Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Hunter WALKS As Trump Faces 100 Years In Jail w-Anthony Cabassa

00:00:00.000 Hunter Biden walks as president Trump faces 100 years in jail, 100 years behind bars for

00:00:17.000 As Hunter Biden, given a sweetheart plea deal, he's allowed to walk for everything that he's done, for the laptop, for everything else that we've seen over all the past years.

00:00:27.000 All of the headlines, all of the data, all of the little pieces of information that have come out, the text messages, the emails, everything we've seen, all the pieces of it, the money laundering, the influence peddling, firing Ukrainian prosecutors, and it all comes down to Hunter Biden giving a plea deal for money laundering and given a slap on the wrist, essentially gets probation.

00:00:51.000 We'll dig into all of it.

00:00:53.000 For this charge for his lying to the ATF on a gun charge in Delaware while using drugs.

00:01:01.000 Imagine if that happened to any of us.

00:01:04.000 Then we want to get into the story of the Titan Submersible.

00:01:07.000 Hours left to live.

00:01:10.000 The people down there, but also the response to it because it seems like there's people who are actually rooting in this case For the ocean and for people to die while trapped at the bottom of the ocean, potentially within or under or in some case in between parts of the Titanic itself, the sunken wreck.

00:01:32.000 And also Riley Gaines!

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00:02:59.000 Joining us tonight to talk about all this and more, Anthony Cabasa.

00:03:03.000 Anthony, who are you and what do you do?

00:03:06.000 Thank you so much.

00:03:07.000 Something looks very different about you, Tim.

00:03:09.000 Got my hair done.

00:03:10.000 What are you talking about?

00:03:11.000 I got my hair done.

00:03:12.000 You can't tell because I also got my beanie done underneath.

00:03:15.000 Gotcha.

00:03:15.000 That's what it must be.

00:03:17.000 Hello, everyone.

00:03:18.000 Thanks for having me here, first and foremost, to the whole TimCast crew and to TimCast himself.

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00:03:29.000 And producers Armet, Sal and Marcia who are tuning in, Los Angeles Young Republicans, and of course my wife and children back at home.

00:03:35.000 My name is Anthony Cabasa.

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00:04:45.000 How you doing tonight, Ian?

00:04:46.000 I'm doing fantastic, man.

00:04:47.000 In like a fireball.

00:04:48.000 Welcome back, everybody.

00:04:49.000 It's been a few days.

00:04:50.000 I think Tim was feeling a little under the weather.

00:04:51.000 Yeah, I'm glad you're recovered from that.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, I decided to go with my sunglasses in honor of Jack Posobiec, who I haven't seen in a while.

00:04:57.000 Shout out to Jack Posobiec.

00:04:58.000 He's out there somewhere.

00:04:59.000 Good guy.

00:05:01.000 Thanks for having me, Tim.

00:05:01.000 Probably sleeping on the job.

00:05:02.000 Yeah, usually he does.

00:05:03.000 Sleeping on his pillows.

00:05:04.000 I got a lot I could say about that guy.

00:05:06.000 I love that guy.

00:05:07.000 We all could.

00:05:07.000 Hey, we also have Puprea.

00:05:08.000 Piece of crap. 1.00

00:05:10.000 Yeah, for real. 1.00

00:05:11.000 Yes, what's up, guys?

00:05:12.000 We are running the show quite well, I feel like.

00:05:17.000 Bear with us.

00:05:18.000 Tim, ready to start whenever.

00:05:19.000 Let's do it.

00:05:20.000 Let's get into this first story.

00:05:22.000 And now I know a lot of people have probably seen this.

00:05:24.000 Of course, we haven't been out on the TimCast trail.

00:05:28.000 Of course, we've been on assignment.

00:05:30.000 Tim Prime is on assignment.

00:05:32.000 Tim 2.0 is here for the time being.

00:05:35.000 Joe Biden, Continuing his Bay Area fundraising trip on Tuesday, appearing at an event in San Francisco where he briefly addressed news of his son Hunter Biden's plea deal, joined by Gavin Newsom, which we definitely have to talk about because there's been this huge question about whether Gavin Newsom is the candidate in the wings.

00:05:54.000 And I'm going to pass this over to our California expert here in a second to talk about this.

00:05:58.000 Let's see what he said.

00:05:59.000 He said, let's see more technological change.

00:06:02.000 He said they finally asked him about the Justice Department court filings after a lengthy pause during which the president looked like he wasn't going to answer any reporters.

00:06:11.000 We have the story from SF Gate, San Francisco Gate.

00:06:14.000 He decided to weigh in.

00:06:15.000 I'm very proud of my son.

00:06:17.000 That's all he said.

00:06:19.000 The White House spokesperson who told various news outlets on Tuesday, the President and First Lady love their son and support him as he continues to rebuild his life.

00:06:27.000 We will have no further comment.

00:06:30.000 Look, guys, this is a story where, and look, I know there's been some happy talk out there across the news networks, across some of conservative media.

00:06:39.000 I'm seeing it in right-wing sources where they say, all right, well, hold on, just hold on.

00:06:43.000 This is just the first shoe to drop.

00:06:45.000 Durham was out there today.

00:06:47.000 He was testifying.

00:06:48.000 Then we're going to have Weiss, and we have other prosecutors in Delaware, and there's going to be other investigations and other shows.

00:06:54.000 Guys, Guys, look, we now live in not a one, not a two, but a three-tiered system of justice.

00:07:01.000 A three-tiered system of justice.

00:07:02.000 good show. That we now live in not a one, not a two, but a three-tiered system of justice.

00:07:10.000 A three-tiered system of justice. This is the thesis that Pozo was lining out.

00:07:14.000 And it's simple because we knew we lived in a two-tier, right?

00:07:19.000 We all got that in 2016.

00:07:20.000 When James Comey, we remember this, right?

00:07:22.000 We remember when James Comey, that's what gets me, is that everybody's acting like this is normal.

00:07:27.000 Everyone's acting like, oh yeah, well, the president's son gets a, you know, gets a plea deal and he's gonna cop to some of these, you know, tax charges.

00:07:33.000 And so he lied to the ATF.

00:07:35.000 I mean, look, if any of us lied to the ATF, we'd get a deal like this as well.

00:07:38.000 It's called a Uh, it's a pre-trial diversion.

00:07:42.000 Pre-trial diversion is what it's called.

00:07:45.000 And it essentially means that he's really sorry.

00:07:47.000 He admits that he did something very naughty and he's definitely not going to do it again.

00:07:52.000 I think that's the same thing that would happen to any of us.

00:07:54.000 Yeah.

00:07:55.000 If we lied about, I don't know, our pistol braces, if we lied about our bump stocks, if we lied about shaving off our, uh, well, there's, there's certain modifications that can be made to a semi-automatic AR-15 that we're definitely We're definitely not going to talk about here, but we could talk about in the member show that if you're listening, we're definitely going to have a conversation about that and more.

00:08:13.000 But if you lie to the ATF, we all know what's going to happen.

00:08:16.000 You're in trouble.

00:08:17.000 You are going to get messed up.

00:08:19.000 And there is now a two tier system, a two tier system that has turned into a third tier system because one tier, that's the proletariat.

00:08:27.000 That's the proles.

00:08:28.000 That's the regulars.

00:08:29.000 That's the hoi polloi. 0.99

00:08:29.000 That's everyone else. 0.99

00:08:32.000 Then there's a tier.

00:08:33.000 There's a tier for the aristocracy.

00:08:36.000 There's a tier for the leadership, the political preferred class.

00:08:41.000 Just as Poso was outlining, again, his award-winning podcast.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, really.

00:08:44.000 Smart guy.

00:08:45.000 I mean, just smart and handsome.

00:08:46.000 How does he do it?

00:08:47.000 I don't know.

00:08:47.000 Yeah, well, no, I mean, he's smart.

00:08:48.000 Yeah, beautiful family.

00:08:50.000 Beautiful family and he's smart.

00:08:51.000 Well, beautiful family and he's smart.

00:08:53.000 I'll give you that.

00:08:54.000 You know, like cartoonists.

00:08:56.000 Look, I mean, is that a high bar?

00:08:56.000 Family first.

00:08:57.000 If you want to set it there.

00:08:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:59.000 Give me that one more time.

00:09:00.000 There's a three-tier system.

00:09:01.000 And then there's a third tier.

00:09:03.000 And that third tier is for people like Donald Trump, but not just Trump, not just right-wingers, people like Julian Assange, people who are troublemakers to the regime, people for whom the legal system, the legal standards get twisted into whatever arcane reading that lawyers and judges will go along with to go after them.

00:09:24.000 A paperwork dispute gets treated as if it is handing over the nuclear codes to Vladimir Putin.

00:09:31.000 We were being told Don Jr.

00:09:32.000 was going to go to jail for the rest of his life.

00:09:34.000 For what?

00:09:34.000 That's right.

00:09:34.000 That's right, Don Jr.

00:09:35.000 Didn't Donald Trump call it too?

00:09:38.000 Like early June?

00:09:39.000 I guarantee you that they're going to come after Hunter Biden with like a small little slap in the wrist.

00:09:44.000 To make it seem like, oh look, the justice system is fair.

00:09:47.000 And actually, I think The View actually made a point of that.

00:09:49.000 They're like, oh look, no one's above the law, not even the president's son.

00:09:53.000 They came after him, and it's like, come on.

00:09:57.000 Imagine genuinely believing justices served here.

00:09:59.000 These are the penalties that any other person in this country would get if they were outside of that narrow political class.

00:10:06.000 Donald Trump is a Nostradamus of our time, I'm just saying.

00:10:09.000 I try to think about, like, when I first heard this story, like, okay, Hunter's getting off easy.

00:10:14.000 I was like, should he?

00:10:15.000 Part of me was like, yeah, he should.

00:10:17.000 Joe should have done the right thing and put his son in jail for 20 years or 15 years for whatever, 10 years, I don't know what it is.

00:10:23.000 And then now I'm starting to question it.

00:10:25.000 I don't even know if this is the way to go is to start arresting everyone left and right for, but I mean, I don't know.

00:10:30.000 What do you think?

00:10:30.000 But these are not minor things either, right?

00:10:34.000 So we see a lot of influence peddling, we see a lot of political leaders trying to profit off of their position, or the family members of political leaders trying to profit off of their positions, and I think Hunter Biden did that in a particularly egregious way, which is beyond the pale of what we usually see in American politics, for as bad as that gets.

00:10:51.000 But on top of that, Hunter Biden didn't just commit crimes that are outside the purview of what the average American might Do or what they could be found guilty of or being put on trial for.

00:11:03.000 So it's difficult to outline the fact that there's a two-tier system when it comes to influence peddling because your average person isn't really in a position where they're going to be able to do that.

00:11:15.000 So it's difficult to compare the charge they would get to the charge that someone who's the member of a powerful political family would get.

00:11:20.000 But when it comes to the gun charges, or when it comes to the dealings with money, let's say, to put it euphemistically, and the fact that he had, I believe, reported his income fully to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:11:35.000 Tim can fact check me on that one there.

00:11:36.000 I mean, these are things that even in those amounts, your average American couldn't be capable of.

00:11:41.000 But they could commit some variety of those crimes, and they would get in way more trouble for it.

00:11:46.000 Well, it's like President Joe Biden said, nobody Fs with a Biden, all right?

00:11:51.000 Isn't that what he said?

00:11:53.000 Here's the thing, though.

00:11:54.000 Here's the thing.

00:11:55.000 The very same people, the very same people that spent, what did they spend all last week doing?

00:12:00.000 When that prosecutor, Jack Smith, got up there at the Department of Justice and he said about Trump, he said, they repeated one refrain over and over, the same refrain you heard on MSNBC, the same refrain you heard on every single network.

00:12:12.000 No one is above the law.

00:12:16.000 They were doing that because they were front loading it.

00:12:18.000 They were priming you psychologically to prepare to respond exactly the way you just said about Hunter Biden because they want you thinking, okay, We did go after Hunter Biden and it gives you a false because.

00:12:34.000 It gives you an out to say, well, that's not true.

00:12:37.000 Hunter Biden didn't get off.

00:12:38.000 Why?

00:12:38.000 Look, he was charged.

00:12:39.000 He accepted a plea deal.

00:12:41.000 He had to do all of these, all of these different things.

00:12:43.000 He had to pay the money back and they looked into it and he was charged there.

00:12:47.000 Therefore, it's okay to go after Trump.

00:12:50.000 But here's the thing.

00:12:51.000 Donald Trump isn't going to be offered a plea deal.

00:12:52.000 That being said, Donald Trump's He's not going to take a plea deal, okay?

00:12:56.000 There's nothing in Donald Trump's psyche that would allow him to admit fault, admit any of this.

00:13:04.000 And he did an interview with Brett Baier, and there's people coming back and forth on that saying, oh, I think it's a Rorschach test.

00:13:10.000 So Trump supporters are saying, this was a great interview.

00:13:12.000 This was wonderful.

00:13:13.000 He knocked it out of the park.

00:13:14.000 And then Trump detractors are saying, oh, this is terrible.

00:13:17.000 He's done.

00:13:18.000 He's done for.

00:13:18.000 This is the end of Trump.

00:13:20.000 The walls are closing in. 0.85

00:13:21.000 His lawyers are committing suicide as we watch.

00:13:23.000 You know, this is the end.

00:13:24.000 It's the end of Trump.

00:13:25.000 And then you've got people in the middle who are like, I still don't understand why he's being charged.

00:13:30.000 Because they asked him about the classified documents and he said he declassified them.

00:13:34.000 And they said he was president when he declassified them.

00:13:37.000 And then he also said, oh, by the way, there were, you know, socks and shoes and commemorable shirts and different things in these boxes.

00:13:44.000 Because remember, we're showing the picture of the boxes.

00:13:47.000 And yet we're not actually showing what was in the boxes.

00:13:48.000 Yeah.

00:13:49.000 In fact, you can't see what's in the boxes.

00:13:50.000 But that's great persuasion, right?

00:13:52.000 Visual persuasion.

00:13:53.000 Look at all of these boxes.

00:13:54.000 And of course, the boxes are full of documents.

00:13:56.000 Exactly.

00:13:57.000 They're just up to the brim with classified documents.

00:14:01.000 I think that what this shows is once again, the Democrats are willing to wield full power and come after anyone.

00:14:07.000 I mean, they literally have the political leader of the Republican right.

00:14:10.000 You know, you can argue that it might be dishonest, oh, it's time for Trump to step down.

00:14:14.000 Trump is still the face of the Republican Party.

00:14:16.000 Like there is no MAGA without, you know, Donald Trump right now.

00:14:19.000 And that's just the reality.

00:14:20.000 And I hear this, not just, you know, I'm not from a red state, I'm not in a conservative

00:14:24.000 state, by any means.

00:14:25.000 I'm in Los Angeles, California.

00:14:27.000 Regular people, like street vendors that I talk to, they're just like, no, yeah, Donald

00:14:30.000 Trump is a Republican.

00:14:31.000 He's that guy.

00:14:33.000 And so, it kind of pisses me off a little bit when I see that, you know, they're coming after, like, Adam Schiff.

00:14:38.000 Like, Republicans can't even do that successfully.

00:14:40.000 Coming after Adam Schiff, trying to censure him.

00:14:42.000 And I think that, you know, last week, we were just talking about this, they tried to fine him a multi-million dollars.

00:14:48.000 And, you know, Thomas Massey, I think he's a great politician, but he's like, oh, well, we don't want to open the floodgates.

00:14:53.000 We don't want to Well, we don't want to cross that line because, you know, well, what if they came and did it to us?

00:14:59.000 And I'm like, buddy, those days are way over, man.

00:15:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:04.000 We gotta stop thinking that way.

00:15:05.000 And I think that that's why conservatives continue to lose all the time.

00:15:08.000 Because they're just, well, we don't wanna cross that line because,

00:15:12.000 well, what if they came and did it to us?

00:15:14.000 We just went through three years of tyranny, of medical tyranny.

00:15:17.000 It's just insane that we're still thinking this way.

00:15:20.000 I cannot believe that there are still conservatives online saying, well, we don't want to cross that line because, well, you know, what if they come back and do it to us whenever they gain power?

00:15:29.000 Dude, they literally indicted the leader of the Republican Party.

00:15:33.000 You think they care about The average Republican out in the street trying to, you know, blue-collar worker?

00:15:38.000 They don't.

00:15:39.000 They arrested your leader and nothing has happened.

00:15:41.000 Like, what are we doing here?

00:15:43.000 Look, and there's just some numbers to back this up.

00:15:45.000 From thehill.com has the story.

00:15:48.000 62% in a new poll say that federal charges against Trump are politically motivated.

00:15:52.000 That's from the Quinnipiac University survey that was released on Wednesday about these DOJ documents.

00:15:58.000 Quinnipiac.

00:15:58.000 That is not exact.

00:15:59.000 That's not, you know, that's not some right wing, uh, paid for Donald Trump internal poll from his campaign or one of these super back polls that gets pushed around every time it's time to, you know, get more donations out.

00:16:11.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:16:12.000 This is Quinnipiac.

00:16:13.000 This is a, if anything, this is a poll that's, that's going to diminish Trump support.

00:16:17.000 And they're saying 62% of all voters.

00:16:19.000 That's not even weighted going into Democrats, independents, et cetera.

00:16:22.000 Look, I think that people, And specifically voters in this country, to your point, I think they're busy, right? 0.97

00:16:29.000 But they're not stupid. 0.77

00:16:30.000 They may not be looking into all the little details of everything that Hunter did. 0.92

00:16:34.000 They're not gonna look into all the little details of everything they're alleging on Trump, but they can see the doubled standard, or in this case, triple standard.

