Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - DeSantis Donors Fear Campaign FAILING, Will Meet To Discuss Viability w-Jaimee Michell

00:00:00.000 Ron DeSantis donors are still on the phone with you.

00:00:24.000 Ron DeSantis donors are set to meet with him to discuss the viability of his campaign at

00:00:34.000 As reported, this is a reporting coming out of Fox Business, they're concerned that his polls are lagging and they want to see some improvement.

00:00:40.000 And we're also hearing rumors that we have also somewhat corroborated, but keep in mind these are rumors, that a super PAC working for DeSantis is seeing people abandon the campaign.

00:00:50.000 So we're going to talk about that and where DeSantis currently is in the polls.

00:00:53.000 This is the big story that's been breaking all day, whether or not He's going, his campaign's gonna be viable.

00:00:59.000 I mean, it's still really, really early to say, but I think it's interesting considering what's going on politically.

00:01:03.000 And then we're gonna talk about, this one's fascinating, Ray Epps is suing Fox News.

00:01:08.000 Okay, that one's interesting.

00:01:09.000 I think discovery on that one will be very fascinating.

00:01:12.000 And then, of course, FBI Director Ray is getting grilled by members of Congress, and Matt Gaetz called him out for protecting the Biden family.

00:01:18.000 This one should get pretty interesting.

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00:02:22.000 Thanks for having me back.

00:02:23.000 I was here December, but it's been a while.

00:02:26.000 It's good to be on the show with you guys.

00:02:28.000 Who are you and what do you do?

00:02:29.000 I am the founder, president, CEO of the non-profit Gays Against Groomers.

00:02:35.000 We fight groomers from inside the community.

00:02:39.000 We are fighting the sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of youth Uh, that is being perpetrated under the guise of LGBTQIA+++++. 0.99

00:02:48.000 Uh, yeah.

00:02:52.000 Things are heating up in this war, but I think we're gonna win at the end, and I'm just excited to talk about it all.

00:02:57.000 Right on.

00:02:58.000 Well, thanks for joining us.

00:02:58.000 We got the whole ShimCast here.

00:03:00.000 My name's Seamus Coghlan.

00:03:01.000 I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.

00:03:03.000 We make animated cartoons.

00:03:04.000 We're gonna be releasing one tomorrow about, uh, the sound of freedom and the controversy surrounding that with certain activists and critics in Hollywood who aren't happy with the film, so I want to encourage you all to check that video out.

00:03:15.000 It's going to be a little bit spicy.

00:03:18.000 And if you want to support what I'm doing, go to freedomtunes.com and become a member.

00:03:20.000 And also, Sound of Freedom is number one.

00:03:22.000 Sound of Freedom is another story we're going to talk about.

00:03:24.000 As it should be.

00:03:25.000 It's crushing, and they deserve it.

00:03:27.000 I went out, Ian Crosland, what's up?

00:03:29.000 I went out, that took the last night off because I went to see Sound of Freedom.

00:03:32.000 It was awesome.

00:03:32.000 What's up, Brandon?

00:03:33.000 I saw you at the theater, good to see we didn't talk afterwards.

00:03:35.000 Wow, what a powerful movie.

00:03:38.000 I haven't seen it yet, but I'm really excited.

00:03:40.000 Me and my fiancé were supposed to see it last weekend, but things got really busy, but I've obviously only heard amazing things.

00:03:46.000 Yeah, I cried a couple times.

00:03:47.000 I'm sure it's going to absolutely destroy me.

00:03:49.000 I'm a little nervous for that, but it has to be seen!

00:03:51.000 In a good way.

00:03:53.000 It breaks you down and then builds you back up, kind of, as a new person.

00:03:56.000 It's so powerful.

00:03:57.000 It got me to look outside myself.

00:03:59.000 It's sad, though, because it's a true story, and there's a million other stories just like that happening right now.

00:04:04.000 Well, you know, all of this stuff.

00:04:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:06.000 You're exactly right.

00:04:07.000 This is going on in the world today.

00:04:08.000 Human trafficking is a massive problem.

00:04:10.000 As the film points out, the United States of America is one of the largest consumers on the planet of basically slaves of this sort. 0.98

00:04:17.000 Wonder why they're trying to block the film.

00:04:19.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:04:20.000 Why is Hollywood so upset about this film?

00:04:23.000 We're gonna do it.

00:04:23.000 Yeah, we also got this man over to the right.

00:04:25.000 Yeah, I'm excited to see it too.

00:04:26.000 I'll be watching it tomorrow alone, Seamus, like I said, which is fine.

00:04:31.000 So we always see movies.

00:04:33.000 Yeah, I never see movies at all, so I'm excited to be in the theater.

00:04:36.000 Let's do this when you're ready, Tim.

00:04:37.000 But I do have an announcement to make, and I know a lot of you are going to be saddened to hear this, but it's all we could do.

00:04:45.000 This weekend I will be flying out of state because I have to get hip surgery.

00:04:50.000 I am a 37-year-old, lifelong skateboarder.

00:04:52.000 I've been skating for like 23 or so years, so I have a repetitive sports industry, presumably in the cartilage in my hip.

00:04:58.000 Injury.

00:04:59.000 What did I say?

00:04:59.000 Industry.

00:05:00.000 You did that earlier today, too.

00:05:01.000 I did.

00:05:01.000 It's so weird.

00:05:03.000 Injury, and we don't know exactly what it is.

00:05:06.000 It may be a tear, but the idea is take care of it now so it doesn't get worse and you don't get a hair replacement, which means I'm gonna be gone for a week.

00:05:13.000 But I know it's gonna... I can't believe I have to do this to you guys.

00:05:18.000 You're going to get really mad.

00:05:19.000 You're going to get really mad.

00:05:20.000 People are going to be sending hate mail.

00:05:22.000 Seamus is going to be hosting the show.

00:05:23.000 That's right.

00:05:24.000 It's going to be the best week of TimCast, or should I say ShimCast, that you've ever seen.

00:05:29.000 We wish Tim well.

00:05:32.000 We wish Tim well.

00:05:33.000 By the way, you're welcome for agreeing to take over your podcast for a whole week and keep it going and ensure that things stay on the rails.

00:05:40.000 He insults me.

00:05:41.000 You accuse me of stealing your spoons.

00:05:43.000 You insult me in front of your audience after I agree to help you with your show.

00:05:47.000 Like, what am I doing here?

00:05:48.000 Did you return the spoons?

00:05:49.000 I didn't.

00:05:51.000 I don't agree with your framing.

00:05:52.000 I don't agree with your framing.

00:05:53.000 I don't appreciate it.

00:05:54.000 But I'll say this.

00:05:55.000 It does suck, you know, because I'm talking with the doctor, and the general issue is do this sporadic like do this randomly over the next several months where it's like I'll randomly take days off and it'll be very disruptive and hard to plan or just do one solid week where we get it all taken care of and then come back and it's done I don't got to deal with that ever again so it's it's soft tissue damage it's not going to heal on its own and fortunately there are advanced procedures for taking care of it so it's magnificent just means that I'll have to be like in the hospital for a week.

00:06:26.000 Who's going to look after the chickens? 1.00

00:06:28.000 I have to do everything.

00:06:29.000 I'm literally going to replace him while he's gone.

00:06:30.000 I'm going to be wearing a beanie.

00:06:31.000 I'm going to be able to do everything.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, just James.

00:06:34.000 All right, let's talk about the news.

00:06:35.000 Here's a story from CNBC.

00:06:38.000 DeSantis donors privately worry about campaign as Florida governor lags in 2024 polls.

00:06:43.000 They say some of Ron DeSantis' fundraisers have recently heard concerns from donors about the trajectory of his campaign.

00:06:49.000 The governor continues to lag Trump in GOP primary polls.

00:06:52.000 Ken Griffin, the billionaire CEO of Citadel and previous DeSantis mega donor, continues to assess the field.

00:06:57.000 A growing group of donors who have supported DeSantis' run are worried about the trajectory of his campaign even after he raked in $20 million.

00:07:04.000 Despite those big fundraising numbers and his entry into the race on a wave of hype, DeSantis is lagging well behind frontrunner Donald Trump.

00:07:16.000 Nothing's changed in Griffin's stance toward the election.

00:07:18.000 We have this from the Post Millennial.

00:07:20.000 They say, DeSantis to meet with major donors to face questions about campaign viability.

00:07:24.000 This is coming from Charles Gasparino of Fox Business.

00:07:27.000 Ron DeSantis is planning to meet major East Coast donors next week at a private gathering in Southampton.

00:07:32.000 He faces questions about viability of his campaign as he's stalled in the polls.

00:07:36.000 I hear he's planning to tell donors that he will play the long game.

00:07:40.000 And to just bring in the context in terms of data, the prediction markets now have Ron DeSantis dropping down to 19 cents to Donald Trump's 62 cents.

00:07:50.000 And this is big because DeSantis actually surpassed Trump at one point, but now continues to fall.

00:07:55.000 And the latest poll from Morning Consult shows, nationally, DeSantis is actually doing worse than Trump, though both Trump and DeSantis do lose to Joe Biden.

00:08:04.000 I'm not sure I believe that both of them will lose to Joe Biden.

00:08:08.000 But if we're talking about comparing Trump and DeSantis in the same metric to Biden, then it looks like Trump is still ahead of Ron DeSantis, and DeSantis has been dropping in the polls.

00:08:19.000 So, I don't know what you guys think.

00:08:21.000 It is still really, really early.

00:08:23.000 Really early.

00:08:24.000 Really early.

00:08:25.000 Really, really early.

00:08:26.000 It's like six weeks into the campaign, right?

00:08:28.000 I mean, he launched like, what, six?

00:08:30.000 Not even?

00:08:30.000 Really?

00:08:31.000 It feels like it's been going on for a long time.

00:08:34.000 That's what I'm saying, it's like a week in politics is like a freaking year, you know?

00:08:38.000 That's also true, but I think especially like a week with respect to his campaign, things have gone so south in so many ways.

00:08:44.000 There's a lot about DeSantis, and I've said this before, there's a lot about him I like, I think, and there's even people on his campaign who I know and like, but I think some of the people making decisions there could have been more wisely chosen.

00:08:56.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know anything about the people there.

00:08:59.000 No, I'm just saying with respect to how his campaign is acted.

00:09:02.000 I'm saying I think there have been a lot of blunders.

00:09:03.000 I understand that.

00:09:04.000 And I, you know, whatever, whoever has a team around them, like whatever candidate has a team, I don't think that that's reflective of the way that the actual candidate could lead.

00:09:13.000 I'm still, like, super pro-DeSantis.

00:09:15.000 I think it is incredibly early.

00:09:16.000 I'm pro-DeSantis for many reasons.

00:09:18.000 I choose him over Trump for many, many reasons, and we can get into that if you guys are interested.

00:09:22.000 But I think it's incredibly early, and yeah, I don't think things have really even gotten started.

00:09:26.000 I mean, we have the debates in August, we have this new town hall coming up with Tucker, and I think he's going to get the message out there.

00:09:33.000 What's the town hall of Tucker?

00:09:38.000 I think it was just announced that Tucker's hosting a town hall.

00:09:41.000 I don't think it's a debate.

00:09:42.000 It's a town hall with all of the Republican candidates except for Donald Trump.

00:09:47.000 I don't know.

00:09:48.000 He's not going.

00:09:49.000 Trump's pulling a Biden.

00:09:52.000 Trump is running from the basement.

00:09:55.000 Yeah, so I think that there have been a number of strategic blunders from the DeSantis campaign.

00:10:01.000 You are correct that it's very early.

00:10:03.000 It's like eight months away.

00:10:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:06.000 We have quite a lot of time.

00:10:08.000 I do think that the DeSantis campaign is probably going to have to rethink some of what they're doing and we'll see how this meeting with the donors go, but yeah, it's going to be a little while before we can definitively say this person is more or less likely to get the nomination.

00:10:19.000 I've got a projection.

00:10:21.000 I think that Ron is not going to be able to match Vivek's energy, and by the time three, four months from now, those numbers will be flipped.

00:10:28.000 I don't know if this is actually going to happen, but those numbers will be flipped.

00:10:30.000 No, Vivek just jumped again.

00:10:31.000 Yeah, I know.

00:10:31.000 Vivek is at ten cents in the prediction markets.

00:10:33.000 That's up from nine from like five seconds, one minute ago.

00:10:36.000 From about ten minutes ago, it was at nine.

00:10:37.000 It's jumped up again.

00:10:39.000 And within the past, Vivek has only been a viable contract on PredictIt for about a week and a half.

00:10:46.000 Let's just say two weeks, to be fair.

00:10:48.000 And now he's up to ten cents from three.

00:10:51.000 I think the thing about Vivek is that he doesn't have anything behind him in terms of notability.

00:10:56.000 And I'm not saying that career-wise.

00:10:58.000 Obviously, he's worth half a billion dollars, runs this big pharmaceutical company.

00:11:02.000 What I mean is, Ron DeSantis has been in the limelight for years, and has a proven track record out of Florida.

00:11:07.000 Vivek has the words he can say.

00:11:09.000 People like what he's saying.

00:11:12.000 And he is masterfully tactful in terms of PR.

00:11:15.000 I think that's gonna help Vivek.

00:11:17.000 I gotta be honest though, as much as I like Vivek and think he's the smartest guy in the room, In terms of capability, I will say this.

00:11:26.000 I put Vivek over Trump and DeSantis.

00:11:28.000 In terms of electability, it's Trump-DeSantis-Vivek.

00:11:31.000 Like, Vivek is great, but even Ron DeSantis, I think, is more viable of a candidate than he is.

00:11:37.000 It's true, I think you're right.

00:11:38.000 And a lot of times when I play video games and I'm like, I get to select who the leader is going to be among all of my generals, I'll take the one with the best stats, not necessarily the most.

00:11:47.000 Most famous one.

00:11:48.000 But in reality, it's a popularity contest.

00:11:49.000 So the famous person gets into the power.

00:11:51.000 But when you put the best person in control, even if there are nobody, you get the best results.

00:11:55.000 I gotta be completely honest.

00:11:56.000 I have not heard a single thing from his campaign.

00:11:59.000 Like I haven't seen any tweets.

00:12:00.000 I mean, I don't even I may follow him.

00:12:03.000 I'm not sure.

00:12:03.000 Yeah, I've heard and seen nothing.

00:12:06.000 You're in a bubble.

00:12:07.000 No, I'm not in a bubble!

00:12:08.000 I'm very involved in... I actually hear what you're saying.

00:12:12.000 I mean, you know, I'm not tapped into different news sites like you are, but like, I'm part of the conversation and the dialogue and I'm not, you know, I follow a lot of people, diverse people that... But I think you make a good point, too.

00:12:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:12:22.000 The vague has not broken out into this space.

00:12:25.000 So I don't literally mean you're in a bubble, the vague is not there yet.

00:12:27.000 I've seen, exactly, and I agree with you, I've seen a lot of clips of him floating around, I've seen different public statements he's made, I haven't noticed anything specifically from his campaign.

00:12:35.000 I saw him give the speech in Miami when Trump was getting indicted.

00:12:41.000 He went down and he was speaking at a podium and that's the last I saw of him. 0.93

00:12:46.000 So I think he's sucking up to Trump a little. 0.95

00:12:48.000 Are you kidding? 0.97

00:12:50.000 He's a hardcore Trumper.

00:12:52.000 Yeah, I've interviewed him multiple times.

00:12:54.000 I mean, I'm saying perception-wise, from the outside, that's, I mean, he literally went down to Miami and gave a huge speech, like, you know, in support of Trump.

00:13:03.000 Yeah, because of the false indictments?

00:13:05.000 Yeah, I think it's a little bit different from being a Trumper, though, right?

00:13:07.000 I agree, I agree, but I think, you know, he continuously praises Trump.

00:13:11.000 I mean, because he understands that you can't lose that base, right?

00:13:14.000 Or he's scared of it.

00:13:15.000 He's scared to lose the cult base.

00:13:16.000 I think that's unavoidable.

00:13:18.000 The Magidonians. 0.95

00:13:20.000 I think that's unwarranted.

00:13:21.000 Vivek is, in my view, the most honest guy running.

00:13:25.000 Yeah, I think so too.

00:13:26.000 Vivek outright said he thinks there should be civic requirements for voting.

00:13:31.000 And he's sitting here in this room and he's like, man, they're gonna get mad at me if I say this, but I'm gonna say it because we need to.

00:13:36.000 There's got to be some restriction, some requirement for civic duty.

00:13:40.000 I think that's a brilliant idea.

00:13:41.000 I actually do. 0.97

00:13:42.000 And who's got the balls to actually say it? 0.97

00:13:43.000 So what he did then was he came out and said, okay, refined my ideas. 0.97

00:13:47.000 I think young people should pass a civics test if they want to vote.

00:13:50.000 And it's just like, wow.

00:13:52.000 That's a bold thing to say.

00:13:53.000 Who writes the test?

00:13:54.000 I think you might have asked him that question.

00:13:55.000 Oh, yeah, right.

00:13:56.000 For sure.

00:13:57.000 You just kind of came to an impasse.

00:13:58.000 That's why I think signing up for the Selective Service was like the smart compromise.

00:14:02.000 Men and women have the option to do it.

00:14:04.000 If you don't sign up, you don't vote.

00:14:05.000 If you do sign up, you can vote, but that makes you eligible for the draft.

00:14:07.000 The draft almost never happens, or it's not likely to happen, so it's like, it's a clever workaround.

00:14:13.000 But that is just one issue, where if you actually watch him give talks and speeches and stuff, He won't run away from questions.

00:14:21.000 Yeah, but who actually watches him?

00:14:22.000 I don't see him anywhere.

00:14:23.000 He's got a YouTube channel.

00:14:26.000 I'm saying that he has some good ideas.

00:14:29.000 I'm not knocking that at all.

00:14:30.000 I'm just saying. 0.98

00:14:32.000 To think that he's a serious candidate right now in this race is silly. 0.79

00:14:35.000 Third place.

00:14:35.000 Yeah, but come on now.

00:14:40.000 Vivek Ramaswamy on YouTube.

00:14:42.000 He's holding third place as well.

00:14:44.000 And like I said, you know, it is super early.

00:14:46.000 We have no idea what the primary is going to look like in a month, two months.

00:14:52.000 I think Ted Cruz won like the first battleground state in the 2016 primaries or whatever.

00:14:58.000 Like Ted Cruz won some state or something.

00:14:59.000 And then everyone was like, oh, Trump ended up turning things around.

00:15:02.000 I think with Vivek that the global economic order is very concerned about him getting into power because he's straight up like, we're not investing in BlackRock anymore.

00:15:10.000 We're taking our money and we're investing in American indexes.

00:15:12.000 We're going to get away from ESG.

00:15:14.000 We're going to take control of our financial system.

00:15:17.000 And that's like the main force of control of the global technocrats is the financial system.

00:15:21.000 They want central bank digital currencies and they want to be able to turn your bank account off if you don't, if you want to buy things they don't want you to buy.

00:15:27.000 If you say something they don't want you to say.

00:15:29.000 They did it with the Canadian truckers and I think Vivek is, he's so smart and he knows when to talk and when not to talk.

00:15:37.000 That being said, I think that's a big part of the reason why the media hasn't propped him up at all.

00:15:42.000 They haven't propped up really any of the Republican candidates.

00:15:44.000 I think they're propping Trump up.

00:15:46.000 You think so?

00:15:47.000 Well, I think liberal media, I think that the... I mean, this is a little conspiratorial, but it's my theory.

00:15:52.000 I think that they are prosecuting him right now to bump his numbers up because they want him to be the nominee.

00:15:58.000 The Democrats desperately want Trump to be the nominee, and they say it all the time.

00:16:02.000 There were just some clips that went out on, I think it was MSNBC, where they're saying, you know, they want Trump to be the nominee.

00:16:09.000 They're salivating over it.

00:16:12.000 I think it was Whoopi Goldberg said that on The View.

00:16:14.000 She was like, we don't want DeSantis.

00:16:15.000 We can beat Trump.

00:16:15.000 We don't want DeSantis.

00:16:16.000 Of course they can, yeah.

00:16:16.000 I don't think so.

00:16:17.000 With that Georgia Democrat who just defected and joined the GOP?

00:16:19.000 The Clinton campaign engaged in the Pied Piper strategy.

00:16:21.000 They wanted Trump to be the nominee, but then look how that worked out for them. Right. Yeah. I

00:16:25.000 agree. But they're much more scared of DeSantis at this point. I don't think so. With

00:16:29.000 that Georgia Democrat who just defected and joined the GOP. Yeah, good for her. Yeah. I don't

00:16:35.000 believe them when they're like, or I don't believe they're correct when they're like, we should have

00:16:39.000 Donald Trump because we can beat him, but we can't beat DeSantis.

00:16:43.000 I mean, okay, we like, look, it's 50-50 right now.

00:16:46.000 Trump lost 2020, he won 2016.

