Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - US Truckers JOIN Canadian Truckers In MASSIVE Vax Mandate Protest w-Carrie Sheffield

00:00:00.000 We've got a great big convoy up in Canada and American truckers are joining with Canadian

00:00:13.000 truckers protesting vaccine mandates.

00:00:16.000 Get this, they're estimating 50,000 truckers?

00:00:20.000 That sounds crazy to me, that can't be right.

00:00:22.000 But they're saying it stretches nearly 50 miles, this trucker convoy in protest.

00:00:27.000 And Trudeau, shaking in his boot said, it's just a small fringe minority.

00:00:32.000 Are you kidding?

00:00:33.000 This is massive!

00:00:34.000 This story is getting really, really big, so we're gonna get into this.

00:00:36.000 We got a bunch of other stories.

00:00:38.000 Evangeline Lilly, star of Ant-Man and the Wasp, went down.

00:00:42.000 She's a Hollywood celebrity. 1.00

00:00:44.000 Went to the DC anti-mandate protest.

00:00:46.000 Publicly endorsed the message.

00:00:49.000 Getting roasted, but wow, bravo.

00:00:51.000 I'm really surprised to hear that someone out of Hollywood is doing the right thing.

00:00:55.000 Which brings us to Dan Bongino.

00:00:58.000 He's getting censored.

00:00:59.000 His YouTube channel has been deleted.

00:01:01.000 And we got Joe Rogan in the news again.

00:01:03.000 And I think the story has escalated now to something totally different.

00:01:07.000 The amount of hit pieces that just came out about Joe.

00:01:09.000 I mean, we talk about him quite a bit.

00:01:11.000 And it's always kind of like, oh, look, they're talking about Joe Rogan again.

00:01:14.000 Now it's like CNN, The Verge, Independent.

00:01:17.000 Outlets across the board are writing different crazy stories.

00:01:20.000 They first tried going for the nuclear option.

00:01:22.000 You know, we got a list of doctors.

00:01:24.000 That didn't work.

00:01:25.000 Now they're trying the Marvel Jericho missile method, if you're familiar with Iron Man.

00:01:29.000 They're just layering all these different hit pieces.

00:01:33.000 And it says something really interesting that I think is actually good news.

00:01:36.000 Joe has set the news cycle.

00:01:37.000 He controls it now.

00:01:39.000 Every time they try and go after him for what he, what someone else says, what one of his guests says, Joe owns the news cycle.

00:01:46.000 And if they keep playing into this, they're done.

00:01:49.000 The media is digging their own grave.

00:01:51.000 So we'll get into all this stuff.

00:01:53.000 Joining us today to talk about all of this is Carrie Sheffield.

00:01:56.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:01:58.000 Hey, Tim.

00:01:59.000 I'm sorry.

00:01:59.000 What camera do I look at?

00:02:00.000 That one.

00:02:01.000 There's so many.

00:02:01.000 Okay.

00:02:03.000 Hey, everybody.

00:02:04.000 I am a Senior Policy Analyst with the Independent Women's Forum.

00:02:04.000 I'm Carrie Sheffield.

00:02:08.000 We believe that all issues are women's issues.

00:02:11.000 We are not pigeonholed as women. 0.78

00:02:13.000 And we believe in limited government.

00:02:16.000 We believe in freedom.

00:02:18.000 And we believe that people should be able to make their own choices about their lives.

00:02:21.000 I mean, these are just basic American concepts.

00:02:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:24.000 There's a real interesting story we might be able to get into about this app called Giggle.

00:02:28.000 Have you heard about it?

00:02:29.000 It's a female-only app that uses facial recognition to determine if you're female, and it's caused a huge uproar in the LGBTQ community because facial recognition doesn't care about what you identify as.

00:02:29.000 No.

00:02:42.000 Maybe we'll get into that later on, though.

00:02:43.000 That is very interesting.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, it is.

00:02:45.000 It will be interesting, philosophically and scientifically.

00:02:48.000 We have Seamus.

00:02:49.000 Good to be here.

00:02:50.000 Thank you for having me back again.

00:02:51.000 Who are you?

00:02:52.000 I am the creator of Freedom Tunes.

00:02:53.000 If you want to check out my YouTube channel, I do political cartoons as well as educational cartoons and political commentary.

00:02:59.000 And every now and again, Tim begs me.

00:03:01.000 He says, Seamus, come on to my podcast.

00:03:04.000 Please.

00:03:04.000 Seamus thinks he's so famous that he doesn't need to explain what he does.

00:03:08.000 Everybody knows who I am.

00:03:09.000 That's incorrect.

00:03:10.000 See, you're making assumptions.

00:03:11.000 I just figured no one's going to care who I am.

00:03:14.000 It's coming from a place of humility.

00:03:16.000 All right, well, I agree.

00:03:19.000 Thank you, buddy.

00:03:21.000 I don't know if this is going to play on camera, but Sim got me this beautiful new beanie.

00:03:25.000 He was trying to gag you.

00:03:26.000 I think there's more parts to it, but I didn't put it on.

00:03:28.000 You look like the kid on the Christmas story.

00:03:31.000 Ralphie!

00:03:32.000 Ralphie!

00:03:33.000 Because I'm a knight from the Middle Ages.

00:03:36.000 Well, I also have... The glasses kind of ruin it.

00:03:38.000 They're fogging up.

00:03:40.000 There's a beard you're supposed to attach to it.

00:03:42.000 Oh, cool.

00:03:43.000 Oh, nice.

00:03:44.000 He's got a... What's up, everybody?

00:03:46.000 Ian Crossland over here.

00:03:47.000 I want you to follow me on iancrossland.net.

00:03:49.000 Is it Ian?

00:03:50.000 We can't tell.

00:03:51.000 I thought you were wearing a mask.

00:03:54.000 Thanks Tim.

00:03:55.000 That beard has a mouth hole.

00:03:57.000 You're supposed to attach it to the hat.

00:03:59.000 I know.

00:04:00.000 You should have prepared for this.

00:04:04.000 Wardrobe malfunction.

00:04:06.000 Hey, hi.

00:04:07.000 Looking forward to the conversation.

00:04:08.000 Let's get down and dirty.

00:04:09.000 50,000 truckers, man.

00:04:11.000 That's a lot.

00:04:12.000 Is that real?

00:04:13.000 Let's find out.

00:04:13.000 Yeah, we're going to find out.

00:04:14.000 I'm always happy when I have ladies on, especially ladies from the IWF. 1.00

00:04:18.000 So we're going to have a great conversation today and we can get into it.

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00:05:16.000 But now let's get into that big story.

00:05:17.000 This is from the Daily Mail.

00:05:19.000 American truckers join Canada's Freedom Convoy protesting vaccine mandate as rigs stretch for

00:05:26.000 45 miles. Trudeau plays it down and calls protesters a small fringe minority. Look at this.

00:05:33.000 With 50,000 truckers driving from Vancouver, the Freedom Convoy 2022 is demanding that their

00:05:40.000 government abolish vaccine passports.

00:05:43.000 They say as many as 32,000 or about 20% of truckers are not vaccinated.

00:05:48.000 Now there's so much craziness to this story.

00:05:50.000 Aside from the fact this line is massive.

00:05:53.000 GoFundMe, what do they raise?

00:05:54.000 Like five million dollars already?

00:05:56.000 Is that it?

00:05:57.000 Well, that's what I heard yesterday, that they had canceled a $5 million... Froze it.

00:06:00.000 Froze it, okay.

00:06:01.000 Yeah, I think they released it.

00:06:03.000 Oh.

00:06:03.000 This is big.

00:06:05.000 It's amazing because we had that big D.C.

00:06:06.000 protest, you know, this past weekend.

00:06:08.000 Robert Malone went on Joe Rogan's podcast and mentioned, we're gonna go to D.C.

00:06:11.000 and protest.

00:06:12.000 Wasn't that big?

00:06:13.000 Was not that big.

00:06:14.000 I think Luke was down there and he said maybe 10, 20,000 people.

00:06:17.000 And I was like, well, you know, but now we're getting 50,000 truckers stretching 45 to 50 miles.

00:06:24.000 It looks like GoFundMe is releasing 1 million of the 5 million for some reason, not all 5 million.

00:06:29.000 I don't, I can't understand why they would even use GoFundMe.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, no, I don't know why you would at this point.

00:06:35.000 It's interesting because this article that we were all looking at points out that the longest convoy prior to that was five miles long.

00:06:41.000 Whoa, what?

00:06:42.000 Yes, and you have Justin Trudeau saying this is a small fringe protest because this is what they do anytime they want to turn public perception against the popular movement.

00:06:49.000 They either claim it's not large or they ignore it.

00:06:51.000 They do it at the March for Life every single year, which is part of why I went there this year to cover it because there were tens of thousands of people there, but they always make it sound like it's a no-show event.

00:06:59.000 How many people do you think were down there?

00:07:01.000 I couldn't estimate, but it was tens of thousands, definitely.

00:07:05.000 Well, and it wasn't just in D.C.

00:07:06.000 It's happening all over the country.

00:07:06.000 too.

00:07:08.000 Yeah, very true.

00:07:09.000 March for Life.

00:07:09.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 March for Life is national, yeah.

00:07:11.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:13.000 Well, vaccine passports.

00:07:15.000 I've been waiting for the United States, for Americans and Canadians to unify in some way against government overreach.

00:07:22.000 Just Americans and other people from around the world.

00:07:26.000 Australians.

00:07:27.000 What is this going to mean for our food and stuff?

00:07:30.000 You know, because are these guys effectively not working by doing this?

00:07:33.000 There's already a trucker shortage.

00:07:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:35.000 I mean, I was sort of talking about this yesterday, but the idea that we could afford to lose 20% of our truckers across any border if the economy was doing well would be ludicrous.

00:07:46.000 With things as bad as they are, it's insane to even Have Justin Trudeau or any civil authority Ignore this pretend as if it's not a big deal and try to force their demands out of the truckers He either doesn't realize the leverage that they have or more likely he realizes they do have leverage But he doesn't care because he's not going to get hurt when the shelves aren't stocked you are

00:08:06.000 What I don't get is why are they targeting truckers specifically?

00:08:09.000 Because most of your time, you're alone in your cabin.

00:08:13.000 You're not, I mean, and so, okay, maybe you're at the Flying J to pick up some snacks.

00:08:18.000 Why not the motorists in the car?

00:08:20.000 The four wheelers?

00:08:21.000 You know?

00:08:21.000 Agreed.

00:08:22.000 Yeah.

00:08:23.000 Like, why truckers?

00:08:24.000 How about none of that?

00:08:25.000 The people for whom we rely on.

00:08:26.000 I don't understand that.

00:08:27.000 And then I don't understand Omicron, I think, changed the calculus for everything.

00:08:32.000 Like, you know, it's just, Breakthrough cases are everywhere.

00:08:36.000 So whether you are vaccinated or not at this point, it is irrelevant to whether you will get Omicron.

00:08:41.000 If you look at all of this through the lens of public health, you will be confused the whole time.

00:08:47.000 If you look at this through the lens of someone trying to destroy economies, everything makes sense.

00:08:53.000 Exactly.

00:08:53.000 Why would Cuomo willfully kill people?

00:08:57.000 Andrew Cuomo in New York was like, I'm gonna put sick people in nursing homes and they'll die.

00:09:01.000 And he was warned that would happen.

00:09:02.000 Now, why would he do that if he was trying to save lives?

00:09:04.000 That literally makes no sense.

00:09:06.000 The problem is- Because he got a lot of money from the hospital associations.

00:09:10.000 To send sick people- Campaign donations to his campaign.

00:09:12.000 Yeah, but- Because they were pressuring him because they wanted the money.

00:09:15.000 No, but he put them in nursing homes. 0.97

00:09:17.000 The nursing home said, give us sick people. 1.00

00:09:18.000 They wanted the money.

00:09:18.000 Is that it?

00:09:19.000 Just killing all these people? 0.99

00:09:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:09:20.000 He was under their pressure.

00:09:20.000 The nursing home said give us sick people.

00:09:23.000 They wanted the money.

00:09:25.000 Is that it?

00:09:26.000 From what I've heard? 0.99

00:09:27.000 Just killing all these people? 0.99

00:09:28.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:09:29.000 He wanted the campaign to, he was under their pressure.

00:09:30.000 The nursing home said give us more people to make us money. 1.00

00:09:33.000 That's, as I understand it, that's what they want.

00:09:35.000 They wanted the people there.

00:09:36.000 Well, and it killed people for money. 0.96

00:09:38.000 Well, also, I think a lot of this makes more sense if you look at it through the lens of these people being control freaks who demand our compliance.

00:09:45.000 So you asked why go after truckers, I think.

00:09:48.000 Part of the reason is because they just need to see people bend the knee.

00:09:51.000 I think that's a huge reason why these mandates are being pushed on people. 0.67

00:09:54.000 They don't want you making your own medical decisions.

00:09:56.000 They want to make those decisions for you.

00:09:58.000 I firmly believe that.

00:09:59.000 And I think they view it as a challenge to their authority if people don't take the recommendations and do the things they told them to do, and they don't care who has to suffer when those people are punished.

00:10:10.000 That's what I believe.

00:10:10.000 That's too simplistic.

00:10:11.000 I don't think so.

00:10:13.000 I think that these people are control freaks.

00:10:14.000 Yeah, but control freaks that want something. 0.92

00:10:17.000 Like the idea that they're just like, you know what?

00:10:19.000 We have no reason to do this, but we'll do it anyway.

00:10:21.000 No, no, no.

00:10:21.000 All right.

00:10:22.000 So here's the thing.

00:10:23.000 I absolutely believe that there are probably other motives there, but I think once people start standing up and saying no, then the new motivation becomes, well, I need to make sure that they fall in line because if they can say no to this, they can say no to the other demands I make on them.

00:10:36.000 I think a lot of this is political.

00:10:38.000 I think there's political strategy behind it.

00:10:40.000 Definitely.

00:10:40.000 I think they, you know, the interesting thing is that it spans all these different countries.

00:10:45.000 You've got Europe enacting much of the same policies that we enact here that, you know, Canada is doing.

00:10:51.000 Now, interestingly, we're seeing in Europe a bunch of these countries start to end their lockdowns, like Denmark, I think the Netherlands, a few others.

00:10:59.000 While some are getting even more strict, I look at this through the lens of a pandemic.

00:11:05.000 None of it makes sense.

00:11:07.000 It's like you're trying to put a puzzle together, but if you've got the wrong picture, the pieces won't go together.

00:11:13.000 And if we look at this through the lens of coordinated political manipulation, then it all makes sense.

00:11:20.000 Why go after truckers?

00:11:20.000 It does.

00:11:21.000 They're destroying the economy.

00:11:23.000 Why destroy the economy?

00:11:24.000 I mean, I don't know, man.

00:11:26.000 There's a bunch of different reasons.

00:11:27.000 For one, look at what Bill de Blasio said.

00:11:29.000 He wants to buy up the buildings in New York City, not that they're worthless, because people are fleeing, and turn them into public housing.

00:11:36.000 So there's one good reason to do it.

00:11:38.000 You go after the truckers, you depress wages, you smash small businesses, you transfer wealth back up to the elites, the elites who call themselves the elites in the World

00:11:47.000 Economic Forum.

00:11:47.000 I mean, that looks, you know, plain and simple.

00:11:50.000 Now, I suppose if you want to take it one extra layer deep, we can,

00:11:53.000 you know, listen to Alex Jones talking about an alien intelligence taking over,

00:11:56.000 but that one's a little too far from me.

00:11:57.000 I can't go there.

00:11:58.000 Yeah, global elites who are trying to steal money from the working class.

00:12:02.000 Well, that's history.

00:12:04.000 Well, yeah, that's socialism, that's Marxism, that's human nature to grasp more power.

00:12:11.000 That's just ad infinitum.

00:12:13.000 That's how humans have always been.

00:12:14.000 And we see this in real time right now in Central America.

00:12:19.000 It's just heartbreaking to see that a strong man, strong woman, whatever, dictator, they don't care about the people.

00:12:25.000 It's all about, in Cuba, it's the same thing.

00:12:27.000 That's how it is.

00:12:28.000 If you get power, you're power hungry, you're power drunk.

00:12:32.000 unless you believe that the power rests with the people, then fundamentally, if you fundamentally don't believe

00:12:38.000 that the power rests with the people and that you are better than them,

00:12:41.000 then you're gonna keep stealing more power.

00:12:42.000 That's just human nature.

00:12:43.000 What I find funny about this is that the posts and stories where it's like, it's white supremacists.

00:12:48.000 You know, like that's their go-to for everything.

00:12:51.000 Aliens.

00:12:52.000 Well, as if that's in any way an explanatory narrative here.

00:12:56.000 Like, why don't these people want to get this injection? 0.99

00:12:59.000 Oh, they must hate black people. 0.99

00:13:01.000 What are you talking about? 0.99

00:13:01.000 How does that work? 0.99

00:13:02.000 A bunch of racists got in their trucks.

00:13:04.000 It makes no sense. 0.98

00:13:05.000 Not to mention that vaccine hesitancy among black Americans is, I think in many cases, a lot higher than white Americans. 0.77

00:13:12.000 Again, that's white supremacy because they're trying to scare black people to not get They're doing the same thing right now with March for Life. 0.81

00:13:19.000 Yeah, of course.

00:13:20.000 That Patriot Front group, that no sane person thinks is an actual group, was apparently at the March for Life, and now all these articles pop up where they're like, why white supremacists like the pro-life movement or whatever, and I'm like, I don't understand why they would, that makes no sense.

00:13:33.000 Yeah, that's absolutely insane.

00:13:34.000 What about Margaret Sanger?

00:13:35.000 She was a white supremacist and she founded Planned Parenthood, so explain that to me.

00:13:38.000 Or the locations of Planned Parenthood.

00:13:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:41.000 Exactly.

00:13:41.000 But that's why, you know, that's not an indictment from me personally on Planned Parenthood's choice of locations.

00:13:46.000 The left has their arguments for it.

00:13:48.000 I'm just pointing out, why would a white supremacist be upset with that? 0.99

00:13:51.000 Why would they be like, oh gee, oh darn. 0.99

00:13:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:54.000 No, they would probably be in favor of those clinics.

00:13:57.000 No, in fact, I think Live Action called up a Planned Parenthood and said, um, I'd like to specifically target a donation to specifically target, uh, for black women. 0.96

00:14:07.000 Yes.

00:14:07.000 And they, and they said, they said, yeah, um, yeah, send it on over.

00:14:11.000 And, and, uh, he's like, he's like, yeah.

00:14:14.000 That is wokeness cranked up to 11.

00:14:17.000 I'm sure you've got some critical race theorists like woke, you know, a Planned Parenthood woman, nurse or whatever. 1.00

00:14:22.000 And she's like, that's so nice of you!

00:14:24.000 Yeah.

00:14:25.000 No, it's true.

00:14:26.000 He asks over the phone.

00:14:27.000 I can't remember if it was live action, but I do remember that story.

00:14:30.000 It might have been.

00:14:31.000 I don't remember, but I do remember this guy over the phone going like, I want to make a donation for people to have abortions.

00:14:35.000 Like, could it go like specifically to like minorities?

00:14:38.000 He's like dancing around it a little bit, but he basically says, yeah, could you like make sure this donation goes to getting black babies aborted? 0.96

00:14:43.000 And they're like, yes, of course. 0.63

00:14:46.000 Because the way they twist it in their head, and I have to put the disclaimer, Independent Women's Forum is neutral on abortion, but I'm personally in pro-life.

00:14:54.000 And that's the thing about the right, is that we allow for disparate opinion on this.

00:14:59.000 There are almost no pro-life Democrats.

00:15:02.000 They just, for example, tried to book a, you know, Democrats for Life tried to book a meal during the March for Life.

00:15:08.000 At a restaurant, I think Busboys and Poets in DC, their reservation was canceled once they found out that these were Democrats for life.

00:15:16.000 But I am personally pro-life.

00:15:17.000 There's actually a lot of Democrats that are pro-life.

00:15:19.000 It's huge.

