Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Freedom Convoy Becomes THE HONKENING, Trudeau FLEES Mandate Protest w-Peter Schweizer

00:00:03.000 The honking is upon us.

00:00:05.000 The Freedom Convoy has reached Ottawa.

00:00:07.000 Justin Trudeau has fled the city to an undisclosed location.

00:00:11.000 And now vehicles across the city are slamming their horns, honking like crazy in protest of the vaccine mandates.

00:00:19.000 And of course, the people who live there, not everyone, not all of them, but many of them are taking to online forums, outraged, saying, why won't these people stop?

00:00:27.000 And the mainstream media in the United States and Canada are smearing the freedom truckers.

00:00:32.000 That's right.

00:00:32.000 When the workers of the world unite, the left gets mad, apparently.

00:00:36.000 But we've got some mainstream articles that are calling them white supremacists, who are flinging feces, and stealing from the homeless.

00:00:43.000 Wow, they are really, really and desperately trying to shut down and lie about what these truckers are doing.

00:00:50.000 But with Ottawa and the honking comes the U.S., with many U.S.

00:00:54.000 truckers and people just across the country preparing to engage in their own honking in their hometown.

00:00:59.000 So we got a lot to talk about there.

00:01:00.000 We've got Hunter Biden's business associate apparently cooperating on a tax investigation.

00:01:06.000 Maybe something will happen, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

00:01:09.000 And then I just, I got to bring it up.

00:01:12.000 Whoopi Goldberg.

00:01:13.000 ...said on The View that the Holocaust was not about race.

00:01:17.000 And everybody stared at her, dumbfounded and confused, as she repeatedly doubled down and said, it's just white people doing it to each other. 0.88

00:01:25.000 So we're going to have to talk about that one, because that is a doozy.

00:01:30.000 Joining us is an individual who has been disparagingly mentioned in leaked emails from the Clintons, Peter Schweitzer.

00:01:38.000 That's a great intro.

00:01:39.000 I told you I was going to say that.

00:01:41.000 That's great.

00:01:42.000 Why were they disparaging you in emails?

00:01:45.000 You know, I wrote this book called Clinton Cash that exposed kind of their business model.

00:01:49.000 I mean, they went from being completely broke when Bill Clinton left the White House to 10 years later, they were worth like $250 million.

00:01:56.000 Hillary was in the Senate, she was Secretary of State, and they didn't like the way that I exposed

00:02:00.000 that. So, yeah, they had some not such nice things to say about me. I don't think Chelsea

00:02:04.000 ever disparaged me. I never heard Chelsea, but Bill and Hillary were not happy.

00:02:08.000 But now you got a book about Biden and Xi Jinping, Sean.

00:02:12.000 Yeah, it's a book about all these Americans from the president, Congress, Republicans, and Democrats.

00:02:17.000 We've got people in Silicon Valley, Bill Gates, Elon Musk.

00:02:21.000 And then you look at Wall Street, the big Wall Street banks, all doing deals in China and all apologizing for China and all, frankly, helping China in their competition with the United States. 0.74

00:02:31.000 So, you know, I name names and expose them.

00:02:34.000 Well, we will get into all of that, too.

00:02:35.000 So thanks for joining us.

00:02:36.000 Oh, great to be here.

00:02:37.000 We've also got Shimcast.

00:02:37.000 Thanks.

00:02:39.000 Seamus Coghlan here.

00:02:40.000 Thank you for joining us on Shimcast IRL.

00:02:42.000 I am also, besides being a podcast host, the creator of Freedom Tunes.

00:02:48.000 So if you want to go over to Freedom Tunes, check that out.

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00:02:50.000 We do a political cartoon every single week, sometimes twice a week.

00:02:55.000 And I want to say, I'm very excited for the show because the pre-show discussion was really fantastic and fascinating.

00:03:00.000 When I'm thinking about the interaction with China, I think about Vladimir Lenin's, I think his quote was, the capitalists will sell us the rope that we will use to hang them or something.

00:03:09.000 That's exactly it. 0.96

00:03:09.000 We'll sell you the rope you'll use to hang yourself. 0.96

00:03:12.000 So like buying, you know, Chinese goods kind of makes me think of that metaphor these days.

00:03:17.000 Not that we're necessarily at war, but it's a conversation to have.

00:03:20.000 Yeah.

00:03:21.000 And I am also here pushing buttons in the corner.

00:03:23.000 I'm very excited for this conversation, because like Ian was saying, they're definitely selling us a rope we're gonna hang ourselves with, and I'm afraid we already have, so let's see what's going on with that.

00:03:31.000 I kind of feel like we should get one of those buttons you can buy where you can record a sound effect, and we should just have like a honk button, like honk honk honk honk honk honk.

00:03:38.000 Because it's a honk.

00:03:39.000 Just like honk when we approve, like Seamus did something good, we honk!

00:03:43.000 You would never honk it.

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00:04:41.000 But let's get into that first story.

00:04:44.000 Justin Trudeau says we are not intimidated.

00:04:47.000 Trudeau won't meet convoy that continues to gridlock Ottawa.

00:04:52.000 Before I read this, I want to give a trigger warning to all the people who despise the mainstream media, because this one, my friends, this one is a doozy.

00:05:02.000 And I'm not literally giving you a trigger warning, I'm just building suspense, because check this out.

00:05:07.000 They write for the Toronto Sun.

00:05:09.000 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he will neither meet with nor be intimidated by the convoy of Canadians he says spent the last few days harassing local businesses, waving Nazi flags, and stealing food from the homeless!

00:05:23.000 What?

00:05:25.000 What is he talking about?

00:05:26.000 In all of the smears I have seen of protests in my day, that is impressive.

00:05:34.000 And I was at Occupy Wall Street, and boy did the media go after them.

00:05:38.000 But this is a bunch of truckers.

00:05:40.000 This is the lifeblood of any nation, delivering goods, angry with vaccine mandates, and protesting it.

00:05:47.000 And that is the characterization used in the media.

00:05:50.000 Bravo.

00:05:51.000 Also, can I ask a question?

00:05:51.000 I'm impressed.

00:05:53.000 These truckers are stealing food from the homeless.

00:05:55.000 What about the people who decided that we needed to print trillions and trillions of dollars and then inflated our currency so that lower-income people have less of an ability to buy food?

00:06:02.000 Are they stealing food from the homeless?

00:06:03.000 They're stealing from all of us.

00:06:05.000 What about those people on top of that decided we need to impose a vaccine mandate on the truckers who literally bring us our food?

00:06:11.000 Oh yeah.

00:06:12.000 I saw a good post and it said, it was like a lefty thing, And it said, stop saying labor shortage and start saying living wage shortage.

00:06:19.000 And I responded, stop saying living wage shortage and say inflation.

00:06:23.000 Yeah.

00:06:23.000 Right.

00:06:24.000 Yeah.

00:06:24.000 Right.

00:06:24.000 Yeah.

00:06:25.000 The thing that strikes me about this, it's classic attack the messenger, right?

00:06:28.000 So they're going after the truckers.

00:06:30.000 They're making these ridiculous claims about the truckers because they don't want to deal with the substance of the issue.

00:06:34.000 And the other thing I don't understand is he says he's not going to be intimidated, but Didn't Justin Trudeau like retreat or leave?

00:06:41.000 He's hiding.

00:06:42.000 He's literally hiding from them.

00:06:43.000 I think he is intimidated by the truckers, isn't he?

00:06:46.000 He's like, I'm not scared of you guys.

00:06:48.000 I'm not scared at all.

00:06:49.000 He's like turning around.

00:06:51.000 He's like, I will not be intimidated.

00:06:53.000 Breaking news, Justin Trudeau has fled Ottawa to an undisclosed location.

00:06:59.000 So let me read, this is amazing.

00:07:00.000 Speaking to Canadians from isolation after testing positive for COVID.

00:07:03.000 Oh, that's the reason he left.

00:07:06.000 He said, freedom of expression, assembly and association are cornerstones of democracy, but Nazi symbolism, racist imagery and desecration of war memorials are not.

00:07:15.000 It is an insult to memory and truth.

00:07:17.000 Hate can never be the answer.

00:07:19.000 Now, I'm going to tell you this.

00:07:20.000 When BLM came to Ottawa, he came out and he took a knee with all of them.

00:07:24.000 He marched with them.

00:07:25.000 He protested with them.

00:07:27.000 And I'll also say, I certainly think anybody involved in that protest should completely agree.

00:07:32.000 Yeah, Nazi symbols, racism, and all that stuff, not acceptable.

00:07:35.000 We agree.

00:07:36.000 Thanks, Justin.

00:07:37.000 Are you still scared?

00:07:37.000 Are you still going to run away?

00:07:38.000 Or are you going to come and meet with the people on the substance?

00:07:41.000 The answer is no.

00:07:42.000 Well, like, during the BLM protest, did he mention that burning down people's businesses and destroying their ability to make a living is horrible and bad, and that he can't stand with the protest on that basis?

00:07:51.000 Of course not.

00:07:52.000 And then when we're looking at this, he's saying, having Nazi flags and desecrating memorials are not something that I'm willing to contend with.

00:07:59.000 Okay, then how about we have a conversation about what they're actually doing, okay?

00:08:02.000 Because if any of them are even doing that, it's a tiny, tiny fringe minority.

00:08:06.000 So why doesn't he talk about the fact that there are working-class people banding together to protect their rights as workers?

00:08:11.000 You know, this is really interesting because when I was reading about this protest, it sounds so much like Occupy Wall Street.

00:08:17.000 It sounds like how they went after Occupy.

00:08:19.000 And then my response was, hey, you know, radical left, the radical left did co-opt Occupy Wall Street and turn it into something else.

00:08:26.000 It was a populist uprising.

00:08:28.000 There were libertarians, there were conservatives, there were left, there were liberals, and they were upset over the banker bailouts.

00:08:33.000 Within a couple weeks, though, the radical left completely co-opted the message and the money and booted out anyone who opposed them.

00:08:40.000 So, you know, people who are at the Strucker protest should make sure no ideologue should be able to take that message.

00:08:44.000 Yeah.

00:08:45.000 Here's the thing I don't get, though.

00:08:46.000 I mean, it used to be, you look back in the 60s, you know, Reagan was governor of California, the anti-war protesters.

00:08:53.000 He didn't agree with them, but he'd meet with them.

00:08:54.000 There used to be this tradition, you know, if you're a political leader and somebody's protesting and you don't agree with them, you try to at least meet.

00:09:01.000 I mean, Justin Trudeau is not even prepared to meet with these guys.

00:09:05.000 That's what's so shocking to me.

00:09:07.000 I mean, they've got thousands of people doing this.

00:09:08.000 You've got support for it.

00:09:10.000 And Justin Trudeau is like, no, I'm going to pretend like you don't even exist.

00:09:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:15.000 Well, whenever working-class people try to band together to have their voice heard, it's insinuated that there's something wrong with them as a group of people for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual cause they're arguing for.

00:09:26.000 So, Tim mentioned Occupy Wall Street and how that was less partisan when it began.

00:09:29.000 Interestingly enough, the Tea Party, which was generally to the right, was actually started on MSNBC.

00:09:35.000 It was a left-wing pundit who said, we need a modern-day Tea Party because it is taxation without representation to spend money that future generations will have to pay off.

00:09:43.000 Right, but then of course the Tea Party was instantly maligned as a racist movement, right?

00:09:48.000 And there were politicians who claimed I can't remember who maybe you guys do but that they called them the n-word and

00:09:53.000 other racial Slurs and all of the footage from the event show that that 1.00

00:09:57.000 did not happen, right?

00:09:58.000 Right. That's the go-to thing now, unfortunately And look, I think we all agree that there are racists out

00:10:04.000 there and they say racist things and do racist things But every single time now there's an event or in a protest

00:10:10.000 this becomes kind of the shorthand prescription for what's wrong with the people or that they're

00:10:16.000 all doing it. And I just don't buy it.

00:10:17.000 I mean I'm sure that maybe there are a couple of knuckleheads that are doing stupid and hateful things among the group but The vast majority of them are just Canadian truckers. 0.99

00:10:26.000 I mean, how bad can they be, right? 0.97

00:10:28.000 They're ordinary working class people and this becomes kind of a go-to explanation for everything.

00:10:33.000 It's really disappointing because when you do actually have cases of racism that occur, people don't believe it anymore.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, I also just want to mention it was John Lewis who claimed that he was called racial slurs by the Tea Party.

00:10:44.000 There was zero evidence for it, and in fact, there was evidence that he was.

00:10:46.000 Well, we hear the same thing with Chuck Schumer and the January 6th protesters.

00:10:50.000 He said they were yelling things about Jews, and everyone was like, oh, come on.

00:10:54.000 The rioters did a lot of things, but that one is just so over-the-top, hard to believe.

00:10:59.000 Show me the footage.

00:11:00.000 This is funny.

00:11:01.000 Check this out.

00:11:02.000 He said, people were waving hateful flags, including swastikas and the Confederate flag.

00:11:07.000 Alright, well I did see a photo of someone with a Nazi flag and I'm genuinely confused by it, but like, I guess, you know, look, there are gonna be people and they're gonna do dumb stuff or have belief in bad things.

00:11:16.000 The Confederate flag is the one that's really weird to me.

00:11:19.000 Y'all are in Canada!

00:11:20.000 I know!

00:11:21.000 It's those guys in Saskatchewan, right?

00:11:24.000 Even if someone there was legitimately like, I'm going to wave this flag, I'd be like, why?

00:11:28.000 Right.

00:11:29.000 Well, the other thing, too, is like these protests happen.

00:11:31.000 It happened in Occupy Wall Street.

00:11:32.000 These truckers show up, you know, who's to say the guy with the Nazi flag is a trucker?

00:11:37.000 It may have just been some Nazi who was around.

00:11:39.000 He was like, I'm going to go in the crowd and I'm going to wave my flag around.

00:11:41.000 That's the thing, too.

00:11:42.000 I was at a protest in Boston, and it was Antifa on one side, the left and the right on the other side, and I was talking to some guy from the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America, and I asked him what they were doing, what their plan was, and he was like, we just want healthcare for people and better policing.

00:11:58.000 And I was like, what would you say to the critics who would say that you guys are just communists and that this is a front and once you get power?

00:12:04.000 He was like, that's not true, we don't endorse that stuff.

00:12:07.000 And then I asked him what he thought about the right.

00:12:09.000 And he was like, look, you got a bunch of far-right extremists and racists.

00:12:12.000 I mean, look, they're waving Confederate flags over there.

00:12:15.000 And I was like, well, that's one guy with a Confederate flag.

00:12:17.000 He's like, yeah, well, they're all standing around him, aren't they?

00:12:19.000 And I was like, well, you guys are waving communist flags.

00:12:21.000 He's like, no, we aren't.

00:12:22.000 And I turned around like 20 feet away.

00:12:24.000 I'm like, there's a gigantic Soviet Union flag and they're waving it.

00:12:27.000 And he went, well, that's not ours.

00:12:30.000 And I was like, right, right, well the guy's over there, it's got one guy with a confederate flag.

00:12:33.000 I mean, you don't want to throw everybody, lump every- I understand there's, you know, different groups of people here, and, you know, I don't know if they understand what they're saying when they lump everyone in.

00:12:42.000 But it's the same old smear, and this one, I gotta admit, is just outright impressive.

00:12:47.000 It's just like, the degree to which the media and the politicians are desperate to go, these Canadian men were waving confederate flags!

00:12:54.000 It's like, You know what it is?

00:12:56.000 It's they're obsessed with American media.

00:12:58.000 So this is American, you know, left sentiment seeping into Canada.

00:12:58.000 Right.

00:13:04.000 Look, Canadians that are listening, explain to me why someone would wave the Confederate flag.

00:13:09.000 I don't get it.

00:13:09.000 The North will rise again!

00:13:13.000 They're north of the north.

00:13:14.000 Exactly.

00:13:15.000 The north will rise again, eh?

00:13:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:19.000 No, it's so bizarre.

00:13:19.000 Also, I'm still getting a kick out of stealing food from homeless people.

00:13:24.000 That's hysterical.

00:13:25.000 Who decided?

00:13:26.000 Like, who printed that?

00:13:27.000 Is there a story to go along with this?

00:13:29.000 Yeah, there's a story that some of the people at the protest went to a homeless shelter and demanded they give food to the truckers.

00:13:35.000 And the homeless shelter agreed to de-escalate things.

00:13:38.000 And then I, you know, you know, I'm willing to bet.

00:13:40.000 I'm willing to bet that it was like some people walked over the homeless shelter and said, hey, would you guys be willing to give food to the truckers?

00:13:45.000 And they went, uh, yeah, sure.

00:13:46.000 And they went, thank you.

00:13:47.000 And they're like, oh, they stole our food.

00:13:49.000 They called the press.

00:13:50.000 Help us, please.

00:13:51.000 Something so like it's, it's, it's, it's mainstream press.

00:13:55.000 I agree with you that it's probably blown out of proportion, but you do have to be careful with large groups of people moving across countries like that.

00:14:02.000 Like I think about the, um, The Crusaders in the Crusades, man, because it would be all benevolent.

00:14:07.000 Yay, we're fighting for God.

00:14:08.000 We're Christian, but they're still human and they need food.

00:14:11.000 So they just pillage on the way.

00:14:13.000 They just take people's food. 0.51

00:14:15.000 They just kill.

00:14:16.000 They shack up in people's houses.

00:14:19.000 So it can get pretty bad.

00:14:21.000 But this is a different story.

00:14:22.000 This is people in trucks.

00:14:23.000 It should be condemned, right?

00:14:24.000 No matter what, be like, hey, look, if that really happened, of course no one's okay with it.

00:14:27.000 There's a story about a guy, like apparently someone threw feces at someone's house

00:14:32.000 because they had a pride flag.

00:14:33.000 And I'm like, well, that sounds really absurd to me.

00:14:35.000 Was it a monkey?

00:14:36.000 But I don't, I'm saying, what human being does that?

00:14:40.000 It sounds really absurd, but you know what?

00:14:42.000 Condemn it outright.

00:14:43.000 Nobody's okay with that.

00:14:45.000 And if anybody involved in the trucker protest should be like, we're so sorry someone would do that to you guys.

00:14:50.000 They should just outright be like, no one here agrees with that.

00:14:53.000 We're sorry it happened.

00:14:54.000 And with the tens of millions of dollars raised, if it were me, this is what I'd do.

00:14:57.000 I'd say, we're going to clean that up for you.

00:14:58.000 We're going to cover the cost of that because we want to make sure, you know, in fact, I would even allocate money to general street cleaning.

00:15:04.000 I'd say we're going to bring a lot of people, you know, we got a lot of trucks coming through.

00:15:07.000 We want to make sure that we can leave the place where you live clean and tidy up.

00:15:11.000 In fact, there was a, what was that protest where everyone cleaned up afterwards recently?

00:15:16.000 I can't remember what it was.

00:15:17.000 We were talking about it a few months ago.

00:15:18.000 Like, a bunch of right-wing people came and they protested.

00:15:20.000 I know what you're talking about.

00:15:21.000 And they all cleaned up the garbage.

00:15:23.000 Yeah.

