Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Epstein Conspiracy CONFIRMED, Report Confirms Bill Gates WAS Blackmailed w-Dan Bongino

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00:00:33.000 okay this morning you know I wake up of course we had the news and I decide I'm

00:00:38.000 going to do a segment about the Epstein conspiracy being confirmed

00:00:42.000 Yeah, because the Wall Street Journal reported that Bill Gates was being blackmailed by Epstein to try and get money out of him, which is but a keyhole into the whole Epstein conspiracy, but basically confirms what we all believed is likely true.

00:00:58.000 Epstein was blackmailing powerful individuals and trying to control them through Threatening to leak information on their, let's just call it, adult private affairs.

00:01:07.000 Now, the Wall Street Journal says it appears to be this way, but they then outright say their sources say the intention of this communication was to blackmail Bill Gates.

00:01:15.000 I'll take it.

00:01:16.000 It may be just a single grain of sand that in the evidentiary file of Epstein was doing this, but now we know, at least in this one instance, he was.

00:01:27.000 I think it's fair to say, in all likelihood, this is how he was doing everything he was doing.

00:01:30.000 The question then becomes, is he the mastermind or is he the messenger?

00:01:33.000 So we're going to talk about that.

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00:02:31.000 Now, we're hanging out with Dan Bongino today, who's got to leave right on the mark at the end of the show, so we did a pre-show with him, which will be available right when we wrap this up.

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00:02:41.000 We talked about a lot of really cool stuff.

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00:02:50.000 And as I already mentioned, joining us tonight, it is an honor and a privilege, we have Dan Bongino.

00:02:55.000 Man, don't miss that pre-show.

00:02:57.000 Although I have to apologize.

00:02:57.000 That was good.

00:02:58.000 Yeah, it was.

00:02:59.000 It was good, but there were quite a few F-bombs, so I'm really sorry to the parents with kids at home, but that was a lot of fun. 1.00

00:03:06.000 That was good.

00:03:06.000 You definitely got the energy going, man.

00:03:08.000 You got me like flying right into this here.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, it was great.

00:03:10.000 We talked about war, elections, but we wanted to save some of the best stuff for going live.

00:03:16.000 So I think most people know who you are, but do you want to just provide a simple introduction?

00:03:21.000 Yeah, so I was a cop and then I was a secret service agent for a little while.

00:03:26.000 I'm going to sum this up in like 10.

00:03:28.000 And then I got tired of all those things.

00:03:30.000 I said, I want to go do something.

00:03:31.000 I tried to get a medical school.

00:03:32.000 Didn't work.

00:03:33.000 Ran for office.

00:03:34.000 Almost won, but didn't win.

00:03:35.000 Horseshoes and hand grenades.

00:03:36.000 Did a hit on Fox.

00:03:37.000 Wound up with a radio show and a podcast and then just flew up to meet the great Tim Pool today.

00:03:43.000 Appreciate it.

00:03:43.000 There we go.

00:03:44.000 There's nothing I hate more than long intros.

00:03:46.000 You ever go to give a speech and they have this, here's Tim Pool and they're reading for like 20 minutes.

00:03:50.000 I'm like, dude, wrap it up.

00:03:51.000 Wrap it up.

00:03:52.000 I send them one sentence.

00:03:53.000 Here to speak is Dan Bargino.

00:03:55.000 He's a really nice guy and he's got something to say.

00:03:58.000 Thank you.

00:03:59.000 So there you go.

00:04:00.000 Perfect.

00:04:00.000 This is summing it up.

00:04:02.000 How you doing, everyone?

00:04:02.000 I am Phil Labonte, the lead singer from the heavy metal band All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary, and I'm here with my friend, again... Ian Crossland!

00:04:12.000 Look who's back!

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00:04:14.000 Thanks for having me, Phil.

00:04:14.000 Yo, welcome back, baby.

00:04:15.000 How long was it?

00:04:16.000 Was it two weeks?

00:04:17.000 Yeah, I think so, man.

00:04:18.000 And I'll be here for a couple days, and then I'm gonna be out for a few more.

00:04:21.000 I'm gonna go take a little short rest and go see Tool on this coming week.

00:04:25.000 I'm very excited.

00:04:26.000 I like that band.

00:04:27.000 Are they still performing?

00:04:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:28.000 Yeah, dude.

00:04:28.000 They got some...

00:04:30.000 We play Tool a lot.

00:04:31.000 They're my main nerds.

00:04:33.000 Some of their stuff is epic.

00:04:34.000 One song just blows me away every time.

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00:04:39.000 No, no, no.

00:04:40.000 No, no, no. 1.00

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00:04:43.000 See, the thing is, with a band like Tool, they have so many great songs. 0.99

00:04:46.000 To start listing them off, you're just gonna miss them.

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00:04:51.000 My roommate in college would get drunk and punch the walls to those guys.

00:04:53.000 We cannot continue this show.

00:04:55.000 And then he had four kids.

00:04:56.000 He was like getting ready to become a father, and you could just see it, him going through it.

00:05:00.000 Right on.

00:05:00.000 Welcome back, Ian.

00:05:01.000 Thanks, Tim.

00:05:02.000 Thanks for having me.

00:05:03.000 And that Appalachian Nights is delicious, by the way.

00:05:05.000 Such a good song.

00:05:05.000 46 and 2.

00:05:07.000 Dude, epic.

00:05:08.000 That song, man, that blows me away.

00:05:10.000 I would like to cover that sometime.

00:05:12.000 That's a really hot song.

00:05:13.000 Now, I know it's not Tool, but A Perfect Circle, Judith, I think is one of the greatest songs ever written.

00:05:19.000 The lyrics, the story, the guitar on that, it's just, man, Maynard legend.

00:05:25.000 I love tunes.

00:05:26.000 I'm a big, big music guy.

00:05:28.000 I was into country and stuff, but Tool blows it up.

00:05:31.000 You know who is like an underrated band too? 0.98

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00:05:35.000 No, don't worry. 0.96

00:05:37.000 We had all this stuff to talk about.

00:05:39.000 We'll get to MC there, folks.

00:05:41.000 System of a down, man.

00:05:44.000 Those guys, man, they tore it up.

00:05:46.000 That toxicity?

00:05:48.000 I was just listening to that a couple days ago, man.

00:05:49.000 That beat, it's like that bass and that drum.

00:05:51.000 It's so badass.

00:05:53.000 I wish I could sing, man, but I can't.

00:05:55.000 I just went to the Morgan Wallen concert, the last one, before his voice got all busted up.

00:05:59.000 I was so wrecked.

00:06:01.000 I had like five White Claws.

00:06:02.000 It was the only, like I don't drink White Claw, but it was the only alcoholic beverage where there was no lime, and they wouldn't let you go in with like five or six at a time, so I had to keep going out.

00:06:13.000 So I was drinking these like tall boy White Claws, man.

00:06:15.000 Totally obliterated.

00:06:17.000 Complete blast.

00:06:18.000 And like people are coming up to me like, and it's loud.

00:06:21.000 I can't hear anything because I'm half deaf anyway from my time in the Secret Service with that thing jamming in my ear.

00:06:26.000 And people are like, I'm like, I'm just listening to tunes, man.

00:06:31.000 But whatever you're saying, I really appreciate it.

00:06:34.000 I had a total blast, man.

00:06:35.000 Music's my thing, man.

00:06:36.000 Right on.

00:06:36.000 We got Serge hanging out, too.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, I am hanging out.

00:06:39.000 I'm wearing my hat that said Epstein and Epstein himself, just for the occasion.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, let's get started.

00:06:44.000 Don't talk about this.

00:06:44.000 Here we go.

00:06:45.000 So this is stories.

00:06:46.000 This is nuts.

00:06:47.000 This is it.

00:06:47.000 From the Wall Street Journal.

00:06:48.000 Take a look at this picture.

00:06:49.000 We got Epstein and Bill Gates right there.

00:06:51.000 Jeffrey Epstein appeared to threaten Bill Gates over Microsoft co-founder's affair with Russian bridge player.

00:06:58.000 It is the lightest, smallest grain of sand, effectively confirming, I believe confirming the conspiracy theory that Epstein was blackmailing powerful individuals, but they outright say it in here.

00:07:10.000 They say in 2017, Epstein emailed Gates and asked him to be reimbursed for the cost of a coding course for this young woman, according to people familiar with the matter.

00:07:19.000 Now, the issue here is, Why would Epstein contact Bill Gates about a young woman he had an affair with in secret, except to say, I know you had the affair, I want the money, I know you had the affair.

00:07:32.000 They even go on to say the intention was to blackmail Bill Gates in this.

00:07:38.000 So let me just read this.

00:07:39.000 Jeffrey Epstein discovered that Bill Gates had an affair with a Russian bridge player and later appeared to use his knowledge to threaten one of the world's richest men, according to people familiar with the matter.

00:07:49.000 The Microsoft co-founder met them in around 2010, when she was in her 20s.

00:07:54.000 Epstein met her in 2013 and later paid for her to attend software coding school.

00:07:58.000 The email came after the convicted sex offender had struggled and failed to persuade Gates to participate in a multi-billion dollar charitable fund that Epstein tried to establish with JPMorgan Chase.

00:08:08.000 And that whole story right there sounds like more blackmail.

00:08:11.000 He went to JPMorgan and said, I want to get a bunch of the richest people in the world to invest a hundred million dollars into this fund and then I get paid millions out of it.

00:08:18.000 They say the implication behind the message, according to people who viewed it, was that Epstein could reveal the affair if Gates didn't keep up an association between the two men.

00:08:27.000 Now, is this why Bill Gates divorced his wife?

00:08:30.000 You think so?

00:08:30.000 Yes.

00:08:31.000 Absolutely.

00:08:32.000 I think that when you're dealing with people that are that wealthy, and in the positions that the people We're in the one people that went to Epstein's Island the positions that they held these people are not motivated by money You know a couple million here a couple million there Bill Gates isn't gonna notice but if you threaten to tell his wife that he's been you know porking some kid

00:08:57.000 That'll go ahead and get some compliance and obedience out of him and that's what it's I think that that's the reason why Epstein's dead and I think that's the reason why the list never came out the people that have been to Epstein Island because they're all probably scummy people that have a lot that had a lot of dirt or that I've seen had a lot of

00:09:17.000 dirt on them and that's what kept them, you know, in line. I think that there are there are very

00:09:22.000 powerful people that have a lot of dirt on people with a lot of money. I couldn't help but notice

00:09:27.000 in that I think it was a PBS interview with Bill Gates. You see that one where it's like, well, he's

00:09:32.000 dead. So, you know, I always say, but here's the thing when he goes, he says, she says, did

00:09:37.000 you learn a lesson here?

00:09:38.000 And he goes, well, he's dead now.

00:09:40.000 So, you know, you always got to be careful.

00:09:42.000 And he's like holding back a smile.

00:09:44.000 And I'm like, it's kind of weird in later context to hear that Bill Gates was being blackmailed by Jeffrey Epstein.

00:09:50.000 And you go back to this interview where he said he was asked if he learned a lesson.

00:09:54.000 And seemingly for no reason, it says he's dead.

00:09:57.000 And so you got to be careful as if to actually imply, if you screw with me, You know what happens. How did this email come out with

00:10:04.000 this data? It's a Wall Street, Wall Street Journal reporting. So someone leaked it to the

00:10:08.000 okay, someone they they it sounds like they actually talks to people who know Bill

00:10:13.000 Gates and even got a quote from a spokeswoman for Bill Gates. Oh, they say Mr. Gates

00:10:20.000 met with Epstein solely for philanthropic purposes. Having failed repeatedly to draw Mr.

00:10:25.000 Gates beyond these matters, Epstein tried unsuccessfully to leverage a past

00:10:28.000 relationship to threaten Mr. Gates.

00:10:31.000 A spokeswoman for Gates confirming Epstein was blackmailing him. Yeah.

00:10:35.000 yeah.

00:10:36.000 The Epstein thing, I got a lot to talk about.

00:10:40.000 This Epstein thing really kind of, it kind of like, it's like a tick burrowing under my skin.

00:10:45.000 I get a call.

00:10:45.000 Let's go.

00:10:46.000 Yeah, this is going to get hairy.

00:10:47.000 You guys ready?

00:10:48.000 No more school.

00:10:48.000 Yes!

00:10:50.000 This is like live YouTube.

00:10:51.000 You ready for this?

00:10:52.000 I don't know if you guys are ready.

00:10:54.000 I get a call about four years ago.

00:10:56.000 It's from, let's say, a friend.

00:10:57.000 Prior line of work thing, right?

00:10:59.000 Guy says listen, and this guy who calls me is an unimpeachable source.

00:11:03.000 This guy's not like some ham and egg or tomato can guy throwing out some theory about a UFO he saw 72 years ago or whatever.

00:11:10.000 This is like a legit no-nonsense guy.

00:11:13.000 Guy you trust with your wife, kid, and car, right?

00:11:17.000 He says, you know, I got sent on a temporary assignment once

00:11:21.000 and on that assignment I got sent out with the WCD detail, William Clinton detail.

00:11:28.000 And I knew this guy well.

00:11:31.000 And he says, Dan, I gotta share this with someone.

00:11:34.000 He says, I go on a plane and Bill, you know, Clinton gets on the plane with this guy and it turns out later the guy's Epstein.

00:11:39.000 Now this guy I'm talking to, this source, he don't know who, you know, Jeffrey Epstein is.

00:11:44.000 He's just getting on the plane doing the thing, the whole, you know, protection gig, right?

00:11:49.000 He says, I get on the plane and there are these girls who are obviously not of age who are on this plane. 0.72

00:11:55.000 They're clearly young.

00:11:57.000 These are not women. 1.00

00:11:58.000 These are girls. 1.00

00:11:59.000 And he says, I see Clinton like disappear into the back with, he goes, I don't know what happened.

00:12:06.000 I'm not saying what happened because all I know is he disappeared and these girls were back there or whatever.

00:12:12.000 And he said they landed the next stop, wherever it was.

00:12:16.000 And he goes up to the boss on the detail and he says, I ain't getting back on this plane.

00:12:22.000 Cause he's, remember he's a temp.

00:12:23.000 He's not, so he's not used to like whatever Clinton was up to with the whole shenanigans thing.

00:12:28.000 And this guy's clear as the driven snowman.

00:12:31.000 He don't want to mess around with this.

00:12:33.000 He says, whatever just happened back there, like I don't want any piece of it.

00:12:35.000 They, you know, they sent him home.

00:12:37.000 They sent that guy home and he never, he's never tempted at detail again.

00:12:42.000 Now remember all those blackberries on that detail.

00:12:46.000 Here's where the story gets super weird.

00:12:49.000 The guy tells me What is it, months or a couple weeks later, when you lose property in the Secret Service, an email goes out, it'll say like, hey, I lost this phone, and it goes, it gets logged into NCIC or whatever it is, and everybody knows.

00:13:03.000 So basically, if you find this guy's gun got verbatim in his phone, it's now effectively stolen property, right?

00:13:09.000 All of a sudden, all the blackberries on that detail For the agents start showing up like, oh, this guy lost his BlackBerry. 0.98

00:13:17.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:13:18.000 Wow. 1.00

00:13:18.000 That's so crazy. 1.00

00:13:19.000 How'd that happen?

00:13:20.000 I'm like, no.

00:13:21.000 He says, yes.

00:13:22.000 He says it was the craziest thing.

00:13:24.000 Like, oh, look, Agent Joey bag of donuts.

00:13:26.000 Missing BlackBerry.

00:13:27.000 Missing BlackBerry.

00:13:28.000 This is around the whole time, like the Clinton thing's going on.

00:13:31.000 So fast forward this story, right?

00:13:33.000 He tells me that.

00:13:34.000 About a year and a half after that, I'm in a green room at Fox, and I'm not going to say who because they didn't give me permission to share it, but the short story, but I know who they are.

00:13:43.000 Says, you know, Epstein's a an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East, right?

00:13:48.000 I'm like, no, I didn't know that.

00:13:49.000 I'm like, you sure that the person let's say is like, I'm absolutely sure that that he's either a winning or unwitting asset intelligence asset meaning.

00:14:01.000 His plane and that island, the cameras, there's a big assumption out there that these videotapes were exclusively in the custody of Epstein.

00:14:09.000 That's a huge mistake.

00:14:11.000 The reason they wanted this story to go away is because there's an assumption like, oh yeah, Epstein had them.

00:14:18.000 No!

00:14:18.000 He wasn't the only one who had them, according to this source.

00:14:21.000 These assets, that's why this blackmail story makes so much sense.

00:14:25.000 Which Middle Eastern countries they are, I don't know, but this person who's a very, very good reporter, I mean, aces, right?

00:14:32.000 Swore Epstein was either a winning or unwitting intelligence asset, and they may have had his plane wired up, and they're the ones who have all this stuff.

00:14:39.000 So the point is, to sum it up, How do you know some of these countries aren't going to some of these power players who aren't making decisions?

00:14:47.000 Because, hey, he wouldn't want this video out there, right?

00:14:50.000 How do you know?

00:14:50.000 A hundred percent.

00:14:52.000 I mean... Let's get personal with Mr. Gates, though.

00:14:55.000 If this is a story of an adult man having adult relations with an adult female outside of his marriage, Is it the biggest deal in the world that needs to be made public?

00:15:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:06.000 What I'm interested in is the underage stuff, the creepos, that evidence coming out.

00:15:11.000 I'm worried that they're doing this with the Bill Gates thing as like red meat, like, oh look, oh yeah. 1.00

00:15:17.000 And it's like, it's not a criminal issue, it's a personal scandal.

00:15:21.000 It's like, oh wow, Bill Gates looks bad.

00:15:23.000 But what about the Maxwell stuff?

00:15:25.000 What about the actual client list?

00:15:27.000 I don't think we should be satisfied by what we're hearing and we should obviously want more.

00:15:30.000 I think you're totally right.

00:15:31.000 I think that the actual crimes that they committed, while they are bad, like, I don't think that's the worst thing that's going on.

00:15:41.000 I think the things that they're being blackmailed to cover up is probably worse than the crimes that they committed.

00:15:49.000 As bad as they are, you know?

00:15:50.000 Well, I was gonna say, I think The stuff that they're being blackmailed to cover up probably is not as bad as what they're doing in secret.

00:15:59.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:16:00.000 Yes, yes.

00:16:00.000 Right, so like we hear a story about, you know, Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre.

00:16:07.000 And you're like, wow, this guy should be in trouble for that.

00:16:09.000 It's like, what did he do to try and hide that?

00:16:11.000 Yes.

00:16:12.000 Because I'm willing to bet a lot of these wealthy guys did something 10 times more evil or supported some real evil stuff.

00:16:18.000 What does he know that someone else knows that he knows that they're threatening to go public about his molesting children?

00:16:26.000 Let's put it this way.

00:16:28.000 You blackmail someone like Bill Gates into giving up millions of dollars to Epstein, who then uses that money for his trafficking purposes, and that is the bigger problem.

00:16:38.000 These guys, who are like, oh no, my affair could be exposed, better fund Epstein, that's the crazy thing here.

00:16:45.000 Don't you find it weird, too, that nobody seems to know what Epstein really did?

00:16:50.000 It's like, oh, they said he was a hedge fund guy.

00:16:53.000 Really?

00:16:53.000 What's the fun?

00:16:54.000 Like the Joey Bag of Donuts hedge funding?

