Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Students REFUSE To Wear Masks, Stage School Walk Out w-Daniel Turner And Chris Karr

00:00:00.000 I'm going to shout it out to Steve Bannon again, because he told us a couple months

00:00:17.000 ago that come August 15th, when these parents see what these schools are doing to their

00:00:22.000 kids, man, it's going to be crazy.

00:00:24.000 We had Bannon back recently, and he said it was actually crazier than he thought, because all these parents are rising up everywhere, there's protests everywhere.

00:00:31.000 And it's not even just about the schools, though.

00:00:33.000 We're also seeing, in basically every city, protests against vaccine mandates in the workplace.

00:00:38.000 Medical professionals doing the same thing.

00:00:40.000 And now we're seeing something that I didn't even expect, to be honest.

00:00:43.000 Students walking out of school refusing to wear masks.

00:00:47.000 So I think there's good signs here.

00:00:50.000 And you know, there's you can have your opinion on the mask thing and all that.

00:00:53.000 But I think, you know, students saying, here's what we're accepting.

00:00:56.000 Here's what we're not accepting and standing up and speaking out on their own behalf.

00:00:59.000 It's a good thing.

00:01:01.000 But I will add, you know, there's been many instances of student protests where the students typically just like repeat talking points that the adults have said.

00:01:09.000 So we'll read into the story and we'll see what these young high school students have to say about this stuff.

00:01:13.000 And then we have other really, really big news, which I gotta be honest, probably should have been the lead, but I decided not to go with it.

00:01:21.000 And it's that CNN is reporting, and I kid you not, According to a CDC survey, 80% of people surveyed above the age of 16 have immunity.

00:01:33.000 Now, that's massive.

00:01:34.000 I have a CNN article.

00:01:36.000 It is CNN of all outlets saying this.

00:01:39.000 And according to Forbes one week ago, Herd immunity is acquired at 60 to 70 percent, so I'm not definitively stating that we are at that point, because there's probably some nuance in here, but big, big news.

00:01:50.000 And we will get into all this, as well as a lot of story about Texas, and the Supreme Court rulings, and some of the crazy stuff that's going on down there.

00:01:57.000 We got Jay Leno capitulating to cancel culture, saying either join or die, which is creepy.

00:02:03.000 So we'll jump into that.

00:02:04.000 We got a couple people hanging out with us today.

00:02:05.000 We got Daniel Turner and Chris Carr, but you want to introduce yourself?

00:02:08.000 Yeah, Daniel Turner, Power of the Future is my organization, energy, environmental issues, but just love to talk about all stuff in general, and it's always good to be on, so thanks for having me.

00:02:19.000 Absolutely, man.

00:02:20.000 We got Chris, who is?

00:02:22.000 The executive editor at TimCast.com.

00:02:25.000 We have an amazing team of awesome rock star journalists who are covering the issues daily and hourly.

00:02:31.000 Uh, obviously I'm backed by popular demand, so thank you for that.

00:02:34.000 People took to the streets, they said Chris Carr or nothing.

00:02:36.000 You gave him Chris Carr, so I'm thrilled to be here once again.

00:02:39.000 Yeah, it was just supposed to be Daniel, but then, you know, people are outside with signs, and you're like, what do we do, what do we do?

00:02:44.000 You gotta peel to the mob.

00:02:46.000 Yeah, you gotta push them back.

00:02:48.000 Oh, I'm here too.

00:02:49.000 Hey, what's up guys?

00:02:50.000 Glad to see you.

00:02:51.000 Good to have you back.

00:02:51.000 Good.

00:02:52.000 Let's talk chickens.

00:02:52.000 Let's rock and roll.

00:02:53.000 Oh yeah.

00:02:54.000 We're going deep on chickens.

00:02:55.000 We are going to have to talk about chickens for sure.

00:02:57.000 Maybe sticking our fingers in cows mouths. 0.97

00:02:59.000 I guess it's a new thing.

00:03:03.000 I hear it's quite lovely.

00:03:04.000 It felt good.

00:03:04.000 Apparently.

00:03:04.000 It's good.

00:03:05.000 So yeah.

00:03:07.000 Hey, before we get started, we got a couple things.

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00:05:08.000 But, uh, that being said, let's jump over to the first story we got here, after you smash the like button, of course.

00:05:13.000 High school kids in Colorado.

00:05:16.000 Walk out of multiple schools after refusing to comply with mask mandates.

00:05:21.000 And here we can see one kid holding up a sign that says, my body, my choice.

00:05:26.000 Interesting how that one works.

00:05:28.000 This story from Cassandra Fairbanks.

00:05:30.000 Dozens of high school kids walked out of Denver area schools on Thursday after refusing to comply with a mask mandate imposed on them.

00:05:37.000 The Thunder Ridge High School students held signs saying, My Body, My Choice, and told reporters that those who are scared of the virus should stay home after walking out of class around 9.30 a.m.

00:05:46.000 They were joined by nearby middle school students and their parents.

00:05:50.000 Students from Legend High School in Douglas County also held a protest against the mandate.

00:05:54.000 Here we have a bunch of videos of people walking out.

00:05:56.000 The Tri-County Health Department announced earlier this week to require all students to wear masks, even those who have been vaccinated.

00:06:03.000 The local CBS affiliate reports that they also prevented individual counties from opting out of public health orders.

00:06:09.000 The order took effect on September 1st and is expected to remain in place for the entire school year.

00:06:14.000 Now here's what they have to say.

00:06:16.000 Quote, I believe that masks, they've been going for mostly two years now.

00:06:22.000 Okay, I believe that masks, they've been going for mostly two years now.

00:06:25.000 This is going to be the third year of my high school career that's compromised.

00:06:29.000 I want a normal high school career there.

00:06:31.000 If you are scared, you could stay home, said student Austin Knapp as they rallied.

00:06:35.000 These people agree with me, they hate masks and I do too, said another student.

00:06:39.000 The Denver Channel reports that Thunder Ridge High School students were joined by Ranch View Middle School students and their parents.

00:06:45.000 Quote, there's enough parents and there's enough scientific data to show otherwise.

00:06:49.000 That this is just not a necessary option that they have to take.

00:06:52.000 And there are enough students that feel the same way, said parent Amy Ellis.

00:06:56.000 Now, I actually don't know all the data.

00:07:00.000 It's changed so much.

00:07:01.000 I honestly have no idea.

00:07:02.000 I know there were some studies saying they found limited efficacy.

00:07:05.000 There were some studies saying the real problem was being indoors because of recirculated air.

00:07:08.000 And there was recently a study that said, yes, actually masks did reduce transmission.

00:07:13.000 So I'm not, I can't give anybody advice on this stuff because everybody claims to have the science and I don't know, but I can tell you this, when Bannon said parents would be mad, I don't know if he expected the kids to get mad too and the kids to come out, but if the parents and the kids, and this is just one location, you know, It's cause for optimism.

00:07:29.000 We've got some good news, huh?

00:07:31.000 And this is the first time in the history of civilization that we have a plague or a pandemic that seems to exempt children.

00:07:40.000 The bubonic plague didn't do that.

00:07:40.000 Miraculously, right?

00:07:42.000 Black Death.

00:07:43.000 SARS other other illnesses sort of hit the population equally this this for some bizarre reason has not affected

00:07:50.000 kids and Yet we're punishing kids like we are

00:07:53.000 We're treating them like they are as susceptible as as adults and it does seem as are it also doesn't seem to hit

00:08:00.000 people without Comorbidities, which is very strange. Yeah, there are kids

00:08:03.000 who have died. I'm Absolutely.

00:08:05.000 But the number is very, very small relative to the highest risk factor is over 40.

00:08:09.000 And so if you look at the CDC data, it drops down significantly.

00:08:13.000 I think obesity was a huge factor.

00:08:15.000 The CDC says around a third of all hospitalizations are obese.

00:08:18.000 What I want to know is at what point do you have COVID and then be considered infected with COVID?

00:08:23.000 Because the virus can be there and not hurting you at all.

00:08:26.000 Well, then are you considered infected at that point?

00:08:28.000 Yes, semantically, you're infected, right?

00:08:30.000 So there's actually a lot of viruses people have all the time, but they're asymptomatic.

00:08:34.000 I was reading about, I was covering the Ebola outbreak years ago, and Zika and stuff.

00:08:39.000 That's why I actually interviewed people at the CDC.

00:08:42.000 And it was really cool, actually.

00:08:43.000 They explained how Ebola is a terrible virus.

00:08:46.000 Not because it's physically terrible and people are like, bleh, but because it's so aggressive that it becomes so presentable that it stops its ability to transmit.

00:08:57.000 They said good viruses are the ones you have every day that don't make you sick, because they've successfully infected you without triggering your body's immune response, and they're not killing you so they can perpetuate.

00:09:07.000 So COVID's getting more intelligent as it's evolving to Delta, which is less... Intelligent isn't the right word.

00:09:13.000 Less lethal, but more infective, I think, Delta is.

00:09:16.000 That's the general trajectory of viruses, as far as I understand it, at least.

00:09:21.000 Yeah, maybe intelligent is the right word, but that is a good point.

00:09:23.000 Basically, the virus is becoming more successful.

00:09:26.000 It's more transmissible and less deadly, which means more people are going to get it.

00:09:30.000 They're going to experience severe symptoms to a lesser degree, but they're going to get sick with it.

00:09:35.000 And that's basically what the CDC was saying to me.

00:09:38.000 There's a lot of viruses that don't cause enough damage to harm you, so the virus goes on forever and spreads around like crazy.

00:09:44.000 But, you know, COVID in its earlier stages was a bad virus.

00:09:48.000 Like, it was bad for its own, you know, propagation.

00:09:51.000 You know?

00:09:52.000 And I can understand where these kids are coming from, because when you are 15, 16, your window of experience is very few years, right?

00:09:52.000 Yeah.

00:10:01.000 So every minute that is lost feels like an eternity.

00:10:04.000 Like, being a kid waiting for Christmas morning was forever.

00:10:06.000 Right?

00:10:07.000 If you've gone through all of your... the second half of freshman year, all of your sophomore year, now your beginning junior year, and you can't play a sport, you can't go to a dance, you're still... I too would feel like I am losing these very few precious high school years, and I'm stuck in a bubble.

00:10:23.000 I can see them being protesting.

00:10:24.000 Just the other day I looked at my watch and I'm like, it's September already!

00:10:28.000 I'm like, what's going on?

00:10:30.000 You're like, I'm old, you know?

00:10:33.000 So, 35.

00:10:33.000 I know.

00:10:33.000 Oof.

00:10:34.000 Do you still, even though we're old, do you still get nervous when you see back to school commercials?

00:10:34.000 Yeah, 35, man.

00:10:38.000 I saw one the other day on TV and like my heart skipped a beat, like back to school.

00:10:41.000 I'm like, I haven't been in school in 30 years!

00:10:43.000 And I was like, oh my god, back to school!

00:10:46.000 I got so uncomfortable!

00:10:47.000 30 years?

00:10:48.000 Oh yeah, I'm old.

00:10:49.000 Really?

00:10:49.000 Yeah!

00:10:50.000 Are you going to say how old you are?

00:10:51.000 We established this last time I was here.

00:10:53.000 I am 11 years older than you.

00:10:55.000 So you haven't been in school for 30 years?

00:10:57.000 Well, I guess 20-something years.

00:10:59.000 Okay, because I was like, what are you, 50?

00:11:03.000 It feels like 30.

00:11:04.000 The one comment that really stuck out to me in that article is, if you're scared, you can stay home.

00:11:07.000 I thought that was a really interesting point, because I heard a family member recently say, you know, they were explaining some of their hesitancies to go out and experience life, and they said, every time I go out, I have to be worried about what's going to happen to me.

00:11:21.000 And that just struck me as so counterintuitive.

00:11:23.000 And this kid's hit on something that's really vital.

00:11:26.000 It's just like, if you're scared, then you can stay home.

00:11:29.000 That's on you.

00:11:30.000 Well, we've inverted the script, you know?

00:11:31.000 Now it's like, if you're scared, you're hurting other people, and we should be allowed to go around being scared.

00:11:38.000 I mean, who didn't see this coming?

00:11:40.000 We had stories from seven years ago about the foofy neon safe spaces they're putting in colleges, where if you were triggered by a lecture, you could go inside and sit in a beanbag and hug a plushie.

00:11:51.000 You think I'm kidding?

00:11:52.000 This is real.

00:11:53.000 They were like pastel colors, and then you could go to therapy, and they'd be like, remember that video where, it's Nicholas Christakis, I think his name is, and I think this is the incident where the woman says, college is not about fostering intellectual, you know, conversation, it's about creating a home and a family and a safe community or something like that, and it's like, no it isn't!

00:12:11.000 I remember that.

00:12:12.000 It's not colleges!

00:12:13.000 Yeah, and that started as the therapy dog during midterms because you needed comfort, That we're at the point now, although that probably doesn't happen because of COVID, but we're at the point now, it's like Ben Shapiro's coming to campus.

00:12:25.000 Well, we have to shut it down.

00:12:26.000 Like I am, and people will say, real college students, college students, how embarrassing.

00:12:31.000 College students will say like, I am afraid knowing he's on campus.

00:12:35.000 It's like, well dude, then you need to just live in a closet the rest of your life.

00:12:39.000 Like if Ben Shapiro, you know, four miles down the road at like whatever hall giving a talk to the YAF kids, Has you literally afraid?

00:12:47.000 Then you should end it right now, because you're never going to survive in this world.

00:12:51.000 Isn't Ben like 5'8"?

00:12:53.000 Yeah, he's tiny.

00:12:54.000 I'm not trying to be mean.

00:12:55.000 He's not a very intimidating guy.

00:12:57.000 But to be fair, he speaks very fast.

00:12:59.000 He does speak very fast.

00:13:00.000 So if that triggers you, then I understand.

00:13:02.000 And what triggers is that he will probably outwit everyone in the room five times over, because he is just very damn smart.

00:13:09.000 Oh, those videos of him owning people?

00:13:11.000 Oh my gosh, he's so quick.

00:13:14.000 That's what they're scared of.

00:13:15.000 Like, I gotta say, when I saw Ben on Realtime, I was impressed.

00:13:15.000 Exactly.

00:13:20.000 He's succinct.

00:13:22.000 He's calmer than he used to be, too.

00:13:23.000 But then, like, when we were in college, I mean, I only did two years of college.

00:13:27.000 I didn't graduate.

00:13:27.000 I'm a college dropout!

00:13:29.000 When I was in college that short time, I mean, we had Noam Chomsky come to school.

00:13:34.000 We had communists come and lecture, and none of us were like, I'm so afraid knowing that this person is here.

00:13:40.000 She's like, oh, I'm not gonna go to that lecture.

00:13:42.000 Yeah, I think that what they're really saying is that they're triggered by him being there.

00:13:46.000 Like, they're not really afraid for their life.

00:13:48.000 I don't think so, anyway.

00:13:49.000 I hope not.

00:13:50.000 Do you know what triggered actually means?

00:13:51.000 Do you know what afraid really means?

00:13:52.000 Don't you guys understand what, like, a trigger actually is?

00:13:57.000 It's a real term when someone has post-traumatic stress disorder.

00:14:00.000 Or, you know, whatever you want to call it.

00:14:01.000 George Cullen is a great bit on this show.

00:14:03.000 P.T.S.

00:14:03.000 I think they got rid of the disorder part of it now.

00:14:05.000 Oh, P.T.S.

00:14:06.000 So, you know, you go to war, and you hear a bang in the middle of the night, you wake up, you're like, what's happening?

00:14:11.000 And you experience that for a long period of time, then you see your friends die, and then all of a sudden you're back in the United States, and a car backfires, and you break down, you start sweating, and your heart's beating like crazy.

00:14:19.000 That's a trigger.

00:14:20.000 And you need someone to help you through that.

00:14:22.000 So, come back, like, we're not in the conflict anymore.

00:14:26.000 We've bastardized that now, too.

00:14:27.000 Just things I find discomforting are now a trigger.

00:14:31.000 I mean, even the rights memefied it.

00:14:33.000 You're like, oh, the left got so triggered by this.

00:14:34.000 Do you think that Ben and others like him are triggering people, making them feel like they're in second grade again, and it's that kid that just keeps talking to them and either making fun of them or saying mean things to them, and then they feel that when they see Ben because he's so poignant, straight through you?

00:14:51.000 Well, it's funny that you say that, because I did have something I wanted to interject that's not exactly on topic, but I spoke with a military veteran who, he's 90 now, but he spent 30 years working with veterans that had PTSD.

00:15:03.000 And he had no data, but he had anecdotal evidence when I spoke to him.

00:15:06.000 He said, Chris, 90% of these veterans that have genuine PTSD, it didn't come from the war, it came from their childhood.

00:15:13.000 Really?

00:15:13.000 And that's what I said.

00:15:13.000 Wow.

00:15:15.000 I'd never heard anything like that.

00:15:16.000 But in the 30 years that he worked with these veterans, he was just like, it's... What happened, according to him, is that these kids had PTSD in childhood because of traumatic situations they were in.

00:15:25.000 And the war just blew it up.

00:15:28.000 And they never got back.

00:15:28.000 You know?

00:15:29.000 I've not I've not been in like, you know hardcore full-scale warfare with airstrikes or anything like that. I've been in

00:15:36.000 urban conflict I've seen people lose their lives and shoot at each other

00:15:39.000 and there have been bullets flying past me and I would not say I've

00:15:42.000 ever experienced anything beyond like there was one point where a car backfired and I had like an adrenaline rush and

00:15:47.000 then I was like Whoa, I got to calm down

00:15:49.000 And that was the extent of it.

00:15:51.000 And so there are a lot of people I've met in like hostile trainings, hostile environment trainings.

00:15:55.000 And I've talked to about this and they've explained that they've seen the worst you could possibly imagine and they don't have like negative impacts from it.

00:16:01.000 Like, you know, I don't know.

00:16:03.000 I don't know what that means, but I think some people are attuned to like make it through these things without having, you know, like issues or, you know.

00:16:13.000 post-traumatic stress disorder, whatever, whatever supposed to be called.

00:16:16.000 And some people are heavily impacted by it.

00:16:18.000 I don't I don't know.

00:16:18.000 I don't know what it is.

00:16:19.000 I've never heard that before.

00:16:21.000 But I mean, going back to those kids, though, who were protesting, I mean, more kids pre COVID died every year from the flu in school.

00:16:30.000 And everyone's heard this argument a million times, we never shut down for the flu, but we didn't.

00:16:34.000 Like, you found out your classmate had the flu, and it was like, oh dude, don't come to school, you're gonna get everyone sick.

00:16:39.000 But schools didn't shut down.

00:16:40.000 But we lost hundreds of thousands of Americans every year to the flu, and it was just kind of understood.

00:16:46.000 And kids were susceptible to that.

00:16:48.000 I do think it's fair to point out, though, the long-term effects of COVID, the potential long-term effects are what's worrying.

00:16:54.000 And to be fair, what they're saying about young people is that they're a transmission vector.

00:16:59.000 So the kids aren't the ones being impacted, but they're negatively impacting old people.

00:17:03.000 And my response to this is like, since when do we have the young people make sacrifices for the old people? 1.00

00:17:08.000 I understand these are serious issues and people are concerned, and we definitely don't want old people dying. 0.99

00:17:12.000 We don't want anybody to die.

00:17:13.000 But at a certain point, I mean, I look at what happened with Fukushima in Japan, when the old people went and volunteered to go into the reactor to shut it down, knowing that this was the end of their lives.

00:17:22.000 But they were saying things like, I'm going to sacrifice what I have left to help the next generation.

00:17:27.000 And so what I really want to get to here is, you know, look, I'm not a doctor.

00:17:31.000 I can recognize that there are health risks.

00:17:32.000 There are a bunch of stories about, like, teenagers who lost taste and smell for, like, a prolonged period. 0.62

00:17:37.000 I'm sure that sucks.

