Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - WV Investigates WHITE DUST Sparks Fear Of Ohio Chemical SPREAD w- Chris Miller

00:00:00.000 This is viral video showing white dust, some kind of strange substance falling onto cars,

00:00:22.000 and news reports that in eastern West Virginia, I love saying that, and Maryland, people are

00:00:28.000 reporting a strange substance blanketing their vehicles and their homes and outside.

00:00:33.000 Now, of course, everybody's very concerned.

00:00:35.000 We're downwind from the East Palestine derailment.

00:00:39.000 It may be a little late for this to actually be hitting us now.

00:00:42.000 So it could be a dust storm.

00:00:44.000 But West Virginia announced they don't know the source of the substance.

00:00:47.000 They're going to be testing it.

00:00:48.000 Hopefully it's just dust being blown from, you know, the Midwest or from Texas.

00:00:53.000 But needless to say, there is an investigation.

00:00:55.000 People are concerned.

00:00:56.000 And this is exactly what we had been talking about a week or two ago.

00:01:00.000 And now, sure enough, what a coincidence, something is happening.

00:01:03.000 I gotta say, the idea that it's a dust storm would be the perfect coincidence considering we were just talking about, one, vehicles that were being covered in a white substance or residue near East Palestine. 0.80

00:01:13.000 Now we're seeing that white substance residue or a similar one in this area downwind from the disaster.

00:01:19.000 And then they're like, oh, but there's also a dust storm.

00:01:20.000 And I'm like, well, that's the perfect time for a dust storm to happen when we're concerned about exactly this.

00:01:25.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:01:26.000 Plus, we got a crazy story.

00:01:27.000 Project Veritas has seen another, I think, top-level resignation from one of their staff members, and they've put out a video begging people.

00:01:35.000 Please, we need your support, and they want James O'Keefe back.

00:01:38.000 And then we'll talk about some culture stuff, because we've got a funny story.

00:01:40.000 Was it Angela Davis?

00:01:41.000 That's her name, right?

00:01:43.000 The Black Panther?

00:01:45.000 Yeah, she found out she's a descendant of the Mayflower.

00:01:47.000 So this is, you know, this is a black critical race theory kind of activist who's discovering she, in fact, is descended from colonizers. 0.57

00:01:53.000 But the story there is actually a bit nuanced, and a lot of people are laughing, but we'll get into all that.

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00:02:53.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is former acting Secretary of Defense Chris C. Miller.

00:03:00.000 It was already getting kind of crazy talking about all the stuff that's going on in the administration.

00:03:07.000 But yeah, people don't know this.

00:03:08.000 He actually showed up at our door, knocked, and said, can I come on?

00:03:10.000 We said, not until you write a book.

00:03:11.000 And so we kicked him out.

00:03:12.000 And then he came back with a book.

00:03:13.000 We said, OK, now you can come on.

00:03:14.000 So thanks for hanging out.

00:03:16.000 It should be fun.

00:03:17.000 We also got Allad Eliyahu hanging out.

00:03:18.000 Hey, everybody.

00:03:19.000 What's up?

00:03:20.000 I am Allad Eliyahu.

00:03:21.000 I'm a fields reporter here at Tim Cass News.

00:03:23.000 Thanks for having me.

00:03:24.000 And Phil Labonte!

00:03:25.000 Hello everyone, I am Phil Labonte, the lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

00:03:35.000 That's a business card, man.

00:03:37.000 That's how I want to be thought of.

00:03:38.000 You don't need a business card because you are a rock star.

00:03:41.000 That's right, that's right.

00:03:43.000 Chris, we talked about your book a little bit before.

00:03:45.000 It's Soldier Secretary is the name of it.

00:03:47.000 And talk about repurposing the war machine. 0.99

00:03:49.000 I've been thinking a lot about it.

00:03:50.000 You mentioned that's kind of what's in the book, maybe not the entire premise of the book.

00:03:54.000 Really quick, can you elevate or pitch the premise of the book?

00:03:58.000 Yeah.

00:03:59.000 Thanks, Ian.

00:04:00.000 Thanks for the setup.

00:04:01.000 That was awesome.

00:04:02.000 Tim, you got the best crew in town.

00:04:04.000 Oh, that's what Ian does.

00:04:05.000 I think Joe Rogan should be threatened.

00:04:07.000 I know you said that there's no competition at all.

00:04:10.000 Yeah, because he's got like 500 times the audience we do.

00:04:12.000 No.

00:04:13.000 Hey, not tonight.

00:04:14.000 When this gets out.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, so the book is really about a couple things.

00:04:19.000 You know, only 7% of our nation serves right now and they're veterans, so 93% of our population doesn't serve, which is a good problem to have. 0.93

00:04:28.000 Like, we're not an armed society, right?

00:04:30.000 I love this.

00:04:32.000 What I found though, when I was in government, I was an Army Green Beret for years, then I was in government, in the Pentagon, I found there seems to be a misunderstanding between those that serve and those they serve on both sides.

00:04:45.000 So I try to like, in an engaging kind of fashion, not one of these You know those boring DC memoirs that are like this big, like door stops and you just name check yourself and you're like, I'm not reading this.

00:04:58.000 I wanted to keep this entertaining and engaging.

00:05:02.000 So that's kind of the theme of the book, but it's about accountability because I'm still just angry that we can lose a war and nobody's held accountable.

00:05:10.000 People get promoted and they move up in the in the ranks or they get these big jobs. So I'm kind of

00:05:14.000 still a little bit angry about that.

00:05:17.000 And then finally, yeah, I think, you know, we're spending way too much money on defense. And I

00:05:21.000 think a lot of that, some of that can be spent much better.

00:05:25.000 Not some of it, a lot of it can be but spent much better. Well, let's get into it in the show.

00:05:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:32.000 Sorry, man.

00:05:32.000 I didn't mean to.

00:05:33.000 I talked too.

00:05:34.000 Sorry.

00:05:34.000 No, not too long.

00:05:35.000 You did what I asked.

00:05:36.000 Thank you.

00:05:37.000 And also, I want to introduce Kellen.

00:05:39.000 Yeah.

00:05:39.000 What's up, everybody?

00:05:40.000 It's Kellen.

00:05:42.000 Surge is doing the Culture War with Tim Pool.

00:05:45.000 He's producing that show on Friday mornings.

00:05:47.000 So he's not here on Friday nights.

00:05:49.000 I'll be filling in for now.

00:05:51.000 And then but yeah, go and check out the Culture War.

00:05:53.000 I wanted to make him work 24 hours straight with no sleep, but they told me that was illegal.

00:05:57.000 So I guess Kellen's here.

00:05:59.000 All right, let's uh, let's jump into the first story and we have this tweet from Roz Alerts.

00:06:04.000 Roz Alerts?

00:06:05.000 What does that mean?

00:06:06.000 I don't know.

00:06:07.000 Either way, breaking multiple reports of an unknown white dust particles falling out of the sky in West Virginia and Maryland.

00:06:14.000 Currently multiple people across West Virginia into Maryland area are reporting an unknown white dust film descending from the sky.

00:06:21.000 Some local fire departments are advising people to shut their doors and windows and avoid outdoors until it can be identified.

00:06:28.000 Well, let's play the video.

00:06:30.000 There you go, look at this.

00:06:33.000 It could just be a dust storm.

00:06:35.000 That's what some people are saying.

00:06:37.000 But uh... Yeah, look at that.

00:06:40.000 I don't know about that.

00:06:42.000 Maybe.

00:06:42.000 It is weird.

00:06:44.000 So, look at that.

00:06:45.000 That's creepy.

00:06:46.000 Isn't Cocaine Bear coming out this weekend?

00:06:49.000 Is this some weird... That's what people are saying.

00:06:52.000 Are they cocaine?

00:06:53.000 I thought that was original.

00:06:54.000 They blanket the eastern seaboard in white dust to promote their movie?

00:06:58.000 Probably not a good idea.

00:07:00.000 Now, Raw's Alert says, we think this is from yesterday's dust storm that was in parts of New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, as weather satellite shows large plumes of dust blowing across the states and making its way to the east coast.

00:07:11.000 Maybe.

00:07:12.000 But I just want to point out, we have this from the West Virginia, this is the, what is this?

00:07:17.000 DEPW.gov.

00:07:19.000 The Department of, what is that?

00:07:20.000 Environment or something?

00:07:22.000 Environmental Protection.

00:07:24.000 Coordinating with state and local agencies to investigate dust issue in the Eastern Panhandle.

00:07:28.000 They received reports late Thursday night about the dust and mobilized inspectors.

00:07:32.000 No shelter-in-place advisories have been issued in the area.

00:07:35.000 They say that we have staff on site who are coordinating with our state and local partners to identify the material or any potential causes.

00:07:41.000 Samples will be taken.

00:07:42.000 They don't know exactly what it is.

00:07:44.000 So a heck of a convenient time for a dust storm to hit when last week we're like, hey, we're really worried being downwind from East Palestine when they're burning all these chemicals. 0.94

00:07:56.000 There's videos coming out of Ohio showing cars blanketed with some kind of white residue.

00:08:00.000 And now we're hearing in the area downwind from East Palestine, cars are being blanketed in white residue.

00:08:07.000 So it's just bad timing?

00:08:08.000 Is it bad timing?

00:08:09.000 Or what do you guys think?

00:08:10.000 Well, I mentioned, I think a few days ago about the half-life of some of the chemicals that are involved in the process.

00:08:17.000 Vinyl chloride being one of them, 2.3 day half-life, doesn't mean that they disappear, that half of it disappears every 2.3 days.

00:08:23.000 It just turns into something else.

00:08:25.000 So it could have turned into, there could be other stuff up there.

00:08:28.000 I don't like the hypochondriac lifestyle of like, please be afraid and avoid what might be a problem.

00:08:35.000 There are scales, my friend.

00:08:37.000 There are scales.

00:08:38.000 You can choose to be a paranoid hypochondriac or you can choose to plug your ears and act like nothing's happening.

00:08:43.000 Exactly.

00:08:43.000 Trying to find that balance is the difficult thing.

00:08:45.000 That's why I say, look, they think it may be from a dust storm.

00:08:48.000 We don't know.

00:08:49.000 And it's a heck of a bad timing for a dust storm to happen when we're concerned about these chemicals.

00:08:55.000 I would, I imagine that it might have something to do with the weather, and the only reason that I feel that way, honestly, is because yesterday was almost 80 degrees, it was super windy, so the weather's been a little wacky around here, so I think that that might have something to do with it.

00:09:10.000 I really don't think that, that's what I would put my money on.

00:09:13.000 Is that normal?

00:09:13.000 It was 80 yesterday?

00:09:14.000 It was 70.

00:09:15.000 78 or something, it's going down to 30 tonight.

00:09:17.000 Yeah, so the weather's been kind of wacky, there was a lot of wind today, so I think that that's probably, Like, not trying to, you know, be the wet blanket, but I really think that it's most likely something benign.

00:09:28.000 I don't think I've ever seen a dust storm before.

00:09:29.000 I've never been in a... The Dust Bowl, the first part of the 20th century, there was dust from Iowa making its way all the way to D.C.

00:09:37.000 Oh, okay.

00:09:38.000 No kidding.

00:09:38.000 This is heard of.

00:09:39.000 Yeah, Google the Dust Bowl.

00:09:41.000 The historic average for this month in the Harpers Ferry area is 39 degrees.

00:09:46.000 It was so nice yesterday.

00:09:47.000 And it was double that.

00:09:49.000 Yeah.

00:09:49.000 It was it was double the average.

00:09:51.000 So what's the I don't know if they have the record list down here.

00:09:54.000 I'm looking at like weather weather dot com or something.

00:09:57.000 I know it's the boring answer, but I do think that it's because it was the crazy weather.

00:10:02.000 The record is 73.

00:10:04.000 We must have broke that because I think we definitely did.

00:10:07.000 I think we must have broken the record.

00:10:09.000 Huh.

00:10:10.000 The Dust Bowl is interesting.

00:10:10.000 I'm reading about it now during the 1930s, just a period of severe dust storms.

00:10:15.000 Mm hmm.

00:10:16.000 That's how the desert in Maine was formed, similar to why the Dust Bowl was a problem, just over-farming.

00:10:22.000 Yeah, no crop rotation, they weren't maintaining topsoil and stuff like that.

00:10:26.000 So, even if it is a dust storm, of dust blowing from the south, it doesn't mean that it can't pick up vinyl chloride residue and particles in the atmosphere on the way.

00:10:33.000 Fair enough, that's true.

00:10:34.000 Do you guys hear about, like, there's a bunch of factories on fire or something like that?

00:10:39.000 No, I'm just seeing videos of factories blown up.

00:10:42.000 I saw someone talking today, I think it was someone from the Blaze, was talking about three fires in oil, of the same oil company.

00:10:55.000 And I don't remember the name of the company, I didn't bookmark the tweet.

00:10:58.000 And there's tweets right now, I'm seeing a tweet about a uranium fire?

00:11:03.000 No.

00:11:03.000 In Oak Ridge, Tennessee.

00:11:04.000 See, it's hard to know.

00:11:07.000 You been?

00:11:08.000 Three fires broke out at three different facilities in Mexico.

00:11:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:13.000 Yeah.

00:11:13.000 I typed in Ukrainian fire, Tennessee and yup.

00:11:15.000 Ukrainian?

00:11:16.000 It's two days ago.

00:11:16.000 Uranium.

00:11:18.000 You got Ukraine on the brain.

00:11:20.000 Everybody does, man.

00:11:21.000 Oh, man.

00:11:22.000 Joe Biden's giving them more priority than us.

00:11:24.000 Yeah, it was two days ago.

00:11:25.000 There was no injuries or release of radioactivity after uranium fire at Y-12 in Oak Ridge.

00:11:31.000 That's no joke.

00:11:32.000 So Oak Ridge is where, you know, the first atomic weapons were built.

00:11:36.000 Got to go there when I was acting Secretary of Defense.

00:11:39.000 It was like bucket list thing.

00:11:42.000 The people down there, like the scientists and the engineers, but that's no joke if they had a fire down there.

00:11:47.000 Wow.

00:11:48.000 Why haven't we heard more about that?

00:11:50.000 Look, man, I've been... Maybe it's a little too paranoid for Ian, but if a cyber attack was hitting our infrastructure, we and the public would not know about it.

00:11:59.000 The government's not gonna come out and be like, oh, you know that explosion that happened at that oil refinery?

00:12:03.000 Yeah, we were attacked by China.

00:12:05.000 They're gonna ignore it.

00:12:06.000 Unless they need to rally support.

00:12:09.000 At the time they decide to get involved in the conflict, then they'll come out and be like, yeah, we're being attacked.

00:12:14.000 And then it could actually be a disaster, unrelated to war, and they'll just say it is war.

00:12:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:20.000 If they could keep the cat in the bag, you know, nowadays with independent media and everything, somebody gets a quick little clip of that on their iPhone, shoots it up to Twitter, shoots it up to TikTok or something, it goes viral.

00:12:31.000 Yeah, people's access to phones and everything.

00:12:34.000 Do you think it could break through?

00:12:35.000 Because that's my thing.

00:12:36.000 It's so hard, and you guys do this every day, to break through the chaos of the media environment.

00:12:43.000 Do you think you could break through with a video of something from K-12 or Y-12 at Oak Ridge?

00:12:49.000 So if I was able to post it on TimCast News on Twitter, then definitely.

00:12:52.000 But maybe you could tell us a little bit more about, like, I don't know, the nation's ability to, like, censor us online.

00:12:59.000 Because if something like that did happen, I'd imagine that, you know, they'd try to suspend free speech or try to keep it on raps, not let reporters report on whatever attack was going on.

00:13:07.000 If they were trying to keep it, you know, still a secret.

00:13:09.000 I'm with you.

00:13:09.000 Send it to TimCast.

00:13:11.000 Charlie P. says, the ash is happening here in PA.

00:13:11.000 I'm with you.

00:13:14.000 It is not weather.

00:13:15.000 Yeah, they're burning stuff.

00:13:17.000 I wouldn't be surprised if what they're burning is making its way down here.

00:13:20.000 But anyway, not to derail what we were just talking about.

00:13:23.000 Oh, did you really say derail?

00:13:27.000 Did you see that clip from where Pete Buttigieg had a brain cramp?

00:13:35.000 He said, uh, sorry, I didn't mean to derail.

00:13:38.000 He said something.

00:13:39.000 Did you see that one?

00:13:40.000 There's a train.

00:13:41.000 He used a train analogy.

00:13:43.000 Oh, it was so like, you know, you know, when you're in the zone, you, you know, and I felt bad for the guy, but I was like, Ooh.

00:13:51.000 He's so bad at this.

00:13:52.000 They're all bad at it.

00:13:53.000 It's like they shouldn't be in these positions.

00:13:54.000 But you know, here we are.

00:13:55.000 It's like that meme where it's like wondering how something got there.

00:13:59.000 There's like a car on top of a gate.

00:14:01.000 And then there's like a dog on a roof.

00:14:04.000 And then you've got like Kamala Harris at the podium or whatever. 1.00

00:14:07.000 And then you've got Pete Buttigieg in East Palestine.

00:14:09.000 I don't know, there are ashes here, there are ashes in Pennsylvania, there's even ashes in East Palestine, or maybe that's just peace-booted judges' presidential ambitions going up in flames.

00:14:21.000 I was going to go with Ash Wednesday too, but that would be a really bad pun.

00:14:25.000 I would say that would be too mean, but Matt Walsh has convinced me otherwise.

00:14:30.000 You decided you could be mean now.

00:14:33.000 Only for goodness.

00:14:35.000 Well, so the issue is, you know, talking about this Matt Walsh thing, I'm not saying to, you know, scream at somebody and insult them.

00:14:43.000 You know, I'm saying be meaner.

00:14:45.000 You can't just be passive and say, slow down there, Democrats.

00:14:49.000 You've got to actually be like, no, stop.

00:14:52.000 And we should shame people doing bad things like degenerate behavior that harms children should be shamed and ostracized and shunned from society.

00:15:00.000 I like the word mean in mathematics.

00:15:02.000 The mean is the average.

00:15:03.000 So you're really bringing things back to center when you're being mean.

00:15:07.000 And a lot of times that can be like, no, well, reality is this.

00:15:10.000 Bill's face right now is hilarious. 0.97

00:15:11.000 He's just like, he has this look like, Ian, you're insane.

00:15:13.000 In that sense, be mean if you're going to bring, if you're going to ground people in reality.

00:15:17.000 But if you're attempting to make their life worse with your behavior than that, I think I have no... Ian, you can't go and just say, let's change what the word means.

00:15:28.000 Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, stop, stop, Phil.

00:15:31.000 I felt the pull you felt right, you feel right now, but I gotta go with Ian on this one, because he's basically giving a golden ticket for everybody to be mean to bad people.

00:15:41.000 I am mean in life.

00:15:43.000 I will tell you directly to your face what I think.

