Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Elon Musk Responds To Project Veritas Report On Twitter Bias w-Jamie Kilstein

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:41.000 you Elon Musk has responded to the report from Project Veritas

00:01:06.000 showing a Twitter senior engineer saying that the the platform is biased they

00:01:11.000 do censor conservatives they don't censor the left the company is

00:01:15.000 commie as F and the best part is the engineer says he works like four hours per

00:01:21.000 week and just shows up when he feels like it or just takes days off

00:01:25.000 I'm sure your new boss, potentially, Coming in would love to know about how you guys don't do any work.

00:01:34.000 I'm willing to bet Elon's gonna go to his investors and these other, you know, stockholders and people giving loan and whatever and be like, I'm pretty sure I can save you a lot of money because these guys are getting paid to do nothing.

00:01:43.000 We also have another release from Project Veritas.

00:01:47.000 Who was the guy at Twitter?

00:01:48.000 What was his position?

00:01:49.000 I want to make sure I get it right.

00:01:50.000 Lead engineer.

00:01:51.000 Lead engineer saying basically get woke, go broke.

00:01:53.000 So you've got a guy at Twitter saying wokeness is hurting their ability to become profitable or to generate profit.

00:02:00.000 And he is absolutely correct.

00:02:01.000 We'll talk about that.

00:02:02.000 Of course, the other stuff with Elon Musk.

00:02:05.000 Basically freezing the deal because he wants evidence of the bot's proof that's less than 5% and he's even calling the SEC informally to investigate.

00:02:15.000 I gotta ask, was this guy who was saying he only works four hours a week, was he on a date?

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:21.000 So that's a very weird thing to brag about.

00:02:23.000 Yeah, I'm super lazy.

00:02:25.000 I'm not a productive person.

00:02:28.000 My bit on this was, you know, when I was seeing the leak.

00:02:33.000 Veritas does this all the time, where they have women go on Tinder dates. 0.86

00:02:36.000 There's gotta be a short film, or we gotta do a skit, where it's an engineer, you know, and she's like, tell me more.

00:02:43.000 And then, you know, like someone texts him and it's like, you're being, it's a sting by Veritas, and he confronts her and he's like, Is this all I was to you?

00:02:50.000 She's like, no, when it started it was, but now it's something more.

00:02:53.000 Exactly.

00:02:54.000 It's a natural Mr. Deeds story.

00:02:57.000 And then she's like, I don't want to do this with Veritas.

00:02:59.000 I want to be with you.

00:03:00.000 I don't know if I can trust you.

00:03:01.000 And then they get together in the end.

00:03:03.000 James O'Keefe is the villain.

00:03:05.000 He's got a twirling mustache.

00:03:06.000 You're like, no!

00:03:07.000 I'm against love!

00:03:10.000 Alright, we're gonna talk about news, I guess. 0.93

00:03:13.000 We got Jordan Peterson getting roasted because he called, there's a fat chick on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and he said she was not beautiful and it was authoritarian.

00:03:21.000 And look, I think, what did you say, you got wisdom in choosing your battles or something?

00:03:28.000 Oh, yeah, I was just gonna say, I mean, yeah, pick your battles kind of thing.

00:03:31.000 I, you know, I'm a fan of the doctor. 0.80

00:03:34.000 I want to start only calling fat girls authoritarian now. 1.00

00:03:39.000 If you're fat. 0.99

00:03:39.000 All right. 0.99

00:03:41.000 I don't even know what the rest of it.

00:03:42.000 We have other news, apparently.

00:03:43.000 There's some other stuff.

00:03:43.000 Yeah.

00:03:44.000 Joe Biden did something.

00:03:45.000 He's criticizing Tucker Carlson.

00:03:46.000 We'll see.

00:03:47.000 We got we got a lot of Elon stuff.

00:03:49.000 Gas prices.

00:03:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:50.000 A gas station, I think, in the Pacific Northwest ran out of gas and they're preparing for four digit gasoline prices.

00:03:57.000 So thanks, Joe Biden.

00:03:59.000 Joining us to talk about all this is Jamie Kilstein.

00:04:01.000 Hey, everybody.

00:04:02.000 Who are you?

00:04:03.000 I am just here trying not to get cancelled again.

00:04:07.000 Wrong place to ask for that, buddy.

00:04:10.000 No, you guys are beloved by everybody.

00:04:13.000 That's what my PR agency tells me.

00:04:15.000 Well, not Lydia, but the rest of us are.

00:04:17.000 She's the one getting us cancelled. 1.00

00:04:19.000 That's why they hate her.

00:04:19.000 Lydia's so likeable.

00:04:21.000 I'm a comedian.

00:04:23.000 I'm a comic.

00:04:23.000 I'm a comedian.

00:04:24.000 Let's just say that. 0.99

00:04:25.000 That's much easier than my fucking sad story. 0.99

00:04:28.000 I already blew it. 1.00

00:04:29.000 I already blew it.

00:04:32.000 We're three minutes in, so we're good.

00:04:33.000 Actually, the rule on YouTube is you can't swear in the first 30 seconds.

00:04:37.000 Oh, is that it?

00:04:39.000 If you swear a lot, they start pinging you.

00:04:41.000 But the rule specifically is like, did you swear in the first 30 seconds?

00:04:44.000 No?

00:04:45.000 Alright.

00:04:46.000 So it's like, alright, whatever.

00:04:48.000 But there are children watching.

00:04:50.000 Well, I assume we have people who are parents who will play the show in their car or something.

00:04:54.000 I love the idea of a child with a Project Veritas shirt who doesn't want to hear dirty words.

00:05:01.000 We also have Seamus.

00:05:02.000 Yeah, Seamus of Freedom Tunes.

00:05:04.000 We're going to be releasing a new cartoon this Thursday as we do every Thursday.

00:05:06.000 Announced last show that we're going to be launching a paywall at freedomtunes.com.

00:05:10.000 If y'all guys want to sign up to get notified when we launch on May 30th for five bucks a month, you're going to get behind the scenes content and also an extra video every week, an extra cartoon every week.

00:05:19.000 Oh, that's what I was supposed to do.

00:05:20.000 Promote my stuff.

00:05:24.000 I'm so used to doing podcasts where I'm in trouble.

00:05:30.000 Like back in the day, I would just get introduced as a funny man.

00:05:33.000 You've seen him on Conan O'Brien.

00:05:35.000 And now there's like a five minute intro, like once a darling of the left until things got dark.

00:05:40.000 Yeah.

00:05:40.000 I host a podcast.

00:05:41.000 It's called a fuck up. 0.99

00:05:42.000 It's called a f-ups guide to the universe. 0.99

00:05:45.000 I'm so bad at marketing.

00:05:47.000 F up Sky to the Universe.

00:05:49.000 We have everyone from porn stars to John Cleese and I talk about being a screw up and getting through it and tell you not to kill yourself and it's great.

00:05:56.000 So the interesting thing is one of the big stories we have is that Elon Musk announced he's voting Republican.

00:06:01.000 He's not going to be voting Democrat.

00:06:03.000 and there's there's a there's an interesting uh... story there for for i

00:06:06.000 mean obviously for many of you for me personally for those of us who feel like the democrats have gone nuts

00:06:12.000 but uh... you got canceled by a lot of the left so we'll get in all that stuff

00:06:15.000 but i think your experience will play into the story pretty interestingly. I'm psyched about that.

00:06:19.000 Yeah.

00:06:20.000 Did you already mention?

00:06:20.000 I did not introduce myself yet.

00:06:22.000 I am also here.

00:06:23.000 I'm pushing buttons in the corner.

00:06:24.000 I think it's gonna be hilarious.

00:06:24.000 I'm stoked for tonight.

00:06:25.000 I'm really interested to talk about this lady.

00:06:27.000 I don't think this is in any way authoritarian, but we will get into it.

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00:07:22.000 Let's jump into the first story.

00:07:24.000 Yo, this is cool.

00:07:26.000 Elon Musk finally responds to Project Veritas sting in which Twitter engineer says all the workers there are commie as F and that they hate the billionaire Tesla boss.

00:07:37.000 He said, is this legit?

00:07:40.000 That's it.

00:07:41.000 That's what he said.

00:07:42.000 But those three words mean so much.

00:07:46.000 In the viral video.

00:07:48.000 So actually, I think they're... So I posted this video.

00:07:51.000 It's got like six million views.

00:07:52.000 It's a Veritas video.

00:07:53.000 I posted it because it was newsworthy.

00:07:55.000 People are blowing it up and putting it out like crazy.

00:07:57.000 And I'm like, all right, cool.

00:07:59.000 This guy says he only works four hours a week.

00:08:01.000 I think he basically says people can and like he did.

00:08:04.000 I don't want to say that he always does.

00:08:06.000 I don't know exactly what he's trying to intend.

00:08:08.000 But he also talks about how the company is just left, left, left, left, left.

00:08:12.000 How they all hate Elon.

00:08:13.000 He talks about how the right will tolerate the left-wing speech, but the left will say if you don't ban them, we quit.

00:08:19.000 So Twitter basically says, okay, ban the people on the right because the people on the right don't care.

00:08:23.000 All of that being confirmed.

00:08:25.000 But in those three words, is this legit?

00:08:27.000 Elon Musk, who is currently... He's currently frozen the deal.

00:08:31.000 He's delaying it, saying, prove your bots.

00:08:34.000 And now everyone's saying, oh, he's trying to shake them down, or he's trying to get out of the deal.

00:08:38.000 I still think Elon Musk knows what he's doing.

00:08:40.000 I still think he has a good likelihood to win.

00:08:42.000 I think he's likely exposed fraud.

00:08:45.000 And with this Veritas video, Elon Musk may now be able to actually renegotiate the deal.

00:08:51.000 That's the big news.

00:08:52.000 Because a lot of people on the left are saying, Elon Musk was willing to forego due diligence, saying, we'll do the deal as is.

00:09:02.000 The contract is the contract, right?

00:09:03.000 Twitter, apparently the Twitter board is saying, no, no, he's got to buy it.

00:09:06.000 With this video release, though, Elon Musk can be like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.

00:09:10.000 You didn't disclose the work hours.

00:09:13.000 You didn't disclose censorship or political ideology.

00:09:17.000 But more so, I think the work hours in this is going to give him an ability to try and go back at the Twitter board.

00:09:22.000 The real victim is the woman on the date who had to hear all of this on a first date.

00:09:27.000 That is a lot for a Tinder date.

00:09:29.000 Brave women.

00:09:30.000 And I gotta tell you, Project Veritas Journalist, there's a meme where it says, if you are an engineer at Twitter and a beautiful young woman wants to know about your job, it's James O'Keefe.

00:09:44.000 Do not say anything.

00:09:46.000 I think that's the easiest way to put it.

00:09:48.000 It's so funny that there's no Edward Snowden-esque leaker and literally all you need to do is go put a hot chick in front of a tech nerd and it's over.

00:09:57.000 You've just blown the company.

00:09:59.000 This is why...

00:10:01.000 So I'm watching this leak the other day and I feel bad for this guy.

00:10:04.000 Yeah.

00:10:05.000 I mean, he doesn't seem like a bad dude.

00:10:07.000 He says that he's okay with Elon buying the company.

00:10:09.000 You know, he's become more left, but he's, you know, he, he doesn't seem like a bad guy.

00:10:13.000 He's telling people like, this is what's happening at the company.

00:10:15.000 He's saying it's bad for business.

00:10:16.000 He's not, it doesn't even sound like he's being ideological.

00:10:18.000 He's like, this is hurting the place I work.

00:10:20.000 But the sad thing is, you know, he meets this, this young, attractive woman on Tinder and he thinks maybe he's finally found love.

00:10:27.000 But it was James O'Keefe the whole time.

00:10:28.000 You know what we should do?

00:10:30.000 We should do a skit where we get a guy talking to a beautiful young woman and then he's like, wait a minute, something's off.

00:10:37.000 And then he grabs her hair and he pulls it off James' suit.

00:10:39.000 It's like actually James O'Keefe.

00:10:40.000 It's actually James O'Keefe.

00:10:42.000 They pull the wig down and then James is literally, he's sitting there in a suit, he's got a microphone.

00:10:45.000 Tell me more about what you were saying.

00:10:47.000 He's there in the pimp suit.

00:10:49.000 I'm gonna have nightmares about that forever.

00:10:51.000 I love it.

00:10:53.000 This is the sting operation.

00:10:54.000 It's young women on Tinder, and it works. 1.00

00:10:57.000 I mean, it's genius.

00:10:58.000 It's brilliant.

00:10:59.000 It's so basic.

00:11:00.000 I think it's legit.

00:11:03.000 Man, when it comes to this stuff, especially this culture where no one is encouraged to cultivate any self-control when it comes to sexuality, I think a lot of young men are like, OK, this could be a sting.

00:11:14.000 There's a probability, but I'm just going to try anyway.

00:11:17.000 Yeah, that's why no one nowadays wears condoms anymore.

00:11:20.000 It's just the whistleblower equivalent of that.

00:11:23.000 I wonder if we are being arrogant, and maybe this dude, what's his name?

00:11:28.000 Uh, Siru.

00:11:29.000 He might be swimming in women, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:11:32.000 He might just be kicking back with his own pimp outfit, and he's like, just another girl at seven o'clock.

00:11:37.000 Make it quick, lady. 0.97

00:11:38.000 I mean, he only works four hours a week, right?

00:11:40.000 He's got a lot of time on his hands.

00:11:42.000 Maybe he does just have a bunch of different girlfriends.

00:11:43.000 We don't know that.

00:11:44.000 He thought he was playing her.

00:11:46.000 Maybe he's spying on her for another organization.

00:11:48.000 Like, we don't know.

00:11:49.000 Maybe he's wearing a hidden camera.

00:11:50.000 He's trying to take down O'Keefe.

00:11:52.000 It's just like this circular rain of hell.

00:11:55.000 Can you imagine how paranoid James O'Keefe must be on a date?

00:11:58.000 He's like, alright, eventually this is coming to me.

00:12:00.000 I know how this works.

00:12:02.000 He's just always trying to shake them down for microphones.

00:12:06.000 So so he's like, let's go to the beach for our date.

00:12:08.000 Yeah, well, you know, we'll go swimming.

00:12:09.000 Yeah Saroosh T. I gotta admit I do feel bad for a lot of these people that get get that get caught by O'Keefe because I don't think Not every single person that gets exposed as a bad guy, right? 0.59

00:12:22.000 This guy is just he's a senior engineer.

00:12:24.000 He's in this environment He probably doesn't know or care about what's going on culturally.

00:12:28.000 He does a little bit and he's like, yeah, this is what's happening and so now He's forced to be a whistleblower, basically.

00:12:36.000 But I still respect and think what James is doing is completely legitimate.

00:12:40.000 I mean, it's real reporting, and if we can't hear what these people are saying and doing and we don't know what's going on in these companies, bad things happen.

00:12:45.000 So this guy basically admitting everything.

00:12:49.000 And he's different from a lot of what we've seen.

00:12:50.000 When we've seen, like, that Google woman and she's talking about stuff, it's like, you've got people at big tech companies talking about how they set policy, how they do policy.

00:12:57.000 This is a guy on a date who's like, yo, this is what my company is like.

00:13:00.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:13:01.000 So now he's deleted his Twitter account.

00:13:01.000 Right.

00:13:03.000 I think he's deleted his LinkedIn.

00:13:05.000 Twitter has issued a statement to their Tweeps.

00:13:08.000 That's what they call it.

00:13:09.000 That's the most offensive part of all of this.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, I'm super offended by that.

00:13:12.000 What is a tweet? Is that a customer? Is that someone who works there?

00:13:15.000 Someone who works there. So here's the email. He didn't mention that on the date.

00:13:18.000 Yikes, yeah, no wonder.

00:13:19.000 Funny.

00:13:19.000 He's still too ashamed of that.

00:13:21.000 He's like, they call us tweets.

00:13:23.000 It would've been funny if he just started crying.

00:13:24.000 All right, so we have this Instagram post from Veritas.

00:13:30.000 Targeting of tweets, says the email.

00:13:33.000 Tweeps!

00:13:34.000 I can't believe I'm reading that.

00:13:36.000 As we expected, a video was posted this evening by Project Veritas depicting a tweep allegedly speaking about a number of company issues.

00:13:44.000 We're in contact with the person involved and doing everything we can to help them.

00:13:47.000 There may be more videos to come, and we're continuing to monitor the situation.

00:13:50.000 Help them?

00:13:51.000 Help him, you mean?

00:13:52.000 Why are they saying them?

00:13:53.000 Are we learning something about Siru?

00:13:53.000 Them there.

00:13:55.000 Is it not a little bit interesting that everyone at Twitter who didn't like Elon Musk felt very comfortable

00:14:02.000 voicing their displeasure with him potentially taking over the company even though he may have been running the place

00:14:06.000 in the near future but someone who has issues with the way Twitter is run now tries to be very quiet

00:14:11.000 and the only way we're able to get information from them is on hidden camera.

00:14:14.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:14:16.000 It goes on, it says, please review my previous note on how you can protect yourself and your fellow tweets from similar attempts in the future.

00:14:22.000 If you think you are being targeted or have been targeted, contact blank at twitter.com redacted.

00:14:26.000 For safety and privacy of those involved, we ask you do not tweet about the situation or any related issues.

00:14:32.000 Please remember that we all have an obligation to protect confidential proprietary information and not discuss internal conversations, policies, or products outside of work.

00:14:40.000 Take care and stay safe.

00:14:41.000 Pat.

00:14:42.000 Pat.

00:14:43.000 As soon as you sent the email out, they leaked it to Project Veritas.

00:14:46.000 So that last message right there fell on deaf ears for sure.

00:14:48.000 Whoopsie.

00:14:50.000 Oh, good though.

00:14:50.000 I mean, Ciro may not be somebody who's stepping up and willing to speak out about what I view as corruption within the company.

00:14:57.000 Somebody is.

00:14:59.000 Somebody, you know, is showing what they're saying behind the scenes and exposing what I would view as malfeasance.

00:15:06.000 Also, are there any hot blondes that can go undercover and find out why I'm shadowbanned on Instagram? 1.00

00:15:10.000 There you go.

00:15:10.000 Can we just start, like, just hiring our own hot girls to find out?

00:15:13.000 That's a good idea.

00:15:14.000 I'm imagining the same scenario with, like, a hot young girl talking to Mark Zuckerberg, and how he would be... He has no idea how to respond.

00:15:21.000 Yeah, he would just be, like, staring at her blankly, and she's like, tell me about your work.

00:15:24.000 My work is good.

00:15:26.000 Start speaking to her in binary?

00:15:30.000 0-1-1-0-1-0-1-1.

00:15:33.000 What's happening?

00:15:34.000 No, I don't know.

00:15:35.000 Zuckerberg's married, I think, right? 0.99

00:15:39.000 I do always think it's stupid that people try and do these arguments where it's like, if for some reason they don't like you, they attack your manhood. 0.98

00:15:45.000 But primarily on the left. 0.97

00:15:46.000 I always find that funny.

00:15:47.000 Like, why is it that people on the left, who are the ones who are like traditional masculinities and a thing, and they're like, you're an incel! 0.99

00:15:54.000 Well, because one thing the left... Because everyone's hypocrites. 0.98

00:15:58.000 Well, exactly. 0.85

00:15:58.000 The left doesn't believe the things that they espouse. 0.85

00:16:01.000 They know that conservatives are generally more sensitive to the idea of whether or not they're being considered masculine, or at least they assume that.

00:16:08.000 They're constantly trying to break down gender barriers, but they think, oh, if I challenge his manhood, then I'll be able to manipulate him into doing what I want. 0.94

00:16:15.000 Everyone has the same fears.

00:16:16.000 Everyone has the same insecurities.

00:16:18.000 Everyone uses the same stuff except for this guy. 1.00

00:16:18.000 Everyone's a hypocrite. 1.00

00:16:20.000 Except me. 0.99

00:16:42.000 They actually built an oversized set because they want... So he had to look normal?

00:16:47.000 No, no.

00:16:47.000 I think he's like slightly about average.

00:16:50.000 And I was like, oh, he's taller than me.

00:16:52.000 Great.

00:16:54.000 You didn't have to tell people that.

00:16:56.000 They all know.

00:16:57.000 But they lie about his height.

00:17:00.000 And then they also call him an incel.

00:17:01.000 And Ben's just sitting there with his kids and his wife and he's like, I have a family.

00:17:05.000 And then you're like, I don't understand why.

00:17:06.000 Who are they trying to hurt?

00:17:08.000 Yeah.

00:17:09.000 Go after ideas.

00:17:10.000 Go after ideas.

00:17:11.000 That's all you have to do.

00:17:12.000 If you have any merit to yours, go after ideas.

00:17:15.000 Like anytime I was, it's like when you're fighting with your girlfriend or boyfriend and the second you realize you're wrong, you just like change the subject and panic.

00:17:22.000 No, you said you were going to the last week.

00:17:25.000 And it's just, you're panicking.

00:17:27.000 You're doubling down and you're panicking and you're, you're short.

00:17:29.000 All right, bud.

00:17:30.000 You're out of ideas.

00:17:31.000 Yeah.

00:17:33.000 No, it's true.

00:17:34.000 There are so many.

00:17:35.000 It's funny because you bring up relationships.