00:17:38.000 But, you know, I'm losing my train of thought. 0.78

00:17:40.000 What was I going to say?

00:17:41.000 The kids, the suicides that we've seen spiking in certain countries.

00:17:41.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:46.000 And, you know, whether it's one life or a hundred, there was a story of a guy I knew, an acquaintance, he's a tech CEO, his son killed himself.

00:17:57.000 Because this kid, I think he was like 10 years old, and he spent a year in lockdown.

00:18:02.000 Yeah.

00:18:03.000 Basically solitary.

00:18:04.000 Never seen his friends.

00:18:05.000 Life was stopped.

00:18:06.000 And I don't think the adults realized what this is doing to children psychologically.

00:18:10.000 That's 10% of his life experienced in a house.

00:18:14.000 You can't leave.

00:18:15.000 You can't go outside.

00:18:16.000 Everything's shut down.

00:18:17.000 You can't.

00:18:18.000 You can't.

00:18:19.000 That's what happened.

00:18:20.000 And eventually it's just like the kid couldn't take it.

00:18:22.000 I was I was really surprised to hear the story to be honest.

00:18:25.000 Because like the idea that these kids We're, you know, pushed into that frame of mind to me was crazy.

00:18:31.000 And their parents are right there.

00:18:32.000 And there's like ample opportunity for the parents to be there with their kids.

00:18:36.000 And but we see more and more stories about this.

00:18:39.000 Adults can handle this stuff better than kids can.

00:18:42.000 And that's what we've got to be worried about. 0.97

00:18:44.000 Obviously, we don't want diseases spreading and COVID sucks.

00:18:47.000 But at what point are we going to be like the lockdowns destroying the economy?

00:18:53.000 Nursing home stuff that Cuomo and these other governors did literally murdered people.

00:18:56.000 How about we do the opposite?

00:18:59.000 We allow the economy to function, we put some restrictions in place that protect the elderly and the immunocompromised so they're all, you know, taken care of, and then we make sure the nursing homes aren't dying, and the kids can live their lives without feeling depression and suicidal thoughts and things like that. 0.87

00:19:12.000 Well, that was the purpose of rushing the vaccine, which I know is now FDA approved, at least one of them.

00:19:17.000 But the purpose of the quick vaccine and Operation Warp Speed was to protect the elderly. 0.63

00:19:23.000 It was for older adults.

00:19:25.000 It was for older adults to say, we don't expect you, Grandma and Grandpa, to live the rest of your golden years in your living room, so let's get a vaccine that you can get back into society.

00:19:35.000 And that has gone from, let us get a vaccine to protect the vulnerable to give your 16-year-old in hell.

00:19:41.000 You said you don't know the long-term effects of of COVID, and I know renal issues have come out now as a long-term effect.

00:19:48.000 What is the long-term effect of a vaccine that no one knows the long-term effect of?

00:19:53.000 Right.

00:19:54.000 Well, let's jump to the story from CNN.

00:19:55.000 My friends, this is big, big news, and they buried the lead.

00:19:58.000 No joke.

00:19:59.000 CNN buried the lead.

00:20:01.000 Check this out.

00:20:01.000 So here's what it says, mid-article, CNN from today, survey.

00:20:06.000 More than 80% of Americans 16 and older have immunity.

00:20:10.000 The survey led by the CDC also indicates that about twice as many people have been infected with the virus as have been officially counted.

00:20:17.000 More than 39 million Americans have been diagnosed with COVID infections since the pandemic started in 2020.

00:20:23.000 The team led by the CDC's Dr. Jefferson Jones set out to determine how close the U.S.

00:20:27.000 might be to some kind of herd immunity, although they do not claim to have any kind of handle on that yet.

00:20:33.000 They worked with 17 blood collection organizations working in all 50 states plus DC and Puerto Rico to test blood covering 74% of the population.

00:20:43.000 In the end, they tested 1.4 million samples.

00:20:47.000 I know, Ian, you were asking about the sample size.

00:20:49.000 1.4 million!

00:20:52.000 In July 2020, before any vaccine was available, 3.5% of samples carried antibodies to SARS-CoV-2.

00:20:58.000 That rose to 11.5 by December.

00:21:01.000 By May, 83.3% of samples had antibodies to the virus, most of them from vaccination.

00:21:07.000 Epic.

00:21:08.000 Now here's the funny part.

00:21:10.000 What's the actual story?

00:21:11.000 CNN says U.S.

00:21:12.000 states that had some of the worst COVID-19 case rates in past week also reported the highest rates of new vaccinations.

00:21:24.000 So this is CNN.com.

00:21:26.000 We got it pulled up.

00:21:26.000 I'm showing you.

00:21:27.000 We've got the NewsGuard.

00:21:28.000 Wow.

00:21:29.000 NewsGuard says CNN doesn't handle the difference between opinion and news responsibly.

00:21:32.000 Thank you, News Guard.

00:21:33.000 Come on the show someday.

00:21:35.000 That's a good call out, mind you.

00:21:38.000 But this is it.

00:21:38.000 This is CNN Health.

00:21:40.000 And they straight up are saying 80% of Americans 16 and older have immunity.

00:21:45.000 Let me show you this from Forbes.

00:21:47.000 officials, including Fauci, previously estimated that herd immunity threshold to be about 60 to 70% of the population, deeming that goal reachable once vaccines were available.

00:21:47.000 Top U.S.

00:21:57.000 Yo, it sounds like the vaccines worked.

00:21:59.000 There's a couple things.

00:22:00.000 Real quick, it sounds like Operation Warp Speed worked.

00:22:03.000 Joe Biden moved up the timeline of vaccines by about a month.

00:22:06.000 Sounds like that worked.

00:22:07.000 And it sounds like now, based on CNN's reporting of CDC data of reviewing 1.4 million samples, 80% have immunity due to the vaccines.

00:22:16.000 This is cause for celebration, right?

00:22:17.000 Everybody should be really happy about this.

00:22:18.000 Let the roaring 20s begin.

00:22:20.000 Yeah.

00:22:20.000 Yeah, we're there.

00:22:21.000 Let's do it.

00:22:22.000 My two questions are one, are these immunity?

00:22:25.000 Have they developed immunity for a different strain, like the alpha strain when we have the delta strain out now?

00:22:30.000 And two, have they developed partial immunity as opposed to total immunity?

00:22:34.000 Can you have partial immunity and still be considered immune?

00:22:34.000 Are they different?

00:22:37.000 Is a good question.

00:22:38.000 They say this was all pre-Delta.

00:22:40.000 The researchers caution.

00:22:42.000 Plus they didn't measure the other part of the human response, one involving cells and his T-cells, and one that might induce broader immunity.

00:22:48.000 But knowing who has antibodies can help inform public health efforts.

00:22:52.000 Quote, several large studies have shown that among individuals who are seropositive from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 incidence is reduced by 80 to 95 percent, similar to vaccine efficacy estimates they noted.

00:23:05.000 The study will continue until at least December 2021, and results will be made available on the CDC's website, they wrote.

00:23:11.000 You see, There we go.

00:23:13.000 That said that people that have had it have also.

00:23:16.000 They were referencing the other part of the study where it said that people who have caught COVID have similar immunity to those who have been vaccinated.

00:23:24.000 This is the CDC.

00:23:25.000 You know what?

00:23:26.000 YouTube might not be happy with us.

00:23:28.000 This is good news.

00:23:28.000 I don't know.

00:23:29.000 Regardless of politics, this is what we were aiming for two years, a year and a half ago.

00:23:33.000 And this is, I mean, ultimately immunity is what we're looking for or some sort of resistance.

00:23:37.000 I mean, this is amazing.

00:23:39.000 So in light of this news, we can expect for all the local and state governments and the federal government to start rolling back all the regulations, to start making adjustments to the whole lockdown situation we've been living through for the past 15, 16 months?

00:23:49.000 There is nothing more permanent than a temporary government.

00:23:51.000 We'll see the populations making that happen as we see with the kids walking out.

00:23:55.000 Exactly.

00:23:56.000 I don't know what to say to you other than share this with people, let them know the good news.

00:24:02.000 And I genuinely mean this, this is good news.

00:24:05.000 This is fantastic.

00:24:06.000 Absolutely.

00:24:07.000 83.3% according to the CDC survey.

00:24:09.000 So we need to start taking that consideration because now it's time to bring the economy back, help our kids, get everyone back on track.

00:24:15.000 And it's time to celebrate, declare victory.

00:24:17.000 And to all the people who are, you know, I'll say it right now, all the people in the big cities and all those Democrats who are like vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, congratulations.

00:24:25.000 You did it.

00:24:26.000 You got enough people vaccinated, at least according to this so far.

00:24:30.000 Maybe it's a little preliminary, but if we're basing our judgments off CDC data, and this is the survey led by the CDC, well then, there we go, baby.

00:24:38.000 It's time to rock.

00:24:40.000 Let's go to the movies.

00:24:40.000 Fauci came out on Fox News, said that the Mu COVID variant is not an immediate threat to Americans.

00:24:46.000 I don't know if we're going to talk about this story at all, but that's very promising as well, because if it's continuing to evolve, this virus, and it's just, according to Fauci, not going to be a threat.

00:24:54.000 Then there's a good future.

00:24:57.000 I mean, you know what it sounds like?

00:24:58.000 It sounds like we had a real risk with a novel virus that came out last year.

00:25:02.000 Maybe we overreacted.

00:25:03.000 Some people did really awful things like Cuomo.

00:25:05.000 He's a bad guy.

00:25:06.000 And this is what we said last year, all last year.

00:25:10.000 The issue was that because it was novel, it was likely to spread rapidly.

00:25:14.000 And so we were like, we got to slow the spread.

00:25:16.000 Well, maybe a year and a half, you know, and a vaccine to slow the spread was a little bit more than we thought was going to happen.

00:25:22.000 But at this point, do we now just say like, all right, let's let's let's start bringing things back.

00:25:27.000 Let's bring back the businesses, the movies, the restaurants, drop the mandates.

00:25:31.000 I think we should put that on the table for sure.

00:25:33.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:25:34.000 Well, this is so interesting to me, too, because I think it was just last week we were talking about, I think it was Thomas Massey tweeted out a study about how natural immunity is at least comparable to vaccine immunity.

00:25:45.000 And he that tweet was super restricted.

00:25:47.000 You couldn't respond to it.

00:25:48.000 This is an Israeli study that hadn't been peer reviewed yet, and they were treating it like it was absolutely lies.

00:25:54.000 And it turns out that it definitely wasn't.

00:25:56.000 This is entirely the case.

00:25:57.000 So they're not just talking about vaccination here.

00:25:59.000 They're also talking about, like, being recovered from it.

00:26:02.000 I think that was the tweet that someone tweeted at him, like, what would you know?

00:26:05.000 You're not a scientist.

00:26:06.000 And he tweeted back his diploma from MIT with, like, masters in science.

00:26:11.000 And he just said, that's pretty damn funny.

00:26:13.000 I thought that was pretty good.

00:26:15.000 I love him.

00:26:16.000 But I guess the question will be, coming from this, is in terms of government, in terms of government overreach, was all this for our own good?

00:26:24.000 And obviously there's an argument about whether or not government should even be caring about our own good.

00:26:29.000 Or is it about something larger?

00:26:30.000 Because if we're hitting this herd immunity and we're heading in the right direction and we're celebrating and bring back the freedoms, etc.

00:26:37.000 If it doesn't start rolling back, well then you know this was all just a load of bunk, right?

00:26:42.000 So that will be the real question which I think has people genuinely concerned.

00:26:47.000 I don't think you're going to see government saying like, hey look, we solved this problem and now everything will go back to normal.

00:26:53.000 So that will be a huge question.

00:26:54.000 I have a question for all you guys.

00:26:57.000 You mentioned that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is FDA approved.

00:27:02.000 I don't remember which one.

00:27:03.000 One of them is, well, didn't one just get FDA approval?

00:27:05.000 Comirnity, I believe is what it's called.

00:27:07.000 I don't remember which one.

00:27:09.000 It's a version.

00:27:10.000 Tim's probably going to start talking a little bit more about this.

00:27:12.000 It's a version of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine called Comirnity.

00:27:18.000 It's basically the exact same formulation, but what they did is they gave it a name, a proprietary name.

00:27:23.000 And then the FDA approved that.

00:27:25.000 So the Pfizer-BioNTech one is still not approved even though it's the exact same one.

00:27:30.000 So it's like the distinct legal names have a difference, but this matters.

00:27:35.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:27:36.000 We have this from the FDA.gov.

00:27:38.000 FDA approves first COVID-19 vaccine.

00:27:40.000 They say, This is August 23rd.

00:27:42.000 Today, the U.S.

00:27:44.000 FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine.

00:27:46.000 The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and will now be marketed as Community for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.

00:27:57.000 Community, it's called.

00:27:59.000 No, it's community.

00:28:01.000 Community.

00:28:02.000 Okay, thank you.

00:28:02.000 The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization, including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.

00:28:13.000 So I guess they're not, they're advising boosters.

00:28:15.000 We haven't gotten to the booster point yet.

00:28:17.000 I think some people have already gotten them.

00:28:18.000 But they do mention it is, so basically the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine Under Section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, when the Secretary of HHS declares that an emergency use authorization is appropriate, FDA may authorize unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products

00:28:48.000 to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases

00:28:53.000 or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when certain criteria are met, including there are no

00:29:00.000 adequate approved and available alternatives. The HHS declaration to support such use must be based

00:29:06.000 on one of the four types of determinations of threats or potential threats by the Secretary

00:29:10.000 of HHS, Homeland Security, or Defense. Okay, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is approved.

00:29:18.000 Does that mean now that they've approved this vaccine, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson will lose EUA?

00:29:25.000 That's my question.

00:29:26.000 Because what I read from you is from FDA.gov.

00:29:28.000 It's from the government website.

00:29:30.000 Let me show you.

00:29:30.000 You've got the NewsGuard certified right here.

00:29:33.000 And this is really interesting.

00:29:35.000 NewsGuard says the FDA does not correct errors, they don't reveal who's in charge, and they don't provide the names of content creators.

00:29:41.000 That I find fascinating.

00:29:42.000 But this is a government website.

00:29:44.000 Alright, we're supposed to be basing everything off what the government says.

00:29:46.000 We've got FDA approval.

00:29:47.000 They say, in order to receive EUA, there must be no alternative.

00:29:52.000 Now, I could simply argue this.

00:29:55.000 They all already have emergency use authorization.

00:29:58.000 It doesn't say you immediately lose it.

00:30:00.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:30:03.000 I mean, okay, so you're not supposed to give emergency authorization to these other ones because they already had it.

00:30:08.000 They're just, it's okay.

00:30:09.000 Well, this is the question I'm asking.

00:30:10.000 Is the FDA now going to come in and revoke that EUA from Moderna and Johnson & Johnson and just say Pfizer's the one that's approved?

00:30:18.000 Because it is.

00:30:18.000 It literally is.

00:30:19.000 I mean, FDA said they approved it.

00:30:20.000 I guess the question is, will they and should they?

00:30:22.000 Two different questions.

00:30:23.000 I don't know.

00:30:23.000 Should they?

00:30:24.000 Will they?

00:30:24.000 Maybe.

00:30:25.000 I don't think so.

00:30:26.000 There's a letter to the FDA explaining that they are legally distinct, even though the same formulation, because marketing something under a brand is specific.

00:30:33.000 But that doesn't change the fact that there is an FDA.

00:30:36.000 Some people said, they're like, oh, it's not really FDA approved because it's under a different name.

00:30:40.000 And I'm like, no, there is an effective alternative treatment available, FDA approved, under Comirnity.

00:30:45.000 Oh, but it's not available yet.

00:30:46.000 Comirnity, right?

00:30:47.000 Is it?

00:30:48.000 Yesterday you were saying it's not available yet.

00:30:49.000 No, no, no, I don't know if it's available.

00:30:52.000 People have said.

00:30:53.000 So I'm wondering, you call your doctor and ask, is community available?

00:30:56.000 I honestly don't know.

00:30:56.000 Pretty soon there'll be commercials.

00:30:58.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:30:59.000 But my question is very, very simple.

00:31:01.000 Did Moderna and Johnson, are their stocks going to plummet now?

00:31:04.000 I would wonder if they could make the argument, again, I'm not a pharmacologist, I don't know, but are there different medical circumstances where one vaccine would be preferable to the other?

00:31:16.000 Right now it seems like, which one are you going to get?

00:31:18.000 Like, I don't know, CVS has the Johnson & Johnson and Walgreens has, I just, no one seemed to know which one they were getting or why.

00:31:26.000 Most people I know got Johnson & Johnson because it was one shot, but otherwise they didn't know.

00:31:31.000 So the only argument I would say is if they can say for these reasons, people who have X, Y, or Z genetic makeup, I don't even know how to describe this, they should get Moderna.

00:31:42.000 So even though Pfizer's is the one that's now Comirnaty, but you need Johnson & Johnson for X reasons so we still have emergency authorization.

00:31:51.000 That's how I would argue it.

00:31:52.000 So I've got this from FDA.gov.

00:31:54.000 This is a document says Pfizer BioNTech COVID vaccine EUA LOA reissued August 23.

00:32:01.000 There is a footnote that says the licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the emergency use authorization authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccine series vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns.

00:32:16.000 The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness.

00:32:21.000 Well, didn't the one guy from the FDA just leave to go join the board of Pfizer?

00:32:26.000 That made the news the other day.

00:32:29.000 And people were like, well, that's kind of curious.

00:32:32.000 So you just left the FDA?

00:32:34.000 No, no, no, no.

00:32:35.000 That's that's from years ago.

00:32:37.000 I thought that was years ago.

00:32:38.000 Really?

00:32:39.000 Over two years ago, two people did step down.

00:32:39.000 Yeah.

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 That was, that was because they're pushing for boosters before they've been approved and they were upset about that.

00:32:46.000 I just saw that also, but now I'm going to look and make sure it's not fake news.

00:32:51.000 June 27th, 2019, former FDA commissioner, Scott Gottlieb joins Pfizer board of directors.

00:32:55.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:32:56.000 You're saying that the news is that Scott Lieb left the FDA now and went back to Pfizer.

00:33:01.000 This is the guy that resigned from the FDA, just went back to Pfizer?

00:33:03.000 As the story says, former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb joins Pfizer's board of directors,

00:33:07.000 and this is from 2019.

00:33:09.000 But you're saying he went from Pfizer to the FDA.

00:33:11.000 I saw something that's...

00:33:13.000 So I might have seen something that was not accurate.

00:33:16.000 So that's why I don't even want to continue talking.

00:33:19.000 To be fair, I saw the same thing and I was a little surprised too, but I didn't read the article.

00:33:23.000 And the only reason I was bringing that up is to say, well, then maybe that explains why one got the FDA approval and the other one didn't.

00:33:31.000 Not that we would ever think, you never see four-star generals go work for Raytheon, for example, or there's never any of that, like, you know, posturing between I don't see that story.

00:33:44.000 It could be that we're googling it, but I see CNBC from a day ago saying that he serves on the board of Pfizer, not the FDA.

00:33:50.000 So I think maybe people got it mixed up.

00:33:52.000 You see the new vaccine for Moderna is going to be called Spikevax.

00:33:55.000 No way, really?

00:33:56.000 Yeah, it's all Forbes article.

00:33:57.000 Great name.

00:33:58.000 Why Community is the new name for Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines.

00:34:01.000 Spikevax for Moderna.

00:34:03.000 You see all the people who got tattoos of their, like, teen vaccination?

00:34:07.000 No.

00:34:07.000 It's so weird, man.

00:34:10.000 So to the bottom of this, Community Maybe it's not available yet, and that's why they're able to continue the emergency authorization use for the generics, possibly.

00:34:21.000 If Community is available, then by the FDA's own standards, they've got to drop, maybe they don't have to drop the emergency authorization because they've already given it, but they're not allowed to continue to give more.

