Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - DeSantis Threatens Disney With Legal Action For Supporting Woke Cult w-Michael Malice

00:00:01.000 Ron DeSantis is threatening to pull Disney's special governing status or whatever that means apparently since I think the 60s they've been able to govern their own property as if it's their own government and because they've been supporting wokeness and because they've been supporting I'll just call it child grooming.

00:00:19.000 DeSantis has basically said, I don't see why we shouldn't pull this, why they should have the status, and several Republicans in the state are talking about pulling it, because, well, it seems like if there are at least some politicians who are doing anything in the culture war, it's just the people in Florida.

00:00:34.000 It's probably fair to say there are several other states that are doing awesome stuff.

00:00:37.000 I'm hearing, what is it, Georgia's doing constitutional carry?

00:00:40.000 Texas just did it, a bunch of other states are doing it, Florida might be doing it, these are really, really cool

00:00:43.000 things.

00:00:44.000 So we'll talk about that, we'll talk about how this is now turning into a major culture war movement with the Daily

00:00:48.000 Wire, launching a new kids programming format channel or whatever,

00:00:53.000 $100 million, and a lot of pushback from female athletes over the trans 0.97

00:00:58.000 issue in sports.

00:01:00.000 Female athletes are now starting to speak up and having a big impact.

00:01:02.000 So it's Friday.

00:01:03.000 We're gonna be chillin Jen Psaki is quitting apparently and I don't think anybody really cares all that much I just shrugged when I heard and I'm like sure whatever and Joining us today on this lovely Friday to talk about all of it is Michael Malice Aloha Am I supposed to say something?

00:01:18.000 Yeah, you introduce yourself.

00:01:19.000 Oh, hi, I'm Michael Malice, star of stage and screen.

00:01:22.000 That's correct.

00:01:22.000 I just want to give a shout out to Adrian Curry and to Elizabeth, who's in Columbia today.

00:01:29.000 Who are you?

00:01:29.000 What do you do?

00:01:30.000 They know who I am.

00:01:31.000 Well, but there may be new viewers.

00:01:33.000 Okay, I am an author.

00:01:36.000 My last book is the Anarchist Handbook.

00:01:37.000 Tim did a chapter for the audiobook, which is at anarchistaudiobook.com.

00:01:40.000 Yeah, that was cool.

00:01:41.000 anarchisthandbook.com for the book.

00:01:43.000 Hardcover is coming out soon.

00:01:44.000 My next book is called The White Pill.

00:01:46.000 I did a book on The New Right and Dear Reader is the book on North Korea.

00:01:49.000 And you can follow me on Twitter at Michael Ballas.

00:01:52.000 Amazing.

00:01:52.000 All right.

00:01:52.000 We got Seamus.

00:01:53.000 I'm Seamus Coghlan.

00:01:54.000 I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.

00:01:56.000 If y'all want to go check that out, we release a new cartoon every single Thursday, sometimes on Tuesdays.

00:02:00.000 We just released a video on this first topic we're talking about, which is these men competing in women's sports.

00:02:06.000 I think y'all will enjoy it.

00:02:07.000 Ian Crossland over here.

00:02:08.000 I want you to respect yourself.

00:02:10.000 Find love.

00:02:11.000 That's a great message.

00:02:12.000 Thanks, Michael.

00:02:13.000 I just want you to go to my YouTube channel.

00:02:14.000 It's actually a lot easier.

00:02:16.000 It's a lot easier to just click subscribe at Freedom Tunes.

00:02:18.000 Yes.

00:02:19.000 I wanted to say this is our 500th episode and we have Michael Malice and I'm loving it.

00:02:24.000 It's going to be a great evening.

00:02:25.000 Yeah.

00:02:25.000 Yes.

00:02:26.000 And stay tuned for the bonus section.

00:02:28.000 We don't do those on Friday.

00:02:30.000 Well, that's why they should stay tuned.

00:02:33.000 All right, all right.

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00:04:05.000 with your friends right now, and let's talk about that first story.

00:04:08.000 Wait, can I say something before we get to that?

00:04:09.000 Yeah, sure.

00:04:10.000 I hope at some point during the show you guys look back at like the 500 episodes, because

00:04:14.000 I think that's an important thing to kind of get a little meta, like how the show has

00:04:18.000 gone, what have you learned, what advice you would probably give to people who are doing

00:04:21.000 this.

00:04:22.000 That's the kind of thing I think people are interested in.

00:04:24.000 500 is no joke.

00:04:25.000 It's true.

00:04:26.000 You know, that's a good point.

00:04:27.000 I don't really think about stuff like this, you know, to like do a look back.

00:04:30.000 and prepare something. Maybe we should. We could do like, you know, who's that lady who sings a

00:04:35.000 song about remembering you? Celine Dion. That lady. Let's do a live stream. You know what we 0.94

00:04:41.000 could have done, it would have been funny, is if we just showed the past episodes with Michael

00:04:45.000 and we did like a slow motion in memoriam. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:49.000 So good. Let's do a live stream where we watch all 500 episodes and do our commentary on it. You

00:04:55.000 know, as an aside, there was this woman who wrote, she wrote this thing called the Alternative Influencer

00:05:00.000 Network.

00:05:02.000 And she made- Was it a book?

00:05:03.000 It was like a report for like a non-profit where she smeared- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.96

00:05:06.000 It was a crazy conspiracy theory thing where she had a bunch of different YouTube channels that have nothing to do with each other connected with red lines. 0.86

00:05:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:13.000 So, uh, but like, it connected Chris Raygun to Richard Spencer.

00:05:16.000 What?

00:05:16.000 Like, Chris Raygun is like a culture commentary guy who plays video games, and Richard Spencer is Richard Spencer, and like, there's a line connecting them.

00:05:23.000 And even he was like, what?

00:05:24.000 Like, they've never even said each other's names before that.

00:05:26.000 Can I show my age?

00:05:28.000 There was someone named Mark Fabiani who worked for the Democratic Party for Hillary in some capacity, and he did this in the 90s.

00:05:34.000 He created this big flow chart of everyone pointing to, you know, Cato Institute, and this one's in bed. 0.89

00:05:39.000 So that's why when Hillary Clinton went on, I believe it was Good Morning America, and said, with this huge blowback, there's this vast right-wing conspiracy against my husband, and it's out in the open, she wasn't just talking out her ass, she was referencing this document that they had. 0.80

00:05:52.000 So this has been going on for a long time. 0.80

00:05:53.000 Well, here's the best part, and why bring it up.

00:05:55.000 is that I complained very heavily about it because it put me right in the middle and like the Young Turks did a segment on it where it's like Tim Pool is the center they were talking about me but it like makes me the center of this vast you know alt-right conspiracy or something and I was just like it's fabricated I had friends who were working in these media companies who even rejected the story outright because I reached out to them like hey guys look at this and I pointed it out they're like whoa like people who worked at the Atlantic and Politico and so she does a follow-up So then she's like- Specifically on me!

00:06:21.000 Tim controls Atlantic and Politico!

00:06:23.000 She does a follow-up specifically on me, where she says she watched all of my videos.

00:06:30.000 Which is the most insane thing anyone's ever done.

00:06:33.000 Is that literally possible?

00:06:34.000 If you turn them all on at the same time, yeah, it drives you insane.

00:06:36.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:06:37.000 This was 2019, I think.

00:06:37.000 Yeah.

00:06:41.000 So this was before IRL, but this meant there were two hours of content every day for like three years.

00:06:49.000 So that would, that meant that to get this done, it was like in the span of a year, she had to watch my content.

00:06:56.000 She had to watch like four days worth of content every day to keep up with the content I was producing. 0.78

00:07:01.000 And she referenced a whole bunch of my old content.

00:07:04.000 Now, far be it for me to call her a liar.

00:07:06.000 She said she watched it all.

00:07:07.000 I am impressed.

00:07:09.000 And then she ultimately concluded that, like, I wasn't that bad and wasn't far right or something like that.

00:07:12.000 It was the weirdest trying to take me down or maybe just, like, I did a deep dive on the sky and he's normal.

00:07:17.000 This is the longest suicide note I have ever... Because if someone is sitting down and watching your content for, like, a year, my god.

00:07:23.000 That is a cry for help.

00:07:24.000 But is it not interesting?

00:07:26.000 But is it not interesting that the person who actually sat down and consumed all of your content ended up walking away going Okay, he's not some like far-right Nazi.

00:07:33.000 It turns out that's just a thing we say but I like how like after six months She's like I'm gonna find that Nazi is like nine months. 0.70

00:07:41.000 It's there.

00:07:42.000 It's gotta be the back In the member content.

00:07:45.000 I'm imagining like she finally finished watching all the videos and her eyes are like just like deeply sunk and like black and her like skin is pale and she weighs like a hundred pounds like I've watched it all. 0.55

00:07:55.000 No, but I can I'm imagining because when I was writing my book on North Korea and I was just telling all my friends about all these cool Kim Jong-il stories I heard and after a while they're like, okay, I don't care about North Korea.

00:08:04.000 So she's like talking to her friends or her boyfriend or whatever like I don't care about this beanie guy. 0.94

00:08:08.000 Can you please?

00:08:09.000 Talk about anything else.

00:08:11.000 Ben Shapiro.

00:08:12.000 The Young Turks.

00:08:13.000 Even Ruben.

00:08:14.000 Something.

00:08:14.000 Anything.

00:08:15.000 And she's like, well, I watched eight hours of his videos today, and I just, I can't stop thinking about this one thing he brought up.

00:08:20.000 And you gotta understand, the Great Reset is real.

00:08:22.000 I'm telling you.

00:08:23.000 Now she works for InfoWars. 0.68

00:08:24.000 Now there's gonna be like a romantic novel coming out about someone who falls in love with you because they watched all of your content.

00:08:30.000 And that woman's name was Owen Schreier.

00:08:32.000 Oh my gosh.

00:08:33.000 Dude, she could probably do such a good impression of you. 1.00

00:08:35.000 Fifty gray beanies or something.

00:08:37.000 Yeah, right.

00:08:38.000 Should we talk about the news?

00:08:39.000 Yeah, we should.

00:08:40.000 All right, here we go, here we go.

00:08:41.000 We got this story from CNN.

00:08:43.000 Ooh, CNN.

00:08:44.000 Ron DeSantis signals support for stripping Disney of special self-governing status as feud escalates.

00:08:50.000 Because apparently the only Republicans who actually do anything are in Florida.

00:08:53.000 Yeah, that's weird.

00:08:54.000 So basically, Disney has this special thing going back to 1967, a state law that established the Reedy Creek Improvement District, giving Disney the power to establish its own government in Central Florida.

00:09:05.000 He basically said, you know what, why should we have companies that have this special privilege, right?

00:09:09.000 Which is a smackdown because DeSantis said Disney went too far.

00:09:14.000 I think Disney did go too far because after the backlash, well let me slow down, Disney refused to call out the parental rights and education bill, which the left calls don't say gay, which makes no sense because that doesn't even make sense.

00:09:26.000 And so they refused to do anything.

00:09:28.000 Disney employees walked out.

00:09:30.000 Some of them got arrested for child sex trafficking, whole other story, but around the same time, mind you.

00:09:34.000 And then Disney decided they were going to be like, oh, okay, okay.

00:09:37.000 Yeah, we oppose that bill and we're going to see it defeated in the courts.

00:09:41.000 And then DeSantis is all like, yo, What does Disney have to do with the people passing legislation?

00:09:47.000 That's gone too far.

00:09:48.000 Now you got Republicans saying they're going to be going after Disney and stripping away their rights, and good.

00:09:53.000 I'm loving it because these leftists, Abigail Disney actually, she's the grandniece of Walt Disney himself.

00:10:00.000 She's the granddaughter of Roy Disney, who is co-founder.

00:10:05.000 And she was saying like, these far right groups are trying to rule by minority,

00:10:09.000 and they're saying insane things, referencing Chris Rufo and all that.

00:10:13.000 But she says, I'm happy to see the right finally going after the business

00:10:16.000 sector that's for so long propped them up or whatever. And I'm just sitting here watching,

00:10:21.000 like, you know. Did she think Disney propped the right up?

00:10:24.000 Well, these companies are all woke.

00:10:26.000 That's why I'm like, what do you think's going on?

00:10:28.000 The institutions are all woke, leftists, critical race theory, etc.

00:10:33.000 The right has not been supported by CNN.

00:10:36.000 I mean, look, let's just say starting in 2015.

00:10:38.000 How about that?

00:10:39.000 But we know it goes back further.

00:10:40.000 Yeah, I think, well, I'm a little bit torn because as an anarchist, I like the idea of a company being able to have its own government within its own jurisdiction.

00:10:48.000 But I am ecstatic That if either of the political parties, and hopefully both, alienate from corporate America, which has historically been, I think to a large extent, you have these kind of chamber of commerce, Mitt Romney Republicans, have been a thing in the Republican Party, especially after, like, Republicanism was defeated by FDR.

00:11:06.000 You kind of had these, you know, weak Republicans who were kind of like, you know, suburban shop owner, middle of the road kind of types.

00:11:13.000 And they kind of made apologies for corporations just doing really unconscionable things.

00:11:17.000 So the fact that Republicans at all are coming to understand, which Democrats, many Democrats, for a long time understood, that corporations are not your friend.

00:11:27.000 That if a corporation were a human being, that person would be a sociopath.

00:11:30.000 And the more distance there is between politics and corporate America, the healthier it is for everyone involved, including corporate America.

00:11:37.000 I think corporations could also be likened to the Borg.

00:11:40.000 Yeah!

00:11:41.000 So, you know, I like to point out the Borg in Star Trek is like communists.

00:11:44.000 They're this collective that just grow and expand.

00:11:47.000 I think that's a better way to view it because it is a system of governance, the Borg it operates in.

00:11:53.000 But corporations are not too dissimilar in that they absorb other companies, they grow, expand, they're authoritarian and single-minded.

00:11:59.000 Yeah, profit is their motive.

00:12:01.000 I worked for Disney as a temp for their Pocahontas premiere in the park in Central Park.

00:12:05.000 And speaking of the Borg, they had a dress code.

00:12:08.000 You couldn't have piercings, you couldn't have dyed hair.

00:12:11.000 There was a very specific list of things about your appearance that you had to have, even just working for that one day for them.

00:12:17.000 Where was it?

00:12:18.000 Disney World?

00:12:19.000 Central Park.

00:12:20.000 They had Pocahontas the movie, they had the premiere in the park was the thing.

00:12:23.000 I like my age.

00:12:23.000 Now, I don't know all about this.

00:12:25.000 It just seems so weird that any corporation would have its own government on U.S.

00:12:28.000 soil.

00:12:29.000 That doesn't seem right to me, so... It's weird, isn't it?

00:12:31.000 Yeah, it's very, very strange.

00:12:33.000 So, it's similar in Anaheim with, was it Disneyland or whatever?

00:12:36.000 I don't know.

00:12:37.000 World is in Florida, right?

00:12:38.000 World is in Florida, yeah.

00:12:39.000 And so when people were rioting down in Anaheim over, I think it was a BLM thing or something like that, And, like, the police came out in force more than I'd seen in most places.

00:12:51.000 And it's because, well, now you're coming after a major corporation and their corporate profits.

00:12:55.000 So once the rioters and, you know, protesters started getting close to this bridge that brought them close to Disneyland or whatever, the cops just went off.

00:13:03.000 They had bokken. 1.00

00:13:04.000 You know what a bokken is? 1.00

00:13:05.000 It's like a wooden katana.

00:13:07.000 And they were on horseback with bokken. 1.00

00:13:09.000 What?

00:13:09.000 Where did the cops get those from?

00:13:11.000 I don't know!

00:13:13.000 Like the Mulan exhibit?

00:13:15.000 It was a weird thing to see.

00:13:17.000 Cops on horseback with Bokin. 0.98

00:13:19.000 But it was also kind of cool.

00:13:20.000 I'm like, these are like samurai warriors, I guess.

00:13:24.000 It's the weirdest thing to me.

00:13:25.000 I don't know if they actually hit anybody with them, but that's what they're for.

00:13:28.000 They're for striking people. 1.00

00:13:30.000 I got a prediction.

00:13:31.000 I think that this is going to go to the courts or do whatever.

00:13:33.000 Disney's going to fight it for a while, then they're going to agree and be like, okay, whatever.

00:13:36.000 And then they're going to start lobbying other states and be like, who wants Disney World?

00:13:40.000 And then California is going to take it.

00:13:41.000 You don't think so?

00:13:42.000 I mean, the cost of moving that thing would be insane.

00:13:45.000 I think they I think it's I disagree.

00:13:48.000 And I think it's more that they have to publicly make a show fighting it.

00:13:51.000 But then if they lose, they could be like, well, we did what we could.

00:13:54.000 Yeah.

00:13:54.000 So a lot of these corporations don't have the spines.

00:13:56.000 They look like any person will take as much space as you give them.

00:13:59.000 But as soon as you put your foot down, they're more than happy to, you know, kind of roll over like a dog and you put on a really loud noise and then roll.

00:14:06.000 I want to make a point for Mr. Mouse here.

00:14:08.000 You have this famous quote about police.

00:14:12.000 What?

00:14:12.000 Every cop is a criminal.

00:14:13.000 No, a more specific quote that a lot of people say.

00:14:16.000 I don't know which one you mean.

00:14:18.000 About killing kids?

00:14:19.000 Oh, there is no law so obscene that the police would not be willing to enforce it up to and including the mass execution of innocent children?

00:14:25.000 Yes.

00:14:26.000 I think there's something similar for corporations.

00:14:29.000 Oh, for sure.

00:14:29.000 I think it's fair to say that there is no path to profit so obscene that a corporation would not pursue it up to and including supporting the pedophilia and grooming of your children.

00:14:41.000 Well, I mean, we see it in like, like, like, like mining and, you know, in very poor countries and like, was it Tropic, was it Dole?

00:14:48.000 Chiquita.

00:14:49.000 Chiquita, yeah, Chiquita Banana with the Banana Republic.

00:14:52.000 Yeah, I think, yeah, that's where the term comes from, I believe.

00:14:53.000 So, you know, again, I think one of the things that corporate media does in dividing people to right and left, Democrat and Republican, is that if conservatives or Republicans hear a leftist argument, they dismiss it out of hand.

00:15:06.000 but I think it would behoove them to listen a little bit more to some of the things that the

00:15:10.000 wrong people are saying because oftentimes there's a kernel truth to them and one of them is that

00:15:14.000 corporate behavior especially internationally is often completely unconscionable. Well I think

00:15:19.000 I saw this with the rise of Trump when I was in Florida or at his rallies.

00:15:25.000 Regular people told me they weren't Republicans.

00:15:27.000 I remember this one specific moment.

00:15:28.000 I was at a Fort Lauderdale rally and I was talking to a middle-aged woman and she was like, I've never voted before.

00:15:35.000 I'm not a Republican.

00:15:36.000 So, you know, I'm just here because Trump's saying things that I like.

00:15:39.000 And I think that's what the Republicans didn't like, this insurgency of regular people.

00:15:44.000 So Trump brought this populist wave in, and now it's no surprise there's popular support

00:15:47.000 among the conservatives and the right to go after woke corporations, because regular people 0.94

00:15:51.000 don't like their kids being screwed with.

00:15:53.000 Whereas previously the establishment Republicans were very much like, hey man, the businesses, 0.96

00:15:58.000 you know, are hooking us up, don't get in the way.

00:16:00.000 Similarly with Democrats, but you know.

00:16:02.000 When you think of someone from Kentucky, you think of the stereotypes, think of the bad stereotypes, think of the good stereotypes, whatever you think. 1.00

00:16:08.000 I don't care if you're a corporation or a government, if you suck, you suck. 1.00

00:16:11.000 Well look at it this way, just to add to your point, to agree with your point. 1.00

00:16:14.000 When you think of someone from Kentucky, you think of the stereotypes, think of the bad

00:16:18.000 stereotypes, think of the good stereotypes, whatever you think.

00:16:20.000 You're not thinking of Mitch McConnell.

00:16:22.000 It's impossible to think of Kentuckians and then think that Mitch McConnell is the guy

00:16:26.000 in Washington who represents what Kentucky means.

00:16:28.000 It's an absurdity.

00:16:30.000 Oh, a pizza arrived.

00:16:34.000 This is courtesy of John Schnatter's Papa John's.

00:16:37.000 Michael screamed and stomped his foot and said, if you don't have my pizza, I'm not doing the show.

00:16:43.000 Starting to smell good in here.

00:16:44.000 Look at me, I'm shameless.

00:16:46.000 Look at me! 0.95

00:16:47.000 First of all, this was put in front of me by some racist in the studio who thought that it would be funny. 0.95

00:16:51.000 That's so crazy.

00:16:52.000 It's not racist if they're not human.

00:16:54.000 Oh my gosh, wow.

00:16:55.000 Yes, because he's a leprechaun.

00:16:57.000 Right, right, right.

00:16:57.000 Which is clever.

00:16:59.000 But also, you can't be racist against white people.

00:17:01.000 I'm pretty sure YouTube allows that, right?

00:17:04.000 Irish people weren't white until being white meant you had to apologize for being white.

00:17:07.000 No, he's absolutely right.

00:17:08.000 There was arguments, including in America in the early 20th century, that regarded in some cases Irish people as part of the black population.

00:17:16.000 You want to hear something interesting?

00:17:16.000 Italians too.

00:17:17.000 You want to hear something interesting?

00:17:18.000 So, where the stereotype of a drunken Irishman comes from?

00:17:22.000 Is drunken Irishman. 0.97

00:17:23.000 Let's be real, bro.

00:17:24.000 We're not going to lie about this.

00:17:25.000 Is Ireland.

00:17:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:26.000 Check this out.

00:17:28.000 We're not going to pretend.

00:17:29.000 Yeah, let's just go with it.

00:17:31.000 Like we're not gonna pretend that was not where the universal truth you're trying you're trying to see you see here's the thing No, not yet Maybe after the show it was in the in the in the turn of the century when poor Irish immigrants were struggling or homeless They would pretend to be drunk so that they would get taken to police stations where they would get a food to eat a place to sleep Yeah, and British people actually have a substantially higher rate of drinking problems than Irish people Well, no, British people have more of a problem with it, but they don't do it as much.

00:18:00.000 They do it more.

00:18:01.000 Thaddeus Russell, in his book Writing a History of the United States, talks about this also, because you had all these super WASP-y factory owners, you had all the Irish people came over, they did their hard work, then they went home and they went drunk, and these WASPs who had the Protestant work ethic Where you thought working hard was inherently moral and relaxing was somehow inherently sinful and something to watch out for. 0.69

00:18:19.000 They were flipping out.

