Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Hamas BEHEADED BABIES According To Reports, US Offers Special Forces w-Max Blumenthal

00:00:00.000 This is a serious story that's been circulating and already the internet is up in arms over

00:00:19.000 whether or not they believe it, with many people who are pro-Israel saying, how could

00:00:23.000 you not?

00:00:24.000 The reporting coming out that babies had been beheaded by Hamas, and it sounds so extreme, it is, I mean this quite in a literal sense, it is unbelievable.

00:00:35.000 But Fox News is reporting it, I-24 initially reported it, and there are many people who are skeptical of this because of past testimony, the New York testimony in particular, back during, I think it was in the early 90s, when a young woman claimed that Saddam's forces were taking babies out of incubators.

00:00:53.000 So we're going to talk about the news that's coming out.

00:00:55.000 And obviously, this is a very, very complex issue that is extremely heated.

00:01:00.000 But of course, it is now on the forefront as U.S.

00:01:03.000 Special Forces are offering assistance over the hostages who have been taken by Hamas, which Biden says many may be American citizens.

00:01:11.000 Of course, there was a carrier group dispatched and fears that this could escalate into a more serious conflict.

00:01:17.000 And if we're seeing conflict now escalating to the point of U.S.

00:01:20.000 or other countries mobilizing, You know, maybe we're at the point where we might say World War III.

00:01:26.000 They've been saying that about Ukraine for some time now, but when we get, you know, conflict at this level in various regions, if China then moves on Taiwan, things get really, really bad.

00:01:34.000 So, we'll talk about that, plus several other stories, but for the most part, I mean, this is the news that's dominating right now.

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00:02:54.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Max Blumenthal.

00:02:58.000 How's it going?

00:02:59.000 It's going good.

00:03:00.000 Who are you?

00:03:01.000 First of all, thank you for the malort.

00:03:03.000 Yes, uh, I cannot believe that Max came in and I said, we have water, we have, we have, uh, you know, some whiskey, and you can have whatever you want.

00:03:11.000 Most people don't drink these days, and he went, oh, I'll have the malort, and I was like, what?

00:03:15.000 So for those that don't know, Malort is a joke in Chicago.

00:03:19.000 It is considered to be not good.

00:03:21.000 We're just about to reveal the greatest secret right now because it's dope.

00:03:27.000 You like it?

00:03:28.000 I got hooked on it.

00:03:29.000 Most of my family is from Chicago and I just got hooked on it out there.

00:03:32.000 It's made out of wormwood.

00:03:33.000 It's like bathtub prohibition style liquor.

00:03:37.000 And it's a very acquired taste and so yeah, it was really a privilege to try that.

00:03:43.000 I am the editor and founder of TheGreyZone.com. 0.95

00:03:48.000 We're an independent website because you really can't say shit anywhere outside of independent media these days.

00:03:54.000 Most of the people I work with, all of them can't work in media and we focus Mostly on issues of empire, foreign policy. 0.94

00:04:02.000 We try to touch the third rail, say what other people, say what isn't being said.

00:04:07.000 And I think our work really speaks for itself.

00:04:10.000 And we try to focus on reporting investigative journalism and not, you know, striding commentary.

00:04:16.000 We do lots of video work.

00:04:17.000 We do a stream every week.

00:04:19.000 I've written four books.

00:04:20.000 I've done two books on Israel-Palestine.

00:04:22.000 Wow.

00:04:23.000 Goliath and the 51 Day War, where I covered The war in Gaza in 2014, which lasted for 51 days.

00:04:32.000 And I've done a documentary about that called Killing Gaza, which is free on YouTube.

00:04:38.000 You can find it at the Grayzone YouTube channel.

00:04:40.000 I directed it.

00:04:42.000 Dan Cohen did a lot of filming for it.

00:04:45.000 And we, I mean, Dan interviewed fighters from these Gaza factions about why they fight.

00:04:51.000 We interviewed people who have been We showed the whole spectrum of life in the Gaza Strip under siege.

00:04:59.000 And so, from that experience that I've had, I am not surprised at all by what's happening right now.

00:05:06.000 I'm not shocked, as upsetting as it is to watch, I'm not shocked at all.

00:05:11.000 So what you're saying is you're totally partisan, no one can trust you.

00:05:13.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:05:15.000 Well, I'm transparent.

00:05:18.000 And I think that's what people like, is they know where you're coming from.

00:05:21.000 Well, I think it'll be interesting to talk to you about it.

00:05:25.000 I'm biased, but we wouldn't have got anywhere at the Gray Zone if we weren't factual.

00:05:30.000 Um, but I obviously have a bias and that will come out in the next three hours.

00:05:34.000 I think it'll be, I think it'll be great.

00:05:35.000 So, uh, thanks for coming.

00:05:36.000 Thanks for this fun.

00:05:38.000 Right on.

00:05:38.000 We got Phil Labonte hanging out.

00:05:39.000 Hello everybody.

00:05:40.000 My name is Phil Labonte, very failed, uh, musician, vocalist for all that remains, anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:05:47.000 Hey guys, Ian Cross and I've had a powerful 24 hours.

00:05:50.000 I prayed to Jesus for the first time in my life last night.

00:05:52.000 Uh, actually no, last night, uh, was the second time I prayed to Jesus.

00:05:55.000 Last night I said, Jesus, what should I do?

00:05:58.000 And he said, go surfing.

00:06:00.000 And I was like, but I knew what he meant.

00:06:03.000 It was like, get healthy, go out on the water, get away from all the radiation, like get, find peace with yourself.

00:06:09.000 Ian got love bombed.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, and then the comments are like thousands of people like, finally you understand what it sounds like, what his voice sounds like.

00:06:15.000 And it's like, I get it.

00:06:16.000 I appreciate it.

00:06:17.000 Yes.

00:06:17.000 But I also prayed to Mohammed and I said, what?

00:06:19.000 I said, please help me.

00:06:20.000 And he said, no, it was this visualization of a knife.

00:06:23.000 Like his anger was palpable.

00:06:24.000 So I started listening to the Quran to understand how he thinks.

00:06:28.000 So that maybe I can have a more clear prayer union with him.

00:06:31.000 Well, you know.

00:06:32.000 Quite powerful.

00:06:33.000 Take your journey, man.

00:06:33.000 And also, it's interesting that in Gaza, Palestine, they had the 51-day war because I want to make Palestine the 51st American state.

00:06:40.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:06:41.000 I think this is the solution.

00:06:42.000 We're just here to offend everybody with the next show.

00:06:45.000 Disavow!

00:06:46.000 I want to make life good.

00:06:47.000 Good for those people.

00:06:48.000 I want to make it a high-tech place where people can thrive and communicate with their neighbors and live in peace.

00:06:52.000 We can have trade unions all working.

00:06:53.000 Disavow!

00:06:54.000 And it can be Islamic in nature.

00:06:55.000 It'll be wonderful.

00:06:56.000 I think Ian's probably just being a little hyperbolic to shock people.

00:07:00.000 Absolutely looking for a way.

00:07:00.000 I am desperate.

00:07:02.000 I think it's fair to say, no matter who you are, we want peace in the Middle East.

00:07:05.000 We want peace in the world.

00:07:06.000 But we'll get into it.

00:07:07.000 We've got Serge here.

00:07:09.000 Yeah, man.

00:07:10.000 You don't pray to Muhammad. 0.99

00:07:11.000 But, I mean, anyways, yeah.

00:07:13.000 Surge.gov today.

00:07:14.000 Fill in for Surge.com.

00:07:16.000 At least the way I'm dressed.

00:07:18.000 You can tell by the nice do.

00:07:20.000 Anyways, yeah, let's get into it, Tim.

00:07:21.000 Alright, here's the big story.

00:07:23.000 This is from Fox News.

00:07:24.000 They say, at least 40 babies, some beheaded, found by Israel soldiers in Hamas-attacked village.

00:07:32.000 IDF Major General Itay Varov described the scene in Kfar Azza as a massacre.

00:07:37.000 Israel's military has discovered unspeakable horrors in an Israeli community that was attacked by Hamas on Saturday, including dozens of dead babies, some with their heads chopped off, Israeli media reported.

00:07:46.000 According to local Israeli outlet I-24 News, IDF soldiers moved into Kfar Aza, one of the communities Hamas terrorists invaded early Saturday morning, and discovered about 40 dead babies, some decapitated.

00:07:58.000 They say it several times before the article gets started.

00:08:01.000 The IDF were removing the bodies of victims found in the area when they found the children's remains.

00:08:05.000 Israeli soldiers are attempting to use bones to identify the victims, according to the report.

00:08:09.000 It's not a war, it's not a battlefield.

00:08:11.000 You see the babies, the mother, the father, in their bedrooms, in their protection rooms, and how the terrorists killed them.

00:08:17.000 IDF Major General Itay Varouf said, describing the scene, I-24 reported, it's a massacre.

00:08:22.000 Now, immediately, A lot of people brought up the Nayyirah testimony, which is a young woman, Nayyirah Al-Sabah, in the early 90s, in 1990, early 90s, who had stated that Saddam's forces were pulling babies out of incubators and leaving them to die.

00:08:39.000 So, the news is obviously shocking, and the first thing I'm going to say as we get into this subject matter is, Look man, this is such a heated issue.

00:08:47.000 There's people tweeting out photos and videos.

00:08:51.000 They're saying the attacks, it's pure evil, don't support this.

00:08:55.000 You've got tweets from people like Ben Shapiro saying there's a big difference between Israel trying to prevent civilian deaths and Hamas targeting civilians.

00:09:03.000 So obviously, this is extremely heated.

00:09:06.000 That being said, I remain skeptical on stories like this.

00:09:10.000 There are a lot of videos I'm seeing shared.

00:09:12.000 I can't prove these videos are what people say they are.

00:09:15.000 There are some videos that are easily discernible, like yes, there's paratroopers coming in.

00:09:20.000 Some of these are clearly not from, they're not, what people will do is they'll take videos from other conflicts and then they'll caption them and put them as if it was now to shock you or whatever.

00:09:29.000 Some of the videos we've seen are clear and plain as day.

00:09:33.000 I think the reporting speaks for itself.

00:09:35.000 But then there are more shocking stories like this.

00:09:37.000 There are videos that start right in the middle of something egregious happening that we don't know where they come from.

00:09:41.000 So I just hope everybody keeps a level head to the best of their abilities so we can try and figure out what's true and what isn't.

00:09:46.000 But I'm curious what all of you guys think about this latest reporting because this is...

00:09:50.000 Look, the idea that babies are beheaded is international casus belli.

00:09:55.000 I mean, it is the U.S.

00:09:56.000 sending a strike group, a carrier group.

00:09:58.000 This is, we rally our allies and say, these terrorist groups must be stopped.

00:10:01.000 That's why I have fears about what these stories mean.

00:10:05.000 The first thing I, you know, heard, or the first thing that I thought when I heard it was obviously the stories that led to the first Iraq war.

00:10:15.000 That's the, now you're a testimony.

00:10:17.000 Yeah, so, I mean, that was the first thing I thought of.

00:10:20.000 I mean, there's plenty of actual evidence of horrible things happening when the Palestinians actually, you know, launched the attack.

00:10:30.000 I think it was like 1,500 actual fighters they said actually went into Palestine.

00:10:35.000 Into Israel, you mean?

00:10:36.000 Yeah, I'm sorry, into Israel.

00:10:39.000 There's plenty of evidence that they killed innocent people.

00:10:42.000 There's plenty of evidence that they, you know, carried out what amounts to a terror attack.

00:10:46.000 It's not a military operation.

00:10:48.000 There's plenty of evidence.

00:10:49.000 So there are videos you don't want to watch.

00:10:51.000 Absolutely.

00:10:52.000 And and I don't so I don't need to I don't need to believe that they were cutting off babies heads to condemn the attack on Israel.

00:11:01.000 So, you know, if it turns out that it happened, I'm not shocked.

00:11:07.000 I mean, I was alive when ISIS, when the The Islamic State was in existence and I saw videos of them cutting off people's heads and doing terrible things.

00:11:17.000 I remember 9-11.

00:11:19.000 You don't need to have this particular thing to be real to be like, okay, terrorists do really horrible, horrible things with the intent of...

00:11:29.000 terrorizing people.

00:11:30.000 I'm curious what you think, Max.

00:11:31.000 Yeah, I would be shocked, first of all, because Hamas is mortally opposed to ISIS and Salafi elements.

00:11:37.000 They've actually battled them in the streets in Rafah before.

00:11:41.000 They consider them a threat to their stability, and Israeli intelligence actually has worked with Salafi elements in Gaza to destabilize Hamas, just as Israeli intelligence supported Hamas to destabilize the PLO when it controlled Gaza.

00:11:55.000 in the 1980s.

00:11:56.000 So I would be shocked if they employed something like this.

00:11:59.000 The only source so far on this story is one Israeli soldier, who's a very interesting character.

00:12:06.000 We've traced his identity at the Gray Zone.

00:12:09.000 And it comes through a state-sponsored Israeli media organization, as you pointed out, I-24.

00:12:15.000 The reporter, Nicole Sedek, who just went to Kfar Aza and said, I'm hearing that babies were beheaded.

00:12:20.000 Right.

00:12:20.000 Then the Israeli Foreign Ministry goes and blasts it out.

00:12:22.000 Forty babies beheaded.

00:12:24.000 Why?

00:12:25.000 Because the U.S. 0.95

00:12:26.000 bombed the crap out of ISIS in Raqqa. 0.93

00:12:29.000 We destroyed half of the city of Raqqa, and that's what Israel wants us to do to Iran. 0.92

00:12:33.000 They want us to see Hamas as ISIS, and then to get involved in their regional conflict. 0.54

00:12:38.000 So they're pushing this story.

00:12:40.000 The source is a Israeli soldier named Davidi Benzion, who is a settler leader.

00:12:46.000 He's from one of the fanatical wings of Israeli politics.

00:12:50.000 And he, you know, he's a reservist.

00:12:52.000 He's serving in the military.

00:12:54.000 But he got in trouble earlier this year because he called for an entire Palestinian village to be wiped off the map next to his illegal settlement in the West Bank.

00:13:02.000 And he's the guy that she's interviewing as her credible witness.

00:13:06.000 I don't trust it.

00:13:07.000 And as you said, Israel has enough to go on right now to try to portray itself, even though it's the occupier and besieger of the Gaza Strip, according to international law, to portray itself as a victim.

00:13:17.000 Why do they need to do this?

00:13:19.000 It's because they're trying to draw the U.S. 0.89

00:13:22.000 in.

00:13:23.000 I agree with that, for sure.

00:13:25.000 That's why everybody immediately brings up the Neera testimony. 0.52

00:13:28.000 What will shock Americans to the most extreme degree to justify U.S.

00:13:31.000 involvement?

00:13:31.000 You should break that down, though.

00:13:33.000 The Neera testimony? 0.96

00:13:33.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:13:34.000 I mean, I can break it down.

00:13:36.000 We have the Wikipedia pulled up.

00:13:38.000 False testimony given to the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus October 10, 1990 by a 15-year-old girl who was publicly identified by the time by her first name, Neera.

00:13:47.000 The testimony was widely publicized and was cited numerous times by U.S.

00:13:50.000 Senators and George H.W.

00:13:52.000 Bush in their rationale to support Kuwait in the Gulf War.

00:13:55.000 In 1992, it was revealed Nayyirah's last name was Al-Sabah and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.

00:14:04.000 Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign, which was run by the American public relations firm Hill and Knowlton.

00:14:13.000 For the Kuwaiti government following this, Al-Sabah's testimony has become regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda. 0.82

00:14:20.000 So, it is false testimony.

00:14:23.000 Her story, initially, was even corroborated by Amnesty International.

00:14:27.000 So this is crazy.

00:14:27.000 I mean, I'm a little kid.

00:14:28.000 I'm four years old when this stuff's going down.

00:14:30.000 Actually, what month was it?

00:14:32.000 It was October.

00:14:32.000 So I was, yeah, I was four.

00:14:34.000 The story was that they were stabbing babies in incubators with bayonets and throwing them on the ground so that way they could take the incubators back to Iraq from Kuwait.

00:14:46.000 That was the story.

00:14:48.000 And I mean, I was 15 when I heard it or whatever.

00:14:51.000 So, you know, what the hell did I know?

00:14:52.000 But I was like, oh, that's so terrible.

00:14:53.000 But now looking back, obviously, it's like it, especially today with the way that we have the ability to communicate and produce fake videos and have videos that don't have any context with them.

00:15:05.000 You have to be really careful.

00:15:06.000 You know, look, man.

00:15:09.000 Do I think it's possible that some babies were killed?

00:15:11.000 Yes.

00:15:12.000 Absolutely.

00:15:14.000 If they're coming into a kibbutz and they're shooting, yeah, there's crossfire. 0.91

00:15:18.000 I see kids killed in Chicago, right?

00:15:20.000 And you're in an active conflict zone?

00:15:22.000 Likely gonna happen.

00:15:23.000 I think it's possible that, like, the most reasonable and rational thing that I would say highest probability in terms of this being truthful is that You know, a couple babies died, one had its, man, this is such a horrible thing to say, but severely injured to the point of decapitation, and then someone passes it along and it, Purple Monkey dishwashes itself, telephones itself into 40 babies killed, beheaded, in a more extreme version of the story, but now it serves a political purpose, so it escalates to a point where Fox News is reporting it, headline, as though it's proven.

00:15:58.000 The challenging thing is, What do you need?

