Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Elon Musk Twitter Buyout EXPOSES Shady Dealing w-Michael Knowles & Jeremy Boreing

00:00:03.000 Elon Musk has just, I don't know how you describe this, nuked the culture war, and it's really exposed some rather shady dealings, which I find particularly interesting.

00:00:13.000 Notably, a Saudi prince is rejecting the buyout offer, because they're one of the biggest investors, saying, no, no, Twitter is worth more, even though most reporting shows that Twitter is failing stagnant growth, and it was failing years ago.

00:00:26.000 Trump is the only reason, as far as I know, that it started to come back.

00:00:29.000 So why are these companies so interested on retaining this power?

00:00:34.000 Elon Musk is no longer the largest shareholder.

00:00:36.000 Vanguard just bought more shares, and it seems like they're not going to go for the buyout either.

00:00:40.000 My opinion?

00:00:42.000 You know, the Saudi prince is right.

00:00:44.000 Twitter is more valuable than $54.20 per share.

00:00:47.000 It's the political influence you wield when you silence those who disagree with you.

00:00:51.000 We've talked about this before, and I think this may play a role.

00:00:55.000 Naturally, you have many Twitter employees freaking out, the media's freaking out, but Elon Musk ain't backing down.

00:01:00.000 He's actually put them in a difficult position, because if they go against the will of the majority of the shareholders, they're violating their fiduciary responsibility, and it opens them up to liability.

00:01:09.000 So this may be one of the most epic and craziest moments in the culture war.

00:01:13.000 We definitely gotta talk about that.

00:01:15.000 And I gotta tell you, man, almost... there's just too much to go through, because this is huge.

00:01:18.000 But we do have the RNC pulling out of the Commission on Presidential Debates, which is also equally massive, and a bunch of stories about abortion being banned, which is seemingly just escalating, and of course, many on the left are freaking out.

00:01:30.000 We'll get into all that.

00:01:31.000 Joining us today is the intrepid duo Smokey Mike and the God King.

00:01:36.000 Yeah.

00:01:36.000 Who's first, like, billing?

00:01:38.000 You, Jeremy?

00:01:39.000 Well, Smokey Mike gets first billing because when one is known as the God King, they don't need, they don't care about things like this.

00:01:46.000 How do you follow a God King? 0.92

00:01:50.000 Michael, go first.

00:01:50.000 That's right.

00:01:51.000 Who are you?

00:01:52.000 Well, I'm Smokey Mike.

00:01:53.000 I'm a well-known guitarist and sitar player and 1970s rock icon, so it's good to be here.

00:02:00.000 I do, in my free time, I have a show called the Michael Knowles Show at the Daily Wire.

00:02:05.000 Which is fun.

00:02:06.000 It's kind of like a little amateur side project.

00:02:08.000 Not your passion project.

00:02:09.000 But it's not, yeah.

00:02:10.000 I mean, the way I pay the bills is with my acoustic guitar and my psychedelic cool licks.

00:02:16.000 In all seriousness, maybe people don't know, you were on, I don't know if it was last time, but you actually played a song about your book.

00:02:23.000 For our members only.

00:02:24.000 Hey, you know, I really have to thank you guys because, seriously, I go on Tim's show, I come on the podcast, and all of a sudden everyone in the Super Chats starts plugging my book.

00:02:34.000 And I think one of the main reasons that book hit number one nationally is because your listeners, Tim, were so relentless about promoting this book, which is why I'm so happy to say paperbacks out in June, baby.

00:02:46.000 Let's do it.

00:02:47.000 Speechless coming back.

00:02:48.000 I just want to point out.

00:02:48.000 What's it called again?

00:02:50.000 Speechless, okay.

00:02:51.000 It is true they were promoting it, but actually I think they were trolling me because what they would do is they would start the super chat and I would get into reading it and then it would devolve into promoting Michael Sparks.

00:03:00.000 They got me, but it helped so, you know.

00:03:02.000 It did.

00:03:03.000 Great job guys.

00:03:04.000 Keep it up.

00:03:04.000 June 2022.

00:03:05.000 Really appreciate it.

00:03:06.000 It's good.

00:03:07.000 We do have the God King himself, but small G, right? 0.96

00:03:07.000 Villa PR. 0.96

00:03:10.000 Lowercase g, lowercase k. I am the man to whom Michael Knowles owes everything, except apparently the success of his last book.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, I'm the co-founder, co-CEO of The Daily Wire, and also 70s rock icon.

00:03:26.000 For those who don't know, Smokey Mike and the God King, legendary performance at the Ryman Auditorium last year.

00:03:32.000 How will we ever top it?

00:03:35.000 And the answer is, we don't know.

00:03:37.000 I have an idea.

00:03:39.000 I'm on board.

00:03:41.000 Let's, uh... The garden?

00:03:43.000 The garden!

00:03:43.000 Madison Square Garden.

00:03:44.000 I know.

00:03:45.000 Because we've already played the Mother Church of Country Music, so you're saying that would have to be the elevation.

00:03:49.000 I suppose.

00:03:49.000 Yeah.

00:03:50.000 I mean, I don't know how you pull off filling out, what is it, 60,000 seater or something?

00:03:53.000 Oh, that's easy.

00:03:54.000 It's just more... It's like this guy doesn't even know a good joke when he hears it.

00:03:54.000 No, that's easy.

00:03:57.000 Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

00:03:58.000 The garden, that's easy. 0.99

00:03:59.000 But it's like, you know, you gotta get on a plane, put on the dumb masks. 0.99

00:04:01.000 They just extended that another two weeks. 0.98

00:04:03.000 So, we gotta work out the logistics.

00:04:04.000 Wait, well, hold on.

00:04:05.000 You don't have a private jet?

00:04:06.000 You're right.

00:04:08.000 The 70s rock icon himself flies coach?

00:04:10.000 Well, after what happened to Skinner, we said, you know, only commercial from now on.

00:04:15.000 What we said is only commercial for Smokey Mike.

00:04:18.000 Did we mention your name, Jeremy Boring?

00:04:21.000 Oh yeah, my name is Jeremy Boring.

00:04:23.000 There may be, you know, somebody's listening and is like, God King, who is this man?

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00:05:52.000 Well, let's talk about this.

00:05:55.000 I don't even know how to begin with this story, because we've just got so much going on with the Elon Musk nuclear bomb on Twitter.

00:06:02.000 So as many of you may have heard, Elon Musk this morning announces he wants a full buyout.

00:06:08.000 100% of the platform at $54.20.

00:06:10.000 Full disclosure, I own 22 shares of the company.

00:06:13.000 Not a whole lot.

00:06:14.000 I would like to see Elon Musk fix it, and if that means being bought out and getting rid of all the shares, I'm fine with that.

00:06:20.000 Elon Musk is right about a lot of the problems.

00:06:22.000 The top 10 users, barely any of them tweet anymore.

00:06:24.000 Several haven't even tweeted this year.

00:06:26.000 But something strange is happening.

00:06:28.000 Even though $54.20 is above market rate, it's a premium on the value of the shares.

00:06:35.000 And even though Elon Musk is saying if he can't affect positive change, he might actually sell off his shares, which would be detrimental to the company.

00:06:42.000 These powerful interests don't want to sell.

00:06:44.000 I wonder why that is.

00:06:45.000 So here's the first story we have in this, because what we're seeing is Elon Musk expose what appears to be some kind of shady dealings.

00:06:51.000 Cameron Winklevoss says, Twitter is considering a poison pill to thwart Elon Musk's offer.

00:06:57.000 They would rather self-immolate than give up their censorship programs.

00:07:02.000 This shows you how deeply committed they are to Orwellian control of the narratives and global discourse.

00:07:07.000 Scary.

00:07:07.000 That's a win-win.

00:07:07.000 Elon Musk responds if the current Twitter board takes actions contrary to the shareholder interests

00:07:13.000 They would be breaching their fiduciary duty the liability. 0.62

00:07:16.000 They would thereby assume would be Titanic in scale What a freaking stud it's just great the thing that's most 0.71

00:07:24.000 inspiring about this is generally speaking Mo money mo problems, right? 0.73

00:07:28.000 Right?

00:07:29.000 Generally speaking, we were talking about this a little earlier, as people get money and influence and power, they just, they get timid.

00:07:36.000 They get risk averse.

00:07:38.000 And this guy is gambling 41 billion dollars on a really important, politically significant troll.

00:07:49.000 I think it's more than that, though.

00:07:50.000 You know, he called the Babylon Bee when they got suspended, and the story apparently is, he said, did you guys really get suspended over this joke?

00:07:56.000 They said yes, and he goes, I might have to buy Twitter.

00:07:59.000 Well, also- I think- Wow.

00:08:00.000 I mean- Sorry, just, Elon Musk has got- I'll put it this way.

00:08:04.000 He's got 280 billion dollars towards his net worth.

00:08:08.000 If you had 280 bucks, and someone was like, hey, this really important thing is 50 bucks, You know, you might be like, eh, it's $50, it's a lot, but, you know, for him... Well, it's even better than that, because it's not as though it has no value.

00:08:23.000 So he buys it for $50, which he's not going to have to do.

00:08:25.000 I think his actual plan is, offer them $50, they're going to say no, he sells off his 9.2%, he crashes the price of their stocks, now he comes in and buys it for $20.

00:08:38.000 Yeah.

00:08:38.000 makes it private, fixes it, relists it on the New York Stock Exchange 12-18 months later,

00:08:44.000 doubles his money.

00:08:45.000 So he gets to both do the greatest probably social good for free speech that anyone's

00:08:51.000 done in our lifetime, and probably double his cash on the whole affair.

00:08:56.000 And I also want to say, when Twitter is threatening to self-immolate and destroy their company,

00:09:00.000 we have to take that seriously because we've seen them do it before.

00:09:03.000 Like we know they're capable of it.

00:09:04.000 Twitter?

00:09:05.000 Yeah, just completely destroying any value within their own company.

00:09:08.000 My understanding is that before 2016, Twitter was losing users.

00:09:13.000 They had changed their metric for how they calculated users from, like, something like daily active to monthly active, so that, you know, because the average person was using the platform less, they said, okay, well, if they use it once in the month, then... But it's been a while, so you gotta fact check that one, because I haven't been tracking that as much.

00:09:30.000 But when I see this idea that Twitter would self-immolate, I'm like, Yeah, because I think the real issue for these investors is power.

00:09:36.000 Political power.

00:09:37.000 It's more valuable than cash.

00:09:39.000 It is political.

00:09:41.000 That's the word we have to use.

00:09:44.000 We always make fun of this sort of build your own Twitter, build your own Google.

00:09:47.000 No, they're ensconced in power.

00:09:49.000 There was a time at the beginning of social media when there was competition.

00:09:52.000 We're way past that.

00:09:53.000 They've exploited legal liability protections.

00:09:55.000 They've teamed up with the government and they've defrauded their users.

00:09:58.000 So we're stuck with these guys.

00:10:01.000 So now there's this third option, which is don't build your own Twitter, just buy your

00:10:04.000 own Twitter.

00:10:06.000 And when we talk about political power, we usually think about the government.

00:10:12.000 We live in a republic.

00:10:13.000 In a republic, you govern yourself with speech.

00:10:16.000 You engage in speech in the public square.

00:10:19.000 If some bozo in Silicon Valley is controlling all the speech in the republic and censoring very important people in that republic, you don't have free speech, you don't have a republic.

00:10:29.000 It's the most important thing for our form of government in years.

00:10:32.000 Yeah, there's an important, you know, this term fiduciary duty may be not common to everyone who's listening.

00:10:38.000 Essentially what it means is if you are in a position of responsibility for someone else's investment, then you have a legal obligation, not just a moral, but a legal obligation to put their interests ahead of your own interests.

00:10:52.000 And in publicly traded companies, this typically means the executives and it means the board of directors.

00:10:57.000 these are people who because they represent in a sort of lowercase r republican sense they

00:11:03.000 represent the average investor the retail investor they have obligations the our friend vivek

00:11:10.000 ramaswamy i think is so good about this he talks about these companies you know part of the story

00:11:14.000 is that today vanguard took an outsized stake in twitter so that they would actually be the

00:11:20.000 biggest shareholder and elon would no longer be the number one shareholder vanguard along with

00:11:25.000 blackrock and one other state street yes imagine they own 22 trillion dollars worth of the s&p 500

00:11:34.000 worth of the top 500 companies that are traded on the on the stock exchange what they are essentially

00:11:41.000 is using your money Money from your 401k, from your Roth IRA, money from your pension account.

00:11:48.000 They're using your money to amass power for themselves to act against your interests.

00:11:55.000 And I think Vivek rightly points out, it's actually probably the greatest abuse of fiduciary responsibility in all of human history.

00:12:03.000 And I think that's part of what Elon is, I mean, very clearly up against.

00:12:07.000 He's up against the, you say, these deeply entrenched powers that be, or these deeply entrenched powers against free speech.

00:12:14.000 It's literally three entities.

00:12:16.000 So, The Daily Wire, you're launching kids content.

00:12:20.000 Are you insinuating you're going to launch financial investment and holdings companies to challenge this machine?

00:12:25.000 There is nothing that we will not do.

00:12:29.000 I'm imagining it's like 2070, and people are like, oh, I gotta run to the Daily Wire to cash my check.

00:12:35.000 When you're out, can you go to the Daily Wire to pick up a large pizza?

00:12:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:40.000 But I'm gonna stop at the Daily Wire to fill up my tank before I go.

00:12:43.000 Meanwhile, down in the Caribbean, on an island called Godkingia...

00:12:47.000 I mean, Ben has been offering me payday loans since I started at the company.

00:12:52.000 50 points on the day.

00:12:54.000 If they were to refuse this buyout and then maybe do their investors wrong, what could they expect?

00:12:58.000 What kind of reprisal?

00:13:00.000 Well, I think that heretofore, none.

00:13:02.000 It's never occurred to any of them that they could be held responsible.

00:13:04.000 I think what this is, of all the tweets that Elon Musk has put out in the last several weeks about Twitter, this is the most interesting one, because he's essentially saying, I am one of the people they have a fiduciary duty to.

00:13:16.000 By not joining the board, Elon did not place himself in a position of fiduciary responsibility, which leaves him with the actual legal right Wow.

00:13:25.000 to act against the financial interests of Twitter.

00:13:29.000 And I think what he's telling them is, I will personally sue them out of existence if they

00:13:33.000 violate their fiduciary responsibilities.

00:13:35.000 But it's a lie.

00:13:36.000 You know, I mentioned the Trump thing, the platform dying, because when Trump joins,

00:13:41.000 the platform goes nuts.

00:13:42.000 All of a sudden, people have a reason to use it and be on it.

00:13:45.000 Alex Jones, for instance.

00:13:46.000 They have banned people to the point of irrelevancy.

00:13:49.000 It's not fun anymore.

00:13:51.000 I stopped taking the platform seriously.

00:13:53.000 I post such absurd nonsense half the time.

00:13:56.000 But back when there was a real- You have one million followers on the platform.

00:13:59.000 It's weird to me.

00:14:00.000 It's weird to me, too.

00:14:01.000 I posted a hairless rabbit once and I'm like, why are people following me?

00:14:05.000 But they do.

00:14:05.000 And it's fine.

00:14:07.000 Maybe that's it.

00:14:08.000 Maybe the irreverence and the absurdity is something worth following.

00:14:12.000 But my view is, I used to use this platform as a utility for journalism.

00:14:17.000 And now, because of how radioactive the platform has become, how awful it is, it's effectively worthless.

00:14:25.000 I think maybe Twitter realized, or I should say assumed, what a lot of media companies did, that culture war is money.

00:14:32.000 As much as the left likes to accuse any one of us of being grifters, the left has been doing what's called mission-driven storytelling long before any conservative right-wing or libertarian person figured out what was going on.

00:14:42.000 All of these digital media companies in the early 2010s realized if we get political, we make money, and then they have the nerve to call everybody else grifters.

00:14:49.000 Here's the thing, that's fine.

00:14:51.000 You know, obviously at the Daily Wire, we have a point of view.

00:14:55.000 We have a series of biases.

00:14:58.000 But we own those biases.

00:15:00.000 If you look at the tradition of journalism in America, the Tennessee newspaper used to be called the Tennessee Democrat.

00:15:06.000 If you go back to the time of the earliest presidential elections, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, they wouldn't run for office.

00:15:14.000 They would have looked down on that.

00:15:15.000 Instead, they owned and marshaled newspapers to actually be their political instruments.

00:15:22.000 That's always been the history of journalism in this country until the post-war consensus, and then we came up with this absurd notion of objective journalism, which which is a paradoxical kind of concept in and of itself.

00:15:35.000 I think it's very good that the New York Times is so far left.

00:15:39.000 It's very bad that the New York Times won't just admit and own their biases.

00:15:43.000 If they would just tell us, yes, we're on the left, and that gives you a series of expectations

00:15:50.000 when you read our content, doesn't mean that it's okay to be completely polemical

00:15:56.000 or to actually be propaganda outlets.

00:15:59.000 You should tell the truth, but you should let us know from what point of view you're telling that.

00:16:03.000 I agree, except the issue is when big tech platforms embrace that.

00:16:06.000 Well, but again, if Twitter would own its biases, if YouTube would own its biases, that would actually create a market for alternatives.

00:16:14.000 But the problem is that they lie about their biases.

00:16:17.000 I disagree.

00:16:17.000 I think conservatives know Twitter hates them.

00:16:20.000 And what do you do?

00:16:21.000 Parlor, Gab, Mines, Getter?

00:16:23.000 Yeah, no one's going there because there are only two reasons to be on Twitter, and they matter.

00:16:27.000 Twitter is the smallest big tech platform.

00:16:30.000 It's why Elon can make this kind of play, even though he's the richest man in the world.

00:16:34.000 Still, it takes a lot for one guy to take down a big tech platform.

00:16:37.000 There are two reasons to be on Twitter.

00:16:40.000 One is to get into fights with celebrities.

00:16:42.000 It's super fun.

00:16:43.000 It's great.

00:16:44.000 Anyone can do it.

00:16:45.000 The celebrities fight.

00:16:46.000 That's the one reason.

00:16:47.000 The second reason is because it sets the news cycle.

00:16:50.000 So not a lot of people actually use Twitter and they never really have.

00:16:54.000 But all the right people do?

00:16:56.000 All the right people do.

00:16:57.000 And so it's, look, I'll own it.

00:16:59.000 That's how I write a lot of my shows.

00:17:00.000 I see what's trending on Twitter.

00:17:03.000 And it's how a lot of news articles are written now.

00:17:05.000 And all of the blue check journos are on there.

00:17:07.000 And so if you can control the narrative on Twitter, you're really controlling the narrative

00:17:11.000 throughout most of the mainstream media.

