Tower Gang - September 03, 2021
Ep 30 - Boofing Gasoline w⧸ Justin O'Donnell
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 37 minutes
Words per Minute
195.2485
Summary
Justin O'Donnell is a United States veteran, a long-time LP member, and most recently ran for the U.S. Senate in New Hampshire. He is a domestic terrorist, an ideologue, and an extremist.
Transcript
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, degenerates and extremists, patriots and domestic terrorists,
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welcome to another episode of Tower Power Hour.
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We are joined by the great Justin O'Donnell, a United States veteran, a long-time LP member,
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mostly recently ran for Senate in New Hampshire.
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I've actually gotten to respond with that with people, and that was one of my, the only
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things I was ever jealous about Gary Johnson was he could just say, Google me when somebody
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asked who he was, and now if you Google me, I come up on the top and it has an info box
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It'd be a lot easier if you just play along and do your little intro thing.
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It comes up with this Ballotpedia entry and then the porno that you did that one time.
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If you type three coverdail in on YouTube, all the Tower Power Hour episodes show up
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first, so that's, you know, that is what it is.
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The Nationalist Capitalist is just a shadow band.
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That's the one that pisses me off, is if you type Justin O'Donnell into YouTube, it comes
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up with a channel for some dude in Australia with two subscribers first.
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I looked you up and it just says Justin O'Donnell and it has your picture and it says politician
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and then I didn't realize that your Twitter also comes up and it says Justin O'Donnell
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So it turns out that's not like a turnoff to people because somehow like people on the
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internet still engage with me when I self-identify as a domestic terrorist.
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You're a politician and a domestic terrorist, so that's kind of accurate if you think about
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It's got a link to my book and it's funny because the book's like old, maybe a little
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It's about how to communicate ideas to people without being an extremist.
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Justin, if you had been elected to the U.S. Senate, you would have had the opportunity
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to be an international terrorist instead of just a domestic terrorist.
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If I was elected to the U.S. Senate, like I had made a promise to somebody who had donated
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to my campaign that if I, like lightning struck bottles and I won, I would never give, I would
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never say anything unless I was under the influence of LSD.
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And like, that's the campaign promise I fully intended to keep.
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That means Justin's going to commit acts of terror during the show then because I think
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Doesn't that shit take like about an hour or two to kick in?
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So it'll probably be near the end of the episode when you start getting wonky.
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Oh, it takes about 20 minutes to kick in and it just builds up and gets more and more
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I've only fucked with acid once and I felt like, from my recollect, it was like an hour
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What's funny is just fucking re-tear to Justin is just going to get more and more wet as it
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goes along, but it's just the same amount of wetness as it always is.
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It's going to start dripping though and then the natural scapula's logo will melt.
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You actually got me before I could take a shower, so I'm not like right out of the
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shower this time, so it's not as wet as you do.
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Yeah, one day I'm going to buy Reed a like, it's going to be a Tower Gang like branded towel
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Is it just me and Justin or have you guys fucked with that shit too?
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I only do them when I'm driving through San Diego other than that.
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I mean, how else could you go through San Diego?
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I've only smoked weed, took an edible, and then I drank and smoked cigars.
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He's got to let you know that he's on something, man.
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All right, I mean, all I'm going to say is like, I do all of these other things that
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All I'll say is, I have become familiar with YouTube's monetization policy, so I won't fuck
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you, and I'll say, this is not intended to glorify drug use.
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But the best combination you can do is you take a hit of MDMA alongside a hit of acid,
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and then like an hour later, you start hitting ketamine and nitrous oxide at the same time.
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He's like, obviously, I just take a couple markers off, and I just start sniffing those
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markers real good, those really deep metal ones too.
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Dude, you can legit get high off gasoline, though, for those who don't know, but it's
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the most dirtiest fucking white trash high you'll ever have in your life.
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Dude, so a few years ago, they passed a law in New Hampshire at the Statehouse to decriminalize
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Because it had carried criminal penalties, and somebody, like a Democrat put up a law,
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Because we're just sending fines to poor parents.
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It was like, oh, they have nice priorities there.
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No, I just love the thought of, like, the ATF kicking in your door, like, put down the
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And it was just some guy, like, just out of his mind.
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It's like the most toothless law you could imagine, too.
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Like, this motherfucker has gasoline, like, what do you, you'd have to literally catch
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him in the act to have any sort of substantive evidence.
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The way it was written, it prohibited inhaling toxic vapors for effect, was the way it was
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Sir, you're blood tested for extremely high levels of octane.
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And it's really funny, because, like, I bet, like, people that smoke crack look down on
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If you, um, I forget what it's even called now.
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If you, like, steal gasoline from out of somebody's gas tank.
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Like, do you, or do you accidentally huff it if you do that?
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I mean, that was the whole reason behind the law.
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Well, see, it's pretty close to Canada, which is why I think they call people hosers as an
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Well, so you're still, like, you're still clean on the using illegal substances, because gasoline
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Again, it's, like, it's just really, really hard to prove that you're huffing gasoline
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unless they literally find a guy, like, just neck deep in a five-gallon bucket of gasoline,
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and then you can pull it and be like, no, I was just testing it, you know, man?
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You have, like, ridiculous tobacco addictions and nicotine addictions couldn't help but put
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the cigarette down while they're trying to huff the gasoline.
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Do you remember when, I think it was in New Jersey, I think it was either New Jersey or
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I know two totally different states, but they, like, used to have the law where you had to
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They were like, I'm literally going to smell like gasoline all day if I have to pump my own
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gas for 60-year-old people who've never pumped their own gas because they never left Oregon.
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And then they, I think New Jersey, it's still the law.
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In Oregon, they still do it some places, but it's not the law anymore.
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And people, it was, what, like, 2017 or something when they repealed that?
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They thought that, like, if you pump gasoline yourself, you'll just smell like gasoline all
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day long, or, like, if you get out of your car while someone's pumping gasoline, you'll
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It's pretty bad when California can make you look like a bitch, you know?
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Like, you fucking, you guys can't even get up to California caliber.
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The thing is, like, this isn't even the worst use I've heard of for gasoline.
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We had a port-a-call in Puerto Rico, and it was right after the Super Bowl weekend in
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It was fucking Pittsburgh and Cardinals, and we left in the third quarter.
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I was just, like, I was enjoying the game quite a bit.
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But we left next, and I was under 21 and couldn't drink.
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The next weekend, we're in fucking Puerto Rico, and we're trying to find something to do
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during the day, and all the bars are closed at, like, weird fucking hours.
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They close at, like, 5 in the morning and don't open again until 2 p.m.
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Not when you're fucking, like, 19, and, like, you're sure leave off the fucking ship you're
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So we're trying to find something to do during the fucking day, and me and a couple friends
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are walking around, and a cop stops us as we're walking through, like, back roads in
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And this cop's in, like, full battle rattle with the fucking AR-15 and body armor.
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As this Puerto Rican kid, it's just, like, fucking jean shorts with an AK.
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I'm like, and my buddy Nick is just like, oh, he looks like he knows how to have fun.
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And we just walk up to this kid, and we ask him.
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He's like, oh, you know where we can, like, have a good time during the day?
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And he takes us to San Therese, and, like, a garage party's going on.
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And the kid pours us a couple drinks out of literally a 55-gallon drum that they're ladling drinks out of.
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He's like, you take all the different flavors of Cruisin rum.
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You take a gallon of oranges, a gallon of apples.
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And then you take a half gallon of gasoline, and you mix it up.
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And Puerto Rican is like, yeah, it helps you metabolize the alcohol.
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It got us fucked up enough that we could drink Modelo for the rest of the day.
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By the way, Nick actually did want to ask, what is your ethnicity?
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Although I have been recently informed by a representative of the Klan back in Donegal, Ireland,
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and I am no longer welcome to claim the Klan, because of my...
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That's crazy, because this is a Klan rally right now, so...
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But this dude went on a rant on me on Twitter about how I am no longer welcome to claim the Klan O'Donnell's family
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I would say, like, all those really pacifist Irish people are just, like, definitely not extremists over there.
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The actual Klan is, like, 50-50 on their roots between, like, don't give a fuck and loyalist supporters of the British Crown.
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So when I start, like, doing, like, come out, you black and tans shit to them, they see me as a traitor.
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I mean, I'm used to the Klan being pretty based, so...
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By the way, when you talk to regular people, do you just still, like, acknowledge them as the Klan?
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You know, some of them are really loyalists to the British Crown.
