Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Steven Crowder ERUPTS On 'Big Con' Over Contract Terms w-Tower Gang Crew

00:00:00.000 Man, it's been a terrible week for me.

00:00:29.000 I woke up this morning like, I'm gonna work again, my voice is getting better.

00:00:32.000 And it was worse!

00:00:33.000 And I'm like, how is it worse?

00:00:35.000 So, it's working now.

00:00:37.000 I think maybe by tomorrow morning it'll probably be okay.

00:00:38.000 But I started recording my first segment and I was getting angry because I'm like, I will not take another day off.

00:00:44.000 I hate taking days off.

00:00:46.000 And then after like four minutes, I literally couldn't talk.

00:00:49.000 I'm like, yo, this is BS, man.

00:00:51.000 When you said hate, you sounded like Cobra Commander.

00:00:54.000 I thought of Scrooge for a second.

00:00:56.000 Skeletor! 0.60

00:00:58.000 He-Man! 0.95

00:00:59.000 As you were getting angrier, were you screaming louder and shredding your voice more?

00:01:03.000 I was trying to get louder to push through.

00:01:05.000 And then I stopped and I'm just like, if I'm going to get my voice better, I can't do it.

00:01:09.000 I have to stop.

00:01:09.000 I have to just go hang out and play Overwatch or something.

00:01:12.000 And I was pissed off the whole day.

00:01:14.000 Just like sitting there like angrily running around as Sombra just killing people from behind. 0.88

00:01:19.000 Sombra?

00:01:19.000 So not D.Va?

00:01:21.000 No, no, because Sombra goes stealth and then you can run behind somebody. 0.99

00:01:25.000 And then I was just, I like playing Bastion because, you know, he's got whatever it's called.

00:01:29.000 The dude with the big shield?

00:01:30.000 No, the artillery.

00:01:31.000 I'm a big fan of the dude with the big shield.

00:01:32.000 I'm just mowing everybody down and I'm like, I feel good playing video games.

00:01:35.000 Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, this is one of my favorite subjects in the world.

00:01:39.000 Steven Crowder put out a video called, It's Time to Stop, where he calls out the big con in conservative media.

00:01:44.000 And I commented on his video saying, Steven Crowder is right about everything.

00:01:48.000 I want to provide context as to what I meant by that.

00:01:50.000 Because he's right about everything in terms of how these companies function, how the contracts work, but I don't think the bigger picture, like, I don't think Steven Crowder commented on the bigger picture.

00:02:00.000 That's why, you know, I'm not going to say he's wrong.

00:02:02.000 But I think there's a lot to understand in how these contracts work and what the future has to hold.

00:02:06.000 So this is going to be a whole lot of fun.

00:02:07.000 I'm basically going to spill the beans on, like, basically everything to the extent that I can.

00:02:11.000 I know a lot of these guys.

00:02:12.000 I know the CEOs of all these companies.

00:02:14.000 I've talked with all of them about more than these things.

00:02:17.000 So I respect their privacy, I'm not going to reveal any confidential details that could harm anybody in any way, but I'll tell you about everything I can, personally, and how it's affected us, and Stephen Crowder calling out how this machine is working.

00:02:28.000 For those that aren't familiar with the context, basically Crowder left The Blaze and has been working on his own thing, I suppose, and obviously it looks like he's been shopping around.

00:02:37.000 He posted details of a contract he received, calling out what he calls the Big Con.

00:02:41.000 So we're going to talk about the media landscape, how everybody's responding to it, but we've got a bunch of other news too.

00:02:45.000 Hey! 0.99

00:02:46.000 You know, we got Davos is happening, and a whole bunch of hookers are flying in. 1.00

00:02:50.000 And so I just think that's a funny story to talk about because they want to ban hookers for you, but they get all the hookers in the world. 0.95

00:02:55.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:02:57.000 Plus, I mean, to get serious, we got a crazy story.

00:02:59.000 There was apparently some failed GOP candidate who orchestrated, allegedly, shootings targeting Democrats.

00:03:06.000 Apparently, what was it, Luke?

00:03:08.000 He brought a fully automated machine gun that malfunctioned?

00:03:11.000 In one of the houses, yes.

00:03:11.000 That's crazy, man.

00:03:12.000 All right, so let's get into it.

00:03:13.000 Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member to support our work.

00:03:18.000 Full disclosure, man, we exist because of memberships.

00:03:21.000 Crowder brought this up in his video, he's completely right. 0.99

00:03:24.000 I saw the writing on the wall, he saw the writing on the wall, and so this is why everybody's creating subscription services.

00:03:30.000 Because for us to keep producing content, we rely on knowing how much money is coming in every month to pay salaries.

00:03:36.000 And that means we're, I remember a couple years ago, I was like, okay, just doing ads on YouTube is extremely dangerous because ads stopped when COVID happened, like gone.

00:03:45.000 And I'm like, well, our money's gone.

00:03:46.000 How do I even make a video?

00:03:47.000 I just got to cross my fingers and push through.

00:03:49.000 And then I'm like, we need to do a website.

00:03:51.000 We do a website with members only.

00:03:53.000 We create exclusive stuff for those members as something they can buy.

00:03:56.000 And then we know for sure, with like a drop off margin, how much money we will have per month

00:04:01.000 and if we can keep doing this and if we're growing.

00:04:03.000 And that's why we have the members only over at TimCast.com.

00:04:06.000 So become a member.

00:04:07.000 It really does make sure the machine works.

00:04:09.000 And then obviously, ad revenue is the icing on top.

00:04:12.000 And as a member, what you're investing in are cultural endeavors.

00:04:16.000 This is gonna be a big show because I'm gonna talk about Steven Crowder

00:04:19.000 and I'll talk about what we're investing money in, why Crowder encountered this contract that he did,

00:04:24.000 why these big companies offer these things.

00:04:27.000 And I think it's going to be enlightening for everybody as I explain how things work here, my motivations, my risks, my losses.

00:04:34.000 And I think y'all are in for a really, really interesting show.

00:04:37.000 So grab some popcorn because I'm going to talk hard numbers.

00:04:39.000 You're going to have fun with this one.

00:04:41.000 Smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, help you like my fancy glasses.

00:04:46.000 Joining us to talk about this and so much more, we got the crew from the Tower Gang.

00:04:49.000 What's up, brother?

00:04:51.000 Clint Russell, I'm the host of Liberty Lockdown, highly acclaimed, and the highly insane Tower Gang, with my brother Top Lobster, as well as Reed Coverdale, Toad, Fat Dave, named after Dave Smith, which I know everyone here is a fan of, and who did I miss?

00:05:05.000 Oh, Jose Galesan as well.

00:05:06.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:05:07.000 This is the greatest graphic designer on earth, Mr. Top Lobster.

00:05:10.000 Yeah, I go by Top Lobster.

00:05:12.000 I own TopLobster.com.

00:05:13.000 It's a merchandising company.

00:05:15.000 I'm the graphic designer for Break the Cycle with Joshua Smith, the vice chair of the LP.

00:05:20.000 I also own part of PodcastMerch.com, which is a company that we do merch for gas digital podcasts like Dave Smith's Part of the Problem, Michael Malice is still on there, Legion of Skanks, things like that.

00:05:34.000 So that's really what I'm focused on and thanks for having me here, guys.

00:05:37.000 Hell yeah.

00:05:38.000 Hey guys!

00:05:39.000 I'm going to be leaving this week, but not today!

00:05:42.000 And I wanted to remind you guys about BidenFetterman.com.

00:05:45.000 It's an actual website.

00:05:46.000 It is my website.

00:05:47.000 We talked about this yesterday, and that's why I'm wearing my Biden Fetterman 2024 shirt.

00:05:52.000 And to be specific here, when I mean Biden, I mean Hunter Biden.

00:05:56.000 It's the leadership that we deserve.

00:05:58.000 Let the ship sink already. 0.87

00:06:00.000 Let's get it over with.

00:06:01.000 You can get the shirt on BidenFetterman.com.

00:06:04.000 See you there.

00:06:04.000 Luke, what you don't understand is when the ship sinks, it's just a submarine, man, that's going to keep going.

00:06:09.000 It never stops.

00:06:11.000 We're better off taking control at the helm right now than letting it fall apart.

00:06:14.000 Hey, I wanted to point out, we did an episode of Liberty Lockdown last year.

00:06:18.000 I guess it was last year.

00:06:19.000 That's right, man.

00:06:19.000 It was a while ago.

00:06:20.000 It was a good time.

00:06:20.000 Yeah, it was great.

00:06:21.000 I also did an episode with Jose, who's not here tonight, represent.

00:06:24.000 What's up, Jose?

00:06:26.000 No Way Jose.

00:06:28.000 That was a good time.

00:06:29.000 Ian Crossland, here.

00:06:30.000 Happy to be here.

00:06:31.000 High Energy Surge!

00:06:37.000 Let's go!

00:06:38.000 Yeah, we were just talking about this before the pod that everyone thinks I'm super chill and I have no energy.

00:06:43.000 That's the joke, though.

00:06:44.000 My name is Serge.

00:06:45.000 As soon as the show's over, he goes crazy.

00:06:50.000 Hey, I'm at Serge.com everywhere.

00:06:52.000 It's been fun.

00:06:53.000 I've been posting on Twitter trying to figure this machine out a little more.

00:06:56.000 But I'm excited to get into this.

00:06:57.000 It's going to be a good episode.

00:06:58.000 Tim seems ready to go.

00:06:59.000 He's got the glasses on.

00:07:01.000 Let's go.

00:07:01.000 I grabbed a cough drop.

00:07:02.000 Let's see if that works.

00:07:03.000 All right, everybody.

00:07:04.000 Our first story from our good friends over at Media Matters, who I thought, you know, it's the perfect website to use when talking about the big con and Steven Crowder.

00:07:15.000 MediaMatters.org says, Steven Crowder lashes out at Big Con of conservative media for allegedly colluding with tech companies like YouTube.

00:07:23.000 Quote, those in charge, the big conservative, the big con, and it really is the biggest con going right now.

00:07:30.000 They're making it known in their contracts that they will enforce the guidelines of big tech and punish conservatives on their behalf.

00:07:37.000 Steven Crowder, one of the most prominent, if not the most prominent, I guess, what would you describe this conservative media movement or anti-establishment movement?

00:07:47.000 One of the most prominent voices, if not the most prominent, put out a video today just straight up calling out big conservative media.

00:07:56.000 I commented on the video, I said he's right about everything.

00:07:58.000 But I want to clarify what I mean by that, because maybe that's a little inappropriate.

00:08:03.000 He's right about the contracts.

00:08:05.000 He's right about the machine.

00:08:07.000 He's right about how this whole system works.

00:08:09.000 But there's an understanding you need to have.

00:08:11.000 The machine itself, these contracts, it's the product of How the law is structured, how the market is structured, and it's an inevitability.

00:08:22.000 The only way it changes, when people like Steven Crowder don't sign these deals, people like any of you who are signing up, don't sign these deals, say no to these deals, and build a completely new system.

00:08:34.000 And that means we've got big challenges.

00:08:36.000 It means that Disney's got an advantage.

00:08:38.000 You wanna know why Disney's got an advantage?

00:08:40.000 Because when Steven Crowder, he leaves the blaze, He's obviously shopping around.

00:08:47.000 That's why he's got this contract.

00:08:48.000 He says these terms are insane.

00:08:50.000 He doesn't need to sign it.

00:08:52.000 Many people do need to sign these deals, and they do sign these deals.

00:08:56.000 For a company like Disney, I remember I got a contract from them.

00:08:59.000 I signed it.

00:09:00.000 It was a lot of cash, a lot of cash I didn't have, and I said, okay.

00:09:03.000 And then, within the confines of that contract, I eventually was like, I know what I have to do, and I know what I'm not going to do, and you're not going to get me to do anything.

00:09:10.000 Please break my contract.

00:09:11.000 They said, no.

00:09:12.000 I got locked up for a couple years.

00:09:13.000 They call that golden handcuffs.

00:09:15.000 It is extremely common in the media industry.

00:09:17.000 I think Cenk Uygur talked about it when he was at MSNBC.

00:09:20.000 Yep, same thing happened to Jesse Ventura when he was critical of the war in Iraq.

00:09:25.000 They silenced him and essentially got rid of his show that they paid a lot of money for, and he essentially a year was just sitting and couldn't do any interviews or his own show, which is absolutely crazy.

00:09:35.000 So let's do this.

00:09:36.000 I'll start off by saying Stephen Crowder launching his own thing is the most important thing he can do.

00:09:44.000 But that the current reality of big media, especially with an anti-establishment landscape, is that these deals are quite literally impossible.

00:09:55.000 And more importantly, they're impossible for someone like Steven Crowder.

00:10:00.000 So I'll say this to get started, and then y'all are going to have to ask me questions, I guess, on what you're thinking.

00:10:04.000 Crowder's too big.

00:10:05.000 There's no way anyone can sign a deal with Steven Crowder.

00:10:09.000 It's just that simple.

00:10:10.000 Dude's got nearly 6 million subscribers.

00:10:13.000 How do you do a deal with this man?

00:10:16.000 He owns the space.

00:10:18.000 So imagine you're, we got a handful of companies, obviously everybody's giving their thoughts on which company they think this was that offered him a contract, but there's a lot, right?

00:10:26.000 Obviously there was The Blaze.

00:10:28.000 We know Rumble's doing a lot of deals with people.

00:10:30.000 The Daily Wire's obviously another big one.

00:10:31.000 They've got a big roster.

00:10:32.000 What are some other companies in the space?

00:10:35.000 InfoWars?

00:10:37.000 InfoWars, obviously.

00:10:38.000 I doubt InfoWars.

00:10:40.000 I don't know if Steven will go to InfoWars, though.

00:10:42.000 OAN?

00:10:42.000 No, I mean... OAN, Newsmax?

00:10:44.000 Given the legal troubles, probably not.

00:10:46.000 Honestly, Fox.

00:10:47.000 Fox is there.

00:10:48.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:49.000 They're looking for a comedian to host, I heard.

00:10:49.000 Fox.

00:10:50.000 He'd be a great hire, by the way.

00:10:53.000 They got Gutfeld.

00:10:54.000 He's slaying it.

00:10:55.000 Yeah, Alex Jones and Stephen Crowder did multiple interviews, and Alex Jones even said that he's moving away from his kind of libertarian policies and agreeing with Stephen when it comes to more kind of statist solutions.

00:11:05.000 It's possible.

00:11:06.000 It's completely possible.

00:11:07.000 So everybody has their speculation.

00:11:09.000 CRTV is also another big one.

00:11:11.000 No, but CRTV is the blaze.

00:11:13.000 Yeah, and turning point's a maybe, but I think Fox is probably a really good guess, too.

00:11:13.000 Oh, got it.

00:11:19.000 People gotta understand, whoever this company is, I would tell you Fox probably has the worst terms.

00:11:26.000 You guys want to play some games?

00:11:27.000 Fox guests aren't allowed on this show.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, not allowed.

00:11:31.000 You don't know about contractually?

00:11:33.000 I don't know about contractually.

00:11:35.000 I just know that I'm probably pissing off Fox right now.

00:11:38.000 Yeah, like, we routinely have people say stuff like, I wish, I'm a big fan, we love the show, we'd love to come on, too bad we can't.

00:11:44.000 By the way, Fox, whoever you guys, have your people come on, because it would be phenomenal for all of us.

00:11:49.000 Is it this show specifically, or just any podcast form?

00:11:51.000 This show is specifically blacklisted for Fox personalities.

00:11:56.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

00:11:58.000 Oh, that makes absolute sense.

00:11:58.000 We compete directly with Tucker Carlson.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, a lot of people see a competition instead of actually, you know, working together cohesively.

00:12:04.000 There's also PragerU, Epoch Times.

00:12:08.000 There's a lot of media organizations in the space that do have the money that could facilitate this.

00:12:13.000 But how do you do a deal with Steven Crowder?

00:12:15.000 Let's break it down.

00:12:17.000 Let's break it down.

00:12:18.000 You got 6 million subscribers on Steven Crowder's channel.

00:12:21.000 Let's say you create the Crowder Club. 0.93

00:12:23.000 You know, he's got Mug Club, but let's say you're... I don't want to name any company, so let's make up a fake one.

00:12:28.000 Conservative Inc.

00:12:30.000 Let's say you run Conservative Inc.

00:12:31.000 and you're like, we got some investor cash.

00:12:34.000 You know, bigwig libertarian billionaire who bought a bunch of Bitcoin because he's a creep can afford to invest.

00:12:39.000 He's helping run our company, investing in our company.

00:12:42.000 We can hire one of these guys.

00:12:43.000 How much can we reasonably afford to spend?

00:12:46.000 Let's think about the revenues.

00:12:48.000 We'll use the Daily Wire because they've talked about their numbers.

00:12:50.000 What do they have, 900,000 paying subscribers?

00:12:53.000 Is that what it was?

00:12:54.000 Yeah, Matt Walsh really brought in that money for them, to be honest.

00:12:57.000 So let's just look at their memberships.

00:12:59.000 They got a $7, a $10, and a $13, something like that.

00:13:02.000 So let's just go for the middle and say it's like $10 per person.

00:13:04.000 They're doing, what, $9 million in membership revenue per month.

00:13:08.000 They've also got, what, seven big personalities.

00:13:10.000 They've also got ad revenue.

00:13:12.000 Let me do a quick math on what I think their ad revenue might be.

00:13:17.000 Well, actually, no, I think they said, didn't it say they were doing like 100 million a year or something like that?

00:13:21.000 I don't remember.

00:13:22.000 I don't remember either.

00:13:23.000 It was like 120.

00:13:24.000 I'd be willing to bet that they probably do, I don't know, 15, it's a guess, 15 million bucks per month.

00:13:33.000 Sponsorship revenue only goes so far.

00:13:35.000 You can be really, really big, but it only goes so far.

00:13:37.000 So let's say it's the bulk is memberships, 15 million per month, but you gotta pay for, what do they have, 300 employees?

00:13:44.000 I don't know the numbers at Daily Wire very well.

00:13:46.000 The top level talent has to be extraordinarily expensive.

00:13:48.000 Jordan Peterson, I imagine, they had to pay him like 10 million bucks.

00:13:54.000 In comparison to Steven Crowder, where is Jordan Peterson fall there?

00:13:58.000 Jordan Peterson's a very different personality.

00:14:00.000 Steven Crowder has guaranteed numbers.

00:14:02.000 When you're trying to sign someone like Crowder, you're like, I can look at how many people comment, I can look at how many people view each of your videos, and not only that, If he's got membership-only content, he can provide those metrics as well.

00:14:15.000 And then you can say, I know how much money I can make off this.

00:14:18.000 But imagine you're... I don't even know how much money Fox makes.

00:14:23.000 They have cable contracts, which guarantees them probably like...

00:14:26.000 You know, hundreds of millions of dollars per year.

00:14:28.000 Yeah, guaranteed, just for being on the cable networks, because the cable deals, people sign up for cable because they want Fox News.

00:14:36.000 So Fox News, my question is this.

00:14:40.000 Let's say Conservative Inc.

00:14:41.000 contacts Steven Crowder.

00:14:42.000 How much can they reasonably afford to pay him?

00:14:44.000 How much can they make off of him?

00:14:47.000 And how do they make money off of him?

00:14:49.000 Let's take a look at this contract.

00:14:51.000 In this video, you can see this.

00:14:53.000 It says, Merch rights.

00:14:55.000 Blank will maintain the exclusive rights to create and sell Crowder and Crowder content branded merchandise.

00:15:01.000 All remuneration for the blank and exploitation of these rights is included in the fee.

00:15:07.000 Okay.

00:15:08.000 Email list.

00:15:09.000 Blank will maintain the exclusive rights to manage, grow, and monetize all Crowder email lists during the term.

00:15:14.000 All remuneration for the exploitation of these rights is included in the fee.

00:15:19.000 Social media management.

00:15:21.000 Blank will have the exclusive right to manage, curate, and monetize Crowder's official Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Snapchat, Rumble, and other social media accounts excluding Crowder's existing personal Twitter and Instagram accounts during the term.

00:15:31.000 Additionally, Blank will have the perpetual and exclusive right to create, own, manage, curate, and monetize any and all social media accounts on any social media or similar platform as determined by Blank on the Crowder content or shows.

00:15:43.000 All remuneration for the exploitation of these rights is included in the fee.

00:15:45.000 What's the fee?

00:15:47.000 Was Crowder offered $100 million?

00:15:48.000 Because I gotta tell you, if someone came to me and said, look, we can make merch based on you.

00:15:55.000 Ours.

00:15:56.000 We can manage an email list.

00:15:58.000 Everything.

00:15:58.000 Ours.

00:16:00.000 We're gonna handle all of your social media content.

00:16:03.000 All of that will happen only within the term as it states in the contract.

00:16:06.000 What's the term?

00:16:07.000 Typically three years is what they'll try to get you on.

00:16:10.000 Whenever I was negotiating contracts, they'd always say three years, and I'd laugh and I'd say no.

00:16:13.000 And they'd be like, but that's standard.

00:16:14.000 I'm like, I don't care what's standard.

00:16:15.000 We'll do two years.

00:16:16.000 And two years is gonna, oof, I did two years of Fusion.

00:16:19.000 What's the fee?

00:16:21.000 Is Crowder mad that they offered him a really garbage fee in exchange for control of all of his rights and all of his production?