00:17:36.000 There are so many different communication habits that you see predominantly on the left that would be deeply unhealthy in any kind of relationship.

00:17:43.000 So for example, they assume that they know that you have some kind of like racist attitude inside of you or sexist attitude.

00:17:51.000 And then they're just like trying to picket your words in some way that will justify their narrative.

00:17:55.000 They like start with the conclusion that you're a bad person acting in bad faith so they can malign you.

00:18:01.000 That's not how you have conversations with people.

00:18:03.000 that's not how you have conversations with people, it's deeply unhealthy.

00:18:03.000 Right.

00:18:05.000 That's why I was saying the other day when we had met on, I was like, we don't do, uh,

00:18:09.000 we don't do, uh, stuntmen.

00:18:11.000 Right.

00:18:12.000 Political stuntmen.

00:18:13.000 People who do, make games of things and they're like infotainment stuff.

00:18:17.000 I'm not gonna invite them on.

00:18:18.000 I mean, maybe, but people who have done it to us are just like out the first time they

00:18:22.000 Yeah.

00:18:23.000 So if they try and pull any stunts to rage-bait their audience and go, woo, look at us, we're culture warriors, I'm like, eh, we're not gonna fight that guy.

00:18:29.000 All right, we have a correction.

00:18:31.000 We have a story from Veritas, but we mentioned earlier that the guy was a lead engineer, he's a lead client partner.

00:18:36.000 Oh, that's my fault, my fault.

00:18:37.000 But let's read this story with a tweet from Lydia Lederman.

00:18:41.000 Who's that?

00:18:41.000 Oh!

00:18:41.000 Who's this?

00:18:42.000 Lighterman, Lighterman.

00:18:43.000 Lighterman.

00:18:44.000 I pronounced it wrong.

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 Twitter lead client partner says woke ideology responsible for inability to profit, hmm, affirms Twitter not here to give people free speech, refuses taking Elon Musk seriously due to Asperger's making him special. 0.87

00:18:59.000 There we go.

00:19:00.000 Well, now here's the issue.

00:19:01.000 I like the first thing he said, but the ableism just gets to me.

00:19:05.000 It is problematic, as they say.

00:19:08.000 Let's hear what this man has to say.

00:19:10.000 Okay, let me fix the edit.

00:19:12.000 Wait, also, is this another date?

00:19:15.000 I think so.

00:19:16.000 Yeah, this is how you do it.

00:19:16.000 Amazing.

00:19:18.000 Well, to be fair, these guys probably make pretty good money, so it's probably pretty easy for them to get dates.

00:19:22.000 I mean, look, if you're a guy on Tinder, you're right.

00:19:25.000 I got very excited when you said WMDs.

00:19:27.000 I'm like, finally one I'm allowed to agree with.

00:19:28.000 I agree with that one.

00:19:29.000 Don't get me in trouble.

00:19:30.000 I remember that.

00:19:31.000 I remember the war in Iraq.

00:19:32.000 Follow me on Twitter.

00:19:32.000 It's bad.

00:19:35.000 So this guy... My favorite, by the way, was during that kind of slurred rant, seeing the person he was out with slowly pick up the wine glass as he's just rambling.

00:19:43.000 What did you notice?

00:19:44.000 Also, one thing I loved is the way he said it.

00:19:47.000 He's like, oh, people can make their own decisions.

00:19:49.000 Great.

00:19:53.000 So I noticed something.

00:19:56.000 Did you notice something about this video that is different from the other video?

00:20:00.000 I don't think you saw the other video, though.

00:20:02.000 It's a dude, right?

00:20:04.000 It's a dude.

00:20:04.000 That means it's not Tinder.

00:20:05.000 That means it's Grindr.

00:20:09.000 It's a Grindr date!

00:20:10.000 It's an advertiser as my business is what I do every day and why I go out is like we want it to be as fair and transparent and accurate as possible and if that means there's a level of censorship to make it Correct, quote-unquote, again.

00:20:30.000 And what does correct mean?

00:20:31.000 I guess it just kind of goes against the idea of, like, what is correct?

00:20:35.000 If we're implementing all these rules, and Elon wants to dismantle them, then technically...

00:20:43.000 Our ideology has led us to not making money because we're not making money.

00:20:48.000 And Elon wants to turn it the other way so that we can make money.

00:20:51.000 There's a statement they need all 7,000 people to say.

00:20:55.000 And so they can't, like, tell us the, like, the real truth.

00:21:01.000 He has hospitals.

00:21:02.000 Yeah, yeah, I know that.

00:21:04.000 So he's special.

00:21:05.000 You're special needs.

00:21:06.000 You're literally special needs.

00:21:08.000 So...

00:21:10.000 I can't even take what you're saying seriously.

00:21:12.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:21:14.000 You can read it.

00:21:15.000 Let me see.

00:21:16.000 How to protect yourself.

00:21:18.000 Groups like Project Veritas are active.

00:21:23.000 Oh, he's so full of it.

00:21:24.000 Dude, I'm sorry.

00:21:26.000 At that second, I would end the date.

00:21:28.000 I'd be like, ah, okay.

00:21:29.000 Oh, you don't know how to pronounce Veritas?

00:21:31.000 No, no, no.

00:21:32.000 No, that's the Veritas journalist.

00:21:32.000 100%, you don't work.

00:21:33.000 No, I know, I know.

00:21:34.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:21:35.000 He's obviously trying to come back.

00:21:38.000 He's like, what's this Project Veritas?

00:21:42.000 He's like, I've never heard of this wonderful sounding organization.

00:21:46.000 Why does Twitter dislike them?

00:21:47.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

00:21:52.000 I'm gonna go back a little bit.

00:21:53.000 He starts talking about it. 0.99

00:21:55.000 What the f*** is that? 0.98

00:21:55.000 It's like some group that's trying to just out the employees. 0.98

00:21:58.000 Like they're trying to- Yo, this is from- This is from like yesterday!

00:22:02.000 Bro!

00:22:03.000 This is like- How obvious does a trap have to be?

00:22:06.000 Project Veritas?

00:22:08.000 He's like, let me tell you everything I think about that.

00:22:09.000 You know what I love?

00:22:10.000 Acorn!

00:22:12.000 He's like this wonderful organization, Acorn, and they got destroyed.

00:22:15.000 I mean, this person, this is the ultimate.

00:22:18.000 If you are doing a sting operation and your mark shows you your other successful sting operation, it's just gold. 0.86

00:22:27.000 You're like, I am killing it.

00:22:29.000 By the way, this is the fault of those dating coaches who are telling people to repeat every incriminating thing about themselves on their first date with a stranger.

00:22:37.000 Wait, is this a big thing?

00:22:38.000 No, I'm being sarcastic.

00:22:40.000 I have no idea.

00:22:40.000 No, because I've definitely done that on First Dates, where I was just like, sit down and let me tell you a tale of a website called Jezebel.

00:22:47.000 I've done that on First Dates.

00:22:49.000 Do not suggest.

00:22:50.000 The Twitter guy sits down and he's like, hello, I'm John.

00:22:53.000 And you're Janet.

00:22:54.000 Nice to meet you.

00:22:55.000 I commit crimes at Twitter.

00:22:57.000 I disparage people who are lesser than me.

00:22:59.000 And I want to rule the world.

00:23:00.000 And that's our goal for the company.

00:23:02.000 And we're going to steal money from people.

00:23:03.000 It's like, well, that was something weird to lead with.

00:23:06.000 I was playing more also going like this and record them and then go sell it to the New

00:23:11.000 York Times and say this is what the Twitter employee just said.

00:23:13.000 This is what's really happening.

00:23:14.000 This is what they're telling us to not do.

00:23:15.000 You're lucky that you met me organically because I would be questioning everything about you.

00:23:19.000 Oh, that was so brutal.

00:23:20.000 Oh, they just put that in there to hurt the man.

00:23:26.000 They just put that in there to hurt the man.

00:23:28.000 There was no reason to include that in the story, dude.

00:23:31.000 That's a cartoon.

00:23:32.000 That didn't really happen.

00:23:33.000 No, none of that really happened.

00:23:34.000 Look into the camera.

00:23:35.000 We are being set up right now.

00:23:37.000 Tim, this is to set you up for reporting misinformation.

00:23:37.000 He looks at the camera.

00:23:41.000 Exactly.

00:23:42.000 We're not falling for it right now.

00:23:43.000 We are going on record.

00:23:44.000 It's a trap.

00:23:46.000 This is the skit.

00:23:48.000 I met you at a bar!

00:23:48.000 This is not real.

00:23:50.000 How could you do this to me?

00:23:51.000 I didn't mean to!

00:23:52.000 We were viewing the news!

00:23:54.000 You're not part of that project, Veritas.

00:23:57.000 You would never hurt me. 0.98

00:23:59.000 This is ridiculous. 0.95

00:24:00.000 I'm telling you, we're about to hear sirens. 0.95

00:24:03.000 The house is being surrounded right now.

00:24:04.000 This is us being set up.

00:24:06.000 One million percent.

00:24:07.000 No, they're like filming us, I don't know, through the computer somehow.

00:24:10.000 Oh my gosh, we have webcams on our computer.

00:24:11.000 We're being set up.

00:24:12.000 They want to see your response to it.

00:24:13.000 Let me play this.

00:24:14.000 Let me play it again.

00:24:15.000 Best to not do.

00:24:16.000 You're lucky that you met me organically, because I would be questioning everything about you.

00:24:21.000 Yo, that hurt my soul.

00:24:24.000 I know, it's like very creepy.

00:24:26.000 Like he gets real close to her.

00:24:27.000 He does get close.

00:24:28.000 I would be questioning everything about you.

00:24:30.000 Do you guys think he knew?

00:24:32.000 I mean, it looks like it, but he said everything he wasn't supposed to say.

00:24:36.000 But he literally looked into the... But this guy's suspicious of Project Veritas and he goes on a date and tells the person everything.

00:24:43.000 And shows them the email saying not to do it!

00:24:47.000 I gotta tell you guys a story.

00:24:48.000 I once worked for a news organization.

00:24:51.000 And we were getting spearfishing emails.

00:24:54.000 So, do you guys know what spear phishing is?

00:24:55.000 Like the actual sport or is it some weird political term?

00:24:58.000 Email.

00:24:58.000 It's a hacker term.

00:24:59.000 Yep.

00:24:59.000 See, I knew it.

00:25:00.000 So, phishing is when you'll get a random email that says, like, sign up today, click here.

00:25:05.000 Yep.

00:25:05.000 You do, and then it tries to give your password.

00:25:07.000 A spear phishing attack is when they spoof an email.

00:25:12.000 And so we were getting emails from higher ups at this company to us saying, Hey, there's a big story.

00:25:20.000 Check it out right here. 0.67

00:25:21.000 And I'm not an idiot. 0.87

00:25:22.000 So as soon as I saw it, I laughed.

00:25:24.000 It had like the wrong title for the, for the, for the staff member.

00:25:27.000 I brought it to the CTO and I was like, Hey, we're getting phishing attempts.

00:25:31.000 I was like, maybe it's just me.

00:25:32.000 And he was like, no, everybody got it.

00:25:34.000 And I was like, Oh, for real?

00:25:36.000 And he's like, and 25 people flicked it.

00:25:38.000 And I went.

00:25:39.000 I was like, yep, go figure.

00:25:41.000 And then I was like, didn't they realize their boss wasn't that position?

00:25:45.000 And they were like, they didn't think about it.

00:25:47.000 And so they locked it up right away.

00:25:49.000 Yeah.

00:25:50.000 Here's where it gets really good.

00:25:52.000 So then a few days later, we all get basic phishing attacks.

00:25:56.000 Where it's an email from a company that I've never heard of, and it's like, sign up today, click here, and I laugh.

00:26:03.000 And so I go to the CTO again, and I say, I'm getting more phishing attempts.

00:26:07.000 And he's like, I know, I know, I know, we'll deal with it.

00:26:10.000 And then a few hours later, a company-wide email from the CTO goes out saying, guys, I told you not to click these links.

00:26:18.000 If you've clicked any of these links, you now need to reset your password.

00:26:22.000 With a link!

00:26:24.000 And as soon as I saw it, I went to the CTO and I was like, bro, this was the best spear phishing attack ever.

00:26:32.000 That's incredible.

00:26:33.000 The CTO never sent out an email.

00:26:35.000 That was the attack.

00:26:37.000 Clever.

00:26:38.000 And then he was like, wait, what happened?

00:26:40.000 And I was like, it came from you, dude.

00:26:42.000 They spoofed your email.

00:26:44.000 It was masterful, and they got in.

00:26:48.000 Here's why I bring this up.

00:26:49.000 Those hackers are hilarious. 0.96

00:26:51.000 I was laughing, and the CTO was stressed, but he was like, that was good.

00:26:55.000 That's incredible.

00:26:56.000 It was a very clever manipulation.

00:26:59.000 It was a three-layered attack.

00:27:01.000 Here's why I bring this story up.

00:27:02.000 For one, I love that story of the hacker move, how they broke into the system.

00:27:06.000 I'm in.

00:27:07.000 But the best part is, this guy, working for Twitter, is sent a warning email.

00:27:13.000 From there, people are like, guys, be on the lookout, don't do this.

00:27:15.000 And he goes, I'm going to do exactly what they told me not to do with this stranger.

00:27:19.000 He's like, I'm going to get some tail.

00:27:21.000 Also, these are not sexy stories to talk about on the day.

00:27:24.000 Like, if you're getting that email, just bring up something else, dude.

00:27:28.000 I'd like to issue an apology and retraction.

00:27:30.000 It was not a Grindr date.

00:27:31.000 Oh, no?

00:27:31.000 It was not.

00:27:32.000 They did meet organically.

00:27:33.000 They met organically.

00:27:33.000 Organically.

00:27:34.000 Right, right, right.

00:27:35.000 Dude, I can't wait... At Grindr HQ.

00:27:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:38.000 I can't wait to... Just pacing outside.

00:27:40.000 I can't wait to finally see the Veritas video where it's like at the altar at their wedding.

00:27:46.000 He's like, yeah, he's just going on about his job and the corrupt things they're doing there.

00:27:50.000 The priest is like, look at this email.

00:27:54.000 It's their 25th wedding anniversary.

00:27:56.000 The priest is like, Uh, we will now have the bride and groom read their vows.

00:28:00.000 And then he's like, when I first met you, I was working for a large bank.

00:28:04.000 I was funneling money to private corporations in Panama.

00:28:07.000 Oh my gosh.

00:28:08.000 No, dude.

00:28:09.000 And the priest is like, he's a fake priest.

00:28:11.000 He's like, if you have any intimidating information about yourself, you may now say it.

00:28:11.000 He's also in and out.

00:28:17.000 Her children from a past marriage have tiny mustaches and are wearing trench coats.

00:28:22.000 Yo, we gotta, we have to get, we have to do the skit, we have to get James in on it.

00:28:25.000 That would be hysterical.

00:28:25.000 We have to.

00:28:26.000 Like, we get like a small, young woman sitting in front of the guy, and he goes, wait a minute, and when he grabs her hair and pulls it down, it's just a full, like, six foot tall James O'Keefe in a suit.

00:28:35.000 This is like the Twitter version of To Catch a Predator, where every time they're like, I'm gonna get away, you're not from that crazy MSNBC show, and then Chris Hansen, what, we do that with James O'Keefe, like, why don't you have a seat?

00:28:46.000 Why don't you take a seat over there?

00:28:48.000 What part of you thought this made any sense?

00:28:52.000 Dude, uh, I'm not kidding.

00:28:53.000 We should legit do those. 0.78

00:28:54.000 It'd be funny skits.

00:28:55.000 My legit advice, by the way, when you're out on dates, ask about the other person.

00:28:58.000 They're like going out about themselves.

00:28:58.000 Yeah, no, seriously.

00:28:59.000 These are insufferable dates.

00:29:00.000 So these people are getting caught monologuing, which we know is not something good.

00:29:03.000 Insufferable.

00:29:04.000 Exactly.

00:29:04.000 For a first date.

00:29:05.000 I gotta say too, I genuinely think this guy knew what was up.

00:29:08.000 He saw that email.

00:29:09.000 He's like, here's a guy.

00:29:10.000 I'm going to meet him in a bar and I'm going to tell him everything.

00:29:13.000 He did the villain head tilt.

00:29:14.000 That's so weird, right?

00:29:15.000 Yeah, but if you met someone randomly, you wouldn't think it.

00:29:19.000 But he just got that email. 0.96

00:29:21.000 Also, some of these people are just sociopaths. 0.93

00:29:21.000 He is a tweep. 0.93

00:29:24.000 They're just narcissists where they're like, yeah, I'm picking up people randomly.

00:29:28.000 I don't have anything to worry about, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:30.000 Instead of, I mean, meeting organically is almost more suspect than Tinder, because Tinder, there are so many options, so many options.

00:29:38.000 I mean, essentially, this dude just walks up to you.

00:29:41.000 I mean, that's, you are targeted.

00:29:44.000 That, to me, is easier to spot.

00:29:46.000 Do you think so?

00:29:46.000 Do you think that Veritas has like a dossier on the Twitter employees and so they send out like a young dude to this bar and they're like, your target is this man when he pulls up the photograph and he's like, I'm gonna go on a date.

00:29:58.000 This is his type, like looked up like exes on Facebook and stuff.

00:30:01.000 Yes.

00:30:02.000 And then he shows up and sees him.

00:30:04.000 This sounds very fun.

00:30:06.000 It does sound fun, doesn't it?

00:30:08.000 Yeah, until you have to break their heart!

00:30:10.000 Oh yeah.

00:30:10.000 You guys think this is a laughing matter?

00:30:11.000 No, I would fall in love with him.

00:30:12.000 I'd fall in love with my partner.

00:30:14.000 We've already written two really funny bits we should do.

00:30:16.000 One is where it's like the teen drama where the jock dates the ugly girl because he was dared to do it.

00:30:22.000 That's great.

00:30:22.000 It's like, I thought you loved me like I do!

00:30:24.000 It's become something else.

00:30:25.000 But then the other one is the sting goes all the way to marriage.

00:30:30.000 No, I want it to go further.

00:30:31.000 I would do it where it starts with them getting married, and then the next thing is the guy's 25th wedding anniversary.

00:30:36.000 The next one is in the hospital dying with his wife he's been married to his entire life.

00:30:40.000 And then after that, it's like both of them buried in the dead.

00:30:44.000 Strangely, periodically, there's different men doing work, and they're all James O'Keefe.

00:30:50.000 One day, they're like... The milkman!

00:30:54.000 Who still gets milk delivered? 1.00

00:30:55.000 Shut up, honey! 1.00

00:30:58.000 Just gonna fix the cable here. 1.00

00:31:00.000 He's just like positioning his jacket.

00:31:03.000 He's like literally setting up cameras.

00:31:04.000 Like, no, it's the cable.

00:31:05.000 It's for the cable.

00:31:07.000 Dude, I'm not kidding.

00:31:08.000 One million percent.

00:31:08.000 We should legit do it.

00:31:09.000 I will stay another day to film this.

00:31:11.000 Let's do it.

00:31:12.000 We gotta have James fly out.

00:31:14.000 So here's another story.

00:31:15.000 This is more political.

00:31:16.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:31:16.000 It's Elon Musk again.

00:31:18.000 Newsweek reports Elon Musk says he'll vote Republican for the first time in the next election.

00:31:23.000 Elon Musk, one of us.

00:31:25.000 What's it, Google Gobble?

00:31:27.000 Google Gobble, Elon Musk.

00:31:28.000 If I see him shortly, I will tell him Google Gobble.

00:31:30.000 Yes.

00:31:31.000 Do you guys know the reference?

00:31:32.000 It's from a really old movie.

00:31:33.000 Freaks?

00:31:33.000 Yeah.

00:31:34.000 Where the woman is like at the table and all the people are going, Google Gobble. 1.00

00:31:38.000 One of us.

00:31:39.000 So, Elon Musk, he basically said, I have voted overwhelmingly for Democrats historically.

00:31:44.000 Like, I'm not sure.

00:31:45.000 I might never have voted for a Republican, just to be clear.

00:31:47.000 Now, this election, I will.

00:31:50.000 Newsweek says they're not sure if it's the midterms of the 2024 presidential election, which is a weird thing to add considering he said the next election, which is literally the midterms, but sure, whatever.

00:31:58.000 Elon Musk has continually been posting memes about either the left losing the middle, the left going too far left, or of him being like, yo, I'm a moderate and this doesn't speak to me and things like that.

00:32:07.000 It's interesting now, I tweeted, maybe the left should stop and reflect on why they're losing so many people.

00:32:15.000 They won't do it.

00:32:15.000 The responses I got were people saying like, uh, the ultra rich guy who doesn't want to pay taxes.

00:32:21.000 No, of course he wants to be a Republican.

00:32:23.000 That's why all the billionaires are constantly promoting right-wing policy.

00:32:27.000 But real quick, since 2012, as we've covered on this show extensively, Democrats have been the party of the wealthy.

00:32:34.000 It's been reiterated in 2021 with more data showing higher income earners are aligned with the Democratic Party.

00:32:38.000 Elon Musk just paid more taxes than anyone's ever paid in history.

00:32:42.000 And why didn't he vote?

00:32:44.000 Four years ago, Republican, when he was already, when he's still a billionaire.

