Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Left Promotes HORSE MEDICINE To Give Abortions, Call For REVOLUTION w-Helena Kerschner

00:00:00.000 In a shocking twist, Vice published an article where the left is actually advocating for

00:00:13.000 people to take horse medicine in order to induce abortions because with what's happening

00:00:20.000 in the Roe v. Wade draft leak, the world has gone insane, but you knew that.

00:00:25.000 The world's been insane for some time.

00:00:26.000 I mean, Donald Trump was president, and we all know that it just...

00:00:30.000 It seems like we're in some kind of TV show.

00:00:32.000 I guess it's the joke, right?

00:00:33.000 The writers for season two, they could not make things more absurd.

00:00:37.000 And so, quite literally, Vice publishes an article talking about misoprostol, a horse drug for treating horse ulcers that induces abortion in women.

00:00:46.000 And they're like, this is what you can do!

00:00:48.000 And in the same breath, in the same paragraph, they're like, also like ivermectin, which is also horse medicine.

00:00:54.000 And I'm just like, are you kidding me?

00:00:56.000 You know what?

00:00:58.000 Please, do not ingest horse medicine.

00:01:00.000 I don't care if the left tells you to do it or whoever.

00:01:02.000 But we'll talk about that.

00:01:03.000 We got the Supreme Court Justice, Chief Justice John Roberts has confirmed that this leak is in fact an initial draft and now there's conspiracies running rampant about who leaked it.

00:01:14.000 The left is claiming it was leaked by conservatives.

00:01:16.000 What?

00:01:17.000 To force the other conservative justices, it was leaked by Alito's camp, so it would force them to agree with him because initial drafts can change.

00:01:27.000 And because this got leaked, any change to it now would insinuate public pressure changed their ruling.

00:01:33.000 Yeah, I gotta be honest, like literally all of the news is just abortion.

00:01:37.000 There's protests.

00:01:37.000 And we've got a lot.

00:01:38.000 The left is calling for civil war.

00:01:40.000 I'm not even exaggerating this.

00:01:41.000 Like, people are like, Tim talks about civil war all the time.

00:01:43.000 They're actually saying they want insurrection, revolution, and they want to effing burn it all down.

00:01:47.000 So, uh, I don't know.

00:01:48.000 Call it whatever you want, I guess.

00:01:50.000 But, uh, we've also got other stuff that's in a similar vein, too.

00:01:53.000 We've got this story out of Florida where a family is suing because a school was gender transitioning their child without the parents knowing.

00:02:00.000 So joining us to talk about that and many other things is Helena Kirshner.

00:02:05.000 Hello, I'm Helena.

00:02:06.000 I write and I talk primarily about trans issues from my perspective as someone who detransitioned and identified as trans for about five years.

00:02:14.000 So you're biologically female? 1.00

00:02:17.000 Mm-hmm.

00:02:17.000 Transitioned to male or man?

00:02:21.000 What's the proper terminology?

00:02:22.000 Well, I wouldn't say that I transitioned to a man because I was never a man, but I did identify as various flavors of non-binary and then eventually as a boy and I took testosterone for about a year and a half.

00:02:33.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:34.000 And now you identify as a woman.

00:02:35.000 Yes.

00:02:36.000 Well, I am a woman.

00:02:37.000 You are a woman.

00:02:37.000 Yeah.

00:02:38.000 So this is gonna get interesting because there is an overlap, obviously, with all of these issues.

00:02:42.000 And I gotta just point it out because we often do.

00:02:44.000 You know, when reading these stories, when we're starting with the left advocating for people taking horse medicine, I'm just like, there's no principles behind what they're advocating for.

00:02:53.000 It's like there's no logic behind it.

00:02:54.000 So we'll get into all that.

00:02:55.000 We also got Seamus.

00:02:56.000 Seamus, good to be here.

00:02:57.000 I'm the guy who makes Freedom Tunes.

00:02:59.000 We uploaded a video today.

00:03:00.000 We'll be uploading one on Thursday.

00:03:01.000 And I just want to mention, the entire Ivermectin horse medicine thing was mostly a straw man directed at the right, but it's so hilarious that they couldn't even maintain the don't take horse medicine position that they totally fabricated to try to dunk on us.

00:03:14.000 It's wonderful.

00:03:15.000 Oh, there you go.

00:03:16.000 I'm gonna roll a 100-sided die.

00:03:18.000 I don't know if you guys are into superstition or if this is actually like a magnetic... Oh, I rolled a 4.

00:03:21.000 That's my favorite number.

00:03:23.000 Look, it's almost a 100.

00:03:24.000 It's very close to a 100.

00:03:25.000 Very close.

00:03:26.000 But I am Ian Crossland.

00:03:27.000 4 is my favorite number because when I used to play Sorry, the board game, if the first card you drew was a 4, you got to go backwards and then immediately got into the safe zone.

00:03:37.000 I also like the color green.

00:03:39.000 Well, okay.

00:03:40.000 Did you just call me Seamus?

00:03:40.000 Now you know.

00:03:43.000 It's because I read a super chat where it said Seamus and then I just like wasn't thinking.

00:03:49.000 What's up everybody?

00:03:50.000 Let's get this rolling.

00:03:51.000 Well, this is a very strong start.

00:03:53.000 I'm excited for this evening with Helena.

00:03:55.000 It's going to be awesome.

00:03:56.000 I'm excited to hear what she has to say, even though our topic is not trans issues.

00:03:59.000 It will be great.

00:04:00.000 We get to have the conversation.

00:04:01.000 You know what I wanted to point out?

00:04:02.000 Well, firstly, it's Helena.

00:04:04.000 Yeah.

00:04:05.000 Accents on the second part of the word.

00:04:06.000 We were talking about this a long time before the show.

00:04:08.000 Yeah, but that's kind of a bummer because the song from My Chemical Romance is Helena.

00:04:12.000 Interesting.

00:04:13.000 Well, the other thing I want to point out is that if you guys are going to be putting numbers in the chat for me, you know, 20s, 1s, be a little more creative with exactly what number you think I rolled.

00:04:23.000 Because it's a 5% chance you're going to get a 1 or a 20.

00:04:25.000 Like, you can roll a 12, you can roll a 13, you can roll a 4, it's okay.

00:04:29.000 $420.69 if Ian says something good.

00:04:30.000 That's right.

00:04:31.000 If you got five dice to roll and you were all $420.69, wait.

00:04:33.000 You need a d20 in there.

00:04:33.000 $420.69, yeah.

00:04:34.000 Yahtzee.

00:04:38.000 Well, I want to ask... That's a difficult role.

00:04:40.000 Helena, so what has the response been to your work from transgender actors?

00:04:45.000 I'm very curious.

00:04:46.000 We should get in all this, too.

00:04:47.000 Because I don't want to just jump in.

00:04:49.000 We actually have a story.

00:04:50.000 If you head over to TimCast.com, you can actually see that the front page story we have right now is about a Florida mother suing a school that secretly discussed gender transition with her middle schooler.

00:04:58.000 But we'll get into that later when we have, you know, I want to give a dedicated segment where we go deep in that stuff.

00:05:03.000 Well, I hope the FBI is looking into her.

00:05:06.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

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00:05:53.000 Let's jump into this first story from Motherboard.

00:05:57.000 Vice.com.

00:05:58.000 Anarchist collective shares instructions to make DIY abortion pills.

00:06:03.000 DIY medicine collectives are preparing for the horrifying prospect that Roe v. Wade will be overturned.

00:06:08.000 And in this image, I guess that's misoprostol, I suppose, they're saying with the Supreme Court poised to overturn the constitutional rights to abortion, Constitutional right.

00:06:16.000 An anarchist collective that makes DIY medicine has released detailed instructions for making abortion pills.

00:06:22.000 The group has previously released instructions for making DIY EpiPen and for making... What is that?

00:06:28.000 Daraprim?

00:06:29.000 Daraprim?

00:06:30.000 You're the fancy Dr. Lydia. 0.96

00:06:31.000 What is that?

00:06:32.000 Daraprim?

00:06:33.000 Daraprim?

00:06:33.000 Yeah.

00:06:34.000 I've not seen that word.

00:06:35.000 The pill that made Farmer Bro Martin Shkreli famous.

00:06:38.000 We talked about this a bit on the show that like, uh, I think it was Thomas, with Thomas Massey, that horse and no, no sheep epinephrine is like 30 bucks for 50 doses.

00:06:50.000 And it's like the same dosage a person gets.

00:06:52.000 And it's like, Oh, but you can't take sheep, take sheep medicine.

00:06:54.000 And I think Thomas was saying, no, it's literally the same thing.

00:06:56.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 But like an EpiPen is 500 bucks.

00:06:58.000 The insurance agencies are colluding with the pharmaceutical companies to spike the prices.

00:07:03.000 You pay your insurance, they pay the claim for you, they raise your insurance, and then you get this overpriced medicine.

00:07:09.000 Well, I don't know about all that, but what I do know is in the article it says, in the video, Laufer explains that besides being used to medically induce abortions, misoprostol is also used to treat ulcers in horses.

00:07:19.000 This makes misoprostol powder relatively easy to acquire from veterinary sources.

00:07:25.000 This is reminiscent of ivermectin, which is used to control parasites in horses, but also became a favored but ineffective COVID treatment among conspiracy theorists.

00:07:33.000 Ivermectin's use in horses made it easier for humans to get without a prescription.

00:07:38.000 This is amazing.

00:07:38.000 Laufer explains in the video how to dose misoprostol and how to press it into pills using a scale, corn syrup, powdered sugar, a spray bottle, and a pollen press.

00:07:49.000 They explain that a three-dose regimen of misoprostol is 85% effective in inducing abortion.

00:07:55.000 If taken with Mifepristone, another abortion pill, that raises, that rate raises, oh, if taken with Mifepristone, is that how you say that?

00:08:04.000 The rate rises to 95% effectiveness through, though raw Mifepristone is harder to source.

00:08:08.000 So what they're actually saying in this is that people who are outraged over the potential overturning of Roe v. Wade have told people to go to the vet to buy horse medicine so they can have abortions.

00:08:20.000 Look, if the worst case scenario about the Ivermectin horse paste thing was that it didn't do anything, it didn't do anything.

00:08:27.000 There were some stories about people getting sick because they would eat like a tube of horse paste and you can't do that.

00:08:31.000 But this actually hurts you.

00:08:34.000 This is like a poison.

00:08:36.000 And now they're advocating for this?

00:08:38.000 My friends.

00:08:38.000 Well, they've been advocating for poisoning babies for quite a long time.

00:08:41.000 Look, look, look.

00:08:43.000 I know I say this quite a bit when people go to you and they say, you know, you're lying.

00:08:48.000 Your sources of news aren't real or whatever.

00:08:51.000 People say to us, how do I convince my parents or my friends and my family that, you know, the news is fake?

00:08:58.000 Here, this, after everything they said about horse medicine and Joe Rogan and the smears, they're now advocating for it.

00:09:06.000 What more do you need to be like, well, now they're saying take horse pills.

00:09:10.000 I mean, look, if at this point someone can see that and they think to themselves, well, this one's okay.

00:09:16.000 It's like, okay, you have no interest in being honest and actually talking about what you believe.

00:09:21.000 You have no principles.

00:09:22.000 Whatever, man.

00:09:23.000 There's a couple layers to this.

00:09:24.000 One is, firstly, it's not horse medicine.

00:09:27.000 It's medicine that they put into a horse pace to feed the horses.

00:09:31.000 It's the same with ivermectin.

00:09:32.000 It's a medicine that was used in a horse environment sometimes, but it's not horse medicine.

00:09:37.000 It's just medicine.

00:09:38.000 Secondly, I talked about this last night.

00:09:40.000 People are going to be inducing miscarriages now. 0.99

00:09:44.000 That's the problem with making it illegal is people are going to keep doing it and they're going to find probably more dangerous and violent ways to do it.

00:09:50.000 That's my concern anyway.

00:09:51.000 And then this pops up.

00:09:52.000 Yeah, I mean, I strongly believe that fewer people are going to do it.

00:09:55.000 No law is perfect.

00:09:56.000 You're never going to prevent 100% of any crime.

00:09:59.000 You try to deter people from committing, but ultimately making it illegal to have abortions does prevent them.

00:10:04.000 And if it didn't, the left wouldn't really be upset about all this.

00:10:06.000 You know, to follow up on that point, I thought the same thing about murder.

00:10:09.000 Cause I, last night I was thinking about our conversation and like, you know, if murder was legal, there would be a lot more murder.

00:10:15.000 Yeah.

00:10:16.000 So there is something to making things illegal and preventing the, the, uh, the proliferation of the activity.

00:10:22.000 Yeah.

00:10:23.000 I just don't like top down.

00:10:24.000 I don't like saying now, now it's illegal.

00:10:26.000 So no one can do it anymore.

00:10:27.000 Like now it's illegal to have guns.

00:10:29.000 So no one can 3d print them anymore.

00:10:30.000 Yeah.

00:10:30.000 Right.

00:10:31.000 People are going to still 3d print guns and you're just going to create a criminal class.

00:10:34.000 No, I agree.

00:10:35.000 Especially with gun control, it's complicated because people are finding more and more ways to create them and get them.

00:10:40.000 But ultimately, part of the reason why we oppose gun control is because we know it would be harder to get a firearm and fewer of us would be able to if it were implemented.

00:10:47.000 So there is some effectiveness.

00:10:49.000 I mean, gun control certainly is not effective at lowering gun crime or preventing homicide or anything like that.

00:10:55.000 But it is, in some cases, very effective at getting guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens because the law can be effective.

00:11:01.000 What do you think, Alana, about all this?

00:11:04.000 I mean, I'm really conflicted on all of the abortion stuff.

00:11:08.000 I mean, I'm not entirely compelled by the pro-life arguments, but I also, I recognize

00:11:15.000 that a lot of the pro-choice or I guess pro-abortion arguments are just coming from very seemingly

00:11:22.000 unwell people and that there's just, there's something anti-woman, anti-human, something

00:11:29.000 that just hates motherhood about it. 1.00

00:11:32.000 And it just, it really skeeves me out.

00:11:34.000 So I'm just watching all this stuff and just thinking like, how can we have a conversation

00:11:40.000 about this that isn't completely split between these two?

00:11:44.000 I don't, I don't, so the argument for over the past week or so with Elon Musk is that

00:11:51.000 the left, you know, he posted this meme showing the left moving further and further left and

00:11:54.000 the right's kind of staying where it is in the center then becomes right wing because

00:11:57.000 the left moves so far left.

00:11:59.000 And the left keeps saying, oh no, that's not true, that's not happening.

00:12:03.000 My response is, when I was a kid, the right wanted to ban abortion.

00:12:08.000 As I grew up, the left was saying, safe, legal, and rare are compromised.

00:12:12.000 No late-term abortions.

00:12:13.000 Most people in this country, even today, disagree with abortions after the first trimester.

00:12:19.000 That means second trimester and third, no abortions! 1.00

00:12:22.000 I think the New York Times reported this, that Roe v. Wade actually stops certain restrictions on abortion in the second trimester, which creates this paradox, but we get to that in a second.

00:12:34.000 So the right today still wants to ban abortion, but now the left wants all restrictions removed, which is a huge leap from where it was when I was younger.

00:12:43.000 Safe, legal, and rare.

00:12:44.000 Meaning, in the first trimester, if there are certain issues, so the issues that get brought up frequently are ectopic pregnancies.

00:12:51.000 Which I suppose the argument, Seamus, you and Matt Walsh brought up is that you don't consider an abortion an ectopic pregnancy.

00:12:57.000 That's the principle of double effect.

00:12:59.000 So basically there are certain medical procedures you might have to perform on a sick woman who happens to be pregnant that could result in the death of the unborn child.

00:13:07.000 And you perform that surgery to save her life, and if the unborn child dies, that's unfortunate, but your intention is not to go in there and kill the child.

00:13:15.000 It's an unintended side effect of the operation, so that isn't considered an abortion.

00:13:19.000 Including by certain pro-choice organizations, by the way.

00:13:21.000 Many of them won't call it an abortion.

00:13:23.000 I know WebMD doesn't call it an abortion.

00:13:24.000 I believe Planned Parenthood does not call it a top-of-the-pregnancy procedure.

00:13:26.000 So this is the argument that's often made from the left, because I don't think they're having conversations with conservatives, because I think talking to Matt Walsh was particularly enlightening.

00:13:34.000 He effectively said, you can terminate a pregnancy, but it doesn't mean you have to kill the baby.

00:13:39.000 Meaning at certain points, if you can save the baby's life, why wouldn't you do it?

00:13:43.000 So it's like, there's an interesting question I think for most pro-abortion people we should ask.

00:13:51.000 If a woman is pregnant in the second or third trimester, and the baby can safely be removed ending the pregnancy, but the baby can also be saved, should that be mandated? 0.91

00:14:03.000 Yeah, I think, I mean, I think they would say no.

00:14:05.000 It's interesting, you mentioned that the left has become more extreme on this issue, and I completely agree, but on the other hand, I think they've really just become more consistent to their base principle here.

00:14:14.000 On the right, the argument was that this is a human life, and so it has to be protected from conception until natural death, and on the side of the left, it was basically the argument that, like, either we don't know if this is a human life, or it outright isn't a human life, and in that case, it doesn't make sense to restrict it at all.

00:14:29.000 So we were talking a little bit before the show, and Helena, you were saying that you don't have a really strong position on this.

00:14:37.000 I don't.

00:14:38.000 I don't.

00:14:39.000 I'm sorry.

00:14:40.000 No, you don't have to, because I actually kind of agree with you.

00:14:43.000 I don't have a particularly strong position on this, because it's almost an impossible moral question.

00:14:51.000 And I keep looking to the left for moral arguments, which they don't have.

00:14:55.000 Okay, I don't know.

00:14:56.000 Good to meet him.

00:14:57.000 You know, I've heard the argument to meet him. I've heard the arguments from the right and they're

00:15:01.000 static. Like here's the argument. Life begins at conception.

00:15:04.000 Life, you know, life has rights.

00:15:07.000 The government has to protect the rights of the living. You have two people. And I'm like,

00:15:10.000 there's a really interesting ethical conundrum in here when we're talking about the rights of

00:15:14.000 two people sharing one body and one bloodstream. And then I looked to the left and they say things

00:15:18.000 like life doesn't begin until first breath.

00:15:22.000 That's a, that's a quote from the Bible, I think.

00:15:24.000 Well, no, no, it's not from the Bible.

00:15:26.000 There are certain people who have tried to argue that because, um, Adam takes or God breathes life into Adam in the old Testament, that that means that scripture is saying life does not begin until the first breath, but that's an unbelievable reach.

00:15:39.000 And the prohibition on abortion is one of the earliest Christian teachings.

00:15:43.000 I mean, the States all the way back to the first century.

00:15:45.000 So it's just not true.

00:15:46.000 Either way, I'm not entirely sure what the left does want.

00:15:50.000 So my position and my family has always been, like what we talk about all the time, is it's safe, legal, and rare.

00:15:56.000 That's the famous saying.

00:15:57.000 Even Tulsi Gabbard was saying it.

00:15:59.000 And it's like, there should be restrictions.