00:16:01.000 How do you prove it?

00:16:01.000 What do you do if this is true, if they're not lying?

00:16:04.000 Well, there's another purpose to it, which is to deflect from the obviously true, real videos of babies being killed by Israeli airstrikes all across the Gaza Strip.

00:16:16.000 When I was in Gaza in 2014, I went to Khan Younis, which is in the southeast, had been completely destroyed at its eastern edge by the Israeli military.

00:16:26.000 And the casualties were so intense that the hospital started filling up in Khan Younis and I went to a small hospital and talked to the head of the hospital and he showed me photos and these photos are on my Twitter page from the time, all real.

00:16:40.000 He had to bring in from local shops ice cream coolers to store dead babies in because the mortuaries had run out of space.

00:16:49.000 And now we see Israel attacking, the hospital in Beit Hanun in the north is completely out of commission.

00:16:55.000 All of these hospitals are coming under attack.

00:16:57.000 So babies are dying in the Gaza Strip.

00:17:00.000 There's video right now, Jackson Henkel just tweeted a video of a father carrying his baby out of the rubble.

00:17:05.000 There's another video on Times of Gaza, a local publication of a father putting his infant daughter to sleep for the last time.

00:17:13.000 And they've completely erased these casualties.

00:17:16.000 They've always been erased.

00:17:17.000 And that's part of what fuels the violence and the ruthlessness that we see from these fighters, is that they want to avenge what they call their martyrs.

00:17:26.000 And that fuels what is, you know, referred to as the cycle of violence.

00:17:30.000 That's the invisibilization of them.

00:17:32.000 So you think that some Hamas fighters, they target civilians because civilians in Gaza are targeted?

00:17:40.000 First of all, let's point out another thing that's being left out of the conversation.

00:17:46.000 CNN never showed this.

00:17:47.000 Fox never showed this.

00:17:48.000 They targeted military bases, primarily military bases like Nahalaz, that are maintaining the siege of Gaza, and they overwhelmed those bases and humiliated the fourth most powerful military on the planet with a blue water navy with nuclear weapons.

00:18:03.000 Some of these fighters were filmed entering the bases with no shoes on.

00:18:07.000 They're using homemade weapons, AK-47s, paragliders, fishing boats to get in. This is not a

00:18:14.000 powerful army and they humiliated them and the Israelis vaunted intelligence 1.00

00:18:18.000 services so they don't want to talk about that and yes they went in a lot of these kibbutzim

00:18:22.000 are right next to the bases I've been to them.

00:18:27.000 I mean this is a terrorist attack.

00:18:28.000 They went to a music festival and started killing people.

00:18:31.000 So I get what you're saying, like, they are definitely the underdogs and stuff, but, like, to classify it, to try and point out that it's, or to make it, to legitimize it as a, as an actual military operation, I think totally glosses over the fact that they attacked civilians intentionally.

00:18:48.000 They did.

00:18:48.000 It was a military operation, and Israel is now attacking civilians intentionally.

00:18:53.000 They're not targeting.

00:18:54.000 Israel has a doctrine of targeting civilians intentionally.

00:18:56.000 It's called the Dahiyya Doctrine, and I can lay out what it is. 0.76

00:19:00.000 But they believe that if they attack civilians and humiliate them, they will eventually rise up against their government.

00:19:07.000 They tested it against Hezbollah in Lebanon, and it failed.

00:19:11.000 And it's being used against the civilians in the Gaza Strip.

00:19:15.000 They want to lower their morale so much that they actually turn on the mosque.

00:19:19.000 You're talking about a retaliation, right?

00:19:22.000 Like I said, again, this initially started, and granted, I don't know the details about where, if they attacked the military bases or whatever, and I'm not trying to push back on that, but the idea that this is just a military Operation, they specifically went and started killing people at the festival.

00:19:45.000 It reminds me of the Bataclan in Paris.

00:19:47.000 It's a terror attack. 0.96

00:19:50.000 So maybe if you want to say that the Israelis are terrorists as well, fine. 0.78

00:19:53.000 I'm not here to defend Israel, but the idea that the initial attack was a military operation or exclusively military, uh-uh. 0.72

00:20:01.000 They attacked people and they went after civilians and killed people at a point.

00:20:05.000 When Max started bringing this up, I mean, I'm not interjecting because I want to hear what you have to say about what were they targeting in terms of military targets.

00:20:12.000 I don't think it makes sense for Hamas to come in and just literally only target a music festival.

00:20:19.000 Obviously, I think it's reasonable that they targeted a wide breadth of things, but I do agree with Phil.

00:20:25.000 I mean, the problem is, one of the arguments we're hearing is that they're breaking out of an open-air prison.

00:20:30.000 Well, okay, absolutely.

00:20:31.000 I mean, I know people who are the families of those in Palestine, those who have come from Gaza, and absolutely have heard these arguments, but to then see them going to a music festival and laughing about it, you know, and grabbing people and throwing them on the ground... I mean, I suppose the argument is the videos are all fake or something, but there's videos of the guys walking up to cars and just shooting regular people, like, just in their cars who have no idea what's going on.

00:20:54.000 What's that Israeli doctrine of targeting civilians called?

00:20:58.000 I think I brought this up when I was on PBD on Saturday when this all went down.

00:21:01.000 Back when Protective Edge happened in 2014, I did not cover this stuff.

00:21:03.000 that the Israeli military uses.

00:21:05.000 That ain't just the Israeli military.

00:21:07.000 Blood makes the grass grow, homie. 1.00

00:21:08.000 No, no, but I brought this up before when, I think I brought this up when I was on PBD on Saturday,

00:21:13.000 when this all went down.

00:21:15.000 Back when Protective Edge happened in 2014, I did not cover this stuff.

00:21:19.000 Mine was civil unrest, not civil war, not war.

00:21:22.000 But speaking with many of the journalists who had covered the region, both in Israel and in Palestine,

00:21:27.000 and these guys, I gotta tell you, if you met them, you'd be like,

00:21:29.000 they're middle of the road, milquetoast, fence-eater types.

00:21:32.000 They refer to it as mowing the lawn.

00:21:33.000 They say Israel, every couple of years, will decimate parts of Gaza to reduce, you know, as they described it, their military capabilities.

00:21:42.000 But I'm curious what, you know, if you want to elaborate on that.

00:21:45.000 Yeah, I mean, there's so many issues on the table.

00:21:47.000 I mean, to the music festival, which is like the most, you know, grisly thing, one of the most grisly things we've seen prior to Israel leveling entire neighborhoods in Gaza City, including neighborhoods I stayed in, where many people actually are not friendly to Hamas.

00:22:04.000 They're holding an EDM Mali-fueled music festival on the border.

00:22:08.000 The drugs that they're on do not matter.

00:22:12.000 It doesn't matter what drugs they're on.

00:22:15.000 You're right.

00:22:16.000 What matters is they're holding a music festival on the border of a caged-in ghetto where people have very little water.

00:22:24.000 They bathe in salt water in Gaza.

00:22:26.000 I've done it.

00:22:27.000 They bathe in salt water.

00:22:28.000 They have two to three hours of electricity and they're doing this right there.

00:22:33.000 Right next to a military base.

00:22:35.000 And what appears to have happened is a military base was targeted.

00:22:39.000 This music festival became a target of opportunity, which is unfortunate and maybe gut-wrenching.

00:22:47.000 There's no way to justify it.

00:22:48.000 And here's what the objective of these fighters, one of the main objectives, which is not really discussed properly in our media.

00:22:56.000 And it doesn't matter if you support Israel or Palestine here, you have to acknowledge this objective.

00:23:01.000 It's to get as many Israeli citizens into the hands of the authorities in Gaza to negotiate because Israel is holding thousands and thousands of Palestinian captives in its prison.

00:23:13.000 There is one guy named Hader Adnan who died this May after a three-month hunger strike.

00:23:20.000 So you just said that the goal is to kidnap and return... The goal is to spur negotiations and change the strategic By kidnapping and bringing them back to Gaza.

00:23:31.000 That's kidnapping!

00:23:32.000 That's terrorist activity!

00:23:34.000 I've watched Israel kidnap children from their beds in occupied villages.

00:23:39.000 This is not about right or wrong. 1.00

00:23:42.000 It's about not seeing this in a stupid emotional way. 1.00

00:23:45.000 I'm not saying you're being stupid or emotional, but we are being Cultivated in this country to be stupid and emotional by not trying to understand why this attack took place. 1.00

00:23:54.000 Gilad Shalit was an Israeli soldier who is captured out of his tank in 2011 by fighters from Gaza, actually not affiliated with Hamas. 0.99

00:24:03.000 And Israel was forced to exchange over 1000 Palestinian prisoners People want us to take the most emotional approach to this.

00:24:10.000 They're killing civilians and stuff.

00:24:11.000 So now they have, let's say, 100 captives.

00:24:13.000 They do not want them to die in Gaza because this is the only bargaining chip they've had

00:24:18.000 after Palestinians have had every single diplomatic channel blocked to them, and they've even

00:24:24.000 had food channels blocked to them.

00:24:27.000 People want us to take the most emotional approach to this.

00:24:31.000 They're killing civilians and stuff.

00:24:32.000 I think, you know, that's typically my view.

00:24:36.000 It's bad that they're doing that.

00:24:37.000 I agree with Phil.

00:24:37.000 But I do think it's absolutely fair to step back and say, why are they doing it?

00:24:42.000 How do they view it? 0.99

00:24:43.000 And to do that involves some very ruthless shit. 1.00

00:24:47.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:24:48.000 Kidnapping civilians, which they've explicitly said they will now execute unless Israel takes specific actions like no more bombings.

00:24:58.000 They said warn before bombing because Israel's been bringing roofs down on the heads of entire families.

00:25:02.000 A family of 19 was killed in Jabalia refugee camp.

00:25:06.000 That's what they said.

00:25:07.000 But the Palestinians didn't warn the Israelis that they were coming to the festival, right? 0.85

00:25:12.000 They didn't warn the Israelis that they were coming. 0.98

00:25:14.000 But I don't know if the festival was the target.

00:25:19.000 They weren't warning the Israelis that they were coming.

00:25:21.000 So you're pointing out that the Israelis do warn the Palestinians, like, hey, this location, we are going to blow it up. 0.98

00:25:30.000 Yeah, like I do.

00:25:31.000 I correct me if I'm wrong.

00:25:33.000 I think the Al-Qassam Brigades warned Ashkelon that they were going to be firing a bunch of rockets.

00:25:38.000 Ashkelon.

00:25:39.000 Yes, they did.

00:25:41.000 These areas are now mostly evacuated.

00:25:43.000 But, you know, I've done interviews in Gaza, just like we're doing now, although Maybe without the malort. 1.00

00:25:51.000 I went up in Palestine Tower to do an interview in the middle of Gaza City.

00:25:55.000 I walked up nine flights of stairs because the electricity was off.

00:25:58.000 Everything's running on generators there.

00:26:01.000 And did some interviews.

00:26:03.000 A few years later, Israel drops a warning flare on the roof of that media tower where all the journalists work and operate.

00:26:11.000 I've also edited videos from there with some really nice Palestinian journalists, just cool people you would all like to hang out with, who would love to leave their little strip of land and can't.

00:26:20.000 Anyway, and then Israel brings the whole tower down. 0.87

00:26:22.000 There's video of it.

00:26:23.000 So it's, okay, they warn it, but why are they bringing down residential and office towers while everyone is silent?

00:26:29.000 Allegedly, because there's Hamas military weapons.

00:26:31.000 They always say that.

00:26:33.000 That building, I mean... Well, you asked the reason, so that's the reason they say, at least.

00:26:36.000 Well, this is the challenge for those that are not involved, right?

00:26:39.000 I'm anti-war.

00:26:41.000 I think U.S.

00:26:42.000 involvement in 99% of things is... They're lies.

00:26:47.000 I mean, I grew up on this stuff, right?

00:26:49.000 All the lies to get us to put military bases surrounding Iran.

00:26:53.000 John Bolton saying, by this time next year, we'll be celebrating in Tehran.

00:26:56.000 It's bloodlust.

00:26:58.000 So when I look at something like Israel, the challenge for me is I'm not nearly as involved as you and I'm not nearly as zealous as many of the neoconservatives and the more conservative base.

00:27:09.000 So when rockets come flying from Gaza and Start blowing up over Tel Aviv.

00:27:17.000 I mean, this was huge, right?

00:27:17.000 This was like 2014 when the rockets first started reaching Tel Aviv, was that?

00:27:20.000 Because I remember I had a friend in Tel Aviv.

00:27:23.000 I was there at that time, yeah.

00:27:25.000 Messaged me freaking out on Facebook that a rocket exploded over a house and this has never happened before.

00:27:29.000 I just don't know what to do.

00:27:30.000 And I'm like, man, this is horror.

00:27:32.000 It's horror.

00:27:32.000 It's war.

00:27:32.000 It's terrifying.

00:27:33.000 How do we stop this?

00:27:34.000 And so what ends up happening is every time I've engaged with it, again, not an expert on this stuff.

00:27:39.000 I mean, I might know a little bit more than the average person, but it's like, I appreciate your perspective.

00:27:45.000 I'm glad you're here to tell us about this stuff, too.

00:27:47.000 Because I think only talking to people who are on the more personal side is going to leave us, you know, blind to the arguments from the other side.

00:27:53.000 But I hear Israel.

00:27:54.000 They're using hospitals and schools and civilian areas to launch rockets from, knowing that it will make it extremely difficult for Israel to stop the rocket fire into civilian areas.

00:28:03.000 Then I hear the same thing.

00:28:04.000 But a media tower was taken down.

00:28:05.000 For what purpose?

00:28:06.000 Why is Israel targeting this?

00:28:08.000 And every time I hear this, I fall right back to, this is war.

00:28:12.000 And in war, there's no rules. 0.52

00:28:16.000 Rules are for, in my, it's like this idea of war crimes I always find so silly.

00:28:20.000 Like obviously, we think some things are so egregious that even in war they're a crime.

00:28:24.000 But yo, the people who win those wars don't care what you think because you're gone.

00:28:27.000 And so when I look at what's going on in Israel and Palestine, I know that you've got two factions that are going to use whatever arguments, whatever psychological warfare, whatever physical warfare they can to try and win this. 0.78

00:28:39.000 And I know that there probably is a right side and someone's telling the truth.

00:28:42.000 And I know for a fact there's an objective truth and lies to what's going on.

00:28:46.000 I don't know how to navigate that.

00:28:47.000 Well, just two points on that.

00:28:48.000 I mean, there's this issue of human shields.

00:28:50.000 Like Biden said, Palestinians are human shields.

00:28:52.000 That's a way of basically saying there are no civilians there at all.

00:28:57.000 And the Gaza Strip is one of the most densely populated places on earth.

00:29:00.000 Like two million people?

00:29:01.000 It's two million people jammed.

00:29:02.000 Why are they there?

00:29:03.000 By the way, most of them are refugees and they have to be there because they're not Jewish. 1.00

00:29:07.000 They can't go back to the land of their families pre-1948.

00:29:10.000 They keep having kids.

00:29:12.000 They're being warehoused there.

00:29:13.000 There's surplus humanity.

00:29:14.000 So it's like the logic of a prison.

00:29:17.000 And so everybody there is a human shield.

00:29:19.000 But there was a place I like to eat because it's real cheap in Tel Aviv that was right next to the defense ministry called Hacuria.

00:29:29.000 And all the generals would be in there, the intelligence chiefs, good Mediterranean food.

00:29:35.000 Are they human shields?

00:29:38.000 Is building this giant tower in the middle of a residential area in Tel Aviv, are they making those people human shields?

00:29:45.000 If that gets hit by Hezbollah and people die nearby, were they being used by Israel as human shields?

00:29:50.000 No one will say that because the logic is so discriminatory towards Palestinians, no one will

00:29:56.000 consider their position.

00:29:58.000 And then the other point I wanted to make is just about the use of violence in this conflict

00:30:02.000 by Palestinians who have tried everything. I mean, I don't know if you know about what the

00:30:07.000 Great March of Return was, it was sanctioned by Hamas, but it was a grassroots initiative in Gaza

00:30:12.000 to just march without weapons like guns to the wall that surrounds them.

00:30:17.000 And they were shot one by one in the legs.

00:30:21.000 Many of them were killed.

00:30:23.000 Journalists were killed covering it.

00:30:25.000 It was a complete bloodbath.

00:30:26.000 And that's when the society said, you know what?

00:30:29.000 We can't win with this tactic of, you know, walking to the fence and just asking them to let us in.

00:30:34.000 They don't want us.

00:30:36.000 And everyone ignored that.

00:30:40.000 And now they're paying attention to the violence.

00:30:42.000 In Gaza used to have 9,000 settlers in it.

00:30:46.000 9,000 settlers who took like 30 to 40 percent of the water in a place of 1.5 million people.

00:30:51.000 Why did those settlers leave?

00:30:53.000 It was because of the second intifada.

00:30:55.000 It was because of the violence that was applied.

00:30:57.000 And much more gruesome violence in many ways than we're seeing now because this was the time of suicide bombings.

00:31:03.000 people willing to die because they were so desperate blowing themselves up in order to

00:31:08.000 kill because they had no weapons at that point. Now the factions in Gaza actually have reverse

00:31:14.000 engineered Israel's military and they have weapons so they don't need to do suicide bombing.

00:31:18.000 So Gaza did that. They got enforced too. Hamas did that.

00:31:22.000 Then what is the West Bank right now?

