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00:00:00.000 This is really big story going around claiming that the Biden administration was funding

00:00:11.000 the distribution of crack pipes.

00:00:13.000 Snopes ran one of the greatest fact checks I've ever seen where they said it's mostly false.

00:00:18.000 He's also giving out syringes.

00:00:20.000 And I'm like, I don't know how that makes it false, but I guess In some strange technicality, you can argue the story is not true because there's more to the story.

00:00:29.000 Well, now the White House is disputing it, claiming their safe smoking kit is actually not, it doesn't include crack pipes.

00:00:37.000 But if you actually look up standard safe smoking kits given out for drug intervention, it includes meth pipes and crack pipes.

00:00:44.000 So I don't understand why theirs wouldn't have that, kind of think they're lying.

00:00:48.000 But Joe Biden's approval rating is in the gutter.

00:00:50.000 It's lower I'm from Kentucky.

00:00:51.000 I'm a high-tech redneck.

00:00:53.000 Grew up as a hillbilly.

00:00:53.000 Still a hillbilly.

00:00:54.000 Went to MIT.

00:00:54.000 I think it's fair to say that Joe Biden has done a miserable job.

00:00:57.000 We've got a lot to talk about.

00:00:59.000 And joining us to talk about that and so much more are two incredible members of Congress.

00:01:03.000 We have Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:01:05.000 Thomas, do you want to start by introducing yourself?

00:01:08.000 I'm from Kentucky.

00:01:09.000 I'm a high-tech redneck.

00:01:10.000 Grew up as a hillbilly, still a hillbilly.

00:01:13.000 Went to MIT, live off the grid.

00:01:17.000 For some crazy reason, I ran for Congress, and here I am.

00:01:20.000 MIT Hillbilly sounds like a good sitcom, to be honest.

00:01:22.000 Yeah.

00:01:25.000 You can come to our house and watch it because my wife is an MIT Hillbilly and we have a son who's an MIT Hillbilly.

00:01:31.000 Wow.

00:01:31.000 Cool.

00:01:32.000 I'm really excited to hear about the Clux Capacitor, your chicken technology.

00:01:35.000 Latest invention on the farm.

00:01:38.000 Sweet.

00:01:38.000 I'm a big chicken fan.

00:01:39.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:01:40.000 Marjorie, you want to introduce yourself?

00:01:42.000 Yes, my name is Marjorie Taylor Green from Georgia.

00:01:45.000 I'm a freshman member of Congress, and I'm kind of like you, Thomas.

00:01:50.000 I question myself sometimes, like, what made me run, but I think America's worth saving.

00:01:56.000 And happy to be here with my good friend, Thomas Massey, and join you all.

00:02:00.000 So this is going to be a lot of fun.

00:02:01.000 Excited to have you both.

00:02:02.000 And we also have Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes.

00:02:05.000 Yes, Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes.

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00:02:11.000 We have one coming out tomorrow about the feds that I think is pretty funny.

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00:02:15.000 And I also released one two days ago about Joe Rogan and Fauci.

00:02:19.000 Tim was in it.

00:02:19.000 Yeah.

00:02:20.000 What's up, everybody?

00:02:20.000 I'm the voice of Dr. Fauci.

00:02:21.000 And it was really well done.

00:02:22.000 It was great.

00:02:23.000 Thank you, Ian.

00:02:23.000 You're welcome.

00:02:24.000 Hey, Ian Crossland.

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00:04:16.000 And now let's get into that big story that's been going around that everybody can't stop talking about.

00:04:21.000 Newsweek reports, White House says crack pipes never included in safe smoking kits.

00:04:27.000 I think this story is particularly interesting to me because I can understand wanting to intervene to help people who are addicted to drugs, to lower drug infection rates, to get them into safe environments, and help them get off drugs.

00:04:39.000 The problem I have with this story is that, for one, I think the White House is lying about not including crack pipes, and I think giving crack pipes to people, or meth pipes, and other drugs, syringes, will just increase the amount that they're actually doing.

00:04:52.000 So I just want to mention one thing in reference to this story.

00:04:55.000 If you do a Google search and look up harm reduction supplies and safe smoking kits, glass stems, crack pipes, and meth pipes are typically included in them.

00:05:04.000 Now that we've gotten that out of the way, I don't know if our good friends from Congress have any insights into this story or what was going on.

00:05:11.000 Is it true?

00:05:11.000 Is it false?

00:05:12.000 And what do you think about it?

00:05:14.000 I would like to say that fact checker itself I reject the phrase.

00:05:19.000 I mean it's a synonym for corporate shill or leftist propagandist.

00:05:24.000 Amen.

00:05:25.000 So that's my take on fact checkers.

00:05:27.000 I don't believe a word they say.

00:05:29.000 No, I don't believe a word they say either.

00:05:31.000 And actually, I find it appalling that Joe Biden and the Biden administration would give out crack pipes in these safe smoking kits.

00:05:40.000 You know, we do want to see people get off of drugs.

00:05:43.000 I think that's extremely important.

00:05:44.000 But I think Biden doesn't care about drugs.

00:05:46.000 He doesn't care about people dying.

00:05:48.000 Fentanyl is coming across our border at a Terrible, right?

00:05:53.000 Fentanyl poisoning is now the number one cause of death of ages 18 to 45 years old.

00:05:59.000 And so Joe Biden's all for drug use, right?

00:06:01.000 He's all for fentanyl.

00:06:03.000 He's all for smoking meth, smoking crack, whatever it may be.

00:06:07.000 It's absolutely appalling.

00:06:08.000 But the one thing he doesn't support, the one safe drug he doesn't support is ivermectin.

00:06:13.000 So I think this is a serious problem.

00:06:15.000 Well, as always, people should be getting medical advice from trusted medical professionals, and I don't care if it's a politician, I don't care if it's a celebrity, you gotta get that advice from somewhere else.

00:06:23.000 The part of the story that makes me laugh is, okay, let's just say for a minute, alright, there's no crackpipes here, right?

00:06:29.000 They've denied it.

00:06:30.000 No crackpipes.

00:06:31.000 Does the safe smoking kit include meth pipes then?

00:06:33.000 Because that's typically involved.

00:06:35.000 The issue is even Snopes acknowledged the point of this program is to give priority to minorities to smoke these drugs.

00:06:44.000 So that means that think about this for two seconds.

00:06:46.000 Like the Biden administration is basically saying we're going to be funding Programs that distribute drugs and drug paraphernalia to minorities.

00:06:54.000 I don't think that's going to solve the problem of racism.

00:06:57.000 Are they actually distributing drugs as well, or is this just a paraphernalia program?

00:07:00.000 I think it's paraphernalia.

00:07:01.000 To make sure that's clear, clarified.

00:07:03.000 Like syringes and stuff like that.

00:07:05.000 But if, like, I'll put it this way, if there's like a white dude who's a drug addict, there's like a black dude who's a drug addict, and your program says give the drug, the supplies, to the minority, that means you're going to have less white people doing drugs and more minorities doing drugs. 0.65

00:07:16.000 That sounds Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:07:18.000 We haven't voted on any funding for this.

00:07:19.000 people getting sick from from dirty needles and and that's also horrible and and wait a minute

00:07:24.000 wait a minute have we we haven't voted on any funding for this how are they doing it we've

00:07:29.000 given them broad swaths I don't know how they do it.

00:07:32.000 I don't remember reading this in any bills.

00:07:34.000 We have voted on one thing, though, in our Judiciary Committee, and that is to make sure there's parity in drug sentencing laws between crack and powder cocaine.

00:07:45.000 Because in the beginning, it was actually the African-American communities who wanted maximum sentences for these evil people that were destroying their communities for crack. 0.99

00:07:56.000 They should.

00:07:57.000 But then they decided that it was racist to over prosecute crack in comparison to powder cocaine.

00:08:03.000 So a lot of states have made it made parity between the sentencing laws between these two.

00:08:09.000 And so we've had votes in Congress to restore parity to get rid of any racial bias.

00:08:13.000 I don't think people should be going to prison for doing drugs.

00:08:15.000 I think they need help.

00:08:16.000 I don't know.

00:08:17.000 How do you guys feel about that?

00:08:18.000 I think drugs are so destructive.

00:08:20.000 I mean, like I said, right now the drugs that are coming across the border at just a record rate through the Mexican cartels are laced with fentanyl.

00:08:28.000 And if young people are dying, if the number one cause of death for young people is fentanyl poisoning, I think drugs are a real problem.

00:08:36.000 I really do.

00:08:37.000 Is it number one?

00:08:38.000 It's number one.

00:08:39.000 Number one cause of death.

00:08:40.000 It's not COVID-19.

00:08:41.000 It's fentanyl poisoning.

00:08:43.000 Now, I think we have the constitutional authority to regulate it at the border.

00:08:48.000 But let's be honest, when they wanted to outlaw alcohol, they recognized at the time they had to do it through a constitutional amendment.

00:08:56.000 So states might be able to do this and the feds might be able to do it at the border.

00:09:00.000 But I don't think we have the constitutional authority to ban substances at the federal government level.

00:09:07.000 Yeah, I mean, honestly, I agree.

00:09:09.000 I think, you know, the problem is, we talked about this a bit last night, we want people to not do drugs.

00:09:15.000 And so, personally, I think locking people in prison for imbibing something sounds really, really awful, especially if it's something hurting them and they're addicted and they need help.

00:09:24.000 So you look at these other countries, you know, Portugal was big, but they offer people help.

00:09:29.000 You know, my understanding is it's still illegal to do these things in public.

00:09:32.000 Giving out these supplies and funding this stuff seems like they read a pamphlet about it and then decided to throw money at it without actually investigating what it's going to do, because it sounds good on paper.

00:09:41.000 I just watched Leanna Nguyen from CNN talking about how think times are changing, the science has changed and things are changing.

00:09:46.000 And now we got to think about how depression and how like despair is doing damage to people.

00:09:51.000 So maybe this is a way to help people cope with their despair because maybe drug addiction is up.

00:09:55.000 I wouldn't be surprised.

00:09:56.000 Sure.

00:09:56.000 Joe Biden's like, have a crack pipe.

00:09:59.000 Well, and also throughout the pandemic, deaths from drug overdoses have increased.

00:09:59.000 Yeah.

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 So is suicide.

00:10:05.000 Yes.

00:10:06.000 It really is.

00:10:06.000 It's tragic.

00:10:08.000 But if it saves just one life, right?

00:10:10.000 I love the fact-checking on this though.

00:10:11.000 Like you were mentioning, fact-checkers, isn't it kind of crazy they're at that point where fact-checkers, for the most part, obscure the facts to make it harder for you to understand what's going on?

00:10:22.000 And the question is, what is their purpose and who is paying them?

00:10:26.000 I dug deep into factcheck.org and looked at their corporate records, and they receive funding from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which holds $2 billion of J&J stock, which is a vaccine manufacturer.

00:10:39.000 The money they receive is earmarked for vaccine fact-checking.

00:10:43.000 What, really?

00:10:44.000 So I taunted them on Twitter and dared them to fact check me on my facts on them.

00:10:44.000 Yeah.

00:10:51.000 And so their fact checks didn't deny the fact that they were taking money from this organization that has two billion dollars of vaccine manufacturer stock.

00:11:00.000 They said that I was wrong because the vaccine manufacturer has no editorial control over what they say.

00:11:07.000 But I never said that.

00:11:09.000 And as if it matters, to be honest.

00:11:09.000 Right.

00:11:10.000 Right.

00:11:12.000 Fact check program!

00:11:12.000 I didn't say they had editorial control.

00:11:14.000 What's the name of the company that's taking the $2 billion from Johnson & Johnson?

00:11:18.000 Robert Wood Johnson.

00:11:20.000 They were started with Johnson & Johnson stock.

00:11:23.000 It's one of the founders of Johnson & Johnson.

00:11:25.000 And they say they're trying to diversify it, but the reality is they still hold $2 billion and they're getting money from that.

00:11:32.000 Do you know how much of it is earmarked for propaganda?

00:11:35.000 I guess if that's the right word.

00:11:36.000 Well, they give it to factcheck.org and their entire program, which is probably not a big program, it's like one leftist reporter from Pennsylvania somewhere, is funded with it.

00:11:46.000 And then they just pay for ads with it or something?

00:11:48.000 Like Facebook ads?

00:11:49.000 They hire people.

00:11:50.000 Yeah, they pay this one reporter who's not a scientist.

00:11:54.000 So think about it.

00:11:55.000 The taxpayers are funding the people to be in charge of what's information and what's misinformation.

00:12:01.000 What gets me is that makes no sense.

00:12:02.000 If you draw a six on a table and you ask one guy, what is that?

00:12:04.000 He says it's six.

00:12:05.000 The other guy says it's a nine.

00:12:06.000 And then the fact checkers come in and they get to decide which one of us is right.

00:12:09.000 And they get to decide who gets banned, who gets demonetized, who gets removed.

00:12:12.000 Yep.

00:12:13.000 Here's what I love about the science change, like that Liana Nguyen woman or whatever, is that her name?

00:12:17.000 Yes, that's a CNN doctor.

00:12:19.000 She's like, the science changed and now all of a sudden they're trying to reopen and end the COVID restrictions.

00:12:23.000 My problem with this is we have a ton of studies coming out of India and Sweden that say certain things.

00:12:30.000 So just leave it at that.

00:12:31.000 That's not the science changing.

00:12:33.000 Those studies are bad.

00:12:35.000 Then all of a sudden one study comes out and they say, oh, look, the science changed and we're going to change our policy.

00:12:39.000 What?

00:12:41.000 No, they're picking and choosing what is the science.

00:12:43.000 Apparently Dr. Fauci himself is the science, and he decides, and then that's the direction they go.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, I mean, if you criticize him, you're criticizing science.

00:12:50.000 But on the note of these fact-checkers, when you look at Snopes, for example, a couple years ago there was a huge controversy where they were fact-checking the Babylon Bee, which publishes satire articles.

00:13:00.000 And part of the issue with that is it was actually Demoting their content in the algorithm and just to give you an insight into how honest this organization is referring to Snopes They double down on this instead of admitting that it was ridiculous to fact-check satire and they said we Conducted a study which showed that a lot of people believe these articles are real.

00:13:21.000 Well, this is what they did They took headlines that were obviously jokes and rewarded them to sound like they weren't jokes So one example was Democrats vow to close dangerous gun buying loophole known as the Second Amendment and that was a Babylon B article It was reworded by Snopes to say, Cory Booker is one of several prominent Democrats to describe the Second Amendment as a dangerous loophole that allows people to buy guns.

00:13:41.000 And then they asked people if they thought that was a real story.

00:13:45.000 And when people said yes, they said, see, that means they believe the satirical Babylon Bee headline was true.

00:13:50.000 It's true.

00:13:51.000 It's truly amazing, isn't it?

00:13:52.000 Well, they're in charge of the information, or at least they've put themselves in charge of the information.

00:13:57.000 But just as Thomas was just pointing out, the taxpayers are funding them to be in charge of the information.

00:14:03.000 By the way, quick story.

00:14:04.000 When the vaccines first came out, the Pfizer data, the top line data was out there and the CDC issued a report and said that it was the vaccine data showed that the vaccine was 92% efficacious if you'd already had COVID.

00:14:20.000 And I thought, well, that's a remarkable claim.

00:14:23.000 And so I went and looked at the data and it showed it was there was actually a negative correlation for those who had already had COVID if they took the vaccine.

00:14:30.000 This is Pfizer's own trial data.

00:14:32.000 So I'm a congressman.

00:14:34.000 I called up the CDC and they took my call.

00:14:37.000 Surprising, right?

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:38.000 And the director in Washington, D.C.

00:14:42.000 said, I'll get my top scientists on the line.

00:14:43.000 I said, I think it's a typo.

00:14:45.000 So she she calls me back with their top scientists.

00:14:48.000 And she said, We're going to call you Eagle Eye Massey.

00:14:51.000 We don't know how we printed this.

00:14:53.000 It's a mistake.

00:14:54.000 We don't know how it made it in here.

00:14:56.000 And I was like, well, OK, well, you're going to fix it, right?

00:14:59.000 Oh, yeah, we'll fix it.

00:15:00.000 And they said, so are you going to are you going to do an errata?

00:15:04.000 Are you going to change the PDF that's up there?

00:15:06.000 Like I got into the technicalities.

00:15:09.000 And so I thought it was all fixed.

00:15:11.000 The vaccine comes out.

00:15:13.000 Older people in Kentucky couldn't get it because younger people were taking it who had already had COVID.

00:15:19.000 But the data was never fixed.

00:15:20.000 The data was never a month later.

00:15:22.000 Somebody said, oh, the CDC says this.

00:15:24.000 I went back and looked.

00:15:24.000 They never fixed the lie.

00:15:27.000 And the lie is obvious.

00:15:29.000 It's knowable today.

00:15:30.000 So you're saying there's a negative correlative data, meaning that after someone received the vaccine, or if someone had received COVID and then they got vaccine, there was less resistance than if they hadn't had COVID and got the vaccine?

00:15:38.000 It was minus 7%, but they had so little data, it's hard to draw any conclusion.

00:15:44.000 Like the fact that they even claimed they could say it was 92% was ridiculous.

00:15:48.000 This is early on.

00:15:50.000 This was when the vaccine first came out.

00:15:52.000 This was December 14th of 2020.

00:15:58.000 Right.

00:15:58.000 Well, as it's gone on, though, we've learned more.

00:16:01.000 But really, the truth is, when they're talking about the science changing, like she was talking about on CNN, y'all, it has nothing to do with science.

00:16:08.000 It's all about polling.

00:16:09.000 It's about politics.

00:16:10.000 And this is an election year.

00:16:11.000 And this is why Democrats are starting to loosen up.

00:16:14.000 We saw New Jersey taking away their mask mandates, other states, and they're easing off because they know they're in trouble.

00:16:20.000 This is a major issue.

00:16:21.000 Parents do not want their kids masked.

00:16:22.000 I will issue the obligatory talk to your medical professional about what's right for you.

00:16:27.000 Absolutely.

00:16:28.000 Data changes, so make sure you're double-checking a lot of the stuff because, you know, we don't have anything pulled up.

00:16:33.000 But YouTube is very, very gruesome these days.

00:16:36.000 By the way, I have recordings of those phone calls.

