Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - February 06, 2022


Timcast - Uncensored: Democrats Move To BAR Madison Cawthorne From Running Signal Something Dark is Coming w-Julie Kelly


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On this weekend's episode of Sunday Uncensored, we take a deep dive into the Democratic Party's attempt to delegitimize the results of the 2020 presidential election, and why we think we're in a civil war.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored.
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00:00:23.000 So the Democrats are trying to play a very dirty game, which sends a very dangerous signal that, to me, we're in a civil war.
00:00:31.000 I know there's a lot of people who are like, oh, please, Tim, we're not in a civil war.
00:00:34.000 Sure, I don't care.
00:00:35.000 Call it whatever you want.
00:00:35.000 But listen, when they're filing lawsuits to bar Madison Cawthorn from running for reelection, he won.
00:00:42.000 He's popular.
00:00:43.000 People say, I'd like this man to represent me.
00:00:46.000 So then the Democrats come out and say, call him an insurrectionist, sue him so he can't be in politics anymore.
00:00:51.000 We are no longer in a representative constitutional republic.
00:00:56.000 We are in political lawfare between two different factions who don't care.
00:01:01.000 I gotta be honest, the Democratic establishment doesn't care what's true.
00:01:04.000 They lie all day every day.
00:01:05.000 They lie, they cheat, they steal, they smear.
00:01:07.000 We get it.
00:01:08.000 They're using law enforcement to their advantage, and now they are using the weight Of the judicial system to try and bar populist Republicans from running for office.
00:01:17.000 Yo! 1.00
00:01:19.000 I think we're in a civil war.
00:01:20.000 Right now, aside from the Madison Cawthorn thing, we have this other story from Politico.
00:01:24.000 January 6th, Select Committee subpoenas phone records of Arizona GOP Chair Kelly Ward. 1.00
00:01:29.000 They're saying that, look at this, that she, where is this stupid bullshit? 1.00
00:01:34.000 That she filed fraudulent documents claiming that she won, I don't even know where it is, the Daily Beast polled the Select. 1.00
00:01:42.000 They're claiming that these people signed fraudulent elector slates.
00:01:47.000 And that they should be charged as insurrectionists for doing so.
00:01:50.000 I just want to point out, I don't know if I want to go through this and figure out.
00:01:55.000 Let me see if I can just search for elector.
00:01:58.000 There we go.
00:01:59.000 Oh, it's right in the beginning.
00:02:00.000 They say that they both signed documents falsely claiming to be among their state's presidential electors in 2020.
00:02:08.000 This is the narrative being pushed by the left to claim that they were pushing forged documents to steal an election. 0.64
00:02:13.000 Except in 1960, we have this Wikipedia page where, uh, where's the stupid Hawaii portion? 0.93
00:02:19.000 You know what? 0.75
00:02:19.000 Why did this all jump on me? 0.75
00:02:20.000 Maybe change sides.
00:02:21.000 Here we go.
00:02:22.000 In the 1960 presidential election, Hawaii certified the Republican electors, but Democrats went and certified their own electors without the state, without winning the election.
00:02:33.000 There was a court case and ultimately Richard Nixon said, I'm gonna go to the Democrats even though it means I lose.
00:02:38.000 This is historical precedent. 1.00
00:02:40.000 For the Democrats to come out now and claim that because they filed elector certificates and submitted them, they submitted forged documents, just goes to show, shit's getting fucking crazy. 0.99
00:02:52.000 That's the easiest way to put it. I think we are at the front gates of civil war and sure you can 0.99
00:02:58.000 argue it's like there's no hot conflict. There is. I mean, you know, Aaron Danielson was shot
00:03:02.000 twice in the chest by a Black Lives Matter supporter. There is hot conflict. But when once
00:03:07.000 the violence, we've seen the political conflict on the ground.
00:03:11.000 Now it's reached the highest levels of politics and government and law enforcement, the FBI for instance, January 6th, all of that stuff.
00:03:17.000 Once this stops working is when things get violent and that's scary. 0.98
00:03:22.000 They are trying to stop the Marjorie Taylor Greene's, the Lauren Boebert's, the Madison Cawthorn's from being able to be elected officials through bullshit. 0.98
00:03:31.000 And what happens if they win? 0.99
00:03:34.000 What happens if they lose?
00:03:36.000 They're not going to de-escalate.
00:03:38.000 So, I don't know, Julia, we talked a lot about what was going on with January 6th and the weight of the federal government going after, you know, regular people.
00:03:47.000 What do you think this all this all heads to?
00:03:49.000 I mean, the just the January 6 committee is subpoenaing people's private records and they're expanding their reach.
00:03:56.000 It is it is abusive.
00:03:57.000 What is it like?
00:03:58.000 What is where they say $100,000 to respond to this?
00:04:00.000 Is it 100?
00:04:00.000 At least 100 grand to respond to subpoenas.
00:04:03.000 Yo, we're in pre Soviet era Russia.
00:04:06.000 I mean, it's coming.
00:04:07.000 Well, it absolutely is.
00:04:08.000 And these electoral, these phony electoral slates, they were like mailed to the National Archives and Congress, just like randomly mailed.
00:04:16.000 I don't think that they were any official documents.
00:04:19.000 It's not like, you know, they got together and actually had their own convention and tried to supersede the actual electors from their state.
00:04:27.000 So I'm not really sure where this is targeting.
00:04:29.000 Again, it's just a fake story.
