TRIGGERnometry - Bill Burr：＂The Internet is an Abusive Relationship＂

00:00:00.240 They should be fucking put to death for what they did.

00:00:04.000 There you go.

00:00:04.660 This is a hot take.

00:00:07.100 People's criticism recently of you is that you've mellowed.

00:00:10.060 Yeah, Bill, be the way you used to be and go around and hurt people.

00:00:13.760 I'm going to come up to you and say,

00:00:14.720 hey, man, I was going through a really bad period in my life

00:00:17.320 and your comedy helped me.

00:00:19.460 And it's weird.

00:00:20.260 You almost feel like embarrassed when they say it

00:00:23.040 because it's just like, oh, because I'm doing this for me.

00:00:27.360 You've always gone back to stand-up.

00:00:29.280 Right.

00:00:30.200 Why is it?

00:00:32.040 Because I love it.

00:00:33.340 And it was just like total like culture shock.

00:00:35.460 Like I had never been in a room where I was just like the only white guy

00:00:38.680 and there's like 300, you know, black people.

00:00:40.520 And I was just like, you know, at first you go super liberal

00:00:42.900 where you're just like, oh, wow, everybody here is cool.

00:00:45.500 And then once you start to go individually, like,

00:00:49.560 oh, this guy's like my white friend Mark, who's a piece of shit.

00:00:53.360 Yeah, well, it annoys me when I watch the news

00:00:55.520 and you just see these weathermen and go,

00:00:56.700 I'll tell you, it's going to be a hot one.

00:00:58.820 What are we doing right now?

00:00:59.560 I was just waiting to say, what is today?

00:01:01.600 Today's Tuesday?

00:01:02.560 Yeah.

00:01:03.060 Yeah.

00:01:03.440 Oh, we got jackets on and we're talking.

00:01:05.540 This isn't a fucking real job.

00:01:07.520 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry on the road from the USA.

00:01:22.260 I'm Francis Foster.

00:01:23.560 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:01:24.660 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations

00:01:27.840 with fascinating people.

00:01:29.680 It's our last interview of the trip and we are finishing with a bang.

00:01:33.320 It's literally our favorite comedian alive today.

00:01:36.040 Bill Burr, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:37.620 How are you?

00:01:38.340 It's great to have you on, man.

00:01:39.620 What a pleasure.

00:01:41.040 I forgot that was the name of the podcast.

00:01:43.040 That brings back some bad memories.

00:01:44.940 Like what?

00:01:45.800 Just being bad at math.

00:01:47.660 I got to algebra two and trig is how far I got.

00:01:50.840 Yeah.

00:01:51.320 Yeah.

00:01:51.760 Well, listen, man, welcome to the show.

00:01:53.840 I mentioned that we've been traveling around and it's been a wild ride for us.

00:01:58.840 We've talked to all sorts of people and America is an amazing place,

00:02:02.060 but also very, very like divided place.

00:02:04.780 A lot of people are angry now.

00:02:06.540 Why do you think that is?

00:02:07.540 Like, how has America got to this point?

00:02:09.220 Because people are getting their information on the internet.

00:02:11.300 So they think that a lot of people, you know, if you go on the internet,

00:02:14.200 everybody seems like they're angry.

00:02:15.380 But if you go outside and walk around, they're not.

00:02:17.560 It's like they're just walking around screaming at each other.

00:02:19.480 I think the internet is just like an abusive relationship

00:02:23.420 and everybody just, you just get to say whatever you want, sort of,

00:02:27.140 especially if you're not in the public eye

00:02:29.300 and you just have some anonymous name and no photo,

00:02:32.260 you just get to just be like the biggest asshole ever,

00:02:36.760 either for sport or you actually mean it.

00:02:39.800 So, you know, I think it would appear a lot less angry if, you know,

00:02:46.920 people weren't allowed to comment and communicate with each other

00:02:49.900 on the internet, you know,

00:02:51.140 or that you actually had to say who you were and where you lived.

00:02:54.600 I think people would be a little more courteous to one another, but...

00:02:59.140 Bill Burr approves of doxing.

00:03:00.860 That would be the headline.

00:03:02.000 Yeah.

00:03:02.180 I mean, there's that.

00:03:02.860 And then there's the whole history of this country, you know.

00:03:05.160 Right.

00:03:05.680 Coming to a head.

00:03:07.340 Maybe.

00:03:07.840 Or just resurfacing.

00:03:09.000 I don't know.

00:03:10.180 And does it worry you, Bill, that people are more divided than ever,

00:03:14.720 that we've got this kind of left-right divide

00:03:16.740 and the left looks at the right and the right looks at the left

00:03:19.340 and no one seems to really trust each other anymore?

00:03:24.360 No, I just don't think any of that's real.

00:03:26.380 It's not real.

00:03:27.640 It's just like, and the people from England and around,

00:03:29.700 you guys always ask these questions, like,

00:03:31.380 what's it like everybody yelling at each other

00:03:33.920 and walking around with a machine gun?

00:03:35.500 And it's just like, it's like, you know what I mean?

00:03:37.960 I'm trying to think of the stereotype of where you guys come from.

00:03:40.640 It's just not this, it's kind of, you are what they show.

00:03:45.800 And what everybody shows now is heightened emotions

00:03:48.980 because there's so many places to look at things.

00:03:51.940 Like, crazy gets people to stop and watch.

00:03:55.060 But, like, actual, you know, people just chilling out,

00:03:58.780 no one wants to see that.

00:04:00.040 They want to see, like, fighting and that type of thing.

00:04:03.860 I know what you're saying, but we've been talking to people.

00:04:06.740 Hey, you've been here for a week.

00:04:08.300 You got it down, man.

00:04:11.700 Please, by all means, tell me about my country.

00:04:16.900 I'm just asking the question, Bill.

00:04:19.400 That's cool.

00:04:20.060 I answered it.

00:04:20.940 You did.

00:04:21.300 And then you're still going back, yeah, but according, you know.

00:04:24.100 I know you guys are going to go back to England and say,

00:04:25.860 oh, they're fucking fat.

00:04:27.820 Everybody's got a gun in the visor of their car.

00:04:29.940 I know what you guys are going to do.

00:04:30.880 You know what, actually, Americans are not that fat.

00:04:33.680 It's the fat Americans who are extra fat.

00:04:35.600 Most Americans are the same as the British.

00:04:37.680 Well, our food supply is poison.

00:04:39.580 Yeah.

00:04:39.860 It was taken over by one group of people,

00:04:41.620 and they own the rights to the seeds and all of that type of stuff,

00:04:44.380 and they forced out all of these farmers.

00:04:46.460 If their seeds blew onto their property,

00:04:48.320 they could sue them for using their seeds,

00:04:50.600 and the media just ignored all of that because they get paid by them.

00:04:54.360 That's sort of what is going on globally,

00:04:57.280 is everybody is just choosing money.

00:05:00.720 Oh, the bag, as fucking kids say nowadays.

00:05:05.520 That's what the problem is.

00:05:06.680 Nobody is, you know,

00:05:08.540 everybody's screaming and yelling about shit that doesn't matter,

00:05:11.620 like stand-up comedians.

00:05:13.000 They'll yell about that,

00:05:13.980 but they won't talk about literally people poisoning their own countrymen.

00:05:17.120 I mean, they should be fucking put to death for what they did.

00:05:20.760 There you go.

00:05:21.400 There's a hot take.

00:05:21.980 I mean, I know if I did it, if I did it,

00:05:25.680 if I fucking went to one donut shop and put something in a fucking donut

00:05:29.460 that hurt somebody or caused them to have some sort of medical episode,

00:05:33.800 that would be a, I would not be sitting here right now.

00:05:36.380 But they somehow, you know, you know how it is.

00:05:38.600 Catholic church can do what they do,

00:05:41.340 kind of move people around, and everything's all right.

00:05:44.640 As long as you're fucking, you know, you're paying people, it's good.

00:05:47.440 So, that's what it is.

00:05:49.740 It's a great point.

00:05:51.980 Why is it, do you think, that we get more obsessed

00:05:54.260 by the stuff that doesn't matter, your pronouns, blah, blah, blah,

00:05:57.960 than the actually really important stuff,

00:05:59.840 like the fact there's a fentanyl crisis in this country?

00:06:03.040 Because you're being steered away from it.

00:06:05.860 There's also money, and it's just like,

00:06:08.820 you have to sacrifice.

00:06:11.240 Someone on one of those big news channels

00:06:13.660 would have to sacrifice their cushy life

00:06:15.820 and, you know, and fall on the knife,

00:06:19.960 and nothing would happen.

00:06:21.580 I mean, that's what you probably learned with Snowden,

00:06:23.880 what he did, you know?

00:06:25.380 And, like, he did that for all of us.

00:06:27.740 He should be treated like a hero, half of the people, you know?

00:06:30.760 Over here, the big thing is,

00:06:32.240 if you know somebody's fighting for the people,

00:06:34.280 they're immediately branded a socialist or a communist,

00:06:37.540 and they somehow try to tie him to Putin.

00:06:42.440 It's just like, or he just thinks

00:06:44.500 the banking system's a little fucked up

00:06:46.440 and maybe it shouldn't be run by a private corporation.

00:06:49.660 Could be that.

00:06:51.660 Yeah.

00:06:52.480 Do you find it weird that you're being asked

00:06:54.260 so much about politics as a stand-up?

00:07:00.680 No, because I just think that, you know,

00:07:05.040 they don't want real answers.

00:07:06.400 They want idiots like me talking about it,

00:07:09.300 and then we just go,

00:07:10.100 that's just some idiot comedian that does shit jokes,

00:07:11.940 but they don't want, like, I don't know.

00:07:14.440 I don't even think they even answer the questions

00:07:15.860 or even ask them anymore.

00:07:17.180 I don't know.

00:07:17.560 This is getting depressing.

00:07:20.600 I don't know.

00:07:21.140 This is why I just sort of tapped off,

00:07:22.820 because I was in all that conspiracy theory

00:07:25.240 as far as, like, you know,

00:07:26.500 not saying the moon was made out of cheese,

00:07:27.980 but I got into that whole Federal Reserve thing

00:07:29.540 and everything, and I just,

00:07:30.460 all I did was just meet other crazy people,

00:07:32.660 and we weren't getting anything done,

00:07:34.400 and we were just agreeing with each other,

00:07:37.080 and I just, after a while,

00:07:37.980 it just became, you know, depressing,

00:07:41.460 so I just sort of just,

00:07:43.900 I was, you know, you know,

00:07:46.520 I kind of have an issue

00:07:47.380 with the higher power, though, right now.

00:07:50.440 What's your issue with the higher power?

00:07:52.180 He's lazy.

00:07:54.220 He makes a lot of fucked up people

00:07:56.180 and takes no responsibility

00:07:57.560 and blames it on the devil.

00:07:59.100 That whole fucking thing

00:08:00.040 is just fucked up to me,

00:08:01.880 and the joke I've been doing in my act

00:08:04.240 is that I believe in a god,

00:08:06.000 but not the one that cares.

00:08:07.880 I think he just sort of made,

00:08:09.000 even if you just look like the animal kingdom,

00:08:11.140 like what,

00:08:12.440 so, like, rabbits are just here to be eaten,

00:08:14.720 and they die horrible fucking deaths.

00:08:16.740 There's really no point.

00:08:17.820 They're designed to, like,

00:08:19.680 just fuck all the time

00:08:21.080 and make more

00:08:21.780 so everything, you know,

00:08:23.240 they can be eaten alive.

00:08:25.280 What are you saying?

00:08:26.020 He's God's and absent father.

00:08:29.200 He created us and left us.

00:08:30.800 I don't know.

00:08:31.120 He's, like, in a fucking artist studio.

00:08:34.000 He just made this,

00:08:35.900 and then he makes that,

00:08:37.380 and just fucking, he's like,

00:08:39.560 yeah, I just picture him

00:08:41.160 in some fucking giant loft

00:08:42.880 creating and then moving on

00:08:46.440 to the next thing.

00:08:47.100 I don't think he's coming back

00:08:48.220 or anybody else.

00:08:49.000 I think we're just gonna ride this out,

00:08:50.980 and then one day the light goes out,

00:08:52.380 it just goes quiet,

00:08:53.160 and then something else springs up,

00:08:54.640 and that's the next thing he works on.

00:08:57.220 And you think that's just gonna be

00:08:58.380 the way it rolls?

00:08:59.540 Yeah.

00:09:00.300 That makes sense.

00:09:01.920 Why do you pick the subjects

00:09:03.180 that you pick when you do comedy?

00:09:04.520 Why are you attracted to these subjects?

00:09:06.180 Because there's a lot of comedians

00:09:07.440 who would love to do the stuff that you do,

00:09:09.620 but they're too scared.

00:09:11.380 They're too scared.

00:09:12.380 They're just doing what they want to do,

00:09:14.620 and there's also, like, you know,

00:09:15.960 with stand-up,

00:09:16.640 you've got to figure out,

00:09:18.840 you know,

00:09:20.240 am I this person?

00:09:21.720 Am I that person?

00:09:22.500 Do I want to talk about this?

00:09:24.120 And, you know,

00:09:25.500 look, as much as I talk about

00:09:28.680 what I talk about,

00:09:29.460 I don't, like,

00:09:30.220 I don't choose political sides.

00:09:31.680 Like, I've seen some comedians do.

00:09:33.140 I would never,

00:09:34.700 I wouldn't do that

00:09:38.560 because I just feel like,

00:09:39.880 you know,

00:09:40.380 I know I don't have the answers,

00:09:41.940 so I'm not gonna sit there

00:09:42.960 and tell people, like,

00:09:44.140 you know,

00:09:46.200 who they're gonna vote,

00:09:47.700 who they should vote for,

00:09:48.560 or whatever.

00:09:49.120 I'm not saying a bunch of comics do that,

00:09:50.560 but I've seen people kind of doing that,

00:09:52.180 especially during the,

00:09:53.160 the last two

00:09:55.800 that we've had,

00:09:57.360 the last two elections that we had.

00:09:58.880 It got pretty wild.

00:10:01.140 The options,

00:10:02.200 it was slim pickings.

00:10:05.180 Yeah.

00:10:05.820 So now we're with this guy,

00:10:07.320 and just,

00:10:07.860 I don't know,

00:10:08.300 I just miss old school politicians,

00:10:11.080 you know,

00:10:11.560 that just sort of gave you a speech,

00:10:13.060 gave you some hope,

00:10:13.940 as opposed to, like,

00:10:14.900 you know,

00:10:15.200 now I don't know what we have.

00:10:17.180 There's literally actors out here

00:10:18.340 talking about how they want to run for president.

00:10:22.000 Which strikes me as hilarious.

00:10:23.480 It's like,

00:10:23.620 you got this great fucking life,

00:10:25.240 you're making 10,

00:10:26.220 20 million a movie,

00:10:27.340 and you want to get a job

00:10:28.720 where you're gonna have,

00:10:29.760 like,

00:10:29.900 dead babies

00:10:30.740 on your fucking conscience,

00:10:32.340 because the bombs don't always land

00:10:34.240 on the bad guys,

00:10:35.020 and you're gonna age,

00:10:35.900 like,

00:10:36.140 40 years,

00:10:37.020 and you're like,

00:10:37.580 what the fuck would you ever want

00:10:39.440 that job for is beyond me.

00:10:41.600 You know,

00:10:42.100 maybe they just think

00:10:42.860 that they're so good at acting

00:10:44.080 that they can just play any role.