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Justin, I've got an Irish friend, and I'm always joking with him about, like, you know, Ireland.
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I mean, it makes him really mad with your relatives, you're saying?
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Like, the ones who care about the Klan and the fucking history, they'll be all, like, fucking...
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The ones who don't give a shit, like me, the Kmachi black and tans fucking fights me like a man.
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And being a Bostonian, we've got a lot of those people around here.
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Yeah, Dickie Walnuts is in the chat, just literally singing the song.
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We're going to buy you on the fountain in flunders.
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And I think, Justin, you're actually from Massachusetts, right?
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I grew up on South Shore, North Attleboro, and down in the Cape a lot.
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And then after I got out of the Army, I'd moved back to Natick before...
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Actually, I didn't join the Free State Project.
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I did not move to New Hampshire for the Free State Project.
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I always thought the Free State Project was a really stupid idea.
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I moved to New Hampshire because the state of Massachusetts took all my guns.
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You want to talk about California making me look like a pussy?
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But did they actually take your guns, or was that a...
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So, I was working for Gary Johnson in 2016, and it was really fucking stressful doing event
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coordination for Bill Weld because he was a piece of shit.
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And there was a point, like, a week before the election where I get a call at work.
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It was like, hey, Bill wants to have a press conference.
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We can't organize something in two fucking hours and get all Boston media there.
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I'm like, fucking Chrissy and Dan, and we got together.
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We got all the Boston media, and we got, like, fucking 200 people to show up to the press conference.
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Bill Weld gave a press conference at which he endorsed Hillary Clinton.
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I threw my phone at him, like, I quit the thing.
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I fucking lost it, and I fucking rage quit, and I'm like, fuck this shit.
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I'm like, I'm just going to go to the gun range.
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I was driving to Framingham to go to the gun range, and my appendix burst while I was on
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the way to the gun range and wrecked my car, and they brought me to the hospital where
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I was concealed carrying a firearm into a gun-free zone while unconscious.
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And Andrew's also, he had a lot of alcohol in his bloodstream just from being Irish.
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But, like, a week later when I get out of the hospital, I fucking catch an Uber home.
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I get home, and there's fucking two state troopers cleaning out my safe.
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So, because you were unconscious, and they brought you in, and you had, like, I guess
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you had a concealed carry permit in Massachusetts, I don't know, and they were just still like,
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Literally wake up, remember to tell everybody you have a gun, and take that out before you
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So, like, yeah, I called a bunch of lawyers, and finally one of them was like, what'd they
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He's like, it's going to be cheaper to move to New Hampshire and replace it all than to
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All right, so, Justin, I've seen on your profile that you describe yourself as an anarcho-nihilist.
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So, does that just mean that you're, like, anarchist, but, like, who fucking cares, you
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Like, I'm an anarchist, but when it comes to, like, finding deeper meaning in shit, it's
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I hate people who subscribe to a libertarian philosophy because their whole point is, like,
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The NAP is, the NAP, the non-aggression principle is a childishly incomplete and insufficiently
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vague philosophy that can be argued to include anything.
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Like, I can make a coherent argument how Timothy McVeigh did not violate the NAP.
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If I knew who that was, I'd get really mad at you.
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I was going to say, could you, like, argue that about somebody who's less base than that?
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Like, that one, I'm actually surprised that didn't get me, like, sucked on the Twitter.
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Dude, you make me look good, like, in comparison.
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Like, I'd put out, like, the tweet was just, like, all these new regulations.
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I'm starting to sympathize with Timothy McVeigh.
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It had over 1,000 comments just tagging the FBI.
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And then, like, Reid and AJ and a bunch of other people started responding to those people.
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Like, why are you tagging a terrorist organization?
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Where did you get the ideological grounding from this?
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Like, I'm going to be like, there's, like, different paths people come to having, have to coming to libertarianism.
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Like, you have the autistic path, the people who listen to Jose's show and care about fucking, like, how, the lie.
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And then you have, like, the victimhood path of people who were fucking victims and are just looking for, like, recompense and, like, the state wronged me.
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I came to libertarianism because, like, literally, I helped the United States Army lock down the city of Boston and enforce martial law after the marathon bombing.
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And then I was in NCOIC directing security for 4th of July that summer where we had checkpoints.
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I detained a deaf guy because I didn't have a translator, and it was easier than finding a translator was to just detain and arrest him and let them sort it out later.
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I'm still thinking how he said I didn't read books and I'm proud of it.
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It reminds me of that scene from Turtle Park Boys where he's like, I'm self-learned.
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Well, like, I was walking with my lieutenant that day, like, after we'd arrested the deaf guy.
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We'd separated a family on the bridge when we closed the checkpoint.
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Like, we, like, we separated a mom from her two, like, fucking 12-year-old kids who were on the esplanade.
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Did you have to tell the deaf guy that he has the right to remain silent?
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No, I just fucking detained him and handed him over to a Boston cop, and they were like, what did he do?
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Like, hey, do you guys know how Ayn Rand lost both of her arms?
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Do you know how Helen Keller lost both of her arms?
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So it was, like, two hours after we detained that dude.
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And, like, it was, like, I was delivering lunch to all the soldiers under my command.
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He had graduated from college, like, three days earlier.
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And, like, the ink was still wet on his commission.
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Like, this was his first assignment as a lieutenant in the Army.
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And, like, when I got introduced to him, I'm like, fuck.
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I'm like, oh, you're the smartest officer in the Army.
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But we're walking along, and we had mobile camera units running facial recognition all along the Boston Esplanade.
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And this dude just fucking sits down in a lawn chair in the sidewalk underneath one of these mobile camera units and starts reading a book.
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And the lieutenant's like, and this college-educated lieutenant's like, why is that?
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And then I had to explain the plot of 1984 to this college-educated second lieutenant.
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And as I'm, like, explaining, I'm like, oh, fuck.
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I thought it was going to be Huck Finn, and we'd know why you're laughing about that.
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But, like, dude, it's like being, like, a 30-year-old.
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But they're, like, some 22-year-old that clearly doesn't know shit.
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And they're, like, and they're technically in charge.
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They're just some, like, senior NCOs bitch, basically.
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Usually is how it works, at least where I was at in the Air Force.
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MD in the comment says that my tweet was in the LNC investigation.
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I never got an interview request from the investigation.
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Wait, so did you guys hear the Mises Caucus Facebook page got removed temporarily?
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And a few people told me it was from one of the memes I shared on Twitter,
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I literally did the, um, I literally added the McCain and then McCain't meme,
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And then it, like, got, and then their page went down, like, an hour later.
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I actually heard it was something way more tame than that, actually.
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I don't know if it was mine, but I just, like, thinking it was.
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I love it when we get embroiled in LP drama, especially when they get shitty at us,
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and it's, like, or when people, like, especially with me,
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where they try to be, like, oh, you're fucking some LP podcast.
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Like, it's, like, I always find myself having to be, like, I'm not associated with them,
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but at the same time, I'm kind of, like, if it gives you a negative view,
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Reed, how haven't you gotten blocked by Meghan McCain yet?
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Oh, yeah, but Marianne probably just literally thinks it's wrong to block people.
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She realizes we were right, you know, about, especially about the war in Afghanistan.
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She has recanted everything and admitted she was wrong in her argument with us,
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Yeah, which I think she was bullied into submission.
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Like, Reed is, like, the fucking lightning rod.
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Because I had gotten Marianne to agree to come on the show.
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I'm like, yeah, I'm going to bring you on as a co-host for that episode.
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He's like, I'm going to be on Justin's show with Marianne.
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Well, she's going to wind up being on Justin's show.
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Justin and I stopped a white woman, by the way.
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Like, she turned around and, you know, changed her direction.
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Apparently, the past couple of days, white women have been getting based.
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Well, you have to, like, I mean, if there's something coming after you,
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you have to stop it first before you can turn it around and shift it back the other way.
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So, if we got done with the white women, we must be stopped.
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By the way, the last phase is where we kill them all.
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Well, I was going to say, you can weaponize the man stuff.
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If we stop them, strap the mess on, send them back.
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I actually have a horde of white women with me.
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But, you know, I'm fucking – I'm kind of infiltrating the system, you know.
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But I did want to mention that Marianne is probably one of the few, like, weird women politicians
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that actually will change her mind just because I think she's just a very nice lady.
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She's a populist because at heart she just wants to be liked.
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Like, I don't – I mean, people – I posted a meme about this a couple weeks ago because
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people are always like, when are you going to stop hauling stuff?
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I was like, the fucking country doesn't rely on me.