00:17:13.000 Speaking of, you mentioned Vanguard, State Street, and BlackRock as three entities essentially

00:17:18.000 If you really look into it, you start to see that they own each other, that there's a lot of the same people.

00:17:21.000 This is from WallStreetZen.

00:17:23.000 State Street is the largest individual shareholder of, or let's get this right, Vanguard is the largest individual State Street shared holder with 34.26 million shares.

00:17:32.000 So Vanguard owns 9.36% of State Street.

00:17:33.000 Wow.

00:17:33.000 million shares representing so Vanguard owns 9.36% of State Street. Wow. And it gets deeper and deeper the more you

00:17:39.000 look into it.

00:17:40.000 Let's pull up some of this weirdity this this this absurdity oddity shady dealings weirdity.

00:17:45.000 So we have this tweet from Alwaleed Talal.

00:17:48.000 He says, I don't believe that the proposed offer by Elon Musk, $54.20, comes close to the intrinsic value of Twitter given its growth prospects.

00:17:56.000 Being one of the largest and long-term shareholders of Twitter, KingdomKHC and I reject this offer.

00:18:03.000 Elon Musk responded to this in a very powerful way.

00:18:06.000 But the first thing I want to do is give you some context.

00:18:08.000 In a story from Reuters, published by Yahoo Finance, they say something very simple.

00:18:14.000 Let me scroll down.

00:18:16.000 Serial underperformer.

00:18:18.000 Twitter's lower-than-expected user additions in recent months have raised doubts about its growth prospects, even as it pursues big projects such as audio chat rooms and newsletters.

00:18:28.000 Yes, anybody who knows anything knows that Twitter has constantly struggled That's right.

00:18:33.000 So what about Elon Musk's premium offer as a bad deal?

00:18:37.000 Well, for the prince in Saudi Arabia, maybe it is a bad deal.

00:18:41.000 Elon Musk responded.

00:18:42.000 Interesting.

00:18:43.000 Just two questions, if I may.

00:18:44.000 How much of Twitter does the kingdom own directly and indirectly?

00:18:48.000 What are the kingdom's views on journalistic freedom of speech?

00:18:51.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:18:53.000 Elon Musk is a brave man in going after some of the biggest companies and political leaders in the world.

00:19:01.000 But he makes a really good point, and I'll throw it back to the point I made earlier.

00:19:04.000 I believe the Prince Alwaleed is correct.

00:19:08.000 $54.20 doesn't come close to the true value of Twitter, which is controlling the American news cycle.

00:19:12.000 Especially if you're dependent upon the United States for weapons, and you like a lot of the US foreign interests when it comes to destabilizing the region.

00:19:19.000 No, it's true.

00:19:20.000 And so people talk about the fact that Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post, and it's definitely very funny.

00:19:24.000 There's a lot of great memes that have come out of that.

00:19:26.000 But Elon Musk owning Twitter would obviously make him significantly more powerful than any billionaire who happens to own a single publication.

00:19:33.000 Well, this is also how Elon Musk, I think, makes almost all of his decisions.

00:19:37.000 He thinks, what is Jeff Bezos doing?

00:19:40.000 How can I do it better?

00:19:41.000 That's his actual...

00:19:44.000 Oh, you make phallic rocket ships?

00:19:46.000 That's cute, Bezos.

00:19:48.000 I'll take us to Mars.

00:19:50.000 I think before the show, you framed it in the best way possible.

00:19:54.000 Who was it?

00:19:54.000 Was it you, Michael, who said, or maybe Seamus, Elon Musk is the first rich person to do something cool with their money?

00:19:59.000 Yeah, and that's not an original thought from myself.

00:20:02.000 I think it might have been Cerno who said that.

00:20:03.000 But then you said Jeff Bezos... How did you frame it?

00:20:08.000 Jeff Bezos does cool... I don't know.

00:20:10.000 He does cool things and makes them uncool.

00:20:13.000 No, you said he's interesting as a boring person.

00:20:15.000 Yeah, something like that. 1.00

00:20:17.000 And his rocket ship looks like a penis. 0.99

00:20:19.000 It was really, really good. 0.98

00:20:22.000 It's like, oh man, it's the greatest joke ever, but if only you were there you would have heard it.

00:20:27.000 Interesting in the way a boring person is, basically.

00:20:28.000 Yeah, you said, in a way, a boring person is like, he makes a rocket, but it's not cool. 0.99

00:20:34.000 It looks like a penis. 0.99

00:20:35.000 You see Elon and Jeff were on Twitter talking back and forth about turning Twitter headquarters into a homeless shelter. 0.99

00:20:41.000 And Basil's like, actually, it's a great idea.

00:20:43.000 We converted half of the Amazon headquarters or something into a homeless shelter in that the employees can volunteer.

00:20:49.000 It's so uncool.

00:20:53.000 The way that this has become a very hostile takeover kind of situation, what I love about it is every time Elon does something new and he is rebuffed, whether it's by the Saudis or whether it's by the board or Parag Agrawal, they say, OK, they got Elon now. 0.98

00:21:11.000 Oh, too bad.

00:21:11.000 It was good.

00:21:12.000 As if Elon just woke up one day and said, hey, buy, buy, buy!

00:21:17.000 It's hard to buy 9% of Twitter.

00:21:19.000 You kind of have a plan going into it, and you don't become the richest guy on Earth.

00:21:24.000 on accident. You know, you generally speaking, you're pretty smart about these things. And Elon,

00:21:29.000 not forget about plan B that he talked about today. I bet you he's got plan C and D and E.

00:21:35.000 He's an engineer. That's what they do.

00:21:37.000 This is the ultimate thing about Elon Musk that I've been saying for a long time.

00:21:41.000 He's the greatest living American. He is the only he is the only person. I'm right here. Okay.

00:21:46.000 The only person on earth right now with a positive vision for the future of humanity

00:21:52.000 that actually involves the dignity of the individual.

00:21:55.000 It actually involves freedom.

00:21:58.000 And it's constructive.

00:21:59.000 He's not a guy who's lamenting the past.

00:22:01.000 He's not a guy who thinks it's all over.

00:22:03.000 He doesn't believe we're at the end of history.

00:22:05.000 He's a guy who's like, let's make things cooler than anybody's ever made them.

00:22:08.000 Let's go further than anybody's ever gone.

00:22:09.000 Let's go faster.

00:22:11.000 The greatest answer maybe in the history of Well, the greatest answer in the history of media is when

00:22:15.000 Larry King asked Vice President Dick Cheney if we should bomb Iran and Dick Cheney said

00:22:19.000 For what?

00:22:22.000 The second best answer in the history of media is when Jay Leno was trying to jab at Elon Musk for putting bulletproof

00:22:30.000 windows on the cyber truck He's like, why would you do that?

00:22:34.000 Why would you do that?

00:22:35.000 And Elon said, because it's badass.

00:22:41.000 You know what I like about Elon Musk?

00:22:43.000 All of those things you mentioned.

00:22:45.000 But $54.20.

00:22:47.000 Everybody's saying he just wanted to put $4.20 in that.

00:22:50.000 He wanted that to be in the news.

00:22:51.000 I bet he did.

00:22:53.000 He posted the next Twitter board meeting is going to be lit and it's him smoking pot.

00:22:57.000 He's just, he's having fun.

00:22:58.000 He's a choice like Ben Franklin, man.

00:23:00.000 Ben Franklin wanted to make the turkey our national bird.

00:23:02.000 The ultimate troll until Elon.

00:23:04.000 I think people like turkeys. 0.89

00:23:06.000 I love turkeys.

00:23:07.000 I'm also I don't know about trolling I think I will say that

00:23:10.000 God Kings don't look up to many folk, but I will say that what everything we do at the daily wire is basically trying

00:23:17.000 to To emulate this kind of an attitude to say that our best

00:23:21.000 days are ahead of us. We can build alternatives We can do good things

00:23:24.000 We don't have to just sit in a state of perpetual grief Because things aren't as aren't the way that they used to

00:23:29.000 be that we can take the great ideas of the past and build better things atop them 0.97

00:23:34.000 Even the same kind of financial, pardon my bluntness, stupidity, you could just take your money and run. 0.99

00:23:41.000 You could run right now and have a good life. 1.00

00:23:43.000 And you, stupidly, have reinvested your money and are building all these new companies. 1.00

00:23:48.000 Certain kind of stupidness to do the right thing. 1.00

00:23:48.000 What an idiot. 1.00

00:23:50.000 Putting money into doing good stuff. 1.00

00:23:52.000 Buying Twitter.

00:23:53.000 Oh man.

00:23:54.000 You know, but the funny thing is that most rich people feel that way, and that freaks me out.

00:23:58.000 I want to give a shout out to Elon because everything he's doing, I'm inspired by.

00:24:04.000 And I'm somebody who grew up with no heroes.

00:24:07.000 I mean, there were pro skateboarders, I was like, that was a great trick, but I never looked at anybody and said, I want to do that.

00:24:12.000 And now I'm watching everything he's doing and it's like, and I'm just like, I need $300 billion so I can buy Twitter too.

00:24:18.000 So I can shake things up.

00:24:19.000 I once tweeted at Elon Musk, why haven't you built an Iron Man suit yet?

00:24:23.000 And he responded, building Starship.

00:24:25.000 And I was like, that's an acceptable response.

00:24:28.000 Duly reviewed.

00:24:29.000 What is so weird about him is that politically he's got generally the right ideas, because all these guys, look, I don't care about cars, I really don't care about electric cars, I don't care about going to space, I never watched Star Wars, not Star Trek, I just don't Shame on you.

00:24:45.000 I know, I know, everyone knocks.

00:24:46.000 I don't care.

00:24:48.000 None of that interests me whatsoever.

00:24:50.000 But you know what I do care about?

00:24:52.000 My republic, and my government, and my politics. 0.99

00:24:55.000 And all these futurist guys are always lunatics. 0.90

00:24:58.000 All these billionaire masters of the universe always want to enslave all of us and put us in a prison colony on Mars. 0.54

00:25:04.000 And he's the one dude who's saying, no, I actually want you to have your traditional way of life and your freedom.

00:25:10.000 Or at a minimum, he's who the government will have to pay to get to the prison colonies on Mars.

00:25:15.000 It's a long game.

00:25:16.000 He is African-American.

00:25:17.000 He's from South America.

00:25:18.000 So do you guys think that we should at some point maybe amend the Constitution so a non-American citizen can run for president? 0.99

00:25:25.000 Well, at least an African-American like Elon Musk should. 1.00

00:25:27.000 The question is, do you really think Elon Musk would do more good as president as opposed to what he's doing now?

00:25:32.000 Not unless he owns Twitter.

00:25:32.000 No way.

00:25:34.000 Well, and I'll say this, I haven't really paid close attention to him, not enough attention to say I am a huge fan, but stuff like this really makes me like him.

00:25:42.000 What I really appreciate is the fact that he is countering the overpopulation narrative.

00:25:47.000 We were discussing this before the show a little bit.

00:25:50.000 That we're not going to have enough people, that underpopulation is going to be a serious problem.

00:25:54.000 He's absolutely correct.

00:25:55.000 And how unbelievably refreshing it is to have an elite who isn't misanthropic, who doesn't say human life is fundamentally bad, or at the very least needs to be mitigated in some way.

00:26:04.000 Shout out to Elon's mom, dude. 0.99

00:26:06.000 That woman is amazing. 1.00

00:26:07.000 But, you know, while we're all getting ready to... Well, I'll keep it family-friendly and just say, pat him on the back.

00:26:13.000 Only to end world hunger.

00:26:15.000 I would only ever do that.

00:26:17.000 But there are questions about his statements on China.

00:26:20.000 Sure.

00:26:21.000 So I could be wrong, but wasn't he going on Chinese social media and praising the Chinese Communist Party or something to that effect?

00:26:27.000 If that's the case, that's very disappointing.

00:26:28.000 I could be wrong.

00:26:29.000 I don't want to call out the dude who I think is doing rad stuff.

00:26:31.000 But part of me is concerned.

00:26:34.000 Maybe the dude's got a big play to make a bunch of money, and he's just... It's still flipping the bird to the system, which I can respect, but is the end goal like you mentioned.

00:26:41.000 Here's what he does.

00:26:42.000 He tanks the company, he buys it, he turns it private, changes some rules, lists it, makes a quick billion.

00:26:47.000 But that's not a bad thing.

00:26:48.000 First of all...

00:26:49.000 Elon Musk doesn't need money. He's the richest person not only in the world

00:26:53.000 But in the history of the world, even when we talk about the 280 some billion dollars of net worth that he has

00:26:59.000 You have to keep in mind SpaceX hasn't had a public offering

00:27:04.000 So we're not we're not really contemplating any of the value that exists in the only access that the United States

00:27:10.000 has to space Neuralink is probably only just getting started hasn't gone

00:27:15.000 public We've never seen in our life, not since Rockefeller, have we seen a figure like Elon Musk.

00:27:21.000 The guy very likely could be the first trillionaire to walk the earth.

00:27:24.000 So we can't even really contemplate the amount of money that Elon Musk represents.

00:27:29.000 So, listen, everybody likes to make a quick billion, but Elon Musk isn't, there's just no way that he's motivated in this by that.

00:27:37.000 More what I'm saying is that the positive aspect of economic incentive is that it allows you to do good and do well.

00:27:44.000 And so I think that Elon Musk is doing a good thing missionally with what he's doing with Twitter, and he will also likely make a lot of money.

00:27:52.000 I don't see those two things being in opposition.

00:27:54.000 So the fear is, with the metaverse and with Neuralink, is someone like Zuckerberg being in charge and letting him get access to your brain.

00:28:01.000 Would you go into the metaverse via a Neuralink if it was Elon Musk who was the, you know, god-king of the metaverse?

00:28:08.000 No, I don't...

00:28:09.000 He's saying he's going to open source the code of Twitter, the algorithm, which is the first step to trusting the device or the software you're using.

00:28:15.000 If you can reference the algorithm, see if it's spying on you or not.

00:28:18.000 If you have a device that lets you enter the metaverse and it's not spying on you, that's the only way to go.

00:28:22.000 Yeah, and so you mentioned some statements that he ostensibly made about China.

00:28:27.000 This is also part of why I'm sort of withholding a little bit.

00:28:30.000 I don't know a huge amount about the guy, but part of the reason I was making the point that I made is because it is really disturbing that the fact that he is against the overpopulation narrative, it's very disturbing that that sets him apart from virtually everyone else in power.

00:28:45.000 But I also think that speaks to what you're discussing, which is this idea of being optimistic and having a plan for the future.

00:28:52.000 I think misanthropy is the greatest indicator that, hey, a person doesn't have a plan for the future and they're just a horrifically jaded pessimist.

00:28:59.000 Listen, the other aspect of this is that he's probably wrong about China, and maybe he isn't a great dad.

00:29:06.000 I don't know, maybe he's a great dad.

00:29:07.000 I'm only saying Elon Musk is a human being, and all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and it's not what is common about us that is noteworthy, definitionally.

00:29:17.000 It's what's noteworthy about us that's noteworthy.

00:29:19.000 And so I think about like George Washington, right?

00:29:21.000 And everybody's like, oh, George Washington owned slaves.

00:29:23.000 I'm like, yeah, he was a planter in Virginia in the 18th century.

00:29:28.000 They all own slaves.

00:29:29.000 That's what's average about him.

00:29:30.000 That's not notable about him at all in his time and in his place.

00:29:34.000 What's notable about him, among other things, is that he freed his slaves.

00:29:37.000 None of the rest of them did.

00:29:38.000 So does that justify slavery?

00:29:40.000 No.

00:29:40.000 Is that an excuse for slavery?

00:29:41.000 No.

00:29:42.000 It's only to say that it's not worth bringing up that George Washington owned slaves.

00:29:45.000 That's not actually an interesting thing about George Washington in his time.

00:29:50.000 He owned 300 slaves, and it was not interesting.

00:29:53.000 about him. If I owned even one slave, it would be remarkably noteworthy, because in my time and in

00:29:59.000 my place, that would be the incredibly strange, peculiar thing that reveals something about me.

00:30:04.000 And so, for a billionaire industrialist to believe in free trade and be dependent somewhat on

00:30:11.000 the Asian markets and probably on Chinese manufacturing, Elon Musk isn't who outsourced all of America's manufacturing.

00:30:19.000 That happened 50 years ago, 60 years ago.

00:30:21.000 But he is dependent in many ways on that manufacturing, although he's doing something about it and trying to manufacture in America.

00:30:28.000 But all that to say, Those aren't actually the interesting things about him.

00:30:31.000 They may be negative things about him, but they're not noteworthy things about him.

00:30:35.000 What's noteworthy about him is that he's the only guy in that space who, to your point, seems to be pro-human.

00:30:40.000 He's the only person in that space who seems to be pro-speech.

00:30:42.000 These are the actual noteworthy things about him.

00:30:44.000 The pro-human thing part is so important because it is the weirdest aspect to me, especially of Bill Gates.

00:30:50.000 Bill Gates will not shut up about how there were too many people on the planet.

00:30:54.000 And it's just a lie.

00:30:55.000 Overpopulation is completely made up.

00:30:58.000 Most notably, there was this book, The Population Bomb, in 1970-71.

00:31:02.000 It said that within 10 years, even if we now coerce abortions, which the book called for, coerce sterility, even if we do that right now, we're screwed.

00:31:11.000 There's going to be, in 10 years, mass famine everywhere.

00:31:14.000 And it was completely made up.

00:31:15.000 We're 50 years later.

00:31:16.000 The world population doubled.

00:31:18.000 Malnutrition is at an all-time low.

00:31:20.000 Let me pull up the story.

00:31:21.000 We actually have the story from USA Today.

00:31:23.000 Elon Musk says there aren't enough people.

00:31:23.000 It's from December.

00:31:26.000 Birth rate could threaten human civilization. 1.00

00:31:28.000 And I think what people don't realize is that the only reason we have the level of technology we do is due to the specialties of human career, human jobs.

00:31:37.000 So, let's go back in time.

00:31:39.000 We're all living in caves.

00:31:41.000 Human beings, it was possible.

00:31:43.000 It was possible for a human being to have the summation of human knowledge in their brain.

00:31:48.000 It was possible, because we knew so little.

00:31:50.000 As time went on, we began to learn more and more, and it came to the point where, you know, way back when, you could be a jack-of-all-trades, master of all, because the only jobs were hunter and gatherer.

00:32:01.000 Master of both.

00:32:02.000 Master of doing.

00:32:03.000 Don't forget shaman.

00:32:04.000 But you, so you were, you were, you were, uh, let's say you were in your thirties.

00:32:04.000 Shaman.

00:32:08.000 So you are spiritually, physically, mentally, uh, at your peak.