00:16:27.000 It's possible.

00:16:29.000 I don't know. Don't know how much money he was offered. But I'll tell you this, if he was offered,

00:16:33.000 say, $200 million over three years, is that contract unreasonable?

00:16:37.000 No.

00:16:37.000 If he was offered $5 million for three years?

00:16:40.000 Then it's unreasonable.

00:16:41.000 Absolutely. So that's a big question here. This contract may look exploitative,

00:16:45.000 but it's really, we don't know the consideration.

00:16:47.000 Exactly.

00:16:48.000 If I went to you and said, I will give you, like, if I had a contract and it said, like,

00:16:53.000 you must turn over your house immediately, you. 0.66

00:16:57.000 You must give me all property you own.

00:16:59.000 And then you went around showing people, like, look at this contract.

00:17:01.000 It says he can take everything from me.

00:17:02.000 People might be like, wow, that's crazy.

00:17:04.000 And then he's not showing you the page where it says in exchange, I give you my house and a million dollars.

00:17:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:17:08.000 It's like, we don't know if the deal's fair or not.

00:17:10.000 If you're gonna sell your soul, you better back up the Brinks truck, you know? 0.99

00:17:14.000 It better be heavy money, because as you said, Crowder's making crazy money.

00:17:18.000 So he doesn't need to sell his soul.

00:17:20.000 Is he, though?

00:17:21.000 Well, do you not think so, with Mug Club and all that?

00:17:23.000 Who owns Mug Club?

00:17:24.000 He said he owns it.

00:17:25.000 He owns it?

00:17:26.000 Yeah.

00:17:26.000 He owns it now, or he owned it before?

00:17:28.000 I don't know.

00:17:28.000 In this video, from what I saw, I watched about 20 minutes of it, he was saying that basically we can do this on our own with Mug Club, I can open up my own thing if need be.

00:17:36.000 But he didn't really go into specifics about how much he's making.

00:17:39.000 So if he's going to open up his own thing, I'll tell you man, Crowder was six million subscribers when he did the coverage of the midterms and he had what like half a million live viewers.

00:17:51.000 If I was going to just spitball a number that I think Crowder independent would make, it would be $10 million per month.

00:17:57.000 Wow.

00:17:59.000 The Daily Wire is big.

00:18:01.000 The Daily Wire is basically Ben Shapiro.

00:18:03.000 You've got Ben Shapiro and then you go down the roster.

00:18:07.000 So it's like, Matt Walsh now may be their biggest moneymaker.

00:18:13.000 Oh yeah, What Is A Woman was just massive. 1.00

00:18:15.000 These are things they've stated publicly.

00:18:18.000 They've talked about how they brought in like 300,000 new members off that alone.

00:18:21.000 I think that's what they said, I don't know for sure, it's just what I heard.

00:18:24.000 And I mean, you gotta think about that.

00:18:26.000 300,000 new members on a documentary that probably cost a couple hundred grand to make, a couple hundred grand to market if you wanna do it big.

00:18:31.000 They had a Times Square billboard, I think they had it running?

00:18:34.000 Yeah, they knocked it out of the park with that.

00:18:36.000 So imagine you got 13 bucks a month is the tier to watch video and you had 300,000 people.

00:18:42.000 Let's say the average person stays on as a member.

00:18:45.000 The churn rate for every company is different, but let's say it's a year.

00:18:49.000 That's a lot of money to come in off one documentary.

00:18:52.000 I need to ask you a question, because you've got a lot more experience with YouTube.

00:18:55.000 By the way, Twice Struck, Liberty Lockdown, please forgive me.

00:18:59.000 My overlords.

00:19:00.000 I'm sorry.

00:19:00.000 I know not what I've done wrong.

00:19:02.000 But that's no joke.

00:19:03.000 Your channel got two strikes in the last, what, three weeks or something?

00:19:05.000 Ten days since I had James Lindsay on, he went down the same line of thinking that he expressed on this fine program.

00:19:12.000 I have no idea what I did wrong.

00:19:14.000 And they will not tell me.

00:19:15.000 They won't give me a timestamp.

00:19:16.000 It breaks my heart.

00:19:17.000 I'm trying my best.

00:19:18.000 Yes, to stay on there.

00:19:18.000 I really am.

00:19:19.000 It's important that you guys are listening, the admins, because Clint is, you actually mentioned you might not even be putting videos on YouTube for like 90 days out of fear that you get a third strike for unknown reasons.

00:19:27.000 I can't risk it.

00:19:28.000 And that's not good.

00:19:29.000 So if you guys can look at that and take care of it.

00:19:31.000 Please, I'm begging.

00:19:33.000 But the reason I wanted to ask Tim is because he's got so much experience with this.

00:19:36.000 Are you basically saying that Google What do you mean?

00:19:40.000 parent company of YouTube is so well ran in terms of paying their creators that you cannot

00:19:48.000 really compete in this space any longer?

00:19:50.000 Google?

00:19:51.000 What do you mean?

00:19:52.000 Well, it seems as if you're implying that because Crowder has such an enormous following

00:19:57.000 on YouTube and the revenue that he's deriving from that.

00:20:00.000 OK, go ahead.

00:20:01.000 No, no.

00:20:02.000 What I'm saying is that the people who run let's just I don't want to name any specific

00:20:07.000 companies.

00:20:08.000 Sure.

00:20:09.000 A lot of people are like, name names, name names.

00:20:11.000 I don't think there's bad guys here.

00:20:12.000 If you are a businessman, and you're like, how do we cultivate talent?

00:20:17.000 So look at The Daily Wire, for example.

00:20:18.000 Michael Knowles rose from inside The Daily Wire.

00:20:23.000 What was he like, he was an editor or something?

00:20:24.000 I can't remember what his job was.

00:20:26.000 Yeah, he was behind the scenes.

00:20:28.000 They found talent, they cultivated that talent, and they found a rising star.

00:20:34.000 Before the show we were getting into it and I was like, we've got to save it for the show.

00:20:36.000 Let me tell you something.

00:20:37.000 We make a lot of money at TimCast.com.

00:20:41.000 I've never talked about our membership numbers or things like that because I don't know.

00:20:47.000 It's a private business.

00:20:48.000 We're not a non-profit.

00:20:50.000 And I think a lot of people don't understand how expensive things can be and money when it comes to doing things like this.

00:20:57.000 But we do make a lot.

00:20:58.000 I love that you rake, by the way.

00:21:00.000 I love it.

00:21:03.000 I think we do around eight figures per year.

00:21:06.000 That's beautiful.

00:21:07.000 And it's almost exclusively just me personally.

00:21:11.000 So, we have employees who help run 10 Cast IRL.

00:21:13.000 Where's the Bugatti at?

00:21:14.000 Where's the private plane?

00:21:16.000 I have a Model S. The Bugatti's right here, baby!

00:21:20.000 We've flown private several times.

00:21:22.000 Nice, man.

00:21:24.000 And I'll explain a lot of this, too.

00:21:27.000 I'll just break everything down for everybody so you can understand how exactly everything works.

00:21:30.000 I don't care about fancy cars.

00:21:31.000 I don't care about big houses.

00:21:32.000 I don't care about infinity pools.

00:21:33.000 I care about literally none of it.

00:21:35.000 I don't care about having a million bitcoin.

00:21:37.000 I don't care about having a penthouse in New York City.

00:21:41.000 I care about good people doing good things to make things better because I don't like bad things.

00:21:47.000 And what do I see?

00:21:48.000 I complain about it all day, all the bad things.

00:21:50.000 So let me explain how this company works.

00:21:52.000 We're very different from Big Con and a lot of these companies.

00:21:56.000 I wish I was the kind of guy who could fire everybody, shut the whole company down, and then just take all of that money and put it in my pocket because it is almost entirely just me.

00:22:09.000 I talk about this quite a bit.

00:22:13.000 I told this to Steven.

00:22:14.000 Some days I think back to when I was sitting in New Jersey, in front of my computer, in my boxers, playing World of Warcraft.

00:22:21.000 I think, I can't remember which one, it was Legion, I think.

00:22:23.000 Uncovered the Void Elves, that was fun. 0.75

00:22:26.000 Unlocked.

00:22:27.000 And I had like 180,000 subscribers on YouTube.com slash TimCast.

00:22:31.000 I had 100,000 on TimCast News.

00:22:33.000 And I was making about $300,000 per year just off that.

00:22:36.000 And then Joe Rogan calls me up.

00:22:38.000 We have a conversation.

00:22:39.000 Then Joe Rogan invites me out.

00:22:41.000 And I say, this is awesome, I should totally do it.

00:22:43.000 Sometimes I think back and I'm like, maybe I shouldn't have done it.

00:22:46.000 Maybe I'd like to peer into the crystal ball and find that timeline where I said, Joe, with respect, love your work, not interested, have a nice day.

00:22:54.000 Because I'd be sitting there minding my own business, with no headaches, with no employees, and I'd be making a ton of money.

00:23:00.000 And then with that money, I could buy a bunch of gold bars, put those gold bars in my closet, and then a year later, I look in my closet, gold bars are sitting there.

00:23:07.000 So here's the thing about these big media companies, and why they do these deals, and why they offer the contracts they do.

00:23:12.000 First, I'll say it again.

00:23:13.000 Crowder's right to say no to these contracts.

00:23:15.000 He's right to say these contracts are bad.

00:23:17.000 Nobody should take these deals.

00:23:18.000 It's a new world.

00:23:19.000 Make your own channel.

00:23:20.000 Forge your way.

00:23:21.000 It is difficult, but that's what has to be done, especially for someone as big as Crowder.

00:23:25.000 I can certainly understand why there is someone thinking like, yeah, but if I get a job at the Daily Wire, I could be the next Michael Knowles.

00:23:30.000 Total fact.

00:23:31.000 Total fact.

00:23:32.000 Here's the thing.

00:23:34.000 What do we do?

00:23:36.000 The majority of the money that we make here, we invest in people who don't make money back for us.

00:23:41.000 And I'm not trying to say this because I love everybody who works at TimCast.

00:23:45.000 We got an awesome team of really great people and they help make it all possible.

00:23:49.000 It is possible to run TimCast IRL on bare bones with maybe like one or two people.

00:23:54.000 But I want to make sure nobody's, like, going crazy and everyone's comfortable.

00:23:57.000 So we have, like, a handful of people who help.

00:23:59.000 We have people who book, people who schedule guests, you know, people who will handle the booking for us, do the paperwork.

00:24:08.000 It does require some people.

00:24:10.000 If I got rid of this show and just did my own personal YouTube channels, revenue probably wouldn't change that much, and I wouldn't have to worry about any of this.

00:24:16.000 I could take that money that I make from you guys watching my content, I could then buy a gold bar for $2,000, put it in my closet, close the door, a year later when I come back, the gold bar is still there, that's my gold bar, I will always have it.

00:24:29.000 Instead.

00:24:30.000 But you go and you look at that gold bar and then you walk out of your house and the world's on fire, Tim.

00:24:35.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:24:36.000 I don't know you that well.

00:24:37.000 Maybe 45 minutes we spoke, but I could tell the type of person you are and you wouldn't be satisfied with that.

00:24:43.000 It's because I don't care about a gold bar.

00:24:45.000 So here's what we have.

00:24:45.000 Right.

00:24:46.000 We have like 35 employees plus contractors.

00:24:50.000 I make a little bit of money off a bunch of our shows.

00:24:53.000 I think Cast Castle may be our second, now second most successful show because we've got a bunch of people who sign up to become members specifically to watch the shenanigans of the house.

00:25:01.000 I think that's awesome.

00:25:02.000 Nice.

00:25:04.000 Pop Culture Crisis, our pop culture show, in the red.

00:25:08.000 Makes money, but in the red.

00:25:10.000 And you know what?

00:25:11.000 I don't care.

00:25:11.000 But let me explain something.

00:25:13.000 And you know, shout out to the Pop Culture Crisis crew, you guys do a really, really great job.

00:25:18.000 We pay them a salary.

00:25:19.000 That's guaranteed income.

00:25:22.000 I don't make that money back.

00:25:24.000 How could I do a deal where I'm like, I will pay you more money or I will give you all of these things, like when a member signs up, you get a cut.

00:25:32.000 That's impossible.

00:25:33.000 I'm just losing money, but I want this thing to exist.

00:25:36.000 And then here's the best part.

00:25:38.000 Let's say I spend $500,000 on this show because I want it to exist.

00:25:44.000 And then they quit.

00:25:47.000 That money's gone. 0.99

00:25:49.000 Crap, I could buy gold bars. 0.99

00:25:50.000 They don't go anywhere. 1.00

00:25:51.000 They don't even walk.

00:25:52.000 You know, you just lock them in a closet.

00:25:53.000 What you're investing in, though, is you're investing in intangible.

00:25:56.000 So, like, a pop culture crisis.

00:25:57.000 Culture.

00:25:58.000 That's what you're investing in right there.

00:25:59.000 You don't know what that will turn into. 0.61

00:26:01.000 And then we also look at, like, maybe some of the ESG stuff, where Disney will fund movies that are just complete garbage.

00:26:07.000 I'm doing the same thing.

00:26:08.000 And be in the red, but they're pushing a culture. 0.96

00:26:10.000 They're pushing something. 0.99

00:26:11.000 They better not be garbage, Tim. 0.99

00:26:12.000 Don't do it. 0.99

00:26:12.000 No, no. 0.99

00:26:13.000 This is what people need to get.

00:26:15.000 Impact investment.

00:26:15.000 Fox News.

00:26:17.000 Fox News.

00:26:18.000 The Daily Wire, Epoch Times, whatever, I'm not trying to call anybody out specifically, but they're in the business of making money.

00:26:25.000 They, of course, probably believe a lot of what they're doing.

00:26:28.000 You wouldn't start a business selling birdhouses unless you liked making birdhouses.

00:26:32.000 But I don't need the company to make money.

00:26:34.000 So this is what I'm saying about Crowder being right. 0.65

00:26:36.000 What we're doing and what Crowder needs to do is different.

00:26:40.000 Crowder will be rich for the rest of his life.

00:26:42.000 He has nothing to worry about.

00:26:43.000 What Crowder needs to do now is take those resources from those who care about him, those who respect his voice and believe in the movement, when they buy Mug Club and when they invest, he needs to then do exactly what he's saying.

00:26:55.000 That's why I say he's completely right.

00:26:56.000 He's like, I will sign you.

00:26:57.000 I will get you this deal.

00:26:58.000 Yes!

00:27:00.000 Because Disney is doing ESG.

00:27:02.000 They're hiring woke people at a loss because they want the politics. 0.99

00:27:06.000 I'll play the same damn game. 0.98

00:27:08.000 I could invest all of my money in something much easier. 0.99

00:27:12.000 You know, I could call a wealth management guy and be like, look, we're making eight figures. 0.76

00:27:15.000 Take all the money, all the profit, and invest it in BlackRock and Vanguard, whatever garbage company that wants to destroy the planet. 0.79

00:27:22.000 I am doing that.

00:27:24.000 So I mentioned we've flown in private planes.

00:27:27.000 I've got a Model S. I'll tell you exactly why I have a Model S. I don't want a Model S. I don't want an expensive car.

00:27:35.000 But I can't just have money sitting in the bank.

00:27:37.000 That is not a reality.

00:27:39.000 It devalues over time.

00:27:42.000 Especially with the way inflation was going, what ends up happening is I'm sitting there and we have profit come in and I'm like, okay, I have this money that came in.

00:27:50.000 I want to invest in something.

00:27:52.000 We have to have a certain amount in our savings account to run the business, because when COVID happened, revenue dropped to, like, we basically were sitting on top of red, and that was a scary thing to see happen.

00:28:03.000 Now I've got 30-plus employees.

00:28:05.000 I can't go in the red.

00:28:07.000 If we don't have that rainy day fund, people don't get paid.

00:28:09.000 Okay, can't do that.

00:28:11.000 Also, can't just have cash in the bank.

00:28:14.000 It's losing value and people want raises.

00:28:17.000 So you have to buy something that will retain its value.

00:28:20.000 So property in any capacity.

00:28:22.000 Well, I really relate to your story and this is I think why I'm a fan of yours is because you don't need to be doing what you're doing in terms of fighting in the culture war and yet you're doing it.

00:28:32.000 And this is actually one of my major disagreements with the old guard of the Libertarian Party is that they They really abdicated their duty in terms of engaging in the culture war at all.

00:28:41.000 You know, they just said, let people do as they see fit.

00:28:44.000 And that's not our business.

00:28:45.000 We just want the government out of it.

00:28:47.000 And, and while obviously I agree with that sentiment, I think at the end of the day, the reason that Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh and these other people get to drag us through the mud and pretend as if we're, you know, degenerates and we have no, uh, moral fabric or, you know, culture to ourselves at all.

00:29:03.000 As they should.

00:29:04.000 Well, they should be doing that, but they're wrong, and I think it's because we didn't engage in that fight.

00:29:09.000 So I love that you were talking on the show last night about creating the coffee shops or the skate shops and having our crew of media that's playing as opposed to having CNN playing in the gym and things like that.

00:29:23.000 I think it's so important that you're doing that.

00:29:25.000 And the other reason I relate to your story is because I ran a private mortgage company, and I was making a half a million dollars a year, and I had no employees, and I was just raking.

00:29:33.000 I was just doing great.

00:29:34.000 And I did that for 10 years, and then the lockdowns happened, and I was like, oh, I've been ignoring the insanity of our world for too long.

00:29:42.000 2020 strikes. 0.96

00:29:43.000 Obviously, lunatics are in charge of us. 0.98

00:29:46.000 They lock us down. 1.00

00:29:47.000 They screw up everything.

00:29:48.000 And I'm like, well, I need to do something about this.

00:29:50.000 So, I shut down my company, I start Liberty Lockdown, then Tower Gang.

00:29:56.000 At some point, things get so dire that we're forced to engage.

00:30:00.000 And if you want to ignore that, I could have done the same thing.

00:30:03.000 I could have gone out and bought bars of gold, but then I'm in a world that's hell.

00:30:08.000 So why would I do that?

00:30:09.000 If I could just tag on to what you were saying.

00:30:11.000 A couple days ago you had the Krasenstein Brothers on and they said something that bothered me.

00:30:18.000 Everything they say bothers me.

00:30:20.000 No, no.

00:30:21.000 Something that I kind of, like, it really stuck with me.

00:30:23.000 They said they don't like that Republican legislature is making laws against, or focusing too much on culture.

00:30:30.000 I'm probably paraphrasing it wrong.

00:30:31.000 They said they care too much about social issues.

00:30:33.000 Correct.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, that's what they said.

00:30:36.000 I mean, I think that you guys are completely over the target.

00:30:42.000 You have pinpointed an issue in this society, a linchpin that is, well, I mean, it's holding them together, but you guys are right over it.

00:30:50.000 And when the left sees that, or whoever it may be, when they see that, they kind of start to get frazzled.

00:30:56.000 And they said it out loud, which to me was kind of amazing, but I've heard it before multiple times where you're calling someone out for what they're doing.

00:31:04.000 Does anyone ever talk about the healthcare policies of Iran?

00:31:09.000 No.

00:31:10.000 What do they talk about?

00:31:13.000 What does the left talk about when it comes to countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia?

00:31:17.000 Hijabs. 1.00

00:31:17.000 Women's rights. 1.00

00:31:18.000 Yeah.

00:31:18.000 Women's rights.

00:31:19.000 Optics.

00:31:19.000 Treatment of gay people.

00:31:20.000 Oh, that's true.

00:31:21.000 So what happens is, on the right, you have the vanguards of social order.

00:31:26.000 Where they're saying like, guys, if we go down that path, no one will ever care about healthcare policy because people will be dying.

00:31:36.000 The left, like the Krasensteins, they're more liberal.

00:31:39.000 They're more default liberal.

00:31:40.000 They're like, I don't understand why culture matters. 0.90

00:31:43.000 I'm concerned about someone getting healthcare or a job.

00:31:46.000 And I'm like, that's downstream from where we're at.

00:31:49.000 I agree with you, but when the cultural apparatus is completely on that side there, every time I open my eyes, if I turn on my phone or the TV, it's something from a left-leaning cultural establishment.

00:32:01.000 It's kind of hard for me to separate these two things.

00:32:04.000 It's so monopolized.

00:32:05.000 I really believe that if we don't engage in that fight, then The future generations are owned by their dictates and we stand no chance.

00:32:12.000 So we have no choice but to engage.

00:32:14.000 And the people that actually have financial capital or success or brand recognition or name recognition that exists in our space, as far as I'm concerned, maybe it's altruistic, maybe it's too haughty and lofty, but I think that we have a duty to engage in their arena, the one that they don't want us to be engaging in.

00:32:31.000 Yeah, one of the issues up to this point that Libertarian has had, I think, is that it's very live and let live, like you do you according to politics, like your politics, but then they also said that about culture, like whatever, but the reality is we are embedded in each other's realities, like culturally, regardless of our politics.

00:32:48.000 I'm so down with letting you do your own politics over there, but if it's altering the way my kids view their gender or changing the way my kids think, I'm involved no matter what my This is why I have such a harsh disagreement with the reasons and the Cato Institutes of the world that that frame us as being basically we are not allowed we're not permitted by their establishment Libertarian Inc banner to engage in this discussion whatsoever.

