TRIGGERnometry - Comedian Cancelled by China - 'Uncle Roger'

00:00:00.440 Now we are here doing the podcast.

00:00:02.540 Everybody does when they get cancelled.

00:00:04.080 You've been cancelled twice by somebody

00:00:06.240 that we don't usually see people get cancelled by,

00:00:08.800 which is the Chinese Communist Party.

00:00:10.540 In Chinese social media, you get a lot of these.

00:00:12.400 Over here, you call them social justice warriors. 0.57

00:00:14.520 That is their flavour.

00:00:15.760 They're very jingoistic, nationalist-type people.

00:00:18.220 Say, oh, have you seen Uncle Roger work with this guy?

00:00:21.220 Then someone on Twitter, now it's the Western world,

00:00:24.380 say, oh, have you seen Uncle Roger apologising

00:00:26.840 and kowtowing to the CCP? 0.99

00:00:28.260 I was like, oh, shit. 0.99

00:00:30.620 I read the statement back. 0.99

00:00:32.240 I was like, oh, yeah, okay, it does sound like I have.

00:00:35.460 What I know is I probably won't be able to go to China or Hong Kong

00:00:39.200 in the indefinite future.

00:00:42.140 Everyone now online has to be political.

00:00:45.460 You talk about food, you now have to be political.

00:00:48.760 It's insane.

00:00:49.780 I basically stepped on a landmine.

00:00:58.260 Hello, and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:04.060 I'm Francis Foster.

00:01:05.280 I'm Constantine Kishin.

00:01:06.360 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations

00:01:09.440 with fascinating people.

00:01:11.440 Our terrific guest today is a friend of ours

00:01:13.620 from our old comedy circuit days

00:01:15.920 who is now absolutely crushing it on YouTube.

00:01:18.060 He's got nearly 8 million subscribers.

00:01:20.760 Uncle Roger, Nigel Long, is who you are.

00:01:23.420 Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:24.640 Thank you.

00:01:25.260 Thank you.

00:01:25.740 It's good to see you guys.

00:01:26.500 It's good to see you, man.

00:01:27.520 So many years on the comedy circuit, you know.

00:01:30.780 Grinding away.

00:01:31.780 Grinding away.

00:01:32.400 Now we are here doing the podcast.

00:01:34.200 Everybody does when they get cancelled.

00:01:35.560 This is the first podcast you get asked on.

00:01:38.080 Well, I didn't say that in your intro,

00:01:41.380 but you've been cancelled by China twice now.

00:01:43.880 Yeah.

00:01:44.900 We'll get on to that in a second.

00:01:46.980 But before we do, for people who don't know you,

00:01:50.120 welcome to the podcast for The Cancelled.

00:01:52.700 Before we talk about that part of it,

00:01:55.220 what's your story through life?

00:01:56.440 Because we know you well,

00:01:57.720 but we actually probably don't know your backstory.

00:02:00.000 Where are you from?

00:02:00.800 How did you get here?

00:02:01.960 How do you find yourself talking to us?

00:02:04.080 Well, I was born and raised in Malaysia.

00:02:07.960 And then in 2010,

00:02:09.720 I left Malaysia to the US for my university.

00:02:12.260 That's when I started doing stand-up.

00:02:14.200 In 2015, I moved to the UK,

00:02:16.180 from Chicago to London,

00:02:18.240 because I was dating a woman who was from Germany.

00:02:20.760 European woman.

00:02:21.880 We're not together anymore.

00:02:23.200 But then I moved here with her.

00:02:24.600 Continued doing the stand-up.

00:02:27.020 2019, I went full-time stand-up.

00:02:29.820 I always had a day job throughout the whole time.

00:02:31.560 Since I started doing stand-up in 2011,

00:02:34.560 university, had a day job,

00:02:36.560 did stand-up part-time,

00:02:38.020 four or five nights a week.

00:02:39.420 2019, September,

00:02:41.320 kind of had enough fees for me to go full-time.

00:02:46.240 I support myself.

00:02:47.060 I went full-time.

00:02:47.840 Six months later, COVID hit.

00:02:49.780 Lost all the work. 1.00

00:02:51.480 I was like, fuck. 1.00

00:02:52.920 Can we care us on this? 1.00

00:02:53.680 Yes. 1.00

00:02:54.580 I was like, fuck. 1.00

00:02:55.520 I lost all my work. 1.00

00:02:56.900 I have 10 months worth of savings to live, basically.

00:03:00.700 So let's try to make something work online.

00:03:03.440 At the time, I had a podcast,

00:03:05.400 and I also started doing YouTube.

00:03:07.060 And that's where my character really took off.

00:03:10.440 My character's called Uncle Roger.

00:03:12.440 Basically, I play this middle-aged Asian uncle

00:03:14.960 inspired by all these Asian boomers 0.98

00:03:17.300 I see from my childhood, 1.00

00:03:18.940 you know, who talk a lot of shit, 1.00

00:03:20.980 sassy attitude, 0.99

00:03:22.020 but ultimately they're kind people.

00:03:23.360 So I play this character online,

00:03:25.380 critiquing Western,

00:03:28.000 usually Western celebrity chefs 0.98

00:03:29.600 fucking up Asian food.

00:03:31.160 So the very, very first video 0.99

00:03:33.020 that went viral

00:03:34.640 was the BBC food egg fried rice video.

00:03:38.320 Drain it.

00:03:39.280 Drain.

00:03:40.140 What's she doing?

00:03:41.920 What's she doing?

00:03:42.800 Drain the...

00:03:43.560 Oh my God. 0.91

00:03:44.940 You're killing me, woman. 1.00

00:03:46.740 Haiya. 1.00

00:03:47.520 Drain the...

00:03:48.560 I just put on this orange polo, 1.00

00:03:51.200 started talking shit, 0.99

00:03:52.120 and then when the video... 0.99

00:03:54.120 When I posted that video,

00:03:55.180 I was at 7,000 subscribers.

00:03:56.980 That was June 2020.

00:03:58.800 7,000 subscribers.

00:03:59.800 And then the first week in,

00:04:01.060 the video got 10,000 views.

00:04:02.460 I was like, 0.98

00:04:02.540 oh shit, that's pretty good. 1.00

00:04:03.660 You know? 1.00

00:04:04.300 I was like, you know,

00:04:04.860 patting myself on the back.

00:04:06.460 But later,

00:04:07.340 Reddit picked it up,

00:04:08.460 9Gag picked it up,

00:04:09.440 Facebook, Twitter,

00:04:10.300 it all went viral

00:04:11.300 on every platform,

00:04:12.260 TikTok, everywhere.

00:04:13.720 And so I just

00:04:14.660 kept making the videos,

00:04:16.620 went on a full world tour,

00:04:17.940 doing my stand-up

00:04:19.240 as both my character

00:04:20.300 and then as myself,

00:04:21.660 which is a great way to do it

00:04:22.840 because you save money

00:04:23.540 on your opening act.

00:04:25.700 It's not cheap, man.

00:04:27.020 Like 500 pounds per gig,

00:04:28.580 extra money.

00:04:30.860 And then,

00:04:31.820 and then, yeah,

00:04:32.560 just now we're here.

00:04:33.860 So I just kept making the videos,

00:04:35.400 kept doing stand-up.

00:04:36.240 Now I have

00:04:36.780 things I'm developing

00:04:38.340 with other production companies,

00:04:40.280 looking to move to LA

00:04:41.960 for work in a couple months.

00:04:43.980 So, yeah.

00:04:44.660 It's exciting stuff, man.

00:04:45.720 Yeah, thank you.

00:04:46.220 I remember we did the same gig

00:04:47.640 above a pub.

00:04:49.000 Yes.

00:04:49.440 With you above a pub,

00:04:50.380 with you below a pub.

00:04:51.880 You used to do my gig

00:04:52.920 below a pub.

00:04:53.940 And for people

00:04:54.780 who wouldn't have seen

00:04:55.680 your stand-up,

00:04:56.480 you were always

00:04:57.100 one of the people

00:04:57.780 that I think everybody

00:04:58.900 on the circuit

00:04:59.540 rated as really good

00:05:01.360 at stand-up.

00:05:02.000 Oh, thank you.

00:05:02.600 Thank you.

00:05:03.260 But, you know,

00:05:03.820 when you're good

00:05:04.540 at stand-up,

00:05:05.240 it's kind of hard

00:05:06.400 to get ahead

00:05:07.000 if you're actually,

00:05:07.700 like,

00:05:08.540 if you're too funny.

00:05:09.360 You know what I mean?

00:05:10.480 Yeah, we don't have

00:05:11.200 to get into that.

00:05:11.740 I have no idea

00:05:12.320 what you're talking about.

00:05:12.980 I'm not saying

00:05:15.060 I'm too funny,

00:05:15.980 but I think

00:05:16.360 sometimes,

00:05:17.580 especially in the

00:05:18.620 British comedy scene,

00:05:19.500 you have a very

00:05:20.180 theatrical culture.

00:05:21.940 Yep.

00:05:22.260 So when you bring

00:05:22.880 a show up

00:05:23.420 to the festival here,

00:05:24.860 Edinburgh Fringe,

00:05:26.060 people want, like,

00:05:26.980 a theatrical structure

00:05:28.080 to your show.

00:05:29.000 So people who just

00:05:29.940 focus on,

00:05:30.760 like,

00:05:30.860 I just want to be funny,

00:05:32.180 that doesn't work

00:05:33.280 that well.

00:05:33.760 But what helps us

00:05:34.940 is because we do

00:05:35.840 online stuff,

00:05:37.000 funny actually goes viral.

00:05:38.920 The theatrical, 0.99

00:05:39.660 artsy shit, 1.00

00:05:40.680 harder to go viral. 1.00

00:05:41.580 So I'm happy I found

00:05:42.480 this little path

00:05:43.160 for myself.

00:05:43.900 And you did find

00:05:44.740 this little path

00:05:45.440 for yourself.

00:05:45.900 And how has your life

00:05:46.700 changed, Nigel,

00:05:47.640 from when we knew you

00:05:49.100 to how you are now?

00:05:51.700 Whew,

00:05:52.800 how has my life changed?

00:05:55.020 I use Adobe Premiere Pro

00:05:56.920 too much,

00:05:57.840 you know.

00:05:58.740 That app just drives

00:05:59.840 me crazy, man.

00:06:02.260 Honestly,

00:06:02.920 like,

00:06:03.260 it's just such a relief,

00:06:04.760 you know,

00:06:05.120 because you're just

00:06:06.260 hustling and grinding

00:06:07.480 in anonymity

00:06:08.260 on the circuit.

00:06:09.640 I'm just every day

00:06:10.860 coming from a gig

00:06:11.760 at 11 p.m.

00:06:12.580 to midnight

00:06:13.180 and just walking home.

00:06:14.540 I have to go to my day job

00:06:15.640 the next day.

00:06:16.180 I wake up at 7

00:06:16.800 and I'm like,

00:06:17.900 will I ever be able

00:06:18.600 to do this full time?

00:06:19.580 You never know.

00:06:20.340 But now the fact that,

00:06:21.760 you know,

00:06:21.920 I did a world tour,

00:06:23.120 it's like 100-something shows,

00:06:25.140 over 50-something cities.

00:06:27.140 And there's every,

00:06:28.260 I think all the shows

00:06:30.060 were sold out

00:06:30.640 and you see people,

00:06:31.560 real-life people

00:06:32.380 coming to support you,

00:06:33.240 you're like,

00:06:33.580 oh, okay.

00:06:34.520 Whew,

00:06:35.180 kind of made it.

00:06:35.860 It's good.

00:06:36.280 It's a good feeling.

00:06:37.700 So I think that's,

00:06:38.460 career-wise,

00:06:38.880 that's the biggest change

00:06:39.720 to have that bit of comfort

00:06:41.400 and confidence 0.99

00:06:41.920 that shit will work out. 1.00

00:06:43.580 You know, 1.00

00:06:43.740 it's good.

00:06:44.180 It's so awesome, man.

00:06:45.580 And when you said relief,

00:06:47.520 that is exactly the feeling

00:06:49.180 that I have as well.

00:06:50.880 And before we started,

00:06:52.500 you were talking about

00:06:53.220 how you may not do stand-up

00:06:54.900 going forward,

00:06:55.820 which I can totally see

00:06:57.320 because it's a hard life too,

00:06:59.240 isn't it?

00:06:59.600 It's hard.

00:07:00.000 It's really hard

00:07:00.860 to write a good show.

00:07:03.200 It's really difficult.

00:07:04.300 The show I did on my tour

00:07:05.900 was the culmination

00:07:06.820 of like 10 years

00:07:08.140 of my stand-up

00:07:08.880 and then you pick

00:07:09.420 the best off

00:07:10.060 and then I see

00:07:11.180 how much I've workshopped

00:07:12.300 those bits

00:07:12.840 because I had nothing

00:07:13.580 else going on for me

00:07:14.360 so I could just

00:07:15.600 focus on the stand-up.

00:07:17.220 And then the relief thing too,

00:07:18.380 I think that's an

00:07:19.220 immigrant mentality thing too,

00:07:20.660 you know?

00:07:20.920 It's just like,

00:07:21.300 oh, it's going to go away.

00:07:22.960 Yeah.

00:07:23.180 Yeah, but you want

00:07:24.440 to make it, right?

00:07:25.400 You want to get to

00:07:26.240 where you think

00:07:26.880 you want to get to.

00:07:28.180 No, I think

00:07:28.560 if I could do it

00:07:29.580 my whole life again,

00:07:30.280 I would like to have

00:07:30.820 rich parents.

00:07:31.580 That's the worst.

00:07:34.200 I had rich parents

00:07:35.160 for a while.

00:07:35.880 You don't want that, man.

00:07:36.900 Really?

00:07:37.340 No.

00:07:37.480 That's safety?

00:07:38.240 Isn't it nice?

00:07:39.160 The thing is

00:07:39.880 you get too comfortable

00:07:40.820 and then you don't

00:07:41.540 want to do anything.

00:07:42.580 That's the problem.

00:07:43.660 Yeah, okay.

00:07:44.660 So I want rich parents

00:07:46.340 who will still beat me

00:07:47.340 once in a while.

00:07:47.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:48.260 That's the best of both worlds.

00:07:48.960 Rich Asian parents.

00:07:50.080 Yes.

00:07:51.940 You know,

00:07:52.680 you're going to have

00:07:53.140 a comfortable life

00:07:53.960 but you better get an A in math.

00:07:55.400 Yes.

00:07:55.920 I'm going to do that,

00:07:57.480 you know?

00:07:58.020 Be rich,

00:07:58.800 give my kids a good life.

00:07:59.800 Mate,

00:08:00.060 you're crushing so hard

00:08:01.200 you could afford

00:08:01.860 to pay a random couple

00:08:03.300 a load of money

00:08:04.040 to be your rich parents now.

00:08:05.800 Oh,

00:08:06.100 that is a good idea.

00:08:07.460 Or someone

00:08:08.000 when you have kids

00:08:08.840 to beat your kids.

00:08:11.360 Hire like a nanny. 1.00

00:08:13.020 Professional kid beater.

00:08:14.040 Yeah.

00:08:14.520 That would be good.

00:08:15.380 That would be good.