00:16:56.000 Nobody can seem to dig up what this guy, which brings it back to your point.

00:17:01.000 Was that what was happening?

00:17:02.000 Was it some circular, like, hey, it'd be a shame if this got out.

00:17:05.000 Oh, look, a donation to your little thing, which he then uses to do.

00:17:09.000 I mean, that would be a really sick story, even worse than the original, if they were funding this stuff.

00:17:14.000 I think they were.

00:17:15.000 I think, like, how else does this guy have half a billion dollars, a private island and jets?

00:17:20.000 I think the asset thing makes sense because one of the questions that comes up from this is, was he a puppet or was he the mastermind?

00:17:26.000 And I don't think some former high school teacher was the mastermind.

00:17:29.000 I think he was the puppet.

00:17:30.000 I don't know for sure.

00:17:31.000 I mean, it's interesting.

00:17:32.000 There's interesting questions around that.

00:17:34.000 But I would lean towards, I bet he was a puppet and somebody else got away with it. 0.96

00:17:38.000 Oh yeah, especially if this Middle Eastern asset conversation holds water that they're basically laundering their money through Epstein and getting him an island and a place to live and funding his operation and then he's getting Bill Clinton on an airplane and getting him recorded having sex with some girl that's not his wife. 0.97

00:17:55.000 Well he didn't do that.

00:17:57.000 He met this woman, apparently, and then found out about the affair and tried using that as leverage against Gates.

00:18:03.000 From this story, it would seem, the picture they're trying to paint is, Bill Gates never did the more extreme things people are concerned about.

00:18:11.000 That's why I'm like, is this them placating us?

00:18:15.000 Hey, leak them a little bit, so that it seems like Bill Gates' worst thing is that he cheated on his wife?

00:18:20.000 It's called a limited hangout, as opposed to letting it all hang out.

00:18:23.000 A limited hangout is where they only give you a- when, like, there's bad things going on, they tell you the truth about a little thing, or smaller things, so that way you can say, oh, we've told you all this stuff, blah blah blah, but in reality, they're doing it to distract you from the actual big thing.

00:18:38.000 A limited hangout versus letting it all hang out.

00:18:40.000 And then when someone says Bill Gates was on Epstein's plane, they go, oh, we know about that, you know?

00:18:44.000 And then Epstein blackmailed over that woman, but she was an adult.

00:18:48.000 I mean, people aren't talking about, or people often forget the connections that Epstein has with politicians, the Clintons, you know, and that's, I think that probably has a significant amount of substance as well.

00:19:01.000 Even if, like, Bill Clinton wasn't banging little girls on Epstein's Island.

00:19:05.000 It's the connection that he has and the influence.

00:19:08.000 Look at how many people were just dumping money into the Clinton Foundation when Hillary Clinton was running, and then it just like disappeared and evaporated after she lost.

00:19:17.000 No one really questions what was going on with that money and with the Clinton Foundation.

00:19:22.000 I mean, it probably still exists, but the connections between, you know, politicians and Epstein and, you know, I think that that's something worth looking into, and it blows my mind that we're not going to get it, you know?

00:19:36.000 Listen to this story, right?

00:19:39.000 Like, what dirtbags these people who run this country and essentially run the globe are. 1.00

00:19:44.000 Do you ever say something like, what scumbags? 0.99

00:19:46.000 Like, how do you get on a plane with a girl that looks 14 and a dude disappears in the back and you're like, hey, you got popcorn? 0.99

00:19:55.000 Really?

00:19:55.000 Like, right?

00:19:57.000 What kind of sick run this place? 0.97

00:20:00.000 We're talking about business titans and nobody ratted this guy out. 0.97

00:20:04.000 Nobody was like, hey man, that looks kind of suspicious. 0.98

00:20:08.000 What kind of losers are running this place? 0.97

00:20:10.000 What did Buckley say? 0.98

00:20:11.000 I'd rather have, you know, the first hundred names in the phone book than these people who run the country.

00:20:15.000 He's so right.

00:20:16.000 I mean, you look at the guy, like, in this area we're in now, where you get, you know, middle-class people with dirt under their fingernails who, you know, leave their work boots outside, right?

00:20:25.000 These people are a thousand times the man that these losers, who are worth fortunes and have all this power, who basically facilitated this guy's BS.

00:20:35.000 I mean, you'd call that out in a minute, you'd be like, wait, wait, wait, calm down with this, like, what's going on here? 0.88

00:20:40.000 And nobody ratted this guy out?

00:20:42.000 You ever hear of Demarchy?

00:20:44.000 No.

00:20:45.000 Governance at random.

00:20:47.000 So the idea is Congress would be you wake up one day, you go to your mailbox and you go, Oh, honey, I got Congress duty.

00:20:54.000 You know, I gotta go.

00:20:56.000 I gotta go for Congress.

00:20:56.000 It can't be any worse.

00:20:57.000 It'd be better.

00:20:59.000 So the reason I think that'd be better at least to some degree is if it's a limited congressional run where you get duty and you go and there's like they would do the same thing to a jury and ask you questions and stuff and then some people like people could approve or reject is that after you vote for something you got to go back home.

00:21:16.000 You don't get a lifelong appointments, you don't get access, you don't get a lobbying job, and you're sitting there being like, you know, if I vote for this bank bailout, my neighbors are going to scream in my face.

00:21:26.000 I ain't doing it.

00:21:27.000 I'm only... So that's what I, you know, when you mentioned the first hundred names in the phone book, the reason why I think we've got so many problems is that The people we have in government are the people who want power, not the people who want a good country.

00:21:39.000 And I was thinking about this.

00:21:40.000 There's a story about these six women runners on the podium. 1.00

00:21:45.000 First three are advancing to state.

00:21:47.000 Fourth place girl loses because she gets bumped by a biological male.

00:21:53.000 So the first place girl, no complaints.

00:21:55.000 Second place is the biological male, cheering and happy.

00:21:58.000 Third place, female, no complaints. 0.99

00:22:01.000 Fourth place, who would have been in third place, thumbs down, angry, pouting.

00:22:06.000 Then you get fifth and sixth, not a complaint.

00:22:08.000 You know why?

00:22:09.000 None of these people are willing to stick out their necks for their neighbors or their community.

00:22:13.000 And I think that's one of the biggest problems plaguing our country right now.

00:22:17.000 So you end up with politicians like AOC.

00:22:19.000 Who will just lie, cheat, and steal all day, and has a whole bunch of people who aren't smart enough to know that they're being manipulated or cheated, or like it, supporting people like her, and then the people who actually are good people, like, imagine if we had, like, you know, like, uh, Senator Dan Bongino, for instance.

00:22:34.000 Someone who clearly cared and actually believed in something, but here's the thing.

00:22:37.000 I did, but that's why I lost.

00:22:40.000 And this is the issue, right?

00:22:42.000 5.5, 1% or whatever.

00:22:43.000 Yeah, man.

00:22:45.000 But why would a corrupt system want you in that system?

00:22:49.000 They'd be like, this guy, we gotta fight tooth and nail to keep this guy out.

00:22:52.000 And so the good people who really do want positive changes either don't think it's worth the fight because it's painful and have the talents to succeed in other places and be effective in other ways, and the only people who are willing to go in government are the people who are not good at anything except their They're willing to lie, cheat, and steal for power.

00:23:10.000 If you're really good, people will support you, and you will lead with genuine earned authority through, you know, honor.

00:23:18.000 But if you need to seize the title to be someone's leader, I don't think that really implies that you're going to do a very good job.

00:23:24.000 I ran three times, and you learn a lot.

00:23:27.000 I think it's what pissed me off so much, and how I fell into kind of radio and podcasting, because I got so aggravated about the system.

00:23:33.000 And what Tim's saying is right.

00:23:36.000 I mean, people who have very mercenary, me-first, kind of power-hungry attitudes do very well.

00:23:41.000 I'll never forget being in a Capitol Hill club, and I'm running, and it's the first time—my first Senate race, nobody took us seriously.

00:23:48.000 We won the primary by, like, some act of God.

00:23:50.000 Like, I ran for Senate the first time out of the chute.

00:23:52.000 We won the Republican primary.

00:23:54.000 It was, like, the weirdest thing against 10 people, and, you know, by a sliver.

00:23:58.000 But the second time it was kind of serious, like people thought, gosh, this guy can work because we wound up raising like a good chunk of money.

00:24:03.000 But I'm in the Capitol Hill Club and I'm with this, I don't know, some group or something like that.

00:24:08.000 And it was a strange thing.

00:24:09.000 They sent out a questionnaire before you meet with them.

00:24:11.000 And long and short of it, it's about a patent thing.

00:24:13.000 First to file versus first to invent, like something so esoteric, like only really like a limited number of people care about it.

00:24:20.000 And I had a very specific stance on it because it mattered to me, like I researched and did the homework on all the issues.

00:24:25.000 And I'll never forget them, like, almost kind of implying like, hey, you know, if you say the opposite, you know.

00:24:32.000 And I thought you know how many people probably just told him yes for a cheap campaign donation because they don't care like no one's even gonna notice and I remember walking out I'm not I'm trying to like virtue signal anyone I mean I'm a sinner like but I I like anyone else but I wasn't doing that like because I knew once you once you kind of Once you sold a little bit of your skin, the pound of flesh was next.

00:24:50.000 And I'm like, I'm not doing it.

00:24:51.000 And I walked out and I was like, nah, man, like that's my position.

00:24:54.000 I appreciate you meeting with me.

00:24:55.000 I hope you'll reconsider later on, but I'm not doing squat.

00:24:58.000 I'm not selling on anything.

00:25:00.000 And then when I ran, you know, we were in the general, you know, against this guy in this congressional district, Delaney, who's since left, he ran for president and left.

00:25:08.000 They had this Tron cat now.

00:25:10.000 But I remember everyone telling me, oh, listen, you need to moderate.

00:25:14.000 You need to moderate.

00:25:16.000 It's a D plus six district.

00:25:17.000 No Republican's gonna win as a conservative.

00:25:20.000 If you just don't mention abortion or anything like that. 0.98

00:25:24.000 And I gotta tell you, man, this is why I think focus groups in politics are full of bullshitters now, because everything they told me was fake. 0.98

00:25:30.000 I never changed a damn thing. 0.98

00:25:32.000 We lost by one point.

00:25:34.000 Everyone else who ran lost by 15.

00:25:36.000 So I don't believe any of that, you know.

00:25:39.000 I was sitting in a group after Mitt Romney lost to Obama down in D.C.

00:25:43.000 This group I was a part of, this groundswell group, which was good people, and there was this focus group guy in there and he's like, don't ever mention immigration again, we're never gonna win. 1.00

00:25:53.000 These guys are so stupid. 1.00

00:25:54.000 Trump literally runs on build the wall and wins Pennsylvania for the first time ever. 1.00

00:26:00.000 That's why I just, you Good candidates find a way to overcome with good messaging. 0.99

00:26:04.000 If you can stick it on a damn Wheaties box and explain it to someone, you can win. 1.00

00:26:09.000 The problem is, like Tim said, you get so many mercenary jerks. 1.00

00:26:12.000 They're just terrible messengers. 1.00

00:26:14.000 They're just really bad.

00:26:15.000 And that's why I think the Republican Party, without the defense of the media, we just continue to lose.

00:26:19.000 I think good people don't want to do bad things to win.

00:26:23.000 Like you were saying, you don't want to compromise your values.

00:26:25.000 How do you win against someone?

00:26:27.000 You're playing a game of Monopoly.

00:26:28.000 I'll put it this way.

00:26:29.000 And the guy you're playing against keeps pulling money out of the bank and sticking it in his pocket.

00:26:32.000 And you're like, hey, you can't do that.

00:26:33.000 And he's like, no, it's fine.

00:26:34.000 How do you win against somebody when they're just like, I'm going to keep doing no matter what you do?

00:26:37.000 You're actually playing against the people that are drawing the board on the table.

00:26:40.000 And like, how do you win when someone can just rewrite the complete structure of the board itself?

00:26:45.000 Like Kennedy tried.

00:26:46.000 John Kennedy.

00:26:47.000 Yeah.

00:26:48.000 You know, he said out loud, I'm going to change the structure of the board, you guys.

00:26:50.000 And they're like, no, we're going to rewrite the board so that you're dead, John.

00:26:53.000 You got an establishment Democrats and Republicans and they work together.

00:26:58.000 They do not like actual politicians.

00:27:02.000 So what I end up seeing is you get a Trump and why do people like Trump so much is because he's finally somebody who he's talked a long time about running and saying he wouldn't do it.

00:27:12.000 Remember that interview back in the day with I think it was Oprah and he's like, you know, I wouldn't run but if I did hear the things that I would focus on and he finally decides he is going to run.

00:27:21.000 And it feels like, I think to a lot of people, it's the first time someone who should run is actually running, despite his crass personality.

00:27:30.000 You know, he's a guy who is not supposed to be the politician.

00:27:34.000 The politicians all wear the same suits, they all talk the same way, they all pander in the same ways.

00:27:39.000 Hillary Clinton shows up in, you know, whatever state with a fake southern accent. 1.00

00:27:42.000 AEOC shows up to a rally and does a fake Puerto Rican, Latina thing.

00:27:49.000 It's fake, it's fake.

00:27:50.000 And then you get a Trump, and sure he might be rude, but people kind of feel like... We keep asking for people to run for office who are real people who actually care, and they don't want to do it.

00:28:01.000 Why would you?

00:28:02.000 It's torture!

00:28:04.000 fighting that machine. In this environment, the system isn't built right at the moment.

00:28:08.000 With all this technology, we still have to mail pieces of paper across the world and hope that

00:28:13.000 it lands on a box and gets counted and that they're just going to tell us the answer and

00:28:17.000 we have to believe what they tell us. That's 1870 technology. And why would I want to be

00:28:22.000 part of a system that is 100% disagree with you?

00:28:25.000 You're totally wrong, Ian, I gotta tell you.

00:28:28.000 Back in the day, there were much less people, and there were physical ballots that could be checked with tons of people standing around staring.

00:28:34.000 Now it's all code behind the scenes you can't see.

00:28:37.000 We should be able to see the candidate.

00:28:39.000 Who can understand it?

00:28:40.000 I'm actually arguing your own point with your own point.

00:28:43.000 We've long talked about how the problem is proprietary private election systems instead of publicly controlled open source ones.

00:28:54.000 But the point I was getting to is not to open up the box of worms on do we trust certain companies.

00:29:00.000 My point is simply the quality of candidate is very, very low.

00:29:03.000 It's been proven.

00:29:04.000 The people that are leading the world are in the private sector right now.

00:29:07.000 Politicians do have some sway over the military.

00:29:09.000 Fortunately or unfortunately, okay.

00:29:12.000 But really, the people that are in control of Earth are the people that own Google.

00:29:16.000 Or Elon Musk.

00:29:17.000 People that are very, very wealthy.

00:29:18.000 They own the oil.

00:29:21.000 You don't know their names sometimes, so I think that the real quality leaders aren't drawn to politics, they're drawn to business.

00:29:27.000 Because business is more so meritocratic.

00:29:30.000 So why is it that Dan Bongino and I both run these shows?

00:29:33.000 I mean, you tried to run for office.

00:29:35.000 Instead, you have one of the biggest shows in the world.

00:29:38.000 Instead.

00:29:39.000 Actually, fair question.

00:29:41.000 Let me ask you directly, how does it happen that you wanted to get in office, you wanted to make that change, instead you're doing something different in terms of making that change?

00:29:51.000 God loves him?

00:29:54.000 You tried going the route of being a civic leader, instead you became an influential personality.

00:29:58.000 Yeah, that happened by accident.

00:30:00.000 I mean, I, you know, the whole story of me running for office is just crazy.

00:30:05.000 I'm in my 12th year as an agent, I'm, you know, 13 years away from retiring, and the thing is, I'm done with the worst part of my career.

00:30:13.000 The President's Detail.

00:30:14.000 You think, oh, everybody loves The President's Detail.

00:30:16.000 No, no, they hate it.

00:30:17.000 They love going there because it's distinguished.

00:30:19.000 That's the thing.

00:30:20.000 When you go to the Secret Service, we had like 5,000, 4,000 agents.

00:30:23.000 A limited number of people ever get there.

00:30:26.000 Everybody thinks everybody goes to The President's Detail.

00:30:27.000 It's actually a small number of guys.

00:30:29.000 So if you get picked, it's like a big deal.

00:30:32.000 So I finished.

00:30:33.000 I had done lead advances.

00:30:34.000 I left at the top of my game.

00:30:36.000 The rest of your career is pretty much, honestly, you re-litigating what you did on the PPD, Presidential Protective Division.

00:30:43.000 You know, you're reliving your glory days, you know?

00:30:45.000 It's like high school Harry telling that pass you threw in the fourth quarter to win the game.

00:30:50.000 So I'm done.

00:30:50.000 I'm in the Baltimore field office.

00:30:52.000 Life is good.

00:30:53.000 I'm investigating cases, which I love.

00:30:55.000 I was a criminal investigator at first, but I just love that stuff.

00:31:01.000 You know, I just, I saw Obama win and obviously I'm, you know, I'm getting ready to transfer to his detail because I'm on Bush's detail.

00:31:10.000 And you know, it's weird for us, the Secret Service, because one night, I mean literally one night Bush walks out of the bedroom and the next night it's Obama.

00:31:16.000 Like nothing changes for you.

00:31:18.000 It's the same post.

00:31:20.000 And I had said, I had said to my wife about Obama.

00:31:25.000 When I saw him give the speech at John Kerry's nomination, when John Kerry ran.

00:31:29.000 Remember he gave that speech?

00:31:30.000 It was electric.

00:31:31.000 I said, man, this guy's going to be big trouble.

00:31:34.000 She remembers it to this day.

00:31:34.000 Huge trouble.

00:31:36.000 And I knew the country was in some really deep shit. 0.99

00:31:39.000 I knew we were in trouble bad. 0.98

00:31:41.000 And I emailed this local Anne Arundel County.

00:31:44.000 I lived in Anne Arundel County, Maryland.

00:31:47.000 I emailed this guy, found him online.

00:31:49.000 His name was Jerry Walker.

00:31:51.000 I said, Hey Jerry, I'm just a guy, man.

00:31:53.000 I saw this speech last night.

00:31:54.000 The country's going to hell.

00:31:56.000 I want to get involved.

00:31:57.000 He emailed me back in like 20 minutes.

00:31:59.000 It was like 11 o'clock at night.

00:32:01.000 He said, there's a local Republican club near you called the elephant club.

00:32:05.000 Just show up.

00:32:05.000 And that's, that's how the whole thing started.

00:32:08.000 And then just a couple months later, I looked at my wife and I've been bothering her.

00:32:13.000 I said, I got to leave.

00:32:14.000 I got to get out of here.

00:32:14.000 I got to leave.

00:32:15.000 Maybe six months later, I said, I got to go do something.

00:32:18.000 I got to do something bigger than this, man. 1.00

00:32:20.000 I can't just watch the country go to shit. 0.99

00:32:22.000 I mean, I'm getting a paycheck. 1.00

00:32:23.000 You know, government's bills are always cleared for me.

00:32:26.000 Everyone else is getting, you know, they're still dealing with the recession.

00:32:29.000 And I felt like, man, this ain't right.

00:32:32.000 I'm not a citizen grifter here.

00:32:35.000 I know my job's important, keeping this cat alive in the White House, but I can't do this, man.

