Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Elon Musk Is PISSED At Report Of Bill Gates Funding Smears w-Eron Wolf & Ian Mason

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:32.000 you recently Breitbart released a report showing that much of

00:00:58.000 the non-profits that were going after Elon Musk criticizing his

00:01:02.000 attempt buying Twitter were funded by Bill Gates Elon Musk was already very critical of Bill Gates, even posting a meme of him as the pregnant man emoji, and we all had a laugh.

00:01:13.000 But now he's responded to the story, saying, sigh.

00:01:17.000 I don't know exactly what that means other than Elon knows about it, but this resulted in Breitbart trending earlier today on Twitter because Elon responding to it has elevated this story.

00:01:27.000 And there's something interesting here because there's like some kind of yin-yang, good versus evil, Elon versus Gates thing going on where Elon Musk is like, hey, we need more people.

00:01:36.000 Like, you need more people on this planet to sustain and develop and grow, and population is declining.

00:01:43.000 These are bad things.

00:01:44.000 And free speech, the people should have a right, should have freedom.

00:01:47.000 And then Bill Gates is exactly the opposite, saying we need to reduce population and free speech is bad, issuing a statement saying he's going to muck things up on Twitter.

00:01:56.000 So this is actually a really interesting story that gets to the heart of this.

00:02:00.000 I mean, you've got two billionaires basically at war in the greater culture war.

00:02:05.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:02:05.000 We got a couple other stories.

00:02:07.000 Democrats have won an appeal to a federal court allowing them to now pursue disqualifying Republicans from being able to run for office under the 14th Amendment.

00:02:19.000 So there was a ruling saying you can't use the 14th Amendment to disqualify Republicans because of this clemency bill that happened in 1872.

00:02:27.000 And a federal court said, no, that's not true.

00:02:29.000 If you today, after the Civil War, insurrect, you can be barred from running for office.

00:02:35.000 So, it doesn't mean anybody's been found to be insurrecting against the United States, but you've already got many Democrats saying anyone who voted not to certify the election in 2020 committed insurrection.

00:02:47.000 So, this is where they're going.

00:02:48.000 They can't win the election, so they're going for lawfare, which says to me that all of this is just pushing us ever closer from civil strife into some kind of civil war.

00:02:57.000 And don't don't take my word for it.

00:02:58.000 Robert Reich wrote an article where he explained that, you know, it's not going to be a civil war.

00:03:02.000 It's going to be a peaceful divorce that people will just slowly start going to other places.

00:03:07.000 The red, you know, red voters will go to red states and blue voters to blue states.

00:03:10.000 And it's funny because that's kind of exactly what was happening with the first civil war.

00:03:14.000 So we'll talk about all that stuff.

00:03:15.000 We'll talk about tech oligarchy and censorship and joining us to talk about this today.

00:03:20.000 Actually, we have two Ians, but our first guest, Aaron Wolf.

00:03:24.000 Hi there.

00:03:24.000 I'm Aaron Wolfe.

00:03:25.000 I'm working on tech freedom.

00:03:28.000 Do you want a little bit about your background?

00:03:29.000 Maybe you can point the microphone just like trying to aim it at your mouth.

00:03:34.000 There we go.

00:03:35.000 There you go.

00:03:35.000 All right.

00:03:36.000 What do you do?

00:03:37.000 So I'm a programmer.

00:03:38.000 I dropped out of grad school in 97 to go work at Yahoo.

00:03:44.000 Basically spent 18 years in Silicon Valley.

00:03:48.000 Going with the flow for the most part, but also kind of being an obnoxious dissenter a lot of the times, too.

00:03:58.000 By 20, I basically worked for five years at Yahoo, did random gigs and nonsense, invested in WhatsApp, doubled my money several times, investing in big tech and kind of At a certain point, I decided I needed to do what I dropped out of grad school for, which is create good software.

00:04:26.000 So I'm trying to do what I can to kind of facilitate good software to be created.

00:04:33.000 And I don't see any of the big tech giants doing that now.

00:04:36.000 They're actually conspiring to make our software worse in many different ways.

00:04:41.000 Censorship kind of is the biggest right now.

00:04:45.000 And you're involved with Minds.com.

00:04:46.000 Yes, one of the first things I did is investinminds.com.

00:04:49.000 So I helped them, you know, keep going.

00:04:51.000 They're doing great work, you know, with an open source social network.

00:04:56.000 Very, very focused on freedom of speech.

00:04:59.000 Right on, right on.

00:04:59.000 And we also have another Ian.

00:05:01.000 Hey.

00:05:02.000 I'm Ian Mason.

00:05:03.000 I'm helping Aaron build FUDO.

00:05:04.000 I moved to Austin to do that.

00:05:06.000 Yeah, I mean, his mission just attracted me.

00:05:11.000 The Internet and the tech world as we had it for twenty, twenty-five years there created so much.

00:05:16.000 It democratized speech.

00:05:19.000 It gave people access to information like they'd never had before.

00:05:23.000 I mean, this show couldn't possibly be happening without that sort of The freewheeling spirit of the tech world prior to maybe 10 years ago.

00:05:33.000 And if we're going to preserve that, I think it can't just be done through politics.

00:05:36.000 It has to be done through technological means.

00:05:38.000 And that's what I feel like Aaron's mission is.

00:05:40.000 And I'm here to help him.

00:05:41.000 So as we talk about big tech censorship and the tech oligarchs and all that stuff, you mentioned FUTO, right?

00:05:48.000 So this is what you guys are working on.

00:05:49.000 What is it?

00:05:50.000 Just so people get a general idea of like what your mission is and what's the background.

00:05:54.000 So FUTO is an organization where Basically spending a lot of money trying to do whatever we can to chip away at the power that the tech oligopoly has.

00:06:06.000 So we're going to be funding people with grant programs, get them coding, get people coding, get people to quit their jobs at Google and Facebook.

00:06:16.000 There's a lot of people at those companies who hate those companies, but they don't know if there's anything else they can do that's interesting even.

00:06:25.000 Yeah.

00:06:25.000 So, uh, you know, Project Veritas is often telling people, be brave, you know, let us know if these things are going on.

00:06:30.000 But a lot of people feel like if they do, they're, they're, they're gonna be destitute.

00:06:33.000 They're not gonna have anywhere to go.

00:06:34.000 They're not gonna be able to work anywhere.

00:06:36.000 So I think people need to understand there's, there's other places to be where you can work or there's, at least you guys are encouraging them to get away from that and build something new and unique.

00:06:44.000 So we will talk about that.

00:06:46.000 That's going to be interesting.

00:06:46.000 We also have Original Ian.

00:06:48.000 What up, everybody?

00:06:49.000 Yeah, it's great that we're talking about Bill Gates because a lot about this, you know, we talked about the locking down of the tech industry in the early 80s.

00:06:56.000 He's kind of notorious for taking, I think it was Unix code and correct me if I'm wrong.

00:06:59.000 Maybe you guys could tell the story better than I could.

00:07:02.000 He bought MS-DOS from another company and basically worked with IBM to kind of dominate.

00:07:09.000 With Intel.

00:07:10.000 It was called Wintel in those days.

00:07:12.000 And he took free software and then made it private?

00:07:14.000 Or took open source code and then privatized it?

00:07:17.000 I don't know if it was open source, but it was, you know.

00:07:21.000 I don't think it was open source.

00:07:22.000 I think it was proprietary.

00:07:22.000 He bought it and then, you know, distributed it.

00:07:24.000 I remember Richard Stallman, you know, just all about the open source community, free software.

00:07:29.000 He's the guy that wrote AGPL 3 and stuff.

00:07:31.000 I mean, the worst thing that Bill Gates did is he I'm also here pushing buttons in the corner.

00:07:37.000 from ever getting a decent market share.

00:07:41.000 We should save this.

00:07:42.000 Yeah, this is hot.

00:07:43.000 We can concentrate all of the rats and Bill Gates in one nice position.

00:07:47.000 Yeah.

00:07:48.000 All right.

00:07:49.000 I'm also here pushing buttons in the corner.

00:07:50.000 I'm sure I will be overwhelmed by all the tech terms in this show, so please pray for

00:07:54.000 my button pushing skills.

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00:08:50.000 Billionaires at war.

00:08:51.000 Elon Musk deepens feud with Bill Gates by touting article claiming the Microsoft mogul poured millions into dark money fund targeting him.

00:09:00.000 That is dastardly!

00:09:02.000 But before we show anything, I want to show you this.

00:09:05.000 Elon Musk posting the pregnant man emoji next to a photo of Bill Gates.

00:09:10.000 So here's the funny thing.

00:09:12.000 He posted this April 22nd and it shows, you know, Bill Gates.

00:09:15.000 It's the haircuts the same.

00:09:17.000 You know, there's no wearing glasses, but he's got a big belly and a blue shirt.

00:09:21.000 And you just need to understand that Elon posted this.

00:09:25.000 Bill Gates had already been funding these groups.

00:09:27.000 Now, here's the crazy thing.

00:09:28.000 Apparently, Bill Gates reached out to Elon Musk about donating or some kind of philanthropy, but was running a 500, I think it was 500 million, right?

00:09:37.000 $500 million short against Tesla.

00:09:39.000 And Elon's like, I'm doing the most for climate change, and you're trying to short my position?

00:09:43.000 I don't trust you.

00:09:44.000 So they've kind of been going at it.

00:09:46.000 The one thing I want to reiterate for this, as we start this segment, is that Elon is a guy who said, we need more people.

00:09:52.000 You know, you need more people to sustain this civilization and this planet, to colonize other planets and all of that stuff.

00:09:58.000 And people should have free speech, should have, you know, the right to use these platforms and speak and all that stuff.

00:10:02.000 Bill Gates is the opposite.

00:10:03.000 He says, we need less people, there's too many!

00:10:05.000 And people shouldn't have that free speech.

00:10:07.000 That's really interesting.

00:10:08.000 We have these two billionaire factions going at each other.

00:10:11.000 So, in this story, the report came out that Bill Gates poured millions of dollars into dark money fund attacking Elon Musk.

00:10:19.000 He responded with, sigh.

00:10:21.000 That's it.

00:10:22.000 But it does say a lot.

00:10:24.000 As soon as Elon acknowledged Breitbart, what ends up happening is Breitbart begins trending on Twitter.

00:10:31.000 Every, every blue check journalist starts claiming, oh, Breitbart is fake news.

00:10:35.000 You don't trust it.

00:10:35.000 And now they're trying to claim, you know, once again, like, oh, Elon Musk, he's far right or whatever.

00:10:40.000 I think this just goes to show that there are efforts to silence us from very powerful interests, whether you like Breitbart or not.

00:10:49.000 Bill Gates absolutely is funding NGOs.

00:10:51.000 Many of these big corporations we see, we just saw State Farm, I think.

00:10:55.000 What's State Farm?

00:10:55.000 They had this thing where they were sending LGBTQ stuff for kids.

00:10:59.000 All of this stuff is happening behind the scenes.

00:11:01.000 All of these groups are opposed to free speech.

00:11:05.000 So what happens next?

00:11:08.000 What do you guys think?

00:11:08.000 I think that we double down on the U.S.

00:11:10.000 Constitution, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

00:11:12.000 Yeah.

00:11:12.000 I mean, to me, Bill Gates embodies kind of the tech elitism that I fled when I left Silicon Valley.

00:11:19.000 It very much is this very pompous attitude that, you know, If we allow these people to think for themselves, they're going to give us bad results. 1.00

00:11:31.000 And it is just like, they're so stupid. 1.00

00:11:32.000 We have to take care of them. 1.00

00:11:33.000 It's very much like they're our pets, almost.

00:11:37.000 I don't feel like Bill Gates is evil, but he doesn't trust the everyday person to kind of make their own decisions, read information, read Alex Jones, or watch Alex Jones, right?

00:11:49.000 Watch all these things and come to their own conclusions.

00:11:52.000 Whereas Elon Musk does seem to be, to some degree, fighting for the more common man, fighting for free speech.

00:12:03.000 He's not saying only elites should have children.

00:12:05.000 He's saying we should all have more children, things like that.

00:12:08.000 Well, he actually had a tweet earlier, he said, I think this was today, right?

00:12:11.000 He said most rich people he knows, most people he knows have like one or two kids.

00:12:15.000 Yes.

00:12:15.000 Or, no, it's like one or none, right?

00:12:17.000 Yeah.

00:12:17.000 And then he's got eight.

00:12:18.000 True.

00:12:19.000 He has eight kids.

00:12:20.000 Yeah.

00:12:20.000 There's a lot of kids.

00:12:21.000 Octodad. 0.63

00:12:22.000 Octodad. 0.63

00:12:22.000 Indeed. 0.63

00:12:23.000 That's a lot of kids.

00:12:24.000 Yeah, I mean, that is rampant in Silicon Valley, this belief.

00:12:28.000 And I think it was big in the 70s, too, just like, There's too many kids, like, a lot of them think that there should be licenses to have kids.

00:12:37.000 They don't even have kids! 0.99

00:12:39.000 Yeah, they don't have kids themselves.

00:12:40.000 You're right. 1.00

00:12:41.000 I mean, I gotta say, haven't you ever encountered someone that was just so stupid? 1.00

00:12:45.000 You were like, you know what, Bill Gates is right. 1.00

00:12:48.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:12:49.000 But it's, you know, you've got to believe in freedom.

00:12:54.000 I mean, for me, I believe in freedom first.

00:12:58.000 Maybe you see that person and think that, but then who's going to work at the licensing office, right?

00:13:01.000 Maybe that guy.

00:13:05.000 When I think about how they founded the U.S.

00:13:07.000 government, it was kind of like an elitist.

00:13:09.000 They had an elite.

00:13:10.000 They were like, we can't trust the common man to govern themselves, so we're going to create a Congress to do it for them just in case.

00:13:16.000 No, that is the common man.

00:13:18.000 Well, it's a representative of the common man.

00:13:20.000 Do you think they're the most intelligent among them?

00:13:22.000 I mean, what were they going to do?

00:13:23.000 They weren't going to do a direct democracy.

00:13:24.000 Because that doesn't work.

00:13:25.000 Mobs are dangerous. 1.00

00:13:27.000 But before the United States, it was a king who ruled by decree.

00:13:31.000 And it was just like, do as you're told.

00:13:32.000 Pay your taxes.

00:13:33.000 And they were like, we just want representation.

00:13:35.000 They're like, no.

00:13:35.000 I think with social media, when you get like what they call fake news or like misinformation, disinformation, it's the mob mentality that's dangerous.

00:13:42.000 If a piece of bad information goes out and then everyone shares it, or if 50 million people share it, it's kind of like democracy in action.

00:13:48.000 And I get, I see the danger in it.

00:13:50.000 Yeah, no, bad things can happen.

00:13:52.000 I mean, there was a problem where some Indian village or we've been told there was an Indian village that started like murdering tourists because there was some like superstition about tourists that spread on WhatsApp.

00:14:04.000 Like, but at the end of the day, Yeah, it's a double-edged sword.

00:14:11.000 I'm going to be on the side of freedom.

00:14:13.000 They have this utopian view of everything, saying like, there's a problem happening, we can solve it.

00:14:20.000 You can't solve it.

00:14:21.000 You can't.

00:14:22.000 And we're witnessing this with all of the big tech stuff.

00:14:26.000 They try banning memes.

00:14:28.000 And then what happens?

00:14:29.000 They end up banning random people on accident and banning a bunch of regular people.

00:14:33.000 The famous moment was when the editor-in-chief of the Daily Caller got banned for referencing hashtag Learn to Code.

00:14:39.000 Because they created an automated system saying, okay, anybody saying Learn to Code, you gotta ban them.

00:14:43.000 Why? 0.55

00:14:44.000 They're a bunch of whiny- Like, you know what it really feels like? 0.89

00:14:47.000 They're a bunch of- They're like the class president, you know? 0.96

00:14:50.000 They're snooty and elitist, and they're angry that everyone's laughing and having fun, and they're like, STOP!

00:14:55.000 HAVING FUN IS NOT ALLOWED!

00:14:57.000 And so they're just like, TELL THE ALGORITHM TO BAN ANYBODY WHO SAYS LEARN TO CODE! 0.86

00:14:59.000 And that's a really bad idea.

00:15:01.000 Here's a really great example.

00:15:02.000 Remember when the CEO of Reddit went to the Donald and manually changed the comments from Donald users because he was mad at them? 1.00

00:15:10.000 Talk about a whiny, Pathetic loser. 0.99

00:15:15.000 Someone said mean words. 1.00

00:15:17.000 So he went into the Reddit database and changed what they said. 0.99

00:15:21.000 Yeah, that guy's just a loser. 0.99

00:15:22.000 Sad. 1.00

00:15:23.000 What a loser. 1.00

00:15:24.000 And he's got how much money? 1.00

00:15:25.000 See, this is the problem.

00:15:26.000 This is why I agree.

00:15:27.000 We can't be like, we need licensing and we need to restrict free speech. 0.93

00:15:31.000 Because then you get losers like that in charge of the system, which you have now. 0.95

00:15:35.000 And they flex their muscles thinking, I should be in charge. 1.00

00:15:38.000 And then they do petty garbage like that. 1.00

00:15:41.000 How sad. 0.96

00:15:42.000 My biggest takeaway from the Breitbart piece as well is that so many of those arguments are made in bad faith, which I think is what you're getting at.

00:15:49.000 The same people who are now saying, we don't want this purchase, they have ties to Bill Gates or they have ties to other industry people.

00:15:57.000 The same people who before this saga were saying, actually there is no censorship.

00:16:02.000 everything is just moderation and all that.

00:16:04.000 When Elon says he's maybe gonna buy this, suddenly there is censorship, and not only is it real,

00:16:10.000 it's actually essential that it continue for our democracy to continue to function.

00:16:14.000 And in all cases, these arguments are, they were bad faith arguments before,

00:16:18.000 and they're being revised.

00:16:20.000 I understand local censorship.

00:16:22.000 Like, uh, in your house, it's your rules.

00:16:24.000 And if the kids speak up out of turn, you know, it's your house, they follow your law.

00:16:27.000 That's your, your censoring.

00:16:29.000 But top down censorship doesn't work.

00:16:31.000 Doesn't seem to work.

00:16:32.000 Not, I mean, not really, not really.

00:16:35.000 Well, I guess you have like sedition laws and stuff.

00:16:37.000 Parents and kids and small, you know, private homes is one thing.

