Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Elon Musk BOUGHT Twitter, Deal Is Done And The Left Is OUTRAGED w-Ron Bassilian

00:00:00.000 You Elon Musk has bought Twitter in

00:00:10.000 It's not completely done yet because there's still got to be reviews.

00:00:14.000 There's legal issues.

00:00:16.000 The shareholders, I believe, have to vote.

00:00:18.000 But in all likelihood, it's a done deal.

00:00:20.000 And we'll see if Elon Musk is actually going to be the hero in this one.

00:00:24.000 We don't know.

00:00:25.000 Maybe he won't change the rules right away.

00:00:27.000 We will see how it will play out.

00:00:28.000 But most people are saying this is great news.

00:00:31.000 Everyone's cheering like, oh Alex Jones and Trump are gonna come back.

00:00:35.000 We'll see, we'll see.

00:00:37.000 Elon Musk has said that he wants free speech.

00:00:39.000 We'll see where his line is in free speech because it's going to be an interesting discussion.

00:00:44.000 I don't even know that Elon Musk will be able to tolerate some of the things that are free speech when it comes to what's going on with Twitter.

00:00:50.000 So we will talk about that, mostly that.

00:00:52.000 There's a lot of other news.

00:00:53.000 Trump is being held in contempt, being fined $10,000 a day in a civil court.

00:00:58.000 We've got, what else we got?

00:01:00.000 Google is going to be doing weird woke suggestions.

00:01:03.000 It's like an autocorrect thing.

00:01:06.000 So all of this is mostly floating around what's happening with Elon Musk, and we've really got to talk about the ramifications here, the deal itself.

00:01:12.000 Twitter employees are reacting, they are imploding, they are freaking out.

00:01:16.000 Blue check marks are saying the same thing conservatives said three years ago, and without a shred of irony or humility, this should be a lot of fun.

00:01:25.000 Joining us today to talk about all of this is Ron Basilian.

00:01:28.000 Ron, how's it going?

00:01:29.000 Hi, Tim.

00:01:29.000 Pleasure to be here.

00:01:30.000 Hey, so do you want to introduce yourself?

00:01:33.000 Wow, I have a bit of a resume.

00:01:36.000 We met back in 2018 at Politicon when I was running for Congress in California's 37th.

00:01:43.000 I've been involved in Republican politics in the LAGOP, California GOP.

00:01:51.000 Overall, major political presence on Twitter.

00:01:54.000 Ron for California.

00:01:55.000 That's with the number four.

00:01:58.000 Involved in city politics over in Culver City.

00:02:02.000 Big shout out to all my friends over there.

00:02:04.000 And if you want to learn about local politics, hit me up.

00:02:08.000 I think people need to get more involved in their local communities, whether it's in, you know, school board races, local races.

00:02:16.000 And, you know, as I said, I also wrote a graphic novel, Inferno Los Angeles, like 10 years ago.

00:02:22.000 So I've seen how, you know, new media is really able to take over like legacy media networks.

00:02:31.000 Right on.

00:02:31.000 Yeah.

00:02:32.000 Should be interesting.

00:02:32.000 We got Seamus hanging out.

00:02:33.000 I'm Seamus from Freedom Tunes.

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00:02:36.000 Go YouTube Freedom Tunes.

00:02:38.000 I think you guys will enjoy it.

00:02:40.000 Coming out with another cartoon this week.

00:02:42.000 I just rolled the 100-sided die.

00:02:42.000 I'm going to let you know.

00:02:43.000 Oh, it landed on a 76.

00:02:44.000 1776.

00:02:44.000 Here it comes again.

00:02:48.000 Hold on.

00:02:48.000 Say that.

00:02:49.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene got in trouble for that, buddy. 1.00

00:02:52.000 Sorry, Marge.

00:02:53.000 They did that to you.

00:02:55.000 The freedom of the American spirit is a beautiful thing, so let's keep it going tonight.

00:02:58.000 Definitely.

00:02:59.000 It's so funny to me that 1776 now means some form of rebellion, although I guess initially it did against the British, so I guess that's a good thing. 0.99

00:03:07.000 We've come full circle.

00:03:08.000 Yes, I'm excited for tonight.

00:03:09.000 It's going to be a great conversation.

00:03:10.000 I'm very excited that Elon Musk got Twitter.

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00:04:48.000 Shoutout.

00:04:49.000 Don't forget to head over to TimCast.com, where our newsroom was diligently working today when I was recording my main segment.

00:04:57.000 I'm like, at any moment, they're going to announce Elon bought Twitter.

00:05:01.000 And so my newsroom is sending all these sources and I'm pulling them into my segment in real time.

00:05:06.000 Shout out, guys.

00:05:07.000 They are employed, thanks to all of you as members.

00:05:09.000 If you like the work we're doing, become a member.

00:05:11.000 But I also have news.

00:05:13.000 Ladies and gentlemen, if you are upset that the mainstream media has been lying, if you are upset that Washington Post doxed libs of TikTok and then lied about it, well, I don't know what to tell you other than I got a billboard in Times Square, and unless they reject it, it should be up tomorrow at 9 a.m.

00:05:30.000 With your support as members, we're able to do things like that.

00:05:34.000 It basically calls out the Washington Post saying, democracy dies in darkness.

00:05:38.000 That's why we're calling you out.

00:05:39.000 Taylor Lorenz doxxed libs of TikTok.

00:05:41.000 A simple message, and I wanted to do it.

00:05:43.000 I tweeted about it.

00:05:44.000 Everyone said do it.

00:05:45.000 The guys at the Daily Wire helped put it together.

00:05:47.000 Jeremy Boring, co-CEO, said I got half on it, and I said let's do it.

00:05:51.000 Because these journalists have the nerve to go on CNN and MSNBC or wherever, say all of these things, and just try to gaslight us.

00:05:58.000 Okay, well, you know what?

00:05:59.000 We'll put up something in Times Square.

00:06:01.000 It's not like we're sending the message literally everywhere, but that's a big statement.

00:06:04.000 So that's what we're going to be doing.

00:06:06.000 I'll put it this way.

00:06:07.000 With your support as members, we're going to push back.

00:06:10.000 We are going to engage in culture, change culture, and call people out using these institutions and these machines.

00:06:16.000 I want to be like Elon Musk.

00:06:19.000 I want to do what he does when he buys Twitter to challenge the machine, but I'm not a billionaire.

00:06:22.000 So here's what we can do.

00:06:23.000 We got a billboard in Times Square.

00:06:25.000 Hopefully, It doesn't get rejected.

00:06:27.000 It might.

00:06:28.000 We'll see what happens.

00:06:29.000 But thanks for being members and making all of that possible.

00:06:32.000 We're going to keep fighting.

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00:06:36.000 Maybe we'll talk a bit more about the billboard thing and people can have some questions.

00:06:40.000 That being said, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and ladies and gentlemen, Here we are, from TimCast.com, Elon Musk successfully buys Twitter.

00:06:51.000 Twitter's board reached a deal in the billion dollar bid to sell to Tesla's CEO and take the company private.

00:06:59.000 Do you know what happens on Thursday, guys?

00:07:02.000 You tell me.

00:07:03.000 Freedom Tunes uploads a new cartoon.

00:07:04.000 Twitter's earnings report.

00:07:06.000 Oh, well that too.

00:07:08.000 And what do you think that earnings report would show?

00:07:11.000 Something good or something bad?

00:07:13.000 Bad.

00:07:14.000 Something bad.

00:07:15.000 Because Twitter's been struggling for some time.

00:07:17.000 You look at any news story over the past several months and they say Twitter is lagging, not reaching its goals.

00:07:23.000 Which means, I'm willing to bet Elon Musk played some 4D chess.

00:07:28.000 He knew the earnings report was coming up and he knew he had to act now.

00:07:32.000 He offered $54.20 per share.

00:07:35.000 If on Thursday news comes out that the earnings were not good, the stock would likely fall.

00:07:40.000 The board knows this.

00:07:41.000 They know what their earnings are.

00:07:43.000 If they rejected a $54.20 offer, knowing that their stock would be worth half that by Thursday,

00:07:51.000 they would be liable for damages for not adhering to their fiduciary duty to the shareholders.

00:07:57.000 And that could be, what, $20 billion?

00:07:59.000 If the earnings report came out and the stock dropped to $40 or $30, the board's like, nah, I don't want to be responsible for that money.

00:08:06.000 I don't want to be sued for that.

00:08:07.000 Just give them the deal.

00:08:08.000 Done.

00:08:10.000 We'll see what the investors say.

00:08:12.000 We'll see what this means.

00:08:13.000 But I think Elon Musk, he cornered them masterfully.

00:08:17.000 Their main source of their earnings, as far as I can tell, is ad revenue.

00:08:21.000 It's a very risky proposition for a company to roll that die, because if the advertisers get disenfranchised or disgruntled, they'll pull their money, which means that Twitter's basically an advertising firm.

00:08:32.000 No, I call shenanigans.

00:08:33.000 Shenanigans!

00:08:35.000 Twitter banned ads that deny their opinions on climate change.

00:08:39.000 So if Twitter is holding up their duty to their shareholders, they wouldn't say no to advertisements on political grounds.

00:08:49.000 Twitter outright said, we don't want your money if you disagree on climate science.

00:08:52.000 Interesting.

00:08:53.000 Do you think they would try to make the argument that taking money from those groups would limit their ability to make a profit in the future because they could damage their reputation?

00:09:01.000 I don't think that's going to work in court.

00:09:04.000 I don't think it's just that.

00:09:05.000 I think that they...

00:09:08.000 killed virality.

00:09:09.000 They made the site boring because the board of directors represents other companies which feels like Twitter is worth more to them dead than alive.

00:09:17.000 And so what you've got is a Twitter that's dead under their reign.

00:09:21.000 Elon's like, this company is worth a lot to me alive.

00:09:25.000 It's worth a lot to me if I can bring back the excitement of viral content that comes from Twitter when it was a free marketplace of ideas.

00:09:35.000 And my only regret about all of this is that I don't get to take that ride with Elon Musk anymore because shareholders were all going to get bought out and he's taking it private.

00:09:47.000 Yes, full disclosure, I have 22 shares through my brokerage app.

00:09:51.000 When Elon Musk announced he bought it, I was like, all right, I'll put it in my account.

00:09:54.000 I had a thousand bucks and I clicked buy and I think I'll end up making like a hundred bucks.

00:09:58.000 Yeah, not bad.

00:09:59.000 Thanks, Elon!

00:10:00.000 I will buy a delicious umami burger.

00:10:02.000 So what you're saying is that this show is funded by Elon Musk.

00:10:05.000 This is propaganda.

00:10:06.000 Completely.

00:10:06.000 You've just acknowledged it.

00:10:07.000 We've lost all credibility.

00:10:08.000 It costs $100 per 10 years, per decade, to run this.

00:10:12.000 That's all it is.

00:10:13.000 And, you know, that $100 funds everything.

00:10:15.000 No, I think Twitter is not upholding its fiduciary duty.

00:10:19.000 They banned political ads.

00:10:20.000 Why?

00:10:21.000 They banned anti-climate change ads.

00:10:24.000 Why?

00:10:25.000 I get it.

00:10:26.000 You might disagree with it.

00:10:27.000 But why would a for-profit company say, we don't want money from legitimate advertisers?

00:10:34.000 Yeah, cause they're playing politics.

00:10:36.000 They were using their ads as a political statement, probably.

00:10:39.000 This, this one just happened too.

00:10:41.000 And I was kind of like, do I need to sue over this?

00:10:43.000 Cause I got to tell you, man, that one, like when they announced that they were banning political ads, I'm like, okay, there's a potential, there's a potential argument here.

00:10:51.000 They could say in order to maintain the health of the platform.

00:10:54.000 And I don't mean their kind of health.

00:10:55.000 I mean like people using the platform.

00:10:57.000 We don't want to be dominated by just big spatterings of political ads.

00:11:02.000 The money would actually cause more damage.

00:11:03.000 The ads would.

00:11:05.000 The climate change thing makes no sense.

00:11:06.000 Conservatives would love it!

00:11:08.000 Yeah.

00:11:09.000 And the left would hate it.

00:11:10.000 No, I hear you on that.

00:11:10.000 I'm just curious if it's an argument that they would make.

00:11:12.000 If they would say something like, if people see advertisements from these groups, we're going to lose our credibility as a website.

00:11:16.000 Right, and I get that, but a judge is going to be like, except 80 plus million people in this country agree with those ads.

00:11:24.000 Or people are swayed by those.

00:11:26.000 It's not an argument.

00:11:27.000 Like, you could imagine them arguing, oh man, you know, millennials don't like drinking soda.

00:11:32.000 You know this?

00:11:32.000 This is actually true.

00:11:33.000 Millennials don't drink soda. 1.00

00:11:34.000 So those Coca-Cola ads are really bad for our credibility.

00:11:37.000 I mean, sure.

00:11:39.000 But I'm not going to blame, you know, downtown Chicago for the ad that gets put up on the billboard off the highway. 0.95

00:11:44.000 That's ridiculous.

00:11:45.000 I feel like this, uh, there's still like a, it's a 12 year old business model.

00:11:49.000 They're still running off of advertising, which is like very 2010.

00:11:51.000 They're, they have an opportunity to spin up a utility token, um, to, to streamline effectivity on the website where you could spend one Twitter token to get a thousand views on Twitter.

00:12:01.000 Like Mines does.

00:12:02.000 That's another revenue model.

00:12:03.000 You could have direct to subscriber, uh, uh, payments, which like your subscribers could pay you directly as a user of Twitter.

00:12:10.000 Twitter could take like 1%.

00:12:12.000 And then that could be a new revenue model for the site.

00:12:15.000 Dogecoin tips.

00:12:17.000 Oh my gosh.

00:12:18.000 Yeah, I know that Musk is involved.

00:12:19.000 Well, I'll ask you guys Would you be willing to pay for Twitter?

00:12:22.000 I do know about this you do.

00:12:24.000 Yeah, so you wouldn't what about you?

00:12:25.000 I'm not but who knows I think Elon Musk is gonna be very imaginative about offering premium features that I would actually want I think a big issue for conservatives or just people who are not, you know speaking the company line on Twitter is like I Why would I bother spending any money when it's obvious that this site does what they can to throttle what I say on here?

00:12:47.000 And I think it's a common perception of Twitter.

00:12:50.000 And you know, I think if nothing else, Elon Musk is going to at least make it transparent and have some consistent policies and say, you know, you're getting throttled because of this algorithm or you got banned because of this policy and be like, okay, that's fair.

00:13:06.000 You know, and maybe even provide ways to remedy that so people can get reinstated.

00:13:10.000 But, you know, it's like we've seen so many people who acted in good faith and had good arguments and were like really good viral accounts that got banned because some passive-aggressive nitwit behind the scenes just decided, I don't like this guy, I'm banning them.

00:13:26.000 Alex Jones, that's obvious.

00:13:29.000 Project Veritas and James O'Keefe, very obvious.

00:13:32.000 Carl Benjamin, aka Sargon of Akkad, also obvious.

00:13:36.000 I miss him every day on Twitter.

00:13:38.000 And then you've got the, of course, Milo Yiannopoulos, Laura Loomer.

00:13:42.000 Who else?

00:13:42.000 The President of the United States!

00:13:45.000 I mean, the Trump one is a special class in and of itself.

00:13:49.000 I get it.

00:13:50.000 I was just trying to name people.

00:13:52.000 Obviously Trump.

00:13:53.000 Libs of Tic- oh not Libs, Babylon Bee.

00:13:55.000 Oh yeah, Babylon Bee also got banned.

00:13:58.000 That supposedly is the reason he decided to buy Twitter.

00:14:00.000 I don't agree, but that was like the straw that broke the camel's back.

00:14:06.000 Carpe donctum.

00:14:08.000 Carpe donctum was, for those that aren't familiar, a memesmith who just made memes and was banned for literally no reason.

00:14:16.000 None.

00:14:17.000 You know, then you have all the people that were posting like interesting vaccine facts, you know, and that just went against the company line.

00:14:24.000 They did their research and everything.

00:14:26.000 And it was like, you're banned because we believe the vaccine is safe for most people.

00:14:31.000 Even the disclaimer was like, Safe for most people.

00:14:34.000 What does that mean?

00:14:35.000 Unsafe for a lot of people.

00:14:36.000 That's a really good way to lawyer the answer.

00:14:38.000 You can't say... It wasn't even about that.

00:14:41.000 I mean, anything that could come from a doctor, if the doctor disagreed with some doctor Twitter chooses.

00:14:47.000 Like, we can't live this way.

00:14:49.000 We can't live in a world where big tech is like, here's the approved doctors and their opinions.

00:14:53.000 Now, I can understand the idea of consensus in that there are a lot of people, and the majority of research looks in this direction, But it's just an insane way to live where we say we will actually ban dissenting opinion.

00:15:08.000 That's the opposite of science.

00:15:09.000 So my point ultimately here, when it comes to Trump, when it comes to Alex Jones, when it comes to Milo Yiannopoulos, when it comes to Laura Loomer, these people did nothing illegal.

00:15:20.000 They were banned because they did things that Twitter did not like.

00:15:24.000 If Elon is to restore free speech, all of these people get reinstated.

00:15:28.000 Well, this is a long conversation.

00:15:30.000 I don't think that having one authoritarian give the company to another authoritarian to make the decision necessarily means free speech.

00:15:35.000 Because if we're relying on Elon's good faith to unban people, and then he still retains the right to ban anybody at any time, if he sells the company or something happens to him, someone else takes over.

00:15:44.000 It's just exactly where it was.

00:15:46.000 So it might look like free speech, but really, you need to get rid of that code.

00:15:51.000 You need that code to be out there.

00:15:52.000 He said he wants to open source the algorithm.

00:15:53.000 Right.

00:15:54.000 And that's the big issue to me.

00:15:55.000 I don't think the unbanning is even going to be number one.

00:15:58.000 It's going to be make the code transparent, hunt down all these bot farms, because I think that's the big thing.

00:16:03.000 You post anything.

00:16:05.000 Yeah, I was talking about the torture of Joe Biggs in federal prison and you get people saying, he deserves to be tortured because he's an insurrectionist.

00:16:13.000 I'm like, who are you?

00:16:14.000 Oh, bot A27Z5, you know, like get off of my timeline. 0.99

00:16:18.000 What are you doing here?

00:16:19.000 You know, I developed a whole algorithm for it.

00:16:22.000 Ronfor37.org slash nah, N-A-A-H. 0.99

00:16:25.000 It's like, how can you tell if something is a bot?

00:16:28.000 New automated, uh, I'm not here to argue with bots.

00:16:33.000 I want to argue with real people.

00:16:35.000 them and they all fit the mold and they're just Twitter is full of them.

00:16:39.000 And, and people, that's, what's making Twitter boring.

00:16:42.000 I'm not here to argue with bots.

00:16:44.000 I want to argue with real people.

00:16:45.000 I want to discuss with real people.

00:16:47.000 That's what Elon wants to do.

00:16:48.000 He wants to make it so that, and I think this was his proposal, five dollars a month for Twitter blue and you get verified.

00:16:54.000 I agree with it.

00:16:55.000 Absolutely.

00:16:56.000 I have mixed feelings because that just feels like a pay to play model.

00:16:59.000 Five bucks?

00:17:01.000 Yeah, if the U.S.