00:34:29.000 Maybe they're allowed to continue doing it because revoking an EUA is different from giving one.

00:34:34.000 I keep laughing because I already see the Cormernity commercials and like the mother and daughter making a pie and the dad's out and they're like, if you need to ask your doctor about Cormernity and then they list all the symptoms, right?

00:34:44.000 Like, don't take Cormernity if you have boom, boom, boom.

00:34:46.000 If you have teeth, if you have hair.

00:34:47.000 That's like, oh my god.

00:34:50.000 Cormernity! 0.82

00:34:51.000 They actually do say in the FDA approval letter and the product information for Cormernity, there is no information on long-term effects.

00:34:58.000 Those studies are ongoing and they're currently undergoing trials.

00:35:01.000 So people have concerns about that, and I think it's funny when you see all the smears about horse medicine, and they're like, oh, you know, ivermectin or whatever, which is not approved by the FDA for use in treating COVID, nor is it authorized in any way, just so you guys know, because, you know, YouTube says it's important.

00:35:15.000 I forgot what I was going to say, because I was ragging on YouTube.

00:35:20.000 Oh, yeah, but there are people who say, like, I'm concerned about long-term health effects, and then they get made fun of and mocked and ridiculed, and I'm like, Here's what bugs me. 0.97

00:35:32.000 I think too many people who have concerns are getting their perception of the CDC based on the Democrats and the establishment left who say stupid things all the time.

00:35:44.000 And the CDC literally gives you warnings about the vaccine. 0.98

00:35:47.000 They tell you about allergies.

00:35:48.000 They tell you about, you know, counterindications.

00:35:51.000 They tell you about all the data.

00:35:53.000 It's not like being hidden on the CDC website.

00:35:55.000 The FDA said everything I just read.

00:35:57.000 It's not hidden on their website.

00:35:58.000 They're not concealing these things.

00:36:00.000 But you go to like, you know, NPR and they're like, Joe Rogan took horse medicine.

00:36:05.000 And you're like, that's insane.

00:36:07.000 Even Oxford is doing a study on ivermectin, which they say is promising, but not yet conclusive.

00:36:13.000 And so I'm like, okay, here's what I said earlier.

00:36:17.000 Regeneron is FDA authorized.

00:36:20.000 It's not approved, it's authorized.

00:36:21.000 That's monoclonal antibodies, that's what Joe Rogan used.

00:36:24.000 Joe Rogan did a video where he's like, yo, I had COVID, I was feeling really bad, so we threw the kitchen sink at it, we did monoclonal antibodies, we did Z-Pak, we did ivermectin, and all these outlets are insulting Rogan over ivermectin, when the first thing he says was monoclonal antibodies, which is Regeneron.

00:36:40.000 Now, my question is, There is an emergency use authorization on Regeneron, not full approval, as a treatment for people.

00:36:48.000 And I think they recently authorized it for potential prophylaxis, meaning like you can take it to try and prevent COVID as well.

00:36:54.000 So my question is, if people really believe ivermectin is as powerful and potent as it is in dealing with this, Why wouldn't the FDA just give it an emergency use authorization?

00:37:05.000 You know, people are saying that the reason they're not, you know, taking ivermectin seriously is because they want everyone to get vaccinated, and I'm like, but Regeneron's available, and that's what Joe Rogan and Trump and many other people used, and it works.

00:37:16.000 Or I should say, we believe it does, and the FDA says it can be used.

00:37:20.000 So why not just do an EUA for ivermectin if they really had the data to back it up?

00:37:23.000 Why not ask yourself seriously, why are you so eager for Joe Rogan to be sick with COVID, right?

00:37:31.000 Like he comes out and says, this is what I did and it seemed to work.

00:37:34.000 And people were like, I wish you had died instead.

00:37:36.000 Like, what is this strange desire for him not to have succeeded?

00:37:40.000 If one of you told me you had COVID and you ate a lot of bananas and you were like, and the next day I felt great, I'd be like, that's really cool.

00:37:49.000 Like, I don't know, maybe bananas work.

00:37:52.000 So I don't understand this fascination like they want him to be sick to just not break the narrative and it's very bizarre.

00:38:02.000 This is something we've noticed.

00:38:03.000 People have gotten so mean.

00:38:06.000 We've gotten to the point where people would actively like wish that you just disappeared one way or the other.

00:38:12.000 I don't get it.

00:38:12.000 Like why?

00:38:14.000 That's, uh, I don't, I don't know what's going on.

00:38:16.000 I think I can answer, I can answer your question from earlier about, uh, why is things like ivermectin not being emergency authorized if, but other things, because it's the same, the same question, give you the same, a different question, give you the same answer is why is Pfizer creating a name for the, the vaccine called Comirnaty?

00:38:33.000 For profit.

00:38:34.000 Because someone owns that IP.

00:38:36.000 And they're gonna make massive amounts of money off of selling Comirnaty instead of the generic version.

00:38:41.000 You can't make money off of generic medicine.

00:38:43.000 Yeah, you can.

00:38:44.000 Not really.

00:38:44.000 Not big money, though.

00:38:46.000 You know, you can't own the IP.

00:38:47.000 So this Ivermectin stuff is like some generic $1.20.

00:38:50.000 I don't know how much it costs, but it's dirt cheap compared to what- But it is mass-produced by people, and I guess the problem I have with this is you start getting into the argument that, well, the studies must be faked.

00:39:00.000 So here's what we have.

00:39:01.000 We've got a bunch of studies that are propped up by a lot of people about the efficacy of ivermectin.

00:39:08.000 They show country by country data.

00:39:11.000 And then you have many other studies saying it's not effective and we found nothing.

00:39:15.000 I would have to make the assumption that one of those groups of studies would be wrong or intentionally lying.

00:39:23.000 And so I think we don't have to get conspiratorial on it.

00:39:26.000 If we have data saying Regeneron is effective and Joe Rogan took it and it worked, although he did take Z-Pak and Ivermectin, so people might judge whatever they want to judge.

00:39:33.000 Obviously the media is claiming it was the horse medicine the whole time.

00:39:36.000 But if we have data that these things do work, Then I think it makes sense to say we don't want to do an EUA on ivermectin because it's conflicting data right now.

00:39:46.000 So imagine if they came out and there's, you know, we had Dr. Chris Martinson, he's a smart guy, and he said that, look at all these studies saying it works.

00:39:53.000 And then I was like, look at all these studies saying they found no, nothing, no change, no positive fact, it literally had no impact.

00:39:59.000 And the response we got from him was basically like, oh yeah, well those studies, those are no good.

00:40:05.000 And I'm like, I can't make that decision.

00:40:07.000 I'm not the guy who did the studies.

00:40:08.000 I'm not a master of the universe.

00:40:09.000 I don't know everything.

00:40:10.000 I see studies and I see conflicting data.

00:40:12.000 Now imagine you are trying to recommend people because you want them to be healthy.

00:40:16.000 And you can choose to say, this one's got conflicting data, this one's got data showing it's efficacious, and Regeneron also.

00:40:25.000 Which would you recommend?

00:40:26.000 I think you can either believe in the malice of people and the profit motive and the greed and assume they're just lying to people about these other medications, or I think you can make the least amount of assumptions and say someone looked at it and was like, I don't know if that one's going to work, I don't want to recommend it.

00:40:43.000 Right?

00:40:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:45.000 Also keep in mind that companies that are producing products for profit often will not test against them intentionally.

00:40:52.000 You know, you don't have to spend the money to do the test to find out if everything's bad, and if there's no test showing it's bad, then there's no evidence that it's bad.

00:40:58.000 But you'd hope that's the role of the FDA, though, right?

00:41:00.000 It's supposed to be.

00:41:01.000 But we had a study on TimCast.com talking about the efficacy of, I think, what was it, Moderna and AstraZeneca?

00:41:06.000 We were in a study, and it was like, they worked against Delta.

00:41:09.000 That wasn't a study that was done by the companies.

00:41:12.000 So, look, I don't like big, massive multinational corporations.

00:41:15.000 I don't typically trust them, or massive governments.

00:41:17.000 I think they tend to be utilitarian.

00:41:19.000 I think corporations are very driven by profit and they want to make money.

00:41:22.000 But I also think, what am I supposed to do as a regular person, to all the regular people out there who are trying to navigate this world, keep their kids safe, when it's like, you've got people for competing political interests and tribal reasons trying to tell you to do something or not do something.

00:41:34.000 And that's why I tell people when it comes to all this stuff, I genuinely mean it when I say go talk to someone, your trusted doctor.

00:41:40.000 And if your doctor is not someone good, find one you trust.

00:41:43.000 Because the culture war is tainting everything and making it hard for people to understand reality.

00:41:47.000 So I'll put it this way.

00:41:48.000 I don't have the answer.

00:41:50.000 I don't.

00:41:50.000 You might.

00:41:50.000 You might have an opinion on the answer.

00:41:51.000 I just don't have it.

00:41:52.000 I literally don't.

00:41:53.000 But I think driving this also and making people distrust their doctor, the CDC, the FDA, the government, etc.

00:42:00.000 There is a huge lack of accountability as we learn more about this virus.

00:42:05.000 And what I mean by that is early on, we have to get hospital beds.

00:42:10.000 We were building hospitals.

00:42:11.000 We sent a boat, a Navy ship up to Manhattan because By this weekend, we will have 40,000 respirators.

00:42:18.000 We asked Ford to stop making cars because we need we need 100,000 respirators.

00:42:24.000 Those things never came to fruition.

00:42:25.000 But my point is like, how come we never hear the CDC be like, hey, look, early on, we thought this turned out not to be the case.

00:42:32.000 But now we know that every time they are asked about those things, it's like we are not false.

00:42:37.000 We never make mistakes.

00:42:38.000 And so people don't trust.

00:42:39.000 No, I completely agree.

00:42:42.000 When I look at the CDC and I look at, you know, Joe Biden brought it up.

00:42:45.000 Tuskegee, right?

00:42:46.000 Actually, he insulted the Tuskegee Airmen, which is something totally different.

00:42:50.000 Very different.

00:42:50.000 Not the Tuskegee experiments.

00:42:52.000 But he brought it up referencing that there have been things in the history of this country that make people distrust government.

00:42:57.000 I can respect that.

00:42:58.000 And then you have people who distrust massive corporations.

00:43:01.000 I can respect that.

00:43:03.000 Find yourself a Trump supporter doctor then.

00:43:05.000 I'm not saying you're a Trump supporter necessarily.

00:43:07.000 I'm just speaking in generalities.

00:43:10.000 If you've got the Democrats who are just like... The craziest thing is they tell me, you know, Casey Neistat, he's a good dude.

00:43:16.000 I think he's a nice guy.

00:43:17.000 But he tweeted out that he just pulled up to a parking lot and stuck his arm out the window and I was like, you didn't consult your doctor about... I think that's bad.

00:43:23.000 I think you need to do that. 1.00

00:43:25.000 And then you have on the other side people saying, yeah, well doctors are dumb. 0.99

00:43:27.000 And I'm like, then find a doctor who's not dumb? 0.99

00:43:31.000 Like, the culture war is not your place to take care of yourself, man. 0.99

00:43:35.000 People are manipulating you.

00:43:36.000 You've got people in every possible faction trying to convince you that they're right and you should join them for some reason or another.

00:43:42.000 And that means they're going to try and get you to trust certain things and distrust certain things.

00:43:46.000 And that's why I think individual and personal responsibility across the board.

00:43:49.000 That's what I'm all about.

00:43:51.000 So, but you know what doesn't help that is when you have like last week 75 doctors in California walked out in protest because we're not going to treat the unvaccinated.

00:44:00.000 You have a clinician who wouldn't give Candace Owens a COVID test yesterday because I don't like your politics, right? 1.00

00:44:07.000 So when the members of the community with the Hippocratic Oath But there are a lot of medical workers that are protesting the mandates.

00:44:14.000 So I think my answer is simple then.

00:44:15.000 Not not trust the profession, but I agree they did so much those doctors did so much damage to the field of medicine

00:44:22.000 But there are a lot of medical workers that are protesting the mandates. Yeah, so I think my answer is simple then

00:44:27.000 like Would you trust a conservative Trump supporting anti woke

00:44:31.000 doctor?

00:44:32.000 Would you would you tell a doctor that's confused by politics at all? Oh, I

00:44:37.000 I don't want their hands on me if they're thinking about Joe Biden.

00:44:40.000 We've had people on the show who have talked about how their doctors are like staunch conservative Republicans and Trump supporters, and gave them all the pros and the cons, knew all the stories, knew all the data, knew what the CDC had been saying about alternate treatments, and then made their recommendation.

00:44:55.000 I think we've reached a point where the culture war is so entrenched in every aspect of every institution, it's very difficult to navigate this stuff.

00:45:02.000 My fear is just that, like, you know, I go on social media, and I see the horse medicine thing, where they're, like, smearing Joe Rogan, as if to imply that Joe Rogan went to Tractor Supply and bought, you know, some tube of, what's it called, like, Avermectin paste or whatever, and then you stick it in the horse's mouth.

00:45:20.000 That's not what Joe Rogan did.

00:45:21.000 Joe Rogan's a very wealthy celebrity.

00:45:23.000 I'm sure he's got a team of doctors and they showed up and he was like, heal me.

00:45:26.000 And they were like, yes, sir.

00:45:27.000 And they started to go, no, I'm sure he went to the doctor and he was like, what should we do?

00:45:30.000 And they were like, let's throw the kitchen sink at it.

00:45:32.000 To imply that he went to a tractor supply instead of a Walgreens for his prescription is insane.

00:45:37.000 And it makes people distrust everything.

00:45:40.000 And you can't let the political agenda and the manipulators Screw with you.

00:45:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:45:47.000 I think you've got to separate yourself from the culture war.

00:45:49.000 You do your own research, you go and talk to a medical practitioner, someone that your family knows and that you trust, and you have a conversation about it for as long as you need to have it.

00:45:57.000 I think it's also important to not get triggered by the misinformation.

00:46:01.000 Because I want to sometimes.

00:46:03.000 It makes me kind of angry.

00:46:04.000 But just don't.

00:46:06.000 Don't get angry by it.

00:46:07.000 Yeah, it's the confusion that makes me angry.

00:46:07.000 Let it happen.

00:46:09.000 Like, I feel confused and conflicted.

00:46:11.000 And then, as a result, I feel angry.

00:46:13.000 But you see, in the culture war, there is a goal among, I think it's particularly the establishment, to be equally honest, which wraps up the Democrats.

00:46:21.000 It used to be the Republicans, but they, when Trump came in and broke the door down, they want you confused.

00:46:26.000 Makes you easier to control.

00:46:28.000 Makes you frustrated, scared, and say, I give up.

00:46:30.000 And that's why I'm like, don't give up, do research, and then find someone that you trust who's like, look, if you do fact-checking and you know something is true and something isn't, go to your doctor, ask him the questions, and if your doctor's wrong about some, like, very obvious fact, then you have a bad doctor.

00:46:46.000 I said it before about, like, hiring a plumber who can't fix a toilet.

00:46:49.000 Like, why would you hire that person?

00:46:50.000 And I admire what you're saying, and I agree with what you're saying.

00:46:54.000 You are much more non-partisan than I am.

00:46:58.000 But I think part of driving the culture war, as I see it, is, heck, last weekend, Deb Haaland, Secretary of the Interior, got married, went back to New Mexico.

00:47:08.000 Elizabeth Warren was there.

00:47:09.000 New Mexico has no more than 10 people indoors, masked at all times.

00:47:14.000 All these photos leaked.

00:47:15.000 Senators, the Secretary of Interior, the Governor, no one's wearing a mask, they're all doing the chicken dance, they're all having a blast at the wedding, and it's like, if you're the enforcers of this law that is supposed to protect us, and you're just like, you don't really have to follow it, well then, so I get it, I wish the culture war wasn't so prevalent, but when you see stuff like that, that I think tends to come from one side of the aisle, I don't trust a lot of what's coming out and it's hard for me to get past it.

00:47:43.000 I mean it's hard for me to get past it when you see that commonplace.

00:47:47.000 I'll say that I trust the CDC and the FDA substantially more than I would trust the press or any one of these government officials or Barack Obama and I don't have a lot of trust in government institutions regardless if they're the CDC or the FDA.

00:47:59.000 Elected leaders, I don't.

00:48:01.000 Right, right, right.

00:48:02.000 I just don't.

00:48:03.000 But so I lean towards the benefit of the doubt in terms of, and maybe to a fault because

00:48:08.000 I know the history of this country.

00:48:09.000 I think I love the meme where it's like if you trust the government you haven't been

00:48:11.000 reading history.

00:48:13.000 And I'm like, dude, the challenge is for regular people, not for those who are hyper partisan

00:48:18.000 There's regular people who are sitting at home and they're like, what do I do?

00:48:21.000 And it's like, you've got to get yourself away from the battlefield where everyone's slinging ideas and the news is constantly in conflict and people are saying you're a liar.

00:48:29.000 And there are people who are sitting there watching everyone accuse each other of being liars.

00:48:32.000 And I hear that they go, both sides are bad.

00:48:34.000 And I'm like, that's fundamentally false.

00:48:37.000 There is, like, conservatives who disagree on certain things, but will be honest with you, and the left, that has no visible principles in many regards, like, particularly with what's going on in Texas, which we'll get to.

00:48:47.000 And that's why I think people need to remove themselves from it.

00:48:50.000 But can you?

00:48:51.000 And I love in the culture war the amount of Kafka traps we plant now. 0.80

00:48:54.000 It's like, you are a sexist, and only a sexist would say you're not a sexist.

00:48:58.000 And it's like, wow, that's great.

00:49:00.000 So let's say, like, we just deal with each other like that on a regular basis now in the culture war.

00:49:05.000 You can remove yourself to a certain degree.

00:49:06.000 And what I mean is, if you don't have faith in your doctor, find one you'll have faith in.

00:49:12.000 But what, for instance, let's say that you have a doctor, a series of doctors that just pair at the same talking point without any proof.

00:49:17.000 For instance, my wife is pregnant.

00:49:19.000 We go to the doctor.

00:49:20.000 Is the vaccine safe?

00:49:21.000 The doctor says the vaccine is safe and effective for pregnant women.

00:49:25.000 But if you go to the FDA website, and I saw this, this is after the approval, and this is, let me pull it up here.

00:49:33.000 And it says, FDA.gov.

00:49:37.000 Let me try and Google search it.

00:49:38.000 Available data on comernity.

00:49:40.000 You have to slur when you say that.

00:49:42.000 Available data on comernity.

00:49:43.000 Administered to pregnant women are insufficient to inform vaccine associated risks in pregnancy.

00:49:49.000 And it goes on to say that there's no evidence that that immunity is going to be passed on through breast milk.

00:49:54.000 But the doctor will say that, you know?

00:49:56.000 So, what do you do?

00:49:57.000 Are you just stuck in a state of confusion and you don't know what to do?

00:50:00.000 I mean, that's a legitimate concern that I have.

00:50:02.000 Did you show the doctor that data from the FDA?

00:50:05.000 No, no, this was months ago when the doctor said that.

00:50:07.000 But this is just a brand new document that came up post-approval.

00:50:10.000 So this is FDA.gov.

00:50:12.000 We have it right here.

00:50:13.000 It says, Available data on community administered to pregnant women are insufficient to inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy.

00:50:20.000 A developmental toxicity study has been performed in female rats administered the equivalent of a single human dose of community on four occasions, twice prior to mating and twice during gestation.

00:50:30.000 These studies revealed no evidence of harm to the fetus due to the vaccine.

00:50:34.000 And then they have animal data.

00:50:35.000 Your wife's not a rat, right? 1.00

00:50:38.000 Just making sure.

00:50:40.000 Thanks for asking, though.

00:50:42.000 So, it's simple.