00:15:24.000 And when you look at these left-wing rallies at the Women's March, it's just totally trashed. 0.99

00:15:27.000 Disgusting. 1.00

00:15:28.000 Just obliterated. 1.00

00:15:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:29.000 Well, here we are.

00:15:31.000 So where does this end, Tim?

00:15:32.000 I mean, you know, you've got these guys approaching us, where does this end?

00:15:35.000 People are still, we have some superchats, you know, we save them for the end, but people are mentioning that the convoy is not even in the city yet.

00:15:41.000 Oh, really?

00:15:41.000 Like it's been, it was 50 miles long.

00:15:45.000 And so you have 50,000 truckers.

00:15:47.000 So what we're seeing is just the tip, just the tip entering.

00:15:51.000 Yeah.

00:15:51.000 Well, I just want to say, I'm so proud of Canada and Canadians here.

00:15:55.000 My whole life, I had this perception that they were much more complacent.

00:15:58.000 And I think that's the image of them that sold to us, especially because their government is so much more restrictive than ours.

00:16:03.000 But not long ago, I started to actually speak to people from Canada and I found that many of them are really quite convicted and, and based and actually understand what's going on and want to resist tyranny.

00:16:15.000 And so I love that they're sending this message to the world.

00:16:19.000 Amen.

00:16:19.000 I don't know for sure if most Canadians would be like, yo, let's join the Americans instead of the British, like if they had to pick.

00:16:26.000 But I imagine they'd be like, yeah, all right.

00:16:28.000 What you mean during the Revolutionary War?

00:16:30.000 No, like today.

00:16:30.000 If you got to side with democratic freedom, democratic republicanism, or if you got to side with the monarchy, you side with democratic republicanism.

00:16:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:39.000 Quebec was the 14th colony, though.

00:16:41.000 They said no.

00:16:42.000 They were like, we will not declare independence.

00:16:44.000 You know it's an interesting point you make because I was just reading a book on the American Revolution, War for Independence, and you know I always kind of thought like everybody was on board with kicking the British out.

00:16:55.000 And the best estimate was like one-third of them wanted independence, one-third of them were loyal, and the other third were kind of in between.

00:17:03.000 And you kind of wonder, is that the way it always is?

00:17:05.000 You know, these big changes that you have, what's going on in Canada right now, is it kind of the rule of thirds, right?

00:17:11.000 That it's not an overwhelming majority of people, and you've got to persuade that other third.

00:17:15.000 So the things you were talking about, about cleaning up the streets, about condemning things, that's a way to win that other third and get the majority.

00:17:22.000 But I kind of feel like we're almost to the point where there is no other third.

00:17:25.000 You know, we've looked at a lot of polling over the past several months.

00:17:29.000 The independent base is melting as people keep switching.

00:17:34.000 So there's people switching from, at least in the U.S., Democrat to Republican.

00:17:38.000 Independents are being pulled left and right, with the biggest group of independents going Republican.

00:17:41.000 The Republican Party is starting to balance out and gain on the Democratic Party.

00:17:45.000 But there's almost no middle anymore.

00:17:47.000 If you're a centrist, I mean, like, I feel like this show we do is a balance of opinion.

00:17:52.000 It's called right wing by the left.

00:17:53.000 And it's the most insane thing because, I mean, I watch some conservative shows and I'm like, I can certainly see the difference between the show we do and the show they do, and so can our viewers.

00:18:03.000 But if you're on the left, It's all right-wing.

00:18:05.000 So when you get to that point, it's almost like, do you really win that third?

00:18:08.000 I mean, I guess so.

00:18:10.000 Obviously we're trying to.

00:18:12.000 We're trying to convince those people to join Freedom.

00:18:14.000 And I think it's working because even Democrat voters are switching over to Republican.

00:18:18.000 Not that Republican is the right answer, mind you.

00:18:20.000 It's just like people feel like it's their only alternative.

00:18:22.000 But things are hyper-polarizing.

00:18:24.000 Right.

00:18:24.000 But there are a group of people who are kind of apolitical, right?

00:18:27.000 I mean, they have cultural opinions, but apolitical.

00:18:31.000 And I agree with you.

00:18:32.000 It's a diminishing group to what it used to be.

00:18:35.000 But I just want to believe and hope that there is a persuadable group in the country and that you can and that's why you need to do these things and demonstrate you know how important your views and values are and do things like you were saying clean up the streets and I think everyone is persuadable to a certain degree, and I think it's not about a middle ground, a one-third.

00:18:53.000 I think we're actually looking at Democrat voter base.

00:18:56.000 We're looking at default liberal types.

00:18:59.000 I think that's what Andrew Breitbart called them.

00:19:00.000 Right.

00:19:00.000 Default liberals.

00:19:01.000 So they vote Democrat.

00:19:02.000 They align with the Democratic Party.

00:19:04.000 They say that they're Democrats, and now they're watching what's going on and they're rolling their eyes and saying, yo, I'm out.

00:19:09.000 Many of them are voting for Republican.

00:19:10.000 Many, I think Pew referred to them as the stressed sideline.

00:19:13.000 Yeah.

00:19:13.000 But I don't think, you know, it's large enough at this point.

00:19:17.000 I think what's actually happening is shows like this, shows like Joe Rogan and other, you know, other shows, even conservative ones and even some left ones like Jimmy Dore, are eroding at the establishment narrative.

00:19:28.000 And it's resulting in people just saying, I'm done with that group of people, the celebrity message.

00:19:32.000 I mean, look at that story.

00:19:34.000 Waving Nazi flags and hate symbols.

00:19:36.000 Like, seriously?

00:19:38.000 There was a tweet from Kurt Schlichter.

00:19:39.000 It was really funny.

00:19:40.000 I can't remember exactly what he said, but he was like, the left is really mad that the workers of the world are uniting.

00:19:46.000 It's kind of funny how that's working out, right?

00:19:48.000 These are truckers.

00:19:49.000 These are typically younger to middle-aged guys who are just driving on the road.

00:19:55.000 You know, people of all different backgrounds, honestly, who drive trucks, but not the kind 1.00

00:20:00.000 of people you expect to be marching around throwing bricks through windows.

00:20:03.000 And here we are with the smears and the manipulation.

00:20:05.000 No, I mean, yeah, well, these are people with a sense of responsibility.

00:20:08.000 They have jobs.

00:20:08.000 That's the entire reason that they're protesting.

00:20:10.000 It's for their rights as workers.

00:20:12.000 These are not irresponsible teenagers who are going out trying to destroy things like we saw for an entire summer.

00:20:17.000 And that was never condemned by any of the people who are condemning all of these truckers for something that a fringe minority within their group is doing and who, quite frankly, we don't even know is a fringe minority within their group.

00:20:26.000 These could just be randos showing up.

00:20:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:29.000 So you asked, like, where does this all go?

00:20:31.000 You know, what's fascinating is that this story is happening in Canada.

00:20:35.000 And, you know, I was talking with people just before the show, and I think it was my brother who said it's like a global civil war almost.

00:20:43.000 Because it's not just the United States that's experiencing this cultural rift.

00:20:46.000 It's Europe, Canada, the United States.

00:20:49.000 Australia, Australia, and to a certain extent, Australia, New Zealand, but Australia, man, things are bad there.

00:20:55.000 What is it that the British Empire is crumbling?

00:20:57.000 Is that what basically finally?

00:20:58.000 Yeah, maybe like 600 years or something.

00:21:01.000 It's the culture that was born out of mostly, I guess, British colonization.

00:21:07.000 Due to physics.

00:21:08.000 They figured out physics first, Isaac Newton, so then they had long-range cannon fire from boats, and they dominated the sea, basically.

00:21:13.000 And steam Gatling guns, I was reading about, allowed them to just dominate.

00:21:18.000 But it's interesting.

00:21:20.000 It's not just the former British colonies and the Commonwealth.

00:21:24.000 There's parts of Europe, too, but it really does feel like... People say Western civilization and all that stuff, and I'm like, it is very much like Canada, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, the Five Eyes spy club, whatever you want to call it.

00:21:35.000 Certain parts of Europe, but you look to some of these European countries and they're like either getting rid of their COVID mandates completely and just going back to normal.

00:21:43.000 And then you look at the United States, you look at Canada, you look at the UK and the same culture war thing is happening across the board.

00:21:49.000 So why is that?

00:21:50.000 I don't know.

00:21:51.000 When I talk about, you know, the potential for civil war and stuff like that, I do find it fascinating that now the establishment left is completely on board with the narrative.

00:21:58.000 You know, you've got this one guy who put out a book recently, The Next Civil War.

00:22:01.000 You've got MSNBC talking about it.

00:22:02.000 You've got The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic.

00:22:04.000 They're all now saying, like, where are we headed?

00:22:07.000 And then if you actually, when we look at what's going on with the truckers, we look at how Trudeau responds.

00:22:11.000 When they start claiming that working class people in trucks are like evil white supremacist Nazis and all that stuff, I'm like, there is no convincing this other side.

00:22:20.000 You either concede to them, give them concession, or you assert yourself now and recognize the groups are two completely separate groups that will not ever work together.

00:22:29.000 There's no convincing them because Klaus Schwab, and I don't want to put it all on you Klaus, there's probably other people involved, they don't want to not think this.

00:22:38.000 They're intentionally choosing to believe that there's some sort of rift.

00:22:43.000 So it's like you can't convince someone that is going to choose to believe it.

00:22:48.000 Does that make sense?

00:22:49.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 I see Luke's in the comments trying to- Help me, Luke.

00:22:53.000 What am I missing?

00:22:54.000 No, we don't read his comments now.

00:22:55.000 He left us.

00:22:55.000 Yeah, he did.

00:22:56.000 So we'll just ignore Luke's comment.

00:22:58.000 No, Luke said it's called the Great Reset.

00:22:59.000 It's part of the Great Reset, yeah.

00:23:00.000 Maybe, but Adrian Curry commented, too, that it's China that's sowing this dissent.

00:23:07.000 I wonder what your thought is, Peter, on this culture war that's happening in Canada, the US, and the UK.

00:23:14.000 Some have suggested, we've had guests on the show that say, you know, China's got troll armies that sow dissent and they push these messages and they're very divisive.

00:23:22.000 So I'm wondering what your thoughts are.

00:23:23.000 Yeah, I think it is a factor.

00:23:25.000 I think that, you know, it's simplifying it somewhat, but I think the fundamental debate is, you know, where do our rights come from?

00:23:31.000 And people on the left say that our rights come from government.

00:23:34.000 Government tells us what our rights are.

00:23:36.000 And if you're somebody, I don't even want to say necessarily conservative or right wing.

00:23:40.000 I think it's just a way of viewing it.

00:23:42.000 The other alternative view is that no, our rights come from God or come from the fact that we are human beings and that we are sovereign.

00:23:49.000 And it seems to me that's what so many of these debates are about.

00:23:52.000 And China, I think, is playing a big role.

00:23:55.000 They have these troll armies that try to Pick fights and sow division online.

00:23:59.000 One of the things I talk about in the book are these very wealthy Chinese oligarchs.

00:24:05.000 The book Red-Handed.

00:24:06.000 Yeah, the book Red-Handed, exactly.

00:24:08.000 A lot of these oligarchs that made their money with these state-owned companies or these state-linked companies like Alibaba and whatnot.

00:24:15.000 There's a guy featured in the book named Joe Tsai.

00:24:17.000 He lives in California, is worth $20 billion, very tight with the CCP government.

00:24:23.000 And he goes on college campuses saying there are no human rights problems in China.

00:24:27.000 Everything's great.

00:24:28.000 But at the same time, he's given one hundred million dollars to Black Lives Matter causes.

00:24:32.000 And he talks about how unjust America is and how, you know, does he have a right to do that?

00:24:37.000 Sure.

00:24:37.000 But how can you in any universe argue that America is this horribly unjust, bigoted society and say that communist China is a great place to live?

00:24:48.000 It's interesting.

00:24:50.000 China versus America is very much the same culture war as internally in America, right?

00:24:56.000 So I'll give you an example.

00:24:58.000 I'll break down what I mean.

00:25:00.000 The left is willing to The establishment left and many leftists, cultural leftists, lie, cheat, and steal to say whatever they have to say in order to win.

00:25:08.000 They'll ban, censor, shut down, silence, etc.

00:25:11.000 The right is constantly trying to play by some kind of rules.

00:25:14.000 And I don't mean like the establishment right, I mean the culture war right, which includes libertarians, moderates, post-liberals, etc.

00:25:21.000 They're constantly saying things that, you know, it's remarkable.

00:25:24.000 I'm not going to get into the overt specifics, but it's obvious to anybody who watches, the right is constantly trying to have a conversation with the left that the left is uninterested in having.

00:25:32.000 The left has asserted its position is true and unfalsifiable, and so be it therefore.

00:25:36.000 But the right keeps saying, you know, oh, let's work out a deal.

00:25:39.000 Simple example is like, you know, Joe Rogan and Spotify.

00:25:42.000 They want to ban Joe Rogan.

00:25:44.000 They want to shut his show down.

00:25:45.000 So they start pulling their music off the platform.

00:25:47.000 In response, Joe and Spotify give some concessions.

00:25:49.000 Okay, we'll put advisories on these podcasts.

00:25:52.000 But what about podcasts with Fauci?

00:25:54.000 Are they going to include Dr. Robert Malone in these advisories?

00:25:57.000 They're not going to do it.

00:25:58.000 So what keeps happening is The freedom-loving individuals keep conceding some points to the authoritarian left.

00:26:05.000 Now, on the grand international scale, it's the same thing with China.

00:26:08.000 China is absolutist, the Communist Party.

00:26:11.000 You oppose us, you get crushed.

00:26:13.000 Who's that guy?

00:26:13.000 Jack Ma?

00:26:14.000 Was that his name?

00:26:15.000 Gone!

00:26:15.000 Money wiped away because how dare you?

00:26:18.000 But in the United States, we don't do that.

00:26:20.000 To a certain degree, you'll get canceled if you cross the line and you lose, you know, because once again, it's the authoritarian left.

00:26:26.000 But because of this power imbalance, and I would call it integrity and principle imbalance, China can look at someone like LeBron James and say, we're going to give you $10 million.

00:26:37.000 Never talk bad about us.

00:26:38.000 And he goes, you got it.

00:26:40.000 Then he comes to the United States, where the left plays by a similar game, and they say, Yeah.

00:26:44.000 Don't screw with us. We are the ones who are going to make sure your contracts stay in. But if you

00:26:47.000 challenge us, we'll get them revoked. So what happens?

00:26:50.000 America is really bad. Why? The left agrees and the Chinese Communist Party agrees. Those that 1.00

00:26:54.000 are playing by the rules are getting wiped out. Yeah. And bizarrely, there's a consistency to

00:27:00.000 that, that the United States is terrible and China is great.

00:27:03.000 And in both cases, you get paid.

00:27:05.000 You don't pay any price, really, in today's culture, popular culture, for, you know, disagreeing with BLM.

00:27:13.000 I mean, you get canceled.

00:27:14.000 So the path to least resistance is basically to embrace these sort of left-wing ideas.

00:27:20.000 And it's the same thing with China.

00:27:22.000 And you never pay a price for it.

00:27:24.000 I mean, as I point out in the book with LeBron James, everybody knows the recent thing about the tweeting about Hong Kong and how he was defending them.

00:27:32.000 It goes back, I mean, he's been doing this for like 15 years.

00:27:34.000 There was a crisis, you guys might remember, back in 2007-2008, Darfur.

00:27:41.000 You had in Sudan, you know, 200,000 black Christians were slaughtered in the South by this regime.

00:27:46.000 The regime was backed by the Chinese government.

00:27:49.000 And there was actually a petition in the NBA to call out China because they were backing this regime that was slaughtering black Christians. 0.70

00:27:58.000 And LeBron James refused to sign the petition.

00:28:01.000 So for a guy who says black lives matter, as we all do, those black lives did not matter to him because he did not want to offend China.

00:28:12.000 But come on, Peter.

00:28:13.000 I want you to imagine something, all right?

00:28:16.000 It's a snowy, beautiful mountain.

00:28:18.000 You're up top in a big 8,000 square foot cabin.

00:28:22.000 The whole north face of the building is one big glass window, and you wake up, And you press the coffee button on your Keurig and it makes you a nice hot cappuccino and you walk to the window and you look out at this beautiful sunset and you smile to yourself and say, this $40 million cabin was worth selling out all of those suffering people and you sip it.

00:28:41.000 And that's what I imagine is going through LeBron and all these other guys' heads when they buy these properties and the money is, they genuinely believe it's worth it.

00:28:49.000 Well, and it's interesting that the people who are able to afford to buy off famous celebrities to espouse their political views are almost all on the left.

00:28:57.000 And one question I want to pose to everybody is, when Justin Trudeau talks about these truckers, do you think he actually knows any?

00:29:04.000 Do you think Justin Trudeau has anyone in his life who does that professionally?

00:29:10.000 And I see it as a problem.

00:29:12.000 Not necessarily of income inequality, but of economic stratification.

00:29:17.000 So in the past, income inequality existed, but you were hanging out with people who were in different income brackets.

00:29:22.000 You knew farmers, you knew plumbers, you knew people who were in the working class, even if you had an accounting job.

00:29:29.000 And a lot of that was the community that was built up at your church, and I can testify to that as well.

00:29:34.000 At my church and in my social group, we're fortunate enough to have all sorts of people from different economic brackets because we're focused on a larger mission.

00:29:43.000 But nowadays, people really gravitate towards their own in-group with respect to wealth, and then they sort of pat themselves on the back because they think their particular in-group, because it's left-leaning, represents the views of the working class.

00:29:56.000 But then when they hear what actual working-class people have to say, they lose their minds.

00:29:59.000 So I think at the end of the day, a question that you need to ask yourself about any political leader is, Is this a person who would fit in better with, like, Walmart shoppers or Whole Foods shoppers?

00:30:09.000 And Justin Trudeau is not gonna fit in with a group of people who live normal lives.

00:30:14.000 He's not a Whole Foods shopper.

00:30:15.000 He's, uh, what's that place called?

00:30:16.000 Erewhon?

00:30:17.000 Is that what it's called?

00:30:18.000 Never been there.

00:30:18.000 But is it called Erewhon?

00:30:20.000 I don't know.

00:30:20.000 I've never heard that name.

00:30:21.000 Wegmans?

00:30:22.000 I don't know.

00:30:23.000 No, there's a really, really expensive grocery store in L.A.

00:30:28.000 that all the celebrities go to.

00:30:30.000 Maybe I got the name totally wrong.

00:30:31.000 Yeah.

00:30:31.000 We look it up.

00:30:32.000 There's Aldi, but that's not really expensive.

00:30:34.000 Aldi, that's where we went as kids.

00:30:36.000 There's a very expensive store in L.A., and I was outside once, and I saw Jake Gyllenhaal walk in, and that's where the celebrities shop.

00:30:44.000 You know what's funny?

00:30:47.000 Yeah, I think you make a really great point.

00:30:48.000 I know what you're talking about.

00:30:50.000 Is it?

00:30:50.000 Arrow-hon.

00:30:50.000 Arrow-hon?

00:30:51.000 I don't know how it's pronounced.

00:30:52.000 E-R-E-W-H-O-N. 1.00

00:30:54.000 Yeah, you looked it up?