00:17:01.000 government wants to find a thousand people that are going to toe the line and give them all five bucks a month to do it, those people aren't more valid than me who doesn't feel like paying the money.

00:17:10.000 He says everybody human is going to have the chance to get verified.

00:17:13.000 But it's the humans that are getting paid by like a nefarious actor to be there that I wonder like how is that going to make them seem more valued because they spent five bucks?

00:17:22.000 The bots aren't a human.

00:17:23.000 You can have one human manning like a hundred different bot accounts and that's what's happening.

00:17:28.000 My joke is like there's either a DNC or Pentagon office somewhere where somebody is running all this.

00:17:33.000 But then you're talking about having them verify their actual personality with like a social security number or an address, which is extremely dangerous to centralize that data.

00:17:42.000 Or an ID.

00:17:42.000 Or an ID, yeah.

00:17:43.000 If you centralize that data on some database, people from all around the world can seize it and sell it and find out where you live and what your credit card information is.

00:17:51.000 But that argument, you're arguing that, I mean, every single website does that.

00:17:55.000 I've been looking into what's called decentralized identity.

00:17:58.000 There's ways for you to have an identity online that isn't necessarily part of the identities.

00:18:02.000 Sure, sure.

00:18:02.000 But let's keep the context to Twitter, because what you're saying is just some idea of something that might happen.

00:18:06.000 But Elon is doing nothing different from literally any other website.

00:18:09.000 If you trade crypto, you've got to verify your identity to trade crypto.

00:18:14.000 I worry about some of those websites, frankly.

00:18:16.000 That's because there's a financial incentive.

00:18:18.000 Like with Mines, too, you can spend money with, like, Mines Plus so that you're able to send the Mines tokens off the network onto your own personal wallet.

00:18:26.000 So there's a financial value to spending money per month.

00:18:29.000 But if it's just to show everyone that you're real... I don't think you have to go... I don't understand what your argument against Elon Musk is, though.

00:18:34.000 It sounds like you're saying the internet itself has a problem.

00:18:36.000 What Elon is doing is great.

00:18:37.000 I'm saying pay-to-verify is not a solution to verification.

00:18:41.000 That doesn't verify me either.

00:18:43.000 Let's say he goes for the humans-get-verified model.

00:18:46.000 If you're if you're human, you can choose verification.

00:18:48.000 That's originally Twitter.

00:18:50.000 Verification was to prove you weren't a robot.

00:18:53.000 Because they were robot accounts.

00:18:54.000 And they were like, you can verify that.

00:18:55.000 And if someone what makes a parody account or whatever you have, you're in Crossland, it's your image, you verified it.

00:19:01.000 Yeah, it's to keep popular accounts from getting mimicked or, you know, fake accounts.

00:19:06.000 No, no, no.

00:19:07.000 The original purpose was just to prove you were a real person.

00:19:09.000 To prove you were the person behind the account.

00:19:11.000 It had nothing to do with stopping mimicry or imitation or anything like that.

00:19:16.000 Eventually, they said, we can't scale this up, so they gave up.

00:19:20.000 They said, we're not going to verify people anymore.

00:19:22.000 We're closing verification requests.

00:19:24.000 It's only going to be for the celebrities we choose because we don't want to deal with it.

00:19:27.000 This led to a huge backlash where people were like, verification's a badge of authenticity.

00:19:32.000 Twitter, you get special features when you're verified that other people don't get.

00:19:36.000 Run for office, that'll get you verified.

00:19:39.000 Or work for a major corporation, you can make that phone call.

00:19:41.000 So one of the things he wants to do is, you can be verified.

00:19:44.000 Good.

00:19:45.000 And then I'll just be like, verified accounts only, please.

00:19:47.000 I'm not going to, I'm not going to argue with an account with one follower.

00:19:50.000 That's like the 80th account.

00:19:51.000 Some guy's running because he bought 10 phones to do it or a company or some like some, what was that?

00:19:56.000 What was that Democrat company that did sock puppets?

00:19:59.000 I'm not going to, we'll avoid naming them for, for legality reasons, but you've got political firms that will hire one guy to run 50 accounts and pretend to be 50 people to try and sway public opinion, to harass you, get rid of all of that.

00:20:12.000 That'll make the platform healthier.

00:20:14.000 Absolutely.

00:20:14.000 And you can tell who the bots are because they're all coming from the same IP address.

00:20:18.000 This is what I said, like, let's look at what the IP address of some of these bots are.

00:20:22.000 I mean, we don't have to make it fully transparent, but, you know, Elon and the engineers at Twitter can take a look at that.

00:20:30.000 It shouldn't be that hard to notice who the bots are that way.

00:20:32.000 There's two, like, I guess, ethos of Running social media, there's real identity, real ID where they can like track you down to the to the way you poop in the day.

00:20:42.000 And then there's anonymous ID where they have no idea who you are.

00:20:45.000 And they're both valuable.

00:20:46.000 Like if you have a totalitarian regime, and you're on Twitter, they're going to know exactly where you are and what you're saying.

00:20:50.000 They'll find you and get you.

00:20:51.000 But if you have anonymous accounts, you're able to have a revolution against a corrupted establishment.

00:20:58.000 You don't have to be verified.

00:20:59.000 Yeah, I was going to say, isn't it possible to not be verified?

00:21:03.000 If I'm not verified, you're going to set yours so that you can only get responses from people that are.

00:21:07.000 There's going to be people that aren't verified that don't want to play that game or spend that money.

00:21:10.000 And then there's going to be like nobodies that are getting the government agencies paying their $5 a month that are going to seem like valid.

00:21:17.000 That's the thing about politics.

00:21:18.000 You find very quickly, if you want to have an opinion, you got to step up and stand up for yourself.

00:21:24.000 If I'm out in public and I see a bunch of people wearing masks all yelling things, I will hold their opinion to less value than someone standing up with identity revealed.

00:21:35.000 I understand the value of anonymity for that reason, depending on the things people are talking about.

00:21:38.000 I respect people's right to it.

00:21:40.000 But if I know who you are, I know what's behind you, I know what you stand for and why, I have more reason to trust you.

00:21:46.000 I'm a huge advocate of people making videos for that reason, because you cannot fake it when you make a video.

00:21:51.000 They see your face, they see your mouth.

00:21:53.000 Get out of the text in general.

00:21:54.000 I've been talking about this since 2006, so I'm fully on board with getting behind your own words, but there are times and places where that's very dangerous, and I don't think those people should be shut out of the conversation.

00:22:04.000 But also wait a couple years on the video front, man.

00:22:07.000 That stuff's getting easier and easier to fake.

00:22:10.000 I agree, Ian, but what you're saying is it's preference.

00:22:13.000 Now, if somebody wants to distribute an anonymous pamphlet or something, you can still do it.

00:22:19.000 The people who were sharing the Founding Fathers ideas were doing it as themselves, but the ideas behind it were under pen names or pseudonyms.

00:22:26.000 So no one knew who was actually writing it, but people were sharing it.

00:22:29.000 They weren't posting it as, like, anime characters?

00:22:31.000 I mean, look, I interact with plenty of anonymous accounts, you know, but they act in good faith, they make good arguments, you know, and so I listen to them.

00:22:40.000 And that's been the interesting thing about Twitter is there is a sort of natural prestige system where people who make interesting insights, honest statements, you know, that are valuable, their engagement goes up, their followers go up, and they become You value their opinion more than some random who comes in and calls you a poopy.

00:23:00.000 Honest question.

00:23:01.000 Should Titanium McGrath be verified?

00:23:04.000 Oh.

00:23:05.000 If you don't know who that is, it's a fake person.

00:23:07.000 Tatiana?

00:23:07.000 Tatiana McGrath.

00:23:08.000 So you would need a policy on that.

00:23:10.000 Tatiana is the name of the fairy from the, from what story was that from?

00:23:12.000 Midsummer Night's Dream.

00:23:13.000 Midsummer Night's Dream.

00:23:15.000 That's an interesting concept.

00:23:16.000 I mean, this is a, it would be a legit, but it would be a legitimate parody site and you want to like.

00:23:25.000 It's not a site.

00:23:26.000 Huh?

00:23:26.000 It's not a website.

00:23:27.000 So I'd say no.

00:23:28.000 Well, no, but there could be imitators.

00:23:30.000 I don't know.

00:23:30.000 It's just something to think about.

00:23:32.000 I mean, do fictional characters ever get checkmarks on Twitter to verify that it's an official account?

00:23:37.000 I guess Mickey Mouse or something is Mickey Mouse.

00:23:39.000 Interesting.

00:23:39.000 Yeah, let me look into that.

00:23:40.000 Disney trademark properties.

00:23:42.000 Well, while you're looking that up, let's jump to this story.

00:23:43.000 We have this from the post-millennial.

00:23:45.000 Twitter employees go absolutely insane after Elon Musk buys the company.

00:23:50.000 Quote, I feel like I'm going to throw up.

00:23:52.000 I really don't want to work for a company that is owned by Elon Musk.

00:23:54.000 Well, welcome to the real world.

00:23:56.000 But here's the craziest part.

00:23:58.000 Take a look at this from Bloomberg.

00:24:00.000 Twitter locks down product changes after agreeing to Musk bid.

00:24:04.000 The fear is that rogue employees will nuke the platform.

00:24:09.000 So they had to lock everything down.

00:24:11.000 That's how crazy things have gotten.

00:24:13.000 Now, there's one funny tweet that I want to highlight.

00:24:16.000 Sean Davis from—he's at The Federalist, right?

00:24:19.000 CEO and co-founder of The Federalist.

00:24:21.000 He tweets this from Talman Smith, who says, quote, A part of what I do is monitoring toxicity and health in the trends.

00:24:34.000 I don't know if this will impact my job directly.

00:24:37.000 I want to still have a job and I don't know how this impacts that.

00:24:40.000 They added, they're pretty broken.

00:24:42.000 Wish I had a nuanced take on it, but I'm just scared and sad.

00:24:46.000 Well, I will tell you how this buyout will affect your job.

00:24:49.000 It won't, because you won't have one.

00:24:51.000 Haha.

00:24:52.000 No, I think Elon Musk will keep a lot the same.

00:24:56.000 I think the first thing that's going to happen is he'll have to go in and learn how the machine works.

00:25:01.000 Then he'll probably throw up into a couple paper bags, realizing what's going on behind the scenes, both because people post horrifying things and both because the censorship and manipulation is worse than anyone realized.

00:25:12.000 And then he'll try to get a handle on it.

00:25:13.000 Yeah.

00:25:13.000 I mean, this is part of what's so golden about this entire thing.

00:25:16.000 You have all these Twitter employees absolutely losing their minds, just behaving like unhinged maniacs, as if we're supposed to see that and go, Oh man, I'm sorry that they don't have free reign anymore.

00:25:25.000 Yeah, I don't really want scared and sad people running my Twitter accounts.

00:25:28.000 Exactly.

00:25:29.000 Just so you know, scared and sad guy.

00:25:31.000 This was exactly the reaction everybody predicted, right? 0.99

00:25:36.000 I mean, they're like, yeah, we finally got rid of Donald Trump because he's such a poopy head. 0.98

00:25:41.000 I couldn't stand him. 0.93

00:25:42.000 Like, why is that your decision?

00:25:45.000 Shouldn't be.

00:25:46.000 I don't think any one person should have the reins on that kind of power right now.

00:25:49.000 Well, and again, they have played their hand.

00:25:52.000 They're showing that these are not cool, calm, and collected people who can make reasonable decisions in a time of crisis.

00:25:58.000 Look at the way they're acting right now.

00:25:59.000 Elon, someone they don't like, now has control of their company.

00:26:02.000 They're in histrionics.

00:26:03.000 Now, I'm just doing some math.

00:26:04.000 I'm looking, as of December 21, there's more than 7,500 Twitter employees.

00:26:09.000 That's a lot of people.

00:26:10.000 And Elon is pretty, I would call him cutthroat.

00:26:13.000 What would you say you do here?

00:26:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:16.000 They work from home.

00:26:17.000 That was a big part of this Twitter thread, too, that Tim had pulled up earlier, as they were saying most of Twitter employees work from home now.

00:26:22.000 They're wondering if that's going to change.

00:26:24.000 I think that he's going to slash the employees.

00:26:26.000 This is what I said.

00:26:27.000 What would happen if Elon Musk just shut down the VPN, locked out all the employees except for the Knox at the data center?

00:26:34.000 Would Twitter become a better website just from that?

00:26:39.000 What would that look like, exactly?

00:26:40.000 You wouldn't have these toxicity moderators, for one.

00:26:43.000 Fire them all.

00:26:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:26:46.000 Toxicity? 0.99

00:26:48.000 Fire them. 0.94

00:26:49.000 You know, Elon Musk is in for a rude awakening.

00:26:52.000 I gotta be honest.

00:26:53.000 I think he's a smart guy.

00:26:54.000 I think he's planned strategically.

00:26:56.000 I think he cornered Twitter.

00:26:58.000 The shareholders may still try and push back, but I really don't see what their votes are gonna be.

00:27:02.000 I mean, you're getting free money.

00:27:05.000 But, I think Elon understands this, especially having worked with mines.

00:27:09.000 When Elon says he wants free speech, I don't think he understands truly what that will mean to open the floodgates.

00:27:23.000 And I think even Elon Musk must have a line.

00:27:27.000 So I'll pose this.

00:27:30.000 It is free speech to show images of dead babies because you want people to know about the horrors of what's going on with abortion, say, right, Seamus?

00:27:38.000 Yeah.

00:27:39.000 And so how will people know they don't want it unless they can see what's actually happening?

00:27:44.000 Will advertisers want to be on a platform where there are photos of dead babies?

00:27:50.000 It's an interesting question. 0.99

00:27:51.000 To be fair, I think what Eon Muskland means- I saw Lizzo's ass in a thong for like Like how many times before I finally realized I did not want to see that? 0.98

00:28:02.000 Yeah, no, it's an interesting question. 0.75

00:28:04.000 I think this is a really complicated problem that not a lot of people consider, which is that even with these conservative alternatives that they're trying to launch, if any of them ever happen to catch on, or even with this, what Musk is trying to do, implementing a more neutral model with respect to speech, at some point, you're right, it could affect profitability.

00:28:21.000 And then what happens then?

00:28:23.000 Yeah, I think the ad revenue model is dying.

00:28:25.000 It's useless. 0.65

00:28:26.000 It's getting to the point where it's useless.

00:28:28.000 But that's why Elon says he wants to drive up memberships.

00:28:32.000 Well, I just want to say, I like what Elon Musk is saying about a lot of this.

00:28:39.000 But here's what I'm curious about.

00:28:41.000 Without looking at this through any ideological framework, Tim, you were sort of mentioning earlier that restricting certain advertisers from being able to pay Twitter to have their ads placed there could be failing to fulfill their fiduciary responsibility.

00:28:54.000 Do you think there's an argument to be made that the shareholders allowing unfettered free speech could also be failing to uphold their fiduciary responsibility because it could make the company less profitable?

00:29:04.000 I would argue... Well, I actually addressed that.

00:29:07.000 I said, when it comes to politics, the board might actually argue that taking on certain advertisers would hurt us, which is why they justify it.

00:29:14.000 But climate change, there's no justification for that.

00:29:17.000 No, no, I agree with you.

00:29:18.000 I guess my point is...

00:29:21.000 Do you think that's going to pose a threat to Elon being able to make this a free speech platform?

00:29:26.000 Are they going to say, we are failing to fulfill our fiduciary responsibility?

00:29:26.000 No.

00:29:28.000 Elon won't have shareholders.

00:29:29.000 Yeah, he's taking a private.

00:29:30.000 Oh, that's right, he's taking a private.

00:29:32.000 I completely agree.

00:29:32.000 Yeah, yeah, beautiful.

00:29:33.000 Owns it outright.

00:29:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:35.000 Which means he could go on.

00:29:36.000 And he can read your DMs.

00:29:38.000 Elon can slide into anyone.

00:29:40.000 You gotta understand what he's buying right now.

00:29:43.000 He's buying the ability to DM Britney Spears.

00:29:47.000 He's buying the ability to read his ex's messages, bro.

00:29:53.000 Who's his age?

00:29:54.000 Eminem.

00:29:55.000 Elon Musk now has the power to open up DMs to anyone he wants.

00:29:59.000 He owns it.

00:30:00.000 It's his.

00:30:01.000 Well, let me ask you a question.

00:30:02.000 Would you rather own the Washington Post or Twitter?

00:30:06.000 Not even a question.

00:30:07.000 You know the answer to that one, man.

00:30:08.000 So who's ahead in the billionaire game?

00:30:10.000 Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk?

00:30:12.000 Oh, Bezos is, and we know this because he's trying to throw shade at Musk on Twitter.

00:30:16.000 Well, you mean Musk is.

00:30:17.000 But Bezos bought the Washington Post for like $200 million.

00:30:21.000 Right.

00:30:22.000 Yeah, Elon put up $44 billion.

00:30:24.000 It was funny.

00:30:25.000 With a B. I'm sorry, Bezos said something along the lines of, does China now have a stake in the public square in response to Elon Musk purchasing Twitter?

00:30:36.000 I want to go back to the free speech point I was making before.

00:30:39.000 Elon Musk has a line.

00:30:41.000 And his, and AWS, which Twitter is on, right?

00:30:43.000 It's on AWS?

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:45.000 Oh, actually, I don't know if Twitter is.

00:30:46.000 Twitter is, Twitter's, they might have their own infrastructure, I suppose.

00:30:49.000 I think they have their own infrastructure.

00:30:51.000 I would not trust AWS.

00:30:53.000 Well, yeah, but Twitter would.

00:30:54.000 I mean, their board would.

00:30:56.000 2020, Twitter chooses AWS.

00:30:57.000 There you go, exactly.

00:30:58.000 So what happens when Elon Musk says, I want unfettered free speech, which results in,

00:31:04.000 let's just be real.

00:31:05.000 Well, that's what happened to Parler.

00:31:06.000 You're going to get a lot of people who are even on the left who are going to masquerade

00:31:09.000 as the right saying racial slurs.

00:31:12.000 So that Elon Musk's, the chain link in the infrastructure of Twitter revolts against

00:31:19.000 him.

00:31:20.000 So you're going to have AWS saying, we won't host this because there's people posting untoward

00:31:24.000 content.

00:31:25.000 You're going to have the app stores saying until you clean this up, Elon Musk can take

00:31:29.000 Twitter.

00:31:30.000 But everything around him, you know, the entirety of Silicon Valley can surround him and shut him down.

00:31:36.000 So how much could Elon Musk tolerate?

00:31:38.000 How much can Twitter tolerate?

00:31:39.000 And then how much can they withstand a barrage from Silicon Valley?

00:31:44.000 He may be the world's richest man, but the combined wealth and power of the entirety of Silicon Valley and venture capital surrounding it, I don't think he can beat that.

00:31:53.000 No.

00:31:54.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:31:55.000 Expanding free speech and unbanning people is probably going to be very late in the game.

00:32:00.000 Right now, he just wants to develop a consistent set of policies that are transparent.

00:32:06.000 For them to have a problem with that would be revealing more about themselves and about Elon.

00:32:11.000 And I'll give you another idea.

00:32:13.000 Does Elon taking over Twitter embolden a Mark Zuckerberg to allow Facebook to become a bit more free and transparent?

00:32:22.000 Because he's getting the same pressures that Elon Musk is and it's killing Facebook.

00:32:26.000 What did their stock drop like one-third in one night?