00:15:20.000 Yeah, but they're suppressed by the establishment and you can't fundraise, especially if you're a female Democrat. 1.00

00:15:25.000 Good luck getting money.

00:15:26.000 And I would say they're not particularly pro-life if they're willing to just vote Democrat knowing they're voting against their own interests.

00:15:31.000 Exactly.

00:15:32.000 But not to derail the conversation, speaking of truckers, they're doing the same thing.

00:15:36.000 But it's the same old tired playbook.

00:15:38.000 I'm tired of saying it.

00:15:39.000 I'm tired of hearing it.

00:15:40.000 But to be honest, it's getting to a point where now it's comical.

00:15:44.000 It's like, oh, you're doing that thing again?

00:15:46.000 You're claiming the protesters are racists?

00:15:49.000 Exactly.

00:15:49.000 Wow.

00:15:50.000 Is it 2016?

00:15:50.000 What year is it?

00:15:53.000 Oh, it's 2022?

00:15:55.000 Get a new bit!

00:15:56.000 There was an incredibly insightful article written in 2016, and I can't remember who wrote it, unfortunately, but their whole point was, after the election, they realized that they couldn't go around calling people racist anymore, and it wasn't that they realized that you can't just call people names, they just understood that that term had lost its meaning, so they started saying white supremacist after that.

00:16:15.000 And then they started saying white supremacists all the time, and now I think they've moved on to, they're really playing with using incitement of violence as their new term.

00:16:26.000 Or threat to democracy.

00:16:27.000 Or threat to democracy, yeah.

00:16:28.000 But it's just the same way of saying the same, a different way of saying the same thing, which is that you're disobedient.

00:16:34.000 It's Chicken Little, just running around screaming the sky is falling.

00:16:37.000 It's the boy who cried wolf.

00:16:39.000 I gotta be honest, I literally don't care.

00:16:41.000 Someone could be marching around protesting anything, and they would be like, that person's racist.

00:16:46.000 And I'd be like, huh?

00:16:47.000 What else is on?

00:16:48.000 I don't care.

00:16:49.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:16:50.000 The words lost any meaning.

00:16:51.000 Meaningless.

00:16:52.000 Yeah.

00:16:53.000 And speaking of threat to democracy, I just read a really great piece about the actual threat to democracy right now is the Soros-funded DAs who are literally ignoring the will of the people by choosing to pick and choose whatever they feel like prosecuting.

00:17:08.000 But these are laws that have been passed by the legislative branch.

00:17:10.000 There's a thing called separation of powers that says the executive branch is supposed to.

00:17:15.000 It's not optional.

00:17:17.000 The DA in New York, for example, can't just unilaterally decide something.

00:17:21.000 These aren't suggestions.

00:17:22.000 So that is the actual threat to democracy.

00:17:24.000 And I'm really glad to see people like my former boss, John Solomon.

00:17:28.000 He's been able to do some great reporting about this and enforcing documents.

00:17:33.000 For example, in Missouri, the prosecutor who was source funded in St.

00:17:36.000 Louis, People are starting to wake up.

00:17:40.000 Let's talk about the narrative breaking.

00:17:41.000 We've got the story from NBC News.

00:17:43.000 Marvel actor Evangeline Lilly shares that she attended anti-vaccine mandate rally.

00:17:49.000 The anti-vaccination mandate rally held Sunday made headlines because of comments from Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:17:55.000 comparing policies to the Holocaust.

00:17:57.000 And even after that, Evangeline Lilly was still willing to publicly come out and be like, yo, I was there because I believe in this.

00:18:04.000 Evangeline Lilly, you rock.

00:18:05.000 You are awesome.

00:18:06.000 You did a great job in Ant-Man and the Wasp.

00:18:09.000 Big fan.

00:18:10.000 And for you to come out now and stand up for what you believe in, in the face of this psychotic media, going after everybody, smearing people, lying about people, that is brave, that is principled, I respect it, and it shows for everybody else.

00:18:23.000 You know, when Hollywood celebrities start coming out and saying, nah, that's good news.

00:18:27.000 Yep.

00:18:28.000 The narrative is broken.

00:18:29.000 Yeah.

00:18:29.000 Also, I mean, of course, you know, Holocaust comparisons between the Holocaust and events where no one is being killed are so tired at this point that even pointing out that they're tired is tired.

00:18:41.000 Yeah, people are losing their minds over it, but it's like everyone does it all the time particularly I mean it happens way more often on the left, but so so banal at this point But you know I mean good for her for standing up for the truth and being willing to say yeah I was at this mandate These are my actual values because there are a lot of celebrities.

00:18:56.000 I'm sure who can see through this stuff I have some faith that there are at least some of them who are capable of it, but they're just not saying anything Yeah, it's The Government Jumped the Shark.

00:19:06.000 That's that idea from a TV show, when the TV show's just gone too far.

00:19:09.000 It's had too many new adoptions of little kids to, you know, whatever.

00:19:13.000 It comes from Happy Days, when I think they literally jumped a shark on a motorcycle, just trying to one-up themselves over and over.

00:19:19.000 It gets so far, they're like, well, the show's Jumped the Shark.

00:19:22.000 The government's jumped the shark.

00:19:23.000 We know it because we've been watching, and we can relate it to 20 years ago, or 15 years ago, but young kids that see it aren't going to realize that this is too far, and they might think that it's normal.

00:19:33.000 That's just how government works.

00:19:34.000 Evangeline Lilly's got 2.2 million followers, and she posted a picture of Vax Democrat for medical freedom.

00:19:42.000 She said, I was in DC this weekend to support bodily sovereignty while Canadian truckers were rallying for their cross-country peaceful convoy in support of the same thing.

00:19:50.000 Yo, this is epic!

00:19:52.000 I believe nobody should ever be forced to inject their body with anything against their will under threat of violent attack, arrest or detention without trial, loss of employment, homelessness, starvation, loss of education, alienation from loved ones, excommunication from society, under any threat whatsoever.

00:20:06.000 This is not the way.

00:20:07.000 This is not safe.

00:20:07.000 It is not healthy.

00:20:08.000 This is not love.

00:20:09.000 I understand the world is in fear, but I don't believe that answering fear with force will fix our problems.

00:20:13.000 I was pro-choice before COVID.

00:20:15.000 I am still pro-choice today.

00:20:16.000 Bravo, Evangeline Lilly.

00:20:18.000 That was an epic post.

00:20:20.000 And brave that is you know what you know, you know, you know guys stunning and brave It was all based until that last sentence, but you know, I'm glad Pro-choice at any capacity but I hear what she's saying and it's great because these are the people who want to spend all of their time claiming that they stand with the working class and then when you have truckers who are working class and Are in many ways like quite literally the backbone of the economy.

00:20:43.000 If there's one group you're going to point to and say, we can make a solid case that we absolutely need these people as truckers.

00:20:49.000 And so for them to be thrown under the bus and for us to look the other way, especially people on the left who are constantly harping on about like how empathetic they are and how much they care about the working class is ridiculous. 0.77

00:21:01.000 So good for her.

00:21:02.000 I mean, she's doing what they claim they're supposed to do.

00:21:04.000 Well, and Ian, to your point on jumping the shark and passing the moment, like, I think Biden, first of all, let's flash back in time when the Biden administration used to say, oh, yeah, we can't do a mandate.

00:21:16.000 That's just something we can't do legally.

00:21:18.000 And then, lo and behold, they put the mandate in place.

00:21:21.000 But lo and behold, the Supreme Court says, no, actually, you can't.

00:21:24.000 And now they're repealing their OSHA mandate.

00:21:26.000 So I think even I mean, the wave has crested as far as the mandates are concerned.

00:21:31.000 And I have to say, this was an anti-mandate rally, which is contrary to what I think it was CNN or MSNBC.

00:21:36.000 I forget what I said.

00:21:37.000 They said it was an anti-vaccine rally.

00:21:39.000 I'm like, no, you obviously don't understand.

00:21:41.000 This is about the mandates.

00:21:42.000 No, they do.

00:21:43.000 They're just lying.

00:21:43.000 Of course.

00:21:44.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:21:45.000 Liars. 1.00

00:21:46.000 They are. 1.00

00:21:46.000 They're liars. 1.00

00:21:47.000 Thank you for the correction.

00:21:50.000 You know, I'm watching this and we have Marvel references and what just comes to mind with the mainstream narrative is that scene from the new Spider-Man movie where Doctor Strange is trying to contain the spell but it's out of control and it just erupts and I'm like that That is the truth.

00:22:07.000 That is reality.

00:22:08.000 And they're desperately trying to contain it, and it just breaks free.

00:22:12.000 And then it shatters the multiverse, and then, you know, reality comes breaking through.

00:22:16.000 Not in that movie.

00:22:17.000 I don't know.

00:22:17.000 A bunch of weirdos showed up, like Spider-Man from other movies.

00:22:20.000 But my point is, the narrative can't be contained.

00:22:22.000 They're trying as hard as they can. 0.85

00:22:23.000 It's an anti-vaxx protest of racists and white supremacists.

00:22:28.000 And then Evangeline Lilly is just like, nah.

00:22:31.000 That's why you gotta stay alive, all of you.

00:22:34.000 It's important right now, as hard as things might seem, stay alive because it is shattering and twisting open.

00:22:40.000 It's inevitable.

00:22:42.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I think there's really cause for hope here.

00:22:44.000 The fact that they have to tie themselves in knots over this.

00:22:47.000 When they have to lie about how large your movement is and how large the protests are, in a lot of ways, you're in good shape.

00:22:52.000 It's a good problem to have. 0.53

00:22:53.000 It really is.

00:22:54.000 Because people are waking up to it.

00:22:55.000 Imagine the alternative.

00:22:57.000 Imagine if we had to pretend that our protests were far larger than they were.

00:23:00.000 Whoever has to lie about the numbers is losing.

00:23:03.000 Trump always was, like, huge.

00:23:07.000 They were huge.

00:23:08.000 His rallies were massive.

00:23:09.000 So a lot of them were really big, but I mean, you know, when they come out after the inauguration and it wasn't nearly that big, it was big.

00:23:17.000 And then they were like, the biggest ever.

00:23:19.000 It's like, well, if you include streaming numbers, then yes.

00:23:22.000 But everybody's always trying to promote themselves.

00:23:24.000 And I certainly understand why.

00:23:26.000 But the media does the opposite.

00:23:27.000 I remember during, I think it was during Occupy Wall Street, this funny, funny thing happened where a local news station was covering one of the protests, like a peripheral protest in some city.

00:23:37.000 And they, the camera guy, we actually watched him wait until the end of the protest and then start filming when there was like seven people.

00:23:44.000 And then they were like, people were sharing it.

00:23:46.000 Look at this video of their report.

00:23:47.000 And it was like, the protest was quite small and it shows like, that's what they do.

00:23:51.000 No, so I remember when I was a child, my parents would sometimes take my siblings and I to pray outside of either abortion clinics, or in one case, Christ Hospital, because they were performing abortions there, despite the name of the hospital.

00:24:02.000 And media came up and started asking questions, and as a little child, I'm naïve, I'm like, Oh my gosh, what if they ask us questions and we're going to be on TV and my dad says, Shea, they only go to old people.

00:24:12.000 They only talk to the old people here.

00:24:14.000 They don't want anyone to think that there are young people interested in the pro-life movement.

00:24:18.000 They have to curate a very specific image about who's interested in this.

00:24:23.000 That sounds pretty legit.

00:24:25.000 Oh, my father's very legit.

00:24:27.000 Well, where do we go from here?

00:24:30.000 We just keep doing what we're doing.

00:24:31.000 We keep having a movement so strong that they need to lie about how many people believe in it.

00:24:36.000 I usually think like, okay, if this is true, the narrative is shattering and, you know, base reality is coming back to fruition.

00:24:44.000 Now it's our chance to craft base reality.

00:24:46.000 We can Build back better?

00:24:49.000 Build back greater, Seamus.

00:24:51.000 I'm not in with this World Economic Forum thing.

00:24:55.000 I wonder if this will precipitate other people coming out, though.

00:24:58.000 Evangeline Lilly.

00:25:00.000 Is this because we're seeing Bill Maher, Barry Weiss, and other liberals now signal to the left, like, hey, it's safe now.

00:25:06.000 You can come out of hiding.

00:25:07.000 Big time, yeah.

00:25:08.000 That's the Barry Weiss thing.

00:25:10.000 Maybe as cringe as you pointed out, it comes a year late, I'm still glad it happened.

00:25:14.000 Because it was so high profile.

00:25:16.000 The question is whether she's going to get cancelled.

00:25:18.000 We don't know at this point.

00:25:19.000 I mean, they might try, but I don't think so.

00:25:23.000 Because her attitude is very defiant.

00:25:24.000 She doesn't care.

00:25:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:27.000 When people immediately become demure and back down, you know they don't mean it.

00:25:31.000 But I mean, it looks like she really means it.

00:25:34.000 I think she, I don't think she just posted this, this image.

00:25:36.000 I think she made a video about it, but let me, let me pull up her Instagram and we'll take, we'll take a look.

00:25:40.000 You know what else I'd kind of like to suggest this.

00:25:43.000 I haven't looked into this cause the thought just came to me, but I would be curious to see how likely these large studios are to refuse to work with famous celebrities when their stock price is down.

00:25:54.000 Because right now the market's not doing too great.

00:25:56.000 And I wonder if that gives leverage to entertainers and performers.

00:26:01.000 Maybe. But it does, yeah.

00:26:02.000 Well, when the industry is flopping, you know, we had Christian Toto on talking about Hollywood

00:26:07.000 freaking out. When Hollywood's losing their power and everyone's in panic because they're

00:26:12.000 aging out, the movies aren't making as much money. I mean, these Marvel movies are blockbusters.

00:26:17.000 They're massive, they're billion-dollar movies. But the industry itself, it looks like it's

00:26:21.000 in a downward trajectory outside of it.

00:26:23.000 Everything's consolidating.

00:26:24.000 Originality is on the decline.

00:26:27.000 You know, wokeness.

00:26:29.000 It may be even that, that people have finally realized, well, go broke.

00:26:32.000 Yeah.

00:26:33.000 There was a story about the new Superman comic I was reading from Bounding Into Comics.

00:26:37.000 The new Superman comic where Superman's son is bisexual.

00:26:41.000 It sold like half what the other one sold.

00:26:43.000 Now, I don't know, we talked about it, some were saying it's because the companies decide to sell less to comic book stores, something like that, but I'm like, okay, maybe, I don't know the nitty gritty of this, but I do know that people are complaining about it, they don't want to buy it.

00:26:56.000 You know, if the fans don't like it, they don't buy it.

00:26:59.000 So maybe that stuff's having an impact, and now people, Hollywood celebrities might just be like, it doesn't matter anymore, because this whole narrative on the left is ineffective, it loses money, When you look at, and it could even be as simple as Joe Biden's approval rating.

00:27:13.000 People look and they're like, Democrats are not popular and they're retiring in mass. 0.95

00:27:16.000 I'm jumping shit before it's too late. 0.97

00:27:17.000 Also, like you said earlier, Kerry, the Omicron changed the terrain. 0.97

00:27:23.000 It basically changed the layout of what's going on with COVID.

00:27:26.000 It's a less deadly, more contagious It's more contagious.

00:27:34.000 It's more mild.

00:27:36.000 But to your point on Hollywood, The Chosen, and if y'all haven't seen The Chosen, you need to see The Chosen.

00:27:42.000 It's free.

00:27:43.000 You guys know about The Chosen?

00:27:44.000 I've heard good things.

00:27:45.000 Okay, so The Chosen is a serial video series about the life of Christ.

00:27:50.000 And it was the most successful crowdfunded movie project ever.

00:27:55.000 And it was just Christians who wanted to have the story of Jesus told. 0.97

00:28:00.000 And it's with acting, and it's just very well done.

00:28:02.000 It's incredible.

00:28:03.000 The details, it's sort of like fan fiction, but it's actually based on the Bible, not

00:28:08.000 making a bunch of stuff up.

00:28:11.000 But they then, because the serial, they released it basically like a TV series, they then decided

00:28:18.000 to do a Christmas special in box office.

00:28:22.000 And it actually, this past Christmas season, it just came out in box office.

00:28:26.000 It actually, the opening weekend, per theater, shattered all the big Hollywood films, including, they defeated on revenue per theater, House of Gucci. 0.87

00:28:35.000 Which was like this, you know, huge money suck.

00:28:38.000 So it was incredible. 0.84

00:28:39.000 And that just shows.

00:28:40.000 And I actually interviewed the executive producer of The Chosen.

00:28:44.000 I said, how did you guys slay the giant here?

00:28:46.000 Like, how did you guys do this?

00:28:47.000 And they said, well, it's just the content.

00:28:51.000 And I said, well, I'm sure now at this point, as you were so successful, you've been approached by big houses.

00:28:55.000 And he said, yeah, but we're not going to surrender.

00:28:58.000 We're not going to give that up because they're going to try to pervert what we want to Preach, which is the gospel of Jesus.

00:29:05.000 And they're giving it away for free.

00:29:06.000 And their goal is to have it in the hands, I think, of two billion people.

00:29:10.000 I mean, they've already had, you know, hundreds of millions of people have viewed this.

00:29:13.000 So it's incredible.

00:29:14.000 Yeah, good for them.

00:29:15.000 We were sort of speaking about Hollywood and the fact that they're failing, and I think obviously a huge reason why new companies like this are becoming successful is because there's a niche in the market that needs to be filled.

00:29:26.000 People don't want to be preached at, or ironically, even when they do want to be preached at, they at least want it to be entertaining.

00:29:31.000 And I think there are obviously ways of spreading Christian morals and messages that don't come off as preaching, which are genuinely entertaining.

00:29:37.000 Now, when it comes to whether traditional Hollywood is going to be able to turn this spiral around and climb back up, I think the answer is probably no.

00:29:45.000 And the reason that I'm saying that it's not just out of a sense of optimism here, and I could be wrong, but I don't think this is a group of people who on the individual level are interested in success.

00:29:55.000 I believe because of their ideology, they see themselves as victims and they're satisfied complaining about how corrupt the system is when they fail.

00:30:02.000 So they don't need to get a taste of success.

00:30:04.000 I think these are, you know, when it comes to Hollywood, when it comes to the establishment left and the media, these are people who are only satisfied if someone else tells them they're worthy.

00:30:13.000 So that's why they all just virtue signal to each other.

00:30:16.000 But eventually that group becomes so broken and just brittle that they have no choice but to seek validation outside of that.

00:30:23.000 Exactly.

00:30:23.000 And so I think that's part of what we're seeing.

00:30:25.000 You know, look, for Evangeline Lilly to come out and say this is amazing and glad to see it's happening among celebrities, Who was there first, is the question, you know?

00:30:34.000 Who are the people that were always standing up for people's rights, that always stood on principle, never backed down, never questioned it?

00:30:40.000 I mean, those are the people of true principle.

00:30:42.000 So I can certainly say thank you to everybody who's coming around being like, we were wrong about this.

00:30:46.000 It's good to admit you were wrong.

00:30:47.000 Or if you never spoke up about it, speaking up about it now, it's a good thing.

00:30:50.000 Thank you for joining the fray.

00:30:51.000 But I think it's important to, you know, Keep that eye out.

00:30:55.000 Some people are just looking for validation.

00:30:58.000 And if they can't get it anymore because their side has gone nuts, they'll just pretend like they want validation from you.

00:31:04.000 Or at least they do want it and they're desperate for any kind of adoration.

00:31:09.000 You know, people who don't know how to think for themselves.

00:31:11.000 So they just say to you, you know, tell me what to say, tell me what to think.

00:31:14.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I think we saw a little bit of that with Claire Lehman

00:31:18.000 and Quillette where they kind of insinuated their way into what was considered the ideological

00:31:22.000 dark web, which was that right wing. Let me turn myself up a little bit. And they kind

00:31:26.000 of told right wingers what they wanted to hear until it came an opportunity for them

00:31:30.000 to be authoritarianism. And then the joke. Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:31:32.000 Claire, Claire, for those unfamiliar with with Quillette and Claire Lehman. I mean,

00:31:36.000 this is a really good example of the inverse. This is a this is a publication that

00:31:41.000 claimed to be like the intellectual dark web outlet. Now, the founder is pro relocation camp for

00:31:48.000 covid patients and for the covid suspects in Australia.