00:16:38.000 That's what I was going to ask you.

00:16:39.000 Do you normally record everything when you make calls to these people?

00:16:41.000 No, I normally do not.

00:16:43.000 It's not something I would ever do with another congressman, for instance.

00:16:46.000 Do you publish them?

00:16:48.000 I gave them to Cheryl Atkinson, who did sort of an expose and she picked the portions of the phone calls.

00:16:54.000 I mean, there's like an hour of recordings because I had five or six.

00:16:58.000 I should just release them all.

00:17:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:17:01.000 Well, let's talk about the polling data and how it's changing.

00:17:03.000 So, you know, Marjorie, you're just mentioning It's not about science, it's about polling.

00:17:07.000 Right.

00:17:08.000 Now we're seeing, you know, New York, Illinois, you mentioned New Jersey, they're starting to pull back on their mandates.

00:17:13.000 We have this story from TimCast.com.

00:17:15.000 President Biden's approval rating falls below 40% according to NewPoll.

00:17:19.000 The rate marks an all-time average low for Biden at 39.8 in the RealClearPolitics average.

00:17:27.000 That is, I believe, like two or three points lower than where Donald Trump was at the same time in his presidency.

00:17:34.000 I think it's fair to say the Democrats have gotten the message.

00:17:37.000 When you look at civics data, it's a website, civics spelled with a Q, you can see that on economics, on COVID, on the direction of government, independent voters and Republicans are very much in alignment. 0.81

00:17:51.000 Republicans absolutely think the economy is trash.

00:17:54.000 Independent voters think the economy is very, very bad. 0.94

00:17:57.000 Democrat voters think the economy is good.

00:17:59.000 Somehow, I don't know why, they must be watching too much CNN.

00:18:02.000 Yes.

00:18:02.000 But that tracks true for almost every issue.

00:18:04.000 Wow.

00:18:05.000 Black Lives Matter support the COVID response.

00:18:08.000 Democrats think Joe Biden did a great job. 0.86

00:18:10.000 Independent voters, Republicans are kind of like, Republicans are like, it's miserable.

00:18:14.000 Independent voters are like, it's pretty bad. 0.86

00:18:16.000 So, you know, it's weird that we have Democrats, the voter base, believing something that most Americans, or at least independent voters, Republicans, don't.

00:18:27.000 I think obviously it's media, but I think the media narrative is breaking.

00:18:31.000 That's why Democrats are going down in the polls.

00:18:33.000 So it's not even just the polls.

00:18:35.000 It's that they've lost control of the narrative, which results in the polls tanking, which results in them saying whatever they got to say to try and win, especially this year.

00:18:43.000 I totally agree.

00:18:44.000 Well, you can't lie to people over and over when they see something different in their everyday life.

00:18:49.000 When they're going to the gas pump and gas is up to almost $4 a gallon.

00:18:53.000 When they're going to the grocery store and the store shelves are empty and food prices have gone up.

00:18:58.000 And then when they're taking their kids to school and their children are healthy and their children are just fine after two years of COVID-19, but yet they're still being forced to wear masks.

00:19:07.000 And then there's children, you know, suffering like with speech therapy and different type of You know, special needs kids, these masks are terrible for them.

00:19:15.000 And so, yeah, it is a real issue, and you can't lie to people over and over again on the news when they see something different in their everyday life.

00:19:23.000 Stacey Abrams.

00:19:24.000 Melissa Slotkin.

00:19:26.000 You know, Stacey Abrams sitting down with all these kids wearing masks and she's not doing it. 1.00

00:19:29.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 I mean, they're basically telling you they don't care.

00:19:32.000 Let me say something about Stacey Abrams because she's running for governor in my state. 1.00

00:19:32.000 They don't care. 1.00

00:19:36.000 That picture was infuriating to me.

00:19:38.000 I'm a mom.

00:19:39.000 I've got three kids.

00:19:40.000 Now, my kids are older, but Stacey Abrams, she is in the high, one of the highest risk factors for COVID-19.

00:19:45.000 She's obese. 1.00

00:19:46.000 She is. 0.80

00:19:47.000 She's obese. 1.00

00:19:48.000 I'm not trying to say anything terrible about anyone, but that is the state of her health.

00:19:52.000 She's sitting on the floor without a mask in front of all these children who are not at high risk of COVID-19.

00:19:59.000 Those are the facts.

00:20:00.000 That's on the CDC.

00:20:01.000 That is the data.

00:20:02.000 That science has not changed.

00:20:04.000 She sits there without a mask.

00:20:06.000 I mean, it was infuriating to me.

00:20:08.000 There's no way parents in Georgia to want that woman to be the governor of our state when that's how she views children. 1.00

00:20:15.000 That she is better than them and that they have to sit there with a mask on while she gets to take hers off. 0.54

00:20:21.000 Why did she do it? 1.00

00:20:21.000 Do you guys know? 1.00

00:20:22.000 What was the purpose of that photo?

00:20:23.000 It was really, really bad.

00:20:25.000 It's not the first time we've seen a Democrat who advocates for masks not wear one.

00:20:29.000 A picture recently of Obama.

00:20:31.000 We saw Nancy Pelosi getting her hair done.

00:20:33.000 We saw Whitmer, the same thing. 0.99

00:20:34.000 I think they're just liars. 0.95

00:20:36.000 They're lying about how they really feel about masks. 0.63

00:20:39.000 Do you see that video of Rashida Tlaib?

00:20:43.000 She's on camera saying something like, I only wear this when the Republicans are around or they're filming me or something.

00:20:49.000 It's the weirdest thing.

00:20:50.000 Well, we can talk about masks.

00:20:51.000 I'm going to let Thomas start.

00:20:53.000 In the House of Representatives, there's a rule that you have to wear a mask.

00:20:57.000 But guess what?

00:20:57.000 It only applies when you're in front of cameras.

00:21:00.000 What?

00:21:00.000 Yes.

00:21:01.000 No!

00:21:01.000 Yes.

00:21:02.000 Yes.

00:21:02.000 Either the only place they enforce the rule is in a committee where there are cameras or on the floor of the House.

00:21:09.000 Not in the hallways.

00:21:10.000 And when you go in the hallways, you'll see Democrats take their masks off.

00:21:14.000 It's been that way for over a year.

00:21:16.000 Yeah, it's been that way the whole time for me.

00:21:19.000 Only if there's cameras.

00:21:20.000 But I don't wear mine.

00:21:22.000 Is that codified in the rules?

00:21:24.000 Like it says in the presence of cameras?

00:21:26.000 No, it doesn't say in the presence of cameras.

00:21:28.000 Functionally, they just don't enforce it unless cameras are around.

00:21:31.000 They functionally do not enforce it anywhere but on the floor or in a committee where there are cameras.

00:21:37.000 Where I have over $100,000 in mask fines and my good friend Thomas Massey and I have something fun going on.

00:21:45.000 I'm going to let you tell.

00:21:46.000 So one day Pelosi goes out.

00:21:49.000 The media says, when are you going to lift the masks fines or the masks rule in the House?

00:21:55.000 Because remember, there was a period of time where if you'd been vaccinated, you could take your mask off.

00:21:59.000 Right.

00:21:59.000 And most of Congress had been vaccinated.

00:22:02.000 So they asked Pelosi, and she said, until every member of Congress is vaccinated, everybody's going to wear a mask.

00:22:08.000 And I realized, OK, the mask rule is now morphing into a vaccine rule.

00:22:13.000 And so I organized, I don't want to say I led, but I organized 10 members of Congress, and Marjorie was among them, to go to the floor of the House and notoriously and openly violate this mask rule in front of the C-SPAN cameras.

00:22:27.000 And we were promptly fined for our transgressions.

00:22:31.000 And if she had just sent the bill to Georgia for Marjorie's case, or to Kentucky in my case, she would have been fined. 0.97

00:22:39.000 We would have thrown them in the trash and she wouldn't have got her money. 1.00

00:22:42.000 But what she did is she reduced our salaries. 0.99

00:22:44.000 That's right.

00:22:45.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:22:45.000 Takes it off on the front end. 0.71

00:22:47.000 How does she do that? 1.00

00:22:48.000 Well, she violates the Constitution to do it, because the Constitution says that the salaries are set by law and drawn from the Treasury.

00:22:55.000 To be set by law, a law has to pass the Senate and be signed by the President.

00:23:00.000 The 27th Amendment of the Constitution, the very last one to be ratified, ratified in 1992, but suggested during the Bill of Rights, says that congressional salaries can't vary without an intervening election.

00:23:12.000 Now, why did they do that?

00:23:13.000 A lot of people think it was so we wouldn't give ourselves a raise.

00:23:17.000 That could be partly true, but in reality, if you go back and look at the debates, they decided if anybody could get control of a person's sustenance of their salary, they could bend their will pretty easily.

00:23:28.000 And so they made sure that you couldn't vary it until there was an election.

00:23:32.000 Unless you're rich.

00:23:33.000 Yeah, but even that, I mean, Marjorie's got $100,000 of fines. 1.00

00:23:39.000 Oh, the next thing they did, because they figured out they can't stop me from refusing to wear a mask, because they figured out I truly will not stop doing it no matter how much they fine me, and we are going to have a very successful lawsuit.

00:23:50.000 I'm thrilled about it.

00:23:52.000 He's explained it perfectly.

00:23:54.000 So, they sent a letter.

00:23:55.000 A letter was sent to Sergeant-at-Arms saying that they should put anyone without a mask up into the COVID box, and the public doesn't know about the COVID box because it's not in view of the C-SPAN cameras.

00:24:09.000 The COVID box Nancy Pelosi had it built right before this the vote for Speaker of the House in January of 2021. 0.50

00:24:15.000 It is a plexiglass box up in the corner of the House chamber.

00:24:21.000 Now the plexiglass doesn't go all the way to the ceiling and it's supposed to be the the original design was for any House member to go there if they were sick or having symptoms of COVID-19.

00:24:33.000 It wasn't for well people Unvaccinated people or people without masks. 1.00

00:24:39.000 It was only for sick people.

00:24:41.000 But then, Catherine Clark, who called us.

00:24:43.000 Representative Catherine Clark.

00:24:44.000 Representative Catherine Clark sent a letter to the Sergeant-at-Arms because they're so offended at me or Thomas or anyone not wearing a mask.

00:24:52.000 And they want to put us up in the COVID box.

00:24:55.000 In the penalty box?

00:24:56.000 Yes.

00:24:58.000 This is beyond... When I think about how bad Congress is, you know the first time you came, Marjorie, and explained how they don't even really vote on the bills?

00:25:07.000 They're just like, aye, nay, and then it's just like... It sounds like Congress isn't a real thing.

00:25:12.000 It's like a theater to make Americans think there's something actually being done about our problems.

00:25:17.000 Speaking of theater, do you remember the title of this person who wants us in the box now?

00:25:21.000 Yes.

00:25:22.000 Oh, yes.

00:25:23.000 What was her title?

00:25:23.000 Assistant Speaker.

00:25:24.000 Assistant Speaker of the House.

00:25:26.000 We think that her real title is Assistant to the Speaker.

00:25:29.000 Right.

00:25:30.000 And then she just marked out.

00:25:31.000 That's a joke from The Office by Dwight Shrew.

00:25:34.000 Yes, it is!

00:25:36.000 That's right!

00:25:37.000 The Dwight reference.

00:25:38.000 I think it's funny that we're all sitting here laughing and it sounds like the institution is just completely in decay and falling apart.

00:25:43.000 Oh, it gets worse.

00:25:44.000 We can tell you more.

00:25:45.000 Well, I was the guy that everybody hated.

00:25:48.000 By the way, I was the most hated person in Washington, D.C.

00:25:52.000 Now I'm just the most hated man now that Marjorie is there.

00:25:55.000 But before Marjorie got there in 2020, March 27th, 2020, 10th day of flattening the curve, Congress decided to spend two trillion dollars with nobody there and taking no vote. 0.99

00:26:05.000 This is my favorite story.

00:26:07.000 Thomas Massey story.

00:26:08.000 One of my favorites.

00:26:09.000 I got in the car and drove to Washington D.C.

00:26:12.000 and objected.

00:26:13.000 And I said, the Constitution requires a quorum to be here in order to pass this bill.

00:26:17.000 And they hated me.

00:26:18.000 Nancy Pelosi called me a dangerous nuisance. 1.00

00:26:20.000 Tell them what a quorum is.

00:26:22.000 A quorum would be at least half of Congress needs to show up to pass.

00:26:26.000 Which is how many people?

00:26:26.000 218.

00:26:27.000 How many were there?

00:26:29.000 Well they were going to do it with one in the speaker's chair and one on the floor.

00:26:32.000 They were going to do it with two people.

00:26:34.000 So remember I was telling you they'll pass bills with only a couple people in there saying yes or no?

00:26:40.000 That is exactly what he's talking about.

00:26:41.000 They were going to spend how much money?

00:26:43.000 Two trillion dollars.

00:26:45.000 With two people in there, the speaker and one other person.

00:26:48.000 So they said it was too dangerous for them to come and vote.

00:26:51.000 Meanwhile, they're going to the grocery store and expecting a grocer to be there and somebody to bag their groceries.

00:26:57.000 They expect the truck drivers to be driving.

00:26:59.000 They expect the UPS guy to show up, the nurses to be there.

00:27:03.000 The unvaccinated health care workers.

00:27:05.000 Right.

00:27:05.000 Nobody was vaccinated at the time, by the way.

00:27:08.000 So anyways, I stood up.

00:27:10.000 I objected.

00:27:11.000 I said, I'm here today to make sure that our our republic doesn't die in an empty chamber by unanimous consent.

00:27:17.000 Is it like a cryptographic vulnerability to vote by just vote digitally and then confirm it with a video chat?

00:27:25.000 Well, OK, they they hadn't.

00:27:27.000 By the way, I think they need a constitutional amendment to do that.

00:27:31.000 What they have come up with since then is a vote by proxy, where a human being tells another human being on the floor, vote for me this way, so that they can't be compromised.

00:27:43.000 It's basically human.

00:27:45.000 So it works like this.

00:27:46.000 I say to my friend Thomas Massey, I'm going to just stay in Georgia this week while Congress is in session.

00:27:52.000 Thomas, will you vote for me?

00:27:54.000 And then Thomas goes, sure, I'll be your proxy.

00:27:57.000 And so I can... I've never done this, by the way, and I will not do it.

00:28:01.000 And I haven't either.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, we don't participate.

00:28:03.000 But this is what members of Congress do.

00:28:06.000 Some of them have just hardly ever shown up.

00:28:08.000 Literally hardly ever shown up.

00:28:10.000 And someone else just votes for them all the time.

00:28:12.000 So this is like a representative having a representative.

00:28:14.000 That sounds like they're not doing their job.

00:28:16.000 They are not doing their job unless you count their job as going to fundraisers.

00:28:20.000 I mean, they will literally attend fundraisers instead of coming to vote.

00:28:24.000 Maskless.

00:28:25.000 Do you think term limits will end these nonstop fundraisers?

00:28:29.000 I don't think so.

00:28:31.000 I mean, I've sponsored term limits.

00:28:33.000 I'm for term limits.

00:28:34.000 Let's try it.

00:28:36.000 But the problem is not that the people who've been there a long time sell out.

00:28:41.000 It's the problem is that people get there and sell out on day one.

00:28:45.000 And then you have people who announce their retirements and you would think, well, now

00:28:48.000 they're unchained.

00:28:50.000 They've no obligations and they'll vote their conscience.

00:28:53.000 No.

00:28:54.000 Once they know that they're no longer going to be there, their voting record doesn't improve.

00:28:58.000 If anything, their attendance goes down.

00:29:00.000 And then they get fired by Pfizer or something.

00:29:02.000 The ones that are retiring, I'll give you an example.

00:29:04.000 Adam Kinzinger.

00:29:06.000 Well, we don't know what he is.

00:29:07.000 What is he?

00:29:09.000 Nancy Pelosi's little baby boy.

00:29:12.000 So anyways, Adam Kinzinger, he voted yes with the Democrats' Competes Act last week.

00:29:17.000 He was the only Republican to vote yes for it.

00:29:20.000 So he's not running for Congress again.

00:29:22.000 So he is completely sold out and voting whichever way the Democrats are happy with.

00:29:27.000 But back to Thomas's story.

00:29:30.000 How much of this do you want me to tell?

00:29:32.000 It's up to you.

00:29:33.000 Oh my gosh.

00:29:34.000 I had President Trump yelling at me.

00:29:37.000 He called me up that day for having the audacity to say that members of Congress should show up and vote.

00:29:43.000 Yelling at you for what?

00:29:46.000 I don't know.

00:29:47.000 He was afraid it might slow down the process of getting $2 trillion out the door and $1,200 checks in the mailbox.

00:29:53.000 Well, let's reference when this is.

00:29:55.000 I think I remember this.

00:29:56.000 It was in March of 2020.

00:29:57.000 It was the shutdown.

00:29:59.000 No one knew what COVID was going to do.

00:30:01.000 Everyone was freaking out.

00:30:02.000 People, they didn't know what the outcome was going to be.

00:30:05.000 So President Trump was pushing through.

00:30:08.000 Thomas Massey was trying to say, no, we have to do this correctly.

00:30:11.000 We still have a constitution.

00:30:12.000 It has not gone away.

00:30:13.000 And I'm proud of him.

00:30:15.000 I totally support him for what he did.

00:30:17.000 So he said he would on the phone.

00:30:19.000 He told me he was going to come at me like I'd never seen.

00:30:21.000 Never, never in your life before have you seen the way in which I will come at you.

00:30:25.000 That's awesome.

00:30:27.000 Yeah.

00:30:27.000 I feel like he also reminded me, which is true.

00:30:30.000 He's more popular than me in Kentucky.

00:30:33.000 And he said it would be the end of me.

00:30:36.000 And I tried to tell him this was constitutional and we needed to do it this way and it would still pass anyway because most people were for it.

00:30:43.000 We just couldn't break the Constitution today.

00:30:46.000 And he repeated, you know, I'm coming at you like you've never seen, never in your life before have you seen the way in which I will come at you.

00:30:54.000 And then he said that I was a... I didn't know what that meant, but before I got back to my seat, I found out he said I was a third-rate grandstander.

00:31:04.000 On Twitter.

00:31:05.000 He tweeted about you.

