Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - GOP Backstabs Voters By Voting For Red Flag law Gun Control w-Seth Dillon

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00:01:01.000 man it is it's a slow news day Andrew Gillum is not really in the news all that much but he was indicted on 21 felony corruption charges.

00:01:23.000 Kind of crazy story because he was like 0.4 percent away from being the governor of Florida and then we would not have Ron DeSantis.

00:01:32.000 So crazy story.

00:01:33.000 We'll talk a little bit a little bit about that.

00:01:34.000 We got a story that's got everybody a little bit pissed off is that 14 Republicans Four of them, out of the blue, have signed on to red flag law gun control BS.

00:01:45.000 And now Steve Scalise is basically going around being like, do not vote on this when it goes to the floor or whatever.

00:01:52.000 And I can't say I'm surprised. 0.99

00:01:53.000 The Republicans, in my opinion, are fairly garbage. 1.00

00:01:56.000 But we'll talk about that. 1.00

00:01:56.000 We also got Ron DeSantis in many statewide polls actually leading Trump. 1.00

00:02:00.000 And on Predict It, Ron DeSantis is beating Trump to be the candidate in 2024.

00:02:06.000 And I think the issue is quite simple.

00:02:08.000 Ron DeSantis is in politics now, actively engaging in the culture war.

00:02:14.000 So his star is rising.

00:02:15.000 Donald Trump is not.

00:02:16.000 He's having rallies but He's just either stagnant or just, you know, there.

00:02:22.000 Ron DeSantis has two years of growth ahead of him, so I think it's a fairly good bet.

00:02:26.000 We'll talk about this and we'll talk about fake news and other issues around that satire because we are being joined by the CEO of the Babylon Bee, Seth Dillon.

00:02:36.000 That's me.

00:02:37.000 Introduce yourself.

00:02:38.000 Seth Dillon, CEO of the Babylon Bee.

00:02:40.000 Fake news you can trust, yeah.

00:02:41.000 Fake news you can trust.

00:02:43.000 So what's the Babylon Bee for those that might not know?

00:02:46.000 For those that might not know, we're like, what do they call us on our Wikipedia page?

00:02:49.000 The conservative version of the onion, I guess.

00:02:51.000 That's kind of how we were known initially in the media.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, we exaggerate the truth with fake stories that often come true because reality is catching up to satire about as fast as we can write it.

00:03:06.000 And then what do you do when your satire comes true?

00:03:09.000 Do you have to go back and then delete it because it's real news now?

00:03:13.000 Like, uh-oh.

00:03:15.000 We mark it down as a fulfilled prophecy.

00:03:18.000 We're tracking them in a spreadsheet now.

00:03:19.000 I posted a Google Doc recently.

00:03:20.000 I've got like 67 or 70 of these things.

00:03:24.000 Jokes that came true. 0.92

00:03:25.000 Well, we'll talk about all that.

00:03:27.000 That'll be fun.

00:03:27.000 We also got Seamus.

00:03:28.000 Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes here.

00:03:30.000 I am interested in having a conversation about DeSantis and Trump.

00:03:33.000 That's always a fun one.

00:03:35.000 I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.

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00:03:47.000 I love you.

00:03:48.000 I was trying to remember in regards to Babylon, who was the guy with all the prophecies, but I don't, was he a Babylonian guy?

00:03:54.000 It wasn't Nebuchadnezzar, I don't think.

00:03:57.000 Well, there were a number of prophets in the Old Testament, but you know, Babylon was, is a reference to like the, the exile.

00:04:03.000 So you had like the Hebrew people in exile and like Babylon B is like a play on that saying that like, we're like conservative Christians today are like doing dispatches from exile.

00:04:13.000 So, well, let's talk more about that tonight.

00:04:15.000 Maybe if it comes up.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, and I'm over here missing my cues in the corner because I'm distracted.

00:04:20.000 I'm very sorry.

00:04:21.000 You have my full attention now.

00:04:22.000 Seth is fantastic.

00:04:23.000 He's very funny.

00:04:24.000 I'm really excited for this evening's conversation.

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00:06:29.000 Let's jump to our first story from NotTheBee.

00:06:33.000 14 GOP senators just voted to limit your right to keep and bear arms, including Lindsey Graham, who said he would vigorously oppose the bill.

00:06:42.000 Well, if you trust Lindsey Graham, you've got other issues going on.

00:06:47.000 Okay.

00:06:48.000 So that's basically the story.

00:06:50.000 The Senate on Tuesday broke through nearly 30 years of stalemate on gun control legislation by voting 64 to 34 to advance an 80-page gun safety bill to respond to the mass shootings of Buffalo and Uvalde that left 31 people dead.

00:07:03.000 The Senate voted to proceed to the bill just more than an hour after negotiators unveiled its text, giving lawmakers little time to digest its details.

00:07:11.000 So the bill is actually quite absurd.

00:07:13.000 I was reading that it doesn't mention guns until like page 25.

00:07:18.000 It's mostly like a whole bunch of weird Medicaid bloat that they couldn't get through anywhere else, and they were like, uh, gun control, and they just jammed a bunch of trash into it.

00:07:28.000 But yeah, the bill is actually really bad.

00:07:30.000 You've got the Republican senator from West Virginia, Shelley Moore Capito, who's voting in favor of it, which is nuts, but surprise, surprise, the GOP is selling you out.

00:07:39.000 There's crisis intervention, not red flag laws.

00:07:42.000 crisis intervention, which is literally the same thing.

00:07:45.000 They want a 10 day waiting period and juvenile check for all background checks for anyone under

00:07:51.000 21, which basically means from 18 to 21 as a legal adult, you will have basic what like a 10 day

00:07:57.000 waiting period, which is what they've been trying to do for a long time. I'm not going to sit here and

00:08:01.000 say that they're trying to ban guns But this is the game they play.

00:08:05.000 They introduce a crazy bill and say, we want to ban weapons, we want to raise the age to 21.

00:08:11.000 Everyone loses their mind and they go, okay, okay, fine.

00:08:13.000 Just enhanced background checks for people over 18 but under 21.

00:08:17.000 That's acceptable, right?

00:08:18.000 And my attitude is like, no!

00:08:20.000 What's acceptable would be the Republicans What they did, and I think it was Pennsylvania, they took the bill and they just erased all the text and put in constitutional carry instead.

00:08:30.000 How about that?

00:08:30.000 How about the Republicans actually stand up for our right to keep and bear arms?

00:08:35.000 Makes me wonder, like, if a shooter appears that has an illegally acquired gun and does a mass shooting, like, are they going to then try and make it harder for people to get weapons again?

00:08:46.000 Like, this is complete insanity.

00:08:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:49.000 I mean, look, there are so many laws on the books that would have prevented virtually all of the mass shootings that have become big news stories, but that hasn't prevented them from trying to solve the problem by introducing more laws.

00:08:59.000 To go back to your point, Tim, I disagree.

00:09:01.000 I mean, I do think they're trying to ban all guns.

00:09:02.000 I think they know that change occurs incrementally.

00:09:07.000 And every time you point out... That's what I'm saying.

00:09:08.000 Okay, yeah, yeah.

00:09:09.000 And so every time you point out that you know that they go, that's the slippery slope fallacy, which is not, of course, as we have seen, not a fallacy.

00:09:17.000 The slippery slope fallacy is a fallacy.

00:09:19.000 If you're saying you should only be against this, uh, because it could lead to other things.

00:09:24.000 But if you're able to explain why it will based on a pattern we've seen in the past of.

00:09:30.000 Incremental change constantly occurring where the left says it won't, then that's not fallacious.

00:09:34.000 That's just pattern recognition.

00:09:36.000 Yep.

00:09:37.000 Yeah.

00:09:38.000 All right, so we all agree then.

00:09:39.000 I think that's a wrap for tonight.

00:09:40.000 Good show, guys.

00:09:41.000 Time for the after show.

00:09:42.000 Let's get dirty. 1.00

00:09:44.000 You're right, Seamus.

00:09:45.000 I mean, Hitler did it slowly. 0.82

00:09:46.000 It took him 10 years, about.

00:09:48.000 19, I think they got started in, not 29, 33, really, when Hitler got the, what do they call it, the, what was that act that he signed that basically stripped everybody's rights away?

00:09:57.000 The enabling act?

00:09:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:59.000 They burned the Reichstag.

00:10:00.000 Somebody burned it.

00:10:01.000 He blamed the communists.

00:10:02.000 And research has been done on this, and they said there's no way these two guys that Hitler blamed or this one guy could have burned that building the way it burned.

00:10:10.000 They tried to replicate it.

00:10:12.000 They're like, no, no.

00:10:13.000 They think it was a staged planned event, probably by Hitler, to scare everyone in the country and then do the enabling act and seize their weapons.

00:10:21.000 So I'm quite pissed off at these Republicans.

00:10:24.000 And one of the Republicans that supported this was Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia.

00:10:30.000 And I'm kind of pissed because we're currently building our new West Virginia headquarters, and I was like, this is a state, it's a great state to invest in, to bring our business, which is, you know, gonna bring a lot of jobs and we're expanding.

00:10:40.000 All thanks to all of you as members at TimCast.com.

00:10:43.000 And now I have to deal with the Republican senator selling me out?

00:10:48.000 Yo, I'm trying to move my business here! 0.54

00:10:50.000 They really don't want it.

00:10:52.000 I'll tell you this, Maryland hates us. 0.99

00:10:54.000 And I don't mean as in, like, me personally.

00:10:56.000 I mean, Maryland hates business. 1.00

00:10:59.000 Like, they have laws that are just like, we will flog you for being a businessman. 0.73

00:11:02.000 It's so insane to start, even a charity in Maryland has ridiculous costs.

00:11:07.000 Like, get your act together, you guys.

00:11:08.000 Do you not want me to start a business here?

00:11:10.000 They don't!

00:11:11.000 New Jersey was the same way.

00:11:13.000 It's like, I would like to start a business and bring, you know, wealth.

00:11:16.000 And they would be like, we're going to beat you over the head instead.

00:11:18.000 So we leave New Jersey.

00:11:20.000 We have a part of our operation in Maryland, and now going through just the logistics of operating in Maryland, I'm just like, it is better for the business to shut everything down and spend like a million bucks to just move everything out of Maryland because it is so hostile to business.

00:11:39.000 But now I got to contend with this Shelley Moore Capito woman. 1.00

00:11:42.000 So I was just like, okay, I need to confer with my lawyer as to how much money I'm allowed to spend to make sure she never wins re-election again.

00:11:48.000 And I'm really pissed off about this.

00:11:50.000 Perhaps the only thing these people respond to are leftist tactics like organizing 24-7 protests outside their homes or putting up billboards all over their hometown, insulting them and dragging their character. 0.59

00:12:03.000 I'm sick of these people. 1.00

00:12:03.000 They're scumbags. 1.00

00:12:04.000 And the problem is conservatives, there's too many, too many conservatives are cowards. 1.00

00:12:10.000 Don't do anything. 0.98

00:12:11.000 And that's why they do it.

00:12:12.000 These GOP members know.

00:12:14.000 That they can support the Democrats and Republicans will grumble and forget about it.

00:12:19.000 So I'm not a Republican, I'm not a conservative, I'm more libertarian than anything, and I'm right pissed off that this woman in the second most Trump-supporting state just sold me out How dare you, madam! 1.00

00:12:31.000 I am going to put whatever I can, to whatever legal extent, to make sure you are retired by your re-election.

00:12:37.000 And you know what the problem is?

00:12:38.000 She knows it!

00:12:39.000 Her re-election isn't until 2026.

00:12:41.000 She's old.

00:12:42.000 She's probably like, well, I'll burn down the house because I'm leaving anyway. 1.00

00:12:45.000 These people are absolute scumbags. 1.00

00:12:48.000 Cornyn as well. 1.00

00:12:49.000 Well, we're gonna negotiate on, it's not really red flag laws, literally red flag laws. 0.99

00:12:54.000 She puts out a statement, she's like, we will never have red flag laws in these states, so you're just enacting a federal legislation to expand red flag laws, but hoping it doesn't come to West Virginia, you absolute scumbag. 0.97

00:13:05.000 Well, and also this idea of negotiating, right? 0.98

00:13:07.000 I mentioned this on the show the other day.

00:13:09.000 They'll talk about compromise.

00:13:10.000 It's not compromise if you don't get anything out of it.

00:13:14.000 It's not a negotiation if there's no need for you to be having a conversation with the person.

00:13:18.000 We've seen the polling data.

00:13:19.000 We can't predict the future, but it's probably likely that Republicans are going to do pretty well in the midterms.

00:13:25.000 So you'd think they'd be able to look down the line and say, we have a little bit of leverage to not have to cave in to the left every single time they demand something of us, but no.

00:13:33.000 They're going to win the midterms and everyone's going to clap and cheer.

00:13:36.000 And then they're going to be like, and now what were you trying to pass Democrats?

00:13:39.000 Exactly.

00:13:40.000 Now that we've won and don't need to argue with you.

00:13:42.000 Why don't you move to Florida?

00:13:44.000 Come to Florida.

00:13:45.000 You know, West Virginia is not all bad just because the Senate did one bad thing.

00:13:50.000 Ron DeSantis is pretty great, but the weather.

00:13:55.000 It's more expensive.

00:13:56.000 So West Virginia is still a great place for expanding a business.

00:14:01.000 Land is cheap, much less regulation.

00:14:04.000 You guys don't have constitutional carry yet, but I believe it's coming.

00:14:08.000 The gun laws are still not that bad, but you know.

00:14:11.000 I lived in Florida, man, and you can't go out, well, I lived in Miami for a year, and you just can't go outside.

00:14:16.000 With a beanie on.

00:14:18.000 No, Ian, you can't go outside at all.

00:14:21.000 Hey man, I'm with you.

00:14:22.000 I was in Miami in February.

00:14:24.000 It was like 99 degrees.

00:14:27.000 You can go outside January and February.

00:14:29.000 The windows on every building are drenched.

00:14:30.000 Yeah, our AC overloaded and started getting all this condensation because I had cracked a window and the entire, it like flooded the ceiling.

00:14:37.000 They have a statue of the man who invented air conditioning in Miami.

00:14:41.000 I'm not kidding.

00:14:42.000 They warned us not to open the window.

00:14:44.000 So, I'll say this.

00:14:46.000 You know, I've been trying to think of like what I can do.

00:14:49.000 And I was thinking, like, maybe we can start a port-a-potty company and call them Shelly Crapados or maybe, like, Shelly Capito Boxes.

00:14:58.000 And I wonder if there's, like, a legal issue of me doing that.

00:15:01.000 I tweeted, like, can I open a restaurant in Charleston, West Virginia, which is the biggest city?

00:15:06.000 It's only 50,000 people. 0.92

00:15:07.000 And then name the restaurant Shelly Moore Capito is Trash. 1.00

00:15:12.000 I'm wondering I'm gonna look into how much it'll cost to buy every billboard in that town and put it just putting up I'm not even talking political ads just character ads like you're you're a bad person. 0.99

00:15:22.000 You're scum, you know And just leave and just buying them indefinitely. 0.96

00:15:27.000 No, I'm like, it's good marketing because people are gonna be like, why are these ads here? 1.00

00:15:30.000 Oh, yeah, Tim pools really pissed off about this.

00:15:32.000 Make sure everybody knows how pissed off I am look I I am... I said that I'll put a sticky note on my monitor and I will say every... I'll put it this way.

00:15:43.000 You know, we have sponsors who pay good money for us to read out their ads and all that. 1.00

00:15:48.000 I wonder what the total monetary value of me ragging on her would be if every single night I said, never forget, she's a scumbag. 1.00

00:15:55.000 I think when you said earlier about organizing and getting people to rally, obviously you don't want people to go to people's houses and that's not the, but you can organize people to call at 2 p.m. 0.98

00:16:05.000 on a day.

00:16:06.000 You make a video in the morning and you tell people at 3 p.m.

00:16:09.000 you call this number, this office, and tell her that you want Whatever that you want her to reverse her position on this.

00:16:16.000 And when she gets 780 calls a day for five days in a row, she will change her position.

00:16:22.000 Yeah.

00:16:22.000 Why do you, why do you have to do that?

00:16:23.000 Why, why is her position this position? 0.93

00:16:26.000 Like where'd the pressure come from?

00:16:28.000 You know what I think it is?

00:16:29.000 She's not up for re-election until 2026.

00:16:31.000 She's probably going to retire. 1.00

00:16:32.000 I don't know.

00:16:33.000 She's going to be 60s or something, or I think she's in her 60s.

00:16:35.000 I think she's going to be in her 70s maybe.

00:16:37.000 And so she's probably like, what do I care?

00:16:41.000 I can burn the place down on my way out and get what I want.

00:16:44.000 And some people have pointed out that there was some, like, I don't want to get too much into it, but some exchanges were made.

00:16:49.000 Let's just put it that way.

00:16:50.000 Some say there was some monetary movement in some capacity that I'm not super familiar with.

00:16:53.000 So I'm not going to get into, but she probably cut a deal.

00:16:56.000 In my opinion, they came to her and said, Look, you're not up for re-election until 2026. 0.99

00:17:03.000 Your voters are dumb as box of rocks, so they're going to completely forget. 0.99

00:17:06.000 That's what they think of you. 1.00

00:17:08.000 By the time you're up for re-election, this will be a non-issue.

00:17:11.000 So give it to us now, we'll give you these things, and who cares anyway?

00:17:15.000 And then they probably all pop the champagne, start laughing and spitting on pictures of their constituents. 0.96

00:17:20.000 I despise these people.

00:17:22.000 If it's not obvious, I can't tell.

00:17:26.000 I think there is something to what you're saying about putting these people on blast regularly.

00:17:30.000 It's important for your audience to hear, especially members of your audience who live in the area, who actually is interested in representing their interests, and who will bend at the last moment.

00:17:39.000 It's very disappointing that there were any Republicans who were willing to sign on to this.

00:17:43.000 Unfortunately, some of them were, and I think we do have a duty to criticize them.

00:17:46.000 It's also about making contact.

00:17:48.000 You can criticize them in the background, but they're going to ignore it unless you actually call the office, because it's that time.

00:17:54.000 The time is more valuable than the money.

00:17:56.000 Didn't Chuck Schumer say it was okay to protest at the home of senators?

00:17:59.000 He did.

00:18:00.000 That's insane.

00:18:01.000 He did say that?

00:18:01.000 I believe so.

00:18:03.000 So it's okay?

00:18:03.000 No, Chuck Schumer's wrong if he said that.

00:18:06.000 Why?

00:18:06.000 Why is it wrong?

00:18:07.000 Well, he said it.

00:18:08.000 I mean, I think as far as I know, it's illegal.

00:18:10.000 No, it's not.

00:18:10.000 It's illegal to protest in front of the home of a judge or a member of a court, but that's not getting enforced either.

00:18:16.000 So maybe the only thing these people will answer to is an actual angry group of protesters being like, you know what?

00:18:23.000 I'll put it this way.

00:18:25.000 The left, they do these things.

00:18:27.000 It works for them.

00:18:28.000 Republicans keep dropping to their knees.

00:18:30.000 Maybe it's about time some younger, libertarian, moderate, conservative, whatever you want to call it, started saying, okay, we can play the game as well.

00:18:38.000 Yeah.

00:18:38.000 The United States is an angry group of protesters.

00:18:41.000 That was what we were when we started.

00:18:42.000 We still are.

00:18:43.000 The United States is a protest.

00:18:45.000 A wise man told me that one time.

00:18:46.000 It sounds a lot like mob rule though.

00:18:48.000 You know, you just get the mob with the pitchforks running the show and whoever has the bigger mob.

00:18:54.000 And there's the conundrum.

00:18:55.000 That's why we have representatives. 0.68

00:18:57.000 As the cultural right, which has expanded quite dramatically thanks to the left, now incorporates post-liberals along with moderates and conservatives.