00:16:41.000 It's like, it's my house.

00:16:42.000 If somebody comes over and they act up, I'm gonna be like, bro, you can leave.

00:16:45.000 It's my house.

00:16:46.000 Now, that's the argument we see from a lot of Democrats.

00:16:49.000 Like, it's a private company.

00:16:50.000 And I'm just like, yeah, who controls the common space?

00:16:53.000 Where adults are all trying to discuss with each other.

00:16:55.000 There is no super parent.

00:16:57.000 There's no like, you know, after you're a hundred years old, you elevate to a higher authority of adult.

00:17:04.000 No, no, no.

00:17:05.000 We're all adults.

00:17:06.000 We all have thoughts and opinions.

00:17:07.000 We all have rights.

00:17:08.000 And we're going to argue those things.

00:17:10.000 They think they shouldn't have to argue at all.

00:17:12.000 They think they should just be able to stamp you out.

00:17:15.000 And a good example is what's happening with this lawsuit.

00:17:17.000 Democrats are trying to disqualify Republicans.

00:17:19.000 Instead of saying, I'm going to stand in front of the common people and tell them my thoughts and my plans, I'm going to go to the judge and say, He shouldn't be allowed to run for office.

00:17:29.000 Come on, Judge, ban him. 1.00

00:17:31.000 Because they can't win.

00:17:31.000 They don't want to actually play by the rules.

00:17:33.000 They're whiny, pathetic losers. 1.00

00:17:34.000 What have you guys found is the most resilient, I guess, resistance towards this stuff at this point? 1.00

00:17:41.000 In what fashion?

00:17:41.000 Well, like, the best tech you could build to circumvent censorship or, like, censorship that's gone too far.

00:17:50.000 Well, are you talking about like what are the biggest hurdles that we have to overcome?

00:17:54.000 I mean, I would say like it's gotten way worse with the app stores with with iPhone totally locking down their computer.

00:18:01.000 It used to be that you could program whatever you wanted and your friends could install it.

00:18:06.000 And now Apple approves what you can do.

00:18:10.000 And they'll even like take you off of the store if your buttons and you know, if Steve Jobs's corpse doesn't like where your button is, you can get removed from the store.

00:18:21.000 For real?

00:18:21.000 They'll remove stuff for design?

00:18:22.000 Yes.

00:18:23.000 Really?

00:18:24.000 What's an example of that?

00:18:25.000 Well, they have very strict guidelines for their design.

00:18:36.000 So my company that I helped start in 2014, we got removed because it wasn't quite for design.

00:18:44.000 And it wasn't really removed.

00:18:46.000 It was just we couldn't upgrade it.

00:18:47.000 And it was because They weren't happy that we were allowing people... We kind of looked like we had a list of games.

00:18:57.000 They were like, oh, well, you have a list of games in your app.

00:18:59.000 That's kind of our job.

00:19:01.000 We have the list of games on our thing.

00:19:03.000 So, like, we might be competing too much with Apple.

00:19:08.000 And then they said we couldn't upgrade until we made it feel like it was less of a list of games and more like a chat app.

00:19:17.000 They said, it's OK if you have a chat app.

00:19:19.000 It's not OK if you have a list of games.

00:19:21.000 Yeah, Roblox is on the Apple App Store and it is, that's the exact thing, it's a list of games.

00:19:26.000 They call them experiences.

00:19:28.000 Right, so you probably deal with this with YouTube all the time.

00:19:32.000 Their guidelines are always shifting, right?

00:19:34.000 So they kind of have this gray area where they can operate in and they can enforce things in an irregular fashion.

00:19:44.000 Absolutely have like people at Facebook who, you know, Facebook gets to do what they want way more than like a smaller developer gets to do what they want.

00:19:55.000 And like, if you're an open source developer trying to create like, you know, something federated like Matrix or something, it's even harder.

00:20:00.000 When you're looking at F-Droid, whenever I think about like open source app stores, I think of F-Droid.

00:20:05.000 Is that good?

00:20:06.000 Or is it dangerous?

00:20:06.000 Or what's the deal?

00:20:07.000 I mean, they would say it's dangerous.

00:20:09.000 I think it's great.

00:20:10.000 Like, I want more people using, you know, the open source, they're called the, they're basically operating systems based on the Android open source project, which, you know, people have So, yeah, you can install Graphene OS or Lineage OS and install F-Droid and kind of get whatever apps you want.

00:20:32.000 But this is, you know, for the average person, they have no idea what you just said, to be honest.

00:20:36.000 You know, what's F-Droid?

00:20:37.000 What is Graphene?

00:20:38.000 And that's kind of... I agree.

00:20:40.000 That's one of the things that we really want to focus on with FUTO, too, is educating people about their options and also making them better.

00:20:47.000 I mean, we have to admit that The oligopoly is doing a great job at building these things.

00:20:53.000 It's very easy.

00:20:54.000 The product is really good.

00:20:56.000 That's the first problem with the tech oligopoly.

00:20:59.000 Yes.

00:21:00.000 The App Store, I think, is one thing that's often overlooked in the discussion about free speech, because that's probably the most important.

00:21:07.000 We all saw Gab get pulled from the App Store and banned, and then they have to find alternative means to getting back on the App Store.

00:21:14.000 One of the funniest things I think they did was they created a clone of the Fediverse app.

00:21:20.000 There's no website, it's just a shell.

00:21:24.000 Then you plug in where you want to go, and oh, it can boot up.

00:21:28.000 You know, Gab's servers, that got banned too.

00:21:32.000 And they were like, it's a clone.

00:21:33.000 I think it was a clone of Mastodon or something.

00:21:35.000 And so it was like, why was that?

00:21:36.000 It wasn't a clone of Mastodon.

00:21:37.000 I think it was a clone of Fediverse.

00:21:39.000 So for those that aren't familiar with what this means, it's like a web browser.

00:21:42.000 It's like they ban your website, so you launch your own web browser, and then they ban your web browser, and it's just that.

00:21:50.000 That's how insane the control of these two app stores really is.

00:21:54.000 Maybe there's something there.

00:21:55.000 I mean, you know, Bill Gates got hit for antitrust for, what, putting Internet Explorer on all these Windows machines?

00:22:00.000 Is that what happened?

00:22:01.000 Yeah, that was in the late 90s when Netscape was dominating the browser market.

00:22:07.000 If you want to talk about Bill Gates, the first thing he did before that even happened, before the internet even got big, I believe it was Dell was trying to sell PCs with Linux pre-installed instead of Windows.

00:22:21.000 So Linux would have had a decent market share and gotten a lot more momentum than it got as a desktop operating system.

00:22:27.000 What Bill Gates did is he basically He did some sort of deal.

00:22:32.000 I don't know the details precisely, but it was something about like, unless you're exclusive Microsoft Windows on your PCs that you're shipping, you're going to pay a lot more per license.

00:22:46.000 So Dell would pay like, you know, five bucks a license or something for Windows.

00:22:52.000 And it would have been 10 bucks or something if they had kept selling Linux machines.

00:22:56.000 So Linux is awesome.

00:22:59.000 For those that aren't familiar, it's an open source free operating system that works really, really well.

00:23:05.000 I guess because it's Linux, most people would recognize it because it's similar to Mac OS, right?

00:23:12.000 Yeah, Mac OS was derived from a Unix.

00:23:15.000 It was derived more from FreeBSD, which is Unix.

00:23:18.000 Hard to tell the difference, really.

00:23:20.000 But so, you know, for all of you out there who use Mac, you might easily understand what Linux is.

00:23:27.000 I think a lot of big chain stores use Linux for their terminals for like self-checkout and stuff because it's free and they don't have to pay licenses.

00:23:36.000 But it's really amazing.

00:23:37.000 I didn't know that story that Bill Gates basically shut that down because imagine if we did not have Microsoft Windows as the dominant platform.

00:23:47.000 Imagine if it was a free open source technology and you get some Jerk.

00:23:54.000 Like Bill Gates who comes in and sticks his foot, you know, in the door and then stops that from happening so he can control that piece and now you have tech oligarchs.

00:24:01.000 Like him, specifically.

00:24:02.000 And now he's gone from just being some guy who's like, I think you should have my operating system instead to, there's too many people on this planet and we should have less people.

00:24:11.000 Tim, you bring up antitrust enforcement because that has played sort of a role as a final check here over the decades.

00:24:18.000 It took 10 years of practices like that before finally it was the Internet Explorer integration that finally did trigger that.

00:24:25.000 We've seen far less.

00:24:27.000 Antitrust has not provided an effective check in the last bit here on what I think most observers would say is at least somewhat anti-competitive practices among app stores and a hundred other things we could go into.

00:24:39.000 I think that the fact is we need something like FUDO because antitrust is not going to handle it on its own.

00:24:45.000 There are things that are inherent in the system as it exists now that are anti-competitive.

00:24:50.000 I mean, down to the engineers themselves.

00:24:53.000 The model of Silicon Valley now is to lock up talented engineers within four or five or six companies forever.

00:25:00.000 Not based particularly on their output, but based on the fact that them being there prevents viable alternatives from coming into existence. 0.98

00:25:07.000 Now, Steve Jobs, I hear he was kind of a dick as well. 0.71

00:25:10.000 Was that the case? 0.99

00:25:12.000 I mean, sure.

00:25:14.000 Yeah.

00:25:14.000 I mean, I would say like one quality that like, you know, all these oligarchs, the trait that they have in common is they're, they're all kind of, Steve Jobs is maybe special, but it's like, if you look at like someone like Mark Zuckerberg, they're mediocre, above average programmers, right?

00:25:31.000 Maybe they're, you know, top 10% programmers, but what the trait they really have is they do like to control things.

00:25:36.000 So, like, Bill Gates was having a conniption when Dell was trying to sell Linux computers.

00:25:43.000 Mark Zuckerberg was having a conniption when he saw that, you know, tons of people were uploading photos to WhatsApp instead of Facebook.

00:25:50.000 Like, which, you know, within a couple of years that happened.

00:25:55.000 So, yeah.

00:25:56.000 So, Steve Jobs is the same thing.

00:25:58.000 Very, very, very, very controlling people.

00:26:00.000 Like Steve Jobs is like, you must have one.

00:26:03.000 I don't know if you remember, he insisted on one mouse button for a long time, even though there were so many people who wanted like two mouse buttons.

00:26:09.000 Well, there was the gag.

00:26:10.000 I think it was the Onion who made it where the new Mac was just instead of a keyboard, it was a wheel.

00:26:17.000 And if you wanted to type, you had to wheel to the letter and then press the button.

00:26:20.000 It's just simpler that way.

00:26:22.000 I couldn't stand Apple.

00:26:25.000 It's the same thing.

00:26:26.000 It's like these people want to control and extract as much as they can from everybody.

00:26:32.000 Now look, good business, good for them, I suppose.

00:26:34.000 But I remember my friends telling me that they were obligated by their professors to buy Mac, to use it for school or whatever.

00:26:41.000 And I'm like, that's five times more expensive for the same processing power.

00:26:45.000 They take, what is it, FreeBSD, you said?

00:26:47.000 They take a Unix system, they slap their logo on it, and then charge you money for it.

00:26:51.000 I mean, I'll give them a bit of a pass.

00:26:53.000 They did a lot of good work.

00:26:55.000 And honestly, in 2006, 2007, they were still a very small market share.

00:27:01.000 They actually did beat Microsoft by making it better.

00:27:04.000 So I'll give Steve Jobs a pass.

00:27:06.000 If you're the small guy and you're trying to control things, that's okay.

00:27:11.000 If you have your vision, your unified vision for a beautiful product, and you're at 10% market share, go at it.

00:27:18.000 As soon as you get to have too much power, like 50% market share and the only other player is also 50%, that's when you've got to step it back a bit.

00:27:28.000 For sure.

00:27:29.000 I suppose it's fair to say Steve Jobs never came out and said, there's too many people, so we've got to figure out how to reduce those numbers and population growth.

00:27:35.000 Because that's kind of a weird thing for a computer guy to say.

00:27:38.000 Oh, buying farms and stuff, yeah.

00:27:40.000 What the heck?

00:27:41.000 It kind of makes me think like, when you have a big network, you kind of want to see what the people want and then build the network to support that, as opposed to build a network that decides what the people are going to want.

00:27:53.000 But there's so many people that want so many different things, it becomes challenging, if not impossible, to support all those different ideas at once.

00:28:02.000 That might be what's stopping them from why they become so authoritarian in controlling the network.

00:28:07.000 But I haven't been in that position yet, so I'm not sure exactly what's causing it.

00:28:11.000 To rise to the position where you are running a company like Microsoft, you have to genuinely believe you're smarter and better than everybody.

00:28:19.000 So it's like if you take 100 people and you put them in a sieve and you shake it as hard as you can to see what falls out and what sticks, The people who hold on the tightest, you know, they're the ones who have that energy.

00:28:31.000 So naturally, the person who rises to the top at big, massive companies like this are the people who are like, I'm smarter, I'm better, everyone's got to do what I say.

00:28:39.000 That's why you end up with the Bill Gates.

00:28:41.000 And the collusion works.

00:28:42.000 I mean, the collusion works.

00:28:43.000 You're going to win if you're colluding.

00:28:45.000 Somebody who just wants to, you know, likes competition and wants, if they see a threat and they say, well, let's do better.

00:28:52.000 Like, let's view this as a friendly competition.

00:28:54.000 That person's going to lose to the colluders.

00:28:57.000 So it's, you know, it's kind of formed naturally, this monopoly in a lot of ways.

00:29:02.000 And I want to add one more thing to what I was just saying.

00:29:05.000 I was reading about how celebrities tend to be sociopaths. 0.89

00:29:08.000 They tend to be narcissists and egotistical, very arrogant. 0.82

00:29:11.000 And it's actually fairly simple as to why that is.

00:29:15.000 You have two people.

00:29:17.000 One person is very humble. 0.64

00:29:18.000 One person is narcissistic.

00:29:20.000 Which one's gonna get up on stage and shout out how beautiful and amazing they are?

00:29:23.000 It's gonna be the narcissist.

00:29:25.000 The humble person's gonna be like, well, you know, maybe it's not for me.

00:29:28.000 You're gonna have someone say, I'd like to audition for this role.

00:29:31.000 And they're gonna say, we don't know if you have it.

00:29:32.000 And they're gonna go, well, okay, you know, I'll try harder next time. 0.84

00:29:35.000 You get the arrogant narcissistic guy and he's gonna be like, no, no, no, no, you're wrong. 0.85

00:29:38.000 I am the best and I'm gonna prove it to you. 0.93

00:29:39.000 And they're like, this guy's got energy.

00:29:41.000 Those people are going to rise to the top. 0.68

00:29:43.000 And that's one of the challenges we face, I suppose, with the free market, is that snake oil salesmen, con artists, arrogant narcissists are the ones who end up gaining tons and tons of power.

00:29:53.000 And rarely do you find someone who doesn't have those qualities, but just does a really good job.

00:29:59.000 Or I should say, not rarely, but less often.

00:30:02.000 I mean, yeah, they get bored or they feel like they've accomplished something and they just want to go live their life.

00:30:09.000 They don't really care about controlling things and they've done their thing.

00:30:14.000 There are a lot of people, many people I follow on Twitter, for instance, and yeah, they do really well and they're like, well, you know, I did my thing and I don't want to be the boss.

00:30:22.000 I want to be in charge and they dip out.

00:30:24.000 It's like the killer instinct probably is what they call it.

00:30:27.000 It comes from our past hunting.

00:30:28.000 Like if you didn't have that killer instinct and you couldn't hunt properly, then you would die.

00:30:33.000 But the ones that could hunt and kill and then kill their opponents so that their village didn't get raided and murdered, then they survived.

00:30:41.000 So now there's this killer instinct in business, which is like, maybe we're doing it wrong.

00:30:46.000 That's why I'm doing free software anyway.

00:30:47.000 I think it's wrong.

00:30:48.000 I don't understand locking down all the money.

00:30:51.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:30:52.000 I always go back to culture is the most important.

00:30:55.000 If, as a culture, people were into open source and Linux and stuff, Bill Gates would lose all his power and he'd be like the Wicked Witch of the West Melting.

00:31:03.000 People adopting Linux across the board would be incredible for that reason.

00:31:06.000 We got to explain it.

00:31:07.000 You said Graphene OS.

00:31:08.000 So you get an Android phone, you flash Graphene OS onto it, which basically means you erase the operating system and reinstall a new one, which is an open source software called Graphene OS.

00:31:18.000 Right, right.

00:31:19.000 It's this guy Daniel McKay is doing Graphene OS and there's a few other groups doing similar things with the Android open source project.

00:31:29.000 So one, these things, we have to understand, we need to make these things better before we're going to get tens of millions of people using them, which is what I want there to be.

00:31:39.000 I want there to be hundreds of millions of people using software that is not locked down by the oligopoly.

00:31:46.000 How do you do it?

00:31:47.000 How do you flash a new software operating system on your phone?

00:31:51.000 I just did it.

00:31:52.000 It was not easy.

00:31:53.000 I bought the phone they told me to buy.

00:31:55.000 It turned out that it was locked down at some point in the history of the phone because it was refurbished.

00:32:01.000 So I had to get another phone.

00:32:05.000 You can go through the instructions at the Graphene OS site.

00:32:09.000 It's pretty straightforward.

00:32:12.000 Your grandmother could probably do it, or your mother-in-law could probably do it, if she has the right phone. 0.96

00:32:18.000 It's still going to not work as well as you want, though.

00:32:21.000 It's worth it.

00:32:22.000 I love it.

00:32:24.000 Most of the phones I've had throughout my life, except for iPhone, I can't stand iPhone, what I would always put on some either bare bones Android operating system, just gut all of the bloat and the garbage that they put into it, and then just get that base system, or using something like Graphene.

00:32:40.000 There's been a whole bunch throughout the history of Android that are just better, simpler, cleaner, safer, etc.

00:32:45.000 What are some problems with it?

00:32:46.000 You were saying that sometimes it doesn't work as good.

00:32:48.000 What's a problem with it?

00:32:49.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the problem.

00:32:51.000 I mean, do you have problems with like Uber working with your phones, Tim?

00:32:57.000 Does Uber work well with your phone?

00:32:58.000 I don't have Uber.

00:33:00.000 OK.

00:33:00.000 Yeah.

00:33:01.000 So some of these apps that people expect to work won't work.