00:31:06.000 On Twitter, yeah.

00:31:07.000 And you're in trouble when that happens.

00:31:09.000 And that I should be thrown out of the GOP and some other stuff.

00:31:12.000 So when I walked out of the floor, having objected and making everybody show up to work, which they hated by the way, they still wouldn't take a recorded vote.

00:31:21.000 Even though they had a quorum, they would not put their names on that bill.

00:31:24.000 And when I walked out, the press wanted to know what I had to say for myself.

00:31:29.000 That my own president had called me a third-rate grandstander.

00:31:32.000 And I looked at him, I said, I was offended.

00:31:34.000 I'm at least second-rate.

00:31:35.000 Did you guys see that story?

00:31:38.000 It was several months ago, actually, but video recently got released of planes coming into New York carrying illegal immigrants, undocumented. 0.95

00:31:46.000 So they were being shuffled into, I think, Tennessee, and the Biden administration was using military flights, Air Force, to bring undocumented kids, illegal immigrants, across the country.

00:31:57.000 We got video released of one of these moments.

00:32:00.000 So there was a big story about these planes landing in Westchester, New York.

00:32:04.000 Video of body camera footage is released of these federal contractors refusing to show ID, refusing to explain what they're doing.

00:32:11.000 The police who are doing security at the airport are like, what is this?

00:32:14.000 This flight is past curfew.

00:32:15.000 You're not supposed to be landing.

00:32:16.000 Who are these people?

00:32:17.000 Where are their IDs?

00:32:18.000 And then one of the federal contractors said something to the effect of, help us if the American people find out what's going on, what we're doing.

00:32:28.000 And the cop says, why?

00:32:28.000 And he goes, because the government has betrayed the people.

00:32:31.000 And that's a line from this leaked footage.

00:32:32.000 The New York Post had this.

00:32:34.000 I see stories like that.

00:32:36.000 And it makes, and everything you're telling me right now.

00:32:38.000 And it really feels to me, you know, one of the reasons the media dislikes you guys so much, especially you Marjorie, is because you are regular people and you've somehow got into the room and they're, they're, they're, you know, they're holding their wine glasses, pinkies out like, Oh heavens!

00:32:53.000 You know, like the help is in here.

00:32:55.000 Like, what do we do?

00:32:55.000 Like the plebeians.

00:32:56.000 I'm pretty sure they said that.

00:32:57.000 You guys both were like basically independently wealthy or had enough that you didn't need to make money out of Congress when you got there, I would imagine.

00:33:05.000 I know you said you had a construction company?

00:33:07.000 Yes, we have a construction company.

00:33:10.000 But for me, it was more about I've got so disappointed in Republicans not doing what they said they were going to do.

00:33:18.000 And I just got so concerned.

00:33:20.000 And I thought, you know what, I'm going to run for Congress and hold them accountable.

00:33:24.000 And actually, I want to be part of a Republican conference.

00:33:27.000 That does the things that say that we say we're about.

00:33:31.000 And also, I mean, I'm I never apologize for this and I and I always say it.

00:33:35.000 I'm very proud.

00:33:36.000 I've always supported President Trump and I loved his policies.

00:33:40.000 And so when I was running for Congress, he was running for reelection for a second term.

00:33:44.000 And that was something I wanted to be a part of.

00:33:46.000 I really wanted to be a part of a Republican member of Congress, hopefully finishing out his America First agenda.

00:33:54.000 Now, I don't like the spending.

00:33:56.000 I'm also honest about that.

00:33:58.000 I want to see our, we should have a balanced budget.

00:34:00.000 Actually, I'd like to see a budget that makes a profit.

00:34:03.000 I'd like to pay off the debt.

00:34:04.000 These are things that I think we should be working towards.

00:34:07.000 But he was the first president that I believed in because I felt like every other politician, and most of the time, they've been selling out our country.

00:34:18.000 For decades, they've moved us into this global economy, which is hurting every single American.

00:34:23.000 That's outside of politics.

00:34:25.000 That's selling our country out.

00:34:27.000 And so, you know, it wasn't about money or a career choice at all for me.

00:34:31.000 It was about, I feel like I have to do this, you know, for my kid's future.

00:34:36.000 And I didn't trust anyone else to do it.

00:34:38.000 When you think about paying off our debt, do you think that we could default on the interest to the Federal Reserve?

00:34:43.000 I think we have serious problems.

00:34:45.000 I don't think our dollar is going to be worth anything pretty soon.

00:34:49.000 And I think China has positioned itself so well.

00:34:53.000 And because of our politicians who have moved us into this, I mean, Hunter Biden should be in jail.

00:35:00.000 But there's many other people, Dianne Feinstein, many other people who have positioned and worked America into this global economy and companies, corporations in their interest, You know, I really worry about the dollar being worth anything at all.

00:35:16.000 With everything we've seen that, you know, inspired you both to get involved in Congress, how optimistic or pessimistic are you?

00:35:23.000 Do you think we're doomed?

00:35:24.000 Do you think, you know, we've got sunshine ahead in our ways?

00:35:27.000 Or what's going on?

00:35:29.000 Well, let me let me clarify something Ian said.

00:35:31.000 First, I'm not independently wealthy.

00:35:33.000 I'm just independent.

00:35:35.000 I live off the grid.

00:35:36.000 We raise a lot of our own food.

00:35:39.000 I don't need the job.

00:35:40.000 If I didn't have the job, we could go back and sustain ourselves on our farm.

00:35:45.000 And so that's where I draw my strength.

00:35:46.000 Not that I've got a big bank account.

00:35:49.000 Yeah, wealth doesn't even mean money.

00:35:50.000 Wealth, you know?

00:35:51.000 Don't need it.

00:35:52.000 We don't need it.

00:35:53.000 So that's where I draw my strength when I go to Mordor, is just what I call it.

00:35:59.000 So are you guys optimistic based on your time?

00:36:01.000 Look, look, I'll put it this way.

00:36:03.000 You've told us a lot already that's like, So I'm jaded, but I'm not apathetic.

00:36:08.000 I still want to fight.

00:36:09.000 But the process is getting worse and worse.

00:36:10.000 through trillions of dollars.

00:36:11.000 And I'm just like, you've got to be particularly jaded at this point, right?

00:36:17.000 So I'm jaded, but I'm not apathetic.

00:36:20.000 I still want to fight, but the process is getting worse and worse.

00:36:24.000 Rank and file members are excluded from the actual legislative process.

00:36:29.000 More and more, the only vote you take that matters is at the beginning of the year when you vote for speaker.

00:36:35.000 And then, basically, there's a top-down structure that's in control of the legislation.

00:36:41.000 This is why, to Ian's point about term limits, there are permanent staff there.

00:36:45.000 I'm not talking about the staff that work in Marjorie's office or my office, but there are—I call them the Deep Congress.

00:36:51.000 There's the staff that will be there when we are long gone and they were there before us and if when they so choose they could go work on K Street or maybe they came from there.

00:37:00.000 Term limits for staff.

00:37:03.000 That would be a big deal.

00:37:04.000 That would be a huge deal because he's right.

00:37:06.000 Thomas is right.

00:37:07.000 The staff never leaves but members of Congress come and go.

00:37:10.000 How do I feel?

00:37:11.000 I always have hope.

00:37:12.000 I'm a Christian.

00:37:13.000 I'm very open about my Christian faith, so I always keep hope, and I think that's the best way to look at every single situation we find ourselves in, no matter how dark it looks.

00:37:23.000 I will tell you what happened this past week, what we found out through one of our colleagues, Troy Nells from Texas.

00:37:30.000 The story he told about one of his staff on November 20th coming into his office during Thanksgiving week, And finding Capitol Police in his office that had been taking pictures of Congressman Nell's whiteboard and things in his office and then questioning his staff without a warrant or anything like that, questioning him about things on the whiteboard, that terrified me.

00:37:56.000 But then we also found out Louie Gohmert, Congressman Louie Gohmert from Texas, also told a story and showed evidence, he actually showed it, of mail that was supposed to come to him to his office.

00:38:08.000 But it went to the Department of Justice and then the Department of Justice had opened the mail, re-stamped it, and then they delivered it to him.

00:38:16.000 That should never happen.

00:38:17.000 And then what I've been through, you know, and our office buildings are closed to the public right now.

00:38:22.000 The public cannot come in unless you get permission from one of our offices.

00:38:26.000 But there's people that work in the building that vandalize and attack signs right outside my office door.

00:38:32.000 And those are people that work in the building.

00:38:34.000 The amount of death threats I receive are in, you know, some of the top of all members of Congress.

00:38:41.000 That concerns me for my own safety.

00:38:43.000 So when we're adding up all these things and we don't know what's going on, it's terrifying.

00:38:49.000 This should never happen in our Congress.

00:38:52.000 Are there no cameras to see the vandals?

00:38:54.000 I've requested for months, I have asked over and over, for the Sergeant-at-Arms and Capitol Police to put a camera in the hallway right above my office.

00:39:03.000 And guess what?

00:39:04.000 No camera.

00:39:05.000 It should be live-streamed.

00:39:06.000 I mean, come on, national security.

00:39:07.000 But they can pay for illegals to fly across the country in the middle of the night.

00:39:11.000 And we haven't voted on that, have we?

00:39:13.000 We have not.

00:39:13.000 In secret.

00:39:14.000 And then the contractors admit to the body cameras that they've betrayed the country.

00:39:18.000 I'm just gonna jump right into that hot tub and say it.

00:39:22.000 If we're at the point where the public is barred from these buildings, and political rivals who work there are vandalizing your offices, when you've got accusations, let alone if it's true, like maybe Troy's wrong about this, maybe the capitalists are right, it doesn't matter.

00:39:38.000 When you have such a hard divide where one side says, Capitol Police dressed as construction workers broke into my office, photographed protected materials, and then interrogated my staff a few days later about it, Civil War.

00:39:51.000 I mean, if the January 6th Committee, if Democratic establishment, uniparty players are willing to use law enforcement and vandalism, physical attacks, To get their way to win?

00:40:02.000 If they're going to subpoena the former administration, his staff, and members of the media, costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars, we are beyond elected representative government.

00:40:13.000 It is now rule by force.

00:40:14.000 Whoever can command the most amount of power.

00:40:17.000 This is the precursor, in my opinion, to hot civil war.

00:40:19.000 Tim, I think you're perfectly phrasing the way most people feel when they're watching what's happening in Washington, D.C.

00:40:27.000 It's not what happens in America.

00:40:29.000 This is what we see happen in communist countries.

00:40:32.000 This is where we see, you know, some people rise up and topple the regime that's in control, and then they become the next dictator.

00:40:40.000 We don't see this in America.

00:40:41.000 I stay away from the term civil war.

00:40:44.000 I do not like it because I don't like violence.

00:40:46.000 I was very upset on January 6th with that riot.

00:40:50.000 It was the worst day of my life.

00:40:51.000 I'd just never seen anything like it.

00:40:53.000 So that is not something I go near, but I will say this shouldn't happen.

00:40:59.000 We shouldn't be treated like political enemies in such a way where they may be spying on, you know, sending people to spy on our legislation Or not protecting our lives, like I feel like they're not protecting my life.

00:41:14.000 Or, you know, putting us, making us go through metal detectors to go vote, where the entire room is on camera.

00:41:21.000 It just, it's totally out of control.

00:41:23.000 One of the things that was floated the last time we talked to you was that Democratic groups are going to try and use lawsuits, the judicial system, to bar you from re-election.

00:41:34.000 And we're seeing that now with Madison Cawthorn.

00:41:36.000 They've filed claiming he's an insurrectionist for speaking at a rally, thus he's ineligible for office.

00:41:42.000 That is shockingly dangerous because what happens when you get a partisan judge who agrees or disagrees and then one side or the other side says, oh, they only issued this ruling because of their affiliation.

00:41:54.000 And then let's say, let's say they do disqualify Madison Cawthorn. 0.78

00:41:58.000 Is he going to just be like, well, I guess I'm not in Congress anymore.

00:42:00.000 Or is he going to say, no, I'm the duly elected representative and I'm going to the Capitol.

00:42:05.000 And then what happens when the police bar him from entry?

00:42:07.000 What happens to the people in his state who expect representation when they don't get it?

00:42:12.000 Well, Marjorie saw this.

00:42:13.000 She was punished for something that happened before she was elected, and they won't even say what it was.

00:42:18.000 She was removed from all of her committees.

00:42:20.000 Now, she was still allowed as a congressperson to be a congressperson, but it's kind of like a second class they're trying to demote her to because she has no committees.

00:42:31.000 The voters litigate this, okay?

00:42:35.000 The voters, there's 750,000 to 800,000 people in every congressional district, and those people and those people alone should decide if you are eligible, if you've done something that disqualifies you.

00:42:49.000 It shouldn't be the party that's in power when you get there who gets to decide.

00:42:53.000 The elections are there for a purpose.

00:42:53.000 That's right.

00:42:55.000 But what Tim's talking about is terrifying.

00:42:57.000 They're trying to actually block Madison Cawthorn from being allowed to be on the ballot in North Carolina.

00:43:03.000 And so that's why he's had to file that lawsuit.

00:43:05.000 But here's something really interesting.

00:43:07.000 So let's turn it a little bit.

00:43:09.000 Maxine Waters went on the ground in Minnesota, not even her home state.

00:43:14.000 She's from California.

00:43:15.000 That's right.

00:43:16.000 So she goes down there and she's, you know, basically inciting a riot, inciting violence.

00:43:22.000 No one moved to block her from being on the ballot.

00:43:25.000 And so that's why this is totally out of control.

00:43:29.000 I agree with Thomas.

00:43:30.000 Elections, it should be up to the people.

00:43:32.000 They should be able to choose who their representative is.

00:43:35.000 But this plan that was launched by Mark Elias, who is the Democrat election attorney, and he tweets about it all the time on his Twitter page, Mark Elias.

00:43:44.000 This is a plan that is way out of bounds, completely out of bounds.

00:43:49.000 I think it's one of the most dangerous things.

00:43:51.000 I mean, look, what's one congressperson anyway?

00:43:54.000 I mean, you want to get your legislation passed, then I would view the Democrats as just, the appropriate thing to say was, let's try and win where we can win and recognize we'll lose where we're going to lose.

00:44:06.000 For them to go out and be like, let's file specialty lawsuits that bypass elections to bar people we don't like from being in Congress, Let me throw it to Pennsylvania, where we had that lawsuit over universal mail-in voting, which has since been ruled unconstitutional, proving the Republicans in that state right, and simultaneously wrong, because they were the ones who negotiated the deal in the first place. 0.93

00:44:27.000 It was stupid, but that's besides the point.

00:44:30.000 When it went to the lower court judge, the lower court judge said, On the merits of this lawsuit, it seems that universal mail-in voting in Pennsylvania violates the Constitution, and the Republicans will likely win on those merits. 0.99

00:44:42.000 It's got to go to a higher court.

00:44:44.000 The higher court's public response was, you guys are Republicans, and you took too long, so you lose.

00:44:51.000 A judge shouldn't be looking at a person and saying, because of your political affiliation, I rule for or against you.

00:44:56.000 So what happens when Madison Cawthorn goes to this, he's filed a countersuit, arguing he is eligible to be on the ballot to run.

00:45:04.000 They go before a judge, maybe the judge is a Democrat.

00:45:07.000 The well-known Democrat judge says, not lawsuits correct, Madison, you're off the ballot.

00:45:12.000 Are the constituents of Madison's district going to be like, okay, we accept that from this judge?

00:45:17.000 Or are they going to say, no, we have voted on this.

00:45:20.000 And what do those people do?

00:45:22.000 And what happens if Madison then goes to Congress and says, the people have chosen me, let me in.

00:45:26.000 And the Capitol police say, no.

00:45:29.000 See, this is where it's getting in very dangerous territory.

00:45:32.000 And that is where people could be invoked to do things they shouldn't have to do.

00:45:38.000 I mean, it's a terrible scenario to even think about.

00:45:41.000 But here's the ultimate goal.

00:45:43.000 What they really want is if they can remove Madison Cawthorn off of the ballot on North Carolina, they can remove President Trump and block him from ever being allowed to be on the ballot in North Carolina.

00:45:54.000 And if a presidential candidate cannot be on one single state, It's impossible to win the election, and it's all about the electoral college votes.

00:46:03.000 It's the count.

00:46:04.000 If he's not on North Carolina, he cannot win if he's running again in 2024.

00:46:08.000 I think it's also more than that.

00:46:11.000 That may be the main thing, but look, it's about intimidating members of Congress because that congressional district in North Carolina is going to send a Republican to Congress.

00:46:22.000 It's not about them trying to get some leverage in the majority and to get another Democrat there.

00:46:28.000 They are trying to silence Madison Cawthorn, and if they can affect that, then they will have intimidated everybody

00:46:35.000 else, and now they'll be more cautious and careful about what

00:46:40.000 they say.

00:46:41.000 And to be honest...

00:46:43.000 Except for Marjorie.

00:46:45.000 Republicans do scare very easily.

00:46:47.000 They're very scared of the New York Times opinion page.

00:46:51.000 Often they're more concerned about the opinion of the New York Times than their own constituents.

00:46:54.000 There are very few politicians in general.

00:46:56.000 I mean, look, the Democrats tend to walk in lockstep.

00:46:59.000 They capitulate to the far left relatively often.

00:47:01.000 The Republicans have a handful of people who are principled and stand up.

00:47:05.000 For the most part, a lot of them are just like, I don't want to offend anybody, I better just play ball.

00:47:10.000 Which is why you end up with Democrats saying, ban all guns, and Republicans saying, no wait, don't.

00:47:16.000 A strong Republican should be saying, unban all the guns!

00:47:19.000 Give them out to everybody!

00:47:19.000 Exactly.

00:47:20.000 Well that's what Thomas says.

00:47:22.000 Exactly, well that's why you guys are promising.

00:47:24.000 This is probably why Dan Crenshaw cancelled on us twice.

00:47:27.000 And I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but it's true.

00:47:30.000 Dan Crenshaw agreed to come on the show.

00:47:32.000 He canceled.

00:47:33.000 He said there was a vote.

00:47:34.000 I said, that's no big deal.

00:47:35.000 You owe us nothing.