00:32:29.000 They can use this as an excuse and say, in order for us to compete now, we've got a private company worth $50 billion, and it's one of the biggest social media platforms in the world.

00:32:41.000 Their allowing of free speech is making people want to leave our platform.

00:32:45.000 Sorry, shareholders.

00:32:46.000 It is our fiduciary duty.

00:32:47.000 We must start unbanning.

00:32:49.000 I don't know if they'll do it because I think they're ideologically driven, not profit driven, but that's a possibility.

00:32:54.000 But I think that's a difference we have.

00:32:56.000 I don't think it's an issue of shareholders.

00:32:58.000 It's an issue of political pressure.

00:33:00.000 I mean, we were talking about how California politicians were telling Facebook and Twitter, ban these guys, censor those guys. 0.75

00:33:08.000 Barack Obama is coming on saying that there's too much trash on the internet.

00:33:12.000 It needs to be banned.

00:33:13.000 You have political figures in this country who are openly advocating against the First Amendment and using their political muscle to make these private companies do their bidding.

00:33:22.000 It's the thing about free speech.

00:33:24.000 When we talk about free speech, we got to define it firstly.

00:33:26.000 It's the American, the United States of America's version of it is enshrined in the Constitution, that kind of free speech, where you can't say certain things in that kind of free speech.

00:33:34.000 So that isn't translating to the internet, doesn't translate to the internet.

00:33:38.000 You can't They're all authoritarian networks that are owned by someone that can ban anything at any time.

00:33:42.000 Yeah, there's no free speech.

00:33:43.000 Yeah, so saying bring free speech to Twitter doesn't... it's a non sequitur.

00:33:48.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:33:49.000 Even Gab doesn't have absolute free speech.

00:33:51.000 No, and nor should it.

00:33:52.000 Spam is a new phenomenon.

00:33:55.000 And doxxing, because we all agree, okay, doxxing crosses the line.

00:33:59.000 And even Andrew Torba of Gab said that.

00:34:01.000 Like you said, showing pictures of, like, gruesome stuff, that's free speech, but you don't, you know, there's times and places where... No, that should be allowed.

00:34:07.000 Well, it's up to the authoritarian owner of the company whether or not it should be allowed.

00:34:10.000 I understand that.

00:34:12.000 So I would say, people typically say free speech is the expression of political thoughts, ideas, etc.

00:34:18.000 And so we try to understand in that framework, spam doesn't fit that.

00:34:23.000 If someone is trying to shut down the conversation by screaming, some would argue that's not free speech, that's just screaming.

00:34:29.000 In fact, that's shutting people down.

00:34:31.000 There's also, free speech is also property rights.

00:34:33.000 So if someone comes into your business and they start telling you something you don't want to hear, you can kick them out of the building and the government can't say, no, you have to let them sit there.

00:34:39.000 Free speech.

00:34:40.000 You have to bake their cake for them.

00:34:41.000 That's not true, Ian.

00:34:42.000 If I come into your establishment, you can kick me out for any reason.

00:34:45.000 Not if you say, if you come into the restaurant and start talking about your protected status.

00:34:52.000 You can ask me to leave your premises at any moment for any reason.

00:34:55.000 That's property rights.

00:34:56.000 That's part of your property rights.

00:34:57.000 That's not true.

00:34:59.000 Give me an example where you can't kick me off your land.

00:35:01.000 The 1964 Civil Rights Act protects special classes in public accommodation.

00:35:05.000 I'm talking about private accommodation.

00:35:07.000 This is all private.

00:35:08.000 Twitter's a private company.

00:35:09.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:35:11.000 You misunderstand.

00:35:12.000 Public accommodation means like a McDonald's.

00:35:14.000 It's privately owned, but it's open to the public.

00:35:17.000 If I walk in and scream something like, my dog bites strangers, and they say, please, sir, be quiet, and you won't, they can kick you out.

00:35:26.000 If you go in and start screaming something about a protected class, now they're in a troubled situation.

00:35:32.000 If they kick you out, they could argue he was screaming.

00:35:34.000 Of course, the individual will say, I went in there and started saying, I am this protected class, so they kicked me out.

00:35:40.000 That's where he gets money.

00:35:41.000 Okay, if you're saying McDonald's is a public accommodation, then I'm open to that argument.

00:35:45.000 McDonald's is a public accommodation.

00:35:47.000 Public accommodations are like services and buildings that are open to the public.

00:35:51.000 So, like, TimKiss is a business.

00:35:54.000 It is not a public accommodation.

00:35:54.000 It's private property.

00:35:56.000 People can't come here.

00:35:57.000 Wendy's is, because they want you to come into their building.

00:36:01.000 But that means they have to, under, I believe it's the 1964 Civil Rights Act, they cannot deny. 0.86

00:36:06.000 So they can put up signs all day and night saying, we reserve the right to refuse service to anybody.

00:36:12.000 You get into muddy territory, because of course you can kick someone out for screaming.

00:36:16.000 But if they're screaming things about a protected class, their argument in court will now go up against yours.

00:36:21.000 Are you saying that if a homeless person goes into a Wendy's and just goes to sleep in one of the booths that they can't kick the person out?

00:36:26.000 No, you can kick the person out, but if you kick a person out just because they're a protected class and they can prove that in court, then they got a case against you.

00:36:35.000 You kick them out for loitering.

00:36:37.000 Yes, right. 0.98

00:36:38.000 So Ian, if a black person walked into a Wendy's, the manager can't say, you're loitering, get out. 0.57

00:36:45.000 Technically they can, but we all see what happens.

00:36:47.000 They lose in court.

00:36:48.000 I know, but my point is technically they can.

00:36:49.000 And then the media goes off and says they're racist.

00:36:52.000 Yeah, there might be a cultural backlash, but technically they can.

00:36:54.000 No, no, no, Ian.

00:36:55.000 It is not.

00:36:56.000 Alright, there's no point in arguing about this anymore.

00:36:59.000 My point is Twitter can ban anyone at any time for any reason.

00:37:01.000 They don't need a reason.

00:37:02.000 That's mostly because of Section 230.

00:37:04.000 They actually have a special provision that allows them to bypass the public accommodation provision of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

00:37:10.000 This was always the craziest thing to me.

00:37:12.000 That you can't deny someone access to a public accommodation on the basis of certain specialized classes or identities or whatever.

00:37:21.000 But Twitter gets to because of Section 230.

00:37:23.000 Meaning, quite literally, someone can post that they believe in gay marriage and Twitter can say, no you don't, ban.

00:37:29.000 And I'm like, but wait a minute.

00:37:31.000 It's because, I forgot, it was explained to me by a lawyer, it may have been Will Chamberlain, I'm not sure, but someone explained that the expression of opinion is not, you know, the same thing as denying someone service because of who they are.

00:37:47.000 So like, if you say, I will not provide you service, you have to leave because of this thing about you.

00:37:52.000 And I just said, that's ridiculous because they could just argue that's why they got banned.

00:37:56.000 And basically the broad protections of Section 230 make it impossible to win on that front.

00:38:00.000 Now, if you want to talk about, is this company a public accommodation?

00:38:02.000 I don't know.

00:38:03.000 I feel like it's very fascist for a government to tell a private company what they have to do with their company.

00:38:08.000 You could argue that there's monopolies and that that's the government's job is to break up monopolies.

00:38:12.000 Well, that's the big issue, right?

00:38:14.000 And they say, like, well, what this person said is very offensive.

00:38:17.000 But then, like I said, in the past two years, you've had people make very reasoned, very cogent arguments that are not at all offensive, but because they go against, like, the financial interests of BlackRock, You know, they get banned.

00:38:29.000 I mean, that is a much.

00:38:31.000 There is no philosophical case against that, right?

00:38:35.000 It's purely a political case there.

00:38:38.000 Um, well, I don't know if it, you know, I mean, with the, with the, with the lockdowns, I mean, you saw it more than anything.

00:38:44.000 People didn't want children getting masks.

00:38:46.000 People were getting tired of the lockdowns.

00:38:48.000 The lockdowns weren't doing anything, but they were getting banned for saying it.

00:38:52.000 You know, I mean, just look at the trucker convoy in Canada.

00:38:56.000 So my point earlier on, though, because I think people, at least some people, misunderstand.

00:39:01.000 Free speech on Twitter means people will be saying, will be responding to every post with a racial slur.

00:39:07.000 It means there will be people who will do that.

00:39:10.000 You have the option to block them.

00:39:11.000 That's reality.

00:39:12.000 If you want to go out into the town square, you're going to hear people screaming nasty things.

00:39:16.000 They're going to be holding up really awful signs.

00:39:19.000 And that's reality.

00:39:20.000 You can't hide from it.

00:39:21.000 Twitter seems to think that they wanted to craft this utopian world where they would decide what things were toxic and what things weren't.

00:39:29.000 We'll see if Elon Musk will tolerate that because either he says free speech or he decides from his own personal morals, some things are okay and some things aren't.

00:39:40.000 I'm looking up this federal accommodations, public accommodations things.

00:39:43.000 You can't discriminate on basis of race, color, religion, or national origin, or disabilities.

00:39:49.000 Right.

00:39:49.000 But a private company could still toss you out if they just don't like the way you smell, right?

00:39:53.000 Yes.

00:39:54.000 Okay.

00:39:55.000 It happens to me every day.

00:39:56.000 The issue arises when you have a person who is a protected class, and they- And you don't like the way they smell? 0.96

00:40:02.000 Then they're gonna be like, oh, it was my race.

00:40:04.000 And you'll be like, no, it was because you were stinking up the establishment.

00:40:06.000 And then they'll say, we'll see you in court, and you'll lose.

00:40:08.000 And guess what?

00:40:08.000 You will.

00:40:09.000 Maybe.

00:40:11.000 That's an issue in L.A.

00:40:13.000 where some tweaker will come into establishment and start harassing people and even getting into fights.

00:40:19.000 And at that point, you've got to friggin' wrestle them out of the establishment.

00:40:24.000 I feel like all this argument about free speech on the Internet is a facade, a fallacy.

00:40:28.000 There is none.

00:40:29.000 You cannot have free speech in a private company.

00:40:31.000 Good luck trying to.

00:40:32.000 You've got to fix the way that that is built.

00:40:34.000 I've told you how to do it in the past.

00:40:36.000 You free the software code, you get it off your back.

00:40:38.000 Let other people spin up their own Twitters with their own terms of service so you can pick the one that works the best.

00:40:42.000 You're contradicting yourself.

00:40:43.000 And they all interoperate.

00:40:44.000 I don't think so.

00:40:45.000 You are.

00:40:46.000 You said there can't be free speech on the internet?

00:40:48.000 Well, there can be.

00:40:48.000 You just explained how to do it.

00:40:51.000 You can give different networks the ability to choose to have free speech on them if they want, but you can't make someone give you free speech.

00:40:59.000 What do you mean?

00:41:00.000 Like if you walk into a place where you're not wanted and you say what you think is your right to say, they can stop you.

00:41:05.000 Not everywhere.

00:41:06.000 They can cancel you off on the internet.

00:41:07.000 They can.

00:41:08.000 So we talked about this with Occupy Wall Street.

00:41:11.000 It's what's called a privately owned public space.

00:41:14.000 And the courts ruled that even though it's privately owned, because it's a park open to the public, this is Zuccotti, they had to allow protest.

00:41:22.000 So I argued Twitter should be the same way, a privately owned public space.

00:41:26.000 Sure, you can privately own it.

00:41:28.000 You can put up whatever billboards you want, but if it is a speech business open to the public, you should not be able to bar people for protests.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, Ian, I get what you're saying.

00:41:37.000 It's a complicated question, but there was actually a Supreme Court decision, Marsh v. Alabama, in the 1940s, and they basically determined that In a company town, they were not able to prohibit a woman from passing out religious literature because it was protected by the First Amendment, even though it was their private property.

00:41:54.000 I think it has something to do with taking up a certain amount of the public square that you are now required to uphold the law of the land.

00:42:03.000 And in the United States, it is the First Amendment.

00:42:05.000 So she came into my house and started passing out religious stuff. 0.69

00:42:08.000 I can't say, you can't do that, but I can say, get out of my house.

00:42:11.000 Yeah, so, well, my understanding, and again, I'm not a legal expert, I'm not an expert on this case by any means, I've heard a bit about it, but my understanding is basically that if you own a large enough or you occupy a large enough percentage of a public square as a private business, there are certain First Amendment responsibilities that you have.

00:42:28.000 We ignore those when I was doing fundraising.

00:42:30.000 state of California where malls are technically supposed to allow people to

00:42:34.000 leaflet and do political activity, but then they sort of go back and say, no,

00:42:39.000 we have the right to regulate in the interest of keeping the mood of our mall.

00:42:43.000 So like for example, you go to some malls are like, okay, you can go set up a table over there, but you have to like,

00:42:49.000 you know, file an application and give a deposit and all that.

00:42:54.000 We ignore those. When I, when I was doing fundraising, they would tell you,

00:42:57.000 and this happened all the time, go to a shopping center.

00:43:00.000 You're allowed to work for causes and fundraise and protest.

00:43:04.000 They will tell you you can't.

00:43:06.000 They will tell you they're calling the police.

00:43:08.000 They can't do anything.

00:43:09.000 And if the police show up, the police will defend you.

00:43:11.000 And sure enough, every time the police came up, apologized to me and just said, ignore them.

00:43:16.000 You're allowed to, like, you're outside.

00:43:18.000 You're in a parking lot outside waving to people, as long as you're not being, you're not obstructing anybody, as long as you're not screaming at anybody, you're just waving and handing out flyers and asking people to talk, totally fine.

00:43:29.000 Protected under the First Amendment.

00:43:31.000 I think part of why I'm concerned with what you were saying about treating Twitter as part of the commons and just letting it fly is how will you moderate that?

00:43:40.000 Who's in charge then of moderating it?

00:43:42.000 Like if it's a private company and you're like, you can't moderate it the way you want.

00:43:46.000 Now figure out how to moderate it.

00:43:48.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:43:50.000 How do we moderate the public?

00:43:53.000 We have police.

00:43:54.000 Okay.

00:43:55.000 We have police.

00:43:56.000 Problem solved, right?

00:43:57.000 Well, we have laws and things of the Constitution that guides the actions of the police.

00:44:01.000 If someone posts something illegal, which there are many things illegal under the law, then There you go.

00:44:07.000 The police get called, intervene, arrest the person.

00:44:10.000 And then if Elon's Twitter decides we're going to immediately remove anything made aware of that's illegal will be removed instantly.

00:44:20.000 The police will be informed.

00:44:21.000 But then trespassing is illegal.

00:44:23.000 So if you're on Twitter, if you're in their space.

00:44:27.000 It's just a different environment.

00:44:31.000 I just want to read one sentence from this decision that I pulled up here.

00:44:34.000 Justice Hugo L. Black noted that, and quote here, the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.

00:44:49.000 So, making a private company Act as if it's the United States government is challenging.

00:44:58.000 I agree that these things are in the commons.

00:45:00.000 I do believe they are in the commons.

00:45:01.000 Far, far right Ian Crosland, free market.

00:45:04.000 I don't think that forcing Twitter to change its terms makes any sense.

00:45:08.000 It's super dangerous precedent.

00:45:09.000 If the government starts deciding what companies have to, how they have to behave, we're effed.

00:45:14.000 But we're not.

00:45:14.000 Right now it's just a private guy has bought it and he's going to change it the way he sees fit.

00:45:19.000 Yeah, okay, maybe.

00:45:20.000 Let's go to this story right here.

00:45:20.000 Oh boy.

00:45:20.000 No.

00:45:21.000 We got this from TimCast.com.

00:45:22.000 Donald Trump says he will not return to Twitter after Elon Musk purchased the platform.

00:45:28.000 He'll make improvements to it.

00:45:30.000 But I am going to be staying on Truth, said Trump.

00:45:32.000 Oh boy.

00:45:33.000 I don't think Trump is actually on Truth.

00:45:34.000 He's not posted anything, has he?

00:45:36.000 No.

00:45:37.000 I don't know.

00:45:38.000 I'm not on it.

00:45:39.000 And I don't think anyone else is either.

00:45:40.000 I mean, I have an account there I don't use.

00:45:42.000 Whatever.

00:45:43.000 I don't have one.

00:45:43.000 Quote, Trump told Fox News, I am not going on Twitter.

00:45:47.000 I am going to stay on Truth.

00:45:48.000 I hope Elon buys Twitter because he'll make improvements to it, and he's a good man, but I am going to be staying on Truth.

00:45:54.000 We're taking in millions of people, and what we're finding is that the response on Truth is much better than being on Twitter.

00:46:00.000 That's just fundamentally not true, and anyone of influence knows it.

00:46:05.000 All of these conservatives are pointing out that the left won't leave the platform to Twitter is the place you gotta be because of platform monopoly.

00:46:11.000 Are you saying that the liar lied?

00:46:15.000 What I was going to say here is that I think it's very noble and I would argue in many ways a good thing when conservatives try to start their own platforms in this sphere, but the problem is Twitter's utility is the fact that basically everybody's on it and your perspective can be heard by people who didn't just come to hear a right-wing perspective, so you actually have the possibility of changing people's minds about things.

00:46:40.000 And so if Elon Musk is able to make Twitter, or I should say Eon Muskland is able to make, Mush, is able to make Twitter a more fair and open platform for different political views, that would be much better for us as a movement than to all segregate ourselves to this conservative website that other people aren't seeing.

00:46:59.000 I'd like to pull up this tweet from Robert Reich.

00:47:01.000 I think it's Reich. 0.92

00:47:02.000 Is it Reich?

00:47:03.000 I'm pretty sure, yeah.

00:47:04.000 I'd like to pull up this tweet, this tweet from him, in which he basically copies a tweet

00:47:08.000 from me from seven years ago or whatever.

00:47:11.000 He says, Musk and his apologists say if consumers don't like what he does with Twitter, they

00:47:15.000 can go elsewhere.

00:47:16.000 But I'm not sure if that's true.

00:47:17.000 I'm not sure if that's true.

00:47:18.000 I'm not sure if that's true.

00:47:20.000 But where else would consumers go to post short messages that can reach millions of people other than Twitter?

00:47:24.000 The free market increasingly reflects the demands of big money.

00:47:27.000 It's called platform monopoly.

00:47:29.000 It's bad for our democracy as well as our economy.

00:47:32.000 Well, you know what, Robert?

00:47:33.000 Too effing bad!

00:47:35.000 You've lost any good faith response from me in this effort because you and your ilk have spent the entirety of the past six years burning everything to the ground, spitting in the face of people who had political disagreements with you, and now that you're poised to lose, you think you can come back and say, oh, this platform monopoly is a big problem.

00:47:54.000 Well, that's what I was saying, what, seven years ago.

00:47:57.000 And now that you've come crawling back, I say this.

00:48:00.000 You don't get to wage war, and then once you start losing or fear losing, come and beg for a ceasefire.

00:48:07.000 I'm not playing that.

00:48:08.000 Elon Musk is going to be doing exactly what, well, we're hoping that Elon Musk will do what we've been hoping someone would do with Twitter, and that is bring free speech.

00:48:18.000 So you don't have to leave, Robert. 0.70

00:48:20.000 You get to stay and say all of your dumb things to everybody and we are not calling for you to be banned. 0.95

00:48:26.000 We just want the rules to be transparent. 0.98

00:48:28.000 We want people who are suspended for BS fake reasons like carpe donctum to be reinstated and you can go cry about platform monopolies somewhere else because we've all been taking issue with that for some time.

