Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Standing for Truth Amid Left-Wing Lies, Interviews with Mary Margaret Olohan and Jeremy Carl | TRIGGERED Ep.139

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00:04:07.000 And with that, guys, joining me now, the author of D-Trans, True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult, Daily Signal reporter, Mary Margaret Olahan.

00:04:18.000 Mary, good to have you on here.

00:04:21.000 It's so great to be here.

00:04:22.000 Thank you so much.

00:04:23.000 Well, thanks for joining.

00:04:24.000 Your new book's sort of an interesting one.

00:04:25.000 I talk about it sort of on the show a lot, but usually in like just snippets of insanity, right?

00:04:30.000 You see the stories and you're like, I use the analogy, I feel like I'm the star of the Truman Show some days, like this can't possibly be actually happening in like the real world.

00:04:42.000 But your book goes so much further and it chronicles the stories of detransitioners, people who did it, realized it was,

00:04:51.000 The wrong move.

00:04:53.000 Why did you decide to write that book, and what did you find?

00:04:57.000 Well, I decided to write this book because as a reporter, and I would say as a conservative reporter, I view my job as filling the void that establishment media leaves.

00:05:07.000 We know that establishment media doesn't cover so many important stories, whether it's about campaigns,

00:05:14.000 For a long time, I've been trying to report stories and just put the truth out there so that American people have all the facts.

00:05:34.000 And that was the same thing with this project.

00:05:36.000 I was reporting a lot on gender issues, and I started seeing all these stories of detransitioners popping up. 1.00

00:05:41.000 And of course, when the mainstream or establishment media reports on them, they'll say weird things like,

00:05:50.000 You know, they'll call the transition procedures gender-affirming care, which is a euphemism designed to sound like it's loving and caring, when in reality it's surgeries, puberty blockers, and hormones, even when we're talking about kids.

00:06:05.000 So I saw this coverage and I thought, I want to tell the stories of the detransitioners 0.99

00:06:10.000 It's not going to be commentary.

00:06:11.000 It's just going to be reporting.

00:06:12.000 It's their stories so that your average American can pick it up and say, wow, this is their story.

00:06:18.000 I have a lot of empathy for them.

00:06:19.000 And I don't agree with that because we already know most Americans don't agree with transgender surgeries for kids.

00:06:26.000 They don't want men in women's spaces. 1.00

00:06:28.000 The establishment media would have you believe that they do.

00:06:31.000 Yeah, no, I've found that and I've said it and even gotten myself in trouble because I'm like, hey man, if you're 30 and you want to do it, I don't care.

00:06:38.000 I don't want to pay for it.

00:06:39.000 I don't want to hear about it ad nauseum.

00:06:41.000 I don't want to be subjected to whatever your whims are about ever-changing fluid pronouns and nonsense.

00:06:49.000 And most importantly, stay the hell away from our kids.

00:06:53.000 And, you know, honestly, I think, you know, a lot of people are there.

00:06:55.000 There are those that are going to be, you know, sort of, you know, totally, but, but that's not the case.

00:07:00.000 It seems like the target is always children.

00:07:05.000 Why is that?

00:07:07.000 I would say it's partially because we've seen real attempts from far-left ideologues and progressives to honestly steal the innocence of our children, whether that's in schools with their sex education, the way they talk about sex and gender with kids nowadays, where that should be a topic that is brought up by their parents, first and foremost primary educators, right?

00:07:29.000 But we're not seeing that anymore.

00:07:30.000 We're seeing attempts to teach kids

00:07:33.000 about this leftist ideology.

00:07:36.000 And you see it coming from the White House, you see it from coming from medical institutions, from corporations, it's just kind of pervasive.

00:07:44.000 And again, it's not something that most Americans are on board with.

00:07:47.000 And that is pretty scary, too, because we we see all this push for it, when it's not even something that people want.

00:07:55.000 If you didn't know any better, you'd think that it was, you know, like a 95% popular issue when it's probably

00:08:02.000 A 5% popular issue with the most radical and extreme people somehow having the loudest voice in the room, which I can't quite figure out.

00:08:11.000 Yeah, it's disturbing.

00:08:12.000 And the way that the media will talk about it, they'll say, for example, I'll pick a random state, Pennsylvania wants to ban gender-affirming care for kids, or Pennsylvania's trying to pass an anti-trans law.

00:08:24.000 And they word it in these weird euphemisms where you would think, oh my gosh, like Pennsylvania's- You're murdering children!

00:08:30.000 Yeah, or you might even think like, oh, Pennsylvania doesn't want trans youth to be able to get antibiotics for strep throat or something like that.

00:08:37.000 That's the way they want it to sound.

00:08:39.000 When in reality, these lawmakers don't want kids to undergo irreversible surgeries.

00:08:44.000 Because once a girl undergoes a double mastectomy, she can never go back. 0.95

00:08:48.000 You know, she's never gonna be able to nurse. 1.00

00:08:50.000 The hormones might have messed up her fertility, they might have messed up the way she looks, the way she sounds, and you would never know this from the way that media and these activists talk about these surgeries. 1.00

00:09:01.000 It's framed as loving and helpful and care and not irreversible and painful and invasive and sometimes disgusting.

00:09:10.000 Yeah, I mean, what is the recidivism rate?

00:09:14.000 I don't know, you know, or the detrans rate?

00:09:15.000 Because, I mean, recidivism is maybe the wrong word for it.

00:09:18.000 I'm just not well enough versed.

00:09:20.000 But what is that detrans rate across the country, right? 1.00

00:09:24.000 Because stuff I've seen, and you know better just from doing your homework on the book, but it's really high.

00:09:30.000 Like, really high.

00:09:33.000 So what's interesting about this whole issue is that first of all, detransitioners are really unlikely to go back to their doctors and say, I detransitioned.

00:09:42.000 So the statistics that we have are much lower than they should be.

00:09:46.000 Because if you think about it, it's kind of like if someone were abused and they went back to their abuser and said, hey, you did this to me, I didn't like it, I'm moving on now.

00:09:56.000 It's like that weird- Yeah, it's too uncomfortable to have that conversation.

00:09:59.000 You're going to someone else so you don't know.

00:10:00.000 Right.

00:10:01.000 Right.

00:10:02.000 And so, you know, when you go through this process and the doctors and therapists tell you, this will make you happier, this is going to improve your mental health.

00:10:09.000 And then you come out the other side and realize, oh my gosh, it's impossible for me to actually change my gender.

00:10:15.000 I just will never be able to do that.

00:10:17.000 I've spent all this money.

00:10:18.000 I'm mentally and physically suffering.

00:10:20.000 And I went through all this trauma and now my life is worse than it was before.

00:10:25.000 You're, you're highly unlikely to go back.

00:10:27.000 To the person that did this to you.

00:10:29.000 So Lisa Littman is a researcher who's done a lot of work on this and she did a study that found that I think only about 24% of detransitioners actually went back and told their doctors that they detransitioned.

00:10:41.000 And so because of that, we have a very skewed statistics on who actually goes back and we don't have any kind of detransition process to help them.

00:10:52.000 Because the doctors in our medical community right now are too cowardly to actually take a stand and offer their services and help to these poor young people and older people who realize they tried to do something impossible and now they need medical help.

00:11:07.000 You know, they have, for example, Chloe Cole, one of the most famous detransitioners, she still has open wounds from her double mastectomy that haven't healed because of the way that it was performed. 1.00

00:11:18.000 Some of these men who undergo

00:11:20.000 Really invasive procedures in terms of trying to create fake genitals.

00:11:25.000 That's very painful and invasive and often just has continuing complications and they need help.

00:11:32.000 But unfortunately, they don't have doctors who have been willing to say, okay, I took a note to do no harm.

00:11:38.000 I am gonna, you know, make a name for myself here and offer my services to these people.

00:11:43.000 Seems very odd that no one has stepped forward, but I guess that's the time that we're living in.

00:11:49.000 I mean, I've read numbers, and again, you know more than me that it makes total sense that people would be afraid to go back to the person that convinced them to mutilate themselves.

00:12:00.000 But I've read numbers up to like 93% of those maybe don't even detransition, but ultimately regretted doing it in the first place.

00:12:10.000 Is there more information on that, or is it sort of still lumped in the same thing?

00:12:13.000 Because it does feel there's so much support, and I'll use support in air quotes, pushing people into this situation, but it does not seem like there'd be nearly enough support when people are like, no, that was a huge mistake, I'm sorry.

00:12:27.000 Because then you're transphobic or something like that.

00:12:32.000 Right, and that is what they're told when they decide to detransition.

00:12:36.000 Before, it was all love bombing and it was, you know, all these gender activists and transgender people online would tell the person that was thinking about transitioning, yes, this is the right choice for you, you should do this, you're going to be happier.

00:12:48.000 And that's something that comes up a lot, this happy talk, like this will make you happier, when you can't really promise that to someone when you're a doctor, right?

00:12:56.000 That's kind of unprofessional to be saying, yes, you will be happier.

00:13:00.000 That's part of the reason I use the word cults in my subhead of my book because there are very cult-like qualities about the way all of this is being conducted.

00:13:11.000 But when this person, let's say Chloe Cole, realizes, oh my gosh, this was a huge mistake, I need to detransition, I need to go back to living as a girl,

00:13:20.000 The transgender community just vilifies you. 1.00

00:13:23.000 They'll say, you were never part of this, you're a betrayer, you hate us, you want us dead. 1.00

00:13:28.000 And that language comes up a lot too, this hateful, like, you wish we were dead language. 0.97

00:13:34.000 Yeah, and I could see you being sort of caught in sort of, you know, let's call it like a DMZ, a no man's land, right?

00:13:40.000 You've gone through all this, there's a

00:13:42.000 Physical, optical quantity that you may not feel comfortable in either group.

00:13:46.000 And I would imagine that's perhaps the, you know, the worst place.

00:13:51.000 And you're right.

00:13:52.000 Those who are, oh, it's going to make you feel better.