00:18:20.000 They're like, look, these guys are lowlifes. 0.99

00:18:22.000 They're degenerate. 1.00

00:18:23.000 They're subhuman. 0.99

00:18:24.000 They want to go out and have a good time.

00:18:26.000 But as a result of those drunken immigrants, a lot more people started having less work hours, having to pay for overtime. 1.00

00:18:33.000 Wait a minute, if those lowlifes are getting time off, why am I not? 1.00

00:18:36.000 That's how it works.

00:18:37.000 You're saying the labor movement wasn't a bunch of, like, proud leftists raising their fists, it was a bunch of drunken Irishmen doing this? 1.00

00:18:44.000 I'm not talking about even the labor movement, I'm saying this preceded the labor movement.

00:18:48.000 Oh, I know, I'm kidding.

00:18:49.000 You're telling me I do seven days a week?

00:18:51.000 I'm supposed to be there?

00:18:52.000 What am I supposed to drink? 0.92

00:18:53.000 It's ridiculous. 0.76

00:18:54.000 But he had, I mean, that guy you're channeling, I'm assuming your grandfather. 0.88

00:18:58.000 Great, great, great grandfather.

00:18:59.000 He has a point!

00:19:00.000 No, it's true.

00:19:01.000 I studied Guinness, the history of Guinness.

00:19:03.000 Basically, the dock workers would make the beer, or whoever it was would make the beer, and then they'd give all the good beer away, but the Irish, they didn't have any money, so they'd scrape the bottom of the barrels to drink, make the beer out of that goop, and that turned into Guinness, which is my favorite beer personally.

00:19:15.000 Blair White is in the chat.

00:19:16.000 Blair! 0.99

00:19:17.000 She said, damn, Tim Pool's dad will not stop talking. 0.99

00:19:21.000 He's got a lot to say. 0.99

00:19:21.000 I hear he has a book coming out, too. 0.99

00:19:23.000 How strange.

00:19:24.000 Speaking of, how's the book coming along?

00:19:27.000 Oh, sorry, I caught you in the middle of a feasting moment.

00:19:30.000 This is a live show!

00:19:31.000 You can talk later.

00:19:32.000 He's got a job to do.

00:19:33.000 I just passed 150 pages.

00:19:35.000 It's probably gonna be 280, maybe 300, so it should be done.

00:19:38.000 Not long.

00:19:38.000 I have one tough chapter left, and then it'll be all smooth sailing.

00:19:42.000 It's called The White Pill.

00:19:43.000 Do you feel like you're getting white-pilled as you write it?

00:19:45.000 No, because I'm writing about atrocities that are being done to millions of people, including children.

00:19:50.000 I, as I've mentioned before, I've been crying a lot.

00:19:54.000 But this is the kind of thing where when people read it be like, have I never been told this?

00:19:59.000 Are some of these things too spicy to give us an example or?

00:20:03.000 Well, I'll give you one example.

00:20:04.000 This is a very easy one.

00:20:04.000 So I'm writing about the Soviet Union.

00:20:05.000 In the 1930s, you had this big series of purges, right?

00:20:08.000 So you kill the dad, right?

00:20:10.000 Because whatever dubious reason. 0.99

00:20:12.000 Then the wife is arrested because she is a wife of the enemy of the people. 1.00

00:20:15.000 That was the law.

00:20:16.000 And she can't even say, I'm innocent because you were married to him.

00:20:19.000 Now that kid has no parents overnight.

00:20:20.000 They're an orphan.

00:20:21.000 They're beat up at school because you're a kid of the enemy of the people and people who your family was friends with couldn't take you in because why are you taking in this daughter whose dad was a spy?

00:20:30.000 Supposed spy.

00:20:31.000 And now you had a rash of all these kids killing themselves and they're like, what are we gonna do about these kids killing themselves?

00:20:36.000 So this is the kind of like logic that happened in the Soviet Union and these atrocities that the fact that I'm like the only one talking about this is really disturbing to me.

00:20:47.000 And when you have the New York Times saying, this isn't happening, this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

00:20:53.000 There's a Twitter thread going viral.

00:20:56.000 I forget the guy's name, so forgive me, but he talks about why the left is freaking out over the parental rights and education bill so much.

00:21:03.000 Now, there's a meme where someone says, it's not rocket science, guys.

00:21:06.000 They're just evil and they want to do Aaron, Aaron McIntyre.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, but he's wrong.

00:21:08.000 Let's give him credit.

00:21:10.000 And there's a great thread about this that James Lindsay had retweeted.

00:21:12.000 I forgive forgive me to the podcast host who posted because I forget his name.

00:21:16.000 I don't know if you guys want to try and look it up.

00:21:18.000 But what he was saying is, This what's happening, and I think he's saying it's intentional, is revolutionaries need to sever the relationship between child and parent.

00:21:27.000 Yes.

00:21:28.000 And so what they do is they first, in secret, will start explaining to the children why they're evil and bad and why they should feel guilt and shame.

00:21:36.000 Once they've sufficiently made these kids hate their own identity and their parents' identity, they offer up alternative identities.

00:21:43.000 You can now be one of these oppressed minorities. 0.83

00:21:45.000 Pick and choose.

00:21:46.000 You can be anything.

00:21:47.000 It's all a social construct.

00:21:49.000 Then when the parents finally find out and are shocked by what's happening, the kids are already so deeply entrenched in the ideology, That the teachers can then say, see, we told you they'd come at you.

00:21:59.000 You can only trust us.

00:22:01.000 And at a certain age you want to be against your parents, because as a teenager you want to be your own identity, so it's very useful to leverage that kind of natural social age group.

00:22:11.000 I don't know if I could go so far as to say there's an intentional cabal of people doing this, but I can say that whether it's a conspiracy or just it's happening, it is happening this way.

00:22:22.000 And the way this gentleman describes it is, it's because there's a lot of teachers who are following a curriculum that seems to be empathetic to children who are experiencing some issues.

00:22:31.000 And so they're going along with it.

00:22:33.000 But I think the important point, why is the left so hell-bent on lying about what this bill is, calling it Don't Say Gay?

00:22:39.000 Well, the bill also prevents teachers from talking about heterosexual marriage and traditional relationships.

00:22:44.000 Why do they need to frame it this way?

00:22:46.000 The one thing they're truly threatened by.

00:22:48.000 The bill does not prevent teachers from talking to children about being gay.

00:22:52.000 It prevents them from doing it in secret.

00:22:55.000 They can't tell the kids, don't talk to your parents.

00:22:58.000 Many of these teachers are saying they're going to do it anyway.

00:23:00.000 Alright, if you're an adult, and you want to have sexual conversations with 5 to 9 year olds, and you say don't tell your parents, I'm going to go ahead and assume you're grooming these kids.

00:23:08.000 Yep, 100%. 0.76

00:23:09.000 Or worse.

00:23:10.000 What else are you supposed to assume?

00:23:11.000 I mean, it's not being uncharitable.

00:23:12.000 That's the most reasonable possible assumption.

00:23:14.000 And you mentioned that they want to sever children from their parents, and it's very true. 1.00

00:23:19.000 It's debatable whether there's a concerted effort, but you see this in media all the time. 0.99

00:23:23.000 The family unit is consistently attacked, and basically every television program The father is always a complete moron who can't do anything right and that's because if you want to go after any structure you start by attacking the authority and so it's been seared into an entire generation of people if not two or three generations on some level that dad is stupid and not to be respected and made fun of and I think part of it 0.92

00:23:44.000 Is just a result of the fact that a lot of artistic people who go into Hollywood don't have great relationships with their fathers, generally speaking. 0.95

00:23:50.000 I think that's more typical, not always the case. 0.99

00:23:52.000 I think it's a reaction of feminism, because feminists for a long time were claiming that you shouldn't show women as being stupid, but that only leaves the guys. 0.99

00:23:58.000 Yeah, I think there's truth in that too. 0.99

00:24:01.000 But even if you go back to the honeymooners, which I would say is before feminism had saturated the culture as much, the husband was still sort of weak and stupid and very lucky to have his wife. 0.99

00:24:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:10.000 Yeah, but he would always threaten to beat his wife. 0.57

00:24:11.000 That's true.

00:24:12.000 That's true. 0.97

00:24:13.000 They did soften these types of characters with feminism, but there is this interesting trope of like dad being a hapless fool. 0.96

00:24:19.000 The Flintstones. 0.95

00:24:20.000 The Simpsons.

00:24:21.000 I absolutely have to shout out Futurama.

00:24:24.000 American Dad. 1.00

00:24:25.000 The wife on American Dad is dumb. 1.00

00:24:26.000 Well, no, no. 1.00

00:24:27.000 In Futurama, they go to the moon and it's a thousand years in the future.

00:24:30.000 And they're watching The Honeymooners and it's like, one of these days, bang, zoom, straight to the moon.

00:24:37.000 And then Lila's like, I didn't realize 20th century astronauts were so fat. 0.80

00:24:41.000 And then Fry's like, he's not an astronaut.

00:24:43.000 And he was just using beating his wife as a metaphor for, or he was using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife.

00:24:49.000 I'm wondering if in all this division of family in the Soviet Union when they did it, were there kids that basically had their beliefs shattered and then reformed and then at some point realized, maybe even too late, like what have we done as the government turns on them? 0.52

00:25:01.000 Like, are these people that are like useful pawns, are they turned on eventually?

00:25:05.000 Oh yeah, I mean, then Stalin turned on the secret police, and then he turned on the top of the military, which was a major problem in World War II, because all the military geniuses were killed.

00:25:13.000 Another thing that they taught in the Soviet Union, very famously, was the story of Pavlik Morozov, who was this little boy whose dad was like a hoarding grain.

00:25:22.000 And he turned his dad into the authorities and his dad killed him.

00:25:25.000 This is a completely made-up story, but there were statues built to him and like songs about him because you're taught in school if your parents are doing something wrong, you have to inform on them, and if you're killed, you basically become a saint.

00:25:36.000 This is the greatest thing you can do.

00:25:37.000 Michael, do you watch anime?

00:25:39.000 God, no.

00:25:40.000 You need to watch Attack on Titan.

00:25:42.000 I disagree with that.

00:25:42.000 I've never heard the word need used more incorrectly.

00:25:45.000 And so there's a meme of like an AI Jordan Peterson saying watch Attack on Titan.

00:25:49.000 And you know why?

00:25:50.000 Because he wanted iTunes gift cards.

00:25:54.000 I don't actually expect you to watch it.

00:25:55.000 So I'm just gonna spoil the gist of it for you.

00:25:57.000 It's already spoiled.

00:25:58.000 It's anime.

00:25:58.000 Yeah, so the first season... First, you're gonna love this.

00:26:03.000 The first season... Oh yeah, one more thing I just gotta say.

00:26:05.000 The only cartoons I watch are Freedom Tunes!

00:26:07.000 Thank you so much!

00:26:09.000 Much appreciated.

00:26:10.000 The first season is... There's this... The last city, it's surrounded by three walls, and there are giant humanoid monsters called Titans that eat people.

00:26:18.000 Yeah, I've seen the preview.

00:26:19.000 And they're invincible. What it's really about is that there was a great nation that somehow came

00:26:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:25.000 into the power to become titans and use it to conquer the world. Eventually the nation crumbles,

00:26:29.000 I'm not going to spoil too much, and now in the future these people are effectively in a prison

00:26:33.000 to pay the sins of their ancestors. In the mainland where some of these people are called

00:26:38.000 Elian still live, the now dominant country says you're evil because of what your ancestors did

00:26:44.000 and so you're they're forced to live on reservations.

00:26:46.000 And then they're basically treated like second-class citizens.

00:26:49.000 People say, like, whenever they come in a situation with someone, they're like, yeah, well, you have the evil blood within you.

00:26:57.000 So there's a scene where a kid turns his parents in because they're trying to rebel against the government because you know they refused.

00:27:03.000 They believe in the greatness of themselves and things like that.

00:27:06.000 There's a whole bunch of themes that that talk about a lot of what we're going through with sins of the father, white privilege, Gulags and all of that stuff and that's what the show is really about and so at first I was like I gotta be honest when when someone told me it's about people who like use these ropes to fight Giants I'm like I really don't want to watch that yeah And then when the robot Jordan Peterson said you gotta watch attack on Titan or you can do private you have to watch it on right now watch attack on Titan embody the archetypal hero sit on your couch, so I watched it and then it's like

00:27:38.000 It's crazy how there's like one scene where there's two little girls and one little girl's mother was killed, but she's the evil race. 1.00

00:27:46.000 And so then the one girl, she's like, your people are evil and your mother deserved to die. 1.00

00:27:51.000 And she's like, why? 0.98

00:27:52.000 My mother didn't do anything to anybody. 0.99

00:27:53.000 And she's like, because of your blood. 0.80

00:27:55.000 It's brutal, man.

00:27:56.000 The show's so cool.

00:27:57.000 And then there's, like, people zipping around and fighting giants, so I guess that's a plus.

00:28:00.000 But there's also, like, that reminds me of Fantastic Planet, which is, you know, a movie about, like, the giants calling humans as pets.

00:28:06.000 And it's a parable for Czechoslovakia and the Soviet occupation.

00:28:11.000 Oh, wow.

00:28:12.000 Was that how they were treating the Czechs?

00:28:14.000 You would love this movie, Ian, because this is the most, like, psychedelic movie.

00:28:19.000 Like, it's made by paper cutouts.

00:28:20.000 You've probably seen the iconography.

00:28:21.000 What's it called again?

00:28:22.000 Fantastic Planet.

00:28:23.000 Thank you.

00:28:24.000 There's no way you won't love this movie.

00:28:26.000 And what's really crazy is if you watch a certain version, it's dubbed, but the subtitles don't match the dubbing.

00:28:26.000 Oh, wow.

00:28:32.000 They're slightly different translations.

00:28:34.000 So you're watching it, it's a complete, it screws with your head completely.

00:28:37.000 It's interesting how stuff like that works in a cinema, like the idea that Godzilla is actually a metaphor for nuclear weapons.

00:28:42.000 Was it?

00:28:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:43.000 Yeah.

00:28:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:44.000 And it's Gojira.

00:28:45.000 Gojira.

00:28:45.000 Well, I'm sorry, Tim.

00:28:47.000 Uncultured.

00:28:47.000 He's half Asian, you know.

00:28:49.000 I was just doing an April Fool's joke.

00:28:50.000 In case you haven't heard.

00:28:51.000 I was just doing an April Fool's joke.

00:28:53.000 Of course it's Gojira. 0.96

00:28:54.000 As a factoid, it is Gojira, but because the Japanese people were saying Gojira, Americans thought it was an accent for Godzilla.

00:29:02.000 Wasn't Jackie Gleason in the first movie?

00:29:05.000 Or Orson Welles?

00:29:05.000 Was he?

00:29:06.000 It was some major person was in the first movie.

00:29:08.000 First Godzilla?

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:10.000 It is kind of crazy that there was a show where like the joke was he was gonna beat his wife and the audience would laugh.

00:29:14.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:29:15.000 I'm gonna beat my wife. 1.00

00:29:16.000 Humphrey Bogart used to smack women in the movies and people would be like, I love him. 1.00

00:29:20.000 Best, best performance.

00:29:21.000 A lot less backtalk in those movies.

00:29:23.000 Yeah, it's very cultural.

00:29:24.000 Hey, I wanted, you brought up April Fool's.

00:29:24.000 Truth.

00:29:26.000 I wanted to give you a little history on April Fool's.

00:29:28.000 Well, I'm just going to say whatever you're about to say.

00:29:31.000 It's probably contested.

00:29:32.000 It's because no one knows.

00:29:32.000 It's probably a joke.

00:29:33.000 Don't trust me.

00:29:34.000 Did you look up Snopes?

00:29:35.000 No.

00:29:36.000 I don't believe it.

00:29:37.000 Snopes.com.

00:29:39.000 Those from Markah.com.

00:29:40.000 I've never heard of it.

00:29:40.000 Yeah.

00:29:41.000 It's quick.

00:29:42.000 It's not that April Fool's, it's thought came from about 1582 as France made a change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar.

00:29:48.000 April 1st was the first day of the year in the Julian calendar.

00:29:51.000 And then when they changed it to January, they started making fun of, you said, probably making fun of people that still lived under the Julian calendar as they're all now Gregorian.

00:29:58.000 So, I- and I mentioned that before we started the show.

00:30:00.000 I mentioned that before starting the show.

00:30:02.000 My citation was an episode of The Simpsons.

00:30:04.000 Perfect.

00:30:06.000 I also just wanna- I wanna do one thing.

00:30:08.000 For everybody who's listening, put a 1 in the chat if you think that Michael Malice will finish the whole pizza by himself.

00:30:15.000 I'm not gonna finish the whole pizza.

00:30:16.000 Michael how is Austin?

00:30:17.000 Is he lying?

00:30:17.000 I gotta ask you.

00:30:18.000 That's the question.

00:30:19.000 There's no way I'm finishing this.

00:30:20.000 Hit the like button if you think he's lying.

00:30:24.000 Also if you think he's telling the truth.

00:30:26.000 Also hit the like button if you think he's telling the truth.

00:30:27.000 And send a dollar to PayPal at MichaelMiles.com if you think I'm lying.

00:30:31.000 Dude, Michael, how is Austin?

00:30:32.000 I gotta ask you.

00:30:33.000 I gotta know.

00:30:34.000 I am so, so, so happy every day in Austin.

00:30:38.000 I can't even begin to tell you.

00:30:40.000 And I'll give you a rundown of reasons why.

00:30:42.000 First of all, I didn't realize to what extent living in- I was just in LA last weekend signing hardcovers.

00:30:48.000 I didn't realize to what extent living in New York, I had this background music of anxiety and tension.

00:30:54.000 And I don't have any of that in Austin.

00:30:55.000 Second, Austin is such a Venn diagram of different scenes making it happen, and everyone is very collegial.

00:31:03.000 Like, they all get together, and when you meet people, you're friendly.

00:31:06.000 In New York, when I would go to an event or meet someone, I'd have to bite my tongue, like, who is this person?

00:31:11.000 Are they gonna be annoying?

00:31:12.000 Are they gonna smile out to my face, then go on Twitter and blast me?

00:31:15.000 There's none of that in Austin.

00:31:17.000 The restaurant scene is not what it could be.

00:31:17.000 There's things I miss.

00:31:19.000 Austin closes down early.

00:31:20.000 There's no like diners.

00:31:21.000 So if it's like 1am, you want to get a bite, you go on IHOP, which was a situation.

00:31:25.000 But I am turning my house into like this get together space so that all the people coming through can, I throw these little events, everyone can meet each other and hang out.

00:31:34.000 And I did only one so far and it's worked absolutely swimmingly.

00:31:36.000 I have a question.

00:31:38.000 Do diners in New York City take reservations?

00:31:40.000 No.

00:31:41.000 Oh.

00:31:42.000 I don't get it.

00:31:43.000 So I had a tweet that went viral on Reddit.

00:31:45.000 The left was attacking me because I said I went to a diner and they sat someone before me so I got mad and left.

00:31:51.000 And they were just like, Tim Poole doesn't know what reservations are.

00:31:53.000 At a diner?!

00:31:54.000 But the reason I asked is I was like, maybe the people who are sharing all of this live in New York and New York is so crowded that they would take reservations at diners.

00:32:02.000 Never.

00:32:02.000 Too charitable, man.

00:32:03.000 They're just dumb. 1.00

00:32:04.000 Yeah, I guess so. 1.00

00:32:05.000 That explains it.

00:32:05.000 I worked at like a nice diner.

00:32:07.000 It wasn't a diner.

00:32:08.000 That's the thing.

00:32:08.000 It was a French-Canadian restaurant that served diner-ish, but really high-end food.

00:32:11.000 We definitely took reservations, but it wasn't a diner, you know?

00:32:14.000 It wasn't like, you know, you get your diner food, your $7.95.

00:32:17.000 There is a restaurant in New York, I don't know if it survived COVID, called Diner, but they did take reservations, but obviously that wasn't your menu.

00:32:25.000 Yeah, I've never been to a diner that took reservations. 0.93

00:32:28.000 It was the weirdest thing to me when the left was like, Tim Pool is so dumb, he doesn't know what a reservation is. 0.71

00:32:31.000 And I was like, bro, we're at a diner. 0.98

00:32:34.000 You walk in and there's one haggard old lady with a cigarette going, wait, do you want to sit? 1.00

00:32:39.000 No, she goes, sit any way you want, honey.

00:32:41.000 Well, no, they were like, there's a wait, there's a 20 minute wait.

00:32:44.000 And then I was like, okay.

00:32:44.000 And then they sat actually two groups before us.

00:32:47.000 And I was like, okay, I'm leaving.

00:32:48.000 I'm not... 0.60

00:32:49.000 And then I tweeted about it kind of as like a half joke, because I just tweet to be silly, but also because I was making a point about being a disagreeable person on petty bullshit, and the point being that it helps you in business, being disagreeable, especially on petty things.

00:33:07.000 You don't want to be a dick to people, but if you're unwilling to compromise for small things, then you'll tend to get better deals. 0.92

00:33:13.000 And you have to establish your own boundaries, too. 0.86

00:33:16.000 I'll give you an example.

00:33:16.000 This actually happened.

00:33:18.000 I flew to L.A.

00:33:21.000 because I was being interviewed for some HBO documentary, which I'll get into.

00:33:25.000 That's a future date.

00:33:27.000 And they were dragging their feet about booking my planes, so I'm like, I'll just do it myself.

00:33:32.000 You guys can pay me back.

00:33:34.000 I booked the flight, I get back, I do a killer interview, they really liked it, great.

00:33:38.000 And they're like, alright, before you get reimbursed, you need to fill out this W-2 or W-9.

00:33:43.000 And I go, you have all the information you need, you have my PayPal address, and you have the receipt, you can choose to pay me back or not, that's your prerogative, I'm not doing one more thing.

00:33:53.000 And they were like, well, we have to.

00:33:53.000 I'm like, you have, I've said my pieces on Yes Discuss, they paid me.

00:33:57.000 But that's the kind of thing where that was me being very, very petty.

00:34:01.000 But it's amazing how companies will make you jump through hoops, even when you're helping them.

00:34:06.000 And I'm very big on really being obnoxious about it and drawing the line ahead of time, because otherwise, they'll just keep asking for more and more and more.

00:34:12.000 No, I totally agree.

00:34:14.000 Why wouldn't they?

00:34:15.000 Yeah, the machine craves profit.

00:34:17.000 Why wouldn't they?

00:34:18.000 It rules.

00:34:20.000 Leverage is everything.