00:16:02.000 And so, my position is not particularly strong.

00:16:04.000 I really don't know.

00:16:06.000 And I don't understand why so many people are screaming at the top of their lungs about this because abortion wasn't even banned.

00:16:11.000 It's just going to a state-level thing, so it's like, okay, I don't know, petition your state, vote for your local reps, or if you're the majority of Democrats and you live in a blue state, you have nothing to worry about.

00:16:21.000 I think some of it is just sort of your classic typical histrionic leftist behavior.

00:16:25.000 Every time something goes wrong for them in politics, they end up throwing a tantrum and will even burn down cities, attack people, commit acts of violence.

00:16:33.000 Another part of it is I think there are some number of people whose consciences are genuinely bothered because either they've had an abortion or they've helped someone participate.

00:16:40.000 You know, they've participated in helping someone procure an abortion and they haven't really reconciled with the wrongness of that.

00:16:46.000 And so anything that reminds them that some people don't approve of that behavior really sends them off I want to pull up this poll from Civics.

00:16:53.000 Which party is more concerned with people like you?

00:16:57.000 I chose the 18-34 demographic and you can see 41% say Democrats, 30% say neither, 25% say Republicans, and I probably fall in that neither camp and I assume most people watching do.

00:17:10.000 That's why a lot of the arguments coming from the Democrats on this issue don't make sense because they lump the neither and the Republican groups together.

00:17:17.000 Even though like the neither side is like, well, I guess I'll vote for a Republican because the Democrats are nuts, but I don't like Republicans at all.

00:17:17.000 Yeah.

00:17:24.000 Yeah.

00:17:24.000 Well, and it's also the case that for me, I'm very conservative, but I don't really feel the Republican party has my best interests in mind as a person either.

00:17:33.000 And I think most Republicans don't feel that way.

00:17:35.000 It's actually very interesting that 41% say they think the Democratic Party has their interest in mind because what that says to me is Democrats are just much more likely to fall in lockstep with the party line and say, oh, the politician who told me they have my best interest in mind has my best interest in mind.

00:17:52.000 I had a conversation with Steven Crowder.

00:17:54.000 And he asked me about my stance on abortion.

00:17:56.000 And then I was like, my family, you know, I grew up, we were pro-choice.

00:18:00.000 These are the arguments we heard.

00:18:01.000 It was always about there being some reasonable restrictions.

00:18:04.000 But now the issue I have, I guess, is like, you know, that, what's that woman's name?

00:18:08.000 Michelle Wolf?

00:18:09.000 Is that the comedian?

00:18:11.000 Saluting to abortion, saying everyone gets abortions.

00:18:13.000 Lena Dunham saying she wished she had one.

00:18:15.000 And I'm like, that doesn't represent me or my family and my community at all.

00:18:20.000 And so which party do I vote for?

00:18:22.000 The Republicans want to ban it outright.

00:18:24.000 I'm like, okay, well, I don't know if I agree with that.

00:18:26.000 The Democrats want zero restrictions, and they literally have people who are like, at the point of birth, the baby can be killed.

00:18:33.000 They have, it was Northam, I think, right?

00:18:35.000 In Virginia?

00:18:36.000 Where he said, the baby will be delivered, and made comfortable, and then the mother and the doctor will have a conversation on what to do next.

00:18:43.000 And I was like, what?! !

00:18:44.000 Yeah, I was like who am I voting for right now?

00:18:46.000 So when we say politically homeless, you know I don't care if these zealot cult people are like you're a Republican.

00:18:52.000 I'm like sure I guess cuz like not Snipping the spinal cord of a baby at nine months right as it's being born If I have a choice between not doing that and doing that I'd be like, I guess I'm voting Republican.

00:19:04.000 Yeah, can I just mention one more thing before we jump into this?

00:19:06.000 I think it goes even deeper than that because obviously you and I disagree on this.

00:19:09.000 I don't believe there should be any exception.

00:19:11.000 Abortion should be completely illegal.

00:19:13.000 However, it's not just that the Democratic Party is even necessarily saying abortion up until the last second of pregnancy.

00:19:18.000 In a number of states, as you mentioned, there have been discussions about even allowing the child to die after the abortion has failed.

00:19:24.000 But on top of that, our quote-unquote very Catholic president, Joe Biden, Has talked about appealing the Hyde Amendment, and the Hyde Amendment prevents federal funding from paying for abortions.

00:19:34.000 So basically the position of the left is that yes, taxpayers should be funding this.

00:19:39.000 I wanna pull up that video.

00:19:41.000 It's like the most extreme possible position.

00:19:45.000 I don't trust a lot of these news outlets, so I'm gonna try and find this video.

00:19:49.000 Oh, we have Reuters!

00:19:51.000 They have the video, I'm surprised.

00:19:53.000 I want to make sure I play this.

00:19:55.000 So, a meme shared by over 70,000 people.

00:19:58.000 Are they going to play the full video?

00:20:01.000 Oh, I can't play it.

00:20:01.000 Ooh, you can't.

00:20:02.000 Wait, hold on, here we go.

00:20:05.000 Okay, this is 50 minutes long.

00:20:07.000 I'll just have to try and find it.

00:20:08.000 Also, can I ask you, we obviously were just having a conversation on which political party people feel represents them.

00:20:15.000 Where do you land there?

00:20:16.000 Do you feel either party represents you?

00:20:19.000 No, I really don't.

00:20:20.000 I just feel very cynically about both.

00:20:23.000 I think the Democrats are wrong for obvious reasons, but then the Republicans are just kind of putting up a fake opposition to that and then siphoning off money from all their donors and then obviously not really putting up any resistance to it considering the last few decades.

00:20:39.000 Yeah, they both.

00:20:40.000 Democrats and Republicans do this.

00:20:41.000 It's all just part of the same machine.

00:20:43.000 It's just... Barack Obama I don't think so.

00:20:46.000 I have to fact check me on this one, but I'm pretty sure Barack Obama campaigned

00:20:49.000 on codifying Roe v. Wade once they had the presidency, the House, and the Senate.

00:20:54.000 And then once he gets elected, he's like, well, it's not a top concern for me,

00:20:57.000 so I'm not gonna do it.

00:20:58.000 We heard this from Marjorie Taylor Greene, that, I think it was Marjorie Taylor Greene

00:21:02.000 and Thomas Massey, that even the Republicans will be like, we don't really wanna ban Obamacare

00:21:07.000 because we need the wedge issue.

00:21:09.000 So they purposefully try, was that Thomas Massey, I think?

00:21:12.000 I don't think so.

00:21:13.000 I can't remember who it was.

00:21:13.000 I don't know.

00:21:14.000 Oh, no, no, no, no, it was the other guy.

00:21:16.000 It was the other Freedom Caucus guy we had on.

00:21:17.000 What was his name?

00:21:19.000 Older guy?

00:21:19.000 Freedom Caucus?

00:21:20.000 Anyway, he was saying that they go to him and they're like, we have the vote to end Obamacare, but don't do it because we need to rally up our base.

00:21:28.000 You know, we don't want to lose the issue.

00:21:30.000 I'm going to play this for you from Vox.

00:21:32.000 All right, let's listen to this.

00:21:33.000 There was a very contentious committee hearing yesterday when Fairfax County Delegate Kathy Tran made her case for lifting restrictions on third trimester abortions as well as other restrictions now in place.

00:21:44.000 And she was pressed by a Republican delegate about whether her bill would permit an abortion, even as a woman is essentially dilating, ready to give birth.

00:21:53.000 And she answered that it would permit an abortion at that stage of labor. 0.56

00:21:59.000 Do you support her measure?

00:22:00.000 And explain her answer.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, you know, I wasn't there, Julie, and I certainly can't speak for Delegate Tran, but I would tell you, one, first thing I would say, this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, And the mothers and fathers that are involved.

00:22:24.000 There are, you know, when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way.

00:22:37.000 And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that's non-viable.

00:22:44.000 So, in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen.

00:22:50.000 The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated, if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

00:23:04.000 So, I think this was really blown out of proportion, but again, He said it would be resuscitated, and then a discussion would happen.

00:23:19.000 In the context of an abortion, it sounds a lot like, to me, like he was saying a living baby would be kept comfortable and resuscitated, and then we discuss whether we kill it.

00:23:30.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:23:31.000 Maybe I'm crazy about that. Well, maybe I should that's that is the most straightforward reading of what he just

00:23:35.000 said and also when he Talks wait. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just I just

00:23:38.000 Even outside of that psychotic context. Yeah, the woman asking the question is talking about 0.67

00:23:45.000 third trimester abortions Where the baby the woman is dilating and the baby is about 1.00

00:23:51.000 to be born and there would be no restrictions And he's like, yeah, right. Okay. Well, you see the thing

00:23:57.000 is stop right there that in and of itself to me Is just beyond psychosis. Yeah, he gave the most I'm not a

00:24:04.000 biologist answer ever to that question He's like, well, yeah, it's between the doctor and the

00:24:08.000 woman. It's like what killing a baby He mentioned deformities and non-viability.

00:24:13.000 Non-viability, I imagine, means that the baby's not going to survive.

00:24:16.000 Is that what that means?

00:24:17.000 But then why would you kill it?

00:24:18.000 So, deformities. 0.94

00:24:19.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:24:19.000 Deformities.

00:24:21.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:24:23.000 You're lost in his manipulation.

00:24:24.000 Well, I'm just trying to point out what he said.

00:24:26.000 The law is not about aborting deformed babies.

00:24:29.000 That's why I'm bringing that up.

00:24:30.000 Because he specifically said it's about, or at least he thinks it's about deformities and non-viability.

00:24:35.000 So if a deformed child is born, I just don't see why that would be a reason of whether or not you could kill it. 1.00

00:24:44.000 Either kill it or don't, but don't, it's not about like, I mean, I guess if the deformity is so horrific, like it's born with one lung, doesn't have a kidney.

00:24:51.000 Helena, as somebody who doesn't have a very strong opinion, based on what you just heard, what do you think?

00:24:57.000 I mean, I think that's, it's obviously very wrong to kill a living baby.

00:25:02.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:25:03.000 And I think like a lot of people, they'll argue that this is just, it's an extreme version of like a pro-choice stance.

00:25:09.000 But most women who are getting abortions like aren't, you know, killing their living babies. 1.00

00:25:14.000 But then I think to myself, Well, then what does it say about someone like him, even if he does have that more moderate stance on abortion for, I guess, normal women, what does it say about his logic and his reasoning?

00:25:27.000 More moderate?

00:25:28.000 Well, I mean, I don't know.

00:25:30.000 It's like people will say, I'm not saying that he's moderate.

00:25:33.000 And again, I don't agree.

00:25:34.000 Like I'm against abortion in all cases, but I believe what she's saying is he he's representing up arguably the more common position on abortion, but then he's also representing this very uncommon.

00:25:46.000 Yeah.

00:25:46.000 And people say that this isn't a representation of like the average pro-choice person, but if the average pro-choice person would defend this, what does that say about like their, their ideology in general?

00:25:57.000 Yeah, that's a very good point.

00:25:58.000 Well, I mean, he was the governor at the time.

00:26:00.000 Well, and shouldn't, if this didn't represent pro-choice, or shouldn't they be out there decrying it?

00:26:04.000 How could you say this?

00:26:05.000 How could you make our movement look so horrible by smearing us in this way?

00:26:08.000 He really, that was word salad, what he put out there.

00:26:10.000 Like, I didn't even catch the deformity part until today, and I've heard him say that before.

00:26:15.000 And that's, that's like, that's why people probably aren't speaking about it, because they don't understand what he said.

00:26:20.000 Reuters, like, missing context.

00:26:22.000 I'm like, dude, we all heard what he said, man.

00:26:25.000 I love how that is just such a magic phrase.

00:26:27.000 You can slap that on everything.

00:26:28.000 Partly false.

00:26:30.000 Partly false.

00:26:32.000 Northam was not supporting infanticide.

00:26:34.000 Yo, he literally said the baby would be resuscitated and the discussion would ensue in the context of abortion.

00:26:39.000 What could he have been talking about?

00:26:40.000 What are they going to discuss?

00:26:41.000 It's gender? 0.99

00:26:42.000 Why didn't he say outright?

00:26:44.000 I think that if a woman is dilating, you should not be able to kill the baby at that point.

00:26:49.000 Is it hard to say?

00:26:51.000 It's just insane to me.

00:26:52.000 It's hard for him to say though, but I think part of why it's hard for him to say is because he knows that the radical left has an immense amount of power in the Democratic Party, he's a coward who doesn't want to stand for human life, and He's aware that he will destroy his career as a member of the Democratic Party if he says anything about any kind of abortion. 0.68

00:27:06.000 Also, I think he honestly supports the activity of killing a fully developed human baby that is just born that has a deformity, like a serious deformity.

00:27:18.000 It could be true as well, yeah.

00:27:18.000 I mean, that's certainly what he said.

00:27:20.000 That's absolutely what he said, yeah.

00:27:22.000 Yeah.

00:27:23.000 I mean, you really gotta strip apart deformity, because you could have, like, your finger could be bent, and that you're considered deformed as a child because one finger is bent.

00:27:30.000 Like, that's not a reason to abort a kid.

00:27:33.000 Well, and I agree with what you said earlier, that there is, I mean, whether someone is deformed or not, that's not a reason to kill somebody.

00:27:38.000 Some deformities are so horrific that you might actually save the child from suffering.

00:27:42.000 I know, it's an extreme example, but like, you know, severe brain damage.

00:27:47.000 I don't know, man.

00:27:48.000 But then you ask that severely brain damaged person when they're 30 or 40, like, are you glad you're alive?

00:27:53.000 But like, what kind of Destruction or they got not not destruction overt destruction, but what kind of like, you know sucking away of resources are Severely deformed people on society. 0.97

00:28:05.000 I want to say deformed It's a very vague statement because it's not about like autism that I'm not talking about that kind of thing Even if I don't even think that as a deformable, can I just want to mention one thing?

00:28:14.000 Because this is obviously a much bigger discussion.

00:28:16.000 I just want to sort of say this to think about you mentioned them consuming resources, but what if it's the case that Resources are there for humans and not the other way around.

00:28:29.000 The purpose of resource... That's very, um, homo-superior. 1.00

00:28:33.000 I don't like it.

00:28:34.000 I don't think that things are here for us.

00:28:35.000 I think we just happen to be here and at the top of the food chain.

00:28:38.000 But if we're talking about resources, like what if it is the case that human life is intrinsically valuable and the reason resources are valuable is because they help us, they help keep us alive, so to say, it's better off if this person is dead because that'll conserve resources is self-defeating because the purpose of the resource is to keep a person alive.

00:28:55.000 Only because if people have unlimited food, they grow exponentially and overcrowd and destroy the system that they're like the deer population overeats, you know, and so there's this built in kind of like starvation method into humanity that keeps us from overgrowing almost, it seems like.

00:29:09.000 I think we need to poll the audience.

00:29:11.000 If you disagree with Ian, hit the like button.

00:29:15.000 And if you agree with Seamus, hit the like button.

00:29:17.000 Yes.

00:29:17.000 Then we'll know.

00:29:18.000 Smash that like button.

00:29:20.000 I think the problem with that is that's Malthusianism, right? 0.86

00:29:23.000 And that thinking has been debunked by basically all of the historical analyses.

00:29:27.000 So as the world population has increased, poverty and global poverty has decreased significantly.

00:29:32.000 As more people have existed, there's been less poverty.

00:29:36.000 There have been more resources.

00:29:37.000 Getting a little wide on the conversation.

00:29:38.000 I'll just make one more point before we move on.

00:29:41.000 One of the deformities that people refer to is, or one of the, we'll call it issues, that the left often refers to as to why abortions should be allowed is Down syndrome.

00:29:52.000 And there was a, there's a very famous video of a man with Down syndrome, I think he's testifying before Congress, right?

00:29:58.000 Saying that they would have me killed.

00:30:00.000 Why?

00:30:00.000 It's like these people are alive, they're functioning, they are functioning human beings.

00:30:04.000 But it's just, because the traits they have are undesirable, people want them terminated before they could be alive.

00:30:10.000 But the people who are alive are happy people.

00:30:12.000 I get it, that like, humans are, we want to be more than animals, but we're animals.

00:30:18.000 And we're just smart animals.

00:30:19.000 And like, animals will destroy their young if they're not healthy, often.

00:30:23.000 Other non-human animals like it's just they're gonna hoard hold back the pack You can't you can't risk everyone else's existence because of one small feeble child, but they'll destroy it at birth You know But our society is not crumbling because we're allowing disabled people to live our Society's crumbling because we don't care enough for one another and we view other human beings as objects in that way I think it's crumbling I mean, I guess it's just a way of looking at it. 1.00

00:30:43.000 I think the society's thriving for the most part.

00:30:45.000 I mean, there's a lot of tremendous victories that the pro-liberty or right, whatever you want to call it, has achieved recently.

00:30:53.000 Like Elon Musk buying Twitter.

00:30:55.000 But I think the leak of the Roe v. Wade initial draft shows, for the first time in history this happened, like, yeah, our institutions are basically on fire.

00:31:03.000 20th century institutions, man.

00:31:05.000 There's 18th century institutions that we're using.

00:31:07.000 It's time to pull up this story.

00:31:09.000 In a tweet from Steven Marsh, we've had on the show, he says, honestly guys, when a marriage gets like this, you sit the kids down and tell them it's over.

00:31:17.000 And you figure out how to separate with as little pain and suffering as possible.

00:31:22.000 He links to his article from The Guardian, in which he makes a very important point.

00:31:27.000 He writes, Civil wars don't always begin with gunfire.

00:31:31.000 Sometimes civil wars begin with learned arguments. In April 1861, Confederate forces shot on Fort

00:31:36.000 Sumter. But at the time, even Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president, had doubts about whether

00:31:41.000 the event mattered all that much.

00:31:43.000 It was, he claimed, quote, either the beginning of a fearful war or the end of a political contest.

00:31:50.000 He could not say which. During the decades that preceded the assault on Fort Sumter,

00:31:54.000 complex legal and political fissures had been working their way through the United States,

00:31:58.000 slowly rendering the country ungovernable and opening the path to mass violence.

00:32:02.000 Yo, I just got to say that a civil war is coming.

00:32:06.000 From Fox News, liberals call for revolution in response to leaked SCOTUS Roe v. Wade opinion.

00:32:12.000 It's not just liberals.

00:32:13.000 There's one guy.

00:32:14.000 He's running for AG in Florida.

00:32:16.000 I believe that's who this guy is.

00:32:18.000 It's time for a revolution.

00:32:20.000 These are blue check verified Twitter users taking donations through ActBlue advocating for insurrection.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, I'll hold my breath and waiting for the May 2nd commission.

00:32:33.000 So I also want to give one quick shout out to this tweet from Madison Cawthorn who said, Because if you went 10 years into the past and started telling people that, they would call in a 5150.

00:32:49.000 Which, for those that aren't familiar, is involuntary commitment to a hospital for mental issues.

00:32:55.000 DONALD TRUMP!

00:32:56.000 He's gonna be president and then Roe v. Wade is gonna be overturned!