00:15:45.000 What he's saying is, if there's someone who's a really bad person who's harming kids, and you are mean to them, you're actually pulling them back down to the average by doing so, and I'll take it.

00:15:55.000 Look, woodchipper goes burr when it comes to pedos, but when it comes to actually changing the meaning of words... There you are with that meaning.

00:16:03.000 Mean.

00:16:04.000 What does that mean?

00:16:05.000 I think, Ian, you have an issue with making puns out of political arguments.

00:16:08.000 My head's going to explode after that one.

00:16:12.000 Being mean isn't being nasty.

00:16:14.000 That's why they're different words.

00:16:15.000 It's not being cruel because that's why they're different words.

00:16:17.000 Meanness has a...

00:16:20.000 I'm sitting here you know being like all these people are talking to Matt Walsh saying you shouldn't be mean to people and blah blah blah and Matt's like no there's no limits like we can't let these people do these bad things and he's giving you a straight justification for his action and then Ian gives this circuitous semantic definition of well actually mean just reply signifies the average in which case when you're mean to someone you're just making them average and it's like okay however you want to Literally causing me physical pain with that.

00:16:50.000 However you want to justify calling someone a creepy degenerate, I will accept. 0.85

00:16:57.000 What Matt Walsh is talking about is be as cruel as you can.

00:17:03.000 He intends to be cruel.

00:17:05.000 I don't think Matt Walsh was saying be as cruel as possible.

00:17:08.000 Maybe not as possible.

00:17:10.000 He was just saying be mean to these people.

00:17:11.000 I talked about this with Ali earlier.

00:17:16.000 Talk about it last night.

00:17:17.000 You've got people who are doing bad things that hurt people.

00:17:21.000 And they either experience positive reaction or neutral reaction.

00:17:21.000 Yes.

00:17:25.000 If there is no negative response to their actions, they'll just keep doing it because the investment is clearly in one direction.

00:17:32.000 Positive reinforcement.

00:17:32.000 Yeah.

00:17:33.000 Kid that wants to eat sugar. 0.99

00:17:35.000 And you're like, no, you can't have that.

00:17:36.000 You're being mean!

00:17:37.000 Why are you being mean?

00:17:38.000 I want it!

00:17:39.000 And you're like, you're not going to have it.

00:17:40.000 That's a good example.

00:17:40.000 Sorry.

00:17:41.000 And so that's me being mean.

00:17:42.000 But if I'm, if I'm actually want to hurt that kid and make that kid's life worse, I'm not, that's not the reason to be mean to him.

00:17:48.000 If you want to make that kid's life worse, you give him more sugar.

00:17:50.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:17:51.000 Or call him an idiot. 1.00

00:17:52.000 You know, I could insult him, too. 1.00

00:17:54.000 No, you stupid moron. 1.00

00:17:56.000 I'm not trying to hurt the kid. 1.00

00:17:57.000 I'm trying to protect him by being mean.

00:18:00.000 It depends.

00:18:01.000 I think this is another good analogy for what's happening in the culture war, what's happening with society, is you've got people who are gluttonous on social media, in a social sense, in that they will do weird things, get a positive response, and then say, I will keep doing this, because no one is giving them a negative response.

00:18:19.000 You need to tell people who are doing bad things what you're doing is bad.

00:18:23.000 And you can do it in a bunch of different ways.

00:18:26.000 You know, calling someone creepy and degenerate is not the worst possible thing in the world for a person, and it may make them rethink targeting children and causing harm to other people.

00:18:34.000 And then sometimes the ends justify the means and in the case of Matt Walsh it goes bigger than just that video he released because in Tennessee he also held a ban on trans rallies or I'm getting that butchered but butchered but he in Tennessee they actually also managed to pass something in their state legislature banning gender transition for people I think around 14 or 15 you need a fact check me on that but you know he's actually accomplishing things and I think it's like called culture jamming So, Matt Walsh is doing a good job drawing attention to this, even if he's being a little bit mean.

00:19:07.000 You know, he's actually getting things done in Tennessee.

00:19:09.000 He's literally the one to talk.

00:19:10.000 Think about using anger in, like, just the whole society.

00:19:14.000 Well, I'm thinking about using it in, like, Jimmy Dore's, like, you got to get mad.

00:19:18.000 You got to get out on the street and block traffic.

00:19:20.000 You need to be the disruption and, like, feel like in the 70s when they were protesting the Vietnam War, they were angry.

00:19:25.000 angry, they were pissed because their friends were getting drafted and blown apart and they 1.00

00:19:29.000 were like, fear of being sucked into this stupid war. 0.99

00:19:34.000 So I understand that maybe getting angry, there is some value to it. 1.00

00:19:37.000 I just, I see it get out of control really quick a lot of times, especially in conversation.

00:19:41.000 So I don't know.

00:19:42.000 What do you, what do you think, Chris?

00:19:43.000 I mean, you've been doing this a long time.

00:19:45.000 I love the conversation yesterday on that.

00:19:48.000 And I guess I think we do need to get it's about accountability.

00:19:53.000 I think in a lot of ways is what you're talking about is by being mean, you're driving accountability into the system.

00:19:59.000 No?

00:20:00.000 Yeah.

00:20:01.000 I mean, call it accountability, call it whatever you want, the math is simple.

00:20:06.000 If someone goes on Instagram and throws a pie at a stranger, and Instagram gives him money, and all the users say, hey, that was really funny, you're amazing, he's gonna go, wow, people really like when I do this, they're gonna keep doing it.

00:20:18.000 We saw this with prank videos on YouTube.

00:20:20.000 There were videos that were getting increasingly dangerous and insane.

00:20:25.000 It starts with one guy being like, I'm gonna do a prank, and he goes, bah!

00:20:27.000 You know, he like jumps out from behind a building, whoa! 0.99

00:20:29.000 And then they're like, ah, you scared me, you silly goose! 0.99

00:20:31.000 And then he gets a million views. 0.99

00:20:33.000 Three months later, the dude's wearing a Freddy Krueger mask and drawing a knife and swinging it at people.

00:20:39.000 I'm exaggerating, but you actually had a trend on YouTube where people would walk into black neighborhoods and throw racial slurs at black people because it got traffic on YouTube.

00:20:49.000 There was no negative reaction to the things they were doing.

00:20:53.000 Finally, YouTube was like, we're going to start banning content that does this and apply a negative pressure.

00:20:59.000 That's, I don't necessarily agree, I actually kind of agree to a certain extent with this.

00:21:04.000 If people were doing things that were like expressing an opinion or being silenced for it, it's one thing.

00:21:08.000 If you're literally trying to cause fights, and that's what they were doing, they would walk up to some minority, Say a slur to them, and then get beaten up.

00:21:17.000 And they were getting millions of views on this stuff.

00:21:20.000 It's like bumfights. 1.00

00:21:21.000 It's like, I got my limits on, you know, what should be promoted and be given a positive response to.

00:21:28.000 What ends up happening is, there needs to be, it used to be journalists, they'd be like, hey, this is a bad thing and we're gonna show you, and then everyone would be like, shun the bad person, shun them.

00:21:37.000 Now we're in this era of total acceptance.

00:21:40.000 So people go on Instagram, people go on Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, and they'll do something genuinely bad and harmful, but now they're getting protected by big tech.

00:21:49.000 They're going on and telling children to harm themselves, and they're getting protected.

00:21:53.000 And then Matt Walsh comes out and says, you are eerie, you are creepy, no one will find you attractive.

00:21:59.000 And he didn't say it screaming, he wasn't spitting, he's very calmly saying, this is the reality, this is the truth.

00:22:05.000 You need to have that so that the people who are doing the bad things say, you know what, maybe I shouldn't do this.

00:22:11.000 I'm going to give you an example.

00:22:12.000 He was talking about Dylan Mulvaney.

00:22:14.000 Dylan Mulvaney has videos where he's giving tampons.

00:22:18.000 He's talking about taking tampons and using them and other things like this.

00:22:21.000 Dylan Mulvaney did not care that people on the right were critical of it.

00:22:26.000 It was only when leftists got critical and said, what you are doing is creepy, did Dylan Mulvaney come out and be like, I'm sorry, I was just trying to help.

00:22:33.000 The negative reaction worked in stopping a person from doing a bad thing that hurt people.

00:22:38.000 So, you don't need to go and do anything crazy.

00:22:42.000 You just need to say outright, like, I don't like you.

00:22:44.000 I think you're bad. 0.97

00:22:45.000 I think you're unattractive. 1.00

00:22:46.000 I think you're an evil person. 0.99

00:22:49.000 Tell them why they're bad.

00:22:51.000 don't let them just don't tolerate bad behavior that's hurting people.

00:22:55.000 Absolutely. And I wanted to clarify on the bill in Tennessee that Matt Walsh helped

00:23:00.000 drum up support for it says Tennessee House Republicans on Thursday overwhelmingly passed

00:23:04.000 the ban on gender transition health care for minors. The bill prohibits children from receiving

00:23:08.000 puberty blockers, hormone therapies or surgical procedures.

00:23:12.000 People who receive the treatments as minors would also be able to sue parents, guardians and

00:23:16.000 physicians for authorizing the care under a statute of limitations. Wow.

00:23:20.000 So you think Daily Wire being in Tennessee has anything to do with that?

00:23:23.000 Well, he had a Matt Walsh had a rally there that helped him up a lot of support for this and he lobbied for this as well.

00:23:29.000 And definitely, I think it has something.

00:23:30.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:23:31.000 I mean, what is a woman as a documentary was tremendous.

00:23:34.000 It pushed the story into the mainstream.

00:23:36.000 It was all, like, everybody had talked about it, was watching it.

00:23:40.000 Joe Rogan comes out, and he's like, you see this thing?

00:23:41.000 This is crazy.

00:23:42.000 A lot of people did not know what they're doing, and they're still doing, and they're expanding on.

00:23:47.000 You know, one of the weirdest things about protecting, like, not letting people do harm to children, and they're like, you can't put kids on puberty blockers when they're 11, because that's going to hurt them in the long run. 0.95

00:23:56.000 You can't cut children's penises off, because that's going to hurt them in the long run. 1.00

00:24:00.000 But then I've heard from other people are like, if they don't get the chemical castration they need, Then they're going to kill themselves and you're doing harm to them. 1.00

00:24:08.000 If they don't get their penis cut off, then you're doing harm to them because they don't feel right. 1.00

00:24:13.000 That's a lie. 1.00

00:24:14.000 How do those two realities... It's not reality.

00:24:18.000 It's a lie.

00:24:20.000 It's definitely a warped way of looking.

00:24:23.000 I think it's a warped way because I've never heard people talk like that before.

00:24:26.000 It's like Donald Trump.

00:24:30.000 gets on the phone with the president of Ukraine and he's like, what's this video that's going

00:24:34.000 around where Biden's trying to withhold money or something?

00:24:37.000 Can you look into that? And then the establishment machine comes out and says, Donald Trump

00:24:42.000 engaged in a quid pro quo. And so now he's going to be impeached. And it's like, it was Joe Biden who

00:24:48.000 did that, not Donald Trump. They project what, like, they accuse everyone of doing what they

00:24:54.000 are literally doing.

00:24:56.000 That's it.

00:24:57.000 So when they're targeting children and putting them in situations that could result in death and suicide and self-harm, they accuse everyone else of doing it.

00:25:05.000 But you take a look at what's going on with detransitioners, and there's more and more every single day. 1.00

00:25:09.000 I was talking with Ali London about how on Reddit there's 50,000 members of the detransition subreddit.

00:25:15.000 Horror stories of saying, like, I was tricked into this, I was rushed into this.

00:25:18.000 I think Chloe Cole is now suing Kaiser Permanente. 1.00

00:25:21.000 Yeah, so when these people come out and say, no, we have to, otherwise the children will be harmed, it's like, I'm pretty sure amputating the genitals of a child will not save their life, but probably cause them to self-harm in the future.

00:25:31.000 That's just common sense.

00:25:33.000 Chris, I know we're seeing a lot of this transgenderism and LGBTQ ideology infiltrate a lot of different parts of our government and society.

00:25:40.000 I know you were a former Secretary of Defense.

00:25:42.000 Can you tell me?

00:25:43.000 And you also served in Afghanistan.

00:25:46.000 Did you see any of that in the army?

00:25:48.000 And what are what have been the current policies towards it?

00:25:50.000 Do you think they should be different?

00:25:51.000 Specifically, General Milley?

00:25:55.000 Did you set me up for that?

00:25:57.000 No!

00:25:58.000 No, I didn't!

00:26:01.000 I did, oh gosh, 30-something years in the military.

00:26:06.000 And this might sound cliche, but it's not.

00:26:10.000 It's true.

00:26:11.000 I never met a single person that joined the military to fight the culture wars, right?

00:26:15.000 The military is the ultimate meritocracy.

00:26:18.000 Work hard.

00:26:20.000 You'll get promoted.

00:26:21.000 You'll have opportunities.

00:26:23.000 And so people join to prepare to fight real wars.

00:26:26.000 So I have great hope.

00:26:29.000 And I know you guys get a little down once in a while.

00:26:31.000 Like, you know, this is ancient Rome or something.

00:26:35.000 But I'll tell you what, the sergeants, the ones that are responsible for like four soldiers, sailors, airmen, marine, space force, guardians, they're focused on making sure their people are ready to go to war.

00:26:49.000 I went down to a special forces group recently because I thought maybe I'm out of sorts.

00:26:55.000 I'm old now.

00:26:56.000 I've been out of the military for a few years.

00:26:58.000 I went down there just to kind of do a temperature check, check on the sergeants that run the army, and I'm like, okay, they've still got the right focus.

00:27:07.000 The problem, I think, is that they're confused because their leadership is getting involved in the culture wars.

00:27:13.000 And they're like, if I get involved in the culture wars, I get fired.

00:27:18.000 I think there's a confusion, there's a loss of confidence between those that are down there doing everyday work, leading soldiers, and their bosses who are saying, there's that saying, do as I say, not as I do.

00:27:30.000 That doesn't work in the military.

00:27:32.000 You've got to be coherent across.

00:27:35.000 I'm worried, yes, but I'm also enormously, enormously confident in our young leaders.

00:27:42.000 These kids are 21, 22 years old, and they're responsible for four or five other people's lives.

00:27:48.000 They take that pretty seriously.

00:27:49.000 So I'm not worried about that.

00:27:51.000 I'm worried about the fact that, yeah.

00:27:55.000 Senior leadership's getting involved in things that they shouldn't get involved in.

00:27:58.000 They need to focus on warfighting and combat effectiveness.

00:28:01.000 I was thinking like if something were to happen, tragic, and the United States was sucked into a war for real, like the balloon floated over the United States for five days or whatever.

00:28:10.000 That I would hope the military is ready to step in and take control if Biden can't do his job, which he seems like he's not able to do his job.

00:28:16.000 I don't want to not have faith in the guy, but I don't have faith in him.

00:28:19.000 You don't want the military to take over.

00:28:22.000 I want, if there's a commander that is incapable of commanding, he needs to be relieved of duty.

00:28:28.000 That's what we have the Vice President and the Speaker of the House for. 0.99

00:28:33.000 There is a line of people that Assume a line of civilian office if the president can't do his job You do not want the military to assume power if when you can have when we have The whole Constitution has got like all this stuff handled

00:28:52.000 I don't care about the Constitution.

00:28:54.000 In reality, if we were under threat of death, I don't want Joe Biden in control of the military or Kamala Harris.

00:28:59.000 Chris, so I know that trans soldiers, they could currently openly serve right now in the army and the force will provide hormone therapy and mental health care.

00:29:08.000 Do you think that's in within the purview of what they should be happening in the army?

00:29:15.000 I'll tap dance on that one a little bit.

00:29:17.000 First off, Phil, preach it.

00:29:18.000 It's all about civilian control.

00:29:20.000 And the last thing we ever want is a military officer to think, and that's part of my book, is that I'm concerned That the military, the senior officers are getting too big-headed about this and thinking like, yeah, if there's a problem, we'll step in.

00:29:38.000 Because there were rumors about that, remember, with President Trump, that the senior military leadership was like, we think this guy's crazy.

00:29:45.000 The third, on January 6th, the third in line to the office of the president asked the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, hey, can we just have the military room?

00:29:55.000 Can we get crew-served machine guns?

00:29:57.000 Nancy Pelosi requested a military coup on January 6th.

00:30:01.000 That actually happened.

00:30:03.000 She went to Milley and asked him.

00:30:05.000 It blows my mind.

00:30:07.000 She called and said, can they intervene and stop Trump?

00:30:10.000 Should Trump try to engage in any kind of military activity?

00:30:12.000 He said, ma'am, that would be a coup against a sitting president.

00:30:15.000 She tried! 0.99

00:30:17.000 I get the civilian leadership.

00:30:20.000 Obviously we need civilian leadership because you don't want a junta taking control like a military government, but if you have incompetent leadership, do we just wait and hope that the next civilian is going to do it right?

00:30:31.000 Do we just sit and wait?

00:30:34.000 What makes you think that just because the person that would assume control from the military is somehow competent?

00:30:42.000 Just because they're in the military?

00:30:43.000 I don't know.

00:30:44.000 I just know that Joe Biden's not, in my opinion.

00:30:46.000 Yes, fair, but that doesn't mean, like, that doesn't mean you throw the Constitution away, or you throw the, or just go ahead and throw all the laws away.

00:30:53.000 Well, Joe Biden, you know, he's got tapioca for brains, so we got to go ahead and get a general to run the show?

00:30:59.000 Uh-uh.

00:31:00.000 That is a terrible, terrible idea.

00:31:02.000 I feel what you're saying, concerned about Joe Biden.

00:31:05.000 I get it, because I feel it too.

00:31:07.000 Joe Biden, I genuinely believe he's got cognitive problems.

00:31:13.000 But just because of that, that is not a justification to have him removed from office with guns.

00:31:20.000 That is third world country, that is banana republic stuff, that is going to war kind of stuff. 0.91

00:31:26.000 That is not what we need.

00:31:27.000 Not at all.

00:31:28.000 It is like going to war kind of stuff.

00:31:29.000 I'm saying if we are declared war upon, and now we're in it, there are Chinese troops in Alaska moving down.

00:31:35.000 Do we just wait for Biden to wake up?

00:31:37.000 Do we wait for Kamala Harris to take control? 1.00

00:31:39.000 What do we do?

00:31:40.000 Let's ask the expert who is currently sitting across from us.

00:31:44.000 What do you do in the event, let's say the U.S.

00:31:46.000 gets invaded?

00:31:47.000 Let's wheel things back.

00:31:50.000 Chinese spy balloon comes over the U.S., potentially tracking data on our nuclear sites, potentially tracking data on the sensors that it's picking up what's coming at it.

00:32:00.000 So the things that we're using to detect it, it is actually detecting.

00:32:04.000 Let's say that's a precursor to a move on Taiwan.

00:32:08.000 Let's say before the move on Taiwan, we've already seen China go into territorial waters around Alaska and Hawaii.