00:32:13.000 And you're like, I am the best human there is.

00:32:15.000 Because we didn't know much, but eventually got to the point where we discovered, uh, mining.

00:32:20.000 Um, we, we used animal labor.

00:32:22.000 Eventually one person says I've dedicated my whole life to learning how to tame these beasts.

00:32:27.000 And some other guy said, I only learned how to grow these crops.

00:32:30.000 All of a sudden now the summation of human knowledge splits.

00:32:32.000 And it's only due to the fact there are more people able to support each other.

00:32:35.000 The more people we have, the more specialty jobs there are.

00:32:39.000 I watched this great TED talk.

00:32:41.000 Guy made a toaster from scratch.

00:32:43.000 I love referencing this.

00:32:44.000 He could not do it.

00:32:45.000 Plastic was impossible for him to make.

00:32:47.000 He had to quote-unquote mine it by digging up waste and then melting it.

00:32:51.000 All in all, he made the toaster.

00:32:53.000 It worked for about 20 seconds before frying out.

00:32:56.000 And he said, it's amazing how this toaster costs 10 bucks at Walmart, but a single person struggles to make it.

00:33:02.000 There's a, there's a book.

00:33:02.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 I think it's by, um, Lydia, help me.

00:33:06.000 If you know, it's, it's, uh, no one knows how to make a pizza.

00:33:09.000 Mmm, isn't it by Julie?

00:33:10.000 Julie?

00:33:10.000 Well, I mean, no one outside of Chicago knows how to make a pizza.

00:33:13.000 It's a casserole.

00:33:14.000 It's not a real pizza, but... The idea is that all of the elements of a pizza come from so many different places.

00:33:19.000 That's why we have a conquest, a big part of it.

00:33:21.000 Right, I started thinking about this in terms of, to simplify the whole discussion, think about a meal like a Pad Thai.

00:33:29.000 The amount on American Pad Thai, sugars, fats, oils, the rice noodles, the meats, if you're gonna put squid in it, how all of these things come from all over the world, or maybe even chicken tikka masala.

00:33:38.000 To us, it's like you go to the store and you're like 15 bucks and they hand you the bowl, but all these ingredients come from regions all around the planet, especially in winter, where the chickens might come from the north, the tomatoes come from the south.

00:33:48.000 The more people we have, the more unique things we can create, like spaceships.

00:33:53.000 I think about this a lot when people try to tell, like hippie dippies in L.A.

00:33:56.000 would always try to tell you about the natural diet that they're on.

00:33:59.000 And you're like, yeah, what's the natural diet?

00:34:01.000 Whatever it was, they were describing a way of eating to you that no human being who lived in nature could have ever accomplished.

00:34:10.000 And certainly not in winter.

00:34:11.000 Right.

00:34:12.000 Well, we evolved only to eat, like, kale.

00:34:15.000 Tempeh.

00:34:18.000 Well, I think the issue is... I think overpopulation is an issue mostly in density.

00:34:25.000 And I had this conversation with Michael Malice, because I think you've got to get to the nuance of things.

00:34:29.000 Often these arguments don't explore the deeper issues.

00:34:31.000 And I said, I think overpopulation is a problem.

00:34:35.000 You've got dead zones in the Gulf.

00:34:37.000 You've got garbage patches.

00:34:38.000 You've got the windshield phenomenon.

00:34:41.000 Populations are in decline.

00:34:43.000 And all of these things seem to be tied to, you know, pollution.

00:34:47.000 To which Michael Maus responded, yeah, but that's an issue of density in cities.

00:34:50.000 And I'm like, I'll absolutely accept that.

00:34:52.000 Because I think that's the root of it.

00:34:54.000 And I'm willing to say, you know what?

00:34:55.000 Perhaps the solution is people shouldn't live so close together in concrete blocks that smell like sour milk.

00:35:00.000 That's right.

00:35:01.000 But it's also...

00:35:02.000 There are so many problems with cities in terms of our politics and pollution, but there's a bigger issue here.

00:35:09.000 The better point you're making, in my opinion, is that as more and more humans are born, more and more complexity is added to humanity.

00:35:17.000 And that complexity actually drives things like innovation.

00:35:21.000 So, yes, you get a spaceship, but you also get, uh, uh, you also get, like, super wheat.

00:35:26.000 Like, Al- Alex Barlow- Barlow is the name of the guy who invented- Norman Borlaug?

00:35:31.000 Norman Borlaug, thank you.

00:35:32.000 Norman Borlaug.

00:35:33.000 Uh, you know, the reason that we have more people now, and we can eat, unlike what they predicted in the 70s, is because we innovated.

00:35:41.000 Because now there was a need for something that didn't need to exist before that.

00:35:46.000 So, yes, the more people you add to the world, The more complexity is added to the world, the more problems are added to the world, and the more potential solutions are added to the world.

00:35:55.000 For instance, colonized space, yes?

00:35:57.000 Yeah, and pestiolopsis.

00:35:58.000 There's a mushroom that'll break down plastic and turn it into sugar, which you can actually eat.

00:36:01.000 It's called pestiolopsis microspora.

00:36:04.000 And if enough people know about that, we can recover like what Boyan Slat's doing in the Pacific with the garbage patch.

00:36:08.000 He's actually recovering it.

00:36:09.000 Break it down and eat it.

00:36:10.000 You can alloy it with it.

00:36:11.000 You can turn it into chemicals and things.

00:36:12.000 Can I real quick point?

00:36:14.000 we did an interview with Ben Shapiro and Ian really shined in his moment because

00:36:19.000 Ben mentioned on a lecture that these these Charts and predictions about climate change never consider

00:36:25.000 mitigation factors to which Ian enlightened Ben on carbon capture graphene production

00:36:30.000 I've been adaptive technology that will eventually what you can do is you deposit carbon dioxide onto a palladium

00:36:35.000 copper alloy And then at at some point we're gonna be withdrawing so

00:36:39.000 much carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and producing graphene this new building material

00:36:42.000 that will actually be competing with trees. 0.73

00:36:44.000 And if we don't do it right and start now and start organizing, we're going to overcompensate and start starving the trees of carbon dioxide.

00:36:50.000 So we're going to eventually work together.

00:36:51.000 Ian's view of it is more of a global cooling perspective, because people don't consider the new technology that comes out that could actually threaten the inverse, which is Graphene is this wonder technology that Ian never shuts up about.

00:37:02.000 Thank you.

00:37:03.000 And, you know, I got him a little vial for Christmas the year before last.

00:37:07.000 But production requires carbon capture.

00:37:09.000 And that means we might start mining carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to make graphene, which is like a super material.

00:37:17.000 It can be manipulated in many ways.

00:37:20.000 It's like a superconductor.

00:37:21.000 Supercapacitor.

00:37:22.000 It's like a touchscreen wallpaper you can make out of.

00:37:22.000 It's a conductor.

00:37:24.000 You can make clothing that's like a touchscreen computer.

00:37:27.000 Batteries, wires.

00:37:29.000 It sounds like hell.

00:37:30.000 I don't want to wear that at all.

00:37:31.000 It's pure carbon.

00:37:32.000 It's pure carbon.

00:37:33.000 It's organic.

00:37:34.000 In ten years, the conversation on climate change may be totally inverted to, these graphene companies are cooling the planet!

00:37:42.000 Well, we've seen it before, because the narrative was initially that the planet was cooling, and then it was that the planet was getting hotter, and then it's just that we have climate change, and so it can go in either direction.

00:37:53.000 Didn't they tell people to drive their cars as much as they could back in the day, like in the 70s?

00:37:56.000 You know what they'll say now, too, the libs and the alarmists will say, oh, the global cooling thing, that was just a brief media phenomenon.

00:38:03.000 No scientific institutes ever really pushed that.

00:38:06.000 I have half a chapter of my book just devoted to outlining every major scientific institute that was pushing this stuff.

00:38:13.000 They pushed it for years, and now they've completely memory-hulled it because it's inconvenient.

00:38:17.000 So of course it's going to happen again, of course they're going to go on the other Conservatives love post-apocalyptic stories like we love The Walking Dead, and I say we because I count myself among the people who loves things like The Walking Dead, but the truth is my worldview informs me that it isn't possible.

00:38:34.000 Not only that the zombie aspect of the zombie apocalypse isn't possible, but the entire idea of the complete collapse of human civilization is impossible.

00:38:42.000 Because we are humans and we innovate because if there really was a zombie apocalypse

00:38:47.000 I would be the god-king of zombie extermination and I would be looking up to Elon Musk who would be killing trillions

00:38:53.000 of zombies somehow Like we we are a highly highly adaptive species and when a

00:38:58.000 need presents itself We find ways to meet that need Elon did make a flamethrower.

00:39:04.000 I Love it

00:39:05.000 Maybe he knows something we don't about melting zombies.

00:39:08.000 I discovered that that same flamethrower is terrific for melting Harry's and Gillette razors.

00:39:14.000 Was that the Elon flamethrower?

00:39:15.000 It was.

00:39:16.000 Of course Jeremy Boring was going to use the boring flamethrower in his video.

00:39:21.000 Yeah, so I, look, you know, my view on climate change is I have no problem when, you know, the establishment or mainstream narrative is that we're burning lots of fuels, it's resulting in a lot of carbon, it's warming the planet.

00:39:33.000 I say, okay, all of that follows as far as I can tell with logic, but I think Ben is right about mitigation factors.

00:39:39.000 And also, if you want to talk more about the heating up of the planet, it looks like there's evidence that we're still in an ice age, and that what happened 13,000 years ago was a comet shattered over North America and peppered the glacial continent, caused a global flood.

00:39:50.000 But we're still in the ice age, we just prematurely melted a bunch of the ice off.

00:39:54.000 So we're going to continue to melt the rest of the ice and warm.

00:39:57.000 Oh, that sounds terrible.

00:39:58.000 I want things to get polar.

00:39:59.000 I think it's interesting because when people talk about overpopulation, it's almost as if at the societal level, what we are in the West is that unbelievably wealthy couple with no children and who happen to be debating whether or not they can afford one.

00:40:13.000 It's just an unbelievable failure of optimism, ultimately.

00:40:19.000 It's funny, I was at a bar after I graduated college with my father and he was going around asking young people, are you optimistic?

00:40:26.000 And they would all answer yes.

00:40:28.000 And he'd say, do you want to have children?

00:40:30.000 Oh no, I couldn't have children.

00:40:31.000 I couldn't have kids.

00:40:32.000 And that stuck with me because people like to conceive of themselves as optimistic.

00:40:36.000 They like to say, I have an imagination, but then they're not interested in investing in the future that way.

00:40:41.000 And not only that, but they will actually, because it's okay, you know, if you're not married, if you're not in that position yet, but they will shame other people for having children and being optimistic and wanting to bring life into the world.

00:40:51.000 And that's a very ugly thing.

00:40:52.000 So my question is, If, you know, Elon Musk is the one guy on the other side of this, what's the motivation of people like... If Bill Gates is wrong, if all of these billionaires are wrong, why do they want less people?

00:41:03.000 You know, there was a great comment that Charlie Kirk made the other day, and everyone made fun of him for it, and it was so smart.

00:41:09.000 He said that tall buildings turn people into libs, and Media Matters made fun of him, and he said we need to develop horizontally more than we develop vertically.

00:41:21.000 And everyone made fun of him, except he's completely right.

00:41:24.000 Going back to the Tower of Babel into the present, there was a line that Chesterton observed.

00:41:28.000 He said, When you're in the heights of a building, of a really tall building, people look like insects.

00:41:35.000 Everything seems really, really small.

00:41:38.000 When you're down in the valleys looking up at great things, when you're on your knees praying, looking up, only then can you raise your eyes to heaven.

00:41:46.000 Only then can you raise your eyes to hope.

00:41:47.000 But when you're at the top of that building, you just feel like God and you're gonna act like God or what you think God is. 0.91

00:41:54.000 I think that's what happened to Gates and to all these other lunatics who are so anti-human.

00:41:59.000 Well, and it's funny because the left has this hyper-fixation on media critique, and I think it's good to critique media, but they'll take the most insignificant elements of a property and argue that it's influencing human behaviors in ways far more profound than I think a reasonable person would acknowledge.

00:42:15.000 But then when you look at architecture, which surrounds us at all times, they act as if it's ridiculous to even insinuate more beautiful architecture creates a more beautiful culture or results in better attitudes.

00:42:25.000 I hear what you're saying, Michael, but I guess my question would still be, even if they think they're God, why less people?

00:42:32.000 I mean, certainly if you were God, you'd want more.

00:42:34.000 Because they actually do see people as an impediment to nature, and they see nature as being supreme.

00:42:41.000 So you'll actually read these people say things like, Elon Musk is gonna go to Mars and he'll just pollute it the way we polluted the Earth.

00:42:48.000 With people.

00:42:50.000 Who cares?

00:42:52.000 He's gonna go mine an asteroid, the beautiful, natural, pristine asteroid, that the asteroid has zero value if there are no people observing it.

00:43:00.000 How dare you say that people, you're saying that people are supreme!

00:43:03.000 I'm actually saying that God is supreme, and that God made people, and yes, people are supreme today.

00:43:07.000 Real quick, real quick, just because I don't want to lose this point, have you guys ever seen or read Watchmen?

00:43:12.000 I've seen it, but I've not read it.

00:43:12.000 Watchmen.

00:43:16.000 Was it a movie a long time ago?

00:43:18.000 About ten years ago.

00:43:20.000 The graphic novel is considered the better form, but there's an element to the story where Dr. Manhattan, who is the one being with godlike powers, but he's like, I am not a god, I can only see my own past and future.

00:43:32.000 He leaves Earth to go to Mars.

00:43:34.000 He's tired of humanity.

00:43:36.000 And he makes this big machine, clock-like.

00:43:39.000 And then there's this young woman he was previously in a relationship with who wants to talk to him.

00:43:43.000 He brings her to Mars and he says, look at Mars, it has existed this way for eons with not a

00:43:49.000 single human or life.

00:43:50.000 Would you say to me that this planet would somehow be better with a shopping mall or parking lots?

00:43:54.000 And then, ultimately what it concludes with is, he says to her,

00:43:59.000 you continually demand I see the world your way, but you refuse to see the world my way.

00:44:05.000 And so she lets him, using his powers, see her entire life, you know, basically from start to finish, the way he sees the world.

00:44:12.000 But in that moment, he sees her past.

00:44:14.000 And in her past, this woman's mother was almost raped by a man. 0.90

00:44:20.000 And then she went back to him later and conceived this daughter.

00:44:24.000 And Dr. Manhattan says, seemingly impossible.

00:44:27.000 A woman who had every reason to hate this man chose to love a man she should have hated.

00:44:30.000 And after all the billions of years and the energy all coming together, the only thing that exists is you.

00:44:35.000 I was wrong.

00:44:37.000 Miracles do exist.

00:44:38.000 It's you.

00:44:39.000 You've convinced me I'll come back to Earth with you.

00:44:41.000 And so, thinking about that line, brilliant writing.

00:44:44.000 Who was that?

00:44:45.000 Alan Moore who wrote that.

00:44:45.000 Alan Moore.

00:44:47.000 Man, that guy's amazing.

00:44:48.000 But I thought about that and I'm just like, humanity is, each individual human is so insanely unique in the billions of years it took to create one person.

00:44:57.000 That person will never exist again, no matter how similar or, you know, they may be to another person.

00:45:02.000 Without people, it's a rock.

00:45:04.000 That's right.

00:45:05.000 Well, I actually beg to differ.

00:45:06.000 This is something called the Blood Falls in Antarctica, and you'll want to pull this up.

00:45:10.000 As the glaciers have been melting and fresh water is pouring into the ocean, we're like, oh, it's going to create dead zones.

00:45:16.000 All of a sudden, this blood red water river comes pouring out of Antarctica.

00:45:20.000 No one knows what it is.

00:45:21.000 So it turns out it's iron.

00:45:22.000 Yeah, it's ferrous algae.

00:45:23.000 What it's doing is it's Uh, called, it's fertilizing the ocean.

00:45:26.000 It's something called iron fertilization.

00:45:28.000 When you introduce iron, iron oxide into the ocean, it grows plankton, which then allows food for fish.

00:45:33.000 And then you see a fish boom.

00:45:34.000 So the earth looks like it's preparing for us a flood, a freshwater flood by fertilizing ahead of time.

00:45:40.000 We're not alone here as humans.

00:45:43.000 No, but, but we're the only thing of value here.

00:45:48.000 The fish don't matter without us.

00:45:50.000 That's correct.

00:45:51.000 But we can't eat without the fish.

00:45:54.000 Of course, we exist in nature, of course.

00:45:57.000 We're symbiotic in a sense with nature.

00:46:01.000 But nature was given to us by God.

00:46:03.000 The fish has no concept of the fishes.

00:46:07.000 There's no existential crisis for a fish.

00:46:10.000 Anything that we think about a fish, only we think.

00:46:13.000 The fish doesn't think it.

00:46:14.000 But the fear is that if the ocean were to flood freshwater, we'll lose our fish population and starve.

00:46:19.000 And it looks like the Earth is protecting us.

00:46:22.000 But that doesn't change Jeremy or Michael's perspective.

00:46:26.000 I would view it sort of from a more secular perspective.

00:46:28.000 You know, you can say we're gifted in nature by God.

00:46:30.000 I would look at it like...

00:46:31.000 The various forms of life effectively form a foundation for what humanity is creating.

00:46:37.000 That doesn't mean to say that I think humans are the superior, in this context, better than any other form of life, just that we're the most adaptable and smartest and more prone to survival, which from a secular perspective, the strongest survive and everything else functions as sort of support.

00:46:51.000 Even from a secular perspective, you'd have to say we're the only being on the planet that has a moral code of any kind.

00:46:57.000 So, in some sense, you could say, well, we're the most evil because we violate our moral code, and that's true.

00:47:02.000 A lion eating a gazelle isn't evil, it's just a lion.

00:47:05.000 So we both conceive of the concept of good and of the concept of evil.

00:47:09.000 All of that lives in humanity.

00:47:11.000 I wonder, do we see animals prey after they kill prey?

00:47:17.000 Prey, P-R-A-Y or P-R-E-Y? 0.98

00:47:19.000 Humans often... Prey before a meal.

00:47:22.000 Well, they'll pray before a meal, but it also stems back to after killing, giving thanks to what they have taken away.

00:47:29.000 A sort of acknowledging that they're receiving something else's life.

00:47:35.000 I mean, maybe there's a case I haven't heard of, of animals recognizing the suffering and the pain of some other animal that they have claimed their energy to themselves.

00:47:44.000 I just look at it this way.

00:47:46.000 For the entirety of life on the planet, you have this constant battle between evolution, or whatever your view is.