00:50:43.000 If you go to a plumber and you say something like, you know, the pipe in the back of my toilet is broken, and he goes, what do you mean a pipe?

00:50:50.000 They use small, miniature aqueducts.

00:50:52.000 You'd be like, that's the most insane thing this guy has no idea what he's talking about.

00:50:55.000 So if you go to a doctor and he doesn't actually read the stuff, you're a bad doctor.

00:50:58.000 Well, I would think that he would at least try to protect himself legally and say, there's no evidence at this point in time to say that it's not effective.

00:51:08.000 But he just parroted the talking point.

00:51:11.000 And I think that there's a lot of that happening.

00:51:12.000 And I don't think that these doctors are necessarily malevolent. 0.95

00:51:15.000 I think that they just might be, to some extent, ignorant or uninformed. 0.96

00:51:18.000 It's interesting.

00:51:18.000 It says there's insufficient, they said, available data is insufficient to inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy.

00:51:26.000 So the FDA did say that it was safe for pregnant women.

00:51:30.000 The Pfizer one?

00:51:31.000 Yes, safe and effective.

00:51:32.000 I think all of them say that.

00:51:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:34.000 The FDA did say that.

00:51:35.000 The FDA said it was safe and effective, then the FDA said it was indetermined if it was safe or effective.

00:51:39.000 This is the packet insert.

00:51:40.000 So what I have pulled up, this 20-page thing, is like what they give you when you receive the, you know, the vaccine.

00:51:47.000 Warnings and precautions, adverse reactions.

00:51:49.000 And I gotta be honest, the adverse reactions are overwhelmingly like your typical vaccine reaction.

00:51:54.000 It's like you get a headache and then you're fine.

00:51:57.000 Sore arm for a day or whatever.

00:51:58.000 That we get.

00:51:59.000 We've gotten vaccines before.

00:52:00.000 But it does say that.

00:52:02.000 So I guess my only concern is why the Pfizer insert is conflicting with what the FDA is advising.

00:52:08.000 And that's why I just say, like, I can't explain it to you.

00:52:11.000 And you shouldn't expect me to.

00:52:13.000 And I don't think it's responsible to go to internet personalities to try and figure this out.

00:52:18.000 And if your doctor doesn't even know about this, It's very, very difficult.

00:52:21.000 You gotta bring it to the doctor.

00:52:23.000 And they often don't have time or interest in reading it, but sometimes they do, and they'll learn, and they'll be like, oh, and then they'll start teaching their patients the new information.

00:52:31.000 I just, I just, I think it's time to take responsibility.

00:52:34.000 Like, the idea that you could just go to a doctor and assume they're good at their job.

00:52:38.000 The idea that you could just go to a journalist and assume they're telling the truth.

00:52:40.000 No, no, no, you gotta find good journalists.

00:52:41.000 You gotta do your research.

00:52:42.000 You gotta fact check.

00:52:43.000 Now you gotta go and actually seek out those professionals who you know and trust who are gonna take care of you.

00:52:48.000 That's not me.

00:52:50.000 The novelist John Gardner said something I've never forgotten.

00:52:52.000 He said, 87% of all people in all professions are incompetent.

00:52:56.000 So find that 13%.

00:52:57.000 You know, you got to dig, you got to work.

00:52:59.000 Wow.

00:53:00.000 Well, I mean, at least 50% are below average, right?

00:53:04.000 Actually, one of my favorite statistics that I was there is a statistic that something like 73% of Americans think they're above average looks.

00:53:11.000 It's like, well, a lot of math problems right there, right?

00:53:16.000 So yeah, I guess, you know, 87 is That's a daunting statistic.

00:53:20.000 I don't know.

00:53:21.000 Anecdotally, I think it might be accurate.

00:53:25.000 Let's bring up some of this hypocrisy from your traditional liberals.

00:53:29.000 And we have this story from Daily Mail.

00:53:31.000 Liberal Supreme Court justices tear into their colleagues for their, quote, flagrantly unconstitutional decision not to challenge Texas abortion ban, while Biden calls it an insult to the rule of law.

00:53:42.000 There's my question.

00:53:45.000 There's a bunch of people standing on the Texas state capitol or whatever and they're chanting like, hands off my body.

00:53:50.000 Why does that only apply to abortion and not vaccines?

00:53:54.000 Don't know.

00:53:57.000 Is there a reason?

00:53:58.000 Politics.

00:53:59.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:00.000 Exactly.

00:54:01.000 I mean, I do think... I know I'm getting cynical as I get older.

00:54:05.000 They are both huge industries that have a lot of money and a lot of 401ks and a lot of... The abortion industry is an industry.

00:54:13.000 The pharmaceutical industry is an industry.

00:54:15.000 And they have vested interests that go much deeper than just the cause.

00:54:20.000 I wish they would just be honest and not use the argument and it would fly better for someone like me, right?

00:54:25.000 Instead of coming out and saying, my body, my choice, like those high school kids and those middle school kids were saying the exact same thing, I'm like, okay, what about vaccine mandates?

00:54:33.000 And they're like, shut up. 0.99

00:54:34.000 All the response on Twitter when I tweeted this was all the establishment left types were just like, Tim Pool is a dim fool. 1.00

00:54:42.000 And they're like, high five each other. 0.96

00:54:43.000 And I'm like, you're not in this conversation.

00:54:46.000 That's a bad one.

00:54:47.000 That's a good one, guys.

00:54:48.000 No, that one's actually, that one's a classic.

00:54:50.000 That's a classic.

00:54:51.000 Yeah, the one that I think is the weakest is Pim Tool.

00:54:53.000 It's like, come on.

00:54:54.000 You can do better than that.

00:54:56.000 A little creative.

00:54:56.000 Yeah, you throw in some rhymes and then do a little rap.

00:54:59.000 No, the point is, if you don't have an argument, you've lost.

00:55:03.000 And they don't have an argument.

00:55:04.000 And so if someone said, I think the government should mandate vaccines, and I think I should be allowed to terminate a pregnancy, it's that simple, I'd be like, okay.

00:55:13.000 Like, I disagree with you.

00:55:14.000 Instead they're like, I don't think the government should force women, you know, to have medical decisions over their bodies, and I'm like, you don't believe that!

00:55:21.000 You're using some kind of liberty-minded talking point to trick people who want freedom.

00:55:25.000 Yeah, they definitely don't believe that because they will be the first ones to say, like, let it rain mandates.

00:55:29.000 If people have said, people have said on social.

00:55:31.000 Let it rain COVID mandates, right?

00:55:34.000 So they don't believe that as a principle.

00:55:37.000 They just believe it as a political talking point.

00:55:39.000 This is the thing, you know?

00:55:40.000 So it's like, when I'm tweeting, people are like, why aren't you criticizing conservatives?

00:55:43.000 And I'm like, because they were honest with me about what they want to do.

00:55:45.000 They didn't lie.

00:55:46.000 They said straight up, you shouldn't be able to do it.

00:55:48.000 And I'm like, okay, are you saying you should?

00:55:49.000 I think the government shouldn't intervene and have control over my body.

00:55:52.000 And I'm like, oh, okay.

00:55:53.000 So you're protesting the vaccine mandates?

00:55:55.000 No.

00:55:56.000 So you don't think what you just said?

00:55:57.000 Yeah.

00:55:58.000 Just tell me honestly.

00:55:59.000 Yeah.

00:56:00.000 I think the issue is, the issue of abortion is extremely unpopular.

00:56:04.000 Like, I should say, obviously the issue itself is unpopular, talking about it, but most Americans don't like it.

00:56:10.000 They just don't like it.

00:56:11.000 And I think even when it comes to, like, pro-choice groups, it's always, like, with heavy restrictions, and now you have this faction of far leftists who are, they're not even pro-choice, they're pro-abortion.

00:56:21.000 Actively pro-abortion.

00:56:22.000 Like, CBS News actually calls them pro-abortion groups.

00:56:25.000 I was, you know, reading this and they say, pro-abortion.

00:56:28.000 I have a good friend from Ireland who told me, who knows American politics pretty well, and said the reason why it's never going to be resolved here is because, he said, in Ireland, in Catholic Ireland, gay marriage and abortion were decided by referendum.

00:56:44.000 And he said even people who disagree with them know the majority of people voted a certain way.

00:56:49.000 And he's like, we don't have arguments about abortion and gay marriage.

00:56:53.000 He said in America you have them non-stop because the people never felt like they had a chance to voice their vote.

00:56:58.000 And I think there's a lot of truth to that.

00:57:00.000 I mean the abortion argument and even the marriage argument.

00:57:03.000 No people ever got to... Now I think if you gave people the option to choose I think marriage would pass pretty easily and I think abortion would probably pass but I think it would be a lot closer but people would at least say like I participated in this process, which does govern society.

00:57:19.000 But that didn't happen.

00:57:20.000 A court case happened.

00:57:21.000 And now the nine justices... Heck, Elizabeth Warren was one of the most salient things that I even tweeted at her when she said that we need to codify Roe into law to stop this from happening.

00:57:31.000 I'm like, so you're admitting it wasn't a law?

00:57:33.000 Yeah.

00:57:34.000 And if it's not a law, then the people whose duly elected legislators represent them in the Congress They never participated in the process.

00:57:41.000 And that's thoroughly un-American that these nine justices are deciding something this consequential.

00:57:49.000 It happens very often.

00:57:50.000 All the time!

00:57:52.000 Non-stop!

00:57:54.000 That's why everyone loves the courts, but that's why the left really loves the courts, because they never have the political will to move these agendas forward, so they have to do them through the courts.

00:58:02.000 When it came to the eviction moratorium, the Supreme Court was like, oh, don't look at us, that's Congress.

00:58:06.000 But many other issues, they're like, yes.

00:58:08.000 It wasn't even Congress, it was the CDC that all of a sudden you're like, I don't know.

00:58:12.000 They said that Congress has to codify.

00:58:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:15.000 But suddenly the CDC director gets to make rent?

00:58:19.000 You know, I saw you tweeting about that when you were like, this is just, this is my parents' retirement.

00:58:24.000 Yeah, it is.

00:58:25.000 And people are ranting against landlords when the issue has nothing to do with landlords.

00:58:29.000 It has to do with people who took that money from the COVID relief funds and spent it on other stuff or saved it instead of paying their rent with it.

00:58:36.000 Your parents are rich fat cats who are just sitting on all these properties.

00:58:42.000 Florida Senate says legislature ready to replicate Texas abortion bill.

00:58:46.000 So this is interesting because what the left is saying now is it's effectively the end of Roe v. Wade that women are losing their rights and every Republican state is going to do this and it's like but you can still get an abortion.

00:58:58.000 But isn't this just like a, at some level, just a reactionary move from, you know, consequential red states against the vaccine mandates in blue states and blue cities?

00:59:07.000 The abortion thing?

00:59:08.000 No, no, no.

00:59:08.000 Yeah.

00:59:09.000 No, Republicans are pro-life.

00:59:09.000 You don't think so?

00:59:12.000 Yeah, but it also feels like a political reaction.

00:59:15.000 I don't think so.

00:59:17.000 I know exactly what you're saying, and I agree with you.

00:59:21.000 I don't think it's necessarily abortion as a reaction to COVID, but I think red states as a reaction to the culture wars and the Biden administration.

00:59:29.000 Red states are getting red, like really red.

00:59:32.000 And blue states aren't getting bluer.

00:59:34.000 Can you get any bluer than current California and New York?

00:59:37.000 You can't, but I think red states are really getting redder.

00:59:41.000 And I joked, you know, The best thing that this life bill can do in Texas is that it will keep them from getting more Californians.

00:59:46.000 You know what's probably good for Texas?

00:59:49.000 People are saying they're going to leave.

00:59:51.000 Yeah.

00:59:51.000 Good.

00:59:52.000 We'll go back to California.

00:59:53.000 You know?

00:59:54.000 And that's fine.

00:59:55.000 That is the Tenth Amendment.

00:59:57.000 That is the spirit of our country.

00:59:59.000 And I am pro-life.

01:00:00.000 I admit that.

01:00:01.000 But if you want a pro-choice state, make a pro-choice state.

01:00:04.000 I'm just not going to live there.

01:00:05.000 But that's awesome.

01:00:07.000 I'm clearly married to a guy, so clearly I'm pro-gay marriage.

01:00:13.000 But if Alabama doesn't want to have gay marriage, I'm not living in Alabama! 0.99

01:00:17.000 Is that right?

01:00:18.000 I think that's unfortunate for Alabama because Andrew and I are awesome.

01:00:22.000 That's the joys of states' rights.

01:00:24.000 You live in Alabama and do all of the Alabama you want. 0.57

01:00:27.000 This is really interesting that these kind of things come up, though, is because the Supreme Court made rulings— No offense to Alabama, by the way.

01:00:33.000 Sorry.

01:00:33.000 I just— I threw out a state by— I didn't mean to interrupt you.

01:00:36.000 I just— I'm not digging— I love the South.

01:00:38.000 Loving v. Virginia.

01:00:39.000 I love the South.

01:00:40.000 Loving v. Virginia.

01:00:41.000 The argument from the proponents for miscegenation laws was that if these states want to ban interracial cohabitation and marriage, then don't live there.

01:00:53.000 And so there were, like my family for instance, my mom's side, forced to flee different states when people found out because it was literally illegal for them to be in a relationship.

01:01:01.000 I think that makes no sense.

01:01:03.000 And so the Supreme Court said it violates the Constitution, the supreme law of this country, to tell someone for these reasons that are arbitrary.

01:01:10.000 And so I think the same thing is true of gay marriage. 0.80

01:01:13.000 I think if, you know, we're gonna uphold someone's constitutional rights, right to privacy, and right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, and the privacy of their own home, Yeah.

01:01:20.000 makes sense for the Supreme Court to say you can't do this as per the

01:01:24.000 Constitution. And that means sometimes things happen you don't like.

01:01:27.000 Sometimes there'll be some Supreme Court rulings and you're like, man, that one's bad.

01:01:30.000 But, uh, you gotta trust that.

01:01:33.000 I guess you gotta trust that, uh, when we vote we get good judges and then, you know, you're

01:01:38.000 doing your civic duty to get Supreme Court justices appointed.

01:01:42.000 The main issue that I see is the Democrats talking about stacking the courts because they've lost it.

01:01:47.000 They've lost the argument.

01:01:49.000 And that's when things go south.

01:01:50.000 Because right now, if it's like, if the Supreme Court issues a ruling I don't agree with, we get active and we say, okay, we're going to fight politically to change hearts and minds and win the causes we do want.

01:01:59.000 But if they say they're going to stack the courts, then the process is done.

01:02:02.000 There's no path by which you can win other than just manipulating the system, and that's the collapse.

01:02:07.000 That is the rich, obnoxious kid whose birthday party you invited to who had to win because it was his birthday party, and every time he was losing, they would change the rules so that Timmy won because it was his party, you know?

01:02:18.000 And that's exactly it.

01:02:20.000 There are Democrat senators who are blasting the filibuster as a relic of Jim Crow when a year ago, Senator Tim Scott, who is black, who's a Republican,

01:02:32.000 they were filibustering his criminal justice reform bill.

01:02:36.000 The same senators who filibustered a black Republican last year are now saying,

01:02:40.000 we can't have the filibuster because it's full of racism and Jim Crow. 1.00

01:02:43.000 I hate the Democrats, man.

01:02:45.000 But you just can't change the system when you lose.

01:02:47.000 And sometimes you lose.

01:02:49.000 We lost in 2020, right?

01:02:51.000 We lost in 2018.

01:02:53.000 We being Republicans, I'm not even a Republican, but I'm trying to make a point.

01:02:57.000 Sometimes you lose and that stinks, but you gotta re-rally the troops

01:03:01.000 and you gotta have better messaging and better conviction and better, 0.98

01:03:05.000 but you can't just change the damn rules every time. 0.68

01:03:07.000 The year is not 2003. 0.97

01:03:09.000 We are not living in the era of the neocons anymore.

01:03:13.000 The populist right, the MAGA crowd, the Trump supporters, they stormed the Republican Party

01:03:19.000 and it's very different from what it used to be, but there's still many,

01:03:22.000 Establishment and neocon Republicans that are still in office, and I'll tell you this, I don't like the Republican Party because they are spineless, weak, and they just do nothings.

01:03:33.000 Why should I care about a group of people who don't do anything and are bad at it?

01:03:36.000 I disagree with a lot of them on their ideas, I can agree with some of the rhetoric around freedom, and then I like some people who ran as Republicans but are clearly much more libertarian like Rand Paul or Thomas Massey.

01:03:46.000 But I view the Republicans as, what are they doing?

01:03:48.000 Tell me, you know, I remember back when Trump was being impeached and stuff, I was talking to my mom about this, and she was like, you know, I don't hear you talk about the Republicans at all that often.

01:03:57.000 I said, oh, what'd they do?

01:03:59.000 In 2016, when they had control of everything, what did they do?

01:04:02.000 Oh, they were on board with Russiagate.

01:04:04.000 Oh, okay.

01:04:05.000 So my complaints about, you know, Russiagate involve them. 0.99

01:04:09.000 The Democrats are evil.

01:04:11.000 You know, and maybe it's a little bit hyperbolic to say, because not every single person who's running as a Democrat is a bad person. 0.90

01:04:16.000 There are a decent amount, you know, handful that are good people, just like the Republican Party has theirs.

01:04:21.000 But when you look at how they lie, cheat, and steal over and over and over again, I know the Republican Party was the exact same way.

01:04:27.000 It was the Uniparty.

01:04:28.000 They were the same thing.

01:04:29.000 But the Republican Party is something way different now.

01:04:31.000 It's a mess.

01:04:31.000 You know, you've got populist right-wing individuals that are running for Congress, which is going to make a very big change.

01:04:36.000 And then you've got the populist left that is coming into the Democratic Party, and I think they're authoritarian crackpots.

01:04:40.000 At least with the wave of right-wing populists, they tend to be more libertarian.

01:04:45.000 So I'll tell you what my concern is.

01:04:47.000 Democrats saying vaccine mandates.

01:04:48.000 I'm like, oh, okay, you're an authoritarian.

01:04:50.000 Adhere, take the government-mandated medical procedure, regardless of what your doctor says, is insane to me. 0.81

01:04:55.000 No medical or religious exemptions, that's insane.

01:04:56.000 It's an infringement of your constitutional rights.

01:04:59.000 Texas and Florida, red states, they're like, nah, we're not going to do any of that.

01:05:01.000 No, that's not true.

01:05:02.000 This abortion thing is a violation of your constitutional right to get an abortion, in my opinion. 1.00

01:05:06.000 You have a constitutional right to get an abortion? 1.00

01:05:07.000 I mean, you have freedom.

01:05:08.000 Nothing says you can't.

01:05:10.000 What do you mean?

01:05:11.000 I mean, the court's ruled, you know, you're allowed to, so...

01:05:14.000 I don't think they said it was a constitutional right.

01:05:16.000 Well, it's been interpreted that way for the last 50 years, but it's not.

01:05:20.000 I mean, the constitution is pretty precise and it doesn't mention it.

01:05:26.000 It is a right for these authoritarians to come in and say, we're going to make it so you can't now, because it's my spiritual belief.

01:05:32.000 Like, get off my back, dude.

01:05:36.000 But even this case though, I mean, it's getting blown out of proportion that this is now the beginning of the repeal of Roe, and it's really not.

01:05:44.000 This is the courts saying, you filed suit against a law that hasn't even gone into effect yet, and you don't have...

01:05:53.000 Right.

01:05:53.000 This is a little premature.

01:05:54.000 Like, don't shoot your load just yet.

01:05:57.000 Let's actually let the... Sorry, that was really vulgar. 1.00

01:06:00.000 I appreciate it, personally.

01:06:02.000 As soon as I said it, I was like, oh my god, did I just say that?

01:06:05.000 I'm so sorry.

01:06:05.000 I've been saying viral load for weeks.