00:33:15.000 They don't want us to comment on You know, ESG and CRT and any of the things that are going into our culture, which is like gutting our civilization.

00:33:24.000 And I take that very seriously.

00:33:26.000 And most libertarians I know do as well.

00:33:28.000 So when people recognize, you know, Cato or Reason as the standard bearers for libertarianism, it drives me insane.

00:33:36.000 And that's why.

00:33:38.000 Crowder's done that multiple times.

00:33:40.000 But I want to read this.

00:33:40.000 Yes.

00:33:41.000 We've got a couple of Super Chats.

00:33:43.000 And this is a really good example of one of the biggest problems that we have in the culture war.

00:33:49.000 We got Blunt News who says, Tim telling all his employees he doesn't need them, right to their face in front of the world, you're welcome to the five dollars, it's the last.

00:33:56.000 Another guy says, Tim, you need to slice a humble pie.

00:33:58.000 No, let me speak, bro.

00:33:59.000 I got a guy that's being honest with me.

00:34:01.000 That's the first step.

00:34:01.000 That's not even it.

00:34:02.000 You basically said your employees are inconsequential, have some respect for the people who took the risk.

00:34:07.000 But this is the point.

00:34:09.000 The view of those super chatters is, the purpose of the business is to make money.

00:34:13.000 No.

00:34:14.000 If I'm going to do anything in terms of leading a culture war charge, it's impossible without the people who work at this company.

00:34:20.000 Bingo. 0.99

00:34:20.000 The money is garbage. 0.99

00:34:22.000 That's the point. 0.99

00:34:23.000 I don't need it.

00:34:24.000 I'd rather hire someone like Shane Cashman so that he can write these stories and profile people like Carrie Lake and Kanye.

00:34:33.000 Excellent article.

00:34:35.000 The way I've explained it is, what would I rather have?

00:34:38.000 An infinity pool?

00:34:39.000 Or for the world to be able to read a breakdown of what happened in that courtroom with Carrie Lake.

00:34:44.000 For the world to have that article.

00:34:46.000 So when someone says, like Tim's saying, his employees are inconsequential.

00:34:49.000 Oh, you misunderstand.

00:34:51.000 They're inconsequential to me making money.

00:34:53.000 But who the cares if I make money?

00:34:56.000 We all care if fact-based news is being written.

00:34:59.000 Hey, guess what?

00:35:00.000 We're news guard certified over at TimCast.com.

00:35:02.000 That's only possible thanks to our newsroom.

00:35:04.000 Does the newsroom make money? 0.71

00:35:05.000 It makes a little bit, but I spend more on it.

00:35:07.000 Why?

00:35:07.000 Because it is more important to have these people able to do the world-changing things they do than for me to buy gold.

00:35:15.000 That's the point.

00:35:16.000 How about this?

00:35:17.000 I could, if I was that kind of guy, be like, I'm the one who makes the money.

00:35:22.000 What do I need anyone else for?

00:35:22.000 But I don't care about that.

00:35:25.000 When you guys become members of TimCast.com, when you guys super chat, I'm basically saying, who else can I empower to try and change the world?

00:35:32.000 And it really is crazy.

00:35:34.000 And I think about it and I'm like, man, like some of the stuff that's been produced by like, you know, shout out to Shane Cashman, the News Team, Pop Culture Crisis.

00:35:41.000 I'm like, this stuff is gonna last forever.

00:35:43.000 And it is infinitely more valuable than any material object.

00:35:48.000 The abstract ideas that are produced.

00:35:51.000 And I gotta give a shout out to Shane.

00:35:53.000 Because I think him profiling the Carey Lake trial is a piece of history that needed to exist, and I am eternally grateful that you guys watching made that possible.

00:36:03.000 He's one of the best writers I have ever seen.

00:36:05.000 I just want to talk about the Crowder situation here a little bit, because I think Crowder was kind of insulated away from the business aspect of what's really going on in this media sphere for a very long time when he was working at The Blaze.

00:36:17.000 And when he's given these contracts, a lot of the times, a lot of these businesses usually do very high asks in the beginning.

00:36:24.000 You get a lawyer, you negotiate it down.

00:36:27.000 There's a long process here where you got to go back and forth.

00:36:30.000 And there are a lot of competitive, very cutthroat individuals in this game that we do have to address that do care about themselves rather than the overall message.

00:36:37.000 So when Crowder says that, I agree with him. 1.00

00:36:39.000 And it's because of these contracts, because of a lot of these cutthroat Uh, individuals why I personally have been independent my entire career.

00:36:47.000 I'm very happy that I've been independent.

00:36:48.000 I'm very happy that I'm able to do what I want.

00:36:50.000 And if I could talk to Crowder, if he's listening, I would say, Hey, your freedom is a lot more valuable than being under any kind of contract or, or, you know, mandatory thing that you have to do.

00:37:00.000 For this show, I volunteer here because I like to do this.

00:37:04.000 But at the same time, I don't want any kind of responsibilities.

00:37:07.000 I don't want any kind of duties.

00:37:08.000 I want to do what I want to do.

00:37:09.000 And having that kind of freedom is more important than anything else.

00:37:12.000 I've been doing this since 2006.

00:37:14.000 I had my own members area for eight years on lucancensor.com.

00:37:17.000 I have a lot of fun doing this.

00:37:19.000 And independent media is supposed to be independent, and I think he has a pathway right now to do a lot of good.

00:37:24.000 I disagree with some of his larger political ideas, but I think what he's dealing with right now is just the reality of the current situation that he's speaking about.

00:37:33.000 So I'm kind of happy that he is speaking up against this and bringing attention to it.

00:37:37.000 I'll put it this way.

00:37:38.000 Luke and I had a conversation a while back about him being a recurring guest or co-host, and ultimately it was like a work exchange doesn't make sense between both of our different companies.

00:37:52.000 And so Luke's like, well, I like coming on the show.

00:37:54.000 And then Luke finds his own way to monetize.

00:37:55.000 And that's okay.

00:37:56.000 You know, you don't got to be here.

00:37:57.000 You can be here if you want to be here.

00:37:58.000 Regarding, it's a mutual agreement, right?

00:38:01.000 It's not, nothing's forced.

00:38:03.000 Nothing is expected.

00:38:04.000 We just do what we do.

00:38:05.000 We love talking to each other.

00:38:07.000 I love being on the show.

00:38:08.000 And it's a fun time.

00:38:10.000 And I, you know, it's a pleasure.

00:38:11.000 And then he leaves abruptly.

00:38:12.000 It's super important.

00:38:13.000 Not abruptly.

00:38:14.000 I give you like at least two weeks and I give you the kind of stat.

00:38:16.000 I'm like, hey, I'm going to be coming here for a few months, then leaving.

00:38:18.000 But we've talked about like Luke being on permanently, but Luke runs his own company.

00:38:22.000 Luke travels, so... And to be honest with you, it's going to be very difficult to, you know, pay me, because, like, I value my time a lot, right?

00:38:31.000 And it's going to be a lot of money to be able to have me not do what I want to do.

00:38:36.000 Exactly.

00:38:36.000 This is a really good point, actually.

00:38:37.000 Luke, you have your own t-shirt company, you have your own show, you have your own website, you have your own business entities.

00:38:43.000 How could I do a contract deal with Luke?

00:38:46.000 Because, like, the thing you gotta understand about employment, when you're an employer, In the space, you work, you own what is produced by the employee.

00:38:56.000 So, like, if you get hired by a music production studio to make music, guess what?

00:39:01.000 Your music is owned by them.

00:39:02.000 If they hire you and say, we're hiring you to write songs, you're not going to go write a song and then be like, oh, but this one's mine, I wrote it later.

00:39:07.000 It's like, no, we hired you to write music, you don't keep it.

00:39:11.000 So, there's no way.

00:39:14.000 We could do something.

00:39:16.000 I can't own Luke's social media.

00:39:17.000 I think the nature of the problem really is that many of these creatives, or these creators, they have an audience, but they're not business people.

00:39:26.000 And I think that's what differentiates some of you guys in this room, actually all of us in this room, is that we have a real entrepreneurial bent that allows us to create that revenue stream that allows us to continue to speak the truth and not be beholden to anybody.

00:39:40.000 Well, I didn't really have this kind of entrepreneurial bent or understanding of business either.

00:39:45.000 You do now!

00:39:46.000 Well, yeah, because I studied, like, Misesian economics.

00:39:48.000 Right.

00:39:49.000 But it's kind of amazing to rise to this level of, like, of notoriety and still, like, especially in speaking in the political realm, still not understand the economics behind it.

00:39:59.000 It's kind of baffling.

00:39:59.000 That's why immediately when I saw it, I thought there's something more nefarious going on.

00:40:03.000 And Tim's just explaining, no, it's just like a numbers issue.

00:40:05.000 Yeah.

00:40:06.000 I don't, I don't, I don't blame the company who made the contract, mostly because I don't know what the fee is.

00:40:11.000 And that's really important.

00:40:12.000 But it changes everything.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, but the contracts, the whole, like, we own your persona, you're in perpetuity forever, henceforth, we own the right to the Stephen Crowder character, they'll be deep faking him and making him say stuff after he's dead, like, you cannot, these are old contracts from 1990s that they're still trying to pigeonhole into modern era what they should be doing assigning tech contracts.

00:40:31.000 Roll that 20-sided.

00:40:33.000 I'm gonna roll 100.

00:40:33.000 No, no, no, I'm saying that, that D. I got a 96.

00:40:36.000 Hell yeah.

00:40:39.000 That D20 with only 20s, that's, you're absolutely right.

00:40:42.000 Well, what they should be doing is signing tech contracts with Crowder so that they do all his back-end stuff.

00:40:47.000 He can keep doing exactly what he likes to do, and they're taking a piece off the top 5%, 8%, 10% after cost, 3% after cost.

00:40:55.000 Not trying to hit a goldmine with the next big up-and-coming, because it used to be that people didn't control their own proliferation of art.

00:41:02.000 You had to go to the network, then they would proliferate it for you.

00:41:04.000 Now you proliferate your own stuff.

00:41:06.000 And we need to treat these artists with that kind of respect.

00:41:09.000 Knowing that.

00:41:10.000 I think part of the reason that not just the culture but the economy has also been taken over and dominated by the left is that we've really lost the competitive edge that I think many in the conservative libertarian sphere once had, where it was like, we're gonna find a way to compete with you.

00:41:25.000 Scumbags like we're going to find a way and and I wish that instead of Looking at these contracts and Crowder kind of framing it as him being a victim of it He were to say I'm going to I'm going to replace you you offer me these terrible deals because if it's if you can do that Then do it.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, you don't need to complain if someone sent me this contract. 0.96

00:41:44.000 I would take a dump on it.

00:41:45.000 I feel like I'm a free human being.

00:41:50.000 I get to do what I want.

00:41:51.000 You want to monetize and control every aspect of my existence? 0.96

00:41:54.000 Hell freaking no!

00:41:55.000 Because I could do a way better job at it myself and no one's going to be controlling me or pulling my strings.

00:42:00.000 That's what he said to me.

00:42:00.000 I sent him a contract and then Luke just got...

00:42:02.000 It's important not to get emotional when you get these weird contracts from ignorance.

00:42:09.000 Don't let your emotions charge up when you get insulting offers.

00:42:12.000 Just stay cool and counter-offer it with more than what you want, even.

00:42:17.000 Give it to them.

00:42:18.000 Give it back.

00:42:19.000 And if they laugh at it, then walk away or renegotiate. 0.64

00:42:22.000 We're not talking about 17-year-old Taylor Swift signing a crappy contract.

00:42:27.000 We're talking about a 30-something-year-old man, or 40, I don't even know how old he is.

00:42:30.000 You're not a victim here.

00:42:32.000 Yeah, you're not a victim here.

00:42:36.000 I think, you know, he's been working with The Blaze for so long, he's not been in this space.

00:42:42.000 It's kind of like, you know, when you're in a relationship for a decade and then you break up or divorce or whatever and you're going back in the dating pool and you're like, whoa, this is crazy.

00:42:49.000 Shark tank.

00:42:50.000 Yeah, like what do they expect of me?

00:42:51.000 Right.

00:42:52.000 So I see this and I'm like, again, the first and most important thing is what's the fee?

00:42:55.000 Because, you know, Luke was mentioning if I got a contract, take a dump on it.

00:42:58.000 But Luke, what if they offered you $200 million?

00:43:02.000 Probably.

00:43:02.000 One year.

00:43:04.000 What's your number, Luke?

00:43:05.000 $200 million, one year.

00:43:06.000 I gotta read the contract.

00:43:08.000 I gotta read all of it.

00:43:09.000 That would be good.

00:43:11.000 But if they're gonna destroy everything I do, I don't want it.

00:43:15.000 They could delete his YouTube account with that contract.

00:43:17.000 You could do unspeakable things to me for $200 million.

00:43:19.000 Unspeakable.

00:43:21.000 What was Kanye's goal?

00:43:23.000 You reach a certain point when you have so much money, it doesn't really matter, right?

00:43:25.000 That's why I don't understand a lot of these kind of sociopaths.

00:43:27.000 I ain't got that kind of money.

00:43:28.000 I don't understand a lot of these sociopaths and billionaires.

00:43:30.000 I was looking at $500 million yachts last night.

00:43:32.000 Yeah, but who cares?

00:43:33.000 I'll tell you, the number is probably like $200,000 per year, and then everything afterwards is confusing.

00:43:40.000 It depends on, for me, I'll tell you my story.

00:43:43.000 You know, everybody knows I grew up on the south side of Chicago, poor family.

00:43:47.000 I remember when I bought Pokemon Red.

00:43:49.000 I worked at my family's coffee shop.

00:43:50.000 We took out loans, put the house as collateral to get it, ended up losing the house when everything fell apart.

00:43:55.000 But I remember working for tips, saving up 30 bucks, and then going buying Pokemon Red.

00:43:59.000 And I was like, wow, that was so hard for me to do.

00:44:02.000 And I knew kids whose parents bought them red and blue, just because it was like, it was only 30 bucks, what do we care?

00:44:08.000 My dad makes six figures.

00:44:08.000 I was like, oh, my dad makes $30,000 a year.

00:44:11.000 So I had to work really hard for that.

00:44:13.000 So for people who grow up, With a really high standard of living, it's hard for them because they're so used to it.

00:44:20.000 I've met a lot of people who were born to families who were, you know, millionaires.

00:44:24.000 And when they're older, they're panicking about not making $500,000 a year because they're like, how do I hang out with my friends?

00:44:29.000 They're flying to Ibiza next week.

00:44:30.000 I got fired from my job and I'm only, I got an offer.

00:44:33.000 It's $125,000.

00:44:33.000 I can't fly to Ibiza on that.

00:44:34.000 I'm laughing like...

00:44:36.000 Never flown to Ibiza.

00:44:37.000 I can't relate to those people, to be honest.

00:44:39.000 Right.

00:44:39.000 Even though I've made money like they have.

00:44:41.000 So what ends up happening is, I worked for Vice.

00:44:44.000 Vice paid me $85,000 to start.

00:44:47.000 Because I said, guys, I don't care about the money.

00:44:49.000 I could probably come in here and tell you, with everything behind me, you've got to pay me a lot of money.

00:44:53.000 You'd probably say yes.

00:44:55.000 I want guarantees.

00:44:56.000 And I laid out the business guarantees that I wanted.

00:44:58.000 And said, if that's what you can give me, Then the money needs to get me an apartment and pay my bills.

00:45:04.000 And they said, okay, $85,000, but we give you these three guarantees.

00:45:08.000 Deal.

00:45:09.000 After a few months, I said, you're falling short on two of the guarantees.

00:45:13.000 That means you're not paying me what we negotiated.

00:45:15.000 The money is ancillary.

00:45:17.000 They said, okay, we're going to get you these things to make it up for you.

00:45:20.000 We'll give you another 15 grand per year.

00:45:22.000 I said, okay, now I'm at a hundred.

00:45:24.000 After about a year and a month or so, I came to them and said, guys, we've had three meetings.

00:45:28.000 I really appreciate everything you've done for me.

00:45:30.000 I quit.

00:45:31.000 And they were like, I can't believe you're quitting.

00:45:33.000 Who quits Vice?

00:45:33.000 Nobody quits Vice.

00:45:34.000 Fusion offered me $250,000 per year for two years plus $200,000 in writing in my hands to take that job.

00:45:43.000 So I sat down with them and they wrote it down.

00:45:47.000 And I laughed and I'm like, they would offer me more money if I asked.

00:45:50.000 Instead, I said, okay, how about this?

00:45:53.000 Instead of paying me more money, I want $300,000 a year in production budget at my discretion and $25,000 in tech at my discretion.

00:45:57.000 And they said, So we don't pay you that.

00:46:02.000 It's just towards what you're making.

00:46:04.000 Yeah.

00:46:05.000 And they're like, OK, deal.

00:46:06.000 Like in their mind, they were thinking like we would have given this guy that money for his pocket.

00:46:10.000 And I'm like, no, no, no.

00:46:11.000 It's easier to negotiate that.

00:46:13.000 I want to make something important.

00:46:15.000 And then for them, they don't lose any money.

00:46:17.000 They were like, but what it does for me is contractually guaranteed me the ability to travel, do whatever I wanted to do without impedance, because I had my own budget.

00:46:26.000 I had a very similar story, by the way, and I don't want to mention names here, but it's someone prominent that I previously looked up to, and I was like, I really want to work for these guys.

00:46:35.000 They're like, what do you want?

00:46:36.000 I'm like, just pay me the minimum.

00:46:37.000 Let me fly around the world.

00:46:38.000 I was broke.

00:46:39.000 I didn't have a job.

00:46:39.000 I just really love to do this.

00:46:41.000 I was like, fly me around the world.

00:46:42.000 I'll cover events.

00:46:43.000 I'll do it for bare minimum.

00:46:45.000 They're like, okay.

00:46:46.000 Is $70,000 okay?

00:46:46.000 I'm like, yeah, sure.

00:46:48.000 I'll risk my life for that.

00:46:49.000 I'll cover riots.

00:46:50.000 I'll get arrested.

00:46:51.000 I don't care.

00:46:52.000 And they're like, okay, fine.

00:46:53.000 I went down there, signed the contract, met the CEO.

00:46:56.000 We signed it together, had a dinner, shook hands.

00:46:59.000 And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to have a job.

00:47:01.000 I packed up my car, was ready to move.

00:47:03.000 This was at the peak of my career during Occupy Wall Street, and I remember just getting the best coverage, and this contract said you can't monetize your own stuff, you can't do everything, and I was getting record views, the most views on my YouTube than ever, doing live streams, interviewing Lupe Fiasco, all these celebrities, and then they stopped taking my phone call, and then they stopped answering my text messages, and then they stopped answering emails, and I contacted one person, a second person, a third person, and they all started ignoring me, and I'm like, what the hell's going on here?

00:47:32.000 And then a couple weeks later, like, oh yeah, sorry, we don't have enough money, which was a lie.

00:47:37.000 You're, uh, too bad.

00:47:38.000 And now I lost out on some of the biggest income that I could have made.

00:47:41.000 I lost out on business opportunities.

00:47:42.000 And I'm like, you know, this is what I get for trying to work with anybody.

00:47:46.000 I'm not going to be working with anybody.

00:47:47.000 I'm going to be independent.

00:47:48.000 I'm going to continue to be independent, even though I'm struggling, even though I'm not getting any money.

00:47:51.000 This is why I created my members area and and LukeUncensored.com, which it is right now.

00:47:56.000 And I made my own way.

00:47:57.000 And I'm a lot happier.

00:47:58.000 And looking back at it, I am so happy I didn't work for that company, because that company had its own legal problems, and more importantly, I have my own thing that I built myself, that I'm super proud of more than ever, and no one could take that away from me.

00:48:12.000 I want to address some of the super chats.

00:48:13.000 They're right.

00:48:14.000 They're saying Crowder's not claiming to be a victim.

00:48:16.000 He's calling out a few things.

00:48:18.000 One, the massive penalties, and that they're based on if you get a strike on YouTube or Apple, they'll dock you fees.

00:48:26.000 Yeah, I can explain that.

00:48:29.000 Again, Crowder's right not to do a contract like this.

00:48:31.000 But imagine I say to you, all right, Tower Gang guys, I've seen how much your podcast makes.

00:48:40.000 Let's do a deal.

00:48:41.000 Right now, you guys make, we're gonna do random magic numbers, because I don't know how much you guys make.

00:48:48.000 So I see that you guys this year made $5 million.

00:48:51.000 Amazing job.

00:48:53.000 Last year you made 4.8.

00:48:56.000 I think that if I sign you and manage the ads on your show, I'll take your workload down by 25% but increase your revenue growth 40% year over year because we have a big network of ads.

00:49:07.000 So here's what I'll do.

00:49:08.000 You got no reason to sign with me unless I pay you more than five million, right?

00:49:12.000 Well, it looks like you're on a trajectory to do 200,000 more this year than last year.

00:49:16.000 I'll make it 500,000.

00:49:16.000 I will guarantee you 5.5 this year and six in the next year for a two-year contract.

00:49:24.000 Guarantee you that money.

00:49:26.000 Okay, now what happens if you go on- Do we have upside though?

00:49:28.000 What?

00:49:29.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:29.000 Okay.

00:49:30.000 And then after that guarantee, you know, we take 10% of your revenue, right?