00:10:45.520 Do you know what I mean?

00:10:46.020 Like,

00:10:46.400 the president is just another role to play.

00:10:49.060 I think they're staying ahead

00:10:50.300 of their depression.

00:10:52.240 So they just need another challenge

00:10:53.980 so they don't sit

00:10:54.900 and they're not alone

00:10:55.600 with their thoughts.

00:10:57.300 Like,

00:10:57.820 I'm pretty fucked up.

00:11:00.280 What am I doing next?

00:11:01.020 I'll run for president!

00:11:04.220 I'll never sit in traffic again.

00:11:06.280 That'll shut this off.

00:11:07.680 Yeah.

00:11:09.320 Yeah.

00:11:10.400 But,

00:11:10.640 but,

00:11:11.920 but,

00:11:11.980 but,

00:11:12.420 Bill,

00:11:13.240 you do go to,

00:11:14.500 like,

00:11:14.560 the more contentious topics.

00:11:17.060 You do kind of,

00:11:18.100 but they do interest me.

00:11:19.780 Everybody does.

00:11:21.880 You're telling me,

00:11:22.580 is there anything that I'm talking about

00:11:23.620 you don't talk about?

00:11:24.340 You might not talk about the way I do,

00:11:26.580 but you do.

00:11:27.360 Yeah,

00:11:27.560 but a lot of people wouldn't talk about it

00:11:29.020 on stage.

00:11:29.480 Oh, man.

00:11:29.900 100%.

00:11:30.020 There's loads of comedians.

00:11:31.080 We know a ton of comedians

00:11:32.320 who wouldn't even go near

00:11:33.500 the subjects you're playing.

00:11:34.420 Yeah,

00:11:34.520 but I know a ton that do.

00:11:35.960 Sure.

00:11:36.560 Of course.

00:11:37.240 Yeah,

00:11:37.320 yeah.

00:11:37.580 So,

00:11:37.800 I mean,

00:11:37.960 it's just all like,

00:11:38.700 you know,

00:11:39.660 it's like music.

00:11:41.060 I'm playing this style of music,

00:11:42.520 you're playing that,

00:11:43.260 and there's like,

00:11:43.700 there's everything from,

00:11:45.100 you know,

00:11:45.320 that stuff I was just playing you

00:11:46.580 that I like to meditate to,

00:11:47.760 Yeah.

00:11:48.180 all the way to like,

00:11:49.160 you know,

00:11:49.620 Meshuggah.

00:11:50.100 So,

00:11:52.880 you know,

00:11:53.180 it's a,

00:11:53.680 there's no right or wrong way

00:11:56.920 to do stand-up comedy.

00:11:58.080 Yeah.

00:11:58.180 You just do it the way

00:11:59.080 you want to do it,

00:11:59.960 and you listen to your voice,

00:12:01.240 and if this is what you want

00:12:02.200 to talk about,

00:12:03.040 you talk about it,

00:12:03.740 but you don't give in to pressure

00:12:04.880 like,

00:12:05.180 hey,

00:12:05.320 man,

00:12:05.800 you're up there,

00:12:06.500 you're not saying anything,

00:12:07.940 man.

00:12:08.480 It's just like,

00:12:09.120 maybe I don't want to.

00:12:10.200 Yeah.

00:12:11.320 Maybe I don't want to.

00:12:12.340 Maybe that's how I deal

00:12:13.500 with fucking,

00:12:15.260 the depression

00:12:16.100 of paying attention

00:12:17.460 is I go up there

00:12:18.700 and give people

00:12:19.220 a fucking mental break,

00:12:20.740 you know?

00:12:21.200 Like,

00:12:21.400 maybe that's what

00:12:22.320 those style of people do,

00:12:23.800 and I gotta be honest with you,

00:12:24.920 I love comics like that.

00:12:27.500 Yeah,

00:12:27.800 and I like,

00:12:28.860 you know,

00:12:29.100 somebody that's doing something

00:12:30.060 completely different than I am.

00:12:31.960 It's easy to follow

00:12:33.060 because they're not stepping

00:12:34.040 on anything that I'm talking about,

00:12:35.720 and I love silly,

00:12:38.000 you know,

00:12:38.560 I love absurd,

00:12:39.740 I love observational comedy,

00:12:41.860 prop acts,

00:12:42.720 guitar acts,

00:12:43.440 as long as you make me laugh,

00:12:45.400 yeah,

00:12:45.920 I love it.

00:12:47.540 And do you sometimes feel

00:12:49.700 like people paint

00:12:50.720 this image of you

00:12:51.540 like he's just

00:12:52.480 this angry guy

00:12:53.680 who,

00:12:54.280 you know,

00:12:54.700 who doesn't like women

00:12:55.640 because they watch the act,

00:12:57.060 which I think is nonsense,

00:12:58.500 by the way,

00:12:59.780 whereas...

00:13:00.340 Well,

00:13:00.460 it's kind of true

00:13:00.980 in the beginning.

00:13:04.600 They weren't 100% wrong.

00:13:06.820 I had,

00:13:07.280 you know,

00:13:07.540 I had a lot of issues

00:13:08.180 with women,

00:13:08.580 I still have a lot,

00:13:10.320 but I still go back

00:13:11.640 to some,

00:13:12.380 you know,

00:13:13.540 tried and true ones,

00:13:14.660 and it is funny,

00:13:15.860 whenever I start

00:13:16.920 to write a new hour,

00:13:18.000 it's just,

00:13:18.400 I always,

00:13:18.940 it's always that,

00:13:20.460 and I was saying

00:13:21.600 the other night,

00:13:22.800 I was saying,

00:13:23.280 ladies,

00:13:23.520 just don't worry,

00:13:24.120 I'm going to iron this out

00:13:25.060 before the special,

00:13:25.880 it's just,

00:13:26.220 I always like,

00:13:27.920 and I don't,

00:13:28.420 be honest with you,

00:13:28.980 I don't know where

00:13:30.080 most of that,

00:13:32.720 I know where some of it

00:13:33.480 comes from,

00:13:33.780 I don't know where

00:13:34.280 most of that came from,

00:13:35.280 but it really had

00:13:39.780 nothing to do

00:13:40.440 with women,

00:13:40.980 I don't think,

00:13:42.320 but like being

00:13:43.440 in a relationship

00:13:44.180 brought me back

00:13:45.380 to like,

00:13:45.880 you know,

00:13:46.900 like a suffocating,

00:13:48.400 oppressive sort of thing,

00:13:49.660 and it just sort of

00:13:50.240 felt like,

00:13:50.820 you know,

00:13:52.000 which it wasn't

00:13:53.140 never the woman's fault

00:13:54.160 in the relationship

00:13:54.740 I was in,

00:13:55.280 it was just that

00:13:55.860 I was not in touch

00:13:56.860 with my emotions,

00:13:58.400 so I didn't know

00:13:59.180 what I really,

00:14:00.140 truly felt,

00:14:01.920 so I was always,

00:14:02.560 yeah,

00:14:02.820 it just,

00:14:03.300 you know,

00:14:04.660 I always,

00:14:05.100 you know,

00:14:05.280 for a while,

00:14:05.980 every time I was

00:14:06.460 in a relationship,

00:14:07.040 I felt like I was

00:14:08.020 in this little rubber raft

00:14:09.700 heading towards

00:14:10.380 the waterfall,

00:14:12.020 which is not the place

00:14:13.860 you want to be

00:14:14.480 in a relationship,

00:14:16.340 so,

00:14:17.280 and unfortunately,

00:14:19.440 I met my wife,

00:14:20.460 so.

00:14:21.400 Because when you're on stage,

00:14:22.640 Stopped hurting people.

00:14:25.320 Because when you're on stage,

00:14:27.500 it looks like a guy

00:14:29.100 who is looking at the world

00:14:31.200 and struggling to understand

00:14:33.180 everything that's happening.

00:14:34.400 and sort of railing against it,

00:14:36.960 which I think a lot of people,

00:14:38.280 particularly guys,

00:14:39.200 and women,

00:14:39.820 can connect with,

00:14:40.580 you know?

00:14:42.020 I guess so.

00:14:42.920 I don't know.

00:14:44.820 I don't know.

00:14:45.480 I did read a book,

00:14:46.700 though,

00:14:46.800 that kind of made,

00:14:48.160 you know,

00:14:49.140 that I would recommend

00:14:49.900 to all you English guys

00:14:50.960 who always go like,

00:14:51.660 what's going on over there,

00:14:52.700 mate?

00:14:52.880 Everybody's got a gun.

00:14:54.060 What's going on?

00:14:56.620 I read this book called

00:14:57.680 Wilmington's Lie.

00:14:59.160 You should read that.

00:15:00.140 And then everything up until now,

00:15:01.860 including abortion,

00:15:02.840 everything just goes,

00:15:03.720 it's like,

00:15:04.140 oh,

00:15:04.680 I'm not saying it's right.

00:15:05.980 It just makes like,

00:15:07.040 oh,

00:15:07.240 this is how we ended up here.

00:15:10.120 What's it called again?

00:15:11.280 Wilmington's Lie.

00:15:12.080 I'll make sure to read it.

00:15:13.120 Yeah.

00:15:13.560 I mean,

00:15:13.860 it's got everything in there.

00:15:15.060 It's got like,

00:15:16.140 you know,

00:15:16.680 white supremacy.

00:15:18.180 It's got elections,

00:15:19.380 Democrat,

00:15:19.880 Republicans.

00:15:20.340 It's got like black and white.

00:15:22.300 The whole thing,

00:15:24.380 you know,

00:15:24.960 it's kind of unfair

00:15:26.360 to just put it on Wilmington.

00:15:27.680 It's like Wilmington

00:15:28.440 is like sort of like

00:15:29.700 a Petri dish

00:15:30.580 to show the whole country

00:15:31.780 what was,

00:15:33.860 you know,

00:15:35.260 how kind of

00:15:35.980 we ended up here.

00:15:37.120 I got so much

00:15:37.800 out of that book.

00:15:38.460 It was,

00:15:38.680 it was,

00:15:39.140 you know,

00:15:40.060 actually in a weird way.

00:15:41.860 Even though everything

00:15:42.640 is so fucked up still,

00:15:43.820 but it's at least

00:15:44.680 you understand like,

00:15:45.720 well,

00:15:45.880 it kind of makes sense

00:15:46.940 where this fucked up

00:15:47.820 if this is what

00:15:48.660 we're standing on

00:15:49.540 type of thing.

00:15:51.500 Bill,

00:15:52.060 it's an interesting thing

00:15:53.380 you talk about

00:15:53.880 meeting your wife

00:15:54.560 and what a positive

00:15:55.240 difference made in your life.

00:15:56.760 And it shows you

00:15:57.940 how messed up sometimes

00:15:59.020 the way we look at comedy

00:16:00.080 is because people,

00:16:01.200 people's criticism

00:16:02.300 sometimes recently

00:16:03.900 have used

00:16:04.280 that you've mellowed,

00:16:05.600 which like in a normal world,

00:16:07.020 like that's like

00:16:07.540 a good thing,

00:16:08.220 right?

00:16:08.740 But for a comedian,

00:16:09.600 people will say that

00:16:10.460 meaning you've,

00:16:11.100 you've lost an edge.

00:16:12.380 Have you mellowed?

00:16:13.960 Yeah.

00:16:14.760 You have?

00:16:15.240 Yeah,

00:16:15.520 I'm not as mad

00:16:16.140 as I used to be

00:16:17.340 and like,

00:16:18.640 yeah,

00:16:19.720 they are right.

00:16:20.460 I have.

00:16:20.880 And they want me

00:16:21.600 to just be angry

00:16:22.440 my whole life

00:16:23.120 and not enjoy living

00:16:24.480 is because they're angry

00:16:27.240 and they're not

00:16:28.200 enjoying their lives.

00:16:29.200 So with them,

00:16:29.920 I don't take it personally.

00:16:30.920 I just hope that they

00:16:31.860 can somehow,

00:16:33.180 I don't know,

00:16:34.100 find some sort of peace

00:16:35.440 because it's no way to go

00:16:37.300 because you're just

00:16:37.760 going around,

00:16:38.200 you know,

00:16:39.080 yeah,

00:16:39.280 Bill,

00:16:39.520 be the way you used to be

00:16:40.440 and go around hurt people

00:16:41.460 with your fucking wild outbursts

00:16:45.500 or whatever.

00:16:46.120 And it's like,

00:16:47.260 and then there's also,

00:16:48.120 you know,

00:16:48.600 there's,

00:16:49.100 there's,

00:16:52.220 there's all kinds

00:16:53.020 of different people

00:16:54.180 that come at me

00:16:55.260 with that shit

00:16:55.880 and it could be based

00:16:57.300 in just like

00:16:58.120 where they're at

00:16:59.880 in their relationships

00:17:00.820 with women

00:17:01.420 or they're like,

00:17:02.440 you know,

00:17:03.160 racists and shit

00:17:04.300 and they,

00:17:04.760 you know,

00:17:06.200 like to say things

00:17:07.260 about me and my life

00:17:08.540 and stuff.

00:17:09.060 But I mean,

00:17:09.960 that's just where they are

00:17:11.200 and I don't give a fuck.

00:17:13.140 Yeah,

00:17:13.300 I don't.

00:17:13.820 I don't,

00:17:14.240 anybody like,

00:17:16.560 you know,

00:17:17.480 whenever I put something out,

00:17:18.620 I just,

00:17:19.020 I read until the first

00:17:20.140 negative comment

00:17:20.820 and then I do the math.

00:17:22.360 All right,

00:17:22.720 there was like 12 good ones

00:17:23.960 and one bad one.

00:17:24.700 That's pretty good.

00:17:25.200 All right,

00:17:25.840 that's it.

00:17:26.260 And then I just,

00:17:26.820 I don't look at it

00:17:27.560 and I,

00:17:28.020 you know,

00:17:29.980 get on with my life.

00:17:31.300 Yeah.

00:17:31.940 Well,

00:17:32.200 this is what Joe was saying

00:17:33.200 to us is like,

00:17:33.960 man,

00:17:34.420 just stop reading the comments.

00:17:36.040 Just don't read the comments.

00:17:37.440 And I never used to understand it

00:17:38.980 because I was like,

00:17:39.600 yeah,

00:17:39.700 but you got to be able to hear,

00:17:41.140 you know,

00:17:41.440 the different sides

00:17:42.160 and then I realized

00:17:42.780 it's the internet,

00:17:43.900 you know.

00:17:44.960 Yeah.

00:17:45.260 And then like,

00:17:45.940 what I always noticed

00:17:46.920 when I was coming up,

00:17:49.080 you know,

00:17:49.240 when I was selling my CDs

00:17:50.480 or DVDs after the show

00:17:52.120 was that all the cool people

00:17:53.580 you wanted to talk to

00:17:54.540 and hang out with

00:17:55.440 were like,

00:17:56.000 I don't want to bug you

00:17:56.580 and they would leave

00:17:57.160 and all the idiots,

00:17:58.780 just annoying people

00:18:00.120 wanted to sit there

00:18:00.900 and talk your ear off

00:18:01.800 and like,

00:18:02.280 that's what the internet is.

00:18:03.840 All of those people,

00:18:04.720 not all,

00:18:05.100 but most of the people

00:18:06.240 commenting are those people

00:18:08.260 and the people

00:18:08.700 you really want to talk to

00:18:10.520 are not reaching out to you

00:18:12.360 or whatever.

00:18:13.500 They're just like,

00:18:14.040 like,

00:18:15.220 they'll just watch and be like,

00:18:16.120 I really enjoyed that.

