Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - PA Court Rules Mail In Voting UNCONSTITUTIONAL Sparking Electoral Chaos w-Tom Garrett

00:00:00.000 I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.

00:00:05.000 We got one heck of a story for y'all tonight, and I can't say that I'm surprised.

00:00:09.000 It's on a Friday.

00:00:11.000 A Pennsylvania statewide court has ruled the universal mail-in voting law that was pushed forward in 2019 is unconstitutional.

00:00:21.000 Exactly as several Republicans had claimed when they filed the lawsuit.

00:00:24.000 Now, the left is saying it's a party-line vote.

00:00:27.000 I mean, it was five judges.

00:00:28.000 It was three Republicans, two Democrats.

00:00:30.000 Of course, it was the Republicans who said that it was unconstitutional.

00:00:34.000 This is a complicated story.

00:00:35.000 Democrats and Republicans made a deal.

00:00:37.000 A deal that Republicans could not actually follow through on because the state constitution bars universal mail-in voting.

00:00:44.000 We know this because both the Democrats and the Republicans are now actively trying to amend the Constitution, even though they already passed an unconstitutional law.

00:00:54.000 This country is in some deep ish, if you know what I mean.

00:00:57.000 This story is absolutely off the wall insane.

00:01:00.000 So I don't think this means anything, to be honest, for 2020 other than it'll piss off Trump supporters.

00:01:05.000 But as for moving forward the midterms and potentially 2024, this could have a very serious impact because, well, we know the law is unconstitutional.

00:01:13.000 The Democrats and the Republicans are trying to amend the Constitution to make it legal.

00:01:19.000 But they're doing it anyway.

00:01:20.000 So if we have an election in November, if we have an election in 2024, after this ruling, it's going to be bonkers.

00:01:26.000 It's just going to be absolute chaos.

00:01:28.000 But we'll talk about that.

00:01:29.000 We've also got some other crazy stories.

00:01:31.000 We've got Barry Manilow.

00:01:33.000 Apparently there was a big rumor that he was pulling his music off Spotify over the Joe Rogan thing, and it was a lie.

00:01:37.000 Surprise, surprise, they're lying about everything.

00:01:39.000 We got a big story.

00:01:39.000 Apparently, Black Lives Matter, the official organization, is in shambles.

00:01:43.000 No one knows where the money is going, and some people are outright saying it's basically just a scam.

00:01:48.000 Because the address isn't even a real address.

00:01:51.000 But we'll get into all of that.

00:01:52.000 Joining us today is Tom Garrett.

00:01:54.000 How's it going, man?

00:01:55.000 Hey, man.

00:01:55.000 How are you?

00:01:56.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:02:00.000 I'm just a guy who grew up in rural Virginia who's had a neat life and got to do some cool stuff who's trying to change the world.

00:02:10.000 So boom, right?

00:02:13.000 But you've done—what's that cool stuff you've done?

00:02:15.000 So I served in the military and then got out, went to law school after I was in the military, and then served 10 years as a prosecutor, served in the Virginia Senate, served a term in Congress, but really got a passion for human rights, right?

00:02:28.000 That we live in a world where, if you're listening to this podcast, odds are you're very fortunate.

00:02:32.000 The odds of being born in this country are 1 in 26.

00:02:35.000 But while we speak, there are people who are being raped and murdered and tortured and displaced because of who they love, because of how they worship, because they choose not to worship, et cetera, et cetera.

00:02:46.000 And, you know, you go see this stuff firsthand, and then I sort of was like, what can I do about it?

00:02:51.000 And so that's why we're here.

00:02:54.000 It's interesting you say that because I think, you know, you were mentioning just before the show that identity politics is really, really dangerous for us, the wokeness, right?

00:03:01.000 Well, I mean, so, If you dissect everything into my hair color is this or my skin color is that, then you've lost the real essence of what's important, right?

00:03:12.000 And that's humanity itself.

00:03:14.000 And, you know, politicians and evil entities have used character traits to divide people for time immemorial.

00:03:21.000 And why do we continue to fall for that when we have more information than any generation in history at our fingertips?

00:03:26.000 But we do.

00:03:27.000 And that's identity politics.

00:03:28.000 And it causes violence and bloodshed and suffering and I'm over it.

00:03:33.000 One of the things that we're going to get into on the show today is that you're working on a documentary series and you were on the ground in Syria, I believe it was Syria, right?

00:03:41.000 And you're having trouble getting networks to pick it up because you're not too kind to China.

00:03:45.000 So yeah, I've been, it's fun with my passport.

00:03:48.000 I've spent the night in three of the seven official state sponsors of terrorism, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, and sort of trying to shine a light on man's new humanity, fellow man at exileseries.com, first of many egregious plugs.

00:04:02.000 And so we go to the networks and we show them this trailer, which is like really good.

00:04:07.000 Like I'm the weak link, the presenters, the weak link.

00:04:10.000 And that we love it.

00:04:10.000 It's great.

00:04:11.000 Can you do this series without talking bad about China?

00:04:13.000 And I'm like, we could do a Beatles doc without talking about John. 0.65

00:04:15.000 It would suck.

00:04:17.000 And that's crazy. 0.85

00:04:19.000 Let's get into that, because that's what you were saying, like, well, I don't want to spoil it, but these networks are refusing to do it.

00:04:25.000 And there's other issues, too.

00:04:26.000 So we'll definitely get into that.

00:04:27.000 We got Seamus sitting over here.

00:04:28.000 Good to be here.

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00:05:47.000 But now let's get into that first story, man.

00:05:50.000 From TimCast.com, Pennsylvania court strikes down mail-in voting law.

00:05:55.000 A U.S. 0.66

00:05:56.000 district court in Pennsylvania has ended an extension to mail-in voting provisions which drew criticism during the 2020 elections.

00:06:03.000 Let me try and give you the quick version of this, because boy is it a doozy.

00:06:08.000 In 2019, Republicans wanted to get rid of something called single, single, what's the word? 0.70

00:06:14.000 Now I can't even think of the phrase.

00:06:15.000 I'll put it this way.

00:06:16.000 Republicans didn't like the fact that in Pennsylvania, you could go in, press one button, and vote for all Democrats.

00:06:21.000 So they said to the Democrats, get rid of that.

00:06:23.000 They said, okay, we'll get rid of that if you give us universal mail-in voting.

00:06:26.000 The Republicans said, we can't.

00:06:27.000 It violates the Constitution.

00:06:29.000 And they said, well, we'll do it anyway.

00:06:31.000 We'll amend the Constitution.

00:06:33.000 Give us universal mail-in voting.

00:06:34.000 The Republicans said, we agree.

00:06:37.000 99% in the House, 98% in the Pennsylvania Senate of all of the members agreed on this and passed a law in violation of the state Constitution.

00:06:49.000 In comes the primary elections, in comes Congress and the presidential elections, and some Republicans take notice.

00:06:54.000 Hey, wait a minute.

00:06:55.000 How did they pass universal mail-in voting when it's actually in violation of the state's constitution?

00:07:00.000 The state constitution outright says absentee voting is for these specific reasons.

00:07:05.000 But what Republicans and Democrats had worked a deal on was universal mail-in voting.

00:07:10.000 So they went to sue and the judge said, you guys wait until after the primary and after your guy lost to try and challenge this law.

00:07:20.000 You could have, you could have challenged this beforehand.

00:07:22.000 And there's an interesting point to be made there, but I don't think it matters.

00:07:25.000 I think the problem is the Democrats got swindled.

00:07:27.000 The Republicans agreed to a deal.

00:07:28.000 They never had the right to.

00:07:31.000 Promise the Democrats in the first place.

00:07:33.000 So now here we are.

00:07:34.000 It is a year and a half or so, a year and a few months later, and now a state court has said, yes, the Constitution outright says, here are the specific reasons for absentee ballots.

00:07:44.000 You cannot pass this law.

00:07:45.000 Here's the kicker.

00:07:47.000 Democrats, Republicans alike have agreed on a bill to amend the Constitution to make universal mail-in voting constitutional.

00:07:56.000 It would require two back-to-back sessions where they approve this.

00:08:00.000 That's not possible to do in one legislative session.

00:08:04.000 So what they decided, I guess, was we'll approve the amendment, which won't go into effect until a second legislative hearing and a referendum from the public.

00:08:13.000 And then we'll just pass universal mail-in voting anyway.

00:08:16.000 Surprisingly, I believe it was 11 of the Republicans who actually voted on that law for universal mail-in voting were involved in the lawsuit saying it was unconstitutional. 0.95

00:08:26.000 So I gotta say, the Republicans are kind of dicks in this moment, but I don't think that matters. 0.95

00:08:31.000 We can smack-tuck the Republicans all day and night. 0.99

00:08:33.000 The law's unconstitutional.

00:08:35.000 Now here's where it gets crazy.

00:08:36.000 The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania is, I believe, five judges, three Democrats, two Republicans, and so it is widely believed that the Democratic Supreme Court in Pennsylvania is going to just say, nope, it's constitutional regardless of what the Constitution says, and if they do, you're going to have a law on the books, as you do now, which says you don't need an excuse for mail-in voting, and a Constitution that says you can only have mail-in voting for these reasons.

00:09:01.000 Ladies and gentlemen, this country's imploding.

00:09:03.000 Anyway, guys, how are you doing?

00:09:04.000 So what's that like eighth grade civics, right?

00:09:07.000 The rule of the courts are to interpret the laws, not to make them.

00:09:10.000 Yeah.

00:09:10.000 And and it is the judicial activism is the end of checks and balances.

00:09:15.000 So yeah, it's a Friday.

00:09:17.000 Hey, man, I'd rather like what I say before we went on air worst country in the world, except for all the others.

00:09:21.000 Yeah.

00:09:22.000 What do you do if the judicial system has become political?

00:09:26.000 Except that you are being ruled by appointed judges.

00:09:29.000 I mean, there's got to be some sort of constitutional recourse to pull him out of office, I would imagine.

00:09:35.000 Only if the legislative branch asserts itself, which it hasn't been willing to do for the last 100 years anyway, right?

00:09:39.000 I mean, we promulgate 28 pages of regulation for every one page of laws we pass, but they can take your liberty or your property for violation of a regulation.

00:09:48.000 Therefore, it is tantamount to a law.

00:09:50.000 That means that they've abdicated their responsibility to legislate, right?

00:09:53.000 And why?

00:09:54.000 because it's more important to get reelected than it is to do, the axiom is there's two types

00:09:59.000 of people in politics, those who wanna be somebody and those who wanna do something,

00:10:02.000 and tragically, the be somebody's out number that do something's like 10 to one.

00:10:06.000 And tragically, pardon me, as a Liberty Union guy, the vast bulk of the do something's aren't on the right.

00:10:12.000 I think. It's true.

00:10:13.000 I think the simple way to put it is the system is falling apart.

00:10:16.000 It's quite simple.

00:10:18.000 If a judge on party lines can say, we don't care whether this is constitutional or not, you can't do this this late, right?

00:10:26.000 So initially, they told the Republicans who filed the lawsuit over it, well, it's too bad you guys did it.

00:10:31.000 They were treating the individuals in the lawsuit as a party and not as individuals.

00:10:35.000 That's the first problem.

00:10:36.000 The judge should not say, Your guy lost and now you're suing.

00:10:41.000 So like, my response would be like, my guy?

00:10:44.000 Look, that's somebody else.

00:10:44.000 It has nothing to do with my election.

00:10:47.000 In fact, one of the guys suing I think actually won his election.

00:10:50.000 So the judge first comes out the gate.

00:10:51.000 The judges, in general, are just like, we're partisans and we know it.

00:10:55.000 Now it goes to the next state court, and on the merits, they say, yo, the Constitution of Pennsylvania, there's a section on absentee voting, it says, here are the specific reasons you can have an absentee vote.

00:11:05.000 It's like you're out of town on business, you're in the military, you're medically indisposed or whatever, but no excuse, universal mail-in voting, not allowed.

00:11:15.000 So the court says, OK, you can't do it.

00:11:16.000 Now the Democrats are coming out saying, we don't care.

00:11:18.000 We're going to do it anyway.

00:11:19.000 This is going to go to the state Supreme Court.

00:11:21.000 And if they, on party lines, uphold the law and say the law is allowed regardless of the Constitution, you have a court saying the Constitution doesn't matter at all.

00:11:30.000 We're gonna do whatever we want on party lines.

00:11:32.000 They've already used a party line vote in the first place.

00:11:34.000 Republicans are the ones who made a bad deal, you know?

00:11:37.000 They swindled the Democrats in the first place.

00:11:38.000 But this means that a judge can enact a law which favors Democrats, which will then result in your legislators who pass the laws being basically put in place by broken laws.

00:11:50.000 The system is a hodgepodge of duct tape and bubblegum jammed together to hold stuff together, and we're all looking at it, and I gotta be honest, It doesn't make sense.

00:11:59.000 If this is if this if this moves forward with Democrats in the Supreme Court being in the state Supreme Court, not the federal saying, no, we're going to let this law stand.

00:12:06.000 I'm just like, yo, you guys don't have representative government anymore.

00:12:09.000 You have appointed judges who uphold unconstitutional rules to allow their buddies to get reelected.

00:12:15.000 No one's no one's voting.

00:12:17.000 Like, what's the point at that point?

00:12:19.000 Well, I guess a point could be that you might have a bout of corruption and then after that it gets back to normal and they're no longer corrupt.

00:12:27.000 So just because one time there's a bunch of corruption doesn't mean that it's ruined forever.

00:12:31.000 Keep that in mind.

00:12:34.000 I don't know, man.

00:12:35.000 Power never voluntarily relinquishes itself.

00:12:38.000 Power does not relinquish itself.

00:12:40.000 I think in like these judges are, they're human, so like they're morally shattered.

00:12:43.000 If you get demoralized, shattered, mentally shattered judges, like you're gonna see also is a weird behavior.

00:12:50.000 The problem is the judges and the legislators are viewing every single person as a member of a tribe.

00:12:57.000 Big problem.

00:12:58.000 The judge initially outright when the lawsuit happened should have said, Is it constitutional or not?

00:13:03.000 Instead, they said, who is the person who's filing the suit?

00:13:06.000 Ah, a Republican.

00:13:07.000 Well, you're only trying to get points for the Republicans, and I'm not, so I say no to you.

00:13:12.000 Okay, well, that's not law.

00:13:14.000 That's just tribalism.

00:13:15.000 Look, man, I've been telling people, we are in some kind of civil war.

00:13:19.000 When a judge issues a ruling and explicitly states, your guy already lost, so you're doing this for that reason, it's like, that judge is not ruling on the merits.

00:13:27.000 He's ruling on the tribe.

00:13:28.000 He's telling one tribe, you are not allowed! 0.98

00:13:31.000 Okay.

00:13:32.000 So what happens next?

00:13:33.000 I mean, now you have the Democrats saying this court is Republican.

00:13:37.000 So they're saying the exact same thing.

00:13:39.000 Republicans are right.

00:13:40.000 Our tribe wins.

00:13:41.000 The next court's going to be Democrat. 0.87

00:13:42.000 Democrat wins.

00:13:43.000 There is no, no judicial system at that point.

00:13:47.000 So welcome to America.

00:13:48.000 It's 2022.

00:13:48.000 How are you guys doing?

00:13:49.000 Well, as far as I'm concerned, this is just more undermining of more institutions.

00:13:53.000 And from what I saw in 2020, there is no low that we can possibly reach that will not turn something partisan.

00:14:00.000 Like the judicial system is not intended to be partisan in any way, but they're turning it into that, which is going to be a huge problem down the road.

00:14:06.000 And maybe they don't see that as being the case because they're very short-sighted, but if you can use it against the other party, they can obviously use it against you.

00:14:13.000 And yet, if there is an institution, a foundational institution, that has demonstrated that it seems to work, still, it's the judiciary, usually, right?

00:14:22.000 We got the Rittenhouse verdict followed by the Aubrey verdict, right?

00:14:26.000 And I was just watching both of them going, okay, they murdered that dude, and this kid, like, watched the video, like, I was impressed with his fire discipline, candidly.

00:14:35.000 Well, what dude got murdered?

00:14:37.000 I'm gonna get triggered.

00:14:38.000 Oh, you're gonna trigger Tim?

00:14:38.000 You're gonna trigger me.

00:14:40.000 The guy jogging in Georgia... He wasn't jogging.

00:14:42.000 ...might not have been kicking through the houses.

00:14:45.000 Yeah, he was a burglary suspect. 0.90

00:14:47.000 You shot him!

00:14:48.000 The prosecutor called him a burglary suspect.

00:14:50.000 The only reason the McMichaels got convicted was because the judge gave the instruction to the jury that unless they had witnessed the potential crime taking place, they had no right to try and confront him.

00:15:00.000 And deadly force is never authorized for the protection of property.

00:15:03.000 Except, Ahmed Arbery grabbed the shotgun from the McMichael and fought him for it, which is dual possession, which resulted in him getting shot.

00:15:09.000 Which is a good argument.

00:15:11.000 And then they put the guy who filmed it in prison for life.

00:15:14.000 Now, from that point, you need to start, the whole Ahmed Arbery question is, why is the guy who filmed it going to prison for life?

00:15:20.000 You start to unravel the thread from there and you realize the whole thing is a travesty of justice.

00:15:25.000 Wow.

00:15:26.000 Dude, I'm so excited to be on this podcast.

00:15:29.000 I think I was going to get smoked in the first 15 minutes.

00:15:32.000 Well, it's nothing.

00:15:33.000 I'm not saying that personally.

00:15:34.000 But you get my point.

00:15:35.000 At least as the facts were distilled for me, I thought that the judiciary had gotten it right.

00:15:40.000 What their job is, is to call balls and strikes.

00:15:43.000 And that kind of is politically dangerous because of the tribalism that you make reference to, but kind of the way I try to do it.

00:15:52.000 You know, when my guy was in the White House and I was in Congress, I had a duty to say when I thought my guy was wrong.

00:15:57.000 Well, so the Ahmaud Arbery thing is actually a really great point to what we're talking about here.

00:16:01.000 And it's why I think, in many ways, the Republicans are losing and probably will lose.

00:16:06.000 But I do think there's a great potential for national populist Republican types, people who believe in America.

00:16:14.000 We have a big problem with corporatists, crony, conservatives, who are just rhinos, I guess.

00:16:19.000 They call them Republicans in name only.

00:16:21.000 The issue is, when it comes to a story like Ahmaud Arbery, Fox News is more than happy to come out and just praise the ruling without looking at the facts because they want to earn some points from the mainstream media.

00:16:34.000 It is said that there are many Republicans who care more about the opinion of the New York Times than their own constituents.

00:16:39.000 That is why I think the Republican establishment is being gutted and ripped apart.

00:16:43.000 The Ahmaud Arbery case being another example of this where many Republicans came out and were like,

00:16:47.000 see, this was a good ruling.

00:16:48.000 And then we actually had a self-defense expert, Andrew Branca, as well as some other lawyers come on

00:16:53.000 and break down the case.

00:16:54.000 And we were like, oh wow, that absolutely is not true.

00:16:56.000 But why were so many conservatives willing to come out and defend that ruling?

00:17:01.000 Well, I think it's because people on the right are, and many of them, they care more about the opinion,

00:17:07.000 Not just the Republicans, but individuals care more about the opinion of the New York

00:17:10.000 Times than their own constituents.

00:17:12.000 So you'll end up very often with Republicans being, you know, demure and backing down, where Democrats go for the ultimate win.

00:17:19.000 Sure, right.

00:17:19.000 What happens is Republicans take control and hold the line and Democrats take control and push the football.

00:17:24.000 Absolutely.

00:17:25.000 And you know, it's hard to lose ground on the offensive.

00:17:29.000 Well, I want to give a good example to people because one of the narratives from the left and Democrats is that Republicans don't play by the rules, that Republicans are steamrolling and getting whatever they want and Democrats won't fight back.