00:32:15.000 Let's say they start positioning the military, strike on Taiwan, and then instantly we get a battalion of Chinese troops paradropping or crashing on the shores of Alaska or something. 0.90

00:32:26.000 Do we just sit here and go, Biden's got it handled?

00:32:32.000 I'm flashing back to Red Dawn.

00:32:34.000 Come on.

00:32:35.000 It's been remade, right?

00:32:36.000 I didn't see the second one.

00:32:38.000 In the event a true conflict reaches the shores of the United States, do we just sit back and say Biden is our president and he's got it?

00:32:46.000 I still have faith the system will work in regards to, like, that's not something you can ignore, right?

00:32:52.000 So, and this kind of comes back a little bit, like, so you've got Secretary Austin, he's the Secretary of Defense.

00:33:02.000 You have Mark Milley, you can say what you want.

00:33:04.000 General Milley is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

00:33:06.000 They will go to the President and say, this is what has to be done.

00:33:11.000 Now, the question is, what's their guidance going to be?

00:33:13.000 But at the end of the day, that's like an act of war.

00:33:17.000 So we're going to go to war over that.

00:33:20.000 Now, let's talk about that spy balloon.

00:33:23.000 Was that an act of war that it violated our airspace?

00:33:25.000 Well, we let it, right?

00:33:27.000 We could go on all day about that.

00:33:29.000 So, go ahead.

00:33:30.000 I think the issue is Milley and whoever else, they're going to go to Biden and go, Mr. President, we have currently an incursion into U.S.

00:33:38.000 soil in Alaska by a Chinese unit.

00:33:41.000 We need to act now.

00:33:42.000 And Biden's going to be like, so deploy the troops to Libya.

00:33:47.000 And he's going to be like, sir, you heard me.

00:33:49.000 Get it done.

00:33:50.000 Okay!

00:33:51.000 Do they say, no, I won't follow that order, you meant to say Alaska?

00:33:55.000 That's exactly my concern is...

00:33:59.000 Your last resort when you're in those positions, if your boss, in this case the president, says something wacky is you resign and you go public.

00:34:08.000 And we don't do that anymore, right?

00:34:11.000 So that's the concern is everybody's in lockstep right now because they want to get promoted or whatever.

00:34:17.000 And that's exactly the issue that concerns me is who's quit?

00:34:23.000 Let's talk about the spy balloon.

00:34:25.000 Who offered their resignation over that?

00:34:28.000 That was a gross failure, right?

00:34:30.000 That was a gross failure.

00:34:32.000 Shouldn't somebody have been fired?

00:34:33.000 They won't even admit that it was a gross failure.

00:34:35.000 But shouldn't, in the military, someone should have come forward and said, I was responsible for the defense of our airspace.

00:34:44.000 It was violated.

00:34:45.000 I failed.

00:34:46.000 I am quitting.

00:34:48.000 I'm resigning because I failed to do my job.

00:34:50.000 Nobody's come forward to do that.

00:34:52.000 So that's my concern, is we don't have that ethos now.

00:34:57.000 That's essential to the officer corps.

00:34:59.000 That's why I brought this whole conversation up, because, like, where's the leadership?

00:35:02.000 But I can see, like, the end of the Roman Republic, Julius Caesar came with the military and took control of the military dictatorship empire.

00:35:08.000 I don't want that.

00:35:09.000 But that's where my mind is focused, with a lack of leadership, with, like, what the hell's been happening last month?

00:35:15.000 Where is Biden on East Ohio?

00:35:17.000 I want to say this.

00:35:19.000 I'm wondering, we talk about morals and ethics and often it's not black and white.

00:35:26.000 There's a gradient.

00:35:28.000 To what degree do we accept censorship or oppose free speech?

00:35:32.000 Even people who claim to be free speech absolutists, I'm like, you've got a limit.

00:35:36.000 If somebody is posting videos of child exploitation, you're probably going to come out and be like, OK, yeah, that's not speech.

00:35:40.000 That's illegal.

00:35:41.000 It's like, well, it's not.

00:35:43.000 And that means you don't agree, you don't believe that anyone can just say or produce anything they want.

00:35:47.000 There are certain things that are illegal.

00:35:49.000 And then even insofar as what if you're not a producer of it, you're sharing it for some reason to express an idea.

00:35:55.000 No, still no.

00:35:56.000 You can't do that stuff.

00:35:57.000 So we accept that there are limits in this regard.

00:36:00.000 I wonder about... I kind of lost my train of thought.

00:36:03.000 What were we just talking about?

00:36:03.000 We were talking about basically when is it appropriate to resign, the ethics of, you know, a leadership and whose accountability.

00:36:11.000 I thought was kind of where we were going with this.

00:36:13.000 I'm with... I got you about Caesar.

00:36:17.000 That was my biggest concern.

00:36:19.000 January 6th, there was this narrative.

00:36:22.000 My issue is basically, we obviously don't like Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge, the Killing Fields, whatever.

00:36:30.000 We see what happens when brutal, merciless dictatorships take over the Soviet Union.

00:36:34.000 But I wonder if the reason there's such a negative view of things like the Roman Empire is because the people who were in those countries who wrote down the stories of what happened were the fat, gluttonous degenerates who were shocked to find that a country was actually trying to have some morals again.

00:36:50.000 What I mean to say is, it's not black and white.

00:36:52.000 There's certainly circumstances where we're like, okay, we got a problem with this dictatorship.

00:36:56.000 And I'm sure there are circumstances where you get a more classically liberal but community-based, stern attitude of service guarantees citizenship.

00:37:04.000 That is to say, a government that doesn't come to you and lock you in a gulag and mercilessly beat you, a government that comes and says, I'm sorry, we're not going to pay your healthcare because you're a glutton and you're eating too much food, you need to stop. 0.97

00:37:16.000 Well, the gluttons, the degenerates, are going to freak out. 0.98

00:37:18.000 They're going to write every story in the world about how the fascists are taking over and we're watching this happen. 0.98

00:37:22.000 So if I saw something That was like, service guarantees citizenship.

00:37:27.000 If you wanna vote, you have to provide some kind of community service.

00:37:30.000 Not military, maybe it's picking up trash. 0.51

00:37:33.000 The left is gonna scream, fascism, fascism!

00:37:35.000 And I'm kinda like, doesn't that just mean personal responsibility?

00:37:38.000 No one's telling you you're going to prison, no one's gonna beat you, you can still speak, you can still play video games, you can still yell the ho-hos and ding-dongs in the world, but we're saying you've got to be responsible to the community around you.

00:37:47.000 They would call that fascism.

00:37:49.000 So in the event, we did have a quote-unquote military takeover, but I'm saying that, you know, somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

00:37:56.000 I mean quite literally if they came out and said, hey, there's a minimum standard and it's going to be this, but you'll be able to live your lives as you see fit.

00:38:03.000 The people who are going to write the history books are going to claim a military dictatorship destroyed freedom in this country, when in reality it might actually just be something like, hey, we're about to collapse.

00:38:13.000 The country is going to fall apart.

00:38:14.000 The economy is spiraling out of control.

00:38:16.000 There's riots in the street.

00:38:17.000 I'll give you a better example.

00:38:18.000 If Donald Trump deployed the military, invoking the Insurrection Act during the Summer of Love, saving 30 plus lives, they would write down in the history books, a military dictator Donald Trump suppressed free speech.

00:38:31.000 So I question these narratives throughout history.

00:38:33.000 Some of them are probably bad.

00:38:35.000 Some of them might not have been as bad.

00:38:38.000 The most recent, at least supposed coup that almost tried to happen in our country was supposed to be January 6th.

00:38:46.000 Chris, you were acting Secretary of Defense at this time.

00:38:50.000 Sixth in line for the presidency, so if some coup happened... I think it's sixth in line.

00:38:54.000 Can somebody fact check me on that?

00:38:55.000 I believe it's sixth in line.

00:38:58.000 Could you tell me a little bit more about, not your role in January 6th, but our reaction to it, as I understand, with the National Guard?

00:39:05.000 Careful with your phrasing there.

00:39:08.000 You know, and then also we were talking about people resigning.

00:39:10.000 There were a lot of people who resigned from the Trump administration following this.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, Sunshine Soldiers.

00:39:19.000 You brought up, if we would have sent soldiers up on Capitol Hill On January 6th, the morning of.

00:39:27.000 So let's go back.

00:39:28.000 I hate to do this.

00:39:30.000 Let's go back.

00:39:30.000 I'm going to be pedantic and talk about our high school civics class.

00:39:34.000 Capitol Hill Legislative Branch.

00:39:37.000 Military Executive Branch.

00:39:41.000 Capitol Hill, you don't go up there if you're the executive branch of the military unless you're invited.

00:39:47.000 To do something different is called a military coup.

00:39:51.000 So I was not going to be party to that, obviously, because that's un-American and in violation of my oath of office to the Constitution. 0.93

00:39:59.000 So this narrative that we should have moved faster or had been up there beforehand would have been... Could you imagine what would have happened if we would have pushed, if I would have pushed National Guard troops up on Capitol Hill before the riots started?

00:40:15.000 Wow, it would have been a mess.

00:40:16.000 I know the only person who got killed was Ashley Babbitt by Capitol Police Officer Michael Byrd.

00:40:23.000 That was the only shot fired.

00:40:24.000 Do you think that was a justifiable shot given the situation?

00:40:27.000 Well, you know, the protective service detail, I don't, it appears to me that when she came through the window that she, she crashed in on the security bubble and they, and they shot her.

00:40:40.000 That was the moment when I realized we had been promised that the police in Washington D.C.

00:40:46.000 and on Capitol Hill could handle up to a million protesters that day.

00:40:50.000 And you don't use your military for domestic law enforcement.

00:40:55.000 That's what we have cops for. 1.00

00:40:56.000 You don't use military, you don't use soldiers to do domestic law enforcement until civil society is broken down.

00:41:03.000 Like a natural disaster in New Orleans, everything's gone to, you know what?

00:41:08.000 That's when you go in there, that's when the military serves and does law enforcement duties.

00:41:15.000 Until that happens, keep the military out.

00:41:17.000 The military—you talked about Vietnam—military really violated tons of American civil liberties by spying on Americans.

00:41:26.000 These are the things that are going to— They're still doing it!

00:41:28.000 My last follow-up was going to be, many people in the Trump administration decided to resign as a result of January 6th and the events following it.

00:41:38.000 You chose not to.

00:41:39.000 Can you tell me a little bit more about that decision?

00:41:40.000 Yeah, because I wanted to get more facts.

00:41:42.000 So, you know, I had been in combat a day or two.

00:41:45.000 I'd been a leader in the military, commander in the military, and you gotta be stable.

00:41:50.000 You gotta be steady, right?

00:41:52.000 That's what good leaders do.

00:41:53.000 I saw a lot of those political figures that bailed that day doing it for political reasons.

00:41:59.000 I was like, we need to find out what happened.

00:42:01.000 We're still finding out what happened that day.

00:42:03.000 So, here's the one that always bugs me when these bigwigs talk about, well, the reason I stayed is because I had to protect something.

00:42:17.000 If it wasn't for me, I had to protect our soldiers.

00:42:20.000 I'm not saying that.

00:42:21.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:42:22.000 I'm just saying...

00:42:24.000 That's my job.

00:42:25.000 I got six weeks left, or whatever it was.

00:42:28.000 Four weeks left.

00:42:29.000 And you know, what was that?

00:42:31.000 Was it Thomas Paine?

00:42:32.000 Sunshine?

00:42:33.000 Soldiers?

00:42:34.000 What's that?

00:42:36.000 Yeah, you know, it's like, hey, you get paid for the good times and the bad, and you really get paid for the tough times.

00:42:44.000 That's what the American people pay you for, right?

00:42:46.000 You never thought it was a coup or anything?

00:42:47.000 Dude, I was running the military.

00:42:50.000 There was no coup.

00:42:51.000 Millie was right about that.

00:42:53.000 Millie's like, you know, the only way there has to come through us, there was going to be no military coup.

00:42:59.000 Dude, I spent my life in service to this country and I swore to protect and defend the Constitution.

00:43:05.000 There's no way that I was going to allow back to your point about resigning.

00:43:10.000 If it came down to that and the president was not about He wasn't going there.

00:43:16.000 If it would have gone there, I would have resigned and gone right outside and gotten on TV and said I resigned in protest because I was asked to do something anti-constitutional.

00:43:27.000 Period.

00:43:27.000 End of story.

00:43:28.000 Bye.

00:43:28.000 That's if he asked for you to bring troops out?

00:43:32.000 No, if he was going to use them inappropriately or anti-constitutionally.

00:43:36.000 What about the—oh, I forgot the date.

00:43:39.000 Was it May 29th?

00:43:40.000 When was the—what was the insurrection?

00:43:42.000 Yeah, May 29th.

00:43:43.000 May 29th.

00:43:43.000 What about that?

00:43:45.000 You had these far leftists setting fire to St. 0.84

00:43:48.000 John's Church.

00:43:48.000 They set fire to a guard post at the White House.

00:43:50.000 They tore down barricades.

00:43:52.000 And the response was police.

00:43:55.000 You know, police came out, did their normal thing.

00:43:57.000 I suppose that's probably the appropriate response.

00:44:01.000 There were National Guard there.

00:44:03.000 You don't recall the National Guard flew helicopters down the middle of the streets that evening?

00:44:09.000 Oh gosh, yeah.

00:44:10.000 A lot went on.

00:44:12.000 That's not appropriate use of the military.

00:44:15.000 You don't think so?

00:44:17.000 No, that's what you have local law enforcement for.

00:44:20.000 What about when they're not doing their jobs?

00:44:22.000 I mean, in Seattle, in Portland, we saw, what was it, 120 some odd days of them?

00:44:26.000 Even New York!

00:44:27.000 They were firebombing federal buildings.

00:44:30.000 For a hundred days, far-left extremists were throwing firebombs and explosives.

00:44:34.000 Like, at that point, shouldn't the federal government act to defend its territory?

00:44:37.000 Like, its building and, like, the people who live and work in the area?

00:44:41.000 Federal government did.

00:44:43.000 They put in huge numbers of federal law enforcement to protect federal property.

00:44:48.000 The issue was the mayor was on the left side of the spectrum and was allowing that to happen.

00:44:53.000 It was a debacle.

00:44:55.000 And you've been out to Portland lately?

00:44:57.000 Oh my gosh.

00:44:58.000 But all that really happened was federal law enforcement stood inside the building And then the leftists continued to firebomb it for 100 plus days until they got bored with it and stopped.

00:45:09.000 The feds did not actually come out.

00:45:11.000 Feds were all over that town.

00:45:12.000 Don't you remember the crisis that happened?

00:45:15.000 How did it go on for 120 days?

00:45:18.000 Why did it not stop?

00:45:20.000 I believe in local government.

00:45:21.000 I don't believe the federal law enforcement should come in without Absolutely can protect federal property, but the governor has his National Guard, his or her.

00:45:34.000 They have plenty of access to security forces and law enforcement and National Guard without calling in the federal troops.

00:45:41.000 If the federal government can't stop people for three or four months from throwing firebombs at its building, then they should probably just leave.

00:45:49.000 They shouldn't be there because they're completely impotent.

00:45:52.000 I know they were there.

00:45:54.000 They did the joint unit.

00:45:55.000 They had DHS.

00:45:56.000 They had ICE.

00:45:57.000 They had a bunch of CBP or whatever were even coming, and they could do nothing to stop far-left extremists occupying the city and firebombing their building.

00:46:06.000 You can't do it.

00:46:08.000 You shouldn't be there.

00:46:09.000 It was like they sent troops into a siege, and then they just had to sit there and be sieged for 100 days.

00:46:13.000 What was the point?

00:46:14.000 It's better than having no troops in the siege.

00:46:16.000 I mean, I get it, but I think if someone commits a crime against the federal government, the federal government has a right to arrest criminals.

00:46:23.000 But hey, look, man, I guess I can just— I'll side with my libertarian friends on this one and be like, the end result of this, in my mind, the logical conclusion is...

00:46:31.000 It's a waste of taxpayer dollars to have federal law enforcement be paid to stand around for four months while people firebomb a building and they can't do anything about it.

00:46:39.000 So how about we just save ourselves the money, let the far left keep running amok and doing whatever they want, because clearly we're not stopping it.

00:46:45.000 If Portland and Seattle want that behavior, then far be it.

00:46:48.000 You're right, federal government, don't be there, shut the building down, leave.

00:46:52.000 What's the point of having a courthouse for the federal government if they're not going to arrest and convict these people anyway?

00:46:58.000 Waste of time!

00:46:59.000 Case study of what we're seeing.

00:47:01.000 Now, the interesting thing in Portland, I was out there a couple months ago, is local business is now in rebellion.

00:47:08.000 Comes back to economics, right?

00:47:10.000 Why wouldn't they?

00:47:11.000 They are clean in that town.

00:47:14.000 There's been a sea change out there with their attitude, but it was a case study of things just going out of control.

00:47:20.000 I'm with you.

00:47:21.000 Yeah.

00:47:21.000 What happens if a governor requests federal troops?

00:47:25.000 Do they then owe the federal government something?

00:47:27.000 Is it like, we'll pay you back later kind of thing?

00:47:29.000 Or is it just they come and they serve for free, no questions asked?

00:47:32.000 There are loopholes, technically speaking.

00:47:34.000 There's some law that you have to pay, you know, some, but usually it all gets waived.

00:47:39.000 So if the governor would have asked for federal troops, well, first off, we would have said, have you expended all your, you know, 5,000 members of your National Guard that work for you?

00:47:50.000 He's like, I have, and I still have not gained control of city X, Y, Z. And then, yeah, federal troops would have been brought in in support.

00:48:00.000 When the George Floyd riots happened, I think it was day two, I walked into the living room where Tim was.

00:48:05.000 I was like, why have we not sent in the National Guard?

00:48:07.000 What's happening?

00:48:08.000 Why fires?

00:48:09.000 Why?

00:48:10.000 Same thing, like the feds did not want to get involved because it was a state... National Guard did go in.

00:48:15.000 The Federal National Guard did go in?

00:48:16.000 No, DC National Guard.

00:48:18.000 But the Summer of Love was all over the country.

00:48:21.000 We saw riding in towns people have never heard of.

00:48:25.000 And there's crazy videos.

00:48:26.000 There's videos of like Antifa far leftists walking through some kind of like suburban neighborhood and a bunch of young men who live in the areas came out and then countered them and chased them off.

00:48:37.000 But we had this report from Michael Tracy of these small towns in the Midwest where stores were ransacked,

00:48:44.000 windows were smashed and it was by BLM and Antifa.

00:48:47.000 And they're like putting up board spray painting, small business, please don't hurt us and things

00:48:51.000 like that.

00:48:52.000 And Tom Cotton wrote, send in the troops.

00:48:54.000 The New York Times went into revolt and Donald Trump said, no, no, no, just let the country be destroyed by far left extremists.