00:16:41.000 They can see that there is a different standard for those in power who are favored and those who are in power who are disfavored.

00:16:47.000 And Seamus, this is something that you and I were talking about beforehand, and We're definitely going to get into this more in the Members Only Hour because this is the type of situation

00:16:59.000 And Ian, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it as well.

00:17:01.000 This is the type of situation that leads to instability.

00:17:05.000 This is the type of situation that leads to people checking out of the system because they don't believe in the system anymore.

00:17:10.000 This is the type of situation that says to people, look, if they come to arrest our guy, if they're using the power of the state, if they're using the power of force to go after our president, at the our leader our opposition leader and if this was

00:17:24.000 happening in any other country we'd call it exactly what it is yeah we call it exactly arresting our

00:17:27.000 opposition leader right if this happened you know this is something that when people go

00:17:31.000 after Putin they say oh Putin arrested his opposition leader exactly the main thing imagine if

00:17:35.000 Trump had right imagine if he actually had put Hillary Clinton in jail right exactly I mean it

00:17:39.000 would be about how we're a fascist third world country 0.50

00:17:43.000 You pointed out that about 60% of Americans see this as ideologically motivated when it comes to the charges against Donald Trump.

00:17:50.000 Part of what concerns me, as it's almost inevitably the case that some number of that 60% of people not only believe it was politically motivated, but think that it was also a good thing.

00:18:03.000 So, some large number of people probably say it wasn't politically motivated, and that's why I believe justice is being served here, but there's likely a contingency that really does believe that this was politically motivated, and it's good that it was politically motivated, because they believe in arresting their political opposition, because they know that they're on the side of truth, virtue, etc., all of the self-aggrandizing things that they would say to promote their...

00:18:23.000 Ideology.

00:18:24.000 When it comes to this question of political instability, I remember what we heard repeatedly through the 2020 riots in order to justify the violence that was happening in the streets was that rioting is the language of the unheard.

00:18:37.000 If that's true, why are you trying so hard to silence the right in this country if you genuinely believe That people become violent when they don't have the proper political channels and an outlet to have their voices heard.

00:18:51.000 What do you think is going to happen if you arrest the leader of the Republican Party, a former president, and the frontrunner for the upcoming election?

00:19:00.000 This is the problem, right?

00:19:02.000 This is the problem.

00:19:03.000 I mean, this could get dangerous.

00:19:05.000 This is what leads people to instability.

00:19:08.000 This is what we've seen happen in country after country.

00:19:11.000 This is what leads people to say, And we don't want this.

00:19:14.000 I don't want this.

00:19:15.000 No, my kids.

00:19:16.000 I don't want anyone who says they do as a LARPer.

00:19:18.000 I don't want my family to live through something like this.

00:19:21.000 But at the same time, we also can play things out.

00:19:24.000 And this is something that Tim prime has been talking about here on the show for years, for absolute years saying that we're seeing this type of instability.

00:19:32.000 Go back, go.

00:19:33.000 If you had told somebody 10 years ago, 10 years ago, That we would see the president of the United States' house raided.

00:19:40.000 That we would see the opposition president arrested.

00:19:42.000 That if you take the left's... The left is out there saying there already was an insurrection.

00:19:48.000 That's their claim.

00:19:50.000 They're the ones who have already said that the insurrection 1.0 already began.

00:19:55.000 And so you are pushing people further and further out of the system.

00:20:00.000 At the same time, when you refuse to look into, and YouTube says we can talk about this now, if you refuse to look into election irregularities, if you refuse to look into the way that ballots are counted, the way that ballots are done, because we threw generations of traditions out the window in the name of COVID in 2020, then doubled down on it in 2022 in places like Maricopa County where Kerry Lakes voters were turned away In droves, saying that, oh, we can't vote, we can't count, the ballots are not printed right, put them in door three, oh, don't worry, door three is going to be fine, these Maricopa County machines, et cetera, et cetera, don't worry, it'll all be counted, it'll be taken care of.

00:20:38.000 People turned away.

00:20:39.000 They went home.

00:20:40.000 I'll present them.

00:20:41.000 And when you don't, when you, last point is, when people don't believe in the integrity of the system, it leads them to seek alternate options.

00:20:50.000 Yeah, but I would also argue, because again, I'm in Los Angeles, one of the things that I do differently than I would argue a lot of people is that I'm directly involved with the community.

00:21:00.000 And I know what their needs are, I know what they're asking for, but the reality is that, and I'll be honest, I voted for Donald Trump 2020, but his biggest fault is to continue to push that narrative.

00:21:12.000 And it's great.

00:21:13.000 You can believe in irregularities, etc.

00:21:15.000 But guess what?

00:21:15.000 Out in Florida, you had some of the strictest election laws passed by Ron DeSantis.

00:21:21.000 Democrats are still winning in Florida.

00:21:24.000 You have people that are winning in mayoral seats out there in Florida.

00:21:28.000 Why? 0.99

00:21:29.000 Because Republicans, I'll be very honest with you, man, Republicans are Sometimes losers. 0.98

00:21:35.000 I'd say about over 90% of Republicans, Conservatives, Christians, they have this defeatist attitude, this doomer attitude about everything. 0.97

00:21:43.000 You know, there's a lot of people that flee California.

00:21:45.000 I'll be honest with you.

00:21:46.000 I've planted my banner of Christ in Los Angeles.

00:21:49.000 I have no plans on leaving, ever.

00:21:51.000 Because I refuse to cede a single inch to godless people, to the communists, whatever it is.

00:21:57.000 I kind of hate, and I'm kind of sick and tired of seeing conservatives often post, you know, and Tim 2.0, I apologize for this, but sometimes when we tell people, like, it's time to flee the cities, it's like, dude, when you're at war, You need to reinforce warriors on the front lines.

00:22:15.000 And you saw it for yourself, man.

00:22:17.000 You came to Los Angeles.

00:22:19.000 You got to see all the Catholics out there.

00:22:20.000 You saw the Protestants out there fighting back.

00:22:23.000 Armenian parents are starting to fight back, man.

00:22:25.000 Like, in no way, shape, or form can I believe.

00:22:27.000 And I'm new to this party.

00:22:29.000 I was never political before.

00:22:30.000 I didn't even vote 2016.

00:22:32.000 I'm new to the conservative side.

00:22:34.000 I just believe that due to my Christian upbringing, I'm just naturally conservative.

00:22:38.000 And, you know, my whole family votes Republican now.

00:22:41.000 But it's alarming to me to see the party of 1776ers, the, you're not going to take my guns, the, you know, we need to fight back. 0.96

00:22:49.000 Convincing people, convincing Christians, this is the most alarming to me, is you need to abandon all these parts of America and just flee for safety. 1.00

00:22:58.000 And the problem with that is, it's not going to be the ballot harvesting, it's Wisconsin just overturned the Supreme Court, right?

00:23:05.000 The Supreme Court at the state level.

00:23:07.000 Arizona just went blue.

00:23:09.000 We're not winning swing states.

00:23:11.000 Why?

00:23:11.000 Because we are convincing conservatives and Christians, abandon all hope.

00:23:15.000 It's time to head to high ground.

00:23:17.000 And people are going to one of three places, Tennessee, Texas, or Florida.

00:23:22.000 There is no Christian, there is no conservative saying, you know what?

00:23:25.000 Maybe our votes don't count here in California.

00:23:27.000 Maybe we should move to swing state Michigan and help make it more red. 0.97

00:23:32.000 That's not the message being promoted.

00:23:34.000 And when you have, again, No, no, no fault to Trump.

00:23:37.000 Maybe a little bit of fault.

00:23:39.000 But if all you're doing is going around telling people the system is rigged, there is no hope.

00:23:44.000 Look, in my county, we had a Republican state assemblywoman and she lost by 577 votes.

00:23:50.000 The reason she lost was because over 30,000 Republicans in my district Didn't want to go vote. 1.00

00:23:55.000 They're like, what's the point?

00:23:57.000 And the thing is, when you have Christians, this is, again, if you're, you know, atheist, if you are, you know, liberal or more libertarian, I can maybe understand it.

00:24:06.000 But if you're a Christian conservative, your message to Christians should never, ever, ever be.

00:24:11.000 I mean, dude, his disciples of Jesus Christ were sent to the most extremist places on earth, and he said you will be persecuted for it.

00:24:17.000 So to me, It's kind of alarming to see so many and so it's it's not going to be the ballot harvesting it's just there's going to be no republicans left and and to talk about the institutions you know people want to be upset at Elon Musk because he hired you know this NBC person but what conservative is out there telling people hey guys don't flee the cities actually become a judge become a lawyer so that we actually have a fair fight at when it comes to crimes oh but the radical DA okay but who's running against that DA

00:24:46.000 Where are our conservatives?

00:24:47.000 I mean there's so many red states.

00:24:50.000 People flee to Florida.

00:24:52.000 People flee to Texas and they're harboring all this power and money but then those states are also not becoming as red as people want to say.

00:24:59.000 So now we're losing Wisconsin.

00:25:00.000 We're losing swing states.

00:25:01.000 We just lost Arizona.

00:25:03.000 I wish I could sit here and tell you it's the ballot harvesting.

00:25:07.000 It's not.

00:25:07.000 It's just that Republicans have been convinced It's all over.

00:25:12.000 This is it.

00:25:12.000 Donald Trump didn't win.

00:25:14.000 Bro, let me tell you something, man.

00:25:15.000 Like, it's way more than Donald Trump.

00:25:17.000 It is you at the local level.

00:25:19.000 There's so many people that have fled California to safe states.

00:25:23.000 They've never ever helped a campaign, never donated $5 to a local school board member, and they're just like, oh, I'm done.

00:25:29.000 And I'm like, but you never started.

00:25:31.000 You just listened to your local conservative that said it's time to leave California.

00:25:35.000 There's a Senator Scott Wilk who just said that.

00:25:37.000 It was one bill that was just passed in California.

00:25:40.000 I think there's a couple things to deconstruct here.

00:25:43.000 Firstly, I don't entirely disagree with you.

00:25:45.000 I think there is some wisdom in saying it could be good for conservatives to move to swing states as opposed to states that are already solidly red so they can help those states Turn red or flip red in local elections and particularly presidential elections, that would be massively helpful.

00:26:00.000 However, I think a person ultimately does have to make the decision that's best for their own family.

00:26:05.000 And if they're concerned about moving to a state where their child is going to be told by some groomer teacher that they're actually a member of the opposite sex and then put on puberty blockers and then the child can be taken from the parent, I would say that's a realistic concern to think about. 0.77

00:26:17.000 And so it makes sense for people to say I'm going to go to a solidly red state, because while you're correct, the apostles did go to dangerous places. 0.66

00:26:23.000 At some point, it is time for Lot and his family to leave Sodom and Gomorrah, because it's going to be destroyed.

00:26:29.000 And I'll also say, if your plan is to go into Nineveh and convert those people, you'd better be a Jonah, right? 1.00

00:26:34.000 And even Jonah had his flaws, but...

00:26:37.000 You really have to be in a solid place, I think, to be capable of persuading people, especially in a very dark area, a very evil area, of embracing truth.

00:26:51.000 So while on the one hand, I think some of what you're saying is admirable about wanting to stay and fight and not giving up your territory, I totally hear all of that.

00:26:58.000 That said, it's perfectly reasonable for somebody with a family to say, you know what, I see what's coming down the pike here, I see the Christian persecution that's ahead of us, and I want to get my family somewhere more safe where they can flourish.

00:27:11.000 Look, man, I have three children, 16, 14, and 7 years old.

00:27:16.000 All of them are in public education.

00:27:18.000 They see what's happening with the public education in Los Angeles.

00:27:21.000 But it is my job as a father, first and foremost, and also as a parent, to teach them.

00:27:25.000 They're exposed to LGBT-ism. 0.96

00:27:26.000 I tell them, hey, we are Christians.

00:27:29.000 We don't believe in everything that they believe.

00:27:31.000 We believe marriage is between one man and one woman.

00:27:33.000 And guess what?

00:27:33.000 My son just got baptized last year.

00:27:36.000 Despite LAUSD and the public education, everyone wants it.

00:27:39.000 Oh, get him out of the schools.

00:27:40.000 But why?

00:27:41.000 I mean, you know, it's a relatively good school outside of some of the stuff that they are teaching them.

00:27:46.000 But my son, 16 years old, I was able to raise him.

00:27:48.000 Raise him right.

00:27:49.000 He's a Christian young man.

00:27:50.000 He got baptized last year.

00:27:51.000 My daughter, 14 years old, she just accepted Jesus Christ as the Lord and Savior.

00:27:54.000 Got baptized just a couple weeks ago.

00:27:57.000 The reality is that it is your job as a parent to parent.

00:28:01.000 You know, people say like, oh, I don't co-parent with the government.

00:28:04.000 Dude, if you pay taxes, you're already co-parenting because you're funding a lot of stuff that are going to affect your children, are going to affect everything that you do in life.

00:28:11.000 And the reality is, if I'm able to do it, and I agree with you, there are some people that really have to go, but I think it should be a last measure.

00:28:19.000 You know, there was a post by Cat Turd.

00:28:21.000 He posted, you know, here's five rules to save your family.

00:28:25.000 Rule number one, get the hell out of your blue state.

00:28:27.000 Second one is go buy land in the middle of nowhere in a red state.

00:28:31.000 The third one is grow your own food.

00:28:33.000 Fourth is homeschool your children.

00:28:35.000 Five, pat yourself on the back because you just saved your children.

00:28:38.000 Bro, there's a lot of homeschooled kids that are not right.

00:28:42.000 Just because you homeschool, it's not a promise.

00:28:46.000 of being raised right or you're not going to be raised in conflict.

00:28:50.000 There's a lot of people that homeschool and unfortunately their children go off to college or university or whatever it is.

00:28:56.000 But my argument is not against people that, hey, if it's right for you, but the reality is a lot of the people that I speak with that leave California, it's because of one thing and it's mostly economical.

00:29:07.000 And they're like, hey, you know what?

00:29:09.000 My house has become... I can't buy a house out here, whatever it is.

00:29:14.000 And so I need to move to a different state to pay lower taxes, to pay less in gas prices, etc.

00:29:20.000 But I just don't believe in that personally, man.

00:29:23.000 I don't think I was put on this earth to pay low gas prices.

00:29:26.000 I'll deal with the gas prices by working harder, making more money.

00:29:29.000 And I get the children stuff, but let my testimony not be the standard or to be exalted, but to show to people, dude, even in deep blue Los Angeles on the front lines of communism where Antifa and Black Lives Matter basically run the city council, dude, here we are baptizing kids because there is a need for that.

00:29:49.000 And let my children, you know, my son, when he started school last year, he's going to 11th grade now, He's like, hey, dad, just to let you know, there's two trans kids that are changing out in our locker room.

00:29:59.000 Like, well, what do you mean by that?

00:30:00.000 They're like, well, it's two girls that pretend to be boys, and so they're allowed to be in the locker room.

00:30:04.000 You know what I told them?

00:30:05.000 I didn't tell them like, oh, you better start standing up!

00:30:07.000 I just said, you know what, son?

00:30:08.000 That is their lifestyle.

00:30:10.000 We don't agree with it.

00:30:11.000 I taught you different.

00:30:12.000 We read the Bible.

00:30:13.000 You know that a man is a man and a woman is a woman. 0.90

00:30:16.000 And then a couple months later, you know what?

00:30:18.000 He was just like, well, that's just the way it is.

00:30:20.000 Because look, man, you can shield your children.

00:30:22.000 That's fine.

00:30:23.000 But eventually they're going to have to face the real world.

00:30:25.000 And to me, I've prepared my children to, to understand that there are different lifestyles, but you don't have to pick up your family and be like, Oh, I'm out of here.

00:30:33.000 I don't want them to see, you know, the gay, you know, or anything like that. 1.00

00:30:36.000 It's going to happen no matter whether it's YouTube ads.

00:30:39.000 I don't know about that.

00:30:40.000 I mean, you look at the non-binary fetish porn in schools, but so Tim has Yeah, to your point about, you know, my normal refrain about get out of cities, you know, and I specifically think about that in terms of children, right?

00:30:58.000 In terms of people with children, that when I say get out of cities, that is different necessarily from, or when Poso says it, that is different from the overall political power question.

00:31:09.000 So what I'm saying that it is predominantly about crime and predominantly about the fact that we have wanton crime throughout every single major metro area in the United States.

00:31:21.000 Homicides are still up over pre-pandemic levels.

00:31:25.000 This is largely because of de-policing that has come on the heels of the racial reckoning in the wake of George Floyd.

00:31:32.000 And you can look at every stat.

00:31:33.000 You can look at it from Homicide rates to traffic fatalities that go up in the immediate I mean within days of George Floyd's death to the point where you know You've got the mayor of Minneapolis is out there twerking this week twerking in the street We could just see if we find the clip at some point But this is what Jacob Frye is doing out there in the meantime his city has seen homicides explode to 1990s levels so when I say get out of cities I mean get out of cities so that your family can

00:32:02.000 live so that your family can actually not be killed by strays or whatever it is.

00:32:06.000 But at the same time, when you're looking at elections, which is a separate topic,

00:32:10.000 and then you're also talking about potentially schools. So there's three different layers here.

00:32:15.000 So one's the personal safety layer, right? You need to get out of a high crime area. It's as

00:32:20.000 simple as that. If you can, you need to get out of a high crime area, certainly if it's controlled

00:32:24.000 If it's controlled by Republicans and it's high crime, I'd really like to know where that is because we haven't actually been able to find any.

00:32:30.000 So Gavin Newsom will play this game, by the way, and Sean Hannity, I guess, wasn't smart enough to respond to him in this way and say, well, red states have some, you know, high homicide rates as well.