00:18:17.200 We should go see him

00:18:18.080 when he comes to town

00:18:19.020 or I wasn't into that,

00:18:20.200 you know,

00:18:21.140 let's watch something else

00:18:22.220 and somebody,

00:18:25.400 some of them are funny though.

00:18:27.580 I saw one,

00:18:30.000 this person wrote,

00:18:31.320 and this is why

00:18:32.440 I can never like Bill Burr

00:18:34.680 and then they showed this clip

00:18:37.300 and what I loved

00:18:38.960 was there was no tweet above it

00:18:41.160 saying,

00:18:41.600 and why don't you like Bill Burr?

00:18:43.700 And it's just like,

00:18:44.640 and this is why,

00:18:45.520 like,

00:18:45.760 the whole world was waiting

00:18:47.280 like,

00:18:47.660 oh,

00:18:48.200 finally,

00:18:49.080 this person answered

00:18:50.800 why they don't like

00:18:51.680 this stupid fucking comedian

00:18:53.080 and the behavior

00:18:54.860 on social media,

00:18:55.740 you know,

00:18:56.040 they're always coming at people

00:18:57.040 in the public eye

00:18:57.820 saying,

00:18:58.240 oh,

00:18:58.360 you know,

00:18:58.540 these celebrities

00:18:59.180 are this and that,

00:18:59.980 that,

00:19:00.360 the fucking behavior

00:19:01.440 of the average person,

00:19:02.660 like,

00:19:03.160 they're wound up in it too.

00:19:04.720 They live in their own little TV

00:19:06.340 and this is why

00:19:07.900 and everybody's supposed to be like,

00:19:09.560 oh my God,

00:19:10.640 that's so fucking,

00:19:11.720 profound.

00:19:13.520 It was commenting on,

00:19:14.580 because when I,

00:19:15.100 I did Conan,

00:19:16.780 right,

00:19:17.160 like the day after Trump

00:19:18.760 got elected

00:19:19.340 and it was like a fucking funeral

00:19:20.720 out here in LA

00:19:21.560 and I got to go on this.

00:19:23.840 I'm like,

00:19:24.120 eh,

00:19:24.340 it's not going to be that bad,

00:19:25.420 you know,

00:19:25.680 eh,

00:19:25.900 you know what's going to happen

00:19:26.660 or whatever,

00:19:27.020 you know,

00:19:27.380 just trying to put his positive

00:19:28.700 spin on it

00:19:29.300 and they were saying

00:19:30.680 that's the reason why

00:19:31.640 that they don't,

00:19:32.240 they don't like me

00:19:32.900 and it's just like,

00:19:33.860 I got a buddy of mine,

00:19:35.100 Joe Bartnick,

00:19:35.580 he says,

00:19:36.120 you know,

00:19:36.520 everybody acts like Trump

00:19:37.500 is the worst president ever.

00:19:39.200 He's like,

00:19:39.540 he's not,

00:19:40.180 he's not,

00:19:40.640 he's like George W. Bush,

00:19:41.880 he goes,

00:19:42.260 we had a $20 trillion surplus

00:19:44.360 and this guy started

00:19:45.900 two non-ending wars

00:19:47.300 and gave all the money

00:19:48.140 to his friends

00:19:48.780 and bankrupted us.

00:19:50.460 You know,

00:19:50.820 that's fucking wayward,

00:19:51.780 but they all do their shit.

00:19:53.620 Obama drone bombing weddings,

00:19:56.200 Clinton was the guy

00:19:57.020 who did that shit

00:19:57.660 with the bank

00:19:58.240 that made some jerk off,

00:19:59.860 you know,

00:20:00.500 working at a subway

00:20:01.360 qualified to get a loan

00:20:03.200 for a $400,000 house

00:20:04.900 which created that whole thing

00:20:06.360 in 2008.

00:20:07.880 You just keep going back.

00:20:08.780 I think the only,

00:20:09.340 like,

00:20:10.800 the only,

00:20:11.380 like,

00:20:11.680 truly,

00:20:14.100 like,

00:20:14.360 good person,

00:20:15.180 like,

00:20:15.340 human being,

00:20:15.980 I feel,

00:20:17.020 that's been president

00:20:17.700 in my lifetime

00:20:18.240 is Jimmy Carter

00:20:19.020 and you see him,

00:20:19.940 the guy's in his 90s,

00:20:20.780 he's still,

00:20:21.480 you know,

00:20:22.260 building houses

00:20:23.020 for the homeless.

00:20:23.720 He's out there

00:20:24.080 swinging a hammer,

00:20:24.780 like,

00:20:24.940 everybody else

00:20:25.520 just goes off

00:20:26.680 and buys land

00:20:27.920 that sits on an aquifer

00:20:29.160 because they're,

00:20:29.840 like,

00:20:29.880 you know,

00:20:30.440 like,

00:20:30.860 I guess betting

00:20:31.420 on global warming.

00:20:32.500 Is that what you do

00:20:33.280 as a world leader?

00:20:35.060 And this guy's actually

00:20:36.100 out there trying

00:20:36.680 to help people

00:20:37.360 and it's funny,

00:20:39.140 I remember when I was a kid

00:20:40.180 he was considered weak.

00:20:42.100 That was the thing

00:20:43.120 because he didn't,

00:20:46.000 you know,

00:20:46.560 start a war with Iran.

00:20:47.820 I remember that

00:20:48.220 because of the hostage thing

00:20:49.440 and he was able to,

00:20:51.040 you know,

00:20:52.480 I don't know.

00:20:53.340 I don't know.

00:20:53.860 I just see,

00:20:54.400 like,

00:20:54.920 he was,

00:20:55.380 we should have kept that guy.

00:20:57.180 Forever.

00:20:58.260 Well,

00:20:58.680 I mean,

00:20:59.480 I don't know.

00:21:00.040 Who knows?

00:21:00.460 Maybe if he was in too long

00:21:01.500 he'd start to be a lunatic,

00:21:02.720 but,

00:21:02.980 like,

00:21:03.520 that guy just seems like,

00:21:04.780 you know.

00:21:06.800 Bill,

00:21:07.220 coming back to what you said

00:21:08.160 about going on Conan

00:21:09.060 on the day after Trump

00:21:10.480 gets elected,

00:21:11.160 one of the things

00:21:11.560 I always liked

00:21:12.060 about your comedy

00:21:12.700 is you always try

00:21:14.060 and take the opposite side

00:21:15.340 to whatever,

00:21:16.180 not always,

00:21:16.820 but often you take

00:21:17.600 the opposite side

00:21:18.200 to whatever the mainstream thing is

00:21:19.760 because that's your instinct

00:21:20.860 as a comic.

00:21:21.440 Where do you get that from?

00:21:23.820 Pushing people away.

00:21:29.140 This is like a therapy session

00:21:30.740 right here.

00:21:31.220 Oh,

00:21:31.400 no,

00:21:31.800 I figured my know-how,

00:21:33.540 I understand myself now.

00:21:35.460 No,

00:21:35.640 that's all that was,

00:21:37.480 was pushing people away

00:21:38.800 because then if I'm alone

00:21:39.660 no one can hurt me.

00:21:40.420 So that literally that

00:21:41.260 and just filters

00:21:42.040 into your comedy

00:21:42.940 and then,

00:21:43.960 yeah,

00:21:44.120 a bit of a contrarian.

00:21:45.800 It's like,

00:21:46.440 no,

00:21:46.960 it's just like,

00:21:48.000 look,

00:21:48.220 anybody who's a comedian,

00:21:49.700 a really funny one,

00:21:50.700 had something really

00:21:51.400 fucked up happen to him

00:21:52.460 or a bunch of fucked up

00:21:53.660 things happen to him.

00:21:54.500 So,

00:21:55.120 it's like,

00:21:55.900 you're sort of,

00:21:56.760 you know,

00:22:00.340 I guess reactive.

00:22:01.480 I don't know what it is,

00:22:02.240 but you,

00:22:02.540 you,

00:22:02.800 you,

00:22:03.200 it filters into what you do.

00:22:06.640 So,

00:22:07.540 it's not like,

00:22:10.420 it's like a conscious choice

00:22:11.540 as much as it became a,

00:22:13.780 really a defense thing.

00:22:15.500 And then when you get on,

00:22:16.340 on a comedy stage,

00:22:17.720 it becomes actually

00:22:19.160 not what you wanted,

00:22:20.400 but you're just ingrained in that.

00:22:22.120 Like,

00:22:22.240 I'm going to say

00:22:22.740 what you don't want me to say

00:22:24.120 and,

00:22:25.660 and I'm doing it

00:22:26.520 because offstage me does that

00:22:28.140 and then people just sort of

00:22:29.140 fuck off and leave you alone.

00:22:31.180 And then when you're on stage,

00:22:32.500 they're not leaving

00:22:33.100 and then they start heckling you.

00:22:34.340 It's like,

00:22:34.580 oh,

00:22:34.680 this isn't what I wanted.

00:22:35.720 I wanted them to like me.

00:22:37.320 So,

00:22:38.300 yeah,

00:22:39.760 there is,

00:22:40.300 there's all of that shit.

00:22:41.620 There's a lot of that.

00:22:43.580 You talk a lot about masculinity

00:22:45.280 in your current special.

00:22:47.300 Why is it that you talk about it

00:22:48.980 so much now?

00:22:49.840 Was it because of the-

00:22:50.320 I never talked about masculinity.

00:22:51.720 I talked about myself.

00:22:53.140 Oh,

00:22:53.400 okay,

00:22:53.720 right.

00:22:53.940 And then you're rebranding it

00:22:55.320 as masculinity.

00:22:56.840 Okay.

00:22:57.160 I'm just glad you didn't say toxic.

00:23:01.320 But,

00:23:01.780 you know,

00:23:02.100 the reason I guess

00:23:03.000 why I spoke about masculinity

00:23:04.300 is because it's a lot of,

00:23:05.920 a lot of things

00:23:06.880 that men connect with,

00:23:07.900 you know,

00:23:08.040 that feeling,

00:23:08.720 you know,

00:23:08.960 of anger,

00:23:09.880 you know,

00:23:10.600 the relationship

00:23:11.520 with the father,

00:23:12.620 not being able to process that,

00:23:14.200 having kids,

00:23:15.040 being a dad and going,

00:23:16.260 oh,

00:23:16.400 I don't want to pass

00:23:17.260 this stuff onto my kid.

00:23:18.820 Right.

00:23:19.600 I'm sure my dad thought that.

00:23:21.300 I think,

00:23:21.740 man,

00:23:22.000 my kids will think that.

00:23:23.340 There's always stuff

00:23:24.060 that you're going to like,

00:23:26.340 you know,

00:23:27.160 you're going to make mistakes.

00:23:28.400 I just think the big thing

00:23:31.140 is apologizing to him

00:23:32.580 and addressing

00:23:34.020 in the moment

00:23:34.920 that you did it,

00:23:35.980 that you messed up

00:23:36.980 and that you're really sorry.

00:23:38.820 And then I go back to it

00:23:39.740 two or three times.

00:23:42.800 I did that.

00:23:43.460 I messed up the other day

00:23:44.200 with my daughter

00:23:44.780 and then I was saying,

00:23:46.920 I can't believe I did that.

00:23:48.140 I'm really,

00:23:48.520 the third time I apologized.

00:23:49.820 I was like,

00:23:50.460 it makes me sad

00:23:51.640 that I did that.

00:23:52.260 And she was like,

00:23:52.780 I don't want you to be sad.

00:23:54.460 I was just like,

00:23:55.240 all right,

00:23:55.460 it's good.

00:23:56.000 We're good now.

00:23:56.860 Yeah,

00:23:57.000 it was really cute.

00:23:57.620 I became a dad

00:23:59.000 a few months ago,

00:23:59.760 so I haven't got

00:24:00.360 to that stage yet.

00:24:01.500 How has that changed you,

00:24:02.780 the experience of being,

00:24:03.820 becoming a father

00:24:04.480 and being a father?

00:24:07.720 Oh God,

00:24:08.360 I actually,

00:24:09.120 the thing I learned

00:24:09.980 is like,

00:24:10.840 you know,

00:24:11.060 you think,

00:24:11.540 you know,

00:24:11.720 you buy some huge house

00:24:14.260 and they have all the toys

00:24:15.340 and then you're going

00:24:15.960 to have like this,

00:24:17.260 you're going to raise

00:24:17.900 a good empathetic person.

00:24:19.400 It's not how it works.

00:24:20.380 It's like,

00:24:20.800 you can give them

00:24:21.500 everything in the world.

00:24:22.360 The one,

00:24:22.720 the biggest thing

00:24:23.500 that they need

00:24:24.020 is your time.

00:24:25.820 So if you're busy,

00:24:27.240 like everybody

00:24:27.820 in this business is,

00:24:30.120 you have to say no

00:24:31.920 to stuff

00:24:32.380 and you have to like,

00:24:34.620 you know,

00:24:34.920 like my big thing

00:24:35.660 was I went on,

00:24:37.200 you know,

00:24:37.700 everything has an app now.

00:24:39.200 Like my daughter's school

00:24:40.140 has an app,

00:24:40.780 so I just looked up

00:24:41.540 when's her fall break,

00:24:42.900 when's the Christmas break,

00:24:44.080 when's February,

00:24:44.800 when's April,

00:24:45.240 and I just sent that

00:24:46.660 to everybody.

00:24:47.280 I'm not working

00:24:48.000 these weeks.

00:24:49.220 So,

00:24:49.900 you know,

00:24:53.260 yeah,

00:24:55.280 she said some like

00:24:55.980 heartbreaking shit to me.

00:24:57.160 Like kids just,

00:24:57.900 kids really get to like,

00:24:59.200 you know,

00:24:59.540 I shot a movie

00:25:00.340 earlier this year

00:25:01.560 and she's like,

00:25:03.260 dad,

00:25:03.440 can you,

00:25:03.920 you know,

00:25:04.420 can you hang out

00:25:04.960 with me today?

00:25:05.420 And I was like,

00:25:05.860 ah,

00:25:06.020 you know,

00:25:06.340 I go,

00:25:06.700 I got to work today.

00:25:07.400 She's like,

00:25:07.780 ah,

00:25:07.980 and I said,

00:25:08.280 no,

00:25:08.760 I go,

00:25:09.240 I got two more days

00:25:10.300 left in this movie.

00:25:11.920 And she goes,

00:25:13.040 she goes,

00:25:14.920 I don't like

00:25:15.320 when you do movies.

00:25:16.240 I was like,

00:25:16.640 I don't like it.

00:25:17.220 I go,

00:25:17.500 I don't like it either.

00:25:18.340 And then she goes,

00:25:19.400 I go,

00:25:19.740 but I'm done in two days.

00:25:20.860 And she goes,

00:25:21.520 good,

00:25:21.760 then you can play

00:25:22.380 with me forever.

00:25:23.740 And I was like,

00:25:24.340 ah.

00:25:26.420 And you just walk out

00:25:27.440 like,

00:25:27.680 I am the worst parent.

00:25:28.660 But it's just like,

00:25:29.380 this is how I fucking

00:25:30.660 pay for our life.

00:25:32.700 So I have to go

00:25:33.680 do this shit.

00:25:34.180 So,

00:25:34.740 like those things,

00:25:38.120 you have to let

00:25:38.780 those things land

00:25:39.700 and sit in the pain

00:25:41.260 of them and be like,

00:25:42.200 all right,

00:25:42.480 I need to make sure I do.