00:47:54.000 If a lion is trying to chase a gazelle, and it's too slow, it stars.

00:47:58.000 The gazelle becomes faster, so only the fastest lions make it.

00:48:02.000 And that's natural selection.

00:48:04.000 But then humans come along, and all of a sudden have a new ability, adaptation, through intelligence, through toolmaking.

00:48:10.000 And now nothing can compete with us.

00:48:12.000 This means that of everything on the planet, we are the ones able to leave the planet.

00:48:17.000 We are in complete control of the planet.

00:48:19.000 We have dominated the planet in every way, and it's not a moral judgment on the value of life at all.

00:48:25.000 It's just a mathematical equation.

00:48:27.000 Well, and it's a great responsibility, too, because if we abuse our stewardship of the planet and of all the creatures, Then that's, I think, intrinsically wrong, and that would also be very bad for us.

00:48:37.000 So it entails a lot of responsibility.

00:48:39.000 But to this point here of, really, humans are kind of what it's all about on Earth, we don't prosecute the lion when the lion eats the gazelle.

00:48:47.000 It would be absurd to do that, and that's why they're not open to this transcendent moral order.

00:48:54.000 If someone owned a gazelle and a lion jumped in and ate the gazelle and then fled, would we go after that lion, track it down, and kill it?

00:48:54.000 Different question.

00:49:03.000 Probably, if he were gonna come back and eat another one.

00:49:06.000 I don't think so.

00:49:07.000 I actually think that if someone had a ranch in, you know, the Savannah, and they had gazelle and a lion broke in, ate the gazelle and left, they'd be like... I'd go kill that lion. 0.83

00:49:16.000 If I had other gazelles. 1.00

00:49:18.000 Knowles has a very angry, wicked soul.

00:49:19.000 Yeah.

00:49:20.000 When you look at ranchers, for example, in Montana, who have a problem where, you know, wolves, you know, who've been reintroduced in the population, start eating their livestock, They have to defend their livestock.

00:49:34.000 They defend their livestock because of the word live.

00:49:38.000 The more important life isn't the life of the stock, it's the life of the stockholder.

00:49:42.000 So they're defending themselves.

00:49:43.000 We get mad when Westerners go over and kill lions in Africa, but the local tribes are pretty happy about it because they have to live with those lions. 0.75

00:49:53.000 My question is, do we hunt down those wolves, or do we create preventative measures, or do we seek retribution?

00:50:01.000 Right, I'm not trying to get vengeance on the wolf, but I am trying to solve the problem.

00:50:08.000 Well, the reason I bring this up is because in the instance where a human kills a human, we hunt that person to the ends of the earth to lock them up or, in many circumstances, depending on the severity of the crime, put them to death.

00:50:18.000 I'm not convinced we do that to the same degree with animals.

00:50:22.000 I would kill the last panda bear on Earth to save the most reprehensible human on Earth, even though there are 7 billion other humans on Earth.

00:50:31.000 That's a great point. 0.99

00:50:32.000 Why?

00:50:33.000 Because the life of any human is superior to the life of the entire species of panda.

00:50:38.000 Now, does that mean that I don't think we have a moral obligation to be good stewards of the Earth, or that I think we don't have a moral obligation to look after the panda?

00:50:45.000 I'm not heartless.

00:50:46.000 I'm not Matt Walsh.

00:50:47.000 I don't mean the panda harm.

00:50:50.000 But I am saying that, you know, Dennis Prager has been asking this question literally for 30 years now.

00:50:55.000 Every year, he asks, if your pet dog were drowning, In the same river current where a total stranger is drowning, which one would you save?

00:51:07.000 And he says, 30 years ago, everyone said the stranger.

00:51:11.000 And today, the majority of everyone says their pet dog.

00:51:14.000 That's a great question.

00:51:16.000 Is that good or is it mental illness?

00:51:18.000 It's not good.

00:51:19.000 Would they save their painting, their wealthy painting, or their foreigner they don't know? 0.99

00:51:23.000 This is interesting because I actually tweeted something.

00:51:25.000 Let me see if I can pull it up so I can pull up the results.

00:51:27.000 Oh yeah, that poll.

00:51:28.000 Yeah, because I was thinking about something similar.

00:51:30.000 Let me see if Twitter... Okay, yeah, definitely Twitter can pull this up.

00:51:34.000 Let me get this poll for you guys.

00:51:36.000 It's an interesting question.

00:51:37.000 In line with this, I am scrolling down, and here we go. 0.97

00:51:41.000 Would you kill someone to stop them from killing your pet?

00:51:43.000 77.4% said yes, 22.6% said no.

00:51:48.000 I would, but I don't think that these are related.

00:51:51.000 They're not unrelated questions, but they're not the same question.

00:51:56.000 Killing a human to stop them from committing a barbarous act against you, as a proxy, your pet is a proxy for you in that situation, is different.

00:52:06.000 Would I kill someone who was starving to keep them from killing and eating my cow? 0.97

00:52:11.000 No. 0.99

00:52:12.000 Would I kill the intruder who breaks into my home and as an act of evil is going to kill my dog? 0.98

00:52:18.000 He has forfeited, in my view, he has forfeited his life because of his act of evil. 0.99

00:52:18.000 Yes. 0.99

00:52:27.000 Not because the life of a pet is superior to the life of a man.

00:52:31.000 That's a distinct question.

00:52:35.000 I agree too, and I think the instance here with this question also implies that, you know, my view of this question is not that you're like, I want to kill this person, it's they're seeking to cause harm to me, my life, perhaps your pet is more than, maybe it's your dog you need for your farm.

00:52:50.000 The point is, it's not that you want to kill the person.

00:52:53.000 It's that you're put in a situation where they're attacking you.

00:52:53.000 No.

00:52:56.000 And it's that people exist in a moral framework that animals don't, and he is in violation of the moral framework.

00:53:01.000 This is, I think, an incredibly important question generally about human beings, is at what point is someone outside of the law, right?

00:53:10.000 That's what outlaw actually meant historically, that you're no longer subject to the protection of the law, you've forfeited the protections of law because you've acted in contravention of them.

00:53:20.000 But again, if someone broke into my house and my house caught fire, and I had to make a distinction a decision of

00:53:25.000 who will I go in and save The man who was committing a bad act or my dog

00:53:31.000 I would have an obligation probably to save the man But if the same man were trying to kill my dog, I would

00:53:35.000 have the right to kill the man Yeah, well, this is just real quick is to say that it's a

00:53:39.000 fascinating point because I Hope everybody really thinks down deep about the love they

00:53:44.000 have for their pet their dog their cat turtle, whatever And then imagine seeing a stranger in a current screaming for help and you being like, I ain't saving that person.

00:53:53.000 I want to save my pet.

00:53:54.000 Of course.

00:53:55.000 I think of that question and I'm like, wow.

00:53:57.000 You know, I'm thinking of my pet, you know, our cat Bocas.

00:54:00.000 Everybody loves him.

00:54:01.000 And if I saw Bocas frantic in the water and I saw someone I didn't know, I'd go for the person. 0.81

00:54:07.000 And then I would be tearing at my heart that my pet died.

00:54:10.000 Yes. Yeah.

00:54:11.000 Yeah, but Jeremy is correct when he says it is not the same question.

00:54:13.000 I answered that yes I would because someone who is willing to kill a small, in my instance it is a cat who loves me very much like a dog, if someone were willing to kill an animal then you have to ask what else are they willing to do?

00:54:25.000 Which would inevitably, I would think, extend to humans, which is something that I think would be better without, the world would be better without.

00:54:32.000 But again, too, I think the main issue and the nuance of the question is Typically, in any circumstance of defense, you don't want to kill someone.

00:54:40.000 You want to stop them.

00:54:41.000 By the way, I would also kill my dog, whom I love very much, if he were attacking a child who I didn't know.

00:54:47.000 Yeah, so I want to make this point, and that's part of the difficulty with the framing, is just sort of the nuance of self-defense. 0.96

00:54:52.000 Self-defense isn't about saying, I want to kill this person, or I have a right to kill this person.

00:54:55.000 It's saying, I have a right to stop this person if deadly force is necessary, and they die.

00:55:00.000 That's unfortunate, but it's an unintended consequence.

00:55:02.000 What if there's like a thousand people that are dying of starvation that redirect your water supply because they need to survive? 0.99

00:55:08.000 Do you go kill them? 0.99

00:55:10.000 No. 1.00

00:55:10.000 Do you just die? 1.00

00:55:12.000 Well, do I die? 0.99

00:55:13.000 Yeah.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, what would you do?

00:55:15.000 The question is, am I dependent on the water supply as well?

00:55:19.000 Oh, yeah, I'm taking my water supply.

00:55:19.000 Yes.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, well, if it's what's required to support yourself and your family, then it's different.

00:55:24.000 Even if they don't know who you are, and as far as they're concerned, they're just innocently redirecting water?

00:55:29.000 I'd probably just take the water back.

00:55:30.000 We're taking it to an extreme and saying, were there other options?

00:55:33.000 Were there diplomatic options for resolving the question?

00:55:35.000 Yeah, clarifying if there's no malice involved.

00:55:37.000 They're just doing what they need to do to survive.

00:55:39.000 Like you said, stealing the cow, killing your cow to eat it.

00:55:41.000 Well, but Ian, it's simple.

00:55:42.000 You just go and explain to them, then.

00:55:44.000 There's no malice.

00:55:44.000 You say, I'm really sorry, but this is the water that I need to survive, and you're hurting me.

00:55:48.000 And then if they choose to escalate and aggress upon you, then you've got a situation.

00:55:52.000 What if they just say no? 0.97

00:55:54.000 Now they're killing you.

00:55:55.000 So this is actually very interesting.

00:55:56.000 In almost all modern sci-fi, If humans go to another planet- Earth dies, the last spaceship full of humans goes out into outer space, we land on a planet, and we bring some sort of disease or something to the planet, and now there's a battle between us and the native people on the planet.

00:56:14.000 The morality of every modern piece of fiction says, in the end, we have to lose.

00:56:19.000 We have to lay down our lives because we didn't belong here, this wasn't our place.

00:56:22.000 But that's actually not the correct moral answer.

00:56:24.000 The correct moral answer is, if I take my family to another planet, and I'm an existential threat to the people of that planet, they're an existential threat to me.

00:56:32.000 I have a right to defend my life and the life of my family.

00:56:35.000 I am not asked to subordinate that impulse, not only impulse, but that right, simply because my existence is a threat to somebody.

00:56:47.000 Well, plus they're aliens, right?

00:56:48.000 I mean this only half.

00:56:50.000 Flippantly?

00:56:50.000 They're aliens.

00:56:51.000 Slaughter the aliens. 1.00

00:56:52.000 I don't give a damn. 1.00

00:56:52.000 They're foreigners. 1.00

00:56:53.000 Right?

00:56:53.000 I mean, if we're talking about, you know, really then we're talking about questions of colonialism, and it's the same answer today.

00:56:59.000 The explorers, the conquistadors, you know, they were terrible, awful people.

00:57:03.000 Cortes should have lost.

00:57:05.000 And it's an important example, because Cortes is one of the most incredible, great men to ever walk the earth, who took down a demonic empire called the Aztec Empire that slaughtered 80,000 people Women little babies children in the span of four days by

00:57:19.000 ripping they're still beating hearts out of their chest and kicking down a pyramid

00:57:23.000 so, you know the particulars matter there and you can actually judge the the

00:57:27.000 moral question on These the particular people in the particular time and what

00:57:32.000 they're doing. Why do you think Jesus didn't rouse his followers to fight back?

00:57:36.000 Well, he does say at one point. He says sell your cloak and go purchase a sword

00:57:42.000 We've discussed this on the show before.

00:57:44.000 Do you think it's just propaganda that he never really let himself get caught and killed?

00:57:47.000 No, that Jesus isn't, Jesus is not a political figure.

00:57:51.000 He's almost the only figure in human history who didn't, who isn't political in the sense that the work that he was here to do Well, he's the king.

00:57:59.000 I mean, he's the king.

00:58:00.000 At the time, he challenged the political power structure of the time.

00:58:00.000 King of kings.

00:58:04.000 But he was primarily challenging the authority of man over the soul and the authority of death over man.

00:58:16.000 The battle that Christ was here to fight was a battle against sin and death.

00:58:20.000 Well, that's a great point, Jeremy, because actually, that is, in this ultimate sense, the political battle, because the only political power that anyone has is the fear of death, and Christ conquers it on the cross.

00:58:32.000 Is there anything you would sacrifice yourself for, or your family for, if God called it, or whatever?

00:58:36.000 For Christ.

00:58:38.000 Well, and not only for Christ.

00:58:42.000 It's very easy to imagine a world where you are called into conflict, called into combat.

00:58:46.000 Many in our generation were.

00:58:48.000 They laid down their lives for their ideals, for their family, for their country.

00:58:52.000 There is a noble place for all of that.

00:58:55.000 It doesn't, though, mean that you have an obligation not to defend yourself.

00:58:59.000 I would go so far as to say those Aztec, who were horrible, evil, demonic, I'll grant you all of that language, they also had a right to defend themselves against Cortes.

00:59:07.000 So in an ultimate moral sense, I agree that Cortez was in the more moral position.

00:59:11.000 They should have just laid down their arms.

00:59:13.000 But yes.

00:59:14.000 Let me expand upon this conversation.

00:59:18.000 If there was a rapid and your wife was caught in it, but, you know, equally distant was a child, who would you save?

00:59:28.000 It's not my child.

00:59:30.000 Not your child.

00:59:31.000 My wife.

00:59:32.000 No, I would save the child.

00:59:32.000 Would you agree?

00:59:34.000 Interesting.

00:59:35.000 I'm not bringing it up because I think there's an answer.

00:59:37.000 I'm just curious.

00:59:38.000 It's an impossible question.

00:59:39.000 I had this debate with my aunt when I was a young man.

00:59:45.000 I said, if your husband and one of your children were drowning, which would you save?

00:59:48.000 And she said her husband.

00:59:51.000 I was somewhat outraged at the time, but now I realize it's just an impossible question.

00:59:55.000 Just the point real quick is when Ian asked, what would you sacrifice your family for, you would sacrifice your family to save the life of a child, or a member of your family.

01:00:02.000 I also, I don't know, you don't know what would happen in a situation, but I have mentally attempted to prepare myself to lay down my life for a stranger.

01:00:10.000 Like if I were in a 7-11 and someone came in and started robbing people, would I put myself between the gun and an old woman who I don't know? 0.99

01:00:18.000 Or a young woman whom I don't know.

01:00:20.000 I don't know, I don't want to claim virtue that I don't possess, but I've tried mentally to prepare myself for the fact that it would be my, I believe, moral obligation to lay down my life for a stranger.

01:00:31.000 What concerns me is that some people, and this is maybe... This is an interesting thing for me to say, but that some people are evil, and some people are good, and some people are... If you would sacrifice your good wife for some evil child that you don't know, it turns out... We're all evil, aren't we?

01:00:43.000 Well, first of all... Evil child.

01:00:46.000 No, no, no, you continue.

01:00:47.000 I just wanted to mention... Cute, adorable little demon. 0.99

01:00:50.000 I think a part of the difference between the answers is that Knowles' wife told him she's gonna be watching a show tonight.

01:00:56.000 Of course!

01:00:57.000 I would say, my wife, honey.

01:00:58.000 There's a great sketch in this scenario of a guy being like, I'm sorry, honey, I have to save the child.

01:01:03.000 And then when he pulls the kid out, you don't see the kid's face.

01:01:06.000 But then when he puts the kid down, it's got a Hitler haircut and a mustache. 0.75

01:01:09.000 He's like, what have I done?

01:01:11.000 The reason I ask is because are some people better than others?

01:01:14.000 Are some people more valuable to the species?

01:01:15.000 I do believe that that's true.

01:01:17.000 And for whatever reason, maybe the other person's toxic.

01:01:18.000 Maybe they've eaten toxic foods.

01:01:20.000 Maybe they were raised poorly.

01:01:22.000 But if you don't know ahead of time, Yeah.

01:01:24.000 In a triage situation, right, the example we keep using is this acute emergency.

01:01:30.000 There are two people in the rapids, in the current drowning.

01:01:33.000 You're not in a position in that situation to make a moral determination between the individual and the other individual.

01:01:39.000 You're making fairly broad distinctions.

01:01:41.000 Don't you think though that you have a as a head of household as a husband that you your primary responsibility

01:01:47.000 in that situation even if you would lay down your life for the stranger I I like to think that I would at least that

01:01:52.000 you have a responsibility of loyalty and as the head of your household to go for the wife before the stranger even 0.94

01:01:58.000 if it's a little baby Hitler and and and arguably to well arguably to with your wife you can have more children. 0.83

01:02:03.000 So that's it's tough question.

01:02:06.000 Yeah again it's an impossible question.

01:02:09.000 I'm interested in what Michael saying that you certainly as a husband as a head of a house you have an obligation a

01:02:14.000 moral and spiritual obligation to your wife.

01:02:18.000 At the same time, I believe that my wife would want me, would want to sacrifice her life for the child as well.

01:02:23.000 Yeah.

01:02:24.000 Not Elisa. 1.00

01:02:24.000 She's a killer. 1.00

01:02:25.000 She'd kill the kid herself. 1.00

01:02:26.000 All right. 1.00

01:02:27.000 All right.

01:02:28.000 Right.

01:02:28.000 Hear me out on this.

01:02:29.000 You're standing in front of a rapid and there's your son being swept away.

01:02:34.000 And equally distant is a dog.

01:02:37.000 But, it's got a bag strapped to it that says, cure for cancer on it.

01:02:42.000 Well, how do I know some pretentious dog owner didn't just put that there so that we would want to save their kid?

01:02:42.000 Now!

01:02:47.000 You know, it's so weird that we're having this conversation right now, because I was asked this question at Yale about three days ago.

01:02:53.000 A kid walks up and he says, to end world hunger, would you fillate another man?

01:03:01.000 It's me and Senator Cruz is there, too.

01:03:03.000 You're both like, yes, without question.

01:03:05.000 Yeah, obviously.

01:03:06.000 Where do I sign up?

01:03:08.000 But I had an answer right away.

01:03:09.000 I mean, obviously the kid was just trying to get some laughs, but it actually is a simple question.

01:03:14.000 It gets down to a basic ethical question, which is, do good ends justify immoral means?

01:03:19.000 And then apparently the Yalies were confused that I thought that particular act was immoral. 0.97

01:03:22.000 We'll get to that later, maybe.

01:03:25.000 I'm like, why?

01:03:26.000 But it's a really basic question in ethics, and the answer is no.

01:03:30.000 Good ends do not justify immoral means.

01:03:33.000 Then you can justify anything.

01:03:35.000 And probably the premise in all of these cases is absurd and won't pan out that way.