00:49:34.000 Whatever the deal is.

00:49:37.000 So that way, or it's probably gonna be like 20, because we're doing a guarantee.

00:49:40.000 I'm giving you a growth guarantee, but I'm so confident I can make more money, that after we do this guarantee, I know I'm gonna make that five million, I'm gonna make five million this year off your show, so I'm getting that money back, you're getting guaranteed growth, I'm doing the work to grow it, and then after that growth, you still keep 80% of it.

00:49:57.000 But here's the thing, what if I do this contract with you, and then you go and start ranting about a cabal of people with tiny hats?

00:50:05.000 And then all of a sudden you get banned from every platform.

00:50:07.000 And then I'm like, my guy, I can't pay you money.

00:50:11.000 There's no money to pay you.

00:50:13.000 And you're like, you guaranteed me five, five, five, and then six, pay up.

00:50:17.000 That's, you know, you have to have these in the contract.

00:50:19.000 Otherwise you're basically just burning cash potentially with a, you know, crazy cancel culture world we live in.

00:50:26.000 You have to be prepared for that.

00:50:27.000 You just have to.

00:50:28.000 So I imagine, you know, the deal with Crowder, is they said we're gonna pay you,

00:50:33.000 you know, let's, I don't know the number, but let's say they were like,

00:50:35.000 we'll give you $15 million per year, guaranteed.

00:50:39.000 No matter how much membership you bring in, no matter how many ads you sell,

00:50:43.000 we will take the risk on our end.

00:50:46.000 So here's what I imagine happens.

00:50:47.000 They go to Crowder and they say, I'm looking at your numbers.

00:50:50.000 I'd be willing to bet, because we don't know, because the Blaze has those numbers.

00:50:54.000 But this other company is probably not The Blaze, because he left The Blaze.

00:50:57.000 It might be The Blaze.

00:50:58.000 It might be his contract renewal, for all we know.

00:51:00.000 And a lot of people, I know everybody's saying they think it's The Daily Wire, but there are a lot of companies in this space, and this could be him re-upping his contract and then getting angry, and that's why he left.

00:51:07.000 We don't know.

00:51:07.000 It could be Fox, too.

00:51:09.000 I mean, look how small those letters look.

00:51:12.000 Right.

00:51:12.000 It could say FNC.

00:51:15.000 Fox News Corporation.

00:51:17.000 So, imagine they go to him and say, It looks like you make, based on your numbers, $12 million per year.

00:51:23.000 We'll give you $15 million.

00:51:25.000 That means we're going to risk $3 million of our money that we don't know if we'll get back.

00:51:30.000 That also means if you're willing to accept $3 million more per year that you normally don't get, You have to be responsible in terms of how these platforms operate.

00:51:40.000 That means if Facebook gives you a strike, if YouTube gives you a strike, and you can't make that money, here's what we're going to do.

00:51:46.000 We're going to give you a flat percentage docking on our guarantee.

00:51:49.000 Now, a lot of people think that's a bad thing, but think about this.

00:51:52.000 If you get a strike on, and I do think the contract is bad, by the way, but I'll explain.

00:51:59.000 If you get a strike on YouTube, you guys got a strike, you got two strikes.

00:52:02.000 You can't produce for 90 days.

00:52:03.000 So that's 25%.

00:52:04.000 Yeah, of a year.

00:52:05.000 It's insane.

00:52:07.000 Of the whole year.

00:52:08.000 No money can be generated on these platforms.

00:52:10.000 And they won't even tell me what I said wrong.

00:52:12.000 Well, they might.

00:52:13.000 But let's hope.

00:52:14.000 Somebody says, I'll do a deal with you where I'll guarantee you money, but if you get knocked out for three months, we're not going to pay you that money.

00:52:20.000 Correct.

00:52:21.000 Here's what I think with this contract Steven was offered.

00:52:23.000 The fees?

00:52:24.000 Exorbitant.

00:52:26.000 The response from Crowder?

00:52:28.000 In my opinion, should have been a response with, remove the fees, assume the risk, and we got a deal.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, counter.

00:52:35.000 Yeah.

00:52:37.000 But I think that the issue is, as he points out, he's in a position to say no to this, and younger people aren't.

00:52:43.000 And the fees listed in this contract are ridiculous.

00:52:46.000 Like 25% for a YouTube strike?

00:52:48.000 Like dude, one YouTube strike is two weeks.

00:52:50.000 Not three months.

00:52:51.000 No, it's actually, one strike I think is only one week, and then it's two weeks, and then it's permanent, but it's still, you have to, you reconfigure the entire nature of the show after you receive those strikes, because you have to like, completely reformulate your brain to try and stay safe.

00:53:05.000 But the reason that I framed it as Crowder kind of behaving in a victim mentality, and if he's doing it just to look out for young creators that he doesn't want them to go down this path, God bless.

00:53:15.000 It seemed as if he was putting himself a little bit more in that position.

00:53:19.000 And the reason I bring it up is because when I worked for someone else, I never made more than six figures except for one year in my life.

00:53:25.000 And as soon as I started working for myself for a decade, I made three, four, $500,000.

00:53:30.000 You don't get paid as much as you're worth unless you're willing to take the risk of working for yourself.

00:53:35.000 And that's just a truth.

00:53:37.000 It's just reality.

00:53:38.000 And so many young people, and I'm not saying Crowder's in this camp, but so many people, they don't want to take that risk anymore.

00:53:43.000 They don't want to have all of the pressure, but they still want that golden parachute of working for some corporation that's going to make their life really smooth and easy.

00:53:51.000 That's just not reality.

00:53:52.000 You have to take these risks if you want to get those outsized returns.

00:53:55.000 So if Crowder is making crazy money already, I understand why he would crap on this contract, as you've said, but at the same time, you know, go do it on your own.

00:54:04.000 Take a dump on it, I specifically said, just to clarify.

00:54:06.000 And I was in a very similar position as an independent journalist.

00:54:09.000 I was incurring a lot of risk.

00:54:11.000 I didn't have health insurance.

00:54:12.000 I was getting injured in the field.

00:54:14.000 I was getting arrested, didn't have lawyers, didn't have anyone to bail me out.

00:54:18.000 I had nothing.

00:54:18.000 I was like, I need someone to make sure if I get injured or hurt that I could still pay the medical bills.

00:54:23.000 If I get arrested, there's a lawyer there that's going to bail me out.

00:54:26.000 I had none of that.

00:54:27.000 And that's why I wanted to work with someone.

00:54:28.000 And then, you know, I got screwed over by this one company that really hurt me financially. 0.91

00:54:33.000 And I was like, that's it, screw it. 0.71

00:54:34.000 I just got to do it on my own.

00:54:35.000 And people don't understand, when you make a profit, essentially a lot of people look down on you.

00:54:39.000 Like, oh, you're making a profit?

00:54:40.000 Like, that profit is for insurance.

00:54:43.000 That profit is my retirement.

00:54:44.000 That profit is me getting hurt and injured, seriously, and still being able to eat.

00:54:49.000 Yeah, people don't understand.

00:54:50.000 I need to eat.

00:54:52.000 I need to live.

00:54:53.000 And if there's medical bills that I'm going to have in the future, I'm on those on myself and no one else is.

00:54:57.000 I think this is why I got so angry that I couldn't record today.

00:55:01.000 Like, this morning, I'm sitting here angry.

00:55:03.000 I took ibuprofen because ibuprofen reduces swelling and allows you to talk.

00:55:06.000 That's the only reason I was able to record yesterday, but you can only take so much because it stops the mucus production in your stomach and then you get ulcers.

00:55:12.000 So I'm like, if I don't work, employees don't get paid.

00:55:16.000 Well, now with the direct subscriptions monthly, you can take days off.

00:55:20.000 Exactly.

00:55:20.000 It's a lot easier.

00:55:21.000 This is important too, and thank you for bringing that up.

00:55:24.000 If when we were on the ad model, when we had no memberships, I knew that if I did not work

00:55:30.000 one day, that meant money was gone that goes to employees.

00:55:35.000 Granted, like look, we have healthy profits.

00:55:37.000 So it's basically me just being like, I lose money, I have to pay for it.

00:55:41.000 I don't get a paid time off.

00:55:43.000 I have to eat that and dish it out.

00:55:45.000 With memberships, it's almost like now, you guys are all standing together, holding this place up.

00:55:52.000 So this morning, I'm like, I need to take this morning off and give my voice some time.

00:55:57.000 That's actually what a lot of them want.

00:55:59.000 In the comments, they're like, please rest.

00:56:01.000 We enjoy your content.

00:56:02.000 We need you.

00:56:03.000 See, I totally get it though, because I was an entrepreneur.

00:56:07.000 It pains you, not so much because of what damage it does to you, but because of the vision you have for who you're going to bring on.

00:56:14.000 I know you've brought on Phil from All That Remains, I believe, recently.

00:56:18.000 Phil Labonte.

00:56:18.000 Yeah, Labonte, Josie, The Red-Headed Libertarian, I know she does some outside media work for you guys too, and it's like, these are all things that if you don't continue to grind, you don't get to grow and assist these people and allow them to have a platform.

00:56:31.000 Like, the fact that you bring on smaller shows like ours, Tower Gang or Liberty Lockdown or whoever else, and you do it every day. It's such a huge benefit to our

00:56:41.000 movement. And I know we all have our own little niches and things like that. I'm more

00:56:45.000 the and-capitalist-libertarian variety.

00:56:47.000 You guys have conservatives that come on. But it's a very small world, man. That's the one

00:56:52.000 thing I've noticed as I've traveled around. There are so few outlets for people like us.

00:56:56.000 I'm glad to see that there's competitors that are entering the space. We need a hell of a lot

00:57:00.000 more of it, and God bless them. And if it's Daily Wire or The Blaze or whoever's drafting

00:57:04.000 these contracts, I hope you guys will reflect on the nature of them, and hopefully you'll improve

00:57:08.000 it. Don't prove Kanye right. But...

00:57:13.000 But we do need more people that are willing to engage in this arena.

00:57:17.000 And if you're not willing to take the risk, then just understand that you're not going to get the maximal rewards.

00:57:22.000 I didn't take vacations for over five years.

00:57:25.000 I paid everything out of pocket.

00:57:28.000 And at the end of the day, I had an enormous amount of liability that was laying out there in my loan book that I could have been dragged through court for the rest of my life.

00:57:36.000 And people don't ever look at that side of things.

00:57:39.000 They just go like, well, you You made a lot of money, so you owe civilization, and you're a bad guy.

00:57:44.000 It's not real, man.

00:57:45.000 This is not how it goes.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, I want to clarify, too, because people are super chatting a lot, like, no, Tim, you don't understand.

00:57:49.000 Crowder said this.

00:57:50.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:57:51.000 Look, look, look.

00:57:52.000 Crowder is completely right.

00:57:53.000 I commented.

00:57:54.000 He's right about all of it.

00:57:55.000 The issue is that these companies are operating as these companies have to operate for what they are.

00:58:00.000 And as Ian pointed out, this is like the 90s way of doing things.

00:58:04.000 This doesn't work anymore.

00:58:05.000 In the modern era, Stephen Crowder is the entrepreneur and the personality.

00:58:10.000 He can make there's no need for a network the guys who run these networks like Fox News or whatever.

00:58:16.000 They're not on TV They're not telling you their thoughts.

00:58:18.000 They're not leading the charge in the culture war.

00:58:20.000 They're not producing content.

00:58:21.000 They're managing a business Yeah, well in today's day and age that person's the employee not the boss So right now what happens is someone who should be an employee is offering a contract to Steven Crowder.

00:58:31.000 Steven Crowder should be the boss.

00:58:32.000 Exactly.

00:58:32.000 Steven Crowder is supposed to be the one to be like, look, look, I'm the captain of this ship.

00:58:35.000 It's inverted.

00:58:36.000 Exactly.

00:58:36.000 And that's the problem with the system.

00:58:38.000 It's been that way for a long time.

00:58:39.000 Now, that being said, there are going to be a lot of people who do not have what it takes to run a business.

00:58:45.000 Because this is what I was trying to get to.

00:58:46.000 When I was mentioning earlier about how it would be so much easier just to get rid of everything and just do my own YouTube channels, it is extremely hard to run and manage and maintain all this stuff.

00:58:56.000 Oh yeah, man.

00:58:57.000 I can't even imagine. 0.95

00:58:59.000 And the value in it is I don't want to leave this world with a bunch of crackpot psychotic cultists of a non-theistic religion controlling things. 0.98

00:59:08.000 And it all started for me because I'm like, I really hate liars. 0.87

00:59:12.000 When I was starting this, I was like, I want to travel and tell people what I'm seeing, do new stuff.

00:59:17.000 And then all of a sudden they lied about everything I did, Sweden.

00:59:19.000 And then I'm like, okay, I'm going to call you out for lying.

00:59:21.000 And then that's like a big component of it. 0.97

00:59:23.000 These people are evil. 0.98

00:59:24.000 They lie every day. 0.99

00:59:26.000 Look what they did to Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:59:27.000 Just like, I mean, they've still negatively impacted this kid's life.

00:59:31.000 They tried to destroy it.

00:59:33.000 So that's what it's all about.

00:59:35.000 And that means we're entering an interesting space.

00:59:37.000 There is infinitely more power in ESG businesses like Disney than in, say, like, The Daily Wire.

00:59:44.000 Now you're speaking my language.

00:59:45.000 But this is the challenge.

00:59:47.000 How do you compete?

00:59:48.000 Like, The Daily Wire's got to make money.

00:59:50.000 Yeah.

00:59:50.000 Disney doesn't.

00:59:51.000 Facts.

00:59:52.000 And the reason they don't is because of their relationship to the government and the World Economic Forum and all of the... Go ahead.

00:59:59.000 You're mostly right.

01:00:00.000 I was just going to say also that They own so much IP that the average person will just pay the 10 bucks because they're like, I can watch Flubber.

01:00:08.000 Yeah, well, and I think that the audience is not going to like this, but at the end of the day, we do need to, as consumers of this media, the people that want to see something different in the world that isn't, you know, perverted and messing up our children.

01:00:23.000 You need to put your money where your mouth is.

01:00:25.000 You can't just continue to consume free content.

01:00:27.000 This is why we have to diversify.

01:00:30.000 We're on Rumbles, of course.

01:00:31.000 LibertyLockdown.Locals.com as well for people that want to support the show so that I can actually tell the truth.

01:00:36.000 If I can get enough people that are doing that, then I don't have to worry about deplatforming and things like that.

01:00:42.000 But the ESG factor in this is such a big deal.

01:00:46.000 It drives me crazy because ultimately it's becoming a partisan issue where you have red state governors that are really engaging in this, and God bless them, we need it.

01:00:54.000 But at the same time, I wish it weren't partisan in nature.

01:00:56.000 I wish we understood that having a monolithic, globalist perspective on how to utilize and manipulate capital markets to try and reimagine the world in your image, well, you're not always going to be in charge.

01:01:10.000 Just the same concept of like, do you want Donald Trump to have these powers?

01:01:15.000 No, you don't.

01:01:15.000 Well, then maybe it's not okay when Biden does it.

01:01:19.000 Same concept with ESG.

01:01:21.000 Yes, right now it is being utilized to propagate a very neoliberal world order.

01:01:29.000 Well, what if that dynamic changes?

01:01:30.000 Because it inevitably will.

01:01:32.000 Maybe it'll be a hundred years, but it's going to change at some point.

01:01:34.000 Do we want big business to be Reimagining our civilization.

01:01:41.000 The answer, to me, is clearly no.

01:01:43.000 Particularly when it's nameless, faceless bankers that are primarily responsible for this stuff.

01:01:49.000 Or if they are known, they're at Davos with 500 security guards. 0.99

01:01:54.000 And hookers. 1.00

01:01:55.000 5,000 was it? 0.99

01:01:55.000 5,000. 0.99

01:01:55.000 And hookers. 0.99

01:01:56.000 5,000 soldiers that were given police power for coercion. 0.72

01:02:01.000 If you need 5,000 soldiers to protect yourself, you're doing something wrong.

01:02:05.000 You're doing something wrong.

01:02:08.000 I'm not at all wanting them to be threatened or injured at all, but there's a reason that people are so concerned about your You're trying to manipulate and coerce the entire world—we're talking 8 billion people—that you want all to live in this particular worldview, where carbon emissions are such a danger, where the thing that I exhale makes me a danger to every man, woman, and child on earth.

01:02:33.000 It's a very anti-human perspective, and ultimately it's anti-capitalist.

01:02:37.000 This is one other talking point that I have to get across, is that This is not capitalism that we're dealing with.

01:02:42.000 And when people talk about it as if it is, it drives me absolutely insane.

01:02:46.000 This is a fascistic model.

01:02:49.000 Crystal clear fascistic model.

01:02:51.000 And you can't then hold that up and say, look at all of these evil things that are happening in our world.

01:02:56.000 This is why we have to go towards socialism.

01:02:58.000 We're basically down that path already.

01:03:00.000 You know the big challenges?

01:03:02.000 These ESG companies.

01:03:04.000 ESG is the prerequisite for financial investment.

01:03:04.000 Yes.

01:03:07.000 Yes.

01:03:08.000 So in West Virginia, these fossil fuel companies, coal or whatever, are like,

01:03:12.000 hey, we need a loan of $5 million to expand our operation, hire more employees.

01:03:17.000 And they go, no.

01:03:18.000 And then someone comes out and says, we want to do drag queen story.

01:03:21.000 And they're like, oh, how much do you need for that?

01:03:22.000 And you know where that money comes from?

01:03:25.000 Federal Reserve.

01:03:26.000 How do you compete with an industry that can print infinite money for itself?

01:03:29.000 Doesn't that mean abolish the Federal Reserve?

01:03:31.000 Doesn't that make this whole thing?

01:03:33.000 It's harder, and that means we need all of these companies that are in the independent and anti-establishment space to be operating on the exact same capacity.

01:03:43.000 Don't hire woke people.

01:03:45.000 Hire people who believe in freedom.

01:03:47.000 Empower people who believe in freedom.

01:03:49.000 So this is the point of- And if you're a consumer of that media, support people that are providing that media.

01:03:55.000 You really have to.

01:03:56.000 If you want to see that, you have to actually contribute.

01:03:59.000 So this is basically everything that we do here and why we do it.

01:04:03.000 Why do we hire the people we hire?

01:04:05.000 Because their job is to be a positive influence on the world.

01:04:08.000 And that's more important than the revenue.

01:04:11.000 We're an ideological company in a sense.

01:04:15.000 Big time.

01:04:16.000 Tim Cass makes money.

01:04:17.000 The other shows make money, but Tim Cass makes the overwhelming majority of it, and then that money is the resource that we use to have people make cool and good and positive things.

01:04:27.000 I love it.

01:04:28.000 We need a hell of a lot more of it.

01:04:30.000 I was just gonna comment on like how absurd it is when you really think about, like this whole thing is over fake money and the message that it's, the division that it'll cause in the conservative movement, which I'm not a conservative so whatever, but it's just interesting to see them kind of squabble over this and it's all just fake money in the end of the day.

01:04:48.000 Yeah, the Federal Reserve prints it out of thin air.

01:04:51.000 It's going to be worthless anyway soon.

01:04:53.000 Crowder, you don't need to worry about this.

01:04:55.000 Don't worry.

01:04:55.000 It's all going to be devalued.

01:04:57.000 At the end of the day, what are you going to have?

01:04:59.000 Your experiences, your own company, what you built yourself.

01:05:02.000 Don't let anyone else build anything for you.

01:05:05.000 But this is, again, my strategy.

01:05:06.000 People are built different.

01:05:07.000 This is just who I am after being through a lot of rough, crazy situations in my life dealing with other businesses.

01:05:14.000 Who knows?

01:05:15.000 Maybe he'll strive more and be better under a contract.

01:05:17.000 For me personally, there's a road to take.

01:05:19.000 I'm taking that road.

01:05:20.000 I just think it's so important that we encourage people that share our value system and have

01:05:25.000 the drive that we do in this room to actually follow that passion and follow that path.

01:05:30.000 Because there's just been such a dearth of entrepreneurial spirit, and I get it.

01:05:35.000 I get it.

01:05:36.000 It's so stacked against you, especially if you're a young college graduate, and you're coming out and you're like, you understand ESG, which obviously makes you a very rare 23-year-old or whatever, but say you do understand it.

01:05:48.000 You know what an uphill slog that's going to be.

01:05:50.000 You're going to try and compete head-to-head with the biggest businesses that have ever existed in human history, and at the end of the day, they have a A sweetheart deal with all of the biggest governments on earth?

01:06:02.000 Oh, on top of that, they have a sweetheart deal with the central banks of the world?

01:06:06.000 Where they can just buy fiat, create debt and credit?

01:06:09.000 Like, I get it.

01:06:11.000 But, it doesn't matter.

01:06:12.000 We have to compete.

01:06:14.000 We have to try.

01:06:15.000 If we just acquiesce, and we, we were talking about the black pill earlier, right?

01:06:19.000 If we give up, It's over.

01:06:19.000 That's true, yeah.

01:06:22.000 We can't give up.

01:06:23.000 We have to try.

01:06:24.000 One thing you mentioned earlier, Tim, is that, wondering, like, is everyone cut out to run a company, or a business, or something like that along those lines?

01:06:31.000 No.

01:06:32.000 The answer is no.