01:06:10.000 But anyway, I think politics being politics, this is getting blown up as like, that's it, Roe is now over.

01:06:16.000 And this is the court saying, let's actually have a challenge to the law before you bring it to the Supreme Court, saying this law can't go into effect yet.

01:06:24.000 There needs to be someone who is negatively impacted by it to then be able to challenge it.

01:06:28.000 Yeah, so that's what people don't realize is the reason why the lower courts were like, nah, and the Supreme Court was like, nah.

01:06:34.000 So the lower court said, we're letting this law go through, and the Supreme Court said, we're not interested, is because there's no standing.

01:06:41.000 Where's the individual who's been wrong that is challenging this, right?

01:06:45.000 The constitutionality of the law.

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:48.000 I'm afraid about abortion is that it's going to always happen anyway.

01:06:51.000 It's one of those things that they try and say, like, now that it's illegal, it'll stop.

01:06:54.000 But, like, it's been, what did they say, 90?

01:06:57.000 The numbers of abortions are, like, staggering when you look at them.

01:07:00.000 Those are the ones only on record in the United States that we know of.

01:07:04.000 So there was an instance of a study that was performed on back alley abortions, which I

01:07:08.000 know is a big topic that people talk about a lot.

01:07:11.000 The guy went to his deathbed and he admitted that like half of the numbers he just made

01:07:16.000 up just like that.

01:07:17.000 He just made it up.

01:07:18.000 He just wanted abortion to happen. 0.56

01:07:19.000 He wanted it to be legalized.

01:07:21.000 He literally lied and I need to find the study.

01:07:23.000 You guys are welcome to fact check me.

01:07:25.000 But based on what my understanding of the back alley abortion thing, women are more 1.00

01:07:30.000 likely to die in an actual legalized setting, even with medical care.

01:07:35.000 They're more likely to have negative response to it and super regret after the fact than

01:07:41.000 any kind of back alley abortion.

01:07:42.000 Yeah, I don't agree with the idea that they'll happen anyway.

01:07:46.000 You know, we hear that a lot from a lot of the pro-abortion activists.

01:07:49.000 Used to be pro-choice people, but I don't know where they went, because I still consider myself pro-choice.

01:07:53.000 But the argument is that it'll more of, you know, oh, it'll happen anyway.

01:07:57.000 I'm like, I don't believe that's true.

01:07:59.000 I believe it may.

01:08:01.000 You know, there was like that viral instance, I think.

01:08:03.000 They held up a coat hanger.

01:08:03.000 I don't know who it was.

01:08:05.000 You know, we're going back to that or whatever.

01:08:06.000 And I'm like, that's messed up.

01:08:08.000 I'm not a fan of that at all.

01:08:10.000 But, uh, I think the overwhelming majority of women would just have babies. 1.00

01:08:14.000 Would they get, like, criminalized?

01:08:14.000 But what would happen?

01:08:16.000 The ones that tried to get an abortion? 1.00

01:08:18.000 What this law says is that someone can sue if they find out someone aided or got an abortion, and they can be rewarded up to, like, ten grand, I think it is, right?

01:08:25.000 Yeah, ten grand.

01:08:26.000 But not the woman herself.

01:08:27.000 Right.

01:08:28.000 You can't sue the woman.

01:08:29.000 You can sue the doctor.

01:08:31.000 It is really clever what they did.

01:08:33.000 So apparently it used to be that these laws always got struck down because the state had no right to intervene in medical procedures.

01:08:41.000 And so the state is saying the law actually bars the state from enforcing this.

01:08:45.000 It only allows for lawsuits where civil cases are brought by other citizens.

01:08:50.000 So that's apparently how they're planning to get around this.

01:08:53.000 But again, they're acting like it's the end of Roe v. Wade, but like you said, this was dropped because of lack of standing.

01:08:59.000 In which case, it could be another week or, you know, when it goes into effect, I think, was it like September?

01:09:04.000 No, it went into effect yesterday.

01:09:05.000 Right, on the 1st, right.

01:09:07.000 So we can have someone right now just be like, okay, I'm suing, and then the Supreme Court could be like, yeah, you can't do it.

01:09:11.000 And they will, yeah.

01:09:15.000 The law will be prevented from taking effect and they'll go into lawsuit.

01:09:19.000 I don't think it's going to change anything in the courts, but it is a necessary step.

01:09:25.000 You know what my issue is with the whole thing?

01:09:29.000 I don't know where the line is that you allow the government to say, we can mandate somebody provide their body to somebody else.

01:09:36.000 I don't know where that line is where the government is allowed to intervene in that capacity.

01:09:39.000 And I'm very scared about what that means when we accept the government can intervene in that capacity.

01:09:44.000 So let's just say, so here's the conundrum.

01:09:47.000 A woman ends up pregnant and there's a health risk, a very serious health risk, and she's devastated by this.

01:09:55.000 She desperately wants to have children and she's been struggling with it.

01:09:58.000 And so they go to the doctor and the doctor says, the baby will not survive and neither will you.

01:10:03.000 Our only option right now is termination.

01:10:05.000 And then what?

01:10:06.000 You gotta file a petition to the state?

01:10:08.000 Or is that an exemption?

01:10:10.000 In the Texas law, it's an exemption.

01:10:11.000 So the doctor can then say... Incest, rape, health of the mother are all exempted from this law.

01:10:16.000 That's when you just said... Really?

01:10:17.000 Incest and rape? 1.00

01:10:17.000 And when you said this law was very cleverly crafted, this law was very cleverly crafted. 1.00

01:10:23.000 I wouldn't say... Clever may be the wrong word.

01:10:25.000 I think perhaps the answer to that is fairly.

01:10:27.000 Solid.

01:10:28.000 Yeah.

01:10:29.000 They don't want this law to get struck down by the typical ways that it's been struck down in the past.

01:10:34.000 It's not about striking down.

01:10:35.000 Does that mean to say that they're actually creating a window for abortion as use of contraception?

01:10:42.000 If there is a medical exemption, meaning you can get a termination due to the health of the mother, incest or rape?

01:10:48.000 Well, after six weeks.

01:10:50.000 Before six weeks, anyone can have one.

01:10:52.000 There's no restrictions for before six weeks.

01:10:53.000 This is only after the six week mark.

01:10:55.000 That means the bill is actually saying women are free to use abortion as a form of contraception.

01:11:00.000 Absolutely.

01:11:01.000 Wow.

01:11:02.000 Until six weeks.

01:11:05.000 And then is that six weeks from conception?

01:11:08.000 I was just reading about this and sometimes it's not until two weeks after your last period that you can actually conceive.

01:11:14.000 So they'll think they're pregnant for two weeks and then they don't actually get pregnant. 0.94

01:11:16.000 And then all of a sudden they're pregnant.

01:11:17.000 Well, it's the heartbeat bill.

01:11:18.000 So it's not actually about six weeks.

01:11:20.000 It's about if they can detect a heartbeat, then you can't get an abortion. 1.00

01:11:24.000 Unless there's exceptions, you know, in those, in those regards.

01:11:27.000 It's, it's, so here's the conundrum.

01:11:30.000 Does the state then say, sorry, we don't care about the, the circumstances or whatever it may be outside of these exemptions.

01:11:37.000 We are going to mandate your body is, is provided to this other independent, you know, living. 0.98

01:11:42.000 Oh, confirm two weeks.

01:11:43.000 Conception typically occurs about two weeks after your last period begins.

01:11:47.000 All I know is that in case any one of the viewers are like, why are you guys talking about this?

01:11:51.000 Our friend Jack Posobiec made it clear, since men can get pregnant now, men can talk about abortion.

01:11:56.000 That's right.

01:11:56.000 That's correct.

01:11:57.000 And I was like, that was one of the most genius tweets I ever saw.

01:12:00.000 It was like, if men can get pregnant, we can talk about abortion. 0.90

01:12:04.000 Yes, but now it's, are you a birthing person?

01:12:07.000 But not talking about this law, which was what people were saying.

01:12:11.000 Jen Psaki, the president, they all talked about how this is a threat to the rights of women. 1.00

01:12:16.000 So the birthing person was not used today.

01:12:18.000 So now we are back to women are the ones getting pregnant, which I think for the trans community is incredibly transphobic.

01:12:26.000 I just, I just, I just, I, you know, I talked with Glenn back and we had a really, really great conversation about it because I was just like, I hear all your arguments.

01:12:35.000 I agree with a lot of your, um, you know, your, your, um, I agree with your starting point and where your arguments are coming from.

01:12:43.000 But then I think about the government saying, at this point in time, that independent living creature that is living off of your blood and using your body, well, we're going to make sure that that stays that way.

01:12:54.000 And I'm like, man, but this is my body.

01:12:56.000 I have one life to live.

01:12:58.000 You know, I don't want anybody to be like, I'm going to provide that body to somebody else by force.

01:13:03.000 And I know a lot of people don't like slippery slope arguments, but could there be a point where it's like,

01:13:07.000 there's an accident and the government says, well, you crashed your car and the person you hit, you both have the

01:13:12.000 same blood type, so we're gonna mandate you give blood to keep them alive.

01:13:15.000 Like, at what point are they then gonna get more and more invasive? Because...

01:13:19.000 Mm-hmm.

01:13:19.000 Entertaining the idea that the government has a right to intervene that you provide your body to someone else for

01:13:23.000 some moral reason Well, the person's gonna die and we can't let a life die

01:13:27.000 Especially when you have the opportunity to provide something to save them

01:13:31.000 So we're gonna mandate you do Then we have start having arguments about how much of your

01:13:35.000 body is welcome to be, you know Give it to somebody else now, of course

01:13:37.000 I know the argument the response to this is simply that like pregnancy is a unique circumstance outside of injury

01:13:42.000 So we could easily carve that out and say pregnancy especially arising from the individual choices like because

01:13:47.000 rape is exempted This is a woman who made a choice, got pregnant, and now is 0.96

01:13:51.000 responsible for that action.

01:13:52.000 I understand that.

01:13:53.000 I understand that.

01:13:54.000 I'm just, there's like a libertarian wall that stands before me, and I'm like, I don't know how you get past that, for me, morally, I don't know.

01:14:00.000 Well, I think Libertarians, as a political party, their platform is pro-choice.

01:14:05.000 Except for the Mises caucus.

01:14:08.000 Oh, okay, I didn't know that.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, Dave Smith is pro-life.

01:14:11.000 How could you be Libertarian and be pro-life?

01:14:13.000 Because their argument is that Libertarians do believe in the state, and they believe that one of the paramount things of the state's mission is to protect life.

01:14:23.000 What kind of life, though?

01:14:25.000 So, like, we have a government that is trying to make sure people can live, you know, and it's one of the goals of government to prevent death.

01:14:34.000 So stop someone from murdering somebody else.

01:14:36.000 And that's why they're pro-life.

01:14:38.000 Because they view the baby with a heartbeat as its own independent living entity.

01:14:43.000 It has its own DNA.

01:14:44.000 It has its own heartbeat.

01:14:45.000 It is growing and developing.

01:14:47.000 And at that point, removing it from the womb would terminate it.

01:14:51.000 In which case, you know, you can't do that.

01:14:54.000 But I do have a question in that capacity then.

01:14:56.000 Would there be a law that says the women can remove the baby At around five months when the baby becomes viable outside of the womb and then put into care and then adopt it. 1.00

01:15:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:06.000 Because if the real issue is killing the baby, then once the baby comes to a point where they know the fetus to be viable, you know, outside of the womb, could it then be removed?

01:15:17.000 Like, not to kill it, but to actually let it grow and live and flourish.

01:15:20.000 Very risky option.

01:15:22.000 I don't think most people, most parents don't want to have a preemie that's like, you know... But think about the argument.

01:15:22.000 It is, I know.

01:15:28.000 If the argument is that you can't end the life... I get it.

01:15:30.000 Then what if it doesn't end the life?

01:15:31.000 And you then sever it from, you know, the womb. 0.93

01:15:35.000 I don't see that as a viable alternative to the problem here.

01:15:38.000 But if the baby can live, isn't that... I don't think that's guaranteed at the five-month mark.

01:15:42.000 It's not guaranteed.

01:15:43.000 So then would there be a legal debate over like, well, let's six months actually, you can, you know, they can do a C-section or, or, or, or put the woman into forced labor and then the baby can be premature and then be treated to grow and survive because it works.

01:15:56.000 It doesn't kill the baby then, right?

01:15:58.000 So is it abortion or is it?

01:16:00.000 Induced premature labor and adoption.

01:16:00.000 It wouldn't be abortion.

01:16:03.000 Early pregnancy, induced pregnancy or induced labor.

01:16:06.000 Yeah.

01:16:07.000 The challenge I think that we're dealing with is the reality of what it means to be a living entity, trying to ask ourselves questions about individual sovereignty, bodily autonomy, but also the fact that we are biological entities that use our bodies for reproduction.

01:16:22.000 And then what does it mean that when a woman gets pregnant, There are two individuals involved.

01:16:27.000 That's how the law views it, especially in car accidents and murder cases.

01:16:30.000 If the woman's pregnant, there's two entities. 0.99

01:16:32.000 And then how do you determine rights for people who are attached to each other?

01:16:36.000 I'll give you another wild, crazy scenario.

01:16:39.000 Conjoined twins.

01:16:40.000 And, you know, they're both legally carrying firearms in the good old state of West Virginia.

01:16:45.000 But then one of the conjoined twins, in a fit of rage, just freaks out and shoots somebody in cold blood.

01:16:50.000 Wow.

01:16:51.000 Do you then put the other twin into prison Like, serious, I'm not saying that.

01:16:58.000 No, that's a fascinating argument.

01:17:01.000 You gotta say no to that.

01:17:03.000 I'm simply bringing this up to show the problem of trying to guarantee liberties to an individual when they're joined

01:17:08.000 together.

01:17:09.000 So basically we need a law that says conjoined twins cannot possess firearms. 0.73

01:17:14.000 Oh, yeah, like that's how you get away with if you have someone on an ink on an intubator And they're unconscious they and you are like their family member you have the right to pull the plug on that machine I believe right in most states if no not not not this was that was it the terry shop?

01:17:27.000 Yeah, yeah, there's there's states where you can't do it.

01:17:30.000 No matter.

01:17:30.000 Okay.

01:17:31.000 That's similar to abortion because the baby can't speak for itself It's essentially unconscious in your inside of you, and you have full control of its breathing And it's so you you have to make the decision whether it's gonna get the plug pulled or not then there's euthanasia Yeah, and I'm just like man.

01:17:44.000 I do not have the like I don't know.

01:17:49.000 I had friends flat out who say, when I hit 72, and if I start having, we talked about dementia before we went on.

01:17:55.000 They were like, I am flying myself to Switzerland, and I am not going to go through that myself.

01:18:01.000 I'm not going to put my family through that.

01:18:04.000 It's already daunting to have a 40-year-old friend say, oh no, that's the plan.

01:18:09.000 But people, yeah.

01:18:10.000 I would encourage them to research psilocybin before they do that.

01:18:15.000 I hear that that's good for dementia.

01:18:17.000 helps dementia clear the plaque off the the neurons.

01:18:20.000 Actually I think it's THC. THC will eat the plaque off the neurons in your brain.

01:18:25.000 I don't know about that Ian. Yeah there's video of it. Go on YouTube and watch THC eating.

01:18:30.000 Is THC the one that actually gets you stoned or is that the...

01:18:34.000 okay.

01:18:34.000 I always get my acronyms confused.

01:18:37.000 All of these things I think bring us to a very very simple point.

01:18:40.000 It's like that I think with a judge talking about porn he says you know it when you see it.

01:18:44.000 Yes, cannabinoids.

01:18:46.000 Remove plaque from Alzheimer's.

01:18:47.000 There's, the way I refer to it is, there's the particle form and the wave form of an argument.

01:18:54.000 The particle form is where we can easily quantify what is good and what is bad, and we say, this goes in the bad section, this goes in the good section, like, thou shalt not kill, we know that's bad, and, you know, but, well, I guess then we gotta carve out for, like, self-defense, and we gotta carve out for, like, you know, warfare and things where we find justifiable death.

01:19:07.000 Okay, well, Well, there's some things that are clearly bad.

01:19:10.000 You know, don't attack people unprovoked for no reason.

01:19:12.000 Bad section.

01:19:14.000 Then when it comes to how do we deal with the liberties of individuals when there's more than one individual in the circumstance that can't be removed from it and we're like, you know what?

01:19:25.000 There is no easily quantifiable way to define this.

01:19:28.000 And that's why I would describe more as the waveform.

01:19:31.000 It takes a massive gradient of different opinions in different areas.

01:19:35.000 And there's, you know, there's no middle.

01:19:37.000 There really is no middle.

01:19:38.000 Because if you're pro-choice, and this is something I recognize, there's going to be abuse of the system.

01:19:43.000 There's going to be people who are like, I'm just gonna use abortion as contraception, and I'm like, well that's wrong, right?

01:19:48.000 But I'm worried about the government getting it wrong.

01:19:51.000 I'm worried about someone being like, I have this problem, I need an exemption, and the government going, Nah.

01:19:57.000 And you're like, why do I have to ask you?

01:19:58.000 It's my life.

01:19:59.000 I'm honestly not concerned if some guy I don't know kills his own baby that I don't know in India.

01:20:05.000 I just don't care right now.

01:20:06.000 Do you care?

01:20:06.000 Really?

01:20:07.000 That someone somewhere you've never heard of is destroying an unborn baby that you've never heard of somewhere?

01:20:07.000 Yes.

01:20:12.000 What does that even have to do with you in the universe though?

01:20:12.000 Yeah.

01:20:14.000 Because I'm not selfish.

01:20:15.000 But it has nothing to do with you.

01:20:16.000 It has a lot to do with me.

01:20:17.000 If you get involved, you're being selfish.

01:20:19.000 No.

01:20:20.000 What does it have to do with you, man?

01:20:22.000 See, I believe life exists for the purpose of creating complex systems out of free energy.

01:20:27.000 And I believe that when you look to what we should do and what is good, good is creation, protection, development, progression, and bad is destruction and chaos and pain.

01:20:39.000 But too much good is cancer.

01:20:40.000 No.

01:20:41.000 Too much creation is cancer.

01:20:43.000 Right, so that's why there's good within evil, there's evil within good, there's yin-yang, there's a golden ratio.

01:20:47.000 There's destruction within good, there's creation within evil.

01:20:50.000 So, right.

01:20:52.000 Cancer is disorder.

01:20:53.000 You say it's like, it's evil creation.

01:20:56.000 No, but cancer is disorder, right?

01:20:57.000 The human body exists as a well-ordered machine that destroys cancerous cells.

01:21:01.000 It's part of the process to ensure that it persists.

01:21:05.000 But when the machine breaks and cancer develops, it's actually destroying the system and preventing the growth and development of new complex systems.

01:21:12.000 So when I hear stories about people somewhere else doing horrible things and destroying things, I'm like, this goes against what I view life is here to be doing.

01:21:20.000 They are causing massive destruction that's negative to the goals of development, creation, progress, etc.

01:21:29.000 So, I think it's bad.

01:21:31.000 And it's not just about me.

01:21:32.000 The world isn't about me and my perception of what I want.

01:21:34.000 I don't just exist so that I can have things.

01:21:36.000 I want the world to genuinely improve and be better, and I hope that there's a future out there in a hundred, two hundred years of humans traveling the stars and continuing the development of organizing energy into complex systems, and then eventually they ascend into a higher being of a greater level of development, and then eventually human entity, whatever it is, evolves, develops, creates robots, something else, that then starts creating its own universes as the next phase of the creation of complex systems.

01:22:00.000 Destroying things, breaking things for no reason, makes me mad.

01:22:02.000 But there is a reason.

01:22:04.000 That is to protect the woman.

01:22:05.000 For abortion, anyway, is the idea. 0.64

01:22:07.000 But I agree with that, right?