00:08:16.160 Do they hire,

00:08:17.360 do they have people

00:08:17.940 like that here in the UK?

00:08:19.400 Probably.

00:08:20.080 What we're discussing

00:08:21.060 is now illegal

00:08:21.800 but anyway.

00:08:22.720 Oops.

00:08:22.940 But what you're talking about

00:08:24.640 is really interesting

00:08:25.480 because of that relief thing

00:08:27.000 because there's a lot,

00:08:27.860 we know so many people

00:08:29.160 on the comedy circuit

00:08:30.280 who are legitimately brilliant

00:08:32.500 and they're great

00:08:34.240 and they crush every gig

00:08:35.580 and their material is interesting

00:08:37.060 and people love them

00:08:38.200 but that's all they've got.

00:08:41.760 And the fact that we made it out

00:08:43.560 is something that I will

00:08:45.060 always be eternally grateful for.

00:08:46.900 Do you ever think about

00:08:49.060 to think to yourself

00:08:49.900 like imagine if I didn't

00:08:51.180 film that video that day

00:08:52.300 or imagine if you didn't

00:08:53.760 meet each other

00:08:54.440 and sit down

00:08:54.980 and do this podcast

00:08:55.660 or oh,

00:08:57.040 you started this podcast

00:08:58.200 with someone else

00:08:58.860 I remember.

00:09:00.060 No,

00:09:00.320 it was not this podcast.

00:09:01.880 It was not this podcast.

00:09:02.680 He likes to think it was

00:09:04.000 but it wasn't.

00:09:05.540 We know the guy.

00:09:06.900 Do your listeners

00:09:07.860 know this story?

00:09:08.920 Probably.

00:09:09.660 We've had him on the show

00:09:11.800 and it's all good

00:09:12.580 but it wasn't this podcast.

00:09:14.040 They were doing

00:09:14.640 a different podcast.

00:09:15.520 I see,

00:09:16.060 I see.

00:09:16.500 But yes,

00:09:17.080 I just think back

00:09:18.000 like imagine if I 0.99

00:09:18.920 didn't have the balls 0.99

00:09:20.540 to because you put out 0.99

00:09:21.540 something like this.

00:09:23.720 I feel,

00:09:25.100 I have the fear

00:09:26.400 when I was putting it out

00:09:27.140 oh,

00:09:27.340 what will my comedy peers

00:09:28.680 think of me?

00:09:29.280 Exactly. 1.00

00:09:29.940 I'm playing this stupid character 1.00

00:09:31.600 and putting on a costume 1.00

00:09:33.060 and then people are going to think

00:09:34.840 oh,

00:09:35.100 he's just a social media comic

00:09:36.180 and they all do think that

00:09:37.840 but it's like

00:09:38.400 it's okay.

00:09:40.720 I like this life.

00:09:41.820 8 million subscribers, 1.00

00:09:42.540 motherfuckers. 1.00

00:09:44.700 It's nice to go on nice holidays 1.00

00:09:46.340 once in a while

00:09:47.040 and splurge on nice things

00:09:48.180 for myself.

00:09:48.760 No man,

00:09:49.180 it's great.

00:09:50.080 You know,

00:09:50.620 one of the things

00:09:51.240 that I always,

00:09:52.460 when we were on the comedy circuit,

00:09:54.180 you know, 0.86

00:09:54.400 it's a very bitchy 1.00

00:09:55.380 and kind of hyper-competitive environment

00:09:57.520 but when you meet people

00:09:58.940 who are successful

00:09:59.940 or when we used to,

00:10:01.900 usually they were the nicest people.

00:10:03.760 Not always,

00:10:04.360 but usually they were the nicest people

00:10:05.660 and what I realize now is

00:10:06.960 I meet people who've done

00:10:08.380 what you've done

00:10:09.040 and us to a lesser extent

00:10:10.940 is like

00:10:11.460 it's a lot easier

00:10:13.020 to not be in that desperation mindset

00:10:15.580 of like,

00:10:16.640 oh,

00:10:16.900 that person's got something

00:10:18.200 and I didn't.

00:10:19.580 It's a lot easier

00:10:20.520 when you're actually doing well.

00:10:21.980 Yeah,

00:10:22.300 yeah,

00:10:22.720 yeah.

00:10:23.000 In the comedy industry too,

00:10:24.960 they make it feel

00:10:26.540 like a zero-sum game.

00:10:28.080 You know,

00:10:28.420 there's only eight spots

00:10:29.400 on Mock the Week,

00:10:30.420 eight spots on Live at the Apollo

00:10:31.660 and four of them

00:10:32.420 will go to famous TV,

00:10:33.640 famous people.

00:10:34.480 And then there's four,

00:10:35.940 one for each race

00:10:36.920 and then you're like, 1.00

00:10:37.840 shit, 1.00

00:10:38.060 that's one spot for me. 1.00

00:10:39.620 They're never going to put

00:10:40.400 two Asian people

00:10:41.200 on Apollo at the same time

00:10:43.040 or Mock the Week

00:10:43.840 at the same time.

00:10:44.060 In case people get confused,

00:10:45.440 right?

00:10:45.940 Yeah,

00:10:46.120 yeah,

00:10:46.620 oh,

00:10:47.080 Phil Wang.

00:10:47.960 Why is he back on again?

00:10:51.160 And they create this,

00:10:52.500 this weird zero-sum thing

00:10:54.100 but then the reality is

00:10:55.320 the world

00:10:55.960 and the internet

00:10:56.700 is infinite,

00:10:57.620 almost.

00:10:58.080 It's seven billion people,

00:10:59.120 eight billion people

00:10:59.760 in the world.

00:11:00.380 Yeah.

00:11:00.940 You know,

00:11:01.380 and there's a lot of Asians. 0.99

00:11:02.800 I bitch about Asian food mostly. 0.99

00:11:04.360 I see how many Asians there are. 0.99

00:11:05.860 Every city I go to,

00:11:06.900 Helsinki,

00:11:07.700 there's an Asian guy.

00:11:08.620 Half the crowd is Asian.

00:11:09.500 I'm like,

00:11:09.820 where,

00:11:10.120 how?

00:11:10.680 How?

00:11:11.220 Why would you move here

00:11:12.600 to this weird place

00:11:14.560 from Vietnam?

00:11:15.940 You know,

00:11:16.100 it's crazy.

00:11:17.440 It is,

00:11:18.260 but,

00:11:18.800 and I think that's,

00:11:20.520 we're kind of conditioned

00:11:22.180 when we're on the comedy circuit

00:11:23.660 to think like that

00:11:25.000 and what it happened

00:11:26.300 is it created an atmosphere

00:11:27.780 where you just saw people,

00:11:29.900 like you went into the open mic

00:11:31.440 and there was a kind of,

00:11:33.140 at the start,

00:11:33.760 this almost kind of

00:11:34.400 brotherhood mentality,

00:11:35.740 you know,

00:11:35.960 where guys doing comedy together

00:11:38.120 and it's,

00:11:38.920 you know,

00:11:39.060 we're all friends

00:11:39.980 and it's going to be great

00:11:41.040 and very quickly,

00:11:42.780 things start to go

00:11:43.920 really not very,

00:11:45.660 you know,

00:11:46.120 you see people,

00:11:47.440 there's a,

00:11:47.980 there's a group 0.59

00:11:48.840 who go nuts. 0.60

00:11:50.180 Yep.

00:11:50.820 By nuts,

00:11:51.400 you mean that they will

00:11:51.880 pull ahead of you career-wise?

00:11:52.960 No, no,

00:11:53.380 I mean they go literally nuts.

00:11:54.600 We all know the comedians

00:11:55.760 who go insane

00:11:56.580 for doing it,

00:11:57.460 you know,

00:11:57.720 and they quite literally

00:11:58.760 lose their minds.

00:11:59.800 Then there's the other people,

00:12:01.220 you know, 0.68

00:12:01.440 and then there's the bitchiness. 1.00

00:12:02.860 Yeah.

00:12:03.420 You're looking back at it

00:12:04.480 and you go,

00:12:05.260 that wasn't a good place

00:12:06.460 to exist in.

00:12:07.160 It wasn't.

00:12:07.720 It was not good

00:12:08.420 for your mental health.

00:12:09.700 It's not good for your wallet

00:12:10.540 either.

00:12:11.080 No.

00:12:11.280 You know,

00:12:11.760 it was good for your wallet

00:12:12.860 but bad for your mental health.

00:12:13.980 I would still do it.

00:12:15.480 But nowadays,

00:12:16.640 I have to say,

00:12:17.060 when I see a comedy show,

00:12:18.700 especially a UK one,

00:12:19.780 and then I see a white guy,

00:12:20.840 like I see a white guy

00:12:21.600 on live at the Apollo,

00:12:22.300 I'm like, 0.99

00:12:22.600 fucking, 1.00

00:12:23.360 this must be good. 1.00

00:12:24.980 He's fought through

00:12:25.760 so many hurdles

00:12:26.840 to get the one spot

00:12:28.800 for the white guy,

00:12:30.500 one white guy. 0.99

00:12:31.060 He must be fucking good. 0.99

00:12:32.480 This guy really works for it. 0.98

00:12:34.280 Yeah.

00:12:34.660 And that's a topic

00:12:35.320 for another day too

00:12:36.280 but I do appreciate this,

00:12:38.320 they're making it more diverse

00:12:39.980 but sometimes,

00:12:40.980 I do feel I'm put on

00:12:42.760 just to fulfill a quota

00:12:44.620 and then I know

00:12:45.740 when I'm on,

00:12:46.780 a lot of people viewing

00:12:47.860 at home will think,

00:12:48.660 oh,

00:12:48.860 he's on just for a quota

00:12:50.040 but then that kind of

00:12:50.760 diminishes my thing

00:12:52.360 and I work really hard

00:12:53.480 on the comedy circuit

00:12:54.520 but that kind of

00:12:55.120 diminishes it

00:12:55.940 but I'm sure you guys

00:12:57.560 have covered that a lot.

00:12:58.060 Not with someone

00:12:59.740 like you actually,

00:13:01.560 we haven't.

00:13:02.400 I mean,

00:13:02.980 because coming from us,

00:13:04.680 it sounds like 0.98

00:13:05.320 white guys whining. 0.97

00:13:06.860 Yeah. 0.56

00:13:07.200 Oh, really?

00:13:07.720 Whereas when you say

00:13:08.600 it gives it legitimacy.

00:13:09.800 Tell us more, Nigel.

00:13:10.800 Oh, well,

00:13:12.300 now it's an Asian guy whining.

00:13:14.720 So, like,

00:13:16.180 well,

00:13:16.480 it is true that

00:13:17.540 if I see a white guy

00:13:18.780 on the Apollo,

00:13:19.420 I'm like, 0.99

00:13:19.760 this guy is fucking good, 0.99

00:13:21.160 you know? 0.99

00:13:21.480 But then,

00:13:22.200 when you see someone

00:13:23.260 like me on the Apollo,

00:13:24.460 a lot of people will think

00:13:25.400 there's a hurdle

00:13:26.360 to cross first.

00:13:27.260 They're going to think,

00:13:27.840 oh,

00:13:27.980 is he just a diversity hire?

00:13:29.600 Then they see that I'm funny.

00:13:31.420 Oh, okay,

00:13:32.040 he's actually good.

00:13:33.340 And it's not just

00:13:34.540 on TV shows.

00:13:35.960 When I do, like,

00:13:36.580 random gigs

00:13:37.260 out of the middle of nowhere,

00:13:39.060 when I get on stage,

00:13:40.320 I sense some people say,

00:13:41.700 okay,

00:13:42.040 is this one of those

00:13:42.600 diversity things again?

00:13:43.820 So,

00:13:44.520 I win them over

00:13:46.180 because, you know,

00:13:46.780 I've been doing this a while.

00:13:48.240 But it would be nice

00:13:49.140 if people,

00:13:50.000 if we just,

00:13:51.260 it was more of an equal

00:13:52.220 playing field,

00:13:52.880 funny.

00:13:53.820 Where people didn't bother

00:13:54.960 about your skin color,

00:13:55.940 they were just like,

00:13:56.800 you're funny or you're not funny.

00:13:58.040 Yeah.

00:13:58.220 That's kind of the dream.

00:13:59.180 Yeah,

00:13:59.400 but that's what the internet is,

00:14:00.860 right?

00:14:01.200 Yeah.

00:14:01.460 You see something funny

00:14:02.380 on TikTok,

00:14:02.900 you share.

00:14:03.560 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:04.700 So,

00:14:04.840 that is nice

00:14:05.600 that we have such a thing

00:14:06.480 like that.

00:14:06.800 It is.

00:14:07.400 Imagine if you started

00:14:08.120 doing stand-up

00:14:08.720 in the early 2000s

00:14:10.360 where there was no TikTok,

00:14:11.380 no YouTube.

00:14:12.100 Yeah.

00:14:12.460 Yeah.

00:14:12.720 That would be rougher.

00:14:14.040 Much, much harder.

00:14:15.000 And also as well,

00:14:16.100 there's the people at the top

00:14:17.240 who are gatekeepers

00:14:18.140 who come from

00:14:18.680 a certain strata of society.

00:14:20.680 So,

00:14:21.100 they pick things,

00:14:22.200 they pick people

00:14:23.020 or acts that they like,

00:14:24.980 which is fair enough.

00:14:25.880 But you go,

00:14:26.820 well,

00:14:26.980 but you're just excluding

00:14:28.060 all these other people.

00:14:29.660 Do you know what I mean?

00:14:30.360 So,

00:14:30.560 if they want an Asian guy,

00:14:32.040 they're going to get

00:14:32.520 an Asian public school guy.

00:14:34.220 If they want a white guy,

00:14:35.540 they're going to get

00:14:36.000 a white public school guy.

00:14:37.300 I feel like you're really 1.00

00:14:38.840 like talking shit 0.98

00:14:40.740 about Phil Wang now. 0.99

00:14:41.520 No,

00:14:41.700 we love you, Phil.

00:14:43.280 We have friends outside.

00:14:44.880 We love you, Phil.

00:14:46.180 But I can agree

00:14:48.260 with the point.

00:14:48.760 You're going to pick

00:14:49.220 people you like, right?

00:14:50.020 Because that's what

00:14:51.160 you have to go off of.

00:14:52.200 And I always felt like

00:14:54.360 my vibe wasn't right

00:14:56.500 for UK TV.

00:14:58.020 And that's not like

00:14:58.880 a racism thing or anything.

00:15:00.360 It's like UK TV,

00:15:01.420 it's a little bantery

00:15:03.780 and softer.

00:15:04.900 I just go very hard.

00:15:06.100 Insults.

00:15:06.780 Right.

00:15:07.220 That kind of thing.

00:15:08.140 So,

00:15:08.860 the internet works

00:15:09.660 better for me.

00:15:10.680 It's the same for us.

00:15:11.580 Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:12.340 And also as well,

00:15:13.280 it's because

00:15:13.760 we kind of like

00:15:14.980 our comedians

00:15:15.620 to be victims here.

00:15:16.740 Of going,

00:15:17.220 oh,

00:15:17.940 I'm so sad.

00:15:19.120 I'm so fat. 0.80

00:15:20.080 I can't get girls. 1.00

00:15:21.360 I'm like,

00:15:21.560 what are you talking about?