00:33:04.000 Especially anything very notification heavy.

00:33:06.000 You know, those rely on Google's services to work well.

00:33:10.000 Right.

00:33:10.000 So is that a monopoly, Google's notification system?

00:33:14.000 It's not quite a monopoly, but it's one of these things that, as we like to say, the Google software is much more delightful, both for the user and the developer.

00:33:21.000 So there's a long way to come in that.

00:33:23.000 That's not a slight against Graphene or any of these other groups.

00:33:25.000 They're doing fantastic work.

00:33:27.000 I've been using Windows since 93 or 92, Windows 3.1, and it's because of video games.

00:33:32.000 I use Steam, and I couldn't game on Linux for like late 90s, early 2000s.

00:33:37.000 I mean, Valve is doing a lot of great work trying to make Linux work well for games.

00:33:41.000 And I think that, like, I'm a gamer.

00:33:43.000 Like, I started out doing games for Yahoo.

00:33:48.000 So I love what Valve's doing to try to make Linux better for games.

00:33:51.000 But it just does kind of hammer home how difficult this problem is that Valve is this super, super powerful... I consider them to be, like, one of the better companies that's kind of on the more independent side of things with Steam being so popular.

00:34:06.000 They have not been able to deliver a successful Linux product yet.

00:34:11.000 They're trying now with the Steam Deck.

00:34:13.000 Hopefully that works.

00:34:14.000 I want to jump to some current events from today and talk about the ramifications of this control and these oligarchs and where we're currently at.

00:34:21.000 Because it's a hard segue into more political stuff, but I think all of this is tied together in the culture war.

00:34:27.000 From TimCast.com, court rules anyone charged as an insurrectionist can be barred from political office.

00:34:33.000 The decision comes after North Carolina voters challenged Madison Cawthorn's re-election bid.

00:34:37.000 To put it simply, We thought that this was crushed because Democrats are basically trying to make it so that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Madison Cawthorn cannot run for re-election.

00:34:48.000 What ends up happening is a court says, because of this Clemency Act or whatever in 1872, you can't use this against people anymore.

00:34:55.000 Now a federal court says, now actually you can.

00:35:00.000 So one of the things we end up seeing from all of this manipulation and control on social media, they're trying to craft a narrative.

00:35:06.000 They've been trying as hard as possible.

00:35:07.000 Before free, you know, an open internet, before we all were, our culture developed on the internet, the big networks controlled everything.

00:35:17.000 If they said it, it was true. 0.99

00:35:19.000 And that's power.

00:35:21.000 The media has been desperately trying to claim that all of these Republicans are insurrectionists, simply because they voted not to certify election results, because they wanted an investigation, or who knows why they did it.

00:35:31.000 You also had, I think, half the states in a lawsuit against the other half of the states at one point, with Texas leading the charge, taking issue with how the election was handled in 2020.

00:35:40.000 Now they're trying to argue that that, everything that happened, was an insurrection, and therefore, 147 Republicans can be barred from office.

00:35:50.000 I gotta say, just the fact that there is a vote to verify the election results means that you can vote yes or no.

00:35:57.000 They have a vote on purpose, so it doesn't matter how you vote on that.

00:36:00.000 Well, this is the crazy thing that I think we see with everything.

00:36:03.000 Why is it that They don't want free speech because they don't want a fair playing field.

00:36:08.000 They don't want to have to deal with proving themselves right.

00:36:11.000 Why are they going after this 14th Amendment thing?

00:36:15.000 Because they're going to lose.

00:36:16.000 They know they're going to lose.

00:36:17.000 We are dealing with an establishment.

00:36:20.000 It's the big tech companies, the media companies, the Democratic Party, many Republicans as well.

00:36:25.000 They're part of the establishment and their goal is just to maintain control and power by any means necessary.

00:36:30.000 Is this true that so it's just being charged with this?

00:36:33.000 It's not even being convicted?

00:36:34.000 It's just being charged can bar someone even if they're found innocent?

00:36:38.000 Well, being charged for insurrection is nebulous.

00:36:42.000 What does it mean?

00:36:43.000 I don't know.

00:36:44.000 The media has repeatedly said definitively that certain people have committed insurrection.

00:36:52.000 They're just outright saying it.

00:36:53.000 And that's why they tried arguing.

00:36:55.000 They tried suing saying, no, Madison Cawthorn can't run because by speaking at this event, he engaged in insurrection.

00:37:00.000 Man, I'm using Brave and I'm using the Brave search, Brave browser, Brave search.

00:37:04.000 I just typed in insurrection to get a definition.

00:37:06.000 On the right, 2021 United States Capitol attack comes up.

00:37:11.000 It says attack.

00:37:12.000 Like this is mass media manipulation in my face and it's Brave.

00:37:18.000 Insurrection and they just assume that I'm... Well, I mean, I suppose you can say some people, a lot of people there did attack, you know?

00:37:25.000 I guess.

00:37:25.000 I mean, it's propaganda, right?

00:37:27.000 You say attack on one side and you say protest on the other side.

00:37:31.000 Yep, and whoever controls the narrative is going to control the outcome.

00:37:34.000 And taken to its logical conclusion, you wind up with one of the sovereign constitutional branches of government, democratic branches of government, having its sovereignty replaced with that of another, whatever you want to call this other media branch, or whoever's going to decide what is an insurrection in the public eye.

00:37:56.000 They are able to decide when what we would take is the unlimited sovereignty of Congress

00:38:02.000 to vote how it will be to impose its will on the other two branches as laid out in the

00:38:06.000 Constitution comes to an end.

00:38:08.000 And that's scary.

00:38:10.000 This is why our ability to speak freely in the public is so important.

00:38:14.000 For the longest time, you spoke in the public.

00:38:17.000 I mean, actually, for the longest time, people would go to churches, and they would talk to each other.

00:38:20.000 You also had physical events.

00:38:22.000 But you did have media controlling a large share of what people thought was true, and they just blindly believed it.

00:38:28.000 Now with the internet, they're trying to lock down.

00:38:31.000 I think they were surprised by 2016.

00:38:32.000 They didn't realize how powerful the internet was going to be, that people basically memed Trump into the presidency.

00:38:39.000 They have to stop it.

00:38:40.000 So they go after Alex Jones.

00:38:41.000 They go after, you know, Milo.

00:38:43.000 They go after Laura Loomer, all of these people who are on the right, who are loud and generating tons of attention. 1.00

00:38:47.000 All of a sudden we see one day Alex Jones gets purged from basically every single, from, from app stores, from podcasts, from every social platform.

00:38:56.000 There's no way that wasn't coordinated.

00:38:59.000 You can see the coordination too when one network will ban it and then within like a week another network bans it.

00:39:05.000 You could just be say that like maybe Facebook watched Twitter ban them and was like we're gonna follow suit but I got a feeling I mean you were in Silicon Valley you'd know better than anyone.

00:39:13.000 I actually think it was more they're just kind of like this group think and like with Alex Jones is probably the best example of this where like within a day like he was removed from three or four platforms.

00:39:24.000 I feel like there was just so many people whining to get rid of Alex Jones at those companies.

00:39:29.000 As soon as one of them actually dove into the pool, they all just kind of followed automatically afterwards.

00:39:38.000 I guess maybe I'm a bit of a skeptic on that they had a boardroom meeting where they all decided, now is when we ban Alex Jones.

00:39:45.000 It's just board group things.

00:39:45.000 Like if they had a meeting at Davos, Switzerland or something to decide all that stuff, that'd be crazy.

00:39:50.000 I think it's the middle ground.

00:39:51.000 I don't think that they all had, you know, they pressed a button to go to the sub-basement where all of the big tech buildings meet and they sit in the council chamber with torches or anything like that.

00:40:00.000 I think they went out to lunch and they were like, what are you guys doing over at Twitter about this Alex Jones thing?

00:40:07.000 And they're like, well, we don't know.

00:40:08.000 What are you guys over at Facebook doing?

00:40:10.000 What were we thinking about banning him?

00:40:11.000 And then, you know, a handful of guys who were from different departments were talking.

00:40:15.000 They went back and said, this is what they're going to do.

00:40:17.000 And so then when one person did it, okay, and then everyone does it.

00:40:19.000 Cause they walk in lockstep with each other.

00:40:21.000 Yeah.

00:40:21.000 They're probably, probably like one of them, one of them texts their friend over in the same department at a other company and says, we finally got rid of Alex Jones.

00:40:29.000 And then they text their friends at the, you know, New York times and Washington post as well.

00:40:32.000 And they said, this is what we're going to do.

00:40:34.000 And then those people get in touch with the PR department of the tech company that hasn't done taking the same action.

00:40:39.000 It says, did you know that these other platforms are going to ban them?

00:40:43.000 What are you doing?

00:40:44.000 Are you going to allow this to continue on yours exclusively?

00:40:46.000 Yup.

00:40:47.000 And the nail that sticks out gets hammered, and they know that.

00:40:51.000 If there's one profession that I would say I despise more than anything, it's probably journalists.

00:40:57.000 Because the actual real profession is honorable, noble, and important.

00:41:01.000 That's not what we have today, in any sense of the imagination.

00:41:04.000 I mean, you've got a handful of people over at Breitbart, Alan Bakari, for instance, a friend of ours who's done great reporting on the tech censorship stuff.

00:41:11.000 You've got good journalists who really do work at a lot of mainstream corporate press.

00:41:14.000 That's a fact.

00:41:15.000 Like local outlets especially.

00:41:17.000 They do their job.

00:41:18.000 A lot of reporting is like, you know, the local fire department is being shut down for renovations and they're telling their local community.

00:41:24.000 All that's fantastic.

00:41:26.000 But we have at the highest level exactly what you just described where a journalist We'll reach out and say, Hi, I'm calling from the New York Times and I'm just wondering why you support white supremacy by allowing Alex Jones on your platform.

00:41:38.000 We're going to write that you are Klansman, by the way.

00:41:41.000 And then the company freaks out and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:41:44.000 We'll ban him.

00:41:45.000 Please leave us alone.

00:41:46.000 Please don't wield the power of your, you know, millions of views or whatever against us.

00:41:51.000 I wonder if it's more, uh, more coordinated because I'm looking at who owns Meta, which is Facebook's parent company.

00:41:56.000 Well, Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street.

00:41:59.000 Those are the three of the top four.

00:42:00.000 There's also Fidelity Management.

00:42:01.000 Who owns Alphabet, the parent company of Google?

00:42:03.000 Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street.

00:42:05.000 Yeah.

00:42:06.000 So is it the corporate CEOs of these companies?

00:42:09.000 Are there even CEOs?

00:42:10.000 Because these companies own each other when you start to look into it.

00:42:12.000 You're like, who runs what?

00:42:13.000 Like, is it just 20 dudes sitting in their mountain base?

00:42:16.000 Like, okay, now we're making... Like, do they decide Facebook's going to ban Alex Jones or was that Mark?

00:42:21.000 Who makes that decision?

00:42:22.000 These guys own 20% of the company.

00:42:25.000 These three corporations own almost 20% of these companies, both of them.

00:42:29.000 And it's just a question that maybe can't be answered because they've obfuscated it on purpose.

00:42:33.000 Yeah, I don't know the answer to that.

00:42:36.000 It's potential.

00:42:36.000 There's a lot more collusion coming from the top up.

00:42:41.000 You know, I would say this, you know, the CEOs of these companies do have to be good to be successful.

00:42:46.000 So they have a fair amount of independence.

00:42:51.000 Good.

00:42:51.000 That's an interesting word.

00:42:53.000 Well, effective.

00:42:54.000 They have to be good managers.

00:42:56.000 They have to be able to juggle a lot of balls. 1.00

00:43:00.000 I mean, if you look at what Bill Gates is funding, there's coordination.

00:43:04.000 Not in the sense maybe where these companies, like I said, you know, go to the sub-basement, have a cabal meeting or anything like that.

00:43:10.000 But it's not as complicated as people might think it is when they say, oh, you're believing conspiracies.

00:43:15.000 Oh, that's nonsense.

00:43:16.000 No, no, no.

00:43:16.000 Look, a rich dude hires people who does the things that he likes.

00:43:21.000 So, I mean, look, Fudo wants to hire programmers to, you know, get him out of Silicon Valley.

00:43:25.000 Bill Gates wants to hire people and give access to resources who don't believe in free speech and want to reduce the population.

00:43:33.000 So, reduce population growth, to be more specific.

00:43:36.000 So, he is going to hire people who are powerfully advocating for these things and empower what he wants, and he's got the resources to do it.

00:43:43.000 So then, he gives money to a bunch of different groups, all of those groups agree, all of those groups join forces, and now you've got this coordinated massive wave of companies.

00:43:52.000 Many of them focusing in different areas, but now they're coalescing around one thing, Elon Musk bad.

00:43:57.000 There's a coordination, be it on accident or otherwise.

00:44:00.000 Yeah, and you guys seem to have figured out that bitching about it isn't the answer. 0.95

00:44:04.000 You gotta create a parallel system with VUDO.

00:44:07.000 Um, yeah, basically, I mean, I wouldn't say a parallel system.

00:44:10.000 Certainly I would like for FUTO to be a, uh, one of the things about Google that is really nice is just, you have so many smart engineers around you who kind of know how various things work.

00:44:21.000 We would love for FUTO to develop into that kind of organization where you, you can actually quit Google and not just be isolated by yourself, um, without, um, without kind of any of that knowledge to feed off of in your work.

00:44:35.000 Tell me an example of like if a developer came to Fudo and they started getting involved, what would it be like for them?

00:44:40.000 Um, well, ideally they would like say you needed to know how to, uh, do some GPU programming.

00:44:47.000 That's very, very obscure.

00:44:49.000 And right now only a few people who work on like low level Android code or who work at, you know, Qualcomm.

00:44:56.000 No, like there would actually be somebody at Futo that like we would, we would have that they could talk to and like get that information about how to program their computer.

00:45:04.000 You guys should talk to James O'Keefe.

00:45:06.000 Okay.

00:45:07.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 Then when all the whistleblowers come to him, you can just be like, right this way, gentlemen, here's some jobs.

00:45:12.000 Would they like re relocate to Texas or would they be able to work remote?

00:45:17.000 Both, both, whatever they, yeah, it can be virtual and in person where our headquarters are in Texas.

00:45:23.000 Are you hiring?

00:45:24.000 Because I know you had mentioned before the show, it's kind of like a Y Combinator style, like, like, what are those called? 0.72

00:45:29.000 incubator incubators we got we have a couple of different initiatives on first we are trying to hire full-time engineers we have we are first and foremost an engineering firm we have a couple of projects underway in-house and we'd like to have more that's sort of we're doing for regular hiring like that we're also doing a Y Combinator style if you will grant program this summer in Austin Texas it's residential we're gonna have a cool house to stay in, incubator space, lots of support.

00:45:54.000 We're going to select three teams of up to five engineers, $20,000 for each team member,

00:45:59.000 no strings attached.

00:46:00.000 We don't want equity.

00:46:01.000 We just want people working on cool stuff that creates viable tech alternatives.

00:46:06.000 So I want to pull this other story from Elon Musk about his plans for a legal effort, but

00:46:11.000 we've got to talk about solutions to what's happening with politics, culture, and all

00:46:17.000 Hearing you guys mention that you're giving grants to people, like just no strings attached, no equity, just do the work basically, is that what you're saying?

00:46:24.000 Yeah, if you're working on something cool, yeah.

00:46:26.000 One of the big challenges when we look at Project Veritas, James O'Keefe comes out, he says, be brave.

00:46:32.000 We've got, obviously at these companies, there's censorship.

00:46:36.000 Obviously they're not being honest.

00:46:38.000 We just had this expose where there's this engineer at Twitter talking to his date saying, oh yeah, they're censoring the right all the time.

00:46:46.000 Why are these people not coming out and being like, yo, they're lying when they go to Congress and say these things.

00:46:52.000 They're lying under oath.

00:46:54.000 I think one of the reasons is they're scared.

00:46:56.000 Many people say, they say it all the time, I got kids, man.

00:46:59.000 I can't, I can't just up and dip.

00:47:01.000 So I often talk about infrastructure being a key element to, you know, getting away from Silicon Valley.

00:47:08.000 So Rumble, for instance, I'm a fan.

00:47:10.000 We use their video player for the website members only section, and we use their cloud services for our website, and we're integrating more non-Silicon Valley infrastructure into the website.

00:47:19.000 We have more plans.

00:47:19.000 We'll announce those as soon as we have them ready.

00:47:22.000 To create competition, to push back, that's another big move.

00:47:26.000 If people are going to be able to blow the whistle and come out and just give, maybe it's not James O'Keefe, maybe it's any news organization, and be like, here's documents proving it, there has to be a place for them to exist.

00:47:37.000 There has to be something telling them, you can find work, you can be supported, you will not be thrown to the wolves just by coming out, you're not sacrificing yourself.

00:47:45.000 Doing the right thing actually could benefit you.

00:47:47.000 It actually can be really great for your career.

00:47:49.000 All of a sudden, you'll be getting a better job.

00:47:51.000 But I want to pull up this tweet thread from Elon Musk from the 20th.

00:47:53.000 Check this out.

00:47:54.000 He says, Tesla is building a hardcore litigation department where we directly initiate and execute lawsuits.

00:48:01.000 The team will report directly to me.

00:48:03.000 Please send three to five bullet points describing evidence of exceptional ability.

00:48:07.000 Justice at Tesla.com, he says.

00:48:09.000 My commitment We will never seek victory in a just case against us, even if we probably win.

00:48:14.000 Even if we will probably win.

00:48:16.000 We will never surrender, settle, an unjust case against us, even if we will probably lose.

00:48:21.000 Please include links to cases you have tried.

00:48:23.000 He says, looking for hardcore street fighters, not white shoe lawyers like Perkins or Cooley, who thrive on corruption.

00:48:31.000 There will be blood.

00:48:33.000 Sounds like he was watching the show last night.

00:48:35.000 Yeah, we do need more lawyers than that. 0.73

00:48:37.000 Well, this is from four days ago.

00:48:38.000 Oh, nice.

00:48:39.000 This is from four days ago, man.

00:48:40.000 This is the sentiment, man.

00:48:41.000 We need lawyers that are willing to lose, that are willing to take a chance.

00:48:44.000 This is what, one of the things that frustrates me in all of the conversations are people saying, there's, oh don't, I've, every single time I've been defamed, every time there's been some question of Section 230, every lawyer I've spoken with has been like, there's no point in trying.