00:31:52.000 the Quillette and the founder are opposing efforts to get critical race praxis out of schools,

00:31:58.000 calling it censorship and anti-free speech.

00:32:01.000 So they came in, they said, come, come, come, give us money, give us money.

00:32:06.000 And then as soon as they had the opportunity, they just did that shift and they were like,

00:32:09.000 actually, we were cultist authoritarians the whole time.

00:32:11.000 So what's surprising to me is how many people I know still give Quillette money.

00:32:15.000 Like people who are following me on Twitter, or I'll see people tweet about it.

00:32:20.000 And I'm just like, wow.

00:32:22.000 You know, there are people that, you know, I've met.

00:32:24.000 And I'm like, how are you still involved in this organization that is outright pro-critical race theory, that is outright supportive of relocation camps for people suspected of coming into contact with another person who may have had COVID, that they support and defend and lie to protect Police going to the homes of people and taking them without charge or trial to a camp!

00:32:49.000 They're like, that's a good thing.

00:32:51.000 What is it, Claire?

00:32:52.000 And then Josh Zeps, I think, works for them, too.

00:32:54.000 I don't know if he works for them.

00:32:56.000 He's a broadcaster with Australian Broadcasting.

00:32:58.000 Okay, isn't it that they're basically under duress from their government?

00:33:02.000 It'd be like living in Nazi Germany and having to be like, yeah, the Nazis are just fine. 0.94

00:33:06.000 Wink, wink, get me out of here.

00:33:08.000 Wait, hang on, hang on.

00:33:09.000 I've known Josh Zeps for a long time.

00:33:11.000 He was from the left.

00:33:14.000 So I'm shocked to know that, OK, I didn't know this change about Colette.

00:33:18.000 So I would imagine that a lot of people are still giving them money, because this is news to me.

00:33:22.000 I didn't realize they had turned so sharply left.

00:33:24.000 So if they're still getting money from people on the right, it's because they might not know the shift has happened.

00:33:28.000 Because Josh Sheps, I mean, he's a nice person, but he is not a conservative in any sort of right sort of way.

00:33:35.000 So it's interesting, because that must be a new recent thing.

00:33:38.000 Because when I've worked with him, it was 2016, and he was the left guy.

00:33:42.000 Well, Claire Lehman worked for Rebel in Canada, I'm pretty sure, so that's very conservative.

00:33:48.000 But Ian, to address your point, Ian, I have to say, no, they may be under some duress to a certain degree, but if Avi Yemeni can go out in Australia, this reporter, this journalist, this personality, and stand in front of police officers and say, you cannot make me leave, I'm a journalist, Okay, if he can do that, Quillette can certainly be like, we think it's bad they're putting people in camps. 0.83

00:34:13.000 Because Avi does.

00:34:14.000 You know, he does it all day every day.

00:34:16.000 So there's a guy who has principles and a backbone who's challenging the authoritarianism.

00:34:20.000 Quillette, they played their little flute and attracted everybody to come over and throw money to them, and then now it's just been like, the state is great!

00:34:30.000 Those camps can go wrong.

00:34:35.000 But like, even if the government doesn't want to hurt people, if there's an emergency, and like a flood, and then people are stuck in the camp, that's when the guards start to have to make split second decisions.

00:34:44.000 That's when things can go really bad, is if the guards are gonna have to leave their post for some emergency.

00:34:49.000 You don't want people stuck in camps.

00:34:51.000 The camps went bad when the camps existed.

00:34:54.000 The idea of like a landing zone camp is understandable for incoming people in a quarantine and that kind of understand

00:35:00.000 like no Well, I mean, I understand the idea of a quarantine you 40 0.99

00:35:04.000 days in port you wait and then they let you into the country

00:35:06.000 That's the history of the word quarantine from Venice. What enda? Yeah building camps. Yeah is is 0.73

00:35:12.000 It's it's the first step to be fair It's a piece on the chessboard that can be used for great authoritarian damage, but it also could be used for its benevolent use.

00:35:26.000 But when an emergency happens, that's when you see the guards are like, I can't let these people out!

00:35:32.000 There's no running water anymore!

00:35:34.000 And people are like starving in the camps.

00:35:35.000 Also, what's to say these camps wouldn't become super spreader events themselves?

00:35:39.000 That's what I don't understand.

00:35:40.000 Because wasn't that the whole thing of liberals at the border?

00:35:43.000 Because they were saying, oh, we can't detain any illegal immigrant because they're going to be in these super spreader camps. 1.00

00:35:49.000 So we should just let them all go.

00:35:51.000 So that's what makes no sense to me about these camps in Australia, just from a logistical standpoint.

00:35:56.000 Josh Zapps is the guy who said that they were international arrival bungalows.

00:36:00.000 Bungalow.

00:36:01.000 Sounds like an Airbnb.

00:36:04.000 And then Claire Lehman is the one who took a bunch of these propaganda photos of Olympic athletes of like, you know, hot babes, she called it. 0.67

00:36:12.000 And she was like, look at all the hot babes in this relocation camp. 1.00

00:36:15.000 She didn't say relocation camp, but I did.

00:36:18.000 And so, uh, we made a shirt that's, uh, people on a beach with razor wire in front of them and a guy running from a police boat, and it says, Visit Howard Springs Totally Voluntary Relocation Camp.

00:36:30.000 It's actually why Luke left.

00:36:31.000 He saw those women, he's like, I gotta go to that.

00:36:33.000 Oh my gosh, you know what this reminds me of?

00:36:34.000 This reminds me of, uh, was it Fryfest?

00:36:37.000 Remember that big scandal where- Firefest.

00:36:39.000 Oh, Firefest, yeah, sorry, sorry.

00:36:41.000 Yeah, we're like the... Who was the guy doing it?

00:36:43.000 He raised like millions of dollars and we're supposed to be this magic camp where all these like influencers... Oh, I remember this!

00:36:50.000 With bottled water.

00:36:51.000 They got sued a lot.

00:36:52.000 They got sued a ton.

00:36:53.000 You know, so this guy... Billy McFarland.

00:36:56.000 Is that the guy's name?

00:36:57.000 Is that who it was?

00:36:58.000 Fraudulent luxury music festival founded by con artist Billy McFarland.

00:37:01.000 Is that real?

00:37:02.000 Is he a con artist?

00:37:03.000 And rapper Ja Rule.

00:37:04.000 That's from Wikipedia.

00:37:07.000 No, that's how it was.

00:37:07.000 Having a failed event is not the same as conning people, you know what I mean?

00:37:12.000 That's true.

00:37:13.000 I'm just saying from a marketing standpoint.

00:37:14.000 A fraudulent luxury music festival.

00:37:16.000 Remember when Tumblr, TumblrCon or whatever it was called?

00:37:18.000 Oh my goodness.

00:37:19.000 DerbyCon.

00:37:20.000 The inflatable ball pit?

00:37:21.000 Yeah, and it was like a kiddie pool.

00:37:23.000 I was there. 0.99

00:37:26.000 Who's in the balls, dude? 0.98

00:37:27.000 DerbyCon? 0.97

00:37:28.000 Yeah, they were like, we're gonna do a convention for Tumblr, and then, you know, everybody bought tickets, but then it was just a big empty, like, warehouse with, like, an inflatable kiddie pool from Walmart full of balls.

00:37:40.000 Wow.

00:37:41.000 But so, like, I wouldn't consider that a fraud or a scam just because someone's incompetent, you know what I mean?

00:37:46.000 I'm just saying, if you're calling it a bungalow, like, words matter, that's all.

00:37:51.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:37:52.000 And then, of course, he's the guy who went on Joe Rogan's show and said, you know, essentially that me and Magic Noir were alt-right.

00:38:00.000 And then Joe Rogan calls him out and he says, well, not Magic, because I know Magic.

00:38:04.000 So you're saying Tim Pool is... Alt-right means I don't know them.

00:38:09.000 No, it's just these people are... I'm going to say, like, I think they're evil people.

00:38:14.000 So, uh, many of them- Look, Josh Zips- I don't think Josh Zips is evil.

00:38:16.000 I just think he's- I don't know about him, but a lot of them are.

00:38:18.000 He's supporting camps where the police go to- they went to a woman's home, and they said you are being arrested without charge or trial, and she said she was told it was because she lied to them, that they took her from her home and put her in a camp for two weeks.

00:38:32.000 This guy lied about what these camps were doing.

00:38:34.000 Defended it, accused me of being alt-right for suggesting it, lied about my characterization of what was going on on Joe Rogan's show.

00:38:41.000 Joe didn't have enough information to defend what I'd actually said. 0.97

00:38:44.000 This dude is evil!

00:38:47.000 When they have camps and the police go to your home and say, come with us, we have the authority to take you under duress, with no due process, and he's going on the radio and saying, everybody, it's all right, go along with the police, get in the train car, get in the train car. 0.75

00:39:02.000 Yeah, that's evil.

00:39:02.000 That is an evil I'm not going to swear.

00:39:06.000 He's an evil guy. 0.98

00:39:07.000 100%. 0.92

00:39:07.000 Here's my question. 0.92

00:39:08.000 Is Josh Epps, though, more a product?

00:39:10.000 Because Josh is sort of his personality.

00:39:13.000 I'm not saying his beliefs.

00:39:15.000 I don't believe that.

00:39:16.000 He's an affable, likable person.

00:39:18.000 I think he's just doing this because the system is telling him he has to do this in order to whatever.

00:39:24.000 That's the banality of evil.

00:39:26.000 That's literally what it is.

00:39:29.000 Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

00:39:30.000 So is he... I guess it's all about intent.

00:39:34.000 Is he intentionally evil or is he not?

00:39:36.000 I don't think he's... You could say he's kind, generous, and honest, and still evil.

00:39:41.000 That can be true.

00:39:44.000 Let's be honest.

00:39:45.000 Lex Luthor.

00:39:46.000 Right?

00:39:47.000 A character in comic books often does try to save the world, but he doesn't care who he kills in the way.

00:39:52.000 Dr. Doom, for the same reason.

00:39:54.000 I'm not saying that Josh Epps is on par with any of these supervillain characters, but when he comes out and... First, I'll be kind.

00:40:04.000 When I somewhat hyperbolically said that these camps were concentration camps, as the Holocaust Museum defines it, that's a camp where you're taken without due process.

00:40:13.000 That's literally how the Holocaust Museum defined it.

00:40:16.000 So, I'm not even, you know, I'm somewhat trolling on Twitter, and I've admitted that.

00:40:20.000 I'm like, I'm just pushing buttons and like, you know, posting silly nonsense.

00:40:23.000 So he gets mad, and he's like, calling an international arrival bungalow a concentration camp is wrong.

00:40:30.000 And then I'm like, okay, you know, my response was, I was being a little hyperbolic, that I can accept, but come on, international arrival bungalow?

00:40:37.000 My point was, it's only a matter of time before they round up their own citizens and send them to the camp. 0.90

00:40:41.000 And after that did happen, and I was proven right, he still lies about what I said.

00:40:48.000 Quillette does everything in their power to mischaracterize my claims.

00:40:52.000 When I said you had the, I think it was the premier of the Northern Territories.

00:40:56.000 I don't know a whole lot about Australian politics, to be honest.

00:40:58.000 I have a bunch of friends down there.

00:40:59.000 I talk to them quite often.

00:41:00.000 They tell me what's going on.

00:41:02.000 So then I read news stories.

00:41:03.000 He said that the people who live in these areas no longer had the right to leave their homes unless it was a medical emergency.

00:41:09.000 That means you can't even leave your home for food.

00:41:12.000 That's what I said.

00:41:13.000 How did they characterize what I said?

00:41:14.000 The state is depriving them of food.

00:41:16.000 No, no, I said you can't even leave your home to get food.

00:41:19.000 So if you're hungry, you gotta wait.

00:41:20.000 And then his response?

00:41:22.000 But they're delivering food to their homes.

00:41:24.000 I'm like, great.

00:41:25.000 When the state locks you in your house like China did, like the Chinese Communist Party did, when they show up to your house and take you by vehicle to a camp, And then you lie about what I said, you lie to defend it, and then you accuse me of being alt-right in an attempt to deflect the entire conversation? 1.00

00:41:40.000 I'm sorry, there is no way you can argue that man is not an evil piece of garbage. 0.95

00:41:45.000 Well, good for you for admitting that you spoke, you know, you even said, OK, I was trolling and he didn't have the courage to respond in any sort of gracious, you know, or whatever. 0.97

00:41:55.000 They mention, you know, Tim even acknowledged that he was being facetious a bit or whatever.

00:42:00.000 And I'm like, right.

00:42:01.000 I'm not literally saying that they're, you know, putting Australians in gas chambers.

00:42:05.000 No, but they are concentrating them in camps.

00:42:08.000 I mean, come on, let's just call a spade a spade, man.

00:42:10.000 Get over it.

00:42:13.000 There's a Holocaust Museum website, I think it might be out of Illinois, and they said, what makes a concentration camp different from a normal prison?

00:42:23.000 They said, when you are placed there without due process.

00:42:26.000 And I'm like, OK, well, if that's their definition.

00:42:28.000 But I wasn't even getting to that point.

00:42:29.000 I was just saying, like, the historical and traditional definition was where people were being heavily concentrated, typically in a time of war or conflict.

00:42:37.000 Yeah.

00:42:38.000 In Nazi Germany, they weren't being gassed at the concentration camps in the beginning, either.

00:42:42.000 They were just concentrating people there.

00:42:44.000 Well, some of them they were.

00:42:44.000 Just moving them there.

00:42:45.000 But some of them were... Not at the very beginning.

00:42:47.000 Some of them were always... They were work camps at first.

00:42:49.000 Well, I think history will show, and is already showing, that Josh Epps is on the absolute wrong side of everything.

00:42:57.000 He's on the wrong side of science.

00:42:59.000 He's on the wrong side of policy.

00:43:00.000 He's on the wrong side of economics.

00:43:03.000 So, at the end of the day, I don't really care what Josh Epps has to say.

00:43:08.000 So props to you.

00:43:09.000 I'm on your side 100%.

00:43:11.000 But I think, I guess my point is that, you know, as far as, so for Independent Women's Forum, we're all about trying to get persuadable people.

00:43:22.000 And so We try to be, as we like to say, happy warriors.

00:43:25.000 We don't try to use language that is so hyperbolic that we're going to turn people off.

00:43:30.000 But the problem is in this day and age when everyone is always about throwing bombs and trying to be the most outrageous, jumping the shark, you know, how does something reasonable, how does it break through?

00:43:42.000 Is that why we have to use the most extreme language to go after somebody like Josh Sheps?

00:43:46.000 Like, that's what I find so upsetting, because I'm like, I don't want to call him an evil person.

00:43:50.000 I think he's totally wrong, and I think he's just on the wrong side of everything.

00:43:55.000 But like, at what point do we, you know, turn people off by being so, you know, hyperbolic?

00:43:59.000 That's what Josh was saying.

00:44:01.000 There's a line.

00:44:01.000 This is the challenge.

00:44:02.000 And that line is, if someone's going around, you know, murdering babies, for instance, like, do you just say, we don't think that's evil?

00:44:12.000 Well, that is evil, yeah.

00:44:12.000 We just disagree.

00:44:13.000 Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah.

00:44:15.000 I agree.

00:44:15.000 That is, that is evil, yeah.

00:44:15.000 I agree.

00:44:16.000 So, so, there is the issue.

00:44:17.000 But what I'm saying is there are good people, there are people who are good, who believe in abortion. 0.93

00:44:22.000 As in, like, they, to them, they don't understand why it's evil.

00:44:27.000 So everyone who's gotten an abortion is an evil person?

00:44:30.000 No, I didn't say that, but how about a guy who goes around and lies about what they're

00:44:33.000 actually doing and tells you all of the truths and realities when you guys go out and say,

00:44:38.000 here's what they're actually doing.

00:44:39.000 And then someone goes in the room and says, don't listen to him.

00:44:41.000 They're lying. 0.97

00:44:42.000 They're actually white supremacists. 0.98

00:44:43.000 You, none of that happens. 0.89

00:44:45.000 They're not selling body parts.

00:44:46.000 That's all not true.

00:44:47.000 Listen to my voice.

00:44:48.000 Listen, is it, is it evil to go on the radio and tell millions of people that the truth

00:44:52.000 is actually not true?

00:44:53.000 If, if in order to, to, you know, so look, there have been a bunch of stories about a

00:44:59.000 parenthood and the selling of body parts and we covered him on the show.

00:45:04.000 But you go to some of these news websites and they will outright tell you, it never happened.

00:45:08.000 Is that evil?

00:45:10.000 Is it evil? 0.99

00:45:12.000 Might be ignorant. 0.99

00:45:13.000 Well, so also, I think it's... JMS is evil. 0.99

00:45:15.000 Yeah, absolutely it's evil.

00:45:16.000 No, I agree.

00:45:17.000 Planned Parenthood is evil.

00:45:18.000 Yeah.

00:45:19.000 And I guess, like I said, it's all about intent.

00:45:21.000 So if... I think a lot of things are repeated in the media because of peer pressure and because they actually don't take the time.

00:45:29.000 They're not intellectually curious.

00:45:31.000 There's so much groupthink.

00:45:32.000 So I think there are a lot of people who might repeat something because they don't actually know that it's evil.

00:45:37.000 So in that case, is the intent of them repeating a lie?

00:45:40.000 So yeah, I guess...

00:45:42.000 It's splitting hairs here, but I think it's important from just like a messaging standpoint.

00:45:46.000 Let me ask.

00:45:47.000 So when Josh Zeps, you know, when I said my point was that it's only a matter of time before they take Australian citizens and bring them there, when he discovered that was true, Would it then still be good for him to lie about what I said and not admit he was wrong? 0.81

00:46:04.000 No, that would be evil.

00:46:05.000 I guess that's what I'm saying is the intent and the ignorance, you know, it's all about intent and ignorance.

00:46:12.000 So if someone is truly ignorant about what they're saying, how can you judge them as the same as someone who is not truly investigated?

00:46:18.000 That's my point.

00:46:20.000 Oh yeah, it's not malicious.

00:46:21.000 Malicious, yeah.

00:46:22.000 Well, also, I think there's a really important distinction we need to make here, because I think you guys might agree, but the way the language is coming across, there seems as if there's more of a disagreement than there is.

00:46:32.000 We can make a distinction between this person is evil and this action was evil, so we can say that a particular individual might not be morally culpable for engaging in an evil behavior because they didn't know better, but said behavior was still evil.

00:46:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:44.000 The sin versus the sinner.

00:46:46.000 Love the sinner, hate the sin.

00:46:47.000 Exactly.

00:46:47.000 I guess that's, yeah, that's a very, you know, that's what Jesus said.

00:46:52.000 But I see what the Quillette people are doing as willful. 0.99

00:46:55.000 Yeah, no, I agree with that.

00:46:56.000 If you know better, then that is, I agree, that's evil. 0.95

00:46:59.000 If you intentionally know the damages of CRT and what it does to race relations, what it does to black people, tells them they are hopelessly, you know, basically damned, that's evil. 0.97

00:47:11.000 I agree. 0.80

00:47:11.000 And if you know that and you're now lying willfully, maliciously, then yeah, I think that's evil. 0.80

00:47:17.000 But I think it's all about how much do you know, that's all.

00:47:20.000 Right, but so that would just be the banality of evil, right?

00:47:22.000 So the people in Nazi Germany who were just like, I was just following orders or whatever, we called that the banality of evil.

00:47:28.000 But you're talking about premeditated evil.

00:47:30.000 Yeah, malicious, intentional destruction.

00:47:32.000 And that's what I'm saying is like, okay, and I guess I'm saying this all as someone who was raised in a very abusive cult.

00:47:39.000 When someone came at me and tried to attack me, that's the whole point of a cult, is that it actually made me trench in more.