01:03:39.000 So if it's, do I save the human person, or the dog, that maybe the dog will magically lead me to cure cancer, you always have to pick the human, even if the dog actually will lead you to cure cancer.

01:03:52.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

01:03:53.000 I suppose if you knew, you're the scientist, you've been part of the team, you have the cure for cancer, you put it in the bag so the dog could guard it, somehow both things are now in the river, that in that situation you've taken ambiguity out.

01:04:08.000 You're not saving the dog, you're saving the cure to cancer.

01:04:11.000 In other words, you're allowing the person you love to die because of a belief about the lives of thousands or millions of humans.

01:04:19.000 That is a different That's a different moral.

01:04:21.000 You think ideas or technologies are more valuable than human life?

01:04:23.000 I want to address what you said. Choosing to save one or the other are both moral acts.

01:04:27.000 It's just a difficult one. In your analogy, you have a choice between an immoral act for

01:04:33.000 a positive end. You know what I mean? I suppose so, except I don't know.

01:04:38.000 I mean, in the act itself, so not merely, you're not saying the act here is, I am going to cure cancer, but, you know, and obviously we're in a slightly absurd scenario, but if you're saying, I'm saving the dog that does have this real 100% cure for cancer, or you're saving the child, I'm not convinced that those acts are of equal moral weight.

01:04:58.000 I think you'd still go for the child.

01:04:59.000 I also agree, I agree a whole lot.

01:05:00.000 I don't think you're saving the dog.

01:05:02.000 You're saying you're saving information?

01:05:04.000 No, no, no.

01:05:06.000 I want to clarify.

01:05:08.000 Let me clarify.

01:05:10.000 What I'm saying is, if you were just to save a dog or save a person,

01:05:12.000 they're both moral acts. They're not equal.

01:05:14.000 The human, obviously, should be saved. 0.96

01:05:16.000 But, if it was like, kill the dog to cure cancer or save a child,

01:05:20.000 it's like, well, don't take the immoral act of killing the animal.

01:05:22.000 Right?

01:05:23.000 But then, to take it even further, then we're really saying, okay, would you save your child or a million people who aren't your child, right?

01:05:31.000 That's what you're saying.

01:05:31.000 When you say you're gonna cure cancer, you're saying a million strangers or your child.

01:05:35.000 And in that case, I think it comes back to the same rule that I had.

01:05:39.000 Although, God chose the million people.

01:05:42.000 What do you mean?

01:05:45.000 God allowed his child to die for the salvation of many.

01:05:50.000 To quote a great man, better that one man should die for the nation.

01:05:53.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:05:54.000 It's actually a very good point, Jeremy, but I still don't think in that case, if I am the head of my household, am I supposed to sacrifice my son?

01:06:03.000 God stays Abraham's hand. 0.99

01:06:06.000 That sounds like a test of God if you found yourself in that situation.

01:06:10.000 I just, I have a hard time believing that you've all forgotten the economic motivation here to having the cure for cancer.

01:06:15.000 All right, all this, oh, I would save the dog because I care about humanity.

01:06:20.000 No, you want to sell the cure.

01:06:21.000 No, you're right.

01:06:22.000 And then clone your kid with all the money you make.

01:06:24.000 You're like, I've got enough money, I cured cancer.

01:06:26.000 You want to take the cure and say, I'll destroy it if Big Pharma writes me a check every year.

01:06:30.000 As a Richie Rich, let me just tell you that if I had the kind of money that came from curing cancer, I would probably just drown kids for sports.

01:06:39.000 It is Ecclesiastes, like, nothing can satisfy, nothing brings me joy.

01:06:44.000 No, I just drowned children.

01:06:45.000 Jeremy, you've been rich for four days.

01:06:47.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

01:06:48.000 The Markita side was right.

01:06:49.000 It seems like there is a utilitarian aspect to this because if you're willing to save information or technology and let people die as a result, then it's like, where does the line draw there?

01:06:49.000 I don't know.

01:07:01.000 How many people would you let die for the greatest technology?

01:07:05.000 So now we're kind of back at the first part.

01:07:07.000 And I think that's why Knowles is giving me the base principle here.

01:07:10.000 Because if you just reject utilitarianism and consequentialism and all that, then you're never confused.

01:07:16.000 What's a good number?

01:07:17.000 That's the meaning of life.

01:07:17.000 42?

01:07:17.000 Yeah, 42.

01:07:22.000 Wow, that's tough, man.

01:07:23.000 The ends don't justify the means.

01:07:24.000 I'll never accept that because there are no ends.

01:07:27.000 This is what we hear from Antifa and these lying media manipulator and cult members is that if we just be evil now, it will be good later.

01:07:36.000 But it's like, bro, it's always now.

01:07:38.000 It is always now.

01:07:40.000 I think that's idealistic in that working out, the ends do justify the pain of the workout.

01:07:45.000 No, but the pain of the workout is intrinsically good because it's strengthening.

01:07:49.000 And you're putting yourself through, often, strain.

01:07:53.000 You're causing yourself harm for a better end.

01:07:55.000 You're sacrificing for more.

01:07:57.000 We're talking about, would you take a drug to make yourself better?

01:08:01.000 Well, no, you're hurting yourself.

01:08:02.000 You're causing yourself problems.

01:08:03.000 it is it is the ultimate pagan offering is to is to offer the blood of the 0.89

01:08:09.000 innocent for prosperity right those Aztecs who pulled the still beating 1.00

01:08:14.000 hearts out of 80,000 women and children were essentially doing it so that the

01:08:17.000 crops would grow and when Planned Parenthood slaughters 60 million babies

01:08:22.000 in this country amen they're doing it so we can make a little bit more money oh

01:08:25.000 women are poor oh women aren't gonna be able to fry for themselves if they 1.00

01:08:28.000 murder their own children and spill their innocent blood they will be and so 1.00

01:08:32.000 I I ultimately think that anytime we ask these questions at the root we're

01:08:37.000 actually we're actually asking do we need to quench the thirst of Malik or

01:08:41.000 something yeah let me pull up the story we have on that note from the Daily Mail

01:08:46.000 Ron DeSantis signs law banning abortion after 15 weeks.

01:08:49.000 Republican says, we are here to defend those who can't defend themselves.

01:08:53.000 So we also have another bill here.

01:08:55.000 This is from, uh, oh, that's the wrong story.

01:08:57.000 Here we go.

01:08:58.000 Kentucky lawmakers override Governor Beshear's vetoes on abortion, fairness, and women's sports.

01:09:02.000 We're seeing across the country.

01:09:03.000 Many states are just saying outright Roe v. Wade is no longer relevant.

01:09:07.000 They're just passing the laws. I think Oklahoma made that bill which outright makes abortion a felony.

01:09:12.000 Well, but Colorado passed a law or Colorado's governor passed a law this week or proposed a law

01:09:16.000 that says abortion all the way up until the moment of birth which also

01:09:21.000 says that Roe v. Wade doesn't matter. Because Roe v. Wade disallowed

01:09:26.000 Yeah.

01:09:26.000 allows that very same concept.

01:09:28.000 So on both sides, at both political extremes, Roe v. Wade, because Roe v. Wade was a nonsensical

01:09:33.000 ruling in the first place, it can't actually play out consistently, so nobody does.

01:09:37.000 You want to break down Roe v. Wade for us?

01:09:38.000 I don't think we've ever actually got into the nitty-gritty.

01:09:40.000 Well, I don't have my magnifying glass to find the emanations of the penumbras that

01:09:44.000 of the penumbra that entails this constitutional right, but it's just a nonsense

01:09:46.000 entails this constitutional right, but it's just a nonsense decision that came out in

01:09:49.000 decision that came out in 1973 that said because of a vague generalized right to privacy and

01:09:54.000 the vague emanations of the penumbra, abortion's nowhere in the text.

01:09:58.000 And if it is anywhere in the text, it's in the 14th Amendment and it prohibits abortion,

01:10:02.000 but because we don't want to deal with it anymore, it created this fictional right to

01:10:06.000 an abortion, and ever since then the pro-life movement's only grown stronger.

01:10:10.000 You had it come back again in 1992 with Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which created a different

01:10:16.000 justification for abortion, because again, as Jeremy said, it's not in the text, and

01:10:20.000 so you come up with this new justification, which focuses more on the trimesters and viability,

01:10:26.000 and that doesn't make any sense because with new technology, babies are now viable at a

01:10:30.000 much earlier stage.

01:10:31.000 And so right now, just to put on my Nolstradamus hat and predict the future here, we do seem

01:10:38.000 to be at the first spot versus Wade where the court I think is likely to overrule Roe.

01:10:45.000 And the reason I think they're likely is because, from the oral arguments, 1.

01:10:50.000 You've already got Clarence Thomas.

01:10:51.000 You've already got Alito.

01:10:53.000 It seems like you got Kavanaugh.

01:10:54.000 It seems like you got Barrett.

01:10:56.000 It seems like you got Gorsuch.

01:10:57.000 There you go.

01:10:58.000 You don't even have John Roberts yet.

01:10:58.000 5-4.

01:11:00.000 If Roberts joins the court's libs, and it's 5-4, Clarence Thomas writes the decision.

01:11:05.000 And man, that decision is going to be good.

01:11:08.000 So I think Roberts, to preserve the integrity and legitimacy of the court, and actually to water down, as much as he can, the way that they would overrule Roe, I think he has to join the Conservatives.

01:11:18.000 So then you get a 6-3 decision.

01:11:20.000 This can't be right.

01:11:21.000 Bill Maher said that Republicans didn't want any black Supreme Court justices.

01:11:24.000 How could you, how could you touch the... It's like the only one we like is the black guy. 1.00

01:11:28.000 This concerns me. 0.93

01:11:28.000 I think if they do try to make abortion illegal that you're going to see a large uptick in miscarriages. 0.93

01:11:34.000 And what I mean by that is women accidentally falling over on purpose and landing on their stomachs until the baby's dead. 0.98

01:11:41.000 It's terrifying.

01:11:43.000 I just don't see... I don't think you can ever stop women from killing a child they don't want. 1.00

01:11:46.000 But you can reduce the number.

01:11:47.000 Yeah, and I don't think that's bad.

01:11:49.000 People are like, you want women going into back alleys and putting their lives at risk? 1.00

01:11:52.000 Yeah.

01:11:53.000 But, by the way, I want them to be at risk if they are killing their children.

01:11:58.000 Also, overturning Roe doesn't make abortion illegal.

01:12:00.000 This is the great lie of the left, is, oh, they're gonna overturn Roe, and no woman will be able to get an abortion, if only.

01:12:07.000 But that's not actually what will happen.

01:12:09.000 What happens when they overturn Roe is it basically becomes a states' rights issue again.

01:12:14.000 And as you can see, between the laws in Florida and the laws in Colorado, federalism is alive and well in this country.

01:12:20.000 Even 15 weeks puts you just on average with the most liberal democracies in Europe.

01:12:27.000 No one allows abortion the way that we allow it in this country. 0.75

01:12:30.000 No one except the Chinese and the North Koreans allows abortion.

01:12:34.000 Yeah, and the Canadians allows abortion the way that we do in this country. 0.76

01:12:34.000 And the Canadians. 0.76

01:12:37.000 So, to push it back to the states is an enormous victory.

01:12:40.000 In fact, the Democrats are saying right now that while they still control the House and the Senate and the presidency, they should ensconce abortion in federal law.

01:12:49.000 So that even if Roe is overturned by the court in June, you still won't be able to do anything about abortion.

01:12:54.000 Unfortunately, I don't think they have the votes in the Senate to accomplish that.

01:12:59.000 And on this point of the back alley abortions, this is one of the biggest lies from the abortion movement.

01:13:04.000 It's literally a lie.

01:13:05.000 It's a lie.

01:13:05.000 I mean, so one of the guys who came up with the lie, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, one of the founders of NARAL, he came out and he said 5,000 women a year, or at least some people say 20-30,000 women a year, died from back alley abortions before Roe.

01:13:17.000 He admitted they just made up the number.

01:13:19.000 We actually have the number.

01:13:20.000 The government kept the statistics.

01:13:22.000 In 1972, the year before Roe vs. Wade was decided, 39 women died from back alley abortions, illegal ones. 0.95

01:13:29.000 24 women died from legal abortions.

01:13:31.000 And what's even crazier is, when you look at the breakdown of states where abortion was legal versus illegal, your likelihood of dying in an abortion was basically the same, whether it was legal or illegal.

01:13:41.000 That was in the early 70s.

01:13:43.000 It would obviously be much lower now.

01:13:44.000 Yeah, so we actually did an educational breakdown of this on a Freedom Tunes video a couple years ago, but basically in the 1930s you had something like a bit over 2,000 women who had died and been counted statistically as deaths from abortions and miscarriages, but that number decreased significantly after the advent of the widespread availability of penicillin.

01:14:07.000 It was an issue of women not getting antibiotics. 1.00

01:14:10.000 Take a look at this comic.

01:14:12.000 I saw this recently.

01:14:13.000 I think I saw it earlier today on Twitter.

01:14:15.000 But can we pull that up?

01:14:16.000 There you go.

01:14:17.000 Red states to blue states.

01:14:19.000 The next refugees. 1.00

01:14:20.000 Women. 0.81

01:14:21.000 Women. 0.81

01:14:22.000 What they fail to ever bring up in this conversation is how many women are pro-life. 1.00

01:14:28.000 I believe the majority of pro-life people in the country are female.

01:14:32.000 And this is huge because the left never got the cultural shift that they wanted after

01:14:36.000 Roe v. Wade.

01:14:37.000 So as you mentioned, 60 million unborn children have died.

01:14:39.000 Of course, that's not enough for them.

01:14:41.000 They would rather that number was much higher.

01:14:43.000 And when you look at how long ago the Supreme Court made its decision on the question of

01:14:49.000 homosexuality, that was what, about 10 years ago? 0.66

01:14:52.000 And look where our culture is now.

01:14:54.000 I mean, we've taken that almost to its furthest extreme, but not quite yet.

01:14:58.000 It's very unpopular to say anything against gay marriage.

01:15:01.000 It seems a large population, a large percentage of the population believes in it.

01:15:05.000 But if you look at the abortion decision, what, this is 50 years ago, and still half of the population is adamantly against it.

01:15:11.000 I bring this up with New York.

01:15:14.000 They recognize 31 different genders, but by law they recognize any possible gender, and gender identity is defined as essentially self-expression.

01:15:22.000 So when the arguments first come for gender identity protections, everybody says, we know what this means and what the intent is.

01:15:31.000 There's a famous story about, um, when they outlawed public drinking in New York, that one of the, you know, city council members or whatever said, let this law never be construed to say a construction worker can't enjoy a beer with his lunch.

01:15:42.000 Sure enough.

01:15:43.000 That's exactly what it means today.

01:15:44.000 So in New York, when they say we want to protect trans people, we all say, we totally understand that we don't want people to be discriminated against.

01:15:50.000 And then what happens is the law is tested and someone will say, it says self-expression.

01:15:54.000 That's how you defined it.

01:15:55.000 I hereby challenge this and say, my self-expression is that I can wear a clown costume into work or, or a first You know, there's an abortion tie-in here, too.

01:16:04.000 One of the main drivers of transgenderism in the culture is that second abortion case, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, in which the romantic poet of the court, Anthony Kennedy, said that at the heart of liberty is the ability to define our own concept of existence, of the mystery of life.

01:16:22.000 Scalia mocked it as the sweet mystery of life passage.

01:16:26.000 I don't even have to say this.

01:16:28.000 You don't have the right to define your own concept of existence.

01:16:33.000 No one has that right.

01:16:35.000 You don't have the ability to do that either.

01:16:37.000 You have a responsibility to accept reality and live in reality.

01:16:40.000 But if Kennedy grants you that, well then it's just self-expression, right?

01:16:44.000 I disagree.

01:16:45.000 This is my trailer, my rules.

01:16:45.000 I disagree.

01:16:47.000 From now on, you will address me as God King.

01:16:49.000 Well, also... There can be only one.

01:16:52.000 Capital K. But in all seriousness, I mean, if you're extremely wealthy, you know, Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos can go to their company and say, from now on, you must address me as this, and I suppose if you're powerful enough, you can make people do what you want them to do.

01:17:03.000 I mean, that's where they go.

01:17:03.000 The Mad King, right?

01:17:04.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:17:05.000 It's also bizarre that, like, a legal scholar could determine that the law is about self-invention.

01:17:09.000 Isn't it the exact opposite?

01:17:10.000 It's about placing constraints on people?

01:17:12.000 You know, I think you can define reality the way you want, but you're subject to the consequences.

01:17:19.000 You can say that there's a rock right there and I can go hit the rock, but it's Tim, it turns out.

01:17:24.000 And I'm gonna suffer mad co- But I might still psychotically have defined it improperly.

01:17:28.000 That's still my right as a human being.

01:17:30.000 I know, this is my big problem with the whole conversation about It's awful!

01:17:34.000 Transhumanity at the moment, which is if a if a man says that he's a woman

01:17:39.000 He legally is a woman if a man says that he's a carrot and I eat him. They still put me in prison. It's awful

01:17:45.000 Discrimination a better example is the man who filed a challenge to his age and said if biology is

01:17:54.000 Self-identity that then I can identify as younger and they said no you can't do that

01:17:59.000 And I and so I've talked was talking talked about this before where I you know, I talked to several civil rights

01:18:04.000 attorneys in New York about the limits of this and they said that you did the

01:18:08.000 judiciary exists to interpret the law in If you tried to, say, pull a fast one or challenge to absurdity, they'll throw you out.

01:18:16.000 I completely reject that notion.

01:18:20.000 That you could be a biological male, 6'3", 220 pounds, you know, muscular, and identify as a woman, put on a dress, go to a court, and the judge is not allowed to mock you.

01:18:33.000 The judge must accept you under the law.

01:18:35.000 But if you put on a fursuit, Under the same exact provisions in the law, you are protected.

01:18:40.000 That the clothing you wear cannot be discriminated, the name you choose.

01:18:44.000 So, I am Volciferon, Herald of the Winter Mists.

01:18:47.000 This is my identity.

01:18:49.000 A judge can laugh at you then.

01:18:52.000 I understand there is a distinction.

01:18:54.000 The argument is that in modern culture, we recognize transgenderism as a legitimate issue, and we mock furries. 1.00

01:19:02.000 But I reject the premise because eventually what we see is people will test the limits of the law, and eventually, in one generation or two, a judge will say, it does say that!

01:19:11.000 Who am I to say no?

01:19:12.000 Test the limits of not only the law, but reason itself.

01:19:14.000 Like, I think of myself as a magnetic being, for instance.

01:19:17.000 Not everyone has to agree... I say that about you all the time.

01:19:19.000 Thank you, Michael.