00:49:01.000 Don't do it.

00:49:02.000 Elon Musk certainly has the funds to be like, don't know, don't care, here's the money, have fun.

00:49:06.000 That's what we need.

00:49:07.000 We need real solutions to all of these issues that are happening.

00:49:11.000 So I'm curious what you guys think about the legal side of things in terms of suing or going after.

00:49:16.000 You know, we had talked privately about Section 230.

00:49:18.000 I mean, I'll defer to Ian here, who's a lawyer by training.

00:49:22.000 I'm a lawyer by training.

00:49:23.000 I no longer practice.

00:49:24.000 I won't give direct legal takes.

00:49:26.000 But I mean, obviously, litigation is a huge part of this.

00:49:29.000 You know, we just had the Fifth Circuit rule in a preliminary motion in the lawsuit to enjoin the social media law they passed. That could have a huge impact.

00:49:40.000 There's a similar case on with a similar but not quite as powerful law in Florida that's on. I mean, these things are

00:49:47.000 important in themselves, but they're also the culmination of at this point really five or six years of litigation

00:49:53.000 around this very issue, around 230, around free speech, around the power of social media networks and so on. And he's

00:50:01.000 absolutely right.

00:50:03.000 The entire industry is coalesced around this.

00:50:05.000 You have these industry associations that are spending a large amount of money on lawyers to fight, because they do know how impactful it could be.

00:50:13.000 And at Fluto, we're not directly involved in any litigation.

00:50:16.000 We kind of are focused on the technology side, but we know that it is a multi-pronged fight, and those lawsuits are very important.

00:50:23.000 How do you feel about copyright law from the past being used Well, okay, I'm going to defer to Aaron on intellectual property law in particular, but I'll just say that that's been an issue for 25 years.

00:50:40.000 The very first political issue I ever remember being engaged in when I was, what, nine years old or something was the DMCA had just passed.

00:50:47.000 And if you remember, DCSS was a very simple piece of software that allowed you to decode a DVD on a device without having to pay the license fee for a DVD player.

00:50:58.000 And this was one of the first things that they went after as a copyright-breaking tool under the DMCA, which allowed you to shut it down.

00:51:08.000 And that, I mean, right there is a huge, that is a use of a copyright enforcement mechanism to limit the freedom and, you know, not necessarily just to protect a copyright holder but to go after the entire universe of freely flowing tech and information and so on.

00:51:26.000 And I think that's a principle that extends more broadly.

00:51:29.000 The same technology that's used to enforce copyright or intellectual property can and often is used to enforce restrictions on free

00:51:38.000 speech, on the flow of information, and on the use of technology in general.

00:51:42.000 That's one of the big challenges with the copyright stuff that has happened with social medias.

00:51:47.000 I had a tweet that was absolutely fair.

00:51:49.000 You just get taken down under copyright and what do you do?

00:51:52.000 The challenge is that I kind of feel like no matter what you do, the person with the most power wins.

00:51:57.000 If you've got the money, you're gonna win.

00:51:59.000 That's just about it.

00:51:59.000 I mean, maybe you might get lucky and get a good judge and fight your way through.

00:52:04.000 But you know even in the instance of James O'Keefe fighting defamation cases He needs to raise like a million two million dollars to even try to go after these these big companies And then you just have the courts are always you know often Siding with the people who are defaming or the big tech or the establishment or something like that this is one of the biggest challenges that it feels like even it feels like a fighting an uphill battle because I I've talked about Wikipedia quite a bit.

00:52:31.000 How fractured the system is, how it makes literally no sense, but they have so much money.

00:52:35.000 How do you compete with that as an individual?

00:52:37.000 It just doesn't seem to make sense.

00:52:38.000 You need capital, that's for sure, because it's like a war of attrition in court.

00:52:42.000 It's how long can I pay all these lawyers to stay in this courthouse and keep talking?

00:52:46.000 No one really cares if they win or lose, they're all getting paid, as long as you've got the money to pay them.

00:52:51.000 So you either need people to work for free, which is a form of capital, or money.

00:52:56.000 Social currency, getting a lot of people who believe in you just to focus fire their efforts and their labor towards something more powerful, I guess.

00:53:04.000 I want to mention an idea to you.

00:53:06.000 Ian, you're a lawyer by training.

00:53:08.000 I want to ask you your thoughts on this.

00:53:10.000 What if we made a website where as soon as you load it, you are placed in a queue where you can write one word and 5,000 people all write one word?

00:53:25.000 Who's sued for defamation when you write a story claiming that Nancy Pelosi eats dogs?

00:53:30.000 It's a tough one.

00:53:31.000 I see what you're getting at here, that what you're running there is an interactive computer service which is protected from defamation under CDA Section 230.

00:53:39.000 And each individual made no statement.

00:53:41.000 Right.

00:53:42.000 Writing the word dog, I didn't say anything.

00:53:44.000 All I wrote was dog.

00:53:46.000 You can't sue me, can you?

00:53:48.000 It's a very interesting one.

00:53:49.000 That could be a good law school hypothetical.

00:53:52.000 We need some coders.

00:53:54.000 If you're a developer, we're going to create this interactive website where it starts with a Q. I mentioned this the other day.

00:54:01.000 And then everyone from your position, if you're the first person and you're number one, you get the first word.

00:54:07.000 We'll just let everybody like fork it whenever they want and you'll be guaranteed to get whatever you want and then as an editor you could pick the one that you want to show.

00:54:16.000 Exactly.

00:54:17.000 And then we'll feature whichever one that comes up.

00:54:19.000 So you might have an article that says like, Nancy Pelosi run, jump, car, drive fast.

00:54:24.000 And you're just like, that's nonsense.

00:54:26.000 And then you'll finally get one that says Nancy Pelosi ate a dog.

00:54:30.000 Because people just did... Oh, like Mad Libs. 0.96

00:54:33.000 Yeah.

00:54:33.000 Kind of.

00:54:33.000 Kind of Mad Libs.

00:54:34.000 Every single word.

00:54:36.000 What if you tell them this has to be a verb?

00:54:38.000 Then are you all of a sudden an editor?

00:54:39.000 Then you'll get sued because you're telling them to write a verb or a noun?

00:54:43.000 Because that'll help it flow.

00:54:43.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:54:46.000 I think we're onto something.

00:54:47.000 I mean... What if I wrote Nancy Pelosi... What if we did an actual ad-lib?

00:54:51.000 You know, mad-lib or whatever it's called, where it's like, Nancy Pelosi blanked a blank.

00:54:55.000 And then some random person could put a word in.

00:54:57.000 I didn't write the sentence, right?

00:54:58.000 I put blanks.

00:55:00.000 Someone else put the... Would I be able to be sued for defamation?

00:55:03.000 I'm definitely not an expert in defamation law.

00:55:07.000 It seems like a difficult case to me.

00:55:09.000 It's going to hinge on a lot of things, but it's interesting.

00:55:13.000 I mean, the problem is your website.

00:55:15.000 It would be hard for you to get enough clout for your website for people to believe what it said.

00:55:22.000 As opposed to Wikipedia, where it kind of has a lot of clout now.

00:55:25.000 Sure, sure.

00:55:25.000 I just think we'll be allowed to post all of this stuff.

00:55:28.000 Sure.

00:55:28.000 Like, I'll put it on Twitter to 1.3 million people and let them share it.

00:55:31.000 And then what is anyone going to say to me?

00:55:33.000 They're going to be like, you can't say that.

00:55:34.000 And I'll be like, I'm just sharing a story from, you know, people you can't sue me for.

00:55:38.000 It's not my, or I'll, I'll tweet it out and I'll put what a crazy story.

00:55:42.000 Right.

00:55:43.000 And then everyone will see the headline.

00:55:45.000 And, uh, and then what, what can I do about it?

00:55:48.000 There's a question whether it's defamation.

00:55:50.000 If it is a website where these things truly are random people posting words, I think there's some question as to whether it is actually, even if it is something nasty that comes up eventually, as to whether it is defamation as opposed to people would not take it and if no one would take it as such.

00:56:07.000 There's a certain point at which it's obviously satire and not meant as a statement.

00:56:11.000 What if I only allowed a handful of words like Nancy Pelosi eats and dog?

00:56:22.000 Dog eats Nancy Pelosi.

00:56:23.000 You sure?

00:56:24.000 Yeah.

00:56:25.000 Yeah, whatever combination of the words you want.

00:56:27.000 I love you, Nancy.

00:56:27.000 I'm just kidding.

00:56:28.000 What if it turns out to be true?

00:56:29.000 That's the real... That's the...

00:56:31.000 Yeah, you gotta be careful.

00:56:32.000 I don't know.

00:56:34.000 I'm joking.

00:56:35.000 But I mean, I just I look at what's going on with big tech and how they're basically invincible, how they have these laws that for us we get spat on, we get pissed on, we get stepped on.

00:56:44.000 And then Wikipedia can just do whatever the hell they want.

00:56:48.000 That can't be.

00:56:49.000 That just cannot be.

00:56:50.000 It's when it says from Wikipedia that it starts to get real fishy for me.

00:56:54.000 Like, if they were clear, like, this is all community, and they linked to the screen names of the people that put the little pieces in and stuff, that's a different story.

00:57:02.000 Except, someone could write on Wikipedia, Nancy Pelosi eats chicken, another person can go in and change chicken to dog, and they've made no statement.

00:57:11.000 You can't sue that person because they've made no statement.

00:57:14.000 The person who said she eats chicken, maybe that's true. 0.91

00:57:16.000 The person who changed chicken to dog did not make a statement.

00:57:18.000 He just said the word dog.

00:57:20.000 You can't sue someone for saying a single word.

00:57:21.000 There's no defamation there.

00:57:23.000 Wikipedia needs to be sued into oblivion because it is them.

00:57:27.000 They have automated the editorial process under their own byline.

00:57:31.000 And this argument that they're protected under Section 230 makes absolutely no sense.

00:57:36.000 You know what?

00:57:39.000 How do we do this?

00:57:40.000 Do we set up a give-send-go, raise a couple million bucks, find someone withstanding and say, have fun?

00:57:46.000 Is that allowed?

00:57:47.000 Is that legal?

00:57:50.000 My preference would be to solve this technically and build a better product than Wikipedia.

00:57:54.000 I disagree.

00:57:57.000 I think culture is the issue.

00:57:59.000 That regular people know Wikipedia, use Wikipedia, Google has integrated Wikipedia, and every facet, this machine is here.

00:58:08.000 And they are clearly violating, at the very least, the spirit of the law.

00:58:11.000 But I believe, technically, like, at a technical standpoint, they're, you know, totally open to being sued.

00:58:18.000 Someone just needs to do it.

00:58:21.000 Where's James O'Keefe?

00:58:22.000 Someone call James.

00:58:24.000 I mean, there's been lawsuits, right?

00:58:26.000 So, I mean, they happen and Wikipedia will settle.

00:58:30.000 Wikipedia will change it even if they feel they have to.

00:58:34.000 Well, they should change it.

00:58:35.000 I mean, that's the goal, right?

00:58:36.000 Get them to change it so they stop allowing this.

00:58:38.000 Because right now, I do not understand how Wikipedia can publish such false statements.

00:58:43.000 I mean, look, the Project Veritas article on Wikipedia is clearly an opinion piece.

00:58:49.000 It's outrageous how much opinion it is.

00:58:52.000 They're this, that, or otherwise, and conspiracies.

00:58:55.000 It's loaded with fake news.

00:58:56.000 It's loaded with provenly false claims.

00:58:59.000 And it's from Wikipedia.

00:59:01.000 James, you gotta sue.

00:59:02.000 Maybe we shouldn't be able to have people on Wikipedia.

00:59:06.000 You shouldn't be able to have a person's page or a corporation's page on Wikipedia.

00:59:10.000 Because, like, in Encyclopedia Britannica, they didn't have, like, people.

00:59:14.000 It would just be things.

00:59:17.000 Well, I mean, you had, I think there was maybe no living people at some point.

00:59:21.000 I'm not actually sure about that, but I think maybe at some point it was no living people, but I could be wrong.

00:59:26.000 Okay.

00:59:27.000 I just, I mean, you've had Larry Sanger on, I mean, he's working on this.

00:59:30.000 We're actually, FUTO is the grant for his organization to try to fix this.

00:59:35.000 I mean, I kind of agree with you.

00:59:38.000 Wikipedia owns the culture right now and it's hard to solve.

00:59:42.000 Still, this is a hard work and as FUTA, as a tech organization, we want to try to create technical solutions.

00:59:49.000 I do feel like there is some ways we can chip away at Wikipedia.

00:59:52.000 Clearly, free speech has already weakened their stature in the culture.

00:59:57.000 There's many people who like know that Wikipedia's propaganda on any kind of contentious issue.

01:00:04.000 What I would like to see as from the technical solution would be some sort of way for dissenting editors at Wikipedia to very, very easily fork it and have their own kind of wiki, have their own articles show up and have, you know, Building this product is one of the trickier things.

01:00:22.000 I consider Wikipedia to be a very special case of social media.

01:00:25.000 It's crowdsourced.

01:00:26.000 It's a bunch of editors, like you said, making diffs to articles, right?

01:00:29.000 But it still is very much, you know, crowdsourced from millions of people or hundreds of thousands of people.

01:00:36.000 It all comes in.

01:00:37.000 How can we get it so that, like, Those contributions are more ubiquitous for the world and different editor organizations can decide which editors should be banned and which shouldn't.

01:00:51.000 And the dissenting side in any kind of these Wikipedia edit wars actually has a viable thing that people will find.

01:00:59.000 And those are the sorts of things that Larry's working on with his organization.

01:01:03.000 You could have, like, a page with all these overlays that would pop up with different percentages of how accurate are each overlay relative to these editors.

01:01:10.000 Like, if an editor has a 72% rating, then they're going to affect their overlay that they edited, and then you'd be able to sort all the overlays on, like, Dog, the Wikipedia's thing of, like, Hillary Clinton or whatever.

01:01:19.000 Right.

01:01:20.000 And then, so you'd see, like, 900,000 Hillary Clinton Wikipedia pages on top of each other, and then you'd sort them by the ones with the most trusted editors, and you'd sort that one to the top.

01:01:31.000 Maybe.

01:01:31.000 I think the issue is the most trusted editors would be 50-50, if that, right?

01:01:35.000 So I was talking with a group of people way back in the day about a journalist rating system or a news organization rating system.

01:01:43.000 One of the things we want to do with our fact-checking nonprofit is create a browser extension and then actually hire fact-checkers to rate various news outlets based on violations of journalistic ethics.

01:01:56.000 One of the ideas has always been, what if you create like a meter?

01:01:58.000 Showing like, how much do we trust a journalist?

01:02:01.000 Okay, well if they write for Breitbart, they're gonna get a zero, right? 1.00

01:02:03.000 Because every mainstream, every liberal democrat person is gonna be like, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar. 0.99

01:02:09.000 At best, you could hope for 50-50. 0.98

01:02:12.000 But that means, you need, like, if I came out, And said, Joe Biden is corrupt, you know, has engaged in overt corruption with the Ukraine scandal, saying fire the prosecutor.

01:02:25.000 I mean, that is a statement of fact.

01:02:27.000 When they claimed that Donald Trump was trying to get a quid pro quo in Ukraine, Joe Biden did literally that.

01:02:34.000 Going to the president saying fire the prosecutor or you're not getting a billion dollars in loan guarantees.

01:02:38.000 It's exactly what they claimed it was.

01:02:40.000 So, it's corruption.

01:02:42.000 He's just not been held accountable for it.

01:02:44.000 If I say that, people on the left are going to say, either knowingly, or I should say willfully, they'll call me a liar knowing it's true, because they want political power.

01:02:55.000 So they'll say, oh that story from Tim Pool is false, minus one.

01:02:57.000 Then you're going to get a bunch of other Democrats and Antifa types who are going to be like, that's not true, I heard on CNN, minus one.

01:03:04.000 You're hoping, then, that if a thousand of these people downrate you, that some conservative who knows it's true is going to uprate you, or at the very least, you'll end up with conservatives saying, I believe that's true, whether it is or not.

01:03:16.000 It's going to be the inverse version of the same thing.

01:03:18.000 So we need a trustless way to identify their value.

01:03:23.000 Maybe if people don't realize they're rating the articles or the individuals that edit the articles, but they're either, maybe with crypto, I like the trustless Smart contracts.

01:03:36.000 I'm kind of throwing out buzzwords here.

01:03:38.000 I gotta be a little more pessimistic though.

01:03:40.000 I think the issue is culture.

01:03:43.000 It doesn't matter if you're gonna say a journalist is trusted or not.

01:03:45.000 What matters is what the culture wants, believes, and expects.

01:03:49.000 And right now, we have two very distinct cultures in this country that will never come together.

01:03:54.000 I think it's natural.

01:03:55.000 Resistance is natural, human.

01:03:58.000 It's part of our evolution, our nature.

01:03:59.000 You'll always have people saying that you're wrong and always have people saying you're right, for the most part.

01:04:05.000 Things are different.

01:04:05.000 I mean, it used to be that there were Democrats and Republicans.

01:04:08.000 They'd argue with each other, but they were all Americans.

01:04:10.000 They'd all come out for the Fourth of July and be like, oh, you know, I don't agree with that stuff, but hey, America, right?

01:04:17.000 Now you've got people that CNN, for instance, all these big news outlets know for a fact they're never going to sell to a Trump supporter.

01:04:26.000 So they have absolutely zero reason to be honest about Trump and his supporters.

01:04:30.000 If they know their bread is being buttered by a bunch of, you know, left activists, why would they ever tell the truth on Trump?

01:04:37.000 I mean, right now, Jim Acosta, you know, he did a segment the other day where he claimed Donald Trump appears to have been calling for civil war.

01:04:44.000 Which is just BS.

01:04:45.000 It's not true.

01:04:46.000 Trump retweeted, basically, a guy who said the words, Civil War.

01:04:49.000 I don't know what that means.

01:04:49.000 It's like, you on the news story?

01:04:51.000 Here's the facts.

01:04:53.000 Donald Trump reposts comment that says Civil War.

01:04:57.000 That's it.

01:04:58.000 Take for it what you will.

01:04:59.000 That's the fact.

01:05:00.000 The opinion is, was he calling for it?

01:05:02.000 Was he predicting it?

01:05:03.000 Was he scared?