00:47:46.000 So that's my fear when we go around and call people evil without putting the knowledge and the education in front of it, then they actually entrench even more.

00:47:55.000 Josh Zeps, when he was on Rogan, specifically said he felt like he would be talking to one of his friends and be like, well, the thing is, Okay, they said they were concentrating, they're actually just, and then Tim is out there being like, no, don't listen to him!

00:48:07.000 Don't listen to Josh!

00:48:08.000 They are concentrating, but wait, listen, and so Josh feels attacked.

00:48:11.000 You can tell from the way he was explaining it that he felt that you were irrationally attacking, and that's the miscommunication.

00:48:18.000 What he was saying was when he was talking to Australian people, But we don't have a particularly prominent Australian audience at all.

00:48:25.000 I know for a fact, I look at the numbers, I know the geographics, I know that people in Australia do listen to us sometimes.

00:48:30.000 And they super chat saying like, the hours are wonky because of when you guys go live in Eastern time.

00:48:35.000 But his point was that when he's talking with people in Australia, who mostly don't know who we are, No, he was angry because, in my opinion, even Joe said this.

00:48:46.000 And I don't even know if Joe was joking.

00:48:48.000 He was just like, are you working for the state?

00:48:51.000 He's like, because every criticism comes up, you deflect, you defend.

00:48:54.000 And he's like, they got you on those state drugs?

00:48:56.000 What is it?

00:48:57.000 And so I'm like... Then Joe comes out in a later episode and he was like, that dude, you can't do that.

00:49:03.000 Accused Majid Nawaz and Tim Pool of being alt-right or whatever.

00:49:05.000 But I don't want to keep harping on this one guy.

00:49:07.000 I think everyone gets the point.

00:49:08.000 Can I just mention one more thing because you made a really interesting point about how you're not really going to persuade people if you come at them in too harsh a way.

00:49:15.000 And I think ultimately it's a question of whether the person you are interacting with is someone you can say with any degree of certainty is acting in good faith.

00:49:22.000 Right.

00:49:23.000 And so oftentimes there are people who really don't know better and so I'll have a conversation with somebody about Abortion or homosexuality or something where I believe they're misinformed and I think in that case It doesn't make sense to sit there and tell them that they're an evil person But then again if I'm speaking to an abortionist who knows what's happening who's actually killing these children I mean that person is evil and so it's good. 0.69

00:49:42.000 There's gonna be a different approach.

00:49:44.000 I think Yeah, no, I agree with that.

00:49:46.000 And I think also because, like I said, for what I do on a day-to-day basis, I'm trying to reach women.

00:49:51.000 Sadly, women are so susceptible to the total BS of CRT. 1.00

00:49:56.000 They are so much more susceptible to the language of the left.

00:50:00.000 I mean, even the New York Times actually did this big long write-up about gender differences on college campuses and how, compared to the 80s, Believe it or not, men in the 80s, according to this study, were actually more liberal than women in the 80s.

00:50:15.000 And flash forward to now, where women are far more liberal and women have bought into the lies of CRT and just all of the sexual, you know, total, I don't want to swear, but just made up stuff about, you know, Dragonflies or something, just for no reason.

00:50:42.000 And then you're like, hey, they shouldn't do that, because those dragonflies are actually killing mosquitoes or something.

00:50:47.000 I wouldn't come up to them and be like, you evil... I'd be like, excuse me, did you know?

00:50:51.000 And if they say, that's interesting. 0.98

00:50:54.000 Hey everybody, this guy's lying and he's racist. 0.99

00:50:56.000 I bet, okay, this person's evil. 1.00

00:50:57.000 Exactly.

00:50:57.000 This person's acting in bad faith, they're malicious, they want to destroy, they want to cause harm, or they believe they have rights over you and they should lie to you to control you.

00:51:05.000 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 So if the average person is engaging in something that's bad, well, yeah.

00:51:09.000 You treat them like a regular person.

00:51:11.000 In fact, I don't even give them, it's not even about one chance,

00:51:13.000 it's about two, three chances even. 1.00

00:51:15.000 What if you talk to a little kid and he's like, you're stupid. 1.00

00:51:17.000 And you're like, no, actually, I'm actually kind of smart. 1.00

00:51:20.000 And the kid's like, no, you're stupid. 1.00

00:51:22.000 Is the kid evil? 1.00

00:51:24.000 Just because he keeps telling you you're a liar. 1.00

00:51:26.000 Is it, no, you're a racist liar. 1.00

00:51:28.000 And you're like, no, I'm not. 1.00

00:51:29.000 And he's like, yeah, racist liar. 0.99

00:51:31.000 Like, is that six-year-old evil because he's repeating this stuff? 0.99

00:51:34.000 Yeah, but he's just repeating.

00:51:34.000 He's six.

00:51:36.000 He's brainwashed.

00:51:36.000 He's not evil.

00:51:37.000 But Ian, listen. 1.00

00:51:39.000 If that six-year-old starts killing small animals, and you tell him to stop, and he tells you to shut up because you're stupid and keeps doing it, Right. 1.00

00:51:45.000 Is he evil or is he brainwashed? 1.00

00:51:47.000 I don't know, man.

00:51:48.000 Kids are just a product of their environment for the most part.

00:51:51.000 Some kids have mental conditions and they harm animals for no reason and they don't stop and they grow up.

00:51:56.000 Some kids like burning things down and end up killing people.

00:51:59.000 Not every person is always going to be a good person and sometimes they're very young when they do bad things.

00:52:04.000 Yeah, I think also I want to add something piggybacking off of what you just said to clarify a statement I made earlier where I was referencing the difference between your average person who believes in abortion and an abortionist.

00:52:13.000 I'm also not suggesting that an abortionist is someone who's completely beyond redemption either.

00:52:17.000 I think that we should try to persuade and help anyone and everyone we can to see the truth, but obviously for different people there's different approaches and some people are going to be more difficult than others.

00:52:25.000 But Ian, I would say that it's a question of whether that child is past the age of reason.

00:52:30.000 And of course, children are much more impressionable.

00:52:34.000 So I think there's more hope in such a circumstance that you're going to be able to modify the

00:52:38.000 behavior.

00:52:39.000 It's not as baked in.

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 I think it was Frederick Douglass who said it's easier to build up healthy children than

00:52:45.000 to repair broken men.

00:52:47.000 Yes.

00:52:48.000 So I think, you know, I want to go back to something you were talking about with women

00:52:50.000 being more susceptible to CRT and stuff.

00:52:53.000 And I'm wondering if that's due perhaps to, you know, the trope of women being more socially 0.61

00:52:59.000 inclined and men being more like physically inclined or, you know, goal oriented, if you

00:53:05.000 know what I mean.

00:53:06.000 Yeah, more achievement or, well, I think there are, it's personality traits.

00:53:13.000 I mean, I think this whole concept of what's toxic masculinity is something that is sprung out of nothing.

00:53:19.000 So CRT is just, you know, one branch of critical theory.

00:53:22.000 So there's the critical gender theory, critical race theory.

00:53:25.000 all of these things.

00:53:25.000 I feel like it's inverted.

00:53:27.000 So it's just, it is one big Marxist lie at the end of the day,

00:53:30.000 but I think women are more susceptible because, well in general, women are more liberal. 1.00

00:53:35.000 I mean, I said the thing about the 80s, but generally speaking, voting patterns nationally 0.61

00:53:38.000 is that women, they, you know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. 1.00

00:53:43.000 And so it always sounds nice that Marxism is this fairy tale that sounds nice.

00:53:48.000 Like, why not give everybody free stuff?

00:53:49.000 What I'm asking is, I feel like it's inverted.

00:53:52.000 I feel like women are more social than men.

00:53:55.000 So they're more likely to vote Democrat because of critical race theory.

00:53:59.000 So if you look at Instagram, for instance, the women are substantially more likely to get depressed 0.80

00:54:05.000 over likes and posting images than men do, because there's a social interaction of being accepted

00:54:11.000 and being cheered on by your peers.

00:54:14.000 So, I'm not a psychologist or an evolutionary psychologist or biologist or anything like that, so I don't know exactly if that's true.

00:54:22.000 Just something that I've read, so I'm wondering, you know, when I look at the poll from Vox that showed around 70% of millennial women are Democrats, Is this because of social behaviors that men are less likely to be influenced by?

00:54:35.000 Does that result in them taking up CRT?

00:54:37.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:54:38.000 I mean, I think there is the groupthink and the virtue signaling and the rewards.

00:54:43.000 So if you come out and you say, you know, I'm a 12-year-old girl and I'm going to start getting testosterone blockers.

00:54:52.000 You will get a lot of Instagram likes.

00:54:55.000 You're going to be cheered.

00:54:56.000 And what if you are a 13-year-old girl and say, I was wrong about that and want to stop?

00:55:03.000 You'll be shunned.

00:55:04.000 Is there any evidence that show if women are more likely to fall into cults than men?

00:55:10.000 Have you guys ever looked into that kind of thing?

00:55:12.000 That is a good question.

00:55:13.000 Well, what's interesting is that there were, within Mormonism, which we were talking about because my ancestors helped found it, polygamy.

00:55:20.000 It's a thing.

00:55:21.000 There were females and males in polygamy.

00:55:26.000 Males in Mormonism, just in general.

00:55:28.000 Well, yeah, I think for sure in practicing Mormonism. 0.98

00:55:32.000 I think that's the agreeableness.

00:55:34.000 Jordan Peterson's Big Five personality traits, I think it's agreeableness would be the one that would make it people kind of just get along, go along to get along.

00:55:42.000 Yeah.

00:55:43.000 And refuse to dissent.

00:55:45.000 Dissent comes with a social cost.

00:55:48.000 So yeah, so the way the left and Marxism has taken over the cultural outputs of media, Hollywood, and academia, the rewards for dissension are de-minimizing every year.

00:56:01.000 So that might be part of it, for sure.

00:56:03.000 Tim, I think you're onto something.

00:56:05.000 I've found multiple articles.

00:56:06.000 Yeah.

00:56:06.000 Women are more likely to be in cults than men.

00:56:09.000 Makes sense.

00:56:10.000 So this one is just from Steemit, so I'm not sure.

00:56:11.000 It says it's from The Independent.

00:56:13.000 I just pulled it up on Google.

00:56:15.000 And it says, women are more likely to attend traditional religious services and more vulnerable

00:56:19.000 to joining cults.

00:56:21.000 There's a bunch of other articles talking about the same thing.

00:56:24.000 There was one about NXIVM, which, from the National Post, that said women are more susceptible to joining cults.

00:56:30.000 And there's another one from 2014 about Brazil, and they said majority of the women around the world,

00:56:34.000 majority of the people around the world in cults are women.

00:56:36.000 Tribal life was probably just like a call. 0.97

00:56:38.000 You got your tribal chief, who's the cult leader, and then everybody else. 0.89

00:56:43.000 And then in some cults, or in some cults, in some like tribes, cultures, where the word comes from, they would like all share the child-rearing together.

00:56:52.000 Like all the men would have sex with all the women and they would just, no one knew who the dad was.

00:56:55.000 They would just all as a tribe raise the children. 0.79

00:56:58.000 Very cult-like.

00:56:59.000 It tends to be very ineffective.

00:57:00.000 Very modern-day cult like you would consider.

00:57:02.000 That would be a very weird polygamous cult. 0.99

00:57:04.000 What were you going to say, Seamus?

00:57:05.000 Well, I think another way of analyzing this and the political differences that we tend to see between men and women is it seems to be the case, and there are some smaller studies which have suggested this, but men are much more comfortable with hierarchy than women are.

00:57:18.000 Women tend to be more comfortable in an egalitarian structure. 1.00

00:57:20.000 Yes, that's what the New York Times article was saying as well.

00:57:22.000 Interesting, okay, yeah.

00:57:25.000 Which is a very Marxist idea, the egalitarian promise of Marxism, which is actually a lie because they have their elite party leaders who are by far the top of the hierarchy.

00:57:39.000 No, exactly, and so I believe that there's obviously value in this and I'm, you know, a firm believer in complementarianism and that men and women are different and, you know, our strengths sort of complement one another's weaknesses and vice versa.

00:57:52.000 There are good reasons in some circumstances to be skeptical of an authority structure and so it's good that that is baked into a woman generally in a way that's not baked into men, but also it is often the case where the authority structure is fine, And you have to submit to it even if it hurts your ego and in those cases a more male way, so to speak, of thinking about the issue tends to be the better one. 0.93

00:58:13.000 And it's really interesting that we can actually see how that affects people's voting patterns.

00:58:19.000 Well, it's interesting you said that about the hierarchy with business, because I remember that's something that Jordan Peterson has said over and over, because, you know, women in business are always like, you know, men always run business and it's all sexism, why, you know, there's the pay gap, which we know is mythological and isn't real.

00:58:37.000 But they repeat these lies because it makes them feel good, because there are fewer female CEOs. 1.00

00:58:44.000 And they're always saying, well, we need to have a female way of doing business. 1.00

00:58:47.000 But as Jordan Peterson says, OK, if there was an actual female way to do business versus male way, the market would reward this. 1.00

00:58:56.000 If there was a non-hierarchical way to do business successfully, the market would reward it.

00:59:00.000 But it doesn't, because it's not true.

00:59:02.000 James Damore, he was a Google employee, and he actually wrote, we should change the way we do business here to accommodate women. 1.00

00:59:12.000 They called him sexist for it.

00:59:14.000 The weirdest thing to me is that, here's a guy who's saying, I recognize that women are in a patriarchy, and we should be more accommodating to them, and they were like, burn the witch.

00:59:25.000 Or the warlock in this instance. 0.74

00:59:26.000 Yeah, the wizard.

00:59:27.000 No, but I mean, he was saying, like, women work better in different environments than men, so why don't we do this, that, or otherwise?

00:59:32.000 And they were like, it was a white supremacist alt-right racist, and it's just like, so when they agree with you, they're racist, when they disagree with you, they're racist?

00:59:40.000 Sure. 0.83

00:59:41.000 It's like a moth being drawn to the fire.

00:59:43.000 They're like, come, moths, come to the flame!

00:59:45.000 And then when they get too close, they're like, ha ha ha.

00:59:47.000 You did exactly what we wanted you to do.

00:59:49.000 Yeah, it was a trick.

00:59:50.000 You spouted our rhetoric.

00:59:51.000 Well, and then also if there was a real pay gap, there would be no men ever hired. 0.87

00:59:56.000 Like if you could get the same quality, same caliber, same credentialing of a female worker for whatever, 25% less, hell, y'all would be unemployed. 1.00

01:00:06.000 Except that argument assumes men and women have equal capabilities. 0.88

01:00:12.000 So I always thought that was interesting because there's a video by this guy Maddox.

01:00:16.000 You ever see it?

01:00:17.000 The truth about the wage gap or whatever.

01:00:19.000 It's actually really well done.

01:00:19.000 He made it a long time ago.

01:00:20.000 And he's like, want to know one simple reason why there's no such thing as a pay gap?

01:00:25.000 Because if there was, no company would ever hire men.

01:00:28.000 Unless...

01:00:29.000 you had to pay the same but men were better at the job.

01:00:32.000 Then they would only hire men.

01:00:34.000 Exactly.

01:00:35.000 Yeah.

01:00:35.000 Well, it's so sad too that there are people who want to deny the reality of these differences

01:00:39.000 because the world is so beautiful in so many ways.

01:00:43.000 And one of the things that makes it so beautiful is the contrast between men and women.

01:00:47.000 And if we deny that which makes us weaker when we're apart, we're also foregoing that which makes us stronger

01:00:52.000 when we come together, or at least acknowledging that.

01:00:54.000 Men and women really need each other.

01:00:55.000 But when you want to have this sort of strange, flat, egalitarian, Marxist-style thinking surrounding gender, you lose all that.

01:01:02.000 There isn't any such thing as a trait which is more prevalent or common among men.

01:01:08.000 You wouldn't refer to, like, the masculine virtues or feminine virtues or anything like that.

01:01:12.000 Yeah, because like Celine Dion, she creates a genderless line of baby clothes because gender is just a construct. 1.00

01:01:18.000 And you know, which is so crazy.

01:01:20.000 I went through a really codependent kind of long term relationship about six years.

01:01:23.000 So I came out of it, pendulum swung the other way.

01:01:26.000 And I was like, I want to be in a relationship where we're equal, where we're both powerful, Face, you know alpha we're both, you know Equal means the same and so I tried to go that route and it didn't work men and women aren't the same No, we're very different and Sometimes I think women are not equipped to play a support role It's not that the man can't play a support role, but man women are good at it I don't know if that's in that's a generalization like the man is the tank and the woman is the healer Yes

01:01:54.000 Well, and it's also, again, this is all very biblical, so it's going to be very offensive to people.

01:02:00.000 But yeah, there's just a natural law structure to things where women do look to men for leadership. 1.00

01:02:04.000 And women are miserable when they're with men who won't step up and take that role. 0.97

01:02:08.000 They don't enjoy that. 0.98

01:02:09.000 Sounding like Jordan Peterson.

01:02:10.000 I know.

01:02:10.000 It's like, it's unbelievable.

01:02:12.000 Here's the thing that people don't understand about men and women.

01:02:15.000 They look for men to be leaders.

01:02:17.000 Keep going.

01:02:18.000 That's great.

01:02:18.000 It's like, here's the thing.

01:02:20.000 Can you identify as Jordan Peterson?

01:02:20.000 Here's the thing.

01:02:22.000 Can I get your autograph?

01:02:23.000 Yeah, you can get my autograph.

01:02:24.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:02:25.000 Ladies and gentlemen, as long as Seamus does identify as Dr. Jordan Peterson, then I can write down that we had him on the show.

01:02:31.000 It's true.

01:02:32.000 Well, the thing is, whenever you have one of those relationships where the guy's like, she's the boss, I feel so bad for both of them.

01:02:38.000 For both of them.

01:02:39.000 No one's happy with that arrangement.

01:02:41.000 I mean, maybe there might be a situation where that works.

01:02:42.000 Because she's like, why won't he just step up and do the things?

01:02:45.000 Well, hold on, hold on.

01:02:46.000 Hold on, Seamus.

01:02:47.000 You look at lions, right?

01:02:49.000 And the male lion lays his about, does nothing.

01:02:53.000 The women do all the work, get all the food. 1.00

01:02:55.000 He eats whatever he wants first, goes back to sleep, and then she has all the babies? 0.99

01:02:59.000 He's got it made.

01:03:00.000 Yeah, I mean, isn't that what's going on with these guys?

01:03:02.000 Not fulfilling.

01:03:03.000 But that's the thing.

01:03:04.000 And I've said this before.

01:03:05.000 We live in a culture where women are acting like men and men are acting like children. 1.00

01:03:10.000 And part of the reason women are acting like men is because the men are acting like children, and someone needs to usurp that role, unfortunately. 0.96

01:03:16.000 I'm not saying it's a good thing.

01:03:18.000 Well, the government is.

01:03:18.000 That's what's happened.

01:03:19.000 The government has destroyed, for example, the black family. 0.88

01:03:23.000 Absolutely.

01:03:24.000 The fact that 75% of black babies pre-welfare were born in two-parent homes, and now it's the reverse. 0.94

01:03:31.000 What's happened is that Uncle Sam has taken over the role of the father, the provider in the home.

01:03:37.000 I mean, I've heard that quite a bit, but I wonder if it's just how about we just address that first point in whatever form.

01:03:37.000 Perhaps.

01:03:44.000 So, for instance, Black Lives Matter wants to disrupt the nuclear family. 0.96

01:03:48.000 I don't know if we need to come out and be like welfare specifically, other than to just say, hey, families are good.

01:03:53.000 Well, yeah, it's the culture.

01:03:55.000 It's always a feedback loop, but the culture predicated the policy, and then the policy exacerbated the culture because it didn't happen overnight.

01:04:03.000 I want to talk about that.

01:04:05.000 I just want to mention one more thing.

01:04:06.000 There was actually an analysis, I believe from the Brookings Institute, which is really fascinating because it said that The primary reason for the breaking up of the black family and the fatherlessness epidemic, which of course we are catching up to as well, was actually Roe v. Wade.