01:19:20.000 You as well.

01:19:21.000 Not everyone has to agree with me on a daily basis, and if I stray too far from reality's observation of what I am, they're gonna think I'm a psychopath and put me in, like, a psych ward.

01:19:29.000 So you can self-identify however you want, but you cannot bend reality.

01:19:33.000 I don't know if there's an objective reality, but this is... But how do you do it, then, in practice?

01:19:36.000 Because this seems to be the middle ground that people try to find is, Look, I don't care how you self-identify in your own mind, but just don't make me participate in it.

01:19:45.000 But the whole point of identity is so that you can be identified.

01:19:50.000 We live in a society, we live in a political community.

01:19:53.000 How on earth can you, unless you're just doing it in your basement at night, yelling to nobody, how can you have that right to a delusional identity and not infringe on my right to reality?

01:20:04.000 Jesus Christ.

01:20:05.000 I believe he was a real man, and he truly believed that God was flowing through him, which it was, and people did not like it.

01:20:09.000 And he was like, well, I have a choice to make.

01:20:11.000 I can either denounce this and pretend like I'm not, or I can be honest and let reality do what it will with me.

01:20:17.000 And depending on how truly you believe it, you have to make that decision.

01:20:20.000 But yeah, but the premise there is Jesus is God.

01:20:23.000 Is God.

01:20:24.000 We were told.

01:20:25.000 I was told.

01:20:26.000 I don't know him, but I think he was.

01:20:29.000 Ian, that was a very Trump answer.

01:20:31.000 I was told that.

01:20:32.000 I was given that information.

01:20:35.000 A lot of people are talking about it.

01:20:37.000 I just want to make this point about, you know, this sort of self invention and coming up with your own identity.

01:20:42.000 My only question is, to even get to that place, how much time do you have to spend just thinking about yourself?

01:20:47.000 Isn't that already really obnoxious?

01:20:49.000 There are many people who, you know, I can't remember who told us this story that Someone in their class kept changing their identity.

01:20:55.000 They didn't know.

01:20:56.000 And one week, they're like, this is who I am.

01:20:57.000 Then a week later, they're like, no, my name's Owen.

01:20:58.000 Now, the next week, they're, no, it's Clyde.

01:21:00.000 And it's just like, if, if it's, if there's no identity, then it can be anything at any time.

01:21:06.000 And there's no legal definition.

01:21:07.000 There's no legal distinction.

01:21:10.000 Not to get too theological here, fellas, but isn't, look, teenagers do that all the time, right?

01:21:14.000 Teenagers, that's sort of the definition of being 13 years old as you try on new identities.

01:21:19.000 I'm goth now, I'm a rocker, whatever.

01:21:22.000 And it's because they're immature and juvenile and they're coming to some concept of who they are.

01:21:27.000 At the burning bush, God tells Moses, my name is I Am.

01:21:32.000 I Am that I Am.

01:21:35.000 That's a name. He's saying I am being itself. And your identity must be in me for you to make any

01:21:42.000 sense. I am the divine logic of the universe. I am being.

01:21:46.000 When you find your identity in I am, things make sense. When you ignore that and turn away from

01:21:55.000 I am at all times throughout every society in all of human history, things start to go pretty 0.88

01:22:00.000 kooky and you're left with a pathetic question which is, who am I? Changes by the day.

01:22:05.000 I want to go back to abortion real quick because I'm thinking about this here I am, you know surrounded by more religious individuals who are much more staunchly pro-life and And so be careful.

01:22:14.000 Right.

01:22:15.000 Well, I've always said I was pro-choice, and I think one of the issues is that when you actually break down the absolute nuance of the argument, well, then it's like, what does pro-choice and pro-life really mean?

01:22:26.000 And I think the pro-choice people typically do not understand, or there's not enough complexity in the argument.

01:22:31.000 So, for instance, we were talking with Matt Walsh.

01:22:33.000 He argued that abortion is the intentional act of killing a child.

01:22:37.000 And I'm like, right, I think that's wrong.

01:22:39.000 But I think there are circumstances where a medical procedure would be done that would remove a baby from a mother, and that's where the nuance comes in.

01:22:45.000 So ultimately the conclusion was, if you have to do something for the sake of the mother that would result in the child being removed, you just don't try to kill the child.

01:22:55.000 And I said, interesting.

01:22:56.000 I don't think the pro-choice left understands the right's position on that.

01:23:01.000 I think, first of all, there's a real problem with the left's argument on pro-choice in that it is a scientific fact that life begins at conception, and any argument otherwise is illogical.

01:23:12.000 It makes literally no sense.

01:23:14.000 If you want to get to an authoritarian-libertarian argument on medical choices for private individuals, that's where I'm kind of at.

01:23:20.000 But then the argument never actually addresses the true stance that you guys might have or that Matt Walsh brought up.

01:23:27.000 In that, oh yeah, absolutely do the procedure to save the mother's life and try and save the baby too.

01:23:31.000 And I'm like, well yeah, of course.

01:23:33.000 Oh, you're saying they shouldn't just kill the baby afterwards.

01:23:35.000 Well, I agree with that.

01:23:37.000 I don't think most pro-choice people understand that's what you're saying. 0.98

01:23:40.000 I don't think they understand much of anything about pro-life and I'm not saying that to be a jerk. 0.95

01:23:44.000 I was pro-abortion for 10 years in my teenage years. 0.98

01:23:48.000 Pro-abortion?

01:23:48.000 This was during his goth phase.

01:23:50.000 It was during my goth rocker phase.

01:23:52.000 Pro-choice.

01:23:52.000 Pro-Aztec.

01:23:53.000 I guess I would have said pro-choice, but I grew up in New York, surrounded by liberals.

01:23:57.000 I went to a very liberal college, and I just thought conservatives wanted to control women's bodies. 0.53

01:24:03.000 That's all I knew, and so I thought, I'll cut taxes, but I don't want to pro-life.

01:24:07.000 You used to be cool, man.

01:24:08.000 What happened?

01:24:09.000 Man, I was smoking doobies and stuff.

01:24:11.000 I was like Elon Musk.

01:24:13.000 Were you like Elon Musk?

01:24:15.000 Yeah, well, hold on.

01:24:16.000 Some like Elon Musk. 0.95

01:24:17.000 And then I had a conversation with a woman bioethicist, and I made all these stupid utilitarian arguments as to, well, you know, all the freakonomics arguments. 1.00

01:24:26.000 Well, abortion, it stops overpopulation, and it lowers all these sorts of social pathologies. 0.93

01:24:32.000 And she said, oh, okay, Michael, so which one of your arguments For, you know, lowering crime and welfare dependency. 0.96

01:24:38.000 Which one of your arguments is not an argument for killing young black men in inner cities? 0.98

01:24:43.000 It's the same argument, right? 0.99

01:24:45.000 And I thought, oh, yikes!

01:24:46.000 I don't like that.

01:24:47.000 And I thought about it more deeply and I realized, oh, they're not just evil people trying to control women's bodies. 0.99

01:24:54.000 Maybe there's actually something to this idea that a baby's a baby and we shouldn't kill it.

01:25:00.000 You know, I said it's a scientific fact that life begins at conception, and I just have never understood any logic, in any circumstance, even when I wasn't listening to more pro-life, nuanced arguments, that, you know, I think, I think, was it Vosch who said, when he was asked by Charlie Kirk, when does life begin, he says, I don't know, sometime after birth?

01:25:19.000 I think that's what he said?

01:25:20.000 Yeah, that's what he said.

01:25:20.000 And I'm like, well that can't make sense.

01:25:22.000 Wild.

01:25:22.000 I think of it as life beginning at conception, but at what point is it a human Ah, we don't know.

01:25:28.000 Well, it's not a giraffe.

01:25:29.000 It's not a platypus.

01:25:30.000 The real question is, when is it ensouled?

01:25:30.000 It is human life.

01:25:33.000 And the answer is, we don't know.

01:25:35.000 It is possible that we could discover that life does not begin at conception.

01:25:41.000 You know, I know a lot of people... I'm sorry, not that life does not begin at conception, which of course it does.

01:25:45.000 Not that human life doesn't begin at conception, which of course it does.

01:25:49.000 But that the insolement of a child does not begin at conception.

01:25:54.000 The Bible is not clear about this.

01:25:57.000 There's an argument for wrestling in the womb, and some pro-life likes to use that. 1.00

01:26:03.000 But there's also the breadth of life.

01:26:05.000 I mean, there are real questions about, to the extent that it is unknown, though, what

01:26:09.000 are we left with?

01:26:10.000 We're left with the things that we do know.

01:26:12.000 That life begins at conception.

01:26:13.000 That the life conceived is a human life.

01:26:16.000 That's what we can measure.

01:26:17.000 That's what we can know.

01:26:18.000 That's where we have to actually make our decision.

01:26:20.000 And to the extent that those things are knowable and that we do know them, in my view, therefore, we're left with no other conclusion but to protect that life.

01:26:29.000 You know, that's a good point, Jeremy, and it raises the question of, all right, so how certain are you?

01:26:33.000 What are you willing to risk? 0.56

01:26:34.000 You 3% sure that you're gonna kill 60 million babies? 0.98

01:26:37.000 Right.

01:26:37.000 But there's also, sometimes you'll hear the pro-choice, pro-abortion people say, well, in the Christian tradition, they actually had carve-outs for some abortions.

01:26:46.000 And they always cite St.

01:26:47.000 Thomas Aquinas, who's a very important doctor of the church.

01:26:51.000 And Thomas Aquinas, it seems, at least at first glance, to be a little unclear on this question.

01:26:56.000 Between what he considers to be, you know, the first step of the baby being made, there's some period of time before the baby is ensouled.

01:27:03.000 But it's based on really ignorance of Thomas Aquinas, because Aquinas is using Aristotle's physics, he's using Aristotle's understanding of biology.

01:27:13.000 Not his fault, not Aristotle's fault, they didn't have modern sonograms, and so what they believed was that the sperm acted on the blood and produced a vegetative soul, but there wasn't really anything even resembling life until the quickening, and you had this distinct human being, and we just know now That isn't true.

01:27:30.000 We know that the sperm and the egg come together, they cease to be what they were, and they become a unique human life, and they're growing.

01:27:34.000 And so, it's no knock on Aquinas or Aristotle, but by their own logic, life starts pretty much just right at conception.

01:27:42.000 And also, if I'm not mistaken, the official position of the Catholic Church is that the person is in soul, that fertilization.

01:27:51.000 I think it's the heartbeat, personally, because that's when the magnetic field begins to become produced.

01:27:57.000 I think Jeremy hit the nail on the head.

01:27:59.000 We're left with what we know.

01:28:01.000 Life begins at conception.

01:28:02.000 And every argument I've ever heard, and I welcome any more pro-abortion, pro-left, pro-choice, whatever they want to say, to have this discussion, because I do feel it's like, here's a pro-choice onslaught, essentially.

01:28:15.000 I mean, a pro-life onslaught.

01:28:17.000 Scientifically, just what is life?

01:28:20.000 A unique set of DNA?

01:28:21.000 And I've heard all the arguments and ultimately, you know, you say, um, you know, you know, mention, you know, when does it?

01:28:27.000 I can't remember.

01:28:28.000 When can you discern that it's a human?

01:28:29.000 Well, so, you know, the argument's been made a million times.

01:28:32.000 If a person is brain dead, is it still a person?

01:28:34.000 Well, of course it is.

01:28:34.000 Is it still alive?

01:28:35.000 And so, there's the question of how many grains of sand make a heap.

01:28:38.000 Sure, but there's still sand there.

01:28:40.000 The process of creating the heap started when you began trickling sand, you know, onto the ground.

01:28:44.000 If we want to say, at what point does it become a person?

01:28:47.000 Sure.

01:28:47.000 At what point is it a human life?

01:28:49.000 Since the beginning, when the process begins to create the human life.

01:28:52.000 I like the ensouled question.

01:28:54.000 If you look up the human magnetic field, Taurus, you see this, that the heartbeat itself is producing on a magnetic field around the human body.

01:29:00.000 I think that that magnetic field's interaction with the Earth's magnetic field, and maybe the solar magnetic field, and even the galactic, is producing this God consciousness.

01:29:08.000 But isn't the soul metaphysical?

01:29:11.000 Meaning, so magnetic forces are acting on the physical world, but isn't the soul, in order for it to be the soul and not to be the body, doesn't it have to not be physical?

01:29:20.000 It has to be—I say of the soul that it's the intersection of the transcendent and the material.

01:29:27.000 So to the extent that you're describing the material, perhaps, expression of the soul, that might very well be true.

01:29:33.000 I'd be curious if the proto-heartbeat produces a magnetic field, which to our current question would be a really important one.

01:29:40.000 because you know the cells begin pulsating as a heartbeat before the heart is actually formed

01:29:44.000 in utero which is part of the part of the whole kind of conflict about heartbeat laws right is

01:29:49.000 what is actually the heartbeat but I think your magnetic field thing is actually really fascinating

01:29:55.000 and we should look and see if there's if the proto heartbeat produces the field as well okay

01:29:58.000 there's no I I really don't feel like pro-choice exists anymore

01:30:02.000 And I think it's become a shield for what is overtly pro-abortion.

01:30:05.000 The reason is, I grew up with a family that said abortion was wrong.

01:30:11.000 But there are circumstances where it's not the position of the government to intervene in a private medical practice and it becomes scary in certain circumstances.

01:30:19.000 We were a pro-choice family.

01:30:21.000 We voted Democrat every step of the way.

01:30:23.000 And the conversation was always, it's a terrible thing that exists.

01:30:26.000 And nowadays, that's not even the argument.

01:30:31.000 The argument is women, who cares? 1.00

01:30:33.000 Lena Dunham said she wished she had one.

01:30:35.000 Safe, legal, and rare.

01:30:36.000 Remember all that back in the Al Gore days?

01:30:38.000 Not that long ago.

01:30:39.000 Not that long ago.

01:30:40.000 And this is what's been happening.

01:30:41.000 Now it's shout your abortion. 1.00

01:30:42.000 Shout your abortion. 1.00

01:30:43.000 Right, yeah, exactly.

01:30:43.000 And you get an abortion and you get one.

01:30:45.000 And Lena Dunham said she wished she had one.

01:30:47.000 And she was like, you know, I do all this advocacy and I just feel bad because I didn't and I'm just like, Did you see this tweet the other day?

01:30:52.000 This woman tweets out a cake. 1.00

01:30:55.000 Yes!

01:30:55.000 And the cake said, it's a boy.

01:30:56.000 And then she crossed out the Y and wrote, urchin.

01:31:00.000 And it seems like this was legit.

01:31:01.000 And she said, look, I just had my abortion.

01:31:04.000 And abortion is a really traumatic thing to have.

01:31:07.000 And it's why you've got to surround yourself with love and friendship all the time.

01:31:11.000 And celebrate it.

01:31:12.000 And the question, of course, that naturally follows is, why is it traumatic?

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 Yeah.

01:31:18.000 If it's something to be celebrated, what's so traumatic about it?

01:31:21.000 Well, kind of like working out is traumatic to the muscles, literally, like you're inducing trauma so it can regrow stronger.

01:31:26.000 Yeah, well, I don't think the baby regrows stronger, right?

01:31:30.000 I mean, if she's speaking about it, she's speaking about it emotionally, right?

01:31:33.000 That it creates a trauma.

01:31:35.000 Is the idea that the abortion is an edifying thing and therefore we should have a lot of them to get much stronger?

01:31:41.000 That's right.

01:31:42.000 This is a great conversation.

01:31:43.000 It's philosophical, it's religious, it's legal.

01:31:45.000 I want to focus back on the legal, though, just for a minute.

01:31:48.000 Because a lot of people listening now know that the court is going to make a decision in June, and they may not know exactly where they are on some of these philosophical questions.

01:31:55.000 They may be, you know, persuaded by the Catholic view, they may be persuaded by the pro-choice view, or the magnetic view.

01:32:04.000 Oh yeah, I can go deep on that.

01:32:05.000 But the legal question is what's before us, and what the left likes to do in these moments is to get people to hyperventilate with all these hyperbolic kind of statements about what's going to occur.

01:32:17.000 So just, I think the key things I would want people to leave with are overturning Roe v. Wade 0.87

01:32:22.000 does not make abortion illegal.

01:32:25.000 Overturning Roe v. Wade gives the states the right to make abortion illegal.

01:32:29.000 And I doubt that very many states would do it.

01:32:33.000 Yeah, there are some.

01:32:34.000 I doubt that very many, even conservative states would go all the way to saying that abortion

01:32:38.000 must be illegal in all cases.

01:32:40.000 I think that the most likely thing is that you'll see a radicalization in blue states

01:32:46.000 where we basically get rid of all the constraints of Roe v. Wade and Casey on viability

01:32:52.000 and other sorts of standards.

01:32:53.000 And you can essentially kill babies after birth, which is actually a thing that happens.

01:32:56.000 I think on the other hand, you'll have a few states that outlaw abortion. 0.92

01:33:00.000 I think you'll have many states that take up more of a European standard,

01:33:04.000 which would at least reduce the most horrific instances of abortion,

01:33:08.000 where babies who can actually feel are being dismembered so that they can be

01:33:12.000 extracted from their mothers. And in that world, the cartoon, Tim, that you put up with the refugees, 1.00

01:33:21.000 well, I think that's an asinine statement that all women are going to. 0.99

01:33:25.000 There actually will be more voting with your feet. There'll be a further kind of 0.89

01:33:29.000 balkanization politically of the country. I happen to think that that's a good thing. 1.00

01:33:33.000 I'm really interesting. What I'm really annoyed by in all of this is that we've come to the point

01:33:38.000 where in Virginia and in Colorado, it's like a full term baby can be aborted. And it's just like that.

01:33:45.000 You know, this is why I say life begins at conception as a fact, right?

01:33:48.000 Yeah.

01:33:49.000 You can't abort a baby at eight months because it could be taken out and just placed on a table and it will live.

01:33:54.000 You're literally just executing it and they call it an abortion.

01:33:59.000 As soon as the conception occurs, there's a unique set of DNA and that's all you really need.

01:34:03.000 I accept that if we look at a single cell on Mars and say it's life, we can look at a single cell in a woman and say we have life. 0.98

01:34:10.000 It's the argument pro-life people often bring up that The scientific community says they found single cells here.

01:34:15.000 Is it life?

01:34:16.000 But they won't say the same thing of a human being.

01:34:19.000 I accept the scientific reality of a unique set of DNA.

01:34:21.000 The problem is, as I mentioned with my family growing up, the left's stance now is, if you are pro-choice, you are on board with unfettered access at any point to some of the most disgusting procedures of killing babies.