00:15:22.260 You're abusing three backstage.

00:15:23.880 But anyway.

00:15:25.540 Francis has been saving up

00:15:26.920 for this conversation.

00:15:28.720 Have you had

00:15:29.280 Philip Scofield on yet?

00:15:30.300 The class thing,

00:15:31.180 the comedians

00:15:32.620 harassing women thing. 0.99

00:15:34.320 What else do you need

00:15:35.040 to get off the chat?

00:15:35.680 I'm going to get it

00:15:36.340 all off my chair.

00:15:37.160 Who didn't give you a gig

00:15:38.760 in Cuntington on scene?

00:15:39.820 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:41.500 Off the curve.

00:15:42.240 No.

00:15:44.380 Just slagging off.

00:15:45.500 Look, Nigel,

00:15:46.300 let's focus on you

00:15:47.040 rather than on Francis' trauma

00:15:48.460 from the Comedy Circuit days.

00:15:50.560 So one of the things is

00:15:52.100 you're very different

00:15:54.040 to the type of people

00:15:54.980 that we normally have

00:15:55.840 on the show

00:15:56.220 because very often

00:15:57.180 we're talking about

00:15:57.980 quite serious things.

00:15:58.960 People got cancelled

00:15:59.720 for saying the wrong thing,

00:16:00.900 blah, blah, blah.

00:16:02.300 You've been cancelled twice

00:16:03.660 by somebody

00:16:04.840 that we don't usually

00:16:05.860 see people get cancelled by,

00:16:07.460 which is the

00:16:07.840 Chinese Communist Party.

00:16:09.380 Yeah, so

00:16:10.180 I think in total

00:16:11.420 I've gotten cancelled

00:16:12.420 like four times.

00:16:13.940 Oh, four times?

00:16:14.580 Yeah, but China

00:16:15.400 is the biggest one

00:16:17.020 that I have to do

00:16:17.860 with China,

00:16:18.320 the two biggest ones.

00:16:19.300 The two other ones

00:16:20.020 is one I tweeted

00:16:20.600 when Russia invaded Ukraine

00:16:23.240 that same day.

00:16:24.080 I was adding an extra show

00:16:25.120 in Kiev, guys.

00:16:25.960 Link in bio.

00:16:26.740 And then

00:16:27.040 got some articles.

00:16:28.740 Not the best joke,

00:16:29.840 but it did inspire

00:16:30.720 like a nice little bit

00:16:32.660 that I do on stage

00:16:33.680 and that got

00:16:34.580 quite a few views.

00:16:36.640 And then the other

00:16:37.320 small cancellation

00:16:38.020 was I was touring Singapore 0.99

00:16:39.440 and talked shit 0.99

00:16:40.060 about their food 1.00

00:16:40.700 and Asians

00:16:41.200 would take our food

00:16:41.880 very seriously.

00:16:42.640 But it ended up

00:16:44.040 well,

00:16:44.380 it ended up

00:16:44.680 selling out

00:16:45.020 the second show

00:16:45.720 in Singapore

00:16:46.120 so that was good.

00:16:47.520 But yeah,

00:16:47.880 we are here to talk

00:16:48.820 about the two

00:16:49.500 big ones, right?

00:16:50.740 So for a bit of context

00:16:52.680 because I grew up

00:16:53.460 in Malaysia,

00:16:54.180 I went to a

00:16:55.480 Mandarin-speaking

00:16:56.200 secondary school.

00:16:57.920 So I'm Chinese-Malaysian.

00:16:59.860 My great-grandparents

00:17:00.720 were from China.

00:17:01.420 So I bring that up

00:17:02.080 because in Malaysia

00:17:02.900 a lot of us

00:17:03.640 we have those

00:17:04.800 distant ties to China.

00:17:05.980 My great-grandparents

00:17:07.660 were from there.

00:17:08.860 So we have a little bit

00:17:09.980 of an affinity.

00:17:10.880 We still think of it

00:17:11.600 as like,

00:17:11.920 oh, that's a cool place.

00:17:13.100 We consume Chinese media

00:17:14.340 and we speak the language.

00:17:15.840 We have friends from there.

00:17:17.200 We like to visit there.

00:17:19.280 We have a bit more

00:17:21.200 of an affinity

00:17:21.760 compared to the Western world.

00:17:23.360 So that's a bit

00:17:23.960 of a context

00:17:24.500 from how I grew up

00:17:25.460 and where I come from.

00:17:26.720 So the first

00:17:28.020 Chinese cancellation,

00:17:29.500 that was January 2021.

00:17:32.740 So at this point,

00:17:33.700 I was only maybe

00:17:34.740 five months into

00:17:35.860 Uncle Roger

00:17:36.460 and just started to, 1.00

00:17:38.880 oh, shit, 0.99

00:17:39.260 people are paying 1.00

00:17:41.480 attention to me

00:17:42.120 just started being known.

00:17:43.920 So I didn't know

00:17:44.640 what I was doing.

00:17:45.240 So I collabed

00:17:46.480 with this guy.

00:17:47.600 His name is Mike Chen.

00:17:48.740 He runs a YouTube channel

00:17:50.060 called Strictly Dumpling

00:17:51.280 and then you go

00:17:52.040 to his channel,

00:17:52.580 it's just food vlogs.

00:17:53.580 So I thought,

00:17:54.300 oh, yeah,

00:17:54.580 it's just a food vlogger.

00:17:55.580 Cool.

00:17:56.360 So we reviewed

00:17:57.380 this video together

00:17:58.540 where over Zoom

00:17:59.380 we were both reviewing,

00:18:00.660 I think it was Epicurious

00:18:01.920 or some food network

00:18:04.520 making a chef

00:18:05.800 making dumplings

00:18:06.520 and doing a horrific job

00:18:08.120 about that.

00:18:09.120 So we were just

00:18:09.880 roasting the food,

00:18:10.900 whatever,

00:18:11.980 edited a video,

00:18:13.180 posted it.

00:18:14.240 I remember I posted it

00:18:15.920 and then I had to go back

00:18:17.220 to Malaysia

00:18:17.640 to visit family

00:18:18.420 because Malaysia

00:18:19.260 just started allowing

00:18:20.700 foreign residents in.

00:18:22.200 Land in Malaysia,

00:18:23.100 you have to quarantine

00:18:23.700 for a week

00:18:24.340 inside a hotel room

00:18:25.440 by yourself.

00:18:26.400 It is very normal

00:18:27.120 procedure at the time.

00:18:28.680 You get a negative test,

00:18:29.600 quarantine a hotel room

00:18:30.320 for a week

00:18:30.720 and then I remember

00:18:31.500 just unpacking

00:18:33.040 the hotel room,

00:18:34.080 sleeping,

00:18:34.680 waking up

00:18:35.040 and then I got a message

00:18:35.740 from the people

00:18:37.080 who manage

00:18:37.820 my Chinese social media.

00:18:39.380 I just started

00:18:40.340 Weibo and Bilibili

00:18:41.880 at the time.

00:18:42.480 Weibo is Chinese 0.99

00:18:43.560 Twitter-like platform

00:18:46.700 and Bilibili

00:18:47.380 is Chinese YouTube.

00:18:48.780 So I just started

00:18:49.580 those platforms,

00:18:50.480 paid a bit of money

00:18:51.020 up front for them

00:18:51.720 to start it

00:18:52.180 and then I got a message

00:18:53.700 from them saying,

00:18:54.380 my Chinese social media agent

00:18:55.460 saying,

00:18:55.820 hey Nigel,

00:18:56.320 your video,

00:18:57.220 your account's

00:18:58.060 getting reported

00:18:58.680 because apparently

00:19:00.020 that Mike Chen guy

00:19:00.940 from Strictly Dumpling

00:19:01.840 is one,

00:19:03.980 very, very

00:19:05.200 anti-CCP

00:19:07.020 publicly on his

00:19:08.100 social media

00:19:08.760 and two,

00:19:09.360 he's also part

00:19:10.000 of this organization

00:19:11.240 called Falun Gong.

00:19:12.660 Are you familiar?

00:19:13.680 We are.

00:19:14.080 You are,

00:19:14.700 but I guess

00:19:15.220 you're a Western audience.

00:19:15.820 But tell our audience

00:19:16.060 a little bit more.

00:19:16.800 Tell our audience

00:19:17.300 a little bit more

00:19:17.760 about Falun Gong.

00:19:18.120 Yeah, it's...

00:19:19.420 I have to be careful

00:19:20.660 with my words here.

00:19:21.200 I don't want to get sued,

00:19:21.900 you know?

00:19:22.820 So...

00:19:23.060 Yeah, be careful

00:19:23.780 because we could get sued as well.

00:19:25.340 Extra careful.

00:19:26.140 I hope you have

00:19:27.320 liability insurance.

00:19:29.380 So it's an organization.

00:19:31.620 A lot of people think

00:19:32.920 it's a cult,

00:19:34.040 but if you ask someone

00:19:34.760 from Falun Gong,

00:19:35.480 they will just say

00:19:36.240 they are an organization,

00:19:38.400 a spiritual organization

00:19:39.620 that practices

00:19:40.280 the three universal truths

00:19:42.300 of honesty,

00:19:43.800 forbearance,

00:19:44.440 and compassion,

00:19:45.380 you know,

00:19:45.660 whatever that means, right?

00:19:46.480 But a lot of people online

00:19:47.860 think it's a cult, right?

00:19:50.280 And it's a cult

00:19:51.300 that's very, very...

00:19:52.720 Let's think of it

00:19:53.320 as Chinese Scientology.

00:19:54.480 But apparently 0.99

00:19:56.140 some shit happened 0.99

00:19:57.360 when they were in China. 0.99

00:19:59.380 The founder of Falun Gong 0.98

00:20:01.880 fled China

00:20:02.680 and nobody really knows

00:20:05.080 what happens.

00:20:05.960 I just know 0.99

00:20:07.040 some shit has gone down. 0.99

00:20:08.280 And all this stuff 0.99

00:20:09.040 is impossible

00:20:09.820 to research online,

00:20:11.120 especially on Western internet.

00:20:13.260 And, like,

00:20:14.240 it's just impossible

00:20:15.080 to find.

00:20:15.600 You'll find resources

00:20:16.780 from Falun Gong

00:20:18.380 affiliated organizations

00:20:19.340 say,

00:20:19.680 oh, we just do Tai Chi

00:20:21.800 in the park every day,

00:20:22.780 you know?

00:20:23.000 Why are you persecuting us?

00:20:24.260 And then you see

00:20:24.820 on the China side,

00:20:25.660 it's like,

00:20:25.840 no, they did a lot 1.00

00:20:26.660 of crazy shit back then. 1.00

00:20:27.860 So, do your own research. 0.99

00:20:29.100 I'm not gonna say anything

00:20:30.600 that would incriminate me.

00:20:31.980 So, basically,

00:20:33.000 if you're seen in China,

00:20:35.320 if you're seen working

00:20:36.060 with someone

00:20:36.760 from this organization,

00:20:37.680 that's an automatic ban.

00:20:39.060 You'll be like,

00:20:40.020 persona non grata.

00:20:41.580 You can't even

00:20:42.300 enter the country.

00:20:43.700 So, that's why

00:20:44.560 my accounts

00:20:45.120 were getting reported

00:20:46.080 because people think

00:20:47.080 in Chinese social media,

00:20:48.980 you get a lot of these.

00:20:49.900 Over here,

00:20:50.400 you call them

00:20:50.680 social justice warriors.

00:20:52.000 That is their flavor.

00:20:53.260 They're very jingoistic,

00:20:54.420 nationalist-type people

00:20:55.600 saying,

00:20:55.880 oh, have you seen

00:20:56.860 Uncle Roger work

00:20:57.480 with this guy?

00:20:58.400 And then they would just,

00:20:59.760 they have these

00:21:00.440 nationalist pages,

00:21:02.020 they would have

00:21:02.420 their fans report you,

00:21:04.260 kind of doxing you,

00:21:05.100 you know?

00:21:05.280 So, that's how

00:21:05.940 my accounts got,

00:21:08.400 was about to get suspended.

00:21:09.480 And I was like, 1.00

00:21:09.820 oh, shit, 1.00

00:21:10.620 what do you do? 1.00

00:21:11.160 I have no clue.

00:21:12.420 I was new to this

00:21:13.500 whole social media thing,

00:21:14.600 right?

00:21:14.740 So, I asked my

00:21:15.420 Chinese social media agents

00:21:16.680 who were,

00:21:18.240 all of them were Chinese people

00:21:19.760 based in China.

00:21:20.780 So, they said,

00:21:21.560 oh, yeah,

00:21:22.020 well, when something

00:21:22.660 like this happens,

00:21:23.460 usually we just issue

00:21:24.280 a statement

00:21:24.820 and then take down

00:21:27.260 the video,

00:21:27.680 that should go away.

00:21:28.340 And then I was like,

00:21:29.880 oh, okay.

00:21:30.360 I had no clue, right?

00:21:31.160 So, I was like,

00:21:31.480 just handle it,

00:21:32.220 just handle it.

00:21:32.800 So, they wrote me a statement.

00:21:34.360 I read it.

00:21:34.780 I was like,

00:21:34.900 oh, yeah,

00:21:35.220 it feels like,

00:21:35.840 you know,

00:21:36.020 copy and paste,

00:21:36.620 boilerplate statement.

00:21:38.080 Yeah, yeah,

00:21:38.320 it's fine.

00:21:38.680 Just post it.

00:21:40.060 But then I posted a statement.

00:21:41.240 And then someone on Twitter,

00:21:45.040 now, it's the Western world,

00:21:47.020 saying,

00:21:47.380 oh, have you seen

00:21:48.040 Uncle Roger apologizing

00:21:49.340 and kowtowing to the CCP?

00:21:51.400 I was like, 1.00

00:21:51.720 oh, shit. 0.99

00:21:52.240 I read the statement back. 1.00

00:21:54.760 I was like,

00:21:55.400 oh, yeah, okay,

00:21:56.000 it does sound like I am.

00:21:57.800 In hindsight,

00:21:58.920 if I were to do things differently,

00:22:01.600 I would probably, like,

00:22:02.480 be more involved

00:22:03.480 in that process

00:22:04.580 and be like,

00:22:05.460 no, let's not post this

00:22:06.500 because it does read, like,

00:22:08.540 I am apologizing,

00:22:10.360 which I'm not.

00:22:11.000 But I just,

00:22:11.960 you know,

00:22:12.400 like,

00:22:12.800 I bring up the Malaysia affinity

00:22:14.520 to China stuff

00:22:15.220 because, you know,

00:22:16.100 we,

00:22:16.820 a lot of Malaysians

00:22:17.820 have Chinese socials.

00:22:18.860 So it's a normal thing

00:22:20.120 to have Weibo and Bilibili.

00:22:22.280 You know,

00:22:22.520 it's not just a money-grabbing thing.

00:22:24.540 Oh, so to me,

00:22:26.100 it's like,

00:22:26.280 okay,

00:22:26.520 maybe different social medias

00:22:27.840 have different rules.

00:22:29.180 I had no clue, right?