00:04:31.000 But, you know, these subpoenas, I have to say, The big tech companies, the cell providers, they are playing right along with DOJ and with this committee, tracking down people's private information, confirming their email addresses, their social media accounts.
00:04:46.000 It's really terrifying how the government is working hand in hand with big tech to collect this, to produce this evidence.
00:04:54.000 And Alex Jones pointed out they had a lot of his private information, his texts.
00:04:59.000 They do!
00:05:00.000 And these big tech companies aren't even fighting these subpoenas.
00:05:03.000 Have you heard of one battle where Google or AT&T or Verizon is challenging a subpoena?
00:05:11.000 Hell no! 0.93
00:05:11.000 They're handing it right over. 0.93
00:05:12.000 And I read it in every criminal indictment for criminal charging document for January 6th defendants.
00:05:18.000 Misdemeanors.
00:05:19.000 They're like, we subpoenaed AT&T, Verizon, we subpoenaed Facebook, Instagram, Snap to confirm this person was identified and then they match it up with their driver's license.
00:05:30.000 I mean, it is a huge production waste of resources.
00:05:33.000 What happened to Ray Epps?
00:05:35.000 Where is he?
00:05:36.000 I think he's still in Arizona.
00:05:37.000 And he's just not... He's just doing his catering business or something.
00:05:42.000 It's really crazy what's happening in this country.
00:05:45.000 And I think people aren't going to go quietly.
00:05:48.000 I'm really worried about what's going to happen this year, to be completely honest.
00:05:51.000 The Ray Epps thing is a huge punch in the face to people who are paying attention.
00:05:56.000 That the narrative is a lie.
00:05:57.000 That it was... Who is... I'm forgetting the guy's name.
00:06:01.000 Kinzinger.
00:06:01.000 Adam Kinzinger.
00:06:02.000 Yeah, when he was like, he just said go into the Capitol, but he didn't actually do it.
00:06:06.000 It's like, Trump didn't even say anything like that?
00:06:09.000 But wait, let's back up too.
00:06:10.000 And then Adam Kinzinger lied.
00:06:12.000 Remember, this was after the Senate Judiciary Committee, when Ted Cruz confronted the DOJ and FBI officials, wanted to know who Ray Epps was.
00:06:20.000 So that night, the January 6th committee came out, they tweeted out a statement.
00:06:24.000 Adam Kinzinger said, we talked to Ray Epps, He is not a law, he's not an informant for law enforcement, doesn't represent law enforcement, never did, etc., etc.
00:06:35.000 Then they had to come out, what, two weeks ago and say, oh, we're going to do a formal sit down with Ray Epps because everyone was saying, okay, well, let's see the transcript then, release the, well, they didn't.
00:06:45.000 They had an informal interview with him.
00:06:47.000 Now they're saying they're going to have a sworn testimony from him.
00:06:52.000 But look, more importantly than that, the same hearing, you had the FBI Counterterrorism Chief, Jill Sanborn.
00:07:00.000 She was asked twice by Ted Cruz, how many FBI agents or informants either incited or were involved in violent behavior on January 6th?
00:07:12.000 Twice, she refused to answer the question.
00:07:15.000 Ray Epps is the tip of the iceberg, right?
00:07:17.000 I mean, he is the symbol because people can kind of graph like, Okay, well, why is this guy, why is he not charged?
00:07:23.000 Why is the media white knighting him?
00:07:26.000 You know, everybody, the memas are insurrectionists, but all of a sudden they're like, well, Ray Ups, you know, he was... The guy who called for it.
00:07:32.000 The guy who was literally whispering in the ear of the first person who broke through the barrier before they did, or the barrier that was broken through rather than the one that was removed by police.
00:07:40.000 That's exactly right.
00:07:41.000 Let's give people some context.
00:07:43.000 So it is a lot of speculation about this Ray Epstein and potential FBI involvement, but there is a lot we know about the Whitmer plot and the FBI's involvement.
00:07:52.000 So can you break the story down for us?
00:07:54.000 I'm going to try to go through it as quickly as possible.
00:07:54.000 This story is crazy.
00:07:57.000 So the FBI infiltrated these militia groups, as I said.
00:08:03.000 Militia groups, I think of them, are a lot of FBI constructs anyway.
00:08:07.000 They had some random guys on Facebook talking about the anti-lockdown rallies in Michigan.
00:08:13.000 FBI infiltrated it, ran informants into it, hosted and paid for national militia conferences, if you can believe that anyone would go to it, but they lured these suspects and other suspects into these conferences.
00:08:28.000 They paid for and organized all the optics, the surveillance trips, the training camps, so they had The FBI had all of the suspects who were like aiming their rifles and they're pretending they're going to go after Gretchen Whitmer's vacation cottage.
00:08:44.000 Anyway, it turns out they announced the arrests of these men in October of 2020 as early voting is underway in Michigan.
00:08:51.000 arrest six men for federal crimes, another eight men for state charges.
00:08:56.000 Anyway, it turns out there's many FBI informants or agents involved in this plot,
00:09:03.000 is there are defendants.
00:09:05.000 Okay, fine.
00:09:06.000 You say that's great.
00:09:08.000 The top three FBI agents have been removed from the case.
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00:10:40.000 He was actually fired by the FBI, which is almost impossible to do, right?
00:10:44.000 So he signed the criminal complaint.
00:10:46.000 He's off the case.
00:10:47.000 The other two top FBI agents also have been removed from the witness list.