00:32:47.000 I've seen everyone from my broke jiu-jitsu friends to people who have health podcasts over COVID, over Trump because of the Twitter wokeness, slowly go more and more to the right.

00:33:01.000 You know, people wanted me to go sort of like full right-wing actual grifter after my cancellation happened.

00:33:11.000 And I didn't do it.

00:33:12.000 And so when I talk about this stuff, I'm actually talking about it from the left.

00:33:15.000 I, as someone who is still fairly liberal, sees the left being pushed farther and farther away because it wasn't Republicans who were shutting down their businesses or gyms over COVID.

00:33:27.000 It wasn't, you know, I have friends who, they're professional athletes.

00:33:31.000 And suddenly it was Donald Trump saying to go outside and exercise and Democrats saying, if you go for a walk, you're going to, you know, kill your aunt or whatever.

00:33:38.000 All the wokeness, all my comedy friends who love Dave Chappelle, and even if they don't agree with everything Dave Chappelle says, suddenly it's the left trying to censor their favorite comedians.

00:33:50.000 God, when I was watching Chappelle in New York, he was going after Bush, going after the war in Iraq, talking about the war on drugs.

00:33:57.000 He's always been a liberal dude.

00:34:00.000 I'm watching these people go from disenfranchised, I'm sick of the left, I guess I'm not really a democrat, maybe I'm independent, to a lot of them just going, you know what?

00:34:08.000 Conservatives are cooler right now.

00:34:09.000 I'm just gonna, I'm gonna go.

00:34:11.000 I did a show in Houston and there were these three little goth kids in the front row and they were tattooed and they were like 21 or something and I asked them, I thought they were super liberal, I'm like, what's it like being liberal in Houston?

00:34:22.000 And they were like, nah, F that man.

00:34:24.000 We're conservatives.

00:34:25.000 And I was like, you look like undercover Antifa agents.

00:34:27.000 Like what is happening?

00:34:28.000 Like, yo bro, watch this PragerU video.

00:34:30.000 Yeah, you want to go do DMT and talk about the free market?

00:34:30.000 You're like, what?

00:34:33.000 Like it was that and it's like, yeah, man, we are pushing these people away.

00:34:39.000 It has nothing to do with privilege or wealth.

00:34:42.000 I'm talking to normal people.

00:34:44.000 I've lived in Arizona and Texas the last couple years.

00:34:46.000 Not in Brooklyn.

00:34:47.000 Not in Los Angeles.

00:34:49.000 And their grievances are valid.

00:34:52.000 I don't know if that would make me full conservative, but the stuff that pushed them away, I don't disagree with.

00:34:58.000 Are you sure?

00:34:58.000 Are you sure the left is pushing them away?

00:35:00.000 Or maybe Turning Point USA is just making really good memes.

00:35:03.000 That's it.

00:35:04.000 That's probably it.

00:35:05.000 I gotta tell you, uh, so, so, uh, it was six months ago that I was a hardcore socialist, uh, authoritarian, uh, uh, you know, just absolutely.

00:35:15.000 And, um, I wore, I wore, uh, uniforms every day.

00:35:18.000 And then Charlie Kirk smiled at me and I was just like a bolt of lightning.

00:35:21.000 Oh my God.

00:35:21.000 It was another James O'Keefe setup, dude.

00:35:23.000 Why'd you let Charlie Cook smile at you like that? 1.00

00:35:26.000 They got you.

00:35:27.000 No, this is interesting because Like the left is in my opinion has gone absolutely insane

00:35:34.000 and it's exemplified in a lot of ways one I love playing this video from the juice media. It's an old

00:35:40.000 video from I Briefly thought you said from the Jew media and I was like,

00:35:43.000 well, here we go My last name is Kirsten ever calm down you're like I'm

00:35:51.000 coming here not to get canceled All right, well, let's play it hit up the Jew media 0.99

00:35:56.000 everybody the juice Juice.

00:35:58.000 Juice.

00:35:59.000 Orange juice.

00:36:00.000 They do produce a lot of progressive stuff today.

00:36:01.000 But um There's this guy Hugo Ferrant.

00:36:03.000 I'm probably pronouncing your name wrong Hugo He did a thing called rap news and rap news six is about cable gate with Julian Assange in this in this video and Hell yeah.

00:36:13.000 defending the release of effectively defending the release of the cables from WikiLeaks

00:36:18.000 criticizing Hillary Clinton as the secret Terry keeping secrets in the public and threatening

00:36:23.000 to prosecute Assange because Australia is in the American empire and they control the stuff

00:36:28.000 Alex Jones is in it screaming that the globalist not a commie Nazi fascists are coming. Hell yeah. 0.96

00:36:34.000 So so that depiction of of Jones is is the 10 years ago when he was like the government is evil

00:36:39.000 and they're trying to take over now they're claiming he is a Nazi he says in the end they're

00:36:43.000 trying to turn back the clock on freedom of speech and And so I'm like, if you praise Julian Assange, say that they're trying to turn back the clock on freedom of speech, say Hillary Clinton is bad or wrong, and depict Alex Jones as someone fighting Nazis, you are right-wing.

00:36:57.000 But that video was progressive left in 2010.

00:37:00.000 Now, of course, you could say, well, that's just what happens.

00:37:03.000 Conservatives, you know, people who are progressive, eventually the whole society, culture shifts left.

00:37:08.000 And I'm like, no, no, no, no, hold on there a minute. 0.98

00:37:09.000 That's ridiculous. 0.83

00:37:10.000 No, that's a great point. 0.95

00:37:11.000 I remember, you know, in my super progressive days, being like, the Clintons are tied to Goldman, they're corporate, blah, blah, blah.

00:37:17.000 Then Trump goes, they're tied to Goldman. 0.98

00:37:19.000 And it's like, well, he hates women.

00:37:22.000 What Trump left out is like, well, he's also part of the swamp, right? 0.89

00:37:25.000 Like, so is his team.

00:37:26.000 Like, they're all corporate hacks.

00:37:28.000 However, It was.

00:37:30.000 It's also true.

00:37:31.000 Like, I've been saying that about Clinton forever.

00:37:33.000 Liberals have been saying that about Clinton forever.

00:37:35.000 This is why I didn't vote for Trump in 2016.

00:37:36.000 I'm lying.

00:37:38.000 I don't buy it.

00:37:38.000 I don't believe it.

00:37:39.000 I don't care.

00:37:40.000 In his first term, Trump does appoint, you know, I'll always just say Bolton, Warhawk was one of the worst ideas.

00:37:45.000 Nuts.

00:37:46.000 And he had to get rid of him and Bolton betrayed him.

00:37:48.000 And there were several people that he brought on.

00:37:50.000 But I quickly then saw that Trump was whatever he is outside of that establishment order.

00:37:58.000 He was no new wars.

00:37:59.000 He was pulling our troops out of the Middle East.

00:38:01.000 And I was like, I'll take what I can get.

00:38:03.000 And if Biden's the other choice, then I'm gonna vote for Trump.

00:38:08.000 So I feel like Elon.

00:38:10.000 I feel like, wow, I guess I'm gonna vote for this guy.

00:38:13.000 But even Vox.com said Trump was moderate.

00:38:15.000 And I still, that was back in 2016, and I still was like, eh, I'm not gonna play this game.

00:38:19.000 But now, let's throw it back to what we had last night when Matt Bender was here.

00:38:25.000 I'm traditionally, like my political position is that of like a 2012 liberal Democrat, you know, probably not, I wouldn't even call it moderate or centrist.

00:38:34.000 And the argument the left says is, if you have stayed the same place from where you were 10 years ago, then of course today you're conservative because the younger generation is more progressive and that's what happens.

00:38:45.000 Like, they say things like, yeah.

00:38:47.000 And people from 1954 were like, this 1964 Civil Rights Act is too much change.

00:38:53.000 I'm just a regular person from 1954.

00:38:54.000 And I'm like, eugenicists in the 1900s and 20s also thought they were the future.

00:39:00.000 They were not.

00:39:01.000 They were wrong.

00:39:02.000 Just because you have ideas doesn't mean they're the future.

00:39:04.000 You could be wrong.

00:39:05.000 So I'll say this to the Elon thing.

00:39:07.000 I thought it was absolutely fascinating that we had on a progressive who was arguing with me.

00:39:12.000 And my position is pro-choice.

00:39:15.000 And he was like, we were so far apart in our view on abortion that he believed I was conservative.

00:39:22.000 And Seamus is the conservative pro-lifer.

00:39:24.000 You're the problem, Seamus.

00:39:27.000 I think he wanted you to be pro-life more than I want you to be pro-life.

00:39:32.000 I agree.

00:39:33.000 And you want to do it for babies.

00:39:34.000 He wants to do it for Twitter.

00:39:39.000 But no, it's funny because this is something you and I have argued about a number of times on the show, the abortion issue.

00:39:48.000 Tim is not on the conservative side of the issue.

00:39:52.000 Definitely not.

00:39:52.000 It's the traditional liberal side.

00:39:54.000 I'm glad that you guys make Lydia be quiet during the interview.

00:39:57.000 Oh, I know.

00:40:01.000 I follow her on Twitter.

00:40:03.000 I see it.

00:40:04.000 And my old woke brain is like, I can't argue with her.

00:40:06.000 She's a woman. 0.82

00:40:08.000 Yeah.

00:40:09.000 That's when you pull the woke card.

00:40:10.000 Anytime someone tries to go after your pro life, be like, uh, my body, my choice.

00:40:14.000 Yeah.

00:40:16.000 You know, and not to be too earnest, but the bummer of that is when I'm talking to someone, I mean, Lydia and I were talking about abortion, because that's how I small talk, before we went on air, like downstairs.

00:40:30.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:40:30.000 So that abortion.

00:40:31.000 That's my first Tinder date as I'm speaking into someone's microphone, is when you have someone who is even moderately on your side, That is the time, instead of looking to pick them apart for Twitter or whatever, that's the time to actually talk about compromise.

00:40:51.000 So like, Lydia and I were talking about, and me and her are pretty far apart on this issue, but we were talking about things we agreed with, like things that kids should be taught, like access to contraception or sex ed or, you know, whatever.

00:41:08.000 If one side just goes, you want to kill women, and the other side just goes, you want to kill babies, it's like, well, there's not a ton of middle ground there.

00:41:15.000 But if you find someone who goes, you know, I'm pro-life, but yeah, in the case of rape and incest, like I'm torn, that's your opportunity to have a conversation with them. 0.96

00:41:24.000 If you have someone who goes, I'm pro-choice, but having an abortion like, man, like six months in, like, That seems kind of rough, right?

00:41:30.000 That's your chance for a pro-life person to have a conversation, and then you guys are talking, and then you can actually come up with some sort of, well, how do we stop unwanted pregnancies?

00:41:39.000 Or how do we work on that?

00:41:40.000 Because that's a solvable issue.

00:41:42.000 Or, well, I think there's a couple things, not necessarily just like stopping unwanted pregnancies.

00:41:47.000 Like, how do we find a home for children whose mothers didn't plan the pregnancy? 0.99

00:41:52.000 And then also, because one thing I would disagree with is, so I don't believe in any exceptions, but Tim and I have conversations about it pretty frequently.

00:41:59.000 I do think the conversation can be open, but there has to be a belief that you can reason with the person.

00:42:04.000 I think that's really important.

00:42:06.000 And like, in some cases, It's warranted, unfortunately.

00:42:06.000 And we've kind of lost that.

00:42:09.000 Seamus has made some good points that even in the past month, my position's shifted.

00:42:13.000 We call it the first trimester.

00:42:18.000 So Seamus mentioned, I was thinking about this earlier, you were talking about how abortion was the intentional killing of the baby. 0.61

00:42:24.000 And this was like a month or two ago.

00:42:25.000 And I was like, no, no, no, no, we're not talking about that.

00:42:27.000 We're talking about if the term pregnancy has to be ended for some reason.

00:42:31.000 And then you were saying, yes, and that abortion would mean killing the baby.

00:42:33.000 And I said, that's not true.

00:42:34.000 I was wrong.

00:42:35.000 And then, because just the other day we pulled up the CDC definition, which literally says, an abortion is a termination of a pregnancy that does not result in a live birth.

00:42:43.000 Meaning, if you would legalize abortion, post-viability, due to the pregnancy causing a risk to the pregnant patient's health, as the law read, you would be saying, terminate the pregnancy and not result in a live birth.

00:42:59.000 Why do that when you can just... I know, I don't want to get into the issue.

00:43:03.000 I want to just make the point that that was sort of like a realization for me.

00:43:07.000 So anyway, I want to stick it back to the politics because otherwise we'll just talk about abortion forever.

00:43:13.000 It was fascinating that, you know, Matt Bender is a modern leftist or, you know, progressive, whatever you want to call it.

00:43:20.000 We used to be buddies.

00:43:22.000 And he's arguing with me as though I'm not pro-choice.

00:43:27.000 Because he said that he believes a woman has the right to abort a baby at nine months, electively, for any reason.

00:43:35.000 And that's what we saw with Eric Adams recently.

00:43:38.000 Jen Psaki, I think before she left, said Joe Biden believes there should be no restrictions.

00:43:41.000 We saw it with Northam.

00:43:43.000 We saw it with Kathy Tran.

00:43:44.000 I read the bill from Colorado, which outright says there—get this—the Colorado bill not only says there can be no restrictions, it says a fetus, embryo, or fertilized egg has no rights under state law.

00:43:57.000 It gets crazier and it goes back further than people realize.

00:44:00.000 In the early 2000s, Obama as a senator voted against the Born Alive Act.

00:44:08.000 Would you say that that is the extreme version, just like these things being floated right now about making miscarriages a crime or birth control a crime?

00:44:20.000 Would that be the extreme on the other end, or would you not equate the two?

00:44:25.000 Well, I don't know anyone who's saying a miscarriage should be a crime. I haven't heard anyone argue that.

00:44:25.000 Babies.

00:44:30.000 I think people will say that certain abortifacients should be, but I don't know that they're talking about birth

00:44:36.000 control in general or contraceptives in general.

00:44:39.000 Got it.

00:44:40.000 Yeah, and I think, uh...

00:44:42.000 When we hear stuff like that, it's simple enough to just be like, Seamus, do you agree with that?

00:44:49.000 Do you think this is a crime?

00:44:50.000 I don't think we're not, but part of the problem is that it's like the framing bothers me because I don't know anyone.

00:44:56.000 I mean, I know a lot of pro-life people.

00:44:58.000 I don't know anyone who says like a miscarriage should be penalized.

00:45:01.000 So here's the way I see it.

00:45:03.000 It's like, okay, let's try and have a conversation.

00:45:04.000 If someone is convinced, like, I don't know, I saw this story, it said it was true. 0.79

00:45:07.000 I'd be like, okay, well, I think that's wrong.

00:45:08.000 We agree.

00:45:09.000 Well, and then I can also go, Oh, I don't know.

00:45:11.000 Yeah.

00:45:12.000 I saw it on Twitter.

00:45:12.000 Maybe it wasn't, you know what I mean?

00:45:13.000 Like I was even ashamed on a.

00:45:15.000 On like a pro life level.

00:45:18.000 I was sort of ashamed that I didn't really.

00:45:21.000 And again, I've never said I was an abortion expert.

00:45:24.000 I'm there, you know, feminists and whatever that know a lot more than me, but I. 1.00

00:45:29.000 There was a part of me when I started getting Republican friends and this, uh,

00:45:35.000 I just started rounding them up and this came out.

00:45:38.000 I was so used to throwing out my pro-choice tweets.

00:45:42.000 I, you know, had them locked and loaded, know the formula, blah blah blah, call Ben Shapiro short, whatever it is. 0.57

00:45:47.000 And then suddenly my feed for the first time in my life, my Twitter feed is like, yeah, well I guess they just want to kill babies.

00:45:54.000 To be honest, I don't actually have an answer to that question.

00:45:55.000 He does have me there.

00:45:56.000 And so, and then suddenly my feed for the first time in my life, my Twitter feed is 0.97

00:46:03.000 like, yeah, well, I guess I just want to kill babies. 0.95

00:46:05.000 And I was like, wait a second, I don't want to kill babies. 0.96

00:46:07.000 And I literally realized that I, I never had researched.

00:46:12.000 Like you were saying, Tim, like, I don't know.

00:46:14.000 When does it feel?

00:46:16.000 When does it?

00:46:17.000 I actually did not know the answer.

00:46:19.000 And I think again, if, if people were willing to go, I don't know, or if someone, if

00:46:25.000 If pro-life people, instead of just, we're so used to, we have to defend our stuff, we're on Twitter, we're on the news, we have to stick to our talking point.

00:46:34.000 If you can take a second to go, man, like even you said you're not for abortion in any cases, but to take that second to go, dude, I don't know what it would be like to be a woman who was raped and to have to give that baby the term.

00:46:46.000 And yeah, we should talk about it.

00:46:48.000 I'm not for it, but just, I feel like neither side will show empathy.

00:46:53.000 And that's what we need to do.

00:46:55.000 And then we can disagree and then we can talk, but probably if we're both showing empathy, we can go, okay, this person's actually a decent human who you're doing what you think is right, right?

00:47:03.000 If you think you're saving babies, then I must look like a monster, right?

00:47:06.000 If I think I'm saving women, vice versa. 0.97

00:47:09.000 I got to disagree with you on this.

00:47:11.000 The right is notorious for being memed as the debate me side, right?

00:47:16.000 Ben Shapiro, why won't you debate me?

00:47:17.000 Oh, right, right, right.

00:47:18.000 So when, if I make a YouTube video, there's the rule and the exceptions.

00:47:26.000 If I make a video and I'm like, I believe conservative policy is, or I believe policy is wrong.

00:47:34.000 Conservatives will comment and they'll make arguments at me.

00:47:38.000 If I say policy is wrong and it goes against the left, they'll call my advertisers.

00:47:42.000 They'll start contacting various companies.

00:47:45.000 I'll start getting angry emails.

00:47:46.000 I'll get death threats.

00:47:47.000 So when you say there's no empathy, Seamus and I can disagree on the issue, you know, every day.

00:47:54.000 And we laugh together and we hang out together.

00:47:57.000 To be clear, I was saying both sides.

00:47:57.000 Oh, no, no.

00:47:59.000 Trust me.

00:48:00.000 I've been canceled.

00:48:00.000 Like, I know the left doesn't.

00:48:02.000 I was saying these conversations are important.

00:48:06.000 The fact that you disagree and you can still make jokes about it.

00:48:10.000 Like, that is what's important.

00:48:12.000 And it's weird that... Right, right.

00:48:13.000 What I'm saying, I disagree.

00:48:14.000 It's not both sides.

00:48:15.000 Oh, it is it is it is the rule on the left and the exception on the right the left will not tolerate deviance

00:48:21.000 the right Might not but typically will engage with what was more

00:48:23.000 likely to have a conversation with you This is why we see the Elon Musk poll. This is why

00:48:28.000 This is why Elon Musk feels the way he does. It's why so many people who watch this feel the way they do

00:48:33.000 I mean, I can't speak to your experience, but you look at not good

00:48:38.000 But people who are you're on the left and then all of a sudden they destroy you

00:48:42.000 Yeah, and then people on the right are sitting there drinking a beer like you want a beer dude

00:48:45.000 Like, tell us what happened.

00:48:46.000 Yeah.

00:48:47.000 I mean, that is actually what happened.

00:48:48.000 Yeah, I was gonna say, you said you rounded up a bunch of right-wing friends.

00:48:50.000 I think they rounded you up.

00:48:51.000 They're like, a liberal who got cancelled?

00:48:53.000 Get over here! 1.00

00:48:54.000 I was telling my friend the other day, if I wrote a book called From Feminist to Freedom Fighter, I would be a billionaire.

00:49:01.000 Just me holding the flag and a giant red pill.

00:49:03.000 I would have so much money.

00:49:06.000 You know, I'll write it at this point.

00:49:07.000 I've had enough of this.

00:49:08.000 By the way, this whiskey is very, very good.

00:49:10.000 And so strong.

00:49:12.000 I take a sip and my body is just lit for five minutes.

00:49:15.000 See, he knows whiskey.

00:49:16.000 Lauren doesn't.

00:49:17.000 She put that in a paper cup.

00:49:19.000 No, no, no.

00:49:20.000 The only reason I'm not hammered is because they warned me about what Lauren did.

00:49:24.000 And I was like, I get it.

00:49:25.000 That's why it's next to my giant water bottle.

00:49:27.000 I'm sipping it very slowly.

00:49:29.000 Lauren was just grabbed a $1,000 bottle of whiskey and was just pouring it into a paper cup and drinking it.

00:49:35.000 And then I didn't realize it.

00:49:36.000 I looked over and I was like, Lauren, are you pouring the Pappy in the paper cup?

00:49:39.000 And she's like, what's that?

00:49:40.000 What's this?

00:49:41.000 Let's be real.

00:49:41.000 It's kind of a flex.

00:49:42.000 It's a little bit of a flex.

00:49:43.000 It's legit.

00:49:44.000 Yup.

00:49:45.000 I'm like, this is this is like a special drink.

00:49:47.000 I almost drank it out of a coffee mug. 1.00

00:49:49.000 Me and Lauren are trash people. 1.00

00:49:52.000 So anyway, look. 0.96

00:49:55.000 Well, what you were saying is, you know, the Lydia and I were talking about this, too, which is one of the weirdest things that happened.