00:17:41.000 Democrats repeatedly call for gun control.

00:17:43.000 Republicans repeatedly call for not gun control.

00:17:46.000 We continually get gun control laws.

00:17:48.000 Where are the Republicans to call for repealing gun control?

00:17:52.000 You see, Democrats say, we want to ban these particular weapons.

00:17:55.000 The left then says, no one is coming for your guns.

00:17:58.000 Waco disproves that.

00:17:59.000 Then you get Republicans saying, we've already banned a bunch of guns.

00:18:02.000 We'll stop here.

00:18:03.000 No, no, no, Republicans.

00:18:05.000 How about you act like Lauren Boebert or Marjorie Taylor Greene and repeal the NFA, abolish the ATF, and start passing laws to repeal unconstitutional gun bans?

00:18:12.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:18:14.000 The contrast is astounding because you're absolutely correct that there are a lot of Republicans who care more about what the New York Times says than their constituents.

00:18:20.000 It's also the case that there are many Republicans in general among the constituency who care about what the New York Times says more than any Democrat cares about what Fox News says.

00:18:29.000 The left doesn't consume media that's generally catered towards right-wing markets and shape their thinking based on that or determine which opinions they're going to be comfortable voicing in the workplace based on that.

00:18:40.000 Yeah, you know, I'm still fairly optimistic though because the uniparty establishment is struggling.

00:18:47.000 Well said, right?

00:18:48.000 I mean, so we've had one president who was elected without a party affiliation, and we're talking, I think, off-air again.

00:18:55.000 I loathe political parties.

00:18:56.000 Yeah.

00:18:57.000 And there are lots of people in Washington who I won't name because I'd like to make a living, who are in the party they're in because they analyzed the district or the state where they were running and said, this is the party I need to be in, right?

00:19:09.000 They're amorphous.

00:19:12.000 And that's exactly who will destroy this great thing that's been bequeathed to us, this republic.

00:19:17.000 So, if you won't divert from your party, then you shouldn't be elected, period.

00:19:23.000 Right?

00:19:24.000 Number one.

00:19:24.000 And number two, if you'll ever take a vote to get re-elected, then you should never be elected to begin with.

00:19:31.000 This got me in so much trouble in Washington.

00:19:34.000 I carried the Obamacare repeal.

00:19:36.000 And I was told by leadership, dude, you can't carry the Obamacare appeal.

00:19:39.000 And I'm like, you mean the one that you and everybody else with an R beside their name voted for last year?

00:19:43.000 And they're like, yeah, because now we have both houses in the White House.

00:19:47.000 So you, oh wait, hang on, I can't carry it because it might pass?

00:19:50.000 Yes!

00:19:50.000 And I'm like, oh yeah.

00:19:52.000 So this was kabuki theater to placate a base that they think, that they look down their noses at and think is ignorant.

00:19:58.000 And then when we have the ability to get it done, then they go, you can't do that.

00:20:02.000 Why not?

00:20:02.000 Because what then?

00:20:05.000 And the first day I was in the State Senate, I cannot remember the issue, but the majority leader's like, well, what do we do about this?

00:20:12.000 And I said, new guy, what about this?

00:20:15.000 And he goes, they'll say we're racist.

00:20:17.000 And I said, dude, they're already saying we're racist!

00:20:19.000 What if we just do the right thing and trust that African Americans and Caucasian Americans and all Americans will go, son of a gun, those guys did the right thing! 0.98

00:20:27.000 You guys are amazing, because I've read the crap they say about you, and that's what happens to Republicans. 0.97

00:20:31.000 what people said, but it never was able to change sort of what I was going to do. 0.93

00:20:38.000 You guys are amazing, because I've read the crap they say about you, and that's what happens 0.98

00:20:42.000 to Republicans. 0.98

00:20:43.000 They get cowed into sort of submitting.

00:20:45.000 Well that's the point I was making about the Ahmaud Arbery thing.

00:20:49.000 You could say on the question of the laws, as the judge ordered the jury, they made the right call.

00:20:55.000 But when you actually break it down and look at the full story, I mean, a gun had been stolen from a car.

00:21:00.000 A gun had been stolen.

00:21:01.000 And there had been a string of robberies.

00:21:04.000 The neighbors were scared.

00:21:05.000 They were setting up cameras everywhere.

00:21:07.000 The police went door to door and said, here's a picture of the guy we're looking for.

00:21:10.000 Someone sees the guy running down the street.

00:21:12.000 Surveillance footage caught him in the building the night before.

00:21:15.000 And the guys are like, let's stop him and get the cops.

00:21:17.000 So they call the police, but the police said, don't pursue.

00:21:20.000 They pursued anyway.

00:21:21.000 Dude, they flanked him to the front.

00:21:23.000 He runs after him.

00:21:25.000 Guy drives behind him filming.

00:21:26.000 He goes to the right around the truck and then grabs one of the McMichaels shotgun.

00:21:31.000 They fight for it.

00:21:32.000 It goes off.

00:21:33.000 He gets shot in the chest.

00:21:33.000 He dies.

00:21:35.000 Now we're in the case where the narrative from the left was he was just jogging.

00:21:38.000 He was just jogging, what, like 20 miles from his own house?

00:21:41.000 No, no, no, but why did the McMichaels grab a gun and go after him?

00:21:44.000 Well, because a gun had been stolen.

00:21:45.000 And I'm not saying it was the right thing, but the judge basically said, if the law is to be read that you need to witness the crime, then they stopped him illegally, which is a felony.

00:21:55.000 And because he died in the struggle, it's felony murder.

00:21:58.000 Yeah, right.

00:21:59.000 The felony would be... I think false imprisonment.

00:22:02.000 False imprisonment.

00:22:02.000 Kidnapping, essentially.

00:22:03.000 But the law actually states you have a right to stop someone if you suspect a felony.

00:22:08.000 Well, here's the story to me, right, as a guy who just got sort of schooled on this.

00:22:12.000 The story to me is that I consider myself to be marginally well-read and half the stuff you said I'd never heard.

00:22:16.000 That's wild. Right. I mean, you see where I'm going with this, Tim, right? Like,

00:22:21.000 shout out to legal insurrection.com and law of self-defense and your bracket because they actually

00:22:25.000 trained trained on self-defense on self-defense law and the and circumstances under we've had a

00:22:30.000 long phone call in the snow on the way up here about the students like, well, if I shoot the

00:22:34.000 intruder with number four versus double a buck and I'm like, it doesn't matter. You shot it's

00:22:38.000 deadly force anyway. So we don't overthink this. We've talked a lot about that too. But, but,

00:22:42.000 you know, back to the main point, it's that these Republicans, the ones you mentioned that they're

00:22:46.000 like, oh, we can't actually repeal Obamacare because then we have no, I guess, no, what,

00:22:51.000 They took like three or four votes where they all voted for it and then I had to do a discharge petition which is where you try to get a number of members to sign a bill to get a vote on it on the floor because the speaker won't bring it who was a Republican and I got like 26 signatures on the discharge petition.

00:23:06.000 People wouldn't even sign the document to let it come to a vote because they didn't want to be held accountable and I'm like like it took me less than 24 hours to go this place is broken beyond my ability to repair it.

00:23:19.000 This is why I went back to the Ahmaud Arbery thing.

00:23:21.000 The Fox News personalities and the conservatives who are unwilling to actually look into it and call it out because they're scared of being called racist or whatever.

00:23:29.000 Yo, I got called racist when I said all of that stuff, and I'm like, I literally don't care that you call me that.

00:23:34.000 That word has zero meaning to me or anybody else at this point.

00:23:39.000 What's worse that you could call somebody in 2022?

00:23:42.000 I don't think you'd call him anything to be honest.

00:23:44.000 But again, that's the point though.

00:23:46.000 So I did a radio show for a while and the last few segments were more or less on philosophy.

00:23:53.000 And the rhetorical question was, if you could choose between freedom and truth,

00:23:56.000 which would you choose?

00:23:57.000 And my answer is you always choose truth because truth will beget freedom.

00:24:01.000 Exactly.

00:24:02.000 And the truth is freaking dead.

00:24:05.000 They get to define truth, right?

00:24:08.000 And that's ExileSeries.com.

00:24:10.000 Again, shameless plug. 0.86

00:24:12.000 People know what's going on.

00:24:13.000 People demand it's done differently.

00:24:18.000 Republican saying, we can't pass that.

00:24:21.000 They would call us racist.

00:24:23.000 That was a different, that was something that they said.

00:24:24.000 I can't even remember what it was, but I remember the majority leader going there.

00:24:27.000 Well, they're going to say such and such.

00:24:28.000 And I'm like, Yeah, they're saying worse than that, dude.

00:24:33.000 But that come on that that, you know, I hear you saying that that was during the state Senate, but I have to imagine that that's that's everywhere for Republicans.

00:24:40.000 So when some seriousness of African American woman elected lieutenant governor of Virginia, and there was a story in a legitimate media outlet about how that proved how racist Republicans were, like the mental gymnastics you have to do to get to that point. 0.97

00:24:53.000 I feel that it requires a level of spiritual toughness to navigate criticism like this in the internet age, the comments and the news articles.

00:25:01.000 These people can't do it, obviously.

00:25:03.000 They tried and failed.

00:25:04.000 They're older.

00:25:05.000 They're not used to the internet like some young people are.

00:25:09.000 I see them as a vulnerability, having individuals there that can get their morale shattered or smashed by the news media.

00:25:15.000 So what do you think about just eradicating the concept of a bunch of people going to the Capitol building to vote 700 and dispersing the workload to the American people?

00:25:28.000 So you're talking about an actual democracy, a direct democracy?

00:25:30.000 Or a republic that, like, we create, like, a smart contract that our 700,000 people can vote to decide if that contract's going to toggle yes or no for certain things.

00:25:39.000 So we still have some sort of representative... So it still requires that more people listen to Tim Pool's podcast?

00:25:44.000 I mean, what I mean by that is... I'm serious, though, but without truth, without a competently informed, intelligent, discerning electorate, you're still going to get bad policy.

00:25:55.000 I disagree with Ian on this one, but it is a really interesting thought.

00:25:59.000 The idea is, instead of doing a direct democracy, you do a direct republic.

00:26:03.000 You still have districts, you still have electoral college, but instead of having a representative, it breaks down like an electoral vote within the state.

00:26:10.000 So it doesn't matter if you have 750,000 people in one area and you have 500,000 in another, it's still weighted, you know what I mean?

00:26:18.000 Well, yeah, so you should get your Senate, the effect thereof. 0.94

00:26:22.000 But it's hybridized.

00:26:23.000 I don't agree with it.

00:26:24.000 You know, I personally think it's good to have reps there in person doing their jobs.

00:26:29.000 But I do think it's an interesting idea.

00:26:31.000 And I do think that, you know, as technology changes and times change, we do need to be addressing how this is going to affect legislation.

00:26:38.000 So if this is like, you want to fix D.C.

00:26:43.000 term limits for staffers.

00:26:45.000 Oh, yeah, right not because the elected there is a bidding war when an influential member retires over their chief of staff and That guy I mean I grew up in the same neighborhood as a young man a young man He's older than me who was who'd been chief of staff for four or five members great guy like not disparaging him personally But he had a floor pass, right?

00:27:02.000 I mean like this guy's on the floor of the house more influential by far than a lot of people who've stood for election by 800,000 of their constituents So, term limits for staffers.

00:27:10.000 Once you hit GS 15 in an agency or what have you, you can be there this long and you gotta move.

00:27:15.000 Because that's where the secret power is.

00:27:16.000 And the second thing is, instead of allowing party leadership, because again, political parties are the poison that will destroy the mix, to determine committee assignments, let people draw lots for committee assignments.

00:27:27.000 Maybe you get, you know, if there's 15 committees, Maybe you get 15 sheets of paper to put in one bucket and 14 and 13 and 12 Because that's how they bribe you if you want to be on this committee Ian Seamus then you have to promise to vote for the farm bill or not vote for marijuana reform or what have you and so In giving the leadership in both the majority and minority the power to appoint committees to provide committee assignments You've just given them the ability to blackmail every single member

00:27:57.000 What if you promise it and then don't follow through with your promise?

00:28:00.000 Then you're done.

00:28:01.000 Like they just won't work with you?

00:28:02.000 They'll all ignore you in Congress?

00:28:04.000 There's always retribution for any time that you betray the hierarchy.

00:28:09.000 It's invisible or it's visible.

00:28:11.000 What would you think... Because if they didn't make you pay... Everyone would disobey, yeah.

00:28:15.000 What would you think about removing party affiliation from ballots?

00:28:22.000 I don't have a problem with it.

00:28:24.000 Again, I ran as a Republican because it more closely jibed with my value set, but my value set is classical liberalism.

00:28:30.000 Right?

00:28:30.000 Right.

00:28:31.000 I was listening to a podcast that you were in.

00:28:33.000 You were talking to somebody about masking and isolating in order to preserve the most vulnerable.

00:28:40.000 And my immediate knee-jerk was, what is the responsibility to protect the most vulnerable?

00:28:45.000 And my immediate knee-jerk was, what's the responsibility of the most vulnerable to protect themselves?

00:28:49.000 Yeah.

00:28:49.000 Right.

00:28:49.000 Amen.

00:28:50.000 And I'm not saying like being considered your grandma.

00:28:52.000 In fact, you should be really consider your grandma.

00:28:54.000 But grandma's primary responsibility is grandma, right?

00:28:58.000 Government starts as the pinpoint center of a circle and radiates outward from there.

00:29:02.000 So the essence of government is you, then your family, then your neighbors, then Yeah, yeah.

00:29:09.000 The reason I bring up the party affiliation thing is that people will go into the ballot and they'll just be Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat.

00:29:14.000 They don't know who they're voting for.

00:29:15.000 We're Republican, Republican, Republican. 0.99

00:29:16.000 It's ignorant on both ends. 0.82

00:29:17.000 So imagine what would happen if people just go in and there's no party affiliation to vote for. 0.92

00:29:21.000 It's just names.

00:29:22.000 We've talked about this before and one response is people would just vote for whoever's on the top of the list.

00:29:26.000 And then everyone would fight.

00:29:28.000 People would change their name to like Aaron Aardvark.

00:29:30.000 Yeah, well, or people would just vote for somebody if their name sounded like they were from the same ethnic background or something like that.

00:29:35.000 Like, oh, that's an Irish name, or, oh, that's an Asian name, or whatever it is.

00:29:38.000 Or someone would change their name to Charizard, and a bunch of people would vote.

00:29:41.000 Guy's gonna change his name to Crash Lightning, and everyone would be like, oh, I'm voting for Crash.

00:29:45.000 I'm voting for Deez Nuts.

00:29:46.000 Deez Nuts did pretty well.

00:29:48.000 No, no, no, Deez Nuts actually did well on a ballot.

00:29:51.000 Someone, like, put it on the ballot.

00:29:53.000 I'm not surprised.

00:29:53.000 It was like a middle school kid, and he pulled it off.

00:29:55.000 Was it?

00:29:56.000 Wow.

00:29:57.000 But so there was a story in I think it was New Hampshire of a trans anarchist satanist who ran as a Republican in the primary for sheriff and ended up winning.

00:30:07.000 What?

00:30:08.000 But I think it was like a Democrat sheriff ended up winning or something like that.

00:30:12.000 But a bunch of Republicans freaked out like, I voted for this person?

00:30:15.000 It's like, what?

00:30:15.000 Well, yeah, you checked the box.

00:30:17.000 Joke's on you, dummy.

00:30:18.000 Don't blame the person you voted for.

00:30:19.000 If you voted for voting records, so you didn't know the name of the person, you didn't know what party it was, but you just got to see all like, or a bio.

00:30:26.000 You voted for a bio or something.

00:30:28.000 Yeah, right.

00:30:28.000 Then the devil becomes who writes the bio.

00:30:30.000 I mean, I've checked my own Wikipedia page.

00:30:32.000 Exactly.

00:30:34.000 Under oath.

00:30:34.000 Those are like under oath bios, like legal, verified.

00:30:38.000 And if you lie on your bio there, you go to prison kind of thing.

00:30:41.000 I think we should let the same people who drafted the PolitiFact do the numbering.

00:30:45.000 Voting for a name or a party is so insane.

00:30:48.000 Look at what the media does, how they frame things to make them negative.

00:30:52.000 It'll be like, Ian will run into a burning building to save a bunch of puppies who are trapped on the top floor.

00:30:58.000 They'll show a picture of Ian standing in the fire holding the puppies, and it'll be like, crazed man holds puppies above flame.

00:31:04.000 And you're like, well that's technically true, but he was escaping the fire through the window.

00:31:08.000 They'll just frame it however they want.

00:31:09.000 So you get, you know, who's gonna write the bio?

00:31:11.000 Who's gonna, who's gonna write about the people?

00:31:13.000 Um, it's just like during, one of my favorite examples of that occurred during the Rittenhouse case when I believe it was Groyskritts took the stand and what they were reporting on it, I can't remember which outlet it was, but he had brought a gun of his own to try to protect himself from Rittenhouse, even though what he had testified on the stand was that he pulled a gun on Kyle before getting shot.

00:31:32.000 Yeah, and he lied, and MSNBC, they were like, he testified that Rittenhouse pulled the weapon on him, and then it was like, actually, he testified he pulled the gun on Rittenhouse, and then Rittenhouse pointed the weapon, so it's just like, the media just chooses to say whatever they want, because I don't think it's necessarily Times v. Sullivan that gives them this power.

00:31:50.000 The fact is, lawsuits are very hard.

00:31:54.000 And they take forever.

00:31:56.000 And so, look at it this way.

00:31:59.000 They say often for a lot of cops, process is the punishment.

00:32:03.000 New York City is notorious for this.

00:32:05.000 The cops know they can illegally arrest you, but nothing will ever be done about it, so there's nothing to worry about.

00:32:11.000 So a good example is there was a photographer in New York by the name of Alex Arbuckle.

00:32:17.000 He was standing on the sidewalk taking pictures of cops during an Occupy protest.

00:32:20.000 He actually had gone down there to document it from the police's side of things because he felt the media was only covering the protest perspective.

00:32:26.000 The police arrested him, filed a false police report, and claimed that he was obstructing

00:32:31.000 a roadway.

00:32:32.000 The officer who actually arrested him wasn't the officer who claimed to have arrested him

00:32:36.000 and who had signed the arrest report, and the officer who wrote the, who signed the

00:32:40.000 arrest report wrote a fake account of what happened.

00:32:42.000 Fortunately, I had been filming, and the National Lawyers Guild, I'm not big fans of them, but

00:32:47.000 they got a hold of the footage, which proved the police lied.

00:32:50.000 The police officer went on the stand and lied under oath.

00:32:53.000 Not a single bad thing happened to any of these officers.

00:32:56.000 But the cops know, if you're in their way, they can arrest you and you will go to jail, even if for only a day, because that is the punishment for defying them.

00:33:05.000 They know it can destroy your life.

00:33:06.000 They know you can get fired from your job if you can't show up.

00:33:09.000 If they arrest you on a weekend when you're protesting, you're there till Monday, they know.

00:33:13.000 So this is a huge problem we have when lawsuits in this country move much too slowly.

00:33:19.000 So, someone lies about you and, you know, says, like, Ian, you know, you kicked my dog.

00:33:23.000 Okay, go ahead and sue him. 0.93

00:33:25.000 The story's out.

00:33:26.000 It will perpetuate.

00:33:28.000 So, let's say there's a news website called, like, The Daily Monster.

00:33:33.000 The Daily Monster.

00:33:34.000 And they write a hit piece about you claiming that you stole someone's cat.

00:33:38.000 And it's completely made up.

00:33:39.000 Can you imagine?

00:33:40.000 The most made up and insane story.

00:33:42.000 And, you know, so you're like, OK, maybe I should sue for defamation over this.