00:19:05.000 As they continually just say, no, no, we don't do that here.

00:19:09.000 And the left is like, you got it, buddy.

00:19:10.000 We do.

00:19:11.000 Then Republicans keep just saying it's a simple equation.

00:19:15.000 I'll give it to you in terms of why Twitter likes censorship.

00:19:19.000 Twitter likes censorship for one reason, they have a lot of employees who are very much into censorship, but there's also the fact that... Do you think Dave Rubin is going to lead a group of classical liberals with pitchforks and bricks and Molotov cocktails at Twitter HQ to direct violence?

00:19:32.000 I agree!

00:19:33.000 We disagree with you!

00:19:34.000 We disagree!

00:19:35.000 Do you think Dave Rubin would ever lead a violent mob to that quarters of Twitter?

00:19:41.000 I don't know about that.

00:19:42.000 Probably not his style.

00:19:43.000 Yeah, he definitely wouldn't.

00:19:44.000 Do you think Antifa would?

00:19:46.000 Absolutely.

00:19:47.000 Of course they were.

00:19:47.000 That's their whole thing.

00:19:48.000 And so when you have a dude literally trying to kill a sitting Supreme Court justice, and people illegally protesting at the homes of justices, the politicians know exactly who they're afraid of. 0.88

00:19:59.000 They're terrified of the left, and the right wing is a bunch of spineless cowards that they can ignore, because the right's always just like, well, you know, hold on there a minute.

00:20:07.000 I remember back in like 2016, I was out in front of Trump Tower in New York, and there was a bunch of people protesting, and there was one dude leaning up against the wall.

00:20:18.000 We were talking, he asked some questions, because we were like journalists covering the event.

00:20:21.000 And I was like, you know, what do you think?

00:20:23.000 You support Trump?

00:20:23.000 He's like, oh yeah, definitely.

00:20:25.000 And then I was like, so why don't you start saying you support Trump?

00:20:27.000 No, no, no, I don't want anyone to know.

00:20:29.000 I was like, okay, dude, secret Trump voters, congratulations.

00:20:32.000 Yeah, but don't you see, like, with the school board meetings, the pushback from parents, the pushback on Disney, a lot of this stuff.

00:20:38.000 Like, don't you see the right getting a little fired up and throwing their weight around a little bit more?

00:20:43.000 The parents in Loudoun and a lot of these parents that are speaking up aren't conservatives, they're just regular people who are not doing it for political reasons.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, we were talking last night about how the right is really everybody that's not being crushed into this cult by the mass media.

00:20:56.000 And the way you framed it, like the parents rising up, the immediate assumption is that must be the right, that's how the media frames it.

00:21:03.000 And you go and talk to these people and they're like, I don't know anything about that.

00:21:06.000 Loudoun County is like a suburb of D.C.

00:21:09.000 You know, it's like a minute away from here.

00:21:11.000 This is like a mixed, very liberal area.

00:21:13.000 These people are getting angry.

00:21:14.000 So you take a look at, you know, I can put it this way.

00:21:19.000 Twitter, Facebook, YouTube purged all of the conservatives who are talking about standing up and protesting.

00:21:25.000 Laura Loomer chaining herself to Twitter HQ.

00:21:28.000 Oh, they ban her. 1.00

00:21:29.000 Alex Jones, they say, those metaphors don't fly.

00:21:32.000 Then you get protesters outright breaking the law and Jen Psaki encouraging them to do it.

00:21:36.000 And, you know, social media companies like, yeah, it's fine.

00:21:38.000 So what they don't have to worry about, they don't have to worry about conservatives, they have to worry about parents.

00:21:42.000 It's parents, because parents, it's not political, it's about their kids.

00:21:45.000 They turned parents into a voting bloc.

00:21:46.000 Exactly.

00:21:47.000 Which is crazy.

00:21:48.000 Unbelievable.

00:21:49.000 Yeah.

00:21:49.000 Yeah, they don't understand.

00:21:50.000 It's so funny, they'll, you know, they'll talk about, like, how terrified they feel and how scared they are of the right.

00:21:58.000 It's like, alright, if you're scared of someone, you don't start screwing with their kids. 0.83

00:22:02.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:22:02.000 It's so obviously phony. 0.98

00:22:04.000 What can we do?

00:22:06.000 You know, I was, so I've been doing, we got a billboard in Times Square, which was like, it was meant to be like a big statement, like we've arrived, like we are now in the space.

00:22:14.000 And that now a whole bunch of other organizations, like, you know, the Daily Wire had Times Square billboard for us.

00:22:19.000 We worked together on one.

00:22:20.000 Parler bought the same digital space that we did.

00:22:24.000 And I'm also looking at like, what's the best way?

00:22:26.000 We've never spent any money on marketing.

00:22:28.000 And so one of the things we came up with was direct marketing is a bad idea.

00:22:32.000 What's a good idea is culture jamming as marketing.

00:22:35.000 So what we did in Times Square was partly that.

00:22:37.000 Some of the best marketing was just calling out Taylor Lorenz for being a liar.

00:22:41.000 That worked really well for us.

00:22:43.000 And The Daily Wire.

00:22:44.000 And so I'm wondering like, can I just, how much would it cost to buy every billboard in town of 50,000?

00:22:50.000 I'd imagine it'd be like 20 grand.

00:22:51.000 You know, for a month.

00:22:53.000 Because it's a small, very small city.

00:22:55.000 So okay, what if we just We just do that.

00:22:59.000 We just start crowdfunding.

00:23:00.000 We start just taking major cultural actions to make bold statements and just dominate the conversation.

00:23:08.000 Set the news cycle.

00:23:09.000 Yeah, let's do it.

00:23:10.000 And it also enhances local economies.

00:23:13.000 That's a good idea.

00:23:14.000 Do people pay a lot of attention to billboards?

00:23:16.000 When every billboard in your town is the same one ragging on your local politician, I think people will notice.

00:23:22.000 Tim is going to put a billboard outside of a Supreme Court Justice's house.

00:23:25.000 He's going to put a billboard on a billboard.

00:23:28.000 It's going to be hot.

00:23:30.000 So during the lockdowns, I went to a sushi restaurant and nobody was wearing masks.

00:23:37.000 We walk in the front door and we're standing next to the like the host podium or whatever and they're like put a mask on and then I was like I was like nobody's wearing masks and they're like but you have to wear a mask and I was like now hold on there a minute like nobody in the restaurant is wearing a mask and they're like they're eating and I was like we're planning on eating too and they're like no you have to wear a mask now And then I was like, if I sit down in that table five feet from me, can I not wear the mask?

00:24:01.000 And they were like, yes, but put the mask on now.

00:24:04.000 And then I was like, are you serious?

00:24:06.000 And then all of the employees go, yes!

00:24:07.000 And I'm like, dude, I am done with this.

00:24:09.000 And I was like, you know what I could do?

00:24:11.000 I could hire someone to fly a sign in front of their restaurant.

00:24:15.000 Or like offer coupons to a rival sushi restaurant across the street or something.

00:24:19.000 Why not?

00:24:20.000 Why not actually do culture jamming to make a statement against those who don't believe in freedom, who are too cowardly, or these politicians? 0.98

00:24:28.000 How about I hire 50 people to fly signs all throughout Charleston, West Virginia, that just are dancing with signs saying that Shelley Capito is trash. 1.00

00:24:38.000 Just that. 0.98

00:24:39.000 Make sure everybody knows there's disdain for this person.

00:24:42.000 There's value to dogging on your opponent.

00:24:44.000 There's also value to enhancing the people you believe in.

00:24:48.000 So I think both are effective.

00:24:49.000 You know, the funny thing is someone tweeted at me that as an individual, you can spend as much money as you want on any kind of political statement and that there are some limits, but if you're doing it as educational, in fact, it could be even tax deductible or something.

00:25:01.000 And I'm like, I don't know about all that.

00:25:02.000 Like, I'll just talk to my lawyer and be like, what am I allowed to do in terms of ragging on rhinos?

00:25:07.000 Because I think it would be excellent marketing for Timcast and the podcast to make like an ad that's like, come watch our podcast. 1.00

00:25:14.000 And this politician is a piece of garbage. 0.99

00:25:17.000 I think it'd be great advertising. 1.00

00:25:18.000 You know, but that is political.

00:25:20.000 So certain billboards won't run it because it's political. 0.98

00:25:24.000 Maybe if I just say the person's name is garbage, then it's a free speech thing. 0.99

00:25:28.000 Like, we were able to say Taylor Lorenz is a liar. 0.99

00:25:31.000 Technically, that was true, I think.

00:25:32.000 We said Taylor Lorenz doxed libs of TikTok.

00:25:34.000 That's what it was.

00:25:35.000 And the Times Square billboard was like, that's fine.

00:25:40.000 As long as we weren't advertising a product, we were just making a statement.

00:25:43.000 Part of it is, I think, a good thing for you personally to do is to stay cool, stay calm, and organized.

00:25:50.000 It's a vague, like, like, where's the, where's the call to action in it?

00:25:54.000 And it might not be for you.

00:25:56.000 That might be for, I'm speaking to myself, cause you're very good with fire and, uh, you know, aggression and stuff like that.

00:26:03.000 Um, but I think it's the long game.

00:26:05.000 It's going to be a 50 year, a hundred year, they need you calm and able to see the big picture.

00:26:10.000 I'm just, you know what I'm really bored with?

00:26:13.000 It's like everything's just so routine and the same thing.

00:26:17.000 Exactly.

00:26:18.000 The left comes out and there's a double standard.

00:26:20.000 Imagine if we did this.

00:26:21.000 And then exactly the same thing over and over again.

00:26:23.000 And I'm like, won't someone please throw a figurative pie?

00:26:26.000 The name calling falls into that though.

00:26:30.000 It's boring.

00:26:30.000 It's repetitive.

00:26:31.000 You know, everyone's a racist. 0.99

00:26:32.000 Everyone's a bigot. 0.96

00:26:32.000 Everyone who disagrees with you is disinformation, you know? 0.96

00:26:36.000 Yeah.

00:26:37.000 Hate speech, hate speech.

00:26:39.000 It's just so repetitive.

00:26:41.000 It's monotonous.

00:26:42.000 It loses its effectiveness when it's applied to everybody that you disagree with.

00:26:47.000 Let's put a funhouse mirror in front of these people's faces. 1.00

00:26:50.000 I saw a while ago, and this is something we all see frequently, but someone posted an article on Twitter about the racist origins of blank.

00:26:59.000 And they said, look, this is really interesting article.

00:27:01.000 It's like, how could any article calling something racist be interesting at this point?

00:27:05.000 How could you possibly read that and be like, wow, what an original thought.

00:27:08.000 You've called something you didn't like racist.

00:27:10.000 Seth.

00:27:10.000 Does that still get clicks?

00:27:11.000 Yeah.

00:27:12.000 Good question.

00:27:13.000 Give me a random noun.

00:27:15.000 A person, place, or thing.

00:27:17.000 Random noun.

00:27:17.000 Random.

00:27:18.000 House.

00:27:19.000 Make it a good, oh, that one's too obvious.

00:27:21.000 Get a little bit more obscure.

00:27:22.000 Dog.

00:27:23.000 That was my first dog.

00:27:25.000 Okay, I'm going to put it this way.

00:27:26.000 I'm going to search for a noun that's racist.

00:27:28.000 Okay, fine. 0.98

00:27:28.000 Dog is racist. 0.98

00:27:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:33.000 Why is my dog racist?

00:27:35.000 Can dogs be racist?

00:27:36.000 Can dogs be racist?

00:27:37.000 What to do if your dog seems racist?

00:27:38.000 Can dogs be racist?

00:27:39.000 What?

00:27:40.000 I think their dog is racist. 0.97

00:27:41.000 My dog is racist. 1.00

00:27:42.000 Look up dogs are racist. 0.65

00:27:43.000 I'm sure you'll see some article about gentrification.

00:27:47.000 I remember the article, dude.

00:27:48.000 I remember the article.

00:27:51.000 It's the same thing.

00:27:52.000 Ask Amy. 0.92

00:27:52.000 I think their dog is racist. 0.92

00:27:53.000 Dude, I looked up amygdala.

00:27:55.000 The effects of skin tone on race-related amygdala activity.

00:27:58.000 Wow.

00:27:59.000 I mean, maybe it's like that's... Houses are racist.

00:28:02.000 Genetic realism or something.

00:28:02.000 Well, this one's easy.

00:28:04.000 Of course they are.

00:28:05.000 Yeah.

00:28:06.000 Yep.

00:28:06.000 I mean, that one's obvious.

00:28:07.000 Give me a good noun, Seamus.

00:28:09.000 Computer.

00:28:09.000 Oh, come on.

00:28:10.000 That one's too obvious.

00:28:11.000 No, no.

00:28:11.000 It's not that obvious.

00:28:12.000 Computers are racist. 0.89

00:28:14.000 Sour Patch Kids? 0.99

00:28:15.000 When computers are racist, rise of the racist robots. 0.98

00:28:18.000 Master and slave. 0.63

00:28:18.000 The fight over offensive terms. 0.63

00:28:20.000 Can computers be racist?

00:28:21.000 Come on.

00:28:21.000 These are green news guards certified.

00:28:24.000 Artificial intelligence is racist.

00:28:25.000 Even AI is racist. 0.91

00:28:26.000 Computer programs are racist.

00:28:27.000 What about mugs?

00:28:27.000 And sexist.

00:28:28.000 Mugs.

00:28:29.000 Mugs.

00:28:29.000 Let's try mugs.

00:28:29.000 Mugs are racist.

00:28:30.000 Yeah.

00:28:30.000 Eyeglasses.

00:28:31.000 Mugs are racist.

00:28:34.000 Mugs. 0.99

00:28:35.000 Racist. 0.97

00:28:35.000 Oh, now it's selling me stuff. 0.97

00:28:36.000 There you go.

00:28:39.000 Capitalism wins again.

00:28:40.000 Amazon racist coffee mug.

00:28:41.000 So the thing is, we did learn that there are indeed racist mugs. 0.60

00:28:44.000 Turns out you can buy one.

00:28:46.000 Racist mugs at Zazzle.

00:28:47.000 No, like this one's all selling me.

00:28:48.000 Can Starbucks fix racism with a message on the top?

00:28:51.000 Racism 101.

00:28:52.000 Mugs, cocktails, and statues.

00:28:53.000 Bro, I'm telling you, you can get... This one's funny because the entire search is like... They're trying to sell you racist mugs.

00:28:58.000 But there was one article... I guess there's a market for it.

00:29:00.000 There's one article talking about mugs, cocktails, and statues.

00:29:02.000 Racism 101.

00:29:03.000 Okay, I got a good noun for you.

00:29:04.000 Racism.

00:29:06.000 Racism is racist?

00:29:07.000 Let's find out.

00:29:08.000 Probably not.

00:29:09.000 Won't be able to find it anywhere.

00:29:10.000 I mean, I was told love is love, so racism might be racist.

00:29:14.000 Is that really a thing, though?

00:29:15.000 Racism?

00:29:15.000 I don't know.

00:29:16.000 I mean, the problem there is that I don't think Google search can accurately understand what that means.

00:29:20.000 Gotcha, Google.

00:29:21.000 Can't deal with tautologies.

00:29:23.000 Flags are racist.

00:29:24.000 Flags are racist.

00:29:28.000 Uh, Confederate battle flag.

00:29:30.000 How Americans feel about the U.S.

00:29:31.000 flag.

00:29:31.000 Why is the Confederate flag racist?

00:29:33.000 Oh, of course.

00:29:34.000 Let's do this.

00:29:34.000 Let's do minus Confederate.

00:29:37.000 Minus Confederate.

00:29:39.000 Did I spell that wrong?

00:29:40.000 He's using Google.

00:29:44.000 American flag flyers are racist.

00:29:47.000 Yeah, remember the flags on trucks?

00:29:48.000 Journalists are freaking out.

00:29:50.000 It's all racist. 0.54

00:29:51.000 Mowing your lawn is racist.

00:29:53.000 I saw an article about that.

00:29:54.000 Mowing your lawn is racist.

00:29:56.000 If you do any landscaping at all, it's privileged.

00:29:58.000 It's super racist.

00:29:59.000 It's better to have tall grass.

00:30:01.000 Manicured lawns are racist.

00:30:03.000 I'm trying to find out if ninjas are racist.

00:30:07.000 That was Gadsad though.

00:30:08.000 He could be joking.

00:30:09.000 He's definitely joking.

00:30:10.000 But I'm not sure if he's actually referencing anything in that joke.

00:30:13.000 I think Ryan Long did this bit where he was like, you know, how to write an article and

00:30:18.000 then he was like just what was it he was like pulling nouns and adjectives out of a hat.

00:30:22.000 Why blank is blank. And then he showed all the articles that actually existed.

00:30:27.000 That was just absolutely insane. The dogs being racist one is actually was a big deal

00:30:32.000 because a bunch of people were pointing out that they were saying dogs are a sign of gentrification

00:30:37.000 and dogs themselves are racist because they like bark at, you know, minorities or something like

00:30:42.000 So in a weird way, this is obviously a sign of cultural decay, but there's also something here about the bubble that's existed within the new media landscape.

00:30:53.000 So you've talked about this before, but basically you had a lot of venture capitalists investing in blog-type websites and news sites.

00:31:00.000 So these companies were way overvalued.

00:31:02.000 They hired a bunch of people to write articles.

00:31:04.000 There's only so many things you can write articles about.

00:31:06.000 So eventually you just got a bunch of stuff about racism and the market became oversaturated with stuff that no one was really reading.

00:31:11.000 Let me talk to you guys about this.

00:31:12.000 We briefly mentioned it a couple days ago.

00:31:15.000 The dead internet theory.

00:31:16.000 Do you guys know about this?

00:31:18.000 Yeah, from the other day.

00:31:18.000 I remember this.

00:31:19.000 The dead internet theory is that in 2016 and 17, that's when major corporations, government figures, took over most social elements of the internet and replaced humans with bots.

00:31:34.000 Or that the bots dramatically outweigh the production of content than humans do.

00:31:38.000 So the internet is actually a zombie.

00:31:41.000 You think you're interacting with other people just like you, but you're really just interacting with bots.

00:31:46.000 And it's a decent theory.

00:31:48.000 I mean, the idea is simple.

00:31:50.000 Donald Trump was memed into the presidency.

00:31:53.000 Regular people went online and said, here's what we want, and Trump wins.

00:31:55.000 And they went, uh-oh, that's bad.

00:31:58.000 Then you get a bunch of companies that start running sock puppet accounts and bot accounts, trying to make money or manipulate.

00:32:03.000 And it's not a conspiracy, even though they call it a conspiracy theory.

00:32:07.000 It's like the natural tendency of what corporations would do to try and gain influence and sell products.

00:32:12.000 But I got one more for you.

00:32:13.000 This one's for you guys, Seamus and Seth.

00:32:16.000 I think this is bot person theory.

00:32:19.000 The actual conspiracy theory, in my opinion, is that 2016-2017 is the point at which the internet

00:32:27.000 crossed the threshold of being the most dominant media network for human beings.

00:32:34.000 Newspapers, television, telephone were now underneath the internet. 1.00

00:32:39.000 And with all people being online, we're now realizing that most people are as dumb as a box of rocks. 0.98

00:32:45.000 Effectively non-player characters. 0.99

00:32:47.000 So to somebody who's used to having a real conversation, to being politically discerning or introspective.

00:32:57.000 They're seeing a whole bunch of people post the same thing, repeat themselves, regurgitate.

00:33:03.000 And this is how the theory started.

00:33:05.000 The person basically said, I've seen the same post over and over again.

00:33:08.000 I've seen the same comments repeated ad nauseum.