00:16:48.000 I'm not convinced the Pied Piper strategy is their path forward.

00:16:50.000 And all of his endorsed candidates, not all, but most of them, the big ones lost in the midterms.

00:16:55.000 I mean, we're on a loop.

00:16:56.000 Huh?

00:16:56.000 Who?

00:16:57.000 In the midterms.

00:16:58.000 Most of Trump's candidates?

00:16:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:59.000 Which candidates?

00:17:00.000 I mean, Herschel, Oz, Lake.

00:17:02.000 You know, off the top of my head, those are the biggest.

00:17:05.000 What was the actual number?

00:17:06.000 The Carrie Lake thing was a travesty.

00:17:07.000 I mean, yeah, but I'm just saying, like, we're on a serious losing streak with this Trump guy.

00:17:12.000 What do you think about Robert F. Kennedy leading things?

00:17:14.000 RFK Jr., what do you think?

00:17:16.000 I think he's, you know, I think it's interesting.

00:17:18.000 I love that he's giving the- 82% success rate.

00:17:21.000 82% of Trump's endorsed candidates won.

00:17:24.000 Okay, and we lost everything at the end of the day.

00:17:28.000 We lost the major seats that were the most important to gain, you know.

00:17:32.000 I think that was a failure of messaging on the part of the Republican Party.

00:17:36.000 I'm just directly addressing what you said about Trump's endorsements.

00:17:38.000 82%.

00:17:38.000 That's fine, but at the same time, the major ones that he put the most effort into, that he campaigned with, that he pushed the hardest, you know, the big national names, the national recognition.

00:17:48.000 He screwed up with odds.

00:17:49.000 That was a big mistake.

00:17:49.000 I have no idea why he'd make that big of a mistake.

00:17:51.000 It should have been Kathy Barnett. 1.00

00:17:53.000 I mean, she was absolutely incredible.

00:17:54.000 And I mean, this is the thing.

00:17:56.000 Trump continues to, you know, he says he's going to drain the swamp, but then he, he, I mean, Lindsey Graham, let's hear how you hear about how you feel about this.

00:18:03.000 Lindsey Graham on stage with him in South Carolina, you know, he got booed a million times, but, but how is Trump going to drain the swamp when he's best friends with the swamp?

00:18:12.000 He hired the swamp.

00:18:13.000 He's going to continue to do that.

00:18:14.000 I guess we vote RFK then, huh?

00:18:16.000 Yeah, I'm going to.

00:18:17.000 I will.

00:18:18.000 I'll register as a Democrat.

00:18:20.000 I want to hear an answer to that, though.

00:18:22.000 I want to hear an answer to that.

00:18:23.000 How is Trump going to drain the swamp when he is best friends with the swamp?

00:18:28.000 If DeSantis got on a stage with Lindsey Graham and Lindsey Graham opened for DeSantis, what would happen?

00:18:33.000 What would the Trump people online say?

00:18:35.000 I don't think you should go down this route because DeSantis is funded by Griffin.

00:18:40.000 I'm literally saying if you're gonna if you're gonna ask questions about Trump being started by bad people, which I agree with, the same is true for DeSantis and my point being Vivek Ramaswamy must be our guy.

00:18:49.000 Okay, no, but I'm trying to say like, what is it?

00:18:52.000 How do people think that Trump is the anti-establishment candidate when he literally is campaigning with Lindsey Graham like a week ago?

00:18:58.000 I don't even remember what it was.

00:19:04.000 No, that's not it.

00:19:04.000 Trump has made a lot of mistakes, and I'll acknowledge them, but what I would say is that as far as the candidates go right now, Trump has the largest incentive to be the most anti-establishment candidate possible because of what the deep state and three-letter agencies did to him.

00:19:17.000 They did it while he was president, too, though.

00:19:20.000 No, that's my point.

00:19:21.000 Yes, that is when they did what they did, and now he's pretty substantially angry about what they did.

00:19:26.000 Of course they did it while he was president.

00:19:28.000 Right, but he still- And he was also concerned about re-election and he also had weights around his ankles because of what the deep state was doing to him.

00:19:35.000 So yes, that did limit his ability to act.

00:19:36.000 Yeah, Trump's first term was- I mean, nothing is ever his fault, I know.

00:19:39.000 That's not what I said.

00:19:40.000 No, but you're strawmanning me because I specifically said he's made mistakes.

00:19:43.000 No, and I understand that.

00:19:44.000 But I'm saying there's reason to believe that he would be interested in fighting the deep state considering what they've done to his family.

00:19:48.000 I'm sure he is interested.

00:19:49.000 But then why is he campaigning with Lindsey Graham?

00:19:51.000 What the hell is that?

00:19:53.000 You can't have it both ways!

00:19:54.000 Yeah, that's really bad.

00:19:55.000 He shouldn't do that. 1.00

00:19:56.000 Lindsey Graham is disgusting! 1.00

00:19:58.000 I'll say that, and I've said this before, I think people he's chosen to surround himself with have not been great picks. 0.92

00:20:03.000 But I'm saying in terms of the drive and the interest in draining the swamp and going after these agencies, I think Trump has the strongest incentive.

00:20:11.000 I'm not saying there's no credibility to that criticism, by the way.

00:20:14.000 I think Trump has historically made a lot of mistakes with respect to the people he's surrounded himself with.

00:20:20.000 I think he has more of a drive to destroy the deep state, and I do think he has what it takes, but we'll see.

00:20:28.000 I don't know if that's necessarily true, that being wronged makes Straight up the best incentive.

00:20:34.000 Anger is the best incentive.

00:20:35.000 Because I think Ron DeSantis, the incentive to make a better country could be equally as strong as the incentive of, like, they hurt me, I want to hurt them back.

00:20:43.000 But it's all of it, right?

00:20:45.000 Because they're both good motivations.

00:20:47.000 Now, part of the advantage of another Trump presidency is that he would not have to worry about re-election, which is also a massive, massive asset.

00:20:58.000 Wait, say that again?

00:20:59.000 He would not have to worry about re-election, which is a massive asset.

00:21:03.000 That's super detrimental to us as a party, though.

00:21:05.000 No, but he would go after all the people he needed to go after.

00:21:09.000 I would prefer to have somebody in the White House that could fulfill eight years, so we're not doing this again and risking the White House again in another four years.

00:21:17.000 But you have to, or otherwise it's an election.

00:21:19.000 Trump can't run again though, like the incumbent.

00:21:22.000 So then Iran can run in for you. 0.95

00:21:23.000 Iran should run right now. 0.99

00:21:26.000 Or, I mean, why would Ron and Don not run as president-vice-presidents?

00:21:35.000 Let's pull this up.

00:21:35.000 We got this from NBC News.

00:21:37.000 Ron DeSantis says he wouldn't be Trump's running mate.

00:21:39.000 I'm not a number two guy.

00:21:41.000 You can be though, and then you'd be the number one guy.

00:21:43.000 And then it was Trump's campaign said he's not anybody's guy.

00:21:45.000 I think that was Stephen Chung who said that.

00:21:47.000 That's so pointless.

00:21:48.000 Yeah, I mean, look, the argument is Donald Trump did, like, a C-plus job in a lot of areas in his first term.

00:21:57.000 He didn't drain the swamp.

00:21:58.000 He fired some people.

00:22:00.000 He hired some really bad people.

00:22:01.000 But foreign policy-wise, I think Trump did a very, very good job, especially with the Abraham Accords, with trying to get our troops out of Syria, crushing ISIS.

00:22:09.000 Those things are really great.

00:22:11.000 And then the argument now is, if we're looking at these two guys, Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump, There's one thing that I care about the most.

00:22:18.000 I think foreign policy-wise, it's hard to know for sure, Ron DeSantis has some experience in foreign policy, Donald Trump has good foreign policy, not perfect foreign policy, but better than Obama, better than Biden, better than whatever the Democrats have to offer.

00:22:29.000 The question I have is, who is more likely to fire people?

00:22:33.000 Donald Trump.

00:22:34.000 Even if it's only by 1%.

00:22:35.000 Because he wants revenge.

00:22:37.000 And the shift, which has become obvious to me, is that when asked about the greatest threat the country faces, Trump said it's not China, which is a marked shift from where he was in his first and second campaigns.

00:22:49.000 He said it's within this country, referring to bureaucrats working for government who can't be fired.

00:22:54.000 So one of the things Trump did near the end of his term, which he, which was reversed

00:22:57.000 by the Democrats, by Joe Biden, was the schedule F attempt.

00:23:01.000 You can't just fire federal employees.

00:23:03.000 They're protected.

00:23:04.000 It's very difficult.

00:23:05.000 So Trump was trying to strip away at those protections to try and start getting some

00:23:08.000 of these people fired.

00:23:10.000 I think Ron DeSantis, because for a few reasons, it'll be his first term if he does get elected

00:23:15.000 and he is being backed by some prominent establishment figures, is more likely to say, let's negotiate

00:23:22.000 and figure out how we don't go to war with each other.

00:23:26.000 I won't go around firing and destroying everything, but you guys let me get some of these policies through.

00:23:31.000 Donald Trump is more likely to go in and say, I will fire everyone, I will nuke all of these bureaucrats and agencies.

00:23:39.000 I would rather Donald Trump go in and fire and clean house, and then four years from now, be it DeSantis or whoever else, Ramaswamy, or, you know, maybe some other libertarian.

00:23:49.000 I have no idea.

00:23:50.000 Someone can then come in without these bureaucratic, permanent government individuals who have been in government for 30 years without being elected.

00:23:58.000 Those people have to be fired. 0.96

00:24:00.000 Can I ask a question?

00:24:02.000 Why didn't he do it the first time?

00:24:03.000 Trump was trying to negotiate.

00:24:05.000 It was a- It sounds like an excuse.

00:24:07.000 What does that mean?

00:24:08.000 Give me an argument.

00:24:09.000 I'm just saying, like, you know, there's always a reason why, there's an excuse for why Trump wasn't able to do something in his first term.

00:24:15.000 It's literally the explanation of what Trump was doing.

00:24:18.000 Trump talked to Sheldon Adelstein, he gets these big donors, and they're like, listen, we're gonna let you do your thing, but you gotta play ball with us.

00:24:24.000 And Trump says, you got it, boss.

00:24:26.000 And then what ends up happening? 0.99

00:24:27.000 John Bolton garbage. 0.94

00:24:28.000 That's what Ron DeSantis is doing right now with Ken Griffin. 1.00

00:24:31.000 So my argument is, Donald Trump made a big mistake with these morons that Ron DeSantis is doing right now. 0.97

00:24:38.000 Trump is pissed off they screwed him over and stabbed him in the back and is more likely, even if it is only 2%, to go in and try to fire these people and just gut them from the system, whereas I see DeSantis once again meeting with big neocon donors and playing the game that Trump was playing first time around. 0.99

00:24:55.000 Trump was funded by Big Pharma.

00:24:57.000 I mean, they donated to his campaign.

00:24:58.000 You betcha.

00:24:59.000 You know, so it's like... You're making my argument.

00:25:02.000 That's my point.

00:25:03.000 Right, so I don't know who these establishment people are.

00:25:05.000 Ken Griffin?

00:25:07.000 Okay. 0.99

00:25:08.000 Everybody says that DeSantis is endorsed by Paul Ryan and he's Jeb Bush 2.0 and all this stuff and I see absolutely zero evidence when really- Well, the Jeb Bush thing is dumb. 1.00

00:25:20.000 I mean, the whole thing is absolutely stupid. 1.00

00:25:23.000 Trump endorsed Paul Ryan. 1.00

00:25:24.000 Trump endorsed John McCain.

00:25:25.000 I mean- Yes.

00:25:27.000 I don't understand how they can use that was tax against eight years ago.

00:25:30.000 Okay, I think that was bad.

00:25:32.000 And I did not vote for Trump in 2016.

00:25:34.000 Good.

00:25:35.000 I mean, and so now I and that's the thing I want to I want to stress for people that don't know who I am or don't know my position.

00:25:40.000 I am a two time Trump voter.

00:25:42.000 I voted for him in 2016.

00:25:43.000 I voted for him in 2020.

00:25:45.000 Even though I was off the Trump train, you know, into the in the COVID years because he subsidized the presidency to Fauci.

00:25:51.000 And you do sound like a two timer Trump voter.

00:25:54.000 I was.

00:25:54.000 You just said something I fully agree with.

00:25:56.000 I was.

00:25:57.000 I was hardcore, too.

00:25:57.000 I ran a full amount.

00:25:58.000 No, I was making a two-timer.

00:25:59.000 I'm saying you betrayed it.

00:26:00.000 I was making a bad pun.

00:26:01.000 No, no, I got you.

00:26:02.000 I got you.

00:26:03.000 If Trump were to go in and fire all these people... It's okay to change your support.

00:26:06.000 You don't have to stay.

00:26:07.000 I'm giving you a hard time.

00:26:08.000 I understand.

00:26:08.000 Who would he replace them with is my concern because he did not make good personnel choice.

00:26:11.000 Say it again so I don't miss it.

00:26:12.000 If he went in and were to fire a bunch of people, who would he replace them with?

00:26:15.000 Trump?

00:26:16.000 Yeah, I don't have faith in him.

00:26:17.000 I think that he failed in his first term by giving the country away to the medical industry in the last year.

00:26:23.000 Jared Kushner?

00:26:25.000 And that's another conversation completely.

00:26:26.000 His family.

00:26:27.000 What are you doing giving your family power, bro?

00:26:29.000 I mean, I voted for Trump, not Jared Kushner, not Fauci.

00:26:32.000 And that's who I got.

00:26:33.000 I don't want nepotism in the White House. 0.98

00:26:34.000 It's disgusting.

00:26:35.000 I want talented, well-situated people that can do their job really, really well that may not even know each other.

00:26:41.000 That's what I want.

00:26:41.000 And I got a man that went on a vaccine tour for the last year and a half in office, pushing an experimental clot shot.

00:26:47.000 Sorry, I don't know if I can say that on YouTube.

00:26:49.000 Well, it was experimental.

00:26:50.000 It is experimental. 0.94

00:26:51.000 And to this day, one of the biggest reasons why I no longer support this man is because to this day, he goes and praises the damn vaccine and Operation Warp Speed, takes credit for all of it, says it's the greatest thing that ever happened to mankind. 0.55

00:27:04.000 I mean, one of them, you know, he's he said he saved 500 million people with it. 0.90

00:27:08.000 Or sorry, maybe it's 100 million.

00:27:09.000 I don't want to get Whatever, I'm just saying a gigantic amount of people, which is not true.

00:27:15.000 And he has yet to take responsibility for any of the adverse reactions.

00:27:18.000 He doesn't even acknowledge them.

00:27:20.000 And I think that's absolutely disgusting and I cannot support him.

00:27:24.000 And I understand that the argument is Ron DeSantis pushed it early on too, right?

00:27:28.000 Ron DeSantis at least can understand that that was wrong and has moved past it and is now fighting against it, you know?

00:27:34.000 So I just like, Trump has such a big ego that he cannot Take responsibility for anything he ever did wrong. 0.90

00:27:41.000 He just continues to double down and it's disgusting.

00:27:44.000 The issue I take with this, the first thing is I'll say is our obligatory just talk to a doctor about what is right for you and make sure you find a good and trustworthy doctor because they do exist.

00:27:54.000 I know I'm literally going to one next week because I got to get surgery or whatever.

00:27:57.000 But here's where I'm at politically, especially when it comes to like RFK.

00:28:01.000 I don't agree with him on a lot of the stuff he said, especially the EUA stuff on ivermectin and vaccines.

00:28:08.000 There's a lot of people who adamantly believe things because they choose to believe them and they think they're right about everything.

00:28:15.000 Whereas my positions are typically like, unless I see something to a great degree that provides confirmation, There's not much I can really say about it.

00:28:26.000 So, you know, we've had several debates on this show, I've debated several leftist individuals, and they'll ask me a direct question about something political, I'll be like, don't know.

00:28:33.000 Literally, I don't know, why don't you have a position on this?

00:28:36.000 When it comes to the VAX stuff, I don't know.

00:28:39.000 That's why I always, I'm just like, I don't know, talk to a doctor.

00:28:41.000 What I can say is Donald Trump refuses to back down from this as one of his major campaign victories.

00:28:47.000 What we do know is that there was a judge, I think it was in New York, who ruled that the vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus.

00:28:54.000 And then later on, you end up with a bunch of news outlets claiming that was fake news.

00:28:59.000 This was a judge recently What is it?

00:29:02.000 The judge who gagged the Biden campaign on censorship is, I believe, the same judge who said that the vaccine was not preventing transmission.

00:29:10.000 So the vaccine was like... Yeah, the conspiracy theory is such a crazy conspiracy theory.

00:29:13.000 But the media then said the inverse.

00:29:15.000 So my point is basically like, I see these conflicting and contradictory stories, And then I wonder why it is that people choose to take a stance on something that it's very difficult to understand, instead of just saying like, you know what, honestly, I don't know how you can draw a conclusion on this one.

00:29:31.000 I'll give you an example.

00:29:32.000 RFK talking about ivermectin.

00:29:34.000 I really, for the life of me, even after sitting with Joe Rogan, have never been able to figure out how anyone justifies their stance on ivermectin.

00:29:41.000 What did he say about ivermectin?

00:29:43.000 RFK said that the reason Ivermectin was never approved was because it would end the emergency use authorization for the vaccines, which is just logically inconsistent.

00:29:52.000 They granted the EUA to monoclonal antibodies.

00:29:55.000 If it were true that there were alternative treatments like Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, they literally could have just given it an EUA.

00:30:03.000 People then make a money argument, I think Alex and I was arguing this, that because Ivermectin is so cheap, they didn't want to give it an EUA, and I say, make that argument!

00:30:10.000 I'm not making that argument, I'm literally saying, for RFK Jr.

00:30:12.000 to come out and be like, that's the reason they didn't approve it, is because they wanted to sell vaccines, and they needed the EUA, I'm like, that doesn't make sense.

00:30:19.000 I hear this kind of stuff all the time and no one ever gives me a legitimate answer.

00:30:23.000 So we talk about the studies pertaining to ivermectin.

00:30:26.000 We talk about the studies.

00:30:27.000 Here's what I want to say about the vaccine, for instance.

00:30:31.000 My problem with the vaccine is nothing to do with whether or not anyone thinks it's good or bad.

00:30:35.000 I don't know.

00:30:36.000 I can only tell you make sure you trust your doctor and there's a good one.

00:30:39.000 And there are some good ones out there.

00:30:40.000 They're not super expensive.

00:30:41.000 You just got to go to the right places.

00:30:42.000 Get out of cities and you'll find good doctors.

00:30:44.000 But the issue here is Government mandates of medication.

00:30:48.000 I'm not going to sit here and make medical arguments.

00:30:49.000 I have no idea.

00:30:51.000 Trump wants to tout this as a major success.

00:30:53.000 Trump also says the mandates were bad.

00:30:56.000 Ron DeSantis also says the mandates were bad.

00:30:58.000 What am I supposed to argue?

00:30:59.000 How am I supposed to have a conversation with someone when they make a definitive scientific statement on something that I can read all the studies?

00:31:05.000 And I'm just like, well, I literally have no idea.

00:31:06.000 I'm not a doctor.

00:31:07.000 I can mention, Just the News, for instance, reported there's more data coming out about people suffering from myocarditis, which is now confirmed for many of these vaccines.

00:31:15.000 There are concerns around, I think one was polled, I think Johnson & Johnson may have been polled, but ultimately, like, I am not making, again, YouTube, I'm not making any widespread claims about all the vaccines.

00:31:25.000 My point is, there is data coming out, but even with this, there is still the simple statistical argument that If you give, if you mandate, 400 million doses of a vaccine, don't be surprised if you get a thousand news stories about adverse events.

00:31:40.000 That does not mean there is a higher density of adverse events.

00:31:43.000 It does, however, suggest, to the libertarian point, the government should not be mandating medications to people, which is where I'm at.

00:31:51.000 Blaming Donald Trump for what Democrat governors did does nothing to convince me of why I should vote for Ron DeSantis.

00:31:57.000 I'm not.

00:31:58.000 That's not what I did at all.

00:32:00.000 I'm saying that he has never backed down.

00:32:01.000 He continues to praise Operation Warp Speed and rushing the vaccine.

00:32:05.000 Just a few days ago, or like, sorry, I am so bad with time.

00:32:08.000 Like, I don't know if it was a week ago, two weeks ago, yesterday.

00:32:12.000 That's just the present epoch.

00:32:13.000 Things move so quickly and so strangely, you never know.

00:32:16.000 I'll tell you exactly what my thoughts are on this.

00:32:18.000 I don't think you actually care.

00:32:18.000 What do you mean?

00:32:18.000 one thing, let me just say one thing.

00:32:21.000 You know, he was just, again, saying how great it was.

