Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Pro Abortion Activists Ransack Pregnancy Centers w-Daryl Davis & Bill Ottman

00:00:03.000 It's been a crazy week.

00:00:04.000 We have this story out of Maryland and Portland where pregnancy centers, they're centers for helping women who are pregnant and are, you know, having doubts or having issues or need support.

00:00:17.000 Because they're pro-life, they've been ransacked by pro-abortion activists.

00:00:23.000 And man, the violence and just the anger, it just keeps getting worse.

00:00:30.000 I feel like people are becoming more absolute in their positions and unwilling to compromise.

00:00:33.000 I think most people probably can see that as well.

00:00:36.000 So we'll definitely talk about that.

00:00:37.000 Another element of the story is that these activists, a different group of activists or a similar activist group, published the addresses of several Supreme Court justices because they're upset about the leaked draft on Roe v. Wade.

00:00:50.000 Jen Psaki essentially said Joe Biden doesn't care that they don't care that it's happening.

00:00:55.000 And also, Joe Biden has no position on abortion restrictions.

00:01:03.000 So you've got now, I think Tim Ryan in Ohio said, abortion, no restrictions, none of our business.

00:01:08.000 And that's where it is.

00:01:09.000 Everything's becoming more and more extreme.

00:01:12.000 Now, my view of it is the right seems to be exactly where they've been.

00:01:15.000 They've always wanted to ban abortion.

00:01:16.000 The left now wants to remove restrictions, which is more to the left of, or more extreme than they've ever been.

00:01:20.000 So we'll talk about that too.

00:01:21.000 And then in that, in line with that and the other big news from the past week or so, Elon Musk, Tesla has announced they will cover the costs of women to travel out of state to get abortions, which somehow involves Elon Musk again.

00:01:33.000 So we're going to talk about censorship.

00:01:35.000 Elon Musk, there's a story where apparently they're claiming Trump Good afternoon.

00:01:40.000 How are you?

00:01:40.000 I am fantastic.

00:01:41.000 He's denying it.

00:01:42.000 So we're gonna talk about this censorship.

00:01:44.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene, of course, won her court case.

00:01:46.000 She is eligible to run for re-election.

00:01:48.000 But I think the big conversation tonight is gonna be hyperpolarization, ways to deal with it,

00:01:53.000 ways to connect with people.

00:01:54.000 And joining us to discuss this, and probably one of the foremost experts, is Darrell Davis.

00:01:59.000 Good afternoon, how are you?

00:02:01.000 I am fantastic.

00:02:02.000 Do you wanna introduce yourself?

00:02:04.000 I think you just did.

00:02:04.000 My name is Darryl Davis.

00:02:06.000 I'm a 64-year-old musician, author, and lecturer, and race reconciliator.

00:02:11.000 Right on.

00:02:12.000 I guess the big story around you, aside from the fact that you're a famous jazz musician, is that you actually de-radicalized Klan members.

00:02:19.000 Well, I inspire them to de-radicalize themselves.

00:02:23.000 I have been the impetus.

00:02:24.000 You know, a lot of the media says, you know, black blues musician or black rock and roll musician converts X number of Klansmen.

00:02:31.000 No, I never converted anybody.

00:02:34.000 I have been the impetus for over 200 to convert themselves.

00:02:38.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:02:39.000 Cool.

00:02:40.000 Well, this is going to be fascinating because we talk about polarization a lot, and we actually did an event with you, which was really interesting, and it's going to be fun to talk about and kind of understand what happened there.

00:02:49.000 But also, we have Bill Ottman of Mines, who can also talk about how you guys are working together on censorship and how censorship is making things worse.

00:02:57.000 Absolutely.

00:02:57.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:58.000 I'm Bill.

00:02:59.000 I'm founder of Minds.

00:03:00.000 Minds.com.

00:03:01.000 Check it out.

00:03:01.000 Daryl and I just recently published a paper together with multiple PhDs and a bunch of researchers called The Censorship Effect, talking about the blowback of censorship, how to facilitate dialogue, and you know, that's what we need more of.

00:03:15.000 Right on! 0.80

00:03:16.000 Yeah, man, I'm down to talk about censorship because I do believe a little bit of censorship is necessary.

00:03:20.000 Otherwise, you have a wild zoo of people eating each other.

00:03:23.000 So you've got to create a little bit of a just censorial atmosphere, in my opinion.

00:03:29.000 We can talk about that later.

00:03:30.000 Well, just to add to that point real quick.

00:03:32.000 Some content is illegal.

00:03:34.000 Of course.

00:03:34.000 Child abuse.

00:03:35.000 It's got to be censored.

00:03:36.000 And that means someone goes in and has to remove it, right?

00:03:38.000 Dude, Daryl, I just want to point out that you rocked with Chuck Berry.

00:03:42.000 I didn't know, for 37, you said 37?

00:03:44.000 32 years.

00:03:44.000 32 years you played keys with Chuck?

00:03:46.000 I played keys.

00:03:47.000 He's great at inventing rock and roll, right?

00:03:48.000 He did invent rock and roll.

00:03:49.000 So you kind of invented rock and roll with him.

00:03:53.000 No, no, I came long after.

00:03:54.000 Johnny Johnson was his original piano player.

00:03:57.000 I was born in 1958, so right at the peak of rock and roll.

00:04:01.000 That is hot.

00:04:03.000 Thanks for coming, brother.

00:04:04.000 All right.

00:04:05.000 You guys want to get started?

00:04:05.000 Yeah, I am technically here as well.

00:04:08.000 I just want to say, too, we were late getting up to the studio today because all of us who are supposed to do the soundcheck were so enthralled by what Daryl was telling us.

00:04:14.000 So I'm really looking forward to this evening's conversation.

00:04:17.000 I know the chat likes to laugh at me for being excited about my guests, but I'm excited about this conversation for sure.

00:04:22.000 It's going to be great.

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00:05:24.000 Let's get started with this first story.

00:05:26.000 I'm gonna start here, actually, and not necessarily jump in with the violent photos, but this is part of the same story.

00:05:33.000 White House refuses to condemn activist group who posted home addresses of Supreme Court justices.

00:05:40.000 We have another story out of Maryland and Portland, and there are these pregnancy centers where activists went and smashed up the windows and damaged them, ransacked them.

00:05:50.000 These are places where they try and talk to women who are pregnant. 0.99

00:05:53.000 They're called crisis pregnancy centers. 1.00

00:05:56.000 Well, activists who are associated with the pro-abortion side of things, I guess just hate them, and so they went and vandalized and tagged them up.

00:06:04.000 I think seeing stuff like this reach the highest levels, like the White House, where we learned that Supreme Court justices had their addresses posted.

00:06:12.000 We've already seen people lose their lives.

00:06:13.000 It shows that we're reaching this very extreme level of hyperpolarization.

00:06:17.000 So, Daryl, I don't know if you've been following any of the current news about the Roe v. Wade stuff.

00:06:21.000 I mean, things have been kind of crazy over the past couple of years, or, you know, Bill, if you've been following this stuff.

00:06:26.000 But I think we should get started with this, the modern hyperpolarization, and I'm curious what your thoughts are with, you know, far left, as they would call it, or far right, people fighting in the streets.

00:06:36.000 Or how about just this right here, you know, pro-abortion groups smashing up windows and vandalizing buildings?

00:06:42.000 Well you know that's been going on for quite some time.

00:06:45.000 About probably 30 years ago there was an anti-abortion person who was going up and down the east coast bombing abortion clinics and he got arrested I think down in Florida.

00:07:00.000 murdered an abortion doctor in Florida, Dr. Gunn. 0.99

00:07:05.000 The guy who bombed the clinics lived right in Maryland and I remember I was in bed one night at my girlfriend's house and there was thunder and lightning and she lived right up against the woods and we thought a tree had been hit by lightning Because the whole ground rocked.

00:07:26.000 Things fell off the walls, everything.

00:07:28.000 Four o'clock in the morning.

00:07:30.000 And we jumped up out of bed.

00:07:32.000 And then, you know, still thunder and lightning and raining outside.

00:07:36.000 So at 7.30 that morning, things had died down.

00:07:38.000 We came outside.

00:07:40.000 All the neighbors were out.

00:07:41.000 We're all looking in the woods for this fallen tree.

00:07:44.000 And this was on a Sunday morning, about 4 a.m.

00:07:47.000 It wasn't discovered until Monday in Annapolis, Maryland.

00:07:52.000 That guy had bombed the abortion clinic on the other side of the woods.

00:07:56.000 Wow.

00:07:56.000 How far away from your house was it?

00:07:58.000 From her house.

00:07:59.000 It was, gosh, less than a quarter mile.

00:08:04.000 That's wild.

00:08:05.000 It feels like there are political issues that are kind of impossible, in a sense.

00:08:09.000 Like, when we talk with people who are pro-life, because we have Seamus on the show periodically, and we have a lot of conservatives, and they're staunchly pro-life.

00:08:17.000 Their view of this is, For one, most reasonable people, most people, and particularly like all reasonable people, think bombing an abortion clinic is wrong and killing people is wrong.

00:08:29.000 But you have moral questions that arise if the pro-life side genuinely believes that babies are being murdered, then they're trying to stop murder.

00:08:39.000 Now, how do you solve for a problem like that if you can't convince someone that it's wrong to bomb a clinic?

00:08:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:46.000 Like, if they believe in their heart of hearts that they're saving babies, I don't know if you can convince them not to commit these acts.

00:08:55.000 Well, I think, you know, that if they, they're convinced that you're murdering babies and perhaps they're, you know, they're not, they're separating babies from adults.

00:09:04.000 So in their minds, I'm not, I'm not agreeing with them, I'm saying, but in their minds, they're murdering the people who are murdering babies.

00:09:11.000 Right.

00:09:12.000 So therefore they're preventing the murder of babies.

00:09:14.000 Or of just destroying them.

00:09:15.000 That's their justification.

00:09:16.000 Right.

00:09:17.000 It's like, this is where things are getting interesting because we talked about this yesterday.

00:09:21.000 Louisiana has advanced a bill that will make abortion homicide.

00:09:25.000 That will legally list it as homicide.

00:09:27.000 So this is, I mean, this is a political line that is as hard as a line can be.

00:09:33.000 Because once that line is crossed, that means you have serious questions about whether or not someone is justified in using force to stop an abortion doctor from committing an abortion.

00:09:43.000 If the act of abortion is homicide, then there's a legal justification to prevent that from happening.

00:09:47.000 That's if it's codified.

00:09:49.000 Regardless of the law, though, there are people who already believe that to be the case.

00:09:53.000 I thought the conversation you guys had down in Nashville, sort of theorizing about future technology that could potentially enable a fetus to live at a much earlier age.

00:10:04.000 That is a fascinating philosophical conversation that I think people just need to be willing to have because that is what puts it into context.

00:10:13.000 It makes it less emotional.

00:10:15.000 Well, the fascinating thing is we had this conversation where I basically asked if there was a way that, from the moment of conception, a baby could be taken from the womb and put into an artificial womb, a machine that would allow it to live, should we then ban abortion to the extent that the baby is killed and only allow procedures to terminate a pregnancy if the baby is allowed to survive?

00:10:38.000 The issue with that, I suppose, is Everyone on the right basically says like, oh, okay.

00:10:43.000 That's an interesting question.

00:10:44.000 Maybe separating from the mother might be bad.

00:10:46.000 But I've asked a handful of people on the left and they say, meh, who cares?

00:10:49.000 No, I don't know.

00:10:50.000 Why not?

00:10:50.000 Whatever.

00:10:51.000 So, not to get into a technological discussion.

00:10:54.000 My question, I guess, is I'm trying to get, what I'm trying to get into is, are there issues we can't mend?

00:11:00.000 Are there, you know, just ideas that we're never going to be able to rectify amongst I believe so.

00:11:06.000 I mean, you know, we can come close, but there are always going to be issues that will crop up.

00:11:10.000 And then, you know, you have what you just proposed there as a possible viable solution.

00:11:17.000 But when you have things that are that extreme on the right, that extreme on the left, You know, you're not going to change those people necessarily, but what you can do is uplift the middle.

00:11:27.000 When you have that extreme polarization, then what you want to do is strengthen the middle.

00:11:32.000 Pull the middle up.

00:11:33.000 And in doing so, you will pull some of those people on the left and some of those people on the right into the middle as you do that.

00:11:40.000 Sort of like a vortex.

00:11:41.000 Yeah, I think.

00:11:43.000 Have you heard the idea that socialism is able to exist within libertarianism, but libertarianism is not able to exist within socialism?

00:11:53.000 So I think that that's a pretty powerful idea.

00:11:56.000 I mean, I don't I don't necessarily know one way or the other if it's true, but it seems like a true fact.

00:12:04.000 What do you guys think about that?

00:12:05.000 In a fully libertarian system, you have the right to create a socialized system with no problems.

00:12:09.000 In a fully socialized system, you've got a lot of checks and balances you'd have to get through to create a system where you're like, I don't want to be a part of that.

00:12:15.000 Unfortunately, you have to because you're already part of it.

00:12:17.000 That's the idea of socialism.

00:12:19.000 So one of the issues now in the whole Roe v. Wade debate, I tweeted about this earlier, we had Tim Ryan and we had Obama.

00:12:27.000 I'm sorry, not Obama.

00:12:28.000 We had Jen Psaki talking about Biden.

00:12:29.000 I don't know why I said Obama.

00:12:30.000 We had Jen Psaki talking about Biden refusing to condemn late-term abortions. 1.00

00:12:37.000 She was asked, I think it was by Ducey over at Fox News, whether Biden was in favor of restrictions on abortions, and she just, you know, hee-hawed around the answer and was like, it's between a woman.

00:12:49.000 Woman and a doctor, woman and a doctor. 0.97

00:12:50.000 Tim Ryan said the same thing.

00:12:51.000 So for me, I've always been kind of in the center-left position—it used to be the left, liberal position in this country—of like, in the first trimester, maybe into the second.

00:13:02.000 Second and third trimester abortion are kind of just not okay.

00:13:06.000 And it's supposed to be safe, legal, and rare, but now you have one side saying, unrestricted, up to nine months, the woman is about to go into labor, the baby can be aborted, and then you have the right saying, ban outright in every circumstance.

00:13:19.000 So, how do you find that middle?

00:13:22.000 I mean, how do you... Most people are now finding themselves... Like, there's no middle!

00:13:27.000 There's very few people left.

00:13:30.000 I think part of it depends upon the circumstances as to why a particular woman wants an abortion. 0.78

00:13:37.000 I'm not saying, I don't believe that all abortions should be illegal.

00:13:42.000 I don't believe that all abortions should happen either.

00:13:46.000 But I think it depends upon the circumstances.

00:13:49.000 If a woman has been raped by a stranger, if a woman has been raped by her father, or it's a young girl, something like that, you know, these are mitigating circumstances.

00:13:59.000 It's already bad enough, a rape is bad enough, that that woman is going to remember that the rest of her life. 1.00

00:14:04.000 It's going to traumatize her. 0.76

00:14:05.000 It's going to traumatize her even more if it's somebody within her own family, her father, okay?

00:14:12.000 And if that child is produced, She's going to be confronted with that child every day as a reminder.

00:14:21.000 Is that something that we want?

00:14:22.000 You know, that might be a decision for her to make and not for us to make.

00:14:27.000 I suppose the issue is, you know, we've talked to a great deal this past week about the abortion, but I think one way to kind of elevate the conversation is, what do you do when you have two competing political factions that have just moved away from each other?

00:14:43.000 Well, that's what Roe v. Wade is sort of bringing up in the cultural conversation is like, should local areas make that decision?

00:14:52.000 It's almost like that's the solution then to repeal Roe v. Wade or to overturn it.

00:14:58.000 Yeah.

00:14:59.000 It's just crazy how controversial it is and how emotional it is, but we have to have the conversation.

00:15:06.000 Here's what I think.

00:15:07.000 I think that, we mentioned this briefly the other day, if you look at the history of the United States and personhood, that we have a tendency to move towards granting more personhood rights than rescinding them.

00:15:18.000 That in almost every circumstance, we are continually expanding who gets access to what we deem to be civil rights.

00:15:25.000 It wasn't always the case in the United States with racism that people weren't granted full civil rights with women not being able to vote. 0.85

00:15:33.000 I actually think that based on the trends of this country, we're going to move towards completely banning abortion outright.

00:15:40.000 That we'll come to a point where people agree that they're going to say we deem an unborn baby to be a human life guaranteed constitutional protections.

00:15:48.000 What was it like before Roe v. Wade, Daryl?

00:15:50.000 Do you remember much about it?

00:15:53.000 Yes, but vaguely.

00:15:55.000 Was it like a big problem?

00:15:57.000 Was abortion a hot topic?

00:15:58.000 There wasn't social media.

00:15:59.000 Yeah, it was always a hot topic and women were, you know, getting abortions in secret, doing it themselves with a coat hanger or having somebody else do it with a coat hanger.

00:16:09.000 I remember friends of mine even did that.

00:16:13.000 And then there were those who were very vocal about it.

00:16:17.000 They would come out and say, yeah, I had an abortion.

00:16:19.000 What about it?

00:16:21.000 Things like that.

00:16:22.000 But it was always very controversial.

00:16:24.000 And there were a ton of abortion clinics where you could go and get it done legally.

00:16:32.000 And there were always, not always, but a number of times there would be protests out in front of the clinics.

00:16:38.000 It was particularly more violent back then, wasn't it?

00:16:41.000 In some cases, yeah, like I mentioned, the guy, I forgot what his name was, was Michael something, who went up and down the East Coast bombing the abortion clinics.

00:16:50.000 Yeah, you know, that part was violent, and killing doctors who performed abortions, as in Dr. Gunn.

00:16:57.000 But not everything was violent, you know, there were a lot of loud vocal protests in front of some of these clinics.

00:17:03.000 Let me let me ask you about your view of how things have been going today.

00:17:05.000 I mean, there's been a lot in the past several years with the riots of the country over George Floyd.

00:17:11.000 I'm curious as to your perspective.

00:17:13.000 You're older than us, and so you certainly have seen way more.

00:17:17.000 Does it feel worse today in terms of the political divide than it has in the past?

00:17:24.000 I wouldn't say that it really feels worse.

00:17:27.000 You know, there's always been a divide, but people today are more outspoken.

00:17:33.000 And less hidden about their views.

00:17:36.000 It seems to be a more emboldening, if you will, today.

00:17:42.000 Like, you know, you see people who used to wear hoods and masks come out there with their burning crosses and now they come out in their regular clothes and express the same views.

00:17:54.000 So they don't feel like, you know, they have to hide so much anymore because their jobs are being threatened or whatever.

00:18:00.000 We can just get started with your story for people who aren't familiar.

00:18:05.000 So just in terms of the context, I want to talk about modern politics and all this stuff and where we are now, but I think your history might lend some understanding to a lot of people.

00:18:15.000 You're famous for being the—how did you describe it?

00:18:18.000 You inspired people to de-radicalize, the Klan's members.

00:18:23.000 Okay, so to give you a little bit of background on myself.

00:18:25.000 As I said, I'm 64 years old.

00:18:28.000 But I grew up as the child of parents in the U.S.

00:18:30.000 Foreign Service.

00:18:31.000 So I grew up as an American Embassy brat.

00:18:34.000 I was born in 1958.

00:18:35.000 I began traveling around the world at the age of three in 1961.

00:18:42.000 And how it works is you get assigned to a country for two years, you come back here to the States, you're here for a few months, maybe a year, and then you're assigned to another country abroad.

00:18:52.000 So my first exposure to school was overseas.

00:18:57.000 I did kindergarten, first grade, third grade, fifth grade, seventh grade, and all the schools I went to overseas, this is back in the 1960s, My classmates were from Nigeria, Japan, Russia, Czechoslovakia, Germany, France, Italy, Sweden.

00:19:14.000 Anybody who had an embassy in those particular countries, all of their kids went to the same school.

00:19:19.000 So that became my baseline as to what school was supposed to be about.

00:19:23.000 I had all these colors.

00:19:26.000 You guys here are too young to remember black and white TV, but you know about it.

00:19:31.000 I remember black and white TV, and I remember when color TV came in.

00:19:35.000 It was like, wow!

00:19:36.000 It was like a whole new dimension, right?

00:19:38.000 You know, you never wanted to see black and white TV again.

00:19:40.000 You saw something in living color.

00:19:42.000 Okay, well, every time I would come back home, From overseas, back to my own country, the United States, it was like going from color TV to black and white.

00:19:52.000 You know, because we did not have that amount of diversity in this country, in our schools.

00:19:57.000 When I would come back, I would either be in all black schools or black and white schools, meaning the still segregated or the newly integrated. 0.54

00:20:05.000 Just because Brown versus the Board of Education desegregated schools in 1954, it didn't mean that integration took place overnight.

00:20:13.000 It took years and years.

00:20:14.000 But even in many cases still, it's not.

00:20:16.000 Exactly.

00:20:17.000 In fact, the Prince Edward County, Virginia, Shut down.

00:20:23.000 They refused to integrate schools.

00:20:24.000 The public schools.

00:20:25.000 They shut down all public schools in Prince Edward County, Virginia.

00:20:29.000 Not for five days.

00:20:31.000 Not for five weeks.

00:20:32.000 Not for five months.

00:20:34.000 For five years.

00:20:36.000 Years.

00:20:37.000 Okay?

00:20:38.000 Imagine how much education is lost in five years.

00:20:42.000 When you go down there today, people my age, a lot of them are basically functional illiterates because they missed five years of their education.

00:20:49.000 If, you know, if they were in third grade, you know, they didn't go back to school until they were in eighth grade, you know, that kind of thing.

00:20:56.000 So, you know, you're dealing with that kind of thing.

00:20:58.000 So look at kids today who have to go to school over Zoom over the last two years because of the pandemic.

00:21:04.000 Some kids did better than others, but a lot of them did not do so well over Zoom because they weren't getting that personal one-on-one education.

00:21:13.000 Well, as an aside, too, I don't want to derail too much.

00:21:16.000 I think we're going to start seeing something similar because schools have started adopting ideological praxis in their teachings.

00:21:22.000 So instead of telling a kid, you know, 2 plus 2 equals 4, they're saying 2 plus 2 equals 5.

00:21:27.000 Well.

00:21:29.000 In what context are we talking?

00:21:31.000 So you actually had a viral trend where people, teachers, were saying 2 plus 2 equals 5.

00:21:35.000 In what context?

00:21:36.000 It was the 2.4 plus 2.4 equals 4.8, which is rounded up to 5.

00:21:41.000 So if you round down 2.4... I don't know what kind of simplicity mess they were intending, but... It's an issue of tribalism, and it's part of the polarization.

00:21:50.000 The idea is that the people on the right started saying, 2 plus 2 is 4, and sooner or later the woke people are gonna say it's not.

00:21:59.000 And then a point was being made by, you know, left tribal people where they're like, 2 plus 2 could be 5, here's how.

00:22:07.000 And then they say, 2.4 rounds down to 2.

00:22:10.000 But 2.4 plus 2.4 is 4.8, which rounds to 5.

00:22:13.000 Therefore, 2 plus 2 is 5.

00:22:16.000 And then most people who are reasonable are just like, 2.4 plus 2.4 is 4.8.

00:22:22.000 End of story.

00:22:23.000 If you want to make some weird equation that omits information for the sake of making your strange argument, I guess.

00:22:30.000 But they're teaching kids this.

00:22:31.000 You also have a lot of the critical race theory ideology stuff in schools where the kids are getting more of this kind of social emotional learning as opposed to actually learning stuff.

00:22:39.000 Okay, so let's define two terms that you use just so that everybody's on the same page.

00:22:44.000 Not just us here, but everybody out here listening to us.

00:22:47.000 So let's define the term woke.

00:22:51.000 Your definition of the term woke and your definition of the term critical race theory.

00:22:55.000 Woke is typically a reference to like a left tribal identifier.

00:23:00.000 So it has a reference to critical race theory, critical theory, critical gender theory.

00:23:05.000 It encompasses these different schools of thought.

00:23:08.000 We gotta define all these things.

00:23:09.000 Critical race theory is basically the, oh man, it gets tough to actually, is that a stink bug?

00:23:17.000 Critical race theory is critical theory in a racial context.

00:23:21.000 Critical theory is the political theory of the oppressed versus the oppressors.

00:23:25.000 With Karl Marx back in the day, his critical theory was that the wealthy oppress the poor.

00:23:31.000 The proletariat is oppressed, the bourgeoisie oppresses.

00:23:34.000 Kimberly Crenshaw wrote a book called Critical Race Theory which says this doesn't take into context the race, the racial component of the United States.

00:23:41.000 Therefore, Critical Race Theory is white people are dominant and they oppress all people of color.

00:23:48.000 So Critical Race Theory has several different subsequent schools of thought like intersectionality.

00:23:53.000 Critical race praxis is the implementation of these ideas into standardized learning. 0.54

00:23:57.000 than a black man because there's also sexism plus racism.

00:24:01.000 But the sexism plus racism is a different category than the sexism that a white woman 1.00

00:24:05.000 would experience.

00:24:06.000 So this is another school of thought within the realm of critical race theory.

00:24:09.000 Critical race praxis is the implementation of these ideas into standardized learning. 0.54

00:24:15.000 An example would be if I were to give you a math problem, I would say a train leaves

00:24:19.000 Pittsburgh traveling at 100 miles an hour.

00:24:22.000 A train leaves Cincinnati, traveling at 75 miles an hour.

00:24:24.000 They're 300 miles apart.

00:24:25.000 How long?

00:24:25.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:24:26.000 Critical race praxis gives math problems to kids, like in Florida.

00:24:30.000 Jerome was stopped by the police 17 times in the past month.

00:24:34.000 Harold was stopped three times.

00:24:36.000 What percentage are black people stopped by police more than white people?

00:24:40.000 So what they're doing is, it is a math question, but they're injecting an ideology, a praxis of critical race theory.

00:24:47.000 Assuming that Jerome is black.

00:24:49.000 Well, they do these things that are overtly racist.