00:33:46.000 First, you've got to prove damages.

00:33:48.000 What were the real damages caused by this?

00:33:49.000 Well, what they've done to Project Veritas is they've said, his reputation is so destroyed, you can't make his reputation any worse.

00:33:59.000 Thus, we're now allowed to lie and say whatever we want.

00:34:01.000 The court rejected that idea.

00:34:03.000 But they destroy your character so much Eventually, you won't be able to fundraise, you won't be able to start a business, you won't be able to get business partners, people will be terrified of you.

00:34:14.000 So you say, I need to sue over these lies.

00:34:16.000 The first thing that happens is the court says, Times v. Sullivan, Ian, you're a public figure, did they know they were lying, or did their standard in this procedure violate their typical standards, is my general understanding for Times v. Sullivan.

00:34:29.000 Let's say you get past all of that.

00:34:31.000 You gotta get to actual malice, too, right?

00:34:33.000 So their defense is, well, we didn't know, therefore they win.

00:34:36.000 Exactly.

00:34:37.000 That's Times v. Sullivan.

00:34:38.000 As a public figure, it's proving they knew they were lying or that what they did in this instance violated their typical standards for research.

00:34:47.000 So if you can get past that, Bro, it's going to take you a million dollars in a year.

00:34:52.000 And then, if you can't prove you lost money because of it, they're going to ask you, what are the damages?

00:34:58.000 And you can say, reputational.

00:34:59.000 My reputation is my business.

00:35:00.000 And they can say, prove it.

00:35:02.000 You lose.

00:35:03.000 So it's not just Times V Sullivan.

00:35:05.000 It's that the media can lie with impunity and nothing can be done about it.

00:35:09.000 Nothing.

00:35:10.000 And they do it all day.

00:35:11.000 They do it every day.

00:35:12.000 They did it, you know, seven days a week and twice on Sunday when it came to Donald Trump.

00:35:17.000 And what do you do?

00:35:18.000 So like, if I make a lie like that, am I, do I have protections or do I need to start a company called like Aardvark News and then just a website Aardvark News and then lie about you under Aardvark News and then I, then I have protection because I made a website called Aardvark News.

00:35:34.000 All that matters is you can defend yourself from a lawsuit.

00:35:39.000 So when CNN or these big companies, New York Times, have billions of dollars, they will drop an anvil on you, metaphorically.

00:35:47.000 So I hope you're ready to defend yourself.

00:35:50.000 Can you do the same back?

00:35:52.000 Probably not.

00:35:53.000 So Project Veritas has Veritas Legal where they're That's a problem, it's this attrition, the war of attrition when you are planning on losing anyway, you just want to drain the resources of the other person and you know you have way more resources, so you can just wait them out.

00:35:53.000 Probably not.

00:36:08.000 And you may still lose, but they're gonna, like a Pyrrhic victory, they might win on paper, but because the percentage of their army has been decimated, they've basically lost.

00:36:16.000 Have you guys ever played poker?

00:36:18.000 Oh yeah.

00:36:18.000 Hold'em?

00:36:19.000 Yeah, if you know Hold'em, if you've got the stack, You can pressure your opponent endlessly and force them out.

00:36:27.000 That's exactly how it is in the real world.

00:36:29.000 You put them all in, every hand.

00:36:30.000 Every hand.

00:36:31.000 Say, you've got to risk everything you have right now.

00:36:33.000 And I don't.

00:36:34.000 And I can do it again, seven times.

00:36:37.000 And they're putting in the blinds, and eventually they're getting eaten away at, and they've got to take that risk, and then they take the wrong risk, and they're out.

00:36:42.000 But you can also win in those situations, and man, does it feel good to take someone's stack.

00:36:46.000 It does, it does, but if you're the last two in a game of Hold'em, and you've got a smaller stack to the guy's bigger stack, you know it.

00:36:52.000 And the blinds are going up.

00:36:53.000 Yeah, eventually a blind is going to be your entire, just a play, you're going to have to bet everything.

00:36:58.000 Yeah.

00:36:59.000 So this is the challenge.

00:37:00.000 Hatchet Harry's going to take your dad's bar.

00:37:02.000 That's right.

00:37:03.000 You're going to have to throw your wedding ring into the middle of the thing, and then the deed to your house. 1.00

00:37:07.000 Well, I have gems.

00:37:09.000 But that's the big challenge.

00:37:10.000 As long as the media can just lie and say whatever they want, we stop all this by not caring what the media says.

00:37:16.000 I don't know.

00:37:16.000 I also think we need to change the laws.

00:37:18.000 It used to be that there was some, you know, responsibility in NBC, CBS, and ABC.

00:37:22.000 That was it, New York Times.

00:37:23.000 Now it's Joey Maccaroli.

00:37:26.000 Sorry, Joey, if you're out there, I was just making up a name.

00:37:29.000 Joey Racamoli at Aardvark News.

00:37:32.000 Yeah, he can spin up a news organization and start making lines.

00:37:38.000 Sorry, Joey, I love you.

00:37:39.000 Come on the show.

00:37:40.000 There are clever things you can do, Ian, to your question about starting Aardvark News or whatever.

00:37:44.000 And you probably said Aardvark News because I mentioned Aaron Aardvark earlier.

00:37:49.000 So Ian, if you start a news organization, they'll still just sue you personally.

00:37:53.000 And you may have a good chance of winning, but you better fork up the $100k for that initial defense.

00:37:59.000 So if someone at CNN lies about you, you can sue the person that lied directly and not CNN?

00:38:03.000 Yep.

00:38:04.000 Is that normally what happens?

00:38:05.000 You can sue anyone.

00:38:06.000 Joining them all.

00:38:06.000 But do you have a better chance of winning against the individual reporter or the organization?

00:38:10.000 Entirely.

00:38:11.000 Entirely depends.

00:38:12.000 But you can go after the individual and then they can try and deflect.

00:38:15.000 Typically what will happen is the institution will offer up the defense for them.

00:38:18.000 Can you sue the institution and the individual at the same time?

00:38:21.000 Yes, you can.

00:38:22.000 Yep.

00:38:24.000 Yep.

00:38:24.000 So Cassandra Fairbanks, a good friend of ours, she held up the OK hand sign in the White House, which is just the Trump, you know, you know, hey, we're Trump supporters.

00:38:33.000 And a reporter accused her of flashing a white supremacy hand gesture. 1.00

00:38:36.000 She said that's not true.

00:38:37.000 It's defamation.

00:38:38.000 She filed a suit. 0.83

00:38:38.000 It got thrown out on motion to dismiss, I guess, because they're like, like, I think what they said was because she trolls on Twitter, then you can't blame someone for believing you're trolling or something for falling for a troll or something like that. 0.83

00:38:52.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:53.000 The news organization defended the journalist.

00:38:56.000 The news organization said, we're going to pay for the journalist's defense.

00:38:59.000 So the individuals who work for these big companies with hundreds of millions of dollars

00:39:02.000 can say what they want and they get away with it.

00:39:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:05.000 And so Ian, you were sort of talking about possible legal solutions a moment ago.

00:39:09.000 I think the fact of the matter is, even though something like that would be good in specific

00:39:13.000 instances, and there are really great victory stories.

00:39:16.000 We were discussing Sandman yesterday.

00:39:19.000 We've also been hearing that Rittenhouse is trying to go after some of these networks that lied about him.

00:39:23.000 I think that's fantastic.

00:39:25.000 But ultimately people are waking up and there's a reason that they have to write pieces and hit pieces on people like Joe Rogan or Tim and that's because old media is scared because people are paying more attention to independent content creators.

00:39:37.000 And one of the reasons for that is because it's insane to get your information from people who pay no price for lying to you.

00:39:43.000 Walk the dog backwards to the genesis, right?

00:39:46.000 And so the genesis, I think, is what they teach in J-School and who decides to be journalists.

00:39:51.000 What's the role of the journalist?

00:39:52.000 Because Jefferson talked about that fourth estate and the importance of information to a free public.

00:39:59.000 Like there can't be one without the other.

00:40:02.000 And so we've gotten away from, I want to be a storyteller, to I want to be an advocate.

00:40:06.000 I want to advance an agenda.

00:40:09.000 Again, off air.

00:40:11.000 Aristotle repeatedly said, you give me the storytellers, I'll give you the future.

00:40:14.000 Dude, these guys have studied on what they're trying to do.

00:40:17.000 And a lot of the parts of the machine don't even realize they're parts of the machine, but indeed they are.

00:40:22.000 The individuals of these companies don't know.

00:40:25.000 What happens is there's a political group and they'll say, how can we get more votes?

00:40:30.000 We need news stories in our favor.

00:40:32.000 Can we fund a news organization?

00:40:33.000 Yes.

00:40:34.000 The news organization then hires people.

00:40:36.000 These people are business people who want to make money.

00:40:38.000 They're told, here's our plan for making money.

00:40:41.000 Hire people who believe X, Y, and Z. They then go and find journalists who have written stories about X, Y, and Z and say, how would you like a higher paying job?

00:40:49.000 They get hired under the company.

00:40:50.000 No one forces them to be cogs in the machine.

00:40:53.000 No one forces them to write lies. 1.00

00:40:55.000 They find people who are liars and idiots and hire them and have them do more work. 1.00

00:40:59.000 Or they're not liars. 1.00

00:41:00.000 They've drunk the proverbial Kool-Aid.

00:41:03.000 They just genuinely believe it.

00:41:04.000 But like, your formative years include your higher ed, right?

00:41:08.000 So University of Missouri and Columbia, these J schools, Syracuse, that put out a disproportionate share.

00:41:13.000 The orthodoxy is in place.

00:41:15.000 And dude, man, I didn't become comfortable in my dorkiness until I was 25 or later, right?

00:41:21.000 And I am now, like I am who I am and I like me, would you know?

00:41:26.000 These kids are vulnerable.

00:41:28.000 So people are saying, this is it and there's nothing else.

00:41:30.000 And they go, okay, this is it and there's nothing else.

00:41:32.000 Yeah it's funny you just mentioned a moment ago that some of these people might not necessarily be lying but they're on the same page as all of their colleagues and that's unsurprising but at the same time there was a great moment from Chomsky who I'm not a huge fan of but he made a point when he was on an interview show about how the dominant media culture tends to espouse a specific set of views and you can expect to hear a certain number of You know, legitimized opinions from them.

00:41:58.000 And the reporter responds to him by asking him, do you believe I'm insincere in my values?

00:42:04.000 And Chomsky said, no, I believe you sincerely hold those.

00:42:08.000 I'm telling you, you wouldn't have this job if you didn't.

00:42:11.000 That's brilliant.

00:42:12.000 Yeah.

00:42:13.000 Yeah.

00:42:13.000 Chomsky also said in the arena of violence, the most brutal wins.

00:42:17.000 And that's not us.

00:42:18.000 When he was condemning.

00:42:19.000 That's right.

00:42:21.000 So, you know, the dude lost the plot later on, but he was pretty good back in the day, too.

00:42:25.000 He's a free speech guy.

00:42:26.000 I mean, he's made some good noises over the years.

00:42:27.000 Again, not my favorite, but he's made some good noises.

00:42:31.000 Like quack and woof.

00:42:33.000 Let me show you how dark this evil goes, man.

00:42:37.000 I've got no problem calling evil.

00:42:38.000 I know that each and every one of you who watch this show will be shocked, but not surprised The Washington Post published an opinion piece which reads, Canada must confront the toxic freedom convoy head on.

00:42:53.000 You heard that right.

00:42:54.000 What?

00:42:55.000 The Washington Post has published an opinion piece in opposition to working class individuals standing up against the elites.

00:43:02.000 Because democracy dies in darkness.

00:43:02.000 Wow.

00:43:05.000 Let me show you this tweet.

00:43:06.000 Sure does.

00:43:07.000 This is a tweet from a political cartoonist, I believe from the Washington Post.

00:43:10.000 Michael De Adder.

00:43:12.000 And it is a cartoon of truckers with fascism written on the sides of them.

00:43:17.000 I responded, these people think that when the working class resists the elites, it's fascism.

00:43:22.000 That they do.

00:43:24.000 And they write this article saying, The Convoy is, by and large, a fringe group, an unfortunate minority, in which the further minority of insidious extremists lurk, bolstered by conservative politicians.

00:43:35.000 Time and time again, we learn the lesson, or at least come across it, that teaches us that rage-soaked anti-government types can't be reasoned with.

00:43:41.000 This time around, The Convoy has produced an incoherent memorandum of understanding, premised upon a misunderstanding of government, And absurd demands.

00:43:49.000 Of course, the memo should be ignored.

00:43:51.000 It's the product of a temper tantrum.

00:43:53.000 But doing nothing is a risky suboptimal strategy.

00:43:56.000 That's right.

00:43:56.000 The working class are the problem, I guess.

00:43:58.000 This ridiculous article wasn't a temper tantrum, but these working class people trying to stand for their jobs was. 0.98

00:44:04.000 Also, I love how he called them fascist and then called them anti-government. 0.94

00:44:09.000 I don't know... No, no, that was different.

00:44:10.000 Okay.

00:44:11.000 The fascist was the cartoonist.

00:44:12.000 Oh, that's right.

00:44:13.000 You're right.

00:44:13.000 I'm sorry.

00:44:14.000 I shouldn't confuse those.

00:44:15.000 I love that cartoon and part of why is because so as a political cartoonist, you know, sometimes you swing and miss, but I can't imagine doing a cartoon where you like literally just drew a picture and then wrote bad on it.

00:44:28.000 He sure did.

00:44:30.000 I'm gonna draw trucks and write fascism.

00:44:33.000 Rip off Ben Garrison.

00:44:34.000 He even signed it like Ben Garrison.

00:44:37.000 Ben Garrison does label everything in his comments, but at least they're still funny.

00:44:42.000 So I checked the author.

00:44:46.000 David Moskop wrote that op-ed.

00:44:49.000 So about the author.

00:44:50.000 David Moskop is a political theorist with an interest in democratic deliberation.

00:44:55.000 What does that mean?

00:44:56.000 Well, I guess he wants us to have democracy where we are deliberative and are coming to conclusions.

00:45:02.000 Unless, of course, that deliberation leads to conclusions that are adverse to David Moskowitz, at which point it becomes fascism, right?

00:45:09.000 To me, the irony is rich. 0.98

00:45:11.000 His book is too dumb for democracy, so clearly he's smarter than everybody else, too. 1.00

00:45:16.000 Those daggone truckers are messing everything up. 1.00

00:45:18.000 His book is called Too Dumb for Democracy? 1.00

00:45:20.000 Well, it's an admission. 0.96

00:45:20.000 It is. 0.96

00:45:23.000 Was that his autobiography?

00:45:25.000 Next week's guest on TimCast, David Moskowitz.

00:45:27.000 I don't know about that.

00:45:29.000 I just think it's funny.

00:45:30.000 This article is like written by a comic book villain.

00:45:34.000 It's a bunch of buzzwords.

00:45:35.000 The people are rising up against us!

00:45:37.000 They want their rights! 1.00

00:45:38.000 Those pathetic truckers! 1.00

00:45:40.000 They should have a say! 1.00

00:45:41.000 Anti-government types?

00:45:43.000 Was that one of the words that they used in here?

00:45:45.000 Anti-government types.

00:45:46.000 Can you imagine being in the middle of something the government does?

00:45:49.000 Crazy.

00:45:50.000 It's a type.

00:45:50.000 But it's like, they're not even, they're not even, it's not even the craziest project I've ever seen.

00:45:54.000 It's like people driving trucks, you know, in the United States when they burn down, when BLM burns down cities or whatever, they're like, this is democracy.

00:46:01.000 It's like, this is people with jobs.

00:46:03.000 This is people with jobs, like, representing their jobs.

00:46:06.000 Let's juxtapose this headline onto, say, Antifa burning a courthouse in Portland, or trying.

00:46:13.000 These Antifa protesters must be confronted head-on would be called an incitement to violence.

00:46:18.000 Oh yeah, they fired that New York Times editor because he ran the op-ed from Tom Cotton that said, send in the troops or whatever.

00:46:26.000 But when you have Antifa and Black Lives Matter engage in violence, what is it, AOC? 0.70

00:46:31.000 She's like, protests are supposed to make you uncomfortable.

00:46:34.000 Like, yo, they literally killed people, dude.

00:46:35.000 I don't know, that's a bit beyond discomfort.

00:46:38.000 Where does it say it's supposed to be peaceful?

00:46:39.000 Yeah, dude got shot in the chest, man.

00:46:42.000 Businesses were burned down, people's livelihoods were destroyed.

00:46:45.000 Yeah, billions of dollars.

00:46:45.000 Billions, right?

00:46:46.000 Who's leading the convo?

00:46:47.000 And those, by the way, those places are not going to recover for a very long time.

00:46:51.000 So there's a second YouTube channel I run with the Foundation for Economic Education.

00:46:55.000 If you guys want to check it out, it's called Common Sense Soapbox.

00:46:57.000 And we did a video on the riots and how much it's cost this country and the communities it's happened in, in the long run.

00:47:03.000 And it's, I mean, it's really astounding.

00:47:04.000 I'm going to have to consult the figures again, but I recommend all you check it out.

00:47:07.000 And what community says it happened in?

00:47:09.000 Exactly.

00:47:10.000 These are socioeconomically challenged people who the left says they champion, who are absolutely screwed by virtue of this violence. 0.96

00:47:18.000 The greatest racism visited upon Americans today is failing schools that disproportionately impact what?

00:47:29.000 Socioeconomically challenged people and people of color.

00:47:31.000 Right?

00:47:32.000 But meanwhile, we're calling everybody in this room a racist. 0.98

00:47:34.000 I actually give a damn. 0.98

00:47:35.000 I want these young people to have a freaking chance, because that's what the promise of America is. 0.98

00:47:39.000 It's not an outcome, it's a chance.

00:47:40.000 And also, I did interrupt Ian, I apologize.

00:47:43.000 Oh, thanks for apologizing.

00:47:44.000 Oh no, Ian, before the show, I just met Seamus, he's like,

00:47:47.000 watch, I'm gonna interrupt Ian.

00:47:48.000 I did, it was a play.

00:47:50.000 It was premeditated interruption.

00:47:51.000 But then they high-fived.

00:47:53.000 And then I interrupted Tim to apologize.

00:47:55.000 Oh, good job, good work, Seamus.

00:47:57.000 Just to loop this back into what you were saying earlier about Republicans who are like, but they'll call us racist.

00:48:02.000 I have to imagine there are Democrats who also have the same mentality of,

00:48:06.000 we can't, so a better example is when you mentioned the Obamacare repeal.

00:48:11.000 There are Democrats who are like, we're gonna pass this bill to help minorities.

00:48:15.000 Don't actually vote for it.

00:48:16.000 Like in that video where AOC is sitting down and then Nancy Pelosi walks up to her and wiggles her arms on C-SPAN. 0.93

00:48:21.000 You don't know what they say, but then all of a sudden AOC changes her vote.

00:48:24.000 Things like that, I'm sure they're happening.

00:48:26.000 Like, no, no, no, no, we have to pretend like we just narrowly didn't get this passed so we can earn votes.

00:48:31.000 So they give leave to certain members in certain districts to vote a certain way because they think it might be politically helpful.

00:48:38.000 Dude, I don't want anyone representing me who won't vote the way that they told me they were going to vote when they ran for office.

00:48:45.000 Tribalism.

00:48:46.000 It's just, that's what it is.

00:48:49.000 So my dad was a realtor, but his political theory was like, here's a novelty, tell people what you're going to do and then try to do it.

00:48:56.000 And it'll work, and for, I don't know, 10, 12 years in elected office it did for me, but that's gone, right?

00:49:02.000 I mean, we're hosed.

00:49:04.000 So, Tom, can I ask you, it sounds like working within the system you saw a lot of things that were very disillusioning.