00:32:24.000 He was saying it usually takes the FDA between five and 12 years, or nine and 12 years

00:32:29.000 to get this out, but he got it out in nine months.

00:32:31.000 That's what it was.

00:32:32.000 In nine months.

00:32:33.000 Isn't that, I mean, that's not something to brag about.

00:32:35.000 That's kind of bad.

00:32:36.000 This stuff should be tested longer.

00:32:38.000 This isn't, I'll tell you exactly what my thoughts are on this, I don't think you actually care.

00:32:43.000 What do you mean?

00:32:44.000 It makes no sense for you to say these things to me because you've never, like.

00:32:47.000 I don't care?

00:32:47.000 Yeah, I don't think you care at all.

00:32:49.000 Really?

00:32:49.000 Okay, because I think that my mom passed away because of it.

00:32:54.000 I'm sorry to hear about your mom.

00:32:55.000 I'm not trying to bring that into it, but like to say that I don't care about what the vaccine is doing to people.

00:33:01.000 I know people that were injured after taking this vaccine.

00:33:03.000 What do you mean I don't care?

00:33:04.000 This isn't just a political point against Trump.

00:33:07.000 This is serious.

00:33:07.000 When has anyone ever talked about the efficacy of testing criteria?

00:33:14.000 Okay, but this was rushed into society.

00:33:16.000 This was something that... So if your argument is authoritarianism and government mandates, I agree.

00:33:21.000 If your argument is the science was done wrong, I'm like, when has anyone ever known anything about how the science is supposed to be done?

00:33:26.000 But Trump rushing it and bragging that he rushed it without proper testing is a problem, and he continues to praise it and double down and say that he saved a hundred million people, when that's not true.

00:33:36.000 I just want him to take credit.

00:33:37.000 It would impress the hell out of me.

00:33:38.000 There's no factual basis points for anything you're saying.

00:33:40.000 Okay.

00:33:42.000 I can't make a logical fact-based argument when you're saying things that aren't rooted in statistics.

00:33:46.000 What do you mean?

00:33:47.000 Donald Trump says something hyperbolic and nonsensical.

00:33:49.000 Do you think it's rooted?

00:33:50.000 You then argue that his statement is factually untrue, but there's actually no data points one way or the other.

00:33:55.000 Okay, so do you think that it was a good thing to bypass the FDA, you know, their standard practices,

00:34:00.000 and rush out an experimental vaccine to be forced on people?

00:34:04.000 And I'm not saying he forced it.

00:34:05.000 I am not saying that.

00:34:07.000 I am saying, do you think it's a good idea to take credit for something and praise that this is something you did as one of the greatest achievements of mankind?

00:34:14.000 Seriously.

00:34:16.000 I don't know anything about scientific criteria, how things are done, so if someone comes to me and says, I've never researched this before in my life, I know literally nothing about how the labs operate, I know literally nothing about BSL-4 laboratories, therefore I think what Trump did was wrong because I all of a sudden have an opinion on something I've never researched before, I'm just like, okay.

00:34:36.000 This doesn't mean anything to me at all.

00:34:38.000 Okay.

00:34:39.000 If there is like, hey look, for most of our lives we've argued about whether or not, like

00:34:44.000 what is appropriate for children, we have moral standards as to what we teach kids,

00:34:48.000 and all of a sudden we're seeing an escalation in these people bringing these books into

00:34:52.000 schools.

00:34:53.000 Here's why I think it's wrong.

00:34:54.000 There is data suggesting that kids are, and then I'm like, oh I totally understand that.

00:34:58.000 Something we have all been a part of our whole lives is expansion of civil rights, arguments

00:35:02.000 about what the lines are, the debate 10 years ago where they said that if we legalize gay

00:35:05.000 marriage it's going to result in grooming, and then the left argued it wouldn't, and

00:35:09.000 now that it's happening, you've got conservatives saying, aha, this proves it, and I'm like,

00:35:12.000 I don't think it does.

00:35:13.000 This is like, over a long period of time, something directly impacting our lives has been the subject of major political debate, and we have opinions on it, and now we're correlating data points to suggest we think one thing is or isn't.

00:35:24.000 The vaccine stuff is, all of a sudden, one day, people had an opinion on a scientific issue they know nothing about.

00:35:29.000 There's arguments to be made about why the mandates are bad and why the government shouldn't have a role in mandating things, but when people come, like, people come to me and say, the science was done bad.

00:35:39.000 I'll be like, how should the science have been done?

00:35:40.000 It should have been done by these standards.

00:35:42.000 Have you, do you know anything about those standards?

00:35:44.000 Did anyone ever, like, I can't, I have nothing to say to that.

00:35:48.000 It's fine.

00:35:49.000 I'm not going to change your mind.

00:35:50.000 You're not going to change mine.

00:35:51.000 I'm just saying, in my opinion, that disgusts me about Donald Trump.

00:35:54.000 I'm not blaming him for the mandates.

00:35:55.000 I'm not blaming him for lockdowns.

00:35:57.000 I'm not doing any of that.

00:35:58.000 I am saying he subsidized the country to Fauci and he rushed the vaccine.

00:36:02.000 OK, whatever science you want to cite, I don't know.

00:36:05.000 That's how I feel.

00:36:07.000 And I think a lot of other people feel that way, too.

00:36:09.000 I know they do.

00:36:10.000 And I've always found it strange.

00:36:13.000 I find your position strange.

00:36:15.000 No offense.

00:36:15.000 My position is typically always like, if I don't know anything about this thing, I don't know what I'm supposed to say about it.

00:36:22.000 And I wonder why it is that people become so animated by something they've never been involved in before.

00:36:29.000 I can understand being upset about mandates.

00:36:31.000 The whole world was kind of brought into being involved in the vaccine when our lives were,

00:36:34.000 you know, threatened.

00:36:35.000 But that's government mandates.

00:36:36.000 I'm not relating that to Trump.

00:36:38.000 Not everything I say has to do with Trump.

00:36:39.000 I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying the mandates do.

00:36:42.000 It was also like fear campaigned by the media in a lot of ways.

00:36:45.000 And pharmaceuticals are making money.

00:36:47.000 And those things I all completely agree.

00:36:49.000 And Trump was funded by Big Pharma to bring him up again.

00:36:51.000 The government should not mandate medication, should not have the authority to do so, and there were a lot of people who resisted that.

00:36:56.000 That I totally understand.

00:36:57.000 But I don't understand how someone's going to try and make a scientific argument for which they don't know enough about to use as their moral position, when you will likely lose.

00:37:07.000 Now that being said, like, you know, that Hotez RFK debate is hilarious, that he wouldn't do it.

00:37:11.000 And I think he should.

00:37:12.000 And I actually disagree with RFK on a lot of stuff, as you can clearly hear me saying.

00:37:16.000 My issue is mainly, you have a very clear and obvious issue.

00:37:21.000 Government-mandated medication.

00:37:23.000 For some reason, the issue has been shifted away from that and towards the science was better.

00:37:27.000 You know what it was?

00:37:28.000 It was Anthony Fauci-mandated medication that was signed off on by Donald Trump.

00:37:32.000 Trump, I mean, there's an interview of Fauci saying that Trump never pushed back on him.

00:37:37.000 Trump never denied anything that Fauci recommended.

00:37:40.000 You know, that's why I say, literally, he subsidized the presidency to Fauci during this time.

00:37:44.000 Now, the origins of COVID, totally messed up.

00:37:48.000 I don't claim to know all that stuff.

00:37:49.000 I'm just saying, I voted for Donald Trump.

00:37:52.000 I got Fauci.

00:37:53.000 And I got an experimental vaccine, rushed, and I'm not blaming him for the mandates, as I said before, but I'm sorry, like, can you not take the position and just criticize Trump a little bit and say it's not a good look, it's not something he should do, to continuously praise it and say that he saved 100 million people and take credit for Operation Warp Speed, which Rush did.

00:38:14.000 These are opinions on issues of science I have no basis in.

00:38:21.000 I just watched this video from, we were watching a Flat Earther video downstairs, and it's really funny, like, I'm not trying to correlate people who have questions about vaccines with Flat Earthers.

00:38:31.000 I'm trying to make a point about specifically arguments that were made by some guy in the video not saying the same thing.

00:38:37.000 The issue was, the guy kept saying things that he clearly had no knowledge of, because of how he felt about them.

00:38:43.000 And I'm like, that's the only issue I take with it.

00:38:46.000 I've not measured the curvature of the Earth or anything like that, but it is strange to me when someone's like, you know, I've never had anything to do with any of this science before, I've never tested it, I've never studied it, but here's my thoughts on it and I feel strongly about it.

00:38:58.000 And to me, I'm just like, I find that very weird.

00:39:00.000 Like, I don't know how you have a position on something you've never experienced before, never researched before, you just heard repeated and all of a sudden you're like, I agree with it.

00:39:08.000 That's not true.

00:39:09.000 I didn't just hear it repeated.

00:39:10.000 But look, I don't want to spend the whole time talking about the vaccine.

00:39:13.000 For sure.

00:39:14.000 Can I just say one thing?

00:39:15.000 Firstly, of course, I'm very sorry for your loss.

00:39:17.000 That's horrible.

00:39:18.000 It was.

00:39:19.000 Thank you.

00:39:19.000 Yeah, I'm really sorry.

00:39:21.000 And not even speaking to the medical science, I can't verify or confirm or deny any of the numbers you put out there about the jab, but I will say that I would agree with you that Trump's relationship with Fauci and the way he handled the lockdowns was probably one of, if not the greatest weak points of his administration.

00:39:41.000 Yeah, I mean that's really when my support for him started dwindling.

00:39:45.000 You know, I want to remind everybody again, I am a two-time Trump voter.

00:39:49.000 I don't know if people know or if you guys know, but I run this account, or I did, I'm not very active on it anymore, called The Gay Who Strayed, and I started that in 2017 as a gay Trump supporter.

00:39:59.000 Like, I wanted to show that all Trump supporters weren't straight white men.

00:40:02.000 That's literally why I created the account, you know?

00:40:05.000 And I was an avid, avid, like, hardcore Trump supporter.

00:40:09.000 I mean, I just posted on Twitter, like, a few nights ago, I was involved in, like, Stop the Steal protests in Milwaukee.

00:40:18.000 Like, I was wearing a Trump cape on the news.

00:40:20.000 Or a flag as a cape.

00:40:21.000 Like, I was one of those people. 0.93

00:40:23.000 I was one of those crazy people.

00:40:24.000 And now I'm out of it, and I'm looking at it, and I'm seeing people still enraptured by him and it, and I'm just like, bro, There's one thing, well there's two big things that have been the focal point of my critiques and it's zealotry and it's deception.

00:40:39.000 That's what I don't like.

00:40:40.000 I don't like it when people can't explain or they have a position on something without justification.

00:40:48.000 People are allowed to do that, they do it all the time.

00:40:50.000 I'm critical of that.

00:40:52.000 Yeah, I want to ask you something here.

00:40:55.000 You were a huge Trump supporter, and I'm curious, did you stop liking him because you were at Stop the Steal rallies, right?

00:41:05.000 You were still clearly a fan of him after 2020.

00:41:07.000 Was this because of the tragedy in your own life, or were there other factors?

00:41:13.000 What was the moment, I guess, when you said, I really don't like Trump at all?

00:41:17.000 Was it when him and DeSantis went to war with each other?

00:41:21.000 Like I said, I did vote for him in 2020 and I was part of Stop the Steal because I did not want a Democrat in the White House.

00:41:27.000 I can say Trump did have good parts of his presidency.

00:41:31.000 Obviously he is incredibly miles better than a Biden president.

00:41:36.000 So, and I do believe that there were election irregularities.

00:41:40.000 Who knows?

00:41:41.000 Again, not an election expert.

00:41:43.000 Like, I'm not a, you know, science expert.

00:41:45.000 Maybe I can't comment on it.

00:41:46.000 I don't know.

00:41:48.000 But no, my support was dwindling then.

00:41:51.000 And then after Stop the Steal and after January 6th, What I saw happen, and people go there in support of him, and him abandon people when he said he's gonna go to the Capitol with them.

00:42:04.000 He didn't go.

00:42:05.000 He basically set them up in a giant honeypot situation.

00:42:08.000 I mean, you know, it's just a really bad idea to tell people to go to the Capitol.

00:42:12.000 I know he said go peacefully and whatnot, like, 100%.

00:42:15.000 His words were fine, but the fact that all these people went there because of him, and then after that, like, that was fine.

00:42:21.000 I didn't think it was a very smart thing to do, but that was fine.

00:42:25.000 But then afterwards, how he abandoned these political prisoners.

00:42:28.000 He completely abandoned the J6 prisoners, who I believe are just in a DC gitmo. 1.00

00:42:34.000 How did he abandon them?

00:42:35.000 He never talked about them.

00:42:39.000 During the last couple weeks of his presidency?

00:42:41.000 Right.

00:42:42.000 I mean, he pardoned Kodak Black, which was huge.

00:42:45.000 Awesome.

00:42:47.000 How many people got directly arrested?

00:42:50.000 No, I don't know.

00:42:51.000 But I'm just saying, I'm not saying that he could have pardoned them.

00:42:53.000 I'm just saying like, you know, afterwards when they were going through this whole process, he didn't speak about them at all.

00:42:59.000 He really stayed hush-hush because J6 was such a big, like, controversial thing in the news and it looked bad for him to speak on it, you know, and get involved.

00:43:06.000 But his most ardent supporters were rotting away in solitary confinement while, you know, and he's a billionaire.

00:43:13.000 He's a billionaire.

00:43:14.000 I think that he could have helped with their legal defense fund.

00:43:17.000 You know, and he only just started talking about them again now that he's running, but he ignored them for like, I mean, two years.

00:43:24.000 So that's really unfortunate.

00:43:28.000 Those are two main reasons, but you're asking kind of a timeline.

00:43:31.000 It had nothing to do with my mom.

00:43:32.000 It was long before then, and it had nothing to do with... I mean, I've been a DeSantis fan and supporter, you know, because I saw what he was doing in Florida.

00:43:39.000 I mean, Yeah, to be clear, I'm not trying to say, like, oh, this is only for personal reasons to delegitimize.

00:43:45.000 I was just curious what separated you from it.

00:43:48.000 Well, I just want to say that I do, at the moment, really heavily prefer Trump, but I'm sympathetic to all of those criticisms.

00:43:56.000 Fair.

00:43:56.000 And see, this is how it should be.

00:43:59.000 We should be able to talk and disagree, but still, we're on the same side at the end of the day.

00:44:04.000 Move closer, Seamus.

00:44:05.000 Don't be afraid.

00:44:06.000 I think one of the main reasons that Trump is going up in the polls is because of DeSantis' failures and less because of Trump's successes.

00:44:13.000 Disagree.

00:44:13.000 It has to be because there's only 100% that they can tally.

00:44:17.000 Because Trump's not doing anything.

00:44:18.000 No, he is doing something.

00:44:19.000 He's turning his base against DeSantis.

00:44:22.000 I want to tell you something, a little story.

00:44:24.000 I used to run a merch store before I started Gays Against Groomers. 1.00

00:44:26.000 It was called The Base Patriot.

00:44:28.000 I had merch on there that said Make America Florida.

00:44:31.000 It was my best-selling t-shirt.

00:44:33.000 All of All of my followers and supporters were Trump supporters, obviously.

00:44:37.000 Every single person that bought something from that store was a Trump supporter.

00:44:41.000 Now, three days before the midterm election, Trump decided to have a little meltdown and he went on an unhinged, unprovoked attack against DeSantis and hasn't stopped attacking him since.

00:44:51.000 He has started calling him DeSanctimonious and DeSanctus, which I don't know what that means.

00:44:58.000 Uh, you know, I believe that the cult of personality is so strong with Donald Trump that these lies and names and slander that he's throwing at DeSantis is literally changing the minds of these people who once, not very long ago, loved DeSantis and were saying, make America Florida.

00:45:13.000 That makes no sense though.

00:45:14.000 How does that not make sense?

00:45:15.000 How could someone be a Trump supporter to the degree that they would vote for Ron DeSantis until Donald Trump told them not to and then they decided to vote for Trump instead?

00:45:21.000 Well, the polls were completely reversed not long ago.

00:45:23.000 Right, so your logic makes no sense.

00:45:25.000 Yes, it does.

00:45:25.000 Someone was going to vote for Trump.

00:45:28.000 But actually, we're going to vote for DeSantis.

00:45:29.000 You're not understanding what I'm saying.

00:45:31.000 So someone was going to vote for DeSantis until Trump told them not to and said, OK, I'll vote for Trump instead?

00:45:35.000 Yeah.

00:45:35.000 That makes no sense.

00:45:36.000 Yes, it does.

00:45:36.000 They were either a Trump supporter or a DeSantis supporter.

00:45:38.000 No, it's not that they weren't anti-Trump, but they preferred DeSantis.

00:45:41.000 And all these polls, if you remember from a few months ago, like six months ago, there were a million polls all the time.

00:45:47.000 Who do you want to see the nominee, Trump or DeSantis?

00:45:49.000 And DeSantis was winning every single one.

00:45:51.000 Then Trump started going on his unhinged attacks every single day.

00:45:55.000 The people who didn't like Trump believed Trump over DeSantis.

00:45:59.000 Yes.

00:45:59.000 But I'm not saying- That's a failure of DeSantis.

00:46:01.000 No, no, no.

00:46:02.000 I'm not saying that they didn't like Trump.

00:46:03.000 I'm saying that they saw that DeSantis was a better option.

00:46:07.000 And now, between the constant, like, pressure campaign from Trump slandering DeSantis and making everybody think he's some rhino- You know, you talk about AI-generated art.

00:46:16.000 I mean, DeSantis posts- I mean, Trump posts on Truth Social around DeSantis riding a rhino.

00:46:22.000 A Photoshop is not a deepfake.

00:46:27.000 You're giving me a really good example of exactly what I've been talking about in Ron DeSantis' failures.

00:46:32.000 It makes no logical sense.

00:46:35.000 I was for DeSantis last year.

00:46:37.000 I went on the Daily Wire show and said he's got more tact, he's got a better track record.

00:46:41.000 I think he's gonna be the guy.

00:46:43.000 That's all still true. And then, earlier in the year when I was like 50-50 because Trump had started the campaign, he

00:46:48.000 started talking about what he wanted to do, he said schedule F, I'm like, okay, it could go either way.

00:46:51.000 Ron DeSantis made some mistakes. When I point those out, I get relentlessly attacked in a way I've never been attacked

00:46:57.000 before.

00:46:57.000 The DeSantis campaign itself attacked me. And people started saying, like, why is the DeSantis campaign going

00:47:04.000 after Tim Poole like this?

00:47:06.000 I'm not saying it was the craziest thing in the world.

00:47:07.000 It was like a series of tweets over a few days resulting in me getting bombarded by people insulting me.

00:47:14.000 I shrug it off and I'm like, wow.

00:47:16.000 In response to bad press, the DeSantis campaign lied and then instead of letting it, ignoring it, they decide to go on the offensive.

00:47:24.000 That was one example that personally affected me, and I was like, so that dropped me off

00:47:28.000 from 50-50 to 55-45. Then Ron DeSantis published deepfakes, his campaign to the DeSantis War Room,

00:47:36.000 and then when I said, yo, that's crossing the line, once again, I started getting intense

00:47:42.000 heat from them telling me that they're allowed to do it because Trump once posted a picture

00:47:46.000 of Ron riding a rhinoceros, which is laughable.

00:47:48.000 Okay, and you and I spoke about this before.

00:47:50.000 I don't understand how, you know, these things that are put out by his campaign or by the War Room or by, you know, whatever, accounts and retweeted, whatever the case may be, I don't understand how that can change your support from the actual candidate.

00:48:03.000 because like... I can explain it to you. Okay. Yeah, for one, Ron DeSantis has surrounded himself

00:48:08.000 by people who are not competent and when faced with not even criticism, the first thing that

00:48:14.000 DeSantis people started attacking me for was that I was shocked to find out that Jazz Jennings got

00:48:18.000 trans surgery in Florida while he was governor and the response from the campaign was to lie,

00:48:22.000 claim it didn't happen, and then tell me that Ron didn't have a time machine.

00:48:26.000 Which was like the weirdest thing ever, because all Christina Pesceau had to do was respond to my tweet with a winking emoji saying, Ron's on it.

00:48:33.000 And I would've been like, great!

00:48:34.000 Instead- Well, it is illegal now, you know, it wasn't- And still under DeSantis, so these things are going on.

00:48:40.000 I didn't say Ron failed, I was like, is this going on under Ron?

00:48:43.000 And they relentlessly attacked me for it.

00:48:45.000 The response from the Trump camp was to use that against Ron. Now my point about Ron losing support and your

00:48:53.000 argument not making sense is my support for Ron and my departure from him has nothing to

00:48:59.000 do with Trump saying anything.

00:49:00.000 I know it has to do with deepfakes. 0.91

00:49:02.000 Which is what my point was and other things. My point was it's not about Trump's successes.