01:05:05.000 I have no idea.

01:05:06.000 But Jim Acosta, CNN, all these big mainstream outlets say he's either calling for it or predicting it.

01:05:10.000 That's not true.

01:05:11.000 None of that is true.

01:05:12.000 That's all opinion.

01:05:13.000 But they know!

01:05:15.000 There's no one, for the most part, who is buying from them for truth.

01:05:20.000 Everybody wants their confirmation bias.

01:05:22.000 Everyone, no matter where you come from.

01:05:24.000 Now, I think there's a tendency, more so on the right, to associate with those who are right.

01:05:29.000 You know, post-liberals, moderates, libertarians, conservatives, whatever the freedom space is.

01:05:34.000 You have more people who are like, no, no, no, just tell me what's true.

01:05:38.000 The left, for the most part, has gone full zealot, as far as I can tell.

01:05:41.000 I don't like the word truth anymore.

01:05:44.000 I used to be a zealot about what was true and I'd be like, it is the one true something.

01:05:49.000 And I was like, come on, Ian, you don't know, like get over yourself.

01:05:52.000 And also the word trust.

01:05:54.000 I don't think humans trust each other.

01:05:55.000 We're wild animals.

01:05:56.000 We've domesticated each other.

01:05:57.000 We're kind of sit in peace together with like pretending like we know we're not going to hurt each other, but like, it doesn't mean it's never going to happen, you know?

01:06:04.000 So we live in this idea of truth and trust, which is just like, They're extremes that don't exist, and so we should code our stuff that way, too.

01:06:13.000 And trust can be, in a way, counterproductive.

01:06:16.000 Let me explain that just briefly.

01:06:18.000 I've talked to several people who grew up behind the Iron Curtain, and what they always say about that is, you know, we knew our news was fake.

01:06:24.000 We knew the newspapers were nonsense.

01:06:27.000 And in a way, that's sort of because there was no trust.

01:06:30.000 They knew that, okay, you have to read between the lines, you have to really think about this.

01:06:34.000 In this country, for better or for worse, we used to have much more trust in media in our institutions.

01:06:42.000 I think part of that is technological.

01:06:44.000 We had an era where the main means of media distribution were the broadcast television channels, a few major newspapers that had a legal interest in being I don't want to use the word objective that strongly, but more neutral.

01:06:59.000 And we don't have that, and we've sort of carried over this unwarranted trust.

01:07:03.000 And as that's broken down, I think people look at things, even Wikipedia, I think with a more skeptical eye.

01:07:09.000 And, you know, if you can shore that up, if you can find things that people can trust, I think you do a service.

01:07:19.000 I think trustless.

01:07:20.000 They talk about like smart contracts, crypto smart contracts are trustless because you don't have to trust that giving your money to the guy, he's going to do the thing that you gave him the money to do.

01:07:29.000 It just automatically happens.

01:07:30.000 So you remove that level of trust.

01:07:34.000 Um, like I get like trusting your parents.

01:07:37.000 If you don't trust your parents, I mean, the world's going to seem like it wants to kill you every moment you're, you're living in it.

01:07:42.000 But if you can trust your parents, it's still like, doesn't mean they're never going to turn on you, but it's just like an acceptance.

01:07:48.000 Like when I step on, my foot's not going to go through the ground.

01:07:51.000 I trust that I'm going to land on solid ground.

01:07:54.000 Um, I guess it's just not an ideal.

01:07:56.000 Like, like what do we have to trust something?

01:07:59.000 Every individual should be allowed to decide on their own who they trust.

01:08:04.000 Right.

01:08:04.000 I mean, based on what parameters?

01:08:07.000 Everybody gets to decide through their interactions with them.

01:08:10.000 Right.

01:08:11.000 It's not, we can't have a top-down approach to trust where we're told to trust certain people.

01:08:16.000 I kind of feel like there may be an inevitability in the hyperpolarization.

01:08:22.000 Though I think it's possible that the tech oligarchs, the censorship has exacerbated this by banning only some people.

01:08:30.000 I kind of feel like we saw early on in the internet Tribes were forming where people like to rag on each other.

01:08:37.000 There's a video that I talk about often called, This Video Will Make You Angry by CGP Grey, where he mentions that communities don't actually argue with each other, they argue amongst themselves about the other.

01:08:48.000 And they get riled up and get angrier and angrier about it.

01:08:50.000 And this tribalism eventually leads to conflict.

01:08:53.000 So I wonder if... Do you think that's an inevitability?

01:08:59.000 With the internet?

01:08:59.000 I mean, the culture war itself arising out of these tribes that have formed where everyone hates each other?

01:09:04.000 I mean, yeah, I mean, human nature, we see it with sports teams, everything, like, it's inevitable, but doesn't... How do you stop it from getting to the point where people are killing each other?

01:09:14.000 This is a philosophical point, but I think that, yes, if you do have, I don't know if you call it a free market for, but if you do have different groups able to trust who they want and able to use an alternative technology when they want to get the information they do.

01:09:31.000 I think that you have... I understand that that can lead to problems, but I think it leads to fewer problems than one of, like you say, this top-down enforcement of trust, where inevitably one tribe or one side or another is going to feel this intense resentment.

01:09:47.000 I think that's when things get really dangerous, when people are confirmed in their belief that everything is against them.

01:09:55.000 Let's talk about this.

01:09:55.000 We got a story from The Independent.

01:09:57.000 Put people in jail.

01:09:59.000 Former Fox reporter calls for arrests over right wing's great replacement theory.

01:10:05.000 Tucker Carlson responded saying this is going to get really ugly really soon.

01:10:09.000 Slamming ex Fox News colleague who suggested he should be in jail or something worse.

01:10:15.000 What's something worse, Carlson asked his audience after airing a clip of the remarks from the former reporter Cameron made over the weekend to CNN.

01:10:22.000 We're not sure what something worse is, but it certainly feels like we're moving toward it at a very high speed at this point.

01:10:28.000 Rhetoric has its own internal logic.

01:10:30.000 We've experienced it.

01:10:31.000 We can talk ourselves into things.

01:10:33.000 Democrats are doing it right now.

01:10:35.000 And what they're talking themselves into right now is, quote, something worse.

01:10:39.000 It's scary.

01:10:40.000 It's time to pull back.

01:10:41.000 It's time to de-escalate.

01:10:42.000 Otherwise, this is going to get really ugly really soon.

01:10:45.000 So, you know, should I say the magic word, civil war?

01:10:49.000 You can always say it if you want.

01:10:50.000 I mean, I would hope that everybody ignores people like that on the extreme.

01:10:56.000 They don't.

01:10:56.000 Right?

01:10:59.000 Some people do, some people don't.

01:11:02.000 My friends from Silicon Valley are all Democrats, but they're not going to say Tucker Carlson should be executed for talking about replacement theory.

01:11:09.000 But are they active in politics?

01:11:12.000 Are they the public speakers?

01:11:15.000 No, exactly. So you have on CNN, here's what happens. I don't think intent matters on either

01:11:22.000 side as this conflict escalates. This guy goes on CNN. They probably didn't know he was going to say

01:11:27.000 this. He says it. They probably say, OK, well, that's a little over the top, but, you know,

01:11:30.000 we know we don't mean it, right? We don't we don't want to go that far. But then Tucker Carlson sees

01:11:35.000 it and then he talks about it and says, look what they're doing.

01:11:38.000 Look what they're saying. 0.99

01:11:40.000 And then of course, people who see that are like, whoa, those people are crazy.

01:11:43.000 So it's, it's, it's exacerbating the problem.

01:11:45.000 It's escalating things regardless of whether they're being tongue in cheek or hyperbolic or otherwise.

01:11:51.000 Feels like the network should be responsible for these people that are talking on the network.

01:11:54.000 I know it's not a social network, so they don't have, I don't know, 230 in parity, but... They don't care, though, because they know they don't make money from Trump supporters.

01:12:05.000 They have no cultural tie to conservatives, Republicans, or Libertarians.

01:12:10.000 But this guy's saying something worse.

01:12:12.000 The only thing worse than jail for a criminal is death penalty, that I'd know of.

01:12:15.000 I mean, you either get life in prison or death penalty.

01:12:17.000 That's the next thing that's worse.

01:12:19.000 So what's this guy going on CNN and suggesting that someone needs the death penalty for talking on a news channel?

01:12:25.000 And now people are going to hear you saying it.

01:12:26.000 CNN needs to come out and speak against that. 0.93

01:12:28.000 And so whether anyone has the full intent of it or not, people will hear us talking about it, and they're going to be like, man, these CNN people have lost their minds allowing this.

01:12:37.000 They're going to say, Ian's right, they shouldn't allow that.

01:12:40.000 This guy's calling for the death penalty for Tucker Carlson.

01:12:43.000 That's crazy.

01:12:44.000 And then you'll mention, my Democrat friends don't believe that.

01:12:47.000 But this is something at the highest level of the conversation.

01:12:50.000 Right, right.

01:12:51.000 I would say that, you know, it's kind of all of our collective responsibility to do what you can.

01:12:56.000 I mean, I do what I can to keep my Democrat friends.

01:12:59.000 A lot of them, you know, I'm an independent and I've still lost a lot of friends, you know, just by being a little bit more outspoken.

01:13:06.000 But try to make an effort to stay friends with people.

01:13:09.000 Most people are reasonable.

01:13:11.000 And if you point out things like this to them, they'll probably be, yeah, that's batshit crazy.

01:13:16.000 I thought all the batshit crazy people were on the right. 0.84

01:13:20.000 I didn't realize there were batshit crazy people on my side, too. 0.94

01:13:24.000 Yeah. 0.75

01:13:25.000 Pardon the French. 1.00

01:13:26.000 I'll do a little bit.

01:13:28.000 I'll try and do a little bit of that conciliation and say like, look, what he said is totally legal. 0.88

01:13:34.000 I mean, what he's suggesting is ridiculous and unconstitutional and a million other things.

01:13:37.000 But, you know, him saying that that should be the penalty for saying things he doesn't believe or should be said on public air. 0.85

01:13:44.000 I mean, I guess he can say that.

01:13:46.000 How does he get to that point?

01:13:47.000 How does this guy get to the point where we'd actually say something worse than jailing for talking about an idea pushed by... Maybe he meant he should lose his job, I don't know.

01:13:57.000 He said go to jail or something worse.

01:13:58.000 Like a jail for a week or lose your job, I don't know.

01:14:01.000 I wouldn't apologize for it.

01:14:02.000 Well, I'm not.

01:14:03.000 What I would say is, these people, I'm sorry. 0.91

01:14:07.000 I don't know how we solve this because I think they're nuts, and I'll tell you why.

01:14:11.000 It has been many prominent Democrats who have argued for demographic change in efforts to maintain power.

01:14:19.000 When Tucker Carlson points that out, they accuse him of pushing a conspiracy theory.

01:14:23.000 And I'll say it again.

01:14:25.000 Many Democrats have said immigration is a path towards maintaining political power.

01:14:30.000 Tucker Carlson says, look what they're saying.

01:14:32.000 He shows them saying it, and they say, he has said something so dangerous, he should be jailed or something worse.

01:14:38.000 How do they get to that point?

01:14:41.000 Look, I know Donald Trump said, lock her up to Hillary Clinton. 1.00

01:14:45.000 Right?

01:14:45.000 Maybe that's it.

01:14:46.000 Maybe it's inevitable.

01:14:47.000 Hillary Clinton actually did bad things. 1.00

01:14:50.000 Joe Biden did bad things.

01:14:51.000 Yeah, but political persecution is not the answer, that's for sure.

01:14:54.000 But what do you do then?

01:14:55.000 Do you say, Hillary Clinton destroyed 30,000 emails, but we're not going to go after her because it would escalate tensions?

01:15:00.000 He should say she should be charged, not locked up.

01:15:03.000 That's the judge to decide, or the jury.

01:15:06.000 And then everyone says, criminally charge my opponent, you criminally charge yours, everyone says they're right.

01:15:11.000 You know, you mentioned it on the show before, the left says the exact same thing about us that we say about them.

01:15:15.000 And then I pointed out, yeah, but we're right.

01:15:18.000 Like, when I say Joe Biden went to the president of Ukraine and said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollar loan guarantees.

01:15:25.000 That's on video.

01:15:26.000 He actually did that.

01:15:27.000 A prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, where his son was on the board.

01:15:31.000 All of that happened.

01:15:32.000 Well, that should be investigated.

01:15:34.000 But then they push things like the Ahmaud Arbery lie, the guy who filmed it goes to prison, you know, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd.

01:15:40.000 I mean, all of these things that were embellished, hands up, don't shoot, outright not true, Jussie Smollett.

01:15:45.000 They all believed it.

01:15:47.000 They keep pushing all these things that are just outright falsehoods.

01:15:50.000 But you have, it's almost like, man, an equal and opposite reaction.

01:15:55.000 As more people get access to the truth through social media, more people join the zealous cult as an equal and opposite reaction.

01:16:03.000 Is that really it?

01:16:04.000 Is that law of thermodynamics just a reality for every element of existence?

01:16:09.000 We have free will.

01:16:10.000 It exists within our energy, but we have free will.

01:16:13.000 I think that people are doing too much these days, too fast with politics.

01:16:17.000 You don't need to make a change.

01:16:19.000 Today we're like, what's going on with the news?

01:16:20.000 Not a lot of news today.

01:16:21.000 Good.

01:16:22.000 Let's live in peace.

01:16:24.000 That's the idea.

01:16:24.000 And these people, it's like they've got to legislate and create new law, new law, new law, and sign this and that.

01:16:30.000 Like, dude, what?

01:16:31.000 Maybe it's like that episode of Star Trek.

01:16:35.000 Where?

01:16:36.000 Belot? 0.99

01:16:37.000 Which one is that?

01:16:37.000 Is that half white, half black?

01:16:39.000 No, no, no, no.

01:16:41.000 Where they have this energy pulse slamming into the Enterprise, and so they're like, raise the shields!

01:16:48.000 And then they're like, the energy pulse is getting stronger!

01:16:50.000 And they keep doing it, and then finally, I think it's, was it data?

01:16:54.000 Or somebody says, lower the shields.

01:16:56.000 And they're like, are you sure?

01:16:57.000 Do it.

01:16:57.000 And they do, and then the energy wave dissipates.

01:16:59.000 And it was that the more they increased their shields, the more the energy reflected back stronger.

01:17:05.000 Like a Chinese finger trap. 0.73

01:17:07.000 You've got to stop pulling as hard as you can and just push in.

01:17:10.000 Wow.

01:17:10.000 Then you can get your fingers out.

01:17:12.000 Become friends with your enemy and all of a sudden there's no conflict.

01:17:15.000 But I wonder if we're already at the point where the finger trap has been ripped to shreds and there's no, you know, coming back.

01:17:21.000 I mean, one of the things I, you know, when people were really fighting in 2020, I was like, well, let's do Tulsi Gabbard.

01:17:27.000 Like, she would be like the compromise candidate for both parties and both sides.

01:17:32.000 And what happened with the left?

01:17:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:17:35.000 When I suggested this, some of my friends on Facebook went apeshit saying she was just an evil Republican. 0.98

01:17:44.000 Yeah. 0.90

01:17:44.000 This is why I say, like, you know, when you say the left has the same thing about us, I'm like, yes, but we're right. 0.90

01:17:50.000 It's very simple.

01:17:51.000 Because I'm not a traditional conservative.

01:17:54.000 I've never been a conservative.

01:17:55.000 And I supported Yang and Tulsi in 2020, trying to find that compromise that the establishment left and the leftists were unwilling to have.

01:18:04.000 So some of my friends were receptive to it, too, though.

01:18:06.000 So, I mean...

01:18:07.000 Yeah, keep trying.

01:18:10.000 For sure, for sure.

01:18:11.000 I think a lot of people who watch this show even were probably like, oh yeah, I used to vote Democrat.

01:18:15.000 Then we started paying attention and now we're just like, I'm not interested.

01:18:18.000 I'm not saying Republicans are going to solve your problems.

01:18:19.000 I don't think they are.

01:18:20.000 I think they're going to do a lot of nothing.

01:18:21.000 I like your metaphor about the shields creating more than the finger trap.

01:18:24.000 Because it's like, if you're angry about what you're communicating because you've been upset by what they did, then people can tell and they don't want to listen.

01:18:31.000 But if you don't have that resistance, And you're just stating it.

01:18:35.000 Yeah, Biden, you know, he bribed those guys to fire that prosecutor so that Burisma didn't get investigated.

01:18:40.000 That's pretty much, that's a fact I saw on TV.

01:18:43.000 I should say... I'm not mad about it.

01:18:45.000 It happened.

01:18:47.000 Why did Biden do it?

01:18:48.000 Well, we can say it's corruption either way because Telling a foreign country that you will withhold aid to them unless they fire someone, that's a corrupt act.

01:18:57.000 He doesn't have the authority to do that.

01:18:59.000 And they even told him that and he bragged about it and said, call the president, see what he says.

01:19:01.000 Like, wow, he's bragging about superseding the will of the people.

01:19:05.000 That's crazy.

01:19:06.000 Now, did he do it to protect his son?

01:19:08.000 That's a question that needs to be answered through an investigation.

01:19:10.000 What do we know?

01:19:11.000 The prosecutor was investigating Burisma.

01:19:14.000 His son was on the board.

01:19:15.000 Joe Biden did intervene.

01:19:16.000 You want to talk about motives or incentives?

01:19:18.000 I don't care.

01:19:19.000 He did it.

01:19:20.000 So now you investigate, look into emails, determine whether or not he did it to protect his son or not.

01:19:25.000 But either way, he bragged about doing it.

01:19:27.000 Now when we say that, who's telling the truth?

01:19:30.000 I mean, That's a conversation I had with my dad a couple, few days ago about the facts, because he was like, when he watches this show from time to time, he's like, oh, you guys are saying wrong.

01:19:38.000 The wrong information is what you're saying is wrong.

01:19:40.000 And I'm like, well, what's right?

01:19:42.000 What's true?

01:19:43.000 There's so much information being shoved into.

01:19:45.000 And he was actually like, but I mean, what's true?

01:19:47.000 How do you know what's true?

01:19:48.000 You get 80 million different pieces of information from 80 million different sources.

01:19:53.000 And they're all, they're all.

01:19:55.000 Like, they might be right, they might be wrong, so it's like... We get things wrong.

01:19:59.000 Yeah, of course.

