Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Youtube Begins PURGE Of Matt Walsh Related Content, Censorship RAMPS UP w-Liz Wheeler

00:00:00.000 The purge has begun.

00:00:25.000 As many of you know, I mentioned this on Twitter and the other day, we had two videos taken down from YouTube.

00:00:31.000 One was a clip about Matt Walsh's response to an employee that was terminated.

00:00:36.000 The other was the entire episode we had recently done with Brandon Strock.

00:00:40.000 We don't know exactly why it was taken down.

00:00:42.000 I wasn't yet given a reason or at least I don't know maybe maybe got lost in the junk mail but they haven't said anything to me other than it's been removed and you will not receive a strike.

00:00:52.000 We're hearing that a bunch of other people have experienced something similar.

00:00:55.000 Jeremy Boring of the Daily Wire said that Matt Walsh had been demonetized, so it looks like the purge hath begun, and it may have something to do with transgender ideology, the Bud Light controversy, and Dylan Mulvaney.

00:01:08.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:01:09.000 The quartering, and Sidney Watson had a video removed, and interestingly enough, the video that the quartering had removed, this is Jeremy Hambly, apparently was criticizing Matt Walsh for being too mean to Dylan Mulvaney.

00:01:21.000 So I'll show you his tweets, and then we'll talk about that censorship.

00:01:24.000 So it's a fairly crazy day in terms of that ongoing censorship.

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00:02:43.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Liz Wheeler.

00:02:47.000 Hey, thanks so much for having me.

00:02:48.000 I appreciate it.

00:02:48.000 Absolutely.

00:02:49.000 Who are you?

00:02:49.000 What do you do?

00:02:50.000 Yeah, my name is Liz Wheeler.

00:02:51.000 I host The Liz Wheeler Show.

00:02:52.000 I used to work in cable news, but now I own a media company.

00:02:57.000 I host a podcast that you can find at lizwheeler.com or anywhere that you listen to your pods or watch your pods.

00:03:02.000 A little censored on YouTube right now, just like the rest of us.

00:03:05.000 You can go to rumble.com slash lizwheeler.

00:03:08.000 You had a video taken down as well.

00:03:09.000 Yeah, same topic, same topic.

00:03:11.000 We had two.

00:03:11.000 I think this happened not last night, but the night before.

00:03:13.000 Same to us.

00:03:14.000 Related to Nashville and related to the Dylan stuff.

00:03:19.000 Don't want to be too specific here.

00:03:20.000 I mean, we're going to talk about it, so.

00:03:22.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not surprising, right?

00:03:26.000 We try to be pretty careful on YouTube, honestly, because we want to be there, we want to be present on YouTube, but they're going to find a way.

00:03:32.000 It's actually funny, so our channel had gotten demonetized maybe six months ago for similar stuff, and we had finally been able to, our strikes had run out, and we'd finally been able to reapply for monetization, and they had told us when we reapplied, like, okay, we'll evaluate you within a month, and it was literally like the midnight hour.

00:03:48.000 It was like the day that we I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.

00:03:50.000 that that month was up, so we were gonna get our monetization back and it was

00:03:53.000 that day that they they took those videos down and gave us a strike. So I

00:03:57.000 don't think it's a coincidence, but it is what it is. You expect this. We'd like to

00:04:00.000 use the platform, but it's not... we don't rely on it from a business model. Yeah,

00:04:03.000 all right, we'll talk about that. Thanks for hanging out.

00:04:05.000 We got Hannah-Claire Bremilow. Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Bremilow. I'm a writer for

00:04:08.000 TimCast.com. And I'm Ian Crossland.

00:04:10.000 Very happy to be here.

00:04:11.000 Good to see you, Liz.

00:04:12.000 Hey, what's up, everybody?

00:04:13.000 It's Kellen.

00:04:14.000 Good to be here.

00:04:15.000 Happy Friday.

00:04:16.000 Nice mustache, dude.

00:04:17.000 Nice mustache!

00:04:18.000 Mustache.

00:04:19.000 I think the lights are a little bright.

00:04:20.000 You want to... Well, I'll start the segment.

00:04:22.000 You want to dim the lights just a teeny bit as we do this?

00:04:24.000 You got it.

00:04:24.000 All right, everybody.

00:04:25.000 We got this first story here from The Quartering.

00:04:29.000 This is Jeremy Hambly, and I'll show you a few of these stories.

00:04:31.000 Jeremy tweeted six hours ago, this is some bull-ish.

00:04:34.000 It says, the video has been removed for violating YouTube's policy on harassment and bullying.

00:04:38.000 He says, this is an escalation of something I've been noticing in analytics.

00:04:41.000 This is why The Publican Now was started.

00:04:43.000 I'll make a video now, but consider joining today.

00:04:46.000 And then he says, it was a video where I defended Dylan Mulvaney, much to the chagrin of many, for how mean Matt Walsh was to him.

00:04:53.000 I now regret that.

00:04:55.000 And then we have this from Sydney Watson, it says, YouTube has deleted an entire video from the Quartering and My Community Notes channel for bullying and harassment.

00:05:03.000 We have to assume it's because we discussed Dylan Mulvaney.

00:05:06.000 This is exactly why we created The Publican now, and why we are so appreciative of everyone who has signed up as a member to support the effort. 0.97

00:05:13.000 Gender ideology is a scourge and it's asinine, we can't call it out. 1.00

00:05:17.000 So, I can only imagine this will continue to get worse in terms of the purge, and Liz, you were just mentioning you had videos taken down as well. 0.91

00:05:25.000 Yeah, yeah, I did, and it was about these same topics.

00:05:28.000 Like I said, I'm not surprised here, I don't think any of us think of ourselves as victims here, but it is quite something to see the censorship and what discussion the left and these corporate overlords don't want us to be having.

00:05:39.000 Does it ever resemble what you experienced working in cable- you said you had a cable TV show, right?

00:05:45.000 I did.

00:05:45.000 No, it's pretty different.

00:05:47.000 In a cable news setting, I had actually a tremendous amount of freedom.

00:05:50.000 I didn't really have restrictions on what I could say.

00:05:53.000 It was before, it was largely before a lot of the transgender conversations.

00:05:57.000 It's funny, actually, a little detour here.

00:05:59.000 There was a video of mine that went viral.

00:06:01.000 It was from five or six years ago, and I was talking about, like, what's the limiting principle.

00:06:05.000 It's the one Tommy Lee posted.

00:06:07.000 And I was talking about, well, what's the limiting principle on Transgender. 0.58

00:06:11.000 This video went pretty viral, even though it was from a few years ago, and I remember the day that I made that, because the crew that day were like, okay, that's a little hyperbolic, don't you think?

00:06:19.000 And it's all happening now!

00:06:21.000 But at the time, there wasn't the censorship, because the dissent against it was just not quite- hadn't quite ramped up, hadn't built up to the point that we're at now.

00:06:30.000 So, very different.

00:06:31.000 Very different to be independent.

00:06:32.000 It's fun to be independent.

00:06:34.000 It's fun to own your own company and to build your own thing.

00:06:37.000 It does make it trickier from a business aspect when you have to dodge these kind of bullets, but I care less about the business aspect of it and more about the mission part of it.

00:06:47.000 We talk about this stuff because we care about these people, right?

00:06:49.000 Not because it's good clicks.

00:06:52.000 I think this may have something to do with Anheuser-Busch, the removal of the content.

00:06:57.000 And it's a convenient scapegoat for YouTube to go after harassment and bullying.

00:07:04.000 Because it's clearly related to Matt Walsh, Dylan Mulvaney.

00:07:08.000 These are some of the issues surrounding the video that Matt Walsh Uh, what triggered it all was when he was critical of Dylan Mulvaney, which resulted in people responding saying, you maybe pushed it too far, Matt, you were a little mean.

00:07:22.000 But that's all he was, he was mean to a person.

00:07:24.000 And I think the issue is... Well, let me put it this way.

00:07:28.000 YouTube didn't say anything.

00:07:30.000 This story came and went.

00:07:31.000 This was months ago.

00:07:32.000 The story came and went.

00:07:33.000 But only now that the Anheuser-Busch hit has extended into now, I think we're going to be entering soon, a fourth week.

00:07:41.000 This is the end of, I think, the third week of Anheuser-Busch boycott getting worse.

00:07:46.000 New reporting that their sales are continuing to drop.

00:07:48.000 They've started doing, I've started getting ads from Budweiser for the first time ever.

00:07:53.000 And so what I think's happening is, my personal opinion here, is that Anheuser-Busch contacted YouTube and said, it's your fault, and if you don't take this down, we will stop advertising with you.

00:08:03.000 YouTube then says, okay, what do we do?

00:08:05.000 There are big advertisers, the biggest beer brand in the world, let's start removing these videos.

00:08:11.000 I'm willing to bet Anheuser-Busch went to YouTube a while ago.

00:08:14.000 And again, just my personal opinion, I don't have any insider information or anything like that.

00:08:18.000 I bet they went to YouTube and said, we spend too much money on your platform to have to deal with all of these channels using that platform to hurt us.

00:08:28.000 So we're going to stop buying from you.

00:08:30.000 It probably took YouTube a little while to come up with a plan.

00:08:33.000 So this, to me, I think Anheuser-Busch probably went to YouTube a week and a half ago saying, look at all these videos!

00:08:39.000 We're spending X dollars, but all these videos keep coming out.

00:08:42.000 So YouTube probably came up with a policy.

00:08:44.000 They probably had a discussion where they said, look, if we ban these videos and give strikes, we're going to lose way more money. 0.51

00:08:49.000 The videos don't break the rules.

00:08:51.000 You know how I know they don't break the rules?

00:08:53.000 YouTube did not give strikes to any of these channels.

00:08:55.000 That's very weird.

00:08:56.000 It's the first time I've heard of that.

00:08:57.000 So when we got two videos taken down, they say, we're just removing them, but you're not getting a strike.

00:09:02.000 We got a strike, I think.

00:09:03.000 You got a strike?

00:09:03.000 Yeah, we got a strike.

00:09:05.000 So, uh, I think Jeremy said he didn't get a strike either, right?

00:09:08.000 I don't know.

00:09:09.000 That they just removed it?

00:09:10.000 Oh, actually- I'm gonna double check, but I'm pretty sure we got a strike.

00:09:13.000 Look, look, look.

00:09:14.000 Here's what Sidney Watson posted.

00:09:15.000 It says we want to let you know our team reviewed your content and we think it violates our harassment policy

00:09:19.000 We know you may not have realized was a violation of our policy

00:09:22.000 So we're not applying a strike to your channel what that says to me again in my personal opinion is that?

00:09:28.000 They know it doesn't really break the rules and if they apply a strike they will lose more money

00:09:34.000 The verbiage is, we think you violated it.

00:09:37.000 Like, it should just say... We think it violates our rules.

00:09:39.000 We think it did, but we don't know.

00:09:41.000 We think you didn't know.

00:09:41.000 It's a legal protection.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, mine says we think.

00:09:44.000 I'm looking it up right now.

00:09:44.000 It says we think it violates.

00:09:46.000 But you're not getting a strike?

00:09:49.000 No, we did get a strike.

00:09:51.000 The notice, so the email that I got, that's what I have a copy of right here.

00:09:54.000 Can you read that paragraph?

00:09:55.000 Yeah, it says, our team has reviewed your content.

00:09:57.000 Unfortunately, we think it violates our hate speech policy.

00:09:59.000 We removed the following content from YouTube.

00:10:00.000 We got two emails.

00:10:01.000 Oh, no, my team just texted me.

00:10:03.000 We definitely got a strike.

00:10:04.000 Oh, wow.

00:10:04.000 But they're saying hate speech in yours.

00:10:05.000 Yeah, and then they defined hate speech.

00:10:07.000 And they said, we got an email that said exactly the phrase that I use that they consider to be hate speech.

00:10:13.000 Well, don't say it.

00:10:15.000 Why is yours hate speech and this one is harassment?

00:10:18.000 Well, different things were said.

00:10:20.000 By the way, it's not hate speech.

00:10:22.000 It's a bad term these days.

00:10:23.000 It's really freaky.

00:10:24.000 This is important, though.

00:10:26.000 Here's why I think this.

00:10:27.000 YouTube probably sat down and said, if we apply a strike to TimCast IRL, how much money do we lose?

00:10:34.000 All of it.

00:10:34.000 We would leave the network.

00:10:36.000 It's not just the advertising.

00:10:37.000 It's not just the super chats.

00:10:39.000 It's that the consistently highest viewed nightly show on YouTube will immediately switch to Rumble.

00:10:46.000 So we're going to lose long-term revenue.

00:10:47.000 We're going to lose market share.

00:10:49.000 We're going to lose direct advertising.

00:10:50.000 What can we do?

00:10:51.000 Budweiser, Anheuser-Busch is furious, and we're going to lose their ads.

00:10:55.000 How about we just take those videos down from all these channels and then just sweep it under the rug and don't apply the strikes where we can avoid applying strikes.

00:11:04.000 If you give a live show a strike, there's no live show.

00:11:07.000 So that's why I think they're like, okay, let's just take them down and not do a strike because we want to make money.

00:11:12.000 This says to me strictly about advertising.

00:11:15.000 And I think Anheuser-Busch behind the scenes is screaming, but they know they can't say things publicly.

00:11:22.000 They have dumped money into this ad about this Clydesdale running through the streets or whatever, and it's because they did this after 9-11, and everybody loved it.

00:11:31.000 The Clydesdale after 9-11 was a big deal.

00:11:33.000 They're trying to do it again.

00:11:34.000 They are desperate.

00:11:35.000 Their sales are apparently down like 10% in the first two days of the boycott.

00:11:41.000 So we have not yet gotten the data from Anheuser-Busch on the past couple of weeks, but I bet it's so bad they went to YouTube and said, why should we advertise with you when you keep publishing the smears against us?

00:11:54.000 When you're navigating these conversations, in my experience, like transgenderism for instance, which is a very important conversation for everybody, people that are transgender or that aren't transgender, we need to communicate and find some common ground.

00:12:07.000 You go the route of talking systemically about transgenderism and body dysmorphia and things like that, then that's one path.

00:12:15.000 Then the other path is you talk about Sexualizing children, which is a completely different conversation.

00:12:21.000 You could be a straight person that's doing it, a transgender person that's doing it. 1.00

00:12:24.000 That's another conversation when children are involved.

00:12:26.000 Then there's a third part of it, which is targeting people, like how Dylan got his name brought up.

00:12:31.000 And I'm not, I like, I mean, whatever.

00:12:32.000 I like, you know, Dylan, you know, but when, when people bring up specific people over and over again, then it starts to be like dog piling.

00:12:39.000 And they're like, you consider harassment, I guess.

00:12:41.000 I'm sorry.

00:12:42.000 Can you harass the president by criticizing things they do publicly?

00:12:46.000 It's also not an individual... I mean, obviously Dylan is an individual person, but he's also a very, very influential activist, political activist.

00:12:54.000 And public figure, right?

00:12:55.000 I mean, there's certain... Not just a public figure, but an actual political activist who went to the White House to try to get policy passed about what states can regulate.

00:13:02.000 Right, but what I'm saying is libel law is different for public figures than it is for private citizens.

00:13:07.000 You know, I think because we have access to the internet and potentially going viral basically in our pocket at all times with our phones, people forget that you are electing to become a public figure and therefore you are losing some of your legal protections.

00:13:19.000 And the squeaky wheel gets the grease. 0.74

00:13:21.000 But I think this is more Anheuser-Busch.

00:13:23.000 And the evidence of that is there's been conversation around Dylan Mulvaney who has 11 million followers for a very long time.

00:13:30.000 Over a year.

00:13:30.000 We're on year two of the Days of Girlhood saga that Dylan Mulvaney has produced.

00:13:35.000 YouTube didn't care.

00:13:37.000 Until, Anheuser-Busch, a major advertiser, started getting hit in the market share and losing sales.

00:13:43.000 So, there actually is a reasonable business, like, capitalist response.

00:13:48.000 Anheuser-Busch might have just been like, we're not telling you to do anything.

00:13:53.000 We're just pointing out, there's really no reason for us to advertise on your platform.

00:13:57.000 Everybody hates us there, so bye!

00:13:58.000 It could be more than InBev, because Dylan has marketing sponsorships with lots of different companies.

00:14:03.000 Crest, CeraVe, EOS.

00:14:08.000 But his agent may have gone to all his people and be like, let's do a combined communication with YouTube that we will all leave the network.

00:14:16.000 Like Crest would leave, Budweiser would leave.

00:14:18.000 And so YouTube's like, well, what choice?

00:14:20.000 It makes me wonder who is backing his legal defense fund, right?

00:14:24.000 Because I can imagine just like Anheuser-Busch would go after YouTube, I assume Dylan also has a legal team that's trying to get as much out of this as possible.

00:14:31.000 Don't forget about the Corporate Equality Index.

00:14:34.000 You know, that organization that's from the Human Rights Campaign that goes around.

00:14:38.000 It's part of the ESG metrics, but it's specifically focused on ranking whether these big corporations are LGBTQ-friendly, quote-unquote, places to work.

00:14:46.000 And they send representatives to these corporations to make sure, not just for privileges or actual workplace environment, but whether these corporations are doing advertising campaigns that are

00:14:58.000 specifically quote-unquote inclusive of transgender people. So I think that there's a lot of power

00:15:04.000 right now behind making sure that Anheuser-Busch doesn't back down, especially as they're

00:15:09.000 realizing that this boycott is real.

00:15:11.000 A lot of conservative boycotts have not been real. Anheuser-Busch apologizes. Yes, yes, because maybe,

00:15:16.000 I mean, I don't think they probably would have, but I think that they underestimated the strength

00:15:19.000 of this boycott because a lot of conservative boycotts in the past have been like fleeting.

00:15:23.000 They haven't been incredibly effective, because a lot of people don't agree, but this one's very effective.

00:15:27.000 But it goes beyond this, because—and I'll throw it to Jesse Kelly, I cited him several times—he said it's the first time his neighbors asked him about politics.

00:15:35.000 And I've actually heard, surprisingly, you try to talk to people about politics, you know how it goes, and they're gonna be like, I don't know what you're talking about.

00:15:42.000 Now I'm out, and people are like, oh, that Bud Light thing, and they know about it.

00:15:45.000 Check this out, it gets worse.

00:15:47.000 We got a story from the Daily Mail, Joe Rogan slams Bud Light's pro-America commercial release after partnership with Dylan Mulvaney, after it backfired, and warns firm, we don't know who you really are.

00:15:58.000 He said, what did he say?

00:15:59.000 We don't know who you really are.

00:16:00.000 Here's another quote in here, I wanna make sure I read it, they bury it. 0.97

00:16:03.000 He says, uh, commenting, it's like, the effing dumbest pro-america rah-rah, like, we don't know who you really are now. 1.00

00:16:09.000 It's so stupid and cliche, it hurts my feelings, it's so dumb. 1.00

00:16:12.000 This is a company in deep-ish. 1.00

00:16:13.000 Woo-hoo! 1.00

00:16:14.000 That was great.