00:49:07.000 Trump doesn't have very many right now.

00:49:09.000 No, he doesn't.

00:49:10.000 It's about Ron's failures, his campaign, and his supporters' inability to address the mistakes he's making, double down and defend everything he does, no matter what, like they're in a cult.

00:49:19.000 But again, what does that have to do with the actual candidate and the way Ron DeSantis leads and has led in Florida, which turned Florida into a deep red state?

00:49:27.000 It's literally bad leadership.

00:49:28.000 I can answer that.

00:49:29.000 I disagree.

00:49:30.000 Personnel.

00:49:31.000 He's got bad personnel who are doing bad things and hurting people.

00:49:34.000 You don't have to explain.

00:49:35.000 I understand.

00:49:36.000 I just disagree.

00:49:37.000 It's similar to how Donald Trump put Fauci in charge.

00:49:41.000 Fauci was in charge and Trump should have fired him.

00:49:44.000 Trump should have taken control because he was in charge as the president and he acted

00:49:47.000 like he wasn't, kind of, in a way, which is very strange.

00:49:49.000 He should have been making all the calls, not letting other people do it, or signing off on other people's decisions like that.

00:49:55.000 It was his job.

00:49:56.000 So if Ron DeSantis makes bad personnel decisions, we could see another weird doctor calling the shots in the White House.

00:50:04.000 Maybe it wouldn't be a doctor this time.

00:50:05.000 It could be somebody, though, that's not a good pick.

00:50:07.000 That's the concern.

00:50:08.000 Yeah, you look at the people that Ron has put in, though, like in his administration.

00:50:12.000 You look at the... what is it called?

00:50:15.000 I'm so bad with, like, titles.

00:50:17.000 But the guy in charge of the medical stuff down there.

00:50:20.000 Oh, what's his name?

00:50:20.000 Joe Latipo?

00:50:21.000 I think that's his name.

00:50:22.000 Oh, he's the Surgeon General of Florida, is that right?

00:50:23.000 No, the Surgeon General.

00:50:24.000 Sorry, thank you.

00:50:24.000 He's been on the show.

00:50:25.000 That is the word.

00:50:25.000 I swear I'm actually a smart person.

00:50:27.000 That's a fascinating thing.

00:50:28.000 Let me read this super chat from General Kao.

00:50:30.000 Tim blames DeSantis for his bad team but defends Trump by blaming it on a bad team.

00:50:33.000 I quite literally never did that. 0.99

00:50:34.000 I said Trump made a mistake and hired dumbass people and took bad advice from people like Sheldon Adelstein. 0.99

00:50:39.000 I can say it a million and one times. 0.99

00:50:41.000 And Ron DeSantis is currently on a similar path and I don't like it.

00:50:44.000 And Ron DeSantis won't own up to his mistakes and I don't like it.

00:50:47.000 And Donald Trump was never my first pick and I didn't vote for him in 2016 and I only liked his foreign policy and him banning government contracts with woke companies.

00:50:54.000 I will take Donald Trump right now because he's more likely to fire people than Ron is.

00:50:58.000 These are basic simple statements.

00:50:59.000 But he's going to hire Lindsey Graham.

00:51:01.000 The more the DeSantis people lie about what that position is, the more I'm just going to keep pointing out that the DeSantis supporters are just lying about what's going on and refuse to accept that Ron has screwed up.

00:51:12.000 If you can't, look, I don't care if Ron wins or loses.

00:51:15.000 I'll just tell you this right now.

00:51:17.000 If Ron can't get a hold of this and his supporters can't accept it, he will lose and he deserves to lose.

00:51:23.000 That's it.

00:51:24.000 Fair.

00:51:25.000 I just want to say that Trump will drain the swamp with Lindsey Graham by his side.

00:51:29.000 Don't even know if he'll do that, but if it's 51% to Ron DeSantis' 49%, I'll put my bet on the 51%.

00:51:34.000 And that's been my position the whole time.

00:51:37.000 I'm bullish on Vivek Ramaswamy, man.

00:51:39.000 You seem, you know, he just seems like your guy.

00:51:41.000 Like, I can tell.

00:51:42.000 Like, Ian Crosland and Vivek, like, it's just a match.

00:51:45.000 He's a billionaire by the time he's 26 or something.

00:51:48.000 So is Zuckerberg, though.

00:51:49.000 Watch out for that.

00:51:51.000 That might be a reason to be skeptical of somebody, actually.

00:51:53.000 You have to be joking.

00:51:53.000 to be skeptical of somebody. I have never seen such as such as

00:51:56.000 zealotry for a candidate with Ron that I have with Ron. You have

00:51:59.000 to be joking. I'm literally not kidding. Okay, how is it that

00:52:05.000 Charlie Kirk, Alex Bruce awits, you're gonna say that when a

00:52:08.000 lake when there's a common here, okay, Steve Bannon, and I can 0.99

00:52:12.000 tell them to their faces, Trump screwed up, Trump screwed up, 0.90

00:52:15.000 Trump screwed up, I'm not talking about them. 0.99

00:52:18.000 I'm talking about the most ardent Trump supporters. 0.93

00:52:20.000 No, I'm not talking about these big names, these famous whatever people in the political world.

00:52:24.000 I'm talking about your average supporter.

00:52:27.000 Um, you know, Trump says, uh, Ron DeSantis is a meatball.

00:52:30.000 The next day, all you see in the replies of a DeSantis tweet is meatball Ron, meatball Ron.

00:52:35.000 Ron DeSantis is Jeb 2.0, Trump says.

00:52:37.000 The next thing you see is Jeb, Jeb, Jeb, you know.

00:52:40.000 I mean, yeah, you guys are fighting with each other.

00:52:42.000 No, no, but it's just like everything Trump parrots, or Trump says they parrot, and it's instantly true, like according to them.

00:52:48.000 This is the thing for like, for where we are.

00:52:51.000 I did not vote for Trump in 2016.

00:52:54.000 I voted for Trump in 2020 on a few key issues.

00:52:57.000 I am not very strongly conservative Republican and I'm not super concerned about a lot of the issues.

00:53:04.000 There's a handful of culture war issues I like.

00:53:06.000 I think Ron DeSantis did a very good job on a lot of them.

00:53:08.000 The Trump supporters and the DeSantis supporters are going at each other relentlessly.

00:53:13.000 I, as someone who don't really care, for the most part, say, hey, look at bad thing.

00:53:19.000 I get attacked by DeSantis supporters.

00:53:21.000 I look at Trump and say, hey, look at bad thing.

00:53:23.000 Trump supporters say, let me argue with you.

00:53:25.000 I don't get the level of vitriol, hate, and zealotry from Trump supporters that maybe you do.

00:53:29.000 No, the second I come out and say anything negative about Trump, I'm instantly called a rhino.

00:53:34.000 I'm instantly called a shill.

00:53:35.000 I'm instantly called every name in the book. 0.92

00:53:37.000 We talk crap about Trump all the time and we don't get the level that we get from DeSantis supporters. 0.89

00:53:41.000 Okay, we've had Luke Rutkowski on the show. 0.97

00:53:43.000 You have a vastly different experience than me and a lot of people that I know.

00:53:46.000 So yeah, I mean, so who's to say which version is correct?

00:53:50.000 This is why Trump will win.

00:53:52.000 What do you mean? 0.99

00:53:52.000 Trump will win because his supporters are crazy. 0.99

00:53:56.000 Because if people like me and Luke, the libertarians and disaffected liberals who come on this show, if their experience of Trump supporters tends to be arguments and their experience of DeSantis supporters tends to be vitriol, they're going to lean against DeSantis. 0.99

00:54:12.000 I just want to be clear when I say his supporters are crazy.

00:54:16.000 I respect Trump supporters. 0.91

00:54:18.000 I'm friends with Trump supporters.

00:54:19.000 So many people in my organization are Trump supporters.

00:54:22.000 When I talk about the crazy ones, I'm talking about these Trump ideologues that are enraptured by the cult of personalities.

00:54:30.000 I want to make that very clear because I don't like attacking people like that and I'm not trying to paint a broad brush.

00:54:36.000 Couldn't you say that's also something that happens in different candidacies?

00:54:40.000 Like, there are people who are absolutely diehard DeSantis fans who are just gonna agree with whatever he says, and they're gonna be extremely angry with you if you criticize them.

00:54:48.000 And this is something I've noticed, by the way, right?

00:54:50.000 So, I think, with the way I've been careful about my messaging, I haven't really said anything all that bombastic.

00:54:57.000 My main points about, like, the Trump-DeSantis thing have basically been, I think it's not great for the Republican Party that these two guys are fighting in an ideal world.

00:55:07.000 They would get along with each other.

00:55:08.000 When I see, you know, Trump dunk on DeSantis, it doesn't, like, thrill me the way him dunking on Jeb Bush did.

00:55:15.000 I don't go, oh, this is awesome.

00:55:17.000 Part of me goes, it's sad because I think DeSantis does have a lot to offer this country, but that said, even when I've said things like, I think that Trump has a far broader appeal with respect to his charismatic powers than DeSantis, and I don't think DeSantis gets people as excited, I've had people very angry with me just for saying that, which I think is a very mild criticism.

00:55:38.000 You know, regarding what you said earlier, that Trump supporters are crazy, I think maybe it was a little heavy-handed what you said, that it's that, in my opinion, that cultism is crazy.

00:55:48.000 People that fall into cultism are falling into a crazy methodology. 0.96

00:55:52.000 Not that they themselves are, it's just that that is a crazy way to behave.

00:55:55.000 To love someone no matter what is a crazy way to behave.

00:55:58.000 Well, if you look at the signs, there's this graphic that was floating around, like the seven signs you're in a cult, and all of them, you know, Let me look these up.

00:56:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:07.000 Read them.

00:56:08.000 Can we read them?

00:56:09.000 Because it's amazing.

00:56:09.000 And you just see if it makes you think of any... This is from the Atlantic.

00:56:14.000 I don't know if I'm gonna... Medium has ten signs.

00:56:17.000 There's a lot of different signs apparently.

00:56:19.000 I haven't read this one.

00:56:20.000 Let's see.

00:56:21.000 There's a couple.

00:56:21.000 Opposing critical thinking.

00:56:23.000 Isolating members and penalizing- No, this isn't the one.

00:56:25.000 This isn't the one.

00:56:26.000 It's from the Atlantic.

00:56:27.000 Oops.

00:56:27.000 No, just dishonoring the family unit.

00:56:28.000 No, that's- It's about the church.

00:56:29.000 It was basically just about, like, the leader.

00:56:31.000 It was- It was, like, basically the leader can never say anything wrong.

00:56:34.000 The leader can- Like how DeSantis supporters- A lot of them, yeah.

00:56:37.000 Name one thing you've hated to criticize Sanders for.

00:56:40.000 I mean, when?

00:56:43.000 Ever?

00:56:43.000 At any point, ever.

00:56:44.000 I have criticized, you know, the ad, the Pride ad that went out.

00:56:49.000 I don't think it was nearly as bad as... I do have a tweet if you want to look it up, like a week... Again, I have no sense of time, but very recently when the ad came out that wasn't put out by his campaign, it should be noted, but I was critical of it.

00:57:01.000 I was saying, do I love to see that as a, you know, as a right-wing lesbian? 1.00

00:57:05.000 No.

00:57:06.000 Do I think it is anti-gay and homophobic?

00:57:09.000 Also, no.

00:57:10.000 But, you know, I'm able to.

00:57:11.000 Like, I am able to see faults and maybe blind spots and comment on that.

00:57:17.000 I think this is the seven signs you were referring to.

00:57:20.000 Okay, let's hear it.

00:57:21.000 Yeah, I found one.

00:57:21.000 Leadership discourage, ignores, or punishes questioning.

00:57:24.000 Leadership encourages self-policing, including confession and punishment.

00:57:27.000 No, that's not it either.

00:57:29.000 I'll have to find it.

00:57:29.000 I'll send it to you.

00:57:30.000 The rest of them are all the same as Atlantic.

00:57:31.000 No, it was in an image format, it wasn't an article.

00:57:34.000 I think cultism and politics are interesting because you like to think you're voting for ideas and policies, but you're really just voting for a human that can turn on you at any moment.

00:57:43.000 Yes, and that is a massively important point.

00:57:46.000 I completely agree with you.

00:57:47.000 We should be greatly concerned with a person's policies, but one thing that has always driven me crazy about the left Is whenever one of their leaders gets caught up in something like a sex scandal, and this was huge with Clinton, their response is to say, well, we shouldn't care about the moral quality of our candidates, all we should care about are the policies, as if they're not a human being, they're just a set of policy prescriptions.

00:58:09.000 No, you need a leader in that position, so you want someone who behaves morally.

00:58:12.000 And I think it's perfectly legitimate to point out the immoral behaviors of any candidate in any party, and I'm completely willing to bite the bullet on that with Trump.

00:58:21.000 But what really drives me crazy is when I do point out just the human appeal, the fact that there's more charisma with Trump and people say, well, you know, policy matters more.

00:58:30.000 I can say, in a sense, yes, absolutely.

00:58:32.000 If it were up to me, we would just choose people based on policy.

00:58:34.000 But when you're picking a candidate, the thing you do have to consider is, are people going to want to grab a beer with this guy?

00:58:40.000 Because that's going to determine how many people vote. 0.87

00:58:44.000 Oh, age is another one, not necessarily age but health of the brain, brain health.

00:58:48.000 These are all reasons why last year I was saying Ron DeSantis was the guy for the job.

00:58:54.000 Trump's old, Ron's younger, Ron's got great policies.

00:58:58.000 How about no more geriatrics in the White House? 0.99

00:59:01.000 He's got youthful vigor and military service, things that Donald Trump doesn't have.

00:59:05.000 And then when Donald Trump relaunched his campaign, and there were a few key issues, especially relating to the war in Ukraine, and I don't- I believe Trump will end it over- I don't think even Trump as a person with words will end it.

00:59:17.000 I think the Trump persona will be a contributing factor in ending it, which I talked about earlier.

00:59:21.000 Uh, put me at like a, I don't know, we'll see, you know, 50-50.

00:59:23.000 I like Ron DeSantis, he's a great, great proven track record in Florida.

00:59:26.000 And then Ron made a bunch of mistakes.

00:59:28.000 Notably, the big issue, one of the big issues for me was the deepfake thing.

00:59:31.000 Yeah.

00:59:32.000 Which his campaign has completely refused to acknowledge, apologize for.

00:59:35.000 I just don't think it's that big of a deal.

00:59:37.000 Like I, and you know that I- I do.

00:59:39.000 I think the media lying is the biggest, is one of my biggest pet peeves, one of my biggest issues I've complained about for years.

00:59:43.000 But it's not a lie, it's not a lie.

00:59:45.000 The photo is not real.

00:59:46.000 He never did.

00:59:47.000 I mean, he may have hugged Fauci, but that picture was not real.

00:59:50.000 But he did embrace Fauci.

00:59:52.000 Huh?

00:59:53.000 It's three photos.

00:59:53.000 Okay, whatever.

00:59:54.000 He never hugged Fauci.

00:59:57.000 Those photos are not real.

00:59:58.000 Those three photos, whatever, are not real.

01:00:00.000 But he did embrace Fauci.

01:00:02.000 And that is worse.

01:00:03.000 He did embrace Fauci.

01:00:04.000 It's a lot worse than just hugging him one time.

01:00:06.000 He embraced Fauci-ism. 0.98

01:00:07.000 He let Fauci run the freaking country. 0.97

01:00:10.000 It's dangerous to rely on metaphors. 0.97

01:00:12.000 I don't understand why that's such a big deal.

01:00:13.000 But Trump embracing Fauci is not.

01:00:16.000 No, you can say that both are bad and you can say that one of the issues with DeSantis making these deepfakes is that it's a great deflection point for Trump.

01:00:27.000 If DeSantis wants to bring up Trump's relationship with Fauci during the debates or any other candidate that wants to bring that up, Trump just goes, more lies, more deepfakes, and he can say that credibly because there was a deepfake.

01:00:37.000 I mean, I guess, but I think voters are smart enough to understand that people are bringing up, you know, how he handed the presidency over to him and not just like a two-second clip from a quick ad like a year ago.

01:00:49.000 But the thing is, like, a quick soundbite response is very persuasive to the American public.

01:00:54.000 I get that.

01:00:55.000 So for Trump just being able to say, you've made deep fakes of me and Fauci, we're not going to listen to you, you have no credibility here, is going to be a massive asset for Trump in the debate.

01:01:01.000 And the moderator is going to say, this is correct.

01:01:05.000 Governor DeSantis, you did do this.

01:01:06.000 How do you respond?

01:01:07.000 Okay, and if I was DeSantis, I would say you literally embraced Fauci.

01:01:10.000 Maybe you didn't hug him, like in this picture, but you embraced him.

01:01:14.000 He's admitting it, folks.

01:01:16.000 He's confessing.

01:01:17.000 That's what Trump's gonna do.

01:01:18.000 Figuratively, your presidency, you embraced Fauci, and the country was destroyed because of that decision by you.

01:01:25.000 And Trump's gonna interrupt him and say, he's confessed, he's admitted it, that's what I'm talking about.

01:01:30.000 Whatever, we can play what-ifs, what-about-ism, we'll see how it plays out if Trump even goes.

01:01:34.000 Why isn't Trump going to the debate?

01:01:36.000 I'd love to see it.

01:01:37.000 The danger I see with deepfakes is that we're still early in the technology, so in four years, you'll be able to make a video of someone doing whatever you want, and it will look exactly real life.

01:01:45.000 And if you put real life Jamie, if I put that over the video of you doing something that you didn't do, even if I think metaphorically it counts, that's dirty. 0.98

01:01:54.000 I think that it would be a lot worse if it was Trump, like, sucking some dude off, right? 0.75

01:01:58.000 Like, that would never be in a campaign ad, but something that, like, is very obviously, you know, in real life never happened. 0.92

01:02:06.000 Maybe it did, but I'm just saying, like, him hugging Fauci in a picture, a fake picture, when he actually, like, embraced him.

01:02:15.000 Figuratively, and like for over a year, two years or something, I don't think that that's comparable to like a deep fake of me, you know, kissing a guy, proving that I'm straight, you know, like trying to say, see, she's straight.

01:02:29.000 Like that's different, I think.

01:02:31.000 But if it was you doing something, killing someone, and it looked real... Well, yeah, that's terrible!

01:02:36.000 But the technology's already there.

01:02:39.000 We already have that.

01:02:40.000 Yeah, it's almost exactly real.

01:02:41.000 But I don't think that you can take it that extreme from this DeSantis ad.

01:02:45.000 I just don't.

01:02:47.000 It's the beginning of a long tunnel of danger.

01:02:49.000 It's a crossing of the Rubicon.

01:02:53.000 We have long talked about the dangers of AI.

01:02:56.000 Uh, we've talked to, like, you know, uh, side note, Elon launch, launches XAI, more is coming.

01:03:00.000 Yeah, we should talk about that.

01:03:01.000 Media is gonna start, they've already announced, I think, GMG, Gizmodo Media, I think it's Gizmodo Media Group, is firing journalists, they're gonna do AI content instead.

01:03:08.000 But AI can only imitate, it can't create.

01:03:11.000 So what happens is, instead of new information getting generated, it regurgitates existing information, feeds it back into the AI and creates a feedback loop.

01:03:19.000 So what DeSantis did is a component of that very, very bad thing.

01:03:24.000 Should not have happened, crosses the Rubicon into very dangerous territories where we're going to start seeing very subtle manipulations in politics.

01:03:33.000 We can tolerate none of it.

01:03:34.000 The only way we navigate it is by making it unconscionable to do.

01:03:38.000 Sure.

01:03:39.000 So Ron DeSantis goes to zero so long as he's done the unthinkable.

01:03:42.000 Okay, I still think it's, in my opinion, not worth abandoning your support of the potential, you know, I mean, the greatest politician I believe in the Republican Party right now, that is running for president, that shines against Trump in every way.

01:03:57.000 You know, that's just my opinion, and I respect yours, Tim.

01:04:00.000 And like I said, we should be able to have these conversations, okay?

01:04:03.000 Like, you know, this isn't Twitter, we should be able to have a healthy debate.

01:04:07.000 Yeah, we are having healthy but like and still be on good terms.

01:04:11.000 Like I still respect you.

01:04:13.000 I respect your opinion.

01:04:14.000 I think Ron DeSantis is the is the best politician in the country.

01:04:17.000 Hands down.

01:04:18.000 I want to have him in here.

01:04:19.000 Why wouldn't you want him to be president over deepfake? 0.99

01:04:24.000 He's incompetent and he's bad. 0.96

01:04:25.000 We do have breaking news that we have to jump to. 0.93

01:04:28.000 arguments yeah maybe it's against groomer stuff what's it up to well what's

01:04:34.000 happening we do have breaking news we do have breaking news that we have to jump

01:04:37.000 to ladies and gentlemen Wow Ray Epps to be criminally charged for events on

01:04:43.000 January 6 that's a big attorney says yeah this is a big one Why did it take this long?