00:32:41.000 So I said, I think I want to run for office.

00:32:43.000 My wife thought I was nuts, man. 0.74

00:32:45.000 She thought I was totally bananas. 0.61

00:32:46.000 But to her credit, she's always willing to take a chance, man.

00:32:50.000 She's like, all right, you know what?

00:32:51.000 You want to run?

00:32:52.000 We're at a Cinco de Mayo party in a cul-de-sac.

00:32:54.000 I'm probably like, 45 tequilas to the wind at that point, who knows?

00:32:58.000 And she looked at me and goes, you're really going to want to do this, right?

00:33:01.000 I said, yeah.

00:33:01.000 She said, all right, do it.

00:33:03.000 I resigned.

00:33:04.000 I gave him two weeks notice and I left and I jumped into US Senate race.

00:33:07.000 Everybody laughed. 1.00

00:33:08.000 They said, look at this idiot. 1.00

00:33:10.000 Who's this moron? 1.00

00:33:11.000 I had no, I had nothing. 1.00

00:33:12.000 No money.

00:33:13.000 I had five emails a guy had given me for local reporters.

00:33:16.000 You know, we won that primary.

00:33:18.000 We raised $1.2 million.

00:33:19.000 Wow.

00:33:20.000 We won that primary.

00:33:21.000 There's still stickers with your name on it out here.

00:33:24.000 That race was serious.

00:33:25.000 That was the next one.

00:33:26.000 The Senate race we got annihilated.

00:33:28.000 It was a three-person race.

00:33:29.000 We got crushed.

00:33:30.000 The Independent actually spent more money than all of us.

00:33:32.000 He spent seven million bucks.

00:33:34.000 He finished third.

00:33:35.000 I finished second.

00:33:36.000 Cardin won.

00:33:37.000 But then we ran for re-election here, and that race was serious, man.

00:33:42.000 A lot of people were like, dude, this guy's not screwing around, man.

00:33:46.000 Like, we would show up at the Brunswick Parade.

00:33:48.000 The Brunswick Parade, we had these yellow shirts.

00:33:50.000 The pictures are still on my Instagram.

00:33:52.000 We'd show up with 150 people for a congressional race, walking down the street in yellow t-shirts, and everyone was like, who the hell is this guy, man?

00:34:02.000 And for people who don't know, Brunswick is not very big.

00:34:04.000 No, it's not big at all.

00:34:05.000 You look at the pictures, these thin streets, and it's hills all over.

00:34:09.000 We came down, there's a picture of a yellow prowler.

00:34:12.000 This volunteer of mine had a yellow prowler and we had yellow shirts.

00:34:15.000 It looks like an army invading Brunswick.

00:34:18.000 I'm telling you, man, and you know what killed me in that race? 1.00

00:34:21.000 We would have won that race.

00:34:22.000 I got a job and a job offer.

00:34:24.000 It was a pretty significant job offer because I was filling in on radio while I was running, which is a major no-no because it's equal time stuff.

00:34:31.000 How these candidates didn't catch on is crazy.

00:34:34.000 But we were tearing it up on radio.

00:34:36.000 I get a job offer like a month out from the election.

00:34:39.000 Yeah, maybe two months, whatever.

00:34:41.000 About two months out. 0.99

00:34:43.000 And I'm like, shit, what do I do? 0.99

00:34:44.000 I can't drop out. 0.99

00:34:45.000 And I'm like, we didn't think we were going to win.

00:34:47.000 And I'm like, I made a commitment.

00:34:50.000 I made a promise.

00:34:51.000 But for like a week, I thought this thing through because it was like life changing for me, what was going to happen.

00:34:57.000 And I did the right thing.

00:34:58.000 I turned it down.

00:34:58.000 But I swear in that week, if we just would have knocked on a few more doors, we would have won that race, man.

00:35:03.000 I mean, it was devastating on election night.

00:35:05.000 It was devastating.

00:35:06.000 We won on election night.

00:35:08.000 Were the votes tallied on a machine with proprietary software code?

00:35:12.000 I don't know, man.

00:35:14.000 But that Frederick City thing I told you about still freaks me out that all those people voted and claimed they weren't citizens.

00:35:19.000 I was like, what was it about Obama that freaked you out on that first speech you heard?

00:35:25.000 Listen man, it was kind of old school collectivism repackaged with a bow under the guise of faux bravado citizenry.

00:35:34.000 Like, oh look at me, I'm so pro-America, I got this success story.

00:35:38.000 What's your success story again?

00:35:40.000 You were a community organizer, just to be clear.

00:35:45.000 But you get how it was packaged in liberty-oriented, capitalism-based ideas?

00:35:50.000 Like, oh my gosh, I overcame all... I'm sorry, what did you overcome again?

00:35:55.000 You were a community organizer.

00:35:57.000 What exactly did you do?

00:35:59.000 But I saw the guy, I'll never forget where I was.

00:36:02.000 I'm in the Shelbourne Hotel in Manhattan because I'm getting ready as a counter-surveillance agent for the Republican National Convention, which was in New York, which was after that.

00:36:11.000 So I'm watching him give this speech on TV.

00:36:14.000 And I'm thinking of every corrupt, destructive Marxist-based politician in human history.

00:36:21.000 What have they had the gift of more than anything? 0.99

00:36:23.000 It's the gift of the ability to expel carbon dioxide, man, and talk and convince people that this old bullshit idea they were packaging is new again. 0.98

00:36:32.000 And I heard it. 0.99

00:36:33.000 I heard it new again.

00:36:34.000 I heard it new again. 0.99

00:36:35.000 I heard old-school Marxist claptrap garbage packaged in a way that even I'm listening going, damn, that's good. 0.99

00:36:44.000 Let's talk about this story here from the Daily Signal. 0.99

00:36:46.000 Exclusive leaked policy exposes Fox News' stance on woke ideology.

00:36:52.000 So of course the big story Tucker Carlson gets ousted.

00:36:54.000 Several reports have said he got the boot because it was part of the Dominion settlement.

00:36:59.000 But Dan you had a show there, a huge show.

00:37:01.000 So I don't know if you have any insights into this but I'll just say outright this is like a big exclusive where apparently now people are coming up from Fox News saying inside the company it is woke, it is very lefty.

00:37:11.000 I think the obvious thing is you're in New York City.

00:37:14.000 You got New York City laws.

00:37:16.000 These laws are pretty broad.

00:37:19.000 And I'm gonna get into the heaviness of these laws, but I'm curious, your experience at Fox News, you know, you go from politics, then you're into, you know, radio, now your personality, now you've got a show on Fox News.

00:37:29.000 Did you see any of this woke stuff there?

00:37:31.000 Yeah, man.

00:37:32.000 I mean, it was real.

00:37:33.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:37:34.000 I didn't work in Fox in New York.

00:37:36.000 I had my own studio in Florida.

00:37:38.000 And I gotta tell you, Fox never did me wrong.

00:37:41.000 Like, we would fight about a lot of stuff.

00:37:43.000 And, you know, I said I was talking to Megyn Kelly about this last week.

00:37:47.000 But it wasn't anything unusual you wouldn't see on a show.

00:37:50.000 I mean, it wasn't like, oh, don't cover that topic.

00:37:53.000 I set off and they never told me what to talk about because I just would have talked about it anyway.

00:37:58.000 I mean, there's a reason.

00:37:59.000 I didn't use a prompter on a lot of my segments.

00:38:02.000 Some of them we did, but that doesn't happen at Fox.

00:38:05.000 Like almost nobody.

00:38:06.000 I think there's one host.

00:38:08.000 I don't think Cavuto uses a prompter, but it's for different reasons.

00:38:11.000 But almost nobody.

00:38:14.000 It goes without a prompter.

00:38:15.000 Matter of fact, I had Jesse on as a guest one day in New York.

00:38:19.000 Rarely I would do my show from New York, like once or twice a quarter or something.

00:38:23.000 And Jesse came in, and I did this big rant, and he's looking at a prompter, and it just says, like, Dan Adlib.

00:38:30.000 And I go on, and he's like, dude, you did that out of your head?

00:38:32.000 And he's like, well, how'd you hit the mark and stuff?

00:38:34.000 I said, you know, I'm used to when we talk radio, like we did our thing.

00:38:38.000 So no one ever told me what to say, because I wouldn't have listened anyway.

00:38:41.000 But here's the thing.

00:38:42.000 Tim brings up a point, because It's hard.

00:38:47.000 I know it's easy to pile on and if anybody has a reason to be angry with everything going on, it's me.

00:38:53.000 I was there.

00:38:53.000 I'm pissed about what happened.

00:38:57.000 I am.

00:38:58.000 The relationship there I put a lot of time into.

00:39:00.000 But he's not wrong.

00:39:01.000 I mean, forget this stuff for a second.

00:39:03.000 I'll get to that.

00:39:04.000 I'm not trying to avoid it, but I'll give you a perfect example.

00:39:07.000 The vaccine thing.

00:39:08.000 They did everything they can with me to make it easy for people to not get canned with the mandate.

00:39:13.000 But they were in New York.

00:39:14.000 They would have shut the building down. 0.56

00:39:18.000 I live that.

00:39:19.000 They did everything they could to make sure nobody got canned.

00:39:22.000 Like, okay, you're going to do this and you're going to do remote stuff. 1.00

00:39:25.000 All right, would I like them to like punch him in the face in New York and say, this is stupid, we're not doing it? 0.99

00:39:31.000 Yeah, but with this, this is different. 1.00

00:39:34.000 I mean, this is kind of like, I read the story, looks like they've really went overboard with this.

00:39:40.000 You got to remember, you got a lot of serious conservatives there.

00:39:43.000 How are they going to feel?

00:39:44.000 Say you're a female conservative host there, which they have a few. 1.00

00:39:49.000 You're popping in a bathroom and a guy walks in?

00:39:53.000 How's that gonna go down there?

00:39:54.000 Have they thought this through?

00:39:55.000 Has Fox News considered maybe leaving New York?

00:39:59.000 They should.

00:40:00.000 They should.

00:40:00.000 I mean, listen, after the Tucker thing, they've got bigger problems.

00:40:05.000 I mean, I don't, I'm not sure.

00:40:07.000 A lot of people linked their book.

00:40:08.000 This is a great, I mean, can I read something?

00:40:09.000 It's quick, I promise.

00:40:10.000 I hate when people read stuff I didn't see.

00:40:12.000 But this was, someone gave this up to Breitbart, and this kind of explains it all.

00:40:16.000 They said, because this is kind of accurate.

00:40:18.000 They're talking about why me and Tucker weren't re-signed. 0.99

00:40:22.000 And some source told him, this is from a Map Oil piece, that Bongino and Carlson, one source said, were considered the two most likely to say fuck you to management. 0.99

00:40:33.000 The reason right here, a network insider said, adding that Bongino gave zero fucks and Tucker gave even less fucks. 0.99

00:40:42.000 That's kind of true. 0.51

00:40:44.000 That's why I'm not furious at them because I wasn't the easiest guy to work with.

00:40:49.000 I'm not going to mess up.

00:40:50.000 How did it end?

00:40:52.000 You were just doing it and then they fired you?

00:40:53.000 No, no.

00:40:54.000 So the show was number one.

00:40:56.000 I mean, demo and overall, you know, that's, you can't get higher than number one.

00:41:01.000 Like we were rocking it, man.

00:41:02.000 We were pulling in killer numbers.

00:41:04.000 We were at 10 and at nine at both spots.

00:41:07.000 And they wanted to re-sign for about six months.

00:41:10.000 And I don't have an agent.

00:41:11.000 I do my own deals always.

00:41:13.000 I don't need it.

00:41:14.000 I like my own stuff.

00:41:15.000 So I was the one doing all the negotiating.

00:41:17.000 There was never a question they wanted to show, ever.

00:41:20.000 And then about, I don't know, about two weeks out, at the end of the contract was, I think, April 30th or whatever.

00:41:28.000 I don't remember off the top of my head.

00:41:30.000 But about two weeks out, I noticed the tone changed completely.

00:41:34.000 And I don't know what happened.

00:41:37.000 At that point, I wanted to re-up for a year.

00:41:40.000 I wanted to re-up for a year.

00:41:41.000 And I said, let's just punt this down the road and let's re-up for a year.

00:41:45.000 And then, I don't know, it just seemed like they weren't interested.

00:41:47.000 But, you know, the people I was dealing with there?

00:41:51.000 They were genuine with me.

00:41:53.000 They never bullshitted me at all.

00:41:54.000 No one ever said to me something that didn't happen, so I can't sit here and say, again, it's easy for me to pile on, and I have no reason, I don't work there, I'm probably never gonna work there again, I may never do a hit again on Fox, but I'm not gonna tell anybody fairy tales that aren't true, because that's like short-run clickbait stuff, but in the long run, it dings your credibility.

00:42:12.000 Now the Tucker story, it's got some angles to it.

00:42:16.000 So I don't know if something happened last minute, That post-Dominion, where they were like, let's just clean house and get rid of these two?

00:42:23.000 I don't know that, but, you know, things did change the last two weeks.

00:42:26.000 So here's the interesting thing about this leaked policy exposing Fox News' stance on woke ideology.

00:42:33.000 They say things that I think are kind of obvious, considering Fox is based in New York City, that your gender identity is protected, whether or not it conforms.

00:42:44.000 This is New York City and state law, I'm pretty sure.

00:42:47.000 And I've long talked about how the laws in New York City open the door for a major, major problem if anyone actually chooses to put it to the test.

00:42:58.000 So in the Daily Signal article, they actually link to the New York City Commission on Human Rights definitions.

00:43:03.000 They say gender expression is the representation of gender as expressed through one's name, pronouns, clothing, hairstyle, behavior, voice, or similar characteristics.

00:43:11.000 Gender expression may or may not conform to gender stereotypes, norms, and expectations in a given culture or historical period.

00:43:20.000 It actually says that, meaning if you put on a safari costume from the 1800s and call yourself the colonel with a fake beard, that is quite literally what they're referring to.

00:43:29.000 Historical period?

00:43:30.000 You can dress up like a pirate.

00:43:32.000 They wouldn't put historical period as protected unless they expected people to dress up like colonial era pirates.

00:43:37.000 You cannot run a conservative company out of New York City.

00:43:41.000 You cannot.

00:43:42.000 There is no way.

00:43:44.000 You realize this was the intention of the left, hijacking corporate America too, right?

00:43:48.000 You know, HRC and the DEI, I call it the DAI stuff.

00:43:52.000 The ESG stuff.

00:43:53.000 Because they want you to violate your own core tenant principles, which does what?

00:43:57.000 It obviously alienates you from the core audience that funds you.

00:44:01.000 By the way, my producer, Guy, downstairs watching the chat.

00:44:03.000 What up, Guy?

00:44:04.000 He says, the chat's convinced you're on drugs.

00:44:06.000 They're not used to the energy.

00:44:10.000 I am not on any professional narcotics!

00:44:13.000 He didn't even have any of our coffee!

00:44:15.000 I didn't even have any of the coffee!

00:44:16.000 This is my natural state of being.

00:44:18.000 Here's what I want to say about the law in New York City, though.

00:44:22.000 Because I think we need some strong people at Fox News.

00:44:25.000 If there's anywhere that would be willing to test the limits of these laws, it's someone who works at Fox News, who understands this is going too far.

00:44:33.000 If you work at Fox News, you can put on a full wolf fursuit, Tell your boss your name is Vulsiferon, Herald of the Winter Mists, and your pronouns are Lord Vulsiferon and Lord Vulsiferons.

00:44:44.000 And if they don't use it, they're in violation of the law.

00:44:47.000 Now, as I've mentioned before, I've talked to lawyers about this in New York who said you'll be laughed out of the courtroom.

00:44:53.000 Why would the law say historical period?

00:44:55.000 Fine.

00:44:56.000 Show up to Fox as an on-air contributor dressed like a pirate with an eyepatch and go, Yar!

00:45:01.000 Thanks for having me on the air, matey!

00:45:03.000 And if they have a problem with it and tell you, you can't go on to say, if you don't let me go on, I will file a complaint with the Commission on Human Rights in New York City for violation of their human rights law.

00:45:13.000 Let's see how quickly Fox News bends over backwards.

00:45:17.000 Here's what I want to see.

00:45:19.000 Will Fox News at that point say, we cannot allow people to show up dressed like pirates?

00:45:25.000 Or, or, uh, I mean, it says anything.

00:45:27.000 Caveman.

00:45:27.000 You could dress up like, yeah.

00:45:29.000 Or a Roman in a toga. 1.00

00:45:33.000 And then, go on the air.

00:45:35.000 If they bar you from going on the air, they're in violation of the law.

00:45:38.000 Now, go before a judge and say, Your Honor, this is how I express my gender as someone who's non-binary, and it says in the law, historical period is explicitly protected.

00:45:48.000 No judge is gonna be able to laugh you out.

00:45:49.000 There's no other interpretation of that.

00:45:51.000 It all depends on the judge.

00:45:52.000 Sure, but if the law itself says historical period... Now look, when I first read this law back in 2019, I said, what would happen... I called a bunch of human rights lawyers in New York and said, what would happen if I went in dressed like a wolf or something and said I was vociferon?

00:46:06.000 They said, They'd still fire you, kick you out, and when you go to a judge they'll say, we know what the intent of the law is and this is not it, and they will laugh you out of the courtroom.

00:46:15.000 And I said, if a judge has the right to laugh at me for the way I dress, why not a man dressed like a woman? 0.76

00:46:21.000 And they're like, well, I mean, the purpose of the law and the intent is... And I was like, okay, so there could be a judge who just says no?

00:46:27.000 This is different.

00:46:28.000 This law explicitly says historical period.

00:46:32.000 That means if you go before a judge dressed like a pirate and say it says historical period, this makes me feel the most comfortable and confident in my gender.

00:46:40.000 Why can't I dress up like a busty female pirate from the 1700s with an eyepatch? 0.98

00:46:45.000 And a fake peddler.

00:46:46.000 Like Keira Knightley from Pirates of the Caribbean?

00:46:49.000 Absolutely.

00:46:50.000 And if the judge says, I reject this historical period clothing, which clearly falls in line, then the law is basically meaningless.

00:46:50.000 Or a nudist.

00:46:59.000 But I'm curious, because I'll tell you this, if it were me and I worked at Fox News, and this story came out, I would show up the next day dressed like a pirate.

00:47:07.000 And I would get like legit Hollywood production quality pirate costume, and I'd be like, I am going on the air, dressed like a pirate, talking like this, yarrr!

00:47:17.000 Welcome to the news program!

00:47:19.000 And if they had a problem with it, it's a violation of the law.

00:47:23.000 Is Fox News at that point going, they're gonna be presented with one of two scenarios.

00:47:28.000 Destroy your audience, sacrifice your audience for the local New York City laws, or relocate.

00:47:35.000 You mentioned the New York City laws, and I think there's merit to that, but I do think that the ESG considerations from the investors and stuff, I think that has a significant amount of pressure put on them as well.

00:47:49.000 So I think that the combination of the two is probably the most likely reason.

00:47:52.000 But that part of the story puzzled me the most, that apparently they are pitching their high HRC score as like a net positive.

00:48:00.000 As a conservative network, that's a stain on your network from that.

00:48:05.000 But there's big investors that are like BlackRock and stuff like that, these investment firms and stuff like that, that have a significant effect on the direction of the corporation.

00:48:16.000 It opens opportunities if you play by their rules.

