.000 It's like, do you mix your books when you like get married?

01:57:24.000 I want to, um, big, uh, trust ball.

01:57:27.000 I'm sorry.

01:57:28.000 That's right.

01:57:29.000 Yeah.

01:57:29.000 Thank you guys.

01:57:30.000 Uh, AJ cook says, Hey Libby, this one's for you.

01:57:34.000 Oh wow, I get a super chat.

01:57:36.000 The super chat wants to talk to you. He's saying, Hey Libby, you saw that Noah Berlatsky did a negative

01:57:41.000 review of SOF.

01:57:42.000 I ran across your old Postmillennial article on him while doing my write-up for Valiant News.

01:57:48.000 I've been a fan of yours since I first read it years ago.

01:57:50.000 Keep on fighting.

01:57:51.000 Oh, thanks.

01:57:52.000 What's SOF?

01:57:53.000 I appreciate it.

01:57:54.000 Sound of Freedom.

01:57:55.000 Yeah, I wrote that piece this morning after I read the Bloomberg, and I'd been writing on Berlaski a couple of times, actually.

01:58:04.000 Who is this?

01:58:04.000 Because I did find it shocking.

01:58:06.000 I found it shocking that an organization exists to support pedophiles.

01:58:11.000 I found that really surprising.

01:58:13.000 That's a boundary for you.

01:58:13.000 You're against it.

01:58:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:58:15.000 I thought that that was just a little too much, you know?

01:58:17.000 I just thought that was too much.

01:58:18.000 It's a collective toothbrush right there.

01:58:19.000 Yeah, supporting pedophiles and supporting pedophilia are different.

01:58:23.000 I understand that, you know, I can understand how you can see that there is a difference there.

01:58:30.000 And, you know, basically I am now so, what is it, probably conditioned by online fact checkers that I try and be as precise as possible.

01:58:41.000 But I do think that if you're supporting pedophiles, you're supporting their actions and you're supporting pedophilia.

01:58:45.000 Well, because the left absolutely detests the logic that you love the sinner and hate the sin.

01:58:53.000 So whenever they start saying, oh, we like these people who have this proclivity, given the left-wing framework, that always means you affirm their actions, right?

01:59:01.000 And you have to love the sin as well.

01:59:02.000 Exactly, that's what I'm saying.

01:59:03.000 The left-wing narrative is that it is not possible to truly love somebody and disagree with their actions or disagree with the things they're inclined to do.

01:59:11.000 So when they say, oh no no no, we just want to help pedophiles, we just like pedophiles, not pedophilia, wrong, because every single time you say you like a group, what you're saying is we like their behavior and how dare you criticize it.

01:59:22.000 Unless it's a conservative in your family, in which case you're supposed to shun them at Thanksgiving and throw your wine in their face.

01:59:27.000 But that's my point, there's no distinction on the left.

01:59:29.000 There's buckos in the house. 0.81

01:59:31.000 He's hanging out.

01:59:32.000 He's coming to you.

01:59:33.000 It's just interesting, like, the left is never ever able to distinguish between people and behavior. 1.00

01:59:39.000 If you're a conservative, you have conservative views, you're an evil, horrible person. 0.99

01:59:43.000 If you're somebody who has an inclination towards homosexual behavior, well, that means you have to engage in homosexual behavior. 1.00

01:59:49.000 And if I dislike that homosexual behavior, that means I hate you. 1.00

01:59:52.000 So conservatives hate them. 0.99

01:59:53.000 So when they start saying, Oh, no, no, no. 0.97

01:59:55.000 We're not saying we support pedophilia because we support pedophiles.

01:59:58.000 B.S.

01:59:59.000 That's not how they view proclivities or what it means to love or care for someone in any other context, so I don't buy it here.

02:00:06.000 I think when I- I don't buy it here.

02:00:07.000 If I were to say, like, I support murderers, I don't- that wouldn't mean that I- You don't say that!

02:00:11.000 Yeah, I wouldn't say it personally, but if I was trying to truly support someone that had murdered, it would be to be an emotional support structure for them to find love so that they never murder again.

02:00:20.000 That's real support.

02:00:21.000 Not, yeah, you go do whatever you do.

02:00:23.000 It's like blind... I'm not blindly encouraging them to do things.

02:00:27.000 Real, true, you know, love.

02:00:29.000 Bucko's coming in to check on us.

02:00:31.000 So it's good to see our little lad in here.

02:00:35.000 But we're gonna take it over to the after show, which will be... Wait, can I pimp the Postmillennial first?

02:00:40.000 Yeah, give me a second.

02:00:42.000 I'm sorry, are you hosting a show right now?

02:00:44.000 Sorry, does Emin's cast?