01:20:00.000 The things we get wrong aren't like core details on major political events.

01:20:04.000 The things we get wrong are like, I'll say a caliber of a gun and then someone will chat and be like, Tim, you're wrong about that, it's actually this, and I'll go, oh, that was a mistake.

01:20:11.000 Yeah, but to them, you're in the same category as QAnon people who believe all sorts of crazy stuff, right? 0.96

01:20:17.000 And we're not.

01:20:18.000 Right, but that's not how they see it.

01:20:20.000 But they are.

01:20:22.000 The Blue Anon people and QAnon people, they would get along seemingly in their weird beliefs and things that aren't true. 1.00

01:20:29.000 Yeah, you tend to see in others what's in you.

01:20:31.000 But look, QAnon is fringe.

01:20:34.000 Mainstream conservatives and libertarians aren't entertaining QAnon people. 1.00

01:20:41.000 Yeah, I mean, I agree.

01:20:49.000 Like, you know, I would say that in Silicon Valley, the Republicans justifiably lost like any support for the future with like Cheney and Bush.

01:20:59.000 And I would say the same thing today, that, like, the Democrats have equally deserved, like, no support in the future from any of these— if anybody who's principled, I would say quit.

01:21:09.000 What concerns me about that— Quit your party if you're a Democrat, for sure.

01:21:11.000 But if you go to your average Republican and ask them about some crazy conspiracy, they might give you a half-baked answer where it's like, well, I don't know, but, you know, these things I think are weird, and I read this somewhere.

01:21:23.000 If you go to your mainstream Democrat and ask them about, like, Russia and stuff, they're probably gonna be like, yeah, I think he did it. 0.87

01:21:29.000 Sure.

01:21:30.000 And it's like, even though Mueller proved it wasn't true, even though now with the Sussman trial, we're learning about Hillary Clinton's role in signing off on these things, they're gonna be like, I don't know about that.

01:21:38.000 I mean, first of all, I'm steel manning my friends here, just so you know, but, you know, they would say, well, yeah, we know that there was all this stuff that's like shady about the report that came out of England or whatever, but we still know that there's like, collusion happening between Trump and Russia.

01:22:00.000 Like we know that he has hotel deals he wants in Moscow.

01:22:03.000 And they'll say stuff like that.

01:22:05.000 And to some degree, you can't be as successful as Donald Trump was without having to bend the law

01:22:14.000 a little bit in places.

01:22:16.000 For sure.

01:22:17.000 You know, and so we talk about Trump and the things we actually don't like about his presidency relatively often, drone strikes and, you know, why that happened, things like that.

01:22:28.000 Donald Trump, whether it was him or someone else, Trump hotels were being advertised on a State Department website.

01:22:34.000 Like, these are bad things.

01:22:35.000 Trump tried to have, I think, the G7 at Trump Doral in Florida.

01:22:38.000 Like, really bad thing.

01:22:39.000 You shouldn't do it.

01:22:40.000 And Trump was like, but I'm gonna do it at cost.

01:22:42.000 And I said, so what?

01:22:43.000 You're still maintaining your business through a government contract.

01:22:45.000 I think that's wrong.

01:22:46.000 I got no problem saying that.

01:22:48.000 But then you hear from a lot of these people, they won't even bother watching a show like this.

01:22:53.000 I mean, let alone Google searching half the news that comes out.

01:22:56.000 That to me, I'm sorry if I'm a little pessimistic in that regard, but I think, you know, we talk about technology and all these things, and I don't think that's the issue.

01:23:04.000 I do think.

01:23:05.000 We need technology to be developed because there may come a time when we get cut off completely from Silicon Valley.

01:23:11.000 If a civil war really is coming, or we're in one, fourth, fifth generational warfare, whatever it may be, what do you think is going to happen to the anti-establishment when states start breaking apart?

01:23:23.000 San Francisco is going to be like, eliminate all the IPs from states that we don't like.

01:23:28.000 And then how will you communicate?

01:23:29.000 What will you be using?

01:23:30.000 There's going to need to be something.

01:23:32.000 So that, in that sense, technology.

01:23:34.000 That's why, you know, I like Rumble Cloud Service because I'm like, they might censor me, so.

01:23:39.000 What you said earlier, Aaron, was interesting that Silicon Valley people there got disenfranchised with the Republicans, with Bush and Cheney, and then now they're being disenfranchised with this ridiculousness on the Democrats' side.

01:23:49.000 I hope so.

01:23:50.000 I mean, that would be my hope.

01:23:51.000 I'm not there anymore.

01:23:52.000 But the problem with that is that who do they care about now?

01:23:55.000 Well, they care about the corporation.

01:23:56.000 So who's the new authority?

01:23:57.000 The corporation?

01:23:58.000 I mean, if Google thinks it's running the show now because the politicians are incompetent, that's kind of like maybe even worse.

01:24:04.000 I don't know.

01:24:05.000 What's worse, an incompetent president or a corporation that thinks it's in charge?

01:24:11.000 I don't know.

01:24:11.000 That's a good question.

01:24:13.000 I would hope that they're still anti-corporation, too.

01:24:16.000 I mean, the left was supposed to always be anti-corporation from my entire life.

01:24:22.000 Another pro-corporate.

01:24:25.000 I can't even stop at Google.

01:24:26.000 It's Alphabet, which is owned by BlackRock.

01:24:28.000 I mean, it's in part owned by BlackRock State Street Vanguard. 0.75

01:24:32.000 Yeah, and that is that is purely a result of the propaganda to, like, try to scare people about, like, you know, the corporations are only hope against these evil racists in Kentucky or whatever, who, you know, are going to, you know, would be throwing gay people off of buildings if they had their way. 0.81

01:24:47.000 So.

01:24:50.000 Well, now there's like a big scandal in the UK because they were flying the Union Jack over some street and all these leftists are like, this is what the Nazis did.

01:25:00.000 And it's like, yo, it's your country's flag.

01:25:02.000 Like just because the Nazis drank water doesn't mean you shouldn't drink water, you know?

01:25:06.000 I'm thinking about Posobiec.

01:25:07.000 I don't know if you guys heard Jack Posobiec.

01:25:09.000 He went to Davos a couple days ago and was detained by Klaus Schwab's personal guard.

01:25:14.000 I don't know if they were private police.

01:25:15.000 They were police.

01:25:16.000 Yeah.

01:25:16.000 Were they private police?

01:25:17.000 No.

01:25:17.000 Swiss police?

01:25:18.000 It looks like they were just cops.

01:25:19.000 I was told they were private.

01:25:20.000 I could be wrong.

01:25:21.000 Okay.

01:25:21.000 They were wearing police on their uniforms.

01:25:23.000 So maybe it was police.

01:25:24.000 Maybe it was corporate security.

01:25:26.000 I don't know.

01:25:26.000 They were wearing police on their uniforms.

01:25:28.000 Yeah.

01:25:29.000 So maybe it was Swiss police.

01:25:31.000 Let's just stop there that I don't know for sure if it was if it was a private guard.

01:25:34.000 But, you know, you see these corporate private guard and they don't care about the law.

01:25:38.000 They care about serving the corporation where they get paid.

01:25:41.000 That's that's where I think that's the fear.

01:25:44.000 I'm not so worried about the politics.

01:25:45.000 I'm worried about these corporations that are sneaking and trying to buy up land.

01:25:50.000 Bill Gates was the single largest owner of farmland.

01:25:54.000 That doesn't mean he owns all of the farmland.

01:25:56.000 It means for a single entity, he owns more than anybody else.

01:26:00.000 That's a lot.

01:26:01.000 It's weird.

01:26:03.000 I don't trust the guy.

01:26:04.000 Yeah.

01:26:04.000 I don't want to pile on the guy, but man, he is, he is a weird... And where's Luke at?

01:26:09.000 He's coming.

01:26:10.000 We need him to pile on Bill Gates.

01:26:11.000 I hear you, Luke.

01:26:12.000 Is Luke in the chat?

01:26:14.000 I don't know.

01:26:14.000 Probably.

01:26:15.000 Hi, Luke, if you're watching.

01:26:17.000 Luke Rutkowski, ladies and gentlemen.

01:26:18.000 We are Change.

01:26:19.000 Big fan.

01:26:20.000 Yeah, I mean, it's funny how you have this belief, or I don't know how you describe it, but You have multinational corporations, politicians, they meet together in big international conferences.

01:26:36.000 The New York Times are invited guests at the World Economic Forum, along with world leaders and people like Bill Gates, where they're talking about really horrifying things like, what do they say, implantable biotracking or whatever, for your lives, tracking your carbon footprint.

01:26:52.000 Yeah, for better compliance.

01:26:55.000 Yep.

01:26:56.000 They talk about like mandating health requirements stuff.

01:26:59.000 It's so crazy because it's not American. 1.00

01:27:00.000 For a while it was like, I just disbelieve it.

01:27:02.000 I couldn't even begin to believe that people thought that way because I'm like, no, I was born in America.

01:27:07.000 First Amendment is paramount.

01:27:08.000 You don't do that to people.

01:27:10.000 That doesn't happen.

01:27:11.000 But now I'm realizing they're not from America. 0.96

01:27:12.000 They're not from the United States.

01:27:13.000 They don't think like that. 0.96

01:27:14.000 This is like authoritarian, weird, European, pseudo-communist, fascist, Nazi stuff.

01:27:21.000 I hate the term free speech absolutism because it kind of begs the question, but the American First Amendment conception of free speech is not unique in the world, but it's very rare.

01:27:37.000 And I think one of my worries is that I think it should be becoming increasingly rare just in a gut conception of what free speech is in the younger generation.

01:27:46.000 In millennials now, Gen Z is even more so.

01:27:49.000 And to address what you're saying, is the government the worst, is the corporations the worst?

01:27:54.000 I would split the difference and say the worst possible state of affairs is one where both the government and corporations are competing to please each other.

01:28:03.000 That you have in place a corporate apparatus that can do things that a state would like it to do without repercussions.

01:28:12.000 So people are saying that the police actually were wearing badges that said World Economic Forum Police on their arms.

01:28:18.000 So that's actually what Jack, he stated they were World Economic Forum Police.

01:28:22.000 So it's a private company and they have the word police on it, which is interesting because I used to think of police as a public service, but not in Switzerland apparently.

01:28:31.000 I mean, it's not surprising in Switzerland.

01:28:33.000 No, it's not.

01:28:34.000 But it's terrifying.

01:28:34.000 I've been to Davos, man.

01:28:35.000 There was a big blizzard.

01:28:37.000 It was crazy.

01:28:39.000 Everybody who was there was, like, betting on crypto for the future.

01:28:41.000 All these ultra-rich people.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, you guys got deep in crypto?

01:28:45.000 Not really, no.

01:28:47.000 I mean, crypto is something we've been looking at a lot recently.

01:28:52.000 It's actually, it's been overhyped and we're kind of disappointed that we wanted to find a lot of anti-establishment engineers to kind of just make these kind of decentralized things and open source things that, you know, help free us from the oligopoly.

01:29:06.000 And unfortunately, a lot of the attention You know, I like to say, you know, all the elite engineers are either working for Google, but those who aren't are working for, they're trying to do cryptocurrency schemes.

01:29:19.000 And some of them are, you know, Bitcoin works.

01:29:22.000 You know, it's great.

01:29:23.000 A lot of these things are just complete nonsense.

01:29:25.000 They don't work.

01:29:26.000 They're not going to work.

01:29:28.000 I remember in the early days.

01:29:30.000 Yeah, I remember in the early days there were just hundreds of coins that were derivative of Bitcoin and people were just trading between them and it was nonsense.

01:29:41.000 It was like they were all basically just slight alterations of Bitcoin for some reason people bought.

01:29:46.000 The craziest thing was when there would be a coin That was the lowest possible value it could be.

01:29:53.000 Like, you know, eighth decimal point of a cent.

01:29:57.000 So if you bought a ton of it, it could only double.

01:30:01.000 So people would do it!

01:30:02.000 So people would put like a thousand bucks into the most worthless thing possible, because at the very least you sold it and got your money back because it couldn't go any lower.

01:30:10.000 It's the weirdest thing.

01:30:11.000 And then if it went up to two, you doubled your money and you pulled out.

01:30:15.000 Crazy back in the day with crypto.

01:30:17.000 It was just weird stuff.

01:30:18.000 Game of Hot Potato, Ponzi schemes, whatever.

01:30:20.000 Yeah, you need utility.

01:30:21.000 I like the Minds coin as an example because you use one coin on the Minds network to get a thousand views of advertising.

01:30:28.000 Yeah, Bill's been really good about making sure mines is not like what I was talking about.

01:30:35.000 It's not treated more seriously than it should be, and it's kind of useful.

01:30:41.000 They didn't take a pre-sale.

01:30:42.000 The CEO didn't take 20% of the coins before they went live.

01:30:45.000 They just all went live.

01:30:46.000 He buys them just like everyone else.

01:30:48.000 He has to get them just like everyone else does.

01:30:50.000 That's a legitimate thing.

01:30:51.000 And then they won't nail it as a securities fraud.

01:30:53.000 It's not a Ponzi scheme.

01:30:54.000 It actually has value on the network.

01:30:57.000 But then, do you need crypto?

01:30:59.000 Well, you gotta be able to defend yourself against the SWIFT payment system if they want to cut off your bank account.

01:31:04.000 I don't know if you need crypto, necessarily, but you need... Like, couldn't you just make, like, the Mines coin?

01:31:08.000 You know, Facebook did this before, remember, when they tried making their own currency?

01:31:12.000 Yeah, I mean, they did try.

01:31:14.000 Libra.

01:31:14.000 And Telegram did, too.

01:31:15.000 No, no, even before Libra, I'm pretty sure they had, like, Facebook coin or something.

01:31:18.000 Oh! 0.60

01:31:19.000 Yeah, before crypto.

01:31:20.000 They were, like, tokens you could get for, like, the games or whatever.

01:31:23.000 I mean, yeah, that's just, that's not even a blockchain, that's just... Right, no, it's like... It's like an in-app purchase in a video game.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, and it's like having gems in Zelda, you know, but you can use them on Facebook.

01:31:33.000 Yeah.

01:31:35.000 My understanding is Diablo 2 gold was actually like a usable currency in some countries for a while.

01:31:42.000 Oh yeah, World of Warcraft gold also?

01:31:45.000 That actually had value.

01:31:46.000 Because they were, you know, people wanted it so they were farming it and selling it.

01:31:50.000 But now World of Warcraft allows you to just buy, you know, buy gold.

01:31:54.000 You buy a token that gives someone a month of gameplay and then they spend 20,000 gold on it so then the economy is totally manipulated.

01:32:00.000 You know, I just want to say this.

01:32:01.000 Guys, if you like If you're not a fan of communism, if you want to explain inflation to somebody, just introduce them to World of Warcraft.

01:32:12.000 Or if you know any socialists who play, just ask them, have they ever noticed why it makes no sense that linen costs like 30 gold?

01:32:20.000 So let me simplify this for you guys.

01:32:22.000 You don't need to be a fan of the video games or anything like that to understand why this is important.

01:32:26.000 Or how it's a good, you know, reference for people.

01:32:29.000 In the early days of World of Warcraft, there's a game mechanic called Professions.

01:32:36.000 So when you go out and you're fighting bandits and then they die, you take their clothes.

01:32:41.000 You get linen cloth.

01:32:42.000 You can then use that cloth to make armor.

01:32:45.000 Or you can do leatherworking.

01:32:47.000 You kill a boar and then you skin it and take its leather.

01:32:50.000 It used to be worthless, because the value of the item you got was comparable to the level you were.

01:32:58.000 If you just started the game and it's easy to kill these things, it's not very valuable now, is it?

01:33:03.000 But then they rolled out the mass printing of currency by allowing you to buy money.

01:33:08.000 So if you start the game, you can be like, I want to buy the best item, so I'm going to give hard US cash to just have all the gold I want without doing any work for it.

01:33:15.000 Well, what ends up happening is, now, the lowest level items cost obscene amounts of money.

01:33:21.000 If you start the game off, you'll have no way of making that money.

01:33:24.000 I guess it's just hyperinflation.

01:33:26.000 You get the land and then you sell it for a bunch of money, and then the economy makes literally no sense anymore.

01:33:31.000 That's what the mass printing of money does.

01:33:33.000 Makes everything cost more, and World of Warcraft is the easiest way to make these young Gen Z or millennial socialists understand it.

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01:33:50.000 And let's read what y'all got to say.

01:33:53.000 Mr. Swaggerwagon says, is it possible for you to get Elon on the podcast?

01:33:57.000 I would trade the entirety of my wealth for that episode.

01:34:00.000 Gotta have Ian also.

01:34:02.000 Those two dudes having a talk would be priceless. 0.94

01:34:05.000 Your name is Eron.

01:34:07.000 Yes.

01:34:07.000 It's not Elon.

01:34:08.000 No.

01:34:09.000 But do you know him?

01:34:10.000 Do not know him.

01:34:12.000 Sorry.

01:34:12.000 Yeah, I want to talk to him about terraforming Mars.

01:34:14.000 I've got some ideas about, like, magnetic transportation between orbital platforms.

01:34:19.000 Talk about, like, regrowing the coral in the ocean with microfragmentation and stuff.

01:34:25.000 I think it'll be a great conversation.

01:34:26.000 You know what would be a really interesting conversation, if he was here?

01:34:29.000 It's why we haven't gotten Starlink yet!

01:34:31.000 Oh yeah, apparently it's not quite working if you're on the road yet, but that's what they're aiming for.

01:34:37.000 No, they just announced it.

01:34:38.000 Starlink for RVs, they announced.

01:34:40.000 So I'm subscribed to residential, business, and RV, and I'm like, where's that at?

01:34:44.000 Come on, what are you doing?

01:34:44.000 They said that it works best if the RV's parked.

01:34:46.000 If you're driving, that it cuts in and out still, but that's not the intention.

01:34:50.000 But I'm just saying, you know, we'll get Elon on the show, and I'll just be like, where's my Starlink?

01:34:55.000 No, I tweeted at him, come on the show, bring Starlink.

01:34:58.000 Okay, good.

01:34:59.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 Yeah, he's not gonna do it.

01:35:00.000 I'd love to see it, too.

01:35:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:03.000 I don't know, man.

01:35:03.000 Maybe whenever it's up to Elon, I guess.

01:35:05.000 Yeah, we're gonna terraform Mars, dude.