00:48:42.000 Your complaints are duly noted and duly ignored.

00:48:45.000 Does that article show his tweet from like three years ago where he said it's a private company and could do it at once?

00:48:52.000 Yeah, he said... Literally, how it started, where it's going... His tweet that everyone's highlighting, and they're pointing it out as hypocritical, he said that the people complaining about the First Amendment on Twitter failed to realize it's a private company and they can do what they want.

00:49:06.000 He's not wrong. 0.53

00:49:07.000 The First Amendment is pertaining to government restriction.

00:49:10.000 However, most people aren't saying the First Amendment.

00:49:14.000 If he wants to highlight truly ignorant people who are incorrectly saying the First Amendment, by all means, he can go and do that.

00:49:19.000 Most people who believe in free speech are talking about the principle of free speech, one in which the First Amendment protects but exists outside of the Constitution.

00:49:28.000 The principle of free speech is that we respect that other people will say things we don't like in the public discourse.

00:49:36.000 Twitter does not respect free speech.

00:49:38.000 Facebook, YouTube, none of these platforms do.

00:49:41.000 Twitter used to.

00:49:42.000 Web 1.0 was truly a glorious time.

00:49:46.000 Oh yeah.

00:49:46.000 Remember that?

00:49:47.000 Web 1.0.

00:49:47.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:49:48.000 The lack of self-awareness is astounding.

00:49:51.000 I mean, look, I never exactly pictured him as the kind of person who was really in touch with what people who disagreed with him were saying or thinking, but you have to have literally not heard a single thing a conservative has said for the past five years to make this point and think you're saying anything.

00:50:04.000 Be fair, Seamus.

00:50:05.000 If these people are only watching CNN, of course that's the case.

00:50:05.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 No, exactly.

00:50:09.000 Exactly.

00:50:09.000 But to have a political platform that large when you have no idea what the other side is saying is...

00:50:14.000 That's what drives me.

00:50:14.000 That's the free speech, the term free speech.

00:50:16.000 It's like free speech.

00:50:17.000 It's like a buzzword.

00:50:18.000 It's free code.

00:50:19.000 Big networks need free code, not free speech.

00:50:22.000 Who's deciding?

00:50:22.000 Free speech.

00:50:23.000 The owner of the network?

00:50:24.000 You can't tell them what to do.

00:50:26.000 All I'm saying is Robert Reich should be more like me and know enough about his opponent's position to make fun of them in short form cartoons.

00:50:32.000 But he's not there.

00:50:32.000 What is it about our intellectual class where they get so much stuff so desperately wrong?

00:50:37.000 And this is what's so depressing.

00:50:37.000 Exactly.

00:50:39.000 It's not as if we have an intellectual class which is mediocre. 1.00

00:50:42.000 We have an intellectual class which is stupid. 1.00

00:50:44.000 They're dumb. 1.00

00:50:46.000 They're really unintelligent. 1.00

00:50:48.000 Do you think they're affluent?

00:50:50.000 Is it affluenza?

00:50:52.000 I think it's pride.

00:50:53.000 I think pride blinds people.

00:50:54.000 I think they have to push a certain company line and it doesn't matter how they lie or get stuff wrong to achieve it.

00:51:02.000 There's just a company line you've got to put out and you've got to stick with it.

00:51:06.000 And if you stray from that company line, you no longer have a job.

00:51:11.000 Well, the question is, does he believe this?

00:51:14.000 Or is he just, as you're saying, trying to toe the company line?

00:51:17.000 Does he think it would be an effective strategy? 0.98

00:51:18.000 Because my point is, whether he believes it or not, to think that it's an effective strategy to out yourself as a hypocrite so blatantly, to me is bizarre. 0.96

00:51:27.000 Come on, they do it every day. 0.93

00:51:28.000 Yeah, it's something you learn about frauds. 1.00

00:51:31.000 They're stupid and they're liars. 1.00

00:51:33.000 There's no division there. 1.00

00:51:35.000 Rational people have that division.

00:51:37.000 There are people right now that are complaining because Al Franken basically was forced to resign in disgrace over that photo where he was, you know, grabbing that woman's chest.

00:51:46.000 And they're complaining about this Madison Cawthorn photo where he's got women's lingerie on at a drinking on a cruise at a party.

00:51:52.000 And I can't remember who tweeted it, but they were like, Al Franken was forced to resign over something much less salacious than this.

00:51:58.000 And it's like, no, he wasn't.

00:51:59.000 He assaulted a woman. 0.95

00:52:01.000 Like Madison Cawthorn's in a chair drinking at a party and doing silly things. 1.00

00:52:05.000 Call him, say it's inappropriate. 0.77

00:52:07.000 It's a party.

00:52:07.000 Fine.

00:52:07.000 Whatever.

00:52:08.000 But he didn't grab and assault someone.

00:52:09.000 And he's actually representing most Americans. 0.96

00:52:12.000 Well, so my point is that they're creating this false hypocrisy where they try and pull things up like, aha, this is hypocritical.

00:52:23.000 And it's like, dude, Robert Reich tweeting this, which we all tweeted seven or eight years ago.

00:52:29.000 He's absolutely astounding.

00:52:31.000 He just one day came to realize truly these people are vapid and devoid of any curiosity.

00:52:38.000 They don't care what other people think.

00:52:39.000 They make things up.

00:52:40.000 They regurgitate them.

00:52:41.000 And that's why we bought a billboard in Times Square with special thanks to Daily Wire for helping make it happen.

00:52:46.000 That says Taylor Lorenz doxed libs of TikTok because you don't get to go on TV and just lie without getting some pushback. 1.00

00:52:51.000 So that's us pushing back, even if it's a small gesture.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, I like your war analogy, because it's kind of like being the aggressor and attacking someone else, and as soon as they fight back, you're like, all we are saying is give peace a chance.

00:53:03.000 Like, dude, you guys started this.

00:53:04.000 This is your fault.

00:53:05.000 It's not when you fight back, it's when they realize they might lose.

00:53:07.000 Yeah.

00:53:08.000 They're like, uh-oh, wait.

00:53:10.000 You mean that guy I picked a fight with actually is an MMA fighter?

00:53:13.000 Actually, did you guys see the Joe Rogan episode with that MMA guy?

00:53:16.000 He said that he got into politics because he saw Antifa beating up some dude.

00:53:20.000 Wow.

00:53:20.000 And he tried to pull him off, and they start fighting him.

00:53:23.000 And he beat the crap out of him?

00:53:25.000 And then they immediately backed off, realizing he had the power? 0.99

00:53:28.000 Sounds like a right-wing terrorist to me, Tim.

00:53:30.000 The left right now is fascistic.

00:53:33.000 They believe there is no truth but power.

00:53:36.000 Antifa uses violence against people because they believe in using violence to gain power.

00:53:41.000 When that MMA guy tried saving that dude and defended himself, and they realized he had more power physically than they did, they retreated.

00:53:49.000 No surprise there.

00:53:50.000 The convictions are only as weak and flabby as their little arms.

00:53:53.000 I'm surprised the local district attorney didn't land the MMA fighter in prison.

00:53:57.000 Seriously.

00:53:58.000 No, so the left, they're basically a metronome, and they very quickly go back and forth between, I'm very tough, be scared of me, and oh, I'm a poor, sweet, innocent little victim, someone come protect me.

00:54:08.000 Mm-hmm.

00:54:09.000 Sounds like bipolar, someone that's bipolar.

00:54:12.000 Sounds like someone who's lying to gain power.

00:54:13.000 It sounds like, yeah, somebody, whatever gets them more power, they do it.

00:54:17.000 This Reich guy, Robert Reich, I remember him being kind of vocal about Hillary's emails when that Podesta emails dropped, you know, 13,000 emails that they ended up trying to hide from the public, 30,000.

00:54:27.000 And he was a big proponent of Bernie Sanders at the time and was really involved with like the progressive movement as it seemed like it might actually function, kind of what Trump picked up the reins of.

00:54:37.000 And then he went full TDS Trump derangement syndrome and this hate of Donald Trump, which is like, it was just so party politics, like cult thought.

00:54:46.000 So I thought Reich was really smart until that.

00:54:49.000 Now I'm like, I don't know.

00:54:50.000 He's not wrong that social media monopoly is dangerous.

00:54:53.000 Reich wants big government and big business, whereas Trump felt like, look, just give people a chance at a decent wage and you don't need either.

00:55:03.000 And that's where Rice, basically if you don't have big government and big business, Rice is out of a job. 0.99

00:55:09.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:55:11.000 I think what you'll see often is, I'd be interested to see what happens when the right, if the right ever gets institutional power, will they become as hypocritical or will they just defend their side because now they have the power and the ability to wield it?

00:55:25.000 I kind of lean towards no, because at least over the past eight or so years, the Republicans have just sat on their hands and said, slow down there, Democrats, and done nothing.

00:55:34.000 That's definitely true.

00:55:35.000 I would say if we saw genuine conservatives, real pro-family leaders take power, there would be corruption because that's just always going to exist in any human institution.

00:55:44.000 But I do believe it would be much more structured and effective and honest than anything we're seeing from a left-wing authority structure because, as I've said before, leftism is just a synonym for social decay and they don't have any real principles.

00:55:57.000 So people on the right have genuine values that they try to hold to and that they're accountable to.

00:56:02.000 The left doesn't.

00:56:03.000 All they have is the pursuit of power.

00:56:04.000 I think it's a little broad to say leftism just means social decay.

00:56:07.000 I think there's a generational divide.

00:56:07.000 I disagree.

00:56:10.000 I think modern leftism... There's a reason Boomer is an insult.

00:56:13.000 This goes all the way back to the Boomer 60s and Woodstock and the Civil Rights Movement and all that.

00:56:20.000 And you still see it, like, in my hometown.

00:56:22.000 People are still waiting for that, you know, Civil Rights Movement to come back and they're 70, 80 years old, you know?

00:56:29.000 And it's just...

00:56:30.000 The younger generations have had enough of it.

00:56:33.000 It's like a clash of the titans.

00:56:36.000 A new generation is being born.

00:56:38.000 It's what we said earlier with new media taking over legacy media.

00:56:43.000 You see these legacy media companies that just don't get new media.

00:56:47.000 They'll pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for somebody equally clueless about how to go viral on new media.

00:56:54.000 When they can hire the teenager down the street who's got like a hundred thousand subscribers or followers on Instagram.

00:57:01.000 I mean, you take a look at Chicken City.

00:57:03.000 Yeah, more subscribers in CNN, more money than CNN.

00:57:08.000 Well, they had 150,000 paying subscribers on a $300 million initial investment, up to a billion.

00:57:16.000 So probably more profit.

00:57:17.000 But I honestly do think that Chicken City has made, or at least in the first 30 days on track, to make more money than CNN+.

00:57:26.000 No, no, no, that's not true at all.

00:57:28.000 But my point is, bringing up Chicken City is just because I think it's hilarious how successful it's become.

00:57:34.000 But you were mentioning it before the show, like none of these people would ever thought, won't think of something like this.

00:57:39.000 How do you engage community?

00:57:41.000 How do you, you know, you've got, even the Daily Wire is doing a really, really great job fighting back.

00:57:47.000 They're like, we're gonna make a children's show.

00:57:50.000 And they are still very much approaching this in a traditional way with new technologies.

00:57:55.000 And the stuff we're working on is trying to be very different, much more like a skunk work or something. 0.69

00:58:01.000 Chicken City is a wild and weird idea with chicken parties, but it's very much working in terms of creating a new kind of family content.

00:58:08.000 Well, part of why I would argue that it, I mean, I imagine Chicken City is more profitable than CNN Plus because you have, pun intended, recouped your costs.

00:58:17.000 CNN Plus was, how much did you say they invested?

00:58:19.000 You are correct, sir.

00:58:19.000 $300 million?

00:58:20.000 You are correct, yes.

00:58:21.000 So you're turning a profit on Chicken City.

00:58:24.000 I mean, look, a chicken rave is more interesting than a Jake Tapper boot club in absolute terms.

00:58:30.000 I mean, the noises aren't all that different, but the chickens are more entertaining to watch.

00:58:35.000 You're talking about the view.

00:58:38.000 Everyone keeps coming into Chicken City and saying, is this the view?

00:58:42.000 You write about legacy media not knowing what they're doing?

00:58:45.000 Not only do they not know what they're doing, they don't know who to talk to to figure out what to do.

00:58:52.000 Well, I think it's not like, oh, hey, wait, Tim Pool seems to understand viral content.

00:58:58.000 Let me reach out and see if he can give me a referral on how to advertise my whatever you want.

00:59:04.000 Yeah, there's cognitive moment of cognitive dissonance where it's like, no, that can't be working, even though they see it working.

00:59:08.000 It's like that can't be working.

00:59:09.000 It can't be working.

00:59:10.000 It takes like two years before they're like, oh, we were wrong.

00:59:13.000 It takes never.

00:59:14.000 It's something I learned about science.

00:59:16.000 It's like the old generation never gets a clue. 0.99

00:59:19.000 They just die away and the new generation So what's happening is we've seen that with like CBS, ABC, that's legacy, legacy, old golden age.

00:59:27.000 Now we've got this modern legacy, which is like Facebook, YouTube, sorry guys, Twitter, decentralized services.

00:59:34.000 That's going the way of the Dodo as well.

00:59:36.000 It's moving towards federalization, federation, and decentralization.

00:59:39.000 So networks that aren't already focused on that are also going to start falling away.

00:59:43.000 You've seen Facebook.

00:59:44.000 No, but it's even with all the political pressure.

00:59:47.000 For example, like Rikita Media, when they did the Kyle Rittenhouse case, they like eclipsed any of the big three networks in their coverage.

00:59:55.000 Because not only was it timely, they got the feed, but they had intelligent analysis of it.

01:00:01.000 Whereas the legacy networks, they were caught with their pants down.

01:00:04.000 Not only that, but I believe for the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial right now, big news.

01:00:09.000 Rikita Law, I think, is the number one superchatted channel in the country this week.

01:00:14.000 With their coverage of the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial.

01:00:17.000 Did you guys watch any of the trial?

01:00:19.000 I tuned in, I was like, I gotta know.

01:00:21.000 We've been talking about Johnny Depp, Amber Heard.

01:00:22.000 I'm like, I just gotta get a taste.

01:00:23.000 So I went on and watched, and it's John being really funny.

01:00:27.000 And he's just making people laugh.

01:00:28.000 That's why that thing's so popular right now, because he's hilarious.

01:00:31.000 Wow.

01:00:32.000 I'm missing out.

01:00:33.000 Yeah, I'm not gonna lie.

01:00:34.000 I try not to pay attention to celebrities, but I did see a couple clips of him responding to questions while the lawyer was harassing him, and it was genuinely pretty funny.

01:00:44.000 It's like some of the best thing on TV right now.

01:00:44.000 Yeah!

01:00:46.000 Besides this show.

01:00:46.000 Yeah.

01:00:47.000 Yeah, of course.

01:00:49.000 The danger that these new legacy social networks have is that they're centralized.

01:00:55.000 So like the NSA can go into their database and give them a gag order and then just take

01:00:59.000 control of the network.

01:01:01.000 So if you have centralized services like logins and passwords, that's all legacy stuff, man.

01:01:06.000 Lids, I sent you my meme about finding the feds in the data center.

01:01:10.000 I said, when Elon Musk inspects Twitter, that's who he's going to find.

01:01:15.000 We talked about who's going to be on the ban list.

01:01:17.000 It's the people on the blacklists.

01:01:18.000 Yeah.

01:01:19.000 The people that are deranked and don't know it, all that's going to start coming out soon.

01:01:22.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:01:23.000 That's my main issue with Twitter is like the people who are interesting, you just don't see them and you have no idea why and they don't have any idea why.

01:01:30.000 I wonder how many people are going to go to prison.

01:01:32.000 Maybe it's a stretch to assume, but I imagine The testimony that we heard before Congress was false.

01:01:41.000 And Elon Musk is going to have documents showing shadow banning and all that stuff they claim they didn't do.

01:01:46.000 The issue, however, is going to be that Jack Dorsey is going to be like, well, at the time, I frankly, I didn't know that it was going on and I was acting under the the advisement of our legal counsel.

01:01:58.000 You know what they say, the buck stops with the legal counsel.

01:02:01.000 It's not my fault.

01:02:02.000 Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey on this show.

01:02:05.000 Open advice, guys.

01:02:06.000 Would love to have you.

01:02:06.000 It'd be amazing.

01:02:09.000 I hit up Joe Rogan.

01:02:10.000 I was like, you, me, Elon, Jack Dorsey, Twitter episode, round two.

01:02:15.000 Oh my god.

01:02:16.000 That would be epic.

01:02:17.000 But, you know, something like that could actually happen.

01:02:20.000 I kind of feel like I, once again, just kind of like shoving myself in there.

01:02:24.000 You have to wait for Elon to take over Twitter and make agreements with Jack Dorsey about what he got.

01:02:30.000 Gab got Andrew Torba.

01:02:31.000 We got Jeremy Kaufman at Odyssey.

01:02:34.000 There's Jack Dorsey with Twitter.

01:02:35.000 Now Elon can be involved and he's a developer.

01:02:38.000 He's a coder, man.

01:02:39.000 This guy, it's so great to have him at the table.

01:02:41.000 I think he bought Twitter so he could go.

01:02:43.000 He's like, I want to be in on it.

01:02:44.000 He read my mind.

01:02:44.000 Exactly.

01:02:45.000 Yeah, he can look at the algorithms and figure out what's up.

01:02:48.000 That's the exciting part.

01:02:50.000 It'd be funny if like the only thing he does is just tweet at some like celebrity like Sia or something.

01:02:56.000 And he's like, yo, I would really love to meet you and hang out.

01:02:58.000 And then afterwards, he just sells the company back.

01:03:01.000 That's all I wanted to do.

01:03:02.000 I didn't know how to get a hold of this person.

01:03:04.000 I'm rich.

01:03:05.000 I am curious what his long-term plans are.

01:03:07.000 He says he wants to make it a more free speech platform.

01:03:10.000 I know his long-term plan.

01:03:11.000 Is he going to go public again once it's worth way more?

01:03:11.000 What is it?

01:03:14.000 No, he's not planning on making it profitable.

01:03:15.000 Take a look at this tweet.

01:03:16.000 We have this tweet from Trung Phan. 0.95

01:03:18.000 Hacker News speculating on how Twitter will integrate with SpaceX for interplanetary communication.

01:03:23.000 Someone wrote, this is from Generalizations, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Twitter is probably the best social media platform for interplanetary communication, where low bandwidth and delayed transmission are fundamental bottlenecks, and both limitations are considered part of the appeal.

01:03:38.000 In that case, I wonder if the monetization will ultimately be based on latency and message size.

01:03:43.000 Pay more for your message to be sent from Mars, the next transmission, and pay more to send a larger message.

01:03:48.000 Locally, I wonder if Twitter will be tied to Starlink in some fashion.

01:03:52.000 Think about this.

01:03:53.000 Elon Musk apparently launched some shell companies, and there might be a single parent company for SpaceX, Tesla, and Twitter.

01:04:01.000 He might actually want to make sure Twitter works because it's the only social media platform that would work via interplanetary communications.

01:04:10.000 Facebook could theoretically work, but you'd be limited.

01:04:13.000 This makes a really, really good point.