00:32:59.000 They're like, okay, dude, calm down.

00:33:01.000 I think you're losing it.

00:33:02.000 That's not gonna happen.

00:33:03.000 And then it did!

00:33:04.000 And here we are, and it's quite amazing.

00:33:07.000 But now we have this story from Fox.

00:33:08.000 Check this out.

00:33:09.000 We have other people.

00:33:10.000 Maria Shriver saying, say you want a revolution?

00:33:12.000 Well, you have one here right now.

00:33:14.000 This person says, waking up to another right for my body being threatened in 2022.

00:33:19.000 If they want a revolution, they are going to get one.

00:33:21.000 It's not a revolution.

00:33:22.000 It's a civil war.

00:33:24.000 The Republican position right now is red states get to choose whether they have abortions or not, and so do blue states.

00:33:30.000 The Democrat position is the entire country should have to allow abortion.

00:33:35.000 One is absolutist.

00:33:36.000 One is a compromise.

00:33:37.000 I'll say it again.

00:33:38.000 The Republicans are compromising.

00:33:40.000 Blue states are allowed to have abortions. 0.76

00:33:41.000 Red states don't.

00:33:42.000 And the Democrats are saying, no, we don't care.

00:33:44.000 You have to have abortions. 1.00

00:33:46.000 Okay, that's not a revolution when you come out and you say, we're going to force you to have these laws.

00:33:51.000 That's called a civil war.

00:33:53.000 That is not a moral statement about who is right or wrong.

00:33:55.000 It is a fact statement about what a civil war is.

00:33:57.000 So, hey, civil war guys?

00:33:58.000 No, if there is one, it's going to be global.

00:34:00.000 That's the problem.

00:34:01.000 And the U.S.

00:34:02.000 is going to get beat like a young, I'm not going deeper on that. 1.00

00:34:05.000 And it'll be, corporations will be involved as well.

00:34:08.000 So no, not civil war.

00:34:10.000 I think, When we're talking about why people want the federal government to preserve abortion rights, is because if you're in a red state, or you say you're in a blue state, and then Roe v. Wade gets overturned, and your governor's like, don't worry, you can still be here, you set up a family, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people move there, they live there, they have lives, they have businesses, they set up families, then a new governor gets in and is like, nah, you can't have abortions here anymore.

00:34:33.000 Why would one person get to make that decision?

00:34:36.000 That's why it's federally instantiated, I believe.

00:34:38.000 But then why would one person get to make the decision to allow it?

00:34:41.000 That's another question, because they're making a decision to allow all of those unborn children to die. 0.76

00:34:44.000 Well, this is funny.

00:34:45.000 The people, the left keeps saying men should not be regulating women's bodies, and then everyone keeps posting a picture of the Supreme Court in 1973, which is all men.

00:34:52.000 Well, and also our, you know, the, um, oh my gosh, I'm blanking on her name.

00:34:57.000 She was just, uh, nominated by Biden for- Katonji.

00:35:00.000 Yes, that's right.

00:35:01.000 She could not answer the question of what a woman is. 1.00

00:35:02.000 So what are they saying when they're talking about men regulating women's bodies?

00:35:05.000 I just, this is the point, you know, with the first story about the horse medicine for abortion.

00:35:09.000 It's like, dude, they're saying, there's a guy, a picture of a guy out in front of the Supreme Court or whatever holding a sign saying, men should not be regulating women's bodies.

00:35:18.000 Or it was something like, it was something about like men, oh no, I know what it said.

00:35:24.000 It said, if men could get pregnant, then abortion would be enshrined or whatever.

00:35:30.000 And it's like, okay, hold on.

00:35:31.000 I'm confused now because y'all are telling me that men can get pregnant for a long time.

00:35:34.000 Yeah.

00:35:35.000 Now you're telling me that they can't.

00:35:36.000 So this is like an affront.

00:35:38.000 I'm just confused at this point.

00:35:40.000 I think this conflict is going to be really interesting because it's not liberal versus conservative.

00:35:47.000 It is cult.

00:35:51.000 Amoral versus logic, I guess.

00:35:56.000 That's one way to put it.

00:35:57.000 Oh no, I would just like to ask you.

00:36:01.000 You.

00:36:03.000 I'm not sure which social circles you're running in now.

00:36:06.000 I'm sure they've changed since you've de-transitioned, but I'm sort of curious what the people around you have to say about all this.

00:36:11.000 And also, not to put you two on the spot, but the prospect of a civil war in your opinion.

00:36:16.000 You're 23, tell us.

00:36:17.000 He's like, do you think, which side will you be on?

00:36:19.000 No, but I am curious about how the people around you have been responding to this.

00:36:22.000 That's part of why I'm so conflicted because I do, I guess, talk to a lot of women who I do highly respect.

00:36:29.000 I think they're intelligent.

00:36:30.000 I think that they are moral people.

00:36:32.000 They're not, you know, some of these crazy people that you see in the most extreme cases.

00:36:37.000 And they really, really, really care about abortion.

00:36:40.000 And obviously, you know, abortion being as accessible as possible.

00:36:43.000 And then I'm just kind of sitting there thinking, like, well, A, I don't feel that strongly about it.

00:36:48.000 Something about it makes me very uncomfortable.

00:36:51.000 And, you know, I get confused thinking about all of these different, like, extreme possibilities of what could happen because I'm still just trying to, like, slow down and think about, OK, well, is it a human life or not?

00:37:03.000 And I don't see the argument for why it's not a human life.

00:37:07.000 And then if it is a human life, I have an important question.

00:37:17.000 In your life experience, going through transition and detransition, do you feel that you were lied to by elements of the left?

00:37:24.000 Yes, absolutely, and I'm highly skeptical of that.

00:37:27.000 And even when that Ralph Northam guy says, oh, it's between a woman and her doctor, I hear that exact same thing said about the trans kids.

00:37:35.000 It's about the kids and their doctor. 0.98

00:37:37.000 And I know that sets off alarm bells in my head that, like, this person's a liar.

00:37:42.000 And so that's basically my follow-up question, is do you think that they may be lying to you about abortion?

00:37:46.000 Absolutely.

00:37:47.000 I know for a fact that they are.

00:37:49.000 This is the big issue that I personally face because, you know, I mean, traditionally liberal my whole life, but now the problem is, ooh, I love doing this, you ready?

00:38:01.000 Trayvon Martin's story was a lie.

00:38:03.000 Jussie Smollett was a lie.

00:38:04.000 Covington Kids was a lie. 0.59

00:38:05.000 Kyle Rittenhouse was a lie.

00:38:06.000 Russiagate was a lie.

00:38:08.000 Ukrainegate was a lie. 0.91

00:38:09.000 Ahmed Arbery's story was a lie.

00:38:10.000 Come on, guys.

00:38:11.000 What else?

00:38:11.000 COVID.

00:38:11.000 I don't have it.

00:38:13.000 The ghost of Kiev.

00:38:14.000 That was a lie.

00:38:15.000 That's right.

00:38:16.000 Also a lie.

00:38:17.000 So all of these stories keep turning out to be false.

00:38:19.000 And then I'm supposed to believe anything these people say.

00:38:22.000 And I'm just like, dude, I don't know, man.

00:38:25.000 I just don't believe you.

00:38:27.000 I don't believe any of them.

00:38:28.000 It's a big propaganda machine.

00:38:29.000 No, no, hold on.

00:38:29.000 I'll say this.

00:38:30.000 I really don't respect or like Lindsey Graham or Mitch McConnell or Kevin McCarthy or any of the Republicans.

00:38:35.000 Exactly.

00:38:35.000 I don't think those people are honest either.

00:38:36.000 I don't think they're telling me the truth. 0.96

00:38:37.000 Like when they share their arguments, I'm like, you're a liar too.

00:38:40.000 So it's just, it's hard.

00:38:42.000 They don't want, I don't think the Republicans actually want abortion to be banned.

00:38:47.000 Because just like the Democrats, they need the wedge issue.

00:38:50.000 I think for some number of them, they recognize that to some percentage of the population, they would kind of become politically irrelevant if abortion was illegal.

00:38:57.000 So some of them probably cynically exploit the issue.

00:38:59.000 But I am curious to ask you, when you were in the process of, I guess they would call it transitioning, was there anyone in your life who tried to warn you against it or tried to stop you from going down that path?

00:39:13.000 Um, the only person really would be my parents, but they, I just don't think they really knew how to handle it.

00:39:20.000 I mean, how does anyone know how to handle that?

00:39:22.000 Yeah.

00:39:22.000 Um, but yeah, they, they reacted very emotionally.

00:39:26.000 And I think that that just furthered the schism between us and just sent me, like it, it literally, you know, ruined our relationship for like a year.

00:39:34.000 We didn't even talk.

00:39:35.000 Um, so that was pretty much the only person, but everyone else, including at my school, it was all like, yeah, you're a boy.

00:39:41.000 Do you wish that there had been more people in your life at that time who would stand up for you and your dignity and protect you from that?

00:39:47.000 Definitely.

00:39:48.000 What was it?

00:39:48.000 Well, I think that you can be that voice for the unborn.

00:39:50.000 I think you recognize that it is a life and it does begin at conception and I think you could do a lot of good in protecting the innocent in a way that you weren't protected when you needed someone.

00:40:00.000 So I think everything a really big portion of his argument that is left out when it comes to the left.

00:40:05.000 One of the things I heard is what happens if the placenta breaks early on in the pregnancy and it's terminal for the baby and the woman Republicans wouldn't allow an abortion in the circumstance.

00:40:17.000 Shamus.

00:40:18.000 Yes.

00:40:18.000 If something like that happened... Wait, could you repeat the question?

00:40:21.000 So someone posted, it was like on Twitter, and they said, in the instance where a woman is like in a second trimester, and the platenta breaks, it's ruptured, and the baby and the mother will both die unless the baby is removed, they say Republicans would not allow that.

00:40:35.000 So, again, my answer is you perform whatever surgery is necessary to save the mother without the intent to kill the child or without directly harming the child, and if the child dies as an unfortunate side effect of that, that happens, but that's not the same as an abortion.

00:40:49.000 So I think that's an important semantic component that is overlooked.

00:40:53.000 That when at least you and Matt Walsh were describing it, you're talking about abortion as specifically and only the intentional act of killing the baby.

00:41:01.000 Yeah, when you go in there.

00:41:02.000 Now, I think there could be an argument to be made that someone could behave recklessly and kill a child and be morally culpable for that as well.

00:41:09.000 But yeah, an abortion is the direct intentional murder of an unborn child. 0.70

00:41:12.000 No, no, involuntary abortion, that's called miscarriage. 1.00

00:41:15.000 We're not talking about the dictionary.

00:41:16.000 We're talking about what is Seamus and Matt Walsh's intent in their language.

00:41:18.000 medical term that is sometimes used the spontaneous abortion is a medical that 0.99

00:41:22.000 sometimes you have to describe it we're not talking about we're not talking

00:41:24.000 about the dictionary we're talking about what is Seamus and Matt Walsh's intent

00:41:27.000 in their language okay so I can understand where he's coming from in

00:41:32.000 terms of law because I don't think it's reasonable If a woman is like, I have a medical issue with my pregnancy and we're both going to die, it does not make sense to me that a conservative would be like, well, then you have to. 0.91

00:41:43.000 No, that's why the woman has the right to carry a weapon, a second amendment to protect herself. 1.00

00:41:48.000 Well, no, the point I'm making is in talking with Seamus and Matt, as well as many other pro-life people, there's, I've not encountered a circumstance where a pro-lifer has said the woman and the baby should both die if they have to.

00:41:59.000 Yeah.

00:42:00.000 But I'm okay.

00:42:00.000 So if we're going to make, Abortion.

00:42:03.000 Does that include miscarriages?

00:42:05.000 Like involuntary abortions?

00:42:07.000 Or are they just talking about voluntary abortions?

00:42:08.000 Is it stroke murder?

00:42:10.000 If you use the CIA stroke gun, then maybe, but I don't know if it's an induced stroke. 0.80

00:42:15.000 I think this is a silly argument that I've heard quite a bit.

00:42:19.000 And it's just like, but what about a miscarriage? 0.74

00:42:20.000 And I'm like, yeah, sometimes people die.

00:42:22.000 You don't go to prison if you're like, a guy has a heart attack.

00:42:24.000 They don't go, well, time to arrest somebody.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 It's like, what is a voluntary or involuntary is what it comes down to.

00:42:30.000 And then there are people who opt to escape that, obviously, and make it seem involuntary.

00:42:35.000 I'd like to move over to a social component of the story.

00:42:38.000 I just want to mention one more thing.

00:42:38.000 I think there are instances where the left will... I have read petitions signed by literally hundreds of doctors that have said there's no such thing as a medically necessitated abortion.

00:42:47.000 There are instances where surgery might need to be performed that poses a risk to the life of the unborn child, but there's no such thing as an instance where you have to go in and you have to kill the child.

00:42:54.000 And this is important because what you're saying is You are not referring to the intentional act of killing the

00:43:00.000 baby for the sake of removing it. You're saying in the instance where a mother is 1.00

00:43:05.000 Has some medical issue the intention isn't to kill the baby, but the baby might die because of it

00:43:10.000 Yeah, were you always like anti-abortion growing up my whole life have been anti-abortion

00:43:15.000 In fact, there was a period of time in my late teens where I really didn't take my faith seriously.

00:43:19.000 And I think for all intents and purposes, I could probably be described as atheistic.

00:43:23.000 And at no point during that period in my life did I ever think it was okay to kill an unborn child.

00:43:28.000 I just couldn't wrap my head around that being acceptable.

00:43:30.000 Let me ask you this.

00:43:31.000 A woman is 20 weeks pregnant. 0.78

00:43:34.000 And something occurs where the doctor is like, if we do not terminate this pregnancy, the mother will die.

00:43:43.000 I want to be very careful about this because as I've said, I've read literature from doctors and I've spoken to doctors who have said that this kind of thing doesn't happen.

00:43:52.000 Again, there are instances where a surgery could pose a risk to the life of a newborn child.

00:43:58.000 Instead of trying to say, it doesn't happen so I can't answer it, let's just hypothetically I think I've laid out my principles, right?

00:44:05.000 If there is a surgery that will save the mother's life, but it poses a risk to the life of a child, and that surgery's the only thing... Absolute death. 0.71

00:44:12.000 Like, 20 weeks, you will die unless this pregnancy is ended right now.

00:44:17.000 Get a second opinion.

00:44:18.000 What would three doctors tell you that now?

00:44:20.000 Okay, great.

00:44:21.000 Three doctors all say, Yeah, the baby is killing you because of this medical issue.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, if it's the case that the mother will die, I think you save her and you also do everything you can to save the baby.

00:44:35.000 But not intentionally kill the baby in the process.

00:44:37.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:44:38.000 So you still do everything you can to save the baby and the mother.

00:44:40.000 What if the surgery is much safer if you kill the baby and remove it as opposed to a much more risky procedure where you can try and preserve the baby and maybe the woman will live? 0.94

00:44:49.000 Uh, again, I mean, we're getting so- That just doesn't exist.

00:44:52.000 In my opinion, I say you destroy the fetus to give the woman the best chance of survival. 1.00

00:44:52.000 That just doesn't exist. 1.00

00:44:56.000 But that doesn't- I mean, that scenario doesn't exist.

00:44:57.000 I think somebody's- That's like, what if you have to shoot a five-year-old- Somebody's power cable is on there.

00:45:00.000 Oh man, yeah, it could be mine.

00:45:01.000 Seamus.

00:45:02.000 Seamus, I was- Seamus!

00:45:04.000 Was it Seamus?

00:45:04.000 Yeah, it's always my power cable.

00:45:06.000 I would be more comfortable erring on the side of do whatever the most likely thing for the mother of survival, whether that means, if it means that she's got a 10% chance less if you go for the... You know what's funny though?

00:45:18.000 How many stories have you heard where a mother who has cancer forgoes chemo to save the life of her baby?

00:45:24.000 It has happened.

00:45:24.000 I haven't heard of that for a while.

00:45:26.000 It happens a lot.

00:45:27.000 It was a really famous story.

00:45:29.000 That was only, I think, a year ago, where a woman raised a bunch of money.

00:45:31.000 She said she had cancer, and they said, you need to go on chemo now or you'll die.

00:45:35.000 It'll also kill your baby. 0.98

00:45:37.000 And she was like, nope, baby lives. 1.00

00:45:39.000 I'll die.

00:45:39.000 I always hate that when doctors are like, if you don't do this, then this.

00:45:43.000 You're like, dude, what kind of authority do you think you are?

00:45:45.000 Yeah, you went to med school.

00:45:46.000 Good job.

00:45:47.000 Well, I mean, you can choose to trust your doctor or whatever.

00:45:50.000 If you don't eat this, you'll die.

00:45:51.000 Let's jump over to the social components here, because we got some funny stuff to talk about.

00:45:54.000 In this Reddit post from 2xChromosomes, which is transphobic, by the way.

00:45:59.000 They write, just cancelled a first date this week because I can't emotionally handle more

00:45:59.000 Very transphobic.

00:46:03.000 men in my life after all of this.

00:46:06.000 After the SCOTUS news, the idea of having to laugh at some dude's jokes and listen to 0.99

00:46:10.000 him ramble on about his life, and possibly kiss and have sex with him, knowing he has 0.97

00:46:14.000 all the rights in the world and I don't, I just can't.

00:46:18.000 I don't have the emotional energy to even fake a smile.

00:46:20.000 I don't know when I will.

00:46:22.000 This was one of the highest rated posts on the 2xChromosomes subreddit.

00:46:29.000 And, um, yo, this is some kind of borderline or... That's insane.

00:46:34.000 Histrionics?

00:46:35.000 Well, actually, let's ask both of the ladies in the room. 1.00

00:46:37.000 Do you ever feel like guys are walking around like, I have all of these rights!

00:46:41.000 I laugh at you!

00:46:42.000 And your subjugation!

00:46:44.000 What is this?

00:46:44.000 Do you ever feel this way as women that men are walking around going...

00:46:48.000 I just don't understand how the man has the right to have an abortion when men don't get pregnant. 0.97

00:46:54.000 Well, hold on, wait.

00:46:55.000 Wait, men?

00:46:56.000 But hold on, I was told men can get pregnant and can get an abortion.

00:46:58.000 That's true.

00:46:59.000 This is really interesting.

00:46:59.000 That's very true.

00:47:00.000 Two X chromosomes has a pride flag right here in the subreddit.

00:47:05.000 You can see when you pull it up.

00:47:06.000 So you can see right here they have the pride flag as like part of the colors.

00:47:11.000 But they're saying more men in my life have all the rights.

00:47:15.000 But what about a pregnant man? 0.99

00:47:16.000 A pregnant man would not have the right to an abortion. 0.94

00:47:18.000 That's right.

00:47:18.000 By their logic and standards.

00:47:21.000 I don't think they have any logic!

00:47:23.000 No, they don't.

00:47:23.000 I think it is just, it's like, you know what I call it?

00:47:25.000 It's fire.

00:47:26.000 It's chaotic, it expands, and it consumes.

00:47:32.000 It's this fear and propaganda that just is making people crazy.

