Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Texas School Principal SUSPENDED Over Teaching CRT, Parents Furious w-Chloe Valdary

00:00:00.000 A high school principal in Texas has been suspended over accusations that he held quote

00:00:16.000 extreme views on race and was pushing critical race theory.

00:00:20.000 This is another example of parents being outraged over what their kids are being taught or told to do.

00:00:26.000 And as I've stated now probably 50 billion times because we had Bannon on the show and he said he predicted this.

00:00:32.000 We're now seeing more similar things.

00:00:34.000 There's a development in the Loudoun County school protests.

00:00:37.000 More parents are seeking to join a lawsuit over trans pronouns.

00:00:41.000 And that just goes to show, along with mask mandates, critical race theory, and critical gender theory, It's something well beyond one thing, right?

00:00:50.000 You hear from conservatives all the time, it's like, oh, critical race theories in school.

00:00:52.000 I'm like, well, that doesn't explain the protests over masks and the similarity between the, you know, the groups of parents that are for or against these ideas.

00:00:59.000 It's like an overarching culture war or tribalism.

00:01:03.000 So how about we talk about all of this and talk about potential alternatives?

00:01:07.000 And with that, we are being joined by Chloe Valdery.

00:01:10.000 Yes, Valdery.

00:01:10.000 Valdery?

00:01:11.000 I said it wrong.

00:01:12.000 You want to introduce yourself?

00:01:13.000 Hi everyone, I'm Chloe.

00:01:15.000 It's good to be here.

00:01:16.000 I run a really dope startup called Theory of Enchantment.

00:01:20.000 We teach an awesome anti-racism practice that is not critical race theory.

00:01:26.000 So that's what I do for a living and I'm happy to be here.

00:01:29.000 We were having a really awesome conversation about Nazis and World War II Germany and New York and authoritarianism.

00:01:36.000 And I'm just thinking like, we should just do this on the show.

00:01:40.000 It's a really good conversation.

00:01:41.000 And I think this is going to be a fantastic discussion about all of this stuff.

00:01:44.000 Liberty, indoctrination, school.

00:01:47.000 So glad to have you.

00:01:48.000 Thank you for inviting me.

00:01:48.000 Thank you.

00:01:50.000 Absolutely.

00:01:50.000 Happy to be here.

00:01:51.000 It's still summer.

00:01:52.000 Feels like fall.

00:01:53.000 Especially in this room, guys.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, I know.

00:01:55.000 It feels like fall.

00:01:56.000 Chloe and I are wearing our winter jackets.

00:01:59.000 I love it.

00:02:00.000 Happy to be here.

00:02:00.000 Glad you're here, Chloe.

00:02:01.000 Good to see you.

00:02:02.000 And I'm really hoping, now that he's mentioned that, that I survive the evening, because I'm not wearing my winter jacket.

00:02:06.000 But I think we're adjusting the temperature.

00:02:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:09.000 I'm excited to have a nuanced conversation about critical race theory.

00:02:12.000 And I really love the idea of having an alternative to that kind of stuff.

00:02:15.000 So I'm stoked for this evening.

00:02:17.000 Yeah, I think a lot of like there's an interesting thing where they use the phrase anti-racism all the time Yeah, typically referring to like CRT ideas or whatever.

00:02:24.000 Yeah, and I think most people in this country don't like racism So yeah approaching that we had we had Papa John on you know Papa John and he kept saying that he was anti-racist but it sounds like a direct reference to Ibram Kendi and very specific ideologies and more like how do we navigate that so I It'll be fun.

00:02:41.000 We'll jump into all this stuff.

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00:03:25.000 Let's talk about this first story I found particularly interesting from just the other day.

00:03:30.000 CNN reports this Texas high school principal was put on administrative leave after being accused of promoting critical race theory.

00:03:38.000 James Whitfield, principal of Colleyville Heritage High School in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, was placed on leave Monday, a month after a community member at a school board meeting publicly accused him of having extreme views on race and called for him to be fired.

00:03:54.000 Now the school district says he wasn't removed due to complaints by community members.

00:03:59.000 At a July 26th school board meeting, Stetson Clark, a former school board candidate, said he was concerned about the implementation of critical race theory in our district, and named Whitfield as someone with extreme views on race.

00:04:11.000 Because of his extreme views, I ask that a full review of Mr. Whitfield's tenure in our district be examined, and that his contract be terminated effective immediately, Clark said at the meeting.

00:04:20.000 Clark said a friend shared a letter that Whitfield sent to parents and students last year, which Clark claims showed the principal promotes a conspiracy theory of systemic racism.

00:04:32.000 The controversy at the high school and around Whitfield comes as a number of parents and community members across the state have urged that critical race theory not be taught in schools.

00:04:41.000 So this is interesting.

00:04:42.000 We have freedom issues, and we have culture war, you know?

00:04:47.000 You've got a large group of people in this country who want to teach these things to kids.

00:04:51.000 I want to get semantic for a minute.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:53.000 Oh, here we go.

00:04:54.000 Teaching critical race theory, what does that mean?

00:04:56.000 Does that mean that they are teaching it like the philosophy of the critical race theory, like a philosophy of communism course, where they're teaching this as a philosophy?

00:05:04.000 Or are they...

00:05:05.000 Are they critically race-theorally teaching students about whiteness and things as part of the math class?

00:05:14.000 Is it part of the indoctrination of the teachings?

00:05:16.000 That's my question.

00:05:17.000 Yeah, this description sounds very he-said-she-said, so I don't know what to think about this story.

00:05:17.000 What's the difference?

00:05:22.000 And especially when they're even saying, the school, like, he wasn't removed because of the complaints.

00:05:22.000 Right.

00:05:27.000 Yeah.

00:05:28.000 But to go back to what you said real quick, and you can, well, you can agree or disagree.

00:05:33.000 I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

00:05:33.000 Sure.

00:05:34.000 I think there's actually three different views over what it means to teach critical race theory.

00:05:40.000 And depending on the politics of the individual involved and what they're trying to achieve, they'll adhere to one of them.

00:05:45.000 So you have Teaching critical race theory, which is the left always jumps on this one and says no one is reading Derrick Bell and Kimberly Crenshaw to children.

00:05:55.000 This is not happening.

00:05:56.000 Critical race theory is not a book on these schools.

00:05:58.000 No one talked about it.

00:06:00.000 Conservatives aren't making that point.

00:06:01.000 They're making the point more about critical race applied principles.

00:06:05.000 Which is the next two.

00:06:07.000 There is the implementation of the principles, meaning they take action in the schools that are rooted in critical race theory and this idea of inequities and Marxist ideology.

00:06:19.000 So they're actually applying the teachings of critical race theory to the kids and having the kids exist in this environment.

00:06:24.000 And then there's teaching critical race.

00:06:26.000 So that would be critical race praxis, I would say.

00:06:29.000 And then you have the teaching of critical race theory through surreptitious means, whereas in the math questions, they have injected theories of critical race theories, but it's not a quote, right?

00:06:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:41.000 Like, assuming that white people have, or whiteness is a problem, how would you get from point A to point B? 0.58

00:06:47.000 And you're like, they're like inserted as part of the assumption is the part of the theory, the theory is part of the assumption.

00:06:53.000 The example actually was this viral video, viral, sorry, photo, where it showed a picture of like a cartoon of a white guy and a black guy.

00:07:00.000 And it said, you know, Daryl is a white man who gets stopped by police 17 times every year.

00:07:04.000 You know, Daryl is a black man who gets stopped 236.

00:07:06.000 What percentage, you know, so they do things like that.

00:07:10.000 That's very surreptitious.

00:07:11.000 But that's the third one.

00:07:13.000 That's the second one I mentioned, where it's like, they're just putting these ideas into play.

00:07:20.000 I consider that praxis also.

00:07:22.000 Is that praxis?

00:07:23.000 It seems like a type of praxis.

00:07:25.000 That's where they're like teaching the thing, what critical race theory claims, but doing it not through the books.

00:07:32.000 Like you don't know you're learning it.

00:07:33.000 And then what I mean about the third way is when they say things like progressive stack and the teachers are like, I want all the kids to say their race and what they feel and things like that.

00:07:43.000 So there's like differences.

00:07:44.000 So that is the definition of praxis is no one knows that it's happening.

00:07:49.000 You're sneaking it in under the radar.

00:07:51.000 You're not standing in front of the class and reading Derrick Bell and Krimmerly Crenshaw.

00:07:55.000 Crimberly.

00:07:56.000 Crimberly, yeah.

00:07:57.000 But yeah, it's very subtle.

00:07:58.000 It just means theory and practice.

00:08:00.000 Yeah, it's applied.

00:08:00.000 It's exactly what we call it.

00:08:01.000 Critical race, applied principles.

00:08:03.000 That's praxis.

00:08:04.000 And how common do you think the praxis is as opposed to the other?

00:08:11.000 How would you describe the other one where like, so there are stories where the teacher will say, okay, or there's one viral right now where it's like, she put the skin color tabs on a chart.

00:08:22.000 And then like had the kids line up by.

00:08:22.000 Okay.

00:08:25.000 So that's like, I guess they're very similar in a certain way, but that's overt, right?

00:08:29.000 That's when like, hey, we're going to take all the kids and line them up by race.

00:08:33.000 Whereas the secondary one is like the math question implies some critical race is real, but they don't, it's surreptitious.

00:08:39.000 So there's like, I guess it's the subliminal and the superliminal.

00:08:42.000 Yelling it in their face.

00:08:44.000 When it comes to teaching the theory, I don't think it happens that much yet.

00:08:48.000 A nice 10th grade course on the philosophy of critical race theory where you learn about from 1911 or 1920 when it began, and all the things James Lindsay talks about with the history of the theory, that'd be cool.

00:09:00.000 If they knew they were learning it and they were interested in studying it, as opposed to just being told whiteness is a thing when you're 7.

00:09:08.000 I don't know the numbers, though.

00:09:10.000 The classrooms don't have cameras in them.

00:09:11.000 It's kind of disturbing that it's happening in secret.

00:09:14.000 It is kind of crazy to imagine there'd be cameras in classrooms and all the kids are being watched or whatever, but... All these body cams on cops, you know what I'm saying?

00:09:20.000 That brings up another complication.

00:09:22.000 So then we would have another freedom, liberty complication.

00:09:26.000 Well, so what are your thoughts on this?

00:09:30.000 Well, I don't know about this case specifically, because it seems very vague.

00:09:33.000 Let's talk in terms of, like, you know, generalities.

00:09:36.000 Okay.

00:09:36.000 Give me a generality.

00:09:38.000 Should teachers who implement critical race theory or engage in the praxis, should they be fired?

00:09:44.000 Well, it's interesting because if an institution is being inconsistent, meaning if an institution has decided to bring upon a policy where they're teaching this to their staff, and they're saying, you know, this is what is in vogue now, and this is what we're doing, and then, let's say, a new culture cycle occurs, and people rail against it, And from there, teachers who were already in that institution, who were, let's say, inculcated in critical race theory, continue to teach it.

00:10:21.000 It's a bit inconsistent for an institution to sort of switch gears.

00:10:26.000 So I think it's, obviously, this probably didn't happen in Texas with this particular teacher, because schools in Texas, I imagine, aren't teaching critical race theory.

00:10:34.000 So I don't know about this particular case.

00:10:36.000 But for other schools and other states, I think it might be wrong to place the burden upon the teacher if the institution brought this to itself in the first place and then switched gears.

00:10:51.000 But isn't there a deeper problem, I guess, if parents hate this stuff?

00:10:56.000 If you have the average person saying, we don't want this for our kids, how is it that a school comes to be teaching this?

00:11:03.000 Well, that's a larger issue.

00:11:05.000 The institution not actually being in community with its parents and really not even caring about what parents have to say and the input of the parents.

00:11:14.000 And I think that probably goes beyond critical race theory.

00:11:17.000 And it's probably been an issue for a long time.

00:11:19.000 So you have a startup that teaches anti-racism?

00:11:24.000 But define your anti-racism because it's not the same as like Ibram Kendi's, right?

00:11:24.000 Yeah.

00:11:28.000 No.

00:11:29.000 So, Ibram Kendi defines racism as basically the presence of inequity.

00:11:35.000 So, he defines inequity as material outcomes between groups.

00:11:40.000 So, if there's a difference in outcomes between different races, then that's proof of racial inequity and that's proof of racism.

00:11:47.000 Whereas our understanding of racism is psychological.

00:11:50.000 We understand that racism or supremacist ways of thinking occur when an individual or group of people experience some kind of insecurity and then project that insecurity onto others in order to feel worthy.

00:12:02.000 And our approach teaches people how to practice dealing with themselves in a holistic, healthy way so that they will be less likely to overcompensate.

00:12:11.000 Interesting.

00:12:12.000 So what do you think about critical race theory?

00:12:15.000 I know you're not a big fan.

00:12:17.000 I mean, I really don't think about critical race theory, I have to be honest with you.

00:12:20.000 And there are probably many different reasons for that.

00:12:25.000 You know, as I said, I've said this before the show, but I try not to be counter-dependent in my identity because that's also a form of dependence.

00:12:33.000 People tend to think that co-dependence is the only form of dependence, but actually counter-dependence is also a form.

00:12:39.000 So counter-dependence is when your identity is dependent upon countering someone else or something else.

00:12:44.000 I, you know, I'm not a fan of critical race theory because I'm not a fan of post-modernism.

00:12:48.000 I think that there's no transcendence at the heart of post-modernism.

00:12:51.000 I think that post-modernism has a point in that it critiques dominant structures in society which are susceptible to corruption just by nature of being.

00:13:04.000 But the problem is that it becomes parasitic and begins to eat itself and so there's no actual transcendence at the heart of it.

00:13:09.000 So I'm critical of critical theory in general.

00:13:12.000 But I don't really think about critical race theory because I'm just trying to get our anti-racism program out there.

00:13:19.000 If you avoid counter-dependence, why do you say you're anti-racist?

00:13:23.000 This is a great question.

00:13:24.000 I love this question.

00:13:25.000 Because we define racism not as another person or as an analysis of outcome, but as a state of being.

00:13:36.000 Racism is a defect in relational ways of being.

00:13:40.000 You're not relating to yourself properly and you're not relating Do you like meditation and stuff?

00:13:45.000 to be able to counter that presupposes adopting a set of practices, a kind of lifestyle.

00:13:51.000 And I think in that sense, it's less parasitic because at the heart of it,

00:13:55.000 where you're trying to reach is transcendence.

00:13:56.000 Do you like meditation and stuff?

00:13:59.000 Yeah.

00:14:00.000 Oh, cool.

00:14:01.000 Well, how would you define racism then?

00:14:02.000 Again, for me, racism is a kind of relational defect.

00:14:09.000 uh...

00:14:10.000 Um, and it happens when a person is not in the right relationship with themselves.

00:14:15.000 So they're feeling a lack of self-worth or contempt or, um... But so like, how does that present itself in society, for instance, right?

00:14:23.000 So just to clarify, you have, you know, Ibram Kendi's view about unequal outcomes.

00:14:28.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 You have the dictionary definition of prejudice or discrimination, positively or negatively, on the basis of race.

00:14:33.000 Yeah, I would say that we're more of that ladder definition, but we're also more interested in psychological underpinnings of what causes that prejudice, what drives that prejudice in the first place.

00:14:45.000 And where's that prejudice coming from?

00:14:47.000 From, again, a deep psychological perspective.

00:14:49.000 So like, if a guy was walking down the street in LA and He kicked a piece of the sidewalk that was up and busted his toe and was like, ah, who's supposed to fix these sidewalks and looks?

00:14:59.000 And it's like, I bet it was this race of people and looks.

00:15:01.000 And those workers in the city tend to be percentagely, mostly a certain race.

00:15:06.000 And then they're like, I knew it.

00:15:07.000 It's that race.

00:15:09.000 That person is not well with himself.

00:15:10.000 And then you'd have to go deep into their individual psychology.

00:15:13.000 Just like what happened to you when you were a kid?

00:15:15.000 Why are you blaming people for kicking?

00:15:17.000 What's going on here?

00:15:18.000 There's something else going on here.

00:15:21.000 So here's my issue, right, with the reason why I do, you know, think critical race theory is bad.

00:15:26.000 Or, I should say, critical race... I mean, I also think it's bad, by the way. 1.00

00:15:30.000 I'm just not... The reason I do focus on it is because I think it's overt racism.

00:15:35.000 Yeah, but again, that's the beauty of it.

00:15:39.000 That's what we ultimately tackle.

00:15:40.000 Because it doesn't matter whether you're black or white, you could be feeling some kind of weird self-worth issues and project, and it can manifest in different ways, but that's ultimately what's at the heart of it.

00:15:51.000 So in a way we're kind of addressing critical race theory also.

00:15:54.000 I love that!

00:15:55.000 Yeah, because when you think about these young people and their animosity and the things they project, you know, it's rooted in this misunderstanding of what race is and then a projected anger towards a certain race.

00:16:07.000 So when I look at critical race theory and applied principles, I think they're overtly racist.

00:16:13.000 They want, they certainly against Asian people who are a small minority in this country, but yes, also against white 0.79

00:16:18.000 people.

00:16:19.000 They blame someone else.

00:16:21.000 But many passionate critical race theorists are white. So what do you think is going on with that?

00:16:25.000 Well, I think it's a lot of these people, it's tribal. 0.96

00:16:30.000 So Ibram Kendi, for instance.

00:16:33.000 Yeah.

00:16:34.000 His belief is basically that if there's a law or policy that creates an unequal outcome based on race, it's a racist, systemically racist policy.

00:16:42.000 Yet when it comes to New York's vaccine mandates, which disproportionately impact black people in New York, he's nowhere to be found.

00:16:48.000 Yeah.

00:16:48.000 Because his whole thing is actually more, you know, I'll put it this way.

00:16:53.000 I would say, I think he believes a lot of what he says.

00:16:56.000 Yeah, I think so too.

00:16:58.000 I think he's sitting there going, yeah, but I'm not going to challenge this one instance where it's happening because the people who pay me also like that too.

00:17:06.000 I don't know, but what I'm wondering is, I get all that, but you just said critical race theorists are tribal and they're anti-white people, but a lot of the people who buy into this are white.

00:17:17.000 So what's going on there?

00:17:21.000 They're tribalistically espousing an ideology regardless of their own race.

00:17:26.000 And in fact, they say things like, as a white person, I recognize these things because they care more about what their tribe says than about who they are, what they experience, and what the actual problems are.

00:17:36.000 So what is their tribe?

00:17:37.000 Who is their tribe?

00:17:38.000 Who belongs to their tribe? 0.67

00:17:40.000 So in the culture war, it's very strange, but there is very overarching tribal factions.

00:17:46.000 There's the left and the right, but that doesn't actually get to the heart of what the factions are.

00:17:51.000 So Bill Maher is considered to be kind of in the left, but he's kind of in the middle of the culture war because he's very anti-woke.

00:17:58.000 He's very critical of the booster shots, but he despises Trump.

00:18:02.000 And so he's kind of in the middle.

00:18:04.000 On the right, you actually have liberals, people who are economically left.

00:18:09.000 So it's all scrambled.

00:18:11.000 Yes, but it may actually just be authoritarian versus libertarian in a large way, not completely.

00:18:18.000 Because you certainly have people on the right who are authoritarian, who are, you know, defying critical race theory, you know what I mean?

00:18:25.000 But there's like a big component of it is authoritarian versus libertarian.

00:18:30.000 It may have a lot to do with individualist versus collectivist, but again, not absolute because there are elements of the fringe far right, ultra, you know, Nationalists, they're collectivists to a certain degree.

00:18:43.000 So it really is hard to figure it out, but I would say it's kind of like yin-yang, you know what I mean?

00:18:49.000 It's not like there's two equal spaces that are opposing each other.

00:18:53.000 It's like they actually swirl around and have similarities and differences.

00:18:57.000 When I look at Kendi and I look at Rob and D'Angelo, Yeah.

00:19:03.000 but also just the democratic party there's something that's very you know

00:19:05.000 very obvious in that there's a substantive lack of principle substantial lack of

00:19:10.000 principles and you know to all shot shout out texas for instance for

00:19:14.000 instance they did the the the heartbeat bill

00:19:17.000 and all of a sudden we have people screaming my body my choice

00:19:19.000 OK.

00:19:20.000 Once again, I'll throw back to New York.

00:19:20.000 Yeah.

00:19:21.000 I'm like, yo, what about them mandating vaccines?

00:19:24.000 Because I'm pro-choice.

00:19:25.000 You know, even though I don't like abortion, I think it's bad. 0.87

00:19:27.000 And I agree with a lot of conservatives on their on their suppositions.

00:19:31.000 The problem is the government intervening for medical reasons.

00:19:34.000 And it's like a very scary.

00:19:36.000 Getting into nuance is difficult.

00:19:37.000 But I look at Texas and I'm like, yeah, I understand the exemptions.

00:19:41.000 I don't like having to go to the government for a medical, you know, something that has to do with a very serious, embarrassing, humiliating or troubling medical procedure.

00:19:48.000 I'm gonna say the same thing about New York City, but all of a sudden now I see this establishment and this like left

00:19:53.000 faction in the culture war has no interest in defending bodily autonomy or racist policy, which is the vaccine

00:20:00.000 mandate in New York City.

00:20:01.000 So when it comes to throw it back to what we were talking about, the overwhelming amount of white people who are anti 0.91

00:20:06.000 white.

00:20:07.000 I think it's mostly because they don't care about the ideas.

00:20:11.000 If they did, my buddy, my choice would mean Vax Mandate's too. 0.77

00:20:15.000 What they care about is just being part of a collective that vies for power.

00:20:20.000 It kind of, it makes me think of self-flagellation, like a religious, because we tend to talk about a metaphor like this sort of religion.

00:20:26.000 There's this lack of religion in society.

00:20:28.000 So we've kind of, some people have adopted a new faith and People would beat themselves on the back with whips and stuff as part of this self-flagellation.

00:20:35.000 Like, I'm suffering.

00:20:37.000 Original sin.

00:20:37.000 I'm so horrible.

00:20:38.000 I'm a sinner. 0.61

00:20:39.000 I must punish myself so that I'm not punished in hell or whatever.

00:20:42.000 And I think these people kind of have that same self-punishment mindset.

00:20:46.000 I don't know if this self-flagellation is just part of the human psyche that needs to be agitated from time to time or something.

00:20:52.000 I think there's a few different things.

00:20:53.000 Definitely.

00:20:53.000 It's like working out, you know?

00:20:54.000 A few different things happening here.

00:20:55.000 Some of these people, the less prominent white people who are anti-white, probably don't

00:20:55.000 Okay.