00:33:10.000 And I'm just like, You want to believe they're robots, but it could just be that most people are just sheep and are just vomiting up the same thing they heard.

00:33:19.000 And the reality is it's people.

00:33:22.000 That's the creepy thing.

00:33:23.000 I think it's a better explanation.

00:33:24.000 It's if, if I'm there and I'm real and you're there and you're real and you're there and you're real, we're all there.

00:33:30.000 We're real.

00:33:32.000 There's a lot of real people there.

00:33:33.000 It's not all bots.

00:33:34.000 There's obviously a lot of people involved in this thing.

00:33:35.000 It's not all dead.

00:33:37.000 And people do just parrot these lines.

00:33:40.000 And it's mindless, you know?

00:33:41.000 They just say whatever they're supposed to say, or what they've heard.

00:33:45.000 They regurgitate what they've heard.

00:33:46.000 And I see it all the time, and it seems like bot behavior, but it's really just people.

00:33:50.000 We have become bots.

00:33:51.000 We're basically just machines, just regurgitating stuff.

00:33:54.000 And you've got to be careful not to fall into that trap yourself when you're engaging with them.

00:33:58.000 Because then you just start saying what you're supposed to say in response to that, and you're engaging in your own, you know, like...

00:34:04.000 That's why I post nonsense on Twitter.

00:34:06.000 That's why I said, you know, figuratively throw a pie.

00:34:08.000 Like, do something weird. 0.97

00:34:09.000 I posted an AI Trump is a chicken. 0.98

00:34:11.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:34:11.000 I was, you know, I've always, I thought this my whole life. 0.93

00:34:14.000 I was just like, how come no one ever does anything unpredictable?

00:34:17.000 Like, it's not really true.

00:34:18.000 That's never, but 80% of the time, it's completely predictable.

00:34:21.000 20% of the time, you're going to be surprised by what someone does.

00:34:24.000 And I was just like, for the most part, everybody's walking around doing exactly what you'd expect them to do.

00:34:29.000 Not a single person decides to do anything weird.

00:34:31.000 Some people do.

00:34:32.000 They're all just thinking really weird things.

00:34:35.000 When I started making internet videos, I was like, what would Jesus Christ do with this modern technology?

00:34:39.000 He'd make internet videos and try and spread the God.

00:34:41.000 So I was like, I'll do it.

00:34:43.000 And so I did it.

00:34:44.000 And that was weird.

00:34:45.000 And it's not me.

00:34:46.000 That's not weird.

00:34:46.000 That's completely routine and boring.

00:34:48.000 Of course, everyone's doing it.

00:34:49.000 Right.

00:34:50.000 It's the natural order is to live like Jesus.

00:34:51.000 What I'm saying is like, how come no one's buying porta-potties and labeling them Shelley Moore Capito?

00:34:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:57.000 You've got all these powerful, wealthy people who are complaining but doing nothing.

00:35:01.000 Or doing very little.

00:35:03.000 I think the power of making an internet video is misunderstood.

00:35:07.000 The power you have, the resonation of your vibration through voice and light is so powerful.

00:35:14.000 Dude, if I made 50 million bucks a year or something like that, I would just go to these companies and be like, how much will it cost to buy like 10 Times Square billboards and just put up the same thing just doing something weird like ragging on Shelley Moore Capital?

00:35:28.000 Well, so I will answer with a Jordan Peterson quote, right?

00:35:31.000 It's like it's not many people are creative and it's not obvious why you would want to be because like creative people are miserable when they're not doing creative things and he sort of had this very insightful interesting explanation there but Yeah, it's basically that.

00:35:45.000 I mean, most people are not creative in the way that we usually define the term, and so they're not interested in doing those kinds of things.

00:35:55.000 I think when somebody is more creative and they do have means, they're often afraid to do anything interesting with it.

00:36:01.000 Man, that's lame!

00:36:01.000 Just because— Sure, but I think it's the way things are.

00:36:05.000 Because they're afraid of being told that they suck. 0.99

00:36:06.000 Elon's buying Twitter. 0.99

00:36:07.000 Elon is a very unique example, right?

00:36:10.000 And we sort of, we talked about this with Jeremy Boring, right?

00:36:13.000 Just sort of comparing Elon to Bezos.

00:36:16.000 And he described Bezos as the most boring, interesting person or most interesting, boring person, something like that.

00:36:21.000 It's like he builds a rocket, but it's not cool.

00:36:24.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:36:25.000 So I think you see a lot of that. 0.94

00:36:28.000 Do you think that people with means that are creative, they're afraid of being told that they suck?

00:36:31.000 Well, no, so I think that's part of it.

00:36:33.000 I think that everyone has an excuse not to do the interesting thing they want to do.

00:36:37.000 So when you don't have a lot of money, it's, I could never do this because I couldn't afford to.

00:36:41.000 Then when you do have money, well, I could never do this because I could never afford to damage my reputation or risk my wealth.

00:36:46.000 I guess people are scared of their reputations or something.

00:36:52.000 People always have been.

00:36:52.000 I think we put more emphasis on it today, and I think we've been trained to.

00:36:56.000 We've become very narcissistic, but it's huge for people.

00:36:58.000 Isn't there a point where you just have so much money, they say it's FU money, but it's not.

00:37:02.000 I mean, let's be real.

00:37:05.000 Can we name I guess Elon Musk is buying Twitter, which is cool.

00:37:09.000 It's not particularly outrageous.

00:37:11.000 It did anger many people on the left, but it's actually a relatively... It's a big bold move, but it's not throwing a pie.

00:37:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:22.000 You don't think so?

00:37:23.000 No, no, no.

00:37:23.000 Throwing a pie would be like buying a Super Bowl commercial or buying a billboard of Ian in Hollywood just saying, I remember you and just like culture jamming.

00:37:33.000 Well, I just, from my perspective, I never expected, you know, I was trying to think to myself, what would be a possible solution to this issue of viewpoint discrimination happening on these platforms?

00:37:42.000 You know, like, there's either going to be some kind of a law that's passed, possibly, you know, Congress could get involved and draft legislation or the courts could do something.

00:37:51.000 I never in a million years thought, oh, well, maybe the richest man in the world is going to come along.

00:37:56.000 Describe himself as a free speech absolutist and buy the platform and fix the problem.

00:38:02.000 It was a curveball.

00:38:04.000 It was unexpected.

00:38:05.000 So if you go back to the point that you were making about no one ever does anything unexpected, who expects that someone's going to come in and offer more than the company's worth just to make a point about how this needs to be free speech?

00:38:14.000 I would say it's on the line.

00:38:17.000 You know, a rich guy buying something expensive is like, okay, it is surprising that someone made a move like that.

00:38:24.000 But it's not like, if Elon came out and said he was going to put $100 million into making a rival news organization, that would be like, whoa.

00:38:32.000 But I will say, Elon definitely fits the bill, definitely.

00:38:35.000 Because he tweets things at AOC like, stop making me blush, absolutely amazing.

00:38:41.000 So he's definitely doing it.

00:38:43.000 Yeah, he trolls people very effectively.

00:38:44.000 Very nice.

00:38:45.000 I think it's also a definitional problem, right?

00:38:47.000 Because if you're asking why aren't people usually doing things that are unpredictable, if they were, it would be predictable.

00:38:51.000 I mean, by definition, for something to be unpredictable, it has to happen infrequently.

00:38:56.000 I'm just saying, there are a lot of very wealthy people.

00:39:01.000 That are, and many of them are somewhat directly or tangentially involved in like culture war issues.

00:39:07.000 And like, how come nobody just does bold, weird things?

00:39:10.000 Save Elon, right?

00:39:11.000 Because, you know, he tweet, tweeting, him tweeting at AOC was hilarious.

00:39:14.000 Buying Twitter is massive.

00:39:16.000 It's like, I'm just, I've talked about this many times.

00:39:19.000 There's very few people who just do the weird things.

00:39:22.000 Donald Trump did with the, uh, the apprentice.

00:39:25.000 That was so weird.

00:39:26.000 And then he did the president thing.

00:39:28.000 Yeah.

00:39:28.000 But then he ran for president and he always kind of, that one was weird.

00:39:32.000 We can acknowledge, we can acknowledge, like we've said this a number of times, if you told someone 10 years ago that Trump was going to be president and the deep state was going to try to unseat him, everything that's happened, we would go, I don't believe that.

00:39:42.000 Seriously?

00:39:43.000 Just pause for a second.

00:39:44.000 Imagine it's 2012 and you're like sitting with your buddy and like you're in the living room and you're, and you're, he's like, you're like, I've come back from the future 10 years.

00:39:51.000 And he's like, wow, what happened?

00:39:52.000 You're like, okay, well.

00:39:54.000 Donald Trump ran for president against Hillary Clinton and won.

00:39:57.000 And then a bunch of special interests accused him of secretly working with Russia.

00:40:02.000 And even MSNBC had a guest on entertaining that he may have been a Soviet agent going back to the 80s.

00:40:07.000 He ultimately won.

00:40:09.000 Then Joe Biden gets elected.

00:40:10.000 Donald Trump supporters think the election was stolen.

00:40:13.000 So several hundred stormed the Capitol building during the electoral vote counting process.

00:40:18.000 Texas files a lawsuit against Pennsylvania.

00:40:19.000 And half the country and other half the country are now involved in whether or not the election was legitimate.

00:40:23.000 They're gonna be like, what?

00:40:26.000 That's never gonna happen.

00:40:27.000 I'd be like, so was Obama's birth certificate real or fake?

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:31.000 Did we get to the bottom of that?

00:40:33.000 Yeah, did we ever get to the bottom of that?

00:40:35.000 Did we ever figure that out?

00:40:37.000 How does law stand?

00:40:37.000 No, I get that was probably after 2020, before 2012.

00:40:40.000 Let me try and phrase what I mean.

00:40:42.000 It's like, because obviously Elon Musk is doing funny things, but like, he's not doing funny things like buying a hundred porta-potties and putting the name of a senator on it and distributing them around fairgrounds.

00:40:53.000 I think you should just do it.

00:40:54.000 You're fixated on that.

00:40:55.000 You really want to do it.

00:40:58.000 It's a really good example.

00:40:59.000 No, no, it's $800 per porta potty.

00:41:02.000 So, you know, so we spend $80,000 on a hundred porta potties and then just be like, they're free.

00:41:10.000 You know, like, Oh, what's that?

00:41:11.000 You're doing a call up construction companies and be like, well, just give it to you.

00:41:14.000 Just use it.

00:41:14.000 And they're called Shelly boxes.

00:41:16.000 I think another thing that happens, and this is really insidious and it's not accounted for often, but there's an entire set of behaviors that we are told are weird and quirky and interesting, but which are really boring and predictable.

00:41:30.000 So a lot of folks feel like they're doing something unique or new when they're just sort of going along with the program.

00:41:37.000 So, there are a lot of examples of this.

00:41:40.000 We see this with the activism a lot of these companies engage in, where they'll make their corporate logo a gay pride flag or something.

00:41:47.000 Okay, well that's the most predictable thing you can do, but you think it's edgy and brave and interesting.

00:41:52.000 Or at least for a time they did.

00:41:53.000 At this point, they're probably willing to acknowledge that this is just a thing you're expected to do.

00:41:57.000 And don't forget, July is MAGA month, so everyone's gotta change their logos to American flags.

00:42:03.000 And I'm doing it.

00:42:05.000 I'm gonna get graphics made.

00:42:06.000 My Twitter profile will be my face with the American flag behind it.

00:42:09.000 I like that, yeah.

00:42:10.000 I'm sure we've all encountered this where somebody gives you the most banal, predictable, advertiser-friendly perspective as if it's something new and original.

00:42:20.000 All the time.

00:42:20.000 I mean, it's constant.

00:42:21.000 It's like, whenever someone's like, you know what, like, I don't like Christianity or like, well, I, and it's like, okay, I, it's like, I understand that, but can you acknowledge that that's a very safe position? 0.98

00:42:32.000 But people don't do that anymore.

00:42:33.000 Like their view has to be unique and interesting, even when it's plainly banal.

00:42:38.000 I wonder if it's just, you know, in my perspective, most people, they play music because they looked up to someone and they want to emulate somebody else.

00:42:48.000 Most people just want to emulate someone else.

00:42:50.000 So they want to fit in, they want to stay in line.

00:42:52.000 I wonder how many people genuinely don't care about fitting in, and I wonder if that's technically like a mental illness.

00:42:57.000 No, I mean it.

00:42:58.000 Because humans are social beings.

00:43:00.000 You want to fit in to survive, so it takes a very rare individual to be like, literally don't care if I fit in or not.

00:43:05.000 Like, what would I do?

00:43:08.000 If, you know, we were like nomadic tribesmen, you know, thousands of years ago, and I was being arrogant, like, I don't want to do what you say, screw you, they'd be like, get out.

00:43:14.000 And I'd be like, well, I'm going to go die, I guess, in the middle of the woods.

00:43:18.000 So it's like, I talk about making these Shelly boxes, but would people really be like, would they be like, that's great?

00:43:23.000 Or they'd be like, you're really disrupting what we're trying to do here.

00:43:26.000 You're like, I made outhouse, put poster on it.

00:43:28.000 They'd be like, leave now.

00:43:30.000 Rug!

00:43:30.000 Rug on toilet!

00:43:31.000 They're like, this is one of the people leading our tribe, leave now.

00:43:35.000 Or is the reality that the outliers and the weirdos end up being the leaders?

00:43:40.000 Sometimes.

00:43:40.000 Sometimes they're snuffed out and you never hear about them.

00:43:42.000 I think what ends up happening is a sociopath, like the narcissists and the egotists end up becoming the leaders.

00:43:48.000 People who are like, I should be in charge.

00:43:50.000 And then once they're in charge, like I can lie, cheat and steal and do whatever I want because I'm better than you.

00:43:53.000 I think Ben Franklin was a nut job, but he was so organized that he was able to create a periodical, you know, the Poor Richard's Almanac and distribute propaganda for 30 years to brainwash people into thinking that freedom was the way and that they should revolt against the king.

00:44:06.000 So he worked out.

00:44:08.000 Do what Ben Franklin did.

00:44:09.000 Fly a kite in a storm with a key on it.

00:44:11.000 Yeah.

00:44:12.000 Absorb electricity.

00:44:13.000 Time to do that, too.

00:44:14.000 Get weird.

00:44:15.000 I'm starting to buy into your he was crazy theory.

00:44:17.000 I like that.

00:44:18.000 Yeah, it's a good point.

00:44:19.000 Ben Franklin.

00:44:20.000 He's a polymath, they call them.

00:44:22.000 Talking about weird stuff, though, let's talk about what you guys do at the Babylon Bee.

00:44:25.000 Oh, thanks.

00:44:27.000 Good transition.

00:44:28.000 Good transition.

00:44:29.000 No, but I mean, like, you're, you're, you are figuratively throwing pies.

00:44:32.000 You're, you're calling out, you're, you're calling out hidden truth, as it were, through jokes.

00:44:37.000 A good example is when you guys had an article that said, in genius move, Donald Trump comes out in support of impeachment, forcing Democrats to oppose.

00:44:45.000 And that is a very clever way to comment on the fact that they just oppose whatever it is Trump or, you know, Trump supporters are doing.

00:44:53.000 Yeah, yeah, he said it, therefore it's bad.

00:44:55.000 Orange man bad. 0.78

00:44:56.000 Orange man bad. 0.78

00:44:58.000 Well, that goes back to how everybody's like a bot, you know?

00:45:00.000 That's bot behavior, to just have a predictable response to whatever, you know, there's something that you're supposed to be opposed to, so you just, you oppose it.

00:45:08.000 I don't know.

00:45:09.000 I mean, with the internet though, you know, Instagram and all these things, people are just trying to do what you're supposed to do on these platforms.

00:45:18.000 Everyone has the same family pictures.

00:45:20.000 They all do the same things.

00:45:21.000 But if you're trying to throw pies and be disruptive, then that's your thing.

00:45:25.000 You're trying to do it.

00:45:26.000 It has to be something that you're not deliberately trying to do.

00:45:28.000 It just has to be coming from you naturally.

00:45:30.000 It's because that's how you are as a person.

00:45:32.000 You're different.

00:45:33.000 Otherwise, you're both doing something for a purpose.

00:45:35.000 You're trying to get a certain kind of response.

00:45:37.000 People are either trying to fit in, or they're trying to be different, and get a response by being different.

00:45:42.000 That's true.

00:45:43.000 I don't take issue with someone being like, let's throw a pie, figuratively.

00:45:48.000 Because, you know, don't actually throw pies at people.

00:45:50.000 But, uh, like, when I'm on Twitter, I'll just randomly, I'll post some nonsense if I'm feeling like it.

00:45:54.000 Like, I posted, Jeremiah was a bullfrog the other day.

00:45:56.000 Because I just, I just, you know.

00:45:58.000 Yeah.

00:45:58.000 Yeah, I thought it was fun.

00:45:59.000 You need to be more responsible.

00:46:00.000 It was, it was a whim.

00:46:02.000 Literally, I was listening to Three Dog Night, and so, Joy to the World came on, and I just typed it in, hit enter, and I didn't think twice.

00:46:08.000 So catchy.

00:46:08.000 And I was like, alright.

00:46:09.000 So, you made a point about people being bots, and we've sort of talked about this a little bit.

00:46:13.000 There are obviously some issues where it makes sense to stand strong, have base principles, so when you're talking about something where you would say there is an axiomatic evil, or you're talking about, like, abortion, or some matter of, like, human sexuality, such as homosexuality, you're talking about theft, property, etc.

00:46:28.000 It makes sense that you would have set positions because of what your principles are.

00:46:32.000 But then when it comes to a question of whether a specific person is guilty, In a court case or a national story, that's not something you can just jump to one side or the other on.

00:46:41.000 That's something you have to see evidence for.

00:46:43.000 But we are at the point where any time there is a news story about a police officer shooting someone, a large subsection of the country has decided he's guilty and it was unjustified without any evidence at all.

00:46:55.000 Dude, conservatives are still defending Ahmaud Arbery.

00:47:00.000 Like, yeah, that one, that one, that one to me is like, we had lawyers on talking about that.

00:47:04.000 I think my point is there are a lot of stories that we see in the public eye where it's, it's just a question of a specific person, their behavior, whether they're guilty of the thing that they're accused of and people are hyperpolarized on it.

00:47:16.000 And I think this has happened because we're just used to being hyperpolarized, but it's different, right?

00:47:20.000 Because again, when it comes to the other issues, it's a matter of principle.

00:47:23.000 Whether a specific person is guilty or innocent, when I don't have evidence, is not something that my principles can determine.

00:47:29.000 It's something the evidence will determine once we get it.

00:47:31.000 But people take sides before they see or hear anything of substance about the case.

00:47:35.000 And the entirety of the left, including establishment Democrats, moderate liberals, default liberals, and leftists, will blindly march in lockstep, they'll get angry about it, they'll protest about it, and they'll scream in your face and try and take your job, and conservatives are lukewarm and will be like, okay, we'll agree with you on that one.

00:47:52.000 And the fun thing about satire is it gives you a way to point all of that out in a way that, like, makes the point, you know?

00:47:59.000 It makes it into a joke where you're seeing that and you're exposing it for what it is, the absurdity of it.

00:48:04.000 And subverting it.

00:48:05.000 Did you see the Fast Company wrote an article saying something like, beware the far-right comedy or whatever, or right-wing comedy, and they're like, from Joe Rogan to the Babylon Bee to, like, the Daily Wire.

00:48:16.000 And I just think it's funny that they still try and push these memes where they're like, the right can't make jokes or it's not funny.

00:48:23.000 But the weird thing is, it used to be the perception that conservatives weren't funny and the left was.

00:48:30.000 In the article they talk about how Fox tried doing some kind of Jon Stewart show back in the day that just didn't work and it failed.