00:47:36.000 Like I genuinely just... I don't feel this strongly about it because I don't feel that pregnancy would be the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to me that would end my life and so I need to like have this much fear that controls me about it.

00:47:48.000 If you hear that states you don't live in may restrict abortion in a few months and then you look at some random man and you're like, I just can't!

00:47:59.000 You! 0.99

00:48:00.000 You and your...

00:48:01.000 RIGHTS! 0.94

00:48:02.000 GET OUT OF MY SIGHT! 0.94

00:48:03.000 It's just, you're, you've lost it.

00:48:06.000 Yeah, completely.

00:48:07.000 Something is wrong.

00:48:08.000 It's absurd.

00:48:09.000 Well, it's also, again, men, it's not as if men have the right to go.

00:48:12.000 I mean, I guess the male abortion doctors do, but I think, you know, they should be stripped of that right as well.

00:48:16.000 Now they don't, right?

00:48:17.000 Once abortion is illegal. 0.53

00:48:18.000 So I have no idea what they're talking about.

00:48:20.000 Can we give a collective shout out to all of the women who do this every time? 1.00

00:48:23.000 They say, it's time to stop having sex with men. 0.99

00:48:26.000 Ha! 0.97

00:48:26.000 And that's Lissa Strada, that's the play. 0.97

00:48:28.000 But they're thinking, they think that it's like some punishment,

00:48:31.000 and all the conservatives are like, based.

00:48:33.000 Yeah, I know.

00:48:34.000 It's like, I'm not, you know what, you know what? 0.95

00:48:36.000 Because of these far-right conservatives, I'm just, I'm not gonna have sex with a man until our values are 0.55

00:48:41.000 similar enough to have a child together and he commits to me for life. 0.53

00:48:45.000 And it's like, yeah, that's good.

00:48:46.000 This was actually a post I saw. 0.96

00:48:48.000 It was a woman saying, ladies, it's time for a sex strike. 1.00

00:48:51.000 And it was like, explain to the men that it's too risky now. 0.98

00:48:54.000 That because they could get pregnant and that means having a baby, they can't risk having sex with a man. 0.99

00:49:00.000 And it's just like, that's the conservative argument.

00:49:02.000 Like you're literally making the conservative argument for like not having sex at a wedlock.

00:49:06.000 I think, but what you're ignoring, Tim, is they're actually talking about creating this institution where the woman only has sex with one man she trusts to raise a child with her in case she does get pregnant, and they're not allowed to leave each other.

00:49:19.000 So I think that's like a new, original, interesting idea.

00:49:21.000 Yo, you know what was one of the craziest things I was reading about?

00:49:24.000 That there were lesbians who became straight during COVID lockdown.

00:49:28.000 You don't see those stories?

00:49:30.000 There was one, it was like, I think maybe Vice published it, where it was a woman, she was like, I'm a lesbian, but I was quarantined with my roommate who's male, and we started dating, and like, hooking up.

00:49:38.000 And then she was like, she changed, like something... I don't know.

00:49:43.000 It's interesting, because in the same way that we are not allowed to acknowledge the existence of detransitioners, such as yourself, you're also not allowed to acknowledge the existence of people who no longer identify as homosexual. 0.99

00:49:55.000 Is this from Slate?

00:49:59.000 Yeah, my identity is less important than my intimacy.

00:50:01.000 Yes, it's from April 10th, 2020.

00:50:03.000 A quarantine fling with my roommate has me questioning my sexuality.

00:50:07.000 So I think this was... Yeah, it's like running her hands through his chest hair.

00:50:12.000 She hasn't hooked up with a man in three years, but then she got locked down with him and her identity didn't matter anymore. 0.98

00:50:16.000 And I'm like, it's a confusing article to me because sexuality and identity are different to these people.

00:50:21.000 I didn't know that.

00:50:22.000 I don't know how much that is like an actual lesbian turning straight because of the pandemic and how much of it is just like the queer ideology about what a lesbian actually is. 0.61

00:50:32.000 Like I think that there's a lot of people who are involved in these communities and they call themselves gay or they call themselves a lesbian but it's like they're thinking of it more from like a gender identity perspective as opposed to like actually growing up being like a homosexual person.

00:50:47.000 That's interesting.

00:50:48.000 So I would ask you, as someone who did detransition, do you, uh, like reject the idea of transgenderism altogether?

00:50:54.000 Or do you just believe that was something that didn't work for you?

00:50:56.000 Um, yeah, I, I reject the whole category of trans, trans people. 1.00

00:51:02.000 I don't think that that's a meaningful category.

00:51:04.000 Cause it's like, can we get a definition of that please?

00:51:07.000 What is a trans person and how is that different from a person who identifies as trans and then no longer identifies as trans?

00:51:13.000 Yeah.

00:51:13.000 And that's a very good point.

00:51:14.000 And not only do they not have a definition for that, but they've dispensed with important definitions for things like woman or man.

00:51:20.000 So it like causes the system to become incoherent.

00:51:22.000 But I'm curious as someone who, you know, spent, you said five years as transgender, what, what made you see that this was not legitimate?

00:51:33.000 We'll start from the beginning.

00:51:34.000 How did, how did you come to be trans and then how did you come to not be?

00:51:39.000 Yeah, so it wasn't like I just woke up one day and went from being myself to wanting to be a boy.

00:51:46.000 So growing up, I never, I wasn't like super masculine or anything.

00:51:51.000 I was never even really like a tomboy.

00:51:53.000 I feel like I had like a good even mix of like girl, typical boy, typical interests and stuff.

00:52:00.000 So it really started for me when I started using the internet a lot.

00:52:04.000 For me, it was Tumblr that I started using the most.

00:52:08.000 And on Tumblr, there is a strong emphasis on social justice ideology.

00:52:14.000 And so in order to participate in those communities, you have to adopt a lot of those beliefs.

00:52:19.000 So I kind of adopted those radical progressive beliefs about gender and race and everything, honestly.

00:52:26.000 And in that environment, it's highly encouraged to experiment with your gender identity.

00:52:32.000 You see all of these messages that are just like, oh, well, if you don't like your body, that's a sign that you're trans.

00:52:39.000 Or if you read certain kinds of fan fiction, that's a sign that you're trans.

00:52:43.000 And you should change your pronouns, you should cut your hair and just see how it feels. 0.66

00:52:48.000 And then every time you do that, you cut your hair to see how it feels, or you change your pronouns, then everybody comes and like lavishes positive attention on you.

00:52:55.000 So I think it was like, yeah, Yeah, but it's for me, in my case, I know that there are legitimate cases of grooming where adults actually, I mean, there are trans activists who brag about how many minors they've sent hormones to through the male. 0.61

00:53:12.000 So that definitely is a thing that happens.

00:53:14.000 But for me, it was mostly like just other teenagers who were going through, I don't know, loneliness, depression, eating disorders are also really common, who were just kind of all latching on to this idea that They were born in the wrong body or they're meant to be someone else and they can just discover that and then they can bring that into the real world.

00:53:34.000 That must feel very difficult to think that you are not actually yourself or you are not actually the person whose body that you occupy.

00:53:43.000 I would say it's very easy for someone who's disconnected from reality and doesn't have a lot of ties to like the real physical world like for context in my adolescence I was one of those kids who like I didn't really play any sports I didn't have a lot of friends in real life I mainly just kind of was online doing creative things like writing and doing art and talking to other people online so I think it's easy To get lost in, like, especially as a creative person, you can get lost in these ideas about who you are and what you can become.

00:54:17.000 Well, I just want to clarify.

00:54:18.000 By difficult, I don't necessarily mean it's difficult to pull off or do.

00:54:23.000 I'm saying it sounds like it would be painful, though, to feel as though you had not matched what you were meant to be.

00:54:28.000 If possible, I'm off base here.

00:54:30.000 Yeah, I think the feelings that brought me to search for that were painful.

00:54:35.000 So I was like, I had a ton of self-esteem issues.

00:54:39.000 I had depression and all this kind of stuff.

00:54:42.000 So that was incredibly painful.

00:54:43.000 But the idea that, you know, the source of all that pain was that I was meant to be another gender and that I can transition and it'll fix everything.

00:54:52.000 That wasn't painful.

00:54:53.000 Interesting.

00:54:54.000 Can I just ask, you mentioned, I just got asked that you mentioned fan fictions.

00:54:57.000 What were people saying that fan fiction said about your gender identity?

00:55:01.000 Yes.

00:55:02.000 So, um, one thing on Tumblr that is, uh, very, very popular, it's not fringe at all.

00:55:09.000 It's very popular is like male, male fan fictions, like gay fan fiction.

00:55:14.000 Um, and so people will say that, Oh, if you're a girl and you read gay fan fiction, that is like the number one sign that you're actually a boy inside.

00:55:23.000 Yeah.

00:55:23.000 How old were you when you first got into the Tumblr?

00:55:26.000 Thirteen.

00:55:27.000 Thirteen.

00:55:27.000 And so how did you come to change and move away from all of that?

00:55:33.000 So it actually took bringing that into the real world by, you know, actually trying to look like a boy and like act like a boy and be in like male spaces using the men's restroom.

00:55:44.000 I actually did that. 0.84

00:55:47.000 It was just like, holy crap, like this is not Right for me at all. 0.89

00:55:52.000 You were taking testosterone for a year and a half?

00:55:54.000 Yeah, I was taking testosterone for a year and a half and another part of it that made me really regret it and realize that it was a mistake is the fact that the testosterone had extremely negative effects on me.

00:56:05.000 Like what?

00:56:06.000 So for me it was mostly psychological.

00:56:08.000 I wasn't on it for long enough for it to have like any long-term physical effects, but just it really destabilized me.

00:56:16.000 And another piece of context is that the people who prescribed me it prescribed me four times the dosage that I should have started on.

00:56:25.000 And that's a whole other story we can get into if you want.

00:56:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:30.000 So basically I got my testosterone from Planned Parenthood and it was just one appointment.

00:56:36.000 I walk in.

00:56:37.000 They talked to me for like 20 minutes and then I sit down with a nurse practitioner and she says, okay, we're going to start you on like 25 milligrams. 0.56

00:56:45.000 And then I say to her, well, I think that I need more because my hips are big. 0.84

00:56:49.000 So I think I have extra estrogen and I'm going to need more testosterone to look like a boy.

00:56:54.000 And she did not push back on that whatsoever.

00:56:56.000 And she just asked me, like, okay, well, how high would you like to go?

00:57:00.000 And then I said, what's the highest we can do?

00:57:02.000 And she said, okay, we'll start you on 100 milligrams.

00:57:05.000 And then, yeah, I just got sent out the door.

00:57:07.000 Planned Parenthood.

00:57:09.000 They're bad people, it turns out.

00:57:09.000 Interesting.

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:12.000 Was there any physical nausea or anything?

00:57:15.000 Um, no.

00:57:16.000 Did you want to fight people?

00:57:18.000 Yes, that was the thing.

00:57:19.000 Like I literally was just completely transformed into like a different person.

00:57:24.000 Like, um, the way I describe it is like my, I stopped having a wide spectrum of emotion and instead of like, okay, something happens and it makes me feel abandoned.

00:57:36.000 So then I'm nervous.

00:57:37.000 So then I'm sad.

00:57:38.000 So then I cry.

00:57:38.000 I would just go straight from like point A to point I'm going to anger.

00:57:44.000 Now you know what it's like to be a guy!

00:57:48.000 Tim and I had a moment where we were like... It's like you're a dude and you're like working in the backyard and you're like trying to hammer a nail and then you hit the nail and the nail drops.

00:57:58.000 You get angry.

00:58:00.000 You're skateboarding trying to do a trick.

00:58:01.000 You miss.

00:58:02.000 It's angry.

00:58:03.000 You walk into the kitchen to get a sandwich.

00:58:04.000 There's no more roast beef.

00:58:06.000 He's punching things. 0.96

00:58:07.000 That, but imagine you're actually a neurotic 18 year old girl. 0.78

00:58:11.000 Oh, you had it all.

00:58:13.000 That's amazing.

00:58:14.000 Yeah, that's horrible.

00:58:15.000 There was a Simpsons joke about that where Ralph or something was taking... No, no, it was Martin.

00:58:20.000 He was like, they put me on testosterone!

00:58:22.000 You wanna fight?!

00:58:23.000 There was another really good bit.

00:58:25.000 It was a Halloween special and Bart's talking to these robots and they're like, you're a human.

00:58:28.000 What's it like to have feelings?

00:58:29.000 He's like, I said I'm a human, not a girl.

00:58:33.000 Helena, was there other chemicals than testosterone that they put on you or that you used or anything?

00:58:38.000 Oh, not that.

00:58:39.000 Well, I was on a bunch of psych meds, also, is the other thing.

00:58:42.000 Because the testosterone, very fun.

00:58:45.000 The rage attacks that it sent me into were so intense that I ended up actually hurting myself.

00:58:52.000 Wow.

00:58:52.000 Oh, man.

00:58:53.000 Yeah, so I had to be hospitalized twice for these reasons.

00:58:57.000 Rage!

00:58:58.000 Yeah.

00:58:59.000 Yeah.

00:58:59.000 Like it was like totally nothing that I was ever prepared for.

00:59:02.000 I don't even think it's normal for like men.

00:59:04.000 Like I think it was beyond what is normal.

00:59:07.000 Well, I mean, some people have anger problems, I guess.

00:59:10.000 But they put you on, I mean, your body isn't meant for that stuff, right?

00:59:14.000 Exactly.

00:59:14.000 Yeah.

00:59:15.000 My body's not meant for it.

00:59:16.000 And it was four times the dose I was supposed to be on.

00:59:18.000 I wonder if the aggressive trans movement that we're witnessing is part of a testosterone uptake. 0.88

00:59:24.000 Yes.

00:59:25.000 Literally, yes.

00:59:26.000 It's a bunch of people with endocrine disorders induced by the doctors and nurses that they're seeing to treat their gender dysphoria.

00:59:33.000 Explain more about that.

00:59:35.000 A lot of testosterone and they're getting aggression because of it.

00:59:37.000 A lot of testosterone and men who are on estrogen.

00:59:41.000 Your brain and your body is meant to work on the hormones that you are meant to produce.

00:59:47.000 You're not going to be a mentally or physically healthy person if you're taking a bunch of testosterone as a woman or a bunch of estrogen and suppressing your testosterone as a man. 0.80

00:59:54.000 And isn't it insane that not only is that a controversial thing to say nowadays, but that it's, it's not even just not commonsensical.

01:00:00.000 Like people are angry with us for pointing this out and they're angry with you for saying, Hey, like I actually did it.

01:00:06.000 It doesn't work.

01:00:07.000 So, so I tweeted this.

01:00:10.000 It's strange that if you oppose sex change surgery for minors, you're considered right wing.

01:00:15.000 Yeah.

01:00:16.000 Like, hands down. 0.99

01:00:17.000 And the two responses I got were people saying, you're a transphobe, or you're a liar that's 0.96

01:00:23.000 not happening.

01:00:25.000 And so it seems like there's probably a lot of people who align themselves with Democrats

01:00:28.000 on the left who don't realize what is happening, both with chemical intervention and surgical

01:00:33.000 intervention for minors.

01:00:35.000 I mean, a friend of mine, he goes by Billboard Chris on Twitter.

01:00:39.000 He does this thing where he goes out to various public spaces and he has conversations with people about this trans stuff.

01:00:46.000 And he was talking to this young woman about how kids are being sterilized, which is what happens if a child is put on puberty blockers and then cross-sex hormones, they will be sterilized.

01:00:55.000 That's not debatable.

01:00:56.000 Cross-sex hormones?

01:00:57.000 Cross-sex hormones.

01:00:58.000 That's not debatable.

01:00:59.000 They will be infertile.

01:01:00.000 They will be sterilized.

01:01:01.000 And this young woman who was so passionately arguing with him, she refused to believe that children were being sterilized.

01:01:09.000 She was like, that's not happening.

01:01:10.000 That's not happening.

01:01:11.000 It's like, no, it's happening to thousands of children in this country.

01:01:14.000 It's new technology.

01:01:15.000 I think what you were saying, it's important that we have the conversation.

01:01:18.000 People may get angry about stuff in general, but it's such a new technology, it's important that we open up the debate.

01:01:23.000 Well, we do have this from the Christian Post, which I'm sure the left will not be happy with, but NewsGuard has certified them at 74.5, which I must add is substantially higher than the Daily Beast.

01:01:36.000 And they say puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones do sterilize children, hospital consent docs show.

01:01:40.000 show.

01:01:41.000 And it could be interesting too to see their citation because I would imagine it's not

01:01:44.000 going to be coming from their own.

01:01:47.000 Formed consent documents from Children's Hospital Los Angeles, obtained by the California Family

01:01:51.000 Council revealed the hospital has also warned patients and parental guardians that drugs

01:01:55.000 do indeed yield infertility in those who undergo the experimental procedures.

01:02:01.000 So, the way that your body matures and you become fertile, you achieve sexual development, is because your sexual organs, whether they are testicles or ovaries, during the process of puberty, they receive the hormones that they're supposed to receive.

01:02:15.000 So testicles during puberty receive or make testosterone and that is what allows you to be a fertile male and it's the same for a woman with estrogen and progesterone and all that kind of stuff, the menstrual cycle.

01:02:27.000 If you suppress a child's puberty so that that never happens and then you put the wrong hormones into their body, their organs are never going to get what they need to develop to become a fertile adult.

01:02:38.000 It's irreversible?

01:02:39.000 Yes.

01:02:40.000 Wow.

01:02:40.000 I mean, once you miss that boat, right?

01:02:41.000 It's not like they can put you through puberty later on.

01:02:45.000 You don't develop, you don't develop.

01:02:46.000 I'm curious, speaking of giving this stuff to young people, how old were you when Planned Parenthood prescribed this?

01:02:53.000 So I was 18.

01:02:54.000 Okay, so you were of age.

01:02:55.000 Yeah, I was, I was.

01:02:56.000 But I also, I don't know how meaningful that distinction is because it's not like, oh, I'm 17 and you know I'm turning 18 tomorrow now I'm a child that deserves protection but then that next day on my birthday I no longer deserve any protection and anything I want to do to my body if I want to walk into a Planned Parenthood and get a hundred milligrams of testosterone there's nothing wrong with that Planned Parenthood for prescribing me that.

01:03:18.000 Well, it's also insane in any context that a doctor would say, well, you know, the patient who has never been on this medicine before, let's say it was a legitimate treatment, which it isn't.

01:03:26.000 But even if it was for a doctor to say, this patient who's never taken this medicine before is telling me they need more of it, so I'm going to give them more of it.

01:03:32.000 It was a nurse. 0.90

01:03:33.000 It wasn't even a doctor.

01:03:34.000 Or a nurse. 0.98

01:03:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:03:35.000 The nurse at the authority?

01:03:36.000 Nurse practitioner, yeah.

01:03:38.000 Nurse practitioner and he or she had the authority to up your dosage without a doctor present?

01:03:45.000 Yeah, and no blood work either.

01:03:46.000 That's another thing.

01:03:47.000 Wow.

01:03:48.000 And so what was the process of doing this?

01:03:50.000 I have all the records.