00:21:00.000 actually care, but they're scared.

00:21:03.000 They want to fit in.

00:21:04.000 There are several prominent activists who were always on the left, but the left as of

00:21:09.000 today is fundamentally different from the left of 10 years ago.

00:21:12.000 So my favorite shoutout is to Rap News by Juice Media.

00:21:16.000 They had a video 10 years ago, if it was end of 2010, where, oh man, it's almost 11 years ago now, where they say, you know, Hillary Clinton is bad, Alex Jones is calling out the commie Nazi fascists, the Democrats and the Republicans, the establishment are trying to turn back the clock on freedom of speech and all that stuff, and I'm like, wow, if you were to make that today, you'd be a Trump supporter.

00:21:38.000 If you said Hillary Clinton is bad and we need free speech, Julian Assange is good,

00:21:42.000 and Alex Jones is speaking the truth, that was 10 years ago.

00:21:45.000 That was the left.

00:21:46.000 Yeah.

00:21:47.000 So there's been this very serious shift. A lot of people all of a sudden are just like,

00:21:51.000 Jay Leno said it the other day. A story came out, Jay Leno said,

00:21:55.000 either you get in line with the woke or die.

00:21:58.000 Do you think that's true?

00:22:00.000 No, absolutely not.

00:22:03.000 I mean, if you want to be Jay Leno and be on TV, yes.

00:22:07.000 Right?

00:22:08.000 We're lucky enough that there exists an economic space where this show can function.

00:22:11.000 But if the internet didn't exist, these conversations would be happening in secret.

00:22:15.000 But if the internet didn't exist, would any of this be happening?

00:22:21.000 Probably not.

00:22:22.000 So, it's a double-edged sword.

00:22:25.000 But to be fair, something else would be happening, right?

00:22:27.000 War, for instance.

00:22:28.000 Iraq War.

00:22:28.000 The lies in the media.

00:22:32.000 So it's factions emerge out of the chaos.

00:22:36.000 We narrowly avoided 1984 because we had the internet.

00:22:38.000 The whole like never ending war overseas where it's a different enemy.

00:22:41.000 And then now you're fighting a different enemy one day.

00:22:43.000 And all of a sudden, 20 years later, they're like, and now we've always been at war with your Eastern, you know, did you ever read 1984? 0.75

00:22:49.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 And so we that would have been Afghanistan and Iraq.

00:22:52.000 But since we had the internet, we saw it all.

00:22:54.000 We're like, nope.

00:22:55.000 Just to mention, so the first group I think are people who are scared.

00:22:57.000 I shouldn't say the first group, but there's a group of people who are scared and they'll just be like, whatever you say, leave me out of it.

00:23:02.000 Then you have true believers who are just white people who are like, wow, I can't believe this is what, you know, has really happened and I'm woke, I've awakened to the world. 0.56

00:23:09.000 Then you have grifters. 0.96

00:23:11.000 I genuinely think Robin DiAngelo is a grifter.

00:23:14.000 You don't think she believes what she's writing?

00:23:16.000 Absolutely not.

00:23:17.000 Okay, why don't you think she believes it?

00:23:19.000 I think fundamentally her ideology, at least the way she espouses it, is absolutely contradictory.

00:23:26.000 So if you are a white person who believes white people should step back... But plenty of people believe contradictory things.

00:23:33.000 Yeah.

00:23:33.000 Yeah, I know.

00:23:34.000 Genuinely.

00:23:34.000 And so that's a cognitive dissonance where I will challenge someone's, you know, whether they actually believe something.

00:23:40.000 And boy, do people go nuts when they realize it.

00:23:44.000 One example of the difference between me and someone like that is I had been saying for a while that, I think if a business wants to mandate vaccines, depending on the scale of that business, I think it's actually fine because I don't want to impose my will on a mom-and-pop shop where it's like an older guy and he's like, look, I'm hiring two or three people.

00:24:00.000 I want them to be vaccinated.

00:24:01.000 I'm like, I don't want to infringe on the rights of just a regular working class dude.

00:24:05.000 Yeah.

00:24:05.000 Then, a week later, I said, it is the people of New York who are upholding the edict, making this happen.

00:24:12.000 If the regular people said no to the mandates, all of this would stop, and then I said, well certainly both of those ideas can't be true, so perhaps it's wrong for businesses to mandate their employees get the vaccine.

00:24:21.000 Okay.

00:24:21.000 As opposed to what we see with the, you know, My Body, My Choice people, where they completely just say, F you, I'm not gonna argue about New York, it doesn't exist to me, or they won't even bring it up.

00:24:30.000 Yeah, but I don't think that makes a person a grifter.

00:24:32.000 Not to be semantical.

00:24:35.000 I just, I, that doesn't make you a grifter.

00:24:37.000 I suppose, I suppose I can then say about D'Angelo is that based on what I've heard from her and seen from her, I just believe she's lying.

00:24:45.000 Like I do not feel that what she says is genuine.

00:24:45.000 Okay.

00:24:47.000 I have no idea.

00:24:49.000 So fair enough.

00:24:50.000 Yeah.

00:24:50.000 I mean, it's all trying to read people, I guess.

00:24:54.000 Yeah.

00:24:55.000 And I think she had a hard, hard childhood.

00:24:59.000 And I think that plays a huge role.

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:25:01.000 Elaborate.

00:25:02.000 Well, I read in passing somewhere that she, her father wasn't in the picture, abandoned the family.

00:25:07.000 She grew up in going from like moving constantly and also her mother was sort of incompetent and she dealt with issues of abandonment and identity issues at a very young age.

00:25:19.000 And I am like, I have almost no doubt that that is playing a huge role in, in all of this.

00:25:26.000 So it's possible she's just not that smart.

00:25:30.000 Or, and or, it's possible that she is spiritually suffering, and this is how it's manifesting.

00:25:35.000 High intelligence, but with a lot of pain.

00:25:37.000 That's a very dangerous recipe, too.

00:25:38.000 I don't think she displays high intelligence.

00:25:40.000 Anakin Skywalker.

00:25:42.000 Well, so how do you deal with that?

00:25:43.000 You have very prominent people, very wealthy people, and big institutions that are implementing these ideas at an ever-escalating rate of, you know, Well, I think one of the ways you deal with it is you guard yourself as much as possible from falling prey to some of the shortcomings and I guess blind spots.

00:26:13.000 But you don't do that simply by propositional exposition of facts, who's right, who's wrong, but you actually do it by recognizing the complexity of the human condition, your capacity to fall prey to that, your capacity to become susceptible to that way of thinking, and giving yourself the practices required to not fall prey to it, because it's so easy to fall prey to it, in a way.

00:26:40.000 What are some of those practices?

00:26:42.000 Meditation, for sure.

00:26:45.000 Shadow work, like Carl Jung's philosophy.

00:26:47.000 What's that?

00:26:48.000 Shadow work is when you recognize what's triggering your ego.

00:26:53.000 Usually our egos are triggered by other people when they're doing something that we don't like, and that thing is present within us. 0.98

00:27:01.000 Now, there's a difference between saying to a person, your behavior is reckless, your behavior is problematic, and saying to that same person who engaged in that reckless behavior that you're trash. 0.68

00:27:12.000 Those are two very different things. 0.86

00:27:13.000 Once you start engaging in the latter kind of vocabulary, you set yourself up on a pedestal.

00:27:19.000 And you set yourself up as better than that person.

00:27:22.000 As if that behavior is foreign to you.

00:27:25.000 As if you're not capable of engaging in that same behavior.

00:27:28.000 And you've actually started down the path of supremacist ways of thinking.

00:27:31.000 In the literal sense, you think that you are supreme.

00:27:34.000 You think that you're superior to that person.

00:27:36.000 So you do shadow work by, you can do it in many ways, but one of the ways you can do it is noticing when your ego is triggered and recognizing how the behavior that someone else engaged in or the impulse that someone else is operating out of is also existing within you.

00:27:52.000 And you'll see that same behavior the next time.

00:27:54.000 You'll still say it's reckless and problematic, but your ego won't be triggered by it.

00:27:58.000 So you'll be less likely to other that person when you critique that person.

00:28:02.000 And then I would imagine your criticism will be more likely to be taken by them.

00:28:06.000 Exactly.

00:28:07.000 They'll be able to receive it, more likely to receive it.

00:28:09.000 There's no guaranteed anything, but there will be more likely to receive it.

00:28:12.000 Sounds like we just need to replace CRT with philosophy in these schools.

00:28:16.000 Yes.

00:28:16.000 Self-reflection.

00:28:17.000 Yeah.

00:28:18.000 I mean, that's our motto.

00:28:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:21.000 So instead, I think what we end up getting is too many people in the United States don't want to be involved in any of this.

00:28:29.000 Fighting is hard.

00:28:29.000 Yeah.

00:28:31.000 It's taxing.

00:28:32.000 And I think you can look to the animal kingdom.

00:28:33.000 Fighting is never the first choice.

00:28:35.000 So here's something interesting.

00:28:37.000 The aggression of an animal can be determined on where it lives or where it operates.

00:28:42.000 So burrowing animals, for instance.

00:28:45.000 When you encounter them in a burrow, they will fight you.

00:28:47.000 They're aggressive.

00:28:48.000 They have one dimension to move in.

00:28:51.000 So there's no escaping.

00:28:52.000 Birds don't attack you because birds can just leave.

00:28:54.000 And leaving is way easier.

00:28:57.000 So what ends up happening for regular people is that there are vested interests in spreading CRT and its ideology.

00:29:03.000 There's money to be made for sure.

00:29:05.000 There are true believers.

00:29:07.000 There are people who are scared of just going along with it thinking they'll fit in.

00:29:10.000 And then corporations say, look, this is what's on social media.

00:29:13.000 We think this plays well.

00:29:15.000 You know, we don't want to rock the boat.

00:29:17.000 And then it creates this social pressure where over time people are just like, I don't want a fight.

00:29:23.000 So they give in to the most aggressive ideology.

00:29:26.000 And that leads us down a very, very dark and authoritarian path.

00:29:28.000 But then that thing actually blows up in their faces.

00:29:30.000 And then they come call us.

00:29:32.000 No, but, I mean... In many cases.

00:29:34.000 They've brought in CRT into the staff, into the training of their people.

00:29:40.000 It wreaks havoc in the workplace.

00:29:43.000 And then they have to start all over again.

00:29:44.000 Do you have any specific examples?

00:29:45.000 Like a story?

00:29:46.000 You don't have to name the companies or anything like that, but do you want to give us an example?

00:29:51.000 I mean, I can just tell you, in general, we do demo interviews with companies all the time, and they report back to us.

00:29:59.000 It's a very simple script that they report back to us, and it's repeated all the time.

00:30:04.000 We brought in this very typical approach to diversity and inclusion training, and it did not go over well, and now we are trying to figure out what to do, and we heard you on some podcasts.

00:30:18.000 That is the life cycle, in many cases.

00:30:21.000 Just like what happened in specifically like like people were self segregated.

00:30:25.000 The diversity consultant told them to segregate themselves based upon race.

00:30:28.000 A lot of people don't like that.

00:30:29.000 Oh, yeah, that's standard.

00:30:31.000 That's standard.

00:30:32.000 The consultant tells them or just assumes the lived experiences of all these people based upon skin color.

00:30:38.000 A lot of people black and white don't like that.

00:30:40.000 So I wouldn't underestimate the amount of rumblings that may be happening in these companies, even though they're not necessarily, you're not necessarily seeing that on Twitter, but it's definitely happening.

00:30:53.000 That makes me laugh and it kind of makes me happy.

00:30:55.000 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 Like to hear that the things that we see as bad for the reasons we see it as bad are being reported back to you as that they are bad and they don't work.

00:31:04.000 And it's like, it's like vindicating.

00:31:04.000 Yes.

00:31:06.000 Yeah.

00:31:06.000 But it's also cool that you guys can come in and kind of fix that.

00:31:09.000 Yeah, try to.

00:31:11.000 So what advice would you give?

00:31:12.000 How do you work with a company that contacts you?

00:31:15.000 So we have online courses, but we also have workshops.

00:31:18.000 Ultimately, we are a startup, and we're trying to get to the place where we can create a suite of practices for organizations.

00:31:27.000 So, you know, a one-time workshop.

00:31:30.000 And our workshops are pretty dope, I have to say.

00:31:32.000 But it's like a full-day workshop, and that doesn't translate into sustainable practice.

00:31:37.000 It's just not the nature of a workshop.

00:31:39.000 So what we want to ultimately do is get our stuff into, as of training, into the learning management systems of corporations so that when they're onboarding their employees they can use our practices, eventually be able to service them with some of our coaches who can check in to make sure they're doing those self-awareness practices throughout the months, weeks, quarters, etc.

00:32:02.000 So, ultimately, we want people to start practicing.

00:32:05.000 I mean, the emphasis is on the practice.

00:32:08.000 I had a conversation recently with someone who was talking about policy and they were like, we wrote a statement, because this is also very popular, as I'm sure you know, like, let's make a statement about how we are super anti-racist and we'll And I'm like, that's not a policy.

00:32:24.000 That's a statement.

00:32:25.000 A policy is a set of practices that an institution operates according to.

00:32:30.000 So we can have a long-term conversation about what those practices should look like, again, with the objective of affording that sense of self-awareness, not overcompensating for your insecurities, creating a culture of belonging.

00:32:45.000 We can actually talk about how to create those practices, but this is not a policy.

00:32:50.000 It's just a statement.

00:32:52.000 I remember that famous George Carlin sketch where he just goes on stage and says every single racial slur he can think of, and then he actually calls Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor the N-word, which like- Before my time.

00:33:03.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it was like early 90s.

00:33:04.000 How old are you?

00:33:05.000 I'm 28.

00:33:05.000 Oh, okay, so maybe...

00:33:08.000 I was probably too young to watch.

00:33:09.000 watchers. But it might have been like 94.

00:33:12.000 I was one years old. Right.

00:33:13.000 Exactly. But, you know, even even when I see that, I'm like, wow, I can't believe he would even jokingly say that about

00:33:20.000 these guys.

00:33:21.000 Yeah. But everyone in the crowd laughs.

00:33:23.000 Yeah. There was no big controversy over him doing it because the point he was making when he said it was that

00:33:27.000 you need to understand the person behind the words because the words themselves don't affect you.

00:33:32.000 Sticks and stones, etc.

00:33:34.000 So I made that up because I wonder, in a lot of these corporate settings, someone might say an off-color joke, you know, without the intent to actually demean someone.

00:33:44.000 But then someone might get offended by triggering these sessions.

00:33:44.000 Yeah.

00:33:47.000 Yeah.

00:33:47.000 Well, I don't, I don't think that's what's triggering.

00:33:50.000 Primarily.

00:33:51.000 You don't think so?

00:33:51.000 No.

00:33:52.000 Like we've heard stories about people who are like, oh, I said a joke at work and now they're making me go to like a diversity training.

00:33:56.000 I think that companies are conservative and they're like, oh, we don't want you to sue us, so that's why they're doing that.

00:34:03.000 I don't think it's driven by any real thing.

00:34:06.000 No, I completely agree with you.

00:34:07.000 I just mean like, uh-oh, someone said a naughty word, we might get sued, quick, put them in a diversity training to protect ourselves.

00:34:14.000 Yeah, but I don't think, I agree, but unfortunately or fortunately, whatever, the end of critical race theory doesn't solve for that problem, because institutions will always be like that.

00:34:23.000 Right.

00:34:23.000 Not to mention, CRT segregates people, which I think makes that worse.

00:34:27.000 Yeah.

00:34:27.000 Well, it does make it worse.

00:34:28.000 Yeah.

00:34:29.000 Oh, good.

00:34:30.000 Little fact.

00:34:30.000 Objectively.

00:34:31.000 George Carlin did that seven words you can never say on TV in 1972.

00:34:34.000 Oh, so I definitely was not born.

00:34:36.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:34:37.000 On Class Clown.

00:34:38.000 I'm not talking about seven words.

00:34:39.000 That's the first album.

00:34:39.000 Oh, you're talking about something different.

00:34:41.000 I'm talking about in the early 90s, George Carlin has a routine where he says like a hundred racial slurs.

00:34:45.000 He repeated this act over and over through the years, and I think he developed it.

00:34:50.000 The bit he did on racism was, The word doesn't matter.

00:34:54.000 It's the racist a-hole behind the word you gotta watch out for.

00:34:57.000 Because he's like, I can say, and then he says, you might be a, and then he just starts saying racial slur. 0.55

00:35:02.000 That might be dirty words.

00:35:03.000 He's done a bunch of this kind of stuff.

00:35:05.000 It's not the seven words you can't say.

00:35:06.000 It is a bit from the early nineties.

00:35:07.000 And then he ends by calling Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy the N-word.

00:35:10.000 And I'm like, wow.

00:35:12.000 But so I bring this up too because I'm just curious as to the way, uh, I have people who make Asian jokes, you know, at me throughout my whole life.

00:35:21.000 And I think they're hilarious.

00:35:23.000 Because I know my friends are just like ribbing on me or, uh, the, you know, they're just making fun of the stereotypes and the absurdity and it doesn't affect me because I'm secure in who I am.

00:35:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:33.000 And I'm just like, oh, that's a funny, funny thing.

00:35:35.000 Like if there's a stereotype about Asian people and then I ended up doing something and then people point that out, I'll be like, ah, geez, you know, it's like, it's fun.

00:35:42.000 I'm only a quarter Korean, part Japanese and Korean.

00:35:44.000 But I'm curious as to what would your approach be in circumstances where someone might be like, someone made a racist joke, I'm upset about it.

00:35:52.000 Honestly, that's my honest question.

00:35:52.000 I don't know.

00:35:54.000 It really depends on the context and situational details.

00:35:58.000 I do think it's interesting that they just took down the first episode of The Office.

00:36:02.000 It was the first episode?

00:36:04.000 I think so.

00:36:05.000 Fact check me on that.

00:36:07.000 Yeah, which I saw coming.

00:36:10.000 I saw it coming.

00:36:12.000 Unfortunately, no one asked for this, but here we are.

00:36:16.000 Is it the first one?

00:36:20.000 I'm not pulling up Snopes on this.

00:36:22.000 No way.

00:36:23.000 Alright, so here we have it from Metro.

00:36:25.000 Are you a big fan of The Office?

00:36:28.000 Yeah, especially that episode.

00:36:30.000 Central removes Diversity Day episode from schedule. Are you a big fan of The Office?

00:36:34.000 Yeah, especially that episode. That is one of the most brilliant episodes of The Office.

00:36:39.000 So they say Diversity Day is the second installment of the first season,

00:36:43.000 second installment of The Office US, and follows Michael as he forces the

00:36:48.000 staff at Dunder Mifflin to undergo a racial diversity seminar.

00:36:51.000 A consultant, Larry Wilmore, arrives to teach staff about tolerance and diversity, but Michael insists on imparting his own knowledge, aggravating both the consultant and the entire office staff, and creates his own diversity seminar.

00:37:03.000 He eventually assigns each staff member an index card with a different race on it, causing tempers to slowly simmer until they finally snap. 0.97

00:37:10.000 Comedy Central is removing diversity episode from the rotation is so corporate and stupid. 0.98

00:37:10.000 So what do they say? 0.98

00:37:16.000 Why was it removed though?

00:37:17.000 They said they say it was taken down.

00:37:20.000 They don't really explain exactly why it was taken down or was there an official statement or anything.

00:37:24.000 Just says video unavailable.

00:37:27.000 Did you hear like why it was removed or what the reason was?

00:37:30.000 They say from time to time they'll not play certain episodes in rotation from time to time.

00:37:35.000 I mean I It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out why this is... Listen, maybe there's something we don't know.

00:37:41.000 We can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I suspect it is the reason that we think it is.

00:37:47.000 That is a funny episode.

00:37:48.000 It's such a great episode!

00:37:52.000 It's tough to say because when it comes to comedy, if you're making someone the butt of the joke, that in general is kind of hard for me to swallow.

00:37:58.000 I get kind of like...

00:38:00.000 Why would you hurt that person to get a laugh? 1.00

00:38:02.000 Michael Scott is a ridiculous human being. 1.00

00:38:05.000 That's the whole point. 1.00

00:38:06.000 You see an idiot making mistakes. 1.00

00:38:08.000 That's the point of that show. 1.00

00:38:09.000 And you also learn to fall in love with that idiot. 1.00

00:38:15.000 That's the whole point. 1.00

00:38:17.000 See, this is why I ultimately think so much that's happening with regards to critical race theory, broadly speaking, is going to lead to the death.

00:38:26.000 Well, hopefully not the death.

00:38:29.000 A suppression of art and the arts.

00:38:32.000 And we at Theory of Enchantment use the arts to teach everything.

00:38:36.000 So like if you enroll in our online course, we use philosophy and music and poetry and film to actually teach people our three main principles.

00:38:50.000 Because we know that the purpose of the arts is to remind people of the complexity of the human experience.

00:38:56.000 As opposed to, in my opinion, politics these days which reduces and stereotypes and caricatures human beings to one label or the other.

00:39:04.000 The entire purpose of the arts is to be expansive and so I'm not surprised if in fact this is the reason why that happened with the office.

00:39:13.000 I'm not surprised because that is the inevitable, that's the logical conclusion and what's ultimately ironic about this is that that means that a lot of things that are coming out of critical race theory or critical race theory light or whatever you want to call it are ultimately antithetical to the african-american ethos and that is one of the greatest scandals that no one is talking about what do you mean the african-american ethos what is that like so there's a great author albert murray who wrote this book the omni americans or alternatives to the folklore of white supremacy he wrote it in like the 70s or something like that he was this really dope jazz critic

00:39:47.000 And he talked about how within African-American culture there is what he calls a kind of idiomatic expression which he defines as impromptu heroism culture.

00:39:58.000 Another synonym of this is the hero's journey.

00:40:01.000 So if you're familiar with like Joseph Campbell or Carl Jung and that sort of thing.

00:40:06.000 And he talks about how in jazz as an art form and in There's this philosophy that affords musicians the ability not only to literally play with the music, but metaphorically, play with anything that life brings them.

00:40:23.000 Both the negative potential and the positive potential.

00:40:27.000 And that is a part of the artistic art form that is central to African-American culture.

00:40:32.000 And so once you start going down the path of the death of metaphor, the death of context, and all of these things, you're talking about the death of art, and you're talking about the death of something very central to African-American life.

00:40:46.000 I love this about jazz is because you'll start on a note, you're in a key, and you'll hit all the wrong notes that aren't in the right key, and then you'll end on the right note in the key, And that's like the hero's journey.

00:40:56.000 All the mistakes along the way and then you're- Which are necessary!