00:13:54.000 I mean, I think if we're being objectively honest, statistically, that's actually wrong, right?

00:13:57.000 If you're saying feel better has got to be more than 50%, it's not.

00:14:01.000 Right.

00:14:02.000 And yet it doesn't stop them from pushing that, right?

00:14:05.000 Yeah, and I think that the whole feel-better mentality too is pushed by people who are relying on feelings rather than facts, right?

00:14:12.000 And so there's this need to harness feelings when what we should be talking about is science and biology and what's actually going to help you.

00:14:23.000 Like, for example, a young person struggling with their identity, it's usually when they're going through puberty, which

00:14:29.000 is a hard time for every single person.

00:14:32.000 But nobody actually explains that.

00:14:34.000 So a young person going through puberty and struggling and feeling lonely at school, they probably need more attention from their parents, or they need better friends or a solid social group, they need to play some sports, they need to have solid social interactions, those kinds of things are really healthy.

00:14:49.000 They don't need to be on their phone in their room all day long, which by the way,

00:14:53.000 Every single detransitioner I spoke with was spending too much time on the internet, too much time on social media. 1.00

00:14:58.000 That's where they were first exposed to all of these dangerous ideas that lured them down this path, ultimately.

00:15:05.000 So just for parents, anyone, any parent that's worried about this, it is the phones and social media that is a major culprit in all of these transitions.

00:15:14.000 Yeah, no, it feels like that.

00:15:15.000 And, you know, as the father of five young kids, you know, that's scary because, you know, you do that.

00:15:21.000 They have their phones and this and all their friends are watching.

00:15:23.000 And it's, you know, you can see that, you know, whether it's the TikTok sort of Chinese psyop, you know, that that is not something that's flooding the Chinese algorithm of TikTok only in America.

00:15:33.000 It actually feels like there's actually, you know, a very much nefarious sort of purpose behind this.

00:15:39.000 Like, this didn't just, you know, five years ago we weren't even having these conversations.

00:15:43.000 Like, no one even heard of this stuff.

00:15:44.000 Ten years ago, you know, when I was in college, I graduated in 2000 in college, like, there were literally zero, I knew zero people.

00:15:51.000 You know, I grew up in New York City, I knew plenty of people that were gay, but like, this thing was not a, it was not a thing. 1.00

00:15:57.000 That it could somehow manifest and be, A, such a big part of a conversation, still an incredibly seemingly small group as it relates to, you know, per capita of society, and yet it does feel like there's an incredible amount of undue influence.

00:16:14.000 Like, I feel like the trans mafia is probably, you know, per capita the strongest lobbying group in America. 0.97

00:16:22.000 They can do no wrong.

00:16:24.000 They are beyond reproach.

00:16:26.000 You can't question them.

00:16:27.000 You know, it doesn't make any sense that they got that much power as well.

00:16:34.000 Yeah, and it is very disturbing when you see the messaging that some of these groups use that's made its way all the way to the Biden White House.

00:16:45.000 The way they talk about these issues, like I was saying before, is all euphemisms.

00:16:49.000 But when you have messaging coming from the President of the United States saying that gender-affirming care, the trans surgeries, hormones, and puberty blockers, is vital to trans youth, so effectively saying if trans youth

00:17:03.000 These young people who think they're trans don't get access to this stuff.

00:17:06.000 They might commit suicide. 0.82

00:17:08.000 That's coming from the White House? 0.99

00:17:09.000 Yeah.

00:17:10.000 It's all based on- Yeah, I'm sure an 80-year-old, uh, you know, geriatric Catholic is- I'm sure it's really an issue that's him. 0.79

00:17:19.000 So, you know, where is it then coming from though, right?

00:17:21.000 I mean, it is coming from the White House, but like-

00:17:24.000 No one believes that Joe Biden thinks that this is actually a real thing.

00:17:27.000 Now, he'll say whatever they put in the teleprompter.

00:17:30.000 I mean, he's basically Ron Burgundy, right?

00:17:31.000 You put it in the prompter, he'll say it.

00:17:33.000 But where else is this coming from that it does get to that level where it is coming from the White House, where it is on display at the White House Easter egg roll?

00:17:43.000 You know, the people that are bringing decency back to the White House have, you know, trans women showing their, you know, 0.50

00:17:52.000 Whatever. 0.89

00:17:52.000 They're privates on the lawn of the White House during the White House Easter Egg Roll. 0.89

00:17:58.000 Man, that's got to come from some powerful places.

00:18:00.000 It is.

00:18:01.000 It's coming from the Human Rights Campaign, the HRC.

00:18:03.000 It's coming from the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union.

00:18:07.000 It's coming from GLAAD, which is an acronym that starts with the gay and lesbian, and then I don't even know where it goes because it's such a long acronym.

00:18:14.000 But these are some of the top pro-trans groups in the country.

00:18:17.000 That for a very long time have been trying to wield their influence in different ways.

00:18:23.000 And I remember, you know, I mean, I haven't been writing for too long, but I do remember a point when there were conservative commentators saying, watch out, this is going to come for kids next.

00:18:32.000 This has been the plan all along.

00:18:35.000 And people were like, no, it would never get that bad.

00:18:37.000 Like that would be insane.

00:18:38.000 That would be so radical.

00:18:39.000 Well, it was the plan all along and now we're seeing it playing out.

00:18:43.000 And we got hints of this along the way, you know, for example, Planned Parenthood,

00:18:47.000 That's a great question.

00:19:12.000 Planned Parenthood is involved in this as well.

00:19:14.000 And it's these very radical, high profile groups that have been working to change our culture and change our politics.

00:19:23.000 But thankfully, like I was saying before, Americans aren't on board with this.

00:19:27.000 So something that I try and do in my reporting is to show the realities of how radical these things are, because I think it helps people understand the real situation.

00:19:36.000 If they know this is radical, they're not going to want to support it.

00:19:39.000 But if they're only getting news from organizations

00:19:42.000 Funded by these radical groups who are taking their talking points from these radical groups, then they're not going to understand what's actually going on.

00:19:49.000 Yeah, and I feel like I see it when I talk about sort of, you know, the men playing in women's sports.

00:19:56.000 And, you know, I've been talking about that for years and probably seven, eight years since it became like a thing when they started winning state championships and stealing, you know, proper biological females, you know, their scholarships.

00:20:05.000 You know, I've got daughters that are great athletes and I'm like, this is ridiculous.

00:20:08.000 And even like,

00:20:10.000 You know, five years ago, like, Twitter 1.0, when it was just 95-5, like, ultra-liberal, people, you know, I'd comment on it, and people were like, oh, I hate Don Jr. 0.99

00:20:19.000 so much, you're such a piece of crap, but I agree with him on this one. 0.69

00:20:24.000 You know, it's not actually at all popular. 1.00

00:20:28.000 You know, they still do it, but what's scary now is they're trying to come up with, to your point about, you know, the hormone treatment, that Planned Parenthood, they're trying to figure out ways to carve parents out of it, you know?

00:20:39.000 You know, rainbow-haired, you know, kindergarten teacher, you know, can have that kind of influence, but your parents can't.

00:20:46.000 You know, I know in Canada, I was just up in Toronto, you know, a week or two ago, and they're literally talking about, like, making it criminal if parents don't acknowledge the pronouns of their kids that, you know, could it be?

00:20:56.000 You know, the most impressionable group, the most easily brainwashed, you know, in society, you know, their teacher can do this and the parents are literally at penalty of going to jail for just not acknowledging this nonsense.

00:21:10.000 I mean, that's very real and it's happening and it doesn't feel like we're far behind.

00:21:13.000 They're trying...

00:21:14.000 You know, what would parents have to say about this?

00:21:16.000 Like, well, you know, a parent would go to get in serious trouble if those kids were drinking at home.

00:21:21.000 Uh, you know, they couldn't do that for another 15 years versus, you know, at three years old.

00:21:25.000 They can't buy a pack of cigarettes, but, but we can alter their lives. 0.66

00:21:28.000 We can mutilate their bodies.

00:21:29.000 Parents can have no control.

00:21:31.000 You know, when do parents say enough is enough?

00:21:33.000 You know, again, I understand it's not easy to go up against these machines, you know, but like, it shouldn't take a genius to realize that, you know, hey, this is not like a 51, 49% issue, like 90% of politics.

00:21:47.000 It's probably like 90, 90, 10, 95, 5.

00:21:52.000 And if people actually started speaking out about it, you probably end this nonsense once and for all.

00:21:58.000 Right, and I think parents need to be empowered with statistics and facts to be able to talk about this, which is part of the reason I wrote the book, because I just wanted to give them stories to talk about.

00:22:07.000 But I totally agree with what you're saying about the way parents are being cut out.

00:22:12.000 I was in Colorado recently speaking to some parents at a gender summit where they are really under fire out there.

00:22:18.000 Colorado and Vermont and California are some of the worst states in the country right now when it comes to gender ideology. 0.98

00:22:24.000 And these parents came to the summit looking for tips and help, and I was telling them, you are considered the enemy right now.

00:22:30.000 Like, you are public enemy number one.

00:22:32.000 If your kids are in public school, the idea is to keep you from knowing what they're teaching your kids about.

00:22:37.000 And I see this all the time.

00:22:39.000 I'm working on a story right now about a state that is empowering local officials and homeless shelters to take kids from their parents.

00:22:47.000 Just wild stuff.

00:22:49.000 Was that Washington or Wisconsin?

00:22:51.000 I read about some of these.

00:22:53.000 And again, it's not like it's a radical fringe group that's doing this.

00:22:58.000 This is something that's voted on by 100% of the Democrats in some of these state legislatures.

00:23:04.000 It's real.

00:23:05.000 It's happening.

00:23:07.000 Again, we sort of think of it, and they try to play it off like, no, no, no.

00:23:10.000 It's someone crazy talking about that.

00:23:12.000 I think it was Washington state was one of them.

00:23:12.000 It's like, no, no, no.

00:23:15.000 And it was like 100% of the Democrats voted to basically take children away from their parents who didn't go along with this nonsense.