01:03:52.000 I can back all of this up.

01:03:53.000 In Planned Parenthood?

01:03:55.000 Yes. 0.98

01:03:56.000 They're the most evil organization on the planet. 0.94

01:03:58.000 Right for controversy, man. 0.94

01:03:59.000 Wow.

01:04:00.000 And most people don't even know.

01:04:01.000 And I want to ask you, what were the first parts of the process that really led up to the medical intervention?

01:04:08.000 I mean, did you have to see a therapist first?

01:04:10.000 What did you need to show the people at Planned Parenthood in order to be able to get this prescription?

01:04:13.000 I needed to show them $200 in cash.

01:04:16.000 Oh boy.

01:04:17.000 The profit.

01:04:18.000 So they wanted to see green pictures of dead presidents.

01:04:21.000 Yes.

01:04:21.000 And that was it.

01:04:21.000 That's all.

01:04:22.000 They didn't ask for any medical records.

01:04:24.000 They didn't ask for any information from a therapist or counselor or psychologist.

01:04:28.000 None of it.

01:04:29.000 Just money.

01:04:29.000 Give us the money, we'll give you this medication.

01:04:31.000 If you'd been 17, would they have needed your parents to come in or something?

01:04:34.000 In my state, yes.

01:04:37.000 But there are states, like for example, Oregon, it's 15.

01:04:40.000 You don't need parental consent to get any hormones or surgeries in Oregon at 15.

01:04:45.000 And I believe it's the same in California.

01:04:46.000 And there are several states that are like that.

01:04:48.000 Wasn't it like DC tried to make it so that if you are 11, you can get vaccinated without telling your parents?

01:04:52.000 Oh my gosh, that's unbelievable.

01:04:54.000 This is the crazy thing.

01:04:54.000 This is why we're seeing the thing in Florida, the parental rights and education bill.

01:04:58.000 Because parents have a right to know what's happening with their children.

01:05:01.000 And I'll ask you about this.

01:05:04.000 You followed the Parental Rights and Education Bill, I'm sure.

01:05:07.000 Lies, once again, from the left. 0.68

01:05:08.000 Absolutely.

01:05:09.000 It's just they do it all the time with everything.

01:05:12.000 The trans movement does this.

01:05:13.000 They attach everything to gay rights. 0.98

01:05:16.000 Because they understand that, you know, many, many, many more people support, you know, the idea that taking a gay person to some horrible conversion therapy camp is terrible.

01:05:28.000 Or, you know, most people, I think, would kind of not be super threatened about the idea of a teacher, I guess, explaining to a child why the other kid in their class has two fathers or something like that.

01:05:39.000 So they take those things that people, you know, accept and are not as controversial and they just smuggle in the gender ideology and the trans and kids with it.

01:05:48.000 There's a really funny meme where it was like at a grade school, one of my students came in and was explaining to the class how they had two moms and everyone starts clapping.

01:05:58.000 I saw this.

01:05:58.000 And then everyone was like cheering and celebrating.

01:06:00.000 His little Muslim kid.

01:06:01.000 But then it turned out it was a Muslim who had a polygamist father. 0.65

01:06:05.000 With two wives, yeah. 1.00

01:06:06.000 People were like clapping like it's so gender diverse.

01:06:10.000 But no, it was actually patriarchy.

01:06:12.000 Yeah, political memes posted it and they put the lib left over the two moms and the authoritarian right they put blue over it.

01:06:20.000 This whole conversation is really kind of reinforcing the psychological effect of the internet that it's having on kids.

01:06:26.000 Yes.

01:06:27.000 Would you let your kids use the internet?

01:06:29.000 What's your thoughts on that?

01:06:30.000 I don't know.

01:06:30.000 It's hard because I think at this point, like, you cannot close Pandora's box.

01:06:35.000 And I think that when I do have kids, that'll be something that I am navigating, and it'll be very difficult.

01:06:41.000 But I do think that, like, parents need to be so much more involved.

01:06:44.000 And, like, one analogy that I kind of make is, like, when your kid wants to go for a sleepover, a lot of parents would ask a lot of questions.

01:06:53.000 They would say, like, oh, well, who is this friend?

01:06:55.000 What's their parent's phone number?

01:06:57.000 Where do they live?

01:06:58.000 What do their parents do?

01:06:59.000 Maybe you might even want to meet the parents first or meet the kid first.

01:07:03.000 But when it's the internet, they're spending their time with thousands of strangers and you have no idea who they are.

01:07:08.000 That is a very good way of putting it.

01:07:09.000 Last night, I was thinking, like, today's cult leaders aren't the people on the ranch doing LSD with 30 other people and having group orgies.

01:07:15.000 It's the YouTubers.

01:07:16.000 They're the cult leaders.

01:07:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:18.000 Yes.

01:07:19.000 I want to show you what your kids are, uh, are watching.

01:07:22.000 So this has been removed from YouTube, but this was very prominent for several years.

01:07:27.000 And it's Nursery Rhymes 3D Animation PewDiePie Fighting Hitler.

01:07:31.000 Let me pull this other one that's, uh, I think, you know, a lot funnier.

01:07:34.000 It's The Hulk and Hitler. 0.89

01:07:36.000 And I think, I think Hitler in this one is in a bikini. 0.63

01:07:38.000 I'm not, I could be wrong.

01:07:39.000 I think the hit- How brave of her.

01:07:41.000 Oh no, it's actually them just fighting or whatever.

01:07:44.000 And let me see if I can play the sounds.

01:07:45.000 Whoa.

01:07:46.000 So wait, when did they colorize this?

01:07:54.000 Yeah, that wasn't Hitler's real voice.

01:07:56.000 Are you sure?

01:07:57.000 Wait, wait.

01:07:58.000 Okay, so I thought that was the right one, but it wasn't playing the thing that I thought it was gonna play.

01:08:03.000 Let me see.

01:08:03.000 Oh, there we go.

01:08:04.000 There we go.

01:08:05.000 I saw it for a second.

01:08:07.000 Look at this.

01:08:08.000 Look at this.

01:08:08.000 What is going on?

01:08:14.000 Butterfinger, Butterfinger, where are you?

01:08:18.000 Here I am, here I am, how do you do?

01:08:22.000 Butterfinger, Butterfinger, where are you?

01:08:26.000 Here I am, here I am, how do you do?

01:08:30.000 Butterfinger...

01:08:31.000 So there was this period where this thing called Elsagate was going on,

01:08:34.000 and this was a component of it, where algorithms were creating these videos automatically,

01:08:38.000 and then just auto-uploading them to YouTube, and parents would give their iPads to their babies,

01:08:43.000 and their babies, they would turn on nursery rhymes.

01:08:46.000 But then the YouTube algorithm would automatically load up this stuff with like Hitler doing Tai Chi. 0.76

01:08:51.000 And a lot worse.

01:08:52.000 A lot worse. 0.75

01:08:53.000 There was crazy stuff where it was like kids drinking piss.

01:08:56.000 Oh my gosh, I didn't know about that.

01:08:57.000 It was cartoons. 0.97

01:08:57.000 Pornography and gore. 0.97

01:09:00.000 I knew there were some that were like you had children's characters from beloved franchises basically telling kids to make bombs.

01:09:06.000 Just really crazy stuff.

01:09:08.000 Wasn't there a thing with Peppa Pig?

01:09:10.000 Where he like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:12.000 I'm pretty sure it was Peppa Pig, I could be wrong, but there were cartoons where it would auto-generate these videos, and the thumbnail would be like Peppa Pig drinking piss next to a urinal, and then the video would be him killing other Peppa Pigs and stuff like that.

01:09:24.000 Just really weird stuff that they would just make, because the babies can't change the channel. 0.99

01:09:30.000 The babies are just staring at it like, and like they're watching this crazy stuff. 0.98

01:09:33.000 Just being warped by this garbage. 0.99

01:09:35.000 That's so scary. 0.99

01:09:36.000 How old were you when you first saw porn on the internet?

01:09:39.000 I was actually pretty fortunate.

01:09:41.000 So my dad, he really tried to protect me and he like set a lot of like safety parental regulations on my computer.

01:09:49.000 So I got to avoid it until I was like 11 or 12.

01:09:52.000 Did you know it existed?

01:09:53.000 I thought you were gonna say like 15 or 16, 11 or 12.

01:09:56.000 Wow.

01:09:57.000 Did you know it was out there?

01:10:01.000 I can't really remember.

01:10:03.000 I remember I was on YouTube and it was like back when you could actually find porn on YouTube and I was like looking... You still can.

01:10:11.000 Oh really?

01:10:12.000 Yeah, it's just mad.

01:10:14.000 There's like what's in my butt challenge and it shows there's like a video of two guys just you know literally doing it. 0.95

01:10:20.000 Gross. 0.96

01:10:20.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:10:21.000 Yeah, I remember finding something and and it wasn't even anything like hardcore or anything, but I mean I was a child so I was pretty Concerned about it.

01:10:29.000 I didn't understand what was going on.

01:10:31.000 Yeah You're a little older I mean, but how old were you when you first saw porn on the internet?

01:10:38.000 I don't, I didn't, um, I, well actually when I was young I had a friend of mine, we were just out walking and he like pulled porn out of his wall and I was like, I'm not supposed to look at that stuff.

01:10:46.000 On a video?

01:10:47.000 No, no, he like, he literally had a physical crinkled up pornographic image that he had like in his wall and I was like, don't show me that.

01:10:54.000 Ian, you told me the story before that as soon as you were a teenager when the internet was discovered, you were the first person to put porn on the internet.

01:11:02.000 There's too many jokes to make right now that I will not make on the internet.

01:11:06.000 I saw like Playboy when I was like six or eight or something.

01:11:09.000 My friend had him, his dad had him in the basement.

01:11:12.000 I've been using computers for a really long time, but honestly my I think I was way older than you are, maybe 14.

01:11:20.000 So for me, a lot of the stuff I was doing online was like flash animation stuff.

01:11:24.000 I wasn't, like it never occurred to me to do those things.

01:11:26.000 Yeah, I was like 21-ish.

01:11:27.000 You know what, actually I did, I should mention, I think when I was like 15, I was using someone's computer and it had a virus and just pornographic images started popping up.

01:11:36.000 Yeah, there's a lot of pop-ups in general, just pop-ups of like, you know, Russian single hot ladies and then it's like pornographic.

01:11:45.000 Take the phones away from your kids. 0.89

01:11:47.000 CEOs of these big tech companies don't let their kids have access to the internet.

01:11:53.000 I mean, look, they'll let your kid have access to it.

01:11:56.000 That's why you have to protect them.

01:11:57.000 That's why you can't let them look at this stuff.

01:11:58.000 The first thing I thought when you mentioned Tumblr was, my goodness, it's so dangerous to allow kids to go on the internet because I think a lot of parents would not even know.

01:12:05.000 No, and that's exactly the problem.

01:12:06.000 They don't know because they don't make that connection where it's like, okay, the kid's staring at the phone, but what they're doing is they're communicating with other people.

01:12:13.000 Even if it's not a direct chat, when they're scrolling something, like they're getting messages from other people.

01:12:18.000 Those are other real people posting those things and that's what your child is consuming.

01:12:23.000 And I think a lot of parents, like they don't make that connection.

01:12:25.000 They just think, oh, like she's looking at pictures or something.

01:12:28.000 Let me pull up this story from Timcast.com.

01:12:30.000 Florida mother suing school that secretly discussed gender transition with her middle schooler.

01:12:35.000 Quote, this is happening all over the nation, she said.

01:12:39.000 A Florida school was sued after it helped a student transition gender without informing or seeking the consent of the teen's parents.

01:12:45.000 January Littlejohn, that's her name, said she was outraged when school officials at Deer Lake Middle School in Tallahassee secretly discussed gender and transgenderism with her daughter without her knowledge. 0.98

01:12:55.000 This is happening all over the nation.

01:12:57.000 This same protocol is in place in many, many schools across districts everywhere, and even the guides being used to dictate these transgender support plans that cut parents out even have the same language.

01:13:08.000 Little John said her then 13-year-old daughter was friends with a group of students who transitioned to the opposite gender, a group.

01:13:14.000 Her daughter reportedly expressed her own confusion over gender during the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

01:13:18.000 Little John later discovered the student's school had been developing a transgender support plan with a young teen in August of 2020.

01:13:26.000 Little John said she was told by the school she could not be involved because of a non-discrimination law.

01:13:31.000 She was also told by administrators that they could not disclose what had happened during their meetings with her child.

01:13:37.000 Eventually, we did see the Transgender Support Plan, which was a six-page document that they completed with my daughter, who was 13 at the time, behind closed doors, where they asked her questions that would have absolutely impacted her safety.

01:13:49.000 So this is why they passed the Parental Rights and Education Bill.

01:13:52.000 Because schools are withholding this information and parents have rights over their kids.

01:13:58.000 And this is like a tame example too.

01:14:00.000 If you go to, there's a really interesting substack.

01:14:03.000 It's called PITT Parents.

01:14:04.000 P-I-T-T Parents. 0.97

01:14:06.000 It stands for Parents With Inconvenient Truths About Transgenderism.

01:14:10.000 There's just like endless testimonies of these parents and the absolute hell that the schools put them through.

01:14:20.000 Where the schools kind of, they, it's extremely manipulative.

01:14:22.000 They triangulate with the child against the parents and it's just, It's horrific they'll get, you know, Child Protective Services involved.

01:14:30.000 I know parents who have had Child Protective Services called on them multiple times because they don't want to transition their 12-year-old girl who's been convinced that she's a boy at school.

01:14:39.000 That is disgusting.

01:14:40.000 It's horrific. 0.83

01:14:41.000 You mentioned in a previous segment just earlier that, you know, you're on Tumblr and they tell you things like, just experiment, like cut your hair, you know.

01:14:49.000 Yes.

01:14:49.000 And then when you do, they start praising you with praise.

01:14:53.000 There was a subreddit for detransitioners.

01:14:56.000 I don't know if you're familiar.

01:14:56.000 It's gone now.

01:14:58.000 I don't believe it's gone.

01:15:00.000 I believe that it's been down at certain times.

01:15:03.000 I mean, if it is gone, then... Well, there was one I remember a long time ago that I remember it disappeared.

01:15:07.000 Okay, that might have been the first one, because there is one I think that's still active right now.

01:15:10.000 I don't really browse it, so I'm not sure if it got banned recently or something.

01:15:13.000 There was also a website that's gone that was for detransitioners, and the point they were making was, if you go online and you're feeling these things, the only thing you will see is positive.

01:15:24.000 Yes.

01:15:25.000 You will see no negative elements, you will see no detransitioners, you will see nothing but it was the best thing I ever did. 0.89

01:15:33.000 When in reality, it's because the people who question it are getting banned, and the people who bring up these

01:15:37.000 conversations are getting banned as well.

01:15:39.000 Exactly, because the far left and big tech is doing everything within their power to erase the existence of

01:15:43.000 people like you.

01:15:44.000 And also, I mean, the trans community itself really does operate like a cult. 1.00

01:15:44.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:15:49.000 Like there's not just pure censorship.

01:15:52.000 There's all these social mechanisms involved that discourage people from listening to people like me. 1.00

01:15:58.000 I mean, just recently, a popular trans influencer was coming after me and just making videos about me, like completely misrepresenting me, demonizing me, like calling me a cunt and a bitch. 0.99

01:16:11.000 And like all sorts of, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that. 0.99

01:16:14.000 You said the worst one is love.

01:16:15.000 I'm sorry.

01:16:15.000 You said the truth.

01:16:18.000 I take it back.

01:16:19.000 I didn't mean it.

01:16:19.000 Well, no, but she said this about you.

01:16:21.000 She was not saying this about someone else.

01:16:22.000 All the advertisers accept your apology and they'll... Okay, I'm really... I'm kidding.

01:16:27.000 That's all right.

01:16:28.000 Let it out.

01:16:29.000 Yeah.

01:16:29.000 I'm sorry, NordVPN.

01:16:32.000 We have virtual shield.

01:16:34.000 Okay, I'm sorry.

01:16:35.000 I should know that.

01:16:35.000 Yeah.

01:16:36.000 No, they're cool.

01:16:36.000 I'm sorry.

01:16:37.000 Nobody really cares.

01:16:38.000 But yeah, I mean this person, biological male by the way, just like hurling horrible insults at me, completely demonizing me and it's just like all the followers just eat it up.

01:16:51.000 Instead of engaging with me on what I'm actually saying or maybe listening to like, maybe like she is telling the truth.

01:16:56.000 It just has to be, no she's lying, no she's being paid, no she's a shill. 0.87

01:17:00.000 Maybe this biological male is upset that you're actually a woman and they're jealous in some way.

01:17:05.000 This, what you're describing, can be extrapolated and expanded to a common occurrence between what we colloquially refer to as the left and the right.

01:17:15.000 Talk about taxes, talk about Ukraine, talk about anything and you're describing the exact phenomenon.

01:17:21.000 The left, as we call it, is the parent group that typically makes things up, demonizes, falsely represents, smears, and won't come on the show.

01:17:30.000 Yeah, don't tribalism make excuse for I don't I think these people for the most part are They're grifters, right?

01:17:38.000 that's they project on us, but I'll just I'll say right now look call whatever you want if We are inviting people on the show to come and explain their ideas and they won't do it It's because they don't have any ideas It's because all they are is a wad of emotional fire screaming into the wind.

01:17:55.000 And when you say, please explain, they don't have anything to explain.

01:17:58.000 It's like that comic where the guy's like, I'm angry.

01:17:58.000 They're just mad.

01:18:01.000 The other guy's like, here's a solution.

01:18:03.000 He's like, I don't want a solution.

01:18:03.000 And then he burns it.

01:18:04.000 I want to be angry.

01:18:05.000 And because they have to protect their followers from witnessing their ideas being challenged.

01:18:12.000 So, I'm also curious about the role the adults in your life played.

01:18:16.000 I know you mentioned that your parents tried to help you.

01:18:21.000 What happened with other adults?

01:18:22.000 Were there educators, administrators, parents, friends who were involved?

01:18:26.000 Yeah, so the only other adults that really played like a major feature in this whole situation was my school guidance counselor and my school psychologist, the therapist, and they were both very affirming to me.

01:18:39.000 So the school guidance counselor, I came and told her like, you know, my parents don't accept me for being trans, but I feel like if I don't transition I'm gonna kill myself, basically is what I said.

01:18:51.000 Did you feel that way at that time?

01:18:53.000 Yeah, I was really going through it.

01:18:55.000 I had a lot going on in my life, and I interpret it all as it's because I'm trans, but really the problems were much deeper.

01:19:03.000 It wasn't all about being born in the wrong body.

01:19:05.000 And I'm only asking not to accuse you of misleading at that time in your life.

01:19:08.000 I've just heard people say that they are told to say, like, I will kill myself if I'm not affirmed.

01:19:14.000 There is that, but you also do just kind of believe it.

01:19:18.000 Like, the thing about this is that, like, a lot of people who are drawn to this, like, they are drawn to something so drastic and so unhinged from reality because they're going through intense emotional pain.

01:19:29.000 And so, like, it really does feel to you that this is the only solution.