00:50:05.000 Was.

00:50:07.000 I could have made money and needed money and I didn't want to be a, you know, center-right version of the pretentious liberal that I was because that's what got me in trouble.

00:50:17.000 It was being a self-righteous, loud liberal, then I have an affair and they go, ha ha ha, you're not perfect.

00:50:22.000 You know, that was the story.

00:50:23.000 Any comic on stage who did what I did, who talked about it, especially talked about it with like regret, like, yeah, I wish I didn't do it.

00:50:30.000 It was awful.

00:50:31.000 You know, no one's getting in trouble for that.

00:50:34.000 This is what you got canceled over on the left. Yeah.

00:50:37.000 And so.

00:50:38.000 But in the feminist world, a consensual affair got called 1.00

00:50:42.000 sexual misconduct, consensual one night stands got called predatory

00:50:45.000 behavior.

00:50:46.000 And I was like, it's Remember Aziz Ansari?

00:50:49.000 Yeah.

00:50:50.000 He had a bad date and she was like, it was assault.

00:50:52.000 And he was like, whoa.

00:50:53.000 Yeah.

00:50:54.000 The Woodward and Bernstein reporting of babe.net.

00:50:57.000 Is that the article you were talking about?

00:50:58.000 It was literally called babe.net.

00:50:59.000 There was like no fact checking.

00:51:00.000 I mean, there was a line in the Jezebel article written about me where it said a girl, a girl that I slept with, sorry, a woman, um, that I slept with.

00:51:10.000 Um.

00:51:12.000 Literally in the article said something along the lines of, it was the safest I felt with a man.

00:51:16.000 Something saying that when I'm with women, I treat them well. 1.00

00:51:19.000 And then said, but a week later he called me a road F on his podcast.

00:51:25.000 And then Jezebel in parentheses said, Jezebel could not find that quote.

00:51:29.000 And it's like, right. 0.99

00:51:30.000 Cause I'm not talking about smashing road poon on my feminist podcast with my wife, you psychopaths. 1.00

00:51:35.000 But they still printed that. 0.98

00:51:36.000 And that was enough.

00:51:37.000 And that headline will still come up when people are looking for me.

00:51:40.000 I mean, I've had to have... Something people don't think about with cancellations?

00:51:44.000 Like, I've lost tons of gigs.

00:51:45.000 Still, this is eight years ago.

00:51:47.000 I am a literally different man.

00:51:50.000 Every relationship I've had... Try explaining to elderly, conservative parents of your girlfriend what the MeToo movement is.

00:51:57.000 Or what an open relationship... Like, there's just weird stuff that will haunt you Always.

00:52:03.000 But I do feel like if you're meeting your girlfriend's conservative parents for the first time, and you want to explain to them cancellation, you can be like, a bunch of libs were lying about trying to cancel me.

00:52:12.000 And they'll be like, we got you.

00:52:13.000 These feminists. 1.00

00:52:15.000 I mean, yeah.

00:52:15.000 Yeah.

00:52:16.000 Yeah.

00:52:16.000 You know what?

00:52:17.000 That is probably the move I should do.

00:52:18.000 Do conservatives not ask enough questions?

00:52:21.000 What do you mean?

00:52:21.000 I'm giving you a hard time because you're like, yeah, no, I got canceled by a bunch of liberals.

00:52:25.000 They're like, oh, nice.

00:52:26.000 And I'm like, for what?

00:52:27.000 No, no, no.

00:52:27.000 What happened?

00:52:28.000 They're going to say, I get it.

00:52:29.000 They're going to say, oh, I know exactly what that is.

00:52:31.000 Be like, let me bang your daughter, and we'll drink these liberal tears together. 1.00

00:52:34.000 Because if you're like, if you Google search me, there's some bad things that come up. 0.80

00:52:37.000 They're going to go, ooh.

00:52:39.000 But if you say, a bunch of feminists got mad and started lying about me. 1.00

00:52:43.000 They'll be like, we hear you, brother.

00:52:44.000 Yeah.

00:52:45.000 They're going to be like, you poor man.

00:52:48.000 And then the father's gonna be like, I approve of this relationship.

00:52:51.000 That's my go-to excuse for anything I do wrong ever again.

00:52:51.000 You know what?

00:52:53.000 Like, dude, a bunch of feminists lied about me. 1.00

00:52:55.000 I don't know what to do.

00:52:56.000 I'm sorry.

00:52:57.000 Well, we have a recording of you saying that.

00:52:59.000 It was from a feminist recording.

00:53:00.000 Even with my family, my mom's like, your brother said that you did this.

00:53:05.000 I was like, there's a bunch of feminists lying about me. 1.00

00:53:06.000 Don't even worry about it.

00:53:07.000 Don't even worry about it.

00:53:08.000 You're at a Trump rally and you fart and some woman calls you out.

00:53:11.000 I'm like, there's a bunch of feminists. 1.00

00:53:12.000 She's a feminist and they're like, oh, she's lying. 1.00

00:53:14.000 Yeah, you didn't see Antifa run by, fart, and then jump into the bushes?

00:53:17.000 It was literally an Antifa super soldier fart.

00:53:20.000 So, before the show, you were asking me, like, if I had a moment where I moved or anything like that.

00:53:26.000 Yeah.

00:53:27.000 And I was saying, like, I'm in essentially the exact same place I've always been, except for, like, gun control.

00:53:33.000 Right.

00:53:34.000 Because I was moderate on gun control.

00:53:36.000 Now I'm basically a two-way absolutist, and I've even argued the Constitution guarantees the right of an individual to have nuclear weapons.

00:53:41.000 You want to change it?

00:53:42.000 It should be that way, I'm saying.

00:53:45.000 People had cannons and frigates and privateers and all that stuff.

00:53:49.000 So for me, I didn't change.

00:53:52.000 But the issue is, conservatives didn't change either.

00:53:56.000 Everybody changed a little bit.

00:53:57.000 Everybody moved a little bit to the left, actually.

00:53:59.000 You can look at data from the New York Times.

00:54:01.000 Yeah, conservatives seem way cooler with, like, gay people. 0.66

00:54:04.000 Right, like Trump unfurled an LGBT flag on stage at like the RNC or something.

00:54:07.000 Did he do it gaily, though?

00:54:09.000 That would have been the flag.

00:54:10.000 But he made a point about how, you know, the guy who, you know, shot up the nightclub, he was like, he's killing our people.

00:54:18.000 They were like, yes, like, that's wrong.

00:54:18.000 And they clapped for it.

00:54:20.000 And so there were a lot of changes that happened.

00:54:24.000 Trump being OK with gay marriage was You know how a lot of people were like, OK, like this is this is Obama and Clinton weren't OK with it.

00:54:32.000 Right, right, right.

00:54:32.000 It got passed because Biden like slipped up on the view, right?

00:54:35.000 Or something like that.

00:54:36.000 So so I'm watching this this video from Rap News, Rap News number six, and pro free speech, pro Julian Assange.

00:54:44.000 And I'm like, all of these positions right now, if you watch that, you'd be a Trump supporter.

00:54:48.000 And this was back during Occupy Wall Street, like pre-Occupy Wall Street.

00:54:51.000 When they actually the rat news guys filmed at Occupy Wall Street and I'm in the video 0.88

00:54:56.000 as part of a group with anonymous and we're like yelling stuff because when I found out that they

00:55:00.000 were making the video I I I saw it on their Facebook. You started spitting bars. I know I

00:55:05.000 was like let me in let me in like dude I love this stuff I want to be I want to be in so I'm

00:55:08.000 I'm just like an extra in it yeah as we're all like chanting or whatever but if you follow them

00:55:13.000 if you believed in what they believed back then you would be a Trump supporter today.

00:55:16.000 Right.

00:55:17.000 Well, I can't remember who made this point, but it was one of our guests.

00:55:20.000 And they said, do you think anyone who was in a coma for 10 years and then woke up today would go, Oh my gosh, things have gotten so far to the right.

00:55:28.000 Like, do you think they'd read the newspaper and see current events and go, Oh my goodness, this country is so conservative now.

00:55:32.000 I, I have, uh, I'll try and keep as much information private as possible, but there are certain individuals of moderate prominence who were, let's just say, indisposed for a few years during the Trump administration.

00:55:46.000 And when they came out, they were politically homeless and confused because the left was not the left anymore.

00:55:52.000 So I used to hang out with a ton of people in the hacker community back pre-Occupy Wall Street.

00:55:58.000 Can they help my Google search if they're listening to this?

00:56:01.000 I mean, yes, they can.

00:56:02.000 You guys shoot me a DM, please.

00:56:03.000 These are like reputation management firms these days and all this stuff.

00:56:07.000 So my hacker friends were pro-free speech, pro-edgy comedy.

00:56:11.000 They were very, very into super offensive internet posts, trolling, goatee stuff, shock content, lemon party, all those really awful things.

00:56:21.000 Don't let your kids go look up.

00:56:22.000 Don't do it.

00:56:24.000 Something happened.

00:56:25.000 Tell the kids about it and tell them don't look so there there are certain people like they'll pay the price Certain hackers who end up going to prison.

00:56:33.000 Yeah with a limited access to news and the internet culture Yeah, they come out and then all of a sudden they're like, all right Where's the left and they're like we don't like free speech anymore and they're like what?

00:56:46.000 And like all the things you used to say and do that we were friends with you for if you do now We will punish you I mean, Louis J. Gomez, the Legion of Skanks guys were called Proud Boys. 0.94

00:56:55.000 Louis J. Gomez, who is Puerto Rican.

00:56:57.000 They're some of the funniest comedians in the world.

00:56:59.000 And I did shows with them a couple of weeks ago.

00:57:02.000 And their audience is if you just follow Twitter, you would assume it's an audience of Nazis and their audience is diverse.

00:57:09.000 They are sweet.

00:57:11.000 They just like good comedy.

00:57:12.000 But now, yeah, your friends get out of jail.

00:57:14.000 And Ben Shapiro is the only one defending Dave Chappelle, where the right has suddenly taken on Dave Chappelle.

00:57:20.000 and the left is it's just again isolating and alienating comedy fans now i will say on the other side and i think this doesn't have to do with left or right it's just tribalism in general i remember something that really disappointed me Was I went on a bunch of right wing shows and I stayed liberal.

00:57:40.000 You know, I went on Glenn Beck's.

00:57:41.000 It was great.

00:57:42.000 We disagreed with some stuff, but I got to talk about Palestine on Glenn Beck show.

00:57:45.000 That's dope. 0.93

00:57:46.000 And we mainly talked about tribalism and I did a bunch of other right wing shows. 0.83

00:57:52.000 And again, you're a grifter if I go on a right-wing show and I start saying things I don't believe in for money, right?

00:57:58.000 If I go on Glenn Beck's and I'm like, yeah, we can build a wall and it's just stuff I don't believe in.

00:58:02.000 But I was still myself.

00:58:04.000 So I get like hundreds of new followers and a bunch of people saying the equivalent of, I don't agree with you, but I like that you're trying to bring people together, blah, blah, blah. 0.96

00:58:14.000 Then George Floyd gets killed and I start posting A bunch of don't kill black people. 0.93

00:58:20.000 Nothing crazy. 0.96

00:58:21.000 I don't preachy Jamie. 1.00

00:58:22.000 Just don't kill black people. 0.97

00:58:24.000 And which again, even Trump and Pence ended up saying that that was bad, right? 0.99

00:58:28.000 And I remember people even on my Instagram, which is usually less of a cesspool than Twitter. 0.98

00:58:34.000 We're like, ah, looks like feminist cuck. 1.00

00:58:37.000 Jamie's back. 0.98

00:58:38.000 Here we go with lib stuff.

00:58:40.000 And the fact that I got canceled by some fake feminists. 1.00

00:58:45.000 implies that I have to be pro George Floyd being killed.

00:58:49.000 Like that's why I think tribalism is the problem.

00:58:51.000 Absolutely.

00:58:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:52.000 And right now the left is doing it worse than the right, but it still

00:58:55.000 happens on both sides where don't don't pretend you are above my politics

00:59:01.000 And just while I can be used as a prop, of course.

00:59:01.000 and think I'm a good guy.

00:59:05.000 Where you can just point to me and be like, oh, look at that guy.

00:59:07.000 He's anti-woke. 0.94

00:59:07.000 He got screwed over by whatever. 0.94

00:59:09.000 I'm like, I don't want to be anyone's prop.

00:59:10.000 I can still have these thoughts that sometimes conservatives will disagree with, sometimes liberals will disagree with.

00:59:15.000 That's why I think it's the rule for the left, the exception for the right in terms of that animosity.

00:59:20.000 The left is very tribal.

00:59:22.000 If you deviate on one thing, boom, you're right wing.

00:59:24.000 That's crazy.

00:59:25.000 The right, you'll certainly have people, you know, people posted me and stuff all the time as well.

00:59:32.000 But for the most part, they might yell at you, but that's about it.

00:59:36.000 They're not gonna call your boss.

00:59:37.000 Yeah, do you think a lot of it's just Twitter in general?

00:59:40.000 Because when I meet liberal people at the gym, or on a date, or conservative people, I think actually more people than we think feel the exact same way we're talking.

00:59:51.000 You just get the lunatics on both sides on Twitter.

00:59:53.000 No, they're just trying to get info out of you because they work for Veritas. 1.00

00:59:55.000 Damn it! 0.99

00:59:56.000 I knew it! 0.99

00:59:56.000 Sorry, dude. 0.99

00:59:57.000 But we met organically!

00:59:58.000 No, no, no, no. 0.89

01:00:00.000 The right wing lunatics aren't on Twitter. 0.91

01:00:03.000 They're all banned. 0.88

01:00:04.000 That's actually a good point.

01:00:05.000 You're seeing the sanitized conservative movement on Twitter.

01:00:09.000 And you're seeing the fringe of the left on Twitter.

01:00:11.000 So this was bad for Democrats.

01:00:12.000 And I warned about this like three, four years ago.

01:00:16.000 I put it this way.

01:00:18.000 You see two little boys with an adult woman and she's got two little boys with her. 0.98

01:00:21.000 One's just drenched in dirt and chocolate and ice cream and he's all messy looking.

01:00:26.000 The other kid is perfect and clean with a smile on his face.

01:00:30.000 And from the outset you say, okay, that kid is a disaster.

01:00:34.000 He's messy and that other kid is clean and responsible.

01:00:37.000 But the reality is, the mother just doesn't let the clean kid have ice cream.

01:00:42.000 So the kid who's allowed to have ice cream makes a mess, and the kid who's not allowed to have it doesn't have the opportunity to make a mess.

01:00:48.000 When Twitter started suspending bad voices, or voices they thought were bad on the right, they were making it so that the most prominent conservative people on Twitter were Ben Shapiro.

01:00:58.000 You know, a practical, logical, moderate conservative guy.

01:01:02.000 Or I should say, traditional conservative.

01:01:05.000 And then the left is antifa saying burn it down and threatening death.

01:01:09.000 So a regular person goes on and says, Oh, that's a little too much.

01:01:12.000 This, this, this allows Twitter, allowing the left to say and do crazy things, radicalizes people.

01:01:18.000 It generates, it charges up the engine, but people on the right are like, I don't want to get banned.

01:01:23.000 So I'm not going to say that.

01:01:24.000 It's actually making people on the right, try and dress up and get clean.

01:01:24.000 Right.

01:01:27.000 And the left is running amok, smashing windows and looking stupid. 0.99

01:01:30.000 Which is so funny because whenever my argument for when people would equate the extremes on both sides is I was like, oh, what, the left wants you to have like too much health care or wants to end all the war. 0.99

01:01:41.000 But yeah, when you start advocating violence, it's like, well, no, that's that's who we're talking about.

01:01:45.000 Exactly.

01:01:46.000 And so this is an argument that people on the far left are still making.

01:01:50.000 So I saw this the other day when the far left was referred to.

01:01:52.000 There were all sorts of lefties.

01:01:54.000 Oh, what does far left mean?

01:01:55.000 They really want universal health care?

01:01:56.000 And I was like, dude, the positions you're describing all apply to Tim Pool, but he's called far right.

01:02:01.000 It's like, well, obviously we're talking about the far left.

01:02:03.000 We're talking a lot about the social issues.

01:02:05.000 Yeah.

01:02:05.000 I mean, policy wise, I think I would not compare universal health care to bombing Iraq and But then again, you have Democrats who are also droning wet

01:02:15.000 every Democrat voted to fund one of the largest war packages in history

01:02:19.000 If you crank the rest, oh, it's like what six times what anyone else in Europe has paid we put in 54 billion dollars

01:02:25.000 Every Democrat even the squad. Yeah, so, you know man that that is

01:02:30.000 It's funny when we have a debate or argument with you know Matt on abortion and I'm like this has never been a really

01:02:36.000 big issue for me because for one I'm not a woman I I'm not a legal, moral, theological scholar.

01:02:43.000 I had a conversation with Glenn Beck and ultimately I ended with like, man, I really just don't know.

01:02:49.000 I just feel like there's a barrier for me and I can't really... I don't have the answers.

01:02:53.000 That should be the answer.

01:02:54.000 But war.

01:02:57.000 This one's always been very clear-cut for me, and I know a decent amount about what we do, why we do it, why we want to enforce the petrodollar.

01:03:05.000 I bring up all the time the Qatar Turkey pipeline, Gazprom, all this stuff, and I'm like, it is bad that we are doing these things.

01:03:12.000 If you can go from being, you're like, I'm on the left, and I'm like, okay, and you're the anti-war party.

01:03:18.000 And then you vote for Joe Biden.

01:03:20.000 I'm going to look at you and say, huh?

01:03:23.000 And then when Joe Biden's like, come on, give me the biggest war package in history.

01:03:27.000 You're like, okay.

01:03:28.000 I'm like, he's folksy.

01:03:30.000 Progressives are pro war.

01:03:32.000 Progressives are pro war.

01:03:34.000 Liberals are pro war.

01:03:35.000 Democrats are pro war and half the Republicans are pro war.

01:03:37.000 I mean I discovered this I got in a lot of trouble the one time and only time I went on the Conan O'Brien show because I talked all about drone strikes but I did not talk all about drone strikes under Bush.

01:03:49.000 Bush is when I started talking about war but Obama was still using drones so it was under Obama.

01:03:56.000 And it was me and Kobe Bryant were the only other guests.

01:03:59.000 So not exactly like my audience tuning in.

01:04:02.000 And if you watch the clip, the clip's probably still on YouTube.

01:04:05.000 It goes well with the audience.

01:04:07.000 But I was told it was the most complaints they've gotten.

01:04:11.000 And that's why my belief has always been just principles of a party.

01:04:16.000 If you're anti-war, be anti-war under Bush, be anti-war under Obama, be anti-war under Trump, be anti-war under Biden.

01:04:16.000 That's it.

01:04:24.000 It's that simple.

01:04:26.000 But the fact that there's such cognitive dissonance and not only will suddenly they be pro-war, But then they're just getting defensive and they're acting like you're a monster for criticizing Biden or that Susan Sarandon's the reason Roe v. Wade's being overturned.

01:04:40.000 It's absolute insanity.

01:04:41.000 I'm going to cut them some slack and say, maybe it's not Joe Biden.

01:04:47.000 So maybe voting for him, it's not really the problem.

01:04:50.000 I'm kidding, by the way, but now I'm going to reference this story from Fox Business.

01:04:53.000 Elon Musk slams Biden.

01:04:55.000 The real president is whoever controls the teleprompter.

01:04:58.000 Thank you.

01:04:58.000 Musk also warned that the US ignores obvious cause of inflation.

01:05:01.000 It could end up like Venezuela.

01:05:03.000 And he went on to say that someone could bump the teleprompter and then

01:05:06.000 Biden would just read it like Ron Burgundy.

01:05:08.000 So what I'm going to say is we can't blame those who are supporting Joe Biden

01:05:13.000 because Joe Biden isn't the president.

01:05:14.000 Whoever controls the teleprompter is.

01:05:16.000 But well, if you put Joe Biden there and he is being directed by somebody else,

01:05:21.000 then you voted for this.

01:05:21.000 You voted for the war.

01:05:22.000 Can we all talk about my favorite part of that story was it was on Fox news, uh,

01:05:27.000 before the show and the Fox news anchor had to essentially explain what the movie

01:05:32.000 He's like, it is a satirical line from a comedy movie where laughter ensues.

01:05:37.000 Well, you know, the average, uh, I think what's the average age of Fox News viewers?

01:05:41.000 My grandma?

01:05:42.000 62 or something.

01:05:43.000 What's the, what's the Ron Burgundy?

01:05:45.000 They anchor my show.

01:05:46.000 It's a comedy movie.

01:05:47.000 Oh.

01:05:48.000 Shout out to my grandma who sent me a happy birthday text. 1.00

01:05:50.000 I did not have her saved in my phone.

01:05:51.000 But this, but we got toxic family stuff.

01:05:54.000 Because I guess the whole show today is just like literally Elon Musk's daily business.

01:05:58.000 Dude, he's just.

01:05:59.000 Loving life right now.

01:06:00.000 Yeah, it's great isn't it?

01:06:03.000 I gotta I gotta look I gotta I gotta throw back to this one because while we're doing the show he responded to Benny Johnson who tweeted about the guy saying wokeness hurt cost that money and he made the like What is it like a depressed sad face?