00:23:22.000 It's so scary.

00:23:23.000 And then in Washington, all our lawmakers who are here, many of the Democrats here support these kinds of laws, restrictions.

00:23:32.000 They support these kinds of policies.

00:23:34.000 I don't know how much thought they're putting into them, but at the end of the day, if they're supporting them, then that's that, right?

00:23:40.000 That's still going to

00:23:41.000 Impact our country in really serious ways.

00:23:44.000 But I think since COVID, you've really seen parents becoming more tuned into their kids' education, parents more aware of what their kids have been taught, more involved in what's going on.

00:23:55.000 And that's a really hopeful sign for our culture.

00:23:57.000 I mean, you even saw in Loudoun County that one dad that got arrested when he was pushing back over his daughter getting raped in a high school locker room by a

00:24:06.000 Boy that identified as non-binary, I think.

00:24:10.000 And you're seeing more and more parents who are willing to take a stand.

00:24:13.000 And I think that's so important because obviously it's hard to, it's hard if you're not part of politics to step in, take a stand, make it clear that you're on a certain side.

00:24:23.000 You're going to lose friends.

00:24:23.000 You're going to make enemies.

00:24:25.000 But that's what some people are being called to do.

00:24:27.000 And I think, you know, we often talk about that phrase.

00:24:30.000 What is it?

00:24:30.000 Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times,

00:24:34.000 We're good to go.

00:24:48.000 Yeah, no, I definitely see that.

00:24:50.000 You know, things that would have gotten you canceled.

00:24:52.000 Even phraseology.

00:24:53.000 Stuff that was, you know, just common vernacular.

00:24:56.000 You know, when I was in high school and college, it was like, that was like verboten.

00:25:00.000 You know, you couldn't say that, you'd get canceled.

00:25:02.000 And it's coming back.

00:25:03.000 People don't care anymore. 1.00

00:25:04.000 They're like, you know, this is bullshit. 1.00

00:25:06.000 And it's true. 1.00

00:25:07.000 I mean, that Loudoun County example was a great one.

00:25:09.000 Like, they wanted to cover up the rape of a young girl

00:25:14.000 Because it would be bad for gender-affirming care. 1.00

00:25:18.000 Are you guys sociopaths? 0.88

00:25:22.000 And like I said, people see that and it's like, enough.

00:25:24.000 I think the teachers' unions probably did themselves the worst favor ever by locking down schools because parents are walking by as their kids are doing online learning and being like, wait, wait.

00:25:35.000 You can't read, you can't do math, but you know the 4,000 genders. 0.98

00:25:38.000 Like, what is going on here?

00:25:40.000 I saw that, you know, I had a, you know, before we moved down to Florida, I had a, you know, a kid in a school and there was a one-hour class a day.

00:25:50.000 Some of her older friends, luckily she wasn't in there yet, didn't get there, but we, you know, knew parents in the older classes.

00:25:56.000 They pulled their kids from school because there was a one-hour class on the trans nonsense every day. 0.97

00:26:02.000 Every day!

00:26:02.000 But it was the only class that didn't have any homework.

00:26:05.000 We're good.

00:26:05.000 Because they didn't want anyone talking about it.

00:26:08.000 So they were indoctrinating their children, but they were wanting to make sure it was away from the parents.

00:26:12.000 Luckily, you know, one of the parents was a friend, like, tough sort of Eastern European woman, like, you know, the mom. 0.99

00:26:16.000 And she was like, uh, this is BS.

00:26:19.000 And she went and sort of approached the school. 0.75

00:26:22.000 And they were like, oh, well, you must be, you know, racist and transphobic and, you know, all the usual.

00:26:26.000 She was like, you're the only parent that's actually complained about it.

00:26:29.000 She goes, that's nonsense, because I've spoken to every single parent.

00:26:32.000 None of them knew.

00:26:33.000 And once they did, they were outraged. 0.99

00:26:35.000 And so they tried to still, even if they knew what was wrong, even if everyone was against it, and this is a school where, you know, an elementary school education was costing like 60 grand a kid, they were still jamming that crap down our throat. 0.90

00:26:47.000 So it's not just happening in the public schools or... 0.69

00:26:49.000 You know, so it was scary, but again, still not popular.

00:26:55.000 But it takes that personality to be like, hey, maybe I won't be liked at the PTA meeting, but like, you know what?

00:27:00.000 My child's welfare, their well-being, their future is like worth it.

00:27:04.000 Like I'm not there to make friends.

00:27:06.000 I think we got to break a couple eggs to make a cake, you know?

00:27:09.000 It's inspiring people to be warriors, I think, which is, which is really awesome and to take matters into their own hands.

00:27:15.000 And you've seen a huge spike in homeschooling, which I'm a former homeschooler myself.

00:27:19.000 I'm so grateful to my mom for homeschooling me.

00:27:22.000 And that has been really interesting to me because it used to be considered this very like quirky, weird thing for people to do.

00:27:29.000 If you can get the sports and some of the socialization in, which I do think are important.

00:27:33.000 Yeah.

00:27:33.000 You know, if you can get that in, like, I think literally the number one thing we can do for our children is to get them out of these, you know... Absolutely.

00:27:41.000 In many cases, it's private schools, but, or public schools, but, you know, also some of the private schools.

00:27:46.000 But, so, Mary, how did you go about researching this book?

00:27:48.000 How do you, how do you sort of, you know, go down the rabbit hole in there to get these stories?

00:27:53.000 I talked to so many detransitioners for this book, and I had already been interviewing some of them.

00:27:57.000 I had been doing a lot of different stories over the past couple of years because I care about this issue a lot, and like I was saying, I couldn't see establishment media doing any real reporting on it.

00:28:08.000 Instead, they're highlighting stories about trans youth and, you know, so-called trans youth because I don't actually believe that a young person can truly be transgender.

00:28:18.000 I was looking for more stories and I was talking to different people online.

00:28:22.000 Some of these detransitioners didn't want to talk to me because I work for conservative news outlets. 1.00

00:28:26.000 I've worked for Daily Signal, Daily Caller, Daily Wire.

00:28:29.000 You know, it's very clear that I'm a conservative reporter.

00:28:32.000 And I would respect that.

00:28:33.000 If they didn't want to talk to me, I get it.

00:28:36.000 But I kept trying and finding other people who would be willing to share their stories with me.

00:28:40.000 And I really am grateful to them for that because a lot of these detransitioners are not political. 1.00

00:28:46.000 They don't really care about Republican or Democrat.

00:28:48.000 They're kind of focused on what they've been going through.

00:28:51.000 But their only allies thus far have been in conservative media because conservative media is interested in the truth, which is what all media should be interested in.

00:29:01.000 Our establishment media has no interest in that.

00:29:05.000 They are interested in promoting one certain narrative.

00:29:08.000 And so as I would talk to these detransitioners, you know, we would learn more things and I would be, for example, I would ask them, what high school did you go to? 1.00

00:29:16.000 What was the name of your counselor who told you that you were a boy?

00:29:20.000 And I would go look up the school and find the counselor and reach out and call and say, hey, I'm working on a book.

00:29:25.000 Can you elaborate on why you told this young person that they were a boy and push them down this path?

00:29:31.000 And of course, those types of people would freak out.

00:29:33.000 They didn't want to talk to me.

00:29:34.000 They were terrified that this was coming up.

00:29:36.000 But I think it's an important part of the process is to call up those people that did this to these kids and say, this person's life has been traumatically impacted by you.

00:29:46.000 You were part of this.

00:29:48.000 What made you decide to tell them to do this?

00:29:50.000 There was one guy that I called up.

00:29:53.000 He was the person that signed off on a little girl named Yalie.

00:29:57.000 Who is a teenager at the time he signed off on her transition.

00:30:01.000 Yaeli ultimately threw herself in front of a train.

00:30:04.000 Her body was so mangled that her mother had a hard time identifying her when she went to see the pieces on the train tracks.

00:30:11.000 That is how horrific her death was.

00:30:13.000 And this guy that I called, I believe his name was Browning, I called him up and I said, I would just like to talk about this girl's death because you signed off on her gender transition. 0.96

00:30:23.000 So tell me, what made you think she was okay to begin her transition?

00:30:28.000 And this guy couldn't even remember her.

00:30:31.000 He couldn't remember any details.

00:30:33.000 It's just, you know, it's just, oh yeah, ho-hum, let's just do this.

00:30:36.000 You know, that's like, I'm not for doxing and all of this stuff, but for these people, like, I consider this, you know, murder, attempted murder, if that happens and they push, you know, you jack up a kid on drugs.

00:30:46.000 You know, these people, it's got to be clear to everyone that, hey, these are the people that are doing that.

00:30:52.000 You know, they have no problem putting pressure on, you know, someone in the Trump administration because, you know, I guess,

00:30:57.000 You know, mean tweets or something?

00:30:58.000 You know, like, these people are destroying lives and they're doing it in such a nonchalant fashion just because it's cool and perhaps they get some social clout with all of it.

00:31:09.000 Like, I think you have to make these people, you know, make it known.

00:31:13.000 Oh, you believe it?

00:31:14.000 Okay, so justify it.

00:31:15.000 Sting and buy it. 0.97

00:31:16.000 When, you know, 90% of those people do it.

00:31:18.000 When you have five suicides under your belt from one school in time,

00:31:23.000 You know, I think people have to know and I think, you know, once they're not as comfortable just doing this in such a non-salon fashion, you know, things will change rapidly.

00:31:32.000 Very, very rapidly.

00:31:34.000 Totally agree, and I think that now that some of these detransitioners are suing, that's even more monumental because they're represented by Harmony Dillon, who has been so brave on this frontier, and she's representing Chloe Cole, a number of other detransitioners in suing the doctors, therapists, and medical organizations that did this to them.

00:31:53.000 And that is huge, you know, just to see... Go after the insurance companies, because once they're done paying for this stuff, because they understand there's an actual consequence to it,

00:32:03.000 It's not worth it.