00:16:15.000 That was from the episode with Jim Brewer.

00:16:16.000 The biggest podcast in the world, and Joe Rogan at first was like, oh, who cares about this? 0.99

00:16:22.000 And then Budweiser played this stupid, Anheuser-Busch played this stupid play, and then Joe was like, what are you doing? 0.97

00:16:28.000 Yeah, he actually said it would be way funnier if in the middle of the Clydesdale running and everything that Dylan came out and like was like, hey, and that would have been amazing. 0.99

00:16:35.000 That would have been hilarious.

00:16:36.000 They needed to either shut up Or, like, they could double down, shut up, or apologize, but they're doing this weird, let's try and pander the people who are currently really angry with us.

00:16:45.000 It's showing how much they're in chaos, right?

00:16:47.000 Like, people are saying, Dylan Mulvaney's been dark for two weeks, hasn't posted anything, like, that's a very normal PR strategy, just say nothing until it dies.

00:16:55.000 And Anheuser-Busch, Budweiser, they're, like, the worst of all of them.

00:16:59.000 And this is why I think YouTube is starting to knock videos down.

00:17:01.000 Because when the PR 101 doesn't work, you go brute force.

00:17:05.000 They go to YouTube and say, ban them or else, and YouTube is like, let's start using force against these people and start striking them if they have conversations we don't like.

00:17:13.000 I found it insulting.

00:17:14.000 Like, I would consider myself in the demographic that would buy Bud Light.

00:17:17.000 I don't drink it myself like my husband would, right?

00:17:20.000 And when I saw this pro-American ad, I thought, well, that's a beautiful, cinematic, artistic piece of work, right?

00:17:26.000 Who doesn't feel kind of the rah-rah American seeing an ad like that? 0.98

00:17:29.000 And afterward, I was like, how dare they try to pander to me?

00:17:31.000 How dare they try to pacify me with that ad?

00:17:34.000 Don't pretend to hold these views when you've shown us what you really think of us and what you really want for our country with a much larger partnership with someone whose ideology is very much opposed to these traditional values that you're putting in this ad.

00:17:50.000 It's missing the self-knowledge.

00:17:54.000 You need to see these companies be self-aware for them to buy their products and trust them.

00:17:59.000 Don't just pretend like it didn't happen and then do a binary opposite thing.

00:18:03.000 It's in some ways more insulting, right?

00:18:04.000 Because they're taking this moment that was very powerful back in the day and saying, like, we'll just throw out here because that'll make you guys shut up.

00:18:10.000 We'll make you guys comply with what we want the whole thing.

00:18:12.000 I don't care if Dylan has a beer ad I find a 21 year old actor wants to sell beer go for a buddy a month and a half ago He was wearing little girls dress called Eloise this girl and pretending to be a little girl and then a month later was selling beer I'm like, that's where I'm starting to be Right when you sell to kids because that's like little kids Dylan Mulvaney's audience is so Again, the data we know for sure, TikTok audience according to various reports is on average below 21, which could mean 19 or 20.

00:18:41.000 Still, not of legal drinking age.

00:18:43.000 And you can make arguments about college.

00:18:44.000 I personally think the drinking age should be 18 because you're an adult and the government shouldn't set arbitrary standards like that.

00:18:49.000 But I'm not okay with the targeting of children to drink alcohol when you consider that Dylan Mulvaney's audience is probably much younger than that.

00:18:57.000 Dylan Mulvaney's audience is probably not 20 years old.

00:19:00.000 Especially not 21.

00:19:01.000 Dylan Mulvaney's audience, it's TikTok, it's gonna be closer to 14, 15.

00:19:06.000 That's my opinion.

00:19:07.000 You're saying that they knew what they were doing.

00:19:09.000 They knew it would create a firestorm like this?

00:19:11.000 No, no, no.

00:19:11.000 They want to target young drinkers according to the marketing.

00:19:13.000 The VP said we need, like, I'll just put it this way.

00:19:18.000 The left response from personalities was that they need to target younger people to get a new drinking audience.

00:19:25.000 And so they don't want to be your dad's beer.

00:19:26.000 They want to be your teenage daughter's beer.

00:19:28.000 Right, so they're going after people who aren't... I mean, this is cigarettes all over again.

00:19:32.000 Cigarettes, get them while they're young, get them hooked for life.

00:19:34.000 And so they're like, drink beer, kids.

00:19:36.000 And it's like, no, don't do that.

00:19:37.000 Don't advertise alcohol to children.

00:19:39.000 Your demographic should be adults. 0.99

00:19:41.000 There's a Bud Light commercial with Miles Teller or whatever.

00:19:44.000 And it's like him and his wife on hold, and it's kind of goofy, but it's targeting adults who are in their living room, and they're waiting for some adultly thing, clearly intended to target someone who's in their mid to late 20s, or early 20s, and I'm like, that's fine.

00:19:58.000 You know, he grabs two Bud Lights out of the fridge, and he cracks them, and then he dances over, and they're dancing to on-hold music or whatever, and I'm like, sure, fine, whatever.

00:20:06.000 But the sickening reality, man, is that college students have probably made Budweiser so much money from underage drinking.

00:20:13.000 But, but hold on.

00:20:14.000 And everyone knows it, and people are like, well we can't say it out loud because it's illegal to sell to them under 21, but... The drinking age should be 18. 0.74

00:20:21.000 But... It's so hard on the brain, but... I agree.

00:20:24.000 I think drinking's bad.

00:20:25.000 But I'm also not about to tell people, like, how to live their lives.

00:20:28.000 And if you can enlist in the military, you should be able to drink a beer.

00:20:31.000 Seriously.

00:20:32.000 And what's happened with the drinking age is that there's actually been a lot of teenagers who are at college, 19, 20 years old, of legal age, to enter into contracts and join the military.

00:20:42.000 They get drunk, and then they don't call paramedics because they're like, uh-oh, we're in trouble.

00:20:46.000 Oh, that happened to a girl I knew. 0.99

00:20:47.000 She had alcohol poisoning.

00:20:48.000 Actually, she did get taken to the hospital, thank God, and she survived.

00:20:51.000 There are campuses that have specific, like, if you call us, you will not get in trouble rules because this is such a problem.

00:20:56.000 There was a huge coalition of college presidents led by the president of Dartmouth saying, binge drinking is such a problem.

00:21:03.000 We need to lower the drinking age because you need to be with your parents at home when you're first being introduced to alcohol.

00:21:09.000 And then you learn to drink responsibly as opposed to this culture that's like, I need to get wasted before I go to the bar because I may not be able to drink again.

00:21:16.000 And I want to be able to keep up.

00:21:17.000 That's what they do in Europe.

00:21:19.000 But the drinking age is like a lot lower in Europe.

00:21:21.000 That's what I mean.

00:21:21.000 No, that's what I mean.

00:21:22.000 Like, the drinking age is lower, and it's not- It's graduated.

00:21:25.000 They'll say, like, beer at this age, hard liquor at this age.

00:21:27.000 Yeah, or like a little watered-down wine at a special occasion.

00:21:30.000 It's not quite so, like, off-limits.

00:21:32.000 Yeah.

00:21:32.000 So people don't crave it quite so much.

00:21:34.000 Like, it's not a one-to-one correlation, but kids are allowed to have wine in church.

00:21:39.000 Not like you're guzzling it, but... In Texas, you can drink at the age of 16 if your parent is present.

00:21:45.000 Yeah, that's true in Wisconsin too, I think.

00:21:46.000 There are a couple states that have that culture, where again, like, if you are at a restaurant with your parent, you might be able to get a drink.

00:21:52.000 I don't know the legality of it, but we create a culture that teaches people to drink responsibly as opposed to see it as a substance that you're not going to be able to get, so you might as well basically kill yourself.

00:22:01.000 This is a good one, we should read this.

00:22:03.000 It says, an opinion piece published in Bloomberg last week described the move by Bud Light as setting a new low in corporate courage.

00:22:11.000 Quote, kicking a political hornet's nest for clicks and giggles before running away is no way to elevate a brand or promote a cause, wrote Ben Schlott, the publication's advertising and brands columnist.

00:22:21.000 Like, I think the important thing to point out is that y'all actually had Joe Rogan the first week.

00:22:28.000 Then you double down in this weird way and now Joe Rogan is, he's in the fray. 0.99

00:22:33.000 And he's like, okay, this is really stupid now. 0.97

00:22:34.000 They let some young activist marketing VP make the weird, you know, sell the beer to, Dylan sell the beer to his audience. 0.99

00:22:42.000 And then they realize, oops.

00:22:44.000 And then probably what happened was like the CEO of the company's like, we're doing what we used to do.

00:22:48.000 Make, get the horse. 1.00

00:22:50.000 We gotta open the stable, get the horse.

00:22:52.000 They should've just come out and been like, hey, we're sorry for sponsoring this influencer.

00:22:56.000 We weren't aware that it would trigger such a divisive reaction.

00:22:59.000 We won't do it again.

00:23:01.000 Or lean into it so hard.

00:23:02.000 I mean, you know, one way or the other.

00:23:04.000 Did you see the CEO's statement, though, right after?

00:23:07.000 I think that's what primed me for being insulted by the video, is he released this statement, and he's like, we didn't mean to step into such a controversial issue.

00:23:14.000 And I was like, do you live under a rock?

00:23:16.000 Do you not realize that choosing this political activist based on the identity is going to spark an enormous controversy?

00:23:28.000 I don't believe the reports that say that, oh, this was a rogue employee or this wasn't approved.

00:23:32.000 No, someone in a decision-making power at a corporation like that knew about this.

00:23:36.000 I say it like this, it would be no different politically if they sponsored Alex Jones.

00:23:41.000 It's not that Dylan Mulvaney is just trans, some people don't like, or I don't think Dylan Mulvaney actually is trans, I think Dylan Mulvaney is actually insulting and hurting trans people, but that's a separate issue.

00:23:51.000 If they, if Dylan Mulvaney is a hyper-polarizing figure who is either despised or beloved, Alex Jones, very similar.

00:23:59.000 Absolutely despised by the left, beloved by the right.

00:24:02.000 Bud Light probably shouldn't be entering the fray in politics to this degree with these kinds of personalities.

00:24:08.000 And I really, I agree, I think they knew exactly what was going to happen.

00:24:12.000 It's possible that some people didn't, which is equally as freaky to me.

00:24:16.000 But what I mean is, I don't think they expected this level of chaos.

00:24:19.000 No, yeah, no way.

00:24:20.000 I think they thought they were going to get a ton of attention.

00:24:23.000 They could stop it in a second, though.

00:24:25.000 I was saying this on my show the other day.

00:24:27.000 I said they underestimate how forgiving conservatives are, because we're not the ones that engage in cancel culture, right?

00:24:34.000 We just, in this case, don't want to vote with our money.

00:24:37.000 We're not saying, oh, we're going to write you off for life.

00:24:38.000 If they came out and said, hey, please forgive us.

00:24:40.000 We're sorry.

00:24:40.000 We won't do this again.

00:24:41.000 We realize that it's not in alignment with what our values have been and what your values are.

00:24:45.000 Then we would all be like, oh, OK, no problem.

00:24:47.000 We actually forgive you if you truly repent.

00:24:50.000 But the fact that their CEO was just like, we didn't know that we were being this way.

00:24:54.000 But I want to clarify that.

00:24:56.000 People on the culture war right, post-liberals, libertarian, etc., absolutely should boycott companies and refuse to partake in their products.

00:25:07.000 That's not cancel culture.

00:25:08.000 I agree.

00:25:08.000 Cancel culture is when you went, hey Budweiser, we just found out that 20 years ago you made a commercial that had an American flag in it, so we are boycotting your product.

00:25:17.000 Cancel culture is when you go to someone's past.

00:25:19.000 I agree.

00:25:20.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:25:21.000 Conservatives are forgiving.

00:25:21.000 This isn't cancel culture.

00:25:23.000 This is just momentary consequences for their behavior.

00:25:26.000 And so it's not a forever thing.

00:25:28.000 At this point, I plan never to buy anything Anheuser-Busch ever again.

00:25:32.000 But if they come out and apologize for it, I'd be like, okay, sure, yeah.

00:25:35.000 I said this in Austin.

00:25:36.000 If they came out that Friday and said, we're really sorry for sponsoring this individual.

00:25:41.000 We did not realize how divisive this would turn out to be.

00:25:44.000 We won't do it again.

00:25:45.000 We respect and love all of our customers and those who enjoy Bud Light.

00:25:49.000 Let's get back to just having beers with each other and not being politically divisive.

00:25:54.000 We're sorry.

00:25:55.000 I would have got up on stage and I would have yelled, woo, Bud Light's for everybody.

00:25:58.000 I'm the house.

00:25:59.000 I'm buying.

00:26:00.000 I would have immediately went out and I don't even drink.

00:26:02.000 Do you think they're afraid of the backlash from the other side of this?

00:26:05.000 Like, if you say- Whoopi Goldberg threatened them!

00:26:06.000 Right!

00:26:07.000 And if you say, like, we won't do this- we won't ever do this again, like, what are you saying?

00:26:10.000 Are you saying you won't have a trans person?

00:26:13.000 Are you saying you won't have someone whose audience primarily teenagers?

00:26:16.000 Are you saying it's part of the- like, I think so many of these issues are- They won't sponsor Dylan Mulvaney again.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, but is that enough?

00:26:21.000 Is that going to seem like a direct threat to the other side of the aisle?

00:26:26.000 Well, I don't care.

00:26:27.000 I mean, the other side of the aisle, 20-year-olds and teenagers aren't buying Bud Light.

00:26:32.000 So they've decided to alienate their entire market in an effort to attract teenagers?

00:26:41.000 What? 0.99

00:26:41.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

00:26:42.000 This is what I said. 0.98

00:26:43.000 You have the ages of 21 to 80.

00:26:47.000 Okay, where you're marketing beer to these people at barbecues, at picnics, at sporting events.

00:26:52.000 And they said, the woman actually came out and made a video where she was like, we need a new younger audience.

00:26:56.000 And it's like, you're at best targeting 21 to 24 year olds.

00:27:01.000 So you're going to take those three years over the entire human lifespan that you're sacrificing your entire, doesn't make sense.

00:27:07.000 You're talking a little bit like a businessman that knows more than I think that the Anheuser-Busch people know, because you're looking at it just from a revenue, like, marketing standpoint.

00:27:16.000 I think there's more at play than just making a business decision.

00:27:19.000 Impact investment.

00:27:20.000 Yeah, I think that the ESG stuff, like, behind the scenes, they're getting incredible pressure, especially because they have been somewhat of a patriotic company or tried to appeal to patriotic people in the past.

00:27:30.000 Like, they're getting incredible pressure from these ESG systems now, these ESG metrics, to be woke, not just environmentally, but on social issues.

00:27:39.000 That's why we saw all those companies, like, paying for their employees to go to different states for abortions, like, announcing they were going to do that, because that's being a good corporate citizen.

00:27:46.000 That's crazy.

00:27:46.000 It's crazy.

00:27:47.000 It's super crazy.

00:27:47.000 Right?

00:27:48.000 And that's the same with this.

00:27:49.000 I mean, I think this plays into it more in the sketch, where the woman asks for maternity leave, and they're like, no, but we'll fly you there to abort the baby. 0.75

00:27:57.000 Like, we won't give you time off.

00:27:57.000 Yeah.

00:27:59.000 We won't give you any extra money.

00:28:00.000 You can't have the kid.

00:28:02.000 It just literally made no sense.

00:28:03.000 It's better for us to keep you as a worker, B. That's really what it is.

00:28:08.000 The cost of maternity leave for a corporation is greater than the cost of the abortion. 0.61

00:28:12.000 So these corporations were offering to pay for women to travel out of state to get an abortion because it saves them money in the long run. 1.00

00:28:18.000 That's insane.

00:28:18.000 It's because they really care about me.

00:28:20.000 It's because they want me to be happy.

00:28:22.000 They want you to be a CEO.

00:28:24.000 Get out of your chair, Tim.

00:28:25.000 I'm moving in.

00:28:27.000 No, but I do think that with Anheuser-Busch, I'd be really curious to know what the internal conversations are like, right?

00:28:32.000 Like, I think you're right.

00:28:32.000 There are a lot of outside organizations that will lobby and pressure them.

00:28:35.000 But I would also like to know what the culture is among employees.

00:28:39.000 Like, have they been specifically recruiting, you know, progressive LGBT people?

00:28:44.000 Q people who are saying, if you say that you won't sponsor Dylan Mulvaney again, we will, you know, turn on you.

00:28:50.000 Well, I don't know what employees do at beer companies, but, you know, become incredibly difficult.

00:28:55.000 They must be getting a lot of very strange pressure from a lot of different directions.

00:28:58.000 This was Alyssa Heiner Schade is the woman who made the call on this whole ad campaign. 0.99

00:29:06.000 And she said in her, in her initial, in that video where she was talking about that, it was about inclusivity and we want to be inclusive.

00:29:12.000 And then, and she said, repeated it.

00:29:13.000 So like, what does this word even mean if you're using it multiple times?

00:29:16.000 But that was the, it's like brainwash, kind of like this brainwashing of like, but before we move on, I want to mention one more thing.

00:29:21.000 Well, we may have breaking news on this subject.

00:29:22.000 So, uh, before we go into whatever that was, uh, you may want to mention it.

00:29:27.000 We have this tweet from Clay Travis, someone actually just super chatted.

00:29:30.000 Clay Travis tweets, Bud Light has fired the marketing VP who greenlit the Dylan Mulvaney advertisement.

00:29:36.000 I'm not going to read what he said, uh, as the brand sales continue to tank.

00:29:40.000 That's Alyssa.

00:29:41.000 That's the woman I was just talking about. 1.00

00:29:42.000 Is she the one that criticized Bud Light's brand for being too fratty, but then on that other video of her surface being kind of fratty?

00:29:48.000 How did she get her job? 0.73

00:29:48.000 Yes. 0.73

00:29:50.000 This girl doesn't even like the company she works for. 1.00

00:29:52.000 That's a good question.

00:29:54.000 Why are people like that getting jobs and making calls like this that are costing companies billions?

00:29:58.000 Who hired her who's like, this girl who doesn't seem to like it here is the future of our marketing phase. 0.99

00:30:02.000 I'm also surprised she didn't get fired sooner, but that should tell you that they are really struggling.

00:30:06.000 Play Traffic is tweeting it.

00:30:07.000 We'll see if we get more confirmation on that.

00:30:09.000 So I wanted to clarify that there's a difference between boycotting and canceling.

00:30:13.000 In no way has this become a cancel movement against Budweiser.

00:30:16.000 This is a boycott against Budweiser.

00:30:17.000 Canceling is when you say, don't let them on that platform.

00:30:22.000 Boycotting is when you say, everyone mute that account.

00:30:25.000 That's different.

00:30:25.000 You can ignore corporations.

00:30:28.000 That's boycotting them. 0.96

00:30:29.000 But when you demand that they're not allowed to participate, that's when you're attempting to cancel.