01:04:21.000 And the fact that women could get abortions really subverted the family structure. 1.00

01:04:25.000 It was all of it.

01:04:26.000 I think it was also just the normalization with the 60s of the disruption of, you know, the drug, sex, and rock and roll.

01:04:32.000 That basically the norms of, okay, let's wait till we're married before we have sex. 0.98

01:04:38.000 That was totally thrown out the window by the 60s.

01:04:40.000 So this whole era was the infantilization of a generation.

01:04:44.000 to be told to live for your pleasures, for your short-term gains, for your whims, like a child,

01:04:50.000 instead of realizing you gotta roll up your sleeves and strive for yourself.

01:04:53.000 That trickles down.

01:04:54.000 And I look at, I hear these stories.

01:04:58.000 You know, your grandfather, he could support a family of five on a high school

01:05:02.000 education and I'm just like, there is a lot to break down there

01:05:05.000 in terms of even immigration and stuff like that.

01:05:07.000 But also, these are people who fought in World War II and they knew the value of hard work

01:05:12.000 and they knew what it meant if you did not struggle to survive, you did not survive.

01:05:17.000 And then you get the next generation that have all the fruits of World War II. 0.69

01:05:21.000 We decimated the Japanese and German industries. 1.00

01:05:25.000 Among a variety of things, our industries explode, our economy is booming, we have all of these babies, and they grow up in a world where everything's handed to them.

01:05:33.000 Now, I'm very much critical of, overall, the boomer generation. 0.79

01:05:39.000 They've extracted a ton of wealth for themselves.

01:05:41.000 They're hoarding all of that wealth.

01:05:43.000 And, yeah, I certainly think millennials are a lost generation, too.

01:05:46.000 But I think it starts with this, and I think it's very simply, you know, you can call it Strauss-Howe generational theory, you could call it strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times, et cetera, and we're in that hard time phase.

01:05:59.000 So, the way I view the boomer generation, Some of Gen X and Millennials as their children.

01:06:06.000 They are childlike generations.

01:06:08.000 They don't understand the real world.

01:06:11.000 And by real world, I mean take someone, take a human being, take away all of their clothing and everything they own and put them in the middle of the woods.

01:06:19.000 Welcome to reality.

01:06:21.000 Because that's what life was like.

01:06:22.000 But we've created this bubble of security and safety and industry and technology.

01:06:27.000 And we're all born into it.

01:06:29.000 Imagine starting a video game, like you're playing, you know, Zelda, but you have every weapon and every item.

01:06:34.000 You wouldn't understand what you're earning in the video game.

01:06:36.000 Imagine if you're playing an RPG and your character starts completely invincible with all of this power and money.

01:06:43.000 You'd be like, what am I doing?

01:06:44.000 Exactly.

01:06:45.000 Why am I playing this game?

01:06:46.000 It makes the game hard to learn when you have all the abilities when you start.

01:06:51.000 Tim, I 10,000% everything you just said, I completely agree with.

01:06:53.000 I mean, like the word teenager, Didn't exist, really.

01:06:57.000 Like, the concept of a teenager, a teen.

01:07:00.000 I'm a teen, a preteen, or whatever.

01:07:02.000 Like, that didn't really happen, I don't think, until the 50s.

01:07:05.000 Like, is the word teenager in the Bible?

01:07:07.000 No.

01:07:08.000 Is it in the Odyssey?

01:07:09.000 No.

01:07:10.000 Like, it's a concept.

01:07:11.000 It is a wealthy, post-industrialized, rich country, spoiled, who's living off the backs of the greatest generation.

01:07:20.000 You wanna get real offensive to everybody?

01:07:23.000 Feminism only exists in secure, wealthy nations. 1.00

01:07:26.000 Absolutely.

01:07:27.000 10,000%.

01:07:28.000 It's a luxury.

01:07:29.000 It's a luxury item.

01:07:30.000 And yeah.

01:07:31.000 Well, it's a correction mechanism.

01:07:33.000 It redistributes the wealth because once that society has feminism, it starts to collapse and the societies that actually have their gender roles together, sexual roles together, take over. 1.00

01:07:40.000 But it's also the case that with the boomers, what's so tragic about that generation is we look back on them. 0.98

01:07:47.000 And when I say we, I'm talking about the common narrative, not necessarily what people here believe.

01:07:51.000 Well, people look back on them as if they were this incredible revolutionary generation that came in and shook the foundations.

01:07:57.000 Dude, their parents had lived through the Great Depression and then lived through the Second World War, many of them fighting in it.

01:08:04.000 And even those who didn't fight in it had to struggle through the hard times of rationing.

01:08:08.000 And then with all of the wisdom that their parents had accumulated, they turned around and were like, we need to give them our wisdom. 0.93

01:08:14.000 Like mom and dad, like, no, I'm going to go to a rock and roll concert and have sex with strangers! 0.92

01:08:19.000 And we look back on this as if we call it a revolution. 0.98

01:08:22.000 It was the sexual revolution. 0.69

01:08:24.000 And that's great if you understand the term revolution the way I do, which is in a negative connotation.

01:08:28.000 But to glorify that kind of behavior, it was a generation of spoiled teenagers who ended up ruining their inheritance.

01:08:33.000 No, totally.

01:08:34.000 And it's not progressive at all.

01:08:36.000 It is regressive.

01:08:37.000 Talking about, like, what you were talking about.

01:08:39.000 Our ancestors living in huts.

01:08:41.000 And, you know, I have Native American ancestors, so I can say this.

01:08:46.000 You know, it's savage.

01:08:50.000 It's living in, you know, societies that are, you know, promiscuous.

01:08:55.000 It's regressive to go back to that.

01:08:57.000 Marriage was an innovation for women.

01:09:01.000 I'm not as negative on feminism as you are, Seamus.

01:09:04.000 No one is.

01:09:05.000 So when I say getting offensive, I think it's a fact that if you look across the world at all of these countries, the countries that are least secure, it's very difficult for women to have rights to have power because war, conflict, aggression.

01:09:20.000 But I think we need a healthy balance.

01:09:21.000 I certainly think there's been instances of, you know, men controlling too much and women being less involved.

01:09:28.000 But now we're going the other way, where our society is becoming overtly feminine.

01:09:31.000 I think there needs to be a happy medium of a matriarch and a patriarchal kind of approach to things, like a mother and a father. 1.00

01:09:37.000 There's a meme where someone's like, he's standing on a cliff and he says, a company board should have a man and a woman, and everyone's like, yay!

01:09:44.000 And then he goes, a child should have a mother and a father, and they're like, boo!

01:09:47.000 But I'm like, no, I think that it scales, and there is a benefit to a masculine and a feminine view, and if it skews too much in one direction, you get, you know, authoritarianism in different ways.

01:09:58.000 Yeah, and I would say, and this is part of why I still disregard feminism, even though I absolutely agree that in many parts of the world, women are treated like dirt, and also throughout history, men have not always treated women well, obviously.

01:10:09.000 Humans are a fallen species.

01:10:11.000 But in those systems, it's not that you have a patriarchy. 0.51

01:10:15.000 It's that you have an extremely disordered patriarchy where the men are effeminate.

01:10:18.000 They're not virtuous.

01:10:19.000 They don't stand up for their women and protect them.

01:10:21.000 They treat them poorly because their conception of the relationship between men and women is women need to give, give, give and I need to take, take, take.

01:10:29.000 Whereas the way men are supposed to operate is as giving and women are to operate essentially as receptive based on any kind of natural law vision of the world.

01:10:40.000 Let's do a hard, hard segue because we went off into a whole new universe on that one.

01:10:44.000 We have this story.

01:10:45.000 I said we were going to talk about it.

01:10:47.000 We got this from CNN.

01:10:48.000 Scientists slam Joe Rogan's podcast episode with Jordan Peterson as absurd and dangerous.

01:10:54.000 What are they talking about?

01:10:54.000 Absurd!

01:10:56.000 It was the greatest podcast ever!

01:10:58.000 I was listening to some of it.

01:11:00.000 I'm saving it because we're I'm going on a trip this weekend.

01:11:01.000 So I was like, I want to be able to listen to the full four hours.

01:11:04.000 But Jordan Peterson really does it does say absurd.

01:11:07.000 You know, like, I just like yeah.

01:11:08.000 But anyway, that's neither here or there.

01:11:12.000 This segment is not about CNN complaining about Joe Rogan's podcast.

01:11:17.000 It's about Joe Rogan's basically the New York Times.

01:11:19.000 I've talked about this before, setting the news cycle.

01:11:22.000 What is the story we should be talking about?

01:11:24.000 The New York Times, above the fold, front page news story, Ukraine invasion, Russia goes...

01:11:30.000 Are we talking about whatever it is the New York Times cares about?

01:11:33.000 Not really.

01:11:34.000 We're talking about what Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan want to talk about.

01:11:38.000 Did I say Jordan Peterson before?

01:11:39.000 Joe Rogan is effectively... No, you said Joe Rogan.

01:11:42.000 I said Joe Rogan.

01:11:43.000 He's become the New York Times.

01:11:44.000 So when CNN is like, scientists are upset at Joe Rogan's podcast over his story, Joe has just gotten them.

01:11:51.000 to talk about climate change.

01:11:53.000 And now here we are addressing the issue.

01:11:55.000 Joe Rogan's been in the news cycle nonstop for like, what now, months?

01:11:59.000 Yeah.

01:12:00.000 Over the guests he's been having, and it's with increasing frequency.

01:12:03.000 First, you have CNN.

01:12:03.000 Check this out.

01:12:05.000 Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson.

01:12:06.000 We have The Verge.

01:12:07.000 Spotify can't afford to lose Joe Rogan.

01:12:09.000 Now it's not even about Neil Young anymore.

01:12:11.000 It's just about him.

01:12:12.000 We have this from The Independent.

01:12:13.000 What is this one?

01:12:14.000 Joe Rogan podcast guest claims pandemic is just a money grab and they're trying to kill us once again.

01:12:18.000 And that's Jordan Peterson.

01:12:21.000 So what I see here is, look man, you know, we're effectively becoming the Joe Rogan Review Podcast by the time I talk about this, but to be honest, we were the CNN Review Podcast before that.

01:12:32.000 We criticize the media, we criticize the mainstream press and the media lies, and now that Joe is basically taking over, you know, dictation of the news cycle, it is becoming Prominent.

01:12:44.000 It is becoming common to discuss the ideas that he's talking about.

01:12:48.000 In fact, so prominent, I believe, I could be wrong, but I believe the 13th biggest podcast in the U.S.

01:12:54.000 is the Joe Rogan Experience Review.

01:12:57.000 Whoa.

01:12:58.000 Yeah.

01:12:58.000 It's like some guys talking about what Joe Rogan talked about.

01:13:01.000 Wow.

01:13:02.000 Is he the number one?

01:13:02.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 Joe Rogan isn't on iTunes anymore.

01:13:07.000 Oh yeah, Spotify.

01:13:07.000 So of course he's number one on Spotify.

01:13:09.000 Never moving.

01:13:09.000 Right.

01:13:10.000 But on iTunes, I think it's number 13 is the Joe Rogan review podcast.

01:13:17.000 So this is so interesting to me, and watching the mainstream media try to slam podcasts like this huge source of myths and disinformation is really intriguing to me because it looks like they're starting to wake up to the fact that Joe Rogan is in fact calling the shots.

01:13:31.000 Like you were saying, he is in fact controlling the narrative.

01:13:34.000 He's making them talk about this one thing that he wants to talk about.

01:13:37.000 And whether they realize it or not, they're very much responding to exactly what he's doing.

01:13:42.000 Which, if he were a very clever person, I'm sure he could use exactly to his advantage.

01:13:46.000 And you're right, I do think that should give us a lot of hope as far as the right is concerned.

01:13:50.000 I think that this means that the media is kind of starting to pay attention to the right.

01:13:55.000 Starting to hopefully, perhaps, maybe cater to the right. 0.59

01:13:57.000 Not that we really necessarily want them to.

01:14:00.000 But it's definitely a factor and things are definitely shifting.

01:14:02.000 So perhaps the tide is turning.

01:14:04.000 I was right real quick, just to pull it up.

01:14:06.000 I've got the iTunes top charts.

01:14:09.000 Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast, number 13.

01:14:12.000 And Father Mike Schmitz is still top 10 with the Bible in the Air.

01:14:15.000 He was the number one podcast.

01:14:16.000 He was the number one podcast for a while.

01:14:18.000 He's a father, what a waste.

01:14:20.000 I hate that.

01:14:21.000 He's so attractive.

01:14:22.000 But that is exactly... Priests, there are so many... Look, the priesthood is not just for men who are not attractive.

01:14:31.000 If you are an attractive young man, do not think your vocation would be a waste.

01:14:34.000 Can you be a female priest? 1.00

01:14:35.000 No.

01:14:36.000 We don't have those.

01:14:36.000 That's a priestess.

01:14:37.000 Priestess?

01:14:38.000 Yeah.

01:14:39.000 Catholicism means more priestesses? 0.99

01:14:41.000 This is cool because I don't think Rogan is, I don't consider him on the right at all.

01:14:45.000 And by any means, the dude wants like universal basic income.

01:14:47.000 He's super like kind of left libertarian.

01:14:51.000 But anything that's not far left these days, people are like, it's right.

01:14:56.000 Because they're trying to centralize the far left.

01:14:58.000 Joe Rogan, I think of him as independent.

01:15:00.000 Like I really do.

01:15:01.000 And yes, anything that is not Marxist is right-wing.

01:15:05.000 But I just think of him as independent.

01:15:07.000 I've mentioned this before, but when I, on my first day of college, or in the very least it was the first class I ever took at college, I was at a local community college, and this was in 2013, and my art teacher recommended the Joe Rogan Experience.

01:15:24.000 And at the time, the art teacher was liberal.

01:15:28.000 Today, he would probably be considered, if he has the same opinions, independent or right wing. 0.97

01:15:32.000 And I remember thinking, what is this like liberal garbage podcast 0.81

01:15:36.000 he's about to recommend me? 0.89

01:15:37.000 I remember when I first listened to Joe Rogan, I enjoyed it, but I was like,

01:15:39.000 oh yeah, this guy's definitely like on the left.

01:15:41.000 But I kind of want to hear his opinions.

01:15:43.000 And now Joe Rogan is considered this far right figure.

01:15:45.000 It's so bizarre how quickly that shifts in.

01:15:47.000 That's, I think, what happened to Trump.

01:15:48.000 Because it's like, Trump don't, that was one reason, I was actually a never Trumper in 2016.

01:15:53.000 I now am totally ashamed to admit this.

01:15:56.000 Please don't hate me.

01:15:57.000 I was living in New York, so the vote didn't matter.

01:15:59.000 I wrote in Ben Sasse.

01:16:01.000 I totally regret my 2016 vote.

01:16:03.000 But I was a never Trumper till the end.

01:16:05.000 But then in 2020, I proudly voted for Trump.

01:16:08.000 But one of the reasons why I was a never Trumper was that I thought that Trump wasn't a conservative.

01:16:12.000 I was like, this guy donated to Hillary Clinton.

01:16:15.000 He has no track record that I can look to to suggest that he would do anything that's conservative.

01:16:20.000 But I think just by how insanely Marxist the Democrat Party had become, that's who he was.

01:16:26.000 He was an independent person and he donated to both sides.

01:16:31.000 But, you know, I think I was unwilling to break my perception and my bigotry toward this notion of someone had to have this label as conservative or liberal.

01:16:42.000 So I was just looking at the podcast charts.

01:16:46.000 Someone had commented on one of my podcasts and they said, I referred to Democrats as city, urban, liberal types.

01:16:55.000 And?

01:16:55.000 City, urban, liberal types.

01:16:58.000 That's cult.

01:16:59.000 That's right.

01:16:59.000 That's true.

01:17:00.000 That's cult.

01:17:00.000 And they were like, did you mean to do that?

01:17:01.000 And I was like, oh wow, I did not. 0.99

01:17:04.000 I was just like, these shitty urban liberal types. 0.98

01:17:07.000 There we go, we got a new acronym. 0.87

01:17:10.000 I love this idea, too, that alternative media is dangerous and these podcasters are dangerous, as if it was the alternative media that lied us into a 20-year-long war, as if it was alternative media that refused to entertain the possibility that this virus could have been manufactured, as if it was alternative media that was trying to suppress whistleblowers and remove people's platforms from them.

01:17:29.000 It's so obvious at this point.

01:17:30.000 Well, don't you know?

01:17:31.000 That it was actually Joe Rogan who ordered that missile strike on Abdul Rahman al-Awlaki.

01:17:35.000 Oh my gosh, do you guys remember?

01:17:37.000 He was that child, 16-year-old kid who was killed in a drone strike in Yemen.

01:17:42.000 Oh my gosh.

01:17:43.000 And Barack Obama was sitting at his table and his cabinet comes in and they're like, Mr. President, We got a child that needs to die.

01:17:53.000 And Obama was like, uh, Joe, what do I do? 0.98

01:17:56.000 And then Joe was like, look, man, look, you gotta bomb this kid.

01:18:00.000 And then they smoked some DMT. 0.79

01:18:01.000 Well, that's the insane thing, right? 0.99

01:18:03.000 These people are such lapdogs for the establishment.

01:18:06.000 And when they say that these podcasts are threatening, we all know what they're really saying is that they are a threat to our control.

01:18:11.000 I don't know if it's funny enough for a bit or whatever, but it would be, you know, the gag I'm imagining is like the New York Times is researching like the Iraq WMDs and Joe Rogan's sitting in the room and he's like, they got, they got weapons.

01:18:24.000 He's like, he's like smoking.

01:18:25.000 And he's like, yo, they got weapons of mass destruction.

01:18:27.000 Like, are you sure?

01:18:29.000 Dude, I'm so sure.

01:18:30.000 And they're like, oh, we're going to do it.

01:18:32.000 Trump's like, you know, you know what?

01:18:33.000 I think there was Russian collusion, like all of the conspiracy theories.

01:18:37.000 Every story, like just Joe having to have been there.

01:18:40.000 Those 13 Marines who died last August, Joe Rogan ordered Joe Biden to drop that strike.

01:18:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:47.000 These people are so dangerous.

01:18:49.000 It's so frightening.

01:18:50.000 Hey, who convinced The American people, or tried to convince the American people that it was a great idea to engage in literally the largest transfer of wealth that's ever existed in all of human history and print trillions of dollars.

01:19:02.000 Was that alternative media?

01:19:03.000 Why is food so expensive right now?

01:19:04.000 Joe Rogan.

01:19:05.000 Joe Rogan is on the Fed.

01:19:09.000 Joe Rogan.

01:19:12.000 He's on the Fed.

01:19:13.000 He's in a room chilling with Bezos and Bill Gates.

01:19:16.000 And he just goes, yo, I'm just saying there's too many people.

01:19:20.000 Oh my gosh.

01:19:21.000 Do you remember when that was like the edgy little thing to say?

01:19:23.000 You know what?

01:19:23.000 I actually heard that Margaret Sanger is an ancestor of Joe Rogan.

01:19:27.000 Oh yeah.

01:19:28.000 It runs in the family.

01:19:30.000 You know what's funny?

01:19:30.000 Like we're joking about it and obviously the joke is that they keep accusing him of being so dangerous or whatever that we're jokingly tying to all these things.

01:19:38.000 I think that would be one of the best conspiracies ever.

01:19:40.000 Joe actually is the leader of the Illuminati and he keeps Alex close because you've got to keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

01:19:48.000 So he keeps Alex Jones on standby.

01:19:50.000 No one would suspect Joe.

01:19:52.000 No, he's the foil.

01:19:53.000 It's like five years from now they try to claim that Joe was on the exact opposite side of every issue than he was actually on because of how people reflect on the past.

01:20:02.000 Remember when Joe Rogan was like crazy in favor of the mandates?

01:20:05.000 And in the media we were like, that's irresponsible, man!

01:20:08.000 How could he?

01:20:09.000 That's what they, it's remarkable.

01:20:11.000 I mean, that's kind of what we're seeing now when you see these, these like, you know, that's why I'm critical of Bill Maher to a certain degree.