00:49:09.000 I'm curious, would you say that you became more pessimistic about the political system or did you maybe become more optimistic about your ability to affect change outside of it?

00:49:20.000 Ultimately, where would you say it's placed you?

00:49:24.000 So, I'm on three committees.

00:49:25.000 I'm on Homeland Security, which is, and this is past tense, but, which is like the worst committee there is.

00:49:30.000 It sounds super cool, but like they have no power because everything's a turf war in DC, and it's a new committee, so nobody relinquished any power, so we just go talk.

00:49:37.000 I'm on Foreign Affairs, which I fell in love with, which is where they go to warehouse the pro-liberty people.

00:49:41.000 Like, how much harm can a legislative branch guy do when he's in an executive branch arena of Foreign Affairs?

00:49:46.000 And then I'm on Educational Workforce, and you go to these committee meetings, there's 50 members in the committee, and somebody fact-checked me, it's probably 51 or 49, I don't know them.

00:49:54.000 But like, normally there's five or six in the room.

00:49:55.000 They come, they do their two-minute talk, they ask some questions, they leave.

00:49:59.000 Right?

00:49:59.000 Because we've gotten so far beyond the enumerated powers envisioned by the founders that nobody can carry the bandwidth, and they know nobody cares, which just pisses me off because this stuff matters.

00:50:08.000 And so nobody's ever there.

00:50:09.000 Mike Rowe comes in from Dirty Jobs to speak to Ed and Workforce.

00:50:12.000 And he starts, by the way, when I grow up, I don't know if I want to be Tim Pool or Mike Rowe, but one of them.

00:50:16.000 Mike Rowe's pretty rad.

00:50:17.000 He's pretty great.

00:50:18.000 But so Mike Rowe starts off by saying, I'm Mike Rowe, and I'm a trained professional opera singer, and I know nothing about it in the workforce, but I care passionately about it, right?

00:50:24.000 That's how he starts.

00:50:26.000 But every single butt is in seat. 1.00

00:50:29.000 Every Democrat's in the room, every Republican's in the room.

00:50:31.000 And they're all scrawling down what Mike Rowe, who starts his comments by saying, I'm not an expert, but I care about this.

00:50:36.000 They're writing stuff down.

00:50:37.000 And so that's when I thought, like the Aristotle quote, like, you give me the storytellers, I give you the future.

00:50:42.000 And I'm hating Washington from the second day I'm there.

00:50:44.000 I'm like, this place is broken beyond my ability to fix it.

00:50:47.000 And the coolest thing I've ever done is literally snatch people out of prison against the will of the president and the committee chair and everybody because I wanted to do something that freaking mattered. 0.98

00:50:56.000 And I thought, son of a bitch, I can do more good telling stories that aren't being told than I can ever do in office. 0.96

00:51:02.000 That was a lightbulb moment, and it wasn't like, oh, an Exile series was born. 0.99

00:51:06.000 I didn't know how to make point A reach point B, but I knew that Mike Rowe was more powerful than Nancy Pelosi at that moment.

00:51:12.000 I could not agree more.

00:51:13.000 Tim Poole was more powerful. 1.00

00:51:14.000 No shit. 1.00

00:51:15.000 I'm not just kissing your butt. 1.00

00:51:19.000 Because if you're loud enough and you scream long enough, Washington will do something, but you have to tell the story. 0.99

00:51:25.000 But let me tell you, cultural enforcement is more powerful than law.

00:51:29.000 So the way I explain it is that we have a bunch of laws on the books that no one ever enforces.

00:51:34.000 There's books called, like, Silly Laws, you know.

00:51:37.000 And there's one where it's like, you can't put a pie on the windowsill on Sundays.

00:51:40.000 And it was passed in, you know, 1790 because some guy put a pie on the windowsill, it attracted bears, and then they were like, guys, you gotta stop putting pies on the windowsill, we're gonna write this down.

00:51:49.000 And now it's still on the books.

00:51:50.000 Right.

00:51:50.000 So we have these silly laws, but no cop is going to walk up to you because you had a pie in the windowsill and care about it at all.

00:51:56.000 But hold on, that law is on the books.

00:51:58.000 Does the cop just get to decide, I won't enforce that law?

00:52:02.000 The cop doesn't even know the law exists!

00:52:04.000 So if the culture changes, it doesn't matter what a politician says.

00:52:09.000 Right, why do people not beat their wives, hopefully? 1.00

00:52:11.000 Because you don't beat your wife, because it's a jackass, horrible thing to do. 0.96

00:52:14.000 It's been illegal, but that's why people don't do it, so you're exactly right. 0.95

00:52:18.000 But we had a conversation a while back, too, about cops choosing.

00:52:21.000 I think we had some former cops on the show saying, like, well, cops can't choose what laws to enforce.

00:52:25.000 I'm like, they literally do every single day.

00:52:27.000 Otherwise, they'd be arrested in some dude for having a shower on a Tuesday in Massachusetts or whatever.

00:52:32.000 Because these laws are on the books.

00:52:35.000 But just as important, now there are sort of benign, the pie on the window sill on Sunday, laws that are still in the books.

00:52:41.000 But then there are laws that are still in the books that are never going to be enforced

00:52:45.000 because they're horrible and politicians still lack the courage to repeal them.

00:52:49.000 My favorite that I had anything to do with was Virginia had up until 2016 a crimes against

00:52:54.000 nature law in the books which made it illegal for anyone to have any sex other than missionary 0.90

00:52:59.000 between a man and his wife. 0.98

00:53:00.000 It was a freaking felony. 0.99

00:53:02.000 It was a felony to have any sex other than missionary. 0.99

00:53:05.000 other than missionary between a man and his wife.

00:53:06.000 And it was on the books.

00:53:07.000 It was a felony.

00:53:08.000 And so in 2005- Why weren't cops enforcing it?

00:53:11.000 Well, so there's a story.

00:53:14.000 In 2005, a Democrat named Patsy Teisser from Northern Virginia carried a bill to repeal it

00:53:18.000 and it failed.

00:53:19.000 What?

00:53:20.000 And I'm like, I got a evangelical, biblical sort of constituency,

00:53:20.000 What?

00:53:25.000 but I'm looking at this going, this is horrible.

00:53:27.000 So I write the repeal bill, but I carved out to leave it illegal if it was an adult and a minor, right? 0.94

00:53:35.000 And then the headline was, Garrett's obsessed with teenage sex. 0.99

00:53:38.000 And I'm like, only when it's my teenager and you're a 40-year-old that we're locking your butt up for that. 0.67

00:53:44.000 But we took that off the books because, here's the thing, as a former prosecutor, every law that's on the books that's selectively enforced or not enforced waters down the meaning of every law that's on the books that is enforced.

00:53:56.000 Because I, as a rational thinking person, will go, why do I obey that law?

00:54:00.000 They don't enforce that one.

00:54:01.000 Exactly.

00:54:02.000 Or they don't enforce that one uniformly.

00:54:04.000 But back to your point about, you know, this show or any other show, people need to realize if tomorrow every single person woke up and just said, the U.S.

00:54:14.000 dollar is no longer the currency I care about, Bitcoin is, then Bitcoin is currency and the dollar is worth nothing.

00:54:20.000 So long as a system has confidence in it.

00:54:22.000 So these are really important points for people to understand the philosophy of how our society works.

00:54:27.000 When Republicans are like, we're going to get a bunch of judges appointed, I'm like, wow, that's completely meaningless.

00:54:33.000 Because when they come out and they get a Supreme Court ruling, the federal judges won't really matter.

00:54:37.000 When they come out and everyone on TV says, you're racist, and then GOP members are like, we can't pass that bill, they'll call us racist.

00:54:44.000 The cultural enforcement is substantially stronger than any statutory law.

00:54:47.000 Yeah, I remember having a conversation with you a while ago.

00:54:49.000 I think it was around the time we first met, but you made a good point that as long as you change the language, you don't actually have to change law.

00:54:56.000 So I think this was off the heels of the civil rights laws being interpreted as saying you had to cater to certain delusions with respect to transgenderism, which is certainly not what was intended back in the 1960s.

00:55:09.000 But because our cultural understanding shifted, it was argued that this law was actually meant to be enforced in a very specific way.

00:55:17.000 Well, so, just, sorry to interrupt, but the specific point you're offering, just so people, and then I'll throw it back to you, but is, if the 1964 Civil Rights Act says, you know, you can't discriminate against, you know, the basis of sex or whatever, or they say, you know, women have the right to X, Y, and Z, equal to men, if those laws in the books use the word woman, But then later on, you have a major cultural push to change the definition of the word woman.

00:55:40.000 The law changes after the fact.

00:55:41.000 Exactly.

00:55:42.000 And I agree with... So this wonderful Aristotle quote about storytelling, I wholeheartedly agree with that.

00:55:50.000 I think it's so important for people to recognize that.

00:55:54.000 The best avenue for political and cultural change isn't just political.

00:55:58.000 I mean, that's part of it.

00:55:59.000 You do want something there, but it's really shaping hearts and minds.

00:56:04.000 And this is a huge reason why I think it's good to just stay away from Hollywood entertainment generally.

00:56:11.000 Even if there's not anything in it that you think is particularly morally objectionable, a lot of these stories are written by people who hate you and hate your family and hate your way of life and want to reshape the country.

00:56:21.000 And the idea that the kinds of stories that they tell aren't at all going to have their worldview bleed into it and influence you on some level is just ridiculous in my opinion.

00:56:27.000 When you say they hate you, you mean that more that they... Your way of life.

00:56:31.000 They work counter to your belief in like what like, because they don't know you.

00:56:35.000 So they don't know you as an individual person, but also the idea, so let's say you have a Christian or a Trump supporter or a conservative who's listening to this right now, there are many screenwriters in Hollywood who would say, I do hate that type of person.

00:56:48.000 Well, you said they don't know you, but they think they know you.

00:56:50.000 Exactly.

00:56:52.000 Exactly.

00:56:52.000 Well, that's exactly going back to your reference of this show, and we can, you know, mention many other shows, be it, you know, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder.

00:57:01.000 The pro-life movement is a really good example.

00:57:02.000 There was this really funny thing that happened we were talking about where this Democratic congressman said, if pro-lifers or if Republicans think that life begins at conception, then I'm going to pass a bill that makes men financially responsible for babies starting at conception.

00:57:17.000 Based.

00:57:18.000 And they posted it in this leftist subreddit and they were like, haha, that'll show these conservatives.

00:57:26.000 And then all the conservatives were sharing it going like, this is awesome.

00:57:29.000 That's how I felt.

00:57:30.000 I was like, this is fantastic.

00:57:31.000 Yeah, I love that.

00:57:32.000 Good.

00:57:32.000 Make men responsible for their children.

00:57:34.000 Why would a conservative who cares about the family not want men to be responsible for their children?

00:57:38.000 But this is the point.

00:57:39.000 They think they know you based on media manipulation from people like Rachel Maddow who lie, who make things up.

00:57:46.000 And not just people like Rachel Maddow.

00:57:48.000 I think more importantly, the people who make films and television shows who work conservative characters into them, who act that way.

00:57:56.000 So the sodomy bill repeal, and I've overcharacterized it, I think it was less broad than anything other than the missionary between a man and a woman.

00:58:02.000 But a friend of mine named Adam Ebbin, who was the first openly gay man in the Virginia Senate, who's a Democrat, I go to Adam and I'm like, I'm going to do the sodomy bill repeal, I want you to co-patron it with me.

00:58:11.000 He's like, I can't, it's your bill.

00:58:12.000 I'm like, we're friends! 1.00

00:58:14.000 And again, I went through the whole, this is homophobic, and I'm like, son of a bitch! 1.00

00:58:19.000 I'm the last guy who cares what anybody does in their bedroom, right? 0.99

00:58:22.000 That's between whomever you're doing it with and God, so long as they're of age and with consent.

00:58:26.000 It's really commendable that you actually made a bill to repeal another law.

00:58:28.000 And a gay RVA is a publication out of Richmond, Virginia And and one of the guys comes to me and goes what you're

00:58:32.000 trying to do is this and I'm like, yeah He's oh dude. I'm on your team. I'm like, oh

00:58:35.000 It's really commendable the tribalism you actually were made a bill to repeal another law

00:58:42.000 Like I think these laws should have sunset clause. Oh my god, so you don't have to go through all the effort

00:58:46.000 It's just like Virginia, right? We had a bill in the books.

00:58:49.000 It says that you can't marry somebody of a different race Wth right? I mean like two human beings who are in love,

00:58:54.000 right? So what do I want for my kids?

00:58:56.000 I want them to be happy now. I'm a person whose life has been changed by God's grace

00:59:00.000 That's my belief instruction belief structure. But what I really want because happiness is like more valuable than

00:59:06.000 gold dude. It's it's so rare There's a, probably an urban legend, but they say that, it's a Reddit post, it was like, when John Lennon was a kid, his teacher said, what do you want to be when you grow up?

00:59:18.000 And he wrote down in his assignment, happy, and the teacher said, you've misunderstood the assignment, and he said, you've misunderstood life.

00:59:23.000 I don't think he really did that.

00:59:25.000 No, I don't think John Lennon's that interesting.

00:59:27.000 I don't think he would say something like that as a child.

00:59:29.000 I think he might have, actually.

00:59:30.000 Hey, you made an interesting point that cultural enforcement overweighs law, and I think that's because law is a type of cultural enforcement.

00:59:30.000 It is John Lennon.

00:59:39.000 It's just a specific one.

00:59:41.000 But it's downstream.

00:59:42.000 Yeah, it is.

00:59:42.000 It's like a little bit of it.

00:59:43.000 The grand cultural enforcement is media.

00:59:45.000 You see that.

00:59:46.000 Redefining language.

00:59:48.000 People say that law and politics are downstream of culture, and there's truth in that, but I think it's much more cyclical, because the laws that we have do influence the way people think.

00:59:58.000 So you were mentioning this earlier about how certain outdated laws in the books that are no longer enforced, or laws that people don't care about, actually shape a person's understanding of other laws, and I think on some level we could argue that that's cultural.

01:00:11.000 The law is a teacher.

01:00:13.000 I don't want to get into a can of worms here, but like immigration. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Whose fault is it that two million people cross our border illegally?

01:00:20.000 It's not theirs. 0.96

01:00:21.000 God bless them.

01:00:22.000 Okay.

01:00:22.000 I got kids to feed and there's a wealthy opportunity zone to my north that's tacitly encouraging me to come.

01:00:28.000 It's our fault.

01:00:29.000 So any law that's on the books, that's not uniformly enforced to the best of our ability to enforce it should be off the books or enforced or changed.

01:00:39.000 I agree with these illegal immigrants, and I respect them infinitely more than these leftists in this country who are like, America, it's racist.

01:00:47.000 I'm like, you got dude from South America traveled 2,000 miles risking his life because he was like, America, man.

01:00:52.000 And I'm gonna take care of my family.

01:00:54.000 It's like everything I've ever dreamed of is coming to America because it's a land of opportunity.

01:00:59.000 I don't think they're coming here because they're like, oh, free speech.

01:01:01.000 Some of them are.

01:01:02.000 Some of them are like, gangs will kill me and the government will kill me for speaking out.

01:01:05.000 I need to get to America.

01:01:06.000 Some of them are like, the land of opportunity where I can work hard and succeed.

01:01:10.000 And then you've got these millennials who are like, but I don't want to walk a dog longer than 20, you know. 0.85

01:01:14.000 You tend to do Cubans, man. 1.00

01:01:15.000 I'm like, okay, can we pick half a million people and swap for half a million freedom-loving Cubans?

01:01:21.000 Send the communists to Cuba and bring the Cubans over here. 1.00

01:01:24.000 No, yeah, but then also I'd be remiss not to mention a number of the people who are crossing the border are those gang members who the other people crossing the border are running from.

01:01:32.000 My underlying point, though, is that it's nobody's fault but our own, right?

01:01:35.000 We have the wherewithal.

01:01:35.000 We need to enforce the laws we have.

01:01:37.000 Enforce them or change them.

01:01:38.000 You see that story of the leaked video where the federal contractor says that the government has betrayed the American people?

01:01:48.000 They're secretly chartering illegal immigrant flights from Texas around the country and taking illegal immigrants 0.73

01:01:55.000 who are crossing the border and just shuffling them into other communities. And this cop

01:01:59.000 confronts him and he's like, what's going on?

01:02:01.000 He's like, we're past curfew. You're not supposed to be here. And the guy's like, too bad. We're

01:02:05.000 with the feds. And the cops like, well, that sucks. And then the guy's like, no one's supposed 0.99

01:02:10.000 to know about this. So I can't show you my, my work ID.

01:02:13.000 And the cop's like, man, that's crazy.

01:02:15.000 And he was like, but why isn't anyone supposed to know about it?

01:02:17.000 And the contractor goes, because the American people found out the government betrayed the people.

01:02:23.000 Like, he actually said that.

01:02:24.000 At least we're not paying for the flights.

01:02:27.000 Wait, we are?

01:02:27.000 Jorge Ventura was on the show.

01:02:30.000 He was down at the border watching them deliver people across the border.

01:02:34.000 And they had these these armbands on.

01:02:37.000 This one says Entregas on it, which means deliveries.

01:02:40.000 This was on a child.

01:02:42.000 So they're straight up.

01:02:44.000 It's real.

01:02:45.000 They're delivering human bodies over here, probably for slave labor. 0.93

01:02:48.000 I don't even think they care why they're coming.

01:02:50.000 They're just delivering them for money. 0.54

01:02:51.000 Yeah, trafficking.

01:02:52.000 The Biden administration is trafficking underage migrants.

01:02:55.000 Kids, dude.

01:02:56.000 That's a fact.

01:02:56.000 That is a fact.

01:02:58.000 Cheap labor.

01:02:58.000 So, in Tennessee, it was a huge outrage because these lawmakers found out that the Biden administration was getting these military flights from Air Force bases, I think, and putting underage migrants on them and trafficking them.

01:03:09.000 They probably think they're doing good, too.

01:03:10.000 Like, we're giving them an opportunity by bringing them here.

01:03:12.000 They think they're engaging in a political strategy that'll help them win.

01:03:16.000 The coyotes?

01:03:17.000 These are the people who are human traffickers. 1.00

01:03:19.000 They're criminals, many of them. 1.00

01:03:21.000 They abuse and harm children in very extreme and disgusting ways. 0.99

01:03:25.000 There's a story of one guy just chucking a kid off a boat into the river, just like a baby, I think it was. 0.98

01:03:31.000 And the reason they're doing it and able to do it is because the Biden administration has basically said, if you bring those people here, we'll take care of it for you.

01:03:39.000 Livestock.

01:03:40.000 If the Biden administration said, you show up, we got a pair of handcuffs with your name on it, they'd be like, guys, it's really difficult to do this.

01:03:47.000 It's going to be hard.

01:03:48.000 We can maybe do it.

01:03:50.000 With the Biden administration being like, come on down and we'll get you a flight to wherever you want to go.

01:03:53.000 The coyotes, the smugglers are like, don't worry.

01:03:56.000 It's really, really easy.

01:03:57.000 You give me a couple of grand, I'll get you to the border.

01:03:58.000 The Biden administration will take care of everything for you.

01:04:01.000 That's why a lot of these migrants are wearing shirts that say Biden, please let us in. 0.96

01:04:04.000 And he was like, uh, okay.

01:04:06.000 And did.

01:04:07.000 And that's what's going on in this country.

01:04:08.000 They should have put Kamala, please let us in, you know?

01:04:10.000 They should know their real audience.

01:04:12.000 Yeah.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, but that's why, you know, I look at that.

01:04:15.000 I look at the judges in the Pennsylvania story and I'm just like, the United States has been eviscerated.

01:04:22.000 I don't even know if I can blame, like you were saying earlier, you blame us basically for letting this happen.