01:19:32.000 Like, this is the only possibility that you have is to, like, do this kind of crazy thing and transition and then maybe you'll have a chance at a happy life.

01:19:40.000 Did it help your psychology?

01:19:44.000 Did transitioning help me?

01:19:45.000 Yeah, stepping into that realm, did it help you?

01:19:47.000 No, no, it definitely just derailed my life.

01:19:51.000 I'm looking at Rachel Levine, I don't know if she's a trans woman, and she said that top Biden health official, that's Rachel, says trans youth being, quote, driven to depths of despair.

01:20:02.000 The way I look at it is that children are being driven to the depths of despair.

01:20:06.000 And so they're thinking there's something, like you were saying, you were experiencing depression at the age of 13. 0.99

01:20:11.000 Because the world is nuts and it's been exposed at how nuts it is with the propaganda ministry and all this crap. 0.82

01:20:17.000 I mean, there's lots of reasons to be depressed outside of your personal life. 0.97

01:20:20.000 I think that exposition is driving people insane, including kids.

01:20:24.000 That's a 20 brother.

01:20:26.000 And it's like it's again it's it's selection bias because a lot of the kids that are drawn to this are kids that already have deep emotional issues like for example I think there's statistics on like the California foster care system and like a hugely disproportionate amount of kids in the foster care system are identifying as trans and of course the law in California is like a trans them on the public dime.

01:20:48.000 But, yeah, so I think you have a lot of kids that they have trauma or, you know, autism is another big one.

01:20:56.000 Kids with autism really struggle when they're growing up.

01:20:59.000 You have these kids who, like, they're really going through some very deep struggles and they cling to this idea that they're really meant to be someone else and then all the adults tell them, yes, you're really meant to be someone else.

01:21:13.000 It creates a feeling of desperation.

01:21:15.000 And so Levine is kind of taking advantage of that for a political reason and without really exploring, you know, why are these kids so desperate?

01:21:25.000 If you have a score check real quick, the chat is saying, Ian, natural 20.

01:21:28.000 Natural 20, baby.

01:21:29.000 Let's confirm that critical.

01:21:30.000 You know, if you could go back to when you were 13, I rolled a 39 again.

01:21:34.000 No, no, that's a 63 upside down.

01:21:36.000 My bad.

01:21:38.000 It's alright, you already gave us a point.

01:21:39.000 It's a 39, final answer.

01:21:41.000 If you go back to when you were 13 and think like if something was different, if you had some sort of experience or outlet or something that could have helped, even remotely, what kind of stuff can you think of?

01:21:52.000 Um, I think it would have helped me a lot to have like, honestly, better relationships with the adults in my life.

01:22:01.000 I just didn't feel like I was really kind of like heard.

01:22:06.000 And yeah, I was just kind of allowed to like recede into this loneliness and isolation.

01:22:11.000 And I think that I, you know, I would have really benefited from some gentle help.

01:22:16.000 To, you know, help me kind of get out there and, like, make some real friends and stuff like that.

01:22:20.000 Being heard is a key element of a human stability.

01:22:24.000 Like, for parents to allow, even if the kid, they don't understand what the kid's saying, it's important, I think, to let the kid, listen to the kid.

01:22:29.000 Yeah, yeah, that's what I always tell parents because they, like, a lot of parents come to me, like, asking, like, how do I talk to my kid about this?

01:22:35.000 And it's like, yeah, your kid is gonna be saying a lot of, like, ideological mumbo-jumbo that you don't agree with, but, like, you have to kind of resist just focusing on that and arguing and just, like, Let them express themselves in the way that they know how.

01:22:49.000 So, I would like to ask you then, if you were speaking either to your own child or a child you were in some position of authority over, and they basically said this to you, that they felt that they were truly born in the wrong body, what is the approach?

01:23:03.000 What's the response?

01:23:04.000 I know you sort of outlined some general rules, but I'm curious what you would say to them.

01:23:09.000 So if I had a long-term like relationship with this person.

01:23:14.000 Yeah like this is your child.

01:23:15.000 Okay yeah if this is my child then yeah I would do my best to try to understand like their actual emotional experience because I think for me it was definitely a way of understanding my emotional experience but it wasn't correct.

01:23:30.000 It was all ideological and like I learned it online and all this kind of stuff.

01:23:33.000 But I was having real emotions under there so I think that what I would do in that situation as the adult is to try to connect with that young person on the things that are real like their authentic feelings and concerns and doubts and anxieties and like just like try to bring that out and make them feel supported in that and so they don't feel so desperate to like cling to these ideological beliefs.

01:23:57.000 I think that's a very good way of putting it.

01:24:00.000 One thing I find which is very insidious about these extremely effective far-left ideologies is they do a fantastic job of seizing onto actual trauma or actual pain that people have experienced and then attaching ideological language to it.

01:24:15.000 And then when anyone challenges that ideological language or stance, the person feels as if their trauma is being challenged.

01:24:23.000 Precisely, and that's why you hear like, you're denying my existence!

01:24:27.000 Because that's exactly the process that is happening.

01:24:29.000 All of the emotional baggage is being packaged up into this trans box, this gender identity box. 0.97

01:24:36.000 And then when you misgender that person, or when you argue about the trans ideology, it literally feels like you're taking that whole box full of everything important to that person and throwing it out.

01:24:47.000 Yo, this is the deepest conversation I've had in like six years, bro.

01:24:53.000 Can I ask you about your childhood?

01:24:57.000 What kind of family did you have?

01:24:58.000 Were you guys poor?

01:24:59.000 Were you rich?

01:25:01.000 I would say my family was upper middle class.

01:25:03.000 So my parents were both professionals.

01:25:05.000 And yeah, I grew up in a mostly similarly socioeconomic area with mostly, you know, Caucasian people.

01:25:15.000 I wonder, is this phenomenon happening in low-income areas?

01:25:18.000 It's interesting.

01:25:19.000 It happens a lot in suburban areas of all classes, I would say, from my experience, like the suburbia thing is a common denominator.

01:25:30.000 And then it also happens in kind of like the most disadvantaged kids, like the foster care kids.

01:25:34.000 Right.

01:25:35.000 I was just thinking, I wonder if there's a component to this of If the worst trauma you've experienced is based on things you're seeing on the internet versus, I don't know, like your house burning down or, you know, gangbangers shooting at you, then if someone comes to you and says, we don't respect your ideology, you'd be upset by that.

01:25:55.000 If you're someone who grew up in, you know, gang neighborhoods, super low income areas, drug dealers, people are being beaten, you've seen people get murdered.

01:26:02.000 I don't know how much you'd actually care about someone challenging your pronouns.

01:26:06.000 Yeah, I think that that is a part of it.

01:26:08.000 But I would kind of push back on the idea that these are kids who have never experienced any adversity.

01:26:13.000 So even if they come from a physically sheltered and provided for upbringing, I think that there is a huge common denominator between like, Various forms of kind of relational traumas or just unresolved adversities that they've been through, like divorce is a really big one.

01:26:33.000 I know that a lot of, you know, detransitioners, they've had, you know, parents who one of the parents was abusive or an alcoholic.

01:26:41.000 Maybe they weren't, you know, extremely poor or anything, but they had to, you know, grow up with like an addict in the house.

01:26:49.000 And for me, one of the things that was most personally impactful for me in my mental health issues growing up was a childhood grief that I had really never processed.

01:26:59.000 It was a major, major loss.

01:27:01.000 What do you think the next 20 years will look like with all of these kids who are transitioning? 1.00

01:27:07.000 Oh man, I'm really scared for a lot of people because you already see like people, I consider myself very lucky in that I didn't really have any long-term physical consequences but like I know people who had their breasts cut off when they were 16 or had their testicles cut off when they were 17 or 18.

01:27:29.000 And it's just like these people are really hurting, like it's extreme.

01:27:34.000 It's a lot to wrap your head around and deal with when you've been through that.

01:27:40.000 And then you have like all the little kids right now who are, you know, they're the ones going through the puberty blockers and they're being put on the cross-sex hormones.

01:27:47.000 They're going to be 22, 23, 24, 25, and they're going to have to, you know, start thinking back on their childhood and think like, how much was this really my decision?

01:27:57.000 And like, what are the consequences of this?

01:27:59.000 So I think there's going to be a lot to reckon with, with those people.

01:28:03.000 And I don't know if they will all be people who very clearly regret it.

01:28:06.000 Maybe they'll just be very psychologically disturbed.

01:28:10.000 I think parents have to tell their kids what to do.

01:28:13.000 I think there I've heard a lot of parents say things like you know

01:28:13.000 Yeah.

01:28:16.000 I want my kids to just you know do what they want to do like I want them to tell me and I'm like your

01:28:21.000 Kids don't know what they want to do man Yeah, like you need to you take your kid, and they're like

01:28:25.000 you got to be you got to be giving your kids something to do 1.00

01:28:27.000 As soon as they're born you should be showing them things You shouldn't be assuming that they're stupid. 1.00

01:28:34.000 Children, human babies, are not stupid. 1.00

01:28:37.000 They lack knowledge. 1.00

01:28:38.000 Children are not stupid. 1.00

01:28:39.000 They lack knowledge. 0.99

01:28:41.000 There are some stupid people, don't get me wrong, but children as a whole are as smart as anybody else, but they lack knowledge, and they lack certain developmental functions in the brain, like risk assessment, things like that, which is why they need parents to guide them, which means a seven-year-old doesn't understand why. 1.00

01:28:55.000 It would be great to learn French. 1.00

01:28:58.000 And you'll be like, trust me, the French lessons are gonna be awesome.

01:29:01.000 When these people grow up, you're learning another language, and they're in their late 20s, and they're like, oh, I speak two or three languages, wow, all of a sudden they have this valuable skill, it's easier to navigate the world.

01:29:11.000 Musical instruments, same issue.

01:29:13.000 I don't wanna do piano lessons.

01:29:15.000 Parents, if you've got kids who hate doing the piano lesson, it's because you need to get them to hang out with other kids who play music too, so they can be with their peers.

01:29:24.000 But then when those kids are older and they're really good at an instrument, they're going to be so grateful they can do it.

01:29:28.000 The problem is I think parents are just like, tell me what you want, we'll do it.

01:29:32.000 Well, kids don't know what they want.

01:29:32.000 They want to be, you know, astronauts when they're seven.

01:29:36.000 It's like, okay, well, if you want to be an astronaut, you got to start doing these things right now.

01:29:38.000 And they're gonna be like, math and science?

01:29:42.000 But I want to go to space now.

01:29:44.000 I think another big issue is that parents have really had their instincts and their decision making capabilities undermined by this idea that, oh, everything needs to be deferred to the experts.

01:29:55.000 And if you disagree with the expert, well, you're just uneducated and you're just obsolete and you're outdated and you don't have the up-to-date scientific information.

01:30:04.000 And there's so many parents out there.

01:30:05.000 I mean, there are those crazy parents who like they're really into transing their kid, but there's also a lot of parents where I just don't think that they have the confidence when some, you know, Can we just acknowledge that there is a happy medium between believing the earth is flat and saying, I'm not a biologist and I can't tell you what a woman is?

01:30:20.000 and that it's very safe and effective, that they don't have the confidence to actually

01:30:24.000 go look into that themselves and then oppose that authority figure.

01:30:28.000 Can we just acknowledge that there is a happy medium between believing the earth is flat

01:30:33.000 and saying, I'm not a biologist and I can't tell you what a woman is?

01:30:36.000 Like perhaps there's a point where you don't have to be an expert to just point out some basic things.

01:30:40.000 Don't believe the crazy guy on the internet who's like, NASA's lying to you.

01:30:45.000 The Earth is flat! 0.94

01:30:46.000 And then it's like, okay, well, that's kind of nuts.

01:30:48.000 I think the Earth is round.

01:30:49.000 But then you've got someone over here, a Supreme Court Justice being like, I am not a biologist.

01:30:53.000 I don't know what a woman is. 1.00

01:30:53.000 It's like, okay, well, I think I do. 1.00

01:30:56.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:30:57.000 And I just want to mention that when it comes to something as basic and fundamental as your child's gender, right?

01:31:03.000 You know the differences between boys and girls.

01:31:05.000 You know what your child is.

01:31:06.000 The doctor, the expert already told you as soon as they were born that they were a boy.

01:31:11.000 or a girl. And this idea that...

01:31:14.000 You mean they guessed?

01:31:14.000 Yeah, you're right. They made a guess. But this idea, sorry, this idea that, um, you

01:31:20.000 know, like the school guidance counselor is an expert on your kid, but you aren't is so

01:31:26.000 backwards.

01:31:27.000 Well, the gym teacher told me that they didn't know what a woman was. So I defer to the gym 0.99

01:31:30.000 teacher.

01:31:31.000 Well, I guess my point is obviously there are some like specific insights you can get

01:31:35.000 from a medical professional, right?

01:31:36.000 But the idea that this, this like guidance counselor fundamentally knows your child's identity and you've completely missed it. 0.99

01:31:42.000 It's, it's, it's asinine. 0.95

01:31:43.000 But that's the whole undercurrent throughout all of this is that the parents are bad. 0.96

01:31:47.000 The parents don't know what they're doing. 1.00

01:31:48.000 The parents are stupid. 1.00

01:31:49.000 Listen to the experts. 1.00

01:31:50.000 And if the parents won't let you listen to the experts and you need to take the child away from the parents.

01:31:55.000 Yeah.

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01:32:22.000 Mr. Slendy says, can men get pregnant or are we not allowed to have an opinion on abortion?

01:32:28.000 Both cannot be true.

01:32:29.000 Lefties, you've painted yourself into a logical paradox.

01:32:32.000 Oh, they don't care.

01:32:33.000 Logic doesn't matter to them.

01:32:34.000 No truth, but power.

01:32:35.000 I agree.

01:32:36.000 There's no logic.

01:32:37.000 You know, I'm just, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a person who prefers some logic in the arguments.

01:32:41.000 There needs to be rules to understand how the system works.

01:32:43.000 And so when they say like, here's our position on this thing, I say, what is your basis for this thing? 0.96

01:32:47.000 And they're like, shut up.

01:32:48.000 Do you agree with us or not? 0.98

01:32:49.000 Exactly.

01:32:51.000 All right.

01:32:54.000 Let's see what we got.

01:32:57.000 Rolling ones.

01:32:59.000 Let's see.

01:33:00.000 Matt Nill says, Tim, did you see the news that the Roe v. Wade draft leaked may be a cover for the massive info dump about Pfizer?

01:33:06.000 Also, did you see CDC admits it purchased location information to track people if people were vaxxed or within curfew?

01:33:12.000 Curfew, I did see that.

01:33:14.000 I don't really care for the conspiracy theory about covering something up.

01:33:17.000 I mean, the Pfizer stuff did come out.

01:33:19.000 I don't know if you guys saw that.

01:33:20.000 Pfizer's profits were up this quarter by like 75% or something.

01:33:26.000 Come on, Pfizer.

01:33:27.000 Such a racket.

01:33:29.000 When do people fall out and fall back in love with pharmaceutical companies?

01:33:34.000 Allergies!

01:33:35.000 Fear of COVID, basically.

01:33:36.000 I would like to file a complaint against all of the trees who are assaulting me right now.

01:33:41.000 You go outside and there's just green everywhere.

01:33:43.000 Keep drinking water.

01:33:44.000 The pollen dehydrates you.

01:33:45.000 Tickles your throat.

01:33:46.000 But if you drink a lot of water and eat less sugar, you should be okay.

01:33:49.000 Real.

01:33:50.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:33:51.000 says, Seamus, today's cartoon was super fantastic.

01:33:53.000 Oh, thank you so much.

01:33:54.000 Which one was it?

01:33:54.000 Y'all better go check it out.

01:33:55.000 You guys are just gonna have to watch it someday.

01:33:58.000 When you're older.

01:33:58.000 It's a... No, I'm kidding.

01:34:00.000 Guys, go watch it right now.

01:34:01.000 Freedom Tunes.

01:34:02.000 We're also releasing one on Thursday.

01:34:03.000 You're very much going to enjoy it.

01:34:05.000 Alright.

01:34:06.000 Cyrus Nurschel says, I sent an email to SpinTheUFO a few weeks ago about getting an IT job with you fine folks, but no reply. 0.64

01:34:12.000 Are there still open IT positions or did my email just suck?

01:34:17.000 Well, there's potentially.

01:34:18.000 The issue is just that we have, I think, 12,000 emails.

01:34:21.000 Yeah.

01:34:21.000 So you're doing a good job.

01:34:24.000 I don't handle any Timcast employee, any of that.

01:34:27.000 So don't message me with that.

01:34:28.000 I'm only working on the charity stuff, which is a completely different organization.

01:34:33.000 All right.

01:34:34.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:34:35.000 says, Guys, I laughed so hard during the drive to work this morning.

01:34:38.000 The members show was so off the rails, I thought Tim might actually dropkick Ian.

01:34:44.000 Last night?

01:34:44.000 I got a lot of responses about the members only show last night.

01:34:47.000 That was awesome.

01:34:48.000 Yeah, I think a lot of people were mad at you.

01:34:50.000 I felt that in the air. 0.74

01:34:52.000 But the main issue was that we were talking about the story in Philadelphia where a guy on the train was raping a woman.

01:34:59.000 And nobody did anything?

01:35:00.000 I know.

01:35:01.000 And I was like, I would dropkick the dude and he was like, I'm not getting involved. 0.95

01:35:04.000 Yeah, we were talking about getting involved with a woman killing her fetus.

01:35:08.000 Is that similar to like seeing someone get attacked on the subway?

01:35:12.000 That was kind of like, we never really went too deep into that.

01:35:15.000 Schism. 0.91

01:35:15.000 I like that word, schism. 0.91

01:35:16.000 I think you said that earlier.

01:35:18.000 And then what else?

01:35:19.000 There's another thing we were talking about we would do, but basically like, would you come to someone's aid if they were getting attacked?

01:35:24.000 And then is that also like a baby in the womb?

01:35:26.000 Like, will you come to their aid if the mother is going to abort it?

01:35:29.000 Well, I think the main thing that people were concerned about was, like, you said you would not intervene to protect the woman, and I said I would.

01:35:34.000 Yeah, the conversation got pretty twisted pretty quick.

01:35:36.000 I've actually been thinking about this today, like, if someone's getting attacked, then, I mean, calling the cops isn't enough.

01:35:42.000 You've got to make a split-second decision.

01:35:43.000 On a train, you can't.

01:35:44.000 Are you going to get involved?

01:35:45.000 Right.

01:35:45.000 I mean, I think they have cell notes down in the subways now, but the issue was, I don't think, I think you make a good legal point about how the left runs cities.

01:35:53.000 Like, oh, you're the one who's going to go to prison if you try and stop this guy, so most people are like, I'm not getting involved.

01:35:58.000 You know, back in the day, you'd be like, if I get involved, I know I'm not getting in trouble, I'm helping.

01:36:03.000 Nowadays, it's like, that dude will sue you, and you'll lose, you'll get arrested.

01:36:07.000 Yeah.

01:36:07.000 Like, the criminal will sue you.

01:36:09.000 They could be making a movie, for all I know.

01:36:11.000 There are those stories about criminals who are breaking into someone's house, and then sue the homeowner after they get injured breaking in.