01:20:17.000 Because it's like, when Bill Maher came out and said, Fauci can't tell me what to do.

01:20:21.000 It's like Fauci said, do as you're told in November of 2020.

01:20:25.000 And now he's coming out acting like, haha, I'm defiant.

01:20:28.000 It's just like, dude, you're not convincing anybody.

01:20:31.000 You know, so I'll tell you what will happen.

01:20:33.000 For one, the point of this segment was to point out that Joe owns the news cycle.

01:20:37.000 He could, he could, he talks about, with Jordan Peters and climate change and all of a sudden

01:20:42.000 that's like the conversation people are having.

01:20:44.000 It's remarkable because everyone knows he owns it.

01:20:47.000 So moving forward I think what's going to happen is with like Evangeline Lilly, these

01:20:51.000 celebrities, they know.

01:20:53.000 They know what's popular.

01:20:55.000 Ethan Klein, our good friend over at the H3 Podcast, you see him coming out and mocking Joe Rogan over and over again, and it's just like, dude, like, you're choosing the losing side of this.

01:21:05.000 Freedom, free inquiry is winning.

01:21:08.000 And all the smear campaigns and everything they want to do, it just doesn't work.

01:21:12.000 Because what it comes down to is what people want is authenticity.

01:21:16.000 The people who listen to Joe know he's not a scientist.

01:21:19.000 They know he's not a doctor.

01:21:20.000 They know he's not the smartest guy in the world.

01:21:22.000 And you can look at the comments and they're just like, he's just a guy.

01:21:25.000 And that's what it was with Vice in the late 2000s, in the early 2010s.

01:21:31.000 Vice was authentic.

01:21:34.000 The way it was described is that Vice was like if your bar buddy went to Afghanistan, and they'd be talking to a friend about what they experienced and telling a story, as opposed to a guy in a suit being like, let me tell you as the authority.

01:21:47.000 So that's what Joe's embodied.

01:21:49.000 Regular dude, having conversations with a bunch of crazy people, asking questions.

01:21:52.000 And I gotta be honest, Joe's not even particularly adversarial.

01:21:56.000 He's not, yeah.

01:21:57.000 Like when he had Josh Zeps on.

01:22:00.000 I ranted about him quite a bit.

01:22:01.000 Who insinuated I was alright.

01:22:03.000 Joe defended me, but He's still rather passively and then he tweeted when people

01:22:08.000 are making fun of him over his myocarditis Segment with Josh Epps. He said I love the guy and I'm glad

01:22:13.000 he was able to you know, show me or whatever He's still not particularly at particularly adversarial. So

01:22:19.000 it's it's I will say it's absurd to me that the media Yep.

01:22:23.000 is going after him so hard when Joe had Sanjay Gupta on and defended Sanjay after the fact

01:22:31.000 when Sanjay wrote an article saying I was scared Joe Rogan was going to jump the table

01:22:34.000 and throttle my neck. 0.86

01:22:36.000 When I brought that up Joe was like come on he's just trying to be funny and I'm like

01:22:39.000 I okay sure but I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt.

01:22:42.000 I think he genuinely was scared.

01:22:43.000 I mean, the dude admitted he never had a three-hour conversation with another human being.

01:22:48.000 That's crazy.

01:22:49.000 What?

01:22:49.000 How is that possible?

01:22:51.000 Does he have a wife?

01:22:53.000 Has he gone to school?

01:22:55.000 I think he met like a one-on-one interview.

01:22:57.000 Oh, interview.

01:22:58.000 I think that was what he was implying.

01:22:59.000 But hold on, hold on.

01:23:00.000 Benefit of the doubt here, yeah.

01:23:04.000 Thousands upon thousands of times I've had three-hour conversations with tons of different people.

01:23:09.000 No, outside of this show.

01:23:10.000 It's not normal though.

01:23:12.000 Most people don't do that.

01:23:13.000 Oh, come on, dude.

01:23:13.000 I feel like it is normal.

01:23:14.000 To have a three-hour conversation.

01:23:15.000 A three-hour one-on-one.

01:23:16.000 Yeah, that's pretty normal.

01:23:17.000 Dude, I'd be at my friend's house.

01:23:19.000 All the people here, everyone's like, it's totally normal, you guys.

01:23:22.000 It's totally normal.

01:23:23.000 We're all talkers.

01:23:24.000 I think it's normal.

01:23:27.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:23:28.000 Carrie thinks it's normal.

01:23:28.000 She and I think it's normal.

01:23:29.000 I think it's completely normal.

01:23:30.000 I don't even talk that much.

01:23:31.000 I think it's normal.

01:23:32.000 No, no.

01:23:32.000 Ian, do you think it's normal?

01:23:32.000 No, no.

01:23:33.000 But hold on, like, you know, we come from very different backgrounds, all of us here.

01:23:37.000 So it may not be a great sampling, but my story is I'd be hanging out at my friend's house,

01:23:43.000 you know, on like a Saturday evening or whatever, it'd be me and like one or two other people.

01:23:47.000 And we would talk for like five or six hours while like, you know,

01:23:50.000 some music was playing in the background.

01:23:51.000 Right, but you're not listening the whole time.

01:23:53.000 Like, people will chat, and then they'll be like, huh, or like, you'll zone out, and you'll be like, looking at something while they're talking, or like, there'll be times when no one's talking.

01:24:00.000 They're going at it straight, listening to each other for three hours.

01:24:04.000 Ian, you are, you are, you are making up what I just said, interpreting it.

01:24:08.000 You're saying for five hours, you hung out with a group of friends, it's different.

01:24:12.000 A group of friends had two or three people.

01:24:14.000 We're sitting in the backyard, and we're talking about space and time and aliens, and we would just talk for hours.

01:24:19.000 I would go to Wendy's and I would buy like 30 bucks worth of Wendy's and just get it back That's back with a dollar menu.

01:24:30.000 So I get like 17 years ago and we'd be sitting there on my friend's couch and it would be me and maybe one or some other person and we would just be like I remember having conversations about what time is, and we're talking about gravity, just having the exact same kind of conversations that Joe would be having.

01:24:52.000 Yeah.

01:24:53.000 That was normal for me.

01:24:54.000 And politics, too.

01:24:55.000 I'd be talking about all this stuff.

01:24:57.000 So for me, when he mentioned, like, I've never even had a conversation this long, I'm like, at some point in your life, at least once, you've never done that?

01:25:04.000 I mentioned this at home.

01:25:05.000 I think it was last night.

01:25:06.000 And I was like, this blew my mind.

01:25:07.000 I could not believe that he hadn't had a conversation that But to get back to your point, I think that Joe Rogan and the Joe Rogan fight really highlights the difference between the elite and just a regular person.

01:25:19.000 And the elite think that we need them to tell us what to do, and all we want is someone who's genuine.

01:25:25.000 And they can't get it through their heads.

01:25:27.000 They do not understand that.

01:25:28.000 And the fight will never end because of that.

01:25:30.000 And that is the actual threat to democracy.

01:25:32.000 That is what the elite mindset is the actual threat to democracy.

01:25:36.000 Joe Rogan is the people.

01:25:38.000 He's the opposite of the threat to democracy.

01:25:41.000 That's what I am so angry about.

01:25:43.000 You know, the Washington Post motto, democracy dies in dark. 0.96

01:25:47.000 That is the most disgusting. 0.97

01:25:50.000 That's an evil motto. 0.98

01:25:53.000 Think about what they do.

01:25:54.000 Every article they produce, they just did a big hit job on the Independent Women's Forum, which was full of lies. 1.00

01:25:59.000 And I'm like, you actually, this elite institution, which had a very storied history, has become so corrupt that their claims, again, words don't matter.

01:26:10.000 If you're throwing that phrase around, you actually don't know what it means.

01:26:13.000 It's the people.

01:26:14.000 Look at what the Washington Post does, what they say and what they do.

01:26:17.000 They say, democracy dies in darkness.

01:26:21.000 We need more darkness.

01:26:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:23.000 That's what they're doing.

01:26:24.000 I was gonna say, they did a hit piece on you.

01:26:25.000 They did a hit piece on a 16 year old boy for no reason.

01:26:28.000 That wasn't even newsworthy!

01:26:30.000 Yeah, it wasn't even a story.

01:26:31.000 What was that all about?

01:26:32.000 The Covington kids.

01:26:34.000 Oh yeah.

01:26:34.000 Well, he got his due.

01:26:35.000 We didn't get our payout, unfortunately.

01:26:37.000 Are you guys suing him?

01:26:38.000 It's like having the Washington Post write about you as like slipping outside of a fancy restaurant.

01:26:43.000 You're just like hoping, alright, this might be able to turn into a lawsuit for me.

01:26:46.000 Did they go too far?

01:26:47.000 Are you guys considering suing them?

01:26:49.000 If we were, I couldn't tell you, but they basically went after an organization we have.

01:26:54.000 So we have a membership group called the Independent Women's Network, and our policy director, Hadley, wrote a form letter, like just a suggestion of a letter you could write to your school, the kids, if they're being forced to wear masks.

01:27:09.000 Very polite letter, just kind of ideas on what to include in the letter.

01:27:13.000 And the Washington Post takes it and they infiltrated our group.

01:27:17.000 Someone bought a fake membership and leaked it to the Washington Post.

01:27:21.000 And they're like this, you know, evil Koch-backed group.

01:27:26.000 Because we get some money, I can't disclose how much, but we do get some money from the Koch network.

01:27:32.000 We get money from a lot of other organizations, but they put it on the front page and they're like, they're trying to spread misinformation and basically encourage, you know, extremism and violence at school boards and encourage people to be riled up and tell moms to be, you know, demonic.

01:27:50.000 And I'm obviously, you know, using flirt words, but that's basically what they were saying because of this very polite form letter.

01:27:58.000 And actually, the letter itself included studies that explicitly, very well-regarded studies about the efficacy and the problems with masks.

01:28:09.000 The story didn't even address any of the studies.

01:28:11.000 All they did was their hyperbole and just, it was really upsetting.

01:28:17.000 But not surprising.

01:28:18.000 Well, yeah, they usually will address the mandate and not the actual medical science.

01:28:22.000 Yeah.

01:28:23.000 No, but to the point earlier we were talking about threat to democracy.

01:28:27.000 So I wrote the piece recently for the New York Post and I was looking at research about just how bigoted liberals are.

01:28:33.000 So there was a study, a poll looking at, you know, I looked at many polls, but this one looked at college campuses and how bigoted Republican students were versus Democrat students.

01:28:45.000 It found that 30% of Democrats and only 7% of Republicans said they would not work for someone who voted differently from them.

01:28:52.000 And also this polling was done by Axios and Generation Lab, which are not right-wing organizations.

01:28:58.000 And they also said that only 5% of Republican college students said they wouldn't befriend someone from the opposite party versus 37% of Democrats.

01:29:07.000 And then Republicans, 71% of Democrats said they would not date someone who was a Republican versus 31%.

01:29:21.000 That's horrible.

01:29:23.000 Well, it's also interesting.

01:29:24.000 They're bigoted in other ways, too. 0.80

01:29:26.000 There was a study which showed that white liberals were likely to dumb down their language when talking to black people and white conservatives were not. 0.89

01:29:36.000 Yeah.

01:29:37.000 That was really revealing.

01:29:39.000 But did it shock you at all?

01:29:40.000 No.

01:29:41.000 There was no part of me that read that and went, what?

01:29:43.000 I can't believe this right now.

01:29:46.000 Would they really do that?

01:29:49.000 This was a big red pill for, I can't remember who we were talking to, was it Batya? 0.96

01:29:53.000 Baby, yeah.

01:29:54.000 I think she was saying that that was like the red pill moment for her when she read that was like, if this is true, like that says something.

01:30:01.000 Yeah. 0.61

01:30:02.000 It says it and it says it in a dumbed down way.

01:30:04.000 Because it looks down on you.

01:30:07.000 It thinks that you exist as a pawn for its political agenda.

01:30:11.000 Yikes, yeah.

01:30:12.000 Well, it's the city urban liberal types.

01:30:14.000 Yep, yep.

01:30:15.000 That's right.

01:30:15.000 City, urban.

01:30:16.000 I sense a t-shirt coming out.

01:30:17.000 Hey, that's a good one!

01:30:19.000 Is that why women are more likely to be a part of it? 1.00

01:30:21.000 What?

01:30:22.000 C-U-L-T. 1.00

01:30:22.000 We were just talking. 1.00

01:30:23.000 Women are more likely to end up in cults. 1.00

01:30:24.000 So we'll make women shirts? 1.00

01:30:25.000 Are you saying we should make a t-shirt for women?

01:30:27.000 That's not what I said.

01:30:28.000 I was a quick little off-the-cuff joke.

01:30:30.000 Didn't land.

01:30:31.000 Had to explain it.

01:30:32.000 Never pitched a shirt.

01:30:33.000 Don't put that on me.

01:30:34.000 I'm assuming the people who do the merch for Timcast are listening.

01:30:37.000 Yeah, always.

01:30:37.000 Yeah, of course.

01:30:38.000 So hey, we'll do city urban liberal types.

01:30:40.000 That's a good shirt, right?

01:30:40.000 That is a really good shirt.

01:30:41.000 I love it.

01:30:42.000 Let's make it!

01:30:43.000 All right, let's read superchats.

01:30:44.000 If you haven't already, smash the like button, or as I posted in the chat, smush smush the like button.

01:30:51.000 Oh, smush smush! 0.98

01:30:52.000 And send in those superchats. 0.99

01:30:53.000 We'll try and do what we can.

01:30:54.000 Go to timcast.com, become a member.

01:30:55.000 We're gonna have a members-only podcast up around 11 or so p.m., uncensored, at timcast.com.

01:31:01.000 All right, let's read what we got here.

01:31:03.000 IAM says, Ian, the Federal Reserve speaks of making their own crypto and now the Biden admin is using the national security apparatus to attack them.

01:31:10.000 Why is that?

01:31:12.000 Cryptos, that is.

01:31:12.000 You hear that?

01:31:13.000 They're going to regulate it.

01:31:14.000 They want to regulate it.

01:31:15.000 I have heard that.

01:31:15.000 Central bank crypto.

01:31:16.000 I think that is going to be done.

01:31:18.000 It might not be done on a blockchain.

01:31:20.000 So although they call it crypto, it's not the same thing.

01:31:23.000 You can have a crypto that's not on a blockchain and not secured.

01:31:26.000 What's it gonna be?

01:31:26.000 It's gonna be called Warcoin, and every single time we go to war with another country, it's just gonna skyrocket.

01:31:31.000 Seamus, can you read this next super chat right here?

01:31:35.000 Hold on.

01:31:36.000 Tim, here is some money to get Seamus an Ireland flag, a pot of gold, and a St.

01:31:41.000 Joseph statue to go behind his wall from one Irish flag to another.

01:31:44.000 I think that's beautiful.

01:31:45.000 Frankly, if we could get like a papal flag behind me, I would love it.

01:31:48.000 That would be perfect.

01:31:50.000 What did St.

01:31:50.000 Joseph do?

01:31:51.000 St.

01:31:51.000 Joseph was the husband of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

01:31:55.000 Oh, that's Joe?

01:31:56.000 Yeah, St.

01:31:57.000 Joseph.

01:31:58.000 He was the foster father of Jesus Christ.

01:32:00.000 Just your average Joe?

01:32:00.000 Is that where that comes from?

01:32:01.000 Not your average Joe, absolutely not.

01:32:03.000 He's the second holiest of all the saints.

01:32:05.000 Oh, he is?

01:32:06.000 He like adopted Jesus, right?

01:32:08.000 Well, he was the foster father.

01:32:09.000 Yeah, foster father.

01:32:11.000 Let's read some more.

01:32:12.000 What's it say?

01:32:14.000 Visek says, good job Seamus getting Tim Pool as a guest on your show.

01:32:17.000 Thank you on ChimCast IRL.

01:32:20.000 You're welcome.

01:32:22.000 And I've gotten Tim on my show.

01:32:24.000 I've done Tim's show plenty of time, Timmy Tunes, where he does these political cartoons.

01:32:30.000 They're pretty good.

01:32:30.000 Yeah, every now and again I'll come and voice Dr. Fauci for him.

01:32:34.000 I like your Jordan Peterson though.

01:32:36.000 Thank you so much.

01:32:38.000 It is a life accomplishment of mine to have a voice acting credit.

01:32:42.000 For those that don't know, I am the voice of Dr. Fauci on Freedom Tunes.

01:32:45.000 People never know.

01:32:47.000 People never know.

01:32:48.000 I'll mention that you're the voice of Dr. Fauci.

01:32:50.000 Wait, really?

01:32:51.000 Wait, can we hear it?

01:32:53.000 You don't need to be wearing two masks.

01:32:57.000 It's a way rougher version of his actual listing.

01:33:03.000 I love it.

01:33:04.000 Spot on.

01:33:05.000 I put a little slate at the end of every video that lists donors and also lists credits.

01:33:08.000 So Tim gets listed in the credits.

01:33:11.000 And you actually have IMDB, Internet Movie Database, IMDB, right?

01:33:14.000 Credits for your documentary.

01:33:14.000 Yeah.

01:33:16.000 Do you get royalties every time it's played?

01:33:18.000 That's actually how he's funding this.

01:33:21.000 That's actually a bit we were gonna do for the vlog, where it's like, the joke is that Seamus, the royalties from Freedom Tunes are what fund everything, and everything, that's like, we're just trying to maintain an image.

01:33:33.000 We should do that bit, that'd be funny.

01:33:34.000 We absolutely should.

01:33:35.000 Dude, it's so funny, because like, I've seen one or two comments on the vlogs, they're like, I wonder if, like, Seamus and Chris are just joking or if they really do those things.

01:33:43.000 I thought it was obvious that we were, like, doing a bet.

01:33:46.000 Alright, let's read some more.

01:33:48.000 We got, uh, Aidan says, Tim, you should have on Maxime Bernier on the show.

01:33:52.000 Leader of the People's Party of Canada.

01:33:54.000 Trucks just passed my house today.

01:33:56.000 Also, Carrie, you look beautiful.

01:33:59.000 He said no.

01:34:00.000 So Maxime, when I asked him, was doing like a really hardcore campaign.

01:34:04.000 So he's too busy.

01:34:05.000 But we can try again.

01:34:07.000 Keep in mind that doing a show like this is good for your campaign, bro.

01:34:10.000 It's true.

01:34:11.000 Just a matter of time.

01:34:13.000 I don't like the...

01:34:16.000 Like, people are busy.

01:34:17.000 Busy people, you know?

01:34:18.000 If they have time for us and they want to do us a favor and come on, like, I appreciate it.

01:34:21.000 We don't pay guests to come out.

01:34:22.000 We cover their costs and everything.

01:34:23.000 They don't.

01:34:24.000 Yeah, we don't pay.

01:34:25.000 Seamus, actually, we never paid his costs.

01:34:28.000 We just, you know, we tricked him.

01:34:29.000 They wouldn't pay my costs, no.

01:34:31.000 Actually, we pay Seamus the most.

01:34:32.000 I saw, I think it's Dan Crenshaw's about to start a podcast, I think.

01:34:35.000 Is that right?

01:34:36.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:34:37.000 What do you guys think about, like, every congressperson having their own podcast?

01:34:40.000 Probably be a good thing.

01:34:41.000 I don't want to hear anything more from any of those people.

01:34:44.000 Well, you get to listen at your own leisure.

01:34:46.000 I guess.

01:34:46.000 I think they should, man.

01:34:48.000 I want to hear more from them.

01:34:49.000 Ted Cruz does one with them.

01:34:50.000 Are you being scientist?

01:34:51.000 How many people, like, let the dead cat out of the bag.

01:34:53.000 All right, hold on.

01:34:54.000 How many people who work in politics, how many people who are actual elected representatives

01:35:02.000 have like anything remotely interesting to say ever?

01:35:05.000 Uh, Trey Gowdy did.

01:35:06.000 Every now and again.

01:35:07.000 I'm not saying there's, I'm not saying, like some of them, some of them.

01:35:10.000 Rand Paul does.

