TRIGGERnometry - ＂DeSantis Will LOSE to Trump＂

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00:00:47.320 This is a KGB officer who persecuted Christians for a living and is a thug and a murderer.

00:00:54.220 I still don't understand how anyone who has at least a triple-digit IQ can say the Russian Federation and Putin are the good guys.

00:01:06.180 What do you make of the fact that a lot of people on your side are celebrating a 21-year-old who has stolen secret documents and they're calling this person a whistleblower?

00:01:19.820 Worse than that, they're calling him a hero.

00:01:22.080 So, my fear is that they are whispering sweet nothings in his ears saying, you're the guy, you're the guy.

00:01:30.920 And he's being exploited by the establishment rhino class.

00:01:35.280 Do you think he stands a chance?

00:01:36.680 No.

00:01:36.900 And I'm sorry, Ron DeSantis doesn't have the balls or the maturity to do it.

00:01:43.720 So, for me, the reason I am voting for President Trump and supporting him, I need somebody to come back into the city and burn the corrupt shithole to the ground.

00:01:56.260 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry on the road from the USA.

00:02:12.180 I'm Francis Foster.

00:02:13.460 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:02:14.540 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:02:19.820 Our fantastic and returning guest today is an author, counter-terrorism expert and, of course, former Deputy Assistant to the President of the United States, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.

00:02:28.940 Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:02:30.400 Welcome to the Gorka headquarters.

00:02:32.620 Oh, thank you very much for having us.

00:02:34.140 We've had a couple of great days doing fun stuff, but here we are doing serious stuff.

00:02:38.760 Now, we've been friends for a long time.

00:02:40.840 We know you well.

00:02:41.580 A lot of our audience do not, and one of the things they won't know about you is the background, the backstory, your family's history that informs a lot of your views.

00:02:50.480 So, tell us who are you, Seb, and what has been your journey through life?

00:02:54.360 Well, my journey through life is informed by who my parents were and what they suffered during World War II and after World War II.

00:03:01.540 So, my parents were kids in Hungary, in Budapest, suffered under Nazi occupation at the end of the war.

00:03:10.220 And then after the war ended and communism was imposed, my father was a young college student who wanted to resist the new regime, created a secret student organization of Christian students who were patriots.

00:03:23.960 Eventually, he was betrayed by Kim Philby, one of the greatest traitors of that Cold War period, one of the Cambridge Apostles, was arrested at the age of 20, tortured, and given a life sentence in a communist jail.

00:03:40.420 He served six years, two years in a prison coal mine, two years in solitary, and then was eventually liberated by the Freedom Fighters of 1956.

00:03:48.280 He escaped to the West with a 17-year-old daughter of a fellow prison mate, who ended up as his wife and my mother, and they made it to the UK.

00:03:56.460 I was born and raised in the UK. My first language was Hungarian.

00:04:00.460 And then, when the war fell, speaking Hungarian, having a bit of a background in national security, because I served in the British TA in the Intelligence Corps,

00:04:10.940 I got a job working for the first freely elected Hungarian government in the Defense Ministry.

00:04:14.940 So I packed up, moved from London to Budapest, spent five years in the Hungarian government, met my wife in Europe, an American,

00:04:23.020 started doing some work in counterterrorism for the American government, doing a training course out of Germany after 9-11.

00:04:31.240 And then, one morning in 2008, literally, my wife and I woke up and said,

00:04:36.660 It's time to go. We've done our dues. We've tried to help Hungary get back on track, moved to the US, ended up as a professor of irregular warfare and counterterrorism for the Pentagon,

00:04:46.700 wrote a book called Defeating Jihad on the ideology of groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS, and that propelled me to the White House to work for President Trump.

00:04:54.380 Now, I do a daily radio show called America First, three hours of political commentary, and a weekly TV show for Newsmax called the Gawker Reality Check.

00:05:04.840 So that, in a very, as brief as I can make it, is my trip, and my thing is strategy, politics, conservatism, and understanding the threats to the good guys in the West.

00:05:15.440 Well, we'll talk about all of that, and when we were on Rogan last year, having come from here, actually,

00:05:20.980 I described you as the Trump attack dog, which I think is fair. You have a reputation for that.