00:34:20.000 So you go into a business meeting, if you go in with a mentality of desperation and need, you've lost. 100%.

00:34:28.000 If you genuinely need, well, that's your position.

00:34:31.000 So, you know, I've been in positions where I go into a business meeting knowing like, if I don't get this deal, I'm screwed.

00:34:37.000 And I walk in and I'm like, what do you have to offer?

00:34:39.000 And they'll be like, we're going to pay you this much.

00:34:40.000 And I'll be like, make it a little bit more.

00:34:41.000 And they go, okay.

00:34:42.000 I'm like, all right, thank you very much.

00:34:44.000 I've been in business meetings where I didn't need anything from them.

00:34:46.000 And I walk in, they're like, we want to pay you, you know, a hundred thousand.

00:34:49.000 I'd be like, give me half a million.

00:34:50.000 And they go, we can't afford that.

00:34:52.000 I'll go, well, thank you for your time.

00:34:53.000 Yeah.

00:34:53.000 You know, you've got nothing for me.

00:34:55.000 Yeah, when you go into a meeting or an interview or whatever, you want to ask them, what can you give me?

00:35:00.000 Can you give me what I need?

00:35:02.000 Even if you're the one desperately in need, don't let them know that.

00:35:05.000 You put them on the defensive and you ask them if they can give you the things that you need.

00:35:08.000 And let me say one more thing, kids. 0.74

00:35:10.000 If the filthy hippie is telling you to walk in the business meeting and say, give me, give me, give me, you know it's coming from a place of truth. 0.94

00:35:16.000 Of psychedelic, yeah. 0.94

00:35:17.000 One of my favorite bits of advice I gave to somebody They got a job offer at a company I worked at.

00:35:25.000 It was Vice.

00:35:26.000 And I told my friend, like, hey, I'm putting in a good word for you.

00:35:30.000 I could use your help.

00:35:30.000 Tell them you want this job.

00:35:31.000 And he said, okay.

00:35:32.000 He emails.

00:35:34.000 He messaged me back saying, hey, I'm not going to take the job.

00:35:36.000 They're only offering me 60k a year.

00:35:38.000 And I said, well, how much do you want?

00:35:40.000 And he was like, I don't know.

00:35:41.000 I don't really want the job.

00:35:42.000 And I said, okay, would you do the job for 80?

00:35:43.000 And he goes, no.

00:35:44.000 I said, would you do the job for 90?

00:35:46.000 And he goes, no.

00:35:47.000 Like, would you do the job for 120?

00:35:48.000 And he goes, well, 120, yeah.

00:35:51.000 And I was like, so that's your answer.

00:35:52.000 Email back.

00:35:53.000 There's no no in business.

00:35:54.000 There's just terms.

00:35:55.000 And he was like, you want me to email back telling them to double their offer?

00:35:57.000 And I was like, you don't want the job any.

00:35:59.000 What's your worst case scenario?

00:36:00.000 You don't get a job you didn't want?

00:36:01.000 And he was like, oh, okay.

00:36:03.000 He emailed them and they were like, we appreciate your response, but we're unable to pay that much.

00:36:07.000 And he was like, okay.

00:36:08.000 And then I was like, what was your worst case scenario?

00:36:10.000 And he's like, nothing.

00:36:11.000 And they came to me and they were like, your friend asked for a lot of money.

00:36:13.000 And I was like, yeah, he didn't really want the job.

00:36:14.000 No, but in their heads, your friend is worth a lot of money.

00:36:18.000 They're going to reach out to him next time instead of being, now they're going to know what his price is.

00:36:22.000 Exactly.

00:36:23.000 So it'll save everybody a lot of time.

00:36:24.000 So here's what I love asking people.

00:36:26.000 I think I brought this up on the show a year ago or so.

00:36:29.000 Michael, if you had a phone call tomorrow morning No.

00:36:33.000 from McDonald's. Corporate HQ said, Michael, we want you to run the cash register at our

00:36:38.000 Displains, Illinois location off of, you know, 355 or wherever. I don't know.

00:36:44.000 What would you say to them? No.

00:36:46.000 For you, it might be, I would be reticent or reluctant to say wrong answer, but

00:36:52.000 that is typically the wrong answer in business.

00:36:55.000 I don't think there's any amount of money I would do that for.

00:36:56.000 It's not the money that's the issue.

00:36:59.000 I'd have to sacrifice my entire career and all that I'm working towards.

00:37:01.000 That's what I say for you.

00:37:02.000 But for the average person, the answer is, how much?

00:37:04.000 Yeah, right.

00:37:05.000 Give me $200,000 a year.

00:37:07.000 $200,000?

00:37:07.000 But for a lot of people, they would gladly do $200,000.

00:37:10.000 I was going to say less.

00:37:11.000 I was going to be like, tell McDonald's you want $100,000 to work the register.

00:37:14.000 Most people are going to be like, yeah!

00:37:15.000 But then you've got to move.

00:37:16.000 That's true, you know.

00:37:18.000 That's very expensive, not to have friends.

00:37:19.000 And business is all just about the terms and the leverage you're willing to make.

00:37:24.000 So the more you're willing to sacrifice, the more leverage you have, the more you win.

00:37:29.000 So if you're like, look buddy, I'm willing to sleep on a park bench and I got nothing to lose.

00:37:34.000 You're paying me what I want or you're not getting me.

00:37:36.000 They're going to be like, oh man, I guess we have to.

00:37:39.000 But some people have families.

00:37:40.000 Or they go, ah, I guess we really don't want him.

00:37:42.000 Yeah, fine, whatever, and then go sleep on a bench.

00:37:44.000 I actually had this happen to me.

00:37:46.000 I was working, I had a meeting with a celebrity when I was doing my co-authoring stuff, and we really, really hit it off.

00:37:53.000 And I had my standard fee, and they came back with half of it.

00:37:58.000 And in retrospect, I have to appreciate that that was their move.

00:38:01.000 It's like, oh yeah, you're asking for X, how about half X?

00:38:04.000 What have they got to lose?

00:38:05.000 I was livid, and I don't even remember if I took that project or not, or if I, I know I did fold.

00:38:09.000 You know what I do?

00:38:10.000 I don't respond to them.

00:38:12.000 Oh.

00:38:12.000 Yeah.

00:38:13.000 I actually snapped at one of the biggest production companies and distributors in the world.

00:38:20.000 I had this big business meeting, I'm in a room with like 10 people, and I don't want to give away too much information for the sake of their privacy because they work with some people, very very famous personalities.

00:38:28.000 They sent me a contract with the most insane and ridiculous terms I'd ever seen.

00:38:32.000 And I responded back with, is this a joke? 0.69

00:38:35.000 Please, if you'd like to do a deal with me, come back with a real contract.

00:38:38.000 And they said, this is normal in business.

00:38:40.000 You would hire an attorney who would amend the contract. 0.99

00:38:43.000 And I said, if you think I'm gonna spend five grand to correct your bullshit, it's not happening. 0.97

00:38:48.000 And so I just said, feel free never to email me again, because I'm not gonna waste my time one second further. 0.97

00:38:53.000 Yeah, that happened to me not that long also, where there's some congressman from Brooklyn, I forget his name.

00:38:58.000 His chief of staff just emailed me.

00:38:59.000 He's like, oh, we'd love to have a congressman on your show.

00:39:01.000 I go, how about like one hour on Monday?

00:39:01.000 Great.

00:39:04.000 We could talk about his background because he had an interesting background.

00:39:06.000 And they go, oh, he'd only be available for 20 minutes.

00:39:09.000 And how about on Wednesday?

00:39:09.000 It's like I have an hour long show.

00:39:10.000 I didn't respond.

00:39:11.000 It's just like, you're pushing him onto my show.

00:39:14.000 And then you want me to restructure the whole show for you? 0.99

00:39:16.000 Who the hell are you?

00:39:16.000 Yeah, but there's there's something about not being Joe Rogan, I guess, to use it for lack of a better analogy, where these people think you're willing to take this because we get we get hit up fairly often from people who are like, Can I ask you, do you think it's that not being Joe Rogan or the fact that they're so oblivious to how podcasting works and how the internet works that they really don't think in terms of CNN hits?

00:39:36.000 Maybe, but I'm pretty sure if they reached out to Joe and Joe was like, I'd love to have him on the show, they would say, tell us how, you know, where to jump and how high.

00:39:43.000 Like, just let us know what you need.

00:39:44.000 Here's why I think you're wrong.

00:39:46.000 Because when I, when the new write came out in, I believe, 2019, I got booked to do Rogan and I got booked to do Ruben, who was very big at the time, both of them, obviously.

00:39:55.000 And I asked my publisher if they had money for travel, which they don't always do, and that's fair.

00:40:01.000 And they told me in writing, just the head of publicity, no, they can do Skype.

00:40:05.000 So this was 2019, and the idea that I got on Rogan to promote this book, and I'm gonna call him up and be, hey Joe, we're doing Skype, is so removed from what is, you and I would regard as normal or sane, that a lot of times I have to wonder what planet these people are on.

00:40:21.000 It's true, but we've gotten hit up by people who work in a similar space.

00:40:26.000 And they'll be like, hey, this celebrity, this prominent personality can come on your show, but you'll have to pre-record or move your schedule.

00:40:33.000 And I'm like, you guys work in the same industry.

00:40:36.000 And you know what else they don't realize is a lot of these people that are maybe big names for people who read OK Magazine, if that's still a thing, you're not going to get the big numbers having them on the show because it's going to be vanilla.

00:40:45.000 They're not going to say anything interesting.

00:40:47.000 And it's going to be like people tune in, but you're not going to have the traction.

00:40:50.000 Exactly.

00:40:50.000 They think because they get a bunch of views on their platform, which was provided for them by someone else who built it, that you're lucky to have them on your show to collaborate with them.

00:40:58.000 It's like, well, but they're not interested.

00:40:59.000 Let's hard segue back to the politics stuff we were talking about.

00:41:02.000 I wanted to ask you, Michael, about... Let's talk about what's going on with Russia and Ukraine.

00:41:06.000 Obviously, you were born in Ukraine.

00:41:07.000 Uh-huh.

00:41:07.000 Lviv.

00:41:08.000 Lviv, I guess now.

00:41:09.000 Lviv, yeah, yeah.

00:41:10.000 I'm just curious what your thoughts are, what's going on.

00:41:11.000 You know, Russia said they were going to shut off... Here's the big news.

00:41:14.000 Russia threatened to shut off gas to Europe unless they opened bank accounts that would hold their currency, U.S.

00:41:19.000 dollars and euro, which would then do an exchange for rubles.

00:41:22.000 And April 1st came, and Putin did nothing. 0.99

00:41:25.000 Like a whiny little bitch, he failed to uphold his own threat against these nations. 0.99

00:41:32.000 So I'm curious, you know, your thoughts on what's happening. 1.00

00:41:34.000 I've been asked this more than anyone.

00:41:36.000 This is probably the question I get asked a lot and like people blowing up my phone.

00:41:39.000 And I pride myself on trying to have an interesting perspective or at least say something uninteresting in an interesting way.

00:41:46.000 And I got nothing on Russia-Ukraine for the very simple reason that I don't understand Putin's endgame.

00:41:53.000 I don't understand how he thought this was going to end up. 0.99

00:41:56.000 I can tell you that anyone who just says he's stupid or he's crazy, that just means they don't know either. 0.99

00:42:01.000 They're just using this kind of word to kind of do the work. 1.00

00:42:05.000 I just assumed you knew that the Spear of Destiny has been buried in Western Russia.

00:42:09.000 The Holy Lance.

00:42:10.000 Vladimir Putin going for the Spear of Destiny.

00:42:14.000 I raised like five grand for Ukrainian refugees.

00:42:18.000 My dad was recently, he had business in Ukraine.

00:42:21.000 He was on a train getting out of there and he was seating next to some kid and the kid kept crying saying, they're going to kill my dad, they're going to kill my dad.

00:42:28.000 I heard this through my sister and my dad, who I've never seen cry in my life, who was kind of, which is a big surprise looking at me. 0.98

00:42:35.000 kind of an ass and not a very nice person just like myself. 0.87

00:42:40.000 For him to lose it really says a lot, which is why I was comfortable raising all that money. What 0.97

00:42:44.000 is not in dispute is that millions of people fled war, understandably. And my concerns are

00:42:49.000 also with the Russian population, mind you. Like the fact that someone's living in Russia now

00:42:53.000 they can't use their phone or they can't use some bank account just seems crazy to me

00:42:57.000 unless we're talking about high up people.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, but look at what Russia is back on track. 0.67

00:43:00.000 Well, yeah, and the ruble has restored its value.

00:43:03.000 They turned McDonald's, they turned the M like sideways to make it a B and now it's

00:43:07.000 called like Uncle something. No, is it really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:10.000 They've repurposed. What Joe Biden has done is he severed the ties between Russia and the West.

00:43:18.000 These restaurants still exist.

00:43:19.000 Right.

00:43:20.000 The Russian supply chain still exists.

00:43:22.000 So Putin basically is like going to industry and saying, get what you can.

00:43:26.000 That's why Putin threatened Europe.

00:43:27.000 He said, you've got to open Russian bank accounts.

00:43:29.000 It's forcing Western nations to open Russian banks, propping up their financial industry or their financial sector.

00:43:36.000 As you and I mentioned a little before the show started, what they're doing is an enormous attack on the value of the dollar, whether by design or otherwise.

00:43:47.000 And if I'm a businessman and I see what happened with Canada with the trucker convoy, and I see what's happening with inflation here, and I see that my money is not going to be safe in US or Western banks, I'm going to put my money elsewhere to make sure that money retains or increases in value.

00:44:04.000 And that is a very dangerous, slippery slope we are going down, whether by design or otherwise.

00:44:09.000 Well, you heard the BlackRock guy saying, put your seatbelts on, it's going to get real bad.

00:44:13.000 Inflation?

00:44:14.000 But I think we all knew, because one of the things that we all talked about in like early 2020, mid 2020 is you can't just shut down all industry and not have an economic like massive consequence.

00:44:26.000 Like that's not a thing or else every so often we could just be like school teachers just not work for three months a year.

00:44:31.000 So at some point those chickens are going to have to come home to roost.

00:44:33.000 This is not in dispute.

00:44:34.000 No one doubted that.

00:44:35.000 So you've got to find places to put your dollars.

00:44:39.000 What does the average person do?

00:44:41.000 Right?

00:44:41.000 I mean, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, it's going to be like Venezuela.

00:44:43.000 Get your money and spend it immediately on whatever you can.

00:44:45.000 I would, honestly, I'm not going to, this is going to sound like a joke, but I would put in crypto.

00:44:50.000 I think crypto is going to be a much better store of value in the short term, let alone the long term than the U.S.

00:44:55.000 dollar.

00:44:56.000 I think crypto is what the World Economic Forum is hoping for.

00:44:59.000 You think so?

00:45:00.000 Absolutely.

00:45:01.000 Digital currency.

00:45:02.000 No, not their digital currency.

00:45:03.000 I mean, things like Bitcoin or Ethereum.

00:45:05.000 I know.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, I know.

00:45:06.000 They're stoked on it.

00:45:07.000 They're very excited for it.

00:45:09.000 Bitcoin will be their gold, and they'll use... Ethereum is on the Amazon Web Services, right?

00:45:15.000 AWS?

00:45:16.000 I don't know.

00:45:17.000 Ethereum is basically a company, right?

00:45:19.000 So Bitcoin is decentralized.

00:45:22.000 That's resilient.

00:45:23.000 But I think the elite, the World Economic Forum, Davos Group types, they are betting on this.

00:45:29.000 You don't think crypto is a better store of value than the U.S.

00:45:32.000 dollar?

00:45:32.000 Oh, it absolutely is.

00:45:33.000 Oh, that's all I'm saying.

00:45:34.000 Yeah, no, when Klaus Schwab and these international corporations are betting on Bitcoin, you bet along with them, right?

00:45:42.000 Yeah.

00:45:44.000 Here's what people are doing to make money.

00:45:45.000 They look where Nancy Pelosi is investing and they invest right along with her.

00:45:49.000 Yeah, because she's got an inside track, right? 0.99

00:45:51.000 I told this before, I don't know if you know this, but I went to Davos in, I think it was 2017.

00:45:57.000 I have friends who set up a peripheral event outside of the World Economic Forum at the base of the mountain or whatever in Davos.

00:46:03.000 The whole city becomes events, pop-ups and bars, and crypto was the theme.

00:46:09.000 Everyone there was like, crypto, crypto is everything.

00:46:12.000 So I bought a bunch of crypto, and I'm very happy that I did.

00:46:16.000 I think these elites, They want digital currency.

00:46:22.000 Bitcoin's trackable.

00:46:23.000 They can see everything you're doing.

00:46:26.000 And so it's perfect for them.

00:46:28.000 They can ban you. 1.00

00:46:30.000 They can shut down your account.

00:46:31.000 They can ban addresses.

00:46:32.000 If I've got cash, I can pull out a $5 bill and hand it to Ian in exchange for a beanie or something.

00:46:37.000 But if we're doing Bitcoin, my address can get blocked on the network if they control transactions.

00:46:42.000 So the Bitcoin... Let me clarify this.

00:46:46.000 If they can get control of apps, if they can get control of financial institutions, there are companies that facilitate Bitcoin transactions.

00:46:54.000 You'll always be able to have your rudimentary decentralized service, and you can find an open source way to transfer Bitcoin.

00:46:54.000 Sure.

00:47:01.000 But for the average person, look, you can put stacks of cash under your mattress, or you can put it in Bank of America.

00:47:07.000 You put it in Bank of America, the government can take your money from you.

00:47:10.000 So that's what they want.

00:47:11.000 It gives them substantially more control.

00:47:13.000 You'll be less likely to be holding any kind of cash.

00:47:15.000 You won't be.

00:47:16.000 So, no one's going to- no one right now- No average person is gonna open up a Coinbase account and an open-source third-party wallet because it's gonna be too confusing for them or they're not gonna care.

00:47:27.000 If they are into crypto, it's gonna be because it was simplified by, say, Coinbase or Gemini or something.

00:47:31.000 Sure.

00:47:32.000 And the government can easily seize all that stuff, so it gives them more control.

00:47:35.000 It's like we saw when they tried to do that thing where they were gonna track all accounts that had 600 bucks or more in transactions.

00:47:41.000 Right, yeah.

00:47:42.000 This is the path forward for them.

00:47:43.000 That being said, despite all that, yeah, I bought a bunch of crypto recently.

00:47:49.000 But I also think that this is a huge market incentive to provide wallets that are as easy to use as Coinbase.

00:47:55.000 For example, Apple, a couple years ago, made it so that even Apple couldn't get into their own iPhones.

00:48:01.000 Because then they were like, if we leave a backdoor for law enforcement, that's a backdoor for hackers too.

00:48:06.000 It's got to be open source.

00:48:07.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:48:09.000 But don't you think the Bitcoin people know this?

00:48:11.000 They're the kings of open source stuff.

00:48:11.000 Yes.

00:48:13.000 Yeah, we were looking at crypto payment systems.

00:48:15.000 Metamask is not open source at the moment, which is a little disturbing.

00:48:18.000 And that means any company can have the government go to them, issue a national security letter, then you're gone.

00:48:22.000 And you wouldn't know.

00:48:23.000 Like, that's the problem with when the source isn't open, you don't know what their code is doing.

00:48:27.000 It could be feeding data to the FBI as we speak.

00:48:29.000 Coinbase could be very well and you wouldn't know.

00:48:31.000 I'm sure they are.

00:48:32.000 I would be surprised if they weren't.

00:48:33.000 Of course they are.

00:48:34.000 Bitcoin is still, you know, the bee's niece, right?

00:48:38.000 Regardless of what bad people want to do with it, don't let that stop you from recognizing how powerful it is and how it can greatly, you know, help people.

00:48:45.000 But also recognize the risks.

00:48:46.000 At the present time.

00:48:47.000 I'm not telling anybody to buy anything.

00:48:49.000 Keep that in mind, guys.

00:48:50.000 No financial advice for me.

00:48:51.000 I'm just saying, don't, you know, do your own research and figure out what makes sense for you.

00:48:55.000 In my personal opinion, for me, I bought ABA.

00:48:57.000 At what point can the cops institute civil asset forfeiture?

00:49:00.000 What level of cash do you have to have on you before they can just take it for no reason?

00:49:04.000 It's not a level of cash, it's even a dollar.

00:49:06.000 It's just a measure of them deciding that it was used in a drug transaction.

00:49:10.000 And not only that, but let's be real, Ian, they can take your shirt off your back and then lie about it.

00:49:15.000 That's so brutal.

00:49:16.000 But I mean, legally, they could take my money and be like, we thought he was planning on spending it on something illegal.

00:49:22.000 So he took his money.

00:49:23.000 Or he got this money because he sold drugs.

00:49:24.000 You see that story about a woman, a dog, sniffed her out.

00:49:27.000 She had a bunch of money in a briefcase.

00:49:29.000 She had like, what did she have, like a hundred grand or something?

00:49:31.000 And then the cops were like smiling, saying like, we took this money from a woman.

00:49:35.000 And everyone was like, I tweeted this.

00:49:36.000 I was like, so you're saying you just robbed some lady? 0.91

00:49:38.000 And everybody was like, yo, they said she didn't commit any crimes.

00:49:38.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 They just took her money. 1.00

00:49:43.000 Those are the only dogs you're allowed to hate.

00:49:46.000 Drug dogs?

00:49:47.000 But can they take the money and say we're just taking it because we think you're going to commit a crime?

00:49:50.000 They have to say that you did?

00:49:52.000 So this is how asset forfeiture works and there's a lot of movement right now in politics, thank God, to rein this in.

00:49:58.000 For the first time, I think, in the last year or the year before, more money was seized through asset forfeiture than through all burglaries combined.

00:50:04.000 So basically, it goes to this medieval concept where if I kill you with a sword, the sword is guilty and the sword can be destroyed.

00:50:11.000 This was like a thing.

00:50:12.000 So basically, what their point is, well, we're not going to allow, as part of the drug war, people to enrich themselves through drug dealing and so on and so forth.

00:50:21.000 So I go to your house, I've decided that you're a drug dealer, so on and so forth.

00:50:25.000 I seize all of your assets, your boat, your house, your... I seize your bank accounts, and they become basically the property of the cops.

00:50:33.000 And then you have to sue, although you have not gone through due process and been found guilty, to get that stuff back.

00:50:40.000 Now it's really hard to sue when all your money's spent and all your assets have been taken from you.

00:50:44.000 Okay, so...