00:10:52.000 One of their top informants who organized all these surveillance trips, lured people to the militia conference, paid for everything, the cars, the hotels, everything else, they're now accusing him of being a double agent.
00:11:05.000 They might actually charge their own informant, who was a convicted felon, by the way, who committed two other crimes during the Whitmer Caper, they might charge him as a co-defendant along with the federal defendants, which would remove him from the defense witness list because the defense has put together what I think a very compelling case of FBI entrapment.
00:11:28.000 So that he can plead the fifth.
00:11:29.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:11:29.000 I was just going to say it.
00:11:31.000 Wow. 1.00
00:11:32.000 No, this is mind blowing shit. 1.00
00:11:34.000 You could not make this up. 1.00
00:11:36.000 Okay.
00:11:37.000 So, the defense counsel has put together this entrapment case.
00:11:40.000 They actually asked the judge to compel the government, this DOJ, to offer immunity to their own FBI agents so the defense could call them as witnesses and they would get some sort of protected immunity for their testimony.
00:11:56.000 I mean, this is crazy stuff.
00:11:57.000 So, the trial's supposed to start on March 8th.
00:12:00.000 Here's the tie to January 6th, just one.
00:12:03.000 The head of the Detroit FBI field office, Steven DeAntuono, and I'm going to credit Darren Beatty because he's the one that found this.
00:12:11.000 The arrests were announced October 8, 2020.
00:12:15.000 A week later, Steven DeAntuono is moved from the Detroit FBI field office to where?
00:12:21.000 DC FBI field office.
00:12:24.000 A huge promotion.
00:12:25.000 The same FBI office that's basically in charge of all the prosecutions and investigations for January 6th, but also would have been in charge of any informants or agents who are involved in the events of January 6th.
00:12:37.000 There's so many similarities, but this case is falling apart and who knows what's going to happen now.
00:12:44.000 If they charge their own informant as a double agent and make him a co-defendant, then the defense can't call him. 0.93
00:12:51.000 Yo, this is really scary shit, all of this stuff happening. 0.98
00:12:54.000 Yes, it is. 0.99
00:12:55.000 There is a war against regular people in this country.
00:12:57.000 The machine is trying to seize power.
00:12:59.000 Ian was mentioning this a bit on the main show about how, you know, first they try to bribe you, then they go for an assassination, then they go for, you know, a full-scale invasion.
00:13:10.000 And so relating that to what we're seeing, it's like they tried the propaganda and the propaganda has failed. 0.98
00:13:16.000 And now they're going full fucking boot on the neck. 0.98
00:13:19.000 Let me ask you a question. 0.99
00:13:20.000 Have you heard all of this information about the Whitmer?
00:13:23.000 Anyone?
00:13:23.000 A little bit.
00:13:24.000 The play The Fifth Thing, I may have heard something about it, but not like I didn't.
00:13:28.000 But it's being completely memory hold.
00:13:30.000 The media is not picking up.
00:13:31.000 They haven't written one thing about it.
00:13:33.000 Never.
00:13:34.000 Never, ever, ever.
00:13:35.000 I believe it was actually one of your former guests, Tim, who was talking about this.
00:13:38.000 He basically said that one of the theories for why certain actors on January 6th who were suspected by the public of being feds are being charged with sedition is so that they can't be forced to testify in the other Do you think he's a Fed?
00:13:53.000 I think he's associated with some group.
00:13:56.000 Now, there's also the Feds, but there's also political actors, right?
00:14:00.000 So think of Christopher Steele.
00:14:02.000 We were told he was an ex-British intelligence officer.
00:14:06.000 Not only was he an FBI informant, he was also obviously paid by DNC and Clintons and also a Russian lobbyist for Oleg Deripaska.
00:14:16.000 So he straddled all of these worlds.
00:14:18.000 As swampy as a person can be.
00:14:19.000 So there are a lot of political actors in here too that may kind of straddle that world.
00:14:24.000 Maybe they were informants.
00:14:25.000 Maybe they were in the military.
00:14:26.000 Maybe they were something and then they were snatched up by who knows.
00:14:31.000 Look at all the money on the left.
00:14:32.000 They could work for any number of organizations.
00:14:35.000 So Stuart Rhodes, no.
00:14:37.000 Do I think the Stuart Rhodes story is legit?
00:14:39.000 No.
00:14:40.000 What's the story?
00:14:42.000 Well, finally, after a year and after a lot of people raised the point, why is Stuart Rhodes, who is person one in the Oath Keepers conspiracy case, why do you have 20 some odd people who have been charged, but person one has not been charged over a year later?
00:14:57.000 I mean, there are Oath Keepers who have been in jail now for a year awaiting trial, but person one in every single indictment isn't.
00:15:04.000 So finally, they indict Stuart Rhodes on seditious conspiracy.
00:15:08.000 They add 10 other Oath Keepers who've already been charged.
00:15:11.000 Um, he was, uh, he has, he is under pretrial detention right now.
00:15:16.000 He's going to be transported from Texas to the DC Gulag.
00:15:21.000 Um, but there's still something super sketchy about that whole case, his involvement and why for over a year, if he led and then they, he hasn't filed a tax return since 2007.
00:15:32.000 How do you get away with that?
00:15:35.000 He makes no money?
00:15:39.000 If you make under a certain amount, you're going to file a tax return.
00:15:41.000 Well, yeah.
00:15:42.000 Yeah.
00:15:42.000 But okay.
00:15:43.000 Well, it's still weird.