01:04:15.000 The appeal of Twitter is character limitations, in which case it's optimized for sending messages back and forth.

01:04:22.000 Can you send a software update to the Voyager craft to tweet?

01:04:26.000 Yeah, I was about to say, I mean, look, if this gets hooked up to SETI somehow, or aliens end up seeing Twitter, we're in gigantic trouble.

01:04:34.000 Like, this could really spell disaster for the human race.

01:04:37.000 We sent out Voyager with that golden disc or whatever, with like, basic math and pictures of humans, and then it's like, it's floating out there, but what beats it is the transmission of, at the speed of light, of Twitter.

01:04:51.000 And so then one day, right before the Voyager craft reaches the alien vessel, the wave of Twitter hits the ship, and then they see everything.

01:04:59.000 I've never seen a thin person drink Diet Coke.

01:05:02.000 They're like, what is this?

01:05:04.000 Well, the good news is all that stuff gets scrambled after a certain number of light years away.

01:05:10.000 But the other one is, imagine a Mars rover that live tweeted.

01:05:14.000 That's highly practical.

01:05:16.000 Yeah, I mean, it's really easy to receive transmissions and convert them to tweets.

01:05:20.000 One of the things that a friend of mine did was he had, you could, I forgot, you could use dial-up internet to tweet.

01:05:30.000 And they did this really interesting way where they converted the text into Morse code.

01:05:34.000 Morse code, you know, that was then traveled over the phone line to a voiced text, which converted the Morse code back into text and then tweeted it out.

01:05:43.000 Crazy stuff like that.

01:05:45.000 When you had no means of like... Morse code was the original Twitter, come on.

01:05:51.000 People try to limit their character count and... I gotta say though, Twitter really did disprove the aphorism that brevity is the soul of wit because it's all short and it's all the dumbest thing you've ever read. 0.97

01:06:01.000 Let's talk about- let's just jump to this story. 0.76

01:06:03.000 Actually, let's do this story right here.

01:06:05.000 Check this out.

01:06:05.000 Welcome to the future, my friends.

01:06:07.000 From TimCast.com, Google to begin suggesting inclusive language corrections for writers using Docs.

01:06:13.000 I've already noticed stuff like this, alright?

01:06:16.000 I'm actually very happy about this because- The aim of the new assistive writing function will be able

01:06:23.000 to help users avoid politically incorrect language. Quote, potentially discriminatory or

01:06:27.000 inappropriate language will be flagged along with suggestions on how to make your

01:06:30.000 writing more inclusive and appropriate for your audience. Incredible. There's a

01:06:35.000 reason I still use notepad, man.

01:06:38.000 Well, I gotta say, I'm actually happy about this because it will let me know that there are more offensive ways to say what I'm currently saying.

01:06:43.000 Like, if I didn't even realize a phrase was something people consider to be upsetting, Google will now alert me to that, which I appreciate.

01:06:49.000 That's why I can use it more in the document.

01:06:50.000 Like, oh, I didn't realize that makes sense.

01:06:50.000 You can write it down.

01:06:52.000 Oh, there's a no-no phrase.

01:06:53.000 I'll save this one for next time.

01:06:53.000 There we go.

01:06:55.000 This is the future, though.

01:06:56.000 This is, I mean, Elon Musk is what, one inch of pushback against a tidal wave of just insanity?

01:07:02.000 Well, this is where Ian talking about federated systems being the future is it?

01:07:07.000 Like, I can't imagine, like, you know, we talk about getting physical copies of media because anything that's on cloud services gets censored to death or just wiped from their servers.

01:07:17.000 Like, you know, think of the movies and how much they've been censored from like 30 years ago.

01:07:23.000 I have a Synology drive at home where I just keep any movie I want to keep that's been censored.

01:07:30.000 Here's what I find fascinating in the culture war.

01:07:34.000 We don't do blackface.

01:07:35.000 People do it ironically as a joke, but no one is legitimately doing blackface.

01:07:41.000 Right not funny. However, it used to be culturally relevant.

01:07:41.000 It's stupid.

01:07:45.000 And so we decided as a society. Hey this thing we don't do anymore 1.00

01:07:49.000 It's stupid. Yeah, people don't like it. We're gonna avoid it now as for the comedians who mock the idea 0.99

01:07:55.000 We don't do that anymore either because people get canceled, but that's the interesting point

01:07:59.000 We're at a point now where it seems like something happened I think it was social media, where you used to have the left pulling all of society slightly leftward as the right just was being dragged behind.

01:08:12.000 Everything drifted to the left.

01:08:14.000 Something happened where that chain between the left and the right snapped and the left just immediately lunged a hundred feet forward and the right stopped moving and just went, wait, what?

01:08:24.000 Now we're seeing the left go absolutely insane.

01:08:26.000 And they're determining that things that are still culturally irrelevant

01:08:30.000 are no longer culturally acceptable.

01:08:32.000 You end up seeing things like Ethan Klein.

01:08:33.000 He got canceled twice now.

01:08:34.000 Do you guys see this?

01:08:35.000 Again?

01:08:36.000 Yeah, because he mocked. 0.72

01:08:37.000 So Ethan Klein of H3, he lost his sponsors because he said something about gay people

01:08:45.000 that he wasn't actually disparaging them.

01:08:46.000 He just had an incorrect thing.

01:08:48.000 Oh, whoa, well, you can't say that.

01:08:50.000 So he loses his sponsors.

01:08:52.000 He apologized for this.

01:08:53.000 And then like a week and a half later, he then tweets a mock apology, mocking his first apology.

01:08:59.000 So now he's getting flack all over again.

01:09:01.000 That always goes well.

01:09:02.000 The point is, he didn't even make a joke about somebody.

01:09:05.000 He made a statement that he thought was relevant, and it turns out the left had already moved and left him behind.

01:09:10.000 Nothing is keeping them from just going off and going crazy further and further off into the progressive distance.

01:09:15.000 Well, that's what Zuby says.

01:09:17.000 He's like, I'm just a normal guy from 2012.

01:09:18.000 Why am I right-wing?

01:09:21.000 So what's happened is, Yes, things over time become less culturally acceptable.

01:09:21.000 Exactly.

01:09:27.000 Some new things become culturally acceptable.

01:09:29.000 Sometimes we go back a little bit.

01:09:30.000 Sometimes we go forward.

01:09:31.000 But at this point, it's like the left is changing culture 10 times as fast as culture normally changed. 0.99

01:09:37.000 And we're standing back being like, yo, you guys are nuts. 0.99

01:09:40.000 You've gone too far. 0.99

01:09:41.000 You can't change culture into thinking men are women and women are men.

01:09:44.000 Sorry.

01:09:45.000 I mean, at that point, you know.

01:09:47.000 I'm just gonna say it.

01:09:48.000 The magic fish is out of wishes.

01:09:50.000 To my theory, things change most quickly when they're falling apart.

01:09:55.000 Maybe.

01:09:56.000 Maybe the culture is in free-fall, so the speed at which we're moving feels like we're driving fast, when actually it's just free-fall.

01:10:02.000 Just falling apart.

01:10:03.000 Yeah, I mean, they're falling apart, but then on the flip side, they're using all sorts of conservative lingo, like, triggered, and what is it, like, patriot-takes.

01:10:10.000 They're using the word patriot to claim that they're the patriots.

01:10:14.000 No, patriot-takes is mocking patriots.

01:10:16.000 I know, but are they?

01:10:18.000 Yes, like patriot takes means like a tweet from a patriot.

01:10:22.000 They're mocking you.

01:10:24.000 Yeah, to be fair.

01:10:24.000 Well, but I think what you are correct about is that establishment Democrat types have sort of co-opted the language of patriotism over the past couple years.

01:10:32.000 Right.

01:10:33.000 I mean, they talk about insurrection and that kind of patriotism and protecting our Constitution, and that's why we need to go after J6. 1.00

01:10:41.000 Well, the purpose of calling it an insurrection was to try to disqualify people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Trump.

01:10:47.000 Because the 14th Amendment specifically says if they waged insurrection against the United States, so they needed the narrative first so that people would believe it.

01:10:55.000 Then they could file the lawsuits and try and get it.

01:10:57.000 The problem is they move too fast.

01:11:00.000 You need a generation to instill an idea that a thing happened.

01:11:03.000 You can't do it in a year.

01:11:05.000 And so the judge in this case, he looks quite, the Marjorie Taylor Greene thing where they're trying to disqualify her, the judge looks absolutely, you know, it's funny.

01:11:13.000 If you get your news from the left, man, these people really warp reality.

01:11:16.000 They're like, oh man, the judge is facepalming.

01:11:19.000 Oh, it's going so bad for Marjorie.

01:11:22.000 The whole time I'm watching this trial, the judge keeps telling the lawyer against Marjorie.

01:11:28.000 He keeps saying things like, what are you doing?

01:11:30.000 Where are you going with this?

01:11:32.000 And Marjorie's lawyer's objecting to everything.

01:11:35.000 And the judge just keeps saying, what are you doing?

01:11:37.000 What is this about?

01:11:39.000 Because he's asking irrelevant things.

01:11:40.000 He's like, in 2019, did you tweet this?

01:11:43.000 And Marjorie's like, yeah.

01:11:44.000 And he's like, aha!

01:11:45.000 And the lawyer's like, how is this relevant to whether or not on January 6th, in or around, she waged insurrection against the United States?

01:11:52.000 And the judge is like, what's the point of that question?

01:11:54.000 It's like, is this an HR meeting?

01:11:55.000 I'm trying, I'm trying to establish...

01:12:00.000 It's just remarkably bad.

01:12:01.000 Yeah, I mean, the Articles of Confederacy was a pretty solid case for the southern states doing an insurrection.

01:12:10.000 I think that's what the 14th Amendment was after, not because somebody tweeted that they didn't believe this election was legitimate or, you know.

01:12:17.000 Whatever.

01:12:18.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene said something like, today is our 1776.

01:12:22.000 And I think she tweeted that in 2019 or something.

01:12:25.000 And they're like, why would you say that?

01:12:26.000 And she's like, because it's on the state seal.

01:12:31.000 We say it all the time.

01:12:32.000 It's a date that means victory.

01:12:34.000 Well, you saw they pointed out Nancy Pelosi said the same thing about the summer riots that this is our 1776.

01:12:40.000 Really?

01:12:40.000 Yeah, of 2020.

01:12:44.000 That's why I just think it's war. 0.97

01:12:46.000 And we're looking at right now, for the most part, a fifth generational war.

01:12:51.000 So, of course they're gonna come out now, and they're gonna beg.

01:12:54.000 It's that quote we say, and I can never remember the guy's name, that, you know, it's like, when I am weak, Right.

01:13:01.000 When you're in power, you deny my free speech because it's according to your power.

01:13:04.000 When I am weak, I, or it's like, you know, whatever.

01:13:08.000 When you're in power, you deny my free speech because it's according to your power.

01:13:12.000 When you are weak, you demand free speech because it gives you power.

01:13:16.000 When, when I am weak, I ask for free speech because it's according to your principles.

01:13:19.000 When I am strong, I deny you your free speech because it's according to mine.

01:13:22.000 Did you guys see the part of the hearing where the lawyer asked her if when she said we will

01:13:28.000 not go quietly into that night, whether she was quoting Independence Day?

01:13:32.000 It's like, what?

01:13:35.000 So what?

01:13:35.000 She's like, no, that's not what I was quoting because it's not originally from Independence Day either.

01:13:38.000 It's an old poem.

01:13:39.000 He's like, well, that's from Independence Day, right?

01:13:42.000 Which is about The 4th of July?

01:13:44.000 It's like it's about an alien invasion, dude.

01:13:47.000 I mean, it is fascinating, though, that he was attacking Marjorie Taylor Greene under the pretext of the 4th of July, 1776, being bad for the United States.

01:13:57.000 It's like, that's our birthday.

01:13:58.000 It's like, could you imagine someone being like, today is our birthday!

01:14:01.000 What does that mean?

01:14:02.000 Are you creating something new to challenge us? 0.97

01:14:05.000 It's ridiculous. 0.96

01:14:05.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:14:06.000 It is.

01:14:06.000 I get the feeling that it was the 2008, the financial crisis when Obama bailed out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

01:14:13.000 It was basically when it sent everything into a death spiral in this country, fiscally, and now people are like, there's no truth but power because money's useless now.

01:14:20.000 Well, also, I want to say, if you think America should deny its heritage as being a nation which was built upon resisting illegitimate power or violation of your rights, aren't you the revolutionary?

01:14:33.000 Aren't you the insurrectionist?

01:14:34.000 Because aren't you trying to fundamentally change what this country means and what it's built upon?

01:14:38.000 So, the left was smart about it and seized the institutions first.

01:14:42.000 Now they can claim to be the legitimate institution.

01:14:45.000 And you, as someone who upholds the Constitution, are the revolutionary trying to overthrow their institutions.

01:14:51.000 That's right.

01:14:52.000 You, the person who celebrates the people who literally founded the country.

01:14:58.000 I think it's something the Tea Party really helped enlighten Americans is about how much Obama really politicized the state apparatus in this country and turned it into a Democrat institution.

01:15:15.000 Truly one of the darkest presidents we've ever had, Barack Obama.

01:15:19.000 And he's a guy who politicized institutions.

01:15:22.000 We had federal agencies going after right-wing groups.

01:15:25.000 You had the extrajudicial assassination of American citizens.

01:15:30.000 You had the indefinite detention provisions of the NDAA.

01:15:34.000 The lies on top of lies, all with a big smiling face.

01:15:37.000 But George Bush Jr.

01:15:38.000 was probably worse.

01:15:40.000 And with the Cheney, I should call it the Cheney administration.

01:15:42.000 That was pretty nasty.

01:15:43.000 At least there was an opposition to George W. Bush.

01:15:45.000 I mean, Obama is still out there demanding that any of his critics be silenced.

01:15:51.000 And that's scary.

01:15:52.000 Yeah, the American population's response to the Obama presidency was the most disgusting letdown of my life.

01:15:59.000 That's why I say, you know, he's one of the darkest, one of the darkest presidencies, one of the most disastrous, is because under this veil of Like hope and change.

01:16:13.000 We got not only the same thing, but many things that were actually worse.

01:16:17.000 So, yeah, George W. Bush was much darker.

01:16:21.000 You know, the invasions was probably some of the darkest days that we've seen.

01:16:26.000 And the horrifying things that came out of all that.

01:16:28.000 Absolutely.

01:16:29.000 Nation building, you know, for 20 years.

01:16:31.000 Barack Obama was really, really bad following up.

01:16:34.000 But people abandoned the fight afterwards.

01:16:36.000 And that's that that, you know, that hit me hard.

01:16:37.000 I talk about it all the time.

01:16:38.000 Yeah.

01:16:39.000 Their faith in the leader, which is the biggest problem.

01:16:41.000 More faith in yourself.

01:16:42.000 I think both administrations were a disaster for the American people.

01:16:46.000 I do dislike Obama and the Obama administration more.

01:16:49.000 I'll say that.

01:16:50.000 However, you made a point about Obama talking about how people who disagree with him should be censored.

01:16:54.000 One thing H.W.

01:16:55.000 had the decency to do after leaving the Oval Office was to go away.

01:16:59.000 He went away, and he said, I'm gonna go paint my pictures and spend my life doing that.

01:17:04.000 And we don't hear from him all that often, except for when the left, for whatever bizarre reason, wants to march him out and go, remember when we had good Republican leadership?

01:17:14.000 Unlike these evil MAGA conservatives we have now, even though they hated him and he started new wars and was overall a terrible president.

01:17:21.000 So but then there's the scene where like Obama was in a party with Biden and he looked like he's still the president and Biden is not even vice president.

01:17:28.000 He's like the mascot or something like he's just walking around lost while Obama is shaking everybody's hand and well that that clip that that clip is he was looking for someone.

01:17:41.000 So everyone shares.

01:17:41.000 I really can't stand this.

01:17:43.000 You don't need to try to make Biden look nuts.

01:17:46.000 So there's a clip of Joe Biden walking away from like Obama talking with people and he's looking around all confused because he was supposed to introduce someone to the group and he couldn't find him.

01:17:55.000 And it was like 10 seconds of him being like, where'd this guy go?

01:17:57.000 People grab it and they're like, oh, it's so sad.

01:17:59.000 Look, Joe Biden's lost.

01:18:00.000 And I'm like, dude, come on.

01:18:01.000 You just show him saying, Trina not a shot without pressure. 0.97

01:18:04.000 You don't need to take a clip of him looking for someone, being confused as to where the person went, act like he's befuddled.

01:18:09.000 I hear you on that, but on the other hand, given his behavior in the past, doesn't it make sense that upon seeing that clip, a person would assume this is cognitive of him looking for someone?

01:18:17.000 The problem is when people on the right Pounce.

01:18:21.000 And they don't do their research.

01:18:22.000 Similar about when Eternity looked like he was shaking hands with a ghost.

01:18:22.000 Agreed.

01:18:26.000 They were like, come on, he could have just been waving.

01:18:28.000 You don't know that he was actually trying to shake someone's hand.

01:18:30.000 No, he made a deal with the devil and he was... I don't want to jump on that one either.

01:18:33.000 That's the media trying to justify his weird behaviors.

01:18:35.000 It's tough to tell.

01:18:37.000 You don't finish a speech and then turn to your right and hold your hand out for no reason.

01:18:39.000 But he might have been like, wait, you know, he does that thing where he puts his hands up like halfway.

01:18:43.000 That makes no sense.

01:18:44.000 Dude, can you imagine if you did that at the end of a Timcast episode?

01:18:47.000 Just like turn and like shook no one's hand?

01:18:49.000 People will be like, what did Tim Pool just do?

01:18:52.000 Can we allow people who are experiencing that kind of decline to have the power of a podcaster against the President of the United States? 0.99

01:18:59.000 The media will rush to the defense of Joe Biden when he does something ridiculous or stupid, and many on the right will rush to say Joe Biden did something ridiculous or stupid regardless of the context. 0.98

01:19:09.000 Typically, though, you don't need to try very hard. 0.99

01:19:11.000 That's why I'm like, dude, like Trump, you don't need to make me defend the guy.

01:19:14.000 You can point out things you really want to critique him on and win arguments that way.

01:19:17.000 Right.

01:19:18.000 I'm honestly not even saying that.

01:19:20.000 I'm honestly not even saying that. I'm just saying that clip showed how like Obama just seems much more in charge

01:19:27.000 of what's happening in the Oval Office than Joe Biden.

01:19:30.000 Tim, what was the fake word he said?

01:19:33.000 I think the word was, like, he's going to try to get the deal done. He's going to try to get the deal done. And I

01:19:40.000 It was the one word that describes America.

01:19:40.000 think that's what he's trying to do.

01:19:43.000 It was just muttered gibberish.

01:19:44.000 Oh, man.

01:19:45.000 One word describes America.

01:19:50.000 You said it well.

01:19:52.000 It was because he was trying to then change the subject, I guess, to I was hiking the Himalayas.

01:19:58.000 I was hiking the foothills of the Himalayas, that's right.

01:20:00.000 Let's talk about what's going on over in Europe because of our poor leadership.

01:20:03.000 Companies are overwhelmed with inquiries for nuclear bunkers in Switzerland and reporting shortage of materials following Ukraine invasion.

01:20:12.000 Since the 1960s, every Swiss municipality had to build nuclear bunkers for residents.