00:47:36.000 And, uh, well, they, they communicate, I'm saying personally, but you know, the communications with our producer and then he was supposed to come on yesterday and we got word there was a scheduling conflict.

00:47:45.000 I mean, this is, this is, this is how it goes with the overwhelming majority of politicians.

00:47:49.000 There's very few that actually are principled people who can speak candidly and honestly, and don't have to worry about tripping over their own fake words.

00:47:56.000 Who cancelled today that you had to invite Marjorie and I?

00:48:00.000 We cancelled them!

00:48:00.000 Who cancelled?

00:48:02.000 We were like, everyone get out, Marjorie and Thomas are coming!

00:48:05.000 It was Alex Jones.

00:48:06.000 No it wasn't, I love Alex.

00:48:08.000 I love him.

00:48:08.000 I love Alex.

00:48:09.000 Alex Jones is the greatest.

00:48:10.000 Dude, he's such a kind man.

00:48:11.000 He has been so cancelled.

00:48:13.000 He's a wild entertainer and a brilliant man.

00:48:17.000 Isn't he fantastic?

00:48:18.000 And no one is perfect.

00:48:18.000 No, nothing is perfect.

00:48:19.000 And everyone is capable of incredible violence and incredible love, so... Shout out to Alex Jones, we love you.

00:48:25.000 And I have no problem.

00:48:28.000 They try and... I don't know what these leftist media personalities think they're getting by trying to insult me or accuse me of things.

00:48:35.000 Because I literally don't care and it's not going to change my... I'm never going to bend the knee to their stupid whims or whatever. 1.00

00:48:40.000 Alex Jones is a journalist and member of the media. 1.00

00:48:43.000 End of story.

00:48:44.000 You can say he's wrong.

00:48:45.000 You can say he's fake news.

00:48:46.000 You can accuse him of being incorrect and not fact-checking.

00:48:48.000 And I think there's valid criticism in a lot of what Alex Jones says, absolutely.

00:48:52.000 but he runs a media organization.

00:48:53.000 Yes.

00:48:54.000 And so when the January 6th committee subpoenas him, they are basically violating our First Amendment

00:49:00.000 protections.

00:49:01.000 The press isn't supposed to be, you know, the press can say what they want to say.

00:49:06.000 And, you know, I love, this was really going to offend them all.

00:49:10.000 Alex Jones is a journalist, the same as Brian Stelter and Jake Tapper and Don Lemon are.

00:49:17.000 Absolutely.

00:49:18.000 I was about to say the same thing.

00:49:19.000 Some people are going to be like, don't insult Alex that way.

00:49:21.000 Well, yeah, Alex Jones never lied us into a war.

00:49:24.000 Right, right, right.

00:49:26.000 And why does the New York Times and CNN get to say that Trump is guilty of Russia collusion?

00:49:31.000 That was a literal conspiracy theory.

00:49:31.000 Yes.

00:49:33.000 It's actually proven false.

00:49:34.000 It's a conspiracy theory.

00:49:35.000 Yeah.

00:49:36.000 I want to make a point.

00:49:37.000 You don't have to try and prove you're a journalist to enjoy First Amendment protection.

00:49:40.000 Also, yeah, exactly.

00:49:41.000 There are occasionally, you know, the big newspapers will come to Congress with suggestions

00:49:45.000 for extra protections that they might receive.

00:49:48.000 And it should extend to anybody, whether there's one person listening to your podcast or whether

00:49:54.000 there are 10 million people subscribing to your newspaper.

00:49:58.000 I want to follow up on asking about legalizing guns, because I hear you are interested in that.

00:50:01.000 When you talk about that, Tim sometimes says, repeal the Second Amendment.

00:50:05.000 No, not repeal the second amendment.

00:50:08.000 The opposite of that.

00:50:09.000 What did he say?

00:50:10.000 Repeal all gun laws and make everything like what about nuclear weapons?

00:50:13.000 Repeal the NFA and abolish the ATF.

00:50:15.000 So how far do you take it with destructive weaponry that you think people should be legally

00:50:20.000 allowed to possess?

00:50:21.000 So well, let's look to the purpose.

00:50:23.000 What was the purpose of the Constitution?

00:50:25.000 Why is the Second Amendment in there? 0.60

00:50:27.000 Defense.

00:50:28.000 Well, that's my opinion.

00:50:29.000 I think it's there so that the government doesn't have a monopoly on force like it did in every other country.

00:50:36.000 The people have the right to bear arms in our country.

00:50:39.000 Why is that?

00:50:40.000 It's so that tyranny can't prevail in this country.

00:50:44.000 Can I elaborate on that?

00:50:45.000 I hear that a lot and I think we can go deeper on that.

00:50:47.000 Tyranny doesn't need to come domestically, it can come from foreign adversaries.

00:50:51.000 We can be conquered or we can be corrupted from within.

00:50:54.000 The right of the people to bear arms means that, as that famous apocryphal saying, there's a gun behind every blade of grass.

00:51:01.000 You ain't invading this country.

00:51:03.000 At the same time, tyranny from within.

00:51:05.000 So to Ian's point, where do you draw the line, right?

00:51:08.000 Is it a nuclear weapon?

00:51:09.000 What is it?

00:51:09.000 Well, first of all, let's acknowledge that whatever the police have, To protect you when they get there.

00:51:16.000 You should have until they get there.

00:51:18.000 Okay, so anything any police department owns should be fair game.

00:51:22.000 Whether existing laws would ban it or not.

00:51:26.000 I don't think that one person should be able to take over a country.

00:51:30.000 One person shouldn't have a weapon that enables them to do that.

00:51:34.000 But the people need to have sufficient weapons to throw off tyranny.

00:51:37.000 And it can't be where like 99% agree that it's tyranny.

00:51:41.000 What about cyber weapons?

00:51:43.000 Like, the police has, like, hacking tools and stuff.

00:51:49.000 I don't think that applies to the Second Amendment.

00:51:51.000 Maybe not yet.

00:51:52.000 But I think there's a problem there.

00:51:54.000 There's a problem there with the Fourth Amendment.

00:51:58.000 Are you saying that should people be allowed to have them?

00:52:01.000 It's math.

00:52:01.000 It's software.

00:52:03.000 Like, I don't think you should ban it.

00:52:05.000 There's no force free the software code of any police code.

00:52:08.000 Hold on a second.

00:52:09.000 We need some clarification.

00:52:10.000 Is it illegal to possess malware or a virus?

00:52:14.000 Is it illegal to possess?

00:52:16.000 It is illegal to infect someone's computer with a virus or malware, but is it legal to simply have it?

00:52:21.000 Because if it's not, well, it's legal to have guns, but it's not legal to just go and shoot somebody, right?

00:52:25.000 Yeah.

00:52:26.000 I wonder what levels of tech the police are using right now to spy on people.

00:52:29.000 I know they have things where they can like listen through walls and... It doesn't matter what the technology is.

00:52:34.000 If they're violating the constitution, this is the thing, it's timeless.

00:52:38.000 It says they don't have a warrant.

00:52:40.000 The police should not be able to use that technology, whatever it is.

00:52:43.000 What's that thing they got where they take planes and they have this box that just takes all cell phone data and just breaks it?

00:52:49.000 I forgot what it's called.

00:52:51.000 The police have this technology so whenever there's a big protest, you'll see like a plane fly overhead or they set up mobile cell sites and they have a device that just takes everything, all of your text messages, all of your phone calls, everything, they get it all.

00:53:04.000 They had those at many of the riots during 2020, and I don't know if it's factual, but I'd heard that they had them on January 6th as well.

00:53:14.000 Probably.

00:53:15.000 I wouldn't be surprised if the Capitol has them just placed everywhere, and they're constantly spying on and monitoring everyone's cell phones.

00:53:22.000 So the first part of your question, you say the police, the local police, we should be on par with the police.

00:53:27.000 What about the military?

00:53:30.000 So let's go back to the Revolutionary War, because that's what was fresh in their minds, right?

00:53:34.000 When they wrote these articles, and then later the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

00:53:41.000 You would need, the people need to have sufficient arms that, let's say, if 30 to 40 percent, Tim and I were talking about this before the show, if 30 to 40 percent could agree that this was legitimate tyranny and it needed to be thrown off, they need to have sufficient power without asking for extra permission.

00:54:00.000 It should be right there and completely available to them in their living room in order to affect the change.

00:54:07.000 And you know, Joe Biden, he has that famous quote where he's like, if you want to take on the government, you need, you know, nuclear weapons, which is just not true at all.

00:54:16.000 The crazy thing is fighter jets can't occupy street corners. 0.83

00:54:18.000 Also, how did we lose Afghanistan?

00:54:20.000 Right?

00:54:21.000 It wasn't because they were a nuclear power.

00:54:25.000 The Taliban building nuclear warheads and MIRVs. 0.54

00:54:27.000 The problem would be like if 1% of the population had weapons that were so strong that they could take over.

00:54:32.000 Well, this is a good point because I believe the Second Amendment protects your right to own nuclear weapons.

00:54:40.000 I believe an individual citizen in this country has a right to own a nuclear warhead.

00:54:46.000 But not a delivery device?

00:54:47.000 Oh, all of it.

00:54:48.000 All of it.

00:54:48.000 Well, Tim, what about biological weapons?

00:54:50.000 Absolutely.

00:54:51.000 All of it.

00:54:52.000 All of it.

00:54:54.000 The Second Amendment does not say the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed UNLESS it can kill a certain amount of people. 0.57

00:55:00.000 UNLESS it is a nuclear weapon.

00:55:02.000 UNLESS it's a biological weapon.

00:55:03.000 No, no, no.

00:55:03.000 It says arms.

00:55:04.000 Arms, arms, arms.

00:55:05.000 Biological arms. 0.86

00:55:05.000 Nuclear arms. 0.86

00:55:06.000 It says arms.

00:55:07.000 You got an issue with that?

00:55:09.000 I can certainly understand why.

00:55:10.000 You have to amend the Constitution.

00:55:12.000 You cannot just decide, well, we as a culture hereby agree nuclear weapons are bad, so Constitution doesn't matter anymore.

00:55:18.000 No, then you get together, you have a convention of states, and you say, we all kind of agree.

00:55:22.000 It's not that you want nuclear weapons to be legalized, but principally you think they should be until we amend the Constitution.

00:55:27.000 It should not be hard to amend that.

00:55:28.000 Or do you principally think we should?

00:55:30.000 Do you principally think we should have?

00:55:31.000 Well, hold on there a minute.

00:55:33.000 Um, not necessarily.

00:55:35.000 But I do think it's an interesting point you made, Thomas, that, you know, individuals should have the ability to be at least on par with the police.

00:55:41.000 I mean, the police have a ton of technology and weapons, like LRADs, acoustic weapons.

00:55:45.000 They have, they've experimented with light weapons and other things that we don't have access to.

00:55:49.000 They also have, I'm pretty sure police have select fire rifles, which are regulated under the NFA, which we, which we have very difficult time getting.

00:55:55.000 But if we're talking about, let's say we're going to look at the purpose of the Second Amendment.

00:56:00.000 And that's why I wanted to add that portion where it's not just about domestic threats.

00:56:04.000 The idea that you have armed militia ready and waiting means that if a foreign adversary comes in, the local farmer is able to come out and fight instead of being disarmed.

00:56:12.000 Well, that's happening though.

00:56:14.000 Just in the event that China lands U-boats on the shores of California, and they've got high-grade military tech, directed energy weapons, scud missiles, whatever, well, not scud missiles, but cruise missiles, what do the American people have to resist that as they invade, if they invade? 0.87

00:56:30.000 And it could happen here.

00:56:31.000 Can I give you a case that's not that abstract?

00:56:33.000 Yeah.

00:56:33.000 And may certainly be in play?

00:56:36.000 I think Putin's calculus in Ukraine is not whether it takes him four hours or four days to establish air dominance over that country, because it's certainly not more than four weeks, right?

00:56:48.000 The question for Putin is, once you do that, are your soldiers willing to walk out in the street when somebody in a jogging suit or in their pajamas, some grandma in her pajamas in an apartment building in Kiev decides to blow your brains out, and you're just a soldier from Russia that wants to go home and be with his wife and kids?

00:57:06.000 Exactly.

00:57:07.000 That ultimately is the calculus that Putin is making.

00:57:11.000 It's a calculus anybody should make before you go into Afghanistan or something like that.

00:57:16.000 Do the people who own the stuff, is a certain minority, a certain group of them, willing to defend it with their life?

00:57:26.000 If they're not, then it's not their country.

00:57:29.000 It won't be their country for long. 0.99

00:57:31.000 A dictator will take over, internally or externally.

00:57:34.000 And what weapons do they have?

00:57:35.000 Are they willing to die for it?

00:57:36.000 And what weaponry are they willing to use?

00:57:39.000 That's a fantastic allegory.

00:57:40.000 Thank you.

00:57:41.000 Well, I think one way we can look at this, I know in Georgia right now, we really want constitutional carry.

00:57:46.000 That's something that's being pushed very hard.

00:57:49.000 I believe the Georgia Senate is about to pass it.

00:57:51.000 We're hoping that the House will pass it and our governor will sign it into law.

00:57:55.000 But talking about people invading our country, that's happening at the southern border every single day.

00:58:01.000 And you talk about farmers, we had a House Freedom Caucus, we had a panel, and we had Border Patrol agents come in, and many different people, and one of them was a retired Border Patrol agent, and he has a family farm that is right there at the border, and he was telling the stories of He hates to leave his house because he'll be leaving his wife and young children there by themselves and they constantly have illegal aliens coming right across their yard, right by the house.

00:58:30.000 They have them come up to the door and he feels that he has to be there all of the time to defend his wife and children because he has guns.

00:58:39.000 And so when you talk about a country being invaded, we are a country being invaded.

00:58:44.000 We're being invaded nonstop every single day at the southern border because the current administration refuses to secure our border.

00:58:52.000 And so it is a serious issue.

00:58:53.000 The Second Amendment is so important.

00:58:55.000 And yeah, I believe we have to be able to have our guys.

00:58:58.000 I think that was an understatement.

00:59:00.000 Not that they're refusing to secure our borders, but they're aiding and abetting people who are entering illegally.

00:59:05.000 The Biden administration has been taking these people and putting them on planes and flying them to other states, when the biggest stories, the biggest scandals was in Republicans in Tennessee got wind that in the dead of night, they were bringing underage undocumented children via military plane into their state without telling them, and then just releasing them into communities.

00:59:05.000 Yes.

00:59:25.000 I mean, look, That is beyond just having a weak border.

00:59:29.000 That is, hey, let's taxi you to wherever you need to go and we'll help you get there.

00:59:33.000 I mean, that's insane to me.

00:59:34.000 And it's worse than that.

00:59:35.000 Look at what we do with foreign aid.

00:59:38.000 Every year we send just millions and billions of dollars in foreign aid to these countries.

00:59:44.000 Guatemala, Central America, Mexico, all of these countries, we send this money to these basically these governments that aren't taking care of their people and we don't even know what they're doing with that money.

00:59:56.000 We don't even demand an account.

00:59:57.000 I would like to see an account of what are you doing with this money.

01:00:00.000 Personally, I'd like to cut it all off and keep all that money back here at home.

01:00:04.000 But then these countries, these leaders, these governments who we're paying Send their people, they just let them go and send them up here to invade our country. 0.99

01:00:14.000 I mean, this is insanity and it should just never be happening.

01:00:16.000 Rather than us giving foreign aid to other countries, why doesn't the Federal Reserve just print the money for them and leave us out of it?

01:00:23.000 Well, what's the difference?

01:00:24.000 Why do we have to pass it through our government just to make us feel good about it?

01:00:27.000 It's still flooding, saturating the market.

01:00:30.000 Yeah, well, document it and cut out the middleman.

01:00:33.000 By the way, a lot of those $1,200 checks went to people overseas who were not Americans, didn't have a green card.

01:00:40.000 Oh, I see.

01:00:40.000 Because then there's little to no oversight because we have yet to audit the Federal Reserve.

01:00:44.000 We haven't done that.

01:00:45.000 Yeah, we do need to do that.

01:00:46.000 We should totally audit the Fed.

01:00:49.000 So let me ask you some questions.

01:00:51.000 You're stripped of your committees.

01:00:52.000 Are you able to write up bills and stuff?

01:00:55.000 What does that mean?

01:00:56.000 Oh yeah, I can write bills, submit bills.

01:01:00.000 I've co-sponsored some of Thomas Massey's bills.

01:01:02.000 He's co-sponsored some of mine.

01:01:05.000 We are totally all about getting rid of Anthony Fauci.

01:01:05.000 Fire Fauci.

01:01:09.000 No, I operate completely as all the other members of Congress.

01:01:13.000 I just don't have to be a Republican that sits on a useless committee because Democrats are fully in charge right now.

01:01:19.000 Actually, it's been a great thing.

01:01:20.000 I think I've had the advantage of learning more and working harder on the outside.

01:01:24.000 being without committees in this Congress, especially when Republicans are in the minority.

01:01:30.000 But the good news is I get committees back the next time.

01:01:33.000 Okay. Have either of you drafted legislation to either repeal the NFA, abolish the ATF,

01:01:39.000 or audit the Fed?

01:01:40.000 Abolish the ATF.

01:01:42.000 You did that one.

01:01:43.000 Yes.

01:01:44.000 Beautiful.

01:01:44.000 Yes.

01:01:45.000 Yes, very good.

01:01:46.000 I've introduced Audit the Fed every year that I've been in Congress.

01:01:49.000 Oh, every year?

01:01:49.000 Yeah.

01:01:49.000 I should have known that.

01:01:50.000 I've got to make sure I'm a co-sponsor.

01:01:50.000 I co-sponsored it.

01:01:52.000 And does Rand Paul do that in the Senate, I believe?

01:01:55.000 He's big on that, isn't he?

01:01:57.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:01:57.000 Oh, I'm on it.

01:01:58.000 Him and Bernie were working on that, weren't they?

01:02:01.000 Interestingly enough, Bernie's had a change of heart.

01:02:03.000 Bernie was all for it when he was in the House, and a lot of these senators were for it when they were in the House.

01:02:09.000 We've passed it through the House, and then it goes to the Senate, and then people magically had this epiphany when they got to the Senate that we shouldn't audit the Fed.

01:02:17.000 Yeah, it's kind of like how he had that magic epiphany that millionaires weren't bad anymore once he became one.