00:48:19.000 So it may affect your bottom line and Fox may lose viewers because of the woke stuff coming out, but BlackRock and stuff like that will promise opportunities in the future.

00:48:32.000 See, Fox's business model, though, is not what everybody thinks it is.

00:48:35.000 Most of their money actually comes from carriage fees.

00:48:38.000 Now, advertising is obviously a good chunk of it, too, and they don't want to lose it.

00:48:41.000 But the hard reality is, even though they were losing some money on Tucker's show due to boycotts and other stuff, Fox News was still generating a good chunk of change.

00:48:49.000 I mean, they were not in any danger of going bankrupt or anything like that.

00:48:52.000 What are carriage fees?

00:48:54.000 Carriage fees are fees paid to a cable channel to be carried on like say Verizon, these cable packages.

00:49:01.000 So because nobody will get cable without Fox, very few people, they get paid a certain amount of money for each user.

00:49:07.000 So the problem Fox is going to have that's bigger than boycotts, ad boycotts, are cord cutters. 0.92

00:49:13.000 Because if you're getting a carriage fee of whatever, say a dollar a person and there's a hundred million people with cable, you got a hundred million in the can before you sold a freaking ad.

00:49:23.000 The problem is the cord cutting is speeding up.

00:49:25.000 That's why when I decided I was going to do interviews after leaving Fox, I've only done two and they've both been new media.

00:49:32.000 You guys and Megyn Kelly, because I am an avid supporter of new media.

00:49:36.000 This cord cutting picks up shows like this. 0.86

00:49:39.000 You have to understand, like, this is gonna be a dumb box in the future, okay? 0.93

00:49:42.000 They call it a smartphone. 0.99

00:49:43.000 It's really a dumb box. 0.98

00:49:44.000 It's gonna be a transmission vehicle. 0.99

00:49:46.000 People are going to want to watch Tim Pool.

00:49:49.000 Tim Pool's gonna be your eight o'clock guy, whatever.

00:49:51.000 Tim Pool's your eight.

00:49:52.000 Whether you watch it on this, an iPad, a computer, or a monitor, with smart TVs, it's gonna be totally irrelevant.

00:49:58.000 The cable box is done.

00:50:00.000 We just bought a house, and the guy comes over to, we needed a cable, traditional cable, because I still watch cable, Newsmax and Fox and stuff.

00:50:08.000 The guy goes, cable box?

00:50:10.000 He goes, no, we don't even have those.

00:50:11.000 You got to go pick one up yourself.

00:50:12.000 Well, what do you mean?

00:50:12.000 You're the cable guy.

00:50:13.000 He goes, no, we don't do that.

00:50:14.000 He goes, everybody streams now.

00:50:16.000 The guy says he hasn't hooked up a cable box in days.

00:50:18.000 I said, really?

00:50:19.000 We're the only ones.

00:50:20.000 I felt like I was from the Flintstones.

00:50:22.000 So Fox makes a lot of money from that.

00:50:24.000 But you're not wrong.

00:50:25.000 There is pressure from places like BlackRock that can buy up a lot and can buy up your stock.

00:50:30.000 But if your brand and your value-added, right, is, hey, we're going to be the conservative channel, then I'm sorry, but you've got to do conservative stuff.

00:50:39.000 I mean, their opinion part is conservative.

00:50:42.000 They've got to leave New York.

00:50:43.000 Who owns it?

00:50:44.000 Who owns Fox?

00:50:44.000 I'm looking.

00:50:45.000 It's 39% Murdoch.

00:50:46.000 It's only 39%, though.

00:50:48.000 So who owns the other 50?

00:50:53.000 Someone superchatted and said, what if the historical period was pre-Civil War, Southern Belle?

00:50:58.000 So if you work at Fox News, show up and say you identify as your gender is non-binary antebellum, and wear old pre-Civil War... You'd be thrown out of there so fast! 0.96

00:51:11.000 They can't do that!

00:51:11.000 This is the problem.

00:51:12.000 Look, if they want to create these laws, all it takes is someone with the willingness to be like, let's see if, like, let's play a game of chicken.

00:51:20.000 Is Fox News... Look, Fox News is perfect for this because the people who work at MSNBC like what MSNBC does.

00:51:28.000 The people who work at Fox clearly oppose, not all of them, but a lot of them, the ideology.

00:51:32.000 Is Fox going to say, we will lose our audience and go out of business?

00:51:36.000 Or will we move?

00:51:38.000 So it's like the pressure is on, man.

00:51:39.000 If you work there, you can make the difference.

00:51:41.000 But I wonder, have they made a commitment ever since Tucker and I, you know, departed from the network?

00:51:48.000 Have they made a commitment to kind of become like a right-of-center network rather than what they were, thinking that that's where the money is?

00:51:56.000 Because you've got to remember, everyone who's tried that has failed.

00:51:59.000 I could go through a list of probably four or five online outlets.

00:52:02.000 It started as Explicitly Right, Conservative Right-Leaning.

00:52:06.000 Who decided to play down that?

00:52:07.000 You know what?

00:52:08.000 Remember IJ Review was hot?

00:52:08.000 IJ.

00:52:10.000 Man, when it started, they were doing these like nugget videos and vine-like videos.

00:52:15.000 They were hot.

00:52:16.000 They're still around, whether they're profitable, I don't know, but they were blowing up.

00:52:20.000 They were doing right-leaning stuff.

00:52:22.000 And then someone, I don't know who, pitched them this idea of, hey, let's play it down the middle.

00:52:27.000 The problem with playing it down the middle is you just piss off both sides.

00:52:30.000 And you got to understand, like, the politics now are very manichaean.

00:52:34.000 They're just, this is it, like the next fight is the end and the next election is the end.

00:52:39.000 Whether that's true or not, I hope it isn't.

00:52:42.000 Unfortunately, people feel that way.

00:52:44.000 It's not the middle, it's establishment.

00:52:47.000 If you are someone like Jimmy Dore, who's very clearly a leftist, but you are, if you're honest about the news... Yeah, I love Jimmy Dore.

00:52:53.000 Exactly.

00:52:54.000 I played a clip of him, that's funny, on my podcast today.

00:52:57.000 It's hilarious.

00:52:57.000 Jimmy Dore will argue socialist economic points, and you'll be like, well, Jimmy, I think you're clearly wrong about that, and then you'll come to the issue of Epstein, or Clinton, or the banks, and you'll completely agree, because he's honest.

00:53:08.000 Jimmy doesn't buy into the religion either.

00:53:10.000 Right.

00:53:10.000 Like, the whole religion part, the ideology that goes along with it, it's like Jimmy's straight up about, like, the actual material conditions, which is more close to, like, original Marxism, with What is it?

00:53:24.000 Class-based?

00:53:24.000 Yeah, materialism.

00:53:25.000 I forget the phrase that he used, but he was really focused on materialism.

00:53:30.000 And Jimmy Dore does that.

00:53:31.000 He doesn't get into the... what basically boils down to the...

00:53:37.000 Almost the theology of the left, the whole trans stuff and the LGBT stuff and basically making it like a religious... You know what I think the Fox problem is going to be too?

00:53:49.000 The problem they're going to have is conservatives, right?

00:53:52.000 I mean, I've been embedded in this movement a long time, over a decade of my life.

00:53:56.000 Conservatives don't like to get toyed with.

00:53:58.000 Believe me, I see it.

00:53:59.000 Conservatives will call out conservatives over nothing.

00:54:04.000 Nothing.

00:54:04.000 Liberals don't have that problem.

00:54:06.000 Do you realize how dumb liberals are? 1.00

00:54:08.000 I'm sorry, they're freaking imbeciles. 1.00

00:54:09.000 You can lie to a liberal for five years about a pee pee hoax, right? 1.00

00:54:14.000 It's clearly bullshit. 1.00

00:54:17.000 All of it! 1.00

00:54:18.000 Five years!

00:54:18.000 Tim, five years!

00:54:20.000 Imagine wasting!

00:54:22.000 So just do it.

00:54:23.000 Rachel Maddow probably does 190 shows a year before her new contract. 1.00

00:54:26.000 Now she's only working one day a week.

00:54:27.000 So figure 190.

00:54:28.000 190. She did 190 shows a year for almost five years on a story that is bullshit. 1.00

00:54:38.000 How are you watching this like, what the? 0.99

00:54:42.000 You just, I just wasted hundreds of hours of my life.

00:54:45.000 If you pulled that as a conservative, and it happens now.

00:54:49.000 It's a cult. 1.00

00:54:50.000 It's a freaking cult. 0.99

00:54:52.000 It happened to me today. 0.96

00:54:52.000 I did this interview with Megyn Kelly on Friday, and this lady, stuff drives me crazy on Twitter. 0.96

00:54:59.000 I'll respond to randos over nothing because I just get pissed off and I got a really shit attitude. 0.99

00:55:04.000 I just do. 0.99

00:55:05.000 Some random lady's like, I heard Dan Bongino and Megyn Kelly calling Ron DeSantis a backbencher. 0.93

00:55:12.000 I'm done with these two.

00:55:13.000 And they said Trump's tweets aren't a problem.

00:55:15.000 I'm like, I answered it back.

00:55:16.000 I'm like, did you even watch the show?

00:55:19.000 Cause I went back and watched the clip.

00:55:21.000 I'm like, that's not what I said.

00:55:23.000 I said, I supported Trump and we've got a great bench, including Ron DeSantis.

00:55:28.000 That's not calling him a backbencher. 1.00

00:55:30.000 You freaking idiot. 1.00

00:55:32.000 And it's like our people call our people out over stuff that didn't even happen, and we're so annoyed like, you're not principled. 1.00

00:55:38.000 And yet the left, you can stick it to them, lie to them, make up innumerable stories, and they will never give up.

00:55:45.000 They'll tune into Rachel Maddow tomorrow. 1.00

00:55:47.000 Her podcast kicks ass. 0.99

00:55:49.000 I follow the numbers like you do. 0.96

00:55:50.000 If you got caught lying about a major thing, I've got the skinny on Governor Andrew Cuomo.

00:55:56.000 It's just coming down.

00:55:57.000 It's an explosive story.

00:55:59.000 And for five years, it turns out to be, no one watched him pool again.

00:56:02.000 But that's not what we do.

00:56:03.000 I mean, it makes us better people, and I'm proud to be on the true side of the movement.

00:56:07.000 And I agree with you, it's more anti-establishment than conservative or left.

00:56:10.000 I totally get that.

00:56:11.000 I'm vibing with you on that.

00:56:13.000 But if you did the stuff lefties pull on their audience, you'd be done, man.

00:56:17.000 Finished.

00:56:17.000 Let's talk about this story from Axios.

00:56:19.000 Trump's 2025 vision revealed.

00:56:21.000 I already really like it because if you scroll down it says, he's vowing to get rid of Marxist prosecutors.

00:56:29.000 Yes!

00:56:31.000 I love how this is written as a hit piece, too.

00:56:33.000 When you read it, you're like, yes, this is awesome!

00:56:37.000 This should be an in-kind donation to the Trump campaign.

00:56:38.000 It's the best thing I've heard Trump say ever!

00:56:40.000 That's better than build the wall!

00:56:43.000 He wants to give the president the authority to hire and fire federal workers.

00:56:47.000 He wants to reward schools that abolish tenure for teachers.

00:56:51.000 They say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:56:53.000 He wants to defund the Justice Department and FBI.

00:56:57.000 He's vowing to get rid of Marxist prosecutors.

00:56:59.000 He wants the DOJ to investigate Big Pharma and hospital networks.

00:57:02.000 He wants to use the U.S. 0.99

00:57:03.000 military to go after drug cartels and street crime.

00:57:06.000 He wants to eliminate an Obama-era rule requiring cities and local governments to address residential segregation.

00:57:11.000 He wants Quantum Leap to revolutionize the American standard of living.

00:57:14.000 His Quantum Leap to revolutionize the American standard of living includes baby bonuses to create a new baby boom and the design of 10 new freedom cities in the U.S.

00:57:23.000 He wants national concealed carry reciprocity?

00:57:28.000 I'm like, Axios is really getting me on board with Trump 2024.

00:57:32.000 I love it.

00:57:33.000 It's written as a hit piece, too.

00:57:34.000 Look at this radical agenda.

00:57:36.000 Meanwhile, every libertarian conservative Republican is like, this is freaking awesome.

00:57:41.000 This is just straight up good Trump.

00:57:42.000 This is all good Trump.

00:57:44.000 The idea that he would use the military to go after street crime is a little concerning and insane, because that's not what the military is for.

00:57:52.000 I disagree.

00:57:53.000 I think they're lying.

00:57:54.000 I think what we've heard from Trump is that the Insurrection Act should be used against riots.

00:57:59.000 And what Axios is doing is they're reframing it to make it seem like he's talking about a dude robbing a liquor store, which would be, I believe, a violation of posse comitatus.

00:58:06.000 Trump was resistant to using the military to even stop the riots.

00:58:11.000 I think what he's saying now is, hey, if this happens again, we'll invoke the insurrection act.

00:58:14.000 And I won't be too critical since this is a news report about what he said rather than just what he said.

00:58:19.000 But the other thing that struck me was that he wants to give the executive authority the right to hire and fire federal employees, which could be like some psycho could get into office and fire everybody and put all his sycophants in.

00:58:30.000 That's actually my favorite idea.

00:58:32.000 If you schedule Fs everyone, I love that.

00:58:36.000 But also, I clicked the link, and it brings you right to his Stop Crime and Restore Safety, and let me just read for you.

00:58:42.000 It says, Our once great cities are now controlled by gangs, cartels, plagued, mentally ill, and drug-addicted homeless.

00:58:49.000 Trump will revitalize police departments and reclaim safety, dignity, and peace for law-abiding Americans, who deliver record funding to hire and retain police officers, strengthen qualified immunity and other protections for police officers, Increase penalties for assaults on law enforcement, put violent offenders and career criminals behind bars, and surge federal prosecutors and the National Guard into high-crime communities.

00:59:08.000 The only thing that remotely comes close to using the military for street crime is National Guard and high-crime communities.

00:59:14.000 That's something we do.

00:59:16.000 The National Guard is deployed in extreme circumstances.

00:59:19.000 If the bulk of what he's saying is revitalizing police departments, for Axios to frame it as he wants to address street crime with military is a lie.

00:59:27.000 Yeah.

00:59:28.000 Hopefully he's not talking about putting, like, the National Guard on the south side of Chicago, standing on the street corners with AK-47s.

00:59:33.000 I think he's talking about when they deployed the National Guard to Ferguson when there was widespread rioting, and that was Obama who did that.

00:59:38.000 I promise they won't have AK-47s.

00:59:40.000 You have in Ferguson, protests in the streets, and they deploy the National Guard.

00:59:45.000 When you have certain degrees of high crime, they deploy the National Guard into certain areas.

00:59:49.000 It happens a lot, depending on what that crime is.

00:59:52.000 Yeah, and usually you gotta ask for it.

00:59:53.000 The state's gotta ask for it.

00:59:55.000 The federal government... And it's the state level anyway.

00:59:57.000 It's not something the president does.

00:59:59.000 So, with that being said... Ian, I like that you're skeptical about that.

01:00:02.000 Yes.

01:00:03.000 It is good.

01:00:03.000 I was one of the few... I'm still getting shit about this.

01:00:06.000 When Bukele and then they did these big prison camps for all these gang members, I was one of the few guys, the conservatives are still ripping me for this, but that's fine because I'm not going to change my position. 0.97

01:00:18.000 I was one of these guys saying, are you really sure about that?

01:00:21.000 We want to round up five, six hundred thousand people or whatever and throw them in a prison camp and we're all celebrating. 0.53

01:00:29.000 There's no more pro-cop, pro-let's crack down, use broken windows policing guy than me.

01:00:35.000 But we have to be careful as conservatives who support liberty to not be like liberals, like the current thingers.

01:00:42.000 The current day, oh, look, there's a guy down there in South America who's cleaning up the streets.

01:00:46.000 Yeah, well, how did he do that?

01:00:48.000 I can clean up the streets, too.

01:00:50.000 I'll hire a bunch of special forces guys to whack five, six hundred bad guys. 0.73

01:00:53.000 The streets are clean.

01:00:54.000 But have we considered the externalities of that?

01:00:57.000 So I'm with you.

01:00:58.000 I'm always skeptical when I hear stuff like that.

01:01:00.000 And that's good, I agree.

01:01:01.000 But my question is, at what point are you in a war?

01:01:05.000 Or are you dealing with a circumstance of mark and reprisal?

01:01:09.000 So, with the issue of cartels, or like in El Salvador, you have extra-governmental entities that become governments.

01:01:19.000 At what point are you at war?

01:01:22.000 Well, listen, it's a fair question to ask.

01:01:26.000 At what point are you at war?

01:01:29.000 The problem is who gets to declare that then, right?

01:01:34.000 Because you're asking a good question, but my question is another question.

01:01:39.000 What happens if you get an Obama then, who says, you know what, we're at a state of war and these conservatives, they're talking about a stolen election, that's all treason and you're all going to go to jail.

01:01:48.000 So I would rather err on the side of extreme caution and have limits on the natural vicissitudes of men's emotions than to have this kind of open-season attitude.

01:02:01.000 And I find what people do is they get desperate, and desperation You know, here's the thing.

01:02:07.000 I use this analogy on my show a lot, right?

01:02:08.000 You ever see The Walking Dead before it went woke?

01:02:10.000 I used to love that show.

01:02:11.000 Then it went crazy and a bunch of wokes. 0.90

01:02:13.000 There's that season where they go into prison to get away from the zombies.

01:02:18.000 And I say to my audience all the time, like, who walks in a prison, right, and locks the door in?

01:02:22.000 Because the prison's a bad thing.

01:02:24.000 The answer is people who are afraid of what's on the outside.

01:02:27.000 That's who does that. 0.73

01:02:28.000 Oh, look, the zombies on the outside are worse than us taking away our own freedom in a prison.

01:02:32.000 That's what worries me about conservatives specifically.

01:02:36.000 I'm not saying championing what they did in El Salvador is horrible.

01:02:41.000 If it works out, great, fine, and civil liberties eventually are respected, but you've got to understand, This is the kind of stuff that tyrants love.

01:02:47.000 They love to scare you enough, because their fear is the coin of the realm, right?

01:02:51.000 That you'll crave this too.

01:02:52.000 Oh man, can't we do that here? 0.99

01:02:54.000 And then you get an Obama-Biden, and you're the one in the freaking handcuffs, and you're like, holy shit, did I sign up for this? 0.99

01:03:00.000 And that's what happened with the Patriot Act. 0.99

01:03:02.000 Which was horrible.

01:03:02.000 So the issue that I see is, if principled people are constantly going up against unprincipled people, the unprincipled people will win.

01:03:11.000 People who are willing to, like I was talking about Monopoly, right?

01:03:13.000 If you're playing against someone who's actively cheating and won't stop, but you keep playing anyway, my question is, I like what El Salvador is doing.

01:03:20.000 I don't know the, I'm not going to say I know every single detail and every single thing they've done, but they went, I think, like three months without any murders since they started rounding up the criminal cartels.

01:03:28.000 You've got a bunch of people who are actively in these, so I'll, let's reframe this into the United States.

01:03:34.000 The left wants to release people from jail.

01:03:36.000 They're saying, you know, this guy was a shoplifter, let's release him.

01:03:38.000 What does he do?

01:03:39.000 He goes right out, right away, and shoplifts again.