00:15:45.000 Extremely bizarre.
00:15:46.000 And it's also extremely strange that they would wait a full year to go after him.
00:15:49.000 It was again, your former guest who mentioned this.
00:15:51.000 Well, the thing about them gathering evidence doesn't really hold water because if this person, because first of all, this person's a flight risk, right?
00:15:58.000 They needed the story in an election year.
00:16:00.000 Okay, fair enough.
00:16:01.000 But I guess my point is, this person was not arrested and charged on the basis of whether they really committed a crime, but on the basis of what was politically expedient.
00:16:08.000 That's what it seems like.
00:16:10.000 I think for sure they would have tapped Stuart Rhodes if the Deep State was looking for somebody to get ahead of the Oath Keepers. 0.61
00:16:17.000 Unless he's in with them.
00:16:18.000 Oh, that's what I mean when I say they tapped him.
00:16:19.000 They were like, hey, you're working with us now. 0.99
00:16:22.000 If you disagree, then some bad shit's gonna come your way. 0.95
00:16:24.000 What they do is they start the organization. 0.99
00:16:27.000 That's right. They start the militia and then trying to track anybody. This is the in the mo for the FBI for
00:16:33.000 decades Wow, I have a man oath keepers
00:16:35.000 Remember remember that guy in the 90s who claimed that they were trying to get him to blow up the World Trade Center
00:16:42.000 What was his name? Soleil Soleil or something like that?
00:16:44.000 Can you look it up?
00:16:45.000 So there was this dude, I haven't read the story in a long time
00:16:48.000 So, you know probably factually but he's like they wanted me to get a van and like put bombs in it and then bring it
00:16:54.000 to the world trade center but he got scared and he backed away 0.98
00:16:56.000 was like I'm not fucking doing that you crazy 0.99
00:16:58.000 And then he came out and was like, they told me to do it, what the fuck, they said they were trying to catch somebody. 0.99
00:17:02.000 I don't even know how to search for that, what would I? 0.96
00:17:04.000 World Trade Center bombing, Salam Saleh or something like that?
00:17:07.000 Salam Saleh, that's... Something like that.
00:17:09.000 I mean, it's so bizarre and it's so terrifying and...
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00:17:47.000 With this deep state activity, I mentioned this sort of being red-pilled more recently,
00:17:51.000 I think, and recently, I mean, you know, past five or six years after Trump came to office
00:17:55.000 and really coming to recognize the kind of behavior that the deep state is willing to
00:17:59.000 engage in.
00:18:00.000 But also, it's no surprise when you actually pay attention to what they do in other countries.
00:18:04.000 It's completely Well, here's one point about that related to January 6, too.
00:18:09.000 So you had all these proud boys, right?
00:18:09.000 our government to create or fund groups that they later go on to fight
00:18:13.000 themselves. I don't know why we would assume they're above doing that on their
00:18:16.000 own soil. They do it everywhere else. Well here's one point about that related to
00:18:21.000 January 6th too. So you had all these proud boys, right? We were told and we
00:18:24.000 know that there were informants run into that.
00:18:26.000 The New York Times has confirmed it.
00:18:29.000 You see all these guys in neon hats who are with the Proud Boys during the first breach.
00:18:34.000 Now, remember, you have Ray Epps who whispers in the ear of Ryan Samsell, as you said.
00:18:39.000 Ryan Samsell is the first guy who breaches kind of these late bike wrecks or whatever.
00:18:43.000 Who is behind them?
00:18:44.000 All these Proud Boys, including these guys in neon caps.
00:18:48.000 I mean, there's dozens of them.
00:18:50.000 There are only about 20 men Who have been charged related to the Proud Boys.
00:18:54.000 Not 100.
00:18:55.000 It's not 150.
00:18:57.000 You've got like 20.
00:18:57.000 You've got total 50 militia people tied to alleged militia groups who have been charged related to January 6th.
00:19:06.000 But if you look, you saw a huge group of Proud Boys.
00:19:09.000 Well, where are the rest of them?
00:19:11.000 Yeah, the whole thing's a farce.
00:19:12.000 And it's also important to note here, we're talking about the people in these militias, quote-unquote, that were either infiltrated by the feds or started by the feds and how some of them are going down with some more serious charges and obviously the idea there Is not only to malign the right, and not only to make it easier to go to war with the American people and suppress political dissent, but also to disincentivize your average person who might be inclined to be more involved in politics to join one of these organizations, because you might end up in some kind of trouble.
00:19:44.000 Of course, to a lesser extent, they're also going after what are sometimes called the MAGA tourists, the people who had the doors open for them to walk through.
00:19:51.000 They're generally getting very, very light charges for their crimes, but nonetheless, that makes your average person go, I'm not gonna go to any protester rally because if something pops off it could end up destroying my life, my reputation, and I could get charges.
00:20:04.000 Ian found the name.
00:20:05.000 I got the story from the Baltimore Sun.
00:20:08.000 Informer claims FBI called off plan to foil trade center bombing in New York.
00:20:12.000 The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an FBI supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Imad A. Salam, should be used, the informer said.
00:20:26.000 So basically the story is the FBI was like, Hey, we want you to catch these guys.
00:20:30.000 So we're going to have you help them build a bomb, but the powder will be fake.