01:02:22.000 Now it's just billionaires.

01:02:23.000 Right.

01:02:24.000 If you want to have a house, you can write a book.

01:02:26.000 Write a good book.

01:02:26.000 It's true.

01:02:27.000 You can do it.

01:02:28.000 By the way, I was getting, when Trump was going to name Betsy DeVos to be the Secretary of Education, I got swamped with phone calls.

01:02:36.000 People were telling me not to vote for her.

01:02:38.000 And we had to explain, I'm in the House, I'm not in the Senate, so... Clearly, the education system has failed you on this point, but...

01:02:46.000 But she knows about CRT.

01:02:47.000 You know, look, they said they the people said that that's just an excuse.

01:02:51.000 We know you can do something.

01:02:52.000 So I did.

01:02:53.000 I wrote a bill, a one sentence bill, because my colleagues, a lot of them don't have a

01:02:58.000 long attention span.

01:03:00.000 It says that and I've reintroduced it.

01:03:02.000 It says the Department of Education shall terminate on December 31st, 2022.

01:03:08.000 And that's the entire bill.

01:03:10.000 So now when they call up and they're mad, or when they were calling up and they were mad, I said, well, you know, I've introduced a bill to eliminate her job.

01:03:18.000 So you don't have to worry about it.

01:03:20.000 Because I don't think that the president or his appointees should decide how or what your children learn.

01:03:25.000 Amen.

01:03:26.000 Yeah.

01:03:26.000 Amen.

01:03:26.000 It's funny how when it's, you know, Donald Trump, they agree with you, but then as soon as you get a Biden, they're like, well, hold on there a minute.

01:03:32.000 I'm kind of okay with it now.

01:03:33.000 My problem with repeat with, um, ending the education department is that it ends a lot of people's livelihoods.

01:03:38.000 So a lot of people behind the scenes are like, yo, F that we're going to, we're going to stop him.

01:03:42.000 But if you can transmute the department into some other useful tool or function, same with the federal reserve.

01:03:47.000 I don't want to just want to cancel it.

01:03:49.000 I want to create a new economic structure and then, you know, port over.

01:03:52.000 But Ian, the other day you were sort of making a point about automation and how it's inevitable and we don't want people to do jobs that aren't useful and if the Department of Education is unnecessary, those people should just be occupying different segments of the economy.

01:04:02.000 I've got those numbers.

01:04:03.000 There are 4,000 people at the Department of Education.

01:04:06.000 None of them have written a book or taught a class.

01:04:08.000 They make an average of $100,000 a piece.

01:04:11.000 Wow!

01:04:11.000 We could take that money and send it to the states where the states could collect it and it doesn't have to go through federal hands and they could hire more teachers.

01:04:24.000 Imagine doing an actual job.

01:04:26.000 Like a trade.

01:04:27.000 A real job.

01:04:28.000 Building houses and cleaning sewers.

01:04:30.000 Being a truck driver.

01:04:33.000 I think truck drivers do pretty well.

01:04:34.000 A podcaster.

01:04:35.000 They do.

01:04:35.000 But imagine this.

01:04:36.000 Making cartoons.

01:04:37.000 You're working hard.

01:04:39.000 You're driving your truck.

01:04:40.000 Long haul, long nights, cross country, away from your family.

01:04:44.000 And then some bureaucrat in the Department of Education is getting six figures to do what?

01:04:49.000 And your taxes are paying for them.

01:04:51.000 It's insane, right?

01:04:52.000 And it's the party of empathy and compassion who cares about the working class that is ensuring that this will always be the state of affairs.

01:04:57.000 They're for the worker.

01:04:58.000 For the worker.

01:04:59.000 If we cancel it, we'd have to free up $400 million, which would translate to, I think, $8 million per state.

01:04:59.000 Exactly.

01:05:04.000 Is that what that comes out to?

01:05:05.000 To hire teachers.

01:05:05.000 For teachers?

01:05:06.000 That could be a mass movement.

01:05:08.000 Should be a mass movement.

01:05:10.000 Yes, yes, but is it also possible that you both could just introduce more legislation to terminate more departments within the government?

01:05:17.000 I personally think we shouldn't pass bills and create more departments.

01:05:21.000 We need to get rid of departments. 0.54

01:05:22.000 We need to reduce the size of the federal government.

01:05:25.000 That is the biggest problem.

01:05:27.000 It's out of control.

01:05:28.000 So I like where you're going with this, you know, it's one sentence, the Department of Education will terminate.

01:05:31.000 Have you considered that for any other department?

01:05:33.000 CDC would be at the top of my list.

01:05:36.000 Why is that?

01:05:37.000 Because they're counter to health policy.

01:05:39.000 Exactly.

01:05:40.000 They've not just been a benign waste of money.

01:05:43.000 They have been hurtful to health.

01:05:46.000 It's not economy versus health.

01:05:48.000 By solely focusing on the virus, they have neglected suicide, diabetes, heart disease.

01:05:55.000 But is this an issue of government failure?

01:05:56.000 But is this an issue of government failure?

01:06:02.000 Is there a private response that would have been better?

01:06:04.000 I think the Department of Justice is one we should seriously look at.

01:06:07.000 They have weaponized and gone after parents that are going to school boards demanding about how their children are being educated, how their children are being treated at school.

01:06:18.000 The Department of Justice has completely gone way past their bounds.

01:06:23.000 You guys ever see that movie with Robin Williams?

01:06:26.000 He's the comedian who becomes president by accident or he runs for office?

01:06:26.000 What was it called?

01:06:30.000 What was that called?

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:31.000 We watched it and it's kind of a weird movie because it really feels like propaganda almost.

01:06:38.000 You know, we had this period where, where, you know, Jon Stewart was very popular and

01:06:43.000 people were like, Jon Stewart should run for office with Stephen Colbert or whatever.

01:06:46.000 And this movie comes out where it turns out the comedian realizes he shouldn't be president

01:06:50.000 and the people don't want a populist leader.

01:06:52.000 They want experts who know what to do.

01:06:53.000 And I watched that movie.

01:06:54.000 I'm just, I just find it so strange.

01:06:56.000 But uh, but, but anyway, if you're looking for an analog to what's really going on, watch

01:07:00.000 Idiocracy.

01:07:01.000 Oh, definitely. 0.90

01:07:04.000 Here's my point.

01:07:04.000 Electrolytes.

01:07:05.000 That's what plants crave.

01:07:07.000 We have these tropes that the people want a down-to-earth, funny guy to be the president or the leader, and you end up with a Trump.

01:07:16.000 And I'm like, I'm wondering if the people would just accept politicians who are like, once I get in, I'm going to vote to shut it all down.

01:07:21.000 That's all I'll do.

01:07:22.000 You get your money back, you figure out what you want to do with it, and then we're going to shut down all these departments across the board.

01:07:28.000 They want to dream.

01:07:29.000 They want to close their eyes and see the world that you're envisioning.

01:07:33.000 I think some people do.

01:07:35.000 Some people do want that.

01:07:36.000 Yeah, I mean, I think, to be honest, that's someone I would vote for.

01:07:40.000 Now, maybe I'm a niche voter here, but one thing I really appreciate about both of you is that you're actually talking about reducing the size and scope of government and terminating some of these agencies.

01:07:49.000 And interestingly enough, whenever someone who's conservative tries to do that and tries to go back to the way things were, as a conservative is supposed to, they're called an extremist.

01:07:57.000 All the establishment conservative is supposed to do is either, A, try to maintain the sides of the government and maintain the institutions which were all set up by big government leftists in years prior.

01:08:10.000 And the moment anyone tries to do more than that and reduce the size and scope of government, they're an extremist.

01:08:14.000 Can I explain the feedback mechanism that causes that to happen in Congress?

01:08:18.000 Please do.

01:08:19.000 So you get selected for committees based on, it's almost like a beauty pageant, and the lobbyists are the judges.

01:08:28.000 Wow.

01:08:28.000 And the lobbyists who have their interests in front of those committees.

01:08:32.000 And so you have to get cheerleaders on K Street who want you to be on that committee and oversee their stuff.

01:08:39.000 So you're already self-selected for perpetuating their things.

01:08:43.000 So that's why on the Armed Services Committee, even when Republicans get in charge, they're not likely to repeal the vaccine mandate because they are doing, in large part, what the generals do.

01:08:55.000 When I was on the Science Committee, NASA.

01:08:58.000 The people at NASA write those bills and send them over and say, this is what we want.

01:09:03.000 And the congressmen are so busy and can't understand most of it.

01:09:07.000 They rubber stamp it and it rolls through.

01:09:09.000 And maybe some of it goes to their district because they were chosen to be on that committee because they have something in their district that that committee funds.

01:09:17.000 And it's important to their constituents so that once they get on, they want to keep funding it.

01:09:21.000 How do we solve this?

01:09:23.000 National divorce.

01:09:25.000 Yeah, but that always will result in a civil war.

01:09:27.000 It shouldn't.

01:09:28.000 It doesn't have to.

01:09:29.000 So just like a married couple that decides that, you know, we can no longer be married.

01:09:34.000 This is not working.

01:09:36.000 They resolve the situation in a court, right?

01:09:38.000 They don't actually go to war or they shouldn't try to kill each other.

01:09:42.000 Maybe some of them do.

01:09:43.000 I don't know.

01:09:44.000 But they dissolve it.

01:09:45.000 They dissolve their marriage in a court.

01:09:48.000 And so essentially really what national divorce should look like is it should go back to how our nation is founded.

01:09:54.000 Where state rights were far more important than the federal government. And the federal government's

01:09:59.000 role should be reduced down to a very small role. And state rights should be so strong. And

01:10:05.000 so that, you know, if you want to live in a state where everyone has to be vaccinated,

01:10:10.000 everyone has to wear three masks, at least three, maybe four. And then you want to have a more

01:10:16.000 communist style state government.

01:10:18.000 And CRTs taught in the schools?

01:10:20.000 CRT, absolutely. And all of these radical things are what we call radical, but they may love it.

01:10:26.000 Sounds like Massachusetts.

01:10:28.000 Or California.

01:10:29.000 But they should be able to have that.

01:10:31.000 And then if you're like Kentucky or Georgia even, or Florida, you want to have a more conservative, pro-traditional family values, let's say that you want to say no, you can choose to be vaccinated or you can choose to wear a mask, and you want to have a more free government, you should be able to have it.

01:10:49.000 And then there's no interference.

01:10:50.000 The federal government's not going to shrink itself.

01:10:53.000 So here's the issue, though.

01:10:55.000 We had Ron Perlman, he's the celebrity who played Hellboy, come out recently and say, Republican states should leave and we should leave.

01:11:00.000 And this discussion about national divorce has been around for a long time, but what people don't understand is that's exactly what happened in the first Civil War.

01:11:06.000 It wasn't like you had all of the states fighting in Congress and then all of a sudden started shooting each other.

01:11:11.000 In fact, what actually happened first was several states said, we out.

01:11:14.000 And they went, okay, bye.

01:11:16.000 And then I actually pulled it up from the Library of Congress.

01:11:19.000 In January of 1861, you had 11 states seceding to form the Confederacy.

01:11:24.000 And Lincoln hadn't even been inaugurated until March.

01:11:28.000 It wasn't until the South started seizing forts that the North said, hey, you can't do this.

01:11:34.000 So what would happen in the event of a national divorce?

01:11:36.000 Sure, you know, California, Illinois, New York might be like, we're going to Canada or something.

01:11:41.000 But then all of a sudden you're going to have one state's got a nuclear arsenal and they're going to say, we're the true government of United States of America and those nukes belong to us.

01:11:51.000 And then, uh, one of these states is whichever faction is in control of DC or whatever.

01:11:56.000 They're going to say, no, it's ours.

01:11:57.000 You can't take it.

01:11:59.000 And we're going to then, you know, relocate these weapons.

01:12:01.000 And that's, that's basically what happened with Fort Sumter.

01:12:03.000 Let me give two examples of successful secession in history that everybody knows about and everybody forgets about.

01:12:11.000 And one's very specific to your case.

01:12:14.000 Ukraine used to be part of the Soviet Union, and they left.

01:12:19.000 There were a lot of those Well, I mean, the Soviet Union collapsed, so... Did it?

01:12:25.000 I mean, wouldn't the Soviet Union call it a collapse if America sort of fragmented?

01:12:31.000 They would look at us and say, oh, your federal government got so unwieldy.

01:12:33.000 That's true, that's true.

01:12:34.000 And you overextended your Federal Reserve and your army, and you collapsed under your own weight, and now you're separate states.

01:12:41.000 Okay, so it's been done there, but it's also been done in the United States.

01:12:41.000 That's true.

01:12:45.000 There's one example, and I was born in the state that seceded that nobody talks about, and it successfully seceded.

01:12:51.000 West Virginia. June of 1861, residents of the western counties of Virginia did not wish to

01:12:58.000 secede along with the rest of the state. This section of Virginia was admitted into the union

01:13:02.000 as a state of West Virginia on June 20, 1863. So they separate, they seceded from the Confederacy.

01:13:08.000 But to do so they had to split a state in half.

01:13:14.000 And it's been totally accepted.

01:13:16.000 We go on with life as if it's normal that a state just said, you know, we're going to separate.

01:13:21.000 They didn't go back together when Virginia came back into the Union.

01:13:25.000 So a state has seceded from a state.

01:13:29.000 It's happened.

01:13:30.000 What about North and South Carolina?

01:13:32.000 North and South Dakota?

01:13:33.000 Were they once Dakota and Carolina?

01:13:36.000 No.

01:13:39.000 I think it's naive to believe that the United States is always going to exist in these perfect 50 states under the federal government that keeps expanding and expanding and expanding.

01:13:53.000 And I think it's irrational for people to think that Americans are just going to sit idly by while our federal government completely becomes tyrannical and out of control like we've watched it do over the past year.

01:14:05.000 And no one wants violence.

01:14:07.000 And I'll say again, I'm completely against the Civil War, even though the media tries to say I say things like that.

01:14:12.000 I never do.

01:14:13.000 But I do truly believe that if this becomes such a broken nation and we have one party that is trying to rule over like the Democrats are trying to rule over Republicans to the point where they are deciding what opinion we are allowed to say whether we can get whether we can stay on social media or we have to leave.

01:14:32.000 Because we're spreading what they claim is misinformation if they get to a point where they're saying we're going to control your What you're allowed to do with your body and and what you have to have injected into your body and you have no no choice or say They're coming to the point where they're saying this is what your children have to be taught and parents you have no input or say and you're and your children essentially belong to the state of Like some people are actually saying out loud, and that's happening in the state of California and elsewhere.

01:15:02.000 When it gets to that point, you can't just accept or think that Americans are going to accept it.

01:15:09.000 That is when it's okay to start saying, you know what?

01:15:12.000 Just like in a marriage, I don't like the way you're treating me.

01:15:15.000 You either have to change.

01:15:17.000 I'm asking you to change, which is what Republicans should be saying to Democrats right now.

01:15:21.000 Stop this behavior.

01:15:23.000 You have to change.

01:15:24.000 We all have to live here together.

01:15:25.000 We should care about our country together.

01:15:27.000 And if you're not, then we need to consider maybe we need to separate and what does that look like?

01:15:32.000 But if there's one thing I think we've learned, it's that the left absolutely believes it should rule over the right.

01:15:38.000 And that's just authoritarianism in general, this idea of a leftist, this weird authoritarian bent.

01:15:38.000 Exactly.

01:15:43.000 Whatever the libertarian side of things are, the freedom, which includes a large faction of people, they're basically saying, leave me alone, all or else.

01:15:51.000 That doesn't sound like you can have a peaceful divorce. 0.52

01:15:53.000 I mean, you've got a husband and a wife, and the wife's saying, I want to leave, and the husband's like, don't you dare, or else.

01:15:57.000 I mean, you're gonna need more than just a court order.

01:16:00.000 You're gonna need police intervention and protections.

01:16:03.000 So maybe, you know, when you see people like Ron Perlman, when you see like John Podesta and Donna Brazile in that 2020 scenario they did with the Boston Globe reported on, where they advocated Western states secede from the union if Donald Trump wins the election again, maybe they will be willing to say, fine, we're out.

01:16:20.000 I will tell you what I love the most about this trope is that the urban, the city urban liberal types are convinced that they will flourish and the red states and Republicans will suffer.

01:16:31.000 And I'm like, Do you know how to take care of chickens, for instance?

01:16:35.000 Where do you get your food from?

01:16:37.000 Oh, your avocados from Mexico were shipped in in the middle of winter, and you're having strawberries and avocado... You have strawberry yogurt with your avocados?

01:16:44.000 Yeah, okay.

01:16:45.000 If you don't know how to grow your own food, if you don't know how to... And it's not even about growing your own food.

01:16:50.000 We learned this lesson.

01:16:51.000 We planted... You probably understand this.

01:16:52.000 We planted all the tomatoes at once.

01:16:54.000 And that's a big mistake.

01:16:55.000 You plant them one week at a time so that the tomatoes ripen not all at once.

01:17:00.000 Otherwise, you're eating 50 tomatoes all at once.

01:17:02.000 We didn't know that.

01:17:03.000 Because we're a bunch of city folks who moved out to the middle of nowhere.

01:17:06.000 But the people who live in these cities, they get their food shipped in.

01:17:10.000 They do jobs like writing at BuzzFeed or working for, you know, bureaucratic firms or administrative firms or managerial firms.

01:17:17.000 They're not the ones that, for the most part, are making the machine churn.

01:17:21.000 So in the event there was a major divorce, I think cities are gonna just implode.

01:17:25.000 They're gonna go nuts.

01:17:26.000 Yeah, well Tim, what you're not factoring in is that all of those blue states have the Reddit moderators who walk dogs for 25 hours a week, and I don't know that we could stand to lose them.

01:17:38.000 In all seriousness, one of the issues, and this isn't just a problem with national divorce or the union remaining together or whatever the alternative is here, It's just an issue of the philosophical differences between left and right here, at least as they exist today.

01:17:53.000 It's not so much that right-leaning people are all saying, I want to mind my own business, I want you to mind your own business, there's certainly that faction on the right, but even the right-leaning people who would like to see stronger government action tend to be much more in favor of local solutions, whereas with left-wing people, They feel this unquenchable desire to change things unbelievably far away from them that they have no business meddling in, while problems fester all over their own community.