01:03:42.000 Gets caught, starts laughing, saying, y'all caught me the first time and let me go.

01:03:45.000 It's very difficult to know how we deal with problems like this at scale.

01:03:51.000 When a country's a lot smaller, there's a lot less people, we're very, very, very libertarian.

01:03:55.000 But the bigger issue at play was a shared sense of community, where most people shared religious values, and there was a lot less people.

01:04:04.000 When militia meant the local men who would take up arms to defend their community, now you have a place like New York City where people don't even know who lives next door to them.

01:04:11.000 And so what happens is you get a guy on a train threatening people and everybody just puts their head down and ignores it.

01:04:18.000 No one's doing anything.

01:04:20.000 So I'll put it this way.

01:04:21.000 The solution to this problem In the most extreme circumstances, maybe the Insurrection Act sending out the National Guard or the Army to stop mass unrest in the United States.

01:04:32.000 The real solution is shared moral frameworks, which we don't have.

01:04:37.000 And rebuilding that takes generations.

01:04:39.000 And so it's been destroyed and dismantled over the past couple generations.

01:04:43.000 It may come to a point where you've got a left that is saying abortion up to nine months, no questions.

01:04:50.000 And we've had these people on this show say that, outright, yes.

01:04:54.000 And I'm like, that's crazy to me.

01:04:56.000 And here I am, traditionally in the Democrat camp of pro-choice, meaning in the first trimester or the first six to 10 weeks or 12 weeks or 15 weeks, we'll find that number.

01:05:06.000 Even Trump said something like that.

01:05:08.000 Conservatives saying, no, no, no, we're pro-life, no abortion, no matter what.

01:05:11.000 Yet, I am more aligned with conservatives in that we all recognize taking the life of a baby that is completely capable of surviving on its own makes no sense.

01:05:19.000 That's just insane.

01:05:20.000 So what happens when you have a state like Colorado where they're actively aborting, I'm doing air quotes here, babies at the point of birth because it's legally allowed?

01:05:29.000 Should the federal government go in and start arresting these doctors and prosecuting them?

01:05:34.000 At what point do you then have the left saying, you are the authoritarian fascist arresting medical professionals, and they frame it the way they want?

01:05:43.000 I think it's time for us to... 1.00

01:05:47.000 Give a big double-barreled fuck you to the left. 1.00

01:05:50.000 Pardon the language here, folks. 1.00

01:05:51.000 Why do we give a shit about what the left is saying? 0.99

01:05:53.000 So you're telling me that the side recommending genital mutilation, saying we should put kids in shit schools in inner cities for generations that have no chance of prosperity, the side that won't pay a freaking dime in extra taxes themselves, That demands they sit on their fat asses and do nothing all day while you support them through your meritocratic work, that we should take them seriously? 0.99

01:06:15.000 When, oh, look, you guys are the fascists because there's an infant child that's done nothing wrong. 0.99

01:06:21.000 We're not going to suck its brains out and you want to do something to stop? 0.99

01:06:24.000 I don't really give a shit what the left says, so I'm not suggesting you do. 0.99

01:06:29.000 I'm just saying, like, if you want cutesy time and stuff, I'm definitely not your guy because I give zero fucks about that. 0.99

01:06:34.000 So this is the point.

01:06:36.000 When do you send the federal law enforcement to go arrest them all in Colorado?

01:06:39.000 See that's different.

01:06:40.000 That's different.

01:06:40.000 That's a different argument because there is an option there.

01:06:44.000 Like if we're talking about you can't transfer the abortion argument over to that because we're talking about like sucking out a kid's brains in a post-birth abortion or we're talking about crime and law enforcement.

01:06:53.000 Like we have an option.

01:06:55.000 I lived through it in New York City.

01:06:55.000 Why?

01:06:57.000 So before we send in the National Guard and talk about any military intervention, we could just do like what we actually did in New York.

01:07:04.000 It was called broken windows policing.

01:07:05.000 It wasn't even complicated.

01:07:07.000 They just went out.

01:07:07.000 I mean, we don't have time to go over the whole thing here, but the essence of it is really, really simple.

01:07:12.000 They went out and said, Hey, we should just arrest people for doing, like, crimes.

01:07:17.000 Like, it can't be that simple.

01:07:18.000 No, I promise you, it was.

01:07:20.000 When I got out of the police department, the whole idea was, listen, we need cops on the corner.

01:07:24.000 So if you see a kid jumping a turnstile in a train station, let him go, Tim, because you know what?

01:07:29.000 I need you out there.

01:07:30.000 I can't have you processing this kid all night.

01:07:32.000 That's not a dumb idea.

01:07:33.000 You're like, yeah, that makes sense.

01:07:35.000 We want to prevent the robberies and the rapes, not that.

01:07:37.000 Well, what happened?

01:07:39.000 The dude who jumped the turnstiles, the guy who rapes the woman, he hasn't paid a fare, so you catch him there.

01:07:44.000 And they cleaned up New York overnight.

01:07:46.000 And this is my point.

01:07:48.000 When Trump gets elected, do we send in 2,000 agents to start arresting all of the doctors?

01:07:54.000 All of them!

01:07:55.000 They all have to be arrested because they're all facilitating abortion up to the point of birth. 0.99

01:08:00.000 If you are killing an infant child in violation of the law, then I'm really sorry, but you made that decision.

01:08:08.000 So in El Salvador, when you've got 10-15,000 guys in one area who are all obviously displaying tattoos, working as guards, Actively participating in seditious actions, then they send in the government and they arrest them all.

01:08:24.000 And the problem is, when we get these photos of all these gang members being arrested, and you get people of good principle saying, like, I'm kind of worried about a government going and rounding all these people up, Now people in El Salvador... I met a guy in DC from El Salvador and he was talking to another guy.

01:08:42.000 I heard him mention something about it.

01:08:43.000 I said, oh, are you from El Salvador?

01:08:44.000 He says, yes.

01:08:44.000 And I said, what do you think about what's going on?

01:08:46.000 And he says, I left there a long time ago, but now it's getting really, really good and I'm going to go back.

01:08:51.000 I'm like, someone who moved to America now wants to go back to El Salvador.

01:08:54.000 So my concern is this.

01:08:56.000 I completely agree.

01:08:58.000 We have to be worried about a government that goes rogue.

01:09:00.000 It was conservatives who were very gung-ho on Patriot Act stuff.

01:09:04.000 Not me, man.

01:09:06.000 You can go back and look at my campaign videos.

01:09:09.000 And it was Obama who signed the indefinite detention provisions.

01:09:11.000 I'm not saying it's just Republicans.

01:09:13.000 But, you know, Luke brings up how he was trying to tell Republicans, like, hey man, watch out for this. 1.00

01:09:17.000 This DHS stuff is going to come and bite you in the ass. 0.99

01:09:20.000 It's hard to know Whether what you're doing will work out perfectly. 0.99

01:09:25.000 But I think it's a losing position to be like, hey, I don't want to go and arrest a thousand people because of the precedent set if another bad person gets in office.

01:09:38.000 It's like, you gotta arrest bad people doing bad things, even if it means it looks bad.

01:09:43.000 So you end up with people in law enforcement saying, I'll give you a story actually.

01:09:49.000 I was just skating in Hagerstown Skate Park, and the local guys over there, Hagerstown, Maryland, you know where Hagerstown is.

01:09:55.000 I know it well, yeah.

01:09:56.000 They said a gang of young kids came there, I believe this was not this past weekend, but, oh actually no, this was Friday I think. 0.96

01:10:04.000 And beat the crap out of a guy and robbed him. 0.72

01:10:07.000 And the cops said, we won't do anything. 0.89

01:10:09.000 We can't do anything about it.

01:10:10.000 We can't lay a hand on these kids.

01:10:12.000 And if anyone else does, they're getting arrested because they're concerned about what the locals will, the public will think about cops coming in and grabbing a bunch of kids and roughing them up and arresting them in the scene that it causes.

01:10:22.000 So they're like, we're going to back away from it.

01:10:24.000 And this leads to excessive lawlessness.

01:10:27.000 The solution would then be having a team of cops come out in gear, grabbing 12 kids, pinning them down and arresting them all, and then you get a ton of videos of cops in specialized armor fighting a mob of kids, a gang.

01:10:40.000 You gotta arrest them.

01:10:41.000 You gotta arrest them.

01:10:42.000 Yeah, but I'm not saying not arrest them, I'm just saying, like, habeas corpus, bring forth the body and show me some evidence.

01:10:50.000 That's the thing.

01:10:51.000 But they're not going in El Salvador and just being like, no charges at trial, you're being renditioned.

01:10:54.000 No, listen, I'm not suggesting that every single person in that jail or even a small minority, most of them probably... You know, I was... Let me tell you this story.

01:11:07.000 Can I tell you a quick story?

01:11:08.000 Hell yes.

01:11:09.000 I'm working a big kid.

01:11:10.000 We're doing a proffer.

01:11:11.000 I'm a federal agent.

01:11:11.000 I'm not a cop anymore.

01:11:12.000 I'm working with the Secret Service.

01:11:13.000 I'm in a proffer session with this guy.

01:11:15.000 Proffer, they call it a king for a day deal.

01:11:17.000 Bad guy's lawyer comes in.

01:11:18.000 You're sitting around a table no different than this.

01:11:20.000 Basically, whatever he says in there, they call it king for a day because we're not going to use it against him, unless he lies.

01:11:25.000 If he lies, then he can use it.

01:11:27.000 So it's called a proper session.

01:11:28.000 We're in there with this guy.

01:11:29.000 We get this guy, this is a massive, massive, like, fraud scheme going on.

01:11:33.000 I'm not going to say the guy's name, obviously, but we pull out a photocopy of his driver's license.

01:11:39.000 We slide it across the table.

01:11:41.000 It's the wrong guy!

01:11:43.000 It's not the guy!

01:11:46.000 It's a different guy.

01:11:47.000 I'm like, he turns around, he goes, that's not me. 0.94

01:11:50.000 We're like, it wasn't my case, it was part, it was, I'm like, holy shit, that's not this guy. 0.90

01:11:55.000 Now, the crazy thing is the guy admitted to like 20 or 30 different crimes, proper section, which is so, and we're like, what the hell do we do now? 0.92

01:12:05.000 This guy, because it's a proper, it's a king for a day.

01:12:08.000 My point is that like, we have rules and procedures, And those rules and procedures have to matter. 0.99

01:12:13.000 For as much as I would have loved to have pulled that guy out of handcuffs, God, fuck the rules. 0.99

01:12:18.000 You just admitted to all this stuff. 1.00

01:12:20.000 We know you did it.

01:12:21.000 The hard reality is once those rules go away and it becomes a discretion of people in power, they will always, always abuse it.

01:12:30.000 Always.

01:12:30.000 But I don't think that's what, so this conversation starts with El Salvador specifically.

01:12:35.000 I don't, I don't think that's what El Salvador is doing.

01:12:37.000 I think now what you're actually seeing is a president who said, we're going to uphold the law as the law is meant to be upheld, instead of governments that were working with the criminals.

01:12:44.000 Yeah, but you got to worry about the guy that comes after BK.

01:12:46.000 That's the problem.

01:12:48.000 I just don't, I just don't see this making sense.

01:12:50.000 A president comes in El Salvador and says, hey, all these things they're doing is illegal, and these cartels were working with corrupt government officials.

01:12:56.000 Now that I'm here, I'm going to start arresting them for crimes.

01:12:58.000 I am not worried about what happens next, because the next president should uphold the law in the exact same way that the previous did.

01:13:04.000 But the thing is, he's arresting them for crimes.

01:13:07.000 It's not, or not crimes.

01:13:09.000 That's why I'm saying...

01:13:10.000 I don't want to make the enemy the perfect of the good, Tim.

01:13:12.000 I'm not suggesting like El Salvador.

01:13:14.000 Oh, they can just get a fine little court system like we had in New York and the NYPD. 0.80

01:13:18.000 Like they obviously don't have the judicial structures we do or the fidelity to process like we do.

01:13:24.000 So I don't make the enemy there.

01:13:25.000 That's why I don't like, I'm not condemning the guy. 1.00

01:13:27.000 The guy is full of shit. 1.00

01:13:28.000 You know what? 1.00

01:13:28.000 There are going to be a lot of people who live because of that. 1.00

01:13:31.000 My point, I guess, in this whole thing and where I want to get, I don't want to be confused with you or get sideways on this one.

01:13:37.000 Is I just think we got to be very careful championing this stuff here, like this is some kind of model for the United States.

01:13:44.000 A lot of people even on our side were like, oh my gosh, if we could only do this here.

01:13:48.000 Like what?

01:13:49.000 Like spy on people without warrants like we did for Trump?

01:13:52.000 But is that what he's doing?

01:13:54.000 Well, how's he getting all this information?

01:13:55.000 You're telling me they filed like a hundred thousand warrants?

01:13:58.000 I mean, they don't, they're police force.

01:13:59.000 I do the simple logistics, right?

01:14:01.000 I mean, the FBI has got a surveillance squad that can monitor in a city probably less than, I don't know, five, six hundred people, far less than at any given day.

01:14:09.000 You're telling me like all of these people got some kind of judicial process?

01:14:13.000 I don't know.

01:14:14.000 I'm afraid to champion that.

01:14:16.000 I think everyone else should be too.

01:14:18.000 And you know what?

01:14:18.000 If it makes me like, oh, what are you?

01:14:20.000 Some kind of someone said to me, you're a bleeding heart liberal or something. 1.00

01:14:23.000 I said, well, are you a madman? 1.00

01:14:24.000 Like, are you crazy? 0.97

01:14:25.000 I'm the guy on Fox and all these things defending the cops when they do good police work.

01:14:31.000 I'm the guy doing that.

01:14:32.000 So I'll give you an example.

01:14:34.000 In D.C.

01:14:35.000 on January 20th, 2017, or 21st, I think it was, several hundred far-left extremists were firebombing vehicles, setting fires in the streets, smashing windows.

01:14:45.000 They all wore black, intentionally.

01:14:48.000 They told everybody, hey, show up on this day, we're gonna protest Trump, wear all black.

01:14:55.000 When the cops surrounded everybody and arrested several hundred of them, the court said, We can't prosecute you because we are required to prove as an individual you committed the crime.

01:15:08.000 So the government tried charging them with conspiracy because they all chose to wear black to hide the crimes of the individuals in the crowd.

01:15:16.000 And the court said, you can't do that.

01:15:19.000 Prove to me that man right there threw the firebomb or he is free to go.

01:15:24.000 So, the only people who got criminally charged were those who pleaded guilty, and that was early on, until the NGOs came in and said, don't worry, to all the leftists, if you committed felonies, we will make sure you never see a minute in jail.

01:15:39.000 Not only were these people freed after destroying DC in an insurrection, they sued the city and won large sums of money.

01:15:48.000 A society that operates that way can't function when you have the inverse happening to the other side.

01:15:55.000 So you have the far-left extremists firebombing buildings, smashing windows, and the courts say, sorry.

01:16:01.000 Then you have January 6th and they say, we will hunt you down to the ends of the earth and lock you up indefinitely without charge or trial.

01:16:07.000 That's where we're currently at.

01:16:08.000 So my point is this.

01:16:11.000 If you're staring at an opponent who is cheating to the extreme degree and you keep saying, no, no, we're going to let them keep doing it.

01:16:17.000 We want them to stop.

01:16:18.000 Maybe one day we can stop them.

01:16:20.000 I'm just like, at a certain point, the question is for El Salvador, the gangs are working with the government and they all know who the gangs are.

01:16:27.000 They know who the bosses are and it's corrupt as corrupt can be.

01:16:31.000 So there's death.

01:16:32.000 Nobody wants to be there.

01:16:34.000 You get someone comes in and says, we know who these guys are.

01:16:36.000 They got the tattoos.

01:16:37.000 We've got the records because they were colluding with government.

01:16:39.000 Let's start arresting them. 1.00

01:16:41.000 I'm not saying it's perfect, I'm not saying I know everything that happened.

01:16:43.000 I'm just saying, right now what we're dealing with in the U.S.

01:16:45.000 is, I watch the far left burn down cities, and the courts then say, well, we agree with Dan Bongino on this.

01:16:52.000 Then when the right goes and protests in Portland, the cops say, nope, we're gonna lock them up because, you know, they're part of a group. 0.97

01:16:57.000 Yeah, but the irony is that you're in all black. 0.95

01:17:00.000 You could have been caught up in that, sent to jail illegally, right?

01:17:02.000 I was arrested.

01:17:03.000 You're wearing all black right now.

01:17:04.000 And I was arrested, but the people wearing all black- But what if you had no recourse? 1.00

01:17:08.000 They were all wearing- they were wearing hoodies and masks.

01:17:11.000 And so you had a group of two, three hundred people all dressed identically for the explicit purpose of- No, I get it, but you see my point?

01:17:18.000 Like, what if you were just an innocent- you're wearing black right now, what if you got- I- wouldn't you feel like- I was wearing all black and I was arrested.

01:17:25.000 And I had a press card in my pocket, and the cops pulled me out and said, you can go home now.

01:17:30.000 Yeah, but what if you couldn't? 0.85

01:17:31.000 Because you had all black on.

01:17:33.000 That's my point.

01:17:34.000 If you show up to an Antifa rally dressed like Antifa, and you stand in a crowd of Antifa throwing firebombs at people... Well, that's different!

01:17:42.000 But that's what they're doing!

01:17:43.000 No, but you didn't do that.

01:17:45.000 And that's why I got let go.

01:17:46.000 I don't know where we disagree.

01:17:48.000 The whole point that we don't have an actual justice system right now.

01:17:52.000 We do have a justice system that's blind.

01:17:53.000 It's blind to the Democrats, a political party.

01:17:56.000 There's no air between us there like I absolutely agree. 0.98

01:18:00.000 My simple suggestion here is that there's a way to fix that and the way to fix that and the only way to fix it it's not violence because once you cross the red line it's over like there's no going back going oh I'm sorry I killed that guy like once you go down that path there's just no and I think a lot of people who talk a lot of shit about violence have never been there Like, if you guys actually sat there at a crime scene with, like, a dude's head blown off on the potatoes in a freaking bodega when you're the new guy, you know what that looks like? 0.92

01:18:28.000 It doesn't even look real.

01:18:29.000 Like, it looks fake.

01:18:30.000 It doesn't look real.

01:18:32.000 If you've never seen it, I swear, like, you're like, wow, that guy's head's split in half.

01:18:35.000 Like, that's kind of crazy.

01:18:37.000 Like, I can see the cerebellum.

01:18:39.000 So we have a way to fix this stuff.

01:18:42.000 We have a constitutional process. 0.99

01:18:44.000 The fact that it's broken isn't like, ah, fuck it. 0.98

01:18:46.000 Let's just, like, throw it out and declare, like, martial law. 0.98

01:18:49.000 But no one's saying that.

01:18:50.000 I'm saying Trump should, when Trump gets in, he should file every criminal indictment.

01:18:54.000 Yes!

01:18:55.000 If he, if he smells... Fire everybody! 1.00

01:18:57.000 I just said that on my show!

01:18:59.000 I think fire those who deserve to be fired, but if you smell even the lightest scent of anything criminal, Yes, but we totally agree.

01:19:09.000 I, to the camera, I concur with Tim Pool.

01:19:13.000 We, I don't know why we're, how are we arguing about it?