00:20:34.000 Then calls it off. 0.99
00:20:36.000 So the terrorists get real powder and fucking had a bomb go off in the world trade center in 93. 1.00
00:20:42.000 Fucking nuts, dude. 1.00
00:20:43.000 Wow. 1.00
00:20:44.000 What the fuck? 0.99
00:20:46.000 Yeah, the explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand injured. 0.99
00:20:49.000 So, this is confirmed that 1993 bombing at the World Trade Center actually happened because the FBI failed to... Look, look.
00:20:54.000 It's from the Baltimore Sun, baby!
00:20:55.000 Law enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center and planned to thwart them by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.
00:21:07.000 The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an FBI supervisor with other ideas.
00:21:14.000 The account which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings, Mr. Solem secretly made of his talks with law enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the bombing in New York City's tallest towers.
00:21:27.000 Wow.
00:21:27.000 A 43-year-old Egyptian army officer was used by the government to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists, now charged in two bombing cases.
00:21:35.000 He's a crucial witness in the second bombing case.
00:21:36.000 After the bombing, he resumed his work, etc., etc.
00:21:39.000 Yo, man.
00:21:41.000 They could have shut it down.
00:21:43.000 They didn't.
00:21:44.000 They knew they were building bombs.
00:21:46.000 This guy was supposed to help them build the bomb.
00:21:48.000 I mean, this is just... Wow.
00:21:50.000 So it's confirmed and it's been public knowledge that the FBI... It's the Baltimore Sun, dude!
00:21:55.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:21:55.000 And this is also, this is published in 1993.
00:21:58.000 Yep.
00:21:59.000 1993, the Baltimore Sun, News Guard certified, 92.5 out of 100.
00:22:03.000 So it is basically always been public knowledge that the 1993 World Trade Center attacks... I'm sorry.
00:22:09.000 It's by the New York Times.
00:22:11.000 Oh, never mind.
00:22:12.000 I don't believe it.
00:22:12.000 Picked up by the Baltimore Sun.
00:22:14.000 So, I mean, this is mind-blowing to me.
00:22:17.000 I never heard anything about this.
00:22:18.000 Now, granted, this happened long before I was born.
00:22:19.000 It's not an event people usually reference.
00:22:21.000 It's very much been overshadowed by the 2001 World Trade Center attacks.
00:22:25.000 But the fact that it is literally just public knowledge and was published that the FBI was involved in the terror attacks at the World Trade Center in 93 is a little bit shocking.
00:22:35.000 It's shocking to me, right?
00:22:36.000 I mean, it's not shocking to me that they would do something like that.
00:22:39.000 It's shocking to me that it's just been out in the open like this.
00:22:41.000 I know, dude.
00:22:41.000 The false flags are so nuts.
00:22:43.000 I don't know if Pearl Harbor was, if they just let it happen to get into war, but fuck it. 1.00
00:22:47.000 Golf of Tonkin. 1.00
00:22:48.000 Golf of Tonkin was bullshit. 0.98
00:22:50.000 The Pearl Harbor thing is crazy because I think there's a lot of conspiracies that they instigated it new and were planning like they wanted it to happen. 0.98
00:22:58.000 I think it's possible that, uh, word reached the highest level that the Japanese fleet was en route and they were just like, stand down.
00:23:08.000 You know what I mean?
00:23:08.000 Because they were like, we need an entrance to the war.
00:23:10.000 But I gotta be honest.
00:23:11.000 I don't know about that one because we needed that fleet to fight the war. 0.91
00:23:15.000 And I know people say the aircraft carriers were not there, but that's a very hindsight is 2020 thing because no war had ever been fought with aircraft carriers like that before.
00:23:22.000 And also, it's just the U.S.
00:23:24.000 was selling weapons to, you know, Britain.
00:23:27.000 The Japanese thought they had an opportunity to strike when the U.S. 0.99
00:23:29.000 wasn't paying attention because they thought the U.S.
00:23:31.000 was going to enter the war anyway.
00:23:33.000 So the U.S.
00:23:34.000 Look, if you tell me that a bunch of government bureaucrats weren't paying attention and thought they were invincible and we got hit.
00:23:40.000 That sounds a bit more reasonable.
00:23:42.000 When I start to tread on, like, are they involved? 0.99
00:23:45.000 I get fucking 9-11, dude. 0.95
00:23:47.000 First of all, when people talk about tragedies as a date, like, hey, remember January 6th? 0.99
00:23:52.000 Remember 9-11?
00:23:53.000 Something's wrong if you're using the date to rile up memories of what happened.
00:23:57.000 The story of 9-11 that we've been given is obviously not true.
00:24:01.000 Yeah, they found the passport on top of the rubble and all that crap. 0.51
00:24:05.000 Hold on, hold on. 0.87
00:24:06.000 Don't jump the gun.
00:24:06.000 It's a great story.
00:24:07.000 It's obviously not true, but we don't know what happened, and conspiracy theorists have gone nuts with it.
00:24:11.000 No, no, I agree with you, but I guess my point is I'm not saying that it was an inside job.
00:24:15.000 I have no idea what happened there, but the fact that there were things like the passport of one of the hijackers being perfectly intact on top of the rubble is just ridiculous.
00:24:25.000 It's ridiculous, but that's the official story.
00:24:26.000 The problem I have with the 9-11 truthers is that they think they know. 0.89
00:24:29.000 Exactly.
00:24:29.000 It's like they're asserting it was an inside job.
00:24:31.000 I'm like, dude, dude, dude, look.
00:24:33.000 First of all, who did it?
00:24:36.000 We can take their word for it or not.
00:24:38.000 The fact is the government keeps secrets.