00:32:38.000 And he said, well, yeah, but it's certain cities within those red states that are throwing the overall rate up.

00:32:43.000 So in a state like Louisiana, it's the city of New Orleans.

00:32:46.000 In a place like Missouri, it's the city of St.

00:32:48.000 Louis and et cetera, in Ferguson area.

00:32:49.000 So this all goes around.

00:32:52.000 And the issue then becomes from to respond to you on the ballot harvesting question.

00:32:59.000 Democrats have played an incredible game of beating, of beating Republicans and the right

00:33:04.000 and independents and every other candidate, every other race party out there because they've

00:33:11.000 been able to change the laws that we were talking about earlier.

00:33:15.000 They've been able to change the laws, game the system to the point where they've got

00:33:18.000 massive organizations of dark money, whether it's Soros, whether it's a Lori Powell jobs,

00:33:24.000 whether it's Reed Hoffman, that Steve Jobs is a widow.

00:33:27.000 They're throwing millions and millions of dollars behind these operations because they

00:33:31.000 know they can't win on the issues.

00:33:33.000 They know they've lost on all these issues.

00:33:34.000 But what they'll do is they'll go into swing states, they'll go into places like Michigan, places like Wisconsin, places like others, and go in and run these ballot operations, early vote harvesting operations, ballot chase operations, Arizona, Georgia.

00:33:47.000 Georgia, of course, passed a law changing this, fighting back so at least they have some ability to fight back.

00:33:52.000 And just massive shout out to my boy Scott Pressler.

00:33:55.000 And also to Turning Point.

00:33:57.000 Turning Point Action just signed a $5 million deal with Scott Pressler just for Wisconsin.

00:34:02.000 Just for Wisconsin.

00:34:03.000 Investment of $5 million to say, you know what?

00:34:06.000 We're going to fight back, hire people, put political boots on the ground in terms of this, because you need to be able to do that.

00:34:13.000 And so Turning Point is holding, and I'm told it's almost sold out at this point, A conference with Scott Pressler down in West Palm.

00:34:21.000 It's going to be this July 15-16.

00:34:23.000 Scott Pressler, Mike Lindell also there, my boy Mike Lindell, Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, myself, Charlie Kirk, everybody is going to be at this thing and Josh Hawley, JD Vance.

00:34:36.000 Uh, Benny Johnson, you know, a million names I can't even think of that are going to be there, but it's specifically on this question.

00:34:42.000 It's not just some, you know, oh, rah, rah, look at us, how, you know, we, we love America.

00:34:46.000 We're going to hold, you know, kiss the flag, et cetera. 0.60

00:34:47.000 No, Vivek Ramaswamy will also be there.

00:34:50.000 That it's, it's specifically on this question of how we can use these targeted ballot operations to win.

00:34:56.000 Because I don't see it on the right.

00:34:59.000 I see the right actually taking these strategic moves to get into the tactical level on the key states that you need.

00:35:07.000 And Charlie Kirk has, and Richard Barris has said this as well, that there are essentially just three states you need.

00:35:12.000 You need three states and then you can flip the presidency, flip the presidency, you get the culture back and you're seeing fights like we did in Los Angeles to actually not only win back the school boards, but also push back.

00:35:22.000 And I'd love to get into the next story, which is the story that that you were a part of and well, Jack was a part of.

00:35:29.000 And we have it from NBCnews.com, and I'd love to hear your recollections on the event, your coverage.

00:35:36.000 Catholics and other religious protesters gather at Dodger Stadium on Pride Night.

00:35:41.000 The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, whose members dress in drag as nuns, were honored for their work.

00:35:48.000 And this is, of course, the NBC version.

00:35:50.000 So we'll listen to NBC's story, and then we'll tell the story of what we actually saw.

00:35:54.000 with stop anti-catholic hate and god will not be mocked signs protesters surrounded the main entrance to dodger stadium on friday hours before the sisters of perpetual indulgence were to receive an award on lgbt pride night all right i'm gonna have to stop right there because the very first sentence of this is not true it wasn't hours before the sisters of perpetual indulgence uh were to receive the award we swarmed The main entrance while they were receiving the award.

00:36:23.000 And we were out there with rosaries.

00:36:25.000 We were out there with thousands of people.

00:36:28.000 The L.A.

00:36:28.000 Times actually came out and admitted that it was 2,000 people.

00:36:31.000 So if the L.A.

00:36:32.000 Times admitted it was 2,000 people, it had to have been at least 4,000, 5,000.

00:36:36.000 6,000 or 7,000.

00:36:37.000 It lost count of how many helicopters, news choppers were up in the air.

00:36:40.000 Oh, nice!

00:36:40.000 We had drones flying all over the place and it was peaceful.

00:36:44.000 It was prayerful. We had a bishop reading a prayer of exorcism. Seamus, you'd appreciate 0.80

00:36:49.000 Bishop Strickland not only gave a prayer of exorcism, but a prayer for perimeter protection

00:36:56.000 from demons.

00:36:57.000 Wow.

00:36:58.000 And this was the only time, and it's funny because I thought about this.

00:37:01.000 Weren't they already performing at the stadium?

00:37:02.000 I know, right?

00:37:03.000 So inside, while all this is going on, there's the march that takes place, takes up space, blocks the gate.

00:37:11.000 The inside at that time is completely empty.

00:37:15.000 During the ceremony you could go in and Savannah Hernandez did actually go in to get the footage showing an empty stadium while they received the award and of course the fact checkers are coming out saying well hold on a second people actually went to the game they were able to see the Dodgers play and they played a game against the Giants and lost the entire series by the way.

00:37:32.000 To the San Francisco Giants from Northern California.

00:37:35.000 The worst loss in 125 years.

00:37:36.000 Funny how that works.

00:37:37.000 Wow!

00:37:37.000 That's awesome.

00:37:39.000 And then, these are the hated rivals, the Dodgers and the Giants.

00:37:43.000 And they go on to lose this in a massive fashion, but the ceremony itself was completely drowned out by the protesters.

00:37:51.000 So peaceful.

00:37:54.000 You know what I didn't see though?

00:37:56.000 I've been to hundreds of events with Antifa, got into interactions face-to-face, say what you will, I didn't see any of them there.

00:38:07.000 I didn't see any of this.

00:38:08.000 I saw a couple of counter-protesters, they were across the street, and you know what's funny?

00:38:13.000 Because I was telling you, a couple of rev-coms, but they never crossed the street, and I kept wondering, why aren't they crossing the street? 0.99

00:38:17.000 Why are they coming across?

00:38:18.000 And then someone I was there with goes, well, did they not cross the street or did they not cross the perimeter?

00:38:24.000 And it's like, yo!

00:38:27.000 Bishop Strickland.

00:38:28.000 So look, I mean, just from my recollection, my perspective, it was incredible.

00:38:33.000 It was incredible to see.

00:38:34.000 I mean, Seamus, of course, was being lazy, didn't want to come out.

00:38:36.000 Yeah, that's exactly what it was.

00:38:37.000 He was so lazy.

00:38:38.000 Didn't want to support the faith, didn't want to show up when it mattered. 0.97

00:38:41.000 He was willing to be here.

00:38:43.000 Tim, you weren't there!

00:38:43.000 What was it like for you on the ground?

00:38:45.000 What were your recollections?

00:38:46.000 Was it what the media says?

00:38:48.000 Some of us, you know, some of us showed up when it mattered, like our good friend here.

00:38:52.000 So tell us, what was it like for you on the ground?

00:38:55.000 What were your recollections?

00:38:58.000 Was it what the media says?

00:38:59.000 Was it an anti-LGBT hate fest?

00:39:02.000 No.

00:39:03.000 So I think it was a beautiful sight because it was the first time that Protestants and 1.00

00:39:07.000 Catholics were not at each other's neck about who's right about what.

00:39:10.000 So it was kind of nice to just be alongside God-fearing people, people who believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, just going around and finally standing up.

00:39:18.000 to what I thought, you know, was a satanic agenda that was happening at the Dodger Stadium with these Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence who openly mock, you know, and blaspheme our Christ. 0.98

00:39:29.000 But, you know, what's so interesting to me is Christians will—and this is why, again, sometimes like 90, 95% of Christians, conservatives, sit at home, all they do is type online, don't know what the heck they're talking about, never been involved in anything to any capacity, and they just like to just You know, oh, this is stupid, a protest? 0.99

00:39:47.000 What's the point of a protest? 0.99

00:39:48.000 What's the point of a prayer walk? 0.98

00:39:50.000 What is that going to do? 0.98

00:39:51.000 People that never show up to the community, and of course, just useless. 0.88

00:39:54.000 I'm sorry, I'm kind of bashing on them right now. 0.73

00:39:56.000 But it was really good to see.

00:40:00.000 It was a great sight.

00:40:01.000 Thousands of, you know, Jack Pasoibic was there.

00:40:04.000 He's not here tonight, but it was a great sight to see him.

00:40:07.000 And I was just kind of wondering, there's a lot of like other influencers, That go hard in the paint for Christ and just weren't nowhere to be, but we were there, man, you know, and there was like revolutionary communists that were there, you know, talking about there is no Jesus, there's no this, but it was really good to see just this public display of Christians coming out, uniting,

00:40:32.000 Saying the prayers, marching as men.

00:40:34.000 It's the most men I've ever seen activated.

00:40:36.000 Usually conservative Christian men are at home drinking their Bud Light.

00:40:40.000 So it was actually nice to kind of see them come out into the street and actually act out the things that they professed.

00:40:47.000 One of the things that I was a little bit upset about was that the Archdiocese... How does that work?

00:40:52.000 I know you guys have like a structure within the Catholic system.

00:40:54.000 It's like the Archdiocese.

00:40:55.000 I don't know if that's like a little small government of Catholic branch inside.

00:41:01.000 So the basic breakdown is a parish is a diocese.

00:41:06.000 So one church is usually a parish.

00:41:08.000 That's one community, basically a neighborhood.

00:41:10.000 Then the archdiocese, they're typically based around metro areas.

00:41:14.000 So you'd see the Los Angeles archdiocese.

00:41:16.000 I was born and raised in the Philadelphia archdiocese.

00:41:18.000 Tim Prime was born and raised in the Chicago archdiocese.

00:41:22.000 Me too, man.

00:41:23.000 And you're a Chicago Archdiocese as well.

00:41:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:25.000 And then that would sort of raise up.

00:41:27.000 Then there's a Catholic conference for the bishops of the United States.

00:41:30.000 There's a number of cardinals.

00:41:31.000 The U.S.CCB.

00:41:32.000 So there's a number of cardinals.

00:41:33.000 There's, what, five cardinals in the U.S.

00:41:35.000 right now, I believe.

00:41:37.000 Off the top of my head, you'd be totally wrong.

00:41:40.000 But it's not a lot.

00:41:40.000 It's not a lot of cardinals.

00:41:41.000 And then all of the cardinals around the world eventually choose the pope whenever it comes time to choose a new pope.

00:41:47.000 Yeah.

00:41:47.000 And so that's the base.

00:41:48.000 I mean, there's way more to it than that, but that's the very basic structure.

00:41:51.000 So basically, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles came out.

00:41:54.000 They were supposed to be leading this.

00:41:56.000 I think that thousands more people would have come out had they actually endorsed it.

00:41:59.000 But days before the prayer walk, they basically backtracked and said, hey, you know what?

00:42:05.000 We're actually not going to endorse any protests.

00:42:07.000 We've decided that we're just going to have open dialogue with the Dodgers and any parties involved, meaning the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

00:42:16.000 But you know, it's weird because I have Christians telling me, well yeah, that was a good call because what's the point of a protest? 1.00

00:42:22.000 Who cares?

00:42:23.000 We are meant to be persecuted as Christians. 0.99

00:42:25.000 The thing I care about is that these same Christians, had it been that they were mocking Jewish rabbis. 0.85

00:42:32.000 If it was Jewish rabbis that they were making fun of and the ADL put out a statement, we strongly condemn these Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence that dress up as rabbis and are, you know, mocking the Jewish faith.

00:42:42.000 This is not.

00:42:43.000 Christians would have stumbled over each other's, the Marco Rubios and other, you know, people that are always like standing up for Israel and its allies. 0.86

00:42:53.000 They would have been like, oh, we stand with the Jewish people and this is not, this is, we Which, by the way, there was a rabbi actually at the event.

00:43:00.000 There was Rabbi Michael Barclay from Los Angeles, the LA area, actually spoke at the event right before Jack Posobiec.

00:43:07.000 Right, yeah, I remember that.

00:43:08.000 And so, to me, it's mind-blowing to me when Christians justify that it's okay to persecute Christians in Christian America, a country founded on Christianity. 0.98

00:43:18.000 And that, but if it was Islam, it'd be Islamophobia, and if it were a rabbi, it's anti-Semitism. 0.52

00:43:24.000 But it's perfectly fine when it's done to Christians. 1.00

00:43:27.000 And so, to me, I'm like, okay, well, you can't have it both ways. 0.89

00:43:30.000 Either we can make fun of the Jewish people and the Jewish religion, and we can make fun of Islam people and Muslims, or It can't be that. 0.73

00:43:42.000 I'm all for it. 0.78

00:43:44.000 Sure, we're going to be persecuted.

00:43:45.000 Yeah, we're going to be blasphemed.

00:43:46.000 This and that.

00:43:47.000 But what I don't understand is why you have Christian legislators, including just recently Governor Ron DeSantis, went out to Israel and signed an anti-Semitic bill out there in Israel and promising Israel, like, hey, we're going to make sure that there's no anti-Semitism in Florida.

00:44:00.000 They've extradited three people in three different states, I believe, to Florida under that new anti-Semitism bill.

00:44:06.000 But it's like, but why can't we do that for Christians?

00:44:09.000 This is a Christian country.

00:44:10.000 We have Christian-majority legislators.

00:44:12.000 Why isn't there protection?

00:44:13.000 So my argument against Christians, and again, I don't understand why we do this, but Jack Posa was there. 0.70

00:44:19.000 Well, you know, we were there.

00:44:20.000 We showed up.

00:44:21.000 We understand the importance of showing up for our religion, for our people, and just standing in solidarity.

00:44:26.000 Because to me, it's just not right.

00:44:29.000 And to your question about the legislation, there are obviously concerns about what constitutes protected speech under the First Amendment, as opposed to what is considered hate speech or hate crime laws, hate speech laws, which we're not going to get into right here, but that's obviously a major concern.

00:44:46.000 But also, and Seamus, I want to ask you about this as well, because this call by the archdiocese for dialogue That's a communist tactic.

00:44:54.000 That's a Hegelian tactic.

00:44:56.000 This is the exact same thing, and I know you can break this down for us.

00:44:58.000 The thesis, the antithesis.

00:44:59.000 It's classic.

00:45:00.000 It's the classic situation.

00:45:01.000 Exactly.

00:45:02.000 So you have the thesis, you have the antithesis, and then after dialogue it ends up breaking down into the synthesis.

00:45:08.000 You have a new idea.

00:45:09.000 Now, I'm not going to sit here and claim I know what the motivations of the Archdiocese were in making this decision, but what I can tell you is that I personally believe it was a very bad decision.

00:45:18.000 I think that this is something they should have called for so that people in the area would know that this protest was something that the Church was sanctioning, and there's a lot of conversation in the Catholic Church Today among bishops and priests who consider themselves to be more moderate about trying to unite with and have dialogue with Protestants.

00:45:35.000 So it's interesting that at this protest that so many Protestants were attending, it was decided that the church couldn't and even shouldn't endorse it.

00:45:43.000 Of course, I think The reason is pretty clear.

00:45:46.000 If I were to guess at the motivations, I would say it was simply a case of them being afraid and them not wanting to say anything that would upset the alphabet people, the LGBTQIAAP lobby, or anyone else who's pushing for sexual perversion in this country.

00:45:59.000 Because as you know, The dominant prevailing state religion that's been emerging is one which celebrates sexual perversion and unfortunately, as is to be expected just given human history, the history of the church and the way human beings behave, there are people in the church who would like to be accepted by those who would persecute them because they don't want to face the ostracism that would come along with persecution.

00:46:26.000 And so they're either willing to bend the knee, or even if they don't bend the knee, they're willing to tell other Christians to stand down, to tell the faithful to stand down, to tell Catholics to stand down, and not adequately combat the evil as it must be. 0.77

00:46:43.000 At least 2,000.

00:46:45.000 According to the LA Times, 2,000.

00:46:47.000 Which means to me that there must have been at least double that, because the LA Times has to have been 2,000.

00:46:51.000 I saw it on Daily Mail as well, because Daily Mail originally said that there were hundreds of protesters, hit refresh, and then it immediately said top of, and it stayed up all weekend, thousands of protesters.

00:47:02.000 So, Seamus, what is this split inside the church then?

00:47:06.000 Because is there a split between, you know, The phrase is the laity.

00:47:11.000 The laity of the church or members of the laity into the hierarchy, the magisterium, at least in the U.S.

00:47:19.000 Not to go too uber into the Catholic weeds here, but it just seems like there's a split between the trads and the moderates.

00:47:25.000 Yeah, well, the trads, the modernists, the moderates, there's a lot of different ways of looking at this, and to be honest, I don't consider this to be in any way, shape, or form unprecedented.

00:47:35.000 If you look at church history, once the Roman persecution ends, a great deal of Catholic history ends up being the story of good, holy, faithful, lay people being saddled with a corrupt hierarchy that has some good people in it, but who do not follow the Lord as they should and do not lead their flocks as they should.

00:47:58.000 And we also see this in the Holy Scriptures.

00:48:01.000 I believe as a Catholic that at the Last Supper when Christ established holy orders that Judas was ordained. So this is one of our first examples of a 0.68

00:48:09.000 priest and a bishop and he betrayed Christ.