00:48:35.000 But now, you've got Gutfeld, who on Fox News, he gets way, way better ratings than any of the primetime comedians on major networks.

00:48:44.000 You take a look at The Onion, bro.

00:48:46.000 I imagine, Seth, that you used to read The Onion.

00:48:48.000 Yeah, of course.

00:48:49.000 What happened to them?

00:48:51.000 So the problem, a lot of the reason why these late night comedians and The Onion and whatever are falling off is because they're not, what the comedian, the satirist, the humorist is supposed to be doing is poking holes in the popular narrative, not promoting it.

00:49:03.000 You know, all they do is push it.

00:49:05.000 All they do is push it.

00:49:06.000 And the big tech companies are, you know, trying to rig the systems that you're not allowed to poke holes in the popular narrative.

00:49:11.000 If you do that, then you're engaging in hate speech or you're spreading misinformation or whatever.

00:49:15.000 But this is what's killing comedy, in my opinion.

00:49:17.000 They say, oh, we're not funny.

00:49:18.000 Well, we have more engagement and traffic than The Onion at this point.

00:49:21.000 We're the most popular satire site in the world.

00:49:24.000 And they're sitting there saying, we're not funny.

00:49:26.000 Well, obviously, we're engaging people.

00:49:27.000 And the reason we're engaging people is because we're actually making fun of the powers that be and trying to hold that power accountable and poke holes in the popular narrative instead of promote it, which is what comedians are supposed to do.

00:49:38.000 I grew up with The Onion because I think they were based out of Milwaukee, I think.

00:49:41.000 And I remember when we would get the physical Onion paper when we were in Chicago.

00:49:46.000 Look at this one.

00:49:47.000 Excerpts from Ginny Thomas' emails attempting to overturn the 2020 election.

00:49:51.000 It's CNN.

00:49:51.000 Nah, it's too political.

00:49:53.000 Yeah, right, it's like a CNN article.

00:49:54.000 They were political in the early days.

00:49:55.000 Well, this is the thing.

00:49:56.000 They were, but in a way that was actually funny.

00:49:58.000 Here's one, here's one.

00:49:59.000 Well, you gotta go into the slideshow.

00:50:00.000 That's a slideshow.

00:50:01.000 Preacher not drenched in sweat must not be very connected to Holy Spirit.

00:50:05.000 There you go.

00:50:07.000 What's the joke?

00:50:08.000 Now, fine.

00:50:09.000 You know, whenever I point this out, there was one story that was literally, it was literally not a joke.

00:50:13.000 And then I was like, legit, what is the joke here? 0.99

00:50:16.000 And they were like, you're so dumb, you don't get the joke. 0.99

00:50:18.000 And I'm like, I guess so, dude, I don't care. 1.00

00:50:20.000 Like, you can laugh at me because I don't get it.

00:50:22.000 That's fine.

00:50:22.000 It means I don't read your outlet.

00:50:24.000 Right.

00:50:25.000 You know?

00:50:25.000 It would have been like, preacher is connected to Holy Spirit.

00:50:28.000 Why isn't he sweating?

00:50:30.000 They missed labeled.

00:50:32.000 I don't think that one's there.

00:50:33.000 It's not funny.

00:50:33.000 I'll put it this way.

00:50:34.000 I mean, the onion is not what it used to be.

00:50:37.000 They used to be very political and over the past couple of years, it's not jokes.

00:50:42.000 No.

00:50:42.000 Yeah.

00:50:42.000 But over the past couple of years, so probably about two or three years ago, I rediscovered the videos that they were producing.

00:50:48.000 I want to say between 2008 and 2011.

00:50:51.000 And they're so funny.

00:50:54.000 Their YouTube channel was incredible.

00:50:56.000 For just a couple years.

00:50:57.000 And part of it was because they actually had a TV show, and those clips on YouTube were excerpts from them.

00:51:02.000 Oh, really?

00:51:03.000 Yeah.

00:51:03.000 But they... Let's be real.

00:51:05.000 They used to be very funny, even when they got political, is my point.

00:51:08.000 They were still funny.

00:51:08.000 And even when they had a message I didn't agree with politically, I thought they were hysterical.

00:51:12.000 The Grabblers video.

00:51:14.000 That was great.

00:51:15.000 Do you know The Grabbler's video?

00:51:16.000 No, I don't know that one.

00:51:16.000 It's an onion video.

00:51:17.000 It's an onion video.

00:51:18.000 Oof, we cannot play it here.

00:51:20.000 Yeah, we definitely can't play it.

00:51:21.000 Spicy.

00:51:21.000 Even though it's on YouTube.

00:51:22.000 Really funny.

00:51:23.000 Where basically it's a mockery of a morning news show.

00:51:26.000 And they bring on this female author to help them visualize their stresses. 1.00

00:51:30.000 And she's like this little old woman like, everybody has problems with money. 0.99

00:51:33.000 I want you to imagine your money problem.

00:51:36.000 And then she basically goes on to describe Jewish people.

00:51:38.000 And then makes a bunch of really offensive jokes, but the point was, what was funny about it was that this little old lady was basically trying to sneak in, like, these anti-semitic tropes, and that was the joke. 1.00

00:51:50.000 That was the onion that did that.

00:51:52.000 They also had that autistic reporter bit.

00:51:54.000 Totally ableist!

00:51:55.000 You wouldn't be able to get away with that these days.

00:51:57.000 They had funny jokes.

00:51:58.000 Now, look, I pulled up this joke, and it's—okay, let me—here you go.

00:52:01.000 Here's their joke.

00:52:04.000 Hey, current Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, it's me, Ginny Thomas, wife of Clarence Thomas, urging you to illegally overturn the results of the 2020 election, as I am involved with a group of alt-right radicals who, if unhappy with the results, will storm the Capitol building in Washington, D.C.

00:52:17.000 on January 6, 2021.

00:52:19.000 I agree with their goals and methodologies full-heartedly, and again, I, Ginny Thomas, am unabashedly requesting that this illegal action should be taken.

00:52:26.000 Where's the joke?

00:52:28.000 This is something I would write if the joke was that this is what Democrats think a Republican is saying.

00:52:35.000 That would be the bit.

00:52:36.000 I pulled up there, 2001.

00:52:38.000 I got into Onion in 2001.

00:52:39.000 Boyfriend ceremoniously dumped.

00:52:41.000 I mean, these were the articles and they would show a picture of a person's face and they would reuse that same.

00:52:46.000 So you would imagine this is the writer.

00:52:48.000 It was like a fake person or just some random stock photo they got.

00:52:51.000 So imagining who was saying it helps.

00:52:54.000 The comedy, I thought, in the early days.

00:52:57.000 You know what I think?

00:52:57.000 Like, it's clapped-er, right?

00:53:00.000 You guys know what clapped-er is? 0.76

00:53:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:03.000 You just agree there's like a vague, you know, set up punchline formula, but people are clapping because they like your point. 1.00

00:53:07.000 It's when Colbert comes out and he's like, Donald Trump's dumb! 0.99

00:53:10.000 And they'll go, ha ha ha! 1.00

00:53:11.000 And start clapping.

00:53:12.000 It's like, he didn't say anything.

00:53:12.000 It's not amusement you're going for, it's applause you're going for.

00:53:15.000 Yeah.

00:53:16.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that, and there's a lot of just avoiding hurting people's feelings by being offensive now.

00:53:20.000 You know, the woke mind virus, as Elon Musk calls it, has infected all of these comedians on the left, you know, and so they're all, the jokes that they would have made years ago that are funny, they're capable of making those jokes, but they're not willing to make them now, because they cross a line, an imaginary line that they made up.

00:53:36.000 There was a really good one they did a couple years ago.

00:53:39.000 The Onion.

00:53:40.000 It was like 10 years ago.

00:53:40.000 It was Patriotic Teen Fails Spanish.

00:53:43.000 And it was just a video where they're like interviewing this kid as a brave patriot for failing Spanish test.

00:53:48.000 And obviously the point of that joke was to poke fun at the right.

00:53:51.000 But I still, I thought it was hilarious when I saw it.

00:53:53.000 And it's a funny video.

00:53:55.000 Now it's not, it's not just that they have a left-wing bias.

00:53:58.000 It's that today having a left-wing bias means you have to explicitly oppose anything that's even remotely funny.

00:54:04.000 Here's one.

00:54:05.000 Farmer caught Googling, what is corn?

00:54:07.000 It's like, okay.

00:54:10.000 It's a different company with the same name.

00:54:12.000 I don't know.

00:54:13.000 It's a problem, man.

00:54:14.000 Companies sell to another owner and then they keep the same name.

00:54:16.000 That's scandalous.

00:54:17.000 Also, I'd be curious to know, because there are clearly some duds here. 1.00

00:54:20.000 We're obviously remembering the ones that were really funny.

00:54:23.000 I used to cry laughing.

00:54:24.000 That's why they stick out to us.

00:54:25.000 Yeah.

00:54:26.000 So I'm wondering also if there's just a selection bias here because none of these are going to stand the test of time and there were probably some boring.

00:54:32.000 Yeah, but there were a couple funny ones we saw when we were younger that we really remember.

00:54:37.000 I think that stuff that used to be funny is no longer funny too.

00:54:39.000 Cause we get used to it.

00:54:41.000 And like, you gotta, you gotta one up it, you know, you gotta take it to the next level or, or go home.

00:54:45.000 There was one they did too.

00:54:46.000 It was like a new humane, um, Tim, what we were just watching, like new humane death penalty, uh, contraption, like rips person's head off.

00:54:55.000 They actually did a CGI machine that clamps the person down and then a giant robotic claw grabs their head and spins it and rips it off their body.

00:55:03.000 And then it raises it up and a hammer just starts bashing it for no reason.

00:55:07.000 That was funny!

00:55:07.000 It was funny.

00:55:08.000 That was like 10 years ago.

00:55:09.000 Even stuff like, now there's obviously, even with that, you could argue there's vague political undertones.

00:55:13.000 You know, they're making a statement about the death penalty and how barbaric they believe it is, but it's funny.

00:55:18.000 It's funny.

00:55:18.000 You can make a political point and still be funny, but they don't.

00:55:21.000 It was funny because after it already killed the person, a hammer starts bashing the head.

00:55:25.000 I'll tell you, some of the criticism that we've gotten, like Slate did a piece about us and a couple other publications have written pieces like this where they say, here's the reason the Babylon Bee's not funny.

00:55:35.000 They're not funny because rather than having their jokes tethered to the truth or reality, their jokes are riding on the back of some political narrative.

00:55:45.000 And so what they're saying is there's fake news that we're attaching our jokes to.

00:55:48.000 So we're promoting fake news with satire that's like riding on the top of that.

00:55:53.000 Does that make sense?

00:55:54.000 Whereas The Onion or left-wing comics are rooted in reality.

00:55:58.000 And I feel like it's exactly the opposite.

00:56:01.000 And the validation of that is the fact that our jokes constantly come true.

00:56:04.000 You know, we make these jokes and they come true.

00:56:06.000 It's like, well, there's a reason they come true.

00:56:08.000 It's because we were on to something.

00:56:10.000 There was a point to the joke that we were making and reality just caught up to us.

00:56:14.000 Yeah, sometimes in a matter of hours.

00:56:16.000 The Onion's jokes don't come true as often as our jokes.

00:56:19.000 Their jokes aren't as attached to reality as ours are, honestly.

00:56:21.000 The Onion had two really, really good jokes in the past few years.

00:56:25.000 One was presidency already aging Joe Biden 10 years, and it showed a rotted corpse.

00:56:31.000 Yeah.

00:56:31.000 Like, that was good.

00:56:33.000 And then the other one was, this was back in like 2019 or 2020, And it said, naked Andrew Yang appears from time portal to warn us about, you know, AI in the future or whatever.

00:56:42.000 Like that one was also pretty good.

00:56:44.000 There was so, and this is something I've experienced before, too, with just like cracking a joke about something.

00:56:49.000 And it turns out to be true a few years down the line because these people are generally pretty predictable.

00:56:53.000 But There was a really great Babylon Bee article I want to highlight.

00:56:56.000 Public school student can't read but is already racist at a 12th grade level?

00:57:01.000 That's hilarious.

00:57:02.000 That's a good joke.

00:57:03.000 I don't understand how someone can read that and be like, that's clearly fake news disguised as a punchline.

00:57:08.000 No, that is very obviously a joke.

00:57:11.000 And so a while ago, as I'm sure you know, and I've brought it up on the show a number of times, Snopes did an extremely pseudo-scientific analysis of Babylon Bee articles where they literally rewrote the headlines to remove the joke, make it sound like it was an actual story, and then asked people, do you think that this is an actual story?

00:57:30.000 And then based on the number of people who said yes, They totaled them as people who thought the original Babylon Bee headline was a true story.

00:57:37.000 So they said, of course we have to fact-check satire.

00:57:40.000 Snopes highlighted that study.

00:57:41.000 They didn't conduct the study.

00:57:42.000 Oh, they didn't conduct the study?

00:57:43.000 Yeah, it was done at some university, and then they republished it, the findings.

00:57:46.000 But they didn't just rewrite our headlines.

00:57:48.000 They literally reworded them so they didn't sound like jokes anymore.

00:57:51.000 No, they took the jokes out, yes.

00:57:52.000 Yeah, they took the joke out, stripped it of its comedic structure.

00:57:56.000 Yes, and removed the image and the image is usually like a silly Photoshop, you know, like a

00:57:57.000 Yes.

00:58:01.000 Fake looking Photoshop or ridiculous outlandish image. They take that away too and just present you with this like, you 0.75

00:58:08.000 know Headline that maybe it could be true. I don't know but it

00:58:11.000 certainly doesn't sound like a joke. So one one example Um, oh, sorry

00:58:16.000 so one example was you guys did a bit that was like It's it's with a picture of some news anchor and it says

00:58:23.000 God allowed the Mueller report to test our unshakable faith in collusion

00:58:27.000 And they reworded it as CNN news anchor Anderson Cooper said his belief that Trump colluded with Russia is unshakable

00:58:33.000 It will not change regardless of statement or evidence to the contract

00:58:39.000 That is a completely different different sentence.

00:58:42.000 Yeah I have issues with satire in that I'm concerned when people don't know it's satire.

00:58:45.000 And then when they answer that it does sound true to apply it to the first statement is just totally dishonest

00:58:50.000 How do you I have issues with satire and that I'm concerned when people don't know it's satire

00:58:55.000 How do you like how do you manage that with people not knowing it's satire?

00:59:00.000 Yeah, because if some article comes up and you don't know ahead of time, like this is a satire newspaper, which is a lot of times why they ask you to put satire on the... Do they?

00:59:09.000 Like with your descriptions and like your Twitter or like any other... I mean they can... It's labeled satire in a sense that if you actually click on our website, you know, like our tagline is Fake News You Can Trust and like, you know, our About Us page is obviously a joke, but...

00:59:24.000 We don't put on every article, this is satire, and then close the article with what you just read was satire.

00:59:29.000 You know, we're not just... It kind of kills the joke to be constantly reminding people this is a joke.

00:59:35.000 So you can't do that, really.

00:59:36.000 Yeah.

00:59:37.000 So you have to just present it, and people either get it or they don't.

00:59:40.000 And a lot of people don't.

00:59:41.000 I want to point out real quick, you mentioned selection bias for The Onion, so I pulled up the Wayback Machine, and I looked at a few ten-year-old archival posts, and like, yeah, they're not particularly funny, to be honest.

00:59:51.000 There's a few ones, and I think there's something interesting I see here, because some of these do make me want to chuckle.

00:59:56.000 Super Bowl veterans much more prepared for big games' unique stresses.

01:00:00.000 Rookies often rattled by pools of boiling blood, scything blades, psychosexual hallucinations.

01:00:06.000 Like, okay, that one's at least a little edgy, and it gave me a chuckle.

01:00:10.000 And you look at the modern stuff now, and it's kind of just like, eh, you know, like, there's one that's like, kill your dad, and it's like a woman, like, waving something at her dad.

01:00:16.000 I'm like, it's just not fair.

01:00:17.000 Doing comedy now, you're tiptoeing through a minefield.

01:00:19.000 Comedians are literally getting attacked on stage.

01:00:21.000 Chappelle's attacked.

01:00:22.000 Chris Rock was slapped in the face.

01:00:24.000 You know, like other people, there's, you know, there's stories about that.

01:00:26.000 There was just one in the New York Post a few, a couple of weeks ago, you know, about how it's not just, you've, you've heard about a lot of these cases, but there's cases happening at smaller comedy clubs too, where comedians are feeling like they need armed security to go on stage and make jokes because they're going to offend somebody who's going to get violent.

01:00:40.000 Or the right to keep and bear arms and defend themselves.

01:00:44.000 You mentioned this term that Snopes uses, which is labeled satire, which I just also want to highlight.

01:00:51.000 There's something a little bit sneaky there, right?

01:00:53.000 Like, this isn't obviously satire.

01:00:55.000 It's labeled satire.

01:00:57.000 But it's still like, it leaves the question of whether you guys intended to be satire or not.

01:01:02.000 That's intentional.

01:01:03.000 That's intentional.

01:01:04.000 Like a news organization that's masked as a satire organization?

01:01:07.000 Well, because their position is, and they haven't changed it, their position is that we are claiming to be a satire site so that we can mislead people.

01:01:14.000 Yeah, how does that even make sense?

01:01:17.000 New York Times described us as a far-right misinformation site that sometimes traffics in misinformation under the guise of satire.

01:01:24.000 So like a comedian, that'd be like, that's a long way of saying it's a comedian.

01:01:28.000 Right.

01:01:30.000 Under the guise of satire though, you know, we're putting it on, we're wearing the costume, we're claiming we're satire.

01:01:35.000 But it says satire on the website, it says fake news at the top of the website.

01:01:38.000 Well and also, like he said, you know, the pictures that go along with the articles are clearly photoshopped.

01:01:45.000 There's a lot of context clues.

01:01:46.000 Yeah, it's usually like a setup punchline formula in the headline.

01:01:48.000 Like if people are not discerning enough to understand the difference between reality and fantasy.

01:01:54.000 It's not my fault.

01:01:55.000 I can't, I can't lower the bar.

01:02:02.000 There's a big difference between, you know, a fake news site, and this is what they're trying to lump us in with, you know, you'll see a fake news site that pops up and they want to get clicks.

01:02:11.000 They do a story about how Kevin Hart dies in car accident.

01:02:15.000 And that's the headline.

01:02:16.000 Kevin Hart dies tragically in car accident.

01:02:17.000 Well, it didn't happen.

01:02:18.000 And that's not a joke.

01:02:19.000 It's not funny.

01:02:20.000 They're just making up a fake headline.

01:02:22.000 It's a lie.

01:02:23.000 And it's a lie that gets clicks because people are like, Oh my God, did Kevin Hart die?

01:02:26.000 And then they share it.

01:02:28.000 So, you know, when we write a joke, you know, that's not what we're, we're not just trying to like throw something out there that might get clicks.

01:02:34.000 There's a point, there's a punchline, you know, there's a, and the whole thing ties together, the headline, the image, everything, it all ties together.

01:02:40.000 You're never going to be able to get 100% of your audience to understand that you're doing satirical jokes.

01:02:47.000 You never will.

01:02:48.000 You don't remember the legendary Babylon Bee article?

01:02:50.000 Kevin Hart died?

01:02:52.000 It was huge.

01:02:52.000 It went viral.

01:02:54.000 Kevin Hart dies in car accident.

01:02:56.000 That's our best headline.

01:02:57.000 Did you guys get banned off Twitter?

01:02:58.000 Did Babylon Bee get banned off Twitter?

01:03:00.000 There was some drama about it a couple months ago or something.

01:03:02.000 Babylon Bee did a joke.