01:35:11.000 Yeah.

01:35:11.000 Every now and again in Ron Paul.

01:35:13.000 Oh my goodness.

01:35:14.000 But I'm saying it's very uncommon.

01:35:15.000 It's very uncommon.

01:35:16.000 But then again, if the market was just saturated with a bunch of elected leaders having podcasts, we would see which ones rose to the top.

01:35:24.000 Yeah.

01:35:26.000 If Donald Trump had a podcast, it would be like six hours a day.

01:35:28.000 He would just, because he just would turn the mic on and start talking.

01:35:34.000 This is who I would call fat today if I was on Twitter.

01:35:38.000 Here's a list.

01:35:39.000 It's 12.

01:35:40.000 It's going to take about a half hour to get through this, okay?

01:35:42.000 None of these people, all of these people drink Diet Coke.

01:35:45.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:35:48.000 What do we got here?

01:35:49.000 Anthony says, Yeah, where's the U.S.

01:35:51.000 trucker protest?

01:35:52.000 California, New York, and all these states that are enforcing mask mandate and vaccine mandates.

01:35:56.000 Yeah, where's the US trucker protest?

01:35:58.000 I suppose after they do the convoy in Canada, they should keep it going.

01:36:01.000 But they haven't specifically targeted truckers.

01:36:04.000 It was a blanket mandate in America.

01:36:08.000 They haven't gone after truckers, single them out.

01:36:10.000 Isn't that the problem?

01:36:11.000 Well, the issue now is that it's the border.

01:36:15.000 If you want to cross the border, you got to be vaccinated.

01:36:17.000 And unvaccinated Americans can't even enter Canada.

01:36:20.000 But unvaccinated Canadians have to quarantine after entering.

01:36:23.000 So it's jammed up traffic in both directions.

01:36:26.000 I don't know if that's the sole reason for the protests.

01:36:28.000 It's a big reason.

01:36:31.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:36:32.000 Justacooknamedjosh says, hey Tim, love your show, as I've made it a daily routine every day.

01:36:36.000 Yet as a Canadian, thank you for making news of the Freedom Convoy 2022.

01:36:41.000 As the authoritarian government censors us, we are not going to stop, like, and share.

01:36:45.000 Yes!

01:36:46.000 Tell everybody about the story, man.

01:36:48.000 There was also another protest, I think people confused, where truckers were concerned about icy conditions.

01:36:52.000 It actually happened.

01:36:54.000 And some people are suggesting it was a PSYOP.

01:36:56.000 Because what happens is when this trucker convoy breaks, you know, comes out, right?

01:37:00.000 I heard reports that are like only some trucks are blocking the borders and it's no big deal.

01:37:05.000 Then you actually look at the social media and it's like hundreds of truckers are starting this thing.

01:37:09.000 Then all of a sudden there's a protest where it's like truckers engage in, you know, massive political action and I clicked it and it was like, seven trucks with signs saying, you know, fix the icy

01:37:19.000 conditions.

01:37:20.000 And then I was like, wait, what?

01:37:22.000 Oh, they spun up another protest to diffuse from the protest.

01:37:26.000 So the conspiracy theory is to trick people into thinking there's no real big 50,000 trucker protest,

01:37:34.000 you stage a small one, then tell everyone, oh, that trucker protest you heard about?

01:37:39.000 There it is, those seven trucks.

01:37:41.000 Yep, they were upset about IC conditions.

01:37:42.000 Your search optimization results.

01:37:44.000 I mean, I know IC conditions are dangerous, but...

01:37:48.000 I've never heard of a protest about icy conditions.

01:37:51.000 That just seems insane!

01:37:52.000 What do we want?

01:37:54.000 More salt!

01:37:56.000 Remember like a couple months ago the trucker was coming down the hill and hit a bunch of people?

01:38:00.000 So it might have something to do with that.

01:38:02.000 But I thought that was more his brakes.

01:38:03.000 I think it was.

01:38:04.000 Well he was supposed to take, there was that off-ramp thing for runaway trucks he was supposed to go through, he didn't.

01:38:09.000 And they blame him.

01:38:09.000 Like, they came down with him on 100 years in prison or something.

01:38:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:13.000 That was a good argument from the truckers.

01:38:14.000 But was it icy?

01:38:15.000 I don't think it was icy.

01:38:16.000 No, but they might be like, hey, we're not driving if you're going to blame us for accidents.

01:38:21.000 The argument was that if you're holding a powerful device, be it a gun or a truck, you're responsible for what happens.

01:38:27.000 So if you crash it, that's his fault.

01:38:28.000 He should have been engaged in this property.

01:38:30.000 Yes, did you hear that's what they're trying to do in Milwaukee?

01:38:33.000 They're actually, I cannot believe, well it's liberal so I can believe it.

01:38:37.000 So these, the Milwaukee City Council, I kid you not, wants to sue the two most popular, you know, the makers of the two most popular cars in the area that are getting hijacked because there are too many carjackings now in the city of Milwaukee.

01:38:51.000 And so they want to sue them for making the cars too easy to hijack!

01:38:54.000 That's like she shouldn't have worn that walking down the street.

01:38:56.000 That's exactly what I said!

01:38:57.000 I wrote a piece about this and I said this is the equivalent of victim shaming and saying that the rape victim deserved it because she was wearing a skirt or a blouse.

01:39:06.000 They want these car companies to make uglier cars?

01:39:09.000 They wanted to make him harder to hijack.

01:39:12.000 Not harder to want to hijack.

01:39:15.000 More secure.

01:39:17.000 I just want to mention one more thing here about this trucker shortage.

01:39:20.000 As we were mentioning earlier in the podcast, 20% of truckers who cross the border, as many as 20% are unvaccinated.

01:39:26.000 We sort of stopped talking about this in general.

01:39:28.000 It was a story a few months ago, but there is still a trucker shortage.

01:39:31.000 So to do this right now, again, just to really hit home the absurdity of this, it's insane!

01:39:38.000 Can you believe it? 0.94

01:39:39.000 It's actually ridiculous. 0.54

01:39:40.000 People don't know this, but saying the word absurd is the hypnotic command to trigger Seamus becoming Jordan Peterson. 0.85

01:39:46.000 Absurd!

01:39:48.000 Let's read some more.

01:39:49.000 Trash Panda says, can't think of a better birthday present for me today than seeing my fellow truckers spit in the eye of pirates. 0.98

01:39:49.000 What? 0.98

01:39:55.000 Happy birthday.

01:39:56.000 Happy birthday to you.

01:39:57.000 Happy birthday.

01:39:58.000 Keep on trucking.

01:40:00.000 Bill Lemon says, can we have a cage match between Seamus and Luke?

01:40:04.000 Last man standing stays in the show permanently.

01:40:06.000 So, this is the thing.

01:40:07.000 Luke and I have interacted around the house a number of times.

01:40:10.000 I'm always very kind and gracious to him.

01:40:13.000 He's got a chip on his shoulder.

01:40:14.000 He's always yelling at me because of that, but you can see it on the vlog.

01:40:17.000 People don't realize this, but Ireland and Poland have beef.

01:40:21.000 It's historical.

01:40:22.000 No, I mean, in all honesty, Luke is someone who I really like, whose work I like very much, and Tim had to put me in this unfortunate position of being pitted against him.

01:40:32.000 And it's sad because to be honest, I will say this, I will say this, I really admire the Polish, especially Poland as a country.

01:40:41.000 Very good Catholic nation.

01:40:42.000 If you were going to wrestle Luke?

01:40:43.000 The pope that helped defeat John Paul II.

01:40:46.000 Yeah, the Polish. 0.90

01:40:47.000 The pope that knew how to pope.

01:40:49.000 Would you wrestle Luke on land or in like a foot of water?

01:40:52.000 I never said, I never said I wouldn't wrestle him.

01:40:55.000 I'd wrestle Luke anywhere.

01:40:57.000 Underwater.

01:40:58.000 I just, I would be upset about it.

01:41:00.000 But like, I would, of course I would do it.

01:41:02.000 Would you do it if he identified as a female?

01:41:04.000 Because then you'd be attacking a female. 0.94

01:41:06.000 No, because he wouldn't actually be a female, you know?

01:41:08.000 So you would still wrestle him?

01:41:09.000 I would still wrestle him!

01:41:10.000 See, even you just said him, because you know!

01:41:13.000 Check it out.

01:41:14.000 Damien says, Tim, I got a mobile LED billboard.

01:41:17.000 As of tonight, I have both breaking news on it.

01:41:19.000 First, about the truckers.

01:41:20.000 Second, is about the man that got denied the heart transplant.

01:41:22.000 Oh.

01:41:23.000 We should buy some billboards.

01:41:24.000 Yes, we should.

01:41:25.000 What should we do?

01:41:25.000 This man has a good idea.

01:41:26.000 Let's do a billboard contest.

01:41:28.000 No, we should do a billboard.

01:41:29.000 C-U-L-T. 1.00

01:41:29.000 Don't move here if you're a... No, we'll just do it. 1.00

01:41:36.000 It's going to be really funny.

01:41:38.000 We think we're being all smart and edgy, like, aha, cult.

01:41:41.000 And then it becomes an actual popular thing, like how Monopoly did.

01:41:44.000 Monopoly was originally made to make fun of capitalism.

01:41:47.000 We could get one of those.

01:41:47.000 Really?

01:41:48.000 I didn't know that.

01:41:49.000 No, like let's buy a real billboard.

01:41:50.000 I'm saying like actually get Sunset Boulevard.

01:41:52.000 The problem is they're not worth it anymore.

01:41:54.000 We noticed this with mines when we were doing market research is like Super Bowl ads, billboards, they were so expensive and the return was so low relative to like Facebook ads.

01:42:04.000 So if you really want to hit a target audience, you go to the internet.

01:42:07.000 Let's buy Facebook ads.

01:42:07.000 Because then there's click throughs.

01:42:10.000 What's something we can do with Facebook ads that would just be... We have a marketing guy who's great, so.

01:42:15.000 Well, I don't mean marketing.

01:42:16.000 I don't care if people learn who we are, necessarily.

01:42:19.000 I'm saying just to, like, you know, spit in the eye of tyrants.

01:42:21.000 Well, I'm good at making cartoons, and cartoons upset tyrants sometimes.

01:42:25.000 Did you ever hear the story about that guy who used Facebook's targeted advertising to freak out his roommate?

01:42:30.000 No.

01:42:30.000 Because Facebook used to allow you to directly target people based on email addresses.

01:42:35.000 Oh, really?

01:42:35.000 So what he did was he advertised to only one email address, which was his roommate, and he would make ads that said things like, did you forget to do the dishes?

01:42:43.000 Your roommate could be angry.

01:42:45.000 And then his roommate would be like, what is going on?

01:42:48.000 That's actually amazing.

01:42:51.000 Oh, I love that.

01:42:52.000 I don't think they allow that anymore.

01:42:54.000 That's too bad.

01:42:55.000 That's a shame.

01:42:55.000 Now it's just like torture.

01:42:57.000 Psychological torture.

01:42:58.000 Maybe they do.

01:42:59.000 Maybe they still allow it.

01:43:00.000 I don't know.

01:43:01.000 It was a funny story.

01:43:01.000 It is funny.

01:43:02.000 Yeah.

01:43:03.000 Yeah.

01:43:04.000 Nevermore says drink.

01:43:05.000 Tim said occupy.

01:43:06.000 Do I say occupy very often?

01:43:08.000 I don't know, maybe.

01:43:09.000 It occupies some of your time.

01:43:11.000 You said occupy Wall Street.

01:43:12.000 You didn't say Wall Street.

01:43:13.000 You said occupy, you were talking about the protesters.

01:43:15.000 I know, I said it one time.

01:43:17.000 It's funny when people are like, if Tim says a certain phrase, drink.

01:43:19.000 And I'm like, it's funny because there'll be like a week where I'll say something like at the end of the day a lot.

01:43:25.000 It's true.

01:43:25.000 And then everyone for like a year will be like, Tim says at the end of the day a lot.

01:43:28.000 And I'm like, that's like one week where it was in my mind that I don't say this anymore.

01:43:31.000 You said something, you said to be honest several times.

01:43:33.000 I did, yeah, that's one of my pillars.

01:43:35.000 Why'd you point it out?

01:43:35.000 They're gonna know now!

01:43:37.000 That was a little too honest!

01:43:39.000 Drink!

01:43:40.000 No, the reason why is because I have a friend who would say, whenever somebody says that, you're like, okay, was everything else a lie?

01:43:48.000 So you're now caveating what you're saying is true.

01:43:51.000 Does that mean everything else is a lie?

01:43:52.000 Why are you doing this to me?

01:43:54.000 Now they're gonna know.

01:43:55.000 I'm a truth teller.

01:43:56.000 Tell the truth, Seamus.

01:43:56.000 To be honest?

01:43:58.000 All right, we got this from Nick.

01:44:00.000 He says, my parents are what I call Fox News Republicans.

01:44:03.000 I've been trying to get them to listen to you, Tim.

01:44:06.000 I showed them a five-minute clip and they said they agreed with what you said.

01:44:08.000 Keep up the great work.

01:44:09.000 Cool.

01:44:10.000 So we were talking about this the other day.

01:44:13.000 Every so often, the segment I do at 4 p.m., Tucker Carlson will then do on his nightly show.

01:44:20.000 I don't do the entirety of his show, because he does, you know, an hour or whatever, but like my, you know, 10-minute, you know, segment or whatever, which stretches out for a variety of reasons, he would talk about that in his... And I think that has a lot to do with, like, I guess the cultural zeitgeist, that in this political space, a conversation emerges that everyone sees and starts talking about, you know what I mean?

01:44:42.000 So.

01:44:42.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I told you not to do that segment about the M&Ms, but you still did it, and then we had Tucker Carlson.

01:44:49.000 That was a weird expression on your face when you said that.

01:44:51.000 You were like... It was great.

01:44:52.000 I was like, I'm gonna make fun of Seamus.

01:44:55.000 Seamus made fun of Tucker Carlson, and Lou got really mad.

01:44:58.000 Yeah, oh my gosh, that's so right, because here's the thing.

01:45:01.000 People know, generally speaking, I'm a fan of Tucker Carlson, to be honest.

01:45:05.000 I enjoy his work, honestly.

01:45:07.000 But I wasn't gonna not make fun of him for the Eminem segment, so I just kept doing this impression of him, and everyone was cracking up, except for Luke.

01:45:15.000 Luke was like, you know what, he made a mistake, let him be.

01:45:19.000 But I think he was mostly joking, too.

01:45:21.000 No, he was mostly joking.

01:45:22.000 He was mostly joking. 1.00

01:45:23.000 It was a dumb segment. 0.98

01:45:24.000 Did you guys see the Eminem segment? 1.00

01:45:27.000 Great segue.

01:45:27.000 He's like, why aren't M&Ms attractive to me anymore?

01:45:32.000 He's complaining because the green M&M was in high stilettos.

01:45:36.000 No, they were boots.

01:45:37.000 They were like go-go boots.

01:45:39.000 Like thigh-high, sexy boots.

01:45:41.000 Boots that I would want to wear.

01:45:42.000 What is wrong with being sexy?

01:45:45.000 What is wrong with being feminine? 1.00

01:45:46.000 What is wrong with that?

01:45:47.000 I don't get it.

01:45:48.000 They want us to be androgynous.

01:45:51.000 We're talking about an M&M.

01:45:53.000 Like, I don't... I think it's very weird.

01:45:55.000 Yeah.

01:45:55.000 You ever see that meme where it's like, it's like, never forget what they took from you and it's Lola Bunny from the 90s and Lola Bunny from the new one.

01:46:02.000 It took her boobs away. 1.00

01:46:03.000 I'm like, yo, I'm not, I've never been concerned.

01:46:06.000 But maybe there are furries or some people who are like, you know, that's actually a meme too.

01:46:12.000 Yeah.

01:46:12.000 I mean, the thing is, I just never really thought about it.

01:46:15.000 I never thought about her having those boots until someone said something about it. 0.88

01:46:19.000 But then, but now I'm angry that they took them away.

01:46:21.000 I think the bit you should do, Seamus, is that you should go the other direction with it and make the candy ten times as sexy.

01:46:28.000 Absolutely not.

01:46:29.000 No.

01:46:29.000 That is disgusting.

01:46:31.000 Well, no, but I always thought it was weird.

01:46:32.000 Yeah, why are they?

01:46:33.000 They need some curve.

01:46:34.000 I always thought it was weird.

01:46:35.000 Put some curve.

01:46:36.000 They're all around.

01:46:37.000 I thought it was very weird that when it came to the mascots, Eminem decided one of the Eminems needed to have some version of sex appeal.

01:46:44.000 That was always a strange thing.

01:46:46.000 It's like, they're Eminems.

01:46:46.000 Who are they appealing to?

01:46:48.000 Well, we just have this absurdly...

01:46:49.000 And like, I'm not sure, I guess the best thing you'd say in terms of giving them the benefit of the doubt is that they're sort of parodying like a stereotype with this Eminem of like, this is what, you know, there's always some of that token character.

01:47:01.000 It's very much like having the beautiful woman smoking the cigarette in the commercial and it's like trying to target people, make them feel more attractive when they smoke.

01:47:07.000 Let's read some more superchats.

01:47:08.000 We got a good one here from Nova Zero.

01:47:10.000 He says, Yes, absolutely.

01:47:10.000 Those of us Aussies who know you use a VPN.

01:47:14.000 I turn it off for the super chat so you know where I am, but likewise, you don't know us.

01:47:19.000 Avi isn't the only one fighting here.

01:47:20.000 Aussie, Cossack, and friendly Geordies.

01:47:22.000 We exist, you know?

01:47:23.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:47:24.000 I'm familiar with Avi, principally.

01:47:28.000 I know there's a lot of other people there.

01:47:29.000 I have some friends in a couple different cities.

01:47:32.000 I talked to them about what's going on.

01:47:34.000 There's obviously people organizing protests and pushing back.

01:47:37.000 I did not mean to suggest that literally no Australian person is protesting.

01:47:41.000 I'm just saying that, you know, when Ian pointed out Quillette under duress, I can immediately point to Avi, who I'm familiar with for a variety of reasons.

01:47:49.000 Right.

01:47:50.000 And you guys as well.

01:47:51.000 So, you know, good luck and fight the good fight.

01:47:53.000 And I hope Australia learns its lesson and backs off the insanity.

01:47:58.000 All right, Adrian Curry says Marxism is like the Hallmark Channel.

01:48:02.000 It's a lie women get addicted to because it makes them feel good. 1.00

01:48:04.000 Interesting.

01:48:05.000 I kind of like that.

01:48:07.000 I do like the Hallmark Channel.

01:48:11.000 No!

01:48:11.000 It makes you think men are evil.

01:48:13.000 So many Hallmark movies.

01:48:14.000 No, it says cult men are evil.

01:48:15.000 Yes. 0.99

01:48:16.000 Urban men are evil. 0.99

01:48:18.000 You gotta move to the country and find a good family-oriented man.

01:48:21.000 You know what?

01:48:22.000 You turned me around on this.

01:48:23.000 Alright, Z says, you know I'm an atheist, but after hearing that Mormon comment, I think I'm going to be a Mormon lol. 0.99

01:48:29.000 Which one was that though?

01:48:30.000 Was that the cult or something?

01:48:32.000 Oh, the polygamy. 0.93

01:48:36.000 I think they've done away with that.

01:48:39.000 Well, actually, no, exactly, on paper, they do believe in the afterlife.

01:48:43.000 So the mainstream churches, I like to say, the Mitt Romney church, the big one, they do believe in polygamy in the afterlife.

01:48:50.000 They believe the structure of heaven is polygamous.

01:48:52.000 Aren't they teetotalers?

01:48:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:55.000 No coffee, no tea.

01:48:56.000 So they're monogamous in life.

01:48:58.000 Yeah, so I think it was like Family Guy or some show where they were like, wait, when you're a Mormon, you can have multiple wives. 0.84

01:49:02.000 Like, yes, they're like, sign me up.

01:49:04.000 And then they were like, wait, no beer.