00:48:12.000 So we should expect to see that there will be Judas's in the church today. And as we've seen 0.67

00:48:16.000 throughout church history, it has been full of them historically. So when people are unwilling 0.98

00:48:22.000 to stand up for Christ and when bishops and clerics are unwilling to, which many of them are,

00:48:28.000 Lay people, fortunately, historically, have risen to the occasion, even though it has not been all of them. 0.95

00:48:33.000 Many of them have.

00:48:34.000 And it's what we should expect to see not only among the hierarchy, but among the laity, right?

00:48:40.000 Because many seek to enter and few Do how many people truly take their faith seriously?

00:48:45.000 How many people are truly trying to get closer to Christ and enter the kingdom of heaven?

00:48:50.000 Surely it's a minority and I believe that the scriptures make that clear.

00:48:54.000 I'll also add that it is not something disobedient or offensive or even subversive for a Catholic to say that there are many in the hierarchy who are bad.

00:49:04.000 The venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen said that he believed that the laity were going to save the church.

00:49:10.000 And it's because, again, we've seen it repeatedly with the hierarchy abdicating.

00:49:14.000 It is why it was once said that the road to hell is paved with the bones of priests and the skulls of bishops or the lampposts that light the way.

00:49:21.000 Amazing.

00:49:22.000 You know, there's actually a book that actually talks about this, too, by Dr. Taylor Marshall.

00:49:26.000 It's not a plug or nothing like that, but he talks about the infiltration of the church, how it's been going on for over a hundred years now.

00:49:32.000 And it's really good because it basically talks, and there's actually a written testimony by Dr. Bella Dodd, who in the 1930s, 1920s, She was head of the Communist Party of New York and she instilled 1,100 communist agents into the highest ranking positions of the Catholic Church because she went on to say that communists knew that the only enemy that they feared, it wasn't the Jews and it wasn't Muslims, it was the Christian Church, the Catholic Church more specifically.

00:49:58.000 And they knew that, hey, you know what we've done for thousands of years?

00:50:01.000 We fought the Catholics Sword and shield, and we continue to fail, and we continue to get crusaded again. 0.88

00:50:07.000 So you know what we're going to do?

00:50:08.000 We're going to go ahead and infiltrate.

00:50:10.000 And that's why I think, you know, no disrespect to the Catholic Archdiocese out of Los Angeles, what you are seeing now is the reaping of the benefits.

00:50:18.000 And this is why I say people need to plant your banner and fight back, because you know who doesn't flee?

00:50:23.000 Communists don't flee.

00:50:25.000 When Roe v. Wade was overturned, they didn't say, well, guys, it's time to pack up from the red states.

00:50:30.000 It's time to head over to California, where it's a sanctuary state.

00:50:33.000 These people mobilized, man.

00:50:35.000 David Hogg, the unsuccessful pillow guy, right?

00:50:39.000 An activist.

00:50:40.000 Totally destroyed by mypillow.com.

00:50:42.000 You know what this guy did?

00:50:43.000 This guy activated people in 45 states.

00:50:47.000 I showed up to Los Angeles.

00:50:48.000 MyPillow is to make David Hogg cry.

00:50:50.000 I actually got to talk.

00:50:51.000 So Roe v. Wade overturned.

00:50:52.000 I'm in safe, blue California where abortion is legal up to nine months, on demand basically.

00:50:58.000 And I talked to some of the communists there and I said, comrade, you know, or not really, I went up to people and I said, why are you protesting here in Los Angeles where here it's completely legal?

00:51:08.000 And they said, because we stand in solidarity with our brothers and sisters in other states Christians have never done... I can't think of a single... I can't think of a single moment in time in my lifetime where Christians in 45 states have mobilized for anything.

00:51:22.000 Why?

00:51:23.000 Because they're on the comment section saying it's time to flee. 1.00

00:51:25.000 Look, this guy is nuts. 0.99

00:51:26.000 It's time to get out. 1.00

00:51:27.000 This is something where it's... I would say it's a Western church in general.

00:51:32.000 It's not just the Catholics.

00:51:33.000 You see it across Western churches where they believe there's this idea of... Spoiled, decadent, lazy, lukewarm. 0.85

00:51:39.000 You know, and it's, it's, you are lukewarm and I spit you out because you are neither hot nor cold.

00:51:43.000 And it's this idea that, you know, if you just sit down, if you buckle down, you read your Bible every day, you go to church, you go to church, you have your, your personal connection, but you don't do anything actually in the real world.

00:51:54.000 You're being too generous.

00:51:55.000 I don't, I don't know many people in the Western church who are telling us to read our Bible every day.

00:51:59.000 No, no, no, but it's a mindset.

00:52:01.000 It is a mindset of, you see it on the Catholic side, you see it on the other side, just pray every day and everything will be fine.

00:52:06.000 But at the end of every Mass that I've ever gone to, there is a command and it says go forth.

00:52:11.000 It says go forth and actually go out and do things.

00:52:13.000 Jesus didn't sit around in silence and think about it.

00:52:16.000 He went out and talked about it.

00:52:17.000 That's part of becoming in touch with God too.

00:52:19.000 Take up space.

00:52:22.000 This church, the centralization of authority is what concerns me when it comes to the Catholic, any kind of church, any kind of tech company.

00:52:29.000 It's a vulnerability that the top of this chain can make a decision and say, we're going to say no, we're going to justify that instead of not justified.

00:52:39.000 But the reality is your relationship with God bypasses any organization.

00:52:43.000 And when people are moved by that, I think you see them go out and then they inspire other people to go out and move with it.

00:52:50.000 Well, as a Protestant, I know very well about what you're talking about, about doubting the hierarchy within the church.

00:52:56.000 Sure, yeah.

00:52:57.000 So, I mean, I'd have a couple things to say about that, and though I disagree, I think there's a good instinct there, and it's actually part of why I'm Catholic.

00:53:06.000 So, I think that there is a kind of vulnerability that comes along with centralization.

00:53:14.000 And this is a Chestertonian argument, but it's one that I actually do find persuasive, cheeky as it might sound, and that is, I don't know how any organization as corrupt as the Catholic Church could last for 2,000 years unless God wanted it to.

00:53:27.000 There have been so many horrible people in the Church who have done so many destructive things, and yet it's been around because as Christ promised us, the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church.

00:53:36.000 I firmly believe that.

00:53:39.000 The sins and the virtues are really cool.

00:53:42.000 Those are legit things to focus and live by.

00:53:44.000 Not easy to, but if you can live with those seven virtues.

00:53:49.000 Pride is one that I'm wondering about.

00:53:50.000 It's tough, man.

00:53:52.000 Working pride out, right?

00:53:53.000 Yeah, pride is an American virtue, but it's a Catholic sin. 1.00

00:53:56.000 So there's a split divergence already when we start to have that conversation about, are you proud to be an American?

00:54:01.000 Because you're sinning against God.

00:54:03.000 But then I'm thinking, well, maybe they mean pride not like, hey, I raised a healthy baby.

00:54:08.000 I'm so happy about it, everyone.

00:54:09.000 And then you're like, real pride?

00:54:10.000 As opposed to, I can talk to God, and I'm going to brag about it.

00:54:14.000 Look how great I am that I can talk to God.

00:54:15.000 Like, that's a sinful way to live.

00:54:18.000 So I see that.

00:54:19.000 But I don't know if that's beyond pride, if that's arrogance.

00:54:22.000 But I mean, there are some things that if you're proud of, I think that is sinful.

00:54:25.000 Other things, not so much.

00:54:26.000 What you're actually getting to, and I don't want to, we have a lot of other spoilers I want to get to, but what you're actually getting at is one of the reasons that the original, what you might call hierarchy, but was actually the original organization of the church came about was because you would have in the ancient world these various, and we see this today as well by the way, you would have these various people that say oh I spoke to God and God told me this and you guys might be reading uh this writing of the gospel you might be reading this writing but God told me this and so you have to add this part on and now actually follow me and my version of it which is totally different from their version and so you would have these competing versions of

00:55:04.000 Christianity, some which were in line with the original teachings, some which went very far astray.

00:55:10.000 You even had things like various heresies, the Gnostics, you had the Aryan heresy, you had so many different things going on at the time of people who claimed that they were in direct communication with God because of a personal relationship.

00:55:25.000 And so this is what led to the original Various ecumenical councils led to the various creeds, etc, etc.

00:55:33.000 This is just basic church history that of people getting together because of this very issue of saying, well, wait a minute, you know, I just, you, you say three things at church, but then I went to this guy and he's had five other things.

00:55:44.000 Who am I supposed to believe, right?

00:55:45.000 Who's right?

00:55:46.000 And this is why you get into the idea of apostolic secession.

00:55:49.000 This is where it comes from and not to belabor the argument, but that, that is where it comes from.

00:55:53.000 That's the actual history of the church, but Well, also, you are my rock, and upon this rock I shall build my church.

00:55:59.000 There's other points in scripture aside from early church history, but I know it's a much longer discussion.

00:56:03.000 It is, but I guess I mean to say there's a practical reason for why this came about.

00:56:07.000 Speaking of practical reasons...

00:56:11.000 Yeah, can I just speak to the point of pride really quickly?

00:56:13.000 Not even just from a religious standpoint, but I think there's something interesting where we talk about pride, we talk about American pride, and what we're referring to is patriotism.

00:56:22.000 And I don't think we need to use the word pride to describe it, because I agree with you, pride is sinful, it's bad.

00:56:28.000 I think usually when someone says they're proud to be an American, they're just saying that they're patriotic.

00:56:33.000 Now, I know that one thing that C.S.

00:56:35.000 Lewis said, which I really appreciate and I really find to be brilliant, is that pride takes enjoyment not in having things, but in having more than others.

00:56:44.000 So, if someone's proud of their wealth, their wealth doesn't give them joy because they have wealth.

00:56:48.000 Their wealth gives them joy because they have more of it than someone else.

00:56:52.000 And so, when you're proud, as soon as somebody has more than you or as much as you, they become your enemy.

00:56:58.000 Because you hate them for having as much or more than you.

00:57:00.000 They've taken the thing that matters to you, which is being above.

00:57:02.000 And that's the question of pride that we're seeing now with Pride Month in the U.S., where is it we are proud of our group, or are we flaunting our superiority?

00:57:13.000 Exactly.

00:57:14.000 And that's the essential difference, I think.

00:57:16.000 You can be proud to be American.

00:57:17.000 You might believe that America is the greatest country in the world and superior to other countries.

00:57:21.000 I certainly do.

00:57:22.000 But at the same time, if you're saying my group is better than your group within this, That's what creates problems, and that's what creates friction.

00:57:29.000 And then the question is, would you be less happy with a country that does the things right that America does if there were other nations even better than it?

00:57:36.000 That's where you sort of get into this question of pride.

00:57:38.000 Like, do I like this because of how well-run things still are in certain areas?

00:57:42.000 Many flaws with this country.

00:57:44.000 But do you like this because of how well things still are run in certain areas?

00:57:47.000 Or do you just like it because other people are worse off?

00:57:50.000 Other countries aren't as good?

00:57:51.000 I'm proud that the French Yellow Vests, the dudes, went out and protested.

00:57:54.000 Maybe are right now, as far as I know, but for years were willing to protest.

00:57:58.000 That's like, go humanity!

00:57:59.000 But then I still like America better.

00:58:01.000 Canadian truckers, Hong Kong, shout out to them.

00:58:02.000 Talk about making me proud to be an American and a human being, those Canadian dudes.

00:58:08.000 And women, I mean, all of them. 1.00

00:58:09.000 But that shows for you, and I think that shows for you, your pride and your national identity doesn't come from this diabolical place of, I have to be better than others, it comes from a place of, I appreciate these principles, because you're happy seeing others embody those principles, and you're not going, oh, I'm better than them, so I should be the only one doing it.

00:58:26.000 So that's a great...

00:58:27.000 Perfect segue into this next story that I want to jump into here.

00:58:30.000 We have from ThePostMillennial.com, Joe Rogan challenges, I love this, vaccine enthusiast Peter Hotez to debate RFK Jr.

00:58:41.000 I just get this idea of a vaccine addict.

00:58:47.000 Boost me now!

00:58:48.000 To debate RFK Jr.

00:58:51.000 on misinformation.

00:58:52.000 Now!

00:58:52.000 We all know the rules of the road.

00:58:53.000 I don't want to get into any of the specifics because Luke Rudowsky had played some of the argument.

00:58:59.000 Ian, you have the story.

00:59:01.000 What happened to Luke when he played just a clip of RFK from Joe Rogan?

00:59:05.000 Don't actually play the clip, Ian.

00:59:05.000 No, I won't.

00:59:06.000 I don't even know.

00:59:07.000 I didn't see the specific.

00:59:09.000 I don't even know if the video is still up, but I just saw that Luke tweeted it out that he reposted a clip of RFK talking with Rogan, I imagine, from that show.

00:59:16.000 You're from the episode.

00:59:17.000 And that YouTube is like, your entire channel is now demonetized.

00:59:20.000 So not just that video, it's the entire channel that's demonetized.

00:59:22.000 That's harsh.

00:59:23.000 That is really harsh.

00:59:24.000 That is really harsh.

00:59:25.000 And it takes a lot for me to say that about anything that happened to Luke.

00:59:27.000 That's rough.

00:59:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:28.000 That's upsetting.

00:59:29.000 It's sad to sympathize with Luke, but I'm going to because I stand up for all Americans and all humans.

00:59:33.000 Free speech must prevail.

00:59:35.000 Well, I'll say this.

00:59:38.000 There are better reasons to clamp down on Luke. 0.98

00:59:42.000 He's awful.

00:59:44.000 I don't think what he did here is really worthy of the punishment. 0.84

00:59:47.000 Here's the question.

00:59:48.000 So we now see that Joe Rogan made the huge offer.

00:59:54.000 This got massive on Twitter.

00:59:56.000 Tim Prime was offering money.

00:59:58.000 Hundreds of thousands of dollars, I think it's up to 1.2 million the last time I checked, of money that would be donated to charity.

01:00:05.000 By the way, if Peter Hotez, MD, PhD, were willing to go on to Joe Rogan and debate with him about, with RFK, about the, about vaccines, about the use of vaccines, vaccine mandates, mRNA vaccines, all of these different things, because they've both been on Joe Rogan, And now this isn't like he has to go on and win the debate.

01:00:26.000 This is just, if you are willing to do this, all of this money will be donated to the charity of your choice.

01:00:33.000 And then, of course, he's saying, I won't do this.

01:00:35.000 There have been arguments.

01:00:37.000 He's calling it threatening.

01:00:38.000 He's calling it harassment.

01:00:39.000 I hate when I get threatened with hundreds of thousands of dollars.

01:00:42.000 It's the worst.

01:00:43.000 Dude, if that's a threat, my goodness.

01:00:46.000 And so what I want to ask is, is this, what do we think?

01:00:50.000 Should the debate happen?

01:00:51.000 And here's the question that I want to put out.

01:00:53.000 Because I stand for free speech.

01:00:55.000 Do we all agree on that?

01:00:56.000 We all agree.

01:00:57.000 We all stand for free speech.

01:00:58.000 We all believe in debate.

01:00:59.000 Here's my question though.

01:01:01.000 Is a public debate the right way to do medicine?

01:01:06.000 Is this the right search for truth?

01:01:09.000 Because that's, of course, that's the response.

01:01:11.000 And so Devil's Advocate, he's saying, well, wait a minute, that's not how we do science.

01:01:16.000 You just were talking about before about dialogue with synthesis.

01:01:20.000 How can you have synthesis if someone's just right and something's wrong?

01:01:22.000 How do you respond?

01:01:23.000 Yeah, so what I would say is that dialogue or conversation with non-experts is not a way to reach a clear conclusion on any medical question, but that's not what's being discussed here.

01:01:38.000 What is being asked is whether he can justify telling all of the American people that they have to, and in many instances should be required to, either by law or mandate from their employer, to get this particular medical treatment okay so there's a difference there's a difference between saying the medical process should be determined based on a single public conversation between a doctor and somebody who isn't a doctor and saying well if the medical science is as clear as they're claiming

01:02:15.000 And all of our concerns about people who were scientists and who were doctors being pushed out of the establishment and silenced for their views can be nullified and aren't actual concerns, then should this man who advocates For the use of this particular medical treatment, be able to explain to the American people with an adversary in the room that this treatment is worthwhile.

01:02:42.000 I would argue yes, and I would argue that while not everyone is skilled at debating, and therefore not going to be equally capable of promoting a message, even if it's truthful, if he's not talented in this area or rhetorically gifted enough or quick enough on his feet to engage in that kind of a conversation, what he should do is find somebody who is capable of defending the position, and then that person should go on Joe Rogan and make RFK look like a fool, and then have well over a million dollars donated to a charity of this man's choice, and also convince a large vaccine-skeptical segment of the population that they should get the jab.

01:03:22.000 That's what should happen.

01:03:23.000 So you're arguing that Peter Hotez can choose a champion Just like trial by combat.

01:03:30.000 Exactly.

01:03:31.000 No, exactly.

01:03:32.000 If he's not gifted enough to debate, look, that's totally fair.

01:03:35.000 Not everyone has to debate.

01:03:37.000 Not everyone's equally good at it.

01:03:38.000 It's a different skill set.

01:03:40.000 At the same time, if someone offered me over a million dollars to a charity of my choice to have a conversation about something I'm an expert on with someone who I claim is a crackpot conspiracy theorist, I cannot imagine a rationalization for turning that down.

01:03:54.000 That's easy money.

01:03:55.000 I really can't.

01:03:56.000 And I'll say this.