01:06:20.000 Yo I'm just gonna say this.

01:06:24.000 The guy insulted him for having Asperger's.

01:06:26.000 I think James O'Keefe may have just saved Elon Musk like 10 billion dollars.

01:06:31.000 I think so.

01:06:32.000 Maybe 20 billion dollars.

01:06:35.000 These videos coming out right now, I believe, I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like it could give Elon Musk an actual legal argument as to negotiating a lower price, or even having the contract be broken, no fee.

01:06:52.000 So if Elon breaks the Twitter buyout contract, he's gotta pay a billion dollars.

01:06:57.000 If Twitter breaks the contract, they gotta pay him a billion dollars.

01:07:00.000 With these videos coming out, Elon's clearly seen them both, He can probably go to a court and say, they did not disclose to me these things.

01:07:10.000 Elon's kind of made Twitter fun again.

01:07:11.000 Yeah, yes.

01:07:12.000 It's like almost like Trump.

01:07:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:16.000 Man, Twitter was so fun under Trump.

01:07:18.000 When people even, I mean, I was not a Trump supporter.

01:07:21.000 I was still pretty progressive.

01:07:24.000 But if you are really going to look me in the eye and say when the Democratic debate was going on and Trump just tweeted, Boring, and all that.

01:07:32.000 That wasn't the funniest thing in the world. 1.00

01:07:34.000 You're a liar. 1.00

01:07:36.000 Well, I mean, Covfefe. 1.00

01:07:36.000 You are a liar. 1.00

01:07:38.000 Yes. 1.00

01:07:39.000 It's got its own Wikipedia entry.

01:07:42.000 And it said, despite the negative press, Covfefe.

01:07:45.000 And I think they were right, despite the negative press coverage, but then mashed it with their thumb and accidentally sent it.

01:07:51.000 Or like put it in their pocket and it went off.

01:07:53.000 Wonderful.

01:07:53.000 Something happened and we got the word Covfefe.

01:07:55.000 Just delightful.

01:07:56.000 It was great.

01:07:57.000 Who was it?

01:07:58.000 Was it Michael Malice?

01:07:59.000 Or am I misremembering?

01:08:00.000 Who said something like, congratulations to all the former Trump reply guys who can be Elon Musk reply guys now?

01:08:06.000 That's very funny.

01:08:08.000 That sounds like a Malice thing, but I don't know.

01:08:10.000 I don't know, man.

01:08:11.000 I wonder if the Elon Musk deal will actually end up going through now.

01:08:14.000 Yeah, kind of crazy.

01:08:16.000 Who knows?

01:08:17.000 Maybe he put Project Veritas up to this so he could get out of it.

01:08:20.000 He's like, this is a mess.

01:08:21.000 I don't want any part of it.

01:08:22.000 I woke up and he was like, don't say it.

01:08:26.000 So then in the skit, James takes his mask off and it's Elon the whole time.

01:08:29.000 It's Elon, yep.

01:08:31.000 No, I think it's fascinating though.

01:08:33.000 I wonder if... I mean, clearly this email went out.

01:08:36.000 It looks like Veritas targeted Twitter employees recently.

01:08:40.000 You know, it was the end of April, beginning of May.

01:08:42.000 All this was going down.

01:08:44.000 So it seems like...

01:08:46.000 Elon Musk might save billions of dollars thanks to the journalism of Project Veritas.

01:08:51.000 Have you met O'Keefe?

01:08:52.000 Yeah, we've had him on shows several times.

01:08:53.000 What's his deal?

01:08:54.000 Chill dude? 0.94

01:08:55.000 Yeah, chill dude.

01:08:56.000 Fascinating.

01:08:57.000 Loves musicals.

01:08:58.000 Really?

01:08:59.000 Well, turns out I'll get along with him.

01:09:02.000 What was the musical he did?

01:09:03.000 Oklahoma.

01:09:03.000 Stop it.

01:09:05.000 He was like the main dude, wasn't he?

01:09:08.000 I think he was just doing an undercover operation.

01:09:10.000 That's what it was.

01:09:12.000 Anytime, that's the thing, anytime he does anything that he could consider embarrassing, he's like, it was an operation.

01:09:17.000 It was an operation.

01:09:18.000 He just bust in after I got so excited and so gaily was like, he did?

01:09:22.000 Oklahoma?

01:09:24.000 That's my favorite!

01:09:25.000 He's like, actually, a bunch of feminists were mad about me. 0.98

01:09:25.000 They're like, busted. 0.98

01:09:27.000 They spread that rumor.

01:09:28.000 It's not true.

01:09:28.000 I was never in Oklahoma.

01:09:31.000 No, James is great.

01:09:32.000 Yeah, he loves to sing and dance.

01:09:33.000 He loves Phil Collins.

01:09:34.000 He's fantastic.

01:09:35.000 All right, well, time to do some research on old James O'Keefe when I get home.

01:09:39.000 Literally, the skit would be literally everything he does is a sting.

01:09:42.000 So he's at like a supermarket and he's like looking shifty-eyed as he like grabs a box of Lucky Charms and like puts in his... Why Lucky Charms, huh?

01:09:49.000 You know why.

01:09:51.000 You all know why.

01:09:53.000 It's because you left a box of Lucky Charms in there.

01:09:55.000 I did leave, I'm not gonna lie, I did leave a box of Lucky Charms in there.

01:09:59.000 Yeah, it was sent by a fan.

01:10:00.000 It was sent by a fan.

01:10:02.000 It was sent by a fan, to be fair.

01:10:05.000 So, uh, I wasn't opposed to it.

01:10:07.000 Elon Musk is criticizing Joe Biden and I don't, I don't, I don't know what else to say other than he's, uh, I, I won.

01:10:14.000 Well, I was going to say something, um, back to what you were asking me with the cancellation and, I also do wonder if Elon with the I'm gonna vote Republican is either trolling, because you don't know who you're voting for, there are horrible Republicans, or there's also part where

01:10:33.000 I remember when I did start to go on the right wing shows and, you know, five people on Twitter were like, Oh, here we go.

01:10:39.000 Here comes grifter.

01:10:40.000 He's going to go all Dave Rubin and become super conservative or whatever.

01:10:44.000 And for me, I didn't because, I mean, I thought about it.

01:10:50.000 I was like, maybe I am conservative. 0.99

01:10:51.000 And then I did watch a Ben Shapiro video and I was like, ah, damn it. 0.95

01:10:57.000 But he did destroy you yeah, you're like I got destroyed is that for me Do I have what you were GOP curious? 0.99

01:11:06.000 I was Europe you like turn the lights real low you got under the covers you put on bench up here like that's literally I mean the first time I heard Jordan Peterson I thought he was just gonna be screaming to kill trans people and I was like, okay Okay, my heart was racing.

01:11:21.000 I was I'm gonna watch the Rogan and he was like make your bed And I was like, I should make my bed.

01:11:24.000 He's like, I don't like large women But I I also remember having this moment and maybe this sounds pathetic but whatever when I walked into some of those offices and having And this was, you know, I had girlfriends, but I hadn't really jumped back into a social circle. 0.92

01:11:45.000 I wasn't doing comedy.

01:11:46.000 I was kind of doing jujitsu.

01:11:48.000 But going into these offices and having everyone know me, hug me, not shame me.

01:11:55.000 Women, like hosts of the show, put their hands on my shoulder and be like, I'm sorry what happened to you, sweetie. 1.00

01:12:00.000 I'm like, sorry what happened to me, but I'm the bad person. 0.91

01:12:03.000 I'm the monster.

01:12:04.000 There is something about when a pile on happens and then the other side is just kind to you.

01:12:10.000 And sometimes with an agenda, but sometimes just because I know a lot

01:12:14.000 of really nice conservatives.

01:12:15.000 I mean, I've had conservatives put me up when I was homeless and we agree on nothing.

01:12:19.000 Whereas all of my Brooklyn woke friends didn't call.

01:12:24.000 Are you telling me they don't care about the homeless?

01:12:27.000 That's crazy.

01:12:29.000 Or are you telling me you need a place to stay?

01:12:30.000 You're trying to blackmail me here!

01:12:33.000 They care about the homeless because they have to move them to gentrify the black parts of town to get more Starbucks and maca cafes or whatever.

01:12:40.000 That's true.

01:12:41.000 Occupy Wall Street.

01:12:41.000 Yeah.

01:12:42.000 I was physically threatened numerous occasions.

01:12:44.000 I was physically attacked three different times, you know, during marches or at the park.

01:12:49.000 And then I see a bunch of, you know, Trump supporters, you know, people with shields, waving flags.

01:12:53.000 I walk over and they're like you want to grab a bite and talk.

01:12:55.000 And it's just like, look, man, I don't have to agree with with the conservatives,

01:13:00.000 but if they're willing to sit down and have a burger and say, well, I disagree.

01:13:02.000 Let's have a nice day. Right.

01:13:03.000 Well, the other side is like we brought crowbars. Right.

01:13:05.000 Well, I'll take it. I'll take a step further.

01:13:07.000 When I went on, it's called the Real Ass Podcast.

01:13:09.000 Louis J. Gomez, who from Legion of Skanks, his podcast again,

01:13:12.000 he has been called a proud boy.

01:13:14.000 There was a gay comic on and the gay comic was like asked him about his use of the F word.

01:13:20.000 The other F word.

01:13:21.000 And Lewis was like, look, I've said it forever. 0.64

01:13:24.000 I've never said it towards a gay person.

01:13:27.000 It's just the way I came up with comedy.

01:13:28.000 But I tell young comics, you know, don't say it.

01:13:30.000 I wouldn't say it.

01:13:31.000 And most importantly, and I know Lewis very well.

01:13:34.000 And this is I can vouch for this.

01:13:35.000 He's like, if I ever saw a gay person being called that, I would step in and I would do something about it to the guy

01:13:42.000 who's being homophobic. 0.69

01:13:43.000 Whereas any one of my old lefty friends, if they saw a gay person getting beat up, they would run away to the nearest

01:13:51.000 Starbucks to maybe tweet about it.

01:13:53.000 Yeah, they would write a blog post about it for sure.

01:13:55.000 I was in Portland.

01:13:56.000 Proud Boys were marching.

01:13:58.000 They planned March.

01:13:59.000 Antifa decided to counter march and confront them.

01:14:01.000 The police had to separate the two groups.

01:14:03.000 The Proud Boys started marching.

01:14:06.000 Proud Boys group was, you know, people of different races were there. I think it was mostly white people probably.

01:14:12.000 And we got to this point where all of a sudden Antifa started yelling racial slurs at the black Proud Boys.

01:14:17.000 Really?

01:14:18.000 Yeah. And there's videos of Antifa yelling racial slurs at police.

01:14:22.000 There's a black cop and they're yelling just racial slurs at him.

01:14:26.000 So they start yelling a racial slur at this black proud boy. 0.93

01:14:26.000 Yep. 0.93

01:14:29.000 And so he breaks from the crowd and starts going across the street.

01:14:33.000 And they're yelling slurs. I think they're yelling the n-word.

01:14:37.000 I think they're yelling, uh, uncle, you know, I don't want to say it, I don't want to entertain it.

01:14:41.000 But they were yelling like the n-word and other words, the c-word, whatever.

01:14:46.000 He goes across the street, another proud boy runs up to him and grabs him and says,

01:14:50.000 Don't listen to them.

01:14:51.000 And then he grabs him and says, don't let him, don't let him make you hate, man.

01:14:54.000 We're here together, man.

01:14:54.000 You're my brother.

01:14:55.000 We love you.

01:14:56.000 We care about you.

01:14:56.000 And then they put their hands together and it's like, let's get to it.

01:14:59.000 Let's, let's, let's stay focused.

01:15:00.000 And they, and they brought him back in.

01:15:02.000 There's a video.

01:15:03.000 It was an, uh, uh, an ice protest and Antifa's outside. 0.98

01:15:07.000 And they're just screaming the N word at these black cops. 0.98

01:15:10.000 Yikes. 0.99

01:15:11.000 Yo, man.

01:15:11.000 Bad looks.

01:15:13.000 Occupy Wall Street segregated people based on race.

01:15:16.000 You're in the caucus voting system where they would be like, okay, everyone got a working group or a caucus.

01:15:22.000 Your working group was the work you did.

01:15:23.000 The caucus was your race or gender or identity or whatever.

01:15:27.000 They had the Black Caucus, the Asian Caucus, Latino Caucus.

01:15:30.000 So you literally were voting on resources based on your racial group.

01:15:33.000 Well, and I remember even With Ferguson and some of the Black Lives Matter protests, there were also black people stopping other, I mean, a lot of times white BLM marchers from vandalizing or from, and it should show you that if you are on the right and think everyone who has marched for Black Lives Matter is evil, no, there are really good people who would do the exact same thing.

01:15:58.000 If you think that there are proud boys who are all violent, no, there are people who will do, The right thing.

01:16:03.000 And again, if those voices were the ones that would be highlighted more instead of the fringes, we would actually probably agree on more than we think we would.

01:16:13.000 We'll do a ridiculous segue and we'll talk about Dr. Peterson.

01:16:16.000 I have been so excited about this.

01:16:18.000 So I had to respond to Jordan Peterson.

01:16:22.000 The New York Post reports, sports illustrated swimsuit cover model critic Jordan Peterson quits Twitter after backlash.

01:16:29.000 Bye for now.

01:16:30.000 I told Lydia his away message should have just said no fatties. 1.00

01:16:33.000 Right.

01:16:34.000 So there's a New York Post posted this morbidly obese woman on the cover of Sports Illustrated and 1.00

01:16:42.000 Dr. Jordan Peterson said sorry not beautiful and no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that I

01:16:49.000 I thought it was really funny I thought it was sweet.

01:16:53.000 And I think him deciding, you know, Jordan, I think he's great.

01:16:57.000 I'm a big fan.

01:16:58.000 I think him deciding to get away from Twitter for a little bit is probably a good idea.

01:17:00.000 For sure.

01:17:01.000 Seamus, put it well, you said... Oh, just about picking your battles.

01:17:04.000 Choose your battles, man.

01:17:05.000 There's something in that.

01:17:06.000 I kind of feel like when you're swimming in the swamp for too long... Actually, there's a better way to put it.

01:17:13.000 Be careful when fighting monsters, lest you become one.

01:17:16.000 For when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back.

01:17:18.000 Peterson would know that.

01:17:19.000 And so, when I saw this, I kind of felt like... Are you calling fat people monsters?

01:17:22.000 Just to be clear.

01:17:23.000 Timothy.

01:17:23.000 That's terrible.

01:17:24.000 Jordan Peterson was staring at him.

01:17:26.000 If you came here, cancel him.

01:17:27.000 Monsters.

01:17:28.000 Where's the camera?

01:17:29.000 No, I kind of feel like... Here's the issue.

01:17:32.000 Let me show you these photographs.

01:17:35.000 Here's Cosmo we've mentioned before.

01:17:36.000 This is healthy.

01:17:37.000 It's a morbidly obese woman. 1.00

01:17:39.000 Here's another morbidly obese woman who says, this is healthy. 1.00

01:17:42.000 I think these are awful.

01:17:43.000 I think these are dangerous.

01:17:43.000 I think they're wrong.

01:17:45.000 I think you should not encourage people to be unhealthy.

01:17:48.000 Obesity can cause cancer.

01:17:49.000 There was a big row in the UK because there was an ad that was put up that said the number, I think it was like the number one cause or like number two cause of cancer or something.

01:17:57.000 And it was obesity.

01:17:59.000 You had to guess the letter and people were like, this is fat shaming.

01:18:02.000 So they also had the beach body ad of like beautiful men taking down our place of fat women. 0.62

01:18:06.000 I'm like, that I can understand when they're trying to encourage.

01:18:10.000 This is a cover of Sports Illustrated. 0.99

01:18:12.000 They put a fat chick on it. 1.00

01:18:13.000 My response was, yo, Dr. Peterson, some guys like fat chicks. 1.00

01:18:17.000 Like, let them have their day. 0.98

01:18:18.000 That was my favorite take, dude.

01:18:19.000 But also it's like the fact that the argument went from don't sexually objectify women to like, make sure you're more inclusive with your sexual objectification.

01:18:28.000 Exactly.

01:18:30.000 That's literally where the left went like no the larger women should be objectified as well my favorite 1.00

01:18:34.000 My favorite part of the day was after you tweeted that imagining all my old liberal friends being like oh no

01:18:42.000 Do I be mad at Tim pool or Jordan Peterson?

01:18:44.000 Pick a side just heads exploding everywhere. You know you know it's funny. It's how it works on Twitter as if

01:18:51.000 They they don't see the things I tweet unless someone screen grabs it and the only reason they'll screen grab it

01:18:57.000 is if they can Mock it sure so when there are tweets where I'm just like 0.96

01:19:00.000 yeah I let let you know some people like fat chicks like so 1.00

01:19:03.000 funny. Let them have their day You know I mean, I was just like I'm not look 0.73

01:19:07.000 Say encouraging it saying it's healthy partly They're partly encouraging it.

01:19:13.000 They're putting on the cover of magazines.

01:19:15.000 But I'm also just like, I'm not too concerned about them showing a morbidly obese woman on the cover of Sports Illustrated, but I do have questions.

01:19:24.000 And so, the one thing I would say is, if Jordan Peterson criticized it, Yeah.

01:19:30.000 It's a lot.

01:19:31.000 be total agreement and we were talking about it. What he said was authoritarian tolerance,

01:19:35.000 not beautiful. It was like taking a sledgehammer to a wood nail or something.

01:19:41.000 And then it was so easy because then everyone just started posting sad pictures of Jordan

01:19:45.000 Peterson. I was saying, I mean, he could have just maybe texted a slightly cuter member

01:19:51.000 of the intellectual dark web, just shot Sam Harris and be like, hey, can you post this?

01:19:55.000 Sam's got dreamy eyes. I don't know. I mean, I agree with you on the health thing. I don't

01:20:01.000 know. When I taught you jiu jitsu, I've I've had a lot of people come to me because they

01:20:07.000 were overweight and they were really sad about it and they were embarrassed about it. And

01:20:11.000 I haven't talked about this publicly recently.

01:20:15.000 I wrote about it like a decade ago, but I've struggled with binge eating.

01:20:18.000 I mean, you would call it an eating disorder.

01:20:19.000 If it was a woman, you would say, I have an eating disorder.

01:20:22.000 Food issues are hard, man, and at the times I've been overweight, I've hated myself, and I still have body dysmorphia even though I train every day.

01:20:31.000 And, but what you're saying about health is so important.

01:20:35.000 Number one, if you just, quote unquote, if you actually fat shame people, not what the left say is fat shaming.

01:20:41.000 If you actually fat shame people, that's not going to help them.

01:20:43.000 If I see someone down the street, I'm like, Hey fatty or whatever.

01:20:43.000 Right?

01:20:45.000 They're not going to be like, Oh, I better get to a jujitsu class.

01:20:48.000 They're going to hate themselves more.

01:20:50.000 And by the way, same with me.

01:20:51.000 But Seamus would laugh and then high five you.

01:20:52.000 And that would feel really good.

01:20:54.000 Why are you making this about me?

01:20:57.000 You'd be like, yeah!

01:20:58.000 What are you talking about?

01:21:00.000 What have I ever indicated?

01:21:01.000 That would be my response to someone heckling a stranger.

01:21:06.000 The craziest fat-shaming story I have when I had the old progressive podcast, and I told

01:21:10.000 this on a Rogan I think, but it still horrifies me, is there was a dude who wrote in and he

01:21:15.000 said his doctor said, yeah, same deal, morbidly obese, essentially said he's going to die.

01:21:21.000 And he had kids and was like, I don't know what to do.

01:21:24.000 So I wrote him an email, I sent him a bunch of healthy recipes, I found him a jujitsu

01:21:29.000 place.

01:21:30.000 I actually emailed Tim Spriggs, who ran the jujitsu school, he was like, oh, I remember

01:21:34.000 that guy.

01:21:35.000 Six months later, eight months later, whatever it is, he writes into the show and he goes,

01:21:40.000 hey, dude, my doctor just said he's never seen such a quick turnaround before.

01:21:44.000 My kids are so proud of me and I'm entering my first white belt jujitsu competition.

01:21:49.000 Now Lydia, you're reacting like a normal human being.

01:21:53.000 Right.

01:21:54.000 We got six to ten emails the next day saying by reading that email we were fat shaming them.

01:22:02.000 And that's when I go and I was still in my most progressive most woke.

01:22:05.000 I was like you would rather this dude die and orphan his kids than temporarily feel bad about yourself and maybe let that inspire you. 0.69

01:22:16.000 I'm not saying if you don't do jujitsu you're a Fatty.

01:22:19.000 I'm not saying it's a totalitarian or whatever.

01:22:22.000 Authoritarian.

01:22:23.000 Don't do jiu-jitsu! 0.99

01:22:25.000 Seamus, you're fatty unless you do jiu-jitsu. 0.97

01:22:25.000 Not beautiful! 0.97

01:22:28.000 But can I ask you something? 0.99

01:22:29.000 Would it be helpful if you had a personal trainer who was like, you are going to be an authoritarian fatty.

01:22:35.000 You need to lose the weight.

01:22:36.000 Make this app.

01:22:37.000 Make the Jordan Peterson weight loss app.