00:32:06.000 This will change rather rapidly.

00:32:09.000 Absolutely.

00:32:10.000 And just, I think, for those people, the optics of the lawsuits are huge.

00:32:16.000 I mean, just knowing that you're being sued and accused of hurting a child, that's massive.

00:32:21.000 And that can't totally be ignored, right?

00:32:23.000 You can ignore the Daily Signal writing a story about you, like, sure.

00:32:27.000 But when there's a lawsuit and that is getting big media attention and it's specifically saying your medical organization's name or the doctor's name and what you did and how you told a little girl that she could actually give informed consent to getting her breasts removed and all of these other factors and the way the little girl hadn't even kissed anyone in her life before and yet you pushed her down this path.

00:32:50.000 Those are details that are going to be hard for them as they come out and those are news stories that they don't want to be out there.

00:32:57.000 So I think the lawsuits are a massive, huge development and I'm very excited to see how they go.

00:33:03.000 We'll be covering those more as well.

00:33:06.000 In general, calling the people out, I think, is very important and putting their names out there for everyone to see because if they're gonna play God and pretend that they have this much control over a child's life... Let's play!

00:33:17.000 Yeah.

00:33:19.000 Well, so, I mean, you know, get into that a little bit further.

00:33:22.000 Like, what are, like, I don't know, medical, you know, ethics or, you know, governing rules surrounding these procedures in the United States?

00:33:30.000 I mean, are there any safeguards or is it just sort of haphazard?

00:33:33.000 We throw people on hormones and deal with it?

00:33:35.000 They'll have you sign forms.

00:33:37.000 If you're a minor in some states, they'll have you go through your parents and what will happen is, for example, with Chloe Cole, she went through this process.

00:33:46.000 She met all these gender activists.

00:33:47.000 They tell her she's trans and she's like, okay, I want to go through with these surgeries. 1.00

00:33:52.000 I want to go on hormones.

00:33:53.000 So she goes to her parents because she's a minor and says, I want to do this.

00:33:57.000 Her parents, like pretty much every other American parent, are like, no, we don't want you to do this.

00:34:04.000 This doesn't sound like it's going to help you.

00:34:05.000 We know you've already been struggling with your mental health.

00:34:08.000 So they're against it.

00:34:09.000 And they think, we're going to talk to the professionals because they'll know what to do.

00:34:13.000 So, unfortunately, they go to these medical professionals, such as a counselor, a therapist, or the doctors, and what they are told is, your daughter needs to be affirmed or else she may commit suicide.

00:34:25.000 And they'll say, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?

00:34:28.000 And I think this is really important to talk about because, obviously, there are very evil people out there, narcissistic parents, who are transing their kids out of a desire to promote themselves.

00:34:37.000 We see that on Instagram.

00:34:39.000 You know, that's a different matter.

00:34:41.000 What I'm talking about here are your average parents who are not super politically tuned in.

00:34:47.000 They're not paying a ton of attention to the issue.

00:34:50.000 And when their suffering child is telling them, I'm gonna feel better if I'm a boy. 0.50

00:34:55.000 And the doctors are saying, if you don't trans your kid, she's going to commit suicide. 0.89

00:35:01.000 It's easy to see why they would agree and why they would go down that path, even though obviously, I strongly disagree with that.

00:35:07.000 And I think they should have done more research and helped themselves to be more

00:35:11.000 We're good to go.

00:35:30.000 Waking up from surgery after her double mastectomy and her parents were there because they loved her.

00:35:34.000 They wanted to help her.

00:35:36.000 So they drive her back to the hotel where she's going to recover from.

00:35:39.000 I think they picked up Chick-fil-A.

00:35:41.000 And just imagine that, you know, that post-surgery, those moments where she said her mom had to help her wash her wounds and how they both cried and how it was an emotional experience for both of them.

00:35:53.000 It just makes me so angry thinking about this poor mother thinking,

00:35:58.000 I don't know what to do here, but I'm told this is what's best for my daughter, and I'm gonna help her, and obviously it was a huge mistake.

00:36:05.000 And then down the line, the detransitioners, when they realize this was a huge mistake, they have to call up their parents and say, um, you were right. 0.89

00:36:14.000 I shouldn't have done any of this.

00:36:15.000 Yeah, it's not one of those you're happy with the I told you so, because it's so

00:36:19.000 Right.

00:36:20.000 It's so beyond that, you know what I mean?

00:36:21.000 Like, I love winning arguments, even if it's later.

00:36:24.000 This is one of those.

00:36:25.000 It's just so sad because, again, in so many cases, it's irreversible.

00:36:29.000 It's permanent damage.

00:36:32.000 You'll never be the same.

00:36:33.000 And you could be, you know, 20 years old only to discover that, you know, your life is gone forever.

00:36:40.000 You'll never be able to go back.

00:36:42.000 Yeah, and I think for the parents, too, it's kind of this realization moment of, I should have gone with my gut, but I didn't.

00:36:48.000 And I trusted these medical professionals.

00:36:50.000 And that, I think, is very radicalizing, because we already saw during COVID how we can't really trust our leaders and our medical professionals to do what's best for us.

00:37:00.000 And that was hard for many people to realize.

00:37:02.000 But then when you're getting into medicine and gender ideology and realizing these doctors that I'm supposed to be able to trust with my life

00:37:11.000 I don't know.

00:37:27.000 It's not going to work.

00:37:28.000 That's just not, it never will.

00:37:30.000 But that's what they tell them, that they tell them that it will work and it will function as if they were a guy.

00:37:35.000 That's just a fiction.

00:37:36.000 And it's not even a good one.

00:37:38.000 It's frankly kind of embarrassing that someone would believe that or that that lie would be sold to someone.

00:37:43.000 And there's a lot of that going on.

00:37:46.000 And so these medical professionals who are perpetrating these lies, you got to wonder, A, do you really believe this? 0.99

00:37:53.000 Because either you believe it and you're crazy, or you don't believe it and you're evil. 0.94

00:37:59.000 And I think we got a little bit of both going on. 0.94

00:38:01.000 Well, you saw a lot of that, you know, with COVID.

00:38:02.000 I mean, I have friends that are, you know, doctors and surgeons and super intelligent people that way.

00:38:07.000 And they're like, you know, hey, what do you think about the mask? 1.00

00:38:09.000 Well, it's bullshit. 1.00

00:38:10.000 I was like, why do you say that? 1.00

00:38:11.000 It's like, I'll lose my job.

00:38:12.000 Like, I'll literally get thrown out of the, you know, they're like, of course, like these, you know, just do the math.

00:38:18.000 This is what the mask says it blocks.

00:38:19.000 And this is what the virus is.

00:38:20.000 And when it's, you know, one, one hundredth the size of the holes in the mask, it's like, it's clearly not going to work.

00:38:27.000 Well, where did six feet come from?

00:38:29.000 Made up.

00:38:30.000 But, you know, did the virus start at the Wuhan lab?

00:38:33.000 Of course it did!

00:38:35.000 But why didn't you say that?

00:38:36.000 Hey, you know, I have a government grant for research.

00:38:39.000 Fauci controls that.

00:38:40.000 If I go against the narrative, you know, I'm thrown out.

00:38:42.000 So, you know, we're told to trust the science, but... 0.99

00:38:46.000 You don't need to be a scientist to realize that all of that stuff was bullshit. 0.98

00:38:49.000 I was calling it out at the time. 0.98

00:38:50.000 I get canceled, but for me, when I get canceled, there's a component of it that makes me bigger.

00:38:56.000 For the average parent, that's not the case.

00:39:00.000 Their entire social lives is around their kids and their schools.

00:39:05.000 You're going to get shunned by the other parents whose entire social stature

00:39:12.000 Sort of is based on the amount of virtue signaling that they're able to do.

00:39:16.000 It's pretty scary.

00:39:18.000 Yeah, I think Tucker Carlson has said, I'm a huge Tucker fan, but Tucker has said that when you speak the truth, every time you do it, it makes you stronger.

00:39:26.000 And that's what I was thinking when you were saying, you know, the more you get canceled now, maybe the bigger you are.

00:39:30.000 I don't care anymore, but I get it.

00:39:33.000 There's a consequence to being like me.

00:39:37.000 I got to a point where I built up a big enough platform, a diverse enough platform.

00:39:42.000 But you're a stay-at-home mom and you've got your 15 friends at school.

00:39:49.000 You're going to get ostracized by the cool kids for saying what's fact because they posted their black squares and they're incredibly virtuous even if they're literally perhaps the most basic 0.99

00:40:01.000 You know, full of crap people in the world. 0.99

00:40:03.000 You know, I get it. 0.99

00:40:04.000 It's not easy.

00:40:05.000 I've, hey, you know, I've had to deal with a lot of stuff, you know, whether it's lawsuits or them trying to throw me in jail or being canceled.

00:40:12.000 Like, I've had to deal with all of that.

00:40:13.000 You get through it and it's good, but I understand how, you know, that's not for everyone.

00:40:16.000 Not everyone can take that heat all the time.

00:40:19.000 No, and I think there's small ways that people can start.

00:40:21.000 And that's part of the reason I wrote this book and the way I did.

00:40:24.000 It's not commentary.

00:40:26.000 It's really their stories.

00:40:27.000 And my hope in doing that was so that your average person could read it and think, okay, maybe I'm not Republican, or maybe I don't agree with this law banning so-called gender-affirming care.

00:40:38.000 I don't think so.

00:40:53.000 Yeah, or run for her school board. 0.95

00:41:13.000 You know, I mean, everyone can take a different role.

00:41:15.000 I mean, and you've done a great job with this.

00:41:16.000 I mean, you've covered some pretty controversial things.

00:41:20.000 You covered, you know, the BLM riots from a conservative standpoint, not, you know, again, it probably didn't take a genius to say that, you know, people looting a Gucci store was probably not

00:41:31.000 Actually, in the name of social justice.

00:41:33.000 I know that's a stretch.