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Like, I move big drills and excavators and bulldozers.
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Like, I'm not moving toilet paper and groceries and shit that people actually need immediately.
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So you mean you'd be a larger obstacle for blocking off areas?
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You mean you could block off an entire interstate yourself.
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It's actually probably like an eight-lane interstate when I've got the long trailer
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But for the audio version, the question was, when is Reid going to organize all the U.S.
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And I would say that you might be able to make more of an impact if the fact is that you're
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hauling things that are like higher order capital goods.
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That might have more of an impact on the supply chain.
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Like, if I had a son, I'm going to create like a –
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So anyone who knows comics, Wolverine the comic is like 5'2", fucking 300 pounds, like
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So like, yeah, if I – if we had a son, I'd probably make fucking Wolverine.
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So it's like – it's acceptable to be like a five-foot-three woman.
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I mean, I'm not like hairless, but I'm not hairy either.
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Dude, you can't – we've all seen like the nudes that Jose has dropped on the
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timeline, so I think you know the answer to that question.
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Well, I kind of have the – I have a good little like a little bit of hair here and
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I kind of get a little like treasure trail down to the goods, you know?
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Even though that nude you dropped only just had.
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I've loved seeing people on Twitter trying to claim that Forrest Mommy's a catfish.
00:30:26.140
I can't wait to see Forrest Mommy on MTV and she just looks like Justin.
00:30:33.880
Forrest Mommy, eggs are my favorite fucking meal.
00:30:42.720
Not that that's that shocking, but taller than I am as well.
00:30:52.000
Yeah, I mean, you think they're awesome and then you hold them down for a while and you realize what the fuck is going on here.
00:31:05.340
So on a serious note, the whole general strike thing is, was the left right last year and we all just ignored them and then that's what we're actually supposed to do is just shut everything down?
00:31:16.500
That's what the left was talking about last year.
00:31:18.400
They wanted a general strike during all the COVID shit.
00:31:32.720
This is one of my ongoing disagreements with libertarians and the right in general is the whole notion of peaceful protest.
00:31:41.740
Protest by its very nature is a violent action because protest doesn't accomplish anything unless you're inconveniencing people or you're fucking hurting their livelihoods or you're doing something to get their attention to make them pay attention to what you're protesting for.
00:31:53.640
The reason the left has so much success is because 20 dudes will go out and demand something and if they don't get it, they'll burn down fucking Oakland.
00:32:00.660
The right will send 10,000 law-abiding gun owners to the Virginia state capitol to protest gun control with all of their fucking military-grade hardware and say,
00:32:10.660
hey, we're going to obey the law and be polite and clean up after ourselves, the senators look out the fucking window and say,
00:32:19.040
There's no fucking consequences for pissing off polite protest.
00:32:30.760
It was like they got as close as they could to based and they were just like –
00:32:34.340
No, no, the problem with January 6th is the fucking whole – people thinking that when insurrection –
00:32:50.360
It had the same energy as like senior skip day or senior prank day when you're in high school and you go and just like play a prank on your school.
00:32:56.560
It's just like, oh, yeah, you broke the rules a little bit and you were a little bit edgy, but you didn't really accomplish anything.
00:33:05.600
Tell them about your January 6th experience trying to get banned like Donald Trump.
00:33:11.900
So like I go to the fucking secret underground clubhouse in the Manchester, New Hampshire, and my buddy's sitting there freaking out and having a panic.
00:33:23.720
His brother's like fucking broke down the barricades.
00:33:28.560
They're like, Donald Trump has been banned from Twitter.
00:33:30.960
I go and try and find it, and he's like, be peaceful, go home, and love you all.
00:33:36.400
This has been a good ride, but we're going to fix it next time.
00:33:44.580
So I started responding to everybody like live tweeting that they were there like take hostages.
00:33:48.920
Like, Nancy Pelosi is guilty of crimes against humanity.
00:33:53.520
Like, put heads on pikes outside the Capitol building.
00:33:57.460
And then like somebody responded to me like, you're on fire today.
00:34:00.100
I'm like, unfortunately, the Capitol isn't burning the fucking one.
00:34:05.180
By the way, this is where I kind of disagree with you about the NAP thing because I feel like a lot of like some like the fucking basically Cato reason guys would be like, oh, the NAP, you shouldn't do this stuff about, you know, burning down the Capitol.
00:34:19.720
But a lot more libertarians are like, no, no, the government's been violating NAP this whole time.
00:34:24.440
So you are totally 100% fair to go and basically kill them for literally destroying your life.
00:34:34.420
Oh, no, no, I was just in agreement raising my hand.
00:34:36.360
Yeah, but I was saying like I don't think that's an argument against NAP.
00:34:39.720
It's more just an argument of people just like just thinking that no matter what, you should always be peaceful.
00:34:45.660
And it's just like unless you're a legit pacifist, which I mean Bob Murphy and Tom Woods, they technically are legit pacifists.
00:34:55.100
But like they're also not saying you can't take up arms.
00:34:58.580
They're just like we won't do it, but you can't.
00:35:01.000
Like we think it's morally wrong and that's on our conscience.
00:35:03.580
But if – like we'd have no problem basically with – even the Revolutionary War was technically – I mean I feel like some people would try to make an argument that it was against NAP, but then they were getting taxed.
00:35:17.080
Hey, just remember, freedom grows where cops are planted.
00:35:25.900
Oh, I was just going to say like I'm – I think I'm somewhere in the middle on that.
00:35:29.300
Like I mean I do believe in adhering to the NAP, but as Cole said, you have these people in the government that are obviously huge violators of the NAP.
00:35:37.860
And like I would not lose sleep over one of these – like any of these governors or anybody in Congress basically getting – you know, if something happens to them, whatever.
00:35:53.280
Kevin Smith blocked me on Twitter because like he responded to my Timothy McVeigh tweet saying that like it was wrong and abhorrent to think that Timothy McVeigh was right.
00:36:01.640
And I responded to Kevin Smith with just a clip from clerks.
00:36:04.860
And it's a clip from clerks of them debating whether or not the contractors on the Death Star were culpable for the actions of the government.
00:36:23.260
This goes back to my – this goes back to my question I asked, which was –
00:36:30.100
By the way, I did have to look it up in the –
00:36:33.100
Like I was on the side of like, who the fuck is Timothy McVeigh?
00:36:36.720
I want to touch on the NAP shit because I've been noticing a lot of people lately with their rhetoric is – some people don't get it.
00:36:43.720
Like it's – like for example, there's two things.
00:36:46.140
Like for example, the NAP thing and then like the public-private divide.
00:36:49.180
There's a lot of people that have this rhetoric of like, oh, well, we have to be in the real world and like not in principle world or some shit like that.
00:36:55.100
But it's like, well, first off, if your principles don't imply real world, they're shit.
00:37:00.540
Two, it's like, okay, well, these like – for example, like the public-private, it's like – it's a fucking – it's not a binary.
00:37:12.660
Like and then with the NAP, it's like the government fucking by its existence fucking aggresses against you.
00:37:18.420
So that also doesn't mean that you are obligated to fucking aggress back at them.
00:37:23.760
It doesn't – like for example, when a cop pulls you over, yes, they're breaking NAP.
00:37:27.440
That doesn't mean you have to blow their brains out.
00:37:29.140
That means you're morally – it's morally acceptable for you to do so.
00:37:39.940
I want to respond to Nick in the comments here.
00:37:43.540
Bring up Nick's comment, so flippant to both 20 children.
00:37:56.020
I thought Tom was just taking the devil's advocate there.
00:37:58.520
A pacifist is somebody who's never been hungry.
00:38:06.420
The people who can claim pacifism as a realistic ideology have never fucking suffered, never fucking worried.
00:38:11.860
They've led a privileged existence, and they've never fucking been hungry.
00:38:15.420
They've never had to contemplate what it would mean that their survival is dependent on somebody else's misfortune.
00:38:21.220
Those people are privileged, and I don't care to understand them.
00:38:25.620
By the way, so you have to believe the Amish exist?
00:38:35.000
They don't understand the fucking downfall of society.
00:38:38.040
And, like, to Nick's point, I'm so flippant about the deaths of fucking 20 children.
00:38:41.380
I'm flippant about the deaths of 20 fucking children because how many fucking hundreds of thousands of children are dead because of the actions of fucking government?
00:38:49.840
I don't care at this point because at this point, it's a statistic.
00:38:58.480
I don't care about the individual at that point because it is a statistic.