01:22:41.000 That's another sketch.

01:22:43.000 I said clean your room, not your plate. 0.75

01:22:44.000 Oh my gosh, I love that.

01:22:45.000 That's so good.

01:22:47.000 Just a bunch of lobsters going, shame, shame, shame, shame. 0.99

01:22:51.000 Can I just say before we move on, this was my red pill when I was 11 years old.

01:22:51.000 I love it.

01:22:56.000 I looked at the healthy at every size move and I was like, these ladies are not healthy. 1.00

01:23:00.000 And I want to say there are two things here.

01:23:02.000 One is subjective.

01:23:03.000 That is beauty.

01:23:04.000 You and everyone else is welcome to think that this lady is beautiful.

01:23:08.000 She's very pretty.

01:23:08.000 A hundred percent.

01:23:09.000 She's solid lady.

01:23:10.000 Chunky queen. 1.00

01:23:11.000 She is a chunky queen. 1.00

01:23:12.000 She is thick with three C's and I, there's no problem with that.

01:23:15.000 I appreciate it.

01:23:16.000 However, the other is the objective.

01:23:18.000 And this is what I was seeing when I was 11.

01:23:19.000 I was like, dude, these ladies are not healthy. 1.00

01:23:22.000 This is not good.

01:23:23.000 This lady is not athletic. 1.00

01:23:24.000 I'm not sure why she's on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

01:23:27.000 I don't think she plays a sport other than, I don't know.

01:23:29.000 Hot dog eating contest.

01:23:30.000 Yes, thank you, Joey.

01:23:32.000 I tried to do a straight face.

01:23:34.000 The eye contact you two made before that line came out was beautiful.

01:23:40.000 But anyway, it's like she's not healthy and I know this isn't gonna be good for her down the line.

01:23:43.000 Now Tess Holliday really troubles me because she's literally like four... Tim is just cracking up over here.

01:23:48.000 I'm just imagining Sports Illustrated doing like the 12th annual hot tub eating contest.

01:23:53.000 I see it.

01:23:54.000 No, don't predict the future.

01:23:55.000 Stop this.

01:23:56.000 Stop this.

01:23:56.000 It's not okay.

01:23:57.000 Tess Holliday is like 400 pounds. 1.00

01:23:58.000 She's like, I'm so proud of myself.

01:24:00.000 I'm so healthy.

01:24:00.000 I'm like, B word.

01:24:02.000 No, you're not.

01:24:03.000 You absolutely aren't.

01:24:04.000 Like I don't want anyone to hate themselves, right?

01:24:08.000 Like I don't, it's sad.

01:24:10.000 It's sad to think of someone hating themself because they're fat.

01:24:12.000 And there are a lot of people I'm sure even listening to this show who

01:24:15.000 spiral about that, but it's, but it's, it's worse to hate yourself

01:24:21.000 so much that you end up in denial.

01:24:23.000 And you're, it's the same as when you tell your friends, Hey, I'm

01:24:26.000 Cause you have a drinking problem and your other friends are drinking problems. 1.00

01:24:28.000 You're like, well, is your problem that you're a little bitch? 1.00

01:24:31.000 And they're trying to get you to keep drinking. 1.00

01:24:33.000 It's like, bro, if I'm an alcoholic and you are pushing me to do it so you can feel better about, you know, drinking on the weekends.

01:24:38.000 Cause you don't want to see your wife and little spite kids. 0.98

01:24:40.000 Then it's like, that's on you.

01:24:42.000 Like that's messed up.

01:24:44.000 I'm legit thinking that the future of sports illustrated is going to be a whole bunch of really messed up stuff.

01:24:50.000 Angrily tweeting?

01:24:54.000 What's that morbidly obese woman's clothing store? 1.00

01:24:57.000 Torrid. 0.60

01:24:59.000 They have mannequins that are morbidly obese. 0.74

01:25:02.000 Do they just tie five other mannequins together?

01:25:07.000 I don't know if we can get trouble on YouTube for saying that.

01:25:11.000 Mannequin shaming?

01:25:12.000 There's a conspiracy theory.

01:25:14.000 You know the Dove Real Beauty campaign?

01:25:16.000 Yeah.

01:25:18.000 Do you know who owns Dove?

01:25:20.000 What's the parent company of Dove?

01:25:21.000 No.

01:25:22.000 It's Unilever.

01:25:23.000 Oh no.

01:25:25.000 Unilever owns another brand.

01:25:27.000 Oh no.

01:25:27.000 Ben & Jerry's.

01:25:28.000 Oh boy.

01:25:29.000 So there was a conspiracy theory that they were, you know, at a higher level were looking at like, we want women to eat more ice cream.

01:25:37.000 I was wondering why the woman in the shower using Dove was eating Cherry Garcia. 1.00

01:25:41.000 So, I'm pretty sure... There's like a meme about it.

01:25:44.000 But I mean, it makes sense.

01:25:45.000 If you're in a business, and you're like, we want to sell soap to women, and we also want to sell ice cream, but all these super thin models are making people not want to buy ice cream, put the fat women in the soap commercial, and the women will be like, that's like me, and they'll eat ice cream. 0.94

01:25:58.000 And then Sports Illustrated will have ice cream eating contests in their magazine.

01:26:01.000 What I mean is, if the average woman is obese, then Sports Illustrated is going to start putting more and more obese women on the cover. 1.00

01:26:09.000 So with the body positivity thing, I want to sort of piggyback on something Lydia said.

01:26:14.000 I actually, I don't agree with the idea that beauty is subjective.

01:26:16.000 I do believe it's objective.

01:26:18.000 There are some elements of our like experience of it, which is subjective.

01:26:22.000 Stop hitting on me.

01:26:23.000 I know.

01:26:23.000 But my problem is that, you know, what the body positivity could have been a fact

01:26:30.000 movement could have been effective at is saying something like, look,

01:26:32.000 not everyone is physically beautiful in the same way, but just because someone isn't beautiful, doesn't give you

01:26:40.000 the right to treat them poorly.

01:26:41.000 because a person's value is...

01:26:44.000 Is not limited to their physical appearance and someone shouldn't be treated poorly because they don't look good And so instead they decided to say actually Everyone looks good wait when what did that do that solidified this idea that actually?

01:26:57.000 Appearance is what gives you your value because we if we tell you you don't look good Then we are telling you you're worthless because that's what we believe so we just have to instead of Challenging our understanding of what beauty means we have to say no no everyone's beautiful that way we can say everyone means something instead Instead of acknowledging that, beauty is not the only measure of a person's value.

01:27:16.000 A quick fact check.

01:27:17.000 Quick fact check.

01:27:18.000 We have here the Dove Real Beauty Campaign, which was average to obese women, and I think they even had some amputees. 0.97

01:27:27.000 Ben and Jerry's.

01:27:28.000 Parent.

01:27:29.000 Unilever.

01:27:31.000 Dove.

01:27:32.000 Owner.

01:27:33.000 Unilever.

01:27:34.000 Conspiracy confirmed!

01:27:35.000 Oh boy, it's happening.

01:27:36.000 What I was going to say...

01:27:38.000 I love what you just said.

01:27:39.000 And also the times, even when I've been struggling, whether it's with depression, suicidal ideation, binge eating, whatever it is, the times where someone actually made me feel good about myself is when I would lock in and want to double down.

01:27:57.000 Yes.

01:27:57.000 The times where I would just go, you know what?

01:28:00.000 I'm a fat piece of garbage. 1.00

01:28:01.000 Well then what does a fat piece of garbage do? 1.00

01:28:03.000 He certainly doesn't train the next day. 1.00

01:28:05.000 He feels bad.

01:28:06.000 He's got to fill the sad hole in his heart.

01:28:08.000 So he starts eating more food or you just go, well, this is what

01:28:11.000 everyone thinks I am anyway.

01:28:12.000 Right?

01:28:12.000 So sports illustrated, you actually have this opportunity to do

01:28:15.000 something like what you said, but then also write an article about, Hey,

01:28:20.000 you don't think you're an athlete.

01:28:21.000 Have you tried these kind of sports?

01:28:22.000 Have you tried skateboarding?

01:28:23.000 Have you tried Jiu Jitsu?

01:28:24.000 Have you tried something?

01:28:25.000 I failed gym class, literally failed gym class in high school.

01:28:28.000 I'll tell you how you get stoned every day and pretend you don't have your shorts.

01:28:32.000 And then I found Jiu Jitsu at 17 and I was like, I always wanted to learn how to fight because I grew up watching cheesy martial arts movies and I fell in love with Jiu Jitsu and accidentally became an athlete because I found something I loved.

01:28:42.000 You can help people.

01:28:44.000 You said you felt so much better.

01:28:45.000 So did you give up sugar?

01:28:47.000 Cut out bread and sugar.

01:28:55.000 A heaping spoonful of almond flour.

01:28:57.000 A heaping spoonful of walnut flour.

01:28:59.000 One egg.

01:29:00.000 Mix it up.

01:29:01.000 Microwave for one minute.

01:29:02.000 Boom, you got a keto biscuit.

01:29:04.000 Then I cut it and I put cheese, egg, and bacon on it.

01:29:07.000 And that's breakfast.

01:29:08.000 Oh my God.

01:29:08.000 That actually sounds really good.

01:29:09.000 Yeah.

01:29:10.000 You know, I think the issue is when you're younger, you need a bit more food, especially if you're athletic.

01:29:15.000 For me, one of the issues was I used to eat like 8,000 calories per day because I would skate for eight hours a day.

01:29:20.000 And so it was just a machine.

01:29:22.000 When I got older and started skating less and doing news and stuff more, I still had the habits of eating big meals.

01:29:29.000 And then, you know, I gained weight from it.

01:29:31.000 Right.

01:29:31.000 Right, right, right.

01:29:32.000 So now I'm like, I still skate a lot.

01:29:34.000 But it's remarkable that in the past, yo, bro, it's remarkable how little I eat relative to what I was eating last year.

01:29:42.000 Yeah.

01:29:43.000 It's crazy.

01:29:43.000 And you probably feel great.

01:29:46.000 That's the thing.

01:29:46.000 When I'm eating unhealthy, sure, I could say, you know, I love my beer good.

01:29:52.000 I love my whatever.

01:29:53.000 But I don't feel well and I get depressed and I sleep later, which means I don't go to the gym.

01:29:59.000 And the times where I'm training and the times where I'm eating healthy, I feel good and you want people to feel good and again it's you don't have to say not beautiful but man you can also encourage people to be healthy because you want them to feel good you don't want them to be depressed the times I'm eating like crap the times I'm overweight it absolutely ties into my depression it's horrible

01:30:25.000 Yeah, well, and no one really openly says this, right?

01:30:29.000 They'll just apply this principle to different categories all the time and hope you don't notice, but there's this weird pervasive idea that like everyone is equal in every single way, so no one's smarter than anyone else, no one's more beautiful than anyone else, no one's stronger than anyone else, and it's just not true.

01:30:44.000 It's just not true.

01:30:45.000 Now, again, what we should be promoting, and this is certainly what I believe, is that, you know, humans are made in the image and likeness of God.

01:30:50.000 Every single person has unfathomable value.

01:30:54.000 But instead, because we have limited people's value to what they bring to us instead of what they are solely, I'm not caught up in the news.

01:31:04.000 as full persons in order to compensate for that we have to say okay well yeah people

01:31:08.000 really are just their physical makeup and they don't have any intrinsic value besides

01:31:14.000 these specific things we decide to assign value to but they're all equal in those categories

01:31:18.000 so it's fine.

01:31:19.000 I'm not caught up in the news who's this Godfella? 1.00

01:31:20.000 Well, let's get into the conversation.

01:31:22.000 Sorry, that was my old godless left hand.

01:31:25.000 So for those in the chat that are getting triggered by my eating 8,000 calories comment,

01:31:28.000 I'm clear, I was being, I was exaggerating.

01:31:30.000 A little hyperbolic.

01:31:31.000 Yeah, I was saying like I'm eating an exorbitant amount.

01:31:34.000 How are you not dead eating eight pizzas?

01:31:36.000 But no if but I will tell you it's like not every day but days before and sometimes after it would be excess of 3,000 calories and like Yo, if I train twice a day, I'm murdering.

01:31:50.000 So breakfast with like, um, meat, potatoes, uh, eggs, toast.

01:31:56.000 You're looking at like, you know, 800 with a glass of orange juice or a thousand.

01:32:00.000 Then you, then you've got lunch, which was a couple of sandwiches and look at another six, 700 for dinner.

01:32:06.000 You get Panda Express, double orange chicken with a big thing of rice.

01:32:09.000 It's like three to 5,000, depending on what you're eating.

01:32:11.000 Some days we'd get like, we get Panda Express three times.

01:32:15.000 Seriously, skating for eight hours a day, drenched in sweat?

01:32:18.000 Like, I'm not kidding, man. 0.97

01:32:20.000 No, a lot of my pro-athlete friends can eat garbage. 0.73

01:32:23.000 Like, there's a jiu-jitsu fighter who is famous for trying to get a Panda Express sponsorship.

01:32:28.000 There's another one who only eats In-N-Out and Five Guys and stuff, and they look great and ripped and shredded, but I'm sure the inside of their body is dying.

01:32:36.000 Which, by the way, It's, you could put that dude on the cover of Sports Illustrated and he'd look great.

01:32:41.000 There's like the whole skinny fat thing. 0.50

01:32:43.000 But again, he will be dead at 40.

01:32:44.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 And that's why it was a red pill for me.

01:32:46.000 I was like, they clearly don't care about women because they, it looks to me like they actually want them to die young.

01:32:51.000 You can't tell me that you want these women to see their grandchildren. 1.00

01:32:54.000 It looks like you don't even want them to live past 40.

01:32:56.000 I gotta say, I think it was Bill Maher who said this, but you don't see fat 90-year-olds.

01:33:00.000 And it's not to be mean, but it's true.

01:33:02.000 It's very sad.

01:33:04.000 It's very sad, but it's true. 0.86

01:33:05.000 You don't.

01:33:06.000 It's like, well, if you care about people and you want to help them live longer lives, you should try to encourage them.

01:33:11.000 And like you pointed out, in a healthy way. 0.99

01:33:13.000 Don't be a jerk about it. 0.99

01:33:14.000 Don't shame them. 0.99

01:33:15.000 But you should still try to encourage them to get healthy.

01:33:19.000 Yeah, no, one of my friends just hit me up today about starting jiu-jitsu and he's a big dude.

01:33:24.000 And I wasn't just like, oh, thank God, fatty, what is your wife not doing you anymore? 0.85

01:33:29.000 I just literally, without saying it, you know, I left him a voice memo on Instagram.

01:33:33.000 I was like, hey, you're coming in with me.

01:33:34.000 I'll take you into class.

01:33:35.000 I'll make sure you don't have to pay.

01:33:36.000 Let me make you feel comfortable, blah, blah, blah.

01:33:38.000 And I just told him, I told him I wasn't athletic and jiu-jitsu's what made, all the stuff I said to you guys.

01:33:43.000 And it's like, I'm so hyped to help this dude.

01:33:46.000 And you know, a lot of people who are overweight, they just kind of silently suffer and they hate themselves and they feel and again, I've been there on a million different levels.

01:33:56.000 And I don't think this stuff is helping them.

01:33:59.000 Again, I think the Sports Illustrated thing is harmless, but I think all that stuff that said like healthy is just like liable.

01:34:05.000 Yeah.

01:34:06.000 I think there's some harm in the Sports Illustrated thing.

01:34:08.000 I just think, you know, Dr. Peterson went a little too far.

01:34:12.000 Yeah, I don't understand that.

01:34:13.000 Hold back a little bit.

01:34:14.000 You know, like, I would put LOL and be like, no thank you or something.

01:34:17.000 Yeah.

01:34:19.000 LOL, no thank you.

01:34:20.000 Even that, though, would be kind of a wild tweet to see from Jordan Peterson.

01:34:24.000 LOL, no thank you.

01:34:26.000 That would have been incredible, dude.

01:34:27.000 That would have been incredible.

01:34:29.000 Jordan, he tweeted that he's, like, had his staff change his password, he's getting away from temptation, getting off Twitter because it's toxic, and the barrage of insults.

01:34:36.000 And I'm just, I just, I'm confused by that.

01:34:41.000 I get it.

01:34:42.000 For some people, having just millions of people tweeting hateful things at you, you know, some people can't handle that.

01:34:48.000 He's very sensitive.

01:34:49.000 Tim loves it.

01:34:49.000 Are you kidding?

01:34:51.000 Like, I'm trending right now.

01:34:53.000 I've been trending for like four days straight.

01:34:54.000 And you know what I do?

01:34:55.000 I post the Elmo fire emoji.

01:34:56.000 You're like, say my name!

01:34:58.000 This is, this is what I need to learn from you.

01:35:02.000 I almost asked you this when we were hanging out earlier, but I wanted to save it for the show.

01:35:05.000 Yeah.

01:35:05.000 Because so I had John Cleese on my podcast and like a month or two ago, and if you guys are from Monty Python, blah, blah, blah.

01:35:13.000 And he's been canceled a bunch this year.

01:35:16.000 And he told me he doesn't know why.

01:35:18.000 And he's like, I don't look.

01:35:19.000 Someone says, Hey, you're trending on Twitter.

01:35:20.000 And he goes, all right, I don't care.

01:35:22.000 And then he goes and he lives with his, you know, Monty Python money and lives a happy life, right?

01:35:27.000 What I think one of my problems was that I couldn't take it mentally.

01:35:31.000 Like I was suicidal.

01:35:33.000 I did disappear and stuff like that.

01:35:34.000 And so now that I'm sort of just diving into comedy and in comedy, you don't really care as much

01:35:41.000 and you can make things jokes and that's all that matters.

01:35:44.000 Because my problem too was, I was just niche famous enough to get canceled,

01:35:49.000 but like not famous enough to have a savings account or like a pool.

01:35:53.000 And so, you know, I see like John Cleese and I go, well, yeah, you don't have to look at Twitter,

01:35:56.000 but I gotta get booked at the Chuckle Hut in Kansas City and have a, you know, creepy anonymous Twitter account,

01:36:02.000 like DMing their GM.

01:36:04.000 And so, but I also think that part of the reason you blew up

01:36:08.000 was that not caring and by you not caring, you were establishing your loyal fans, which I didn't do.

01:36:14.000 I just, like, peaced out because I thought I was gonna die.

01:36:16.000 So, I come from the internet era of you, like, trolling.

01:36:21.000 Like, you go on forums and you post things to get attention.

01:36:24.000 Right. 0.56

01:36:24.000 Those were the people that all called me cucks. 0.56

01:36:26.000 I'll see, like, you know, Vosh trends a whole lot as well.

01:36:30.000 Really?

01:36:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:31.000 And so, like, I'll see, you know, he'll be tweeting, like, a thousand, four hundred, and I'll be like, those are rookie numbers!

01:36:35.000 You gotta get those numbers up, Vosh! 1.00

01:36:37.000 But he had a funny tweet, too.

01:36:38.000 He said... I forgot what he said, but he said, I have... I'm gonna paraphrase, but something like, I have stared into the eyes of the beast and nothing scares me more than this monster.

01:36:47.000 And it was a screen grab of Vosh trending. 0.87

01:36:49.000 That was a good one.

01:36:51.000 You know, look, criticize the guy and all that stuff.

01:36:53.000 I thought that was a funny tweet.

01:36:54.000 That's very funny.

01:36:54.000 But, uh, when I, yeah, when I see like Tim pool trending and I'm like, why is it so low?

01:36:59.000 Like it's, it's like, it was like 3,900 just a little bit ago.

01:37:02.000 So what about when you were, if you hate me, get those numbers up, baby.

01:37:05.000 What about when you were like coming up dealing with the hate or when you didn't have as strong a network?

01:37:11.000 I mean, the truth is, I literally just never cared.

01:37:14.000 I care so much, guys.

01:37:17.000 No, but look, when we started doing this show, we were getting like, I don't know, shy of a thousand concurrence or something.

01:37:23.000 I didn't care.

01:37:24.000 I wanted to do the show because I was bored.

01:37:26.000 I wanted to do it.

01:37:27.000 And then people say nasty things about you, and they criticize you, and you're just like, I don't know.

01:37:34.000 I grew up on the internet.

01:37:35.000 People say nasty things all the time.

01:37:36.000 You also always had, because I realize one of the reasons that I'm so confident right now is because of the, I have a solid community for the first time in my life.

01:37:44.000 In Texas, in Jiu Jitsu, in comedy, where I have, my favorite comics are my friends.

01:37:50.000 Even just doing this with you guys.

01:37:51.000 I'm like, okay cool.

01:37:52.000 I have like new friends now.

01:37:54.000 Um, my jujitsu community, if people say untrue things about me in jujitsu, unlike my old friends who were like, well, I can't tweet about Jamie.

01:38:01.000 I don't want to lose my free internship at the nation.

01:38:04.000 It's like these jujitsu guys, they don't care at all.

01:38:06.000 They're like, yo, we will go to war for you.

01:38:08.000 Do you need us to go to war for you?

01:38:10.000 Do you need my lawyer?

01:38:11.000 I will give you my lawyer, like literally doing things like that.

01:38:14.000 And so that's what I was going to say is I wonder if even when you didn't have huge fans, you had your crew and whereas I didn't have anybody.