00:30:55.000 Yeah, I did.

00:30:55.000 Okay, there you go, there you go.

00:30:57.000 Justin Trudeau is the kind of guy who, like, walks into a grocery store and there's no milk.

00:31:01.000 And he's like, there must be a mistake.

00:31:02.000 Where's the milk?

00:31:03.000 And then they're like, well, the truckers have stopped driving.

00:31:05.000 He's like, what does that have to do with the milk?

00:31:08.000 Mr. Trudeau, the truckers bring the milk.

00:31:09.000 They do?

00:31:10.000 What?

00:31:10.000 And I honestly think that when it comes to people like Trudeau, or when it comes to so many of these woke left-wing people, first of all, having those views is almost certainly an indicator that you spend most of your time with really wealthy people.

00:31:22.000 Yeah.

00:31:22.000 And secondarily, if you do hold those views, generally when you're dealing with a working class person, it's because you're telling them what to do, and they have to because it's their job.

00:31:31.000 And so I think that's a big part of the reason why they're completely unwilling to negotiate.

00:31:37.000 Because from their perspective, they always get to tell people in this bracket what to do, and they obey.

00:31:42.000 So when they stand up for themselves, they can't stand it.

00:31:44.000 It's not just that they can't stand it, they can't even comprehend it.

00:31:46.000 It has to be racism.

00:31:47.000 They have to put it in this box of some sort of bigotry, because that's the only way they know how to analyze the world.

00:31:52.000 Is Trudeau a servant of the Canadian people, like in the United States?

00:31:57.000 Or is he a puppet of the Queen?

00:32:00.000 He's supposed to be a servant, but you know, it's interesting at the heart of what you're saying and what you, Seamus, were saying earlier.

00:32:08.000 There's a quote in the book I have, because the Trudeau family has this long history of relationship with the Chinese government.

00:32:13.000 And there's this amazing question that Justin Trudeau is asked in 2012.

00:32:18.000 He's a member of parliament.

00:32:19.000 And he's asked, is there anybody on the world stage that you as a political figure sort of really admire?

00:32:26.000 You know, some country in the world.

00:32:28.000 And he doesn't say the United States, he doesn't say Great Britain, he says China.

00:32:32.000 He says, I admire China.

00:32:33.000 And they ask, why do you admire China? 0.99

00:32:35.000 And his answer to your point, Jim, is, well, you know, if you're the leader of China, you can just get shit done. 0.98

00:32:41.000 You can get things done. 0.82

00:32:44.000 You know, it's Efficient, and he talks about climate change, and he says, you know, you don't have to debate all these things, you just get things done.

00:32:50.000 You know how you respond to someone like that?

00:32:52.000 Like, if I was sitting down, if I was talking to Trudeau and he said that, I'd be like, you know, Justin, spot on.

00:32:58.000 I mean, when you've got a global pandemic, for instance, and you can just weld the doors shut for people, so they just die?

00:33:04.000 You don't gotta worry about a pandemic!

00:33:06.000 I mean, why should I get sick?

00:33:07.000 Let them die, you know what I mean?

00:33:09.000 And it's like, you know, look, I'm trying to build a highway, for instance, and these poor people think they can own land? 1.00

00:33:15.000 Just plow them out of the way.

00:33:17.000 Where do they live?

00:33:17.000 Who cares?

00:33:18.000 Screw them. 1.00

00:33:18.000 They're poor people. 1.00

00:33:20.000 They're not paying taxes.

00:33:21.000 There you go.

00:33:22.000 There's a certain efficiency to a dictatorship, and that's attractive to Justin Trudeau.

00:33:26.000 And there's other people that say the same thing, but Trudeau, it's so interesting to me because it's exactly what you guys were saying earlier, that he doesn't have a connection People become just these objects you move around on the chessboard, right?

00:33:40.000 If you don't have a connection with them, if you don't know truckers, if you don't know farmers, they're things to be moved around on a chessboard.

00:33:47.000 And that's the mentality of a dictator.

00:33:49.000 Exactly.

00:33:49.000 And I apologize if I was a little snide to you in my reply to you, sort of asking if Trudeau was a servant.

00:33:56.000 I also think that it's so telling that when Trudeau is looking at communist China, the person he empathizes with is the dictator, the person in control.

00:34:05.000 Like, he doesn't look at communist China and think about the people living there and how horrible that would be. 0.98

00:34:10.000 He immediately associates himself with the communist dictator.

00:34:15.000 That's very telling.

00:34:16.000 How that doesn't end a political career, I will never know.

00:34:21.000 I like how people call Justin Trudeau Castro.

00:34:23.000 Instead of Castro, like Castro. 0.56

00:34:26.000 Well, because there are people who genuinely believe he's the son of Fidel Castro.

00:34:33.000 But just in terms of being a dictator, Castro is so on point.

00:34:38.000 He was born to Pierre, right?

00:34:40.000 Pierre Trudeau.

00:34:41.000 So he was basically raised, bred to be a leader.

00:34:45.000 I don't like that.

00:34:46.000 That's not the right word.

00:34:47.000 Bred to be a prime minister.

00:34:50.000 Obviously, well, I think he might be a poor leader.

00:34:53.000 I agree.

00:34:53.000 So what?

00:34:54.000 So he was just raised psychotically in that environment?

00:34:57.000 Yeah, I mean, it's funny when you look at the family history, like his dad, Pierre Trudeau, he was the one that opened up relations between Canada and China, diplomatic relations.

00:35:07.000 And then when he left the prime ministership, and he had been like this pro kind of Mao, he wrote this like ridiculous book where he went to China, And he, you know, meets these, you know, pioneer children, you know, like these seven-year-old kids running around with the red flags and chanting these Maoist sayings, and he's saying this is the future of the country.

00:35:26.000 But when he leaves the premiership in Canada, he opens up a consultancy, helping getting businesses juiced in with the communist leadership in China, because he had a good relationship with them.

00:35:37.000 So that's where the Trudeau family money comes from.

00:35:41.000 And so Justin grew up very privileged, courtesy of the fact that his dad was doing all these deals in mainland China.

00:35:47.000 I had no idea.

00:35:47.000 That's where the family wealth comes from?

00:35:49.000 Yeah, that's where the family wealth comes from.

00:35:50.000 Wow.

00:35:50.000 From a series of deals that he did.

00:35:53.000 And Justin's got a younger brother who's kind of a form policy advisor of his.

00:35:57.000 His name's Alexander.

00:35:58.000 He's written some like insanely horrific things about China.

00:36:02.000 Again, kind of this admiration for dictatorship, people don't understand it.

00:36:06.000 He says like, you know, Canadians in a way are less free than people in China. 0.98

00:36:10.000 It's ridiculous stuff. 0.87

00:36:12.000 And that's sort of the background of what Justin Trudeau grew up in.

00:36:17.000 What he heard from his dad, what he heard from his brother, and it now influences the way that he deals with China.

00:36:22.000 So when he sees truckers, In Canada, you know, it's not hard to take a leap and say, this is the, you know, imagine how a Chinese leader would look at, you know, truckers in China if they were doing the same thing.

00:36:34.000 He goes, you know, I really wish I could just take their organs.

00:36:36.000 That would be such, it would be a far more efficient country.

00:36:38.000 That'd be a way better way of doing things.

00:36:40.000 Thank you, Justin.

00:36:41.000 Do you think that China is, we've asked a lot of people this, is actively engaged in sowing the conflict in our countries?

00:36:48.000 Yes.

00:36:48.000 Making the culture war worse.

00:36:49.000 Absolutely.

00:36:50.000 You know, and you look at various things.

00:36:53.000 You look at the donations that some of these guys that are connected to the regime are making.

00:36:58.000 They're making donations to these divisive groups.

00:37:01.000 You look at, I think, the whole question of COVID.

00:37:04.000 I mean, I'm not an expert, but you at least got to entertain the idea that it was a lab leak.

00:37:09.000 But, you know, in Congress, there hasn't been a single congressional hearing about the origins of COVID.

00:37:16.000 And I'm convinced part of it is because Nancy Pelosi and her family have their deals with Canada.

00:37:20.000 Well, there have been hearings that have addressed it.

00:37:22.000 Yeah, but, yeah, Rand Paul has raised the question, but they, you know, to have a congressional hearing that says we're going to explore the origins of COVID and lab leak, Nancy Pelosi has refused to allow any of them being held on the House side.

00:37:35.000 The other thing I would add is on China is look at the whole fentanyl, you know, issue.

00:37:41.000 I mean, where's the fentanyl come from?

00:37:43.000 And it's not just fentanyl, it's designer drugs as well.

00:37:44.000 Yes.

00:37:45.000 For those that aren't familiar, designer drugs typically are some kind of narcotic or drug that is slightly altered in such a way that it now is legal, although good luck explaining to the cop, the molecules that I have here are slightly different, but a lot of this stuff comes from China.

00:38:02.000 They are producing drugs and shipping them over here illegally, and they're killing people.

00:38:07.000 I mean, it's fourth and fifth generational war. 0.57

00:38:10.000 It is indirect, but it is massively damaging, the fentanyl problem.

00:38:15.000 And then potentially, the drugs that come here, designer drugs or otherwise, could be laced with something and cause even more problems.

00:38:21.000 Yeah, this is the reversal of the Opium Wars.

00:38:24.000 It is the Opium Wars.

00:38:25.000 I think we're still in them.

00:38:27.000 Yeah, it's revenge.

00:38:27.000 It's 100 years later, 120 years later, we're still in the Opium Wars.

00:38:30.000 Now they're just feeding it back to us through Mexico.

00:38:33.000 So explain that.

00:38:33.000 What does that mean?

00:38:34.000 Well, you know, the Opium Wars, because of the opium trade in Asia, the British Empire and other powers sort of divided up.

00:38:42.000 They were so hungry to get access to opium.

00:38:45.000 and export it, that they took over portions of China.

00:38:49.000 And China became, not completely, but kind of a vassal state. 0.72

00:38:52.000 And they had a huge drug problem in China as well because of this demand.

00:38:55.000 And then they finally gained enough sort of national sovereignty to sort of beat it away.

00:39:00.000 But you actually find literature of Chinese military officers and others saying, when fentanyl comes up, well, this is revenge for the opium wars.

00:39:10.000 Was that related to the Boxer Rebellion?

00:39:13.000 That was a part of it.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, that was part of it.

00:39:14.000 But, but, you know, China has been obsessed and I understand because it's a terrible part of their history. 0.99

00:39:21.000 with extracting revenge on the Western powers because they were so weakened.

00:39:25.000 They were this empire that had been largely defeated by the West, and they want revenge.

00:39:30.000 And you see Xi talks about this all the time.

00:39:33.000 Talks about this all the time, that by 2049, they're going to seize the commanding heights on the global stage.

00:39:39.000 They're going to overcome the United States, and there's going to be payback for what the Western powers did to his country 150 years earlier.

00:39:47.000 So how does Klaus Schwab fit into this?

00:39:52.000 Accelerating this communist insurgence into the United States?

00:39:55.000 You know, it's so funny, on all these guys you look at, you know, like Elon Musk and these guys.

00:40:01.000 Elon Musk says some great things.

00:40:02.000 And then he says some crazy things about China, about how China's more representative than the United States.

00:40:08.000 I mean, it's just crazy stuff.

00:40:09.000 And you have to decide with all these guys, whether it's Klaus Schwab, are they just doing it for the money?

00:40:15.000 Um, or does some of them actually believe it?

00:40:18.000 Um, and I think some of them actually believe it.

00:40:20.000 I think a lot of them do it because they want access to China.

00:40:22.000 They want access to the Chinese market.

00:40:25.000 Uh, a guy like Klaus Schwab, I think is a true believer.

00:40:27.000 And he said, you know, that, that, that, hey, they've got good market reforms in China and yeah, you know, it's, You got this dictatorship, but that's less important because they've got this market that they've set up.

00:40:38.000 It's crazy stuff.

00:40:39.000 So he's, I think, a true believer.

00:40:40.000 He's not just doing it for the money.

00:40:41.000 Is it because the Chinese bank, does it get its money from the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland as well as?

00:40:48.000 So could Klaus and his buddies just shut off the Chinese economy so they're really not afraid of the Chinese government?

00:40:54.000 It'd be hard to shut off the Chinese economy because it's so wedded in so many ways, financially and otherwise. 0.99

00:41:00.000 And that's been the thing, right?

00:41:01.000 We were told for 30 years, for 30 years, if we just traded with them, if we just gave them, you know, access to our financial markets, if we let them watch our movies and, you know, buy our clothes, they're going to become more like us.

00:41:14.000 And no, they haven't.

00:41:15.000 They're a dictator.

00:41:16.000 We've become more like them in a lot of respects.

00:41:18.000 Elon Musk is tweeting support for the truckers.

00:41:20.000 Yes.

00:41:21.000 And there's rumors going around.

00:41:22.000 I haven't verified this, but liar.com is reportedly owned by Elon Musk.

00:41:27.000 I don't know if that's true, but people are claiming it is.

00:41:29.000 And it links to Trudeau's Wikipedia page, and it's associated with a $42,000 donation.

00:41:33.000 I don't know if any of that's true, so fact check that one.

00:41:36.000 But it's a viral tweet going around where people are claiming this.

00:41:39.000 And maybe Elon Musk is just playing both sides.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, it could be.

00:41:42.000 And look, I think in Musk's case, if I were to guess, you know, he's got a big Tesla factory in China.

00:41:48.000 They built it for him.

00:41:49.000 China is a big growth market.

00:41:51.000 He's saying stuff because he wants access to the market.

00:41:54.000 But some of these Wall Street guys, they are true believers.

00:41:57.000 They believe in these leaders.

00:41:58.000 They think they're better than ours.

00:42:00.000 They think the system is better than ours.

00:42:03.000 And to my mind, they're just sellouts.

00:42:05.000 Well, can I ask you, how could they possibly believe something like that?

00:42:07.000 Are they genocide deniers?

00:42:09.000 Do they pretend that it's not actually happening over there?

00:42:10.000 Or do they think that their market is so efficient that it justifies that kind of behavior?

00:42:14.000 Well, so I'll give you an example that sort of blows my mind.

00:42:17.000 There's a guy, I don't know if you guys have heard of him, his name is Ray Dalio.

00:42:20.000 He runs the largest hedge fund in the United States, Bridgewater Associates.

00:42:24.000 And he wrote a book in 2017 called Principles, which is ironic based on what I'm about to tell you.

00:42:29.000 In that book, he talks about The second most powerful man in China named Wang Qishan.

00:42:36.000 I've known him for a long time and he says, Wang Qishan has almost helped me tap the secrets of the universe.

00:42:42.000 And he talks about this quasi-religious experience that he's had just meeting with this guy.

00:42:47.000 He's so wise.

00:42:48.000 I've learned so much from him and he's been this remarkable force for good for like 30 years.

00:42:54.000 I thought, well who the hell is this Wang Qishan guy?

00:42:55.000 So I started looking it up.

00:42:57.000 He's Xi's enforcer.

00:42:59.000 He's in charge of party discipline.

00:43:01.000 He's the guy that throws people in jail and has them tortured.

00:43:04.000 Now, why would you, as a smart guy like Ray Dalio, write something like that?

00:43:10.000 And then you realize that he wrote that, he said a bunch of other nice things, and then his hedge fund got the first opportunity of any other hedge fund in the world to sell hedge fund products to the Chinese.

00:43:21.000 I guess if you're elite, if you're extremely wealthy, you feel safe and secure in doing your dealings.

00:43:28.000 And then it's the people of the world who suffer for it.

00:43:28.000 Yes.

00:43:31.000 Yes.

00:43:31.000 Yeah.

00:43:32.000 If you're elite, I mean, you're assuming if things go south, you're still going to be okay.

00:43:35.000 Your family's going to be safe.

00:43:36.000 I think you're right.

00:43:37.000 Yeah.

00:43:37.000 And, uh, you know, not to make any specific, uh, accusations about Ray Dalio here.

00:43:42.000 Right.

00:43:43.000 But we do know statistically that people who trade on wall street are actually more likely to be psychopaths and sociopaths.

00:43:48.000 Now I can't give someone that, that kind of diagnosis, but those are the behaviors of a psychopath to praise somebody who would do that kind of thing.

00:43:55.000 Cause you think it'll get you money.

00:43:56.000 We have this big story that I want to get into, and we find ourselves once again talking about Joe Rogan and Spotify, but this is a good example of the cultural imbalance.

00:44:05.000 So, the quick story is that Spotify is announcing an edition of content warnings over the criticism of Joe Rogan and COVID-19 misinformation.

00:44:13.000 But we never get this the other direction.

00:44:15.000 When Rachel Maddow or Fauci or CNN puts out bunk garbage, Twitter does not flag them.

00:44:21.000 You put out something that goes against Fauci or Maddow or CNN, Twitter flags you.

00:44:26.000 So Joe Rogan has on Sanjay Gupta, Mike Osterholm, experts, establishment voices, nobody cares.

00:44:32.000 He has on McCullough and Malone, and it's the apocalypse, Joni Mitchell, these old aging hippies are like, I want censorship here! 1.00

00:44:41.000 To be fair, both Neil Young and Lofgren said, we don't want to censor Joe Rogan.

00:44:49.000 We just want off the platform because we don't want to share it with him.

00:44:52.000 Okay, that's actually respectable because that's the right thing to do.

00:44:56.000 If I was on a platform and I was like, I don't like that they support hate speech, I'll leave.

00:44:59.000 So good.

00:45:00.000 Bye-bye.

00:45:00.000 Leave.

00:45:00.000 That's good.

00:45:01.000 But we can see what happens from the backlash.

00:45:03.000 You're never going to get a concession from the establishment to recognize independent voice.

00:45:07.000 It's always the other way around.

00:45:08.000 So long as this imbalance exists, we are all being pulled hard towards the authoritarian side of things.

00:45:15.000 That being said, a story like this, I think, just shows they have no effective means of stopping Joe Rogan, real conversations, conversations like this.

00:45:24.000 So, despite this being kind of bad, here's the big update.

00:45:28.000 Spotify shares recover after Joe Rogan addressed the vaccine controversy as Taylor Swift fans call on her to pull her music from the streaming service.

00:45:37.000 It's not going to happen.

00:45:38.000 Spotify may suck on pay rates and all that, but the moment they come out and say, oh, okay, we'll do this little content warning, which ultimately I think will do nothing, it may be a net negative in certain capacity.

00:45:49.000 The Spotify shares rebound and I think, you know, Joe and everyone else is going to pull out of this and they're going to walk away from this unscathed.

00:45:54.000 Yeah, I think the thing that helps Joe Rogan here is he's such an important part of the company because he's got such a massive audience.

00:46:01.000 The interesting question, and I don't know the answer to it, is Spotify has a number of large Chinese investors that own portions of that.

00:46:10.000 Does that play into this censorship?

00:46:12.000 I don't know.

00:46:12.000 We know with Twitter, You know jack dorsey hired senior executives because he

00:46:16.000 wanted to break into china that had ties with the communist party

00:46:19.000 Um this censorship issue we talked earlier about it. I think we are becoming more like china 0.99

00:46:24.000 China is not becoming more like us. We're becoming we're importing some of these censorship tools that they use 0.99

00:46:30.000 Well, uh, what do you think about black rock?