00:30:34.000 You don't want to cancel.

00:30:35.000 I disagree.

00:30:36.000 That's the bad stuff.

00:30:36.000 I disagree.

00:30:37.000 Boycott all you want.

00:30:38.000 That's market force.

00:30:39.000 But I don't like cancel method.

00:30:40.000 Yeah, we should.

00:30:41.000 We should cancel.

00:30:41.000 Absolutely.

00:30:42.000 But it's not canceling, you misunderstand.

00:30:46.000 Canceling always was a reference to you had Sarah Silverman got fired from a job because

00:30:51.000 ten years prior she made a blackface joke. 0.85

00:30:54.000 That's canceling someone.

00:30:56.000 It's like you were a bad person a long time ago and you are being excised.

00:31:00.000 That's what we were all complaining about.

00:31:02.000 Like, that guy made a joke, and then, you know, Mike Cernovich came out and pointed out that James Gunn had made off-color jokes ten years prior, and then he got booted temporarily.

00:31:11.000 That was cancel culture.

00:31:13.000 The left, saying something like, hey, this company supports this guy currently right now, we don't like that, we're boycotting, is just a boycott.

00:31:21.000 The right, saying Bud Light sponsored someone we don't like, that's a boycott.

00:31:24.000 We need to be saying to these companies, we will not give you money if you're doing things that are bad.

00:31:29.000 Yeah, that's boycotting.

00:31:30.000 Saying, I won't give you the things, but saying, Twitter, don't let Budweiser on your platform anymore.

00:31:35.000 That's a cancel move.

00:31:37.000 That's the wrong way.

00:31:38.000 Oh, well, I don't think anybody's doing that, though.

00:31:39.000 No, they're not.

00:31:40.000 This is all about boycotting.

00:31:41.000 What do you call when, because I agree, the clarification, but I think there's a third element of it, too, and that's the de-platforming when a social media company,

00:31:48.000 it's like what they tried to do to President Trump on Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram,

00:31:52.000 where they called his words violence or whatever they called it,

00:31:56.000 and then they kicked him off in an attempt to cancel him.

00:31:59.000 That's also cancel culture, not just based on something they dug up,

00:32:02.000 but based on the fact that they were trying to perfectly silence him.

00:32:04.000 And I think cancel culture can go even more extreme, right?

00:32:06.000 You know of people who lose their bank accounts, they're not allowed to use PayPal, like they are unpersoned from things that interact with the internet or in some way connect to social media or basically make it possible to exist in society, right?

00:32:19.000 That's cancel culture at the extreme.

00:32:21.000 I think saying like, I won't buy your product, that's a boycott, right?

00:32:24.000 Saying, I'm going to block this person, that's not canceling them, that's just saying, I don't want to attract them.

00:32:28.000 But like, cancel culture has become such a normal that it naturally has ramped up and can become incredibly dangerous.

00:32:36.000 For me, cancel culture is the unpersoning of someone, making it so they basically cannot exist in mainstream society.

00:32:42.000 Yeah, it's a violation of the equality of opportunity.

00:32:45.000 Yeah.

00:32:46.000 It's a smear on the United States and everything it stands for.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, versus boycotting is saying you can be in the market, but I don't want to do a market-based transaction with you.

00:32:55.000 And I will encourage 100 million people to also not do a market-based transaction.

00:32:58.000 And I liked what you said before.

00:32:58.000 I mean, I think it's true conservatives sort of lack direction in boycotts.

00:33:02.000 I think they are quick to forgive, and sometimes I think that's part of...

00:33:06.000 The thematic Christianity that follows a lot of conservatives.

00:33:10.000 They believe that if you repent, you deserve forgiveness, but really people say, I'm sorry and keep doing the bad thing.

00:33:16.000 We have confirmation from Ad Age, Bud Light's marketing leadership undergoes shakeup after Dylan Mulvaney controversy.

00:33:22.000 Alyssa Heinerscheid, who has led the brand since June, takes a leave of absence and is replaced by Budweiser Global Marketing VP Todd Allen.

00:33:31.000 So not fired, leave of absence.

00:33:33.000 Wow.

00:33:34.000 This is a huge move on the part of Anheuser-Busch.

00:33:38.000 AdAge, of course, for everybody wondering, is NewsGuard certified.

00:33:41.000 100 out of 100, this is hard confirmation that this woman has been temporarily removed from her position. 1.00

00:33:48.000 This means it is 100 times worse than what you think it is.

00:33:53.000 It looks like they brought in the big guy.

00:33:55.000 Global marketing VP, I guess, would be far superior to Alyssa, who is like... Probably U.S., domestic. 0.91

00:34:01.000 Oh boy, YouTube's not going to be happy about this one.

00:34:03.000 You see, and this is my point.

00:34:05.000 There is no way they made a move this bold because you know when you're working in corporate and you've got marketing people and PR people, they're going to say, you do this, it is dropping a boulder in a lake.

00:34:17.000 It is going to ripple out.

00:34:19.000 Everyone's going to be talking about it.

00:34:20.000 You are reigniting the story, but they knew they had to do it.

00:34:23.000 That's how bad it was.

00:34:25.000 That says to me.

00:34:26.000 It is extremely likely, as I mentioned earlier, as I believe, that they went to YouTube and said, take these videos down or else.

00:34:34.000 What if it was a coordinated effort, and they were like, listen, for our business, we have to fire the people that did this, or we're not going to recover our revenue, but at the same time, we want to serve this leftist agenda or our ESG score, so how about you remove all the criticism of Dylan Mulvaney, we remove our marketing team, and it evens out?

00:34:53.000 I don't, that makes no sense.

00:34:55.000 Like, there's no strategy here.

00:34:57.000 The fact that they are removing this woman, she's taking a leave of absence, maybe it was of her own volition, but not apologizing says a lot.

00:35:05.000 Which is where you're probably right, that they don't want to besmirch the good name of ESG, but they know they're reeling from it.

00:35:13.000 And it'll be interesting- Right, so then the two moves maybe can- if they did- if they did pressure YouTube at the same time to be like, hey, we're gonna- if you don't remove this stuff, and then also this, then they can be like, well, we did both!

00:35:22.000 We're serving both!

00:35:23.000 Yeah, it'll be interesting- Man, it would've been way easier- oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:35:25.000 Oh, no, I was just gonna say, it'd be interesting if she quietly comes back, you know, she's going on leave of absence, doing Terminator, or like in six months when they think this has calmed down.

00:35:32.000 Because you're completely right, Tim, like, their sales are hurting, and it's the beginning of the second quarter of the year, like, they need to Fix this as quickly as possible so it doesn't carry in.

00:35:41.000 I mean, I can only imagine that summer is a pretty intense sales time for beer, right?

00:35:46.000 Like, they don't want to go into their second quarter, which is probably a serious sales quarter for them, with this boycott still in place.

00:35:53.000 And I really just don't think a leave of absence is enough, right?

00:35:56.000 Like, I don't want to advocate for anyone to get fired.

00:35:59.000 On the other hand, she has really hurt the company.

00:36:01.000 If they quietly sneak her back in in June, it's not going to look good.

00:36:05.000 Hmm.

00:36:07.000 It might be a legal thing.

00:36:09.000 It'll be interesting to watch.

00:36:10.000 It'll be interesting to see if people keep watching to see if she exits the company or if she's reinstated. 0.89

00:36:15.000 Yeah, and I'm sure they're like, she's a female executive. 1.00

00:36:18.000 We can't just fire her over this.

00:36:20.000 Like, that will hurt us as well.

00:36:22.000 I'm scrambling to learn more about it right now, but it's just such fresh knowledge.

00:36:26.000 I don't know much to say about it yet.

00:36:28.000 You know, my compassion is there for this girl, but still, you know.

00:36:33.000 The market demands, you know, you gotta follow the market.

00:36:36.000 And you're responsible for your decisions, right?

00:36:38.000 So this news is coming out on a Friday.

00:36:40.000 PR 101.

00:36:40.000 Obviously.

00:36:42.000 Let the story die.

00:36:43.000 But they tried this last week.

00:36:45.000 It did not work.

00:36:46.000 They're trying it again.

00:36:47.000 It will not work.

00:36:48.000 I'll tell you what's gonna happen.

00:36:49.000 Monday morning, first thing, there will be a wave of political commentary talking about just this.

00:36:55.000 The old rules don't work anymore.

00:36:57.000 It used to be that by Monday there was different news and the news outlets were like, What story should we run, guys?

00:37:03.000 And the editor comes into the room and he's like, here's a bunch of stories that happened over the weekend, here's what we got from last night.

00:37:08.000 What about that story from Friday?

00:37:09.000 That's old news.

00:37:10.000 Now, there's too much online.

00:37:14.000 So there's gonna be a ton of people who are gonna be like, here's what you missed last weekend, and they're going to start with the biggest story.

00:37:20.000 Bud Light has, for whatever reason, either of her own volition or otherwise, she has been removed from her position.

00:37:27.000 So, uh, well, next Monday morning we're gonna have news on this and everyone's gonna want to know.

00:37:32.000 They need to just apologize.

00:37:35.000 Bud, just apologize.

00:37:36.000 Just say we're sorry for sponsoring Dylan Mulvaney.

00:37:38.000 We're sorry.

00:37:39.000 We won't do it again.

00:37:40.000 But you gotta say why you're sorry.

00:37:42.000 Yeah, agreed.

00:37:45.000 I think if Anheuser-Busch came out and said we literally did not understand the political ramifications of what this person means to people in this country, we did not understand that it was a highly hyper-polarizing issue, we do not... Here's what I'd say.

00:37:58.000 I'd say, first, I'd say to all of our loyal Bud Light fans and drinkers, I am deeply sorry that we sponsored an individual that was off-putting and offensive to you.

00:38:08.000 We didn't mean to do that.

00:38:10.000 We did not realize how strongly people felt about this because we did not know the context around this story and this individual, so here's what we're gonna do.

00:38:18.000 We are going to rescind the sponsorship.

00:38:20.000 We will strive to avoid this kind of thing again.

00:38:23.000 We just want people to come together over an ice-cold brew and celebrate with each other, and if this didn't accomplish that, we screwed up.

00:38:30.000 Please forgive us.

00:38:31.000 Would you buy Bud Light if they said that?

00:38:32.000 Yes.

00:38:33.000 Really?

00:38:34.000 Absolutely.

00:38:34.000 I think there are people who wouldn't.

00:38:35.000 I think they would say, like, if you didn't know he was a polarizing figure, then you are still lying.

00:38:40.000 Then the damage is done.

00:38:41.000 Yeah.

00:38:42.000 But what they're playing right now is do nothing, say nothing, and hope it goes away.

00:38:46.000 And it's getting worse.

00:38:47.000 Well, this is going to be the debate in conservative circles over the course of the next week is what to do because they fired this woman and whether the boycott should- Whoa, we don't know she's fired. 0.98

00:38:57.000 Leave of absence.

00:38:57.000 She's a leave of absence.

00:38:58.000 Right.

00:38:59.000 Leave of absence at a corporation.

00:38:59.000 Okay.

00:39:00.000 We know what that means.

00:39:02.000 She may have said, guys, I'm stepping down.

00:39:04.000 I can't be involved in this, right?

00:39:07.000 They could have gone there and said, we want you to take a leave of absence.

00:39:07.000 Possibly.

00:39:10.000 We don't know for sure.

00:39:11.000 And like I said, what if she comes back?

00:39:13.000 Like, what if they're like, yeah, she's hanging on the background.

00:39:15.000 There won't be a news story about it if she does.

00:39:16.000 Right.

00:39:17.000 They'll do it as quietly as possible.

00:39:18.000 And then I feel like conservators are gonna have to be like, oh, wait, they just completely took back the person who I assume had the most authority to let this happen.

00:39:27.000 Like, what does that say about the company?

00:39:30.000 I can speak for myself here, and I would not buy Anheuser-Busch products unless they not only issued an apology that actually said, we apologize, but they stated that what they did, and named what they did, was wrong.

00:39:42.000 Not just we stepped in it, not just we didn't realize it was a hot button issue, but they had to say, we're sorry for sponsoring this person, we're sorry because it violates your values, we understand that, we ask for your forgiveness, moving on, we're not going to do that again.

00:39:56.000 That, I'm happy to forgive them if they say that, but if they just keep doing the things that they're doing, I'm done.

00:40:04.000 Yeah, I want to see them specify that his audience is very young, too young, and they didn't realize how young his audience was, and that was a gross misconduct on their part.

00:40:13.000 Also, it's InBev.

00:40:14.000 A.B.

00:40:14.000 InBev is the company that owns Anheuser-Busch.

00:40:17.000 InBev owes the humanity an apology for trying to sell their beer to kids.

00:40:17.000 A.B.

00:40:23.000 Someone said they saw a video saying Bud Light is being sued.

00:40:26.000 They are being sued.

00:40:27.000 They're being sued by America First Legal for racist hiring practices.

00:40:30.000 So they just opened a can of worms on this one.

00:40:33.000 I think the issue is, especially with that lawsuit, Bud Light is the easiest culture war issue for the average person.

00:40:41.000 There's no brand loyalty to watered-down beer.

00:40:46.000 The beer for people who don't want to drink beer but want to drink a lot of it.

00:40:49.000 There's a bunch of options for alcoholic water.

00:40:52.000 There's hard seltzer.

00:40:53.000 There's, uh, you know, other light beers.

00:40:56.000 I'm not gonna... I'll try not to avoid insulting the other beers that are doing fine because they didn't engage in this practice.

00:41:01.000 But really, I think the issue is Dylan Mulvaney is nails on a chalkboard to many people.

00:41:08.000 That's why there's no boycott right now over Jack Daniels or Coors.

00:41:12.000 Other companies have done pride promotions.

00:41:15.000 Dylan Mulvaney specifically is a very grating individual who deeply offends a lot of people for a variety of reasons.

00:41:21.000 And I think the transgender issue is just one small aspect.

00:41:26.000 I think it's the political aspect people hyper-focus on.

00:41:29.000 But I think for a lot of people it's just the, I really do think it's the narcissistic personality disorder, and I would give the Price is Right video as an example of it.

00:41:38.000 People were deeply bothered by Dylan Mulvaney on the Price is Right, and Dylan in that video is just some guy, like not trans, not expressing any ideology, but people are saying, look at this behavior, it's off-putting, it's shocking, it's offensive, it's wrong, it's narcissistic.

00:41:53.000 That carries through, and I actually think that Dylan Mulvaney uses Trans people as a shield for this, while simultaneously making them look bad.

00:42:04.000 Like, there are people that we shout out periodically who are trans themselves, who are great people that we love and respect.

00:42:11.000 Dylan Mulvaney is... So long as Dylan Mulvaney is the most prominent individual claiming to be trans, it is going to be very, very difficult for run-of-the-mill regular trans people to be taken seriously.

00:42:23.000 That's something that I find deeply offensive.

00:42:25.000 That Dylan Mulvaney, I'll say it again, hiking heels in the forest?

00:42:30.000 Yeah.

00:42:30.000 And there are people, conservatives, who've never met a trans person, who see that and they're like, that's what this is?

00:42:36.000 It's like, no, no, no, no, hang out with Blair White.

00:42:38.000 Blair's amazing, super cool.

00:42:40.000 That does not represent who these people are. 0.79

00:42:42.000 But now, YouTube is shutting down people who are critical of that, and it's almost like YouTube hates trans people too.

00:42:50.000 Or they're, I think it comes down to, YouTube really doesn't care.

00:42:54.000 They're just like, whatever makes us money, I literally don't care if Dylan Mulvaney is the worst example of a person in media who is insulting women and trans people at the same time.

00:43:06.000 If it makes us money, just take the action.

00:43:08.000 Well, it's also the phrase you said, I think, is key for a lot of women. 1.00

00:43:11.000 And that is a very insulting portrayal of a quote, unquote, woman. 0.55

00:43:17.000 Right?

00:43:17.000 Like, think about the very first Days of Girlhood video, where sitting behind the keyboard being like, OK, my first day of being a woman, I wrote an angry email that I didn't send.

00:43:28.000 I cried a couple of times.

00:43:30.000 All these very misogynistic stereotypes of a woman.

00:43:35.000 I saw that, and I was like, excuse me?

00:43:37.000 I've been a woman for 33 years.

00:43:38.000 I haven't done any of that.

00:43:39.000 But you know what?

00:43:40.000 People who hate women accuse women of behaving like that. 0.96

00:43:44.000 And what if Dylan Mulvaney said, my first day of womanhood, I went to the kitchen, made a sandwich and did the dishes and folded the laundry.

00:43:52.000 Like, what's the difference?

00:43:53.000 It's the same stereotype insult.

00:43:55.000 I mean, I think part of it is like, Is this the type of humor where you think, oh, I'm relating to you by also negging on myself, but the reality is you are not experiencing these things.

00:44:04.000 It's a similar stereotyping that bothers me when people say, oh, well, we have this son, but he thinks he's transgender, and so we socially transitioned him, and it's like, your 12-year-old is wearing so much eyeshadow, I can't see his face, and tons of eyeliner, like, I wouldn't let my 12-year-old daughter do that.

00:44:20.000 You are taking parts of being female and inappropriately applying them to a situation in a lot of ways but also like the weird or like the parts of like mature female adulthood like it just doesn't make sense and it's okay in some cases and not in others.

00:44:34.000 Like no woman that I've ever met, no woman that I've ever met behaves the way that Dylan Mulvaney does.

00:44:39.000 Right.

00:44:39.000 And no woman would be accepted in a professional setting or taken seriously if she behaved that way.

00:44:44.000 But additionally, Most trans people don't behave that way. 0.99

00:44:49.000 I think one of the issues that we're dealing with in popular culture is the highlighting of key individuals who are clearly bad examples. 0.79

00:44:57.000 There was a video that went viral the other day of a trans person threatening extreme violence, and that's like one crazy person.

00:45:03.000 You then have the Nashville incident, you have the extreme examples of narcissism from people like Dylan Mulvaney, and then you have many other people that I mentioned we know and care about who don't behave like that at all.

00:45:13.000 So the issue for me is, if someone is experiencing a mental illness or mental disorder of any type, we want that person to get help.

00:45:22.000 Some people have a multitude of disorders and illnesses in different areas.

00:45:27.000 I'm not going to lump them all together.

00:45:28.000 I'm going to say, here's an individual who is experiencing this disorder or mental illness and they'll be treated in this way, and then you get a combination of a few who are either threatening extreme violence.

00:45:39.000 I'm not going to blame the person on the left for the actions of the person on the right.

00:45:43.000 You know what I'm trying to say?

00:45:45.000 This distinction that you're making is perhaps between people who suffer from gender dysphoria versus people who have been captured by the ideology.

00:45:54.000 We were talking about this right before we went on air.

00:45:56.000 This is what I'm speaking about at James Madison University on Wednesday.

00:45:59.000 It's why the radical trans activists are agitating before I get there.

00:46:02.000 Because I'm talking about the ideology of transgenderism.