01:38:22.000 No, I have no crew.

01:38:24.000 I mean, like, I show up at Occupy by myself, and for the most part, you know, half the people got beef with me, half don't, and I'm just like, I'm doing my thing.

01:38:31.000 And you just don't care.

01:38:32.000 Yeah, I don't care.

01:38:32.000 I never cared.

01:38:33.000 I mean, I care about, like, I care about freedom, personal responsibility.

01:38:39.000 I care about truth.

01:38:40.000 I care about... OK, so what about when people say stuff that isn't true?

01:38:43.000 Because that'll happen to me sometimes where I'll post something and someone just writes, you were accused of sexual assault.

01:38:49.000 And I want to just go, no, I wasn't because I wasn't.

01:38:52.000 But I also don't want to address it.

01:38:53.000 And that horrifies me.

01:38:55.000 I agree.

01:38:55.000 I mean, it's annoying.

01:38:57.000 But then there's also like, Someone with a hundred followers will say something that's not true, and I'm like, okay I could respond to them and try and convince one person or I can do my show and convince a million.

01:39:07.000 Right.

01:39:08.000 So I'm just gonna keep doing my thing.

01:39:09.000 Just getting bigger, getting bigger.

01:39:10.000 We got to go to Super Chats!

01:39:11.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com.

01:39:16.000 We're gonna have a members-only segment, probably talking about the apocalypse and $10 gas.

01:39:20.000 So again, TimCast.com.

01:39:21.000 That'll be up around 11.

01:39:22.000 Let's read!

01:39:25.000 All right, let's see.

01:39:25.000 Woot, do for you said fact check.

01:39:27.000 The Twitter engineer said he worked four hours last quarter, not per week.

01:39:31.000 Holy moly.

01:39:32.000 Oh, wow.

01:39:32.000 So it's even worse.

01:39:33.000 That's horrible.

01:39:34.000 All right.

01:39:35.000 We were doing that dude a solid.

01:39:37.000 We were trying to cover for him.

01:39:40.000 Four hours a week, that's a lot.

01:39:43.000 This is a shame train.

01:39:44.000 Tim and crew, how long do you predict until the U.S.

01:39:46.000 completely fractures and things get truly violent keep being you?

01:39:51.000 Some people were chatting that Vosch was saying the leftists need to get armed or something, but I don't know if that's true, because I didn't see it.

01:39:55.000 I just saw it in the chat.

01:39:56.000 Also, none of us know how to shoot guns, so it's fine.

01:39:59.000 We're all just going to accidentally, like, friendly fire each other.

01:40:01.000 You?

01:40:02.000 I actually started training with Tim Kennedy and the Sheepdog Guys in Austin.

01:40:07.000 That's what switched my gun views.

01:40:09.000 So jealous.

01:40:10.000 But who is we in that one?

01:40:11.000 Oh, me?

01:40:12.000 Oh, him?

01:40:12.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:40:12.000 I don't know what place he's in.

01:40:13.000 No, you're like, we don't know how to shoot guns.

01:40:20.000 I got really great basic pointers and we've been to the range quite a bit and we have property where we can shoot tons of guns now.

01:40:29.000 Far from an expert or anybody deeply involved in any kind of gun culture.

01:40:32.000 But I've been to the range and it's pretty good.

01:40:36.000 I will say I find long guns to be relatively easy with simple training practice.

01:40:43.000 I only shot a pistol.

01:40:45.000 Handguns, I'm not that good.

01:40:48.000 You have to train though.

01:40:50.000 That was the first reason I wanted to train and I hit up Tim.

01:40:52.000 One, I wanted to be, hey I was a really anti-gun guy.

01:40:56.000 And I think it would be cool to learn from you and also talk to those guys about what they think reasonable gun control is or what you should do for mass shootings or whatever.

01:41:04.000 And I had some of the most open-minded conversations I've ever had which have definitely switched my views on guns.

01:41:11.000 But I remember Tim came to me after the seminar and he was like, hey, I want to get more women, people of color, I don't want to just be like white militia Tim Kennedy fanboys and I was literally like you are doing more for people than any of my old liberal friends.

01:41:31.000 I posted a picture of a gun on a trans flag, and then I said... You can't tell me that with a straight face. 1.00

01:41:40.000 Yeah, I said, trans gun rights are human rights.

01:41:42.000 I love it. 0.92

01:41:43.000 And I said, I think black trans women should have 50 BMGs mounted on their rooftops, if they so desire, and they should be able to carry AR-15s to protect themselves from white supremacist bigots who would do them harm.

01:41:55.000 And the trans people filed takedowns against me and got it removed from Twitter. 0.97

01:41:59.000 That's insane. 0.51

01:42:01.000 So boring.

01:42:01.000 I should say the left it I don't know exactly who did it, but it wasn't my photo

01:42:04.000 That's why so they filed a claim against me and then Twitter deleted it and I was like they don't want me

01:42:08.000 agreeing with them Okay, they were like it's they kept saying it was a joke

01:42:13.000 and then I was like what what's a joke about me?

01:42:15.000 So there was someone who was like just cuz it's hilariously worded does not mean I thought it was legitimately

01:42:21.000 You know, so I Somebody somebody commented like you talk big game about

01:42:27.000 guns But the moment black people get guns where are you then and 1.00

01:42:30.000 then I said, I think the Black Panthers should be armed to the 1.00

01:42:32.000 Effing teeth. Yeah, also they just like they just make things up. They create imaginary 0.98

01:42:36.000 Scenarios in their their head. They're like, what would you say that killer Mike was the thing that's consistent with

01:42:41.000 my principles?

01:42:42.000 I don't just hate whatever group you've assumed. I've hated dismiss me, right?

01:42:46.000 Yeah, killer Mike from run the jewels was the first person that made me think about my my stance on guns

01:42:51.000 Yeah, he's great. All right, let's read some more. We got booth good name

01:42:55.000 He says can't wait for the Republicans to regain control so they could continue to do absolutely nothing

01:43:00.000 Yeah, well go and vote in your primaries and make sure the people who are winning are people who will do things

01:43:05.000 I saw Rand Paul won his primary. Yes Yeah, of course

01:43:10.000 Mary Diaz says, I promised I wouldn't sign up for another subscription, but Seamus is amazing, so I've got to.

01:43:15.000 Also, Tim, do you need someone for HR?

01:43:17.000 I'm working on my certifications, but I am young and a hard worker.

01:43:20.000 Love the show.

01:43:21.000 Um, we may be getting to that point because we're relatively small, but we're growing.

01:43:26.000 Yeah.

01:43:27.000 Maybe, um, I don't know.

01:43:29.000 HR would not let you say we're small and growing, by the way.

01:43:31.000 Yeah, that's a little, uh, yeah.

01:43:34.000 We're actually, we're a show, we're not a group.

01:43:37.000 It looks like we're a big company.

01:43:41.000 Good stuff.

01:43:42.000 Great work, everyone.

01:43:42.000 By the way, thank you so much for the compliment, Mary.

01:43:44.000 That was very kind.

01:43:45.000 Ian Kinney said, Tim, all your button ups dirty?

01:43:49.000 Did you see John Rich's retweet that Elon replied to?

01:43:51.000 He did.

01:43:51.000 I didn't see that.

01:43:52.000 Which one was that?

01:43:54.000 I don't know.

01:43:55.000 No, I just wore a teal shirt today.

01:43:58.000 Tim, we were both getting lit up about our shirts in the chat.

01:44:00.000 Oh, really?

01:44:01.000 People were like, look, the shameless blends in.

01:44:03.000 I got my camouflage today, man.

01:44:04.000 I was hoping I could hide.

01:44:05.000 So I was skating and I fell and I whacked my arm really bad.

01:44:08.000 And so now I just sat down and I was like, I'm exhausted.

01:44:12.000 And then, you know, normally I'll go and I'll get ready for the show.

01:44:16.000 This time I'm just like greasy, sweaty, and stinky.

01:44:17.000 I just didn't care. 0.70

01:44:20.000 Oh, so whatever.

01:44:21.000 You're like, the guest is a cancelled comedian.

01:44:23.000 We're fine.

01:44:24.000 Yeah, like, offend this guy!

01:44:26.000 Is that James O'Keefe?

01:44:28.000 I'd be wearing a suit.

01:44:29.000 No, honestly, it might be James O'Keefe.

01:44:31.000 Where's the camera?

01:44:33.000 Sounds like James.

01:44:35.000 Sounds like something James would say, is that I'm not James O'Keefe.

01:44:39.000 All right, let's grab some more superchats.

01:44:41.000 People mentioning the new Veritas posts.

01:44:45.000 Paul Jones says, MB was super cringe.

01:44:47.000 Guy is banality of evil incarnate.

01:44:49.000 Couldn't hold a consistent position. 0.96

01:44:51.000 Intellectually bankrupt.

01:44:52.000 It was indeed like speaking to a brick wall.

01:44:54.000 You and Seamus had did good.

01:44:56.000 Had did.

01:44:57.000 I thought Matt was a cool guy.

01:45:00.000 He was a nice guy.

01:45:00.000 We hung out before and after the show.

01:45:03.000 When it got into politics, I felt confused because I didn't understand what his principles were.

01:45:09.000 I understood his platitudes, like when he said, conservatives think trans people don't exist.

01:45:13.000 But when I asked him, what does that mean?

01:45:15.000 What idea are you trying to convey?

01:45:16.000 He couldn't say anything.

01:45:17.000 It just didn't mean anything.

01:45:20.000 I still have no idea what they mean when they say conservatives think trans people don't exist.

01:45:25.000 Like, Ben Shapiro walks into Blair White and then he goes, where did she go?

01:45:28.000 She's gone.

01:45:30.000 Yeah, I just don't understand what they're trying to say.

01:45:32.000 And they don't clarify either.

01:45:34.000 I would like to say I think trans people exist.

01:45:36.000 I think they do too.

01:45:37.000 They've been misled.

01:45:42.000 Are they trying to say something like you don't respect them?

01:45:44.000 You don't believe?

01:45:45.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:45:46.000 Don't say that.

01:45:47.000 Right, exactly.

01:45:47.000 It's not true.

01:45:48.000 But when I say, what idea are you trying to convey?

01:45:50.000 And they say, well, I'm like, well, if you can't explain it.

01:45:54.000 All right.

01:45:55.000 Bobcat says, if she's a 10 and you're a 2, she's James O'Keefe.

01:46:01.000 That is what everybody in Twitter needs to walk around with.

01:46:04.000 That's what the Tweeb memo should be.

01:46:07.000 It should have said, guys, you're not that attractive.

01:46:10.000 She's not that into you, she's James O'Keefe.

01:46:12.000 They're like, we specifically hire people who don't look good enough to believe they could be getting a date with someone that attractive.

01:46:18.000 You're not hot.

01:46:19.000 Stop spilling company intel.

01:46:20.000 But I really just love that they emailed the guy and he's showing it off.

01:46:24.000 That was incredible.

01:46:26.000 That was a cartoon.

01:46:29.000 He's like, the Veritas person's like, what's this Project Veritas?

01:46:33.000 You know what would be funny?

01:46:35.000 If then the Veritas guy, the guy who's filming, he says, aha, I am Veritas.

01:46:40.000 But then the guy he's filming goes, I was James O'Keefe the whole time.

01:46:43.000 And they're both Veritas.

01:46:46.000 Wait a second.

01:46:46.000 Why did we do this?

01:46:47.000 I don't know, man.

01:46:48.000 Want a drink?

01:46:49.000 Yeah.

01:46:49.000 Everyone is James O'Keefe.

01:46:50.000 But then Veritas puts together, like, a hit piece on Veritas.

01:46:54.000 Like, Project Veritas.

01:46:55.000 It's called a Project Veritas agent doing this.

01:46:56.000 You know what would be another funny skit is a person working at Twitter who is paranoid and thinks everyone is James O'Keefe.

01:47:03.000 And so he, like, he grabs an old woman and is, like, pulling on her hair, like, take the wig off!

01:47:07.000 I know that's you, O'Keefe!

01:47:11.000 So let's ad-lib all of these.

01:47:12.000 Dude, we should do a bunch of these for sure.

01:47:14.000 Or one 20-minute long one.

01:47:17.000 All right.

01:47:19.000 Sam Whiter says, I sent this chat yesterday, but gladly send it again since yesterday's show was amazing.

01:47:23.000 When I was watching your segment about Disney, I thought about the South Park episode about the pedo group Nambla.

01:47:28.000 Yeah.

01:47:30.000 The North American Marlon Brando lookalikes.

01:47:38.000 Make 1984 fiction again says, since you didn't get this yesterday, I'll try again.

01:47:42.000 There is no such thing as a viability argument.

01:47:44.000 There is no such thing as a baby viable in or out of the womb until three years old that's generous. 1.00

01:47:52.000 But I understand that point.

01:47:54.000 But the idea being conveyed is there's a point at which the baby doesn't need to rely on the blood of the mother.

01:48:00.000 Like, it can be sustained through technology.

01:48:04.000 That's why I asked that question.

01:48:06.000 I can't remember who I asked, but like, Like if you don't have to kill it, why kill it?

01:48:11.000 one can moment of conception could be taken out in place in an artificial womb 0.84

01:48:15.000 should that be required for any abortion like if you don't have to kill it why kill it you know I 0.96

01:48:24.000 mean I think I think the issue is oh yeah I think the issue is that a lot of

01:48:28.000 abortions are due to financial issues

01:48:31.000 And so it's like the intentional killing of the baby because they're like, well, I can't afford it.

01:48:36.000 So when I brought that up to Matt the other day, I said, well, what about a man who also can't afford it?

01:48:40.000 Can he choose to set a responsibility?

01:48:41.000 He said, no.

01:48:42.000 And I'm like, okay, well, I don't know how you have the argument that a woman who can't afford the baby can't abort it, but the man who can't afford the baby has no choice and has to go to jail for being a deadbeat.

01:48:53.000 You gotta be consistent, man.

01:48:54.000 I'm trying to figure out what your positions are for these guys.

01:48:59.000 MiniStrangeCork says, Shamus, please make a tune of James O'Keefe in drag on a sting.

01:49:05.000 That would be hilarious.

01:49:06.000 All of you at the Castle Rock.

01:49:07.000 Chicken City forever.

01:49:08.000 Well, I'm sure you have been pleasantly surprised by all the O'Keefe skits we've been coming up with here.

01:49:13.000 So if you do it, it has to be a musical parody.

01:49:19.000 It has to be like a Hamilton or Oklahoma for James O'Keefe.

01:49:23.000 Yeah, it has to be.

01:49:26.000 I like the wedding one.

01:49:27.000 The wedding one?

01:49:28.000 I just want someone to go through their whole life and at the very end of their life, their spouse was doing a hit.

01:49:32.000 No, the child they had with their spouse was doing an O'Keefe hit piece.

01:49:35.000 The whole thing was set up.

01:49:36.000 Alright.

01:49:40.000 Dude, James O'Keefe puts a liberal, like, in the Truman Show.

01:49:43.000 He, like, raises a liberal from birth in the Truman Show and watches everything they do and just livestreams it.

01:49:50.000 He's like, this is who they are!

01:49:51.000 This is how they think!

01:49:52.000 This proves it!

01:49:53.000 This proves how liberals are!

01:49:55.000 He's proving the point that a liberal from birth would retain... So he's like, we've kidnapped the child of a liberal family.

01:50:01.000 Now we're raising it in an isolated space to see what behaviors it has to prove whether or not liberals are inherently, you know, liberal.

01:50:08.000 All right, Iggy the Incubus says, Ayo Tim, as many times as your streams have gone down, all of a sudden, are you sure it's not actual malice from the overlords at YouTube at this point?

01:50:16.000 Oh, I think it is.

01:50:17.000 I mean, we did a segment where He Who Shall Not Be Named was named, and then the stream goes down halfway through.

01:50:23.000 Yeah, sus.

01:50:23.000 A little bit.

01:50:25.000 There was a stream that went down, but Chicken City, which is streaming through the same network, was live.

01:50:29.000 Really weird!

01:50:31.000 They're streaming from the same network.

01:50:33.000 How does that happen?

01:50:34.000 How does that happen, huh?

01:50:37.000 Okay, we'll get some more.

01:50:38.000 Morgan H says, James O'Keefe.

01:50:40.000 Oh, James O'Keefe.

01:50:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:42.000 James O'Keefe.

01:50:43.000 I know that guy.

01:50:44.000 Very nice.

01:50:46.000 Fire Sky says, very nice shirt, Tim.

01:50:48.000 Also, please do that skit.

01:50:50.000 All the skits.

01:50:51.000 Every single one.

01:50:52.000 I mean, I would love to actually have James come down to be in a skit.

01:50:56.000 It has to.

01:50:57.000 That would be so good.

01:50:58.000 It would be hilarious.

01:50:59.000 Let me message his people.

01:51:01.000 Do it, do it, do it.

01:51:02.000 See what I can do.

01:51:03.000 Take the wig off and it's James.

01:51:05.000 Or it could just be James in the suit, in a full suit, but also wearing a really awful wig.

01:51:09.000 And the guys are like, what's up girl?

01:51:11.000 Hey, you wanna hear about my Twitter hijinks?

01:51:15.000 Yeah.

01:51:16.000 You want to hear about some corporate malfeasance, girl? 0.95

01:51:18.000 I know I've only just met you, but let me give you this ledger of every illegal thing I've done.

01:51:24.000 I wouldn't do this if we didn't meet organically.

01:51:28.000 Alright, seriously, JK says, Shamus, the undercover dude knew his audience perfectly.

01:51:32.000 That being the tweet.

01:51:33.000 He played directly to him because he knew he could while mocking him at the same time.

01:51:37.000 It was actually brilliant improv, in my opinion.

01:51:41.000 I don't think that guy knew it was Veritas.

01:51:42.000 I don't know, that's hard to tell.

01:51:43.000 Dude, the whole exchange is so bizarre.

01:51:45.000 It's so hysterical.

01:51:46.000 It seems contrived.

01:51:48.000 He seemed a little dry.

01:51:49.000 He seemed tipsy.

01:51:51.000 Yeah.

01:51:51.000 So maybe... I mean...

01:51:54.000 Neo Reaper says, instead of Punk'd, you get O'Keefe'd.

01:51:57.000 Seamus, get on it.

01:51:58.000 Oh my gosh.

01:51:58.000 It's like, actually, you weren't on a date.

01:52:00.000 You confessed to criminal activity.

01:52:02.000 And they're like, ah, you got him.

01:52:05.000 Dude.

01:52:06.000 Dude, there's so many good ones.

01:52:06.000 Write them down.

01:52:07.000 With this guy, I'm still stuck on, what is this?

01:52:12.000 Project Burritos.

01:52:14.000 That's something someone in a fake mustache says.

01:52:18.000 I know. 0.99

01:52:20.000 Well, that was the gay one. 1.00

01:52:21.000 He could have had a fake mustache. 0.99

01:52:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:23.000 They all do, even the beautiful women are wearing fake mustaches. 0.98

01:52:27.000 The glasses with the big nose.

01:52:29.000 The glasses with a giant camera protruding from the front of their head.

01:52:35.000 All does as O'Keefe sends 100s the entire bar was O'Keefe.

01:52:38.000 Oh, he sends hundreds. The entire bar was O'Keefe Oh my god. Oh my gosh, they'd be

01:52:42.000 all over like Do the whole bar is cardboard

01:52:48.000 Dude, he could literally put a cardboard cutout on a remote-control car that had a camera attached to it

01:52:54.000 And these people would spill their secrets to it. All right around. I'll tell you

01:52:57.000 So hold on so the guy who gets stung by Veritas on his you know

01:53:02.000 He's dating a girl and then he pulls the wig off. It's it's O'Keefe. It's like it's too late. You've said everything.

01:53:07.000 Ah He becomes paranoid

01:53:09.000 So then he goes to work and then someone at the office is talking to him and he's like, I admitted to everything.

01:53:14.000 And then all of a sudden he's like, wait a minute.

01:53:16.000 And then he pulls the wig off and it's James again.

01:53:18.000 So that's freaking out.

01:53:19.000 So then he goes to therapy and he's sitting on the bed and the doctors and the therapist is like, tell me what it's like at your job.

01:53:25.000 And he's like, well, what's been happening is wait, wait a minute.

01:53:28.000 No, no, it can't be.

01:53:30.000 And then he pulls the wig off and the therapist is James O'Keefe.

01:53:32.000 No, no, but the solution or the resolution is the, you know, entire world is turned against him.

01:53:38.000 But fortunately, they're all James O'Keefe.

01:53:39.000 So he's like, well, this guy didn't like me anyway.

01:53:42.000 Yeah.

01:53:43.000 All right, we'll grab some more.

01:53:44.000 A lot of people pointing out the other Veritas video.

01:53:49.000 Charles Fritt says, date videos allow the whistleblower to feign outrage and keep their jobs.

01:53:54.000 Get Christian Westbrook from Ice Age Farmer on the show, please.

01:53:58.000 That sounds cool.

01:54:01.000 Charles Bloomer says, this is for Shim cartoon skit.

01:54:04.000 For you sir, a commercial for Justin Trudeau charcoal facial mask.

01:54:09.000 Hilarious.

01:54:10.000 That's a good one.

01:54:11.000 Oh my goodness.

01:54:12.000 And then it ends with being like, and coming soon, the Ralph Northam.