00:31:24.000 It's controlled by the Palestinian Authority, which is funded partly through the EU and State Department.

00:31:29.000 They don't resist Israel.

00:31:30.000 In fact, they arrest Palestinians on behalf of Israel.

00:31:34.000 And what do Palestinians have there? 1.00

00:31:36.000 In many ways, they have the same prison-style situation as they have in Gaza, but with settlers all around them. 0.95

00:31:43.000 So what does that tell Palestinians?

00:31:45.000 It tells them the only way to get this off our back is through violence.

00:31:50.000 Are there Palestinians who live in Israel?

00:31:53.000 Yes.

00:31:54.000 In like Tel Aviv and all that?

00:31:55.000 Well, they live mostly in an area south called Jaffa or Jaffa.

00:31:59.000 But I mean like somebody who is of Palestinian ancestry.

00:32:03.000 There are 1.5 million Palestinian citizens of Israel and they're said to have equal rights, but there are discriminatory laws on the books.

00:32:11.000 Yeah, there's like 400 mosques, right?

00:32:13.000 There's like 400 mosques within Israel, right?

00:32:15.000 Yeah, I mean, the mosques operate... I mean, there's pressure on them to, like, shut off the museum at night.

00:32:22.000 And, you know, there's all kinds of, like, personal, like, individual conflicts or cultural conflicts taking place.

00:32:28.000 But yes, there are Palestinian citizens.

00:32:30.000 What's the solution?

00:32:32.000 I mean, it's like the generational question that nobody has the answer to.

00:32:36.000 Offer Palestine to become the 51st state of the United States. 0.91

00:32:40.000 I'm being 100% serious.

00:32:41.000 Okay, but that's not serious.

00:32:43.000 See, Palestine is not a state.

00:32:46.000 It can be.

00:32:47.000 Hawaii can be a state.

00:32:49.000 Israel will never let them be a country. 0.99

00:32:53.000 No, we work with Israel to make it a peaceful place. 0.94

00:32:55.000 Either that or they're going to get annihilated.

00:32:57.000 What's the other choice, you guys? 0.75

00:32:59.000 Talk to me.

00:33:00.000 I'm interested in asking Max this question because of your extensive coverage of it, your views on the conflict, and right now I think it's fair to say every single person wants peace.

00:33:12.000 There's clearly a divide, though, and it's that Israel's view of peace is very different from the Palestinian view of peace, and then, say, our view of peace, right?

00:33:22.000 Middle-of-the-road, anti-war Americans who are like, why are we involved in this and how do we make it stop?

00:33:26.000 Or do we do nothing at all and stay completely out of it?

00:33:28.000 Because, like, what is this?

00:33:31.000 What, what, what, how do we, if, you know, if Hamas is like, we're gonna go take civilians because they're bargaining chips for us, you've now got a story where I'm like, bro, I'm 37, this conflict's been going on a lot longer than I've been alive, and all I know is I watch a video of people storming a music festival, killing and kidnapping people.

00:33:48.000 All I see- That's bad, we want to stop.

00:33:49.000 I see three ways for this to end.

00:33:51.000 Either it's the total obliteration and annihilation of two million Palestinians, Or it's they refugee and they flee the land and they come here to the United States or somewhere else, or they are absorbed into another nation. 0.99

00:34:05.000 Those are three solutions that Israeli leadership is kind of putting forward because they cannot exist with Palestinians in their midst. 1.00

00:34:14.000 And Egypt doesn't want to take them, and Jordan doesn't want to take them, and Lebanon doesn't want to. 0.56

00:34:21.000 No one wants to take the Palestinians. 1.00

00:34:23.000 Why won't Egypt open up Rafah and let them? 0.99

00:34:25.000 Because it's politically useful to have the Palestinian problem. 1.00

00:34:28.000 The fight between the Arabs and the Jews, that's politically useful to Jordan, it's politically useful to Lebanon, it's politically useful to Egypt. 0.95

00:34:36.000 It's for the same reason that many Americans don't want Hondurans or Mexicans coming across the border. 1.00

00:34:41.000 Egyptians look down on Palestinians and they consider them a burden on a society with 90 million people, with a very weak state, where there's a lot of poverty.

00:34:50.000 And the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Israel was bombed today with many people who are dual nationals trying to get out as Netanyahu and the Israeli leadership are saying leave Gaza and we won't bomb you but they have nowhere But, you know, on this issue of the solution, I mean, we're entering a very dangerous phase and we're looking at the Holy Land right now.

00:35:12.000 So this does affect us all.

00:35:14.000 If this conflict moves from a political conflict, which it always has been, it's not about the Bible.

00:35:22.000 It's about the colonization of the land of Palestine and people trying to get their land and rights back.

00:35:28.000 And then another group of people trying to have a state run along ethno-religious lines as a Jewish state.

00:35:35.000 If it moves into a religious conflict, we're all screwed and it's going there. 1.00

00:35:39.000 This operation waged by Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad is called Al-Aqsa Flood.

00:35:48.000 It's about the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

00:35:50.000 And what's been going on there is that the security minister of Israel, who's the biggest fanatic in Israeli society, his name is Itamar Ben-Gavir.

00:35:56.000 He's led literal riots against Palestinian shops.

00:36:00.000 He's so extreme the Israeli military would not allow him in.

00:36:03.000 He's been convicted in Israeli courts of terrorism.

00:36:05.000 He is now the security minister because Benjamin Netanyahu needs him and his small party in order to maintain his coalition.

00:36:13.000 He has been leading groups up to the Al-Aqsa compound of Jewish extremists who try to break in there into the third holiest site in Islam in a direct provocation.

00:36:25.000 And what they want to do is blow up the Al-Aqsa compound and bring back the third Jewish temple. 1.00

00:36:31.000 And they belong to a movement called the Temple Movement which sees the Jewish prayer that takes place at the Western Wall as phony, as fake.

00:36:39.000 What they think the original prayer that took place there was the mass slaughtering of sheep continuously.

00:36:44.000 and they want to do that there.

00:36:47.000 So these are the kind of elements that are provoking one another

00:36:51.000 and leading us into a religious conflict that would be disastrous.

00:36:54.000 We were talking- Real quick, doesn't Al in Arabic mean the?

00:36:58.000 Yeah.

00:36:58.000 Can I do that?

00:36:59.000 I just wanted to point that out because it's funny because we say the, al, whatever, like we say the, the.

00:37:03.000 I just thought it was interesting.

00:37:05.000 We were talking, I disagree about the context, the modern context being the actual driver.

00:37:11.000 And we were talking earlier today before the show about the actual driver.

00:37:16.000 It is biblical.

00:37:17.000 It goes all the way back to Genesis, the feud between Ishmael and Isaac, or the fact that the story says that Isaac was chosen by God and Ishmael is the father of the Arabs, Isaac's the father of the Jews, this is like the Hatfield and McCoy feud on steroids.

00:37:40.000 It goes back thousands and thousands and thousands, three thousand years or whatever, I don't know how far back.

00:37:46.000 People that put it into a modern context, I understand that.

00:37:49.000 Like, because there are things that inflame the tensions, but the tensions go far beyond just, you know, it's deeper than Islam. 0.50

00:38:00.000 And that's the thing that most Americans don't realize.

00:38:03.000 Americans think that it's about a religion, and it's not.

00:38:06.000 It's an ethnic feud that goes far deeper than a religion.

00:38:10.000 A lot of the tension comes from that, but the violence is coming from the colonization.

00:38:16.000 You can always do a video chat and get past your hatred of each other, but if you're going to die, you have a choice.

00:38:23.000 I know this issue is particularly contentious, so yes, ladies and gentlemen, I'd love to bring on a journalist who has covered the Israeli perspective.

00:38:33.000 Not that I think that you necessarily don't, but you do have your biases.

00:38:36.000 I wrote a book about the Israeli perspective.

00:38:38.000 It's called Goliath, and I lived in Jerusalem in one of the most Jewish areas for almost a year just trying to absorb that. 1.00

00:38:45.000 That's fair, but... And I'm Jewish myself, and I came to this understanding by first going on the Birthright Israel trip, which is a free trip for Jews it was then 18 to 25 and you know, it's basically like the best sex vacation ever Like they want you to mate. 0.63

00:39:03.000 They want Jews to have relationships because you know, we're not getting you know, we don't proselytize So they're encouraging you to have sex with Israeli soldiers It's a big party, but I got really really into the situation there and it was right at the dawn of the second intifada Wow, it affected me in a way that they didn't want it to I mean they did what I get eyes us So there are obviously a lot of people who, we've got some chats where they're saying it's great you're a real journalist covering this, but then there are other people saying that you're a joke and you're wrong about this stuff.

00:39:32.000 But I do want to point out the seemingly contradictory statement you made earlier.

00:39:38.000 I say seemingly in that the people's view of tribal politics, you had praise for Donald Trump's peace efforts.

00:39:45.000 before the show. I don't know if you want to... Depending on which peace efforts I'm talking about.

00:39:48.000 For sure. But we're talking about North Korea and South Korea and you were saying like,

00:39:53.000 you know, I won't speak for you. Cribs in the bloods. Yeah.

00:39:56.000 Yeah. I mean, one point to you real quick before I get into that. If Christians should be 1.00

00:40:03.000 paying special attention to this conflict because the Christians who live in Bethlehem, they

00:40:08.000 have nothing to do with Hamas.

00:40:09.000 They're not represented by any of these factions, but they are affected by occupation and they are being forced out of their lands where they are carrying the tradition of the disciples.

00:40:18.000 The Anastos family, who I know, had the wall.

00:40:22.000 The separation wall built entirely around their home and shop, and that was the end of their existence there.

00:40:28.000 They are directly descended from the disciples.

00:40:30.000 So this isn't just about Jews and Muslims.

00:40:33.000 And by the way, Jews and Muslims resisted the crusaders in Jerusalem.

00:40:36.000 We haven't always been enemies.

00:40:38.000 But to your point about Trump, no, you wanted to say something?

00:40:41.000 Well, I wanted to point out that the way you've characterized this, you've called Jews terrorists multiple times, and every time that I talk about the fact that the operation was a terror operation, you push back on it.

00:40:58.000 So I understand that you have a perspective, and it's totally cool.

00:41:01.000 I'm not trying to say you're wrong for having an opinion or having a perspective, but I do want to point out You are characterizing the Israelis as Jews, and you talk about how far-right and how bloodthirsty they are, and the terror attack you've been pushing back on and saying, well, it's not a terror attack and etc.

00:41:19.000 So, I mean, I just wanted to call attention to it. 0.97

00:41:22.000 It is not just that Jews are terrorists or that the Palestinians are terrorists. 0.96

00:41:28.000 This particular issue, this particular A flare-up or whatever is because of a terrorist attack, but it's not that one side or the other are the bad guys and the good guys. 0.99

00:41:38.000 At least, I don't see it that way.

00:41:39.000 For me, it's about justice and injustice.

00:41:42.000 One side is much more powerful than the other and has been abusing them historically.

00:41:46.000 But Israel, to me, does not represent Judaism.

00:41:49.000 To me, that's an anti-Semitic point of view, and actually anti-Semites try to implicate all Jews by invoking Israel's crimes.

00:41:58.000 I see Israel as embracing the philosophy of Zionism, and if you go to Brooklyn and you see all those ultra-Orthodox Jews from the Satmar clan, They're not Zionists. 0.73

00:42:08.000 In many ways, they're anti-Zionist.

00:42:10.000 So all Jews are not Zionists.

00:42:12.000 Back to Trump.

00:42:14.000 Yes, I mean, as we were saying before the show, I mean, I stood and cheered when he crossed the DMZ into North Korea.

00:42:23.000 I never thought I would see an American president do that.

00:42:27.000 In so many ways, Trump going off script was the greatest thing about the Trump era.

00:42:32.000 I never thought an American president would do that.

00:42:35.000 Admitting the weapons deal to Saudi Arabia and all that stuff, the oil fields in Syria.

00:42:38.000 It's like not good things, but it's like he's saying it.

00:42:42.000 Yeah, even with the bad things, he lifted the mask on American empire because he wasn't trying to be elegant about it.

00:42:47.000 He just told the truth about what we are.

00:42:50.000 With Israel, though, I don't know if you remember, but it was like in 2015, he went to the Republican-Jewish coalition and he said, like, I'm a landlord.

00:42:58.000 A lot of you guys are landlords.

00:43:00.000 We need to make a deal with Israel-Palestine. 0.94

00:43:02.000 And they called him an anti-Semite for saying that.

00:43:04.000 It's like he's calling Jews landlords who are dealmakers.

00:43:09.000 And then he changed and Jared Kushner came in the equation, his son-in-law.

00:43:13.000 I mean, just imagine if Trump's son-in-law was Palestinian.

00:43:16.000 What do you think about the Abraham Accords?

00:43:18.000 Well, the Abraham Accords are a real reason why this happened, why these attacks took place.

00:43:23.000 Because the whole point of the Abraham Accords was to go over the heads of the Palestinians, put that whole issue in the icebox forever, let them stay in their cages or wherever, maybe give them a few crumbs, and then Israel will make peace with the monarchies who have all the money and all of the, you know, sovereign wealth funds. 0.85

00:43:42.000 And Jared Kushner's directly overseeing that.

00:43:44.000 There's going to be more Trump towers in Dubai.

00:43:47.000 And meanwhile, Trump goes and assassinates Qasem Soleimani, second most powerful figure, prestigious figure in Iran, who heads the IRGC, which has a relationship with the factions in Gaza, as well as Lebanon.

00:44:00.000 I mean, he was setting the stage for all this.

00:44:03.000 So the Abraham Accords and the normalization with Saudi Arabia, between Israel and Saudi Arabia, The Al-Aqsa flood operation declared by Hamas was explicitly designed to undermine that. 0.72

00:44:16.000 They openly said it.

00:44:22.000 Everything leads to chaos.

00:44:23.000 Everything leads to conflict.

00:44:24.000 Well, everything leads back to Jerusalem in the Middle East and the Palestinians will not allow themselves, the rest of the region, especially these monarchs who don't answer to anybody except their own internal clan, they will not allow themselves to be ignored.

00:44:38.000 What would happen if the security fencing, the barriers around the Gaza Strip were all removed and all the people of Palestine were granted free movement?

00:44:47.000 What would happen?

00:44:48.000 Well, it would certainly reduce the drive to violence and revenge over time, but there would no longer... What would they be within what we call Israel?

00:44:58.000 And this goes to the whole logic of Zionism. 0.83

00:45:01.000 In order to have a Jewish state, you have to have a demographic majority of Jews within a certain territory, although Israel has no internationally recognized borders.

00:45:10.000 The U.S.

00:45:10.000 has a border, like you all support defending the border.

00:45:14.000 Israel doesn't actually have a border.

00:45:16.000 It just has areas That it declares Israel and then it says we have a majority of Jews, we are the Jewish state.

00:45:23.000 So the areas outside... Aren't the borders created by all the countries around it though?

00:45:27.000 Well, Palestinians don't have a country. 1.00

00:45:29.000 Gaza is not a country. 1.00

00:45:30.000 It's a human warehouse because they're not Jews. 1.00

00:45:33.000 But Jordan and Egypt and Lebanon, they all have borders.

00:45:37.000 So that's what constitutes the border.

00:45:39.000 But Israel declares itself a democracy while violently demographically engineering a majority of a specific ethno-religious group. 0.61

00:45:48.000 So that would be like the U.S. 0.56

00:45:49.000 saying, we are a white Christian nation.

00:45:51.000 We're not deporting the migrants because they're not legal citizens. 1.00

00:45:56.000 We're deporting them because they're not white Christians. 1.00

00:45:58.000 That is the problem. 0.96

00:46:00.000 That's why Gaza is there and has to perpetually be there. 1.00

00:46:03.000 But I mean, they're having kids, right?

00:46:04.000 The population's growing.

00:46:06.000 So it doesn't... I mean, Israel could cut food off and stop population growth. 0.52

00:46:06.000 Yeah. 0.52

00:46:10.000 They could do... They just cut off electricity, gas, and water.

00:46:14.000 I mean, after Hamas came in and killed a bunch of civilians and, you know, shot up a bunch of, you know, houses and stuff.

00:46:21.000 I mean, so, you know, I look at it and I'm like...

00:46:23.000 If Hamas, perhaps you can argue that it is a roughed-edge scalpel in their attacks which results in, it backfires on them tremendously.

00:46:31.000 You know, I want to see peace.

00:46:34.000 I don't like the stories that I hear from you about what's going on in Gaza, but all I see with everything they've just done is they've exacerbated the problem tenfold.

00:46:43.000 Why would they do this?

00:46:46.000 From their point of view, there's no other diplomatic path to getting out of the siege, and the siege was becoming too comfortable for Israel.

00:46:54.000 Israel's always going to be in a comfortable situation, as long as the Palestinians don't do anything. 1.00

00:47:01.000 Firing rockets doesn't accomplish anything for them.

00:47:03.000 What do they gain by firing rockets?

00:47:05.000 Well, I mean, in each conflict, The more rockets... I mean, and this is not my justification.

00:47:14.000 I've been under those rockets, too.

00:47:15.000 It's not pleasant.

00:47:17.000 It's not as bad as being under the Israeli missiles that I've been under, which is absolutely horrifying with a drone over your head all night, and you wake up and houses are blown up around you.

00:47:26.000 But it's still scary.

00:47:28.000 The point is they get concessions and it's the only way and the only time that Israel has ever given them any concessions, whether it's more work permits.