01:19:15.000 I mean, you guys are just outlining an inherent problem with liberalism, which is you take, liberalism takes the opposing view seriously and it's charitable.

01:19:25.000 Like, in essence, the whole point of, that's where we get our, our innocent until proven guilty Let me put it this way.

01:19:33.000 When I see a leftist get censored on Twitter, I will not defend them.

01:19:36.000 they're good, we assume that they're going to be innocent, we assume they're

01:19:39.000 virtuous, and that's the way we approach... Let me put it this way.

01:19:43.000 When the left gets... when I see a leftist get censored on Twitter, I will not

01:19:50.000 defend them. You said you don't believe in free speech.

01:19:54.000 Okay, I'll give you, I'll grant you your wish.

01:19:57.000 To the people who don't believe in constitutional rights, don't stand for them and actively oppose it, I will not defend them.

01:20:04.000 There's this meme of the left shares from Karl Popper about tolerating intolerance.

01:20:08.000 And they say, we can't tolerate hate speech because the intolerant eventually take over and kick out the tolerant.

01:20:12.000 And I'm like, Okay.

01:20:15.000 If you want to come to me and tell me my constitution and things I believe in should be destroyed, then when it comes to how our community, which is a sphere of influence that says, here are the rights that are granted to you.

01:20:27.000 If you actively oppose those rights, I will make sure that when it comes, when you are guilty of a crime, you don't get them.

01:20:34.000 Because you don't want them.

01:20:34.000 Well, you don't have to defend them, and you probably shouldn't, but defend the rights themselves.

01:20:38.000 Agreed.

01:20:39.000 So if someone is falsely accused, and we don't have evidence, we defend them.

01:20:43.000 But if someone is a known Antifa guy who is caught red-handed and on camera saying, F the Constitution, F this country, F you colonial whatevers, and starts throwing fireballs, or those lawyers in New York, I say, I don't care to defend them if they don't Like, look, my point is this.

01:21:02.000 At a certain point, you're in a culture war, and there are people actively trying to destroy your culture and your values.

01:21:08.000 If we keep protecting them, and they're exploiting our system to destroy us, we will lose.

01:21:13.000 I was fighting about this with people.

01:21:15.000 We're not fighting about this.

01:21:16.000 This is a point that I've been trying to make on Twitter regularly.

01:21:19.000 It's so entertaining to watch, by the way.

01:21:23.000 America is a liberal country, and the people that are actively trying to corrupt our government are not liberals.

01:21:31.000 They are authoritarians.

01:21:33.000 And you have to understand that authoritarians have a completely different philosophy from liberals.

01:21:39.000 Liberals believe that honesty is a virtue, right?

01:21:43.000 Authoritarians don't believe that.

01:21:44.000 You get consequentialists who believe that the actual results are the important part.

01:21:49.000 So someone like Vosh V, right? 1.00

01:21:51.000 He'll say things like, and this is paraphrasing, but he says things like, I want to win for socialism.

01:21:56.000 I don't want to lose for socialism.

01:21:58.000 So that means it's okay for me to lie.

01:22:00.000 That when he came here and he was on with Charlie Cook, he was pleasant, etc. 1.00

01:22:05.000 And then he goes back to his show and he's just the most vile scumbag. 1.00

01:22:10.000 He did it, he does it to leftists and stuff. 0.99

01:22:12.000 And the point is, you can't believe people just because they say, you know, just because of what they say.

01:22:19.000 You have to understand where their philosophy comes from.

01:22:22.000 And if you're an authoritarian, if you're not a liberal, there's no reason to believe that the person that's coming to you respects liberal principles and there's no reason to believe that they're going to be honest.

01:22:32.000 That's it.

01:22:33.000 I'm not a libertarian in the big L sense.

01:22:35.000 I lean on the libertarian spectrum and I'd probably be more towards traditional or classical liberal.

01:22:40.000 I probably have a view that looks at the world not too dissimilarly to Starship Troopers service guarantee citizenship kind of concept.

01:22:48.000 My fear is this.

01:22:50.000 Why is it that no anarchist civilization has ever prospered?

01:22:54.000 It's because... It takes property rights.

01:22:56.000 Well, anarchists, depending on your definition, don't necessarily disagree with that.

01:23:02.000 The issue is that they don't move fast enough.

01:23:04.000 And in times of emergency, you do need executive authority.

01:23:07.000 And therein lies the big challenge.

01:23:10.000 I don't believe you can simply just say, we will always uphold every guaranteed right no matter what.

01:23:17.000 There are certain lines we obviously don't cross, like we're not going to rendition people, you know, that's across the line.

01:23:24.000 But there may come a point where a country is at war.

01:23:27.000 A country at war can't be like, Well, the West Coast was just invaded.

01:23:33.000 A whole bunch of Chinese boats landed.

01:23:35.000 They're currently taking over our cities.

01:23:37.000 In order to do this right, we need to convene Congress to determine exactly what we're going to do and how we're going to do it.

01:23:42.000 And then, you know, the session will resume tomorrow.

01:23:45.000 Meanwhile, cities are blown up, people are being killed.

01:23:47.000 The reason why we have an executive branch is so that the president can make emergency decisions in terms of the military.

01:23:53.000 So, if we did get invaded on the West Coast or Alaska, the President does not need to go to Congress.

01:23:58.000 He can be like, we have to act now, we are being killed.

01:24:01.000 Boom! 0.99

01:24:02.000 Pulls the trigger.

01:24:03.000 The challenge is, when do we determine that we are in active conflict with people who seek to destroy us?

01:24:08.000 If foreign nationals invaded the US and started committing acts of terror, We would give them certain rights, like international war rights and things like that, but for the most part, you're at war. 0.84

01:24:21.000 Crazy stuff happens.

01:24:23.000 And the rules of war only matter when it's controlled in limited warfare, like I think Henry Kissinger talks about, right?

01:24:28.000 Yeah, limited war is his idea.

01:24:29.000 Real war. 0.73

01:24:31.000 Means nothing.

01:24:32.000 Like, I hear these things like war crimes were committed.

01:24:34.000 I'm like, yo, that doesn't matter.

01:24:36.000 If there's a regime that commits every war crime in the book and then wins, the book will never mention a war crime being committed and the idea of war crimes won't exist.

01:24:44.000 Because the person who wins the war wins.

01:24:47.000 So my point is simply this.

01:24:49.000 People are pointing out in the super chat that he suspended the Constitution.

01:24:52.000 Not a good thing.

01:24:52.000 Fair point, I agree.

01:24:54.000 But if we're facing an existential threat, where a group of people are seeking to burn the Constitution to the ground, do we say, let's protect those who are, like, you've got people outside a federal building in Portland trying to burn it down, and we kept going, well, you know, but they have rights.

01:25:10.000 So, 90 days of firebombs being lobbed at a federal building and nothing being done about it.

01:25:14.000 I mean, that was just negligence.

01:25:15.000 I mean, it was obvious crimes being—I mean, Kyle Serafin, who was on your show, was there. 0.93

01:25:18.000 Like, they saw crimes, and it was just shitty police work. 0.60

01:25:21.000 I mean, let's just be honest.

01:25:22.000 But we already kind of have—we have an established judicial principle about when we're allowed to violate rights, especially when it applies to things like religion.

01:25:30.000 A compelling government interest, two-pronged test, right?

01:25:33.000 And the least restrictive means.

01:25:35.000 That's a pretty good guidepost for a violation of any rights, because you're going to have to violate people's rights, right?

01:25:39.000 You have the right to assembly, right?

01:25:41.000 But if the assembly tomorrow was a call for the open overthrow via violent means of the United States and the assassination of the president, that's going to be broken up because there's crimes being committed.

01:25:53.000 Like, if you have a religion, for example, and the religion says, whatever, it's Joey Begadonatzism, and it says we're going to bloodlet on children until we take six pints of blood. 0.62

01:26:02.000 The chat is loving Joey Begadonatzism.

01:26:05.000 It's the most New York thing that you've been dropping.

01:26:08.000 I'm enjoying the hell out of it, too, personally.

01:26:11.000 But if it said, we're going to bloodlet children for six weeks straight, take a pint of blood every day.

01:26:16.000 You have freedom of movement, but you can't because there's a compelling government interest.

01:26:20.000 We don't want the kid to die.

01:26:21.000 And the least restrictive means would be to come in and say, not lock people up and say, hey, is there a different way for you to celebrate that?

01:26:28.000 Like, I don't know, maybe an animal sacrifice or something, right? 0.93

01:26:32.000 So we already have established guideposts, but I take your point that One of the things I think we specifically in the United States, especially liberals, which drives me crazy, tend to do, and you know them well, like you know more liberals than I do, is they tend to transplant our values overseas with this like spreading democracy crap.

01:26:53.000 That's why I'm not saying any of that.

01:26:56.000 I'm simply suggesting with this entire thing, we have to understand that people around the world are, we are a very advanced culture.

01:27:03.000 And no, American exceptionalism is not the same as Greek exceptionalism like Obama said.

01:27:08.000 It is literal exceptionalism.

01:27:10.000 We are different.

01:27:11.000 But that means everyone else is different than us.

01:27:13.000 We are at the top of this totem pole and transplanting that to other countries and going, oh if they just did it better here, broken windows in El Salvador, I get it, that's naive.

01:27:22.000 I'm just saying, we are a very advanced culture and we're ridiculously rich.

01:27:28.000 We have an established set of principles we should follow, and because liberals don't, I agree with your proposition there. 1.00

01:27:34.000 We should never defend idiots personally. 0.99

01:27:37.000 If you say, hey, I agree with you 100%, hey, free speech sucks, ban conservatives, I'm not gonna defend you personally, but I will absolutely defend a liberal's right in general, big R, God-given right to speak. 1.00

01:27:48.000 I used to be much more just like, Libertarian, Constitution, and I still am for the most part.

01:27:54.000 I used to say, free speech for everybody.

01:27:55.000 When a leftist got banned, I'd be like, nope, they have to have their free speech protected.

01:27:59.000 And then something changed.

01:28:00.000 So let me ask you, do you think parents have the ultimate say in what their kids learn?

01:28:08.000 We'll start there.

01:28:11.000 Do you think parents have the ultimate say in terms of what their children learn?

01:28:14.000 Yeah, but what's the limiting principle?

01:28:16.000 I mean, are we talking about teaching a kid again to assassinate the President of the United States?

01:28:20.000 Well, the answer is no, then.

01:28:22.000 Well, you're talking in absolutes.

01:28:25.000 Everything's on the margin.

01:28:26.000 Nothing in life is absolute.

01:28:27.000 I mean, I wouldn't answer any question that way.

01:28:29.000 It's like saying, is killing wrong?

01:28:31.000 Well, it depends on the circumstance.

01:28:33.000 Do you think parents have the absolute say in the medical treatments that their children receive?

01:28:39.000 No, I don't believe in any... No, what if this says... What if a parent says, I want to cut off the nuts of my five-year-old because they accidentally touched the Barbie doll?

01:28:49.000 So you're saying... Wait, so you think the government should be allowed in certain circumstances to intervene to stop parents who are giving or neglecting the actual health of their children?

01:28:58.000 Isn't that everything, though?

01:29:00.000 What about the vaccine, then?

01:29:01.000 What if a parent says, I'm not going to get my kids vaccinated?

01:29:05.000 Should the government then come in and force their kids' vaccinations?

01:29:07.000 Well, again, what's the compelling government interest there?

01:29:09.000 Is that child not having the vaccine going to hurt someone else?

01:29:12.000 No, it's going to hurt the child.

01:29:13.000 So there's no compelling government interest.

01:29:15.000 It's personal.

01:29:15.000 But wait, hold on.

01:29:16.000 And second, what's the least restrictive means?

01:29:19.000 The least restrictive means is just to leave it alone, not to enact some kind of new The argument is for mumps, for instance, mumps has started re-emerging because parents are refusing to get their kids vaccinated.

01:29:28.000 So that's why they create the mumps vaccine mandate.

01:29:31.000 Yeah, but you have an option against that.

01:29:32.000 Like you could go get a mumps vaccine and you're not at risk.

01:29:35.000 That was my beef with the COVID vaccine.

01:29:37.000 The whole point is they painted it out like it was a compelling government interest because it would stop community spread.

01:29:43.000 And then we found out it didn't do that.

01:29:45.000 And then we found out second that it didn't even stop you from getting COVID either.

01:29:49.000 So, you know, I don't like questions in absolutes, because there are no absolutes.

01:29:53.000 It's like saying heat or no heat in winter.

01:29:55.000 That's not a real question.

01:29:56.000 It's like how much heat, you know?

01:29:58.000 This is my point.

01:29:59.000 When the vaccinated stuff happened, you had the left arguing the government has a right to intervene if parents aren't doing right by their children in terms of medical care.

01:30:10.000 There's a lot of questions about, like, parents make their kids vegan.

01:30:12.000 And then when it came to the issue of trans kids, the right said parents have no right to put their kid through this and the government should stop them.

01:30:23.000 And many people have even said the parents should be arrested if they try and get their kid, you know, child sex changes, things like that.

01:30:29.000 So there is no...

01:30:31.000 Principle of parents have rights.

01:30:34.000 Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

01:30:36.000 And if we don't have a, if there is no law that, like, principle of a parent has the final say, they don't.

01:30:42.000 They don't have the final say.

01:30:43.000 We just have a morality.

01:30:46.000 The left argues the government should not be able to intervene to stop a child's sex change, but the government should intervene to give a kid a vaccine.

01:30:53.000 The right says, no, the government should not be able to force vaccines, and parents should not be allowed to give their kids sex changes.

01:30:58.000 It's an inversion.

01:30:59.000 So the real issue is just the shared moral framework.

01:31:02.000 There are, like, you find that even leftists, like Jimmy Dore, would probably agree with the right position on not giving kids sex changes.

01:31:11.000 And there's a big distinction then between what the left and the right is simply on moral frameworks, not on principles.

01:31:15.000 Yeah, but those aren't morally equivalent.

01:31:17.000 You know, again, apply a simple test.

01:31:19.000 You're talking about a vaccine in one case that, granted, may have some serious side effects, okay?

01:31:25.000 But as far as we know, has not killed every single person who got it, right?

01:31:29.000 But then you're talking, on the other hand, about permanently altering a young child with no capacity for advanced decision-making by cutting their nuts off.

01:31:38.000 Like, that's not the same thing!

01:31:40.000 That's why I'm saying... It doesn't need to be for my point.

01:31:42.000 My point is simply that your morals are different from the left's.

01:31:45.000 Yeah, because we have them.

01:31:46.000 They don't have morals.

01:31:47.000 Your point is accurate.

01:31:50.000 The thing about the left is, the way people attack the left, which is completely wrong, and I say on my show all the time, never do this, is they attack them on the hypocrisy front.

01:31:59.000 I do it as a humor, Olinsky thing, just to embarrass them.

01:32:02.000 You're shaking your head because they don't care. 0.95

01:32:05.000 The left doesn't care about hypocrisy. 0.63

01:32:07.000 They care about hierarchy and power.

01:32:10.000 See, we have morals.

01:32:11.000 We have a set of guiding big R God-given rights principles that we... I always say to people, like, we have an emergency brake on our behavior that leftists don't have.

01:32:20.000 I cannot physically attack you as a principled conservative and beat the crap out of you because I don't like you like Antifa does to us because our rights come from God. 1.00

01:32:31.000 But so do yours, even if your politics are freaking stupid. 1.00

01:32:34.000 The left doesn't have that. 1.00

01:32:36.000 That's why they freak me out.

01:32:38.000 This is my point.

01:32:39.000 If you identify those who share your moral values, if everybody in this country shared the same moral framework, you'd need very little police officers, you'd need very little in way of law enforcement.

01:32:52.000 Federalist 51, right?

01:32:53.000 If men were angels, right?

01:32:55.000 Government would be unnecessary.

01:32:57.000 So the issue is now with the culture war is the left has no moral framework.

01:33:00.000 Their moral framework is there is no truth but power.

01:33:03.000 So they will say anything.

01:33:04.000 Amen, brother.

01:33:05.000 And the culture war right has Christian moral framework.

01:33:09.000 Whether or not people like Bill Maher want to understand it or accept it, the reality is the Constitution is rooted very, very much so in a Christian moral framework.

01:33:17.000 That is not me saying everybody of good moral standing is Christian or needs to be. 0.99

01:33:20.000 I'm saying a lot of these ideas, I've talked about it quite a bit, like Blackstone's formulation, He says it's better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.

01:33:29.000 My point is simply that there is no simple blanket principle.

01:33:34.000 There is only the extent to which we share morals.

01:33:36.000 And we find it morally reprehensible, for the reasons you described, to give a child a sex change. 0.81

01:33:41.000 At the same time, we find it morally reprehensible for a government to mandate a medical procedure.

01:33:45.000 The left just wants power.

01:33:47.000 They will exploit our principles and argue, hey, I thought you were for parental rights.

01:33:52.000 You said in Florida parental rights, and the parents have final say.

01:33:55.000 Well, Jazz Jennings' parents say that Jazz should get a sex change.

01:33:59.000 They'll try to exploit you on the fact that you have asserted this is your principle, and then they'll try to navigate through it.

01:34:05.000 My response is simply this.

01:34:07.000 I don't care about that.

01:34:08.000 I have a moral line. 1.00

01:34:09.000 You cross it, I tell you to screw off. 0.95

01:34:11.000 That means, it's not about parents, it's not about principles, it's not about rights.

01:34:14.000 Free speech, in my opinion, extends to those who believe in free speech.

01:34:17.000 I will protect it for everybody who says I have a right to say it.

01:34:20.000 The moment some leftist comes out and says, no one has free speech rights but me, I say I look forward to you getting arrested when you lose your free speech rights and I won't defend you.

01:34:28.000 That's my point, that's my point.

01:34:30.000 Let's go to Super Chats!

01:34:32.000 That was some deep stuff, bro.

01:34:34.000 Anyone got an ibuprofen?

01:34:36.000 My thing is simply like, at what point do we say like, hey, if we keep...

01:34:44.000 If we're playing a game of Monopoly, like I said before, and they're cheating, and we just keep saying, alright, you

01:34:48.000 know, we're not going to win.

01:34:49.000 We have to at some point be like, look, you're cheating.

01:34:52.000 I'm not gonna play this game with you anymore.

01:34:54.000 You don't get to play with me and my friends because you cheat all the time.

01:34:57.000 So, and they're like, hey, that's not fair.

01:34:58.000 Everyone's allowed to play the game. 0.99

01:34:59.000 Not you anymore, dude, because you're a cheater. 0.95

01:35:01.000 The thing that sucks is, is the reaction to, like, the left Wants the reaction like they always complain about reactionaries, but they start the dialectic they initiate What is going to make the right react then when they get the reaction? 0.95

01:35:17.000 From the right they can go ahead and say look we need to change this or change that because look at the reactionaries and blah blah blah The way that, historically, a lot of countries, and this is not something that I'm endorsing the U.S. 0.91

01:35:28.000 doing, the way that, historically, a lot of countries have dealt with communists or leftists being what they are, dishonest and having a different set of principles, is it ends up being like fascism.

01:35:43.000 It ends up being like Pinochet.

01:35:45.000 And that's not good, but it's better than communists.

01:35:47.000 Well, that's what I think about this Colorado- We gotta go to Super Chats.

01:35:50.000 To tap this out, man, this Colorado nine-month abortion thing, like, if it's federally legal, like, the feds are not involved and it's a state rights thing, I don't think you would want to send the feds over there to bust it up.