00:46:06.000 Doesn't have anything to do with the surgeries, anything to do with the pharmaceuticals, doesn't have anything to do with the biology, nothing like that per se.

00:46:13.000 It's that queer theory, which a lot of people haven't heard about, queer theory is actually the ideological underpinning of this movement to capture vulnerable youth.

00:46:25.000 The vulnerability might be any number of things, whether it's abuse, whether it's other, these comorbidities, whatever it might be, the vulnerability is there.

00:46:33.000 This ideology comes in and says, hey, you don't feel right about something.

00:46:36.000 You feel unhappy.

00:46:38.000 The solution is to disassociate yourself from your previous identity and to take on this new identity and said it'll solve all your problems.

00:46:48.000 And I think that the distinction that you make between people that Exactly.

00:46:54.000 Dylan Mulvaney pushes the ideology without... I think it's very, very obvious.

00:47:02.000 If we're talking about someone who's suffering from gender dysphoria, an individual who looks in the mirror and experiences anxiety and this, like, mental anguish over a misalignment between their perception and their body, that's gender dysphoria. 0.52

00:47:15.000 Dylan Mulvaney goes on camera and yells about their body and says, look at my bulge and things like that.

00:47:21.000 Which, when I've asked people who are actually experiencing gender dysphoria, they're like, a person with dysphoria would not yell to 10 million people, look at my male body parts, because that would trigger their dysphoria.

00:47:33.000 And so then there's questions about autogynephilia and autoandrophilia.

00:47:37.000 But Dylan Mulvaney seems to be just an individual who desperately wants to be famous, as the example being Ellen DeGeneres and the Price is Right video.

00:47:45.000 So that's even outside of the ideology.

00:47:48.000 That's fame desperation.

00:47:50.000 But I agree with you.

00:47:51.000 You're right.

00:47:52.000 There was a period where many trans people were actually being cancelled by gender activists.

00:47:59.000 I guess we refer to it as gender ideology or critical gender theory or something like that.

00:48:03.000 There was this period where there were a lot of trans people saying there are only two sexes.

00:48:07.000 Hence, if you're trans, you transition to the other. 1.00

00:48:10.000 But the younger generation with Z, Zim, Zer, and Neo pronouns believe there's a plethora of genders, in which case transition can be from any gender that you made up.

00:48:19.000 That's the ideological part of it.

00:48:20.000 Right.

00:48:21.000 Which is at odds with someone who's dysphoric.

00:48:23.000 Right.

00:48:24.000 It's like, it's like, the way that I compare it is, you know, take it back three or four years ago, and we saw in our schools when it came to, like, the Black Lives Matter riots and the racial tension that was in our country, we saw our children being taught this poisonous stuff.

00:48:36.000 Like, if you're a white child, that you're inherently racist based on the color of your skin.

00:48:39.000 If you're a black child, you're oppressed based on the color of your skin.

00:48:41.000 And we all kind of pointed to that and said, wait a second, that's not right.

00:48:43.000 Like, that's bad.

00:48:44.000 We don't want our kids being taught that.

00:48:46.000 And it took a little bit of time to unpack the fact that this wasn't some random poisonous ideology, that this was critical race theory.

00:48:53.000 It was the principles of critical race theory that were being taught, not being taught as CRT, but being taught with this ideological underpinning.

00:49:02.000 And when we started realizing, when those of us on the right started realizing that, the left said, no, critical race theory is just teaching accurate history.

00:49:09.000 It's just making sure that Children know the evils of slavery.

00:49:12.000 And we were like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:49:14.000 Critical race theory is the grandchild of critical theory, which is a neo-Marxist ideology.

00:49:20.000 That exact same thing, that exact same trajectory is happening with queer theory and with this epidemic of people identifying as transgender. 0.69

00:49:30.000 We see this happening in schools.

00:49:31.000 We're like, we don't want our kindergartners being taught about sex, about gender identity. We don't want these groomer teachers. We

00:49:37.000 identified that we don't like that and we're just now as a society being like, wait a second, 0.94

00:49:41.000 this is not just some random garbage that's being taught. These are the outgrowth of queer 1.00

00:49:46.000 theory. It's the principles of the underlying ideology and that's where we are right now. I

00:49:51.000 want to jump to a somewhat different but similar story or a similar vein.

00:49:55.000 This is from TimCast.com.

00:49:57.000 Texas passes legislation requiring Ten Commandments to be displayed in every classroom.

00:50:02.000 The bill's sponsor says the Ten Commandments are part of American tradition.

00:50:06.000 Under SB 1515, which just passed the Senate by a 17-12 vote, every public elementary or secondary school must prominently display a durable copy or framed copy of the Ten Commandments that is at least 16 inches wide and 20 inches tall.

00:50:20.000 The display must also be legible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom.

00:50:25.000 The bill's sponsor, State Senator Phil King, said during a committee hearing on the bill that the Ten Commandments are part of American heritage and that it's time to bring them back into U.S.

00:50:34.000 schools.

00:50:34.000 Oh boy.

00:50:35.000 Wait, this is like, there is no other god before me?

00:50:37.000 No false idols?

00:50:38.000 I mean, the Second Commandment basically says that Christianity is blasphemous. 0.97

00:50:42.000 You're not supposed to worship people.

00:50:45.000 Are they worshiping people?

00:50:46.000 Well, Jesus, people, the Christians worship a human. 0.96

00:50:49.000 And the second commandment... You are incorrect.

00:50:52.000 That's incorrect.

00:50:53.000 Yeah, it's incorrect.

00:50:53.000 Yeah, you shall not make for yourself a carved image, whether it's a human or a thing.

00:50:56.000 You don't worship other people.

00:50:57.000 Right, but Jesus was not a human.

00:50:58.000 Jesus was God.

00:50:59.000 Yeah.

00:50:59.000 In human form.

00:51:01.000 That's what they say, yeah.

00:51:02.000 They say he's a human that was also God.

00:51:03.000 They put him on a pedestal.

00:51:04.000 But at the same time.

00:51:05.000 The hypostatic nature.

00:51:06.000 Exactly.

00:51:06.000 The hypostatic union.

00:51:08.000 It defies the second commandment.

00:51:09.000 You're not supposed to worship other people.

00:51:11.000 No, but he's God.

00:51:12.000 He is fully God and fully human at the same time, so you worship fully God.

00:51:16.000 The word for it is hypostatic union, because you cannot separate the two.

00:51:19.000 So, worshipping Jesus... I'm Catholic, that's why I know this.

00:51:23.000 Worshipping Jesus, you are worshipping God. 0.95

00:51:24.000 He is the Son of God.

00:51:25.000 He is part of the Trinity.

00:51:26.000 Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one, three in one.

00:51:29.000 So it's not worshipping a person, it is worshipping God.

00:51:32.000 It's worshipping a person, God, and the Spirit all at once, so it is a person.

00:51:37.000 No, no, no.

00:51:38.000 Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all three.

00:51:41.000 All three.

00:51:41.000 It's three in one.

00:51:42.000 It's the Trinity.

00:51:42.000 It is God.

00:51:44.000 God took the form of a man to come to earth as Jesus Christ, but it's not separated.

00:51:50.000 It's not like, oh, his body was human and his spirit was God.

00:51:54.000 He was both fully God and fully man.

00:51:56.000 So worshiping Jesus is worshiping God.

00:51:57.000 And I don't want to argue.

00:51:59.000 I want to talk about the political.

00:52:00.000 This is a whole different podcast.

00:52:01.000 I want to talk about the political and philosophical.

00:52:04.000 Let's do it.

00:52:05.000 This is wild.

00:52:05.000 For those that- I think we should tell you what the Ten Commandments are so you can understand what they want to put in schools.

00:52:10.000 I love the first one.

00:52:11.000 One, no other gods before me.

00:52:13.000 You shall have no other gods before me.

00:52:15.000 Two, you shall not make for yourself a carved image.

00:52:18.000 Is that, uh, No False Idols, I believe?

00:52:20.000 Yeah.

00:52:21.000 Three is, you shall not take the name of your Lord God in vain.

00:52:24.000 Now this one's interesting.

00:52:25.000 Because what was explained to me, I think this was Prager who explained this, that a lot of people think it means you can't just say something like, oh my God, because you're using it for no reason.

00:52:35.000 But what he described, I could be wrong about if it was him or not, but someone described it as, it would be like declaring war on enemy country and saying God wills it.

00:52:44.000 Yes.

00:52:44.000 You are taking his name to do your bidding, and that's taking his name in vain.

00:52:48.000 Oh my gosh, these super churches make me think that.

00:52:50.000 It's also like, you know the phrase, you know the phrase Lord?

00:52:53.000 Yeah.

00:52:53.000 Lord is actually, like, not the name of God.

00:52:57.000 But in the Old Testament, the Jewish people, God's people, believed that they couldn't say the name.

00:53:02.000 Actually, Jews today still, like, abbreviate. 1.00

00:53:04.000 When they say God, they put a little dash between it, because they couldn't say the name of God, which is Yahweh.

00:53:09.000 So it was four letters, Yahweh.

00:53:11.000 And so they called it Lord as a way of saying it without saying the name of God, because it has such extreme majesty that they couldn't say the name.

00:53:19.000 Let's read some more, because again, I'm not here to teach you the Ten Commandments, everybody, but for the context of... I'll do that, too.

00:53:25.000 This is what they want to put in the schools.

00:53:26.000 You should know this.

00:53:27.000 Four is remember the Sabbath day.

00:53:29.000 Five is honor your father and mother.

00:53:31.000 Six, you shall not murder.

00:53:32.000 Seven, you shall not commit adultery.

00:53:34.000 Eight, you shall not steal.

00:53:35.000 Nine, you shall not bear false witness.

00:53:37.000 Ten, you shall not covet.

00:53:38.000 So this is being passed in Texas.

00:53:40.000 They want this in elementary schools.

00:53:43.000 I guess the question is, If they're putting critical race theory, critical theory, gender ideology in schools, personally, I don't see any difference.

00:53:52.000 And so my response is gonna be, if you are trying to pass Marxism into schools, then I, then, okay, fine, you do that, they do this, what am I arguing?

00:54:01.000 Can I tell you my super-based opinion on this?

00:54:04.000 Sure.

00:54:04.000 Okay, my super-based opinion on this is that this is fabulous and that they should do it, and that it violates nothing about our heritage of law here.

00:54:13.000 So truly in the conservative movement, the Republican Party, there's a difference between how we view laws, right?

00:54:18.000 There's like the libertarian view that's like, we should be able to do whatever we want as long as we don't violate somebody else's fundamental human right.

00:54:23.000 Government should get off my lawn. 1.00

00:54:25.000 And then actual conservatism is not libertarianism.

00:54:28.000 Actual conservatism is like in the style of Edmund Burke, right?

00:54:33.000 Where it's not absolute liberty, it's ordered liberty.

00:54:36.000 Ordered liberty being defined as more like the pursuit of justice.

00:54:40.000 And he defines justice, because you're like, okay, well, what's justice?

00:54:42.000 And he defines justice as original justice, capital O, original justice, meaning rooted in the traditional Judeo-Christian morality.

00:54:53.000 And this is not just something like, oh, okay, I'm a practicing Catholic, I'm coming in here with my religious views.

00:54:56.000 Edmund Burke's philosophy is what our Constitution was based on.

00:55:01.000 James Madison, the father of our Constitution, quoted Edmund Burke.

00:55:05.000 So my belief is that indoctrination is morally neutral.

00:55:08.000 It's not good or bad in and of itself.

00:55:10.000 And there's no such thing as neutrality.

00:55:12.000 Either we are going to be indoctrinating, or they are going to be indoctrinating.

00:55:15.000 So if we don't have this in schools, then Marxism, which I would argue is a form of, like, satanic ideology, then Marxism is going to be in our schools.

00:55:22.000 So I would much rather have this.

00:55:24.000 Do you agree with Ten Commandments in schools?

00:55:26.000 Yeah, I think it's great.

00:55:27.000 I mean, there is an argument.

00:55:29.000 So I think people misinterpret how America treats religion, right?

00:55:34.000 In France, you have freedom from religion.

00:55:35.000 So you're not supposed to wear religious symbols in school.

00:55:38.000 There's controversy over hijab, providing kosher meals, things like that.

00:55:41.000 In America, you have the freedom to practice your religion.

00:55:44.000 However, and I think you're completely right, we're actually a nation that's completely intertwined with Christianity, and so it's not wrong to have the Ten Commandments in schools.

00:55:54.000 I mean, you can reference it in a lot of different ways when you're teaching, right?

00:55:57.000 Like, it's also Such a fundamental part of our life that, like, when we talk about observing the Sabbath, right?

00:56:04.000 Like, this is a case that the Supreme Court has agreed to take on.

00:56:07.000 You have this postal worker from Pennsylvania who said, you know, I'm a practicing evangelical Christian and I observe the Sabbath on Sundays.

00:56:15.000 And when the U.S. 0.67

00:56:16.000 Postal Service started working with Amazon, they said, okay, but our workers have to work on Sunday.

00:56:21.000 And he said, well, I need a religious exemption.

00:56:22.000 And eventually, His postal workers, where he's based, were like, we're not going to, we're going to keep scheduling you for Sundays.

00:56:29.000 We're not going to acknowledge that you need a religious exemption, even though our typical work week does allow for a Sunday Sabbath.

00:56:36.000 They said this is critical to our business and so therefore we are allowed, this is, two judges went through and said, Yeah, they have the right to demand that you work and deny your religion exemption.

00:56:45.000 Well, you have the freedom to practice your religion, right?

00:56:48.000 Like, I think that we are so afraid of religion as a country that we don't learn how to talk about it in a way that's saying, like, you don't have to be a Christian, but you need to understand Christianity to understand the influences it has on our country.

00:57:03.000 So Ian, yes or no, Ten Commandments in schools?

00:57:05.000 It depends on how it's taught, because there's a difference between teaching- Mount it on the walls.

00:57:08.000 That's what they said.

00:57:09.000 There's a difference between teaching about Judaism and indoctrinating people to become Jew.

00:57:12.000 No, I don't like it.

00:57:13.000 It needs context.

00:57:13.000 If they're going to teach it, they need to teach about it and not just make people think this is real.

00:57:17.000 Jew. Okay, hold on. Ian, specific question. They are mounting this. They want this mounted

00:57:22.000 in elementary schools. No, I don't like it. It needs context. If they're going to teach

00:57:25.000 it, they need to teach about it and not just make people think this is real. You're like,

00:57:28.000 you have to be able to choose to believe that this is real.

00:57:30.000 But all they're doing is putting it on the wall. Yeah.

00:57:33.000 Without context, that makes me nervous, man.

00:57:36.000 I'm neutral on it.

00:57:37.000 I certainly understand why Christians and Catholics and many Jewish people probably would be like, yes, this is fantastic.

00:57:44.000 We should have these values instilled to our children.

00:57:46.000 And you're completely right about indoctrination 100%.

00:57:48.000 I would prefer The Ten Commandments over Marxism.

00:57:53.000 So, if someone came to me and said, it's one or the other, I'd be like, oh, Ten Commandments, all the way.

00:57:57.000 But the systems where they're like, hey, here's a really horrible choice, and you're like, I don't want that.

00:58:01.000 They're like, okay, here's a little bit less horrible choice.

00:58:04.000 Want that one instead?

00:58:05.000 You're like, yeah, I guess it's less worse.

00:58:07.000 It doesn't have to be either of them.

00:58:08.000 This is the compromise.

00:58:09.000 No, that's what I don't believe, though.

00:58:11.000 This is the compromise.

00:58:11.000 I don't think there's anything...

00:58:13.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:58:13.000 We're not talking about the school teaching Bible study.

00:58:17.000 They're actually putting Marxism in classroom curriculum.

00:58:20.000 And critical race theory and critical gender theory is literally being put into math problems.

00:58:25.000 This is the compromise.

00:58:27.000 We're going to put it on the wall and say no.

00:58:28.000 I'd like to see the four pillars of Islam.

00:58:31.000 But our country is not based on the four pillars of Islam.

00:58:33.000 Our country is literally based on this.

00:58:34.000 Think about our laws against homicide.

00:58:36.000 Why do we, as a people, recognize that other human beings deserve protection under the law, but like dogs don't or something like that?

00:58:45.000 If you look at morality and think about morality, there's actually no such thing as secular morality.

00:58:49.000 Secular morality is just anarchy.

00:58:51.000 It's just the strongest can dominate the weak.

00:58:53.000 The only reason that we have order in our country right now, even as we are in a chaotic era, is because we have Some acknowledgement at the base level that people have dignity, that people have value, and that order is based on Judeo-Christian values.

00:59:09.000 Now, you don't have to practice those values in your personal life, but it is ahistorical to ignore the fact that our entire system, our entire republic, is based on that.

00:59:17.000 Yeah.

00:59:18.000 Is it any different than having a dictionary in the classroom, right?

00:59:20.000 Like, if you're explaining, hey, fifth grader, these are what the Bill of Rights are like, here's something that influenced that.

00:59:25.000 Like, how is having this resource any different, right?

00:59:29.000 Like, if you want to talk about how it compares to Islam, then yeah, maybe you should bring in some text so students can study it.

00:59:35.000 The truth is, I think Judaism is the most based religion.

00:59:38.000 I think it is phenomenal because it's about your religion, your experience with God directly.

00:59:41.000 You don't need a priest.

00:59:42.000 You don't need any of that.

00:59:43.000 It's you and God.

00:59:44.000 I think that is where it all comes from.

00:59:47.000 All of it.

00:59:47.000 Christianity, Islam, it all comes from Judaism.

00:59:49.000 But I'm following the founding fathers saying church and state should be separate.

00:59:53.000 I don't think they ever said that.

00:59:54.000 That was only in one letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists to assure them that they weren't going to face discrimination from the government for practicing their religion.

01:00:02.000 But the phrase separation of church and state was never part of any founding document, and it's not part of any philosophy about keeping morality out of law.

01:00:11.000 It's only about whether the government can either force you to participate in religious practice or prohibit it.

01:00:15.000 And I'm pretty sure there was also, conversely, a founding father, maybe it was Franklin or Jefferson, that said, you need religion for a society to function properly.

01:00:25.000 Yeah, John Adams said our country was made for moral people and no others.

01:00:28.000 Yes, I see the churches capitalizing on religion.

01:00:30.000 That really bothers me.

01:00:32.000 He's right, though.

01:00:33.000 We talk about this all the time.

01:00:34.000 So the question I've asked is, would the United States be better?

01:00:38.000 Or someone asked us this, would the country be better if it was a Christian theocracy? 1.00

01:00:42.000 And first of all, better, I guess, is subjective.

01:00:44.000 But if you were to talk about, do we want less crime?

01:00:48.000 Do we want a stronger economy?

01:00:49.000 Do we want better health care?

01:00:51.000 If everybody shared the same moral foundations, Everyone's lives would be better.

01:00:57.000 However, I'm not saying which moral foundations.