00:24:52.000 Absolutely.

00:24:53.000 But it'll show a little black character, and it'll show a little white character, and then they'll do this problem.

00:24:58.000 And so, we've started seeing the emergence of a lot of that.

00:25:00.000 What I see from this is one viral video that went around is a kid who didn't understand pronouns.

00:25:05.000 Because this is—wokeness includes what is called critical gender theory, which is boys and girls don't exist, doctors guess gender.

00:25:14.000 And so there's a video of a little boy asking—he's doing a pronoun worksheet.

00:25:20.000 And it says something like, Juan gets on the swing.

00:25:23.000 Which pronoun would you use?

00:25:24.000 Janet uses jump ropes. 0.87

00:25:26.000 Which pronouns would you use?

00:25:27.000 And he put they for all of them.

00:25:29.000 And his mom goes, why did you put they for all of them?

00:25:32.000 And he says, how am I supposed to know if they're boys or girls?

00:25:34.000 And she said, didn't you notice their names?

00:25:37.000 And he was like, but you said there's no boys or girls in names.

00:25:40.000 And so now the kids don't understand basic English grammar because of the practice being injected in the current generation, the current learning systems.

00:25:50.000 So, not to derail too much from what you were saying, because now we're getting particularly verbose.

00:25:56.000 When you talk about these schools, the first thing I think of is, at this point, schools have become so corrupt in many ways, I think regardless of whether we have them or not, people are going to become functionally illiterate.

00:26:07.000 Basically, when you mentioned functional illiterates, I thought of the kid who didn't know how to use pronouns and everything that comprises that problem we're experiencing.

00:26:16.000 Assuming that he doesn't know that Janet is a female name or now is androgynous, right?

00:26:25.000 Where Janet could be a male name or a female name.

00:26:28.000 Like, for example, my name is Daryl.

00:26:30.000 For the longest time, I thought Daryl was always a male name until an actress came along named Daryl Hannah.

00:26:36.000 That's right.

00:26:37.000 Well, so that defines welkness.

00:26:39.000 Was there another term?

00:26:43.000 I think the impossible thing about it is that everything is blended together.

00:26:49.000 And so every issue becomes, with intersectionality, the reality is that if you're talking about race, race and gender are different conversations, but yet they're the same conversation.

00:27:00.000 And so it makes it really hard to talk about anything.

00:27:05.000 Woke blends all of that together.

00:27:08.000 And it's just that it's hard to define because it also means different things to different people.

00:27:13.000 I think I could define wokeness is like, it's like a faux awakening, people feel like they're having awakening right now.

00:27:18.000 And but it's an awakening to like, what they're being told is, is, is real.

00:27:23.000 So they just believe what they're told, rather than a real like, sensual awakening of like having like a Reality shift so we're up.

00:27:30.000 I mean, it's not like a like an internal Struggling.

00:27:30.000 You know what?

00:27:33.000 I mean, maybe it is for them They're probably having a similar feeling to someone that's actually had a spiritual awakening on a hill meditating for 40 days But it's like a false awakening and people are making fun of it calling it.

00:27:43.000 Oh, they're woke.

00:27:44.000 They're so awake now Have you ever heard the term red build?

00:27:47.000 Red build red pilled No It's the inverse of woke, but they basically mean the same thing.

00:27:53.000 Okay.

00:27:54.000 If you are red pill, it's a reference to the matrix.

00:27:56.000 You get the blue pill, the red pill, the red pill wakes you up from the illusion of reality.

00:28:01.000 Woke means you've awoken to what's really going on.

00:28:04.000 And so they mean effectively the same thing, a great realization of the lies you've been told.

00:28:10.000 Based on my understanding, and I think fair research, red-pilled is a bit troll-y and more tongue-in-cheek.

00:28:18.000 Woke is zealous and ideological.

00:28:21.000 But I also think the woke stuff is manipulative and wrong, for the most part.

00:28:26.000 So, you know, we often have people on here and I talk- Well, okay, so for example, when I was in high school, we were taught, in the textbooks, I still got my textbooks, That Robert Perry, Admiral Perry, discovered the North Pole.

00:28:47.000 Not true.

00:28:48.000 You know, Matthew Henson discovered the North Pole.

00:28:51.000 Admiral Perry was a white guy.

00:28:53.000 Matthew Henson was a black guy.

00:28:56.000 Matthew Henson was Admiral Perry's best friend.

00:28:59.000 And they went on the exploration together.

00:29:01.000 Okay?

00:29:02.000 Perry got sick.

00:29:04.000 and told Henson to go on.

00:29:06.000 Henson went on and discovered the North Pole.

00:29:08.000 All right.

00:29:08.000 Interesting.

00:29:09.000 When they got back, Perry told everybody it was Henson.

00:29:14.000 They said, no, we can't give him the credit.

00:29:16.000 And they gave the credit to Admiral Perry.

00:29:18.000 All right.

00:29:19.000 Admiral Perry was buried in Arlington Cemetery.

00:29:24.000 Matthew Henson was buried in a pauper's grave.

00:29:28.000 In the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan was in office as president, there was a bill put forth.

00:29:36.000 Coretta Scott King and some other people came to him.

00:29:39.000 And he passed this bill now in the textbooks.

00:29:44.000 It says, Matthew Henson discovered the North Pole.

00:29:46.000 Now, I knew that all along because my parents told me, even though it wasn't in the textbook.

00:29:50.000 Alright?

00:29:52.000 They exhumed Matthew Henson from the pauper's grave, and now he's buried next to his best friend, Admiral Perry, in Arlington Cemetery.

00:30:01.000 When I was in school, we did not learn that this country had interment camps for Japanese Americans.

00:30:08.000 I didn't learn that until I was in college, and I was incredulous.

00:30:11.000 I was like, what?

00:30:12.000 Are you kidding me?

00:30:12.000 No way!

00:30:13.000 And I asked my parents, and they were like, yeah.

00:30:17.000 Why wasn't it in our textbooks?

00:30:19.000 Because it was a dark blemish on our history.

00:30:23.000 It was a shameful thing that we did in this country.

00:30:25.000 So did I become woke when I was in college?

00:30:28.000 But that's not wokeness.

00:30:30.000 All right, so what is that? 0.98

00:30:31.000 So an example of wokeness is saying things like, all white people are racist.

00:30:37.000 All white people are not racist.

00:30:38.000 But that's wokeness.

00:30:40.000 It's not a reference to understanding how history works.

00:30:42.000 So I'll give you an example.

00:30:44.000 When I was a little kid, I was told in school, Christopher Columbus discovered America, which is just not true.

00:30:49.000 They were already people here.

00:30:50.000 But did you know that?

00:30:51.000 Yes, because I had a mom who told me, They were already people here.

00:30:56.000 And I tell the story all the time.

00:30:57.000 She said, actually, Leif Erikson came to the North American continent a thousand years before Christopher Columbus.

00:31:04.000 But honey, there were already people there, weren't there?

00:31:06.000 And I was like, yeah.

00:31:06.000 And she goes, did they teach you there were already people there?

00:31:08.000 And I was like, yes.

00:31:09.000 And she goes, didn't they discover this continent?

00:31:11.000 And I was like, yeah.

00:31:13.000 And I was like, then why did they tell me that? 1.00

00:31:14.000 And she said, they think you're stupid, but they'll tell you the truth in college. 0.99

00:31:19.000 And that was like a real anti-authoritarian moment for me as a kid. 1.00

00:31:23.000 So was that an awakening or a woke?

00:31:26.000 So wokeness doesn't refer to learning the truth.

00:31:30.000 Wokeness is typically, I mean, depending on who you're talking to.

00:31:34.000 If you're talking to people who are trying to avoid the overt ideologies of either, you know, extremists, any extremist faction, wokeness is typically a pejorative term to reference someone who says, you're white, so you're racist.

00:31:46.000 That's considered to be woke.

00:31:47.000 Now, some people might use woke in a more lax manner, like, perhaps towards the angle you're describing it, but based on this show and how we approach things, most people who watch would probably say they're anti-woke, but they completely agree with what you've said, or would completely agree with the idea that Native Americans already were here.

00:32:05.000 Right.

00:32:06.000 The proper way to describe it is Christopher Columbus discovered the Bahamas for Europeans.

00:32:13.000 As part of the European culture, he was the first to kind of bring that information to them.

00:32:19.000 But again, Leif Erikson, also of European descent, discovered it.

00:32:22.000 It didn't really make the rounds in the European continent, and other people were already here who had discovered the land.

00:32:27.000 Typically, typically people do not use woke as like a badge.

00:32:31.000 You know, people who support critical... Even woke people don't say that.

00:32:35.000 No, they don't.

00:32:35.000 And so people who are like pro-critical race theory wouldn't necessarily call themselves that.

00:32:40.000 And I think, look, most people are pro-uncensored history.

00:32:44.000 I think that is a common thing that we need to get on the table.

00:32:47.000 No, I would have to disagree with that.

00:32:49.000 I don't have a statistic in front of me, but I think we all here want uncensored history.

00:32:56.000 And so it gets complicated because critical race theory, some people are trying to say that critical race theory is the truth of history.

00:33:04.000 That's some people's perspective.

00:33:05.000 Other people would agree with teaching what you just said was omitted.

00:33:08.000 Right.

00:33:10.000 But that's not the same as critical race theory.

00:33:13.000 So, take a look at this image.

00:33:15.000 This is part of a book called Not My Idea, in which grade school children are shown the whiteness contract with a white hand reaching out and a devil tail and goat's feet.

00:33:25.000 I think this is wrong, to teach children that white people are inherently evil, inherently oppressors, or inherently racist, that all white people are racist, and this is what woke typically means when we criticize it.

00:33:37.000 I think we should tell people that some people are good, some people are bad, and race is not relevant to whether or not someone will be a good or bad person.

00:33:45.000 You've got to find out who they are within.

00:33:47.000 Would you agree?

00:33:48.000 I would agree 100% with that.

00:33:49.000 Well, the problem is, is what they're teaching kids in school.

00:33:52.000 Dude, we can see your pointy tail. 1.00

00:33:54.000 Contract binding you to whiteness. 0.96

00:33:56.000 You get stolen land, stolen riches, special favors.

00:33:59.000 Whiteness gets to mess endlessly with the lives of your friends, neighbors, loved ones, and fellow humans of color.

00:34:04.000 Sign below for the purpose of profit.

00:34:06.000 Okay, but now, so that's called critical race theory by your definition, correct?

00:34:10.000 Yes.

00:34:10.000 a white hand reaching out with a whiteness conjugate and devil's tail I

00:34:13.000 think is particularly dangerous to be teaching children.

00:34:18.000 Okay but now so that's called critical race theory by your definition

00:34:22.000 correct? Yes. Okay but there are also people who are calling critical race theory

00:34:28.000 teaching the transparent history okay.

00:34:32.000 People banning books, not talking about... These are the books being banned.

00:34:38.000 Those are not the only books being banned, right?

00:34:40.000 They're talking about banning books on Rosa Parks' biography out of schools, not talking about slavery, not talking about, you know, oppression and things like that.

00:34:49.000 They're calling that critical race theory as well.

00:34:51.000 But hold on.

00:34:54.000 The challenge with this is I'm not familiar with a book on Rosa Parks being banned.

00:34:58.000 And in the experience that we've all had here, and probably most of our listeners, when recently Florida banned math books, the left came out, woke people and said, see, now they're banning math.

00:35:09.000 The issue was they were banning the math I explained to you, where the math problem isn't a math question.

00:35:14.000 It says how many people are racist, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:17.000 So Florida said, we don't want ideological praxis in our math books, we want math problems.

00:35:24.000 So when we hear that they're banning books, it's a question of which books, why?

00:35:27.000 Well, what we did was we had several experts on who brought the books to us and showed us, this is the easiest and most notable example, saying whiteness is the devil. 0.92

00:35:38.000 Do you remember about four years ago, the state of Texas, Changed all the public school books.

00:35:46.000 They removed the words slave and slavery and changed it to immigrant worker.

00:35:53.000 That would be bad.

00:35:54.000 At the same time, the New York Times removed the word slave from their game Wordle because it was offensive.

00:36:00.000 So I would consider all of that to be in the same line of authoritarian censorship we don't want.

00:36:05.000 Okay, so there was a big protest and I think it was Macmillan and Press or whatever that did all the Texas school books.

00:36:12.000 Had to recall all those books and rewrite them and now it's enslaved people as opposed to slaves.

00:36:21.000 So there is an effort.

00:36:23.000 I think they did this.

00:36:24.000 Didn't they remove master and slave from some coding language?

00:36:27.000 Yeah, on Git.

00:36:28.000 Right.

00:36:29.000 Yeah.

00:36:29.000 So I oppose exactly what you described.

00:36:32.000 And no matter where it's coming from, typically what we're seeing today, I don't think woke people Well, actually, I'll take that back.

00:36:41.000 They literally ban the word slave from Git.

00:36:43.000 GitHub.

00:36:44.000 GitHub.

00:36:45.000 And the New York Times, they have this game called Wordle, where it's every day you try to guess a five-letter word, you literally can't guess the word slave, because it's offensive.

00:36:55.000 I think that's bad.

00:36:56.000 I don't think this book should be banned from schools.

00:37:01.000 I think this book should be banned from curriculum, in which the teacher says, child, learn the truth.

00:37:06.000 Whiteness is the devil. 0.94

00:37:07.000 I think a teacher could say to a more age-appropriate group, take a look at this book and what these people believe about this idea and approach it But there are people who also consider critical race theory showing pictures of the four black people trying to integrate the Woolworth's food counter and having stuff poured on their heads. 0.97

00:37:28.000 The girl walking, Ruby Bridges, walking into the school with the white people yelling behind her and all that kind of stuff.

00:37:35.000 They consider that critical race theory and they don't want their kids seeing that.

00:37:38.000 So the issue is These things can exist within the ideology of critical race theory in the context of critical race theory is rooted in Marxist, the Marxist philosophy of oppressed and oppressor.

00:37:51.000 I do not agree with that.

00:37:52.000 I think that's wrong.

00:37:53.000 And I think when you put a racial tone on that.

00:37:56.000 It's extremely dangerous because what they've started doing at Dearborn University in Michigan, they created a POC and non-POC digital cafe, meaning white people only, people of color only. 0.53

00:38:10.000 In Seattle, they created diversity, equity, inclusion events for POC only, non-POC only, and that's under critical race theory.

00:38:17.000 And they justified exactly how you explained it.

00:38:19.000 They show racism from the past we all think is wrong and then say, see, shouldn't black people have their own private spaces separate from white people? 0.58

00:38:26.000 And I say, if people in a private context, you know, within a certain reason, I guess it's fine if you have a private club.

00:38:33.000 In public accommodations like universities and libraries, I don't think they should be allowed to force gender segregation.

00:38:41.000 I'm sorry, racial segregation.

00:38:44.000 They're the ones who actually want to get rid of gender segregation as well. 1.00

00:38:46.000 Well, just a few years ago, what, maybe four years ago, five years ago, maybe even less, a high school in Mississippi, the principal had two separate proms, a black prom and a white prom, and you were not allowed to have any integrated couples at these proms.

00:39:04.000 And was this a critical race theorist who had implemented it?

00:39:08.000 I don't know.

00:39:10.000 They kind of overlap because it wouldn't be surprising if there are cases in the country where there's actual old school segregation, but you sort of have new school segregation and old school segregation coming together.

00:39:21.000 So Daryl, like what is your response to the kind of the new... Take a look at this, right?

00:39:25.000 I'm willing to bet the story you heard was actually about someone who was woke creating black only spaces like this story we have from Atlanta. 0.92

00:39:32.000 No, it wasn't a black person creating the segregated... No, no, they're white liberals who do these things.

00:39:38.000 There are white progressive women who are overwhelmingly the woke who are creating racially segregated spaces. 1.00

00:39:44.000 It's against the law.

00:39:45.000 Atlanta parent filed complaint over alleged segregation of classrooms.

00:39:49.000 This wasn't a white right-wing racist who created this.

00:39:52.000 It was a progressive white woman who created white- I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 0.92

00:39:56.000 I think this was actually a black principal.

00:39:58.000 In the school, they segregated all the black students under the guise of critical race theory.

00:40:03.000 There's an idea that came from Derrick Bell.

00:40:06.000 Are you familiar with Derrick Bell?

00:40:08.000 He believed that Plessy vs. Ferguson was correct.

00:40:11.000 That separate but equal was the right way to approach racial issues.

00:40:15.000 I believe it was Derrick Bell.

00:40:16.000 I don't have the book pulled up in front of me.

00:40:18.000 One of the arguments that I've heard, at least him be attached to, and I heard quite frequently with the Black Lives Matter protests, was that before desegregation, the black community had their own wealth, their own neighborhoods, and they had their own economy.

00:40:34.000 Segregation took a weaker economy in the black community and forced it into the white economy, putting it underneath it, allowing white people to then oppress black industry and black business. 0.92

00:40:45.000 That is the justification they use for bringing back segregation, the actual argument among the woke that Plessy v. Ferguson was right. 0.68

00:40:53.000 And I, me, I come from a second-generation mixed-race family who told me the stories of life before Loving v. Virginia and the Civil Rights Act and the things they went through getting spit on.

00:41:03.000 I'm sure you know better than even I do, because I grew up after the fact.

00:41:08.000 And so when I started hearing the things that were coming out of the modern iteration of the left and critical race theory, I said, those are bad racist things we should oppose.

00:41:16.000 Okay, so now let's understand something. 0.86

00:41:18.000 Okay, so when you say that, you know, they say, okay, all white people are oppressors, all white people are racist, all black people are victims, and they'll always be victims. 0.97

00:41:28.000 No, I don't agree with that. 0.97

00:41:30.000 You know, that's not the way it is.

00:41:32.000 Okay.

00:41:32.000 But that's the core definition of critical race theory.

00:41:35.000 No, it's not the core definition of critical race theory.

00:41:37.000 I gotta stop.

00:41:37.000 Basically, critical theory.

00:41:39.000 Critical theory was Marx's approach to class-based oppression.

00:41:43.000 And he said, the rich oppress the poor. 0.98

00:41:46.000 Kimberlé Crenshaw in her opening chapter literally says, white people oppress black people. 0.96

00:41:52.000 It is critical race theory. 0.96

00:41:54.000 No, I disagree with that.

00:41:55.000 I'd have to see that because I've seen Kimberlé Crenshaw interviewed.

00:41:59.000 Okay.

00:42:00.000 And she has been challenged with that by the other guy.

00:42:03.000 What's his name?

00:42:04.000 Kendi or somebody.

00:42:05.000 Ibram X. Kendi?

00:42:05.000 Yes.

00:42:06.000 Okay.

00:42:07.000 Well, two different schools.

00:42:08.000 They're both the same school.

00:42:09.000 No.

00:42:10.000 Two different schools.

00:42:10.000 No.

00:42:11.000 No, no, no, no.

00:42:12.000 Okay.

00:42:13.000 What you're saying leans more towards what Kendi has stated.

00:42:18.000 For my watching Crenshaw be interviewed, no, that is not the case.

00:42:23.000 Okay.

00:42:25.000 I don't have the computer here to bring it up, but I would say research that.

00:42:29.000 That is not, you know, there are several different definitions of critical race theory.

00:42:34.000 And so, you know, there's no one universal definition of it.

00:42:37.000 I think what happened is that the Romans had a slavocracy that spread into Europe and then into like feudalism.

00:42:44.000 So they had still slaves as like their feudal people, the peasants. 0.96

00:42:47.000 And then they, because their skin happened to be white or light, then they had enslaved people from around the North African coast and the east so that their slaves happened to have different color skins. 0.69

00:42:57.000 And now because of that, it's created a system where the generations that follow those slaves Had less education and less wealth in the slave owners, but it wasn't because the skin color. 0.69

00:43:08.000 It just happened to be the Roman Empire happened to be the dominating empire.

00:43:12.000 I don't think... Well, you know, the Roman Empire evolved out of Africa.

00:43:15.000 Okay.

00:43:16.000 Italians come from Africa.

00:43:18.000 The Moors.

00:43:19.000 The Moors.

00:43:19.000 Exactly.

00:43:20.000 Precisely. 0.93

00:43:21.000 And Southern Italy, those Italians are dark. 1.00

00:43:25.000 Yeah.

00:43:25.000 The Sicilians particularly.

00:43:26.000 Exactly.

00:43:27.000 Precisely.

00:43:28.000 And I think that the racial component's been misappropriated to this class issue that we have of, like, the descendants of slaves, like, fifth, sixth, seventh generation slave children of, like, you know, their great-great-great-grandfather was a slave, didn't have any education, so there's no familial wealth, or there's less familial wealth.

00:43:44.000 My great-great-grandfather was a slave.

00:43:46.000 Okay.

00:43:47.000 I'm a descendant of slaves.

00:43:49.000 Wow.

00:43:49.000 Okay.

00:43:50.000 Now we, you know, we were promised, um, at the end of slavery, what?

00:43:55.000 40 acres and a mule.

00:43:57.000 Find me one person who got that.

00:43:59.000 Okay.

00:44:01.000 Japanese Americans who were in interment camps, or their descendants, have received reparations.

00:44:09.000 Native Americans, if you have one-sixteenth Native American blood, you can get government money. 0.93

00:44:16.000 I got Cherokee in me, but I've never gone to get any money from it.

00:44:20.000 So we've made the apologies to Native Americans. 1.00

00:44:24.000 We've made the apologies to Japanese Americans. 1.00

00:44:28.000 This country has never, never apologized for slavery.

00:44:33.000 The person who came the closest to apologizing, but never apologized, was President Bill Clinton.

00:44:39.000 What he said was, slavery was wrong.

00:44:43.000 Those were his words.

00:44:44.000 Now saying something is wrong, and saying we're sorry for doing it, are two different things.

00:44:49.000 How many people died liberating the Japanese from the internment camps?

00:44:54.000 I don't know the numbers.

00:44:55.000 I think it's zero?

00:44:57.000 They just opened the camps after the war, didn't they?

00:44:59.000 I don't know the history of that action.

00:45:00.000 So I think this country overtly did wrong by putting people in these camps and then realized they did wrong, but I think... They also did wrong by putting people in shackles and selling them on the courthouse steps as property.

00:45:12.000 Absolutely.

00:45:13.000 I suppose that the main difference, though... I actually agree with you.

00:45:17.000 I actually think there should be some form of reparations.

00:45:21.000 And what's that called?

00:45:22.000 know if it's ever been, uh, I don't know if the politicians will ever actually do anything

00:45:26.000 meaningful in terms of this.

00:45:28.000 And what's that called?

00:45:30.000 Lying?

00:45:31.000 No, it's called racism.

00:45:32.000 That they won't do anything meaningful?

00:45:34.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:45:34.000 But I mean, you have black political leaders who also won't do anything meaningful. 0.97

00:45:37.000 You got black people who are worthless, just like you got white people who are worthless. 1.00

00:45:41.000 Nobody has a monopoly on racism or being worthless. 1.00

00:45:45.000 I don't think that it's a prejudice against race is the reason why they're not doing it.

00:45:48.000 I think it's because they want to hold that over as an issue to gain power in politics.

00:45:52.000 Have you listened to Coleman's arguments on reparations?

00:45:55.000 Coleman Hughes?

00:45:55.000 Coleman Hughes, yeah.

00:45:57.000 I mean, so it's a... I don't think...

00:46:00.000 The fact that it hasn't happened yet necessarily means racism.

00:46:04.000 It's more so extremely complicated because where do you draw the line?

00:46:08.000 What percentage of black do you have to be?

00:46:11.000 It's very complicated.

00:46:12.000 I just have to say... No, it's not complicated at all.

00:46:13.000 Listen.

00:46:15.000 Does racism exist?

00:46:17.000 Yes or no?

00:46:17.000 Absolutely.

00:46:18.000 Yeah.

00:46:18.000 I think that people are afraid of what they're not familiar with sometimes.

00:46:22.000 But does racism exist?

00:46:24.000 Yes.

00:46:24.000 We're the same race.

00:46:25.000 We're the human species.

00:46:27.000 I understand.

00:46:28.000 There's only one race, but you know what I'm asking. 0.76

00:46:30.000 Small R, yeah.

00:46:30.000 Big R over there.

00:46:31.000 Does racism exist in this country?

00:46:34.000 Are there people of different colors who are discriminated against?

00:46:39.000 This country owned people as property. 0.70

00:46:42.000 We were considered, people like me, were considered three-fifths of a human being.

00:46:47.000 We were bought and sold on the courthouse steps.

00:46:50.000 Families ripped apart, just like when you got your first pet.

00:46:53.000 You know, somebody's cat or dog had a litter and your parents took you over and said, pick out one.

00:46:58.000 And you took that kitten or that puppy from its mother.

00:47:02.000 That's what happened to human beings in this country.

00:47:05.000 Okay?

00:47:05.000 We were taken from our families.

00:47:08.000 We were raped in front of our children, in front of mother's husbands, and things like that. 1.00

00:47:14.000 You know, about nine out of every ten black people in this country have some white blood in them. 0.99

00:47:20.000 Some of it consensual, some of it non-consensual. 0.96

00:47:25.000 Let me tell you this, Thomas Jefferson, y'all know he had a slave mistress, right?

00:47:30.000 Yeah.

00:47:31.000 Named Sally Hemings.

00:47:32.000 But I bet you didn't know this, and if you doubt me, check it out.

00:47:37.000 What was Thomas's wife's name?

00:47:39.000 Was it Martha or Mary?

00:47:41.000 I forgot now.

00:47:41.000 I think it was Martha, wasn't it?

00:47:43.000 Martha Jones?

00:47:44.000 No, Jefferson.

00:47:45.000 I remember Washington's wife.

00:47:48.000 She's Martha for sure.

00:47:49.000 Okay, so it's Mary.

00:47:50.000 They're both Martha.

00:47:51.000 They're both Martha?

00:47:51.000 Okay.

00:47:52.000 Like Bruce Wayne and Superman.

00:47:54.000 They're moms. 0.85

00:47:55.000 Bruce Wayne and Superman?