01:36:01.000 Completely disagree.

01:36:03.000 That's the fascism route. 0.87

01:36:04.000 I don't like that.

01:36:04.000 No, it's not.

01:36:05.000 It was not fascism for the union to be like, no, no slavery.

01:36:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:08.000 like, hey, we're not going to allow that.

01:36:09.000 Human slavery is one thing. 0.90

01:36:11.000 I know it's overly simplistic to say, because that's not what the Civil War was.

01:36:14.000 The Civil War was a wide range of issues.

01:36:16.000 Part of why the Emancipation Proclamation was only after the Civil War already started.

01:36:20.000 My point is, if there are people in a state that— It's like, if Colorado legalizes—

01:36:26.000 I mean, we'll just talk about nine-month abortion.

01:36:30.000 Like, we are talking about something so morally shocking and reprehensible, the overwhelming majority of Americans oppose it, and the only way the left gets these things through is by lying to people and tricking them.

01:36:40.000 It's why you'll often have these conversations with leftists, and I'll give you a really, really simple one, it really confuses me.

01:36:47.000 Why is it that leftists are so afraid to say that they are homosexual? 0.92

01:36:51.000 It may seem like a silly example, but I genuinely mean it. 0.96

01:36:56.000 Lance from the serfs comes on this show and says that it is heterosexual straight for a male to engage in adult activities with another male so long as that male is effeminate. 0.67

01:37:07.000 I still think he's messing with us, dude.

01:37:09.000 They're not!

01:37:09.000 They've made this argument for like ten years.

01:37:11.000 You gotta pay attention to this stuff.

01:37:13.000 I remember seven years ago.

01:37:15.000 You think he's messing with us?

01:37:16.000 He said that if you- Trans lesbians exist, and you are completely wrong on this, Ian.

01:37:21.000 So my point is, why are they so afraid to admit that they're gay? 0.69

01:37:26.000 Because I got no problem with people who are gay at all. 0.78

01:37:28.000 But this guy, Lance, comes on the show and says he thinks it is straight for a male to engage in activities with a male, so long as the male is effeminate. 0.98

01:37:36.000 He even said to you, Ian, that if a male was to engage in relations with a manly, ugly woman, that would be gay. 0.98

01:37:44.000 That's it. 0.99

01:37:44.000 Just confuses me to no end, I don't know. 0.99

01:37:46.000 They've made this argument for a long time. 0.97

01:37:48.000 Trans lesbians have their own flag. 0.96

01:37:50.000 I remember this 10 years ago, they were talking about if you are a female who won't date, if you are a lesbian who won't date a trans woman, you are transphobic. 0.98

01:37:59.000 Right.

01:38:00.000 And so my point is simply this.

01:38:02.000 If you're a male and you like males, that's called homosexual because you both have the same, you know, makeup essentially. 0.89

01:38:08.000 Wedding tackle.

01:38:08.000 But for some reason, they, for some reason, they refuse to say, they're like embarrassed, they refuse, they reject it.

01:38:15.000 They're not playing fair.

01:38:17.000 They're lying.

01:38:18.000 They won't admit what they actually think, and they will lie to you to get what they want. 0.99

01:38:21.000 I think the reason they're afraid to say it is because they know that if they go to a regular, average person and say, you're gay, then they're gonna be like, hey, screw you, no, I'm not. 0.99

01:38:29.000 So they lie and say, no, no, you're totally straight if you suck on that dude, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:38:33.000 Or that trans woman, sorry. 1.00

01:38:35.000 It's a lie to manipulate people. 0.80

01:38:37.000 The only way they get away with it.

01:38:39.000 So my point going back to abortion.

01:38:41.000 Colorado outright says there are no restrictions at any point in abortion.

01:38:46.000 If you go to the average American and say, should a baby, at the point of birth, should a doctor be allowed to kill that baby?

01:38:55.000 One person out of a hundred might say yes.

01:38:57.000 A leftist maybe, however many leftists there are.

01:39:00.000 But what if you say, If the mother deems an abortion necessary, should there be any restrictions on that?

01:39:06.000 They're going to say, no, no, no, no, no.

01:39:07.000 Because in their mind, they're thinking two weeks pregnant, a panicked mother who's impoverished or suffering some medical problem.

01:39:14.000 They're not thinking about what the left is actually trying to do.

01:39:17.000 Nine months.

01:39:18.000 So my point is, if they're doing that at the governmental level, I believe that violates the 14th Amendment.

01:39:24.000 I believe that if a baby can survive on its own, it's protected by the Constitution, and the federal government should go in and arrest every single doctor.

01:39:31.000 And I'm not even staunchly pro-life.

01:39:32.000 I'm just saying, if the baby can live, it has constitutional rights.

01:39:36.000 No baby can survive on its own.

01:39:37.000 They need constant medical attention.

01:39:39.000 No human can survive on its own.

01:39:40.000 I know.

01:39:41.000 Then you still have constitutional rights.

01:39:43.000 Adult humans can live alone.

01:39:44.000 Yeah, you could get a homestead out there.

01:39:44.000 No they can't.

01:39:46.000 Most humans, humans being social creatures for the most part, struggle to survive on their own.

01:39:49.000 But I mean little babies will die within 24 hours or 48 hours if they're left to their own devices.

01:39:53.000 So the duration to which a human will survive by themselves has no merit in whether or not they get constitutional rights.

01:39:58.000 Oh, well, that's not what I'm saying.

01:39:59.000 Should an adult with no arms and legs have no constitutional rights? 0.96

01:40:04.000 No.

01:40:04.000 Then why wouldn't a baby?

01:40:06.000 I'm not saying that the baby shouldn't have constitutional rights.

01:40:08.000 Okay, then a baby has a 14th Amendment right not to be killed.

01:40:11.000 Um, if it's the mother that's having an abortion with a, that's not a human, uh, at that legally, then we're, I'm just talking about the law and that you got to leave it up to this.

01:40:19.000 I think you got to leave it up to local law enforcement, like this broken policing, broken windows, policing policy.

01:40:23.000 Wasn't the feds going in there and breaking up New York.

01:40:26.000 It was low.

01:40:27.000 You leave it to the people.

01:40:27.000 If they really think it's abhorrent, they'll police.

01:40:29.000 Every step of the way throughout history, they've argued that the people that they enslave torture and murder aren't real people.

01:40:34.000 So I do not accept it.

01:40:36.000 A baby that can survive- I don't like abortion, and I'm pro-choice simply because there are very, very difficult libertarian questions on when the government is allowed to intervene, what knowledge the government is allowed to have, and within a certain time period, the mother and the doctor are having to make difficult decisions, and I also agree that abortion is exploited as contraception, which I think is disgusting.

01:40:56.000 However, at a certain point, if the baby can survive on its own, then I think killing it violates inalienable rights, constitutional rights.

01:41:02.000 And my stance then would be, if the baby has to come out of the mother anyway, why kill it if it can survive on its own?

01:41:12.000 That was great.

01:41:13.000 I don't know if you know, I played that on my podcast.

01:41:15.000 It's interesting because we're talking about, you know, you're correct in your assertion that the world is not black and white.

01:41:21.000 The whole pool of ethics is about gray areas.

01:41:23.000 Ethics is entire courses taught in college, because really, what in life is black and white?

01:41:28.000 I mean, there's so few things, right?

01:41:29.000 Like I said, don't kill.

01:41:31.000 Oh yeah, definitely don't kill.

01:41:32.000 Yeah, but what if he comes into your house late at night and tries to, like, kidnap—oh, okay, like, nothing's— Self-defense.

01:41:37.000 Yeah, self-defense.

01:41:38.000 But ironically, you brought up abortion.

01:41:40.000 That's the one area for me that's just absolutely black and white.

01:41:43.000 I get it.

01:41:44.000 Other people have different positions.

01:41:45.000 I'm not indicting anyone here.

01:41:47.000 I'm just saying, like, my record of success on this is 100%, right?

01:41:53.000 Every single human being on planet Earth ever has gone through conception.

01:41:57.000 That doesn't mean every conceived person has been born.

01:42:02.000 Some there's miscarriages, you know, children die in the womb all the time. 0.54

01:42:05.000 There's ectopic pregnancies, things don't work out for pregnancy.

01:42:09.000 But my record of success is 100%.

01:42:11.000 There's not a single person in this room that hasn't been conceived.

01:42:14.000 Right?

01:42:15.000 I mean, does anybody dispute that?

01:42:16.000 So I'm a hundred for a hundred.

01:42:19.000 You're zero for nothing.

01:42:20.000 When people go, oh, I don't know when life begins.

01:42:22.000 Yeah, I do.

01:42:22.000 Conception.

01:42:23.000 I've got a hundred percent success rate.

01:42:25.000 So just say, now I would be more comfortable with lefties.

01:42:27.000 And I get it.

01:42:28.000 There's different positions.

01:42:30.000 I would be more comfortable with you if you would just be honest and say, if life, human life is inconvenient for me, the mom or the dad, I feel I should be able to exterminate it.

01:42:40.000 I'll debate you on it, but at least you're honest. 1.00

01:42:42.000 They're just full of shit. 1.00

01:42:43.000 Oh, no, no, it's not a life. 1.00

01:42:44.000 It's like a clump of cells.

01:42:46.000 I'm a clump of cells.

01:42:47.000 It's not a person until it gains personhood, legally.

01:42:51.000 I'm not talking about legally, we're talking about black and white morals.

01:42:54.000 You're wiping out and exterminating a human life.

01:42:57.000 Is anybody uncomfortable with that?

01:42:59.000 Think about that.

01:43:00.000 They're not.

01:43:01.000 The left is not.

01:43:04.000 We used to have this thing in my high school, I went to a Catholic high school, double quotes, two quotes that were related, you have to think of something clever.

01:43:11.000 So one kid came in with a great one.

01:43:13.000 Camus, God is dead.

01:43:15.000 And he wrote, Camus is dead, God.

01:43:20.000 Don't you—I get it, like, I believe in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

01:43:25.000 I'm a religious guy.

01:43:26.000 I'm not your preacher.

01:43:27.000 I'm not your rabbi.

01:43:28.000 I'm not your imam.

01:43:29.000 You do you, whatever, man.

01:43:31.000 I'm just saying, like, I'm not taking that chance, man.

01:43:34.000 You really want to go up there one day in front of the pearly gates and be like, yeah, I wiped out six kids, had six abortions, and I'm an abortion doctor, and I wiped out 2,000 lives?

01:43:44.000 I'm not sure you're getting into that movie. 1.00

01:43:46.000 I'm pretty sure you're kind of fucked. 1.00

01:43:47.000 Factory farming, too. 1.00

01:43:49.000 We do gotta go to Super Chats.

01:43:50.000 Factory farming, man.

01:43:51.000 But I do want to say, some people are, like, shocked.

01:43:53.000 Like Tim said, life begins at conception.

01:43:54.000 I have always maintained that.

01:43:56.000 Yeah, but it's the difference between life and personhood are two different things.

01:43:58.000 Don't care.

01:43:59.000 Well, it matters legally.

01:44:02.000 A lot of things matter legally.

01:44:05.000 That's a non sequitur.

01:44:07.000 Of course it matters legally.

01:44:08.000 We have laws that try to establish some bedrock of morality in a set of judicial principles and legal principles.

01:44:15.000 I totally get that.

01:44:17.000 I think the point of human life is absolutely black or white.

01:44:20.000 You can't say, like, well, we don't know when life begins or when it's a person.

01:44:25.000 So don't wipe the kid out and guess, like, what kind of answer is that?

01:44:29.000 So I have a conversation with Glenn Beck that ends with a handshake, a smile, like, oh, these are interesting questions.

01:44:34.000 And my position has always been, can the government mandate one person provide their body to another?

01:44:40.000 Where are those limits and restrictions put in place?

01:44:44.000 How is the government informed?

01:44:45.000 There's a lot of serious challenges there.

01:44:47.000 So the problem is, if a woman is forcefully impregnated and says, I never wanted this, I don't want it, and you can't force me to share my body with another life form, I don't think the government can intervene and be like, nope, we are forcing you to provide your blood and body to this person that you never chose and you were responsible in every respect.

01:45:05.000 The challenge then is, what do they do?

01:45:07.000 They exploit the law for contraception, which is disgusting.

01:45:11.000 And I don't have a solution there.

01:45:12.000 Yeah, but Tim, did you ever notice, like when you talk about crisis pregnancies, right?

01:45:16.000 Grab a liberal, any liberal, and go, okay, tell you what, I'll make a deal with you.

01:45:21.000 We'll pass a law tomorrow and support it.

01:45:23.000 Every single rape or case of incest that there will be, you can abort the child whenever you want in exchange for saving every other life.

01:45:30.000 Would you support it?

01:45:31.000 No, I wouldn't. 1.00

01:45:32.000 So you don't give a shit. 1.00

01:45:33.000 You're just making that up. 0.99

01:45:34.000 I'm making your point, I get it.

01:45:36.000 Yeah, adversarial.

01:45:37.000 I'm just kind of doubling down on your point.

01:45:39.000 But because it's a crisis pregnancy, right, which it is, and we should never ever diminish that.

01:45:44.000 And no, I'm a guy.

01:45:45.000 I don't know what it's like, obviously, to bear children.

01:45:48.000 There are two genders. 1.00

01:45:49.000 Liberals are idiots, right? 1.00

01:45:51.000 I'll never understand that. 1.00

01:45:52.000 And I don't pretend to.

01:45:54.000 That doesn't absolve us of the responsibility of answering really difficult questions like, yes, this woman is carrying a pregnancy she does not want, that was imposed upon her in a brutal act.

01:46:04.000 But that does not, that does not absolve us of the fact that we are then killing a child.

01:46:10.000 And someone asked me this once, this changed my mind on this completely.

01:46:14.000 I was at this convention there, and someone came up to me, he was a big pro-life advocate, but a very nice guy, very super nice guy. 0.95

01:46:22.000 And he said, well, why not just kill the toddler? 0.99

01:46:26.000 I mean, it's a child of rape. 0.99

01:46:28.000 And you're like, well, why would we do that? 0.59

01:46:30.000 It's alive!

01:46:30.000 It's alive in the womb, too!

01:46:33.000 So this is the question that I asked these leftists.

01:46:35.000 I said, two women conceive at the exact same time, identically.

01:46:40.000 They're twin sisters who had twin brothers who both conception at the exact same moment.

01:46:46.000 At eight and a half months, one woman is going into early labor because, uh, you know, rough car ride, something shocked, and then, you know, she, some trauma, and boom, baby's coming.

01:46:55.000 Other sister, totally fine, sitting in the hospital, bad baby's not coming. 0.60

01:46:58.000 I said, at eight and a half months, the baby comes out and is delivered perfectly healthy.

01:47:02.000 The identical baby, in every single way, still in the womb.

01:47:05.000 Can it be aborted?

01:47:06.000 And yet the left says every time, yes.

01:47:07.000 And I say, what's the difference between the layer of skin in front of it?

01:47:11.000 But we got to go to Super Chats, because we are way too late.

01:47:13.000 I got to do it.

01:47:14.000 We're going to read it.

01:47:16.000 TheMoen22 says, Tim, did you see the Ukraine war has spilled into Russia?

01:47:21.000 The Belgorod region bordering Ukraine looks exactly like Western-built insurgency.

01:47:26.000 Have you guys heard about this at all?

01:47:27.000 Yeah, there's people talking about a separatist movement.

01:47:32.000 I haven't read a lot about it.

01:47:33.000 I've seen a couple tweets.

01:47:35.000 I was going to dig in when we got done, but...

01:47:38.000 It's possible.

01:47:39.000 We do dig into this in your post, so don't miss it, right?

01:47:43.000 There you go, there's a plug there.

01:47:45.000 That was like the first ten minutes, so we're not doing an after show.

01:47:48.000 We recorded a pre-show, which will be up at about 10 p.m.

01:47:50.000 as soon as we wrap the show.

01:47:51.000 We're putting it live because Dan's got a hard stock.

01:47:52.000 He's got to bounce, but we appreciate you sticking around.

01:47:55.000 We were coming in early so we could do the pre-record.

01:47:57.000 Awesome.

01:47:58.000 Uh, Paul Tascalo says, Epstein's former Gulfstream G5550 private jet is currently available for charter, sold at auction, changed registration and tail number, let me tell you more about it, look me up, PJ Paul with Vault Aviation.

01:48:12.000 Gulfstream, I'm gonna avoid those from now on.

01:48:15.000 Like, I've ever broke one and they're like, we have a plane for you, it's a Gulfstream G5550 private jet, I'm gonna be like, No.

01:48:21.000 You're being recorded on that subject.

01:48:24.000 Not even that.

01:48:24.000 I don't want to be on that plane.

01:48:26.000 I don't care what they do.

01:48:26.000 You can't clean that plane.

01:48:27.000 We were talking about turboprops earlier, and you're like, hey, bring that one up.

01:48:31.000 You can scrub that thing with all the bleach in the world, and I don't think that thing is getting clean.

01:48:36.000 No, but when we do fly, we do the lower cost ones.

01:48:40.000 I want to give a shout out to VeriJet, because it's like the cost of flying first class to fly private.

01:48:47.000 And so if we need to do a flight for a show, like, where are we?

01:48:50.000 Just in Texas or whatever?

01:48:51.000 No.

01:48:52.000 You guys do road shows?

01:48:53.000 And then you went to Florida.

01:48:54.000 Sometimes.

01:48:54.000 Yeah.

01:48:55.000 Florida, we had to, like, it's the only way to do it.

01:48:58.000 And you know this too.

01:48:59.000 A lot of people will be like, oh, you're so rich and elitist for flying private.

01:49:03.000 And it's like, if I didn't, I couldn't do it.

01:49:05.000 I can't, I can't work 16 hours on a Friday.

01:49:07.000 I've never been shy about that.

01:49:09.000 I'm like, you know what?

01:49:09.000 I grew up above a bar.

01:49:11.000 My dad was a plumber.

01:49:13.000 My mom worked the checkout counter at Finest. 1.00

01:49:15.000 I busted my ass, man. 0.99

01:49:16.000 I tell people all the time, like, I'm a capitalist. 1.00

01:49:18.000 I'm not embarrassed.

01:49:19.000 I'm like, it's Bernie Sanders who's got a problem.

01:49:21.000 I'll fly wherever I want.

01:49:23.000 I'm not apologizing for anything.

01:49:25.000 Well, I want people to feel like when they support us, we're doing everything we can with our resources to win the culture war and not being frivolous with it.

01:49:32.000 But the reality is, if we fly down to do your show, the only way that's possible is if we get a private jet.

01:49:39.000 I'll send you one.

01:49:40.000 Oh, thank you!

01:49:41.000 Paula! 0.78

01:49:45.000 But it's like, uh, you know, I wake up at a.m.

01:49:47.000 I do the show then I work throughout the day We're at the show at 11 p.m.

01:49:50.000 And then we have a plane waiting for us We have to speed to to get on so that I can get get to bed to wake up This is what we had to do for the value attainment show.

01:49:58.000 I'm like, yeah, I want to come down I want to come on the show.

01:50:00.000 I want to talk about these things to an audience.

01:50:02.000 I mean that Patrick Yeah, he's amazing.

01:50:04.000 Yeah, he's a cat man.

01:50:05.000 He was on my Fox show a couple of times.