01:00:59.000 I'm just saying if you had a hundred million people that all agreed communism was perfect, guess what?

01:01:05.000 It would work.

01:01:06.000 The reality is communism doesn't work because no one ever agrees to that great extent.

01:01:11.000 Someone's always got to run a system or whatever.

01:01:12.000 That's why communism doesn't work.

01:01:14.000 But if everybody had a simple moral foundation that was like the Ten Commandments or otherwise, everybody agreed that, you know, there was an afterlife, there was a God, we have to be good stewards of the earth and all that, you'd have to worry a lot less about crime.

01:01:27.000 The issue is, right now, no one believes or fears that there is any consequence to the bad things they do, so we experience more crime and corruption.

01:01:36.000 Were you, Liz, were you taught religion as a kid?

01:01:40.000 Yes, yeah, I was raised in a Catholic home.

01:01:42.000 And then, of course, you get to an age as a young adult where you have to decide, like, okay, am I going to continue in this practice as an adult and own it versus just participate in a family?

01:01:50.000 One more point about this being in schools, though, and this is really interesting if you read the history of public schools in our country.

01:01:55.000 Compulsory public schooling only became a thing in like, I think Massachusetts was the first state to do it in 1836.

01:02:02.000 And the reason that they did that, the reason they had compulsory public schooling was to indoctrinate children in two things, in American values and in Protestant values.

01:02:12.000 Because at that time in our country, there were tons of immigrants coming in our country.

01:02:15.000 A lot of them were Catholic immigrants.

01:02:17.000 And the people in charge of our government at the time were very anti-Catholic.

01:02:20.000 They were very Protestant.

01:02:21.000 And they wanted to form a new generation of children that understood that they shouldn't identify as the country that they came from.

01:02:28.000 They needed to identify as American.

01:02:29.000 So they had to be taught American civics.

01:02:31.000 And they wanted them taught Protestant values.

01:02:33.000 So the purpose of our education system has actually always been indoctrination.

01:02:38.000 I mean, it was just hijacked by people who wanted to indoctrinate the opposite of what it was intended to be.

01:02:42.000 Let's do this.

01:02:44.000 Let me ask you guys, I want to read the commandments and then get your opinions on it.

01:02:47.000 So let's, because they want to teach kids this, let me ask you all first.

01:02:51.000 Obviously I think the Christians in the room are going to have an obvious answer. 1.00

01:02:54.000 No other gods before me, you shall have no other gods before me.

01:02:57.000 Is that something a children should be taught in general?

01:03:01.000 This one makes me nervous, because if I say to you, Tim, there is no other God before me, and I'm reading you the commandment, there can be a possibility that you think that it's Ian.

01:03:10.000 There's no other God before the ego that is speaking the words.

01:03:13.000 So that one gets misinterpreted when the guy stands up and says it out loud.

01:03:16.000 It's true that there is one God.

01:03:18.000 But it is not for me.

01:03:20.000 It's not me.

01:03:21.000 I think it's unlikely that people would misinterpret it like that.

01:03:26.000 I think the priests stand up and take the credit for a lot of stuff.

01:03:29.000 They become the one.

01:03:30.000 They read from the Bible.

01:03:32.000 That's not my question.

01:03:33.000 My question is, is it a good thing to teach a child about the one God?

01:03:38.000 I'm not saying to accidentally say to a kid a sentence and then walk away.

01:03:41.000 I'm saying, should an adult be telling a children basic philosophies around the First Amendment?

01:03:48.000 Yes, first commandment, you said first amendment.

01:03:52.000 They crafted the 10 amendments, you know, the 10 Bill of Rights is kind of like a... I think part of it is like, yes, as a Christian, I think sounds good to me.

01:04:00.000 And I can understand in a diverse society where there are different religious views, you might be concerned, like seeing there's only one Christian God, does that isolate someone else?

01:04:08.000 But I think the idea behind this, meaning that there is one point of authority, there's one point of morality, It can make them subservient to authority, so you gotta be careful about that.

01:04:21.000 If I was a kid and I saw that on the wall and I didn't know what it meant, the first thing I would ask is, what is God?

01:04:25.000 Are you talking about by public schools or in general?

01:04:27.000 In general.

01:04:27.000 Oh, should children be taught that?

01:04:28.000 I'm not suggesting that. I'm saying, should children be taught that there is one God and no other God?

01:04:33.000 Are you talking about by public schools or in general?

01:04:35.000 In general.

01:04:36.000 Oh, should children be taught that? Absolutely, yes.

01:04:38.000 No, no, it needs to be more than that.

01:04:40.000 It's the truth.

01:04:41.000 Because it's both one and many, and it's what is it? And you've got to explain what it is.

01:04:44.000 Well, it's never going to be taught in isolation.

01:04:46.000 I'm asking you, Ian, if they should teach that.

01:04:49.000 In school?

01:04:50.000 No, in general.

01:04:51.000 Oh, well, yeah, I think so.

01:04:54.000 I like to do that.

01:04:54.000 Because they could also teach polytheism.

01:04:57.000 Which we should.

01:04:58.000 No, I'm saying they go to children and say, did you know that Zeus is atop Mount Olympus?

01:05:02.000 Zeus was a guy that had electricity and he lied to people and told them he could shoot lightning. 0.98

01:05:07.000 And he had sex with his kids that month. 0.99

01:05:10.000 Nut job. 1.00

01:05:10.000 They were a big cult living up in the mountains. 1.00

01:05:12.000 That's a 20, Ian.

01:05:12.000 That's a 20.

01:05:14.000 So here's the next one.

01:05:15.000 Sorry, I can't get over it.

01:05:16.000 Should children in general be told not to worship false idols?

01:05:21.000 Yeah.

01:05:21.000 Absolutely.

01:05:22.000 I completely agree.

01:05:23.000 Especially in our culture of materialism and self-love.

01:05:26.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:05:29.000 Everyone agrees.

01:05:29.000 Yeah.

01:05:30.000 But only in conjunction with the first because you need to know what to worship.

01:05:35.000 Exactly.

01:05:35.000 And it actually says that.

01:05:36.000 It says the first and second commandments go hand in hand.

01:05:39.000 I think the second commandment is actually not even necessarily a Christian.

01:05:43.000 It doesn't need to be seen as a Christian specific thing.

01:05:45.000 Telling people not to worship false idols I think is a good thing.

01:05:48.000 Jewish.

01:05:48.000 It's a Jewish thing.

01:05:49.000 These are all Jewish.

01:05:50.000 Yeah.

01:05:51.000 So, uh, we all agree with that, and I'll just say, I think it's because there are bad things that will try to trick you and deceive you, and you could be tricked into worshipping bad things.

01:05:59.000 We're trying to say, be careful of those who would trick you into worshipping- Money.

01:06:03.000 Do not worship it.

01:06:04.000 Bad politicians.

01:06:05.000 I mean, I gotta interject here and say that as a Catholic, We look at the Bible as a whole, not just line by line.

01:06:13.000 Everything is contextualized, both with the Old Covenant and then the Fulfillment, the New Covenant and the Gospels.

01:06:20.000 So it's not just good advice for your life.

01:06:23.000 It all centers around the fact that God has given us these laws in order for us to better worship Him.

01:06:31.000 And this is, I know, the religious point of view, but it's not just secular advice for your life.

01:06:36.000 But I think that's an actual component.

01:06:38.000 I think these are to help you actually live a better, happier, and more fulfilling life.

01:06:43.000 If I were to... How do you define those words, like better, happier, and more fulfilling?

01:06:46.000 Do you define those as, like, just here on Earth?

01:06:48.000 Or do you define that like, okay, well... I'm saying it's both.

01:06:50.000 On Earth, your goal is actually keeping your eyes on eternity to live this life so that you can get to the next.

01:06:55.000 I will say...

01:06:57.000 If your view is that this is to better worship God, that is true and correct.

01:07:00.000 And I would also say, if you follow them, your life will be better in general.

01:07:04.000 And if you're tripping on DMT and you know this stuff, you'll be better off while you're tripping.

01:07:08.000 So this next one, three is interesting.

01:07:10.000 It's funny that we're actually discussing the philosophy of the Ten Commandments.

01:07:12.000 I'm actually really excited for this.

01:07:14.000 You shall not take the name of your Lord God in vain.

01:07:16.000 I'm going to start this one because I am not Christian.

01:07:19.000 I do believe in God.

01:07:20.000 And my view is call it whatever you want, call it superstitious or spiritual.

01:07:26.000 I am very reluctant to curse or tempt the fates.

01:07:32.000 I have had many instances in my life where I have... I don't know how you describe it.

01:07:39.000 I wouldn't necessarily say it's using the Lord's name in vain, but arrogance, and then I had the pie thrown in my face.

01:07:44.000 Where I've made jokes thinking, who cares?

01:07:47.000 And then experienced a thing.

01:07:50.000 I've had experiences in my life where I've sat behind my computer and mocked someone just to myself.

01:07:55.000 And then a week later, met them, and they were the nicest person in the world to me, just ripping my heart out, and I'm like, I can't believe I would think those things about this person. 0.99

01:08:02.000 That was the stupidest thing. 0.96

01:08:03.000 So I look at this, I'm like, call it whatever you want. 0.99

01:08:05.000 I believe there is something greater than us, and I believe insulting the universe, the greater, the energy, or God, or that is just, I stay away from that.

01:08:13.000 I think it's a bad thing.

01:08:14.000 I think you will be better off if you remain humble.

01:08:16.000 Dude, and also- And accept that there are powers beyond you.

01:08:19.000 Like, I think God speaks to people.

01:08:21.000 When I clear my mind and I ask, tell me what to do, I get a vision of what I'm doing.

01:08:26.000 But if I went online and said, God commands you to subscribe to me for $10 a month, that's the vein.

01:08:32.000 Absolutely.

01:08:33.000 Never, never.

01:08:34.000 You need to follow that commandment.

01:08:36.000 Sure.

01:08:38.000 I think that's one interpretation of the word vain.

01:08:40.000 I think the other part is saying, like, you have to set boundaries for yourself on what you're allowed to say.

01:08:45.000 Like, being able to basically understand what's inappropriate, what's not appropriate.

01:08:48.000 You are able to better understand respect.

01:08:50.000 Like, this is basically the concept of respecting something that has more authority and knowledge than you do, right?

01:08:56.000 And, like, that is actually a good principle to carry out in life.

01:08:59.000 It's like the principle of salvation, really.

01:09:02.000 It's like the ultimate humility because we are not worthy of even saying his name, let alone living forever with him in eternity and experiencing his love, right?

01:09:13.000 Except for that he came to save us.

01:09:14.000 To kind of simplify why I wanted to go through these as we're talking about putting in schools is that we need to teach basic philosophy.

01:09:20.000 I think the idea that people say we are moist robots and there is nothing beyond life, I'm like, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

01:09:29.000 Like, any degree of scientific understanding, philosophical understanding, and spiritual general knowledge, like, general, like, I'm saying, if you're not a Christian and you just read the Bible to better understand what people think, all of these things would lead I think any person who is an open-minded and is actually trying to learn, they would be like, there is something truly beyond us, at the very least. 0.81

01:09:53.000 And so, you gotta teach kids philosophy.

01:09:55.000 I think these are all really great, to be honest.

01:09:56.000 This could go in a science class, because you're talking about quantum physics.

01:09:59.000 I mean, then... Well, let's read... Look, remember the Sabbath day.

01:10:02.000 I'm fairly neutral on this.

01:10:03.000 I mean, I think a day off is very important, a day of rest.

01:10:07.000 I think it means something else to Christians, you know.

01:10:10.000 Yeah, I mean, the Sabbath is really about, like, meditating on- Family.

01:10:14.000 Your family!

01:10:15.000 Meditating on the philosophy of the things that you've learned.

01:10:16.000 Like, I think that the Sabbath day is something our culture doesn't appreciate because we just see it as the day before Monday.

01:10:23.000 I'm gonna stop right there and say, you know what?

01:10:25.000 Probably the most important commandment, and I think everybody should be taught it.

01:10:28.000 My view is that it is not some arbitrary thing about God's day, necessarily.

01:10:32.000 It is... We talk about Shabbat and how Jewish families, from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday, turn off all the devices, come together and be a family.

01:10:42.000 That is one of the most powerful cultural tools In human, in human arsenal.

01:10:48.000 I was sitting in front of my computer the other night and I heard, I was, I just heard this frequency in my head like bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

01:10:54.000 And I was like, what is that noise?

01:10:55.000 That's my blood pressure.

01:10:56.000 And when my monitor dimmed, it stopped.

01:10:58.000 Like these, these machines are driving our minds.

01:11:02.000 Probably affecting us in ways we don't know, but my point is, remembering the Sabbath, one of the things that's breaking apart Western civilization is that we don't congregate with our families and our communities anymore.

01:11:15.000 And that's what the Sabbath was.

01:11:17.000 go to church together with your family, with your community, then you'd go home and you weren't allowed to work and you're supposed to be talking to each other and thinking about the lessons that you are being taught in church through interpretation through your pastor or whatever else.

01:11:30.000 It is about the moral growth of both your family and of the individual.

01:11:34.000 It's also the idea of dedicating that day to God.

01:11:37.000 I agree with what you're saying, that the degradation of our society is because of the breakdown of the family and the fact that even when families are together, we're all on the devices that wreck our brains.

01:11:45.000 But that commandment, the interpretation of that commandment, is to dedicate that day to God.

01:11:49.000 There's no question about any of the other commandments.

01:11:51.000 I think there's literally no argument.

01:11:53.000 asked to worship God the way that he laid out that he wants to be worshipped, right?

01:11:57.000 And that's what it means to say, okay, that day is your day.

01:11:59.000 It's not about me.

01:12:00.000 It's not about my rest.

01:12:01.000 It's not about my enrichment.

01:12:02.000 It's about you.

01:12:03.000 And so I will stop everything I'm doing and worship you.

01:12:06.000 There's no, there's no question about any of the other commandments.

01:12:07.000 I think there's literally no argument.

01:12:09.000 Honor your father and your mother.

01:12:10.000 Big time.

01:12:12.000 I'm sorry, if you don't honor your father and your mother, if you don't love them and care about them, I understand that people have fights and falling out, but there's always a love there for your family.

01:12:21.000 Then there's something wrong, right?

01:12:25.000 It is 99.999% of humans who love their parents.

01:12:28.000 I was just gonna ask Jazz Jennings' mother, would you expect Jazz Jennings to honor thy mother?

01:12:33.000 That's a good question.

01:12:34.000 The answer is, as a mother, yes.

01:12:37.000 But if Jazz's mother is doing hateful and damaging things, it's not an issue of mother.

01:12:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:12:43.000 What do you mean by honor, though?

01:12:44.000 It's the definition of what you mean by honor.

01:12:45.000 Are you going to go out and you're going to ruin the dignity of this person that gave life to you?

01:12:48.000 Are you going to say, listen, you've abused me.

01:12:50.000 And so with all due respect, I'm going to separate myself from that abuse, say what was wrong and move on.

01:12:55.000 Like, I think the word honor is pretty important there, because it's not a matter of like, oh, you're abusing me, but you're my mother.

01:13:00.000 So I have to listen to you for the rest of my life.

01:13:02.000 high respect, so like to acknowledge why they are the way they are.

01:13:05.000 You shall not murder. Yes, that is taught in all schools and to all children, and it's very

01:13:10.000 important we do. You shall not commit adultery, at least for the time being. We still have that

01:13:15.000 cultural thing, but now you've got the rise of polycule. No, no fault divorce. It's crazy.

01:13:19.000 That's Reagan's fault. 0.98

01:13:22.000 It is.

01:13:22.000 You shall not steal.

01:13:24.000 Oh boy, we're losing that one, but that's a no-brainer.

01:13:27.000 The government needs to teach itself that one.

01:13:28.000 Oh, for sure.

01:13:29.000 You shall not bear false witness.

01:13:31.000 Seriously, don't lie.

01:13:33.000 False witness means like saying something, accusing someone else falsely.

01:13:37.000 That's incredibly important for our culture now.

01:13:39.000 Think about all of the, think about the Kavanaugh stuff and all these false allegations.

01:13:43.000 That's a deep fix.

01:13:44.000 They're false witnesses.

01:13:45.000 Totally.

01:13:46.000 Yes.

01:13:47.000 And then you shall not covet.

01:13:49.000 I agree with these.

01:13:50.000 And you know, it's not even my perspective on them is not religious.

01:13:53.000 Yours is.

01:13:55.000 My perspective is you will live a better life if you understand what these things do for humans.

01:14:00.000 Now, simply put, from a religious perspective, you're saying it's to better worship God.

01:14:00.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 Yeah.

01:14:04.000 My response is, okay, maybe that doesn't persuade someone.

01:14:07.000 But I tell you, if you follow these, you'll be happier, healthier, with a better family, better kids.

01:14:11.000 I think having a shared moral understanding would make our society stronger.

01:14:16.000 And I don't need to make you go to church if we all can agree by some basic rules.

01:14:20.000 And so therefore, having the Ten Commandments in school and being like, here are some basic rules that we all agree to would be a beneficial thing.

01:14:27.000 Let me show you guys this video, and we'll jump to this segment.

01:14:30.000 This is a tweet from Clown World.

01:14:31.000 This is what Target in San Francisco looks like.

01:14:34.000 Let's make this bigger and take a look at this.

01:14:37.000 So, for those that can't tell in the immediate, especially for those that are just listening, every single item in the Target is locked.

01:14:45.000 You cannot take an object, shampoo, razors, hairspray, none of it.

01:14:51.000 It's all behind plexiglass and locked.

01:14:53.000 Yep, all behind plexiglass and locked.

01:14:56.000 Kind of creepy, huh?

01:14:57.000 This is cultural degradation.

01:14:59.000 This is moral decay.

01:15:00.000 And what we were talking about in the previous segment is, you know, the question of, would a society be better if, would the United States be better if everybody was Christian? 0.72

01:15:09.000 The actual simple way I'd put it is, yes, but not in my view, and you guys probably disagree, because of Christianity, but because of a shared moral foundation that rests on respecting each other and society.

01:15:20.000 Yeah, I actually don't disagree with you.

01:15:22.000 I mean, I have never felt like I am personally in charge of making everyone be religious, right?

01:15:27.000 It works for me and it's an important part of making myself be a good person.

01:15:32.000 But I think generally the point of having a shared value system is to have a strong society, right?

01:15:39.000 And I don't think the government should make you go to church, but I do think that if you don't understand why our rules are set up, if you don't understand the shared social contract that we have that's based on these ideas, then you are very much likely to not participate in society in a way that is beneficial to your neighbors.

01:15:54.000 I mean, If you look at this, it makes me think about those stories.

01:15:57.000 Have you heard of those people who'd be like, when my grandparents went to the store, they would just, like, pay, and then someone would bring their groceries to their unlocked house and put them away for them.

01:16:05.000 We'd leave our doors unlocked at night.

01:16:07.000 What are you talking about?

01:16:08.000 I would never do that.

01:16:09.000 I would never just let someone rip.