00:41:35.000 I know that's a stretch, but you did some of the pro-abortion demonstrations after the Dobbs decision.

00:41:42.000 Now we see the anti-Israel protests on campus.

00:41:46.000 What parallels do you see in all of these sort of left-wing movements on race, gender, abortion, etc.?

00:41:52.000 I mean, it does feel like there's sort of an underlying purpose behind all of it, and it's probably not a good one.

00:41:59.000 Yeah, I mean, I have covered a lot of protests, and I will say, aside from the BLM protests, which were a whole other animal, and were, I would say, more dangerous and more destructive and just had more cultural impact than the other protests I've been to, the trans protests, abortion protests, Israel protests, you see all the same people at those.

00:42:19.000 It's really weird.

00:42:20.000 It's like the same actors that come out.

00:42:22.000 Yeah, well, the Palestine ones, when they can't spell Palestine, and they're, like, you hear them, you start questioning, and be like, listen, hey, if I'm gonna go out of my way and protest, I'm gonna have a basic fundamental understanding of why I'm there, but you ask them the... So what does from the river to the sea mean?

00:42:37.000 Uh...

00:42:38.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:42:39.000 You're chanting it.

00:42:40.000 You think you understand what it actually means, but it actually feels like it's the most inorganic form of protest.

00:42:51.000 It's like, hey, there's a site, and you go get paid a couple bucks an hour to go protest there, and it's easier than working a real job.

00:42:57.000 Yeah, there are activist groups that are rounding everybody up to go out.

00:43:00.000 I mean, here in D.C., which is pretty tame, I think, in terms of those pro-Hamas or pro-Palestine protests, there were groups called Students for Justice in Palestine that have been organizing all over the country.

00:43:12.000 They were really getting people out there.

00:43:15.000 But I think you're seeing, too, the elements that go out and protest are the more radical factions of their organizations or those movements.

00:43:26.000 I love going to the Women's March and covering the Women's March and showing what these people actually think.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 One time I went and asked, who do you think is more dangerous, the Taliban or Texas Republicans?

00:43:39.000 And all these women are telling me that the Taliban is less dangerous than Texas Republicans. 0.92

00:43:45.000 Another time I went and asked them, what's the most dangerous thing about Amy Coney Barrett?

00:43:49.000 Because I wanted to know.

00:43:49.000 It was during her nomination process to the Supreme Court.

00:43:52.000 They were all,

00:43:53.000 So angry that she had seven kids, that she was Catholic. 1.00

00:43:57.000 They said those things were disqualifying.

00:43:59.000 And I think that's a really interesting way to cover these protests is to go and show what people actually think there, because that's not in line with what Americans think.

00:44:08.000 So, you know, your average American housewife might be like, oh, the Women's March is great. 1.00

00:44:11.000 It's very pro-women. 0.81

00:44:12.000 No, it's actually very insane and radical.

00:44:15.000 And the kinds of sentiments they're embracing there are not what you agree with.

00:44:20.000 And I think it's good to show people that.

00:44:22.000 I think so.

00:44:38.000 Violate the law in their protesting have been treated has obviously been very different depending on what political faction they're with.

00:44:46.000 We've seen this week I believe there were seven pro-life activists who have been sentenced to prison time just for trying to get in the way of someone who was seeking an abortion.

00:44:57.000 And those are people who believe obviously that they're praying they're not like physically assaulting anyone like you know.

00:45:03.000 No they're not.

00:45:03.000 But if it was the other way around it's like

00:45:06.000 Oh, that's OK.

00:45:06.000 It's different.

00:45:07.000 You know, you know, the equal justice under the law is really scary right now.

00:45:11.000 It's insanely scary.

00:45:13.000 And in D.C., for example, if you commit a violent crime, you might be let back out onto the streets ASAP.

00:45:17.000 But God forbid you try and stop someone from aborting a baby.

00:45:20.000 You're going to go to jail for five years as Lauren Handy is.

00:45:24.000 All right.

00:45:24.000 So that that is very scary to me.

00:45:27.000 And seeing the way the different protesters are treated as a.

00:45:33.000 on the ground is also very disturbing just to be there.

00:45:38.000 Well, I appreciate the work that you're doing out there, Mary Margaret.

00:45:41.000 I mean, it's a big deal.

00:45:43.000 Someone has to actually be on those front lines.

00:45:45.000 You are there.

00:45:46.000 You're doing the controversial stuff.

00:45:47.000 So much of the mainstream is not covering it.

00:45:49.000 So thanks for doing that.

00:45:50.000 Let everyone know where they can follow you, where they can find you on social, and where they can find the book.

00:45:55.000 Because again, the more we get this stuff out there, the more the messaging is heard, the faster I think people realize that the vast majority of Americans are going to be with them.

00:46:05.000 Once it gets easier,

00:46:07.000 More people, you know, jump on the bandwagon.

00:46:09.000 You're just the leading edge, you know, of that catalyst.

00:46:13.000 Well, thank you so much.

00:46:14.000 And you can find the book on Amazon.

00:46:16.000 It's D-Tran's True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult. 0.82

00:46:19.000 You can find my reporting at DailySignal.com or follow me on Twitter at Mary Marg Olihan.

00:46:24.000 I tweet my stories and about politics and you can catch me there.

00:46:29.000 Very nice.

00:46:30.000 Thank you so much for being here, and guys, check out the book, and we'll definitely have to have you on because I have a feeling this nonsense isn't just going away magically.

00:46:38.000 We're gonna have to keep fighting to make it go away, but, you know, I think if we do that right, we will make it happen.

00:46:43.000 Well, thank you so much for having me.

00:46:44.000 This was wonderful.

00:46:45.000 Thanks.

00:46:47.000 Well, guys, we talk about it all the time.

00:46:48.000 The need to protect your financial health.

00:46:50.000 And you can do it with the Birch Gold Group by texting Don Jr, D-O-N-J-R, to the number 989898.

00:46:55.000 That's Don Jr to the number 989898.

00:46:56.000 But joining me now

00:47:03.000 Is Philip Patrick of the Birch Gold Group, and, you know, Philip, I'd like to just get a little bit of an update on what's happening right now with inflation, because obviously, that's so critical to, you know, people really losing their net worth, even if it feels like they're doing well.

00:47:18.000 What's the latest going on there?

00:47:21.000 Yeah, so we saw the latest numbers come out yesterday.

00:47:25.000 We saw a slight reprieve with April CPI numbers coming in slightly lower.

00:47:31.000 It was a 0.1% reduction, now at 3.4%.

00:47:35.000 But this is on the back of a nasty re-acceleration of inflation over the last six months.

00:47:41.000 Concerningly, the Producer Price Index numbers came out on Tuesday and they paint a very different picture.

00:47:48.000 They were up 0.5% for April.

00:47:51.000 Now, the PPI is a very important index to look at because it measures manufacturer costs and is a leading indicator of rising retail prices in the future, usually 6 to 12 months to follow.

00:48:05.000 Annualized first quarter data shows a 7.8% rise

00:48:09.000 In costs, which essentially means higher prices at store shelves near us soon.

00:48:16.000 Well, when the Fed raises interest rates, you know, the cost of credit rises across the board, mortgages, credit cards, even, obviously, federal government debt, which only goes to, you know, rack up, you know, that $34 trillion score a little bit more.

00:48:30.000 I saw a shocking statistic, I guess it was like last week, that 17% of federal government spending goes to debt service payments right now, just to cover the debt, right?

00:48:39.000 It doesn't actually get us anything, just pays for all the nonsense.

00:48:44.000 How does that affect,

00:48:46.000 The dollar's value right now.

00:48:59.000 Deficits like this, debt service payments like this, have a dramatic effect on the dollar's value.

00:49:04.000 We've got to remember, when federal government debt comes due, Janet Yellen's not paying the bill, right?

00:49:10.000 What she's doing is... The printers go whir! 0.92

00:49:12.000 Exactly, right?

00:49:13.000 We're rolling over old loans into new loans, and it's happening at much higher interest rates.

00:49:19.000 And if you look at the logistics of the arrangement, it resembles almost a pyramid scheme.

00:49:24.000 Higher rates means

00:49:25.000 More spending, which means bigger budget deficits, which means more spending, which just ultimately inflates the supply of dollars.

00:49:34.000 And every new IOU that we create pushes the dollar value down and essentially creates this negative self-reinforcing feedback loop.

00:49:44.000 And it just wrecks the value of the dollar.

00:49:46.000 And it's showing us it's working against the Fed's attempts to get inflation under control.

00:49:52.000 So it's becoming a disaster.

00:49:54.000 Well, I mean, it seems like they're really projecting, you know, sending that sort of hire for longer message coming from the Fed.

00:50:00.000 Like, you know, rates are going to stay this way.

00:50:02.000 They're not coming down anytime soon.

00:50:03.000 You know, that's kind of scary because you see it.

00:50:05.000 I read a statistic like 43% of small businesses aren't going to make rent this month.

00:50:10.000 Like, that's disastrous.

00:50:12.000 What's your take?

00:50:14.000 It's absolutely disastrous.

00:50:16.000 And the Fed have got themselves into a very tough position.

00:50:19.000 They were trying to get political this year, suggesting they were going to lower rates for an election year.

00:50:24.000 And of course, we saw six months of inflation booming, and it's restricted their ability to do that.

00:50:30.000 But they put themselves in a tight spot.

00:50:32.000 Like I said, two decades of artificially suppressed interest rates have essentially created economy.

00:50:38.000 Yeah.

00:50:51.000 historic long-term average.

00:50:53.000 But I think the real problem here is that the nation is so deep in debt, raising interest rates any further simply accelerates that destructive feedback loop that we talked about and ultimately just wrecks the dollar's purchasing power.

00:51:08.000 So we need more drastic moves, right?

00:51:10.000 We need to cut this deficit spending and look at how we're going to pay down that debt if we ever want the dollar to sustain as global reserve longer term.

00:51:21.000 So why gold?

00:51:22.000 What are going to be the benefits there for the people watching so they understand it and they can then educate themselves?