00:22:30.380 So I just,

00:22:31.340 if I could do it all over again,

00:22:32.720 I would just be more,

00:22:34.620 I would look at a statement

00:22:35.600 more closely

00:22:36.220 and see what I can actually say.

00:22:37.380 It's a weird thing now

00:22:38.320 in the world.

00:22:38.900 Sorry to interrupt.

00:22:39.500 We'll get to your second cancellation.

00:22:41.000 in a second.

00:22:41.600 But it's like,

00:22:42.500 Fourth, mate.

00:22:43.720 Fourth, well, yeah.

00:22:45.120 But it's like,

00:22:45.840 it's,

00:22:46.920 I instinctively think

00:22:49.240 that generally speaking,

00:22:50.360 if you don't feel

00:22:50.980 you've done anything wrong,

00:22:52.100 you shouldn't apologize.

00:22:53.780 But on the other hand,

00:22:54.660 when you're new to it,

00:22:55.740 you're just taking off,

00:22:56.860 you're trying to manage

00:22:57.880 the fallout

00:22:58.540 from something

00:22:59.000 you didn't even know about

00:23:00.120 and didn't intend.

00:23:00.980 Well, my Mandarin

00:23:01.720 is also a bit rusty now.

00:23:03.840 And to me,

00:23:04.440 that letter didn't read

00:23:05.440 like an apology.

00:23:06.300 It just read,

00:23:07.360 oh, I think

00:23:08.680 if you translated it verbatim,

00:23:10.780 and feel free to post

00:23:11.640 the statement,

00:23:12.180 I don't really mind.

00:23:13.720 Oh, Uncle Roger,

00:23:15.040 I didn't know

00:23:16.660 that Mike Chen

00:23:17.720 had these views

00:23:18.560 towards China.

00:23:21.440 So I hope you guys

00:23:23.180 can give me a chance

00:23:24.180 because I'm new

00:23:24.740 to these Chinese socials.

00:23:25.760 I hope you guys

00:23:26.280 will give Uncle Roger

00:23:27.420 a chance

00:23:28.000 and give me a chance

00:23:31.520 and let me continue

00:23:32.260 entertaining you.

00:23:32.960 That kind of thing.

00:23:33.940 So it didn't really

00:23:35.080 like an apology.

00:23:35.920 And also in China,

00:23:37.060 people,

00:23:38.200 the Chinese audiences,

00:23:39.640 they're also like us,

00:23:40.840 normal people,

00:23:41.240 they don't care.

00:23:41.800 They just want something

00:23:42.620 funny to watch,

00:23:43.620 you know.

00:23:44.200 So they also know,

00:23:45.480 oh yeah,

00:23:45.920 it's just boilerplate,

00:23:46.860 copy and paste.

00:23:47.720 It's Nigel's management team

00:23:49.200 posting it.

00:23:49.760 But in the West,

00:23:51.340 people just take it

00:23:52.500 at face value,

00:23:53.480 you know.

00:23:53.860 So it reads

00:23:54.860 like an apology.

00:23:55.900 So, yeah.

00:23:56.820 And what does that feel like?

00:23:58.360 Because you're not somebody

00:23:59.520 who's overly political.

00:24:01.720 No, no.

00:24:02.360 Yeah, we're talking about

00:24:02.820 dub things.

00:24:03.900 All of a sudden,

00:24:04.800 I have this.

00:24:05.680 And when it happened,

00:24:07.480 I didn't even know

00:24:08.060 why I was cancelled.

00:24:08.980 I was researching

00:24:10.000 my cancellation

00:24:10.760 in real time.

00:24:12.040 And that's how I learned

00:24:12.680 about all this Falun Gong,

00:24:14.020 all this stuff.

00:24:15.160 And it's such

00:24:17.060 an incendiary thing.

00:24:18.960 And what did it feel like?

00:24:21.080 So,

00:24:22.820 just so we all remember,

00:24:25.380 I was stuck in a hotel room

00:24:26.420 by myself for seven days.

00:24:27.660 I was in day two.

00:24:28.940 And my only access

00:24:30.020 to the outside world

00:24:31.080 was the internet.

00:24:32.180 Wow.

00:24:32.580 And because it was

00:24:34.420 such an incendiary thing

00:24:35.420 and there are bots

00:24:36.220 all over the world,

00:24:37.440 they would just constantly

00:24:38.520 send you messages.

00:24:39.460 And you know there are bots

00:24:40.120 because it's different usernames,

00:24:41.360 but they tweet

00:24:42.100 the same exact message at you.

00:24:44.700 Like,

00:24:45.240 they'll call me

00:24:45.700 a CCP apologist,

00:24:47.980 Uyghur genocide denier,

00:24:50.640 I'm pro human rights abuse,

00:24:53.380 I'm pro the Tiananmen massacre, 1.00

00:24:55.780 all those things.

00:24:57.280 Bootlicker,

00:24:57.960 CCP bootlicker,

00:24:59.380 constantly,

00:24:59.820 every two,

00:25:00.260 three seconds,

00:25:01.220 I had a new comment

00:25:02.040 like that on my Instagram,

00:25:03.240 TikTok,

00:25:03.760 Facebook,

00:25:04.280 YouTube.

00:25:05.380 So,

00:25:05.680 just a constant onslaught.

00:25:07.380 I remember,

00:25:07.940 and Reddit as well.

00:25:09.020 It just became...

00:25:09.400 Did you think you were

00:25:10.220 going to lose everything?

00:25:11.320 Yeah,

00:25:11.780 yeah.

00:25:12.120 I bet you did.

00:25:12.860 I bet you did.

00:25:13.840 Because again,

00:25:14.500 I was stuck in a hotel room.

00:25:15.720 If I could go out

00:25:17.500 and see,

00:25:18.040 I was in Malaysia too,

00:25:18.980 so I'm probably

00:25:20.240 quite well known.

00:25:21.260 I am quite well known

00:25:22.300 back there.

00:25:22.880 So,

00:25:23.100 if I had the chance

00:25:24.700 to leave that hotel room 0.97

00:25:25.720 and nobody gave a shit, 0.98

00:25:27.160 you'd be like, 0.97

00:25:27.440 oh,

00:25:27.600 I love your work,

00:25:28.380 Uncle Roger.

00:25:28.760 Maybe at that moment,

00:25:31.400 maybe some people

00:25:32.720 would have just been

00:25:33.580 quietly ignoring me,

00:25:34.800 but I would have noticed.

00:25:35.800 I just didn't know

00:25:36.640 who I was.

00:25:38.120 But yeah,

00:25:38.500 in that moment,

00:25:39.960 yeah,

00:25:40.100 I remember like,

00:25:40.960 first cancellation,

00:25:42.260 right?

00:25:42.420 First big,

00:25:43.200 big cancellation.

00:25:43.860 And I just got successful

00:25:45.160 for four months.

00:25:46.440 Wow.

00:25:46.720 So this is like,

00:25:47.400 I worked so hard,

00:25:48.940 10 years of my life

00:25:49.840 working towards this.

00:25:50.720 I just started being successful. 0.99

00:25:52.060 Oh shit, 1.00

00:25:52.400 is this all going to go away? 1.00

00:25:53.500 And people are tweeting at me,

00:25:54.340 oh,

00:25:54.860 his career started

00:25:56.200 with a fried rice video,

00:25:57.340 ended with a dumpling.

00:25:58.000 You know,

00:25:58.280 people are just brutal,

00:25:59.260 man.

00:25:59.520 Yeah.

00:25:59.760 Yeah.

00:26:00.080 So yeah,

00:26:00.560 I did think I was going to lose it all.

00:26:04.060 It's interesting.

00:26:04.920 The reason I ask you is

00:26:05.920 we had a moment

00:26:07.140 when we had only about

00:26:08.360 like 100,000 subscribers

00:26:10.020 and a bunch of people

00:26:12.880 came in

00:26:14.060 and they started spamming

00:26:15.240 our channel

00:26:16.600 with a bunch of stuff,

00:26:17.920 downvoting our videos,

00:26:19.280 whatever.

00:26:19.540 and we definitely

00:26:22.420 in that moment

00:26:23.600 were like,

00:26:24.180 whoa,

00:26:24.960 this like,

00:26:26.020 you know how you're like,

00:26:26.960 you're just moving up

00:26:27.760 and everything's great

00:26:28.620 and then suddenly

00:26:29.920 it's like,

00:26:30.220 whoa,

00:26:30.800 you know,

00:26:31.220 so that's a terrifying feeling.

00:26:33.320 Yeah,

00:26:33.640 they don't prepare you for this.

00:26:35.020 I remember I was crying a lot too

00:26:36.440 and well,

00:26:37.460 because again,

00:26:38.280 I was stuck in the hotel room

00:26:39.380 by myself

00:26:39.880 and my mom,

00:26:41.540 bless her, 0.99

00:26:42.140 she follows my career 0.91

00:26:43.540 very closely.

00:26:44.800 Every time there's a news article,

00:26:46.180 she would send it to me.

00:26:47.120 Oh,

00:26:47.300 look at you,

00:26:47.740 Nigel,

00:26:48.100 this newspaper in Malaysia

00:26:49.460 is reporting about you.

00:26:50.300 Good job.

00:26:51.240 So the flip side is

00:26:52.280 every news article that says,

00:26:54.540 oh,

00:26:55.520 Uncle Roger turns,

00:26:56.700 apparently is a pro-CCP

00:26:58.060 apologist

00:26:59.100 and she would send me

00:27:00.640 that article too.

00:27:01.900 She was like,

00:27:02.340 mom,

00:27:02.960 please.

00:27:03.880 I know,

00:27:04.320 I know you're showing concern

00:27:06.220 but this is not good for me

00:27:07.340 right now.

00:27:08.340 Yeah,

00:27:08.540 so that was rough

00:27:09.920 and the bot thing too,

00:27:11.840 when we get to the

00:27:12.540 second cancellation thing,

00:27:13.640 the bots

00:27:15.520 apply to both parties.

00:27:17.880 Anything to do with China,

00:27:18.860 if you're pro-China,

00:27:19.780 the bots will come at you. 0.77

00:27:21.540 If you're perceived

00:27:22.900 as anti-China,

00:27:23.700 the bots will come at you as well

00:27:24.880 and another thing too

00:27:26.060 that people don't say,

00:27:27.360 the people don't warn you,

00:27:28.820 you have to prepare yourself

00:27:30.480 for getting hacked.

00:27:32.820 Once you touch that topic,

00:27:35.860 we'll plug my special later

00:27:38.940 but I'm hosting my special

00:27:40.900 on this website

00:27:41.500 called moment.co

00:27:42.740 and I just got cancelled

00:27:43.700 on,

00:27:44.060 I think the news article

00:27:44.780 broke on BBC,

00:27:45.540 NBC on Monday,

00:27:46.540 so six days ago.

00:27:48.700 My Moment account

00:27:50.120 got hacked.

00:27:51.080 So Moment is a platform

00:27:51.920 where you can put on

00:27:52.860 something and then

00:27:53.800 everybody can buy a ticket.

00:27:55.140 It's a pay-per-view platform.

00:27:56.440 You put on your content,

00:27:57.260 people buy a ticket,

00:27:57.980 they can view it together

00:27:58.620 with you when it premieres.

00:28:00.180 So yesterday night,

00:28:01.860 my Moment account

00:28:03.080 got hacked.

00:28:03.480 It's all good now

00:28:04.120 but then because I went

00:28:05.180 onto the page

00:28:05.940 and there were just

00:28:06.980 like lewd photos

00:28:07.860 and spammy links

00:28:08.900 all coming from my account

00:28:10.140 and I was like,

00:28:11.180 well,

00:28:11.320 I didn't do this.

00:28:12.940 And this is something

00:28:13.940 that I've worked with,

00:28:16.820 I've worked with a lawyer

00:28:17.560 who's been on the side of,

00:28:22.240 let's just say,

00:28:23.620 I don't want to reveal too much

00:28:24.600 but let's just say

00:28:25.200 he works on a thing

00:28:26.480 that China doesn't like

00:28:28.060 that he's working on.

00:28:30.980 Yeah,

00:28:31.680 so he told me,

00:28:34.060 he just warned me,

00:28:34.880 just okay,

00:28:35.820 I've been through this

00:28:36.620 and he's also lived in China

00:28:37.820 so he knows like

00:28:38.640 what it's like.

00:28:39.360 He said,

00:28:39.620 yeah,

00:28:39.980 be prepared,

00:28:41.080 set up two-factor authentication

00:28:42.280 and everything.

00:28:43.580 Things are going to get hacked

00:28:44.580 and yeah,

00:28:45.520 I do have,

00:28:46.240 my other platforms,

00:28:47.020 I get text messages saying,

00:28:48.700 oh,

00:28:49.140 did you try to sign

00:28:50.120 into your Instagram account?

00:28:51.140 Here's your confirmation code

00:28:52.460 and that kind of thing.

00:28:53.080 So Instagram

00:28:54.000 and Moment.co,

00:28:54.940 my Moment account

00:28:55.600 definitely got hacked

00:28:56.340 and then my other socials,

00:28:58.100 hopefully they are still okay.

00:28:59.020 I haven't,

00:28:59.600 it's okay so far.

00:29:01.360 Wow, man.

00:29:01.860 Yeah.

00:29:02.240 You know,

00:29:02.920 with our journey,

00:29:03.740 we are overtly political

00:29:05.540 with what we do.

00:29:06.380 We talk about politics,

00:29:07.780 we comment on politics,

00:29:09.020 we make jokes about politics

00:29:10.360 or videos

00:29:11.040 but everyone now online

00:29:13.200 has to be political.

00:29:15.040 You talk about food,

00:29:16.320 you now have to be political.

00:29:18.360 It's insane.

00:29:19.320 It's,

00:29:20.040 I basically stepped on the landmine.

00:29:22.120 You know,

00:29:22.380 the fact that,

00:29:23.540 to me,

00:29:24.120 that video was not political,

00:29:25.860 right?

00:29:26.660 But the fact that,

00:29:27.720 and I didn't even post it

00:29:28.700 on Chinese socials

00:29:29.580 but somebody from Chinese socials

00:29:31.320 screenshotted me on YouTube

00:29:32.520 working with this Mike Chen guy

00:29:33.920 and then posted on Weibo

00:29:35.780 and Bilibili

00:29:36.600 and I said,

00:29:37.360 look at this,

00:29:38.080 Uncle Roger's working

00:29:38.760 with a known cultist

00:29:39.900 and then that made it political.

00:29:43.180 So at that point,

00:29:43.980 it was loose,

00:29:44.640 loose either way.

00:29:45.360 If I kept the video up,

00:29:47.220 I would have nuked

00:29:47.900 my Chinese socials.

00:29:49.360 If I took the video down,

00:29:51.060 the Western world

00:29:51.640 would have hated me.

00:29:53.340 You know,

00:29:53.500 who'd you pick?

00:29:55.680 Well,

00:29:56.120 at that time,

00:29:56.720 I was like,

00:29:57.040 oh,

00:29:57.200 I just thought of the Chinese.

00:29:58.060 I didn't know it was going to be

00:29:59.120 such a big deal.

00:30:00.120 It was my naivete

00:30:01.060 and I own that mistake now,

00:30:02.840 definitely.