00:47:36.000 All I hear is terror works.

00:47:38.000 All I hear you saying is terrorism works.

00:47:40.000 Or let's look at it from this perspective.

00:47:41.000 Let's make the other hypothetical.

00:47:42.000 State terror works as well. 0.94

00:47:44.000 We're the masters of it.

00:47:45.000 From your perspective, you could make the argument that Israel lets them fire the rockets to justify the expansion of control over the Gaza Strip, and that you're saying it works. 0.71

00:47:57.000 Maybe they want it to work.

00:47:59.000 They want Hamas to constantly attack civilians so they can go to the international stage, they can go to the United States, they can go to foreign countries and say, see, this is why we need money, and this is why we're justified in controlling the things that we control, having the Iron Dome. 0.68

00:48:11.000 I kind of view it like, Like right now, for the average American who has no idea about what this conflict is rooted in, all they know is that civilians were massacred.

00:48:23.000 Tell me about the Balfour Declaration, unless you want to keep going.

00:48:25.000 This is about the inception of the idea of the British mandate for Palestine we talked about last night.

00:48:29.000 Basically the end of World War I, the Arabs We're fighting with the Ottomans, the Germans, and the Austrians, and they were winning the war.

00:48:36.000 So the British and the French manipulated the Arabs, and they were like, if you betray the Ottoman Empire, we'll give you this land we call Palestine after the war.

00:48:42.000 So the Arabs were like, sweet, they betrayed the Ottomans, the French and the British won the war, and then they went back on their deal with this secret declaration, the Balfour Declaration.

00:48:51.000 Can you take me from there and talk me through?

00:48:53.000 After we cover where you were at, Tim, which...

00:48:58.000 The gist of it being, to the average person around the world who doesn't follow this stuff,

00:49:04.000 Hamas just committed a major act of terror killing civilians.

00:49:06.000 Right. Well, that's because they're being propagandized by corporate media,

00:49:12.000 which is telling them this is unprovoked.

00:49:14.000 I mean, just look up how many times... But provocation is immaterial.

00:49:16.000 I mean, like, for me, when I cover this... Context isn't material, but the reason that they did it was because otherwise they're consolidating permanent siege in the Gaza Strip.

00:49:27.000 And yes, it's a fact, as you pointed out, that Israel initially supported Hamas.

00:49:34.000 Actually, the Mossad funneled money, as Robert Fisk reported, Into Hamas's coffers in the 1980s because they wanted to destroy the PLO, which was secular, more socialist oriented, and they saw them as the greater threat.

00:49:47.000 Israel allowed Hamas free movement around the Gaza Strip when Israel internally controlled the Gaza Strip, but we're entering a new era. 0.93

00:49:56.000 In world, in international relations, a multipolar era where the United States doesn't matter as much.

00:50:02.000 And so while we this, this is kind of a bonanza for Israel to be able to show these images of a music festival being attacked and so on.

00:50:12.000 But the United States doesn't matter as much in the region and Iran is emerging as a regional power.

00:50:18.000 So I think the calculus on the ground is changing a little bit and it's moving more in favor of the Palestinians as long as and I think.

00:50:27.000 That is another factor in why this took place.

00:50:32.000 On the Balfour Declaration, I mean, you're talking about the earliest stages of the colonial powers handing over the land of Palestine to those they saw as a more powerful force.

00:50:44.000 And a lot of it was motivated, actually, by anti-Semitism.

00:50:47.000 I mean, Balfour didn't have kind things to say about Jews in the UK.

00:50:52.000 And so he thought that if we actually displace what he saw as a Jewish problem onto the backs of an indigenous population, just get our Jews out of England and put them there, it's going to be a good deal for us. 1.00

00:51:04.000 And they'll be our allies eventually.

00:51:07.000 And maybe we can use them to control the Suez Canal perpetually if we lose control of it.

00:51:16.000 The English anti-Semites were not the only anti-Semites in history to see Zionist colonization as a positive thing. 0.98

00:51:24.000 The largest export market for the Zionist colonies in 1930s and pre-state 1940s Palestine was Germany.

00:51:35.000 And the Zionist movement, the labor wing, the quasi-socialist wing, actually inked a formal deal with Nazi Germany called the Havara Agreement, the Transfer Agreement.

00:51:45.000 Anyone can look this up.

00:51:46.000 It's on the books.

00:51:47.000 And basically what they were doing was they were exchanging the property of Jews in Germany for their bodies.

00:51:53.000 And more Jews, Means we'll start to move towards a Jewish majority here and they'll fight the indigenous people. 1.00

00:51:59.000 And then the Nazi Germany was saying, well, we'll get their property and we need their wealth. 0.77

00:52:03.000 So it was a very convenient arrangement.

00:52:06.000 David Ben-Gurion's number two, his name was Haimar Losaroff.

00:52:09.000 You don't have to worry about the names, but he was actually assassinated when he bragged about this deal in Tel Aviv.

00:52:14.000 So there's been tons of collaboration with anti-Semites.

00:52:19.000 In order to consolidate the colonization of Palestine.

00:52:23.000 Now look at this.

00:52:24.000 There's this carrier battle group that's sailing into the region.

00:52:27.000 There's so much we can say about it.

00:52:29.000 But one thing it says is that, first of all, Palestinians have no sovereignty. 1.00

00:52:36.000 They cannot call on anyone to support them militarily.

00:52:40.000 I mean, Iran's kind of supporting the military, aren't they?

00:52:43.000 They can't come in with their Iranian fast boats or whatever.

00:52:46.000 They can't really come in there.

00:52:48.000 They can't get in there.

00:52:49.000 Let me pull up the story.

00:52:50.000 We have this from The AP.

00:52:52.000 will send a carrier strike group to the eastern Mediterranean in support of Israel.

00:52:52.000 The U.S.

00:52:57.000 So this news came just the other day.

00:52:58.000 It's on top of what we're hearing now from CNN that the U.S.

00:53:02.000 is offering special forces as several of the hostages or some of the hostages taken are believed to be Americans.

00:53:09.000 I was saying this the other day, my concern is, if Americans are captured, and some of these, one of the individuals that's taken hostage is an IDF soldier, who is a dual citizen, American and Israeli, which creates all sorts of questions about, should the U.S.

00:53:22.000 be involved?

00:53:23.000 No question, the U.S.

00:53:24.000 is going to use that.

00:53:26.000 They're gonna say, that's an American citizen, despite the fact it was also an Israeli citizen, fighting on behalf of Israel, you know, in a conflict.

00:53:33.000 But, Now with the deployment of a carrier strike group, I'm curious, the chance by which the U.S.

00:53:39.000 gets involved in a direct conflict, which is a dramatic escalation, and what could possibly happen, do you think the U.S., I mean, look, the U.S.

00:53:47.000 is involved, this is it.

00:53:49.000 Deploying a carrier strike group is involvement, but where do we see this going?

00:53:55.000 Hezbollah took out an Israeli cruiser class ship in 2006 with, I think, a French Exocet missile that was smuggled in.

00:54:03.000 It was one of their surprises.

00:54:05.000 So they, in southern Lebanon, have the capacity to take out ships. 0.98

00:54:09.000 I don't think they'd be stupid enough to do this, but you now have U.S. 0.92

00:54:12.000 assets in there that are just a trigger point. 0.87

00:54:15.000 It would probably be better if there were fewer US assets in the area, honestly.

00:54:22.000 In 2014, I remember Protective Edge kicked off and I'm hanging out with a bunch of journalists and they were concerned about a very slim possibility of World War III.

00:54:35.000 That actions taken against Gaza could incite Iran, and then Russia, and then China, and then you get, you know, much like the assassination of Franz Ferdinand was not, at that time, when that happened, nobody said, that's it, it's World War I, like, the World War started, no, the assassination happened, it got reported, and then over a long period of time, treaties kick in, eventually it's called the Great War, we now call it World War I.

00:54:58.000 There was fear that Protective Edge could lead to something like that, but ultimately it didn't.

00:55:03.000 It was 51 days.

00:55:04.000 Now with this, with the U.S.

00:55:06.000 being more directly involved with the active war in Eastern Europe, which is very much related to energy, Syria, the Syrian conflict, and Iraq, and a bunch of other countries, and then the fear that China moves on Taiwan, we could be really knocking on a legitimate World War III.

00:55:22.000 Knocking on the door of Yeah, I mean, I think Syria in a lot of ways was kind of a laboratory or a sort of a test case for World War Three, because you had Russia coming in with Iran and Hezbollah to stop U.S. 0.85

00:55:37.000 and Western proxy forces who happened to be aligned with al-Qaeda and ISIS.

00:55:42.000 And Israel was actually supporting Al-Qaeda and ISIS in the Golan.

00:55:47.000 It was giving them weapons.

00:55:48.000 It was allowing them to pass in and out of the Golan.

00:55:51.000 Actually, Moshe Ya'alon, who was the Israeli defense minister at the time, this is a headline, I would prefer Islamic State to Iran in Syria in the times of Israel. 0.70

00:56:00.000 You can look that up.

00:56:01.000 Is that because of the difference between the Shia and the Sunni Muslims?

00:56:08.000 That and that they are just weaker and they don't want to fight Israel because in many ways they're just a creation of the West. 0.96

00:56:16.000 I mean, if there is a regional war, all those Al Qaeda forces in Idlib in Syria that resist that fought the Syrian government, they're not going to be fighting on against Israel.

00:56:27.000 And they're kind of like on Israel's side.

00:56:29.000 Al Qaeda and ISIS.

00:56:30.000 I mean, just think about that.

00:56:32.000 But what could happen here that I think could set the region on fire is, and it's already happening anyway, is if Israel tries to march on Gaza City. 0.78

00:56:43.000 It would be a disaster for them.

00:56:45.000 They'd lose so many people.

00:56:46.000 There would be thousands and thousands of casualties inside Gaza.

00:56:50.000 It's not favorable terrain for Israel.

00:56:53.000 Didn't IDF go on the ground in 2014?

00:56:55.000 Yeah, and it didn't go very well for them.

00:56:58.000 They went into an area called Shujaie, east of Gaza City, and lost something like 40 soldiers, including officers.

00:57:05.000 They totally underestimated the al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas.

00:57:09.000 And they retreated and then blanketed the whole area with howitzers and missiles, which is why that, if you look at the rubble from 2014, it's that area.

00:57:17.000 I've been there.

00:57:18.000 We've filmed it.

00:57:19.000 It's in our film, Killing Gaza.

00:57:21.000 But if they go all the way to Gaza City, and they're already softening it up, they've like destroyed an entire neighborhood in the center of Gaza City where all the administrative buildings are, all the cafes, the middle class lives. 0.65

00:57:33.000 If they go all the way there, And they try to bring down Hamas and occupy that area? 0.79

00:57:40.000 Hezbollah will have to enter. 0.52

00:57:42.000 They will not allow Hamas to fall.

00:57:44.000 They basically have an informal treaty.

00:57:46.000 And then, what can Hezbollah do? 0.94

00:57:48.000 They are so much stronger than Hamas's armed wing.

00:57:51.000 They can actually do targeted strikes throughout Israel.

00:57:55.000 They gave Israel a bloody nose in 2006.

00:57:59.000 Israel failed to defeat them. 0.64

00:58:02.000 And I don't know where that will lead.

00:58:03.000 It could then lead to more forces intervening.

00:58:08.000 Because that'd be Sunni-Shia then agreeing with each other. 0.88

00:58:10.000 If Hezbollah and Hamas agree that Sunni and Shia Muslims agreeing to be against Israel, right? 0.89

00:58:16.000 So isn't that open a whole other chemical arm as well?

00:58:18.000 It's like with Iran backing Hamas, which is Shia and Sunni, etc.

00:58:22.000 That's a whole thing in itself already.

00:58:24.000 Well, that's a great question to raise because Saudi Arabia, which we had thought of as sort of the real Sunni power that was supporting the overthrow.

00:58:36.000 They were supporting the overthrow of Syria.

00:58:38.000 They're different now.

00:58:39.000 Mohammed bin Salman has kind of turned his back on the West and his statement on what happened on October 7th.

00:58:46.000 The attacks inside Israel was kind of he didn't condemn it.

00:58:51.000 He said we just call for peace and Washington's furious at him.

00:58:56.000 You know, our gas prices are going up right now.

00:58:58.000 He's he's he's not he's not opening up the tap.

00:59:01.000 He's pissed off.

00:59:02.000 What's the story of Hezbollah?

00:59:03.000 Who are they?

00:59:04.000 Where did they come from?

00:59:06.000 Hezbollah is a Shia faction in Lebanon that was really formed in the 1980s when Israel invaded Lebanon.

00:59:16.000 Israel thought that the Shia, because they were a minority that had been mistreated, would be their allies and that they would greet them with candy. 0.83

00:59:23.000 But then the Israeli forces started abusing them.

00:59:26.000 Hezbollah formed after the Iranian revolution with some support from Iran, and they became one of the most powerful forces in resisting Israel as it consistently attempted to

00:59:40.000 occupy and reoccupy Lebanon. 0.88

00:59:42.000 And they're responsible for forcing Israel out completely in 2000. 0.90

00:59:48.000 They acquired anti-tank weapons.

00:59:51.000 They were training in combined arms tactics.

00:59:56.000 And in 2006, Israel again attempted to destroy Hezbollah.

01:00:00.000 Remember Condoleezza Rice called it the birth pangs of a new Middle East.

01:00:04.000 A test case for the war with Iran.

01:00:07.000 And they repelled Israel when Israel came in again with tanks.

01:00:11.000 And Hezbollah has only gotten stronger. 0.95

01:00:14.000 They are led by a political wing.

01:00:16.000 Hassan Nasrallah is their spiritual leader.

01:00:18.000 And he is an ally of Iran, but not a proxy.

01:00:22.000 In many ways, he can influence the strategic calculus that Iran makes.

01:00:27.000 And they do also have Christian supporters because they're like a state within the Lebanese state.

01:00:37.000 And they prioritize resisting Israel, which is really popular there, whereas the Lebanese army is totally trained by the US, just like the Palestinian Authority.

01:00:46.000 They're there just to keep the peace.

01:00:49.000 They don't do anything when Israel attacks.

01:00:51.000 And Israel has done so much damage to Lebanon that Hezbollah is just popular. 1.00

01:00:57.000 And Hezbollah intervened in Syria in order to defeat Al-Qaeda.

01:01:01.000 I actually went to one of the villages where they intervened called Malula, which is the oldest Christian settlement in all of the Middle East.

01:01:09.000 Actually, the Passion of the Christ, if you saw that, all of the extras from the Passion of the Christ came from Malula. 0.80

01:01:14.000 They speak Aramaic.

01:01:16.000 Wow.

01:01:17.000 One of the last places in the world Aramaic is spoken.

01:01:19.000 And Al Qaeda took over. 0.61

01:01:21.000 Wow.

01:01:21.000 Turkish, NATO-backed forces of Al Qaeda and Qatari back, and they took the nuns hostage.

01:01:27.000 And Hezbollah came in and liberated that town.

01:01:31.000 So can we pull up this map here?

01:01:35.000 And take a look at Iran.

01:01:38.000 Look where Iraq and Afghanistan are. 1.00

01:01:39.000 Most people don't know their geography.

01:01:41.000 And so when you wonder about the U.S.

01:01:43.000 involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the U.S.

01:01:47.000 has consistently been trying to You know, whatever you want to say.

01:01:52.000 Like, these elements within the U.S.

01:01:55.000 government want war with Iran.

01:01:57.000 And when you understand the Kurdish-Turkey pipeline as one small story in all of this, I would say on the surface, it seems that all of this, everything we're talking about, is about supplying Europe with cheaper energy to compete with U.S.

01:02:13.000 adversaries.

01:02:14.000 Yeah, controlling the trade routes.

01:02:15.000 Would you agree, or what do you think?

01:02:17.000 When the US began sanctioning Venezuela and Iran, it had to then take its oil from Russia. 0.63

01:02:30.000 And now we're sanctioning the crap out of Russia, so the oil prices are going up. 0.99

01:02:35.000 And Europe, I mean, they're screwed. 0.99

01:02:37.000 Germany doesn't have a plan B. You know, the Green Party is in their governing coalition. 0.98

01:02:42.000 They wanted to take even nuclear offline.

01:02:45.000 Now they're bringing, what, 26 coal-fired plants back online.

01:02:48.000 But why are they doing that?

01:02:50.000 Why not just go nuclear?

01:02:52.000 Because they're the Green Party.

01:02:54.000 It's completely ideological.

01:02:55.000 This is insane.

01:02:57.000 So the point is, this is blowing back this entire drive for war with Iran, regime change in Venezuela, turning Ukraine into an unsinkable aircraft carrier. 0.57

01:03:11.000 It's destroying Europe, which the U.S. 0.95

01:03:16.000 kind of likes for now because we sell them our liquid natural gas that they weren't trying to buy, but it will eventually come back here and it's hurting the American consumer already.

01:03:24.000 Everybody's feeling it.

01:03:25.000 So, we're going to pull up the map real quick.

01:03:27.000 For those that don't understand, there's a story, I think it was in 2012, The Guardian reported that as of 2009, U.S.

01:03:34.000 intelligence wanted to destabilize Syria because we wanted to build a natural gas pipeline from, I believe it was the Persian Gulf, through Iraq.

01:03:43.000 Was it the Persian Gulf?

01:03:44.000 It was through Iraq, through Syria, through Turkey, into Europe.