01:35:06.000 We're gonna melt all that ice underneath the iron-rich dust that's gonna then fertilize the ocean and regrow plankton.

01:35:11.000 There's no atmosphere.

01:35:12.000 Not yet.

01:35:13.000 All of that water will just drift off into space.

01:35:15.000 I wonder.

01:35:16.000 Yes.

01:35:16.000 I wonder how much ice there is there.

01:35:18.000 It'll all go off into outer space.

01:35:19.000 I don't know.

01:35:20.000 Yes.

01:35:20.000 Yeah, I think it got hit and slowed down, Mars.

01:35:22.000 You need a certain amount of gravity to hold an atmosphere in.

01:35:26.000 So if... I could be completely wrong about this, but I was reading about why we can't colonize Mars.

01:35:30.000 Yeah, I'm actually more bullish on what they call the O'Neill Cylinder, which is like, you know, the hollowed out asteroid that's rotating.

01:35:38.000 And you could do that in low-Earth orbit, and you won't have deaths when people have problems on Mars, because they can just get to Earth pretty quickly.

01:35:46.000 But you do have a habitat that's exterior from the Earth ecosystem.

01:35:52.000 We just need faster-than-light travel.

01:35:56.000 We need to figure out how to rip holes in the fabric of spacetime.

01:35:58.000 I think that's the Alcubierre drive.

01:35:59.000 It's a warp drive technology.

01:36:01.000 Yeah, I mean, we need more people like Elon who are trying to get stuff done.

01:36:06.000 Because if we're just going to wait for faster than light travel, it's probably not going to be something we get.

01:36:12.000 Star Trek tech is probably not going to be something we get.

01:36:15.000 But I definitely would love to get off this planet.

01:36:18.000 I was always a big fan of Star Trek.

01:36:22.000 Yeah, but if we should just do what we can with what we know now, if we do, if we do colonize Mars, it's going to be underground or it's gonna be big domes.

01:36:31.000 You won't go outside.

01:36:32.000 It's gonna have to be controlled environments inside.

01:36:34.000 Uh, yeah.

01:36:36.000 If we do seed bombing, you retrofit C 60 bomber planes or like drones and you can drop like a billion seeds per day of trees.

01:36:43.000 And like, they don't, they don't catch, like if you're doing it by hand, but so many of them land and if we can start growing trees, there's no atmosphere.

01:36:49.000 Yeah.

01:36:49.000 But if there's, there's carbon dioxide coming out of the water, There's not enough gravity to hold the atmosphere in, get it?

01:36:55.000 Yeah, I'm wondering if- So it just goes off into space.

01:36:57.000 The dust, the soil, or whatever you want to call it, the substrate is also drier, I think, than any desert on Earth by a factor of like, you know, three times or something like that.

01:37:06.000 It needs to be heated up so that ice melts.

01:37:08.000 Now, Venus! 0.96

01:37:10.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:37:11.000 Yeah, like Cloud City in Empire Strikes Back.

01:37:14.000 Exactly.

01:37:15.000 Yeah, they talk about how because there's very dense gases, you can actually build easily floating cities.

01:37:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:21.000 I shouldn't say easily, but like theoretically.

01:37:23.000 It's a cinch.

01:37:25.000 You hollow out large structures and then you vacuum it out so they float like boats above the dense atmosphere.

01:37:30.000 And you have one atmosphere of pressure and you have actually one gravity, close to one gravity, so it's much more hospitable than Mars, I think, will ever be.

01:37:38.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:37:40.000 We got Ian Hawley's head.

01:37:41.000 He said, Civil War, drink!

01:37:43.000 That's right.

01:37:44.000 Drink water.

01:37:44.000 I'll say it ten more times if you're really gonna take shots.

01:37:46.000 Civil War.

01:37:47.000 Texas Ranger says, Tim, should we bring back asylums to lock up those with mental illness who are a threat to themselves and others?

01:37:54.000 I mean, we still lock up people who are a threat to themselves and others.

01:37:57.000 It's called the 5150. 0.97

01:37:58.000 My parents met at a mental institution.

01:38:00.000 That explains it.

01:38:01.000 They worked there.

01:38:02.000 They worked there.

01:38:03.000 They got married in the chapel there.

01:38:05.000 It sounded so much different the first way he said it.

01:38:09.000 Everyone's like, now we understand.

01:38:12.000 All right.

01:38:13.000 Andy Staheli says, what is your opinion on teachers conceal carrying?

01:38:17.000 Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.

01:38:19.000 Lids is the reason Timcast works, shouts.

01:38:25.000 I think everybody has a right to keep in bare arms.

01:38:27.000 It doesn't matter if you're a teacher or not, janitor or whatever.

01:38:31.000 Even the kids.

01:38:33.000 I don't own guns, but I like that my neighbors own guns.

01:38:39.000 Does the Constitution set an age limit for any of the amendments?

01:38:43.000 Do 12-year-olds not have a First Amendment right?

01:38:45.000 Serious question.

01:38:46.000 I think they do.

01:38:48.000 They do some places and they don't others.

01:38:50.000 There's cases about First Amendment rights of students in schools.

01:38:53.000 What about Fourth Amendment?

01:38:56.000 Also, at least in the context of school, their Fourth Amendment rights are somewhat different.

01:39:01.000 There are cases, I mean, they still have a Fourth Amendment right, but it is reasonable to search them in a wider variety of circumstances than, say, a man on the street.

01:39:09.000 I mean, cops can basically just search you.

01:39:11.000 I mean, like, we have a Fourth Amendment right, but they can detain you and they can frisk you.

01:39:17.000 Um, yeah, there's the, um, shoot, I'm forgetting the case.

01:39:22.000 Somebody versus Ohio. 0.79

01:39:23.000 Yes, they can frisk you for weapons and that and that people have said that that's been, you know, abused and all that.

01:39:27.000 But you still have a reasonable expectation of privacy as walking down the street that is a relatively, relatively broad, broader than a student's in a school.

01:39:35.000 Is that Terry versus Ohio?

01:39:37.000 Terry versus Ohio.

01:39:37.000 That's it.

01:39:38.000 I'm sorry.

01:39:38.000 I don't know about school, but I think kids have a right to keep their arms the same as adults.

01:39:44.000 I just think the parents have to be responsible for them.

01:39:46.000 And I'm not saying it's the way it should be.

01:39:48.000 I'm saying if you look back at how history was, kids were handed weapons.

01:39:53.000 You know, kids would go out.

01:39:55.000 There's a boar, you know, in the field.

01:39:57.000 You got to, you got to stop it.

01:39:58.000 It's destroying.

01:39:59.000 So they'd give the kid a weapon and they would call up very young people to fight and defend their property from threats, both foreign and domestic.

01:40:06.000 If these things are to be changed, then you need to have a convention of states and change them.

01:40:11.000 But I don't know.

01:40:12.000 Maybe, maybe I'm wrong.

01:40:13.000 Maybe there's precedent saying children do not qualify as the people because they fall into the jurisdiction of their parents or something like that until they enter the age of majority.

01:40:21.000 All right.

01:40:22.000 But as for teachers, yeah, good.

01:40:24.000 They should.

01:40:25.000 Teachers, janitors, principal, they should all.

01:40:27.000 All of them.

01:40:28.000 The teacher could have an AR-15 on their back.

01:40:30.000 I think they should.

01:40:31.000 I think they should have a holstered weapon.

01:40:33.000 I mean, the thing is, if the kids can't, shouldn't be able to go grab it.

01:40:37.000 But if it's locked in a safe, maybe, then you're gonna see a lot less attacks, I would think.

01:40:42.000 Kids are not gonna grab it if it's holstered properly or whatever.

01:40:45.000 I mean, I guess if you have a rifle.

01:40:47.000 What was, was the teacher in this situation allowed to have a weapon or not?

01:40:52.000 In Texas?

01:40:53.000 Yeah.

01:40:53.000 I don't know anything about it.

01:40:54.000 I mean, it's Texas.

01:40:54.000 They have constitutional carry.

01:40:56.000 Even for teachers in schools?

01:40:58.000 I don't know.

01:40:59.000 Constitutional carry, does that, are there, you know, gun-free zones still when they have, when they've passed that?

01:41:05.000 That's interesting.

01:41:07.000 There are in Texas.

01:41:08.000 There are certain establishments that make more than 51% of their... 50 plus 1% of their revenue from alcohol still you can't carry in, and there's a few others.

01:41:19.000 Really?

01:41:19.000 Interesting.

01:41:20.000 Robert Muir says, if we watch and do nothing, they will win.

01:41:25.000 Yes.

01:41:27.000 Boof says, Aaron and Ian, what's the biggest cyber vulnerability people face in 2022 that the average person isn't aware of?

01:41:36.000 Well, I mean, I would just 2020 things can get worse.

01:41:40.000 Like we never thought the political censorship would happen five years ago, and it wound up happening.

01:41:45.000 It might not happen in 2022.

01:41:48.000 But the things we should watch out for are things like they want to make it so that it's impossible to connect to the internet anonymously.

01:41:56.000 Like we should make sure that that's all it's always allowed to connect to the internet anonymously, things like that.

01:42:02.000 What do you think, Ian?

01:42:03.000 I think it's building on what I was just saying about corporations versus government.

01:42:06.000 The biggest vulnerability, from my perspective, is a situation where the government can ask a corporation to enforce a dictate that it would not otherwise be able to do.

01:42:16.000 What I'm worried about is the executive branch of this country being able to say, we would like so-and-so deplatformed, we would like so-and-so removed from public discourse.

01:42:25.000 and Silicon Valley, a company there, having the ability to do so and obliging them.

01:42:32.000 Just knowing that they'll get a favor from the government in return or whatever, because

01:42:36.000 the government could not do that on their own.

01:42:40.000 Dang Lin Wang says, Ian, look into the Eye of Sahara Atlantis theory.

01:42:44.000 Critics who say it's false also say Atlantis was never real to begin with.

01:42:48.000 Right up your alley.

01:42:49.000 Yeah, it's the Rakat structure.

01:42:51.000 It's in Mauritania, Africa.

01:42:52.000 Everyone should look this up on Google Map or some sort of satellite map imagery.

01:42:57.000 If you look up the Rakat structure, it is the ringed city of Atlantis.

01:43:01.000 I mean, with almost undeniable proof.

01:43:05.000 It's about the same size, I think, that Plato said it was.

01:43:08.000 And it's got like water flow areas where it looks like they dug out like a canal to the water.

01:43:13.000 I mean, it looks human that humans were involved.

01:43:15.000 You can see ancient rivers and stuff all around there that are all dried out now.

01:43:18.000 All right, Sam Whitehurst says, anytime I have a philosophical dilemma, I end up imagining Tim and Ian having one of their classic arguments representing the two sides of my brain.

01:43:26.000 Love you guys and all your work.

01:43:27.000 Ian, if you're ever in Florida, let's start a circle, man.

01:43:30.000 Oh, I like it.

01:43:31.000 A drum circle?

01:43:31.000 I'm in.

01:43:32.000 Drum circle.

01:43:33.000 Should imagine it's not like an angel or a devil.

01:43:35.000 It's me and Ian.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:43:37.000 You're wearing all black.

01:43:38.000 We should do a bit where it's like Star Trek, where Seamus is trying to make a hard decision.

01:43:42.000 Yes.

01:43:42.000 And you're giving him like a strong emotional argument.

01:43:44.000 I'm giving a strong logical argument.

01:43:45.000 Yes.

01:43:46.000 That'd be funny.

01:43:48.000 All right.

01:43:49.000 DanibusX says, as a longtime member, as a longtime member is of Patriots.win, the successor to the Donald, we referred to editing comments as spez since that incident as a tribute to the head of Reddit.

01:44:03.000 That was his username.

01:44:04.000 But let me just stress that point.

01:44:05.000 For those that don't know, the CEO of Reddit was so angry that he was being made fun of, he went into the database and changed what users had said about him.

01:44:16.000 Yo, that's crazy.

01:44:17.000 It's so dangerous.

01:44:18.000 He should have been, he should, like the board should have removed him.

01:44:21.000 He should have been fired.

01:44:22.000 I mean, that's what, I guess he is the board, right?

01:44:25.000 Like, yeah, that's part of the problem.

01:44:27.000 Like, I wonder if these companies, these, these tech companies should even have a board or a leader.

01:44:32.000 Like, I know you guys with right now are starting up, um, like, uh, it's a, it's a C Corp.

01:44:38.000 Yeah.

01:44:39.000 The FUDO.

01:44:39.000 So you're in charge.

01:44:41.000 Yeah.

01:44:42.000 But like, at what point do you, well, it's not a social media network, first of all.

01:44:47.000 Well, it was kind of what I was talking about with trust.

01:44:49.000 I would hope that over time, Futo, if we're successful, we'll have enough of a track record that individuals can decide that the things that we kind of give a stamp of approval have been vetted and are doing the right thing.

01:45:04.000 In terms of the situation with Reddit, I mean, absolutely, all these companies need to totally open up their moderation process.

01:45:13.000 League of Legends did a very interesting thing when they launched, where their moderation for their chat in League of Legends had an open process for deciding who would have their chat privileges removed.

01:45:25.000 There's no reason why every tech company can't open up their moderation process.

01:45:29.000 So we see exactly how these decisions are made, and the Reddit guy would have seen what he did.

01:45:36.000 All right.

01:45:41.000 Memotype says if only we'd all listened, if only we'd have all listened to Richard Stallman from the beginning, we wouldn't be here.

01:45:48.000 You know, problem with Stallman, and this is one of the most interesting, I think of him as Yoda, the Yoda of the tech.

01:45:52.000 He's of, if the force is real, he's Yoda.

01:45:54.000 But he's like a troll, like he likes trolling people.

01:45:57.000 And he called it free software, even though it makes it sound like it doesn't cost anything.

01:46:02.000 It just means that the software code can be shared freely.

01:46:05.000 Free as in speech, not free as in beer.

01:46:06.000 Yeah.

01:46:07.000 And he's like, ha ha ha, you know, he likes that it's confusing.

01:46:11.000 That's the problem with that guy, I think.

01:46:13.000 I love, I mean, I have much love for the man, but that's that's my criticism of why people aren't listening to him.

01:46:17.000 Yeah, he also never really thought about how to, like, incentivize programmers.

01:46:21.000 Like, you should be able to write software and ask people to pay you for it.

01:46:26.000 Like, maybe it can still be open source, but you could say, like, hey, give me ten bucks, give me a box of cookies, or whatever, if you're using this software, and if you don't, like, you should delete it.

01:46:35.000 Yeah.

01:46:36.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:46:38.000 Michael Guinness says, I was looking at who was running in my district in New York and I didn't see any Republicans running.

01:46:44.000 I was thinking of registering Republican and applying to run just for the lulz.

01:46:47.000 You say just for the lulz, but this is how you win.

01:46:49.000 Like there, how many stories it's like the guy didn't really think it was going to be funny.

01:46:53.000 And then all of a sudden you find out you win.

01:46:55.000 If there's, if there's no Republican running your district and the GOP is at record turnout, people are going to be like, don't know.

01:47:01.000 Don't care.

01:47:02.000 Not Democrat rubber stamp.

01:47:04.000 You'll end up winning.

01:47:05.000 So, you know, Hey, go for it.

01:47:08.000 Christopher Knowles says, children fail to self-regulate regularly.

01:47:12.000 I think parental limitations of children is for the sake of their own future self-regulation.

01:47:16.000 Is parental limitation censorship?

01:47:19.000 I think one of the challenges is, at what point does the government act as the parent because the parents, you know, the government doesn't like what the parents are doing.

01:47:28.000 Like truancy laws or curfew laws and things like that.

01:47:32.000 Yeah, if you give a little, they're gonna take a lot.

01:47:34.000 I think for sure parents are censoring their children.

01:47:36.000 They're deciding what they can and can't eat, what they can and can't watch, where they can and can't go.

01:47:41.000 That's your job.

01:47:42.000 That's your job as a parent.

01:47:43.000 That's one of your main jobs.

01:47:44.000 In Chicago, if you're under 18, I think under 17 actually, you can't go outside after a certain time.

01:47:49.000 6pm.

01:47:52.000 Well, that's new.

01:47:53.000 I mean, it's always been, I think, 10-30 or something like that.

01:47:56.000 The cops will... I just remember at, uh, like 11-15, just after, when I was 16, I believe I was 26 days from turning 17, but I got my, my curfew violation in high school.

01:48:05.000 Where?

01:48:05.000 In Chicago.

01:48:06.000 In Chicago.

01:48:06.000 Right, so the cops pull up, and they're like, get in the car.

01:48:09.000 And they take you home, and then your parents have to sign off on it.

01:48:12.000 That is insane to me.

01:48:14.000 That there are hours where you are not allowed to be outside because you're under 17 or 18 or whatever.

01:48:19.000 It's 17, I think, right?

01:48:21.000 In Chicago at the time, it was 17.

01:48:22.000 When I was 16, it was 17.

01:48:23.000 I don't know what it's currently, you know, right now, but think about back in the day when it's like you were working on a farm.

01:48:28.000 You'd go outside when you had to go outside.

01:48:30.000 It didn't matter how late it was.

01:48:32.000 You know, you were, you had to be responsible.

01:48:34.000 Now it's like the government is just, it's a nanny state, you know?

01:48:40.000 Yeah, darkness is a little freaky or can be, things can hide.

01:48:45.000 All right, Bootless Regent says, I don't know why I'm doing this, but it's my birthday today and I would like to get a shout out for tomorrow when I am listening to this.

01:48:53.000 Love your work.

01:48:54.000 Shout out, Bootless Regent. 1.00

01:48:55.000 Happy birthday.

01:48:56.000 Happy birthday, bro.

01:48:58.000 Happy birthday.

01:48:59.000 Poor girl. 1.00

01:49:00.000 The man, the legend says Bill Gates made his first billion selling DOS.

01:49:04.000 Yeah, I think he bought it for 50 grand.

01:49:07.000 He did a deal, so my understanding is he did a deal with IBM saying, I can get an operating system for your home computers.

01:49:14.000 And they were like, okay, and then negotiated a deal like a dollar per machine or something like that.

01:49:18.000 And then probably more actually.

01:49:20.000 And then he didn't actually have an operating system.

01:49:22.000 He just, you know, said he did and then he went and found one and then brought it to them and got the licensing deal on it.

01:49:27.000 Good businessman!