00:50:46.000 That is kind of the situation and it's really un-American and unconscionable and it's kind of surprising how much it's under the rug. 1.00

00:50:54.000 Yeah, really, it's so disturbing.

00:50:56.000 It's very, very disturbing.

00:50:57.000 And I gotta tell you, if someone is a drug dealer, as which something I do not support, to have like, every penny that they have just taken from them overnight, seems a bit much when that's not done to murderers or people who harm children.

00:51:10.000 Yeah, nonviolent drug offense, man.

00:51:12.000 Let's talk about it.

00:51:13.000 This is the, I think Jerry Nadler just has been pushing forth legislation Let's talk about it right here from TimCast.com.

00:51:19.000 House passes bill to decriminalize marijuana federally, and it was the Republicans who said no.

00:51:25.000 Democratic Rep.

00:51:26.000 Jerry Nadler passed with a vote, his bill sponsored by Nadler, passed with a vote of 220-204 along party lines.

00:51:34.000 Republican Reps Tom McClintock, Brian Mast, and Matt Gaetz joined the Democrats voting in support of the bill.

00:51:40.000 Democrats want to make it so that you can have pot. 1.00

00:51:40.000 Right. 1.00

00:51:59.000 And then you hear that certain Republicans like Thomas Massie or Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:52:04.000 Maybe not Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's more conservative. 0.55

00:52:05.000 Thomas Massie is more libertarian.

00:52:07.000 But I'm like, where are the more libertarian voices?

00:52:10.000 Matt Gaetz is voting for it.

00:52:12.000 It makes me feel like it's probably not exactly what it is.

00:52:16.000 I can guess why someone would vote against this as a Republican.

00:52:18.000 First of all, Mass just followed me on Twitter, so congrats to him for voting for the drug legalization.

00:52:22.000 Nice.

00:52:23.000 Um, I think it's a very dangerous, slippery slope if the federal government starts taxing things.

00:52:29.000 That could be what they're concerned about, because that's not a thing.

00:52:31.000 I bet that's it.

00:52:32.000 And it's proposed that they're going to do a 5% sales tax.

00:52:32.000 Yeah.

00:52:35.000 Sales tax is a state level.

00:52:36.000 So now you're going to have a state and a federal tax just for one product.

00:52:39.000 That is what I think would be the big concern.

00:52:42.000 And to be honest, it's 483 pages, which is another reason.

00:52:45.000 It should be one page.

00:52:46.000 Marijuana is hereby legal.

00:52:48.000 This is why I'm saying I don't trust them.

00:52:50.000 And Massey's good at finding a thing in it that's like, whoa, you're slipping this in, I'm not voting for this.

00:52:54.000 Oh, he'll read it.

00:52:55.000 Yeah, he'll read it.

00:52:56.000 It's got stuff like coming through Puerto Rico.

00:52:57.000 Well, the other thing in the bill that I saw is also it's retroactively letting people clear their records.

00:53:03.000 That's why I want to, well, Donald Trump, as I stated, should have granted clemency and pardoned all nonviolent drug offenses that weren't plea deal, like that weren't plead down.

00:53:14.000 So some people, you know, at first I was saying, like, he should let all these nonviolent drug offenders go.

00:53:19.000 Some people are like, well, what if they sold to kids?

00:53:21.000 I'm like, okay, okay, okay.

00:53:22.000 That, okay, all right, right there.

00:53:24.000 I'm not, right.

00:53:25.000 So not those people.

00:53:26.000 And they said, what if they did something violent, but took a plea deal?

00:53:29.000 You're right.

00:53:30.000 They should have a review process to go through legitimate cases of someone who was like charged

00:53:34.000 with selling pot to another adult or something.

00:53:36.000 And Trump should just get out of jail.

00:53:39.000 Can I just add one more thing?

00:53:40.000 If you're someone who is on a grand jury, and the point of a grand jury is the DA or assistant DA puts forth the evidence, and the grand jury says, is there enough evidence here to charge the person and put them on trial?

00:53:51.000 Our legal system, it's not your charge.

00:53:53.000 You have to get those charges approved by a grand jury.

00:53:56.000 If you're on a grand jury, it is very easy to convince those grand jurors not to return charges on a drug charge, and there's nothing the district attorney can do about it.

00:54:05.000 So this is your ability, if someone is a non-violent drug salesman or whatever, to get that person off and save a life, especially if they're young and poor.

00:54:14.000 I don't think... Here's the challenge, and I think this will be a good conversation with you, Michael.

00:54:20.000 Are there some drugs that should be illegal?

00:54:23.000 I can't think of any.

00:54:25.000 What about, like, fentanyl?

00:54:27.000 Well, no, the problem with fentanyl is the dosing.

00:54:29.000 Right.

00:54:30.000 Right?

00:54:30.000 It's not like someone is taking fentanyl saying, I want to kill myself.

00:54:34.000 They think they're taking, let's say, 5 grams and they're getting 50, or that 5 grams is, and then your heart can't take it and you die.

00:54:40.000 So fentanyl was sold at doses that people knew and understood.

00:54:44.000 They give it in hospitals.

00:54:45.000 Yeah, this would be resolved overnight.

00:54:47.000 So then, well, this is why I ask, right?

00:54:50.000 Because then you have the issue of what if some guy is arrested for selling, let's say he's got 10,000 doses of fentanyl, and let's say they're not misnumbered or whatever, and he dishes them out throughout a city, this person should not be in jail or, you know, what do you think?

00:55:06.000 This person is Pfizer.

00:55:08.000 You just described Pfizer.

00:55:10.000 That's true.

00:55:10.000 That's absolutely correct.

00:55:11.000 What about, do you think there's any drugs that shouldn't be regulated?

00:55:14.000 What do you mean?

00:55:15.000 I think all drugs should be regulated by the market.

00:55:17.000 The same way that, for example, if you're Jewish and you keep kosher, it's very important for you that you eat food that is in common with kosher law.

00:55:24.000 Otherwise, it's like a major, major sin.

00:55:26.000 And people don't realize this, but every food in the supermarket has a little letter K And the K is not even strict enough.

00:55:32.000 So the people who trust the... there's a U. That's for Passover. 0.90

00:55:36.000 If you're really strict, you have to have a U, not a K. What is the U?

00:55:40.000 The U is like a different kind of licensing agency, a rabbinical licensing agency.

00:55:43.000 So what you would have is, instead of having it be the FDA, who is, you know, large to corrupt and whatever, you would have, just like right now in Whole Foods, you'll have Fair Trade or the little stamp.

00:55:52.000 I was on the plane just now, and the pretzels on the back said woman owned. 0.98

00:55:56.000 So if that's something that matters to you, you can look for that label.

00:55:58.000 I mean, The pretzels would not shut up and they were really annoying.

00:56:00.000 But the funny thing about that is when it's like woman-owned, is that if you are a sexist you could choose to discriminate against these businesses, whereas like if it's- Well no, the pretzels- Well no, or you could be like, well I want more women cooking, women cooking the best.

00:56:12.000 No, they cost 80%, they cost 80% as much as the male-owned pretzels.

00:56:14.000 Exactly.

00:56:15.000 Michael, how could there be a wage gap if there's no way to even define what a woman is? 0.94

00:56:20.000 That's a great point.

00:56:22.000 Who's making less per hour?

00:56:23.000 To follow up on the question of a regulation, what you said that... I feel like Jen Psaki.

00:56:28.000 Yes, Mr. Doocy.

00:56:28.000 Yes, yes.

00:56:29.000 Following up.

00:56:33.000 Ian Crosland for Press Secretary.

00:56:34.000 You said that the fentanyl was about the dosing, the dosing.

00:56:38.000 So if people were just like, I don't, there's no regulation on it and the market dictates, and he's like, well, he's addicted to it so I can give him as much as I want because the market's dictating, the guy's pocketbook is dictating what he wants, but it's a drug addiction.

00:56:49.000 Sure.

00:56:50.000 But what I'm saying is, the problem with fentanyl, there's two issues, or any addictive drug.

00:56:55.000 It's the addiction, but also the ODing and dying, right?

00:56:58.000 And that's the first thing to resolve, and people not knowing dosing.

00:57:02.000 So the more information that's out there so people can make informed choices, the less people are going to be dying.

00:57:06.000 What if it was regulated?

00:57:08.000 Like, there's a drugstore that's got all of the drugs, all of them, and you could choose to do it, you know, but the store couldn't give you an overdose.

00:57:16.000 Like, you'd walk in and say— You can only buy one dose at a time?

00:57:19.000 No, no, like, let's— Well, yeah.

00:57:20.000 Well, like, aspirin.

00:57:21.000 Imagine, like, with that— What, like, you only buy one tablet at a time?

00:57:24.000 No, I— Well, what I mean to say is, there's probably different degrees to which it could be regulated.

00:57:29.000 I'm not saying, you know, necessarily you walk in and they say you can only get one.

00:57:32.000 Well, they have that— We don't have to guess about that, because we have that now.

00:57:35.000 Tanning salons.

00:57:36.000 You can only tan for X amount of minutes.

00:57:39.000 So what they do is they just hit six tanning salons.

00:57:41.000 And they also have right now, there's a workaround for addicts where they go prescription shopping.

00:57:45.000 So I'll have four doctors give you prescriptions and then I'll get them all filled.

00:57:49.000 So addicts, the thing that people need to appreciate is addicts are really, really good at resolving their addiction and getting workarounds.

00:57:56.000 Because their entire identity and their entire worldview is about getting that drug.

00:58:01.000 So to pretend that they're going to be playing by the rules, as opposed to, we have to realize what we're dealing with and kind of work to mitigate harm.

00:58:09.000 So let's say the regulation is that the fentanyl, for instance, it's being sold by a private legal entity.

00:58:16.000 The doses have to be measured perfectly and isolated as single doses.

00:58:19.000 Yeah, sure.

00:58:20.000 I think they would love that.

00:58:21.000 So the reason I brought this up is, like, if the problem is dosing, well, street doses can be all over the place.

00:58:21.000 Yeah.

00:58:26.000 But if there's a formalized process that the government's like, hey, if you're selling these things, you have to use, like, a specific machine that guarantees the dosage so that you can't give someone the wrong dose.

00:58:36.000 But that's also, right now in California, like, if you go to, like, dispensaries, they can only be, like, 20 milligrams tops.

00:58:42.000 So it's got this weird kind of situation where... No, but I mean, like, You'll get a pill pack, right?

00:58:49.000 Like you will for, you know, Tylenol or whatever.

00:58:52.000 And it's just like, this is 25 milligrams of drug.

00:58:55.000 This is 25 milligrams.

00:58:56.000 You're not getting 75, 26, 43.

00:58:56.000 Right, exactly.

00:58:57.000 It's a, you know.

00:58:59.000 But that's what the market would have.

00:59:01.000 There's no other, there's no like, it's not like you go to buy vodka and one bottle of absolute is going to be 80 proof, the other one's 10 proof.

00:59:06.000 They're all going to be consistent.

00:59:08.000 But you can go and get, you know, it's, it's right.

00:59:13.000 It's a fraud issue.

00:59:13.000 The market does it.

00:59:13.000 Yeah.

00:59:14.000 But you needed a prescription.

00:59:16.000 Would you need a prescription for the fentanyl then?

00:59:17.000 And the people that can't get the prescription?

00:59:19.000 I think that's the point.

00:59:20.000 I think the point is you already can get prescriptions for this stuff.

00:59:22.000 We're saying prescription-less.

00:59:24.000 Personal choice to go in and buy whatever you want.

00:59:25.000 I feel like they would just buy the 30 doses and take two or three at a time instead of one.

00:59:30.000 Yeah, or get someone to buy it for them.

00:59:31.000 They could work around it so easily.

00:59:33.000 I'm simply pointing out that you might in the street get a pill that they tell you is one dose.

00:59:36.000 Oh, for sure.

00:59:36.000 That would cut back on that.

00:59:37.000 That's a big part of the problem.

00:59:38.000 That's a big part, yeah.

00:59:40.000 Exactly.

00:59:40.000 But you're saying it sounds like you don't even need regulation in that capacity because I suppose the bigger threat is that they're going to be shorting you.

00:59:48.000 They're going to tell you it's a dose, but it's a half dose to save money.

00:59:50.000 They're going to be like, oh yeah, this is 20 milligrams.

00:59:54.000 That's when you have branding because then it becomes, oh, that stuff's weak.

00:59:57.000 This is the good stuff.

00:59:59.000 Same thing without any other product.

01:00:00.000 Yeah.

01:00:01.000 And then, uh... Like, you know, the thing with potato chips.

01:00:03.000 Like, you'll buy the bag of potato chips that's half air.

01:00:05.000 Or more.

01:00:05.000 That's so annoying.

01:00:06.000 You know why that is, right?

01:00:07.000 It's not like they do it on purpose.

01:00:09.000 They do do it on purpose.

01:00:10.000 It settles, but it doesn't settle that much.

01:00:10.000 Dude, I got an iced coffee.

01:00:11.000 I got an iced latte at Starbucks.

01:00:13.000 It was, like, 90% ice.

01:00:15.000 I got... I sipped it, I drank it, and it was gone.

01:00:17.000 It was a big cup of ice.

01:00:18.000 Well, yeah, it wasn't intentional.

01:00:19.000 They fill the whole cup with ice and then put the shot in the milk and the ice with a little bit of coffee.

01:00:19.000 They do.

01:00:23.000 Well, to be fair, shrinkflation is through the roof these days.

01:00:25.000 Yeah.

01:00:26.000 You know, it's really funny.

01:00:28.000 People are posting these videos of boxes of cereal a week later.

01:00:32.000 And it's like, they're just visibly smaller.

01:00:35.000 But the funnier thing is when the boxes stay the same size, and then you see the ounces on the bottom goes down.

01:00:40.000 I'm concerned about fentanyl.

01:00:41.000 I feel like it's next level.

01:00:42.000 Heroin was dangerous, but fentanyl... It's Russian Roulette.

01:00:47.000 It's crazy.

01:00:47.000 It's going to be the next 10 times stronger drug after fentanyl.

01:00:50.000 And we're going to be having the same discussion, but it's like you can only take one hundredth of a percent of what you could take.

01:00:55.000 Have you ever taken opiates?

01:00:57.000 One time, yeah.

01:00:58.000 Have you, Michael, had opiates?

01:00:59.000 Yes.

01:01:00.000 No.

01:01:00.000 Seamus?

01:01:01.000 I would describe it as a nightmarish drug.

01:01:04.000 I stretched on it and it was useful.

01:01:04.000 Nightmarish?

01:01:07.000 When I had a kidney stone, I was given Percocets, and it was a feeling so good, it's indescribable.

01:01:14.000 And that terrified me.

01:01:15.000 Oh yeah, good point.

01:01:16.000 I was like, wow, I know exactly why people get addicted to this stuff.

01:01:19.000 It felt like, it's hard to explain.

01:01:22.000 It feels like all your joints have become removed.

01:01:25.000 Like if your body was made out of like hinges, like they get all unhinged.

01:01:28.000 So it's like all your body's just floating.

01:01:29.000 I see why it creates opiates and yoga.

01:01:32.000 I think that was all kind of combined in the early years.

01:01:35.000 I would describe it as like, it felt like an energy of goodness emitting from every part of my body.

01:01:43.000 I'm literally saying it's terrifying for that reason.

01:01:45.000 I know, I'm sponsored by OBS.

01:01:47.000 I'm literally saying it's terrifying for that reason.

01:01:50.000 And so you know what I did?

01:01:52.000 Even though... more?

01:01:54.000 You know it.

01:01:56.000 Tossed them out.

01:01:57.000 Wow, you could have sold those.

01:01:59.000 Or given it to children.

01:02:00.000 Suppositories.

01:02:01.000 No, no, no.

01:02:02.000 I threw it... I basically tossed it into... I put it on my windowsill.

01:02:08.000 Just threw it in my cat's water.

01:02:09.000 But then eventually I was just like, I don't want these things, man.

01:02:12.000 Power of pleasure.

01:02:15.000 Well, it was scary.

01:02:18.000 I'm like, I completely understand why people can get addicted to this stuff.

01:02:21.000 Because it just feels so good and you think, what's one more time to make it feel good?

01:02:25.000 And it's that second time when things just come crashing down.

01:02:28.000 And then it doesn't feel good the second time.

01:02:30.000 It doesn't feel as good.

01:02:30.000 Yeah, chasing the dragon.

01:02:31.000 The addiction starts to kick in hard after the second.

01:02:35.000 You ever eat corned beef hash?

01:02:37.000 That's him.

01:02:37.000 Hold on.

01:02:38.000 Don't assume.

01:02:40.000 Delicious.

01:02:40.000 Well, like, the first bite is really good.

01:02:42.000 The second bite is okay.

01:02:44.000 The third bite is eh.

01:02:44.000 And the fourth bite, you're like, I'm done.

01:02:45.000 That's like circus peanuts.

01:02:47.000 You eat one, you're like, this is great. 1.00

01:02:48.000 The second one is like, please kill me and my family. 0.99

01:02:50.000 Honestly, if we were going to use opiates as a species, that's how we should use them. 1.00

01:02:54.000 You take one bite and that's it.

01:02:55.000 You cut yourself off after that.

01:02:57.000 If you can, you know, leave it to the addictive human to make a decision for themselves.

01:03:01.000 Drugs are bad.

01:03:02.000 Okay.

01:03:02.000 I don't know.

01:03:03.000 The word drug is very weird.

01:03:05.000 What is a drug anyway?

01:03:06.000 It's a suitcase term.

01:03:07.000 It's a non-food that you ingest that does something to your chemistry?

01:03:10.000 It's like the word conspiracy.

01:03:11.000 As soon as you hear it, you know it's bad, but it's applied to things correctly and incorrectly.

01:03:15.000 Caffeine's a drug.

01:03:16.000 Yeah.

01:03:16.000 That's right.

01:03:17.000 Psychoactive.

01:03:18.000 But no one's ever lectured me about how caffeine opened their mind, you know?

01:03:22.000 Like, hey man, you gotta try it.

01:03:24.000 You're gonna be like a different person.

01:03:25.000 That's not true.

01:03:26.000 People often talk about how if they don't have their coffee, they can't think.

01:03:28.000 They'll talk about how their coffee makes them better, but they won't be like, I'm enlightened because I had caffeine.

01:03:32.000 They're not going to say, I took a caffeine pill and I met the machine elves.

01:03:38.000 Michael, I want to talk to you about the machine elves.

01:03:40.000 Okay.

01:03:40.000 Check this out.

01:03:41.000 Here's what I was thinking.

01:03:41.000 We talked about this last week.

01:03:43.000 I was thinking that, you know, the brain naturally produces DMT.

01:03:46.000 Okay.

01:03:47.000 And so I wanted... Am I in Rogan?

01:03:51.000 Well, aren't you writing that book on the machine elves?

01:03:52.000 No, I'm writing a good book.

01:03:54.000 Guys, guys, guys, you gotta chill.

01:03:57.000 So here's what I was thinking.

01:03:58.000 Maybe if we had some opiates, we would be able to.

01:04:01.000 What I was thinking was, let's say, I'm going to give you a wild bunch of ideas that probably make no sense, but it's fun.

01:04:09.000 So multiverse theory, that every possible permutation of existence can exist or whatever.

01:04:14.000 So I was thinking about that, and then I was like, if the multiverse is real and it's infinite, then there is a Batman universe.

01:04:20.000 And each one of these DC universes could actually exist.

01:04:23.000 So we're not actually imagining and making things up, we're just seeing into the multiverse.

01:04:28.000 We're seeing a vision into the ether.

01:04:30.000 I started thinking about that.

01:04:31.000 I'm like, if people naturally produce DMT in their brains, what if there's a connection line?

01:04:37.000 A very, very faint one.

01:04:38.000 But some people who are very creative and talented have a stronger line than those who don't.

01:04:42.000 The people who are NPCs have had their connection severed.

01:04:46.000 That's why when they take DMT, they blast off and it just like opens up the portal and they see everything and then it closes.

01:04:52.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:04:53.000 Yeah, but it's a little bit wrong from my understanding.

01:04:56.000 We talked about this when I was on... That's why I said it's a bunch of crazy ideas that probably make no sense.

01:04:59.000 It makes perfect sense.

01:05:00.000 I just think it's incorrect.

01:05:01.000 It's very coherent.

01:05:02.000 We talked about this when I was on with Alex, which is the idea that in the same way that a drawing of you is you in 2D, and this is 3D Tim, and the elves live in 4D, right?

01:05:15.000 So we're 3D projections of 4D beings.

01:05:18.000 The point being that In the same way that I could draw Batman and he exists in the drawing, but Batman doesn't exist in 3D here on this earth, a lot of people that we see around us in 3D don't exist in 4D.

01:05:29.000 So they are, in fact, background characters who do not have a higher I being.

01:05:32.000 Well, so the machine elves tell you secrets.

01:05:34.000 Okay.

01:05:34.000 Do they?

01:05:35.000 I wouldn't know.

01:05:36.000 Did they tell you anything?

01:05:38.000 Well, that's what Alex Jones says.

01:05:39.000 That's what Alex says, yeah.

01:05:40.000 So that's kind of my idea that it's that you're getting a connection to them, that they're explaining things to you and sharing ideas and information.

01:05:47.000 And so those with more natural DMT in their system might have a stronger connection to hearing the whispers and the muse and the secrets.

01:05:55.000 Well, the other point that apparently there's a big distinction between people who take DMT and just see kind of shapes and colors and those who actually communicate with these entities.

01:06:04.000 And I don't know what causes this divide between the two groups.

01:06:08.000 Maybe Ian has some insight on this.

01:06:09.000 I don't know.

01:06:10.000 My experience with DMT is still really limited.

01:06:12.000 I'm interested in changing that at some point.

01:06:14.000 So you said that some people don't exist in four dimensions?

01:06:17.000 Correct.

01:06:17.000 So they're NPCs?

01:06:18.000 Yes.

01:06:19.000 That's a scary thought.

01:06:20.000 Why is it scary?

01:06:21.000 It's just factual.

01:06:22.000 What I'm thinking is... No, I just mean that there are some people out there that, you know, aren't the same.

01:06:26.000 But doesn't that explain a lot?

01:06:27.000 It certainly does.

01:06:28.000 That's what I was saying.

01:06:30.000 That's what I said earlier that, you know, for me personally, I kind of feel like I have a soul.

01:06:34.000 I feel like there's a greater power out there.

01:06:35.000 And some people don't.

01:06:36.000 Maybe they literally don't have souls.

01:06:38.000 I was just thinking, it might be that calcification of the pineal gland has something to do with it, that if you're calcified and you're blocking, you're still seeing the shapes and patterns, but you're not seeing it clear enough to notice that it's sentient, maybe even.