00:24:40.000 Exactly.
00:24:40.000 They're not going to reveal to the public how one of the greatest security failures in this country happened on their watch.
00:24:46.000 Amen.
00:24:46.000 So they come out and they say, it was the terrorists, here's the proof.
00:24:50.000 In reality, it could have been the terrorists.
00:24:51.000 Absolutely.
00:24:52.000 But they bypassed our security in an extreme way.
00:24:54.000 I don't think the United States is going to be like, here's how they did it!
00:24:57.000 Well, you saw what the cops did at the January 6th.
00:25:00.000 Let the people walk in.
00:25:01.000 I mean, I can't put it past law enforcement and be like, here's the keys, here's the door.
00:25:06.000 I'm not involved, but if you blow it up, so be it. 0.99
00:25:08.000 I think there's a lot of bullshit. 0.99
00:25:10.000 World Trade Center 7, obviously. 1.00
00:25:11.000 World Trade Center 7.
00:25:13.000 1 and 2. 1.00
00:25:14.000 I mean, fuck it. 1.00
00:25:15.000 You know, look, two buildings. 1.00
00:25:17.000 The 7 with the planes.
00:25:17.000 So here's the thing.
00:25:18.000 I say this with absolutely no background in structural engineering or anything like that, but I don't know if it's so unthinkable that two gigantic skyscrapers collapsing next to a building which is on fire might cause it to collapse.
00:25:30.000 I think it's possible.
00:25:30.000 You mean World Trade Center 7 falling down because of fires?
00:25:32.000 Well, yeah, so World Trade Center 7 was on fire, and I think they say the sprinklers weaken the structural integrity, and then the two buildings collapsing next to it was like a seismic effect that resulted in a collapse.
00:25:42.000 The first time in history that a building collapsed due to a fire.
00:25:47.000 Isn't that crazy?
00:25:48.000 Well, I think it was also the seismic activity of the two gigantic skyscrapers next to it falling.
00:25:52.000 But only just World Trade Center 7?
00:25:54.000 Do you know where World Trade Center 7 is compared to it?
00:25:56.000 Yeah, no, no, no, it's true.
00:25:57.000 There's a lot of other buildings.
00:25:58.000 Look, World Trade Center 7 is a hole in whatever it is they're talking about.
00:26:02.000 They say gas tanks were exploding and a fire happened, and it's just like, and then 5 p.m.
00:26:06.000 the building just fell down.
00:26:08.000 Whatever, man.
00:26:09.000 I don't know. 1.00
00:26:09.000 I think it's fair to say the conspiracy theorists have made up a whole bunch of crazy-ass bullshit, like microthermite nanotech bombs. 1.00
00:26:16.000 Oh, nanothermite, yeah. 0.99
00:26:17.000 They examined the dust and found nanothermite, which is a military-grade incendiary.
00:26:22.000 Who found it?
00:26:22.000 architects and engineers like my buddy you want to know why I defer to these
00:26:27.000 architects and engineers for 9-11 truth is I'll tell you let me tell you guys you want to know the truth
00:26:34.000 throw all that 9-11 inside job bullshit out the window I can tell you why 0.97
00:26:38.000 World Trade Center 1 and 2 collapsed for the first time in history buildings 0.93
00:26:42.000 collapsed due to a fire First of all, the planes crashed and it weakened the structure.
00:26:46.000 That we understand.
00:26:47.000 The jet fuel was burning.
00:26:48.000 It doesn't need to melt the steel beams, which weakens them, and then they start falling down.
00:26:52.000 But let me just make it very, very simple for you.
00:26:55.000 What's more plausible?
00:26:57.000 That elements of the U.S.
00:26:58.000 government conspired for, in a grand plot, to hijack several planes, planes hitting the Pentagon, the White House, Trade Center 7, 1, and 2?
00:27:06.000 Or, in the 1970s, when they were building these skyscrapers, the Port Authority said, who's gonna build our buildings?
00:27:14.000 And one guy said, I'll do it for X million dollars.
00:27:16.000 Another guy said, I'll do it for even less than that.
00:27:19.000 And then they went, the price goes to the lowest bidder!
00:27:21.000 And then they said, yo, John, we can't build these buildings for $100 million.
00:27:26.000 The center support columns that support it in the event of a plane crash or a fire are going to cost $10 million alone. 0.99
00:27:31.000 And he goes, yo, a plane's never going to hit these fucking buildings. 0.99
00:27:34.000 Cut that out. 1.00
00:27:35.000 We can do the project.
00:27:36.000 That makes infinitely more sense than government inside job.
00:27:40.000 Cutting corners and trying to save money to pay.
00:27:43.000 You know, there's a famous quote, I think it's from Buzz Aldrin.
00:27:46.000 They said, what was going through your mind as the rocket was taking off?
00:27:49.000 And he said that the shot that the rocket had been built by the lowest bidder.
00:27:52.000 Yeah.
00:27:54.000 So do you guys think this is something that I was talking to somebody about earlier this week?
00:27:58.000 I think it was.
00:27:59.000 We're talking about 9-11 because I'm not a truth or I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
00:28:03.000 Based on what we just read about the 1993 bombing in the World Trade Center, Is it possible that the government just kind of stepped back and let this happen?
00:28:10.000 Do you guys think that's a possibility?
00:28:12.000 You think on 9-11?
00:28:13.000 Yeah, the whole 9-11.
00:28:13.000 Well, Dick Cheney stood down the Air Force, which was kind of strange.