01:04:26.000 I see migration as part of our special history.

01:04:30.000 You know, since the dawn of time, people have, no one really cares about the border unless it's a river and you can't get across it.

01:04:36.000 People have always cared about borders.

01:04:39.000 I guess the point would be, though, that you have to, if you want to call yourself a country, be able to define that.

01:04:46.000 But again, the argument is always conflated with that which casts your opponent in the worst possible light, right?

01:04:55.000 So what we miss is illegal immigration, right?

01:04:57.000 There are real arguments to be made for the amount of people in the workforce and the needs of the workforce, etc., etc., and that they might be addressed By loosening and tightening the flow of inflow, right?

01:05:09.000 We're lucky enough to live somewhere where people want to come.

01:05:11.000 But all that's lost.

01:05:13.000 You hate these people because, right?

01:05:15.000 And then it's parroted from the hilltops, the mountaintops, by sort of a complicit messaging organization that's job literally is to do that.

01:05:22.000 Very interesting when you're standing at the wall saying you can't come in and they're like starving and begging you and you're like, it's for your own good and for my own good, you cannot come.

01:05:32.000 And they're like, please God, let me in.

01:05:34.000 And you're just like, no.

01:05:35.000 Well, it's the responsibility of a nation-state to ensure the needs of its people are met first and foremost.

01:05:40.000 I believe that you should, as a country, care for the needs of others, if possible, but you can't do it at the expense of the well-being of your own people.

01:05:46.000 It's very complicated.

01:05:47.000 Let me ask you a question, Tom, because you've spent time in the Middle East.

01:05:51.000 How does the United States respond to American citizens being held hostage for ransom?

01:05:56.000 When?

01:05:57.000 I mean, truly, there's a timeline here, because how many people are still sitting in Afghanistan?

01:06:02.000 I know Americans But let's say a terrorist organization, you know, surrounds a vehicle with some Americans in it, captures them, and then makes a ransom demand.

01:06:14.000 We want $4 million.

01:06:15.000 Right.

01:06:15.000 Historically, you don't negotiate with terrorists.

01:06:17.000 So what does the U.S.

01:06:18.000 typically do?

01:06:19.000 Again, it's when.

01:06:20.000 I mean, you had the missionaries kidnapped in Haiti recently, and I can't get into the backstory on how that release was secured, but, you know, the protocols change over time, is all I can say.

01:06:31.000 And, you know, what I used to say with young children was, you can't feed the monster, because if you feed the monster, it's hungrier next time.

01:06:41.000 So, do you know what Spain and Germany are known for doing when their citizens are taken hostage?

01:06:47.000 No?

01:06:48.000 You just pay it.

01:06:49.000 Yeah.

01:06:50.000 So I did hostile environment training.

01:06:52.000 This is years ago now.

01:06:53.000 This is six years ago.

01:06:55.000 So maybe protocol has changed, but what we were told and what I've learned and generally my travels, you know, going to like Turkey and stuff.

01:07:03.000 The United States doesn't negotiate with terrorists, and they basically say, these guys in these countries know that if they take you and find out you're an American citizen, they'll typically be like, get away from me.

01:07:13.000 They'll kill me. 0.79

01:07:14.000 Because the Americans, you know, some black helicopters will be over your house, you know, over your building in a day or two, and they'll kill you and your family. 0.99

01:07:23.000 So it's the Israeli response to Munich, right?

01:07:25.000 And what it does is it begets less of that in the future.

01:07:28.000 But I'm telling you, without saying stuff that I can't say because I might

01:07:32.000 compromise the safety of people who I hold in high regard and without saying stuff that might

01:07:36.000 keep your podcast from getting ganked, that the paradigm may have shifted. Even worse, we're

01:07:42.000 giving money to people who are holding Americans without getting anything for it.

01:07:47.000 it.

01:07:48.000 I'd believe that.

01:07:49.000 By golly, if you're going to give them $600 million palletized dollars, then you at least

01:07:52.000 ought to get something in exchange for it.

01:07:54.000 I would absolutely believe that in the current political climate.

01:07:57.000 But just to finish that point off, what we were told was we did a training where they

01:08:03.000 kidnap us, they blindfold us.

01:08:05.000 It was like three hours.

01:08:06.000 It was really crazy, because it felt like ten minutes.

01:08:08.000 And they bring you in blindfolded, and they play these weird noises going around this whole big warehouse you're in.

01:08:13.000 Then they bring you into a room with a light in your face, and you can't see anything, and they ask you a bunch of weird questions.

01:08:18.000 And then, all of a sudden, the door is bang open, and you hear screaming, ON THE GROUND NOW!

01:08:23.000 HANDS ON YOUR HEAD!

01:08:24.000 Everyone does it.

01:08:25.000 Then you get picked up.

01:08:26.000 Now, what you learn after the fact is these guys are the Americans rescuing you.

01:08:30.000 and what they said was these are these are like former intelligence guys these are former uh like special forces and they were like if they were like if any of you you know we're all americans are kidnapped play it safe stay alive you will be rescued however you know you you probably they said the likelihood that us americans get kidnapped is lower because americans will execute the individuals who kidnap you and their families it is extremely brutal when they kick that door in nobody nobody rescued daniel pearl i mean it's you know i mean You think they let that guy get killed for propaganda?

01:09:03.000 No, not at all.

01:09:05.000 I think that historically, we've tried to create a scenario that disincentivized bad behavior.

01:09:12.000 But when you don't have boots on the ground, sometimes people get beheaded on video.

01:09:19.000 What they said was Spain and Germany just pay the ransoms, so they hunt these people down, basically.

01:09:24.000 Yeah, they created a market for it.

01:09:26.000 They have created a market to buy their own citizens back.

01:09:28.000 It's insane.

01:09:29.000 The story we were told on this show, that there was some town in India that had a snake problem.

01:09:33.000 So the government said... that was your story?

01:09:35.000 Yeah, yes.

01:09:36.000 That's another video I did for the Foundation for Economic Education.

01:09:38.000 This is known as the Cobra Problem.

01:09:39.000 So basically, I believe it was in British-occupied India, There was a snake problem.

01:09:46.000 There were cobras.

01:09:47.000 And so it was said by the British government that anyone who brings us a cobra tail will be paid.

01:09:55.000 And they thought this is going to help us eliminate the cobra population. 0.99

01:09:57.000 Well, what actually happened was people started cobra breeding operations and then started killing the cobras and bringing their tails and the problem got worse. 1.00

01:10:06.000 That's another stupid bill. 0.99

01:10:08.000 So we had no hunting on Sundays in Virginia, but we were paying bounties for people to kill coyotes. 1.00

01:10:13.000 Except if you killed a coyote on a Sunday, you'd committed a crime.

01:10:16.000 And I'm like, hang on, we're spending tax dollars to incentivize this six days a week, but we're prosecuting people for doing it on the seventh.

01:10:23.000 And again, coming from somebody who's saved by grace, like, you know, I'm a Christian, but like, explain to me this law again.

01:10:29.000 You know, you were saying earlier that our behavior towards terrorism, how we deal with terrorist changes, and I see that like in Afghanistan.

01:10:36.000 They say, we don't negotiate with terrorists, yet we will surrender to them.

01:10:39.000 Well, I was going to say how you define terrorist changes, because 20 years ago, the idea that we would be placating the Taliban and sending them money while there were literally hundreds of Americans Who are being held against their will, despite what Psaki tells us, in Afghanistan is unthinkable.

01:10:56.000 And Biden's approval ratings are low.

01:10:58.000 Not as low as they'd be if we still defined terrorists the same way we did 20 years ago.

01:11:02.000 Do you have evidence that there are Americans there being held against their will?

01:11:05.000 Yeah, I know people who've been in, Americans who've been in Afghanistan subsequent to August.

01:11:10.000 Right?

01:11:10.000 And again, careful what I say.

01:11:13.000 But you know what they're doing?

01:11:14.000 Pulling out Americans. 1.00

01:11:15.000 And that's without the security provided by the American government.

01:11:15.000 Now.

01:11:18.000 God bless them.

01:11:19.000 So I so want to talk about Exile series because these are the guys that yeah, let's let's let's let's talk about this Here's here's what we have this Indiegogo you launched and here's what I find truly interesting about this So this is your exile documentary series exposing the global crisis of religious and ethnic persecution but the first thing I want to talk to you about is you're trying to shop this documentary series around to these networks and And they're telling you outright, yeah, but can you do it without criticizing China?

01:11:46.000 So they're telling us two things.

01:11:47.000 Hey, that's good product.

01:11:48.000 And then secondly, can you do it without?

01:11:50.000 And so it's, hey, that's good product.

01:11:51.000 Can you do it without talking about China?

01:11:53.000 And secondarily, the Gulf states.

01:11:55.000 And I'm like, this is my exact words the first time I heard this, where, you know, we could do a Beatles doc without talking about John, but it would suck.

01:12:01.000 So what so first tell us what this is like that give us the elevator pitch on what it's about and then you know, why why China?

01:12:09.000 You know why they're upset about your Chris no human being should have to live in the place of their birth with fear that stems from their faith and their ethnicity or race, their sexuality or what have you.

01:12:19.000 This is a human fundamental right to live without fear in the place of your birth. Now if you

01:12:24.000 want to move, move. I was in Syria speaking to some members of the Christian community from

01:12:28.000 the Kaaba River Valley and a representative and I said if I could give you anything,

01:12:31.000 which I can't, that you want, what would it be? And he's like send all the Christians back and

01:12:35.000 I'm like hell no, no never. But I would like to help make a world where they didn't have to fight

01:12:40.000 like hell to leave to begin with, right?

01:12:42.000 Nobody should have to live in fear based on deeply held convictions or immutable character traits.

01:12:48.000 Yeah.

01:12:49.000 Pause for dramatic effect?

01:12:50.000 That's it.

01:12:50.000 So why do we live in a world where 80% of the world lives in fear of religious persecution, which we do?

01:12:56.000 8 out of 10 people, right?

01:12:57.000 That's 4 out of 5 for those of you who went to the same school I did.

01:13:01.000 That's because nobody freaking knows.

01:13:03.000 I just gotta point out, I feel for the white male Christians in this country who are suffering the worst. 0.92

01:13:09.000 I'm looking over at Seamus, and I'm making a joke!

01:13:14.000 Wait, a white Irish? 0.88

01:13:15.000 What are you talking about?

01:13:20.000 I just kind of backed into this, and I'm still friends with some people in DC, shockingly.

01:13:24.000 And these guys and gals don't know this stuff.

01:13:26.000 Nobody knows this stuff.

01:13:27.000 But if we understood just how bad this is, right?

01:13:30.000 I wish you guys could...

01:13:32.000 In three and a half minutes we kind of sort of shine a light on how bad this is, how pervasive it is.

01:13:37.000 And the other thing is, like we talked again off air, hubris is when you say it can't happen here.

01:13:42.000 That's like the last thing anybody says.

01:13:44.000 The Titanic can't sink, it's unsinkable! 0.99

01:13:47.000 Oh shit, this boat's in trouble. 0.98

01:13:49.000 And so we want to show these stories because all too often the West, the United States even, and I love this country, right? 0.99

01:13:55.000 I've served it in uniform.

01:13:56.000 I've served it locally, state, and federally, and it's not as cool as it sounds.

01:14:01.000 But the United States has all too often been complicit.

01:14:03.000 We've either turned a blind eye or actually helped the people who are hurting their minority populations.

01:14:08.000 Oh yeah, definitely.

01:14:09.000 So I definitely want to get into that in detail, but how is it that China plays a role in this, and why is it that... I mean, I imagine you criticize America to a certain degree.

01:14:21.000 I just did, right?

01:14:22.000 So are these networks being like, oh, don't criticize America?

01:14:25.000 No, they're saying don't criticize China?

01:14:26.000 Well, because in America, you can criticize America, but in China, you can't criticize China, right?

01:14:30.000 In America, you can't criticize China.

01:14:32.000 Apparently, right?

01:14:34.000 In fact, there's a cottage industry built around keeping Americans from criticizing China.

01:14:38.000 Irony.

01:14:39.000 Shout out to Mark Cuban.

01:14:40.000 Everybody wants to boycott the Beijing Olympics.

01:14:44.000 Maybe we should, but that ship has sailed.

01:14:46.000 What would be freaking awesome It's for one of these amazing young men and women who's worked their whole lives to be so good at this as to earn a gold medal, to use that podium in Beijing to stand up for freedom and human dignity.

01:14:58.000 Right?

01:14:58.000 That's not boycott.

01:15:00.000 Jesse Owens sent the biggest possible message to the Nazis when he kept winning gold medals.

01:15:05.000 But didn't they ban protests outright?

01:15:08.000 So like no Black Lives Matter stuff, no anti-China stuff?

01:15:12.000 They gotta have a medal ceremony, right?

01:15:14.000 Who were the guys in, was it 68, who raised their fists, right?

01:15:18.000 I personally, I think they should boycott it.

01:15:21.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:21.000 I think they might should have, but it's too late.

01:15:23.000 We could have replicated this.

01:15:25.000 We're pouring money and fuel onto the propaganda fire that is the CCP, that is literally... So I'm doing a Fox News interview, right?

01:15:34.000 You think they're playing to the right, and they go, well, on the screen are the 10 biggest offenders of religious freedom, and I'm like, hold on.

01:15:39.000 How do you have that list without China on it? I mean, everybody's sold their souls. 1.00

01:15:43.000 Dude, it's the Uyghurs at the tip of the iceberg. So they've been organ harvesting from the 1.00

01:15:47.000 Falun Gong in China for decades. There's two churches in China. There's the state-sanctioned

01:15:52.000 church that does as they're told. And then there are the people who huddle in—and this is not

01:15:55.000 hyperbolic—who huddle in fear in their kitchens in groups of two, three, five,

01:16:01.000 because they want to actually learn the gospel, right? 0.98

01:16:05.000 So the Chinese are the absolute worst because why? 1.00

01:16:08.000 Because for communism and totalitarianism to succeed, the state must be paramount. 0.95

01:16:13.000 And faith, whether it's Judaism or Islam or Christianity, says that there's something bigger than you and me and indeed the state and the government.

01:16:20.000 That's why Jesus was such a threat to the empire. 0.70

01:16:22.000 Dude, right?

01:16:23.000 And so they had this script for how Jesus was supposed to play and he didn't play by it.

01:16:28.000 And it's also why in North Korea they're told that, what is it, Kim Il-sung or whatever created the universe or something like that?

01:16:34.000 Is that true?

01:16:35.000 I read that.

01:16:36.000 I don't actually know, but we did have, we had Yeon-mi on, right?

01:16:41.000 Did she talk about that?

01:16:42.000 I can't remember the specific details on what they're told to believe.

01:16:45.000 Yeah, all I know is that she came out of there not knowing what love was because they had so thoroughly brainwashed her and there's no chance of developing any kind of faith outside the state in a place like North Korea. 0.91

01:16:54.000 Where are some of the hot spots around the globe as you've been studying this?

01:16:57.000 So, Nigeria's been horrible for 20 years and it's never talked about, right?

01:17:01.000 Again, like...

01:17:03.000 I served in the military.

01:17:04.000 I did eight months in a tent in Bosnia during Operation Joint Guard, Joint Endeavor, largely because Christiana Lamport told us truly, and she was right, how horrible it was when 8,000 Muslims were massacred at Srebrenica and half a million people are murdered in Rwanda over ethnicity before the U.S. 0.67

01:17:21.000 and the world get up off their hands, right?

01:17:23.000 So Africa is terrible. 1.00

01:17:25.000 There's like a line of blood across Africa as radical Islam and not Islam. 1.00

01:17:29.000 I have wonderful Muslim friends who've helped me not die, sort of creep southward. 1.00

01:17:35.000 Myanmar, Burma is one of the worst. 1.00

01:17:37.000 So in the Second World War, we promised the Burmese minority groups, 0.99

01:17:41.000 which is about 45% of the country, you get 55% Burmans, 1.00

01:17:45.000 and then you've got Kachin and Wa and Karen, all these ethnic tribes

01:17:48.000 which are either Muslim or Christian.

01:17:49.000 And so the Burmese had never lost a fight.

01:17:53.000 The British came in, subjugated them. 0.98

01:17:54.000 The Japanese came in, the Burmese are like, get the British out, we're on your team. 1.00

01:17:58.000 The minorities, the British and the Americans go to the minorities and go, 1.00

01:18:01.000 if you help us get the Japanese out, we'll make sure you have autonomy and self-determination 0.98

01:18:05.000 when we win.

01:18:06.000 And they did.

01:18:07.000 They fought, bled, and died next to Americans and British soldiers.

01:18:10.000 And then the war ended and we said, yes. 0.94

01:18:12.000 Yes, anyway, and left, and the Burmese Civil War started in like 1947 and it's still ongoing, right?

01:18:20.000 Right, and so you hear about the Rohingya, but also there are the Kachin and the Wa and the Karen, and so this has been going on for generations.

01:18:28.000 South Asia's horrific, right? 1.00

01:18:30.000 Modi has absolutely weaponized faith because he understands that even though they have 240 million Muslims and millions of Christians and even a Jewish community, etc.

01:18:38.000 in India, that they've got 870 million Hindus, so it's a big we-they paradigm. 0.69

01:18:43.000 If you're an Ahmadi Muslim in Pakistan, that is Muslims who believe that there have been subsequent prophets after the Prophet Muhammad, you'll be murdered in public and often without recourse. 1.00

01:18:53.000 If you're a Christian in Pakistan, the Christians in Afghanistan now, and we're talking about tiny slivers, right? 1.00

01:18:58.000 Again, the formulaic sort of totalitarian game is to pick a minority group big enough that everybody thinks they know somebody from it, but small enough that it can't defend itself.

01:19:07.000 What are they doing to Christians in Pakistan?

01:19:09.000 Driving them underground, right?

01:19:10.000 There was a great story about a pastor, Sahel Lateef, who I was able to tangentially help, who was locked up because he was advocating for the rights of the impoverished in Karachi.

01:19:20.000 Not just Christians, but Muslims as land grabbers came in saying, Oh, this is the next place that we want to invest. 1.00

01:19:26.000 And then systematically, essentially did title fraud on all these people who had like 10 square feet.

01:19:31.000 And so, Sohail Lateef's speaking up for him and they put him in prison and shut down his church, right? 0.99

01:19:36.000 So, like, it's brave just to be a Christian there, to be a Christian who stands up and leads, so it's even, it's even, it's arguably stupid. 0.94

01:19:44.000 But the backstory was when he got out, immediately they said, well, you need to move. 0.93

01:19:48.000 I mean, he shouldn't have to move, right?

01:19:50.000 So that's how I was, if we tell these stories, right?

01:19:52.000 I'm a naive guy because it's a lot easier to be naive than to be worldly.

01:19:57.000 If we tell these stories, I think that the people of the West won't tolerate it.

01:20:01.000 If the people of the West demand their leaders act differently, then they will act differently.

01:20:04.000 And if they do act differently, we can change the world without putting boots on the ground, without spending money.

01:20:09.000 Do you want to do economic and security business with the U.S.?

01:20:11.000 You do?

01:20:12.000 Good. 1.00

01:20:12.000 Then stop throwing your homosexuals off rooftops, dumbass. 1.00

01:20:15.000 Right? 1.00

01:20:16.000 Stop persecuting your Christians. 0.99

01:20:17.000 Stop displacing your Muslims. 1.00

01:20:18.000 When George Bush Jr. 0.99

01:20:20.000 invaded Afghanistan and then all of a sudden we had this Muslim problem. 1.00

01:20:24.000 It was a problem with Muslim. 1.00

01:20:25.000 It was all of a sudden that felt very racist towards Muslims in Islam. 0.98

01:20:28.000 There's a lot of hate.