01:16:11.000 But this is totally a different time.

01:16:13.000 It's a time when we were a much stronger in shared morality.

01:16:16.000 Back then, everybody would meet at church on Sunday. 0.99

01:16:20.000 So if you broke into someone's house, are you nuts? 0.81

01:16:22.000 You show up to church, they're all gonna turn at you and they're gonna point their fingers at you. 0.98

01:16:26.000 You're ostracized.

01:16:27.000 So people were like, oh, I can't do that.

01:16:30.000 I mean, that scares me.

01:16:32.000 The negative consequences are massive.

01:16:34.000 Now, there's no gatherings.

01:16:36.000 There's no day to spend with your family.

01:16:38.000 So these people are like, why do I care if Target loses hairspray?

01:16:42.000 And then the people at Target are like, the people who work there, I also don't care.

01:16:46.000 And so then you get security guards, cops, and employees who are just like, we literally don't care.

01:16:50.000 And the system starts to break.

01:16:52.000 It's not just the social contract, too.

01:16:54.000 I think it's a step further than that.

01:16:55.000 Because it's obviously the behavior.

01:16:56.000 Like, look at that.

01:16:57.000 That's incredibly eerie that we're at the point in our society that that is a thing.

01:17:02.000 It's also reality.

01:17:03.000 Like, when you don't have a shared moral fabric, then you actually question what is reality.

01:17:10.000 And that's where we are right now with all of these things.

01:17:13.000 On race, on sex and gender, on right and wrong, on what justice means.

01:17:19.000 All of these things.

01:17:19.000 We're actually asking these existential questions that were asked in a different way at the beginning of our country.

01:17:24.000 Like, what is somebody's right?

01:17:26.000 What is a basic individual right?

01:17:27.000 What's the purpose of government?

01:17:29.000 What is wrong?

01:17:30.000 What is order?

01:17:31.000 We're asking all of these questions that we haven't asked in over 250 years because we lost that moral fabric.

01:17:37.000 Because that was the thing that defined all of those terms, which allowed us to then build society on it.

01:17:42.000 I really think that it was this worship of money that creeped in with the Federal Reserve System and this obsession with banking that happened in like the 1500s, central banking and stuff.

01:17:51.000 Because people, I see them worshiping money and it's a misguided love.

01:17:56.000 But if we taught the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not covet, right?

01:17:58.000 Thou shalt not covet having more money.

01:17:59.000 And thou shalt not worship false gods.

01:18:02.000 Oh, sorry to interrupt you.

01:18:03.000 There's so much value to having resources.

01:18:03.000 Oh, go ahead.

01:18:06.000 That's an issue.

01:18:07.000 It's not money, it's just the ability to have resources.

01:18:09.000 But I think a component of this is the loss of community.

01:18:12.000 It's really easy to be like, you don't need government when you have charity.

01:18:16.000 Well, yeah, if everybody are good, moral people who agree with each other, and then everybody's living and working, and one day they see a man whose house burned down and he's homeless, and they say, we gotta help this guy.

01:18:26.000 And they all pitch in, and the man shakes their hand, and then the next time a house burns down, that guy joins in to help too.

01:18:31.000 Now, neighbors don't talk to each other.

01:18:34.000 Nobody likes each other, and so it's all every man for himself, and they'll loot a grocery store. 0.72

01:18:38.000 They don't care.

01:18:39.000 They don't know you.

01:18:39.000 Right.

01:18:40.000 And philanthropic participation, volunteer work, has been declining rapidly for decades in America.

01:18:46.000 So we say, like, oh, we should have community, you know, non-profits or whatever intercede and help people, but, like, who is running that?

01:18:53.000 Who is prioritizing that?

01:18:55.000 This is still a trend with a lot of fundraising, but typically women make a lot of the majority of philanthropic giving decisions, meaning they decide where 1.00

01:19:03.000 their family's going to donate money.

01:19:04.000 And that's a trend that because a lot of before women were in the workplace, 1.00

01:19:07.000 they also led their families efforts towards serving the community, right? Whether that be

01:19:12.000 through the church, through nonprofits, whatever else, like, we have let all this go away,

01:19:16.000 because we also destroyed the structure that was holding it together.

01:19:20.000 Well, you know, the issue is, I think you're exactly correct.

01:19:22.000 The issue is conservatives aren't good at art. So the left makes the worst possible

01:19:28.000 interpretation of religion in government, and they make what's that Handmaid's Tale?

01:19:34.000 And then it's just meant to be the most evil interpretation of what a religious society is.

01:19:40.000 Conservatives don't equally create the inverse of the benefits or the positives that could come with a shared moral foundation.

01:19:49.000 Why do you think people don't like each other?

01:19:53.000 Uh, but there's a lot of reasons people don't like each other.

01:19:55.000 Some people are just, they don't like each other based on looks.

01:19:58.000 I believe that's rooted in tribalist fear.

01:20:02.000 A human who is growing up in, say, the 1400s lives in a small village of 100-200 people.

01:20:07.000 They know that these people they are safe with.

01:20:10.000 Humans are safe around those who are part of their community.

01:20:12.000 They then see another person with a different color skin.

01:20:14.000 They immediately know, this person does not live where I live.

01:20:17.000 They may try to take from me, steal from me, or hurt me.

01:20:20.000 That's, I think, the root of where racism comes from, is, like, human, natural, tribal fears.

01:20:24.000 Well, we need to overcome that, because that's not the case.

01:20:26.000 We're all people, and I don't think someone's race is a predetermined factor in whether you can trust them or not.

01:20:33.000 In fact, I'm from Chicago, and I've only been mugged by white dudes.

01:20:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:36.000 So, like, I don't look at someone and be like, I can know everything about the person.

01:20:40.000 But that's one component.

01:20:42.000 One component is separate moral foundations.

01:20:46.000 Like, you think it is good to... I don't know, let's assume usury, for example.

01:20:52.000 You come from a society where you're like, loans are really, really great.

01:20:55.000 It helps the systems thrive and grow.

01:20:59.000 And then you get some leftists who are like, usury is evil that exploits the workers.

01:21:03.000 You are stealing from people.

01:21:05.000 Now, you're at odds because of deep-rooted moral foundations.

01:21:08.000 So, There's a lot of reasons people hate each other, right?

01:21:12.000 Can I add a comment?

01:21:13.000 Yeah.

01:21:14.000 Your point on art.

01:21:15.000 Do you know who used to be really, really good at art and science?

01:21:19.000 The Church.

01:21:20.000 The Catholic Church.

01:21:21.000 How was Vatican II for you guys, though?

01:21:23.000 I feel like you guys gave some of it up.

01:21:25.000 Oh yeah, that's why I said used to!

01:21:27.000 I think we're reclaiming some of that.

01:21:28.000 Like, I'm sure there's a bunch of trad cats watching your show who like the traditional Latin mass, who want to get back to the beauty of that tradition, the beauty of the artwork and the cathedrals and all of that.

01:21:39.000 But when we lost some of the religiosity, the faith, we lost our stronghold on cultural excellence.

01:21:46.000 The original culture war.

01:21:48.000 Yeah.

01:21:48.000 I was just reading an article about a seminary in Cincinnati, I believe, saying that they're having to build new apartments and dorms because they are getting millennial men who want to go into the priesthood after years and years of decline.

01:22:02.000 I mean, I think there is a shift.

01:22:04.000 I think largely we've talked about this.

01:22:05.000 People crave some kind of structure and direction.

01:22:07.000 You don't actually want to be Dominated by authority, but on the other hand, people want to believe that there is good, there is evil.

01:22:16.000 And I think this generational shift towards queer, towards relationships that have fewer structures, to like, I don't really think I have to, you know, comply with any sort of social norms at all.

01:22:29.000 I think that is sort of the divisive part of the youngest generation.

01:22:34.000 Wokeness proves that a lot of people crave authority.

01:22:39.000 They beg for it.

01:22:40.000 They want to be told what to do and what to think, and wokeness exploits that within people.

01:22:46.000 Some people are leaders, some people are followers, and there's no negative to being either.

01:22:52.000 Some people say, look, I just want to work hard.

01:22:55.000 I want to provide good service to my fellow man.

01:22:59.000 You let me know how I can best serve my fellow people.

01:23:02.000 And that's totally fine.

01:23:03.000 Some people say, you know what?

01:23:05.000 I think I can help you better serve your neighborhood, your community, and your world.

01:23:10.000 And those are leaders.

01:23:11.000 What ends up happening is you have people who I really do think many of them want to do good, easily exploited by corrupt ideologies, But because right now you have very liberty-minded individuals on the right and collective-minded individuals on the left, the libertarian, post-liberal, or conservatives don't want to go to these people and say, I will tell you how to live your life.

01:23:34.000 They want to say, let me give you the information to free you.

01:23:37.000 And they say, no, I want to be told what to do.

01:23:39.000 And so you're never going to- It goes back to what I said before.

01:23:41.000 I know that this is controversial even on the right, but I just don't believe that there's any such thing as neutrality.

01:23:46.000 I don't think that we can create this sort of even playing field, this vacuum.

01:23:51.000 I think something is going to fill it and it's either going to be right or it's going to be wrong.

01:23:55.000 It's either going to be good or it's going to be evil.

01:23:57.000 The rest is just an exercise in moral relativism, but it's really just right or wrong.

01:24:03.000 And so if you're looking at the good of society, we're so afraid as conservatives of using the power of government because we are limited government-minded people, right?

01:24:12.000 Like, we don't want to have this huge big daddy government. 0.97

01:24:15.000 But because of that, we actually overcompensate and we don't take advantage of the powers in government that are justly given to government officials by the people.

01:24:24.000 So you get leftists in office, they're not worried, they're unconcerned with wielding their power.

01:24:30.000 And yet oftentimes conservatives don't wanna do that because they're like,

01:24:33.000 oh, just using the power of government, just using the power of government bureaucrats, 0.92

01:24:37.000 we've demonized so much when the left does it that we don't wanna do it ourselves.

01:24:41.000 And I think that's completely wrong.

01:24:42.000 If conservatives want, if we want an ordered society, conservatives have to understand

01:24:46.000 that we're gonna have to fill that vacuum with indoctrination and with the government a little bit

01:24:51.000 or the left is gonna do it.

01:24:52.000 And this is a problem I see a lot of people on the anti-woke side.

01:24:56.000 They're like, indoctrination in schools is wrong.

01:24:58.000 And I thought about it.

01:24:59.000 I talked about this.

01:25:00.000 We talked about it a few months ago.

01:25:01.000 I'm like, it actually isn't wrong.

01:25:03.000 What's wrong is it's bad indoctrination.

01:25:05.000 We absolutely do want to indoctrinate children with American values.

01:25:08.000 Hello, children.

01:25:09.000 It is good to have free speech.

01:25:11.000 It is good to have freedom of religion.

01:25:12.000 It is good to have a free press.

01:25:14.000 It is good to have the presumption of innocence.

01:25:16.000 That's indoctrination.

01:25:17.000 Totally.

01:25:18.000 But we rely on the parents to teach the kids, so by the time they get to the school, it's not the teacher that has to teach the kid that.

01:25:24.000 It shouldn't be the teacher's job.

01:25:25.000 People send their kids to school and they're like, two.

01:25:27.000 They spend like an hour a day with their kids.

01:25:28.000 It's a big problem.

01:25:29.000 Families, even well-intentioned families, if you put your kid through the traditional tract of daycare, pre-preschool, whatever it's called, TK, pre-K, kindergarten, they're fully formed by the education system.

01:25:41.000 That's the problem.

01:25:43.000 If the parent isn't teaching the kids these Ten Commandments, or right and wrong, or things like that, by the time they get to school they don't know, so they'll just listen to any authority.

01:25:50.000 And maybe these people, these libertarians, are like, I don't want to be that guy because I know it's not right to take advantage of you.

01:25:56.000 And someone else is like, I will, don't worry about it.

01:25:58.000 That's why when it comes to the neutrality question, which I think you're correct on, Ten Commandments or Marxism, I'm like, man, I would much rather have the Ten Commandments than Marxism.

01:26:09.000 And I'll take it.

01:26:10.000 I agree that there's no neutrality, true neutral, because I think what's happening is if it's a scale and you've got like good and evil and then the middle you've got neutral, it's always moving.

01:26:20.000 So it's moving so fast between the both that it looks like it's in the middle because it's oscillating so quickly, so you can kind of find a balance between good and evil within yourself. 0.96

01:26:31.000 You know, we have to kill animals to eat them.

01:26:34.000 If you ever look an animal in the eyes before you kill it, that's a pretty evil thing.

01:26:38.000 I disagree.

01:26:39.000 What if it's your cat?

01:26:40.000 Why would you kill your cat?

01:26:42.000 Why would you kill your cat? 0.97

01:26:43.000 You wouldn't, because you would think it would be evil, but you would kill your cow.

01:26:47.000 So we just kind of accept that certain violent... It's not evil, though.

01:26:51.000 Peace and violence.

01:26:53.000 We have these two things, and in the middle there's neutral.

01:26:56.000 But it's like we're always a balance of both.

01:26:59.000 But if you can get the balance in order, then you can kind of seem neutral, I think.

01:27:04.000 But you're still both.

01:27:04.000 You're still going to be one or the other at all times.

01:27:07.000 I guess I look at it a little bit differently.

01:27:08.000 I look at it as it's a constant tug of war between good and evil on that spectrum.

01:27:12.000 And so the closer we can get it to permanently being up at good, then when it does have that fluctuation, it's still not quite as bad as dipping all the way down to evil.

01:27:21.000 Yeah, like, killing a cow is not evil.

01:27:23.000 Killing a cow for fun, to torture the animal, is evil.

01:27:26.000 Killing it to eat is not, right? 0.74

01:27:27.000 That's the distinction.

01:27:29.000 Humans have had to justify that killing animals is okay, because that's how we survive.

01:27:33.000 I understand it.

01:27:33.000 Which means it literally is.

01:27:35.000 Yeah, it's fine to us.

01:27:36.000 But, you know, is it to God?

01:27:38.000 God doesn't want us to do factory farming, I'll tell you that.

01:27:40.000 I mean, the Bible says it is.

01:27:41.000 He gave man dominion over animals.

01:27:43.000 I asked God if it would judge me, and it said, for factory farming, you'll be judged.

01:27:48.000 I think that's a highly biased and ill-informed position.

01:27:52.000 Maybe it was wrong.

01:27:55.000 So, what I would say to that is, I think you've probably seen a handful of shock content videos that make you believe farming is done in a certain way, but before you can make a statement like that, you need to actually go to one of these so-called factory farms and actually investigate for yourself whether or not what they've told you on the internet is true.

01:28:10.000 Have you seen the videos of them, like, picking up the little pigs and smashing them on the ground because they won't stop making noise?

01:28:15.000 Is that like showing a video of a murderer and saying all humans are murderers?

01:28:18.000 Well, I'm just asking, have you seen that video?

01:28:20.000 I've seen them.

01:28:20.000 And those people are bad people.

01:28:21.000 Have you seen the pools of blood and feces that pool up and pollute the environment outside?

01:28:24.000 So, once again, I've also seen videos of people of various races doing bad things, and I don't blame every person of those races for the actions of an individual.

01:28:32.000 Showing me a video of one guy bashing a pig does not make me think all farms are evil.

01:28:37.000 Factory farms.

01:28:38.000 Not all farms.

01:28:39.000 Farming's cool.

01:28:40.000 Factory farming, man.

01:28:41.000 And what does factory farming mean?

01:28:42.000 You've got them locked up in a house and you're shoving antibiotics in.

01:28:45.000 And you could be referring to three farms.

01:28:47.000 That's my point.

01:28:49.000 So you need to figure out... Industrialized farming where you've... Have you ever gone to one?

01:28:56.000 No.

01:28:56.000 And that's my point.

01:28:57.000 And they wouldn't let drones fly over those things.

01:28:58.000 Instead of taking a strong moral position on something you haven't investigated... I've investigated it from a distance, but I haven't been one.

01:29:04.000 But so, like, I could pull up a video where it's like the polar bears are dying, and the environmentalists show you a hundred videos of polar bears that are gaunt-looking, but they're lying all the time.

01:29:14.000 What they do is they take a really old polar bear on his deathbed, which is normal, take a video of it, and say, this poor polar bear is starving to death.

01:29:22.000 They're tricking you.

01:29:23.000 That's what National Geographic did.

01:29:24.000 You didn't make that up.

01:29:25.000 That's a real thing that happened.

01:29:25.000 Remember that very popular photograph and video of the gaunt polar bear?

01:29:29.000 It was just an old polar bear.

01:29:30.000 It was an old polar bear.

01:29:31.000 They knew it was dying.

01:29:31.000 They blamed it on climate change, but it was just like, no, the thing was, like, aged.

01:29:34.000 And they don't tell you that polar bears can swim, like, ridiculously far distance.

01:29:38.000 They're almost aquatic mammals.

01:29:39.000 My point is this.

01:29:41.000 I agree with you it's bad when you see a video of a guy torturing animals and stuff, and I blame that person for torturing animals.

01:29:46.000 I don't know if it's indicative of all large-scale farming.

01:29:51.000 It's the antibiotics that they use in masks.

01:29:54.000 They'll hit things with antibiotics before they're sick, just so they don't get sick.

01:29:57.000 And then that makes people sick.

01:29:59.000 But that's not torturing an animal.

01:30:01.000 That's like, that's like a human error.

01:30:03.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:30:03.000 They'll have like mastitis on the cow nipples because they suck. 0.99

01:30:07.000 They put, they hook them up to machines and they just 24 seven.

01:30:09.000 They're just, I don't know how many hours a day.

01:30:11.000 Have you ever gone to a dairy farm?

01:30:13.000 Uh, no.

01:30:13.000 I've been to like eight and I've never seen that.

01:30:16.000 Which ones?

01:30:17.000 I went California.

01:30:18.000 I went to three different ones.

01:30:20.000 I've been to a few.

01:30:21.000 Well, I went a bunch throughout California.

01:30:23.000 I've been to some in, I think Texas.

01:30:26.000 I don't know if there's a beef, that might be beef cattle.

01:30:29.000 So, We've out here, the farms don't have any of that.

01:30:33.000 And we've been to like three or four of those.

01:30:35.000 So my favorite thing- Shout out to all the organic farmers out there.

01:30:39.000 But this is, people don't understand this.

01:30:41.000 Like I was confused by this when I went to the first dairy farm ever in California and there was no fence and the cows were all eating.

01:30:49.000 And I said, what if the cows leave?

01:30:51.000 And the farmer goes, where would they go?

01:30:53.000 And I was like, well, I don't know.

01:30:55.000 Like, what if they just like wander off?

01:30:56.000 And he goes, But where?

01:30:58.000 And I'm like, a random direction and leave.

01:31:00.000 And he goes, but there's no food there.

01:31:02.000 And I'm like, are you saying cows won't leave?

01:31:04.000 And he goes, Yeah, why would they leave?

01:31:07.000 The food's right here.

01:31:08.000 And I was just like, and he was like, you ever hear the saying, till the cows come home?