00:41:00.000 Which are necessary.

00:41:01.000 There's this recording I was listening to recently of Norm Macdonald.

00:41:05.000 He was on a radio show apparently with like a woke producer or radio host.

00:41:10.000 Or maybe she's just one of those people who's like, I'm just gonna say what I'm supposed to say because I'm on the radio and it went cancelled.

00:41:14.000 And Norm Macdonald, have you ever listened to this guy?

00:41:17.000 I don't think so.

00:41:18.000 I mean, I know of him, but I don't think I've heard of him.

00:41:20.000 He's got this thing where he talks in a very slow and blunt way, and that's how he drives his comedy.

00:41:28.000 So he's talking to her and he goes, you two might get mad at me, but I'm quoting Norman Donald.

00:41:32.000 Oh no, is this one of these?

00:41:34.000 No, no, no. 1.00

00:41:35.000 He says, black people are poorer than white people, and poor people are dangerous. 1.00

00:41:41.000 And he was quoting information, right? 1.00

00:41:43.000 That's what he says.

00:41:44.000 And then the host goes, no, oh, whoa, whoa, you can't say that.

00:41:47.000 No, no.

00:41:48.000 And he was like, what do you mean?

00:41:50.000 And she's like, you can't say that about black people. 0.95

00:41:52.000 And he goes, you think black people are richer than white people? 0.88

00:41:56.000 No, no, I'm not saying that. 0.99

00:41:57.000 And he goes, poor people commit crimes.

00:42:00.000 That's what they keep saying, isn't it?

00:42:01.000 He's like, I don't think, I think systemic racism is a real thing.

00:42:04.000 And that means you, and so the way he said it.

00:42:07.000 Yeah.

00:42:08.000 Shocked and offended people they started getting calls and people were calling in like you can't say that you know I went to school with two black people and they were they were way richer than I was and then he goes Yeah, and a guy in a wheelchair could probably be faster than me but if I said I'm typically faster than people in wheelchairs I'd be telling you the truth. 0.99

00:42:26.000 Yeah And so what I found really fascinating about what he said when he said that is, we often hear from the critical race theorists things like, systemic racism is a real problem, which creates generational wealth gaps, which results in a disproportionate amount of black people being impoverished relative to white people.

00:42:42.000 However, there are more white people who are impoverished.

00:42:45.000 Then they say poverty breeds crime.

00:42:47.000 And actually, my understanding is it's all true, right?

00:42:51.000 Crime isn't based on race.

00:42:53.000 It's based on poverty levels.

00:42:54.000 Circumstances.

00:42:56.000 But when Norm Macdonald just says it that way, it actually made them argue against him because the way he said it was so blunt, it came off as kind of offensive or racist, you know what I mean?

00:43:06.000 I don't know, I was curious about it when you had mentioned something before the jazz thing came and kind of threw me off track.

00:43:12.000 That's what jazz does. 0.93

00:43:13.000 That's right.

00:43:14.000 You'll be back though.

00:43:16.000 In talking about like, you're making comment about diversity trainings and like critical race theory and it's like removing... Arts.

00:43:25.000 The arts.

00:43:26.000 Fundamentally.

00:43:27.000 That is my biggest issue with it.

00:43:29.000 I guess the reason I wanted to bring up this Norm Macdonald thing is that I think it shows that there's something about the way you say things.

00:43:37.000 It's less to do with what the idea is for a lot of these people who are claiming to be, like, anti-racist or whatever.

00:43:43.000 That the way Norm Macdonald could come out and say this offended people.

00:43:47.000 So you think if he would have said it differently, it wouldn't have offended people?

00:43:50.000 Absolutely.

00:43:51.000 I think if Norm Macdonald said, you know one of the challenges we face is systemic racism, which has resulted in a disproportionate amount of the black community being impoverished.

00:44:00.000 And then you find that racists blame them when the poverty leads to crime.

00:44:04.000 And people say, oh yes, I agree with that.

00:44:06.000 That's very intelligent.

00:44:07.000 But when Norm Macdonald, the regular guy, is like, says what he said, they're like, whoa, whoa, you can't say that.

00:44:13.000 And all of a sudden, like, their own idea brought back to them, like, from a mirror of a regular guy is all of a sudden now offensive.

00:44:19.000 But in a different form.

00:44:22.000 Is he intentionally offensive?

00:44:23.000 Does he aim, does he try to offend people?

00:44:25.000 Well, yes, but in this capacity, I think it's just who he is.

00:44:29.000 Okay.

00:44:30.000 It's like he's the kind of guy who's just gonna whittle it down very basically, and then he was kind of shocked that they were like, you can't say that.

00:44:38.000 No, he was like, what do you mean?

00:44:40.000 He's like, we say it all the time.

00:44:42.000 Like, what?

00:44:43.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:44:44.000 That's art.

00:44:45.000 I mean, they say often, I've heard, that people, when they think back, they remember how you made them feel.

00:44:50.000 They don't necessarily remember what you said.

00:44:52.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:44:53.000 There's another George Carlin bit where he talks about the changing of language.

00:44:58.000 He said, we used to say shell shock.

00:45:01.000 That when people go to war, they would come back with shell shock.

00:45:03.000 Wait, I think I remember this.

00:45:04.000 I think I've seen this one.

00:45:05.000 And then he's like, now we say post-traumatic stress disorder.

00:45:08.000 And that's interesting because the way you say something could be offensive to someone regardless of the idea you're trying to convey.

00:45:15.000 For sure.

00:45:16.000 It also depends upon that person's state of mind, which is why it's complicated to put all the onus on the person who is presumably giving offense.

00:45:26.000 It could be that a person is actually empty inside, and so because they're empty inside, they will take everything to offense because they have low self-esteem.

00:45:36.000 I think we see that very prominently among the woke, the establishment left.

00:45:44.000 I think they're very insecure, and that's why they tend to be more collectivist.

00:45:49.000 Do you think more insecure people are collectivists?

00:45:52.000 Yes.

00:45:53.000 What's the relationship between collectivism and insecurity?

00:45:55.000 Finding validation from someone else instead of themselves.

00:45:58.000 Well, but let me ask you this question.

00:45:59.000 Don't you think there's a hyper-individualistic problem within America?

00:46:03.000 Or do you think that?

00:46:05.000 So I'm trying to see what the balance is between hyper-atomization of the individual and collectivism.

00:46:15.000 So I would say, I think there is a problem with individualism in the United States.

00:46:21.000 And it forms itself in that nobody's willing to stand up for a common set of values.

00:46:26.000 They're like, look, I can't lose my job.

00:46:28.000 I'm not going to speak up.

00:46:29.000 And that results in, you know, kind of chaos.

00:46:33.000 If you have, you know, an element of what we would refer to as the left and the culture war, that are absolutely willing to just say whatever the tribe says even if the you know the change of the wind or whatever like one day they're making fun of asian people the next they said stop asian hate yeah yeah and they started canceling their own activists because a year ago it was okay to hate on asian people and call them white adjacent right and so for them their willingness to stand up and speak up and yell no matter what because they seek validation from others results in them gaining territory in institutions

00:47:02.000 I guess what I'm wondering is though, Reinhold Niebuhr has this wonderful quote in one of his essays, I forgot the name of it, everyone should read Reinhold Niebuhr though, he's awesome, where he says, man needs liberty, but also man needs community.

00:47:16.000 And there will always be a tension between those two.

00:47:18.000 So I'm just wondering what, where does community in and collectivism begin for you?

00:47:24.000 Um, collectivism in my critique is more about disregarding fundamental principles and values for the sake of just fitting in.

00:47:31.000 Finding your value in someone else because you don't find any within yourself.

00:47:31.000 Okay.

00:47:35.000 Okay.

00:47:35.000 So I think I would say something like, hey, here are the things that I believe in.

00:47:41.000 I believe there's, you know, intrinsic rights that human beings have no matter what, even if you try to take them away.

00:47:47.000 And I think we should protect those rights.

00:47:49.000 But I also recognize at a certain point, we have to have common missions.

00:47:53.000 One of the big problems we have in the United States is actually the right has lost their sense of collective in a lot of ways.

00:48:00.000 And the left has lost their sense of principle.

00:48:03.000 You know, so now it's just like, People on the right don't protest.

00:48:07.000 They've started to more so in recent times, but it's still typically the same groups and not the average person who finds themselves on the right, as it were.

00:48:15.000 The left protests for anything, even if it makes no sense.

00:48:17.000 Like when Antifa comes out and says, we're against fascism, but then actually beats people in defense of state mandates, which is like, what?

00:48:24.000 Sure.

00:48:24.000 Because they'll come out for anything!

00:48:25.000 Yeah.

00:48:26.000 So, I don't know, I think, obviously, one of the greatest times in American history, like the space race going to the moon, we had a national mission.

00:48:36.000 We all came together, we all believed in it, and now we have lost social cohesion.

00:48:39.000 The left has some kind of weird social cohesion, but it's not rooted in... I don't know about that.

00:48:45.000 I mean, you know the way I... I wouldn't call that cohesion.

00:48:49.000 Maybe that's fair.

00:48:50.000 But they are connected somehow.

00:48:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:48:53.000 Like they follow... It's a swarm of bats.

00:48:58.000 I think much of it is superficial.

00:49:01.000 I think a lot of it is superficial.

00:49:04.000 I don't think it's like... I think you like strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter sort of thing.

00:49:10.000 On the left?

00:49:11.000 Yeah.

00:49:14.000 I went to a Black Lives Matter protest last year in Brooklyn and I held up a sign that had a Kendrick Lamar quote that said on it, a fatal attraction is common and what we have common is pain to try to spark a conversation about how in many cases the same fears, traumas, what have you, that communities are

00:49:32.000 experiencing also exists within the police officers that are policing those

00:49:36.000 communities.

00:49:37.000 So, but that didn't actually spark any conversation.

00:49:39.000 But what I did notice was that there was no actual spiritual underpinning.

00:49:44.000 Uh, people knew what they didn't want.

00:49:48.000 They didn't know what they wanted.

00:49:50.000 And so that was not... I mean, yes, I met people who have become my friends, for sure.

00:49:59.000 But that was not, for example, in comparison to the civil rights movement, something that created actual sustainable community.

00:50:05.000 So I'm curious.

00:50:07.000 I would question the stability and sustainability of some of the movements today.

00:50:12.000 I question whether or not they actually know what they don't want.

00:50:16.000 Well, that's fair.

00:50:17.000 They claim to know what they don't want.

00:50:18.000 I'll say that.

00:50:19.000 that I talk about a bit is they claim to know what they don't want.

00:50:23.000 I'll say that right.

00:50:24.000 Well, they claim sometimes claim to know what the solutions are.

00:50:26.000 Abolish the police or defund the police.

00:50:28.000 They clearly don't want that because then when the police show up and arrest their political

00:50:31.000 opponents, they cheer for it.

00:50:33.000 One of the things I think we see that I bring up often, what the root of the culture war,

00:50:37.000 in my opinion, or one of them was how algorithms were feeding people shock content for money.

00:50:43.000 And so what happened is, let's say you're 10 years old in 2009, and you get on Facebook, even though you're not supposed to because it's for 13-year-olds and up, but kids are on it anyway.

00:50:53.000 All of a sudden you see in your Facebook feed a police brutality video of black men being beaten by a cop.

00:50:59.000 There were websites that were making millions of dollars posting nothing but police brutality videos because it's shocking and it gets clicks.

00:51:07.000 Outrage, yeah.

00:51:08.000 So now, you're 10.

00:51:09.000 You see these videos and you click on it.

00:51:11.000 So Facebook says, let's give you more.

00:51:13.000 Then, 10 years later, these videos have become dominant because it made so much money for people that now there's someone who's voting who genuinely believes the world is nothing but police hunting down black people.

00:51:26.000 Their whole worldview is built upon this fictional reality of these extreme instances that are actually exceedingly rare.

00:51:33.000 They're bad and we should stop them, no doubt.

00:51:35.000 But exceedingly rare, then they show up at a protest and quite literally verbatim they say, police are hunting us down.

00:51:35.000 Yeah.

00:51:41.000 Yeah.

00:51:42.000 And if you try and tell them like, hey, that's not true.

00:51:45.000 They get angry, they get violent.

00:51:48.000 And then how do you calm someone down whose whole life has been built into this broken worldview?

00:51:53.000 Well, that's not the space, first of all, to try and calm someone down.

00:51:58.000 For sure, but I don't mean, like, go to a protest and walk up to somebody who's angry and screaming and say, hey, you're wrong.

00:52:02.000 I mean, like, even my friends, where it's like, I've been, I would hang out at their house and I would say things like this, they'd be like, you're wrong, you don't understand, and I can't believe you would say this stuff.

00:52:11.000 Like, I thought you, I can't believe you're a racist.

00:52:13.000 And I'm like, dude, why are you getting angry?

00:52:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:16.000 I'm not mad.

00:52:16.000 I'm just, these things are reality.

00:52:19.000 Well, I think it's... I don't know.

00:52:21.000 You might be having an overly cerebral response to an emotional expression... form of expression.

00:52:28.000 That is correct.

00:52:29.000 And I don't think you will... that doesn't match.

00:52:32.000 Those two will never match.

00:52:34.000 You need an emotional expression to respond to an emotional expression.

00:52:37.000 For the right balance of cerebral and emotional.

00:52:40.000 Here's the challenge I face with this.

00:52:42.000 So when I used to do nonprofit fundraising, canvassing, stuff like that.

00:52:45.000 Okay.

00:52:48.000 Oh, hands down, I knew absolutely the emotional pitch was always better than the factual pitch.

00:52:53.000 When I was working for a homeless shelter, I didn't go up to people and say, did you know that 17 children per day are found blah, blah, blah.

00:53:00.000 And if we work together, the average annual budget of the homeless shelter will come.

00:53:03.000 Nobody cares.

00:53:04.000 But if I said, yo, We had a kid last night.

00:53:08.000 His parents both died in a fire, and now he's sleeping in the ditch.

00:53:13.000 I want you to think about that for two seconds.

00:53:15.000 Like, what is that?

00:53:17.000 Could you imagine not having parents?

00:53:19.000 And then they'd be like, oh my jeez, what do I gotta do?

00:53:22.000 The emotional was always better, but you know what?

00:53:25.000 I don't like it.

00:53:26.000 Why?

00:53:27.000 Because it's disingenuous.

00:53:28.000 Why is it disingenuous?

00:53:31.000 When you're honest with someone, you can be nice to them, you can be compassionate, empathize, and say, I am going to lead you to water, and I'm gonna be nice about it.

00:53:43.000 But if you've got someone who's like, fervently locked in a worldview over a decade of believing that cops are hunting down black people, and you try to say to them, you know, listen, I understand these things are horrible.

00:53:58.000 I would like to help you in stopping them from happening.

00:54:01.000 I would also like you to consider that, you know, these instances are exceedingly rare.

00:54:07.000 And though we definitely should focus on fighting them, we should try to do it from a level-headed perspective.

00:54:12.000 And they'll be like, no, you're wrong.

00:54:13.000 I see the videos all the time.

00:54:13.000 You're wrong.

00:54:14.000 I go on Reddit and it's nothing but these videos.

00:54:16.000 You're trying to downplay.

00:54:19.000 But why should your reaction be dependent upon theirs?

00:54:23.000 Meaning, just because they're maybe lost in a worldview, you're not changing your reaction because they're going to be stuck or paralyzed.

00:54:36.000 You're changing your reaction or you're responding in a way that's empathetic because you believe in empathy.

00:54:41.000 You're responding in a way that's compassionate because you believe in compassion, not because You say, oh, well, compassion didn't work, so I'm just gonna throw it all out, throw my hands up.

00:54:50.000 Imagine trying to tell someone 2 plus 2 equals 5.

00:54:52.000 I don't think that's a good comparison.

00:54:54.000 Telling some- I think you're comparing, like, a mathematic equation to, like, things that fundamentally involve human beings, and which goes beyond the abstractions.

00:55:04.000 I'm not talking about the equation, I'm talking about the reaction people would have to being told something that they hold is fundamentally true, and you're contradicting it.

00:55:11.000 Okay, fair enough.

00:55:12.000 So I think if you look at a person like Daryl Davis, the guy who successfully got dozens of members of the KKK to leave the KKK, right, by going to their rallies and being literally in community with them, his approach was not simply to go up to them and say, let me tell you why you're wrong.

00:55:31.000 His approach was to genuinely, deeply listen to them.

00:55:35.000 and to hold space for them for the purpose of holding space for them.

00:55:39.000 This is tricky.

00:55:40.000 Not for the purpose of convincing them that they were wrong.

00:55:44.000 They just so happened to be convinced that they were wrong by the mere presence, continuous presence.

00:55:49.000 But he wasn't simply spewing facts at them.

00:55:51.000 He was choosing to be in community with them, and that's not a purely cerebral, fact-based approach.

00:55:57.000 You are correct.

00:55:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:58.000 That's true.

00:56:00.000 I did an event with some friends.

00:56:01.000 We had Daryl Davis speak, and you're absolutely correct on that.

00:56:05.000 There were instances where he did challenge them, though.

00:56:07.000 Because being their friend, he would... Right!

00:56:07.000 Sure.

00:56:09.000 He could challenge them, you know.

00:56:11.000 At a certain point, the challenge is no longer a threat to your identity.

00:56:15.000 But you have to pave that road first.

00:56:18.000 I think you're absolutely right.

00:56:19.000 I think we should just try to have more friends who we disagree with and just invite them into our spaces.

00:56:24.000 It is difficult.

00:56:24.000 It's extremely difficult.

00:56:25.000 But again, this is the key.

00:56:27.000 This is the hard part.

00:56:29.000 Not inviting them in order to persuade them to change their mind.

00:56:33.000 No, just invite people to be friends.

00:56:33.000 Right.

00:56:35.000 Just in the spirit of fellowship.

00:56:38.000 Yeah.

00:56:39.000 You know, the challenge is, though...

00:56:43.000 I think when you look at someone like Daryl Davis, there's a certain kind of realization about who those people were who were nasty and racist, because not all of them were converted.

00:56:51.000 A lot of them were converted.

00:56:53.000 And the people who were converted were the people who weren't necessarily true believers, but they were in a community and they just held things to be true because that's all they ever heard.

00:57:00.000 Many of the guys that Daryl Davis met with never even met a black person before.

00:57:04.000 And so when they were like, oh, I know about this, but they weren't like evil.

00:57:09.000 So they were like, by all means, you can, I believe in freedom and you can talk and say what you want, but I hold these views.

00:57:14.000 And then they realized a lot of those things weren't true just by talking to them.

00:57:17.000 One of the challenges is there's an, when it comes to like the wokeness and the culture war, you can't even get through to these people.

00:57:24.000 You, let me tell you something.

00:57:25.000 When we, we did this event in, uh, it was in, it was in, I can't remember the name of the town.

00:57:31.000 So I lived in I used to live in South Jersey, okay, and we there was this little theater Just it's about an hour outside of Philadelphia at the very last minute Self-proclaimed anti-fascists threatened to burn the theater down because we were holding an event called Ending Racism, Violence, and Authoritarianism.

00:57:53.000 We had an array of speakers, libertarians, conservative, we had no identitarian speakers, either left, actually no, we had some progressive, you know, CRT activists, we invited them, but we didn't invite any right or white identitarian types.

00:58:07.000 Daryl Davis was the headline speaker.

00:58:09.000 He was one of our huge fans.

00:58:11.000 It's an amazing story.

00:58:12.000 And they threatened to burn the theater down.

00:58:15.000 We had booked the thing almost a year in advance.

00:58:18.000 The manager was like, don't worry, we've had Ann Coulter here before.

00:58:22.000 We can deal with protest.

00:58:24.000 He couldn't deal with the violence.

00:58:26.000 So he terminated our contract and said, we will not welcome you in.

00:58:28.000 If you come, we will call the police to have you arrested.

00:58:31.000 And so he was like, sue me.

00:58:33.000 And there's nothing we can really do.

00:58:35.000 We moved the main event to a casino on the other side of the river which cut our capacity in half and did cause us financial damage.

00:58:41.000 People weren't able to buy tickets.

00:58:43.000 But we had the event.

00:58:44.000 We had Daryl Davis.

00:58:45.000 However, a very brave couple Or, I'm sorry, they had divorced a very brave man and woman who had a bar across the street, refused to cancel the after party in the face of threats and violence and protest, and we told them, like, we are here for you, we got your back, we, you know, don't worry, we will take care of you no matter what happens, like, we're in this together.

00:59:07.000 And they said, we're having the after party. No one's gonna bully us. We know who you are.

00:59:12.000 We know who Darryl Davis is. We're we're proud. We agree.

00:59:15.000 And this is insane. Antifa and CR like, you know, woke activists, Black Lives Matter showed up. And

00:59:21.000 Darryl Davis. This is the craziest thing.

00:59:24.000 thing. 0.94

00:59:25.000 A black man who walked into Klan rallies, shook the hands with white supremacists and converted them, walked across the street to Antifa, and they all started screaming Nazi at him.

00:59:37.000 And they wouldn't let him speak.

00:59:40.000 He ended up posting on Facebook a very viral post where he said, I am shocked in all of my efforts meeting with white supremacists as a black man.

00:59:48.000 They have at least given me the chance to speak, to have the conversation, to become friends.

00:59:53.000 But by simply walking across the street, they won't even let him talk at all.

00:59:57.000 The mob is not an individual.

00:59:59.000 We're going back to this individual versus collectivism thing.

01:00:01.000 It's crazy when a mob does that.

01:00:03.000 I guess what I'm trying to emphasize here is there's something fundamentally different about what's going on now versus... I disagree.

01:00:09.000 I mean, I knew that that is what you were saying, but I mean, I feel it's necessary that our mind people of the civil rights movement and of the circumstances of the civil rights movement I mean churches were being bombed and Ruby Bridges had to walk to school where white people were yelling racial slurs and coming to her with literally ropes around a black doll's neck to tell her that they wanted to hang her and schools were being threatened with all of the very similarly and so I disagree with this notion that

01:00:54.000 Woke fervor is somehow radically different from, say, the things that were happening during segregation in the Jim Crow South.

01:01:04.000 I mean, I think it's just not objectively true.

01:01:08.000 And, you know, you brought this point up earlier about history.

01:01:11.000 I think we tend to forget how intense that was.

01:01:14.000 And equally intense and philosophically undergirded the response to it, and it needed to be because of the intensity of the circumstances that many of the civil rights leaders found themselves in, but it was absolutely similar, if not worse, to everything you're describing.

01:01:29.000 But in this story where, you know, you reference Darryl Davis and his ability to go and talk to... Sure.