00:46:32.000 Uh black rock, uh is terrible They're the focus of my book. 1.00

00:46:37.000 Think about this for a second.

00:46:38.000 Real quick, sorry.

00:46:40.000 Can you explain what BlackRock is?

00:46:41.000 Yeah, BlackRock is the largest financial asset manager in the world.

00:46:46.000 And what does that mean?

00:46:48.000 They manage 10 trillion dollars.

00:46:51.000 That's with a T.

00:46:52.000 The gross national product of the United States is like 21 trillion.

00:46:56.000 So they manage almost like 50% of the United States gross national product financially.

00:47:02.000 So they are the 900-pound gorilla of world finance.

00:47:06.000 I want to show something real quick before we get into that in reference.

00:47:09.000 This is something I've shown on the show before, but we'll show again in this context.

00:47:12.000 This is something I posted, and I want to just issue the disclaimer before going through this.

00:47:17.000 Black Rock owns basically everything, right? 0.95

00:47:19.000 So, I'm not trying to post these things to make an assertion of some grand conspiracy, but I think it's important to show the business connections.

00:47:26.000 So this is, Neil Young sells catalog rights to Mercuriatus' Hypnosis.

00:47:34.000 Blackstone and Hypnosis Song Management launch a billion dollar partnership.

00:47:38.000 Blackstone announced his appointment of Jeffrey B. Kindler, former chairman and CEO of Pfizer, as a senior advisor.

00:47:43.000 Spotify to pull Neil Young's music, objecting to Joe Rogan.

00:47:46.000 So, not that I think it's necessarily evidence that someone at Blackstone, you know, put to the phone and said, we need to pull a Neil Young on this one and get him.

00:47:55.000 But it shows that it very well may have been a meeting where they're just like, look, Joe Rogan's show is bad for us.

00:48:00.000 It hurts our profits and shares.

00:48:01.000 What are our assets?

00:48:02.000 Like, well, we do have this music catalog that does work with Spotify.

00:48:05.000 All right, get him on the phone and see if there's anything there.

00:48:07.000 It's possible.

00:48:07.000 It's entirely possible.

00:48:08.000 Blackstone, it's got its pinky and everything.

00:48:10.000 And it's got, it's got mean, it's got interests and a conflict of interest and all of this stuff.

00:48:15.000 Yeah, I mean, BlackRock is massive and huge, and they are very interested and supportive of this kind of authoritarian model.

00:48:23.000 So, think about this for a second.

00:48:24.000 In 2017, the Communist Party of China goes to Hong Kong.

00:48:29.000 You know, they have the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, all these companies on it.

00:48:32.000 Goes to the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.

00:48:34.000 Every company listed here has to put in its company charter that the Communist Party of China gets the final decision in every corporate decision.

00:48:43.000 Now, this had to be voted on by the shareholders in these companies, right, in Hong Kong.

00:48:48.000 So Vanguard, you know, big financial company, votes against it.

00:48:51.000 Absolutely.

00:48:52.000 We do not want this.

00:48:53.000 Wow.

00:48:54.000 BlackRock voted in favor.

00:48:57.000 But isn't Vanguard bad as well?

00:48:58.000 Yeah, I'm sure they're bad.

00:48:59.000 But I'm saying on this, in contrast, I mean, at least some of them got it right.

00:49:03.000 BlackRock actually said, no, we actually think this is a good idea.

00:49:06.000 What's the what's the GDP of China?

00:49:08.000 The GDP of China is probably about 60% of the United States.

00:49:13.000 So, BlackRock might be like, we can take them.

00:49:19.000 We're getting there, yeah.

00:49:20.000 No, for real.

00:49:21.000 I mean, but China's growing fast.

00:49:22.000 Yeah, it is growing fast, 7-8% clip, and they're expected to surpass us in a few years.

00:49:27.000 So I wonder if, you know, we look at stuff like Joe Rogan's show and the fact that he's just some regular guy, kind of comedian, populist, being so successful.

00:49:37.000 I look at a lot of this and I'm like, clearly the free speech is winning.

00:49:40.000 But in the long run, China's growth outweighs ours.

00:49:43.000 Will it matter if we have cultural victories when the economic victory is in China's lap? 0.85

00:49:48.000 It's a good question, and I think it depends on what we think the average American's going to do.

00:49:53.000 I still think the average American is the center of gravity, ultimately. 0.94

00:49:57.000 If the average American rises up and says, we're not going to tolerate this, they can still win over elites.

00:50:03.000 And I want to believe that there's still the fight there, right?

00:50:05.000 That the average American, when they see these things being eroded, they get pushed far enough, they're going to stand up and say, push no more.

00:50:13.000 We're done.

00:50:14.000 Yeah, but I think what we saw with the, uh, with the COVID lockdowns, a good portion of this country are just like, tell me what to do and I'll do it.

00:50:21.000 Although they didn't, you know, they didn't lock down in certain states because I knew they couldn't get away with it, but you're right.

00:50:21.000 Yeah.

00:50:25.000 California, New York, a lot of places, a lot of people kind of caved, right?

00:50:30.000 Yeah, but like we knew we couldn't count on them anyway.

00:50:32.000 Something would happen with China. 0.99

00:50:34.000 No, no, the Californians and the New Yorkers were no help. 0.75

00:50:37.000 Well, that's that's that's a scary future projection.

00:50:41.000 It's really funny.

00:50:41.000 There was a I got a Facebook reminder and it was like old memories and it was a post I made in 2017 where I was like authoritarian dictatorship is coming to the United States.

00:50:51.000 It was early 2017.

00:50:51.000 I said The conspiracy theory is Trump being the Trojan horse for authoritarianism because he will be demonized and vilified to the point where it rallies the left into accepting authoritarianism.

00:51:03.000 And then in the name of stopping the rise of fascism, you get hardcore far left pro-China.

00:51:10.000 And then, you know, it was kind of just like something I'd seen on the Internet and I typed up.

00:51:14.000 But there's there's other theories, other other, you know, I shouldn't say theories, but like people genuinely believe if it came to like Donald Trump winning in 2024, that people in California would clap and cheer when China landed, you know, U-boats or something on the shores to come in and save them from fascism or something like that.

00:51:30.000 Yeah.

00:51:30.000 I mean, you look at history when when dictators have taken over, they never come and say, hey, I'm going to be your dictator.

00:51:36.000 I'm going to control your life.

00:51:37.000 It's always I'm going to protect you from this terrible, evil thing that's even worse than me.

00:51:42.000 Well, so I don't know if you saw the Boston Globe story from 2020 election where they said, you know, it was like Podesta and Donna Brazil were war gaming as the Democrats and they had pressured the West Coast states to secede from the union should Donald Trump win.

00:51:56.000 Now, if that kind of sentiment actually did exist, what do you think?

00:51:59.000 Like, let's imagine there is some kind of national divorce or whatever.

00:52:02.000 And then come 2024, Donald Trump is like, you know, got his hand on the Bible and he's like, I am the new 47th president or whatever.

00:52:08.000 And then California, Oregon, Washington, they're like, yo, we out!

00:52:12.000 Yeah.

00:52:12.000 What happens? I mean, does China just see an opportunity?

00:52:15.000 Do they just say, oh, it's fair game?

00:52:17.000 Because who's got Hawaii now that the Western states are cut off from the rest of the country?

00:52:21.000 Who's going to defend Taiwan? I mean, actually, I kind of think Taiwan would fall before then if that were the case.

00:52:26.000 Yeah, yeah. No, I think I think China, of course, would love a divided America and they're pushing for it in so 0.99

00:52:32.000 many different ways.

00:52:33.000 And unfortunately, there are a substantial number of Americans, I would say mostly on the political left, although there's probably some on the right, that actually fear their fellow Americans more than they fear a regime in China or these other cases.

00:52:48.000 And that's just tragic.

00:52:50.000 That's just tragic.

00:52:51.000 Yeah, I mean, I mean, look at the defense that the establishment waged for China when Trump was engaging in the trade war and things like that.

00:52:58.000 It was like, oh, this is wrong and bad.

00:53:00.000 You shouldn't do this.

00:53:01.000 It's going to destabilize the global economy.

00:53:02.000 It's bad for everybody.

00:53:03.000 And it's like, yo, they have concentration camps like we talked about.

00:53:06.000 And the Chinese leaders said, you know, that their best lobbyists were Wall Street.

00:53:06.000 Yeah.

00:53:10.000 They didn't have to lobby.

00:53:12.000 I mean, they outright said it.

00:53:12.000 They didn't have to lobby.

00:53:13.000 We don't have to lobby the Trump administration on tariffs because Wall Street will do it for us.

00:53:17.000 Wow.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:19.000 So where does that line?

00:53:19.000 Unbelievable.

00:53:20.000 Do you think, are you familiar with Thucydides' Trap?

00:53:23.000 Yes.

00:53:24.000 Do you think we, for those that aren't familiar, it's a rising economic power reaching the dominant power.

00:53:29.000 It typically results in war.

00:53:30.000 Do you think we're heading in that direction?

00:53:32.000 I think so in a way, but I also think there's a very real opportunity.

00:53:37.000 I think China is a brittle regime.

00:53:41.000 I don't think it has the widespread support that people think it does.

00:53:44.000 I think it's very akin to the Soviet Union.

00:53:46.000 You have this cast of people on the top that benefit from the system, but you've got a lot of people that are resentful of it.

00:53:53.000 In China, you have the economic growth you didn't have in the Soviet Union, but you have a huge problem in the fact that, you know, China had this one child policy for so long.

00:54:04.000 And so what ended up happening was, you know, parents want to have one child, they wanted to be a boy, they didn't want to be a girl, because the boy is going to provide for them in their old age.

00:54:13.000 So the estimates are that in some cases, you know, within the demographic group of like 25 to 40 year olds, there may be like 150 million more men in China than there are women.

00:54:25.000 Now that that is grounds for a civil war in that country.

00:54:25.000 Yes.

00:54:29.000 Yes. No joke.

00:54:30.000 I mean look you want to you want to get serious for a minute.

00:54:33.000 And also people are going to laugh.

00:54:34.000 I roll their eyes especially the feminists. 1.00

00:54:36.000 But 150 million more men you said.

00:54:39.000 Yes. So those are going to be guys who can't get women can't get dates in cells. 0.64

00:54:44.000 Seriously. And they're going to they're going to lose it.

00:54:46.000 I mean, it's not it's not about making fun of neckbeards.

00:54:49.000 It's not about making fun It's about young men who have literally no opportunity to have to fulfill a Massive internal desire for having a family right and they are going to have nothing.

00:55:00.000 Yeah, they're gonna lose their minds well when you look at the vast majority of the crime problem in this country including really heinous Insane crimes that rarely occur such as massacres or school shootings or whether it's just street crime like a burglary They're almost all committed by men who feel as if they have no buy-in to the system And they have no way to rise up and be successful

00:55:23.000 And a huge part of that is the ability to start a family.

00:55:27.000 Right.

00:55:27.000 And if you don't believe that there's any hope for that, you're going to become a deranged individual if you don't have that hope.

00:55:33.000 It's so necessary.

00:55:35.000 And it's such an important part of being a man and a productive person in general.

00:55:38.000 And so if China has 150 million men who have no prospect of ever being with a woman, that is going to be unbelievably and horrifically damaging to that country. 0.83

00:55:51.000 Except?

00:55:52.000 colonization. Yeah. So we are seeing the modern form of colonization from China 0.57

00:55:56.000 as many people who live there to escape crowding and find better you know

00:56:01.000 better better lives are leaving the country. So a lot of these young men 1.00

00:56:06.000 might just say I've got to leave China and go somewhere else to try and find a

00:56:09.000 life. And I just want to make this clear what I'm talking when I'm talking about

00:56:12.000 men who have no buy-in to the system I'm not I'm not talking about like oh

00:56:15.000 they're not accountable for their actions or something like that.

00:56:17.000 But the link I'm trying to draw is usually when we talk about someone like a school shooter, for example, we'll, we'll highlight the fact that this was an incel, right?

00:56:24.000 And like, these are, it's really, it's not exactly the perfect term for it, but it's like you have 150 million incels.

00:56:31.000 You could get them VR porn, but I don't know if sticking people in a machine with digital pornography is enough to make them not psychotically... I mean, it's another kind of psychosis.

00:56:42.000 Ian, I gotta say, that's absurd.

00:56:43.000 Obviously you get them waifu body pillows. 1.00

00:56:44.000 Yeah, well I'm talking about after.

00:56:46.000 I thought that that one already hadn't worked out.

00:56:49.000 So we had to...

00:56:51.000 I wonder if China's gonna stick a bunch of people in pods, try and generate their piezoelectric heat for electricity and hope they don't go crazy. 0.79

00:56:58.000 I'm with you to a certain degree, Ian, like VR girlfriends and stuff like that to try and, you know, or like robots or something to try and, you know, calm the rage.

00:57:09.000 But I don't know about pulling a matrix on them in that capacity.

00:57:13.000 Might be a little too premature.

00:57:15.000 I think leaving the country is a more fluid option.

00:57:18.000 I think we're going to see waves of adult Chinese men just moving out and trying to find wives in other places. 1.00

00:57:26.000 So now, if we can think 20 years in the future, what would we do now to present an environment for those people to come?

00:57:32.000 Because we need to make way for these displaced Chinese men. 1.00

00:57:37.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:57:38.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a good question.

00:57:40.000 I mean, to me, it's one example of the fact that China has problems, too.

00:57:45.000 It's not like they're this superpower that can't be, you know, defeated, that they're inevitably going to be more powerful than us.

00:57:55.000 So I think we need to recognize that and we need to play to our strengths, not play to their strengths.

00:58:00.000 And I think, you know, when you look at China, the problem is the Chinese Communist Party.

00:58:03.000 It's not the Chinese people. 1.00

00:58:05.000 You know, Reagan said that in the Cold War.

00:58:07.000 Our enemies are not the Russians. 0.96

00:58:08.000 It's the Soviet leadership.

00:58:10.000 And I view the same way with China.

00:58:11.000 We've got to have that.

00:58:14.000 Trump did some of that in his speaking.

00:58:17.000 His Secretary of State did the same thing.

00:58:18.000 Joe Biden lumps it all together.

00:58:20.000 China is China. 0.87

00:58:21.000 It's not.

00:58:22.000 You've got a clique that's running the country that is oppressing the rest of them.

00:58:26.000 And then you've got the ordinary Chinese who, you know, cannot be that happy with the Chinese Communist Party. 0.76

00:58:31.000 Well, let's talk about what's going on at home for a minute to see if we can clean up the mess down here.

00:58:34.000 We got the story from the New York Post.

00:58:36.000 Hunter Biden's former business partners cooperated completely with feds in tax probe.

00:58:42.000 The New York Post reports Devin Archer, who was awaiting sentencing in an unrelated fraud case, is among four people reportedly referenced in a May 15, 2019 subpoena, first reported by the Post, sent to JPMorgan Chase Bank for records related to any transaction involving the Bank of China.

00:58:57.000 The others include James Biden, a younger brother of President Joe Biden.

00:59:00.000 A partial copy of the subpoena was posted online by the Marco Polo USA Research Group, headed by Garrett Ziegler, who worked as a White House policy analyst under former President Trump.

00:59:13.000 Mr. Archer was not aware of the specific subpoena from 2019, which appears directed to a bank.

00:59:17.000 His lawyer, Matthew Schwartz, told The Post in an email.

00:59:20.000 But Mr. Archer has cooperated completely with the Delaware U.S.

00:59:23.000 Attorney's Office investigation from the moment he became aware of it.

00:59:27.000 So, they're looking into transactions involving China.

00:59:30.000 The first thing I want to say is, look, there may be some connection to Hunter Biden, but if you were to ask me, do I think anything in terms of accountability would happen to the Biden family, I would say probably not.

00:59:42.000 Maybe if Donald Trump gets elected in 2024.

00:59:45.000 But Peter, you seem to be much more of an expert than I, so what do you think?

00:59:48.000 Well, I don't know.

00:59:49.000 You might be right, Tim.

00:59:49.000 I think if the Republicans take the House and the Senate, you're going to get congressional hearings.

00:59:54.000 Some of those committees have subpoena powers.

00:59:56.000 Will they impeach Joe Biden?

00:59:58.000 I think they should.

00:59:58.000 Well, they may very well.

01:00:01.000 I mean, one of the things that troubled me the most in this new book, you know, I did the first Hunter Biden China stuff back in 2018 in a book that I wrote.

01:00:09.000 And at that time, it was a story of, like, corruption and cronyism and self-dealing and all that.

01:00:15.000 What we did more recently for this book is we went through the Hunter Biden laptop and we went through some of the emails of one of his business partners who gave us access to his Gmail account and we wanted to figure out, so the Biden's got all these deals in China that Hunter wasn't qualified for.

01:00:30.000 Who actually made it rain, right?

01:00:32.000 Who actually gave the Bidens this money which is like 31 million dollars in deals?

01:00:36.000 So we traced it back and what we found is that there were four guys that set these deals up.

01:00:42.000 Every single one of these guys has links to the highest levels of Chinese intelligence. So

01:00:48.000 like one guy named Chieh Fang set him up for a $20 million payday. Chieh Fang at the

01:00:54.000 time was business partners with a vice minister of state security who's in charge of

01:00:59.000 recruiting foreign spies for the Chinese.

01:01:02.000 You know, you can't make this up.

01:01:04.000 I mean, and every single case this was so, you know, the Biden case no longer is just cronyism and corruption.

01:01:11.000 I mean, we have to entertain the notion that the Chinese targeted the Bidens.

01:01:15.000 They got the Bidens and that the Bidens are compromised.

01:01:19.000 You know, it's an intelligence operation.

01:01:21.000 I mean, it has all the markings of it.

01:01:22.000 Isn't it crazy that we spent so many years talking about Trump and Russia?

01:01:26.000 Yeah.

01:01:26.000 But now we're here talking about Biden and China?

01:01:29.000 Yeah.

01:01:30.000 And here, you know, unlike the Trump campaign, when the Trump stuff, when the dossier first came out, Okay, I fell for it.

01:01:36.000 And I was like, hey, we got to look at this.

01:01:38.000 Like, this looks serious.

01:01:39.000 We got to investigate it.

01:01:40.000 And then, you know, five or six months later, you realize this thing is completely falling apart.

01:01:44.000 But there, you had no money, right?

01:01:46.000 You had this anonymous dossier, but you had no money.

01:01:50.000 You had no deals.

01:01:51.000 You had no, you know, links to intelligence.

01:01:54.000 With the Bidens, you've got money.

01:01:56.000 Nobody disputes they got the $31 million.

01:01:58.000 And now you've got the fact that the people that made these deals happen all have these intelligence links.

01:02:04.000 It's completely compromised, and I think that Congress needs to hold those hearings and they need to get the Bidens under subpoena to testify in front of Congress to explain it.

01:02:14.000 But I agree with you.

01:02:15.000 The law enforcement, you know, I've kind of given up on the fact that they're going to hold these these elites accountable.

01:02:22.000 There's a different set of law and justice for elites than there is for ordinary Americans.