00:51:28.000 Obviously, text Don Jr.

00:51:29.000 to 989898.

00:51:31.000 Learn, educate yourself.

00:51:34.000 People will take you through it at Birch, but what are your thoughts on that?

00:51:37.000 What are the benefits there for the average consumer looking to diversify?

00:51:41.000 Look, you know, we're seeing global demand for gold, 2022, 2023, now first quarter of 2024, at all time highs.

00:51:51.000 Central banks around the world are buying gold at record levels.

00:51:54.000 And it's for the same reasons that we're discussing here, right?

00:51:58.000 We have an administration that's hell bent on spending, you know, beyond our means.

00:52:04.000 We're pushing the dollar's value down and we're incentivizing nations around the world to start seeking alternatives.

00:52:12.000 That's where gold comes in as the dollar goes down in value.

00:52:15.000 It goes up as inflation rises.

00:52:18.000 It goes up.

00:52:19.000 So it helps central governments preserve buying power.

00:52:22.000 And what applies to them, of course, applies to us as individuals, just at a much smaller scale.

00:52:29.000 What you said, I think, was very important.

00:52:30.000 It's all about education.

00:52:33.000 We encourage people.

00:52:34.000 That's what we're big at at Birch.

00:52:35.000 Get the information.

00:52:37.000 Start there.

00:52:38.000 And if it piques your interest, go further.

00:52:40.000 But you've got to get informed.

00:52:42.000 And now's the time.

00:52:44.000 Well, Philip, thank you very much.

00:52:45.000 You know, obviously, we'll keep talking about this, guys, because it is important.

00:52:48.000 It is relevant.

00:52:48.000 You're watching your purchasing power sort of slip away, and there are hedges for that.

00:52:54.000 But, you know, text Don Jr.

00:52:56.000 to the number 989898.

00:52:56.000 Learn more.

00:52:59.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:53:02.000 It's an honor.

00:53:26.000 Guys, joining me now, the author of the new book, Unprotected Class, Claremont Institute Fellow, Jeremy Carl.

00:53:33.000 Jeremy, thank you for being here.

00:53:35.000 We really appreciate it.

00:53:37.000 Thanks so much, Don.

00:53:37.000 It's a pleasure to be on.

00:53:39.000 So, you know, I talk about this stuff all the time, but, you know, this book has a pretty provocative title.

00:53:44.000 It's called Unprotected Class, How Anti-White Racism is Tearing America Apart.

00:53:50.000 I think it's actually quite real.

00:53:51.000 We hear about it weekly in the halls of Congress. 0.92

00:53:55.000 Yeah, I guess it was what, Ayanna Pressley last week, you know, talking about, you know, how she hates, you know, white people failing up and especially white men.

00:54:03.000 You know, how are you trying to talk

00:54:06.000 About, you know, this challenging issue to a mainstream audience.

00:54:10.000 And what do you want readers to understand about what's actually going on in there?

00:54:15.000 Yeah, I mean, I try to really just lay out the facts.

00:54:18.000 I mean, it was one of the things we actually did in the editing process.

00:54:21.000 I mean, it wasn't a particularly overwrought book in terms of, you know, using lots of provocative language in the first place.

00:54:28.000 But really, when we did it, we just said, look,

00:54:30.000 The facts here are enough that we don't need to embellish them with a bunch of crazed rhetoric or anything like that.

00:54:36.000 We can just lay out what's going on and that'll be that'll be persuasive.

00:54:41.000 And, you know, I think that really worked.

00:54:42.000 I mean, I was very fortunate to get endorsements from folks like Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk and Peter Kirstenau, the longest serving member of the U.S.

00:54:50.000 Commission on Civil Rights.

00:54:51.000 So I think we I managed to talk about this issue.

00:54:55.000 Which is a provocative issue in a way that I think a normal everyday person can understand and make sense of.

00:55:01.000 Listen, I think it's an important one.

00:55:02.000 I mean, if you look at, like, sort of my live feed right now, or candidly on any show, it is a topic.

00:55:09.000 I mean, I know I talk about it with, like, my sons, oftentimes sort of in a joking way, but it's like, hey man, like, if you're a straight white man with the last name Trump, like, you better turn trans really quickly or you're gonna, you know, like... 0.53

00:55:21.000 It is not that much of a level playing field for you right now.

00:55:25.000 What are some of the inflection points in our country that it became so normal to attack Americans, to have sort of this governmental

00:55:38.000 Sanctioned, uh, you know, racism against, uh, you know, certain classes.

00:55:44.000 Uh, you know, we see it in admissions to, you know, medical schools, you know, with Asians being discriminated against, probably, you know, you know, other groups as well, but, you know, also those certain groups being just artificially boosted.

00:55:56.000 Like, if you look at them side by side, it ain't even close, and yet it's happening.

00:56:00.000 We see it across, uh, you know, the federal government in the process of getting government grants and hiring.

00:56:06.000 You know, what stands out the most to you?

00:56:08.000 Yeah, I don't know that, Don, that there's any one particular thing that you can point to.

00:56:12.000 I think there's a few different things that kind of happened.

00:56:17.000 I think affirmative action and so-called disparate impact, which started happening in the early 70s, were when we really had

00:56:24.000 A sharp divergence from civil rights as being anything like equality.

00:56:28.000 So I think affirmative action people have a pretty good sense of what that is.

00:56:32.000 Disparate impact, a little bit less, but it's almost just as important.

00:56:36.000 That comes out of a Supreme Court ruling called Griggs versus Duke Power in 1971.

00:56:41.000 And what it basically says, to kind of oversimplify, is that

00:56:45.000 Even if you have an employment process, even if there's no intent to discriminate, but you kind of wind up with numbers at the end of that that aren't pretty equal to the population in question by race or gender or whatever it is, you can be accused of having a disparate impact against a group and you can be held liable for that.

00:57:05.000 And so what happens, and obviously I know you've run a business, you probably had to deal with this, you know, is that

00:57:12.000 To not run afoul of this, they end up discriminating against white people or whoever else, whatever group is kind of advantaged in that process.

00:57:20.000 And that has kind of just run amok.

00:57:22.000 And then I think there were sort of more informal things in the culture where we kind of moved.

00:57:27.000 I grew up in the 80s and 90s to a degree.

00:57:31.000 Things were just much better and more informal when I talked to a lot of these younger Zoomers and folks like that. 1.00

00:57:36.000 I kind of have to tell them, you know, it wasn't really always quite this toxic and terrible as it's really become, unfortunately.

00:57:43.000 Yeah.

00:57:43.000 No, I mean, and you see that, you know, again, not just, you know, business, but having done business, you know, there's businesses that sort of lend itself to certain things, right?

00:57:50.000 I mean, you know, people are like, well, there's not enough women in construction. 1.00

00:57:53.000 I'm like,

00:57:54.000 You know, they may be 51% of the population, but like it just doesn't, it's just not the case.

00:58:01.000 And so to try to equalize those things doesn't make sense, probably hurts productivity.

00:58:05.000 It's just, it's just reality, right?

00:58:08.000 There's, there's probably, you know, jobs.

00:58:10.000 I know there's, you know, all the DEI stuff you see going on at the airlines these days.

00:58:14.000 So, you know,

00:58:15.000 We want to make sure we're 50% diverse.

00:58:17.000 It's like, well, A, it's not even close to our population, but, you know, I don't know.

00:58:20.000 Maybe there's something about guys that wanted to be pilots that just lend itself that way.

00:58:24.000 Like, I don't care if the pilot is blue, green, you know, white, black.

00:58:28.000 It makes no difference to me.

00:58:29.000 I want the best pilot, but we're no longer getting that.

00:58:33.000 No, I mean, you want a pilot who can land the plane.

00:58:33.000 Right.

00:58:35.000 And I think pretty much if you surveyed anybody, regardless of race, they would say that.

00:58:40.000 And that's kind of the interesting thing, Don, that you see is even in a left-wing state like California, in the same time that Joe Biden was taken 63% there, an affirmative action resolution, a ballot initiative was defeated there.

00:58:55.000 Because I think people like the average American doesn't really want to

00:58:59.000 Yeah, why is that?

00:59:00.000 It does seem like it actually comes from

00:59:17.000 More than anyone, some of those sort of the liberal white elites.

00:59:21.000 Is it virtue signaling, like so many things?

00:59:23.000 Again, I used the example earlier in the interview with Mary.

00:59:28.000 The people who posted their black squares, their entire social standing is on their virtue signaling, but they're also the most basic people in the world.

00:59:38.000 They don't actually believe any of these things, but there's such social clout that comes with doing the nonsense that they're happy to do it and just fall in line. 0.56

00:59:48.000 You know, be a pawn.

00:59:50.000 Yeah, I think that's exactly right.

00:59:51.000 I mean, you've hit on one of the two things that I think drives this among white elites.

00:59:55.000 Part of it is status signaling, virtue signaling.

00:59:58.000 I think, you know, again, if you're truly in the elite, you also have ways.

01:00:01.000 Your dad talked about this from his first campaign.

01:00:03.000 He's like, I know how corrupt the system is because I was a participant in it.

01:00:07.000 Right.

01:00:07.000 Yeah.

01:00:07.000 I think it's I mean, if you're really in that elite, you have ways to get around

01:00:13.000 You know, an anti-white policy in a way that an average white person really doesn't, and a middle class white person.

01:00:20.000 And so it can be a way of sort of showing your virtue, also showing your power, because it's like, yeah, I can go say I've got white privilege, because I'm going to be fine anyway, right?

01:00:28.000 Whereas your average construction worker, who's not actually, of course, have white privilege at all anyway.

01:00:33.000 They don't have that luxury.

01:00:35.000 So I think that's thing one.

01:00:36.000 Thing number two is a little bit more psychological, which is we have general social survey data in social science.

01:00:43.000 And so this is not kind of like politically partisan stuff.

01:00:48.000 It's just nonpartisan surveys.

01:00:51.000 And one of the things we find is that all groups have what we would call an in-group preference.