01:01:33.000 But the Klan is in disarray and... Sure.

01:01:35.000 It's in a weakened state, they have no strong tenets, and so it's very different.

01:01:39.000 So the stronger argument is the civil rights movement.

01:01:42.000 But then you mentioned this young woman who had all these white people screaming at her.

01:01:46.000 Do you think she could have walked up to one of them and shook their hand and said, we ought to have a conversation? 0.84

01:01:50.000 I don't think that the proper thing to do, strategically, is to try to go shake- like, when people were protesting segregation in the Jim Crow South, they weren't going up to white supremacists to try to shake their hands.

01:02:07.000 No, I mean like if you went to a white rally, like a Klan rally, and they were saying, don't allow- No, because I'm saying that at that time, at that time, the circumstances were similar to what you're describing with Antifa.

01:02:20.000 So we agree?

01:02:20.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:02:22.000 Yes, but you said it's very hard to persuade these kinds of people, but I'm saying the civil rights movement, the philosophy of the civil rights movement understood that what was at bottom fundamentally of what these racist people were doing was a lack, a vapid lack internally that they were

01:02:42.000 projecting onto the other.

01:02:44.000 And so the entire point of the nonviolent movement stemmed from this understanding that

01:02:50.000 even as I protest you, I know that you are my brother and that you are my sister and

01:02:54.000 I'm not going to do you harm.

01:02:56.000 And that moved the culture fundamentally.

01:03:01.000 Not only because of the visuals of that, but again, the philosophy was deeply spiritually rooted.

01:03:07.000 And so I'm saying that is precisely the kind of response that is required in these days and times.

01:03:12.000 We've had a few leftists on this show, and it's very difficult.

01:03:18.000 For a few reasons.

01:03:19.000 It's not just about fundamental disagreements.

01:03:21.000 Some people just want to exploit the show and potentially cause it harm, and we watch out for that.

01:03:26.000 So we might book someone who'll come on and then starts breaking all the rules on purpose and trying to get us banned.

01:03:31.000 That's wild.

01:03:35.000 Oh, yeah, there are people who have tried to exploit the show and we're like, I know their game, we're not gonna, you know, because they don't like us.

01:03:43.000 And I think the other is there's a fear of, I guess, excommunication, cancel culture.

01:03:50.000 Okay.

01:03:50.000 Sure.

01:03:50.000 So there have been instances where people are like, look, I'd love to come on the show, but I just can't deal with that

01:03:56.000 kind of heat.

01:03:56.000 And other people have dealt with this, too.

01:03:58.000 Very prominent figures on YouTube in the culture war have their guests get harassed relentlessly for coming on.

01:04:06.000 And it scares them away and say, I can't do this.

01:04:08.000 But we have had a few different leftists on the show who've been willing to come on.

01:04:13.000 And we're absolutely, I thought they went very, very well.

01:04:16.000 Yeah.

01:04:16.000 I don't know if we can say we're, you know, we're friends because I wouldn't want, I wouldn't impose it on them.

01:04:21.000 But I thought we got along swimmingly.

01:04:23.000 Yeah.

01:04:23.000 And we've had Vosch friends on the show a couple times.

01:04:25.000 And Ian's a big fan.

01:04:27.000 I love him.

01:04:28.000 He's a big fan of me, he's a big fan of Ian also.

01:04:29.000 He's a big fan of Ian.

01:04:30.000 Well, you're both fans.

01:04:31.000 Yeah, he's a big fan of Ian.

01:04:33.000 And so I actually, I've, I've, I've really enjoyed, uh, you know, Vosh, you know,

01:04:39.000 coming on, he's a socialist.

01:04:40.000 He's very left.

01:04:41.000 He was pro Biden.

01:04:42.000 You know, a lot of things I disagree with.

01:04:43.000 Um, he's, he's, I think it's fair to say he's pro CRT and all that stuff.

01:04:47.000 And you know, what happens is after the show, we're talking D and D and video

01:04:51.000 And that's always what happens.

01:04:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:04:54.000 It's like, hey, you know, like, we're not... You might notice we have this poster here back there.

01:04:59.000 Shout out to Brent Lengel of Snow White Zombie Apocalypse.

01:05:04.000 So we argue on Facebook all the time.

01:05:06.000 And he's a lefty guy.

01:05:07.000 And I'm like, kind of, but I'm not authoritarian.

01:05:09.000 I'm very libertarian.

01:05:10.000 So like policy comes second to freedom to me.

01:05:13.000 And, uh, you know, he put up a Kickstarter for this and I was like, I thought it looked really cool.

01:05:17.000 Yeah.

01:05:18.000 I was like, I liked the art.

01:05:19.000 So I was like, I'll, I'll, I'll pitch it for this Kickstarter.

01:05:19.000 I thought it was fantastic.

01:05:22.000 And I posted about it saying, look, me and this guy, we argue all the time, but I have no animosity or hard feelings towards him.

01:05:28.000 I actually enjoy, you know, having these discussions and it's never, uh, I think in this instance, we're not screaming at each other and insulting each other because we're good people.

01:05:36.000 And there are bad people on Twitter who just want to say nasty words.

01:05:39.000 But my point was like, if we focused on the things that we had more in common, maybe we'd actually better understand each other on the things we don't have in common.

01:05:39.000 Yeah.

01:05:46.000 Absolutely.

01:05:47.000 Or actually just learn how we can live together to get through these certain things.

01:05:51.000 But I gotta tell you, it's really, really challenging with a mainstream media apparatus that would say something like, Joe Rogan took horse medicine.

01:05:57.000 That kind of stuff, the example I always use, sorry audience for beating a dead horse.

01:06:02.000 No pun intended.

01:06:03.000 Democrats believe the economy is good.

01:06:06.000 Independent voters and Republicans believe the economy is not good.

01:06:09.000 Oh, I saw you posted this.

01:06:10.000 You tweeted this.

01:06:11.000 Yeah, it is objectively true the economy is not good.

01:06:14.000 I suppose there's some metrics where you could, like, isolate one specific thing, like, well, the unemployment rate went down by 0.2%.

01:06:20.000 Yes, but that doesn't make a good economy.

01:06:22.000 When you have 500,000 below-expectation jobs, how is it that Democratic voters think the economy is good right now?

01:06:30.000 I mean, New York businesses are losing money because of the mandates.

01:06:33.000 They're speaking about it, they're complaining about it.

01:06:35.000 Major shortages, price increases.

01:06:38.000 It's just bad.

01:06:39.000 I mean, we had record job openings.

01:06:41.000 10.1 million last month.

01:06:43.000 And then we only filled 235,000 when they expected 800 or whatever.

01:06:47.000 Like, we still have a massive, we have mass resignations.

01:06:49.000 People are quitting their jobs.

01:06:51.000 But people live in the matrix.

01:06:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:54.000 So that, what makes it really, really difficult is when you try and even invite someone to come on.

01:07:00.000 And they're like, I'm not gonna go on a Nazi show or something because the media said bad words.

01:07:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:06.000 Yeah, I mean, you gotta take it all in stride.

01:07:09.000 But how would you navigate?

01:07:11.000 I agree with you on a lot of what you said about meeting people as just a person, not for the sake of winning or persuading, but how do you navigate people who are constantly inundated by lies and deception to keep them away from you?

01:07:25.000 You understand that you are not and cannot be omnipotent, and you cannot control everything, and you accept the good and the bad, and you roll with the punches.

01:07:37.000 But what if you're trying to make sure and you're like, I mean, look, it's, I suppose I agree.

01:07:45.000 Stoicism.

01:07:45.000 But it might be a bit pessimistic.

01:07:47.000 Like as if to say that I'm watching a building fall down knowing there's nothing I can do to stop it.

01:07:51.000 You see, that's very interesting because I do think that I'm pretty optimistic.

01:07:56.000 And I know there are no guarantees with anything, but I do believe in culture.

01:08:03.000 I actually believe in culture these days far more than I believe in politics.

01:08:07.000 And I think that the culture is actually far more robust and gives us the space to have conversations with people with whom we disagree and And I think that maybe if you, in addition to meeting

01:08:21.000 people in order to get to know them and things like that, leaned into the culture more

01:08:25.000 than the politics, I would be curious where that would get you in terms of how you

01:08:29.000 perceive others and how others perceive you.

01:08:32.000 I agree.

01:08:33.000 You know, so we have the Castcastle vlog, which is the next, it's the latest show that

01:08:37.000 we launched.

01:08:38.000 We've got a couple of other shows we're launching.

01:08:40.000 One's going to be like Mysteries.

01:08:42.000 We've done like recordings of it and we're doing music and editing and stuff.

01:08:45.000 It's gonna be fun.

01:08:46.000 And the reason we started doing the vlog, there's two big reasons.

01:08:48.000 One is like, man, the new stuff we do is so negative all the time.

01:08:52.000 I know like Ian points it out.

01:08:53.000 It's like, all we do is highlight this bad stuff.

01:08:55.000 And I'm like, we got to highlight fun, good stuff.

01:08:56.000 Yeah, and so the vlog is like we have baby chickens. They're cute. They are they're growing up

01:09:00.000 They're getting big and now they're looking goofy because they're in that puberty stage where they have some feathers,

01:09:04.000 but not Really weird. Yeah, and so the goal of the vlog is just to

01:09:07.000 be like fun and inspirational for sure building culture That's dope

01:09:11.000 and I one of the complaints I have about the

01:09:13.000 Republicans because I you know, I I think I think we used to have a uniparty the Democrats are Republicans were like

01:09:18.000 the same thing Yeah, then the you know, the right-wing populist kind of

01:09:21.000 busted in the Republican Party But the Republicans still very much think the path towards

01:09:25.000 victory is like appointing judges. Yeah, I I think Trump supporters understand that's not the case.

01:09:30.000 It's the cultural institutions.

01:09:32.000 That's going to shape the future.

01:09:33.000 Okay.

01:09:35.000 And what are the cultural institutions?

01:09:38.000 The Apprentice.

01:09:40.000 That was one of them.

01:09:41.000 That's true.

01:09:41.000 The Office.

01:09:42.000 So TV shows, for example.

01:09:42.000 The Office.

01:09:44.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:09:45.000 And film.

01:09:46.000 Colleges.

01:09:48.000 Colleges.

01:09:49.000 Media.

01:09:50.000 Yeah.

01:09:53.000 Man, I've been watching reruns of 30 Rock.

01:09:54.000 You ever watch 30 Rock?

01:09:55.000 I literally just restarted watching 30 Rock.

01:09:59.000 That is uncanny.

01:10:03.000 Maybe Netflix just, like, recommended 30 Rock?

01:10:06.000 I was thinking about it for some reason.

01:10:07.000 It's the first show I watched when I moved to New York.

01:10:10.000 And so, yeah, I love that show.

01:10:12.000 And it's a show that couldn't be made today.

01:10:14.000 Yes.

01:10:15.000 You know, what really was like a knife in the heart was when I'm watching, I think it's like the third episode and Tina Fey, or no, maybe it's like the, I don't know what episode it is, but, um, Jenna is doing a photo shoot for Maxim and there's like loud noise and a fan or whatever.

01:10:15.000 And that's the issue.

01:10:32.000 And the guy interviewing her asks her about the war and she says something, but you can't hear it.

01:10:37.000 And he writes down, I hate the troops.

01:10:38.000 Oh, and so there's this big thing in a magazine saying that she hates the troops and Tina Fey is like, you know,

01:10:44.000 Why did you say that? I didn't say that he misheard me in those protests. But anyway, she says okay, you know Jack Donegay

01:10:51.000 He goes we're putting you on hardball with Tucker Carlson and Chris Matthews to debate this so good and then Liz says

01:10:57.000 something like Just say the war was started under false pretenses

01:11:01.000 and it was horribly planned and that you respect the troops and don't blame them for this and

01:11:05.000 And I was just like, man, where did that rhetoric go?

01:11:08.000 Where was that left?

01:11:09.000 Obama.

01:11:10.000 He came in saying he was going to fix it and then didn't.

01:11:12.000 And a lot of it got left.

01:11:14.000 The baggage got left in his garage.

01:11:16.000 I will just add to finish the joke because it was amazing.

01:11:19.000 She calls Tucker Carlson very attractive.

01:11:22.000 Because they would never allow that.

01:11:24.000 They would never allow Tucker Carlson to appear and be called attractive.

01:11:28.000 He was on MSNBC.

01:11:29.000 And she says something that's really funny because it's 2007.

01:11:32.000 She said, I think the government needs to hunt down Obama.

01:11:36.000 And that's why I'm voting for Osama in 2008. 1.00

01:11:38.000 And that's 30 Rock.

01:11:40.000 You couldn't get away with any of that stuff today.

01:11:43.000 It's such a good show.

01:11:44.000 No, but the reason why I'm optimistic is because it's starting to eat, like, so much of the art that we love, and I think that artists, like, will revolt against that.

01:11:44.000 That's insane!

01:11:54.000 We have to now, because if it gets eaten, and it's gone, they won't know that it existed in the first place, and then they won't be able to... So we gotta do it now.

01:12:01.000 But the artists are still alive.

01:12:02.000 Like, Steve Carell is still alive.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, but I mean, I understand Jay Leno's always been like an awful shill. 0.98

01:12:09.000 But he said, get woke or die.

01:12:13.000 I don't know why I wouldn't expect him to say that.

01:12:16.000 He would be the last comedian I'd expect to say that.

01:12:18.000 Look at Rage Against the Machine.

01:12:20.000 I don't follow them.

01:12:21.000 But you understand the name of it.

01:12:23.000 I don't know anything about what they said recently.

01:12:25.000 They have a lyric in a song, F you, I won't do what you tell me.

01:12:29.000 Yeah.

01:12:29.000 Now they've become the band of, F you, you better do what they tell you.

01:12:35.000 Well, I think that's because we're moving through a liminal... I just want to give context because I think it helps us to empathize with people.

01:12:44.000 We're going through an incredibly liminal phase, stage, right now with the pandemic and everything on top of the pandemic, whether it's, you know, race relations, polarization, constant outrage from social media.

01:13:03.000 We're going through a liminal stage where people's rituals have been upended, where people have lost their sense of being connected and things like that.

01:13:14.000 And so we're dealing with an incredible amount of emotional scarcity.

01:13:17.000 And in a time of emotional scarcity, people become extremists.

01:13:20.000 It's like a law of human nature.

01:13:22.000 And so on some level, what's happening is like, It's horrible.

01:13:26.000 But on another level, it's also expected from like a 10,000 foot level.

01:13:32.000 And so the question for me is more, how can we adopt, sorry to keep reiterating this word, how can we adopt certain practices?

01:13:42.000 This is certain relational ways of being so that we can deal with this very difficult time.

01:13:47.000 And I think a lot of what you're seeing is ultimately a misdirected or misapplied flailing for air in response to many crises, whether that's identity crises, you know, pandemic related crises, all of the above.

01:14:05.000 Yes, I agree.

01:14:06.000 And I think that's why you'll see there's protests over masks, there's protests over gender, there's protests over race, and it seems like the culture war is a million things at once and one thing.

01:14:20.000 Like, there's a left and a right and they're fighting each other, but then you hear people like, oh, parents are protesting.

01:14:25.000 Which reason is it they're protesting now?

01:14:27.000 Why does the left have these tenets that are, you know what I mean?

01:14:29.000 It's like, it seems like there's a bigger overarching Yeah, it's an emotional vacancy.

01:14:34.000 I thought that was pretty insightful that you said that.

01:14:37.000 Yeah, like the scarcity.

01:14:38.000 There's a scarcity.

01:14:39.000 And so one thing I'll do is when I'm fasting, I start to get more in touch with my emotions.

01:14:44.000 I'll cry more.

01:14:45.000 Or if I take psilocybin, I'll cry more.

01:14:47.000 Like I get more real.

01:14:48.000 And then I'm able to feel other people.

01:14:50.000 Yeah.

01:14:50.000 I'm sure there's something.

01:14:51.000 This obesity thing is terrifying, man.

01:14:53.000 It's hard to feel when you're stuffed with food.

01:14:56.000 I just have an idea.

01:14:58.000 I think we can solve the problem.

01:14:59.000 We need a monk, a shaman, and a priest.

01:15:04.000 To walk into a bar.

01:15:06.000 To walk into a school.

01:15:07.000 A grind bar maybe.

01:15:08.000 To walk into a school and have a serious conversation with a bunch of young students just about the great questions of life and humanity.

01:15:18.000 Everything that's going on fundamentally has to do with the great questions of life and hardly anyone is tuned into that.

01:15:26.000 That is what is at the center of all of this, I believe.

01:15:29.000 And I agree, we need some shamans up in here to, like, help us figure this stuff out.

01:15:34.000 But I was thinking, first and foremost, just like a straight-up shaman.

01:15:37.000 Because they could ask so many questions to people that would challenge their perceptions.

01:15:43.000 But I actually, before I even, I was thinking, I'm like, man, you know, because you mentioned psilocybin and stuff.

01:15:48.000 But then I was like, you know what, but a monk, you know, would also, and a priest, and a rabbi, and an imam, and like, a Buddhist teacher, I don't know, what do you call a teacher of Buddhism?

01:15:59.000 I don't know.

01:16:00.000 I don't know.

01:16:01.000 Yeah.

01:16:02.000 But like, but having a bunch of different people of different, you know, backgrounds,

01:16:08.000 but with a background in the great questions of life, philosophy and theology, I think

01:16:12.000 would be profound for a young person to experience.

01:16:15.000 Welcome to the theory of enchantment.

01:16:16.000 Is that what it is?

01:16:18.000 Fundamentally.

01:16:19.000 I got, I got this feeling that illegal, making weed illegal has destroyed our culture.

01:16:24.000 It's been a hundred years, so we don't, it's kind of new.

01:16:27.000 And all these people, like people in jail, people afraid, getting paranoid when they're

01:16:31.000 using.

01:16:33.000 Something that already makes them paranoid?

01:16:34.000 You have cannabinoids in your brain like your brain's ready for it.

01:16:37.000 It's been part of our evolution for tens of probably hundreds of thousands of years, if not more, I don't know.

01:16:41.000 You think apes were smoking pot?

01:16:43.000 Yeah, or eating it, probably more likely eating it all.

01:16:45.000 And then they would like make big bushes of it and they'd all sit in a sweat lodge and light this huge bush of it on fire and just chill in the sweat lodge and get really hot.

01:16:51.000 No, I mean apes, not humans.

01:16:52.000 Apes probably were eating it back in the day and slowly evolved over time, got more intelligent.

01:16:56.000 Did you ever hear that thing about like apes ate mushrooms?

01:16:59.000 Um, I do think that the story of Adam and Eve is fundamentally a story about like two, like, it's the story of the development of, of self-consciousness among human beings.

01:17:08.000 And like the fruit that they ate were like mushrooms or something.

01:17:12.000 And then they saw themselves and then they were, uh, paranoid, which is why they were ashamed.

01:17:17.000 And that's what, but actually it was necessary to go, it's necessary to go through that phase.

01:17:22.000 Was it the fruit?

01:17:22.000 What was it called?

01:17:23.000 The fruit of knowledge?

01:17:24.000 Uh, the, the, yeah, the knowledge of good and evil.

01:17:27.000 Yeah.

01:17:28.000 Wow.

01:17:28.000 Yeah.

01:17:29.000 So it's just like... I think it's like a symbolic story about that.

01:17:32.000 I think you're right.

01:17:33.000 That's interesting that people, you know, there are people who believe like, you know, some primates ate some mushrooms, started tripping out and like looking at their hands like, wait a minute.

01:17:43.000 Yeah.

01:17:44.000 It's crazy.

01:17:49.000 No, I actually think it's incredibly deep.

01:17:55.000 I think it's a deep and profound story, and I think it's more true because it's symbolic, not because it's literal.

01:18:01.000 I think the fact that it's a symbolic story makes it more true, not less true.

01:18:06.000 There's more likely lots of apes around the world were consuming psychedelics and kind of realizing that they were what they were over time.

01:18:13.000 And they wrote one story about it.

01:18:16.000 Well, it's interesting because like in the West, our tradition is Hebraic and Greek and Adam and Eve, whereas in the Far East, it's the Buddha.

01:18:27.000 But both stories, there's a garden involved and like, I actually think that like, just as an aside, I think that the Far East is in theory, like their wisdom tradition is more equipped to deal with abundance as a curse because the Buddha originally was a prince who was born into a palace and had everything and his father wanted to keep him from the truths of the world.

01:18:56.000 He's gonna get old, he's gonna die, he's gonna age and all these things.

01:18:59.000 So, you know, eventually he discovers this and this is the part of his path to enlightenment.

01:19:04.000 But I do think it's interesting that, like, many stories in different cultures across space and time have an origin story that takes place in the garden.

01:19:12.000 And it's this perennial idea of what happens when you discover that there is something outside of yourself.

01:19:20.000 People need, like, some kind of fundamental religion.

01:19:23.000 Well, what do you mean by fundamental?

01:19:25.000 Right, right, right, that's a good point.

01:19:26.000 I don't mean, like, fundamentalists, like, extremists.

01:19:30.000 I just mean, like, a base.

01:19:32.000 Very, very basic.

01:19:33.000 I agree with that.

01:19:34.000 I think people need wisdom traditions, for sure.

01:19:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:37.000 Okay, so maybe I shouldn't have said fundamental religion.

01:19:40.000 Too close to the word fundamentalist.

01:19:44.000 I mean that they're never gonna it can never be taken away from them like they believe it no matter what It's it's the Substrate of reality of how they understand reality.

01:19:56.000 I think I grew up in a religious home Definitely beautiful also dogmatic in many ways very grateful for that experience because of where it brought me today, but I I at this point I'm seeing everything that's happening in the world.

01:20:11.000 I'm like my future kids will definitely be raised with some kind of wisdom tradition.

01:20:17.000 There's no way like it's gonna be like vapid or like purely secular.

01:20:23.000 It's just not happening.

01:20:24.000 My issue with A lot of atheists. 0.99

01:20:28.000 Yeah.

01:20:30.000 And you can check out the discussion debate we had on religion.

01:20:33.000 We did a bonus segment with Sydney Watson and Elijah Schaeffer.

01:20:36.000 So I'm not saying this to be disrespectful to anybody, but a lot of atheists have a very, very limited understanding of great questions.

01:20:45.000 And so often they'll say something like, you know, I don't believe there's a bearded man in the sky watching over us.

01:20:50.000 And I'm like, I don't think that's what Christians or Muslims believe. 1.00

01:20:54.000 I think that's like, you actually haven't sat down and had a conversation with a theologist or experienced any kind of wisdom tradition as you describe it.