01:02:26.000 And even as far as it can go with a congressional hearing, look, Fauci lied under oath on numerous occasions and nothing.

01:02:32.000 No accountability.

01:02:33.000 You're exactly right.

01:02:35.000 Look, I think at this point, we look at all the past stories we've already discussed, the split between the left and the right.

01:02:42.000 I think it's fair, if I were to ask all of you listening, do you think when it comes to, you know, say Joe Rogan or anybody else, that the left would be willing to compromise and say, oh, okay, we'll concede this point?

01:02:51.000 The answer is, of course not.

01:02:52.000 They'll keep pulling and pulling and pulling.

01:02:55.000 It's only the right and the liberty side that keeps conceding.

01:02:58.000 In that capacity, I think it's fair to realize there will never be federal law enforcement

01:03:03.000 accountability for Joe Biden and his family, no matter how much gets reported on it.

01:03:08.000 Or Anthony Fauci, no matter how much it gets reported.

01:03:11.000 In which case, what ends up happening is, it doesn't matter if there's hard evidence

01:03:15.000 or not.

01:03:16.000 The Republicans come in and they'll be like, we're going to impeach.

01:03:18.000 Why?

01:03:18.000 It's partisan.

01:03:19.000 Yeah.

01:03:20.000 We discussed this with, there was that Pennsylvania story about the judges striking down the mail-in voting law.

01:03:26.000 I don't know if you heard that recently.

01:03:27.000 Yeah.

01:03:28.000 And the judge basically refused to rule on it during the 2020 election because they said, you wait until after your guy already lost to file this.

01:03:37.000 Right.

01:03:37.000 The judge had decided because of party affiliation, he would not rule on the merits.

01:03:42.000 Because I assume your side is just doing this to win.

01:03:46.000 If we're at the point where a judge won't look at the actual merits and will just say, well, you're team A, I'm team B, so I say you lose.

01:03:52.000 Yeah.

01:03:52.000 That's happening in law enforcement.

01:03:54.000 At what point do people just say, the system is clearly broken, there's not going to be accountability, so it's going to be lawfare, effectively.

01:04:02.000 If the, you know, policy law fair, whatever, the Republicans win the House and the Senate, they're going to impeach Joe Biden for the sake of it.

01:04:09.000 But this time, will they be able to muster up enough to actually get a conviction?

01:04:13.000 I'd wager probably not.

01:04:14.000 It'll be the exact same thing we saw.

01:04:16.000 And it's basically just a tit for tat until finally the tower just crumbles and falls.

01:04:20.000 Because, you know, I don't know how our country can sustain this kind of hyper-partisan political attacks and conflict, you know?

01:04:29.000 Yeah, no, it's, I mean, it's scary.

01:04:30.000 I mean, the scenario you laid out is, is accurate and scary.

01:04:34.000 And part of it is, there's not a sense, I mean, you guys disagree with me, obviously, if you do, there just is not a sense of truth with a capital T anymore.

01:04:44.000 And so what do I mean?

01:04:45.000 It's like, it's, you know, in the case that you're talking about the judge, it's not a question of the merits of the case or the evidence, it's who's bringing The facts and the evidence.

01:04:54.000 I mean, I face the same thing all the time.

01:04:56.000 People say, oh, you know, these are just right-wing attacks against the Bidens.

01:04:59.000 And I'm like, explain to me which of these facts are right-wing.

01:05:02.000 I mean, they're all from Chinese corporate documents and Hong Kong financial records.

01:05:07.000 There's no right-wing facts and left-wing facts.

01:05:09.000 They're facts and you can debate them and you can say whether they're accurate, but we've reached this point.

01:05:15.000 It's like this post-truth element where it doesn't really matter whether it's true.

01:05:19.000 It's who's actually bringing the evidence, and I'm going to attack the messenger rather than actually deal with the underlying evidence.

01:05:26.000 It's scary.

01:05:26.000 Well, it's simple.

01:05:28.000 I mean, I think Jimmy Dore is a really great example.

01:05:31.000 The dude's clearly economically and culturally left, but because he questions the establishment, he's right wing.

01:05:38.000 Yeah.

01:05:40.000 You know, they call me right-wing and I'm like, well, look, I'm centrist, so I can understand why they view me and they'll say those things.

01:05:44.000 But like, come on, Jimmy's basically a socialist.

01:05:46.000 And I don't mean that disrespectfully.

01:05:48.000 I mean, I think he calls himself that and they're starting to argue that he's like a right-wing grifter.

01:05:52.000 So clearly left and right just means who side, it just means team A, team B. It doesn't even mean left and right anymore.

01:05:52.000 Right.

01:05:58.000 Yeah, and there's that Matt Tiabi and Glenn Greenwald are kind of the same boat.

01:06:01.000 I mean, those guys are both left-wing, but because they actually want to try to get to the truth, they get hammered.

01:06:08.000 Well, truth has a right-wing bias.

01:06:11.000 That's right.

01:06:11.000 Yeah, what was that, Colbert, huh?

01:06:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, nice try.

01:06:15.000 How much of a lie do we live in right now?

01:06:18.000 How much truth can people handle and what increments when we start rolling out the truth?

01:06:23.000 Man.

01:06:25.000 Yeah, you're getting philosophical.

01:06:27.000 Yeah, we're built on a house of cards.

01:06:29.000 And if we start moving these cards around, there's a chance the entire thing's gonna this is one of the theories that that a friend of mine, who's in DC, former member of Congress said, you know, I said, you know, they won't have these hearings on, you know, the origins of COVID.

01:06:43.000 And he said, Well, of course, they won't.

01:06:44.000 And I said, What do you mean?

01:06:45.000 He said, because if they actually come to the truth, they'd have to do something about it.

01:06:45.000 Of course, they won't.

01:06:49.000 Oh, Yeah, we had Tom Garrett on, and he mentioned that when he was in Congress, the Republicans would come to him and be like, well, don't actually support our bill.

01:06:59.000 Because then if we win, what do we have left?

01:07:01.000 And so there were very much often stories like that, or stories of Republicans being like, oh, we can't support that bill.

01:07:06.000 They'll call us racist.

01:07:07.000 So it's remarkable how, when you learn how things are going behind the scenes, that it's all one big joke.

01:07:13.000 It's one big game being played.

01:07:15.000 Well, and this is why I mean, look at the rise, you know, like you and Joe Rogan and some of the other people out there.

01:07:22.000 I mean, you obviously have to be courageous what you're doing, but part of it is to you have a basis of financial independence based on the business that you've developed.

01:07:32.000 And that's key.

01:07:33.000 I mean, you think about people that get canceled, you know, people that need to fit into the establishment as part of their business model. 0.97

01:07:41.000 If you don't have that independence, I mean, you're screwed.

01:07:44.000 And so, you know, when you're talking about truth and how much truth do the average Americans want, You just look at leaders and they may know what the truth is, but they can't discuss it and enunciate it because it could destroy their livelihood.

01:07:59.000 They don't have the independence that you have and other people have.

01:08:02.000 Well, I'll tell you one thing that really drives a lot of these left activist types nuts is that Here, we have no investors, no big institutional investors in any way.

01:08:12.000 And so there's always this narrative of like, oh, this person is funded by the Koch brothers or the Mercers.

01:08:18.000 And I've seen activists try to make that claim, like, he must be getting funding from them.

01:08:22.000 And it's like, no, just regular people are sick and fed up and have started to fund conversations that they think works for them.

01:08:30.000 For someone like Joe Rogan, I don't think he runs any kind of membership thing, he's just got ad revenue.

01:08:35.000 But I'm pretty sure if the Spotify thing with Rogan resulted in him getting booted, and he announced sign up for Joe Rogan Premium, he'd be making 100 times, 10 times as much money than he's making now.

01:08:47.000 $100 million Spotify deal with 11 million listeners per episode?

01:08:51.000 Imagine if he got 1% to give 10 bucks per month.

01:08:54.000 And they fear that.

01:08:56.000 Joe could make it 120 million per year just off of that.

01:09:00.000 No, they fear that.

01:09:01.000 They fear the fact that you've got subscribers.

01:09:03.000 They fear that there are these other independent sources of information out there because they can't get to the nub of it and they can't eliminate it.

01:09:12.000 And that's really, unfortunately, what the left wants is they want dominance.

01:09:17.000 And here's the interesting question that I would ask you, because I have a theory on this.

01:09:20.000 You know, the left wants to shut down debate.

01:09:23.000 It comes from a position of, you know, real cultural strength.

01:09:29.000 But I think it really shows their profound intellectual weakness.

01:09:34.000 Because if they really believe, I mean think about this, they shut down all these speakers from going on college campus.

01:09:39.000 If they really felt like these conservative speakers going on college campus are these crazed, you know, racists, misogynists, whatever.

01:09:48.000 I'd say let them stand up there and embarrass themselves, but they don't want them to speak because they know the power of the ideas.

01:09:56.000 They fundamentally lack confidence in their own ideas.

01:10:01.000 I think also on top of that, even if you did hear that person's ideas and reject them on their merits, it wouldn't be good enough for the left because they don't want you to reject someone because you thought for yourself and decided to reject them.

01:10:11.000 They want you to reject somebody because they told you to.

01:10:14.000 Yeah.

01:10:15.000 Yeah.

01:10:15.000 You have to obey.

01:10:16.000 That's the point.

01:10:17.000 I get that.

01:10:17.000 It's like a lot of people, it seems like a lot of people repeating what they've been told when you talk about the left.

01:10:22.000 And I see that in religion, sometimes people be like, I read it, I was told this is real.

01:10:27.000 So this is real.

01:10:29.000 And like, that's different than when you really believe something, because then you can debate it to anybody.

01:10:34.000 Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

01:10:36.000 You think it through.

01:10:36.000 I mean, to be somebody on the left, you can almost get there by osmosis these days, because the culture is telling you all these things.

01:10:43.000 If you're going to be, you know, center right, you really have to think things through.

01:10:47.000 That's what's really fascinating.

01:10:48.000 You know, for the longest time when all media was controlled, when there were only a few broadcast towers to consume from, there was very little right-wing conversation happening.

01:10:57.000 The establishment just controlled it all, and it was fairly moderate, left-leaning, and slowly moved drifting left.

01:11:01.000 With the rise of the Internet, all of a sudden you ended up with right-wing spaces, areas where individuals could now start speaking and communicate and maintain their value systems.

01:11:09.000 And that's been an impossibility for the left.

01:11:12.000 But with that internet as well, you end up with the left moving 10 times faster than they ever did, pulling further and further to the left, spiraling out of control.

01:11:21.000 But aside from that, I'll just make the point about Joe Rogan.

01:11:24.000 In talking about what the left believes and what Seamus was saying, Everybody, it's almost pointless to even say, because so many people have made this point already, that none of these people complaining about Joe even watch his show.

01:11:39.000 They have no idea why they're mad.

01:11:41.000 And that's the scary thing.

01:11:42.000 And the example I like to use is, this guy I know posted a meme, a tweet, in reference to Joe Rogan.

01:11:49.000 and a guy said in Germany we have a saying if there are 11 people at a table and one of them

01:11:55.000 is a Nazi and the other 10 are talking to him you have 11 Nazis and I mean that's a psychotic

01:12:01.000 statement because there's so much nuance there is he there because it's a it's a you know did

01:12:06.000 the Nazi go to a meeting to de-radicalize the other 10 people like former you know people 0.67

01:12:11.000 trying to de-radicalize him right Right.

01:12:12.000 But the fascinating thing there is that the point they're making about Joe is that it doesn't matter how many people he has on that support the narrative, if he brings on one who doesn't, it's all bad and it must be, you know, just removed or banned.

01:12:23.000 In Germany, the story I like to bring up is when there was a journalist and Luke, Luke Rutkowski, who was on the show for a decent amount of time and now he's in Florida, He was walking down the street when someone yelled randomly, Nazi Schweinhund, and pointed at him and this other journalist.

01:12:38.000 So other random people who had no idea who he was started physically attacking him.

01:12:43.000 Another guy we know was a journalist and someone screamed at him randomly, Nazi Schweinhund.

01:12:49.000 And so guys ran up, jumped him and started punching him in the head and grabbed his camera from him.

01:12:53.000 And it's like, he's just some journalist guy.

01:12:55.000 They hurt these people.

01:12:56.000 Luke got beat up. 0.50

01:12:58.000 Just randomly because someone pointed and said those words, that was all it took for these psychopaths to physically harm other people. 0.86

01:13:04.000 That is a cult.

01:13:06.000 And that is dangerous.

01:13:08.000 And when they all come out and they're like, Joe Rogan must be banned.

01:13:10.000 And you go, why?

01:13:11.000 Because, what did he say?

01:13:13.000 I don't know.

01:13:14.000 They don't care.

01:13:15.000 They just want it done.

01:13:16.000 And then I think the question is, if 11 people being at a table and one of them being a Nazi means that all 11 are Nazis, is Daryl Davis a Klansman for going to talk to people in the KKK and trying to de-radicalize them?

01:13:26.000 Do you see what happened when Daryl Davis went to our event?

01:13:28.000 No.

01:13:28.000 Are you familiar with Daryl Davis?

01:13:30.000 No.

01:13:30.000 He's a famous black jazz musician who one day he said to himself, I don't understand how someone could hate me if they don't even know me.

01:13:38.000 So he went and actually met with white supremacists and Klansmen.

01:13:41.000 Wow.

01:13:42.000 He went to Klan rallies and he actually talked to them.

01:13:44.000 Wow.

01:13:44.000 And then eventually these Klan guys started giving up the robes and quitting and being like, I never realized these stories weren't true.

01:13:51.000 Amazing.

01:13:52.000 So we had an event in the Philly suburbs called Ending Violence, Racism, and Authoritarianism.

01:14:01.000 And it was like a generally classically liberal event.

01:14:04.000 We had a bunch of people across the political spectrum who all agreed, like, hey, these are things we don't like.

01:14:09.000 Antifa showed up, threatened to burn the theater down.

01:14:11.000 We were forced to move it to a smaller venue at a casino with more security.

01:14:15.000 And Daryl Davis was our keynote speaker.

01:14:17.000 He got a standing ovation from the crowd as he explained how the robes had been given to him.

01:14:23.000 At the after party, we still headed across from the original theater because the people who ran that venue were unwilling.

01:14:28.000 They were like, we're not going to back down.

01:14:29.000 Yeah!

01:14:30.000 And when Antifa was outside and the police were blocking it, Darrell was like, I'm gonna go out and talk to these guys

01:14:34.000 because that's his view, how could they hate me?

01:14:36.000 He did it with the Klan. 0.98

01:14:37.000 And they started screaming at him, Nazi and racist and white supremacist, 0.98

01:14:40.000 and they would not listen to a word he said. 0.90

01:14:42.000 And then he made a post on Facebook that went viral where he said, I cannot believe this.

01:14:47.000 He posted this story how he said he could walk up to a Klan meeting

01:14:51.000 and they would talk to him and tell him what they believed.

01:14:53.000 But these far left Antifa types just yelled at him and refused to talk at all and he was shocked by it.

01:14:59.000 So, to respond to your point, yes, they very much view him as far-right and Nazi and all that stuff.

01:15:05.000 In fact, he's been smeared because the Klansmen give him the robes, and he keeps them.

01:15:10.000 And he shows everybody, look what they've given up, and they're like, aha!

01:15:13.000 He's got it.

01:15:14.000 That proves it.

01:15:14.000 Oh my gosh.

01:15:15.000 It's insane.

01:15:18.000 But how do we live with like, you know, when you have a massive cult like that?

01:15:22.000 I mean, look, I'll make this point too. 0.83

01:15:25.000 To these leftists, they insult and smear, you know, the white Christian male.

01:15:29.000 Seamus and I do not believe.

01:15:31.000 There's a lot of things we don't believe.

01:15:32.000 Seamus is very, very religious.

01:15:33.000 I'm not.

01:15:34.000 But here we are having conversations.

01:15:35.000 we get along, we're good friends.

01:15:37.000 How is it that we all found a way to live together, but these people are absolutist and don't accept that?

01:15:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:43.000 Yeah.

01:15:44.000 Yeah.

01:15:44.000 I mean, if you look at history, the thing that sticks out to me most are the Maoists, right?

01:15:49.000 Wow!

01:15:49.000 in the cultural revolution, which was, um, it was, you weren't discussing anything.

01:15:54.000 You weren't asking people to explain anything.

01:15:56.000 They would go through and the village.

01:15:58.000 And if they saw somebody that had a reading glasses, you know, they'd immediately say,

01:16:03.000 well, you're an intellectual, you're a, you're a threat.

01:16:05.000 You know, they would throw him in prison based on symbol things like that.

01:16:08.000 If you had books, you know, you're a threat to the state.

01:16:11.000 And, and it's this, this, this inability to even have a conversation, uh, to try to understand the other person.

01:16:17.000 And it shows it's really not about a care about people.

01:16:20.000 It's about this, this, um, you know, cultic belief system they have.

01:16:24.000 You know, I get nervous when I think about Mao's revolution.

01:16:27.000 And they were targeting what they called rightists.

01:16:29.000 Yes.

01:16:29.000 They were big on weeding out the right.

01:16:31.000 And I don't want to find ourselves in the same position inadvertently weeding out the leftists, like making the other out of this idea of a leftist.

01:16:40.000 Because that's exactly what Mao was doing.

01:16:43.000 So I don't want to divide people in that sense.

01:16:46.000 I understand there is a psychosis going around right now.

01:16:50.000 You know, Ian, I hear you and I agree with you, but I also want to make the point that I made earlier that there's a hard line when the left, for the most part, is almost absolute in their belief structure.

01:17:05.000 They don't listen to Joe Rubin's podcast, but they want him purged.

01:17:08.000 They go around and destroy and smash up businesses and burn down buildings.

01:17:12.000 And as long as, you know, someone like you is constantly saying like,

01:17:15.000 oh, well, we shouldn't demonize these people and we should figure out a way to like, you know,

01:17:19.000 avoid that conflict. They're going to say, thank you for conceding and giving us more power.

01:17:23.000 We'll exploit you for that. Maybe it could be punish the behavior, but not the people.

01:17:27.000 Well, and I would also say too, I mean, to Tim's point, you have this hardcore element that does

01:17:34.000 And then you have what used to be called fellow travelers, right?

01:17:37.000 These are the guys that kind of went along and they're not as strongly committed.

01:17:42.000 And maybe those are the ones you're talking about.

01:17:43.000 The big question, though, is, Tim, I don't know what you think about this is, you know, what portion of the of the left are hardcore left and what portion are followers?

01:17:52.000 I mean, can any of them be persuaded?

01:17:55.000 I do think, if we look at the polling data, we mentioned, I mentioned this earlier, we're seeing an erosion from, we're seeing a larger portion of Democrat aligned individuals becoming Republican as opposed to the opposite.

01:18:06.000 Right.

01:18:07.000 That, it shows the Democratic Party is eroding.

01:18:10.000 I don't think the Republican Party is the solution.

01:18:13.000 I do think the people that are joining the Republicans are doing it out of frustration and looking for some kind of meaningful opposition they're not going to find.

01:18:19.000 But, you know, I think that's the difference. 0.80

01:18:22.000 The people who are in the Democratic alignment are probably default liberal followers or willfully ignorant and willfully going along with it.