01:03:47.000 Partly, or I should say majority of the largest reason why was to offset the Russian Gazprom natural gas monopoly.

01:03:56.000 Syria said no.

01:03:58.000 Syria is allied with Russia and outright refused to allow this.

01:04:01.000 Of course, they also have, Russia has a military base in Tartus, which is, where is, there it is, right here.

01:04:08.000 And so, conveniently for the United States, whatever you believe, Syria falls into civil war with the United States on the side opposing Assad, whatever side that may be.

01:04:17.000 And it seems like now with Ukraine, with Burisma, all of these things are deeply connected to, we are trying to get cheap energy into Europe.

01:04:27.000 It's a very simple way of putting it.

01:04:29.000 Nord Stream gets blown up.

01:04:32.000 Where's the U.S.

01:04:33.000 military in Syria?

01:04:35.000 It's in the Northeast, where all the Canoco oil fields are.

01:04:39.000 Well, Trump told us that!

01:04:40.000 Well, Trump tried to pull them out.

01:04:43.000 Yeah, they lied about it.

01:04:45.000 If I understand correctly, they're actually, they were in Iraq, based in Iraq and going to Syria from Iraq.

01:04:54.000 And Trump wanted to get our troops out of Syria.

01:04:56.000 It's really funny because when was the formal declaration of deployment?

01:05:01.000 Right?

01:05:02.000 It's like, just all of a sudden it's like, we have troops in Syria.

01:05:04.000 It's like, wait, when?

01:05:05.000 Well, the thing is, but the reason that there, the reason there was no declaration is because it was special forces.

01:05:09.000 So it was like Delta and stuff.

01:05:11.000 So those dudes, they don't- And then they lied to the American people.

01:05:13.000 That's because it's Delta. 0.98

01:05:14.000 The American people voted for a president who was saying no more to these garbage wars. 0.95

01:05:19.000 You know what grinds my gears? 0.95

01:05:21.000 That was, that was me in 2008.

01:05:23.000 Barack Obama.

01:05:24.000 And I was, and you know, I very much was listening to what Ron Paul was talking about.

01:05:28.000 My friends were all very into Ron Paul.

01:05:29.000 And then when it came down to the actual election, my friends were just like, dude, he's clearly

01:05:33.000 not like the establishment.

01:05:35.000 This is our one chance.

01:05:37.000 And I was like, okay, whatever.

01:05:38.000 I mean, I'm in Chicago.

01:05:39.000 I'll vote for him.

01:05:40.000 I don't know if it means anything.

01:05:41.000 And then he went, what was one of the first things he did was he bombed a village of women 0.74

01:05:44.000 and children.

01:05:45.000 I think he killed 23 or something like that.

01:05:46.000 In Yemen, in Hodeidah, right? 0.87

01:05:48.000 Perhaps.

01:05:49.000 All I know is, I'm at these anti-war protests, they're saying George W. Bush is Hitler, and then Obama's like- Oh, Obama, Obama, yeah.

01:05:56.000 I thought we were talking about the Trump era, sorry.

01:05:58.000 Oh no, no, Obama did.

01:05:59.000 Yeah.

01:06:00.000 Yeah, so George W. Bush, they're calling him Hitler, they're waving these signs at him with the Hitler mustache.

01:06:03.000 So I'm like, okay, well I'll vote for Obama.

01:06:05.000 And then I think it was like within a few weeks, actually I think it was like three days later, after his inauguration, Women and children killed, 23 or so.

01:06:13.000 And then I was just like, oh, okay.

01:06:16.000 No, that was... Well, there's a lesson learned.

01:06:17.000 That was my ticket out of the Democratic Party forever.

01:06:20.000 Oh, that was me, right? 1.00

01:06:21.000 I was just like, oh, so everybody's lied to me and I'm an idiot. 1.00

01:06:25.000 I was pissed. 0.99

01:06:26.000 And then I didn't vote again for 12 years.

01:06:27.000 Well, I mean, it was so much crazier than like just believing in it.

01:06:31.000 It was like he got a Nobel Prize before he came in.

01:06:34.000 A Nobel Peace Prize.

01:06:35.000 I almost...

01:06:38.000 I was really, really, really upset when that happened because I was like, he literally did nothing.

01:06:42.000 This means, this is cheapening the value of every single Nobel.

01:06:48.000 That has been given up before.

01:06:50.000 He got an award for being not George Bush.

01:06:53.000 And there was no reason to believe, other than, you know, he had a nice smile and was charismatic.

01:06:58.000 There was no reason to believe that he was going to have any different policy.

01:07:02.000 There was no change.

01:07:03.000 And there was no change.

01:07:04.000 In fact, he shot just as many missiles and violated the Constitution just as badly.

01:07:09.000 Worse.

01:07:09.000 He killed, he killed, I think he killed more American citizens than any other president.

01:07:13.000 I mean, I think he's the only, well, he's the only guy that ever targeted American citizens is the only one Lee without yeah and and target him without without judicial, you know without due process What it just I'm just so disgusted by all this man signal the idea that we've talked I can't remember who I was arguing with but they were saying that the president has a wide What's what's the birth?

01:07:36.000 Not birth, but like a mandate in terms of defending this country, and if that means American citizens overseas.

01:07:43.000 I'm like, no it doesn't! 0.99

01:07:44.000 That is such fabrication to apologize for the guy they like doing illegal shit. 0.99

01:07:52.000 Dude, I'm sick of this too. 0.99

01:07:52.000 That's all it is. 0.99

01:07:54.000 And I've been thinking, okay, Federal Reserve formed in 1913.

01:07:56.000 World War I begins in 1914.

01:08:00.000 Maybe a coincidence, maybe.

01:08:02.000 World War II ends in 1945.

01:08:03.000 Israel is formed in 1947.

01:08:07.000 Maybe, probably.

01:08:07.000 Okay, I'm done with the coincidences now.

01:08:09.000 The British and the French wanted that area of the world.

01:08:12.000 We've been in perpetual war for 115 years.

01:08:15.000 This is one war.

01:08:16.000 It started in 1914.

01:08:17.000 We're still there.

01:08:18.000 We're still in it.

01:08:18.000 No, no.

01:08:19.000 It's been cold for a while.

01:08:19.000 It's not one war.

01:08:20.000 It's been proxy. 1.00

01:08:21.000 It's the same fucking thing, man. 0.99

01:08:23.000 You can reduce it all the way back thousands of years. 0.99

01:08:25.000 It began in 1914 with this banking takeover.

01:08:27.000 No, it didn't.

01:08:28.000 You know what really frustrates me?

01:08:29.000 As I occupy Wall Street, And they were having a General Assembly meeting to determine what should be the goal, and one guy stands up, waving his arms like, you just said, fracking is everything!

01:08:39.000 Why can't you see it?

01:08:40.000 No, I'm not saying that conflict began in 1914, I'm saying this war, the Great War began in 1914 and it has not ended.

01:08:45.000 The reason World War II- Why did the alliances form?

01:08:48.000 Because they wanted to control the world with the economy, man.

01:08:51.000 No, no, no.

01:08:52.000 Why did the alliances form that led to World War I?

01:08:55.000 Cousins, birthrights, money, there's a lot of reasons.

01:08:57.000 The conflict was well before this.

01:08:59.000 You can get as reductive as you want, it goes back forever.

01:09:01.000 But the banking cartels, the Bank for International Settlements, the Federal Reserve was formed in 1913 and it set the world on fire.

01:09:05.000 The Napoleonic Wars, and what was it, Rothschild?

01:09:10.000 Yeah.

01:09:10.000 The legend of coming back and saying, yes, Napoleonic Wars?

01:09:14.000 They were European wars, yeah.

01:09:15.000 And what do you think World War I was?

01:09:17.000 A global war.

01:09:18.000 With what countries?

01:09:19.000 United States.

01:09:22.000 It was mostly based in Europe.

01:09:23.000 And World War II.

01:09:24.000 These are European powers.

01:09:26.000 And North America got involved when we started calling them world wars.

01:09:29.000 And with World War II, you had the Japanese Empire, which was relatively separate from what was happening in Europe.

01:09:35.000 But yes, even the Napoleonic Wars, you could argue, was like world war.

01:09:38.000 These countries had colonies everywhere.

01:09:40.000 Australia, New Zealand.

01:09:41.000 There's French uninhabited islands near Antarctica.

01:09:45.000 Like, so it was world war.

01:09:46.000 It's been over and over and over again.

01:09:47.000 No, no, no.

01:09:48.000 There's been colonization since, like, the 1600s or whatever.

01:09:50.000 But the war kicked off in 1914.

01:09:51.000 When the French Empire was at war with all the other countries of Europe, that included all of their colonies around the world as well.

01:09:56.000 They fought war there, too.

01:09:57.000 They fought against the Russians, the Dutch.

01:09:59.000 Ian, I think what you're describing is the fact that when the Federal Reserve came into being, it allowed the government to print money, which allowed the government to finance war.

01:10:12.000 And also profit off of it.

01:10:14.000 I don't know that that's the case because I think that they could profit off of war long before the Federal Reserve.

01:10:18.000 But you get to blow things up and then loan them, give them as much of your money as you want?

01:10:22.000 I mean... Anyway, sorry to interrupt.

01:10:23.000 Maybe, but the point is that the existence of the Federal Reserve unleashes, and basically not just the Federal Reserve, but money that's not actually pegged to gold.

01:10:36.000 They can manipulate it much easier if they're printing money that's not pegged to gold.

01:10:40.000 The existence of the Federal Reserve is what really gave governments, specifically the United States government, the ability to fund wars.

01:10:49.000 And when you have the ability to fund wars, then they'll go ahead and they'll look for reasons to go to war.

01:10:54.000 But it's not like all the wars that you're describing.

01:10:57.000 are not the same thing. I think it's all one war. They say World War I and World War II.

01:11:01.000 It's semantic in my opinion. World War I and World War II are. It's the same thing.

01:11:04.000 Then you need to go back further than that. You need to go back to where these alliances

01:11:07.000 come from. I'm talking about this war began in 1914. This is a world war. It's been going on

01:11:12.000 for 110 years and it's banker controlled. Okay, you are ignoring the history of Europe.

01:11:17.000 There's other wars that have happened.

01:11:18.000 I'm not saying that this is the first war.

01:11:20.000 I'm saying it's the first.

01:11:21.000 We're still in this war.

01:11:22.000 It hasn't stopped yet.

01:11:23.000 And it's been cold.

01:11:24.000 And now it's a cold war with China.

01:11:24.000 It was cold.

01:11:26.000 And it's like been proxy.

01:11:27.000 Yes.

01:11:28.000 Ian, when you say China's involved in the same war, you need to go back to before World War I.

01:11:33.000 You are choosing to hyper-focus on the banks because that's what you care about.

01:11:36.000 This banking war started in 1914.

01:11:38.000 No it didn't.

01:11:40.000 When do you think that the Federal Reserve War began?

01:11:42.000 Before the Federal Reserve existed?

01:11:43.000 What are you talking about?

01:11:45.000 The Federal Reserve is a symptom, a creation, because of these things.

01:11:49.000 You're ignoring the history of where these things came from.

01:11:53.000 And you're ignoring where they came from and where their wealth comes from and what conflicts they were involved in.

01:11:58.000 You are choosing to hyper-focus on the Federal Reserve because that's your thing.

01:12:01.000 But, bro, all of this is reductive.

01:12:03.000 No, it's not, man.

01:12:05.000 It's a war.

01:12:05.000 And it's semantic to call the Cold War not World War.

01:12:08.000 World War I is the Cold War. 1.00

01:12:09.000 It's the same shit. 0.99

01:12:10.000 So, Ian, the world wars of the 20th century were wars of ideology. 0.99

01:12:18.000 It was really people figuring out because in the in the 18th or in the 19th century, you had the basically the Industrial Revolution made it possible for people to not live just agrarian in an agrarian society.

01:12:31.000 You had people going to cities and stuff.

01:12:33.000 You had this massive explosion in people that could be become philosophers and blah blah blah.

01:12:38.000 And so In the 19th century, there was a lot of philosophers. They

01:12:42.000 came up with the ideas of socialism. Fascism was the idea was created. Liberalism was

01:12:48.000 a creation that was also in the 18th century. And the wars of the 20th or 19th century, I'm

01:12:53.000 sorry, the wars of the 20th century, were kind of, or at least the first half, were kind of

01:12:58.000 trying to hash out what system works best.

01:13:03.000 You had socialism, you had fascism, you had liberalism, and the way that it worked out at the end of the 20th century is it looked like liberalism probably was the best system for humanity because it allows people to make mistakes without having it being a top-down control.

01:13:19.000 So what you're describing is really more of humans trying to figure out the best way to organize their societies and fighting over the way to organize because you went from Total war.

01:13:31.000 Feudalism in the 19th century and then you went into capitalist societies and then that's where you had enough production where people could start to talk about socialism or fascism and whether the state should be in control or whether the individual should be in control.

01:13:47.000 But these things are all symptoms or the wars that you're talking about are all symptoms of humans trying to figure out the best way to organize their society.

01:13:57.000 We're currently in fascism right now and it's not working very well.

01:14:00.000 We're not in fascism right now.

01:14:01.000 We are in fascism.

01:14:02.000 We have private, corporate... Let me finish this because I want to go on, but there's a war between England and France called the Hundred Years' War.

01:14:08.000 Wars can go on that long.

01:14:10.000 So just consider that maybe we've been in... Like, it's not normal to be at war.

01:14:14.000 How long was the Hundred Years' War?

01:14:16.000 That is not true.

01:14:17.000 War is the norm for all of human history. 0.91

01:14:19.000 I don't think so.

01:14:20.000 It absolutely is!

01:14:21.000 You weren't there, how do you know?

01:14:23.000 I don't think we have to be at war.

01:14:25.000 We've been in a war my whole life, but we've just been winning it the whole time.

01:14:30.000 We've been in a siege where America has 150 military bases controlling people's behavior.

01:14:34.000 War and violence are the norm for human society.

01:14:39.000 Peace is extremely rare, and we are living in an anomalous time where generally our society is at peace.

01:14:48.000 But the world's not.

01:14:49.000 I know.

01:14:50.000 I know that it's not the world.

01:14:51.000 That's why I'm saying our society, Western society, is generally at peace.

01:14:55.000 And it is anomalous.

01:14:56.000 It is not normal in human history to not be at war.

01:15:00.000 There has been If you look at human history, it is drenched in blood and made of piles of bodies.

01:15:08.000 The fact that we can get up in the morning and not worry about dying.

01:15:14.000 I'm not in that place anymore.

01:15:16.000 Huge, huge.

01:15:18.000 It's totally unique to our time and place.

01:15:21.000 I don't feel that.

01:15:22.000 I am worried about dying.

01:15:23.000 That's fine.

01:15:24.000 Pretend like we're not.

01:15:26.000 It's just a ticking time bomb.

01:15:28.000 I understand what you're saying, but I'm trying to what I'm trying to do is give you a little perspective and or to pull you back from the brink, because we are actually in one of the most peaceful times in human history.

01:15:38.000 And human history is full of war.

01:15:40.000 We're going to jump to the story.

01:15:42.000 From Politico, RFK Jr.' 's Super PAC raises $11 million within hours and courts Elon Musk's support.

01:15:52.000 Just hours after RFK Jr.

01:15:53.000 announced he would run for president as an independent, more than $11 million gushed into the coffers of a Super PAC supporting him.

01:15:58.000 American Values 2024 said it raised $11.28 million in just six hours following Kennedy's announcement in Philadelphia on Indigenous People's Day.

01:16:07.000 Are they seriously going with that, Politico?

01:16:10.000 It's Columbus Day, isn't it?

01:16:13.000 According to a press release, millions of independent-minded Americans are seeing through the most powerful censorship and propaganda campaign against any candidate in American political history, said Tony Lyons, co-founder of the PAC, in a press release.

01:16:24.000 They are angry at the DNC for attempting to disenfranchise them, eager to support an honest Democrat and more open than ever before in American history to an independent and honest candidate.

01:16:34.000 So, I guess I'll just throw it to you, Max.

01:16:35.000 I'm curious what your thoughts are on RFK.

01:16:38.000 RFK Jr.' 's announcing he's running.

01:16:40.000 Do you like the guy?

01:16:41.000 Do you think he's going to pull votes from Biden or Trump?

01:16:43.000 I mean, I personally like him.

01:16:45.000 I really hit it off with him.

01:16:46.000 I felt like he was a like-minded person when I met with him.

01:16:51.000 And I've been interviewed by him.

01:16:52.000 He's completely woke in the good way of woke on Ukraine, on issues of Iraq, Afghanistan.

01:17:00.000 And his opening speech for his campaign was in many ways inspiring.

01:17:03.000 I mean, I thought it was a great anti-war speech and he brought up his uncle's wish to scatter the CIA into a thousand pieces.

01:17:12.000 And that was the message we needed to hear.

01:17:15.000 Since then, his campaign has been completely deflated within the anti-war movement since he took on this.

01:17:21.000 Wow.

01:17:21.000 Likudnik kind of extreme pro-Israel dimension to it, which and started to seem like he was

01:17:29.000 agitating for war with Iran. Wow. Didn't seem like... In his speech? Yeah. Yeah.

01:17:34.000 I mean, if you watch, he did this weird event with Shmuley Boteach, who's this kind of like rabbi who runs around calling everyone an anti-Semite who won't do what he wants.