01:04:49.000 Because he's suing Fox News.

01:04:50.000 I think he just announced it.

01:04:52.000 That's the next bit of news.

01:04:53.000 But the revelation was made in a lawsuit that Epps filed against Fox News on Wednesday that accused the network and former host Tucker Carlson of defaming him.

01:04:59.000 So it is because of this lawsuit that he is, I'm sorry, it is because of the lawsuit we know he's been criminally charged, I suppose the argument they're making is that he's being charged because of them or something, I don't know.

01:05:11.000 Dude, here's the thing.

01:05:12.000 Let's say, let's just say, okay?

01:05:17.000 Wow, Epps is being prosecuted.

01:05:18.000 We'll play make-believe for a moment and we'll say, you know what, this is just some guy who went there, he wasn't working with any kind of federal agency, and he hasn't been protected by his status as someone who worked with them.

01:05:32.000 Even so, even if we want to say that's the case, Good.

01:05:35.000 This guy should be charged.

01:05:37.000 You're whispering.

01:05:38.000 You're instigating the day before, telling people that they have to go into the Capitol.

01:05:43.000 Everyone starts calling you a fed.

01:05:45.000 You're still doing it, going around instigating.

01:05:46.000 You're whispering in the ear of the first person to break a barrier down before they break the barrier down.

01:05:51.000 Why did it take so long for this guy to be arrested?

01:05:53.000 All right.

01:05:54.000 Epps lawyer blamed Carlson for the potential forthcoming charges.

01:05:57.000 Take a look at that.

01:05:59.000 It wasn't your client.

01:06:00.000 Hold, stop, stop.

01:06:01.000 Thank you, Tucker Carlson.

01:06:02.000 It wasn't like, yeah, yeah, no, it was Tucker Carlson's fault.

01:06:05.000 Tucker Carlson was actually whispering in Ray Epps' ear before Ray Epps whispered in

01:06:09.000 everyone else's ear to start breaking the barriers down. 0.91

01:06:12.000 You know what, Tucker is still going to destroy Fox News even not being there because if he

01:06:17.000 wins, if Epps, you know, has a case here against them, then uh...

01:06:21.000 Shout out to Tucker.

01:06:22.000 Tim's shouting out Tucker right now as we speak.

01:06:24.000 Fix the OCD about typos.

01:06:25.000 No, I mean, this is very real.

01:06:27.000 I've spoken about Ray Epps a bit in the past.

01:06:29.000 We've had some conversations about him and about January 6th and just how interesting it is that he was so clearly involved in instigating and yet he never got in any trouble.

01:06:38.000 Look, him being charged is a win-win regardless.

01:06:41.000 When you look at how many people were rotting away in prison in solitary confinement, were having their rights violated for doing things like entering the building, just a fraction of it.

01:06:49.000 When you look what happened to Brandon Strzoka, they claimed he was outside of the Capitol and they claim That they heard him saying that people should go in, or something along those lines, and there's not even footage of him saying it, they just claim the voice saying it on camera is him, and then he ended up having to plea down to avoid prison time, and this guy was whispering in people's ears, telling them to break barriers down, was telling people on January 5th that they needed to go into the Capitol, and here it is, July of 2023, and he's now being charged?

01:07:24.000 This is ridiculous! 0.64

01:07:25.000 Two and a half years later! 0.98

01:07:27.000 Yes.

01:07:27.000 Two and a half years later.

01:07:29.000 And I just love that he's saying Carlson, he's blaming Carlson for the upcoming charges.

01:07:33.000 I just tweeted, thank you Tucker Carlson, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

01:07:36.000 So is that why he's announcing that they're going to sue Fox for Tucker's voice?

01:07:41.000 Because he didn't do anything wrong and then Tucker Carlson just made him look bad for no reasons.

01:07:47.000 This is really funny.

01:07:48.000 Look at what Rolling Stone said.

01:07:49.000 They said, The lawsuit alleges the network, particularly its former host Tucker Carlson, painted Epps as an undercover federal agent in order to push a conspiracy that the FBI helped orchestrate the riot.

01:07:58.000 In the aftermath of the events of January 6th, Fox News searched for a scapegoat to blame other than Donald Trump or the Republican Party.

01:08:04.000 Eventually, they turned on one of their own, telling a fantastical story in which Ray Epps, who was a Trump supporter that participated in the protests on January 6th, We went from insurrection to riot to protest real fast right there.

01:08:19.000 They said he was an undercover agent, was responsible for the mob that broke into the Capitol and interfered with the peaceful transition of power, the conspiracy theory, blah blah blah, fed fed fed.

01:08:29.000 Do they mention here that he's being criminally charged?

01:08:34.000 They said in May they were notified by the- that was the other article, it said that in May they were notified.

01:08:38.000 Rolling Stone said that?

01:08:39.000 No, it was the article you had up before.

01:08:42.000 Yeah.

01:08:43.000 I don't- I don't know if, uh... They conveniently left that part out.

01:08:47.000 Yeah, I don't think Rolling Stone's bringing up that he's blaming Carlson for being criminally charged.

01:08:53.000 How does that work?

01:08:53.000 If you're criminally charged with something, and then you try and sue the person that got the criminal charge?

01:08:59.000 Oh, look at this, look at this.

01:09:00.000 I'm sorry to interrupt, but look.

01:09:01.000 It says, Epps has not been arrested for his involvement, and Carlson and others have alleged the Justice Department is protecting him because of working for the FBI.

01:09:09.000 Yet, in the lawsuit, Epps says he's being criminally charged.

01:09:13.000 Huh.

01:09:15.000 Recently informed apps had plans to prosecute him.

01:09:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:09:18.000 Rolling Stone, fact-check your garbage. 0.98

01:09:20.000 Unless the Daily Wire's wrong, I really doubt it. 0.97

01:09:22.000 Well, Rolling Stone has- they've really been batting a hundred lately, huh?

01:09:27.000 We saw their article about- That's bad.

01:09:30.000 About Sound of Freedom.

01:09:31.000 And did you see their article?

01:09:32.000 Wasn't- there was like a meme, like a screenshot side-by-side of the article about Sound of Freedom and then their article about Cuties?

01:09:37.000 That Netflix movie?

01:09:38.000 Yes, that's right!

01:09:39.000 They said it was like a great- I wanna- I gotta read this.

01:09:41.000 I gotta read this.

01:09:42.000 Section 94 of the lawsuit.

01:09:44.000 Finally, in May 23, the Department of Justice notified Epps that it would seek to charge him criminally for the events on January 6, 2021.

01:09:50.000 Two and a half years later, the relentless attacks by Fox and Mr. Carlson and the resulting political pressure likely resulted in the criminal charges.

01:09:58.000 Wow, Tucker Carlson, can I buy you a beer?

01:10:01.000 Yeah, you can, actually.

01:10:03.000 As if we're supposed to.

01:10:04.000 Conservative dad's ultra-ripe beer.

01:10:06.000 The question is, when they publish these kinds of stories trying to smear Tucker, and Apps is the person we're supposed to be sympathetic to, who do they think is going to buy that?

01:10:16.000 Like, who in the country is going to go, oh man, because everyone on the right is going to say either A, this guy's a fed, or B, He's somebody who got away with it when he shouldn't have, when you look at people rotting in prison over far lesser wrongdoing.

01:10:29.000 And what the left is gonna say is, this guy's an insurrectionist!

01:10:32.000 Who do they think this is appealing to?

01:10:34.000 Who's gonna shed tears over this guy?

01:10:36.000 Yeah, right, like, Detector Carlson accused him of inciting violence at the Capitol, and now he's gonna get charged for it, and Rolling Stone's defending him.

01:10:44.000 That's amazing.

01:10:46.000 Well, that's why you know something's up.

01:10:47.000 What is this?

01:10:48.000 That's why you know something's up with this guy.

01:10:50.000 Why would one of the insurrectionists be defended by Rolling Stone?

01:10:58.000 By basically everyone in the media?

01:10:59.000 Everyone in the media who hates Stephen Carlson?

01:11:00.000 Everyone who's acknowledged him?

01:11:02.000 Fact checkers have come to his defense and said he did nothing wrong?

01:11:05.000 Come on! 0.61

01:11:06.000 Yeah, they love that guy.

01:11:07.000 He's on video saying stuff, I believe.

01:11:08.000 Is that correct?

01:11:08.000 Yeah, he's on video saying stuff.

01:11:29.000 Yeah, he Yes, he was inciting and then lo and behold, the next day

01:11:33.000 they all do the thing he said that they should do the night before, right after he whispers

01:11:37.000 into somebody's ear and that person breaks down one of the barriers.

01:11:41.000 And it is July of 2023 and we're just getting word that this guy might be charged and it's

01:11:46.000 because of Tucker Carlson.

01:11:49.000 Are you kidding me?

01:11:50.000 Are you kidding me?

01:11:52.000 They announced that they were going to charge him in May, but I haven't heard anything about it until today, which is two and a half months later.

01:12:01.000 Tucker is a national treasure.

01:12:05.000 I deeply respect this man.

01:12:07.000 He stopped an insurrectionist, Tim!

01:12:08.000 He brought an insurrectionist to justice!

01:12:09.000 He provided evidence.

01:12:11.000 About Jake Chansley, I believe his name, right?

01:12:14.000 Jacob Chansley, dude, yeah.

01:12:16.000 Showing him walking through the halls with a police escort and them even trying to open doors for him.

01:12:20.000 And he also exposed Right Apps as one of the people inciting the violence and tearing down the barricades, telling people to go inside.

01:12:29.000 The thing about this whole January 6th thing is you'll find most people, even Donald Trump himself says there were bad people there, they should be charged, but some of them, many of them weren't.

01:12:38.000 I think everybody agrees the violence, the fighting was bad.

01:12:40.000 Even Trump posted on January 6th, our side believes in law enforcement.

01:12:45.000 The media tried lying about all of it, trying to claim that he was egging people on to go there for violence.

01:12:52.000 Tucker Carlson exposes the lies and the manipulations.

01:12:56.000 While also criticizing someone who actually incited violence.

01:13:00.000 That is the balanced, honest, and moderate approach to what happened.

01:13:03.000 We don't like the violence on January 6th.

01:13:05.000 We don't like the innocent people being charged.

01:13:07.000 Tucker is effectively calling it out.

01:13:09.000 So effective, it seems, Epps is actually finally getting charged for being a principal actor and inciting the violence that day.

01:13:15.000 This is crazy!

01:13:16.000 Remember, when Trump said go over there and march peacefully, he was actually sending out a top secret right

01:13:23.000 wing doggle.

01:13:23.000 So I don't know if you know this, but every conservative in the country, every right winger actually has a chip in our

01:13:28.000 brain.

01:13:29.000 And when right wing pundits say things that sound totally innocuous, they're actually right wing pundits.

01:13:33.000 They're actually telling us to do something evil.

01:13:35.000 So Trump activated that magic power, and he said, go over there peacefully and have your voice heard.

01:13:40.000 And of course, what he was really saying is, you know, like, enter the building and commit acts of violence.

01:13:44.000 Now, Ray Epps, on the other hand, when he was saying, enter the Capitol, what he was actually dog-whistling was, be peaceful and have your voice heard.

01:13:53.000 It's a song.

01:13:53.000 Everyone's getting it backwards.

01:13:54.000 If you don't know Trump-ish and Epp-ish, you wouldn't know.

01:13:56.000 It's a song about computer programming.

01:13:58.000 Enter the Capitol just meant, like, press shift.

01:14:01.000 And it was Miskins, Drew.

01:14:02.000 He says, we gotta enter the cap- No!

01:14:04.000 You misunderstand.

01:14:06.000 It's a song about computer programming.

01:14:08.000 It was just like Rock the Kazbah for computer nerds.

01:14:10.000 That's what that smash hit.

01:14:13.000 You know, it was all big misunderstanding and now he's going to jail.

01:14:15.000 He's going to jail because of Tucker Carlson and his fake news.

01:14:18.000 I mean, seriously, these people- hold on a second.

01:14:20.000 Does anyone in the media think that Tucker Carlson has any influence over who's charged?

01:14:25.000 The only reason he has any say on this or that he's related to this is because he showed actual footage of what the guy was doing to the American people to the point where the media couldn't ignore it.

01:14:33.000 Tucker Carlson can't just fabricate charges against the person and then have that person go to jail. 0.90

01:14:38.000 It's ridiculous. 0.93

01:14:39.000 What world are they living in? 0.98

01:14:41.000 What world do these people live in where Tucker Carlson can falsely accuse you of a crime and you go to jail?

01:14:47.000 A world where they falsely accuse people of crimes and send them to jail.

01:14:50.000 And they go to jail, but they should know that Tucker doesn't have that ability.

01:14:53.000 Wouldn't it be great if he did, though, if he had that kind of power?

01:14:55.000 I want Tucker in power.

01:14:56.000 I don't like you, and I'm going to have you sent to prison, actually.

01:15:00.000 Team Tucker.

01:15:02.000 No, all I can do is say, actually.

01:15:04.000 Seamus is the one who can actually do his voice.

01:15:06.000 Actually.

01:15:06.000 I don't think anybody should have the evidence about you on my television program.

01:15:09.000 I just interviewed Andrew Tate.

01:15:10.000 Did you guys see it?

01:15:12.000 I did not see that.

01:15:13.000 It was okay.

01:15:14.000 I didn't watch the whole thing.

01:15:15.000 You went to Romania, is that right?

01:15:16.000 Yeah.

01:15:17.000 I mean, you have to, I guess.

01:15:18.000 I watched a decent amount of it, and I think it's really great for people who aren't familiar

01:15:21.000 with Andrew Tate.

01:15:23.000 But for anybody who's watched or listened to Andrew Tate, you're like, it's his thing,

01:15:27.000 it's his spiel, it's the advice he gives.

01:15:28.000 Tucker didn't give too much of himself in the interview, it's mostly just Tate.

01:15:32.000 I've only seen clips of him.

01:15:33.000 I only saw, like, the first ten minutes, but, you know, regardless of who it is that he's interviewing, I just love how many views his videos, you know, this show of his is getting on Twitter.

01:15:44.000 Because, I mean, every day more and more you just continue to see that legacy media is irrelevant and is dying, and everybody should celebrate that.

01:15:54.000 Dude, his Twitter picture is like him in a leather jacket, too.

01:15:57.000 It's like chillin'.

01:15:58.000 Can we talk about corporate media?

01:16:01.000 I know, I love that new picture.

01:16:02.000 Here, check this story out from Daily Mail.

01:16:03.000 MSNBC's Micah Brzezinski blames 80-year-old Biden's staff for making him look old, argues his aides should be making sure he doesn't fall over and should be controlling his schedule.

01:16:14.000 Oh my god.

01:16:16.000 Who watches these people and thinks they're like smart critical thinkers?

01:16:19.000 I think that's actually a really good point.

01:16:21.000 They're hurting their own argument.

01:16:23.000 I don't know.

01:16:24.000 The people who follow it are like, tell me where to stand and how high to jump.

01:16:29.000 It's a somewhat salient point.

01:16:30.000 Mika's saying like, you know, we've done stage performances.

01:16:33.000 You don't necessarily know where all the pitfalls are on the stage when you're done.

01:16:36.000 Hopefully someone's going to point Not to the exit for you, otherwise you're looking around like, where's the exit?

01:16:41.000 I just got here.

01:16:42.000 And she's saying that the handlers should, like, let him know ahead of time, you're gonna be walking off over here, there should be people waving him, things like that.

01:16:48.000 But at the same time, she's also kind of admitting that he's 80 and frail, like, mentally not stable.

01:16:52.000 Because, like, realistically, you look around really quick, you're the president.

01:16:56.000 You can do whatever you want.

01:16:57.000 You can laugh and joke with people as you're looking around.

01:16:59.000 You can make a display of it.

01:17:00.000 But the guy's so old, and it looks like even, like, his musculature is having a hard time holding his bones up sometimes.

01:17:06.000 I like how... That's true.

01:17:08.000 The fact that you could blame this man's staff for the fact that he looks old is remarkable to me.

01:17:14.000 That's one I didn't think I'd hear.

01:17:15.000 That, you know, the speech impediment one was wild enough, when he said poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids, or, you know, when he said 200-abit of pressure, or bad calf care... I agree with bad calf care. 0.97

01:17:26.000 Or nexolescent.

01:17:27.000 And they're like, well, that's just, that's like a speech impediment.

01:17:29.000 It's like, what kind of speech impediment makes you say that?

01:17:32.000 It's not a speech impediment.

01:17:34.000 The dementia one?

01:17:35.000 No, it's called Biden-phagy.

01:17:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:17:39.000 It's some weird disease that's unique to him, I guess.

01:17:43.000 Let's jump to the story from Deadline.

01:17:44.000 I want to make sure we get this one in before we go to Superchats.

01:17:48.000 Ladies and gentlemen, from Deadline, Jim Caviezel thriller Sound of Freedom knocks insidious Red Door from number one spot.

01:17:54.000 They can't just write it, can they?

01:17:57.000 Write the headline, Sound of Freedom, box office, number one.

01:18:03.000 Just write that.

01:18:04.000 They had to write it in such a way that they don't say it.

01:18:07.000 Even in the article, they don't explicitly say it.

01:18:09.000 They just say like, it hit four million dollars, and then Red Door was 3.5, so knock down from, just say Sound of Freedom is number one.

01:18:16.000 Ladies and gentlemen, with your viewing of the film, your support, this film about child trafficking is number one.

01:18:25.000 The reason why I'm so excited for it, Parallel Economy.

01:18:28.000 Obviously, it's a good movie.

01:18:29.000 You should see it.

01:18:30.000 Obviously, child trafficking is bad.

01:18:31.000 But there are a lot of movies about a lot of issues that we watch.

01:18:34.000 Okay.

01:18:35.000 This is about indie films shifting the cultural narrative onto issues that we need to talk about.

01:18:41.000 Problems that need to be stopped.

01:18:43.000 That, for a long time, they claimed weren't really happening in the weirdest of ways.

01:18:47.000 The Epstein stuff, they said, oh, that's nonsense.

01:18:49.000 And then he got arrested for it.

01:18:50.000 And then Maxwell got convicted for it.

01:18:53.000 And then Prince Andrew got ostracized and shunned for his involvement.

01:18:57.000 And there's a lot of people on that client list we want to know about.

01:19:00.000 Now this movie comes out.

01:19:01.000 After five years, they try and shut it down.

01:19:03.000 And this is what you can see.

01:19:05.000 A film about an important issue, number one.

01:19:07.000 It's a good film.

01:19:08.000 It's got a 100% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.

01:19:10.000 Even the critics like it overwhelmingly.

01:19:11.000 It's like 80%.

01:19:12.000 That's true.

01:19:13.000 The majority of critics enjoy it.

01:19:14.000 Yep.

01:19:14.000 As much as they want to rag on it and say it's a QAnon film, the majority of critics are like, it's a good movie. 80%.

01:19:20.000 And now that it's number one, let's keep supporting films like this so that we can have alternatives to Hollywood and the creepy grooming stuff that they try and do in these films and the weird woke ideology.

01:19:30.000 This is that path forward.

01:19:30.000 You know, part of what makes this movie so great, I saw it last night, is Jim Caviezel is really feeling this stuff.

01:19:37.000 I mean, you can see it in his eyes.

01:19:38.000 There's just, it's enough of his eyes, like you are with him.

01:19:42.000 You're in his mind space and it is so powerful.

01:19:46.000 I don't know what he went through to get into this place where he's at right now, but God bless Jim Caviezel.

01:19:51.000 That man is amazing.

01:19:52.000 Yeah, he's a good actor.

01:19:53.000 I mean, he was in The Passion, right?

01:19:54.000 Remember that?

01:19:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:56.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:19:56.000 He hasn't really done anything major, I feel like, since then.

01:19:59.000 Like, he's kind of... he just comes back for... Well, this was five years ago.

01:20:02.000 Well, there's a reason.

01:20:03.000 So there's a famous story about how he was... Oh, right, they did make this a while ago, yeah.

01:20:05.000 There's a famous story about how he was cast in The Passion.

01:20:08.000 Mel Gibson called him and said, hey, do you want to destroy your career?

01:20:12.000 Alright, let's do it.

01:20:13.000 Did you see that?

01:20:14.000 The Passion?

01:20:15.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:20:15.000 We watched it recently, actually.

01:20:16.000 Yeah, we actually re-watched it.

01:20:17.000 Yeah, we watched it together.

01:20:18.000 Beautiful film.

01:20:19.000 There's a lot I learned about, in terms of the politics of the era that I didn't know, which I thought was interesting.

01:20:24.000 In terms of this film, it was made five years ago, so when you mention, like, he hasn't been doing stuff, he actually was!