01:34:35.000 And I'm not talking about the right-wing perspective of You know, on day two of, you know, a fertilized egg, you're killing a baby.

01:34:42.000 I'm saying, imagine that you are a Democrat and the baby is... or a gazelle. 1.00

01:34:50.000 He would deliver the babies and then kill them. 1.00

01:34:53.000 There's a guy right now, Cesare Santangelo. 1.00

01:34:55.000 Yep, in D.C.

01:34:55.000 The story just broke.

01:34:57.000 He's done this to at least hundreds of babies, probably thousands of babies.

01:35:00.000 We're talking full term or nearly full term.

01:35:03.000 In some cases, almost certainly, we're actually born first and then he's killing them.

01:35:07.000 He's the worst serial killer in America, and no one wants to say his name, just like Gosnell.

01:35:11.000 Because the process of abortion for... the process of late-term abortions is... they just kill the baby, which could survive on its own. 0.63

01:35:18.000 That's right.

01:35:19.000 And the other thing is... and Michael alluded to this...

01:35:22.000 Technology is part of this conversation.

01:35:25.000 Because the age of viability gets younger and younger and younger as we get better and better and better at medicine, at medical procedures.

01:35:32.000 It's very conceivable that one day you'll be able to extract a zygote out from a woman and put it in some sort of pod and raise it up until it's able to breathe on its own and get a driver's license. 0.98

01:35:45.000 So the question is, like, even if viability is your standard, what does viability mean?

01:35:49.000 And they'll say, well, viability means when it can survive on its own.

01:35:53.000 Two-year-olds can't survive on their own.

01:35:56.000 Well, let's go to Super Chats.

01:35:57.000 Can I just make a point?

01:35:58.000 I want to ask you guys how we're using these terms.

01:35:59.000 I want to make sure I didn't make an inaccurate statement earlier.

01:36:02.000 But when we use conception versus fertilization, are we using these interchangeably?

01:36:06.000 I'm using them interchangeably.

01:36:06.000 How are we differentiating?

01:36:09.000 It's important to the Aquinas point, because Aquinas would have said that abortion begins at conception.

01:36:14.000 The question is, how long does conception take?

01:36:19.000 Life begins at conception.

01:36:21.000 That is an important distinction.

01:36:22.000 We just know now, because of medical advancements and technology, we know that fertilization and conception, and the sperm and the egg going away, and the new life beginning, that they are the same act.

01:36:34.000 It's a new life.

01:36:35.000 It's an independent DNA set that begins replicating.

01:36:38.000 And it may never even implant.

01:36:40.000 The entire life of that new, distinct DNA life form may be a matter of hours.

01:36:48.000 But for those hours, it was a distinct life form.

01:36:50.000 A human, and we believe that a human has value.

01:36:52.000 Well, that's the definition.

01:36:53.000 Is it human life?

01:36:54.000 Yes.

01:36:55.000 I'm not comfortable saying yes at this point.

01:36:57.000 When people say, you know, I hate the sophistry on this one, when they say, oh, well, sometimes, you know, it won't stick and it'll be washed away or it'll be removed from the body or whatever, and I'm like, yeah, no one killed the life on purpose.

01:37:12.000 That's right.

01:37:13.000 Sometimes people have heart attacks and die.

01:37:14.000 We don't seek out, you know, nature and be like, ah, we're gonna...

01:37:18.000 Well, let's go to Super Chats and read what the audience has to say and the questions you guys have.

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01:37:37.000 Alright.

01:37:38.000 Oh, here's a good one.

01:37:39.000 Saki's Red Landing Strip says, Yeah, he was.

01:37:42.000 Real nice, Buster.

01:37:46.000 You can make it up to me by buying Speechless, controlling words, controlling minds, and paperback in June.

01:37:46.000 Real nice.

01:37:50.000 Yeah, yeah, Klaven was busy, busy not being invited on the show tonight because we had Knowles instead!

01:37:56.000 It's a good one.

01:37:57.000 We love you, Clavin.

01:37:58.000 FindMyGeisha says, I know that Michael believes in regulations on the Second Amendment, and Tim does not.

01:38:04.000 I am in Tim's camp, but would like to hear a debate on the difference.

01:38:07.000 I think I'm learning something new about my political philosophy.

01:38:10.000 So why do you want to take my guts away?

01:38:12.000 I was going to say, maybe Clavin should have come on tonight.

01:38:14.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:38:16.000 I can't think of a... I mean, I don't think that individuals should be allowed to possess nuclear weapons.

01:38:22.000 That's pretty much the only limit I've got.

01:38:24.000 Well, hold on.

01:38:25.000 Do you think people have the right to bear nuclear arms?

01:38:29.000 I would restrict that right.

01:38:30.000 I would.

01:38:31.000 But do you think they have the right?

01:38:33.000 No, I don't think so.

01:38:34.000 But the Constitution says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

01:38:38.000 But, you know, one aspect of my view of the world... See?

01:38:38.000 It does, yeah.

01:38:42.000 Yeah, got me.

01:38:43.000 No, one view of my politics is I'm not merely looking at the text on the page, whether to interpret it in the Wacky, kooky, modern leftist way, or even in the supposed originalist way, because there are different versions of originalism.

01:38:57.000 There's original intent, there's original public meaning, which is what Scalia was a big proponent of.

01:39:03.000 I take into account the American tradition.

01:39:06.000 I think that the tradition matters.

01:39:07.000 I think the way these laws have been understood over time matter, and so I've never seen the right to keeping a nuclear arm privately recognized, so I'm fine to let that one go.

01:39:16.000 Well, that's because they stole it.

01:39:19.000 Corsairs and privateers were commonplace.

01:39:22.000 Private man-o-war with grapeshot could level a coastal town.

01:39:26.000 It was owned by a guy, the East India Trading Company.

01:39:28.000 The Founding Fathers believed we were allowed to have cannons.

01:39:33.000 They had multi-barrel.

01:39:35.000 So at what point did we say the government has the right to keep and bear arms that we do not?

01:39:41.000 Well, certainly by the point of the development of nuclear weapons.

01:39:44.000 I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you that you could have privateers, and I'm all for sea shanties, so sign me up. 0.92

01:39:50.000 I'm all for people having cannons or whatever they want.

01:39:52.000 So, I think the real distinction is, I'm not saying people should have nuclear weapons.

01:39:57.000 And I think I agree with you.

01:39:58.000 I think, as I stated on the episode when we talked about this, where the left took it out of context to try and claim I believe, to try and claim I said they should have nukes.

01:40:07.000 I said, I think we could all come together on this one and actually amend the Constitution to say, except nukes and biological weapons, I think most people would be like, yeah, we're cool with that.

01:40:15.000 But it is worth pointing out, when we talk about the Constitution, there's two separate things we're talking about.

01:40:20.000 There's Capital C Constitution, which is that piece of paper, and then there's the lowercase c Constitution, which is how the government actually works.

01:40:27.000 And so, I love the sheet of paper, I'm all for the Constitution, I'll defend my constitutional rights, tooth and nail.

01:40:33.000 But we also have to accept that the way our government works is not merely dictated by a piece of paper, but the way we live it, and we've lived it for centuries.

01:40:40.000 And if we deny that reality, we're not going to get very far in politics.

01:40:45.000 My point was that right now, individuals under the Constitution do have a right to keep and bear any arm.

01:40:51.000 Period.

01:40:52.000 That the Constitution protects that right.

01:40:55.000 If we don't like that, and I think most people wouldn't, it has to be amended.

01:40:58.000 You can't just one day wake up and say we've all agreed to the Constitution.

01:41:02.000 I mean, we practically don't have that right now.

01:41:02.000 Does it, though?

01:41:06.000 You're right that the text doesn't say that, and we haven't had to change it.

01:41:10.000 I'm inclined to agree with you, Tim.

01:41:13.000 Well, Michael, what you're saying is true.

01:41:17.000 I wish that it were not.

01:41:20.000 I think that we are supposed to be governed by the Constitution with a capital C, and that if there are things about the capital C Constitution we don't like, we're supposed to amend the Constitution, and that the real problem is that we've moved away from the entire concept of enumerated rights.

01:41:34.000 So even the fact that we're talking about the Second Amendment As though that's the guarantor of our right to bear arms.

01:41:41.000 Even that is a misrepresentation of the founding intent, which was that Congress didn't have any right enumerated to them to deal with this issue in the first place.

01:41:49.000 It's true.

01:41:50.000 And even further, you know, Scalia, he said, he interpreted the Second Amendment to mean that you could have any commonly held arms.

01:41:57.000 And where did he get this from?

01:41:58.000 Well, I don't know.

01:41:59.000 He said he was a soft originalist, that he wasn't this hardline originalist.

01:42:02.000 And the fact is, I got to meet the guy when I was a student, and we were all asking him about the Bill of Rights, and he said, who cares about the Bill of Rights?

01:42:11.000 What protects your rights is not the Bill of Rights.

01:42:13.000 What protects it are the institutions that the real guts of the Constitution set up, which have been changed and, I think, decayed over time.

01:42:23.000 And so, when I'm talking about the lowercase c Constitution, I just mean, as a practical matter, the way that we're actually going to maintain our rights and our liberties and our traditions is by the way that we live, by the way that we're actually governed.

01:42:36.000 The very fact that administrative agencies make all of our actual laws now is something that we have to grapple with.

01:42:42.000 That's the way our Constitution works.

01:42:44.000 It's not just a bill up on Capitol Hill.

01:42:46.000 Alright, let's read some more.

01:42:47.000 We got Christina H. who says, Well, there you go.

01:42:49.000 They want one second after.

01:42:50.000 Have you guys heard of that?

01:42:51.000 about a small town trying to survive if the US is hit with an EMP attack.

01:42:55.000 Excellent shows this week, y'all.

01:42:57.000 Thank you.

01:42:58.000 Looking forward to Miss Cooper tomorrow.

01:42:59.000 Well, there you go.

01:43:00.000 They want one second after.

01:43:01.000 Have you guys heard of that?

01:43:02.000 I've not heard of one second after, but we're making lots of movies and TV shows and kids

01:43:06.000 content and as Michael has shamelessly promoted his book, I will shamelessly promote the work

01:43:12.000 of The Daily Wire and say that we're busy building alternatives, cultural alternatives,

01:43:16.000 because not only are we not ultimately governed by the capital C Constitution, more's the

01:43:21.000 pity, we're not really even governed by the lower case C Constitution.

01:43:25.000 We're governed more than anything by the lower case C culture.

01:43:28.000 And more than that, even the technology that we have that allows us to formulate the culture.

01:43:32.000 Like, if someone can shut you out of the town square, you're not able to influence the culture.

01:43:40.000 Well, speaking of shameless promotions, Freedom Tunes is still not to 800,000 subscribers, and we released one of the best videos we've ever released.

01:43:47.000 Go over there and sub.

01:43:48.000 I just want to shout out Jeremy's Razors. 1.00

01:43:50.000 Go pick one up.

01:43:51.000 Jeremy's Razors dot com.

01:43:53.000 Neil Sawyer.

01:43:53.000 I hate Harry's dot com.

01:43:54.000 I hate Harry's dot com.

01:43:55.000 Neil Sawyer says... That's why you want to nuke.

01:43:58.000 I'm just saying that it's strange that I've never seen Seamus and Ben Shapiro in the same room.

01:44:03.000 Use that information as you will.

01:44:04.000 Well, you might.

01:44:06.000 Someday.

01:44:06.000 Relatively soon.

01:44:07.000 Someday.

01:44:08.000 So if you're going to accuse me of actually being Ben Shapiro, that's actually ridiculously offensive, okay?

01:44:08.000 Here's the thing.

01:44:12.000 Ben Shapiro is not nearly as intelligent or handsome as I am, alright folks?

01:44:14.000 And he knows it.

01:44:15.000 Fighting words.

01:44:15.000 He knows it.

01:44:17.000 Alright.

01:44:18.000 Oh, man.

01:44:19.000 You see, they're starting it again, and it's Michael's fault.

01:44:21.000 I was listening to a review of the show, and I heard Ben, and I thought it was you.

01:44:23.000 By the way, okay.

01:44:26.000 Alright.

01:44:27.000 Being second to Seamus in intelligence, it's not an insult.

01:44:30.000 I'm not insulting Shapiro.

01:44:32.000 It's very high bar, okay gang?

01:44:33.000 They're starting it again.

01:44:34.000 I blame Michael for this.

01:44:35.000 Eric Miller says, Tim, you've heard of Hanlon's razor, but have you heard of Jeremy's razor?

01:44:40.000 To that which you can pay tribute to wokeness, you can pay tribute to freedom.

01:44:44.000 You can use that if you want, Jeremy.

01:44:47.000 How's the razor company going along?

01:44:48.000 Yeah, and you've heard of Occam's razor.

01:44:51.000 The razor company's doing great since I was last with you guys.

01:44:53.000 We've sold 30,000 more razors, and I think people are amused by the fact that we're having a good time actually building these alternatives and challenging the sort of leftist homogeny in our economy and in our culture.

01:45:08.000 And I think it's only the beginning.

01:45:09.000 What I'll say is, I'm gonna get incredibly wealthy by taking advantage of all the opportunities that the left gives us.

01:45:16.000 And they give these opportunities to us by act of hubris.

01:45:19.000 That they believe that they can take conservatives for granted and still cash their checks because conservatives have no alternatives.

01:45:26.000 But I'm not the only one who's gonna get wealthy.

01:45:27.000 There are a lot of guys out there.

01:45:28.000 Dan Bongino is, I think, a great one.

01:45:31.000 And there are more, I'm sure, on the horizon who we don't even know yet.

01:45:33.000 Who see all these opportunities being created and are going to seize them.

01:45:36.000 And I genuinely believe over the next decade we're going to create economic incentive for the left to actually not be able to take us for granted anymore.

01:45:45.000 Can I tell you something too?

01:45:47.000 I shave with a Jeremy's razor right now.

01:45:49.000 I previously shaved with a Gillette because I had ditched Harry's.

01:45:52.000 Before Gillette I shaved with a Harry's.

01:45:54.000 And Gillette was bad too because they're half trans now also. 1.00

01:45:57.000 But the Jeremy's razor is a good razor.

01:46:00.000 It is a better razor than the Gillette and the Harry's razor.

01:46:02.000 I thought it was the best a man can get. 0.65

01:46:03.000 get? I'd like to try one. Well, apparently not. All right.

01:46:06.000 Murph tries, says Tim. When will Chicken City be, uh, by the airport TV contracts?

01:46:11.000 Chicken City 24-7. Uh, I am, I am proud to announce today Chicken City netted $1,500. Well

01:46:20.000 done.

01:46:21.000 We reached 650 peak concurrent viewers on the channel today.

01:46:24.000 It's a 24-7 stream, so it's quite a bit for a new show.

01:46:27.000 We're at 29,000 subscribers, and we've consistently made over $1,000 on Chicken City every day.

01:46:36.000 I am very proud.

01:46:37.000 Chicken City is truly greater than CNN Plus.

01:46:42.000 Well, the funny thing is, CNN, with 10,000 daily active users, and with their 50% off price of $3 a month, Chicken City is on track to gross more than CNN Plus per month.

01:46:51.000 It's more informative content, too.

01:46:56.000 Well, the first thing I posted when it went live was, a person who watches nothing but Chicken City is better informed than a person who watches CNN.

01:47:04.000 It's true.

01:47:05.000 You know the quote from Thomas Jefferson.

01:47:08.000 All right, where are we at?

01:47:09.000 Let's grab, we got, we got, we got too many superchats, man.

01:47:12.000 Way too many.

01:47:13.000 All right, there's a lot of people saying, shout out, this is cool, cool, yes, all my favorite, all my favorite.

01:47:18.000 Willie Barron says, all my favorite people, Tim Cass and Daily Wire, heart attack, thank you very much.

01:47:22.000 Keep breathing.

01:47:23.000 All right, Evan says, great to see, Evan Boymel, great to see Knowles and the God King.

01:47:30.000 Elon is right, there is potential in Twitter, but it's essentially a rage chamber.

01:47:34.000 Transparency would be much, a much needed shot.

01:47:38.000 Favor.

01:47:39.000 Shout out my parody fighting game.

01:47:42.000 What does it say?

01:47:43.000 Celeb-U-Brawl. 0.62

01:47:44.000 Fight caricatures of celebs on mobile and have a blast.

01:47:48.000 Love the show and love the convo.

01:47:50.000 That does sound like a blast.

01:47:51.000 I'm in.

01:47:51.000 Yeah, sign me up.

01:47:52.000 Yeah, right on.

01:47:53.000 We have the screen zoomed smaller so we could fit more on and it's getting harder to read.

01:47:58.000 But, uh, here we go.

01:48:00.000 A free-thinking dog says, Chicken Marsala is Italian. 1.00

01:48:05.000 British food sucks. 1.00

01:48:07.000 All right. 0.99

01:48:08.000 Thank you for your two bucks.

01:48:12.000 All right.

01:48:14.000 Let's grab some more.

01:48:16.000 Joe Byrne says you can also create graphite by crushing coal into powder and microwaving it.

01:48:20.000 Supposedly, we could still use coal mines.

01:48:22.000 I think you mean graphene, though.

01:48:23.000 Well, you can actually upscale coal into graphene.

01:48:26.000 They're working on doing that with lasers.

01:48:27.000 So it's not going to supplant the coal industry like I thought before.

01:48:30.000 Hopefully we'll figure out how not to supplant the copper industry, because that's basically the last roadblock before inception.

01:48:36.000 Ian, how do you learn this?

01:48:38.000 I listen a lot.

01:48:39.000 I have a good memory.

01:48:40.000 I read a lot of science journals and talk to scientists.

01:48:44.000 I have a lot of friends that are scientists, like Jeremy Riss, the alien scientist.

01:48:47.000 Highly recommend his channel.

01:48:48.000 Very wise man.

01:48:49.000 So do you own any stock or business investments in graphing?

01:48:53.000 I actually went down to South America to start a graphing company in Santiago, Chile.

01:48:58.000 We had an investor, but it didn't feel right doing it in South America.

01:49:02.000 I want to do it here if we're going to do it.

01:49:03.000 When Ian started ranting about this, I found a company that produces graphene and I bought like 60 shares.

01:49:08.000 Nothing crazy, but I was like, alright.

01:49:10.000 There's this stuff called turbostatic graphene where you can hit it with lasers and create these wafers of it.

01:49:15.000 And then if you can somehow bend them 1.1 degrees and you can start to get this incredibly superconductive, you start to layer it at like 1.1 degrees, 1.56 degrees.

01:49:26.000 I think it's starting to make a 64 tetrahedron, like a two-dimensional tetrahedron shape, and we'll be able to conduct lightning through it and stuff.

01:49:34.000 Wow.