01:22:09.000 If there's a woman who would die, or it would cause destruction, then we intervene. 1.00

01:22:16.000 If it's a woman who's simply saying, I'm going to destroy, I'm like, that's bad. 0.97

01:22:20.000 The problem is if the government gets it wrong and they do all the time, I don't want the government involved.

01:22:24.000 And I understand that it'll be abused, which is a very difficult moral position, but I err towards the libertarian side because I'm scared of what government does with too much power.

01:22:33.000 I used to have pretty much your exact perspective on that, like what do I care if somebody has an abortion and whatever reasons they choose.

01:22:39.000 I had a pretty decent lefty indoctrination at university, but that changed when my son was born.

01:22:46.000 Going through that process of pregnancy and birth and then taking care of something that small and fragile totally reversed.

01:22:52.000 So I don't think that you can necessarily have that change of perspective unless you go through that yourself.

01:22:58.000 Because, I mean, that's at least where I'm coming from.

01:22:59.000 I mean, you had a very elaborate explanation for your perspective, but for me, it's very personal.

01:23:05.000 And going through that myself, it totally changed my perspective of abortion.

01:23:09.000 I hope your wife is watching right now, because that's the sweetest thing I have heard.

01:23:13.000 I got a little emotional, like, oh my god, I want a baby!

01:23:16.000 That was great.

01:23:18.000 We had, in our first incubation of the chicken eggs, I had 12 eggs.

01:23:18.000 I love that.

01:23:25.000 At one point, one of the eggs started to rot.

01:23:28.000 And I didn't know which one.

01:23:30.000 And I looked online and I checked the data and I asked some people and they said,

01:23:33.000 here's what you can look for.

01:23:34.000 But they were all identical when I candled them.

01:23:36.000 I took the light and put it in the eggs and I smelled them.

01:23:39.000 And there was more than one that was probably rotten. 0.98

01:23:42.000 And then I was like, damn, what do I do? 0.98

01:23:44.000 Because they explode. 0.98

01:23:45.000 They can burst because the bacteria grows in a minute.

01:23:47.000 And then it could infect the other eggs.

01:23:49.000 So you've got to get it out of the incubator.

01:23:51.000 And so I said, I candled as many as I could.

01:23:53.000 These look to be fine.

01:23:55.000 And I'm going to hopefully I'm getting the right ones.

01:23:58.000 And then when I took them out, One of them may have actually been a viable baby chick.

01:24:03.000 And I felt so bad that this, this life was growing and you could see it. 0.89

01:24:08.000 And one of them was black. 0.99

01:24:09.000 Like it was, it was like, there were a couple of them were just black came out like bacteria and gross. 1.00

01:24:13.000 And so I was like, I had to do that to preserve the development, the growth and the creation.

01:24:18.000 And I knew the risk was going to be that I could, I could actually kill one of the new baby chicks. 0.99

01:24:23.000 And I may have, and it was a miserable feeling and I feel absolutely distraught over it. 0.95

01:24:28.000 And it was just a chicken.

01:24:29.000 And now we have these three little baby chicks that jump around and playing and doing the little chicken thing and we open the cage and they jump out and they're jumping all around and they're very nice and they flap their little wings and they're adorable and they're living and I want to protect them.

01:24:43.000 And so when I think about the issue of, you know, life and, you know, all this stuff, I absolutely feel that way about other babies.

01:24:51.000 Like, I don't just hold chickens to high esteem.

01:24:53.000 I'm like, it is a painful feeling.

01:24:56.000 Man, I couldn't imagine what it must be to go through that, having to make these decisions or whatever for a person who's had to go to a clinic and deal with this stuff.

01:25:04.000 These are hard moral questions, man, and I am not a priest.

01:25:07.000 This has been the most unemotional abortion conversation I've ever been part of.

01:25:14.000 And that makes me think, like, how many more conversations could we have as a society where we all have very strong opinions and what is a more controversial subject than abortion?

01:25:25.000 And we disagree at the table, but boy oh boy was this such a, this is like an example of civility.

01:25:31.000 It was very nice to be part of.

01:25:33.000 I like that.

01:25:33.000 It's the Ben Shapiro thing that facts don't care about your feelings.

01:25:36.000 I think that this is one of those conversations that we need to be able to have because I know that I disagree with so many people and they're not going to change my mind and I'm probably not going to change theirs.

01:25:45.000 But you were talking about cancer, Ian, and you're also talking about maybe like a little baby in India. 0.76

01:25:50.000 You just don't really care what happens to them.

01:25:52.000 And I think that if you consider the fact, this is a very cliche, but if you consider the fact that if you're going to take a child out of the equation, you have no idea what their potential is.

01:26:01.000 They could literally cure cancer, but it doesn't matter if they could cure cancer or not.

01:26:05.000 Because if they could make one person's life better over the course of their life, whether they have down syndrome or something, or if they just become a parent who makes a positive difference in the world for their own kids, you're removing that from the equation without ever giving them a shot at life.

01:26:19.000 That's what I have an issue with.

01:26:20.000 It's not really emotional.

01:26:21.000 It's like, You don't F around with the potential of human life.

01:26:26.000 They could be Hitler. 0.82

01:26:27.000 For sure, yeah, obviously.

01:26:29.000 If they're born to a bad situation, it could be way worse than that.

01:26:29.000 To be fair.

01:26:31.000 I know, and I understand that.

01:26:34.000 There's good and there's bad people.

01:26:36.000 But I thought about something, especially why I oppose the death penalty, is because I read stories, and I read about people's experiences, and I was reading about death row.

01:26:50.000 And it was like a guy who was going on death row and at the very last minute they put a halt or whatever on the execution and then later turned out the guy was wrongly convicted.

01:27:01.000 And then I was like, I could only imagine being told, we are going to slowly walk you to a painful death.

01:27:08.000 Knowing that soon what makes you you the uniqueness of you would be snuffed out and you were innocent And I was like that is one of the most horrifying things.

01:27:15.000 I feel like a person could ever experience It's like a mock execution.

01:27:19.000 It's like you have no power You have done nothing to deserve this and we are going to end you now And this guy was, you know, there's a bunch of stories like this, but I was like, wow, I could not exp... I believe killing is wrong.

01:27:32.000 I believe that human beings are all... You know what's funny?

01:27:37.000 We can talk about a Bitcoin, you know, a crypto and its unique hash code, and how there can be trillions upon trillions all with these unique codes.

01:27:43.000 Humans are like...

01:27:47.000 To the 10th power, to the 100th power, unique.

01:27:49.000 Every little bit about them, from their ideas and their developments, to the words they use, to the way they speak, to the color of their hair, all become this extremely unique bit of data.

01:27:58.000 It's like you have to be... You know how two pieces of matter can't occupy the same space?

01:27:58.000 You know what?

01:28:03.000 It's almost like two formations cannot be the same in this universe, so that we're forced to be unique by becoming different than our surroundings.

01:28:12.000 I just mean to say that, you know, to quote Dr. Manhattan, or to paraphrase Dr. Manhattan, that, you know, with all the matter in the universe that could have come together, a woman loves a man she had every reason to hate, and all that came was you, a miracle, something that shouldn't exist.

01:28:27.000 Brilliant comic and brilliant movie.

01:28:29.000 And so each individual person is a miracle.

01:28:32.000 My dad, when I was young, I think we lost our cat or something happened to a cat, and I was like, oh, it's really sad.

01:28:37.000 Oh, the cat, he's so sad.

01:28:39.000 My dad was like, it's a cat.

01:28:41.000 And I remember, like, he's based in, like, a fireman, like, a legit blue-collar dude, just like, yeah, that puts it in perspective.

01:28:48.000 It was a cat.

01:28:48.000 Like, what are we doing here on Earth?

01:28:50.000 It didn't, it wasn't, like, I say, you're saying all life is valuable, but you're talking about human life, and you're saying killing is wrong, you're talking about murder.

01:28:56.000 I was talking about a chicken, bro.

01:28:57.000 I was talking about a chicken that made me feel miserable because I accidentally made a filter.

01:29:01.000 But it's a chicken, that's how, that was you feeling that.

01:29:02.000 But there is a hierarchy of life, though.

01:29:06.000 We respect all life, like, we shouldn't be killing things, but clearly, like, we do hunt, we eat meat.

01:29:12.000 Absolutely.

01:29:12.000 So yeah, so just to make sure we're not egalitarian in that sense, like, all life is the same.

01:29:17.000 It's definitely not.

01:29:18.000 It's definitely not.

01:29:18.000 And you were saying killing is wrong.

01:29:19.000 But there are practical reasons not to eat people.

01:29:21.000 Yeah, that's true, too.

01:29:21.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:29:22.000 We need to fight diseases.

01:29:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:24.000 But also, it's just, like, morally and ethically.

01:29:26.000 Although I would taste good.

01:29:28.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:29:29.000 You said killing was wrong, and I imagine you meant like killing humans was wrong when you were talking about it.

01:29:33.000 But, but like, is it?

01:29:35.000 No, killing is wrong.

01:29:36.000 Murder is wrong, because killing enemy soldiers is right, according to our society's moral standards.

01:29:41.000 Probably not.

01:29:42.000 I wouldn't say it's right, but I would say it's justified.

01:29:44.000 It's justified.

01:29:45.000 It's good for us.

01:29:46.000 I wouldn't say it's good.

01:29:47.000 Oh, it is good in war. 0.99

01:29:48.000 If you kill the enemy and you survive, it is good. 0.87

01:29:50.000 Well, in the sense that like, it's better than he kill you.

01:29:53.000 Yes, but I don't think it's not good.

01:29:55.000 I don't think gosh, that would be dangerous as a society. 0.97

01:29:58.000 If we say like, it is good that we killed all those arrests.

01:30:01.000 It's less bad, but it was necessary. 0.59

01:30:04.000 Justified killing is wrong. 0.99

01:30:05.000 Better I killed him than he killed me, but... Murder, you could say murder is wrong. 0.98

01:30:11.000 Destruction.

01:30:14.000 So, destruction for the purpose of destruction.

01:30:17.000 Destruction for the purpose of protecting life is different.

01:30:20.000 When we kill a chicken to eat it, it's because it's part of the process of organizing free energy into complex systems, and in order to survive, we kill and eat.

01:30:29.000 But if someone went around with a 410 and just popping off people's chickens, they'd arrest them and lock them up.

01:30:36.000 That's why I'm going after those animals that are eating my chickens. 0.99

01:30:40.000 Although he's doing it to eat.

01:30:41.000 The mom was doing it to feed her cubs. 1.00

01:30:44.000 She's just not doing it for my chickens anymore. 1.00

01:30:45.000 The fox is justified, so we have dogs.

01:30:48.000 It makes me think, at what point is it murder?

01:30:51.000 Because I think murder is inherently wrong.

01:30:53.000 Pretty much everybody agrees in our society that murder is wrong.

01:30:56.000 So are you murdering the baby?

01:30:58.000 Is it murder or is it killing of a life form that's in development?

01:31:03.000 Like at what point is it considered murder?

01:31:05.000 When you do it for no reason other than, you know what?

01:31:09.000 I didn't want this to happen and whoops, I'm not responsible.

01:31:12.000 So I'll just, you know.

01:31:14.000 I guess I just feel like the choice to abort is at best a poor executive decision on behalf of the mother.

01:31:20.000 Agreed.

01:31:21.000 You think it's better to give up for adoption?

01:31:26.000 I don't know.

01:31:27.000 That's really tough to say.

01:31:30.000 I guess there are some circumstances where that would be the case, but not always.

01:31:33.000 Maybe not even the majority of the time.

01:31:35.000 You know, I so want people not to get abortions, but man, there's literally, in my mind, I keep just hitting a libertarian wall of like, I don't understand why the government intervenes and stops someone from making a decision that I have no business being involved in.

01:31:48.000 Other than to protect innocent life, but then I don't know the circumstances.

01:31:51.000 There's no way I could know the circumstances.

01:31:52.000 That means there's going to be a lot of abuse. 0.99

01:31:54.000 And I'm like, damn, that sucks. 0.99

01:31:55.000 I have no idea what to do. 0.99

01:31:56.000 Yeah.

01:31:57.000 But that is the role of government.

01:31:59.000 At least we have it ordered, right?

01:32:02.000 We do ask the government to step in.

01:32:05.000 You mentioned Terry Shivo.

01:32:06.000 We ask the government to step in in those circumstances where the vulnerable do not have the ability to protect themselves. 0.99

01:32:13.000 Otherwise, let's just kill the homeless. 1.00

01:32:15.000 Right? 1.00

01:32:15.000 Who advocates for the homeless? 1.00

01:32:17.000 That's very different, man.

01:32:19.000 Why?

01:32:19.000 What's wrong with them?

01:32:20.000 They're strung out on drugs.

01:32:22.000 They're not coherent.

01:32:25.000 They're not contributing to society.

01:32:28.000 They pose a danger to a lot of them.

01:32:31.000 So if we just get rid of them, is that murder?

01:32:34.000 No, it's just culling.

01:32:37.000 You do bring up a really good point.

01:32:38.000 No, of course the government steps in is like someone has to protect these people from those who would do them harm

01:32:44.000 You do a really good point what when these international elites talk about humans as if they're livestock

01:32:51.000 Overpopulating. Yeah, they view it very you in a very utilitarian manner of like well if for the betterment of mankind, you

01:32:58.000 know We've got to do something about X. Well, what about that?

01:33:01.000 Yeah Yeah, like your libertarian sensibilities were saying you don't want the government to get involved in that.

01:33:04.000 Well, you know, the China one-child policy.

01:33:08.000 There are people here in America who talk about population control very comfortably.

01:33:13.000 And the rules that we should have of just one child per family.

01:33:16.000 Way to go with number two on the way.

01:33:18.000 You have to be a sociopath to entertain the notion of culling human beings.

01:33:24.000 Because as humans, we strive to protect each other and to flourish and to love and to live and we hold ourselves to the highest hierarchical standard in terms of life.

01:33:32.000 And hence the genre of post-apocalyptic movies and books from Hunger Games to the maze runner and the choo-choo train in the snow.

01:33:45.000 They're all that same idea.

01:33:47.000 But I want to just mention that I did ask Alex Jones this question when we were on the show and I said, what if they're right?

01:33:53.000 What if we are expanding too rapidly, ignorant to our own impending demise because we're like yeast in a bottle, eating the sugars and farting ourselves to death?

01:34:01.000 What if there needs to be some kind of intervention to make sure humanity survives?

01:34:05.000 And Alex said, it's a tough question.

01:34:07.000 I think about it.

01:34:07.000 You know, I ask myself that question every day and I just don't know.

01:34:10.000 It seems like there's two, we are two different things.

01:34:12.000 At one point we're desperate.

01:34:14.000 If we're hungry and starving, we become desperate, violent, wild animals seeking for our survival.

01:34:18.000 But then when we get past the base needs, we become this like effervescent thinking machine that can create and solve, well, create problem, create and solve problems, create solutions.

01:34:27.000 And that's, that's not there when you're like a desperate animal, that's just thinking about food, like a North Korean citizen or something. 1.00

01:34:32.000 No, but this is the whole argument of Locke versus Hobbes.

01:34:35.000 This is Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

01:34:37.000 We've been struggling with this for 2,000 years as to the true nature of man.

01:34:42.000 Is it this absolute beast of a thing that is tamed by his peers and by society?

01:34:48.000 Or is it this wonderful, loving, peaceful thing and society makes it this absolute animal?

01:34:53.000 And I go both ways.

01:34:54.000 Now that I live in the country, now I think society makes people worse.

01:34:58.000 For a while I used to think we were animals and society made people better.

01:35:01.000 But now I look at cities, I look at my hometown of New York, I look at DC, I'm like, I think society sometimes has a negative influence on the individual.

01:35:14.000 But you're absolutely right, we're not going to solve it in the few minutes we have left, but we've been discussing that for literally thousands of years, the nature of man.

01:35:21.000 What if just randomly at the end, there's a super chat we read, and then all of a sudden, everyone in the world's holding hands and singing songs.

01:35:28.000 Like to buy the world a Coke?

01:35:29.000 Then we all ascend into beings of pure energy.

01:35:32.000 I'll see you in my dreams tonight, you guys.

01:35:34.000 That's why I came here tonight.

01:35:37.000 Let's read the super chats, everybody.

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01:35:53.000 Harry To says, I put my finger in a cow's mouth.

01:35:56.000 It wasn't as cool as Ian said it was.

01:35:58.000 Harry To, I don't know if I believe you or not.

01:36:01.000 I think he's lying.

01:36:02.000 I think he liked it.

01:36:02.000 I think so too.

01:36:04.000 All right, let's see.

01:36:05.000 Nikolai says, nursing shortage applied to eight different hospitals in Philly and Jay area.

01:36:10.000 Three positions at each only heard back from Penn and Jefferson.

01:36:13.000 Interesting.

01:36:16.000 Blake Larum says, am I in the right place?

01:36:18.000 I thought this was shim cast IRL. 0.69

01:36:20.000 When is Seamus coming back?

01:36:21.000 Hopefully soon.

01:36:21.000 We're talking about that today.

01:36:22.000 I'll get him back soon. 0.83

01:36:26.000 Salty Racer says, Ian, just when I think you can't say anything dumber, you say something else and totally redeem yourself.

01:36:34.000 Oh, cyclical nature of me. 1.00

01:36:37.000 I only read it because it's a dumb and dumber joke. 0.99

01:36:40.000 That's awesome. 0.99

01:36:43.000 Ian B. says, Tim, loved your recent show with Elijah.

01:36:46.000 Consider inviting Chris Vallotton on your show.

01:36:49.000 He is a pastor at a large church in Redding, California called Bethel.

01:36:52.000 Check him out.

01:36:53.000 He talks about culture and politics.

01:36:54.000 Interesting.

01:36:55.000 Cool.

01:36:55.000 We will look into him.

01:36:56.000 I'm writing that down.

01:36:57.000 Stalin Cepedes says, can you please tell liberals to stop calling us Latinx?

01:37:02.000 Most of us hate that.

01:37:03.000 We still have common sense here.

01:37:05.000 Keep up the good job.

01:37:05.000 Love you guys.

01:37:06.000 They hate it.

01:37:07.000 Latinxs. 0.77

01:37:11.000 That's great.

01:37:12.000 I think about it every day.

01:37:14.000 Geez.

01:37:17.000 Nick Sweeney says, Tim, yesterday you said you didn't care for the story of Destiny.

01:37:20.000 I would like you and Ian, if he wants, to give the story of Destiny another chance, part one.

01:37:25.000 Oh, so there's gonna be another one in here.

01:37:26.000 Okay, so we'll see.

01:37:27.000 Oh, okay, here we go.

01:37:28.000 He says, the story has gotten really good over the last year, turning old enemies into allies, xenophobia, political intrigue, and more.

01:37:34.000 I would recommend the YouTuber, what's his name, MyNameIsBiff, for a condensed but in-depth overview of the story.

01:37:41.000 I don't like the story because it's hopeless.

01:37:41.000 No, I don't like it.

01:37:44.000 If you're not familiar with the video game, Destiny is like, the humans were thriving because this big object came and granted them technology and allowed them to flourish and colonize the solar system, but then the darkness comes and then human civilization collapses and the old colonies collapse.

01:37:59.000 So there's a really cool aspect of this space-faring humanity that ended up faltering.

01:38:04.000 The problem is, after several years, because when did the game come out?

01:38:08.000 It's been a while, yeah.

01:38:08.000 2014 or something?

01:38:09.000 I've been playing Destiny 1.

01:38:10.000 The problem is that humans have done nothing to succeed.

01:38:13.000 It's like, I turn the game on and they're like, our life is miserable and the city's worse off than it ever was. 0.98

01:38:17.000 And I'm like, so we suck?

01:38:18.000 That's what I got from Walking Dead, that show. 0.97

01:38:20.000 I couldn't stop watching it because of that.