02:00:45.000 My goodness!

02:00:45.000 Let's do that one, let's do that one.

02:00:47.000 We're going to take it to the after show, alright, at 10, 10 o'clock, around 10, 10.

02:00:52.000 We're going to be having the members show.

02:00:54.000 You guys will be able to call in and ask your questions, so go over there and check it out.

02:00:58.000 And hey, Libby, is there anything you wanted to shout out?

02:01:02.000 There is.

02:01:03.000 Listen, if I don't shout out The Postmillennial, I hear about it.

02:01:06.000 Do you know that?

02:01:07.000 I hear about it.

02:01:07.000 Look, I wasn't going to deprive you the opportunity.

02:01:09.000 I got to shout it out on War Room this morning.

02:01:11.000 That was fun, too.

02:01:12.000 Hey, tell us about The Postmillennial.

02:01:13.000 I am now shouting out The Postmillennial.

02:01:15.000 Check out ThePostmillennial.com.

02:01:17.000 You can subscribe to The Postmillennial at ThePostmillennial.com slash subscribe.

02:01:21.000 Also check out Human Events, where I'm working with Jack Posobiec and Charlie Kirk, a whole bunch of other great people.

02:01:28.000 And you can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons.

02:01:31.000 Wonderful, thank you.

02:01:32.000 Thank you, Seamus.

02:01:32.000 I appreciate it so much.

02:01:33.000 Of course.

02:01:33.000 Yeah, no, I was happy to have you on my show.

02:01:35.000 I have loved being on your show.

02:01:37.000 Thank you.

02:01:38.000 I'm glad you stopped by.

02:01:39.000 Me too.

02:01:39.000 I'm glad you stopped by.

02:01:41.000 Hannah Clare?

02:01:41.000 Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.

02:01:42.000 I'm a writer for TimCast.com.

02:01:44.000 You should go to TimCast.com, click on the read tab, see all the stuff from us, from me, our other journalists.

02:01:50.000 Follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.

02:01:52.000 It's the best, although I'm also a fan of Post Millennial.

02:01:55.000 If you want to follow me personally, you can find me on Instagram at HannahClare.B.

02:01:59.000 And on Twitter, at hcbrimlow.

02:02:01.000 Excellent night one, Seamus.

02:02:02.000 Round of applause.

02:02:03.000 Thank you, thank you.

02:02:04.000 We're gonna have ShimCast all week.

02:02:05.000 Ian, you wanna shout anything out?

02:02:06.000 Bucko's drinking the water out of my cup.

02:02:08.000 Out of my hand, I love him.

02:02:09.000 That is so sweet.

02:02:10.000 So, you guys, a few weeks ago, we were very afraid for Bucko because there was this, we didn't know at the time, we didn't put it together, but there was this giant cloud of, like, burning, uh, uh, benzene and, like, smoke coming from Canadian wildfires, and God knows, maybe East Palestine, but it was, he looked like he was gonna die.

02:02:25.000 Bucko was, like, gasping for air.

02:02:26.000 Everyone thought, this is it.

02:02:27.000 He's sick. 0.72

02:02:27.000 He's dead. 0.72

02:02:28.000 And so we freaked out, we took him to the vet, and the next day he was fine.

02:02:32.000 Like, the gas cloud passed and he livened back up.

02:02:35.000 So now, you know, we took him to the pharma, they're like, hey, well, we see he's got some issues, let's put him on all these, and we're like, I'm struggling with, do we use pharma?

02:02:45.000 Pharma wanted us to euthanize him.

02:02:47.000 He's obviously healthy, he's drinking water, hanging out with us, he sleeps well, he eats well.

02:02:52.000 I want to like, I truly believe he can heal.

02:02:55.000 He can rest.

02:02:55.000 I mean, nothing's perfect.

02:02:57.000 And obviously, we're all going to die someday, but I want to give this guy the best quality of life.

02:03:01.000 So support me and support Bucko and his longevity.

02:03:03.000 I'm going to go grab him before he pees.

02:03:04.000 Bye, everyone.

02:03:05.000 All right, Serge.

02:03:07.000 Yeah, we did it, I guess.

02:03:10.000 It's been a long week, but I'm Serge.com.

02:03:13.000 What was that?

02:03:15.000 We'll talk about it afterwards.

02:03:17.000 Yeah, it's all good.

02:03:18.000 All right.

02:03:19.000 All right, thank you all so much for watching.

02:03:21.000 I'm not just going to shout out Shimcast, I'm going to shout out Freedom Tunes. 0.96

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - July 18, 2023

Timcast IRL - Democrats Seek To STOP RFK Following Hit Piece w- Libby Emmons

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