01:18:21.000 And part of it is because I believe that those external problems are much more abstract, and these are people who aren't really interested in engaging with reality.

01:18:30.000 And it feels really good to say, I'm going to affect change and make the world better without actually doing anything in your own local community.

01:18:37.000 And so they end up voting for policies that will affect the way other people live their lives without making any personal sacrifices of their own.

01:18:45.000 And so whether we have a national divorce, whether the country stays together, that tendency is not going to change with those people.

01:18:52.000 I've got another potential solution than national divorce as a solution to like the corruption, the revolving door of people coming out, people getting bribed.

01:18:58.000 Maybe we can set up a direct republic.

01:19:00.000 Right now, for a long time I've been thinking, I don't think we need the House of Representatives.

01:19:03.000 I used to talk to Mike Gravel, and he wanted to set up what's called the National Initiative.

01:19:07.000 The idea that every American citizen has the right to write laws and pass it into the Senate.

01:19:11.000 And we would all create our own representative from our state, so we'd have 50 representatives of the National Initiative.

01:19:16.000 In his world, we still had the House of Representatives, but I see them getting bribed.

01:19:20.000 And it's a vulnerability in the system.

01:19:23.000 What if it was a smart contract?

01:19:25.000 And all of the representatives, these 800,000 people, vote for the way they want their contract to act while it's in service.

01:19:30.000 And as long as it's there, it's just voting yay or nay as the populace directs it.

01:19:34.000 I find the notion of going to more of, I know you call it a republic, but more of a democratic type solution terrifying.

01:19:41.000 Well, I would call it a direct republic.

01:19:42.000 It's actually less of a democratic solution.

01:19:45.000 Or it's equally democratic.

01:19:46.000 Let me be fair and condemn my colleagues at the same time.

01:19:52.000 You know, I don't blame AOC for what she does. 0.98

01:19:56.000 95% of my colleagues, I don't question their motives or blame them for their behavior, even though it's wrong most of the time.

01:20:04.000 I blame the people that voted for them.

01:20:06.000 They're actually responding to the people that elected them.

01:20:12.000 You can say all you want about the lobbyists and the money, and I have talked about how the committees are messed up that way, but the individuals who get elected are fairly reflective.

01:20:23.000 What bothers me is when they say, when you vote for me, I'm going to say yes to dog walkers, and then they get in there like, I'm going to vote no on that. 0.67

01:20:29.000 What recourse do I have now as a voter?

01:20:31.000 This is what I chose.

01:20:33.000 Well, in the House, every two years you could throw them out.

01:20:36.000 That is true.

01:20:37.000 We have to be elected every two years.

01:20:38.000 That's a long time.

01:20:39.000 In today's age, two years is forever.

01:20:41.000 It's so long.

01:20:42.000 But hold on, hold on.

01:20:43.000 So much can happen in a day now.

01:20:45.000 When you get a Ron Paul, I mean, how many terms did he serve?

01:20:47.000 He served a lot.

01:20:49.000 He served for a while, and then he came back in, like, 96.

01:20:53.000 Because he got disillusioned, didn't think it was fixable.

01:21:00.000 And then he came back after he ran for president.

01:21:02.000 My understanding is the reason he won is because people really like him, right?

01:21:07.000 Is that true?

01:21:08.000 I don't live in his district.

01:21:09.000 So was it that people just vote Republican?

01:21:11.000 It didn't matter it was Ron Paul?

01:21:13.000 The reason most people win is people like them.

01:21:17.000 Nancy Pelosi?

01:21:18.000 People like her.

01:21:19.000 Oh, they love her.

01:21:20.000 In San Francisco.

01:21:21.000 Oh yeah, they love her in San Francisco. 0.57

01:21:23.000 You know, I'd like to think that people elect an ideology, but in reality, they look for people they like.

01:21:31.000 What's to like about... Marjorie, I think you're correct.

01:21:31.000 They do.

01:21:36.000 We just can't live with these people anymore.

01:21:37.000 If they like Nancy Pelosi and find something good in her, I'm just lost.

01:21:41.000 I don't know how we... Kim's joining my movement. 0.93

01:21:42.000 You must find the love for all humans.

01:21:44.000 I have a second thing.

01:21:46.000 I can't understand that world.

01:21:47.000 I just can't.

01:21:47.000 I just want to throw one more thing in here about national divorce.

01:21:50.000 I sort of mentioned that even if we break up the federal government, even if all the states go their separate way, one group is still going to have a desire to control.

01:21:57.000 And obviously, they couldn't do that to the federal government at that point.

01:21:59.000 But when you look at so much of the actual censorship that the American people are facing, it's coming from large corporations.

01:22:05.000 And that kind of thing is always going to be weaponized, national divorce or not. 1.00

01:22:08.000 It would depend on your states and how they're set up.

01:22:11.000 But here's a second thing that I think everyone should think about.

01:22:15.000 While we're fighting out our differences here in the United States and among one another as Americans, the biggest thing that upsets me is as Americans we aren't coming together as a whole and saying we can put aside our petty differences and our opinions.

01:22:31.000 What we should be standing together on is we should be standing against China. 0.97

01:22:36.000 We should be standing against globalism because if you want to talk about authoritarianism and you want to talk about people that really want to rule over us, China is a direct threat to our entire existence.

01:22:48.000 And let me tell you something else.

01:22:49.000 China is embedded in the United States.

01:22:53.000 There are politicians, people that Thomas and I work with, that are completely sold out.

01:23:00.000 If you have not read Peter Schweitzer's book, the new book that has come out, I highly encourage you to read it.

01:23:04.000 You would be shocked.

01:23:06.000 There's a whole chapter on Dianne Feinstein.

01:23:09.000 That woman has been there probably longer than all of us have been alive.

01:23:12.000 They have made so much money through corporate connections, policy, deals that she was willing to make through her powerful

01:23:21.000 position as a senator, with her husband, stock deals, money, investments.

01:23:27.000 I mean it is outrageous that this actually happened, but it's not just

01:23:31.000 them. It's happened over and over and over again with people in power right

01:23:35.000 here in our country and this is the kind of thing that I think we should come

01:23:39.000 together on.

01:23:40.000 Republicans and Democrats?

01:23:42.000 Yes, both parties.

01:23:44.000 Both parties.

01:23:45.000 Sold out.

01:23:45.000 All parties.

01:23:46.000 There's more than two.

01:23:47.000 That's when people say both.

01:23:47.000 I think they're missing the mark because there are many, many political parties.

01:23:50.000 We talked about this before the show.

01:23:51.000 You said Congress, Thomas, you were telling me, it's like set up for a two party, literally built with.

01:23:56.000 The fact that there's an aisle forces you into two halves.

01:24:00.000 Tell me more about this.

01:24:00.000 You said there's coat rooms.

01:24:02.000 There's a cloak room.

01:24:03.000 There are two cloak rooms.

01:24:04.000 There aren't three.

01:24:05.000 I've thought about this because I feel like a trans partisan some days.

01:24:09.000 I don't know which cloak room to go into.

01:24:11.000 But because there's only two, and they shoehorn, you know, there's probably six or seven kinds of parties that aren't named in our country right now, but then you shoehorn them into two parties.

01:24:24.000 Every committee hearing room has two backrooms.

01:24:27.000 You know, you hear about backroom deals?

01:24:29.000 Okay, they literally call them backrooms.

01:24:31.000 And there are exactly two backrooms with every committee hearing room.

01:24:36.000 They even have a smoking section.

01:24:38.000 Right?

01:24:38.000 Yes.

01:24:39.000 A smoking section?

01:24:41.000 Like there's a Democrat smoking section or a Republican smoking section?

01:24:43.000 In the cloakrooms, there's a smoking section.

01:24:45.000 Oh, okay.

01:24:45.000 Wow.

01:24:47.000 But it's built into the architecture.

01:24:50.000 It would be really hard.

01:24:51.000 And it's built into the rules.

01:24:52.000 Like every committee, they say, well, we're going to portion the committee based on the majority and minority party.

01:24:59.000 The fact that there's a majority leader and a minority leader.

01:25:03.000 I'm sure there's a better way to do it.

01:25:03.000 like we're going to set like each party, 10 parties and you want 20 committee members,

01:25:07.000 that means it can be two from each party. And then that'll incentivize people to go to other

01:25:11.000 parties that don't have that many people yet so they have a better chance of getting on a committee.

01:25:14.000 I'm sure there's a better way to do it. I am absolutely certain.

01:25:17.000 Well then what can we do?

01:25:20.000 I'll Let me just elaborate a little bit.

01:25:23.000 I mean, you mentioned last time you were here, there's like, what do you say, 10 Democrats on one side, 10 Republicans, and there's some random guy reading, going like, this bill says this, Democrats, bleh, Republicans, bleh, Democrats get it, bang.

01:25:35.000 Like, that happens?

01:25:37.000 Yes.

01:25:37.000 Oh yeah, all the time.

01:25:38.000 That just says to me, Congress is- Broken.

01:25:42.000 It's theater.

01:25:43.000 Theater.

01:25:44.000 So what do we do to fix that?

01:25:46.000 Well, we've asked for recorded votes all year.

01:25:49.000 So for this this past year in 2021, I believe there's been over 490 bills that we've requested recorded votes.

01:25:58.000 That hasn't happened in a very long time in Congress.

01:26:01.000 This is amazing.

01:26:02.000 And this is what inspires me and gives me hope going forward.

01:26:06.000 You're looking for some kind of hope.

01:26:08.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene gives me hope.

01:26:10.000 Like, on March 27, 2020, I was the only person asking for a recorded vote on the biggest spending bill in history.

01:26:17.000 It was verboten to do that.

01:26:18.000 It was not acceptable.

01:26:20.000 And then Marjorie came and just made it the normal course that, yeah, we're going to vote on everything.

01:26:25.000 She didn't have committees, so she sat on the floor. 0.81

01:26:28.000 There were, you know, if there were going to be three people in there, there was going to be one more, and it was Marjorie.

01:26:32.000 That's right.

01:26:33.000 And she just started asking for recorded votes. 0.52

01:26:35.000 But there are a dozen other people who will take turns watching the floor and asking for votes.

01:26:40.000 When you went in and demanded that everybody come in and vote, how long did it take between when you went in and when they all got there?

01:26:46.000 Real quick.

01:26:49.000 You set up a system now where among the real people in Congress, we have a schedule.

01:26:54.000 You make sure there's someone there to demand a recorded vote.

01:26:57.000 We take turns every single week we're there in session.

01:27:00.000 We sign up for it and we, I mean, we sit on the floor.

01:27:03.000 Sometimes we're texting each other.

01:27:05.000 No one's down there or I have a meeting I can't go and we work our way around and we make sure.

01:27:10.000 Here's what's disturbing.

01:27:11.000 It's amazing.

01:27:12.000 It is amazing and it's inspiring because it used to be me and I'm like, I got to go to the bathroom.

01:27:17.000 And I'm pretty sure.

01:27:18.000 And then I ended up being in that position and oh, it's miserable.

01:27:20.000 And they vote when you walk out of the room.

01:27:22.000 Yeah.

01:27:23.000 Yes, they do.

01:27:24.000 They literally wait for you to leave.

01:27:27.000 In fact, that may have been why on March 27th the president called me.

01:27:33.000 To get you out of the room?

01:27:34.000 Yeah, to get me out of the room.

01:27:35.000 I'm not sure if they had timed it that well, but I stayed and let the calls go to voicemail.

01:27:40.000 But let me just say, so that's inspiring that we've got shifts and stuff, but that's what your party leadership's supposed to do.

01:27:50.000 The minority leader and the minority whip, they've got a dozen staff members on the floor that know exactly what's going to happen next.

01:27:58.000 They're working on the script with Nancy Pelosi.

01:28:01.000 They know which bills are coming, and they should be asking for the votes.

01:28:05.000 So let me tell you a funny story.

01:28:07.000 Motion to adjourn.

01:28:08.000 You know, I love motion to adjourn.

01:28:10.000 Motion to adjourn is something any member of Congress can step up and make a motion to adjourn.

01:28:16.000 That calls for everyone to have to vote to end Congress for the day.

01:28:20.000 And I believe oftentimes Congress is so out of control, I love to make a motion to adjourn.

01:28:25.000 Well, recently I came down to the House floor and I was going to make a motion to adjourn and Nancy Pelosi found out because I told one of the floor staffers that I was going to do it.

01:28:37.000 So she came out and she opened the day, you know, she started the whole day and she looked at me directly and she was talking faster than normal.

01:28:45.000 You could tell she was irritated.

01:28:46.000 And then you know what she did? 0.52

01:28:47.000 She said, the House will be in recess.

01:28:50.000 And she didn't let anyone do their one-minute speeches, and there were several members that were really mad at me because they didn't get to do their one-minute speeches because they knew it was because I was going to do a motion to adjourn.

01:29:01.000 But they do, they talk.

01:29:03.000 I want to let you know that after the first time you came on, I had people messaging me, friends and family, saying, When I heard that Congress doesn't actually go and vote, and Marjorie said she started demanding it and forcing them to do their jobs, people were like, that was the moment I realized she was great and she was amazing and I loved her.

01:29:23.000 I didn't know.

01:29:24.000 I mean, you come here and tell me this stuff about how they're basically just not doing their jobs.

01:29:31.000 You tell us this stuff.

01:29:32.000 You talk about how they'll wait for you to leave the room before voting.

01:29:37.000 I don't think regular people realize how broken the whole system really is.

01:29:41.000 Or more specifically, you say they don't enforce the masking in areas where there's no cameras.

01:29:46.000 It's all for show.

01:29:47.000 I think when you tell people that Congress's approval rating is so far in the gutter that they're willing to believe it.

01:29:53.000 And then when you mentioned, oh yeah, and we're rotating shifts to make sure they all have to do their jobs, I'm sure people started laughing their asses off when they heard that.

01:30:00.000 Well, let's not say who the member is.

01:30:02.000 Can we agree if I tell the story?

01:30:03.000 Yes, I agree.

01:30:04.000 Yes.

01:30:04.000 Okay.

01:30:05.000 Fully agree.

01:30:06.000 So Marjorie had asked for a recorded vote, and people were going to miss some fundraisers, and they were really mad.

01:30:12.000 And I saw people one at a time coming up to Marjorie and just saying stuff to her.

01:30:18.000 And so I went and sat next to her and one of our colleagues sat next to her as well, Scott Perry, great guy.

01:30:25.000 Great guy.

01:30:26.000 Thinking that they wouldn't have the audacity to come up and yell at a woman for actually just doing her job.

01:30:33.000 Well, an individual did, and I'm not going to name him, and he started mansplaining to Marjorie.

01:30:40.000 He literally said, he said, I know you're trying really hard to do this job, and I know you care a lot, but you need to be thoughtful about this.

01:30:51.000 And after about 60 seconds of that, I couldn't take it anymore.

01:30:56.000 And I said, you know what?

01:30:58.000 If your constituents could see you, if they could hear you right now, they would be so upset with you.

01:31:04.000 You got to say who it is.

01:31:06.000 And no, no, no.

01:31:07.000 And then he turned because we got to be friends.

01:31:09.000 So he turned his ire to me.

01:31:12.000 And said, you worry about your own district.

01:31:15.000 I know what my constituents want, and I'll take care of my votes, and you take care of yours, and you mind your own business.

01:31:21.000 And I said, you know what?

01:31:23.000 If you're that certain that your constituents are happy with what you're saying, go down to the microphone.

01:31:28.000 Say it in front of the camera.

01:31:29.000 Let them hear it.

01:31:30.000 I'm still shocked that it's not live streamed.

01:31:32.000 All that action with little mic lapels so that we can just watch you guys.

01:31:35.000 It should be!

01:31:36.000 It's not like you're puppets, but I mean, we've heard that.

01:31:38.000 What a reality show.

01:31:40.000 Oh, I'd give anything for a reality show.

01:31:42.000 But I want to tell you something.

01:31:44.000 Thomas Massey was the first person to stand up for me.

01:31:47.000 And that was the first time it happened.

01:31:49.000 The rest of the time, I had been berated and taking so much anger and horrible things from other Republicans.

01:31:57.000 that were mad at me for for asking for recorded votes because they were going to be on record. 0.99

01:32:02.000 They're cowards. 0.51

01:32:03.000 But Thomas Massey stood up for you and you want to know why? 0.95

01:32:05.000 He talked he's talked about he he went and was forcing everyone to come back to Washington when on the biggest spending bill in this pandemic that in our nation's history and he was saying our constitution is still intact.

01:32:22.000 This is so important we have to vote on this and you wouldn't have believed what he had to go through.

01:32:27.000 I mean I love President Trump but he he had to deal with the phone calls and the tweets and everyone mad and angry at him and then he had his colleagues mad and angry at him and everyone called him non-stop trying to talk him out of it and he still stood firm and he stood firm and he made sure our Constitution stayed intact and this is such an incredible story.

01:32:49.000 I truly think it's an important part of our history I'll be honest, I think I was even critical.

01:32:54.000 this COVID-19 bio weapon, I'll say that I think it's that and we have to prove it,

01:32:59.000 but during this what was happening to our country, we had one member of

01:33:03.000 Congress willing to make sure that our Constitution stood in this

01:33:07.000 historic time. I'll be honest, I think I was even critical.

01:33:10.000 I think at the time my reaction was like now's not the time for grandstanding

01:33:14.000 when we're being shut down and we're in desperate need of aid and relief and we

01:33:19.000 all make mistakes.

01:33:20.000 I think, you know, now I look back at the mass spending and the disaster that it's been.

01:33:23.000 By the way, they roll out contingency government plans.

01:33:26.000 When things stop working, when the three branches quit functioning, they've got a contingency plan.

01:33:32.000 And it is not pretty.

01:33:33.000 Directive 51?

01:33:35.000 Are you familiar?

01:33:37.000 Not Area 51.

01:33:37.000 No, no, no.

01:33:38.000 Presidential Directive 51.

01:33:39.000 Not familiar with that.

01:33:41.000 It's been updated, but George W. Bush signed into an executive order called National Security Presidential Directive 51, which unilaterally grants the executive branch the right in any disaster to reform the government under one branch, under the executive branch, where they would have a national continuity coordinator who would control the other branches effectively.