01:20:29.000 He was doing this!

01:20:31.000 And then they blocked the film.

01:20:33.000 Now, let me ask you guys, why would Hollywood not run a film like this.

01:20:37.000 I can't imagine a possible incentive they would have to not want people to care about the issues of child trafficking and other related problems.

01:20:45.000 You know, their response to it just, I mean, they just tell on themselves.

01:20:50.000 It's like, why are you doing this?

01:20:51.000 At least fake it, you know?

01:20:53.000 Like, I don't know, they're kind of, it puts them in a catch-22.

01:20:56.000 Like, they can't support it because they don't want it exposed, but if they, you know, come out against it like they have been, it makes them look sus as There's that viral tweet where it's a guy who was like a writer at one of these digital outlets was claiming, he tweeted something like, the only reason conservatives keep complaining about kids being shown graphic material is because they secretly want to show kids graphic material.

01:21:17.000 What?

01:21:18.000 And then it was like, it's one of those like defiant L's or whatever, where it's like the next one is writer named so

01:21:23.000 and so gets arrested for soliciting images or something like that.

01:21:26.000 This is, alright, this is, it's one of the only jokes the left has is, you're against this thing, I bet you secretly

01:21:34.000 want to do that thing, right?

01:21:36.000 That's why your video was so good.

01:21:38.000 Thank you, we just released one yesterday.

01:21:40.000 I gotta watch that one. 0.99

01:21:42.000 But if you like believe in traditional marriage, like up, you're secretly gay. 0.99

01:21:43.000 That's the only explanation. 0.73

01:21:45.000 If you're, like, I want, uh, literally with every single issue, uh, if you're against grooming, oh, well, actually, like, you secretly want to groom.

01:21:53.000 Right.

01:21:53.000 Um, I'm not kidding.

01:21:55.000 I think I've heard a version of this about literally every topic.

01:21:58.000 It's true.

01:21:58.000 We get that all the time on Gays Against Groomers.

01:22:00.000 Yeah, you're like secret groomers.

01:22:02.000 Of course, that's the only reason that you'd oppose this.

01:22:04.000 I think, what's that line, thou's protest too much?

01:22:06.000 I think thou's protest too much.

01:22:07.000 Is that Shakespeare?

01:22:08.000 Yes.

01:22:09.000 Methinks thou's protest too much.

01:22:11.000 And there is something to that.

01:22:12.000 What is it, the lady?

01:22:12.000 That someone's constantly talking about how something is evil.

01:22:16.000 Maybe then they are the one that's perpetrating it and they want everyone to think they're not.

01:22:20.000 I understand that methodology, but that doesn't mean that if you claim something is evil or wrong that you secretly want to do it.

01:22:26.000 The lady doth protest too much, methinks. 1.00

01:22:28.000 We live in a culture where so many horrible, degenerate things have been normalized, so it makes sense that people would pay attention to that and want to fix that, but whenever you do, it's, well, that's kind of interesting that you pay so much attention to that.

01:22:40.000 It's like, what, one of the number one culture war issues in the country right now?

01:22:43.000 You think it's weird that I paid attention to that?

01:22:45.000 How dare we care about children being abused sexually and otherwise? 0.99

01:22:49.000 You freak! 0.99

01:22:50.000 This line is fantastic.

01:22:51.000 It's basically accusing someone of virtue signaling.

01:22:54.000 Uh, it is Queen Gertrude, in response to insincere overacting of a character, uh, to prove his uncle's guilt, blah blah blah, the lady doth protest too much, methinks. 0.93

01:23:03.000 I'm just gonna say that to people now who are virtue signaling.

01:23:05.000 That's a great play.

01:23:06.000 If you haven't seen Hamlet before, see it.

01:23:08.000 See a good version of it.

01:23:09.000 A good movie.

01:23:09.000 I've seen, uh, Billy Madison, you know, hold the skull.

01:23:13.000 That's all I've ever seen of it.

01:23:14.000 To be or not to be.

01:23:16.000 In the play, they do a play.

01:23:17.000 So they're watching actors in the play do this faux scene about the murder of, I think it's about the murder of Hamlet's father.

01:23:26.000 And then the mother's like, something's off about this.

01:23:28.000 And she doesn't know that her husband murdered her old husband. 0.82

01:23:34.000 So her new husband, I could explain this way better.

01:23:36.000 I don't want to spoil it.

01:23:37.000 That's why I'm kind of scamping around.

01:23:38.000 No, you're fine.

01:23:39.000 But yeah, for the audience.

01:23:40.000 It's a 500-year-old play.

01:23:41.000 Um, so Hamlet's mother's, uh, and his father was killed in the beginning of the play.

01:23:46.000 So then his uncle comes in and marries his mother and turns out his uncle killed his father.

01:23:51.000 Um, but his mother doesn't know that.

01:23:53.000 And she's looking at the play like something's off about, and they're trying to, it's a great, absolutely phenomenal story.

01:23:59.000 I'm going to have to go check that out.

01:24:00.000 I hope I got all that right.

01:24:01.000 I was in it.

01:24:02.000 I played Laertes.

01:24:03.000 The current numbers for Sound of Freedom from Box Office Mojo, $49,497,837.

01:24:07.000 So, that's fantastic.

01:24:12.000 It is Wednesday.

01:24:13.000 If every single person watching this goes and sees it, what is that?

01:24:17.000 That's not gonna, that's not enough, that's not enough.

01:24:19.000 We need every single person watching this to bring their friends and family to go see it, so that this film can crack $100 million.

01:24:25.000 Let's do it.

01:24:25.000 Look, I'm willing to see it again.

01:24:27.000 I also think that if you can, it's good to contribute to the free ticket funds that they have for people who can't afford to go see the movie but would like to.

01:24:36.000 Have you heard about there's a bunch of videos being shared on social media of people being kicked out of the theaters and getting refunded?

01:24:43.000 No, I haven't seen that at all.

01:24:45.000 Because there's too many people there?

01:24:46.000 No, no, no.

01:24:47.000 For no reason.

01:24:48.000 Newsweek actually, I think Newsweek reported this.

01:24:50.000 Let me see if I can... They just don't, they're trying to prevent people from seeing it.

01:24:53.000 No idea.

01:24:53.000 I was going to say, Seamus, would you go together if you want to?

01:24:56.000 Here you go, check this out.

01:24:57.000 Newsweek, right here.

01:24:58.000 Sound them down.

01:24:59.000 Freedom viewers forced to evacuate movie theater video shows.

01:25:02.000 What?

01:25:02.000 So the report actually brings up that there's several different videos where people in various theaters are told for some reason they gotta evacuate the theater and they're given a refund and no explanation why.

01:25:11.000 There's like Mr. Smith's all over the place trying to get people, you know, from the Matrix trying to get people to not see it.

01:25:16.000 They're just like, oh no, there's a fire, you have to leave.

01:25:20.000 Horrifically awesome movie, man.

01:25:24.000 It's a tough watch, right?

01:25:25.000 I mean, it is.

01:25:26.000 There are parts that are very painful.

01:25:29.000 I'm not sure how much I can say without spoiling it, but it... It almost, um... What's good about it is...

01:25:37.000 At the end, you do feel motivated to want to do something, because I don't think, like, just given the nature of the problem, it's not a story that they can just tie in a neat little bow.

01:25:46.000 You get that with Hollywood films a lot.

01:25:47.000 The problem's solved, everything's fine, and it gives the audience a sense of satisfaction.

01:25:51.000 It's a movie that you watch, and it's impactful, and it's more than a worthwhile watch, but you walk out of the theater feeling like there's so much that needs to be done.

01:25:59.000 It doesn't just spoon-feed you a victory like so many films do.

01:26:02.000 Like an archaeology dig where you find some of the artifact, but you haven't, you've just seen the tip.

01:26:08.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:26:09.000 You see a little bit of it.

01:26:11.000 And there are, like, there are incredible true stories that are told through that film about people who were rescued, and obviously seeing anyone rescued is a wonderful thing to see, but the film doesn't shy away from letting you know that the problem's far from solved, right?

01:26:23.000 Like, the day has not been totally saved.

01:26:26.000 There's work you have to do.

01:26:28.000 There's more children being trafficked today than when slavery was legal.

01:26:31.000 It's insane.

01:26:32.000 There's more slaves today. 0.97

01:26:33.000 There's more slaves in the world overall.

01:26:35.000 Yep.

01:26:36.000 Something, what, 80 million slaves in the world?

01:26:39.000 I think it is true that there are more child sex slaves today than there were slaves back when slavery was legal.

01:26:44.000 Oh, sorry.

01:26:45.000 It looks like about 50 million slaves in the world.

01:26:48.000 Today?

01:26:49.000 Yeah, 50 million people in the world living in slavery as of 2022.

01:26:52.000 How do you even begin to tackle that?

01:26:54.000 I mean, I guess you do what they did and what Tim Ballard did.

01:26:57.000 Well, in the movie they bring this up, like a lot of this stuff is happening outside the U.S.

01:27:00.000 We have no control.

01:27:01.000 Like, it's just not here.

01:27:04.000 You know?

01:27:05.000 So that's what Tim Ballard does.

01:27:06.000 He goes and he... Yeah, that guy is unreal.

01:27:10.000 I mean... I think he's here tomorrow, actually.

01:27:12.000 Oh my god, that's fantastic.

01:27:14.000 I wish I was here to just shake his hand, honestly.

01:27:17.000 Say hello.

01:27:17.000 Bless him.

01:27:19.000 It's really... Normally, we don't announce guests in advance.

01:27:23.000 It was like tears of hope.

01:27:26.000 It's like you feel rage, you feel sorrow, you feel hope.

01:27:29.000 The film, it takes you on a roller coaster, but the film, it's not just like it's this emotional experience that you'll get from films sometimes where it's totally aimless and they're just manipulating you.

01:27:39.000 It's giving you a real story.

01:27:40.000 It's telling you about a real problem.

01:27:42.000 It's giving you solutions.

01:27:43.000 That's so great.

01:27:43.000 Valor will be on Tim Guest.

01:27:44.000 My goodness.

01:27:45.000 With Eduardo Verastegui.

01:27:48.000 Oh, he's the director of the film.

01:27:50.000 Correct.

01:27:50.000 Very excited for that.

01:27:52.000 That is huge.

01:27:53.000 Gonna be great!

01:27:54.000 Maybe I'll push my flight back.

01:27:56.000 I just want to shake his hand.

01:27:57.000 I know, I want to shake his hand, too.

01:27:58.000 I just want to say thank you.

01:27:59.000 God bless him.

01:28:00.000 His wife, too.

01:28:01.000 I hope his wife's here with him.

01:28:02.000 I don't know if she's going to take the trip.

01:28:03.000 They have a lot of kids.

01:28:04.000 Yeah, his wife is an incredible woman. 0.96

01:28:07.000 I was reading some of the differences between the film and his real story, and I'll let him share on air what he wants to share, what he's here, because it'll be more impactful for him.

01:28:15.000 But some of what his wife said was like, just her involvement and support is incredible.

01:28:21.000 Incredible like what a sacrifice for a wife to make yeah, but oh jeez well. 0.99

01:28:26.000 We'll go into it tomorrow This dude's like I know we got a bunch of kids, but I'm gonna save a whole bunch of other people's kids And she's like okay.

01:28:33.000 Yeah, do it.

01:28:34.000 It's crazy.

01:28:35.000 It's it's it's incredible that was when I first cried is when I I don't want to- I don't think it's spoiling it, but when she- It's too soon.

01:28:42.000 It's too soon.

01:28:43.000 You gotta let them see it.

01:28:44.000 You gotta let them see it.

01:28:45.000 You people, everyone, really go see this movie.

01:28:47.000 Yeah, I haven't seen it yet.

01:28:48.000 I haven't seen it.

01:28:49.000 You want to be a part of it.

01:28:50.000 Like, this is not a film you want to watch on streaming in a couple months.

01:28:53.000 It really is not.

01:28:54.000 You want to see this in the theater with fellow audience members.

01:28:58.000 How did it even get in the theaters, though?

01:28:59.000 That's a good question.

01:29:00.000 It's more impactful.

01:29:01.000 I'm really confused about that.

01:29:03.000 Yeah, because it was pushed around and rebuffed for five years.

01:29:06.000 Like, it's actually shocking that it's not just in, you know, they have like indie theaters in cities.

01:29:10.000 Like, it's weird to me that, yeah, I don't know.

01:29:13.000 Thank goodness.

01:29:14.000 No, it's great, but how did that happen?

01:29:18.000 Ah, a lot of hard work, prayer, and providence.

01:29:21.000 And I'll also mention this, like, just to reaffirm what I'm saying here and help hit this point home, like, you don't want to be watching this at your house, checking your phone, there's distractions everywhere, like, go see this film in theaters, support it as much as you possibly can while it's still out.

01:29:38.000 I mean, I really, really, really want to recommend everybody go see this.

01:29:42.000 Yeah.

01:29:43.000 We gotta call it the Sound of Freedom Effect.

01:29:45.000 When, like, we can prove that the issues we care about, we will stop spending money on garbage and we will start spending money on good stuff.

01:29:55.000 We'll download apps like Public Square, and we're gonna tell the old guard and the machine we don't need them anymore.

01:30:01.000 So a film like this succeeding does two things.

01:30:04.000 It makes child trafficking the forefront of major issues that we need to address, and we should.

01:30:08.000 Which, of course, the establishment for some reason is very worried about.

01:30:11.000 Yep.

01:30:11.000 And it supports independent studios who are getting major films in theaters.

01:30:16.000 But I just want to say outright, the first ten minutes of this movie, man...

01:30:20.000 don't give anything away.

01:30:22.000 The whole film is brutal but incredibly captivating.

01:30:25.000 And I'll say this.

01:30:27.000 For every dollar that you didn't spend on Bud Light, you should contribute that to the pay it forward fund for

01:30:35.000 this film.

01:30:35.000 Think about it. How long have you been boycotting Bud Light?

01:30:38.000 How long have you refused to drink it for?

01:30:40.000 How much do you usually spend on Bud Light in that time period?

01:30:43.000 If you can afford to, I would take all of that money and I would...

01:30:47.000 And get drunk on the sound of freedom!

01:30:49.000 Amen!

01:30:52.000 Get drunk on the sound of freedom.

01:30:53.000 Go watch the sound of freedom.

01:30:54.000 Pay it forward.

01:30:54.000 There's a pay it forward option for people who can't see it.

01:30:57.000 Use it.

01:30:57.000 Literally, recommend it.

01:30:58.000 Recommend it to people.

01:30:59.000 Go see this.

01:31:00.000 Keep your church group together to go see it.

01:31:02.000 They'll pop up a barcode at the end of the movie after the credits where you can scan it with your cell phone to pay it forward for someone else or to find free tickets if you know someone that can't afford it.

01:31:12.000 They tell you to do it.

01:31:13.000 Yeah.

01:31:13.000 They're like, it sounds weird, but pull out your phone right now.

01:31:15.000 If you have like an adult's group or young adult's group or something at your church, I'm sure most, I'm sure a lot of churches are already doing this, but this is something that you should plan.

01:31:23.000 Y'all should support this.

01:31:24.000 Y'all should support this film.

01:31:25.000 I can feel like my temperature go up in goosebumps when I think about the like little kids, like young kids.

01:31:29.000 I know.

01:31:29.000 Wow.

01:31:34.000 Well, let's go to Super Chats!

01:31:35.000 If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, and become a member over at TimCast.com by clicking join us.

01:31:42.000 We're gonna have a members-only, uncensored show coming up for you tonight, and it will be a lot of good fun.

01:31:47.000 We'll talk about some, uh, some, uh, you know, spicy issues.

01:31:50.000 Before we get into that, can I just talk very briefly about Gays Against Girls? 1.00

01:31:54.000 Yeah, what's going on?

01:31:55.000 I just want to say, if you guys want to learn more, we are also in the business of saving kids from the radical alphabet ideology that is destroying the youth right now, that is telling them that they are sexual beings.

01:32:07.000 And that they are born in the wrong body.

01:32:09.000 And the work we're doing is really important.

01:32:11.000 All of us are from, you know, we're all LGB or T, primarily gays and lesbians.

01:32:17.000 And if you want to learn more or help us out in our fight, just go to gaysagainstrumors.com.

01:32:21.000 And I'd be remiss if I didn't squeeze that in there.

01:32:25.000 That's why I'm here.

01:32:25.000 First time I've ever heard someone say that they're attempting to make children sexual beings.

01:32:30.000 They are.

01:32:30.000 They're trying to sexually liberate children.

01:32:33.000 and give them bodily autonomy.

01:32:34.000 I mean, if a child can consent to sterilizing themselves or chopping body parts off, what can't they consent to?

01:32:42.000 It's like the most extreme thing ever, you know, and the line from A to B there is very, very short.

01:32:50.000 All right, let's grab some Super Chats!

01:32:52.000 I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, it's interesting the latest season of Jack Ryan has U.S.

01:32:56.000 intel agencies being revealed to have been weaponized by Far East powers to do their bidding.

01:33:03.000 Really?

01:33:05.000 Not far left powers?

01:33:07.000 Jay Marie says, Ian, I love your spirit, bro.

01:33:09.000 I have a special way of explaining philosophy, religion, politics, etc.

01:33:12.000 in a matter that's very digestible.

01:33:14.000 I think you would enjoy Please Swing By, Jay Marie thesis podcast.

01:33:18.000 Nice.

01:33:19.000 Ian literally does have the best spirit energy.

01:33:22.000 It's a conglomeration of a lot of spirit.

01:33:24.000 I can feel it from here, like for real.

01:33:26.000 Excellent.

01:33:26.000 I love it.

01:33:27.000 Mike Kelton says, I finally received my order from you guys, but strangely, it only contains a bunch of spoons and potatoes.

01:33:33.000 And I'm talking a lot of spoons, man. 0.86

01:33:36.000 Wow.

01:33:36.000 So look at that.

01:33:37.000 Tim blames me for taking his spoons and they show up in somebody's order.

01:33:41.000 We gotta cover Spoon Man.

01:33:42.000 Interesting.

01:33:43.000 And do a video with Seamus as the Spoon Man.

01:33:45.000 It worked out.

01:33:45.000 Why are you putting this on me?

01:33:46.000 Why is everybody putting this on me?

01:33:48.000 I didn't do anything!

01:33:50.000 It actually works out really well because I have to make the joke that crazy people accuse me of stealing their spoons and putting them on the moon.

01:33:57.000 Like, I talk about, like, I'm not worried about saying people.

01:34:00.000 People can have arguments and, like, people don't like me.

01:34:03.000 The worst thing that's ever happened in that regard is, like, I'm walking down the street in New York and someone's like, F you, Tim Pool, and I'm like, oh, hey.

01:34:08.000 What worries me is crazy people who are, like, ranting and scratching the walls and they're like, he stole my spoons, man.

01:34:13.000 Yeah, so part of why Tim... I get it.

01:34:17.000 It was a test.

01:34:18.000 Tim said before you host Timcast for a week you have to know what it's like to have a lunatic accuse you of stealing their spoons.

01:34:25.000 But in all honesty, you were taking his spoons downstairs and keeping them. 0.96

01:34:30.000 This is a ridiculous accusation. 0.99

01:34:33.000 No, it's a ridiculous accusation. 1.00

01:34:36.000 Where are you coming up with this? 0.99

01:34:37.000 This is conjecture.

01:34:39.000 You're acknowledging this is conjecture?

01:34:40.000 That's all I needed to hear.

01:34:41.000 Thank you.

01:34:42.000 That's all the audience needed.

01:34:42.000 I want to tell everybody the real story.

01:34:44.000 No, it's nonsense.

01:34:47.000 Allison's doing the dishes and she's like, uh, do you know where the spoons went?

01:34:49.000 I was like, oh, Seamus might have them.

01:34:50.000 Hey Seamus, do you have some spoons?

01:34:51.000 He was like, oh yeah, and he walked up and he put the spoons in the sink.

01:34:54.000 And then Seamus goes, there's an Irish man living under my house who steals my spoons! 1.00

01:34:58.000 How many spoons was it?

01:34:59.000 There was, it's not, the whole story's made up, so I have no idea how many spoons there were.

01:35:02.000 Look, I'm not the kind of person who would do that!

01:35:04.000 I'm not the, you guys, listen, you know me!

01:35:07.000 You know me!

01:35:08.000 I wouldn't do that!

01:35:10.000 I'm not the kind of person who would do that!

01:35:12.000 Let's read more Super Chats. 0.87

01:35:14.000 Heron Gaming News says my girlfriend and I watched The Sound of Freedom.

01:35:17.000 My girlfriend couldn't stomach it because of her history of being abused as a child. 1.00

01:35:21.000 Unlike what the left always says about LGBTQ representation in movies, this one will help save lives and innocents.

01:35:27.000 I wonder if she finished the movie.

01:35:29.000 I hope she finished the movie.

01:35:30.000 I understand that.