01:03:57.000 There are conversations that I think are genuinely damaging.

01:04:01.000 So if someone is promoting a new idea that the culture is already completely against, and you could be giving legitimacy to that idea by debating them.

01:04:10.000 So for example, if someone were saying that we should have a public dialogue about the acceptance of pedophilia, I would be unwilling to engage in that kind of conversation because the public is already against that, and having a conversation about it could give legitimacy to that idea.

01:04:25.000 But this is totally different!

01:04:26.000 But this is totally different.

01:04:27.000 But would you just be against it because the public's against it, or would you just be

01:04:29.000 against it for some other reason?

01:04:30.000 Well, I think I also think we're hitting moral bedrock there, where it's just fundamentally

01:04:34.000 obvious why this thing is disgusting, and you shouldn't give voice to any opposition

01:04:39.000 who would say that something like that is morally acceptable.

01:04:43.000 These vaccines, in this particular kind of vaccine, is something that has been pushed onto the American people, which the American people have not wholeheartedly accepted at this point.

01:04:52.000 So the burden of proof is actually on the person introducing the new idea to have conversation about it.

01:04:58.000 And they've been unwilling.

01:04:59.000 And one last thing I'll say about this is All of the arguments that are being made about the concerns that the medical establishment has about making conspiracy theories seem legitimate by having conversations and debates defending their viewpoint are arguments that they would have made about defending

01:05:22.000 The wet market hypothesis three years ago, and we know how that turned out.

01:05:28.000 So these people don't have the scientific or moral authority that they have claimed that they have.

01:05:32.000 This isn't a situation where we should all sit down and shut up because they've been right about everything.

01:05:37.000 They've been proven wrong, and with a track record like their, it is completely and abundantly reasonable for the American people to ask for a little bit of transparency and have one of these people have a public conversation about what they're promoting the American people with one adversary in the room to be able to give them some pushback.

01:05:52.000 That's what I think.

01:05:52.000 I was just thinking about the companies that make vaccines and other medicines and how when you're a corporation you have a duty to your stockholders to make money so that there's already a thing of like, don't make us sell less because we'll lose money so we have to, like, why is there a profit motive in the medical industry?

01:06:09.000 That is incredibly wrong.

01:06:11.000 So you want socialism.

01:06:13.000 I'm kidding.

01:06:13.000 I want healthy people.

01:06:15.000 I want to talk about diet.

01:06:16.000 I want to talk about what Rogan was talking to Peter Hotez about when he had him on his show in the beginning, which is, what do you eat?

01:06:21.000 And Peter's like, I eat junk food.

01:06:22.000 And Joe's like, are you kidding me?

01:06:24.000 There's so much evidence that eating healthy gives your body resilience against COVID as much as other things that you can get.

01:06:31.000 And vitamin D, do you take supplements?

01:06:33.000 And Peter's like, I don't really take supplements.

01:06:34.000 He's like, this is crazy that you're a doctor, but you don't eat healthy and you don't take supplements.

01:06:40.000 So I want to hear that conversation.

01:06:41.000 I think Peter's probably very nervous to get humiliated in public about his diet.

01:06:45.000 Um, and also I think he's, he's on, on his own against RFK Jr.

01:06:49.000 And Joe, cause they are both, as far as I know, very much like eat healthy.

01:06:53.000 That's the beginning.

01:06:54.000 And so I think it'd be reasonable if Peter brought another doctor in with him.

01:06:57.000 And there was a four-person debate.

01:06:58.000 Even if Joe wants to be a moderator, I think he's biased about this, for good or evil, whatever.

01:07:03.000 And I know that Peter loves Joe, but a guy went to Peter's house, Hotez, and got his camera up and was like, why aren't you doing it?

01:07:10.000 I didn't even watch the video yet, but that's where Peter's saying he's being harassed.

01:07:13.000 Don't go to his house.

01:07:14.000 Don't go to people's houses. 1.00

01:07:16.000 This started on Twitter.

01:07:17.000 Keep it on Twitter.

01:07:18.000 Which people were kind of writing off at first.

01:07:19.000 They're like, oh yeah, this never happened.

01:07:21.000 Because he took to the tweet and he's like, oh, by the way, I was just harassed at my house.

01:07:25.000 And I think like a couple of conservatives like hopped on like, oh yeah, just like Jussie Smollett, you know, like, or Jussie Smollett, like, like he was attacked.

01:07:32.000 And then there was like video evidence that it actually did happen.

01:07:35.000 And then what- Yeah, wait before we jump on these stories, guys.

01:07:38.000 Wait, wait before you call somebody a faker.

01:07:40.000 Like, come on.

01:07:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:07:42.000 One thing I love about the right is that the goalposts always shift for us.

01:07:46.000 And by the way, I know I'm kind of crapping a lot on Conservatives today just because somebody said, oh, that Hispanic guy is probably a rhino, which is actually accurate. 1.00

01:07:55.000 I'm a Republican in Ilm only because there is no political movement right now that actually truly represents and harnesses my outward anger toward the government.

01:08:05.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:08:06.000 And so, yeah, I am a Republican in name only, but Republicans get a lot wrong.

01:08:09.000 Michael Knowles said at a conservative event, he said the Republican Party is a party of no. 0.99

01:08:14.000 Democrats present solutions, they might be wrong, they might be stupid, they might be outlandish, but at least they have solutions. 1.00

01:08:21.000 Republicans are just a party of no. 1.00

01:08:23.000 You know, the Democrats are like, oh, we want this healthcare, and the Republicans are like, nope.

01:08:27.000 Okay, but what solutions do you have then?

01:08:29.000 And then the problem is that there just really isn't a lot of those in the Republican Party.

01:08:33.000 But as far as the debate goes, I think it absolutely should happen.

01:08:38.000 I'm kind of like with you, you know, even what you were just arguing against, I'm actually for it.

01:08:42.000 Like, dude, let these people make, you know, an example of themselves.

01:08:46.000 Like, there was like that TED Talk that we're talking about, like, it's time to talk about minor attractive persons.

01:08:51.000 Bro, identify every single person that attends that TED Talk and look into their computers.

01:08:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:57.000 To me, it's like, bro, why censor any of this?

01:09:00.000 This is why I love Turning Point and I love a lot of the conservative right, but it's like we self-censor people that we consider too radical.

01:09:07.000 I understand a lot of it has to do with donors and public image and we don't want to be associated with some people, but it's like, dude, if you're right, then just go ahead and make the argument for it.

01:09:19.000 You know, like again, and this is why it kind of like, uh, irks me when it's like, we claim to be like, Oh, we're all about free speech.

01:09:25.000 Like, well, what about this guy?

01:09:26.000 Like, Ooh, like that's a little bit too much for us.

01:09:29.000 Like we can't talk about that because you know, censorship, donors, whatever it is, sponsors, you know?

01:09:34.000 And to me, it's like, dude, just talk about it and just debate it.

01:09:37.000 And like, if the person is wrong, then the person is wrong.

01:09:40.000 Right.

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 The thing that's going to reveal the truth, honestly, is just putting it into open discussion.

01:09:47.000 Yeah, I don't entirely agree.

01:09:49.000 I think that showing certain lifestyles or bad behavior can actually normalize it, though I think we're probably going to have to agree to disagree on that point if we're having a broader conversation about whether this debate should happen.

01:09:59.000 My main point here is that even with the framework that you can argue, like, an expert shouldn't be having a conversation with a non-expert about this, or there are some ideas so heinous that it would be wrong to discuss them or debate them publicly, this certainly doesn't fall into that category.

01:10:14.000 And I'll also add this, hold on, I will also say here that what is being posited here is a non-medical expert having a debate on a podcast with a doctor.

01:10:29.000 Interestingly enough, I actually think that would debatably make it more of a layup for the other side.

01:10:35.000 Right?

01:10:35.000 What they should be saying is, it wouldn't be right for me to debate a non-medical expert, therefore get me a doctor.

01:10:41.000 Get a doctor on your show who disagrees with me so he and I can have the conversation.

01:10:46.000 Or get a panel of doctors.

01:10:47.000 Let me bring other doctors who are specialists in the different fields that would contribute to this conversation.

01:10:53.000 And then you get doctors who are on the other side of the question.

01:10:57.000 But it's not enough.

01:10:58.000 alone maybe? Yes, but the thing is like to your argument about like you know

01:11:04.000 whether it's the minor attracted persons whatever. Well they're pedophiles, that's not a minor attracted person.

01:11:08.000 I was about to say whatever term they use themselves. Well let's not use their terms.

01:11:13.000 They got the terms and they start to lose right there. But here's a thing. You mean a debate

01:11:18.000 about with someone who believes that? Well, for example, what has turned

01:11:22.000 more people to the right is the fact that LGBTism is running rampant 1.00

01:11:26.000 It's now at the corporate level.

01:11:28.000 That has turned more people to the right, and it's turned more people to conservatism.

01:11:32.000 It's turning people back into the churches.

01:11:34.000 Our churches are being filled.

01:11:35.000 My pastor, when he baptized my daughter, was saying that those are the most teenagers that they've baptized at one single point.

01:11:40.000 And it's because people are seeking Christ because the left has completely gone berserk.

01:11:45.000 I mean, look, you know, Charlie Kirk, great guy.

01:11:48.000 For a couple years he was parading around, you know, Rob Smith.

01:11:51.000 I respect that he's a veteran.

01:11:52.000 I'm a veteran myself.

01:11:53.000 But people were arguably asking him, if we're fighting the culture war and we're against LGBTism because we're conservatives or we're Christians, then why are you going around with Rob Smith?

01:12:04.000 What does that do to help fight the culture war?

01:12:06.000 Who is Rob Smith?

01:12:06.000 I'm not familiar with the story.

01:12:07.000 He is from Florida, I think.

01:12:11.000 He is a U.S. 0.75

01:12:12.000 veteran and he's openly homosexual. 0.84

01:12:13.000 I think he has a partner.

01:12:14.000 Yeah, but he doesn't push the LGBT agenda.

01:12:18.000 You're lying right now because you're saying that he's going with Charlie Kirk to promote the LGBT agenda.

01:12:23.000 No, no, that's not what I said.

01:12:24.000 And I've never seen Rob Smith or Charlie Kirk ever do that.

01:12:27.000 I never said that Charlie Kirk was going around with Rob Smith and promoting LGBT.

01:12:33.000 You deliberately conflated both of that.

01:12:35.000 No, what I am saying is, if we have the open debates, people can show up and make the counter-argument and be like, hey, this is wrong, we don't believe in this.

01:12:44.000 And guess what?

01:12:45.000 Rob Smith is no longer as far as I'm concerned.

01:12:46.000 But did you just say that Turning Point shouldn't deny people the right to come speak at events, and now you're saying that Charlie Kirk shouldn't be on stage with somebody?

01:12:53.000 No, what I'm saying is- You literally just said that.

01:12:55.000 No, that's not what I said.

01:12:56.000 You literally just said that.

01:12:56.000 If Charlie Kirk professes to be a Christian man and he is a conservative, what business does he have with an openly homosexual man going around campuses?

01:13:03.000 Why can't he find another Christian conservative to go around and push the same point?

01:13:07.000 Look, I'll be very honest with you, I don't follow Rob Smith.

01:13:09.000 Why?

01:13:10.000 Because, like, what has he said that has severely impacted my life?

01:13:14.000 Nothing.

01:13:15.000 So why would I partner with someone... So why are you bothered by him so much?

01:13:18.000 No, it's not that I'm bothered.

01:13:20.000 I was getting to the argument about having open debate.

01:13:22.000 People went out to Charlie Kirk and said, hey, if we're fighting the culture war and we're pushing back against this, then why are you out here with Rob Smith, who is openly for it and goes to his social medias?

01:13:36.000 I mean, it was kind of like the whole Dave Rubin thing, right?

01:13:38.000 We're pushing against transgenderism and all that stuff, but like Blair White, right? 1.00

01:13:43.000 Transgender person. 0.98

01:13:44.000 But the conservatives will hell her. 1.00

01:13:45.000 Like Caitlyn Jenner.

01:13:46.000 Oh, because she's on our side. 0.91

01:13:48.000 But it's like, well, no, not really.

01:13:49.000 We're fighting against this in general.

01:13:52.000 Not just because, oh, well, they just happen to be trans and leftist.

01:13:56.000 So that's why we're against it.

01:13:57.000 Well then, okay, but as a Christian, are you against it completely? 0.51

01:14:00.000 Or are we just like, well, now we have base trans people on our side and this is that?

01:14:05.000 I respect Blair White and whatever, you know, that guy's advocating for. 0.97

01:14:09.000 I respect people like Will Smith.

01:14:10.000 They all have their own audience or whatever it is.

01:14:13.000 And what I'm saying is, it took Catholic people to come up to Charlie Kirk and say, look, if we're supposed to be a Christian conservative group and we're trying to fight the culture war, especially with the rise in LGBTism at the corporate level, then why are we doing the same thing? 0.51

01:14:31.000 I think it's because Socially, we're just moving leftward, both on the conservative side and on the liberal side.

01:14:37.000 It's because most of the religious movement that's pushing back against the political movement of, I guess you'd say LGBTQIA+, political movement, not the people themselves, it never had any animosity towards the sexuality itself.

01:14:49.000 There are very traditional religious sects that do, but the broader Christian movement is more concerned with the indoctrination of children, whether they're gay, straight, trans, Christians, whatever.

01:15:01.000 And I think It's okay, it's okay for religions to ebb and flow and change over time, so... But the word of God is forever though, man.

01:15:09.000 You know, like, I agree that there's a lot of Christians that say, well, you know, it's about the kids.

01:15:14.000 Really, this is about the kids.

01:15:15.000 I mean, I was called a religious bigot because I said this all started with same-sex marriage.

01:15:19.000 And the moment you acknowledge... Further back, contraceptives, but I agree. 1.00

01:15:23.000 Absolutely.

01:15:24.000 But the thing is, again, if you're a Christian, it should always be at the very beginning. 0.93

01:15:29.000 We should have been fighting it.

01:15:30.000 And again, look, Roe v. Wade got overturned.

01:15:33.000 45 states went out and said, hey, we need Roe v. Wade back.

01:15:37.000 When same-sex marriage happened, there was not a single state that went out there as Christians or as a church and said, we need to unite all 45 states and fight against same-sex marriage. 0.51

01:15:46.000 You can call me a Bible thumper. 0.99

01:15:47.000 You can call me religious bigot.

01:15:50.000 You can call me Mediterranean thinking or medieval thinking.

01:15:54.000 Sorry, not Mediterranean thinking.

01:15:55.000 Medieval.

01:15:55.000 I'm thinking about food right now.

01:15:56.000 I'm thinking about shawarma because we're talking about the Armenian parents.

01:15:59.000 But look, at the core, when people like, and I feel like we tiptoe a lot around this, like Christian conservatives were like, well, maybe if we just focus on the kid part, maybe we can just leave it all out.

01:16:08.000 It's like, no, dude, Caitlyn Jenner, bad.

01:16:10.000 Blair, white, blood, bad. 0.98

01:16:12.000 Rob Smith, bad.

01:16:14.000 Again, I can respect them as people.

01:16:16.000 And you guys, case in point, my son in a locker room with two trans kids, the first thing I told him, you don't go ill, you don't say I hate you, and you don't... they're human beings at the end of the day.

01:16:28.000 Because that's what Christians are taught, right? 0.89

01:16:29.000 Christians are taught to hate. 0.89

01:16:31.000 We're taught like, hey dude, you respect and you love them and you pray for them.

01:16:35.000 That's what you do.

01:16:36.000 But, you know, that was my argument about that because if you allow for the open debate and the open to have people there, then people will push back eventually.

01:16:47.000 Like, for example, pedophiles.

01:16:48.000 If they start having a national pedophile convention or whatever it might be. 0.66

01:16:52.000 You should shut that down immediately.

01:16:53.000 You should do everything to shut that down immediately.

01:16:55.000 No, but here's the thing.

01:16:56.000 Why not do the same thing in Texas?

01:16:58.000 Let's give Seamus, you've thrown out a lot.

01:17:02.000 Seamus, I'd love to hear your response to really this question, I guess, of association.

01:17:07.000 Should the conservative movement associate, which is really what your point is there, the conservative movement, the populist movement, whatever you want to call this, associate with individuals like that because there may be certain Lifestyle choices that the Christians and conservatives disagree with does associating with these people Degrade the the Christian message and are there times?

01:17:36.000 Obviously in any coalition there's going to be friction are there times when there's friction between the Christian message and the conservative best the conservative movement That's a great question.

01:17:44.000 And there's a whole lot to get into with the answer.

01:17:46.000 I'm going to give there I want to say firstly When you're examining whether it makes sense to have somebody as an advocate for your movement, one question that you need to ask is, what is this person publicly promoting in other forums?

01:17:59.000 Also, how socially accepted is the thing that they're promoting, and is our working with them going to aid them in their activism for pushing for things which we know are bad?

01:18:11.000 And then there's also the question of, What are we working towards with this person?

01:18:17.000 Is there an expectation being created that I am now on the side of the perverse things they're promoting or am interested in working with them on those things?

01:18:29.000 So when it comes to a lot of people on the right who are saying, you know, I'm openly homosexual or I'm transgender and I have no

01:18:37.000 plans of stopping being either of those things, but I'm on the right and I agree with

01:18:42.000 conservatives on X, Y, and Z.

01:18:43.000 I think that if you have to work with someone to accomplish a certain goal and they're not

01:18:48.000 promoting the bad things that they're doing, that's one question.