01:34:02.000 And their justification is a mass casualty event anywhere in the world, a financial disaster anywhere in the world.

01:34:09.000 It's been updated since then and expanded, but it's never been tested because it's an executive decree.

01:34:14.000 So we'll see how that could ever play out if it could.

01:34:18.000 I want to mention something.

01:34:19.000 You just said that you believe that COVID is a bioweapon.

01:34:22.000 It's interesting because according to Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the American implementation of the International Bioweapons Convention, any disease or virus created through gain-of-function research is a de facto bioweapon.

01:34:38.000 It doesn't have to have been made with the intent necessarily of being a bioweapon.

01:34:42.000 The reason this is so easy to get fuzzy on and why they can deny that it is one is because They can argue, well, yes, we used gain-of-function research to create this virus, but we were only making it because if someone else made the same virus, we would want to have it first so we could know how to cure it.

01:34:59.000 But that's like saying, well, my gun isn't a weapon because the reason I have it is just to study it, take it apart, clean it.

01:35:07.000 I don't plan on using it.

01:35:08.000 Well, whether you plan on using it or not, it is still a weapon.

01:35:11.000 And if this was created through gain-of-function research, it's a biological weapon, whether they claim that was the purpose or not.

01:35:16.000 And that is, again, according to the man I agree.

01:35:18.000 Exactly.

01:35:18.000 Yes.

01:35:18.000 authored the legislation on what a biological weapon is. I agree. My analogy

01:35:22.000 extending on that is they were playing with matches and the house caught on

01:35:27.000 fire. Yes. And they said well we were playing with matches so we would know

01:35:30.000 how to put a house out. Exactly. They weren't matches. But guess what? They ran. They

01:35:35.000 didn't, they did not try to put the house out. They ran away and denied they were

01:35:39.000 playing with matches. Yeah, yeah exactly.

01:35:42.000 And then denied that they were matches in the first place.

01:35:43.000 This wasn't a match.

01:35:44.000 A bat came in and lit this place on fire.

01:35:47.000 When you get Jon Stewart coming out and making those accusations on Stephen Colbert's show, this is not a fringe idea.

01:35:47.000 Well, look, look.

01:35:54.000 This is something the American people believe.

01:35:56.000 Let's go to Super Chats.

01:35:58.000 For those that haven't, smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, and make sure you go to TimCast.com, become a member.

01:36:04.000 We're going to have a members-only segment coming up at about 11pm over at TimCast.com.

01:36:08.000 You're not going to want to miss that.

01:36:09.000 But let's read some Super Chats. 0.69

01:36:11.000 We'll start with this one.

01:36:12.000 I'm going to try and keep it to questions for Thomas and Marjorie.

01:36:17.000 We have this one from Random Eskimo.

01:36:19.000 He says, Please ask Marjorie Taylor Greene what she thinks about Stacey Abrams saying people complained about her because it was Black History Month.

01:36:26.000 I've seen racism in my life, but whining is not a solution.

01:36:29.000 Crack pipes matter.

01:36:31.000 Well, alright then.

01:36:33.000 But not on the taxpayer's dime.

01:36:36.000 No, what I have to say to Stacey Abrams is hiding behind Black History Reading Month is racist. 0.63

01:36:41.000 I think that's a racist claim.

01:36:42.000 No, what she had to do, what she was doing sitting on the floor, sitting there as a high-risk person with COVID-19 and her obesity, unmasked while children are being forced to wear masks and

01:36:55.000 they are not at high risk.

01:36:57.000 That has nothing to do with Black History Month.

01:36:59.000 That has everything to do with being an authoritarian elite candidate for governor that I hope to

01:37:05.000 God we defeat and never allow to become our governor.

01:37:09.000 Who's running against her?

01:37:10.000 Beautifully said.

01:37:11.000 Do you know who's running against her?

01:37:12.000 Well, we're having the primaries right now.

01:37:14.000 She has no one being challenged.

01:37:16.000 No one's challenging her.

01:37:17.000 But we have Governor Brian Kemp is a Republican in the primary.

01:37:22.000 David Perdue is a Republican in the primary.

01:37:24.000 Vernon Jones just dropped out and moved to the 10th congressional district in Georgia.

01:37:30.000 And then there's one remaining candidate, Candace Taylor, is also in the Republican primary.

01:37:36.000 All right, we have this from Matthew Hammond.

01:37:38.000 He says, could we end baseline budgeting if Republicans retake the House?

01:37:42.000 What is baseline budgeting?

01:37:44.000 It's saying that we're going to start with the budget we had last year, and we're only going to add to it.

01:37:53.000 When we make all of the spending in one bill, for instance, here's what they do.

01:37:55.000 we could do. Quit passing omnibus bills. When we make all of the

01:38:01.000 spending in one bill, for instance, here's what they do.

01:38:04.000 The pay raise for the soldier is always in the omnibus bill. So they threaten you,

01:38:11.000 especially if you're in a Republican primary.

01:38:13.000 You go back home and you explain why you didn't vote for this pay raise for these soldiers.

01:38:17.000 Well, guess what else was in there?

01:38:18.000 Everything!

01:38:19.000 Gain-of-function funding is in there for Wuhan!

01:38:25.000 I saw that video of, like, they're carting in the 5,000 pages of the omnibus bill.

01:38:31.000 Who gets to add stuff to it?

01:38:33.000 How does stuff get in there?

01:38:35.000 Can you guys add stuff to it?

01:38:36.000 It's already written.

01:38:37.000 You know, if we tried to change one penny, let's say the total of it was a certain number, it's impossible to change a penny because the agreement has already been made between parties that aren't voting on it.

01:38:49.000 And if we were to actually change it, they'd have to go back in that room with the secret folks.

01:38:56.000 Well, our leadership doesn't want it to change.

01:38:58.000 They don't want the government to shut down.

01:39:00.000 They don't want to get blamed for that.

01:39:02.000 Here's what's going to happen.

01:39:03.000 Next Congress, when we take the majority, it's going to be our omnibus bill.

01:39:09.000 And I would like to explain why it shouldn't be an omnibus bill.

01:39:11.000 But it's going to be our omnibus bill.

01:39:13.000 And they're going to go to all the freshmen who've never been in the majority.

01:39:16.000 I hope they're listening to your podcast.

01:39:19.000 And they're going to say, look, this is bigger than you.

01:39:22.000 This is bigger than us.

01:39:24.000 We need to get a president who can sign our bills. 0.77

01:39:26.000 So we don't need any drama.

01:39:28.000 Don't try to defund anything in this.

01:39:30.000 Let's get to 2024.

01:39:33.000 Let's use what we got in 2022 to get to 2024.

01:39:36.000 Let's have hearings that make Biden look bad so that we can get our president elected, and you just vote for the omnibus.

01:39:44.000 No drama there.

01:39:45.000 And it will be our whip team who is whipping Republican members to vote for an omnibus.

01:39:50.000 What we should do instead, we should vote on the 12 separate bills.

01:39:56.000 The bill that funds the military should be voted on separately from the bill that funds the Department of Justice, for instance.

01:40:03.000 Through appropriations.

01:40:04.000 Through 12 separate appropriations bills.

01:40:06.000 In fact, I would vote on 400 different bills, frankly.

01:40:08.000 I would totally agree.

01:40:10.000 And I'll roll call every single one of them.

01:40:11.000 And that way, if one of them would have had gain of function in it and you left it out, and then you don't get into this grudge match with the president where the government shuts down, the president doesn't have anything to sign that has it in there.

01:40:26.000 You don't even give him that option to fund those things you don't want.

01:40:30.000 You give him separate bills.

01:40:31.000 It's like the reverse of a line-item veto.

01:40:33.000 It just makes so much sense.

01:40:35.000 Who's going to be the Speaker of the House when Republicans take the majority?

01:40:39.000 Well, we only have one person running, or that we know is running, which is Kevin McCarthy.

01:40:44.000 That's a mistake.

01:40:45.000 But there's no one else running, so we, you know...

01:40:49.000 Can I tell you, I was a part of three coups against John Boehner.

01:40:53.000 Architected the second two coups, one with Jim Bridenstine and one with Mark Meadows.

01:40:58.000 The third one worked, our third coup against Boehner.

01:41:01.000 The saddest day ever of my life in Congress is when the Freedom Caucus agreed to vote for Paul Ryan.

01:41:08.000 The second time Paul Ryan was elected, I was the only Republican who would not vote for him.

01:41:13.000 What would happen if— The only one?

01:41:14.000 The only Republican.

01:41:16.000 Every single Republican, Marjorie, that you serve with voted for Paul Ryan if they were there with Paul Ryan.

01:41:22.000 Except for me.

01:41:23.000 Except for me.

01:41:26.000 I think it's January 3rd, right?

01:41:28.000 Everybody comes in and you have the orientation over.

01:41:30.000 So then you're going to vote on the Speaker, and it's going to be Nancy Pelosi and Kevin McCarthy, right?

01:41:35.000 Well, no.

01:41:36.000 So, our body is a majority-controlled body, the body of Congress is.

01:41:41.000 So, whichever party is the majority control, that's the party that will be choosing the speaker.

01:41:47.000 Well, no, no, of course, but I mean— Now, unless they defected and— But, I mean, Nancy Pelosi will be running. 0.97

01:41:50.000 You can introduce other candidates right there, live time, on the floor, to the clerk, before there's a speaker.

01:41:55.000 In fact, we were the first people to do it.

01:41:58.000 In the second coup against Boehner we introduced three alternate candidates after both parties introduced theirs

01:42:03.000 We think it may have been the first time since the country was was founded that that actually happened. I'm just I'm

01:42:10.000 wondering So you're in the majority you're gonna win, but you know

01:42:15.000 now Nancy, but well, let's say the Republicans win the majority Kevin McCarthy

01:42:19.000 There'll be a vote people will be voting for Nancy Pelosi. 1.00

01:42:22.000 She's just gonna go. Yeah, right So what would happen if you guys told the Republican

01:42:26.000 establishment if you if you choose Kevin McCarthy, we will not vote in favor of them

01:42:30.000 And I think that's a really good point.

01:42:32.000 Hands down, no negotiating, done.

01:42:34.000 What would happen if you didn't vote for him?

01:42:37.000 Would Pelosi be our speaker?

01:42:38.000 No, no, she would not.

01:42:39.000 So you have to get a majority of those present and voting.

01:42:43.000 So let's say the Freedom Caucus peeled off.

01:42:45.000 Let's say we had a majority of 15, 15 more Republicans than Democrats, and 20 Republicans refused to vote for the conference selection that the GOP had selected.

01:42:54.000 Let's say it was Kevin.

01:42:55.000 There would be there would have to be another vote.

01:42:58.000 There would be a second vote.

01:42:59.000 And then if those 20 again disagreed to do it, then probably the Republicans would go back into behind

01:43:05.000 closed doors, the conference, and pick somebody that could get a majority

01:43:09.000 on the floor.

01:43:10.000 It sounds like a great...

01:43:11.000 By the way, I'm explaining this. I'm not advocating for it.

01:43:14.000 I'm telling you, I led two coups against Boehner, co-led, was a willing but stupid participant in the first coup, never voted for Paul Ryan, but here's what I think the problem is. 0.94

01:43:26.000 That was too simple of a solution.

01:43:28.000 The definition, the job definition of speaker needs to change.

01:43:32.000 It's not about who you choose as speaker.

01:43:34.000 And a hundred years ago, they changed it.

01:43:37.000 They were successful in devolving power from the Speaker.

01:43:40.000 This is what needs to happen.

01:43:41.000 The Speaker shouldn't be telling the Chairman which bills to bring forward.

01:43:44.000 The Chairman should be bringing the bills from their committees to the Speaker and say,

01:43:48.000 this came out of our committee.

01:43:50.000 And then that's how it should work.

01:43:52.000 And I think we should, I think individual members of Congress should be able to bring

01:43:56.000 bills to the floor and ask for a vote.

01:43:58.000 I don't think it should be completely controlled.

01:44:00.000 We certainly used to be able to do that before you got there with amendments.

01:44:05.000 On the appropriations bill, any member of Congress could walk up to the floor with their amendment and get a vote on it.

01:44:11.000 It should be back to that.

01:44:12.000 Because right now, if I have a bill, I cannot get it to the floor for a vote unless I have 218 members of Congress sign For it to be voted on.

01:44:22.000 In person or digitally?

01:44:24.000 In person.

01:44:25.000 We got to read more, but I do want to add, I hope that when it comes to the Omnibus Bill, y'all just slip in abolishing the NFA and the ATF.

01:44:32.000 And it's like, well, it's in there.

01:44:33.000 You got to do it.

01:44:34.000 But let's read this.

01:44:35.000 We got SharkBiteBiz says, Marjorie, why don't you sue Big Tech for their bans as illegal, undisclosed election donations they are? 0.98

01:44:43.000 It promotes and gives free publicity marketing reach to your competition during an election.

01:44:48.000 This is a clear campaign donation.

01:44:50.000 Also, check out our show, Shark Bite Biz, on YouTube.

01:44:52.000 Ooh, Shark Bite Biz, you're very smart.

01:44:54.000 Well, I haven't said that I'm not going to sue them, so thank you for bringing that up.

01:44:59.000 So, yeah, Twitter is not out of the woods.

01:45:03.000 All right.

01:45:05.000 Okay, let's see.

01:45:07.000 Josh says, Have either of you heard about Madison Cawthorn's new term limits bill?

01:45:12.000 Thoughts on it.

01:45:12.000 Thanks for all both of you do for our nation.

01:45:15.000 I know about it.

01:45:17.000 I just learned about it this week.

01:45:18.000 I don't know the details on it.

01:45:20.000 I've already signed the term limits pledge, but I'm not going to term limit myself unless there was an actual law passed.

01:45:28.000 I don't want to see what I consider to be the good guys leave on their own when the bad guys are definitely not going to leave and have no intention to do so.

01:45:37.000 Right.

01:45:37.000 That's always the big issue, because whenever I talk about term limits, I'm like, didn't we all like Ron Paul being in for as long as he was in?

01:45:44.000 Exactly.

01:45:47.000 I don't know his particular bill.

01:45:49.000 I've taken the pledge.

01:45:50.000 I sponsored the term limit bills.

01:45:51.000 I'd vote for them if we could get them to the floor.

01:45:54.000 If we could get them to the floor.

01:45:55.000 But I think it's like a cotton candy solution, I call them. 0.86

01:45:58.000 It tastes good, but there's nothing that's going to stay with you.

01:46:04.000 It might give you a sugar high.

01:46:06.000 People, they raise a lot of money, they push this issue, they'd be a lot better off spending their time trying to fix the broken process in Congress.

01:46:14.000 Because even, and here's a question I ask.

01:46:17.000 Okay, who voted for us bozos? 0.75

01:46:20.000 Okay, somebody voted for us and we're there.

01:46:22.000 So replace all of us bozos.

01:46:24.000 Who gets to pick the next set of bozos? 0.89

01:46:27.000 The same set that picked these bozos.

01:46:29.000 Well, there you go.

01:46:30.000 When I said that, I don't mean that every single Gen Xer is incapable of doing politics.

01:46:33.000 Generation X is politically weak.

01:46:36.000 Some of my fellow Gen Xers include Marjorie Taylor Greene, Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Tucker

01:46:40.000 Carlson and Ron DeSantis.

01:46:42.000 When I said that, I don't mean that every single Gen Xer is incapable of doing politics.

01:46:47.000 I said that when, like, by politically weak, you look at millennials.

01:46:51.000 They won't shut up.

01:46:53.000 They're screaming at the top of their lungs, banging on the walls, making demands, and they're getting a lot of it.

01:46:57.000 Gen Xers are like most of them, removed and chilling and not really involved. 1.00

01:47:02.000 Well, we were left at home a lot as kids.

01:47:04.000 We were the latchkey kids.

01:47:05.000 I think it's because we didn't have the internet when we were growing up.

01:47:08.000 So like a lot of Gen Xers don't really understand it.

01:47:10.000 Like Alex Cortez, she's like, does Twitter and gets like 30 million whatever because she's like young millennial, knows the internet so well and knows how to work the algorithm. 0.76

01:47:20.000 And so it looks like people that aren't... Well, Twitter probably boosts her, whereas somebody like me, Twitter's like, no.

01:47:26.000 I also think it's sort of a truism that the rebels are always on the college campuses, the revolutionaries, and the old people vote. 0.99

01:47:35.000 And maybe Gen Xers, maybe we're just between the college revolutionaries and the old people who vote. 0.82

01:47:41.000 Maybe it's just our phase of life.

01:47:42.000 I hope a lot of those Trekkers are Gen Xers.

01:47:46.000 Gosh, I love Trekkers right now.

01:47:48.000 All right, here's one from Gabe.

01:47:49.000 He says, who can small businesses go to about demanding that ESG scores not become a norm?

01:47:55.000 If this is not possible, how can we make sure the ESG rating agencies give a fair score?

01:48:00.000 Are y'all familiar with the ESGs?

01:48:02.000 What is it?

01:48:03.000 Environmental, social, good scores?

01:48:07.000 Governance.

01:48:08.000 Thank you, Lydia.

01:48:09.000 I don't think we should have any of those.

01:48:11.000 I'm not a climate change person.

01:48:13.000 It's even worse than that.

01:48:14.000 Well, it's CRT.

01:48:15.000 Yes, it's CRT.

01:48:16.000 So I don't think there should be a scoring system.

01:48:18.000 And everything's set up to hurt small businesses, right?

01:48:22.000 If you're a big corporation, it is, oh gosh, everything goes your way.

01:48:26.000 But if you're a small business, if you're the little guy, you're fighting so many things, and so many regulations, and so many different taxes, and you're a small shop, you're a small operation, You might be a mom and pop store or a single mom just trying to run your little business and you don't have the big accounting department and you don't have the attorneys over here to help you with all these issues.

01:48:45.000 And then when you come to an ESG issue, it's just completely, it's another whole level that makes it impossible to compete.

01:48:52.000 And these are the type of regulations and ridiculous things we have to stop and repeal and make sure that we allow small businesses to be able to compete.

01:49:01.000 Fairly with the larger corporations.

01:49:03.000 This shouldn't exist for a big company or a small company, but almost all regulations are scale prejudicial.

01:49:10.000 They are harder for the small guys to comply with.