01:06:32.000 No, they're not.

01:06:33.000 And there's a difference that's important to keep in mind between a business and a company.

01:06:37.000 A company is a type of business that involves two or more people, which is why it is com-penny, with people.

01:06:45.000 Com-penny.

01:06:46.000 Companion, you know?

01:06:48.000 You can have a business as a sole proprietor.

01:06:50.000 As soon as you start hiring people or bringing other people on, you become a company, and at that point, do you want to run a company?

01:06:56.000 Do you want to be involved with other people's day-to-day activity?

01:06:58.000 Do you want to be taking meetings?

01:06:59.000 Do you want to be intricately responsible for these people's behavior?

01:07:03.000 That's the question.

01:07:05.000 It's like an art form.

01:07:07.000 We've been offered deals by all the big players in the space.

01:07:13.000 And all the deals were bad.

01:07:15.000 And I'm just like, man, I don't know what these companies are doing.

01:07:19.000 We could write a cool tech deal.

01:07:21.000 Not that we don't do tech at Timcast, but we could.

01:07:24.000 The tech you're talking about, is this like an NFT contract?

01:07:26.000 Can you explain that?

01:07:27.000 No, I would do like, we would set up hosting or navigate to some sort of hosting like on Rumble, build like a front end and make sure that if there's bugs that we have developers that are fixing the bugs on the fly 24-7.

01:07:42.000 And so we would technically help you host your own content and provide your subscribers a direct revenue to you.

01:07:51.000 And then we could technically take money off the top if we wanted to.

01:07:55.000 I'm building a charity right now that's building this software, so ultimately it'll be free for everyone to use and I'm not taking anything for it.

01:08:00.000 All of these companies call me non-stop, like whenever there's drama.

01:08:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:07.000 There's a lot that I won't talk about because I don't think it changes the political landscape.

01:08:12.000 If it did, I would come out and just be like, sorry guys.

01:08:15.000 But there's private stuff and I always try to avoid things that I think might hurt.

01:08:19.000 It's standard journalistic ethic.

01:08:21.000 It's minimize harm.

01:08:22.000 But I'll tell you, I've talked with Blaze for years.

01:08:26.000 I've said no every time.

01:08:30.000 I've talked with The Daily Wire.

01:08:31.000 I've talked with Rumble.

01:08:33.000 There's a couple other companies that we've negotiated with and some we've done deals with.

01:08:38.000 And I just say no to all of them.

01:08:40.000 And I think one of the things these companies don't get is where we are in the modern landscape.

01:08:46.000 I think they're hoping I think they're hoping that someone like me is a guy who just wants to sit in the room and go on camera and then go play ball with his kid or future kid or something like that or dog or whatever.

01:08:58.000 That's what they're trying to sell you on.

01:09:00.000 Yeah, and they do.

01:09:01.000 They all say the same thing, like, you shouldn't be worrying about this stuff, man.

01:09:04.000 Exactly.

01:09:05.000 You know, like, let us take care of the heavy lifting, and I'm just like, you know what's gonna happen?

01:09:10.000 I'll tell you what's gonna happen, and I say this to every single person I've ever talked to in any company.

01:09:14.000 And I learned my lesson with Fusion.

01:09:15.000 But I got paid, and I used that money to invest and build this.

01:09:18.000 I'm like, We're going to start.

01:09:19.000 We're going to be excited.

01:09:20.000 We're going to get the ball rolling.

01:09:22.000 Six months in, I'm going to come to you and say, problem X is solved by Y. And you're going to say, OK, well, I don't have time to deal with this, so I'm going to take care of it.

01:09:28.000 And I say, no, it's a problem in my life that needs to be solved now for the show.

01:09:32.000 And if I don't have the authority to do it, then I'm going to be in a very bad mood.

01:09:35.000 And then you're not going to be able to.

01:09:37.000 So there's no point in doing these contracts.

01:09:39.000 That and, yeah, I think these companies, they're archaic.

01:09:44.000 They can sit down and explain to you exactly why.

01:09:47.000 Like I mentioned, like why they do the penalty deal with Crowder's contract and then Crowder's appropriate responses.

01:09:52.000 That's insane.

01:09:53.000 It wasn't insane 20 years ago.

01:09:54.000 It wasn't insane 30 years ago, but it is now when Crowder is the captain of the ship and he should be the one running it and they should be working for him.

01:10:01.000 Let me add one thing because I probably black pulled a lot of people by it. 0.96

01:10:06.000 Demonstrating how challenging it is going to be to compete and succeed in this space.

01:10:09.000 However, because of the monopolistic power, or at least oligopolistic power that these operators have, they don't face a lot of real competition.

01:10:20.000 So when there is genuine competition, and also they're very bureaucratic, they're very slow moving, they become very comfortable, overly confident, that is all areas of opportunity for Entrepreneurs to try and rise up.

01:10:34.000 There's enormous market demand for honest dialogue Your success has been very clearly proof of that So there is market demand, but there is also captured markets that make it very challenging to enter and compete in that space But it doesn't mean that we can't create competing avenues and platforms I don't I pray to God that rumble because it does seem to be like they're they're the real deal so far I pray to God that them locals These competitions actually rise up and they create an opportunity for that market demand to be met, because there is a demand, and entrepreneurs should realize that.

01:11:08.000 I've had private conversations with several big YouTube channels.

01:11:11.000 Many of these big channels have contacted me and said, look, these contracts are really bad.

01:11:17.000 What do we do?

01:11:18.000 We should form a network, blah, blah, blah.

01:11:20.000 And I say, no.

01:11:21.000 Every time.

01:11:22.000 What you're asking is impossible.

01:11:23.000 The network model won't work.

01:11:25.000 So here's an idea that's been floated around by a bunch of people you know and love behind the scenes, so I'll leave nameless because it's their business, but I'll tell you about my experience.

01:11:33.000 I get phone calls, we do group calls, and they're like, we need to compete, we need to change the game, how can we do it?

01:11:38.000 Let's create a network.

01:11:40.000 Let's create a single destination for all these big creators.

01:11:43.000 And then we'll figure out a way to split the revenue.

01:11:45.000 And I say, okay, how do you split the revenue?

01:11:48.000 We can do it by, when someone signs up, they can write down the name of someone.

01:11:52.000 What if they write down nothing?

01:11:53.000 What if they sign up as a general member?

01:11:54.000 Where does that money go?

01:11:55.000 Well, we split it evenly.

01:11:56.000 Is that fair?

01:11:57.000 What if I'm getting $60 million per month and you're getting $500,000?

01:11:59.000 I'm giving you half the money that comes in?

01:12:01.000 Sure.

01:12:02.000 That's not fair to me.

01:12:03.000 Why would I do that?

01:12:04.000 What if you're getting $100 million and I'm getting $50 million?

01:12:06.000 I get half your money?

01:12:07.000 That makes sense.

01:12:08.000 I'm making a third of the revenue.

01:12:10.000 So I've had these conversations over and over again because everybody wants to coalesce and use this network.

01:12:15.000 The idea is there is an individual out there who's like, man, I love Tim Kast.

01:12:20.000 And then he goes, man, I love Crowder.

01:12:22.000 I'm not going to spend 10 bucks for either of them.

01:12:25.000 Wait a minute, they're bundled together and 10 bucks gets me both?

01:12:28.000 Now I'll do it.

01:12:29.000 That's what these people think will happen.

01:12:31.000 But what ends up happening is someone like Crowder, with 6 million followers, will get half a million people to watch on election night.

01:12:38.000 He'll get 50,000 people to sign up instantly.

01:12:41.000 And then, good luck sorting who signed up for who and how much everyone deserves.

01:12:45.000 You might be able to set it up so you have to toggle who you're signing up for in order to sign up.

01:12:50.000 Or everyone has their own unique links and websites, but it goes to the same centralized thing.

01:12:55.000 So Crowder has Mug Club.

01:12:57.000 It's called Bubbles.

01:12:58.000 Yeah.

01:12:59.000 But they all go to the same place and they all get everything in a bundle.

01:13:04.000 Well, so that means I'm giving my content away for free and someone's giving ten bucks to you.

01:13:07.000 You give a small percentage, right?

01:13:09.000 How do you determine the percentage?

01:13:11.000 You could do it by viewership.

01:13:12.000 Who gets the percentage of viewership?

01:13:13.000 It's going to be complicated.

01:13:14.000 It's not easy.

01:13:15.000 I'm not saying I have the solution.

01:13:16.000 I'm just spitballing here.

01:13:18.000 It's impossible.

01:13:18.000 I don't know, because if I was signing up, say it's you and Steve Crowder are splitting it, I sign up and I have to pick you or Steve in order to sign up, so you have that data, and then if there's a smart contract behind the scenes where, this is futuristic, but if the money is split automatically, 72% to you, 28% to Steven, based on the subscriber data, that might work.

01:13:42.000 You know what'll happen?

01:13:44.000 Let's say Bob, Jim and Jill do this deal.

01:13:48.000 Bob's got a million, Jim's got 500,000, Jill's got 5 million.

01:13:52.000 She's a very attractive podcaster. 1.00

01:13:55.000 Everybody wants to follow her.

01:13:56.000 And then the money comes in and then you've got this big jumbled mass of numbers.

01:14:02.000 763,896 the first week, 432,896 the second week.

01:14:03.000 You got 13% signed up for Jill, 7% said Bob, 12% said Jim or whatever name, I don't remember the name I used.

01:14:07.000 And then one day someone goes in and says, hold on man, I only got paid $300,000 a month.

01:14:09.000 Normally we do 500, what happened?

01:14:11.000 Well, let's look at the numbers.

01:14:13.000 No, no, that can't be right.

01:14:14.000 said, you know, Jim or whatever name I remember the name I used. And then one day someone

01:14:18.000 goes in and says, yeah, hold on, man. I only got paid $300,000 a month. Normally we do

01:14:23.000 500. What happened? Well, let's look at the numbers. No, no, that can't be right. How

01:14:27.000 are you getting more money than me? This is everybody fights. Everybody yells.

01:14:30.000 It's not going to work.

01:14:32.000 It does sound like an optimal situation for a smart contract system to be developed where you could automate the payments based on the math behind the scenes.

01:14:40.000 Everything's on a blockchain or open source, so if you have questions, you just take it up with the math.

01:14:44.000 That'd have to be a really smart contract.

01:14:46.000 Multiple smart contracts.

01:14:48.000 The question is, TimCast.com is wholly independent with no investors.

01:14:53.000 With no outside financing, just customers and advertisers.

01:14:59.000 The advertisers are almost entirely programmatic, meaning we have very, very few direct sponsors.

01:15:04.000 I think we have like eight or ten.

01:15:07.000 It changes with the podcast audio version.

01:15:09.000 Obviously you guys know we do Virtual Shield, Biotrust, like that's basically the only two sponsors we have.

01:15:14.000 Then periodically we do Pepper Speak stuff.

01:15:16.000 And then for the podcast version, we have a handful.

01:15:19.000 It's like, you know, Bambi and like, you know, things like that.

01:15:22.000 Hartford Gold.

01:15:23.000 There's like five or six.

01:15:25.000 And that, so almost all of it's programmatic.

01:15:28.000 Why would I Create any kind of mud in this company's revenue stream by doing a partnership deal in the hopes that I can increase revenue by a certain percentage by teaming up with someone like Steven Crowder.

01:15:42.000 I think you'd only be able to bring in someone of comparable clout.

01:15:47.000 I hate to use that term, but you know, someone lesser.

01:15:50.000 Oh, interesting.

01:15:50.000 Why?

01:15:51.000 Somewhat of comparable clout.

01:15:52.000 I mean, we're looking at two people who have comparable amounts of revenue who are now going to argue about the gains and which direction it goes.

01:15:58.000 That's true.

01:15:58.000 But I mean, there is there is strength in in networking.

01:16:02.000 I just think you're right, though, that obviously a formal network creates infighting and jealousy and competition, especially if you have two alphas that are like on the on the rise anyway and waiting for their money.

01:16:13.000 This system only makes sense to the businessman whose sole job is to maintain it.

01:16:19.000 For Stephen Crowder and for me, there is zero reason for either of us to do a network deal.

01:16:26.000 Because at the end of the day, Stephen can pick up his phone and talk to his phone with no crew, with no employees, and he makes money.

01:16:34.000 Same thing for me, because we are the people creating the content.

01:16:38.000 So the people you'll hear advocate for these deals are the people who do nothing but these deals.

01:16:45.000 That's it.

01:16:46.000 They're like, if I can bring all these guys together, I'm going to make money off the top.

01:16:51.000 Well, you could do you and Steven together $14 a month.

01:16:54.000 So already you're making $7 instead of $10.

01:16:56.000 You're going to take a hit.

01:16:57.000 But then the idea would be you'd get more, like 40% of a $10,000 multiple is better than 100% of a 1x multiple.

01:17:03.000 You can't predict it.

01:17:04.000 It's unpredictable, that's true.

01:17:06.000 This is also a cultural issue.

01:17:10.000 Where people, they want what's expedient and not what's meaningful.

01:17:13.000 So like, if you get deleted off of Twitter, you don't exist to me.

01:17:17.000 And that's just the way it is.

01:17:19.000 I've seen it a thousand times.

01:17:21.000 And I think, you know, it's good that this discussion is out there right now because people need to start to open up their mind to what's actually going on here.

01:17:29.000 Like you said, we need to support these creators.

01:17:31.000 If it's $10 a month, I like Crowder.

01:17:32.000 If it's $10 a month, I like Tim Cass.

01:17:34.000 Let's do both.

01:17:35.000 I'm not gonna spend $10 elsewhere.

01:17:37.000 This needs to be out there more.

01:17:39.000 The devastating part about it is, like, even though I have a pretty passionate fan base, I get nuked from YouTube for a couple weeks, I start a Rumble channel up, you still see, like, even though I have one-tenth the subscribership over on Rumble, my viewership is only cut in half.

01:17:54.000 So, like, a lot of my people are still rocking with me, even though, you know, subscriber limit is way reduced.

01:18:00.000 But it's just, it's interesting how Platform-captured people are.

01:18:05.000 Make an audio podcast.

01:18:07.000 I have two YouTube channels.

01:18:08.000 Yes, I do.

01:18:09.000 I have two YouTube channels.

01:18:10.000 One of them I stopped using in 2008.

01:18:11.000 It was called CrossMac and I was like, I don't like that people are calling me CrossMac to my face.

01:18:15.000 I want to be branded Ian Crossland.

01:18:17.000 So I made a new channel.

01:18:18.000 People still comment on CrossMac that I, like, oh my god, you still make videos!

01:18:22.000 Like, I'll make a new video every once in a while on CrossMac.

01:18:24.000 Not only are they siloed on a platform, they're siloed on channels.

01:18:27.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:18:28.000 That's so true.

01:18:29.000 So we could break that with a multi-network system too.

01:18:31.000 That would be great.

01:18:32.000 You wanna know the worst thing in the world is YouTube is like one of the worst platforms.

01:18:38.000 Let me do some math real quick.

01:18:40.000 I think on Apple, Spotify, and the audio platforms, You will make... Let me do some quick math here.

01:18:49.000 What do we get?

01:18:53.000 I think you'll make, like, five times as much money off ads.

01:18:57.000 Or maybe it's way more than that.

01:18:59.000 Oh, it's big?

01:19:00.000 Are you saying versus video?

01:19:01.000 Versus YouTube.

01:19:02.000 Oh, dude, it's huge. 0.89

01:19:03.000 Like, for whatever reason, YouTube ad revenue is gutter trash.

01:19:06.000 Yes.

01:19:07.000 If you can get... 25 per thousand CPM is kind of standard on audio.

01:19:13.000 Like, that's... 300,000 views, downloads on a podcast, on a daily show, you're going to be making... 0.94

01:19:22.000 Holy crap. 0.74

01:19:23.000 You're talking $7,500? 0.99

01:19:25.000 $7,500 per ad?

01:19:27.000 Yep.

01:19:27.000 It declines as the ad goes on.

01:19:30.000 But you've got to be making like $10 million per year if you're at those numbers.

01:19:34.000 Easy.

01:19:35.000 And this is what?

01:19:36.000 On YouTube, if you're getting 300,000, you're getting 300,000 views will get you $1,000.

01:19:38.000 So you'll make $300,000 per year on YouTube with the same amount of traffic.

01:19:45.000 Depending on your channel, too, because my channel, compared to other channels, is getting 30 times less than what channels are supposed to be getting.

01:19:53.000 Or 3?

01:19:53.000 30?

01:19:53.000 10 to sometimes 30.

01:19:57.000 Wow.

01:19:58.000 But I confirm 10.

01:19:59.000 I think that might be an ethics violation.

01:20:02.000 It's just a special thing.

01:20:04.000 We should not be playing favorites about who gets more money. 0.98

01:20:07.000 That's social justice crap. 0.99

01:20:09.000 Well, YouTube justifies it by saying, this channel's a little bit too spicy and not advertiser-friendly. 0.97

01:20:13.000 This channel is advertiser-friendly, and that's how they kind of justify it.

01:20:16.000 My counter to that is let the advertisers speak for themselves.

01:20:19.000 Exactly, let the advertisers speak.

01:20:21.000 Even though there's not a big difference between the two content, YouTube still deems like, hey, this is not good, this is good, this is what we like.

01:20:27.000 After we just got done bad-mouthing networks and saying how unfeasible all of this is for the past hour and a half, I gotta say that Our boys, Dave Smith and Luis J. Gomez, Gas Digital.

01:20:39.000 They have signed Tower Gang to Gas Digital.

01:20:42.000 I just wanted to shout out.

01:20:43.000 Luis, you're like a brother to me.

01:20:45.000 Thank you so much for bringing us on board.

01:20:46.000 Yeah, we call him Luis the Peach.

01:20:47.000 Your contract looks a little bit like that, and I'd like you to work on it.

01:20:51.000 But other than that, we appreciate you putting your love and faith in us.

01:20:54.000 Tell me about Gas Digital real quick.

01:20:56.000 GasDigital is basically largely a comedy platform, and Tower Gang being our more comedy, deranged, lunatic outlet, we knew we weren't long for YouTube, so we had to find a platform that would take care of us in terms of just allowing us to, you know, say insane humor wherever it leads us, and GasDigital is uncensored.

01:21:14.000 GasDigitalNetwork.com?

01:21:15.000 Yep, you got it.

01:21:16.000 So, you know, thinking about The Daily Wire, for instance, because they've signed a whole bunch of people, you know, they keep adding new, new talent.

01:21:24.000 My view when I look at this stuff is like, maybe it's just me, I personally cannot relate to the desire wholly to sign a deal with another company and have them take everything over.

01:21:36.000 To be fair, I completely understand the thought of like, man, imagine if you could make some amount of money, and then you didn't have to think about any of the business end stuff, and you can just do your show and then mind your own business.

01:21:47.000 But I've been down that rabbit hole.

01:21:50.000 Well, it's that, but it's also the success and the resources that you now have at your disposal that so few creators have.

01:21:50.000 I know where that goes.

01:21:58.000 Especially if you're starting out early on, you're trying to make ends meet.

01:22:02.000 So if you have a network that comes to you and they say, I see talent here, I'm going to guarantee you a living wage, as Bernie Sanders might say.

01:22:09.000 They're going to jump at it.

01:22:11.000 You know, what's really funny is that seeing this story from Crowder, this is the identical story to the record label stories 20, 30 years ago.

01:22:19.000 I was just thinking that, yeah.

01:22:20.000 But I also kind of see it as, I think, as a Benjamin Franklin quote where he says, don't trade liberty for security, you'll get neither.

01:22:29.000 This is kind of what's going on here.

01:22:31.000 I mean, we did it with COVID.

01:22:33.000 We do it all the time.

01:22:34.000 There are people who only wanna make music, and they're never gonna monetize that music, and you gotta find somebody who can.

01:22:40.000 But you know what I think?

01:22:42.000 My view of this whole thing is like, dude, if you're a personality of any size, hire a manager.

01:22:50.000 And I'm talking about an employee who works for you.

01:22:54.000 And they do what you tell them to do or they're fired.

01:22:56.000 Don't sign a contract with another guy that makes you the employee or the quote-unquote contractor.

01:23:02.000 The only reason I consider gas is because, you know, as I've already explained, I am financially free.

01:23:06.000 I didn't need to go that route, but I don't want to create a network and a platform that allows for uncensored conversation.

01:23:13.000 It's such a huge swing.

01:23:15.000 Also, his network is filled with the most hardcore, insane comics on earth.

01:23:20.000 I wanted to be in that world because I'm not a comedian.

01:23:22.000 So it made a perfect fit for us.

01:23:25.000 But at the end of the day, you're absolutely right.

01:23:27.000 If you can, if you have the willpower and the work ethic, it will benefit and behoove you to go that route.

01:23:33.000 I'll tell you exactly why Tim Cass is independent.

01:23:36.000 Because like I said, we've talked with The Blaze, we've talked with Rumble, we've talked with The Daily Wire, we've talked with a bunch of companies, and I'm friends with all of them.

01:23:44.000 Don't agree with me on everything, of course.

01:23:47.000 Nobody owes me anything.

01:23:48.000 You know, I'm not going to come out and be like, oh, this company came and offered me this.

01:23:51.000 I'm like, well, they didn't owe me anything.