01:20:16.000 Residents are now contacting specialist companies to build or renovate shelters.

01:20:20.000 The bunkers are being viewed in a new light since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

01:20:25.000 What Switzerland needs is 200-gallon propane tanks for the impending Russian oil embargo.

01:20:32.000 Under Donald Trump, no new wars.

01:20:35.000 Now, under Joe Biden, bunkers.

01:20:39.000 Nuclear bunkers.

01:20:40.000 Nuclear bunkers.

01:20:41.000 Congratulations, I guess, you voted for it.

01:20:42.000 We went from if it saves one life to how bad can World War III be.

01:20:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:20:48.000 I mean, if it's for a good cause, let's do it.

01:20:50.000 If it saves one life, we'll vote for Joe Biden, one of the most corrupt individuals to ever serve government.

01:20:55.000 And then Anthony Blinken and the defense secretary, Lloyd Austin, are like posing with Zelensky.

01:21:04.000 Who's the defense secretary?

01:21:06.000 What's her name?

01:21:07.000 Lloyd Austin.

01:21:07.000 Lloyd Austin's the guy?

01:21:08.000 Yeah.

01:21:09.000 Like, how much more direct involvement in Ukraine are we going to get?

01:21:15.000 Oh, it seems like we're going in.

01:21:17.000 I don't know for sure, but you know, I think it's good.

01:21:21.000 Look, Vladimir Putin, Russia, they already believe they're at war with NATO. 0.98

01:21:26.000 It is, in my opinion, ignorant, propagandized Americans who don't understand this point. 0.92

01:21:34.000 Do you think that Vladimir Putin is sitting there saying, I sent my troops into Ukraine and they're fighting NATO tanks and fighter jets? 0.96

01:21:40.000 That's just Ukraine. 0.77

01:21:42.000 Or do you think he's like, I'm at war with NATO?

01:21:44.000 He's at war with NATO.

01:21:45.000 All of the weapons, even the people.

01:21:48.000 Do you think Vladimir Putin is sitting there watching American veterans fighting in Ukraine and he goes, well those are just volunteers?

01:21:54.000 Or is he saying, America, NATO countries are sending people.

01:21:59.000 They're coming in, they're being armed by NATO.

01:22:03.000 Well, I'll put it this way.

01:22:05.000 When we found out that non-government Russian citizens purchased $46,000 worth of Facebook ads related to the 2016 presidential election.

01:22:13.000 $4,600.

01:22:13.000 I'm sorry, $4,600!

01:22:18.000 Take out a zero.

01:22:19.000 Wow, so even better.

01:22:20.000 Help me make my point even better.

01:22:22.000 When that occurred, and we learned that, there were respectable figures in American politics saying that that was an act of war by Russia against the United States of America.

01:22:33.000 Well, the only answer is World War III. 0.53

01:22:36.000 Yeah, let's just blow it all up.

01:22:36.000 Obviously.

01:22:39.000 It's funny that the people who always tell us to go to war are telling us to go to war now.

01:22:42.000 I mean, there must be a good reason.

01:22:44.000 I mean, you'll notice something.

01:22:45.000 None of this is going to the UN.

01:22:48.000 All these like accusations of war crimes and all of these other accusations, whatever, none of it's going to the UN because they know.

01:22:55.000 I mean, they already know they tried to get a condemnation of Russia and the rest of the world is like, no, we know what you're up to.

01:23:03.000 Like sticking a bunch of troops and artillery on the border of a country, of a sovereign country, and then acting shocked when they invade to destroy the border defenses?

01:23:12.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what Putin said when he invaded, is he's like, look, you're creating an untenable security situation on my border.

01:23:19.000 And technically, by international law, I believe that justifies going in.

01:23:24.000 You can't have terrorists on somebody's border and expect them to take it.

01:23:29.000 I mean, Israel and Saudi Arabia do it, and that makes for a very awkward situation.

01:23:35.000 I think the main reason that the democratic establishment has been screaming Russia for so long is they know that Putin is like the one guy in Europe that won't fall in line.

01:23:44.000 That they've got everybody bending the knee to the new plans for their economic bloc, except for Russia.

01:23:49.000 Yeah, well, and when you can successfully convince a large portion of the American population that the presidency is under the control of the Russian government, any time the president doesn't try to step up aggressive acts with Russia, they can claim that it's just evidence that he's bought and sold by them. 0.74

01:24:08.000 And remember when we opposed the Iraq war, we were called terrorist sympathizers.

01:24:13.000 And wait for the midterms to come in.

01:24:15.000 Anybody who opposes our actions in Ukraine is going to be called a Putin sympathizer.

01:24:19.000 So I'm ready.

01:24:19.000 Exactly.

01:24:20.000 You know, it's not my first rodeo.

01:24:22.000 And back then they said, you don't care about freedom.

01:24:25.000 We need to fight for freedom.

01:24:27.000 And now they go, we need to protect our democracy.

01:24:29.000 It's just more meaningless buzzphrases.

01:24:31.000 We're protected by securing our borders, bringing manufacturing back, focusing on our infrastructure.

01:24:37.000 Our roads are crumbling, our bridges are crumbling.

01:24:39.000 We need clean water in places, in small cities all over this place.

01:24:43.000 We got bad pipes.

01:24:44.000 Instead, it's just like, can we send a billion dollars to Ukraine again?

01:24:50.000 That's what our labor is good for, I guess, to go.

01:24:52.000 So that's the other thing, too.

01:24:53.000 It's like, if our money is funding this, do the people behind it really matter?

01:24:56.000 If they're piloting drones, even.

01:24:58.000 Like, at what point does it matter who the person is behind it?

01:25:01.000 It matters who's funding it.

01:25:03.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:25:04.000 In which case, nuclear bunkers, World War III, everybody.

01:25:07.000 That's the ballet, is what can the U.S.

01:25:10.000 fund legally in Ukraine, and that's why it's like we can't get directly involved, but we can do lend-lease, and we can send military experts and advisors. 0.63

01:25:21.000 This is what's ridiculous.

01:25:23.000 If I'm watching a dude throw rocks at me, All right. 0.77

01:25:26.000 Am I going to be like, well, technically, or I'll put it this way.

01:25:29.000 If Ian is throwing rocks at me and Seamus is handing him the rocks, am I going to be like, Seamus is not involved in this?

01:25:35.000 Hold on a second.

01:25:36.000 No, I didn't tell him to do that with the rocks.

01:25:39.000 You didn't tell me not to.

01:25:40.000 No, I was just passing rocks to Ian.

01:25:43.000 Ian goes, Seamus, give me rocks!

01:25:44.000 And you're like, you got it, buddy.

01:25:45.000 And then I'm like, I'm only at war with Ian.

01:25:48.000 Seamus is doing nothing wrong.

01:25:49.000 The Nazis declared war on the United States because they were giving weapons to the British.

01:25:53.000 As they were, the Germans were already at war with the British.

01:25:55.000 And then when they're like, okay, enough's enough.

01:25:57.000 Can you please stop?

01:25:58.000 First they tried to, I think they started sinking stuff with U-boats.

01:26:00.000 So that's kind of how they announced their war.

01:26:02.000 But yeah, if you lend lease to someone's enemy, they're going to look at you as an enemy.

01:26:06.000 For sure.

01:26:06.000 I just don't think Putin is looking at global domination or has any intention outside of Eastern Ukraine.

01:26:10.000 He just wants... He doesn't want Ukraine to become a NATO country because it means he's got artillery on his front doorstep.

01:26:10.000 No, he's not.

01:26:17.000 I mean, you saw that explosion... Well, Estonia is on his doorstep, though. 0.83

01:26:21.000 Yeah, I think... He's already got two NATO countries on his doorstep.

01:26:22.000 Yeah, I know.

01:26:23.000 He's got enough problems already, but, you know, he doesn't need one more.

01:26:27.000 You know, there was that explosion that happened that was, like, closer to Moscow than Kiev.

01:26:32.000 Yeah.

01:26:33.000 What was that about?

01:26:34.000 There was some explosion at the fuel depot or something.

01:26:38.000 He's got Latvia and Estonia.

01:26:40.000 They're NATO countries already on his border.

01:26:42.000 And you know, one other thing, notice they had the worst COVID lockdowns in the world.

01:26:48.000 Like you could not get a job if you were not vaccinated.

01:26:51.000 In Russia?

01:26:52.000 No, the Baltic States, Lithuania and stuff.

01:26:55.000 And like people had to basically develop a black market.

01:26:58.000 This is what I keep saying.

01:27:00.000 It's geopolitics that's fueling the lockdowns.

01:27:04.000 It's like based on how much the U.S.

01:27:08.000 powers want people to bend the knee to them is how deep the lockdowns are going.

01:27:14.000 I think it has a lot to do with oil.

01:27:17.000 Is my camera broken?

01:27:18.000 My cameras!

01:27:19.000 That's weird because it works over here.

01:27:22.000 Well, this one works.

01:27:23.000 Hey, look, we have a map of of Europe while I talk.

01:27:26.000 Map of Estonia.

01:27:27.000 Right.

01:27:27.000 OBS is on the fritz.

01:27:29.000 Axis and allies.

01:27:30.000 Here we go.

01:27:31.000 I love that game.

01:27:33.000 You know, we talked about it before.

01:27:34.000 Oil has a lot to do with it.

01:27:35.000 Ukraine is a transport for oil.

01:27:38.000 It's not the camera because a camera is It's clearly working right now.

01:27:43.000 It's just OBS scenes crapped out on us for some reason.

01:27:47.000 We'll have to make, like, emergency backup scenes.

01:27:49.000 We just don't have emergency backups for the right one.

01:27:52.000 I wonder why that happens.

01:27:53.000 These things are all a part of growing up.

01:27:56.000 These things happen.

01:27:57.000 Yeah, but anyway, the question is, will Vladimir Putin use nukes, and do we need nuclear bunkers?

01:28:02.000 He's not going to use nukes, because once he uses nukes, he knows he's lost the war.

01:28:06.000 He becomes a pariah state.

01:28:10.000 Yeah, Russia would be taken apart by the global community if he fired nukes.

01:28:15.000 It's purely a scare tactic.

01:28:18.000 I disagree.

01:28:18.000 I think he could use a 100 kiloton bomb on Kiev and no one would do anything about it.

01:28:22.000 And they've already been economically isolated.

01:28:25.000 People have already said he actually has no interest in Kiev.

01:28:28.000 Bryansk was where the explosion happened.

01:28:31.000 Bryansk.

01:28:32.000 B-R-Y-A-N-S-K. 1.00

01:28:32.000 How do you spell that one? 1.00

01:28:36.000 Bryansk.

01:28:38.000 Oh yeah, look at that.

01:28:39.000 So, what is that about?

01:28:42.000 No idea.

01:28:42.000 There are also a string of food plants exploding.

01:28:45.000 Do you guys see that?

01:28:46.000 Yeah, I heard about that.

01:28:47.000 Very bizarre.

01:28:48.000 And plane crashes at food plants.

01:28:52.000 You know, people talk about supply chain disruptions.

01:28:55.000 What we're really in is a trade war.

01:28:57.000 And this is the one, like, really digging critique you can make of Trump, is he thought he could just renegotiate trade deals and not Disrupt the geopolitical order because trade deals are diplomatic deals and he saw it himself, right?

01:29:12.000 All of a sudden China's broke and they can't pay for something So he had to give them some deal in order for them to have the money to pay off something else And now it's like their their economy's crumbling, you know, you had the default and everything.

01:29:26.000 So what we're really seeing is the entire geopolitical order is starting to crumble and it needs to reset and Not the great reset, but it needs to reset.

01:29:37.000 And it's something I called out earlier today.

01:29:39.000 I think if we prevail, you're going to have a lot of billionaires bankrupt or in prison by 2030.

01:29:44.000 What do you mean we prevail?

01:29:48.000 What is that exactly?

01:29:49.000 The new media people, the Elon Musk.

01:29:52.000 You know, Elon Musk is like the future and I don't mean that as a suck-up.

01:29:55.000 I mean like he realizes what are the new technologies, what are the new trends where we can really go into the next generation, into 2050.

01:30:03.000 Like he believes global warming is real but he has like concrete engineering ways to actually get past it.

01:30:09.000 He believes in nuclear whatever.

01:30:11.000 Whereas you have this old guard, which is like the WEF people who honestly believe like genocide is how you stop global warming.

01:30:19.000 Like it's like you ever saw a movie Moonraker with with the James Bond movie Moonraker?

01:30:25.000 It's like humanity's poisoning the planet. 1.00

01:30:27.000 I have to kill them all and repopulate the planet. 0.99

01:30:30.000 I mean, it's yeah pretty much like Kingsman as well here. 0.94

01:30:35.000 Do you want to you want to switch it to my camera real quick?

01:30:36.000 I can try and see if What the heck is this?

01:30:39.000 The scene was removed.

01:30:40.000 That's what happened.

01:30:41.000 So it accidentally got deleted.

01:30:42.000 We've been using it successfully all evening.

01:30:46.000 So it's not there.

01:30:47.000 We can't re-edit while we're currently live.

01:30:49.000 Regarding climate change, you can pull the carbon dioxide out of the air and deposit it onto carbon palladium.

01:30:54.000 Not out of the air, out of the water.

01:30:57.000 And this is fascinating.

01:30:58.000 If you make water acidic, It will bubble up the carbon dioxide and water as we know from soda water is a great dissolver of carbon dioxide.

01:31:10.000 So what you do, and they're starting to do this, explore with naval ships so they can produce their own fuel,

01:31:18.000 is they pump in seawater, they separate it into acid, they make part acidic, part alkaline seawater.

01:31:26.000 The acidic seawater bubbles up the carbon dioxide, and then they can synthesize that carbon dioxide

01:31:33.000 back into fuel, it's called syn-fuel.

01:31:35.000 And the kicker is, it costs about $3 a gallon manufacture it.

01:31:41.000 You've got a carbon negative way of manufacturing gasoline.

01:31:46.000 You could solve the whole world fuel problem and global warming at the same time.

01:31:52.000 What'll happen is we'll start competing with the trees.

01:31:54.000 We'll be pulling so much carbon out of the water and the air that... Right, exactly.

01:31:58.000 We'll have to calibrate to keep it at 350.

01:32:02.000 Is this a theoretical technology or this exists?

01:32:04.000 This exists and there's papers in it.

01:32:06.000 I was reading about it.

01:32:10.000 It's only a matter of scaling it to be cheap enough.

01:32:14.000 They said you can do this on a naval aircraft carrier for about $3 a gallon.

01:32:20.000 If you did it on the shore, you could probably get it cheaper because you don't have to make everything portable or whatever.

01:32:26.000 But the idea is just in the naval situation, then you don't have to constantly go fuel up at port.

01:32:32.000 You could be out your aircraft carrier indefinitely like a nuclear submarine or something.

01:32:37.000 There's also a technology called microfragmentation that you can do with coral, where you take coral, you shatter it into a bunch of different pieces and you set them all near each other.

01:32:46.000 And then they all start to grow together.

01:32:48.000 To regrow coral reefs or to build new ones on other planets.

01:32:51.000 The technology with iron fertilization to regrow the plankton in the oceans.

01:32:54.000 We're there to heal the earth.

01:32:56.000 We're pulling the plastic out.

01:32:57.000 Absolutely.

01:32:58.000 There's so much tech out there.

01:33:00.000 And that's what bugs me is like all of this global warming stuff that our government is talking about.

01:33:04.000 It's all just pork.

01:33:05.000 None of it is actually.

01:33:06.000 It's like a Chernobyl on a global warming level.

01:33:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:10.000 Like it's just going to be another ecological disaster if our government does what they want to do.

01:33:15.000 It's like the government's job is just to stop corporations from going crazy, not to act like a corporation.

01:33:15.000 It's interesting.

01:33:21.000 Well, now that I fixed the camera, it's working again.

01:33:25.000 Let's go to super chats.

01:33:27.000 So, uh, for those that are wondering what happened is we have, uh, we use, we use OBS and for some reason the main video feed just stopped working.

01:33:38.000 So actually.

01:33:40.000 So strange.

01:33:41.000 Yeah, so I might need to remove one of them, but I don't know which one is the one to remove now.

01:33:45.000 Let's do that later.

01:33:47.000 Well, I don't want the audio... I've been tweeting the SynFuel thing at Elon Musk.

01:33:51.000 I hope he catches up on that.

01:33:52.000 Yeah, let's talk more about it.

01:33:53.000 Syn, S-Y-N, Fuel?

01:33:54.000 Yeah.

01:33:56.000 Yeah, there's another one called Blue Crude, which is pretty promising.

01:33:59.000 I think they get that from the air.

01:34:00.000 I could be wrong about that.

01:34:01.000 All right.

01:34:02.000 We're going to go to Super Chats.

01:34:03.000 I think it should be working now.

01:34:05.000 And that was very strange.

01:34:07.000 But these bugs happen when you're using open source software.

01:34:11.000 Perhaps with your support as members over at TimCast.com, we'll be able to afford better broadcasting software.

01:34:18.000 Not with me on the payroll, you know.

01:34:20.000 So actually, I will say, we have the new studio being built.

01:34:23.000 The foundation's done.

01:34:24.000 They're going to be erecting a steel building.

01:34:28.000 It's got 25-foot walls, 31 feet in the middle.

01:34:32.000 We're going to be building this really incredible studio.

01:34:35.000 It's going to have all these fun activities.

01:34:38.000 The plan right now is we are going to hybridize our workspace in the studio.

01:34:43.000 We'll be fully skatable.

01:34:45.000 So we're going to have a bar where you can have drinks, fully made of skate materials, grinding, whatever.

01:34:51.000 It's going to be the most hilarious looking work environment ever.

01:34:54.000 Cubicles, grind all of them. 0.99

01:34:56.000 It's going to be fantastic.

01:34:57.000 It's going to be really great.

01:34:58.000 I'm having trouble visualizing this.

01:35:00.000 Yeah, we're going to have a stage and you're going to be able to lift up the platform and it's a foam pit for doing flips and stuff.

01:35:06.000 That's awesome.

01:35:07.000 Yeah, we're gonna have this really cool space where there's gonna be music and events, and we have a bar.

01:35:12.000 People are gonna be working and editing.

01:35:13.000 We're gonna be setting up music studios, container buildings.

01:35:16.000 We got a bunch of really crazy ideas that's currently underway.

01:35:19.000 And with the new studio means, we're gonna be upgrading our equipment.

01:35:22.000 So, I'll put it that way.

01:35:25.000 OBS should not have bugged out like that, but sometimes these things happen, and it is what it is.

01:35:30.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com and become a member, and I'll tell you why!

01:35:37.000 We're gonna have a members only segment coming up around 11 or so p.m.

01:35:40.000 We do that Monday through Thursday as a member.

01:35:42.000 You get access to these segments, but you'll also get something else.

01:35:46.000 We just hired another amazing journalist.

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01:35:57.000 We do need to get on our social posting game more so with the articles, the news articles we do, because we've kind of slacked on that.

01:36:05.000 But the other thing we'll do is I believe I have a billboard going up tomorrow at 9 a.m.

01:36:12.000 in Times Square with the help of The Daily Wire.

01:36:15.000 It may be It may be rejected, so we'll see, because there's rules about how you can do billboard buys.

01:36:23.000 It can't be an advertisement if you're using other people's likenesses or something like that.

01:36:27.000 But it basically just calls out the Washington Post for lying, and it's very simple.