00:39:08.620
And if you kill everyone, you're a god because what is a god but the farmer to the cow?
00:39:15.960
Getting your panties in a twist about clutching pearls, about respectability politics, when the government is actually trying to destroy your life and you are unwilling to say mean things back, fuck yourself.
00:39:31.500
Well, it is a weird thing because I asked a question to everybody.
00:39:40.480
I do want to finish it because so I asked and I think I maybe even put it on – tweeted about it.
00:39:46.460
About – is it justifiable to go after a tyrant's family?
00:39:52.160
And what's weird is that Nick took the – yes, it's totally okay because they go after your family every fucking day.
00:39:58.460
So if you need to go after their kids, go after the kids because they would go after your kids.
00:40:04.320
Let me – to get Nick's defense, he's not here.
00:40:07.680
I actually – we talked about this to get his perspective.
00:40:09.780
He was looking at it from a logistical perspective where it's like if for some reason it's like – I don't know.
00:40:15.640
Say you're like – you think this kid may grow up and fucking kill you or there's some fucking reason where it's necessary.
00:40:22.040
Like if you're not – if you don't feel like it's necessary, it's one thing.
00:40:24.460
But with the Timothy McVeigh thing, one, I 100% like agree it's not – that was a NAP violation.
00:40:31.920
Like we're playing NAP like fucking – that's NAP violation.
00:40:36.840
And then also even then from the logistical side of things, that served nothing.
00:40:43.340
Like doing shit like that especially – it would have been one thing if no fucking like innocents had been murdered.
00:40:50.060
I would even say even then I don't think that works.
00:40:52.320
I think all that does is give the government a fucking – a enemy to go after.
00:40:56.920
Yeah, strategically it's bad as we saw with the 1-6-7.
00:41:00.200
So not only is that morally stupid, it's fucking logistically stupid as well.
00:41:04.360
So I honestly don't see you having a leg to stand on the air to be honest.
00:41:09.580
It's not about whether or not it's morally okay.
00:41:12.140
It's not about whether or not it's fucking logistically okay.
00:41:15.060
It's about whether or not you care so fucking little about actually fighting back that you care about the respectability rather than the action.
00:41:26.180
You're talking about fighting back, but don't you want it to actually be meaningful?
00:41:29.560
If you're fighting back and it's making things worse, what's the fucking point?
00:41:32.780
Like you're just making things worse for yourself.
00:41:35.220
Not only is it morally wrong – and I come from a sterner perspective, so I don't even – like I'm kind of in a sense think above morals in a sense.
00:41:41.500
So I'm kind of coming from you, except for I actually read.
00:41:45.660
It would be like if your wife was getting mad at you and arguing with you, so you just stab her.
00:41:51.960
Yeah, there's nothing – I don't feel like there's any reason at all this can be – like even from respectability, like what are you just doing just to spite the politicians?
00:42:03.280
Hey, I firmly believe – I firmly believe that the closest thing we can get to a just government would be an absolute dictatorship with a healthy dose of assassination.
00:42:14.360
Someone just threw a hundred bucks at Tower Gang.
00:42:39.600
Well, to Justin's point, even though I don't really agree with this because he's really taking like a utilitarian perspective on this.
00:42:55.960
It's definitely weighing the end over the means for sure.
00:42:59.880
But just to play devil's advocate with Jose a little bit, if you had enough people that agreed with you, there are more people than there are people in the government.
00:43:10.220
So strategically, if you had enough people, it would not necessarily be a failure.
00:43:14.240
By the way, I also did – we were talking about the NAP in our chat the other day.
00:43:22.840
And I was like, hey, I think a lot of people put more into the NAP than actually what it is.
00:43:27.880
Because to me, and what I've seen, it's like it's just basically an outline of how to serve justice and just looking at, okay, who aggressed on who?
00:43:36.700
So we'll just look at the NAP who was the first one to aggress – who was non-aggressing and who was.
00:43:41.560
All right, then any action after that taken by the one aggressed upon is basically morally okay, but we'll just kind of figure out the justice system after that.
00:43:49.060
So it's like you can apply things like is the government aggressing on us?
00:43:53.720
Therefore, at that point, it's just kind of like, okay, the NAP, we've finished that part of this whole thing we're supposed to go through.
00:44:01.720
Now what happens after that doesn't really have to do with the NAP anymore.
00:44:05.700
It's just basically, okay, now it's just tactics.
00:44:07.620
Are you guys familiar with the actual history of how the American Revolution started, of what preceded Concord and Lexington?
00:44:15.160
What led to General Gage issuing the order for troops to march on Lexington and Concord to confiscate guns?
00:44:20.820
Do you know what that order was in response to?
00:44:36.220
The Hillsborough County Sheriff and the Boston Royal Tax Collector rolled up to a pine tree farm in Henneker, New Hampshire to collect lumber taxes on the king's lumber.
00:44:46.680
And the people of Henneker, New Hampshire got so fucking pissed at the notion of fucking taxation that they beat the tax collector into near death, tarred and feathered him, strapped him to the back of a horse, cut off the horse's tail and ears, and sent the horse in the direction of Boston, dragging him behind it with a note that said, come and collect your taxes.
00:45:14.820
I was going to say tarring and feathering, and I would have been correct, but I didn't know the specifics of what happened.
00:45:20.380
They got so fed up that they – and mind you, do you know where they found him, where they got the tax collector?
00:45:26.820
They broke into his home, bound his family, and beat him in bed.
00:45:38.920
It wasn't like he was asking – it's probably so insignificant to what we're used to today.
00:45:49.380
It was the notion that they could be taxed, and they saw being taxed as enough of an aggression to beat a man near to death and to torture him.
00:46:00.480
I feel like I agree with what Jose said, but I'm just trying to – so what you are saying, Justin, is the problem is that people think that you can accomplish your goals without innocent people getting hurt or the appearance and how that comes across.
00:46:17.540
There has never been a successful peaceful revolution.
00:46:21.200
Gandhi didn't get India's independence through peaceful protest.
00:46:25.460
Gandhi's peaceful protest just brought light to the violence that Muslim separatists in Bangladesh were fighting.
00:46:30.960
Martin Luther King didn't achieve social change in the United States through peaceful means.
00:46:36.200
They actually did it through occupation of private property and deprivation of property rights to private property owners in the south and violent action and threat by the Black Panthers to back up everything they were saying.
00:46:46.020
There has never been a successful cultural or social or political change that didn't have collateral damage.
00:46:54.720
Like where do you draw a line when something's too far?
00:46:57.740
Once you let that principle go, is it just the ends justify the means?
00:47:11.920
Historically, the lines will be justified by the victor in conflict is how it always comes out.
00:47:17.700
Whatever was taken to succeed will be justified after the fact.
00:47:20.720
No, but do you think human nature and human history, which I think is this vicious cycle, which I mean, for me, like with 1776, I actually think it served no one.
00:47:29.620
I know we have this romantic view of the fucking revolution, but if you look at it from a hysterical from a historical perspective without this fucking like shit, we've been raised up in this fucking propaganda and shit.
00:47:42.280
What we have now is worse than being under the British monarchy.
00:47:45.480
Well, honestly, I do want to push back on that because if you do look at the ones that were under the British monarch still to the day, like basically Australia, Canada, we are in a better position than they are.
00:47:56.600
So, I mean, at least even just incrementally better.
00:48:00.960
We're in a better place than Britain is right now.
00:48:09.920
But even then, I mean, Australia was a fucking criminal colony.
00:48:12.840
So, I mean, there's a whole bunch of other factors involved.
00:48:15.080
The problem with Australia is that too many people were descended from prison guards.
00:48:28.300
Well, by the way, what's really weird, too, is like if you ask basically anybody in America, like if they like taxes, all of them be like, hell no.
00:48:39.600
I even got fucking shoe on head to admit she hates taxes.
00:48:45.760
And you only got to do that because of us, by the way.
00:48:50.620
But like you asked them that and they're like, no, we don't want to pay more taxes.
00:48:55.600
If you gave them the choice of you can either don't pay taxes or you do.
00:48:59.460
And they're like, no, I would rather not pay them.
00:49:02.420
But, I mean, it comes to basically, I mean, I'm talking to myself here, too.
00:49:10.300
So, the fucking Pheasant Lane Mall in Nashua, New Hampshire is the perfect fucking example of this.
00:49:16.600
When they built that mall, they didn't do a proper land survey.
00:49:20.520
And so, a corner of one of the box stores, I think it was Macy's, just a corner of Macy's.