00:25:43.620 And then it's like,

00:25:44.340 I'm going to have

00:25:45.020 to go to work.

00:25:46.520 So I just have to make

00:25:47.560 sure I don't work.

00:25:48.880 I got to have that balance

00:25:50.060 of,

00:25:50.740 you know,

00:25:52.200 keeping the lights on

00:25:53.060 and then like,

00:25:53.620 like being there.

00:25:54.320 But like,

00:25:54.820 I am there a lot though.

00:25:56.320 That is the great thing

00:25:57.000 about this job is like,

00:25:58.020 I kind of work

00:25:58.620 when I want to work.

00:26:00.600 It's just once every two weeks,

00:26:02.040 I go away for three days,

00:26:03.500 you know,

00:26:04.260 on,

00:26:04.740 you know,

00:26:04.980 some sort of gig or whatever.

00:26:05.860 But I don't do anything longer

00:26:06.760 than like three,

00:26:07.420 three,

00:26:07.640 four days.

00:26:08.500 I was going to ask you,

00:26:09.540 you know,

00:26:10.100 neither Francis or I

00:26:11.240 grew up with a lot of money.

00:26:12.260 So we have like a lot of drive,

00:26:14.960 you know,

00:26:15.520 that's how I feel about it.

00:26:17.240 And I,

00:26:17.780 the one thing him

00:26:18.440 and I always talk about

00:26:19.200 with kids is like

00:26:19.920 not raising them

00:26:20.740 to be spoiled brats

00:26:21.720 when they've got,

00:26:22.700 you know,

00:26:22.940 this or whatever they've got.

00:26:24.680 Do you,

00:26:25.020 do you worry about that?

00:26:28.160 Yeah,

00:26:28.600 a little bit,

00:26:29.620 but like,

00:26:30.700 it's not,

00:26:35.740 you know,

00:26:36.720 we just like laugh a lot

00:26:39.540 and we're always joking around

00:26:40.700 and we're just like,

00:26:41.880 you know,

00:26:43.040 both my kids,

00:26:43.720 my wife's hilarious

00:26:44.500 and there's just a lot

00:26:45.600 of joking around

00:26:46.340 and laughing

00:26:46.940 and things aren't really

00:26:48.500 like serious.

00:26:49.160 so I think

00:26:51.320 if you sort of

00:26:52.400 raise them,

00:26:56.080 you don't hold them

00:26:56.740 accountable

00:26:57.220 and then also

00:26:58.000 if you're,

00:26:58.360 if you're into like

00:26:59.160 the status

00:26:59.900 of having money

00:27:00.800 and we need to join

00:27:02.240 this country club

00:27:03.120 and you should hang out

00:27:04.060 with their kids

00:27:04.760 and marry into that family

00:27:05.980 and do that,

00:27:06.480 that shit,

00:27:07.140 you know.

00:27:07.820 I think maybe that,

00:27:08.940 I don't know,

00:27:09.820 this is my first time

00:27:10.760 doing this

00:27:11.160 so I have no idea.

00:27:11.940 I think,

00:27:12.380 you know,

00:27:13.680 but my kids are really,

00:27:15.040 they're amazing.

00:27:16.800 They're really funny.

00:27:17.540 They're very happy

00:27:18.360 and they know they're loved

00:27:19.420 and they're very secure

00:27:21.460 and,

00:27:22.340 you know,

00:27:24.220 it's fun.

00:27:24.600 It's just,

00:27:24.940 you know,

00:27:25.120 whatever they get into,

00:27:26.040 you just sort of,

00:27:26.500 all right,

00:27:26.900 you know,

00:27:27.140 you kind of nudge them

00:27:27.820 and see how long

00:27:28.580 it's tracks

00:27:30.280 but,

00:27:30.860 you know,

00:27:31.320 it's a hard thing

00:27:31.820 if they're getting into

00:27:32.560 something that you're into

00:27:33.360 and then they sound

00:27:34.300 not into it anymore

00:27:35.280 and you gotta be like,

00:27:36.480 come on, man.

00:27:38.440 Do you not worry

00:27:39.040 that they're gonna want

00:27:41.860 to go into show business

00:27:42.900 and you having seen

00:27:43.960 like the way show business is

00:27:45.660 and...

00:27:46.380 No,

00:27:46.700 show business is awesome.

00:27:48.280 Like,

00:27:48.640 none of us have a real job.

00:27:49.620 What are we doing right now?

00:27:50.940 I'm just letting you say,

00:27:51.780 what is today?

00:27:52.340 Today's Tuesday?

00:27:53.280 Yeah.

00:27:53.820 Yeah.

00:27:54.460 Oh,

00:27:54.680 we got jackets on

00:27:55.500 and we're talking.

00:27:57.000 This isn't a fucking real job.

00:27:59.200 As opposed to like

00:28:00.280 the job that I had.

00:28:02.540 It's true.

00:28:03.360 It's so true.

00:28:03.520 Yeah,

00:28:03.740 when I had like a day job,

00:28:04.900 I fucking,

00:28:05.560 I hated going to work.

00:28:06.740 Yeah.

00:28:06.980 I had a blast coming over here.

00:28:08.840 I was listening to my music.

00:28:10.220 Yeah.

00:28:10.740 You know,

00:28:11.080 listening to,

00:28:11.540 you know,

00:28:11.760 doing my little French lessons

00:28:13.080 and shit in the car.

00:28:13.960 That's what I do in the car.

00:28:14.800 And I,

00:28:15.120 you know,

00:28:15.320 come over here.

00:28:17.300 You know,

00:28:17.620 it's just like,

00:28:18.340 this business is a great business.

00:28:20.200 It's,

00:28:20.420 you just have to,

00:28:21.880 there is a part of it though

00:28:22.880 when you start getting

00:28:23.940 to be like,

00:28:25.900 there's a certain level of success

00:28:27.060 that you hit

00:28:27.600 that you really have to watch out

00:28:29.060 that they don't burn you out

00:28:30.720 because it just becomes like,

00:28:32.600 oh,

00:28:32.740 then all of a sudden,

00:28:33.380 you know,

00:28:33.580 nobody was calling you

00:28:34.560 and then too many people

00:28:36.140 are calling you

00:28:36.800 and you're just,

00:28:37.660 you know,

00:28:37.920 how you make it

00:28:38.860 is like,

00:28:39.780 you know,

00:28:40.120 hey,

00:28:40.300 will you drive

00:28:40.740 in the middle of nowhere

00:28:41.660 to do this shit hole?

00:28:42.500 Yes,

00:28:43.100 yes.

00:28:43.340 So you just,

00:28:43.800 so you got to get out

00:28:45.460 of that mindset

00:28:46.080 and kind of be like,

00:28:47.400 all right.

00:28:47.940 Yeah,

00:28:48.140 especially when you have like,

00:28:49.040 when I have like kids and stuff.

00:28:50.100 So I shot a movie

00:28:52.400 that I wrote

00:28:53.320 with a buddy of mine,

00:28:53.960 Ben Tischler

00:28:54.400 from Miramax

00:28:55.140 and ended up getting talked

00:28:58.820 into directing it too

00:28:59.980 and simply because

00:29:01.460 we were coming out of COVID

00:29:03.660 for the 90th millionth time

00:29:05.140 and projects were starting

00:29:06.900 to go again

00:29:08.140 and just everyone,

00:29:09.780 all the directors

00:29:10.400 were taken up.

00:29:11.880 Everyone was like,

00:29:13.240 you know,

00:29:13.920 no one was free.

00:29:15.540 Everybody had a project

00:29:16.820 that they said

00:29:17.420 that they were going to do

00:29:18.080 over the last year

00:29:18.840 and a half or whatever.

00:29:20.540 So,

00:29:21.040 and then it was just like,

00:29:22.240 all right,

00:29:22.480 if we don't get a director soon,

00:29:23.680 it's going to go away

00:29:24.540 and they just kept coming back

00:29:25.820 going,

00:29:26.000 you want to do it?

00:29:26.460 And I was like,

00:29:27.020 and then I finally just went,

00:29:28.200 all right,

00:29:28.680 I'll do it.

00:29:29.780 And I'm so happy I did it

00:29:31.300 even though it was,

00:29:32.060 it was a ton of work

00:29:32.840 and everything.

00:29:33.460 But like,

00:29:35.500 but after this movie,

00:29:36.940 like I'm not,

00:29:37.640 I'm just doing standup

00:29:38.400 for the rest of the year.

00:29:39.140 So when I'll finish this movie

00:29:40.120 sometime like September

00:29:42.320 or October,

00:29:43.160 it'll be delivered

00:29:45.000 and all of that.

00:29:45.760 And then like,

00:29:47.400 I'm just not doing shit.

00:29:49.600 I'm watching football.

00:29:51.060 I'm hanging out with my kids.

00:29:53.100 I'm not doing,

00:29:54.540 you know,

00:29:55.160 I got my standup dates,

00:29:56.140 but that's not work.

00:29:57.060 That's just fun.

00:29:58.200 Yeah.

00:29:59.100 A lot of people

00:30:00.200 would look at you

00:30:01.700 and widely regard you

00:30:02.940 as probably one of the best comics

00:30:04.140 of your generation,

00:30:05.400 right?

00:30:05.640 And whether you accept that or not,

00:30:07.420 that's how a lot of people see you.

00:30:08.760 I don't accept it.

00:30:09.540 I resent you.

00:30:14.080 The both of us would certainly.

00:30:15.480 Yeah.

00:30:16.060 How do you get to be

00:30:17.360 that good at something?

00:30:19.040 What do you sacrifice?

00:30:20.320 Do you see what I mean?

00:30:21.060 Like to get to that level?

00:30:25.300 You don't really sacrifice anything.

00:30:27.240 You just sort of,

00:30:28.180 it becomes,

00:30:29.640 I just think it becomes

00:30:31.420 a game within yourself

00:30:32.680 where you,

00:30:33.940 and when you,

00:30:34.540 as a young comic

00:30:35.520 and just like a young person,

00:30:38.120 you know,

00:30:38.400 all of a sudden

00:30:38.720 you're out in the world

00:30:39.440 and you're like,

00:30:39.740 what's everybody doing?

00:30:40.840 Oh, they're wearing that jacket.

00:30:41.860 I got to wear that jacket.

00:30:42.700 It's very,

00:30:43.540 you're looking like that.

00:30:45.900 And then,

00:30:46.740 you know,

00:30:47.280 then you gradually

00:30:48.000 start to figure out,

00:30:48.940 well,

00:30:49.500 you know,

00:30:49.920 I did that.

00:30:50.620 I'm doing what other people

00:30:51.700 are doing

00:30:52.160 and I'm not getting anywhere

00:30:54.760 and I'm not happy.

00:30:56.260 So then hopefully

00:30:57.200 you get to a point of like,

00:30:58.240 all right,

00:30:58.480 well,

00:30:58.600 if I'm not going to make it,

00:31:00.120 I'm at least not going to make it

00:31:01.740 saying what I want to say.

00:31:03.580 And then you go down that road

00:31:05.820 and then down that road,

00:31:06.920 it becomes,

00:31:08.340 you know,

00:31:09.700 I keep doing this thing

00:31:10.860 or I know I can do that

00:31:11.960 and I'm not able to do it on stage.

00:31:13.980 And you just work on your game

00:31:15.960 like the way an athlete would.

00:31:17.140 Like,

00:31:17.280 if you can't go to your left,

00:31:18.140 start going to your left.

00:31:19.880 Yeah,

00:31:20.080 you know,

00:31:20.460 and...

00:31:21.380 Bill,

00:31:22.060 what was that moment for you

00:31:23.160 when you were like,

00:31:24.140 well,

00:31:24.340 fuck it,

00:31:24.740 if I'm not going to get anywhere,

00:31:26.400 at least I'll do it my way.

00:31:28.460 What happened?

00:31:29.300 Like,

00:31:29.520 was there a moment like that?

00:31:31.060 Was it gradual?

00:31:31.860 Yeah,

00:31:31.980 it was 1999.

00:31:34.400 And,

00:31:34.760 see,

00:31:37.580 I'd come out here,

00:31:38.360 I'd gotten an acting gig,

00:31:41.420 made a little bit of money

00:31:42.460 and then it went away.

00:31:44.220 I basically went from nobody,

00:31:46.060 got an acting gig on a show

00:31:47.300 and then we got canceled

00:31:48.220 all in like six months.

00:31:49.680 It was like,

00:31:50.260 boom,

00:31:50.660 and then slammed back down

00:31:51.660 to the ground

00:31:52.160 and then not getting spots

00:31:54.340 and then my whole

00:31:55.680 focus got shifted

00:31:59.240 because people were looking me

00:32:00.620 as a guy who used to be

00:32:02.520 on a TV show

00:32:03.340 or at least I thought they were.

00:32:04.900 They probably didn't give a fuck.

00:32:06.520 But in my head,

00:32:07.560 everybody cared.

00:32:08.400 I was like that tweet

00:32:09.220 and this is why

00:32:10.360 everyone,

00:32:11.580 you know,

00:32:11.720 this is why

00:32:12.400 I don't like Bill.

00:32:13.120 So I was in that mindset.

00:32:15.000 So,

00:32:15.120 yeah,

00:32:16.520 somewhere around 99,

00:32:17.540 I was just like,

00:32:20.460 this is a brutal place to live

00:32:23.220 when you have nothing going on.

00:32:24.320 LA is fucking brutal.

00:32:26.780 So,

00:32:27.560 I was just sitting there

00:32:28.800 and I thought,

00:32:30.800 all right,

00:32:31.220 why the fuck

00:32:31.920 did I get in this business?

00:32:33.500 I got in this business

00:32:34.460 because I wanted to be a comedian.

00:32:35.680 I wanted to be a great comedian.

00:32:37.060 I wanted to be a comedian

00:32:37.720 that other comedians respected

00:32:39.000 and said nice things about.

00:32:41.120 I never had a desire

00:32:42.520 to do any of this acting bullshit.

00:32:44.620 This just fucking happened

00:32:45.720 because I went on an audition

00:32:47.020 because that's what

00:32:48.060 people in New York

00:32:49.580 and out here

00:32:50.520 were doing with comedians.

00:32:51.500 Oh,

00:32:51.660 have you going to read

00:32:52.380 for this sitcom or whatever?

00:32:54.400 So,

00:32:55.000 then I moved back.

00:32:56.980 I just said,

00:32:57.960 fuck this.

00:32:59.000 I'm going back to New York

00:33:00.200 and there was things

00:33:00.940 that I wanted to do.

00:33:01.800 There was a show

00:33:02.680 at the old Boston Comedy Club

00:33:05.860 on Sunday night.

00:33:07.740 It was the Uptown show

00:33:09.480 which was the black show,

00:33:10.520 right?

00:33:11.420 All the black comics

00:33:12.200 or whatever.

00:33:12.560 It was run by

00:33:13.160 Will Silvins

00:33:14.120 and James Tallon Harris

00:33:16.300 and I always wanted

00:33:17.160 to do that room.

00:33:18.760 Not that room.

00:33:19.540 I always wanted to go

00:33:20.740 in front of a crowd like that

00:33:21.940 because I grew up

00:33:23.060 listening to all these albums

00:33:24.660 and one of the albums

00:33:25.300 I listened to

00:33:25.860 was all the Richard Pryor ones

00:33:27.640 and his albums

00:33:28.740 were so live sounding

00:33:30.720 that you could just,

00:33:31.760 you know,

00:33:33.020 not only like the characters

00:33:34.360 he did,

00:33:34.700 I have a picture

00:33:35.660 of what they look like

00:33:36.540 the people in the crowd

00:33:37.560 like certain louder laughs.