01:03:05.000 Well, so the USA Today named Rachel Levine Woman of the Year.

01:03:08.000 Oh, right.

01:03:09.000 And Babylon Bee responded to that.

01:03:11.000 We did a joke about how Rachel Levine had been picked as our Man of the Year.

01:03:15.000 And Twitter didn't like that very much.

01:03:17.000 Yeah, we got we got reported for hateful conduct, and we were told to delete the tweet.

01:03:23.000 Wow.

01:03:24.000 And basically, instead of them just taking it down, which, you know, to my thinking, if they have a problem with this tweet, they can take it down.

01:03:30.000 They don't have to force me to like bend the knee and admit that I did something wrong.

01:03:34.000 But they want us to say that we engaged in hateful conduct and acknowledge that and delete the tweet and take it down.

01:03:39.000 And so what we've done, we've been in Twitter jail for three months because we've refused to.

01:03:42.000 Oh, awesome.

01:03:43.000 But as soon as Elon makes that purchase, As soon as Elon makes that purchase.

01:03:48.000 We'll see.

01:03:48.000 I mean, he's given us no assurances, but I would expect that if he does go through, if the deal does go through and Elon Musk takes over Twitter, then I would expect that situations like ours would be corrected.

01:04:00.000 I pulled up The Onion from September 13th, 2001.

01:04:02.000 Yeah, that's when I was hot.

01:04:03.000 You're going way back now.

01:04:05.000 That's when I was reading it a lot.

01:04:06.000 And this one, actually, I kind of think it's funny. 0.99

01:04:07.000 A guy's gone wild and it's a fat dude pulling his shirt up with stars over his nipples. 0.98

01:04:11.000 Other than that, it is not particularly funny in my opinion. 1.00

01:04:13.000 That sucker Jesus has forgiven me for some pretty bad sins. 0.97

01:04:17.000 He's pretty great. 0.99

01:04:18.000 And then this article right here, it's just like, Congressman admits to sexual relationship.

01:04:22.000 That doesn't even sound like satire.

01:04:24.000 Right.

01:04:25.000 Not at this point.

01:04:26.000 I don't even know if it is, to be honest.

01:04:28.000 It's literally just saying Gordon Graham admits to an affair.

01:04:31.000 It's kind of like, have you guys been parodying Putin much these days? 0.98

01:04:36.000 Stuff Putin's up to and Putin eating ice cream and all that crap. 0.97

01:04:40.000 Mostly Biden, not so much Putin. 0.98

01:04:43.000 Yeah, I got one here from The Onion in 2001.

01:04:46.000 Starving bandage Bin Laden offers US one last chance to surrender.

01:04:49.000 And I mean, that was, to me, it was like crying.

01:04:52.000 I was working at ground zero at that period of my life, like smelling the wreckage, whatever it was, the bodies or the...

01:04:59.000 And it was still hilarious, hilarious because it wasn't hateful.

01:05:02.000 I mean, there's the people, they're not doing it to hurt people, right?

01:05:05.000 It's like, you gotta, you gotta enjoy life, even the chaos.

01:05:07.000 And soldiers will tell you that too, in the middle of the heat of the battle, you still gotta, you gotta find humor in like some of the craziest stuff.

01:05:15.000 I guess it's because it's lacking.

01:05:17.000 The argument is that it's lacking context when it's just like a post with no, I don't know.

01:05:22.000 What is it on Twitter?

01:05:22.000 There's like no picture or.

01:05:24.000 But if so, if that were the case, then why wouldn't they conduct an actual, reasonable, scientifically done analysis of the headlines as they're actually written, rather than butchering them and then claiming that?

01:05:37.000 I just got to point out real quick.

01:05:40.000 I had to frantically click away from The Onion because back in 2000, they had a racial slur on their front page for like four days as part of one of their jokes.

01:05:47.000 Yeah, they set the precedent.

01:05:49.000 Maybe they were a bit more edgy back then.

01:05:52.000 I don't know.

01:05:52.000 I was like, oh, we can't show that.

01:05:54.000 It was the Wild West for better or worse.

01:05:56.000 I do think, I don't think that it's bad these days.

01:05:58.000 Like I don't, people call it a dystopian stuff.

01:06:00.000 I just think it's always been this crazy.

01:06:01.000 And now the curtain's been pulled back and we can see the inner workings of the beast.

01:06:06.000 I think that when they are accusing you of basically hollowing this out and using it as a skin suit, all they're doing is projecting.

01:06:12.000 Because this is what we see them doing with every single institution they touch.

01:06:16.000 That's all they ever do.

01:06:17.000 And they're talking about how you're like conveying a political message but trying to do it with comedy.

01:06:22.000 They're trying and failing to do this with people like Colbert and The Onion.

01:06:25.000 They're doing it incredibly poorly because they have no self-reflection, they have no humility, they can never be wrong.

01:06:31.000 And those are things that are required.

01:06:32.000 You need to be able to make fun of yourself because, you know, if you make fun of yourself, you'll never win out of material.

01:06:37.000 They cannot do it, but they're trying.

01:06:39.000 I think they're really jealous of what you're doing at the Babylon Bee.

01:06:41.000 That's kind of what I smell like.

01:06:42.000 That's possible.

01:06:42.000 Well, I think you undermine them.

01:06:44.000 Yeah, they did actually make fun of us a little bit.

01:06:46.000 They were kind of like, without naming us, you know, they were making jokes about how They'd been suspended on Twitter and this is their last tweet, you know, like, or they can no longer tweet and they're tweeting that, you know, so they were kind of ironically like tweet.

01:06:58.000 What's the joke?

01:06:59.000 The joke was that we were, I guess, like putting it on that we had, we were being suppressed or, or, but we still are on Twitter and we can still tweet if we want to or something like that.

01:07:08.000 The joke was that we're faking it.

01:07:10.000 I don't know.

01:07:11.000 It wasn't really abundantly clear.

01:07:13.000 It wasn't abundantly clear.

01:07:13.000 And no one got it because no one knew what they were referring to.

01:07:16.000 Their audience has no familiarity with what's going on with us and Twitter.

01:07:20.000 So it's just kind of like it got no engagement, no reaction.

01:07:23.000 Yeah.

01:07:23.000 Well, and so, Lydia, you made a really good point about projection, and this is something I kind of want to talk about for a moment here.

01:07:29.000 When I write a joke, or someone pitches a joke to me for Freedom Tunes, or I write a rough concept that I want to shop around to friends, nobody goes, I like the political point you're making, you should make that one.

01:07:42.000 It's like, Yeah, they'll either go, eh, I don't like that one, or, oh, that's funny, you should do it, right?

01:07:46.000 So people will still discern whether something is funny or not, even if they agree with it politically.

01:07:50.000 And I know, you know, I've spoken with people at Babylon Bee who have told me that, you know, the headlines will get shot down all the time, and then you try to come up with the one that's funniest.

01:07:59.000 And so what they don't realize is when we're writing jokes, we're not sitting down going, how are we going to get them?

01:08:05.000 Like, how are we going to get the other side?

01:08:06.000 It's just something comes to your mind that you think is funny and then you end up producing it.

01:08:11.000 But that's not how they write their humor so they think we're doing what they're doing.

01:08:18.000 Real quick.

01:08:18.000 I just pulled up the Babylon Bee.

01:08:20.000 And the first thing I see is Nancy Pelosi recommends avoiding pain at the pump by becoming a millionaire through insider trading.

01:08:26.000 That's really good.

01:08:27.000 And even the left should find that funny.

01:08:30.000 Everyone knows Nancy Pelosi is like that Pelosi stock tracker. 1.00

01:08:34.000 January 6th musical.

01:08:35.000 I need to watch this.

01:08:37.000 Oh my gosh.

01:08:38.000 Yeah.

01:08:41.000 What I was going to say is, you know, really the only consideration when you're writing a headline, you're pitching a headline is, is it funny?

01:08:48.000 You know, it's not like, oh, does it make the point that we want to make?

01:08:51.000 Well, that's really secondary to, is it funny?

01:08:53.000 It's got to be funny first.

01:08:54.000 You got to lead with that.

01:08:55.000 And where they want to get your head, because this is the criticism that we have, is that we've engaged in hateful conduct with the Rachel Levine joke, right?

01:09:03.000 They want you thinking to yourself, you know, am I making fun of someone who's beneath me?

01:09:08.000 Am I punching down at someone who's marginalized and oppressed while I'm privileged?

01:09:11.000 That person in a very high position of government.

01:09:13.000 Yeah, the white male high-ranking government official.

01:09:16.000 Am I punching down at that person, right?

01:09:18.000 But that's where they want your head at.

01:09:19.000 They want you thinking in those terms.

01:09:21.000 I'm like, I'm not sexist or racist.

01:09:24.000 I don't think people are beneath me.

01:09:25.000 Like imagine thinking to yourself.

01:09:27.000 Imagine thinking to yourself, you know what?

01:09:28.000 I shouldn't joke about those people.

01:09:30.000 They're beneath me.

01:09:33.000 It's so condescending.

01:09:34.000 Like, we should be able to joke about each other indiscriminately, right?

01:09:36.000 So, you know, having to put your head in that space I think is really unhealthy, but that's where their comedy writers are at.

01:09:43.000 They're like, oh, I'm a white male with privilege writing jokes.

01:09:46.000 I've got to be very careful about all the people I could be punching down at. 0.97

01:09:49.000 Yeah, I can't stand it when white... So we're working on a video game. 1.00

01:09:51.000 And in the video game characters can be randomly generated as any race and there's gonna be a character customization

01:09:56.000 menu And so we made the joke like if we made an anti racist mode

01:10:00.000 That took all of the left's ideology and applied it to the racialization of the characters in this game

01:10:05.000 Like it really helps you understand just how racist they are. Yeah, like what?

01:10:11.000 Their view of people's race was applied to a video game, actually quantified.

01:10:16.000 The game would be banned.

01:10:17.000 The game would be banned instantly because you'd be like... It'd be racist.

01:10:20.000 Well, the idea is like...

01:10:21.000 If we removed the stereotypes or inverted them, it exposes just how racist they really are.

01:10:27.000 Like, the idea that white people are privileged and have all these special benefits.

01:10:31.000 If you actually enacted that in the game, then characters based on the race you choose for your character would have different stats.

01:10:37.000 Right away, it's already like, can they jump higher, not jump higher?

01:10:41.000 I'm not going to get into how awfully racist it would be, but we could not apply anti-racism to the game because it's equally as racist as being just stereotypically racist.

01:10:51.000 Right.

01:10:52.000 And they want you to think of the world in those terms when you're writing jokes.

01:10:54.000 It's like, well, you know, can't joke about women.

01:10:57.000 Women are beneath me. 1.00

01:10:58.000 They're beneath me on the power structure because I'm a man.

01:11:01.000 It's like, come on, you know?

01:11:03.000 Yeah.

01:11:04.000 I got pushed to think that I was better than other people because of my skin color. 0.92

01:11:07.000 It was disgusting.

01:11:08.000 I don't know how to defend or even to respond to that. 0.59

01:11:11.000 Like, I see people's eyeballs.

01:11:12.000 We're like brains floating in meat sacks.

01:11:14.000 I don't know.

01:11:16.000 Obviously, skin tone has some value.

01:11:17.000 They literally will say to you though, they're like, Ian, accept that as a white person, you are better than other people.

01:11:23.000 Why don't you do it?

01:11:24.000 And you're like, no, no!

01:11:26.000 I want to help people and I'm not going to stop helping a certain kind of person or like a certain color of person or a certain height of person.

01:11:33.000 I'm not going to stop.

01:11:34.000 But the thing is too, it's like, How are we punching down, by the way, making jokes?

01:11:38.000 Like, you mentioned this is a high-ranking government official or whatever, but these ideas that we make fun of, you know, if we're making fun of, you know, progressive gender ideology, you know, that's coming from all the biggest corporations, the universities, the government officials, you know, it's coming from everywhere.

01:11:56.000 Media and entertainment.

01:11:57.000 It's being shoved down your throat from the top down.

01:12:01.000 And God forbid you make a joke about it.

01:12:03.000 You're punching down on the marginalized and the oppressed.

01:12:06.000 If people can like silence you and punish you and deplatform you for merely joking about them, do they really lack power?

01:12:13.000 Are they really marginalized?

01:12:14.000 Are you really in a position of power over them?

01:12:17.000 I don't think so.

01:12:18.000 You have to actually control what you say in order to not be punished by them.

01:12:22.000 They're the ones in the position of power in that situation.

01:12:24.000 That's a good what's that quote if you want to know who holds the power in society look at to who you can't What was that it was a neo-nazi who wrote that well, it's true.

01:12:34.000 Yeah, that's a neo-nazi quote And I think it's a really bad quote too because like I The idea that because you can't criticize someone means they have power over you is just not true either.

01:12:47.000 That's literally not true.

01:12:49.000 I think that does indicate that.

01:12:51.000 How do you think it doesn't?

01:12:53.000 Like a disabled person, like a child with leukemia doesn't have any power over your life Ian. 1.00

01:12:59.000 But you can't criticize them.

01:13:00.000 Like it's not okay to go out there smack-talking a bunch of like... It is okay. 0.92

01:13:05.000 A child who's dying of cancer You don't criticize them because it's just like, not cool.

01:13:10.000 But if you're part of a protected group and everyone is going to come to your defense and make sure that you don't have a job anymore if you make fun of someone who's in that protected group, then them with that group at their back, they have all the power.

01:13:22.000 But it's a political faction, not the victim group they're using.

01:13:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:27.000 You're saying cancel culture?

01:13:28.000 See, that's actually a Voltaire quote.

01:13:30.000 This wasn't a Nazi quote.

01:13:31.000 No, it was falsely attributed to Voltaire.

01:13:33.000 Yeah, because people are trying to... I can't stand this stuff they do.

01:13:38.000 Because they're trying to talk about the Jews and they try to manipulate their way into getting people like you, Ian, to use their quotes.

01:13:44.000 Well, ask Quora about it.

01:13:45.000 We as a society don't like it when you criticize the dead.

01:13:48.000 The recently deceased.

01:13:49.000 We like to go to funerals and be like, the dead person has no power over you, but you can't criticize them.

01:13:53.000 Okay, they're not alive, you say.

01:13:55.000 Living people, sure.

01:13:56.000 A child who's a burn victim saying like, that was a disgusting thing you just did.

01:14:00.000 People are going to be like, dude, you need to chill out.

01:14:02.000 Yeah, but the burn victim.

01:14:03.000 The kid can't do anything to you.

01:14:04.000 It's the people, if you criticize someone.

01:14:06.000 The political faction.

01:14:07.000 Other people, like cancel culture will raise up, but if you criticize someone to their face and something bad can happen to you, that means that they have some sort of power over you.

01:14:15.000 I do think that it's true that when people get into power, they become very sensitive and touchy.

01:14:21.000 There's a reason there's a court jester making fun of the king.

01:14:24.000 The people in power bristle at being mocked.

01:14:27.000 They can't bear to be mocked.

01:14:29.000 They can't bear to be ridiculed.

01:14:31.000 And so they're very likely, especially the more authoritarian they lean, they're more likely to clamp down on speech to prevent that so they don't look bad.

01:14:38.000 I mean, look at North Korea, for example.

01:14:40.000 You know, you can't make certain jokes.

01:14:42.000 And you have to call him dear leader.

01:14:43.000 You can't even just call him Kim Jong-un.

01:14:45.000 I mean, you got to call him the dear leader.

01:14:47.000 Exactly.

01:14:47.000 You're not on a first name basis?

01:14:49.000 It's the dear leader.

01:14:50.000 I call him Oon, personally.

01:14:51.000 Oon? 0.92

01:14:52.000 Yeah, he's just a buddy of mine.

01:14:53.000 Yeah, so it's one of the exercises of power.

01:14:55.000 One of the exercises of power is to make sure that people can't criticize you.

01:14:58.000 It's to retain the power by shielding yourself from criticism and mockery.

01:15:02.000 And so I think there's legitimacy to it from that angle.

01:15:05.000 I think when it comes to the U.S.

01:15:07.000 and it comes to censorship, they don't have power over us.

01:15:11.000 They control the systems they control and we've given them the power because we use their systems.

01:15:15.000 We adhere to it.

01:15:16.000 But look at what's been happening over the past few years.

01:15:19.000 A lot of companies tried launching and the machine tried crushing them.

01:15:23.000 Gab was smacked around a bit by the big tech companies.

01:15:27.000 But in the end, they couldn't win.

01:15:29.000 And now you've got Rumble is taking off, massive support, because finally there are people who are just like, I can't take it anymore!

01:15:36.000 So Rumble's doing cloud infrastructure, they're supporting Truth Social, which has massive engagement, you've got the Rumble video player, you've got the launch of Parallel Economy payment processing services, it's all starting to happen.

01:15:46.000 Is this an ad?

01:15:46.000 Are we doing an ad read now?

01:15:48.000 No.

01:15:50.000 But it is happening.

01:15:51.000 When you say that we've given them power, I agree with that.

01:15:53.000 I mean, when people ask me, like, well, you know, you talk about speaking boldly, speaking the truth boldly, whatever, you know, saying what you think.

01:16:01.000 What if I do that and I lose my job?

01:16:02.000 I'm like, well, why do you think you'd lose your job?

01:16:04.000 Because you'd be an outlier if you spoke your mind, right?

01:16:07.000 Well, why are you an outlier?

01:16:08.000 Well, because everyone else is self-censoring.

01:16:10.000 Everyone else is self-censoring.

01:16:11.000 You probably work in a company where half the people agree with you, but they're afraid to speak their mind.

01:16:16.000 And I think when we self-censor, we're doing the tyrant's work for him and giving them power they shouldn't have.

01:16:22.000 You know, I've always... I just, man, for whatever reason, cared substantially less than other people.

01:16:27.000 I remember when I was working for the ABC company, I would just, like, say it.

01:16:31.000 Somebody would have, like, something on their desk.

01:16:32.000 I'd be like, oh, that's wrong, by the way.

01:16:33.000 And they'd be like, huh?

01:16:34.000 And I'd be like, here, let me show you.

01:16:35.000 And I'd be like, here's why your feminist weird pay gap thing is not true. 1.00

01:16:39.000 And they would get really angry about it.

01:16:40.000 There's a value to discerning, to know when to speak.

01:16:43.000 Like, cause if you're the only one that stands up and says it, you might get the hammer come down.

01:16:47.000 But if you can coordinate a bunch of people to rise, uprise, you know, then you get like a letter to the editor from like 60 people will sign it.

01:16:55.000 And it's like, well, I can't, I can't afford to lose my employees.

01:16:58.000 What's that Breitbart quote about the fire?

01:17:00.000 I don't know.

01:17:01.000 I remember exactly what he said.

01:17:02.000 Something like walk towards the fire.

01:17:04.000 I can't remember exactly what he said, but someone either like created a derivative version of it, and it was something like, you know, people are scared.

01:17:12.000 They see the fire.

01:17:13.000 They're scared.

01:17:13.000 They're told if you go near it, it'll burn you.

01:17:16.000 But then those who are actually brave enough to jump through it see on the other side is freedom.

01:17:20.000 Walk toward the fire.

01:17:21.000 Don't worry about what they call you.

01:17:22.000 All those things are set against you because they want you to stop in your tracks.

01:17:25.000 But if you keep going, you're sending a message to the people rooting for you.

01:17:29.000 Who are agreeing with you?

01:17:30.000 The message is that they can do it, too.

01:17:33.000 And also, if you stop and stand in a fire, you get burned.

01:17:35.000 But if you run through it, you're not gonna feel the heat.

01:17:38.000 That's what I... I was talking with someone about it, and somebody else I was talking to took that quote, and the version they said to me was basically like, You know, we all see this fire and we know it burns.

01:17:48.000 We know it's scary.