00:49:01.000 But every governor has their National Guard, citizen soldiers, one weekend a month.

00:49:06.000 They're part of their National Guard that they control.

00:49:10.000 And they didn't do anything.

00:49:11.000 Well, how's that the federal government's problem?

00:49:13.000 I mean, if the federal government can't do anything about national widespread far-left terrorism, then I will just revert back to the whole national divorce civil war conversation.

00:49:25.000 Because at this point, it's kind of like the federal government can do one thing.

00:49:28.000 It can steal money from your paycheck and then burn it in Ukraine. 0.95

00:49:32.000 Meanwhile, our businesses are being set on fire And we're having far-left extremists show up to our libraries, we're having adult sex performers perform for children, but I can rest assured that local government will do nothing, and the federal government will take money from my paycheck and my business and burn it in Ukraine. 0.84

00:49:49.000 I think it's about arm yourself locally.

00:49:52.000 I don't want vigilante justice, but like, if your governor won't do it, and your president won't do it, and people are getting killed outside your house, like what?

00:50:00.000 What are people supposed to do in that situation?

00:50:02.000 I've never seen that in my life, God forbid it would ever happen, but like, Just local militia?

00:50:07.000 Is that actually constitutionally legal if the governor won't step up?

00:50:10.000 Absolutely.

00:50:12.000 I mean, you can't go and kill someone.

00:50:15.000 You can't have a posse go just shoot someone.

00:50:18.000 But there are places that have citizen arrests and stuff like that.

00:50:22.000 Yeah, look at Georgia. 1.00

00:50:23.000 Look at the McMichaels.

00:50:26.000 When a guy is a felony burglary suspect on camera committing felony burglary and the

00:50:33.000 police go door to door and say, this is the guy committing the felony burglaries of the

00:50:37.000 past several months in your neighborhood, and then this guy is reported running down

00:50:41.000 the street.

00:50:42.000 If you pursue him and he tries to steal your shotgun and gets shot in the in the in the

00:50:48.000 conflict, you will go to prison for the rest of your life.

00:50:52.000 If you are in Wisconsin and a group of BLM extremists who have already set fire to a building twice, if they show up to your house and you brandish a shotgun, the cops will come and arrest you. 0.62

00:51:04.000 If you're in Portland and far-left extremists create an autonomous zone where they kill people, mostly in Seattle where the people were killed, The police will do nothing.

00:51:13.000 The federal government will do nothing.

00:51:15.000 But rest assured, if you, as an American citizen, defend yourself from these people, they will show up to your doorsteps and mercilessly beat you.

00:51:24.000 If you protest at the government, if you haphazardly bumble down the street in DC, where the cops open the door to the Capitol building for you and say, come on in, I don't agree with it, but I respect it, you will find yourself in solitary confinement for two years without charges.

00:51:38.000 Where is the lie?

00:51:40.000 Where is the lie?

00:51:41.000 There is nothing lie.

00:51:42.000 There is no lie.

00:51:43.000 There's no lie.

00:51:44.000 That's all true.

00:51:44.000 If working class people who are desperately trying to follow the rules are being told for the past several years, we'll take your money and leave you high and dry when the psychopaths burn your house down, and they're doing it in Georgia.

00:51:55.000 These extremists who are protesting in the forest burning houses down, flipping trucks over and shooting at cops.

00:52:00.000 We are being told over and over and over again by local government, we will do nothing for you.

00:52:05.000 We're scared of them.

00:52:06.000 We're being told by the federal government, we will do nothing for you, but rest assured, I'll say it again, they'll take our money and burn it in Ukraine. 1.00

00:52:12.000 Speaking of burning money in Ukraine, Chris, I think you said that you wanted to reduce, or we could reduce, the military budget by something like 40 or 50 percent.

00:52:21.000 What do you think about the United States' reaction to Russia invading Ukraine, and what would you have done?

00:52:27.000 What would your reaction have been had the invasion happened under your watch?

00:52:34.000 I don't like bullies, end of story.

00:52:36.000 I just, authoritarian, totalitarian doesn't work for me.

00:52:39.000 And, you know, the big difference here in Ukraine than we had burning, taking our money and literally throwing it into the fire in Iraq and Afghanistan was, and when we left, all that money, you know what we were spending a week in Iraq and Afghanistan?

00:52:58.000 Two billion dollars a week.

00:53:00.000 And the whole thing came undone as soon as we left.

00:53:03.000 Ukraine, they're willing to fight, they're willing to die, they're willing to have their infrastructure destroyed. 0.94

00:53:09.000 So I believe that having support in Ukrainian forces is in our best interest.

00:53:20.000 I got one for you.

00:53:22.000 I got one for you.

00:53:23.000 Let's go ahead, if it's so important, take that out of the DoD budget as opposed to just adding to the federal deficit.

00:53:33.000 So I'm wondering if there would be such eagerness to provide exquisite weapon systems to the Ukrainians if that money was being subtracted from the 858 billion dollars If I could get specific.

00:53:49.000 So as I understand, we've sent more money to Ukraine right now than the entirety of the Afghanistan war.

00:53:56.000 I know we just reached to the point in sending tanks where I know at the beginning of the conflict about a year ago, that wasn't even in consideration.

00:54:03.000 How far do you think we should go with weapons?

00:54:05.000 Should we send more tanks potentially?

00:54:07.000 Should we send aircraft?

00:54:09.000 Alright, so here's my problem is the nature of warfare is changing, right?

00:54:17.000 Tanks and planes aren't the answer.

00:54:20.000 We're doing the wrong thing.

00:54:21.000 We're trying to rebuild, we're trying to build them an image of our military that we have lost every war that we have fought since World War II.

00:54:29.000 I think Korea is going to go in the, I think Korea is going to go in the win column someday. 0.99

00:54:33.000 I'd actually put Korea in the win column now. 0.98

00:54:36.000 So my issue is, sending all these exquisite, wicked expensive tanks, what's a tank run for?

00:54:44.000 Let's use an aircraft.

00:54:46.000 Aircraft goes for about $120 million a piece.

00:54:49.000 Drones can go for, what's a DGI?

00:54:54.000 The Chinese DGI goes for $2,000.

00:54:58.000 I'm not going to do public math, but you guys have your computers.

00:55:01.000 $100 million divided by $2,000.

00:55:07.000 Let's go ahead, instead of giving like- 50,000.

00:55:09.000 That's a lot.

00:55:10.000 Can you imagine if you're sitting there, you're a Russian, and you're like, okay, I've got my radars up, I see one plane coming, I'm good, I can handle that because I got a bunch of missiles. 0.99

00:55:21.000 Can you imagine all of a sudden when your radar screen just goes all white and 20,000 drones are coming in on you?

00:55:27.000 We're fighting the wrong way.

00:55:29.000 That's my concern.

00:55:30.000 So we're sending all this money that it's the wrong capability.

00:55:34.000 They can create light shows with drones that take the shape of a human face and have it animate and look around, and then a hand comes out and waves.

00:55:42.000 All the drones just make the lights.

00:55:43.000 Don't you love those?

00:55:44.000 It's amazing.

00:55:45.000 Imagine if they did that, but had them fly in a scatter formation carrying kilograms of explosive material or something.

00:55:53.000 The things you can do with drones and explosives, they can open up a computer, Choose every single target for 20,000 drones, and then every drone just targets windows, apartment buildings, cars.

00:56:09.000 I think we're fighting an old-school kind of way.

00:56:09.000 I agree.

00:56:12.000 Chris, isn't it a little bit contradictory, though, if you want to reduce spending by 40-50%, but you still want to send more arms to Ukraine?

00:56:19.000 So that's the thing I'm trying to argue in my book, is we can reduce spending if we rethink how we do our military operations.

00:56:28.000 Instead of a $14 billion aircraft carrier, that's $14 billion.

00:56:32.000 Instead of $1.5 trillion for the F-35 fighter, that's all Cold War stuff.

00:56:37.000 It's not going to last in a high-intensity war.

00:56:39.000 It's going to last 72 hours.

00:56:41.000 We need to rethink how we do this.

00:56:42.000 We need to go cyber.

00:56:43.000 We need to go machine learning, artificial intelligence.

00:56:46.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:56:49.000 Straight into AI?

00:56:51.000 No, autonomy.

00:56:52.000 Oh, okay.

00:56:53.000 Because what Tim said was, this isn't like some Skynet thing or anything, that's not what I'm talking about.

00:57:01.000 I'm talking about being able to go, a human in the loop, but going, okay, we have 500 targets, and then you can program your stuff to go get them without having to have a person in the loop.

00:57:12.000 Like heat-seeking, so you can say, these are the parameters of what we target.

00:57:16.000 And so my big thing is return.

00:57:18.000 We've got 1 million people in uniform.

00:57:20.000 Active duty show up every day, right?

00:57:22.000 We have one million in the National Guard and Army Reserve.

00:57:25.000 That's one weekend a month, two weeks during the year.

00:57:28.000 And then we have about 700,000 civilians.

00:57:32.000 700,000 civilians work for the Department of Defense.

00:57:35.000 My point is we can cut a huge amount of the active duty force.

00:57:39.000 I want to go back to the citizen soldier.

00:57:41.000 That's what I want.

00:57:42.000 I want to go back to the citizen soldier who lives in his community.

00:57:46.000 And you guys were talking about social unrest and everything.

00:57:50.000 I want that community to have their soldiers next to them living there.

00:57:56.000 And we don't have that as much anymore.

00:57:58.000 So that's, that's, I want to I want to ask a question.

00:58:00.000 Someone in the super chat asked this.

00:58:02.000 Do you think that the US provoked Russia through its operations in Ukraine?

00:58:09.000 I think what provoked Russia was our failure to withdraw effectively from Afghanistan and we were so feckless and it was such, now that's not to criticize anybody that was on the ground doing the work, that's not what I'm criticizing, but the failure, that was a debacle and I think Putin looked at that and I think when they open up the Politburo archives in like 50 years and they look at their National Security Council notes, they're going to go like, Wow, Putin saw that as weakness in the United States and saw that as a green light to go after.

00:58:42.000 We saw it in Taiwan.

00:58:43.000 So why did Russia go into Ukraine?

00:58:47.000 I think I know.

00:58:47.000 I have no idea.

00:58:48.000 I think they want Sevastopol as a trade port.

00:58:51.000 When the Soviet Union broke up, they took it and they gave Black Sea access, like Mediterranean access to Ukraine.

00:58:55.000 They wanted to keep Russia from becoming a global economic hegemon. 0.75

00:58:59.000 But now he's trying to take Sevastopol on the freeways, East 97 and 105 that go down into there.

00:59:04.000 I watch the morning shows, you know, where they had all the retired generals.

00:59:08.000 They had Barry McCaffrey and Admiral Stavridis and all these people.

00:59:11.000 You used to watch that all the time.

00:59:12.000 Right, man.

00:59:13.000 And you remember last year at this time they were like, Kyiv will fall in 72 hours.

00:59:18.000 And then, of course, today they're like, oh, the freedom fighters of Ukraine.

00:59:22.000 The reason I bring this up is anybody that predicts what's going to happen over there I have no confidence.

00:59:27.000 I agree.

00:59:28.000 I think everything we've been told from everybody, you know, it's just been wrong about what the directory of the war is going to be.

00:59:34.000 Do you think it would be?

00:59:35.000 I think I think Russia obviously has its interests with Ukraine.

00:59:39.000 So it's not fair to completely blame the US operations for provoking Russia.

00:59:43.000 Russia wanted like like he was saying Sevastopol, Crimea, Donbass region, regardless of what the US was doing.

00:59:50.000 What ultimately happens is I think Vladimir Putin laments the fact that they lost Ukraine with the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:59:57.000 They want access.

00:59:58.000 They have operations in Crimea.

01:00:01.000 And then both the US and Russia are engaged in influence operations in Ukraine in an attempt to win the favor of the Ukrainian people.

01:00:08.000 But it seemed like, for the most part, the majority of the country was moving towards NATO and the EU.

01:00:14.000 Even when I went there, that's what I saw.

01:00:15.000 The people in Kiev were like, we want access to Europe.

01:00:19.000 Europe was wealth for these people.

01:00:21.000 They said if we get Schengen zone, if Ukraine becomes a part of the Schengen zone and we can freely travel and work, our standard of living is going to skyrocket.

01:00:29.000 Our wealth will skyrocket.

01:00:31.000 Russia's offer with the Federal Trade Union was not that appealing to them.

01:00:34.000 Of course, you get the ousting of Yanukovych, U.S.

01:00:37.000 involvement to whatever degree.

01:00:39.000 You've got Joe Biden, Burisma, Energy Operations competing with Russia.

01:00:44.000 Both the U.S., NATO, Russia have heavy interests.

01:00:48.000 Russia moved in because the U.S. 0.73

01:00:50.000 was winning the conflict.

01:00:51.000 There was a cold war with Ukraine before there was a hot war.

01:00:54.000 Russia turned it hot because the U.S. 0.98

01:00:56.000 Well, they annexed Crimea, which potentially could have went hot, but they didn't.

01:00:56.000 was winning it.

01:01:00.000 They just let it happen, and then because of the influence... That's the line.

01:01:04.000 The annexation of Crimea was the line between cold and hot.

01:01:07.000 They brought in military into the region.

01:01:09.000 There was not a lot of fighting, but they took that land.

01:01:11.000 Then it went hot in the Donbass region.

01:01:13.000 Donald Trump gets elected.

01:01:15.000 Everything kind of simmers a little bit down.

01:01:17.000 Do you think if we would have reacted differently to this seizure of Crimea in 2014, That this situation would be different.

01:01:28.000 Oh, in what way?

01:01:28.000 What do you mean?

01:01:29.000 Because Obama, we didn't do jack.

01:01:31.000 We let him take it.

01:01:32.000 And, you know, maybe we were too concerned about something.

01:01:35.000 I don't know.

01:01:37.000 The U.S.

01:01:37.000 should have declared a no-fly zone.

01:01:39.000 Well, so there's a couple ways I look at this.

01:01:40.000 First, my principle morals are if they cannot justify to me and the American people why we should be spending money and being involved in Ukraine, it shouldn't happen in the first place.

01:01:50.000 Strategically, Obama should have declared a no-fly zone instantly over the Donbass region and Ukraine, which Ukrainians would have supported outright, and that would have prevented Russia from aggressing in the first place because that would be a direct act of war against the United States. 0.75

01:02:04.000 When it came to their buildup on the border a year ago, before the invasion, I and many other people were like, the US strategically should have declared a no-fly zone before Russia invaded, because then Russia's move would have been an act of aggression against the US, putting them in a very difficult position.

01:02:21.000 Instead, we have a Biden who sits on his hands and does nothing, and the military apparatus around him.

01:02:26.000 Russia moves in, and now our hands are tied. 0.53

01:02:29.000 Now we're sinking money into a toilet.

01:02:31.000 And it's just, like you were saying, what, more money than Afghanistan?

01:02:34.000 Yeah, so far.

01:02:35.000 In 20 years of Afghanistan, too.

01:02:37.000 In 20 years of Vietnam, even. 0.75

01:02:38.000 Crystal Ball was talking about this.

01:02:40.000 It is a strategic nightmare.

01:02:42.000 So this is a component of why I'm like, we should not be in this conflict.

01:02:46.000 We should have nothing to do with it.

01:02:48.000 We have, I mean, Ian, we surrender Afghanistan. 0.99

01:02:52.000 It's a disaster.

01:02:53.000 You mentioned.

01:02:54.000 Putin sees this and he's like, wow, now's my opportunity.

01:02:58.000 It has been just, look man, you know, everybody knows I've been playing poker recently.

01:03:03.000 You get a bad hand, you fold. 0.99

01:03:05.000 If you don't, and the most important lesson you can learn is if you're the eighth best player in the world and you're at a table with the seven other best players in the world, you're the sucker, get out. 0.93

01:03:16.000 The US should have seen everything that was going on and been like, you know, we're really bad at this and we're going to lose. 0.94

01:03:21.000 Cut your losses, leave, we shouldn't be involved.

01:03:23.000 Chris, I want to ask you about, um, so I understand that the arguments that people make for helping out in Ukraine, frequently there's something along the lines of, well, you know, if you don't stop Putin, he's going to keep going and he's going to take, he's going to try to, to bring back the Soviet Union, et cetera.

01:03:42.000 And those arguments to me are not compelling at all.

01:03:46.000 And that's just because NATO, what's wrong with waiting?

01:03:50.000 to for NATO to actually get involved until there's an actual threat to a NATO country.

01:03:57.000 There was a reason why Ukraine is not in NATO now.

01:03:59.000 And this is literally it, if I understand correctly.

01:04:03.000 NATO didn't want Ukraine because they didn't want to directly have a conflict with Russia.

01:04:08.000 And that's what we're getting at right now.

01:04:10.000 If we if we continue to support Ukraine, at some point, there's going to be dead NATO 0.91

01:04:18.000 soldiers.

01:04:19.000 And then there's going to be people talking about Article 5.

01:04:22.000 And I don't see the off ramp at all right now.

01:04:27.000 I don't see how we avoid that because we keep we keep committing to indefinite support until

01:04:35.000 the you know, until Russia's beaten.

01:04:37.000 And we and the realistic perspective is Russia is only going to be beaten if they choose 0.90

01:04:44.000 to be because they do have nuclear weapons.

01:04:47.000 So I don't see where the off ramp is.

01:04:50.000 Peace.

01:04:51.000 Bye.

01:04:52.000 With us supporting Ukraine the way that we are.

01:04:55.000 What are your thoughts on that?

01:04:57.000 NATO, President Trump is right, can't freeload anymore.

01:05:01.000 Good on NATO.

01:05:03.000 Good on NATO for all those years after World War II, where we bankrolled their security.

01:05:10.000 Cold War's been over, what, 30 years?

01:05:12.000 Some say it never ended, just switched to China.

01:05:15.000 Oh yeah, good point.

01:05:16.000 Oh, that's a good one.

01:05:17.000 Oh, we could go someplace on that one.

01:05:19.000 Talking about the military-industrial complex.

01:05:23.000 So, the Poles, when I went over there, I was over there six, eight weeks after the war started.

01:05:31.000 The Poles went to this university, right?

01:05:34.000 And gave a lecture to some international affairs class.

01:05:37.000 It was interesting.

01:05:39.000 The leadership of the university got a sidebar with me and said, should we evacuate and set up an alternate university?

01:05:49.000 I said, why?

01:05:49.000 They're like, because we think we're going to get a nuclear weapon strikes coming in.

01:05:55.000 They were petrified.

01:05:56.000 Now your point about, you know, do you think Putin You think Putin would make a move on a NATO country?

01:06:08.000 I don't, and that's why I think... I don't think so either.

01:06:11.000 That's existential for him.

01:06:12.000 Exactly, and that's why I think that, as harsh as this is going to sound to a lot of people, we should keep our nose out of Ukraine because I don't see Putin actually making an attack on a NATO country because that isn't that's that just I don't see any benefit for for Putin to do that.