00:33:39.000 I know what everybody

00:33:39.540 looks like

00:33:40.020 and I just,

00:33:43.480 I don't know why

00:33:44.040 I just,

00:33:45.040 because I was listening

00:33:45.760 to him so much

00:33:46.660 that was what a crowd

00:33:47.640 looked like.

00:33:49.180 That was kind of weird.

00:33:50.800 Some white kid

00:33:51.420 in the middle of the suburbs.

00:33:52.320 So,

00:33:52.960 then I came down

00:33:54.540 to New York one time

00:33:55.520 with the late,

00:33:57.340 great Patrice O'Neill

00:33:58.220 and New York

00:33:59.320 was already freaking out

00:34:00.480 about this guy,

00:34:02.480 Patrice O'Neill

00:34:03.040 from Boston.

00:34:03.540 So,

00:34:03.820 I tagged along

00:34:04.580 like his fucking chauffeur

00:34:06.420 and they brought us down.

00:34:09.780 He went over to

00:34:10.820 Sunday night

00:34:11.760 at the Boston

00:34:12.400 and I just remember

00:34:14.080 going in there

00:34:15.000 and it was just like

00:34:16.700 total like culture shock.

00:34:18.040 Like,

00:34:18.200 I had never been

00:34:18.880 in a room

00:34:20.040 where I was just like

00:34:20.600 the only white guy

00:34:21.280 and there's like 300,

00:34:22.300 you know,

00:34:22.580 black people

00:34:23.000 and I was just like,

00:34:24.280 it was amazing

00:34:25.640 and also I was like scared

00:34:26.960 and all this type of shit

00:34:28.000 and I remember

00:34:28.960 I saw Chris Tucker

00:34:29.820 went up

00:34:30.280 right before Fridays came out

00:34:31.780 and I was like,

00:34:32.080 I don't know who the fuck

00:34:32.720 that is

00:34:33.100 but that guy

00:34:33.660 is amazing.

00:34:35.280 He's,

00:34:35.580 you know,

00:34:35.900 and I remember thinking

00:34:37.800 like just knowing,

00:34:38.920 I was like,

00:34:39.160 I know I can do this room.

00:34:40.460 I just can't do it now

00:34:41.460 because I'm scared.

00:34:42.300 So,

00:34:42.660 I had to like,

00:34:44.440 you know,

00:34:44.660 and that was like 95.

00:34:45.720 It wasn't until 99

00:34:46.560 that I moved back

00:34:47.460 and I said,

00:34:47.860 fuck this.

00:34:49.180 I'm just going to go down

00:34:50.040 and do that.

00:34:50.420 I started doing those shows.

00:34:52.660 I also started doing those shows

00:34:53.740 because other comics,

00:34:54.920 black comics would be like

00:34:55.940 saying that the people

00:34:56.880 in that room

00:34:57.320 are funnier

00:34:57.860 and those rooms are harder

00:35:00.400 and da-da-da-da-da.

00:35:01.560 It was,

00:35:01.840 you know,

00:35:02.040 it was fucking annoying me.

00:35:03.920 You know,

00:35:04.120 it's like you were like,

00:35:04.940 hey,

00:35:05.120 we won the championship

00:35:05.960 and they're like,

00:35:06.520 oh,

00:35:06.660 there's a team down the street

00:35:07.520 that could kick your ass

00:35:08.380 but they're not allowed

00:35:09.020 to leave.

00:35:09.500 And it's like,

00:35:09.860 ah,

00:35:10.060 fuck,

00:35:10.360 I got to go play them now.

00:35:11.240 So,

00:35:11.840 I went over there

00:35:13.040 and I just learned so much

00:35:14.560 about comedy

00:35:15.820 and,

00:35:17.800 you know,

00:35:18.920 there's an easy way

00:35:19.580 to do that room.

00:35:20.140 You go up there

00:35:20.600 and you're like,

00:35:21.080 you just play the fish

00:35:21.860 out of the water

00:35:22.380 like,

00:35:22.660 oh,

00:35:22.820 gee,

00:35:23.080 I'm the only white guy here

00:35:24.060 and oh boy,

00:35:24.600 am I nervous.

00:35:25.460 That's always going

00:35:26.200 to get a laugh

00:35:26.780 or you can actually

00:35:28.420 go up there

00:35:29.000 and talk about

00:35:30.480 what you want to talk about

00:35:31.420 and that was something

00:35:32.080 that I learned how to,

00:35:33.500 you know,

00:35:34.560 I was learning

00:35:35.400 how to do that

00:35:35.840 in the mainstream rooms

00:35:37.200 and then I learned

00:35:37.720 how to do it there

00:35:38.440 and then also by going

00:35:39.680 to all of those rooms,

00:35:41.780 the good thing

00:35:42.780 that happened to me

00:35:43.280 as a person was

00:35:44.120 it wasn't,

00:35:45.220 I didn't just see

00:35:46.200 like,

00:35:47.460 you know,

00:35:48.020 this is a crowd

00:35:48.920 full of black people.

00:35:50.540 You know,

00:35:50.800 when I first was there,

00:35:51.620 that's what I saw

00:35:52.260 and everybody I talked to,

00:35:53.200 that's all I saw.

00:35:55.060 because it was like

00:35:55.520 just so different

00:35:56.040 from it,

00:35:56.860 it became like

00:35:57.840 you start to see

00:35:59.220 individuals

00:35:59.880 and then you start

00:36:01.580 to see,

00:36:03.040 you know,

00:36:03.340 at first you go

00:36:04.000 super liberal

00:36:04.720 where you're just like,

00:36:05.860 oh,

00:36:06.040 wow,

00:36:06.240 everybody here is cool

00:36:07.200 and then once you start

00:36:07.880 to see,

00:36:08.620 then once you start

00:36:09.440 to go individually

00:36:10.560 like,

00:36:11.400 oh,

00:36:11.580 this guy's like

00:36:12.260 my white friend Mark

00:36:13.200 who's a piece of shit

00:36:14.180 and then,

00:36:15.300 oh,

00:36:15.520 this person's like

00:36:16.280 my friend Doug

00:36:17.040 who's a great guy,

00:36:17.800 you know,

00:36:18.000 so it's just like,

00:36:19.560 then,

00:36:20.260 you know,

00:36:20.720 I feel like

00:36:21.520 that's a huge

00:36:24.040 thing,

00:36:25.500 a huge experience

00:36:28.440 that as a comedian

00:36:29.400 that you get

00:36:31.560 that other people don't.

00:36:34.020 I remember

00:36:34.400 I did stand-up

00:36:35.380 in India one time,

00:36:36.800 I did Mumbai,

00:36:37.920 India,

00:36:38.240 and afterwards

00:36:38.760 I hung out

00:36:40.420 with all of these comics

00:36:41.440 from the local scene

00:36:43.200 and we were sitting there

00:36:44.380 in this restaurant,

00:36:45.080 my wife got this great picture,

00:36:46.180 I was sitting there

00:36:46.680 and they were asking

00:36:47.140 all these questions

00:36:48.180 about stand-up

00:36:48.880 and it was the exact

00:36:49.740 same questions

00:36:51.140 that people ask here

00:36:52.280 and it was all sort of like,

00:36:54.480 you know,

00:36:54.620 how do you write your stuff,

00:36:55.840 how long did it take you

00:36:56.840 to start blah,

00:36:57.520 blah,

00:36:57.620 blah,

00:36:57.840 blah,

00:36:57.980 blah,

00:36:58.160 and then finally

00:36:58.940 one of them just goes,

00:37:00.280 all right,

00:37:01.200 who's the comic out there

00:37:02.740 that's selling

00:37:04.480 just a whole bunch

00:37:05.460 of tickets

00:37:05.960 and you have

00:37:06.700 no idea why

00:37:07.760 and I just started laughing

00:37:09.460 and I was just like,

00:37:10.660 wow,

00:37:11.580 that shit exists

00:37:12.920 over here

00:37:14.340 and you just see

00:37:15.000 like the,

00:37:15.900 you know,

00:37:16.460 the humanity

00:37:17.260 where it's just like,

00:37:19.240 yeah,

00:37:19.420 over here

00:37:20.180 you got the,

00:37:21.020 it's the exact same

00:37:22.420 people,

00:37:23.780 it's just,

00:37:24.300 you know,

00:37:25.580 things are different,

00:37:26.360 the clothes are different,

00:37:27.180 the language is different,

00:37:28.480 people look different,

00:37:29.460 the food's different

00:37:30.160 and all that

00:37:30.620 but like the basic thing,

00:37:33.100 you know,

00:37:33.300 there's good people,

00:37:34.400 there's,

00:37:34.760 you know,

00:37:35.060 people finagling,

00:37:36.440 you know,

00:37:36.840 and it's just kind of like,

00:37:38.700 so from Sunday night

00:37:40.220 to Boston,

00:37:40.820 I learn now

00:37:41.360 everywhere I go,

00:37:42.920 you know,

00:37:43.700 to try to see

00:37:47.440 the individual

00:37:48.060 and then try to make

00:37:49.100 the connection

00:37:49.600 to the person

00:37:50.260 I know here

00:37:50.960 to kind of gain

00:37:53.120 like a good person,

00:37:54.800 bad person

00:37:55.340 or like,

00:37:56.980 what's this person up to?

00:37:58.660 Is this just cool?

00:37:59.480 We talking comedy?

00:38:00.680 Is this person,

00:38:01.380 you know,

00:38:01.600 what's going on here?

00:38:02.640 So,

00:38:02.960 yeah,

00:38:05.360 it was all during that

00:38:09.200 time of discovery

00:38:10.100 was,

00:38:10.420 so I was making

00:38:11.080 all these leaps and bounds

00:38:12.080 as a comedian

00:38:12.660 but zero

00:38:14.100 as a person

00:38:15.400 because I felt like,

00:38:18.760 I think a lot of comics,

00:38:20.060 it's just like,

00:38:21.820 you know,

00:38:22.200 I'm broken

00:38:22.720 and I'm hurt

00:38:23.360 and I'm going to go on stage

00:38:24.560 and I'm going to do this

00:38:25.240 and people are going to laugh

00:38:26.100 and they're going to love me

00:38:26.900 and then I'm going to feel good

00:38:27.940 and everything's going to be fine

00:38:28.820 and then one day

00:38:30.000 you just realize

00:38:30.780 I got to turn around

00:38:31.940 and face all of this shit

00:38:33.420 the same way

00:38:34.800 anybody who doesn't do this job

00:38:36.640 has to

00:38:37.060 and yeah,

00:38:39.500 that's a fun 15 years.

00:38:40.780 Bill,

00:38:43.380 you mentioned Patrice.

00:38:45.340 Yep.

00:38:46.120 He's one of the greats.

00:38:47.180 What was he like

00:38:47.780 as a person

00:38:48.340 to be around?

00:38:55.040 He was,

00:38:55.760 he was,

00:38:56.420 he was everything.

00:38:58.020 Everything was on 10.

00:38:59.360 Everything was,

00:39:00.000 that guy was on 10.

00:39:01.160 If he was being cool,

00:39:03.800 he was the coolest guy

00:39:04.700 you ever met.

00:39:05.300 If he was being funny,

00:39:06.300 he was the funniest guy

00:39:07.060 you ever met.

00:39:07.480 If he was being an asshole,

00:39:08.740 you wanted to fucking kill him.

00:39:09.960 I still have arguments with him.

00:39:12.700 Like,

00:39:12.800 that's how,

00:39:13.480 like,

00:39:14.180 the level of this guy.

00:39:15.300 He's been dead for like

00:39:16.160 fucking 11,

00:39:17.800 coming up in 11 years.

00:39:18.620 I can't believe it.

00:39:19.280 But like,

00:39:20.180 this shit,

00:39:20.640 I'm still figuring out

00:39:21.420 that he crossed the line

00:39:22.560 and I'm,

00:39:22.900 because I was so like,

00:39:24.300 you know,

00:39:25.200 slow.

00:39:25.760 I wasn't up to what he was doing.

00:39:28.560 But,

00:39:29.100 you know,

00:39:32.080 I had all kinds of,

00:39:33.520 you know,

00:39:35.100 amazing conversations

00:39:36.180 just talking about life,

00:39:37.820 how we ended up

00:39:38.400 where we were at,

00:39:39.000 how the two of us

00:39:39.620 ended up being friends.

00:39:41.320 You know,

00:39:41.660 I'd fallen outs with them.

00:39:42.860 I just,

00:39:43.160 I had like everything.

00:39:44.440 I mean,

00:39:44.600 it was like a fucking

00:39:45.220 miniseries with that guy.

00:39:46.420 So there's no real way

00:39:47.620 to sum him up

00:39:49.120 in a few minutes.

00:39:50.660 But I will say that,

00:39:52.300 you know,

00:39:53.740 you know,

00:39:54.020 guys like him,

00:39:56.120 you know,

00:39:56.740 Mitch Hedberg,

00:39:57.460 Bernie Mac,

00:39:57.920 we've lost so many

00:39:58.600 like amazing people.

00:39:59.520 Like,

00:39:59.660 I often wonder like,

00:40:00.820 how many tickets

00:40:01.280 would I be selling

00:40:01.820 if these guys

00:40:02.380 were still around?

00:40:02.900 You know,

00:40:04.640 just one of those things.

00:40:06.040 That's another way

00:40:06.740 to make it live.

00:40:08.660 Keep living.

00:40:10.300 Did he influence

00:40:11.160 your comedy at all?

00:40:12.120 Did he ever say to you,

00:40:13.580 oh man,

00:40:13.960 you need to go

00:40:14.600 like this way

00:40:15.380 or that way?

00:40:17.040 He used to try

00:40:17.800 to do that to me

00:40:18.460 in the beginning,

00:40:19.240 which was funny,

00:40:21.140 which was classic him

00:40:22.140 because I'd actually

00:40:22.980 be doing stand-up

00:40:23.800 longer than him

00:40:24.520 and he'd been doing it.

00:40:26.120 He was already

00:40:26.700 pontificating.

00:40:29.780 But like,

00:40:30.780 the thing about him,

00:40:31.480 I remember him was

00:40:32.240 like early on,

00:40:33.420 he was challenging himself

00:40:34.820 like going on stage

00:40:35.780 and opening

00:40:36.140 with a different joke

00:40:36.960 and like when you're

00:40:37.520 a new comic,

00:40:38.100 when you first start,

00:40:38.840 like you're a new joke.

00:40:40.420 Your opening joke

00:40:41.240 is your life raft.

00:40:42.220 Yeah,

00:40:42.420 that's a risk.

00:40:42.860 And he was kind of

00:40:45.360 doing stuff like that,

00:40:46.340 but yeah,

00:40:51.460 he was,

00:40:52.140 you know,

00:40:52.600 it was,

00:40:53.420 we were both

00:40:54.180 two fucked up kids.

00:40:56.960 So we had,

00:40:57.740 you know,

00:40:59.100 good times,

00:40:59.760 bad times,

00:41:00.280 had to like fucking

00:41:00.920 take breaks

00:41:01.580 from each other.

00:41:02.300 I remember he used

00:41:02.680 to take breaks

00:41:03.280 from white people

00:41:03.920 in general.

00:41:05.120 And like,

00:41:05.720 I had to take breaks

00:41:06.480 from going down

00:41:07.000 to the cellar sometimes.