01:50:07.000 He was awesome He's a really good guest man In order to do it, we wrap the show on Friday, hop in the car and go as fast as we can to the local airport, hop on a private jet, fly to Miami.

01:50:17.000 I get five hours of sleep before I have to wake up, get cleaned up, hop on a show and talk for another four hours, and then no day off because I'm working again.

01:50:23.000 Well, I told you during the break, for us it doesn't make sense to do it otherwise, because let's say we're doing a certain amount of revenue per show. 0.94

01:50:31.000 For me to fly and get caught in an airport and then miss two or three shows, it winds up becoming I'm like the most ridiculous money loser ever, so.

01:50:38.000 And you know, if you shop around, you get decent prices. 0.86

01:50:41.000 It's not as bad as everybody thinks it is, you know?

01:50:42.000 Yeah, like I mentioned Verijet.

01:50:45.000 We had some issues with them early on that were really bad, but we gave them a chance.

01:50:49.000 And these are like flying SUVs, they're super small.

01:50:52.000 But basically, you get four adults and two kids in there, and it's like the cost of first class.

01:50:57.000 So it's not as expensive as people think it is.

01:50:59.000 But granted, this is not like a Gulfstream.

01:51:01.000 It's a little pod, like a flying SUV.

01:51:03.000 I gotta look this up, man.

01:51:05.000 I mean, look, if you want to fly in comfort, you get your broker and you get a King Air or whatever and you get a Gulfstream.

01:51:10.000 Yeah, I don't have a... I wouldn't buy... I don't fly enough.

01:51:12.000 Like, I fly a few times a year.

01:51:13.000 That's it.

01:51:14.000 I mean, I don't fly at all.

01:51:15.000 I live in Florida.

01:51:16.000 Like, why would you leave, you know?

01:51:17.000 Exactly.

01:51:17.000 I'm down here.

01:51:18.000 All right, let's see.

01:51:19.000 We got here.

01:51:19.000 Jake says, I'm fairly certain that right around the time Epstein was picked up, Acosta said on camera that he was approached and told Epstein was above his pay grade and belonged to intelligence.

01:51:29.000 Very interesting.

01:51:29.000 You see?

01:51:30.000 That reporter told me that.

01:51:32.000 This reporter is totally legit, too.

01:51:35.000 She was not messing around when she told me that. 0.97

01:51:37.000 Itsy Bitsy Spider Production says System of a Down is one of the most underrated bands of all time.

01:51:41.000 Yes!

01:51:42.000 Who is this guy?

01:51:42.000 From the overlapping vocal ranges to the operatic structure, that almost rival Queen.

01:51:48.000 I don't think they're underrated.

01:51:49.000 They're one of the biggest bands in the world.

01:51:52.000 They're great.

01:51:52.000 You can like them.

01:51:53.000 I totally get it.

01:51:54.000 But calling System of a Down underrated is probably an inaccurate use of the term underrated.

01:52:00.000 You asked me six months ago, I told you I didn't like them.

01:52:02.000 But hearing Toxicity three days ago, I was just riveted.

01:52:05.000 Dude, the chorus in Chop Suey is probably one of the greatest things ever put to music.

01:52:09.000 It's one of all time.

01:52:10.000 Right?

01:52:11.000 Tell me, if your head ain't banging at the end of that, man, then you ain't doing it right.

01:52:15.000 I'm sorry.

01:52:16.000 I listen to that still, on the plane, with the headphones in, blasting my eardrums out.

01:52:21.000 That's so crazy.

01:52:22.000 It's like achromatic. 0.99

01:52:24.000 It's like the math is all weird, like the rhythm is funky, man, but they are so nuts.

01:52:29.000 Love it, man.

01:52:30.000 It's awesome.

01:52:30.000 So unique.

01:52:31.000 Cdub says, Hey Tim and Dan, I've been a long time listener to both your podcasts, just hit two years as a member this month.

01:52:37.000 Is there any chances of combining forces with a venture like Cast Brew and Parallel Economy?

01:52:42.000 Timcast.com proudly uses Parallel Economy for our membership.

01:52:46.000 We love having Timcast.

01:52:48.000 We adore Timmy.

01:52:49.000 Hey, listen, I'll answer for myself.

01:52:51.000 I don't want to speak for Tim, but I have been seeking partnerships with Tim forever because I believe in new media.

01:52:58.000 Tim was a pioneer.

01:52:59.000 He was live streaming way before me. 1.00

01:53:01.000 I don't say that to kiss the man's ass. 1.00

01:53:04.000 There's no need for that. 1.00

01:53:04.000 We don't do that here. 1.00

01:53:06.000 But no, man, you're a real pioneer in this.

01:53:09.000 And if you and me and Two or three others, and I think you know this.

01:53:13.000 There's probably about, and I don't say this with any air of pretension, folks.

01:53:16.000 Don't take it the wrong way.

01:53:17.000 I'm just basing it on pure numbers, me being in the live streaming business and owning a chunk of rumble.

01:53:21.000 There are probably ten people in the United States right now who can do what we do and bring the numbers.

01:53:26.000 It's just a fact.

01:53:27.000 When it comes to political podcasting, on our side, the libertarian right side, right?

01:53:32.000 If me, you, and let's say a few of those others combine forces, I mean, we could start a behemoth mammoth of a company that would scare the living shit out of just about everyone in the political business.

01:53:44.000 I was just thinking we should do a live event, do some collaborative.

01:53:47.000 That would be so awesome.

01:53:48.000 We got big news on the Miami event coming up, which I'm pretty sure I can just say As of right now, it is my understanding, I am told, Matt Gaetz, Don Jr., and Patrick Bedavid are confirmed for our live show in Miami.

01:54:02.000 So good.

01:54:03.000 When is that?

01:54:03.000 Sometime in October.

01:54:04.000 So, I'm probably, like, right now our events people are probably freaking out, like, what are you doing, Tim?

01:54:10.000 Don't say it right now.

01:54:11.000 And I was like, but when I told me that Matt Gaetz and Don Jr.

01:54:13.000 definitely are going to be there live on stage, I was like, can I, can I say that?

01:54:16.000 And they're like, yeah, it's confirmed.

01:54:17.000 Don was here and I'm like, we got you coming down.

01:54:19.000 He's like, yeah, of course.

01:54:20.000 And I'm like, you want to come down?

01:54:21.000 Yeah, bro, I'm in.

01:54:22.000 I'm in.

01:54:23.000 I'm committing right now.

01:54:24.000 Let's do it.

01:54:24.000 This venue might not be big enough.

01:54:27.000 We have like 800 seats.

01:54:29.000 My daughter goes to university.

01:54:30.000 Maybe, maybe we should find like a way bigger venue.

01:54:33.000 Probably sell 30,000, 20,000 tickets, 30,000 tickets.

01:54:37.000 But that's the kind of new media stuff that makes me proud, like working with guys like yourself.

01:54:41.000 And I love that you and I, we just had this two-hour conversation with your crew.

01:54:44.000 These guys are awesome, by the way.

01:54:46.000 You've got a great team.

01:54:47.000 You guys are really great, man.

01:54:48.000 So easy to work with.

01:54:49.000 We disagreed, we agreed on some stuff, and yet we all agree on one thing, like the importance of new media going forward.

01:54:55.000 We have got to give people options, man.

01:54:57.000 We can't have like a monopoly on a cable box anymore.

01:55:00.000 Isn't it great that you can have your position on abortion, Ian disagrees with you, you talk, we move, we have a conversation.

01:55:07.000 Because we're civilized, we're not liberal lunatics, that's why!

01:55:09.000 No, I actually care what you have to say, too.

01:55:11.000 That's maybe part of why I'm able to disagree with people.

01:55:15.000 Absolutely!

01:55:15.000 Because I still care.

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:17.000 Like, I think we all are different positions on the political spectrum.

01:55:21.000 And no one's, like, clawing at their face.

01:55:24.000 Yeah, because we're not cultists.

01:55:24.000 Pissing their diaper or anything like that.

01:55:27.000 I was rubbing my head really hard earlier.

01:55:29.000 It's alright, you can rub your head.

01:55:31.000 Let's grab some more Super Chats, try and get as many as we can, I suppose.

01:55:34.000 Yes!

01:55:35.000 Norm says, Rebirth of the Militia Act and fund the local sheriff to be head of the militia.

01:55:40.000 I don't know what the Militia Act is.

01:55:41.000 What is that one?

01:55:43.000 I don't know what the Militia Act is, but anything... I mean, if your sheriff is elected, it's a good idea to be pro-your-sheriff, and make sure that the guy that gets elected is good.

01:55:53.000 So if there's a guy that's running that's good, like, help him out, you know?

01:55:56.000 Dude, when the Abolish the Police thing was going viral, I tweeted, Abolish the Police, and then the next... I responded with, and bring back militias.

01:56:05.000 But the point of this tweet was to exemplify what the left was asking for with quote-unquote community policing.

01:56:11.000 That's what militia was.

01:56:12.000 Do you do your own Twitter, by the way?

01:56:13.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:14.000 Yeah, me too.

01:56:15.000 Do you ever just see like some rando pisses you off on Twitter and you like have to go at him for no reason?

01:56:19.000 You ever do that?

01:56:20.000 Yeah, not really.

01:56:21.000 I mean, I might tweet at somebody sometimes.

01:56:23.000 I don't really read the responses.

01:56:25.000 So on Saturday morning, I went and rolled jujitsu, and I messed up my knee.

01:56:29.000 Dude, you roll?

01:56:31.000 No, not much.

01:56:31.000 I try to, but I have a bad knee, and I'm like a white belt.

01:56:34.000 It barely counts.

01:56:35.000 Yeah, I'm a purple belt, man.

01:56:37.000 Yeah, man.

01:56:38.000 That's why I'm all messed up.

01:56:39.000 Look at my elbow.

01:56:40.000 That's both sides, bro.

01:56:41.000 Oh my god.

01:56:42.000 Yeah, here's my shoulder.

01:56:43.000 You have a lot of surgery.

01:56:45.000 Look at this.

01:56:46.000 I got scars everywhere.

01:56:47.000 Jesus Christ.

01:56:48.000 I've got like 20 scars on my chest.

01:56:50.000 Muscles I kind of had to cut like tumors out.

01:56:52.000 All from jiu-jitsu?

01:56:53.000 No.

01:56:54.000 No, the elbow, the shoulders from jiu-jitsu.

01:56:57.000 My knee don't work.

01:56:58.000 My left knee don't work.

01:56:59.000 And then look, this one was operated on too.

01:57:02.000 You see my arms don't straighten?

01:57:03.000 Yeah.

01:57:04.000 That's from jiu-jitsu.

01:57:06.000 Anyways, I was hooked up on the couch all weekend.

01:57:09.000 And the entire time I'm just fighting with commies.

01:57:11.000 Going at commies all weekend.

01:57:13.000 Screw the commies. 0.84

01:57:13.000 I gotta read this one. 0.84

01:57:14.000 Cain Abel says, Tim, what will happen at this point of no return is Sodom and Gomorrah or most likely civil war.

01:57:20.000 No one can reason with the left.

01:57:22.000 They've gone insane.

01:57:24.000 Seamus Coghlan said on the show that, I don't want to ruin his quote because it was brutal, but he said something like, if God doesn't smite the United States, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.

01:57:37.000 And I was like, whoa!

01:57:39.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:57:41.000 He went for it on that one.

01:57:42.000 Yeah, I know, and I'm like, I don't know, I felt kind of blasphemous.

01:57:45.000 Yeah, listen man, I'm wrong on the United States, you know?

01:57:49.000 I am too.

01:57:49.000 I agree.

01:57:49.000 We've been in such worse places before.

01:57:52.000 People like to point out that, like, uh, you're the average empire lasted like 250 years and

01:57:59.000 they're like, Oh, the U S has been around 248 or whatever, blah, blah, blah.

01:58:02.000 And it's like, hold on. The U S has been around 248. It is, it has not been an empire the entire time.

01:58:09.000 It has been an empire since the end of world war two.

01:58:12.000 And however, if the United States empire collapses, it means the rebirth of the United States. Like,

01:58:19.000 What we would refer to as the US imperialist structure is not America.

01:58:22.000 It is a corporatist, neoliberal, neoconservative war machine, and that's exactly what Trump is opposing.

01:58:31.000 Exactly.

01:58:31.000 When Trump says, bring the borders back, bring the manufacturing back, he's saying, make America great again.

01:58:35.000 And you have these corporatist establishment internationalist shills who want war, conflict, military bases.

01:58:42.000 That's not America.

01:58:43.000 That was never America. 0.59

01:58:44.000 So I don't care if the American empire falls.

01:58:46.000 Good.

01:58:47.000 We'll get strong borders. 0.70

01:58:48.000 We'll get shared community again.

01:58:50.000 We'll bring back jobs.

01:58:51.000 Here we go.

01:58:52.000 We talked about Tool, right?

01:58:53.000 One great big festering neon distraction.

01:58:57.000 Man, I'm serious.

01:58:58.000 I'll keep you all occupied.

01:58:59.000 Learn to swim.

01:59:01.000 You know what song really speaks to me is The Sound of Silence.

01:59:05.000 It may not be about today.

01:59:06.000 Simon and Garfunkel?

01:59:07.000 Yeah.

01:59:08.000 It may not be about today, but like, those lyrics resonate still.

01:59:11.000 When it's like, they bowed and prayed to the neon god they made, I'm like, it's Twitter.

01:59:15.000 It's like, you could stick, you could say that song is about Twitter.

01:59:18.000 You know, people speaking without listening, people, you know, or whatever.

01:59:22.000 I'm like, It really does feel like whatever it is they were looking at, because I think they were talking about the free speech movement or something like that, but I'm like... But that's when liberals were actual liberals.

01:59:31.000 Right.

01:59:31.000 Now they're just straight.

01:59:34.000 They're everything they accused the right of being back in the 60s.

01:59:37.000 Absolutely.

01:59:38.000 Right?

01:59:39.000 That definition of the word liberal is being used right now.

01:59:42.000 It's Rush Limbaugh's fault because Rush Limbaugh in the 90s made the term liberal toxic. 0.96

01:59:47.000 He beat the crap out of the left.

01:59:50.000 At the time it probably didn't matter, but now the word, which has a function 0.95

01:59:58.000 and is actually valuable, has been totally annihilated.

02:00:02.000 Dude, that's the thing.

02:00:04.000 It's not the liberals.

02:00:05.000 The leftists themselves say liberals are the first to go.

02:00:08.000 We're the ones who are the problem.

02:00:10.000 It's not us. 0.82

02:00:11.000 All weekend I've been sharing, I have pictures of this graffiti that says liberals get the bullet too, or there's scratch a liberal, scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds. 0.93

02:00:21.000 The far left believes that liberals are fascists.

02:00:26.000 They see no light between liberals and fascists.

02:00:28.000 Well, well, well, to clarify.

02:00:30.000 Far left.

02:00:31.000 The far left thinks liberals are liberals, but are the front line of fascists.

02:00:35.000 Yes.

02:00:35.000 Like they defend the fascists every time.

02:00:37.000 Yeah.

02:00:37.000 I gotta read one last super chat.

02:00:39.000 Go.

02:00:39.000 From Star War Fan.

02:00:41.000 Tim, I've watched for a long while but never donated before.

02:00:44.000 But now my best friend, my dog Misty, has been diagnosed with cancer.

02:00:48.000 Odds aren't good.

02:00:49.000 I've had her for 13 years.

02:00:51.000 I figured you'd sympathize after Mr. Bocas.

02:00:53.000 Give my best girl a shoutout please. 1.00

02:00:55.000 Shoutout to Misty. 0.99

02:00:57.000 You are a very good dog.

02:00:59.000 I'm sorry to hear it, man.

02:00:59.000 It's always sad.

02:01:01.000 But as I often say when it comes to your dog being sick and passing on, or any pet, I just view that emotion you get, that welling up, as your payment for all of the good that your pet gave you, you are now expressing and giving back, like it all built up and was released.

02:01:20.000 And everybody knows this is true, that you would never trade the time you spent with your dog, your best friend, if it meant relieving that pain you're feeling when they pass.

02:01:31.000 The pain you feel when they pass is worth every moment to know all of the joy and happiness they brought you.

02:01:37.000 So I'm sorry to hear that.

02:01:38.000 It's sad.

02:01:38.000 I wish you the best.

02:01:40.000 And for everybody else, thanks so much for hanging out.

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02:01:53.000 It's allowed.

02:01:54.000 It was always allowed.

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02:02:02.000 Dan, do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:03.000 Yeah, you can check us out on Rumble.

02:02:05.000 Rumble.com slash Bongino.

02:02:07.000 And I definitely want to have you down for our show when we build out our new studio.

02:02:11.000 I want to bring the crew, too.

02:02:12.000 These guys are money.

02:02:13.000 We'll do a whole week of shows in Florida.

02:02:16.000 That'd be great, man.

02:02:16.000 That would be so kick-ass, man.

02:02:18.000 You guys are never going to want to leave.

02:02:19.000 It's beautiful.

02:02:20.000 We were just down there, actually.

02:02:21.000 I was playing poker at the Hard Rock Seminole.

02:02:24.000 Dude, how do you do winter anymore, man?

02:02:28.000 I like winter.

02:02:28.000 Eight years without winter and I'm always telling my wife, what the hell?

02:02:33.000 How do we do winter ever?

02:02:34.000 It's like 70 degrees.

02:02:36.000 I like snowboarding.

02:02:39.000 Can't do that in Florida.

02:02:42.000 When's your new studio coming up?

02:02:43.000 Do you have a date?

02:02:44.000 Hopefully by November, December.

02:02:46.000 So I'm definitely going to hook that up.

02:02:48.000 That would be awesome, man.

02:02:49.000 We would totally, we should like simulcast on your stream and we'd blow it up.

02:02:54.000 It'd be like a quarter million people there.

02:02:56.000 Easy.

02:02:56.000 Let's do it.

02:02:57.000 Great.

02:02:57.000 Let's do it.

02:02:58.000 Right on, man.

02:02:59.000 Thanks for having me.

02:03:00.000 You guys are awesome.

02:03:01.000 Hi, uh, not much.

02:03:04.000 Do tell!

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02:03:30.000 Spectacular.

02:03:30.000 Thank you, brother.

02:03:31.000 Good to see you, man.

02:03:32.000 It was an honor.

02:03:32.000 That was awesome, dude.

02:03:32.000 It really was.

02:03:34.000 Also, shout out to Misty the dog. 0.99

02:03:35.000 You're doing it!

02:03:36.000 Good luck.

02:03:38.000 Rest well.

02:03:39.000 Heal up.

02:03:40.000 See you later.

02:03:41.000 And I am Serge.com.

02:03:44.000 Yeah, I'll be in the chat today.

02:03:45.000 I'll be in the comments, rather.

02:03:47.000 Follow me everywhere, please.

02:03:49.000 I enjoy talking to you on Twitter.

02:03:51.000 I enjoy arguing with you on Twitter.

02:03:52.000 This is a good one.

02:03:53.000 Thank you, Dan.

02:03:53.000 Appreciate it, man.

02:03:54.000 Yeah, thank you, guys.

02:03:55.000 It was awesome.

02:03:56.000 I appreciate it.

02:03:56.000 Can't wait to do it again.

02:03:57.000 Yeah, it's gonna be good.

02:03:58.000 Absolutely.

02:03:59.000 Down in Florida.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - May 22, 2023

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