01:18:30.000 The issue is, you know, here's the point I was making earlier, Ian.

01:18:35.000 The Chinese Communist Party is absolute.

01:18:37.000 If you oppose the Chinese Communist Party, you must be stopped at all costs.

01:18:40.000 In the United States, we're allowed to speak out and smack talk our leaders and our politicians.

01:18:45.000 We're allowed to insult the Democratic Party to a great extent.

01:18:51.000 Goodwill that we are allowed, that freedom is exploited by the authoritarians.

01:18:55.000 They say, thank you.

01:18:57.000 Now we will use that fact to fund dissent in your country and erode it.

01:19:01.000 So when we're dealing with groups of people that are absolutists, and I'll give you another, something to think about.

01:19:08.000 These people on the left call you far right.

01:19:12.000 And they're unwilling to tolerate you.

01:19:14.000 They would call you an extremist or alt-right or whatever, like that one guy who was on Joe's show keeps doing.

01:19:20.000 And you keep trying to say, well, let me extend that olive branch.

01:19:24.000 Well, they're taking two steps back.

01:19:26.000 You take two steps forward.

01:19:27.000 They take two steps back again.

01:19:28.000 And you're like, I'm trying, guys.

01:19:29.000 I'm trying.

01:19:29.000 They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:30.000 Come on, come on, come on. 0.97

01:19:31.000 Keep coming, keep coming.

01:19:31.000 I know where this leads.

01:19:32.000 Hammer and anvil.

01:19:34.000 This is an old Carthaginian tactic.

01:19:36.000 I'm going to be surrounded pretty soon if I keep coming towards you.

01:19:38.000 That's right.

01:19:40.000 So at a certain point, you just say, I'm going to stop right here, I'm going to stay here.

01:19:43.000 Look, you know, for the longest time, the Republican Party has very much been like, we're going to stop and stand right here, and it hasn't worked.

01:19:50.000 Gun control is the best example. 1.00

01:19:51.000 Every day, the Democrats say, we want to ban more guns, and they keep doing it.

01:19:55.000 The activists respond saying, Ian, no one's trying to take your guns.

01:20:00.000 We're just being reasonable.

01:20:01.000 And then you show a picture of Waco and say, this has been going on for decades, but where's any Republican to be like, unban the guns?

01:20:07.000 There's no, so it's, it's just constantly being pulled in the direction of authoritarian.

01:20:11.000 Couldn't I just be like, keep offering the olive branch.

01:20:13.000 And then when they all come out, they're like, ha ha, now you're surrounded.

01:20:15.000 I'll be like, yeah.

01:20:17.000 Explode into super and then they'll all like find the love that's kind of my no But one one option is to plant yourself like a tree and say these are my principles I will not move but the olive branch is available to you anytime you come here and knock on my door So I will not keep saying like, you know, look they want to ban Joe Rogan Why don't we offer a concession and just put warning label?

01:20:38.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no If you don't like it, you know, Joni Mitchell and Neil Young and Nils Lofgren, you're free to leave.

01:20:46.000 They did.

01:20:47.000 I respect it.

01:20:48.000 Thanks.

01:20:48.000 Have a nice day.

01:20:49.000 Yeah.

01:20:50.000 Because here's the thing.

01:20:50.000 First, it's the warning labels.

01:20:52.000 They're not going to be satisfied with that.

01:20:54.000 They'll move on to the next thing and the next thing.

01:20:56.000 And that's, that's invariable.

01:20:57.000 Gun control is a great example of that. 0.99

01:20:59.000 Or the warning labels are proof.

01:21:00.000 Yeah.

01:21:00.000 You see, we were right!

01:21:01.000 They're even admitting now that it's misinformation!

01:21:04.000 Ban it! 1.00

01:21:05.000 Right, right, exactly.

01:21:06.000 Peter, I have somewhat of an answer to your question.

01:21:08.000 It's not perfect, it's not airtight, but it's just based on my experiences when you're sort of asking how many of these people are just regular Democrats and how many of them are extremists.

01:21:16.000 So again, small sample size and a biased sample size.

01:21:18.000 Okay.

01:21:20.000 But I went to an art school, and the politics were generally very left-leaning.

01:21:26.000 However, every left-leaning person, and I mean really far to the left-leaning person, who I spoke with one-on-one or had conversations with behind closed doors or happened to hang out with, were much more willing to entertain conversations that would have been forbidden to them when other people weren't around.

01:21:42.000 And they were more likely to tell jokes that would be considered offensive or laugh at jokes that I told that would be considered offensive.

01:21:47.000 They were more likely to go there with you.

01:21:50.000 And I think it's no mystery, because leftism is fundamentally a collectivist philosophy, That lefties are kind of only lefties when there's more than one of them around.

01:22:01.000 If you catch one of these people by themselves, they're so much more reasonable.

01:22:05.000 But as soon as they get into a group, they will not entertain anything you tell them.

01:22:09.000 And I've had conversations with left-leaning people where I got them to admit things and accept things that they would never acknowledge in front of a group of people, ever.

01:22:18.000 I was at the Battle of Berkeley.

01:22:20.000 I was at a bunch of them.

01:22:22.000 I can't remember which one this one was.

01:22:24.000 But it was the one where that young woman got punched in the face and that video went viral.

01:22:29.000 And there was this one guy who was in a video with her, and after everything was dispersing and people were fleeing, I started talking to him.

01:22:34.000 I was asking him about what was going on.

01:22:36.000 He showed me his knife, and he's like, I gotta bring my knife, man, because these people are far right. 0.95

01:22:39.000 They're fascists and all that stuff.

01:22:41.000 And I was like, you think the people in that park are fascists?

01:22:43.000 And he was like, yeah, dude.

01:22:45.000 And this is an Antifa guy by himself.

01:22:47.000 And I was like, yo.

01:22:49.000 See that group right there?

01:22:50.000 And he's like, yeah.

01:22:51.000 And I'm like, yo, that's like 90% old women. 1.00

01:22:54.000 And he was like, well, yeah, but they're like fascists. 0.60

01:22:57.000 Cause like the older generation, man, they were like racist and stuff. 0.53

01:22:59.000 And I was like, yeah, but come on.

01:23:00.000 Like you think they're going to go and like pull out guns and knives and you need a knife to stop them?

01:23:04.000 Like they're old ladies. 1.00

01:23:05.000 And he was like, well, you know, it's just for protection.

01:23:09.000 And then I was like, and look at that.

01:23:10.000 You see that, you see that flag right there?

01:23:12.000 It says come and take it.

01:23:13.000 And he's like, yeah.

01:23:14.000 And I was like, these people are afraid That a fascist, tyrannical government will oppress them.

01:23:22.000 So they don't want their guns taken from them, right?

01:23:24.000 And he goes, well, I mean, I don't know.

01:23:29.000 And I was like, no, no, no, like, right.

01:23:30.000 They say, they say, don't take my guns.

01:23:31.000 Let me keep my guns.

01:23:32.000 And he goes, yeah, they want their guns.

01:23:33.000 And I was like, and they say it's because they're scared of a tyrannical government taking over.

01:23:37.000 And he's like, yeah.

01:23:38.000 And I'm like, so it sounds like they're actually anti-fascist.

01:23:42.000 And he was like, well, I guess, but like they're racist and stuff.

01:23:46.000 And I was like, well, it sounds like they want to be left alone from a tyrannical government, same as you.

01:23:51.000 Maybe if you like talk to them and figure things out.

01:23:53.000 There was one leftist guy who actually showed up to that event and he was like a hippie and he was wearing hippie clothes.

01:23:57.000 And he was like, I love free speech.

01:23:59.000 And I was like, what do you think about the people here?

01:24:00.000 He was like, ah, they're all racists. 0.89

01:24:02.000 And he was in the park though.

01:24:03.000 And he was like, but it's good that people are coming out and expressing their free speech.

01:24:06.000 And I'm willing to talk to them and tell them they're wrong.

01:24:08.000 And I was like, Hey man, yeah, right on.

01:24:09.000 That's what it's all about.

01:24:10.000 But these other guys, you know, when you isolate these people, that's how they get away with it.

01:24:16.000 They isolate these young activists, fill their heads with lies, and then tell them, don't talk to them because they'll lie to you, and they're grifters, and they'll try and trick you, and then these people get scared.

01:24:27.000 You know, the other thing is, cancel culture isn't about canceling the right to a great degree.

01:24:31.000 A lot of people on the right or the left are trying to censor us, and that's true, it's true.

01:24:34.000 But one thing, one part of cancel culture you need to understand is that it's an enforcement for the cultural left on the cultural left.

01:24:40.000 If you are a leftist and you speak out, we will come for you. 0.97

01:24:43.000 So shut your mouth and do as you're told. 0.54

01:24:46.000 The right, for the most part, they're defiant. 0.99

01:24:50.000 They're like, screw you, ban me, and then they get banned.

01:24:52.000 The cancel culture makes fear among the ranks of default liberals, where they're like, look, I can't speak up, I'll lose my job.

01:24:59.000 So part of this, uh, what you were talking about Seamus of this pack and Tim, you seem to have the same experience.

01:25:04.000 You think this fact that the more intolerant as a group, that's a function of this enforcement mechanism you're talking about.

01:25:11.000 And maybe there's a little bit of virtue signaling there as well, right?

01:25:14.000 You don't want to admit around your friends that, that, uh, you know, the other person has common sense.

01:25:19.000 Is there anything more to it than that?

01:25:21.000 I don't know.

01:25:21.000 I mean, so I had a friend reach out to me during the Nick Sandman debacle, and they were very on the left, and I always knew them as a left-winger, and they said, I think this is insane.

01:25:32.000 The people I'm surrounded with and close to all think it's completely normal.

01:25:36.000 And then there's part of me that wonders, do they?

01:25:38.000 Like, you're reaching out to me because you know I'm your right-leaning friend.

01:25:40.000 Maybe they're reaching out to their, like, right-leaning friend and saying the exact same thing.

01:25:45.000 I gotta tell you, it is absolutely mind-boggling having one-on-one conversations with critical race theory lefty types when their brains just break.

01:25:57.000 The question I always ask them is, are you a fan of Martin Luther King Jr.?

01:26:02.000 Do you agree with his dream speech that one day his four little children will be judged On the content of the character of the color of their skin like absolutely and then I'm like so do you think it's right to judge?

01:26:02.000 I say yes.

01:26:12.000 People based on the color of their skin or to view them based on their race principally and they're like yes And then I'm just like doesn't that kind of contradict that statement you just look well You got to understand the nuances of what dr. King really meant and I'm like I'm pretty sure he did not mean that we should be judging people like he said it pretty explicitly, but that's the question I always start with cuz I'll be like, you know, I tell people like look I You don't need to lie to me and claim you like Dr. King out of some social moral obligation.

01:26:39.000 It's absolutely okay if you want to come out and tell me you think he was wrong.

01:26:42.000 I'm not going to get mad at you for it.

01:26:44.000 We'll have a conversation about it.

01:26:46.000 But because it is socially unacceptable to oppose the teachings of Dr. King, and some of them were good and some of them were bad, I mean he's not a perfect guy or anything like that, that these people simultaneously hold contradictory views.

01:26:56.000 The modern view is that racial identitarianism among the left is a mandate, but also Dr. King is a mandate as well, but they clash.

01:27:04.000 You know, Derrick Bell is not a fan of those ideologies, and that's critical race theory.

01:27:09.000 Yeah, so in a way, Malcolm X won, right?

01:27:11.000 The debate between Martin Luther King Jr.

01:27:13.000 and Malcolm X in the 60s about, you know, how the black community should go forward.

01:27:18.000 Critical race theory is basically Malcolm X won, that racial identity is a key element to who you are as a person.

01:27:25.000 It's remarkable that we still live in a society where everyone recognizes that racial identitarianism is wrong, but the left routinely somehow advances the cause of racial identitarianism and these left activists, more pronounced Democrat types, simultaneously hold or espouse both views at the same time.

01:27:43.000 Yeah.

01:27:44.000 Well, and also certain racial identities are good, right? 0.88

01:27:48.000 I mean, nobody would, I don't think anybody in normal conversation would say that, you know, white identity politics are good. 0.73

01:27:56.000 And they're not, but there's an acceptance of black identity politics.

01:27:59.000 And it seems to be contradictory to me.

01:28:01.000 I mean, you can't, you know, you have to have a consistent principle here.

01:28:04.000 Identity politics, in many ways, is, I think, neutral.

01:28:08.000 But it's the authoritarian application of identity politics.

01:28:12.000 It's hard to actually quantify in a lot of ways, right?

01:28:15.000 The civil rights movement, identity politics.

01:28:16.000 Certainly, it was a good thing.

01:28:19.000 And there were some bad elements to it.

01:28:20.000 There was violence.

01:28:21.000 There were riots, of course.

01:28:22.000 And we don't like a lot of that.

01:28:24.000 But we want to point out that if there is a racial disparity, that we're like, okay, well, that's a problem.

01:28:30.000 How do you solve it?

01:28:30.000 Well, the answer is it more racism.

01:28:32.000 The answer is typically class-based or education-based or something like that.

01:28:36.000 But I think critical race theory, wokeism, and these ideas are just used as a cudgel by the left because they know it is socially acceptable to say Martin Luther King Jr.

01:28:45.000 was correct, and to oppose that, you'll be viewed as a racist.

01:28:49.000 People don't want to be racist, so the left just decided, we can use this as a cudgel to beat anyone who opposes us and to scare them. 0.99

01:28:55.000 Yeah, well, now we're at the point where they're like, you're a racist, you're a racist, and everyone's just like, hey, shut up. 0.98

01:29:00.000 It's meaningless. 0.98

01:29:01.000 But as I was saying, you know, cancel culture very much is for the left.

01:29:06.000 They want to make sure anybody on the left is scared to speak out.

01:29:09.000 They're scared to come on shows like this, because if they did, I'll tell you what, we've invited people on the left to come on the show, and they would, some, have agreed to, but then at the last minute refused to.

01:29:20.000 And, you know, without saying who specifically, I might have already said this in the past, but I'll just say without saying who, I think it's because if we got one of these leftists on the show with, say, Alex Jones or Steve Bannon, they would be saying, you're right, Steve.

01:29:31.000 You're right, Steve.

01:29:32.000 I agree, Steve.

01:29:33.000 Steve, you're also correct.

01:29:34.000 And then all of a sudden people would say, aha, they agree with everything Steve Bannon said.

01:29:37.000 They're right wing.

01:29:38.000 Right.

01:29:38.000 Exactly.

01:29:39.000 Even though Steve Bannon's a populist and espouses many things like tax the rich, the left already agrees with.

01:29:43.000 Right.

01:29:44.000 Yeah, well, and they eat each other and they know that. 0.60

01:29:46.000 People in their in-group will single them out and say, this person isn't ideologically pure enough.

01:29:50.000 I have a clip of them sitting across from Tim Poole saying, I agree with that point.

01:29:53.000 He agreed with Tim Poole on something!

01:29:54.000 He needs to be purged from the movement!

01:29:56.000 It's like, it's like I pointed out in that meme, you know, the guy says in Germany, if there's 11 people, one's a Nazi and the 10 are talking to him, you have 11 Nazis.

01:30:03.000 That's why the left is scared of cancel culture and this enforcement, and that's why they don't come on these shows.

01:30:09.000 It's that meme that any sufficiently unmoderated forum will become right-wing.

01:30:15.000 That's what happens on the internet.

01:30:16.000 If you have five people on a podcast and one of them is Tim Poole, all five of them are Tim Poole.

01:30:21.000 The way I describe it is that politics only flows in one direction.

01:30:25.000 If you have an Antifa member and a Proud Boy, and they're sitting there having a conversation and drinking beers, they're both Proud Boys.

01:30:32.000 There's no instance where the Proud Boys or the right is going to be like, that Proud Boy is secretly Antifa.

01:30:37.000 They're going to be like, why is he talking to Antifa?

01:30:38.000 And the left is going to be like, two Proud Boys.

01:30:41.000 So it only flows in one direction.

01:30:43.000 So where that ends up, I mean, honestly, it sounds like the left loses, because they'll just excise all of their members until there's nothing left.

01:30:51.000 Well, exactly.

01:30:52.000 And so one thing you said earlier, which is a white pill, and which I wholeheartedly agree with, is that the corrupt authority structure of the Chinese government is actually quite brittle.

01:31:00.000 Because when you are corrupt, of course, that means that your structure has less integrity.

01:31:07.000 And so ultimately, even though I'm not like out to lunch here, I'm not saying there's nothing to be done.

01:31:11.000 I'm not saying there's no threat.

01:31:13.000 I think there is some assurance in the fact that at the end of the day, goodness and truth do triumph.

01:31:17.000 And I firmly believe that.

01:31:19.000 Well, they do.

01:31:19.000 And I think if you look at history, I mean, tyrants have done really well for some time, but eventually people get fed up, right?

01:31:27.000 They get fed up with it.

01:31:28.000 And the concentration of power, this is the thing that I always get excited about, right?

01:31:32.000 The thing that fuels my desire to investigate corruption and the way that I view the world is I just have this profound distrust of people having a lot of power.

01:31:43.000 Yeah.

01:31:43.000 Now, sometimes it's necessary, right?

01:31:44.000 You're fighting a war.

01:31:46.000 You're fighting the Nazis in World War II.

01:31:47.000 You got to have generals.

01:31:48.000 You got to have political leaders that have a lot of power in order to win the battle.

01:31:51.000 That sometimes happens.

01:31:53.000 But in normal peaceful time, I don't want to have people that have a lot of power over my life.

01:31:59.000 And I'm particularly suspicious of people in government.

01:32:03.000 Doesn't mean that corporate power isn't a huge problem.

01:32:06.000 But generally, Bill Gates can't force me to do anything.

01:32:11.000 I mean, he can try to persuade me to buy Windows products.

01:32:14.000 He can't compel me to do anything.

01:32:16.000 The government can compel me to do stuff.

01:32:18.000 Those are the ones I really fear.

01:32:20.000 And I think a lot of people have come there.

01:32:23.000 A lot of dissolution people on the left were given, they were sold all these promises of what government was going to be able to do for them and help them.

01:32:30.000 And of course we want government to help people in ways that it can, but it's been so disappointing

01:32:35.000 in the promises that they offered and they've never delivered.

01:32:38.000 And that's what's exciting when people start thinking about that.

01:32:42.000 You look at Canada, what's going on?

01:32:43.000 Those truckers didn't think, hey, I wanna go on a 600 mile drive to Ottawa

01:32:48.000 just for the hell of it.

01:32:49.000 I've never seen Ottawa before.

01:32:51.000 They're animated because their government's failed them and they're tired of it.

01:32:54.000 Must've been crazy when they were getting gas.

01:32:56.000 No, for real. That's hilarious.

01:32:59.000 I'm sure the price went up in Canada just for all the truckers driving.

01:33:03.000 Well, you know, eventually they all got to pull in and they're all fueling up and maybe some of them get in line in intervals and stuff, but probably, you know.

01:33:09.000 No, I think I would piggybacking off of what you're saying and how there are some people who really do believe that the government is there to take care of them and sort of contrasting that to either a very cynical attitude or maybe even an optimistic attitude like the one that we share when it comes to truth and goodness.