01:21:03.000 And so they have this like, I don't know, Diminished, or maybe that's not the right word, but very, very... Malnourished.

01:21:13.000 Yeah, that's probably a better word.

01:21:15.000 Maybe a misinterpretation of what God is.

01:21:17.000 You've got to kind of define what God is.

01:21:18.000 Lack of understanding in these great questions.

01:21:21.000 Because I think when you start to think about some of the... I remember when I was like 18, and I'm hanging out with my friends, and they were just stoned off their asses. 0.99

01:21:27.000 And I don't smoke, I've never been a smoker.

01:21:29.000 And it was one of the craziest conversations about time, the origins of the universe, religion... And you remember it!

01:21:35.000 That's the good part.

01:21:38.000 And then my contacts were in too long, and my eyes were getting bloodshot, so everyone thought I was stoned anyway, so I fit in.

01:21:44.000 No, but just asking these questions, and then someone pulled up a picture showing a linear Big Bang timeline, and then I started thinking about it, and just imagining the vastness of the universe, and then we were talking about how the known universe looks very similar to a neuron when we map out, and I'm like, Yeah, I was actually... But I bring that up because there's a lot of people who haven't had those tripped out conversations that make them... expands their mind's eye, as it were, to be like, why would I ever stop and think that God was like a dude with a beard sitting in a cloud?

01:22:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:19.000 I was thinking yesterday about individualism and collectivism a lot, and I'm like, I think I'm that what I write, I wrote on mines. I posted this,

01:22:27.000 that it seems like life is like a subjective experience. Each person is like life is for me and for you,

01:22:32.000 life is for you. But then I'm like, but I feel for like the slaves in China and like the kids

01:22:37.000 being trafficked around the world. So there's like, yeah, it's like I'm part of this greater

01:22:41.000 collective.

01:22:42.000 Like, really, like I am.

01:22:43.000 And that's what they call holism.

01:22:45.000 And there's a real belief like holism.

01:22:45.000 Holistic.

01:22:47.000 And then that's like, it coincides with the holofractic graphic universe that Nassim Harriman's been working on.

01:22:52.000 It seems like he solved Einstein's field equation and he shows, hey, the universe is connected through the vacuum.

01:22:57.000 Yeah.

01:22:58.000 So this collective idea is like, yeah, we're, we're definitely the same.

01:23:02.000 At some level, we're the same organism.

01:23:04.000 We're parts of the same organism, but it just depends on the scale that you're looking at it, I think.

01:23:08.000 You know what we need to do?

01:23:10.000 We need to take babies, and then, even when they can't talk or anything, have them just do five years of philosophy trainings and teachings.

01:23:18.000 Yes.

01:23:19.000 Philosophy.

01:23:19.000 Just hook them up to a neural net and... But, no, no, no.

01:23:22.000 Like, learn.

01:23:23.000 Having someone sit down with them and start very, very, with very rudimentary basics of, you know... I agree.

01:23:30.000 And positive reinforcement.

01:23:31.000 Obviously, I'm not saying go to a baby and pull up, you know, lock and start talking about liberalism.

01:23:36.000 No, I mean like, starting with a baby and just being with a baby and doing what you want to do.

01:23:41.000 If you want to instill some good philosophy in kids, tell them they're intelligent, tell them you're good at learning, and you're really good at that.

01:23:46.000 That is a deep belief, a religious belief, that you can instill in a human from an early age.

01:23:50.000 I just mean like, you know, asking questions of the things like, what did you see today?

01:23:54.000 Socrates.

01:23:54.000 You saw a bird.

01:23:55.000 Yeah.

01:23:55.000 What did the bird look like?

01:23:56.000 What do you think about that bird?

01:23:58.000 Have you ever, have you ever, okay, where'd the bird go?

01:24:02.000 Did you see the birth?

01:24:02.000 You know, like, just very simple things.

01:24:04.000 And then once they're a little bit older and about to go into kindergarten and they're actually talking and they're learning basic math and reading, now you can start asking them more serious questions.

01:24:13.000 Like, where do you think I go every day?

01:24:14.000 What do you think happens?

01:24:16.000 Those are the kind of questions that will, like, make them think and imagine.

01:24:20.000 And then you tell them.

01:24:21.000 And then you can show them.

01:24:22.000 And then as they get older, you start laying on the deep, deep philosophy.

01:24:26.000 And I imagine if you did that, we would have an individualist nation that works as a collective when there's emergencies that needs to, that people trust each other.

01:24:35.000 My problem was learning about philosophies didn't make me philosophical.

01:24:41.000 It was smoking weed.

01:24:42.000 It was the THC and the self-introspection.

01:24:44.000 I was kind of philosophical anyway.

01:24:48.000 People be like, you got to read Jung.

01:24:50.000 You got to read this guy and that.

01:24:52.000 And I'm like, I don't care, man.

01:24:53.000 I am connected with God.

01:24:54.000 I'm experiencing it.

01:24:55.000 This is like a real thing.

01:24:57.000 And that was the philosophy coming out of me because of what I was feeling.

01:25:00.000 If you guys are really into this, you should check out the work of John Preveche.

01:25:03.000 If you're not already familiar with him, he's excellent.

01:25:06.000 He's a cognitive scientist out of University of Toronto.

01:25:09.000 And I've learned so much from him.

01:25:10.000 He has a podcast series on Spotify called Awakening from the Meaning Crisis where he goes through the whole history of the West from the end of the Bronze Age all the way up to like the 90s.

01:25:20.000 Oh man, I wonder if you want to come out.

01:25:23.000 You should invite him.

01:25:24.000 He also has meditation practices that I follow.

01:25:27.000 They're free on YouTube, so anyone.

01:25:29.000 It's a progressive course, meaning he teaches a new thing every Monday.

01:25:32.000 Cool.

01:25:34.000 What's his name?

01:25:35.000 John, what's his last name?

01:25:36.000 Vervaeke.

01:25:37.000 Vervaeke?

01:25:37.000 V-E-R-V-A-E-K-E.

01:25:39.000 Thank you.

01:25:40.000 He's excellent.

01:25:41.000 Oh, cool.

01:25:41.000 I'm excited.

01:25:42.000 Yeah, he's excellent.

01:25:43.000 You know what's really funny?

01:25:44.000 It's because, like, I've never done any kind of really hard drug at all.

01:25:48.000 I drank a bit from when I was, like, 19 to 20, and then I was like... Drinking's dumb. 0.97

01:25:52.000 19 to 20? 0.99

01:25:53.000 Like, for a year, I drank a lot.

01:25:54.000 It's a long stink, yeah.

01:25:55.000 Well, yeah, if you do that, then you're gonna hate it.

01:25:58.000 I was drinking when I was 18.

01:25:59.000 You know, I probably started drinking when I was 16, but not like a drunk, right?

01:26:03.000 I was like, my first beer, and then some parties when I was 17, and I'd get drunk, but I was never a heavy drinker.

01:26:08.000 And then probably like 19 and 20, it was like a party on the weekends, every weekend, and you just get drunk.

01:26:13.000 Alcohol blows, dude.

01:26:13.000 You get like a King Cobra.

01:26:15.000 It does, it does.

01:26:15.000 As a drug, it's one of the lowest, in my opinion, of value.

01:26:19.000 It's just legal.

01:26:20.000 But I've never, I've never, I've smoked pot a couple times.

01:26:23.000 I've never done anything else.

01:26:24.000 I have no interest in that.

01:26:25.000 I have no tattoos, no piercings.

01:26:27.000 Acid is very nice.

01:26:28.000 Yeah, I wouldn't consider it a hard drug.

01:26:29.000 If you do slow doses, those things aren't hard.

01:26:32.000 Alcohol is much harder.

01:26:33.000 But, I say this because I genuinely believe people, and well, I'll be careful about how I say it, but there are certain psychedelic experiences people have had that I think have greatly benefited them.

01:26:46.000 Specifically the research they're doing on, you know, like PTSD and other, you know... Molly with PTSD.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, MDMA.

01:26:52.000 And so I'm wondering if there is a very great benefit people would experience undergoing some kind of psychedelic.

01:26:59.000 There is.

01:26:59.000 And the fact that they made weed illegal in 19-whatever it was, 20-something, is terrible because now people don't understand it.

01:27:04.000 They don't know what the dosages are for it because a tiny, tiny bit is what you're supposed to do with that stuff.

01:27:09.000 Mike, you're going to do it.

01:27:10.000 Not a hit of it.

01:27:11.000 You don't burn and go...

01:27:12.000 And take this huge thing.

01:27:13.000 That's an overdose.

01:27:14.000 That's why things get all blurry and you're like, whoa, you're overdosed.

01:27:18.000 That's not intentional use.

01:27:20.000 How much of it are you supposed to take?

01:27:21.000 I mean, a tiny, tiny, I don't know the actual micro dosage.

01:27:24.000 You'd probably have to talk to a doctor.

01:27:25.000 There are like Silicon Valley people do this.

01:27:27.000 Yeah, they micro dose.

01:27:28.000 All day.

01:27:28.000 That's interesting.

01:27:30.000 It doesn't get you high.

01:27:32.000 I'm talking about medical research and the data we've got so far and I think it's promising and that's why I think this extended state DMT research is fascinating because I feel like this research could lead to helping people a whole lot with breaking down the barriers, the walls, their own insecurities and all that stuff.

01:27:55.000 Have you smoked DMT much?

01:27:57.000 No, I've never.

01:27:58.000 I puffed on it once.

01:27:58.000 It was pretty cool.

01:28:00.000 Take ayahuasca.

01:28:01.000 I'm one day.

01:28:02.000 Oh, you will.

01:28:03.000 You have.

01:28:03.000 I will.

01:28:04.000 I am planning on doing ayahuasca.

01:28:04.000 I will do.

01:28:06.000 And that's the shaman stuff.

01:28:08.000 Yeah.

01:28:08.000 You know, that's the mother.

01:28:09.000 Like there's there's, you know, you go to these villages, you might find a shaman.

01:28:14.000 He's not gonna be able to tell you anything about calculus, rocket science.

01:28:18.000 Maybe, maybe, probably not.

01:28:20.000 Well, maybe it's a rocket scientist flight to South America.

01:28:25.000 But they can make for a dope TV show. 0.87

01:28:27.000 I'll tell you this, I remember when I was a teenager, when I was a kid and I was a teenager, that quote, the only thing, like true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing.

01:28:36.000 Yeah, Socrates.

01:28:37.000 When you finally come to understand what that really means.

01:28:40.000 Because you tell it- You would love John Fravici.

01:28:43.000 He's fantastic.

01:28:43.000 I'm telling you.

01:28:44.000 When you're younger- He talks about this all the time. 1.00

01:28:47.000 Not everybody is, but like for me, when I was younger and very arrogant, and I was like, that means that's stupid. 1.00

01:28:47.000 And you're so arrogant. 1.00

01:28:52.000 People are dumb. 1.00

01:28:52.000 They think they're so smart. 1.00

01:28:54.000 And then I get a little bit older and meet more people. 0.99

01:28:55.000 And I'm like, man, I'm so dumb. 0.99

01:28:58.000 I'm the problem. 0.99

01:28:59.000 Wow.

01:28:59.000 I realized that in my twenties.

01:29:00.000 But it's funny because like, he's like, Socrates is trying to warn me, like, you're not being wise by thinking this. 1.00

01:29:06.000 And I'm looking straight at the quote being like, what a dumbass. 0.99

01:29:10.000 And then I'm like, later on, I'm like, man, he was so much smarter than me. 1.00

01:29:13.000 I'm so stupid. 0.99

01:29:14.000 Well, one of the reasons why some of these drugs are super cool is because they result in ego loss. 1.00

01:29:19.000 And the reason why people have a hard time thinking that they don't know everything is because their identity is attached to how much they know.

01:29:27.000 And their sense of self is attached to how much they know.

01:29:30.000 And if they have to wrestle with the thought, oh, I don't know something, does that mean my life is meaningless?

01:29:35.000 And then they go down this rabbit hole.

01:29:36.000 So that's ultimately like, that's why like acid is like a great drug because it affords you a sense of ego loss.

01:29:42.000 I also discovered fashion when I did acid.

01:29:44.000 Oh, interesting.

01:29:45.000 Fashion, like you got into doing fashion?

01:29:47.000 Nice.

01:29:47.000 Yeah.

01:29:48.000 One of the reasons I've been a big fan of Jordan Peterson for a while was when he went on that Jim Jefferies show.

01:29:54.000 And he said, you know, he's like, I don't think that, you know, you should be forcing a person to say certain words and, you know, like telling them how they should run their businesses and who they should invite in.

01:30:03.000 And then he was like, but don't you think it was a good thing that they forced businesses and civil rights movement to desegregate?

01:30:10.000 And Jordan just went.

01:30:12.000 Yeah, maybe I was wrong about that.

01:30:14.000 Like, just very simply, like, oh, hey, good point.

01:30:16.000 Yeah.

01:30:17.000 So many people would be like, what, how did, no.

01:30:20.000 It's just like, yeah, I see what you're saying.

01:30:22.000 Yeah.

01:30:23.000 That's a good point.

01:30:24.000 Yeah.

01:30:24.000 Humble.

01:30:25.000 I'm like, that's, that's a sign of somebody who's actually thinking, listening, and not so concerned with himself.

01:30:30.000 He's more concerned with what is true.

01:30:32.000 What is the great, the great questions.

01:30:34.000 Yeah.

01:30:34.000 In search of the truth.

01:30:35.000 And the answer, as we know, it is 42.

01:30:37.000 Yeah, of course, yes.

01:30:38.000 Wait, what?

01:30:40.000 Wait, what did you say?

01:30:41.000 The answer to the great question is 42.

01:30:42.000 What does that mean?

01:30:43.000 According to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, did you ever read that book?

01:30:46.000 No, why is everyone insisting that I read this book?

01:30:49.000 Maybe because you should.

01:30:50.000 He's wonderful.

01:30:52.000 In the book, they're like, what is the meaning of the universe?

01:30:53.000 They ask this giant supercomputer.

01:30:54.000 No, no, they said, what is the great question?

01:30:55.000 What is the great question?

01:30:56.000 Or what is the answer to the great question?

01:30:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:58.000 And the computer at the end is like, you didn't tell me what the question was!

01:31:02.000 But the answer is 42, according to that book.

01:31:04.000 So they make Earth as a computer, I guess to like, calculate the answer to the great question.

01:31:09.000 Already wrong.

01:31:10.000 Already starting off wrong.

01:31:13.000 I've not read the book, I've seen the movie.

01:31:15.000 I have never done either, but I played the video game.

01:31:18.000 So basically, in the movie, Earth is destroyed to make way for a superhighway, and they're given like, only like an hour's warning, like, your planet will be destroyed to make way for the galactic superhighway, we're sorry for the inconvenience, have a nice day, and then they kill everybody.

01:31:34.000 But then later, like, I guess later, I can't remember, like a group of aliens realize Earth was actually a special project to calculate the answer to the question, so they have to rebuild the Earth.

01:31:45.000 Remake it and everyone comes back and whatever.

01:31:47.000 Oh, interesting.

01:31:47.000 And then they go to the computer, what's the answer?

01:31:49.000 42.

01:31:49.000 And they're like, what?

01:31:51.000 Like, you didn't give me the actual question.

01:31:55.000 Is that how it ends?

01:31:57.000 It's a trilogy with five parts.

01:31:59.000 Oh, it is a trilogy?

01:32:00.000 It is a trilogy with five parts.

01:32:02.000 Wait, what?

01:32:02.000 Leave it to the British.

01:32:04.000 I think that's British comedy.

01:32:06.000 Douglas Adams, yes.

01:32:08.000 There's a couple other movies that I like.

01:32:10.000 I think it's called Anything Anytime with Simon Pegg.

01:32:15.000 Is that what it's called?

01:32:15.000 Peg, yeah.

01:32:16.000 I don't know that one.

01:32:17.000 Is it also sci-fi?

01:32:19.000 Yeah, it's like aliens... To decide whether a race they discover is worthy. 0.96

01:32:25.000 Absolutely anything?

01:32:26.000 Absolutely anything.

01:32:27.000 Grant a random entity on the planet absolute power.

01:32:31.000 That's great.

01:32:32.000 That's a great test.

01:32:33.000 So Simon Pegg just all of a sudden has the ability to do anything.

01:32:35.000 What would be the first thing you'd do with absolute power?

01:32:38.000 Give it away.

01:32:39.000 Me too!

01:32:41.000 I wouldn't.

01:32:41.000 Yeah.

01:32:42.000 But give it to someone or just make it disappear?

01:32:43.000 And you would lose.

01:32:44.000 No, I wouldn't.

01:32:45.000 What would you do?

01:32:46.000 What's the first thing you'd do?

01:32:47.000 Ascend to a higher plane.

01:32:48.000 What does that mean?

01:32:49.000 What does that mean?

01:32:49.000 Perceive the universe from external dimensions and explore and just watch and understand and learn and try to learn whatever I could.

01:32:56.000 And then what?

01:32:57.000 See, here's the problem with your answer.

01:32:59.000 Give the power away.

01:33:00.000 Well, I would disperse it.

01:33:01.000 I would turn it to zero.

01:33:03.000 And all the power.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, you would disperse it.

01:33:06.000 When you say give it away, To whom do you give it?

01:33:11.000 For me, it's like, I'd just go to Mars.

01:33:15.000 I wouldn't interfere with anything.

01:33:17.000 I'd observe, I'd watch.

01:33:18.000 Your very presence would be an interference.

01:33:21.000 Because it's physics.

01:33:21.000 Why would it be?

01:33:23.000 If I have absolute power, I would phase out of sync with existence.

01:33:29.000 We're suspending physics in this hypothetical.

01:33:32.000 We'll suspend classical physics.

01:33:35.000 Did you mean like political power?

01:33:39.000 No, no, because we're talking about a movie where the dude can literally do anything at all.

01:33:39.000 No, absolute power.

01:33:42.000 Okay, can you define absolute?

01:33:42.000 God-like power.

01:33:44.000 What does that mean?

01:33:45.000 Well, hold on.

01:33:45.000 So it's in the movie, literally anything.

01:33:48.000 Absolutely anything.

01:33:50.000 So he can chill on the sun. 0.85

01:33:52.000 He can like... Well, I mean, you could burn your body alive, too, if you wanted.

01:33:56.000 I'll spoil the movie for you guys, alright?

01:33:58.000 He actually, so the aliens, you think the test is that they want to see what you do with absolute power.

01:34:05.000 And Earth fails the test because Simon Pegg ends up being a good guy who gives the power away and doesn't want to be this powerful entity.

01:34:14.000 And the aliens are outraged because of course the only thing someone should do with absolute power is cause pain and suffering and control and dominate.

01:34:22.000 And only a few races have ever actually used the galactic power in this way.

01:34:25.000 So then they try to destroy the Earth, but I guess, like, I can't remember exactly what happens.

01:34:30.000 He made his dog intelligent, and then the dog... He made his dog intelligent?

01:34:35.000 He gave the power to his dog, he didn't want it.

01:34:37.000 But then I can't remember.

01:34:38.000 Basically what happens is the power actually destroys the source of the power itself, and kills all of the evil aliens before they can destroy Earth.

01:34:44.000 Right, that's why you give it away.

01:34:45.000 Because if you don't give it away, it'll destroy you.

01:34:48.000 Like the One Ring?

01:34:49.000 Exactly!

01:34:51.000 If I had absolute power, I would just go to higher dimensions.

01:34:55.000 They would be coming after you.

01:34:56.000 Who would?

01:34:57.000 The Nazgul. 0.95

01:34:58.000 They seek you through you.

01:35:00.000 I don't know.

01:35:01.000 I don't know that far.

01:35:02.000 Have you seen Doctor Strange?

01:35:02.000 I don't know, man.

01:35:05.000 I love Doctor Strange.

01:35:06.000 It's one of my favorite Marvel films.

01:35:08.000 It is my favorite movie.

01:35:08.000 It's one of my favorites in the Marvel Universe.

01:35:10.000 Did you just watch the new What If?

01:35:13.000 The new What If?

01:35:14.000 On Disney Plus, there's a show called What If?

01:35:16.000 Oh, cool, what's that?

01:35:17.000 It takes the Marvel Cinematic Universe stories and says, what if in this universe X happened?

01:35:24.000 So in the latest one, they said, what if, oh man, I'm disappointed in this episode.

01:35:32.000 It says, what if Doctor Strange lost his heart instead of his hands?

01:35:37.000 So you would die.

01:35:38.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:35:40.000 His emotional heart.

01:35:41.000 So here's what happens.

01:35:43.000 Guys, spoiler alert if you want to watch this.

01:35:45.000 Wait, wait, can we just flesh this out on our own and not?

01:35:49.000 Because if it sucked, then it's going to devastate me. 0.57

01:35:52.000 It didn't suck.

01:35:53.000 I just think they missed the best version of the story.

01:35:55.000 All right, let me break it down for you guys because, you know, I could fix all these movies.

01:36:00.000 Of course.

01:36:00.000 You have ultimate power.

01:36:01.000 Spoiler alert for those that want to watch What If?

01:36:05.000 I enjoy the show.

01:36:07.000 They could do better, but it's a good show.

01:36:09.000 This Doctor Strange episode, I'm gonna give spoilers.

01:36:11.000 Okay, so here's what happens.

01:36:13.000 In this version of the Doctor Strange story, for those that aren't familiar, in the movie, Doctor Strange is this egotistical, super famous neurosurgeon, and he's driving to get an award, and he tries to bypass a semi on the highway in a storm, and then, you know, there's an accident, he flies off the road, crashes, and his hands get crushed.

01:36:33.000 Now he can't work anymore.

01:36:35.000 So he spends all of his money trying to get surgeries, and then finally, once he's broke, he seeks out the mystic arts, and then becomes the Sorcerer Supreme.

01:36:42.000 Okay.

01:36:43.000 In the What If Show, Christine goes with him.

01:36:46.000 Christine, of course, is his love interest.

01:36:49.000 In the car accident, he survives and she dies.

01:36:52.000 Because of her death, he questions his life and decides to seek out answers in the mystic arts as to the nature of life and becomes Sorcerer Supreme and then saves the planet and everything as the movie goes.

01:37:05.000 But with the Time Stone, the Eye of Agamotto, he can go back in time and save Christine.

01:37:12.000 Huh.

01:37:12.000 But every time he tries, she dies in a different way.

01:37:16.000 She gets shot, a building explodes, something happens.

01:37:18.000 And then the Ancient One comes to the past, because he keeps interfering, and she's still alive in the past, and says, this is an absolute point in time that can't be changed.

01:37:26.000 If she doesn't die, you don't pursue the mystic arts.