01:38:23.000 I wanted to see a story where it's like, after the collapse and you're sad, you see the progress and success and the rebuilding. 0.92

01:38:30.000 Instead, the story is just like, well, seven years later, we suck.

01:38:32.000 We're worse off than we ever were. 0.76

01:38:33.000 It's worse than it was when it started.

01:38:34.000 You're not winning.

01:38:35.000 And I'm like, I don't want to play a game where you gradually lose.

01:38:38.000 The story is just bad.

01:38:39.000 Yeah, it was September 2014 that got developed.

01:38:41.000 There could have been so much stuff where like, By now, there could have been, like, the city's bigger, you know?

01:38:46.000 I mean, the city is bigger because they've opened more areas, but, like, story-wise, they're reclaiming territory.

01:38:50.000 By now, Earth should be controlled completely by humanity, and they should be setting up alternate cities, and it should- they'll be so amazing, I'd be like, this is so cool!

01:38:58.000 Nah, I find it to be awful.

01:38:59.000 See, people need a redemptive quality in their- whatever their wis- that's why people love Tony Soprano, or the guy from Breaking Bad, right?

01:39:05.000 They're evil characters, and there's no hope, but they- they- they give a sense of redemption that people strive for.

01:39:11.000 Yeah.

01:39:14.000 Woman says my work is offering a $200 drawing by turning in a copy of a Vax card. 0.97

01:39:20.000 But does that mean to take it away from you?

01:39:22.000 Or that like they'll pull it out and then say you won?

01:39:24.000 Copy of your Vax card.

01:39:25.000 So you photocopy it.

01:39:27.000 Oh, a copy.

01:39:27.000 Throw it in the hat.

01:39:28.000 I missed that one.

01:39:29.000 Should read more.

01:39:33.000 200 bucks?

01:39:33.000 I'd throw my card in there.

01:39:35.000 Yeah.

01:39:36.000 If I had one.

01:39:37.000 There's nothing on it, but I'd throw it in.

01:39:39.000 Alright.

01:39:43.000 The Citizen Journalist says, Tim, I want to thank you.

01:39:44.000 You really inspired me.

01:39:45.000 I've officially launched thecitizenjournalist.ca and have published my first article about a Canadian-wide nurse walkout in a rally against vaccine mandates and passports.

01:39:56.000 Roger Eiser says, On Mark Levin's radio show earlier, he had on Larry Elder.

01:40:00.000 Larry mentioned that Dianne Feinstein's health was not good.

01:40:04.000 Guess who gets to pick the Senate seat if she's not present? 1.00

01:40:06.000 Governor Elder.

01:40:08.000 Whoa, if he wins, yeah.

01:40:09.000 So I look well in the polls. Well right now they're swinging a little bit towards Newsom.

01:40:13.000 But the race is already on and I looked at I've been tracking the political data for returned

01:40:18.000 mail-in ballots and I gotta say it seems really bad for Democrats. The reason is right now 53%

01:40:25.000 of ballots returned are Democrat ballots. Then you've got 47 which are a mix of independent

01:40:30.000 and Republican.

01:40:31.000 Among independents, about two-thirds don't favor Democrats.

01:40:35.000 So if we were to just extrapolate off of the top-level data, Democrats do have a substantial lead.

01:40:41.000 But to say that Republicans are at 40%, perhaps, in terms of return mail-in ballots, Republicans vote on Election Day, not by mail.

01:40:48.000 Yeah.

01:40:49.000 So that's what we might end up seeing is come September 14th, a major burst of all of the remaining Republicans and not enough Democrats, but Democrats will come out too.

01:40:57.000 We'll see.

01:40:57.000 So we'll see.

01:40:58.000 I just want to know who the Californian is who look around and is like, this is good.

01:41:02.000 The meme with the fire, right?

01:41:05.000 There's more.

01:41:07.000 I have anecdotal data.

01:41:09.000 I'm saying that as sort of an oxymoron.

01:41:10.000 I have anecdotes of people saying that Democrats they know in California are like, I'm voting to recall.

01:41:15.000 I don't care.

01:41:16.000 Just yeah. 0.99

01:41:16.000 Because he's corrupt. 0.99

01:41:17.000 They don't care who it is. 0.52

01:41:19.000 Larry Elder will only be there for a year and he won't have that much power.

01:41:23.000 But they're like, anything's better than Newsom at this point.

01:41:25.000 And Gavin's kind of scary.

01:41:26.000 Like he does remind me of Patrick Bateman.

01:41:28.000 We talked about that last time.

01:41:30.000 He really is uncomfortable.

01:41:32.000 Let's say this.

01:41:33.000 Let's say that all Independents and Republicans are like, I'm not voting for this guy.

01:41:36.000 We want a recall.

01:41:38.000 And 53% of Democrats all say, we want Newsom to stay.

01:41:42.000 That's 53 to 47.

01:41:43.000 And that's mail-in votes so far?

01:41:46.000 Then I think it stands to reason, because Independents are underrepresented here, that come election day, Republicans will find that boost in percentage to flip this.

01:41:53.000 They need only to swing about 3.1%.

01:41:57.000 However, when you factor in the fact that many Democrats also don't like Newsom and may actually vote to recall, the actual in favor of Newsom vote might only be 52, 51, 50, 49, it could be 20 for all we know.

01:42:11.000 So I would just say based off the current levels, I think it's actually good news for Republicans, but it's not by no means a guarantee and may still, I actually think the probability is in Newsom's favor to be honest.

01:42:21.000 I don't wish any ill on Senator Feinstein.

01:42:24.000 I'm just wondering how old she is.

01:42:25.000 I know she's 88.

01:42:26.000 She's 88?

01:42:29.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:42:30.000 Born 1933.

01:42:31.000 Wow.

01:42:32.000 I mean, I remember when she ran last time, people said, really?

01:42:36.000 What year?

01:42:38.000 She wasn't up this last time.

01:42:39.000 I think it was 18.

01:42:40.000 I think she must have been up.

01:42:42.000 What year was she born?

01:42:43.000 1933.

01:42:43.000 Does that mean she was old enough to be doing the Lindy Hop?

01:42:48.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:42:50.000 I think she was too old.

01:42:51.000 My parents had the Lindy Hop and they were born much after that.

01:42:55.000 She was probably in her... I guess 35 year old's Lindy Hop. 0.99

01:42:58.000 But yeah, she was probably... The Lindy Hop. 1.00

01:43:01.000 What about the Charleston?

01:43:03.000 No, that came out in the Roaring Twenties, which we're having now.

01:43:06.000 So maybe her older sisters or something did the... But that means when she was a little kid... We'll do it later on the... We'll have to reinvent it. 0.91

01:43:15.000 When she was a little kid, her parents were, you know, it's like when your parents played Led Zeppelin for you or whatever, or I don't know, what did it play for you?

01:43:23.000 Yeah, like the music of the 50s and 60s.

01:43:28.000 Talking heads.

01:43:29.000 A lot of talking heads.

01:43:30.000 Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

01:43:32.000 Springsteen.

01:43:33.000 Generational difference.

01:43:34.000 Your parents were listening to Springsteen?

01:43:37.000 Are your parents like my age?

01:43:38.000 Well, one parent actually, my mom.

01:43:40.000 She just played Springsteen and Bryan Adams on repeat.

01:43:44.000 That's awesome, but I feel like I was listening to Springsteen and Bryan Adams songs.

01:43:48.000 Am I old enough to be your dad?

01:43:50.000 No.

01:43:52.000 I remember Cat Stevens, Zeppelin, Three Dog Night.

01:43:56.000 Three Dog Night was great.

01:43:57.000 They're great, yeah.

01:43:58.000 CCR.

01:44:00.000 Oh yeah.

01:44:01.000 Did you see ABBA's coming out with a new album today?

01:44:04.000 Everyone loves ABBA.

01:44:05.000 Everyone jokes that they hate it, but everyone loves ABBA.

01:44:07.000 There's great ABBA documentaries.

01:44:09.000 Watch some documentaries because they are cool.

01:44:11.000 They're really cool people.

01:44:12.000 Let's read this one.

01:44:13.000 We got Anthony Epley says, on PTSD and childhood trauma is true.

01:44:17.000 Look up Dr. John L. Riggs and his studies dealing with veterans.

01:44:20.000 Also, he did a little stint with Lee Oyster Cult.

01:44:25.000 And is it Lie Oyster Cult?

01:44:27.000 Is big about explaining to Veterans?

01:44:30.000 You need veterans?

01:44:31.000 That no matter your age, you can still go forward and do more in your life.

01:44:34.000 Good for him.

01:44:35.000 Very cool.

01:44:38.000 Crichton says, there is news that the governor of Washington state is considering a nationwide mandate that you must show you are vaccinated to enter any bar or restaurant.

01:44:46.000 Our state is trying to be more left than NY or CA.

01:44:49.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:44:49.000 Statewide.

01:44:50.000 Statewide.

01:44:51.000 Yeah.

01:44:52.000 Oh man.

01:44:54.000 John McHugh says Joe Rogan is already feeling better and has more viewers in the media bashing him.

01:44:59.000 And that's why they bash him.

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:02.000 I thought it was funny when I was like reading all these articles and I'm like, man, Joe Rogan's Instagram video has more views than all of those articles combined.

01:45:08.000 This whole thing has made me wonder if he's actually become uncancellable.

01:45:11.000 I think he has.

01:45:13.000 Is he?

01:45:13.000 Is he resistant to cancellation at this point?

01:45:15.000 But I actually think we're getting to a point where cancel culture is failing.

01:45:19.000 What concerns me is the banks.

01:45:21.000 If the banks make it so you can't have a bank account anymore.

01:45:25.000 Yeah, but crypto?

01:45:27.000 Crypto, like, I don't care.

01:45:30.000 Yeah, but there's a level of not even convenience, of just functionality.

01:45:37.000 The banks, but also the apps, right?

01:45:39.000 There are people who Uber won't let them have their download.

01:45:43.000 PayPal won't let them use their app because of their politics.

01:45:46.000 And so how do you survive in modern... I just said so casually, if the banks cancel you, that's like a violation of human rights in my opinion.

01:45:53.000 Absolutely.

01:45:55.000 Ah, we got it.

01:45:56.000 We have a correction.

01:45:57.000 Uh, Ian Shop says, for your information, Regeneron is the manufacturer of the monoclonal antibody.

01:46:03.000 Uh, it's not the name of the product.

01:46:05.000 Ah, okay.

01:46:05.000 Yes, stand corrected.

01:46:06.000 That was a mistake because everybody kept saying Regeneron.

01:46:08.000 There's a really funny video, a super, uh, super, uh, uh, composite compilation of Trump.

01:46:13.000 And it's like, yeah, Supercut.

01:46:14.000 And it's supposed to be like an 80s commercial where he's like, REGENERON!

01:46:18.000 And then it's like, you know, just like an 80s commercial you see on TV.

01:46:21.000 It's really funny.

01:46:22.000 Max Headroom.

01:46:23.000 I thought Regeneron was what Dee was selling in Always Sunny in Philadelphia when she got caught in the Ponzi scheme.

01:46:28.000 Did anyone watch?

01:46:29.000 Do you remember that episode?

01:46:31.000 I love Always Sunny.

01:46:31.000 Yeah, I need to watch that again.

01:46:32.000 Yeah, it's a great show.

01:46:34.000 I can only watch a few episodes.

01:46:34.000 Horrible.

01:46:36.000 Talk about no redeeming qualities.

01:46:39.000 It's coming back too.

01:46:40.000 Is it?

01:46:41.000 Thank goodness.

01:46:42.000 We need it.

01:46:43.000 We do, yeah.

01:46:46.000 says, the Donald split in 2020 when we were banned from Reddit.

01:46:46.000 D.W.

01:46:50.000 Patriots.win is under investigation and based out of the UK.

01:46:53.000 Find the real mod team and community at saveamericachat.com.

01:46:56.000 Also JoeKent2022.

01:46:57.000 Wait, you're saying that Patriots.win is run out of the UK?

01:47:01.000 What?

01:47:03.000 Pirate radio.

01:47:04.000 So the Donald became... Yeah, the Donald on Reddit.

01:47:09.000 But it became, they went to their own website, .win.

01:47:11.000 Oh, OK.

01:47:12.000 So now they're saying it's run out of the UK, so it's not run by Americans.

01:47:14.000 Is that what's happening?

01:47:14.000 Interesting.

01:47:16.000 Morgan Dawson says, gonna get a shout out to a mom and pop skate shop, Burning Spider Stoke Company in KC.

01:47:22.000 They're pressing their own boards now, by American Made.

01:47:25.000 That is absolutely correct, by American Made.

01:47:27.000 Very cool.

01:47:27.000 That's right.

01:47:28.000 Pressing boards, that sounds cool.

01:47:29.000 Yeah.

01:47:30.000 Yeah.

01:47:31.000 Yeah, I always try, when we were doing custom boards, to buy American-made ones.

01:47:34.000 Because you know what they do?

01:47:35.000 They take the wood from Canada, ship it to China, make a board, ship it to the U.S. 1.00

01:47:39.000 Stupidest thing I ever heard. 1.00

01:47:41.000 I just pay somebody to make it here. 1.00

01:47:43.000 I don't mind paying more for American.

01:47:44.000 That's what we gotta do.

01:47:45.000 Because you're investing in yourself and your country, and it's worth it.

01:47:49.000 People gotta do it.

01:47:51.000 Alright, let's see.

01:47:54.000 Molon Labe says, Tim, Community also has a different indication of use, age 16 and older per fact sheet in FDA, while Pfizer EUA vaxxes age 12 and older.

01:48:03.000 The confusion may be to protect Pfizer from legal liability, but who knows?

01:48:07.000 Seems weird.

01:48:09.000 Or it might just be that Community is a marketing product with a legal distinction, so it's approved, and they're keeping the EUA because it's for 12 and older, and Community isn't.

01:48:20.000 It seems really weird.

01:48:22.000 Like, honestly, it might just be a remnant, like a remnant of vestigial bureaucracy that they did it this way.

01:48:27.000 Because when they say the vaccine can be used interchangeably, I'm like, okay, so what's the big deal?

01:48:32.000 Would the other ones lose EUA, I guess?

01:48:35.000 I think someone's going to make a lot of money off the name community.

01:48:35.000 I don't know.

01:48:38.000 Could be wrong about that.

01:48:39.000 I wish I would've bought the URL.

01:48:41.000 I'm just, I'm just ready for Spike Vax from Moderna.

01:48:45.000 That's a way better name.

01:48:47.000 I don't even know how to pronounce it.

01:48:51.000 Imagine the commercial where it's like some, just like some Chad bro.

01:48:54.000 And he's like Spike Vax.

01:48:55.000 And he's like punches a brick wall.

01:48:58.000 Explosions.

01:48:59.000 Car flips over for no reason.

01:49:04.000 Spike Vax.

01:49:06.000 Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.

01:49:10.000 X says, frankly, the six weeks is too short.

01:49:12.000 Ovulation is like two weeks after last period, but they count from last period.

01:49:16.000 A lot of women will have less than two weeks to make their choice. 1.00

01:49:19.000 Eight to 12 weeks is better.

01:49:20.000 But the issue isn't the laws in about six weeks.

01:49:22.000 It's about heartbeat.

01:49:23.000 As soon as the heartbeat is detected, they can't do anything.

01:49:26.000 So eight to 12 weeks wouldn't work because it'd always be a heartbeat.

01:49:30.000 That's the what mother hears the heartbeat and goes, Oh, no kid.

01:49:35.000 Like I just, I can't wrap my head around that.

01:49:37.000 Yeah.

01:49:38.000 I know that there are some people in very desperate situations and are, you know, they might end up losing their own life.

01:49:38.000 I know.

01:49:43.000 I understand that.

01:49:44.000 But just like you were saying, Tim, just for the sake of a, of destroying, I don't understand that.

01:49:49.000 It goes back to how I was saying earlier, man, I think that people are two different things. 0.90

01:49:52.000 We've got the compassionate thinking beings and then we've got this wild, almost stupid animal that we're like, we're these intelligent things inside of these wild things. 0.64

01:50:02.000 Like the brain brainstem creature is like the thinking, compassionate part of us. 0.99

01:50:06.000 And then this body is dangerous and violent, stinky, and it gets.

01:50:11.000 Feelings. 0.95

01:50:12.000 Wet.

01:50:12.000 Yeah.

01:50:13.000 Wet.

01:50:13.000 Sloppy.

01:50:14.000 Moist.

01:50:16.000 Moist creature. 0.99

01:50:17.000 A meat boy. 0.91

01:50:18.000 Adrian Curry.

01:50:20.000 As a woman, if you haven't figured out you're pregnant by the sixth week and aborted, you deserve to have a baby. 0.66

01:50:20.000 Oh! 0.66

01:50:25.000 Wow.

01:50:26.000 Interesting take.

01:50:27.000 I kind of share that, yeah.

01:50:28.000 I'm inclined to agree.

01:50:29.000 Maybe three months.

01:50:30.000 Six weeks, three months, I would say.

01:50:32.000 Adam Fritz says, Tim, my two-year-old loves watching Mr. Tim every night and named his stuffed dog after you.

01:50:37.000 Thanks for all you do, bringing reason to effing madness.

01:50:41.000 Please shout out the Salty Army.

01:50:42.000 We're here for you, man.

01:50:43.000 Thanks.

01:50:44.000 Right on.

01:50:45.000 Thank you, Salty Army.

01:50:46.000 I want to see a picture of that stuffed dog.

01:50:48.000 Yeah, people keep posting salt shakers in the chat.

01:50:50.000 Get salty.

01:50:55.000 AnonNobody says, Ian Crossland, if life begins at conception, would you feel different, i.e.

01:51:00.000 a constitutional right?

01:51:02.000 To hit on Lydia's point, there are studies that prove there was less abortions prior to Roe v. Wade. 0.94

01:51:07.000 There is a lot of lies around abortion.

01:51:09.000 No, it wouldn't make me feel different because I think murder and killing are different, and destroying something that's alive is different than murdering a human.

01:51:16.000 So, at some point I start to consider the zygote a human, but it's just at what point?

01:51:22.000 I don't necessarily think it's, I think it's brain activity.

01:51:24.000 That's my personal belief.

01:51:28.000 All right, let's see what we got here.

01:51:31.000 Ora Quirena says, Tim, the argument you made about women and abortion does not take in the responsibility of the woman and her choices.

01:51:38.000 Texas law make it safe and rare.

01:51:40.000 No, I agree with that.

01:51:42.000 Like, I really thought I had a great conversation with Glenn Beck because I just like, he would make all these good points.

01:51:47.000 I'm like, wow, those are really great points.

01:51:49.000 I don't know how I reconcile government.

01:51:52.000 Still don't know.

01:51:52.000 Yeah, I just don't.

01:51:53.000 It's a great conversation.

01:51:55.000 I don't know.

01:51:56.000 It's like, wow.

01:51:57.000 And I'm like, wow, that's really important.

01:51:59.000 Yes, the woman made a choice. 0.81

01:52:01.000 She wasn't using contraception.

01:52:03.000 She got pregnant.

01:52:05.000 There are two people involved.

01:52:06.000 They're now responsible.

01:52:07.000 Someone mentioned that when you... There's a super chat.

01:52:10.000 Maybe we'll get to it.

01:52:11.000 When you put someone in a position where they're dependent upon you, you're responsible for them.

01:52:16.000 Like if you caused it.

01:52:17.000 Like, if you got into a car accident, and you caused it, you'd have to pay the person, and sometimes you gotta pay for the rest of your life.

01:52:23.000 And I'm like, that's actually a good point.

01:52:26.000 But then, man, I don't know.

01:52:28.000 Someone online, following the argument, someone on Twitter said, you know, if women can't have an abortion, then we need a law. 0.98

01:52:35.000 I think it meant to be snarky, but then we need a law that says the men that got the woman pregnant should be responsible, and I was like, Yes!