01:17:49.000 So everyone's just staying back from it, but they're being singed by the heat.

01:17:53.000 Some people are brave enough to run towards it, jump through it.

01:17:55.000 On the other side is a beach.

01:17:57.000 People are celebrating, having a good time.

01:17:59.000 And so for me, it was never hard because I just...

01:18:04.000 People wanna push this nonsense stuff?

01:18:06.000 I just don't care.

01:18:07.000 Like, I've dealt with hardship and I'm just like, you can't take anything from me.

01:18:11.000 You can fire me, you can boot me out.

01:18:13.000 What's my worst case scenario?

01:18:14.000 I'm chillin', man.

01:18:14.000 I'll go skate.

01:18:15.000 Skateboarders, we've always just wanted to hang out, sleep under a tree, go skate, cram ourselves in a single-bedroom apartment.

01:18:20.000 So, you got no leverage here, buddy.

01:18:22.000 But now, like, there's a community being built on the other side of that fire.

01:18:27.000 There's the Babylon Bee, there's new infrastructure that's coming.

01:18:30.000 And if you just say, enough, don't know, don't care, you will be supported.

01:18:35.000 James O'Keefe, he gives jobs to the whistleblowers.

01:18:38.000 He raises money for the whistleblowers, and people donate to the whistleblowers.

01:18:41.000 They're not left high and dry.

01:18:43.000 He keeps supporting them to make sure that they're not left holding an empty bag.

01:18:47.000 And as this, you know, this faction or whatever, people who believe in freedom keeps expanding, growing and gaining more power and access, there's more opportunity for more people to speak up because you won't be left behind.

01:18:56.000 What do you guys think about mean jokes?

01:18:58.000 Like comedy, I guess I'll ask you particularly because you're here, Seth, but like, what do you think about like the difference between jokes that are like, that have a butt to the joke, like a person or a type of person versus like other forms of comedy, like, you know, a funny saying or something?

01:19:14.000 Well, I mean, generally speaking, like, what we do, like, satirical comedy is meant to be, it's meant to make you laugh, but also make you think it's like, it's more like, there's supposed to be some in some way that it like cuts you makes you sting, but for a healing purpose, right?

01:19:31.000 So it's more like a surgeon's scalpel that's like, intended for the purpose of like, removing something bad, so that it heals better than it was to begin with, like a vaccine.

01:19:41.000 Rather than, yeah, like a vaccine.

01:19:43.000 There you go.

01:19:43.000 Yeah.

01:19:44.000 For children.

01:19:45.000 So like, um, so it's, uh, I think that jokes are generally the idea that the jokes are because we're often accused of being mean and being cruel with our, with our jokes.

01:19:56.000 And while it's, well, maybe you're looking at it the wrong way, you know, like jokes, you can take it that way.

01:20:01.000 I guess you can be offended by it.

01:20:02.000 You can get really upset about it.

01:20:04.000 Are you talking about a joke that's just like, you know, calling somebody fat or something like that, where there's no redemptive purpose to it and it's not like, wit-metted to moral concern or something like that, where you're trying to like, make a point?

01:20:16.000 I'm asking, are you talking about something that's just mean to be mean-spirited?

01:20:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:22.000 Or let's go, let's say what you're saying, like you use someone's fault to make a greater point.

01:20:28.000 I personally, I mean, I'm not really into like, this guy's a dog and here's why. 0.87

01:20:34.000 And it's like, look at all the five ugly things about that guy. 0.62

01:20:37.000 And then people are like, yeah, watch him fall down on a banana peel.

01:20:40.000 No, I see like a moral reason to do comedy that attacks but more ideas than people.

01:20:50.000 It's like ridiculing bad ideas.

01:20:52.000 It's going after them and trying to tear them down so that they're not like...

01:20:56.000 As appealing as they were.

01:20:58.000 And imagine how much better off we'd be, by the way, if more comedians were doing that.

01:21:01.000 You have all these bad ideas that are infecting children's minds.

01:21:04.000 You know, we've got all these... We've got, like, high depression rates and suicide rates and, you know, ten-year-olds transitioning and wanting to get on puberty-blocking hormones and all this stuff.

01:21:13.000 Imagine if comedians were doing a better job mocking the insanity of all of this and making it less appealing.

01:21:19.000 Instead, you've got everybody promoting this stuff like it's great and you're not even allowed to make fun of it or it's hate speech.

01:21:25.000 Comedy can play a role in that kind of stuff by mocking bad ideas that are harmful for society.

01:21:30.000 I want to show you this video real quick.

01:21:32.000 I'm not going to play the video, but this is a video called Open Mic Night.

01:21:36.000 It used to be called Open Mic Massacre.

01:21:38.000 Now it's called Open Mic Night Becomes a Massacre When Liberal Arts Hecklers Take Over. 1.00

01:21:43.000 This caused chaos at Fusion.

01:21:45.000 This is several years old.

01:21:47.000 Several years old.

01:21:48.000 This is 2015 and this is back when I worked for Fusion.

01:21:51.000 This came out and I said this is one of your best videos because I was talking to the higher-ups and how they can get their videos to get more traffic because they were struggling.

01:22:01.000 And I was like, this one's big.

01:22:02.000 Basically, it's a standup comedian.

01:22:03.000 No matter what he says, they boo him and call him racist or offensive.

01:22:07.000 And then he's like, no, I feel like I can't say anything.

01:22:10.000 And they're like, no, it's a free speech zone.

01:22:12.000 And then they boo him and throw tomatoes at him.

01:22:14.000 This one pissed off the entire staff.

01:22:18.000 They said it was racist.

01:22:19.000 And then the higher ups were like, why did we make a video insulting our audience?

01:22:23.000 And then I was like, dude, you guys, this is like the only funny video you have.

01:22:27.000 Then they did eventually go on to make celebrity mockery videos,

01:22:31.000 which also was just like general pop culture humor, which was fine.

01:22:34.000 But at the time, this was relevant, politically savvy, and it was funny.

01:22:39.000 And it got half a million views in a couple days, and I was like, it's because it's good and people like it and it's funny.

01:22:45.000 And they were like, nope, nope, it's insulting our audience.

01:22:47.000 We can't have that.

01:22:49.000 Ian, you were sort of asking this question about making fun of people.

01:22:54.000 It's honestly a good one because it's something I've wrestled with too, and I would tend to agree with you that you want to attack ideas more so.

01:23:02.000 I do think sometimes there's still room to make fun of people, but I find that what tends to be most cruel about our society is what we choose to affirm rather than what we choose to ridicule.

01:23:14.000 So we will let people believe that they're capable of doing something they're not capable of and then just watch them get hurt.

01:23:22.000 And I think that's a lot more cruel than just being blunt with them and saying, no, absolutely not.

01:23:27.000 You can't do that.

01:23:29.000 For example, we've talked about this before, but on American Idol, what they would often do is tell someone

01:23:36.000 who couldn't sing at all that they were a wonderful performer and that they should sing in front of

01:23:41.000 the judges and then they would and it would be unbelievably humiliating for them. They wouldn't

01:23:45.000 tell them you're the best. They would say... But they would pass them on to the next round even

01:23:49.000 though they knew they couldn't sing.

01:23:51.000 Now, now, now what would be now?

01:23:52.000 I'm not saying if you knew that person personally, the best approach would be to make fun of them.

01:23:56.000 Like I think it's, it's a case by case basis, whether humor is the best approach, but I think it would be less cruel.

01:24:03.000 If someone came to you and saying that way to poke a little fun at them than to say, Oh no, you're great.

01:24:09.000 Go on live television and sing in front of everyone.

01:24:11.000 But our society is really committed to doing the ladder in virtually all circumstances where we encounter that problem.

01:24:17.000 It's the exact same reason why somebody will have spinach stuck in their teeth and no one will tell them.

01:24:22.000 Oh, you gotta tell them.

01:24:23.000 Tell them.

01:24:24.000 Yeah.

01:24:24.000 I never understood that.

01:24:26.000 I never, I never understood that.

01:24:28.000 I see someone and they got like a thing on the back.

01:24:30.000 Hey, you got something on your teeth.

01:24:30.000 They go, Oh, thanks.

01:24:32.000 Like, but people don't want to do it.

01:24:33.000 They're like, I'm not going to say anything.

01:24:34.000 Yeah, shout out to Will.

01:24:36.000 He was on Chamberlain, and I think he had chocolate on his face, and I was like, oh, he has a cut on his face.

01:24:40.000 I didn't know, so I didn't say anything, but sorry, Will.

01:24:42.000 Next time I'll call it out.

01:24:44.000 One of the things I was thinking about when you were talking is obesity, because people used to tell fat jokes, and that's like...

01:24:51.000 I think obesity isn't the person, it's the idea, it's the behavior, that you can eat whatever you want, and that you don't have to fast, and that you can eat sugar, and that fat's bad, sugar's good.

01:25:01.000 So it's these ideas, you can poke fun at the ideas, maybe not at the person by name and showing their body, but I mean...

01:25:10.000 You know, how do you poke fun at the idea of obesity without showing someone?

01:25:14.000 I mean, you could have a computer-generated person.

01:25:16.000 Yeah, but good comedians make fun of themselves.

01:25:18.000 You know, like Chris Farley would make jokes at his own expense all the time, you know, for being overweight. 0.90

01:25:23.000 Fat guy in a little coat. 0.58

01:25:24.000 Fat guy in a little coat, right? 0.90

01:25:26.000 And it's funny, and he's willing to laugh at himself about it. 0.56

01:25:29.000 And we've lost that.

01:25:30.000 We've lost that ability to be able to say, you know what?

01:25:33.000 I'm not perfect.

01:25:33.000 There are actually things about me that are worth making fun of and laughing about.

01:25:37.000 And it's okay to recognize them as flaws and laugh about it and have a sense of humor about it, rather than being so uptight like, oh, if someone makes fun of my physical appearance, I'm distraught.

01:25:50.000 I'm destroyed and I can never recover from that.

01:25:53.000 By creating safe spaces, we're harming people by never exposing them to even jokes that confront them with their flaws.

01:26:01.000 I think one of the big splits that happens in the culture war between left and right has a lot to do with participation trophy parents versus parents who didn't do that.

01:26:13.000 So it feels like one of the big things that divides left and right, the left, they're entitled, but they're also very soft.

01:26:19.000 They need safe spaces.

01:26:20.000 Trigger warnings.

01:26:22.000 When someone says a mean word, they think it's violence because, quite literally, they've never been insulted before.

01:26:26.000 I mean, imagine this.

01:26:27.000 You grow up in a town or whatever with participation trophy parents, snowplow parents who bulldoze every obstacle, no one's allowed to say mean words, you've never been insulted in your life, let alone never had someone flick your ear. 0.90

01:26:41.000 All of a sudden, now you're an adult, you go on Twitter and someone goes, you're dumb, and they go, It's the first time I've ever felt this pain! 0.99

01:26:48.000 Why are you calling me dumb?! 1.00

01:26:50.000 It's like, I've been spit on and shut at the same time.

01:26:52.000 Yeah, I don't think it's an argument for, you know, bullying and meanness and cruelness are good things.

01:26:58.000 It's more of an argument that, like, you don't build resilience of character if you don't face challenges and you're not, like, and you're not having to deal with the fact that, you know, you're not perfect and not everybody's gonna be nice to you.

01:27:11.000 And you can't expect that everybody's going to be nice to you, and you can't require that everyone treat you perfectly in order for you to be healthy mentally.

01:27:18.000 That's not a good place for anybody to be in, especially as kids.

01:27:22.000 It's ego.

01:27:22.000 I think also, just going back to the question, because we're talking about obesity here, and you asked about using humor with that.

01:27:34.000 I think the approach is using humor, like you said, to kind of toughen people up can work, but then it can have the reverse effect.

01:27:42.000 So, for example, if you have somebody claiming you're healthy at all sizes, that's just ridiculous, and you need to make fun of it.

01:27:48.000 Because if people believe that, they're going to end up indulging in foods they shouldn't eat, they'll get overweight, and then they'll never lose the weight because they'll be able to justify it to themselves, right? 0.55

01:27:57.000 They'll end up being miserable.

01:27:59.000 So I think it's very good to make fun of that idea. 0.84

01:28:01.000 But then, like, pointing at a specific person who's overweight and just ripping on them for being overweight, well, they're probably not going to lose weight if you do that, because you're reinforcing in their mind this idea that, like, they're just fat and gross and irritable.

01:28:13.000 It's actually a good example to bring that up, because look at all these shows, like Eric Cartman in South Park, or Homer Simpson, or Peter Griffin.

01:28:19.000 You know, like, the punchline, and there's a punchline in every episode that has to do with their weight, right?

01:28:24.000 Like, their physical characteristics.

01:28:28.000 And it's funny, you know, the jokes about Homer eats donuts all the time.

01:28:31.000 You know, he's lazy.

01:28:32.000 He sleeps at his workstation. 0.94

01:28:34.000 Abusive father.

01:28:34.000 When he had the drinking bird hitting the Y on the keyboard.

01:28:38.000 Right.

01:28:38.000 That was great.

01:28:39.000 He's the villain.

01:28:40.000 I actually tweeted that out.

01:28:41.000 Homer Simpson's a villain.

01:28:42.000 And people were like, no, no.

01:28:43.000 It's like, dude, don't use that as a role model.

01:28:45.000 That guy beat his kid.

01:28:47.000 He's severely overweight.

01:28:48.000 He was severely abusive to his kid. 0.96

01:28:50.000 He strangled his son. 0.56

01:28:51.000 Over and over again.

01:28:53.000 Bart, you know, is a devastation because of his poor parenting.

01:28:56.000 Yeah.

01:28:56.000 I blame Homer.

01:28:57.000 That's true.

01:28:58.000 I blame Abe, but I blame Homer.

01:28:59.000 Yeah.

01:29:00.000 I think the worst cartoon character is probably Peggy Hill. 1.00

01:29:02.000 You ever watch King of the Hill? 0.98

01:29:05.000 That woman is a sociopath. 1.00

01:29:07.000 Like, textbook. 1.00

01:29:08.000 Like, narcissistic sociopath. 0.96

01:29:11.000 The way she, like, neglects her family and is very... Like, she doesn't hear what people are saying. 1.00

01:29:16.000 She's gotta be on some psychoactive crap, like some sort of weird... This is a cartoon character, I don't know. 0.97

01:29:20.000 Because she's not there.

01:29:21.000 She's not emotionally available.

01:29:23.000 She's always, like, just...

01:29:24.000 Okay.

01:29:25.000 She doesn't speak Spanish, but claims she does. 0.99

01:29:27.000 Like she's like a narcissistic, borderline personality disorder, histrionic, whatever. 0.99

01:29:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:29:33.000 Crazy.

01:29:33.000 But yeah, you make a good point.

01:29:35.000 Uh, Homer would strangle his son and his son was, uh, would lash out and act, you know, inappropriately.

01:29:41.000 And it's probably because his dad beat him.

01:29:42.000 It was probably because his father's an alcoholic.

01:29:45.000 But it's so funny because like the fact that Homer's like, I love the Simpsons, by the way, I love the early seasons, but the fact that he's like literally an alcoholic is just played for laughs.

01:29:54.000 And I don't think he's ever called an alcoholic, really.

01:29:57.000 But it's just like, no, the man is literally an alcoholic who beats his child.

01:30:01.000 He's like, I don't need to wear gloves.

01:30:02.000 At the end of the episode you root for him.

01:30:04.000 It's like this is a genuinely horrible person.

01:30:06.000 No, Frank Grimes didn't.

01:30:07.000 No, it's true.

01:30:08.000 Frank Grimes is the one character with any sense on his show.

01:30:10.000 And then he ended up grabbing the power cables.

01:30:13.000 Do you remember that one?

01:30:14.000 He's like, I don't need to wear gloves.

01:30:15.000 I'm Homer Simpson.

01:30:16.000 A really dark episode.

01:30:17.000 Yeah.

01:30:18.000 Yeah, that show, man.

01:30:20.000 Yeah, but early, early episodes, they were edgy.

01:30:22.000 It was funny.

01:30:23.000 And that's part of the point, too.

01:30:24.000 Like, part of the point is Homer is terrible.

01:30:26.000 Like, that's part of the joke.

01:30:27.000 Isn't it interesting how shows back in the day were like a wholesome family dealing with like, you know, issues with their kid growing up?

01:30:35.000 And then slowly over time shows became more and more dysfunctional.

01:30:39.000 Then you end up with like Married With Children, which was one of the most, I think it was the highest rated sitcom at the time.

01:30:43.000 That was about the same time that The Simpsons came on too.

01:30:46.000 It was early 80s.

01:30:48.000 I really really despised Married With Children because I couldn't stand the fact that they were all just awful people.

01:30:55.000 But more importantly was that Al lost everything.

01:30:59.000 Like he would always lose.

01:31:01.000 And I'm like, I just, I want to, you know, I want to root for someone but I guess the idea is he's a bad person so he doesn't deserve it or something.

01:31:08.000 I thought Peggy was good. 1.00

01:31:09.000 She was an idiot. 1.00

01:31:10.000 But like, is it because she kept like just supporting Al's doofusness that she was also There's one episode I liked and it was where finally, like, Al Bundy punches a guy and then it ends with him saying they won a lawsuit. 1.00

01:31:24.000 Him with Peggy.

01:31:25.000 They're loving and laughing with each other.

01:31:27.000 And he says, I sued him for hurting my fist on his face.

01:31:31.000 And like, I guess the point was it's always backwards or something, but that was the one where I was like, he won and his wife loved him.

01:31:37.000 And I was like, that's the one I can remember.

01:31:39.000 All the rest of them are just like, the family hates, everybody hates each other.

01:31:42.000 And I don't know, I wouldn't want to watch it.

01:31:43.000 Well, we see this a lot, but there's a lot of comedy that just gets way too mean-spirited, and the characters all hate each other.

01:31:49.000 There's this joke that basically every television show does, because they think it's, like, edgy and interesting, but almost all of these shows have moments where, like, for a gag, one of the characters, like, ends up betraying another character who they're supposed to be friends with, or who's a family member.

01:32:02.000 It's like, okay, that was, like, somewhat funny for that one joke, but you've totally undermined the relationship between the characters.

01:32:09.000 And so many shows are, like, willing to sell out character development like that for a punchline.

01:32:13.000 Right.

01:32:14.000 You know what shows actually really good, though, is It's Always Sunny.

01:32:16.000 Oh, yeah. 0.95

01:32:17.000 Those people are just deeply narcissistic and just very, very bad people. 0.92

01:32:22.000 And it's great.

01:32:24.000 I haven't watched the later episodes, though, but, you know, earlier seasons were just absolutely fantastic.

01:32:29.000 Well, and I wonder if they just keep ramping it up, right?

01:32:31.000 Because that's kind of what people would say about Seinfeld.

01:32:33.000 Like, in Seinfeld, they're all really bad, and then it's always Sonny takes it to the next level, and then who knows?

01:32:37.000 Five, ten years from now, it's going to be even more insane and evil. 0.53

01:32:40.000 How do you get more insane than Sonny? 0.73

01:32:43.000 Like the episode where they get crack addicts?

01:32:44.000 I'm sure they said the same thing about Seinfeld.

01:32:46.000 It's like, how do you get worse than airline food, man?

01:32:49.000 How are we going to get past that?

01:32:53.000 Yeah, but now it feels like modern shows are getting scared of being that edgy.

01:32:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:59.000 It's always dark in Philadelphia, and then it would be like just showing the street violence right now.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, it's not funny.

01:33:06.000 Didn't It's Always Sunny remove some episodes or something?

01:33:09.000 I don't know.

01:33:10.000 Yeah, they removed some offensive episodes.

01:33:12.000 Well, so this is another thing that happens too.

01:33:14.000 It's an interesting phenomenon in media, but when the economy is doing poorly, comedy tends to be more popular.