01:23:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:53.000 But here's the problem. 0.99

01:23:56.000 If I sign a deal with one of these companies, what if I wanna get a billboard on Sunset Strip that says Liz Cheney's a fat pig? 1.00

01:24:01.000 That'd be awesome. 0.98

01:24:02.000 And they're gonna tell me no.

01:24:04.000 They're gonna be like, you gotta understand.

01:24:05.000 And I'm gonna be like, I don't understand anything, dude.

01:24:07.000 I work for myself.

01:24:09.000 I can take out a 95 foot tall billboard in Times Square with my rooster on it.

01:24:13.000 I work for you, I gotta go through your legal team.

01:24:15.000 And they're gonna tell me no.

01:24:17.000 And that's just not worth it.

01:24:18.000 Especially if one of the goals of your company is impact investment, like you said earlier, like changing the world.

01:24:23.000 A lot of corporations are just profit, profit, profit.

01:24:26.000 If it's not profitable, it's not happening.

01:24:27.000 And you gotta watch out for that.

01:24:28.000 I can imagine Chicken City's very profitable these days, right Tim?

01:24:32.000 It was initially.

01:24:33.000 I mean the eggs.

01:24:34.000 Oh my gosh, they're like a buck apiece!

01:24:37.000 Chicken eggs. Yo, I told you guys I gave some to my personal trainer. I'm so happy. Thank you so much

01:24:43.000 We just crack those and drink on the problem. I've been hobbling eggs for like two years

01:24:47.000 Moonshot, baby I'll tell you guys some stuff

01:24:51.000 I think there's been two instances where I've reached out to YouTube before a show

01:24:55.000 To give them give them a warning and ask for their perspective

01:24:59.000 One was Alex Jones. That was obvious. I can't remember the other one

01:25:02.000 But I emailed like, heads up, Alex Jones will be coming on the show, it was the first time.

01:25:07.000 And they said there's no issues, nothing on our end for us to note on.

01:25:11.000 I said, okay, well, you know, fair warning, it's happening.

01:25:14.000 And they gave us a strike.

01:25:16.000 And I immediately contacted them and said, for what reason?

01:25:18.000 They gave us a BS reason.

01:25:19.000 I said, BS, that's not true, blah, blah, blah.

01:25:22.000 They said, we don't care.

01:25:23.000 I said, how about the portion you can test?

01:25:25.000 We just snipped from the show and everything's fine.

01:25:27.000 And they said, no.

01:25:28.000 And then I'm like, you're playing dirty games, man.

01:25:30.000 So you know what I did?

01:25:31.000 I called up Michael Malice and Alex Jones and said, when's the soonest you can come back on the show?

01:25:34.000 We're doing it again.

01:25:35.000 Hell yeah.

01:25:36.000 You sign a deal with one of these companies, you can't do that.

01:25:39.000 Like I'm not an unreasonable guy, but I'm not a fan of censorship.

01:25:42.000 I know that YouTube is trying to run a business.

01:25:44.000 I don't trust them.

01:25:45.000 I think they're an ESG company.

01:25:47.000 But I also know that when you want to win a battle, you win first, you know, since you

01:25:52.000 win first, then you go to war.

01:25:54.000 Ambushing YouTube, it's just like when they tell me on paper, you're good, that's legal

01:26:02.000 weaponry.

01:26:03.000 I can then be like, we had, they were, you know, they said to me, I abided by the terms.

01:26:09.000 It gives me legal grounds.

01:26:10.000 Well, this is why they won't even tell me why they struck me.

01:26:12.000 And it's also why they don't give us strikes.

01:26:14.000 They don't want that to be in writing.

01:26:16.000 They don't want to give me a timestamp because then I can actually counter it and say, well, is this dangerous conspiracy theorizing?

01:26:22.000 Yes.

01:26:23.000 And it's also, I think there's a couple of reasons, you know, Matt Gaetz asked us on Friday, how come we're still here?

01:26:28.000 And I'm like, you know, I got a variety of reasons.

01:26:30.000 One of them is I think YouTube, for one, they're probably watching.

01:26:33.000 I know a bunch of the employees watch all the time.

01:26:35.000 We consistently have the most viewed live show for the night in this time slot and in general.

01:26:41.000 But they also, I think, know that my communications with them have set legal groundwork not too dissimilar to Alex Berenson, where if I reach out and say, Alex Jones is coming on the show.

01:26:51.000 Here's what we're going to do.

01:26:52.000 Give me your advisement.

01:26:53.000 And they say, you're good.

01:26:54.000 No advisement.

01:26:55.000 He's allowed to talk.

01:26:56.000 And then they give me BS, that puts them in an interesting legal position.

01:27:01.000 People need to understand about these deals with YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter.

01:27:05.000 Don't think of it as you signed up for a website.

01:27:08.000 Think of it like you sat down with Susan Wojcicki, or whatever her name is, and said, let's do a business deal.

01:27:15.000 I will make a show, you distribute that show, sell the ads on it, and we'll split the revenue.

01:27:20.000 Most goes to me." 0.93

01:27:21.000 And she said, yes.

01:27:23.000 If she breaches that contract and makes up a reason for it, you can sue for breach of contract.

01:27:28.000 And Alex Berenson did, and he won.

01:27:30.000 So that gives you leverage.

01:27:31.000 I also think the size of the show gives us leverage, too, to be honest.

01:27:34.000 You think?

01:27:34.000 Yeah, of course.

01:27:35.000 You have the ability to actually reach someone and get an answer.

01:27:39.000 I've appealed multiple times on both of these strikes.

01:27:41.000 They give me nothing.

01:27:42.000 I know there's one based YouTube employee out there watching right now.

01:27:46.000 I need you to help me, people.

01:27:49.000 Look after Liberty Lockdown.

01:27:50.000 Undo the strike.

01:27:51.000 You might have to sue.

01:27:53.000 And honestly, I will if I have to, but I don't want to go that path.

01:27:56.000 I'm not in this for war.

01:27:58.000 I really, I'm not.

01:27:59.000 I'm a peaceful person at the end of the day.

01:28:01.000 But if you bring it to my doorstep, yeah, I'll engage.

01:28:04.000 This is the challenge, man.

01:28:05.000 No one ever said it was going to be easy.

01:28:08.000 True.

01:28:08.000 And so for people who are listening, I'll tell you this.

01:28:10.000 Without naming the individuals who, I have been in communication with people who are making challenges against YouTube.

01:28:16.000 And I'll leave it at that.

01:28:17.000 There's a lot more to the story.

01:28:18.000 But let's just say, I'm not sitting on my hands as YouTube does these censorious things.

01:28:26.000 People message me all the time and they're like, can you email them and tell them?

01:28:28.000 And I'm like, no, I can't.

01:28:29.000 Because I've done it before.

01:28:31.000 And they respond with, don't waste our time, basically.

01:28:34.000 Yeah, so... Incredible.

01:28:35.000 Some of these terms where they're like, we can ban anyone at any time for any reason is really disturbing.

01:28:40.000 We had that at Mines.

01:28:41.000 We were like, we... I don't feel right putting this in the terms.

01:28:44.000 Like, well, we kind of have to.

01:28:45.000 Plus, they changed the terms without you even, like, agreeing to them.

01:28:48.000 That's a problem, too.

01:28:49.000 I think those term changes should have to go to Congress.

01:28:52.000 Any big social media network that wants to change the terms of service should send that to Congress.

01:28:56.000 There should be a bill or something on the floor where they have to at least acknowledge it and read it.

01:29:00.000 This is a good point because we didn't, did we used to have, I guess, I don't know, I'm assuming no, did we used to have mass contracts like this?

01:29:06.000 Like imagine it's 1950 and a company says everybody, you know, oh you want to come into my building?

01:29:11.000 Everybody sign this contract giving me the rights over your likeness and distribution.

01:29:16.000 I'm sure there were like there's waivers for admittance into buildings and stuff that have existed, but we're talking now in the scale of 300 million a billion people who've mass signed a contract.

01:29:25.000 What happens when Facebook says we've updated our terms?

01:29:28.000 How is sending me an email that goes to spam due notification?

01:29:31.000 I disagree.

01:29:32.000 Yeah.

01:29:32.000 Well, haven't just signed it, but haven't read it.

01:29:36.000 Most of the people haven't read it because it's too long.

01:29:38.000 It's too general.

01:29:38.000 People aren't lawyers.

01:29:39.000 So that's something that does need to get dealt with.

01:29:42.000 And them changing it halfway when you're invested in the company, when you put your entire life, your entire livelihood on a business model, and they just come along and say, now we're going to change the business model retroactively for no reason, because we want to.

01:29:55.000 Right.

01:29:55.000 That's just evil.

01:29:57.000 They should send you the full terms when they make changes.

01:29:59.000 Every change should be highlighted and then on the right side of the page you see all of the granular changes listed, one after the other, and then you click it and it links you right to the spot in the terms where it happened.

01:30:09.000 That'd be amazing.

01:30:10.000 But the other thing that really bothers me about this is that, yes, the terms of service is a constantly moving window, but also I mean, first off, you can cap that at, like, say, 400 words or something so that people could actually read it.

01:30:22.000 That'd be nice.

01:30:23.000 But the thing that really concerns me most about this misinformation-disinformation clause that they include in there is that, ultimately, many—like, I've had Dr. Joseph Latipo, the Surgeon General of Florida.

01:30:34.000 I've had on Dr. Robert Malone.

01:30:35.000 I've had on all of these people who have been either deplatform-censored, had smack-talked about them.

01:30:41.000 Everywhere over the past three years, much of the information that they were trying to convey, in hindsight, turns out to be pretty darn accurate.

01:30:48.000 But in that period, if you were to have some of those people on your YouTube channel, you would have been struck.

01:30:55.000 I mean, it's it's it's crazy.

01:30:56.000 The evolution of like wearing masks and not wearing masks and wearing masks.

01:31:00.000 The guidelines all changed on YouTube.

01:31:02.000 The vaccine transmission stuff like Sam Harris.

01:31:02.000 Yeah.

01:31:04.000 Have you guys seen this clip from Sam Harris going viral?

01:31:07.000 This is the episode I got struck.

01:31:08.000 He needs an intervention, this man.

01:31:10.000 You know what I think happened with Sam Harris is that he was so scared to be outside of the liberal mainstream line, and with the intellectual dark web stuff, and when he was with Bill Maher talking about Islam, it was still within the liberal tribe to say the things he was saying, but he was edgy.

01:31:28.000 Then when it came to the lockdowns and the mandates and all that stuff, you could not deviate.

01:31:34.000 And so he stayed with it.

01:31:36.000 And now the information's changed and he cannot come out and apologize.

01:31:41.000 He has to just keep doubling down.

01:31:44.000 The man needs an intervention.

01:31:46.000 If he sat down with Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein and he said, look guys, I was wrong about so much of this, and I was hot-headed.

01:31:55.000 Will you ever forgive me?

01:31:56.000 I hope they would say yes, because I would.

01:31:58.000 I would say, Sam, welcome back.

01:32:00.000 Let's get back to the conversation.

01:32:02.000 See, that's the thing.

01:32:03.000 I've made this pitch many times.

01:32:05.000 I just want you to deal in reality.

01:32:08.000 You guys have lived in your own delusions while also simultaneously classifying me as some vector for, you know, death, and a misinformation agent, and all these other things.

01:32:19.000 Look, I don't even care.

01:32:21.000 Bygones be bygones.

01:32:22.000 However, you have to face reality, and it'd be nice if you would've just said, you know what?

01:32:27.000 I overreacted.

01:32:29.000 As opposed to Sam Harris, which, by the way, I have an episode coming out tonight, right after this ends, called Sam Harris Has Lost His Mind, because he has.

01:32:37.000 If he can't deal with the fact that he was so catastrophically wrong on something—and he's a person that values his rationality at the highest level.

01:32:46.000 This is why he thinks of religious people as being such rubes, right? 1.00

01:32:50.000 Because he's so rational and God is not a rational thing because it requires faith.

01:32:55.000 But he is so deeply irrational, and he is so clearly following down a religious line of thinking when it comes to the COVID hysteria, and he can't come to terms with it.

01:33:04.000 And it's tragic, honestly.

01:33:05.000 Do you think we should be carving out a path of redemption for someone like Sam Harrison?

01:33:11.000 I didn't go as far as to say—and this is, I guess, cold-hearted—but even like Jordan Peterson, like you said, I feel like these people have been very important, especially in the lives of young men, and they've kind of led them down a path, like Jordan Peterson with the vaccines and some of the other things he said.

01:33:27.000 And I'm just kind of like, I'm not ready to discard you, but I've been ignoring you for a while.

01:33:33.000 I just don't know what to do with some of these people.

01:33:35.000 There's got to be a path to redemption.

01:33:37.000 Otherwise, people will just go the other direction.

01:33:39.000 If you don't say, come to me, they'll walk away from you.

01:33:42.000 Sam doesn't want redemption.

01:33:43.000 Do you think that there's more people coming up though?

01:33:46.000 There's more prospects in our horizon that probably have something to say, maybe better or maybe equal to what these guys have said?

01:33:55.000 You're on a battlefield and you got red on one side, blue on the other.

01:33:55.000 Let me put it this way.

01:33:59.000 Let's say green and yellow.

01:34:00.000 We don't want to make it red and blue.

01:34:02.000 And you're on the green side and a yellow dude with his hands up Drops his weapon and starts walking towards you or waving a white flag.

01:34:10.000 What do you say?

01:34:11.000 Do you shoot him? 0.98

01:34:12.000 No, no, no. 0.99

01:34:13.000 You say, bring him in.

01:34:14.000 Do you give him access to your secret documents?

01:34:17.000 No.

01:34:18.000 But you say, thank you for coming over.

01:34:21.000 Perhaps I worded it incorrect.

01:34:24.000 Not that there shouldn't be a path for redemption, but obviously we're like, okay, you kind of messed up here, Jordan, which I named my whole brand after you because I looked up to the guy.

01:34:34.000 He is the top lobster.

01:34:36.000 Top lobster.

01:34:37.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:34:39.000 Some of the things I think he's said and done are almost unforgivable, especially in this landscape.

01:34:43.000 And it's tough to be correct all the time, but I don't know.

01:34:47.000 We've got guys like Dave Smith who are pretty correct all the time.

01:34:49.000 And try to correct your wrongs.

01:34:50.000 I mean, I think Ben Shapiro should have done that.

01:34:52.000 I think Jordan Peterson should have done that.

01:34:53.000 They all promoted the product, the shot.

01:34:58.000 And we need a bigger conversation here.

01:35:00.000 So if we're going to hold Sam Harris critical of it, we've got to hold other people on our side.

01:35:05.000 Look, it's really simple.

01:35:06.000 We want as many people to... Let's say you've got ten people over here saying, you know, buck, and you've got ten people over here saying bark.

01:35:15.000 You want as many people as possible saying bark.

01:35:17.000 I don't care if it said buck ten minutes ago.

01:35:20.000 Come over here and, you know, say the thing that works for us.

01:35:23.000 But we do have to go to Super Chats because I don't want to go too long.

01:35:26.000 But I'm just saying, like, You have to.

01:35:28.000 Even if it pains you, it's how you win.

01:35:31.000 I believe there's always a path to redemption, but do they want it?

01:35:35.000 And I think Jordan Peterson probably does.

01:35:37.000 Sam Harris, not so much.

01:35:38.000 We're going to Superchats, but I want to add one thing, and I'll tell you what we're doing.

01:35:44.000 Look, we've got a bunch of shows we're making, and they make some money, and we want them to be successful on their own, and we want to cultivate talent and personalities, because the idea ultimately is, it's a very simple mathematic formula.

01:35:55.000 Why do I want to build everything in West Virginia?

01:35:57.000 Because there's good people in West Virginia's MAGA country.

01:36:00.000 If these people in West Virginia who live in MAGA country, who believe in individual liberty, freedom, and fly the Gadsden flag, had access to more money, they would invest in more products.

01:36:08.000 They would invest in businesses that support their values.

01:36:11.000 They would build businesses that support these values.

01:36:13.000 So when you guys give money to Timcast, and we open a coffee shop in West Virginia, and we hire people in West Virginia, and we build industry in West Virginia, it is MAGA country that sees their revenues increasing.

01:36:23.000 And if I get one dollar, And I hand that dollar to Jim Bob.

01:36:26.000 Jim Bob gets that dollar.

01:36:27.000 Of course, the government's taken their cut every step of the way, which we're not fans of.

01:36:31.000 But then Jim Bob has that dollar and he says, okay, now I can give it to Mary Sue.

01:36:35.000 Mary Sue gets that dollar and now she says, now I can buy the thing I need.

01:36:38.000 It starts building up the economy and the resources of individuals with better ideas.

01:36:43.000 That's trickle down.

01:36:45.000 I'm not saying it's like, oh, I've got money.

01:36:47.000 I'm saying it spreads out and ripples.

01:36:50.000 Empowering people of better ideas.

01:36:52.000 That's the whole point.

01:36:53.000 So we're launching this coffee company very very soon and Get after it.

01:36:58.000 Yeah, we're gonna do coffee shops physical locations.

01:37:01.000 We're going to create We're gonna do subscription base so you can sign up to automatically get your bag of coffee weekly bi-weekly or however much you want you can just be like Set it up.

01:37:11.000 That's the best way to do it.

01:37:12.000 And I really don't want to say this just yet, because it may be unfair, but I've sent out the message.

01:37:20.000 I'm really hoping that with our coffee company, and we're selling these subscription coffee companies, I'm really hoping that Cal Rittenhouse is willing to work with us in some capacity.

01:37:30.000 You know, maybe wear our shirt or something like that, because we're big fans.

01:37:34.000 Shots fired, Black Rifle!

01:37:36.000 We believe in liberty and justice, and I'm definitely willing to support this young man.

01:37:41.000 But I'll tell you why I'm saying it.

01:37:43.000 The one reason I didn't want to say it is because it's his business, it's his life, and there's a controversy around that.

01:37:47.000 But I had a conversation with this kid, and What does he do?

01:37:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:54.000 What can he do?

01:37:55.000 And so when I'm like, I'm sitting here thinking like, man, I feel bad for this kid because how could he be a nurse?

01:38:00.000 You know, he walks into a, he walks, the left is attacking him.

01:38:03.000 He walks into a room with a guy who's injured and like, here's your nurse caught right now.

01:38:06.000 So that's something he told me.

01:38:07.000 That was there when he told you that was funny.

01:38:08.000 And I'm like, wow, like they really destroyed this kid's life.

01:38:12.000 And I'm like, okay, maybe there's an opportunity there.

01:38:15.000 Maybe there's some, in some way he can work with our coffee company because we're willing to, you know, we believe in him.

01:38:20.000 But let's read Superchance.

01:38:21.000 Let's read it because we're going late.

01:38:22.000 I just want to say, if you do franchise your coffee company, let us, let us know.

01:38:27.000 Florida, Florida Tim Cass Coffee.

01:38:28.000 Florida is also MAGA Coffee.

01:38:31.000 Whatever it's called, you know.

01:38:33.000 Hot coffee?

01:38:33.000 Is that in a brand yet?

01:38:35.000 I gotta start my own.

01:38:36.000 AJWT?

01:38:37.000 I'm thinking the idea is to have like some kind of private club component to it.

01:38:41.000 Yeah, man.

01:38:42.000 Where it's like you pay a monthly, you know, like we've talked about doing a legitimate social club, 501c7, where it's like five grand a year, but maybe it's just like 10 bucks a month and you can go hang out in Ian's Crystal Cove, you know, and then we make like a little hangout space where people can have coffee or something.

01:38:55.000 Dude, I'm going to meditate in that cove.

01:38:57.000 I'm going to break and charge the crystals.

01:38:58.000 Yeah, we got a legal.

01:39:00.000 We gotta read the Super Chats, and I'll just say, yeah, we didn't talk about anything but the Steven Crowder and the Media Lanscape stuff.

01:39:05.000 That's it, yeah.

01:39:06.000 Because, like, I don't know, I just, it's so important.

01:39:09.000 It's so important, man.

01:39:10.000 I thought it was a great conversation, anyways.

01:39:11.000 Dabra McStache to say to him, hope you're feeling better now.

01:39:13.000 Missed you today, wasn't the same.

01:39:15.000 The late Mima's throat remedy.

01:39:15.000 P.S.

01:39:17.000 Hot water, honey, lemon juice, and ground clove.

01:39:19.000 Gargle and spit, don't swallow, should help. 0.96

01:39:21.000 And then you've got to not eat.

01:39:23.000 I've done everything.

01:39:23.000 The big challenge is don't eat anything.

01:39:25.000 There's one actual remedy.

01:39:27.000 There's one literal remedy.

01:39:28.000 And it's NSAIDs.

01:39:30.000 That's it.

01:39:31.000 Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories.

01:39:32.000 Ibuprofen, naproxen.

01:39:34.000 Or if you can afford it, tortadol.

01:39:36.000 But you'll need a medical practitioner, I think, for tortadol.

01:39:39.000 Losing your voice is caused by inflammation in the throat.

01:39:42.000 NSAIDs, reduce the inflammation, allow you to speak.

01:39:44.000 I think they do cortisol injections for celebrity singers who have to do a show, and they lose their voice, and then you get your voice back.

01:39:51.000 But it's really, really bad to do.

01:39:52.000 You could dip your hands in some aloe and then stick it down your throat and rub it around on the vocal cords.