00:30:03.800 So yeah,

00:30:04.320 I picked taking the video down

00:30:06.100 because I was like,

00:30:06.780 oh,

00:30:07.100 my Chinese fans seem cool.

00:30:08.540 They like me.

00:30:09.400 Let's just keep it going.

00:30:10.480 Yeah.

00:30:11.560 And that became very political

00:30:13.260 and then when I took the video down

00:30:14.640 and the Western world

00:30:15.160 started hating on me,

00:30:17.180 Mike Chen,

00:30:18.720 he was,

00:30:19.280 this pissed me off a little bit,

00:30:21.720 you know,

00:30:21.980 because sure,

00:30:23.360 I did have to unfollow him

00:30:24.700 on my Chinese social media

00:30:26.020 agent's orders

00:30:27.680 and I think he should know

00:30:30.540 what is going on

00:30:31.340 but then he just went on all this

00:30:32.920 because he's part of the Falun Gong

00:30:34.240 and this is a known fact,

00:30:35.300 he promotes it on his channel

00:30:36.380 that he's part of this Falun Gong.

00:30:37.900 Falun Gong also does Shen Yun.

00:30:39.400 So most people,

00:30:40.300 they will know Shen Yun,

00:30:41.780 that show,

00:30:42.480 that Chinese,

00:30:43.460 on a tube advert,

00:30:44.360 you see a lot of tube adverts

00:30:45.260 on the show,

00:30:45.760 so that's affiliated with Falun Gong.

00:30:48.700 So, right,

00:30:49.400 right when the Western world

00:30:50.300 started hating me,

00:30:51.160 Mike Chen started doing

00:30:52.000 his whole rounds of podcasts

00:30:53.600 because the Falun Gong

00:30:54.500 own a lot of YouTube channels.

00:30:56.900 You know,

00:30:57.720 the Epoch Times

00:30:58.560 is a Falun Gong newspaper.

00:30:59.500 That's how I know about it

00:31:00.540 because we've,

00:31:01.580 I've done a couple of shows

00:31:02.960 on their platform

00:31:03.880 and we know someone there

00:31:05.060 who's actually not Chinese

00:31:06.080 who I think is part of it.

00:31:07.960 Yeah, it's not.

00:31:08.640 It's the Western,

00:31:09.880 the Falun Gong's Western arm.

00:31:11.960 And then they also have

00:31:13.060 the New Tang Dynasty 0.58

00:31:14.460 which is a YouTube channel

00:31:15.740 and a few other channels.

00:31:17.160 I think China Uncensored 0.97

00:31:18.220 on YouTube

00:31:18.680 is also part of their organization

00:31:20.580 and a lot of people say,

00:31:23.620 it's not me,

00:31:24.180 a lot of people are saying

00:31:25.460 that Mike Chen

00:31:26.100 is pretty high up

00:31:26.980 in that Falun Gong organization.

00:31:28.480 So, he has friends

00:31:29.240 in all these channels

00:31:29.940 and he was doing

00:31:30.440 just the podcast rounds.

00:31:31.380 Like, you know,

00:31:31.740 doing the Rogan circuit.

00:31:32.900 Yeah.

00:31:33.560 Was he slagging you off?

00:31:34.880 Was that what happened?

00:31:35.840 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:36.460 He threw you under the bus

00:31:37.600 a little bit.

00:31:37.920 Yeah, it threw me under the bus.

00:31:38.840 So, that was why

00:31:39.440 I was a little bit,

00:31:40.240 oh, come on, dude.

00:31:41.160 I'm new to this world.

00:31:42.460 I'm operating off the back foot here.

00:31:44.000 I don't even know

00:31:45.000 why I got cancelled.

00:31:45.780 I'm researching everything

00:31:46.700 and he threw me under the bus.

00:31:48.500 So, now people say,

00:31:50.840 we'll get to the second cancellation

00:31:52.540 but people ask,

00:31:53.300 now that China hates you, 0.92

00:31:54.180 are you going to put on

00:31:55.040 that old dumping video up?

00:31:56.680 So, I was like,

00:31:57.980 nah, because it just

00:31:58.980 doesn't feel great

00:31:59.760 being a pawn

00:32:00.520 in this war

00:32:02.380 between

00:32:03.060 China's 0.76

00:32:05.980 the CCP's propaganda

00:32:07.220 and then the Falun Gong's propaganda.

00:32:09.540 So, yeah, 0.94

00:32:10.440 it just left a shitty taste

00:32:11.980 in my mouth 0.54

00:32:12.440 is this whole thing.

00:32:13.400 Of course.

00:32:14.000 But what was great about that

00:32:15.340 and what was really heartening

00:32:16.220 to see

00:32:16.700 is that

00:32:17.220 you transcended that.

00:32:19.140 You moved on.

00:32:20.160 You are crushing it.

00:32:21.840 You know,

00:32:22.100 the socials were exploding.

00:32:24.260 You were doing brilliantly.

00:32:26.180 Thank you.

00:32:26.840 Thank you.

00:32:27.260 And you still are.

00:32:28.360 And you still are.

00:32:29.220 And then,

00:32:29.580 last week,

00:32:31.160 I went on Twitter.

00:32:32.120 I went,

00:32:32.360 oh, Nigel's

00:32:33.120 video's popped up

00:32:34.480 on my feed.

00:32:35.060 That's unusual.

00:32:35.660 What's going on with...

00:32:37.120 And then,

00:32:37.880 something else happened.

00:32:38.960 Yep, yep.

00:32:39.880 So,

00:32:40.520 fast forward

00:32:41.120 two years later.

00:32:42.200 I have to say,

00:32:42.780 your first cancellation

00:32:43.640 is like losing your virginity. 0.58

00:32:45.700 Exactly.

00:32:46.020 It's memorable,

00:32:47.560 but for all the wrong reasons.

00:32:50.480 I wish it lasted

00:32:51.580 as long as my first time.

00:32:52.340 You didn't know what you were doing.

00:32:53.520 You know, all that.

00:32:54.200 But it lasts a lot longer.

00:32:56.000 You know,

00:32:56.180 a cancellation now.

00:32:57.040 I think it lasts around

00:32:57.880 like two weeks

00:32:58.640 where you kept getting messages.

00:33:00.060 Yeah.

00:33:00.340 A pro tip for you guys.

00:33:01.860 You'll probably run into this soon.

00:33:03.800 When you get J.K. Rowling

00:33:04.900 on this podcast,

00:33:05.660 set up comment filters,

00:33:07.820 like keyword filters

00:33:08.680 for your comments

00:33:09.840 on all your socials

00:33:11.080 because you'll get people,

00:33:12.520 bots copy and pasting

00:33:13.640 the same thing.

00:33:14.320 So,

00:33:14.460 that's how you filter them out.

00:33:15.740 You guys should get Joanne on, 0.99

00:33:17.360 man.

00:33:17.680 Yeah.

00:33:17.960 Joanne Rowling.

00:33:18.680 She should come on.

00:33:20.460 Who else will interview her? 0.91

00:33:22.040 This is the podcast to be.

00:33:23.600 J.K. Rowling,

00:33:24.440 we know you're listening.

00:33:26.000 Joanne.

00:33:26.260 Uncle Roger has spoken.

00:33:27.400 But anyway,

00:33:30.260 so fast forward

00:33:31.380 two years later,

00:33:32.420 you recover from

00:33:33.360 the initial cancellation,

00:33:34.460 right?

00:33:34.660 Because the thing

00:33:35.440 that people don't tell you

00:33:36.500 about getting cancelled,

00:33:37.720 at least in that way,

00:33:38.580 is if you just let it go

00:33:40.480 and let it pass,

00:33:42.420 it's actually fine

00:33:44.260 two weeks later.

00:33:45.240 Yes.

00:33:46.220 But there's a caveat,

00:33:47.280 though.

00:33:47.420 I think to us,

00:33:48.400 it is like that.

00:33:49.260 But to someone

00:33:49.980 who has,

00:33:50.940 who's in regular employment,

00:33:52.780 that may be a little

00:33:53.500 trickier for them.

00:33:54.240 So,

00:33:54.500 we do have a little bit

00:33:55.660 of a privilege there.

00:33:56.400 But yes,

00:33:57.220 you just have to

00:33:57.880 keep trucking on,

00:33:59.420 keep hustling.

00:34:00.580 I did lose a few sponsors.

00:34:02.420 I did lose quite a bit of money

00:34:03.840 throughout the whole thing.

00:34:05.700 But eventually,

00:34:06.800 the sponsors come back

00:34:08.180 and yeah,

00:34:09.820 they lose a bit of money.

00:34:10.520 It's fine.

00:34:10.800 Just put away,

00:34:12.100 when you're an entertainer,

00:34:13.160 you should put away some stuff

00:34:14.220 because you know 0.99

00:34:14.680 shit's going to happen, 0.99

00:34:15.480 you know? 1.00

00:34:15.860 Yeah.

00:34:16.660 So,

00:34:16.940 fast forward two years later,

00:34:18.040 I finished my tour,

00:34:20.720 so I'm about to release

00:34:21.720 my special,

00:34:22.940 dropping June 4th,

00:34:24.120 click link in the description.

00:34:26.460 I'm about to release my special,

00:34:27.820 so to release it,

00:34:29.160 because it's a pay-per-view,

00:34:30.260 you want to drum up

00:34:30.860 some sales, right?

00:34:31.500 So,

00:34:31.760 you want to put out

00:34:32.360 some small clips

00:34:33.080 as a marketing.

00:34:34.520 So,

00:34:34.920 one of the clips I chose,

00:34:36.680 you know,

00:34:37.040 when you put out a clip,

00:34:38.500 a clip that works well

00:34:39.420 for marketing

00:34:39.900 is a clip

00:34:40.400 that will go viral

00:34:42.000 because the more people see it,

00:34:43.480 the more people buy it,

00:34:44.200 obviously, right?

00:34:44.980 So,

00:34:45.320 I was like,

00:34:45.780 okay,

00:34:46.080 what clip's going to go viral?

00:34:48.040 So,

00:34:48.400 because I've been through

00:34:49.000 the cancellation,

00:34:49.680 I know that this China stuff,

00:34:50.740 my instinct tells me

00:34:51.560 this bit will ruffle some feathers.

00:34:55.360 So,

00:34:55.760 feel free to put that bit in.

00:34:57.180 Where are you from?

00:34:57.760 Are you from Boston?

00:34:59.080 Originally from Guangzhou.

00:35:00.420 Guangzhou,

00:35:00.960 China? 0.73

00:35:01.780 China,

00:35:02.340 okay,

00:35:02.840 China,

00:35:03.320 good country,

00:35:04.100 good country,

00:35:04.720 good country,

00:35:06.520 good country.

00:35:08.400 Woo! 0.99

00:35:08.680 We have to say that now,

00:35:11.500 correct?

00:35:13.200 All their phone listening,

00:35:14.460 all their phone listening.

00:35:16.760 This nephew got Huawei phone,

00:35:18.740 they all listening.

00:35:19.520 Do you use ExpressVPN?

00:35:24.560 Woo! 0.99

00:35:24.820 Yeah!

00:35:27.340 Nice.

00:35:28.540 Nice.

00:35:31.740 Don't let your government hear that,

00:35:33.560 please.

00:35:35.320 Or our phone,

00:35:36.040 tap into it,

00:35:36.760 long live presidency,

00:35:38.340 long live presidency.

00:35:41.200 Woo! 0.99

00:35:41.540 Uncle Roger,

00:35:44.260 social credit score going up.

00:35:47.140 Nice.

00:35:48.900 From China, 0.61

00:35:49.920 okay,

00:35:50.260 anyone,

00:35:50.620 anyone,

00:35:51.080 any niece and nephew from Taiwan?

00:35:54.620 Not a real country.

00:35:55.980 Not a real,

00:35:56.740 not a real country.

00:36:01.600 I hope one day you rejoin the motherland.

00:36:04.160 One China. 0.91

00:36:07.460 No, no,

00:36:08.080 don't clap too hard.

00:36:08.880 This is not political show.

00:36:10.180 No,

00:36:10.400 don't clap.

00:36:11.540 Uncle Roger going to get cancelled

00:36:14.060 after tonight.

00:36:15.940 I basically,

00:36:17.020 kind of,

00:36:18.800 kind of,

00:36:19.380 mocked both sides.

00:36:21.060 You know,

00:36:21.300 I think that's a good comment.

00:36:22.540 You need to play both sides

00:36:23.980 and get both sides pissed off at you.

00:36:25.840 Otherwise,

00:36:26.260 it feels,

00:36:26.740 you feel more like a politician

00:36:27.840 if you're just very pro

00:36:29.880 or leaning against one side,

00:36:31.280 right?

00:36:31.420 So,

00:36:31.920 in that bid,

00:36:32.560 I made,

00:36:32.880 I think,

00:36:33.880 I pulled off making fun of both

00:36:35.600 China and,

00:36:37.420 and Taiwan at the same time.

00:36:39.600 And again,

00:36:40.220 these are all jokes,

00:36:41.000 you know,

00:36:41.140 when I come to my show,

00:36:42.680 there's maybe like,

00:36:43.420 just that joke

00:36:44.680 kind of touches

00:36:45.400 on a political nerve,

00:36:46.620 somewhat,

00:36:47.420 lightly.

00:36:48.300 But the things I say is like,

00:36:49.400 oh,

00:36:49.700 Huawei,

00:36:50.120 are they all listening?

00:36:51.200 Ha ha ha ha.

00:36:51.760 That's the kind of things

00:36:52.520 we all say,

00:36:53.300 right?

00:36:53.660 Yeah.

00:36:54.000 Yeah.

00:36:54.300 Oh,

00:36:54.760 Chinese,

00:36:55.400 they're all listening.

00:36:56.400 Oh,

00:36:56.600 anyone from Taiwan?

00:36:57.500 Oh,

00:36:57.600 not a real country,

00:36:58.260 not a real country.

00:36:58.800 That's kind of jokes we all see.

00:36:59.580 That's like the standard

00:37:00.660 in a comedy club.

00:37:02.060 You find out where someone's from,

00:37:03.280 you make fun of their country.

00:37:04.560 Yeah.

00:37:04.800 Move on to the next person.

00:37:06.020 That's what you do.

00:37:06.560 It's not even that big a deal.

00:37:08.120 It's just,

00:37:08.560 maybe I,

00:37:09.240 I know more about this

00:37:10.640 because of my cancellations.

00:37:11.620 So I could like,

00:37:12.740 I was quick and off the cuff.

00:37:13.920 And a little bit of a spoiler here.

00:37:16.160 I've done that joke many times.

00:37:17.380 You know,

00:37:17.520 it looks like I just,

00:37:18.520 you know,

00:37:18.740 improvise.

00:37:19.300 Oh,

00:37:19.440 you're from China?

00:37:20.140 Oh.

00:37:20.580 But no,

00:37:21.460 a lot of my shows,

00:37:22.240 I have people from China

00:37:22.940 come to my shows.

00:37:24.300 And I have to say,

00:37:25.880 I sold like close to 100,000 tickets

00:37:27.760 for the tour.

00:37:28.560 That bit worked everywhere.

00:37:30.000 You know,

00:37:30.540 I did have to cancel Taiwan,

00:37:32.800 but that wasn't because of that bit.