01:49:13.000 Whether it's food regulations or ESG regulations, financials.

01:49:17.000 You said almost.

01:49:18.000 What are some that aren't?

01:49:19.000 Off the top of your head, do you have any ideas?

01:49:20.000 I don't have any off the top of my head.

01:49:23.000 I'm just protecting myself against the fact checkers.

01:49:25.000 Mostly false.

01:49:28.000 If they find one, then I'm wrong.

01:49:33.000 Vanessa Aponte says, did Mr. Massie vote yes on the Trump impeachment twice, and if so, why?

01:49:38.000 No, I did not vote on Trump impeachment.

01:49:41.000 You didn't vote or you voted no?

01:49:43.000 I voted no.

01:49:43.000 You voted against it?

01:49:44.000 Yeah.

01:49:44.000 Yeah, I was curious about that question.

01:49:47.000 But there you go.

01:49:49.000 What they might be recalling, and I shouldn't maybe advertise my unpopular votes or aspects, but I voted to certify the election.

01:50:00.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:50:01.000 Yeah, I'm not a proponent of the fraud theory or anything like that.

01:50:06.000 Well, and Marjorie, we're on different sides of this.

01:50:11.000 But here's my concern.

01:50:12.000 You know, the Constitution pretty clearly says that the state legislatures decide.

01:50:17.000 And so I said, before we got to the vote, many weeks before, I said, if a state legislature tells me that their authority was usurped, If a majority of either branch of their state government says that, then I can't certify their electors.

01:50:37.000 But if they won't tell me that their authority was usurped, Then maybe they wanted it to be done that way and maybe they would have voted it that way.

01:50:45.000 I can't read.

01:50:46.000 It's like this.

01:50:47.000 If you leave $10 on the table and somebody picks it up and walks off with it and you're okay with it, did they steal it?

01:50:53.000 This is something important people need to understand.

01:50:56.000 Not to derail too much, but just the issues we've been having legally.

01:51:00.000 There are a lot of people that want us to cut slack on, you know, people who have Let's just say violated our security, but we literally can't.

01:51:08.000 We had a guy who trespassed.

01:51:10.000 I'll just get into it.

01:51:11.000 We had a guy who trespassed, and we talked to the cops.

01:51:14.000 Well, he didn't trespass.

01:51:15.000 It's burglary.

01:51:16.000 So we have a no trespassing sign.

01:51:18.000 The moment he crossed the sign, he was officially committing a crime.

01:51:21.000 Because there's two, actually.

01:51:22.000 It's a big driveway.

01:51:24.000 It's like a thousand feet.

01:51:24.000 It's very, very long.

01:51:25.000 And then he came up to the house and entered the building, which officially becomes fourth-degree burglary.

01:51:30.000 We talked to the cop and the cop said, if you don't enforce this, you lose standing in the future to enforce similar actions.

01:51:37.000 It becomes a weaker position for you because they'll say you're selective.

01:51:41.000 It's like the system's set up to make you become an authoritarian if you want to run a business.

01:51:45.000 I think it's reasonable.

01:51:46.000 Listen, if you claim that you don't allow strangers to come to your property, but then some of them you do, a judge is going to look at you and be like, what's the reason for your selective enforcement?

01:51:56.000 I feel like people get into power and then they're like, I don't want to do it, but I'm

01:51:59.000 going to send troops into the war.

01:52:00.000 Like, I don't want to do it, but I'm going to do the violence.

01:52:02.000 So not to derail, but just that, you know.

01:52:06.000 By the way, the other concern while I'm talking about that is if we get in the habit of Congress

01:52:09.000 overriding whatever the election system produced, then now we've nationalized elections and

01:52:15.000 states like Kentucky don't fare well when you do things that way.

01:52:20.000 Well, I just think the strategy needs to be, you know, right now, ground game for Republicans.

01:52:26.000 I think Republicans need to be resisting the voting changes.

01:52:29.000 I think the Democrats are trying to push their voter overhaul bill, and that is The Electoral College Act.

01:52:38.000 That's the one you're talking about?

01:52:39.000 Well, no, they call it the Voting Rights Bill, but that's a media manipulation.

01:52:42.000 Oh, the Voting Rights Bill.

01:52:43.000 That's the Democrats' bill, yeah.

01:52:44.000 What Republicans need to understand, and I feel like this is lost on so many people, the reason universal mail-in voting is so advantageous to Democrats is because Democrats live in dense urban populations where two activists can hit a thousand doors in a day, whereas for Republicans in more rural areas, you're driving miles to each house.

01:53:02.000 That's right.

01:53:03.000 So, look, a Democrat activist knocks on a door.

01:53:06.000 Hey, see that thing on the ground?

01:53:07.000 Fill it out right now.

01:53:08.000 I'll wait.

01:53:08.000 Just do it.

01:53:09.000 Okay, go to the next door.

01:53:10.000 Do it.

01:53:10.000 Republicans gotta drive.

01:53:12.000 Dude, and in the cities, you can go down to the lobby and throw it in the outgoing mailbox.

01:53:15.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:53:16.000 It's ridiculously easy for Democrats to vote that way.

01:53:19.000 It is.

01:53:20.000 I think voting should not be blindly easy.

01:53:23.000 And anybody who argues voting should be super easy.

01:53:25.000 No, it shouldn't.

01:53:26.000 No, you shouldn't have to show an ID.

01:53:28.000 It should be an act that you take on yourself.

01:53:31.000 You willingly go to cast your vote, and you have to have proof of identification that you're a citizen, proof of your address.

01:53:37.000 It has to be very secure.

01:53:39.000 But the other thing about objecting, I objected on January 6th, and I would do it again.

01:53:43.000 And the reason why I believe it was so important to do it is because there were thousands of people that signed their name at risk of perjuring themselves in a court of law, saying that they had witnessed voter fraud.

01:53:55.000 And those affidavits, I believed, were very important.

01:53:59.000 And as a representative, an elective representative of the people in my district, I felt like I needed to represent what they were saying and they're, at that time, were not able to prove what they were saying in court.

01:54:12.000 And so I did object to key states.

01:54:14.000 But, you know, that's the great thing about, like, Thomas and I, we may not have done the same thing on January 6th, and he didn't do anything wrong.

01:54:22.000 And he has always supported President Trump and definitely Actually, probably supported Trump in many ways that people didn't support President Trump.

01:54:32.000 I think that's one of the things that a lot of people don't understand.

01:54:36.000 But as far as objecting, I just, I think our election system is, we, it is so valuable and we have to make sure that it's always protected.

01:54:44.000 Do you know the moment that it was certain all 50 states would do mail-in ballots was on March 27th, 2020, when Congress said it's too dangerous for us to show up and vote.

01:54:54.000 So we're going to do all this by remote control.

01:54:57.000 And Republicans agreed, except for me.

01:54:59.000 Marjorie wasn't there yet.

01:55:01.000 And I said, no, you've got to show up and vote.

01:55:04.000 Well, you had the president and a majority of Republicans in Congress arguing it was too dangerous for congressmen who have good health care and security.

01:55:13.000 It was too dangerous for them to actually show up and vote.

01:55:15.000 So then how do you then make the argument that everybody else should show up and vote?

01:55:18.000 It's pretty hard to get that high ground.

01:55:20.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:55:21.000 We got a couple here.

01:55:23.000 Zimemaru says, Marjorie, my mom thinks you're racist because you said something bad about Kwanzaa.

01:55:28.000 I'm black and I don't care about Kwanzaa either, but can you say something to convince her you aren't racist or hate black people?

01:55:35.000 I don't know how you're supposed to do that.

01:55:37.000 I don't either.

01:55:38.000 It's definitely, that accusation is not true of me and all my friends and family that know me personally would never say that about me.

01:55:47.000 Just because I said that Kwanzaa, I called it a fake holiday, I don't think it's something that should be promoted.

01:55:54.000 I mean, they can promote it and anyone can celebrate anything.

01:55:56.000 That's the great freedom we have in our country.

01:55:59.000 And for people that care about it.

01:56:00.000 But the founder of Kwanzaa is someone that actually murdered two women.

01:56:05.000 And this was a very radical extremist, the man that founded Kwanzaa.

01:56:10.000 I think people should understand the person behind Kwanzaa and the person that started this movement.

01:56:17.000 And it's not at all what is talked about today in those terms.

01:56:21.000 So when I had talked about Kwanzaa, it was, you know, I'm not impressed with a holiday that started by someone with such radical beliefs.

01:56:30.000 But it has nothing to do with anyone's skin color.

01:56:32.000 I don't like identity politics.

01:56:34.000 I don't engage in it.

01:56:35.000 I could care less.

01:56:36.000 That's not something that matters to me.

01:56:38.000 The creator was Maulana Karenga, and I believe it was created in California.

01:56:43.000 All right, we got one from Lance.

01:56:44.000 He says, Tim, if you're okay with citizens owning all forms of arms, how do you keep people from turning the country into an actual war zone?

01:56:51.000 What punishments do you put in place for those who use these weapons on each other?

01:56:55.000 Well, the same, you know, we've had a very hard time stopping American citizens from shooting each other in mass warfare.

01:57:02.000 No, we haven't.

01:57:02.000 People have guns.

01:57:03.000 They walk around West Virginia all the time.

01:57:05.000 There's people who walk around with AR-15s.

01:57:07.000 There's people who walk around with guns on every part of their body they can carry a gun on.

01:57:11.000 You know, the funny thing about the left's arguments on gun control... I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

01:57:15.000 I always got to correct myself.

01:57:16.000 The Democratic establishment, because leftists, true leftists, love guns.

01:57:20.000 Just not as soon as they seize power, then they want to take your guns.

01:57:23.000 But for the establishment players who want to ban guns, you know...

01:57:27.000 How do you stop people from running over other people?

01:57:30.000 Why do they never discuss, well, how would you stop someone from getting in their car and running people over?

01:57:35.000 It's like, well, sometimes that happens.

01:57:36.000 It's horrifying.

01:57:37.000 And then we arrest them and we put them in jail.

01:57:39.000 And intentionally.

01:57:40.000 Remember the parade?

01:57:41.000 Everyone wants to forget about the Christmas parade.

01:57:44.000 Of course.

01:57:44.000 Oh, that's right.

01:57:45.000 As if it never happened.

01:57:47.000 It's heartbreaking.

01:57:49.000 My point is not that cars are intentional weapons.

01:57:53.000 My point is that people drive around multi-ton objects all day every day and I'm not worried about them ramming into each other and having destruction derbies in parking lots or anything like that.

01:58:03.000 And when you actually live in a state where everybody's armed all the time, you never ask yourself, well, gee, I was walking around in West Virginia and nobody was shooting anybody else.

01:58:12.000 Why is that?

01:58:13.000 It's because people don't want to.

01:58:15.000 So look, I think, you know, there are people, Luke, Luke Rutkowski, if we are changed, sends me this gun broker ad.

01:58:23.000 And it's for a hand crank nine millimeter Gatling gun.

01:58:26.000 And it's like, you gotta buy this.

01:58:28.000 People own these things.

01:58:30.000 No one is carrying those things on a gun.

01:58:32.000 Like it just doesn't happen.

01:58:34.000 We also have several examples in the last several years where that's not happened.

01:58:37.000 Every state where they have passed constitutional carry and by the way that means you can carry a firearm without asking the government's permission, without going through training, without getting a photo ID, paying taxes.

01:58:50.000 Every state, the prediction has been it'll be the Wild West.

01:58:53.000 You're trying to turn West Virginia into the Wild West.

01:58:56.000 You're trying to turn Kentucky into the Wild West.

01:58:59.000 It's never happened.

01:59:00.000 It doesn't go that way.

01:59:02.000 People don't just start spontaneously shooting each other when you allow people to carry firearms.

01:59:07.000 What happens to the crime rates?

01:59:09.000 They go down!

01:59:09.000 Exactly, and right now we have record high crime and that's why owning a gun is so important.

01:59:15.000 That's why constitutional carry is so important.

01:59:17.000 That's why Georgia needs to pass it and if we don't get it passed, gun owners are going to be so angry in Georgia if we don't get constitutional carry.

01:59:25.000 Because we're at the threat of losing a Republican governor and having Stacey Abrams, who literally in her announcement speech, that's what she talked about. 1.00

01:59:33.000 Reducing gun rights.

01:59:35.000 Taking away guns.

01:59:36.000 That was in her announcement speech.

01:59:37.000 Marjorie, I cannot believe you would say that about her during Black History Month.

01:59:40.000 That's so horrible.

01:59:41.000 Oh, I forgot.

01:59:42.000 She was very observant.

01:59:44.000 We'll do one more super chip before we go to the member segment.

01:59:47.000 We have Beastly who says, question for Marjorie.

01:59:50.000 You say you have a national divorce and we need to stand against China. 0.99

01:59:53.000 How is that possible with a weaker America suffering from CCP subversion?

01:59:57.000 Well, I talked about the national divorce as one option that hopefully we don't have to do, but we may end up having to be there because Democrats and their authoritarian policies and controls may force us to that point.

02:00:12.000 But I said we also need to look towards each other and put aside our differences and realize that China is our real enemy. 0.99

02:00:18.000 What I was getting is that it was worrying.

02:00:20.000 Do you mean the CCP?

02:00:21.000 The CCP.

02:00:22.000 When I think of the Chinese people, I feel like they're enslaved. 0.82

02:00:24.000 They're like under the boot.

02:00:26.000 Not the people, the government, the CCP.

02:00:28.000 Yeah, the Chinese Communist Party, which is like 0.00001% of that population or something.

02:00:33.000 Yeah.

02:00:34.000 A very powerful and evil organization. 0.69

02:00:37.000 Controlling the Chinese people. 1.00

02:00:38.000 So I would like, we'll talk about some, here's what we're going to do.

02:00:42.000 We're going to go start recording our Uncensored Members Only segment, and I want to talk about the CDC and I want to talk about the election things that YouTube makes it very difficult to have honest conversations about.

02:00:53.000 Unfortunately, that's the reality, and we try our best to make sure those conversations can still get out, so we're going to have those conversations.

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02:01:15.000 Thomas, do you want to shout out anything, social media or your website?

02:01:18.000 Just follow Sassy with Massey. 0.99

02:01:21.000 S-A-S-S-Y M-A-S-S-I-E. 1.00

02:01:24.000 That's my hashtag if you're looking for me on Twitter.

02:01:28.000 Are you guys fundraising, by chance, for a re-election or anything like that?

02:01:32.000 Absolutely.

02:01:33.000 I'm supported mostly by small-dollar donations.

02:01:36.000 I don't take any money from big corporate interests or big PACs.

02:01:40.000 So, mtg4america.com.

02:01:43.000 And if anybody wants to pitch in $5, $25, $50, I'm so grateful.

02:01:48.000 That's what keeps me going and that's what helps me fight back against everyone that's trying to take me down.

02:01:53.000 mtg4america.com.

02:01:55.000 By the way, you're smarter than me.

02:01:57.000 I didn't mention the website that would allow you to donate.

02:02:00.000 ThomasMassie.com, you could go there and donate to me.

02:02:04.000 I was number 438 in fundraising out of 435 congressmen.

02:02:10.000 Wow.

02:02:10.000 Wait, what?

02:02:11.000 How is that possible?

02:02:12.000 This is what I wonder.

02:02:13.000 Because he doesn't call and beg for money all the time.

02:02:16.000 Because the non-voting delegates of Guam and Puerto Rico raised more money than me in a six-month period.

02:02:23.000 They don't even get to vote.

02:02:24.000 Wow.

02:02:25.000 And so anyways, I'm not the best fundraiser.

02:02:27.000 Is Guam still upright is what I want to know.

02:02:29.000 I think it's going to tip over because your member from Georgia was concerned about that.

02:02:33.000 Yeah.

02:02:34.000 Anyways, thank you very much.

02:02:38.000 I am Seamus Coghlan.

02:02:39.000 I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.

02:02:41.000 We upload political satire and political cartoons every single week, sometimes twice a week.

02:02:45.000 We have one coming out tomorrow about the feds that I think y'all will enjoy.

02:02:49.000 I want to know when you're doing that Fauci YouTube one.

02:02:52.000 So that's going to be for behind the paywall, because everything we say in that... So we're working on a paywall right now, basically, where we're going to put some exclusive cartoons up.

02:02:59.000 It won't take away from the weekly uploads.

02:03:01.000 We'll still be putting out just as much content, but there will also be extra stuff.

02:03:05.000 And Tim and I recorded this very funny Fauci bit, which will never ever be allowed on YouTube.

02:03:12.000 It would get my channel banned instantly.

02:03:14.000 Can you beep a bunch of stuff out?

02:03:15.000 Put up the edited version on YouTube?

02:03:17.000 Rumble! 0.62

02:03:18.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:03:19.000 You should try a separate one on YouTube.

02:03:21.000 Just beep out 90% of it.

02:03:23.000 You could delete it off Twitter like me.

02:03:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:03:29.000 Dude, you guys, I had so much fun.

02:03:30.000 I learned a lot tonight.

02:03:32.000 This is really great.

02:03:33.000 I hope you guys come back and tell us more because I have a lot more questions and I feel like we at least nailed like a third of like the stuff I would I would have loved to have talked about tonight.

02:03:41.000 I'll come back.

02:03:41.000 Let's do it!

02:03:42.000 I'll be back.

02:03:44.000 Keep pumping these websites.

02:03:45.000 I've got to bring Rand Paul next time.

02:03:46.000 Yes.

02:03:48.000 And Dan Crenshaw.

02:03:49.000 I'd love to have a debate.

02:03:49.000 I think it'd be really fun.

02:03:50.000 I would enjoy a debate.

02:03:53.000 See, I'm one of those, I believe, in the Civil War and the GOP.

02:03:56.000 I think we need to work it out.

02:03:58.000 Iron sharpens iron, and we need to work to be the Republican Party that supports our base and represents our base.

02:04:04.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:04:05.000 Follow me at iancrossland.net.

02:04:06.000 I'll see you later.

02:04:07.000 I hope you guys all enjoyed this as much as I did.

02:04:10.000 I enjoyed it a lot just sitting here and listening and learning.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - February 10, 2022

Timcast IRL - Marjorie Taylor Greene And Thomas Massie Join Discussing Their Lawsuit Against Pelosi

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