01:37:30.000 Right.

01:37:30.000 And because you don't, Dormammu wins, and you can't exist.

01:37:33.000 Thus, in this universe, for it to exist, she has to have died.

01:37:37.000 So what happens is, Strange becomes evil.

01:37:41.000 He says, I will break the absolute point in time.

01:37:43.000 He becomes Darth Vader.

01:37:46.000 Yes.

01:37:46.000 And so in the end, he destroys the universe.

01:37:49.000 And you know what really busted me up?

01:37:51.000 The missed opportunity.

01:37:53.000 What is the missed opportunity?

01:37:54.000 First I'll point out, the reason I brought it, I want to bring it up is, the narrator of the show is the Watcher.

01:38:00.000 Love that guy.

01:38:01.000 He just watches.

01:38:03.000 So in all of these different What If episodes, you can see the Watcher in the background watching.

01:38:07.000 Oh, that's creepy.

01:38:08.000 But no one knows.

01:38:09.000 Cool Marvel character.

01:38:10.000 Because regular people don't have that understanding, but Doctor Strange does.

01:38:13.000 So Doctor Strange actually calls out the Watcher, watching him do it, and he says, you're a god, help me fix this.

01:38:20.000 And he goes, I am not a god, you did this to yourself.

01:38:22.000 And he goes, no, but you're here, you can help.

01:38:24.000 It was amazing to see him Be the one character who knew the Watcher was watching, because he's Doctor Strange.

01:38:30.000 He's an awesome character.

01:38:31.000 You know what really busted me up?

01:38:34.000 The opportunity was so good.

01:38:36.000 It was so good, and they missed it!

01:38:38.000 Let me tell you what should have happened, because I was like, oh, I think I know what's going to happen.

01:38:42.000 Christine dies, and no matter what he does, he can't save her.

01:38:47.000 It's an absolute point in time that sets him on the path to become Doctor Strange.

01:38:51.000 So in the end, he shouldn't have become evil.

01:38:53.000 He should have kept trying and he should have defied the Ancient One and said, no, I will never give up.

01:38:58.000 And the Watcher should have said, there is one universe in which Christine doesn't die.

01:39:05.000 It's the universe where you destroy your hands and your life and everything you're famous for.

01:39:11.000 That's great.

01:39:12.000 And lose everything yeah, and then he says I will sacrifice everything

01:39:12.000 I got goosebumps.

01:39:17.000 I am and I've ever achieved if it means she lives and then it kicks off the original doctor strange movie

01:39:23.000 Where he caused he caused his own hands to be destroyed gonna need to buy Marvel

01:39:28.000 I agree.

01:39:30.000 You're right.

01:39:31.000 No, that's totally, that should have been it.

01:39:33.000 Like he calls on the Watcher.

01:39:34.000 Instead of becoming Darth Vader, he would have become Jesus.

01:39:37.000 Can the Watcher do that though?

01:39:38.000 I don't think the Watcher can interfere like that, can he?

01:39:40.000 The Watcher does talk to Strange.

01:39:42.000 Oh, cool.

01:39:42.000 And the Watcher is the one who sees all these universes.

01:39:45.000 And Strange could have said, please help me if the universe is being destroyed, and he says, there's nothing I can do.

01:39:51.000 And then the Watcher could have said, in one universe.

01:39:55.000 Does the Watcher ever give advice like that, historically?

01:39:57.000 I don't know. But maybe the one thing. So then maybe it's to always witness and never participate.

01:40:04.000 But like everybody, like, like Picard, you know, every once in a while you've been on,

01:40:08.000 but he still talked to Dr. Strange. So at the very least, it could have been that as things

01:40:14.000 are falling apart, he remembers what the ancient once said about being driven to the mystic arts.

01:40:19.000 And then he realizes he has to have a sacrifice that drives him. So he decides to sacrifice his

01:40:25.000 entire being in life, his hands, his work, his career, his wealth to save Christine's life.

01:40:31.000 And then he uses the agamagamoto one more time, and she's not in the car anymore, and then he crashes and destroys his hands.

01:40:37.000 She lives.

01:40:38.000 Yeah, you nailed it.

01:40:39.000 That would have been 100% nailed.

01:40:40.000 Because then it starts the movie off, and you're like, he did it to himself.

01:40:44.000 For a good reason.

01:40:46.000 But then, I have a question, though.

01:40:47.000 Doesn't that change the actual original movie?

01:40:50.000 Because in the original movie, he was in fact egotistical.

01:40:53.000 So wouldn't that be weird?

01:40:56.000 Because if he's really doing it, deep down, because he's not egotistical, No, no, no.

01:41:02.000 Like the driving and the thing happens when he's like in his egotistical state.

01:41:06.000 He would go back in time and set the path forward where he destroys his own life, erasing his timeline and creating a new timeline where he's still egotistical.

01:41:15.000 His hands are destroyed.

01:41:16.000 He still seeks out the answers and then comes to better understand reality.

01:41:20.000 Never knowing what really happened with the first iteration of Christine's death.

01:41:24.000 Interesting.

01:41:25.000 So it's like a time loop that just ends itself.

01:41:27.000 Okay.

01:41:28.000 I just thought that would have been amazing.

01:41:29.000 That would have been amazing.

01:41:31.000 You do need to buy Marvel.

01:41:31.000 Yeah.

01:41:33.000 Man, I think you gotta buy it, man.

01:41:34.000 Anyway, Doctor Strange, awesome.

01:41:35.000 Why are we talking about Doctor Strange?

01:41:37.000 Because I like Doctor Strange.

01:41:39.000 I forgot his... I forgot the connection.

01:41:40.000 I forgot the connection we were making.

01:41:43.000 Oh, because you cannot have absolute power and that was the whole point of that other movie.

01:41:49.000 No, the end of Doctor Strange.

01:41:51.000 Where he goes to bargain with death.

01:41:51.000 Right?

01:41:53.000 And the... Dormammu.

01:41:54.000 Okay.

01:41:57.000 Uh, well, okay.

01:41:59.000 But his wise colleague says you always have to pay.

01:42:05.000 You always have something to pay.

01:42:06.000 And I think that's why you can't have absolute power.

01:42:09.000 The bill comes due always.

01:42:11.000 Yeah.

01:42:11.000 That's legit my favorite movie.

01:42:12.000 I love Doctor Strange.

01:42:13.000 It's a great movie.

01:42:14.000 It's an incredible film.

01:42:16.000 I just love the idea of this narcissistic doctor who's like fundamental belief in science and then he discovers hidden meaning and truth after he lets go of himself and goes and becomes a monk and then becomes this great and wise hero.

01:42:29.000 Yeah.

01:42:30.000 I'm excited for the new Spider-Man movie because he's like the main... Oh, is he?

01:42:33.000 Yeah, so the trailer shows Peter Parker asking Strange to do a spell to erase everyone's memory.

01:42:38.000 Oh, interesting.

01:42:39.000 And so Doctor Strange is doing the cool stuff.

01:42:41.000 My favorite Marvel MCU character is Doctor Strange.

01:42:43.000 I'm excited for the next.

01:42:43.000 I love that movie.

01:42:44.000 Kudos to Cumberbatch, man.

01:42:46.000 Fantastic actor.

01:42:48.000 Oh, and I was going to say, one of my favorite movies is the first new Star Trek.

01:42:51.000 I don't know, what is it called?

01:42:52.000 Not Into the Darkness, the first one.

01:42:53.000 Oh, also with Cumberbatch?

01:42:55.000 Also with Cumberbatch.

01:42:56.000 Yeah, he plays Khan, I think.

01:42:57.000 That's Into Darkness, isn't it?

01:42:58.000 Oh, is that the second one of the new ones?

01:43:00.000 Either way, Cumberbatch slayed it.

01:43:02.000 The best part of that movie.

01:43:03.000 I loved him.

01:43:04.000 That was my introduction to Cumberbatch, too.

01:43:06.000 I don't know who that is.

01:43:07.000 He had a weird, dark voice as Khan. 0.63

01:43:08.000 I don't know who that is.

01:43:10.000 They just like, I guess.

01:43:11.000 Benedict Cumberbatch is good.

01:43:12.000 He was not a good Julian Assange.

01:43:13.000 I thought that was awful.

01:43:14.000 But he is a really good Dr. Schroeder.

01:43:16.000 He had a weird dark voice as Khan.

01:43:19.000 I was like, what the heck is this?

01:43:20.000 Yeah, when he says his name.

01:43:21.000 And then alternate timeline Spock is like, oh snap.

01:43:27.000 Yeah, it was Ricardo Montalban, yeah.

01:43:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:43:29.000 Let's read some Super Chats from everybody.

01:43:31.000 Wow, we're a little late.

01:43:32.000 We went a little bit late because we don't do the bonus segments anyway, and I really wanted to talk about that Doctor Strange episode because it was eating me alive.

01:43:38.000 That's awesome.

01:43:38.000 I'm glad you did.

01:43:39.000 Yeah, no, that's good.

01:43:39.000 That's a good resolution.

01:43:41.000 All right, man.

01:43:41.000 Can we just make that?

01:43:42.000 Because that's what I want to watch.

01:43:43.000 Yeah.

01:43:44.000 I want to believe that in the end he like he became corrupted but then truly realized what it meant to be a hero and then created a new timeline.

01:43:51.000 Is it that you can't take one of your favorite people like descending into evil darkness?

01:43:56.000 You can't take it?

01:43:57.000 I felt like it was out of character to be honest.

01:44:00.000 Well, you know, the Shakespearean tragedies are always not what you expect.

01:44:08.000 It's not just that.

01:44:09.000 I'm fine watching Doctor Strange go totally evil and then say, Oh no, what have I done?

01:44:13.000 But there was no payoff for it.

01:44:14.000 It was just like, well, we were told he was going to destroy the universe if he did.

01:44:19.000 He didn't care and did it anyway.

01:44:20.000 And the universe got destroyed.

01:44:21.000 I'm like, what was the lesson?

01:44:22.000 What was, what did we, what happened?

01:44:23.000 Other than just that's the end of the universe.

01:44:26.000 He wasn't thrown into like despair.

01:44:28.000 He was.

01:44:29.000 Yeah.

01:44:30.000 Yeah, it's like the universe collapses and then he's just like trapped in a gem or something.

01:44:33.000 And Christine, he saves Christine, but then she gets, you know, she disintegrates in the collapsing universe.

01:44:39.000 How do you feel about Star Wars?

01:44:40.000 Sorry to keep coming back to this.

01:44:42.000 The original Star Wars?

01:44:43.000 Yeah.

01:44:44.000 Great.

01:44:45.000 The prequels, silly but fun. 0.99

01:44:47.000 The sequels, just the worst trash I've ever seen in my life. 0.89

01:44:50.000 How do you feel about Darth Vader's arc? 0.93

01:44:55.000 As a character.

01:44:56.000 I think it's so fascinating.

01:44:57.000 It's really, really good, but I know that you have to watch Clone Wars to get the full grasp of his transformation.

01:45:03.000 The movies themselves don't do it justice.

01:45:03.000 Okay.

01:45:05.000 Sure.

01:45:05.000 And I was not a fan of like... It's more plot-driven in the movies than character-driven.

01:45:09.000 I think a lot about it because I think using the dark side is necessary. 1.00

01:45:14.000 Yeah.

01:45:15.000 For sure.

01:45:15.000 And we have to be more... We have to not fear it, but be familiar with it to control it so that it doesn't take over.

01:45:21.000 This is what shadow work is about. 0.97

01:45:22.000 The Jedi are awful. 1.00

01:45:23.000 Jedi are awful. 1.00

01:45:25.000 Like, have you ever played Knights of the Old Republic? 0.72

01:45:27.000 When you meet the Grey Jedi? 0.97

01:45:29.000 And they're like... I dated someone who said that the Jedi were awful.

01:45:32.000 They're religious zealots. 0.99

01:45:32.000 They are awful. 0.99

01:45:34.000 We are no longer dating.

01:45:34.000 Absolutely.

01:45:37.000 You'll have to go deeper on why you think that's awful.

01:45:39.000 So the Sith are bad because they covet power and they're willing to kill to gain more. 0.97

01:45:44.000 The Jedi are bad because they're dogmatic and... That's fair. 1.00

01:45:48.000 It's a dogmatic religion of celibacy and monk stuff. 0.98

01:45:53.000 And that's fine to an extent, but not when they wield power and try to assassinate a chancellor because they think he's a bad guy.

01:46:00.000 But he was a bad guy.

01:46:01.000 So what?

01:46:02.000 They could feel it.

01:46:02.000 They knew.

01:46:03.000 And the problem is, it's very obvious, if Mace Windu did not try to kill Palpatine at that moment... I agree.

01:46:10.000 I agree with that.

01:46:11.000 They would have won.

01:46:12.000 But their zealotry... I don't think... He's evil!

01:46:14.000 He must be stopped! 1.00

01:46:15.000 I have to kill him! 1.00

01:46:16.000 Yeah, I agree with that. 1.00

01:46:17.000 They lost their way.

01:46:18.000 You don't think he should have just killed him?

01:46:19.000 No.

01:46:19.000 What did Anakin say?

01:46:20.000 It's not the Jedi way.

01:46:21.000 You're not supposed to arrest him.

01:46:23.000 And he said, he's too dangerous.

01:46:24.000 I can see that scene in my head. 0.98

01:46:26.000 A Jedi is supposed to kill a Sith Lord, right? 0.99

01:46:29.000 That's the problem. 0.98

01:46:30.000 Well, that's the dilemma.

01:46:31.000 That's the dilemma.

01:46:33.000 Because the Sith Lord was also like an elected member.

01:46:35.000 So the problem is they're religious zealots who would throw out the rule of law for their own personal religious drive of what is truly evil.

01:46:42.000 And Anakin watched that happen.

01:46:45.000 And he's like, it's not the Jedi way.

01:46:46.000 He should be tried.

01:46:47.000 Yes.

01:46:48.000 They should have arrested him and told the world, he's a Sith Lord.

01:46:50.000 What should we do?

01:46:51.000 And yes, they had to prove to the people and resist the powers of the dark side.

01:46:56.000 And it would have been the difficult choice.

01:46:58.000 But instead, Mace Windu was like, I don't care.

01:47:00.000 It's easy. 1.00

01:47:00.000 I'll kill him now. 1.00

01:47:02.000 Nope. 0.99

01:47:03.000 I don't- I don't- He was blocking the Force Lightning.

01:47:13.000 I disagree.

01:47:13.000 In fact, he could've said, Anakin, help me subdue him.

01:47:16.000 And Anakin probably would've.

01:47:17.000 And he would've said- I don't know.

01:47:20.000 Anakin was almost turnt by that point.

01:47:22.000 But Mace didn't know this!

01:47:23.000 Mace didn't know what was going on.

01:47:25.000 I'm not trying to defend.

01:47:26.000 I think it's more of a dilemma than it is cut and dry.

01:47:28.000 Mason knows going on. Why don't just I'm not trying to defend

01:47:33.000 I think I think it's more of a dilemma than it is like cut and try I think it's more of a dilemma

01:47:38.000 No, what it what happened then?

01:47:40.000 The Chancellor used the attempted assassination to justify the extreme expansion of powers and to hunt down the Jedi.

01:47:45.000 If I'd been a Grey Jedi... That one incident that caused that, that's absurd. 0.63

01:47:50.000 If a Grey Jedi had walked in and slaughtered the Emperor in that moment and ended the Sith Chancellor and ended the Sith, what would have been the problem with that? 0.99

01:48:02.000 You have to, so you're coming at this point, this situation from a state of absolute knowledge.

01:48:08.000 Of good and evil, yeah.

01:48:09.000 Imagine you walk into a room and you see two people and one's on the ground saying, help me please, help me please.

01:48:14.000 And the guy says, don't listen to him, he's evil.

01:48:16.000 And then what would you do?

01:48:17.000 Read the script, baby.

01:48:18.000 No, I'd use the force.

01:48:19.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:48:20.000 I don't know what I would do.

01:48:21.000 You'd stop the guy who was about to kill somebody.

01:48:23.000 That'd be a weird thing to say.

01:48:24.000 And so the issue is, Anakin says it's not the Jedi way.

01:48:28.000 Mace Windu should have said, you're right.

01:48:30.000 I agree with that.

01:48:31.000 But I don't think that's a, you know, a folly on all of the Jedi.

01:48:37.000 I just kind of felt like for Anakin to instantly be like, I hate you, to Obi-Wan.

01:48:43.000 I was like, that's weird.

01:48:45.000 No, that was unbelievable.

01:48:46.000 Did Luke use the dark side as well?

01:48:48.000 Yes, which is, I think, and George Lucas, who wrote it, disagrees.

01:48:52.000 But yeah, because he was learning it from, wasn't he learning it from Little Green Man?

01:48:59.000 Yoda?

01:49:01.000 He was using force push.

01:49:02.000 He was learning to like, to like, fact check me on this, but he was learning to channel, to channel it.

01:49:08.000 He was channeling the light side.

01:49:09.000 Yoda was teaching him how to use the light side.

01:49:11.000 No, but when he went against his father, he could have killed him, but he didn't.

01:49:15.000 And that's how, and he was, he was like almost driven to do that.

01:49:18.000 And so he, he resisted the dark side.

01:49:20.000 He was like in the face of the dark side.

01:49:21.000 Or did he resist the light side?

01:49:23.000 I think he resisted the light side by being able to accept his father.

01:49:28.000 Yeah.

01:49:28.000 Oh, I see.

01:49:29.000 You're saying the light should have ended the darkness.

01:49:31.000 Interesting.

01:49:31.000 Exactly.

01:49:32.000 Paul Young, ladies and gentlemen.

01:49:34.000 But by doing so, it ultimately converted Vader back to the light.

01:49:38.000 Wow.

01:49:38.000 Right.

01:49:39.000 Exactly.

01:49:39.000 Theory of enchantment.

01:49:42.000 He resisted his own impulse to convert him, and because of that, he converted.

01:49:45.000 He converted.

01:49:46.000 Whoa.

01:49:47.000 So basically, Daryl Davis was inspired completely by Star Wars.

01:49:49.000 I was just going to say, that's also what Daryl Davis did.

01:49:49.000 Exactly.

01:49:51.000 That's also what Daryl Davis did.

01:49:52.000 We should read Super Chats, because we're just going wild.

01:49:54.000 Yeah, we really should, wow.

01:49:56.000 All right, Harry Toast says, I'm so excited.

01:49:58.000 I found a farmer that will let me put my finger in a cow's mouth. 0.64

01:50:01.000 He didn't ask any questions.

01:50:02.000 I thought that was strange.

01:50:04.000 Find a better, different farmer.

01:50:05.000 Talk to your farmer.

01:50:07.000 Blue Sea says, I loved when Chloe was on Dark Horse with Brett and they discussed her theory of enchantment.

01:50:12.000 What an awesome mind you have, Chloe.

01:50:15.000 Thank you.

01:50:16.000 Jesse Meek says Sacramento as a teacher that openly promotes antifa in the classroom and even offers extra

01:50:21.000 credit to students for attending protests and such Shout out to amazing tubers Liberty doll and the philosophy.

01:50:27.000 So philosopher pholosopher. Sorry All right, let's see we got

01:50:34.000 Revan Sheridan says Tim I live in the Deep South in the New Orleans area

01:50:39.000 And I I was being taught CRT in elementary back in the late 90s. I

01:50:43.000 I was taught black women are the most oppressed and it's my fault. 0.89

01:50:47.000 Are you from New Orleans?

01:50:48.000 Do we have similar experiences with that stuff?

01:50:48.000 Yeah.

01:50:50.000 Interesting.

01:50:50.000 No.

01:50:53.000 Jimmy Cantos says, I agree with her definition.

01:50:54.000 There you go.

01:50:57.000 Ron Quay says, Chloe is classically woke, the way it should be.

01:51:00.000 Wokeism as it's known today is just neo-wokeism.

01:51:03.000 I remember when being woke meant seeing the actual truth, not using race to bait and make money.

01:51:09.000 Well, there you go.

01:51:10.000 I like that.

01:51:11.000 Jenny's says, does Chloe have a curriculum for homeschoolers? 0.99

01:51:15.000 So anyone can go to theoryofenchantment.com and enroll in our online course.

01:51:22.000 So it doesn't matter who you are.

01:51:23.000 It's a self-paced course.

01:51:25.000 Anyone can access it.

01:51:26.000 Right on.

01:51:27.000 Very cool.

01:51:28.000 Oh, so yeah, we haven't covered this story yet.

01:51:31.000 We've all been posting about it.

01:51:32.000 Andrew Lage says South Australia is forcing returning citizens to download an app that will send them a

01:51:39.000 notification and within 15 minutes They must go to the specified place and take a photo with

01:51:42.000 their face on it. If not, the cops come. Do you hear this?

01:51:45.000 It's crazy However, my understanding is how it works is you have the app, you'll get a notification saying you have 15 minutes to post a photo from the location you're at using geolocation, which means if you claim to be at a house in this particular area, you take a picture of yourself, it's geotagged with the area and your face confirmed, you're good.

01:52:07.000 Geolocation spoofing apps are free.

01:52:11.000 I knew this was where you were going.

01:52:12.000 Can put you anywhere you want.

01:52:13.000 So it's a terrible plan for the government.

01:52:16.000 It won't work.

01:52:17.000 I was thinking about this today while I was in the MRI machine, because guess what you can't have in a freaking MRI machine?

01:52:24.000 Literally anything metal, including your phone.

01:52:27.000 I was thinking about tonight's show when Tim doesn't really look much at his phone because he's doing a show.

01:52:33.000 And I was like, how dare a police force think that this is okay?

01:52:37.000 Absolutely insane.

01:52:40.000 All right.

01:52:41.000 Odd Ninja says, Hey Tim and crew first super chat to Ian.

01:52:45.000 If a human male gets a human female pregnant, is she carrying a growing human? 0.99

01:52:52.000 You mean, like, right after, like, 10 seconds after the pregnancy?

01:52:55.000 Technically not yet.

01:52:56.000 The question is, is the question is.

01:52:58.000 I don't know when you would consider the fetus a human.

01:53:00.000 I'm not sure what the medical definition is.

01:53:01.000 Is she pregnant? 1.00

01:53:02.000 Is she carrying a growing human? 0.96

01:53:03.000 I mean, if you're asking for medical definitions, I'm not the guy that would be able to answer that.

01:53:06.000 You'd have to look that up.

01:53:07.000 Is it a growing human?

01:53:09.000 It depends on what stage it is.

01:53:11.000 When do you start to consider the zygote a human?

01:53:13.000 Is later in the pregnancy.