01:20:30.000 2003, 4, 5. 1.00

01:20:31.000 What do we have a Sikh that was shot because an idiot thought he was a Muslim? 0.99

01:20:36.000 So how do we being implicit in that? 1.00

01:20:38.000 Because sometimes I'm like, take the plank out of your own eye before you try and fix your neighbor.

01:20:42.000 Like there's a definitely some sort of problem here in the United States.

01:20:46.000 Obviously, it's global.

01:20:47.000 It's beyond nation.

01:20:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:48.000 Yeah.

01:20:49.000 How do we kind of unwind our own Do you see it anyway as part of the same problem?

01:20:53.000 Like we need to unwind our racism?

01:20:54.000 So if we are able to do Exile at ExileSeries.com, if we are able to do Exile, we'll do an episode here in this country because we do have very real problems with prejudice and discrimination, right?

01:21:04.000 They're not necessarily what have been identified by the groups that claim to speak for the oppressed groups.

01:21:10.000 But this is so simple.

01:21:12.000 And again, I think Offair talked about like, well, they say it's too simple.

01:21:15.000 I think we've overcomplicated things.

01:21:18.000 You simply say that as a point of entry to do economic or security business with the U.S., you have to pass these civil rights criteria.

01:21:25.000 You may not segregate or disallow the participation of any group based on sexuality, race, religion, et cetera.

01:21:37.000 And I think it works.

01:21:39.000 Because the world has to choose between getting in camp with the West and the U.S. 0.64

01:21:42.000 or China.

01:21:43.000 And China doesn't, they don't borrow, they take, right?

01:21:46.000 It might look like borrowing.

01:21:48.000 So I think it works.

01:21:49.000 The example I always like to use is Turkey during the Cold War.

01:21:52.000 I think I already spoke to this.

01:21:55.000 So we needed to control the Bosphorus, right?

01:21:57.000 Because we needed to keep the Soviets' Black Sea fleet from sneaking down into the Mediterranean and wreaking havoc in Europe. 0.55

01:22:03.000 So we said, Turkey, we want you on our team.

01:22:04.000 And they said, cool, we want to be on your team.

01:22:06.000 Meanwhile, they're persecuting their Christian community.

01:22:08.000 They're absolutely decimating their Kurdish community. 1.00

01:22:11.000 They passed a law.

01:22:12.000 These are our NATO allies, the Turks.

01:22:14.000 Who subsequently, in the last five years, actually put under siege a U.S.

01:22:17.000 base and held Americans hostage, and it never made the news, where there were tactical nuclear weapons.

01:22:23.000 But I digress.

01:22:24.000 So they passed a law that said there's no such thing as a Kurd, and the U.S.

01:22:27.000 didn't do a darn thing about it?

01:22:28.000 I'm gonna guess that if you say to Turkey, you can go be with the Soviets or you can be with us, but the price of being with us is not oppressing your minorities, that they're still with us.

01:22:37.000 I take that gamble.

01:22:38.000 There's challenges in, you know, how much the United States should be policing other countries.

01:22:44.000 So I think boots on the ground, I would always be opposed to.

01:22:46.000 But then there's the question of us knowing what's going on in China with the Uighur Muslims.

01:22:50.000 And then doing business with them anyway.

01:22:51.000 Right. And people like Mark Cuban and LeBron James being like,

01:22:55.000 oh, we gotta stop insulting China. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:22:58.000 Like, look, we don't want to go invade China or anything like that,

01:23:01.000 but we don't need to like be buying stuff made in Xinjiang.

01:23:04.000 So my head's gonna explode, right?

01:23:06.000 Because people go, oh, Muslims. 0.97

01:23:08.000 Dude, ISIS killed more Muslims than they did Christians or Yazidis, right? 0.72

01:23:12.000 It ain't even close.

01:23:14.000 So, and people go, oh, you're insulting China.

01:23:16.000 You know who suffers the most under the Chinese regime? 1.00

01:23:19.000 The freaking Chinese! 1.00

01:23:21.000 Right? 0.99

01:23:21.000 So don't tell me that by me speaking out against an authoritarian regime that stymies their people as it suits them. 0.99

01:23:28.000 I'm anti-Chinese. 1.00

01:23:29.000 I'm anti-oppression.

01:23:30.000 We do have a decent amount of viewers.

01:23:33.000 I have a lot of friends who are very much proud isolationists.

01:23:35.000 They're like, nope, America's for America.

01:23:37.000 We should focus on America.

01:23:38.000 We got to not be involved in that stuff.

01:23:40.000 And I don't agree.

01:23:41.000 I'm not, you know, I think there's a happy medium between like boots on the ground in a foreign country because of their concentration camps like China. 0.90

01:23:49.000 And hey, China, we decided not to buy those, you know, cloths from you because you have concentration camps. 0.99

01:23:55.000 This is totally liberty-based foreign policy.

01:23:57.000 It really is.

01:23:58.000 I'm not advocating for boots on the ground anywhere.

01:24:00.000 I'm advocating for not doing business with oppressors, right?

01:24:04.000 Now, things will happen that we will not know about, and things will happen on varying scales, and certainly hard and fast rules are tough sometimes, but we have absolutely positively turned a blind eye over decades, and the world knows it.

01:24:18.000 If, and this should, like here's the thing, I'm tired of the partisan back and forth rhetoric that they're wrong and we're right and this and that and the other.

01:24:25.000 We should be able to unite under the idea, right?

01:24:27.000 This is what ExileSeries.com is all about.

01:24:30.000 That you should be able to live in the place of your birth without fear.

01:24:33.000 Left and right should be able to get behind that.

01:24:35.000 And if the cost of it is that we choose to do business with people who treat their minority groups and their majority with basic human dignity, right?

01:24:45.000 Who can't get behind that?

01:24:46.000 But we don't, because nobody's ever said... I guess then the solution, or maybe you're suggesting economic sanctions against countries that... No, just don't do business with them.

01:24:54.000 Yeah, I guess that's... But you're talking about instead of the government, it's more of an individual choice, like you're inspiring individuals to... So when I buy a clock radio, to this day, and I don't buy clock radios anymore because it's 2022, but I'm old.

01:25:05.000 But so when I buy a product, to this day, I'm going to look on the box and try to ascertain where it's made.

01:25:08.000 And if I can buy a product that's made in Malaysia before I buy a product that's made in China, I'm buying the product made in Malaysia. 0.80

01:25:13.000 And if I can buy a product that's made in the United States and I pay a little bit more, to be fair, I'm going to buy that one too.

01:25:20.000 When I was in the military I used to say I don't want to pay for the bullet that might be used to shoot me because another little secret of the Chinese is the actual military apparatus owns a lot of the means of production. 0.95

01:25:29.000 So if you're in the American military and you're buying products made in China, you ironically enough are paying for weapons that will be pointed at you.

01:25:38.000 So yeah, it starts with the individual.

01:25:40.000 Or if you're a taxpayer.

01:25:41.000 I mean, just with all the coups that we funded and everything that's gone on in the Middle East and how we end up fighting rebel groups that we funded, so it's like, yeah, ultimately American troops are just gonna inevitably be shot with bullets that they paid for.

01:25:51.000 It's pretty insane.

01:25:52.000 And without gratuitously piling onto the debacle that was the Afghanistan withdrawal, it is not a question of if but when Americans are killed with American weapons.

01:26:00.000 Yeah.

01:26:01.000 I mean, it's just gonna happen if it hasn't already.

01:26:03.000 It's already happening.

01:26:03.000 Fast and furious.

01:26:04.000 Obama's whole give cartels guns thing.

01:26:08.000 Man, talk about failed leadership.

01:26:09.000 They've literally prioritized the political agenda over the lives of their very citizens.

01:26:15.000 And in the case of what we're trying to address at ExileSeries.com, they've politicized profit over the lives of their fellow human.

01:26:21.000 Nobody cares about the Uyghurs was refreshing because somebody told the truth. 1.00

01:26:26.000 Oh yeah!

01:26:27.000 The co-owner of the Golden State Warriors?

01:26:29.000 People were ragged on that guy because they were like, how dare he say that?

01:26:32.000 And I'm like, what, be honest with everyone?

01:26:34.000 He didn't say, I personally don't care about their plight.

01:26:36.000 He said, come on, nobody cares about this.

01:26:38.000 Let's be honest.

01:26:39.000 That should be the clarion call, they buried the lead.

01:26:42.000 We talk about the Uyghur Muslims concentration camps fairly frequently, and it's remarkable how, for one, a lot of people don't know, and a lot of people do, literally don't care.

01:26:54.000 Like I said, look, I know it's not easy for the average person to find that solution, but try to buy American, even if it costs a little more, and there's a happy medium, like I said, between invading the country, declaring war, and just being like, you know, you shot that Disney movie?

01:27:08.000 In the province with the security force of concentration camps.

01:27:10.000 We're not going to watch that movie.

01:27:12.000 No, but people don't don't know or care.

01:27:14.000 Yeah, well, and if everything I was discussing earlier, you know, the fact that these Hollywood screenwriters and executives at these studios actually hate you and your way of life isn't enough to encourage you to stop purchasing their products.

01:27:26.000 They're also in league and catering to people who are running actual concentration camps.

01:27:31.000 For real, right?

01:27:32.000 I mean, like, that's not hyperbolic.

01:27:33.000 That's not hyperbolic.

01:27:34.000 So you asked earlier, what's the elevator pitch?

01:27:38.000 And of course, I would like to wait 20 minutes to answer questions.

01:27:41.000 The elevator pitch is Hollywood won't make this movie, this doc series.

01:27:45.000 They won't.

01:27:46.000 And if you go to xlseries.com, shameless plug, and you click on that trailer, and you don't think that's freaking world-class product, right?

01:27:53.000 To tell these stories.

01:27:56.000 It may be the best, but you did insult China, so I'm sorry we can't fund your project.

01:28:01.000 It reminds me of like a Vice doc in the early days of Vice, when they were just like the darkest places.

01:28:06.000 How much money can we make if we air this?

01:28:09.000 We could make money.

01:28:10.000 How much money can we lose if we air this?

01:28:12.000 We could lose more.

01:28:14.000 What's the right thing to do?

01:28:16.000 Make money! 0.99

01:28:17.000 Holy crap, we're screwed, right? 0.99

01:28:18.000 That's where we are. 0.99

01:28:19.000 And it's just, I mean, like, can you believe it?

01:28:23.000 That's not, that's not rhetorical.

01:28:24.000 Can you believe it?

01:28:25.000 If we're at the point where, and we are, where these big networks are like, let's make a movie, but don't offend China, China's winning.

01:28:32.000 China's won.

01:28:33.000 And then what? 0.93

01:28:34.000 I mean, they're some of the worst human rights abusers on the planet.

01:28:37.000 Well, is it Khrushchev?

01:28:38.000 And I'm going to butcher the quote, he said, you will manufacture the rope that we use 0.98

01:28:41.000 to hang you. 0.97

01:28:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:28:43.000 Right.

01:28:44.000 Again, when money drives you, when money and not justice and that which is right drives

01:28:47.000 you.

01:28:48.000 It's like the free Hong Kong stuff.

01:28:50.000 You know, when the NBA wouldn't allow you to make a Free Hong Kong jersey to order.

01:28:54.000 Or the Hearthstone player, it's a card game, held up Free Hong Kong and they're like, get him out of there.

01:29:00.000 Look, I do think there's some rational argument in keep politics out of some of these things.

01:29:05.000 But when the NBA can't, like you're trying to buy a custom jersey for yourself and you're like, I want Free Hong Kong.

01:29:09.000 I'm like, no.

01:29:10.000 Or there was that guy who got kicked out because he had the Free Hong Kong sign at the NBA.

01:29:14.000 Like, yo, American corporations.

01:29:16.000 I'll even say this.

01:29:18.000 It's one thing if you are like Mark Cuban actively defending China.

01:29:23.000 It's one thing if you are like, you know, look, we don't want politics in here.

01:29:28.000 And then it's funny when an American corporation is actively defending China from protesters in America.

01:29:35.000 Like that is just a whole new level.

01:29:37.000 Corpianism.

01:29:38.000 What?

01:29:38.000 It's communism and corporatism.

01:29:40.000 Right?

01:29:41.000 Remember?

01:29:41.000 You can use that one, man.

01:29:43.000 That's great.

01:29:44.000 Corpianism.

01:29:46.000 Well, so like the left used to rail against the corporations and now their agenda is funded by and at some level dictated by the corporations, but we won't go down that road.

01:29:54.000 Um, and they used to stand up for free speech and now, you know, you must adhere to the orthodoxy.

01:29:59.000 I mean, like it's, it's dystopian.

01:30:03.000 It's remarkable how one of the points brought up by one of our Super Chatters the other day was that they say black people can't be racist, but Candace Owens is racist. 0.98

01:30:13.000 Exactly.

01:30:15.000 I'm lost, man.

01:30:16.000 I get it.

01:30:17.000 It makes no sense on purpose, I suppose, but sure, whatever.

01:30:20.000 When I went into Sudan against everyone's wishes and snatched these two guys out and met them at the airport, I didn't take a camera crew because I'm a crappy politician.

01:30:27.000 Because I felt like it would be dirty to do that. 0.73

01:30:29.000 But meanwhile, I'm being called a racist.

01:30:31.000 It just baffles me.

01:30:33.000 I'm literally risking my life again and again and again, as a white Christian male, for people of different races, ethnicities, and faiths.

01:30:42.000 And I'm being called a racist.

01:30:44.000 How many throughout time have been demonized that actually did good?

01:30:48.000 Like Lucifer.

01:30:49.000 Let's take the worst demon of all.

01:30:52.000 How do you know that he was evil?

01:30:53.000 Because history told you he did wrong?

01:30:55.000 Yes.

01:30:56.000 People talk about calling you a racist.

01:31:02.000 I'm not down for the same crazy argument.

01:31:06.000 I can't stand the way propaganda works against individuals the way they try to tear people down.

01:31:10.000 I just thought you were going to do the Alinsky book for us.

01:31:12.000 No, but I think it would be fascinating to see you both do your own conversation on religion.

01:31:19.000 Hippie Ian DMT spirituality with, you know, Seamus Christianity and have that conversation and, you know, it'd be fascinating.

01:31:26.000 It doesn't have to be about the Christian Bible.

01:31:27.000 I know that the Bible is very divisive about good and evil.

01:31:30.000 So I wonder if like, I think of that as propaganda too.

01:31:32.000 Do you think that's evil?

01:31:34.000 What propaganda itself?

01:31:34.000 Is the Bible too divisive about good and evil?

01:31:36.000 Oh yeah.

01:31:36.000 If the Catholic church actually devised a plan to manipulate people, that's evil.

01:31:40.000 Well, no, but you're saying it's too divisive about good and evil.

01:31:43.000 Like, what's wrong with talking good and evil?

01:31:45.000 Because if you're the one that gets to decide what's good and what's evil, and you tell people, like, this is evil, then you're controlling people's behavior.

01:31:52.000 But you're saying what the church is doing is evil.

01:31:55.000 And you're controlling my behavior.

01:31:56.000 You guys should have a conversation later on.

01:31:58.000 Seamus has told me that I shouldn't consume product from Hollywood, but I've already made a lock stock reference earlier, and I'm about to quote Kaiser Sosay.

01:32:05.000 So, right?

01:32:06.000 The greatest trick that the devil ever pulled is convincing us he didn't exist.

01:32:09.000 Amen.

01:32:10.000 So until you can identify some baseline for right and wrong, right?

01:32:16.000 Liberty is ultimately allowing your freedom stops where mine starts, allowing people to make any decision they want to for themselves until it begins to impact others.

01:32:23.000 And so what I'm advocating for is a world where we can all do that.

01:32:29.000 But when you start hurting other people, then we have a duty, I think, particularly people lucky enough to be born here, to say, no, no, I can't support it.

01:32:37.000 We're literally supporting it.

01:32:39.000 That's the thing.

01:32:40.000 It's not even a question of going over there and doing something.

01:32:43.000 It's just a question of not supporting it from here.

01:32:46.000 Oh, should we go intervene in Ukraine?

01:32:48.000 Hell no! 0.93

01:32:49.000 But we should let the Ukrainians help themselves.

01:32:52.000 All right, let's go to Super Chats.

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01:33:11.000 But let's read what y'all have to say.

01:33:13.000 All right, let's see.

01:33:15.000 Cheeseburger says, arguing with Ian be like jelly, wrestling, and eel.

01:33:21.000 That's a wonderful bunch of noises that someone just made.

01:33:26.000 All right.

01:33:28.000 Jamis Tefferson says, hello, I'm from PA and appreciate you covering this news as actual journalists with a broader perspective than the local stations.

01:33:35.000 No offense to them.

01:33:36.000 What are your thoughts on Governor Tom Wolf?

01:33:38.000 Didn't he kill a bunch of old people? 1.00

01:33:39.000 I think he did too, yeah. 0.96

01:33:40.000 Yeah, sounds like not a good guy.

01:33:42.000 Yeah, so.

01:33:43.000 Alright.

01:33:44.000 Bradley Heaton says, Big fan.

01:33:46.000 I think you used the term objective incorrectly.

01:33:48.000 Objective evil can only exist if a creator exists.

01:33:51.000 Objective evil would be any against that entity.

01:33:54.000 Human evil is subjective.

01:33:56.000 Objective is without emotion.

01:33:57.000 We can subjectively determine evil.

01:34:02.000 Point taken, but I don't think I used objectively wrong.

01:34:06.000 But I do think, you know, I can clarify, and this was on the member segment, I think we were talking about this.

01:34:10.000 And my point is, in the human experience, there is evil that is universal to all humans.

01:34:16.000 All humans can identify certain things as evil.

01:34:18.000 That's my point.

01:34:19.000 Yeah, I mean, we have certain moral intuitions, and again, human perception doesn't define whether something is good or evil, but I think it's a good point, because we wouldn't say, for example, if every single person in this room was able to observe that there was this water bottle here, we wouldn't say, well, but we don't actually know for sure the water bottle's there, because our senses could be deceiving us, yet we tend to do the same thing with morality.

01:34:39.000 Yeah.

01:34:40.000 So the baseline, again, is when do you start to harm others?

01:34:40.000 Right.

01:34:43.000 Right?

01:34:43.000 You can do whatever you want until my liberty stops.

01:34:45.000 Well, I think for a libertarian analysis, but I would also say with morality, we have an obligation not to harm ourselves and to take care of ourselves, etc.

01:34:52.000 I'm thinking about it from the perspective of the CCP.

01:34:54.000 Like, are they saying the Uyghurs are harming us by existing? 1.00

01:34:57.000 Just their existence is a threat to our species?

01:35:02.000 Their value structure is a threat to the regime, right? 0.62

01:35:05.000 I think they're the Borg and they're evil.

01:35:08.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like from this perspective.

01:35:10.000 The CCP is the Borg.

01:35:12.000 That's kind of how I see it.

01:35:13.000 But from their perspective, the Uyghurs are a threat to their way of life. 1.00

01:35:16.000 Another thing that's been going on is back before they got rid of their one-child policy, they weren't adhering to it in the rural outlying areas anyway.

01:35:23.000 And the Han Chinese are like, if you want real racism, Right, so the Uyghurs aren't Han Chinese, and they don't want more of those people thing with them. 0.99

01:35:32.000 Let's read some more.

01:35:33.000 We got Araftus of Stett.

01:35:35.000 Hey Seamus, Mormon here. 1.00

01:35:37.000 Just wanted to say that polygamy hasn't been practiced with the church's approval since 1890, and divorce isn't legal either.

01:35:43.000 I think it's important to remember churches are made up of the same flawed humans.

01:35:47.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:35:48.000 I would, I'd have to defer to Carrie on that if she were still here. 1.00

01:35:51.000 According to a lot of people I've spoken to who either were former Mormons, it's something that has occurred but not necessarily within the church or not something that the church endorses anymore.