01:49:28.000 There you go.

01:49:28.000 That's how they did He-Man too.

01:49:30.000 You guys ever see that documentary about He-Man?

01:49:31.000 The making of He-Man?

01:49:33.000 No.

01:49:33.000 It's epic.

01:49:34.000 It makes sense.

01:49:34.000 Epic.

01:49:35.000 Yeah.

01:49:36.000 Are we talking about the original cartoon?

01:49:37.000 The original cartoon.

01:49:37.000 They went in there like, we have a character and a comic and a cartoon and they're like, we want it.

01:49:42.000 So then they were like, we gotta build it.

01:49:43.000 I always thought it was like repurposed Conan the Barbarian toys that like, they couldn't get the license or something.

01:49:49.000 So they made their own IP to sell the same toys that were going to be Conan or something like that.

01:49:54.000 That's one way to do it, huh?

01:49:56.000 There's also like an epic saga behind the Dolph Lundgren movie that like, it was just like, uh, you know, from the beginning, a total, total mess.

01:50:04.000 I'm not sure.

01:50:05.000 All right.

01:50:06.000 Rilo704 says, please create uniform Linux software suites.

01:50:10.000 Apps that people actually want that isn't a repackaged 20-year-old program.

01:50:14.000 Package them as flat packs.

01:50:15.000 I will pay you handsomely for your work.

01:50:18.000 Okay.

01:50:18.000 Well, there you go.

01:50:19.000 Great.

01:50:20.000 We want to do that.

01:50:21.000 We want to encourage people to do that.

01:50:22.000 Exactly what he just said.

01:50:25.000 All right.

01:50:27.000 Brian Buck says, would you be interested in hearing opinions about DEC and its founder and CEO for years that did not fit the mold of the controlling narcissist type?

01:50:35.000 A tech CEO that maintained a modest life, lifestyle, and salary, and had one hell of a product.

01:50:41.000 Interesting.

01:50:42.000 There's also that president from Uruguay.

01:50:44.000 Remember that guy?

01:50:46.000 Yeah, he was a farmer.

01:50:47.000 What was his name?

01:50:47.000 Jose Mojica or something?

01:50:49.000 Maybe.

01:50:49.000 And he, like, had a crappy little car.

01:50:51.000 And he was, like, super chill.

01:50:52.000 And he was like, I don't care, whatever.

01:50:54.000 People really liked him.

01:50:55.000 Yeah.

01:50:56.000 Was he a farmer?

01:50:57.000 Probably smoked a lot of pot.

01:50:58.000 Yeah.

01:51:00.000 Louis Lacknoss, the new president.

01:51:02.000 Louis!

01:51:06.000 Steve Bearden says, Tim, shadow please.

01:51:07.000 I am a disabled vet with a special needs family trying to move to our homestead property in Alaska from Washington State.

01:51:14.000 We need help with our moving costs.

01:51:16.000 Thanks so much.

01:51:16.000 Give, send, go.

01:51:17.000 Mystical Wolf Acres.

01:51:19.000 Good luck, man.

01:51:20.000 Alaska.

01:51:21.000 We need to occupy Alaska.

01:51:23.000 We need to go there and start building.

01:51:26.000 I don't know what you'd eat.

01:51:28.000 I'm old.

01:51:30.000 Why is there no bridge to Russia?

01:51:32.000 Is that the most xenophobic thing ever?

01:51:33.000 Like, come on.

01:51:35.000 I don't think there's really a lot of commerce up there.

01:51:38.000 Bering Strait bridge?

01:51:40.000 How far is the Bering Strait?

01:51:41.000 Like 50 miles?

01:51:43.000 If I recall correctly, it's like a hundred miles to an uninhabited island and then another hundred miles across.

01:51:50.000 That's a very long bridge to inhabit the island.

01:51:53.000 I mean, it's possible, but I don't think there's enough commerce for it to make sense.

01:51:56.000 I think the island is inhabited.

01:51:59.000 Oh, okay, maybe.

01:52:00.000 By like a very small amount of people.

01:52:01.000 Very small, yeah.

01:52:03.000 It's like a field of dreams if you build it.

01:52:04.000 Bro, have you guys ever looked at the Aleutians?

01:52:06.000 Part of Alaska?

01:52:07.000 No.

01:52:08.000 They go far, far across the Pacific.

01:52:12.000 Oh, cool.

01:52:12.000 Yeah, so it's cool, I don't know.

01:52:14.000 I guess they have, on Alaska I think it's called, it's one of the cities, they do, that's where that show about crabbing or whatever it was.

01:52:20.000 What was that show?

01:52:21.000 Dangerous Catch.

01:52:22.000 Deadliest Catch.

01:52:22.000 Deadliest Catch, is that what it was?

01:52:24.000 Yeah.

01:52:24.000 Like, I'm gonna risk my lives to sell crab.

01:52:27.000 Good stuff though, man.

01:52:28.000 Out here?

01:52:30.000 Yo, crab soup.

01:52:32.000 Crabs everywhere!

01:52:32.000 It's so amazing.

01:52:33.000 Crazy!

01:52:34.000 Cream of crab, man.

01:52:35.000 It's so good.

01:52:35.000 We went to the restaurant.

01:52:36.000 I got some.

01:52:37.000 It's the best.

01:52:38.000 I got a name on that Uruguayan president.

01:52:40.000 Jose Mujica?

01:52:42.000 Yeah.

01:52:42.000 Mujica?

01:52:43.000 Yeah, he was a farmer.

01:52:44.000 Dude was awesome.

01:52:45.000 Alright, Spyro Floropolis says, I can code your queued word system.

01:52:50.000 I've submitted my resume two times before and haven't heard anything.

01:52:52.000 20 years experience.

01:52:53.000 Well, this project is kind of like a community project, so just code it and put it up and then we'll shout it out.

01:52:59.000 Right?

01:53:00.000 Someone said, call it Sources Say.

01:53:03.000 That's actually a really fun idea for our website.

01:53:06.000 If he really wants to get paid, he can apply to be a FUTO Fellow and we'll consider it.

01:53:10.000 How do people apply?

01:53:11.000 So go to FUTO.org slash grants.

01:53:13.000 You'll see two things up there.

01:53:14.000 We've got the FUTO Fellows Program is listed right there.

01:53:16.000 We've got the details.

01:53:18.000 There's also the FUTO Legendary Grants, which is for people who have already done great work.

01:53:21.000 We've made grants.

01:53:22.000 We were talking about Larry Sanger's Knowledge Standards Foundation.

01:53:26.000 There's more to come on that.

01:53:27.000 So you'll fund the Sources Say project if he applies for a grant?

01:53:31.000 We will consider it.

01:53:34.000 I might just do it, because it's funny.

01:53:36.000 Just like... Oh, actually, right here, yeah.

01:53:38.000 Duder76 says, call the site SourcesSay, and that's the beginning to every post.

01:53:43.000 Oh, that's brilliant, actually.

01:53:44.000 Yeah, that's pretty smart.

01:53:45.000 SourcesSay.

01:53:47.000 And then, what do we do?

01:53:49.000 We'll create like 10 posts, and we'll name them, and then let the community go in.

01:53:54.000 You ever see the thing where they draw, where they'll get like a million pixels, and then every user can just draw on it all in real time?

01:54:01.000 Oh, that sounds cool.

01:54:02.000 Yeah, that's a really, really cool project that they've done periodically.

01:54:05.000 And then you can watch, like, someone will draw the American flag.

01:54:08.000 There'll be, like, 50 people all trying to draw the American flag, and then someone will try to turn it into the Canadian flag or whatever, and they'll be competing, and then one side wins.

01:54:14.000 Oh! 0.60

01:54:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:16.000 I forgot what it's called.

01:54:17.000 That's awesome.

01:54:17.000 Yeah, so, you guys, it's, uh, F-U-T-O, right?

01:54:21.000 Futo?

01:54:21.000 F-U-T-O dot org.

01:54:22.000 Yeah.

01:54:23.000 And then you can check out the grants tab or slash grants, and it's written there.

01:54:27.000 Apply by June 15th.

01:54:28.000 We're getting towards there.

01:54:30.000 All right, so Nine-Tailed Fox says, Covfefe.

01:54:34.000 Not Covfefe, Covfefe.

01:54:36.000 All right, that's wrong, but I appreciate it.

01:54:41.000 JS Feller says, a better Wikipedia would allow users to fork pages and let everyone see all the forks, just like GitHub.

01:54:47.000 The most popular forks will win out in the end.

01:54:49.000 Interesting.

01:54:49.000 Yes, yes.

01:54:51.000 What licenses their code?

01:54:53.000 I think we need to look at Wikipedia as just a source of diffs.

01:54:57.000 They're called diffs, which is the difference from one page to the next.

01:55:01.000 And if we just look at it as a source of diffs, you could actually just fork it very easily by saying this editor wins and this editor loses, even though the Wikipedia foundation says the opposite.

01:55:14.000 It's pretty complicated software to build that, but it's kind of something we're thinking about a lot, and obviously Larry Sanger's looking at this too.

01:55:23.000 Captain Tanker Joe says, Tim, I need you to do something for me.

01:55:25.000 Stop calling diesel gas when referring to what trucks consume.

01:55:28.000 It's either called diesel or fuel.

01:55:30.000 You'll get persecuted out here if you say that.

01:55:32.000 I don't know if I have said that.

01:55:35.000 It was an accident because I typically refer to gas as gasoline and diesel as diesel because I have diesel vehicles and gas vehicles and electric vehicle, singular.

01:55:45.000 But so when I say gas, I'm referring to gasoline.

01:55:48.000 When I'm saying diesel, I'm referring to diesel.

01:55:50.000 Anyway.

01:55:50.000 It's funny to me they have solid, liquid, and gas, and then gas is a liquid.

01:55:54.000 I don't get it, man.

01:55:55.000 Humans are so weird.

01:55:56.000 What's gasoline?

01:55:57.000 Yeah.

01:55:57.000 It's a shortened for gasoline.

01:56:00.000 Right, but why do they call it liquid-a-lean?

01:56:02.000 You know, it's not gaseous.

01:56:04.000 That's just a word, dude.

01:56:06.000 I guess.

01:56:06.000 I mean, it evaporates pretty quickly.

01:56:07.000 Nice job, Rockefeller.

01:56:09.000 What's that?

01:56:09.000 It evaporates pretty quickly.

01:56:11.000 That's true.

01:56:11.000 We don't call water a vapor.

01:56:15.000 Like, it's just the word they use.

01:56:17.000 It's water vapor, not evaporate, e-vapor.

01:56:19.000 No, this is vapor.

01:56:20.000 It's gasoline, it's a word.

01:56:22.000 It's like when people say, woman is derivative of men, and it's sexist or whatever, when quite literally they have different origins.

01:56:30.000 Yeah, female. 1.00

01:56:32.000 Yeah, male and female have completely different linguistic origins, I'm pretty sure.

01:56:35.000 That's so weird.

01:56:36.000 Yeah.

01:56:36.000 In Britain, you know, it's petrol.

01:56:38.000 In Britain, they think it's really funny we call it gas, too.

01:56:40.000 Yeah.

01:56:41.000 It's not a gas.

01:56:42.000 Petrol!

01:56:43.000 Joseph says, Not true, Tim.

01:56:45.000 I used to be a liberal.

01:56:46.000 When I had my epiphany, it hurt.

01:56:47.000 I still remember my psyche being shattered when I realized what's going on.

01:56:52.000 Crazy.

01:56:54.000 Logan Roldan says, I am part of a youth program that betters the community, 501c4.

01:57:00.000 That is in need of every dollar we can get.

01:57:03.000 If we ask for a donation that is tax deductible, would you give us a grant?

01:57:07.000 501c4 is not deductible, I'm pretty sure, right?

01:57:10.000 Yeah, that's a political organization, I believe, which makes it.

01:57:15.000 Does C4 mean overt?

01:57:16.000 I don't think it means overt.

01:57:18.000 Oh, yeah, it engages in politics.

01:57:19.000 Yeah, I think that's the difference between a C3 and a C4.

01:57:21.000 It doesn't mean that it is a political organization, but that because they will advocate for policy or a politician, it's a C4.

01:57:29.000 That's why a lot of nonprofits that do political work will have a C3 and a C4.

01:57:32.000 Veritas is a good example.

01:57:34.000 They have Project Veritas and Project Veritas Action.

01:57:36.000 One is able to do operations on politicians and one is not.

01:57:42.000 Confirmed it is not tax-deductible, 501c4.

01:57:44.000 It is not tax-deductible.

01:57:46.000 Plus, we gotta, we gotta put funding into our, uh, getting this, uh, news rating agency and fact-checking thing up and running.

01:57:56.000 Steve Moliterno says, create the Ianpedia app, which surfaces the Wikipedia definition accompanied by a Tim fact-check label.

01:58:05.000 Wait for them to take you to court.

01:58:08.000 There you go.

01:58:11.000 All right.

01:58:11.000 We'll grab some more.

01:58:12.000 What do you got?

01:58:15.000 Sherman Panzer.

01:58:16.000 If a civil war truly comes to be, I would have to wonder who would be our real friends and foes upon the world stage.

01:58:22.000 China would be just be, they'd be like, yeah, yeah, we're going to give you money, you know, this faction, and then they're going to go to the other faction. 0.53

01:58:27.000 We're going to, we're going to give you money and just fund both.

01:58:30.000 Make them fight.

01:58:34.000 All right.

01:58:35.000 Let's see where we're at.

01:58:38.000 Dorktanian says, Cali Prime Aries are... Oh, Cali Prime Aries.

01:58:43.000 It's split into two words, Prime Aries.

01:58:45.000 Probably using voice detector, right?

01:58:47.000 California primaries are June 7th.

01:58:48.000 I'm putting all my savings into my own business and not above asking for help at givesendgo.com slash Cajun.

01:58:55.000 Are you running?

01:58:57.000 Well, good luck.

01:58:59.000 Refugee CA says, Why aren't police departments located where schools are?

01:59:05.000 Kids could better see examples of what happens when you make bad choices plus better security.

01:59:09.000 That's an interesting question.

01:59:11.000 Maybe it's because criminals are brought there and they don't want them near kids?

01:59:14.000 They'd be releasing people?

01:59:16.000 Probably.

01:59:17.000 Yeah?

01:59:18.000 I mean, probably just the parents would complain.

01:59:21.000 Yeah.

01:59:24.000 All right.

01:59:27.000 Diver867 says, for the love of God, please someone tell me that there is no Wuhan Institute of Monkeypox virology.

01:59:38.000 Uh, here's one from TheRealHydro.

01:59:43.000 Oh, must be a first-time superchatter.

01:59:44.000 The gravity on Mars, 3.721 meters per second.

01:59:49.000 Is it squared?

01:59:50.000 It's hard to see the little tiny thing.

01:59:52.000 Tim, how dafuq is water going to fly away?

01:59:55.000 Please stop being a know-it-all.

01:59:56.000 My good sir, it's because water evaporates, and then water vapor leaves the atmosphere.

02:00:01.000 Okay?

02:00:02.000 I could be wrong about that on Mars, but I'm pretty sure I was reading something about that.

02:00:06.000 Like low pressure, it would evaporate at a lower temperature.

02:00:08.000 Water evaporates on Earth.

02:00:11.000 I mean, I think it keeps its atmosphere, but for much less than Earth does.

02:00:15.000 I mean, I think they think it had an atmosphere in the past, but it just went away because the gravity wasn't strong.

02:00:21.000 It's that scar, that huge scar along Mars.

02:00:24.000 It looks like something rammed it and ripped it open and all the magma came out and covered the entire planet.

02:00:29.000 So you've got all this iron oxide dust now.

02:00:34.000 Okay, it was the Great War.

02:00:35.000 Yeah, wiped out human civilization.

02:00:38.000 And then the survivors was a small, small band about six people crashed on earth and had to rebuild.

02:00:44.000 And that's it.

02:00:45.000 They wrote a book trying to tell us everything we needed to do and understand to survive.

02:00:50.000 They call it the book.

02:00:51.000 Yeah, it's the Valles Marineris.

02:00:53.000 It's this, I don't know how long it is, but 4,000 kilometer trench.

02:00:57.000 That's the book.

02:00:57.000 Let's call it.

02:00:58.000 No, I was making a joke about religion.

02:01:01.000 All right, let's see.

02:01:02.000 Rando Bunderson says, Mars has an atmosphere, albeit a very thin one, otherwise the helicopter drone Ingenuity on it right now wouldn't function.

02:01:09.000 Ah, yes.

02:01:10.000 Well, there you go.

02:01:11.000 I stand corrected.

02:01:12.000 I think, you know, I was just reading that it's difficult to maintain or something.

02:01:16.000 They said that it's a very thin atmosphere.

02:01:17.000 Yeah, that's there.

02:01:18.000 It's like I was surprised that that thing worked, but it did.

02:01:22.000 Wow.

02:01:22.000 Like like because it is like something like 1% or like compared to Earth's atmosphere.

02:01:27.000 That's crazy.

02:01:29.000 Wow, good for them.

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02:02:49.000 You guys, I wanted to shout out the official launch of the Minds Festival of Ideas.

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02:03:01.000 Also confirmed as Tim Pool.

02:03:02.000 Oh wow, I gotta see that.

02:03:04.000 It turns out he's good.

02:03:05.000 He's great, dude.

02:03:06.000 He's really good.

02:03:07.000 Cornell West.

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02:03:19.000 And we'll see you there.

02:03:20.000 I think James O'Keefe is gonna be there too, right?

02:03:22.000 I believe so.

02:03:22.000 Let's check it out.

02:03:23.000 O'Keefe, yeah, he's on the list.

02:03:24.000 I think I'm speaking with him.

02:03:26.000 Oh, good.

02:03:26.000 Good.

02:03:26.000 That's going to be a good show.

02:03:27.000 I think we're going to rag on the media together and then high five. 0.99

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02:03:32.000 Yeah, big lineup.

02:03:33.000 Seth Dillon will be there.

02:03:35.000 Just check it out.

02:03:35.000 Festival.Minds.com.

02:03:37.000 Sweet.

02:03:37.000 Well, awesome.

02:03:38.000 Very cool.

02:03:39.000 I'm excited for that.

02:03:39.000 Thank you guys very much for tuning in this evening.

02:03:41.000 I was correct.

02:03:42.000 I was completely inundated with tech talk.

02:03:45.000 We'll put it that way.

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