01:36:30.000 It says, hey, Taylor Lorenz did this.

01:36:33.000 That's it.

01:36:34.000 We're pushing back on their attempted gaslighting.

01:36:37.000 And we're going to do a lot more stuff like that.

01:36:38.000 So when you super chat or when you become a member, rest assured, We are going to be fighting the fight.

01:36:45.000 Now, some people have asked, with the Robbie Starbuck thing, why don't we get substantially more involved?

01:36:51.000 There are rules and laws around politics.

01:36:54.000 I don't know how to engage with that, but the GOP booting Robbie Starbuck off the ballot, I think, is the most corrupt and dirty thing we've seen in a long time.

01:37:01.000 There's been a lot of corruption in politics.

01:37:03.000 That is as dirty as it comes.

01:37:05.000 As to how we can do anything about it, you gotta run into weird election laws and things like that.

01:37:10.000 So that's where it's more legally challenging. Everything is legally challenging.

01:37:13.000 A lot of people...

01:37:13.000 Spinoff of political 501c4.

01:37:16.000 And there's still like rules and stuff as to how it's managed.

01:37:20.000 Absolutely.

01:37:21.000 Get a good accountant.

01:37:22.000 All right, everybody, let's go to Super Chats.

01:37:25.000 All right.

01:37:26.000 H-Bomb says, Hey, Ron, your Santa Monica boxing wants a shout out from you and my Korean brother.

01:37:31.000 That's Harold Gim.

01:37:34.000 I spar with him sometimes.

01:37:36.000 Great guy.

01:37:37.000 Oh, cool.

01:37:38.000 All right.

01:37:38.000 He's one of those Californians who moved to Texas.

01:37:42.000 America floats says Twitter might get based again, which would bring about dark MAGA Twitter.

01:37:47.000 I want to see it So I saw some people saying no light MAGA Trump is the is bringing the light to save people and he's gonna illuminate or something like that Dark Maga's got its own problems.

01:37:58.000 You know, I mean, it's like the issue of Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:38:01.000 I support what she does.

01:38:03.000 I hate what they're doing to her.

01:38:05.000 Her politics aren't going to work in California. 1.00

01:38:08.000 I mean, she's great for Georgia. 0.87

01:38:08.000 You know? 0.87

01:38:10.000 She's great for the people she represents.

01:38:11.000 Not going to work in California.

01:38:13.000 And that's a big thing we're trying to work on.

01:38:16.000 California Republicans, we have our own messaging.

01:38:19.000 We have our own issues.

01:38:21.000 All right.

01:38:22.000 Bronson Martin says, if Elon won't sit down with Timcast IRL, would he consider an interview with Roberto Jr.

01:38:28.000 on Chicken City?

01:38:29.000 Also acceptable.

01:38:30.000 If Elon just walked into the chicken coop and started explaining all of his ideas to the chickens, I would absolutely accept that.

01:38:36.000 It would probably make more money.

01:38:37.000 Yeah.

01:38:38.000 It would certainly get more superchats. 0.54

01:38:38.000 Yeah. 0.54

01:38:39.000 I mean, there'd be a chicken party like every two seconds Elon Musk wouldn't be able to get a word in.

01:38:43.000 Well, a chicken party only triggers once every five minutes.

01:38:46.000 Oh, so even if you continually donate the maximum amount.

01:38:49.000 Yeah, so this actually happened.

01:38:50.000 Two people gave a hundred bucks.

01:38:52.000 But the way the algorithm works is that if the threshold is hit, it will wait.

01:38:57.000 It's on a five minute cycle, then checks.

01:38:59.000 Has the threshold been hit?

01:39:01.000 So if it hits twice, it's just one hit.

01:39:02.000 It's kind of like ordering songs on the jukebox.

01:39:05.000 You just got to get queued up.

01:39:06.000 Right, right.

01:39:08.000 All right.

01:39:10.000 Joe Byrne says, this is for the billboard. 0.99

01:39:13.000 Give him hell, you guys. 0.99

01:39:14.000 P.S. 0.98

01:39:14.000 Is there any chance of adding showgirls to Chicken City? 0.98

01:39:18.000 You mean like the hens?

01:39:20.000 Chicken City has a bunch of young chicks. 0.80

01:39:24.000 Naked.

01:39:24.000 That's right.

01:39:25.000 Because chickens don't wear clothes. 1.00

01:39:27.000 But Joe burns 50 bucks towards the billboard.

01:39:31.000 So we'll see what happens.

01:39:33.000 I will be really excited to see the billboard going up.

01:39:36.000 I'm not in New York, but someone will be there, I suppose, to film it.

01:39:39.000 And I'm sure people will be tweeting about it.

01:39:40.000 So if you live in New York, look out for it.

01:39:42.000 I don't know where it will be.

01:39:44.000 Shout out to Jeremy Boring and the Daily Wire guys for helping organize all of this.

01:39:48.000 But when I tweeted, I was like, should I buy a billboard in Times Square saying Taylor Lorenz doxed libs of TikTok?

01:39:55.000 If they owned it, I wouldn't care that much.

01:39:57.000 I'd be like, yeah, of course they did it.

01:39:58.000 It's the gaslighting that really bothers me.

01:40:00.000 And it deserves a proper rebuttal.

01:40:02.000 So Jeremy Boring responded, I'm in for half.

01:40:04.000 And I was like, all right, let's do it.

01:40:07.000 That's great.

01:40:08.000 You're going to make that poor, sad, dark place a little bit brighter.

01:40:11.000 I suppose.

01:40:12.000 But we have to say something.

01:40:13.000 We have to do things to be like, dude, stop lying to people.

01:40:16.000 Yeah, it's just they're just lying to people.

01:40:18.000 I wonder if they're gonna have Snopes fact check your billboard. 1.00

01:40:21.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:40:21.000 Did they really?

01:40:22.000 So you have to stop terrorizing people.

01:40:25.000 I mean, look, this was an act of terrorism.

01:40:27.000 I know we overuse that word, but the point was to terrorize the libs of TikTok from operating.

01:40:35.000 They're gonna call this an act of terrorism, though.

01:40:37.000 I'm sure somebody will.

01:40:38.000 Oh, of course.

01:40:38.000 They got mad when Tucker Carlson talked about her.

01:40:42.000 Look, I got nothing to say other than Taylor Lorenz doxxed libs of TikTok.

01:40:45.000 And let's not forget who employs her, which is, you know, Washington Post and Jeff Bezos.

01:40:50.000 I mean, you know, Taylor Lorenz is a relatively young woman, and if you attack her directly, she'll claim, oh, they're attacking me.

01:40:58.000 Well, I'm not saying anything.

01:40:59.000 She's 50.

01:40:59.000 But, you know, she's got a chain of... No.

01:41:01.000 Yeah, that's the... She's not. 0.98

01:41:02.000 She's an ageless vampire. 1.00

01:41:03.000 Oh, she lied about her age.

01:41:05.000 You don't know.

01:41:05.000 You go... No, no one ever... It's a meme to insult her because apparently they think calling them an old is offensive.

01:41:12.000 No, literally, I checked her age on Google two different times and Google gave me two different answers.

01:41:18.000 It's just really creepy.

01:41:19.000 It says she was born between 1984 and 1987.

01:41:21.000 There's one of my tweets that shows... How could I believe any of that?

01:41:25.000 It's one of my tweets that shows she was born 1978 in one tweet and born in 1984 on another tweet.

01:41:31.000 That's because people are screwing with her because they're trying to insult her.

01:41:35.000 I am not playing that game. 0.98

01:41:37.000 I am pissed off about ideological issues and about liars in the media. 0.99

01:41:41.000 I think it's stupid for people to be tweeting that she's old because she's not. 0.99

01:41:45.000 Yeah, but she's lying about her age. 0.99

01:41:46.000 She's not! 1.00

01:41:47.000 She's not! 1.00

01:41:48.000 This is what I can't stand right now about so many people. 1.00

01:41:51.000 They're tweeting stupid, insulting memes that do nothing but discredit the fact that this person doxxed somebody. 0.99

01:41:56.000 I'm not gonna sit here and have an argument about someone's age to try and insult somebody. 1.00

01:41:59.000 It's about her credibility.

01:42:00.000 The issue is they're lying about her age.

01:42:02.000 It's about her credibility.

01:42:03.000 She didn't say this!

01:42:05.000 I agree with you.

01:42:05.000 And I'm trying to cut through the fact that now the conversation has turned into, did she lie about being old?

01:42:11.000 No, it's immaterial. 0.93

01:42:13.000 What happened was she doxxed someone, published their private home address, lied about it on CNN, and the Washington Post offended her, and stupid people are turning the argument as, let's make fun of, they're turning the statement and the argument into making fun of someone about their age, which does nothing To convince regular people that the media has been pissing on us and telling us it's raining. 0.99

01:42:34.000 You want to go have some stupid party where a bunch of frat guys bump their chest and make up lies about people? 0.99

01:42:39.000 Go do it. 1.00

01:42:39.000 I'm sick of the lies. 1.00

01:42:41.000 Be it someone saying she's 49 when she's not, or her lying to the public about what's going on in the media. 0.98

01:42:47.000 Let's just call out the liars.

01:42:48.000 I don't care where they're coming from. No, but my my three and my whole point is she's got 0.75

01:42:53.000 employers that want her to do this that pay her to do this that defend her when she does that. 0.99

01:42:58.000 That means there is a chain of culpability going all the way up to Washington Post owner,

01:43:04.000 which is Jeff Bezos. That's my problem. And she lied. And I would like to call her out.

01:43:10.000 And what I would like to not do is give people fuel in this stupid argument about 1.00

01:43:16.000 all they do is harass and make up lies. I don't care about her age. Her age doesn't matter. 1.00

01:43:21.000 She could be 10 years old. She could be 30 years old. If she's in the Washington Post

01:43:24.000 and lying and they get a child to do it, I will say the child is lying. Right.

01:43:28.000 She is an adult journalist who has posted, she has publicly lied on CNN, so we're getting a billboard to say, she did this thing.

01:43:36.000 That's it.

01:43:37.000 All right, let's read some more Super Chats.

01:43:39.000 Eric Miller says, Tim, you talked about doing this before, but why don't you hire some protesters to protest the removing of Robbie Starbuck from the ballot in downtown Nashville?

01:43:48.000 As much as that really pisses me off as well, there are legal issues with that.

01:43:52.000 I suppose, as a person, I could just do it.

01:43:56.000 But there are issues with hiring people.

01:43:58.000 If you have a problem with what happened to Robbie Starbuck and you're in Tennessee, go join the local Republican group.

01:44:06.000 Start your own PAC.

01:44:07.000 Collect your own money and do it.

01:44:09.000 There are plenty of ways to do it.

01:44:13.000 Alright.

01:44:14.000 Adrian Contreras says you're wrong about normal folks needing heroes, Tim.

01:44:18.000 Elon, The Daily Wire, or you guys have the means to fight the fight at this point.

01:44:22.000 Every great army needs generals.

01:44:24.000 Kinda deal.

01:44:25.000 I agree!

01:44:26.000 And so, uh, we will, uh, get a billboard.

01:44:29.000 I'm not entirely convinced it's the most powerful thing.

01:44:33.000 What I think ultimately will happen is it will generate what's called earned press, meaning it's going to force many of these people.

01:44:42.000 I think journalists will take the bait.

01:44:43.000 They're going to be like, look what they're doing.

01:44:45.000 They're going to talk about it.

01:44:46.000 But more importantly, a regular person who sees that might be like, I wonder what that's all about.

01:44:52.000 And that's all that really matters.

01:44:53.000 Maybe they don't know too much, maybe it's esoteric, and then maybe one day they hear someone say something and they'll say, oh yeah, I saw that thing in Times Square that said they doxed this person.

01:45:02.000 There you go.

01:45:02.000 Is there a link on the ad to go to Tim?

01:45:05.000 No.

01:45:06.000 And also, I think it's really important for people to understand this.

01:45:08.000 When they tell lies, oftentimes they don't even try to come up with an explanation for why their lie is true.

01:45:13.000 They're not interested in convincing you.

01:45:15.000 They just want to repeat it over and over again so that other people start thinking it's true and saying it.

01:45:19.000 And so similarly, when we counter them with the truth, sometimes that's our best strategy.

01:45:23.000 Explain it if they ask you, but you just have to let people know that you are bold enough to tell the truth so they feel comfortable repeating it as well.

01:45:29.000 One thing that really frustrates me is when, you know, I'm talking to someone... Well, it's one thing when I'm talking to someone and they will make things up outright.

01:45:39.000 Like, okay, we're done. 0.87

01:45:41.000 It's really annoying, though, when I'm talking to, like, a leftist or something, and then they rebut with something stupid that has trended among libertarians or right-wing personalities or post-liberals that's not true. 0.97

01:45:53.000 And I just wonder, like, why do they fall for this stuff? 0.99

01:45:56.000 Stop playing these games.

01:45:57.000 Stick to the facts.

01:45:59.000 You know what I really can't stand? 0.98

01:46:01.000 On YouTube, this genre of smack-talking people for dumb things. 1.00

01:46:06.000 So it's like, this political host talked about this issue and he's fat and ugly. 0.98

01:46:11.000 I mean, people do it to Cenk Uygur all the time. 0.91

01:46:12.000 And I'm like, wow, that's really convinced my boomer family members to vote for Trump.

01:46:17.000 Right.

01:46:18.000 How about I just talk about how Trump had no new wars, had historic peace agreements in Europe and in the Middle East, and we had a booming economy, and I can leave the weird insulting of people out of this.

01:46:29.000 That's easy to do.

01:46:30.000 It's that simple.

01:46:32.000 Yep, it's lowbrow, and actually, I'd be willing to bet that political operatives who are aligned with the establishment, be it Republican or Democrat, know one of the most powerful ways to discredit a movement is to get them involved in drama.

01:46:47.000 You get someone to start arguing about someone's age, or looks, or appearance, and they're no longer arguing about issues that actually matter to regular folks.

01:46:54.000 I'm not arguing about her age, I'm telling people that she lied about her age on Twitter.

01:46:58.000 She tells people...

01:47:01.000 April 12th.

01:47:02.000 Can we get some Oprah lighting in the studio next time I'm really showing my 43 years of age on screen?

01:47:06.000 I think it's like an ongoing joke with her, but she's lying to people about her age, whether it's a joke or not.

01:47:11.000 I mean, I agree with Tim.

01:47:12.000 That's not relevant.

01:47:13.000 You know, the fact that she's getting paid to lie about people and terrorize people out of the public square. 1.00

01:47:19.000 All right.

01:47:20.000 Richie Taylor says, Tim, you're wrong.

01:47:22.000 Elon can't be blocked all the way to the ISP level.

01:47:25.000 Elon thought this through at the infrastructure level.

01:47:27.000 Tesla and Starlink don't need AWS.

01:47:31.000 That's a massive undertaking.

01:47:33.000 I mean, Twitter is what's called the firehose, and there is such a massive stream of data coming through at any given moment.

01:47:40.000 He's going to need some powerful infrastructure for that if he's going to be doing it on his own.

01:47:43.000 So maybe he can.

01:47:44.000 Maybe he can.

01:47:44.000 That stuff's cheaper than you think.

01:47:48.000 Yeah, but I just mean the Twitter firehose is going to be hefty.

01:47:52.000 That's massive.

01:47:53.000 There's videos and there's photos in there.

01:47:55.000 WhackedOut1 says, I have the right to protect my customers regardless of the point.

01:48:00.000 Bouncer101.

01:48:02.000 Well that's true.

01:48:03.000 So a lot of people don't seem to understand when I was talking about how a business can't kick certain people out.

01:48:10.000 I'm not saying they should or shouldn't or anything like that.

01:48:12.000 I'm saying quite literally what we see in the law is someone will file a lawsuit and claim they were kicked out for a certain reason or denied services for a certain reason and they often win.

01:48:21.000 Not always.

01:48:22.000 We talk about lawfare on this show, right?

01:48:24.000 I mean, a lot of this is just lawfare tactics by activists, right?

01:48:28.000 I mean, the two guys suing the baker, you know, for not baking the cake, they were funded by some powerful people.

01:48:38.000 You know same thing with a homeless situation in LA is what I keep saying the people who are ostensibly homeless in LA they they're very well backed legally and financially by activist lawyers and they go and make sure the city does everything by the book or the city gets sued for like violating their rights.

01:48:58.000 And it's to make a point, right?

01:49:00.000 Which is that if you don't pass our, you know, upzoning laws, government housing laws, whatever, you're going to keep seeing people camped out in all your favorite parks and boulevards.

01:49:13.000 All right.

01:49:14.000 Doughboy Johnson says, should any publicly traded company be sued for fiduciary reasons when they go woke and stock falls?

01:49:20.000 Yes.

01:49:22.000 Good luck winning.

01:49:23.000 Anybody can sue anybody at any time for any reason.

01:49:26.000 But if Twitter says we're going to deny money for climate- we're gonna deny climate change ads, they should be sued.

01:49:31.000 Granted, right now Twitter's sold, so it won't really matter.

01:49:35.000 But if, uh, Starbucks.

01:49:38.000 They announced we're no longer- you know, when they announced the bathroom thing.

01:49:42.000 Like, we're gonna allow people to use the bathrooms.

01:49:44.000 Shareholders should've sued.

01:49:46.000 And been like, that's going to cost all of us money, and you're doing it for no legitimate reason.

01:49:51.000 Now they can argue.

01:49:53.000 Our customers were outraged.

01:49:55.000 And then you can argue back.

01:49:56.000 A small spattering of activists on Twitter do not a customer make.

01:50:00.000 So Twitter, I think, could potentially lose that one.

01:50:03.000 But that goes back to this whole ESG thing where all these companies claim they need to follow ESG guidelines in order to stay in business.

01:50:11.000 And the fact is, if they don't, they don't get funding from the banks.

01:50:15.000 So they should be sued?

01:50:17.000 I don't see why we should say, oh, poor corporations, the banks are being mean to you.

01:50:21.000 I'm saying good luck winning it.

01:50:23.000 It would be an interesting lawsuit for sure.

01:50:25.000 Why do you think you couldn't win?

01:50:28.000 I'm not a lawyer.

01:50:29.000 I'm just, that's my hunch.

01:50:31.000 Yeah.

01:50:31.000 Like if a company like Twitter rejecting ads over climate change, I think is a clearly losing issue outright.

01:50:39.000 Granted it's immaterial now that Elon bought it, but to be like, we're not going to take money from potential customers because we don't like their ads is telling the shareholders there's money.

01:50:49.000 We could get it, but we personally have an issue.

01:50:52.000 You can sue Facebook.

01:50:52.000 Okay.

01:50:53.000 Facebook doesn't do those kinds of ads either.

01:50:56.000 Absolutely.

01:50:57.000 Now the question with pro-life climate change they banned, that would be interesting.

01:51:02.000 The thing about pro-life stuff is they have an argument about offensive or shocking materials, and they can say, well, we would lose, people would get outraged if they saw offensive stuff in their feed.

01:51:12.000 But there's still an argument of they could take this money and provide it in a certain way to only certain users that have opted in.

01:51:21.000 They could, you know, anyway, to the point of climate change, climate change is not objectionable outside of politics.

01:51:28.000 There's actually an interesting case study with tobacco companies cigarette packs where they wanted to show gruesome images of like lung cancer and stuff like that and the courts ruled that the tobacco companies were not required to put that kind of shocking imagery on their own products.