00:05:26.100 I think the telegraph called me Trump's pit bull.

00:05:29.800 Right. That's a great way of saying it, too. And we're going to get to President Trump later,

00:05:34.500 but actually, we wanted to start by talking to you about, A, national security and foreign affairs,

00:05:42.080 but, B, also what is happening within the conservative movement and the right around those issues.

00:05:47.980 So what have you made of the way that some people have responded to Putin's invasion of Ukraine on your own team?

00:05:56.520 So before I joined the White House, I was teaching for the Marine Corps,

00:06:01.600 and at the same time, I was moonlighting as national security editor for Breitbart.

00:06:06.200 I didn't need the job. Okay, Bannon saw me speak somewhere, invited me for a chat, said,

00:06:11.520 Will you be my national security QC guy? And I said, Not really interested.

00:06:15.800 And I threw out a stupid number, and he said, Yes. And that's when you go, Oh, crap. Okay.

00:06:20.720 So the reason I was, in principle, interested in doing that, what, 10 years ago,

00:06:27.540 was because of the paucity I saw on the right of serious discussion on national security.

00:06:33.560 Because back then, you had two options.

00:06:35.300 If you are a conservative in America, you could be a crazy neocon saying,

00:06:41.460 Let's invade places and turn them into democracies at the end of a gun barrel, which is lunacy, right?

00:06:46.340 The Wolfowitz's of the world, the Bush administration.

00:06:48.820 Or you could be an isolationist and say, Screw everybody.

00:06:52.580 We don't care.

00:06:53.960 Anything beyond the Pacific and the Atlantic is irrelevant, and they can all go to hell.

00:06:58.560 And I thought, You know, you can be a little bit more nuanced than that.

00:07:02.200 There is a palette of options.

00:07:04.500 And the idea that you can isolate yourself from the rest of the world after 9-11 or in the cyber age

00:07:09.560 is just as stupid as thinking you can turn Afghanistan into Switzerland.

00:07:13.380 So that's why I did it.

00:07:14.780 Today, 10 years later, it is by magnitudes worse on our side.

00:07:20.420 It is, this is perhaps beyond everything the left is doing to this country, in my estimation.

00:07:25.840 Open borders, millions of illegal immigrants, fentanyl poisonings, on and on and on the economy.

00:07:30.460 For me, the thing that galls me the most every single day, and I have people on my Twitter feed, you know, get in touch with the radio show,

00:07:38.380 who call themselves conservatives or Republicans, and who say things like,

00:07:46.760 Vladimir Putin is the savior of Western civilization and a great Christian.

00:07:52.700 And I'm going, you do know, you don't have to be a Cold War child like me, but you do know this is a KGB officer who persecuted Christians for a living and is a thug and a murderer.

00:08:05.980 And people are saying, oh, well, he's justified in invading Ukraine because we provoked him.

00:08:14.180 What?

00:08:15.200 What are you talking about?

00:08:16.440 A nation like Ukraine, which is ranked 22nd in the world in military power,

00:08:20.980 is threatening a nation ranked second that has more than 4,000 nuclear warheads.

00:08:27.560 And you're telling me we provoked it or Ukraine provoked it.

00:08:31.380 So I am horrified.

00:08:34.220 We had this discussion over cigars last night.

00:08:36.620 I still don't understand how anyone who has at least a triple digit IQ can say the Russian Federation and Putin are the good guys.

00:08:47.780 So we have, to answer your question in brief, we have a lot of bloody work to do to educate people on my team about the reality of geopolitics today.

00:08:58.260 And you don't have to be a geek about it like me, just the facts.

00:09:04.100 Well, let's do that then, because the interesting thing is that I think, as you say, not a lot of people are educated on either way.

00:09:11.980 What is the national security interest for this country in supporting Ukraine?

00:09:16.960 So you can answer that at a very prosaic level that is intuitive, and then you can go to the geopolitical level.

00:09:23.940 The prosaic one, look, everybody's gone to school, okay?

00:09:27.460 Or everybody's been a member of a club or the Boy Scouts or the football team or what have you.