01:31:11.000 Cows aren't gonna go wander off and die in the woods, bro.

01:31:14.000 He didn't say bro, but like, that's the idea. 1.00

01:31:16.000 Like you think cows are so dumb, they're gonna be like, might as well just go die. 0.99

01:31:19.000 No, they're not like looking to take a vacation. 1.00

01:31:21.000 I heard there's great surfing if I just keep walking.

01:31:27.000 But so what he pointed out was the milking stations, the cows choose to go into.

01:31:32.000 Because they're uncomfortable.

01:31:33.000 Right.

01:31:33.000 They build a bunch of milk up and the cows are like, and they walk in and the machine then milks them and the cows walk back out and start eating again.

01:31:40.000 And the one thing I could say is probably sad or cruel is the taking of the calf from the mother.

01:31:45.000 It's brutal.

01:31:46.000 But I also don't think it's evil.

01:31:47.000 I think Lions eat animals.

01:31:49.000 Cats eat animals.

01:31:51.000 The world as it is, as nature is, is that... Is it evil when a rabbit eats a flower?

01:31:57.000 No, it's destructive.

01:31:58.000 It's not evil.

01:31:59.000 I don't think the word evil is really even that valuable these days.

01:32:02.000 I actually wouldn't even agree that it's destructive.

01:32:05.000 The rabbit eats the flower and then turns the flower into more rabbits.

01:32:07.000 That's creative.

01:32:08.000 It destroys the flower to create, yeah.

01:32:10.000 But it's the creation and destruction, you know?

01:32:12.000 Or does the flower serve its ultimate purpose by feeding the rabbit and creating more rabbits?

01:32:16.000 When people are like, animals are here for me to eat?

01:32:18.000 Otherwise it would just wilt and die and then it would just go back and be in the soil.

01:32:21.000 And actually some of the seeds actually evolved specifically so that through the digestion of the animal it sprinkles the seeds around.

01:32:28.000 Meaning many of these plants actually do want to be eaten.

01:32:33.000 I mean fruits exist for a reason.

01:32:35.000 The plant will drop something that is full of sugar so that something will eat it and carry its seeds and help it propagate.

01:32:42.000 Yeah, man.

01:32:43.000 I'm concerned with factory farming, high use of antibiotics, feces and blood, contaminating the environment, the secrecy.

01:32:48.000 I get all of that, but I think I'm concerned that's propaganda.

01:32:53.000 I'm with you on the antibiotic overuse.

01:32:55.000 I think that there's been a lot of, there's been a lot of studies, and we were talking about this before we went on air, I'm pretty, I'm pretty based on, on Big Food and Big Pharma, and I think our overuse, our society's overuse of antibiotics has like, wrecked our guts and caused a lot of chronic health conditions, and that because there's incredible profit-motivative on both sides, like from Big Food, And then Big Pharma to, like, circulate this, like, problem, solution, problem, solution.

01:33:18.000 Like, I agree with you on that.

01:33:19.000 I don't know a lot about the factory farming stuff that you guys were talking about, but just the widespread use of antibiotics to prevent problems, like, that's objectively a problem, right?

01:33:29.000 Yeah.

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01:33:43.000 Jake Moore says, Hey guys, you should look into the auto key card federal case that ended today.

01:33:49.000 Basically, people were convicted of trafficking machine guns, said machine guns were metal cards with drawings on them.

01:33:55.000 Yup.

01:33:56.000 So his guy, the guy's name is, I think it's Matt Hoover.

01:33:59.000 and he had a YouTube channel, and they had these metal cards with drawings on them.

01:34:03.000 If you took those things and you cut out those drawings, stencils, and then did something with

01:34:09.000 them, it would turn the gun into a machine gun or something.

01:34:11.000 So they said selling them, in fact, was selling conversion kits, which is illegal. And then,

01:34:16.000 like, I guess the parts were also bottle openers or something like that?

01:34:21.000 Like, it technically could be a bottle opener, but could also be used to convert a weapon?

01:34:27.000 This is insane, because they were selling, basically, metal cards with drawings on them.

01:34:33.000 And they called it a conversion starter kit.

01:34:35.000 So the question then is, if you post an image of that online, are you posting a diagram to construct a con- like, where's the line?

01:34:43.000 Well, the government, uh, I think it was like eight women, four men, said, yup, you did it, you're going to jail.

01:34:49.000 Crazy.

01:34:51.000 That's actually a huge, huge problem.

01:34:53.000 You can't sell a piece of metal with lines drawn on it?

01:34:56.000 That's so weird.

01:34:57.000 I'm concerned with creating a black market of information.

01:34:59.000 Let's just never forget that the director of the ETF was like, I'm not a firearms expert.

01:35:04.000 Or like, this is what they do with 3D guns.

01:35:06.000 Remember when the 3D gun blueprints went around online, and it was like literally just a blueprint, a piece of paper, and they were like, no, you can't, you can't let that circulate.

01:35:15.000 The market's still huge, it's just the media's not talking about it anymore, and the 3D printers are better now.

01:35:20.000 Yeah, it's what Ian said, it creates a black market of information.

01:35:23.000 It doesn't mean that people who want to use it aren't going to be able to find it, it means that law-abiding people are going to stay away from it.

01:35:28.000 And it's a law you can't enforce, which makes a mockery of the system that makes the law.

01:35:32.000 Alright, Brandon, Alan says, so much long blonde hair on Timcast tonight.

01:35:36.000 I like it, especially Ian.

01:35:37.000 You should see Tim take the beanie off, then it gets... He's like a mermaid, it's beautiful.

01:35:40.000 You guys ever watch Adventure Time?

01:35:42.000 When Finn, yeah, he takes it off and big golden blonde hair comes out.

01:35:48.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:35:50.000 SA Federali says, if Milo is actually there, ask him if he's ever been to Transnistria to see his creepy Daily Stormer friends and it's really just about the age of consent.

01:35:58.000 Oh, yikes.

01:35:59.000 Milo was supposed to be here, but he couldn't come.

01:36:03.000 That- I don't know why.

01:36:04.000 So, uh, we had him booked, but, um, I don't know, he- I- I- I- Second information, he had something with his eye where it was like- I was gonna tell him I was gonna call myself Mi- Ian Milanopoulos?

01:36:15.000 Yeah, that's what it was.

01:36:15.000 Ian Milanopoulos.

01:36:16.000 His hair's not as long and blonde, though, so I feel like this was better, yes?

01:36:20.000 This was definitely better.

01:36:21.000 I love you, Milo.

01:36:21.000 Groffi says that UFO needs to be peckable at some point.

01:36:24.000 What do you mean, like, we should put a UFO in the chicken coop?

01:36:26.000 It'll just pop off?

01:36:27.000 That'd be so funny.

01:36:30.000 David Torado says, not everyone is deserving of love, Ian.

01:36:33.000 Hmm, that's an interesting question.

01:36:34.000 Do you think everyone's deserving of love?

01:36:35.000 I think the answer is actually yes.

01:36:36.000 Oh, of course, yes.

01:36:37.000 I think yes.

01:36:38.000 Even, like, it's tough because I know there's some really depraved and evil people out there, but I would refer to God's love.

01:36:46.000 Yeah.

01:36:46.000 You know, maybe not humanly, but something beyond, you know.

01:36:49.000 Self-love, you know?

01:36:51.000 Yeah, self-love, compassion.

01:36:52.000 I don't think everyone's deserving of trust, and I think people mix up love and trust, right?

01:36:57.000 You can love someone and know better than to trust them.

01:37:00.000 You can also love someone and send them to prison.

01:37:02.000 Loving someone means that you, like, respect their dignity.

01:37:06.000 Like, human to human love, I mean.

01:37:07.000 It means that you, like, respect their dignity and their rights.

01:37:09.000 It doesn't mean that you let them get away with stuff or like them.

01:37:12.000 Like, like and love are very different things.

01:37:14.000 But I look at it this way.

01:37:15.000 Let's say someone is an evil murderer.

01:37:19.000 He targeted children. 0.99

01:37:20.000 Killed the kids.

01:37:22.000 I can certainly understand humans saying, I will not give love to you, but would you think that that person is still deserving of God's love?

01:37:30.000 Yeah, I mean, the example, if someone's on death row, like, people pray for death row inmates all the time, that is love, praying for them.

01:37:36.000 It doesn't mean that they should be let out, it doesn't mean that they shouldn't suffer the consequences of their action, like, but that is love.

01:37:41.000 I think that's very different than being, like, friends with someone or even liking someone.

01:37:45.000 Like, you can show someone love, God's love, because, like, in the whole Christian worldview, right, like, none of us are deserving of God's love and He loves us anyway.

01:37:54.000 And that doesn't mean that we aren't bound to follow like rules and consequences.

01:37:57.000 But that kind of like we order our society after but yeah, I think people are all people are deserving of love.

01:38:02.000 Right on.

01:38:03.000 We got trash panda says stand your ground. 0.97

01:38:03.000 All right. 0.97

01:38:03.000 Let's see. 0.97

01:38:06.000 Don't buy bud unless they apologize.

01:38:08.000 But if they mean to enter the culture war, let it begin here. 0.55

01:38:11.000 Ooh.

01:38:13.000 I will take an apology.

01:38:15.000 That statement they put out, if they included it at the beginning, we are sorry for the sponsorship of Dylan Mulvaney.

01:38:21.000 I'd have said, okay.

01:38:22.000 I'll buy some bud right now.

01:38:23.000 I love Dylan.

01:38:25.000 I love that he's culture jamming and pissing people off.

01:38:27.000 I love it.

01:38:28.000 He's a master theater actor.

01:38:30.000 If it wasn't targeting children, I might agree with you.

01:38:32.000 No, that should be condemned every step of the way.

01:38:32.000 Oh, I can't stand.

01:38:36.000 I like culture jamming.

01:38:38.000 I like people who, you know, as I say, figuratively throw a pie.

01:38:41.000 I think Elon Musk is a master of it.

01:38:43.000 But you got to leave the kids out of it, man.

01:38:45.000 Like, let kids be kids.

01:38:46.000 Let them learn.

01:38:46.000 Let them grow up.

01:38:47.000 It's tough because kids are watching this right now.

01:38:49.000 So you just got to be judicious.

01:38:51.000 And I don't think it's a big conversation.

01:38:53.000 Stop when you're alone and you have 100 million followers when it's just you and you can't relate to anyone.

01:38:59.000 Let's read some more.

01:39:01.000 What do we got?

01:39:03.000 Scott Smith says, Tim and crew, don't be surprised if the next moving goalpost, Techopoly policy, no dissenting advertisers.

01:39:11.000 Here's some Monopoly monies towards Freedomistan. 0.85

01:39:13.000 Thank you, sir.

01:39:13.000 Do you mean no dissing advertisers?

01:39:18.000 No dissenting advertisers sounds like you're saying you can't advertise that you're upset with YouTube.

01:39:22.000 Whereas I think you mean no insulting or dissing advertisers.

01:39:27.000 No insulting advertisers.

01:39:30.000 That's interesting.

01:39:31.000 I loved it when Michael Bloomberg sponsored my channel.

01:39:34.000 Yeah, he was dumping so much money into YouTube.

01:39:36.000 When?

01:39:36.000 This was the 2020 cycle.

01:39:39.000 He was in the primary in 2019 or whatever.

01:39:41.000 And early 2020.

01:39:43.000 And people... Was it 2020, I think?

01:39:44.000 I don't know.

01:39:45.000 When was it?

01:39:45.000 Yeah, he ran in 2020.

01:39:46.000 Yeah.

01:39:47.000 And people were like, Tim, I'm seeing a whole bunch of Bloomberg ads on your videos and I don't like him.

01:39:51.000 And I'm like, I'll take his money.

01:39:52.000 I don't care.

01:39:53.000 Dude, there's Bud Light videos.

01:39:54.000 Bud Light ads all over your videos, like right away.

01:39:56.000 Yep.

01:39:57.000 Where are the RFK Jr.

01:39:58.000 ads?

01:39:59.000 That's all I want to know.

01:40:00.000 We gotta start sharing his stuff.

01:40:01.000 RFK Jr.

01:40:02.000 v. Vivek Ramaswamy.

01:40:04.000 Or Ramashwamy, as Donald Trump would call him.

01:40:07.000 D99tid says, Tim needs to watch the anime Dr. Stone.

01:40:10.000 Humanity gets fossilized for 3,000 years and rebuilds from scratch with modern-day knowledge.

01:40:14.000 Speechless.

01:40:15.000 I've seen it.

01:40:16.000 I've recommended it.

01:40:16.000 It's really cool.

01:40:18.000 It's this really smart dude.

01:40:19.000 Humanity gets fossilized.

01:40:21.000 Some people don't.

01:40:22.000 Thousands of years later, everyone's kind of like tribal-level intelligence, but this one dude is super smart.

01:40:27.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, because I haven't seen enough of it, but he basically... I don't know why they got fossilized.

01:40:32.000 Maybe that's been revealed and you guys know.

01:40:35.000 They, like, turned to stone.

01:40:36.000 But he was so smart, he, like, did something that, as soon as he turned to stone, it triggered the events by which it would de-fossilize him, because he's a genius.

01:40:44.000 Anyway, the story is, he's like, okay, we're gonna make a cell phone.

01:40:46.000 Here's what we gotta do.

01:40:47.000 And then they talk about all the things you have to get in order to make a cell phone.

01:40:50.000 He, like, makes vacuum tubes and glass, and it's really cool.

01:40:54.000 It's like a science show for kids, but it's... How would you make something if you were in the middle of the woods, you know?

01:40:59.000 What's that movie where they are like frozen for a hundred years and then everyone's really stupid and they wake up? 0.99

01:41:05.000 Idiocracy? 1.00

01:41:05.000 Idiocracy. 1.00

01:41:06.000 I feel like there's a similar correlation between these storylines.

01:41:09.000 Would you put yourself in cryostasis, Liz?

01:41:11.000 To wake up in a thousand years?

01:41:12.000 No.

01:41:13.000 I'm not living for this life.

01:41:15.000 I'm living with my eyes on eternity, or at least that's what I try to do.

01:41:17.000 Yeah, and people need to realize this too.

01:41:19.000 Would you?

01:41:22.000 Yeah, would you do it?

01:41:23.000 No, I got too much to do now.

01:41:24.000 Maybe if I was older.

01:41:25.000 Here's what would happen.

01:41:27.000 Imagine if someone from the year 1800 appeared right now in this time.

01:41:31.000 They would not know how to communicate.

01:41:33.000 They wouldn't know how to move from place to place.

01:41:35.000 They'd be going around asking for a horse.

01:41:36.000 And people would be like, we don't have any.

01:41:37.000 It's like, well, how am I supposed to get around?

01:41:39.000 Cars.

01:41:40.000 What is that and how does it work?

01:41:40.000 I have no idea.

01:41:42.000 How do I learn about what's going on in the world?

01:41:44.000 The internet.

01:41:44.000 Do you have a newspaper?

01:41:46.000 No, we don't.

01:41:47.000 So if you went 100, 200, 300 years in the future, you'd be like, I need to get online and figure out what's going on.

01:41:53.000 And there'd be some kid going, online?

01:41:55.000 What if they took you to an underground bunker and there's all these dudes and they're like, we are from the future and we need to put you in cryostasis because we need you in a thousand years.

01:42:01.000 Would you do it?

01:42:05.000 I don't know, dude.

01:42:07.000 It'd be really hard to convince me that was reality.

01:42:11.000 So probably not.

01:42:13.000 I'd be like, I don't know you.

01:42:14.000 We know you're going to say this.

01:42:15.000 I don't trust you.

01:42:15.000 That's why we have this.

01:42:16.000 And you'll be like, what is it?

01:42:17.000 Whatever it was.

01:42:19.000 I just, I don't think there's any way to actually convince someone that something is that fantastical is real.

01:42:25.000 They told us he was going to say that.

01:42:27.000 That's what the history books say.

01:42:28.000 He said he was going to say.

01:42:29.000 And they wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

01:42:31.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:42:33.000 Killian Chapman says, my favorite beer was Modelo before this stunt.

01:42:36.000 I will admit that I didn't realize that Modelo was AB product, but after I figured it out, I haven't had it since.

01:42:43.000 Well, I think it's that Anheuser-Busch owns like half of it or something like that.

01:42:47.000 I'm not entirely sure, but I think Modelo is partially owned.

01:42:50.000 Whereas like Anheuser-Busch has products they literally own.

01:42:53.000 And you wanna look it up real quick?

01:42:55.000 I'm pretty sure it's half owned.

01:42:55.000 I think that's the issue.

01:42:58.000 All right.

01:42:59.000 Cody Schofield says, I would exclusively buy Bud Light if they gave out an apology commercial, frame by frame, just like the BP South Park commercial.

01:43:07.000 Oh, hands down.

01:43:08.000 If they apologized, like a good, strong apology, like, Dylan Mulvaney, we believe, is like, over the top, and it was wrong of us to do this, we are sorry, we think kids should be kids, we shouldn't have, like, and they really hammer it on, I would, this house would be an Anheuser-Busch house.

01:43:22.000 We would buy all their beers for all of our guests and be like, they did right by us.

01:43:26.000 If they simply apologized, I will buy some beers.

01:43:29.000 It looks like Modelo is owned by InBev.

01:43:31.000 100 or half?

01:43:34.000 It's the parent company.

01:43:36.000 Oh, okay.

01:43:36.000 Well, there you go.

01:43:37.000 Worse than I thought.

01:43:38.000 That's the company that owns Budweiser.

01:43:41.000 All right, what do we got?

01:43:42.000 I'm just surprised they didn't, like, have Dyl Mulvaney sponsor their seltzer, right?

01:43:46.000 Like... Something that made more sense.

01:43:48.000 Something that almost made sense.

01:43:49.000 I'm not sure I would be okay with it because, again, of the audience's age, but, like, still... Why did you sacrifice your name?

01:43:56.000 It's just such a nutty thing to watch.

01:43:58.000 Like, I just don't understand how this conversation went down.

01:44:01.000 Mark Giudetti says, Tim, team up with Jeremy, Sydney, Liz, and other creators and take legal action against YouTube.

01:44:07.000 About taking down the videos.

01:44:08.000 We viewers will pay the legal cost.

01:44:09.000 It's not about winning the case.

01:44:10.000 It's about publicity.

01:44:12.000 I don't know if I agree with that statement, actually.

01:44:14.000 I think, actually, there's an argument to be made for winning the case.

01:44:17.000 We do not break the rules that YouTube has... We have a contract with YouTube.

01:44:21.000 YouTube has come to us.

01:44:22.000 We have come to them.

01:44:23.000 And we've agreed, if I provide X, they will provide Y.

01:44:27.000 We make content that appears on YouTube.

01:44:29.000 YouTube sells ads against that content.

01:44:31.000 It's a mutual partnership contract like any other business contract.

01:44:35.000 YouTube told us, however, if you do these things, then we will take action against you and negatively impact your work relationship with us.