01:17:45.000 He's paid by Sheldon Adelson, who was one of the biggest individual donors to Trump, who came in through Jared Kushner.

01:17:52.000 And it was a weird event.

01:17:53.000 I was like, did you get paid to do that?

01:17:55.000 Like, is there some kind of incentive for you to take on this non-anti-war line?

01:18:00.000 Because you see, I mean, if you're that pro-Israel, you're not going to like hang out with me.

01:18:06.000 You know who I am.

01:18:07.000 It just seems strange to me.

01:18:09.000 So there's just been this feeling of deflation within the kind of anti-war movement, anti-war independent media, within the sectors of the left that initially supported him, the grassroots left.

01:18:21.000 And yeah, the Democrats were always going to screw him over.

01:18:24.000 Yeah.

01:18:25.000 And now the question is, what is he going to do as an independent?

01:18:28.000 Because we knew, we know he was one of the boldest people in America speaking out against the propaganda and PSYOPing of the country during the COVID event.

01:18:39.000 That would seem to drain from Donald Trump if he was an independent or whoever the Republican, a DeSantis.

01:18:46.000 And I've, I mean, hasn't he, I've heard that as one of his recent rallies, he's been Attacking Trump in a more strident way.

01:18:54.000 So, well, it's unclear what he's trying to do here.

01:18:58.000 But you're not voting for him.

01:19:00.000 I mean, I can't see myself doing that, but I don't really, it doesn't matter who I vote for because I live in DC.

01:19:06.000 Well, sure, sure.

01:19:07.000 But I mean, in terms of your moral compass and your heart, if Trump beats Biden, how does that make you feel?

01:19:15.000 Or if Biden beats Trump, like, does it matter to you?

01:19:20.000 I mean, it matters, but I can't see myself voting for either of them.

01:19:27.000 Just looking at it from a more objective point of view, not me.

01:19:32.000 I think this election is so much about whether you trust the system or not.

01:19:37.000 And so many people who just simply don't trust the system are going to vote for Trump just to give the finger to the system, not because they like him.

01:19:46.000 The indictments, a lot of people who've been screwed over by the criminal justice system who are not traditional Republicans are starting to sympathize with him.

01:19:55.000 The things he says about the system, about the deep state, the national security state, the media.

01:20:02.000 Everybody hates the media.

01:20:04.000 It's the worst. 0.68

01:20:05.000 I mean, having been in the media for 20 years, it's like you get all the worst people in the country in one place and then just let them go crazy and dominate your mind. 0.96

01:20:12.000 So Trump is the... I mean, I loved when he would call the media, the corporate media, the enemy of the people.

01:20:19.000 So this is about that.

01:20:22.000 And the people who have the most to lose from the loss of establishment control financially, I think so.

01:20:35.000 I think, I think he's, you can't pull from Trump for the reasons you described.

01:20:39.000 I mean, my, my, my attitude toward Trump is I just think he's the best bet in terms of firing people.

01:20:45.000 You know, I think Ron DeSantis is a negotiator.

01:20:47.000 I like a lot of his policies.

01:20:49.000 I think he's running a bad campaign and I think he goes to DC and then he just says, you know, let's, let's negotiate and play ball.

01:20:55.000 Yeah, Donald Trump, I think, is just, at this point, he wants revenge.

01:21:00.000 That's the joke we made, we made the poster of him that says revenge on it.

01:21:03.000 And if he fires a bunch of people, I'll take what I can get. 0.99

01:21:05.000 I don't, like, when it was Trump versus Hillary, I just thought it was W2, it was garbage. 1.00

01:21:11.000 Like, Hillary Clinton is a psychopath, she's a sociopath, she wants to murder people, she was Secretary of State under Obama, and all of that bloodshed, I'm like, I'm in New York. 1.00

01:21:22.000 You're not getting me to vote for this lady. 1.00

01:21:23.000 Even Obama knew she was crazy.

01:21:26.000 Yeah, he wouldn't let her buddy Sidney Blumenthal work with in the government. 0.92

01:21:31.000 And Sidney's like a gunrunner.

01:21:33.000 He wanted to set up Osprey Global Solutions in Libya.

01:21:35.000 And he was like a longtime advisor of the Clintons.

01:21:37.000 And Obama's like, I don't want him anywhere near here, Hillary.

01:21:39.000 But she was having secret emails with him and like doing what he wanted to get his company set up in Libya when we took over. 1.00

01:21:44.000 Just a dirty, dirty, dirty woman. 1.00

01:21:46.000 But I mean, I wonder if I mean, I have to feel like you're not a Trump guy, but you'd have to think Trump is better than Biden. 0.99

01:21:56.000 Um, I don't think Trump is better than Biden based on him bringing... Okay.

01:22:02.000 I know, I know Bolton.

01:22:03.000 What do you mean better than Biden? 0.98

01:22:04.000 Well, I mean, look, Joe Biden is the perpetuation of the establishment, warmonger, warthog, garbage, neolib, neocon machine. 0.95

01:22:12.000 And Donald Trump is an extremely imperfect loudmouth who at least told us a bit of the truth, tried to get our troops out of Afghanistan and Syria. 0.95

01:22:21.000 And no new wars.

01:22:23.000 So if you don't like his policies, if you don't like his character, if you don't like his attitude, I understand this libertarian argument where they're like, Trump is bad.

01:22:30.000 Here are all the really bad things he did.

01:22:31.000 And I'm like, doesn't it suck that he was better than all the rest?

01:22:34.000 And they're like, well, that's not saying much.

01:22:35.000 I'm like, but it is saying something.

01:22:37.000 I mean, there are things Trump did that I found absolutely horrible, like the trillion-dollar tax cut is, from where I'm coming from, it's just fueling the economic crisis people are in.

01:22:49.000 And where I live, in Ward 8 in D.C., I mean, you just see total desperation.

01:22:53.000 There is no program, there's no social safety net for anyone, and it's fueling homicide.

01:22:59.000 People just don't care anymore.

01:23:01.000 Donald Trump did some off, you know, he brought John Bolton in, he brought Nikki Haley in, he brought H.R.

01:23:07.000 McMaster in, he brought Jared Kushner in, he let Ivanka show him pictures of Syrian children supposedly, and then acted on a false flag to fire missiles.

01:23:17.000 So can you really trust him?

01:23:19.000 Obviously, what the establishment is afraid of with Trump is not what he does, it's what he says.

01:23:24.000 And then with Biden, well, we see what we get with Biden.

01:23:29.000 Seriously.

01:23:29.000 And to your point before, I mean, you know, you should play the man, not the ball.

01:23:36.000 I mean, you can judge me based on my work and the things I do.

01:23:42.000 I think that's only fair.

01:23:43.000 I think all those criticisms of Trump are absolutely fair, and then it's still like he crossed the DMZ into North Korea, and it's like, no new wars, perpetuation of wars for sure, an effort to wind down and get us out of Afghanistan when he brought the Taliban to Camp David, he got attacked for it, and I'm like, negotiate!

01:23:59.000 Negotiate!

01:24:00.000 We're done with this!

01:24:01.000 And he tried getting our troops out of Syria, except for the oil, and they lied to the American people about it.

01:24:07.000 And my attitude is just, I'm not saying you have to support him or like him, but it's like, and you don't have to comment at all, that's up to you.

01:24:13.000 I'm just saying for me, I look at it like, yeah, Trump may be in general bad.

01:24:18.000 I don't know if a president could be good, but he's better than, he's the best president I've had in my life.

01:24:23.000 No, I understand why people feel that way.

01:24:26.000 As a journalist, I'm just not going to be drawn into being like a court voice for a candidate.

01:24:31.000 It's because they're always going to disappoint you.

01:24:34.000 What Trump shows is just he lifts the mask on the fact that there is what you could call a deep state.

01:24:41.000 I just loved when he was in front of the helicopter or whatever and he was like, we're doing this weapons deal with Syria, it's going to be great for the economy. 0.85

01:24:48.000 And then all the anti-war left, they were just like, he just said it.

01:24:52.000 He just came out and said it.

01:24:55.000 What did he do with the drone weapon program?

01:24:58.000 Luke was saying on the show that he gave control of the drone assaults to the generals.

01:25:03.000 So he no longer made the decision of who's going to die.

01:25:06.000 So he kind of washed his hands of it.

01:25:08.000 What was that?

01:25:09.000 I mean, I know that he gave the CIA unprecedented powers to carry out black operations, including assassinations. 0.91

01:25:16.000 The CIA, which is funny because the CIA also was working against Trump.

01:25:22.000 I mean, John Brennan was running Russiagate.

01:25:25.000 And once you're in the CIA, you're always in the CIA, like John Brennan being former CIA and then going on MSNBC and calling Trump a traitor.

01:25:32.000 He's speaking for a wing of the CIA.

01:25:34.000 But meanwhile, the black ops guys.

01:25:36.000 And the CIA were getting to do whatever they wanted.

01:25:39.000 So that's not cool.

01:25:40.000 Yeah, I mean, they say no new wars, but he empowered the deep state by giving CIA authority to do a secret assassinations.

01:25:46.000 And he also, the Abraham Accords on their face sound neat. 0.71

01:25:48.000 But like you were saying earlier, it put the Palestinian people in an icebox and gave the like the kings of Israel and Saudi Arabia, the actual head of Israel, not literal kings, but the leaders, I should say, Emirates, What happens if he fires people? 0.56

01:26:03.000 What happens if he really starts draining the swamp?

01:26:05.000 who are the least democratic, we're gonna get a complete win-win situation

01:26:10.000 under the Abraham Accords, but so much for that.

01:26:13.000 But so I just don't, I don't think you can trust what Trump will do.

01:26:16.000 It was his personnel that really- I think he'll fire people.

01:26:19.000 His personnel choices were abysmal.

01:26:21.000 So that's the question.

01:26:22.000 And I'm not saying they're all- What happens if he fires people?

01:26:26.000 What happens if he really starts draining the swamp?

01:26:28.000 What happens if he goes into the State Department and just is like, you're all out of here. 0.99

01:26:34.000 No more USAID, none of this crap. 0.89

01:26:37.000 Oh, FBI, you're all, you're actually going, you guys are going on trial for wiretapping me. 0.97

01:26:41.000 No, send them all to Unalaska.

01:26:43.000 I feel bad for the people of Unalaska when I say that.

01:26:45.000 I was so depressed.

01:26:46.000 I followed a BLM march up Pennsylvania Ave and they walked right by the J. Edgar Hoover FBI building as if it didn't even exist. 0.71

01:26:54.000 And I was like, that's how I knew this whole thing.

01:26:57.000 This is the guy that like wiretapped Martin Luther King.

01:27:01.000 We're going to go somewhere.

01:27:02.000 But anyway, if Trump did that, I know from a source who was like down with Trump, that one of Trump's greatest fears was assassination.

01:27:12.000 I wouldn't be surprised.

01:27:13.000 The new report is that he only uses individual bottles of ketchup that are sealed. 0.99

01:27:17.000 He is not as dumb as I thought. 0.74

01:27:19.000 And I knew people that were on the campaign trail with him in 2015, said he only eats McDonald's, and the joke was, he just loves fast food. 0.97

01:27:27.000 The issue is that when you walk into a McDonald's, the burger's already made, and you can say, that one right there, and you know it's not been tampered with.

01:27:27.000 No.

01:27:33.000 Whereas if you go to most restaurants, who knows what they're doing.

01:27:35.000 So you're saying, the assumption is that if he tried to fire everybody, they'd kill him?

01:27:39.000 Well, take Reagan being shot by John Hinckley to impress Jodie Foster out of the equation.

01:27:44.000 When was the last significant political assassination in this country?

01:27:49.000 Do you mean like admitted and acknowledged?

01:27:52.000 Yeah, acknowledged.

01:27:53.000 Because acknowledged, then we'll skip over JFK and we'll...

01:27:57.000 Well, you know, I mean, there are more recent ones than that.

01:27:59.000 George Wallace.

01:28:00.000 Oh, sure.

01:28:01.000 OK, George Wallace was running as, I think, an independent candidate in 72, and he was going to harm Nixon because he had a lot of Republican, you know, Southern support.

01:28:01.000 Yeah, right.

01:28:12.000 So he gets taken out.

01:28:14.000 So you think Kennedy's at risk?

01:28:16.000 The Kennedy family history is not confidence building.

01:28:21.000 I don't think the Democrats are threatened by him right now.

01:28:24.000 That's my sense, especially as an independent.

01:28:27.000 I don't think they're threatened by Cornel West.

01:28:28.000 I think Cornel West effectively dropped out of the race.

01:28:31.000 And he just wants to have a platform to go around giving talks.

01:28:36.000 He's a cool, very wonderful human being, but he doesn't have a platform.

01:28:40.000 He just makes proclamations and uses a lot of isms, which is disappointing to me because he's someone I have so much common ground with.

01:28:40.000 Right.

01:28:48.000 But I don't think there's a threat right now to the establishment other than Trump.

01:28:53.000 And obviously Trump's kind of like the front runner.

01:28:56.000 So what will they do if he actually fulfills those promises, if he goes like dark Brandon Trump? 0.77

01:29:06.000 Is that a rhetorical question?

01:29:08.000 I mean, yeah, I'm just putting it out on the table so I don't have to do all the talking.

01:29:10.000 Alex Jones said that his plane would go down in a plane crash.

01:29:13.000 That's how that they would kill him.

01:29:14.000 I don't know. 0.96

01:29:14.000 And, like, a lot of people would celebrate. 0.96

01:29:17.000 Yeah.

01:29:17.000 That would be it.

01:29:19.000 Like, trying to destroy... It doesn't make any sense to destroy the system right now.

01:29:19.000 It is terrifying.

01:29:23.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

01:29:24.000 The system's the least worst system on Earth.

01:29:26.000 It's horrible in a lot of ways, but it... Yeah, the system works.

01:29:29.000 It's just the people in the system that are the issue.

01:29:31.000 People in the system have become wicked.

01:29:33.000 The system's become wicked, you know?

01:29:33.000 People become wicked.

01:29:36.000 What is greed?

01:29:37.000 I'm saying the people that are in the system are who become wicked.

01:29:40.000 The system itself, I agree, it works, but that's why we're saying fire people.

01:29:44.000 We're not saying get rid of the positions.

01:29:45.000 Well, some people are saying get rid of the positions.

01:29:47.000 Oh yeah, I was going to say that.

01:29:48.000 Yeah, I know.

01:29:49.000 But generally speaking, yeah, I agree.

01:29:51.000 The system generally works because it's checks and balances, etc.

01:29:53.000 But there are people in there that have made it so that their checks and balances kind of even out in favor of them.

01:29:58.000 I think there are predators.

01:30:00.000 And they view the world very animalistically.

01:30:00.000 Yeah.

01:30:04.000 And so the attitude of so many people in power is all that matters is power.

01:30:08.000 You know, and then there are the classically liberal individuals, and I don't mean the literal political liberal, I mean people who hold some of these traditional American views of honesty, integrity, negotiation, cooperation, which exist in a lot of different, you know, peripheral political philosophies.

01:30:26.000 And these people think they're playing a good fair game with the predators who are laughing behind their backs.

01:30:31.000 Speaking of the history of our nation and predatorial behavior, how they're like, land grab!

01:30:35.000 And they're like, well, there's people there.

01:30:36.000 No, they're not real people.

01:30:37.000 They're called savages.

01:30:38.000 Just take the land.

01:30:40.000 That's the story of history.

01:30:42.000 Right.

01:30:42.000 That's like, it's not like, and especially successful governments.

01:30:45.000 So like, there's a deer outside my house.

01:30:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:48.000 That deer is eating my grass.

01:30:50.000 Okay.

01:30:50.000 The issue is in, uh, if I was a farmer, And an animal came onto this land and said, my family has been here for a thousand generations eating the plants that grow here.

01:31:03.000 Does it belong to the deer and the rabbits that were eating the plants?

01:31:03.000 Whose land is it?

01:31:06.000 Or the human who put fences around it and said, no, my family gets this now.

01:31:09.000 There's the de facto rule of ownership, which is whoever's there and can take it and control it.

01:31:14.000 And then there's the du jour type of ownership, which is, I have the paperwork that says this is mine.

01:31:19.000 Well, that's when there's a monopoly on violence elsewhere that you can appeal to authority to come and agree with you.

01:31:26.000 But at a certain point, conquest is a real thing.

01:31:29.000 I think we're trying to advance to a point where we resolve matters through rules and legal channels, like I was mentioning, with a classically liberal approach.

01:31:38.000 But I don't think you get rid of predators.

01:31:41.000 And if they can't use force, they'll use coercion. 0.97

01:31:45.000 They'll use soft power.

01:31:46.000 Jordan Peterson talks about the way that we interact as a game.

01:31:50.000 So we all kind of decide that we're going to play this game, and we agree to the rules.

01:31:55.000 And if you're a liberal, and you live in the United States, and you want to have a normal kind of life, You will abide by the rules of the game.

01:32:06.000 The people that don't want to abide by the rules of the game actually are the people that have more power than the people that want to abide by the rules.

01:32:15.000 If you decide you don't want to play and you want to use violence to acquire things, the rest of the people are going to say, well, we have a situation where we have a Process to take care of that and that's police and that's the judicial system etc.

01:32:34.000 But at the end of the day That only works because you have people that are willing to use violence and force to make the person that decided to step outside of the rules of the game play by the rules.

01:32:48.000 And the only rule, once you step outside of the rules of the game, then the rules are just violence.