00:09:32.400 Everybody knows what a bully is.

00:09:34.720 Everybody's seen a bully operate.

00:09:36.900 Now, when does a bully stop being an asshole?

00:09:40.500 When you break their nose.

00:09:41.540 When you bust them in the nose.

00:09:42.920 If you don't stand up, if somebody doesn't stand up to a bully on the playground or in Eastern Europe, the bully proceeds to continue to bully the vulnerable.

00:09:54.240 The idea that whatever reason or excuse is provided, a nuclear-tipped nation with 11 time zones can break a taboo that has been in place since 1945 in Europe,

00:10:09.580 which means you must not aggrandize your territory through use of force, is dangerous to every decent nation, every decent person.

00:10:18.380 And if you want to go to the wonkish level, do your homework about Vladimir Putin or any aspect.

00:10:24.240 I love the biolabs stuff.

00:10:26.260 Oh, really?

00:10:26.940 The biolabs was the reason?

00:10:28.860 Who's thinking built the biolabs?

00:10:31.600 The Soviet Union built the biolabs.

00:10:35.160 It wasn't Condoleezza Rice and George Bush that built the biolabs.

00:10:40.220 So get a little bit of your factual ducks in order.

00:10:43.640 But specifically, a little bit of homework, who is Vladimir Putin beyond a KGB officer, a siloviki, a member of the nomenklatura's national security enterprise?

00:10:54.020 He's a man who, since becoming president for 21 years, has been giving speeches about the illegitimacy of Ukraine as an independent nation,

00:11:02.660 the illegitimacy of the Baltic states, the illegitimacy of Poland as an independent nation,

00:11:08.560 that all should be subsumed into the Rodina, into Mother Russia.

00:11:12.460 And you think, well, those are the states that border Russia.

00:11:18.580 Those are the states who are fully paid-up members of NATO.

00:11:22.240 So you think this won't have consequences?

00:11:25.640 That a man who has already proven that he will keep his promises to use force, to take territory,

00:11:32.100 wants to take Poland, the Baltic states, he must be sent a message.

00:11:36.220 You are not permitted to do that.

00:11:38.120 And if you just want to be very pedestrian about it, he's a bully who has to be given a bloodied nose.

00:11:43.560 And Seb, what would you say to those people who provide a more nuanced argument and go,

00:11:48.380 look, we have been an antagonistic presence in that area of the world.

00:11:53.920 And Ukraine is a buffer zone or a buffer nation.

00:11:58.260 And it's rapidly becoming more westernized.

00:12:00.900 He sees this as a threat to Russia and he sees himself encroached on practically all sides by pro-western nations.

00:12:09.740 Right.

00:12:10.060 Encroached by what?

00:12:11.660 What is the quality of that?

00:12:13.080 If we're going to use the language of moral equivalency and the terminology of the Kremlin propagandists,

00:12:19.320 what is the encroachment?

00:12:20.560 It's the encroachment of western values of representative government.

00:12:24.680 That's the problem for Putin.

00:12:26.280 The Putin, it isn't, we're an empire invading Ukraine, invading the Baltics, invading the NATO.

00:12:33.460 I worked, my job was to get Hungary into NATO when I worked for the Hungarian defense ministry.

00:12:38.100 We were desperate to get back in.

00:12:39.820 Why?

00:12:40.500 Did we want to be a satrapy, a slave state of a, you know, a western empire?

00:12:45.820 No, we wanted to be part of what?

00:12:48.020 A member of a group of nations that is part of the west, that has representative government, that has free markets.

00:12:57.420 So, again, let's translate into prosaic terms.

00:13:00.500 What is NATO?

00:13:01.220 What is the EU?

00:13:02.520 They're clubs.

00:13:04.520 Nobody's forced to join the EU.

00:13:06.360 Nobody puts a gun to the prime minister's head, you know, of Sweden and says, you must join.

00:13:12.420 No, you have to want to join and you have to hit certain membership requirements.

00:13:18.800 In NATO's case, it's very, very easy.

00:13:21.040 You read the 14 points of the Washington Treaty.

00:13:24.300 It just says, you must have a representative democratic government and you must contribute to the collective defense of the club.