01:06:50.000 I don't know if the sentient's the right word, but it's not alive.

01:06:53.000 I wouldn't call it alive, but intelligent?

01:06:55.000 Is that a fair word to describe this field, this force?

01:06:57.000 God?

01:06:58.000 Is it God in the image of man?

01:07:01.000 And that's why we think they're elves, because we're getting this undulating fourth dimensional movement of in and out.

01:07:07.000 Like tightness and expansion?

01:07:08.000 Yeah.

01:07:09.000 What if it's not necessarily that some people exist in four dimensions, but that some people are ascending?

01:07:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:16.000 That's a good question.

01:07:17.000 My understanding is that this is the descending.

01:07:19.000 The same way that a drawing is like a lowering and a projection into 2D.

01:07:24.000 Like if I drew myself, that this life, or whatever we want to call it, this plane, is a projection of 4D, which is much more infinite.

01:07:31.000 So we're like playing a video game?

01:07:34.000 So we are all fourth-dimensional beings who decided to... Not all of us.

01:07:34.000 Kinda.

01:07:38.000 No, no, no, I mean like us here, because we're all special people, you know.

01:07:41.000 Even this one?

01:07:41.000 Are we?

01:07:42.000 Believe it or not, despite the lucky charms... If the theory follows suit... This is what happens when Seamus smokes DMT.

01:07:49.000 First of all, first of all, no one ever drank coffee and had this conversation.

01:07:53.000 I just want to flag that.

01:07:55.000 You know, coffee is actually attributed with ending the, uh, or, or starting the enlightenment, kicking the enlightenment age of enlightenment off.

01:08:00.000 They would sit around and stop those bars.

01:08:02.000 Exactly.

01:08:03.000 No, no.

01:08:04.000 There's a guy who makes like old timey recipes and he made one about like the first types of coffee.

01:08:09.000 And he talked about like, they would have these coffee bars and everyone, all the people go there to be intellectuals.

01:08:13.000 Oh yeah.

01:08:13.000 And so what it was up until that point was beer.

01:08:15.000 You know, the water was dangerous to drink, so people drink beer.

01:08:17.000 And then eventually they just kicked in the coffee.

01:08:19.000 Coffee became, because of probably colonization, and they were able to import, start importing coffee.

01:08:23.000 And they're all tweaking and talking until all hours, and then they're flapping their gums.

01:08:26.000 Here's what, you know, I suppose- It was the first Tim Kest.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:29.000 I suppose logic doesn't matter when you're talking about multidimensional theory.

01:08:33.000 I disagree.

01:08:34.000 I think it matters a lot.

01:08:35.000 Well, then here's my question.

01:08:36.000 Uh, what is the logic behind why some humans would be semi-fourth dimensional?

01:08:41.000 Why would a fourth dimensional being come down to the third dimensional plane for entertainment?

01:08:45.000 Oh, that's a good question.

01:08:47.000 Right.

01:08:47.000 That's, I don't know.

01:08:48.000 That's a great question.

01:08:49.000 I think that the body is an anchor.

01:08:50.000 This body is an anchor.

01:08:52.000 And that, that if you're, if you're clouded and you're, you're calcified, that you're, you're not in control of the, of the field around you.

01:08:59.000 Like your, your red blood cells have iron, which are magnetic and you can not, maybe not control the magnetic field around you, but it, I don't think people appreciate how much wisdom it is and what Ian says, and the more you watch the show and the more you listen to him, the more, like, suss it out.

01:09:11.000 like you don't have a soul but I think people go in and out of either having a

01:09:15.000 soul or not having one depending on if you're calcified or not and maybe it's

01:09:17.000 not just calcified. I don't think people appreciate how much wisdom it is and

01:09:21.000 what Ian says and the more you watch the show and the more you listen to him the

01:09:23.000 more like suss it out this guy knows what he's talking about.

01:09:26.000 But what I just thought that's not April Fool's.

01:09:28.000 My birthday's tomorrow.

01:09:30.000 I just thought of something crazy.

01:09:31.000 I want us to imagine that we have a third dimensional plane.

01:09:35.000 Let's put it in perspective.

01:09:37.000 Here's the threshold of the dimensional barrier.

01:09:39.000 We're down here milling about like little people all talking, shaking hands and watching and observing.

01:09:44.000 Then you move up into the fourth dimensional plane and you can see there's like tethers coming out of the people into the fourth dimension.

01:09:49.000 From that perspective, it looks like each individual person has some fourth dimensional presence.

01:09:53.000 What if, when you moved up to an even higher state, you can see that all of those lines coming out are connected to the hands of one being, and get this, what the people actually are are like sensory antennas that are just dipped into the water to collect information and then come back part of one being.

01:10:08.000 But the elves are kind of like paper dolls.

01:10:11.000 So like paper dolls is basically it's you can one sense.

01:10:13.000 It's one being it's another sense It's it, but you couldn't see one ends of the other so they kind of meld into each other Is it the kind of thing where if you touch your hands?

01:10:21.000 Yeah, I'm agreeing with you if you touch your hands together You feel your left hand with your right hand you can feel it with your right hand You could feel your right hand with your left hand you have both feelings at the same time But in reality I can only feel what Ian feels and Tim can only feel what Tim feels but in the fourth dimension There's a being that feels both.

01:10:34.000 Yes Yes.

01:10:36.000 Correct.

01:10:37.000 So this is the argument, or is this what people report on DMT?

01:10:42.000 That's what people report.

01:10:42.000 And the thing is that it's very confusing, not confusing, but there's just a lot of questions about why this substance would have such extreme effects on people just from an evolutionary perspective.

01:10:53.000 How does that idea... And why those effects be the same for everybody.

01:10:56.000 How does that idea jive with your idea on religion and God?

01:11:01.000 I would say it's probably demonic.

01:11:03.000 I don't have an explanation, but my first guess would be it could be a demonic thing.

01:11:03.000 I don't know.

01:11:06.000 Or it could also literally just be hallucinations people are having.

01:11:09.000 I don't know.

01:11:10.000 Like this idea that we are all one with God and that he can feel what we feel.

01:11:17.000 He knows what we do and why we do it.

01:11:19.000 Well, we're created in his image and likeness, and he does know everything.

01:11:23.000 So could it be that... Yeah, well, what number am I thinking of?

01:11:27.000 Let's roll the dice and find out.

01:11:28.000 I didn't say I know!

01:11:32.000 Checkmate! 0.98

01:11:32.000 92. 0.98

01:11:32.000 He got it! 0.98

01:11:33.000 Dude, how freaky would it be if I told you?

01:11:36.000 The number was pi.

01:11:37.000 The idea Ian is saying is that he can feel things, I can feel things, but that a higher power can feel what both of us are feeling.

01:11:43.000 Yeah, yeah, that's, I would imagine that would be possible.

01:11:47.000 Here is something else that's really kind of interesting.

01:11:49.000 There's something, what's, I forget the term.

01:11:52.000 You live in the city for too long, man.

01:11:55.000 I'm sure Ian knows the term for this.

01:11:56.000 I don't know the term.

01:11:57.000 When two people break the veil together and they meet on the other side, there's a term for that.

01:12:02.000 Oh, wow.

01:12:04.000 I need to know.

01:12:04.000 That's crazy.

01:12:06.000 Is the word sympathetic involved?

01:12:07.000 No, there's a word for it.

01:12:07.000 There's a term.

01:12:08.000 I forget what it is.

01:12:09.000 Shared hallucinations?

01:12:10.000 And there was a, I watched a crazy video from Vice where this guy said that he went, he did DMT and he met a purple woman.

01:12:18.000 I think we talked about this last time.

01:12:20.000 No, this is not familiar.

01:12:21.000 He met a purple woman and she talked to him about his friend.

01:12:25.000 And she was like, he used to come by here all the time.

01:12:27.000 And he was like, whoa.

01:12:28.000 And they talked.

01:12:29.000 And then he came back, when he came back down, he went to his friend and shared it.

01:12:32.000 They shared information that they hadn't previously exchanged with each other.

01:12:34.000 Yeah, and a lot of other people report that when they meet the elves, sometimes the elves are like, what are you doing here?

01:12:38.000 Like, how'd you get here?

01:12:39.000 Like, they're surprised.

01:12:40.000 I feel like Michael from the Archangel from the Bible and his friends would take hallucinogens together and have shared hallucinations and that was God talking through them and Michael was the best one.

01:12:52.000 I'm curious why... What is the history of the Archangels?

01:12:54.000 The Old Testament?

01:12:55.000 Real quick, I just want to point out one thing.

01:12:58.000 Ian often just makes up these like weird religious connections.

01:13:02.000 Yeah.

01:13:02.000 Like angels doing DMT, I don't know where that comes from.

01:13:04.000 I'm very literal and realistic, like I'm very into like common sense and realism, so I'm trying to make a realistic story about ancient history that seems kind of almost magical.

01:13:13.000 But I think you're trying to look at too much through the lens of psychedelics because, A, I mean, you're discounting the possibility for there to be legitimate supernatural experiences and also you're discounting that if they aren't legitimately supernatural that maybe somebody made it up.

01:13:26.000 But I think you project psychedelic experience onto basically everything that doesn't fit within the ordinary confines of what we see in everyday life.

01:13:33.000 I'll be honest, I have been.

01:13:34.000 Since I started getting into Terrence McKenna and the stone-dape theory, the idea that hominids at some point started eating psilocybin and gaining consciousness and awareness, that has really turned me on to looking at the history through that lens now, a lot of times. 0.59

01:13:47.000 And when they say they saw Jesus walking on water, like, yo, I took acid.

01:13:50.000 I know what hallucinations are, and when you see people, like, whoa.

01:13:54.000 But do people on acid all hallucinate the exact same person doing the exact same thing at the exact same time?

01:13:58.000 This is what Michael brought up, is that people can break through and have the same experience.

01:14:02.000 on DMT together.

01:14:03.000 But large groups of people, I mean people hallucinate, but generally when a group of

01:14:07.000 people hallucinate, they don't hallucinate the exact same thing.

01:14:09.000 But you could, to play devil's advocate, haha, there's also the ability of when a bunch of

01:14:14.000 people are all on psychedelics, the power of persuasion becomes through the roof.

01:14:18.000 So if one person is like, oh look, I see that, everyone else will start to see it because

01:14:21.000 the brain will fall in the brain.

01:14:22.000 Charles Manson is a fantastic example.

01:14:24.000 Also, don't you think if DMTs reuse it, and I'm not just talking about biblically, but in any scriptural text from any religion, don't you think they would mention psychedelics?

01:14:32.000 Because we know that psychedelics are part of a lot of pagan religions and they discuss it, so if they were part of these other religions and that's how the texts were inspired, why wouldn't that be discussed?

01:14:40.000 I think you have to read a lot into it to come away with that conclusion.

01:14:43.000 On the other hand, we don't know what manna is.

01:14:44.000 We don't know anything about it.

01:14:46.000 Yeah, the manna from heaven?

01:14:47.000 Is that what it was?

01:14:48.000 It was like a hash oil?

01:14:49.000 We don't know.

01:14:50.000 They literally said they ate manna and it came from heaven.

01:14:52.000 Okay, what is it?

01:14:52.000 There's no description of it.

01:14:54.000 Maybe rainwater mixed with a plant?

01:14:55.000 What do you think it is?

01:14:57.000 Lucky Charms?

01:14:58.000 Like bread, right?

01:15:00.000 It was always described as Irish.

01:15:02.000 Is it potatoes?

01:15:03.000 Is that it?

01:15:04.000 Well, it was always described to me as almost being bread-like, though I'm far from being an expert on here.

01:15:12.000 And it was food that was given to them as sustenance, not necessarily something to produce a psychedelic experience.

01:15:17.000 No, my understanding, in Jew school they told us this, that basically they found that it spontaneously appeared overnight.

01:15:22.000 So it was absolutely something magical.

01:15:24.000 Ben Stewart would be good.

01:15:25.000 You would love Ben Stewart if you haven't talked to him yet.

01:15:27.000 I want to mention this.

01:15:28.000 I think the big difference is if you're looking at psychedelics, I think someone who believed that they had a supernatural ability would say it's something found in the natural world that leads to the supernatural experience, whereas man is the exact opposite.

01:15:37.000 It's something that appeared supernaturally but gave them the natural experience of eating.

01:15:41.000 We had a really good idea for a bit on Castcastle, where in the background- Castcastle?

01:15:45.000 What's that?

01:15:45.000 Our vlog.

01:15:46.000 Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.

01:15:46.000 One of the bits is that while stuff is happening, in the background you'll see Seamus interacting with potatoes.

01:15:52.000 This is- Why does it have to go- Hold on, hold on.

01:15:53.000 I made this point about- Can I finish the joke, Seamus?

01:15:56.000 Just racist.

01:15:57.000 One of the jokes was that, like, Ian will be talking to someone about something semi, you know, just inane, and then in the background you see a pizza delivery guy, like, handing the pizza to Seamus, and he pulls out a potato and hands it to the pizza guy, who then pulls out two smaller potatoes and hands change back.

01:16:11.000 Would it be hysterical if like I talked about potatoes the way like Ian will bring up psychedelics I'm like no dude.

01:16:19.000 I think they ate potatoes.

01:16:20.000 I think they ate potatoes, and that's why they saw it happen The potatoes has eyes.

01:16:24.000 You guys have to try it.

01:16:25.000 Think about it.

01:16:26.000 Why exactly because you can I think that when the authorities were writing the Bible that they were like, if they take psychedelics, they're going to overthrow reality because that's what it makes you do.

01:16:36.000 That's what helps people.

01:16:39.000 Hold on, there's two things.

01:16:40.000 First of all, secular or religious, there are no scriptural scholars who believe that the Bible is written by a group of authorities.

01:16:47.000 They understand that these texts were not just compiled by one group trying to tell a story, but also If you're saying the authorities were writing the Bible, that's a different article.

01:16:59.000 So scriptural scholars, including the atheistic ones, don't hold the view that like a group of people got together and said, let's write the Bible and make this story.

01:17:07.000 Oh, no, that's correct.

01:17:08.000 Yeah.

01:17:08.000 What about the council?

01:17:10.000 That's what they sat down and said, what's going in and out?

01:17:12.000 Exactly.

01:17:13.000 And so, Ian, I think my question is, or I guess my point to you saying, because your question or your point here seems to conflict with the other point you made, because you're saying, They got together, they wrote the Bible to have a specific message, and they didn't want us to use psychedelics.

01:17:27.000 But your earlier claim was it actually happened, but these people were just using psychedelics and writing it from their perspective.

01:17:32.000 Oh, no.

01:17:33.000 So it didn't actually happen, but this was a drug trip.

01:17:35.000 I think that the writers, like John, the people that saw Jesus walking were tripping.

01:17:39.000 But then when the Council of Nicaea got together, they were like, that stuff's too dangerous for society to do right now.

01:17:44.000 We need control of this.

01:17:45.000 Let's not talk about the psychedelic stuff.

01:17:47.000 So the problem I have with that is the people who brought the various scriptures that they had in their possession to the Council of Nicaea were really persecuted in order to have them.

01:17:55.000 So some of them had their eyes gouged out.

01:17:57.000 Some people were killed for having these scriptures because they're being persecuted for their beliefs.

01:18:01.000 And I don't think a text could mean that much to you, for you to get together with a group of people and say, you know what, let's just mess with this and have it say whatever we want and remove the important details.

01:18:10.000 But I just want to point out.

01:18:12.000 I don't think the people who were there would be okay with that.

01:18:14.000 That I see no logical basis for saying people were tripping when they witnessed something.

01:18:19.000 Well, they said that they saw Jesus walking on water.

01:18:21.000 So what?

01:18:21.000 What could you possibly give a logical excuse of how that could happen?

01:18:24.000 My point is, Ian, you have a bias where you're like, they must have been tripping when... No, not must.

01:18:31.000 I don't want to say they must.

01:18:31.000 Okay, you're right.

01:18:33.000 Maybe they were like all sick, but they used to get together and drink wine.

01:18:36.000 Have you noticed the Elysian call?

01:18:37.000 My point is...

01:18:40.000 You have a frame of mind.

01:18:42.000 That was carbon monoxide.

01:18:43.000 People are fairly familiar with your frame of mind, and you're like, I think it was tripping.

01:18:47.000 But there's literally an infinite number of explanations for why someone could hallucinate something.

01:18:51.000 You know that laughing disease that they had for a while that was ergot?

01:18:54.000 A lot of the stuff comes from ergot, which is a fungus that grows on rye that makes people trip out, but it's also very harsh on your stomach, and they would drink it with wine.

01:19:00.000 But I think, Ian, the problem with that is when you look at literally any historic document we have, you can make the same argument, even if it's describing something which seems perfectly natural.

01:19:09.000 Well, this person could have just been hallucinating because they were on drugs.

01:19:11.000 We don't know that they're describing this properly.

01:19:13.000 Yeah, I don't want to come out and say it happened like that.

01:19:15.000 I think you have to have a specific...

01:19:15.000 I don't know.

01:19:19.000 I think you have to have a specific reason besides saying this text is difficult to believe to make the case that the people who wrote it were on drugs.

01:19:25.000 For instance, the burning bush.

01:19:26.000 I've heard that it was the acacia plant, which if you burn it and breathe it in, you start to have psychoactive hallucinations, and that Moses was sitting by a bush to start talking to him, and then he started hearing God, like, you know, I've heard God at burning, man.

01:19:37.000 I took a bunch of mushrooms for a week, and you start to hear the vibration make sentient sound.

01:19:42.000 It's, I don't know where it's coming from or what, but it is a real thing, and I was on psychoactives at the time.

01:19:48.000 So what's the burning bush?

01:19:49.000 I got it.

01:19:51.000 I think my point is whether you have a suit.

01:19:54.000 Obviously, I have a supernatural worldview.

01:19:55.000 I believe it was God, but I think even if you don't believe it was God, you can have explanations aside from this must have been it could be Moses is lying. 0.99

01:20:04.000 Yeah, no, he's a crazy person. Exactly. I mean if it could be it really happened or it could be it didn't happen 0.95

01:20:09.000 Or someone made it up about this to make it sound smart Exactly well because we know historically that people will

01:20:14.000 make stories up And so if you don't believe these stories are true because

01:20:17.000 you don't think what's described could possibly have happened

01:20:19.000 There are so many other explanations besides they were on drugs. They were doing so let's

01:20:23.000 Some stuff on mana. No, no, no, you You guys need to have your long religious debate.

01:20:28.000 Let me read this about manna really quick.

01:20:30.000 It's from Exodus 16.14.

01:20:31.000 When the dew evaporated, a flaky substance as fine as frost blanketed the ground.

01:20:35.000 Okay, so they're talking about like, we have to put alcohol.

01:20:37.000 They're talking about that's how you make DMT.

01:20:39.000 You extract the white powdery substance.

01:20:41.000 Here's some real reach.

01:20:43.000 I'm just pointing out the similarities.

01:20:45.000 Exodus 16.31.

01:20:46.000 The Israelites called the food manna.

01:20:48.000 It was white like coriander seed and it tasted like honey.

01:20:50.000 So it's like a white powder.

01:20:51.000 And that sounds like a drug excuse.

01:20:53.000 You can't live on DMT.

01:20:55.000 The whole point is mana was giving them sustenance in the desert.

01:20:58.000 So even if what you're saying is true, they'd all be dead.

01:21:00.000 Or it could have been mixed with, like, ergot grows on rye.

01:21:03.000 So they could have been eating rye that was infected with ergot.

01:21:07.000 So let's move forward.

01:21:09.000 I'm just curious, you know, your thoughts, Michael.

01:21:12.000 I think we should do an entire Timcast about mana.

01:21:15.000 With DMT, what do you think happens when you die?

01:21:19.000 What does that do with DMT?

01:21:20.000 Well, like, if we are meat puppets in the third dimension, when you die, do we just

01:21:25.000 like wake up in the fourth dimension as machine elves or something?

01:21:28.000 Or?

01:21:29.000 I, excuse me, one of the things that they beat into us in Jew school, and this is something 1.00

01:21:36.000 that I very much do prefer the Jewish perspective to the Christian perspective, is, I've used

01:21:42.000 this story before, is let's suppose you go to this banquet and the table is just overflowing

01:21:47.000 with food and there's every kind of fruit you can imagine and the wine's flowing and

01:21:50.000 you got a turkey here and you got a steak here and hams and everything.

01:21:54.000 And it's just like you couldn't even begin to imagine this kind of banquet.

01:21:58.000 And then you go to the chef, you go, oh, what's for dessert?

01:22:01.000 Like how offensive that is.

01:22:02.000 So in the Jewish perspective, to be like focusing on the afterlife, when God has given you this amazing gift of life and how wondrous it is and how he wants you to be happy and achieve and just thrive and to just be looking toward dessert is really like spitting in his face. 0.54

01:22:16.000 I once had a very Christian friend of mine tell me that she couldn't wait until she died.

01:22:21.000 When Ayn Rand was on Donahue and he asked her, he goes, what's wrong with saying, you know, I love life, everything's great, but man, I can't wait to die and find out what's going on.

01:22:30.000 She goes, that's the problem.

01:22:31.000 He's like, what do you mean? 0.91

01:22:32.000 You can't wait to die.

01:22:34.000 She's like, you said it unintentionally.

01:22:36.000 And I'm not saying Shay was saying this, but this is a big concern because life is not a dress rehearsal.

01:22:42.000 And I think if you are a believer, God put you here for a reason.

01:22:45.000 And to just think that this is just kind of, you know, the warmup act.

01:22:50.000 Can have some very dangerous consequences.

01:22:52.000 I think a simple way to look at it for secular individuals maybe is like a sorting algorithm.

01:22:58.000 When they say heaven and hell, you don't even have to look at it like damnation or, you know, salvation or whatever.

01:23:03.000 It's just like a sorting algorithm.

01:23:04.000 Some people go here, some people go there.

01:23:05.000 I think it's an interesting point.

01:23:07.000 I would argue, and you acknowledge this, that you don't think this is the case for all religious people.

01:23:11.000 I would say that you should, of course, be very grateful for your life.

01:23:16.000 I mean, a belief in the afterlife should not prevent you from saying, like, this is just an unbelievable gift in general.

01:23:21.000 And eternal life, as we believe as Catholics, is very much a part of that.

01:23:24.000 Is there going to be a but?

01:23:26.000 Huh?

01:23:26.000 There's a but coming.

01:23:28.000 Well, I would say what I disagree with is that a belief in an afterlife necessitates a rejection of gratitude for this life.