01:32:55.000 So Max was talking earlier today about the behaviors of The Palestinians and they don't have any recourse, etc. 1.00

01:33:04.000 And so they're choosing violence.

01:33:07.000 But once you choose violence, then it's just a matter of who's got more power. 1.00

01:33:12.000 In my opinion, for the Palestinians to choose violence is a terrible decision because they're going to get the shit stomped out of them. 1.00

01:33:18.000 Because of the fact that Israel just has more military power whether or not that and I'm not talking about right or wrong I'm just saying the actual conditions Mao said Actual political power comes out of the barrel of a gun and in you know starship troopers the violence is the ultimate authority that that all other authority gets its power from and that is actually true and And so you have to decide, do you want to play by society? 0.98

01:33:43.000 Do you want to have a society that has rules and has people that play by the rules?

01:33:47.000 Or do you not?

01:33:48.000 I mean, in a fair society, you have a choice.

01:33:52.000 They didn't have, I mean, they chose initially, they attempted to choose negotiations.

01:33:56.000 Look what happened with Oslo.

01:33:58.000 They got record amounts of settlements built immediately in their territory, like literally in their olive groves and backyards.

01:34:05.000 So they weren't living in a society that they had any control over.

01:34:09.000 Yeah, I understand that.

01:34:11.000 I didn't mean to pick on what you were saying.

01:34:12.000 I was just talking about just the concept of what is a society or what is a citizen?

01:34:16.000 I mean, being a citizen is you have the right to have rights.

01:34:19.000 And, you know, theoretically, we have that here.

01:34:21.000 We have a constitution.

01:34:23.000 But that's the game we play.

01:34:24.000 More than ever, our rights are determined by a donor class and an unelected group that's deeply embedded in the government that we can't even see.

01:34:31.000 Well, that's what I think has caused a political realignment, by the way, where a lot of people on the left and right who see that are moving away from these traditional labels of left and right and forming a coalition against what people crudely would call the deep state.

01:34:45.000 Yeah.

01:34:46.000 That's what we did at the Rage Against the War Machine rally in February is put aside the left-right boutique culture war differences and just come together because the fight against the Ukraine proxy war really was a fight.

01:34:58.000 against those elements.

01:34:59.000 They've created this war, not us. 0.89

01:35:01.000 The people didn't vote for it.

01:35:03.000 And what is the war really about?

01:35:05.000 I mean, it is about the banks.

01:35:06.000 It is about one of our only productive industries getting flooded with investments, the arms industry.

01:35:12.000 We don't make stuff like we used to in the U.S., but we make weapons.

01:35:17.000 Russia brought it hot, but War is war, man.

01:35:22.000 Yeah, when you siege someone and you hold them in their house and then they break out and make it hot, it's like, well...

01:35:29.000 That's NATO on the doorstep, man.

01:35:30.000 That's Israel putting these people in a little open-air prison.

01:35:33.000 You put them right up against the wall, and you don't let them move.

01:35:37.000 Eventually, if they lash out, who's at fault?

01:35:38.000 I'm talking about Russia invading Ukraine was turning a conflict hot that had already been brewing.

01:35:43.000 Because we'd pushed NATO east.

01:35:45.000 And it's the same thing with the Israelis pushing the Palestinians into Gaza.

01:35:48.000 You push them into it, and you don't give them any other opportunity.

01:35:50.000 They lash out.

01:35:51.000 It's not the same thing.

01:35:52.000 We're gonna go to Super Chats.

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01:36:10.000 Let's read.

01:36:11.000 Culture Abduction says, first, can't believe Ian is slowly turning into Seamus.

01:36:17.000 I'm not a Christian.

01:36:18.000 I just love God and I love communicating with spirits and prophets and things like that, and I'll keep doing it.

01:36:24.000 Mr. Batalon says, fun fact, as per the Geneva Convention, protected locations lose their protected status, i.e.

01:36:31.000 schools and hospitals, if they are used for military purposes, military operations.

01:36:34.000 Correct, yeah.

01:36:36.000 Fix Bayonet says, Hamas named their attack after the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

01:36:40.000 I won't be surprised if civilians tear it down.

01:36:43.000 The Israelis would then be able to build the third temple.

01:36:46.000 Watch for the Temple Institute sacrifices... the red heifer?

01:36:50.000 I don't understand that.

01:36:51.000 Red heifer, it has to do- it's like, uh, it's- I'm trying to remember this exactly, but it's a- it's a significant religious symbol.

01:36:58.000 I can't remember what it is exactly.

01:37:00.000 I can help with that.

01:37:01.000 Thank you.

01:37:02.000 I'm going to probably get it wrong, but basically you need the blood of a red heifer to be able to enter the compound.

01:37:15.000 It's hard to get a red heifer there.

01:37:17.000 Well, all right.

01:37:19.000 Noah Sanders says, Tim, what happened to the Michael Seifert uncensored episode?

01:37:22.000 I went to find my clip of saying he should do a shark tank not even an hour after he announced it on IRL and it wasn't working.

01:37:28.000 What's up?

01:37:29.000 I don't know.

01:37:29.000 You want to take that note down, the Michael Seifert members only, and see if there's something up with it later on?

01:37:34.000 We'll try.

01:37:35.000 We'll get that sourced.

01:37:35.000 Our crew is probably already on it because we have a crack team that is working to bring you only the best content at TimCast.com.

01:37:43.000 All right.

01:37:45.000 MeShoots says, finally got someone smart on the show now Max can pick on you guys like how y'all pick on Ian because you know insecurity issues. 0.92

01:37:54.000 I do love how polarizing you are with like there's a bunch of people being like you're so smart and you're so knowledgeable and others being like you're a fraud and a sham.

01:38:01.000 You really, you did it I guess.

01:38:04.000 Are they mutually exclusive?

01:38:06.000 I think the overall majority of people are just watching, like, the people who comment are like the top tier politically active individuals and they're gonna have very strong opinions.

01:38:15.000 85% of people who are watching are just like, huh, Max, I'll look, I'll see what this guy's writing about and they'll, you know, Matt Gates pointed out that our audience is Super rational and super like logical and when he bumps into he's like you bump into like a Fox News viewer and they're like I saw you on TV once you bump into a Timcast viewer and they're like I thought about everything you said and I've written down this plan so much more you know involved Let's grab some more.

01:38:43.000 What is this?

01:38:45.000 I.D.

01:38:45.000 Jesus, Brett Weinstein, Tucker, Vivek, Bannon, Alex Jones, Dave Smith, etc.

01:38:49.000 are all coming to the conclusion that Israel had foreknowledge of the attack but stood down and allowed it to happen.

01:38:54.000 Change your mind?

01:38:57.000 I think that I would lean slightly away from that.

01:39:03.000 I guess you could say this.

01:39:04.000 I think it is completely reasonable to believe that to any degree, be it small or great, Israel did have foreknowledge of something. 0.50

01:39:14.000 To then say that Israel stood down and allowed, like, these attacks and killings of civilians, I would lean against.

01:39:21.000 I have no evidence, but it is completely within the realm of reasonability for a country to allow a thousand of their citizens to be raped and murdered and captured in order to go to war to destroy an enemy they want annihilated.

01:39:31.000 I completely agree.

01:39:32.000 It's called False Flags.

01:39:33.000 Countries that have utilized this tactic.

01:39:38.000 But I actually think it's not the simple answer.

01:39:41.000 I think if we go by Occam's Razor, it's Hamas. 0.98

01:39:44.000 Like you said, the targeting of civilians is leverage for them to negotiate the release of their people.

01:39:50.000 So a military operation makes more sense.

01:39:55.000 I suppose you could say Israel doesn't need this degree of conflict in order to justify what they're doing, especially as you mentioned, they shot people who are unarmed and there was no outcry over it.

01:40:05.000 Israel has something called the Hannibal Directive in its military, which allows the military to kill its own soldiers if they become captive, if they are held captive, because the political price of them being held captive is so high.

01:40:19.000 You know, they'd have to exchange thousands of prisoners or who knows what.

01:40:22.000 And there's evidence that they have enacted the Hannibal Directive and attacked Hamas vehicles that were carrying soldiers back, live soldiers, back into the Gaza Strip.

01:40:34.000 So I'm not... I think that cuts against the theory that they allowed this to happen because their fear of one soldier being captive is so extreme within the military intelligence establishment in Israel.

01:40:49.000 And now they have dozens and dozens.

01:40:51.000 We don't even know how many.

01:40:52.000 Yeah, I think typically...

01:40:55.000 The false flag narratives, while possible, are usually on the more complicated solution as opposed to the simple solution.

01:41:02.000 And the simple solution, in the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions tends to be correct.

01:41:11.000 Israel and Hamas conflict.

01:41:12.000 Hamas wants captives.

01:41:16.000 They take civilians. 0.86

01:41:16.000 They take soldiers. 0.86

01:41:17.000 They use them as political bargaining chips.

01:41:20.000 Much, much simpler and least amount of assumptions as opposed to Egypt warrants Israel.

01:41:25.000 Israel says, aha, now's our chance.

01:41:27.000 We'll utilize this to There's also this image of Israel that they market to the world that they have the best intelligence services.

01:41:33.000 They're the surveillance masters.

01:41:36.000 Their economy thrives off of selling their spy tech abroad.

01:41:41.000 They have an entire unit called Unit 8200 that goes into the tech sector afterwards.

01:41:47.000 They were the founders of Black Cube, the company that Harvey Weinstein used to tail his accusers.

01:41:55.000 They're making so much money as consultants.

01:41:57.000 So everyone thinks they're so brilliant and we overestimate them.

01:41:59.000 In fact, they're kind of a paper tiger and they just got humiliated by a bunch of guys on motorcycles.

01:42:04.000 Yeah, but the conspiracy theorists, the people that hate Israel, they're really good at telling people that the Mossad know everything too.

01:42:11.000 And they kill JFK.

01:42:12.000 Yeah, there's a lot.

01:42:13.000 I mean, so maybe we overestimate it, but it's not that it's overestimated just because of the people that are like in supporting Israel or Israel.

01:42:21.000 It's like, The people that hate Israel loved, they'll tell you Israel did everything, you know.

01:42:27.000 My timeline on Twitter has been full of like, but don't you know the Jews control the sun and blah blah blah, you know, all kinds of like, man, Mossad! 1.00

01:42:36.000 Yeah, so it is It is definitely something that the conspiracy theories have globbed onto and really push as well as, and you know, they're not going to stop, they're not, the Mossad and Israel's intelligence service, they're not going to be like, no, no, no.

01:42:50.000 No, they like it, I'm sure.

01:42:51.000 They like it, yeah, absolutely.

01:42:52.000 The Drum Knight says, war never changes.

01:42:54.000 I love this one, but it's a line from Fallout, where I think it was Ron Perlman, right, did the VO, and he's like, war never changes.

01:43:00.000 And it's just like, war changes all the time, dude, come on.

01:43:03.000 Like, I just, I always hated that line in Fallout.

01:43:06.000 War never changes.

01:43:06.000 What are you talking about?

01:43:07.000 There's all sorts of developments.

01:43:08.000 Like, guerrilla warfare was a major advance.

01:43:10.000 Scorched earth.

01:43:11.000 Like, war changes a lot.

01:43:13.000 Digital warfare.

01:43:14.000 Yeah, now you've got information warfare.

01:43:15.000 And aerial vehicles.

01:43:17.000 Oh yeah, right.

01:43:18.000 Israel invented them. 0.87

01:43:19.000 But I suppose the argument is that it's always just about killing and destruction.

01:43:23.000 But yeah, I still gotta say, eventually it's gonna be robots fighting robots.

01:43:26.000 It's gonna be fun.

01:43:27.000 Yeah, like our drones versus their drones.

01:43:29.000 I mean, you see that over in Israel with the rockets versus rockets almost.

01:43:31.000 It's machine on machine.

01:43:33.000 Yeah, crazy.

01:43:35.000 Alright, where we at?

01:43:37.000 Let's grab this one.

01:43:38.000 Uh, Glenn Manaval says, Breaking points had a good video on debunked videos and photos.

01:43:42.000 A circulating video was a video game screenshot.

01:43:44.000 Be wary of the fake stuff.

01:43:46.000 Yeah.

01:43:46.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:43:47.000 If a reporter comes out and says, I'm hearing babies were beheaded.

01:43:49.000 I'm like, okay, well, a reporter hearing something and an official statement from military or spokesman or something.

01:43:55.000 So I'm expecting to see a blurry image of a baby with a head in the next week or two.

01:44:01.000 I just bought a bunch of these, by the way.

01:44:02.000 They're really good.

01:44:06.000 So be wary of seeing something because there could be false or deepfaked images of babies with heads cut off.

01:44:12.000 You might start seeing images in the next three to five days, two weeks, to verify the claim.

01:44:16.000 Maybe they don't show it all at once.

01:44:18.000 Maybe it's legitimate.

01:44:19.000 I don't even know yet.

01:44:20.000 Alexander Ali says, has Tim gone full neocon yet?

01:44:23.000 No, but between Cassandra Fairbanks and Elad Eliyahu, man, I'm being ripped in two directions.

01:44:27.000 Oh, wow.

01:44:31.000 Yeah, it's funny when... It's true, though.

01:44:33.000 Yeah, Cassandra is just so 100% purely anti-intervention, and Elad is... he called himself the resident neocon.

01:44:42.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 So he's... He's that mustache.

01:44:44.000 Yeah, he's a Bolton bro.

01:44:45.000 And he's very much like, the United States should be the unipolar power in the world.

01:44:49.000 He doesn't want other countries getting a foothold and things like that.

01:44:52.000 After having spent so much time in Israel, Max, what's your interventional stance?

01:44:56.000 How do you feel about foreign wars and things like that?

01:44:58.000 I mean, I'm an anti-interventionist.

01:45:01.000 That's why I'm able to find common ground with people who are libertarians or conservative.

01:45:07.000 Why I spoke at the Ron Paul Institute is, you know, we should not be over there.

01:45:12.000 But I also think that's kind of an issue of, like, honesty and integrity.

01:45:16.000 There are a lot of people that, you know, we describe these prominent left-wing personalities as just agreeing with whatever tribal position and refusing to have conversations.

01:45:25.000 Like, their position will change with whatever the narrative is.

01:45:30.000 Like, you know, I'm somewhat reluctant to bring it up, but... Progressives just means you follow the PSYOP at this point.

01:45:38.000 It doesn't even have any principles attached to it.

01:45:41.000 Yeah, they're like, we must support the war in Ukraine because that's the official corporate narrative.

01:45:45.000 We progressed on to the next thing.

01:45:46.000 That's the Young Turks in a nutshell.

01:45:49.000 But I think, did something happen with Cenk Uygur arguing with Hassan?

01:45:52.000 Cenk went on Hassan's show and they went at it.

01:45:54.000 Cenk was like, no Hassan, no. 1.00

01:45:56.000 Hassan was defending, I think... The police, the police thing.

01:46:00.000 Well, Hassan was saying police are bad, and Cenk was saying releasing these criminals is making things worse.

01:46:06.000 But the progressive narrative is, no, release the criminals!

01:46:11.000 But Ukraine, I think, is a really great example of people claiming to be on the left.

01:46:18.000 I mean, have they called you right-wing yet?

01:46:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:20.000 Far-right, right-wing.

01:46:21.000 Oh, we got an article together!

01:46:22.000 I mean, come on.

01:46:23.000 That was like 10 years ago.

01:46:24.000 After today, it's like finished.

01:46:26.000 What was it?

01:46:27.000 What was that like?

01:46:28.000 No, that was like 9 years ago?

01:46:30.000 What was the article?

01:46:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:32.000 The Southern Poverty Lawsuit.

01:46:33.000 But it wasn't even like an SPLC job.

01:46:36.000 It was like this weird character came in there.

01:46:40.000 Who is like this anarchist freak from Portland who had no journalistic chops and he concocted this vast conspiracy that involved me, you, Katrina Vanden Heuvel from The Nation, Stephen Walt, and we were all controlled by Vladimir Putin to enact this red-brown conspiracy to take over alt-media. 0.57

01:47:02.000 They had to apologize for it.

01:47:04.000 It was absurd.

01:47:06.000 Argued that they called me alt-right I think and they argued that I was right-wing their source

01:47:11.000 Well, they said you went to Iran so Iran was controlled.

01:47:15.000 Right, right, right Yeah

01:47:15.000 But I think they said like alt-right Tim pool went to Iran or something for a Holocaust denial conference or something

01:47:20.000 like this Which is just like the most insane thing imaginable. I've

01:47:24.000 never been there This is crazy!

01:47:26.000 You should print that article and put it on the wall somewhere.

01:47:28.000 Yeah, I think it's archived somewhere.

01:47:29.000 They had to apologize for it.

01:47:31.000 But it's funny, I mean, it was a long time ago, but I think the interesting thing is, the only, I think the only thing that really connected all of us was we're, to varying degrees but greatly, anti-war and anti-intervention.

01:47:43.000 Yeah, and so we're seen as a threat to the American order.

01:47:49.000 I could go deep into that rabbit hole, but it's going to bore everyone watching this. 0.99

01:47:52.000 But anyway, I called the Southern Poverty Law Center and said, this is bullshit. 0.85

01:47:57.000 And they retracted all three like on the spot. 0.97

01:47:59.000 That's crazy.

01:48:00.000 But it's just because they were afraid of a lawsuit.

01:48:03.000 Good, good.

01:48:03.000 And I should have just done the lawsuit.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, true.