01:06:31.000 It's it to actually try to engage in a war with NATO.

01:06:36.000 If there's a lack of NATO unity, then I could see him invading Estonia or Latvia and then posing the question to the American public and Europeans.

01:06:45.000 Are you guys really willing to fight and die for Estonia?

01:06:49.000 Because that's what a lot of people in the United States would be asking.

01:06:52.000 And if you guys ask me that, I don't know how I would respond.

01:06:55.000 Do you think American soldiers should die in Estonia if Russia invades?

01:06:59.000 That's the question.

01:07:00.000 You just nailed it.

01:07:02.000 They died in Germany.

01:07:05.000 I don't know if the American public is ready to answer that question.

01:07:08.000 If Russia was willing to take that, Chris, would you? 0.71

01:07:12.000 Oh no, you guys go ahead.

01:07:14.000 You're the Secretary of Defense.

01:07:16.000 I would not die for the Estonian people at the moment.

01:07:19.000 I love you people.

01:07:19.000 Thank you.

01:07:20.000 I love you.

01:07:21.000 And I'm here for you in my own way.

01:07:23.000 I'm not shooting people for you.

01:07:25.000 But I think Putin's disincentivized of attacking NATO countries because he needs Turkey.

01:07:30.000 He doesn't.

01:07:31.000 Let's be clear. 0.99

01:07:32.000 He does not have the ass right now. 0.98

01:07:35.000 There is this great statement that I heard when we were losing in Iraq the second or third time. 0.99

01:07:43.000 I can't remember what time it was.

01:07:46.000 Great powers should never fight small wars because one of two things happens.

01:07:51.000 One is they win and they look like a complete bully and everybody gangs up against them.

01:07:56.000 Or two, they don't win and you show you're... Blood in the water.

01:08:01.000 You're feckless. 0.95

01:08:02.000 Everybody goes, wow, that's a paper tiger.

01:08:04.000 I don't think Russia, they do not have the combat capability right now to do anything.

01:08:11.000 I mean, so, why are you?

01:08:13.000 They got them nukes, though.

01:08:15.000 Oh, so, right, so I'm all about strategic defense initiative, you know, Star Wars.

01:08:22.000 We were talking technology earlier.

01:08:25.000 Dude, I think we have the ability to put that, you know, we were talking earlier about putting the bubble around?

01:08:31.000 I think we can do that, so I'm like, fine.

01:08:33.000 Strategic defense initiative.

01:08:34.000 Star Wars, remember? 0.99

01:08:35.000 Everybody made fun of Reagan, like, this guy's a complete lunatic.

01:08:39.000 The problem with defensive bubbles is things that come straight down pierce the bubble, or a better chance to pierce the bubble, like hypersonic straight down.

01:08:48.000 The real issue is Russia probably has invested in cyber warfare more than anything else.

01:08:56.000 Well, information operations too, with their pot farms and everything.

01:09:00.000 Yes, but I think the bigger issue is Russia probably has the capability of blowing up an oil refinery in a minute.

01:09:09.000 Cyber security is nigh impossible.

01:09:13.000 It's very easy to attack, it's extremely difficult to defend.

01:09:16.000 You have so many attack vectors throughout the country, You you won't even it's impossible to shore up defenses, because you don't know which of the tens of thousands of industrial plants to protect.

01:09:30.000 And you can start by trying to protect all of them, update every single one.

01:09:34.000 But even when you do, eventually someone will find a new exploit.

01:09:38.000 The military, the Russians, will every single day be trying to find a way to break through, and they will find it. 0.98

01:09:48.000 And then they can do who knows what.

01:09:49.000 What do you think, ethically, about a general armistice with the Russian army, like, in eastern Ukraine?

01:09:56.000 Because what I think is happening is they want that Black Sea port.

01:09:59.000 They want to be able to ship into the Mediterranean and sell steel to the world.

01:10:02.000 The United States, everybody.

01:10:04.000 And that means an alliance with Turkey, which means an alliance with NATO.

01:10:04.000 Everybody.

01:10:08.000 So the end goal seems very positive for everyone involved, except for the fact that the Ukrainians would have to cede the Eastern Territory, the Donbass or the Southern Donbass. 0.89

01:10:19.000 But do you think that that's a reasonable de-escalation tactic?

01:10:21.000 You're triggering me and this is where the American hypocrisy bothers me that There's this idea that somehow we can dictate terms.

01:10:28.000 The Ukrainians get to decide and the Russians get to decide. 0.96

01:10:31.000 And we can stop giving them money.

01:10:33.000 If we stop giving them money and we stop giving them stuff, they're not going to stop fighting.

01:10:33.000 And you know what?

01:10:37.000 And it's going to go old school.

01:10:38.000 They'll stop fighting when they get flattened and there's no one left to fight.

01:10:44.000 Ukrainians have shown that they, the biggest change I saw from when you were over there, right, it used to be about 50-50 split, 50% were like, let's go Russia way, 50%, let's go to the East, let's go to the West.

01:10:58.000 Leaning Western, but.

01:10:59.000 Dude, last time over there, man, the hatred, I'm sure it's like 90%.

01:11:05.000 Yeah, the Donbas and all that, they're obviously, That's trade space. 0.99

01:11:10.000 We all know that.

01:11:11.000 But my point is, we're not going to get to decide that.

01:11:13.000 The Ukrainians get to decide that. 0.93

01:11:15.000 How do wars win?

01:11:17.000 Or how do wars end?

01:11:18.000 Exhaustion.

01:11:20.000 And those two countries don't seem to be exhausted yet.

01:11:24.000 Yeah, but Ukraine is... Look, Russia's got its problems militaristically, but Ukraine's only able to do anything because of NATO support.

01:11:33.000 If we were not providing them with weapons and intelligence, they would have been flattened in a week.

01:11:38.000 I totally disagree.

01:11:40.000 The way that, and that's part of my book actually, is we talked about how we should need to fight differently.

01:11:44.000 When the Russians came down from the north to try to capture Kiev, and what did you have? 0.64

01:11:50.000 You had like babushka women out there, you know, slapping plastic explosives on freaking Russian tanks. You had little hunter-killer teams 1.00

01:12:00.000 with their pickup truck and anti-tank guns.

01:12:05.000 That's my point. They're absolutely capable of defending themselves, even if we pulled everything

01:12:13.000 It'd get a lot worse, don't get me wrong.

01:12:15.000 That's a great argument for us to pull everything out and back off, because if that's the case, then I see no reason for us to be wasting time.

01:12:24.000 What are we gaining from it?

01:12:25.000 I want to ask you that.

01:12:25.000 What do we get?

01:12:27.000 Why would we bail?

01:12:28.000 Why would we pull out when we can fix the Russian war machine in an interminable war? 0.81

01:12:35.000 What do you mean fix the Russian war machine?

01:12:37.000 They're stuck right now.

01:12:38.000 They can't do anything else.

01:12:40.000 So what do IAEA as a tax-paying American citizen gain from everything we've done in Ukraine?

01:12:47.000 Well, I kind of am a Ronald Reagan kind of conservative who believes in peace through strength, and I don't like bullies and authoritarian regimes.

01:12:56.000 And I think I get tired of the cliché about this.

01:13:00.000 What about Pakistan?

01:13:01.000 Should we get involved in the China dispute with India?

01:13:04.000 I get tired of that cliché about Munich and whatever year it was.

01:13:08.000 But, I mean, where does it end?

01:13:10.000 We have to stay in some place.

01:13:11.000 And these people are willing to fight and die.

01:13:13.000 There's not a single American troop in harm's way.

01:13:15.000 What's our dispute with Russia?

01:13:17.000 Well, they're an authoritarian totalitarian regime that has designs on conquest.

01:13:24.000 So why aren't we involved in the China dispute with, I think it's India, right?

01:13:27.000 Why aren't we involved in that dispute?

01:13:28.000 They're taking care of themselves.

01:13:30.000 So, I thought you said the Ukrainians could take care of themselves. 0.99

01:13:33.000 Yeah, they can.

01:13:33.000 So why are we there?

01:13:35.000 Why not?

01:13:36.000 All they need is some material.

01:13:38.000 But we've got U.S. 0.55

01:13:39.000 personnel on the ground.

01:13:39.000 We've got special forces operating there.

01:13:41.000 No, we don't.

01:13:41.000 Yes, we do.

01:13:42.000 Intercept.

01:13:42.000 Prove it.

01:13:43.000 I'll pull it up right now.

01:13:44.000 Special forces have been operating for a long time.

01:13:46.000 The internet is so legit.

01:13:48.000 Chris.

01:13:49.000 Chris.

01:13:50.000 This was a big story.

01:13:51.000 Come on, Chris.

01:13:52.000 Come on, you know that they're... Even if there's no evidence there, you know they're there.

01:13:56.000 I mean, you can call The Intercept fake news.

01:13:58.000 Will the Biden administration shine light on shadowy special ops programs?

01:14:01.000 Let me, uh... No, that's programs.

01:14:03.000 That's an old story.

01:14:04.000 Yeah, right.

01:14:05.000 Let me, uh... The Intercept reported this a while ago.

01:14:09.000 Let me, uh...

01:14:11.000 There's American volunteers, I'm pretty sure, but that's because they're volunteers.

01:14:14.000 They're volunteers.

01:14:16.000 I suspect there are small numbers.

01:14:19.000 Last time I was there, I'm telling you, other than at the embassy doing embassy work, there were no U.S.

01:14:27.000 special operations.

01:14:27.000 I thought there were Americans there to help them train them on the equipment we're sending.

01:14:32.000 They were in Poland.

01:14:33.000 They were military inspectors at the very least.

01:14:35.000 I agree.

01:14:36.000 I don't like bullies.

01:14:36.000 The United States bullied Iraq and Afghanistan for two decades.

01:14:40.000 I feel like now we have Iraq. 0.98

01:14:43.000 Russia's going to take eastern Ukraine. 0.78

01:14:45.000 China's going to take Taiwan. 0.89

01:14:47.000 There, every warmonger wins.

01:14:49.000 Now we're the three strongest countries on earth again.

01:14:50.000 Can we just be peaceful and calm?

01:14:54.000 Russia, by the way, Russians consider they want calm.

01:14:56.000 Americans talk about peace and peace through secret U.S.

01:15:00.000 operations inside Ukraine are being conducted under a presidential covert action finding,

01:15:04.000 current and former officials said.

01:15:05.000 The finding indicates that the president has quietly notified certain congressional leaders

01:15:09.000 about the administration's decision to conduct a broad program of clandestine operations inside

01:15:13.000 the country, one former special forces officer said. The Biden amended a pre-existing finding,

01:15:19.000 originally approved during the Obama administration, that was designed to counter malign

01:15:22.000 foreign influence activities. A former CIA officer told the intercept that Biden's use of pre-existing

01:15:27.000 finding has frustrated some intelligence officials who believe that the U.S. involvement in Ukraine

01:15:31.000 conflict differs so much from the spirit of the finding that should merit a new one, blah blah.

01:15:35.000 This is from October 2022.

01:15:40.000 This was a big deal.

01:15:41.000 Ken Klippenstein and James Risen reported this for The Intercept and it got syndicated basically everywhere.

01:15:45.000 I think the New York Times picked it up.

01:15:47.000 We have the U.S.

01:15:49.000 as active personnel in the country.

01:15:51.000 The argument is, are they engaged in direct conflict or are they doing infrastructure, logistics, and support regardless?

01:15:59.000 I have not heard an argument.

01:16:01.000 And it's not been justified to me why we're providing weapons, funding, and personnel in any capacity.

01:16:08.000 The U.S.

01:16:08.000 provided the weapons and the intelligence to the Ukrainians they used to destroy the Russian flagship in the Black Sea.

01:16:14.000 Why?

01:16:15.000 Why are we at war with Russia?

01:16:17.000 They've not given us any real reason.

01:16:19.000 I get it.

01:16:19.000 Russia's an adversary.

01:16:21.000 Obama called them a regional power.

01:16:23.000 Russia does deals with other countries.

01:16:25.000 It interferes with us in terms of the energy market that we're trying to build with Europe, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline.

01:16:32.000 So if the real reason is that we have engaged in war in Ukraine because we want cheap energy into Europe so that Europe can build up its economy as a means to counteract the growth of China, Sure, I understand that. 0.52

01:16:47.000 I don't see that as a good enough reason.

01:16:49.000 Russia is engaged in legitimate energy trade.

01:16:51.000 We are pissed off about it because we want Europe to expand and they're our allies.

01:16:55.000 So we decide to support a war against Bashar al-Assad and Russia?

01:17:01.000 It just seems like psychotic, world-ending policy, especially when you consider that Russia They're not going to roll over. 0.98

01:17:09.000 This conflict is going to get worse.

01:17:12.000 So this all... Look, I can talk about how far back this goes, but as a 36, nearly 37-year-old man... Give me a couple weeks, my birthday's coming up.

01:17:21.000 I can talk to you about the extent to which I entered this and have vast ignorance of the long-standing conflict.

01:17:27.000 But what we know is Europe has made the argument, or I should say the European Union argument is, they need a strong economic bloc because China is growing too rapidly.

01:17:35.000 They need to be able to counter that.

01:17:37.000 Russia controls a large portion of the energy flowing into Europe and charges them an arm and a leg. 0.50

01:17:42.000 The US and European organizations, institutions wanted to build a pipeline through Syria, through Turkey, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline.

01:17:50.000 Syria said no, because we're in it for Russia. 0.58

01:17:54.000 Surprise, surprise!

01:17:55.000 I'll just leave it at this.

01:17:55.000 The country destabilizes.

01:17:57.000 The U.S.

01:17:57.000 provides military support to certain rebel factions.

01:18:00.000 ISIS expands rapidly.

01:18:02.000 And then we see the conflict escalating with Ukraine, all of it surrounding energy.

01:18:07.000 You've got the Gazprom gas monopoly through Ukraine.

01:18:10.000 You've got Burisma with Joe Biden.

01:18:12.000 All of these things centered around getting cheap energy to allow European expansion.

01:18:17.000 Thus, it ultimately comes down to, in my opinion, there is a great global conflict.

01:18:21.000 The Cold War turns into something else.

01:18:21.000 It's never ended.

01:18:23.000 But if the argument is, Europe needs cheap energy, so we are going to go fight in Ukraine to cause problems to Russia, so that as the war expands, if Russia does team up with China, they'll be substantially weakened, I'm like, oh, you're basically saying World War III is coming, we want it, we're involved in it, we're not going to back down. 0.53

01:18:38.000 Okay, not a good enough reason for me, I gotta be honest.

01:18:42.000 I'm being told either, trust me when I spend all of your money, more than we've spent anywhere else, on this war in Ukraine, and it will probably lead to World War III.

01:18:52.000 I'm being told that's the path we're going to take, and I'm not going to give you a legitimate justification for why we're doing it.

01:18:58.000 My attitude is just, okay, well then I'm going to advocate against it every step of the way, because if you can't justify it, the American people should not be giving you support for it.

01:19:06.000 I think that if it's this old British Empire tactic of keeping the Germans and Russians separate, if the Germans and Russians create an alliance, you have like a European-Asian superpower in China, Russia, India, Germany. 0.98

01:19:19.000 Then, after 20 years, the United States is the bitch of the realm. 0.98

01:19:23.000 And we lost the war through ineptitude and inactivity. 0.99

01:19:26.000 Whereas right now, they're trying to prevent this Hitler's invasion of Poland all over again.

01:19:30.000 They're like, we're getting in early.

01:19:31.000 We're not going to let him take France.

01:19:33.000 That's a tough question.

01:19:35.000 The question being, should the U.S.

01:19:37.000 dominate the world?

01:19:40.000 Should they, Elad?

01:19:41.000 Well, I think it's a cheap price for Putin's foot soldiers, and China has no limit, I think, no limit to their relationship with Russia.

01:19:49.000 People are right in saying that it's a proxy war, but it's not a proxy war between the United States and Russia.

01:19:54.000 It's a proxy war between the United States and China.

01:19:57.000 Chris, what do you think?

01:19:59.000 Wow, you just always bring it back in.

01:20:02.000 I'm telling you, this guy's doing the real interview.

01:20:04.000 And the mustache is nice looking.

01:20:06.000 I think the Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank right now, and I know this week the whole story is like, the Chinese and the Russians are combining, which is horrifying, yes, but 2,500 mile border between Russia and China, China I think is probably going I love the fact that the entire Russian army is committed and stuck in Ukraine because last time I checked, you guys are experts on this, the Chinese have lots of problems with natural resources which all are just north of there. 0.92

01:20:40.000 I gotta think they're just sitting there going, oh we're taking the long view, we love the fact that the Russians are getting bled. 0.61

01:20:47.000 It's horrifying if you're a Russian soldier or mercenary.

01:20:50.000 Holy cow, you drew a bad lot on that one.

01:20:54.000 But I think the Chinese are just absolutely like, we couldn't have asked for a better setup. 1.00

01:20:59.000 We've got everybody focused over here and we can just continue to do what we need to do.

01:21:04.000 And they'll likely, I think, move into Taiwan at some point soon.

01:21:06.000 I think that balloon is a literal trial balloon.

01:21:10.000 The way I describe it is, when you're robbing a liquor store, you don't care that the gun you have is illegal because you're committing a worse crime.

01:21:16.000 China, I think, is getting ready for action in Taiwan, so they don't care if we're pissed about a balloon.

01:21:21.000 They're preparing for something much worse.

01:21:22.000 You think they can take Taiwan? 0.93

01:21:26.000 They absolutely could take Taiwan.

01:21:27.000 The question is, what losses are they willing to sustain in doing so?

01:21:30.000 Yeah, and what would Taiwan look like afterwards?

01:21:32.000 Would it even be there?

01:21:33.000 I think they get ashore and then they get stuck.

01:21:34.000 Chris, let me follow up and ask you.

01:21:36.000 So you were acting Secretary of Defense during a time that was going to transition, which is supposedly the most militaristically vulnerable time for a nation.

01:21:48.000 During the Trump administration, we were still under the strategic ambiguity on whether or not we would defend Taiwan. 0.73

01:21:54.000 But Joe Biden, some people are calling him a blabbering idiot when he says this, but he takes away strategic ambiguity because he says that we will defend Taiwan.

01:22:03.000 Could you give us some insights on what was happening under the Trump administration, how we would have reacted to China trying to invade Taiwan, and what do you think about Joe Biden saying now that we would defend Taiwan? 0.98

01:22:16.000 Well, remember the international school of of international affairs has this thing called the madman

01:22:23.000 theory.

01:22:24.000 You know, they said Nixon was like, he was playing the madman, like he's unstable.

01:22:29.000 Well, that's actually a valid concept for how to deal with foreign adversaries.

01:22:35.000 And of course, many people in the world thought Trump was using the same thing.

01:22:40.000 He was using that madman theory.

01:22:43.000 So everybody asks, what would have happened?