01:54:16.000 Oh my gosh.

01:54:20.000 Northam bedsheets.

01:54:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:54:24.000 Yeah.

01:54:26.000 What are they called?

01:54:27.000 Die-cut bedsheets.

01:54:30.000 PimsTheGreat says, sent this yesterday before YouTube deleted everything.

01:54:34.000 Just closed on 9.5 acres for my homestead Monday, but wanted to ask your opinion on BlackRock owning 75% of Ancestry.com.

01:54:40.000 Scary that they now have access to people's DNA.

01:54:43.000 Yes, they do.

01:54:44.000 Is Ancestry DNA?

01:54:46.000 I'm pretty sure Ancestry is taking him.

01:54:48.000 Because I had Ancestry for a while.

01:54:49.000 But you still have Ancestry.

01:54:51.000 Yeah, technically.

01:54:52.000 23andMe is that you send your blood or something?

01:54:55.000 Yeah, I never did that.

01:54:56.000 I was like, oh my goodness.

01:54:59.000 They send you a small knife in a package and you slice your palm and then squeeze.

01:55:04.000 They don't do that.

01:55:04.000 And then a guy there does blood brothers with you and does rituals with your blood.

01:55:08.000 You actually just like swab your cheek or something.

01:55:11.000 But I always thought it was funny that in movies they'll take when it's like the ritual calls for blood and they're like let me slice my entire palm open instead of like poking my arm.

01:55:19.000 Yeah, it's like how much blood did you need?

01:55:23.000 And then their hand is like fine or they'll just wrap it and it's like bro you're not gonna be able to like it's gonna hurt.

01:55:27.000 They're like we need blood let me cut my arm off.

01:55:31.000 Let me slit this way. 1.00

01:55:35.000 PRCE5 says, I'm picturing James O'Keefe as Willem Dafoe in Boondock Saints at the end.

01:55:40.000 Yeah, that was a good one.

01:55:43.000 Yo, James, we've got so many funny skits.

01:55:45.000 They say, when are you thinking?

01:55:48.000 As soon as humanly possible.

01:55:50.000 Yeah, as soon as humanly possible.

01:55:51.000 We could easily do this.

01:55:51.000 All we need is a wig.

01:55:52.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:55:53.000 That would be really funny.

01:55:56.000 All right.

01:55:56.000 We'll figure it out.

01:55:57.000 We don't have a skit channel.

01:55:58.000 I mean, look, if we did it without Keith, we could also... No, I mean, we could also literally... I could do a cartoon of it.

01:56:02.000 We could just, like, if he's interested, send his voice in.

01:56:04.000 That'd be good too, yeah.

01:56:07.000 But there's, like, so many.

01:56:08.000 I know.

01:56:08.000 Well, we're gonna do 50 of them then!

01:56:10.000 All right.

01:56:11.000 No, but I would love to do a physical... That would also be hilarious.

01:56:15.000 Just with him, yeah.

01:56:16.000 Yeah, that would be hilarious.

01:56:18.000 We can also do some of them for the show.

01:56:20.000 Your idea is fine too, Seamus.

01:56:23.000 For the people who didn't listen to this episode, if I was watching a sketch, and you know it's a James O'Keefe sketch, and then the reveal is it's actually James O'Keefe, I would pop huge for that.

01:56:32.000 It's like a 5'3", skinny blonde chick. 1.00

01:56:35.000 She's like, tell me more about your job.

01:56:38.000 Wow, have you ever done anything bad?

01:56:39.000 And he's like, oh yeah, here's what I did.

01:56:43.000 And then, wait a minute.

01:56:48.000 You've ever done anything bad?

01:56:50.000 Yeah, here's the documents.

01:56:51.000 Can you Xerox that for me?

01:56:53.000 I do have a portable scanner right here.

01:56:58.000 I knew bringing this scanner on all these dates would finally pay off.

01:57:04.000 Derek says your possible skit is a remake of You Got Mail.

01:57:08.000 I don't know what that one is.

01:57:12.000 Also, which possible skit cuz we got like 50 of these I know so good and the James the Jordan beat Jordan Peterson weight loss program Oh, that's right.

01:57:19.000 That has to be done as well.

01:57:20.000 I think you play Peterson where he does I do I do little cartoons He tells everyone to only eat meat, right?

01:57:27.000 Yeah body the archetypal hero stop eating All the food his weight loss app is called the hero's journey.

01:57:36.000 Yeah I would download that.

01:57:39.000 That's actually a good name.

01:57:44.000 Write it down.

01:57:44.000 It'd be funny if like in a week Jordan's got a new book called The Hero's Journey and it's like a weight loss plan.

01:57:49.000 I love it!

01:57:50.000 And then you're like I came up with that and he's like prove it!

01:57:54.000 You're not beautiful.

01:57:56.000 Stop shaming me.

01:57:58.000 All right.

01:58:00.000 Xbox hog says almost died today by turning off the main breaker of my soaking wet circuit breaker box. 0.98

01:58:05.000 Did not get electrocuted, but I was really dumb. 0.99

01:58:07.000 Don't do that. 0.79

01:58:09.000 Summer Andre says Abby Johnson is a great person for perspective.

01:58:12.000 She used to run a planned parenthood until she had to assist in one and watch the baby fight against the tools. 0.96

01:58:18.000 Stu Peters has a great interview with her.

01:58:20.000 Wow.

01:58:20.000 I want to get her on.

01:58:23.000 Crazy.

01:58:24.000 That's not how it was in any state where abortion was illegal prior to Roe v. Wade. 0.90

01:58:28.000 It's not as if women had miscarriages and then the police showed up to their house to investigate.

01:58:31.000 making miscarriage illegal not expressly legal but effectively if they're all 0.97

01:58:34.000 treated as a crime that's not how it was in any state where abortion was illegal

01:58:38.000 prior to Roe v. Wade it's not as if women had miscarriages and then the 0.98

01:58:40.000 police showed up to their house to investigate it's ridiculous yeah I also

01:58:44.000 suppose it depends on the so you would be against that if someone did

01:58:48.000 You can't, like, investigate people for miscarriage.

01:58:50.000 Right.

01:58:50.000 No, yeah.

01:58:50.000 Well, you could.

01:58:51.000 What if a woman's eight months pregnant and the baby, you know, she has a miscarriage?

01:58:55.000 So if you have something, if there's, like, a dumpster baby, like a, you know, a dead child found in a dumpster or something like that, yeah, you'd have to investigate because that's insane.

01:59:02.000 But... Yeah.

01:59:03.000 But actually, maybe, I don't know, can you have a miscarriage at eight months?

01:59:07.000 I think it's much less likely than earlier in the presidency.

01:59:09.000 I think it would be called something different at that point.

01:59:12.000 I think it's still a miscarriage at that point.

01:59:13.000 Is it?

01:59:13.000 I think it is.

01:59:14.000 I looked it up.

01:59:14.000 Yeah?

01:59:14.000 I don't know.

01:59:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:17.000 So, um, the issue at play with the argument is typically the left is arguing, like, if the baby's dead, then you need to abort.

01:59:26.000 That's not abortion. 1.00

01:59:27.000 It's the removal of the... It's a delivery.

01:59:28.000 Well, the CDC says the termination of a pregnancy with a not live birth.

01:59:35.000 If that's the idea they're trying to convey, I'm trying to steelman their approach.

01:59:39.000 My response is, then put that in the law.

01:59:42.000 Then make it clarify that the life of the baby must be preserved at all costs.

01:59:46.000 But the issue is, despite Matt the other day arguing repeatedly that it's for the health of the mother, he also said when pressed, well, the woman can get an abortion electively.

01:59:58.000 It's her choice.

01:59:59.000 Also, there is no single piece of proposed pro-life legislation and there is no pro-life advocacy group or any group that has ever said, we need to make it illegal to remove a miscarried baby if necessary.

02:00:12.000 You gotta keep it forever. 0.95

02:00:12.000 It's just, it's ridiculous. 0.95

02:00:14.000 No one says that. 0.76

02:00:15.000 Yeah, so a miscarriage after 24 weeks is called a stillbirth.

02:00:19.000 Stillbirth, I'm sorry, you're correct, you're correct. 0.99

02:00:21.000 That's what I thought.

02:00:22.000 Oh, you are right.

02:00:22.000 Yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was something else.

02:00:24.000 Yeah, it is something else.

02:00:25.000 Son of a miscarriage.

02:00:26.000 Yeah.

02:00:26.000 Good point.

02:00:27.000 So, in which case, yeah, miscarriage wouldn't be investigated.

02:00:30.000 Right.

02:00:30.000 No.

02:00:31.000 Yeah.

02:00:31.000 Because, like, miscarriage is pre-viability.

02:00:34.000 I have been shocked by the number of people who are like, well, then, are miscarriages abortions?

02:00:38.000 I'm like, no!

02:00:38.000 It's a horrible, sad thing that just happens.

02:00:41.000 Not legally.

02:00:43.000 Spontaneous abortion is sometimes a medical term people use, yeah, but it's not.

02:00:47.000 What I mean is, I want to make sure we're addressing their idea and not using words that they use differently.

02:00:53.000 Right, well, the removal of an unfortunately miscarried baby is called a D and C, dilation and carettage, which is removing it.

02:01:01.000 Unfortunate, soul crushing.

02:01:02.000 If the pregnancy has already been terminated due to a miscarriage or stillbirth, then abortion is the termination of the pregnancy that doesn't result in a live birth, according to the CDC.

02:01:11.000 Not to start more heated abortion stuff. 1.00

02:01:13.000 I'm just going to disappear.

02:01:14.000 You're about to.

02:01:16.000 More expensive whiskey.

02:01:18.000 What's the per life stance?

02:01:20.000 Genuinely, this is not a gotcha thing.

02:01:23.000 When on the argument where it's abortions are still going to happen, but not safe and legally.

02:01:29.000 So, you know, a kid who is raped and his parents are going to disown them or, you know, like some of these I have friends who were, I mean, I've been in relationships with women who were raped and they were afraid to tell their parents because that was just the dynamic where they would have been shamed or whatever.

02:01:47.000 So people who have to then sneak off to get less safe abortions. 0.99

02:01:51.000 So the argument essentially saying that, yo, they're still going to happen, but it's just not going to be as safe if you don't have access.

02:01:58.000 Is there sort of like a, well, we can do this solution from the pro-life stance on that?

02:02:03.000 No, that's a really good question.

02:02:04.000 So basically, there's a few points.

02:02:08.000 So there's the point about, you know, people are going to break this law.

02:02:11.000 So what do you have to say about that?

02:02:12.000 And then there's this question of whether there are going to be unsafe procedures if abortion isn't illegal.

02:02:17.000 I think for the first question, I would say anytime we implement any kind of legislation to try to help people or save lives, some people are going to break the law.

02:02:25.000 I don't think that's a good reason not to pass the law.

02:02:27.000 So I know in Texas, it's difficult to have perfect metrics on this, but we've seen something like a 66% decline in the number of abortions that have happened there.

02:02:37.000 And when it comes to the back alley abortion narrative, this is a mostly mythical idea that's been sold to the American public that prior to Roe v. Wade, because abortion was illegal, you just had thousands of women dying in these risky procedures.

02:02:52.000 Bernard Nathanson was an abortion doctor who was, I believe, the founder of an organization called NARAL.

02:02:58.000 And he admitted, after he defected from the pro-choice movement, that all of the numbers they produced for the number of women who died in back alley abortion procedures were completely fabricated.

02:03:07.000 The media printed them.

02:03:08.000 It wasn't true.

02:03:09.000 So in 1933, there were about 2,700 recorded deaths from abortions and miscarriages together in the entire country.

02:03:18.000 By the time you get to 1945, that number is under 900.

02:03:22.000 And then by 1972, there were 63.

02:03:26.000 And 38% of them happened in states where abortion was legal.

02:03:29.000 The reason is that as penicillin has become more widely available, Fewer women die from abortions and miscarriages.

02:03:37.000 Yeah, antibiotics have become more widely available.

02:03:40.000 So it's not as if... Penicillin's like the Ben and Jerry of the abortion complex.

02:03:44.000 Well, penicillin's mostly not even in use, I'm pretty sure.

02:03:47.000 Fair, but antibiotics, generally speaking, yeah.

02:03:49.000 So it was an issue of people not having access to antibiotics.

02:03:52.000 And again, before abortion was illegal, 38% of the deaths from abortion were taking place in states where abortion was legal.

02:03:58.000 How do you deal with any other illegal medical procedure?

02:04:01.000 Yeah, I mean they they happen it's not like we you know, we don't see people going out and being like people are

02:04:06.000 illegally selling body parts Yeah, I think even Bergen was talking about that about how

02:04:10.000 there might be more Do they call it medical tourism?

02:04:14.000 Where people kind of cross state lines if it's going to go state by state to find it.

02:04:18.000 What was really interesting to me learning the numbers about abortion was this, what a huge percentage of it is completely just because ladies like, I don't feel like being pregnant. 0.96

02:04:26.000 In fact, Abby Johnson was just talking about a lady who aborted her 16 week old fetus because she wanted a summer body. 0.61

02:04:33.000 Wow.

02:04:33.000 Unbelievable.

02:04:34.000 Let's read some more.

02:04:36.000 We got... Brody Ninja says, Hey Chicago boys, I'll be in Chicago slash Schaumburg in two weeks for a Winnie City Pony Con.

02:04:45.000 I've been recommended Giordano's and Lou Malnati's for pizza.

02:04:48.000 Any other places that'd be cool to check out while there?

02:04:53.000 Um, let's see.

02:04:54.000 We have a bunch of Giordano's actually here in the freezer.

02:04:57.000 It is delicious.

02:04:58.000 I love it.

02:04:59.000 I don't eat the crust though.

02:05:00.000 Just the cheese.

02:05:01.000 Luminati's is also extremely good, and they're both good in different ways.

02:05:06.000 Now, if you want to know the secret...

02:05:08.000 You gotta go down to Archer Avenue on the south side of Chicago and you gotta go to one of two places or both.

02:05:15.000 There's Villa Rosa on Archer near Central.

02:05:20.000 I can't remember, maybe something like La Trobe or something.

02:05:22.000 And then there's Danny's.

02:05:24.000 Danny's Pizza, which is like, maybe that's La Trobe.

02:05:27.000 They're both on Archer.

02:05:29.000 So if you look by Midway Airport, and those are the pizza places that all of my friends and I, we grew up eating, and that's like the real Chicago pizza.

02:05:39.000 You go to Giordano's and Limonati's, you get the tourist pizza.

02:05:41.000 If you want to get the real square cut, semi-thick crust with thick cheese on it, you go down, you go to those places.

02:05:48.000 That's how I feel about the Philly cheesesteak thing, where they're like, you know, like the two main ones are not good.

02:05:54.000 And it's just everything in the surrounding area is very good.

02:05:56.000 All right, let's grab... We'll try and grab a couple more, because we went a little over.

02:06:03.000 Christopher Macy says, Tim, you said people can't grow their own food to feed themselves in cities.

02:06:07.000 Please check out my page on TikTok at rebuildinglifegardens1.

02:06:10.000 This is not true.

02:06:12.000 There are urban gardens that I know about.

02:06:15.000 Places like Detroit, they've created urban gardens.

02:06:16.000 And there's also balcony and rooftop gardens.

02:06:20.000 So, I'm sure, um, I could be wrong, but I wonder if you'd have the acreage to sustain a population of a city.

02:06:27.000 I don't, that's just not possible, you know?

02:06:30.000 So, I think if you look at the amount of available arable land in a city versus how many people live there, you'd have to drop it down by 99%.

02:06:35.000 I mean, you can grow some food, right?

02:06:38.000 But I don't think you could, it's impossible to sustain yourself.

02:06:41.000 You know, we've got, I think now, with the babies, maybe like 40 chickens.

02:06:46.000 And I'm like, it's great.

02:06:47.000 Every three years you get to eat one when they stop laying.

02:06:51.000 I suppose you can eat it once it's fully grown by like, if you're doing broiler hens or something.

02:06:56.000 Maybe you'll eat the roosters.

02:06:57.000 Or if it upsets you.

02:06:58.000 Or if it's just out of line.

02:07:00.000 Or if someone it loves upsets you.

02:07:03.000 But if they're laying eggs, we don't want to eat them.

02:07:05.000 And then they lay it for like three years.

02:07:08.000 But if you have the proper cycle going, you'll always have a couple chickens.

02:07:11.000 But you got to understand, guys, one chicken gets you two wings.

02:07:16.000 Technically, you got the flats and the drums, so maybe four.

02:07:20.000 But when you go to a restaurant and you're like, I'm gonna get twelve wings in buffalo sauce.

02:07:25.000 Twelve! 0.52

02:07:27.000 How many chickens?

02:07:27.000 Three to six chickens, depending on if you're getting flats and drums.

02:07:29.000 Well, Tim, I hope modern science is working on that.

02:07:32.000 Me too.

02:07:33.000 We can have chickens with twelve wings.

02:07:34.000 Who says?

02:07:34.000 Why not?

02:07:35.000 Man, old Jamie would have gone on an hour-long vegan tirade.

02:07:39.000 You're welcome, Super Chat.

02:07:41.000 Theo C says, I am become James O'Keefe, destroyer of tweeps.

02:07:47.000 Tweeps, bro.

02:07:49.000 Gundam Wing says, I've heard a lot about women's rights and talk about babies when it comes to abortion. 1.00

02:07:53.000 What about the father's rights?

02:07:54.000 It takes two to make a baby, but I haven't seen anyone talking about the father's rights.

02:07:58.000 Should women get abortions against the father's wishes? 1.00

02:08:00.000 Well, the pro-choice guy, I guess, said men have no choice.

02:08:04.000 So I think he's anti-choice.

02:08:07.000 So I don't know.

02:08:09.000 I think, you know, there's got to be responsibility involved.

02:08:12.000 And there's a serious question about the father's rights, but it's not the father carrying the baby, which is it is the legal question of the rights in question.

02:08:20.000 So when it came to the Supreme Court decisions, they're like, well, there's the woman, but then there's the baby and they're both in the same space.

02:08:26.000 The father is not in that space.

02:08:28.000 So it's I don't know how that would work.

02:08:30.000 But I think we need cultural solutions.

02:08:32.000 I think our culture needs to decide what we will and will not accept.

02:08:36.000 There are certain things you can't do, there are certain things you can.

02:08:39.000 Yeah, I mean, it's the woman's body. 0.99

02:08:40.000 Because I was trying to think about it, because I'm really going to meditate on a lot of the things you guys said, because it's stuff I legitimately never thought about.

02:08:50.000 When you told the story about the baby who was coming out, Gasp because I never heard those stories before and so I was trying to think about it But especially I mean if you make it equal, I mean it is the woman's body is the government It's a woman's body.

02:09:07.000 And if you're in an abusive relationship if you know, there's so many Dicey situations where if it was equal like it's not equal it is in one of our bodies.

02:09:16.000 It's not ever gonna be equal Yeah, it's impossible.

02:09:18.000 Yeah, because women carry babies and men don't yeah period and but now there's a there's a there's a viral you know maybe 1.00

02:09:23.000 we should talk about there are these viral posts going around of of men breastfeeding i yeah i

02:09:27.000 think we should we Let's talk about it, because we're talking about these rights, so here's what we'll do.

02:09:32.000 Head over to TimCast.com, become a member.

02:09:34.000 We're going to address the questions of equality on this issue, but there's viral posts going around, I think Libs of TikTok had it, where men are taking hormone pills to induce lactation so they can share the burden with their wives. 0.72

02:09:45.000 Yeah, I'm definitely gonna have more whiskey.

02:09:47.000 Have some more?

02:09:48.000 And this is gonna be an interesting conversation.

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02:10:14.000 Jamie you want to shout anything out?

02:10:15.000 Yeah, Instagram at the Jamie Kilstein.

02:10:17.000 You're probably better off there because I preemptively have a lot of you blocked.

02:10:21.000 I'm so sorry on Twitter from my old days.

02:10:23.000 But my Twitter's at Jamie Kilstein and the podcast is a F-Ups, but spelled out, guide to the universe.

02:10:30.000 Or you can go to JamieKilsteinPodcast.com. 0.79

02:10:33.000 By the way, I can't believe you hypocrites were complaining about the formula shortage and you don't want men to lactate us all the time. 1.00

02:10:39.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1.00

02:10:43.000 Hypocrites, hypocrites. 1.00

02:10:45.000 So my name is Seamus. 0.99

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02:11:13.000 Those are even more funny, to be honest.

02:11:14.000 Those are a lot of fun, yeah.

02:11:16.000 The chicken one was one of the funniest.

02:11:19.000 Shame is just screaming.

02:11:20.000 People thought it was me screaming.

02:11:22.000 Well, yes, because that would be appropriate.

02:11:24.000 I mean, that's to be expected from Tim.

02:11:26.000 That's true, yeah.

02:11:27.000 I just want to say I want to know more about this receptacle where you put your emails for Seamus' site.

02:11:32.000 That sounds terrifying.

02:11:33.000 Go to freedomtunes.com, T-O-O-N-S, and you'll be able to drop your email address in there.

02:11:39.000 In that receptacle.

02:11:40.000 I am definitely going to drink whiskey for this episode of the After Show, for sure.

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02:11:52.000 Alright, thanks for hanging out everybody.

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