01:52:42.000 I love that law!

01:52:43.000 It does take two to tango.

01:52:44.000 They thought they were being snarky.

01:52:47.000 be on the I mean it's it's not it does take two to tango so absolutely yes they thought they were

01:52:54.000 being snarky exactly did something the old shotgun wedding legalized

01:53:00.000 That's right.

01:53:01.000 I just got a new shotgun also.

01:53:02.000 I can officiate.

01:53:04.000 Turtleburger says, why does the choice in pro-choice never apply to the choice to get pregnant?

01:53:08.000 The government doesn't mandate pregnancy.

01:53:10.000 Why not pro-responsibility instead of stopping a heartbeat to remedy a regret?

01:53:14.000 I agree with that.

01:53:15.000 So the issue I brought up earlier to address the previous point about women's choices is that let's say there's a genuine circumstance where the woman has a real exemption and then she has to submit why she's going through this to the government and the government says, no, we deny that.

01:53:30.000 You know what I mean? 0.86

01:53:31.000 I'm just like, if I had to go to the doctor and the doctor gave me a recommendation, I don't want to have to then follow up with like a state appointed representative to go file the paperwork and then be like, here's why the doctor wants to do this procedure on my balls. 0.91

01:53:45.000 You know what I mean? 0.91

01:53:46.000 It's like that.

01:53:47.000 And then they could be like, I don't agree that you should do this.

01:53:49.000 So I'm going to deny it.

01:53:50.000 And I'd be like, dude.

01:53:51.000 In fact, based on this, you should be getting this thing.

01:53:54.000 We're going to suggest that you have this operation instead.

01:53:56.000 And you're like, well, I don't like it.

01:53:59.000 And I don't like government.

01:54:00.000 I think abortion as contraception is just like morally repugnant and wrong.

01:54:05.000 Totally agree on that.

01:54:06.000 But then it's just like, man, I have no, I have no remedy because I know people abuse the system.

01:54:12.000 You give, you give them options.

01:54:13.000 You're like, we're going to, we're going to try and be, and be right with these exemptions.

01:54:16.000 And they lie.

01:54:17.000 And it's just like, The conclusion that I reached is that this is a heavily cultural issue, and you cannot change it from the top down.

01:54:26.000 And I feel like everyone who's arguing about it is saying that we need to use the government to enforce this.

01:54:30.000 No, we need to change the way people think about having children and raising families, and I don't know how to do that.

01:54:37.000 Like this?

01:54:37.000 TV shows like this?

01:54:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:39.000 Having conversations, definitely.

01:54:41.000 It's Me says, so if you get drunk and drive, killing someone, it's just an accident because you're not responsible for actions beforehand.

01:54:47.000 If you have sex, you know the possibility of pregnancy, not responsible for actions. 0.98

01:54:51.000 It's a good point.

01:54:52.000 And so I guess maybe there's an analogy there where it's like the government goes to you and says, you're not allowed to drive because we've seen on social media, you drink a lot and we're worried you might be a drunk driver.

01:55:00.000 So today you're not going to be driving.

01:55:02.000 Red flag law.

01:55:03.000 We're taking your license.

01:55:04.000 Yeah, like red flag laws. 0.61

01:55:06.000 We've determined that you may actually be crazy even though we haven't, you know, we just got a warrant.

01:55:10.000 So we're taking your guns away because the government has a right to intervene when it comes to health issues and you're a danger to other people. 0.96

01:55:15.000 And they're like, oh, when you've got three women pregnant against their will on accident, we're going to order a vasectomy for you. 0.99

01:55:21.000 Like, come on, get the government off our back right now.

01:55:23.000 Yeah, slippery slope arguments are often like people roll their eyes at them.

01:55:26.000 But come on, we've seen the slippery slope abused way too much by government.

01:55:30.000 But I do respect the Mises Caucus guys' pro-life.

01:55:34.000 Their argument makes sense.

01:55:37.000 I just, I don't know, man.

01:55:38.000 Pro-life?

01:55:39.000 Like, get the government to make it illegal type stuff?

01:55:42.000 That's libertarian?

01:55:43.000 That's what the Mises guys are saying?

01:55:44.000 The libertarian party is pro-choice.

01:55:46.000 But the Mises caucus is pro-life. 0.84

01:55:47.000 What the heck?

01:55:47.000 Because they believe that if the government has any job, it's to protect life.

01:55:51.000 To make sure that... They gotta define life, that's for sure.

01:55:54.000 But they have a definition of life.

01:55:55.000 They do, yeah.

01:55:56.000 Heartbeat?

01:55:57.000 Animal?

01:55:57.000 Deer?

01:55:57.000 No, I think conception.

01:55:59.000 Conception is their definition?

01:56:00.000 I don't know their definition.

01:56:01.000 Oh, okay.

01:56:01.000 Gotcha.

01:56:02.000 But I think anybody who argues life does not begin at conception is just lying to you.

01:56:07.000 Where else would it start?

01:56:09.000 I don't really understand, I guess.

01:56:11.000 It's a political argument.

01:56:14.000 Human life.

01:56:14.000 They're talking about protecting human life.

01:56:16.000 Not deer, not bees, and not zygotes.

01:56:20.000 Because a zygote could be any animal.

01:56:22.000 You don't know what kind of animal it is until later in its gestation.

01:56:24.000 Sure, but there's not like a lizard in a woman's womb, you know what I mean?

01:56:29.000 Scientifically, they're identical.

01:56:30.000 Zygotes are identical.

01:56:31.000 You don't know until later.

01:56:33.000 Inside a woman's womb is not going to be a lizard's egg.

01:56:35.000 Obviously, but not a hundred percent.

01:56:38.000 I did watch V when I was a kid.

01:56:39.000 I did watch V when I was a kid and so...

01:56:43.000 A lot of weird stuff.

01:56:45.000 Evan Perry says, My birth mother aborted the eldest and it caused her to 0.92

01:56:49.000 rethink her choice, which is why myself and my older brother are here today.

01:56:52.000 My adopted mother can't give birth and not aborting us worked well.

01:56:57.000 There's always very serious issues, especially when it comes to like Down syndrome.

01:57:01.000 One of the biggest reasons they say they should be abortion is for Down syndrome.

01:57:04.000 And it's like, that's eugenics. 0.86

01:57:06.000 Totally.

01:57:06.000 I'm not, I'm not saying that to be like, ah, no, it's literally, you're like, we've, we've looked at, we've done the test and the genetic code reveals it's going to be this way.

01:57:14.000 And you're like, remove it.

01:57:15.000 I uh, I looked at that.

01:57:17.000 Sorry, go ahead.

01:57:18.000 There are people with Down syndrome who are functioning members, like people with Down

01:57:21.000 syndrome are functioning members of society.

01:57:23.000 There was this guy who was speaking at a hearing, was it a congressional hearing?

01:57:26.000 UN, it was at the UN.

01:57:27.000 UN. 0.77

01:57:28.000 With Down syndrome and he was like, you wanted to kill me?

01:57:29.000 Like I'm here right now, I'm successful.

01:57:30.000 And there are multiple cases of misdiagnosed Down syndrome and then the baby is born and

01:57:37.000 they're like, oh my gosh, you don't have Down syndrome.

01:57:39.000 Daniel, it's not multiple cases.

01:57:41.000 It's 5%!

01:57:42.000 If you're against the death penalty because 4% of the time they think it's wrong, but you're okay with them aborting babies who are misdiagnosed with Down syndrome 5% of the time, I think you need to rethink that stance.

01:57:54.000 What do they end up having if not Down syndrome?

01:57:55.000 They have nothing.

01:57:56.000 They don't have anything.

01:57:57.000 They're born.

01:57:58.000 They're just misdiagnosed.

01:57:59.000 They get it wrong sometimes.

01:58:00.000 I do not understand the argument about incest and rape.

01:58:03.000 It's no such a tiny I almost put on Twitter today and I decided not to just because I was being too much of an 0.97

01:58:08.000 Idiot to begin with but I almost put on our which I can do Of saying I understand get rid of the Down syndrome baby 0.96

01:58:14.000 because they're gonna have a tough life But you know what? It was really tough being a gay kid 1.00

01:58:19.000 So if you diagnose your baby with like a gay gene because we're born this way 0.98

01:58:23.000 I would be okay with the boarding the the gay baby the gay fetuses just because I don't really come across 1.00

01:58:30.000 People don't know I'm gay. I don't talk about it, but I was waiting to see the replies of people being like 0.94

01:58:34.000 But why why What's to stop it, right?

01:58:39.000 Because Down syndrome is a very difficult life for those kids to a point.

01:58:43.000 So is a lot of things.

01:58:44.000 So is ugly.

01:58:45.000 And boy, they're hard to look at. 1.00

01:58:46.000 So abort the ugly babies. 1.00

01:58:48.000 But the left doesn't believe being gay is a choice. 1.00

01:58:52.000 It's not a choice. 0.72

01:58:52.000 You're born this way. 0.72

01:58:53.000 I'm sorry, I was wrong. 0.97

01:58:55.000 The left believes being gay is a choice.

01:58:57.000 Sorry. 0.84

01:58:57.000 They actually do. 0.84

01:58:58.000 Yeah, they think it's a social construct. 0.99

01:59:00.000 The difference of gay is, are you having sex with a guy? 1.00

01:59:03.000 Or do you want to? 1.00

01:59:04.000 What makes you gay? 1.00

01:59:05.000 Having sex with a guy? 1.00

01:59:06.000 Or a guy wanting to have sex with a guy? 1.00

01:59:08.000 No, no, that's a serious question. 0.84

01:59:09.000 What's the difference?

01:59:10.000 This is a family-friendly show, so how about we talk about super chats and maybe we'll talk about that.

01:59:13.000 Okay, cool.

01:59:13.000 Wrap that up.

01:59:14.000 Because you're getting way too... It's more the philosophy of what it means to be gay. 1.00

01:59:14.000 Perfect. 1.00

01:59:19.000 But we should abort them.

01:59:22.000 Alright, let's see.

01:59:23.000 A lot of people are saying, like, I disagree with Ian.

01:59:26.000 They're very, very polite, each and every one.

01:59:28.000 They're like, Ian, I disagree with you and humbly respect your right to have your opinion.

01:59:32.000 I 100% believe you, too.

01:59:34.000 Everybody's very nice.

01:59:37.000 Most of them are just like, Ian, let me try to explain to you.

01:59:37.000 No, it is true.

01:59:39.000 Ian, you need to understand.

01:59:40.000 But they disagree with you.

01:59:41.000 And smart.

01:59:42.000 I like them.

01:59:43.000 Like I said, this was a very civil conversation about abortion.

01:59:46.000 I'm not surprised your audience is nice.

01:59:48.000 We have a great audience.

01:59:49.000 We'll save the screaming for the next show. 0.89

01:59:54.000 O3KS says, the only reason I need to care about a stranger murdering a child is that someone has to stand up for that child and defend someone that cannot defend themselves.

02:00:02.000 Good people defend the defenseless, whether you know them or not.

02:00:04.000 Yep.

02:00:07.000 Right.

02:00:07.000 All right.

02:00:08.000 Atarka says, adoption is another problem that needs to be fixed before I believe abortion

02:00:13.000 gets rid of because that system is broken as well.

02:00:16.000 Until then, it should stay but not be abused.

02:00:19.000 You know what really annoys me about the pro-abortion crowd is that they just lie about what pro-lifers

02:00:23.000 believe.

02:00:24.000 Like, I can talk to a conservative and they'll be like, here's my opinions on pro-life and

02:00:28.000 I'll be like, oh, I understand that. 0.99

02:00:29.000 And then I talk to a liberal and they're like, well, it's because they're racist and they hate brown people. 0.96

02:00:32.000 And I'm like, that's not what they said. 0.99

02:00:35.000 Well, they're lying to you.

02:00:36.000 I'm like, but their argument has been replicated over and over by so many different people and many different publications.

02:00:42.000 Is it's just this big conspiracy of right-wing media to claim one thing but do another?

02:00:45.000 They all secretly know that behind the scenes they have these deep, dark, racist beliefs, but they never espouse them?

02:00:51.000 Yes.

02:00:51.000 I'm like, what?

02:00:53.000 Yo, you're lying to me.

02:00:55.000 Like, I can disagree with someone and be like, I see here, I disagree, but thanks for the conversation.

02:00:59.000 Not with whatever that is.

02:01:01.000 There was a great retweet by, um, uh, who retweeted this?

02:01:06.000 Someone retweeted something.

02:01:06.000 I'm forgetting your name.

02:01:07.000 Sorry.

02:01:08.000 I'm forgetting who retweeted it because I just saw the retweet.

02:01:10.000 Phil, Phil Labonte, that's who retweeted it.

02:01:11.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:12.000 Yeah.

02:01:13.000 It was, um, Michelle Wolfe was her name, I think.

02:01:16.000 I saw that on Twitter.

02:01:16.000 She was like, oh yeah, abortion and you get an abortion and someone he retweeted someone who said I used to be pro-choice

02:01:21.000 But I changed my mind after seeing this I saw that on Twitter. I think I think you retweeted

02:01:25.000 Yeah, cuz I was just like shout your abortion like or like that like the salute to the yeah 0.99

02:01:33.000 Nothing about being pro-choice encourages someone to get an abortion.

02:01:37.000 Yeah, that's not right.

02:01:38.000 You mentioned the adoption industry.

02:01:39.000 I think the average right now is for every one child up for adoption there are 26 couples looking for that.

02:01:46.000 Yes, there are serious problems in the abortion system and I do agree we need to fix that.

02:01:50.000 Yeah, but I mean and obviously I mean that those 26 couples rotate but One child for 26 people who want a child is a huge need for children.

02:02:02.000 Zach Tokar says support Project Veritas after their HQ got destroyed by the storm.

02:02:06.000 I didn't hear that.

02:02:07.000 That's terrible.

02:02:09.000 We will be supporting them and helping them out.

02:02:11.000 Absolutely.

02:02:11.000 I'll look into that and we'll check it out of the show.

02:02:16.000 Sunny James says Ian might look into pre-birth memories or experiences.

02:02:19.000 They almost overwhelmingly have the feeling of not wanting to be born, and recollect angst at the pain of being born into the world.

02:02:26.000 That being said, I'm pro-life.

02:02:28.000 NDEs get all the credit.

02:02:34.000 I was in the womb and I was like, my mom was going through labor for like 26 hours with me and I wouldn't come out.

02:02:34.000 Actually, go ahead.

02:02:40.000 And they were like, okay, we're going to do a C-section.

02:02:41.000 And then I immediately turned around and came out.

02:02:43.000 It was like, I knew, I just did not want to leave.

02:02:45.000 And I feel like I remember that.

02:02:48.000 It's my understanding that children aren't actually supposed to be born at nine months.

02:02:52.000 In a perfect world, they would be born at 12 months.

02:02:54.000 Really?

02:02:54.000 Yes.

02:02:55.000 Because they're technically not ready.

02:02:56.000 That's why those first three months are so strange, and they're so fragile, and you know, they sleep a lot, and all that stuff.

02:03:01.000 Because the woman's body literally cannot give birth at 12 months. 0.77

02:03:04.000 It's impossible.

02:03:05.000 But in a perfect world, they would stay in the womb for 12 months. 0.99

02:03:07.000 That's why those first three months are so crazy.

02:03:09.000 That makes a lot of sense.

02:03:11.000 You look at a normal animal get born, like the little chicks. 0.90

02:03:14.000 And you know, when my chicks hatched, I was like, well, we have to put it near the mom because it has to nurse. 0.87

02:03:18.000 And as I'm saying it, I'm like, oh my god, it's a chick.

02:03:21.000 It doesn't nurse.

02:03:22.000 But like, the little chick is born, and a second later, it's pecking water, and it's pecking, and it starts eating.

02:03:27.000 But like, I watched my sheep get born, and within four minutes, they're like up, and they're walking, and then a baby is born, as you experienced, and it's like, they're useless for so long.

02:03:38.000 Yeah, big heads.

02:03:39.000 Thinking about those Denisovans, one of our ancient hominid ancestors, like the Neanderthals, but they were huge.

02:03:44.000 They were really big, and they probably gave birth at 12 months.

02:03:47.000 I don't know, but maybe that's part of our... All right, we'll do a couple more here.

02:03:52.000 Yvette Wolfback says, Ian, the right to life is the very first right ever enumerated by the Founding Fathers.

02:03:52.000 Maybe they did.

02:03:58.000 It was quantified in the Declaration of Independence.

02:04:02.000 No Way says, take some time and look into the replication crisis.

02:04:02.000 Alright.

02:04:05.000 It's an ongoing issue that many fundamental studies in many domains of science cannot be replicated, meaning they may be totally inaccurate.

02:04:12.000 I have heard about that.

02:04:13.000 It's really interesting.

02:04:15.000 Alright, let's see.

02:04:18.000 Maybe we'll just get one more.

02:04:23.000 Brian Percival Wolfrick Aberforth Snape says, I beg you to read this.

02:04:28.000 I am a former Marine.

02:04:29.000 I don't have PTSD because of the things I have seen.

02:04:31.000 I have it because of the things I have done.

02:04:33.000 Oh, wow.

02:04:35.000 Jordan Peterson talks about that.

02:04:36.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:04:37.000 Yikes.

02:04:37.000 Well, man, thanks for the super chat.

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02:05:49.000 And as always, thanks for having me.

02:05:51.000 Always a good conversation.

02:05:52.000 Yeah, love to have you.

02:05:53.000 Chriscar17 on Twitter.

02:05:54.000 I'm the 17th Chriscar, 17th clone. 0.96

02:05:57.000 Always a joy to be here.

02:05:58.000 Right on.

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02:06:05.000 Right on.

02:06:07.000 I wanted to, you know, Ian Crosland's my name.

02:06:09.000 Playing is my game.

02:06:10.000 I wanted to shout out Adam Kokesh.

02:06:12.000 That was so cheesy, dude.

02:06:13.000 I talked about Adam Kokesh a few days ago on the show, and if you don't know who Adam Kokesh is, he's like a, I guess you'd call him an activist.

02:06:20.000 He served in the military, came back 2008 from Iraq.

02:06:22.000 He was very vocal about it.

02:06:23.000 And he tweeted at me, it was like, hey, you got some things wrong.

02:06:25.000 I just wanted to clarify, Adam, if you're listening.

02:06:27.000 I said that, what he did is he went to D.C.

02:06:29.000 with a shotgun and protested.

02:06:30.000 They used that as probable cause to searches.

02:06:32.000 I said apartment.

02:06:33.000 It was a house, I believe, not an apartment.

02:06:35.000 And then I said that they found suicide mushrooms, it was true, and that he went to prison.

02:06:39.000 He actually went to jail, not prison, for four months.

02:06:41.000 Virginia Jail and another jail.

02:06:42.000 And then I said it looked like when he got out he was browbeaten and like a different person.

02:06:47.000 But what happened is he got shadowbanned.

02:06:49.000 He has a channel called Adam vs. The Man that has 260,000 subscribers and the videos get 600 views.

02:06:55.000 So they put him on some sort of, and I just thought he was, gave up, but he's just, and his show is actually really good.

02:07:00.000 I mean, it's still Adam, but also Adam, he seems like he's chilled out over the years.

02:07:04.000 Like he was very fire and angry when I first saw him.

02:07:07.000 Now he's not, he's more of like a wisened kind of speaker.

02:07:10.000 And I took that as that the government did it to him.

02:07:13.000 I think he's just evolved.

02:07:14.000 Adam, I love you.

02:07:15.000 Adam versus the man.

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02:07:17.000 Awesome.

02:07:18.000 And I wanted to announce, you guys, today is our 365th episode, which means that if you go back to the first one, you can listen to a year's worth of news every single day.

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02:07:35.000 I know, right? 0.99

02:07:36.000 They're going to be like, damn, this Tim Poole guy hates Democrats. 1.00

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