00:28:17.000 I think it's possible.
00:28:18.000 Yeah, I don't think so.
00:28:20.000 No?
00:28:20.000 A lot of hijackings in the past, they were like, let it do its thing.
00:28:25.000 The hijackers are probably going to take the plane to Haiti or Africa.
00:28:28.000 What are you going to do? 0.97
00:28:29.000 Shoot it down full of people? 0.97
00:28:30.000 Right, yeah.
00:28:33.000 You can be trusting of the government, you can be hyper-untrusting of the government, I don't know.
00:28:37.000 What I can say is, it's not unreasonable to be like, do not scramble the Air Force for hijacked jets because you'll just get people killed, and the assumption is often with hijacked planes, they're trying to fly somewhere they're not supposed to fly to, to get somewhere, and then you want to keep these people alive.
00:28:54.000 I don't want to be trusting of the government, and I think they're lying about a whole lot.
00:28:58.000 But I think if I'm trying to figure out what really happened, I can say I don't trust the government.
00:29:03.000 But isn't it just more simple that something really fucked up did happen, and they're just not going to tell us because they don't want to expose how our security had been bypassed?
00:29:11.000 Yeah, I mean, no, it's true. 0.71
00:29:13.000 I completely agree with you there.
00:29:14.000 I think people can go too far in another direction when they first wake up and they see that the government is lying to them about things and that there are activities that the deep state engages in which are clearly destructive and they have no problem getting people hurt.
00:29:25.000 You might assume that they're, like, under every single rock.
00:29:29.000 And then you end up with this sort of paranoid thinking where you're on the other end of the spectrum.
00:29:33.000 It's funny, you have people who are very naive and trust in the government and see it as like a god-like force, but then on the other end, people become so cynical that they see the government as a kind of evil god which is capable of pulling anything off, and as soon as something goes wrong, it must have been them.
00:29:46.000 I found Niels, what's his name?
00:29:46.000 Yeah.
00:29:48.000 Niels Harit is the scientist.
00:29:51.000 I think he's a Dutch guy that has been studying the nanothermite. 0.99
00:29:55.000 They did a NIST... How did he get the materials?
00:29:58.000 They had the official thing, National Institute of Science and Technology, NIST was the name of the company that did the official investigation.
00:30:03.000 They were like, hey, nothing happened.
00:30:05.000 It was exactly what we thought it was.
00:30:06.000 Did we lose some?
00:30:07.000 I don't know.
00:30:08.000 Someone's yelling or something.
00:30:09.000 And then they did a second investigation.
00:30:11.000 I'd have to get more information of the names of the investigation and stuff.
00:30:14.000 But it was a big global project to investigate the rubble and do like a real investigation because the government like dropped the ball with NIST.
00:30:23.000 I don't know.
00:30:23.000 I think a lot of people made crazy assertions about it.
00:30:25.000 I think there's a lot of bullshit surrounding it. 0.96
00:30:27.000 I think people are, they're like, did you know that Larry Silverstein took out an insurance policy specifically covering acts of terrorism only a few weeks before 9-11? 1.00
00:30:36.000 And I was like, why the fuck wouldn't he? 0.99
00:30:39.000 What the fuck? 0.99
00:30:40.000 Like, dude, if you buy a bunch of big buildings, you insure them for terror attacks, especially when they've been attacked before. 1.00
00:30:45.000 That's not evidence, man.
00:30:47.000 I thought George Bush had no idea about any of it. 0.99
00:30:49.000 it when I saw his reaction right there and just like what the fuck's going on. 0.98
00:30:53.000 I just I just like the man in the yellow hat. 0.95
00:30:58.000 The point is you know wrapping everything together it's that we know the FBI is involved 0.98
00:31:01.000 in such bullshit that people don't trust the government man. 0.98
00:31:06.000 They overtly cause false flags on their own population to get them in a war. 1.00
00:31:10.000 It's crazy.
00:31:11.000 Well, well, well, Gulf of Tonkin.
00:31:13.000 Have overtly.
00:31:14.000 I shouldn't say that they do it, but they have.
00:31:16.000 And Operation Northwoods.
00:31:17.000 You're familiar with Northwoods, right?
00:31:18.000 Oh boy, yeah.
00:31:19.000 You're not familiar?
00:31:20.000 No.
00:31:20.000 So this was, was it LL Lemitzer?
00:31:20.000 Love this one.
00:31:22.000 Joint Chiefs of Staff.
00:31:23.000 Joint Chiefs of Staff to JFK proposed blowing up planes and blaming the Cubans.
00:31:28.000 He proposed staging mock invasions of Florida with people dressed as Cubans to warrant an invasion of Cuba. 1.00
00:31:34.000 Wanted JFK was like fuck. No. Yeah, he did. They actually wanted Cubans or they wanted to have Cuban actors basically 1.00
00:31:42.000 Or or maybe it would have been Cuban militias that they gave money to but they basically
00:31:47.000 wanted them to attack American military bases. Yes, and this is this is overtly
00:31:51.000 This is like Wikipedia stuff It's an operation north was was a proposed false flag
00:31:55.000 operation against American citizens that originated the US Department of Defense in 1962
00:31:59.000 The proposal called for the CIA operatives to stage and actually commit acts of terror against American military
00:32:04.000 and civilian targets Blaming them on the Cuban government using it to justify
00:32:08.000 war with Cuba So, thank you. 1.00
00:32:10.000 JFK was like, fuck off with that shit. 1.00
00:32:12.000 We're not doing that. 1.00
00:32:13.000 Absolutely not. 1.00
00:32:15.000 And then Lyndon B. Johnson was like, fucking kill him. 1.00
00:32:19.000 I don't know about all that. 1.00
00:32:20.000 I wonder if Lyndon was involved.