01:51:46.000 Well, that was the state trying to pass a law saying they had to do it.

01:51:49.000 They wanted to force their companies to show really gruesome things.

01:51:53.000 And so, that's different.

01:51:55.000 If Facebook says, for political reasons we have banned these set of ads, there's no threat to their bottom line.

01:52:04.000 I don't know.

01:52:04.000 I don't necessarily agree with the argument that you could sue a company for denying advertisement.

01:52:09.000 If you're a shareholder.

01:52:10.000 But the reason is because it doesn't mean that a company's job is to take every piece of money they can get at every time.

01:52:15.000 They have to be judicial about when and where they take their funds.

01:52:18.000 Which is my point.

01:52:19.000 When it comes to the pro-life issue, they'd be able to make some arguments on that one and maybe win.

01:52:23.000 When it comes to climate change, they would be denying money for their personal politics.

01:52:29.000 That's it.

01:52:29.000 Right.

01:52:30.000 Because it's not even like, you know, an issue of, you know, global warming is settled or whatever.

01:52:35.000 But even just like you can't even debate the right way to go about it.

01:52:39.000 Like you and I are sitting here discussing interesting new technologies and, you know, mocking Germany for putting solar panels in the subarctic latitude.

01:52:50.000 You know?

01:52:51.000 Is that not allowed on Facebook?

01:52:52.000 Right, because if there's two doctors and they each have an advertisement but this one's a little bit better in your opinion, you choose that ad but not this ad, I don't think they should sue the people for it.

01:53:01.000 Just because you like the other ad better.

01:53:04.000 Companies have responsibility to their shareholders to make money.

01:53:07.000 It makes sense if they say these ads would offend people and cost us users and hurt us in the long run.

01:53:12.000 Good luck suing on that grounds.

01:53:13.000 If they say climate change, we won't allow any ads that defy consents on climate change, they have no argument.

01:53:20.000 They'll say, our left-wing users would get mad.

01:53:23.000 And then it's like, okay, well the current ads you do run make your right-wing users mad.

01:53:26.000 You have no argument.

01:53:27.000 There's nothing objectionable in showing a picture of a tree and saying climate change this that or otherwise.

01:53:32.000 You've chosen a political stance on this and have kicked money back for personal reasons.

01:53:35.000 You're costing your shareholders money.

01:53:38.000 Shareholders should revolt.

01:53:40.000 I think their argument is they're worried Barack Obama would get mad and start passing legislation against them.

01:53:46.000 Alright, Matt Kelly says, This money is for the billboard in Times Square.

01:53:49.000 I love the idea.

01:53:50.000 If there's any left over, use it to pay for the booze that Lauren Southern drank. 1.00

01:53:54.000 Let me just say, the billboard is already taken care of.

01:53:57.000 And, assuming it's approved, we'll have it.

01:54:00.000 But, um, any, any, if you become a member or any money you give, we will use for more things like that.

01:54:05.000 So, I don't know, we'll do more billboards.

01:54:08.000 I'm a jury's out on billboards for me.

01:54:10.000 I feel like it's a, you spend a hundred grand to go turn on a digit.

01:54:14.000 They have this digital billboard.

01:54:15.000 They can just turn on your cartoon and then turn it off, cost them nothing.

01:54:18.000 You give them a hundred grand and then 7,000 people see it.

01:54:21.000 No one clicks on anything.

01:54:22.000 They don't seem like good returns these days.

01:54:24.000 It depends on what you're doing and how you do it.

01:54:26.000 You need a multi-pronged approach.

01:54:28.000 There's a rule of seven points of contact in advertising.

01:54:31.000 Somebody has to see your ad like in seven different ways before they start recognizing your brand.

01:54:36.000 So six more to go, Tim.

01:54:38.000 Well, the issue is, are you good at marketing?

01:54:41.000 Buying a billboard and saying, I bought a billboard, why isn't it working?

01:54:46.000 Just means you're bad at marketing.

01:54:48.000 buying So we have this really great idea for a Chicken City commercial that we're doing for Tucker Carlson, and the general idea is we want to make it be like, what is it?

01:54:59.000 What movie is that?

01:55:00.000 I can't think of the name.

01:55:01.000 So there's a rich guy who wants to plow Chicken City to build a parking lot.

01:55:05.000 Oh my gosh.

01:55:05.000 And so he gets the city inspector to, uh, he files complaints over the chicken, constant chicken parties.

01:55:11.000 And the inspector comes in.

01:55:12.000 He's like, I don't know chickens.

01:55:12.000 There's too many parties.

01:55:14.000 And then, you know, the chickens have to team up. 0.81

01:55:16.000 And then eventually the city inspector gives up and says, there's no point in fighting it.

01:55:20.000 This is the future.

01:55:21.000 And then the old man is like, all right.

01:55:23.000 Well, I think it was like Electric Boogaloo or whatever.

01:55:27.000 I feel like they've made more than one film like this.

01:55:29.000 There was one about owls when I was a kid.

01:55:31.000 It was called Hoot.

01:55:33.000 There's like a little owl habitat that they're gonna bulldoze, the evil capitalist people.

01:55:37.000 Or Goonies. 0.54

01:55:39.000 No, no, no.

01:55:39.000 Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

01:55:41.000 The old trope of the rich guy who wants to, you know... One crazy summer.

01:55:47.000 I think it's Electric Boogaloo or whatever.

01:55:49.000 What's that movie called?

01:55:50.000 I've never seen that.

01:55:51.000 Yeah, he wants to tear down the community center to put up a shopping center or something like that.

01:55:55.000 It's like, how many times are you going to see this story?

01:55:56.000 Oh no, that was the dance-off, wasn't it?

01:55:58.000 Electric Boogaloo or something.

01:55:59.000 It's like evil capitalist wants to take things everyone loves and knows is good to make money.

01:56:06.000 And then, so we're gonna do a 30 second movie trailer, and part of it is gonna be like, if people give $5, they can feed the chickens, and once we get $100, we'll have a chicken party, and then we'll raise enough money to save Chicken City!

01:56:16.000 Dude, I can't wait for them to make a derivative film from that concept about Elon Musk buying Twitter, like the evil capitalist, like he made this sweet, rare bird habitat!

01:56:27.000 We should make that one too.

01:56:28.000 People can't tweet anymore!

01:56:30.000 There's so many stories that are just begging to be told and all it takes is the right production company to tell them.

01:56:36.000 You could take over the James Bond franchise.

01:56:39.000 James Bond to me, for example, is an allegory to talk about current events, like the current political situation.

01:56:45.000 And you have your rhetorical devices like the spy and the Bond girl and the villain and all that.

01:56:52.000 That'd be cool.

01:56:53.000 A Bond movie about global warming would be cool.

01:56:55.000 But it doesn't have to be Bond.

01:56:56.000 or Russia, you know, or 80s Taliban or global warming and the environmental movement.

01:57:03.000 Right. Cool. A Bond movie about global warming would be cool, but doesn't have to be Bond,

01:57:07.000 just like a spy movie about global warming. Well, that's what I'm saying.

01:57:10.000 It's like Moonraker.

01:57:11.000 It's like this guy thinks we're destroying the planet.

01:57:14.000 Oh, it's been done.

01:57:15.000 Yeah.

01:57:16.000 Is that with Jaws?

01:57:16.000 Was that Moonraker?

01:57:17.000 Yeah.

01:57:18.000 Jaws.

01:57:19.000 And the space shuttle.

01:57:20.000 They fly in a space shuttle to the space station with the guy.

01:57:25.000 They sneak onto the freaking space station with the space shuttle. 0.97

01:57:32.000 It's been done. 0.89

01:57:33.000 I was a big fan of Goldeneye.

01:57:34.000 Did you ever watch that one?

01:57:36.000 It's been so long.

01:57:37.000 I played Goldeneye on N64.

01:57:39.000 Alex Trevelyan?

01:57:40.000 Yeah, I never saw any of the films from that era.

01:57:43.000 Oh yeah, someone just tweeted, mentioned, this is Joel Boy.

01:57:48.000 Malice just tweeted that he's meeting Elon.

01:57:51.000 What's that?

01:57:52.000 Yeah, Michael Malice did tweet.

01:57:54.000 He says, I have accepted a meeting with Elon Musk about the future of Twitter, free speech, and social media in general. 1.00

01:57:58.000 Hey, Michael Malice, unblock me, you jerk. 0.99

01:58:01.000 Oh, snap. 0.99

01:58:01.000 So I tweeted at Michael, Michael, have Elon come on the show with you. 0.99

01:58:06.000 Yes.

01:58:06.000 And then I'll ask Jack Dorsey as well.

01:58:09.000 And we'll just, you know, just kind of talk about stuff.

01:58:11.000 Do like a long episode.

01:58:12.000 That would be so much fun.

01:58:13.000 Oh my god, Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk in the same room, man.

01:58:16.000 That spark's flying right there.

01:58:18.000 Yep.

01:58:20.000 All right.

01:58:21.000 Final sixth warning says, Tim just nailed it.

01:58:24.000 The culture wars are the ruling class's wet dream, keeping us all distracted with infighting while they have their way with all of us.

01:58:29.000 Left versus right is the minor leagues.

01:58:32.000 It is the minor leagues.

01:58:33.000 And so there's that famous quote that's basically like, do you guys remember it? 1.00

01:58:37.000 It's, you know, stupid people talk about people. 0.99

01:58:40.000 Oh yeah, it's Eleanor Roosevelt quote. 1.00

01:58:43.000 Simple minds talk about people.

01:58:44.000 Mediocre minds talk about events.

01:58:47.000 Great minds talk about ideas.

01:58:49.000 Right.

01:58:50.000 So we do a little bit of all of that because you have to, because people have effects and their ideas.

01:58:55.000 But I think the most important thing is, you know, we are mediocre minds here talking about events all day.

01:58:59.000 But on top of that, we talk about the ideas behind them.

01:59:02.000 I can't take credit for this observation, but it should be pointed out that that quote is in fact talking about people.

01:59:07.000 I haven't thought about this.

01:59:09.000 The culture war is that it's inverted from a hot war, and that if you fight in the culture war, you lose.

01:59:14.000 But if you create, you win.

01:59:16.000 I will tell you that if you want to fight for a cause, you're going to be fighting with people.

01:59:22.000 You know, people get into politics thinking, I believe in this and that.

01:59:26.000 And then they get smeared because their opponents have a political vested interest in stopping that.

01:59:33.000 So like I said, when it comes to like our police department or upzoning, you got definite people who are pushing for

01:59:39.000 that.

01:59:39.000 And if you fight them, if you disagree with them on any of their agenda, they'll come and smear you.

01:59:45.000 People were like, because I said, if you fight this in the culture where you lose on it, that's how they get you to lose is to get you to fight them.

01:59:51.000 But you create know what isn't creating a form of fighting.

01:59:54.000 No, creating is creating.

01:59:55.000 You might consider it a form of competition to create something better than what they have, but fighting them is different than creating something new.

02:00:02.000 Right, no, you fight them by going around them.

02:00:05.000 We've got breaking news.

02:00:07.000 Michael Malice tweeted that he accepted this meeting.

02:00:09.000 I responded, ask him to come on TimCast IRL with you, to which Michael responded, he wants to blaze it with Ian Crossland.

02:00:16.000 Badass.

02:00:17.000 All right.

02:00:18.000 Let's get fired up, boys and ladies. 1.00

02:00:20.000 Actually, no, in all seriousness, Michael, if you are listening or we'll tweet at you,

02:00:26.000 Ian, having experience with Minds.com and moderation and all that stuff I think would

02:00:30.000 be very beneficial in this context, too.

02:00:32.000 So even if the only thing that happens is Ian ends up talking to Elon a little bit about

02:00:36.000 your experience with Minds decentralization.

02:00:38.000 Yeah, the jury system.

02:00:40.000 You brought that up before the show and in forms of moderation, relying on Elon to have to do that's going to make him frustrated and a lot of enemies.

02:00:45.000 But if you create a jury system in the site where the site, the people using it can modify and moderate together as a cohesive decentralized unit, that's a good tactic.

02:00:54.000 We'll talk more about it.

02:00:55.000 So Minds did this.

02:00:56.000 It's actually really simple.

02:00:58.000 It's trying to create the same standards we have in civil life.

02:01:03.000 A jury system.

02:01:04.000 If you're accused of doing wrong, then a jury of your peers will review the evidence and determine whether or not they agree with the charges against you.

02:01:11.000 Instead of having some nebulous organization behind the scenes deciding who or what is worthy of being banned, if someone breaks the rules, then people can be selected for jury duty.

02:01:22.000 They can then opt in and it will be like, hey, you may see violent imagery, you may see things you may not like, this is a warning, you can say no.

02:01:30.000 Some people might then choose, okay, show me what this person did.

02:01:33.000 They'll say, here's what they said or posted.

02:01:35.000 Does it break the rules?

02:01:36.000 And the jury can then issue their vote.

02:01:38.000 And then we'd have to figure out, was it like a two-thirds vote or a unanimous vote?

02:01:42.000 Sure.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, that's all to be determined.

02:01:43.000 That's this kind of thing that admins can talk about that's fun.

02:01:46.000 And do you think... Oh, you go.

02:01:48.000 No, that's an interesting feature with Birdwatch that they could expand on.

02:01:52.000 You know, I'm actually a Birdwatch contributor where you can put a note on somebody's tweet to say whether it's misleading or not.

02:01:59.000 And then you rate other notes on that tweet.

02:02:01.000 to say whether those notes on the Twitter are helpful or not. So, you know, you get a lot of

02:02:07.000 people who say that's false. And this person's a poopy head and the Putin apologists are like,

02:02:12.000 this is not helpful. You know, so that helps. I think, yeah. 0.74

02:02:17.000 I think yeah, too, man.

02:02:19.000 We're going there.

02:02:20.000 Let's do this.

02:02:21.000 All right, everybody.

02:02:21.000 No, I think Twitter does make some kind of reasonable effort to moderate conversations for the better and have algorithms that rate whether people want to see your stuff or not.

02:02:31.000 The problem is it just gets human override way too much based on, like, way too many passive-aggressive, you know, feelings about specific people.

02:02:41.000 I think any algorithm or code to determine what people want or don't want is wrong and should be removed.

02:02:50.000 Or at least made transparent.

02:02:51.000 It needs to be transparent.

02:02:52.000 I think it's a good thing.

02:02:53.000 And then you can remove it if you want.

02:02:55.000 If you want an opt-in system, like Twitter has the algorithmic feed, the home, or the chronological feed, I think that's fine.

02:03:01.000 But anytime someone says, we're going to try and determine what people like, they end up censoring people and it makes things bad.

02:03:07.000 There needs to be an opportunity for people with crazy ideas to express them.

02:03:11.000 You can't just get rid of it because most, 51% of people say Trump is bad.

02:03:15.000 Oh, now Trump's gone.

02:03:16.000 No, we can't do that.

02:03:16.000 Anyway, my friends, if you haven't, people are saying Malice is trolling.

02:03:20.000 I know he's trolling.

02:03:21.000 I don't care.

02:03:22.000 Michael!

02:03:23.000 Tell Elon to blaze it with Ian Crosland.

02:03:26.000 Come on the show, and I'll see if Jack's interested.

02:03:30.000 I don't know if he can or would be, but we'll try and make something really, really cool happen.

02:03:34.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show if you really do like it.

02:03:38.000 We are trying to spread the values of personal responsibility and freedom.

02:03:43.000 I suppose it's all right-wing these days, but I don't think it is.

02:03:45.000 I think those are just core tenets of good behavior.

02:03:48.000 What can't I shout out?

02:03:49.000 smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, head over to TimCast.com.

02:03:52.000 We're gonna have a members only segment coming up and we'll have that for you around 11 or so PM.

02:03:58.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL, you can follow me at TimCast.

02:04:01.000 Ron, do you wanna shout anything out?

02:04:03.000 What can't I shout out?

02:04:05.000 I don't know, I mean, you know, there's something I wanted to talk to you about for a while

02:04:12.000 is just how, you know, we got new media, new stories that are just begging to be told.

02:04:17.000 I wrote this book, Inferno Los Angeles, InfernoLosAngeles.com.

02:04:22.000 It's a story, Dante's Inferno, based in the modern world.

02:04:26.000 I think these stories need to be told.

02:04:28.000 I hope you say more of those.

02:04:31.000 You start producing stories like that.

02:04:33.000 We got a new book coming out soon.

02:04:35.000 We got Tales from the Inverted World, the first one.

02:04:37.000 We got the new Ghosts of the Civil War coming out soon.

02:04:40.000 We're really excited for this, so we'll see.

02:04:42.000 Yeah, I'm really excited about a new generation of stories, because this old media, they're just committing suicide.

02:04:47.000 Nobody wants to watch their stuff.

02:04:49.000 Right on.

02:04:50.000 Ian, let's write a joint autobiography.

02:04:52.000 A joint?

02:04:52.000 One chapter of your life, one chapter of my life, boom.

02:04:54.000 As long as there's a joint involved, yeah.

02:04:56.000 It's good fun.

02:04:57.000 Do I get the joint?

02:04:59.000 I am Seamus.

02:05:00.000 I make YouTube cartoons on a channel called Freedom Tunes.

02:05:02.000 You guys can see that just by typing Freedom Tunes into YouTube.

02:05:04.000 We're gonna be releasing a video on Thursday.

02:05:07.000 I think y'all will enjoy it.

02:05:09.000 I'll write a joint book with you called The Light and the Dark and it's just like toggle between our consciousnesses and like, it'll seem almost like psychotic.

02:05:16.000 Are you familiar with, they call this in art school, it's an exercise called the exquisite corpse where you see like, so basically in art you see where the other person's lines were and try to draw based on that.

02:05:25.000 But it's like you see the last sentence someone wrote in a long story and you try to pick it up from there and it never makes sense.

02:05:30.000 That could be a funny thing.

02:05:31.000 All right.

02:05:31.000 Perfect for us then.

02:05:32.000 That's great for me.

02:05:34.000 Bye guys.

02:05:34.000 Ian Crossland.

02:05:35.000 Catch you later.

02:05:36.000 Ron Grissi.

02:05:36.000 I want to shout out your Twitter before We rolled.

02:05:38.000 It was, what is it again?

02:05:39.000 Ron for California, the number four.

02:05:41.000 That's right.

02:05:42.000 All right, guys.

02:05:43.000 I'll catch you all tomorrow.

02:05:44.000 See you later.

02:05:45.000 Take care, guys.

02:05:45.000 Thank you.

02:05:46.000 Thank you guys for tuning in.

02:05:46.000 As always, I really like, I wanted to point out Ron's awesome shirt.

02:05:50.000 I think it has Hulu on it.

02:05:52.000 Yes.

02:05:52.000 So cool.

02:05:52.000 I was loving it before the show.

02:05:53.000 I was looking at it really closely.

02:05:55.000 It looked a little bit like a funky leaf, but I just wanted to check.

02:05:58.000 It's not.

02:05:58.000 It's way cooler.

02:05:59.000 It's not.

02:06:00.000 Anyway, you guys may follow me on Twitter at sarahpatchlids as well as mines.com and at sarahpatchlids.me.

02:06:06.000 We will see you all over at TimCast.com.

02:06:09.000 Thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 26, 2022

Timcast IRL - Elon Musk BOUGHT Twitter, Deal Is Done And The Left Is OUTRAGED w-Ron Bassilian

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