01:48:07.000 Well, I think, I mean, it's tough because I don't, I don't think they, I don't think that, I don't think you'd win that one.

01:48:15.000 Right?

01:48:15.000 Right wing is an opinion.

01:48:16.000 It's a nebulous statement.

01:48:17.000 And that's, that's why they get away with it.

01:48:19.000 But I think it's hilarious how if you are anti-war, they're just calling you right wing these days.

01:48:23.000 Well, Majid Nawaz won a $30 million lawsuit against them because they called him an Islamophobe.

01:48:29.000 So that was a characterization as well.

01:48:31.000 But interesting.

01:48:32.000 And I think, no, it was a summary.

01:48:33.000 It was a settlement because he actually didn't want to go to court.

01:48:36.000 I think it's, I think, yeah, honestly, I think you should have sued.

01:48:39.000 And I think, All of us.

01:48:41.000 It should have been like a class action.

01:48:43.000 Well, I got called by some lawyer or something.

01:48:45.000 I thought there was like some lawyer involved.

01:48:47.000 I don't know.

01:48:47.000 It's been 10 years, man.

01:48:48.000 They got a lawyer's letter.

01:48:50.000 But anyway, you're right.

01:48:52.000 Everyone had like a similar opposition to the U.S.

01:48:56.000 just dominating the world militarily.

01:48:58.000 And you look at China, whatever you think about China, what countries have they attacked like recently?

01:49:04.000 Tibet.

01:49:05.000 Well, that's not really a country and it wasn't any cost to them.

01:49:08.000 But what I'm saying is they're not going thousands of miles away and sending their troops into conflicts like Iraq.

01:49:15.000 They're not weakening themselves.

01:49:16.000 They're preparing.

01:49:17.000 They're buying stuff.

01:49:18.000 Yeah, they're buying stuff.

01:49:19.000 They're creating infrastructure.

01:49:21.000 They're cutting deals.

01:49:22.000 And that's how they're going to do it.

01:49:23.000 Yeah, creating debt in Africa. 0.95

01:49:25.000 And the US's only move apparently is bombs, which it's just, that's why I'm like, this stuff doesn't work.

01:49:30.000 Secure our borders, build up our manufacturing base, cut these garbage international treaties, and then lead by

01:49:36.000 wealth and like...

01:49:38.000 Right. Prosperity.

01:49:40.000 Yeah, make people want to be like us and build cultural influence.

01:49:43.000 I guess the Tibetan, it wasn't an invasion, Chinese invasion, it was an annexation. 0.75

01:49:48.000 Tibet used to be a country.

01:49:49.000 And then at what point, like 50 years ago, China was just like, you know, you're part of China, or they just keep saying it.

01:49:53.000 And Tibet's like, we have no voice.

01:49:55.000 Is that what's going on over there?

01:49:56.000 Well, the Dalai Lama was a CIA asset, as were his forces, and they were being used As the the Uyghur nationalist movement was by the CIA to balkanize China and China went in.

01:50:11.000 The population was living under a boy king in abject poverty and China went in and much of the population actually welcomed them because they started to get homes and to be able to not worship a boy king and have infrastructure and plumbing and electricity.

01:50:26.000 But there's also a Tibetan exile nationalist movement that's just This isn't a judgment on whether they're right or wrong.

01:50:34.000 Where are the Uyghurs based? 1.00

01:50:35.000 Here in Northern Virginia, right near Langley.

01:50:38.000 And the National Endowment for Democracy is funding all of their NGOs.

01:50:41.000 So this isn't a judgment on whether they're right or wrong.

01:50:45.000 It's about...

01:50:46.000 We're gonna read some more.

01:50:47.000 We got this from Alejandro Reyes.

01:50:49.000 He says, Boy, I'm glad failed all that remains lead singer is here for sanity's sake, but thank God someone is having this argument.

01:50:55.000 I never was able to have one with people I know.

01:50:57.000 We should put a gold record on the wall behind you.

01:51:00.000 Oh, yeah, bring one.

01:51:01.000 Yeah, and you can hang it up behind you when you're here.

01:51:03.000 Right failed on it.

01:51:05.000 All right, we'll grab some more super chats.

01:51:07.000 What have we here?

01:51:09.000 David Guyton says, Tim, I make metal sculptures on my YouTube channel.

01:51:13.000 I made you a memento mori mask based on stoic philosophy.

01:51:16.000 It's yours if you want it.

01:51:17.000 Oh, cool.

01:51:19.000 I don't know how to go about sourcing that stuff, though.

01:51:23.000 Tweet at Ian.

01:51:25.000 I'm open to that.

01:51:25.000 I have no other response.

01:51:27.000 Tweet at me and send me a direct message.

01:51:30.000 Do both.

01:51:32.000 Edgar Ortiz says, good on Tim for having a credible journalist such as Max on.

01:51:36.000 Not sure who the other guy is, though, but could learn a little something from Max.

01:51:40.000 You see, you get one person being like, Phil, you so right about this.

01:51:43.000 Another person says, Max is so right about this.

01:51:45.000 I can, I respect the- Well, that's what happens when you have so many diverse guests on.

01:51:50.000 Yeah, I'm the failed musician guy.

01:51:52.000 That's who I am.

01:51:53.000 Oh, but I mean, typically, like, the left doesn't come on the show.

01:51:56.000 It's pulling teeth. 0.66

01:51:56.000 It's impossible. 0.66

01:51:57.000 You know?

01:51:58.000 And so then, you know, I don't know.

01:52:01.000 It is what it is.

01:52:02.000 It's frustrating to me because the left could get so much more done if it would just focus on issues instead of virtue signaling.

01:52:10.000 Yeah.

01:52:11.000 That's, which is a large component of what our issue is.

01:52:14.000 Yep.

01:52:14.000 You know?

01:52:15.000 And so, like, we've had some leftists on, and we have, like, these books, like, this book is gay, where it's got explicit material and kids should not be exposed to. 0.72

01:52:23.000 Some leftists we bring on will say, no, I agree, you're right, that book should not be for kids, I don't know why they're even defending it.

01:52:28.000 And I'm like, well, then you need to speak up, because you're saying nothing and, like, lowering your head, while these other people we've had come on the show just explicitly defend it and say kids should have it.

01:52:37.000 And I'm like, you're just saying that because that's the progressive line of, like, the narrative, or the PSYOP.

01:52:43.000 All right.

01:52:44.000 What is this?

01:52:45.000 Well, that's the dividing line issue.

01:52:47.000 It's like, okay, you're not with me on the trans issue, so we can't work together against Ukraine. 0.66

01:52:52.000 To me, that's so much more important than the trans issue.

01:52:57.000 And so I'm willing to work on a tactical basis with the Freedom Caucus.

01:53:04.000 With Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:53:06.000 I might not agree with her on other things.

01:53:07.000 Yeah, but I mean, avoiding World War III might, you know, be pretty important.

01:53:11.000 Yeah, I'd like to disagree later.

01:53:12.000 Let's stay alive.

01:53:13.000 And at the Grey Zone, we'll, like, promote their initiatives to end.

01:53:17.000 We have promoted Paul Gosar's initiative to end the emergency declarations on Libya, Syria, Yemen.

01:53:24.000 And this was the Freedom Caucus.

01:53:26.000 These declarations are used to make war on those countries.

01:53:28.000 And the left is just giving them the cold shoulder when they totally agree.

01:53:32.000 So...

01:53:33.000 I think AOC is an evil person. 0.98

01:53:36.000 I think she is fake. 0.98

01:53:39.000 I think she's just going through the motions.

01:53:42.000 I don't know.

01:53:43.000 I think she'll be the establishment. 0.79

01:53:45.000 She'll be the next Nancy Pelosi. 0.95

01:53:46.000 She's the new Obama. 0.98

01:53:48.000 Well, there you go.

01:53:49.000 Or that.

01:53:49.000 That works.

01:53:51.000 We need allies now, so let's work together.

01:53:53.000 Alright, PTB says, anyone who likes Malort hates themselves.

01:53:59.000 Okay, great.

01:53:59.000 I'm not trying, you know, I want to be careful because I don't want to rag on Mallory.

01:54:02.000 I'm from Chicago, but the Chicago joke is he just says he drinks more.

01:54:08.000 For those that don't know, Malort is like a prominent, it's a well-known liqueur in Chicago.

01:54:13.000 It's Wyrmwood liqueur, right?

01:54:14.000 Yeah.

01:54:15.000 And people in Chicago think it's horrible, but they want everyone to drink it.

01:54:20.000 And so they buy tons of it to get people to drink it.

01:54:23.000 And the joke is, it's distilled from the grass that grows on the side of Interstate 55.

01:54:28.000 So everybody from Chicago knows.

01:54:29.000 It tastes like it.

01:54:32.000 I just have it.

01:54:33.000 You like it?

01:54:33.000 That's the grass I like.

01:54:36.000 Alright, where are we at?

01:54:37.000 And I'm a self-hating Jew, so... Do you believe in God?

01:54:41.000 You've gotten some of those comments, for sure.

01:54:44.000 In a way.

01:54:45.000 A side of salt, let's read this one. A side of salt says Hamas is in charge of Palestine. 0.87

01:54:49.000 Their charter calls for the eradication of Jews and Christians. WTF do you mean? It's 1.00

01:54:54.000 not religious, Max.

01:54:56.000 The Hamas charter was formally changed to remove those anti-Semitic passages in 2016

01:55:04.000 or 17. It's no longer there, but I don't know how much time we have.

01:55:11.000 I would love to address the issue of Arab antisemitism.

01:55:15.000 We can go nuts on the after show in a few minutes.

01:55:17.000 We'll go deep into all this stuff and I'm sure it will be equally polarizing.

01:55:22.000 It needs to be understood.

01:55:24.000 They did that just so that they could attempt to negotiate with the outside world because they recognize it's ugly.

01:55:30.000 Anyway, here we are.

01:55:31.000 Right.

01:55:32.000 Let's try and grab a couple of good ones.

01:55:34.000 There was one that I really wanted to get.

01:55:37.000 And where did it go?

01:55:39.000 Hmm.

01:55:43.000 Alright, well, I'll just read this one. 0.98

01:55:44.000 DTYLMW says, Tim, I'm begging you, please bring in a real historian that can push back to all this nonsense this clown is talking about.

01:55:51.000 As a starting point, please read and learn about the whole history from the book, The Palestinian Delusion.

01:55:57.000 They can't all be praising you for being a good journalist.

01:55:59.000 Some of them have to be criticisms, but... Well, it's either real or fraud.

01:56:03.000 Yeah.

01:56:06.000 Alright, A.B.

01:56:07.000 says, aw, did it just jump on me?

01:56:09.000 It did just jump, yeah.

01:56:10.000 I hate when YouTube does that.

01:56:11.000 Yeah, it's frustrating, man.

01:56:13.000 Right there, it's right there.

01:56:13.000 Oh, there you go.

01:56:14.000 He says, uh, A.B.

01:56:15.000 says, Ian, you do know that Sidney Blumenthal is Max Blumenthal's father, right?

01:56:19.000 Is he?

01:56:20.000 Well, that's why you brought it up.

01:56:21.000 No, I don't know.

01:56:22.000 Are you guys related?

01:56:24.000 Yeah, he's my father.

01:56:24.000 Oh, so what's up?

01:56:26.000 You're just talking crap about Hillary, like, they're tight. 1.00

01:56:28.000 Well, I don't agree. 0.99

01:56:31.000 And I speak for myself.

01:56:33.000 You don't agree with your dad or you don't agree with Hillary?

01:56:34.000 I don't agree with Hillary Clinton.

01:56:37.000 I was formally denounced by Hillary Clinton in 2016.

01:56:42.000 You can look that up.

01:56:43.000 I was denounced by Hillary.

01:56:45.000 I was also denounced by the Trump campaign.

01:56:47.000 I think I'm the only person to be denounced by both.

01:56:50.000 So Max's company, Osprey, they were basically like, when we take Libya, let's make sure our company gets set up.

01:56:55.000 Man, I can't speak to any of that, but all I know is there is no company and no money that I know of.

01:57:03.000 But honestly, I can't speak for somebody else.

01:57:06.000 I'm speaking for myself here. 0.87

01:57:11.000 Hillary Clinton is a dangerous figure. 1.00

01:57:13.000 I made that decision.

01:57:14.000 I spoke out in 2016.

01:57:16.000 Jake Sullivan, who's the NSC director for Joe Biden right now, he authored the statement denouncing me on her behalf.

01:57:24.000 Wow.

01:57:25.000 And it was because she wanted pro-Israel money from her largest donor who is named Haim Saban.

01:57:31.000 My father is a complex figure.

01:57:35.000 He helped start alternative media in the early 70s.

01:57:39.000 His columns on the Iraq war are like vicious denunciations of the neocons.

01:57:43.000 And in some senses, yeah, that work has inspired me, but I don't agree with him on other things.

01:57:48.000 And I think a lot of people watching this don't agree with their parents on politics.

01:57:54.000 I'm just here to do my own work, and to be judged on that.

01:58:00.000 I would love to have Max in here, because I've talked crap about him before.

01:58:03.000 You mean Sidney?

01:58:05.000 He's Max.

01:58:05.000 I'd love to have your dad in here, if he ever wants to, and talk about it.

01:58:09.000 He's got his fifth book on Abraham Lincoln coming out, so I'll invite him.

01:58:15.000 Oh cool!

01:58:16.000 Because, I mean, war is the way of the world.

01:58:18.000 I understand this now.

01:58:19.000 Back... I didn't... Before, it was like, war mongers are evil.

01:58:21.000 Stop.

01:58:22.000 But now I understand the power and the value of force.

01:58:25.000 Oh, Ian's full-on an interventionist.

01:58:27.000 Just the other day, he was talking about... He's for intervention now.

01:58:29.000 He's literally trying to make a state in the Middle East.

01:58:33.000 A state in the Middle East.

01:58:34.000 There are times and places when horrific things can be deterred with force.

01:58:38.000 But I would love to have a debate with someone that's been there and worked behind the scenes.

01:58:43.000 I think that, you know, we should find...

01:58:48.000 Maybe prominent academic countervailing views and have a larger conversation, you know?

01:58:52.000 God, that's awesome!

01:58:53.000 But again, I don't do this question for Max just because you're related.

01:58:55.000 I wouldn't, you know... Well, I mean... If we want to have your dad on, we'll ask your dad.

01:58:59.000 We won't ask you about it.

01:58:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:00.000 I'll put forward a request.

01:59:02.000 Happy to do that.

01:59:03.000 Yeah, that'd be great.

01:59:04.000 Whatever.

01:59:04.000 You know, like... He's not really in the game anymore.

01:59:07.000 But, uh... But yeah.

01:59:11.000 I, uh... My work speaks for itself.

01:59:16.000 That's all I gotta say.

01:59:16.000 I mean, the fact that you are that close to Hillary Clinton and are critical, I mean, kudos to that.

01:59:23.000 I mean, we disagree on a lot of stuff, but kudos. 0.99

01:59:25.000 I don't give a shit who you're related to. 0.98

01:59:26.000 I met her once in my life. 0.99

01:59:28.000 Sorry to hear that.

01:59:30.000 Let's, uh, we'll pull up the, uh, one more, we'll do one more.

01:59:33.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:59:33.000 asks, Tim, any word on the 2A documentary?

01:59:35.000 Man, that thing was supposed to be out for the 4th of July!

01:59:37.000 Yeah.

01:59:38.000 And then, uh, we really wanted to include in certain footage, which we have to get clearances on for copyright issues, and so I suppose it's just been delayed due to that.

01:59:49.000 Yep.

01:59:49.000 But it's fine.

01:59:50.000 I don't think it's a big deal, actually, as we're getting into the election season and all that stuff.

01:59:55.000 It might be more prescient or more opportune to wait a little bit on it.

02:00:04.000 And, you know, we'll see.

02:00:06.000 We'll see what happens.

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02:00:36.000 TheGreyZone.com and check us out on YouTube.

02:00:39.000 Just look up The Grey Zone.

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02:00:43.000 We'll do another stream on Friday and I work with some incredible people there.

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02:01:03.000 Sounds good.

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02:01:20.000 I'm very serious about considering offering the Palestinian country to become a state in the United States.

02:01:26.000 This is the most hilarious one.

02:01:28.000 It's not my idea.

02:01:28.000 My friend said it last night and I like balked at him and I shut off the computer and I was sitting there and then it started to all kind of form and I was thinking of like Hawaii is so beautiful.

02:01:36.000 You know that they don't want it, right?

02:01:39.000 Well, I do know that.

02:01:40.000 I do know that.

02:01:41.000 It's like, it's like a less worse of either that or do they want the carpet bombs?

02:01:44.000 Like, what do they want?

02:01:45.000 Let's talk about the members.

02:01:45.000 Yeah.

02:01:46.000 Okay.

02:01:46.000 Bye guys.

02:01:48.000 Uh, yeah, this has been interesting.

02:01:50.000 Um, imsurge.com.

02:01:52.000 Uh, yeah, I'm excited to talk to the members on the show, especially to have this be broken down by you, Max, more so.

02:01:57.000 I think a lot of people don't understand it, don't know many of the like underlying issues behind this.

02:02:01.000 Anyways, uh, we'll see what those stay hitting in, I guess.

02:02:04.000 That's an interesting take.

02:02:05.000 We'll see you all over at timcast.com in a couple of minutes.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 10, 2023

Timcast IRL - Hamas BEHEADED BABIES According To Reports, US Offers Special Forces w-Max Blumenthal

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