01:49:34.000 Yeah, if we can somehow use lasers to flash it into position, we'll just be able to create this mad awesome carbon.

01:49:41.000 This is interesting.

01:49:42.000 Brian Webb, in reference to Watchmen, says, Alan Moore regretted writing the comics because he claims that he broke the genre.

01:49:49.000 Maybe.

01:49:51.000 You know, I look at a lot of his work and it really added a lot of depth and philosophy and ethics and morals to comic books.

01:49:57.000 He was amazing.

01:49:58.000 Watchmen was brilliant.

01:50:00.000 The Bad Guy Wins, basically.

01:50:03.000 Excellent, excellent writing.

01:50:04.000 I loved the movie, too.

01:50:06.000 All right, Nevermore says, Michael, on your comment about tall buildings make people liberals.

01:50:10.000 I live outside of Portland, Oregon, and the tall buildings have always felt unnatural, dystopian, and depressing to me.

01:50:16.000 Yeah, this is an important point.

01:50:17.000 There was an obit in the New York Times the other day, and that's the only good part of the New York Times.

01:50:23.000 It was about this guy, Christopher Alexander, who is an anti-modernist architecture guy, especially in the 70s.

01:50:29.000 He hit his stride.

01:50:30.000 And he made a really simple point, but it's important, especially for conservatives to get, but really for all of us.

01:50:36.000 Any place you are is going to elevate your spirits, maybe just a little bit, or lower your spirits.

01:50:42.000 Any place.

01:50:43.000 That matters because we're in the physical world.

01:50:45.000 Conservatives used to get this so much.

01:50:47.000 Edmund Burke, who's kind of considered the father of modern conservatism, he was an aesthetic philosopher.

01:50:52.000 It actually, like, beauty and place and stuff, that actually matters to us.

01:50:56.000 And so if you live in some dystopian glass and steel hellhole, you're not gonna feel great.

01:51:00.000 Have you guys been to a castle?

01:51:01.000 A medieval castle?

01:51:03.000 I was in Scotland, in Edinburgh, and I think it was Mary, Queen of Scots.

01:51:06.000 I had a chance to go into her bedchamber, where she would get dressed, and there's a slit window.

01:51:09.000 You look out, and you look down at the people walking around.

01:51:11.000 It's humbling, because I was putting myself in her mind, thinking like, ah, my subjects.

01:51:15.000 And like, just what kind of ego that builds, to see these tiny humans.

01:51:18.000 But imagine being all the way, all the way up at the top of a skyscraper.

01:51:22.000 Just putting ketchup on your steak and eating your taco salads.

01:51:27.000 The best in the world.

01:51:28.000 There's the Family Guy joke where all the rich people are hanging out with Peter, and they're like in a plane or something, and then he's like, wow, look at the people down there.

01:51:35.000 They look like ants.

01:51:36.000 And Bill Gates goes, they are ants!

01:51:40.000 All right.

01:51:41.000 NYBSFP says, I'm confused why Jeremy would hunt down the last panda to save the life of the most reprehensible human, but two minutes later says he'd kill a person to save his dog because some people are bad, huh?

01:51:53.000 Yeah, because it's two separate questions.

01:51:57.000 Would I kill someone who is in the act of committing evil to preserve the thing that I ascribe value to, perhaps?

01:52:05.000 That's a separate, distinct question from, is panda life or dog life intrinsically more valuable than human life?

01:52:14.000 So it's just using, it's using examples to try to articulate two separate points.

01:52:18.000 You're killing a burglar in the dog example.

01:52:20.000 That's right. 0.98

01:52:21.000 You're killing a burglar.

01:52:22.000 I'm gonna take credit for this idea here.

01:52:24.000 Preston Witherspoon, thank you for writing it, but I'm just gonna take credit.

01:52:28.000 He says, Tim, please let Jeremy know if Daily Wire creates a platform like Netflix that streams regular movies and TV shows, millions of us would leave Netflix and stop giving them money.

01:52:37.000 Who needs Netflix originals anyway?

01:52:39.000 Did you guys realize that?

01:52:41.000 I think it's a great idea for your platform to try and make a streaming service with original content.

01:52:46.000 Which is exactly what you guys are doing.

01:52:47.000 I was thinking about it.

01:52:48.000 That is what we're doing.

01:52:49.000 Thank you.

01:52:50.000 I think that it's humble.

01:52:51.000 Your statement is humbling, A, because we have.

01:52:54.000 We've released four feature films and we're releasing two documentaries next month.

01:52:59.000 We have two series in development right now and five kids series.

01:53:02.000 It's humbling because, A, despite our best efforts to market this idea, I think there

01:53:07.000 are a lot of people who don't know about it.

01:53:09.000 And B, even to the extent that you do know about it, and perhaps you do, what you're saying is we haven't reached a point of viability yet where this is worth your money.

01:53:18.000 And I understand that.

01:53:19.000 We certainly don't have enough content to make an offering to you on a straight value proposition level.

01:53:27.000 Anything like Netflix.

01:53:28.000 I mean, essentially, for ten bucks, you can come to the Daily Wire and watch four movies, or for that same ten bucks, you can go to Netflix and watch every movie and television show ever made.

01:53:37.000 We're aware of that distinction, but what we're basically saying is that the mission is part of the value that we're giving to our subscribers as well, and that the more people subscribe, the faster we'll get to that ultimate value proposition, where we have enough content, where it is well and truly Uh, worth your money.

01:53:55.000 I think it's worth it now because you also, in addition to that content I mentioned, you still get the Ben Shapiro show, the Candace Owen show, the Andrew Klaven show, the Matt Walsh show.

01:54:04.000 We throw Michael on there just for charity.

01:54:08.000 So you do get a lot of value from the platform, but I certainly recognize that we got a lot of work to do.

01:54:13.000 It's interesting if you start buying content that's going off contract at Netflix and Hulu, because on your platform, they're going to get a lot more attention being first in.

01:54:23.000 It's true.

01:54:23.000 The Order.

01:54:24.000 I liked that show.

01:54:25.000 It was like a teeny bopper, CW style werewolf thing.

01:54:28.000 And I was watching it and I was like, they're not making another one?

01:54:30.000 Man.

01:54:31.000 I was enjoying it.

01:54:33.000 It was, you know, the TV was on.

01:54:34.000 But anyway, let me just say, I have an LG TV.

01:54:38.000 There's no OTT app for some of these smart TVs for Daily Wire and I wasn't able to watch it.

01:54:43.000 And then on our Sony TV I wasn't, I don't know if I'm just doing something wrong or if you guys are, you know, moving, are you gonna get the OTTs?

01:54:49.000 We're building OTTs actively right now.

01:54:52.000 The couple that we have, Roku and Apple TV, are getting improved because they, they're not at the level that we think they should be.

01:54:59.000 But yes, that's a place we're making very active investment right now.

01:55:01.000 And just because of the jargon, it means over-the-top.

01:55:04.000 So it's a reference to TV, smart TVs, Roku, Apple TV, so that on your TV you can just have the app.

01:55:10.000 So you can currently on Roku and Apple TV.

01:55:14.000 That's a product that will improve.

01:55:15.000 Samsung, Vizio, those are all in development right now.

01:55:19.000 I think you're a victim of your own success in that everyone is so eager and excited for the prospect of real content and good content that they expect you to have it instantly.

01:55:28.000 Yeah.

01:55:29.000 You know, and I think a year you guys are going to be the snowball rolling down the hill with great speed.

01:55:34.000 So I'm excited for that.

01:55:35.000 Sure.

01:55:35.000 Thank you.

01:55:36.000 All right.

01:55:37.000 What is this?

01:55:38.000 Prometheus says, make wearing swords fashionable again.

01:55:42.000 Ian, have you heard of borafine?

01:55:45.000 Daily Wire anime when, God King?

01:55:48.000 Would you like to answer first?

01:55:50.000 Not soon enough.

01:55:51.000 I think borafine, I've heard this is like the ninth time someone's told me about it in the last two weeks.

01:55:55.000 So it's boron.

01:55:57.000 It's similar to graphene.

01:55:58.000 I think it's similar structure, structurally.

01:56:01.000 But it apparently is incredible.

01:56:03.000 OrangeRed says, Tim, in the movie The Good Son, an aunt has to choose who to save, her nephew or her son.

01:56:08.000 Watch it.

01:56:09.000 Macaulay Culkin and Elijah Wood played the kids.

01:56:11.000 I think I saw that when I was real young.

01:56:13.000 And isn't like one is a bad kid and one's a good kid or something?

01:56:17.000 Like just a genuinely evil child, yeah.

01:56:18.000 And there's a whole debate between whether it's psychopathy and mental illness or just true evil.

01:56:24.000 Like you've got, you know, two kids that are in a river going down full speed and one's just a really nice, good kid who wants to help everybody, but the evil kid is holding the cure for cancer. 0.99

01:56:33.000 I would kill Macaulay Culkin, I think. 0.75

01:56:36.000 And of course the evil kid has the cure for cancer, right? 1.00

01:56:38.000 How do you come across that?

01:56:39.000 He stole it from a lab?

01:56:40.000 Exactly.

01:56:40.000 You're like, oh, I gotta save him now.

01:56:41.000 Because that evil kid is Big Pharma.

01:56:43.000 He's not going to give it to us anyway, don't save him!

01:56:45.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on, let me fix the scenario.

01:56:49.000 The evil kid and the good kid are both in the river, the evil kid has the cure for cancer, and you have a very powerful net gun that just so happens to fire two nets at the same time, tethered to a rope that will save them both.

01:56:58.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:56:59.000 That's a moral dilemma.

01:57:00.000 You're not bound by reality.

01:57:02.000 But one of them is ugly.

01:57:03.000 You shared it with the other kid twice.

01:57:08.000 Two good kids.

01:57:09.000 No, we saved them.

01:57:09.000 We saved them.

01:57:10.000 Of course.

01:57:10.000 All right.

01:57:11.000 All right.

01:57:13.000 What does it say?

01:57:14.000 Zaka Inan says, no matter the impossible choice, no one gets out of this alive.

01:57:18.000 Love this conversation.

01:57:20.000 It was good.

01:57:21.000 It was good.

01:57:21.000 In the end, we all will meet our maker.

01:57:25.000 All right.

01:57:26.000 And maybe even during the process.

01:57:28.000 Lex McCormick says, You three Christian men, how can I hear God? 1.00

01:57:32.000 I am lost but seeking and am met with silence.

01:57:35.000 Other Christians tell me that evil seeks signs and wonders. 1.00

01:57:38.000 I hope I'm not evil, but I do wish God would speak to me so that I might know him.

01:57:41.000 As my priest said once in the introduction to a book, an evil generation looks for signs and wonders. 0.98

01:57:47.000 But a stupid generation ignores signs and wonders, and they are there. 1.00

01:57:51.000 The Christian view of the world is rich in symbolism. 1.00

01:57:53.000 But you're not going to be hearing a voice come out of the sky, probably, anytime soon.

01:58:00.000 Maybe you will, I don't know.

01:58:01.000 But where can you hear the Word of God?

01:58:03.000 Well, I've got two really simple answers.

01:58:06.000 They're not going to sound cool and mystical.

01:58:08.000 Go to church and read the Bible.

01:58:09.000 That would be a good place to start.

01:58:11.000 I just want to point out that I just think the idea that there is some greater power that created everything, that there's some kind of purpose to all this and that there are signs for us to see is completely absurd.

01:58:22.000 What makes more sense is that an advanced species created all of this for some purpose and that we're here for a reason and there are signs in the system.

01:58:29.000 Like a god-like species.

01:58:32.000 Right, right, like a god-like species.

01:58:33.000 Right, but not a god, though.

01:58:34.000 But, you know, or some, or...

01:58:35.000 Not like a god.

01:58:36.000 You make a great point.

01:58:37.000 Not a real god.

01:58:38.000 But we love talking about the...

01:58:39.000 Can I say something to that last question?

01:58:40.000 Yeah.

01:58:41.000 Because it's such an important question, and I always like to point out that if you read

01:58:44.000 the narrative of the Gospels, Christ went through the Galilee and drove out all disease.

01:58:49.000 It says that he went from village to village and healed everyone.

01:58:52.000 And this was his ministry for several years.

01:58:54.000 It culminates in the events that precede Palm Sunday last week with the raising of Lazarus from the dead.

01:59:01.000 He literally speaks into the tomb and calls forth Lazarus, who's been dead four days, in the presence of people who believe in him and people who don't believe in him.

01:59:11.000 And no one contested these miracles.

01:59:14.000 In fact, it says that the high priest, I referenced this line earlier but without context, that the high priest himself said after that, essentially,

01:59:21.000 it's better that one man should die for the nation, that, in other words, they began to plot to kill Jesus,

01:59:26.000 not because they didn't believe in the miracles, but because they did.

01:59:29.000 I say all of that to say, even people who literally heard God speak,

01:59:34.000 people who literally stood in the presence of God's Son, and watched Him call forth the dead to life, didn't believe.

01:59:43.000 And so I understand the desperation of non-belief, and I understand the longing that is in the human heart to hear God directly, that you might believe in Him, but it is a mistaken view.

01:59:55.000 If you did hear from God, There is absolutely no certainty that you would believe.

02:00:00.000 And so, the better thing to realize, I think, is that what God values most highly is faith.

02:00:06.000 And faith is the substance of things not seen, things not heard, things hoped for.

02:00:11.000 And so, in many ways, it's a great gift from God that we don't see and hear from Him, and that, instead, we're left with the opportunity to put faith in Him, which is an even more unsatisfying answer than read the Bible and go to church.

02:00:26.000 Until you realize the beauty of it.

02:00:28.000 That it is in faith that we can be saved, and not in certainty.

02:00:32.000 And in that way, it is quite a gift from God that we don't always hear His voice or see His face.

02:00:38.000 All right.

02:00:39.000 Our strike says, Tim, when I asked if you'd change your mind on possible fraud of Republicans, if Republicans lost midterms, you dismissed it and I felt disrespected.

02:00:49.000 It was a sincere question.

02:00:50.000 I did not dismiss it.

02:00:53.000 I'm sorry you felt that way.

02:00:54.000 What my point was, In 2018, I was adamant Republicans were going to win and win big, and then they didn't.

02:01:02.000 I didn't assume it was because it was cheated.

02:01:04.000 I assumed it was because I was wrong.

02:01:05.000 If in November the Republicans lose, I'm going to assume it's because I'm wrong.

02:01:11.000 If evidence emerges of direct actions, I will consider all evidence.

02:01:16.000 So the challenge I have, especially with like 2020, is We get stories about the campaigns run by Democrat politicians, the deals they cut with Republicans, Voter in the Park, the universal mail-in ballots that was recently ruled unconstitutional in Pennsylvania, and I say, all of that is just actual politics that resulted in a shadow campaign that saved the elections.

02:01:39.000 That's the best way you can call it.

02:01:40.000 I've not seen evidence of watermarked ballots or overt fraud to a degree where I'm convinced that's the issue at hand.

02:01:50.000 So even though I really do believe Republicans are on track to win, especially considering every poll and every outcry from Democrats, for one, there are many variables from now until today which I can't predict, and two, it's possible I'm not omniscient.

02:02:03.000 Just possible.

02:02:03.000 It's back to Occam's razor, right?

02:02:05.000 Yeah.

02:02:05.000 And I think this is right.

02:02:07.000 I say of 2020, I think that there is there is abundant evidence that the election was rigged.

02:02:13.000 There is not enough evidence that it was stolen.

02:02:16.000 And those are incredibly distinct.

02:02:19.000 Real quick, just to make sure we clarify that rigged in the sense that lawmakers got together a year in advance.

02:02:25.000 They passed new laws.

02:02:26.000 Yes.

02:02:27.000 Voter, like we mentioned, the media literally suppressed stories that would be harmful to their preferred candidate right in that way it's like the referees were

02:02:35.000 only calling strikes on one side it would be like if if Jonathan and Isaac

02:02:41.000 Jonathan Isaac and I played a game of one-on-one that is a rigged game right I

02:02:46.000 am at a I'm at a pronounced disadvantage going into it that you can say that

02:02:50.000 it is unfair but it isn't cheating at that point that he makes all the

02:02:54.000 points it this is an There was a piece published in RealClearPolitics not too long ago from a very serious guy who had worked with the Department of Justice on election issues, and he believes that there is evidence, hard evidence, of actual stolen ballots in certain states.

02:03:10.000 He leaves the conclusion vague as to what this means for the overall election, but that would be, say, one piece of evidence.

02:03:17.000 Sure.

02:03:17.000 Of the sort you're looking for.

02:03:18.000 But to your point, Jeremy, is that sufficient to do what?

02:03:21.000 In the political process, how is that going to overrule an election?

02:03:24.000 And the question of rigging and outright stealing, there's a distinction.

02:03:28.000 And like you, Tim, I'm open to that.

02:03:29.000 I've seen some evidence even using geolocation type data that is fairly compelling that there was some cheating going on.

02:03:36.000 I'm open to the idea that an election is stolen.

02:03:38.000 You just have to prove it.

02:03:41.000 I think there's two big things at play, and I think people don't want to believe them.

02:03:44.000 One is that I told this to Steve Bannon. 1.00

02:03:47.000 I said, I know people who are as dumb as a box of rocks with no business in politics. 1.00

02:03:50.000 They couldn't tell you who Ruth Bader Ginsburg was. 1.00

02:03:52.000 They don't know how many justices there are.

02:03:55.000 And they post videos of themselves voting.

02:03:57.000 They took away sports.

02:03:58.000 They took away video games.

02:03:59.000 They took away movies.

02:04:00.000 They locked people in their homes and told you it was Trump's fault.

02:04:03.000 And I saw people that never got political in my life, with nothing else to do getting political, It's also when people say, you believe that more people turned out to vote for Joe Biden than Barack Obama?

02:04:12.000 mail-in voting unconstitutional. I'm like, dude, it all happened above board. I think

02:04:15.000 you just don't want to accept it that for a year Republicans actually were working against

02:04:20.000 Republicans.

02:04:21.000 It's also when people say, you believe that more people turned out to vote for Joe Biden

02:04:26.000 than Barack Obama? And it's like, no, they didn't have to turn out.

02:04:31.000 They legally, they lawfully changed the nature of the election to, instead of having to go stand in a line, you had to check your mail.

02:04:40.000 So of course, when you make it that easy, there are going to be more votes.

02:04:44.000 That's why they wanted it, and it makes it harder for, it's an advantage for Democrats because of urban density compared to the disparate nature of rural Can I point out the problem of tallying votes with a corporation behind the scenes and people that people aren't transparently allowed to witness is a code red problem with our elections.

02:05:06.000 We need to see every vote on some sort of public database so we can verify our systems.

02:05:12.000 I agree.

02:05:12.000 Free to vote.

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