01:36:02.000 I think the fact that you have to like go back on a teaching, and this is with all due respect by the way because I actually do appreciate your super chat and I'm not just like here to bludgeon you for disagreeing with me and obviously you know more about Mormonism than I do and there's plenty I could learn about it from you.

01:36:16.000 But I would say that a church having to say, we speak for God, but God was wrong about this, or we were wrong about this, is an indicator that it's not the true church.

01:36:23.000 So for it to change its position on polygamy is actually condemning in and of itself.

01:36:27.000 But wait, you're saying that if any kind of church reforms, then that is satanic, that is evil?

01:36:33.000 So if the church— Satanic. I don't know if that's the right word.

01:36:35.000 So no, it's a good question because there can sort of be like administrative changes

01:36:39.000 or there can be changes in terms of what practices are occurring, but if a religion says, this

01:36:44.000 is immutable morality from God, and then later on they change it, then they're basically

01:36:49.000 saying either A, God changed his mind, and I believe that that's an incoherent idea,

01:36:55.000 or B, like God changed his mind about fundamental morality, or B, we got it wrong in the first

01:37:00.000 place in which case why do you trust them to get it right now?

01:37:03.000 Did you think that Lutheranism was a heresy?

01:37:05.000 Absolutely, yeah.

01:37:06.000 That's why it's called Lutheranism.

01:37:07.000 The Catholic Church names a heresy after the person who started it, generally speaking.

01:37:10.000 So that's why Lutheranism is called Lutheranism, actually.

01:37:12.000 Luther called himself a Reformer and actually called himself a Catholic.

01:37:15.000 The Catholic Church called him a Lutheran and his followers Lutherans.

01:37:18.000 Interesting.

01:37:19.000 Yeah.

01:37:19.000 All right.

01:37:19.000 Well, you guys should have a longer conversation on this.

01:37:21.000 Yeah.

01:37:22.000 But let's read some more superchats.

01:37:23.000 By the way, thank you for your superchat too, because I do appreciate being challenged and having these kinds of discussions.

01:37:27.000 All right.

01:37:28.000 VBDC says, where in West Virginia is Freedomistan?

01:37:31.000 Nice try.

01:37:32.000 And when does Timcast music launch?

01:37:34.000 Can I help run it?

01:37:35.000 I've had a number one reggae album on iTunes a couple of weeks ago.

01:37:39.000 Purebloods. 0.94

01:37:39.000 P.S. 0.94

01:37:40.000 No Ian, we fleeing.

01:37:42.000 Love that.

01:37:43.000 We are producing music.

01:37:44.000 I just recorded scratch track vocals for one song we're putting together.

01:37:48.000 Fairly rough.

01:37:49.000 I just did like two takes and there are a few sour notes in there You know what happens like I'm not I'm not the greatest singer in the world or anything like that But I can I can get it just take me like you know six or seven takes to get a good run-through and We should be having a few songs coming out soon I think we might even have like we might end up with like five songs all at once ready to go and then make some videos for them and And, uh, we're talking with some of our good friends about producing music.

01:38:12.000 One of the things I really want to do is send one of our tracks to, uh, The Daily Wire and see if Ben Shapiro could drop some violin on it.

01:38:18.000 Oh my goodness.

01:38:19.000 I'm not even kidding.

01:38:20.000 And then, uh, you know, like, Sidney Watson plays piano and sings, and then Jack Posobiec plays bass, and, uh, James O'Keefe sings.

01:38:26.000 So I'm like, why don't we just, like, ask people to do a quick recording, and then we'll throw it in the mix, and then we'll have this crazy song of all of these different, you know, people.

01:38:34.000 First of all, you should invite Ben Shapiro to rap.

01:38:36.000 Yes.

01:38:37.000 Secondly, you should have invited me to play harmonica, but I get it, you don't love me.

01:38:41.000 Yeah, I mean, if Ben Shapiro was down to rap on a song, it would be an honor and a privilege.

01:38:47.000 Even if you paused to think about what he was talking about.

01:38:51.000 Gangster's paradise, man.

01:38:54.000 Okay, gang.

01:38:54.000 Can you combine Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro?

01:38:57.000 Yeah, I've actually done that before on a stream.

01:38:58.000 gang okay thanks here's the thing okay gang yeah he's a lot can you do can you

01:39:01.000 combine Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro yeah I've actually done that before yeah

01:39:06.000 so so um we can either do like Shapiro's voice with Peterson's cadence or

01:39:12.000 Peterson's voice so I go honestly if you're gonna tell me that universal

01:39:15.000 health care is a good idea for America you're wasting my time

01:39:17.000 Okay, gang.

01:39:19.000 Okay, gang?

01:39:21.000 Alright, alright, alright.

01:39:22.000 DJ White says, what if we removed names and parties from the ballot and instead put issues on the ballot and whomever matches the position on that issue gets the vote?

01:39:29.000 Make their positions known, though.

01:39:31.000 Because primaries would be confusing.

01:39:33.000 You'd have, like, a big list of pro-choice.

01:39:35.000 It'd be like, one, pro-choice.

01:39:36.000 Two, pro-choice.

01:39:37.000 Three, pro-choice.

01:39:38.000 And you'd be like, I don't know, the second one, I guess?

01:39:39.000 And then who are you voting for?

01:39:40.000 Who puts the gun to their head and makes them keep their word?

01:39:43.000 Yeah, right.

01:39:44.000 Maybe that's... Metaphorically, just so we don't get... Well, we talked about this.

01:39:49.000 We talked about Ian proposed arresting politicians who signed bills without reading them.

01:39:53.000 Interesting.

01:39:55.000 I had a bill called the Read It Act because they dropped like 20,000 pages on us and said, we're going to go in tomorrow and vote on it.

01:40:01.000 And so Read It Act stood for review every Review every enactment, detailed and total or something.

01:40:08.000 I'm just trying to be clever.

01:40:09.000 Dude, of course I couldn't get a vote on that one either.

01:40:12.000 So what the bill said was that we were entitled to, without sleep, five minutes per page or one minute per page per piece of legislation before it was brought to a vote.

01:40:20.000 And everyone's like, what are you trying to do?

01:40:22.000 Without sleep.

01:40:23.000 We have to.

01:40:24.000 Yeah, without including sleeper trips to the bathroom, right?

01:40:26.000 Why would they do that?

01:40:27.000 That must be because they want to ramrod it through.

01:40:29.000 Of course it's because they want to ramrod it through.

01:40:31.000 And if anybody stands up and says that in front of a microphone, then they won't get money from the NRCC or the DCCC to get reelected.

01:40:39.000 And what's NRCC?

01:40:40.000 National Republican Congressional Committee.

01:40:42.000 It's all about that party, getting that money.

01:40:43.000 It's what I told you, man.

01:40:44.000 There's four people in that building that have any power.

01:40:46.000 It's the Majority Leader and the Minority Leader on one side, and the Speaker and the Minority Leader on the other.

01:40:49.000 What about crowds?

01:40:50.000 Like, if you crowdfund everything, so you're... and it's all about the people.

01:40:53.000 Campaign finance is supposed to be crowdfunding, except the donor lists are all kept and held tight by the... yeah.

01:40:58.000 Alright, let's read this.

01:41:03.000 Am I the only one who thinks Seamus' impression of Jordan Peterson sounds like Kermit the Frog?

01:41:07.000 Love the show.

01:41:07.000 I came for Tim, but stayed for Ian.

01:41:09.000 I mean, that's just how Jordan Peterson sounds.

01:41:10.000 I love Jordan Peterson, but that's like... Kermit's more like this, a little... Jordan Peterson's a bit higher.

01:41:16.000 He's more up here.

01:41:17.000 The way he says his O's is like, goologist.

01:41:20.000 Not doing it.

01:41:21.000 Yeah.

01:41:21.000 And the way, like say psychologist.

01:41:23.000 Psychologist.

01:41:24.000 Yeah, goologist.

01:41:24.000 It's Canadian.

01:41:26.000 It's like Canadian Kermit the Frog.

01:41:27.000 It's a science.

01:41:28.000 Exactly.

01:41:30.000 JustinForce says, the media cheered when demonstrators risked derailing a train by setting fire to the tracks, but call it fascism to use peaceful non-compliance against the government.

01:41:39.000 That should be the greatest wake-up call.

01:41:42.000 Take that cartoon showing working class people protesting, where it says they're fascists, and share it with your friends and family.

01:41:47.000 And then when you have a family member who's like, I don't believe this, I watch CNN, be like, do you think it's fascist if working class people are fighting back against the elites?

01:41:54.000 And like, well, no, of course not.

01:41:55.000 Here's the Washington Post saying, stop the people from resisting us.

01:41:59.000 You know what's so evil? 0.97

01:42:01.000 Those fascist truckers. 0.93

01:42:02.000 We have political cartoonists who want fascist truckers in the workforce. 0.93

01:42:07.000 I thought the whole idea is we wanted to push these people out of the system, get them canceled, take their jobs from them.

01:42:12.000 And they want those fascist truckers back on the job? 0.83

01:42:15.000 Insane. 0.96

01:42:16.000 They're not anti-fascist enough?

01:42:17.000 Not anti-fascist. 0.99

01:42:18.000 Shut up and get to work. 1.00

01:42:20.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:42:20.000 They are protecting the jobs of fascists. 1.00

01:42:23.000 So, Lydia, you said you checked my Twitter, and so I got called out by Dinesh D'Souza because I tweeted at one point, like, anti-fascism is something I think we can all get behind.

01:42:36.000 And Dinesh D'Souza goes, now we've got conservative Republicans saying they're part of Antifa.

01:42:39.000 And I'm like, no, literally, I think anti-fascism is something we could all get behind.

01:42:44.000 So, ah.

01:42:45.000 Yeah.

01:42:46.000 But they use clever word games.

01:42:47.000 They do.

01:42:48.000 So that if you ever say you're, you know, you oppose fascism, then you must be a communist.

01:42:52.000 Oh, you're not pro-choice?

01:42:53.000 You mean you don't want to allow anyone to choose to do their own thing?

01:42:56.000 Right.

01:42:56.000 Oh, okay then.

01:42:56.000 Yeah.

01:42:57.000 WattFandom says, have you seen the latest information on the Shroud of Turin?

01:43:01.000 Proven to be authentic.

01:43:02.000 I have not seen that.

01:43:03.000 Have you seen that?

01:43:03.000 Let's check it out.

01:43:04.000 I haven't seen the latest information.

01:43:05.000 I know it's something that's gone back and forth.

01:43:06.000 I believe it's authentic, but it's a much longer discussion.

01:43:08.000 Really?

01:43:09.000 This is the shroud that they apparently buried Jesus in.

01:43:11.000 Yes.

01:43:11.000 They said they recovered it at some point.

01:43:13.000 It's like an, it's like an artifact.

01:43:14.000 Interesting.

01:43:15.000 But they can't carbon date it because it was in a fire or something?

01:43:18.000 I don't remember all the details.

01:43:19.000 It's been a while since I've looked at this.

01:43:21.000 There's a lot.

01:43:23.000 It goes pretty deep and people have been very back and forth on it.

01:43:26.000 All right, let's read this.

01:43:26.000 We got Mr. Obvious says, I don't agree with immigration in a time where there's not enough to go around for Americans.

01:43:32.000 America has starving children and people living in poverty.

01:43:35.000 They are hurt hardest by an influx of cheap labor.

01:43:38.000 I just don't know how to stop it.

01:43:39.000 How do you stop an immigration? 1.00

01:43:41.000 I know one way to stop it that they did historically, and we're not doing that.

01:43:44.000 At the very least, they could be like, you have entered the country illegally. 0.98

01:43:47.000 We will now send you back. 0.99

01:43:48.000 And at the very most, you look at what the Romans would do, which is just take families and tribes and cities worth of people that were trying to migrate across the river and kill them all. 0.92

01:43:56.000 So like... Yeah, no, no, no, we don't do that.

01:43:58.000 So how do you deal with...

01:43:58.000 No.

01:44:00.000 You don't put them on secret charter flights to New York and Tennessee.

01:44:02.000 We're not even trying to control our borders.

01:44:04.000 How do you deal with it though?

01:44:05.000 You put them on secret charter flights back to the countries where they originate from.

01:44:09.000 Back to where they're citizens.

01:44:11.000 The wall, I used to laugh at it.

01:44:13.000 I kind of understand.

01:44:15.000 See, this is the funniest thing.

01:44:17.000 When Trump was like, I'm going to build a big beautiful wall from sea to shining sea, 30 feet high or whatever.

01:44:21.000 And then the wall just got 10 feet higher and all that stuff.

01:44:24.000 And the left was like, walls don't work.

01:44:26.000 And then I think it was Greece built a three meter high fence and illegal immigration dropped by 95%.

01:44:30.000 Oh my goodness.

01:44:32.000 It was just a chain link fence.

01:44:33.000 They didn't even put money into it.

01:44:34.000 So when everybody was being driven out of the Middle East by ISIS, Turkey actually had a wall built between themselves and the Kurdish populations in Iraq, Syria, and Iran, and the EU paid for it.

01:44:43.000 And I'm like, there it is!

01:44:45.000 Also, how could you even say something like that?

01:44:47.000 Walls don't work.

01:44:48.000 Obviously it's going to stop some people.

01:44:50.000 This is a matter of probability.

01:44:52.000 Yeah but they like to show videos where like someone skinny and can slip through the bothered fencing and or where it's not complete people walk through it and it's like you this was really funny they'd be like Trump didn't complete any of the wall he only built the fencing where there were already fences and what they don't show you is that the original fence is like a four foot high log on a post yeah and the new the new wall is a three layer barrier and what they don't tell you is that the areas that Trump reinforced were the hot spots where all of the people were constantly coming through.

01:45:21.000 So they reinforced the most, you know, the worst spots.

01:45:25.000 Okay. 1.00

01:45:26.000 The idea that walls don't work is the stupidest thing ever. 0.99

01:45:29.000 We live in walls. 1.00

01:45:30.000 An argument trumpeted by people who live in gated communities.

01:45:33.000 Exactly.

01:45:33.000 That's right.

01:45:35.000 Like people, and yes, people break into gated communities sometimes.

01:45:38.000 No one is claiming that a wall would stop 100% of everybody.

01:45:40.000 But it would help.

01:45:41.000 Yes.

01:45:43.000 Alright, let's see what we got here.

01:45:45.000 This is, uh, Murph says, Shamus, another way to think of a nation taking care of their own is a parent who will feed the other kids in the neighborhood, thinking it's charitable, but not feeding their own children.

01:45:54.000 This gets back to the principle of subsidiarity, which is that, that which is most appropriate to you is that which is closest to you.

01:45:54.000 Exactly.

01:45:59.000 You have certain responsibilities that you need to fulfill before you go and try to take care of everybody else.

01:46:04.000 So part of the devolution away from a brilliant system that we were bequeathed by our founders is not prioritizing those things for which government is actually responsible.

01:46:15.000 So when I was doing state work, I would ask myself first, is this appropriate for government?

01:46:21.000 But the most important question is at this level.

01:46:23.000 Because the county doesn't need an army, but the federal government should probably have one, right?

01:46:28.000 So yeah, we've just lost it.

01:46:29.000 We've completely lost it.

01:46:31.000 No politician wants to vote against anything that's a good idea because it could hurt them.

01:46:35.000 Instead of saying to the body politic, to the electorate, hey look guys, this might be a good idea.

01:46:39.000 It's not our job, right?

01:46:41.000 Like if you want, and I live in a rural area, if you want the government to, if you want good high-speed internet, don't let the federal government pay for it, right?

01:46:50.000 Think about when you try to call the IRS.

01:46:52.000 But your county government might have an appropriate role in that.

01:46:54.000 So, all right.

01:46:56.000 Atherin says, I want to recommend, quote, the science of storytelling by Will Storr.

01:47:03.000 And he explains the neuroscience of storytelling.

01:47:05.000 Tom said, these guys ain't lying.

01:47:07.000 They've drunk the Kool-Aid.

01:47:08.000 This book explains how and why.

01:47:10.000 Very interesting.

01:47:11.000 Sniper says, ever since I heard about the Uyghur Muslims and what China was doing to them,

01:47:17.000 I'll never forget it.

01:47:18.000 And I'll never, I'll never, ever stop thinking about it.

01:47:21.000 Yeah, it's crazy, man. 0.63

01:47:22.000 The Falun Gong's crazy, too. 0.98

01:47:23.000 The Falun Gong's very crazy. 0.99

01:47:25.000 And the crazy propaganda they try to run here in the U.S. 0.62

01:47:28.000 I get comments still.

01:47:30.000 I don't know if I'm going to.

01:47:30.000 I probably will.

01:47:31.000 Whenever I talk about the Chinese government, the CCP, I get people on Twitter usually are like, you, you've fallen for the propaganda.

01:47:37.000 The CCP is totally benevolent.

01:47:39.000 There's no evidence.

01:47:40.000 And like, I don't know who to believe.

01:47:42.000 What I love is in Virginia, we have free Tibet license plates always on cars belonging to people who would never do anything to sanction the Chinese who suppressed and subjugated Tibet.

01:47:51.000 Those are the Falun Gong in Tibet?

01:47:53.000 No, no, the Falun Gong is more to the east, but Tibet's a nation state that's been essentially subsumed by China.

01:48:01.000 So we're going to free Tibet, but I'm not willing to lift a finger to do it.

01:48:05.000 And again, we're not talking about troops on the ground.

01:48:06.000 We're talking about standing up and saying, you guys, that's not right.

01:48:09.000 All right.

01:48:10.000 Marco says, Hey Tim, I heard you were interested in having representatives from West Virginia on.

01:48:14.000 How would someone go about scheduling with you guys to get on?

01:48:17.000 Uh, I don't know.

01:48:19.000 I don't know.

01:48:20.000 We can, we can, we can look, well, we'll have to look at the West Virginia reps and then reach out to them, I suppose.

01:48:26.000 It's the problem with politicians, sorry, politicians, is that We'll reach out and be like, hey, we'd love to have you on the show, you know, this thing happened, and they'll say, oh man, we'd love to come on.

01:48:36.000 Send an email to this person, and we go, you got it, and then we do, and they never respond.

01:48:40.000 Why is that?

01:48:41.000 Somebody somewhere who is not elected by anyone has read something on the internet where they deem that there's a greater risk than reward from having been on your show.

01:48:50.000 This is why, for the most part, I'm just not interested in asking politicians to come on.

01:48:56.000 Only some and a few.

01:48:58.000 We've reached out to some and they've agreed to.

01:49:02.000 And I will say this, we're planning on having Dan Crenshaw on the show.

01:49:05.000 We reached out to him and he was like, we'll find a time.

01:49:07.000 And then he was like, yeah, I can make it work and respect him for doing it.

01:49:12.000 A lot of people are mad at him for a lot of different things that happened in the press, but he's willing to come on the show and talk about whatever and whenever.

01:49:18.000 So I'm Awesome.

01:49:20.000 Glad it's going to happen.

01:49:21.000 From your perspective, Tom, having been a politician, do you think that there's value to doing shows like this as a politician?

01:49:26.000 Dude, so my fear with ExiledSeries.com is that we'll get cubbyholed as a right-wing thing or a Christian thing or whatever thing.

01:49:33.000 This is a human freedom thing.

01:49:36.000 But I tell you, if there is a podcast that is the opposite of TimCast, I'll go on.

01:49:43.000 Because this is a story that we should be able to freaking believe in, right?

01:49:47.000 Look, the issue right now is, obviously everybody knows, if you ask me, I'm just like, Civil War.

01:49:53.000 In whatever form that may take, it's not going to look like it was in the 1800s, but we're here when Joe Rogan, who believes in universal basic income, who supported Bernie Sanders, had him on his show, and often touts, you know, relatively like left social

01:50:09.000 policy and left economic policy is called far-right, dangerous misinformation over like one guest.