00:41:07.920 It's like,

00:41:08.280 I just don't want

00:41:08.660 to go down there

00:41:09.280 and just fucking

00:41:10.020 have to have

00:41:11.660 all my deflector shields

00:41:12.860 up and be fucking,

00:41:13.960 you know,

00:41:15.060 shooting claymores

00:41:15.960 over at everybody.

00:41:16.740 It was a fucking war.

00:41:17.920 It was so stupid.

00:41:19.280 It's really been

00:41:20.020 glamorized,

00:41:21.440 that table at the cellar,

00:41:22.620 but it was fucking,

00:41:24.000 what we did was stupid.

00:41:25.320 We just fucking were ripping.

00:41:26.420 It was funny,

00:41:27.080 but we never did

00:41:29.060 anything creatively.

00:41:30.460 I don't know.

00:41:31.820 The way we helped

00:41:32.880 each other

00:41:33.220 was actually coming

00:41:34.220 out of that.

00:41:34.840 It's really hard

00:41:35.560 to hurt my feelings.

00:41:37.540 Like,

00:41:37.980 I mean,

00:41:38.340 I can handle it.

00:41:40.180 Like,

00:41:40.640 it takes a lot.

00:41:43.420 It takes a lot.

00:41:45.980 So,

00:41:46.580 yeah,

00:41:49.120 but I,

00:41:49.660 I,

00:41:50.240 you know,

00:41:50.780 there's so many

00:41:51.580 of those comics,

00:41:52.840 you know,

00:41:54.800 that,

00:41:56.300 you know,

00:41:56.820 I'm still a fan

00:41:57.560 of stand-up

00:41:58.040 and I just,

00:41:59.160 you know,

00:42:00.760 miss,

00:42:02.220 besides them,

00:42:03.240 like,

00:42:04.180 like,

00:42:04.480 man,

00:42:04.640 what would they be

00:42:05.220 saying about this?

00:42:06.200 You know what I mean?

00:42:06.760 And like,

00:42:07.440 how great would

00:42:09.280 stand-up comedy be

00:42:10.660 if this,

00:42:12.140 like,

00:42:13.140 there's like 20 of them

00:42:14.440 that were,

00:42:16.620 you know,

00:42:18.400 better than I was

00:42:19.340 that Pat just seemed to,

00:42:20.560 I don't know.

00:42:20.940 I don't know what happened.

00:42:21.620 I don't know if I just got older

00:42:22.540 and I just knew people

00:42:23.380 and they were just all dying,

00:42:24.360 but like so many people

00:42:25.380 just passed away

00:42:26.140 that were just,

00:42:27.160 you know,

00:42:28.260 absolute beasts

00:42:29.240 and they were like

00:42:29.900 on their way

00:42:30.740 to something.

00:42:31.880 There was a kid,

00:42:32.560 I,

00:42:32.660 I don't know his name

00:42:34.200 because I just discovered him

00:42:35.500 when he passed away

00:42:37.380 sometime

00:42:37.660 and it just was heartbreaking

00:42:39.120 to see

00:42:39.640 this kid's stuff

00:42:41.560 and he was like 28

00:42:42.540 and the stuff he was doing

00:42:43.480 and the angle that he had,

00:42:44.760 I was just like,

00:42:45.480 oh man,

00:42:46.280 he,

00:42:47.380 yeah,

00:42:47.840 he was already great

00:42:48.680 but he was,

00:42:49.340 he was going to be somebody

00:42:50.440 that really had,

00:42:51.400 uh,

00:42:52.540 something to say.

00:42:53.940 Like he,

00:42:54.240 he would have been

00:42:54.920 great for stand-up.

00:42:57.640 Um,

00:42:58.560 so,

00:42:59.040 sucks.

00:42:59.860 Why do you think it is

00:43:00.720 that so many comics

00:43:01.740 die young?

00:43:06.300 Um,

00:43:07.880 I don't know,

00:43:08.540 I wonder that sometimes

00:43:09.480 is it,

00:43:10.160 aren't there just a bunch

00:43:10.960 of young people dying

00:43:11.780 that just,

00:43:12.180 they don't have like fans

00:43:13.600 so nobody notices?

00:43:15.120 I mean,

00:43:17.920 there's so many people

00:43:18.920 out there struggling

00:43:20.040 with drugs and stuff

00:43:21.000 that die.

00:43:21.900 You see all these billboards

00:43:22.900 and stuff,

00:43:23.240 you just don't know

00:43:24.720 their name

00:43:25.260 and never saw them

00:43:25.900 play a guitar

00:43:26.580 or tell you some jokes,

00:43:27.840 so,

00:43:28.140 uh,

00:43:28.620 But you don't think

00:43:29.180 there's the tortured artist

00:43:30.300 thing that,

00:43:31.420 you know,

00:43:31.680 people who are creative,

00:43:32.780 you talked about it,

00:43:33.720 the anger is what drives you

00:43:35.140 or the fucked up childhood

00:43:36.360 is what drives you

00:43:37.360 and a lot of those people

00:43:38.660 are then,

00:43:39.060 musicians are the same,

00:43:40.160 right?

00:43:40.440 You don't think

00:43:40.920 there's an element of that?

00:43:41.680 I think there is

00:43:43.580 but I think

00:43:43.980 it's also glamorized

00:43:45.080 and I also think

00:43:45.840 that it doesn't,

00:43:47.200 uh,

00:43:48.140 you're not in,

00:43:49.060 you know,

00:43:49.420 just because you have

00:43:49.900 a fucked up childhood

00:43:50.880 doesn't mean

00:43:51.380 you don't end up

00:43:52.060 becoming an architect,

00:43:53.300 you know what I mean?

00:43:54.320 So I think there's

00:43:54.880 a lot of,

00:43:55.880 um,

00:43:57.200 you know,

00:43:58.020 and then they make movies

00:43:58.880 about comedians

00:43:59.740 and they,

00:44:00.320 you know,

00:44:00.500 you have to raise the stakes,

00:44:01.840 you know,

00:44:02.060 we got to keep the ball moving,

00:44:03.480 you know,

00:44:04.300 so it's just because,

00:44:05.760 you know,

00:44:05.960 like,

00:44:06.640 that's why I used

00:44:07.060 that reference earlier,

00:44:07.840 I guess,

00:44:08.180 when I was talking

00:44:08.520 about God and his loft.

00:44:09.720 Yeah.

00:44:10.120 Because my idea of painters

00:44:11.240 is that they're all crazy

00:44:12.280 just,

00:44:12.620 you know,

00:44:13.380 cutting their fucking ears

00:44:14.180 off and shit

00:44:14.700 and it's just like,

00:44:15.840 or,

00:44:16.360 you know,

00:44:16.800 that's...

00:44:17.560 I'm married to an artist

00:44:18.540 that I don't know

00:44:19.120 how wrong that is,

00:44:19.900 man.

00:44:20.360 Yeah.

00:44:20.720 Yeah,

00:44:20.920 I think it's pretty bang on.

00:44:22.580 But,

00:44:22.780 but,

00:44:23.140 um...

00:44:23.640 We'll edit that out.

00:44:26.760 They're all a little bit,

00:44:27.760 you know,

00:44:28.120 as are we.

00:44:29.120 I think,

00:44:29.580 no,

00:44:29.720 but everybody is.

00:44:30.700 Everybody's a little

00:44:31.300 fucked up

00:44:32.200 and so you got to like...

00:44:34.220 Or is that just the story

00:44:35.120 we tell ourselves?

00:44:36.200 No,

00:44:36.340 no,

00:44:36.580 they are.

00:44:37.420 If you really kind of

00:44:38.180 pay attention to people,

00:44:38.800 everybody's got like a...

00:44:41.120 You know,

00:44:41.620 a thing that they're doing.

00:44:43.920 You know,

00:44:44.380 the person that laughs

00:44:45.260 after everything that they say

00:44:46.520 at like a party.

00:44:47.280 I mean,

00:44:47.400 they're just like wildly

00:44:48.480 insecure

00:44:49.740 and you know their mother

00:44:50.900 said something

00:44:51.700 that they're carrying

00:44:52.500 or just something.

00:44:54.160 And I just...

00:44:55.520 You know,

00:44:57.680 I just think their gift

00:44:58.540 is they know how to fix things

00:44:59.800 or design things

00:45:00.820 or they're in the medical field

00:45:01.940 and all of that.

00:45:02.520 I think that,

00:45:02.880 yeah,

00:45:03.020 like they're just like,

00:45:04.740 you know...

00:45:06.120 I can tell you like

00:45:07.720 everybody's like pilots

00:45:08.960 and all pilots,

00:45:09.920 there's something...

00:45:10.560 Pilots all got like a...

00:45:11.720 They're a little fucking nuts.

00:45:13.220 There's a reassuring thought.

00:45:14.320 No,

00:45:14.500 no,

00:45:14.680 no,

00:45:14.900 no,

00:45:15.000 but then they go up there.

00:45:19.220 Safe trip,

00:45:19.660 boys.

00:45:20.460 No,

00:45:20.720 they go up there

00:45:21.400 and then it makes sense

00:45:22.320 and everything that...

00:45:23.100 And then they're just like...

00:45:24.300 You got to be like laser focused

00:45:25.980 so all the bullshit

00:45:27.400 in your head quiets.

00:45:29.340 Yeah.

00:45:29.860 Yeah,

00:45:30.180 no,

00:45:30.380 you want a guy a little nuts

00:45:31.560 or a woman a little nuts.

00:45:33.880 I like a female pilot too

00:45:35.400 because I feel like...

00:45:37.220 Okay,

00:45:37.440 she went through...

00:45:37.980 She got that in there.

00:45:38.600 Well,

00:45:38.760 she went through

00:45:39.320 extra bullshit.

00:45:40.480 Yeah.

00:45:40.640 Like she definitely...

00:45:41.540 She had to do an extra

00:45:42.160 triple Lindy

00:45:42.820 with the fucking 747

00:45:45.040 to get up there

00:45:45.920 so I go the opposite route.

00:45:47.940 I got a few buddies of mine

00:45:48.880 just being like,

00:45:49.700 God,

00:45:50.140 they got a broad up there.

00:45:52.320 I'm like,

00:45:52.920 yeah,

00:45:53.360 and because of that

00:45:54.200 fucking mindset,

00:45:55.220 think about what she went through

00:45:56.160 to get there,

00:45:56.640 so...

00:45:57.640 You know,

00:45:58.660 a lot of people

00:45:59.480 use stand-up

00:46:00.300 as a springboard

00:46:01.180 to then become an actor,

00:46:02.560 to become a director

00:46:04.080 or whatever it may be,

00:46:05.760 but you've always

00:46:06.760 done stand-up.

00:46:08.640 Why is that?

00:46:09.240 Why did you never use it

00:46:10.300 as a stand-up?

00:46:10.920 Because,

00:46:11.220 you know,

00:46:11.360 you could do...

00:46:12.100 Well,

00:46:12.280 he does other stuff,

00:46:13.120 but you kept stand-up first,

00:46:15.240 right?

00:46:15.440 Yeah,

00:46:15.580 but you've always

00:46:16.200 gone back to stand-up.

00:46:17.980 Right.

00:46:18.860 Why is that?

00:46:21.160 Because I love it.

00:46:22.720 I mean,

00:46:23.040 I just...

00:46:24.000 I can't not do it.

00:46:26.620 I don't know.

00:46:27.780 I...

00:46:28.420 And I also know

00:46:30.660 I'm not dumb enough

00:46:32.100 to just give in

00:46:34.100 to this business

00:46:34.940 and then...

00:46:36.260 Now I have a boss,

00:46:38.640 the industry,

00:46:39.420 and I gotta,

00:46:39.780 you know,

00:46:40.060 and I'm gonna go through

00:46:40.700 hot and cold periods

00:46:41.600 like anybody else

00:46:42.420 and now I gotta sit around

00:46:44.020 and I gotta think like,

00:46:45.220 oh, fuck,

00:46:46.120 you know,

00:46:46.660 they don't want me

00:46:48.160 to play the computer guy

00:46:49.240 in the next Mission Impossible

00:46:50.420 or something like that

00:46:51.180 or whatever the fuck

00:46:52.220 in my role would be.

00:46:54.320 The redhead role.

00:46:55.360 you know,

00:46:58.960 what I like about stand-up,

00:47:00.340 not only do I love it,

00:47:01.200 but it also affords me

00:47:02.520 the ability to say no to shit

00:47:04.340 because,

00:47:05.480 and as long as I don't,

00:47:07.420 you know,

00:47:08.340 stop writing jokes

00:47:10.920 and I keep trying

00:47:11.580 to get better,

00:47:12.800 you know,

00:47:13.220 and you know,

00:47:13.660 you lose fans along the way,

00:47:15.240 all these people

00:47:15.680 that are upset

00:47:16.260 that I'm happy.

00:47:19.120 Evidently,

00:47:19.500 I don't know.

00:47:19.800 but like,

00:47:21.660 I can like,

00:47:23.520 you know,

00:47:23.900 I know that I can always go out

00:47:25.360 and every month

00:47:26.560 I can do some jokes

00:47:27.920 which was the dream.

00:47:30.420 It was never really beyond that

00:47:31.780 other than the same,

00:47:32.960 you know,

00:47:33.260 one that everybody,

00:47:33.860 you know,

00:47:34.120 I like to thank the Academy,

00:47:35.180 you know,

00:47:35.500 everybody has that one

00:47:37.120 but like,

00:47:38.100 the real thing was

00:47:38.880 if I had to choose

00:47:39.660 between that

00:47:40.600 and stand-up,

00:47:43.140 it's,

00:47:43.600 it's,

00:47:43.660 you know,

00:47:46.120 it's a no-brainer.

00:47:46.680 Like,

00:47:46.760 if they said

00:47:47.160 you can only choose one

00:47:48.320 and you can never do anything else,

00:47:49.420 it'd be a stand-up.

00:47:50.620 Stand-up,

00:47:50.980 stand-up,

00:47:51.280 stand-up,

00:47:51.600 stand-up,

00:47:51.880 all day long.

00:47:52.780 All day long.

00:47:53.540 Because Eddie Murphy said

00:47:54.560 that was his big regret

00:47:55.600 when everything happened

00:47:58.000 and that he gave up the stand-up

00:47:59.600 and now he's got to a point

00:48:00.860 where he feels like

00:48:01.600 he can't go back

00:48:02.480 because the legends

00:48:04.120 has built up so much

00:48:05.220 about how great he was.

00:48:06.320 Of course,

00:48:06.700 he was incredible.

00:48:07.860 We all loved Eddie Murphy.

00:48:09.620 Oh yeah,

00:48:10.060 that guy,

00:48:10.560 that guy is arguably

00:48:11.780 the most talented person

00:48:12.780 in the last half a century.

00:48:14.480 Maybe 60 years,

00:48:15.460 I'd go back.

00:48:16.080 I mean,

00:48:16.300 he's like,

00:48:17.920 in the level of like,

00:48:19.420 you know,

00:48:20.840 I don't know,

00:48:21.800 Michael Jackson,

00:48:22.860 James,

00:48:23.140 probably just,

00:48:24.880 Tony Williams,

00:48:26.400 I'm gonna throw a drummer in there.