01:18:53.000 But then you have to ask yourself another question, which is, am I only trying to find

01:18:57.000 someone from a marginalized identity group to say these things for me because I am too

01:19:02.000 cowardly to simply say as a straight male who does not struggle with any kind of sexual 0.51

01:19:09.000 perversion that would push him away from being interested in women, that perversion is perversion, 0.91

01:19:14.000 that evil is evil, that you can't harm children, that Democrats are trying to destroy this

01:19:18.000 country and many Republicans are collaborating with them.

01:19:21.000 And that's a massive question that I think a lot of conservatives need to start to confront themselves with.

01:19:25.000 When you have these YouTubers who promote a perverse lifestyle to their audience members, but they also say conservative things, are you promoting that person's work because you genuinely think the angle they have on this is so unique and valuable to our movement that it Nullifies any concerns we might have about what they're promoting to a young audience?

01:19:46.000 Or are you just too scared to state your opinions without feeling that you need to use a gender or sexual or even any other person who'd be considered marginalized or a gender or sexual minority to make your case for you because you're too scared?

01:20:04.000 Right, so what you're talking about is tokenism, right?

01:20:06.000 And there is a difference.

01:20:07.000 I agree with you that there would be a difference if people were holding up someone like Scott Pressler as an example of tokenism.

01:20:14.000 I've never heard anyone refer to Scott Pressler as the LGBT activist Scott Pressler because he's not.

01:20:20.000 He's a Republican activist.

01:20:22.000 He's someone who's out there in the trenches, state after state, campaign after campaign, every single day for the last, I think, eight years since I've known him, campaigning for Republican candidates.

01:20:33.000 I've never once heard him say a thing about his personal sexuality or combined the two into politics or, by the way, tried to use that as some sort of, you know, shield against criticism.

01:20:45.000 He just doesn't do it.

01:20:46.000 That being said, the man is an absolutely effective operator and a passionate, hashtag, the persistence fighter for the movement on that cause.

01:20:55.000 And so to write him off and say, no, you can't associate with this, I don't think that's the right move.

01:21:01.000 Same with Rob Smith, same with a number of people.

01:21:04.000 The question is, what are they promoting, right?

01:21:05.000 What are they promoting outside of the thing that you agree on?

01:21:08.000 I guess that's a huge part of my point.

01:21:10.000 Ian, you were going to say something.

01:21:11.000 Yeah, yeah, sorry.

01:21:12.000 Oh, I was thinking about Blair White, who we've had on the show multiple times, and we reflected after the first episode, like, wow, we didn't even bring up trans at all.

01:21:19.000 We were just hanging out with Blair, man.

01:21:21.000 That's the way it's supposed to be.

01:21:22.000 Yeah, exactly, and I agree with you.

01:21:24.000 I've worked with Scott Presser.

01:21:25.000 We just did a clean-up about a month ago, but because he stays focused on the political, and I'm not saying that you can't have people, you know, come on.

01:21:32.000 For example, I think of anything the way I do a church.

01:21:36.000 Would you ever appoint anyone that is LGBT as part of head of the church?

01:21:40.000 What do you mean by head of the church?

01:21:41.000 Like, at any position, like a deacon, or as a bishop, as a cardinal. 0.93

01:21:45.000 Yeah, so in the Catholic Church, they're not supposed to ordain you a priest if you're homosexual.

01:21:51.000 They're actually not allowed to.

01:21:52.000 It happens.

01:21:53.000 It definitely happens.

01:21:55.000 It happens, but it's not supposed to.

01:21:57.000 It's not supposed to.

01:21:58.000 So, to me, I take that standard and I apply it to everything in life.

01:22:02.000 If you wouldn't apply it to church, why are we doing it to Christian conservative organizations?

01:22:06.000 Now, I'm not saying they cannot work, right?

01:22:08.000 We just had the whole debate with The Chosen, where they had an LGBT flag on set and now people are canceling The Chosen.

01:22:15.000 This is not... And I think Candace Owens, I think poorly, you know, again, massive respect for everything she does. 0.56

01:22:21.000 I'm not here, you know, I'm not like on this rampage or crusade to go after anyone.

01:22:25.000 I respect all these people because they're pioneers and they've built something way more than I could probably achieve.

01:22:31.000 I don't know what God has planned for me yet.

01:22:32.000 You know, I'm pretty young, I'd like to say, but I don't know what he has planned for me yet.

01:22:36.000 But what I will say is that she kind of downplayed it as like, look, we have to hire these people.

01:22:42.000 The first thing that I thought about was Project Veritas.

01:22:46.000 Project Veritas, before the whole James O'Keefe fallout, they had a liberal principal or like some kind of superintendent that said, oh, there's ways for us to find out how to get rid of conservatives during the hiring process.

01:22:59.000 And once again, we prove that liberals are willing to go above and beyond to make sure that they hire the right people.

01:23:08.000 Conservatives, we're willing to use tokens.

01:23:11.000 We're willing to say, like, well, you know what?

01:23:13.000 I would never say this, but if we just hire this person, they can say it for us.

01:23:17.000 And then we can just say, like, oh, well, you know what?

01:23:20.000 We can't really discriminate against these people.

01:23:22.000 It is a corporation.

01:23:24.000 You run it.

01:23:26.000 You claim to be Christian conservative?

01:23:27.000 Like, you should be the one deciding these things.

01:23:31.000 Now, again, like you said, if we want, you know, Scott Presser, I think he does really great things.

01:23:35.000 It's why I work with him.

01:23:36.000 But again, never once, ever, he doesn't start off his his speeches with like, hey guys, I'm, you know, I'm totally this or totally that.

01:23:44.000 Here's my sexuality.

01:23:45.000 He will.

01:23:45.000 He's never done it.

01:23:46.000 He never, never.

01:23:47.000 Exactly.

01:23:47.000 But, I mean, gaze against groomers.

01:23:51.000 It's come out and there's a whole movement about separating the tea.

01:23:54.000 There's a lot there.

01:23:56.000 It's complex.

01:23:57.000 Look, I'm going to throw the bottom line on this and I want to get to another story before we want to go to Super Chats.

01:24:01.000 Obviously, we're going to have a lively, very lively 10 p.m.

01:24:05.000 discussion.

01:24:06.000 It's going to get worse.

01:24:06.000 I think it's going to get a lot hot and twisted.

01:24:09.000 I promise you, because we're going to be talking about all this and then we're going to add

01:24:13.000 guns.

01:24:14.000 Um, that's not like literally to the room where we mean like in the conversation.

01:24:19.000 Yes, yes.

01:24:20.000 Spiritualism.

01:24:21.000 The conversation conversation.

01:24:22.000 Look, uh, at the end of the day, look, we're up against a regime.

01:24:27.000 We're up against the globalist American empire.

01:24:29.000 We're up against billionaires.

01:24:30.000 We're up against people who have massive resources in terms of money, massive resources in terms of influence.

01:24:37.000 And we have individuals doing this by themselves, people doing this independently.

01:24:41.000 It would be so much easier to just go along with whatever the narrative of the day is.

01:24:45.000 Just go along, go along with funding Ukraine, go along with vaccines, go along with like the entire agenda, go along with all of these things.

01:24:52.000 And so when you are in A time-limited situation.

01:24:58.000 And you are seeking allies.

01:25:00.000 And you have the ability to find someone who says, you know what?

01:25:02.000 I will fight with you.

01:25:03.000 I will come with you and I'll fight with you.

01:25:05.000 We may not agree on 100% of the things.

01:25:06.000 We may not agree with 100% of the issues.

01:25:08.000 But I agree with you now and I will be with you in this fight.

01:25:12.000 And that I will look to my left and look to my right and who's with me in the foxhole and I will see who's there.

01:25:16.000 And if that person is with me, then I'm gonna fight with that person.

01:25:19.000 Because I don't have the luxury of being able to litmus test On this, but we're going to talk about another case that's going on right now.

01:25:26.000 It's a completely separate thing, but a separate, separate gear.

01:25:31.000 Look, we've all been talking about it.

01:25:32.000 It's massive on the internet.

01:25:34.000 It's massive everywhere.

01:25:36.000 This thing about the Titanic 5.

01:25:39.000 These guys talking about a race for time.

01:25:41.000 They're down there.

01:25:42.000 They're possibly, we don't know if they're still alive.

01:25:44.000 We have no idea if they're alive right now.

01:25:46.000 Everyone that I know is talking about this situation right now.

01:25:50.000 But you know what's interesting, and Seamus, you and I were talking before we got on air about this, there are people who are rooting for them to die.

01:25:57.000 Yep.

01:25:57.000 There are people who are rooting for the ocean in this situation.

01:26:01.000 And look, I'm gonna be honest, I'll say this with, you know, I don't wear the beanie right now, but with my former- You have a friend named Jack who- I have a friend named Pozo who's a former Navy officer.

01:26:11.000 These guys are in miracle territory.

01:26:13.000 They're in Hail Mary territory at this point.

01:26:15.000 It is not- Likely right now that they will be saved due to a number of factors.

01:26:21.000 The severe and extreme depth that the Titanic is at.

01:26:25.000 The fact that this thing has, as far as we know, has not surfaced.

01:26:29.000 They have an emergency procedure where it can resurface very quickly.

01:26:32.000 It doesn't appear to have done that.

01:26:34.000 It's sustained some kind of damage.

01:26:37.000 There's been questions about the hull integrity and if the hull is breached, I mean, it's They've been done the whole time.

01:26:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:44.000 As far as we know, there's no way any human can survive at that depth and certainly not at that pressure.

01:26:49.000 You'd be killed instantly, basically, if there was a whole breach.

01:26:54.000 That being said, even if there wasn't, to be able to find this thing, get submersibles down there, you just don't have enough time, you don't have enough air.

01:27:02.000 But what is going on where there are people who say, well, these guys are rich, you know what, they get what they deserve.

01:27:08.000 And I think we talked about it before, and Serge, you had the point as well.

01:27:11.000 We're always told that, oh, we don't hate the rich, we just love the poor so much.

01:27:17.000 They're exploiting the poor, we just love the poor.

01:27:20.000 Really?

01:27:20.000 Because you can go and look up, I think it's called the Titan, you can look up the Titan, type it in Twitter right now, and you will see people arguing And cheering, celebrating the fact that they want these people to die.

01:27:32.000 And getting thousands of likes and retweets.

01:27:34.000 And it's everywhere.

01:27:35.000 It's not French. 0.51

01:27:37.000 I don't necessarily think that these guys are heroes.

01:27:41.000 They're not Lewis and Clark.

01:27:43.000 They're not Magellan.

01:27:46.000 There's people that have pioneered these areas before.

01:27:48.000 Are they taking a risk?

01:27:49.000 Yes.

01:27:50.000 Is it a foolhardy risk?

01:27:51.000 I would say probably.

01:27:53.000 But that being said, they're human beings.

01:27:55.000 Yeah, and they have families. 0.76

01:27:57.000 And to say that because this person is wealthy, I hate them and I'm going to celebrate their death is an absolutely sick thing to say. 0.79

01:28:02.000 It shows you exactly how hateful they are. 0.83

01:28:05.000 I'm going to quote somebody.

01:28:06.000 I saw a tweet from an account called Good Tweetman and what he said was, All of the people who are saying they hope these people died and rooting for them having a horrible death are the same people who say, um, I just want everyone to have healthcare.

01:28:19.000 That's my form of extremism.

01:28:21.000 And it's true. 0.56

01:28:23.000 Now, this just goes to show you that the vast majority of people who call themselves socialists or leftists are, in truth, envious.

01:28:31.000 They want to tear people down who have more than them.

01:28:33.000 They want to see people who have more than them suffer and even die.

01:28:37.000 There's a very intense darkness here, even though they claim that they don't hate these people. 0.86

01:28:41.000 Now, conservatives, for example, will be accused of hating gay people basically all the time.

01:28:47.000 If I heard a group of... 0.98

01:28:49.000 Gay people died in a submersible or in some other horrible way. 0.99

01:28:53.000 I wouldn't be going, oh, this is wonderful. 0.98

01:28:56.000 I don't cheer for the deaths of people whose choices I disagree with and who I don't like.

01:29:02.000 My desire for people, if I think they're doing something wrong, is for them to repent, turn to God, have a good life, and get to heaven.

01:29:09.000 Not for them to- To go and sin no more and repent?

01:29:12.000 Not to die a horrible death!

01:29:14.000 So, anyone who makes a claim like this, anyone who says that it's good that these people died, they've lost the moral high ground, but to be fair, most of them lost the moral high ground long ago, and their worldview is about hatred, anger, and I'll leave you with this.

01:29:31.000 Most of the time, when people are calling for equality, what they're actually calling for is a celebration of themselves and their own aggrandizement.

01:29:40.000 Because it's very rare that somebody who's calling for equality is actually doing the work to help people who are beneath them in terms of wealth or social status.

01:29:48.000 They're almost always looking to the people who are higher than them and saying, it is criminal that I'm not on their level, that they occupy a higher position than me.

01:29:56.000 Everything that we were saying about pride earlier, these are prideful people who are saying, any system that doesn't place me at the top is one which is fundamentally corrupt, and so I will celebrate when people who are above me die.

01:30:07.000 Which is also envy.

01:30:09.000 Ian, I want to get your take, because we've got to get you in the conversation here a little bit more.

01:30:13.000 Look, I know you've been crunching the numbers, you're looking at the submersible, you've got the science background.

01:30:20.000 What would be the Ian Crosland way to try to get this sub up?

01:30:23.000 Oh man, deep sea lasers, like laseroscopy, some way to map the vibrations.

01:30:30.000 It is so small and the ocean is so huge and currents take you so fast.

01:30:35.000 We were watching these jet stream currents that things can get caught up in.

01:30:38.000 They lost contact with the mothership.

01:30:39.000 These things aren't submarines, they're submersibles.

01:30:41.000 They can't go under alone.

01:30:42.000 They lost contact at 45 minutes.

01:30:43.000 Forty-five minutes.

01:30:44.000 It was going to take them two hours to get down, and at forty-five minutes—I thought it was an hour and a half, so as you said— Is it only two hours to get down?

01:30:49.000 I thought it was like eight.

01:30:49.000 I didn't realize.

01:30:50.000 Okay, maybe two and a half.

01:30:51.000 I think I saw two and a half.

01:30:52.000 Really?

01:30:52.000 Okay.

01:30:53.000 It was only—it was before they even reached the bottom that they disappeared off contact.

01:30:57.000 So that was like, I don't know, Sunday, Saturday—no, it was Saturday.

01:31:00.000 I think the hour and a half was the final distress call.

01:31:03.000 An hour and a half was the final distress call.

01:31:05.000 Purportedly, they've got another 12 hours of oxygen on board.

01:31:09.000 But that's assuming that there hasn't been a breach.

01:31:12.000 A hull breach.

01:31:13.000 I don't know if they're hooked on the Titanic somewhere, if they're caught in algae, if they're on a net, if they got washed away and they're stuck under a rock somewhere seven miles away.

01:31:20.000 They could actually be.

01:31:22.000 You know, they could actually be inside the Titanic because there was a story that someone else, this is not the first voyage of this sub, and there was a guy who said that when they went down the last time, they actually essentially landed on the deck of the Titanic.

01:31:37.000 Look, this thing's been down there for a hundred years.

01:31:39.000 If you're trying to land on the deck of something under that pressure, you know, the Titanic wasn't designed to operate at that pressure.

01:31:46.000 It's a surface level.

01:31:48.000 It's a surface ship.

01:31:50.000 There's a, it's a kind of black humor, but saying it now, but there's a, there's a line in the, in the Navy that every ship can be a submarine once.

01:31:56.000 It's kind of like how the Ukrainians found out that any, any vehicle can be a minesweeper once in the current counter offensive.

01:32:02.000 Yeah.

01:32:03.000 So there's that.

01:32:05.000 But they could have been attempting another one of these landings to say, hey, we're on the deck of the Titanic, and then believe it or not, we could actually be seeing an increase in the death toll of the Titanic itself.

01:32:19.000 But then the question is, if that's...

01:32:21.000 A realistic possibility.

01:32:23.000 I mean, why haven't they been searching there?

01:32:26.000 Or why haven't they looked there?

01:32:28.000 I mean, I imagine it's difficult to get a submersive out there to do that kind of a rescue operation.

01:32:32.000 I'm sure it's the first place they checked.

01:32:34.000 Or, that being said, it could just be because just because of the severe depth. Again, that's, okay, Navy

01:32:40.000 hat back on. You can't, you can't just get one of these submersibles there on

01:32:45.000 station immediately. It's not like, you know, it's not a Marvel movie. It's not the Avengers.

01:32:49.000 The plane doesn't just like fly in from, you know, the across the skies and then everyone just flies

01:32:55.000 down to the bottom of the scene.

01:32:56.000 You have to get it, you have to spin it up, you have to get it powered.

01:32:58.000 You have to get it set.

01:32:59.000 You have to dial in the parameters for where you're going.

01:33:02.000 You have to get it on station.

01:33:04.000 You can't just fly something out and drop it in.

01:33:06.000 Typically you need a ship tender for one of these things.

01:33:08.000 So you need another ship that needs to be prepared.

01:33:10.000 Then that ship has to go out at ship speed.

01:33:13.000 So you're talking about 10 hours, 12 hours, just to get on station once you've got the remote operated vessel That's their railroad vehicle that's on station.

01:33:22.000 So, I mean, you're fighting against the clock the entire time.

01:33:26.000 The ocean is massive.

01:33:27.000 This is way, way down.

01:33:29.000 And it's possible that even if they have something down there, they have no clue exactly what was going on.

01:33:36.000 Well, the controller disconnected, right?

01:33:38.000 Yeah, the thing was done.

01:33:39.000 It was controlled by a Logitech controller!

01:33:41.000 That's insane.

01:33:43.000 A video game controller, yeah.

01:33:44.000 A video game controller, $30!