00:49:25.060
It's like 15 total square feet of each of the three levels of Macy's was in Massachusetts.
00:49:30.620
And so, Massachusetts came back and said, you owe us sales taxes.
00:49:34.840
And Macy's is like, fine, we'll pay Massachusetts sales taxes.
00:49:39.880
And Massachusetts is like, no, no, the whole mall owes us sales taxes.
00:49:46.140
And now, if you look at it on a map, it's a cornered fucking wall.
00:49:51.520
But still, still, because the people in Massachusetts keep voting for these fucking tax increases.
00:49:56.840
Keep voting for their fucking sales taxes to fund all their fucking lofty social programs.
00:50:01.440
Yet, there's not a single New Hampshire plate in that parking lot.
00:50:05.120
It's all Massachusetts plates driving over the border to shop tax break.
00:50:09.680
Yeah, sales tax being nothing in New Hampshire and a bitch in Massachusetts.
00:50:14.460
What is sales tax in Massachusetts, by the way?
00:50:17.020
I think it's like six and a half now is what it's up to or some shit like that.
00:50:29.780
All right, I want to – let's – I want to touch on – there's two more things we want to hit on,
00:50:33.660
or at least one that we really want to hit on and one that I want to hit on.
00:50:36.760
You had a take that I thought was pretty retarded a little bit ago.
00:50:40.320
It was – you basically said that both fucking socialism and capitalism were retarded, essentially, which –
00:50:47.200
But you're basically like they both require a state backing them up, which I –
00:50:53.880
I am very much of the opinion that like words are subjective, so I can understand.
00:50:58.800
Like I just did – I literally just dropped today my episode with Ace on Benjamin Tucker.
00:51:04.860
And in that, he literally goes – breaks it entirely down, his view.
00:51:09.300
And like legit, you could all – like 99% of fucking ANCAPs, if you had them read that fucking essay
00:51:16.760
and just swapped out socialism with capitalism, they wouldn't know the fucking difference.
00:51:21.500
And so it's one of those things where we're kind of – a lot of times the socialists and the capitalists
00:51:25.900
So – but I also don't understand taking the perspective of like basically negating both sides of it.
00:51:35.580
And if I want to make that argument, I'm making that argument in the context of colloquial use of the words.
00:51:41.680
It's not used to mean what you want it to mean.
00:51:43.760
It's not used to mean free exchange, open markets, voluntary exchange.
00:51:47.820
It's used to mean corporate structure and profiteering.
00:51:52.140
That's actually the historical usage of the term.
00:51:54.080
When Marx fucking coined the term, that's what he used it to describe was corporate profiteering
00:51:58.560
and the leveraging of capital to make more money.
00:52:01.000
And the left has stuck to that fucking definition.
00:52:04.680
And the right has tried to reclaim capitalism to be about free markets and free trade.
00:52:10.160
Because you go and ask Joe Schmo, educated fucking college sophomore, what their opinion on capitalism is,
00:52:15.300
you're going to get a fucking shriek about fucking corporate greed and fucking stock markets.
00:52:25.060
Communism and socialism are not the same thing.
00:52:27.200
Socialism is a utilitarian, mutualist ideal of people helping people.
00:52:35.720
Communism and capitalism, as currently used today, those terms currently used today,
00:52:42.620
And I believe in a post-state solution will be inherently panarchist with a multitude of competing voluntary economic systems,
00:52:51.740
because I'm going to want to buy my meat from the fucking socialist commune up in Henneker.
00:52:56.040
And they're probably going to need to fucking come to me to handle fucking getting electric fucking shipped out there and fucking support on their solar panels to keep the farm running.
00:53:04.360
Like, the capitalist cities and the mutualist farms and communes will coexist peacefully without the interference of the state and without the social action tearing them apart.
00:53:13.540
Okay, but I would push back on that and say that we literally have four people in here who would completely disagree with you.
00:53:21.840
So, like, I get what you're saying, but pretty much...
00:53:24.600
I think Dave's about to... I think Fat Dave's coming around.
00:53:26.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I've come around to the fact that...
00:53:30.440
So, did you post that just to shitpost and rile up ancaps, basically?
00:53:39.000
It would make more sense to say you're both right than it would to say you're both wrong.
00:53:48.500
I'll come around to your side if you can come up with a name for my show that rhymes and isn't, like, too hard to...
00:53:53.900
A little naturalist-capitalist thing is working out well, so you're...
00:54:07.320
When I hear libertarians describing their idea of capitalism as free and voluntary exchange,
00:54:14.460
what I hear is mutualism, what I hear is voluntarism, what I hear is agorism.
00:54:19.260
Normalize these fucking words, because you've lost the fight for capitalism.
00:54:24.000
A lot of people do use market or, you know, free market enterprise.
00:54:29.380
I mean, I guess capitalism has become just an easy thing to go to, more or less.
00:54:33.600
And I guess I do get your thing of, like, you know, the definition has changed,
00:54:41.340
When I first saw the tweet, I was like, this guy's a fucking idiot.
00:54:44.920
And then when you explained it, I'm like, okay.
00:54:46.180
I still don't think it makes sense, because you're negating both sides on a subjective stance.
00:54:51.020
So, like, you even conceded, words are subjective.
00:54:54.180
So, both of these groups are using this word to mean one thing,
00:54:57.320
and the other groups use this word to mean another.
00:54:59.120
So, it makes more sense to say you're both right than to say you're both wrong.
00:55:02.120
The point of that tweet was to challenge people that I think they're both fucking wrong,
00:55:05.220
because people are stuck on using definitions that their opposition disagrees with.
00:55:08.960
You cannot debate somebody if you can't agree on the definitions of terms,
00:55:13.000
because you're both going to be making arguments that feel like they're in conflict
00:55:16.500
and or support of each other, but without agreeing on the definition of terms,
00:55:20.300
you never come to an understanding of what the other person is saying.
00:55:23.480
And what I was trying to challenge with that tweet is libertarians branding themselves as
00:55:29.540
You're debating people who have a fundamentally different approach and understanding of what
00:55:36.320
And, to the fucking super chat there, it's not ceding the word.
00:55:41.000
You're acknowledging the historical definition of capitalism.
00:55:43.440
So, fucking take grasp of the words that we have that accurately describe what we're going
00:55:50.200
Well, isn't this the same argument they've made for anarchy, too?
00:55:53.940
Like, basically, anarchism is, you know, started with leftists, so basically saying you're
00:55:58.500
anarcho-capitalist is just, like, you're just destroying the original use of the word.
00:56:07.500
Well, I just wanted to say, Justin, you are right, because I had Misty Winston on my show
00:56:14.360
And she had a pillow that said capitalism is a death cult on it behind her.
00:56:19.340
And then we ended up talking about what you're talking about.
00:56:22.480
And I said, OK, just forget the word capitalism.
00:56:24.500
What do you think about free exchange between people, voluntary transactions?
00:56:29.580
And she was like, yeah, I don't care, whatever.
00:56:31.700
When you talk to people where they are and you use phrases and terms that they can understand,
00:56:36.680
you have a better chance of communicating them.
00:56:39.160
You have a better chance of delivering your message to them and getting them to come around
00:56:43.600
But, like, sticking to your guns and saying, we're going to reclaim the word capitalism,
00:56:51.140
I'm just saying negating both sides of the subjective semantics argument is kind of silly,
00:56:56.720
where it would make more sense to say you're both right.
00:56:58.860
Like, if you say, hey, is this what you're describing?
00:57:01.020
And I also completely agree you should define terms whenever you're talking.
00:57:08.600
But then it gets a little bit muddier, I think, because, like, yes, I agree that they don't
00:57:13.300
have the same definition of capitalism that we do.
00:57:16.580
But one thing that I think is the actual disagreement on, like, what the system would look like or what
00:57:20.700
it should be is that the people on the left generally reject hierarchy and anarcho-capitalists
00:57:28.940
Like, we understand that there are going to be certain hierarchies.
00:57:31.880
And I don't think it would look like this huge corporate structure that we have right now,
00:57:35.100
which I think is a result of the existence of the state.
00:57:40.760
People are going to do jobs that fit their skills.