01:33:25.000 The naive person looks at a corrupt system and says, it's not going to affect me.

01:33:32.000 It's not going to hurt me.

01:33:33.000 The cynical person says, it's going to hurt me and there's nothing I can do about it.

01:33:37.000 It's going to continue to hurt other people.

01:33:39.000 I think the optimistic person says this might hurt me, but in the long run, everything is going to be okay.

01:33:44.000 Even if I don't end up being comfortable with my life, even if I die, ultimately truth will prevail.

01:33:51.000 You know, what scares me is the idea of survival at all costs.

01:33:54.000 You know, that people are willing to just sit back and say, let the machine do as it pleases as long as I can just make it another day.

01:33:59.000 Yeah.

01:34:00.000 Yeah.

01:34:00.000 Sometimes you got to take risks, man.

01:34:02.000 And cynicism does.

01:34:03.000 It's funny because Neivete does that.

01:34:04.000 But cynicism also does that because a person says, there's nothing I can do to fight this.

01:34:08.000 It's going to win.

01:34:09.000 Right.

01:34:09.000 I get nervous about the idea of truth.

01:34:12.000 I find it so subjective.

01:34:13.000 I know we have this conversation from time to time, objective or subjective truth.

01:34:16.000 Every episode.

01:34:17.000 When you zoom out, the further you zoom out, the less things are what you thought they were.

01:34:21.000 And you realize that I'm just defining the reality with this form of truth, when if I zoom out, I can redefine it.

01:34:29.000 It's the same reality.

01:34:30.000 Both truths are right. 0.84

01:34:32.000 Which one do we adhere to?

01:34:33.000 And so I don't want to get obsessed with the truth.

01:34:36.000 Because I think that can be weaponized.

01:34:38.000 There's a good comic where it's two guys and there's a six or a nine, depending on which way you're standing, and they're both looking from different angles, pointing down, saying six, and the guy's saying nine.

01:34:49.000 They're both right.

01:34:50.000 Well, I don't know that because somebody painted a six or a nine there and intended it to be recognized as a six or a nine.

01:34:54.000 Or somebody painted a sideways symbol knowing it would be confusing and disruptive, and that person was the Chinese Communist Party.

01:35:05.000 I mean, I would say, obviously, I'm always going to argue in favor of objective truth.

01:35:09.000 And it's a bigger discussion for the after show.

01:35:11.000 But because I think ultimately what you're saying is even the claim you're making about zooming out is a truth claim.

01:35:17.000 You're saying the truth of it is when we zoom out, it looks like this.

01:35:19.000 So you still believe in truth.

01:35:21.000 But I want to ask you something here, Peter, because The thing I really wanted to pick your brain about here is obviously you study political corruption a lot.

01:35:30.000 What would you say is something that myself, Ian, Tim, Lydia, and the people in the audience probably haven't considered about corruption or some particularly corrupt elements within the system that aren't paid enough attention to?

01:35:42.000 Oh, man, that's a good question.

01:35:43.000 I think there's a lot more corruption than people realize, and it's not this sort of abstract.

01:35:48.000 People kind of think that, you know, they're guys taking, you know, money in shoeboxes, and they're more sophisticated about that.

01:35:55.000 There's the biggest corruption in Washington.

01:35:57.000 The most profitable corruption in Washington, D.C.

01:36:00.000 is legal corruption.

01:36:02.000 It's stuff that you can actually do and get away with.

01:36:04.000 And the problem is, the political class gets to write their own rules, right?

01:36:09.000 I mean, you've got a business, you're in business.

01:36:11.000 Tim, you've got a business.

01:36:13.000 We don't get to write our own rules.

01:36:14.000 We have to conform with what the laws tell us, the politicians.

01:36:18.000 They get to write their own rules.

01:36:19.000 So, that to me is, I think, the biggest concern that we all have to have.

01:36:24.000 People always say to me, well, is it illegal?

01:36:27.000 And the answer a lot of times is, well, it'd be illegal if we did it, but it's not if they do it, because they got to write the rules, and they wrote it that way.

01:36:35.000 And the insider trading on the stock market is the classic example of this.

01:36:41.000 It was legal for a long time for members of Congress to do it, and then I wrote a book called Throw Them All Out, exposed it.

01:36:48.000 We did a big 60 minutes episode.

01:36:50.000 They confronted Nancy Pelosi with all the stuff that she was doing, and then they passed a law, because people were so outraged, They passed a law called the Stock Act that was supposed to fix it.

01:37:00.000 And then about four or five months later, in the House and the Senate, they had a voice vote, so nobody recorded the vote, to gut the bill.

01:37:09.000 And Barack Obama, in the middle of the night, there was no rose garden ceremony like there was the last time, signed it.

01:37:14.000 And they totally gutted it.

01:37:16.000 So it's bipartisan, and what you find a lot of times is, a lot of the combat you see going on in Washington, D.C., these guys are yelling at that guy, it's a little bit like professional wrestling.

01:37:26.000 We're gonna have Marjorie Taylor Greene back on the show, and she made an excellent, uh, well she just, she told us something that was, you know, shocking to a lot of people, that Democrats and Republicans just sit in a room where they're like, okay we got a bill here in favor of Democrats, aye, Republicans, nay, Democrats get it, bang the gavel, moving on, there's no, they don't count the votes, they don't actually go through it, they don't debate it, it's just like, bang next, bang next.

01:37:49.000 But she'll be coming back.

01:37:50.000 I want to do a skit where they go, can I hear all the yeas?

01:37:53.000 They're like, ehhh.

01:37:54.000 All the nays, ehhh. 1.00

01:37:56.000 The ehhs have it! 0.98

01:37:57.000 We gotta do this.

01:37:58.000 We gotta go to Super Chats.

01:38:00.000 We gotta go to Super Chats.

01:38:01.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel.

01:38:01.000 We are way late.

01:38:05.000 For every like we get, it is one hunk!

01:38:07.000 In support of the trucker convoy.

01:38:09.000 One like, one honk.

01:38:10.000 And go to TimCast.com.

01:38:11.000 We're going to have a members only podcast up around 11 or so PM.

01:38:13.000 You're not going to want to miss it.

01:38:15.000 This is where we, we're not so family friendly.

01:38:17.000 And, uh, definitely check that out at TimCast.com.

01:38:19.000 I can't read the name of the first super chat cause that's how YouTube works.

01:38:22.000 They say the great honking knows no borders, not between nations and not between real life and the internet.

01:38:28.000 And then there's a whole bunch of truck emojis and some horns.

01:38:31.000 Yeah.

01:38:32.000 I love how so many of the chats are just honk, honk, honk.

01:38:35.000 Everyone's just chatting.

01:38:35.000 Yeah.

01:38:38.000 Everybody chant, honk.

01:38:39.000 Show us, uh, Neil Williams says, show us your honkers.

01:38:43.000 All right.

01:38:44.000 It's fun watching these videos, man.

01:38:46.000 You know, people are like looking out their window and you're just honking and wailing.

01:38:49.000 And I'm like, dude, I dig it, man.

01:38:51.000 Dark World noted at the beginning of the show, 1.7K to 4.6K likes in 60 seconds.

01:38:57.000 Because I posted one like equals one hunk.

01:39:00.000 And everybody said it.

01:39:01.000 All right, let's see.

01:39:01.000 That's hilarious.

01:39:06.000 Rilo says, Tim, can you please clarify?

01:39:08.000 When normal people cede ground to authoritarians, we are cowards, but when Rogan does it, it's tact.

01:39:13.000 P.S., the Freedom Convoys must outlast government, else it will fail.

01:39:17.000 Certain circumstances are ceding ground, and certain circumstances are tact, and certain circumstances are literally both.

01:39:24.000 Joe Rogan is quite literally being tactful and ceding ground.

01:39:27.000 I think there's reason to criticize, but there's also a conversation to be had about Spotify's shares recovered after he made the announcement.

01:39:35.000 He gives some ground to the left.

01:39:37.000 If we keep doing this... So this is literally what I said in the segment.

01:39:41.000 If there are 100 grains of sand on the right and 100 grains of sand on the left, and we keep saying, well, to avoid losing 10 grains of sand, the right will give up but one.

01:39:50.000 It's tactful.

01:39:51.000 It's strategy.

01:39:52.000 It's a strategic loss.

01:39:53.000 But if that is the only path forward after, you know, ten years, the right has no grains of sand left.

01:39:59.000 It's one tiny grain of sand.

01:40:01.000 We don't think it's that big of a deal.

01:40:02.000 My point is that it may be beneficial in the long run to retreat, because retreat in battle is sometimes the right move, but you can't only retreat.

01:40:11.000 So it could be both.

01:40:12.000 It really, really can.

01:40:14.000 I mentioned this on this show, too.

01:40:15.000 You know, and I've said not everybody can just up and leave their job.

01:40:18.000 I totally understand that.

01:40:19.000 Some people probably should.

01:40:20.000 And some people might have to recognize that some, you know, life will be very difficult and to do what they can.

01:40:24.000 But I recognize that everybody could.

01:40:26.000 And I recognize that we're under constraints as well, which is why we created a speakeasy, as it were, where we talk about what we can on this show, which is most things that 1% we can't.

01:40:36.000 We have over at TimCast.com, and we're starting to put up on podcast platforms where we don't, so actually putting up about We put up one uncensored show on Sundays now on that just because we want to get those conversations out and bypass the censorship I'm sorry, man.

01:40:50.000 It's it's it's not easy.

01:40:51.000 It's not perfect.

01:40:52.000 And I'm not I'm certainly not perfect, you know, but I try All right Siggy says I am a lady truck driver in Alabama.

01:40:59.000 We stand with our northern northern brethren Thanks for all those who show appreciation for drivers.

01:41:04.000 We get a lot of ish.

01:41:05.000 Yeah, definitely, man Alright, Jay Benning says I was at the Vancouver support protest this weekend.

01:41:11.000 I was pessimistic, thinking it was just a small group of us against the mandates.

01:41:14.000 Driving through it gave me hope.

01:41:16.000 Warms your heart.

01:41:18.000 Yeah, man.

01:41:19.000 So there's, uh, all these people online, these lefty liberal types are complaining.

01:41:23.000 They're like, it's so noisy and they're harassing me.

01:41:25.000 It's like, yo, in 2012, there was something called the casseroles protest where people all across Canada were going outside banging pots and pans and it was super noisy and loud.

01:41:34.000 And they were like, yay.

01:41:35.000 And I'm like, I'm down for either of it.

01:41:38.000 It's nonviolence and disobedience, man.

01:41:39.000 Also, to quote AOC, when people were burning buildings down, protests are supposed to make you a little uncomfortable.

01:41:39.000 Do your thing.

01:41:44.000 That's right!

01:41:45.000 And it's honking, man!

01:41:47.000 But it's funny because they're like, it's three days of non-stop honking!

01:41:50.000 Earplugs, man.

01:41:52.000 I mean, look, when the Extinction Rebellion people blocked the road in DC, I defended it.

01:41:59.000 I said, hey, look, it's non-violent civil disobedience.

01:42:01.000 Those who make peaceful revolution inevitable, I'm sorry, impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

01:42:07.000 So people need to have that medium between destruction and obstruction.

01:42:11.000 And if a handful of people are like, I wanna get my message out there, so they block a road, okay, the cops come in, they remove them, we say, you're gonna get criminally charged for this.

01:42:19.000 But we tolerate that level because we don't want people throwing firebombs.

01:42:22.000 Right.

01:42:23.000 So there's gotta be some, you know, some level.

01:42:27.000 All right, what's this?

01:42:29.000 Alex says it wasn't just Ottawa.

01:42:31.000 Honking happened in every city in Canada on Saturday confirmed.

01:42:35.000 YVR, YXX, YEG, YYC, YYZ and YHZ with video from friends and family.

01:42:42.000 Reddit city subs confirmed, whiners and all the rest.

01:42:45.000 Wow, interesting.

01:42:47.000 Yeah man, people standing up for what they believe in, great respect.

01:42:50.000 Brony Ninja says, video idea for Seamus.

01:42:53.000 Rich clones of two people run everything.

01:42:56.000 The Millie O'Neir and Billy O'Neir.

01:42:58.000 Bernie is complaining that they are to blame for everything until the Millies start to fawn over him because they love his book.

01:43:04.000 He turns into a Millie and blames Billies. 0.87

01:43:06.000 Oh my gosh, no.

01:43:07.000 I mean, it's legit.

01:43:08.000 That's literally exactly what happened.

01:43:08.000 It's true.

01:43:10.000 I have to think about that.

01:43:11.000 I just have to make sure that this person doesn't sue me when I take their idea.

01:43:14.000 I'll have to get them to sign an NDA or something.

01:43:16.000 It's like Bernie was like, everybody, we have to break into the mansion.

01:43:21.000 And then the moment he got to the door and knocked on it, they were like, Bernie. 0.96

01:43:24.000 Just screw those guys. 0.94

01:43:25.000 Come on in the club. 0.99

01:43:26.000 He's like, I can come in.

01:43:27.000 You're in the club, bro.

01:43:28.000 He's a million bucks.

01:43:29.000 Uh, just a minute, everybody.

01:43:30.000 I have to go inside this building real quick.

01:43:32.000 And then they closed the door and everyone's outside.

01:43:33.000 When you write a bestselling book, you can have, that's like, well, what about the people who like gathered the lumber and then turned it into paper?

01:43:41.000 And that like, there's so many people who worked at their jobs to make that book happen.

01:43:44.000 Besides you, Bernie, why are you the millionaire?

01:43:46.000 I don't get it.

01:43:47.000 There's that Family Guy episode where everyone's complaining about the supermarket taking jobs

01:43:52.000 and destroying the town's economy or whatever.

01:43:54.000 So Peter's like, let's go protest.

01:43:56.000 And then he walks in the air conditioning.

01:43:57.000 And then like, then he walks outside and he goes, you are trespassing on private property.

01:44:03.000 That's what it is.

01:44:04.000 You know.

01:44:05.000 That's true.

01:44:06.000 All right.

01:44:07.000 Let's see what we got.

01:44:09.000 Matt B says, as a Canadian, I'm proud of these guys who are in Ottawa and provincial buildings.

01:44:13.000 Also, name the last protest you've seen where people were shoveling the sidewalks and trucker were removing graffiti.

01:44:20.000 Yet Toronto Sun says, waving Nazi and Confederate flags and stealing food from homeless people.

01:44:26.000 You know what I really love about that trope?

01:44:29.000 We have to feed the homeless. 0.91

01:44:30.000 You hear that and I'm like, dude, they're not foodless, they're homeless. 0.75

01:44:34.000 A lot of the homeless people in the United States are very fat. 0.90

01:44:36.000 Yeah. 0.89

01:44:36.000 You know, so we need to home the homeless! 0.89

01:44:39.000 That was always the funniest thing to me, because I worked for non-profits, and I'm just like, yo, why are we feeding people who don't have homes?

01:44:44.000 Why don't we give them homes? 0.98

01:44:45.000 And they're like, I don't know, they're hungry?

01:44:46.000 And I'm like, how do you know they're hungry?

01:44:48.000 They're homeless, not foodless.

01:44:50.000 And also, technically, these truckers would be homeless, right?

01:44:52.000 In Ottawa, because their homes aren't there.

01:44:54.000 That's right.

01:44:55.000 There you go.

01:44:56.000 So they're without home temporarily.

01:44:58.000 Yeah.

01:44:59.000 All right.

01:45:01.000 Clayton says, Friday, Seamus said, God's word hasn't been changed.

01:45:05.000 God had rules for slavery.

01:45:07.000 Wait for Seamus to respond, because he'll falsely claim it was indentured servitude when there were distinctions between Jewish servants and heathen slaves.

01:45:14.000 Need Matt Dillahunty on.

01:45:16.000 Yeah, so it's a good question.

01:45:17.000 You have the old covenant and you have the new covenant.

01:45:19.000 So you have laws that were specific to the Jewish people based on God's covenant with them as opposed to the natural law of the universe.

01:45:26.000 So what I was talking about basically is that there are certain immutable moral laws of the universe that do not change and cannot change based on circumstance.

01:45:35.000 So something like marriage falls into that category because thou shall not commit adultery as a commandment.

01:45:41.000 So there has to be some sort of parameter for that.

01:45:44.000 When it comes to the way the Old Testament discusses that, when you had wars, people would be captured as prisoners of war.

01:45:50.000 Sometimes people would owe a debt and so they would work it off.

01:45:54.000 It was not the same as the kind of chattel slavery that we refer to, but nonetheless the church condemns slavery and owning other people.

01:46:02.000 You guys need to have a special conversation on religion that we could put up on the website.

01:46:07.000 I mentioned that last time, but that would be great.

01:46:10.000 Yeah, no, I think it would be- And we'd just put it up for free.

01:46:12.000 We'd have like, you know, a religious conversation with the hippie DMT Ian and, you know, Seamus Religious.

01:46:19.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:46:20.000 Also, wait, can I mention one thing, too, though?

01:46:22.000 Christianity was so, from its inception, so anti-slavery that St. 0.62

01:46:27.000 Patrick, who was taken a slave by the Irish, went back, evangelized Ireland, and within decades of his death, slavery had almost completely disappeared.

01:46:37.000 in Ireland because the people had accepted Christianity.

01:46:40.000 Yeah.

01:46:40.000 Wow.

01:46:40.000 You guys should have a longer conversation.

01:46:42.000 Yeah.

01:46:42.000 Let's read some more.

01:46:43.000 We got, uh, Jay Neighbor says, Old fat truck driver from Dubuque here.

01:46:47.000 Seamus, cartoon idea.

01:46:48.000 Next pandemic is the lying pants on fire virus.

01:46:52.000 Talking head saying things with burning coming up from below.

01:46:55.000 Then Alex Jones has something and nothing happens.

01:46:57.000 Let's go, Canada.

01:46:59.000 All right.

01:46:59.000 Thank you.

01:46:59.000 All these people are just writing my tunes for me.

01:47:01.000 And they're super chatting in.

01:47:03.000 They're paying me!

01:47:04.000 No, I know.

01:47:05.000 They're paying Tim.

01:47:06.000 Guys, pay me.

01:47:06.000 No, so I do have a trucker convoy cartoon that I'm very excited to work on and I'm very excited to show everybody.

01:47:13.000 I can't wait for Thursday.

01:47:14.000 I forgot the guy's name.

01:47:16.000 He's the Canadian hero who traveled across the country when he was sick.

01:47:18.000 What was his name?

01:47:19.000 illiterate in history and thought the confederate flag is incriminating to bring bad press to

01:47:23.000 the entire movement.

01:47:24.000 I will say there was um, what was, I forgot the guy's name, he's the Canadian hero who

01:47:29.000 traveled across the country when he was sick.

01:47:31.000 What was his name?

01:47:32.000 Oh, Terry something?

01:47:33.000 Terry?

01:47:34.000 Fox?

01:47:35.000 I don't know.

01:47:37.000 I'm not as well-versed on Canadian history, but there was a statue and they put the flag on him and the mandate freedom and everyone, you know, people got really mad about that.