01:39:56.000 Jesus Christ.

01:39:57.000 It's a little invasive, but it works.

01:39:58.000 You'll gag and you'll throw up.

01:39:59.000 No, no, you override your gag reflex.

01:40:01.000 I've been training for this my whole life.

01:40:04.000 Steven says, Tim needs to rest his voice.

01:40:06.000 I'm not paying 10 bucks a month for him to destroy himself.

01:40:09.000 That's a great— Thank you for saying that.

01:40:12.000 It's a good point.

01:40:12.000 That's kind of what happened to Jordan Peterson, man.

01:40:14.000 He overworked himself and then ended up in rehab.

01:40:17.000 Just stay off the painkillers.

01:40:18.000 Well, he took a lot of drugs.

01:40:20.000 Yes.

01:40:20.000 A big arm of drugs that he should have been critical of.

01:40:22.000 Yesterday, I took four ibuprofen.

01:40:25.000 That's how it starts.

01:40:25.000 I could work in the morning.

01:40:27.000 After about an hour and a half, my voice worked enough, but it was still rough.

01:40:31.000 And then by like five, I was Took some more and was able to do the nightly show, but it was still kind of rough.

01:40:36.000 This morning, at my limit.

01:40:38.000 If you take too much, your stomach stops producing the mucous lining, you get ulcers.

01:40:43.000 And it starts hurting.

01:40:44.000 Before the show started, Tim said, you know what, there's a lot of guys here, so you guys kind of take the conversation.

01:40:50.000 Oh yeah.

01:40:51.000 And then he had a lot to say.

01:40:52.000 The crowder thing is too big, especially like, Yeah, I'm sorry.

01:40:57.000 This is the fight though, like the platforming issues that we're dealing with the censorship.

01:41:01.000 We didn't even mention the Twitter leaks and how we have now hard evidence that you have the FBI, CIA, all these people that are involved in setting the terms of service.

01:41:07.000 I mean, this is a really important conversation.

01:41:09.000 I've been working on the charity for this technology that can help Stephen for two years.

01:41:15.000 We're still on filing, but I mean, this is serendipitous.

01:41:17.000 Takes like two years.

01:41:18.000 There's a reason we started it in the beginning.

01:41:18.000 That was the idea.

01:41:20.000 Creating an easy way that anyone can spin up their own membership website.

01:41:23.000 Oh, that's beautiful.

01:41:24.000 So that there's no more network, there's no more I get 5%, there's no more I get 20%.

01:41:28.000 And it creates a network of all the people that are using the software.

01:41:31.000 Oh, that's really cool.

01:41:33.000 Yep, and so that way you create a network where no one can be banned, where nobody is a boss over them, but you can still discover content.

01:41:41.000 Let's read more.

01:41:42.000 Cosmic Surgeon says, Tim, please name names.

01:41:44.000 Someone has to be the one to stop protecting these people.

01:41:46.000 Truth is an absolute defensive label.

01:41:48.000 I will tell you, I know a whole lot about what's going on, but not naming names, it's because I don't see bad guys in this story.

01:41:58.000 No, I don't think so.

01:41:59.000 Like, you got, you know, two guys are fighting over who owns a piece of land.

01:42:04.000 One guy says, my grandfather is the one who came and cleared the bush out of here and made it livable.

01:42:11.000 And then this dude came in and lived here.

01:42:12.000 And he goes, what do you mean?

01:42:13.000 He cleared some bush, but there were wolves all over the place.

01:42:16.000 It was my dad who came in and got rid of the wolves.

01:42:18.000 And now they're arguing over who owns the land.

01:42:19.000 And I'm like, these guys aren't evil people.

01:42:22.000 They're making, they're staking their claim and we're trying to adjudicate fairly who really is the person who's in the right, who's really in the wrong.

01:42:29.000 Crowder thinks these contracts are bad.

01:42:31.000 I agree.

01:42:31.000 But I don't think the company that's offered them up is doing it because they're evil and they're doing it because they're looking at their terms and being like, yo, if this guy gets a strike, we lose all this money.

01:42:39.000 We're screwed.

01:42:40.000 And it's a highly competitive space. 0.98

01:42:42.000 Yeah.

01:42:42.000 And even with me getting screwed over at the end of the day, they have their own different side and version of their story.

01:42:48.000 But I'm happy that it happened and I'm grateful for it now.

01:42:50.000 Right.

01:42:51.000 Jason Dixon says, Tim, I'm a member for two years, six months, and 23 days.

01:42:54.000 I will move my $10 to Timcast website and drop YouTube.

01:42:58.000 Thoughts?

01:42:59.000 Absolutely.

01:43:01.000 You are much better off.

01:43:03.000 So, here's the way it works for us.

01:43:06.000 Because I just tell you guys.

01:43:08.000 YouTube's got rules.

01:43:09.000 We break them, we get shut down.

01:43:11.000 So what do we do?

01:43:12.000 We talk about what we can't hear, and then we say the speakeasies round back.

01:43:17.000 TimCast.com, uncensored, become a member, and there's a big library of all the uncensored conversations.

01:43:24.000 For the most part, our opinions don't really, we're not like masking our opinions.

01:43:28.000 We just, we avoid saying things in certain ways, like swearing.

01:43:33.000 We swear a lot on the members only.

01:43:34.000 But like certain subjects just get put there for safety reasons.

01:43:39.000 There's an option, because a lot of people are like, have balls and just say it on YouTube.

01:43:43.000 It's like, oh, then we cease to exist. 1.00

01:43:44.000 Yeah, it's stupid. 0.97

01:43:45.000 Yeah, I don't, I don't, like, right now, if we're on YouTube, the central battlefield, and we've got a bridge leading to the speakeasy where people can talk, it's better than just nuking everything. 0.99

01:43:53.000 You gotta keep that bridge open, man. 0.97

01:43:55.000 It sucks. 0.98

01:43:56.000 Well, as long as you can, at least. 0.99

01:43:58.000 Yeah.

01:43:59.000 Yeah, but become a member at 10PS.com, or not.

01:44:01.000 Look, man, I don't know.

01:44:02.000 You know, there's a lot of people who, you know, every day I see people saying stuff like, Just discouraging things.

01:44:10.000 You know, you shouldn't be doing this, you should shut down.

01:44:13.000 You know, Tim Pool only cares about money.

01:44:15.000 Tim Pool only cares about fame.

01:44:16.000 And those are the kind of people that make me feel like, you know, maybe I should not be trying to fight for these people.

01:44:21.000 And then I'm like, but I always know those are not real fans.

01:44:25.000 Those are not real fighters.

01:44:27.000 Those are the people trying to trick you.

01:44:29.000 That's the devil on your shoulder, telling you they have your best interest at heart, but they're really trying to sabotage everything.

01:44:34.000 That's the Jordan Peterson, where he gets it right.

01:44:37.000 There's the people that have just gone too far down the black-pilled path. 0.99

01:44:41.000 That they start lashing out.

01:44:43.000 This is a really important one from Noah Sanders.

01:44:44.000 He says, wait, didn't y'all have Steve Hilton from Fox on as a guest?

01:44:47.000 How'd y'all swing getting him in if Fox has y'all blacklisted?

01:44:50.000 Keep up the great work.

01:44:51.000 We talked to him about this, actually.

01:44:53.000 And he was like, afterwards, he was like, we were like, how did they allow you to come on?

01:44:57.000 He's like, what do you mean?

01:44:58.000 And we were like, Fox guests can't come on this show.

01:45:00.000 And he goes, I didn't tell him.

01:45:03.000 He's like, I didn't read my contract.

01:45:05.000 I'm in trouble.

01:45:09.000 Farid Mahmood says, let me guess, Daily Wire trying to shaft Crowder have helped people in the past get signed with DW and their contracts are just as bad as the rest of media.

01:45:19.000 I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know.

01:45:25.000 I'm actually surprised Crowder came out and complained about the contract because most people would just be like, when they offered me a deal, I didn't go public and just be like, here's what I'm being offered from these different companies.

01:45:38.000 I'm like, look, if you come to me and say you'll give me 10 bucks to quit the show and go work at McDonald's, I'll say no.

01:45:45.000 I don't owe you anything, you don't owe me anything.

01:45:47.000 I'm not gonna come out and be like, how dare you?

01:45:50.000 But I think what Crowder did, why I think it was good, is because we've got to change this landscape.

01:45:54.000 Yeah.

01:45:54.000 I don't think, I mean, it is tough because I do wonder, would the personalities at Daily Wire exist in this capacity without the Daily Wire?

01:46:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:05.000 Jordan Peterson would.

01:46:07.000 But Woody though, he's doing a lot more stuff now that he's with the Daily Wire than he was before.

01:46:10.000 Well, I think that's also because he's just finally getting his mind right.

01:46:14.000 It's kind of like the story of, I guess, the founding of this nation.

01:46:17.000 So if this nation didn't accrue a ton of debt in order to recover from the Revolutionary War, would we be where we are at now?

01:46:26.000 I don't know.

01:46:26.000 Interesting.

01:46:27.000 So it's kind of like, would the Daily Wire have that many content creators?

01:46:32.000 If they didn't do that, it's hard to say.

01:46:35.000 Farid says, Tim, quote, I don't care about money and want to help people.

01:46:38.000 Poole, not gonna lie, you're sounding like SBF with FTX.

01:46:42.000 I'm also sounding a whole lot like Disney.

01:46:44.000 I'm sounding a whole lot like Netflix and NASCAR and any other ESG company that's like.

01:46:49.000 We have to put diversity, equity, inclusion at the core of our business because the stakeholders matter and profit isn't everything.

01:46:55.000 Me, I completely agree.

01:46:57.000 We gotta put the Gadsden flag on all our properties and MOLA and LABE because the values are what matters.

01:47:02.000 And the money is secondary.

01:47:04.000 If we can afford to eat and we can afford to expand, then afterwards we invest in making this country a better place.

01:47:09.000 Period.

01:47:10.000 Because you know what?

01:47:11.000 If you don't, don't put that money... I'll make it simple for everybody.

01:47:16.000 I am investing my money in America.

01:47:20.000 If I don't, I will own nothing and be very unhappy.

01:47:26.000 Shout out to Klaus.

01:47:27.000 That's right.

01:47:27.000 So these people who are like, you know, I'll just make the money and then go disappear.

01:47:31.000 I'm like, you're not going to have money in five years, bro.

01:47:33.000 Well, if you do it, ain't going to buy much.

01:47:35.000 I bought Tesla stock recently because California, Oregon and Washington are banning gas cars.

01:47:41.000 You know, and a lot of people talk about the fear of electric cars and the centralization and control.

01:47:45.000 I'm like, yeah, it's the smart grid, not necessarily the electric grid.

01:47:50.000 It's a component for sure.

01:47:50.000 They can turn off your power and then what do you do?

01:47:52.000 I'll build a solar device.

01:47:53.000 I'll figure it out.

01:47:55.000 All right.

01:47:57.000 Ghost Crusaders Tim, you know the smear merchants are going to write hit piece after hit piece on you even harder now that you revealed how much you make annually.

01:48:04.000 Yeah, I gave a general estimate.

01:48:06.000 The funny thing is on my Wikipedia page, like, it includes an estimate of our monthly income.

01:48:11.000 And I'm just like, that's so weird.

01:48:13.000 It's so weird they would do that.

01:48:15.000 The Daily Beast wrote a hit piece and they included a fake number about our revenue.

01:48:18.000 And I was like, why?

01:48:19.000 I talked to them, I was like, that's not a real number.

01:48:21.000 Like, why are you including it?

01:48:22.000 And they're like, well, we heard.

01:48:24.000 About a year and a half ago, I got doxxed and someone had Googled my name and discovered my old company name.

01:48:29.000 And online, they found that I had six employees, which I didn't, and that I was only grossing or netting, I forget, 50 grand a year.

01:48:38.000 And they posted that to try and demonstrate that I was a fraud as opposed to just realizing that this information is completely nonsense.

01:48:45.000 I had six employees and I was grossing 50 grand a year.

01:48:48.000 Do you understand how criminal that would be?

01:48:50.000 Jeez, man. 0.95

01:48:51.000 You're like a robber baron, dude.

01:48:55.000 There's a good one.

01:48:56.000 Justin Swordall says, my Mug Club sub was $100 annually.

01:49:00.000 If half of Crowder's subs paid, that's $300 million annually. 0.91

01:49:04.000 $200 million for three years is trash. 0.63

01:49:07.000 It's not about the money. 0.93

01:49:08.000 You're right, except 3 million people will never subscribe.

01:49:13.000 Crowder can get, you know, he's got, I think on this video, since it went up, let's say 300,000 views.

01:49:18.000 I guarantee.

01:49:22.000 Not 99%.

01:49:25.000 Like, of those people who watched because of the subject matter of the video, I'd say 2% maybe signed up from Mug Club.

01:49:34.000 In merchandising, it's about a 3% retention rate when people view your product.

01:49:38.000 So it's probably way less for this.

01:49:39.000 Oh, it's definitely less.

01:49:40.000 I mean, look, if we've got 1.4 million subs on this channel, holy crap, if 700,000 people were paying $10 a month, we would be doing a lot more than we are.

01:49:52.000 I would build a small city.

01:49:54.000 No joke, this is the crazy thing.

01:49:56.000 We're building this new building.

01:49:57.000 The new building we're putting up is 40 feet tall in the middle, 25 foot walls, with a studio built inside, and the whole thing's gonna cost around half a million dollars.

01:50:05.000 And then we gotta do the skate components and the entertainment stuff.

01:50:07.000 It's gonna be another couple hundred thousand dollars.

01:50:10.000 Dude, if we had half of our viewers, because we get a collective 60 million hits per month.

01:50:16.000 That would be 84 million annually.

01:50:18.000 If we get, like on this video right now, there's 39,000 people currently watching.

01:50:23.000 It peaked at like 45.

01:50:24.000 If every one of these people signed up, wow.

01:50:29.000 But they don't.

01:50:29.000 They don't have to.

01:50:30.000 I'm not telling you you have to.

01:50:31.000 I'm just saying, like, the conversion rate ain't there.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, no, it's not.

01:50:34.000 Like, man, I don't know, you know, if, if, if 10% of, If we had 140,000 people giving us 10 bucks a month, could you imagine if 10%?

01:50:46.000 Well, see, this is where I think the network play actually works because like on Gas Digital, you have 12 different programs that once you pay, you get all of this uncensored content.

01:50:55.000 Whereas if you're one creator, well, you just don't have enough content to offer to like really justify that expenditure.

01:51:01.000 So that's where I think the network play does make sense for the person to subscribe.

01:51:06.000 If you're a channel with like 100,000 subs and someone comes to you and says, we got 10 channels each with 100,000 subs and we're creating a network and we're going to sell it for $10 a month and we'll pay you $100,000 a year, right?

01:51:19.000 It might be worth it to you.

01:51:21.000 I know a lot of people are signing deals with Rumble.

01:51:24.000 Because Rumble's like, we're going to give you money.

01:51:25.000 And they're like, wow, I can pay my bills now.

01:51:27.000 I like that, that's great.

01:51:28.000 Kim Iverson actually, bless her heart, we've become friends over the past year.

01:51:32.000 I was just on her new Rumble exclusive show and I told her after my second strike,

01:51:36.000 I was like, look, I don't know what I'm gonna do but I know you've got the exclusive deal with Rumble,

01:51:40.000 can you help Liberty Lockdown become a Rumble exclusive?

01:51:43.000 And she said she's gonna ask, so let's see.

01:51:45.000 I mean, it's tragic that this is the game that we're in where we're just constantly ducking and dodging

01:51:50.000 and trying to get different platforms to keep us alive but it's the nature of the beast.

01:51:55.000 I've thought that you were supposed to be vocal about what you believed.

01:51:58.000 That was what I thought growing up.

01:51:59.000 So that's what I did in 2006 and I haven't stopped really except for censors.

01:52:02.000 I'm trying to be kind.

01:52:04.000 You naive little guy.

01:52:05.000 I'm going to read a regular chat.

01:52:06.000 I'm trying to tell the truth.

01:52:07.000 I got a regular chat that needs to be read.

01:52:09.000 What is this?

01:52:11.000 Lulz Sanchez says I pay for Mug Club only for Crowder.

01:52:15.000 I'm pretty sure Mug Club was just a Blaze membership.

01:52:18.000 Am I wrong about that?

01:52:19.000 I really don't know.

01:52:21.000 So, like... I thought it, like, originated from, like, it's changed my mind things, but I'm not really sure.

01:52:27.000 I don't know, I don't know exactly, but I thought when Crowder was with the Blaze, if you signed up for Mug Club, you were signing up for the Blaze.

01:52:33.000 Otherwise, I don't understand how that would make sense.

01:52:35.000 I thought it began when it was just him as a solo operator, but maybe he was always part of the Blazers.

01:52:39.000 I really don't know.

01:52:40.000 Didn't Ben Shapiro, before the Daily Wire was a huge operation, he had the liberal tear mugs?

01:52:47.000 What was that?

01:52:48.000 Liberal tears?

01:52:49.000 I've seen that.

01:52:49.000 Yeah, did people just sign up and they got a mug?

01:52:52.000 What else did they get?

01:52:53.000 I don't really know.

01:52:54.000 Oh, so did Daily Wire gain control of Yamabushi Nate says, Tim, no offense, but on your comment on your crew, I really like Luke and Surgeon Ian.

01:53:00.000 built pre-WIRE. Well what was he offering? Like back before there was this whole

01:53:05.000 DailyWIRE incorporated thing? A lot of, I don't know, a lot of questions. I know he

01:53:09.000 and Jeremy kind of created the thing together with a third guy, Caleb I

01:53:12.000 believe is his name. I don't know Caleb. Yamabushi Nate says, Tim no offense but on

01:53:16.000 your comment on your crew I really like Luke and Serge and Ian. It makes the show

01:53:19.000 for me. I'll clarify.

01:53:22.000 You're not saying anything bad about them.

01:53:23.000 It's so weird that people are hearing that.

01:53:25.000 Well, you know, just to add context, for one, Luke has never worked here because Luke owns his own media company.

01:53:30.000 So he's his own dude, like his own company and profits.

01:53:34.000 But as for what I was saying is, Timcast IRL couldn't exist without the employees who work for the show.

01:53:40.000 But if I didn't do this show, I would still be well off doing just Timcast News and Timcast.

01:53:47.000 And it's like, it's a diminishing return.

01:53:51.000 The amount of money I make from working, like if I only worked one hour, the bulk of my money would come in.

01:53:58.000 I add a second hour, I make less.

01:54:00.000 I add a third hour, even less.

01:54:01.000 And so like the 16th hour of work I do brings in very little money.

01:54:06.000 Yes, exactly.

01:54:07.000 I bet though, because it's all subscription based, or a lot of it's subscription based, you're almost at the point where you could work 7 to 11 every day, just do this show, and you still make the same amount of subscriptions.

01:54:18.000 I mean, IRL drives almost all the subscriptions.

01:54:21.000 Like, I think the overall majority of memberships for TimGast.com is just this show.

01:54:25.000 Well, perfect example.

01:54:26.000 I ran a mortgage company.

01:54:27.000 I made a half a million dollars a year working by myself, and I just subbed out all of the work for loan docs and title and everything else.

01:54:33.000 I could have brought in employees, because I was a broker.

01:54:35.000 They could have worked under me.

01:54:36.000 I could have made points off of them.

01:54:37.000 They could have all made a good living of $150,000 to $200,000 a year.

01:54:41.000 I would have increased my annual net revenue probably $50,000 to $100,000 per employee I brought on.

01:54:48.000 But my quality of life would have been so catastrophically diminished, I opted not to.

01:54:54.000 That doesn't mean that those people aren't valuable.

01:54:56.000 That means that I am making a different decision for myself.

01:54:59.000 That doesn't mean that I despise or think that those people are worthless.

01:55:02.000 I'm just making a different choice.

01:55:03.000 Tim went the other route, and he's now growing a real powerful thing.

01:55:09.000 Like a real network enterprise here.

01:55:12.000 And I just didn't, I'm just, I don't have that in me.

01:55:14.000 I don't want to go that route.

01:55:15.000 It's a lot of work.

01:55:16.000 I probably won't do it today though, because now I understand how dire things are.

01:55:20.000 But back when I was doing that, it didn't seem like we were so close to the precipice.

01:55:25.000 The first couple of years when we launched this, I was working with no days off.

01:55:29.000 So I would do Sunday to Sunday, you know, Monday to Sunday, the Tim Pool Morning Show, six segments between TimCast News and TimCast on YouTube and the podcast, and then Monday through Friday at, you know, 8 to 10, TimCast IRL.

01:55:43.000 And then I think 2020 and I think in 2021 is when I stopped.

01:55:50.000 New year of 2021, I stopped working weekends and I removed three segments.

01:55:54.000 I brought those three segments back, but I'm still not working weekends.

01:55:57.000 The issue was that I literally had no time to go to the bank.

01:56:00.000 And I was like, okay, I'm doing a lot of content.

01:56:01.000 It makes a lot of money.

01:56:02.000 But if I don't go to the bank, here's the crazy thing too.

01:56:04.000 Doing the podcast every day with no days off, put the Tim Pool Daily Show in like the top 30 podcasts in the world, because it guaranteed me above everybody else.

01:56:14.000 Because people stopped working.

01:56:16.000 Once I stopped working, Tim Pool Daily Show fell completely off the charts.