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And the whole point is that it's voluntarily, that no exchange can happen that doesn't benefit
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Because all these people throw in big money, and then they're just-
00:58:09.620
By the way, also, I didn't want to mention that, so, um-
00:58:13.740
Most leftists or socialists also agree that markets do exist within socialism, so it's
00:58:19.800
like, if you do come at them and be like, oh, you don't believe in markets, they're
00:58:24.980
They don't believe, like, it's a really weird thing, so I think that also goes to capitalism,
00:58:30.780
Right, and the problem is, like, when you're debating and engaging with, like, a dyed-in-the-wool
00:58:34.880
fucking academic socialist, when you talk about capitalism to them, the word they hear
00:58:41.800
So you take capitalism out of it, you take coercion and force out of it, you agree on
00:58:51.760
It is very weird when you're talking about, like, taxes with them, and you're talking
00:58:54.820
about coercion, and they were like, well, basically, if working and not being able to
00:59:00.340
eat unless you work, it's coercion also to them.
00:59:02.740
So, like, they'll just be like, okay, well, then now we're at a moot point, because I
00:59:05.660
think that's coercion, you think that's coercion, so now we're just kind of stuck here.
00:59:12.300
You find where the fucking line is, and we can agree, and we can work together up to
00:59:18.740
But, like, no, I'm not going to fucking feed you for nothing, you fucking freeloader.
00:59:23.220
Yeah, I definitely will say, don't get caught up on mouse sounds, because that's all that
00:59:26.760
So, like, if a mouse sound is somehow getting in the way of you convincing someone or whatever
00:59:33.120
your goal is, then abandon that mouse sound and fight a different mouse sound, because
00:59:39.100
I know a certain someone made it in the name of his show, so he might be a little more caught
00:59:47.820
If you're talking to someone that that is a word that's amenable to them, then yes, use
00:59:51.800
If it's someone that you know is going to instantly turn them off, use a different fucking word.
00:59:55.420
By the way, I'm going to have Abby Martin on the naturalist capitalist.
01:00:04.580
You should make a new banner just for the episode.
01:00:08.120
But I don't know how many of you guys saw that debate I did with that guy, like, a couple
01:00:25.380
I was like, okay, I know we're, but he, I, we defined terms in the beginning and he could
01:00:33.060
Like every rebuttal he made was about corporatism and imperialism.
01:00:37.540
And I was like, those are huge violations of property rights.
01:00:40.460
Like blowing up people's houses overseas is an enormous violation.
01:00:46.600
Dude, I pulled my hair out on that episode because not only did he do that, but also
01:00:51.080
he kept referencing, because apparently he's in the military.
01:00:55.840
He kept referencing the military as some sort of a.
01:00:59.620
Great system, great economic system we should be following.
01:01:02.420
Yeah, I mean, he conceded like, oh, I don't like the war side of it.
01:01:05.000
But, you know, for a template for socialism, like, look at this, look at that.
01:01:08.640
And I'm like, he being in 11 years, like this clearly has been in, like, $40,000 on paper
01:01:15.860
The army, the army is a modern day company town.
01:01:19.340
You could tell by the way he was talking, he'd probably been in like two years.
01:01:22.640
And me being in 11 years, I'm like, dude, you haven't seen the shit.
01:01:26.620
And you're like, no, this is fucking horse shit.
01:01:28.780
You're just like, I got to do my job and I get paid.
01:01:35.820
Was it like the standard, I guess, dictionary definition, which is the one that I use, which
01:01:39.520
is capitalism being private ownership or the means of production and socialism being public
01:01:48.040
So he was arguing for like state sponsored socialism.
01:01:51.020
I was arguing for anarcho capitalism or at the very least, like very, very minimal state
01:01:57.940
involvement, you know, with just courts or whatever.
01:02:00.580
And the idea of like free enterprise, private property ownership and property rights, respect,
01:02:09.100
And I don't know, it just every single question I had to redefine what I was saying, because
01:02:15.940
Imperialism is, you know, a, an offshoot of capitalism.
01:02:20.820
It was, I mean, you'll have to, I'll send it to you, but it's, it sucks.
01:02:24.180
It sucks because debates do basically come down to just arguing definitions for like 45 minutes
01:02:31.540
It's like, unless you do get to somebody that you're like, okay, we agree on definitions
01:02:35.600
now, now we can talk, which is basically, we have a lot more easy time to debate and
01:02:42.380
talk to right-wing people because they mostly actually do kind of agree with the premises
01:02:48.740
And then they're, they're just like, take it off to a totally different way than we do.
01:02:56.280
I feel like when we approach the right versus left debate, it's like, when we talk to the
01:03:00.340
left, we agree on the problems and disagree on the solutions.
01:03:03.560
When we talk to the right, we agree on the solutions, but disagree on what they're solving.
01:03:12.420
Cause they like, because like whenever she was on, she was really easy to see, like,
01:03:17.960
And they're just like, okay, we're, we have all these wars.
01:03:20.260
And I was like, I was, I was, I was ripping on this today too.
01:03:27.700
I wanted to see how much we spent on Afghanistan.
01:03:29.540
And then to me, like when I saw it was $2 trillion, that number doesn't really compute
01:03:34.220
Like how big that is until you realize it's $300 million a day for 20 years.
01:03:42.120
But the entirety of that $2 trillion was debt financed on loose bonds because they borrowed
01:03:51.100
So it's going to take over 50 years to pay that back.
01:03:54.500
And the 50 years worth of interest on that $2 trillion is over 12 trillion.
01:03:59.940
So I'm just taking the, the, the, you know, front end number, $2 trillion.
01:04:07.580
We could, I put this in the words of like, we could literally buy everybody in the
01:04:16.340
And we've been in a better place than we are right now.
01:04:20.140
It cost the taxpayers $86,000 every time I pulled the trigger.
01:04:26.440
That's what, it's that meme of like the government uses a like $3 million drone to fire a $80,000
01:04:36.580
Do you know, do you know what one of the biggest setbacks the U.S. military had in Afghanistan
01:04:41.000
was like after the rollout of thermal imaging and the fucking surveillance drones and in
01:04:46.940
the first big surge, all of a sudden there was a fucking pitfall.
01:04:49.720
We couldn't track the Taliban because they bought 50 cent space blankets on the fucking
01:04:54.380
And the 50 cent space blankets hid their thermal signature from our billion dollar drones.
01:05:04.940
Hey, Toad, have you got the pee pee poo poo rolled ready to go or what's that?
01:05:10.120
I was just going to ask Justin really quickly because he just mentioned the Taliban.
01:05:13.160
He also happened to piss off all of the Taliban today.
01:05:20.360
Which by the way, I do want to bring back up again that they did piss off all the boob boys.
01:05:43.440
I'll tell you what the one that said he pissed off the boob boys was.
01:05:46.840
He posted one meme and it was like all these, it had like the U.S. like flag and then the
01:05:53.200
California flag and they were like, no, you can't have those guns.
01:05:56.440
And he was just like the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
01:05:59.340
And then like, and so all the boob boys and all the libertarians were like, oh, hell yeah.
01:06:05.980
And then they had like the boob boy soy jack meme.
01:06:09.580
And it was just like, we want gay people to protect their marijuana flags, marijuana plants
01:06:21.280
Tyler Jenk, follow him on Twitter, go to fucking libertarian podcast review and fucking subscribe
01:06:28.380
I made a, I made Malang delete a tweet because he took a picture of the dogs at the airport
01:06:32.780
and he tweeted, it was like, should we kill all these American dogs?
01:06:35.860
And I'm like, don't make me hate you, but like, I will fucking find you and murder you.
01:06:40.700
You will treat those dogs, dogs with love and respect.
01:06:43.220
And that thousands of people just like retweeting that and liking that.
01:06:48.400
But then he put up a picture of them taking down the pride flags.
01:06:56.340
I took a pride flag and superimposed to Shahada over it.
01:07:05.180
And I'm like, it's the most inclusive replacement flag yet.
01:07:13.740
Everyone on here, go fucking hit up Malang, where the fuck his name is.
01:07:21.340
We want him on our September 11th fucking edition.
01:07:25.480
If we get him and Ryan Dawson on together, it'd be fucking internet magic.
01:07:33.680
What's funny is like, he talks about killing dogs.
01:07:35.360
Like, they haven't been killing American dogs for fucking years.
01:07:38.080
I mean, how many servicemen have we lost out there?
01:07:42.760
They probably fucked the dogs first, I would imagine.
01:08:03.220
So, we were discussing this in our group chat while Toad pulls up all this stuff.
01:08:10.520
But somebody posted the LP members, like, on the LP.org or whatever it is.
01:08:22.480
Who was it that made the joke about all of them looking like kid fuckers?
01:08:33.680
Elizabeth, I will literally come in the other room and beat your ass right now, okay?
01:08:42.780
Who was the guy that made the joke about all the people on the LP.org page?