01:47:43.000 And I'm very much of the, I get they didn't vandalize it, they just put a flag on him and a cape or whatever, but, you know, my opinion is you gotta be very, very careful.

01:47:52.000 Right.

01:47:53.000 About, you know, because there are people who are sitting at home who are probably confused.

01:47:56.000 As much as I don't think there are a lot of regular people that aren't politically active these days, there are some, you know, and they're gonna be like, You've got to be the people who are shoveling the snow and cleaning up graffiti and waving to people with smiles on your faces as opposed to the rambunctious, you know.

01:48:11.000 Also, I want to mention this.

01:48:12.000 Isn't it the purpose of a journalist to investigate a story instead of going, oh, this is something that I want to have seen happen, so I'm going to report that it did?

01:48:19.000 Like, shouldn't they be asking questions about who this person with the Confederate flag is?

01:48:23.000 Yes.

01:48:23.000 Right.

01:48:25.000 Or why there's one guy with a Nazi flag and then all of a sudden all the stories are like, Protesters were waving Nazi flags.

01:48:30.000 It's like, there's one guy there, man.

01:48:32.000 Nobody liked him.

01:48:33.000 There was a viral video of a guy who showed up at a Patriot prayer event in, I think, near Portland, who had some kind of like, I think he had a Nazi flag or something, or he was yelling the N-word.

01:48:44.000 And all the left was like, see, this proves it.

01:48:46.000 And I'm like, yo, it's literally a video of the right-wing group kicking him out.

01:48:49.000 I was like, I don't understand what this is.

01:48:52.000 It proves they're racist?

01:48:52.000 And they're like, yeah, well, he's with them.

01:48:54.000 And I'm like, but they're kicking him out. 0.51

01:48:55.000 Don't care if 11 people are kicking one Nazi out you have 12 Nazis All right Dennis says back in July last year when churches were being burned down Trudeau said it was a shame but understandable now It's unacceptable and disgusting to honk your horn for freedom.

01:49:15.000 Hmm One like equals one honk. 0.97

01:49:19.000 Honk that like button. 0.86

01:49:21.000 Like that honk button.

01:49:23.000 Smash that horn.

01:49:24.000 That's what the honk button is.

01:49:25.000 Hit it.

01:49:26.000 That's what the like button is.

01:49:29.000 Have you guys ever heard of Bill Gates?

01:49:33.000 Who's that?

01:49:34.000 No, but I heard this guy named Luke, who used to be on this podcast, who I miss dearly.

01:49:39.000 You know what's funny?

01:49:40.000 Luke leaves the show and now he has to pay us to say things on the show.

01:49:45.000 Opportunity cost.

01:49:45.000 Our plan is complete.

01:49:49.000 Oh, this is cool.

01:49:50.000 Radioactive Llama says Viva Frye was live streaming from the protest today for hours.

01:49:55.000 What he was showing didn't match with what Trudeau said at all.

01:49:57.000 It is infuriating.

01:49:59.000 But we have awesome content creators, commentators, and YouTubers like Viva Frye, you guys should definitely subscribe to his channel, who goes out and actually shows you the truth that That is the power of the Internet.

01:50:11.000 That's the positivity of the Internet.

01:50:13.000 There are bad things, there's manipulation, but that helps us break through the lies.

01:50:17.000 Tim, speaking of Luke's Super Chat, can we ask one question about Bill Gates and if there's any kind of connection to China?

01:50:22.000 There's something you could say about the corruption with him, given your research.

01:50:25.000 Oh man, yeah.

01:50:26.000 There's a big section on Bill Gates.

01:50:28.000 Bill Gates loves China.

01:50:29.000 He thinks President Xi works very hard.

01:50:32.000 For the Chinese people. He's an advisor to Xi. He's a member of this thing called the China 0.91

01:50:38.000 Engineering Association And it's an advisory body to the government. He's invested

01:50:45.000 in a lot of companies that help build up the Chinese military

01:50:48.000 It's a huge problem Microsoft is very involved in artificial intelligence research in China, in laboratories where the Chinese military is doing that work.

01:51:00.000 And in fact, Microsoft takes interns from the People's Liberation Army.

01:51:05.000 So it's, it's, it's a, it's a crazy relationship.

01:51:08.000 And Bill Gates is, is one of those guys who likes the Chinese model very well.

01:51:14.000 That's crazy.

01:51:14.000 I had no idea he was an advisor to Xi Jinping.

01:51:17.000 Yeah.

01:51:17.000 Yep.

01:51:18.000 Wow.

01:51:18.000 I just want to, I want to point out how much I love the word honk.

01:51:21.000 It's just so good.

01:51:22.000 I got to read this one.

01:51:23.000 Many strange quark says, give me liberty or give me honk.

01:51:27.000 To honk or not to honk?

01:51:29.000 That is the question.

01:51:30.000 I regret I have, I have one honk to give to my country.

01:51:35.000 Let's win one for the honk. 0.93

01:51:37.000 I'll be your honkleberry.

01:51:38.000 That was a good one.

01:51:41.000 Honkapalooza 2022.

01:51:44.000 It works out so well because of the honk meme already with like clown world and now the truckers and now the, you know, honking.

01:51:51.000 Yeah, I like that one.

01:51:52.000 I regret I have but one honk to give my country.

01:51:56.000 You don't!

01:51:57.000 You can actually, you can honk several times.

01:52:00.000 Keep doing it.

01:52:00.000 I had a friend once who got a ticket for improper use of horn in Chicago.

01:52:04.000 Oh yeah.

01:52:04.000 It's just because... What is that?

01:52:06.000 What is that?

01:52:06.000 No honking.

01:52:07.000 Yeah, you can't honk for any reason other than like to alert someone.

01:52:10.000 New York's got those too.

01:52:12.000 Just because they're so highly urbanized, they don't want to disturb the peace.

01:52:15.000 Yeah, I think that's the idea.

01:52:16.000 He was honking to like, his friend was in the house and he pulled up and honked to let him know he was there.

01:52:20.000 And it's like, brrp brrp.

01:52:22.000 And he got a ticket for it.

01:52:22.000 Yeah, and the cop was like, you can't do that.

01:52:24.000 It was like a $35 ticket or something.

01:52:26.000 Improper use of horn.

01:52:28.000 Of honk.

01:52:29.000 Improper use of horn.

01:52:30.000 You can't tell me how to honk.

01:52:32.000 I remember as a kid, you know, the truckers would go by on the road and you'd want them to honk, right?

01:52:36.000 You'd want them to honk.

01:52:37.000 Yeah, that's a big part of it.

01:52:41.000 Jazz Monkey says, my friends and I were serving truckers and police coffee at the protest.

01:52:48.000 There was lots of love in the air and conservative leaders are meeting and speaking with truckers in spite of the limp wristies. 0.86

01:52:54.000 Tyrant Trudeau.

01:52:56.000 Wrists.

01:52:57.000 Jordan Peterson made a call to political members of the Canadian political affiliate.

01:53:03.000 I don't know how you would describe it, but hey, let's get it going.

01:53:05.000 This is your moment.

01:53:06.000 This is your time to shine.

01:53:07.000 The citizens are behind you.

01:53:08.000 Come on.

01:53:09.000 Well, I mean, one super chat we had earlier was mentioning that the convoy was just still getting into Ottawa, and it was backed up, and more and more people are coming in.

01:53:16.000 I want it all through the United States, man.

01:53:18.000 Bring it.

01:53:19.000 But it's very much like Occupy.

01:53:21.000 It's a populist protest.

01:53:22.000 People in the United States, yeah, truckers should... Look, here's the crazy thing.

01:53:27.000 If you're in a truck and you pull into a city and you're legally allowed to drive there, it is very obstructive to that city, but no one is doing anything that borders on any illegality, right?

01:53:38.000 So the interesting thing is when you take a boat like Extinction Rebellion did and put it in the middle of an intersection, you're blocking traffic, move, we refuse, you're under arrest.

01:53:48.000 If everybody just drove their trucks into the city and just jammed everything up, it's literally just people driving on roads.

01:53:55.000 There's nothing they can do other than everyone go and you go, okay, and you just turn left and you go back around.

01:53:59.000 And it's like, what are they going to do?

01:54:01.000 They can't do anything about it.

01:54:02.000 Well, and the other thing about truckers and the significance of this protest is they're not exactly a group of people which is generally outspoken.

01:54:08.000 There are certain careers, which I will not name, that are sort of notorious for complaining about how underappreciated and undervalued they are.

01:54:16.000 Truckers are extremely important, and you don't see them going out there, flaunting their stuff all the time, talking about how people need to be more considerate of them, talking about how people need to appreciate them more.

01:54:26.000 So when they're willing to stand up and say, we're drawing a line, alright, treat us with some decency and respect, probably listen, not just because they bring you your food, but also because this is not a group of people which is constantly making demands on us.

01:54:38.000 I hate to be Debbie Downer on this one.

01:54:40.000 But I imagine people like Klaus Schwab are going, this is very good for us.

01:54:45.000 The truckers won't bring food in.

01:54:46.000 Then people will stop spending money and capitalism will fail.

01:54:50.000 They need our drones.

01:54:52.000 But I disagree because I think the securing of the right of the worker will be better for capitalism in the long run.

01:54:59.000 Yeah.

01:55:00.000 In the short term, I can imagine great reset people are like truckers.

01:55:04.000 If they're not working and bringing stuff in, then we're resetting everything that's working.

01:55:08.000 But in the long run, if the people actually win and the corrupt system fails, it doesn't matter what they want.

01:55:14.000 Exactly.

01:55:15.000 Well, you think about Ayn Rand's book, you know, Atlas Shrugged.

01:55:18.000 I don't know if you guys read it or you heard about it, but yeah.

01:55:20.000 I watched a nine hour long movie about it.

01:55:22.000 Oh my God.

01:55:23.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:55:24.000 I mean, the whole premise of the story was like all the people that make things happen in society, kind of, you know, the smart business, basically go on strike and leave.

01:55:33.000 Like, in this case, it's the truckers doing it, right?

01:55:36.000 They're the ones that are actually delivering the food.

01:55:38.000 Yeah, they make it happen.

01:55:39.000 People don't realize how important they are.

01:55:40.000 That's like if your blood left your body.

01:55:43.000 Yeah.

01:55:43.000 That's what people need to realize.

01:55:44.000 New York, man, these cities.

01:55:47.000 I just, I wish, even for like one week, all the truckers were like, we're not going to go into New York City.

01:55:52.000 Yeah, that's what I want.

01:55:52.000 They would have no food.

01:55:53.000 I want people to experience what it would be like without them, without actually taking it away from them, because I don't want to cause the suffering.

01:56:00.000 It's like a horrible, horrible amount of suffering I would imagine would come out of that if that were to happen.

01:56:05.000 There's a question about what it takes for someone to truly learn a lesson.

01:56:08.000 And if these people keep voting in policies that are destroying the lives of everyone in this country because of

01:56:14.000 New York, right?

01:56:16.000 I'll put it this way.

01:56:17.000 If the people of New York keep voting in, nationally and federally, the same people, who then vote for policies that negatively impact people who live in the country, who don't want anything to do with their way of life, there comes a time where it's like, if the truckers protested, and they understood why their policies were bad, then maybe they'd be like, you know, maybe we should stop imposing our will on people who don't live here.

01:56:37.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:38.000 Yeah.

01:56:39.000 It's like, um, it's, uh, what was it?

01:56:42.000 What was it?

01:56:42.000 It's a Family Guy episode, I think, where a murderer, uh, pokes himself, and he's in prison, and then, like, something happens, and he takes the knife, looks at it, and he stabs himself.

01:56:50.000 He goes, oh!

01:56:51.000 Ow! 1.00

01:56:52.000 That really hurts!

01:56:53.000 Is that what I've been doing to people?

01:56:55.000 I belong in here!

01:56:57.000 It's like, it's like a point about people not realizing that they're destroying so much because they have no idea what they're doing.

01:57:02.000 They don't experience it, you know?

01:57:04.000 So somebody sent me an infographic of how long it would take for the country to completely fall apart without truckers. 0.92

01:57:10.000 A very short time.

01:57:11.000 It turns out that you would immediately run out of oxygen in hospitals, you'd run out of medicine in hospitals, you'd run out of food.

01:57:19.000 You'd run out of water, you'd run out of fuel, you'd stop having trash emptied.

01:57:23.000 And I tweeted, the trucker's convoy is making me think that our media and political classes might benefit from a few weeks without these distasteful cretins doing such unimportant work as bringing food to stores, removing waste, and bringing medicine and oxygen to hospitals. 1.00

01:57:35.000 I really think that our politicians and media could do with it.

01:57:37.000 Check this out.

01:57:39.000 The truckers could come out right now and say, we want everyone to know that we will be doing a general trucker strike over this for the next week.

01:57:47.000 No trucker will be delivering.

01:57:49.000 So make sure you have adequate supplies for whatever you need.

01:57:52.000 Here's what'll happen.

01:57:53.000 People on the right will be like, you got it, boss.

01:57:56.000 People on the left will be like, did you watch the game last night?

01:57:59.000 No, they don't watch sports either.

01:58:01.000 Yeah, they're probably not.

01:58:01.000 They'll be like, did you watch that Bernie rally last night?

01:58:04.000 Or whatever it is they're watching.

01:58:05.000 No, they're watching like Netflix or whatever.

01:58:08.000 Did you watch that Netflix reboot that was super progressive?

01:58:11.000 I don't know.

01:58:12.000 But even they don't watch that!

01:58:13.000 But they're not paying attention to the news.

01:58:15.000 So they would be like, what's happening?

01:58:16.000 Why is it happening?

01:58:17.000 And it's like, oh, you didn't hear they're protesting the mandates.

01:58:19.000 They're like, well, I didn't hear about that because it's not a racist tweet.

01:58:21.000 So like, how does it affect me?

01:58:23.000 Right.

01:58:23.000 And they'd be victims, right?

01:58:25.000 I mean, they're very good at victimhood.

01:58:26.000 So they'd be like, it's not fair.

01:58:28.000 Well, that's the point of the truckers telling everybody like, hey, heads up, we're protesting for our rights.

01:58:32.000 But I mean, I find it really funny that the left is opposed to workers' rights right now.

01:58:35.000 Of course.

01:58:36.000 But that's the thing they've always been.

01:58:38.000 The left has used the worker as a human shield, basically, for any agenda they want to try to get across.

01:58:44.000 They've totally co-opted the unions.

01:58:47.000 And then they always go out in public and claim, we're standing for the workers.

01:58:50.000 We want what's best for them.

01:58:51.000 But their values are nowhere even remotely close to those of the average working person.

01:58:55.000 They have completely different goals.

01:58:56.000 Yeah, I want to read a couple more superchats before we go too late.

01:58:59.000 Karenath says, Ian, being an incel is not about sex.

01:59:03.000 It's about not having someone to love and talk to, someone to care for and start a family with.

01:59:07.000 It's not about sex, or we would just get ladies of the night.

01:59:10.000 Keep it more family friendly.

01:59:11.000 VR sex, VR girlfriends won't help anything for anyone.

01:59:14.000 Yeah, also I want to mention before Ian responds to that, when I was discussing the fact that you do have this problem with young men who feel they have no bind to society doing horrific things, I'm not saying any person that you could consider an incel is going to be a violent or bad person.

01:59:29.000 And I should point out, Seamus is the one that brought up incels earlier, not me.

01:59:32.000 Thanks for throwing me under the bus.

01:59:35.000 He threw me right under that trucker convoy. 0.84

01:59:37.000 I think you make a stellar point that love, that being celibate or involved, it's more about sex. 0.98

01:59:44.000 You know, you could easily hire somebody if you wanted to have sex with them. 1.00

01:59:48.000 But it's way more than that. 0.99

01:59:49.000 I agree with you.

01:59:50.000 We should make an opening graphic that says honkcast. 1.00

01:59:55.000 I'll make the freedom tunes honky tunes.

01:59:57.000 I don't know about that one.

02:00:00.000 Is that why they're calling it a racist protest?

02:00:02.000 Calling us honkies with their horns?

02:00:04.000 All right everybody if you haven't already Smash that like button.

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02:00:32.000 Peter, you want to shout anything out?

02:00:34.000 No, just China is a major problem for us and I think we've had a great conversation tonight.

02:00:38.000 You do have a book.

02:00:39.000 I do.

02:00:40.000 I have a book that has been out for two weeks.

02:00:44.000 It's called Red Handed.

02:00:45.000 It's actually been out for a week.

02:00:46.000 Getting a lot of interest, getting a lot of criticism and attacks.

02:00:50.000 Been on number one on Amazon all week and loved people to check it out.

02:00:54.000 That's a clever name for a book.

02:00:55.000 Thank you, thank you.

02:00:57.000 I actually came up with that myself, believe it or not.

02:00:59.000 Do you have a social media or anything like that?

02:00:59.000 Very cool.

02:01:01.000 Yeah, you can go to thedrilldown.com.

02:01:04.000 I've got a podcast I do once a week.

02:01:06.000 It's about 25 minutes looking at corruption.

02:01:09.000 And you can also just find my organization, the Government Accountability Institute, online.

02:01:13.000 We do a lot of research on all kinds of cronyism and corruption.

02:01:16.000 It's a target-rich environment.

02:01:18.000 Right on.

02:01:19.000 Awesome.

02:01:19.000 Seamus Coghlan.

02:01:20.000 Thank you so much for stopping by and watching this.

02:01:22.000 I love getting an opportunity to do the show.

02:01:25.000 Firstly, I want to plug the after show, because I think we're going to have a really good conversation where we go deeper into some of this corruption.

02:01:30.000 And I want to plug my YouTube channel, Freedom Tunes.

02:01:33.000 Go check that out.

02:01:34.000 We're going to be releasing a cartoon this week, as we release every week.

02:01:37.000 It's going to be about the trucker protest.

02:01:38.000 So keep your eyes peeled for that on Thursday.

02:01:40.000 Can we get Fauci in that trucker protest so I can get some royalties?

02:01:43.000 Oh my gosh, it's true.

02:01:45.000 So Tim voices this little character I invented named Dr. Fauci, and the royalty checks from Freedom Tunes basically fund all of this.

02:01:54.000 You should, at the end of the cartoon, it goes to the front of the line, to the front of the convoy, and it's Fauci.

02:01:59.000 And he's just trying to get home, you know?

02:02:01.000 But he doesn't realize what he's done.

02:02:04.000 Oh, that's so funny!

02:02:07.000 Get out of my way! 1.00

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02:02:14.000 Check out my social medias there.

02:02:15.000 Peter, really awesome conversation, dude.

02:02:17.000 This was great.

02:02:18.000 A lot of fun.

02:02:18.000 Catch you guys later, man.

02:02:20.000 Yeah, I was happy to hear that Peter has a podcast.

02:02:22.000 Somebody in the chat was saying, if you don't have one, you should.

02:02:25.000 So thedrilldown.com, that's correct?

02:02:27.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:02:28.000 Awesome.

02:02:28.000 And Freedom Tunes is T-O-O-N-S.

02:02:31.000 Thank you, Lids.

02:02:32.000 It is cartoons, not music.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - February 01, 2022

Timcast IRL - Freedom Convoy Becomes THE HONKENING, Trudeau FLEES Mandate Protest w-Peter Schweizer

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