01:44:44.000 YouTube sent a notice to Jeremy and Sydney saying, we think this violates our policy, so we're taking it down.

01:44:50.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.

01:44:53.000 If I have a contract with you that says you will deliver me oak and not birch, and then you come to me and say, you know what?

01:45:00.000 I think that might be Birch, so I'm not paying you.

01:45:03.000 You can't do that.

01:45:04.000 You have a contract.

01:45:05.000 You will get sued.

01:45:06.000 So there is a strong argument to be made that YouTube must either act 100% in alignment with what their policies are, or not at all.

01:45:15.000 That is to say, YouTube must definitively come out and say, outright, yes, this did breach the contract, here's why.

01:45:22.000 And the reason why I think they don't do that, we saw it with Alex Berenson when he sued Twitter.

01:45:28.000 They told him, here are the parameters by which you will be banned, and then when he got banned outside of those parameters, they were in breach of contract.

01:45:34.000 He won.

01:45:36.000 If they come to us and say, overtly, you did breach the contract, I can then argue, prove it in court, because we have a contractual agreement to make money for each other, and you are in breach of contract now.

01:45:47.000 And then they'll have to justify They'll say, yes, we can prove it.

01:45:51.000 The answer is, they can't prove that we did anything wrong.

01:45:53.000 We didn't.

01:45:54.000 We were talking about what someone else said.

01:45:56.000 We did not break those rules.

01:45:58.000 But they need to remove the content because Budweiser's mad.

01:46:01.000 I think they're in a dangerous territory where they're opening themselves up to litigation.

01:46:05.000 It would be really interesting to enter a suit in that capacity, because there may be a temporary injunction on removal of content in that period.

01:46:12.000 Meaning if Jeremy Hambly files a lawsuit against YouTube saying that this was a breach of contract, a judge may say, until the resolution of this case, you are blocked from further removing content from Jeremy Hambly.

01:46:25.000 That could be interesting.

01:46:27.000 Yeah.

01:46:28.000 Until the resolution of the case.

01:46:30.000 That'd be super interesting.

01:46:30.000 Because that's what our notice said.

01:46:32.000 It said you may be in violation.

01:46:35.000 And they intentionally want to be vague.

01:46:38.000 It's just like they're intentionally vague with their standards.

01:46:39.000 I do the same thing.

01:46:41.000 I'm not trying to be bombastic.

01:46:42.000 I'm not trying to violate their terms of service.

01:46:44.000 I understand.

01:46:45.000 I don't agree with the terms that they set, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go in there and violate them because I don't agree.

01:46:49.000 I know what their terms are.

01:46:50.000 I try to work around it.

01:46:51.000 But it's not even that.

01:46:52.000 It's like, when talking about these issues in particular, The spirit of the rule, the intent of the rule, is they don't want someone coming on and being extremely insightful.

01:47:04.000 To call someone a derogatory slur or deride them intentionally to cause pain.

01:47:11.000 They would prefer that they're insightful.

01:47:13.000 Right, in the correct way.

01:47:15.000 And so, the way I refer to it is, be academic, right?

01:47:18.000 When we make an argument about gender ideology, it's not because we hate anybody, it's because we love them.

01:47:23.000 When there are kids who are suffering from something, we want to help them in the proper way.

01:47:27.000 So, when you look at what happened in Europe, they abandoned the child sex change surgery and puberty blockers because it was hurting them.

01:47:34.000 So, out of a place of love, we are saying we need to stop hurting these kids.

01:47:39.000 We've seen the evidence out of Europe.

01:47:41.000 They shut down Tavistock.

01:47:42.000 The Scandinavian countries have abandoned this.

01:47:44.000 It clearly is causing more harm than good.

01:47:46.000 For the sake of the betterment of these children and for these individuals, we want them to get better treatment.

01:47:51.000 If YouTube strikes you for that, Now they're in breach of contract, hands down.

01:47:56.000 Hands down.

01:47:57.000 So I think any time someone gets a strike, they need to file a lawsuit immediately.

01:48:02.000 File a lawsuit and just say, look, we have a contract, you've breached it.

01:48:07.000 If the court agrees that we are wrong, we accept those. 0.97

01:48:10.000 It's up to a judge to decide.

01:48:11.000 But imagine a world, we're in this world right now where When you sign up for YouTube, it's a mutual contract.

01:48:17.000 YouTube needs our content in order to sell ads.

01:48:20.000 We need their ads to generate revenue.

01:48:22.000 We need their platform to host our content.

01:48:24.000 It's a mutual agreement.

01:48:26.000 For YouTube to just say, we're gonna breach your contract outright, good luck?

01:48:30.000 That's not how the business world works.

01:48:32.000 You can't do that.

01:48:33.000 I haven't read the entire terms.

01:48:34.000 Do they have a clause where it says they can ban anyone at any time for no reason?

01:48:37.000 Yes, but I don't believe that actually is fly.

01:48:42.000 It just seems so illegitimate. 0.82

01:48:44.000 Even if it's in writing, it seems ridiculous.

01:48:46.000 So that was the issue with Alex Berenson, I think.

01:48:48.000 It was because they said, here's what constitutes a violation of our rules.

01:48:51.000 At that point, it sort of, I could be wrong, but I believe that nullifies the, we can do whatever we want whenever we want.

01:48:58.000 Because there's an expectation among the individual that the working agreement does not mean you will arbitrarily ban someone.

01:49:04.000 It means you will only be banned for a reason.

01:49:06.000 And then they have to specify what that reason is.

01:49:09.000 One of the reasons Twitter would often say you're banned for blank was because they knew if they gave a reason, they could be challenged in court more easily.

01:49:17.000 I don't think not giving a reason is going to fly.

01:49:21.000 I think we saw Alex Berenson won.

01:49:22.000 He got reinstated because of it.

01:49:23.000 I mean, isn't that why they use these terms like hate speech and harassment?

01:49:27.000 Because they can just define that on the fly as anything they want.

01:49:30.000 So they can actually target people based on their opinions and their ideology or their dissent from the prevailing radical leftist ideology.

01:49:37.000 And they can just say, oh, we've decided that this is harassment because it hurts somebody's feelings.

01:49:40.000 We've decided that this is hateful because we think your views on sex or gender are not what we think they should be.

01:49:47.000 So we think it's targeted at someone individually.

01:49:49.000 It's intentionally vague.

01:49:51.000 But I got one for you.

01:49:54.000 If the videos where we highlight what Matt Walsh says constitutes a violation because we play what Matt Walsh says, if a video of Donald Trump making a statement constitutes a violation because a news outlet, I think this happened to The Hill, Arising, they showed a clip of Donald Trump talking, who talked about the election, 2020, so they took the clip down.

01:50:13.000 That's really interesting because David Pakman had Mike Lindell on his channel, and Mike Lindell said all of the exact same things, and there was no enforcement action, proving YouTube is breaching its contract with The Hill Rising for this removal by allowing some people to display that same content, and others not to.

01:50:29.000 So, it's time to start filing those lawsuits.

01:50:33.000 To be like, look, I don't hate YouTube.

01:50:36.000 I want YouTube to be better.

01:50:38.000 But YouTube, if we have an agreement and you breach that, I'm sorry, that's not legal.

01:50:42.000 That's a civil tort violation and it needs to be adjudicated.

01:50:46.000 It's not gonna be solved until people actually file the paperwork.

01:50:51.000 And if it turns out legally we're in the wrong, oh, well then so be it.

01:50:54.000 But you have to file in a court and have a judge decide.

01:50:58.000 We'll see what happens.

01:51:00.000 All right, what do we got?

01:51:03.000 Let's grab some more superchats.

01:51:06.000 Garhent says, please Tim, send Ian to summer Bible camp.

01:51:09.000 This is the last superchat you will ever get from me.

01:51:11.000 Look me up, I'm a whale. 0.99

01:51:13.000 I'm atheist, but Ian's ignorance on faith is so cringe, it's so jerkish, you need a button to tell him to cork insulting people. 0.99

01:51:21.000 You know, perhaps a little harsh, Garhent, but I do think, Ian, you often have a bit of invective in your speech when you're talking about religion. 0.99

01:51:29.000 Tell me more about that.

01:51:31.000 Well, I think when you bring it up, you bring things up in a way that seem to be intentionally insulting to Christians.

01:51:36.000 Instead of being academic and asking them, you say outright, you're worshipping a false idol, Jesus is not God.

01:51:43.000 Instead of saying... I never flipped over one of Joel Osteen's tables.

01:51:47.000 Sure, but I'm saying like— That's what Jesus did.

01:51:49.000 He went into the church where they were selling things and he flipped a table over because he was like, this is not about money, this is about God.

01:51:55.000 Maybe the appropriate way is to say, okay, I'm not a Christian, but you're Catholic.

01:52:00.000 How do you explain to me the difference between worshiping the human of Jesus and God?

01:52:05.000 Because I don't understand, right?

01:52:06.000 That would be a more respectful way to approach the subject in which you're not familiar, as opposed to saying, no, you're wrong.

01:52:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:13.000 I'm not saying that example specifically was the most oppressive.

01:52:16.000 I think you're right.

01:52:17.000 Probably the humility of me just becoming a student of religion would be way more effective.

01:52:22.000 I wasn't insulted by you.

01:52:25.000 I mean, if you want my perfectly honest analysis, I thought you didn't know much about the Ten Commandments or much about Christianity, so it was like the absence of information that you were drawing a conclusion that was just kind of wildly incorrect, but I didn't feel animosity in that, I just felt like a little ignorance about the topic.

01:52:44.000 I think we're having Kirk Cameron on at some point.

01:52:46.000 I could be totally wrong about that.

01:52:48.000 And I don't want to say that because he's such a big famous guy and I'm kind of like, maybe I shouldn't say that unless I know for sure.

01:52:54.000 But I'm hoping that's the case.

01:52:57.000 That'd be interesting.

01:52:58.000 I normally don't like to mention guests, but I think he would be one of the best.

01:53:02.000 But let me just double check.

01:53:03.000 Is he bringing Candace Cameron?

01:53:06.000 That's what I was wondering.

01:53:06.000 I just want to know.

01:53:07.000 Let's do it. 0.95

01:53:08.000 Part of being ignorant is like if you're in a conversation with someone and you're ignorant and you're humble about it, it never really bothers the other person because they can tell and it's like, let's just talk about it and we'll learn together. 1.00

01:53:17.000 But when people are listening and they can't respond, it's not then they'll be like, God, that ignorant guy. 0.99

01:53:23.000 I'm not able to say that. 0.99

01:53:24.000 Just listen.

01:53:25.000 And I can't because he's on TV.

01:53:27.000 And so I understand the frustration from people on the other side of the screen.

01:53:30.000 I actually think it's one of the nicest things that we have totally lost in our culture to be able to sit down and be like, well, listen, our worldview is pretty different, right?

01:53:38.000 Like me being a Catholic Christian, you not.

01:53:42.000 That changes the way that we view almost every situation from each other.

01:53:45.000 But to be able to actually sit down and have a conversation, that's what's been completely lost in our culture, not just religiously, but politically.

01:53:51.000 Where like, you know, I'm going to James Madison University instead of the people, you know, who disagree with me coming and saying like, He is not.

01:53:58.000 I don't know why I thought that.

01:54:00.000 Kirk Cameron, can you hear us?

01:54:01.000 We need you to come on the show now.

01:54:02.000 Now maybe he will.

01:54:04.000 Bring your sister. 0.95

01:54:05.000 I want to talk to her about the Hallmark Channel.

01:54:06.000 I'll just say this right now.

01:54:08.000 I thought we may have booked him, but Kirk is probably like, someone's hitting up, are you going on Tim's show?

01:54:12.000 He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

01:54:16.000 Just to wrap that up, he's not on the schedule.

01:54:19.000 I wish he was on the schedule.

01:54:20.000 Kirk Cameron, we desperately need you to come so that you, me, and Ian can sit down and you can explain things to Ian.

01:54:25.000 Beautiful.

01:54:26.000 Let's do a Culture War podcast in the day, and then if you want to stick around, we'll come on the show on Friday night and talk.

01:54:31.000 And bring your sister, because we've got stuff to talk about with her, too.

01:54:31.000 We should reach out.

01:54:34.000 Candace, I love you.

01:54:34.000 And bring your sister.

01:54:36.000 Full House is one of the best shows of all time.

01:54:38.000 Because of you.

01:54:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:54:40.000 She's a delight.

01:54:42.000 No, my thought was just- I'm totally throwing you off by your random calls.

01:54:45.000 No, I'm just doing like a hard transition there.

01:54:48.000 I appreciate having conversations.

01:54:49.000 I think, like, listen, like I said, I'm going to this college campus and instead of people coming and saying, like, coming up to the microphone, there's a literal open mic at this event.

01:54:55.000 It's a public event open to anyone.

01:54:57.000 Instead of coming up and being like, Liz, you say X, Y, Z, and I think you're wrong because of A, B, C, and like trying to destroy my argument.

01:55:04.000 Like, come and try to destroy my argument.

01:55:05.000 Like, we should be having these debates.

01:55:07.000 But we've gotten to a point in our culture where they say that my opinion is violence, that it's harming them.

01:55:11.000 Right.

01:55:11.000 And that they're unwilling to even engage?

01:55:13.000 Like, I think this is the most fun thing ever, to be able to sit here and be like, yeah, we mutually respect each other, we're having conversation about very different worldviews, let's understand, let's argue, let's even tell each other, like, no, you're totally wrong, and here's why, and still no animosity?

01:55:25.000 Like, that's actually what makes a civilization, because everyone's not going to be of one mind on every issue, but talking about it is like...

01:55:32.000 Great.

01:55:33.000 I got a good one.

01:55:34.000 Milo Hoffman says, you are arguing about the wrong thing.

01:55:36.000 Public schools should not exist.

01:55:39.000 Government has no more business running our schools than they do running our churches.

01:55:42.000 We need separation of school and state.

01:55:43.000 Agreed.

01:55:44.000 Yeah, I'm not against that.

01:55:45.000 But in the reality that they do currently exist, what do we do with them?

01:55:50.000 I agree though, by the way.

01:55:51.000 I know that this is even beyond what base conservatism is.

01:55:54.000 I said this to my producer the other day, I was like, pretty soon I'm going to come out and say we shouldn't even have public schools and all the conservatives are going to try to distance themselves from me, and five years from now they're going to be like, oh, that girl was right!

01:56:07.000 Because, I mean, what are they doing?

01:56:09.000 They're just indoctrination centers, but indoctrinating bad stuff. 0.96

01:56:13.000 So, Lothair Mordred, Shirk Media says, Tim, I loved your content, but I view Marxism and Christianity as hypocritical and very destructive. 0.95

01:56:21.000 I think Marxism is.

01:56:22.000 I actually think... My view of... I'm not a Christian.

01:56:26.000 And my view of Christianity is...

01:56:30.000 Let me just, I'll tell you the same old story I've told a million times.

01:56:33.000 Sodom and Gomorrah, if there's but one righteous person, right?

01:56:36.000 That is the root of the presumption of innocence.

01:56:39.000 So my view of Christianity is that we have, our founding fathers in this country, crafted a set of morals and guidelines rooted in Christian morals and ethics that we all basically agree are really, really good.

01:56:52.000 I think you gotta watch out for charlatans.

01:56:54.000 You gotta watch out for people who are like, I'm a good Christian, and they're actually like evil narcissists who are trying to accumulate power. 0.86

01:57:00.000 But Marxism is just inherently bad.

01:57:04.000 And the radical theories, critical theory, critical gender theory, they're all really, really bad, divisive.

01:57:09.000 They breed hate and animosity.

01:57:11.000 And the moral framework of Christianity is actually something most people would agree on, even Bill Maher.

01:57:18.000 He may not know, I'd love to have the conversation with him, but like I mentioned, The presumption of innocence literally came from the Bible.

01:57:24.000 Blackstone was inspired by this.

01:57:26.000 Blackstone's formulation.

01:57:27.000 Ben Franklin said it later.

01:57:28.000 You don't have to believe in all the tenets of Christianity to recognize the moral framework there has benefited us greatly and created individual rights, the pursuit of happiness, the self-governance.

01:57:40.000 I mean, tremendously amazing things.

01:57:42.000 It's natural law.

01:57:43.000 What you're talking about is natural law.

01:57:44.000 Like, when I said Edmund Burke's philosophy underpinned our Constitution, the Constitution was built on British law, right?

01:57:51.000 Like, on English common law, which was rooted in natural law.

01:57:56.000 Yeah, I think.

01:57:57.000 We have to get back to that.

01:57:58.000 It's what Prager called cut flower.

01:58:00.000 I think he called it cut flower politics or ideology.

01:58:03.000 I always get it wrong but he basically described you have this beautiful flower and you snip it from its roots and hold it and show off how beautiful it is and then in a few days it's dead because you've cut it from its roots and our roots come from this Judeo-Christian moral framework that I think are beneficial.

01:58:19.000 I don't think that mindless collectivism is a good thing.

01:58:23.000 I think you can find that anywhere.

01:58:24.000 I think you can find good churches and bad churches.

01:58:27.000 I think you can find charlatans in Christianity who pretend to be good, moral, pious individuals when they're actually just trying to steal from you. 0.98

01:58:33.000 And then I think people often will look at the worst and assume that of all people.

01:58:40.000 So I don't like to do that.

01:58:41.000 I like to judge people as an individual.

01:58:43.000 Someone who is Christian, that doesn't inherently instantly mean I think they're a good person. 1.00

01:58:47.000 And I would love to have you on the show, Joel Osteen.

01:58:50.000 I mentioned flipping a table over and using church for money, which is a reference to what Jesus did in the temple.

01:58:56.000 So like, I know you have a multi-million dollar giant mega church where you make, I don't know how many hundreds of millions of dollars per year, but I still want to talk to you about God.

01:59:05.000 Well, right on.

01:59:06.000 I think it would be cool.

01:59:07.000 We should definitely try and reach out to Kirk Cameron's people and do a Culture War podcast discussion.

01:59:10.000 Maybe even Seamus.

01:59:12.000 So, we'll wrap there.

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01:59:24.000 Liz, do you want to shout anything out?

01:59:25.000 Yeah, thanks so much for having me.

01:59:26.000 You guys have been great.

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01:59:42.000 This has been great.

01:59:43.000 Yeah, it's been cool to have you on.

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02:00:06.000 Thank you.

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02:00:16.000 That's next Saturday in Austin.

02:00:18.000 So I hope to see you there.

02:00:19.000 Liz, thank you for talking about neutrality.

02:00:22.000 This has me thinking deeply because I've been stuck in this oscillating evil good mind, but I think you might be right that you can oscillate above.

02:00:31.000 So thank you.

02:00:32.000 Thank you.

02:00:32.000 I'll be thinking a lot about that.

02:00:35.000 Yeah, this is great.

02:00:36.000 I really enjoyed it.

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02:00:47.000 And this was a good one.

02:00:48.000 I always like when the religion stuff comes up.

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02:00:51.000 All right, everybody.

02:00:52.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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