01:00:54.000 So black people tend to like black people a little more, Asian people, Asian people a little more, white people, white people a little more, et cetera.

01:01:01.000 Conservatives a little bit more in group preference than liberals, but nothing that like really stands out either by race or...

01:01:08.000 Ideology, it's kind of what you'd expect.

01:01:09.000 And within reason, there's nothing wrong with that.

01:01:12.000 Just like I prefer my mother to some random woman on the street, right? 1.00

01:01:15.000 Like, but there's one exception to this.

01:01:18.000 And that exception is liberal whites. 0.98

01:01:20.000 Liberal whites, and I haven't seen this even in any other country, when you survey them, they have what's called an outgroup preference, which is they think that whites, on average, when you survey them, are dumber, more criminal, you kind of go down the line. 0.98

01:01:33.000 And I think it just sort of speaks to 0.98

01:01:35.000 Real psychological problems. 0.98

01:01:37.000 And you do actually also perceive, you know, in surveys, much more mental illness in white liberals. 0.95

01:01:42.000 And I almost think that that's kind of the second leg that kind of drives some of this. 0.82

01:01:48.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

01:01:48.000 Yeah, I read statistics about that, like the liberal whites being the most heavily medicated, suffering from the most... Where does that stem from, though?

01:01:57.000 I mean, again, it had to come from somewhere, right?

01:02:01.000 25 years ago, that was probably not the case.

01:02:03.000 You know, what made it so?

01:02:06.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a great question, Don.

01:02:08.000 I don't know that I have like a really pat answer for you.

01:02:10.000 I think it may be at some level, they're unhappy with themselves.

01:02:13.000 And like a lot of people who are unhappy with themselves, they project that unhappiness onto other people in very socially destructive ways.

01:02:21.000 But I don't think there's kind of one, you know, obvious answer to

01:02:24.000 To that question, but we definitely see it.

01:02:27.000 And again, in saying all this, I'm not trying to suggest, I mean, it's a little too pat to say, Oh, well, this is just liberal whites problem. 0.64

01:02:33.000 I mean, I think they're, they're a really important cog, but there's a lot of minority political leadership that has participated also in this bad anti-white activism.

01:02:42.000 And I'm not giving them, I'm not taking away their agency.

01:02:45.000 I'm not giving them a free pass, but I do think it's a little more understandable.

01:02:49.000 Like anybody can understand a group or members of a group choosing to advocate for something they might.

01:02:54.000 We're good to go.

01:03:04.000 Yeah, no, it's a statistical anomaly.

01:03:06.000 And by the way, it feels like in this stuff, there is such a component of grift.

01:03:12.000 Some of the biggest advocates for this, they're on the... I sort of use the Al Sharpton example.

01:03:17.000 It was known in New York, he shows up to a thing like, hey, you put us on the payroll and we won't be picketing in front of your business saying that you're racist and discriminatory.

01:03:28.000 And it's like,

01:03:30.000 It's like a kickback.

01:03:31.000 It just exists.

01:03:32.000 Everyone knows it.

01:03:34.000 When Al Sharpton was looking at an apartment years ago in New York, he called me as a reference.

01:03:40.000 He joked like we're frenemies.

01:03:45.000 It's a big joke, and it's like there are people that are actually victims of that joke, though, that don't get it, that are part of that.

01:03:54.000 And then there's the people who are just basically pocketing a lot of money in the grift, which is disgusting, but continues and seems to be a big part in what's perpetuating this to keep going, because more people are like, hey, if I can make money doing this, yeah, sure, everyone's racist.

01:04:10.000 That's the easy button of the left these days.

01:04:12.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:04:13.000 And you talk about a guy like Al Sharpton.

01:04:14.000 He's a classic example.

01:04:16.000 And I mean, you and I are of similar generations, so we kind of know that earlier history of Al Sharpton.

01:04:21.000 I mean, the fact that a guy who did some of the things that he was involved with could be a mainstream figure on the left who could visit the Obama White House, I think, more than anybody else.

01:04:31.000 He's on MSNBC.

01:04:32.000 He has a show on MSNBC.

01:04:33.000 It's not rated particularly well, but they won't fire him because they'll be called racist.

01:04:38.000 So it doesn't matter.

01:04:39.000 Like, it's the best form of job security ever.

01:04:42.000 I mean, it's sort of laughable, but it's a vicious cycle that, hey, if you're aggressive enough pitching your racist stuff, then you're, you know, no one's gonna take it on because it's just easier to leave it alone and, you know, stroke him a check every once in a while.

01:04:55.000 Yeah, I mean, absolutely.

01:04:57.000 And this is a guy who was involved, at least indirectly, I'll be careful for legal reasons there, of inciting race riots in which people died.

01:05:06.000 And, you know, now he's become this kind of mainstream figure who we have to treat as respectable.

01:05:12.000 I mean, to me, you couldn't imagine

01:05:15.000 A white person with a similar history to Al Sharpton in 2024 kind of getting that type of a pass.

01:05:21.000 Oh, you know, I incited race riots as a younger man, but now, you know, it's all good, right? 1.00

01:05:27.000 It's crazy.

01:05:29.000 Jeremy, what role does immigration and sort of Biden's open border policies, you know, play into all of this?

01:05:36.000 How does that come into play?

01:05:38.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it's a huge piece of it, right?

01:05:41.000 I mean, this is, I think Vivek put it really nicely, Ramaswamy in the campaign, when he talked about, he said, look, the grace replacement is not a conspiracy theory.

01:05:53.000 It's just a statement of the Democrat Party's immigration policy.

01:05:56.000 And it really is.

01:05:57.000 My colleague Michael Anton at Claremont has a phrase that's called celebration parallax, which I think really describes that this very well, which is to say something is either, you know, horrible and racist if I say it as a conservative white guy.

01:06:11.000 But if a minority says this, observes the same exact phenomenon, it's something that we should celebrate, right? 1.00

01:06:17.000 It's not happening to you and it's good that it is.

01:06:20.000 So immigration is kind of part of a

01:06:24.000 A kind of dramatic demographic transformation that the Democrats have celebrated we went from a time before the hard seller immigration bill in the 1960s where we were essentially effectively an all white and black society but 85% non Hispanic white.

01:06:40.000 Today that number is 58%, and among under 18, whites are already a minority.

01:06:46.000 And Biden, of course, because he is, even compared to the other reckless Democrats, has just left the border wide open, has turbocharged that.

01:06:55.000 And so now we have who knows who coming over the border, and we have a dramatic transformation demographically of the country that nobody ever voted on.

01:07:06.000 Yeah, and you see that.

01:07:07.000 I mean, they sort of openly applaud it on Twitter.

01:07:10.000 They're like, hey, now by 2030 or whatever the year is, it's going to be nonwhite. 1.00

01:07:15.000 They celebrate it.

01:07:16.000 So if you say anything about the Great Replacement Theory, you're a racist.

01:07:20.000 You know, all the leftists, and I don't mean like no name, just actual, you know, leftist races.

01:07:25.000 I mean, you know, people who have some standing in society that are thought leaders of today's left.

01:07:31.000 They're saying it and celebrating what they're saying doesn't exist.

01:07:34.000 I mean, I don't know how you can exist in that dichotomy.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, well, you can.

01:07:38.000 And again, that's one of the main reasons I wrote The Unprotected Class is because it isn't to stoke tensions.

01:07:45.000 In fact, quite the opposite.

01:07:47.000 These tensions are rising right now, and anybody who's online kind of see it, whether or not people are talking about it.

01:07:53.000 So I said, hey, let's have a real and meaningful, honest, fact-based conversation about what's going on so that we can help all Americans over, you know, overcome this and get much more toward

01:08:06.000 An ideal where kind of race is not front and center of everything that we're doing.

01:08:09.000 I mean, that's really the purpose for which I wrote this book.

01:08:13.000 You know, the left, contrary, is insisting on kind of making that pressure cooker go at higher and higher pressure because they're, you know, if somebody like me talks about it or you talk about it, we're gonna get called racist, et cetera, et cetera.

01:08:27.000 Now, I've just learned to ignore that over time.

01:08:29.000 Yeah, but I think that's actually a cultural shift.

01:08:32.000 I think, you know, five years ago,

01:08:35.000 Uh, even you and I would be there like, ah, we gotta walk on eggshells about that.

01:08:39.000 Like, like, not anymore.

01:08:40.000 It's so flagrant, uh, that I think you can just have the conversation.

01:08:44.000 And again, you know, that's still easier for us to do than others.

01:08:48.000 But, but I think the examples, uh, the insanity of some of it,

01:08:52.000 It is so flagrant that people have to start, like, it's actually becoming the norm.

01:08:57.000 The cancel culture component of this is sort of missing at this point because, you know, I guess since, for the last decade, literally everything has been racist.

01:09:07.000 You know, it's sort of, now you hear it, it's like,

01:09:11.000 Move on, next, it's just, here they go again, which is a shame because I'm not saying that racism doesn't still exist in some form or capacity, it's just not the cause of and solution for all of life's problems which the left made it.

01:09:24.000 No, absolutely.

01:09:25.000 And I even say in my book, of course, I'm not suggesting in any way that there are not other forms of racism in the country.

01:09:30.000 I just kind of outline in great detail in looking at everything from our education system to the military, to health care, to business, kind of how anti-white racism, I argue, is really the predominant form of racism.

01:09:43.000 But of course, there are other forms of racism.

01:09:45.000 And I think, Don, you're absolutely right that it's gotten much easier

01:09:48.000 Well, and it's like, well, what he's saying is not

01:10:05.000 It's not all that unreasonable.

01:10:06.000 You may not like it, but it doesn't mean it's not true.

01:10:09.000 Just because a tweet's mean doesn't mean it's not also accurate.

01:10:13.000 Right.

01:10:14.000 So I think he moved the so-called Overton window on this debate in some very, very helpful ways.

01:10:20.000 So I think that there is less power in these sorts of things.

01:10:22.000 And I also think that's the good side.