01:36:16.000 Insanity.

01:36:17.000 That was a great show last night, I highly recommend people check it out.

01:36:20.000 Yeah.

01:36:21.000 Danny's lit.

01:36:22.000 Apparently, yeah, yeah, Danny was cool, Danny was cool.

01:36:26.000 He loved it.

01:36:27.000 Alright, what's going on?

01:36:28.000 Are we stuck here?

01:36:29.000 Alright.

01:36:30.000 Eric Redbeard says, No idea!

01:36:31.000 As Karlyn Borsenko makes the point that Republicans just lost every woman who left the Democrats

01:36:35.000 in the last two years, you'll lose every election for the rest of your lives, declares for LP

01:36:41.000 Thoughts.

01:36:42.000 No idea.

01:36:43.000 I'm not a woman.

01:36:44.000 I don't even know what a woman is. 1.00

01:36:46.000 No, I don't think so.

01:36:48.000 I don't think that's the case, but I don't know.

01:36:49.000 I mean, I'm not in the business of making predictions.

01:36:51.000 I'm pretty sure Lydia is going to vote Republican. 0.97

01:36:52.000 Yeah.

01:36:52.000 Yeah, I would say that I don't think that every woman just left the Republican Party.

01:36:56.000 I think that women who left the, sorry, the Democrat Party, I think that women that left the Democrat Party for a reason are going to be like, perfect, this is exactly why I left the Democrat Party. 0.85

01:37:05.000 And the fact they're spazzing out about this is only going to make them more committed.

01:37:09.000 And Carlin is perhaps misled about this, I would say.

01:37:13.000 I don't know.

01:37:14.000 Greg Duvier says, Ian, great job playing devil's advocate on the members only segment last night.

01:37:18.000 You even fooled Tim until he saw something on your screen giving away you were acting like Bill Gates.

01:37:24.000 Great job acting.

01:37:26.000 He was lying.

01:37:27.000 I'm not a Bill Gates fanboy.

01:37:30.000 Ian was making an argument about, like, the overconsumption or something, and then I made the joke.

01:37:35.000 Oh gosh, it got dark, yeah.

01:37:37.000 I made the joke that he must be reading Bill Gates to make his arguments.

01:37:40.000 Yeah, I was talking about, like, having too many people, what that even means.

01:37:42.000 It's just such a good show.

01:37:43.000 It was such a good show.

01:37:44.000 I'd love to go have another one of those.

01:37:45.000 And it was not family-friendly.

01:37:47.000 No.

01:37:47.000 There were, like, really, really gruesome dark jokes.

01:37:50.000 Danny was like, this is what the After Show is?

01:37:52.000 This should be every show!

01:37:53.000 I was like, we'd be banned in two seconds, dude.

01:37:56.000 Don't let your kids listen!

01:37:57.000 Yeah.

01:37:58.000 Because this show is kind of like, you know, we got to add the opening monologue from a comedian and a musical guest and then we'll be just like Stephen Colbert.

01:38:07.000 Yeah, no thank you.

01:38:08.000 But we do try to make this so that, you know, people can turn this on and their kids might be in the room and we don't, you know, say nasty words just because people like some sanctity around their families.

01:38:18.000 Alright.

01:38:19.000 Trash Panda says, looking for some advice from Seamus.

01:38:22.000 I had a short conversation with a good friend and coworker and he believes in abortion up to birth. 0.97

01:38:27.000 And it would be better to kill a newborn than adoption homes. 0.89

01:38:31.000 I'm curious what advice he's asking for. 0.98

01:38:33.000 There isn't a specific question there.

01:38:37.000 How should you respond to that?

01:38:41.000 That's a good question.

01:38:42.000 How should you respond to someone who thinks it's okay to murder a child after they've been born?

01:38:47.000 I'm not sure what response you could get to that person if they've genuinely said that.

01:38:50.000 If this is a case where you think that this person's principles lead them to that position, you need to expose that to them and help them understand if this is a person who says that they are okay with slaughtering a child after they've been born.

01:39:02.000 I'm not sure if a conversation is going to affect that.

01:39:05.000 I would say to pray for them.

01:39:07.000 I would say that maybe you can try to persuade them that human life has value, but I don't know.

01:39:10.000 If someone doesn't believe human life is intrinsically valuable, I don't know what you can say to them, if that makes sense.

01:39:16.000 I feel like that's not a position based on any kind of logic on their part.

01:39:21.000 I feel like that's a very emotional position, and I don't know if you're going to get through to them. 0.73

01:39:25.000 Yeah, well, it's like my friend says I can murder babies.

01:39:28.000 How should I respond to that? 0.98

01:39:30.000 They said that you're better off killing the born infant than giving it up for adoption, which I don't agree with. 0.99

01:39:36.000 That's insane. 0.90

01:39:36.000 That's a horrifically evil thing to say. 0.90

01:39:38.000 I know kids that were adopted that are fantastic humans.

01:39:43.000 Maybe if your friend meets somebody that's been adopted, or whose parents have been adopted, that might help.

01:39:48.000 Yeah, this person clearly has a very twisted worldview.

01:39:51.000 Maybe this person was raised in foster care and had a very bad experience or something.

01:39:56.000 thing.

01:40:19.000 He is absolutely not saying that you can just evict a child from their mother's uterus.

01:40:26.000 Brandon Hill says, I am mostly anti-abortion, but this was the wrong hill to die on at this time.

01:40:31.000 Now we face ending the filibuster, packing the courts, and losing the midterms because the moderates side with pro-choice.

01:40:37.000 We lost the culture war. 0.89

01:40:39.000 I do not believe it is true that the moderates side with the Democrats with pro-choice.

01:40:46.000 I think the issue is the ignorant do, because I'm somebody who's repeatedly said over and over again that I fall in the more safe, legal, and rare category, but there's no one to vote for who supports that, so I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

01:40:57.000 What do I vote for?

01:40:57.000 Also, the country's pretty split on this 50-50.

01:41:00.000 I can tell you what the country's not split on.

01:41:02.000 Inflation.

01:41:02.000 They don't like it.

01:41:03.000 I can tell you the country doesn't like high gas prices.

01:41:05.000 They don't like that food costs more than it's cost in our lifetimes. 0.67

01:41:07.000 They don't like the fact that our country looks ridiculous on the foreign stage right now.

01:41:12.000 I, I, serious question.

01:41:13.000 Are there, like, millennial women who are really planning on getting abortions and they're worried about, like, a woman who's not gotten an abortion is like, I might need one and now this is bad for me?

01:41:22.000 Because, like, the blue states aren't gonna be getting rid of this.

01:41:24.000 Yeah, and also, look.

01:41:27.000 It's not as if um when you look at this this issue you're absolutely correct but also it's gonna as far as I'm aware even if this passes stay legal in the blue states but it's hilarious because the left is going oh my goodness you know everyone's going to vote for us now because of this and at the same time they're threatening violence and saying we need to riot and have a revolution so I wouldn't be too concerned.

01:41:47.000 I think the left is really set on handing us a victory here. 0.58

01:41:51.000 I'm not sure what's gonna happen, but if the right does anything which could be considered politically unpopular, the left is gonna react by, like, freaking out and rioting and making themselves look like idiots, so... Alright, Kyle says, Helena, how do you rate male privilege during your brief tenure? 0.95

01:42:06.000 Is it all that it is hyped up to be? 0.98

01:42:08.000 I don't think I experienced being a man.

01:42:12.000 At all.

01:42:13.000 I can't really.

01:42:15.000 I mean, I don't believe in like the whole privilege oppression stuff, but I just hesitate to say that I had an experience of a man because I don't think I did.

01:42:25.000 There was this woman who identified as a man and she said her experience was so different and it was sad.

01:42:33.000 She was like, men are not, like nobody cared about your feelings anymore, men or women, that it was like a very different experience that was very cold and lonely.

01:42:42.000 Yeah, there was, I believe, a lesbian journalist who dressed up as a man on an undercover project. 1.00

01:42:47.000 And I thought that was interesting, but on the other hand, that is a woman being treated as a man, as opposed to a man being treated as a man.

01:42:55.000 So, probably not gonna enjoy it.

01:42:56.000 Well, they didn't know that.

01:42:58.000 No, I understand.

01:42:59.000 No, I understand that, but it's possible.

01:43:00.000 I mean, because men and women are different, that the emotional reaction a woman would have to being treated like a man would be negative.

01:43:06.000 Whereas for a man... Yeah, I don't want to be lauded with emotion when I walk around during the day.

01:43:10.000 Like I, I appreciate people that kind of leave me alone and let me be.

01:43:14.000 You can kind of see that happening.

01:43:15.000 It's like when women, when, when men try to like joke with women, the way they joke with other men, women take it like so badly and they get, they, they think it's like the man being mean to her personally.

01:43:28.000 Yeah, no, exactly.

01:43:29.000 It can happen.

01:43:30.000 And so, I mean, men and women are different, and if you treat a woman like a man, she's probably not going to be all that happy.

01:43:35.000 Let me tell you guys something.

01:43:36.000 I've talked about this before.

01:43:38.000 So a guy walks into his office.

01:43:40.000 Let's call it a law firm.

01:43:42.000 And I see Seamus.

01:43:45.000 I walk in, I see Seamus, and I go, oh, Seamus!

01:43:48.000 That's a great shirt, man.

01:43:49.000 Where'd you get that?

01:43:50.000 You're actually looking pretty good.

01:43:51.000 You working out?

01:43:52.000 You get a haircut or something?

01:43:54.000 Hey man, then I pat him on the shoulder and... What are you talking to me for?

01:43:57.000 That's, that's, that's, that's, it'll be like a fine interaction.

01:43:59.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:44:00.000 A guy walks up to a guy and was like, whoa, dude, you been hitting the gym, bro?

01:44:03.000 I'd be like, hey, I appreciate it, I haven't, but, you know, this is a cool shirt, thank you.

01:44:07.000 Then you walk up, he grabs him on the shoulder, pats him, and was like, great outfit, man, that suit's looking sharp, dude, you're looking good.

01:44:13.000 Now imagine a guy walks up to a woman in a dress and he goes, ooh, wow, you're looking good, you hitting the gym, Karen? 0.86

01:44:18.000 Ooh, nice dress.

01:44:19.000 Pats her on the shoulder, he's fired.

01:44:20.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:44:21.000 I mean, to be fair, you threw some oohs in there that the guy didn't get.

01:44:24.000 Regardless, even if those weren't there.

01:44:27.000 Like, ooh, Seamus, you working out?

01:44:29.000 Popular or unpopular take.

01:44:30.000 But even if those weren't there, I agree with you that that would be a whole different story.

01:44:32.000 If a guy went up to a guy and was like, hey man, you're looking pretty good.

01:44:35.000 You hitting the gym?

01:44:36.000 That's a great outfit, by the way.

01:44:38.000 You get a haircut or something?

01:44:38.000 You're just looking good.

01:44:39.000 Hey man, keep up the good work.

01:44:41.000 Here's those reports from last week.

01:44:43.000 Say the exact same thing to a man.

01:44:44.000 Oh, you're looking good, man.

01:44:45.000 You hitting the gym, Karen?

01:44:47.000 That's a great outfit, by the way.

01:44:48.000 You get a haircut or something?

01:44:49.000 You're looking great.

01:44:50.000 Here are the reports.

01:44:51.000 I think it's because adult men and women cannot be friends. 0.99

01:44:55.000 It might be a stretch, but I think that's why you have a girlfriend and a boyfriend and you have one because you choose to go down that path towards marriage or relationship with one.

01:45:04.000 They can be friends, they're just different dynamics.

01:45:06.000 Yeah.

01:45:07.000 And I think that you, I think usually if a guy were to come up to like a female co-worker that he's not really, you know, close friends with or anything and be like, you know, you look so good.

01:45:18.000 You've been going to the gym.

01:45:18.000 Like usually that would be from like a flirtatious place.

01:45:23.000 There's just different dynamics there.

01:45:24.000 Yeah, well, I definitely agree with you, Ian, especially if you're in a committed relationship.

01:45:28.000 If you're married, right?

01:45:29.000 There's just, the dynamics are completely different between yourself and the opposite sex. 0.99

01:45:32.000 It's not as if you're in a position where it's like, oh, I could just be friends with everybody.

01:45:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:45:35.000 If you went out and got hammered with some girl, but you were married at the time, like, that's crazy.

01:45:40.000 Yeah.

01:45:40.000 But you could get hammered with a dude and just have fun, like your friend.

01:45:44.000 I don't know.

01:45:44.000 Yeah.

01:45:45.000 I agree.

01:45:46.000 I would like to see what you guys think in chat.

01:45:49.000 Can men and women, adult men and women, be friends?

01:45:52.000 Super chat.

01:45:54.000 All right.

01:45:55.000 Cal Miller says a civil war in the United States will be the end of Taiwan, NATO, and the global order.

01:46:01.000 Agreed.

01:46:04.000 Anything?

01:46:04.000 No?

01:46:04.000 All right.

01:46:05.000 There we go.

01:46:06.000 Slam. 0.98

01:46:08.000 Yes.

01:46:08.000 Civil war would trigger a bunch of that, a global conflict.

01:46:13.000 Deliopolis says, over the last few years, I've been obsessed with the Cold War and doing a lot of research on it.

01:46:17.000 And right now, America is giving off some serious 1980s Soviet Union vibes.

01:46:22.000 Ooh, man.

01:46:24.000 Well, I guess we only have a few years, huh?

01:46:28.000 Elaborate.

01:46:29.000 Well, the 80s was the end of the Soviet Union.

01:46:31.000 Yeah, they got bankrupted and fell apart, basically.

01:46:34.000 And I wonder what's going on now.

01:46:35.000 Wild.

01:46:36.000 So expect the oligarchs to come in and say, we're running the show now.

01:46:40.000 Like, Klaus Schwab and BlackRock and all this stuff, they're going to come in and be like, business as usual.

01:46:45.000 Elon Musk starts going around with a bunch of paramilitary guys taking over factories.

01:46:50.000 And he's like, I'm in charge now.

01:46:52.000 That's what he actually just did on Twitter.

01:46:53.000 I know.

01:46:54.000 Isn't Amazon buying malls or something?

01:46:54.000 I don't know.

01:46:55.000 They're doing something like that.

01:46:56.000 Jeff Bezos already has a bunch of factories all over the place.

01:47:00.000 He doesn't even have to go in and coerce the workers.

01:47:01.000 Aren't they... isn't Amazon buying malls or something?

01:47:04.000 I don't know.

01:47:04.000 They're doing something like that.

01:47:05.000 Yeah.

01:47:07.000 All right.

01:47:09.000 Timothy Barsotti says, both Breaking Point's hosts agree that if there is one person to blame for Roe overturning it is not Trump, but rather Ruth Bader Ginsburg for not retiring and greeting out the first female president, Hillary.

01:47:23.000 That's an interesting statement.

01:47:26.000 Someone mentioned that to me on Twitter, I think, earlier today, too.

01:47:28.000 If RGB had resigned when Obama was president, then Obama could have Then it would be 5-4 upholding Roe v. Wade right now.

01:47:36.000 Yeah, you justices gotta figure out when enough is enough.

01:47:38.000 Step down when it's time to step down. 0.98

01:47:39.000 They're arrogant. 0.99

01:47:40.000 They were all arrogant. 0.99

01:47:41.000 And Ruth Bader Ginsburg wanted to be there to greet the first female president. 1.00

01:47:46.000 So she's like, I am not retiring for this.

01:47:47.000 It's gonna be historic.

01:47:48.000 And then... Dude, everybody hated Hillary! 1.00

01:47:50.000 Are you nuts? 0.96

01:47:51.000 Hillary was so bad. 1.00

01:47:53.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:47:56.000 Brave New Clown World says the civil war was started over much less. 0.93

01:48:00.000 Look up the moral tariff.

01:48:02.000 It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

01:48:04.000 Get ready for civil war round two.

01:48:06.000 Look that up.

01:48:07.000 M-O-R-R-I-L-L tariff.

01:48:09.000 Interesting.

01:48:10.000 I hope you guys don't want civil war.

01:48:13.000 That's the most, I mean, I don't think, if you haven't been to war and you're talking about it, that's like... People might want peaceful divorce.

01:48:20.000 Okay.

01:48:21.000 But that's, that's what, federalism?

01:48:23.000 It's like, okay, so red states can have red state laws and blue states can have blue state laws and you can move between them.

01:48:29.000 Actually, that's a pretty good system.

01:48:31.000 The problem is the Democrats are like, we want the entire country to uphold our way of life.

01:48:35.000 And so gun rights is the easiest example. 0.96

01:48:38.000 You know, Billy Joe in the mountains of West Virginia doesn't need to be constrained by the same gun laws as Anthony in New York City.

01:48:44.000 That's why I think it would be more of a revolution than a civil war because it would be like the federal government's gone too far kind of thing and the states have had enough.

01:48:54.000 Well, all right, let's read some more.

01:48:56.000 Jason Take says, big fan of all you guys do.

01:48:59.000 I would love to build you a conference table out of solid walnut with clear epoxy inlays, and Ian could fill it with some crazy rocks.

01:49:08.000 Would do it at cost as long as I can personally deliver it.

01:49:11.000 I don't know what we would do with the table.

01:49:13.000 Maybe soon, though.

01:49:14.000 We have a new table that's getting built.

01:49:16.000 It's gonna have... Everyone's gonna be able to control their own headphone volume.

01:49:19.000 Could you do that same thing with wall?

01:49:22.000 Like wall... what is this called?

01:49:24.000 Paneling?

01:49:24.000 It's called wall.

01:49:25.000 Wall?

01:49:25.000 With this wall wall wall?

01:49:27.000 Could you do that?

01:49:28.000 Could you do like inlaid epoxy wall paneling that we could put stuff in?

01:49:31.000 Our walls are actually floors.

01:49:33.000 Yeah, they are.

01:49:33.000 It's vinyl flooring.

01:49:34.000 Yeah, we bought a bunch of vinyl flooring and then you just cut it and stick it to the wall.

01:49:38.000 It's very thick and it's very heavy.

01:49:40.000 Looking good.

01:49:41.000 Yeah, it's good fun.

01:49:44.000 JN says the opposite of life is death, not choice.

01:49:46.000 The Bible says choose life.

01:49:48.000 Fact check, Seamus.

01:49:49.000 What is that?

01:49:50.000 Um, the opposite of life is not choice?

01:49:54.000 I mean... Is death, not choice.

01:49:56.000 The opposite of life is death?

01:49:57.000 Yeah, I mean, well, because I think they're making an argument about the terms pro-life and pro-choice.

01:50:02.000 It's like, yeah, they're pro-death.

01:50:05.000 Pro-death.

01:50:06.000 Oof.

01:50:08.000 Lisa P, Liza P says, abortion is a euphemism. 0.99

01:50:11.000 What's done isn't an abortion.

01:50:12.000 The only proper word is murder.

01:50:14.000 Not only is it a euphemism, the word itself is entirely inaccurate as it pertains to the act.

01:50:19.000 Interesting.

01:50:21.000 So maybe we need new words.