01:33:20.000 Because people want an escape.

01:33:21.000 They want something funny.

01:33:23.000 And so I also wonder if maybe dark comedy becomes more popular when things are going well, but when things are difficult people don't want dark comedy as much because they're already seeing some of the bleakness of reality.

01:33:35.000 Yeah, that's why I don't watch horror movies because reality is horrifying enough when I think about the economy.

01:33:41.000 No, horror movies, horror is my favorite genre, but it's just been lacking.

01:33:44.000 It's terrible.

01:33:45.000 All the time.

01:33:47.000 I loved the campy B-horror movies of the 80s.

01:33:49.000 I liked Dr. Sleep.

01:33:51.000 That was a good one, yeah.

01:33:52.000 That's a sequel, right?

01:33:54.000 What was that a sequel for?

01:33:55.000 The Shining.

01:33:56.000 Yeah, that was pretty good.

01:33:58.000 Stephen King's kind of a weird guy, though.

01:33:59.000 He writes about kids in really creepy ways.

01:34:02.000 Yeah, I wish I wasn't so creepy.

01:34:04.000 That's a weird thing.

01:34:05.000 I don't think people understand that there was a joke in American Dad where they find a script for The Fast and the Furious or something and then they realize that in it there's a bunch of like gay erotica and so they take it out and they're like that can't be in there and then they bring it to the studio and they're like oh great hey wait a minute where's the gay erotica? 0.98

01:34:23.000 They're like, normally that's supposed to be in there.

01:34:25.000 And they're like, what?

01:34:26.000 So this, I think that's a play on Stephen King.

01:34:30.000 Cause a bunch of his books and stories, there's like really bad stuff in there.

01:34:34.000 And they're like, this is a great story.

01:34:35.000 Let's take that really offensive stuff out.

01:34:38.000 I think maybe you're the one who told me that.

01:34:39.000 Yes.

01:34:40.000 Geez.

01:34:41.000 I'm not talking about it online, but that's, uh, he writes a graphic, a graphic section about children doing adult things.

01:34:48.000 And for no reason, just literally he's like, I'm now going to write this and it's going to be in the book.

01:34:52.000 And you're like, Why?

01:34:53.000 He also literally wrote a story that's just about a dude recalling No good.

01:35:01.000 Bad things happening to him.

01:35:03.000 And in extreme detail.

01:35:05.000 Like, wow.

01:35:07.000 I had a Stephen King book, because when Secret Window came out, I was like, I liked it.

01:35:13.000 And then I was like, I heard that the story was actually a little different.

01:35:16.000 So I got the book that had the collection in it, and I'm like, I'll start reading it.

01:35:19.000 And then I just threw the book, and I was like, well, what is wrong with that man?

01:35:23.000 Yeah, like, he...

01:35:25.000 Twisted horror.

01:35:26.000 They say horror, it's okay.

01:35:27.000 Like violence is fine.

01:35:30.000 Nudity, fine. 0.97

01:35:31.000 But as soon as it's like graphic sex on kids, not fine. 0.96

01:35:35.000 Still horrifying, but it's a little too close to home.

01:35:38.000 What is it?

01:35:39.000 Because they think it's brainwashing people and making them more towards that?

01:35:42.000 Like a horror movie is making people more violent?

01:35:46.000 I don't know.

01:35:47.000 I mean, you could definitely have a debate about whether or not that's healthy entertainment, I guess, even with just straight horror movies, though.

01:35:53.000 I mean, it's never been my favorite genre.

01:35:55.000 I always just feel weird watching people, like, you know, for entertainment, like, slaughter each other.

01:36:00.000 I don't know.

01:36:00.000 Like, if it's a context like war, if it's Braveheart, you know, and they're, like, carving each other up on the battlefield, it's different than, like, a chainsaw massacre.

01:36:09.000 Yes, okay, so that's a really important point, right?

01:36:12.000 Context matters.

01:36:12.000 So in Band of Brothers, there's a lot of violence, but there has to be because they're trying to give you an accurate depiction of the Second World War.

01:36:19.000 Right.

01:36:19.000 But that's not the same as, we're just gonna have gratuitous violence because we love violence.

01:36:24.000 We're gonna go to Super Chats!

01:36:25.000 If you have not already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and share the show with your friends.

01:36:30.000 Head over to TimCast.com and become a member because we're gonna have that not-so-family-friendly, uncensored episode coming up at 11 p.m.

01:36:37.000 tonight.

01:36:38.000 Now we will read your super chats.

01:36:41.000 DanibusX says, encourage your followers to contact their senators to attach an amendment to repeal the Hughes Amendment to the new gun control bill.

01:36:49.000 What does that one do?

01:36:50.000 What's the Hughes Amendment?

01:36:50.000 Don't know.

01:36:51.000 How about every single person just calls your senator or congressman nonstop saying, do not sign on to this bill?

01:37:01.000 Organize at a time, a specific time on a specific day, and then repeat that.

01:37:05.000 It's super powerful.

01:37:07.000 Can you call them personally?

01:37:08.000 I doubt it.

01:37:11.000 I think you can only call their office.

01:37:13.000 It might be considered harassment if you call their home phone or something.

01:37:16.000 Would it be?

01:37:18.000 I would feel like I'm getting harassed if people are calling my home phone.

01:37:20.000 Joshua Harrison says leftists just stormed the Wisconsin state capitol over abortion rights.

01:37:25.000 Never forget 622.

01:37:25.000 That's right.

01:37:26.000 I saw that.

01:37:27.000 Never forget.

01:37:29.000 They went inside?

01:37:31.000 Yep.

01:37:31.000 Filled it up.

01:37:32.000 It was an insurrection.

01:37:33.000 529.

01:37:33.000 You remember the 529 insurrection.

01:37:35.000 You didn't forget, did you?

01:37:36.000 Didn't forget.

01:37:37.000 529.

01:37:37.000 You know, you remember the 529 insurrection.

01:37:39.000 You didn't forget, did you?

01:37:40.000 Didn't forget.

01:37:41.000 529.

01:37:41.000 That's right.

01:37:42.000 Never, never forget.

01:37:43.000 Falcon laser says, get Tulsi Gabbard on after the Mines Festival.

01:37:48.000 Uh, I'll ask!

01:37:49.000 Uh, we're gonna be on a panel together.

01:37:50.000 Yeah, if you guys didn't know, uh, this Saturday in New York City, festival.minds.com, we're going to be, uh, speaking.

01:37:57.000 It's gonna be a really awesome event, and I'm gonna be on a panel, I think?

01:38:00.000 I think it's Tulsi, right?

01:38:01.000 I think you are, yeah.

01:38:02.000 James O'Keefe, Tulsi, me, Ben Burgess, and, uh, it's gonna be comedy.

01:38:05.000 It's gonna be great.

01:38:06.000 There's gonna be some stand-up.

01:38:07.000 Gonna be a lot of people there.

01:38:09.000 Uh, Seth, you're gonna be there, I think?

01:38:10.000 I'll be there too, yeah.

01:38:10.000 That's right.

01:38:11.000 It's a great lineup.

01:38:12.000 Yeah, it's a big theater.

01:38:14.000 It's a nice venue, yeah.

01:38:15.000 Beacon Theater in New York.

01:38:17.000 Yeah, festival.minds.com.

01:38:19.000 Get your tickets.

01:38:20.000 And there's even like a free ticket form if you're hurting and you really want to go, because we want to get people to show up.

01:38:26.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:38:30.000 Okay.

01:38:32.000 Rogaldorn says, why not just recall the rhinos, get them out of office?

01:38:36.000 Senators can't be recalled.

01:38:37.000 Sorry.

01:38:38.000 They get in for six years, they sit there, and then they just spit in your face.

01:38:41.000 There's a problem.

01:38:42.000 Yep.

01:38:46.000 The KL Tanker says, went to buy my first handgun in California today.

01:38:49.000 Wearing my inflation is theft shirt.

01:38:52.000 Going to go back tomorrow to use the range and officially buy it.

01:38:55.000 Thinking about wearing my, if you trust the government shirt, we are change.org.

01:38:59.000 Very good shirts, by the way.

01:39:02.000 All right, Smokey Joe says, Hey Tim, nearly everyone accepts some degree of limits on speech, including you and I. So how do you rationalize being a 2A absolutist while being a 1A relativist?

01:39:14.000 Appreciate y'all, love you, Seamus.

01:39:16.000 Because the First Amendment, first of all, it covers a variety of things.

01:39:20.000 And we're trying to understand what it means that the right to free speech shall not be infringed, right?

01:39:26.000 What is free speech referring to?

01:39:29.000 The expression of your ideas and politics should not be infringed by the government.

01:39:34.000 That doesn't mean you can orchestrate crime.

01:39:36.000 That's not.

01:39:39.000 Now there's a challenge there, and I've brought this up.

01:39:42.000 Because if the government just makes certain things crimes, then they can continually infringe upon your right to express your political opinions.

01:39:48.000 So I've often said, I'm not entirely sure there can be limits on free speech in that case.

01:39:53.000 And perhaps as many other 1A absolutists or free speech absolutists have said, only the direct action itself should be the crime.

01:40:01.000 There's a good point there.

01:40:03.000 As for the right to keep and bear arms, it says, the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

01:40:07.000 It exists.

01:40:07.000 There it is.

01:40:08.000 And arms refers to the same weapons the government has.

01:40:10.000 That's it.

01:40:11.000 We know exactly what they mean.

01:40:13.000 We know what they meant when they wrote it.

01:40:15.000 So the issue, I suppose, is they're two different things.

01:40:17.000 I don't know.

01:40:19.000 You guys have thoughts on that?

01:40:19.000 Yeah, thinking of speech and action, the difference between like, no, it's only illegal if you do the action.

01:40:24.000 Speech is a form of action.

01:40:26.000 It requires you to make your body act to make the speech.

01:40:29.000 And then if you record it, especially, that's some big action.

01:40:33.000 So it's, you know, you can definitely, you can definitely speak things, you know, that's a form of it.

01:40:39.000 I think one way to put it is, There are questions around the legality of orchestrating crime.

01:40:45.000 You know, being the person who provides the mental capacity for a crime to be carried out.

01:40:49.000 Some people have the brute force and the strength or the willingness to take action, physical action against another person, but not the wherewithal or mental capacity.

01:40:57.000 And then you serving as a vehicle to drive people or enable them to do it.

01:41:01.000 There's a question there.

01:41:03.000 Keeping a gun, you've committed no crime.

01:41:05.000 The fact that I have a gun does not hurt anybody, does not infringe on anyone else's rights, it is not a threat to anybody, I have done nothing wrong.

01:41:13.000 In what context are we talking about free speech rights, though?

01:41:15.000 Are we talking about them on, like, YouTube, social media?

01:41:18.000 In public.

01:41:19.000 You know, the Constitution.

01:41:20.000 Can the government infringe upon?

01:41:22.000 Yeah.

01:41:22.000 I think that's a great question.

01:41:23.000 Because on YouTube, I think of this a lot, like, daily.

01:41:26.000 What's free speech on YouTube?

01:41:28.000 YouTube's a corporation.

01:41:29.000 They can shut down anyone at any time.

01:41:31.000 And if the government's to come in and say, no, corporation, you've got to do what we say, well, that's kind of fascist of our government to get involved.

01:41:38.000 So like, I'm like, what does it mean?

01:41:39.000 What does free speech on the internet even mean with private companies owning the place?

01:41:45.000 There's been like, there was a Supreme Court justice back in an old case going way back in like, it was Marsh versus Alabama.

01:41:50.000 It had to do with like this company town, and it was a privately owned company town.

01:41:55.000 And the question was whether or not you had free speech rights in this town because it's owned by a corporation.

01:42:00.000 And they said yes.

01:42:01.000 And they said, yes, you do have free speech there because the town is performing all the functions that the government normally would.

01:42:07.000 And so no one's really been successful in taking that argument and moving it to social media.

01:42:12.000 But one of the opinions in that, one of the justices, Justice Black, wrote something about how The more you open up, as a private person, the more you open up your property or your business to the public, the more you kind of give up some of your rights to allow for some of theirs to flourish.

01:42:32.000 So they have their own rights, both statutory rights and constitutional rights, and you're allowing them on your platform, your property, or whatever.

01:42:40.000 And so places of public accommodation have to accommodate the statutory and constitutional rights of the people that are there.

01:42:47.000 That's one of the arguments that was made in that case in particular.

01:42:50.000 I don't see any reason why that shouldn't apply to social media companies.

01:42:54.000 Occupy Wall Street famously had a lawsuit.

01:42:57.000 Many people were like, Zuccotti Park is private property.

01:43:00.000 And then there was a lawsuit and the courts were like, but it's open to the public, so protest is allowed.

01:43:05.000 And then they couldn't evict the protesters.

01:43:06.000 They eventually evicted the protesters on sanitation grounds or something like that.

01:43:09.000 But this is why the Chase Plaza, about a block away, shut down to the public because they didn't want Occupy Wall Street taking over their public plaza.

01:43:16.000 Privately owned.

01:43:18.000 The occupiers also went beneath the Deutsche Bank building, which was another privately owned public space because they knew they were legally allowed to now occupy these spaces.

01:43:26.000 That's how it works.

01:43:27.000 I see Twitter as being no different.

01:43:28.000 All right.

01:43:30.000 Gadsden says, Tim, you talk about national divorce, civil war all the time.

01:43:33.000 I wrote a book about exactly that.

01:43:35.000 Can I send a copy of it to your P.O.

01:43:36.000 Box?

01:43:37.000 Yes.

01:43:38.000 It's called National Divorce, a Practical Plan to Prevent Civil War. 0.80

01:43:41.000 It's available on Amazon as well.

01:43:43.000 Interesting.

01:43:44.000 Very cool.

01:43:44.000 We have paused the fan mail for the time being.

01:43:48.000 I'm not sure if sending something to the P.O.

01:43:50.000 Box we'll get through or not, but you're welcome to send it.

01:43:54.000 All right.

01:43:56.000 Butter Warrior says, Tim, thank you for being liberal, for I am conservative.

01:44:00.000 Seamus, thank you for being pious, for I am on the road.

01:44:03.000 And my Jesus-looking man, I drank gin and tonic and I had clairvoyance.

01:44:07.000 My gal, stay you. 1.00

01:44:09.000 Well, all right.

01:44:10.000 I like that.

01:44:10.000 Sweet.

01:44:11.000 You Denton says Seamus got it. Even liberals don't believe these common sense gun laws will

01:44:18.000 solve anything. It's all incremental steps towards a gun free utopia. 0.84

01:44:22.000 Yeah, and don't you think don't you think it should be mandated if you're trying to push

01:44:26.000 for legislation after tragedy to explain how that legislation would have prevented what just happened?

01:44:32.000 Right.

01:44:33.000 But they don't.

01:44:34.000 Because that's not their goal.

01:44:35.000 Their goal is to get your guns.

01:44:36.000 It'll affect law-abiding people.

01:44:38.000 And there were already laws in place that should have stopped that from happening.

01:44:42.000 That didn't.

01:44:43.000 Exactly.

01:44:44.000 All right.

01:44:45.000 Miner says, Tim, I've been wondering for a while, why don't you use music at the start when the show goes live?

01:44:51.000 It would give an audible clue that it started.

01:44:54.000 Sure.

01:44:55.000 That's a good idea.

01:44:56.000 Yeah.

01:44:56.000 For a while, we were just, uh, we would just go live and then, you know, go live, but then YouTube auto plays an ad for a lot of people.

01:45:03.000 So then many people would miss like the first 30 seconds.

01:45:05.000 So now we wait a minute.

01:45:07.000 So we can, we can do that, I suppose.

01:45:11.000 Jason Takes says, My wife had our second daughter this morning, named her Lydia in part because of how sweet and awesome Sour Patch Lids is.

01:45:19.000 I'm the second daughter?

01:45:20.000 If only she knew how you really were.

01:45:22.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:45:23.000 Okay, shut up Seamus. 0.99

01:45:24.000 I'm the second daughter! 0.99

01:45:25.000 That makes me so happy.

01:45:26.000 That's adorable.

01:45:27.000 Congratulations.

01:45:30.000 That is wonderful though.

01:45:31.000 Russell says you need to push for a recall for all these rhinos, Tim.

01:45:34.000 Let's not wait for the next election.

01:45:35.000 Senators can't be recalled.

01:45:37.000 How amazing is that?

01:45:38.000 Members of Congress can.

01:45:39.000 So great.

01:45:40.000 And should be.

01:45:41.000 So all of those Congress people who are voting for this stuff, recall them.

01:45:45.000 Svetov.

01:45:46.000 Alright.

01:45:47.000 Friedrich, Frederick, Friedrich Borman says, Hello Tim and crew, I am once again asking

01:45:52.000 you to invite Russian libertarian Mikhail Svetov.

01:45:55.000 You can reach him on Twitter at M Svetov.

01:45:57.000 He's very knowledgeable and knows a whole lot about American politics.

01:46:00.000 Interesting.

01:46:01.000 Is he in America?

01:46:02.000 I'll have to check him out.

01:46:06.000 A06 says, Tim, could you look up the court case?

01:46:10.000 Coniglia v. Strom, the Supreme Court already voted on it in a 9-0 decision, and it supposedly might already refute red flag laws.

01:46:18.000 Interesting.

01:46:19.000 Really?

01:46:19.000 When was that?

01:46:21.000 Well, let's take a look into it.

01:46:24.000 All right.

01:46:24.000 JD Russell says, I've enjoyed the previous theological discussions on the Members Only show.

01:46:28.000 You guys should have on Joel Richardson, author of The Islamic Antichrist.

01:46:32.000 He would bring a unique perspective on current events and biblical prophecy.

01:46:36.000 Interesting.

01:46:39.000 You guys at the Babylon Bee should probably just publish lottery numbers at this point.

01:46:42.000 It'll just be like, sooner or later.

01:46:44.000 Was that a comment?

01:46:45.000 Did you just read that comment?

01:46:46.000 No, no, I'm just saying.

01:46:47.000 The Babylon Bee who publish lottery numbers under the guise of satire.

01:46:51.000 Here, I'll say it right now, right here.

01:46:52.000 If you become a premium subscriber today, we'll publish lottery numbers just for you.

01:46:57.000 Premium subscribers only.

01:46:58.000 Gonna sign it.

01:47:00.000 We'll give you the fortune numbers.

01:47:04.000 Alright, Nate Wotring says, Tim, you moved to the middle of nowhere in West Virginia, yet you compare the weather of Miami to West Virginia?

01:47:10.000 Dude, Florida's so much bigger than Miami, lol.

01:47:13.000 Yeah.

01:47:14.000 Like all of Florida is hot though.

01:47:16.000 I know Miami is like particularly bad, but yeah, like West Virginia, it's just, you get seasons, you know, it's not that bad.

01:47:25.000 It was 72 the other night.

01:47:26.000 It was just the perfect, perfect temperature.

01:47:28.000 We had like three days.

01:47:30.000 You just do what the snowbirds do.

01:47:31.000 They come down there, they're there when it's like cool and nice.

01:47:34.000 And then they leave for the summer and escape and they go somewhere north.

01:47:37.000 They go to the mountains, they go somewhere else.

01:47:39.000 That's basically what Luke does.

01:47:40.000 Yeah.

01:47:41.000 Yeah.

01:47:41.000 He like shows up and everyone's like, I wonder why he's back.

01:47:43.000 And it's like, he's migrating.

01:47:44.000 Yeah.

01:47:44.000 You know, he's got a flying north.

01:47:45.000 Migratory bird.

01:47:46.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:47:47.000 Fly south for the winter.

01:47:49.000 All right.

01:47:50.000 Let's grab some more of these super chats.

01:47:53.000 Nate Woodworth says, Joni Ernst is my Senator.