01:22:47.000 I don't think they would have taken a car.

01:22:49.000 You tried that balloon.

01:22:50.000 That was a probe of our defenses.

01:22:52.000 you 110 percent. Pure and simple. And I don't think the thing with the Biden, you said it's strategic

01:22:52.000 I'm with you 110%.

01:23:01.000 It's actually more muddled now.

01:23:03.000 Because you have the President of the United States says that we're going to defend Taiwan.

01:23:06.000 And then you have the Secretary of State says, oh, whoa, no change in policy.

01:23:11.000 And then the Secretary of Defense says the same thing.

01:23:13.000 So I think that the Chinese are like, we don't know what the hell's going on. 1.00

01:23:17.000 It came from the President's mouth, though.

01:23:18.000 He said it three times.

01:23:19.000 He was in office for longer than I've been alive.

01:23:21.000 I think he knows.

01:23:24.000 Am I naive to take him at his word when he says that we would defend Taiwan?

01:23:28.000 Do you not think China's taking him at his word?

01:23:31.000 I don't, I don't know.

01:23:32.000 I don't think we have enough insight into what's going on in China to tell you the truth.

01:23:37.000 I was just, my point was, They could get ashore, but I cannot imagine a scenario where the Chinese take a crack at Taiwan. 0.86

01:23:49.000 Is Taiwan just massively defended, just entrenched tunnels?

01:23:53.000 No, it's just the terrain is so rough.

01:23:55.000 There are only three beaches they can land on, and then they can get ashore.

01:23:58.000 They can get ashore, I'm with you, but then what do you do?

01:24:01.000 It's a big island.

01:24:01.000 Yeah.

01:24:03.000 It's a big piece of land.

01:24:05.000 But China could take it, but it would be very, very expensive.

01:24:11.000 In terms of lives and resources.

01:24:11.000 And you don't want to destroy it.

01:24:13.000 And right.

01:24:13.000 And destroying it.

01:24:14.000 What's the point of taking something that turns into a smoldering rock?

01:24:17.000 They want its resources.

01:24:18.000 They want its IP.

01:24:19.000 They want the chip manufacturing.

01:24:20.000 You don't think it's just because they're like, this is part of China and we don't care if it- Partly. 0.81

01:24:25.000 I think there's a lot of ideology in there because that's where the- That's real China. 0.80

01:24:31.000 Yeah, well, that's where the capitalist, that's where they escaped to when the CCP took over.

01:24:38.000 Yeah, during the Boxer Rebellion.

01:24:40.000 Well, this is back in the late 1800s, the Boxer Rebellion.

01:24:42.000 I mean, that's where the drug, they pushed them all the way to the east.

01:24:44.000 No, no, no, he's talking about the Cultural Revolution and all that.

01:24:47.000 The Republic of China fled to Taiwan and stayed there.

01:24:51.000 Shanghai Shack, right?

01:24:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:53.000 And it was actually, I'm pretty sure that, was it the U.N.?

01:24:57.000 Foreign governments, I think the U.S.

01:24:58.000 recognized Taiwan as the real government of China up until a certain point, I think, I remember it was 70-something, Nixon?

01:25:04.000 Yeah, Nixon went over there with Kissinger and they cut a deal to end that.

01:25:11.000 Yeah, like China is now the province and we cut diplomatic relations and all that stuff with them.

01:25:17.000 Awful.

01:25:18.000 It was before that, it was the British were attempting to colonize China, and they pushed them off the continent and just onto the islands.

01:25:25.000 But remember, the reason the Nixon administration cut the deal is we needed to get out of Vietnam.

01:25:25.000 That was at the end of the 1800s.

01:25:31.000 So there was a quid pro quo, and they also were like, the Soviets, we've got to counter them. 0.99

01:25:37.000 I'm not familiar with that story about China.

01:25:42.000 That's why Nixon went to China.

01:25:43.000 I have to look into that.

01:25:44.000 I think we should just start behaving as though World War III has already ended and then get a homestead, get some goats and chickens.

01:25:53.000 That's why I think about alliance with Russia, not in the sense of a military alliance against someone.

01:25:58.000 I'm saying that wars can end and immediately go back to normalcy, like a white peace can be declared and economics are immediately struck back up, infrastructures rebuilt, people, they speak the same language, you know, like the Russians and Ukrainians are basically the same people. 0.54

01:26:10.000 It's like Canadians and Americans.

01:26:12.000 We're all like, it'd be crazy for us to be at odds.

01:26:14.000 I mean, they speak a different language.

01:26:16.000 Ukrainian and Russian are not the same language.

01:26:18.000 Okay.

01:26:19.000 The Slavic languages have an overlap, right?

01:26:23.000 Cyrillic alphabet, they have the same alphabet.

01:26:25.000 Romance languages can somewhat understand each other, you know, their Latin root or whatever.

01:26:30.000 So Eastern European languages have a similar root.

01:26:33.000 But I could certainly see the conflict ending and then it's, within a day, back to normal.

01:26:38.000 Like, people do not want to kill each other.

01:26:40.000 It's not like a desire, a deep human desire.

01:26:42.000 Yeah, they mostly don't.

01:26:43.000 They mostly don't.

01:26:44.000 The psychological trauma soldiers develop from having to kill other people.

01:26:49.000 Like the story from Vietnam that the troops were shooting over the heads of the Viet Cong because they really just, people don't want to kill each other.

01:26:56.000 It's a sad reality of war, man.

01:26:58.000 There's truth to that, but there's also the fact that atrocities that happen to POWs and stuff like that, they happen for a reason.

01:27:07.000 And that's because the people that do the capturing just lost their buddies or whatever

01:27:15.000 to the guys they just captured.

01:27:16.000 When you're standing there looking at a guy that is on the opposing side and you've got him,

01:27:22.000 they surrender or whatever, and your platoon was decimated.

01:27:28.000 So one out of 10 dudes is gone.

01:27:30.000 You lost four or five guys or whatever in the past week.

01:27:33.000 And one of them was your friend and whatever.

01:27:36.000 And you've got those dudes in your power.

01:27:41.000 People get real evil real quick.

01:27:44.000 That was that My Lai Massacre in Vietnam is an example of that.

01:27:47.000 I think they killed 200 civilians.

01:27:49.000 They went in with helicopter gunships, and there was a captain that issued the order, we're just going to torch and kill everyone here, and they murdered And no one got any kind of jail time for it.

01:27:59.000 The one guy, the captain got in trouble but then was pardoned by Nixon.

01:28:02.000 Cali.

01:28:03.000 Cali was his name?

01:28:04.000 He was a lieutenant.

01:28:05.000 Lieutenant!

01:28:06.000 Captain Medina.

01:28:07.000 You know, we learned this, that's educated and trained into every single soldier that goes into the army.

01:28:14.000 You learn about that, about ethical reasoning and how this is what happens when you lose control.

01:28:21.000 We talked about accountability and leadership.

01:28:23.000 That's why leadership is so critical.

01:28:25.000 Hey, I'll tell you what, you're pretty amped when you come off the objective and you've taken some casualties and you grab a hold of your targets.

01:28:34.000 Yeah, it gets pretty amped, but we take that pretty seriously.

01:28:38.000 Sometimes things go wrong, but man, we teach that.

01:28:44.000 It's the lieutenant that gave the order?

01:28:45.000 That's Cali as the lieutenant?

01:28:46.000 Yeah.

01:28:47.000 And he's the one that got put on, what, a death sentence and then commuted the sentence?

01:28:50.000 Yeah.

01:28:51.000 And then the captain was... Life in prison or something.

01:28:53.000 They commuted it.

01:28:54.000 Medina.

01:28:55.000 Because remember, ultimately, if you're a commander, if you're a boss, you're responsible for everything that does and doesn't happen.

01:29:02.000 There were generals and there were colonels involved that did not do the right thing.

01:29:06.000 When they identified that there had been a massacre, they did the cover-up.

01:29:09.000 So it just got really...

01:29:13.000 War's ugly for a lot of reasons, and that's one of them. 0.78

01:29:16.000 I mean, taking prisoners can be really, really, really rough.

01:29:22.000 Friendly fire, too, is not talked about enough.

01:29:24.000 It's like 35% of casualties are friendly fire.

01:29:27.000 It's rough.

01:29:28.000 I don't know the real numbers, but that's what I've heard.

01:29:29.000 Dude, and I think it was a guy in a helicopter, it was like a gunship pilot.

01:29:32.000 He sat down.

01:29:33.000 Yeah, and pointed the guns at the Americans.

01:29:35.000 It was like, you are not going to kill these people.

01:29:37.000 Do you realize he's passed now?

01:29:40.000 He received, like 30 years after that, because he was ostracized for not being a team player, that helicopter pilot.

01:29:47.000 He was finally awarded for his heroism.

01:29:49.000 That's like, that's moral courage, right?

01:29:52.000 And he finally was awarded towards the end of his life.

01:29:54.000 This happened in the 2000s.

01:29:58.000 But, you know, geez, yeah, it's tragic.

01:30:01.000 But Vietnam is... I'm fortunate to have grown up with a dad that was in the Navy to avoid getting into the jungle. 1.00

01:30:08.000 His cousin, I think it was his cousin, got shot down in a helicopter.

01:30:11.000 Just horror stories, you know?

01:30:13.000 And parents with no legs of my friends that had been in the jungle.

01:30:19.000 It's really people should educate themselves on Vietnam and listen to stories of Vietnam veterans that there's videos of them on the internet telling for an hour talking about either they were captured, what it was like to be in a foxhole in the dark for two weeks.

01:30:34.000 What's your favorite movie?

01:30:35.000 My favorite movie of all time?

01:30:37.000 No, Vietnam movie.

01:30:39.000 Come on, Apocalypse Now has to hold up.

01:30:41.000 It's good it's slow, though.

01:30:42.000 I know.

01:30:43.000 Do you think you could make Apocalypse Now?

01:30:45.000 Because I think the audience would be like, this is so boring.

01:30:50.000 Well, the acting was amazing.

01:30:51.000 Do all of those movies have Fortunate Son in them?

01:30:55.000 Yeah, they have to.

01:30:56.000 Forrest Gump?

01:30:57.000 Is that one?

01:30:58.000 I love Forrest Gump.

01:30:59.000 Forrest Gump's great.

01:31:00.000 What about Platoon?

01:31:01.000 Does that have Fortunate Son in it?

01:31:02.000 Forrest Gump?

01:31:03.000 I think so.

01:31:04.000 That's the one.

01:31:04.000 Family Guy made the joke where Quagmire was talking about being in Vietnam and he was like, you know, it was horrible.

01:31:11.000 The temperature.

01:31:12.000 The people, the conflict, Fortunate Son playing non-stop, and then it shows them on a boat and it's playing Fortunate Son.

01:31:17.000 The smell, a lot of the soldiers will say one of the biggest things is when you land, you get off the thing, it's 104 degrees and it smells.

01:31:23.000 It just stinks.

01:31:25.000 They used to say that about the Japanese islands in World War II, just because of the heat, and they just sit there. 1.00

01:31:31.000 No one's cleaning these bodies up, especially not during World War II.

01:31:34.000 What other, there's Platoon, Apocalypse Now, what else?

01:31:37.000 What else we got?

01:31:38.000 Go Tell it to the Spartans.

01:31:39.000 Full Metal Jacket.

01:31:41.000 Right, that's the one I was thinking of next.

01:31:42.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:31:42.000 Full Metal is, that holds up. 0.87

01:31:43.000 That's got Fortunate Son in it too, I'm pretty sure, right?

01:31:46.000 I think it does.

01:31:47.000 I'm sure you're right.

01:31:48.000 Creed's Clearwater Revival.

01:31:50.000 You do that at your shows?

01:31:51.000 No.

01:31:52.000 You could do like a thrash version of that.

01:31:55.000 That would be awesome.

01:31:55.000 You could do that song as a metal song.

01:31:59.000 I mean, we did Garth Brooks, so.

01:32:01.000 What did you do for Garth Brooks?

01:32:02.000 The Thunder Rolls.

01:32:04.000 I gotta hear that.

01:32:05.000 Came out great.

01:32:06.000 I got a gold record out of it.

01:32:07.000 It was nice.

01:32:07.000 Oh, wow.

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01:33:00.000 Let's read those superchats!

01:33:01.000 Sir Elliot says, buck buck!

01:33:03.000 For those that are fans of Chicken City, um, we've got a bully in the Chicken City.

01:33:08.000 And Kim had to treat several of the chickens today, including Roberto Jr., who was, uh, his leg was bleeding or something.

01:33:15.000 And Margaret had blood on her, and then she had to clean it and tend to them. 1.00

01:33:18.000 A mystery!

01:33:20.000 Has the culprit been?

01:33:21.000 People think they know.

01:33:24.000 There's a camera on it all the time.

01:33:25.000 We know which chicken is doing it.

01:33:27.000 We just need to watch the footage.

01:33:29.000 And then I guess that chicken's going to get sent to chicken jail or something. 0.63

01:33:33.000 Deservably.

01:33:34.000 Alright, Sideways2013 says, avid VTuber fan.

01:33:37.000 Just correcting from earlier, most are mid-20s range women trying to keep their identity obscured and just want to be cute anime girls. 1.00

01:33:43.000 What's VTube?

01:33:45.000 It's a Twitch streamer who has an anime character that moves and talks.

01:33:49.000 Yeah.

01:33:51.000 All right.

01:33:51.000 Oh, here, We Are Soldiers.

01:33:52.000 That's another one?

01:33:53.000 I haven't seen that.

01:33:54.000 Oh, best!

01:33:55.000 Best movie.

01:33:56.000 Yeah.

01:33:57.000 Pat Dry says, I'd like to make sure Ian knows his Art of the Raw Deal performance was pure gold.

01:34:02.000 I've watched it so many times and still laugh.

01:34:04.000 Love you, Ian.

01:34:05.000 Oh, thanks, man.

01:34:05.000 If you haven't seen it, it's on youtube.com slash castcastle.

01:34:09.000 And it's Ian, the host of the show, Rian with Ian.

01:34:12.000 Who secretly recorded Roberto Jr., was it?

01:34:15.000 Yeah.

01:34:15.000 On the phone because of the contract he was offered.

01:34:18.000 Offered him 50 million chip coins.

01:34:19.000 Kellan's in it as well.

01:34:20.000 Plays a lot of producer.

01:34:21.000 That's right, yeah.

01:34:22.000 Check it out, Cass Castle.

01:34:24.000 All right, where we at?

01:34:26.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:34:27.000 says, Tim, that was excellent today.

01:34:29.000 Everyone agrees.

01:34:29.000 The bestest new culture war show.

01:34:31.000 Ali's story and future activism will be important.

01:34:34.000 Who came up with acceptance turns into requirement?

01:34:36.000 I dig.

01:34:37.000 That is just something I said.

01:34:39.000 I said tolerance becomes acceptance and acceptance turns into requirement.

01:34:43.000 Like how luxuries like cell phones at some point turned into a requirement.

01:34:48.000 But yes, Ali London's story's crazy.

01:34:50.000 He was trans-Korean, a transgender Korean woman.

01:34:54.000 He's a British male.

01:34:55.000 Who was living in this world of all of this identity stuff.

01:34:59.000 And so he started getting surgery to be a Korean person because he wanted to be Korean. 0.72

01:35:04.000 He wanted to look like a K-pop star.

01:35:05.000 And then ultimately decided, he said this, he said, I'm still not happy after getting all the surgery.

01:35:10.000 Maybe it is transgender. 0.98

01:35:12.000 That's the answer.

01:35:13.000 Started doing facial feminization and moving in that direction and then finally had a realization.

01:35:18.000 He said, how much more surgery do I have to get and when does this stop?

01:35:22.000 And then stopped and started reflecting on his life.

01:35:25.000 And then he realized it had to come from within and this wasn't making him happy.

01:35:29.000 It was only making things worse.

01:35:31.000 And then he did a complete 180 and now he's detransitioned.

01:35:33.000 He's writing a book about it saying people need to find themselves and not look for validation from others.

01:35:38.000 Really interesting conversation.

01:35:39.000 It's like two hours long.

01:35:40.000 Check it out.

01:35:41.000 YouTube.com slash Timcast, or I think it's on Apple and Spotify, The Culture War Podcast with Tim Pool.

01:35:46.000 It must have been pretty motivating.

01:35:47.000 I'll watch it, but that must, like, he went through that whole process and ended up with, like, you gotta be yourself.

01:35:53.000 Yeah.

01:35:53.000 And don't try to be something that someone else wants you to be.

01:35:57.000 Is that kind of what you're saying?

01:35:58.000 And he said he regrets that it took, he got all of this surgery done that altered himself before he finally realized it.

01:36:05.000 Well, ease your regrets, man, because that story's going to help a lot of people and probably keep people from having to go through what you went through.

01:36:11.000 And the funny thing is, I was like, when you were doing this trans Korean stuff, where, like, conservatives attacking you and threatening you, I was like, no.

01:36:18.000 And I was like, you didn't get people insulting you?

01:36:19.000 And he's like, not really.

01:36:21.000 And then I'm like, when you detransitioned?

01:36:23.000 Oh, the left sending death threats and hate.

01:36:25.000 They're trying to get him banned.

01:36:26.000 He's been canceled from shows.

01:36:28.000 They're just trying to destroy his life in Korea. 1.00

01:36:30.000 And I'm like, oh, I'm not surprised.

01:36:32.000 It's crazy, but uh, youtube.com slash Tim cats if you wanna watch it. I do think it was it was

01:36:35.000 I I had a fun time talking to him. All right, let's see what we got here

01:36:39.000 Sweet beat says can this recent crazy weather be a type of intentional malicious weather warfare?

01:36:44.000 When you were the acting secretary of defense did you get briefed on any kind of weather weapons that may exist? Yeah

01:36:52.000 If only.

01:36:53.000 Biggest regret, Tim.

01:36:55.000 You know, they brief you on, like, nuclear war and terrorism stuff.

01:37:00.000 I should have got the weather brief and I should have got UFOs.

01:37:04.000 And I missed them both.

01:37:05.000 Big fail on my part.

01:37:07.000 You know, we do have weather.

01:37:10.000 We have the ability to control the weather.

01:37:11.000 We screwed it up.

01:37:12.000 We did it in Vietnam.

01:37:14.000 What did they do?

01:37:15.000 Seed the clouds.

01:37:17.000 Silver iodide?

01:37:18.000 To make it rain?

01:37:19.000 Yeah, we were going in, they were doing that in North Vietnam to flood the rivers.

01:37:23.000 The problem was there was a POW camp called SONTAY, S-O-N-T-A-Y, that we did the most bold commando raid in like the history of the world.

01:37:33.000 They flew up in there and they landed and the The prisoner war camp was on this river that had, due to the fact that we were messing with the weather, the river overflowed, so they moved the prisoners a couple days prior, and wow.

01:37:48.000 It's silver iodide.

01:37:50.000 Silver iodide.

01:37:50.000 That's the rain-making chemical.