01:33:45.000 Logitech stock took a hit, I was reading today.

01:33:48.000 Well, as soon as I heard about this story, my conspiracy hat came back on, and I was like, dude, the Titanic is still taking down billionaires.

01:33:55.000 Because I'm sure you guys have probably heard that people on the Titanic initially were like bankers that didn't want to do the Federal Reserve.

01:34:02.000 John Astor was one of them, I think.

01:34:03.000 Right, yeah.

01:34:04.000 And then that's where, you know, Jekyll Island and the bankers there, and then that's when they started the Federal Reserve and all that stuff.

01:34:09.000 Uh-oh, here we go.

01:34:10.000 Here we go.

01:34:11.000 That's why my conspiracy... By the way, by the way, I just saw on Daily Mail, real quick, on Daily Mail that I saw one of the members of the current crew, the Titanic Five that's on there right now, are actually descendants of people who died on the original Titanic.

01:34:30.000 Oh, that's so sad, too.

01:34:31.000 Well, they wanted to see how, you know, their ancestor died.

01:34:35.000 That's a sad thing.

01:34:37.000 They're going to explore the site of where a family member died, and now they very well may die, and, you know, people on the left think that's wonderful.

01:34:48.000 I'll ask you this.

01:34:50.000 At the depth that they were lost, about 45 minutes in, is when contact was lost?

01:34:55.000 Initial contact was lost, yes.

01:34:56.000 Okay.

01:34:56.000 So my question for you is, approximately what depth would they be at at that point?

01:35:01.000 Do you have a good answer for that?

01:35:02.000 Or is that sort of outside of your... You'd be at least a couple hundred feet down.

01:35:07.000 Okay, so then my question is... If not a couple thousand.

01:35:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:11.000 What could happen at that depth?

01:35:13.000 I mean, would this just have been a problem with the submersible itself, or are there currents that could come sweep you away very quickly?

01:35:21.000 Honestly, all of the above.

01:35:22.000 Okay.

01:35:23.000 It's honestly all of the above, because in this thing, which appears to be somewhat slapped together, if you've watched any of the videos, if you've got a rapid depressurization, if you've got a hole breach, if you've got any issues with that, I mean, it lights out very, very quickly.

01:35:39.000 For the record, from USA Today, they lost contact about an hour and 45 minutes.

01:35:42.000 Okay, an hour and 45.

01:35:43.000 So close to, I think they were going about two hours down.

01:35:46.000 So you're several thousand feet down.

01:35:48.000 13,000 feet.

01:35:49.000 It was going to take them to 13,000 feet.

01:35:52.000 13,000 is where the Titanic is.

01:35:53.000 Three-fourths of the way down or so, it looks like.

01:35:55.000 So you're most of the way down.

01:35:56.000 That is deeper than active, most submarines operate.

01:36:01.000 So like your typical military submarine is deeper than that.

01:36:05.000 That's deeper than most biologics.

01:36:07.000 So your whales, you're talking maybe, that's your deep sea fish environment.

01:36:13.000 Obviously there's questions about giant squid, but typically you're not finding much And I think Judge Janine actually talked on it today on Fox.

01:36:25.000 I think she was talking about it where I guess the reason why there's so many people like there's an uptick on people visiting the Titanic because I guess they're giving it like another 10 years before it completely just disappears, like due to corrosion or whatever it might be.

01:36:39.000 So they're talking about how there's going to be like, I don't know, maybe it was, they're

01:36:44.000 trying to pump out as much money doing this because what is it like 250,000 per ticket?

01:36:48.000 Per ticket, five people, 120, 1.25.

01:36:50.000 That's money I wish I had, but I probably wouldn't spend it on that personally.

01:36:54.000 Give it to a charity for Peter Hotez. 1.00

01:36:57.000 It's about the same amount.

01:36:58.000 Yeah, no, seriously.

01:36:59.000 And yeah.

01:37:00.000 But I wonder what this is going to do now.

01:37:02.000 People are going to be like, dude, I don't want to get lost down there because my PlayStation controller disconnected.

01:37:07.000 If anything positive ever were to come out of this, it could be the understanding of the risk involved with taking one of these submersibles down under that deep.

01:37:15.000 Yeah, look, and I actually I had the opportunity to do a ride along in a Navy sub once out of out of Kings Bay, Georgia.

01:37:22.000 And when you're down and this is this is something that I think people like you they watch movies like, you know, the Little Mermaid, you know, you know, why don't they send the Ariel?

01:37:36.000 And, you know, it's not like that down there.

01:37:39.000 You go down below the thermocline, you go down below… sunlight can only get so far, right?

01:37:46.000 Because the salt blocks it, right?

01:37:47.000 So you eventually get to a point where the thickness of the salt blocks light from coming down, the air changes, etc.

01:37:53.000 And so, uh, you know, they say, are there portholes on the sub?

01:37:56.000 Well, no, cause you can't see anything.

01:37:59.000 And then even with a super bright, you know, Halcon lights, et cetera, that halogen lights, you're not going to see much further than like your hand in front of your face.

01:38:08.000 That's outside of the sub because of the salt density, the light doesn't.

01:38:11.000 Travel far outside?

01:38:12.000 all of that. So I mean you can get and that's that's why this footage whenever you do see

01:38:17.000 footage like the James Cameron footage etc of the Titanic you're only seeing like very you know

01:38:22.000 close so close yeah photos because or video footage because the light just can't travel that

01:38:27.000 far at with that pressure and with the salinity of the water. Yeah it's it's really remarkable

01:38:33.000 the fact that human beings have been able to go to such depth the fact that we've been able to

01:38:38.000 engineer crafts that are capable of bringing people to the bottom of the ocean safely and

01:38:42.000 then all the way back up.

01:38:44.000 Obviously, the construction of such a craft has to be done in an unbelievably cautious way with every single detail paid close attention to, and it's possible that this is a case of that not having been done.

01:38:57.000 You know, Tim, you mentioned that it looked a little bit slapped together.

01:39:00.000 On the other hand, I don't know, maybe this thing was perfectly well-constructed and something came out of the way and hit it.

01:39:05.000 I'm curious if you have any more expertise on that.

01:39:07.000 Like, how frequently does this kind of thing happen with a craft which is well-made?

01:39:12.000 I mean, not necessarily hit it, but was swept away by a current or something else happened.

01:39:15.000 I guess my question is, how often does it happen where a well-made, sturdy craft that was constructed safely disappears underwater like this?

01:39:26.000 It's not, it's not often at all.

01:39:28.000 That being said, many subs are, in general, they're viewed as kind of death traps by a lot of people in the Navy.

01:39:34.000 I don't know too many Navy guys that have submarine experience or even Navy divers that would do this on a regular basis without something that was very well taken care of.

01:39:43.000 That being said, even Navy SEALs, others, they just don't They're not, they're not doing stuff like this for fun.

01:39:48.000 They're using, and they're operating at much shallower depth than this.

01:39:52.000 But we are getting to the last 20 minutes, so I don't want to deny the super chats that are in here.

01:39:59.000 By the way, I do see one of the users, I'm not going to say it, but someone actually knows the Navy units that Poso was a member, or deployed in at one point, actually two points, in a sense, when he was in the, when he was in the Navy.

01:40:11.000 So pretty cool.

01:40:12.000 Do tell.

01:40:12.000 So represent, represent.

01:40:14.000 MU5 represent.

01:40:15.000 MU5? 0.59

01:40:16.000 That's all we need to say about that.

01:40:18.000 So let's go in there.

01:40:19.000 So did you want to highlight the ones that we want to get into here?

01:40:23.000 Let's go through.

01:40:23.000 So the West is becoming more authoritarian.

01:40:27.000 Oh yeah, who it is.

01:40:28.000 This is coming from, uh, I'm not your buddy guy.

01:40:30.000 Oh, that's the, that's the, I'm not sure.

01:40:32.000 Okay.

01:40:32.000 I'm like, is that the name?

01:40:33.000 I'm not your buddy guy.

01:40:35.000 The West, I thought that was another comment.

01:40:36.000 The West is becoming more authoritarian by the day.

01:40:39.000 At what point are we no different than China?

01:40:41.000 The future seems bleak to me.

01:40:43.000 As a Canadian.

01:40:44.000 Look, uh, you know, we, we talk about China and we say, Oh, China, 10 years ago, we'd say, can you believe China's banning people from the internet?

01:40:52.000 Can you believe China's locking up people because of what they said on the internet?

01:40:55.000 Look at them. 1.00

01:40:56.000 They're crazy. 1.00

01:40:56.000 They're authoritarian. 1.00

01:40:57.000 They're socialists.

01:40:58.000 Can you believe China is stopping people from making purchases online because of their online activity?

01:41:05.000 And now look at us.

01:41:06.000 Yeah, well, when that happens in China, you know, we call it tyrannical and rightly so. 1.00

01:41:11.000 When it happens in the United States, we say, build your own platform.

01:41:14.000 Exactly.

01:41:15.000 They're a private company, they can do whatever they want.

01:41:16.000 What I will argue is people need to start realizing that we're at wartime right now.

01:41:20.000 This is the largest scale spiritual attack, whatever you want to call it, on the United States.

01:41:25.000 And what people need to understand is that You know, you can let go of your libertarian meme of live and let live.

01:41:31.000 It's really rule or be ruled.

01:41:33.000 In times of war, it's rule or be ruled. 0.76

01:41:35.000 Everyone believes in something, whether it's religion, God, government, whatever it is.

01:41:40.000 Those that believe their ideas are better than yours are going to fight tooth and nail to impose those authorities over you, as we have clearly seen in the last three years.

01:41:49.000 Authority can only be fought with authority man, you know, and and I was a libertarian 2019 2018. I'm like, yeah sure

01:41:54.000 who cares man?

01:41:55.000 You know, this is a dude 2023 being on the front lines of Los Angeles

01:41:59.000 Like I said, man, there's no political movement that firmly grasped my my beliefs and what I think needs to be done in

01:42:04.000 america Okay

01:42:05.000 I hear that so much where people are saying that you know They wanted to do the live and let live thing and then just

01:42:10.000 realize that the other side isn't willing to do that And if they're not willing to do that exactly then suddenly

01:42:14.000 you have to change your way of thinking because Because wait a minute, you actually care about my family and our choices?

01:42:19.000 What do you do next?

01:42:20.000 Let's go to the next one of these.

01:42:21.000 Ian says, I think the AI just won a live deepfake.

01:42:27.000 I have no clue what they're talking about here.

01:42:29.000 Obviously I'm not a deepfake, I'm live.

01:42:31.000 That's how I'm reading you.

01:42:33.000 Matthew Rue says, I hope Tim gets better and we see him soon.

01:42:33.000 Let's go.

01:42:37.000 Been missing his wonderful voice this week.

01:42:39.000 Tim is great.

01:42:39.000 Tim's on assignment right now.

01:42:41.000 Tim's taking care of some special operations.

01:42:43.000 Hopefully, maybe being able to help those guys down the Titan.

01:42:46.000 We'll find out what Tim's up to when Tim Prime returns.

01:42:46.000 We'll find out.

01:42:50.000 True that.

01:42:52.000 Let's go with this guy right here.

01:42:54.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr., a very strange comment.

01:42:57.000 Jack, welcome to the hosting of IRL. I have no idea who that is.

01:43:00.000 A well done, excellent show tonight. Did you feel at home in the seat?

01:43:05.000 Spin that buy pillow button.

01:43:07.000 Well look, I assume you're referring to Jack Posobiec, the...

01:43:10.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:43:11.000 He's doing like the Biden thing.

01:43:12.000 Come on, Jack!

01:43:13.000 Oh, come on, Jack!

01:43:14.000 Everyone's doing it now.

01:43:15.000 Yeah, everyone's doing that now.

01:43:16.000 He's doing the pillow!

01:43:17.000 And when he's talking about the pillow, he's not talking about my pillow promo code, Pozo.

01:43:20.000 Yeah.

01:43:20.000 Pozo, the affordable and healthy way to not only get the best night's sleep in the whole wide world, but also increase your testosterone over time as you increase your sleep.

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01:43:41.000 It's just out there.

01:43:42.000 I'm just saying.

01:43:43.000 Sounds like you're signing up to get conservatives to sleep with.

01:43:45.000 What do we have next?

01:43:47.000 Matthew Schneider.

01:43:48.000 That's why the left calls themselves woke.

01:43:51.000 I must have been totally wrong because I assumed that he was referring to the handsome and brilliant host of Human Events, Jack Posobiec.

01:43:58.000 I don't know about that.

01:43:58.000 He's definitely brilliant.

01:44:00.000 Where are we going next, Serge?

01:44:01.000 Where are we going?

01:44:01.000 Let's get right here.

01:44:02.000 Matthew Schneider, imagine if Hunter Biden were black, he'd definitely be going to jail for 15 years.

01:44:08.000 Well, wasn't there that artist that actually was black and he ended up getting three years in prison for the same?

01:44:12.000 There was like a article that said that.

01:44:14.000 He was also on the board of Burisma?

01:44:16.000 No, no, again, this is the three, look, look, you're, you can go through,

01:44:25.000 you can go through list after list after list of people that have been charged with the,

01:44:30.000 who have committed the same crime and then gotten nowhere near the same sentence.

01:44:34.000 And again, your level of surprise at this story is directly correlated to your level of paying attention.

01:44:42.000 If you've been paying attention, if you're a listener of this show

01:44:45.000 or any of the shows that we all do, then you shouldn't be surprised.

01:44:48.000 You shouldn't be surprised at all because that is what part of the movie we are in.

01:44:52.000 We are very close to the third act showdown.

01:44:55.000 We are very close to the climax, the denouement, whatever you want to call it.

01:44:59.000 This will be the final showdown.

01:45:00.000 That's going to be November 4, 2024.

01:45:03.000 This is not, you know, this is not some early, right, as you said, you know, Oh, live and let live, you know.

01:45:08.000 Let's just dialogue it out, you know, as the Hegelians.

01:45:10.000 Yeah, I know.

01:45:11.000 Those days are long over.

01:45:12.000 It's funny because somebody in the camp is like, yeah, buddy, I'm not going to let you rule.

01:45:15.000 You don't understand how authority works.

01:45:17.000 I got to read this.

01:45:17.000 I got to read this next one.

01:45:18.000 Grofty just gifted 10 Timcast IRL memberships.

01:45:22.000 That's what we're talking about.

01:45:23.000 Grofty.

01:45:23.000 That's huge.

01:45:24.000 Huge.

01:45:25.000 TimCast.com.

01:45:27.000 Click, join us.

01:45:27.000 You have to sign up.

01:45:29.000 Look, we're going to have a very spicy chat about a certain comment that President Biden made today about F-16s, the Second Amendment.

01:45:40.000 I think he said F-15, too.

01:45:42.000 Which are essentially retired.

01:45:43.000 Yeah, but he's essentially retired.

01:45:46.000 So it doesn't make sense.

01:45:46.000 Yeah, basically.

01:45:49.000 We are going to get into some of the logistics of his statement.

01:45:54.000 Look, we were talking beforehand.

01:45:55.000 I said, Look, this is the kind of conversation that's going to get us into the YouTube red zone pretty quick.

01:46:00.000 So you need to be a member in order to sign up, in order to listen.

01:46:03.000 And oh, by the way, if you've been a member for six months, if you have that $25 tier and additionally, you can then call in and we're going to be taking calls as well.

01:46:13.000 I also want to mention this with Biden's comments.

01:46:15.000 He said that the Second Amendment does not protect your right to own a cannon, or did not protect the right to own a cannon.

01:46:21.000 That is literally not true.

01:46:22.000 That is actually not true.

01:46:24.000 There was a merchant who wrote a letter to one of the founders asking if it was legal for him to have cannons on his private ship, and they said yes.

01:46:30.000 Which was something that happened at that time.

01:46:32.000 In fact, the original United States Navy was essentially just Privateers who had merchant ships that had cannons in order to defend themselves against the Navy, against piracy, etc, etc.

01:46:44.000 They were sort of, they were basically drafted into service, but they were still privately owned vessels.

01:46:50.000 And the idea being that after the war, they would go back to being privately owned vessels.

01:46:54.000 All right, let's go next.

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:55.000 Where are we going?

01:46:57.000 Mutt Nanya says, you know, you're the first Californian I've ever heard talk like me and dig his heels in and say, this is my home.

01:47:07.000 I'm not going anywhere.

01:47:08.000 Gold country's got some stubborn old roots that won't leave.

01:47:11.000 I hear you.

01:47:12.000 There you go.

01:47:13.000 I mean, again, everyone has their own story to tell.

01:47:13.000 Yeah, man.

01:47:16.000 Everyone has their family to think about.

01:47:18.000 I agree.

01:47:19.000 And I just think that, at least for mainstream conservatives, Christians, it shouldn't be the first thing we think about. 0.78

01:47:26.000 It should be last resort.

01:47:28.000 You've exhausted all avenues.

01:47:31.000 If you want to move, you've got to go buy a home somewhere, by all means.

01:47:35.000 But to me, I'm there.

01:47:37.000 I'm in the fight.

01:47:38.000 I'm using discernment of God.

01:47:39.000 I feel like He's putting me on the front lines.

01:47:41.000 Eventually, what I want to do, and I was talking to you guys about this, I want to do something similar to this, but in Los Angeles, so that we can have that charming young man, Jack Pasoibic, from Human Events, come on over to Los Angeles, and after, like, a prayer walk, we can go ahead and talk to some folks, you know?

01:47:55.000 So, we need this.

01:47:57.000 We need this, not just in areas like this, or Texas, or red states, we need this in deep blue states, so that we can also have candidates on, and we can talk local politics, and we can tell people what you can do to get active.