01:50:23.000 So you can say, you know, emergency medical procedure for when it's an emergency medical procedure and termination of the baby, just call it termination of the baby.

01:50:34.000 Killing.

01:50:35.000 Well, because the left means something different when they say abortion.

01:50:38.000 I think, but here's the thing.

01:50:39.000 I don't actually know that they do because you're right that they'll try to take these hard cases that they will describe, but they'll take these hard cases that they describe as abortions.

01:50:49.000 Uh, or so the, the examples we've mentioned were like a procedure is performed that puts the child at risk rather than something that directly kills the child.

01:50:56.000 But then they'll try to use that to like justify going in and killing a child.

01:51:01.000 And not only that, but like going in and killing a child for any reason.

01:51:04.000 So, what they are defending at the end of the day is what we would describe as abortion.

01:51:08.000 What the left describes as abortion ranges from the needless termination of a fetus, killing of the baby, all the way to the baby is already dead and needs to be removed from the womb.

01:51:19.000 They call that an abortion. 0.99

01:51:21.000 So, like, there needs to be a better way to describe it.

01:51:23.000 I hear you.

01:51:24.000 I guess my point is that when they talk about these other instances, they're using it to try to justify completely legal abortion up until the point of birth, basically.

01:51:39.000 All right.

01:51:40.000 Well, all right.

01:51:41.000 Jay Champagne says, Ian, I saw the low roll at the beginning of the show, but Call of Cthulhu is an RPG that uses a D100 for skill checks.

01:51:49.000 And in that system, lower rolls are better than high ones.

01:51:52.000 Well, there you go, Ian.

01:51:53.000 Then I nailed that four.

01:51:56.000 Ashton de Rojas says, the chaos flame description sounds like the frenzied flame from Elden Ring, where you go mad by being exposed to it and spread it around.

01:52:05.000 Yeah, I like that metaphor that people's rage is like fire.

01:52:08.000 What was it that like the... It's chaotic fire.

01:52:10.000 It's destructive and it consumes.

01:52:11.000 But fire itself has a logic to it.

01:52:13.000 In the right contained environment, it functions exactly as you expect it to.

01:52:17.000 So it's only when the environment is chaotic that fire takes on that behavior.

01:52:24.000 Billy Mazik says, told my 13-year-old niece to catch a lightning bug, then asked if she had the right to kill it, even though she clearly had the power.

01:52:31.000 I then said, if you didn't want to be responsible for it, why did you grab it?

01:52:35.000 What if someone grabs a lightning bug and throws it at her and it gets in her hair?

01:52:39.000 And then she's like, ah, get it off me, get it off me.

01:52:42.000 And then she smacks it. 1.00

01:52:44.000 Speaking of, I had a stink bug on my finger earlier, and I didn't know it was a stink bug, so I squeezed it, and it juiced all over my finger.

01:52:50.000 I still try, I gotta go wash it.

01:52:51.000 It juiced all over your finger.

01:52:52.000 Ew! 0.98

01:52:53.000 Don't sniff it, what are you doing?

01:52:55.000 I'm just an animal, you know?

01:52:58.000 Well, alright.

01:53:00.000 Iggy the Incubus says, where was the uproar over SCOTUS case five months ago when it initially came out that Roe was effectively done anyways?

01:53:07.000 This feels like an attempt to galvanize for midterms and distract from the disinfo governing board.

01:53:12.000 I don't know about the midterms, man.

01:53:13.000 We're six months away from the midterms.

01:53:15.000 That's eternity in politics.

01:53:17.000 Yo, that's why they call it an October surprise.

01:53:20.000 The news will come out a week before the midterms, and it'll be like Joe Biden farted, and then everyone's gonna go, ah, and they're gonna forget all about this.

01:53:27.000 Oh, here's a good one.

01:53:28.000 Scrobaca says, Amazon put out a press release that they would start paying up to $4,000 for travel for staff for medical procedures including abortion yesterday before the SCOTUS leak.

01:53:38.000 We talked about this on the after show last night, basically.

01:53:41.000 A cynical, horrifically evil business decision.

01:53:44.000 People who kill their babies are actually cheaper as employees than people who have children because you don't have to pay them the wage that would be necessary to care for a family.

01:53:52.000 Michael Hope says, Helena is spot on.

01:53:54.000 I used Tumblr as a teenager and was completely radicalized in the same way.

01:53:58.000 They promote and praise mental disorders. 0.66

01:54:00.000 Yeah, they call it neurodivergence, right?

01:54:03.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:54:03.000 And you like list all of your mental problems? 0.94

01:54:06.000 Yeah, and you self-diagnose as the different ones.

01:54:08.000 And yeah, it goes deep.

01:54:10.000 Yeah.

01:54:10.000 Wow.

01:54:12.000 All right.

01:54:14.000 Casey says, yo, Ireland, you can probably just ask her a question without prefacing as a trans.

01:54:20.000 4 to Ian, you guys rock.

01:54:21.000 Who's Ireland? 0.97

01:54:22.000 Who are they referring to?

01:54:22.000 I don't know.

01:54:26.000 Is that racist?

01:54:26.000 That's extremely offensive.

01:54:28.000 First of all, you can refer to me without having Ireland in there.

01:54:32.000 Do you understand?

01:54:35.000 But as a formerly trans person.

01:54:41.000 All right.

01:54:41.000 Sire Williamson says what she is saying is so true.

01:54:44.000 Because of my intersex defect, I had to take 200 milligrams of testosterone just to bring me up to a safe level.

01:54:49.000 Life-threatening low levels for a man.

01:54:52.000 And my feelings were all over.

01:54:53.000 Can't imagine a woman. 1.00

01:54:54.000 Yeah.

01:54:55.000 Yep.

01:54:56.000 Interesting.

01:54:59.000 All right.

01:55:01.000 Thomas Bowman says TimCast for 2024, Seamus as VP.

01:55:05.000 First of all, first place does not go to the Vice President, okay?

01:55:09.000 I will be writing that it is ShibCast IRL. 0.93

01:55:13.000 Murph Try says, I got an ad on YouTube for puberty blockers, but it was advertised as a treatment for CPP.

01:55:19.000 Immediately realized this was their cover story for the treatment.

01:55:22.000 What's CPP?

01:55:23.000 Precocious puberty.

01:55:25.000 It's a disorder where people will have puberty onset much earlier than they should.

01:55:30.000 Oh yeah, I was reading about that.

01:55:32.000 But even for that, if you look at the people who have been treated with Lupron for that, they as adults have severe health issues.

01:55:40.000 Yeah.

01:55:41.000 Crazy.

01:55:43.000 Alright, Liam says, starting June 5th, I'll start work as a wildland firefighter up in Oregon.

01:55:48.000 I'll try to still watch the show between the fires, keeping the nicotine-addicted drunk Irish firefighter stereotype alive. 0.97

01:55:54.000 Well, alright!

01:55:57.000 Steven says, a nurse practitioner in certain states can act as a medical provider independent of an MD.

01:56:04.000 That is true.

01:56:08.000 AetherEater says, hey crew, check out the Ordeal of the Bitter Water, numbers 5 to 13 in the Bible.

01:56:13.000 Reddit keeps referencing this to dunk on conservatives.

01:56:16.000 Yeah, so we were sort of talking about this before the show.

01:56:19.000 This was something in the Old Testament which refers to a procedure if a woman was, it was basically a practice if a woman was accused of adultery.

01:56:27.000 It's only referenced once and most translations actually refer to it as the woman becoming like infertile if she's cheated on her husband or something.

01:56:36.000 I think there might be Some that use the phrase which can indicate miscarriage, but most translations refer to it as something more along the lines of fertility.

01:56:48.000 So that's not really an honest argument.

01:56:50.000 This is from the old, it's ancient practice where if a woman was thought to have cheated on her husband, they'd go to the priest, the priest would be like, drink this water that I put some dirt in or whatever.

01:56:59.000 And if you cheated on your husband, you're going to be cursed with miscarriages and infertility. 0.94

01:57:03.000 And so she gets all stressed if she cheated on her husband. 1.00

01:57:06.000 This is where I think it comes from.

01:57:07.000 and so her stress kills the baby.

01:57:08.000 Well, but no, she's not even pregnant. 1.00

01:57:10.000 I don't believe it even references her being pregnant.

01:57:12.000 It just says that it would make her unable to have a child or barren. 0.69

01:57:17.000 Some translations say miscarry, but the ones I've read don't use that.

01:57:21.000 It basically just refers to infertility.

01:57:23.000 And it's only referenced once.

01:57:24.000 It's not exactly something that's like delineated as a common occurrence.

01:57:27.000 So it's not an honest argument at all.

01:57:29.000 All right, Common Sense Fishing says to Matt Walsh and Seamus,

01:57:32.000 my friend's wife was six months pregnant.

01:57:34.000 Baby became cancerous, not mom.

01:57:37.000 Was spreading to mother and baby was still alive.

01:57:39.000 Abortion was the only option to save mom and baby not viable. 0.69

01:57:43.000 Yeah, that's an interesting case.

01:57:45.000 I've never heard of something like that.

01:57:47.000 I haven't considered that specific instance.

01:57:50.000 I believe you should still do everything you can to save the life of a child, as I've mentioned earlier.

01:57:54.000 I'm not sure what that would entail.

01:57:55.000 I mean, it just seems reasonable.

01:57:57.000 A story like this has to happen.

01:57:59.000 We know there are biological issues with some babies.

01:58:02.000 Yeah, I don't know that the answer is to directly do an abortion.

01:58:04.000 I'm not sure what interventions could take place to attempt to save the life of a child.

01:58:08.000 I'm saying if those interventions are possible, they should be carried out.

01:58:11.000 What if it's not possible?

01:58:12.000 It's just like, take the baby out, the baby dies, but the mom lives.

01:58:14.000 Yeah, I think you do everything you can to save the child and the mother.

01:58:17.000 And if you can't, again, if the child dies, the child does die.

01:58:20.000 I think the issue is that argument is aligned with the medical exemption the left talks about, but they act like conservatives don't feel that way at all.

01:58:30.000 I don't think they actually talk to conservatives.

01:58:31.000 Like that Guardian article from Stephen Marsh, he mentions that Republicans are going to, there's going to be a fight, unrest and rioting and stuff, potentially civil war over abortion.

01:58:43.000 But he's like, Republicans are gonna lose anyway because banning abortion doesn't stop abortion.

01:58:47.000 And I'm like, I think your position, Seamus, was like, so what?

01:58:51.000 Could you repeat that?

01:58:51.000 Yeah.

01:58:52.000 He said that banning abortion won't stop women from having abortions.

01:58:54.000 Well, I mean, in certain circumstances, and Ian and I were talking about this earlier, but basically anytime you pass any kind of law, there are gonna be people who break it.

01:59:01.000 That doesn't mean a law doesn't need to exist in the first place.

01:59:04.000 You were saying, I think you said to me before, so what, the state shouldn't endorse it, it should be illegal.

01:59:08.000 Yeah, no, I don't think abortion should be legal.

01:59:11.000 No.

01:59:12.000 Alright.

01:59:14.000 Adrian Contreras says, does anyone else miss the 80s?

01:59:16.000 I do.

01:59:17.000 I don't remember the 80s.

01:59:17.000 Yeah, I wasn't there.

01:59:18.000 They were okay.

01:59:19.000 It was a lot of big hair, hairspray.

01:59:22.000 Hot pants.

01:59:23.000 Yeah, a lot of hot pants.

01:59:25.000 You had to ride your bike to get around.

01:59:26.000 Neon leopard print.

01:59:28.000 What's going on in the 80s, dude?

01:59:30.000 That was weird.

01:59:30.000 It was like the Guns N' Roses era.

01:59:32.000 Yeah.

01:59:33.000 My favorite part of the 80s?

01:59:33.000 Yeah, favorite part of the 80s.

01:59:34.000 Cartoons.

01:59:35.000 Cartoons, okay.

01:59:35.000 They were pretty safe.

01:59:36.000 You could just sit down in front of the TV and get, like, you know, normal, funny... I mean, they were pretty crappy, too, looking back on them, but it was the cartoons.

01:59:43.000 And also the NES.

01:59:44.000 It was the breakthrough of video games, really, that altered my reality, because I had the Atari in 82, and then we got a Nintendo in 85, which was just gobstomping awesome.

01:59:54.000 And then we got a Sega Genesis, and you're like, what is happening to reality?

01:59:58.000 All of a sudden now, and then you start to see these photorealistic things, and you're able to manipulate them.

02:00:02.000 I mean, for a young child, that was incredible.

02:00:04.000 It's funny, because the Genesis was before my time, but we didn't have, like, a video game system as kids, and so we got a Sega Genesis from a garage sale.

02:00:11.000 Oh my goodness, that thing was so much fun.

02:00:13.000 All right.

02:00:14.000 Ageof1 says, I detransitioned at 29 after realizing my transition was due to trauma after the death of my fiancé to fentanyl.

02:00:22.000 I was on hormones two years, and now I may be infertile.

02:00:25.000 Love the show.

02:00:26.000 God saved me.

02:00:27.000 Wow, all right, let's let's grab a couple more.

02:00:32.000 Let's see we got I don't want to miss any of these from up here Ooh, you know what?

02:00:37.000 Let's talk about Planned Parenthood in the Members Only because there's one that's very spicy having to do with eugenics. 0.88

02:00:44.000 So we'll talk about that in the Members Only.

02:00:47.000 I think it's going to be interesting.

02:00:49.000 And Nikki says to eat local honey.

02:00:51.000 I do.

02:00:52.000 It doesn't work.

02:00:53.000 It does not cure allergies.

02:00:54.000 Everyone's always said, like, have you taken local honey?

02:00:56.000 It's like, dude, we have so much farm local honey.

02:00:58.000 It's amazing that I love.

02:00:59.000 It doesn't do anything.

02:01:01.000 Also, I cut out the sugar because sugar's bad.

02:01:03.000 But honey, I do have a little bit of.

02:01:06.000 All right.

02:01:07.000 And we'll talk a little bit more about Republicans in the midterms coming up.

02:01:11.000 And let's see.

02:01:14.000 Let's just try and grab one more here.

02:01:16.000 Big Red says Roe v. Wade is the slavery issue of our time.

02:01:19.000 The 1857 Supreme Court decision Dred Scott v. Ferguson and the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision both rendered people as property.

02:01:27.000 Interesting.

02:01:27.000 All right, everybody.

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02:01:44.000 Helena, do you want to shout out anything?

02:01:46.000 Oh yeah, I have a Substack where I talk about trans issues and detransition stuff. 1.00

02:01:52.000 It is the same as my Twitter handle, just .substack.com.

02:01:55.000 Did you put my Twitter handle in the description?

02:01:58.000 I did.

02:01:58.000 Okay, so just take that, type it in, Substack.

02:02:01.000 There you go.

02:02:02.000 My name is Seamus.

02:02:03.000 I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.

02:02:05.000 We're going to be releasing a cartoon on Thursday.

02:02:07.000 We also just released one today.

02:02:09.000 I think you guys will enjoy.

02:02:10.000 And also, I gotta say, I think this was a fantastic episode.

02:02:13.000 It was great having you on.

02:02:14.000 Thank you.

02:02:15.000 And for clarification, I'm 43 years old in solar age, which means my body's been around the sun 43 times.

02:02:20.000 In genetic age, you'd have to figure that one out on your own.

02:02:24.000 How young is my body?

02:02:25.000 Because they're different.

02:02:26.000 Sometimes a young solar body may have rapid genetic aging and vice versa.

02:02:32.000 I think because Ian never sees the sun.

02:02:34.000 I stay out of the sun a lot.

02:02:35.000 I cut sugar out at age 28.

02:02:38.000 I cut back on sugar.

02:02:39.000 I make a lot of internet videos, so I fix my posture.

02:02:42.000 I watch myself doing wrong, so I try and rectify it on a daily basis.

02:02:46.000 It's kind of crazy because I've been skating quite a bit recently, blading. 0.98

02:02:50.000 And after one year of progression, we've got a seven-foot vert ramp.

02:02:54.000 I'm like a foot or two over the coping, and I'm like, it's getting bigger.

02:02:57.000 And I'm looking back at some of the people my age who used to skate too, who are just They're just out of it.

02:03:02.000 Dude, I saw a picture of you on Instagram where you got air, man.

02:03:06.000 Yeah.

02:03:06.000 That was awesome.

02:03:07.000 Big air.

02:03:08.000 I'm 36.

02:03:08.000 I skate all the time.

02:03:12.000 I don't know.

02:03:13.000 This is a thing to me.

02:03:14.000 I remember being a teenager skating and meeting skaters who were in their 30s

02:03:18.000 and they were like, you know, it gets harder, you gotta stretch.

02:03:20.000 I do not feel any different today than when I was 16.

02:03:24.000 Magnetics will lift you up, baby.

02:03:26.000 I'm not even kidding when I say that.

02:03:27.000 Maybe it's because I take this Biotrust stuff.

02:03:30.000 I think there's something about internet videos.

02:03:31.000 When you watch yourself on video, you maintain that visage,

02:03:36.000 like you stay that age almost, genetically.

02:03:38.000 Your body's like adapting to it.

02:03:40.000 And if other people watch it, they think that that's who you are.

02:03:42.000 If they watch a video from eight years ago, they think that's you.

02:03:45.000 So their impression of you is that you're younger, so they treat you like you're younger.

02:03:49.000 I don't know.

02:03:49.000 All I know is I look at a lot of people who are like, I'm too old to do those things anymore.

02:03:53.000 And they look like they're middle aged.

02:03:54.000 And I'm just like, I'm doing the same stuff I've been doing since I was a teenager.

02:03:59.000 I won't use the age as an excuse.

02:04:00.000 Maybe it's because I never stopped exercising and I've maintained better health.

02:04:04.000 I had periods where I was like eating really bad.

02:04:05.000 Like I weighed like, I think 200 pounds in December and now I'm down to like 170 something.

02:04:10.000 Nice.

02:04:11.000 No sugar! 0.98

02:04:12.000 We were at Daily Wire.

02:04:12.000 I was like, hey, how high can you jump, Tim?

02:04:14.000 And he was like, dude, you got massive air.

02:04:15.000 You must have like three feet vert, just standing still.

02:04:19.000 Yeah, probably.

02:04:19.000 Is that how high up you get?

02:04:21.000 Yep.

02:04:21.000 That's nuts.

02:04:22.000 All right.

02:04:22.000 We got Leah pressing the buttons.

02:04:23.000 Yeah, I am pressing the buttons.

02:04:24.000 And I was going to say, I was out at the Blader Cup last weekend in L.A., and those guys are about Tim's age or older, and they are all looking fine.

02:04:32.000 So it turns out if you just continue doing the things you did when you were younger, that will keep you young.

02:04:37.000 I really think that's a ticket.

02:04:38.000 Anyway, you guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sarah Patchlitz.

02:04:42.000 We will see you all at TimCast.com for this member segment.

02:04:46.000 It's probably going to be really dark.

02:04:48.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:04:48.000 We'll see you all there.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - May 04, 2022

Timcast IRL - Left Promotes HORSE MEDICINE To Give Abortions, Call For REVOLUTION w-Helena Kerschner

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