01:37:53.000 It's crystallized silver iodide, and it causes water particles to start condensing.

01:37:57.000 But they also have, in the past, probably longer than a decade, but a decade ago or so it was reported, Germany was using infrared lasers I was wondering about that.

01:38:06.000 To create lightning?

01:38:07.000 No, to create rain.

01:38:09.000 I think you can make lightning out of it.

01:38:12.000 Would it heat the water molecules or something?

01:38:15.000 Something like that.

01:38:16.000 I don't know.

01:38:17.000 They found a way to condense.

01:38:18.000 Makes sense.

01:38:20.000 They're doing it in Dubai, too.

01:38:21.000 They do?

01:38:21.000 In Dubai?

01:38:26.000 Yeah, they're like drones. 0.95

01:38:27.000 I think that's what you're talking about, Ian, with like, they're using heat or electricity of some kind.

01:38:31.000 I heard it was silver iodide, but it could be newer tech as well.

01:38:35.000 Yeah, that was pretty recent.

01:38:36.000 Rath says, Tim, if you start a new channel for your poker podcast idea, you should name it The Pool Table for all your tabletop needs.

01:38:42.000 I think we wanted it, we're going to call it Poker with the Boys.

01:38:45.000 What do you guys think?

01:38:45.000 I don't know.

01:38:46.000 So it wasn't my idea.

01:38:47.000 Someone else suggested that we do a Sunday night hangout livestream where we just get a bunch of dudes who play poker and then it's mostly just a conversation hangout with poker as a backdrop.

01:38:58.000 And I was talking to Clint from Liberty Lockdown.

01:39:00.000 He was actually a pro poker player.

01:39:01.000 And I was like, I certainly wouldn't be the guy for it.

01:39:03.000 It's got to be him or someone.

01:39:05.000 But then we would all hang out and it would just be fun because we'd have conversations similar to this, but it would be sillier.

01:39:10.000 There'd be booze and chips and whatever.

01:39:12.000 And people are having nachos and getting drunk.

01:39:14.000 And then, you know, call in bluffs or whatever.

01:39:16.000 I think it'd be a fun show.

01:39:19.000 Someone else pointed that out to me.

01:39:20.000 I can't remember.

01:39:20.000 It might have been Matt Brainerd, maybe.

01:39:22.000 I'm not sure.

01:39:22.000 Hey, speaking of controlling the weather, I saw this article.

01:39:25.000 High-powered lasers can be used to steer lightning strikes.

01:39:28.000 Whoa.

01:39:29.000 Do you know what a laser-induced plasma channel is?

01:39:32.000 Yes, an electro-laser.

01:39:33.000 That is a high-powered, what is it, plasmatic hydrogen just focused in a beam.

01:39:37.000 They use infrared lasers to ionize the air, creating a path for electricity to travel down.

01:39:44.000 So the energized, or whatever, particles in the air, the electricity can travel through it, so it creates a path of least resistance.

01:39:51.000 And you can look this up, it was, what is it called?

01:39:54.000 Picatinny or whatever?

01:39:55.000 Picadilly?

01:39:56.000 I don't know.

01:39:56.000 Some Air Force base, which one is it?

01:39:58.000 They were experimenting with laser-induced plasma channel weapons.

01:40:02.000 The idea was- Picatinny.

01:40:03.000 Picatinny.

01:40:04.000 Isn't it?

01:40:04.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:40:05.000 You mount a gigantic machine that fires an infrared laser for a split second, And then the electrode is charged already.

01:40:15.000 So as soon as the laser fires, the electricity travels straight down the path and hits whatever.

01:40:20.000 So they were like shooting cars with bolts of lightning.

01:40:23.000 And ultimately they were like, it's cumbersome, inconvenient and energy exhaustive.

01:40:28.000 There's no reason to do it.

01:40:29.000 But it's awesome.

01:40:30.000 But it's so cool.

01:40:31.000 It's like shooting.

01:40:32.000 Imagine if you had like a backpack with a battery and you could pull a trigger and blast lightning at somebody.

01:40:36.000 I'm seeing Ghostbusters right now as soon as you said that with the thing in the back.

01:40:40.000 Was I the only one?

01:40:41.000 Nuts.

01:40:41.000 I was thinking of those robodogs.

01:40:43.000 Shooting at a bunch of different directions at once.

01:40:45.000 You can look up videos on YouTube.

01:40:47.000 They're small versions.

01:40:49.000 One is a guy put it in his door, creating a quote-unquote force field, where you can see the arcs of lightning going, you know, all over where the laser-induced plasma channel is happening.

01:41:00.000 What's the difference between that and like a railgun?

01:41:01.000 Is that like similar?

01:41:02.000 Railguns use an electromagnetic in sequence to project a piece of metal.

01:41:07.000 Oh, okay.

01:41:07.000 Yeah.

01:41:08.000 Railguns are crazy. 1.00

01:41:10.000 Yeah.

01:41:11.000 Full auto rail gun, it's like an electromagnetic pulse.

01:41:15.000 I want to launch spacecraft with rail on rail gun type.

01:41:18.000 Actually, I was reading about that, and ultimately I think they decided for space package delivery, they're going to use high speed centrifuges.

01:41:27.000 That's smart.

01:41:28.000 There was a discussion, I was reading about how they did want to use rail guns, use an electromagnetic rail gun to do it, and then they ultimately decided just to swing it.

01:41:36.000 Have you seen any videos on that?

01:41:38.000 They're videos.

01:41:38.000 They're doing it?

01:41:39.000 Yeah, they're doing it.

01:41:40.000 There's a company doing it.

01:41:41.000 I forgot the name of it.

01:41:42.000 It's legit.

01:41:43.000 Spinning it so fast and then just sending it down a tube, launching it into space.

01:41:48.000 I'll send you.

01:41:49.000 Here it is.

01:41:50.000 You found it?

01:41:51.000 This startup wants to throw satellites into orbit with a giant centrifuge.

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:55.000 Spin Launch is the name of the company.

01:41:57.000 Way less energy required.

01:41:59.000 You don't need all that fuel.

01:42:01.000 And it goes supersonic, so that's the one thing.

01:42:05.000 They have to do this in the middle of the desert because you get a sonic boom coming out.

01:42:08.000 Wow.

01:42:08.000 Is that crazy?

01:42:09.000 Yeah.

01:42:10.000 Man, imagine working there.

01:42:11.000 I imagine that something like this would be...

01:42:18.000 would be at a spaceport, right?

01:42:19.000 I think that's where they want to put it, like down in Arizona or something.

01:42:22.000 Yeah, put it, like, I mean, because rockets are, you know, the sound of rockets, like, you have to be really far away because they're massive and blah, blah, blah.

01:42:31.000 So I imagine if you have to worry about, you know, the sound levels, a spaceport would make sense for this stuff to be, you know?

01:42:40.000 I can't believe that I'm talking about spaceports.

01:42:41.000 Let's read some more.

01:42:43.000 You got a song out of that.

01:42:45.000 I know you're thinking about it.

01:42:46.000 Martin Small says, Chris, it's great to see you on IRL.

01:42:49.000 You were the best leader I had in my 21-year career.

01:42:51.000 Strength and honor.

01:42:53.000 Holy cow, that's humbling.

01:42:55.000 That's when I start getting weepy, man.

01:42:57.000 What was your role?

01:43:00.000 Commander.

01:43:01.000 What particular rank and command?

01:43:04.000 Cap, Special Forces Green Beret.

01:43:07.000 So what was that came at?

01:43:11.000 Yeah, that's what I did.

01:43:12.000 I was just Green Beret captain, major.

01:43:15.000 You start, you have 12 men, and then you go to 60, and then you go to 400, and then I got out.

01:43:23.000 Would you spend time in the field for weeks at a time?

01:43:25.000 Yeah, man, that's it, baby.

01:43:27.000 That's it.

01:43:28.000 We got Angela Richter in the member chat saying, ha, I live a few miles from SpaceX, and my house is being shaken apart as I watch this.

01:43:35.000 Oh no!

01:43:36.000 That's so cool!

01:43:38.000 I hope your house stays together, but man, what a way to lose the property.

01:43:42.000 And anyways.

01:43:43.000 Has anybody gone down and seen a space launch down there?

01:43:47.000 I'm desperate to do that.

01:43:49.000 That's bucket list.

01:43:50.000 Yeah.

01:43:50.000 You know what I really want?

01:43:51.000 I want to be flying.

01:43:53.000 I saw a video of this and I want to be in person, be flying through the air in an airplane when I'm watching a rocket launch or better, the boosters land.

01:44:04.000 That would be super cool.

01:44:06.000 Be in an airplane and watch boosters land.

01:44:08.000 That would be super awesome.

01:44:09.000 All right.

01:44:10.000 The Fizz says, I'm a board member for a nonprofit for disaster response.

01:44:13.000 I know you guys are particular with sponsorships and shout outs.

01:44:16.000 Where can you send you guys and where can I send you guys an email about our organization to see if we could work together?

01:44:22.000 I think on this YouTube channel in the about section, there should be an email address for sponsorships, but we are very particular.

01:44:28.000 I just I prefer to keep sponsorships to a to a very to a very, very minimum.

01:44:34.000 I mean, look, all of these companies, they come to me and they want to sign us for some reason or another.

01:44:39.000 And the fine print in the contracts is always, if you read six ads per episode, you'll make $50 million a year.

01:44:45.000 And I'm like, I don't want to read six ads per episode.

01:44:47.000 I'd rather just not have that.

01:44:49.000 Although part of me is kind of like, man, what could you do with all that money?

01:44:52.000 You could hire a bunch of people, you could build a bunch of stuff, but I just, I can't do it.

01:44:56.000 I'm not going to do it.

01:44:57.000 You could hire someone, the micromachines man, Speaker, the guy that talks really fast, and have him do the reads.

01:45:03.000 I mean, I could talk pretty fast if I had to, but, you know, that's a really interesting thought, Phil.

01:45:07.000 Before we finish that, why don't you guys head over to TimCast.com and become a member.

01:45:12.000 Now, I'm not a fan of podcasts that do that.

01:45:15.000 It's kind of off-putting.

01:45:16.000 You're watching an interview, and there's some guy saying, like, When I was there, the killing fields, the children that I saw, That's really interesting.

01:45:25.000 Before we move on, head over to LargeDiapers.com, a sponsor for today's show, and you'll get 20% off, and I'm just like... Well, then you always have to enter the code, right?

01:45:33.000 There's always some special code?

01:45:35.000 That's so they know if the ad's working.

01:45:37.000 Is that how they do it?

01:45:39.000 Yeah, so the reason ads are always like, you'll get 10% off if you use promo code TIM.

01:45:44.000 It's actually so that they can look in their internals and be like, hey look, we got a thousand new customers who use TIM, the TIM ads are working.

01:45:51.000 Buy more of them.

01:45:52.000 So you're not going to do it?

01:45:54.000 We do some ads sometimes.

01:45:56.000 YouTube has programmatic ads, but for the most part, I think memberships at TimCast.com are the principal way to run the business.

01:46:03.000 It's kind of like, I would rather have customers as opposed to, like, if you're doing sponsorships, the sponsors are your customers, and your customers expect a good product.

01:46:15.000 And then you end up with, I don't like that you said that thing about that stuff.

01:46:19.000 And you're like, well, I'm going to keep saying it.

01:46:21.000 Well, I'm not going to be a customer of yours.

01:46:23.000 And if you rely on that, then you're beholden to companies that want to sell diapers or whatever, as opposed to the people who watch your show.

01:46:30.000 If you do it as memberships, then we're beholden to the people who are paying our memberships and not corporations who sell products.

01:46:37.000 Not that I have a problem with that.

01:46:38.000 I mean, if you're a corporation that sells products, we have some sponsors.

01:46:40.000 Ultimately, I decided, we'll sponsor ourselves.

01:46:43.000 So we're launching a coffee brand, and we're probably going to do some kind of supplements or something, and then just basically be our own sponsors.

01:46:50.000 So that way, we can't cancel ourselves, and we are still more beholden to our audience, who are our customers.

01:46:56.000 It's like social media.

01:46:57.000 You're not the customer for Twitter, you're the product.

01:47:00.000 The customer is the advertiser.

01:47:01.000 Yeah, I don't want to run a business like that.

01:47:03.000 I'd rather have the people listening to the show be the customers that we're accountable to and not... That's great.

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:09.000 I'm motivated.

01:47:10.000 What's the name of the coffee?

01:47:11.000 Can you tell us yet?

01:47:12.000 Not yet.

01:47:13.000 It's delayed, but I think it should be done in a couple weeks.

01:47:16.000 It was supposed to be like December.

01:47:17.000 We call the company and they're like, we can have everything ready in a week.

01:47:20.000 And I'm like, awesome.

01:47:21.000 And they're like, yep, six weeks.

01:47:22.000 And I was like, okay.

01:47:24.000 Supply chain, man.

01:47:25.000 It's a very long week.

01:47:25.000 That's true.

01:47:26.000 And we've got like 80% of the new studio done, but there's no internet because I think it's Comcast.

01:47:33.000 They're like, we don't have the materials to build.

01:47:35.000 Sorry.

01:47:35.000 Have a nice day.

01:47:36.000 Call us.

01:47:36.000 Do Starlink.

01:47:37.000 We have Starlink.

01:47:38.000 It's not strong enough.

01:47:39.000 Oh, really?

01:47:39.000 The upload rate for Starlink I think is like eight megabits.

01:47:42.000 It's impractical.

01:47:43.000 So it's like old-school dial-up modem type thing?

01:47:46.000 No, no, it's better than that.

01:47:47.000 Old-school dial-ups.

01:47:48.000 I was just showing how old I was.

01:47:49.000 Old-school cable, you know, when you're getting a megabit and you're excited.

01:47:54.000 I'm getting 8 megabits up, it's like, okay, I can do a 480 livestream.

01:47:58.000 We can upload video files, it'll take 20 minutes.

01:48:02.000 Right now we've got greater than gigabit.

01:48:05.000 So, it's unfortunate, but we're building infrastructure in a semi-rural area, mostly rural area, and that means they've got to lay down the lines, lay down the fiber, and they don't have the materials to actually build it.

01:48:15.000 They said, sorry, we don't have it.

01:48:16.000 When we get it, we'll let you know.

01:48:18.000 Yeah, I don't know, maybe if I speak on a show like this and say like, hey, Comcast, we need internet at our new headquarters, someone listening might know somebody and be like, can we divert resources and make this happen or something?

01:48:29.000 Twitter might be your best bet.

01:48:30.000 I feel like the companies love Twitter now.

01:48:33.000 It took like four months to get internet here.

01:48:35.000 It was crazy because they have to actually dig, like hang lines and like bury line and actually for miles, like two miles up the road, lay down the fiber lines and bring it to the house.

01:48:48.000 It's crazy.

01:48:48.000 It's a lot of work to do.

01:48:49.000 It's very expensive.

01:48:51.000 It's ridiculously expensive.

01:48:52.000 I did the same thing in my place.

01:48:53.000 I had to drive.

01:48:54.000 Put in a line from the road all the way up a mile.

01:48:58.000 But when you're in a residential area or an urban area that already has backhaul and lines in the ground, 100 bucks a month for gigabit.

01:49:06.000 When you're in a rural area, it's thousands of dollars a month for the same internet.

01:49:10.000 And then when they installed it, they installed it wrong and they gave us the wrong box.

01:49:14.000 So it had an optical port and like an ethernet port and they gave us the wrong port and we tried to buy converters and we were like, this is insane.

01:49:20.000 And then they had to come out and reconfigure and like swap out or something.

01:49:23.000 It isn't crazy.

01:49:25.000 All right.

01:49:25.000 What do we got here?

01:49:27.000 Philip Reed says, if Ian ever leaves, Tim's going to hang up a sign that says long hair freaky people need not apply.

01:49:32.000 That's actually a good idea to hang up behind Ian as right now.

01:49:34.000 Yeah.

01:49:37.000 Yeah.

01:49:39.000 Andrew Puckett says, Ian's the type of guy who wants to hug in combat.

01:49:43.000 Huh.

01:49:44.000 I think so.

01:49:44.000 I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't want to do that.

01:49:49.000 Kenneth Hart says, guys, what happened with Tim and Ian in the last three days?

01:49:53.000 Episodes have been fire.

01:49:54.000 The energy is better.

01:49:55.000 The flow is better.

01:49:56.000 And you seem to be having more fun.

01:49:57.000 Everyone seems to be having fun.

01:49:59.000 You know, I am having fun.

01:50:00.000 You know, once we started working with Congress, it's the beyond the drugs.

01:50:06.000 I credit Congress.

01:50:07.000 Spending time at Congress has given me a new lease on life, man.

01:50:10.000 I have hope and faith in the system, seeing the amount of work that they are willing to put in.

01:50:14.000 Like, Lauren Boebert works 28 days a month. 1.00

01:50:18.000 She goes, she spends four days a month at home because she's willing to sacrifice and spend that much time.

01:50:24.000 Her family, her kids are there and they're with her.

01:50:27.000 Like, the whole family that was sacrificed there.

01:50:29.000 It's amazing.

01:50:30.000 It's inspiration.

01:50:31.000 I have never heard of a person Talk about Congress like that in my entire life!

01:50:38.000 Once you get inside and you see the camaraderie and the willingness, it's a pretty awkward story.

01:50:42.000 You're talking about just the Freedom Caucus and, like, Matt Gaetz.

01:50:45.000 Yeah.

01:50:45.000 It's like eight people.

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:47.000 I love you, Ian.

01:50:48.000 Send me to Congress.

01:50:49.000 I'm not your buddy guy, says Tim.

01:50:51.000 You've got white stuff above your left lip.

01:50:54.000 I am outraged.

01:50:57.000 At the body shaming that has been going on in chat from the people who are saying that there is something white in my mustache, it is the graying of my beard.

01:51:05.000 It is turning gray.

01:51:07.000 I have gray hairs and y'all are shaming me and saying I have boogers and don't you ever stop to think about what other people feel when you're shaming?

01:51:16.000 No, so this is why guys get the Just For Men stuff and color their beard.

01:51:20.000 I always thought it was silly because I'm like, who cares?

01:51:23.000 You go gray, you go gray.

01:51:24.000 I don't care.

01:51:25.000 But then someone pointed out to me, they were like, the problem is people keep going, oh, you've got something.

01:51:29.000 And you're like, no, it's just turning white.

01:51:31.000 And they're like, oh, and you say that 10 times a day.

01:51:33.000 You're like, I'm just going to put this stuff in to make or pluck the hair or something.

01:51:36.000 But when it's getting whiter than you've got to, you know.

01:51:39.000 More green vegetables should darken the hair, less salt, more green veg, all that.

01:51:44.000 I've gone through phases where I'll get white and it'll turn dark again.

01:51:47.000 Really?

01:51:48.000 And another thing that works really well is adrenochrome, I hear.

01:51:51.000 The oxidized blood of anyone and everyone?