01:23:35.000 Yeah, we actually talked last night about some people that are just living for the now and take, take, take.

01:23:40.000 They're not, it used to be that like, hey, do good in this life because when you die, if you didn't do good in this life, you're going to be punished.

01:23:46.000 So people would, they wouldn't overthrow and burn things down.

01:23:49.000 These people, these, I don't know if you call them godless, but if it's just all about now with nothing, I think we would agree on this, that you have to be grateful for and appreciate life, but you have to be willing to sacrifice it if there's a necessary cause.

01:24:02.000 Like, you'd have to be willing to fight for, like, for your family.

01:24:05.000 If someone's trying to kill your family, it wouldn't be right to run away.

01:24:08.000 Let me simplify it.

01:24:11.000 If you believe there is something beyond you, then you would recognize the other person's individual rights and liberties.

01:24:18.000 So, for me, that's kind of my worldview.

01:24:20.000 Like, why would I respect someone else's life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness?

01:24:23.000 It's because I want them to respect mine.

01:24:26.000 If you don't think anyone else exists or matters, you'll be solely egotistical and strive for power and personal gain at any cost.

01:24:32.000 Are there other sects of Judaism that do believe in an afterlife in a more overt sense?

01:24:36.000 They all believe in an afterlife to some extent, but they don't focus on it anywhere near as much.

01:24:41.000 And one of the versions I've heard is that everyone goes to hell, and your sins are burnt off, and if you're really bad you're burnt to a crisp, then everyone goes to heaven and there's levels of heaven.

01:24:52.000 Very little focus on the afterlife in Judaism.

01:24:54.000 Like if the soul is an energy field that it's getting like coursed through the Earth's core, you're sensing that hellish fire and then it's courses through the galactic core and you burn with fiery rage and then you're let off into the universe.

01:25:08.000 I would not say it's an exact equivalent, but that's interesting because that is sort of similar to the idea of purgatory, though we don't believe everyone goes there.

01:25:14.000 We believe some people do go to hell.

01:25:16.000 It's like if you went into the forest and you got covered in those little brambles all over you, those spiky little things, and then they're like, you're like, I can't get them off, so someone just takes a flamethrower and just burns you until they all get roasted, and then you're like, thank you!

01:25:26.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I guess the difference is... It's exactly like that.

01:25:29.000 Yeah, I guess, yeah.

01:25:31.000 Literally, that's in the top, that's in the top list.

01:25:36.000 I guess I can't speak for the Talmud, but I know the purgation that Catholics describe is something that purges you of your sin, but it doesn't leave you less than you were. 0.95

01:25:45.000 Which I would imagine is what you guys are also arguing, that it makes you better because it's getting rid of the sinful aspects.

01:25:51.000 Like what is it?

01:25:51.000 Like a giant workout?

01:25:52.000 Like a solar workout?

01:25:54.000 It's a Pendleton.

01:25:57.000 What's that?

01:25:57.000 A Pendleton?

01:25:58.000 It's not that bike?

01:25:59.000 Can you say the commercial?

01:26:00.000 Where have you been, Ian?

01:26:01.000 Pendleton's the sweater, sorry.

01:26:02.000 So it's like, you know how they say resistance is necessary for growth?

01:26:05.000 I wonder if your soul experiences heavy resistance after death in order for it to be purified.

01:26:09.000 What if, uh... And then resistance is a form of heat.

01:26:12.000 We are not projections of fourth dimensional beings.

01:26:15.000 Fourth dimensional beings are just controlling avatars.

01:26:18.000 And so, like, when we die, we're nothing.

01:26:20.000 We're just...

01:26:21.000 And the fourth dimensional being was like, those cool, those Michael Bills.

01:26:23.000 Right, but that's like, if you do a drawing of yourself and have a comic strip where Tim and Ian are going to the store, blah blah blah, and then you rip out the comic strip, Tim and Ian are still existing.

01:26:32.000 Well yeah, but what I mean is like, you, Michael, being controlled by a fourth dimensional being... Not controlled, a projection.

01:26:39.000 But what I'm saying is like, when I play a video game, sure, like the character on the screen is a projection of my will in the game, but when the character gets mutilated and erased, I just get up and I'm like, bye, and the character's gone.

01:26:50.000 So for you, or me in this world, once we're done, there's going to be like some some fat fourth dimensional dude in

01:26:57.000 his basement going like, goes, Oh, that was cool. I got to level 50.

01:27:01.000 There are no fat people in the fourth dimension. That I can assure you.

01:27:06.000 You know what I mean, I'm making a joke.

01:27:07.000 I've never seen a fat person in the fourth dimension. 0.98

01:27:10.000 It's ridiculous. 0.97

01:27:11.000 I've never heard such a thing. 0.99

01:27:12.000 Fat people in the fourth dimension.

01:27:13.000 Remember the video of Trump playing the accordion?

01:27:16.000 That's so good.

01:27:17.000 I've never seen a thin person in the third dimension quite very clearly.

01:27:20.000 Tim, would that be such a bad thing if this was basically just a big video game and then, you know, us as avatars vanish and then the fourth dimensional Tim is still around and he gets another shot at it?

01:27:29.000 Yeah, but what I mean is, we are not the fourth dimensional character.

01:27:33.000 We're a projection of them.

01:27:35.000 When my character in a video game dies, it's consciousness doesn't transport into my body and go, wow, I remember everything.

01:27:43.000 No, it's just gone.

01:27:44.000 You're dead.

01:27:45.000 But if you're playing the video game, like Zelda, and Link dies, you, Tim, remember the entire experience.

01:27:51.000 And you're Link, not the player.

01:27:52.000 Correct.

01:27:52.000 Not Tim.

01:27:53.000 Right.

01:27:53.000 So Tim gets up and leaves, and you, Link, you're gone.

01:27:55.000 Yeah, but I would rather be the player than be Link.

01:27:58.000 I think you're both.

01:27:59.000 Link is a projection.

01:28:00.000 I'm so scared of what the chat's looking like right now.

01:28:01.000 I haven't looked at it yet.

01:28:04.000 I'm so scared of what the chat's looking like right now.

01:28:06.000 Does not have a look at it yet.

01:28:07.000 I'm so scared.

01:28:08.000 What I'm saying is based on your logic, you are an avatar for someone else.

01:28:13.000 Correct.

01:28:13.000 Not yourself.

01:28:14.000 When you die, you die. 0.89

01:28:14.000 No. 0.89

01:28:15.000 You're not a fourth dimensional being.

01:28:17.000 A fourth dimensional being is puppeting you.

01:28:19.000 No.

01:28:19.000 If I'm making a video recording of you, that is still a recording of you.

01:28:24.000 It's not Tim and Link.

01:28:25.000 It's video Tim and flesh Tim.

01:28:27.000 What you're describing is more like a fourth-dimensional being has entered the third dimension.

01:28:32.000 Yes.

01:28:33.000 And what I'm saying is, what if it's not like that?

01:28:35.000 What if it's a fourth-dimensional being taking a controller and controlling you, and then when you die, he puts the controller down and leaves?

01:28:40.000 Okay.

01:28:42.000 So we're all NPCs.

01:28:43.000 Some are just guided by... No, if we're guided, then we're the PCs.

01:28:46.000 That's what the PC means.

01:28:47.000 Yes, but you don't exist outside of this world, is what I'm saying.

01:28:50.000 Correct, but we don't exist outside this world.

01:28:53.000 Oh, so that's actually what it is.

01:28:55.000 You're not a fourth-dimensional being.

01:28:56.000 Well, we've got to define you.

01:28:57.000 Right, if I'm watching a videotape of Tim, that videotape character doesn't exist in this three-dimensional world.

01:29:03.000 What I thought you were saying is that there's fourth-dimensional beings basically playing a VR game.

01:29:08.000 I'm not sure at all of the exact relationship at all.

01:29:12.000 I can't speak on this.

01:29:12.000 I wonder, like, if we are apparitions of a fourth-dimensional energy force or something, like, why is it twisting together in the shape that it is?

01:29:19.000 Why is matter bound in these boundary conditions?

01:29:21.000 Like, skin, why does it stop here?

01:29:23.000 Why is it forming into atoms, like, where it is?

01:29:28.000 I don't understand why.

01:29:29.000 There must be a god.

01:29:30.000 I mean, it always comes back, like, why?

01:29:33.000 It can't be no reason.

01:29:34.000 I mean, well, maybe it can.

01:29:37.000 As kind of... It's hard to describe what you just said.

01:29:41.000 You came to a decent conclusion that, you know, God... I made statements that I didn't back up, basically, and then said, so why?

01:29:48.000 No, but I mean, like, a lot of these questions have answers, but not... It's, you know, if we talk about the fundamental forces of the universe that we think we know as humans through science... Yeah, subatomic forces like quarks and leptons.

01:30:01.000 Then there's still questions on where those forces lead to after that.

01:30:04.000 Sure, like they're spinning.

01:30:04.000 They call them spinners, these subatomic things, quarks, leptons.

01:30:07.000 And so they're spinning and they form into protons or electrons, depending on the subatomic spin mechanism.

01:30:13.000 I just still haven't figured it out.

01:30:13.000 But why?

01:30:15.000 I got a question.

01:30:16.000 Seamus, if you think or suspect that psychedelics have some kind of demonic aspect to them, does that mean you will never try them?

01:30:24.000 Yeah.

01:30:25.000 Wow.

01:30:25.000 Okay.

01:30:26.000 You sure?

01:30:27.000 Never is a pretty extreme statement.

01:30:27.000 Never?

01:30:29.000 Never, never.

01:30:30.000 What if the church were like, mushrooms are now... I don't think they could.

01:30:34.000 I don't think they could.

01:30:36.000 This pope?

01:30:37.000 There's a lot this pope could do.

01:30:40.000 Am I wrong?

01:30:40.000 I'm not even joking.

01:30:41.000 Well, so there are certain teachers, like there are things that...

01:30:46.000 If the church has established something as an infallible teaching, they can't go back on it.

01:30:50.000 He can add to things, or he can issue statements about administrative things or his opinion on something, but they can't reverse a teaching that was already there.

01:31:02.000 I thought they said Limbo no longer exists.

01:31:03.000 That's a really good question.

01:31:04.000 So there's an argument about this.

01:31:06.000 It's not the case that Catholics can't believe in limbo.

01:31:10.000 And as far as I understand, again, there are people far more educated than me on this who will argue that it is something Catholics should believe.

01:31:17.000 It's not mandated by the church, but it also wasn't the church taking something that was in the magisterium and saying, no, the opposite is now true.

01:31:26.000 Or do they talk about psychedelics and say, don't do it?

01:31:28.000 Yeah, well, there's a passage in the Catechism about drugs.

01:31:32.000 We gotta go to Super Chat, so if you haven't already... The argument is psychedelics aren't drugs, but they're medicine.

01:31:35.000 Go ahead.

01:31:36.000 Smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends if you really like it.

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01:31:44.000 I'm gonna read one Super Chat from the most recent conversation first before going back to the beginning.

01:31:49.000 Jacob LaBelle says, I only did DMT once.

01:31:52.000 I didn't trip, I just blanked out and collapsed.

01:31:54.000 Does this mean I'm an NPC and have no soul?

01:31:57.000 Kind of freaking, to be honest.

01:31:58.000 No, you should've been sitting down when you were doing it.

01:32:00.000 Next question.

01:32:01.000 Sorry, Jacob.

01:32:02.000 Were you standing?

01:32:03.000 You said he collapsed.

01:32:05.000 Blanked out and collapsed.

01:32:06.000 I'd always be sitting down, I would think, if you were gonna do something like that.

01:32:09.000 Alright, Jacob just hit CTRL-ALT-DELETE.

01:32:13.000 Here we go, we got... BontitoFreak says, Hey Tim and crew, I've been trying to reach you guys about openings for video game artists.

01:32:20.000 This is my at on Twitter to discuss more.

01:32:22.000 I've also DM'd about it.

01:32:24.000 At GuadMoon27.

01:32:25.000 Seamus, what's going on with that art for that video game?

01:32:29.000 We're working on it right now.

01:32:32.000 We've been really slammed, but I just got a list of things from Chris and Andy that we are going to try to get patched up so we can get this thing rolling.

01:32:41.000 How can you do something called Freedom Tunes and not once animate the best anarchist ever?

01:32:46.000 You've never asked!

01:32:48.000 I've hit you up.

01:32:49.000 I've been like, Malice, come on, let's collaborate.

01:32:51.000 I think I messaged you a while ago.

01:32:52.000 We've talked about collaborating.

01:32:55.000 It might be in the vlog.

01:32:55.000 first time we are we are producing a video game together?

01:32:58.000 Dead to me. I wish you guys would have been sitting across from there.

01:33:00.000 Is it called Unlucky Charms? Did we say the name? Yeah, well hold on, no one said the Luck of the Irish was good

01:33:05.000 Did we say the name of the game yet? We don't know about that. Look at history, alright? Have we released the name

01:33:05.000 luck.

01:33:10.000 yet? Of the game? Yeah. Let's keep it as much of it under wraps as we can. It might be in the vlog. It's called The

01:33:14.000 Troubles.

01:33:14.000 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's uh. No, the game is basically, it's a platformer where you play as Jameis and

01:33:20.000 you gotta catch your lucky charms.

01:33:21.000 No.

01:33:22.000 It's, you have to catch them all.

01:33:23.000 Not the game at all, not the game at all.

01:33:24.000 Alright, let's read some more.

01:33:27.000 WFalcon59 says, hey Tim, here's what may be some good news.

01:33:31.000 CNN Plus is advertising on your show on Spotify.

01:33:34.000 Ooh! 0.96

01:33:34.000 I think you won. 0.96

01:33:35.000 I love it.

01:33:37.000 CNN is like, we know that you hate us.

01:33:39.000 Please watch us.

01:33:40.000 I just love the idea that CNN is doing third party advertising on my show because it's ineffective.

01:33:46.000 100% ineffective.

01:33:47.000 CNN, if you're listening.

01:33:47.000 Take some money.

01:33:49.000 I know!

01:33:49.000 I'm like, no single person who's going to watch or listen to this show is also going to be like, you know, I heard an ad for CNN Plus and I decided it's a good thing.

01:33:56.000 I'm convinced.

01:33:57.000 Yeah.

01:33:58.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:33:59.000 What do we got?

01:34:01.000 Mr. Grizzly Bear says you should call your coffee shop Cast Coffee.

01:34:06.000 Well, all right then.

01:34:07.000 That's terrible.

01:34:08.000 Okay.

01:34:09.000 Oh, wait, cast, like tip cast.

01:34:11.000 Okay.

01:34:11.000 That's better.

01:34:12.000 I'm into like... Well, so I was talking earlier when, when, uh, Starbucks announced that they were supporting the, uh, the protest against parental rights in education.

01:34:12.000 Okay.

01:34:21.000 Daily Wire says they're going to do their own kids content.

01:34:23.000 I was like, why don't we open our own coffee house, coffee chain?

01:34:25.000 Of course, yeah.

01:34:26.000 You open one and you just open more.

01:34:27.000 You know what to call it.

01:34:28.000 Cast Coffee?

01:34:29.000 No, the Coffee Beanie.

01:34:30.000 I love it.

01:34:30.000 Yes!

01:34:31.000 That's good.

01:34:32.000 That's a no brainer.

01:34:32.000 Come on.

01:34:33.000 I like it.

01:34:34.000 I love it.

01:34:35.000 That's brilliant.

01:34:35.000 That's why they pay me the big bucks.

01:34:36.000 That's right.

01:34:38.000 All right.

01:34:38.000 Daniel Ashley says, love to see Michael Malice.

01:34:41.000 There you go.

01:34:43.000 Anthony Rondinelli says, congrats on your 500th episode.

01:34:47.000 Love you all.

01:34:48.000 Here is to 500 more.

01:34:49.000 That's great.

01:34:50.000 All right.

01:34:51.000 Okay.

01:34:52.000 Some of these super chats, I just can't read.

01:34:54.000 They're confusing to me.

01:34:55.000 So I'm just going to go past them.

01:34:57.000 Just mentioning that Michael looks really good today.

01:35:00.000 Oh yeah, beautiful.

01:35:01.000 Yes, of course.

01:35:02.000 What else is new?

01:35:04.000 I am an underwear model.

01:35:06.000 That's true, yeah.

01:35:07.000 Oh my god.

01:35:07.000 Yes.

01:35:08.000 That is true.

01:35:10.000 You have to go.

01:35:12.000 You need to go to Red Lobster right now.

01:35:14.000 Listen to me.

01:35:15.000 We've accidentally over-deposited in your account by $10,000.

01:35:17.000 It was an accident.

01:35:19.000 No, no, no.

01:35:20.000 He's gotta be like, my car's broken down and I need your help.

01:35:25.000 You know, and they're like, how do I help?

01:35:26.000 Just go to Red Lobster and buy a gift, you know, go to Walmart, get a Red Lobster gift card.

01:35:29.000 You need Red Lobster gift cards, you have to sell them to me now!

01:35:33.000 All right.

01:35:34.000 Dan Karna says, which journo would be Press Secretary Malice's most formidable foe?

01:35:40.000 Formidable.

01:35:40.000 That's a great, great question.

01:35:43.000 I can't think of anyone off the top of my head because I think that if someone had tough questions, I would honestly say, let me get back to you.

01:35:53.000 Let me do the research.

01:35:54.000 And I'd want to give them that information because if they're coming at me honestly with journalism, I would respect them.

01:35:59.000 So I can't think of anyone off the top of my head.

01:36:01.000 All right.

01:36:02.000 Here we go.

01:36:03.000 It's a evil zombie hamster says, finally paid off the truck last week.

01:36:07.000 Here's this paycheck's truck payment to something worthy of it.

01:36:10.000 Love you guys, especially Lord Ian, ruler of one square foot in Scotland.

01:36:14.000 Oh, you're right.

01:36:15.000 Keep up the good work, guys.

01:36:16.000 I'm always excited when I hear Seamus's voice on here.

01:36:18.000 It's always a good episode.

01:36:20.000 Oh, thank you.

01:36:21.000 And that is true.

01:36:21.000 I am a Scottish lord.

01:36:22.000 I bought a one foot by one foot square piece of land in Scotland.

01:36:26.000 Lordy, you can call me Lordy.

01:36:27.000 You're a modern-day Count Dankula. 0.79

01:36:28.000 Lost Valley says, Malice at the Cast Castle, aka Malice in the Palace.

01:36:35.000 There was a bar in New York called No Malice Palace where I had my birthday one year.

01:36:39.000 That's awesome.

01:36:39.000 All right.

01:36:41.000 That's true anarchism.

01:36:45.000 Disneyland lifer and disney parks fan here not a disney fan went back into the park in july there were new faces and unfriendly environment the cms and lifers have suspected since before the pandemic that corporate has been up to something you know what you know i've been mentioning recently i did a segment on this today that uh have you seen the people on tiktok acting like uh animated characters no there's something called like the 12 principles of animation scary and this trend emerged where young people started acting like they're in disney pixar films so you know the characters and those things yeah so they started doing it and now young people are actually literally adopting the behavior because they see tiktokers doing it good lord so they're they're developing like

01:37:28.000 Ticks.

01:37:29.000 Yeah, almost like the 12 principles of animation are in large part to make your visuals look more lifelike But it's also the case that in animation you want your poses to read really well So you'll have them move in ways that a person wouldn't move in real life just to communicate the expression So, for example, ideally the expression should be recognizable via silhouette.

01:37:49.000 If you didn't see that person's face, you should be able to tell from their body how they're feeling.

01:37:53.000 It's very almost vaudevillian.

01:37:56.000 Theatrical.

01:37:57.000 Yes, exactly.

01:37:58.000 It's the same in theater.

01:37:58.000 When you're a theater actor, you make your arms huge because you want to project.

01:38:02.000 And it doesn't translate on video, which you can see with these people.

01:38:06.000 The coffee beanie.

01:38:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:38:08.000 And we'll open a bunch and we'll just be like, we're not playing any stupid woke stuff. 0.72

01:38:12.000 We're just going to sell cappuccinos or something. 0.99

01:38:14.000 Caffeiney beanies.

01:38:16.000 Would you like a sour lid on that?

01:38:17.000 Yes, exactly.

01:38:18.000 I want to make bowls that are upside down beanies because I wanted to pour Lucky Charms into one of those today.

01:38:23.000 You want to pack a bowl in.

01:38:25.000 I want to pack it with Lucky Charms.

01:38:27.000 That's right, as one does.

01:38:29.000 I'm not even kidding about this.

01:38:30.000 I'm not even kidding about opening a chain of coffee shops.

01:38:33.000 I love the idea.

01:38:34.000 Cause I was talking about doing a sandwich shop before so that we could just do whatever we wanted.

01:38:38.000 It would be so amazing to have subsidized sandwich shop where I can like, a Karen comes in and is like, there was too much mayonnaise.

01:38:43.000 And I'll be like, and?

01:38:44.000 I wonder if you could buy like a coffee farm in South America, buy one, buy a coffee farm in South America and just import your own coffee beans.

01:38:51.000 You know, we'll do, we'll do, we'll set up the first store and it'll be the, the, the, the coffee beanie, a physical location that sells just coffee goods like Starbucks would, but we exclusively source Krigler coffee.

01:39:03.000 Brilliant.

01:39:04.000 Which is great coffee, by the way.

01:39:05.000 Krigler coffee.

01:39:07.000 Why are you laughing?

01:39:09.000 I don't know.

01:39:10.000 All right, let's read some more superchats.

01:39:12.000 Scott James says, happy 500th episode to ShimCast IRL.

01:39:16.000 And shout out to Ian on the Chrissy Mayer podcast.

01:39:18.000 Fun episode.

01:39:19.000 Also at Tim and Ian, give Babylon 5 a watch.

01:39:22.000 If you like DS9, then you should like B5.

01:39:25.000 DS9 actually ripped it off.

01:39:26.000 Look it up.

01:39:27.000 OK, nerd.

01:39:28.000 Cool story, bro.

01:39:28.000 Nerd!

01:39:31.000 I would just like for everyone to take a moment to reflect on ShimCast reaching its 500th episode and what an achievement that is for me.

01:39:37.000 You've done a really good job.

01:39:38.000 Thanks for hiring me.

01:39:40.000 Thanks for bringing me into this, actually.

01:39:42.000 I'm not gonna make my ShimCast joke. 0.89

01:39:44.000 Alright, The Teeth Grinder says, umteenth unread super chat with a crying face.

01:39:49.000 And then he says, Michael's cosplay wins today's internet.

01:39:52.000 Massive love and hugs to Tim, Lids, Ian, Seamus, Luke, and Absentia, and all at Timcast from Great Britain.