00:48:29.400 Yeah,

00:48:30.000 but you know,

00:48:30.680 if you look at his specials

00:48:32.020 and just know how young he was

00:48:33.700 when he did those

00:48:35.100 and like,

00:48:35.440 I love watching Raw

00:48:37.040 because it was right

00:48:38.000 as he was really,

00:48:40.180 you know,

00:48:40.480 like delirious

00:48:41.100 is him just killing

00:48:41.880 in the crowd,

00:48:42.480 loving him,

00:48:43.100 you know,

00:48:43.400 but when you watch Raw,

00:48:44.720 you see him start,

00:48:45.740 you know,

00:48:45.920 he was talking about

00:48:46.720 his life

00:48:47.840 and being nervous

00:48:48.540 about getting married

00:48:49.420 and paying Alamo,

00:48:50.940 oh,

00:48:51.060 they get half

00:48:51.680 and some woman,

00:48:52.320 I mean,

00:48:52.460 I never forget that.

00:48:52.920 She goes,

00:48:53.100 that's right.

00:48:53.480 And he goes,

00:48:53.720 no,

00:48:53.860 that's bullshit.

00:48:54.560 I was just like,

00:48:55.720 like,

00:48:56.020 here's this new,

00:48:57.420 like,

00:48:58.760 you know,

00:48:59.680 I just think that,

00:49:01.640 yeah,

00:49:03.120 I mean,

00:49:03.520 I don't know.

00:49:03.920 Everybody has their own way

00:49:05.060 that they do it,

00:49:05.700 but like,

00:49:06.120 I don't think

00:49:09.560 the legend's too big.

00:49:11.480 I think that he would come back

00:49:12.800 and everyone would be

00:49:14.300 totally excited

00:49:15.380 and you'd want to hear

00:49:17.080 what he had to say

00:49:17.860 and it's just,

00:49:19.400 I think more,

00:49:20.940 once he got comfortable

00:49:22.720 that we were comfortable,

00:49:23.840 I just think,

00:49:26.040 and then that would be it

00:49:26.960 and he would blow by

00:49:27.780 all of us.

00:49:28.780 Yeah.

00:49:29.140 All of us,

00:49:29.820 all of us quickly.

00:49:31.280 I mean,

00:49:31.460 you're talking about a guy

00:49:32.620 that can like,

00:49:34.440 I mean,

00:49:35.580 obviously,

00:49:35.980 hilarious

00:49:36.460 so he can do

00:49:37.320 the stand-up thing.

00:49:38.460 He can do

00:49:38.960 dead-on impressions.

00:49:40.500 He's got the music ability.

00:49:42.280 I mean,

00:49:42.460 just,

00:49:42.840 and then he has that,

00:49:44.400 that,

00:49:45.780 that like,

00:49:46.960 star thing.

00:49:47.940 Like,

00:49:48.140 I mean,

00:49:50.680 there hasn't been

00:49:51.660 another one

00:49:52.200 come along.

00:49:53.500 No.

00:49:54.320 As bright as that.

00:49:56.020 And I don't think

00:49:56.600 it's even been close.

00:49:57.380 Maybe Jamie Foxx.

00:49:59.460 But Jamie Foxx

00:50:00.420 was never as good

00:50:01.180 as stand-up

00:50:01.680 as Eddie Murphy.

00:50:02.880 He could have been.

00:50:03.440 I think he just kind of

00:50:04.260 came in,

00:50:04.940 like,

00:50:05.220 with the acting

00:50:05.960 and all that type of stuff.

00:50:06.940 But Jamie Foxx

00:50:07.440 is another guy.

00:50:08.200 Like,

00:50:08.380 those guys,

00:50:08.800 when I see guys like that,

00:50:09.720 I'm like,

00:50:09.940 why am I in this

00:50:10.540 fucking business?

00:50:11.660 I actually watched this thing,

00:50:12.900 this clip from,

00:50:14.840 I never even saw the movie.

00:50:15.980 It was a Mike Epps movie.

00:50:17.100 And he did this scene

00:50:17.980 where he was asking

00:50:18.500 for like a lottery number.

00:50:20.860 And he's telling the guy

00:50:21.760 the number.

00:50:22.320 And then he just starts

00:50:22.960 beatboxing,

00:50:23.700 saying the number.

00:50:24.240 And just watching that,

00:50:51.860 scenes like that,

00:50:54.960 I just like,

00:50:55.680 how the fuck did,

00:50:56.620 am I even in this business

00:50:57.640 when there's a guy

00:50:58.180 that talented?

00:50:58.740 Cat Williams is another guy.

00:51:00.140 Yeah.

00:51:01.640 Sam Rockwell's another guy.

00:51:03.260 That makes me think that.

00:51:06.180 Well,

00:51:06.580 while we're on that subject,

00:51:07.580 Bill,

00:51:08.280 excluding yourself,

00:51:09.840 greatest five stand-ups

00:51:11.800 of all time

00:51:12.380 for you.

00:51:12.940 It's funny you said

00:51:18.560 excluding yourself.

00:51:19.520 Whenever I watch rappers,

00:51:20.580 they always go like,

00:51:21.400 someone said,

00:51:21.740 me?

00:51:24.240 I thought I'd make it easier

00:51:25.760 for you,

00:51:26.180 just get yourself out of that.

00:51:27.740 It's so fucking funny.

00:51:29.980 It's like nauseating,

00:51:31.520 the narcissism,

00:51:32.540 and then I just,

00:51:33.420 there's something about

00:51:34.040 the honesty of that

00:51:35.120 that I love.

00:51:36.800 Well,

00:51:37.260 I'm obviously fucking amazing.

00:51:38.680 But you know when Kanye does it,

00:51:40.000 you go,

00:51:40.400 yeah,

00:51:40.580 that's fair.

00:51:41.800 That's legitimate

00:51:42.660 to put yourself

00:51:43.460 in the top five.

00:51:44.460 And he definitely would.

00:51:46.880 Yeah,

00:51:47.260 and there's something about,

00:51:48.360 it's just,

00:51:49.100 it's fun.

00:51:50.060 Yeah.

00:51:50.400 It's fun to listen to somebody

00:51:51.540 talking shit about themselves.

00:51:55.300 Top,

00:51:55.780 what did you say?

00:51:56.100 Top five?

00:51:57.000 Top five.

00:51:57.880 All the time.

00:52:00.320 Okay.

00:52:01.600 Pryor,

00:52:02.160 Carlin,

00:52:04.040 Joan Rivers.

00:52:07.380 This is where it gets hard.

00:52:08.440 Like,

00:52:08.560 who am I going to put in?

00:52:09.480 Like,

00:52:09.620 I just love so many people.

00:52:16.160 These are just

00:52:16.820 influential people for me.

00:52:18.460 Cheech and Chong,

00:52:21.180 you know,

00:52:22.180 Sam Kiddison.

00:52:24.040 I'm not going one more.

00:52:24.920 I'm going to hold you.

00:52:29.320 He's going to give us

00:52:30.160 the top 50.

00:52:30.960 Yeah.

00:52:31.720 I only don't throw

00:52:32.440 Patrice in there

00:52:33.200 just because I knew

00:52:33.780 that idiot.

00:52:36.420 And it would bug him.

00:52:37.440 It would bug him

00:52:39.540 if he heard me

00:52:40.420 and if I put him in

00:52:41.340 or if I didn't.

00:52:43.280 But,

00:52:43.520 you know,

00:52:45.000 Mitch Hedberg,

00:52:46.760 Doug Stanhope,

00:52:49.200 Joe Rogan,

00:52:51.080 and that,

00:52:51.560 this is why I hate doing this,

00:52:52.380 Mike Epps.

00:52:52.820 I know I'm going to forget somebody.

00:52:55.600 Chappelle?

00:52:55.840 No.

00:52:56.660 Oh,

00:52:56.880 obviously,

00:52:57.480 Jesus Christ.

00:52:58.220 I'd love you if it's a nah,

00:52:59.520 not him.

00:53:00.180 Oh,

00:53:00.380 Jesus Christ.

00:53:01.400 It's hard to do people

00:53:02.400 that are doing it right now

00:53:03.460 because they're making me,

00:53:04.240 like,

00:53:04.520 look back.

00:53:05.220 Yeah.

00:53:06.380 Obviously him.

00:53:09.260 Jesus Christ.

00:53:10.460 Me doing that

00:53:11.100 is literally like

00:53:11.680 when the guy wins the Oscar

00:53:12.820 and he forgets to thank

00:53:13.760 his wife

00:53:14.560 or his mother.

00:53:17.060 Who the fuck did I forget,

00:53:18.140 Dave?

00:53:18.540 Yeah.

00:53:19.300 Dave's watching it.

00:53:20.320 He's furious.

00:53:20.880 We're up to that.

00:53:21.400 Because you know what it was?

00:53:21.940 I was trying so hard

00:53:23.180 to make sure

00:53:23.780 all these other people

00:53:25.320 that I feel

00:53:25.820 don't get

00:53:26.340 the recognition

00:53:28.200 they deserve.

00:53:29.840 Yeah.

00:53:30.580 Well,

00:53:30.860 we're on to about 55

00:53:31.940 at this point,

00:53:32.840 man.

00:53:33.120 It's interesting.

00:53:33.900 People never say

00:53:34.860 Kinnison.

00:53:35.360 I think people

00:53:35.840 have forgotten

00:53:36.300 Kinnison.

00:53:37.360 Chris Rock said

00:53:38.080 Kinnison was a lost.

00:53:39.240 Yeah,

00:53:39.380 what about Rock?

00:53:40.120 What about Rock?

00:53:41.100 Fuck it.

00:53:41.980 Well,

00:53:42.460 some of those guys,

00:53:43.180 it's like you don't need

00:53:43.820 to say it

00:53:44.240 because they're like

00:53:45.040 all of,

00:53:45.680 I got to throw

00:53:47.340 somebody in there

00:53:48.160 that,

00:53:49.140 oh,

00:53:49.460 fucking Jim Carrey.

00:53:50.880 Yeah.

00:53:51.240 Dude,

00:53:51.440 Jim Carrey

00:53:52.060 being Tony Clifton

00:53:53.480 imitating the Kennedy,

00:53:54.820 reenacting the Kennedy

00:53:55.760 assassination

00:53:56.340 is one of the greatest

00:53:57.700 pieces of physical comedy

00:53:59.100 you're ever going

00:53:59.800 to fucking watch.

00:54:01.480 Quick impression,

00:54:02.840 John,

00:54:03.960 John Kinnison,

00:54:04.340 Kennedy.

00:54:04.860 It's un-fucking-believable

00:54:16.460 and I got a chance

00:54:17.860 when I did SNL

00:54:18.780 to talk to him about it.

00:54:19.880 I go,

00:54:20.160 did you work that out?

00:54:21.000 He goes,

00:54:21.200 nah,

00:54:21.360 he just saw the car

00:54:23.000 and he got in

00:54:24.000 and did it

00:54:24.620 and it's just like,

00:54:27.100 that's just,

00:54:28.000 he's just like,

00:54:28.620 fuck,

00:54:28.960 I gotta work hard.

00:54:32.360 Yeah.

00:54:32.680 Yeah.

00:54:33.360 Um,

00:54:33.640 yeah,

00:54:34.860 so there you go.

00:54:35.980 We did it.

00:54:36.460 We talked,

00:54:37.040 we talked fucking

00:54:38.140 world politics

00:54:39.740 right down.

00:54:41.000 I know there's other people.

00:54:42.600 George Goebel I liked.

00:54:44.560 Gonna go back

00:54:45.140 to the old school guys.

00:54:47.020 George Goebel,

00:54:48.060 uh,

00:54:48.840 Rodney Dangerfield.

00:54:49.760 Oh my God,

00:54:50.880 Rodney,

00:54:51.460 come on.

00:54:52.420 So good.

00:54:52.940 There's too many of them.

00:54:55.680 Uh,

00:54:56.280 there you go.

00:54:56.860 Bill's favorite

00:54:57.600 five stand-ups.

00:54:58.900 Yeah.

00:54:59.400 Bill Cosby.

00:55:00.360 Bill Cosby.

00:55:01.580 I'm glad you brought him up.

00:55:03.040 I mean,

00:55:03.360 look,

00:55:03.640 Louis CK.

00:55:04.820 Louis CK.

00:55:06.060 Dave Attell.

00:55:06.980 Fuck.

00:55:07.540 David Attell is brilliant.

00:55:08.740 Fuck.

00:55:08.920 You almost have to be just like,

00:55:13.300 you gotta do like,

00:55:14.040 all right,

00:55:14.260 your favorite comedians

00:55:15.380 in New York City

00:55:16.720 during this period.

00:55:17.820 Because being that,

00:55:18.940 it would have been

00:55:19.320 Chappelle Attell,

00:55:20.880 Louis CK.

00:55:23.300 Um,

00:55:23.700 oh my God,

00:55:24.320 I'm getting so old.

00:55:25.100 I gotta remember

00:55:25.740 the names here.

00:55:26.700 Greer Barnes.

00:55:28.360 Yeah.

00:55:29.540 Um,

00:55:30.620 Talent.

00:55:32.220 Favorite British stand-up?

00:55:34.140 Favorite British stand-up.

00:55:36.020 Oh.

00:55:38.460 I saw this guy.

00:55:39.920 I'm gonna,

00:55:40.240 I don't know what his name is.

00:55:42.600 I retweeted it.

00:55:43.860 He did some fucked up,

00:55:46.100 I can't remember.

00:55:47.780 He did this completely

00:55:49.100 fucked up bit.

00:55:51.080 It was about a house

00:55:52.000 and an attic

00:55:52.560 and something that a kid

00:55:53.520 saw,

00:55:54.040 it was so fucking dark.

00:55:55.540 I can't even,

00:55:56.000 I can't even remember

00:55:56.460 the premise

00:55:56.960 of it.

00:56:00.580 Whoever that comedian

00:56:01.740 is seething right now

00:56:03.700 that Bill Burr loves this shit

00:56:05.200 but can't remember his name.

00:56:06.220 Yeah, if we find out,

00:56:07.060 we'll put it in the video.

00:56:07.900 I'm really bad.

00:56:09.000 What was the,

00:56:09.820 do you remember the joke

00:56:10.640 or anything like that?

00:56:12.440 Is there a comic

00:56:12.980 with the last name Boyle?

00:56:14.740 Frankie Boyle.

00:56:15.100 Frankie Boyle.

00:56:15.720 Is it Frankie Boyle?

00:56:16.260 Frankie Boyle, yeah.

00:56:17.460 I can't remember

00:56:18.200 the premise of the bit

00:56:18.940 and I saw it

00:56:19.520 and I just was fucking

00:56:20.420 screaming, laughing.

00:56:21.680 So, I mean,

00:56:22.220 I'll be honest with you,

00:56:23.440 I don't know enough

00:56:25.620 about the British comedy scene

00:56:27.540 because I'm all the way

00:56:28.300 over here

00:56:28.720 and I'd be honest with you,

00:56:29.800 I don't watch comedy

00:56:30.920 because I don't want

00:56:31.900 other people's jokes

00:56:33.340 in my head.

00:56:34.260 That's interesting.

00:56:35.060 And then like 15 years later,

00:56:36.780 I go to grab

00:56:37.400 for a reference.

00:56:38.220 Like, I'll tell you

00:56:38.600 what's something

00:56:38.920 fucking blew my mind

00:56:39.960 the other day.

00:56:41.300 Blew my mind.

00:56:41.880 I was in a movie

00:56:42.660 and my character

00:56:46.740 was drinking, right?

00:56:49.500 And it was like

00:56:49.940 a comedy or whatever

00:56:50.620 so I had some hard stuff

00:56:51.660 and I just poured

00:56:52.280 a little into the beer

00:56:53.140 and everybody was thinking

00:56:53.940 that, oh my God,

00:56:54.680 that's so funny

00:56:55.260 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:56:56.520 It was just something

00:56:57.120 I thought that I thought

00:56:58.880 to do.