00:47:56.000 Both their moms are Martha. 0.51

00:47:57.000 Martha Kent and Martha Wayne.

00:47:59.000 Okay, so Sally Hemings, who was President Thomas Jefferson's slave mistress, Did you know that she was a half-sister to Thomas Jefferson's wife, Martha Jefferson?

00:48:16.000 You need to check that out.

00:48:17.000 That's not in your history book, but you can find it because Thomas Jefferson's father-in-law, Martha's father.

00:48:26.000 He had slaves too, right?

00:48:28.000 And he had an affair with Sally Hemings' mother, which produced Sally Hemings.

00:48:33.000 If you look at a picture of Martha Jefferson and a picture of Sally Hemings, they look very similar.

00:48:40.000 One darker, one lighter.

00:48:42.000 How much is one human life worth?

00:48:45.000 You can't put a value on it?

00:48:48.000 828,000 casualties from the Union soldiers fighting to end slavery.

00:48:52.000 828,000 people died.

00:48:54.000 Endless amounts of wealth destroyed, homes ransacked, burned, completely destroyed.

00:48:58.000 The country almost collapsed trying to end this.

00:49:01.000 So while I still believe That there's an issue of operations in terms of we cannot have, you know, people, you know, I've mentioned systemic racism on this show and people don't agree, but I think it's because people misunderstand what the idea actually is behind it.

00:49:15.000 So we'll get to that in a second.

00:49:17.000 I think there needs to be, you know, I lean liberal on all these positions.

00:49:21.000 There needs to be some way to strengthen the weakest link in this country.

00:49:25.000 those who are historically impoverished or generationally impoverished.

00:49:30.000 I think after we did away with a lot of the laws that were bad, I think after we had

00:49:35.000 constitutional amendments and then ultimately new laws that codified you cannot do these things,

00:49:41.000 we now need class-based solutions which should disproportionately help those

00:49:45.000 who are disproportionately affected.

00:49:46.000 Okay, so in the 1940s and 1950s, a lot of black people in this country moved to France.

00:49:56.000 Thank you.

00:49:57.000 Now, people over in France are a lot whiter than white people in this country.

00:50:03.000 All right?

00:50:04.000 The French people treated these black people as equals.

00:50:08.000 That's why we moved there.

00:50:09.000 Ertha Kitt was one of them, who played Catwoman on Batman.

00:50:14.000 She was the one who had the cat growl, right?

00:50:20.000 James Earl, not James Earl Jones, Paul Robeson, Memphis Slim, Josephine Baker.

00:50:25.000 A lot of these people moved to France because they were being treated as equals.

00:50:30.000 Alright?

00:50:31.000 So, you know, when people say all white people are oppressors, no, that's not true.

00:50:36.000 Okay?

00:50:37.000 That's because people have been exposed to only a small group of white people, and those are the people here in this country. 0.95

00:50:47.000 People in France did not oppress black people.

00:50:49.000 All right, they didn't own slaves.

00:50:51.000 This country owned slaves. 0.95

00:50:52.000 Look, okay, look.

00:50:55.000 You guys are too young to remember.

00:50:59.000 There is only one holiday in this country.

00:51:04.000 One holiday in this country that is named after an American man.

00:51:14.000 One holiday in this country that's named after an American man.

00:51:17.000 And guess what? 0.99

00:51:19.000 That man is black. 0.98

00:51:21.000 And people had a fit over that. 0.79

00:51:23.000 It took decades to get Martin Luther King Day.

00:51:27.000 People did not want to put it up there because he's a black man.

00:51:30.000 There used to be two white guys who had a holiday each to himself.

00:51:35.000 We used to have George Washington Day and we had Abraham Lincoln Day.

00:51:40.000 And then it was decided that we had too many holidays.

00:51:43.000 So they combined Washington Day and Lincoln Day into one day called President's Day.

00:51:48.000 Alright?

00:51:49.000 But I remember when I went to school, we got off for Washington Day and we got off for Lincoln Day.

00:51:54.000 Now, but we had to fight, fight, fight to get Martin Luther King Day.

00:51:54.000 Alright?

00:51:59.000 Yet, we celebrate.

00:52:01.000 We celebrate.

00:52:02.000 There is another guy who has a holiday all to himself.

00:52:06.000 All right.

00:52:06.000 He's not an American.

00:52:08.000 He didn't discover a damn thing. 1.00

00:52:10.000 He was a murderer, a pillager, and a rapist. 1.00

00:52:14.000 And his name? 1.00

00:52:15.000 Christopher Columbus.

00:52:17.000 Okay?

00:52:18.000 Martin Luther King never raped anybody, never pillaged any place, and never... and... and...

00:52:24.000 He gave his life bringing people together.

00:52:27.000 But yet, we had no problem celebrating Christopher Columbus who didn't discover America.

00:52:32.000 As Tim said, how do you discover something people already hear when you arrive? 0.78

00:52:36.000 Yeah, his brothers were the real psychos too.

00:52:39.000 Columbus let his brothers ransack. 0.90

00:52:42.000 I think it was where they in Haiti.

00:52:43.000 Is that where they set up shop?

00:52:44.000 It was in the Bahamas somewhere and he just let his two brothers like Drag women down the street by their hair as they would beat them and rape them and stuff It was hey, I want to confirm a couple things you mentioned earlier from Newsweek. 0.73

00:52:54.000 There's an article from this is like September 21 Martin Luther King jr.

00:53:00.000 And Rosa Parks books among those banned in Pennsylvania School District I didn't read into this article and I don't know why they were banned, but that's an article from Newsweek I'll tell you, here's the challenge.

00:53:09.000 Very quick, the other thing is Sally Hemings is apparently the half-sister of Jefferson's wife, Martha Wales Jefferson.

00:53:15.000 That's from Monticello.org.

00:53:16.000 One of the challenges with any cursory story about banning books is that we recently had a book banned in a bunch of schools called Genderqueer.

00:53:25.000 The Washington Post and the New York Times wrote that it's just a story about growing up queer and a story that kids need.

00:53:31.000 But the book actually also displays graphic images of sex between what is probably minors, and Amazon rates it as being 18 up.

00:53:40.000 When you hear the story, just in passing or on the surface, if you actually read the New York Times and the Washington Post, they won't tell you why the book was actually banned.

00:53:50.000 They'll simply say anti-trans or anti-queer bigots banned the book because they're banning books. 0.97

00:53:56.000 You then actually open the book and say, whoa, they wanted middle schoolers to see blowjobs? 0.99

00:54:00.000 Yeah, I don't know about that, but that's actually in the book. 0.60

00:54:02.000 I can't show you the book on YouTube, because we'd get banned if we showed it.

00:54:05.000 So, Tim, can you confirm that there's kind of a split within critical race theory between these two different camps that Daryl's talking about?

00:54:11.000 Well, I call it a Mott & Bailey.

00:54:13.000 Right, so when you actually, in that, what is it?

00:54:18.000 I always confuse the two.

00:54:19.000 One of them, are you familiar with the Mont and Bailey argument?

00:54:21.000 No.

00:54:21.000 They'll say something like, we're just trying to teach the true history of racism in America.

00:54:27.000 And then you go, oh, okay, well then what is this? 0.94

00:54:30.000 Or I'm sorry, the way it works is they'll say something like, all white people are racist. 0.99

00:54:35.000 All white people are oppressors because whiteness is property. 0.99

00:54:37.000 Kimberly Cruncher actually said that. 0.99

00:54:39.000 It's in her original book.

00:54:40.000 Whiteness as property grants people specific access to things other people can't. 0.64

00:54:43.000 Therefore, white people oppress all other people of color.

00:54:47.000 You then say, hey, whoa, wait a minute. 0.90

00:54:49.000 You can't call all people racist.

00:54:51.000 You can't show a picture of a devil who's white with a whiteness contract. 0.92

00:54:54.000 And then they go, we're just trying to explain the true history of this country.

00:55:00.000 It's a Mott & Bailey argument.

00:55:01.000 You start with this very aggressive approach, and then when someone actually investigates and calls you out, you retreat, saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's just about the true history of this country.

00:55:10.000 So, for someone like me... The true history of this country is this country was built on racism.

00:55:16.000 Well, it was... I mean, the world itself is still just racist, but the United States... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no There is discrimination in the world.

00:55:31.000 For example, in Northern Ireland, here in our country, if you're Catholic and I'm Protestant, there's no big deal.

00:55:38.000 Who cares?

00:55:39.000 In Northern Ireland, it's conflict.

00:55:42.000 That's not racism, okay?

00:55:44.000 That's tribalism.

00:55:46.000 No, that's religion.

00:55:48.000 It's tribalism.

00:55:50.000 I'm not gonna try to be an expert on the Irish Republicans and the Protestants and Catholics and the Orange Order or anything, but at least having been there and covered this, Both sides of this.

00:56:00.000 It's not about Protestant or Catholic.

00:56:01.000 That may be what it's described as.

00:56:04.000 But you notice really weird things.

00:56:06.000 One side's pro-Palestine. 0.76

00:56:07.000 One side's pro-Israel.

00:56:09.000 One side believes in socialism.

00:56:10.000 One side believes in capitalism.

00:56:11.000 One side is pro-militaristic imperialism.

00:56:14.000 One side is anti-intervention.

00:56:15.000 What happens is two different factions hate each other and they adopt whatever the other side opposes.

00:56:21.000 And so tribalism emerges where Isn't that what we're experiencing right here right now with Republicans and Democrats?

00:56:31.000 Is that tribalism?

00:56:33.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:56:36.000 So when they say Candace Owens is a white supremacist, something is wrong, right?

00:56:39.000 They said I was a white supremacist.

00:56:40.000 Something's wrong.

00:56:41.000 I don't always agree with Candace Owens though.

00:56:43.000 Right.

00:56:43.000 So the issue is for me, I don't think race is the principal component of the defied right now.

00:56:48.000 I'm not saying racism doesn't exist.

00:56:49.000 I'm saying in a separate issue, we have a problem of tribalism in this country.

00:56:53.000 And I think, just not to derail you, because I was mentioning, when you mentioned Northern Ireland as being religious, it's tribal.

00:57:01.000 It started as a religious conflict that became more tribalized over time.

00:57:05.000 Same with politics in the United States.

00:57:07.000 Let's go from Northern Ireland to Lebanon. 0.99

00:57:10.000 There, it's Christians and Muslims.

00:57:12.000 In Israel, it's Jews and Palestinians. 1.00

00:57:16.000 So these are religious discriminations.

00:57:18.000 You wouldn't call it racism.

00:57:20.000 In this country, it's racism.

00:57:23.000 Okay?

00:57:23.000 You know, people were bought and sold.

00:57:25.000 People were owned.

00:57:26.000 This country was built on a two-tier society.

00:57:29.000 White supremacy at the top, and slavery at the bottom.

00:57:32.000 That's what built this country.

00:57:34.000 And as we progressed over the decades, we progressed like this.

00:57:39.000 Maybe like this, but never like this.

00:57:42.000 Is it fair to say the Native Americans were on the bottom? 0.99

00:57:44.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:57:45.000 They were basically exterminated.

00:57:50.000 I don't know if we should make it a hierarchy.

00:57:51.000 I don't know if we should make it a hierarchy.

00:57:53.000 You know, and to this day, we still discriminate against Native Americans.

00:57:59.000 You know, there are a lot of phrases, you know, that you don't even realize that are

00:58:03.000 pejorative.

00:58:05.000 Or derogatory.

00:58:06.000 Like, you know, you say, you know, man, that guy went off the reservation.

00:58:10.000 Yeah.

00:58:10.000 Where do you think that comes from?

00:58:11.000 Right.

00:58:11.000 Or it's none of your cotton-picking business.

00:58:13.000 Where do you think that comes from?

00:58:14.000 Well, that one we all know.

00:58:15.000 Okay.

00:58:16.000 That was like Foghorn Leghorn, man.

00:58:18.000 Or he comes from the wrong side of the tracks.

00:58:21.000 So, Daryl, you're president.

00:58:23.000 How do you deal with this?

00:58:24.000 Who's my president?

00:58:26.000 No, I'm saying, theoretically, if you were president.

00:58:28.000 Oh, if I was president, okay.

00:58:29.000 If you were president, how are you handling this?

00:58:33.000 I'm having more talk, more discussion, the same way I'm handling it right now.

00:58:37.000 I bring opposing forces together.

00:58:40.000 What about specifically in terms of reparations?

00:58:42.000 What would you like to see?

00:58:44.000 What I would like to see, A, is an apology, okay?

00:58:49.000 And B, reparations in terms, perhaps, of education, tuitions.

00:58:56.000 Not necessarily be handing out people money, necessarily, but provide people the means to get a great education.

00:59:04.000 All right?

00:59:05.000 Because that way you can help uplift yourself.

00:59:10.000 Let's go back to the abortion thing.

00:59:12.000 What do you think about the history of Planned Parenthood?

00:59:14.000 Are you familiar with it?

00:59:15.000 The history of it?

00:59:15.000 No, I'm not familiar with the history of it.

00:59:17.000 I know the name, but I'm not familiar with all the... She was a eugenicist, and one of her... We can't say the name of the project she created because it uses an iteration of the N-word, which would get us in trouble on YouTube.

00:59:28.000 But her idea was to go around to the black community and start propagating birth control practices to stop black people from having kids. 1.00

00:59:37.000 Let me tell you something. 0.84

00:59:37.000 My mother was a victim of that. 0.84

00:59:39.000 Okay.

00:59:40.000 There was a big scandal back in the fifties where doctors were systematically giving women hysterectomies in order to cut down the black population.

00:59:51.000 That's right.

00:59:51.000 And my mother was a victim of that.

00:59:53.000 And you don't find that out until, you know, 20, 40 years later, just like the Tuskegee experiment, just like Agent Orange, you know, the government doing all these kinds of things and you don't find out about it until much later.

01:00:06.000 Yeah, or like Pfizer data dumps and stuff like that.

01:00:09.000 They wanted to wait 75 years to give that information out.

01:00:12.000 But I digress.

01:00:14.000 I'm into repairing the system, too.

01:00:15.000 Reparation, whatever you want to call it.

01:00:16.000 Repairing it.

01:00:17.000 And I agree, I don't think throwing money at people is the way to repair communication.

01:00:21.000 I mean, obviously, communication is real.

01:00:23.000 Do you think school choice is legit?

01:00:24.000 Or do you follow that at all?

01:00:25.000 School choice?

01:00:26.000 Yeah, it's instead of like people sending their kids to a public school every year that costs a certain amount of money, instead you get a voucher for that amount of money that you can spend at any school of your choice or homeschooling, if you set up a homeschooling curriculum.

01:00:40.000 Does that appeal to you at all?

01:00:43.000 I'd have to look at that some more.

01:00:44.000 Also, it was very vague, and I don't know if I described it exactly right, but it's the idea that instead of having to adhere to a public school system or private, that you would get to choose where you send your kid, and you'll have credits along with that.

01:00:56.000 Because I think education and communication is the key to moving forward.

01:00:59.000 Absolutely.

01:01:00.000 I'm 100% pro-education.

01:01:03.000 And, you know, it would have to be schools that, you know, that are top-notch.

01:01:08.000 You know, you would have the right to go to those schools.

01:01:10.000 I mean, there was a time where I couldn't go to Harvard or I couldn't go to Princeton because of the color of my skin.

01:01:16.000 That's why we have what we call HBCUs, right?

01:01:19.000 Historically Black Colleges and Universities.

01:01:21.000 That's why the United Negro College Fund was founded and things like that.

01:01:26.000 So, and by the way, I went to an HBCU.

01:01:29.000 I went to Howard University.

01:01:31.000 Which was founded by General George Howard, who was a white guy.

01:01:35.000 Is that gonna do it?

01:01:37.000 So, I'm trying to pull up the specific story.

01:01:42.000 Google's not too... Let me see if I can do this.

01:01:45.000 I did have another thing pulled up I want to ask you about.

01:01:47.000 I hope that YouTube can start to understand context of language.

01:01:47.000 Sure.

01:01:52.000 Well, I mean, we'll see.

01:01:54.000 If the algorithm detects the word that Daryl just said and demonetizes the video, that is just so unacceptable.

01:02:02.000 What did I do?

01:02:03.000 No, it's okay, it's okay.

01:02:04.000 Use the N-word, which... N-N-word.

01:02:06.000 So let you...

01:02:07.000 N-N word. 0.61

01:02:08.000 Oh.

01:02:09.000 Let me ask you, we have a story from Independent...

01:02:12.000 Harvard University will hold first ever black-only graduation ceremony.

01:02:16.000 This is from May 2017.

01:02:18.000 Do you agree with institutions creating racially segregated... No.

01:02:23.000 I agree with that.

01:02:24.000 And this is not coming from the right.

01:02:26.000 This is coming from... 1.00

01:02:28.000 Like I said, nobody has a monopoly on stupidity. 1.00

01:02:30.000 Let me, I wanted to ask you about the abortion thing because it's big in the news. 0.99

01:02:33.000 And this is a really fascinating one because one of the things we hear from a lot of people

01:02:37.000 on the pro-life side is that the foundation of Planned Parenthood was eugenicists who wanted to

01:02:44.000 depopulate the black population community in this country. 1.00

01:02:47.000 I just pulled up the 1990 to 2006, it's a census government abortion demographic.

01:02:54.000 And the interesting thing is that in 2006, for every 1000 women, there were 14 abortions,

01:03:00.000 but for every 1000 black women, there were 50 abortions. 1.00

01:03:04.000 So I look at this, and I think- So is that tribalism or is that racism?

01:03:08.000 I think it's racism.

01:03:09.000 Both, probably.

01:03:10.000 Absolutely. 0.95

01:03:10.000 I think- Racist tribals. 0.95

01:03:12.000 I think when you look at the locations of Planned Parenthood facilities, they tend to be in black and Latino areas, not lower income areas. 0.90

01:03:18.000 Just like when you look at all the advertisements and billboards for cigarette smoking and alcohol.

01:03:26.000 Usually in impoverished black areas. 0.94

01:03:29.000 Yep.

01:03:30.000 So I'm curious as to what your thoughts on this would be.

01:03:34.000 Why is it that in 2006, for every 1,000 black women, there's 50 abortions, but for every 1,000 white women, there's 14 abortions?

01:03:43.000 How do you think something like that happens?

01:03:44.000 Racism.

01:03:46.000 Racism.

01:03:47.000 Sure, but are there racists who are advocating for... Are these pro-choice racists who are trying to trick black people, or how is it racist?

01:03:57.000 They're trying to cut, okay, let me tell you what's happening here.

01:04:03.000 When you were a kid, even though you're a lot younger than I am, and when I was a kid, even when your parents were kids, and your grandparents were kids, the black population in this country was 12%.

01:04:18.000 Native Americans, 1%. 0.96

01:04:23.000 Hispanic people, around 2%.

01:04:26.000 Asian people, around 3%.

01:04:29.000 Whites, 86-87%.

01:04:31.000 Alright?

01:04:32.000 The U.S.

01:04:33.000 Census is taken every decade, every 10 years.

01:04:36.000 You can Google uscensus.gov and see the trends.

01:04:39.000 Alright?

01:04:41.000 Today, Black people remain just over 12%, like 12.9, 13%.

01:04:45.000 Alright?

01:04:46.000 like 12.9 13 all right Native Americans remain at 1.0 Asians have pretty much doubled.

01:04:55.000 They're like at 5.9, almost 6%.

01:04:57.000 Latino, Hispanic people have more than quadrupled.

01:05:00.000 17-something percent.

01:05:02.000 If you, if you take just Black people, 12%. 0.92

01:05:06.000 Hispanic people, 17%.

01:05:08.000 That right there is 29% non-white. 0.77

01:05:09.000 That's almost a third, right?

01:05:11.000 there is 29% non-white. That's almost a third. Alright, this is happening. Alright. 0.99

01:05:18.000 Today, the last census was last year.

01:05:21.000 I'm sorry, two years ago.

01:05:22.000 2020.

01:05:23.000 All right.

01:05:24.000 White people in this country right now are 59 percent.

01:05:27.000 All right.

01:05:28.000 In the year 2042, which is two decades from now, This will happen for the first time in our country. 0.95

01:05:37.000 This country will be 50% white, 50% non-white. 1.00

01:05:41.000 Alright?

01:05:41.000 For the first time.

01:05:42.000 Between 2045 and 2050, it's going to flip.

01:05:46.000 And whites will become the minority in this country.

01:05:49.000 Whites are already the minority globally.

01:05:52.000 But in this country they are the majority.

01:05:54.000 You guys may know the term white flight.

01:05:59.000 White flight barely exists in our country anymore because the color of America's landscape 1.00

01:06:06.000 has changed so much that anywhere you go, there's already somebody there who doesn't look like you.

01:06:12.000 And so people are, people, there's a large swath of the white American population

01:06:19.000 that doesn't care about this happening.

01:06:21.000 Hey, it's evolution, I don't care, no big deal, I don't have a problem with that.

01:06:24.000 But there's also a large swath that does care about that.

01:06:27.000 They feel they're getting squished out.

01:06:29.000 You know, we built this country, we wrote the Constitution, and now our identity is being squashed out with race mixing and people moving us out and so forth and so on. 1.00

01:06:39.000 So they are fearing this happening.

01:06:43.000 And this is a problem for them.

01:06:46.000 And this is why, you know, we're seeing a lot of these things, you know, that you're talking about.

01:06:50.000 Voting rights changing.

01:06:53.000 And people, you know... I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:06:55.000 Just what voting rights in particular?

01:06:58.000 Where they're trying to rewrite the Voting Rights Bill.

01:07:01.000 And what's gonna be next?

01:07:02.000 The Civil Rights Bill, right?

01:07:03.000 Well, I just ask because they're doing it everywhere.

01:07:06.000 And it's the left and the right.

01:07:08.000 So I'm not sure of the context, right?

01:07:09.000 So in a bunch of the blue areas, they've changed the voting laws dramatically.

01:07:14.000 Pennsylvania, there was a lawsuit where they ruled the Republicans and Democrats made an agreement on voting changes that was ruled unconstitutional recently.

01:07:21.000 So we're seeing weird... When you have sat on the throne of power, For 400 years, as white supremacy has sat there, it's hard to get off that throne.

01:07:33.000 Okay?

01:07:34.000 Say, as you know, some of us are musicians here, right?

01:07:37.000 So, if you have a number one hit, number one on the charts, you don't want to see yourself fall down to number two, and number three, and number four, and then fall off the top 100.

01:07:46.000 You want to stay at the top.

01:07:48.000 So when you've, when you sat on the throne of power for 400 years, And I came here 400 years ago in 1619, all right?

01:07:58.000 And you know, our last president sat on the throne of power for only four years, and he thinks he's still there.

01:08:07.000 It's hard to give up power.

01:08:09.000 But you're operating under the pretext that a lot of what we're seeing in modern politics from Republicans is due to them not wanting to lose white power?

01:08:19.000 Yes.

01:08:20.000 But where does that idea come from?

01:08:21.000 I'm not saying just Republicans. 0.96

01:08:25.000 There are racist Republicans and there are plenty of racist Democrats.

01:08:30.000 Do you agree with Harvard's affirmative action plans?

01:08:34.000 What are they?

01:08:36.000 I believe in affirmative education.

01:08:38.000 I don't believe in lowering standards and having quotas to get people up there and lower the standard.

01:08:47.000 No, I don't believe in that at all.

01:08:48.000 But I do believe in affirmative education, giving everybody an equal opportunity to get educated.

01:08:55.000 So Harvard, if you're Asian, you have to score, I think, 1300.

01:08:58.000 And if you're black or Hispanic, you have to score lower, like 800 or 900 on your SATs or something like that. 0.99

01:09:03.000 So they make it more difficult for Asians and they make it easier for black and Latinos.

01:09:07.000 I think that's wrong.

01:09:08.000 I think they should do that.

01:09:09.000 I just said that, yeah.

01:09:11.000 Don't lower the bar.

01:09:12.000 Always keep the bar up.

01:09:13.000 This is the issue I'm fighting when I say things like critical race theory should not be allowed in curriculum.

01:09:18.000 Critical race praxis.

01:09:19.000 But now, let's talk about what you just said, okay?

01:09:21.000 So, I've sat there with neo-Nazis and KKK people, et cetera, and I say, how can you hate me?

01:09:29.000 You don't even know me.

01:09:30.000 And sitting two feet in front of me.

01:09:33.000 Well, Mr. Davis, you have to understand one thing. 0.99

01:09:35.000 You know, black people are prone to crime. 1.00

01:09:39.000 And this is evidenced by the fact that there are more black people in prison than white people. 0.99

01:09:44.000 What he is saying is 100% true.

01:09:46.000 The data shows that.

01:09:48.000 The statistics show there are more black people in prison than white people.

01:09:53.000 So what he is saying is 100% right. 0.96

01:09:55.000 But, so that justifies his thinking, you know, we need to keep black people down because the crime will grow. 1.00

01:10:03.000 But, Because it enforces what he already believes as a KKK person or a neo-Nazi or whatever, a white supremacist if you just want to use a general umbrella, he is satisfied with that statistic or that data.

01:10:18.000 He doesn't bother to look behind the data and find out why.

01:10:22.000 And why is it?

01:10:23.000 Why is it? 0.86

01:10:24.000 Because black people tend to get imprisoned for longer sentences than white people committing the same crime. 0.69

01:10:31.000 When you find a state like, let's just say the state of Maryland, a few years ago, well more than 10 years ago, Governor Paris Glenn Denning of the state of Maryland put a moratorium on the death penalty. 0.62

01:10:45.000 As have a lot of states.

01:10:47.000 Because black people were being legally executed for their crimes where white people went to prison for life or life with parole. 0.64

01:10:47.000 Why? 0.64

01:10:58.000 Okay, so what he wanted to do was, you know, we want to put a 10-year moratorium on the death penalty to study why this is happening.

01:11:07.000 What the hell do you need to study?

01:11:09.000 You know why it's happening. 0.68

01:11:10.000 It's called racism.