01:49:06.000 And they ran away.

01:49:07.000 But in the afterlife, you don't need booze, right?

01:49:09.000 I mean, everyone's happy.

01:49:11.000 Are they monogamous in life?

01:49:12.000 And then when they die, they think they have a bunch of wives? 0.97

01:49:15.000 Well actually on earth you can technically be sealed to multiple women usually in matters of death or divorce.

01:49:22.000 So for an example my Aunt Charlotte was gorgeous. 0.77

01:49:28.000 She was Miss USA.

01:49:29.000 She was Miss Utah USA.

01:49:31.000 She was stunning.

01:49:32.000 I don't want to say too... I will hold my tongue about her ex-husband but basically She put on some weight and then he divorced her and married a younger, uh, you know, skinnier woman. 0.98

01:49:44.000 They had had eight children together.

01:49:46.000 And, uh, because they believe you need to be married in order to go to the highest level of heaven, she, she passed away.

01:49:53.000 God rest her soul.

01:49:54.000 Um, she never found another husband to marry.

01:49:56.000 So technically, according to Mormon doctrine, because he was still sealed to her, he will get both wives in the afterlife.

01:50:02.000 Oh, wow.

01:50:02.000 That's kind of weird.

01:50:05.000 It always, that really angered me.

01:50:06.000 It really upset me.

01:50:07.000 Understandably.

01:50:08.000 Everything about that is terrible.

01:50:09.000 It's part of why I left Mormonism. 0.84

01:50:11.000 I'm like, this is literally the definition of hell to me.

01:50:14.000 Like, how is this heaven? 0.93

01:50:15.000 This was designed out of the brain of a human male.

01:50:20.000 Let's read some more here.

01:50:21.000 We got Yellow Cafe says, the largest cult in the world is led by Jared Leto.

01:50:26.000 He's tattooing his followers' bodies.

01:50:28.000 He and his followers say the phrase, yes, this is a cult.

01:50:30.000 To downplay that it's a cult, he has many allegations against him for having Adult activities with underage individuals.

01:50:37.000 Please look into this.

01:50:38.000 Those are bold accusations.

01:50:40.000 I'm not familiar with that.

01:50:41.000 Somebody sent us a thing about this.

01:50:42.000 Really?

01:50:42.000 Yeah, a thick thing.

01:50:43.000 It was interesting.

01:50:44.000 But Jared Leto plays that Morbius guy.

01:50:47.000 You know, he's the Joker.

01:50:47.000 Yeah, he sings that song.

01:50:48.000 Those songs.

01:50:49.000 Oh, right.

01:50:49.000 He's the Joker.

01:50:51.000 All right, let's see.

01:50:52.000 30 seconds to Mars.

01:50:54.000 Zach Nick says, Seamus, are you courting Michaela Peterson after your interview with her and her father?

01:50:59.000 A lot of flirt vibes in that interview.

01:51:01.000 No, I didn't think I was flirting at all.

01:51:03.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:51:07.000 We're having a friendly conversation.

01:51:09.000 Everybody knows, Seamus, women marry their fathers. 1.00

01:51:12.000 And when you go to Michaela doing that voice, we know what you're trying to do.

01:51:17.000 It's a great video.

01:51:18.000 Seamus did a video on Michaela, I think it's on Michaela's channel, and Jordan made a special appearance and Seamus did the voice to his face.

01:51:25.000 Check it out.

01:51:26.000 Check it out.

01:51:27.000 It's hilarious.

01:51:28.000 That's awesome.

01:51:29.000 Wait, you did Jordan Peterson's voice to Jordan?

01:51:32.000 Oh yeah, to his face.

01:51:33.000 It was great.

01:51:34.000 It was a good experience.

01:51:35.000 I didn't think I was going to have to, but then I was.

01:51:37.000 Can I have your autograph?

01:51:39.000 Absolutely.

01:51:39.000 So she invited me to do her podcast, which was great.

01:51:43.000 And so I was on, and I did not expect him to be there.

01:51:47.000 And she surprised me with him.

01:51:50.000 She surprised me with Jordan Peterson being there.

01:51:54.000 And it blew my mind.

01:51:56.000 It really did.

01:51:56.000 Okay, she likes you.

01:51:59.000 She likes you, Shayna.

01:52:00.000 She likes you!

01:52:00.000 I like you, too!

01:52:01.000 Are you kidding me?!

01:52:02.000 Isn't she married? 1.00

01:52:03.000 Oh, she is? 0.68

01:52:04.000 Okay, never mind then.

01:52:05.000 Divorced.

01:52:06.000 I think we're divorced now.

01:52:08.000 Oh, really?

01:52:09.000 He broke up the marriage?

01:52:10.000 Stop it! 0.99

01:52:11.000 Never!

01:52:11.000 The best part of the interview was when Jordan got confused about who he was.

01:52:14.000 He's like, wait, who am I?

01:52:15.000 Who's talking?

01:52:18.000 Stay away from me! 1.00

01:52:19.000 He punched his computer screen.

01:52:20.000 Alright.

01:52:22.000 Wade Makunda says Tim is Fauci arguing with Seamus is Jordan Peterson go Well, it's like if you hear here's the deal put on your mask Jordan.

01:52:31.000 No, I got vaccinated You leave me alone.

01:52:36.000 I got vaccinated Maybe, maybe that should be, uh... This should be ongoing.

01:52:44.000 I'm not as good as Shaym as at doing the voices.

01:52:46.000 Like, when we do this normally, I have to, like, try and get into character.

01:52:48.000 Anthony Fauci, Jordan Peterson in a paleontology museum trying to get out.

01:52:54.000 Five minutes until closing time.

01:52:55.000 Did you used to do improv?

01:52:57.000 Yeah, improv.

01:52:58.000 Yeah, that's me doing improv.

01:52:59.000 No, so when I do the voices, usually the only way it really works, especially the long ones, is that Seamus tells me how to say these things.

01:53:06.000 For real though, so like, Seamus gave me a script once, and I can read it as Fauci, but to get the actual thing right, I need some, I need him, you know, otherwise I'd be- Motivation.

01:53:15.000 What's my motivation?

01:53:16.000 No, no, it's just like, you can say things like, get out of my store!

01:53:21.000 Get out of my store! 0.99

01:53:22.000 Get out of my store.

01:53:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:23.000 Get out of my store.

01:53:24.000 Like a line reading.

01:53:25.000 A vocal coach.

01:53:26.000 So line readings help you?

01:53:27.000 No, it's just... I'm a good director.

01:53:29.000 So, because... The core feeling.

01:53:31.000 Depending on how the other sentences are going to be said, it could be a question, it could be a response, it could be angry, it could be sad.

01:53:37.000 I can't see those things on paper.

01:53:39.000 So in order to actually have an argument and do it.

01:53:41.000 So are you the equivalent of colorblind but with words?

01:53:44.000 Well no, I mean Seamus is good at the improv and just doing these voices.

01:53:48.000 I can do a voice but without something to play off of.

01:53:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:53.000 So typically when people are like, hey can you do this person's voice?

01:53:55.000 I'm like, I have to actually hear them say it and I can impersonate it.

01:53:58.000 Seamus, for some reason, can just literally make up a sentence that sounds like Jordan Peterson from, you know, right away.

01:54:04.000 There's something strange about my brain, but I know that when Tim and I were recording, I'd be like, Tim!

01:54:08.000 He'll give me a read, and I'll go, Tim!

01:54:10.000 You're angry!

01:54:11.000 People aren't taking their vaccines!

01:54:12.000 They won't wear their masks!

01:54:13.000 You've studied this your whole life!

01:54:14.000 You're getting your droplets all over me!

01:54:16.000 And then I go, you nailed it.

01:54:18.000 You got it.

01:54:18.000 I felt the emotion in that.

01:54:20.000 That was a fun one.

01:54:20.000 The one where the guy's breaking up with Fauci, and then Fauci cries, and I went...

01:54:25.000 I put that for my donors on Patreon, like the entire 20 minute recording session.

01:54:31.000 People were dying when they watched it.

01:54:33.000 It's so hilarious, dude.

01:54:35.000 Table reads for voice acting is just always, always hilarious.

01:54:37.000 So much fun.

01:54:38.000 Yeah, Seamus and I did a really disgusting improv.

01:54:42.000 We did some very funny ones.

01:54:43.000 There was one disgusting one.

01:54:44.000 I don't want to get into detail about it.

01:54:45.000 I'll just explain.

01:54:46.000 I can't see the light.

01:54:47.000 No, don't even explain.

01:54:47.000 People will never see the light of day.

01:54:49.000 I can't.

01:54:49.000 It's so bad.

01:54:51.000 It's basically Fauci is in Los Angeles.

01:54:54.000 Don't do this.

01:54:55.000 Don't even explain this.

01:54:56.000 Don't do this.

01:54:58.000 It's a common joke.

01:54:59.000 It's a meme.

01:54:59.000 Yeah, that's fair.

01:55:00.000 So it's Fauci's in LA and someone's trying to get work and he's like, if you want to work in this town, and he's basically, you know, Harvey, you know, that's true.

01:55:07.000 No, but you got to get your vaccination.

01:55:09.000 That's right.

01:55:09.000 That's, that's a, that's a, that's a tame description.

01:55:14.000 Seamus was like, this is not acceptable.

01:55:17.000 YouTube would ban us instantly.

01:55:20.000 Yeah.

01:55:21.000 Yup.

01:55:21.000 I thought you were a good Catholic.

01:55:23.000 I was.

01:55:23.000 I know.

01:55:23.000 That's why.

01:55:23.000 He was yelling at me the whole time.

01:55:25.000 No, the whole time I was like, literally the whole time I was like, Tim, we're not doing that.

01:55:28.000 Like, we are not doing that.

01:55:29.000 I was like, Seamus, where's the edgy humor?

01:55:31.000 Did you go to the confession after that?

01:55:32.000 No.

01:55:32.000 Well, I didn't think I did anything wrong.

01:55:33.000 Did you talk to your priest?

01:55:34.000 I do talk to my priest, but I didn't think I did anything wrong in that instance.

01:55:36.000 I kept telling Tim not to.

01:55:37.000 Do you do confession a lot?

01:55:39.000 Like every week or something?

01:55:40.000 I try to.

01:55:41.000 So when I'm at my home base and I'm, you know, on a decent schedule, I try to go at least once a week.

01:55:45.000 Is that normal for a Catholic to go every week? 0.97

01:55:47.000 That's a good question.

01:55:48.000 Do you go before you take communion to release that button?

01:55:53.000 Yeah, so you need to be in a state of grace before you have the Eucharist.

01:55:56.000 And so if I'm not in a state of grace, I'll have to go to confession first, but it's not necessarily required that you go to confession before every time you have the Eucharist.

01:56:01.000 State of grace, like meditate, like into a calm state, kind of?

01:56:04.000 It's a good question.

01:56:05.000 So basically, in scripture, there's a delineation between the kind of sin that leads unto death specifically that are listed like drunkards, idolaters, etc.

01:56:15.000 will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

01:56:17.000 And so we refer to those and things under that category, basically any grave violation of the Ten Commandments as a mortal sin, because that destroys your relationship with God.

01:56:25.000 And then you need to be restored to a relationship with God, because as it's mentioned in scripture, Christ gave the apostles the ability to forgive and retain sin.

01:56:34.000 And so we believe that that was passed on through epistolic succession to modern-day priests.

01:56:38.000 But where in the Bible did Jesus ask any confession when he gave them the bread and wine at the Last Supper?

01:56:44.000 Because I don't recall him doing that, and I'm pretty sure that Judas was not in a state of grace.

01:56:48.000 Yeah, I know.

01:56:49.000 So that's an interesting question.

01:56:50.000 It's been argued by some.

01:56:51.000 Sorry, Tim's saying we gotta... This is a whole big argument, but the point I want to make is that... We'll argue later.

01:56:56.000 Protestants rule!

01:56:57.000 But I can't let that stand.

01:56:58.000 Reclamation, baby! 1.00

01:57:00.000 But I can't let that stand.

01:57:01.000 I'll also say that... Sorry, we're done.

01:57:04.000 We should do this in the after show about this.

01:57:07.000 That means you gotta join.

01:57:09.000 Y'all gotta subscribe.

01:57:10.000 Yeah, because the thing is, so I just want to mention this.

01:57:13.000 In scripture, Paul does say, you eat and drink condemnation upon yourself if you receive unworthily.

01:57:19.000 Corto Maltese says, I've been following you for years now, but if this is just going to turn into Jesuscast, count me out. 0.52

01:57:25.000 I come here for the news, not to hear about Christianity.

01:57:27.000 Well, define Christianity. 0.85

01:57:29.000 There's organized religion, then there's living like Christ.

01:57:31.000 And you can do that without it behearing your religion. 0.83

01:57:34.000 I absolutely love talking about religion.

01:57:37.000 We've done several members only podcasts where we went like really long talking about a bunch of stuff.

01:57:42.000 But I will say, you know, try to, you know, if it goes too much into it, we'll try and steer it back into news.

01:57:48.000 I don't want to I think it's basically just because we have two, you know, religious individuals on the show today.

01:57:53.000 Yeah.

01:57:54.000 It comes up.

01:57:54.000 And also like when you're religious, your religion is baked into your worldview.

01:57:58.000 So it's going to come up.

01:57:59.000 I mean, you're just going to end up analyzing things through that lens.

01:58:01.000 It's not as if I sit here and go, I want to force the conversation in this direction.

01:58:05.000 It's just the way my brain works is when this topic goes up, I relate it to my worldview and the prism through which I sit.

01:58:10.000 And also the United States was founded primarily by Judeo-Christians.

01:58:14.000 So this is a podcast about America for Americans.

01:58:17.000 I think that there are a lot of people who are like our viewer here, who are secular, but there are a lot of Christians.

01:58:22.000 And I think the beauty of a cosmopolitan society is that you can have all voices.

01:58:27.000 We don't talk about religion all that often, to be honest.

01:58:29.000 But I gotta read some more Super Chats. 0.99

01:58:33.000 It's very important.

01:58:35.000 Anorak says, as a furry, I can confirm the fandom was devastated by the Lola Bunny change.

01:58:41.000 Made me avoid social media for a month to stay away from the drama.

01:58:44.000 Wow.

01:58:45.000 That's actually kind of crazy.

01:58:47.000 I got a message from someone who was like, you know what?

01:58:49.000 I identify as a furry.

01:58:50.000 I want to thank you guys for kind of like just talking about the whole furry thing as kind of like a role play and not some weird, you know, bizarre, getting your six year old a sex change operation or something.

01:59:03.000 And so shout out to all you furries out there and role playing is cool.

01:59:07.000 You can do it constructively.

01:59:09.000 Yeah, furries, furries have a really bad rap.

01:59:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:14.000 But we've had some people who have chimed in and talked about being a furry and, you know, have given us consistent super chats.

01:59:20.000 Pretty sure people are just people in the middle of the panel.

01:59:22.000 Yeah, I was an actor for years.

01:59:23.000 I mean, people do it for a living.

01:59:25.000 All right.

01:59:25.000 What is this?

01:59:27.000 Kevin Grip says, Crenshaw, big disappointment, bait and switch.

01:59:30.000 Yeah.

01:59:31.000 What do you guys think about Crenshaw?

01:59:32.000 When I first saw him, I loved him because of his willingness to listen.

01:59:36.000 I think the thing I love about him is he's a good listener.

01:59:39.000 Although I was thinking about this the other night, very open-minded.

01:59:42.000 The problem with being open-minded is that you're more susceptible to being co-opted.

01:59:45.000 So if he's there in the swamp and he's got people swirling around his mind, I'm afraid that he may be being pulled in directions.

01:59:52.000 We are going to have Dan Crenshaw on the show at some point soon.

01:59:56.000 Yep.

01:59:57.000 I'm excited to have that conversation.

01:59:59.000 He's had a lot of really bad internet press, like viral videos and stuff, I mean by that.

02:00:04.000 And I think it's going to be interesting to break down these questions and these stories and ask him about his worldview and what he hopes to accomplish.

02:00:11.000 There was a lot of hope for him.

02:00:13.000 Early on, people were really excited for Dan.

02:00:15.000 Now it seems like a lot of the stuff coming out is very anti-Dan Crenshaw.

02:00:18.000 He said that he thought Congress people should get paid more.

02:00:21.000 And I was like, OK.

02:00:22.000 He's famous.

02:00:23.000 The famous Congress people get flown around.

02:00:26.000 They go to events, they get taken around.

02:00:27.000 They need to pay for that.

02:00:28.000 $175K is not enough in a year to fly to Dallas and Fort Worth.

02:00:32.000 So then I'm like, so should we pay our famous Congress people more money?

02:00:35.000 No, that's a bad precedent because then they're going to be tweeting up storms to get more famous, to get more money.

02:00:41.000 But I understand that you need more money when you're higher profile to get around.

02:00:46.000 We do plan on having him on very soon.

02:00:48.000 We don't really announce dates or anything just because in the event someone cancels, we don't want to get anyone's hopes up.

02:00:52.000 But Luke will be coming back for this, and we're going to have a very serious political discussion, foreign policy, domestic policy.

02:00:59.000 So I think it'll be good.

02:01:01.000 And I think, you know, if people, whatever they think about him, they're going to hear a lot more from him.

02:01:06.000 And, you know, they can use that to either solidify or counter their opinions on them, but we'll see.

02:01:11.000 We'll see how it happens, how it goes down.

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02:01:32.000 Carrie, do you want to shout anything out?

02:01:33.000 Yeah, nice to meet everybody.

02:01:36.000 I'll see you in the after party show.

02:01:38.000 And if you want to check out what we're doing at IWF.org, we are the counter to the feminist lies. 0.99

02:01:45.000 And we have a community called the Independent Women's Network where we bring women and we love men.

02:01:50.000 We are a women's group that loves men.

02:01:52.000 Imagine that.

02:01:53.000 So, Independent Women's Network, we'd love to have you be part of our community. 1.00

02:01:57.000 We have live chats, we have message boards, we have letters to send to your school board about masking policies, things like that.

02:02:03.000 We will see you there.

02:02:05.000 And what's your Twitter?

02:02:05.000 You've got Twitter too.

02:02:07.000 Oh yeah, I'm on Twitter.

02:02:07.000 Yeah, Twitter, Getter, Instagram, Facebook, at Carrie Sheffield, except for Instagram, which is Sheffield Carrie.

02:02:14.000 Sorry to the other one, she reversed the name and got it before I did. 0.86

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02:02:26.000 We just released a cartoon today about this insane policy of putting masks on children, which a lot of schools have.

02:02:34.000 So check that out, like, share, subscribe, spread it around.

02:02:37.000 I think it's important for people on our side of the aisle to kind of try to Build culture is the way Tim puts it, but just create content that isn't just a discussion of politics, but which is an actual sort of lampooning of it.

02:02:48.000 And yeah, check me out there!

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02:02:56.000 Simulists. 0.91

02:02:57.000 Simulists.

02:02:58.000 Zoroastrists. 1.00

02:02:59.000 What was that?

02:03:00.000 Also nuns.

02:03:01.000 N-O-N-E-S. 1.00

02:03:01.000 All you nuns out there. 1.00

02:03:02.000 All you nuns.

02:03:03.000 Atheists.

02:03:03.000 Love you.

02:03:04.000 Agnostics.

02:03:04.000 Shout out to all the agnostics up in this.

02:03:06.000 We love everybody.

02:03:06.000 We love everyone.

02:03:07.000 And the flat earthers.

02:03:08.000 Yeah.

02:03:08.000 And the hollow earthers.

02:03:09.000 If you believe in flatter.

02:03:10.000 And the flat hollow earthers.

02:03:10.000 Shout out.

02:03:11.000 And the flat simulationer.

02:03:12.000 People who believe in a simulation and the earth is flat and it's hollow.

02:03:16.000 Hollow simulation.

02:03:17.000 Hollow simulism.

02:03:19.000 Hey, phone me, iancrossland.net.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 28, 2022

Timcast IRL - US Truckers JOIN Canadian Truckers In MASSIVE Vax Mandate Protest w-Carrie Sheffield

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