00:37:33.920 That was because

00:37:34.360 the COVID restrictions

00:37:35.860 were still there.

00:37:37.000 So it worked everywhere.

00:37:38.260 I know it's a good bit.

00:37:39.200 I know it's funny.

00:37:40.920 And I know it also

00:37:41.520 will ruffle some feathers.

00:37:42.360 It's a little bit,

00:37:43.100 slightly controversial.

00:37:44.880 And it's just fun.

00:37:46.580 So I know that I was going to do well.

00:37:48.160 I didn't know I was going to do this well.

00:37:49.700 You know,

00:37:50.280 appearing on BBC and everything.

00:37:51.580 So I posted that.

00:37:53.220 And then,

00:37:53.840 again,

00:37:55.620 the same thing happened.

00:37:56.740 Somebody,

00:37:57.300 I didn't post it on Chinese socials.

00:37:59.000 Because,

00:37:59.420 yeah,

00:37:59.720 on Chinese socials,

00:38:00.660 you can't really mention

00:38:01.640 the president by name.

00:38:02.660 That is just a no-no.

00:38:03.840 And

00:38:03.940 why go through the trouble?

00:38:06.480 I have a feeling

00:38:07.040 they're going to be pissed off at this.

00:38:08.640 And I was right.

00:38:09.680 But I didn't post it

00:38:10.420 on any Chinese socials.

00:38:12.440 Somebody,

00:38:12.760 again,

00:38:13.440 some nationalist

00:38:14.140 Weibo person

00:38:15.800 screenshotted that

00:38:17.320 and then posted it

00:38:18.040 on their accounts.

00:38:18.880 And then my account got

00:38:19.680 reported

00:38:20.840 and suspended

00:38:22.200 this time.

00:38:23.520 So now...

00:38:24.120 Even though you didn't post it?

00:38:25.160 I didn't post it.

00:38:26.100 So they haven't banned you

00:38:27.440 for breaking the rules

00:38:28.740 of Weibo.

00:38:30.320 They've banned you

00:38:31.100 for having the,

00:38:32.060 what they think

00:38:32.860 is the wrong opinion,

00:38:33.700 even though it's just a joke.

00:38:35.040 Essentially.

00:38:35.680 Initially,

00:38:36.260 I got banned

00:38:36.900 because of the reports

00:38:38.100 from other people.

00:38:39.660 But my Chinese social media team,

00:38:41.240 my current one,

00:38:41.920 has recently informed me

00:38:42.920 that ban also,

00:38:44.360 it's not just a social media platform ban.

00:38:46.300 It also came from higher up.

00:38:47.980 Okay.

00:38:48.360 Whatever that means.

00:38:49.120 I don't know what that means.

00:38:50.540 What I know is

00:38:51.280 I probably won't be able

00:38:52.440 to go to China or Hong Kong

00:38:53.980 in the indefinite future.

00:38:57.740 Which is, you know,

00:38:58.520 it's the price I have to pay.

00:39:00.040 I can still go to Taiwan,

00:39:00.860 hopefully,

00:39:01.380 before China nukes them.

00:39:02.940 I should go before...

00:39:04.440 I can see why you got

00:39:05.620 cancelled by China, mate.

00:39:07.620 So you have that video.

00:39:09.920 We'll include it in this

00:39:11.180 if it's okay with you.

00:39:13.300 And then your Chinese 0.99

00:39:15.040 social media accounts

00:39:16.120 get nuked.

00:39:17.000 Anything else?

00:39:18.940 I think all four of them

00:39:21.100 got nuked.

00:39:21.860 Right.

00:39:21.980 Yeah, I'm on four

00:39:22.740 Chinese socials now.

00:39:24.200 So, and then,

00:39:25.720 I've learned from last time.

00:39:28.740 I know if I make

00:39:30.080 any sort of statement

00:39:31.020 trying to like say,

00:39:32.200 oh, on Chinese socials

00:39:33.700 saying that,

00:39:34.140 oh, it's just a joke, guys.

00:39:35.720 And by the way,

00:39:36.380 the Chinese fans on my socials,

00:39:38.060 they all know it's just a joke.

00:39:40.120 They all enjoy it.

00:39:41.360 It's just this very tiny...

00:39:42.760 It's kind of like

00:39:43.160 the Western world too, right?

00:39:44.420 These social justice

00:39:45.380 jingoistic warriors

00:39:46.780 that are like,

00:39:47.320 oh, I can't believe

00:39:48.120 he humiliated China.

00:39:49.620 There's a term

00:39:51.400 in Mandarin currently,

00:39:53.060 it's a very trendy term

00:39:54.140 called ru hua

00:39:54.880 and it translates

00:39:55.820 to humiliate China. 0.76

00:39:57.520 And then,

00:39:58.320 there's a joke

00:39:59.440 in the Taiwanese

00:40:00.280 anti-China country circles

00:40:02.480 that go like,

00:40:04.580 oh, humiliating China 1.00

00:40:06.300 is a thing

00:40:06.720 everybody goes through

00:40:07.460 because they're so sensitive.

00:40:08.800 That kind of thing.

00:40:09.800 So, there are three things

00:40:10.820 in life that you will do.

00:40:12.480 You were born, 0.94

00:40:13.100 you humiliate China, 1.00

00:40:13.900 and you die. 1.00

00:40:14.760 That's the joke.

00:40:15.640 So, and I've just learned

00:40:18.320 about all of this.

00:40:19.080 And it is true,

00:40:20.200 there's a very vocal,

00:40:21.840 very sensitive people

00:40:23.480 who will report everything.

00:40:25.580 And coincidentally,

00:40:27.100 when I was cancelled,

00:40:28.160 the day before,

00:40:29.040 there was a Chinese comedian.

00:40:30.160 His name is Li Haoshi.

00:40:31.780 He made a joke.

00:40:33.100 I listened to that joke.

00:40:33.840 He just said,

00:40:34.480 oh, I saw a few dogs

00:40:37.100 and they were just really energetic

00:40:39.420 and I really want him

00:40:40.500 to protect my house

00:40:41.700 because those dogs

00:40:42.480 reminded me of,

00:40:43.720 and then he said

00:40:44.720 the Chinese military catchphrase.

00:40:47.240 I forgot the catchphrase,

00:40:48.400 but he basically used

00:40:49.100 that catchphrase in that bit

00:40:50.740 and the bit got an applause break.

00:40:52.020 I listened to that actual bit.

00:40:53.360 So, everybody in the comedy club

00:40:54.360 found it funny,

00:40:55.020 but apparently somebody

00:40:56.280 recorded illegal footage

00:40:58.000 of just audio,

00:40:59.500 posted it.

00:41:00.820 He might face

00:41:01.940 three months in jail.

00:41:03.940 His management company

00:41:05.760 is fined 1.5 million pounds.

00:41:08.660 Wow.

00:41:09.320 Yeah.

00:41:09.500 So, it is fortunate that,

00:41:12.000 you know,

00:41:12.340 I'm not,

00:41:12.900 my nationality is not Chinese.

00:41:14.700 You know,

00:41:14.880 my ethnicity,

00:41:15.940 yes, you know,

00:41:16.580 Chinese,

00:41:17.080 but that's always tricky.

00:41:19.220 Isn't it nice to be white sometimes?

00:41:20.520 You know what I mean?

00:41:23.520 I have, like,

00:41:24.520 some, like,

00:41:25.100 we have ties to China.

00:41:27.060 My family has distant ties to China.

00:41:29.080 So, I was like,

00:41:29.400 oh, yeah,

00:41:29.620 let's start this Chinese social media.

00:41:30.840 So, now, look where I ended up.

00:41:32.740 You know,

00:41:32.880 just all this headache.

00:41:34.360 And sometimes,

00:41:35.240 I also feel that

00:41:36.580 not having Chinese socials 0.87

00:41:38.440 is also,

00:41:39.980 long-term,

00:41:42.240 it's also more freeing

00:41:43.580 for your comedy, man,

00:41:44.540 because there are so many things

00:41:46.060 that you don't even know

00:41:47.620 will be considered

00:41:48.600 as offensive in China.

00:41:49.720 For example,

00:41:50.720 I used,

00:41:51.180 I reviewed this video.

00:41:52.320 I think it was a Jamie Oliver video

00:41:53.960 making,

00:41:55.240 he was making some sort of fried fish

00:41:56.580 and he wrapped the fish

00:41:57.380 in banana leaf, right?

00:41:59.500 So, I was like,

00:42:00.020 oh, the banana leaf

00:42:00.740 doesn't look fresh,

00:42:01.640 but it's okay

00:42:02.280 because he probably imported

00:42:03.420 that banana leaf

00:42:04.040 all the way from Malaysia

00:42:05.120 to the UK.

00:42:06.000 So, in that,

00:42:08.000 I had an animation

00:42:08.840 of a banana leaf

00:42:09.760 on a world map

00:42:10.460 just flying from,

00:42:11.800 my editor made this animation

00:42:12.800 from flying from Malaysia

00:42:14.040 all the way to the UK.

00:42:15.780 But,

00:42:16.340 that world map

00:42:17.160 that he downloaded

00:42:17.860 had the word Taiwan on it.

00:42:19.640 Oh.

00:42:20.200 Yeah.

00:42:20.880 And then my Chinese social media person

00:42:22.620 is like,

00:42:23.080 oh, you can't post this video.

00:42:24.540 You have to take this scene out

00:42:26.100 otherwise you,

00:42:26.760 you know what's going to happen.

00:42:29.320 And I was like,

00:42:29.720 okay,

00:42:30.060 well,

00:42:30.620 he spent so much time

00:42:31.480 making this animation.

00:42:32.340 Can we just keep that scene in?

00:42:33.700 Keep that scene in

00:42:34.440 for the YouTube version

00:42:35.240 and we do it

00:42:36.120 something differently

00:42:36.740 for the Chinese socials?

00:42:38.660 And she was like,

00:42:39.320 no,

00:42:39.700 you can't

00:42:40.400 because,

00:42:40.780 again,

00:42:41.080 they're going to screenshot that

00:42:42.160 and post it on Weibo

00:42:43.360 and Bilibili.

00:42:44.760 So,

00:42:45.220 this kind of thing,

00:42:46.020 it's like,

00:42:46.860 I want to,

00:42:47.660 I like my Chinese fans,

00:42:49.260 you know,

00:42:49.480 and they like me too, 1.00

00:42:50.620 but there's just so much shit 1.00

00:42:52.460 that you don't even think 0.99

00:42:53.620 is offensive

00:42:54.060 that will be misconstrued

00:42:55.240 as offensive

00:42:55.720 that will get me nuked.

00:42:57.080 Anyway,

00:42:57.400 so,

00:42:57.560 oh well.

00:42:59.060 Nigel,

00:42:59.560 were you ever under pressure

00:43:00.780 as well

00:43:01.280 from your agents

00:43:02.680 not to put that clip out

00:43:04.360 or when you put that clip out

00:43:05.740 to apologize

00:43:06.320 because they're going,

00:43:07.380 hang on a second here,

00:43:08.540 you're going to lose

00:43:09.160 this entire market,

00:43:10.640 it's huge,

00:43:11.720 Uncle Roger could be

00:43:13.140 absolutely massive over there,

00:43:15.380 just play the game,

00:43:17.060 et cetera.

00:43:19.100 I have credit to my agent,

00:43:20.380 he was very supportive,

00:43:22.600 he leaves all the creative decisions

00:43:24.900 to me,

00:43:25.680 you know,

00:43:26.080 so,

00:43:26.680 he didn't come and say,

00:43:28.400 oh no,

00:43:28.720 don't put that,

00:43:29.360 think of the Chinese market.

00:43:30.560 My Chinese social media team

00:43:32.080 do think that,

00:43:33.900 obviously,

00:43:34.320 right,

00:43:34.520 that's their job,

00:43:35.360 if they post something

00:43:36.720 that will knowingly get me nuked

00:43:39.020 on China,

00:43:39.600 they'll get fired,

00:43:40.340 so,

00:43:40.620 yeah,

00:43:41.060 I know where they're coming from,

00:43:42.040 but my agent has been just very

00:43:43.300 all good about it,

00:43:45.060 you know,

00:43:45.740 he knows what I'm doing,

00:43:47.600 and also,

00:43:48.620 you say,

00:43:49.540 I do,

00:43:50.220 I have lost all my Chinese socials, 0.99

00:43:53.160 and yeah,

00:43:53.620 sure,

00:43:53.840 you lose a little bit of money,

00:43:54.900 but you also win new fans,

00:43:56.740 right,

00:43:56.980 you also win fans who are like, 0.99

00:43:58.080 oh shit, 1.00

00:43:58.860 this Uncle Roger guy has balls, 1.00

00:44:00.280 fuck, 1.00

00:44:00.600 respect, 1.00

00:44:01.120 you know,

00:44:01.420 so,

00:44:02.360 yeah,

00:44:02.680 it's not a business calculation,

00:44:04.600 I don't exactly know,

00:44:06.160 am I ahead,

00:44:07.000 or am I,

00:44:07.740 would I have made more money

00:44:08.700 if I apologize,

00:44:09.500 but it's like,

00:44:11.020 as a comic,

00:44:11.900 it just feels right

00:44:13.240 to make fun of every side,

00:44:14.880 you know what I mean,

00:44:15.620 in our DNA,

00:44:16.600 we still have that, 0.99

00:44:17.320 I want to talk shit about everybody, 0.98

00:44:19.040 so, 0.98

00:44:20.020 if,

00:44:20.400 if,

00:44:21.360 and if I put out a clip like that,

00:44:23.680 on my own terms,

00:44:24.680 I knew what was going to happen,

00:44:26.200 and I knew that clip was funny,

00:44:27.340 I can stand behind it,

00:44:28.520 I wouldn't apologize,

00:44:29.640 that's just something I told myself,

00:44:31.360 it's a better way to live man,

00:44:33.080 it's a better way to live,

00:44:34.460 yeah,

00:44:35.000 I probably won't be cast in any Disney film,

00:44:37.620 or any Marvel film,

00:44:39.320 but,

00:44:40.260 it's not like I'm getting casted in it anyway,

00:44:41.820 so,

00:44:42.240 it's fine,

00:44:44.560 well,

00:44:44.940 they're not trendy,

00:44:45.560 A24s are trendy now anyway, 1.00

00:44:47.360 and cast,

00:44:47.800 cast me in that,

00:44:48.420 you know,

00:44:48.580 you know,

00:44:51.000 it does take integrity,

00:44:52.780 to know that,

00:44:54.280 although we make a joke about it,

00:44:55.940 there was a very real chance,

00:44:57.420 or there was a possibility,

00:44:58.800 that you could have at least,

00:44:59.980 had an audition for something like that,

00:45:02.300 that that path could have been open to you,

00:45:04.820 but by doing this,

00:45:05.860 you know that you've closed that gate,

00:45:08.120 mm-hmm,

00:45:08.660 mm-hmm,

00:45:10.140 well,

00:45:11.040 France is rubbing it in now,

00:45:12.520 so be it right,

00:45:13.440 you know,

00:45:13.760 sometimes you have to say,

00:45:15.540 yeah,

00:45:15.840 my life is pretty comfortable,

00:45:17.720 I make enough money,

00:45:19.000 that's okay,

00:45:19.760 if I don't have a yacht,

00:45:20.760 for the rest of my life,

00:45:21.520 that's fine,

00:45:22.280 and more than that,

00:45:23.340 I think you're right though,

00:45:24.360 Nigel,

00:45:24.720 in that,

00:45:25.180 I think actually,

00:45:26.240 what you'll probably find,

00:45:27.420 is long term,

00:45:28.740 this benefits your career,

00:45:30.240 rather than hindering it,

00:45:31.680 yeah,

00:45:32.200 maybe,

00:45:32.840 I think it will,

00:45:33.920 I definitely think it will,

00:45:35.280 because,

00:45:35.640 as a comic too,

00:45:36.820 like you get on stage,

00:45:37.740 someone says he's from China,

00:45:39.100 come on,

00:45:40.120 like what are you gonna say,

00:45:41.240 oh China, 0.99

00:45:41.780 okay,

00:45:42.140 moving on,

00:45:42.700 come on,

00:45:43.860 it's in the news,

00:45:44.420 the Chinese fire balloon,

00:45:45.760 it's a comic,

00:45:46.980 come on,

00:45:47.460 like you'll be disingenuous,

00:45:49.060 if you don't mention something,

00:45:50.820 right,

00:45:51.700 and what are your,

00:45:53.080 what are your opinions now,

00:45:54.620 because now that,

00:45:55.440 because before you went into this,

00:45:57.560 you must have had one opinion,

00:45:59.560 no,

00:45:59.760 let's not call it China,

00:46:00.860 the CCP,

00:46:01.880 but having dealt with them,

00:46:03.080 having scrapes with them,

00:46:04.400 what is your opinion now,

00:46:06.060 of it?