01:11:12.000 White people have been studying black people for 400 years.

01:11:15.000 If you haven't learned anything in 400 years, you're not going to learn anything in 10 years.

01:11:19.000 I think class plays a big role in why we see the crime rates the way they are.

01:11:24.000 I think people who are in poverty Right.

01:11:27.000 you tend to see higher crime in lower income areas. It's not absolute, it's not the only reason.

01:11:30.000 Right.

01:11:31.000 But the issue with black people in prison, typically what you'll hear from the right is, 0.66

01:11:36.000 I shouldn't say the right, typically you'll hear from white identitarians, 0.97

01:11:40.000 is that they commit a disproportionate amount of crimes relative to other races.

01:11:43.000 We hear that all the time, but why?

01:11:47.000 They don't have the opportunities.

01:11:48.000 They're not being given the opportunities.

01:11:50.000 Why?

01:11:51.000 Because of racism.

01:11:52.000 That would be by class.

01:11:54.000 No, no, no.

01:11:56.000 It's by color.

01:11:58.000 It's by color.

01:11:59.000 I know.

01:11:59.000 It's both.

01:12:00.000 Well, it may be class, but as a black man, I have experienced things that you guys will never experience.

01:12:08.000 Okay?

01:12:09.000 You know, I get pulled over ten times more than you do.

01:12:12.000 Do you though?

01:12:13.000 Huh?

01:12:14.000 I do.

01:12:14.000 Do you?

01:12:15.000 Yes, I do.

01:12:16.000 How do you know how many times I've been pulled over?

01:12:17.000 I don't know.

01:12:18.000 But by looking at you, I can tell you I have.

01:12:22.000 I have.

01:12:23.000 I reject that outright.

01:12:23.000 Okay?

01:12:25.000 Well then, let's go and compare those times.

01:12:30.000 Okay, and plus I've lived longer than you have.

01:12:32.000 You have, and you were around, to be fair, considering you were around in pre-civil rights era.

01:12:39.000 I've been pulled over just for having a white woman in my car, for no other reason. 1.00

01:12:44.000 I've been pulled over and had cops plant drugs in my car.

01:12:47.000 I've been pulled over completely illegally, like for no reason at all, and then had my license suspended.

01:12:52.000 How many times?

01:12:53.000 So I've been pulled over illegally in my life probably four or five times?

01:12:59.000 That's a drop of pepper in a salt shaker.

01:13:01.000 How many times have you been pulled over?

01:13:03.000 You can't even count the number.

01:13:04.000 More than 50?

01:13:05.000 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

01:13:07.000 And still today.

01:13:08.000 You are almost twice as old as I am.

01:13:12.000 You've lived through eras of pre-civil rights and all that stuff, so I can't speak to that.

01:13:17.000 But I've been pulled over, and I'm not trying to say that I do.

01:13:23.000 What I'm trying to say is I don't respect you telling me you know outright, without actually listening to me or knowing anything about my family or my life or what we went through, that you know outright I didn't experience these things.

01:13:34.000 No, no, I didn't say you didn't experience these things.

01:13:37.000 No, I said I've been pulled over more times than you have, is what I said.

01:13:41.000 And I stand behind that.

01:13:42.000 You are older than me, though.

01:13:44.000 I mean, it does.

01:13:44.000 Doesn't matter.

01:13:45.000 I'm also a lot darker than you are.

01:13:47.000 Yeah?

01:13:48.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

01:13:49.000 Okay, and I had, okay, listen.

01:13:53.000 I lived in a place called Potomac, Maryland, which is a predominantly white area.

01:14:01.000 It's mixed now.

01:14:03.000 My family was the second black family to move into our neighborhood.

01:14:08.000 My father was a senior foreign service officer.

01:14:12.000 My father was Richard Nixon's interpreter when he was vice president of the United States when he went to Russia.

01:14:19.000 He was vice president to Dwight Eisenhower.

01:14:22.000 He went to Russia to have what was called the kitchen debate with Nikita Khrushchev, the famous kitchen debate.

01:14:27.000 My father was Nixon's interpreter.

01:14:30.000 My father was one of the first black Americans to speak Russian fluently.

01:14:34.000 My father spoke nine languages fluently.

01:14:37.000 All right?

01:14:37.000 My father was one of the first black Secret Service agents in this country.

01:14:41.000 All right?

01:14:43.000 And the Secret Service would only let him go but so high.

01:14:46.000 He did such a good job interpreting Russian for Nixon.

01:14:50.000 Nixon came back and told Eisenhower about him.

01:14:52.000 And Nixon and Eisenhower called my dad into the White House.

01:14:56.000 And Eisenhower told my dad, you have gone as far as you can go in the Secret Service.

01:15:01.000 You should take the Foreign Service exam.

01:15:03.000 You can go higher there.

01:15:05.000 So my dad took the foreign service exam and became a foreign service officer, but there was still a ceiling for black people in the foreign service.

01:15:12.000 But let me just finish, okay?

01:15:14.000 So, in Potomac, Maryland, my dad had a Mercedes.

01:15:19.000 Second black family in the area.

01:15:21.000 My dad was getting pulled over in our own neighborhood.

01:15:24.000 I was a teenager.

01:15:25.000 When was it?

01:15:27.000 We were there in 1971 through, let's see, I still own the house there, but I have another house where I live.

01:15:38.000 1971, he died in 2018.

01:15:39.000 So between that, more black people started moving in, probably in the mid to late eighties.

01:15:46.000 All right.

01:15:48.000 The cops thought my father walked into the neighborhood and drove out.

01:15:52.000 So when I turned 16, I got what all black parents give their young boys. 0.99

01:15:59.000 It's called the talk.

01:16:01.000 Have you heard of the talk?

01:16:02.000 I had the talk too.

01:16:03.000 Yeah, tell me about it.

01:16:04.000 Okay, the talk is what black parents give their young boys especially when they start driving. 0.87

01:16:12.000 You know, when you get pulled over by the police, even if the cop is wrong, do not argue with them. 0.97

01:16:18.000 Just take the ticket, sign it, we'll go to court, we'll settle it in court because you can get shot.

01:16:23.000 But see, this is the issue I have with, I think what you're saying is racist. 0.97

01:16:29.000 The idea that black people exclusively do that or it's predominant among black people

01:16:33.000 when that's actually a normal thing most people do.

01:16:35.000 No.

01:16:36.000 So, perhaps it's a class issue because all of my friends and myself had the exact same talk in the exact same way.

01:16:42.000 I was told, no matter what happens, when you're pulled over, you turn the light on, you turn the car off, keys and wallet on the dashboard, hands on the steering wheel, you roll down the window and you don't move.

01:16:51.000 You answer the officer's questions, you do not argue with him.

01:16:54.000 Do you understand?

01:16:55.000 Yes.

01:16:56.000 Say it back to me.

01:16:57.000 I'm sorry, Tim, but you are 100% wrong.

01:17:01.000 I think it's fair to say that you're older than I am.

01:17:06.000 We agree on the racism of the past, and I absolutely agree.

01:17:09.000 We can agree on the racism of the past, but we can also talk about the racism of today.

01:17:14.000 And I agree a lot on it.

01:17:16.000 What I don't agree with is that this, you know, it's strange to me to hear the idea of the talk.

01:17:23.000 Perhaps white suburban upper-class WASPs don't do that, but growing up in the South Side of Chicago, in mixed-race areas, in gang territory... I'm from Chicago, Midway. 0.88

01:17:34.000 You're from Midway?

01:17:35.000 I'm from Chicago, 500 East 33rd, right on the south side.

01:17:38.000 Right.

01:17:38.000 Yeah.

01:17:38.000 Midway.

01:17:39.000 So I'm on 47th, 49th and Laramie.

01:17:42.000 So I'm two blocks away from the LeClaire courts.

01:17:45.000 I had the talk too.

01:17:46.000 My friends all had the talk.

01:17:47.000 Everyone had the talk.

01:17:48.000 The talk existed among white kids, Polish kids, Mexican kids, Asian kids, and black kids.

01:17:52.000 I think the nuance is you have the talk for the inner city kid, what every inner city kid's going to get that talk.

01:17:57.000 But you're saying in the suburbs, black kids get the talk.

01:18:00.000 Oh, he's from the south side of Chicago, same as me.

01:18:01.000 But yeah, but I but yeah, but also here in Potomac, Maryland, lily white Potomac, Maryland.

01:18:09.000 Okay, now, I'm sure enough, when I started driving when I turned 16, I was getting pulled over in my own neighborhood, all right?

01:18:19.000 I dated a woman in Luray, Virginia.

01:18:21.000 Luray, Virginia is like, are you all familiar with Mayberry?

01:18:25.000 No.

01:18:27.000 No.

01:18:28.000 Okay.

01:18:29.000 There was a TV show called The Andy Griffith Show.

01:18:32.000 Andy Griffith, yeah.

01:18:33.000 Okay?

01:18:34.000 And Mayberry was just a little white town.

01:18:36.000 Everybody knew everybody, real small town.

01:18:38.000 No black people on the show.

01:18:40.000 And just super nice town. 0.82

01:18:44.000 That is Luray, Virginia.

01:18:46.000 You know, you hear the Luray Caverns, etc.

01:18:48.000 So I began dating a white woman down there.

01:18:51.000 And within two weeks, the Luray City Police, who did not know me from Adam, everybody knows everybody down there, went to her house and told her that I was a drug dealer.

01:19:05.000 And she said, why?

01:19:07.000 Why would you say that?

01:19:08.000 No, he's not.

01:19:09.000 Because he drives a black Lincoln Town Car with dark windows.

01:19:14.000 That was their excuse, okay?

01:19:16.000 But let me get back to my conversation with the Klan leader.

01:19:20.000 All right, so he told me I'm a criminal. 0.68

01:19:21.000 He didn't bother to look into the background as to why these black people were in prison, more so than white people. 0.99

01:19:27.000 Then he goes on to tell me that black people are inherently lazy. 0.99

01:19:33.000 We don't want to work. 0.99

01:19:34.000 We want to scam the government welfare system.

01:19:37.000 We always have our hands out for a freebie.

01:19:39.000 All right, so now I'm sitting here, I've been called a criminal.

01:19:45.000 Now I'm being told that I'm lazy. 0.99

01:19:47.000 And then he tells me, and I've heard this many times thereafter from other Klan people, that black people are born with a smaller brain than white people. 0.98

01:19:58.000 And the larger the brain, the more capacity for intelligence. 0.99

01:20:01.000 The smaller the brain, the lower the IQ. 0.71

01:20:04.000 And he says that this is evidenced by the fact that year after year after year, black high school students score lower than white high school students on the SATs. 0.95

01:20:15.000 Again, he is 100% correct. 0.92

01:20:18.000 Black kids do score a lot lower than white kids on the SATs. 0.97

01:20:23.000 Alright? 0.98

01:20:25.000 The data shows that, so it enforces what he already believes about black inferiority, so he doesn't bother to look any further. 0.85

01:20:35.000 But why is that?

01:20:37.000 Well, where do most black kids go to school in this country? 0.71

01:20:40.000 In the inner city. 0.53

01:20:42.000 Where do most white kids go to school in this country?

01:20:44.000 In the suburbs.

01:20:46.000 It is a fact.

01:20:46.000 Intercity schools are not as good as suburban schools.

01:20:50.000 There's not the opportunities, there's not the textbooks, the quality of teachers, etc.

01:20:55.000 I can guarantee you, black kids who go to school in the suburbs can score just as high if not higher than some white kids.

01:21:03.000 And white kids who go to school in the inner city can score just as low as some black kids,

01:21:08.000 if not lower than others.

01:21:09.000 It has nothing to do with the color of the student's skin or the size of his brain,

01:21:14.000 but has everything to do with the educational system in which that child is enrolled.

01:21:18.000 I would also say, I'm pretty sure the brain thing is just not true.

01:21:20.000 Of course it's not true. 0.98

01:21:21.000 Ridiculous. 0.84

01:21:22.000 But one of the things I find interesting is that the inner cities are all Democrat run 0.90

01:21:26.000 and typically have been for generations.

01:21:29.000 Chicago, for instance, I think for 80 years now or a hundred years has been run strictly by Democrats

01:21:34.000 who keep promising to solve these problems and never do.

01:21:37.000 So for me, I was just like, these people are just lying about everything.

01:21:40.000 And typically what they do just makes things worse.

01:21:42.000 And then you look at the suburbs and they have a tendency to lean Republican, or at least they were for a while, until Trump came along, to be honest.

01:21:48.000 And so I wonder why it is that the political party that keeps claiming, well, to be honest, not 100 years ago, but in the past 50 years, 60 years, this is the parties claiming to fight for the black community, but continually things just get worse.

01:22:04.000 New York's a great example.

01:22:06.000 New York is Democrat, Democrat, Democrat.

01:22:08.000 Sometimes there's a mayor who's Republican or independent, but it is overwhelmingly the biggest Democrat struggle in the country.

01:22:15.000 And it's where you see- It's also the biggest city in the country.

01:22:17.000 Big city, for sure.

01:22:18.000 But it's where you get stop and frisk.

01:22:20.000 It's where you get the complete disproportionate, cops will give a ticket to a black guy drinking a 40, but they'll not to a white person drinking wine.

01:22:28.000 I mean, these are liberal areas, not conservative.

01:22:30.000 Well, you know why there's a higher penalty for crack cocaine than regular cocaine, right?

01:22:36.000 Was it more addictive?

01:22:38.000 No. 0.98

01:22:39.000 Because more black people use crack cocaine because it's cheaper. 0.99

01:22:43.000 I wanted to ask you... More poor people use crack cocaine. 0.93

01:22:46.000 In the past 18 years, have you ever been illegally pulled over with drugs planted in your car by the police?

01:22:53.000 No.

01:22:54.000 Illegally pulled over?

01:22:55.000 Yes.

01:22:55.000 Drugs planted?

01:22:56.000 No.

01:22:56.000 Luck.

01:22:57.000 Luck was a draw.

01:22:57.000 I thought I was going to have some plan at one time.

01:22:59.000 didn't.

01:23:00.000 Luck.

01:23:01.000 Just, just, it was, I mean.

01:23:02.000 Luck.

01:23:03.000 In the past 18 years, so.

01:23:04.000 I, I thought I was going to have some plan at one time.

01:23:08.000 My band and I were coming home from a gig and we got pulled over and the cops figured,

01:23:14.000 you know, there had to be drugs in the, drugs in the van because I have dark windows, you

01:23:18.000 know, so people can't see it and see the drum sets and the amplifiers and whatever else

01:23:22.000 is in there, right?

01:23:24.000 So he starts making us pull out all the amplifiers and he's like looking in the back of the amps, looking in the drum kit, in the drum cases.

01:23:32.000 He was not satisfied that there were no drugs there.

01:23:35.000 He made us wait 30 minutes while he called the canine a patrol. 0.96

01:23:40.000 Canine had to come, and we all had to get out of the van, sit on the damn side of the road, while the dog runs through the van sniffing for drugs. 0.96

01:23:49.000 And he still didn't find any, all right? 0.97

01:23:51.000 The dog didn't find any.

01:23:52.000 And so I figured, okay, this guy's not gonna give up.

01:23:55.000 He's probably gonna plant something in there.

01:23:57.000 He didn't, fortunately.

01:23:58.000 And then he says, okay, you're free to go.

01:24:01.000 And I say, well, why did you go through all this?

01:24:04.000 And he says, oh, we're training the dog. 1.00

01:24:06.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

01:24:07.000 When I was in 2012, I was in Chicago with a group of friends, and we had been covering one of the protests there. 0.98

01:24:14.000 At the end of the night, I think we had gotten some, like, Maxwell Street, because, you know, if you're from Chicago... It's gone now.

01:24:19.000 It's gone?

01:24:20.000 Maxwell Street is gone, yes.

01:24:21.000 Oh, wow.

01:24:22.000 Well, anyway, we got surrounded by about 12 vehicles, some unmarked.

01:24:26.000 They pulled us out of the car at gunpoint and did basically what you described.

01:24:30.000 They pulled us all out.

01:24:31.000 They wrote down our credit card numbers, our IDs, our passports.

01:24:34.000 They started banging on everything, trying to pop things in the car open.

01:24:38.000 And then after about 10 minutes, another cop shows up and he points to me, and we're all in cuffs, and he makes a motion.

01:24:44.000 The guy uncuffs me and he says, oh, you, sorry, you matched the description.

01:24:48.000 No problem.

01:24:49.000 I got that all the time.

01:24:50.000 So they also had raided the apartment we were staying at, and then they also tried to get someone through what we believe was a criminal informant to plant drugs in our car, but I wouldn't let them.

01:25:01.000 They kept trying to get Adderall from the basement and bring it in the car, and I told them, if you go anywhere near that apartment, the cops went in the apartment.

01:25:07.000 This guy was like, I'm going to go inside real quick.

01:25:08.000 I said, if you go in there, we're leaving.

01:25:10.000 You're not coming with us.

01:25:11.000 And he's like, but I need a ride.

01:25:12.000 I'm like, if you go in there and you bring anything, you are not coming with us.

01:25:16.000 We found out later through a series of text messages a person that was dating one of the cops after getting criminally charged with something, surprise surprise, was telling him to put Adderall in our car.

01:25:26.000 We were then told that on the scanner they were describing our vehicle and looking for us.

01:25:30.000 In the past 18 years, I don't really drive all that much anymore.

01:25:36.000 Usually other people are driving.

01:25:37.000 I tend not to drive.

01:25:38.000 Other people drive.

01:25:40.000 So I would say from like 18 to 25 when I was mostly driving, I had been pulled over illegally maybe five times.

01:25:48.000 What I mean by illegally is I've been pulled over way more than that.

01:25:51.000 But pulled over illegally is when there's no justification for it and the cops would make something up.

01:25:56.000 That was, you were swerving.

01:25:58.000 That was when they planted drugs on me.

01:26:00.000 So the only reason I didn't go to jail when they planted drugs in my car was because first what they did was they pulled me over illegally and said, the guy says I was swerving, but then goes, oh, whoa, oh, you're smoking pot.

01:26:13.000 Which I wasn't, because I don't smoke, I don't have tattoos, and I barely drink.

01:26:17.000 I mostly don't drink.

01:26:18.000 And so, they, out of the car, I say, okay, because, you know, I had the talk, hands on the steering wheel, I get out of the car, I keep my hands up, he immediately cuffs me, calls his partner, his partner shows up, first thing he does is go to my car, and plants a nug of weed.

01:26:31.000 Takes it out within a few seconds and walks up to me holding in his hand and says, what is that?

01:26:35.000 And I said, I don't know.

01:26:36.000 And he says, it's marijuana.

01:26:38.000 And I said, is it yours?

01:26:39.000 And he says, it was in your car.

01:26:41.000 I said, no, it wasn't.

01:26:42.000 And he said, confess that this was yours and this will all go easier on you.

01:26:46.000 And I said, that's not mine.

01:26:48.000 And he said, confess that it was yours or it's going to be worse.

01:26:52.000 And I said, that's not mine.

01:26:55.000 And then he makes a look.

01:26:56.000 He walks back to my car.

01:26:57.000 The other cops start asking me a bunch of questions.

01:26:59.000 I very much am just not saying anything.

01:27:01.000 I was about 19 at the time.

01:27:02.000 The cop walks back out.

01:27:04.000 He popped open the glove box.

01:27:04.000 Surprise, surprise!

01:27:05.000 What did he find?

01:27:06.000 A firefighter emblem.

01:27:07.000 My dad was a firefighter.

01:27:08.000 He said, who's a firefighter, kid?

01:27:09.000 I said, my dad.

01:27:11.000 The cop takes the cuffs off, go home.

01:27:13.000 And they get in their car and they left.

01:27:14.000 The only reason they didn't decide to charge me with possession illegally by planting drugs in my car was because they found out that my dad was a firefighter, and there's like, oh, can't do that.

01:27:22.000 I wonder why it is I experienced that.

01:27:24.000 I wonder why it is they experienced the cops pull me over at gunpoint.

01:27:27.000 I wonder why it is that I was driving 10 miles under the limit on Lakeshore Drive in Chicago, when I was exiting at Belmont Avenue, which is a 45 mile an hour speed limit, and I get pulled over abruptly as I'm exiting.

01:27:36.000 And the cop says, you were going 20 over.

01:27:38.000 And I said, Officer, I'm exiting.

01:27:40.000 And he goes, tell it to a judge.

01:27:42.000 And they suspended my license for that.

01:27:44.000 I wonder why it is that I was driving to O'Hare Airport and I had a cop nearly rear-end me.

01:27:49.000 And so when I turned, when I put on my signal to move over the right lane, he immediately flips the lights on and said, you started speeding the moment I came up on you.

01:27:56.000 And I said, you, you, you nearly rear-ended me.

01:28:00.000 And he says, tell it to a judge.

01:28:02.000 And so I ended up losing my license for years.

01:28:04.000 Why did that happen to me?

01:28:06.000 Was it because my family was poor and we couldn't afford lawyers? 0.99

01:28:09.000 Was it because my car was a piece of crap 1989 Mazda 323 with rust all over it? 0.98

01:28:13.000 Was it because they saw me as a poor person? 0.99

01:28:15.000 Was it because they were racist and they saw me and just happened to know what my race may have been?

01:28:20.000 I honestly have no idea.

01:28:22.000 I don't know why those things happen.

01:28:23.000 I don't doubt anything that you said.

01:28:25.000 I've heard those stories before.

01:28:27.000 Some of them have happened to me.

01:28:29.000 I've not been yanked out of my car at gunpoint.

01:28:31.000 I've seen guns before, okay, pointed at me, but not like that.

01:28:34.000 Okay, I've not had anything planted in my car, but I've seen all those things happen, and I still, to this day, get pulled over a lot.

01:28:42.000 Look up, okay, speaking of Chicago, you probably never heard of this guy, but look him up.

01:28:47.000 John, J-O-N. 0.99

01:28:49.000 You know him?

01:28:49.000 Oh yeah.

01:28:50.000 Oh yeah, we know him.

01:28:51.000 John Birch.

01:28:51.000 I'm not saying, I'm not saying racism isn't a real thing or that racism wasn't affecting you.

01:28:55.000 I'm just saying what, what, what, you know, ignites me in this regard is when I'm told by someone that I've had it worse than you because of my race.

01:29:05.000 And it's like, it may be that you've had it worse than me, but I, I don't know.

01:29:10.000 I'm not saying those things don't happen to you.

01:29:12.000 Well, sure, but I don't know.

01:29:14.000 But listen, this country is not only racist, but it's also based on a caste system, okay? 0.97

01:29:22.000 Where lighter skinned black people get better jobs, All right. 1.00

01:29:28.000 The darker skin you are, the worse off you are. 1.00

01:29:30.000 All right. 0.98

01:29:31.000 I'm darker than you are.

01:29:33.000 That's a fact.

01:29:33.000 We can't, we can't even argue that.

01:29:35.000 Okay.

01:29:36.000 You look at, for example, you watch the soap operas from the, from the, from the eighties and seventies or nineties, whatever.

01:29:44.000 All right.

01:29:46.000 Basically, they all were white. 0.68

01:29:47.000 It was always a big deal when one of the soap opera people on General Hospital, or whatever, was going to have a date with a black girl, or some white woman was going to have a date with a black man, or whatever. 0.98

01:29:58.000 That black actor was always light-skinned. 0.59

01:30:01.000 Alright?

01:30:02.000 To this day, the only black actress who has received an Oscar for a leading role, leading role, okay, is Halle Berry.

01:30:16.000 Halle Berry is a very pretty girl.

01:30:19.000 She's a very light-skinned black woman, alright? 0.98

01:30:23.000 She is not the actress as, say, a Cicely Tyson was, or any number of other actresses, alright?

01:30:32.000 There is a caste system going on.

01:30:35.000 I agree with the caste system in a different way. 0.77

01:30:37.000 I can't speak to the skin color, like the lighter skin, like I wouldn't know.

01:30:41.000 Well, you know, I mean, even during times of slavery, it was the lighter skin blacks who got the jobs in the house. 0.98

01:30:50.000 I can say in Brazil, it's overt.

01:30:54.000 It's overt.

01:30:54.000 Yes, it is.

01:30:55.000 I've been to Brazil.

01:30:56.000 Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Recife, Bahia, and Brasilia.

01:31:01.000 They straight up tell you that's how it works.

01:31:03.000 Absolutely.

01:31:04.000 And India too.

01:31:05.000 There was a story, a friend of mine who is a, he's like half native, half European descendant Portuguese.

01:31:13.000 And he was saying that he once saw two black men fighting each other over who was blacker.

01:31:18.000 As like an insult to each other because that's the culture they have.

01:31:22.000 What I will say about the caste system, you know, for me, I think a lot of this has to do, I think class is the bigger issue.

01:31:28.000 Maybe it's because there's a generational divide and your experiences came from, you know, very much more racist eras.

01:31:34.000 And mine is coming from an era when a lot of these laws are being sort of being taken away and stuff or for whatever reason.

01:31:40.000 But I know people who are rich because they're rich.

01:31:44.000 I know people who sell garbage to other rich people for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

01:31:51.000 Like, a piece of jewelry sold between rich people is a net profit of 50 grand for one person.

01:31:58.000 That's tax evasion, my friend.

01:32:00.000 Well, it's something, and I wonder why it is.

01:32:02.000 I'm like, how do I know people who do so little of anything?

01:32:05.000 And they party in Switzerland, and they party in the Mediterranean on these yachts and these boats, and they'll be like, well, you know, work is hard.

01:32:15.000 I sell jewelry.

01:32:16.000 I make about $500,000 a year.

01:32:17.000 And I'm like, why are there jewelers in New York making $50,000 a year?

01:32:21.000 Just by virtue of being in the higher class, they have access to people with cash, and they make bigger deals, which nets them bigger percentages.

01:32:29.000 So I certainly think there is a class system in the United States, but I think the U.S.

01:32:33.000 allows you to navigate it.

01:32:34.000 I think, like many other countries, don't.

01:32:36.000 The U.S.