01:56:18.000 And it's like 300 or something.

01:56:21.000 Alright, a lot of people are saying we didn't watch the video Crowder put out.

01:56:24.000 I watched the entire thing.

01:56:26.000 Chase said, Tim, it's not about the money in Steven's contract.

01:56:27.000 It's about the mechanisms to control his speech.

01:56:29.000 Y'all are missing the point.

01:56:31.000 Steven is saying that Big Conservative is watering down the message of its creators through the deals.

01:56:35.000 I think he misunderstands.

01:56:37.000 I think the contract was bad, but I think it was an issue of hammering out the details.

01:56:43.000 I don't see these companies as evil.

01:56:45.000 I see them as needing to exist, but I think these deals don't work this way anymore, and the system can't survive this way anymore.

01:56:52.000 I think What he was seeing was them saying, if you get a strike, we are going to remove X from the guarantee because you can't make money for us.

01:57:01.000 But I think the percentages they put were ridiculous.

01:57:06.000 That just clearly didn't work.

01:57:09.000 I don't know.

01:57:10.000 All right.

01:57:10.000 So here's the deal.

01:57:11.000 I think that Crowder has a point.

01:57:13.000 I think that there's also a bigger point about whether or not there is controlled opposition that exists in the conservative realm.

01:57:20.000 And I don't think that Daily Wire or The Blaze or any of these people are necessarily in that category.

01:57:26.000 But I do think that it's interesting, too, if we could unwind the finances that go into these deals, the actual source funding that creates these networks, and then understand why these contracts are being structured how they are, that would tell you, perhaps, whether or not this was actually a mechanism for trying to control a counter-narrative Sure, yeah.

01:57:48.000 YouTube is actually just Alphabet, the company.

01:57:50.000 You can call it whatever you want.

01:57:51.000 It's got a skin suit on that says the word YouTube on it, but it's Alphabet.

01:57:54.000 So I'm like, who really is running the show?

01:57:56.000 All right.

01:57:56.000 Exactly.

01:57:57.000 Pat Meadows says, if Tim Kast negotiates a contract with Crowder and gets him on board, I will triple my monthly membership payment to Tim Kast.

01:58:05.000 Who's with me?

01:58:06.000 Take a poll, how many people would pay $30 a month to see, get a Tim Pooles, Steve McLeod network?

01:58:10.000 If a million of you sign up tonight, I think it'll happen.

01:58:14.000 Straight up, if $20 a month is doable, I mean, that could happen tomorrow and no one would lose a thing.

01:58:18.000 Let me just, you know, I normally don't like to talk about private business, but let me tell you guys something.

01:58:25.000 I talked to Crowder periodically.

01:58:27.000 And I did make him an offer.

01:58:30.000 I did.

01:58:31.000 And you know what he said?

01:58:33.000 He said no. 0.96

01:58:34.000 Did he crap on your contract? 0.65

01:58:35.000 You know what the contract offer was? 0.94

01:58:37.000 It was, I don't see how we could work with you in any kind of capacity like this.

01:58:42.000 The conversation wasn't explicitly about what's going on with this.

01:58:44.000 We were having a conversation in general.

01:58:46.000 And then I was like, you're way too big for us to ever work with you in any kind of capacity like that.

01:58:50.000 But here's my offer.

01:58:52.000 I know some guys who can build you your own website and we can probably like arrange a way

01:58:57.000 that you can have your own independent thing.

01:58:59.000 I can connect you with them.

01:59:00.000 That was the deal.

01:59:01.000 That was the offer.

01:59:02.000 And he was like, well, I can probably find a company.

01:59:03.000 I'll figure something out.

01:59:04.000 I was like, okay, cool, man.

01:59:05.000 Like, good luck.

01:59:06.000 Like, I don't, I told him, I was like, bro, like we're doing our thing here.

01:59:10.000 And I was like, you gotta, like you gotta do your own thing, man.

01:59:14.000 It's the only way we get through this.

01:59:17.000 We've talked about a bunch of stuff, just privately as, I guess, friends, or whatever you call it.

01:59:22.000 I've never hung out with him in person, but we've talked about a lot of political stuff.

01:59:27.000 We were talking generally, again, not about this.

01:59:31.000 We were talking about something unrelated, and I mentioned the culture war with Disney and stuff.

01:59:37.000 People gotta do their own thing, man.

01:59:38.000 I was like, you gotta do your own thing.

01:59:40.000 And so my whole point was like, the only way we win is when you have your own thing going.

01:59:47.000 It just wouldn't make sense otherwise.

01:59:49.000 I don't know how anyone can sign deals with these big companies like this.

01:59:52.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:59:53.000 Well, given the nature of that particular contract, I understand why people don't.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, my thing is just like, if you're as big as Crowder, You gotta own your own thing.

02:00:02.000 That's the only thing you can do.

02:00:03.000 But yeah, I was talking to him and I was like, what's the deal with their website?

02:00:06.000 Like, you know, I know a guy.

02:00:07.000 I can give you his number.

02:00:10.000 Good luck.

02:00:12.000 He needs help getting a website.

02:00:14.000 No, I mean, I don't know.

02:00:15.000 Wix.

02:00:16.000 He didn't.

02:00:17.000 I can send you the web link.

02:00:18.000 That's the point.

02:00:18.000 Like, he didn't need anything from me.

02:00:19.000 He's doing everything already.

02:00:21.000 Kind of amazing.

02:00:22.000 I'm willing to bet he starts pulling in like 10-15 million per month.

02:00:26.000 I wouldn't be surprised if Crowder surpasses The Daily Wire in a few years.

02:00:30.000 Wow, interesting.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:00:32.000 It really comes down to, does he want to manage it?

02:00:33.000 Because what they do at The Daily Wire is great, is that the three of them, Ben, Jeremy, and is it Caleb?

02:00:38.000 I want to make sure I get his name right, I don't know him personally.

02:00:40.000 They run it.

02:00:41.000 I mean, Ben actually is hands-off.

02:00:42.000 He's doing the Crowder role with Daily Wire.

02:00:44.000 Jeremy's taking care of the business.

02:00:45.000 So Crowder would need a guy like Jeremy to take care of the business.

02:00:48.000 The thing is, Jeremy owns half the company, or a third-third of the company or something.

02:00:52.000 So you'd give that up for that scope.

02:00:53.000 Do you think that's because of the comedy role that Crowder plays?

02:00:58.000 Why he would surpass the Daily Wire?

02:01:00.000 Why do you think that?

02:01:01.000 He's like the biggest personality.

02:01:06.000 Yeah, but does that, I mean, how does that exactly correlate?

02:01:09.000 I mean, the content is what I'm talking about.

02:01:11.000 Why is his content?

02:01:12.000 You look at what Crowder's doing right now.

02:01:13.000 He's a culture warrior.

02:01:14.000 Right.

02:01:16.000 I don't think the Daily Wire are, like, to the same degree.

02:01:19.000 And the people subscribe to the Daily Wire for good content.

02:01:22.000 I mean, Jordan Peterson's a good guy to watch.

02:01:24.000 He's a culture warrior.

02:01:24.000 It's great.

02:01:25.000 Ben Shapiro is to a certain degree, but Ben Shapiro's not Stephen Crowder.

02:01:28.000 Well, I think it's because of this is why we have the two platforms, and Tower Gang is for the comedic outlet.

02:01:34.000 I think that you can reach people that you simply cannot reach if you don't go comedy route.

02:01:38.000 You know, I'm really inspired by Black Rifle Coffee.

02:01:42.000 Those guys are really awesome.

02:01:43.000 Seriously.

02:01:43.000 Because I know some stuff.

02:01:47.000 I don't know what I can and can't say, but I remember learning about the people they've signed deals with.

02:01:52.000 And I was shocked to learn that high-profile mainstream athletes were signing with Black Rifle.

02:01:59.000 And I'm like, this is the greatest thing I've ever heard.

02:02:02.000 Because Black Rifle is staunchly pro-gun and conservative, and you got mainstream, top-tier action sports athletes signing deals with them.

02:02:08.000 I'm like, wow!

02:02:11.000 But why did they not get on board with defending Kyle Rittenhouse outright?

02:02:17.000 The response to Kyle Rittenhouse was, we do not sponsor Kyle Rittenhouse, and we will not sponsor Kyle Rittenhouse.

02:02:23.000 They said, we do not profit off of tragedy, and we do not intend to be involved in this.

02:02:27.000 And it's kind of like, that's weird to me.

02:02:30.000 You're a guns rights company.

02:02:34.000 You can't fail in that moment.

02:02:36.000 No matter the media heat that comes, you cannot fail.

02:02:38.000 And they did.

02:02:39.000 And my attitude was like, If we started a coffee company, like we are, and one day Kyle Rittenhouse wore our shirt, my statement would explicitly be, we are honored that this young man was wearing the shirt of our company.

02:02:56.000 Thank you, Kyle Rittenhouse.

02:02:58.000 God bless.

02:02:58.000 Promo code Kyle.

02:03:00.000 Well, I mean, that's up to Kyle.

02:03:02.000 But my point is just this, it's like, This is why I think Steven Crowder will do better than the Daily Wire.

02:03:08.000 Because Steven Crowder is the guy who will walk up into the face of the machine and say, F you, no.

02:03:15.000 It's challenging, though, because Crowder's like, it's like comparing a warrior to an armada of ships, like each, like Crowder's one ship in the armada that is the Daily Wire.

02:03:24.000 And so Ian, I just want to take this moment to say how much I love your brain.

02:03:28.000 Thanks, homie.

02:03:28.000 You just come with that analogy out of nowhere?

02:03:30.000 Are you kidding me?

02:03:31.000 I was thinking about it like 30 seconds ago.

02:03:32.000 This is genius stuff!

02:03:33.000 People are sleeping on Ian Crossland.

02:03:36.000 My favorite cast member, no offense to him.

02:03:37.000 A lot of people are saying F-BRC.

02:03:39.000 I'm like, I disagree, man.

02:03:40.000 Like, Black Rifle Coffee is extremely important.

02:03:43.000 I don't know which athletes I'm allowed to say have signed deals with them because I don't know which ones went public or not, but this is a tremendously positive thing in cultural takeover.

02:03:53.000 And I get the game they're playing.

02:03:55.000 I think they're, you know, the daily wire to our coffee.

02:03:59.000 Our coffee company is going to be like, yeah, we're not going to screw around.

02:04:04.000 We're not going to play dirty games.

02:04:06.000 We're not going to be crazy a-holes or anything.

02:04:09.000 We're just going to be like, if someone comes and we get a journalist, they're going to be like, you, Kyle Rittenhouse is wearing your shirt.

02:04:14.000 And I'll be like, that's cool.

02:04:15.000 Yes, and?

02:04:15.000 Yeah, yes, and.

02:04:16.000 A lot of people wear our shirts.

02:04:18.000 We think Kyle Rittenhouse was unjustly prosecuted.

02:04:22.000 I think it was a clear-cut case of self-defense.

02:04:24.000 And we are glad to see that justice prevailed in this case.

02:04:26.000 He was acquitted.

02:04:27.000 Yeah, and his life was also ruined by the media, so I don't respect any of your questioning.

02:04:31.000 How about that?

02:04:32.000 Yeah, like, I don't understand why, like, Black Rifle... No, I get it.

02:04:36.000 I guess they're trying to go mainstream.

02:04:37.000 They're trying to be more mainstream.

02:04:38.000 Similar to sometimes when we adhere to the censors on YouTube, we'll end up... People will be like, why?

02:04:43.000 Why don't you just say it?

02:04:44.000 You're like, well, we're...

02:04:46.000 Following the sensorial rules that we don't necessarily agree with because we want to stay on YouTube.

02:04:49.000 Maybe they thought they'd get blacklisted if they went bullish on Kyle too early.

02:04:53.000 And that's why I disagree.

02:04:54.000 Yeah, that's more of an idealist, like, difference of ideals between you guys.

02:04:58.000 We go in the members-only show and we outright just talk about these subjects.

02:05:04.000 We don't say, well, now, hold on, you know.

02:05:06.000 Like, The Daily Wire does an important thing.

02:05:10.000 And I think Crowder would be bigger than him because Crowder is, he's more Trumpian in that regard.

02:05:17.000 We're a bit over, so we gotta go to the members only, but I could talk about this kind of stuff for a million years.

02:05:23.000 So, alright, I'll read this last one.

02:05:26.000 Alan Hale says, Tim, please pluck that singular white hair from your beard. 0.99

02:05:30.000 There's one right here.

02:05:30.000 It's bothering me.

02:05:32.000 Where is it?

02:05:34.000 Don't pluck it.

02:05:34.000 Bottom right.

02:05:36.000 Pluck it and then sell it.

02:05:38.000 This was like, man, we have so much news to talk about.

02:05:43.000 We didn't because like this is how the sausage gets made.

02:05:48.000 Really, really important conversation.

02:05:49.000 But let's talk more in the members only section about a lot of stuff.

02:05:53.000 So head over to TimCast.com.

02:05:56.000 Become a member to support our work directly.

02:05:58.000 Let me read this one from John Bartholomew.

02:05:59.000 He says, Black Rifle is not pro-gun, Tim.

02:06:01.000 Research their statements, positions, and political donations.

02:06:04.000 All right.

02:06:05.000 Well, mark my words.

02:06:07.000 We're launching a company.

02:06:08.000 I don't know if I can say the name just yet because we're still designing everything.

02:06:12.000 We've got the graphics ready to go.

02:06:13.000 I think we're waiting on the bags to get printed.

02:06:16.000 And we've tested the blends out.

02:06:18.000 I like a mean dark roast.

02:06:19.000 But we've also got a nice bright blend called Rise with Roberto Jr.

02:06:22.000 And I could go either way.

02:06:25.000 We're not going to hide.

02:06:26.000 You know, look, the company's not going to make political donations.

02:06:30.000 I really don't understand why the company would donate to PAX.

02:06:33.000 But if we do, we will give to good guns rights organizations and politicians.

02:06:40.000 Not that the company is a gun company or anything like that.

02:06:43.000 But I will say it, I would be honored if we could have Kyle Rittenhouse in some capacity wear our shirt or do something like that.

02:06:52.000 I like Black Rival Coffee, but we're going to be more aggressive in our culture warrior ring.

02:06:58.000 Do you think that Black Rifle nailed kind of like when they were throwing the dildos at the wall on the Vice documentary?

02:07:03.000 They're like, if we can talk about transgenderism and racism, like they have rifles and coffee in their title. 0.84

02:07:09.000 So they brought... Were we missing something?

02:07:11.000 That had nothing to do with 2A or anything.

02:07:13.000 Yeah, what?

02:07:14.000 We'll go to the members only show.

02:07:17.000 So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.

02:07:22.000 This was really a lot of inside baseball, but I appreciate everybody sticking around and listening to this very esoteric episode.

02:07:27.000 Shout out to Steven Crowder.

02:07:28.000 I think it's really important to call out how this machine works as we start to change the shape of it.

02:07:33.000 And I don't think there's any bad guys here.

02:07:35.000 I just think it's an archaic machine that needs to change.

02:07:37.000 And I think Crowder is going to take over the space.

02:07:40.000 So I'm a big fan and I'm really excited to see what happens.

02:07:40.000 I really do.

02:07:43.000 So head over to TimCast.com, become a member.

02:07:44.000 You can follow the show at TimCast.irl.

02:07:46.000 You can follow me at TimCast.

02:07:47.000 Tower Gang guys, you want to shout anything out?

02:07:50.000 Just at Liberty Lockpot on Twitter, got 65K of you over there.

02:07:53.000 That's one of the platforms I'm not afraid of losing.

02:07:56.000 Please go subscribe to Liberty Lockdown on Rumble, and also Tower Gang on Rumble, and last but not least, libertylockdown.locals.com.

02:08:04.000 Also, very final note, Mises Caucus putting together a debate between Dave Smith and Destiny Live in Tennessee, and right now, the B Team, if you will, would be Clint Russell versus Bosch.

02:08:16.000 And Bosch, the gauntlet has been thrown.

02:08:20.000 I challenge you, sir.

02:08:21.000 When is that?

02:08:22.000 He has not.

02:08:22.000 That sounds awesome.

02:08:23.000 This is why I wanted to take the opportunity to throw down the gauntlet.

02:08:26.000 But you say it's already confirmed?

02:08:27.000 It's going to be Dave Smith and Destiny?

02:08:28.000 Well, that's what the Mises Caucus is telling me they have. 0.95

02:08:31.000 I love that.

02:08:32.000 I've been watching a lot of Destiny content.

02:08:34.000 Steve Bonnell.

02:08:34.000 And I just went back and I watched Bosch on here against, who was it?

02:08:38.000 I don't know.

02:08:39.000 Charlie Kirk.

02:08:39.000 Great debate.

02:08:40.000 We're all talking about such important stuff.

02:08:41.000 Charlie Kirk was very impressive.

02:08:42.000 I did not expect that.

02:08:44.000 Oh yes, you can follow me at TopLobster with an A, TopLobster.com.

02:08:49.000 Go to PodcastMerch.com and I also want to just shout out the people that I do work for like Hotep Jesus, Majid Nawaz, Josh Smith with Break the Cycle, Noé José, Liberty Lockdown, Reed Coverdale, all these people.

02:09:00.000 Naturalist Capitalist and yeah, shout out to...

02:09:04.000 God, he's like a brother to me, you know what I'm saying?

02:09:06.000 He's like a brother to us.

02:09:06.000 Luis J Gomez.

02:09:07.000 And check out Tower Gang.

02:09:07.000 Thank you, guys.

02:09:08.000 Maybe we are changed soon.

02:09:10.000 We'll talk.

02:09:10.000 Anyway, my website is lukeuncensored.com.

02:09:13.000 You made a very important point, telling people to specifically vote with their dollar.

02:09:17.000 I've been working my butt off for many years now, building up lukeuncensored.com.

02:09:21.000 I do a lot of videos on there, a lot of AMAs, a lot of giveaways, a lot of meetups, a lot of merchandise.

02:09:25.000 You name it.

02:09:25.000 We got it all at lukeuncensored.com.

02:09:27.000 See you there.

02:09:28.000 Lots of crazy news. 0.99

02:09:29.000 They're bringing in all the prostitutes to Davos. 0.99

02:09:31.000 Lots of craziness to talk about. 0.86

02:09:33.000 We're going to get into that in this after show.

02:09:35.000 I talked about it too, so thanks for having me.

02:09:37.000 Always a pleasure to see you guys.

02:09:38.000 Always a pleasure to host a show for you guys out there listening.

02:09:41.000 Thank you so much for coming and listening.

02:09:42.000 Hit the like button on your way out if you haven't done that yet.

02:09:44.000 And consider subscribing to TimCast.com.

02:09:47.000 I think you did a poll yesterday, and honestly, 24% of the people watching had been subscribed.

02:09:51.000 I was shocked.

02:09:52.000 There's a lot, actually.

02:09:52.000 Yeah, more.

02:09:53.000 Let's get behind the scenes and see what's going on.

02:09:55.000 Ah, love you.

02:09:56.000 And you can follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to.

02:09:58.000 Catch you later.

02:10:00.000 Hey guys, love you too.

02:10:02.000 Love the show.

02:10:03.000 It's been great.

02:10:04.000 I don't feel any animosity towards Tim for hiring me and giving me a job to be able to work here and do all these things.

02:10:10.000 You poor victim, you.

02:10:11.000 Yeah, seriously.

02:10:12.000 I mean, he brought me out of Hollywood.

02:10:13.000 He brought me out of the belly of the beast, so to speak.

02:10:17.000 I'm always grateful.

02:10:18.000 I love this show.

02:10:19.000 I've been a fan of the show since the beginning.

02:10:20.000 I love this program.

02:10:22.000 I love the platform.

02:10:24.000 We're doing a good thing here.

02:10:25.000 I left being in like this totally different world to be able to be here and do what I believe in.

02:10:29.000 Like Tim said, it's an ideological company.

02:10:30.000 You have to support the idea and what we're all standing behind here.

02:10:33.000 So smash that like button, like Ian said, and let's roll the after show.

02:10:39.000 Yeah, I think, you know, if we do get into more of the media stuff, In the members show, I'll try to just spill the beans as much as I can on as much as I can.

02:10:50.000 What I try to avoid doing is just stepping on the toes of people who've not wronged me and have not wronged others.

02:10:56.000 Just because two people have a civil dispute doesn't mean either of them are bad guys.

02:11:00.000 But I'll try and talk about as much as I can with the money and the deals and what we're working on and why we're working on it.

02:11:07.000 There's potential risks.

02:11:08.000 I have people saying, like, don't talk about money someone mentioned.

02:11:10.000 Like, oh no, you're going to get hit pieces because you mentioned revenue streams and stuff.

02:11:13.000 And I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

02:11:15.000 I don't know.

02:11:15.000 Maybe people just deserve to know exactly what's going on and why it's going on.

02:11:18.000 And they can make their informed choices based on that.

02:11:20.000 So let's talk.

02:11:21.000 We'll talk about some numbers and maybe the media will run hit pieces.

02:11:25.000 Head over to TimCast.com, become a member if you want to hear this.

02:11:27.000 And we'll see you all over there.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 18, 2023

Timcast IRL - Steven Crowder ERUPTS On 'Big Con' Over Contract Terms w-Tower Gang Crew

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