00:46:08.180 I'm not the most political guy,

00:46:10.300 but I do think,

00:46:11.740 yeah,

00:46:11.880 they are a little,

00:46:12.880 they're a little,

00:46:14.680 sensitive to jokes,

00:46:16.100 and they're cracking down on comedy,

00:46:18.020 like,

00:46:19.140 I don't know,

00:46:19.880 like,

00:46:20.300 recently,

00:46:21.120 they've cracked down on comedy even more,

00:46:22.840 and they've cracked down on,

00:46:23.760 like,

00:46:23.960 Western,

00:46:25.100 entertainment,

00:46:26.640 like,

00:46:26.840 bands on there even more,

00:46:28.260 because I was in this New York Times article,

00:46:29.820 so I was reading,

00:46:30.380 I was like, 1.00

00:46:30.580 oh shit, 0.99

00:46:30.940 it's not just happening to me, 1.00

00:46:32.000 and that other Chinese comedian,

00:46:33.180 like,

00:46:33.380 a lot of,

00:46:33.860 like,

00:46:34.440 Western bands,

00:46:35.320 or Japanese bands,

00:46:36.280 groups,

00:46:36.680 they suddenly had to cancel appearances,

00:46:38.160 for no good reason,

00:46:39.920 so,

00:46:41.080 I don't know,

00:46:41.840 I,

00:46:42.000 I,

00:46:42.420 I don't,

00:46:43.980 I never really thought about them,

00:46:46.000 the CCP,

00:46:46.580 that much,

00:46:47.600 now I just feel like my opinion is like,

00:46:49.560 oh,

00:46:50.040 it's,

00:46:50.220 it would be really hard to,

00:46:52.680 to not offend anybody on their platforms,

00:46:56.320 and the thing is,

00:46:57.420 on Western platforms,

00:46:58.440 if you offend someone,

00:46:59.580 it's,

00:46:59.720 it's still fine,

00:47:00.540 they still let your platforms keep going,

00:47:02.440 right,

00:47:02.660 that's how,

00:47:03.120 you know,

00:47:03.420 you guys and Rogan got so big,

00:47:05.220 because,

00:47:06.220 um,

00:47:07.820 they just let,

00:47:08.420 let it be,

00:47:09.200 it's more,

00:47:10.000 it's,

00:47:10.260 there's more leeway here,

00:47:11.580 I'm not saying speech is completely free,

00:47:14.200 on,

00:47:14.460 on,

00:47:14.680 on Western media,

00:47:15.480 it's probably not,

00:47:16.040 but it's a lot,

00:47:16.940 definitely a lot,

00:47:17.580 a lot freer,

00:47:18.700 than in China.

00:47:19.720 Well,

00:47:19.860 this is why I always say that,

00:47:21.220 like,

00:47:21.600 cultures,

00:47:22.660 or countries,

00:47:23.760 or regimes,

00:47:24.740 or whatever,

00:47:25.420 where comedy,

00:47:26.320 censored,

00:47:26.920 like,

00:47:27.220 the moment you start,

00:47:28.240 see comedians being censored,

00:47:29.680 you're like,

00:47:30.080 this is,

00:47:30.440 this is,

00:47:30.880 this place is going in the wrong direction,

00:47:32.980 you know what I mean?

00:47:33.820 And that seems to be like,

00:47:34.880 what you're saying there as well.

00:47:36.600 Um,

00:47:37.600 it's interesting.

00:47:38.580 Yeah,

00:47:38.780 I mean,

00:47:39.140 I haven't,

00:47:39.660 I haven't thought about it like that,

00:47:40.700 but yeah,

00:47:41.080 yeah,

00:47:41.220 don't put words in my mouth,

00:47:42.380 man,

00:47:42.500 but,

00:47:42.760 no,

00:47:43.780 I wasn't saying about China specifically,

00:47:45.500 I actually think in the West as well,

00:47:46.960 like,

00:47:47.200 the reason I sometimes get annoyed by people being censored,

00:47:50.920 is that,

00:47:51.420 to me,

00:47:51.720 that's a move towards that direction,

00:47:54.160 like,

00:47:54.500 growing up in the Soviet Union,

00:47:55.700 and I saw this,

00:47:56.660 and so I'm kind of like,

00:47:57.860 let's not go,

00:47:58.860 let's not move in that direction,

00:48:00.400 do you know what I mean?

00:48:01.000 Yeah,

00:48:01.680 but you also can't just post a video of you saying the N-words,

00:48:04.260 like,

00:48:04.560 a thousand times,

00:48:05.240 right?

00:48:06.160 I don't know,

00:48:06.860 have you tried?

00:48:08.340 I mean,

00:48:09.080 that,

00:48:09.400 that one,

00:48:09.820 I can get it,

00:48:10.580 like,

00:48:10.840 if someone,

00:48:11.640 if someone says they are censored,

00:48:13.200 and I say,

00:48:13.460 what do you do?

00:48:14.100 I just say the N-word a thousand times,

00:48:15.720 you know,

00:48:16.000 like,

00:48:16.160 in Mr. B's video,

00:48:17.520 I say Logan Paul 10,000 times.

00:48:19.340 Yeah.

00:48:19.780 Yeah,

00:48:20.040 but it's,

00:48:20.520 yeah,

00:48:20.920 I get it,

00:48:22.320 that's,

00:48:23.280 now I sound like I'm pro-censorship,

00:48:24.920 cut that part out,

00:48:25.700 it's not going to say anything.

00:48:26.740 No,

00:48:26.900 it's all good.

00:48:27.360 But yeah,

00:48:27.620 I do agree with you on that.

00:48:29.060 I'm not trying,

00:48:29.660 look,

00:48:29.920 I'm not trying to put any words in your mouth at all,

00:48:31.620 I'm genuinely curious.

00:48:33.100 I was just saying,

00:48:33.940 the reason that I talk about,

00:48:36.720 uh,

00:48:37.680 restrictions on jokes and speech in general,

00:48:40.080 in the West,

00:48:41.120 is that I don't like that the West seems to me,

00:48:43.280 at least,

00:48:43.580 to be moving towards that.

00:48:44.960 I'm not saying anything like that.

00:48:46.420 You see what I mean?

00:48:47.080 Yeah,

00:48:47.380 yeah.

00:48:47.620 I don't know if that makes sense to you.

00:48:48.840 You don't have to agree.

00:48:49.660 Is it moving towards that?

00:48:51.220 Maybe it is.

00:48:52.260 I just haven't,

00:48:53.020 I don't really pay attention to these things much.

00:48:55.820 But I do,

00:48:56.540 I do listen to,

00:48:57.540 to,

00:48:57.800 to the trigonometry.

00:48:59.460 And,

00:48:59.640 uh,

00:49:00.500 yeah,

00:49:00.860 yeah,

00:49:02.020 it has been an opinion that's echoed a lot on,

00:49:04.080 on social media too.

00:49:05.160 Yeah.

00:49:05.780 So.

00:49:06.020 But you don't agree with it?

00:49:08.040 I haven't thought about it enough to,

00:49:09.480 to agree.

00:49:10.100 Fair enough.

00:49:10.720 Yeah.

00:49:10.920 I think,

00:49:11.600 I think,

00:49:12.200 uh,

00:49:13.780 maybe because I haven't been personally affected that much until,

00:49:16.820 but when I'm affected,

00:49:18.200 it's from the Chinese side,

00:49:19.260 right?

00:49:19.600 Yeah.

00:49:19.960 But you also did,

00:49:21.040 it actually,

00:49:21.540 it's a different point,

00:49:22.600 uh,

00:49:22.820 not about censorship at all,

00:49:24.440 but I,

00:49:25.160 I,

00:49:25.320 my sense isn't actually that it's just happening in the West or it's just social justice people.

00:49:30.040 Like there's people who are like the opposite of social justice people.

00:49:33.000 They get just as triggered by someone saying something they don't like either. 0.97

00:49:37.580 So I just think it's social media in general makes people feel like everyone should give a shit about their opinion. 0.98

00:49:44.400 Do you know? 0.98

00:49:44.960 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:49:46.400 I,

00:49:46.660 I,

00:49:47.240 yeah,

00:49:47.480 I,

00:49:47.620 I know what you mean.

00:49:48.460 And also the,

00:49:49.080 the echo chamber doesn't help because any opinion you express,

00:49:51.940 there'll be tons of people agreeing with you,

00:49:53.480 you know,

00:49:53.660 even though it's a very extreme view of things.

00:49:57.140 But I like social media.

00:49:58.440 TikTok is fun though,

00:49:59.280 you know?

00:49:59.680 Yeah.

00:49:59.920 You know,

00:50:00.480 it's,

00:50:00.900 it's good.

00:50:01.700 Hey look,

00:50:02.180 and let's be fair.

00:50:03.380 There's plenty to criticize Nigel with social media and we can talk about it till,

00:50:08.140 you know,

00:50:08.420 the proverbial cows come home as it were. 1.00

00:50:10.820 But this wouldn't have happened without social media.

00:50:13.580 Uncle Roger wouldn't have happened without social media.

00:50:16.140 We all in this room have a lot to be grateful to social media for.

00:50:20.520 Andrew Tate wouldn't have happened.

00:50:22.900 That guy is so entertaining,

00:50:25.060 right?

00:50:26.020 Oh,

00:50:26.280 you should have him on.

00:50:27.000 Has he been on?

00:50:27.940 No,

00:50:28.180 he hasn't been on.

00:50:28.780 That guy's the most entertaining guy,

00:50:31.040 man.

00:50:31.740 Yeah?

00:50:32.040 Why do you like him? 1.00

00:50:33.360 He's ridiculous. 1.00

00:50:34.420 Don't take advice from him. 1.00

00:50:35.580 I'm saying,

00:50:35.900 don't listen to him at all,

00:50:37.460 but he's just like,

00:50:39.060 you know,

00:50:39.700 when you text your girl,

00:50:40.920 never text her in the morning.

00:50:42.080 Text her 11 p.m.

00:50:43.100 or 1 a.m.

00:50:43.760 And then she's like,

00:50:44.400 baby,

00:50:44.780 why don't you sleep?

00:50:45.460 And say,

00:50:45.820 money doesn't sleep,

00:50:46.580 baby.

00:50:46.840 And then don't reply to her.

00:50:48.020 Like, 1.00

00:50:48.280 fuck it, 1.00

00:50:48.680 that's so funny. 1.00

00:50:51.000 He's like a cartoon version of how to pick up women. 0.99

00:50:53.520 Totally.

00:50:53.860 And then the thing with Greta Thunberg,

00:50:58.280 you know,

00:50:58.780 he got arrested because he was like mocking her.

00:51:01.560 It's just, 1.00

00:51:01.940 you can't write this shit, 1.00

00:51:02.840 right? 1.00

00:51:02.900 It's like a sitcom character.

00:51:04.200 It is like a sitcom character.

00:51:05.940 I sometimes think about this.

00:51:08.680 My girlfriend's made this point.

00:51:10.380 She goes,

00:51:10.860 look,

00:51:11.560 social media is just the new soap opera.

00:51:14.500 That's all it is.

00:51:15.720 There's the characters,

00:51:16.860 people fall out.

00:51:17.740 Have you heard what he said about her?

00:51:19.180 And she said about him and all this.

00:51:22.080 And this is really important.

00:51:23.860 And you go out in the big wide world and no one cares.

00:51:26.180 Yeah.

00:51:26.320 Because it's a complete soap opera.

00:51:28.300 Exactly.

00:51:28.840 Exactly.

00:51:29.260 You get the people on Reddit who care.

00:51:31.640 I was just shopping around for a Japanese knife,

00:51:35.160 right?

00:51:35.720 It has to do with the story.

00:51:37.080 Trust me.

00:51:37.460 And then I go there and then he brings out this beautiful knife.

00:51:40.420 He's like,

00:51:40.560 oh,

00:51:40.820 this one is 1,500 pound.

00:51:42.700 Wow.

00:51:43.960 Japanese cleaver.

00:51:45.100 And then he's like,

00:51:46.320 yeah,

00:51:46.540 you know,

00:51:46.860 you should buy this,

00:51:47.540 man.

00:51:47.680 You should buy it.

00:51:47.980 He knows who I am.

00:51:48.660 He knows I do.

00:51:49.260 You should buy this.

00:51:50.220 You should buy this.

00:51:50.600 Because everybody on Reddit loves this knife.

00:51:53.420 This Japanese knife figure doesn't make knives anymore.

00:51:55.680 He retired.

00:51:56.300 So this is one of the last three knives in the world in circulation.

00:51:59.380 Everybody on Reddit will love you.

00:52:01.220 I'm like,

00:52:02.040 I just want to chop some spring onions,

00:52:03.320 mate. 1.00

00:52:04.200 I don't care if Reddit will love my new fucking knife. 1.00

00:52:07.280 1,500 pounds for a knife. 1.00

00:52:09.060 I can't do that.

00:52:09.740 You won't even use it.

00:52:11.220 You're too careful,

00:52:12.140 too scared.

00:52:12.860 Yeah.

00:52:13.220 That is true.

00:52:14.120 So what does the future hold now for you,

00:52:15.560 Nigel?

00:52:16.400 What's the future hold?

00:52:17.940 Well,

00:52:18.340 I hope the launch of my special will go well.

00:52:21.020 We'll do a full plug at the end.

00:52:22.300 And I think...

00:52:23.880 We've plugged it about four times already.

00:52:26.200 Wait,

00:52:26.480 what?

00:52:26.900 What?

00:52:30.760 I'm releasing that and...