01:32:37.000 affords the opportunity to figure out how to work within the system to manipulate and build your way up to get out of these situations.

01:32:44.000 Okay.

01:32:45.000 You know, back in the day, back in the day, When black people were first, you know, gonna vote and all that kind of stuff, most black people were Republicans.

01:32:56.000 Did you know that?

01:32:58.000 I mean, the first black congressman was Republican, I think, right?

01:33:02.000 You know why?

01:33:03.000 Why's that?

01:33:04.000 Why did blacks join the, well, first of all, the Dixiecrats, which became the Democrats and stuff. 0.93

01:33:09.000 Come up on the mic.

01:33:10.000 Yeah.

01:33:11.000 They, okay, the Ku Klux Klan was created by that party.

01:33:16.000 All right?

01:33:17.000 So, A, that was a racist party.

01:33:21.000 Blacks gravitated towards Republicans because Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. 0.77

01:33:27.000 And Lincoln was the party of Republicans.

01:33:31.000 So they admired Lincoln.

01:33:34.000 We went Republican.

01:33:35.000 All right?

01:33:36.000 And that stayed for a long time.

01:33:38.000 And then in the 1960s, a vehement racist named Barry Goldwater Opposed the Civil Rights Act and all this other kind of nonsense, and became pretty powerful.

01:33:52.000 And blacks left the Republican Party and went to the Democratic Party, which became more liberal and more accepting.

01:34:00.000 And more and more racists began joining the Republican Party.

01:34:04.000 This was in the 1960s.

01:34:06.000 And then it would flip back and forth from time to time.

01:34:09.000 But that's how it modulated.

01:34:12.000 When they say that the party's flipped, it's because of Goldwater?

01:34:15.000 In the 60s, yes, yeah.

01:34:17.000 I don't know if I would look at what's going on right now with Planned Parenthood and with the Democratic Party, that they flipped in any meaningful way, if they did.

01:34:26.000 I know it's argued the right says they didn't, the left says they did.

01:34:29.000 But I look at, as I mentioned, Chicago, which has been under Democrat rule, or whatever you want to call it, for nearly 100 years, I think.

01:34:36.000 I don't know what point.

01:34:37.000 So, you were making an issue about Planned Parenthood, and you were telling me about Margaret Sanger.

01:34:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:43.000 You didn't finish.

01:34:44.000 Well, so she was a eugenicist. 0.91

01:34:46.000 She believed only the good should procreate.

01:34:49.000 She had a project that was called... See, I hate how YouTube does this, but I have no choice but to call it the N-Word Project.

01:34:56.000 But it's not the SLUR, it was a SLUR. 0.99

01:34:59.000 And the goal was to disseminate birth control and contraception and...

01:35:05.000 You know, trying to convince them not to have kids for those reasons.

01:35:10.000 Now, there's a debate on the quotes from this woman because some of them are extremely egregious and then the left claims they're not real quotes, so whatever, I'll leave that out of it, I suppose.

01:35:18.000 But if the goal of Planned Parenthood started by this woman, was to prevent black people from having kids. 0.96

01:35:24.000 And to this day, you mentioned the white population is decreasing, but the black population is stagnant. 0.91

01:35:29.000 It seems like her ideas to stop black people from having babies worked. 1.00

01:35:33.000 And now you can look at 2006 data I pulled up that black women are five times more likely to have abortions than white women. 0.96

01:35:40.000 And this is preventing black families and children from growing up. 0.89

01:35:44.000 It sounds like these racists And the Planned Parenthood was overtly defended by the Democratic Party, which was the party of racists. 0.98

01:35:52.000 They are still enacting policies to hurt black people. 0.98

01:35:55.000 When it comes to these statistics, this is like black crime, black abortion, whatever. 0.99

01:36:00.000 Say that there's a five to one ratio in the past. 0.92

01:36:02.000 What is black crime? 1.00

01:36:04.000 So in the past, let's say for every one white person that committed a murder, there were five black people when they add the numbers up.

01:36:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:36:10.000 Then what they do is they project that past to the future. 0.99

01:36:13.000 They'll say, so therefore, black people are five times more likely to commit murder. 0.99

01:36:17.000 No! 0.99

01:36:18.000 Then the cops are like, I gotta look at every black guy like he's five times more likely. 1.00

01:36:21.000 And it's like we're creating a racist projection.

01:36:24.000 Yeah, just because it happened in the past doesn't mean it's gonna happen again.

01:36:27.000 I'll tell you a funny story out of New York, and then I want to go back to the point I was making, but there was a black cop who went to Central Park and started giving tickets to white couples drinking wine, and he said, public drinking is a citation in New York City.

01:36:40.000 And they got all bent out of shape and angry and started complaining, and they were like, we're having wine at our Central Park picnic, how dare you?

01:36:47.000 And he said, white cops come to the black neighborhoods and give young black men tickets for drinking 40s on their own stoops. 0.95

01:36:55.000 And you're mad at me because you were publicly drinking in a park. 0.98

01:36:59.000 And the city admonished him.

01:37:01.000 He got in trouble for it. 0.99

01:37:02.000 I'm like, that's remarkable bullshit. 0.99

01:37:04.000 Getting me swearing on the live show. 0.99

01:37:06.000 But I wanted to go back to that point.

01:37:08.000 Because I'm curious as to your reaction of what we see out of Chicago, for instance.

01:37:12.000 It's not improved.

01:37:15.000 Where I lived was 49th and Laramie.

01:37:17.000 Are you familiar with the Leclerc courts?

01:37:20.000 No.

01:37:21.000 It's fascinating and horrifying at the same time.

01:37:23.000 Are you familiar with Marquette Park?

01:37:25.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:26.000 And the history of Marquette Park?

01:37:27.000 It depends on the history, I suppose.

01:37:28.000 I don't know.

01:37:29.000 Marquette Park was originally very racist.

01:37:31.000 Nothing but neo-Nazis and KKK people lived there.

01:37:33.000 You didn't know that?

01:37:34.000 No, no, no.

01:37:35.000 The American Nazi Party was headquartered there.

01:37:37.000 Wow.

01:37:38.000 That wasn't that far away.

01:37:39.000 It wasn't that long ago, either.

01:37:41.000 Right, right, right.

01:37:42.000 I lived on 49th and Laramie.

01:37:46.000 If you walk north two blocks, you get to 47th Street, which, as soon as you crossed it, it was a hard racial segregation.

01:37:53.000 Everybody who lived north of 47th was black.

01:37:56.000 Everybody south was, for the most part, it was mostly white, like kind of redneck. 1.00

01:38:01.000 You know, we had Stickney, the suburb, and so everyone there was kind of just like low-income, you know, white people.

01:38:07.000 And then you had Mexican, and you had... Greek.

01:38:11.000 No, Polish. 1.00

01:38:12.000 Polish.

01:38:12.000 So, Mowimi Popolsku everywhere, over on Archer.

01:38:16.000 And we weren't allowed to walk north of 47th, because the police would detain us.

01:38:22.000 They would say, the only reason you're here is for drugs, get in the car, and they would take us back.

01:38:26.000 And so, it was fascinating to me that there was this kind of soft enforcement of segregation, that there was two things happening.

01:38:34.000 There was a choice.

01:38:36.000 People chose to racially segregate.

01:38:38.000 People who moved to the area wanted to live near people who looked like them.

01:38:42.000 And that's what actually started making prominent racial segregation.

01:38:47.000 And then from there, which it's actually not necessarily from that one point.

01:38:50.000 There's obviously blockbusting and redlining before that. 0.83

01:38:53.000 But then you'd end up with police profiling.

01:38:56.000 They'd see you and say, what are you doing here?

01:38:58.000 Get out.

01:38:58.000 There were a lot of stories I'd hear from white friends of mine, like young girls.

01:39:04.000 Older black men would stop them if they tried to cross 47th, and they would say, young woman, you best not come here, you need to turn around right now. 0.99

01:39:10.000 Because they would be in trouble, the black people. 1.00

01:39:12.000 Well, no, no, no, because they were worried about what would happen to the white girls for coming into the black neighborhood. 0.97

01:39:17.000 They were like, you know, the segregation here, it was violent.

01:39:22.000 You know, back in the 60s, Martin Luther King himself said Chicago was the most segregated city in this country.

01:39:29.000 I think that's still true.

01:39:31.000 So, you know what they did?

01:39:33.000 They destroyed the project housing.

01:39:35.000 They just flattened it.

01:39:36.000 To grainy green?

01:39:37.000 No, this was, uh, I don't know if this is specifically the LeClaire Courts, because the LeClaire Courts, I think, are a different, it's like, there's a bunch of project housing off of Cicero going all the way down to Central Avenue in Chicago, and I don't know if the entirety of that was called the LeClaire Courts, but there was an area of it, but they just flattened it all.

01:39:55.000 And it was crazy when I one day I decided to look at a google map of my neighborhood and I saw that all of the housing were uh like a lot of the houses are still all you know black owned black community but all of the project housing was flattened and they're empty fields with fences saying no trespassing.

01:40:10.000 The city just came in and just destroyed it and kicked everybody out.

01:40:13.000 But see you know when people look at that and they see this self-segregation And they see that it works.

01:40:19.000 They think it's the only way.

01:40:21.000 You know, there's no way people can integrate.

01:40:24.000 And this is not true.

01:40:26.000 It's because of the racism that has been perpetrated and promulgated by this country.

01:40:32.000 It works in other countries.

01:40:34.000 I saw it.

01:40:35.000 I was living 10 years ahead of my time.

01:40:37.000 When I was overseas, living in integrated communities, going to integrated schools in the 1960s, not in my country, but overseas, okay?

01:40:46.000 I was living 10 years ahead of my time because 10 years later, there was diversity in my classrooms here.

01:40:53.000 I know it can work, but when you don't travel, you're not exposed to different things, you think the world, everything around the world is the same way it is in your neighborhood, you know?

01:41:04.000 My favorite quote of all time is by Mark Twain.

01:41:08.000 It's called the Travel Quote.

01:41:10.000 And Mark Twain said, Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.

01:41:19.000 Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

01:41:28.000 It's so true, man.

01:41:28.000 I went to South America for, I was there for like five months or something, and I got a taste of what it felt like to be the other for the first time in my life.

01:41:35.000 And I don't know if it was my race or just the fact that I looked different, but I was walking, you know, people kept looking at me and watching me.

01:41:42.000 And it was like, Unsettling.

01:41:45.000 And I got it.

01:41:46.000 I was like, wow, this is like what people in the United States maybe feel like when, when they, when they feel like in the minority of the amount of people with a similar skin tone or something like, and it was just so eyeopening.

01:41:59.000 And every, I think everyone's got to know, they got to know that feeling.

01:42:02.000 I want to go to super chats.

01:42:03.000 We'll go a few minutes over, because we went a few minutes over.

01:42:06.000 It's Friday.

01:42:07.000 But I'm going to try and just find the good core questions, and I apologize if we can't get to you.

01:42:14.000 But I want to tackle some of the best questions we can.

01:42:17.000 So smash the like button if you do like the show.

01:42:19.000 I know a lot of people are reeing and arguing and yelling at basically everybody.

01:42:23.000 But if you like the show and you appreciate the conversations we have, we appreciate it.

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01:42:29.000 But I'll start with this one from Patriot.

01:42:31.000 Who said?

01:42:31.000 I'll say it again.

01:42:32.000 The state of Texas isn't who removed slave from textbooks.

01:42:36.000 It was the Board of Education dominated by leftists.

01:42:39.000 I don't think you can answer to that, this statement.

01:42:43.000 I think, but I do think it highlights one of the issues, is that if you read a cursory story, it'll say in Texas they removed this word from the books, and then someone will say that's not true, it was the other side.

01:42:53.000 You know, how do we navigate when... Okay, so I mean, I'm gonna assume that whoever said that is probably correct, okay?

01:43:00.000 I don't live in Texas.

01:43:02.000 So, but, the fact of the matter is, in the state of Texas, the word slave was removed from textbooks.

01:43:09.000 Whether the state did it, or whether the Board of Education did it, it was done in the state of Texas.

01:43:14.000 But it does matter who did it, and why they did it.

01:43:16.000 Right, right, so... No, no, I'm talking about, as far as my point goes, The state of Texas removed the word slave from textbooks in Texas public schools.

01:43:25.000 Now, who did it?

01:43:26.000 The Board of Education, the state government, whoever.

01:43:29.000 He's probably right.

01:43:30.000 Okay, maybe it was the Board of Education.

01:43:32.000 But it happened in the state of Texas.

01:43:34.000 It didn't happen in California, or Nevada, or Maryland, or New York, or wherever.

01:43:39.000 No, but I think the point is that we agree.

01:43:41.000 The issue is, when you mentioned they put back enslaved people, I think that shows... No, they replaced it with immigrant worker. 0.94

01:43:50.000 All right.

01:43:51.000 And then there was an uproar in the black community. 0.96

01:43:54.000 How dare you?

01:43:55.000 You know, water down what happened to our ancestors.

01:44:00.000 They were not immigrant workers.

01:44:03.000 They were slaves.

01:44:04.000 But is it possible that Daryl is misinterpreting the reason that it was removed and that it was actually removed by pro-critical race theory people?

01:44:17.000 That's the situation.

01:44:18.000 So I think that... Like removing master and slave from a coding library, GitHub or whatever?

01:44:24.000 They're getting rid of the word slave because it's offensive to black people and it's under the guise of progressivism and critical race theory.

01:44:30.000 They're doing it.

01:44:31.000 You know, see, you want to blame things on Democrats, on Republicans, on critical race proponents.

01:44:39.000 Listen.

01:44:40.000 At the end of the day, you've got to understand something.

01:44:43.000 This country was built on racism.

01:44:46.000 Racism still exists.

01:44:48.000 When I was in elementary school, we had slave auctions.

01:44:53.000 You would never do that today.

01:44:55.000 They do it today.

01:44:55.000 Progressive teachers, a progressive teacher just got fired for a white progressive teacher held a slave auction amongst his students.

01:45:03.000 You meant like mock in schools, right?

01:45:05.000 Yeah.

01:45:06.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:45:09.000 Not mocking, okay?

01:45:10.000 Yeah, I think I read about that.

01:45:12.000 I didn't read all into it, but yeah.

01:45:13.000 Not mocking it, a mock as in they practiced it.

01:45:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:45:16.000 And they jackaled the black kids. 0.99

01:45:17.000 In seventh grade in Ohio. 0.99

01:45:18.000 Right, exactly.

01:45:19.000 They were demonstrating something, okay?

01:45:21.000 But I'm talking about they did it in my school.

01:45:24.000 I participated in it, okay?

01:45:26.000 As a kid, it was a regular thing to raise money You know, for whatever reason, you know, school trip or whatever, we would have slave auctions where kids would bid on other kids.

01:45:38.000 You know, it wasn't like white kids bidding on black kids.

01:45:40.000 You know, I could bid on some white kid or whatever, all right? 0.63

01:45:43.000 And you paid 50 cents or whatever and you bought that person and that person had to carry your books around all day.

01:45:51.000 Yes it is.

01:45:52.000 It was called a slave auction. 0.92

01:45:54.000 I know what you're referring to.

01:45:56.000 You're referring to a reenactment of a slave auction.

01:45:59.000 Right.

01:46:00.000 It was a practitioner of critical race praxis who segregated the kids by race and then made the black kids wear shackles. 0.69

01:46:06.000 When I was in seventh grade in 1992, seventh grade, Ohio, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, we did this exercise in like social studies class where we were all plantation owners, they were called.

01:46:16.000 And we had to either get slaves or indentured servants.

01:46:19.000 And then there was a third type of worker that you would get.

01:46:21.000 And you put these little stickers on your board and everyone had their stickers and you go around, you trade stickers with other people.

01:46:26.000 So I just did the math, and I was like, well, this is cheaper than that, so I got all the right stickers and then won the game, but it was just like indoctrination.

01:46:33.000 Okay.

01:46:34.000 And we weren't slave owners, we were called plantation owners.

01:46:37.000 Right.

01:46:37.000 Now, do you remember a lady named Jane Elliot?

01:46:42.000 No.

01:46:43.000 Okay, you all need to look up Jane Elliot.

01:46:45.000 Brown eye, blue eye.

01:46:47.000 You all never heard of that experiment?

01:46:49.000 Mm-mm.

01:46:50.000 I think I may have heard of this, actually.

01:46:51.000 Okay, Jane Elliot, she's a friend of mine, and she's still living.

01:46:55.000 She's a lot older now.

01:46:57.000 Back in the 1960s, she was a white lady. 1.00

01:47:01.000 She took her class of white kids, and she separated all the brown eyes from all the blue eyes. 0.99

01:47:11.000 And she told them that the brown-eyed people were superior, and blue-eyed people were inferior. 0.84

01:47:19.000 And guess what?

01:47:21.000 The brown-eyed people started acting superior. 1.00

01:47:23.000 These little kids started acting superior.

01:47:27.000 And you would see this change.

01:47:30.000 And the blue-eyed people were feeling inferior and being oppressed.

01:47:37.000 The next day she flipped it around.

01:47:39.000 Oh, it's the blue-eyed people who are supposed to be superior and the brown eyes who are inferior. 0.81

01:47:45.000 And they learn more about racism from that.

01:47:48.000 And if you watch interviews with those kids today as adults, They say, I wish my kids could experience that in school.

01:47:57.000 Jane Elliott.

01:47:58.000 Sure, invite me, I'll be happy to come back.

01:47:59.000 I loved it.

01:47:59.000 mention is Trox says where's James Lindsay actually if you'd be interested

01:48:04.000 I'd love to have a James Lindsay knows more about this stuff than certainly I

01:48:07.000 do I think it'd be fascinating conversation if you were interested sure

01:48:10.000 invite me I'll be happy to come back that'd be great we should absolutely I

01:48:13.000 think James is probably I'm always ready to learn James is gonna be listening to

01:48:18.000 this going Tim no what you're wrong Ah, you've missed this point and this quote and this quote.

01:48:22.000 And he's going to be saying things like that.

01:48:23.000 All right.

01:48:23.000 So, uh, Dragon Stallion says, is that what it says?

01:48:27.000 Dragon's Talon.

01:48:28.000 Oh.

01:48:29.000 Does your guest feel like black families who own slaves also need to pay reparations?

01:48:34.000 John Kasser was the first lifelong slave in the U.S.

01:48:37.000 owned by a black plantation owner, Anthony Johnson.

01:48:42.000 Do black families need to pay reparations? 1.00

01:48:44.000 Those who own slaves. 0.99

01:48:45.000 I didn't say any families need to pay reparations.

01:48:48.000 I say the government needs to make those reparations.

01:48:52.000 The people who own slaves are no longer here.

01:48:55.000 I cannot fault you or you for what your great-great-grandparents did.

01:49:00.000 You need to know about it.

01:49:01.000 You need to know it was wrong.

01:49:02.000 But I'm not going to hold you accountable.

01:49:05.000 All right?

01:49:05.000 You're not around.

01:49:06.000 You were not around then, all right?

01:49:08.000 But the government needs to make those reparations.

01:49:10.000 And also, it's possible that their parents aren't even from the United States.

01:49:13.000 Well, I mean, whatever.

01:49:14.000 I mean, I know parents who are from the United States who did have slaves.

01:49:19.000 Not parents, but their ancestors, okay?

01:49:21.000 No, I'm not going to hold their descendants responsible for sins of the father, or whatever you want to call it.

01:49:26.000 No.

01:49:27.000 But the government needs to make good on it, and they never have.

01:49:30.000 That was a strawman of what Daryl said about reparations.

01:49:34.000 It's possible to have a nuanced view about reparations that doesn't involve throwing money around, but does involve something like a major education overhaul.

01:49:44.000 Absolutely.

01:49:44.000 Right, right.

01:49:45.000 But hold on.

01:49:47.000 I mean, 898,000 people gave their lives in this country to end slavery.

01:49:51.000 And what's your point?

01:49:52.000 I mean, you mentioned the Japanese.

01:49:55.000 The reason they get paid is because nobody gave their lives to stop that.

01:49:58.000 It was wrong and they stopped it.

01:50:01.000 This country is the one, is the country that won against slavery, that sacrificed nearly a million of its children saying, we're going to crush this.

01:50:08.000 We won against slavery?

01:50:09.000 You know, let me tell you something.

01:50:11.000 Even today, when you go to schools in the North, when you study the Civil War, you are taught The Civil War was fought over slavery.

01:50:23.000 In the South?

01:50:25.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:50:25.000 It wasn't fought over slavery.

01:50:26.000 It was fought over states' rights.

01:50:29.000 Yes, it was fought over states' rights.

01:50:31.000 The states' right to own a slave.

01:50:33.000 They don't put it that way, but that's what it was.

01:50:35.000 It's the same thing.

01:50:37.000 This country is still fighting the Civil War, my friend.

01:50:39.000 I agree, completely.

01:50:40.000 Why are they still flying Confederate battle flags?

01:50:44.000 Even most young white people don't even realize.

01:50:46.000 You know they don't call it that down there.

01:50:48.000 I know.

01:50:48.000 They call it the rebel flag.

01:50:49.000 I know.

01:50:50.000 Because they rebel against wanting to give up their slaves.

01:50:53.000 The Civil War is also called the War of Northern Aggression.

01:50:56.000 Right, exactly.

01:50:56.000 I've heard that Lincoln, it really was an economic war for Lincoln, too.

01:50:59.000 He couldn't let the states take all that money away, but he said the best way to rally people is to say it's about slavery.

01:51:07.000 And then he also, deep down, wanted to end slavery.

01:51:09.000 So he kind of tweaked the message.

01:51:12.000 I've heard that.

01:51:13.000 But, you know, they're still fighting that.

01:51:15.000 Flying Confederate battle flags.

01:51:20.000 The crossbar and stars that you all call the Confederate flag is not the flag of the Confederacy.

01:51:27.000 That is the Confederate battle flag.

01:51:30.000 That is the flag that flew in the Civil War to battle to maintain slavery.

01:51:35.000 The flag of the Confederacy are the red and white stripes with the blue square with the circle of silver stars.

01:51:43.000 That is the flag of the Confederacy.

01:51:45.000 That cross bars and stars is the Confederate battle flag.

01:51:49.000 But a lot of people want to call it the Confederate flag.

01:51:51.000 That's awesome.

01:51:52.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:51:53.000 I just looked it up.

01:51:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:51:54.000 Okay, so.

01:51:58.000 We have a- Huh?

01:51:59.000 I was going to say we have a- I was going to- I didn't know if you were done with your point.

01:52:02.000 I was going to read another comment.

01:52:03.000 Okay, good.

01:52:04.000 So we have a few that are bringing up French people owned and sold slaves in Haiti.

01:52:09.000 And Mark says, this man has never heard of French colonies or French Africa.

01:52:13.000 Ask what happened when French African soldiers were brought to Europe in World War I. The accusations made towards them.

01:52:18.000 Racism is the unknown.

01:52:20.000 Okay, let me correct that man right there and I hope you're listening.

01:52:23.000 Listen son, I lived in French West Africa for six years.

01:52:29.000 I lived in Guinea.

01:52:31.000 I lived in Senegal, both which were colonized by the French.

01:52:34.000 So yes, I do know about French colonies.

01:52:39.000 Shout out to French Indochina Burma. 0.90

01:52:41.000 I'll try to find another one.

01:52:42.000 I was just looking at how the Europeans split up Africa, man.

01:52:44.000 They, in the late 1800s, early 1900s, and before that too, it was just all, it was just a race to colonize and enslave the entire continent. 0.96

01:52:52.000 So Colin Burke says, one of the bigger problems with reparations, that more than 80% of even white people moved to the U.S.

01:52:59.000 much later, after slavery, and half near the end of Jim Crow.

01:53:03.000 So do you calm ancestors or Listen, like I said, I'll go back to my point.

01:53:12.000 Whether you moved here yesterday or whether you moved here 500 years ago, nobody is still living today who owned any slaves.

01:53:22.000 Alright?

01:53:23.000 So I'm not faulting the descendants of slave owners.

01:53:28.000 I am not faulting people who came here yesterday.

01:53:30.000 I am faulting the U.S.

01:53:32.000 government for not doing what they were supposed to do.

01:53:36.000 They gave Japanese Americans reparations.

01:53:38.000 They gave Native Americans reparations.

01:53:41.000 They promised black people 40 acres and a mule and have done nothing. 0.99

01:53:46.000 They haven't even apologized. 0.98

01:53:50.000 That's what I'm holding accountable.

01:53:53.000 The majority, do you know what the, without looking it up, do you know who makes up the majority of white Americans in this country?

01:54:02.000 Of what descent?

01:54:03.000 Irish.

01:54:04.000 No.

01:54:04.000 That was my guess.

01:54:05.000 No.

01:54:06.000 German.

01:54:07.000 German Americans are the largest white majority, followed by British Americans.

01:54:12.000 Oh yeah.

01:54:13.000 I'm German.

01:54:14.000 Well, I'm American.

01:54:15.000 But some drunk boxer was German in my history or something.

01:54:19.000 I think Daryl's envisioning of reparations is actually much more moderate than people might think, in terms of pure acknowledgement.

01:54:31.000 It seems like that's what you're you're getting at there like you're not necessarily like people People like to have different definitions of what reparations are and you're more so saying you just want clear Acknowledgement, which you think I want I want an apology And I think people who have been disenfranchised, held back, and things like that should get something.

01:54:55.000 I'm not saying throw money to them.

01:54:57.000 I'm saying there should be government vouchers for education, for college tuitions, things like that, that we were denied in the past.

01:55:09.000 Even after slavery, we couldn't go to Princeton.

01:55:13.000 Based on race.

01:55:13.000 So you're saying based on race?

01:55:16.000 Based on race.

01:55:17.000 So what happens in, say, the mixed race areas of South Side of Chicago when all of a sudden,

01:55:22.000 half the people get vouchers and the other half don't?

01:55:25.000 They're all in the same neighborhood, same economic status?

01:55:27.000 If you are the descendants of slaves, You should be entitled to that, okay? 1.00

01:55:34.000 Like, if you are the descendants of Native Americans, you got 1 8th or 1 16th Native American blood in you, you can get something.