01:35:31.000 Well, I said this I think yesterday or the day before while I was talking about this, but it's very possible that this is going to be a film some people can't get through.

01:35:39.000 Absolutely.

01:35:40.000 However, if you go to see it and you have to get up and walk out of the theater, there's a conversation I was having with my parents.

01:35:46.000 My mom said, I want to see it, but I'm worried that, you know, it's going to be too hard for me to watch.

01:35:50.000 And what I said is, Go see it, and if you really need to get up and leave the theater, because it's too hardcore for you, it's too difficult to watch, which it very well might be, you will know that your money funded a good cause and helped spread awareness.

01:36:05.000 And it's not wasted, because it's not like you're going to see a movie and that it isn't good, so you walk out of it and the money is poorly spent.

01:36:12.000 This is an important movie that's raising awareness, even if you can't sit through the whole thing, it's worth buying a ticket and going to see it.

01:36:19.000 All right.

01:36:20.000 MonkInTraining says, Tim, working all the time the way you are is unhealthy, and your grandpa died because he worked himself to death.

01:36:26.000 It's a marathon, not a race.

01:36:27.000 I don't think my grandpa worked himself to death.

01:36:29.000 That was like really personal, really fast about something they couldn't possibly know.

01:36:33.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're completely wrong.

01:36:36.000 My grandpa fell off a telephone pole, smashed his vertebrae, and had to spend the last 20 years of his life in a bed.

01:36:41.000 That's how I knew he was bedridden.

01:36:43.000 Yeah, Blaine.

01:36:45.000 Shout out to Blaine.

01:36:46.000 What's up, dude?

01:36:46.000 One of my grandfathers is still alive.

01:36:48.000 The other, uh, got sick.

01:36:50.000 He got sick.

01:36:51.000 It was a sad story, but... Yeah, sorry to hear it.

01:36:53.000 He didn't work himself to death.

01:36:54.000 In fact, I think the work was good for him.

01:36:58.000 I don't completely disagree, however.

01:37:01.000 I do work quite a whole bit.

01:37:02.000 However, I have no choice but to take a week off, so I'm kind of like, well, I guess, you know, I'm not going to cry about it.

01:37:09.000 I want to do movies with you, as you as the actor.

01:37:12.000 Oh, I don't want to do that.

01:37:13.000 Yeah, I know, but when you do it, like any good- I mean, you're great at it anyway, but it would be, I don't know, maybe just a change of direction for a little while?

01:37:20.000 Like a good feature?

01:37:21.000 We're gonna keep doing this.

01:37:23.000 Oh, we gotta keep doing this.

01:37:24.000 Next week I'm going to a doctor who's going to be, like, injecting my leg with things and, like, the camera and they gotta fix cartilage and stuff.

01:37:32.000 We'll do, uh, if you guys would like to see Tim starring in a movie, put one on the show.

01:37:37.000 That's hilarious.

01:37:37.000 But like a day, we'll shoot during the day, we'll do IRL at night.

01:37:40.000 Sam is evil.

01:37:40.000 Wait, what are you talking about?

01:37:42.000 What?

01:37:43.000 Did you, did you not mute my, I didn't say anything.

01:37:46.000 Alright, let's uh, here we go, here we go.

01:37:47.000 I wouldn't do something like that.

01:37:48.000 Just Leave Me Alone says, they've extended Sound of Freedom for another week in our theater.

01:37:53.000 We're going to see it for the second time Saturday.

01:37:55.000 Bought t-shirts too.

01:37:55.000 That's fantastic.

01:37:57.000 We just want, you know, when the Daily Wire started making movies, I was like, everybody should watch these movies.

01:38:01.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:38:02.000 We need to encourage studios outside of the creepy, woke Hollywood garbage. 0.98

01:38:06.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:38:06.000 I totally agree. 0.98

01:38:07.000 This is it.

01:38:07.000 I just, my one hope for the Daily Wire is that they don't start, like, putting Knowles in their films because... Michael Knowles.

01:38:14.000 Yeah, he's an actor of sorts and... Smokey Mike.

01:38:17.000 Yeah, yeah, I just... Yeah, that would be a real tragedy if Michael Knowles started starring in awesome hit movies.

01:38:22.000 To be honest, I'm a hypocrite because I've used him in cartoons and he's done wonderful voice acting for me.

01:38:28.000 I would like to see even Daily Wire buy Sound of Freedom once it's cycling out of the theaters and put it on the Daily Wire.

01:38:33.000 People will subscribe.

01:38:36.000 We got a Dreadnaughts upset.

01:38:37.000 He says, Trump running from the basement.

01:38:38.000 Are you serious?

01:38:39.000 The man fills stadiums doing rallies.

01:38:41.000 DeSantis is a neocon shill.

01:38:43.000 Trump hasn't filled a stadium since 2020.

01:38:47.000 Well, and my point was not engaging in debate.

01:38:51.000 So Tucker is doing this forum, and Trump's not going to do it, and Trump doesn't want to debate.

01:38:54.000 That's specifically what I was referring to.

01:38:57.000 Trump being like, I don't need to, I'm not gonna.

01:38:59.000 Yeah.

01:39:00.000 You know, I think he shouldn't.

01:39:01.000 I think he should.

01:39:02.000 Not just that one, but the one in August as well.

01:39:05.000 You know, it's actually in Milwaukee where I live.

01:39:07.000 I really want to go.

01:39:08.000 If there's somebody from Fox watching, I know I maybe talked a little poorly about your network a few minutes ago.

01:39:15.000 I want to go to the debate.

01:39:16.000 Cool.

01:39:17.000 Someone make it happen.

01:39:18.000 D-Stock says, I really want a Trump Lake ticket.

01:39:21.000 Carrie Lake would be an amazing VP. 1.00

01:39:24.000 I agree.

01:39:24.000 I do think there are probably, she's a top contender in my mind, but I do think there may be better picks.

01:39:30.000 It's hard to figure out who it would be.

01:39:31.000 However, I think Carrie Lake is infinitely better in Arizona, and I think she'd be great winning the Senate seat. 1.00

01:39:38.000 And I think, I'm pretty sure that's what her plan is.

01:39:40.000 I'm just thinking about, Carrie Lake should be No.

01:39:44.000 Serving Arizona and then once she's done all she can for Arizona, then she she upgrades to the federal

01:39:50.000 So would it be safe to say that the only Republican vice presidential candidate that works is Vivek?

01:39:55.000 Ramaswamy no who else could be a VT in the Republican Party?

01:39:59.000 Yeah, it's tough.

01:40:01.000 I think, like, Byron Don- I mean, Byron is a Trump supporter.

01:40:04.000 He's endorsed Trump.

01:40:05.000 I think Thomas Massie.

01:40:06.000 I think there's a lot of great guys.

01:40:07.000 Rand Paul.

01:40:08.000 Massie endorsed DeSantis.

01:40:09.000 Yeah, I know.

01:40:10.000 I'm talking if DeSantis is the nominee.

01:40:12.000 If Trump is the nominee.

01:40:13.000 No, if Trump is the nominee, I'd like to see, like, a Byron Donalds.

01:40:16.000 I'd like to see, you know, somebody that's, uh, maybe not Lindsey Graham.

01:40:20.000 I don't know.

01:40:20.000 They're awfully close right now.

01:40:22.000 I don't know who Trump could pick.

01:40:23.000 Because for the longest time, the only thing anyone was saying was Trump-DeSantis.

01:40:28.000 No, that's not happening.

01:40:29.000 Dude, Byron Donald's awesome.

01:40:30.000 He's great.

01:40:31.000 Byron's a good guy, and I think, you know, I mean, demographically, I think it could help.

01:40:35.000 Trump has spoken very favorably.

01:40:36.000 I don't think Trump will be the nominee.

01:40:38.000 He's spoken very favorably, Trump has, of Vivek Ramaswamy.

01:40:41.000 There's at least a video I saw where it was like, have you heard of him?

01:40:43.000 His name's Vivek Ramaswamy.

01:40:47.000 I'm not your buddy guy says RFK is not the way.

01:40:50.000 He is crazy on the green stuff.

01:40:51.000 He is.

01:40:52.000 That's actually true.

01:40:53.000 He's a Democrat.

01:40:53.000 I don't know his green policy.

01:40:54.000 What do you expect?

01:40:55.000 He's a Democrat, you know, because he's okay on one issue and is exposing some stuff that, you know, are bringing things to the conversation.

01:41:04.000 But he should be the presidential nominee for Democrats.

01:41:07.000 I mean, that'd be great.

01:41:08.000 Absolutely.

01:41:09.000 Yeah, I mean, anybody but this Biden guy.

01:41:12.000 Well, let's not say that because I don't know.

01:41:14.000 Be careful what you wish for.

01:41:15.000 Yeah, no, no, no.

01:41:15.000 No, I wouldn't want to see like an A- well, AOC's still too young, but you know what I mean.

01:41:19.000 Here's a good one.

01:41:20.000 Tinky Winky says, first time super chat because Serge's comments about John Deere last night triggered me.

01:41:25.000 What'd you say?

01:41:25.000 I wonder if he knows why they paint them green.

01:41:28.000 So they can hide in the grass while the real tractors do the work.

01:41:30.000 Red power, baby.

01:41:31.000 That's a good one.

01:41:32.000 So do farmers have farmer jokes where they're hanging out at the farmer's bar or whatever and it's like, why are John Deere tractors green?

01:41:38.000 So they can hide in the grass as the red ones do the real work. 1.00

01:41:40.000 Is that a thing they do?

01:41:41.000 That's hilarious.

01:41:42.000 I don't know.

01:41:42.000 And all the farmers laugh?

01:41:44.000 Was it farmersonly.com or something?

01:41:46.000 Yeah, farmersonly.com, that exists.

01:41:47.000 Is that a dating site?

01:41:48.000 Now I want to look into farmer culture off the farm.

01:41:53.000 Well, you know, if you're looking for a significant other, they gotta be able to raise chickens.

01:41:57.000 How are you gonna survive an apocalypse, you know?

01:42:00.000 But imagine all of the low-quality non-farmers flooding Farmers Only and trying to find farmer mates.

01:42:05.000 I almost clicked on it.

01:42:06.000 Yeah, I'm one of those weirdos.

01:42:08.000 It's like, well, I live in the city, but I'm looking to be a farmer.

01:42:11.000 Oh, no.

01:42:12.000 You're not a farmer.

01:42:12.000 It's Farmers Only.

01:42:14.000 Is that discrimination?

01:42:16.000 Discriminating against someone for their career choice?

01:42:19.000 I think that's what every job application does.

01:42:21.000 True.

01:42:23.000 That has to be allowed, right?

01:42:26.000 Let's grab some Super Chats.

01:42:29.000 What do we have?

01:42:31.000 Diane Reynolds says, no candidate is perfect.

01:42:33.000 You need friends in low places sometimes.

01:42:35.000 It only matters if they impact his decisions and for that we should judge.

01:42:40.000 I mean, yeah, that has happened.

01:42:42.000 You know, he said that, didn't he say that Chris Christie recommended Ray?

01:42:47.000 Trump did, I mean.

01:42:48.000 Skylar Pearson says, Vivek is threatening to go Elon on the federal bureaucracy.

01:42:53.000 At least a 75% headcount reduction in the first term.

01:42:57.000 Also wants to staff with libertarians and knows the precise laws that empower him to do it.

01:43:01.000 I like this Vivek guy.

01:43:03.000 Yep.

01:43:03.000 He seems like a good dude.

01:43:07.000 We will grab some more.

01:43:08.000 Adolfo says, Vivek also stated he would fire everyone.

01:43:12.000 I could imagine him as VP.

01:43:14.000 I mean, that's a powerful ticket, but I just don't know if Vivek has the... There's like a persona, there's like a character, there's like a demeanor, there's like... It's not just about policy, it's not the only thing that matters.

01:43:27.000 What matters is... Leadership isn't always just about having the idea, and the example I often give is when I was at Occupy Wall Street, and this guy gets up on the planner and he goes, um, should we march, everybody?

01:43:39.000 And everyone just shrugs and looks around, and then some woman goes, Mike Jack! 0.51

01:43:42.000 And they all scream, let's!

01:43:45.000 Effing march!

01:43:46.000 And then everyone screams and starts marching.

01:43:48.000 That's leadership.

01:43:49.000 The idea wasn't good, the ability to rally and convince people was what was needed.

01:43:53.000 Important.

01:43:54.000 So Vivek has something powerful within him, but he seems more like a cabinet member.

01:44:00.000 Like he would be a cabinet member or something, not a VP.

01:44:04.000 DeSantis could be a VP.

01:44:06.000 Trump could definitely not be a VP.

01:44:08.000 He does not have the character or demeanor.

01:44:11.000 Yeah.

01:44:12.000 Let's grab some superchats.

01:44:13.000 Moose James says, long time listener, first time superchat.

01:44:16.000 I just got out of the theater with my dad.

01:44:17.000 Sound of Freedom was an amazing movie.

01:44:19.000 Depressing and gut-wrenching, but the best movie made in the last 10 years.

01:44:22.000 Oh yeah.

01:44:23.000 Really good.

01:44:24.000 Yup.

01:44:26.000 We will grab some more.

01:44:28.000 What do we have?

01:44:29.000 What do we have?

01:44:30.000 Hunter Killer says, breaking news.

01:44:32.000 Tornado hits Chicago suburbs from Elgin to Rosemont.

01:44:35.000 Damage control underway.

01:44:36.000 Whoa, you want to look that up?

01:44:37.000 That's crazy.

01:44:37.000 Chicago doesn't really get tornadoes too often.

01:44:41.000 We had like a couple, like, alerts when we were kids.

01:44:44.000 You grew up in Chicago?

01:44:46.000 Just outside the city, yeah.

01:44:47.000 Where?

01:44:48.000 Don't dox me.

01:44:49.000 Sorry.

01:44:49.000 Good call.

01:44:51.000 We'll have to talk after.

01:44:53.000 Actually, well, Tim and I originally, like, when I was really little, we lived in the same neighborhood.

01:44:57.000 Seriously?

01:44:57.000 Same neighborhood as Jimmy Dore, too.

01:44:59.000 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

01:45:00.000 Isn't that wild?

01:45:01.000 We'll have to talk, actually, because I was born in Chicago and have family that lives in a suburb right outside Chicago.

01:45:07.000 That's why I'm interested.

01:45:08.000 We'll talk.

01:45:08.000 I don't think Seamus was alive when Jimmy was there, though.

01:45:10.000 No, there's no way.

01:45:11.000 Because I think I was like six years old when Jimmy left.

01:45:14.000 Yeah.

01:45:14.000 But it was really cool when I met Jimmy Dore the first time.

01:45:17.000 He's like, so where are you from?

01:45:18.000 And I'm like, Chicago.

01:45:19.000 And he goes, no kidding, me too, where at?

01:45:20.000 And I was like, Midway area.

01:45:21.000 And he goes, no kidding, me too, where at?

01:45:22.000 And I was like, like Midway area, Southside, by Vidham Park.

01:45:26.000 And he goes, no kidding, me too.

01:45:27.000 And then I was like, I lived on this street, he goes, I live on this street, and it was like a block away.

01:45:30.000 That's crazy.

01:45:31.000 Isn't it wild that like, Tim has such little loyalty, he would accuse someone from the same neighborhood as him of stealing?

01:45:39.000 It's crazy.

01:45:40.000 Outlandish.

01:45:41.000 Thank you, Ian. 0.98

01:45:43.000 Seamus, you're evil.

01:45:45.000 No, I'm not. 0.97

01:45:46.000 What percent evil are you?

01:45:47.000 I'm not.

01:45:47.000 You guys know I'm not.

01:45:48.000 Are you 13% evil?

01:45:50.000 You guys know I'm not evil.

01:45:51.000 I'm not.

01:45:52.000 I believe you.

01:45:52.000 Seamus thinks that he can steal spoons and go to confession.

01:45:55.000 It doesn't matter.

01:45:55.000 You guys don't know.

01:45:56.000 Oh, that's true.

01:45:57.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:45:57.000 If I actually did steal spoons, I'd have to have a firm resolution to never do it again.

01:46:01.000 Yeah, in order to confess, I couldn't.

01:46:02.000 Did you secretly keep one of these spoons?

01:46:04.000 Is that what you were bringing up?

01:46:05.000 But this is completely theoretical.

01:46:05.000 I've never done something like this.

01:46:07.000 It's a ridiculous accusation.

01:46:08.000 Triton54 says, I have to agree with Seamus' version of these spoon events.

01:46:11.000 Thank you.

01:46:12.000 It's common knowledge that the Irish have not evolved to the point of using hand tools.

01:46:16.000 That's true, thank you.

01:46:17.000 Team Luke.

01:46:18.000 Thank you.

01:46:19.000 Wait, why was you team Luke?

01:46:20.000 I'm Irish too!

01:46:21.000 Me too.

01:46:21.000 Why is that team Luke?

01:46:22.000 I don't... Is everybody in here?

01:46:24.000 Who's not Irish? 0.98

01:46:25.000 Who doesn't have Irish DNA?

01:46:26.000 Surge is not Irish. 0.65

01:46:28.000 Yeah.

01:46:29.000 I'm Irish.

01:46:29.000 I'm Scottish.

01:46:30.000 Accidentally offensive to all of us.

01:46:33.000 How could you?

01:46:34.000 That really cleared me.

01:46:36.000 I didn't steal.

01:46:37.000 I didn't steal.

01:46:39.000 You guys know me.

01:46:40.000 You guys know the kind of person I am.

01:46:41.000 I wouldn't do that.

01:46:41.000 Are you Irish too, Jamie?

01:46:43.000 No, I'm Jewish.

01:46:45.000 But can't Jewish people be Irish? 0.70

01:46:47.000 Maybe.

01:46:47.000 Any Irish blood in you at all?

01:46:49.000 No, I'm 98% Ashkenazi Jew.

01:46:53.000 Let's see it in the comments.

01:46:55.000 I'm already expecting it.

01:46:56.000 What's the other 2%? 0.52

01:46:57.000 I don't know.

01:46:58.000 I forget.

01:46:59.000 Here we go.

01:46:59.000 Clifton Stocks says, Tim, I just left the theater and you've been lying to all of us.

01:47:04.000 That's right.

01:47:04.000 Sound of Freedom is better than you've been saying.

01:47:06.000 Go see this movie, everyone, and pay it forward.

01:47:08.000 God's Children are not for sale.

01:47:10.000 I said it was a 10 out of 10, I don't know how it could be better than that.

01:47:12.000 You should have said it was at least a 12 out of 10.

01:47:14.000 No, to be fair, I did say it's like, it's not, you know, an absolute perfect film, nothing is, but it gets very close in terms of like...

01:47:22.000 There are a lot of movies I've watched from where I usually watch a movie every night after the show.

01:47:26.000 Like, I'm going to bed, I'll turn a movie on.

01:47:28.000 I can't remember half of the movies that I watched.

01:47:30.000 They're just like, whatever.

01:47:31.000 Yeah.

01:47:31.000 Cause they're boring.

01:47:32.000 It's like, you know, I fall asleep half the time.

01:47:34.000 But, uh, Sound of Freedom is something I'm not going to forget.

01:47:37.000 It's a good movie.

01:47:39.000 Yeah.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, man.

01:47:41.000 All right.

01:47:42.000 Nefarious was great too, right?

01:47:44.000 They've been knocking it.

01:47:45.000 I know it's not the same studio.

01:47:46.000 Well, Nefarious, remember we just watched that recently too?

01:47:48.000 That was so good.

01:47:49.000 Really good.

01:47:50.000 Really good.

01:47:51.000 Oh, I really want to see that.

01:47:53.000 You should.

01:47:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:54.000 We really want to see that.

01:47:55.000 Matt Kelly says, I think this stream is being suppressed.

01:47:58.000 I didn't see this video on my feed like I do every day.

01:48:00.000 No notification, nor do I see it in the live tab.

01:48:02.000 Is it because of this?

01:48:04.000 The thumbnail?

01:48:04.000 Oh, actually, yeah, that could be.

01:48:06.000 Do you seriously think so?

01:48:07.000 Absolutely.

01:48:08.000 I was thinking that.

01:48:09.000 I think that's it.

01:48:09.000 I told you guys that earlier in the show.

01:48:11.000 Seamus was like, don't show that book.

01:48:12.000 He was like, no!

01:48:14.000 Yeah, definitely, those two words are probably flags for YouTube that knock down viewership.

01:48:18.000 That's crazy.

01:48:19.000 But, you know, I- It's your fault.

01:48:21.000 I guess so!

01:48:23.000 But, uh, it'll have no impact on- But kids can read it.

01:48:26.000 Yeah, I hate that, the truth, yeah.

01:48:28.000 But this is a children's book.

01:48:28.000 You can show it in schools.

01:48:29.000 It doesn't matter, we're in Amazon.

01:48:30.000 Amazon literally will not- It says it's 18+, but then they show it to kids in schools.