01:39:59.000 I don't know what he means by Michael's cosplay, though.

01:40:01.000 What is that about?

01:40:01.000 It means something different in British.

01:40:04.000 It's like the hood of a car.

01:40:04.000 Like a boot, yeah.

01:40:07.000 That makes sense.

01:40:08.000 Thank you.

01:40:09.000 Winking Walrus says, you guys hear about Alabama constitutional carry like a couple weeks ago?

01:40:13.000 Goes into effect January 1st.

01:40:15.000 Cool.

01:40:16.000 So next year?

01:40:17.000 But this is what?

01:40:18.000 Half the country now?

01:40:19.000 Constitutional carry?

01:40:19.000 That is half the country, yeah.

01:40:21.000 25 states, I believe.

01:40:21.000 Wow.

01:40:21.000 Amazing.

01:40:23.000 All right.

01:40:23.000 DragonLady says, Happy 500th.

01:40:25.000 So Seamus, will you ever do more debunkers videos?

01:40:28.000 Spent several hours last night watching them.

01:40:30.000 They're great.

01:40:30.000 And guys, what happened with the blurry Chicken City cam this morning?

01:40:34.000 Finally.

01:40:34.000 Malice, you rock.

01:40:36.000 Chicken City camera got wet.

01:40:37.000 And so we just swapped it out.

01:40:39.000 Because outside cameras break.

01:40:40.000 And we are producing more debunker videos.

01:40:42.000 Those are a lot of fun.

01:40:43.000 I know we haven't done one in over a year, but... What are they?

01:40:46.000 I don't know about these.

01:40:46.000 Oh, so one of our videos that we'll release, or one of the series we do, is it's these two intellectuals who sit in their bunker.

01:40:53.000 They're hiding from the general public because they don't want to catch the stupid, and in order to stay sharp, they watch YouTube videos and debunk them.

01:40:59.000 And so we'll take videos that have a lot of nonsense in them that are popular and being shared around, and we'll have them watch it and pause the video and then comment on it. 0.97

01:41:08.000 Explain what everybody with and they're there honestly, there's a lot of research that goes into those which is

01:41:13.000 part of why it's it's difficult To put them together, but we have a couple of them in the

01:41:16.000 works right now are those freedom tunes also Yeah, they're on the freedom tunes channel. So from an

01:41:19.000 animation perspective, they're much easier. But from a writing and research perspective

01:41:22.000 They're much more difficult All right, Liberty or death says malice looks like a post-apocalyptic

01:41:26.000 Version of Tim pool from a Star Trek episode who came through a temporal distortion to warn us about the Marxist.

01:41:32.000 Yeah I think it's the beard. Yeah, which looks great. By the way

01:41:35.000 I can't wait to shave this thing. 0.61

01:41:38.000 I've been in hell for two weeks.

01:41:40.000 Well, you can always get a Jeremy's razor from the Daily Wire crew.

01:41:44.000 That's true.

01:41:45.000 That's a great idea.

01:41:49.000 G says, when did Tim get a twin?

01:41:52.000 What do you mean?

01:41:52.000 Ian's been on the show for a while.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, at least a year and a half.

01:41:55.000 Two years, probably.

01:41:55.000 Oh, she's saying they all look alike?

01:41:57.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:41:57.000 Maybe.

01:41:58.000 Well, actually, you're Irish, right?

01:42:01.000 I am.

01:42:01.000 Is that true?

01:42:02.000 And German.

01:42:03.000 Why don't you guys insult him about this? 0.93

01:42:05.000 You know what's crazy?

01:42:06.000 I know that it is considered in bad taste.

01:42:08.000 People were from Ireland.

01:42:10.000 I know.

01:42:10.000 It's not my fault.

01:42:12.000 I didn't pick this for myself.

01:42:13.000 Here we go.

01:42:15.000 Trust me on that one.

01:42:16.000 Sideway says, Malice not liking anime?

01:42:18.000 Dang, man, that's a real boomer cringe take.

01:42:20.000 You just went from a pretty cool guy to, I guess he's alright, he's got some good ideas and makes me giggle.

01:42:25.000 LMAO.

01:42:26.000 That's not boomer.

01:42:27.000 LMAO?

01:42:28.000 That's not boomer cringe?

01:42:29.000 That's cringe.

01:42:31.000 You're Gen X, yeah?

01:42:32.000 Yeah.

01:42:33.000 Okay.

01:42:33.000 Meet Gen Xers.

01:42:35.000 You rep X hard.

01:42:36.000 Thank you, sir.

01:42:38.000 True Patriot says, Michael Malice for press secretary after Saki leaves.

01:42:43.000 Dave Smith has not returned two texts and two emails.

01:42:50.000 He's too busy, like walking with a camera shot of the West Wing as he's preparing.

01:42:54.000 I wanted to get him on my show last week.

01:42:55.000 I can't get a hold of him.

01:42:57.000 He has two kids now.

01:42:58.000 Teddy Roosevelt.

01:42:59.000 Yeah, but I'm more important than his children.

01:43:00.000 You know Teddy Roosevelt, while he was in office, would just leave the White House for weeks at a time and go hunting and no one knew where he was.

01:43:05.000 That's not true.

01:43:07.000 He would leave for at least a week at a time.

01:43:10.000 As president?

01:43:10.000 Yeah, while he was president.

01:43:11.000 They were like, where is he?

01:43:12.000 Ian Kinney says Thomas Massey and Justin- Wait, hold on.

01:43:15.000 I know that's not- Fine will leave and get lost for like two weeks at a time.

01:43:17.000 I'm gonna double check that because I've heard that- I know he didn't leave America, so if he's hunting- No, he would hunt out west.

01:43:23.000 He'd like to go out west to hunt.

01:43:24.000 That might be possible.

01:43:25.000 Tim's checking something apparently.

01:43:29.000 Nice.

01:43:31.000 Cool.

01:43:34.000 Thank you guys.

01:43:35.000 Amash is a cool dude.

01:43:36.000 I was just on his podcast a couple weeks ago.

01:43:37.000 I haven't met him yet.

01:43:38.000 Awesome.

01:43:39.000 Massie is great.

01:43:40.000 Massie unfollowed me because he got butthurt when I was making jokes about Ron Paul, but the jokes weren't about Ron Paul, they were about Joe Biden.

01:43:47.000 Thomas Massey said, the MORE Act is supposed to make marijuana more legal, but it creates more crimes, more federal taxes, more government spending, and more central planning.

01:43:55.000 Yeah, the federal taxes.

01:43:57.000 But it makes more crimes.

01:43:58.000 Probably through taxes.

01:44:00.000 Yeah, makes sense.

01:44:01.000 I knew there was going to be something about it.

01:44:03.000 Some catch.

01:44:03.000 It looks so good at face value.

01:44:05.000 They're so good at that, at crafting them to look good at face value.

01:44:07.000 Of course, they always look good.

01:44:08.000 That's their biggest skill.

01:44:09.000 I know.

01:44:10.000 Making evil things seem like, how could you possibly be against this?

01:44:13.000 Not only their biggest skill, their only one.

01:44:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:15.000 It really is, yeah.

01:44:15.000 All right.

01:44:16.000 Orangejuice410404 says, listening to yesterday's IRL episode, Google Podcasts, I found it ironic that an ad for CNN Plus played, and I quote, quote, get access to live news and shows from trusted journalists.

01:44:28.000 Talk about out of touch.

01:44:30.000 I just love the idea that someone at CNN was like, can we buy ads on Tim Pool's show?

01:44:35.000 He really hates us.

01:44:37.000 They must have bought a mass batch.

01:44:39.000 They probably just said news and politics.

01:44:43.000 But good, good.

01:44:43.000 I'm glad they're doing it.

01:44:44.000 When Bloomberg did that big campaign and people were like, Tim, Bloomberg ads are appearing on your videos.

01:44:49.000 And I was like, great, because it's basically this.

01:44:52.000 You can watch a video game video and get a Bloomberg ad, and then you're just listening to BS.

01:44:57.000 Or you can listen to a Bloomberg ad and then see me debunk it.

01:45:00.000 So good.

01:45:01.000 I'll take his money.

01:45:01.000 I just, I want to shamelessly self-promote here, but when those ads were going out, we made a Freedom Tunes cartoon about his ads.

01:45:07.000 I really want you guys to go check that out.

01:45:09.000 That one's awesome, yeah.

01:45:11.000 Tim's doing the research again.

01:45:12.000 It was Barack Obama that told me, not me directly, that Roosevelt would go and he'd leave the White House for like a week at a time.

01:45:18.000 That's interesting.

01:45:19.000 I like that Barack Obama told me.

01:45:21.000 I don't mean me directly, I'm like, what do you mean by that term?

01:45:23.000 I found Barack Obama on a hunting trip. He's like, oh Roosevelt. He's doing

01:45:27.000 Like he was still a great president Even though he was a republican. He was gone. No when obama

01:45:35.000 got in he was like my favorite president is abraham lincoln And then when he left, he said, my favorite president was Teddy Roosevelt.

01:45:41.000 Because when he came in, he was ready to do it and whatever it took.

01:45:44.000 And then he got co-opted and he's like, no, no, no.

01:45:46.000 Let's just be the boisterous.

01:45:48.000 Yeah.

01:45:48.000 He said those things.

01:45:48.000 Teddy Roosevelt got shot and he finished the speech.

01:45:52.000 True story.

01:45:53.000 All right.

01:45:53.000 We got Venice Beach Dub Club.

01:45:55.000 Lydia, that's dark.

01:45:56.000 It's true.

01:45:57.000 You were advocating for Obama.

01:45:58.000 Good Lord.

01:45:59.000 We all heard it.

01:46:00.000 Oh my gosh.

01:46:00.000 All right, Michael.

01:46:01.000 Thank you.

01:46:01.000 All right.

01:46:02.000 You may finish the speech.

01:46:03.000 Venice Beach Dub Club says Tim's theory about DMT amount DMT amount present in your system relating to your connection to God equals midichlorians and the force from Star Wars episode one.

01:46:14.000 Oh God.

01:46:14.000 Is everyone who watches the show a nerd?

01:46:15.000 Yeah.

01:46:16.000 I hated that midi-chlorian thing, but I guess they're right. 1.00

01:46:19.000 Could you imagine being as uncultured as Michael Malice?

01:46:21.000 Dude, what if you could have so much DMT access that you were a Jedi? 0.67

01:46:26.000 That's the most Ian thing I've ever heard you say.

01:46:30.000 There's like a Russian military chemical called AMT, amethyltryptamine, which is apparently like the limitless drug where people will be like for 12 hour states, they'll have like everything will synchronize and crazy.

01:46:41.000 Is that like ayahuasca?

01:46:44.000 I don't know.

01:46:44.000 I think it's more like DMT, but like extended DMT.

01:46:46.000 But DMT is like Ayahuasca.

01:46:47.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:46:47.000 Ayahuasca makes you produce long-form DMT.

01:46:51.000 Alright, KKC says, Tim trying to describe DMT in the multiverse just feels like the Time Lords and the Untempered Schism but with more steps.

01:47:00.000 By the way, I want to say something that's going to upset every single person listening to this and everyone in this room, which is we are about two years out, three years out from corporate psychedelics.

01:47:11.000 Which is going to be the biggest nightmare that has ever existed.

01:47:14.000 And they're going to be in the metaverse with psychedelics.

01:47:16.000 Oh, God.

01:47:17.000 I know, I think we're heading there, but I think there's... I don't think it's too much of a stretch at all, because there is... It's not a stretch.

01:47:24.000 There's something very consumerist about the idea, too.

01:47:26.000 Of course.

01:47:26.000 About the idea of taking psychedelics in general.

01:47:29.000 Like, I have a product I can give you that will give you spiritual enlightenment.

01:47:32.000 Like, it is a product, you will take it, and then you will come out... They're already tourist to reality to begin with, so it's not much of a stretch at all.

01:47:40.000 Brandon Lesko says, we're from the 4D government and we're here to help.

01:47:44.000 Thank you, Brandon.

01:47:44.000 Is there a fourth dimensional government?

01:47:46.000 Yeah, probably.

01:47:46.000 With the machine elves?

01:47:48.000 Yeah, the UN.

01:47:48.000 Bobcat says, as a Timcast member, I would like to thank Tim, the science pool, for giving failed cartoonists like Seamus a job in these trying times.

01:47:55.000 Oh my god, sponsored by Whole Foods Lucky Charms with DMT. Bobcat says as a Timcast member

01:48:02.000 I would like to thank Tim the science pool for giving failed cartoonists like Seamus a job in these trying times

01:48:07.000 First of all, Tim Cape to be begging Seamus, they're gonna turn the lights out.

01:48:12.000 They're gonna turn them out. 0.86

01:48:13.000 I need another role.

01:48:14.000 I said, I created a character.

01:48:16.000 I said, what if he's a little, little, little, little gremlin type named Dr. Fauci? 0.81

01:48:21.000 He's a fun character.

01:48:23.000 People love him.

01:48:24.000 It's how Tim got his name.

01:48:25.000 Okay?

01:48:26.000 Auntie C says the book of Hebrews in the Bible says this world is a shadow of the original heaven.

01:48:31.000 Oh, is that right?

01:48:32.000 In heaven.

01:48:32.000 What, what verse?

01:48:34.000 Is that true, Seamus?

01:48:35.000 I would look up the verse in translation.

01:48:36.000 I'm not sure.

01:48:38.000 What book of the Bible is that?

01:48:39.000 The book of Hebrews and the Bible.

01:48:40.000 Oh, wow.

01:48:40.000 That's interesting.

01:48:41.000 This world is a shadow of the original in heaven.

01:48:43.000 I believe that's correct.

01:48:44.000 I truly believe that they were on psychedelics daily.

01:48:47.000 We heard you.

01:48:47.000 Ian, you believe everyone's on psychedelics?

01:48:48.000 I thought that it was like a part of their diet.

01:48:51.000 They were always on it.

01:48:52.000 If that was true, they would still be on it because Judaism really has kept a straight line in many ways from those times, especially the people at the top, the very religious ones.

01:48:59.000 Like the Kabbalah?

01:49:01.000 Is that what it is?

01:49:01.000 That's Middle Ages.

01:49:02.000 That came much later.

01:49:03.000 All right.

01:49:04.000 Adam Milney says, Michael should reach out to Destiny for an interview.

01:49:08.000 His recent Twitch ban would be a fantastic conversation for You're Welcome.

01:49:12.000 Okay.

01:49:12.000 You familiar with Destiny?

01:49:13.000 I know the name.

01:49:14.000 I did a live stream.

01:49:16.000 I was signing books with Blair.

01:49:17.000 She was helping me in LA.

01:49:19.000 And people said I should have him on the show.

01:49:21.000 Yeah, I think you'd have a really good time.

01:49:22.000 But I said it wouldn't be a bad idea because I know he's done Jesse Lee Peterson's show and they had a good time.

01:49:26.000 He's, uh, he, I think he knows a lot.

01:49:29.000 He knows what he's talking about.

01:49:30.000 Would you recommend him?

01:49:31.000 Yeah.

01:49:31.000 That's all I need to hear.

01:49:32.000 Okay.

01:49:32.000 But he's more of like an establishment lefty kind of personality.

01:49:35.000 As long as he's not going to be an ass, I'm fine with it. 0.99

01:49:37.000 Well, I mean. 0.99

01:49:39.000 What?

01:49:41.000 How do you describe Destiny?

01:49:42.000 He's aggressive.

01:49:43.000 I mean, is he going to be—am I going to regret having him on?

01:49:45.000 He's verbose.

01:49:46.000 I don't think so.

01:49:47.000 I think he'll really enjoy having him on.

01:49:48.000 Yeah, if we disagree, I don't care. 0.99

01:49:49.000 I just don't need him to be like a jerk about it. 0.98

01:49:52.000 So we had him here, and he talked about how COVID and the emergency is the perfect time to have government come in and make all these changes, because when else would you do it? 0.99

01:50:03.000 That's true.

01:50:03.000 He's pro-woke, so he knows what critical race theory is and he likes and agrees with it.

01:50:09.000 And he also said Kyle Rittenhouse was the clearest cut case of self-defense he's ever seen.

01:50:13.000 Okay, anyone who is even a little on their own path, I like those kind of people.

01:50:18.000 I don't have to agree with them.

01:50:19.000 And Twitch bans him all the time because he doesn't... How do I reach out?

01:50:23.000 I'll figure out how to get hold of him.

01:50:24.000 He's got a big subreddit, but I think you guys have a great conversation.

01:50:27.000 Okay, that's a no-brainer then.

01:50:29.000 Yeah, you know, we had him here.

01:50:30.000 A lot of people thought it was going to be this, like, generic right versus left, or, like, libertarian versus authoritarian.

01:50:35.000 And it's like, we agreed on a lot of things.

01:50:36.000 Yeah, I love getting along.

01:50:38.000 I get along very well with red-pilled leftists.

01:50:39.000 Even if they're a little bit red-pilled.

01:50:41.000 I don't know if he's a leftist, though.

01:50:42.000 I mean, maybe he is.

01:50:43.000 If he's for critical race theory, he's not a right-winger.

01:50:45.000 That's true.

01:50:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:47.000 All right.

01:50:47.000 NOS says, some people who are religious think that we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

01:50:52.000 We come to this earth to have human experiences, maybe from the DMT source IDK. 0.98

01:50:59.000 So did you look up the shadow thing in Hebrews?

01:51:01.000 Let me pull it up.

01:51:02.000 I looked it up immediately, forgot it, and got back to the conversation.

01:51:06.000 I'm also not sure which verse they're referring to.

01:51:08.000 Would you look up the word shadow in that chapter?

01:51:10.000 In that book, rather.

01:51:11.000 Shadow.

01:51:13.000 All right.

01:51:13.000 Sargon of Assyria says... What?

01:51:17.000 Well, instead of Sargon of Akkad, it's Sargon of Assyria?

01:51:19.000 I don't know.

01:51:21.000 Maybe.

01:51:21.000 I guess.

01:51:22.000 It's just funny.

01:51:23.000 Happy Akkidzu, everyone.

01:51:24.000 It is the Assyrian New Year.

01:51:26.000 It is still celebrated in northern Iraq, Assyria, with the help of Gishru.com.

01:51:30.000 Many of us in diaspora get to celebrate this festival with our people back home.

01:51:35.000 This podcast is amazing.

01:51:36.000 Thank you all.

01:51:37.000 Hey, thank you very much.

01:51:38.000 Thanks, man.

01:51:38.000 Yeah, and shout out to all the refugees from Iraq and Iran who are making it happen.

01:51:42.000 They can't live in their homeland, so I can relate to that. 0.98

01:51:46.000 All the cool Persians out there.

01:51:48.000 Forest Horlacher says, whoa, joined late and feel like I'm the one who's high with all the drug god talk and seeing two Tims.

01:51:54.000 Love y'all, keep up the good fight, even Michael.

01:51:57.000 If you're seeing two Tims, maybe something's wrong with your eyes.

01:52:00.000 Keep up the good fight, even Michael?

01:52:03.000 What does that even mean?

01:52:04.000 I guess you didn't need the support or something.

01:52:07.000 Oh, okay.

01:52:08.000 Even Michael, who hates fighting.

01:52:10.000 Or is only on the bad fight.

01:52:12.000 BrettAintDead says, Smoked DMT multiple times.

01:52:15.000 One time I was abducted, taken into space.

01:52:17.000 My soul, in between the space, in between the space, between space.

01:52:22.000 Chanted to in a language older than time.

01:52:25.000 We are energy, finite.

01:52:26.000 I did it by myself, FYI.

01:52:27.000 God is real.

01:52:29.000 How would you liken it, Michael?

01:52:30.000 I guess you have maybe more experience than anyone here with it, particularly.

01:52:33.000 With what?

01:52:34.000 To a dream.

01:52:34.000 To dimethyltryptamine.

01:52:35.000 No, I don't.

01:52:36.000 Okay.

01:52:36.000 Imagine that you did.

01:52:37.000 Okay.

01:52:37.000 How would you liken it to a dream?

01:52:40.000 My understanding is it's extremely different because dreams are much more ephemeral.

01:52:45.000 You can't really remember it.

01:52:46.000 Sometimes you know, and I think when people break the veil, they know they're breaking the veil.

01:52:51.000 When you're dreaming, you don't always know you're dreaming.

01:52:52.000 And I think dreams are less coherent than DMT trips, to my understanding.

01:52:56.000 I've never DMT tripped, but a long time ago I did a bunch of things to make it so that you lucid dream more often.

01:53:03.000 And so, like, basically all of my dreams are lucid dreams.

01:53:06.000 But there's, like, basic things you do.

01:53:08.000 One, you're, like, wearing a watch all the time.

01:53:09.000 And then you'll just, like, snap it.

01:53:11.000 And so then when you have a dream, you'll look at your wrist and you'll see it and you'll be like, this is not working right.

01:53:16.000 I'm dreaming.

01:53:16.000 And instantly you come out of it.

01:53:18.000 And there's other things you can do.

01:53:19.000 It's called walking into a dream.

01:53:20.000 It's where you just use your imagination as you're going to sleep and craft the dream as you enter the sleep state.

01:53:26.000 So these are things that I'd be interested to see studies on DMT experience while you're already sleeping to have it like an injection in someone.

01:53:33.000 That's a great question.

01:53:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:35.000 Yeah.

01:53:36.000 Who's doing those studies?

01:53:37.000 I think in England they've been doing some extended state stuff.

01:53:39.000 I don't know.

01:53:40.000 But how can we trust the studies?

01:53:41.000 What if they're just saying the study happened, but they took DMT and wrote down the hallucination?

01:53:44.000 Gotta do it for myself to know.

01:53:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:53:46.000 He didn't get it.

01:53:47.000 I got it.

01:53:47.000 Yeah, I was already confirmed that I'm going to do it myself.

01:53:50.000 I'd have to in that case.

01:53:51.000 Alright, I got you, Shane.

01:53:52.000 ForcedNameChange says, Hey guys, we live in a 3D universe consisting of three axes at 90 degrees to each other.

01:53:59.000 There is one more dimension at 90 degrees to these inwards.

01:54:02.000 That's why you feel a spirit in you and makes black holes 4D objects.

01:54:07.000 Yeah, it's a spiral.

01:54:08.000 That one going in, it's not a straight line in.

01:54:11.000 None of those lines are straight in the three-dimensional, the X, Y, Z axis.

01:54:14.000 None of them are straight lines.

01:54:15.000 They seem straight, but they're not.

01:54:16.000 And the one going in is like a corkscrew, I think, that can expand and contract.