01:55:42.000 If you are a survivor of the internment camps, or your descendants are of the Japanese internment camps, You can get something, okay? 0.98

01:55:50.000 Descendants of slaves should be entitled to what they were promised and they never received, just like the courts awarded the survivors of the Tulsa race massacre and their descendants something, and to this day they haven't got it.

01:56:06.000 So my question was, what do you think would happen to the mixed-race neighborhoods when only half the people get vouchers, get some kind of benefit or resource?

01:56:14.000 Nothing would happen.

01:56:15.000 Why would anything happen?

01:56:17.000 If they're not entitled to it, they're not entitled to it.

01:56:21.000 Wait a minute.

01:56:22.000 I mean, listen.

01:56:23.000 If somebody came over here yesterday from Nigeria, okay, yeah, he looks the same as I do, but he's not entitled to what I should get. 1.00

01:56:31.000 He didn't go through that.

01:56:32.000 His ancestors didn't go through that.

01:56:34.000 Okay, so it's just like, you know, somebody comes over from Japan tomorrow.

01:56:39.000 Do they get something that's owed to the survivors and descendants of the people from the Japanese internment camps?

01:56:45.000 No.

01:56:45.000 Let's say somebody is the descendant of... a man and woman come from Afghanistan with a child after their country was completely just destroyed.

01:56:55.000 And that kid is living in poverty in a neighborhood, and then all of a sudden the government comes in and hands out checks based on race that they're not entitled to, and they say, well, your oppression doesn't count because we're only talking about other oppression.

01:57:05.000 The issue I have with race-based distribution of resources, one, the resource has to be paid for by somebody.

01:57:11.000 The government doesn't have money, the government taxes the people, and then it uses the people's resources to distribute where it wants to.

01:57:18.000 I think the problem is, if we use race-based programs to give people money, it's just still racial segregation.

01:57:25.000 Why is it, Tim, that, you know, you haven't said anything about that as far as Japanese people go, okay?

01:57:30.000 They're still getting, they're still entitled to money.

01:57:34.000 But I did.

01:57:35.000 Yeah, but hold on.

01:57:36.000 They can still get money.

01:57:38.000 Native Americans to this day can still get money, okay? 1.00

01:57:41.000 How come I can't get money, okay?

01:57:44.000 Not that I'm going to go look for it or whatever, okay?

01:57:47.000 We have been denied it.

01:57:49.000 So, you're okay with this group getting it, you're okay with that group getting it, but now when it comes to black people, now you come up with all these excuses about so-and-so died in the war, you know, isn't that enough?

01:57:59.000 Or no, they should not get money because this person isn't getting money.

01:58:02.000 No, I didn't say it was okay that we're giving people money based on race.

01:58:06.000 I think it's wrong to get... I literally said it was wrong to discredit resources based on race.

01:58:09.000 No, no, no, listen.

01:58:10.000 I'm not saying give people money based on race.

01:58:13.000 I'm saying give money people based on the crime you committed against them.

01:58:19.000 So if they have one ancestor who was enslaved?

01:58:23.000 If they had one ancestor who was enslaved?

01:58:24.000 Are they entitled to it?

01:58:26.000 I would say so, yeah.

01:58:27.000 You'll end up seeing a lot of white people get those vouchers.

01:58:30.000 Huh?

01:58:30.000 You'll end up with a lot of white people getting those vouchers.

01:58:33.000 There weren't that many white people who were enslaved.

01:58:34.000 No, but there are white people who are the descendants of slaves.

01:58:37.000 Like, if there was a black slave who found themselves in an interracial relationship And now this person is one-sixty-fourth black, or one-eighth, or one... I mean, there are people who, uh, a famous actor, I'm not gonna use their name, who is, you know, I think one-eighth black, and no one realizes it, because he just looks like a white guy! 0.73

01:58:55.000 But he'd get one of these checks, and he's a rich white dude.

01:58:59.000 That makes sense.

01:59:00.000 In order to be consistent, it would have to be like that.

01:59:02.000 Yeah, the rich white guy gets his check, too.

01:59:03.000 To truly repair the system, if the idea is reparation, which means to repair, then I don't think haphazardly handing money at people.

01:59:12.000 We need to build holistic systems that lift everyone up together, like decentralized technology.

01:59:17.000 And I'm not going to derail, guys.

01:59:18.000 Don't worry about it.

01:59:19.000 But I feel like when you can do things that everyone benefits from, clean water supplies and free internet access with satellites and stuff like that, Then everyone has an opportunity to be better themselves.

01:59:29.000 You can't throw $80,000 in someone's face and expect them to be better.

01:59:32.000 I don't think Will Smith's family should get free money.

01:59:35.000 Should get money from the government.

01:59:37.000 I just don't understand it.

01:59:38.000 If he if if Will Smith's family were descendants of slaves?

01:59:42.000 Yeah.

01:59:43.000 I do.

01:59:44.000 And I think I think so should my family.

01:59:46.000 We should we should we should receive something for for the crime that was perpetrated upon us.

01:59:51.000 That split my family apart.

01:59:53.000 My ancestors were, you know, we don't have nuclear families.

01:59:57.000 Okay.

01:59:58.000 Well, your name is Tim Poole.

01:59:59.000 Where does that name come from?

02:00:01.000 Uh, it's fake.

02:00:02.000 Okay, well then I won't ask you what your real name is.

02:00:05.000 The lore of my family is that they were bandits who created a fake name after getting into a train robbery that murdered somebody.

02:00:16.000 Okay, so that's awesome.

02:00:18.000 Alright, so we won't go there.

02:00:20.000 Alright, so Mr. Ottman here, okay?

02:00:22.000 Riverman.

02:00:23.000 Riverman, okay.

02:00:23.000 Riverman Ottman.

02:00:25.000 Where does the name Ottman come from?

02:00:27.000 I actually, well, I can tell you one interesting lineage fact.

02:00:31.000 I'm actually, so my mother's name is Ball, middle name, maiden name, Ball.

02:00:38.000 George Washington's mother, Mary Ball.

02:00:40.000 So I'm actually, George Washington is my direct cousin, seven generations removed.

02:00:47.000 So that is what it is.

02:00:49.000 It's a British, Ball is a British name.

02:00:51.000 Yeah, but I'm a mutt.

02:00:53.000 I'm a mutt.

02:00:53.000 Huh?

02:00:54.000 I'm a mutt of all of you.

02:00:55.000 Well, whatever.

02:00:56.000 Okay, so this man right here... 0.89

02:00:59.000 can go to Britain and find some balls, and find some people, some balls who are related. 0.93

02:01:06.000 Oh, you know he will. 0.89

02:01:06.000 We're kids, we're children. 0.89

02:01:08.000 Lots of them.

02:01:10.000 There's a lot of them out there.

02:01:11.000 I'm sure there are.

02:01:13.000 I got a couple of them. 0.82

02:01:14.000 Now, he can go there and find some balls that he is distantly related to, all right? 0.52

02:01:20.000 My name is Davis. 0.58

02:01:22.000 Do you know where the name Davis comes from?

02:01:23.000 Jefferson Davis.

02:01:24.000 I have no idea.

02:01:25.000 Okay.

02:01:26.000 Davis is a Welsh name.

02:01:28.000 All right.

02:01:29.000 Do I look Welsh to you?

02:01:31.000 No.

02:01:32.000 Okay.

02:01:32.000 The name, okay, slaves took the names of their plantation owners, their owners.

02:01:38.000 Okay.

02:01:39.000 If they, because the plantation owners could not pronounce their real names.

02:01:44.000 Number one.

02:01:45.000 All right.

02:01:45.000 So, you know, the name Davis came from the Davis plantation in North Carolina.

02:01:49.000 All right.

02:01:50.000 Now, If they did not like their plantation owner, and most of them didn't, they took names when slaves were freed, they took names of people that they did like, or people who had higher positions, like presidents.

02:02:06.000 Or freemen, right? 0.84

02:02:07.000 Yeah, freemen.

02:02:08.000 Okay, now.

02:02:10.000 Most people that you find, that you see today, who are named Jefferson, or who are named Washington, or who are named Lincoln, are mostly black people.

02:02:19.000 Yes, there are some white Jeffersons, you know, a few white people named Washington, but I'll guarantee you, nine out of ten people you meet with the last name of Washington or Jefferson, He's going to be a black person.

02:02:29.000 Okay.

02:02:29.000 And they took that name because their names were stripped from them.

02:02:33.000 All right.

02:02:34.000 Their, their, their mothers and fathers were, we didn't have nuclear families.

02:02:39.000 Okay.

02:02:39.000 I cannot, you know, I lived in West Africa.

02:02:42.000 I lived in Senegal where Goree Island is.

02:02:45.000 Goree Island was where the slaves came from.

02:02:47.000 They were locked up and chained in Glory Island, put on the boat, all right?

02:02:50.000 I've been to Glory Island.

02:02:51.000 I've seen those slave quarters, all right?

02:02:54.000 I cannot go to Senegal or West Africa and find somebody named Davis.

02:02:59.000 I can go to Wales.

02:03:00.000 I played in Wales with my band, okay?

02:03:03.000 And just for fun, I said, anybody out there named Davis?

02:03:07.000 Half the people started screaming.

02:03:08.000 The name Davis in Wales is as popular as the name Smith is over here.

02:03:13.000 So I'm like, hey cuz, how y'all doing out there?

02:03:16.000 You know, so we were stripped of our identity.

02:03:20.000 We can't get that back, but we are owed something for the crimes perpetrated upon us.

02:03:26.000 I'm going to, uh, I'm going to read some critical ones.

02:03:30.000 I think some of the others were already critical, but this one's just overtly critical.

02:03:34.000 Deliopolis says this conversation has been really effing disappointing.

02:03:37.000 Daryl's antics today have done more to radicalize me than de-radicalize me.

02:03:41.000 Well, apparently he's already radicalized.

02:03:45.000 I think that it's undeniable that this is exactly the type of conversation that needs to happen. 0.66

02:03:51.000 And the fact that, you know, Tim, you're getting, like, I saw the SPLC thing coming out, like, for them to accuse your show of not having cross-spectrum conversations is completely ridiculous.

02:04:07.000 This is that.

02:04:08.000 Well, that's why the smear was like, he gets bad super chat sometimes.

02:04:12.000 And it's just like, the Southern Poverty Law Center tried They don't like me either.

02:04:15.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 You know, did you ever see my documentary, Accidental Courtesy?

02:04:20.000 No, no.

02:04:20.000 Oh, you should check it out.

02:04:21.000 I know that there are a lot of people on the left who don't like you.

02:04:26.000 Yeah.

02:04:27.000 And I think it might be because you've actually helped to de-radicalize people.

02:04:33.000 I think these non-profits that make money off racism don't want racism to go away.

02:04:37.000 Here's what I think.

02:04:39.000 I think there's a generational difference between us.

02:04:41.000 We've talked to a couple other boomers, you know, in the past, and it seems like the way we consume, as millennials and younger, information... You should ask that guy why is he radicalized in the first place.

02:04:54.000 I'd be interested in his response. Well, it's because when you look at the older generation,

02:04:59.000 it seems like they've abandoned the millennials. That's how it feels, I think, to a lot of

02:05:02.000 millennials. We recently had a guest who said feminists are not pro-war. And it's like, 1.00

02:05:08.000 here we are as millennials online talking to millennials, and the feminist millennials are 0.95

02:05:13.000 all overtly Ukrainian flags, defending intervention, defending NATO's intervention.

02:05:18.000 And we're like, we don't want this. The boomers in their world is completely different. 0.60

02:05:24.000 All right. 0.74

02:05:25.000 Little stink bug. 0.95

02:05:26.000 Yeah, so I think for a lot of people it feels like when we hear from the older generation They're detached from the world.

02:05:31.000 We live in and they don't understand what we're experiencing.

02:05:34.000 And so It frustration.

02:05:37.000 Yeah frustration because you know you say that but I can say the same thing You know, being the older generation from you guys, you have no clue what we went through.

02:05:47.000 Yeah, I feel like what's happening is you're exposing a sort of truth, a perspective truth, and I'm reading this Galileo quote, the truth.

02:05:53.000 All truth passes through three stages.

02:05:55.000 First, it's ridiculed.

02:05:56.000 Maybe you'll see that in the Super Chats.

02:05:57.000 Second, it's violently opposed.

02:05:59.000 Usually you see that in the Super Chats.

02:06:01.000 Then it's accepted as being self-evident.

02:06:03.000 Okay, so let me tell you about Galileo.

02:06:05.000 And I'll tell you about, um, but before Galileo, his, um, his mentor, his, uh, his person that he looked up to was another astronomer who you've heard of called Copernicus.

02:06:18.000 All right.

02:06:19.000 Copernicus said that the earth revolves around the sun.

02:06:27.000 Okay.

02:06:28.000 That is a, um, a heliocentric, uh, theory.

02:06:34.000 The world said no.

02:06:37.000 Because, you know, we were egocentric.

02:06:39.000 We thought the Earth was the center of the universe and the Sun revolved around the Earth.

02:06:44.000 And they called Copernicus a heretic.

02:06:47.000 And they locked him up in prison for saying that.

02:06:50.000 Guess what?

02:06:50.000 He was right.

02:06:52.000 A hundred years later, Galileo comes along.

02:06:57.000 And he had studied Copernicus.

02:06:59.000 And Galileo came to the same conclusion.

02:07:02.000 That we are not geocentric, we are heliocentric.

02:07:06.000 Alright?

02:07:06.000 And the Earth revolves around the Sun.

02:07:10.000 Alright?

02:07:12.000 They called him a heretic.

02:07:14.000 But guess what?

02:07:14.000 Galileo was right.

02:07:18.000 Kid Funky Fry says, I think my great-great-grandpa who was blown apart to free the slaves was payment enough, especially considering I or no one in my family has ever owned slaves.

02:07:28.000 So there's a couple of questions I get out of this, this is interesting.

02:07:30.000 So, if this man is telling the truth, and his ancestor died to end slavery, and his family never owned slaves, If we do reparations, should we also create an exception that anybody who is not descendant of slave owners is exempt from the tax that would fund the reparations?

02:07:48.000 Anybody who is not a descendant of slaves would have a tax credit exemption from any taxes that would go towards reparations.

02:07:56.000 I'd have to think about that, but it doesn't matter.

02:07:59.000 I'm not saying it doesn't matter that his ancestors died fighting in the Civil War.

02:08:06.000 You go and you fight for your country, you go and you fight for your land.

02:08:10.000 Listen, an American just died the other day over in Ukraine.

02:08:14.000 That was his choice to go there and fight.

02:08:18.000 Does his family get some kind of reparations?

02:08:21.000 I don't think so.

02:08:24.000 We fought.

02:08:26.000 Against Japan. 0.63

02:08:29.000 Do these people still get reparations? 0.58

02:08:33.000 Why is it cut off when black people don't get any reparations? 0.99

02:08:40.000 Black people who are descendants of slaves. 1.00

02:08:42.000 That is the racism and I'm calling that guy who just wrote you a racist. 0.99

02:08:47.000 Why is he racist?

02:08:48.000 Because he does not see the racism that was perpetrated by his country against people like me and my ancestors.

02:08:57.000 Thank you for your great-grandfather's service for fighting in the Civil War against slavery.

02:09:04.000 But if you can't see that Black people in this country have not received the same apology for one and the same reparations for another that Japanese Americans have received and that Native Americans have received. 0.88

02:09:21.000 Something is wrong. 0.95

02:09:21.000 You're blind. 0.95

02:09:22.000 I don't think he's saying that.

02:09:23.000 I think he's just saying that For you to say that he should pay.

02:09:28.000 I didn't say he should pay.

02:09:30.000 What did I say?

02:09:30.000 I said the government should pay.

02:09:32.000 But the government takes money from him.

02:09:33.000 Listen, we all pay taxes.

02:09:36.000 Right, right, right.

02:09:37.000 So if we all pool our money together for, say, the common defense and services, and then you step up and say, I want to take from that pool because of reparations, he says, OK, well, hold on.

02:09:47.000 My family member died for you.

02:09:49.000 Is that enough? 1.00

02:09:50.000 You say, no, you're a racist.

02:09:51.000 I think that's kind of... I mean, you can't... You also... Just because you're anti-reparations does not mean that you're racist.

02:09:55.000 There are many black people who are not... He didn't say anything.

02:09:59.000 No, I'm not talking about him.

02:10:00.000 I'm just... I'm saying... For you to call him a racist when he's simply saying, don't take from me.

02:10:06.000 I'm not taking from him.

02:10:08.000 I don't think you can call someone a racist over like that.

02:10:12.000 I'm calling him a racist.

02:10:13.000 But you don't know him, Daryl.

02:10:14.000 I'm calling him a racist, and I'm standing behind what I say.

02:10:18.000 And listen, we all have to pay taxes.

02:10:20.000 When you drive down the road, you are not allowed to use the HOV lane if you don't have two people in your car, or HOV 3, three people in your car.

02:10:31.000 If you're riding by yourself, and you drive down that lane, you will get a ticket if a cop sees you.

02:10:36.000 All right, I've done that, and I've gotten a ticket, all right?

02:10:39.000 Not because I'm black, but because I was driving down the HOV lane with one person, me, in the car, all right?

02:10:44.000 Guess what?

02:10:46.000 I pay taxes, and my taxes built that road.

02:10:49.000 Okay, why can't I use that lane?

02:10:51.000 Can he get reparations for his great-great-great-grandfather dying?

02:10:55.000 Should the government pay him for the loss of his grandfather?

02:10:58.000 Right now, I'm talking about Black descendants of slaves, okay? 1.00

02:11:04.000 Now, if he wants to get reparations from the government because his great-great-grandfather died, you know, that's his fight.

02:11:11.000 Convince me, and I will stand behind him.

02:11:14.000 But do you think that if he went to the government and said, I should, and the government said yes, and they took tax money and gave it to him, tax money that you pay, would you be okay with that?

02:11:22.000 Not if I'm not getting any reparations, no.

02:11:24.000 Well then why should he, after his great grandfather died, think that he should give his tax— You're missing the point.

02:11:31.000 Because when it comes to giving black people something You all are saying, no, cut it off here. 0.78

02:11:35.000 No, no, we're not. 1.00

02:11:36.000 Bullshit! 1.00

02:11:37.000 Because you've already acknowledged Japanese Americans are getting it, Native Americans are getting it, so what is the problem? 1.00

02:11:44.000 I said it was wrong.

02:11:45.000 Well, whether you say it's wrong or not... I said racial disbursement of money is wrong. 0.99

02:11:49.000 Hold on.

02:11:49.000 Whether you say it's wrong or not, it's happening.

02:11:52.000 What are you doing to stop it?

02:11:54.000 I do a show where I say it's wrong.

02:11:56.000 That's not stopping it, is it?

02:11:58.000 I mean, I vote.

02:11:59.000 It inspires other people to vote.

02:12:00.000 It has an influential impact on people sharing ideas.

02:12:03.000 We allow people to talk to us and share ideas.

02:12:08.000 Should the people who... First of all... Should the descendants of the Tulsa race riot, the Black Wall Street descendants, should they get reparations? 0.86

02:12:19.000 From the people who committed the atrocities?

02:12:21.000 Maybe people in that... The people who committed the atrocities are dead.

02:12:24.000 So then what do you do?

02:12:26.000 Do you punish the living, the sins of the father?

02:12:29.000 See, the issue I have with this is that... Did I say punish?

02:12:32.000 What did I say?

02:12:33.000 I said specifically the sins of the father... Who is paying for it?

02:12:38.000 Who takes it?

02:12:39.000 The US government pays for it, whether it comes out of your taxes or whether it comes out of their Fort Knox or wherever it comes from.

02:12:45.000 The US government pays for it.

02:12:46.000 It would be the Federal Reserve.

02:12:47.000 They'd print a bunch of money and then it would have caused inflation. 0.70

02:12:50.000 That's I think why they haven't done it.

02:12:52.000 Well, you know what?

02:12:53.000 Why didn't people think about that before when they were murdering Indians and murdering... But those things are all bad. 0.96

02:13:00.000 Yeah, but the point is, you keep driving home.

02:13:04.000 This is where I draw the line.

02:13:06.000 You know, what you're saying, Tim, is racist.

02:13:08.000 Whether you are or whether you're not.

02:13:10.000 It's racist. 0.99

02:13:10.000 I think you're racist. 0.99

02:13:11.000 Well, that's fine. 0.92

02:13:11.000 You can do whatever you want to think. 0.92

02:13:12.000 I don't care.

02:13:13.000 My point is, When it comes to uplifting black people, the line is drawn. 0.99

02:13:20.000 Nobody said that.

02:13:21.000 Did I say anybody said it?

02:13:23.000 You said we all did.

02:13:24.000 Several times.

02:13:24.000 I said what you're saying is wrong.

02:13:27.000 I said when it comes to uplifting black people, the line is drawn. 1.00

02:13:31.000 When it comes to uplifting this person, that person, that person, it's already been done.

02:13:35.000 I wasn't alive.

02:13:36.000 It's being done.

02:13:37.000 It doesn't matter whether you were alive or not.

02:13:37.000 I wasn't alive.

02:13:39.000 It happened.

02:13:39.000 So I wasn't alive when they interned Japanese people.

02:13:42.000 My family actually suffered because I come from an Asian background and they were spit on and treated horribly.

02:13:48.000 No doubt.

02:13:49.000 And the only thing I can say is that I was born into a world with problems and we advocate for solving those problems.

02:13:56.000 But I don't think that racial policies solve those problems.

02:13:59.000 I think that's what we're fighting against.

02:14:00.000 We're fighting against the government creating racial segregation because we want people

02:14:05.000 to come together and live together and work together.

02:14:07.000 And so what we end up seeing is people- So how do people come together when this person has $10 and

02:14:14.000 that one only has 50 cents?

02:14:15.000 This is why I said I think it's a problem that they disperse money based on race.

02:14:21.000 I wasn't alive when they started- I didn't say disperse money based on race.

02:14:24.000 I said disperse money based upon those people who've suffered from crime due to racism. 0.81

02:14:30.000 Okay, but that means white people, a lot of white people- A lot of white people committed those crimes. 0.95

02:14:35.000 No, they'll get the money. 0.93

02:14:37.000 A lot of white people who are overtly white with blonde hair and blue eyes still have slave ancestors. 0.63

02:14:42.000 I'm not saying millions.

02:14:43.000 Then fine.

02:14:44.000 I just don't agree with giving white people reparation. 0.82

02:14:47.000 No, you want to give people opportunity, not money.

02:14:49.000 Money could be part of it.

02:14:51.000 Did I say money?

02:14:52.000 You said it doesn't have to be money.

02:14:54.000 Resources.

02:14:55.000 The idea that we're going to try and like You're going to see some, you know, rich white family who's like, you know, actually one of our ancestors was a slave.

02:15:04.000 We're 164th and that person was a part of our family.

02:15:07.000 And then all of a sudden this WASPy family is like getting a voucher for college. 1.00

02:15:10.000 Yeah, that's what I want to avoid.

02:15:11.000 I think that the only way we can do it is uplift everyone together.

02:15:13.000 I think if you can create software or some sort of technology that allows people with or without money to create a business, to start their own entrepreneurial ship and get subscriptions from people, then you're uplifting everyone.

02:15:23.000 Cause a lot of times it's the poor that are suffering right now.

02:15:26.000 If someone's like you said, you wouldn't take money if there was a system like this where they're handing out checks.

02:15:30.000 Or you just said earlier you wouldn't.

02:15:31.000 I don't know.

02:15:32.000 Right.

02:15:32.000 Because you don't need it.

02:15:33.000 But these people that need it, they need opportunity.

02:15:35.000 Well, what about tax credits?

02:15:38.000 What about like a tax break or something like that?

02:15:40.000 There are many different things that can be given.

02:15:46.000 In lieu of money.

02:15:48.000 Maybe a task credit.

02:15:49.000 Maybe a tuition.

02:15:50.000 You know, I'd have to think that through.

02:15:51.000 Or have other people who have more intelligence than I do think it through.

02:15:54.000 All right?

02:15:55.000 But something needs to be done.

02:15:57.000 And nothing has been done for the descendants of slaves.

02:16:01.000 That is my point.

02:16:02.000 Okay?

02:16:03.000 Something has been done for the descendants of Native Americans. 1.00

02:16:06.000 Something has been done for the descendants of Japanese Americans. 1.00

02:16:09.000 But when it comes To people who look like me, the line is drawn.

02:16:13.000 We have never even received an apology for slavery. 0.99

02:16:17.000 Telling me slavery is wrong, well shit, so what? 0.99

02:16:20.000 Okay, yeah, it's wrong. 0.99

02:16:22.000 But telling me we're sorry it happened is a whole different thing.

02:16:25.000 Is affirmative action something to assist in this way?

02:16:30.000 It's overtly race-based?

02:16:32.000 Affirmative action Has many different definitions just like critical race theory.

02:16:37.000 I don't, like I said before, with affirmative action, I do not believe in lowering the bar of standards.

02:16:43.000 I believe in keeping the bar up and people aspire to hit that bar, not lower the bar so people can reach it.

02:16:50.000 Keep it up.

02:16:51.000 I believe in affirmative education, where everybody has the opportunity to better themselves and go out and get better jobs, okay?

02:17:00.000 As you mentioned, give people opportunities.

02:17:03.000 They don't have the opportunities if they're not educated.

02:17:07.000 And even those people who are educated, like myself, okay, I still experience discrimination when it comes to jobs.

02:17:15.000 Yeah, people need to learn how to run their own business as a young kid, regardless of where they go to school or their age or any of that stuff.

02:17:20.000 People need to learn that stuff.

02:17:22.000 You know, when I think about apologizing for slavery, I have a hard time doing it for real because it's horrible.

02:17:27.000 Like, to enslave humans is horrific.

02:17:28.000 The Uyghurs in China, it's horrific that this computer was made by slaves in part. 1.00

02:17:32.000 But like, if it hadn't happened the way it happened, we wouldn't be here.