01:08:51.740
And then Josh Smith was like, what the fuck, man?
01:08:56.220
I can't remember who made that joke, but it was really funny.
01:09:01.200
And so, I think Toad brought up, or Top Lobster made some art for us, if Toad wants to bring
01:09:23.160
So, I think for this first installment of Fucker Duck, we're going to go over the LP administration
01:09:34.020
It's a little bit of a mix, actually, but yeah.
01:09:50.540
By the way, he could totally add some sort of Duck Hunter element to this, like with the
01:09:59.660
I thought you were talking about because Justin looks like he's on Duck Dynasty.
01:10:04.280
Molly, I remember, so Top Lost a post that it was Pete Quinones was the one that made that
01:10:08.320
joke about all of the LP admin people look like child fuckers.
01:10:13.960
Yeah, and I went through it today because you guys had been like, oh, there's like a spectrum
01:10:17.460
from, I don't know who the ugliest motherfucker is in it, all the way up to Josh Smith.
01:10:21.180
And I'm like, Josh Smith can't be like the sexiest one out of all of them, right?
01:10:24.960
And then I looked at the page and I was like, Jesus, like I would fuck Josh Smith over
01:10:30.660
This is why I posted like, if you feel ugly or fat or something like that, and you just
01:10:35.080
really feel down on yourself, just go to an LP event.
01:10:39.600
I want to tell you guys a story of an LP event where I saw a woman on the LNC do the most
01:10:48.460
demeaning thing I've ever seen to another woman.
01:10:51.200
We were at a fundraiser in DC and Arvin Vora walks in with his girlfriend at the time and
01:10:57.120
she was just a dying beast, like gorgeous girl in a fucking fancy fucking dress.
01:11:00.940
And he walks in and Aaron Adams is shit-faced and she stumbles over to him.
01:11:14.960
We had the ambassador from Liberland there and started dying laughing.
01:11:23.840
No, I got to run at 10.30 Eastern time, so that's like-
01:11:35.780
I think it's, would you fuck them or would you duck them like they're a plane coming to
01:11:45.280
Because I can't just say fuck or duck and not give an explanation.
01:11:49.260
We'll do one with Reed and then we can do it quick.
01:12:08.400
This is the guy that has said in the chat, it looks like he's-
01:12:17.420
Well, he's probably about five feet in height, I would imagine, based on this.
01:12:23.680
Like, you need to stop where you're at right now.
01:12:26.100
Yeah, I would say duck, but given that he's probably five feet tall, I don't know if it
01:12:35.200
He's wearing an Aeropostale shirt, so that's pretty awesome.
01:12:53.440
In this hypothetical, I gotta assume I'm down for the fucking brown, for dudes, you know?
01:13:07.600
He looks like he'd be a tender cuddler, you know, just help out with the loneliness, you
01:13:17.480
Should the movie do you have to fuck a certain number of these, not knowing who's coming next?
01:13:21.220
By the way, the red ass hair would cover up all the anal blood, so, you know?
01:13:34.520
Naturalist Capitalist on YouTube, Spotify, Anchor, you know, all that shit.
01:14:02.640
He does look like an alternate universe version of you.
01:14:23.560
By the way, this might make him the most fuckable
01:14:34.480
I mean, a hole as a hole, like Jose always says,
01:14:39.360
I feel like we're going to hear from Heiss on this one.
01:14:49.920
Yeah, you don't have to worry about it getting out.
01:15:04.900
This picture, too, is what's said over the head.
01:15:12.500
It's a matter of asserting dominance and letting him...
01:15:21.080
How much can one man suffer when his asshole literally whistles when he farts?
01:15:26.040
I was just going to say he's experienced in dick suckers.
01:15:29.620
You can probably just turn the lights off and maybe, uh...
01:15:32.760
He just strikes me as the type of, like, boyfriend or girlfriend or whoever that talks shit about you behind your back, you know?
01:15:42.800
You fuck the first guy and then you're going to duck the gay man?
01:15:50.200
Like, do you really want to be in a relationship with someone who's going to talk trash about you to, like...
01:16:03.640
It's the fact that you know he'll lie about it and he'll cover up the evidence and he'll claim attorney-client privilege so it doesn't leak out.
01:16:11.680
I'm saying fuck just because, like I said, he can do it in the dark and he's probably experienced with dick-sucking.
01:16:17.180
And I would have said fuck on the first one because I do masturbate, so...
01:16:23.440
I mean, not that I was, like, out there shooting the Taliban, but I definitely wasn't fucking clicking on fucking PowerPoints.
01:16:44.000
The problem is, he looks like he would be a top.
01:16:57.500
Well, I'm also sharing my screen right now, but I can do really well.
01:17:13.940
He's the one that whenever they were doing that whole thing with Carrie Ann Harlows and
01:17:19.300
all of them came on, he was the emcee of all that.
01:17:23.160
If I put myself in the mind of a bottom, I could totally go for him.
01:17:42.160
You guys are getting top vibes from him, but remember, he was given power and turned it
01:17:55.860
Well, and the fact that he lost all that weight kind of makes him the top, right?
01:18:00.680
So maybe he was a bottom before that and became a top.
01:18:03.660
Yeah, Ken Millman, I don't know you, but you put off sweet Chad energy.
01:18:08.480
Not like Alter Chad, but kind of like a sweetheart Chad.
01:18:10.920
That might have changed my – I might go fuck here again.
01:18:16.220
If he showed up the before picture, I probably would be not fuck.
01:18:23.320
I'll often look it up and see if I can find the old one.
01:18:45.040
Something about his mustache is throwing me off in this one.
01:18:48.380
He's normally a good-looking dude, but I don't like the mustache here.
01:18:51.020
Yeah, by the way, this is not a good picture of Josh here.
01:18:57.800
This is the worst picture I've ever seen of Josh.
01:19:00.440
I got to say, I mean, I'm going to go fuck just because he's the ultimate big spoon.
01:19:04.640
Like if you're a little spoon guy, dude, he would cuddle so goddamn good.
01:19:08.080
Could you imagine him just – you're sharing a laugh afterwards.
01:19:17.740
I mean, you guys haven't cuddled with Josh before?
01:19:20.320
Like I'm pretty sure there was a point in New Orleans after I passed out after doing a bunch of whippets out of condoms with Mark Clare.
01:19:43.020
Even with this picture, he's still like the best-looking one, even better than Ken Mullen.
01:19:47.540
God, if those eyes were on a woman, they'd be screaming, I will ruin your financial future.
01:19:54.040
And honestly, I understand that vibe from Josh, too.
01:20:00.580
If we have to fuck him, does that mean I have to go to Iowa?
01:20:11.740
As long as he takes his couch with and I get to experience that.
01:20:20.860
We have break the cycle, a little light on the background.
01:20:24.500
So, I'm going to go fuck here just because it's Josh.
01:20:37.840
I just realized fucking Reed is about to go live as his next guest.
01:20:41.000
So, he's just like jumping from this retarded pee-pee-poo-poo shit to like some serious talk.
01:20:50.760
She's a little bit older, but something about her tells me she does dirty, dirty shit.
01:21:05.360
I mean, I'm not a big into like older women thing.
01:21:12.600
Hey, a plus here is she can remove the dentures and then basically you don't have to worry about
01:21:35.900
Totus joshed off 30 times, seven times in a day.
01:21:39.000
I feel like her libido will make you like kind of feel emasculated.
01:21:44.380
Even if you're like an early 20s dude, I just feel like she could keep up.
01:21:53.680
Well, honestly, I might have to go on a duck here because she's already been let down enough
01:22:02.740
So if she fucks me, there might be one more letdown.
01:22:06.780
So we were talking about whether we want her to come on Tower Power Hour.
01:22:10.260
So how she reacts to this is going to be a clear indicator of whether she can hang.
01:22:13.360
Well, she definitely – she has some like – even her Porkfest speech, she had some
01:22:19.840
like wild shit in there talking about fucking and shit.
01:22:32.900
If you're watching this, if you come on, this is what you're doing.
01:22:36.500
So be prepared to say whether you'd fuck these people you know in real life.
01:22:39.360
We will not – hey, we will not kick you off for –
01:22:43.220
That's the worst part is I know all these people in real life.
01:22:52.500
This is a beautiful way to spike the ball on the way out too.
01:22:55.820
I mean, if you're already on the way out, just fucking spike that pitch and walk out.
01:22:59.060
Well, that was the question I was going to ask if Justin knows – like what's the
01:23:02.240
latest on what's going on with – because they're trying to kick her out again.