00:52:32.740 You're releasing that,

00:52:33.660 in fact,

00:52:33.980 as people are watching this.

00:52:35.180 It's already out.

00:52:35.860 It's already out today

00:52:37.280 and it will be online,

00:52:39.160 available for purchase and viewing

00:52:40.780 for two more weeks.

00:52:41.820 After June 18,

00:52:42.900 it will be gone.

00:52:44.200 By the way,

00:52:44.760 the premiere date is June 4th.

00:52:46.960 Today?

00:52:47.680 Yeah,

00:52:48.000 today,

00:52:48.600 which is unknowingly,

00:52:49.880 I just picked that premiere date

00:52:51.000 because my videos,

00:52:51.860 I put out my videos on Sundays.

00:52:53.140 Yeah.

00:52:53.360 Right?

00:52:53.540 And then I wanted to release it like

00:52:55.080 soonish,

00:52:55.700 before summer.

00:52:56.660 Before summer.

00:52:57.220 So I said,

00:52:57.520 oh,

00:52:57.660 June 4th.

00:52:58.740 Apparently,

00:52:59.400 June 4th,

00:52:59.940 1989

00:53:00.360 is the day of the Tiananmen Massacre.

00:53:03.560 So I'm like,

00:53:04.600 you can't do anything.

00:53:05.840 Jesus Christ.

00:53:06.780 You guys are really too much into this.

00:53:08.900 And then,

00:53:09.580 the people who are anti-CCP,

00:53:11.540 they're like cheering for me.

00:53:12.600 Yeah,

00:53:12.780 Uncle Roger, 1.00

00:53:13.320 fucking so smart, bro. 1.00

00:53:15.140 Look at this. 0.99

00:53:15.800 He's putting it on June 4th.

00:53:17.760 And then,

00:53:18.240 he knows what he's doing.

00:53:20.060 I'm like,

00:53:20.220 no, no,

00:53:20.520 it was just a coincidence.

00:53:22.020 And then,

00:53:22.480 in my video,

00:53:23.140 I had a response video

00:53:23.900 to the cancellation.

00:53:24.840 Me and the character

00:53:25.540 chopping spring onions,

00:53:26.900 going like,

00:53:27.540 hi,

00:53:27.900 yeah,

00:53:28.040 I got canceled.

00:53:29.540 But,

00:53:30.300 you know, 1.00

00:53:30.480 I'm just talking shit. 1.00

00:53:31.480 Go buy the special. 1.00

00:53:32.200 I'm just doing some marketing for it.

00:53:33.980 And then,

00:53:34.280 apparently,

00:53:35.100 chopping spring onion

00:53:35.940 also has a hidden

00:53:37.060 metaphorical meaning in China

00:53:38.660 of like,

00:53:39.640 the government ripping off

00:53:40.700 the people.

00:53:42.120 Something like that.

00:53:43.320 I think chopping chives

00:53:44.480 is the term.

00:53:46.840 And then,

00:53:47.040 people are like,

00:53:47.420 yeah,

00:53:47.720 go Uncle Roger.

00:53:49.000 You know,

00:53:49.420 he's an artist.

00:53:50.640 He has so many hidden meanings

00:53:51.620 in his videos.

00:53:53.200 He's going to say that,

00:53:54.300 man.

00:53:54.500 And then,

00:53:54.680 you're going to go and click

00:53:55.580 on the photo of his special.

00:53:57.200 It's just you doing this.

00:53:58.020 behind the American flag.

00:54:00.540 Brother,

00:54:01.040 look,

00:54:01.340 I think you should be honest

00:54:02.440 about the fact

00:54:03.040 that you love the Falun Gong.

00:54:05.180 Just come out with it.

00:54:06.700 You've put all the dates,

00:54:07.900 you've been hinting

00:54:08.620 with the chives,

00:54:09.440 the chopping,

00:54:10.180 the everything.

00:54:10.680 Just stand by your beliefs,

00:54:13.300 I'm pro Falun Gong. 0.62

00:54:14.700 Hey, listen,

00:54:15.220 Falun Gong,

00:54:15.740 if you guys buy the special,

00:54:17.060 I'll be a practitioner.

00:54:18.780 I'll start downloading

00:54:19.700 your meditation videos.

00:54:21.460 Tai Chi in the park.

00:54:22.380 Yes,

00:54:22.600 I'm going to be one of those

00:54:23.420 protesters.

00:54:24.700 You'll see them in Chinatown

00:54:25.680 and say,

00:54:26.000 oh,

00:54:26.200 China's harvesting our organs.

00:54:27.720 That's the Falun Gong. 0.93

00:54:28.980 So,

00:54:29.140 I'll join one of your marches,

00:54:30.380 Falun Gong,

00:54:30.820 if you buy the special.

00:54:32.420 Moment.co,

00:54:33.120 that's Mr.

00:54:33.620 Nigel.

00:54:34.060 Nigel's the same as ever,

00:54:35.160 just a pure businessman.

00:54:36.320 He is, man.

00:54:37.060 He is. 0.99

00:54:37.660 Zero fucks given. 0.99

00:54:38.900 I like that. 0.98

00:54:39.600 He's just all,

00:54:40.320 I remember you

00:54:41.380 when you're at the end of a gig

00:54:42.680 and we're all there

00:54:43.680 being these little comedians

00:54:45.340 going,

00:54:45.740 I hope someone likes me.

00:54:47.320 And then Nigel was at the front

00:54:48.980 watching the people going back

00:54:50.200 handing out business cards.

00:54:51.340 Yes,

00:54:51.600 I did that for a little bit.

00:54:53.040 I was so,

00:54:53.800 I wish QR codes were a thing back then.

00:54:56.140 Yeah.

00:54:56.480 You know,

00:54:56.920 but they weren't,

00:54:57.580 that was pre-COVID.

00:54:58.560 No,

00:54:58.800 but you were always very driven.

00:55:00.040 I remember we started,

00:55:01.160 I think we started trigonometry,

00:55:02.380 well,

00:55:02.540 we did.

00:55:02.900 We started trigonometry

00:55:03.760 before you started on Carroja.

00:55:05.780 Yeah.

00:55:06.240 Depression and Thor.

00:55:06.840 And you were still looking

00:55:08.380 for the thing

00:55:09.180 that you were going to do.

00:55:10.080 And you were always asking about,

00:55:11.720 you know,

00:55:11.900 how do you do this?

00:55:12.640 How do you do that?

00:55:13.800 And I just,

00:55:14.760 I do think that work ethic

00:55:16.220 is a big part of the reason

00:55:17.320 you're here.

00:55:18.280 Honestly.

00:55:18.800 Thank you very much.

00:55:19.900 Yeah.

00:55:20.040 I'm serious, man.

00:55:20.920 Like,

00:55:21.240 I always really noticed

00:55:22.380 that about you.

00:55:23.400 First of all,

00:55:23.760 you were good.

00:55:24.620 And secondly,

00:55:25.280 you were really driven.

00:55:27.200 Oh,

00:55:27.340 thanks.

00:55:27.680 Because if I run out of money,

00:55:28.900 I would be sent home to Malaysia, 1.00

00:55:30.180 you know.

00:55:30.920 I don't have a backup plan,

00:55:32.340 you know.

00:55:32.460 Not saying Malaysia is bad,

00:55:33.440 but I would like to,

00:55:34.200 you know,

00:55:34.400 continue doing what I love doing

00:55:35.860 in this country.

00:55:37.040 But the future holds.

00:55:38.080 I'm moving to LA for work.

00:55:39.720 I'm going to start

00:55:40.080 splitting time there and here.

00:55:41.080 I feel Americans work too hard. 0.98

00:55:44.000 You know,

00:55:44.220 I talked to,

00:55:44.820 as a YouTuber,

00:55:45.660 I worked with recently,

00:55:46.520 his name is Guga.

00:55:47.180 He's a state guy.

00:55:49.100 Love his stuff.

00:55:49.900 We worked together

00:55:50.320 on a few videos.

00:55:51.140 And he was like,

00:55:51.680 oh,

00:55:51.840 the last holiday,

00:55:52.460 he's on holiday right now

00:55:53.620 in Japan.

00:55:54.160 I see his stories.

00:55:55.280 But then he told me,

00:55:55.880 yeah,

00:55:55.960 I'm going to Japan.

00:55:56.760 And the last holiday I took

00:55:57.800 was seven years ago.

00:55:58.720 I had four days off.

00:56:00.980 And I was like,

00:56:01.480 nah,

00:56:01.820 America's worked too hard. 0.99

00:56:03.520 If that's a country

00:56:04.340 that it's between like,

00:56:05.640 American work ethic

00:56:06.640 and British work ethic,

00:56:07.560 I think I'm there.

00:56:08.720 Yeah.

00:56:09.080 I think I'll be too lazy

00:56:10.640 for Asia,

00:56:12.120 but too hardworking

00:56:13.040 for Britain.

00:56:13.820 Yeah.

00:56:14.040 Yeah.

00:56:14.320 I mean,

00:56:14.680 that's not saying a lot though,

00:56:15.820 is it?

00:56:17.400 That is weird.

00:56:18.260 When you come back

00:56:18.860 from America

00:56:19.580 and you just look around,

00:56:21.000 you go,

00:56:21.840 nothing works here

00:56:22.880 in comparison

00:56:23.800 and you can kind of see why.

00:56:25.520 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:25.700 Because no one really gives a shit. 0.98

00:56:26.860 Nothing works here 0.98

00:56:27.020 and they're proud

00:56:28.020 that it doesn't work.

00:56:29.120 That's what I like

00:56:29.920 about Britain, really. 1.00

00:56:31.040 Don't give a shit, mate. 1.00

00:56:32.180 They like tradition. 1.00

00:56:33.640 They like the old things,

00:56:34.780 you know,

00:56:34.900 period houses.

00:56:36.380 In America, 0.65

00:56:37.920 you just bulldoze it down.

00:56:39.920 Yeah.

00:56:40.100 You know something.

00:56:40.760 Yeah.

00:56:40.980 I live in a nice period house

00:56:42.200 and it's actually a rare to,

00:56:44.720 it's impossible to live

00:56:45.740 in one like that in Asia

00:56:47.080 because every 30 years,

00:56:48.800 40 years,

00:56:49.200 they bulldoze everything down,

00:56:50.220 especially in Japan.

00:56:51.060 Their houses actually

00:56:51.980 go down in value

00:56:52.940 because they know

00:56:53.620 after a certain number of years,

00:56:55.020 they'll rip it all down

00:56:56.300 and start afresh,

00:56:57.480 which is pros and cons, right?

00:56:58.740 But here you have

00:56:59.380 these charming little things

00:57:00.660 because people are too lazy

00:57:02.260 to bulldoze it down

00:57:03.260 and rebuild it.

00:57:03.960 So that's how you get

00:57:05.040 the period houses.

00:57:07.000 There we go.

00:57:07.540 Well, Nigel, listen,

00:57:08.240 it's great to see you crushing it.

00:57:09.960 Thank you.

00:57:10.580 It's great to see you

00:57:11.280 pissing off all the right people

00:57:12.780 and I don't even know

00:57:13.600 who that is.

00:57:14.520 Everybody's mad.

00:57:15.220 Everybody's mad.

00:57:15.600 Anyone who wants

00:57:16.320 to get pissed off

00:57:16.960 on social media

00:57:17.600 is the right person

00:57:18.340 to piss off at this point. 0.83

00:57:19.480 It's just all crazy.

00:57:20.780 But it's great to see you

00:57:21.820 doing well.

00:57:22.640 I'm sure the special

00:57:23.600 is going to crush.

00:57:25.000 Remind people 1.00

00:57:25.600 where they can go

00:57:26.220 and get that.

00:57:26.940 For the sixth time.

00:57:27.800 For the fifth or sixth time.

00:57:29.620 You can buy it today

00:57:30.980 right now at

00:57:31.860 moment.co

00:57:32.940 slash MrNigelUnc.

00:57:34.560 Link will be in description.

00:57:35.880 This is the show

00:57:36.500 that I've been touring

00:57:37.460 with Uncle Roger

00:57:38.280 for the last year and a half.

00:57:41.000 You'll both see

00:57:41.600 Uncle Roger does

00:57:42.180 like 20 minutes

00:57:42.800 then I do about an hour

00:57:43.820 and it's a good show.

00:57:46.220 I'm very, very proud of it.

00:57:47.780 Please go buy it.

00:57:48.720 All right.

00:57:49.340 And Nigel,

00:57:49.980 we're going to go

00:57:50.640 to questions

00:57:51.860 from our supporters

00:57:52.760 in a second 0.78

00:57:53.620 that only they will get

00:57:54.700 to see the answers to

00:57:55.920 on Locals.

00:57:56.780 But before we do that

00:57:57.560 we always end

00:57:58.160 with the same question

00:57:58.940 which is

00:57:59.300 what's the one thing

00:58:00.020 we're not talking about

00:58:00.940 that we really should be?

00:58:02.700 Oh boy.

00:58:04.160 See, I was dreading

00:58:04.740 this question.

00:58:06.640 It's a free hit, man.

00:58:07.920 Yeah.

00:58:08.480 I want to plug

00:58:08.840 the special again

00:58:09.360 but I feel a bit ashamed now.

00:58:11.460 Except sometimes.

00:58:12.840 No.

00:58:13.720 Jesus.

00:58:14.860 I think

00:58:15.660 I think we should all

00:58:17.980 just go outside more

00:58:19.420 and be near nature

00:58:20.400 and put down the phone

00:58:22.740 and

00:58:23.960 oh god,

00:58:26.000 what am I saying?

00:58:27.660 I was going to say

00:58:28.200 you live in central London,

00:58:29.380 mate.

00:58:29.460 What are you talking about?

00:58:30.680 Yeah,

00:58:30.980 that's why you've got to

00:58:31.860 start driving

00:58:32.340 because it's the only time

00:58:33.260 you don't look at your phone.

00:58:34.380 You know?

00:58:34.520 I think everybody

00:58:35.980 has to

00:58:36.800 just go touch some leaves

00:58:39.840 and stop being mad at me.

00:58:41.780 You know?

00:58:42.140 That's what we're not

00:58:42.800 talking about.

00:58:43.220 That's the one thing

00:58:43.800 we're not talking about.

00:58:44.020 People are going to talk

00:58:44.500 about me more

00:58:45.140 but in a nice way.

00:58:46.660 Leave some nice comments.

00:58:48.220 Do you reckon

00:58:48.520 he's going to plug it again

00:58:49.460 before we wrap up?

00:58:50.180 Yeah, I think so.

00:58:52.320 We've just about

00:58:53.380 to hit the hour mark

00:58:54.320 and he's going to do it

00:58:55.360 one more time.

00:58:56.060 All right.

00:58:56.380 Go and check his special out

00:58:57.680 otherwise

00:58:58.120 he's never going to

00:58:59.320 show up about it.

00:59:00.120 We'll see you on Locals, guys.

00:59:01.340 That I can get behind

00:59:04.680 but it's rare to find 0.99

00:59:05.940 Oh, fucking had enough. 1.00

00:59:10.560 Absolute fucking disgrace. 1.00

TRIGGERnometry - June 04, 2023

Comedian Cancelled by China - 'Uncle Roger'

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