00:32:22.000 I don't think he was.
00:32:23.000 Here's the thing.
00:32:23.000 I have no idea about the JFK assassination other than it is the case that the official report has been disbelieved by, at some points when it's been surveyed, something like 80% of the population.
00:32:35.000 I'm not as familiar with the JFK assassination story as I am some of these other theories and ideas.
00:32:42.000 I haven't followed it very closely, but there are just from some of the details like the magic bullet theory and also the fact that Oswald wasn't taking credit for it and was even saying that he was set up.
00:32:53.000 And then Jack Ruby killed him before he could go to trial?
00:32:56.000 Exactly.
00:32:57.000 Now, what did John Wilkes Booth do after killing Lincoln? 0.64
00:33:02.000 He was a diva about it.
00:33:03.000 He did it in a theater. 0.92
00:33:04.000 He yelled out to everybody about how Lincoln was a tyrant.
00:33:08.000 I mean, if you're gonna kill the President of the United States, You're doing it for political reasons, and you're going to make your desires known.
00:33:17.000 The whole thing is really, really weird.
00:33:19.000 I think it's kind of funny when you think about John Wilkes Booth.
00:33:22.000 He's like, these states want to own people, so he called Lincoln the tyrant and killed him.
00:33:27.000 He literally stopped you from owning people. 1.00
00:33:31.000 I think you guys are fucked up. 1.00
00:33:32.000 No, yes. 1.00
00:33:33.000 I mean, look, definitely not pro-John Wilkes Booth here.
00:33:38.000 You see that when someone's going to assassinate a sitting president of the United States, they have a manifesto, they have demands, they have a rationale, they don't go, I was said.
00:33:47.000 I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's weird.
00:33:49.000 Have you watched the movie Shooter?
00:33:52.000 Is that where the guy's in the phone booth?
00:33:54.000 Mark Wahlberg is a retired sniper, one of the best in the world.
00:33:57.000 They come to him and they say that someone is going to try to assassinate this world leader.
00:34:02.000 We need your expertise to spot him before he can do it.
00:34:05.000 So they bring him to a building overlooking the speech and they say, all right, you know, tell us what you think.
00:34:09.000 And he's got binoculars and he's like, it's definitely me coming from that direction.
00:34:12.000 That's the way, with the wind, you want to do it. 0.99
00:34:14.000 Then he turns around and some fat cop just pulls out a gun and shoots him in the gut. 0.95
00:34:18.000 And then he falls out the window and then they tell the media the local cop is a hero who stopped the assassination 0.98
00:34:24.000 or whatever.
00:34:25.000 Like watch the movie.
00:34:26.000 Whoa. 0.99
00:34:27.000 Yeah, and then he tracks down the conspiracy and all that shit.
00:34:29.000 I don't know if the Kennedy documentary I just saw was the… what's the dude's name that did Platoon?
00:34:36.000 No idea.
00:34:37.000 Stone.
00:34:38.000 Stone, Oliver Stone.
00:34:38.000 I don't know if it was Oliver's new documentary.
00:34:40.000 I know he just did a new one, too.
00:34:41.000 Oh, yeah.
00:34:42.000 He did the JFK one in the 90s, right? 0.59
00:34:44.000 Yeah, yeah, with Kevin Costner.
00:34:46.000 I just saw two months, a month ago, a month and a half ago, a JFK documentary.
00:34:50.000 It was really eye-opening.
00:34:51.000 It was a movie, right?
00:34:52.000 I've got to check it out.
00:34:53.000 No, what I saw was a documentary.
00:34:54.000 In the 90s.
00:34:55.000 He did a movie with Kevin Costner.
00:34:56.000 Well, I'll check it out.
00:34:58.000 That sounds fun.
00:34:58.000 Yeah, I mean, I sort of joked about it.
00:35:00.000 I have, again, I have no idea about the JFK assassination, but I, you know, I don't trust the government.
00:35:05.000 The line I have is like, you know, if Biden's such a devout Catholic, why hasn't the CIA killed him yet?
00:35:10.000 Yeah, when you see- Because JFK was the first- Exactly.
00:35:13.000 Yeah, well, to be fair, I don't know that you'd call JFK devout, though some say he did repent before he died, interestingly enough.
00:35:19.000 In the car on the road, it's like, I better repent, and then- Yeah, yeah.
00:35:23.000 Some say he like went to confession right before, but again, you have so many deathbed conversion stories with so many people.
00:35:28.000 We got a little off the rails, but it is what it is.
00:35:30.000 Julie, thanks for hanging out.
00:35:31.000 It's been a blast.
00:35:32.000 You guys, thank you so much for having me.
00:35:34.000 So much fun.
00:35:35.000 Thanks for informing us on what's going on with the government and everybody who's a member.
00:35:38.000 You guys informed me, too.
00:35:39.000 I gotta go look up this Operation Northwood.
00:35:41.000 Now I feel like a historical literate.
00:35:44.000 Yeah, Northwoods was one of those ones that really shook me when I first heard about it.
00:35:50.000 Alright, everybody.
00:35:51.000 Thanks for being members and supporting our work and this website and our show.