01:53:15.000 It's human father?

01:53:15.000 Human mother?

01:53:16.000 So is she carrying something that is growing into a human? 0.71

01:53:21.000 Yeah, it might seem like that, yeah.

01:53:23.000 I don't know.

01:53:25.000 Is the sperm human?

01:53:27.000 Is the sperm a growing human?

01:53:28.000 It says pregnant. 0.67

01:53:29.000 Because it's going to eventually impregnate?

01:53:31.000 The question is pregnant. 1.00

01:53:32.000 Yeah, but the pregnancy doesn't mean that the kid's gonna ever be born.

01:53:34.000 The kid could be an abrupt, accidental termination, you know?

01:53:39.000 You never know.

01:53:39.000 And you could get hit by a car, but you're still human.

01:53:41.000 No, that zygote might die before it ever becomes a human.

01:53:43.000 So no, she's not carrying a human, technically.

01:53:45.000 Ian, are you growing old?

01:53:47.000 I don't know how to answer that question, Sam.

01:53:48.000 There's solar age and there's genetic age.

01:53:50.000 Are you growing genetically old?

01:53:52.000 I'm regenerating.

01:53:53.000 Oh my gosh.

01:53:54.000 I'm genetically getting younger.

01:53:56.000 You just don't want to admit it.

01:53:57.000 Alright, to Tim, ask Knowles about getting in contact with Ted Cruz to come on the show.

01:54:02.000 I thought about that.

01:54:03.000 That would be super fun.

01:54:04.000 Pulling strings with our past guests?

01:54:06.000 I thought I might.

01:54:08.000 I think Ted Cruz would have stood up for himself on the Cancun thing. 0.99

01:54:12.000 I think he, like, that was dumb. 1.00

01:54:14.000 It's culture war stupidity. 1.00

01:54:15.000 You should tell him about it. 1.00

01:54:17.000 Like, I need a vacation, follow me on Twitter.

01:54:20.000 Alright, SaltyRacer says, I think the shadow work is an excellent idea.

01:54:24.000 Problem is that some people literally just slap in the face to change their behavior.

01:54:28.000 This has stopped and it's causing serious problems.

01:54:31.000 I disagree.

01:54:31.000 I don't agree with that.

01:54:33.000 Yeah, I was gonna say I don't know about that.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, I think that actually will just... Like, when you approach someone as an enemy, you solidify their position.

01:54:40.000 If a person already is acting out of a lack of self-worth and you slap them, so to speak, You're actually going to deepen that sense of low self-esteem.

01:54:52.000 You can't make a change like that unless you're slapping yourself in the face.

01:54:56.000 It has to be you.

01:54:58.000 It does.

01:54:59.000 Josh Oh My Gosh says, Chloe, what do you think about the idea of opt-in taxes for social legislation, for example?

01:55:05.000 I know nothing about that.

01:55:06.000 I know, I thought it was like a very... I'll read it.

01:55:10.000 Supporters of abortion pay taxes for it, opposers don't.

01:55:13.000 Tim, check out the singer Joff Castellucci on YouTube.

01:55:16.000 Deep, deep singing voice.

01:55:17.000 Cool.

01:55:19.000 I don't know.

01:55:19.000 What are your general thoughts?

01:55:21.000 I have none.

01:55:22.000 Zero thoughts.

01:55:22.000 All right, there you go.

01:55:25.000 Brandon Freeman says, Tim, please ask her if she's a Marxist and get a yes or no.

01:55:29.000 No, I am not a Marxist.

01:55:32.000 I think you actually said that early on, like you're critical of, you know, critical theory.

01:55:36.000 I'm critical of critical theory.

01:55:38.000 I'm also critical of the Marxist take or what seems to be Marxist take on Like, saying that, like, what's driving certain people in elite institutions to CRT or to wokeness is because it's financially successful.

01:55:57.000 I don't think that that's actually what's happened.

01:55:59.000 I don't think that's a sufficient driver.

01:56:02.000 And that's a very Marxist idea, ultimately.

01:56:07.000 Joshua Hickey says white CRT people are white supremacists.

01:56:10.000 They believe they're inherently above the level due to their skin color.

01:56:14.000 Usually they're just undisciplined and spoiled people who haven't earned what they've been given and they know it.

01:56:19.000 Oh, that's interesting. 0.83

01:56:20.000 One of the things that I've said and Carl Benjamin has said is that many of these white woke people are white supremacists with guilty consciences. 0.71

01:56:30.000 Okay.

01:56:32.000 Let me think about that for a second.

01:56:36.000 But, I don't know.

01:56:40.000 I don't know about that.

01:56:41.000 I mean, what is the role of guilt in this particular context?

01:56:46.000 The self-flagellation that we spoke about?

01:56:49.000 So one of the stories I tell a bit too much, sorry audience for beating the horse, but was when I was in the North Dakota pipeline protests.

01:56:57.000 When I was there.

01:56:58.000 And I met a guy who told me that Um, Asian culture was influenced by, or, so here's what he said.

01:57:05.000 I said, I had a meeting.

01:57:06.000 He said, what do you mean you have a meeting?

01:57:08.000 I was like, I gotta be in LA in a couple days, so I gotta leave soon.

01:57:10.000 And he goes, that's colonial thinking.

01:57:13.000 To fly to L.A.?

01:57:14.000 Well, I was driving.

01:57:15.000 Oh, to drive to L.A.?

01:57:16.000 But he was like, to have a scheduled meeting.

01:57:18.000 He was like, the Native Americans don't have that. 0.99

01:57:19.000 They wake up when they wake up.

01:57:21.000 Not this again.

01:57:22.000 And what I said was, I said, I was like, what are you talking about?

01:57:26.000 I was like, how's that colonial thinking?

01:57:28.000 And he goes, like, the European colonizers brought that here.

01:57:28.000 What does that mean?

01:57:31.000 It didn't exist before they brought it here because the Native Americans didn't have it. 0.99

01:57:34.000 And I said, dude, Chinese people have schedules.

01:57:37.000 They wake up to farm.

01:57:39.000 And he goes, well, let's be honest.

01:57:40.000 It was the white people who brought that to them.

01:57:42.000 And I was like, are you kidding me?

01:57:43.000 You're gonna sit here and tell me?

01:57:44.000 Dude, we invented the compass a thousand years before you guys did.

01:57:48.000 Yeah.

01:57:49.000 That's true.

01:57:52.000 How did he take that?

01:57:54.000 He got flustered. 0.72

01:57:54.000 I called him a white supremacist. 0.72

01:57:56.000 I said, I am not going to sit here and listen to a white supremacist tell me that my culture, which was thousands of years more advanced than, a thousand years more advanced than yours, is responsible for everything that my ancestors did.

01:58:08.000 You had nothing to do with it.

01:58:09.000 And then everyone kind of looked at him and he was like, whoa, but that's the, the ideas they espoused.

01:58:14.000 They believe that the white Europeans made everything. 0.91

01:58:16.000 I do think there's an irony to this.

01:58:18.000 And I do think that one of the.

01:58:20.000 One of my objections to, like, Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote an article in Atlantic a few years ago called The First White President, I think that was the name of it, where he's talking about Donald Trump, and he basically argued that white supremacy was, I forgot the particular line, so apologies if I misquote, this is a paraphrase, but he was basically like, white supremacy is cosmic in nature.

01:58:46.000 And my thing was, if you actually believe that, then you actually believe in white supremacy.

01:58:51.000 You would have to believe that white people are, in fact, omnipotent in order to believe that it is cosmic and everywhere in nature. 0.93

01:59:03.000 And so, yeah, that story resonates with me.

01:59:08.000 And I think it's one of the blind spots and the ironies going on in a lot of these arguments.

01:59:13.000 Yeah, I see a lot of people mentioning we in the chat because I said we invented it.

01:59:16.000 Yes, I'm part Asian.

01:59:17.000 That's the point.

01:59:18.000 Is that I was sitting in front of a guy who was overtly white, and yes, I am still mostly white, German, Irish, British, and I think that's it for the most part.

01:59:26.000 But the point I was making was like, this dude was directly insulting my Asian heritage.

01:59:30.000 And so I'm like to reference my ancestors and the work they did for you to come here.

01:59:34.000 Obviously, I understand, you know, like European colonization.

01:59:38.000 This guy was just a white supremacist.

01:59:40.000 All right, Scott James Pilkington says, Greetings Chimcast. 1.00

01:59:43.000 I smashed it for Ian.

01:59:45.000 I'm very much looking forward to you looking into the Freedom Phone.

01:59:47.000 My phone is only two years old due to all the bloat.

01:59:50.000 It's almost useless.

01:59:51.000 How to fix bloatware?

01:59:53.000 Flash the phone and get like a new operating system.

01:59:56.000 Graphene OS.

01:59:57.000 Graphene OS, I've heard is good.

01:59:59.000 Yeah.

02:00:00.000 And I'm saying that because, you know, you're Ian.

02:00:01.000 And I like graphene.

02:00:03.000 And that's right.

02:00:07.000 Right now, there is a sad Ian.

02:00:09.000 And by simply smashing the like button, you can ensure that today, a sad Ian will not be sad any longer.

02:00:15.000 Get your graphene here and now!

02:00:17.000 Also, um, the Freedom Phone thing is going to be a while.

02:00:19.000 They're on back order until like November, I think now.

02:00:22.000 So give us a few months on this one.

02:00:23.000 And the problem is we can't expedite it.

02:00:25.000 So it's like, yeah, we're not going through Eric on this.

02:00:27.000 We're going to go through the company to get, so we're not getting Potemkin phones, basically.

02:00:31.000 We don't want things that has been tweaked to look right.

02:00:34.000 But, but maybe there's an easier way to do it is if somebody gets a Freedom Phone, we can work with you, uh, or your phone or whatever and something like that.

02:00:43.000 The issue is that if we go to them and say, hey, can we get phones? Well, then we're getting phones

02:00:47.000 from them and you can't trust it. We can't ask them for phones and we can't even ask for an

02:00:51.000 expedited phone. Hey, here are the people we're getting phones delivered to. And you know,

02:00:54.000 because then they're going to send them clean, you know, fixed phones or whatever, or it's,

02:00:59.000 it's compromising the security. So yeah, well, it just could take some time.

02:01:03.000 Well, that's a good sign that they're, they're on back order doing extremely well.

02:01:07.000 Yeah, I'm glad they're doing well.

02:01:09.000 Ah, okay, so Christopher Lambert says, George Carlin and the use on context, doing it again special 1990.

02:01:15.000 So I was not born.

02:01:16.000 And I was four.

02:01:17.000 I was not born.

02:01:20.000 All right.

02:01:21.000 C. Hennessy says, Tim, Kevin Paffrath is the real guy you should be looking at for California governor race.

02:01:26.000 Dude's JFK-style Dem leading is in state polls.

02:01:31.000 He's also known as Meet Kevin on YouTube.

02:01:34.000 He should be able to get the Dem votes.

02:01:36.000 I did see that.

02:01:37.000 He's not beating Larry Elder.

02:01:39.000 In in aggregate, there may be a poll showing him ahead, but he is doing really, really well.

02:01:45.000 And it does seem like an interesting guy.

02:01:46.000 You know, I've seen some of the videos and some of the stuff he's talking to.

02:01:49.000 My problem is I don't I don't trust voting for the Democrats after the 2018 midterms.

02:01:54.000 They promised in 31 districts they would get away from the culture war and focus on real issues for the families.

02:02:00.000 And as soon as they got in, they went to Nancy Pelosi and says, what shall we do, my liege?

02:02:04.000 And she said, impeach Trump.

02:02:06.000 You got it.

02:02:06.000 Do you find there's a lot of cross-contamination between governors and Congress?

02:02:12.000 Like if a governor is democratic, is that really that big of a deal?

02:02:15.000 Yes.

02:02:15.000 Relative to their influence?

02:02:17.000 Or are they kind of autonomous?

02:02:18.000 When California proposed, I don't know if you saw this, was it Prop 42 or something?

02:02:23.000 I don't know, Prop 6?

02:02:24.000 They proposed removing the non-discrimination clause from their constitution that barred discrimination on the basis of race, national origin, sex from their... Why?

02:02:33.000 Because they argued that it inhibited their ability to engage in anti-racism.

02:02:37.000 Yes, because anti-racist discrimination is good in Ibram Kendi's book.

02:02:45.000 All of the National Democrats were endorsing it.

02:02:48.000 Okay, that's hyperbolic.

02:02:49.000 Many national Democrats and Democrats from other states were endorsing.

02:02:52.000 So you think that it says Democrat is more of a warning, like, hey, check this guy, vet this guy, because he's identifying with this weird party.

02:03:00.000 Not that if someone puts Democrat on their shirt, they're necessarily a bad person.

02:03:03.000 What happens to people like Kimberly Klasick and Billy Prempeh?

02:03:07.000 They can't get money from the party.

02:03:09.000 They can't get support from the party.

02:03:10.000 It's hard to fundraise.

02:03:12.000 So people in the party, regardless of whether it's a mayor or a state rep or a governor, are still beholden to the DNC.

02:03:21.000 The Democratic National Committee, I think it is, right?

02:03:23.000 Yeah.

02:03:23.000 Because they want the access to fundraisers, the data, the promotion.

02:03:27.000 So they're plugging into the sewage dump.

02:03:29.000 So a governor, party member's a party member.

02:03:31.000 And I don't like the Republicans either, to be honest, you know.

02:03:33.000 I don't like political parties.

02:03:36.000 Me either.

02:03:38.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:03:40.000 I agree.

02:03:43.000 Alright, let's see what we got here.

02:03:45.000 Tassarus says Ian, rights can be thought of simply as the ways you can be wronged.

02:03:50.000 They can be derived by observing how life grows and how it can be stunted.

02:03:56.000 I don't know about that one.

02:03:56.000 I don't know.

02:03:57.000 We've been having kind of an ongoing debate about what are rights, what are natural rights.

02:04:00.000 Also about abortion, which is why, where that came from earlier.

02:04:03.000 Okay.

02:04:03.000 So I'm of the opinion that natural rights exist and are, some people would say granted due by God.

02:04:11.000 The other way to describe that is just that they're an intrinsic part of being.

02:04:14.000 Ian thinks that rights are cultural and don't inherently exist.

02:04:20.000 Can you split the difference between the two?

02:04:22.000 Probably, yeah.

02:04:23.000 I feel like the Americans were like, we're going to set up a system where we have what we think of as like rules, like rights based on the Christian Bible.

02:04:31.000 So they built the Bill of Rights.

02:04:33.000 And they told us it was given to us by God, inherent, inalienable, nothing they ever did had anything to do with it.

02:04:38.000 It was just there to begin with.

02:04:38.000 And they're kind of protecting it.

02:04:40.000 I don't think so because if we got a new government they'd start telling us your right is to wake up in the morning

02:04:44.000 Your right is to worship the dear leader. These have always been your rights

02:04:47.000 Your grandfather fought for these rights and then eventually you're like my rights have always been that so

02:04:51.000 like it seems like cultural brainwashing Well, is it possible that one could just be wrong and the

02:04:57.000 other could be right?

02:04:59.000 It is possible that there is like an objective reality and there's a way of behavior that serves our propagation and the species.

02:05:07.000 And these might be those.

02:05:09.000 We might be onto something with that.

02:05:10.000 Yeah.

02:05:11.000 OK.

02:05:11.000 But I think without the American military to enforce it, they don't exist.

02:05:15.000 It's not real.

02:05:15.000 Sure.

02:05:16.000 Well, it.

02:05:18.000 So is your definition of real enforceable?

02:05:21.000 Yeah.

02:05:21.000 If it's not enforceable, it won't be there.

02:05:22.000 Hmm.

02:05:25.000 Okay, that's interesting.

02:05:26.000 I don't know how to feel about that.

02:05:29.000 I think that rights exist.

02:05:31.000 We have many, many rights, and governments try to infringe upon them for the sake of cohesion, power, stability.

02:05:37.000 Yeah, because isn't that an argument for power all the way down?

02:05:40.000 Basically.

02:05:41.000 It's terrifying, but I feel like that's real.

02:05:43.000 The reality is the person with the big weapon has always run the show.

02:05:48.000 Yeah, but that doesn't... Why does that mean... That's true, but that doesn't mean that one doesn't have inalienable rights.

02:05:56.000 Just because they're not being enforced.

02:05:59.000 Or why does that necessarily mean that?

02:06:00.000 If they're not inalienable?

02:06:01.000 Because if they want to say you don't have them anymore, then you don't.

02:06:05.000 I'll ask you this question.

02:06:08.000 Would you be upset with a deer for kicking the coyote that was attacking it?

02:06:15.000 No.

02:06:16.000 Because the deer has a right to defend itself.

02:06:19.000 Sure.

02:06:20.000 The right exists.

02:06:21.000 We recognize it.

02:06:21.000 We don't fault the animal.

02:06:23.000 Yeah.

02:06:23.000 Would you be upset with someone, with like a woman?

02:06:26.000 This is a weird analogy, by the way.

02:06:27.000 Yeah, because the way you said the deer has the right to defend itself is kind of a misuse of the word right in the term of natural rights that we're talking about right now.

02:06:33.000 How is it a misuse of the term?

02:06:34.000 Well, it doesn't, the deer doesn't have natural, just the deer defending itself isn't really, it's not exercising a right.

02:06:39.000 It's just defending itself before it dies.

02:06:42.000 Would you be upset?

02:06:42.000 I agree with that.

02:06:44.000 If a person was being beaten in the street and a guy was just pummeling him and then he grabbed a wrench off the ground and smacked the guy in the face and killed him, would you blame the guy who was being beaten?

02:06:55.000 No.

02:06:55.000 He has a right to defend himself.

02:06:56.000 Right.

02:06:58.000 Well, God, yeah.

02:06:59.000 I mean, he should.

02:07:00.000 If he wants to survive, he better defend himself.

02:07:02.000 And so the way the law works is that we recognize an affirmative defense for murder, a self-defense.

02:07:08.000 It is not murder.

02:07:10.000 It is not a crime.

02:07:11.000 You're free to go.

02:07:12.000 You have a right to defend yourself.

02:07:14.000 So there are many rights that we recognize, and there are many rights the government tries to take away from you.

02:07:18.000 But the right to keep and bear arms is fundamentally the right to self-defense.

02:07:21.000 In this country.

02:07:21.000 Not all countries have that right.

02:07:22.000 But are you saying that if a person, if the government didn't support a person defending themselves, then that person no longer has the right to defend themselves?

02:07:29.000 Correct.

02:07:29.000 Like in North Korea, if a soldier were to kick a guy on the ground and the guy tried to fight back, they'd execute him on the spot.

02:07:34.000 That's right.

02:07:35.000 Because he has no right.

02:07:36.000 So if you're being... I think you guys are defining rights differently.

02:07:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:07:41.000 So the problem is that even when I read Ian the definition, he didn't agree with it.

02:07:44.000 Well, you read it to me, and then you stated a different definition as the definition of the word.

02:07:47.000 It's on video.

02:07:48.000 You said ethics in the definition, and then you didn't say ethics when you were redefining it.

02:07:52.000 I read a large paragraph giving you a very intricate explanation of where natural laws apply and why, and then you started nitpicking it, so I broke it down to, like, fundamental Truths that are inherent freedoms that are inherent to living beings because no matter what definition I give you you would change the definition This is a clearly a great question.

02:08:16.000 Yeah, what are natural rights?

02:08:18.000 Are they given by God?

02:08:19.000 I mean, let me in the Constitution It says God gave it to you and you're like, I'm an atheist Let me ask you guys a question.

02:08:23.000 Is the American government full of it because I'm an atheist Let me ask you guys a question.

02:08:27.000 Yeah, if a man Was walking on the street minding his own business and a cop pulls up For no reason.

02:08:36.000 Runs up to him and starts mercilessly beating him with Billy Club.

02:08:41.000 And the man is on the ground and is being beaten, begging, please stop.

02:08:45.000 And then he leans over and grabs a wrench, gets up and cracks the cop, killing him instantly.

02:08:49.000 Would you blame the guy on the ground?

02:08:51.000 No.

02:08:51.000 Would you?

02:08:51.000 I can't!

02:08:53.000 These are ridiculous situations you're creating, dude! 0.97

02:08:57.000 There's no context. 0.97

02:08:58.000 I don't know what the... I can't blame either of those guys for that.

02:09:00.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:09:01.000 I gave you the context.

02:09:02.000 But you just gave me a limited, from the moment I saw it start to happen to when I did.

02:09:06.000 All right.

02:09:06.000 Let's try again.

02:09:07.000 What caused it?

02:09:08.000 Let's try again.

02:09:09.000 If a man was selling Lucy cigarettes outside of a bodega and the cops came up and put him in a chokehold and he was screaming, I can't breathe.

02:09:15.000 And then he grabs a wrench and swings it, hits the cop, killing him instantly.

02:09:19.000 Would you blame the guy being choked?

02:09:20.000 No.

02:09:22.000 Blame him for what?

02:09:23.000 For killing the cop.

02:09:25.000 Geez, that's a tough one. 0.93

02:09:26.000 Because if the cop- if you attack a tiger and the tiger bites your face, I blame the guy that attacked the tiger.

02:09:31.000 Would you blame a man putting a chokehold- I blame them both!

02:09:35.000 You gotta blame them both.

02:09:37.000 If you stick your hand in a tiger's mouth and it bites your finger, it's your fault and it's the tiger's fault.

02:09:41.000 I can understand both arguments, but I would still mostly blame the cop.

02:09:45.000 So that was the Eric Garner case.

02:09:47.000 Yeah.

02:09:48.000 And you still... But okay, fine, he defends... I mean, self-defense isn't... It's not okay... Self-defense, I'm not saying that the reason it's okay to defend your life is because you have a right.

02:09:57.000 You have to defend your life to survive.

02:09:59.000 Now we built a legal... Now you understand what rights are.

02:10:01.000 ...infarction for that.

02:10:02.000 Is that the... Infarction, is that the right word for that?

02:10:03.000 No, infarction is a... That's a heart attack.

02:10:05.000 Yeah, it's a blood loss to a muscle.

02:10:07.000 Yeah.

02:10:08.000 All right, well, I want to make that a political word.

02:10:10.000 I like that, yeah.

02:10:11.000 Let's do it.

02:10:12.000 The formation or development of an infarct.

02:10:14.000 An infarct.

02:10:15.000 We'll get to that later.

02:10:16.000 I don't want to waste these Super Chatters times because people are giving us money right now.

02:10:20.000 The reason why I asked the question about the cop is because you recognized you wouldn't blame someone for defending themselves if a cop was mercilessly beating them and they took the person's life and their intent was to defend themselves.