02:17:36.000 And that, I like that we're here.

02:17:38.000 So, I wouldn't change it.

02:17:40.000 I mean, maybe if I could go back and say, no, It wasn't a slavery.

02:17:45.000 Maybe it would have been conquered by, you know, the Mexicans or the Portuguese or like, who knows where we'd be. 0.99

02:17:50.000 So it's, that's why I have a hard time just outright giving like a genuine, like, I'm sorry it happened because it, it didn't happen to you.

02:17:57.000 Um, so I want to apologize to, if I saw somebody, I don't know, man.

02:18:01.000 Let me, let me give you an example of something.

02:18:04.000 Okay.

02:18:05.000 True story.

02:18:07.000 I was giving a lecture at Michigan State University some years ago in Lansing, Michigan.

02:18:15.000 And this white girl, you know, we're talking about apologies and stuff. 0.72

02:18:20.000 And she says, you know, why should we apologize?

02:18:23.000 Now, she was not a racist, okay?

02:18:26.000 What she was saying was racist, but she was not a racist.

02:18:29.000 I could see that.

02:18:30.000 She's like, why should we apologize?

02:18:32.000 I mean, I wasn't around when slavery was happening.

02:18:35.000 Nobody in my family owned slaves.

02:18:37.000 Why should I apologize for what my great-great-great ancestors did?

02:18:41.000 You know, I wasn't responsible for that.

02:18:44.000 And I said, the apology is symbolic.

02:18:48.000 Nobody is around, alright?

02:18:50.000 It's like, you know, you give medals posthumously.

02:18:52.000 It's symbolic, alright?

02:18:54.000 People cannot move forward until they have received an apology for wrongdoing to them.

02:19:01.000 And I said to her, I said, listen, it was in November when I was lecturing out there, I said, OK, let's say I'm a student here at Michigan State, and I live in the dorm, and I live on the East Coast.

02:19:17.000 You live here in Michigan, and you and I are friends, and you say to me, hey, are you going home for Thanksgiving?

02:19:23.000 And I say, no, I can't afford to go home for Thanksgiving.

02:19:26.000 I'm going to save my money and go home for Christmas vacation.

02:19:30.000 Okay, and then you tell me, well, you know, my grandparents told me, you know, if I wanted to, I could ask some of my students who weren't going home, if they want to come over for Thanksgiving dinner, you know, would you like to come?

02:19:41.000 And I said, sure.

02:19:42.000 Okay, so now I'm invited to her grandparents for Thanksgiving.

02:19:45.000 So she comes by my dormitory, picks me up, takes me over to her grandparents' house, along with some other students.

02:19:52.000 Let's say her grandfather didn't realize that she was going to bring a black student home. 0.81

02:19:57.000 This guy's a little older.

02:19:58.000 He makes some racist remarks or whatever that offends me.

02:20:03.000 I said to her, I said, what are you going to say to me on the way back to the dorm?

02:20:08.000 And she said, I'm going to say, I'm sorry about what my grandfather said.

02:20:12.000 I said, but you know what?

02:20:13.000 You didn't make that remark.

02:20:14.000 Your grandfather did.

02:20:16.000 You are apologizing for your ancestor.

02:20:18.000 I said, I can't change how your grandfather feels, okay?

02:20:23.000 But I appreciate the fact that you acknowledge that it's wrong and you say you're sorry for it.

02:20:28.000 But a real apology would be to confront the grandfather as it happens and be like, dude, we're in the 21st century, grow up, look at the eyeballs.

02:20:36.000 I want to read some more superchats.

02:20:37.000 So there's a bunch that are saying very similar things, so I'm not going to read.

02:20:42.000 I'm just going to give the general ideas.

02:20:44.000 There's two interesting ideas.

02:20:47.000 Many people have said that they think you're a racist.

02:20:50.000 Fine.

02:20:51.000 And a couple right here.

02:20:53.000 We have one from Kyle.

02:20:54.000 We have one from Kevin D.

02:20:56.000 Uh, who both said, I'm white.

02:20:58.000 Uh, Kyle says, as a white dude, I've had the talk.

02:21:00.000 I'm pretty sure everyone has the talk.

02:21:02.000 Kevin says, I'm white, grew up in the middle-class family in a suburb in Los Angeles, and I had the talk.

02:21:07.000 And others have said that they think your view of the talk being explicitly a black thing shows that you've been radicalized.

02:21:14.000 I didn't say explicitly.

02:21:15.000 Well, you said it's something that black families do. 0.97

02:21:17.000 I said black families do it. 0.95

02:21:18.000 I didn't say explicitly. 0.92

02:21:19.000 That's your word.

02:21:20.000 Well, so the general idea that I guess people absorbed by that is that you think it's exclusive.

02:21:25.000 Listen.

02:21:28.000 I never said it was exclusive.

02:21:30.000 I didn't use the word exclusive.

02:21:31.000 I didn't use the word explicit.

02:21:32.000 I said black families give their boys, when they turn 16, something called a talk. 0.96

02:21:38.000 I said black families do that. 0.94

02:21:40.000 Did I say black families do it exclusively? 0.99

02:21:43.000 Did I say black families do it explicitly? 1.00

02:21:46.000 No, I did not. 0.94

02:21:47.000 So that guy is putting words in my mouth.

02:21:50.000 I guess the idea they're conveying is that when you say black families do it, they interpret you as saying as if it's not happening elsewhere.

02:21:57.000 Guess what?

02:21:57.000 Black families listen to James Brown.

02:21:59.000 Does that mean no white people listen to James Brown?

02:22:03.000 So do black families exclusively listen to James Brown?

02:22:06.000 So you're clarifying?

02:22:08.000 I'm clarifying his BS.

02:22:12.000 I'm calling BS on him.

02:22:14.000 Now, let me tell you about the talk.

02:22:19.000 That black kids get is the one that I described, the same one that you described about keep your hands on the wheel, don't argue, sign the ticket, we'll fight it in court. 1.00

02:22:29.000 Otherwise you could come home in a box. 0.93

02:22:33.000 Now a lot of white people get the talk, but most of the white people that get the talk, it's a different talk.

02:22:39.000 How do you know?

02:22:40.000 Because I have a lot of white friends, okay, who tell me, all right? 0.73

02:22:43.000 I have a lot of black friends who tell me something.

02:22:45.000 Well, that's fine, okay, but hold on.

02:22:47.000 That makes no sense.

02:22:47.000 You haven't even heard what I said.

02:22:48.000 You cut me off already.

02:22:49.000 You're generalizing based on race.

02:22:51.000 Huh?

02:22:51.000 You're generalizing based on race.

02:22:52.000 You just said you had a lot of black friends.

02:22:54.000 I was making a sarcastic point to counter your racist point.

02:22:56.000 You haven't even let me finish my point, okay?

02:22:59.000 Hold on, I'm gonna finish my point.

02:23:01.000 Okay, a lot of white kids get the talk, but it's not the same talk as the black kids get the talk because they don't have the same experiences. 0.99

02:23:09.000 The talk that a lot of the white kids get is when they start driving Don't get pregnant. 0.51

02:23:14.000 Don't come home pregnant. 1.00

02:23:16.000 Use condoms.

02:23:17.000 You know, I don't want to be a grandfather or grandmother before my time. 0.87

02:23:20.000 That's the talk that a lot of white kids get.

02:23:22.000 Now, I challenge you.

02:23:24.000 Hold on. 0.93

02:23:25.000 I challenge you to... You say you have a lot of black friends.

02:23:28.000 No, no, no.

02:23:30.000 Hold on.

02:23:30.000 Maybe you don't have any.

02:23:31.000 But find some, okay?

02:23:34.000 Okay.

02:23:34.000 Hold on.

02:23:35.000 I'm going to clarify that.

02:23:36.000 When you made a racist generalization, I made a sarcastic point.

02:23:40.000 What was my racist generalization?

02:23:42.000 That you have a lot of white friends, therefore you know what white people in general do.

02:23:47.000 Did I say I know what white people in general do?

02:23:49.000 Yes, you did.

02:23:50.000 I said most white kids get this talk.

02:23:53.000 No, they don't.

02:23:53.000 I didn't say all white.

02:23:54.000 Yes, they do.

02:23:55.000 You don't know that.

02:23:56.000 Yes, I do.

02:23:56.000 No, you don't.

02:23:57.000 Yes, I do.

02:23:57.000 Did you grow up in a white family in a suburb?

02:23:59.000 I grew up in white neighborhoods.

02:24:00.000 I went to white schools. 0.76

02:24:01.000 When we have people saying this to us right now, it's not their experience.

02:24:05.000 You say, well, they're racist and wrong.

02:24:07.000 I didn't say they're racist and wrong.

02:24:08.000 You called the guy racist.

02:24:09.000 You overtly said this man was racist.

02:24:11.000 I said what he said was racist.

02:24:12.000 I didn't say he was a racist.

02:24:16.000 No, Darryl, I haven't spoken in a while.

02:24:17.000 I need to say something.

02:24:18.000 Seriously, we need to stop overtly calling people racists.

02:24:23.000 I will call a person a racist if I see that they are a racist.

02:24:26.000 Well, I'm just saying at this table, I know and love you all.

02:24:30.000 And I know for a fact that nobody at this table is a racist.

02:24:33.000 A hundred percent.

02:24:35.000 Maybe certain racial comments can be made, but I know that for a hundred 0.80

02:24:40.000 percent, like a hundred percent.

02:24:42.000 So so the fact that like these names are getting thrown around, I just I don't

02:24:45.000 think it's really productive.

02:24:47.000 I'm not saying you can't call someone racist.

02:24:48.000 I'm not saying racists don't exist.

02:24:50.000 But I think we need to be very careful.

02:24:52.000 All this dude said is as a white dude, I've had the talk.

02:24:54.000 I'm pretty sure everyone has the talk. 0.99

02:24:56.000 Well, see, he's pretty sure everyone has the cock talk. 0.93

02:24:59.000 So now you're going to defend him. 0.94

02:25:01.000 He's pretty sure everyone has to talk. 0.97

02:25:04.000 But yeah, you accused me of saying all white people, and now I'm a racist and I don't know shit, but he says everyone and you're not defending him. 0.97

02:25:12.000 Well, let me explain. 0.97

02:25:13.000 When he says everyone, he means you too.

02:25:16.000 Everyone has to talk?

02:25:17.000 I know a lot of people haven't had to talk.

02:25:19.000 A lot of white people haven't had to talk.

02:25:20.000 But now you're just getting semantics.

02:25:23.000 No, no, no.

02:25:24.000 I'm reacting to what he said.

02:25:25.000 You said everyone and you didn't get on him, but you got on me for saying a lot of white people.

02:25:31.000 Because I don't like the racist generalizations.

02:25:33.000 I don't like it when someone says one race does one thing.

02:25:36.000 This country is based on race. 0.94

02:25:38.000 I believe there is only one race.

02:25:40.000 It is the human race.

02:25:41.000 Okay.

02:25:42.000 One race. 0.81

02:25:42.000 You and I are the same race. 0.81

02:25:44.000 Ian and I, Bill and I are the same race.

02:25:46.000 We all are the same race.

02:25:47.000 The human race.

02:25:48.000 But this country has divided us by color.

02:25:52.000 And if you don't believe that, you need to go back and learn your history.

02:25:56.000 Which you apparently have not learned if you don't see that.

02:25:58.000 And if they don't see that, This country is predicated on race. 0.78

02:26:01.000 But we agree with you.

02:26:02.000 This country was built on white supremacy and slavery at the bottom.

02:26:06.000 So I think a lot of people, especially me, we agreed with you with like so much of the historical problems and racism and civil rights and all that stuff.

02:26:12.000 But you think it's all over.

02:26:14.000 No, I literally said that wasn't.

02:26:17.000 So what's your point?

02:26:18.000 So when you say something that is dividing people based on race and people take issue with it, you recoil, you call them racist.

02:26:27.000 Do you not see this country dividing people based on race?

02:26:30.000 You think we live in a post-racist society because we had a black president or something?

02:26:35.000 A lot of white people think that too.

02:26:37.000 I've heard white people say, racism is over, we've had Obama.

02:26:41.000 Well, Bob, we're not saying that.

02:26:43.000 I'm saying, you know, one of the things that I'll just say triggered me was this idea that there are certain things you've suffered that are either described only as a black experience or, in this instance, when people felt, when you said black families give their kids the talk, the response was them saying, I'm white and I've had the talk.

02:27:06.000 And some people saying they feel like that was you showing your radicalized to a racial as a racial component. 0.99

02:27:12.000 Well, that's pretty, that's pretty stupid. 1.00

02:27:13.000 And that's pretty racist. 1.00

02:27:15.000 So I just called somebody stupid. 1.00

02:27:16.000 I just called them racist. 1.00

02:27:17.000 So now hold on, I can speak as a black man.

02:27:21.000 So why is it when I say, um, I as a black man got the talk.

02:27:26.000 I am racializing something.

02:27:28.000 I am black.

02:27:28.000 That is my experience.

02:27:29.000 You then said white people do X and you're not a white person.

02:27:32.000 I didn't say white people do X. I said... You did. 0.84

02:27:34.000 I said I'm black.

02:27:36.000 And you said white people have a different talk.

02:27:38.000 They do this.

02:27:38.000 Yes, they do.

02:27:39.000 You can't speak as a white person, can you?

02:27:41.000 I can speak, I can repeat what white people have told me. 0.51

02:27:43.000 But you don't... Are you denying that white people have told me that? 0.64

02:27:46.000 Are you calling them liars?

02:27:48.000 I, that's not... No, I'm asking you that question.

02:27:51.000 That has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

02:27:52.000 No, no, answer yes or no. 0.91

02:27:53.000 Are you calling my white friends liars? 0.86

02:27:55.000 I'm calling them anecdotal. 0.95

02:27:56.000 Anecdotal.

02:27:57.000 So you're saying that they did not have the talk that I told you that they had.

02:28:01.000 No, no, no.

02:28:02.000 Anecdotal means you heard a few stories.

02:28:03.000 I know what anecdotal means.

02:28:04.000 So the issue is, if you have your stories and they have their stories, it's a moot point.

02:28:09.000 Meaning... No, it's not a moot point.

02:28:10.000 Some white people experience the talk in great degrees.

02:28:12.000 Have you experienced everything I've experienced?

02:28:14.000 No, no.

02:28:14.000 No, it's no.

02:28:15.000 What you're saying is... And vice versa!

02:28:16.000 Yeah, dude.

02:28:17.000 It's evidence.

02:28:18.000 What you're saying is evidence.

02:28:19.000 And then what these guys say is evidence.

02:28:20.000 None of it proves anything.

02:28:22.000 But we're all given our anecdotal evidence.

02:28:23.000 What do you mean it doesn't prove anything?

02:28:24.000 Well, like, our statements today, us, we, whatever you say and whatever I say, it doesn't prove it.

02:28:29.000 It's just a piece of evidence towards the postulation.

02:28:32.000 I don't understand what you mean it doesn't prove anything.

02:28:34.000 If I tell... Okay, so he tells me...

02:28:38.000 That he got pulled over at gunpoint and he got handcuffed and some guy tried to plant Adderall in his car.

02:28:46.000 I just said it's a moot point.

02:28:47.000 It didn't happen.

02:28:49.000 Oh no, well that would be evidence that there is more crime towards people like him in that area or something like that.

02:28:55.000 No, it's just that crime happens.

02:28:55.000 It wouldn't prove that it's always more crime towards people like him in that area.

02:28:59.000 It doesn't prove it, but it's evidence suggesting that it's real.

02:29:01.000 And I think you saying... Suggesting that it's real?

02:29:04.000 It is real.

02:29:04.000 He experienced it.

02:29:05.000 I don't doubt that he experienced that.

02:29:07.000 It's actually on video.

02:29:08.000 It's actually on video.

02:29:08.000 When you speak for the greater whole... Whether it's on video or not.

02:29:12.000 I believe it happened to you. 0.99

02:29:13.000 Because that crap was happening long before you were born. 0.98

02:29:16.000 So I don't need the video to know that it happened. 0.99

02:29:19.000 You know why I know it happened?

02:29:21.000 Because it happened to me.

02:29:22.000 Not at gunpoint.

02:29:23.000 Similar things. 0.99

02:29:24.000 I've been hearing about that shit long before anybody had video cameras other than TV stations. 0.99

02:29:31.000 When you say you experienced something, Like, the talk or a white person told me the talk, and then a white person, from their own personal experiences, say that this is what happens to me. 0.99

02:29:42.000 Why would they be wrong or racist?

02:29:44.000 Did I say they were wrong?

02:29:45.000 Listen, there are white people, yes, who get the talk.

02:29:47.000 Keep your hands on the wheel.

02:29:49.000 You know, don't argue with the cops, whatever.

02:29:50.000 Alright?

02:29:52.000 But there are also plenty of white kids who get to talk.

02:29:55.000 Don't come home pregnant. 1.00

02:29:56.000 Use condoms.

02:29:57.000 Alright?

02:29:58.000 We get to talk when we get stopped by the police, when we start driving.

02:30:01.000 Obey the speed limit.

02:30:03.000 Don't do anything to raise suspicion.

02:30:05.000 To cause somebody to pull you over.

02:30:07.000 Because...

02:30:08.000 Hold on, hold on.

02:30:09.000 Are you saying that doesn't happen to other people?

02:30:11.000 It has not happened with the frequency.

02:30:14.000 Like I told you earlier, hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:30:16.000 I'm telling you, the frequency, okay, which you debated with me and was the first time you called me a racist.

02:30:23.000 I told you, That I have been pulled over more times than you have.

02:30:27.000 And I have.

02:30:28.000 Whether you want to accept it or not, I have.

02:30:30.000 That's objectively true.

02:30:31.000 You're older than me, too.

02:30:32.000 It doesn't matter.

02:30:32.000 I still have.

02:30:33.000 Even if you and I were the same age.

02:30:35.000 Okay?

02:30:35.000 In the last five years?

02:30:36.000 Yes.

02:30:37.000 Yes.

02:30:38.000 Okay?

02:30:38.000 Yes.

02:30:39.000 Now, I want you to do something.

02:30:41.000 Both of you.

02:30:41.000 And you, too, if you want.

02:30:43.000 Here's an experiment.

02:30:44.000 Okay?

02:30:44.000 You said you had some black friends.

02:30:45.000 I assume you do.

02:30:47.000 You also have some white friends.

02:30:48.000 I want all of y'all, though.

02:30:50.000 Ask ten of your white friends Male friends, what is the first thing, and you people out there listening, you do the same thing. 0.70

02:31:01.000 Ask 10 of your white male friends, what is the first thing that goes through your mind when you're driving home late at night, let's say 2 o'clock in the morning, whatever, from a date or from getting off work, whatever.

02:31:13.000 And you see those lights come on in your rearview mirror, those flashing lights.

02:31:19.000 You're being pulled over.

02:31:20.000 Maybe you were speeding, maybe you weren't, maybe you crossed, swerved, whatever.

02:31:24.000 Maybe you didn't, whatever.

02:31:25.000 You're being pulled over.

02:31:26.000 What's the first thing that goes through your mind?

02:31:29.000 I will bet you 10 out of 10 or 9 out of 10 of those white males, your friends, are gonna say, I hope I don't get a ticket. 0.62

02:31:38.000 I hope I don't get points on my license.

02:31:41.000 I hope my insurance doesn't go up. 0.99

02:31:43.000 You ask the same question to 10 of your black male friends, they're not gonna say anything about the damn ticket or points on the license or insurance. 0.99

02:31:52.000 They're gonna say, I hope I don't get shot. 0.99

02:31:54.000 I hope I don't get beat up. 0.80

02:31:56.000 Because there is a more frequency of violence against black male drivers than white male drivers. 0.90

02:32:04.000 Okay? 0.64

02:32:04.000 Just like there is more of a frequency of blacks being sentenced to death and whites for the same crime get to go to prison for life or life with parole. 0.64

02:32:15.000 Okay? 0.82

02:32:15.000 That is called racism and that's why black people get that talk. 0.82

02:32:21.000 I'm not saying white people don't get the talk, But black people's lives are more in danger. 0.97

02:32:27.000 And that's why Black Lives Matter was created.

02:32:31.000 I'm not saying I'm a proponent of that movement or whatever.

02:32:35.000 I'm just telling you why it was created.

02:32:37.000 Because of the things that were happening to black people where they were not happening to white people in the same situation.

02:32:46.000 Well, Black Lives Matter was started over Trayvon Martin.

02:32:48.000 That's right.

02:32:49.000 And Zimmerman's a Hispanic guy.

02:32:53.000 Zimmerman, he is of Hispanic descent, but Zimmerman enjoyed what is called white privilege.

02:33:00.000 That's critical race theory.

02:33:01.000 That's your definition of critical race theory.

02:33:03.000 Well, Kimberly Crenshaw, I can pull it up right here for you.

02:33:06.000 Listen, that's your definition of critical race theory.

02:33:08.000 Whiteness as property, in which she described how passing led to benefits akin to owning property. 0.89

02:33:14.000 Yeah, this is Cheryl L. Harris in the Harvard Law Review, and citation for it is Crenshaw et al., 1995.

02:33:23.000 So this idea that because Zimmerman—I mean, I disagree.

02:33:29.000 I don't think he looked white.

02:33:29.000 I think he looked like a Mexican guy.

02:33:31.000 And further, the news lied about what Zimmerman did.

02:33:36.000 NBC edited his phone call to make it seem like he was racially profiling when he wasn't.

02:33:41.000 So the narrative that emerged from that was actually fabricated.

02:33:44.000 Okay, do you remember... Well, you're probably too young for that, but you know about it.

02:33:49.000 The O.J.

02:33:49.000 Simpson trial?

02:33:50.000 Yeah.

02:33:51.000 Do you remember O.J.' 's picture on the cover of Time Magazine and Newsweek?

02:33:55.000 No.

02:33:55.000 Okay, well then you guys need to research that, okay?

02:33:59.000 Time Magazine and Newsweek Magazine came out the same day.

02:34:04.000 Time Magazine intentionally darkened O.J.

02:34:08.000 Simpson's picture.

02:34:10.000 Darker than his skin tone. 1.00

02:34:11.000 Because the blacker you are, the more evil you are. 1.00

02:34:14.000 There you go! 1.00

02:34:15.000 Voila! 1.00

02:34:16.000 That is racism. 0.93

02:34:17.000 I don't give a damn what you all say. 0.64

02:34:19.000 You can call it critical race theory.

02:34:21.000 You can call it whatever the hell you want to call it.

02:34:22.000 That is racism. 0.91

02:34:24.000 That is what this country is predicated upon, to turn white people against people of darker skin. 0.74

02:34:29.000 And that's why I get pulled over more than you, and more than you, and more than your 10 white friends. 0.94

02:34:35.000 But Newsweek didn't darken his skin?

02:34:38.000 Well, I can't tell.

02:34:40.000 Listen, you know, you can argue all you want.

02:34:42.000 There's your picture right there.

02:34:44.000 One is showing a darker version of the other.

02:34:46.000 One is showing O.J.

02:34:47.000 Simpson in his real skin tone, and the other one is showing him darkened.

02:34:52.000 And Time Magazine did that intentionally.

02:34:55.000 But Newsweek didn't.

02:34:57.000 I don't know if they did or not, but look at that.

02:34:59.000 Yeah.

02:34:59.000 Okay, that's how I know OJ Simpson.

02:35:01.000 I don't know him personally. 0.99

02:35:02.000 I think the media is garbage. 1.00

02:35:03.000 Huh? 1.00

02:35:03.000 I think the media is overtly racist and trash. 1.00

02:35:05.000 I think they employ some of the most vile racists. 1.00

02:35:08.000 Oh, now, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:35:09.000 You're saying all media?

02:35:10.000 Oh, my goodness.

02:35:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:11.000 Oh, no, no, no.

02:35:12.000 It's like this Council on Foreign Relations media.

02:35:14.000 You're the media.

02:35:15.000 You're the media.

02:35:16.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:35:16.000 I'm not calling you a racist.

02:35:17.000 I don't think everybody here is racist.

02:35:19.000 No, you know, I'm just so disdainful of corporate press.

02:35:22.000 So we usually, the colloquial definition of the media... So is everybody at Time Magazine responsible for that?

02:35:28.000 Yes.

02:35:29.000 Really?

02:35:30.000 Oh, I'm not going to swear.

02:35:31.000 Even the peons?

02:35:33.000 Yes.

02:35:34.000 No, not the cheap workers.

02:35:36.000 It's some brainchild.

02:35:38.000 If you guys listen to this show, you know my position on all of this.

02:35:40.000 If you stand beneath the infrastructure, holding it up as they do things that are wrong, and you know they're doing it wrong, I will hold you responsible.

02:35:46.000 You know the Chinese have this term called bai sua, which means white liberal.

02:35:50.000 Like that's a white left, which is inherently I feel like a lot of this racism is being seeded.

02:35:56.000 I'm not saying it didn't exist, but in the early 2000s, it felt like we were coming together.

02:36:02.000 It felt like it.

02:36:02.000 I felt like it.

02:36:03.000 Did you feel like it?

02:36:04.000 I see progress all the time.

02:36:08.000 I think right now, right now, there are people who would disagree with me.

02:36:14.000 But I would say right now is one of the best times in our country.

02:36:18.000 Even though we're so divided.

02:36:19.000 Alright?

02:36:20.000 Because the wool is being pulled back.

02:36:24.000 The carpet is being pulled back and we're seeing all the dirt.

02:36:27.000 People are saying how they feel, what they're thinking, etc.

02:36:31.000 It's hard to address something when people are hiding in the closet or hiding behind a smile and a stab you in the back.

02:36:38.000 Right now, people are expressing their views.

02:36:40.000 It's very divisive, but this is the best time because now we know what people are thinking.

02:36:45.000 We know how to address them rather than be a, what do you call it?

02:36:50.000 A wolf in sheep's clothing.

02:36:51.000 Okay, YouTube literally just deleted all of the Super Chats.

02:36:54.000 Oh.