00:57:00.520 And then, you know,

00:57:01.380 we've been trying

00:57:01.840 to figure out

00:57:02.480 the right opening

00:57:03.240 for this movie

00:57:03.880 so we were trying

00:57:04.760 to find these movies

00:57:05.600 that had like,

00:57:07.300 that didn't say anything

00:57:08.140 but put you in the world

00:57:09.020 like, you know,

00:57:09.700 Fat City

00:57:10.220 and then like,

00:57:12.860 and Tisho said,

00:57:14.420 hey, you should check out

00:57:15.020 the beginning

00:57:15.360 of the Bad News Bears

00:57:16.300 and they just show like,

00:57:18.660 you know,

00:57:19.660 the Little League field,

00:57:20.660 the sprinkler going

00:57:21.360 and he pulls up

00:57:22.020 in this old Cadillac

00:57:22.960 and he has a beer

00:57:24.080 and he takes out a flask

00:57:25.260 and he poured it

00:57:25.900 in the beer.

00:57:26.940 So I saw that

00:57:27.720 when I was like

00:57:28.320 eight years old

00:57:29.160 and forgot if I,

00:57:31.200 I mean,

00:57:31.440 I don't know

00:57:31.840 if that's why I did it

00:57:32.860 but that's why

00:57:33.680 I don't watch

00:57:34.220 other people's stand up.

00:57:36.760 I have this weird thing

00:57:37.620 but if I see him live,

00:57:39.020 it doesn't stick.

00:57:41.540 There's something

00:57:41.880 about me being home

00:57:42.840 and watching the special

00:57:44.020 that it becomes more

00:57:45.740 like a permanent thing

00:57:46.820 where like,

00:57:47.960 I just think

00:57:48.300 because I'm down

00:57:48.800 in the club,

00:57:49.400 I'm kind of going

00:57:49.940 in and out

00:57:50.380 watching a little bit

00:57:51.180 and I'm thinking

00:57:51.540 about what I'm going

00:57:52.140 to talk about

00:57:52.720 and stuff that it doesn't

00:57:54.040 sort of glom on

00:57:55.100 somewhere here

00:57:55.680 but I saw that

00:57:56.340 I was just like,

00:57:57.440 I was like,

00:57:57.960 oh,

00:57:58.340 I had no recollection

00:58:00.520 of that whatsoever.

00:58:01.720 So.

00:58:02.860 You know,

00:58:03.360 stand up is a different beast

00:58:05.120 when it's live.

00:58:06.120 Like,

00:58:06.360 I love watching

00:58:07.780 your specials

00:58:08.980 are great,

00:58:09.400 the latest one included

00:58:10.360 but when it's live,

00:58:12.940 that's when it's exciting.

00:58:14.140 Do you know what I mean?

00:58:14.820 That's when you get,

00:58:16.220 that's when you understand

00:58:17.340 why stand up is incredible

00:58:18.780 because when you watch it

00:58:19.920 on screen,

00:58:20.560 it's entertaining,

00:58:21.880 you'll laugh,

00:58:22.640 you'll enjoy it

00:58:23.240 and then you move

00:58:24.000 on to the next thing

00:58:24.800 but when you watch it live,

00:58:26.940 that's when it turns

00:58:28.020 into a different beast.

00:58:29.200 Yeah,

00:58:29.360 no,

00:58:29.540 it's amazing.

00:58:29.960 It's not a thing too

00:58:30.600 where it's not,

00:58:31.160 it doesn't fall off.

00:58:33.620 Like,

00:58:34.000 it doesn't,

00:58:34.520 like,

00:58:34.720 you can have like dips

00:58:35.480 as far as people

00:58:36.180 coming out to the clubs

00:58:37.100 but it's just,

00:58:37.680 it's like music.

00:58:39.160 So people are always

00:58:40.000 going to listen to music.

00:58:41.100 They just,

00:58:41.520 you know,

00:58:41.800 like styles of stand up

00:58:43.540 fall off

00:58:45.000 but like when people say,

00:58:46.440 like,

00:58:46.740 you know,

00:58:46.920 when do you think

00:58:47.280 this whole stand up thing,

00:58:49.740 the boom or whatever

00:58:50.540 is going to end?

00:58:51.140 It's like,

00:58:51.400 it isn't

00:58:52.000 because every generation

00:58:53.220 needs their,

00:58:55.440 their comedians.

00:58:57.860 They need their bands.

00:58:58.760 They need all of that stuff

00:58:59.560 so it's not going to like,

00:59:01.760 I hope not.

00:59:03.180 I shouldn't say this.

00:59:03.880 I already said Trump

00:59:04.420 wasn't going to be a big deal.

00:59:08.060 So.

00:59:08.780 But I think it's important

00:59:09.680 to people.

00:59:10.240 I remember my,

00:59:10.800 I was opening

00:59:12.160 for a good friend of mine,

00:59:13.520 Jeff Norcott,

00:59:14.100 who's a brilliant UK comic

00:59:15.320 and my girlfriend

00:59:16.320 is going for a really hard time

00:59:18.140 and she was feeling quite down

00:59:19.400 and I said to her,

00:59:19.920 look,

00:59:20.140 come and watch the show.

00:59:21.260 Like,

00:59:21.460 you've seen all my shit

00:59:22.200 a million times

00:59:22.800 but Jeff's brilliant

00:59:23.640 and she sat

00:59:24.740 and she watched Jeff's show

00:59:26.080 and when she came out

00:59:27.200 she was literally,

00:59:28.720 it seemed like

00:59:29.420 a completely different person.

00:59:31.080 She was like,

00:59:31.680 that's exactly what I needed.

00:59:33.500 I just needed to sit down,

00:59:35.240 laugh my ass off

00:59:36.300 and it's cathartic.

00:59:37.660 No,

00:59:37.900 it is.

00:59:38.260 Those are my favorite,

00:59:39.280 you know,

00:59:39.440 if I get like an email

00:59:40.300 or a tweet

00:59:42.520 if I actually read it

00:59:43.500 because I'm bad

00:59:44.440 with both of those

00:59:45.160 but occasionally

00:59:45.900 I'll get some

00:59:46.520 or someone will come up to you

00:59:47.340 and say,

00:59:47.580 hey man,

00:59:47.720 I was going through

00:59:48.120 a really bad period

00:59:49.020 in my life

00:59:50.140 and your comedy

00:59:51.120 helped me

00:59:51.700 and it's weird,

00:59:53.100 you almost feel like

00:59:53.960 embarrassed when they say it

00:59:55.860 because it's just like,

00:59:57.480 oh,

00:59:58.040 because I'm doing this for me.

01:00:00.440 I'm selfishly

01:00:01.680 doing this for me

01:00:03.580 and you're acting like

01:00:04.980 I took time out of my day

01:00:06.440 to help you

01:00:07.940 and it makes you just,

01:00:09.200 I just really,

01:00:10.520 but I love when people say that

01:00:11.680 because it gets me

01:00:12.420 out of my own head

01:00:13.120 going,

01:00:13.640 you know,

01:00:13.880 if you get frustrated

01:00:14.940 with the business

01:00:15.720 and it's just like,

01:00:18.320 you know,

01:00:19.440 you're lucky enough

01:00:20.460 that you're funny

01:00:21.260 and that you doing this

01:00:22.800 is actually helping

01:00:23.540 other people out,

01:00:24.320 that should be enough

01:00:25.600 for you

01:00:25.940 so stop worrying

01:00:27.040 about this other shit.

01:00:28.060 So in a way,

01:00:29.200 I actually get

01:00:29.840 probably more out of it

01:00:31.400 than saying it

01:00:32.120 than they do

01:00:32.820 telling it to me.

01:00:34.160 Bill,

01:00:34.420 it's a nice positive note

01:00:35.380 to finish on.

01:00:36.000 We'll ask you a couple

01:00:36.760 of questions

01:00:37.360 from our fans.

01:00:38.360 Oh gosh.

01:00:39.180 By our fans.

01:00:39.760 It might go negative.

01:00:40.420 No, no,

01:00:40.760 they're making this happen,

01:00:42.040 man.

01:00:42.140 Let's give them

01:00:42.900 two questions,

01:00:43.780 but.

01:00:44.780 Ball washing his face.

01:00:46.940 That's a red flag.

01:00:48.660 But before we do,

01:00:49.960 we'll ask you the question

01:00:50.860 we ask all our guests,

01:00:52.080 which is,

01:00:52.540 what's the one thing

01:00:53.140 we're not talking about

01:00:54.060 that we really should be?

01:00:57.280 Isn't everybody talking

01:00:58.240 about everything

01:00:58.680 at this point?

01:00:59.680 What,

01:00:59.940 on this episode?

01:01:00.860 No.

01:01:01.160 No,

01:01:01.380 whatever you want.

01:01:01.960 Just in general,

01:01:02.560 as a society.

01:01:05.880 I don't,

01:01:06.500 I don't know,

01:01:07.040 dude,

01:01:07.240 I don't know.

01:01:08.660 I'm sorry,

01:01:09.480 that's a deep one.

01:01:10.360 What's the one thing?

01:01:12.680 Something you think

01:01:13.540 doesn't get as much

01:01:14.260 attention as it should.

01:01:15.720 I think we covered

01:01:16.740 all of that,

01:01:17.280 didn't we?

01:01:17.640 It's just like,

01:01:18.640 you know,

01:01:19.040 the population problem,

01:01:23.220 I gotta go to that again.

01:01:24.280 I mean,

01:01:24.540 I feel like that's gonna

01:01:25.300 solve a lot of

01:01:26.540 fucking problems.

01:01:27.860 We talked about that

01:01:28.640 before the podcast started,

01:01:29.860 so give us,

01:01:30.480 give us,

01:01:31.360 give it to us again.

01:01:33.000 What's the population

01:01:33.800 problem, Bill?

01:01:34.760 Well,

01:01:35.000 there's too many

01:01:35.520 goddamn people.

01:01:36.620 That's,

01:01:36.960 that's the whole,

01:01:37.840 like,

01:01:38.620 all of these inventions

01:01:39.440 and all of this shit

01:01:40.320 are nice,

01:01:40.860 but if there's too many

01:01:41.620 people around using them,

01:01:42.920 so you gotta figure out

01:01:43.840 a way

01:01:44.220 without becoming

01:01:46.200 a mass murderer

01:01:47.140 to get people

01:01:48.300 to die.

01:01:50.920 Yeah,

01:01:51.100 well,

01:01:51.320 it annoys me

01:01:52.040 when I watch the news

01:01:53.000 and you just see

01:01:53.520 these weathermen

01:01:54.060 and go,

01:01:54.320 I'll tell you,

01:01:54.740 it's gonna be a hot one.

01:01:56.160 And it's like,

01:01:57.240 how do you not,

01:01:58.340 how do you do that job

01:01:59.540 as a fucking weatherman?

01:02:00.560 I feel like there's

01:02:01.100 two kinds of weathermen,

01:02:01.880 the people who are actually

01:02:02.580 fucking paying attention

01:02:03.780 to that shit

01:02:04.340 and then the other person

01:02:05.480 who just wanted

01:02:06.300 to get on TV

01:02:06.980 so they could have

01:02:07.440 a hot fucking wife,

01:02:08.580 you know what I mean?

01:02:09.160 And I see those,

01:02:10.040 like,

01:02:10.580 the LA weathermen,

01:02:11.900 you gotta watch,

01:02:12.520 watch the local news,

01:02:13.760 like,

01:02:13.920 the fucking LA weathermen,

01:02:15.100 they just sit there like,

01:02:16.140 you know,

01:02:16.820 you know,

01:02:17.100 tonight it's gonna be cloudy

01:02:18.260 when we get back.

01:02:19.720 They do the,

01:02:20.280 and they get these

01:02:20.800 crazy jackets on and shit.

01:02:22.640 I mean,

01:02:22.900 I love it

01:02:23.360 because they're,

01:02:23.900 like,

01:02:23.980 entertaining,

01:02:24.720 but,

01:02:24.960 like,

01:02:25.580 it's like,

01:02:26.020 dude,

01:02:26.200 you look like

01:02:26.800 you're selling cars.

01:02:28.260 And I just think

01:02:29.060 that's such a funny

01:02:30.020 personality to have

01:02:31.540 while all of this

01:02:33.540 end-of-the-world shit,

01:02:35.580 you know,

01:02:35.920 lakes are drying up

01:02:36.740 and all this.

01:02:37.160 It's too fucking terrifying

01:02:38.120 to talk about.

01:02:39.260 So,

01:02:40.020 um,

01:02:40.420 well,

01:02:41.820 we did have an upbeat one,

01:02:42.960 now we've got a downbeat one.

01:02:44.220 Well,

01:02:44.380 there you go,

01:02:44.760 that's your fault.

01:02:45.740 You said it ended

01:02:46.420 on a nice positive note

01:02:47.480 and you wanted to keep going.

01:02:49.480 We did.

01:02:50.220 Bilba,

01:02:50.680 thank you so much

01:02:51.500 for coming on.

01:02:52.080 I really recommend

01:02:52.700 everybody check out

01:02:53.480 your latest special.

01:02:54.200 All right,

01:02:54.500 thanks for having me

01:02:55.180 and I hope I get over there.

01:02:56.500 I gotta go to Wimbledon.

01:02:57.420 That's the last tennis major

01:02:58.580 I haven't been to.

01:02:59.500 You haven't been to Wimbledon?

01:03:00.660 No,

01:03:00.940 what's great is you can

01:03:01.780 knock out Wimbledon

01:03:02.520 and then go down

01:03:03.060 and see the Tour de France.

01:03:04.320 Yeah.

01:03:04.640 That's one of my things.

01:03:05.420 I just want to stand there

01:03:06.280 and hand a cup of water

01:03:07.240 without tipping the guy over

01:03:08.400 and be like,

01:03:08.800 I did it.

01:03:09.380 I was that guy.

01:03:11.100 Fantastic.

01:03:11.420 Well,

01:03:11.620 you're loved in the UK, man,

01:03:12.760 so come on over.

01:03:13.520 All right,

01:03:13.960 I'll be there.

01:03:14.500 Thanks so much

01:03:15.120 and thank you for watching

01:03:16.400 and listening.

01:03:17.000 We'll see you very soon

01:03:17.800 with another brilliant episode

01:03:18.780 like this one

01:03:19.420 or also.

01:03:20.720 All of them go out

01:03:21.200 at 7pm UK time.

01:03:22.600 And for those of you

01:03:23.480 who like your tonight,

01:03:24.540 it's all right.

01:03:25.520 I'm in your shot.

01:03:26.500 Do it again.

01:03:27.440 Sorry.

01:03:28.000 No,

01:03:28.280 we're going to keep that in.

01:03:29.380 We're going to keep it in.

01:03:30.720 Right,

01:03:31.140 keep watching, mate.

01:03:32.260 We'll have another

01:03:32.920 silly cunt on next week.

01:03:36.280 Couldn't have put it better myself.

01:03:37.940 We'll see you on Locals

01:03:38.740 for the bonus questions.

01:03:39.880 Take care

01:03:40.320 and we'll see you soon.

01:03:41.380 Bye.

01:03:51.620 He asked.

01:03:53.420 That's the best answer

01:03:54.640 to that question

01:03:55.400 I've ever fucking heard.

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Bill Burr：＂The Internet is an Abusive Relationship＂

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