01:48:08.000 Maybe if Seamus isn't busy sleeping under my pillow, he'll actually show up this time.

01:48:12.000 Listen, I had other commitments I made in, you know, as the Spanish would say, a woman who prays all day but burns the soup may be half an angel, but she's half a devil too. 0.97

01:48:23.000 You have to do your duties first.

01:48:25.000 Wow.

01:48:26.000 You have to do your duties first.

01:48:28.000 The abuelita outreach of Seamus Coghlan.

01:48:30.000 What do we have next?

01:48:33.000 From Sterling Wilson III, Anthony, as a California Bay Area native, you're absolutely right.

01:48:39.000 We need to stay and fight for our states as a country and you just lost it to take back these United States.

01:48:46.000 We're getting a lot of comments like that that just say they totally agree with you.

01:48:50.000 Thank you.

01:48:50.000 Awesome.

01:48:51.000 And you know, one of the comments just real quick, I said, good, don't come to Texas, bro.

01:48:54.000 I don't want, I don't want to have to.

01:48:57.000 I love California.

01:48:57.000 Why would I leave nice beaches for like a complete flatlands?

01:49:02.000 What do you, what do you think about the, what do you think about the idea of potentially splitting California up?

01:49:08.000 What would you, what would you say about that?

01:49:09.000 Well, here's the thing, like if you look at a map of California, so first and foremost, I know I talk about deep blue, but only because I'm in Los Angeles area, there's no such thing as blue states.

01:49:18.000 There are all red states and we have blue areas in those areas.

01:49:22.000 There's like one exception or two.

01:49:22.000 There's a metro area.

01:49:24.000 Illinois is like the perfect example of that as far as I'm concerned, right?

01:49:27.000 Because you have Cook County where Chicago is and then the rest of the state is bright red.

01:49:31.000 Just bright red.

01:49:32.000 And, you know, but we were talking about cities earlier, like, where now it's like, oh, now it's most major cities.

01:49:37.000 Like, I remember, like, maybe over a decade ago, people from Texas would be like, this would never happen in Houston.

01:49:42.000 This would never happen in Dallas.

01:49:43.000 And then you had all these tech companies move out of California because of tax burdens or whatever.

01:49:47.000 Now they're in Texas, and now it's the cities.

01:49:49.000 Now it's happening in Houston.

01:49:51.000 Earlier, we were talking about the Temple of Satan.

01:49:53.000 They're having unbaptisms in deep red Texas.

01:49:58.000 My brother in Christ who's in Texas.

01:49:59.000 I don't want to come to Texas because you guys are very complacent.

01:50:02.000 You guys have a Texas majority Republican legislature and you guys are allowing the temple of Satan to roam freely in your cities.

01:50:09.000 Well now the conservatives have moved from this isn't happening in our cities.

01:50:12.000 Now they're saying like well sure it's happening in our cities but let them try this in front of my home.

01:50:17.000 It's not going to happen.

01:50:18.000 Let me read this comment from Kid Truck 91, $50 super chat, big one.

01:50:24.000 I want to throw this in for Seamus because it's something that we haven't talked about yet tonight.

01:50:30.000 He says, look, he or she, I actually don't know, it just says kid.

01:50:34.000 Look, I think it's important for us on the right not to ignore the actual problem with what Trump did. 0.98

01:50:39.000 I like him, but it does look like he was making either dumb or bad decisions. 0.80

01:50:44.000 The transcript of him talking about The documents is rather damning.

01:50:48.000 Sheamus, what would you say to that?

01:50:50.000 I guess I have to look into that a bit more deeply.

01:50:53.000 My understanding is that the president of the United States has the authority to declassify these kinds of documents.

01:50:59.000 And we know that Biden had documents stored, which he obtained as vice president during his time in the Senate.

01:51:05.000 So Even if you want to argue that Trump was doing something nefarious, the reality is what Biden did was clearly worse because he actually didn't have any executive authority to do so.

01:51:16.000 So if Trump is up to something sketchy, it looks to me like it's something sketchy that he did legally, but it's also possible.

01:51:25.000 I haven't looked into this deeply enough, so I'm happy to look at those transcripts and I will be happy to come back on air and let you know if I think I was I don't know if I was wrong about that, but you know, I'll turn it over to you, Tim.

01:51:34.000 Well, so Brett Baird asked Trump about this in his response and Brit Hume said, and this was so funny because Brit Hume goes, oh, his response was incomprehensible and incoherent.

01:51:46.000 And I said, okay, well, let me listen to it.

01:51:47.000 And I go and look and he said, well, the reason that he said, number one, they were the documents that Trump said that the documents he was talking about in that were magazine clippings Newspaper clippings that he was holding and waving up because you can apparently on this transcript of the tape which they won't release right which is like already kind of you know quite like that's a little sketchy to begin with that you're you're indicting a guy based on a tape that we can't listen to that you claim to have heard and yet we aren't allowed to hear it but you tell us that you have a transcript

01:52:18.000 Because how many times has it happened before with the DOJ the government will come out with some claim and then defense lawyers get to it and they hack away at it and they hack away at it and then eventually we get information that says oh wait a minute and and Trump is saying here he's already making the claim and you can argue whether or not that it's a good idea to do this but he's litigating this before it gets to a court of law he's going on national tv and he's made that decision which is right as an American obviously to defend yourself in public before you get to the courtroom Every lawyer will tell you not to do that, but at the same time, you know, those lawyers never became a billionaire in the president of the United States.

01:52:51.000 And so for him to say, look, these were newspaper clippings, magazine clippings, why didn't I give the boxes back?

01:52:55.000 Because I had personal records in there, personal records that they didn't have.

01:52:59.000 The right to have back because they said he had closed in there other things again when you look at those boxes and we talked about this already those were boxes that were just him packing up his office right so everything that you have in an office there's some of your stuff there's personal stuff there's mementos gifts that people give you that doesn't necessarily mean that everything in those boxes fell under this and so the idea is that he should have just oh why didn't you turn them all over because well why should he those are his Yeah, well, I'd also like to revise what I said to some extent because I get the feeling after having said all of that that it's probably unsatisfactory to the caller because I invoked what Joe Biden did when he was simply asking me to acknowledge the wrongdoing with what Trump did.

01:53:38.000 So what I'll say is, even striking all of that, If Trump did break the law here, then of course that was wrong.

01:53:46.000 And your point is that something really bad could have happened here and we should acknowledge that it's bad.

01:53:51.000 Well, it would have been really bad if he had colluded with the Russian government to subvert American democracy as well. 0.92

01:53:57.000 But we now know that claim was totally bogus.

01:53:59.000 So I don't know why I should trust the same point on the same day that the Durham report And the Durham hearing is going on telling us that the government lied, that the same department of the same government lied for all these years.

01:54:10.000 We should just turn around and accept everything they say at face value.

01:54:14.000 Exactly.

01:54:14.000 So I'm saying, I think they have an extremely high burden of proof.

01:54:17.000 I would even say an extraordinarily high burden of proof because when they've gone after him in the past, they've turned out to be completely wrong despite making extremely confident claims about their certainty that he had broken the law and that they were going to arrest him.

01:54:31.000 And so I would say that I am inclined to not believe any of what they're saying, and I'm going to need to see really extremely strong evidence, an absolute smoking gun.

01:54:42.000 I'm going to need to see that he was caught red-handed doing something illegal or nefarious here in order to believe that that's actually what took place.

01:54:50.000 We also have another $50 chat in Amos Moses.

01:54:54.000 He says, unpopular opinion.

01:54:56.000 I'm assuming this is responding to the Hunter Biden situation.

01:55:01.000 He says, Using crack isn't a disqualifier for owning a gun.

01:55:05.000 The right of the people shall not be infringed.

01:55:08.000 The founding fathers knew of drugs and alcohol, but didn't mention it.

01:55:12.000 Jimcast IRL featuring Shamus.

01:55:16.000 They didn't mention crack, I guess, yeah.

01:55:19.000 Well, they didn't have crack.

01:55:21.000 They didn't have crack because the CIA hadn't invented it yet.

01:55:24.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:55:26.000 What I'll say is this.

01:55:28.000 I do think that smoking crack disqualifies one from firearm ownership, and part of the reason I will say that is because what the founders said and what they understood is that in order for the Constitution to be an even remotely sustainable framework for governing a population, they have to be a virtuous population.

01:55:47.000 So, the idea that we can trust everyone to own firearms does make sense when no one's smoking crack, okay?

01:55:56.000 But when you have crackheads running around, you either have to say, oh, we don't have a population that's virtuous enough to own guns responsibly, or we should let people own guns, but not the people who are smoking crack.

01:56:09.000 Well, you know what they did have back then was opium.

01:56:15.000 I guess I would say if someone was running around smoking opium, the local authority was probably going to tell that person either not to keep their guns or they might keep an extra eye on them, right?

01:56:28.000 So you didn't have the same oversight from the federal government.

01:56:30.000 Which, by the way, was not legal in the States.

01:56:32.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:56:34.000 So you didn't have the same federal oversight, but if you look at how things were being done in any of the colonies or states, yeah, there was local law enforcement, and if someone was smoking opium and also had a firearm or was using their firearm while smoking it, that would be dealt with by local authorities.

01:56:52.000 I want to read a couple here.

01:56:53.000 I'm almost certain of that.

01:56:54.000 I want to read a couple here.

01:56:55.000 Some people are talking about promo code Tanya, which is ridiculous because it doesn't exist.

01:56:59.000 But actually, hold on, Serge.

01:57:00.000 There's a few here of former submariners who are coming in.

01:57:05.000 You know, one of two.

01:57:07.000 This is from David Aramond, former submariner.

01:57:10.000 Sonar tech.

01:57:11.000 The only chance of finding them with a chance of being alive would be to use bottom mapping sonar.

01:57:17.000 This is rare tech that is not going to be on station quickly.

01:57:20.000 That's right.

01:57:20.000 his second half is which he paid twice to be able to get two chats in right on there are other options for searching with active sonar from a fast attack sub however at 13 000 feet only a few vessels can get that deep none of them are equipped for rescue and salvage That's exactly right, and I was having the same exact thought, but I think it's right.

01:57:42.000 We have tech, but we don't have tech on the right platforms, the speed, the time, none of it fits.

01:57:47.000 Look, folks, it's been an incredible first time out of the box here.

01:57:51.000 Myself, Tim 2.0, will of course promote human events, humanevents.com.

01:57:56.000 Make sure you go check that out, 2 p.m.

01:57:57.000 every day, tpaction.com.

01:57:59.000 You want to check it out?

01:58:00.000 Guys, let's go around.

01:58:01.000 Shout out your stuff.

01:58:03.000 Yeah, once again, thanks to everyone here for having me.

01:58:05.000 Tim Poole, thank you so much.

01:58:06.000 Great conversation, seriously.

01:58:07.000 It's an honor to be here, man.

01:58:08.000 Yeah, honestly.

01:58:09.000 And again, no hate, man.

01:58:11.000 None of the stuff that I brought up, it's just a different mentality out in California, I guess, being on the front lines and stuff like that.

01:58:18.000 If you guys want to follow me, I go by InformWithAnthony.

01:58:21.000 What I do is I do stuff in English and Spanish.

01:58:23.000 We've been flipping districts.

01:58:25.000 We've been flipping school boards.

01:58:27.000 We flipped one district that hadn't been flipped from blue to red since 1998.

01:58:31.000 I get down at the local level.

01:58:33.000 We have a lot of activism.

01:58:35.000 I'm part of the Los Angeles Young Republicans.

01:58:37.000 We're doing ballot harvest training.

01:58:39.000 We're getting into the churches.

01:58:41.000 That's actually an initiative that we're pushing a lot.

01:58:43.000 Start getting the ballot boxes at the churches.

01:58:47.000 And so again, all handles at informwithanthony including YouTube.

01:58:51.000 I do a daily show Monday to Friday.

01:58:52.000 And Texans, if you really want me, come and get me there, baby. 1.00

01:58:56.000 I'm Seamus Coghlan.

01:58:58.000 What I would like to shout out today is something that a number of you probably have heard me say if you've been seeing me on podcasts lately or following me on Twitter, but there's a family at my church and they have a three-year-old little son named Seamus and he has skeletal dysplasia and he's having a very dangerous surgery in the near future.

01:59:16.000 So, what I'm asking for people to do is pray for him and to pray for his family, and I posted the prayer that his family is going to be praying.

01:59:27.000 I can post it again in the comments section of this video if you guys want to look at that and say the same prayer that all of us are saying, but please send your prayers out to him and his family.

01:59:37.000 Thank you, Seamus.

01:59:38.000 Thanks, man.

01:59:38.000 Amen.

01:59:39.000 And the same to the people on board the Submersible, the Titan.

01:59:42.000 Prayer for these people, because sometimes you just look in the right place.

01:59:46.000 I had a great time tonight.

01:59:47.000 That was really fun, and I felt like it was getting hot at points.

01:59:50.000 We were talking about God and religion, and that's a good thing.

01:59:52.000 I like that kind of almost-too-close-to-the-sun kind of mentality, because we got to get up there to see what's happening down below.

02:00:00.000 Jack, you're out there somewhere.

02:00:01.000 Jack Posobiec.

02:00:02.000 Ladies and gentlemen, MyPillow.com.

02:00:04.000 Promo code POSO.

02:00:05.000 That's P-O-S-O. 1.00

02:00:07.000 And I want a special shout out to Tim Pool, who's out there in the Ethoverse somewhere listening and loving and having a great night.

02:00:13.000 Tim, I love you, man.

02:00:15.000 He's actually traveling the multiverse right now.

02:00:17.000 That's why Tim 2.0 is here.

02:00:19.000 Tim Prime is traveling the multiverse.

02:00:21.000 He will be back with Spider Powers very shortly.

02:00:26.000 Look, folks, it's been a great night.

02:00:28.000 Got to see, by the way, I have to say this, I got to see the world premiere, DC premiere of Sound of Freedom last night, Jim Caviezel, Tim Ballard.

02:00:36.000 I understand there's some talk about getting them on TimCast.

02:00:39.000 Look, hardest show I've ever watched in my life.

02:00:42.000 I have my rosary in my pocket.

02:00:44.000 At one point, Tanya turns to me and she thought I was talking to her.

02:00:48.000 She thought I was saying something to her.

02:00:50.000 I was just praying the rosary because I didn't know what else to do.

02:00:53.000 Some of the stuff they show These are little kids.

02:00:57.000 This is real.

02:00:58.000 So go to angel.com slash human events.

02:01:00.000 Get the tickets.

02:01:02.000 I'm going to say right now, support this movie.

02:01:05.000 But I'm going to tell you right now that this movie is not for the faint of heart.

02:01:08.000 This is a movie that some people are going to want to turn off.

02:01:11.000 I wanted to walk out at times.

02:01:12.000 Not because it was poorly made.

02:01:14.000 It was fantastic.

02:01:14.000 The production was incredible.

02:01:15.000 The quality was incredible.

02:01:17.000 But because of the content.

02:01:19.000 And because I have two little boys at home who, and the very first thing I did when I got home was walk up to them and just hold them and just give them a kiss on the forehead and say, Daddy loves you.

02:01:29.000 Because they show a little boy and a little girl being kidnapped and what happens to them after they are kidnapped by sex traffickers.

02:01:41.000 In South America, and it is pure evil, but God bless the people, Eduardo Verastegui for making this film, CPAC for holding the premiere at Museum of the Bible.

02:01:52.000 It was fantastic.

02:01:53.000 Really incredible.

02:01:54.000 Also, just a shout out for back home.

02:01:56.000 I've talked before and Tim has talked about how, you know, I had this great community back home when I was growing up, a town, a real town.

02:02:05.000 And I remember, you know, my dad used to, my dad worked at a local hospital on Fridays.

02:02:09.000 He'd pick up his actual payroll.

02:02:11.000 We would go and drop it off at the local bank, at the branch.

02:02:14.000 And then we'd stop into the paint shop, because the paint shop was right next door to the bank, and my dad's best friend would work at the paint shop, and if we needed to paint something at the house, we'd go see Mike, and Mike would mix us up some paint, and we'd get for him, and he'd show us the color, and we'd make sure it was the one my mom wanted, you know?

02:02:33.000 And, um, and he passed away today, um, very suddenly.

02:02:37.000 And so just, uh, just, we're praying for his family, but it's also, it made me think about how those communities, those tight knit communities that we used to have in this country are few and far between.

02:02:47.000 And my children don't have communities like that anymore, where they're friends with the people that I grew up being friends with and that my father was being friends with.

02:02:56.000 And so those, That is what was taken from me personally.

02:03:00.000 That's what was taken from my children.

02:03:02.000 This is what has been taken from us as a nation.

02:03:04.000 So let's pray for that.

02:03:06.000 That we can return for it.

02:03:07.000 And folks, never forget what they took from us.

02:03:09.000 Speaking of community man, we got one badass mother over here to my right. 1.00

02:03:13.000 Oh yeah, I almost forgot myself.

02:03:14.000 What's up?

02:03:16.000 It was a good one.

02:03:17.000 I totally hear you, man.

02:03:18.000 As someone who lived in LA for some years before I came out here, it is the front lines.

02:03:22.000 There's a lot going on there, and I think that people often give up hope when you're in a place like LA, because it's hard not to look around you, especially as I'm sure you know that Skid Row is all over the downtown area.

02:03:33.000 It's not just 6th Street anymore, it's the entire Entire downtown of Los Angeles.

02:03:39.000 But you guys can't give up hope.

02:03:40.000 There's always something better to do.

02:03:42.000 There's always a future that you can work towards.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - June 22, 2023

Timcast IRL - Hunter WALKS As Trump Faces 100 Years In Jail w-Anthony Cabassa

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