02:10:31.000 But the state would probably still arrest you and charge you.

02:10:34.000 Qualified immunity.

02:10:35.000 Well, I think that's mostly about lawsuits though.

02:10:40.000 I think the issue here is that culturally, the police department would say, too bad MFR,

02:10:45.000 you killed a cop.

02:10:46.000 We don't care why.

02:10:47.000 And as much as we, as human beings, if we recognize a situation in which a legitimately

02:10:52.000 innocent person, in full context was innocent, being attacked by a criminal police officer,

02:10:57.000 we would, every person, a conservative would be like, well, of course, that cop's a bad

02:10:59.000 guy.

02:11:00.000 The state probably would disregard it and probably still arrest him.

02:11:03.000 They would be biased against them.

02:11:04.000 They wouldn't care.

02:11:05.000 But the guy has the right to self-defense.

02:11:07.000 This is the point you're going towards.

02:11:08.000 Now that's good.

02:11:09.000 Now that's why we built our government is to protect that idea.

02:11:12.000 But it wasn't, my argument is that it wasn't given to us by God.

02:11:16.000 It was these dudes, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson.

02:11:18.000 So you just have a problem with the God piece.

02:11:20.000 Thinking that it's inalienable and it can't be ever taken away freaks me out.

02:11:20.000 Yeah.

02:11:24.000 That's not what it means.

02:11:26.000 Inalienable doesn't mean it can't be infringed upon.

02:11:30.000 People seem to think that if you're out in the middle of the wilderness, you still have those rights.

02:11:33.000 I don't think so.

02:11:34.000 You do.

02:11:35.000 No.

02:11:35.000 What do you mean?

02:11:36.000 If you're naked in the woods, you don't have the right to self-defense and the right to free speech.

02:11:41.000 What are you talking about?

02:11:42.000 Yes, you do.

02:11:43.000 You can pick up a rock and throw it at the wolf.

02:11:44.000 They don't exist.

02:11:45.000 You still can do those things, but you don't have a right.

02:11:47.000 There's no... I still don't understand what your definition of right is.

02:11:50.000 A right is like, it's like, well what is the definition of rights?

02:11:54.000 Things that are, abilities that are given to you by God.

02:11:56.000 This is what natural, you're talking about natural rights.

02:11:58.000 It's something inherent to the dignity of what it means to be human.

02:12:02.000 Freedoms that are inherent to life, fundamental, like.

02:12:06.000 It's like a part of the sacredness of what it means to be human.

02:12:09.000 In this society, but in Afghanistan it's not. 1.00

02:12:10.000 In order for life to function, there are, It is.

02:12:13.000 In order for life to function, certain things have to happen.

02:12:16.000 And as human beings, and as all life strives to survive, we recognize that life does certain things.

02:12:21.000 In fact, in the definition of life, when they describe it, it propagates, and I believe defense, or the attempt to survive, is one of them.

02:12:31.000 No, I could be wrong about that one.

02:12:32.000 The challenge I have with your understanding is it seems that it would be easily devolving into relativism.

02:12:40.000 And that's why people are going crazy right now and railing against the US government because the government's like blindly being like, like, okay, I get it.

02:12:40.000 It is.

02:12:47.000 We think that this is the best way here now because we're in it.

02:12:51.000 We haven't seen a better system yet.

02:12:51.000 We're in it.

02:12:52.000 So to us, this is the right, this is the right way, but it doesn't mean it's the only way or ever will be or ever was.

02:12:59.000 I think you're confusing, like, rights and privileges.

02:13:02.000 I've seen people be like, you can't do that to me, I have the right!

02:13:05.000 And I'm like, dude, you have to stand in front of that right.

02:13:07.000 You have to make sure.

02:13:09.000 Healthcare is not a human right.

02:13:11.000 That statement makes literally no sense.

02:13:13.000 But like, you banned me off YouTube, I have the right to that.

02:13:16.000 No, you should have built a website to protect yourself because You don't have the right.

02:13:22.000 You think the government is protecting your rights because they say they are.

02:13:25.000 No, but here's what you misunderstand.

02:13:26.000 You've got to protect your own rights and create them.

02:13:28.000 So, the right to free speech exists.

02:13:32.000 The right to expression exists.

02:13:33.000 There are some limits on causing harm to others because now you're infringing on their right to life and they have the right to defense.

02:13:40.000 But when a massive multinational corporation takes up all the land, we actually have battled this out in the courts.

02:13:46.000 We've decided that publicly owned private spaces, you are required to allow free speech.

02:13:51.000 So Occupy Wall Street, for instance, was only possible because the people went on private property and the private company said, you have no right to free speech on my property.

02:13:59.000 And the government The people and the precedent in the courts was, actually, if you're occupying the common space as a private owner, you can't take away someone's right to free speech.

02:14:10.000 So YouTube bans people, banks debank people, the US government hasn't done a thing about it.

02:14:15.000 Welcome to the argument against censorship.

02:14:16.000 Because it can't.

02:14:17.000 The government cannot.

02:14:18.000 That's not true, Ian.

02:14:19.000 Not only is it not infringing on those rights, corporations are, and the government can't do anything about it.

02:14:23.000 They can.

02:14:23.000 What can they do?

02:14:24.000 So, first, there's Section 230 reform or Section 230 enforcement, which they're not doing.

02:14:29.000 Well, right now Democrats have the majority and Republicans have no will.

02:14:29.000 Why?

02:14:32.000 Republicans were too stupid to do anything about it from 2016 and on, and now they're all being banned and blacklisted, and they don't care because most of them were neocons unipartists anyway. 1.00

02:14:41.000 Now, you have the issue of just enforce Section 230. 0.99

02:14:45.000 Never was this law intended to allow Twitter to arbitrarily create editorial guidelines on what opinions are allowed to have.

02:14:52.000 YouTube doesn't come to me and say, we're concerned about the safety of individuals, so you can't talk about Donald Trump's election.

02:14:57.000 That makes no sense.

02:14:59.000 They have editorial guidelines.

02:15:00.000 Now, Are there other places you can go?

02:15:02.000 Technically, yes.

02:15:03.000 But if there is a massive major stadium, or all of the space in the center of the town is being occupied or owned by one person, we have already determined that privately owned public spaces must protect the free speech rights of an individual.

02:15:17.000 All we need now is for the willpower in any politician to enforce it.

02:15:21.000 The government has the power.

02:15:22.000 And Facebook is terrified of this.

02:15:24.000 That's why Facebook has been having meetings with politicians trying to be like, please don't regulate us because we know you can do it.

02:15:29.000 People begging for daddy to fix it is freaking me out.

02:15:32.000 The people like a politician could fix it for me.

02:15:35.000 The government could do it for like, dude, these are your rights.

02:15:38.000 This is not Alexandria Cortez's Version of your rights. This is yours and no no corporation

02:15:44.000 or government state is gonna make that is gonna keep that for you 0.56

02:15:47.000 That's up to you and your friends Reading you'd have to do for us to like make a substantive

02:15:52.000 conversation I'm sure we should have experts on but I mean we like I

02:15:55.000 think the people who have watched this have Researched too much and for you to enter this conversation

02:16:01.000 with this lack of understanding would be like, you know Someone who's never read a math book trying to explain or

02:16:07.000 ask about math to someone who's in advanced out like algebra or calculus

02:16:10.000 But I think if people constantly complain about their rights being taken away, it's going to devolve into their rights being gone, as opposed to actually projecting their rights.

02:16:20.000 Then you realize, oh, your rights are there because you projected them, not because it was written on some paper and given to you from somewhere else.

02:16:26.000 You created that in your in your behavior.

02:16:29.000 Let's read some more Super Chats. 0.91

02:16:30.000 Common Cure says, Chloe is the Auntie Kendi.

02:16:33.000 Also, Ian, do you play Deep Rock Galactic?

02:16:36.000 Hit me up on Steam.

02:16:36.000 I do.

02:16:38.000 I'm Mr. Clearbro.

02:16:39.000 Rock and stone.

02:16:40.000 Rock and stone.

02:16:41.000 Frank Taylor says, Tim, listen to Chloe.

02:16:43.000 She is smarter than you.

02:16:44.000 I think I've noticed that.

02:16:46.000 Agreed with many of her points and said, actually, you're right.

02:16:48.000 Great points.

02:16:49.000 That's why I referenced Jordan Peterson as a big fan, because for him to be willing to just be like, I was wrong about that.

02:16:56.000 I'm like, man, that is... That's strength.

02:16:58.000 Yeah.

02:16:58.000 That's awesome.

02:16:59.000 Yeah.

02:17:00.000 Someone mentions we had a bunch of Chinese bots in chat, so... How dare they? 1.00

02:17:03.000 Get out.

02:17:04.000 What's up dudes?

02:17:06.000 All right.

02:17:07.000 Let's see what we got.

02:17:09.000 Caitlin Clark says, first time donation, your guest is spreading the right messages.

02:17:13.000 Thank you for providing a platform for spiritually aware and intelligent voices.

02:17:18.000 I like that.

02:17:18.000 Oh, absolutely.

02:17:19.000 This has been a great conversation.

02:17:20.000 Awesome.

02:17:22.000 All right.

02:17:24.000 Andrew Fetter says, Hey Tim and crew.

02:17:25.000 Hope someone has lifted the man stone since my visit.

02:17:28.000 Ah, yes.

02:17:29.000 He gave us the Atlas stone.

02:17:30.000 Oh, big one.

02:17:31.000 The rite of passage.

02:17:32.000 If you lift it, you're a man.

02:17:33.000 I have not lifted it.

02:17:34.000 Regarding the office censorship, critical theorists need to attack any exploits of their weaknesses.

02:17:39.000 It's how to influence culture.

02:17:42.000 Wait, say that again.

02:17:43.000 Critical theorists need to attack any exploits of their weaknesses.

02:17:48.000 Oh.

02:17:48.000 Anything that might mock or belittle them.

02:17:51.000 Yeah.

02:17:51.000 So when you watch The Office and you laugh at the ridiculousness or whatever.

02:17:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:17:55.000 Interesting.

02:17:56.000 I think he's right.

02:17:58.000 Bruce A2 says, Ian, get at her now. 0.80

02:18:01.000 I don't know what that means, but also I think she's right.

02:18:05.000 The Bible is highly symbolic and has many allusions to science of all types from a time when they supposedly didn't have science.

02:18:11.000 That's true.

02:18:12.000 Interesting things.

02:18:14.000 I was reading a long time ago a scientific analysis of some of the rules in the Bible into why they were.

02:18:20.000 Yeah.

02:18:21.000 Like, why you weren't supposed to eat pork or whatever, because they were dirty, diseased animals.

02:18:25.000 Yeah, trichinosis.

02:18:26.000 Yeah, and it would get you sick, and so they were like, don't eat it, you know?

02:18:32.000 All right, let's see what we got here.

02:18:35.000 We'll try and get as many as we can, but we've gone way over.

02:18:37.000 But it's awesome.

02:18:38.000 Yeah, this is good.

02:18:40.000 Cody Black says, first time Super Chat.

02:18:43.000 I listen every day and love the show.

02:18:44.000 Trying to get my S.O.

02:18:45.000 Sarah to watch as well.

02:18:46.000 Please help me sell the show to her.

02:18:48.000 If you get her to watch, it would leave me speechless.

02:18:52.000 I would tell her she should watch it because I'm here and I can always use the female company tonight when Chloe's here. 1.00

02:18:52.000 Clever. 1.00

02:18:58.000 So have her join me. 0.95

02:18:59.000 That's right.

02:19:02.000 Martin the Panda says, the fundamental problem is an increasing lack of faith in something outside the human experience.

02:19:08.000 When there's nothing greater than yourself to answer life's big questions, it's much easier to see yourself as divine and those against you as evil.

02:19:15.000 Interesting.

02:19:16.000 Well, I would agree halfway with that.

02:19:20.000 I think that, I do believe that human beings are divine, but that doesn't, I don't mean that in the, I think that human beings are, you know, I'm spiritual, so I think that human beings are made in the image of the divine.

02:19:31.000 Um, and this idea that comes from Genesis is like being made in the image of God is like something that I subscribe to.

02:19:37.000 I don't think that's the problem, but I do think that that doesn't mean, um, actually John Verveke has this, has, has this interesting riff That has influenced my thoughts on the idea of the sacred.

02:19:51.000 What do you mean when you call something sacred?

02:19:53.000 Do you mean sacred as inexhaustible?

02:19:56.000 As in the human being is inexhaustible.

02:19:58.000 You'll never be able to fully grasp the deep essence of the human being.

02:20:03.000 Or do you mean sacredness as perfection?

02:20:05.000 And perfection, if something is perfect, then it's static and non-dynamic and therefore dead.

02:20:14.000 That's not it, yeah.

02:20:15.000 And like an idol.

02:20:16.000 So it's perfection or inexhaustible?

02:20:19.000 Yeah.

02:20:19.000 Tim, you actually mentioned that the universe was perfect the other night, and I think it was more that it's inexhaustible.

02:20:23.000 I think it's inexhaustible.

02:20:25.000 Because I've been thinking a lot about that phrase.

02:20:26.000 What do you mean?

02:20:27.000 We were talking about the perfection of the universe and how it just functions so perfectly, but how you're defining perfection is that it's static.

02:20:34.000 And the changing imperfections in the universe seem to give it this inexhaustible quality.

02:20:38.000 And what's the word for that?

02:20:39.000 The heat death of the universe is, as far as we know, an inevitability.

02:20:44.000 yeah if untouched but of course we we are the wardens of this space this is one thing i've talked i think the expansion of space right now it's beyond our understanding how to revert reverse this but it's entirely possible at least Well, I could be wrong about this, but I believe it's possible.

02:21:02.000 Life in the universe comes to a point where, sure, there's heat death of the universe, but maybe we create extremely advanced machines, extremely advanced AI, super intelligent, that just floats for billions of years until it interacts with that one electron and absorbs it, and then just keeps going without, you know, losing any.

02:21:18.000 And then it may take trillions of years, but it's eventually collecting all the matter and still functioning as some form of complex system.

02:21:27.000 Or maybe, by that point, we learn how to collapse and control space-time, and the universe just, we just, you know, whatever's created.

02:21:36.000 I hope I'm gone by that time.

02:21:38.000 You'll definitely be gone by that time.

02:21:39.000 I do not want to experience that.

02:21:40.000 Yeah, not interested.

02:21:41.000 All right, Martin the Panda has an additional.

02:21:43.000 He says, I was an atheist for 37 years and realized that's not what I wanted to leave my girls.

02:21:48.000 I began attending church for philosophical reasons, and now I have faith and a better understanding of purpose and place.

02:21:53.000 There's something more than just us.

02:21:55.000 Hmm.

02:21:56.000 Very Jordan Peterson moment.

02:21:58.000 Yeah.

02:21:59.000 Yeah.

02:22:02.000 Jeremy McDude says, I have a theory regarding independent voters thinking the economy is good.

02:22:06.000 They live in non-blue hellholes and don't actually see many effects of the awful economy of 2021.

02:22:12.000 Even then, you should at least see how much you pay in gas.

02:22:15.000 Yeah, seriously.

02:22:18.000 All right.

02:22:18.000 Agent Juice Cartoon says, glad to see Chloe on the show.

02:22:21.000 Many LA animation groups are too identitarian.

02:22:24.000 I want to start an animation group with merit, professionalism, and equality instead.

02:22:28.000 Would love to see if Toe could help make that a group.

02:22:32.000 T-O-E. 0.97

02:22:33.000 T-O-E. 0.97

02:22:34.000 Theory of Enchantment.

02:22:34.000 Yes.

02:22:35.000 Group a reality.

02:22:36.000 Hmm.

02:22:37.000 Interesting.

02:22:37.000 I don't know much about animation or that space.

02:22:41.000 I would be interested in knowing more about what's going on there.

02:22:43.000 It's like an art form, yeah.

02:22:44.000 Do you have a general help email line that you would have people contact?

02:22:49.000 Well, people can fill out, like, a form on our website if they're interested in, like, learning more and getting more information.

02:22:53.000 That's how I got in touch with you.

02:22:54.000 Nice! 0.94

02:22:55.000 Yes!

02:22:55.000 Works for me!

02:22:56.000 I recommend it.

02:22:57.000 Waffles Sensei says, Chloe, glad you came to talk about this stuff with a bunch of political commentators.

02:23:02.000 I think your organization will be the most influential because you keep your politics very milquetoast.

02:23:06.000 It makes people have to address the ideas on the merit.

02:23:09.000 Yeah.

02:23:10.000 That's good.

02:23:10.000 Yeah.

02:23:11.000 That's a strength.

02:23:13.000 There's probably a bunch of Dr. Strange ones.

02:23:16.000 Oh, so many.

02:23:17.000 I see them, yes.

02:23:20.000 Are they?

02:23:20.000 they will actually yeah pretty much st. Matthew says Tim your Marvel idea

02:23:27.000 wouldn't work there was no multiverse yet as per Loki that's actually wrong

02:23:32.000 though Because, have you seen Loki?

02:23:37.000 No.

02:23:37.000 So, instantly, the moment that they, I guess, well, I forgot the woman's name already.

02:23:46.000 What was her name?

02:23:47.000 Sophie or something?

02:23:49.000 I don't know.

02:23:49.000 She killed the one that remains or whatever.

02:23:54.000 Instantly, the timelines fracture.

02:23:56.000 So it's like, even if there is only one sacred timeline, in fact, the Loki timeline, where there's only one timeline, the sacred timeline, actually exists in a superposition of infinity with all the other timelines, just somewhat isolated from them, because they're, as he mentions, the moment you kill me, there will instantly be all these other, you know, conquerors who will be around you.

02:24:16.000 So, it did exist.

02:24:19.000 That's why I think there's an issue with the Loki show trying to do the Sacred Timeline, because we've already referenced the multiverse and other timelines, and they have no explanation for how this interferes with those ideas, other than to say, it was inevitable that the one that remains would be killed, shattering the Sacred Timeline, creating infinite timelines, and changing the past, and thus all those alternate universes could have existed anyway.

02:24:41.000 And the show, what if, actually explores these other universes, which exist anyway.

02:24:46.000 I did not follow that at all.

02:24:47.000 Yeah, that was like another language, but I'm learning.

02:24:51.000 Speaking of Marvel.

02:24:52.000 In the Loki show, there's only one timeline.

02:24:55.000 Because there's an organization called the TVA or whatever.

02:24:59.000 Timeline Variance Authority.

02:25:01.000 They destroy any multiverse branch.

02:25:05.000 Okay. So anything that deviates from their scripted timeline, they go there, they destroy,

02:25:10.000 and they send it to like a death dimension. However, at the end, a female Loki variant 0.99

02:25:16.000 kills the guy enforcing it, then the entire Sacred Timeline shatters into infinite universes,

02:25:22.000 which means that the whole thing is in a state of flux of back and forth.

02:25:25.000 Okay. Because then there's a war between the one that remains, one maintains the Sacred Universe,

02:25:30.000 which instantly collapses because it's time, there's no past or future, so it's still multiverse.

02:25:37.000 Sorry.

02:25:37.000 They all exist before the prime universe and after the prime universe and during the prime universe because time is a torus of motion.

02:25:45.000 All right, we'll just read one more because we've gone a bit way over.

02:25:47.000 A bit way over.

02:25:50.000 Okay, Mickey Mouse says, Ian, rights aren't the ability to defend oneself, they are what gives you the moral high ground when you have to defend yourself.

02:25:58.000 Yes, rights are what give you the legal, essentially legal authority.

02:26:03.000 Moral.

02:26:04.000 Not legal.

02:26:04.000 Laws are not morality.

02:26:08.000 Wait, what?

02:26:09.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

02:26:09.000 Just because something's legal doesn't mean it's moral.

02:26:12.000 No, right, right.

02:26:12.000 Oh, but you think rights give you... are basically your justification for doing the morally just thing.

02:26:17.000 Yeah, yeah, probably.

02:26:18.000 I agree with that.

02:26:19.000 Right on.

02:26:19.000 Well, thank you, friends, for hanging out this Friday night.

02:26:21.000 You effectively got a bonus segment, I guess.

02:26:23.000 We normally don't do it, but...

02:26:24.000 You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.

02:26:26.000 You can check out youtube.com slash cast slash cast castle for all the vlogs we're putting up and you can watch what we're doing on a day-to-day basis and the funny thing is you can watch me somehow in between all the work I'm doing tending to the chickens because it's just non-stop work all day every day.

02:26:40.000 You can follow me personally at TimCast, become a member at TimCast.com, support our journalism.

02:26:45.000 Do you want to shout out your social media or anything else?

02:26:47.000 Sure, check out theoryofenchantment.com.

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02:26:56.000 You can also follow me on Instagram at cvaldory and theoryofenchantment.

02:27:02.000 Any other wisdom?

02:27:05.000 I would say maketh thy business to know thyself, which is the hardest thing to do in the world.

02:27:12.000 Thank you. 0.99

02:27:12.000 That's why I like to make internet videos and watch myself be an idiot on TV. 0.99

02:27:15.000 Can't deny it anymore after that. 0.98

02:27:18.000 Also, you can follow me at Ian Crossland if you want to.

02:27:20.000 But do it, yeah.

02:27:21.000 Thanks.

02:27:22.000 I appreciated Chloe's wisdom tonight.

02:27:24.000 It is very rare to find a very wise and philosophical lady. 0.96

02:27:29.000 Very short supply.

02:27:30.000 We need to bring that back.

02:27:33.000 Yes, we do.

02:27:33.000 We need to make it cool again.

02:27:34.000 I'm excited to see it coming back.

02:27:35.000 You guys should follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids as I attempt to have more followers in Sour Patch Kids.

02:27:40.000 I'm 5,000 away, so please join me.

02:27:42.000 We have a new members-only show coming up very soon.

02:27:45.000 We're not necessarily going to have a set schedule, but it's going to be called The Green Room.

02:27:49.000 And the idea is when guests arrive, there's actually about 10 to 15 minutes where there's fun and weird conversations.

02:27:55.000 When Steve Bannon came and he met Andreas, who's a, you know, Ian's friend.

02:27:59.000 Andreas Nicholas.

02:28:00.000 Exertus, you've seen his shirt on me before.

02:28:03.000 Andreas was saying so many crazy things to Steve Bannon, but Steve Bannon was into it, and, you know, Andreas was talking about transhumanism and, like, cyber-Marxism or whatever, and, like, after the show, Bannon's like, who is that guy?

02:28:17.000 He's a genius.

02:28:18.000 Yeah.

02:28:18.000 And I thought it was hilarious, but there's, like, you know, it's a very, very weird I don't know.

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