01:47:56.000 I'm 24.

01:47:57.000 She was the first Senator I ever voted for.

01:47:58.000 I'm so mad.

01:47:59.000 I'm looking into how, what I need to run against her and I will.

01:48:03.000 Wow.

01:48:03.000 Yes.

01:48:04.000 Do it.

01:48:04.000 Bravo.

01:48:05.000 Absolutely.

01:48:08.000 Western Canadian Commentary says, Tim, you keep saying it's a choice between Trump or DeSantis, but why not both?

01:48:12.000 Give Trump second term in 24, then DeSantis in 28.

01:48:15.000 Let Trump drain the swamp, then DeSantis brings America into a golden age.

01:48:18.000 Keep up the great work.

01:48:19.000 I agree.

01:48:20.000 A Trump-DeSantis ticket?

01:48:21.000 I don't know.

01:48:21.000 What do you think?

01:48:21.000 Hmm.

01:48:23.000 Would they work together?

01:48:23.000 I don't know.

01:48:24.000 Would they want that?

01:48:26.000 You know, they gotta be on board with that.

01:48:27.000 I don't know.

01:48:27.000 Yeah.

01:48:28.000 I have no idea how.

01:48:29.000 They have been, like, photographed at events together, like, in recent times, I guess, so.

01:48:33.000 I'm thinking it's gonna be DeSantis.

01:48:35.000 Mm-hmm.

01:48:36.000 Yeah, because, like, predict it has DeSantis winning right now.

01:48:38.000 Some polls are coming out.

01:48:40.000 And I think there are good reasons for that, right?

01:48:42.000 Regardless of whether you want to attribute this to the deep state stopping Trump or the political establishment not letting him do what he needed to do, we have seen DeSantis effectively govern after COVID hit and after the left tried shutting the entire economy down and started rioting and all the shenanigans they've been up to.

01:49:00.000 We really haven't seen the same from Trump.

01:49:01.000 He's been gone.

01:49:02.000 And when he was in office, he wasn't able to achieve the things he wanted to in those circumstances, whereas DeSantis has been able to.

01:49:09.000 I'm not saying it's the same scenario, but I am saying it's reasonable that people would be more trusting of DeSantis after that.

01:49:15.000 Brand new Clown World says a simple thing I do in terms of culture jamming is making stickers.

01:49:19.000 All it takes is vinyl sticker paper and a cheap inkjet printer.

01:49:23.000 I go to my local skate park or dive bar and slap on a Bare Shelf Biden or One Nation Controlled by the Media sticker.

01:49:32.000 Yeah, we got criticized, some leftist outlet, because we have proof-of-gun stickers.

01:49:39.000 I love it.

01:49:39.000 Where it's like the proof-of-vaccination card, but it says proof-of-gun, and then it's like, write down what gun you had, and they were like, he has fake gun declaration forms or whatever.

01:49:47.000 Yeah, someone's real likely to think that's real.

01:49:50.000 I don't know about that, they just thought it was like, how dare you?

01:49:54.000 Whatever.

01:49:55.000 Colby Browns as Tim Bravo putting West Virginia Senator on blast.

01:49:58.000 Don't forget McConnell giving in on the debt ceiling and infrastructure leading to inflation.

01:50:03.000 This blow up the phone lines and let them know what you think.

01:50:08.000 Yes. 0.92

01:50:09.000 But I've... Mitch McConnell is awful.

01:50:11.000 We need better leadership.

01:50:13.000 The Republican Party is the Republican Party.

01:50:15.000 A bunch of new populist libertarian types came into the Republican Party because of Donald Trump.

01:50:22.000 And now many of them are just like, I can't believe Mitch McConnell would do this to us.

01:50:26.000 I don't understand why someone like DeSantis doesn't inspire more people to have a backbone like him.

01:50:33.000 Look at the response.

01:50:35.000 He's in a conversation right now and he's head-to-head or ahead in polls against Trump for running for president.

01:50:42.000 Well, why?

01:50:43.000 Because he hasn't been spineless and rolled over and let the left just do whatever.

01:50:47.000 He stands up to them.

01:50:49.000 I just don't see how that's not replicated.

01:50:52.000 Why do people on the right, why do Republicans think that the best thing to do is appease the left when obviously what DeSantis is doing is working?

01:51:01.000 Yeah.

01:51:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:51:02.000 And it's not even just a question of what DeSantis is doing working, though it obviously does.

01:51:06.000 How can you, A, see what DeSantis is doing, and B, see what, like, Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney are doing, and go like, yeah, you know what?

01:51:12.000 I'm gonna be like those guys.

01:51:14.000 Right, right.

01:51:16.000 Yeah, I mean, you've got right now on Predictive, DeSantis is beating Trump, and if you've got this narrative that Trump controls the party but DeSantis is starting to pull ahead in the polls, clearly he's doing something right.

01:51:27.000 These Republicans should be like, as you said, emulate DeSantis to win.

01:51:31.000 Right.

01:51:32.000 Exactly. 0.87

01:51:33.000 Well, you know, maybe they're just not smart people.

01:51:35.000 How about that? 0.59

01:51:37.000 All right.

01:51:38.000 The one free man says, Tim, there are a lot of wealthy people not doing anything.

01:51:42.000 Wait, there are a lot of wealthy people not doing anything.

01:51:44.000 Klaus Schwab and Soros hold our beer.

01:51:47.000 That's right.

01:51:48.000 Yeah, you see, unfortunately, all the rich people who are actually doing stuff and our culture warriors are doing it in bad ways.

01:51:54.000 Against us.

01:51:55.000 Yeah.

01:51:56.000 Like, it's cool that Elon Musk is trying to buy Twitter, but it would not be difficult for him to start a media organization or invest in someone starting something or to prop up anyone challenging the narrative.

01:52:12.000 He could uncancel people.

01:52:14.000 He could be like, I'll put $10 million towards comedy shows.

01:52:21.000 I will guarantee that the industry exists.

01:52:24.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:52:25.000 Like, do that.

01:52:27.000 We're talking about doing a new kind of award.

01:52:30.000 There's people doing that, by the way, trying to uncancel.

01:52:32.000 Daily Wire's uncanceled some people.

01:52:33.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

01:52:35.000 I came to the aid of the libs of TikTok Girl, who I won't name here, when she was being doxxed and taken out.

01:52:41.000 The Daily Wire, they're building themselves up from the ground up.

01:52:45.000 They're building this big empire.

01:52:47.000 There are people who are already on the top of these big towers, who purport to believe in a lot of the same things, who could snap their fingers and- Yeah, they have resources.

01:52:56.000 But they don't do it.

01:52:57.000 Yeah.

01:52:57.000 You know?

01:52:58.000 They do some stuff, but I'll tell you one of the things I've encountered is that a lot of the people who actually have the money don't understand cultural issues.

01:53:06.000 And so they keep approaching things from this tech perspective where they're like, you know, look, to be honest, like even buying Twitter, I think is great, but I think it shows the kind of, it shows the worldview of Elon Musk.

01:53:17.000 The solution is buying Twitter.

01:53:19.000 Well, buying Twitter is a nuclear bomb in the culture war, but the issue is you need culture warriors to create culture, share culture, inspire young people.

01:53:27.000 Owning Twitter doesn't necessarily change what's going on.

01:53:29.000 But at least they'll be allowed to speak on his platform when he's managing it.

01:53:33.000 So it is good.

01:53:34.000 But I hear a lot from people, they're like, if we just build this new platform, and I'm like, that's not changing the culture.

01:53:39.000 It's not changing the fact that a large portion of millennials believe these things.

01:53:43.000 Well, and it also doesn't provide an alternative in the sense that you're not going to have people, like the people that are on Twitter right now, you have the full diverse spectrum of like viewpoints represented on Twitter right now.

01:53:53.000 You know, you've got people far left, far right, and everybody in between.

01:53:56.000 And if you build an alternative that's like, if Musk were to start an alternative that was like a free speech platform, he's like, hey, come join my free speech platform.

01:54:03.000 How many people on the left are going to join that platform?

01:54:05.000 Do they want a free speech platform where, where there's no, where there's moderation, but not for what they consider misinformation or hate speech?

01:54:13.000 Of course not.

01:54:14.000 Yeah, I think you gotta free the software code.

01:54:16.000 The only way you can really get free speech is let people build their own networks with the code.

01:54:20.000 It's, I guess, later.

01:54:22.000 JT says, Tim, don't rent space on billboards, buy the billboard.

01:54:26.000 Buy it, put up your message and leave it up forever.

01:54:30.000 Okay.

01:54:31.000 But it's probably just not cost effective.

01:54:34.000 What if instead of billboards you put shirts on people?

01:54:36.000 You know, you just pay people to wear your shirt that has your message on it.

01:54:40.000 Just send them out in large groups or something.

01:54:42.000 Find a homeless shelter nearby Charleston and give them like 500 shirts of all different sizes of each. 0.92

01:54:48.000 Like there's 5,000 shirts and they're giving away all these shirts that just say, you know, Shelly is trash or whatever. 0.98

01:54:53.000 That'd be hilarious.

01:54:55.000 And then they're like, but they're free shirts and these people really need to wear them.

01:54:58.000 It's like, all of a sudden there's home.

01:54:59.000 No, no, no.

01:55:01.000 If they're gonna give it to homeless people, it's gotta be something like more political about why are there homeless people in this place in the first place?

01:55:09.000 Why is this place suffering?

01:55:11.000 And then point to the Senator who's supposed to be doing right by the people.

01:55:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:55:15.000 Right, right.

01:55:16.000 Then you're getting more political, I guess, though.

01:55:17.000 You could be like, it's their fault I'm here wearing this shirt.

01:55:20.000 Thank them.

01:55:22.000 Bad leadership.

01:55:25.000 Alright, Mr. Devilman says Ben Franklin was a boss.

01:55:27.000 While in England during the war as a diplomat, he hired his own private fleet of pirates to hit English supply ships.

01:55:34.000 Wow.

01:55:35.000 That's crazy.

01:55:37.000 Good for him, I suppose.

01:55:39.000 Yeah.

01:55:40.000 Good for Ben.

01:55:41.000 You know, one of the things is, by the way, on the free speech stuff and Twitter and Musk and all that stuff, one thing that I don't know if you guys have talked about it much here, but I feel like it doesn't get talked enough about enough is the fact that these platforms like Twitter, for example, they give you all the tools you need to decide who you're going to listen to.

01:55:58.000 Like I can mute or block anybody.

01:56:01.000 I don't have to see.

01:56:02.000 If you start saying stuff that I don't like, I can stop seeing it without taking away your voice.

01:56:07.000 It's about taking away your voice.

01:56:09.000 That's what they want to do.

01:56:10.000 Yeah.

01:56:10.000 But, but, but it's like, it's, it's just insane.

01:56:12.000 You're right.

01:56:13.000 That's what it's about.

01:56:14.000 But if it's, but ultimately it's like the tools are there for you to like, if it's a, if it was really about having a safe space and not being exposed to that stuff, the tools are there to protect yourself right now.

01:56:25.000 So it has to be about taking away your voice.

01:56:26.000 An issue I've had is if I mute somebody, and then someone responds to them, I see the response, and the person I muted is tagged in it, and I'm like, I don't want to think about that person, that's why I muted them.

01:56:37.000 So, come on, fix that Twitter. 1.00

01:56:38.000 Keep muting everybody.

01:56:39.000 Mute all the threads where that name is popping up.

01:56:42.000 Yeah, it can become a lot of work.

01:56:43.000 Or put that option on.

01:56:44.000 Yeah.

01:56:44.000 Alright, EgoLitster?

01:56:48.000 The Bee did a great article on our church and baptizing via water slides.

01:56:52.000 Tim, as a member, I'm asking that you buy up all the billboards.

01:56:55.000 Love you all.

01:56:55.000 Awesome.

01:56:56.000 Baptizing by water slides.

01:56:58.000 A lot of people thought that was real.

01:57:00.000 Really?

01:57:00.000 Yeah.

01:57:01.000 Including one of our employees.

01:57:02.000 She now works for us, but she admitted when we hired her that she originally thought that article was real.

01:57:06.000 Wow.

01:57:07.000 That's great.

01:57:08.000 Well, you know, now Snopes is sounding convincing.

01:57:11.000 You need to be taken off the internet.

01:57:14.000 Yep.

01:57:16.000 Joe Messinic says, dead internet, Alexa will soon be able to read stories as your dead grandma. 0.95

01:57:22.000 Yep.

01:57:22.000 Tech crunch.

01:57:23.000 Yeah, and I think I was reading that Facebook can take a person's profile and then create an AI chatbot based on their life and knowledge and talk to you like, you know, it's like, your grandpa dies.

01:57:33.000 That's so eerie.

01:57:33.000 It's gonna be like, hey grandpa, and it'll be like, what's up?

01:57:36.000 I'm a ghost.

01:57:36.000 And you'll be like, whoa.

01:57:38.000 That's what you'll say to him?

01:57:39.000 Yeah.

01:57:39.000 Whoa.

01:57:40.000 It's those algorithms that should be free.

01:57:42.000 Sounds like you're the AI.

01:57:43.000 I am.

01:57:44.000 Having that much manipulation over the populace is irksome.

01:57:49.000 I think that's the code that needs to be freed.

01:57:52.000 For people to have access to it, at least to see what it's doing.

01:57:54.000 The Alexa comment though, is that because Alexa's been listening so much?

01:57:58.000 Is that why it's able to...

01:57:59.000 Well, they were talking about you can have a custom Alexa voice, because I guess it's just based on hearing samples of someone speaking, Alexa will be able to imitate their voice.

01:58:09.000 Who knows how well they'll be able to do it, or it will be able to do it.

01:58:14.000 That's weird.

01:58:15.000 Alicia Z. Del Valle says, I think Louis C.K.

01:58:19.000 said that he felt we were actually closer as a society when people mocked each other about race and physical appearance in general.

01:58:26.000 I thought that was kind of funny, lol.

01:58:29.000 Yeah, I mean, arguably, yes.

01:58:31.000 When people were doing these jokes, we weren't on the verge of tearing each other apart and burning everything to the ground, right?

01:58:36.000 Well, I think it's a chicken or egg style question.

01:58:38.000 So if you're not close with somebody and they start making offensive jokes about you, you're going to be less likely to laugh, especially if they're an enemy and there's been tension there.

01:58:48.000 But if you're friends with somebody and they poke some fun at you, you're probably going to laugh.

01:58:51.000 They can get away with a lot more.

01:58:53.000 So, I think being able to joke about those things is the sign of a very healthy society, because the people in the society actually believe that the person poking fun at them doesn't mean them any harm.

01:59:03.000 Today, that's very clearly not the case.

01:59:05.000 And I'm not sure if it's not the case because we can't joke about it.

01:59:08.000 I think it's probably the case just because tensions have been heightened for other reasons, but the lack of humor is certainly a symptom.

01:59:18.000 All right.

01:59:19.000 Danibus X says, the Hughes Amendment banned the manufacture of machine guns for civilian use in 1986.

01:59:24.000 Ah, that one.

01:59:25.000 Yes.

01:59:25.000 Yes, we should get rid of that.

01:59:26.000 Yes. 1.00

01:59:27.000 That's stupid. 1.00

01:59:29.000 All right. 1.00

01:59:30.000 Young Jaws, Young Jev says, killer clowns from outer space. 0.95

01:59:33.000 That's, that is all I am. 0.95

01:59:36.000 That is all.

01:59:36.000 I am a gorilla.

01:59:37.000 Oh, okay.

01:59:37.000 All right.

01:59:40.000 Let's see, Vulciferon, Herald of the Winter Mist, says Article 1, Section 27 of the Oregon Constitution states, The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the state, but the military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power.

01:59:54.000 Interesting.

01:59:55.000 Wow.

01:59:56.000 It's not going too well up there, I suppose.

01:59:58.000 No.

02:00:01.000 Matthew Gregor says, check out St.

02:00:03.000 Philip Neri.

02:00:04.000 He literally hung out with the dregs of Italy making jokes that were the punchline... jokes that were... Where? 1.00

02:00:12.000 Where the punchline was their sin.

02:00:13.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

02:00:16.000 The joke caused them to see the reality of the life they were living.

02:00:20.000 Wow.

02:00:20.000 Interesting.

02:00:22.000 Amos Moses says, gotta move to Oklahoma.

02:00:24.000 We banned red flag laws two years ago.

02:00:26.000 Nebraska sounds pretty nice too.

02:00:27.000 So does Missouri.

02:00:29.000 Yeah.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, yep.

02:00:33.000 It's really funny seeing the left come out and defend the drag queen story hour thing.

02:00:36.000 Making kids to drag shows is not bad on Alex Stein's page.

02:00:40.000 This is madness.

02:00:42.000 Bad is good and good is bad.

02:00:44.000 It's really funny seeing the left come out and defend the drag queen story hour thing.

02:00:49.000 And it's like, it's funny because I saw this leftist journalist post something being like,

02:00:54.000 can we, can we, no, no, no.

02:00:55.000 I think it was, yeah, they said something like, can we make the distinction between,

02:01:00.000 you know, drag shows that are stripping and drag queens just reading books. 1.00

02:01:04.000 And I'm just like, oh yeah, because having a go-go dancer read your kids books is, is, is fine?

02:01:09.000 Like, I'm pretty sure parents would not be okay with that either.

02:01:11.000 Well, I mean, look, 10 years ago, if someone was a drag queen during their off time and they were let into a school to read a book to children, that would be a controversy.

02:01:20.000 Today, they're doing it in drag and you're told you have to accept it.

02:01:23.000 What makes someone a queen? 0.89

02:01:25.000 Like a drag queen? 1.00

02:01:25.000 Because if I put on a dress, I'd technically be in drag. 1.00

02:01:28.000 That's kind of the definition of the phrase.

02:01:30.000 Well, it's very specific, like full costume, foam hips, big makeup.

02:01:34.000 That's what makes that the queen? 0.96

02:01:35.000 The drag queen is when they put on the makeup and stuff? 1.00

02:01:37.000 I guess.

02:01:38.000 I mean, it's like... It's like, what is the purpose, you know?

02:01:42.000 And they actually have a stated purpose for what they're doing.

02:01:45.000 It's to like... It's to, like, stimulate the queer imagination or something like that in children. 0.67

02:01:52.000 And it's like, That's literally grooming.

02:01:54.000 And yeah, and this is all over public libraries and schools and schools are signed on to this stuff.

02:01:58.000 And I'm just thinking to myself, you know, like, how do drag queens, whether it's inappropriate, whatever, it's a man dressed as a woman. 0.81

02:02:05.000 It's always that way.

02:02:06.000 You know, it's always a man dressed as a woman. 0.99

02:02:08.000 How does that do anything but distract from storytime?

02:02:11.000 What's the point of story time?

02:02:12.000 Just have the drag queen, like, perform. 1.00

02:02:14.000 The argument they made is that drag queens are in costume, and it's theatrics. 1.00

02:02:18.000 They're reading a story in character.

02:02:21.000 And my argument right back is, like, drag shows have a set standard of what they are.

02:02:27.000 It is, they walk around, they take tips from the audience.

02:02:30.000 It is comparable to go-go dancing.

02:02:33.000 if we said go go dancing for kids parents would be like excuse me we can put a pole in the room too and they can do that because the drag queens have been doing the same kinds of dancing they've done some of that yeah and and parents would probably be like hey wait a minute but the left is jumping over themselves to defend this because it's tribal issues right but we'll we'll if we'll leave it there if you haven't already Smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.

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02:03:24.000 Right on.

02:03:25.000 I just saw the video Seamus did with the Babylon Bee, it was hilarious.

02:03:28.000 Oh, the one from the Rod Butch's Debate Tactics?

02:03:31.000 Yeah, that one was hilarious.

02:03:34.000 Thank you.

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