01:51:55.000 No, no.

01:51:55.000 What was that?

01:51:56.000 Adrenaline.

01:51:57.000 Oxidized adrenaline, that's what I meant.

01:51:58.000 No, it actually, I'm pretty sure it's poison, and that's, you know, I was reading about it.

01:52:02.000 Do people actually eat that stuff?

01:52:03.000 I ask you, because you're in the Department of Defense.

01:52:06.000 I don't think it's real, and I was reading about it, and it's poisonous.

01:52:09.000 Like, you can't ingest it.

01:52:11.000 You know, adrenochrome.

01:52:13.000 Anyway, it's funny.

01:52:14.000 All right, all right, where we at, where we at?

01:52:17.000 John Kirsten says, Ian, we cannot use conventional tactics against guerrilla tactics.

01:52:22.000 Use their rules for radicals back against them and fight their guerrilla war with their own guerrilla tactics.

01:52:27.000 Morality is on our side.

01:52:28.000 I agree with that, but I think you're conflating the culture war, which isn't actually a war.

01:52:33.000 That's an important thing to remember.

01:52:34.000 You're wrong.

01:52:34.000 Excuse me.

01:52:35.000 It's not a real war.

01:52:36.000 Yes, it is.

01:52:38.000 It's a cold civil war.

01:52:40.000 I don't think you call that war.

01:52:41.000 I think that's softening the term.

01:52:43.000 Google the definition of war, and then let's see if we agree or disagree.

01:52:47.000 Carl Von Clausewitz.

01:52:50.000 And while you're doing that, Paran Gaming News says, where's Mr. Baucus, Tim?

01:52:55.000 Probably peeing on the floor somewhere.

01:52:57.000 He's sleeping downstairs right now.

01:52:59.000 Ian brought him in here and he pissed on the floor.

01:53:01.000 War is the extenuation of politics by other means.

01:53:04.000 Go ahead, pull it up.

01:53:05.000 I think that's Clausewitz.

01:53:06.000 A state of open-armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nation-states or parties.

01:53:11.000 So open, armed...

01:53:12.000 But there's more than just the one definition.

01:53:14.000 The period of such conflict.

01:53:15.000 So like that was the war.

01:53:18.000 And then the techniques and procedures of war.

01:53:20.000 I don't know why you're using the word and the definition.

01:53:22.000 That makes no sense.

01:53:23.000 So I like your definition, Chris.

01:53:25.000 I'm pulling it up.

01:53:26.000 A sustained effort to deal with or end a particular unpleasant or undesirable situation or condition.

01:53:32.000 That's pretty vague.

01:53:34.000 Right.

01:53:35.000 Because the issue is words are defined by how they're used.

01:53:39.000 And when we say cold war, we don't go, well, the dictionary says that war is armed conflict.

01:53:44.000 Therefore the cold war never happened.

01:53:46.000 It was more of the cold political dispute between nations.

01:53:48.000 It's like, okay, like, we call it a Cold War because... Because there were nuclear arms pointed at each other.

01:53:53.000 If there wasn't weapons involved, we wouldn't call it a war.

01:53:55.000 And influence operations and spying and stuff.

01:53:57.000 So when you have, like, Aaron Danielson getting shot twice in the chest and killed by a guy with a communist tattoo on his neck, I'd argue we are in a hot conflict.

01:54:07.000 It's just not to the point where... What we're dealing with is...

01:54:12.000 The weaponization of government against the political enemies, January 6th type stuff.

01:54:17.000 We're looking at pro-lifers getting arrested.

01:54:19.000 We're looking at leftists getting a free pass.

01:54:22.000 Like, there is a cold civil war happening, and it was a Yale professor five years ago who said it.

01:54:28.000 So if you don't want to take his word for it, totally fine.

01:54:31.000 But you have to acknowledge that we've seen violence, death, conflict all under the guise of political tribalism and extremism.

01:54:37.000 So is it a hot civil war with marching nation states against each other?

01:54:41.000 No, but it is a cold civil war.

01:54:42.000 I think it's a fair assessment.

01:54:43.000 Sun Tzu wrote that the ultimate goal of warfare is to win without fighting.

01:54:47.000 Oh, I love that one.

01:54:48.000 Tim, can I give myself a shout out?

01:54:48.000 There you go.

01:54:50.000 Yeah.

01:54:51.000 Alright, so you guys spent a lot of money to train and educate me when I was a military officer and it worked because I was right with the Carl von Clausewitz quote, war is the continuation of politics by other means.

01:55:02.000 Probably the only thing I learned.

01:55:04.000 It stuck.

01:55:05.000 I don't know what it means.

01:55:06.000 That's a good definition.

01:55:08.000 Which kind of ties into what you're saying, actually, in a weird sort of way.

01:55:11.000 Affecting policy through means other than your standard political process, in a sense.

01:55:15.000 That's vague, because you could have affecting policy through other means that isn't war, like economically bribery.

01:55:21.000 Bribery is not warfare.

01:55:22.000 That's war. 0.51

01:55:23.000 It's economic warfare.

01:55:24.000 That's softening the term of war.

01:55:25.000 Economic warfare is war, bro.

01:55:27.000 Sanctions are a catalyst of war and a huge component of war.

01:55:35.000 Blockades are an act of war.

01:55:37.000 No fly zones.

01:55:39.000 But those are all threats of force, of weaponry.

01:55:41.000 A blockade?

01:55:42.000 Yeah, there's something that would blow up.

01:55:45.000 And what do you think sanctions are?

01:55:47.000 Do you think we just say, don't you do this, and if you do, we'll do nothing about it?

01:55:51.000 No, it's because we're saying we will lock people up and put them in boxes at gunpoint.

01:55:55.000 Everything is under the threat of force.

01:55:58.000 Bribery's not.

01:55:59.000 Bribery's... you just...

01:56:02.000 You know, bribing your political opponents isn't war, but it's a means other than... I disagree.

01:56:08.000 I think it depends on the circumstance for which you are bribing the person, obviously.

01:56:14.000 If you're like, hey, I want to get an easement on my land, push through the permits, okay, sure.

01:56:20.000 But if it's like, I want to ban this group of people from being able to talk, here's a bunch of money, don't let them talk.

01:56:26.000 Yeah, that's war.

01:56:29.000 Everything in government is backed by the monopoly on violence.

01:56:33.000 That's how government functions.

01:56:35.000 We're talking about literal war?

01:56:39.000 Like, the definition of war?

01:56:40.000 Like, Congress is the only body able to declare war?

01:56:42.000 We haven't been at war since World War II?

01:56:43.000 Don't play semantics with me, bro.

01:56:44.000 So, Vietnam was a war?

01:56:46.000 It was Vietnam a war?

01:56:47.000 No one declared the Cold War, so it never happened, right?

01:56:49.000 It wasn't a war.

01:56:50.000 Congress didn't declare it.

01:56:50.000 The Cold War never happened.

01:56:51.000 If you want to step in front and say, legally, the Cold War was a war, you'd be wrong.

01:56:55.000 And no one's talking about legally, we're talking about human ideas and understanding, and often, in an attempt to win arguments, you change definitions of words.

01:57:02.000 Well, that's a disingenuous way to win an argument.

01:57:05.000 That's what you do!

01:57:06.000 I agree! 0.89

01:57:07.000 You are disingenuous.

01:57:08.000 You call it the culture war tongue-in-cheek.

01:57:09.000 It's not because it's an actual war.

01:57:11.000 I literally said it is a cold civil war.

01:57:14.000 People have been shot and killed.

01:57:15.000 There are people hacking, sending death threats.

01:57:18.000 There's banks shutting down people's finances.

01:57:21.000 Like, this is all an attempt to destroy people's lives, cause them physical economic harm, in an effort to win a political battle.

01:57:30.000 I feel like you could move into someone's city and they'll be like, he's declaring war on us by taking our goods and services and land from us, even though you just did it totally on the board.

01:57:40.000 Gentrification has been called war.

01:57:42.000 Gentrification is war now.

01:57:46.000 It's almost like you live in a black and white world where things are binary.

01:57:49.000 Well, when people use words improperly, I get a little upset.

01:57:52.000 But you use words improperly all the time.

01:57:55.000 That is an improper use of the term all the time.

01:57:58.000 You did it earlier.

01:57:59.000 You did it earlier.

01:58:00.000 Well, mean actually means the average.

01:58:03.000 The whole point of that exchange was the... You are most famous for making semantic arguments to try and prove a point that doesn't make sense.

01:58:10.000 Like, this is what people complain about.

01:58:12.000 I don't care about people lists on the internet.

01:58:14.000 I'm telling you that everyone is desperately trying to tell you use semantic arguments all the time.

01:58:18.000 That is not true.

01:58:20.000 You use the term all the time as if it's like a cudgel, and you're wrong.

01:58:24.000 I don't do that all the time.

01:58:24.000 We were on stage at Long Shots, and we were talking about the great things you bring up on the show, and then I said, but not the semantic arguments, and everyone started cheering and clapping in the audience.

01:58:35.000 You created that meme.

01:58:37.000 No, I didn't.

01:58:38.000 I am simply responding to what people are literally saying in the chat.

01:58:41.000 I don't make it up.

01:58:42.000 You were the one that said semantics while we were at the old office and then other people started parroting it in the chat.

01:58:47.000 You said being mean in math means the average.

01:58:48.000 So if you're being mean to someone, you're bringing them to the average.

01:58:53.000 No, that's a homonym, not a synonym.

01:58:56.000 There's no relation to those words.

01:58:58.000 And that's what you did.

01:58:59.000 Anyway, let's read some more Super Chats.

01:59:01.000 All right, all right, all right.

01:59:02.000 What do we got?

01:59:05.000 Uh, let's see.

01:59:06.000 God gave rock and roll to you.

01:59:09.000 Says, ask him.

01:59:10.000 Oh, wait, I'm sorry.

01:59:11.000 The National Guard is for riots.

01:59:12.000 I want our military to handle the invasion at the southern border.

01:59:16.000 Yes.

01:59:17.000 Yeah.

01:59:17.000 Yes.

01:59:20.000 All right.

01:59:21.000 SA Federale says, Chris is saying what I tried selling to my recruiters 20 years ago, and I was, and was told I watched too many movies.

01:59:27.000 I'm going to keep up with what he's, he's doing for sure.

01:59:31.000 Yeah.

01:59:32.000 Yeah, they're like, get a big jet and fly the jet around.

01:59:35.000 And it's like, some dude's gonna pop out of the bushes with a remote control car with a bomb strapped to it, and he's gonna drive it into your tent.

01:59:43.000 And you're gonna be like, what's that thing?

01:59:46.000 Is what's going on in the southern border war?

01:59:48.000 Is it an invasion?

01:59:50.000 I think it's a national, I think it's the purpose of our military.

01:59:50.000 Yes.

01:59:55.000 When you have people marching with flags of their home country into your country, like, I don't understand why that's not an invasion. 1.00

02:00:02.000 It's like literally people waving a flag of another country marching into yours.

02:00:06.000 Like if this was 1500s France and a bunch of British subjects with British flags marched into France and then stuck the flag in the ground and said, this land is ours now and we're going to live and work here.

02:00:17.000 They'd be like, okay, these British people are invading France. 0.99

02:00:20.000 You don't have to start shooting each other with bows and arrows or whatever, like it happened.

02:00:25.000 Alright, where we at?

02:00:25.000 Let's grab a couple more as we wrap up.

02:00:28.000 Brandon says, damn I love this show. 0.98

02:00:30.000 Ian is the man! 0.98

02:00:32.000 Thanks, Dan.

02:00:32.000 But that was an old super chat.

02:00:34.000 If you'd heard the last five minutes, you might have chatted something else.

02:00:38.000 Ian, too honest, too honest.

02:00:39.000 Just take the win.

02:00:40.000 Thanks, Dan.

02:00:44.000 There's a bunch of redacted super chats.

02:00:45.000 People are rescinding them.

02:00:46.000 Maybe it's because they were saying mean things, but then they said, yes, mean things about Ian, but then decided they shouldn't.

02:00:51.000 They realized they didn't want to bring Ian to Average.

02:00:55.000 All right.

02:00:55.000 Let's let's.

02:00:56.000 Here we go.

02:00:56.000 Stephen says all the fiber optic cable in the eastern U.S.

02:00:59.000 is getting buried here in Franklin, North North Carolina.

02:01:02.000 Well I need it!

02:01:03.000 I am outraged.

02:01:06.000 Alright everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe

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02:01:13.000 head over to YouTube.com slash TimCast and check out the first episode of The Culture

02:01:18.000 War with Tim Pool featuring Olly London as our first guest, a man who is transitioning

02:01:23.000 to be a Korean woman and is now detransitioned and wrote a book about it and is speaking

02:01:28.000 out against what they're doing to people and kids and actually a motivational section in

02:01:33.000 his book about how to overcome these identity issues and find yourself.

02:01:36.000 It's really interesting stuff.

02:01:37.000 We got, that's going to be once a week.

02:01:39.000 The episodes will go up on Friday.

02:01:41.000 Friday's not a good day to ever publish anything but it is what it is.

02:01:44.000 And I assume people can watch the episodes throughout the week if they want to.

02:01:47.000 We'll have clips up throughout the week as well.

02:01:48.000 And we're going to have more guests from the cultural spaces talking about life and what's going on.

02:01:53.000 We've got really great guests coming up.

02:01:55.000 The next three guests are going to be incredible.

02:01:57.000 So check that out.

02:01:58.000 You can follow the show at Timcast IRL.

02:02:01.000 You can follow me personally at Timcast.

02:02:03.000 Chris, do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:05.000 Modern Town Square is what you're doing.

02:02:06.000 This is really important.

02:02:08.000 Thanks for having me on.

02:02:09.000 Give me a chance to laugh, but also try to answer some questions.

02:02:14.000 Probably failed in most cases, but thanks for what you guys are doing.

02:02:17.000 It's really important for our country.

02:02:18.000 Right on.

02:02:19.000 Could you tell us more about your book, too?

02:02:21.000 I'm so bad at my pitch, and the publisher's like, you gotta pitch your book all the time.

02:02:25.000 You can hold it up, too.

02:02:28.000 All my buddies critique my book, like, I didn't like this part.

02:02:34.000 I'm like, did you laugh?

02:02:35.000 They're like, I did laugh.

02:02:36.000 I'm like, my mission is complete.

02:02:38.000 But this talks about some good stories, but at the end of the day, it's about accountability, it's about moving forward with our country, and it's also about You know, those that serve and those they serve, we got to do better bringing that together.

02:02:55.000 Back to our point, because what you brought up, civilian oversight is essential to our country.

02:03:01.000 And I just kind of behind the scenes, you know, I'm talking too much.

02:03:06.000 I know, you know, hey, I know we got to get off.

02:03:10.000 I should have never had this job.

02:03:12.000 I'm a kid from Iowa.

02:03:13.000 It only happens in America.

02:03:15.000 I wasn't one of these.

02:03:16.000 I was just a guy who started out in the field and was fortunate enough to lead our men and women, our armed forces.

02:03:24.000 We're really fortunate in this country.

02:03:27.000 I got great hope.

02:03:29.000 Absolutely.

02:03:29.000 I got great hope.

02:03:30.000 I'm sorry, I know you guys get a little down in the mouth.

02:03:32.000 I listen, like, what's the end of the world?

02:03:34.000 I'm like, man, you go out in America, you know it, you see it out there, those people.

02:03:39.000 It may be a dramatic transformation, but I said the other day, humans have overcome every single challenge set before them thus far, and I don't think we're the exception where it's all going to fall apart.

02:03:49.000 I think things could get bad, but we'll figure it out.

02:03:51.000 Yep.

02:03:53.000 Chris, thank you so much for coming on.

02:03:54.000 I'm going to check out your book.

02:03:56.000 Thanks for tuning in, everybody.

02:03:57.000 I am Alauda Eliyahu.

02:03:58.000 I report for TimCast News.

02:04:00.000 You can find me on Twitter, Alauda Eliyahu, Instagram, BarelyInformedWithAlaud, and that's it.

02:04:05.000 And I'm leader of the Bolton Bros membership fan club.

02:04:05.000 Thank you.

02:04:07.000 Leader of the Bolton Bros.

02:04:09.000 One day we're going to have a mustaches only episode, hopefully.

02:04:13.000 Mustaches only.

02:04:14.000 I'll tell you about it next time, ahead of time, Chris.

02:04:16.000 Wish I would have known.

02:04:18.000 I am Phil Labonte, lead vocalist for All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

02:04:24.000 You can check me out on Twitter.

02:04:26.000 PhilThatRemains on Instagram.

02:04:29.000 PhilThatRemainsOfficial.

02:04:31.000 Yeah.

02:04:31.000 I'm Ian Crossland at iancrossland.net.

02:04:33.000 I got a few speaking engagements coming up, one of which will be on May 13th in Oakland, California.

02:04:38.000 It's part of the TakeHumanActionTour.com speaking tour.

02:04:43.000 We're going to be with the Mises Caucus speaking.

02:04:45.000 So that's TakeHumanActionTour.com.

02:04:46.000 You can get tickets there.

02:04:48.000 Awesome, Chris.

02:04:49.000 I'm really looking forward to working with you in the future, man.

02:04:51.000 That was some real pleasure.

02:04:53.000 I didn't let you guys down.

02:04:55.000 My content was bad.

02:04:56.000 Like, oh, that was the worst.

02:04:57.000 We barely struck the surface.

02:04:59.000 As long as you don't storm out after a half an hour, we're good.

02:05:02.000 Just thanks for everything you've done, obviously, and being able to talk about it publicly so easily.

02:05:06.000 It's really cool.

02:05:07.000 And you were saying we control the weather.

02:05:09.000 I was thinking, like, who is we as well?

02:05:12.000 Who is they?

02:05:13.000 It's they.

02:05:14.000 Before we go, I'd like to introduce Kellen.

02:05:17.000 Yes.

02:05:18.000 Yeah, Fridays are always fun.

02:05:19.000 Thanks a bunch.

02:05:20.000 It's a great conversation.

02:05:22.000 You're a very funny guy.

02:05:23.000 Hey, tomorrow, Rally for Ukraine.

02:05:26.000 I know all of Tim Cass viewers are going to be there bright and early.

02:05:30.000 But no, Alad and I will be down there in D.C.

02:05:33.000 interviewing people about the Ukraine war.

02:05:36.000 Is that what it's called?

02:05:37.000 Rally for Ukraine?

02:05:38.000 It's the one-year anniversary of since Russia invaded the territory.

02:05:43.000 So check that out.

02:05:45.000 And then also, again, check out The Culture War with Tim Pool.

02:05:48.000 It's a great new show.

02:05:49.000 I listened to it.

02:05:49.000 It was awesome.

02:05:50.000 You guys can follow me at kellenpdl on Twitter.

02:05:53.000 Thanks, guys.

02:05:54.000 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:05:55.000 And we will see you all with clips throughout the weekend.

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