01:48:34.000 Here's the issue, this show can't just survive off the idea that YouTube will share it with people.

01:48:38.000 Clearly, this person who's posting this super chat sought out the stream by any means necessary to watch it.

01:48:44.000 That's what we need.

01:48:46.000 If people don't want to watch the show on its merits, then we don't deserve to have people watch the show.

01:48:50.000 They shouldn't watch it.

01:48:51.000 So that's why I've always been like, look, YouTube censors us sometimes.

01:48:54.000 Yeah, well, it is what it is.

01:48:55.000 It's good when they give us the bump because people discover it.

01:48:58.000 But really, it's about word of mouth.

01:48:59.000 For everybody who's like, I'm going to tell people about Sound of Freedom, y'all should be telling people about Viva and Barnes, and Stick Sex and Hammer, and Timcast IRL, and insert other show.

01:49:09.000 It's weird, there's one show you didn't mention.

01:49:10.000 There's one show you didn't mention, which is kind of crazy.

01:49:12.000 Ian Crosland.net.

01:49:16.000 Okay, thanks for bringing that up, Seamus.

01:49:18.000 Ian Crosland.net.

01:49:21.000 And then once you're exhausted, and you're tired, and you have nothing else, and you want to just get a chuckle, you know there's Freedom Tunes.

01:49:26.000 There's Freedom Tunes, that's right.

01:49:27.000 I guess there is Freedom Tunes.

01:49:28.000 I'm more interested in Shamer. 1.00

01:49:30.000 Oh, Beast!

01:49:31.000 Yeah, Rumble.com slash Shamer.

01:49:33.000 That's my podcast.

01:49:35.000 Thank you, Ian.

01:49:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:36.000 Let's grab some more Super Chats.

01:49:41.000 What do we have here?

01:49:42.000 Matt Bowler says, Tim is beyond illogical by saying it's weird that people who have issues voiced upon them go all in with learning about norms and standards, especially coming from someone who dropped out of school.

01:49:52.000 I don't quite understand what your point is.

01:49:55.000 I'm not sure how that applies to what I was arguing.

01:49:57.000 Can you say that one more time?

01:49:58.000 Because I think it was...

01:49:59.000 It's weird that people who have issues foist upon them go all in with learning about norms and standards.

01:50:05.000 I don't understand what he's trying to say.

01:50:07.000 Like, I understand you're making a reference to the argument I made about people who are adamant about issues that have been thrust upon them that they've never experienced before, but I don't know what that has to do with me not going to high school.

01:50:21.000 You didn't go to high school?

01:50:22.000 No.

01:50:23.000 Really?

01:50:23.000 Yeah.

01:50:24.000 Wow.

01:50:24.000 What'd you do instead?

01:50:25.000 I was on the internet all day.

01:50:28.000 Made websites.

01:50:30.000 Programmed video games.

01:50:31.000 Played music.

01:50:31.000 Skateboarded.

01:50:32.000 Wow.

01:50:32.000 I didn't know that about you.

01:50:33.000 Things that were substantially more productive than sitting around in a school, wasting your time.

01:50:37.000 Oh man, talk about it.

01:50:38.000 That's crazy.

01:50:39.000 I didn't know that.

01:50:40.000 Yeah, I did flash animation.

01:50:42.000 Flash 4.

01:50:43.000 Back in the day.

01:50:44.000 Macromedia Flash.

01:50:46.000 I, uh, started teaching myself to animate on Flash 3.

01:50:48.000 Wow.

01:50:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:49.000 That, now that was, even then it was very out of date.

01:50:51.000 It was like 10 years old at the time.

01:50:53.000 How old were you when you started animating?

01:50:54.000 Uh, I was 12 when I started teaching myself.

01:50:56.000 I used, uh, Shockwave to make a skate video once, cause I didn't know what I was doing, you know?

01:51:00.000 And then, um, I think before Premiere was purchased by Adobe, what was it?

01:51:04.000 Oh, that's a good question.

01:51:05.000 Yeah, uh, Flash was Macromedia.

01:51:07.000 Right.

01:51:07.000 Macromedia, Flash.

01:51:08.000 And then Adobe bought it.

01:51:09.000 What was Premiere?

01:51:10.000 I can't remember.

01:51:10.000 What was Premiere owned by?

01:51:11.000 Making skate videos.

01:51:12.000 We had digital cameras where it could only take pictures.

01:51:14.000 And then we got a mini, mini, uh, what is it?

01:51:17.000 A mini DV.

01:51:17.000 No, no, no.

01:51:18.000 Hi8 was the first camera we got.

01:51:20.000 And then we got like this garbage little lens because you needed a wide angle lens to film skate videos.

01:51:24.000 So I was basically like learning how to do work in the real world.

01:51:29.000 And all of my friends were learning what like interrogative sentences were for the 15th year in a row.

01:51:35.000 No joke.

01:51:35.000 I'm like, what are you guys learning?

01:51:37.000 Nothing.

01:51:39.000 It was crazy.

01:51:39.000 I had a friend who was going to school for music business.

01:51:42.000 And I was like, you're in your third year of college.

01:51:45.000 She's like, yeah.

01:51:45.000 And I'm like, you're majoring in music business.

01:51:47.000 Yeah.

01:51:49.000 How many shows have you put on?

01:51:51.000 How many bands have you managed?

01:51:53.000 How many demos have you put together?

01:51:54.000 And she's like, none.

01:51:55.000 And I'm like, isn't it weird that I've managed more shows for bands than you, and you're in college for this?

01:52:03.000 It is a weird thing.

01:52:03.000 So I went to... I ended up going to school for animation, and there was a class where we were, you know, everyone sort of had to produce a short film, and there were kids who had literally never made an animated short film before.

01:52:14.000 It's like, what?

01:52:15.000 You're in college for animation?

01:52:16.000 You've never, like, just made an animated short by yourself ever?

01:52:18.000 It's crazy.

01:52:19.000 It's crazy that someone thinks, like, this is the thing I want to do, and then they don't...

01:52:22.000 like dedicate themselves to it and try to get as good at it as possible.

01:52:26.000 It's a bad, oh it's a mistake to think that school is going to make you what

01:52:30.000 you what you want to be. You got to make yourself what you want to be. School is

01:52:33.000 an opportunity to do it. You can go there and then make yourself

01:52:37.000 but you got to do it. Exactly, exactly.

01:52:40.000 Tyler Brighton says, as an anarchist libertarian I will be voting Trump.

01:52:45.000 That one's funny.

01:52:46.000 Beast.

01:52:47.000 But I can understand that, because even when we've talked to people like Dave Smith, he's been like, yeah, the foreign policy might be something we just want to get.

01:52:53.000 It's like, we don't like all of it.

01:52:55.000 We think a lot of it's bad.

01:52:56.000 We think a lot of what, like, most of what he's doing is bad.

01:52:59.000 But it's like, if you can inch forward on a couple good things, do you just take it?

01:53:04.000 My bigger issue is, where's the Libertarian Party candidates?

01:53:07.000 What's going on?

01:53:08.000 Yeah, is there one?

01:53:09.000 I mean, is there even one?

01:53:10.000 Did they announce one?

01:53:11.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:53:12.000 Well, they wouldn't announce, like, right?

01:53:13.000 The Democratic Party hasn't had a primary yet.

01:53:15.000 Republicans haven't.

01:53:16.000 But what about their primaries?

01:53:17.000 See, it feels like it isn't as early as it is.

01:53:20.000 It's like, we're still just out the gate.

01:53:23.000 A Green Clover says, on deployment, so can't watch the Sound of Freedom.

01:53:27.000 Give my super chat to the fund.

01:53:29.000 Solid.

01:53:30.000 Maybe we can set up a fund, a pay it forward fund for Sound of Freedom.

01:53:35.000 We should figure something out.

01:53:37.000 Get some people to the movie.

01:53:39.000 Guardsman Norheim of the 10th First says, Tim's going to come back from surgery to convert a devout Catholic audience.

01:53:46.000 Amen.

01:53:47.000 James is going to be like, now that Tim's not here.

01:53:49.000 He'll come back and be like, talk about Catholicism more!

01:53:52.000 Every episode is going to be with a different theological expert.

01:53:56.000 The guests are already booked.

01:53:58.000 Uh, the unfortunate thing is, I guess, you know, we've gotta, we've gotta inform the guests, like, I'm not gonna be here.

01:54:02.000 Uh... You're gonna have to talk to me.

01:54:03.000 They're gonna be like, you know what, I think I can... Can we get a rank check?

01:54:07.000 Nothing I can do about it, man.

01:54:08.000 Like, quite literally... It's like, if, if I don't go now, what ends up happening is, then next week it's a day off for a consultation, then next week it's like two days off for scans, or it's like I can go to a specialist and they're like, we can get it all done in one week.

01:54:21.000 Yeah, it's better to just get it over with.

01:54:23.000 Super brutal, I have to like sleep in the hospital one night.

01:54:25.000 Are you gonna document it?

01:54:27.000 No, I don't know about that.

01:54:28.000 That'd be pretty cool.

01:54:29.000 I'm trying to convince Luke to come out.

01:54:30.000 No, ew, why would you do that?

01:54:32.000 Not here, to come hang out when, you know, we're out there partying.

01:54:34.000 That's even worse!

01:54:37.000 You want to subject yourself to him?

01:54:38.000 I thought you were punishing your audience, not you.

01:54:40.000 You need to heal.

01:54:40.000 Luke's looking good on social media.

01:54:42.000 Why would you say that?

01:54:43.000 Why would you say that? 1.00

01:54:44.000 That's ridiculous. 1.00

01:54:45.000 That's a ridiculous thing to say. 0.99

01:54:48.000 There's no basis for that. 0.98

01:54:49.000 There's no basis for that.

01:54:51.000 That's been widely refuted by every expert on the subject.

01:54:54.000 All right.

01:54:55.000 Salty says DeSantis' initial reaction to COVID was the same as the left.

01:54:58.000 He only backed off his COVID policy because of his very conservative state assembly.

01:55:02.000 They pushed the agenda in Florida.

01:55:04.000 He has just follows.

01:55:06.000 What does that look like with a divided Congress?

01:55:11.000 I mean, I think Ron gets a lot of credit for what the Florida Republican Legislature does, too.

01:55:16.000 So we should give them credit as well.

01:55:18.000 They're the ones that are actually sending the bills to his desk.

01:55:23.000 Let's grab some more superchats.

01:55:25.000 What do we got here?

01:55:26.000 Andrew Waggaman says the use of deepfakes is a lack of integrity.

01:55:29.000 If he would own up to it and condemn it, that would show that he has more honesty.

01:55:34.000 And that's kind of the issue because like I don't really expect a lot out of Trump in terms of like integrity and stuff.

01:55:39.000 I can certainly say I think he might fire people because he's angry at them and wants revenge.

01:55:44.000 But the point of Ron is that he's supposed to be better.

01:55:47.000 Instead, it's like, what I see with the deepfake thing is him doing what the corporate press has been doing for years in order to win.

01:55:55.000 They want Biden to win.

01:55:56.000 They want Hillary to win. 1.00

01:55:56.000 They just make things up. 1.00

01:55:58.000 Donald Trump posts annoying memes to a lot of people.

01:56:01.000 Some people think those memes are funny.

01:56:02.000 Donald Trump insults people.

01:56:04.000 A lot of people don't like that.

01:56:05.000 A lot of people think it's funny.

01:56:06.000 There are certainly problems with Trump supporters as well, but I don't like the idea of producing deepfakes with the direct intention of manipulating the public with things that never happened.

01:56:15.000 But they did figuratively.

01:56:17.000 Yeah, so to make a video that says real-life Trump and intersperse manufactured images with real images in order to trick people... I'm just messing with you now.

01:56:26.000 No, but it is funny that it's like... Ron DeSantis is hoping to trick Trump supporters or conservatives into voting for him by making fake images about what Trump did.

01:56:34.000 Yeah, he doesn't need to trick them, that's the thing.

01:56:36.000 That's exactly, he could have just been like...

01:56:38.000 He didn't even need that one second, I don't even know why he did it.

01:56:40.000 But guys, you do understand that Ron DeSantis himself did not make the ad.

01:56:44.000 Like, you talk about Ron DeSantis, you can talk about the campaign, maybe, but, like, saying you're anti-Ron DeSantis, the person, the politician, the candidate, because of something that, you know, an ad team... Okay?

01:56:57.000 I mean, but still, like, I just... I was really just poking fun again, but that's, you know...

01:57:03.000 I mean, that's kind of the issue.

01:57:04.000 It's like, Ron should have just come out right away.

01:57:05.000 He got fact-checked for it.

01:57:06.000 He got slammed across the board for it.

01:57:08.000 He should have been like, Hey, look, it wasn't me.

01:57:09.000 I mean, maybe they did.

01:57:10.000 How do you know that nobody- Do you know every single person employed by the campaign?

01:57:14.000 I don't know.

01:57:15.000 Maybe that person- Yeah, Ron DeSantis should have publicly announced it was a mistake and that he was firing the person responsible.

01:57:19.000 Instead, he's just like, Shh, don't tell anyone.

01:57:21.000 Let's just let it go away.

01:57:22.000 It's like smarmy PR stuff.

01:57:24.000 Not a fan.

01:57:26.000 I think it's- I think that- I think it's a problem.

01:57:29.000 Alright, we will grab some more Super Chats.

01:57:32.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:57:34.000 Marty McFly says, is Jamie's point that DeSantis' deepfake photo is akin to a political cartoon come to life?

01:57:40.000 Why can't a political cartoon and now have realism?

01:57:43.000 Love the show.

01:57:45.000 One of the arguments that was put forward by DeSantis supporters was that Trump had, Republicans had made a deepfake of a future under Joe Biden.

01:57:53.000 And it was a bunch of deepfake images of like the apocalypse having happened.

01:57:57.000 And it's just like, okay.

01:57:58.000 And then DeSantis supporters brought up The Photoshop of Ron riding a rhinoceros, which is very obviously not real.

01:58:04.000 It's like there's a big difference between a hypothetical artistic future, a meme, and an image that says real life Trump on it and has fake pictures.

01:58:12.000 To be fair, the image didn't even look real.

01:58:14.000 It was like clearly artistic, like an artistic rendition.

01:58:18.000 The three images they posted alongside the three real images?

01:58:20.000 I only know the... I haven't seen the ad in... How long ago was that?

01:58:25.000 Again, no sense of time.

01:58:26.000 It was end of June.

01:58:27.000 Or beginning of June, I think.

01:58:28.000 No, it was before then.

01:58:29.000 Six weeks ago.

01:58:30.000 June 5th?

01:58:31.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:58:32.000 Five weeks ago.

01:58:33.000 I think it was June 5th.

01:58:33.000 Okay, I'd have to watch it again.

01:58:34.000 The only one that is sticking out in my mind is that I know that really ruffled feathers was, you know, him hugging Fauci.

01:58:40.000 There's three fake photos of him hugging Fauci.

01:58:42.000 Okay, so they're all hugging Fauci, right?

01:58:44.000 And there's three real photos of him, like, standing next to Fauci.

01:58:47.000 Okay.

01:58:47.000 And then they wrote real-life Trump over it.

01:58:50.000 Okay.

01:58:51.000 Yeah, that's like... No, but I already forgot my point that I was trying to make.

01:58:55.000 Sorry.

01:58:55.000 It looks like it was in response to the June 2nd image of Ron riding a rhino, which you should see if you haven't seen it, because he's smiling.

01:59:02.000 Oh, no, but what's the difference?

01:59:04.000 Okay, so they were artistic renditions.

01:59:06.000 Like, they looked like they were... They wrote real-life Trump over it and put it next to real photos.

01:59:09.000 But they looked like they were AI-generated.

01:59:11.000 Like, they did not even look... They didn't.

01:59:12.000 They looked real if you didn't examine them.

01:59:14.000 I think that they looked like... Oh, you saw them?

01:59:15.000 Yeah, no, I, I, the one that's like, you could bring it back up, but like, the one that I have in my head that I can remember clearly looks like, almost like a painting.

01:59:24.000 Like, it's not, it doesn't look like a photo, like if I were to just snap a picture right now of you.

01:59:27.000 The average person didn't stop the video and then inspect the small 64 by 64 pixel image to determine whether it was real or not.

01:59:34.000 I still think the whole thing is silly.

01:59:35.000 That's why it was a, it was a week afterwards people figured out he did it, and then people were like, whoa, wait, what?

01:59:40.000 We didn't catch that.

01:59:42.000 So it's a combination of, it's like, you can make the argument that he made a fake photo and said, this is what Trump does, and then say I was making a gag.

01:59:48.000 It's another thing to put three of them next to three real photos and then tag it, real life Trump, and then put subtext, like, put quoted text over it so it's, like, harder to see.

01:59:56.000 But what's the difference between that and, like, making a meme, like, making a photo, like, photoshopping something of somebody with somebody?

02:00:03.000 Like, like, let's say, you know, a photoshopped picture of a candidate with Like Trump and Hillary.

02:00:07.000 I mean, you don't have to photoshop that because that's a real thing.

02:00:10.000 People shouldn't make fake things to trick other people to gain political power.

02:00:14.000 Okay, we've spent way too much time on this point.

02:00:16.000 I enjoyed it personally.

02:00:21.000 Kptmarvel says, question for Seamus, isn't a visual portrayal of Christ a violation of the first and second commandment?

02:00:27.000 No.

02:00:28.000 No, absolutely not.

02:00:28.000 I mean, he's the visible face of the Invisible Father.

02:00:31.000 That would not be a violation of the commandments.

02:00:34.000 Also, basically, he's referring to first and second commandments.

02:00:38.000 The way, like, Protestants and Catholics number the Ten Commandments is a bit different.

02:00:43.000 So, we consider, like, graven images or idolatry to be lumped in with the first commandment, I'm not taking other gods before him, and it doesn't prohibit you from having images of things, and especially not an image of God, I don't understand how that would even track.

02:01:00.000 Alright everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com, click join us.

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02:01:20.000 Jamie, you want to shout anything out?

02:01:21.000 Yes, you can follow me personally on Twitter at thegaywhostrayed, without an E at the end, and please follow Gays Against Groomers and the work we're doing. 0.95

02:01:29.000 On Twitter it's againstgrmrs, still left over from the days you couldn't say the word groomer on Twitter.

02:01:35.000 Oh wow.

02:01:37.000 Yeah, we had to change it and now the other one's taken.

02:01:39.000 So, and yeah, just go to gaysagainstgroomers.com to learn more about us or support our fight.

02:01:45.000 My name is Seamus Coghlan.

02:01:47.000 I make cartoons on a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.

02:01:49.000 We're going to be releasing one tomorrow on the response to Sound of Freedom that we've seen from the Hollywood establishment.

02:01:55.000 I think that you guys are going to enjoy it.

02:01:57.000 It's pretty spicy.

02:01:58.000 Go over there.

02:01:59.000 Like and subscribe.

02:02:01.000 I will see you tomorrow.

02:02:02.000 God bless.

02:02:02.000 And I'm Ian Crossland.

02:02:03.000 You guys follow me at iancrossland.net.

02:02:05.000 Really just hit me up anywhere on Twitter, Mines, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, wherever.

02:02:09.000 Give me a follow.

02:02:10.000 Give me a like.

02:02:11.000 Send me a message if you want to.

02:02:12.000 I like to read almost all of them if I can.

02:02:15.000 And someone mentioned that you should start a drive-in theater.

02:02:18.000 I thought that was kind of a cool suggestion.

02:02:19.000 Oh, I missed those.

02:02:20.000 Yeah.

02:02:21.000 Those were so great.

02:02:21.000 Bring it back.

02:02:22.000 Good community challenge.

02:02:23.000 After every other project we're working on.

02:02:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:25.000 Get the 100th coffee shop open.

02:02:26.000 Stick it in the queue.

02:02:28.000 Have a nice evening, everyone.

02:02:30.000 Yeah, likewise.

02:02:31.000 I echo that.

02:02:31.000 Have a nice evening.

02:02:32.000 If you haven't seen the film, Sound of Freedom, I'm gonna go see it.

02:02:35.000 Maybe I'll try and get Seamus on a date.

02:02:36.000 We'll see if he'll do it.

02:02:38.000 We'll hang out, bro.

02:02:38.000 We'll definitely go to see the movie.

02:02:40.000 When are you gonna go see it?

02:02:41.000 We can figure it out.

02:02:42.000 I'll see if I'm available, but I'd totally be down.

02:02:44.000 Well, now that I know that he's coming tomorrow, I would like to maybe see it tomorrow, but I don't know if that'll happen.

02:02:48.000 I got a busy day tomorrow.

02:02:50.000 We'll see.

02:02:50.000 Anyways, James, I'm Surge.com.

02:02:52.000 Let's get to the after show.

02:02:53.000 We will see you all over at TimCast.com in a couple minutes.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - July 12, 2023

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