02:36:55.000 Yep.

02:36:56.000 No kidding.

02:36:56.000 The only ones that are up are the ones that are in the active chat, so I'll see what I can, um... Whoa.

02:37:01.000 How did I delete them?

02:37:02.000 No, no, YouTube just went... They were probably too racy.

02:37:05.000 Has that ever happened to you before?

02:37:06.000 No.

02:37:07.000 Wow.

02:37:07.000 Yeah.

02:37:08.000 What happened?

02:37:09.000 So, the paid comments where people were asking questions just crashed.

02:37:13.000 They're gone.

02:37:15.000 Why?

02:37:15.000 I don't know.

02:37:16.000 Oh.

02:37:16.000 I've never seen it.

02:37:17.000 I'll just say it was a browser error, I suppose, but... I'm still seeing them come in.

02:37:21.000 I can see them come in and I can see the ones that are over the chat, but I can't see any of the other ones.

02:37:26.000 And I don't know how much more time we have.

02:37:29.000 I don't have a whole lot.

02:37:30.000 I've got to go out of town tonight.

02:37:31.000 Alright, alright.

02:37:32.000 So, sorry guys, YouTube just nuked your Super Chats.

02:37:37.000 I suppose.

02:37:38.000 We'll just read a couple more.

02:37:39.000 But I think people are unhappy with your views.

02:37:45.000 Well, you know what?

02:37:46.000 People have been unhappy with my views for 400 years.

02:37:49.000 So I'll read this.

02:37:50.000 BlackRockBeacon says, Daryl is done.

02:37:52.000 He has abandoned nuance and critical thinking and has become emotionally defensive and lost empathy.

02:37:58.000 He is literally starting to rant when pressed with logical arguments.

02:38:02.000 He's entitled to his opinion and that's fine.

02:38:05.000 I think that people need to recognize that the conversation is happening, and everyone's in a different spot on it, and Daryl is extremely pro-free speech, vastly more than many people sort of in the critical race theory realm, and that I absolutely appreciate that, and a lot of people won't come on this show to talk, so that matters.

02:38:32.000 Someone just mentioned that the chat was gone too.

02:38:34.000 Oh, it's bad?

02:38:35.000 I'm watching it live right now.

02:38:36.000 Did you see the chat disappear at all?

02:38:37.000 No.

02:38:38.000 Someone said YouTube wiped the whole chat, not just Super Chats.

02:38:40.000 Okay.

02:38:42.000 Yeah, this kind of conversation is hot.

02:38:44.000 I mean, that's the reason why not everyone does it.

02:38:46.000 And this is why it's good.

02:38:47.000 Because now, people like this guy criticizing me, it's free to express his view.

02:38:52.000 I'm free to express my view.

02:38:53.000 He can think whatever he wants to think about me.

02:38:55.000 I'm fine with that.

02:38:56.000 I've been, you know, We're too young?

02:38:58.000 Well, I'm not.

02:38:58.000 the book and you know I've been called every name but my own and that's fine okay he's entitled to

02:39:04.000 his views I'm entitled to my views okay and you know like like you guys never saw those pictures

02:39:09.000 before why is that we're you know young no not because you're too young because you haven't

02:39:15.000 done the research they're there they're there well Go back and connect the dots, Tim.

02:39:21.000 You're talking from a bubble, man.

02:39:23.000 You're not talking from the path moving forward.

02:39:25.000 A generational gap.

02:39:26.000 A gap, exactly.

02:39:27.000 So we gotta bridge that gap, and that's why I'm here, to connect some dots for you as to why I've arrived at this point.

02:39:33.000 Right, right.

02:39:34.000 So I think the issue we experience is that the world and the information we consume as millennials is so vastly different from yours that we see it's literally two different universes.

02:39:45.000 But you know what?

02:39:46.000 Figuratively.

02:39:47.000 You are here... Figuratively different universes.

02:39:50.000 Whatever universe you're in is because of the universe from which it came.

02:39:55.000 But you don't look back to see where you came from.

02:39:59.000 I mean, I do.

02:39:59.000 This is a good point about censorship.

02:40:00.000 Just because I didn't know of the one story doesn't mean I don't know his.

02:40:03.000 Talking about his story, you're talking about history, his story, like, who's controlling his story?

02:40:08.000 Who's writing it?

02:40:08.000 I like your idea, Bill, about freedom of history.

02:40:10.000 I've got a Life magazine from 1944 that I picked up at an antique shop.

02:40:15.000 And I've also got one from the 1950s, and I think it's got, who's on the cover?

02:40:19.000 Is it Nixon?

02:40:19.000 Winston Churchill, yeah.

02:40:20.000 Nixon, doing a peace sign for a big crowd, and it's talking about the Civil Rights Movement.

02:40:23.000 It's fascinating to read the 1944, it was March, just before D-Day, a couple months, and the explanation for why U.S.

02:40:31.000 forces were in Britain is, like, laughable.

02:40:33.000 It's like, well, now we know!

02:40:35.000 But when you read stuff in the past, it's amazing what people thought about this stuff, how information was being withheld.

02:40:40.000 But I think what's happening is, for most of the people who watch, the bulk of our viewership, like 60-70%, are between 18 and 35.

02:40:50.000 So the news that they're reading is rapid, and they've probably heard everything you've mentioned.

02:40:57.000 No.

02:40:58.000 I doubt that.

02:41:00.000 Well, when you live in the digital world and it's... They have access to everything.

02:41:06.000 100,000 tweets every single day that you're being slammed by.

02:41:09.000 It's very different.

02:41:10.000 So I think, you know, we see it with Bill Maher.

02:41:12.000 We've seen it with our other guests who are in the boober generation, that the rate of information consumption for the older generation is substantially slower based on just the traditional information gathering practices of the previous generation relative today.

02:41:26.000 So, these younger people right now, as you're saying it, are Googling it in real time.

02:41:30.000 And they're commenting saying you're wrong about this.

02:41:32.000 And so that's one of the challenges we have, why we have to be walking on ice and making sure we're doing the best, is that the 50,000 people concurrently watching at any moment are all sending the real-time fact check because they can research exactly what we say.

02:41:46.000 So most of these people... Now, as far as them telling me that I'm wrong, I don't believe that they are Factual.

02:41:53.000 They're telling me that I'm wrong based upon their opinion and what they think about what I'm saying.

02:41:58.000 That's fair.

02:41:59.000 But, like, a good example is the Kimberlé Crenshaw thing, who explicitly wrote that race, Marxism, and all that stuff— Now, I don't have a laptop in front of me, okay?

02:42:08.000 But I can send you a link to Kimberlé Crenshaw talking about what she means by queer race theory and the same argument that you gave that she refutes.

02:42:19.000 I mean— And I will send you that link.

02:42:21.000 Like, I just read her book.

02:42:22.000 I read the introduction to her book.

02:42:25.000 If she recanted her book, I mean, that'd be fantastic.

02:42:25.000 So what?

02:42:28.000 We could talk about it.

02:42:29.000 Listen, I don't know if she recanted her book.

02:42:31.000 I know what she said on live interview, okay?

02:42:34.000 You can see her talking, okay?

02:42:36.000 People have done interviews with me.

02:42:42.000 And have gotten it wrong, okay?

02:42:45.000 For example, I won't name the school.

02:42:48.000 A very famous university hired me to come do a lecture, alright?

02:42:54.000 And this guy called me before the lecture and wanted to know if he could interview me when I came down before I gave the lecture from the student paper.

02:43:04.000 I said, but are you going to stay for the lecture?

02:43:04.000 I said, sure.

02:43:07.000 Because I want you to see the lecture as well, and then you can interview me after as well.

02:43:12.000 He said, okay.

02:43:13.000 So, he interviewed me when I came down to the university.

02:43:19.000 Good guy, good lecture, good interview.

02:43:22.000 And he stuck around, watched the lecture, asked me a few questions afterwards.

02:43:27.000 The next day, headline!

02:43:30.000 In this famous university paper, First black member of the Ku Klux Klan speaks on campus.

02:43:39.000 Now, he did not write that caption, that headline.

02:43:43.000 That was done by the editor of the paper or whatever, you know.

02:43:47.000 The campus had an uproar and they had to make them, you know, make a retraction.

02:43:51.000 There are no black members of the Klan. 0.99

02:43:52.000 If there were black members of the Klan, there wouldn't be a damn Klan. 0.99

02:43:55.000 Okay. 0.99

02:43:56.000 But you know, people get things wrong in writing.

02:43:58.000 I can show you a link of her talking.

02:44:00.000 Now, whether she wrote it in the book and then changed her mind, or whether the book got it wrong or whatever, I will send you a link to her talking, answering the exact question that you said, which is opposite of what the other guy says.

02:44:13.000 I do think I've, I watched her give a statement.

02:44:16.000 She's given several interviews.

02:44:18.000 I'm pretty sure I've seen a bunch of them.

02:44:19.000 I suppose the issue is just on what she wrote in her books versus what she says today may be different.

02:44:25.000 Listen, George Wallace.

02:44:27.000 Do you know who he is?

02:44:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:44:29.000 Okay.

02:44:29.000 And you know what he did?

02:44:31.000 School segregation and all that stuff.

02:44:32.000 Right.

02:44:32.000 Segregation today, tomorrow, and forever.

02:44:34.000 Stood in the door, wouldn't let the black kids come in. 1.00

02:44:38.000 National Guard had to come and pull him out of the door. 0.95

02:44:40.000 Okay.

02:44:41.000 He got shot.

02:44:43.000 I watched him get shot.

02:44:44.000 Wow.

02:44:44.000 I watched him get shot on live TV.

02:44:47.000 Okay?

02:44:49.000 The news was covering his speech.

02:44:53.000 He was in a town called Laurel, Maryland.

02:44:55.000 All right, over in Prince George's County.

02:44:58.000 And he was in the parking lot giving a speech.

02:45:01.000 There were some black guys in the back of the crowd and a bunch of white people up front. 0.87

02:45:06.000 And he was giving his, you know, racist speech.

02:45:08.000 And all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom!

02:45:11.000 Right on live TV.

02:45:12.000 He got shot. 0.97

02:45:13.000 Everybody turned and looked at the black people.

02:45:16.000 It was a white guy up front named Arthur Bremer who shot George Wallace, okay?

02:45:24.000 Arthur Bremer just got out of prison a couple years ago.

02:45:26.000 Anyway, he went to Hagerstown Prison.

02:45:31.000 Later, George Wallace spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair as a result of that shooting.

02:45:36.000 From the wheelchair, he said he was wrong.

02:45:40.000 He changed his racist attitude.

02:45:43.000 Now, most people don't remember that.

02:45:46.000 They remember him, segregation today, tomorrow, forever.

02:45:49.000 You know, they remember the negative stuff, but they don't remember that Wallace changed his tune.

02:45:55.000 So, I will just say, I...

02:46:00.000 I think it's funny.

02:46:01.000 You mentioned everyone looked at the black people, but it was a white guy.

02:46:03.000 You know why, don't you? 0.89

02:46:06.000 They assumed the people who were mad at them were probably black. 0.96

02:46:08.000 Exactly.

02:46:09.000 But the funny thing is, today, when it comes to issues of critical race theory, it is white people who are advocating this mostly.

02:46:17.000 And that may be the fact that white people are the majority of this country, so you'll see more white people advocating for critical race theory.

02:46:23.000 But typically, a lot of these progressive ideologies, like gender ideology or race ideology, come from white liberals.

02:46:28.000 It's also, you say, more white people advocating for critical race theory.

02:46:33.000 It's also more white people advocating to ban critical race theory.

02:46:38.000 Yeah, I think one of the issues is that people are confused and they're not arguing the same thing.

02:46:42.000 Exactly, that's my whole point.

02:46:43.000 There's so many different definitions of it.

02:46:45.000 You have yours, Crenshaw has hers, Kendi has his, what's that lady's name? 1.00

02:46:45.000 Right. 1.00

02:46:50.000 Robin somebody.

02:46:51.000 D'Angelo.

02:46:51.000 She has hers.

02:46:52.000 I think critical race praxis should be banned the same as Christian praxis should be banned. 0.77

02:46:57.000 We shouldn't be putting ideology in our curriculum, but we can teach about what the ideology is.

02:47:02.000 So the issue is, like if a Florida school said, Jesus died, and on the third day he rose again.

02:47:08.000 If a day is 24 hours, how many hours was it until Jesus rose again?

02:47:11.000 I'd be like, yo, that should not be in a math book, right?

02:47:15.000 Would you think that's appropriate for a public school math problem?

02:47:21.000 Well, you gotta understand something.

02:47:24.000 When I grew up and was going to school, first thing we did in class was stand up and pray and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

02:47:32.000 You would pray as well?

02:47:33.000 Yeah.

02:47:34.000 Yeah, we all said a prayer.

02:47:35.000 But based on today's standards in which we don't allow prayer in public schools, I mean, do you think prayer should be in public schools?

02:47:41.000 I think so.

02:47:42.000 However...

02:47:42.000 Oh, okay.

02:47:43.000 I think people, it depends upon the classroom, okay?

02:47:47.000 If there's a Muslim person in the classroom and there's a Jewish person and there's a Christian person or Hindu person, I think they each should say a prayer.

02:47:58.000 If someone is an atheist, then they can opt to leave the room or remain seated or do whatever they want to do.

02:48:05.000 They should be respected as well.

02:48:07.000 Chris H. just said, Congress officially apologized for slavery in 2008.

02:48:10.000 They didn't?

02:48:10.000 No.

02:48:13.000 You want to look it up, somebody?

02:48:14.000 Yeah, what was the statement?

02:48:15.000 Congress officially apologized for slavery in 2008.

02:48:18.000 Yeah, but were they legit?

02:48:20.000 Oh, official apology.

02:48:20.000 Let's find out first.

02:48:22.000 I think we've gone way long.

02:48:24.000 I know you've got to go, and we've got to wrap, so I'm going to read, we'll just read one more.

02:48:28.000 We'll read two more, actually.

02:48:29.000 The first one will come from Malthus.

02:48:31.000 As a black man, I disagree with quite a bit of what Daryl said, but I will forever respect this man's action, better than any Antifa thug has done.

02:48:40.000 And then there is, there's another really good one that we need to read because it's the most important one.

02:48:45.000 Oh, there we go.

02:48:45.000 Where did it go?

02:48:47.000 Andrew Lant says, Thank you, Daryl.

02:48:48.000 This has been a really good conversation that reminds me of many I have had with various black friends I've known.

02:48:54.000 I think people, I just gotta say for everybody who watches or listens to the show, we are trying to have more discussions over ideas that we disagree with.

02:49:03.000 We're trying to make more of that.

02:49:04.000 We routinely invite people on the left or progressive or whatever, they just don't want to come on the show.

02:49:11.000 Some are, and we have a few booked, and it's good to have these conversations.

02:49:16.000 Well, you know, I want to say this as well.

02:49:17.000 You know, I appreciate everybody who has put in their chat whether I agree with them or not, whether I call them a racist or not.

02:49:24.000 I appreciate their expressing their viewpoints, okay?

02:49:28.000 And I think we should have more of these discussions.

02:49:31.000 So, I hope we can do that.

02:49:33.000 Now, to your point about these people who are on the left or whatever who don't want to come, I was invited A couple years ago, this lady called me up, she's a sociologist professor, and she wanted to know would I consider coming to a dinner gathering with some people on the left and some people on the right.

02:49:59.000 And she named a few white supremacists, one being Richard Spencer.

02:50:06.000 And I said, sure.

02:50:08.000 So, you know, they didn't reveal where the dinner was to be held until the day of, because they wanted to keep it secret or whatever.

02:50:19.000 So on the day of, I got the email as to what address to come to, etc, etc, what time, and I showed up, and there were all these people over there on the right, Richard Spencer, some other neo-Nazi type people, and this, that, and the other, and we had dinner together.

02:50:35.000 No one from the left but me showed up.

02:50:38.000 That's exactly what happens.

02:50:39.000 backed out at the last minute.

02:50:39.000 I agree, man.

02:50:41.000 That's exactly what happens.

02:50:42.000 Yeah, well, you know, I'm not one of those who back out.

02:50:45.000 I will stand up to anybody and everybody.

02:50:47.000 And you're welcome to agree with me, you're welcome to disagree with me.

02:50:50.000 But let's have the conversation.

02:50:52.000 I agree, man.

02:50:53.000 You know, And I appreciate you having me on the show.

02:50:55.000 Oh, I appreciate you coming, man.

02:50:56.000 I thought this was fantastic.

02:50:58.000 We, you know, if people don't get along or if people disagree or even if they agree, I think we most, I think we agree on a lot more than we disagree.

02:51:04.000 And I think we just highlighted disagreements because we disagree.

02:51:07.000 We want to express those the most, you know, I think often the conversations we have in agreement, it's like, well, yeah, of course we agree on those things, but then let's move on to the things we don't agree on.

02:51:16.000 Let's get hot.

02:51:16.000 Exactly.

02:51:18.000 So, considering we've gone way too late tonight... Oh, I want to point out, you were right.

02:51:21.000 Congress apologizes for slavery.

02:51:22.000 There's a lot of NPR stuff from 2008.

02:51:24.000 Apparently the U.S.

02:51:25.000 House of Representatives issued an unprecedented apology to black Americans for the institution of slavery and the subsequent Jim Crow laws for years of discrimination.

02:51:34.000 Steve Cohen, Democrat from Tennessee, drafted the resolution.

02:51:37.000 Now, to be honest, my personal opinion...

02:51:40.000 Plattitudes.

02:51:41.000 A real apology is fixing the system.

02:51:44.000 But thank you for at least putting forth an official apology, Congress, at some point.

02:51:44.000 How do you do that?

02:51:49.000 Here's what we gotta do.

02:51:50.000 So everyone is actually saying, you know, who do we have to bribe to have you have a conversation with Thomas Sowell?

02:51:56.000 Which would be... Oh, that'd be amazing.

02:51:57.000 So cool.

02:51:58.000 I don't know if that's... We can try.

02:52:01.000 Of course we can.

02:52:01.000 Alright!

02:52:03.000 Thomas Sowell.

02:52:05.000 Uh, John McWhorter, a lot of other people, you know, they have their opinions.

02:52:10.000 Some I agree with, some I don't agree with.

02:52:12.000 It doesn't make them right.

02:52:13.000 It doesn't make me wrong.

02:52:14.000 It doesn't make me right and them wrong or whatever.

02:52:17.000 I think people would just love to see the intellectual clash, as it were, like the ideas presented.

02:52:24.000 Maybe we'll do that this summer.

02:52:27.000 In June.

02:52:28.000 People get a kick out of seeing black people fight each other for whatever reason. 0.98

02:52:32.000 White people get a kick out of that, okay? 0.95

02:52:34.000 I'm telling you all, get the movie, go on, it used to be on Netflix, it's not on there anymore, Amazon Prime or iTunes, okay?

02:52:44.000 It's called Accidental Courtesy.

02:52:47.000 And they followed me around the country when I was interviewing KKK and neo-Nazis, etc.

02:52:52.000 And they set me up to interview some people A faction of Black Lives Matter, and there was a major clash between me and Black Lives Matter.

02:53:04.000 It happened at our event.

02:53:06.000 Yeah, but you're gonna see this on film, and you're gonna see about eight minutes.

02:53:12.000 This went on for about an hour, and it almost erupted into violence.

02:53:15.000 Wow.

02:53:16.000 Okay?

02:53:17.000 Take a look at that.

02:53:18.000 They did not respect what I stood for, what I did, et cetera, et cetera.

02:53:22.000 Now, a year later, They reached out to me and said, you know, we've been seeing you, we've been reading some interviews, you know, we, we sort of get what you're doing, you know, you know, we want to try to work together.

02:53:31.000 You know, we don't agree with everything, but we think, you know, we can find some, you know, common ground.

02:53:36.000 So we met and we had dinner and we started working together.

02:53:39.000 And then one of them fell off the wagon and reverted back to himself and, you know, in the film, but you will, you will see, uh, you know, in, in the whole movie, the whole movie, uh, Everybody talks about that particular scene.

02:53:56.000 Because for whatever reason... Now, you're gonna call me a racist again, and that's fine if you want to call me that.

02:54:02.000 A lot of white people try to put black people in one box.

02:54:07.000 We are not monolithic.

02:54:09.000 We are as individual as white people, okay?

02:54:14.000 Just like, you know, people say, well, you know, your black leaders, you know, should do this and do that.

02:54:18.000 Who are my black leaders?

02:54:20.000 You know?

02:54:22.000 Is it Sharpton?

02:54:23.000 Is it Jesse Jackson?

02:54:24.000 Is it Obama?

02:54:25.000 Is it Thomas Sowell?

02:54:26.000 Is it John McWhorter?

02:54:27.000 I mean, who are my black leaders?

02:54:28.000 I hope it's not Farrakhan. 0.75

02:54:31.000 Who are your white leaders?

02:54:33.000 Is it Donald Trump?

02:54:34.000 Is it the imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan?

02:54:35.000 Obama.

02:54:36.000 I'm my own leader.

02:54:37.000 It's Obama.

02:54:37.000 Well, exactly.

02:54:38.000 You have all your own people.

02:54:41.000 Your leader might be different than his leader than his leader.

02:54:44.000 Well, we don't have white leaders.

02:54:46.000 We had an orange leader for a little while, right? 0.88

02:54:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:54:48.000 Yeah, technically.

02:54:49.000 Well, he thinks he's still the leader.

02:54:50.000 Now let's get specific about skin tone color.

02:54:52.000 He thinks he's still the leader.

02:54:53.000 Well, you know what?

02:54:54.000 The best thing that I saw You know, I'm still doing this.

02:54:57.000 I still go to Klan rallies and all that kind of stuff.

02:55:01.000 But one of the best things I saw.

02:55:02.000 I went to a Klan rally.

02:55:04.000 And it was held on the lawn of the governor's mansion.

02:55:07.000 All right?

02:55:09.000 In the state capitol.

02:55:11.000 And there are all these protesters and all the state police keeping the protesters at a distance from the people in the robes and hoods.

02:55:18.000 Well, these people showed up who had painted themselves green.

02:55:22.000 And they were yelling, green power, green power!

02:55:25.000 That was the best thing I'd ever seen.

02:55:27.000 Yeah, because I'm kind of pink.

02:55:29.000 Your skin tone's a little auburn. 1.00

02:55:30.000 Now I like the specifics.

02:55:32.000 Now we're nuanced.

02:55:33.000 We went way late for a Friday, but it was really good.

02:55:36.000 Daryl, this was fantastic.

02:55:37.000 Thank you for having me.

02:55:37.000 I appreciate it.

02:55:38.000 Thank you so much for coming.

02:55:39.000 Hopefully you'll invite me back.

02:55:40.000 Not everybody liked the show, but 88% liked the show.

02:55:45.000 And I think people should expect two things.

02:55:48.000 We are going to have conversations that we'll disagree on.

02:55:52.000 People will not agree.

02:55:53.000 And I am not a master debater.

02:55:54.000 I am not a debater.

02:55:56.000 But, you know, we'll have conversations.

02:55:58.000 And so if the issue is you feel like I don't do a good enough job, well, maybe we should actually do like what we did with Charlie Kirk and Vosch.

02:56:05.000 And we'll have people who actually want to have a debate have a debate here.

02:56:08.000 But don't expect me.

02:56:10.000 I'm not that kind of guy, right?

02:56:11.000 So, if you do like the show and you appreciate that we're doing our best, I thank you so much for watching.

02:56:15.000 And if you don't like it, thanks for watching anyway.

02:56:17.000 You're entitled to your opinions and we respect all of your comments and everything.

02:56:20.000 Head over to TimCast.com if you want to support the show and support our journalists.

02:56:23.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.

02:56:24.000 You can follow me at TimCast.

02:56:26.000 Daryl, do you want to shout anything out?

02:56:28.000 Hey, really appreciate everybody.

02:56:29.000 You can find me at darryldavis.com.

02:56:32.000 D-A-R-R-Y-L-1-R, davis.com.

02:56:35.000 Right on.

02:56:35.000 And thank you for attending.

02:56:36.000 Hoping to come back sometime.

02:56:38.000 Absolutely.

02:56:39.000 Yeah, we'll do it.

02:56:39.000 Yeah, thanks for having me, everyone.

02:56:41.000 I'm Bill.

02:56:41.000 Find me at mines.com slash ottman.

02:56:43.000 All right.

02:56:44.000 I'm Ian Crossland, and I love you guys.

02:56:45.000 Thank you for coming.

02:56:46.000 Everybody, Tim, you're great, man.

02:56:48.000 This is really cool.

02:56:49.000 Love y'all.

02:56:50.000 And one more time, your documentary, the name of it?

02:56:52.000 Accidental courtesy.

02:56:54.000 Accidental courtesy.

02:56:55.000 Look for it on iTunes or Amazon Prime.

02:56:57.000 Beautiful.

02:56:59.000 And thank you guys very much for tuning in.

02:57:01.000 It's been a very engaging conversation.

02:57:02.000 A lot of fun.

02:57:03.000 I always love sparring conversation like this, and I'm really glad that we went long this evening.

02:57:07.000 It's always more interesting.

02:57:09.000 It's way more interesting to have somebody you don't agree with fully on any one thing.

02:57:12.000 Anyway, you guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sarah Patchlitz.

02:57:15.000 One last shout out.

02:57:16.000 Colin Stevens said, Tim, get Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas on.

02:57:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:57:20.000 Sure.

02:57:21.000 Yeah.

02:57:21.000 That would be one of the greatest shows ever for any podcast at any point ever.

02:57:26.000 I would love that to happen.

02:57:27.000 Well, I'll throw some coins into a wishing well and see if they can make it happen.

02:57:30.000 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:57:31.000 And we'll see you all next time.

02:57:32.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:57:33.000 Is it too late?

02:57:34.000 Okay.

02:57:34.000 Go to Chicken City.

02:57:36.000 Watch Chicken Sleeping.

02:57:37.000 ChickenCityLive.com.

02:57:38.000 All right.

02:57:39.000 We'll see you later.

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