01:50:15.000 Look, they're claiming he's alt-right, far-right and all that stuff and Joe's almost a socialist.

01:50:22.000 So it doesn't even matter what the It breaks down to this.

01:50:27.000 If the show tells the truth, it's going to be called right-wing.

01:50:30.000 If the show lies, it's probably establishment, corporate, or democratic.

01:50:35.000 In Mao's China, they would be considered left-wing.

01:50:38.000 They were all leftists.

01:50:39.000 Or no, they were rightists.

01:50:40.000 They would condemn the rightists.

01:50:42.000 So stand by for the cancelling of Bill Maher in like 3, 2, 1, right?

01:50:45.000 As soon as you start getting out of the orthodoxy, Maybe.

01:50:49.000 Or Bill Maher is a fair-weather liberal who waited until it was safe enough, and now he's coming out and criticizing all this stuff two years later because we might be seeing the end of the pandemic.

01:50:58.000 So he may just be another corporate shill.

01:51:01.000 I just, again though, I mean, we talked about the vaccine, right?

01:51:08.000 Donald Trump rams through a vaccine and 1 14th of the time that this historical scientific protocol dictates, right?

01:51:14.000 Why do we have these review periods?

01:51:16.000 Two reasons.

01:51:17.000 Primarily, number one, to make sure there's efficacy and number two, that the harm doesn't outweigh the benefit.

01:51:21.000 We throw those rules out the window.

01:51:23.000 The same group of people who said everything this guy does is evil are like, you gotta go get the vaccine.

01:51:29.000 And I'm like, there's no consistency anyway.

01:51:31.000 Well, yeah, yeah.

01:51:32.000 So in 2020, you have all these people saying they would never get it.

01:51:36.000 Now these are the people saying you better go get it or else.

01:51:38.000 Politicizing medicine is dangerous.

01:51:40.000 It's all tribal. 0.98

01:51:42.000 It's all tribal, you know. 0.98

01:51:43.000 And because of this, It's difficult to have certain conversations on YouTube because YouTube is clearly within one tribe, but you know what?

01:51:51.000 I think we're winning.

01:51:52.000 But I'm not advocating for a decision either way.

01:51:54.000 I'm advocating for a thorough review of the facts, right?

01:51:57.000 I said earlier, like the last radio show I did, there was a philosophical argument and the question was, if you can choose between truth and freedom, which do you choose?

01:52:04.000 My answer is choose truth, it will beget freedom.

01:52:06.000 We're losing truth, therefore it is reasonable to presume that if we lose it, we'll lose freedom.

01:52:12.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:52:13.000 We got DW.

01:52:13.000 He says, YouTuber CRS Firearms was arrested yesterday by the ATF for made-up bogus charges.

01:52:20.000 Please let people know to look him up and support him.

01:52:23.000 Well, I don't know much about it, but y'all can look it up and see what's going on there.

01:52:28.000 All right.

01:52:30.000 Brian says, there has to be a federal law that prohibits media companies from being traded on the stock market, taking the corporate out of corporate media.

01:52:37.000 Perhaps, perhaps.

01:52:40.000 I don't know that that would solve the problem of them being horrible.

01:52:43.000 Yeah, they're just... I don't know.

01:52:45.000 Because of course NPR is completely reliable.

01:52:47.000 They're not publicly traded.

01:52:50.000 And Google's alphabet's not a media corporation.

01:52:54.000 Burrito Boy says, The Canadian government's propaganda wing has labeled the Freedom Convoy a white supremacist movement.

01:52:54.000 All right.

01:53:00.000 Makes you wonder about agent provocateurs.

01:53:02.000 Also, first ever super chat.

01:53:04.000 Love the show.

01:53:04.000 Keep it up.

01:53:05.000 Hey, appreciate it.

01:53:08.000 Hot Dog says, do Anthony Fauci singing Tragedy from the Bee Gees.

01:53:12.000 Which song is that?

01:53:13.000 I don't know, but I think Fauci would sing Stayin' Alive about the vaccine.

01:53:18.000 That's a good one.

01:53:21.000 I'm stayin' alive.

01:53:22.000 I'm wearing two masks.

01:53:24.000 By the way, I use my walk.

01:53:27.000 I'm a woman's man.

01:53:28.000 No time to talk.

01:53:32.000 Because the droplets will come out and land on your grandmother. 0.87

01:53:36.000 I was listening to Fauci and Rand Paul and I was like, my voice doesn't really sound like Rand Paul.

01:53:42.000 No, it sounds pretty good.

01:53:43.000 I thought you were going to say I was listening to the Bee Gees for a second.

01:53:46.000 Well, it's like I do a very gruff version.

01:53:48.000 It works, dude.

01:53:49.000 Also, people can't tell it's your voice.

01:53:51.000 I know, that's really funny.

01:53:52.000 So I voiced Fauci on his cartoon.

01:53:54.000 And people are like, no way, that's Tim.

01:53:56.000 It was cool, I was listening to it, but I'd forgotten it was you.

01:54:00.000 But I was listening to it and it was like, that's awesome.

01:54:01.000 I was like, oh yeah, I love that when you forget your friend is the character.

01:54:04.000 Seamus, Alex Jones into me.

01:54:07.000 Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah, don't, don't, don't, no, don't say anymore.

01:54:10.000 You and I are gonna, I just don't want to say anymore.

01:54:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:13.000 All right.

01:54:14.000 Lane says, Ian is like a D&D character who rolls either a 1 or 20 for perception checks on conversations.

01:54:20.000 I always loved the, oh, is there more?

01:54:22.000 Wouldn't be the same without him.

01:54:22.000 Yeah.

01:54:24.000 Lovey, Seamus have been a fan of you longer than I have Tim.

01:54:24.000 P.S.

01:54:27.000 Hot topic.

01:54:27.000 I love you, thank you.

01:54:28.000 I just want to say real quick, Ian, this is correct.

01:54:31.000 You either roll a 1 or a 20.

01:54:32.000 And it's not by design.

01:54:34.000 Wait, it is by design, that's what I meant.

01:54:36.000 I like playing the Fallout run-through every once in a while. 1.00

01:54:39.000 If you're going to play Fallout with a really stupid character, because they have a whole new form of dialogue choices when they're really stupid. 1.00

01:54:46.000 It's funny. 1.00

01:54:46.000 Yeah, I think that's funny too. 1.00

01:54:47.000 So, do you understand D&D at all?

01:54:49.000 So I just know that there's been a tacit admission that Ian owns 20-sided dice.

01:54:52.000 So there's no doubt.

01:54:53.000 It basically means that perception.

01:54:55.000 If Ian rolls a 20, he's going to articulate this amazing thought that invigorates the conversation. 1.00

01:55:00.000 When he rolls a one, he sounds like a moron. 0.98

01:55:02.000 I think it's because if I start and it's not working, I just kind of give up and it fizzles into weirdness. 0.99

01:55:07.000 I try to keep going, but we're on a team.

01:55:08.000 We're totally at a certain amount of time.

01:55:10.000 All right, let's grab some more super chats.

01:55:15.000 All right, there's Elwood Blues.

01:55:17.000 Alex E. Jones for president.

01:55:19.000 Is that Alex's middle name?

01:55:20.000 Is it whatever?

01:55:21.000 Yes.

01:55:22.000 Alex Eugene.

01:55:24.000 Has Tim ever explored Brock's Candy in Chicago before it was demoed?

01:55:28.000 I didn't know it was.

01:55:29.000 No, I didn't.

01:55:30.000 Emmerich.

01:55:31.000 That's a good name.

01:55:31.000 Alex Emmerich Jones.

01:55:32.000 Sounds Irish to me.

01:55:34.000 Is that Irish?

01:55:35.000 All right.

01:55:37.000 Bitzu says Switzerland is neutral and they have border walls.

01:55:41.000 Yeah, Switzerland's where the Bank of International Settlements is headquarters.

01:55:44.000 Neutrality's nice when you run the economy.

01:55:47.000 Is it a 20 or a 1?

01:55:48.000 I think that's a 20.

01:55:49.000 I think I rolled a 17 on that.

01:55:52.000 I don't know if I beat the armor class.

01:55:54.000 I think what's so insane about that though, the mentioning that Switzerland is neutral, I mean it's a point you have to make nowadays, but the idea that having a border is a political statement is so ridiculous.

01:56:04.000 I mean, if we follow down that track for 50 years, it's a one-world utopia where everyone holds hands under the rainbow and all that stuff, right?

01:56:11.000 Right?

01:56:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:12.000 Is that what they're claiming?

01:56:14.000 Alright, John Stalling says, I'm from Missouri, and I'd love to see you reach out to Josh Hawley.

01:56:19.000 Is that in the works?

01:56:20.000 That'd be so cool.

01:56:21.000 Yeah, I'd love to have Josh Hawley on the show.

01:56:23.000 But look, it is so insanely difficult to get politicians.

01:56:27.000 They're so busy, too.

01:56:29.000 They're busy and often they're not in DC.

01:56:31.000 We're really close to DC.

01:56:32.000 We're an hour from DC.

01:56:33.000 So, you know, even that's too hard for a lot of these people.

01:56:36.000 It's going to be a lot harder now that I'm flying in every now and again, you know?

01:56:39.000 Plus Tom made a really good point.

01:56:39.000 Yeah.

01:56:41.000 They're going to be like, Oh, we got invited on this big podcast.

01:56:43.000 Yeah.

01:56:44.000 No, somebody who didn't get elected, who shouldn't have the authority, will go, you don't want to do it and here's why, and they're going to be too busy to do their own homework.

01:56:52.000 You know who I want to have on the show?

01:56:53.000 Who's that lady running for governor in Florida? 1.00

01:56:56.000 You know what I'm talking about?

01:56:57.000 Is it, um... Nikki Freed or something?

01:56:59.000 Oh, Nikki Freed!

01:57:00.000 Is that her name?

01:57:01.000 I'd love to have her on the show. 1.00

01:57:02.000 That'd be so fun.

01:57:03.000 Yeah, she's running against DeSantis in Florida, and she posted something that I thought was really interesting, and I was like, I would love to discuss these ideas.

01:57:12.000 It was not that she was wrong about something, it was like, she said something about restoring freedom but being opposed to gun rights.

01:57:18.000 And then I was like, I would love to have a philosophical discussion about what that means.

01:57:22.000 What does that look like?

01:57:23.000 Like, only the state should be able to use violence against people, but we want you to be free.

01:57:27.000 Hmm.

01:57:28.000 Something like that.

01:57:29.000 Can't protect yourself and your family.

01:57:30.000 I think Republicans should, right now, abolish the ATF.

01:57:35.000 Yep.

01:57:35.000 Yes.

01:57:36.000 Repeal the NFA.

01:57:37.000 Yes.

01:57:38.000 And should there be a convention of states, we should have an amendment which is just called Second Amendment A. Where it's like, it's basically the exact same language as the Second Amendment, but we just want to make sure everyone's clear on this one.

01:57:55.000 This time around.

01:57:56.000 Shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed.

01:58:00.000 We'll say it again for those in the back. 0.99

01:58:01.000 We actually meant this.

01:58:03.000 Alright, we'll taunt you for a third time.

01:58:07.000 Alright.

01:58:08.000 Oh, hi.

01:58:11.000 I don't know how to pronounce it.

01:58:13.000 Whatever.

01:58:14.000 It says a hot a car.

01:58:15.000 Oh, oh, oh hot tar kale Okay, I know this is kind of a broken record But why haven't you had the ADV China guys on a lot of the stuff you talk about on China lines up with them?

01:58:25.000 Why haven't we had them on?

01:58:25.000 I don't know.

01:58:26.000 I heard about them a while ago.

01:58:26.000 Yeah, why haven't we?

01:58:28.000 Yeah, in Laos.

01:58:30.000 Yeah, that'd be cool.

01:58:32.000 Yeah All right.

01:58:35.000 Nicholas Cronkite says, Hello, Tim and friends.

01:58:37.000 I'm putting my name in for Nevada governor.

01:58:41.000 I'm going to run on no more mandates, a return to normal and making Nevada a two-way sanctuary state.

01:58:46.000 The governor's job is to protect your rights, not take them from you.

01:58:50.000 Best of luck.

01:58:51.000 Good, sir.

01:58:52.000 Sounds good.

01:58:54.000 All right.

01:58:56.000 Roadrunner says, Ian means well, but he must be careful.

01:59:00.000 His want to not step on others doesn't cause evil.

01:59:02.000 Sometimes the right thing is not the kindest.

01:59:07.000 That's a pro-mean tweets comment that you got.

01:59:10.000 Hunter says, Michael Savage defined a nation as borders, language, culture.

01:59:13.000 It's a good way to look at it, in my opinion.

01:59:16.000 Yeah.

01:59:17.000 I think the problem in the United States is that we have no community anymore.

01:59:20.000 People don't view each other in this country as neighbors.

01:59:23.000 They view each other not as neighbors.

01:59:24.000 So even though we have a greater umbrella constitution in government, people in certain neighborhoods don't view their other neighborhood neighbors as friends.

01:59:33.000 People don't view other politics as Americans.

01:59:35.000 A judge in Pennsylvania says, you're a Republican, so we rule against you.

01:59:38.000 And it's just, I've been finding since the internet video age that I have more in common sometimes with like an Australian guy that I meet.

01:59:44.000 And I'm like, well, you're just a smart person.

01:59:45.000 Like I just get your vibe.

01:59:47.000 I understand you.

01:59:48.000 Rather than just because I was born next door to that guy who I went to high school and school with kids that I don't even ever see anymore.

01:59:55.000 They're like, I don't stay in touch with them just because I was from there.

01:59:59.000 You know, so it's out of this global homogeneity, borders, culture and language.

02:00:02.000 Well, culture is dispersed throughout the globe now.

02:00:05.000 Language, almost everybody speaks English.

02:00:07.000 So other than the borders, what's keeping this unifying this country?

02:00:12.000 What are the borders even?

02:00:14.000 When I was reading up on you, I heard you like K-pop.

02:00:18.000 Okay.

02:00:18.000 No.

02:00:19.000 Who said that?

02:00:20.000 You might have heard that he's a quarter Korean.

02:00:22.000 Did someone say that?

02:00:22.000 Is that real?

02:00:23.000 Truly, I was like, just doing a deep dive on, like, who's Tim Poole?

02:00:26.000 I honestly don't know anything about K-pop.

02:00:28.000 I know Gangnam Style.

02:00:30.000 It's not true.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, right.

02:00:31.000 That's what I know.

02:00:33.000 The point that I'm making is that there is still definitive culture, right?

02:00:37.000 And I've been, again, really blessed to spend time in a lot of places.

02:00:40.000 I've got more in common with somebody In South Central Los Angeles than I do with somebody in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia.

02:00:49.000 It ain't even close.

02:00:50.000 You know what? Let me read this one more super chat.

02:00:53.000 Noah Zork says, answer your own question.

02:00:55.000 Expose politicians that won't talk in public by inviting them.

02:00:58.000 Promote the ones that will.

02:01:00.000 Why don't we do that?

02:01:00.000 Put all politicians on notice.

02:01:03.000 And this may mean that no politician ever wants to come on again.

02:01:07.000 If we reach out to a politician and they don't respond, we'll just tell everyone, we reached out to this politician to come on the show, they didn't respond.

02:01:14.000 If they do and then they don't show up, we'll say that.

02:01:17.000 And if they do and they do show up, well, you'll see them on the show.

02:01:18.000 That's right.

02:01:19.000 And then we can start being like, you know, I'll say it like this.

02:01:23.000 We reached out to politician so-and-so, they're under no obligation to give us their time, they're very busy, but they did not respond to our request to have him on the show.

02:01:31.000 Simple as that.

02:01:32.000 I'm not trying to dictate that we're owed anything like that, but there's a lot of people we've invited on the show, and I'm sure people would want to know who we did invite and why they didn't respond or didn't end up coming on.

02:01:45.000 And I think that's fair.

02:01:47.000 These are politicians.

02:01:47.000 These are not private people.

02:01:49.000 These are public officials.

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02:02:20.000 Tom, you want to shout anything out?

02:02:21.000 Yeah, man.

02:02:21.000 So everything Tim said better than I can.

02:02:24.000 Exileseries.com.

02:02:25.000 Go take a look at the trailer.

02:02:27.000 I believe in it.

02:02:28.000 I hope you will.

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02:02:32.000 So social media, share it.

02:02:34.000 Get it out there.

02:02:34.000 There are people who are far less fortunate than you.

02:02:37.000 If you can't give a buck, then give a share.

02:02:40.000 And thanks so much for the opportunity, guys.

02:02:42.000 What an honor.

02:02:44.000 All 20s, by the way.

02:02:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:46.000 Critical success.

02:02:48.000 Yeah, thank you so much for having me on tonight, Tim.

02:02:50.000 It's always a privilege to be able to be second chair while I'm filling in for he who is dearly missed.

02:02:56.000 You're just assuming that Ian's third chair?

02:02:57.000 Ian's third chair, no.

02:02:59.000 It got switched.

02:03:00.000 He was the motor.

02:03:01.000 Now, I'm Seamus Coghlan.

02:03:03.000 Check me out, Freedom Tunes.

02:03:04.000 T-O-O-N-S is my YouTube channel.

02:03:08.000 I do political cartoons, and I think you guys would probably enjoy them.

02:03:11.000 We released one yesterday about the masks that I was pretty happy with, and we release every Thursday, sometimes on Tuesdays as well.

02:03:18.000 What's the other channel?

02:03:20.000 The F.E.E.

02:03:21.000 channel?

02:03:21.000 Oh yeah, so I also run a channel with the Foundation for Economic Education called Common Sense Soapbox.

02:03:25.000 Sweet! 0.95

02:03:26.000 So if Common Sense Soapbox... I have a couple other things that I handle.

02:03:30.000 They're all linked to on the Freedom Tunes channel.

02:03:33.000 So if you go over there, you'll be able to see all of it.

02:03:34.000 Sweet.

02:03:35.000 Cool.

02:03:35.000 You can follow me at iancrossland.net.

02:03:36.000 Tom, you're also Garrett and Exile on Twitter.

02:03:39.000 I was going, I was literally looking to see who I, yeah, Garrett in Exile on Twitter.

02:03:43.000 And it's new, but yeah, do follow.

02:03:44.000 Again, thanks so much for being here.

02:03:45.000 Thank you for making this and pouring yourself into this.

02:03:48.000 How long have you been doing this?

02:03:49.000 How long have you been doing this?

02:03:50.000 Oh gosh, so this is like, we're supposed to be done, right?

02:03:52.000 And I want to be respectful of you.

02:03:54.000 This thing started before we knew it started.

02:03:55.000 It started when we went into Sudan and got those guys out. 1.00

02:03:57.000 And then just kept, like, so I, recovering alcoholic, three years, eight months, and five days.

02:04:03.000 And I'm like, what do I want to do with my life? 0.96

02:04:04.000 This shit feels right because this stuff is stuff that matters. 0.95

02:04:08.000 Helping people who can't help themselves. 0.99

02:04:10.000 And a compelled charity is not charity.

02:04:14.000 But every single life has value.

02:04:15.000 We should be doing something about it.

02:04:16.000 This is ExileSeries.com.

02:04:18.000 ExileSeries.com.

02:04:20.000 God bless you guys.

02:04:21.000 Thanks.

02:04:22.000 Yeah, I'm really excited to hear about this series and I hope this documentary really takes off.

02:04:25.000 I hope all of you guys will go over and check out ExileSeries.com and see what Tom's been up to.

02:04:31.000 Very hard work, very interesting, neat, challenging stuff.

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02:04:54.000 What?

02:04:55.000 Thanks for hanging out everybody and we'll see you all there.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 29, 2022

Timcast IRL - PA Court Rules Mail In Voting UNCONSTITUTIONAL Sparking Electoral Chaos w-Tom Garrett

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