01:54:21.000 But then I guess they all could.

01:54:23.000 Paul McGrath says, in the Bible, the word for witchcraft can be translated as pharmaceutical.

01:54:28.000 Or it just says translated pharmaceutical.

01:54:30.000 Is that what you mean?

01:54:31.000 That seems crazy.

01:54:34.000 I'm interested in the citation.

01:54:35.000 You still haven't found it, Seamus?

01:54:36.000 Yeah, well, so I pulled, I just searched Book of Hebrews and Shadow and I found two verses so far, neither of which seem to say that the world is a shadow, so I'm still looking.

01:54:45.000 We got trolled.

01:54:47.000 I'm looking forward to it.

01:54:48.000 So I have to be very careful about this stuff.

01:54:50.000 Neboopsh says, The Irishman's Dilemma.

01:54:53.000 What?

01:54:53.000 Should I eat the potato now or should I wait for it to ferment and drink it later?

01:54:57.000 It's really offensive.

01:54:59.000 It's not a dilemma, you wait for it to ferment, come on!

01:55:01.000 But Irish people don't drink vodka.

01:55:03.000 Yes, someone made that joke about how is it that you live in a country where all the food is based on potatoes and you can't figure out vodka.

01:55:11.000 I forgot who that was, it was someone.

01:55:12.000 That's funny too.

01:55:13.000 Because you already had enough whiskey.

01:55:17.000 Kay Goblin says the Bible was written by a series of multiple authorities separated over time across the centuries.

01:55:22.000 Cribbing off the last that it's made, authority definitely had an influence, just not one authority.

01:55:28.000 That's what I thought it was.

01:55:30.000 But I mean, the original authorities were just the people that hung out with Jesus?

01:55:32.000 Yeah, I guess it depends.

01:55:33.000 Like, how are they defining authorities?

01:55:35.000 Like, are they saying government authorities got down and wrote this?

01:55:37.000 I'm not sure what their point is.

01:55:38.000 Because that's not the case.

01:55:39.000 Who was the originals?

01:55:40.000 Like, were they Jesus's friends?

01:55:43.000 Um, so it depends on the book you're talking about.

01:55:45.000 You can read through the script.

01:55:46.000 You have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

01:55:48.000 You know Matthew, Jesus's friend.

01:55:50.000 Oh yeah, he's great!

01:55:51.000 But were they, like, after him?

01:55:52.000 Were they after Jesus?

01:55:54.000 You know, Paul, I knew him when he was Saul.

01:55:57.000 So they wrote about the stories about Jesus.

01:55:59.000 They weren't like his, all his compatriots got slaughtered, right? 0.99

01:56:02.000 No, they wrote a lot of the New Testament.

01:56:04.000 Oh my gosh.

01:56:05.000 Okay.

01:56:05.000 Yes.

01:56:06.000 Yes.

01:56:06.000 I'm such a noob.

01:56:08.000 A lot of his friends.

01:56:09.000 I was going to say, I found a verse in Hebrews 8, 4 and 5.

01:56:13.000 It says, For if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, seeing there are priests who offer the gifts according to the Torah, who serve a copy and a shadow of the heavenly things, even as Moses was warned by God when he was about to make the tabernacle.

01:56:26.000 For he said, See, you shall make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.

01:56:30.000 So I don't see that as being a direct one-to-one.

01:56:31.000 No, not at all.

01:56:32.000 That's saying more that they're doing a pale reflection of reality, which is still real, like they're being phonies.

01:56:39.000 Right, yeah, so it's not a full, it's not exactly what they're saying.

01:56:42.000 All right, David Robinson says, machine elves are beings taking DMT and telling their friends about the flesh dwarves they taught. 1.00

01:56:49.000 That makes sense.

01:56:51.000 And they says, please have Justin Amash on.

01:56:54.000 We haven't, but perhaps we will.

01:56:56.000 I was very critical of him in the past because he came out hard against Trump at a time when I felt that Trump was being unfairly maligned in the press.

01:57:03.000 They keep asking about it.

01:57:04.000 He has a very good argument for it.

01:57:08.000 So I like him.

01:57:10.000 He's grown on me a lot.

01:57:11.000 Considering he's made some good votes, I was like, oh, all right, interesting.

01:57:16.000 But I remember his first thing was just being like, the Republicans are bad and coming out.

01:57:22.000 And it's like, well, he's not wrong.

01:57:23.000 His point when I was just on his podcast, he goes, more presidents should be impeached.

01:57:28.000 He's like, we let them get away with too much.

01:57:29.000 And that was actually a good argument.

01:57:31.000 It is.

01:57:32.000 It is. 1.00

01:57:33.000 And the Republicans are trash. 1.00

01:57:34.000 It's just there are some good people who run as Republicans. 1.00

01:57:37.000 Right. 1.00

01:57:38.000 Democrats are trash as well. 1.00

01:57:39.000 There's substantially less good people who run as Democrats. 0.99

01:57:41.000 But I don't know.

01:57:42.000 Tulsi did for whatever reason, although they call her right wing. 1.00

01:57:45.000 Where's she going to run? 1.00

01:57:46.000 In Hawaii, you have to run as a Democrat.

01:57:48.000 Right.

01:57:48.000 Exactly.

01:57:48.000 Yeah.

01:57:49.000 And she's a lefty. 1.00

01:57:50.000 I mean, she's for hardcore welfare state socialized, you know, you know, but she believes in the truth Yeah, that means she's right wing and she doesn't like war G says Ezekiel 1 1 4 8 could this be Ian's machine elves probably not but it will blow Ian's mind 1-1-4-8. 0.55

01:58:06.000 Ezekiel 1-1-4-8.

01:58:07.000 If Ian wants his mind blown, he needs to read the Book of Enoch, which is apocryphal.

01:58:12.000 But that has all the stuff.

01:58:13.000 Is that where he goes to space?

01:58:15.000 No, that's where the Nephilim are. 0.89

01:58:18.000 Oh, the Nephilim aren't in the Bible?

01:58:20.000 There's one verse of them only, and it's not clear what they are.

01:58:22.000 What's that?

01:58:24.000 Aren't they like angel-human hybrids?

01:58:27.000 That's the question.

01:58:28.000 There's a verse about the sons of God or something like that.

01:58:32.000 It's not clear exactly what's being referenced.

01:58:37.000 There's one word and so people that describe it and it's mysterious and so because it's mysterious people have just extrapolated so many explanations for it over the years.

01:58:45.000 Why is the book of Enoch apocryphal?

01:58:47.000 Because the Nicene Council said this isn't Bible.

01:58:51.000 So it is Bible but they just said no.

01:58:52.000 But that's not a Bible.

01:58:53.000 The Bible is what has been officially validated as the books of the Bible.

01:58:58.000 There's also the youthful gospel of Christ, I forget what it's called.

01:59:03.000 So you're saying the book of Enoch was like fan fiction and they were like, get out of here, that's not canon.

01:59:08.000 Kinda, I wouldn't say fan-fationally.

01:59:10.000 There were different accounts that were either determined to be unreliable for whatever reason, or not holy scripture.

01:59:17.000 Or doesn't add up to the rest of the stuff.

01:59:18.000 What's interesting is that I think there's verses in the Bible that refer to books that have been deemed apocryphal, so that was kind of an issue for them.

01:59:25.000 Thank you, yes.

01:59:27.000 Enoch was Noah's grandfather.

01:59:29.000 Polaris589 says, get Michael Malice and John Maddingly on at the same time.

01:59:34.000 Oh no, I don't want World War 3. 0.92

01:59:35.000 It wouldn't be World War 3, it would be slaughtering a pig.

01:59:38.000 Ooh, choice words. 0.60

01:59:41.000 Oink, oink. 0.75

01:59:42.000 Daniel Thompson says, John Madden, he's the cop we had on, he was in the Breonna Taylor incident.

01:59:47.000 Oh, you had him on?

01:59:48.000 Oh my god, your numbers must have been zero.

01:59:48.000 Yeah, just the other day.

01:59:50.000 Oh, it was the biggest show we've ever had.

01:59:52.000 Everybody was like, this guy's so much better than Michael.

01:59:54.000 That's about right.

01:59:56.000 Sweet! 0.95

01:59:57.000 Sweet! 0.95

01:59:58.000 Daniel Thompson says, First time Super Chatter. 0.73

02:00:01.000 You should have Jennifer Ruth Green on your show. 1.00

02:00:03.000 She is a conservative running in the first district in Indiana.

02:00:06.000 She's a 20-year-old Air Force veteran that has a good chance of flipping the district. 1.00

02:00:10.000 Interesting.

02:00:11.000 Yeah, well, you wanna write down Jennifer Ruth Green?

02:00:14.000 That's fun.

02:00:15.000 I'd love to get some, you know, like, sane, honest Democrats.

02:00:21.000 I think they're all Republicans now.

02:00:22.000 I know, for real.

02:00:23.000 At least not Democrats anymore.

02:00:24.000 But they'd have a huge cost coming under here.

02:00:26.000 I know, they won't do it.

02:00:27.000 Look, Tulsi Gabbard wants gun control, and she opposes nuclear energy. 1.00

02:00:31.000 There's a bunch of things that are just very much in line with the left.

02:00:34.000 But then she's like, oh, that stuff they report in the news about Hunter Biden is true.

02:00:37.000 And they're like, she's conservative.

02:00:38.000 No, she's a Russian asset.

02:00:40.000 Right, she's a Russian agent. 0.95

02:00:41.000 And she's pro-Putin.

02:00:42.000 Only someone who's pro-Putin would say that these aren't Photoshop photos of him with a ruler next to his generals.

02:00:48.000 Exactly.

02:00:49.000 Lumberjack says, I can totally relate to Mr. Malice. 1.00

02:00:52.000 Nerds, nerds, nerds. 1.00

02:00:53.000 Thank you, Lumberjack.

02:00:54.000 I'm also Lumberjack and I'm okay.

02:00:56.000 That's not an insult, that's just a fact of life.

02:00:58.000 I agree with that.

02:00:59.000 So say the Lobster Lumberjack. 0.85

02:01:00.000 This is the way.

02:01:02.000 Star Trek or Star Wars?

02:01:03.000 Star Wars.

02:01:04.000 You don't get me started.

02:01:05.000 Are you kidding?

02:01:05.000 If you look at the bi- Oh god, this is like the fourth time I have to give this speech.

02:01:09.000 If you look at the biodiversity just on Earth's deep sea, right?

02:01:12.000 And then you look at Star Trek where they go to other planets and it's a guy who's got blue skin?

02:01:16.000 Are you kidding me?

02:01:17.000 Listen to this guy who doesn't know anything about Star Trek.

02:01:19.000 I don't need to know, that's all I had.

02:01:21.000 I knew enough and I'm like, I'm out of here.

02:01:22.000 Bro, you see- Where Star Wars, look at the Jabba's Palace, look at the- Let me, let me, let me correct you, you incorrect man.

02:01:30.000 The first- Highly logical.

02:01:32.000 The first mistake you're making is when people compare Star Trek to Star Wars, is the first mistake.

02:01:37.000 They just asked me to compare them.

02:01:39.000 Yeah.

02:01:40.000 And right, this is the first mistake.

02:01:41.000 Oops.

02:01:42.000 Right.

02:01:43.000 So this is not on you.

02:01:44.000 Star Wars is a fantasy adventure.

02:01:45.000 Star Trek is naval tradition and civil libertarianism explored through the lens of technological

02:01:50.000 advancement and cultural development in other worlds.

02:01:53.000 The reason why in Star Trek everybody's humanoid is we can't afford it. 0.84

02:01:59.000 It was the 60s and they just put people in costumes and the budgets were so trash that

02:02:03.000 sometimes the Star Trek crew would just go into like a white room and it was like, oh,

02:02:06.000 in a... because they didn't have the budget for it.

02:02:08.000 Do you know why you can't watch Star Trek in Florida? 0.98

02:02:11.000 Because it's gay. 0.99

02:02:15.000 Have you watched Star Trek? 0.96

02:02:18.000 Yes.

02:02:19.000 Very little of it.

02:02:19.000 I hate it.

02:02:21.000 You've not watched The Next Generation?

02:02:23.000 No.

02:02:24.000 That's a good one.

02:02:25.000 That's the one I like.

02:02:26.000 This is the issue.

02:02:27.000 You're so closed-minded, Michael.

02:02:29.000 Okay, I'm fine with that.

02:02:30.000 I'll tell you what the show's about.

02:02:31.000 Maybe I should take some DMT and watch Star Trek.

02:02:33.000 If you think you're going to watch Star Trek and get a Star Wars-like experience with people force-pushing and laser-sorting, you're wrong.

02:02:39.000 What Star Trek is, is a captain and a commander with naval traditions saying, terrorists have engaged this planet, how do we deal with it?

02:02:46.000 Data the android is like, I don't understand why you're so resistant to terrorism, why it's considered wrong when it's been so effective throughout history, such as in these particular moments.

02:02:55.000 And they're like, how do we deal with this problem?

02:02:56.000 Or there's one where the state...

02:02:58.000 You're not selling it to me.

02:02:59.000 The state tries to seize the child and Captain Picard says, forcing a man to give up his child to the state, not while

02:03:05.000 I'm captain.

02:03:05.000 And they're sitting down having a conversation about why it's wrong for the state

02:03:09.000 to claim dominion over someone's children.

02:03:12.000 Okay.

02:03:13.000 It's not laser swords.

02:03:14.000 It's literally a guy being like, free speech. 1.00

02:03:17.000 There's so much good shit. 1.00

02:03:20.000 You got me swearing now. 1.00

02:03:23.000 When the first chain of the link is forged, the first word censured, we are all irrevocably chained or whatever.

02:03:28.000 It's a great quote.

02:03:29.000 Then there's also the storyline where Picard is being tortured.

02:03:33.000 I know how he felt.

02:03:34.000 And there's four lights at the table.

02:03:37.000 I know there's three lights, yeah, I get it.

02:03:38.000 There's four lights.

02:03:39.000 Okay.

02:03:40.000 And it's just like, you gotta watch it, man.

02:03:41.000 I think I'm more of a Star Wars guy, just because of the force.

02:03:44.000 I think it's real.

02:03:45.000 But Star Wars is like, I'm gonna defeat the evil Dooku, and Star Trek is like... It got bad. 1.00

02:03:50.000 The first three, after that I gave up.

02:03:51.000 Bro, in Deep Space Nine, there's like, a war's breaking out, they're trying to convince another faction to join them, so they stage a false flag attack on a senator from Romulan Empire to trick them into joining the war on their side.

02:04:03.000 Okay.

02:04:04.000 It's just amazing.

02:04:05.000 It's politics.

02:04:05.000 If you like politics, you'd like it.

02:04:07.000 I don't know about that.

02:04:08.000 Oh, man.

02:04:09.000 I don't know.

02:04:10.000 I feel like you could take a lot of the sci-fi backdrop out of it and you're just watching the exploration of ideas around political concepts.

02:04:16.000 Then why they have a guy with a wrinkle on his head and call him an alien?

02:04:19.000 Yeah, that's a good question.

02:04:21.000 It's just a mechanism for having these plots around philosophical concepts and ethics, morals, and technology.

02:04:28.000 And to tell you the story, to spoil it for you, it's because the progenitors seeded their DNA throughout the galaxy.

02:04:36.000 Panspermium.

02:04:37.000 But you see, you get lost in the sci-fi instead of exploring the political... I'm very skeptical that a syndicated show is going to treat these issues in a way that I would find interesting.

02:04:50.000 When the Admiral tells Picard, you are jeopardizing your command and career because he's refusing to give someone's child to the state, and then he says, there comes a time when men of good conscience will defy orders given.

02:05:03.000 To hand over, to force a man to hand his child over to the state, not while I'm captain.

02:05:08.000 Okay.

02:05:08.000 It's amazing!

02:05:09.000 I agree with him.

02:05:10.000 I'm sitting there and I'm like, yes!

02:05:11.000 I know, that's why you'd love it.

02:05:12.000 Because so much of what you believe would be reflected and explored through, like, in certain situations where you'd be like, wow.

02:05:21.000 You know, these ideas conflicting and how they're clashed and how you resolve them.

02:05:24.000 Okay, I'm gonna have to, like, get people to, like, raise, like, a grand and then I'll watch, what, the first six episodes?

02:05:30.000 Uh, the challenge is, there's something called Riker's Beard.

02:05:32.000 You ever hear of this concept?

02:05:33.000 Oh, God, no.

02:05:35.000 You know jumping the sharkies?

02:05:36.000 Yes, of course.

02:05:37.000 Riker's beard is the opposite.

02:05:38.000 It's when things get good.

02:05:39.000 It's when things get good.

02:05:40.000 So in the second season, it's when Jonathan Frakes grew a beard and the show really started to kick off.

02:05:45.000 Yeah, the first season was really awkward.

02:05:46.000 You're not going to convince me that things get better when someone grows a beard.

02:05:48.000 I assure you it gets much, much worse!

02:05:51.000 And I speak from experience!

02:05:52.000 Their acting was really rigid in the first season.

02:05:55.000 Everyone was standing really still, didn't really know each other as people.

02:05:57.000 Like, they were just working together as actors.

02:05:59.000 You can tell they're getting to know each other.

02:06:01.000 But, bro, like, the Ferengi. 1.00

02:06:02.000 You know what the Ferengi are? 1.00

02:06:04.000 Aren't they the... me?

02:06:05.000 Yeah.

02:06:06.000 They're like their motto is caveat emptor. Yeah, it's it's amazing. They didn't develop warp tech. So here's how it

02:06:14.000 works Civilizations will develop warp technology allowing faster

02:06:17.000 than light travel the Federation then greets them around this time

02:06:20.000 Like you're now entering the galactic community. We're gonna talk to you the Ferengi bought it 1.00

02:06:24.000 They figured out how to trade and manipulate their way into technology. They're not culturally developed to enough to

02:06:28.000 understand it It's such brilliant writing across the board.

02:06:32.000 There's some bad stuff.

02:06:33.000 Voyager's kinda eh, but you know what, man?

02:06:35.000 Is Voyager with a girl?

02:06:36.000 Voyager, it's the first time they had a female captain and the entire plot is they get lost. 0.98

02:06:40.000 They have to make their way back home.

02:06:41.000 It's true!

02:06:41.000 That's the whole series.

02:06:42.000 It's true!

02:06:44.000 Literally, the first episode they get lost, and the whole series is they're trying to get back to Earth.

02:06:48.000 To be fair, a powerful entity sucks them something like $70,000.

02:06:51.000 There's always an excuse.

02:06:53.000 Was that powerful entity a clothing sale?

02:06:56.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:06:58.000 A shoe store.

02:06:59.000 30% off?

02:06:59.000 There's a lot of gravity coming out of that.

02:07:02.000 We can't resist this!

02:07:03.000 Come on, gals! 1.00

02:07:04.000 Grab your purses! 0.80

02:07:06.000 I think you need to find someone to just be like, here, watch one episode.

02:07:09.000 Because you probably wouldn't like all of it.

02:07:11.000 Okay.

02:07:11.000 But there's like such good political moments in it.

02:07:13.000 I'll raise a grand and I'll watch three.

02:07:15.000 Perfect.

02:07:16.000 Okay.

02:07:17.000 If you recorded yourself watching and commenting.

02:07:20.000 I will pay you $1,000 to do a live, to do a reaction as you watch.

02:07:25.000 I will watch them with an open mind.

02:07:27.000 Yes.

02:07:28.000 I want to like it.

02:07:29.000 If I like it, there's a lot of material for me to consume.

02:07:31.000 It doesn't really sound like you want to like it.

02:07:32.000 No, no, I want to like it.

02:07:33.000 It just seems everything I've seen makes me seem that old.

02:07:35.000 Because I love looking for new shows to watch.

02:07:38.000 You can watch Legendary so many times.

02:07:39.000 Check it out.

02:07:40.000 So in the original series, there's the bad guys, the Klingons. 1.00

02:07:43.000 They're just like bad guys.

02:07:44.000 In the next generation, all of a sudden, there's like a Klingon on the Federation ship.

02:07:47.000 They're good guys now.

02:07:48.000 What they wrote was, the Klingons are an honor culture.

02:07:53.000 They're very much, you have to have honor and be a warrior.

02:07:55.000 So there's another race called the Romulans.

02:07:57.000 It's based on like Roman style, and they're passion-driven.

02:08:02.000 So, uh, one day, or stardate or whatever, the Romulans are attacking a Klingon civilian colonial outpost, and they send off a distress signal. 0.87

02:08:10.000 The, uh, earlier version of the Enterprise responds to their enemy, the Klingons' distress signal, to try and save the women and the children, and end up dying in an effort to save people from this Romulan attack.

02:08:22.000 And the Klingons see that as an honorable, you know, as honor, and they see the Romulans as a dishonorable, and that creates the alliance between the Klingon Empire. 0.97

02:08:29.000 It's very noble of you to refer to Klingons as people.

02:08:32.000 Yes.

02:08:33.000 Anyway, thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:08:35.000 Make sure you smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends.

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02:08:43.000 Michael, you want to shout anything out?

02:08:44.000 Michael Malice on Twitter, Michael Malice Official on YouTube.

02:08:49.000 And I'm really glad to have done this.

02:08:51.000 I'll see you guys soon.

02:08:51.000 Absolutely.

02:08:52.000 Yeah, this was a great time.

02:08:53.000 I want to mention and shout out 1776 Flag Company, who made this as a gift for Tim Kast, the place behind me.

02:09:00.000 Thank you very much.

02:09:02.000 And I want to shout out my cartoon, Freedom Tunes.

02:09:03.000 Please go check it out.

02:09:04.000 I think you guys will enjoy it.

02:09:06.000 Also, I want to circle back to your show, You're Welcome, which always, never disappoints, always is awesome.

02:09:12.000 Very intelligently done.

02:09:13.000 And that's on YouTube.

02:09:14.000 Is that just search for You're Welcome?

02:09:16.000 Absolutely.

02:09:16.000 It's without the apostrophe.

02:09:17.000 Yes.

02:09:17.000 I like that.

02:09:18.000 It's possessive, yeah.

02:09:19.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:09:20.000 Catch you later.

02:09:21.000 Thank you guys very much for tuning in for our 500th episode with Michael Malice.

02:09:25.000 I am loving the new look.

02:09:26.000 I think that you should make this permanent.

02:09:28.000 Gonna go with it.

02:09:29.000 It's gonna be great.

02:09:30.000 Stick with it, Michael.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 01, 2022

Timcast IRL - DeSantis Threatens Disney With Legal Action For Supporting Woke Cult w-Michael Malice

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