01:10:25.000 The bad side of it is

01:10:26.000 It's just because things have also gotten a lot worse.

01:10:29.000 I mean, it's like the left has just amped up the crazy 211.

01:10:33.000 And so it's like, even for people like myself, who are in relatively privileged circumstances, and like you, Don, I have five kids, you know, and they're growing up in, you know, relative comfort compared to a lot of Americans.

01:10:47.000 But I, you know, I wrote this book for my kids.

01:10:49.000 I'm like, I can't

01:10:51.000 You know, I can't promise them the same sort of life that I've been fortunate to have because, you know, who knows how they're going to be treated out there.

01:10:57.000 Yeah, no, listen, hey, I was a real estate developer once from New York City.

01:11:00.000 It was really easy compared to this.

01:11:02.000 And yet, you know, well done.

01:11:03.000 Why do you do this?

01:11:04.000 It's like, I don't have a choice because I have five kids.

01:11:07.000 I got to leave them a country that we recognize.

01:11:10.000 And I guess, you know, maybe that goes to the, you know, what would some of the key policy prescriptions be, Jeremy, to address

01:11:17.000 Uh, you know, some of this, uh, discrimination.

01:11:19.000 How much of the DEI framework is just flat-out illegal that we're able to actually just do something about it based on, uh, just, you know, the rules and norms of our law?

01:11:30.000 Yeah, well, I think that's a good thing.

01:11:31.000 I mean, I think that there are some laws that we do need to change and look at, but even within the existing legal frameworks that we have, one of the great things, I think one of the most effective organizations that came indirectly out of your father's administration was Stephen Miller's America First Legal, that's really been, along with some other groups,

01:11:51.000 Kind of picking up $20 bills on the ground, metaphorically speaking.

01:11:54.000 In other words, they are blatantly illegal, even under our existing civil rights laws, practices, employment practices, education discrimination practices, things where we're basically saying no whites allowed. 1.00

01:12:08.000 Right in front of everybody.

01:12:09.000 You're not actually allowed to do that in the overwhelming majority of cases.

01:12:13.000 And so we're beginning to sue some of these guys and say, hey, you can't do that.

01:12:17.000 And in many cases, they're just folding, even in some pretty prominent cases because they know

01:12:23.000 That if they are actually tested in court, they're going to lose.

01:12:27.000 That, in fact, these things are not legal.

01:12:30.000 The Attorney General of Missouri, right after the Supreme Court decision against affirmative action came out, canceled, I think, $16 million of racially exclusive scholarships, saying correctly, you know, this is illegal.

01:12:42.000 We can't do that.

01:12:42.000 So I think lawfare is a piece.

01:12:44.000 I think, obviously, getting control of our border is a piece.

01:12:48.000 I think supporting the police and doing things like that as the police so that we don't have this kind of post-George Floyd hysteria that we really had.

01:12:57.000 I think there's lots of different things that we can do.

01:13:03.000 We also, I think, need to kind of try to ban things like disparate impact, and I think that could be done with either legislation or

01:13:11.000 We're good to go.

01:13:27.000 Over the last few years, we've seen a lot of hoaxes.

01:13:29.000 You know, Jussie Smollett, that was one.

01:13:30.000 I mean, that was one. 0.97

01:13:31.000 I think I was like the first verified person on Twitter or like, let's call it, with something to lose to be like, uh, I'm calling bullshit. 0.87

01:13:38.000 That's risky because if, you know, but it's pretty clear. 0.95

01:13:41.000 Hey, if this happened, it's despicable and we got to denounce it.

01:13:44.000 But like, there's almost zero chance that that happened.

01:13:48.000 And, you know,

01:13:49.000 Of course I was right after being called a racist and a conspiracy theorist and all of that stuff.

01:13:54.000 What's behind the hoaxes?

01:13:57.000 And what about all the talk about the reparations?

01:14:02.000 Is there an incentive structure in our society to further racial division, I guess?

01:14:08.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:14:09.000 And I mean, I'm glad that you seemingly fell in and were smart enough to figure out that maybe downtown Chicago at 2 a.m.

01:14:15.000 was not this is MAGA country.

01:14:16.000 It wasn't MAGA country, I can assure you that.

01:14:18.000 Like, if you were wearing a MAGA... I said it.

01:14:19.000 I was like, if you were wearing a MAGA hat, the over-under of you getting shot is like 15 seconds.

01:14:24.000 So it probably didn't happen, but that's just me.

01:14:27.000 I have a brain.

01:14:28.000 Right, right, right. 0.99

01:14:29.000 So, I mean, you know, that was just one of the more ridiculous incidents.

01:14:33.000 I mean, if you look at most of these prominent hate crimes and kind of bet on them being hoaxes when they come out, you know, your record will be pretty good, as my friend Wilfred Wiley has kind of showed in his book.

01:14:47.000 I think there is an incentive structure and I think that's important because these sorts of things don't kind of just spring fully armored like Athena from Zeus's head ready for battle.

01:14:56.000 I mean they they kind of have gestation period.

01:14:59.000 They have reasons that they've happened.

01:15:01.000 I think there's a lot but but kind of one of the main ones I'd argue is

01:15:06.000 That effectively, look, in 2024, you can't just go up to somebody, and I think there's at least a perception, and there's some reality to that, that, like, whites as a group have more resources than some other groups.

01:15:19.000 But you can't go up to people in 2024 and just say, like, I want your stuff in America.

01:15:24.000 So you need to come up with what's called... Unless you're a Democrat.

01:15:28.000 Yeah, well, maybe.

01:15:29.000 They're certainly normalizing it.

01:15:30.000 You can't just, yeah, but if they get their way, you know.

01:15:34.000 Yeah, that can happen to you if you're a Trump.

01:15:36.000 But you need to have what the, I'll get academic for a second, the sociologist, late sociologist C. Wright Mills called a legitimating ideology.

01:15:44.000 And that means you have to come up with an ideological justification for doing the sort of stuff you want to do anyway.

01:15:49.000 So what that looks like is white privilege, white supremacy, you know, you have all these things because of all this, and therefore we're morally justified in taking all this stuff from you.

01:16:00.000 And I think when you look particularly at the reparations debate, which is,

01:16:04.000 The more you study it, the more it's just completely disconnected from reality.

01:16:08.000 That's what's driving it.

01:16:09.000 And all these things, all this kind of overheated anti-white rhetoric, is ultimately just a legitimating ideology to justify resource confiscation of various types.

01:16:21.000 Well, Jeremy, tell us, tell the audience, where can they find the book?

01:16:25.000 Where can they find you to follow, you know, appreciate you taking in this on?

01:16:28.000 I'm sure, like I said, I can tell from the people in the feed, they see it every day.

01:16:31.000 It's sort of, you know, some people, again, feel sort of helpless about it because it is very real.

01:16:37.000 It is going on, you know, but obviously there's big forces pushing it and that, you know, everyone doesn't have that soapbox.

01:16:44.000 So, you know, where can they learn more about it?

01:16:45.000 Where can they follow you?

01:16:47.000 Et cetera.

01:16:48.000 Sure.

01:16:49.000 So you can follow me on x slash Twitter at Real Jeremy Karl.

01:16:54.000 I have a substack called The Course of Empire, jeremykarl.substack.com.

01:16:58.000 And most importantly, you can buy the book and the book has actually been doing sensationally.

01:17:01.000 We went through just in the first 12 days, 12, we went through three new printings of the book, which is a lot.

01:17:08.000 If you know the publishing industry, it's sold very well.

01:17:11.000 There's been a lot of interest in it, but you can go to Amazon.

01:17:14.000 You can hopefully go to your local bookstore.

01:17:16.000 I think retail distribution is

01:17:18.000 Has improved.

01:17:19.000 Yeah, they're gonna hide that behind the Michelle Obama biography like they used to do to my book, Triggered.

01:17:24.000 I was like, I was a New York Times number one bestseller, but I couldn't find it at any bookstores because they were literally just putting stuff in front of it so that no one could see it.

01:17:31.000 Yeah, it'll be in the brown paper bag, metaphorically.

01:17:34.000 But it really does make a difference, by the way, and hopefully your audience who's listening to this is like, wow, this guy is making a lot of sense.

01:17:41.000 But even if you disagree with me on a point or two,

01:17:43.000 What you do by buying a book like this is, sadly, you don't make me rich.

01:17:47.000 It's not anybody who knows about the economics of book publishing knows that.

01:17:51.000 But what you do is you send a signal to the market that, hey, we want to hear about this sort of subject.

01:17:57.000 It's a legitimate subject to be talking about.

01:18:00.000 Major publishers should be bringing more books to the market about this.

01:18:04.000 Because you can imagine, I was fortunate to get a very mainstream publisher, Regnery, to kind of do this book.

01:18:10.000 Now Sky Horse, who bought Regnery.

01:18:14.000 It's not trivial.

01:18:15.000 So the way that you can signal to market that we should be doing more of this is to go out and buy the book.

01:18:20.000 And I love getting feedback from my readers.

01:18:23.000 And it's been so far, it's been a fun and interesting journey and love to have the opportunity to talk to folks like you about it.

01:18:30.000 Well, Jeremy, really appreciate it, guys.

01:18:31.000 Check out Jeremy Carl.

01:18:32.000 Check out the book, Unprotected Class.

01:18:35.000 I think you're right.

01:18:37.000 Make it part of a conversation.

01:18:38.000 When that becomes normalized, I think it becomes a lot harder to perpetuate the nonsense.

01:18:43.000 So really appreciate you going out there and doing that.

01:18:47.000 And great talking to you, Jeremy.

01:18:48.000 I'm sure we'll have you back on talking about this stuff again, because I imagine it's not just going away.

01:18:52.000 We'll have to chip away at the nonsense.

01:18:55.000 Absolutely, Don.

01:18:56.000 It's a pleasure to be on.

01:18:56.000 Thanks so much.

01:18:58.000 Thank you.

01:18:59.000 Well, Jeremy, thank you very much.

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