01:23:07.140
Like literally, Laura Ebke is so fucking high and mighty on her fucking self that she thinks
01:23:12.940
she's accomplishing something by fucking putting out a fucking motion to suspend Karen-Anne.
01:23:17.720
No, all she's fucking doing is fucking telling every LPMC fucking member and every Mises caucus
01:23:24.700
fucking constituent that they were right the whole fucking time.
01:23:32.240
And even after they fucking collapse their caucus and fucking rage quit the party, that they're
01:23:36.840
still going to try and fucking go after people with shots on the way out.
01:23:44.520
That's actually a great idea for a bit, by the way.
01:23:46.760
Once we do – like ease her in with these and throw us in there.
01:23:55.600
It has to be our – basically these pictures, though.
01:24:07.320
Well, and also we would say that we would duck Laura Ebke after we said we'd fuck a bunch
01:24:25.580
I'm still ducking just because I don't want to let her down.
01:24:30.240
And after that is all over, we can get her on our show.
01:24:45.360
His name is Duff Goldman, and he is a famous pastry artist and cake baker.
01:25:03.360
It has way more gray in it than it should than Justin's does.
01:25:13.480
So we're all saying if you would fuck him right now, and he's saying if he beats off.
01:25:19.340
And also, by the way, you get little cake afterwards.
01:25:24.440
You get some of his cake, and then you get some of his cake.
01:25:40.500
We had to at least do one time to let Toad sit in it a little bit, all right?
01:25:47.000
You can put your dick in the cake and then let him suck it off.
01:26:08.440
Just imagine him looking at your dick with that photo, though.
01:26:11.500
He's just looking at it and just like, that is not as big as I want it to be.
01:26:18.220
I feel like this is one of my uncles from my dad's high school yearbook.
01:26:43.760
If Reed was still in here, just how he looks just tonight, I'd be like, yes, we're fucking Reed.
01:27:12.660
And I love how, basically, I think there's only one woman in there.
01:27:36.280
I mean, I can't wait until Michael Malice comes up.
01:27:43.000
We're going to talk if we're going to fuck or duck.
01:27:49.360
Do we have to bring up Trotty Pussy in the dock again?
01:27:57.980
You should have said that I wanted to get him on for my Anarchist Handbook series.
01:28:03.960
Can you imagine him just holding his legs over, like, behind his head?
01:28:08.440
This is inside the 90% of anarchist relationships right here.
01:28:17.480
Well, he's so small, most people would spin him, right?
01:28:26.800
I thought you were talking about because he's so jacked now for his being an underwear model
01:28:32.780
I don't fucking know what you're talking about.
01:28:35.400
I'm just thinking of Crouching Pussy in the dock.
01:28:37.240
The spinner is termed for usually a very petite woman or man or whatever that you spin around your dick.
01:28:52.160
I just don't know who's the spinner and who's the spin E.
01:28:54.980
We're at an hour and a half-ish, so I feel like this is probably a good place to kill it.
01:28:58.980
You guys, if you've got anything else pressing that you disagree with me on, speak now if I ever hold your peace.
01:29:08.460
So you can watch my show, O'Donnell for Liberty.
01:29:13.940
I get whoever the fuck is willing to come on to come on.
01:29:18.260
We talked about NFTs, and I got him to admit that 98% of NFTs are a waste of money to a bunch of people that he's selling NFTs to.
01:29:30.160
I called him a low-rent hipster Tony Robbins wannabe, and he agreed to come on my podcast.
01:29:36.320
It's so weird because I guess we have kind of like – sorry, I'm interrupting your plug here.
01:29:40.260
But because like both your podcast and our podcast, we get people on by basically bullying them and they're coming on even though –
01:29:47.880
The difference is like I have a blue checkmark, so they answer to my bullies faster.
01:29:52.220
I got Justin on our show by telling him how to sexually dominate him, so that's why he's here right now.
01:30:03.420
Yes, by the way, Dickie Walnuts, I want to – first of all, I do want to say a public apology because I was supposed to upload –
01:30:09.500
I told him I was going to upload every one of his videos, every one of the short videos he makes.
01:30:13.000
I can do it too because I – yeah, if you want me to do it.
01:30:15.240
We're going to start uploading to the channel because he makes fire content for us for basically free and off his phone.
01:30:24.560
You guys – so follow my YouTube, O'Donnell4Liberty.
01:30:30.340
Which – that handle is left over from when I ran from office.
01:30:32.920
I'm never going to change it because that has a blue check mark.
01:30:38.340
Twitter has different features for blue checks.
01:30:40.340
Like I have a whole different inbox and a notification page that are completely different.
01:30:51.600
Like it's going to be so funny being that Dave Smith has almost –
01:30:58.260
Yeah, there's 150,000 followers and Justin has 8,000 or something.
01:31:10.800
I thought it was because you were running for Senate.
01:31:15.900
So, no, I wrote my book because I'd swallowed a 10-strip of –
01:31:22.340
and then I swallowed a 10-strip of acid one weekend.
01:31:24.620
And what I was saying was like, you should work on that book you said you were going to write.
01:31:30.260
And then like three days later, I'm like, ha-ha, I wrote a book.
01:31:37.980
Somebody needs to tell Sam Marcus to actually get verified because he wrote his book.
01:31:43.060
But he keeps getting kicked off of Twitter, so someone needs to tell him just to get verified because he wrote a book.
01:31:50.360
I'm taking the Michael Malice approach of not writing anything original
01:31:52.980
and just collating other people's work into a book I can make profit off of.
01:32:03.020
And I'm collecting all of Stefan Kinsella's essays on intellectual property and I'm collating them into a book called The Case for Intellectual Property by Stefan Kinsella, organized by Justin O'Donnell.
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Well, we're going to disagree on another thing then, I guess.
01:32:20.820
But, no, it is great because Stefan Kinsella can't sue me because if Stefan Kinsella tries to claim, like, rights, then he undoes his entire life's work and no one will ever take him seriously again.
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Unless he comes with some sort of cogent argument why that's okay, which he fucking would with his autism.
01:32:39.620
I was like, if I ever meet Stefan Kinsella, I'm just going to walk up to him and be like, hi, my name's Stefan Kinsella and I go with the property, does it exist?
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And just watch his brain just melt as he's just like, you motherfucker.
01:32:54.340
Damn it, when I met him, we were talking about, like, Hoppa and stuff.
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I lost a lot of respect for him after Porkfest when he was all, like, telling people, see, you should have got vaccinated.
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My symptoms were so much better because I got vaccinated.
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Because you can rewind time and figure out how it would have been.
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I hate these arguments of, like, well, this is literally an unprovable assertion.
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But also, Kinsella, he's, like, a little bit older and he's had testicular cancer and had a lot of treatments for that.
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So his immune system is probably pretty comparable.
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You're telling me this guy lost his balls and then started talking about how IP is fake and gay?
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Like, I don't know if I shouldn't believe him anymore.
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No, he was talking about how IP is fake and gay and then lost his balls.
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It wasn't until after he lost his balls that he started calling himself the heavyweight.
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And on Wednesday, we got The Hoppians, Jared and Taylor.
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And then we got a 9-11 special coming up with – I think we already kind of blurted it out.
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Were you the one that got on Bin Laden's niece?
01:34:44.680
It'd be really hard just to be like, it's this coming Saturday.
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Like, Norman Lawton is like a hardcore megabot.
01:35:04.180
So if you get her and Malang Koste to go at it as a fucking Taliban bot?
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Can you imagine if we set up Bin Laden fucking – or that Bin Laden, Dawson and Malang for one episode?
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I mean, me and Nick would have to sit that out.
01:35:27.120
I literally would take – I would literally just – I would literally hit you.
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I would be like, hey, guys, this is Tower Power Hour.
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I'll just be – I'll be like, hey, guys, you can catch me in the chat.
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That way to add the effect of you, like, making popcorn in the background.
01:36:13.760
I'm probably going to start doing some live streams.
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That way I can get some of that fucking super chat money because that's where it's at.
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I want to shout out to MD again for sending $100 fucking dollars.
01:36:28.780
You two need to start hitting up my stream here soon.
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Because we had – we're booked out for like fucking –
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I know we have Josh Denny coming up, libertarian comedian.
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That motherfucker is harder to book than actual celebrities.
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I dropped a – today I dropped my Ace episode or my Benjamin Tucker episode with Ace for my Anarchist Handbook series.
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I'm going to try to hit every single one of them.