00:13:31.720 Okay, well, if Poland wants to join, if Hungary wants to join, if Ukraine wants to join, why does another nation that's outside of the club get to have a veto?

00:13:43.920 I mean, imagine if you're into movies, right?

00:13:46.780 Like me.

00:13:47.660 You join the BFI, the British Film Institute.

00:13:50.360 I was a member when I lived in England.

00:13:52.120 What if your neighbor said, you know, he's a bookworm and he thinks he's a Luddite and he thinks that movies are evil.

00:13:59.080 Would you be okay with your neighbor saying you have no right to join the BFI voluntarily?

00:14:06.680 You say, are you on drugs?

00:14:09.280 Excuse me?

00:14:10.300 No, I have a right to join any association that I can meet the requirements of.

00:14:15.740 So this whole idea that we're an empire, how did we gobble up these nations?

00:14:21.360 They applied.

00:14:22.020 It was tough for Hungary.

00:14:23.780 We had to bump up our defense spending.

00:14:26.760 We had to say, yeah, these are the things we will contribute within a year to NATO.

00:14:31.860 We will have a training center.

00:14:33.620 These are things that are voluntary.

00:14:37.260 But another nation that's outside gets to stop you.

00:14:40.400 That's just nuts.

00:14:41.680 So the obvious, you know, I agree with you on a lot of stuff, obviously.

00:14:44.860 But the obvious counter argument to this is if Mexico wanted to join the Warsaw Pact, would America just let that happen?

00:14:50.840 Well, that's a Cold War context, right?

00:14:55.840 So America would do its damnedest to stop that.

00:15:02.540 But there would be no moral or other justification for us to invade Mexico to stop that.

00:15:10.160 We would cease to be America if we said Mexico has decided, if there's a referendum, if it's not some kind of dictatorship, if Mexico decided, the idea that, what, we're going to invade you to stop you doing something you voluntarily want to do?

00:15:26.120 We might use force if what happened in Afghanistan happened in Mexico.

00:15:32.380 What happened in Afghanistan at Christmas of 79?

00:15:35.040 The Spetsnaz were deployed, went in and assassinated the prime minister.

00:15:38.700 And then the tanks rolled in and said, oh, Afghanistan is now part of the, you know, the broader association of—

00:15:43.940 The fraternal peoples of Afghanistan.

00:15:45.240 Oh, yeah, of friendly nations, right?

00:15:46.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:46.980 So, you know, it's, again, what is missing with these arguments is the moral content.

00:15:52.340 It's the obvious fallacy of the Chomskyite-Michael Moore moral equivalency that, you know, the West is just another version of the East, or NATO is just another version of the Warsaw Pact.

00:16:06.860 No, it's not.

00:16:08.300 When you joined the Warsaw Pact, you were told to join the Warsaw Pact.

00:16:13.520 I'll give you one interesting example.

00:16:15.220 What was one of the biggest problems with NATO?

00:16:17.180 It's a wonky phrase called interoperability.

00:16:19.260 We're all free nations, and everybody had their own vested interests and proclivities.

00:16:24.240 I'm a gun guy.

00:16:25.420 We had, at the height of NATO, a dozen different kinds of assault rifle for troops, right?

00:16:31.180 Brits had the FN.

00:16:32.620 America had the M16.

00:16:35.920 The Belgians had, you know, FNC.

00:16:39.320 Why?

00:16:39.760 Because we chose them.

00:16:40.880 And the Warsaw Pact— How many types of gun did you have?

00:16:44.960 One.

00:16:45.660 Good old AK.

00:16:46.760 Good old AK.

00:16:47.640 And then, how many types of uniform?

00:16:51.080 Think about this.

00:16:52.520 Across NATO, everybody had— It was a nightmare.

00:16:55.700 We had DPM camo in England.

00:16:59.120 The French had their kind of uniforms.

00:17:02.020 Across the whole of the Warsaw Pact, you had the massive hats, the big epaulettes.

00:17:07.500 Why?

00:17:07.720 Because you didn't choose how to defend yourself.

00:17:11.440 You were told by the Frunza Academy.

00:17:13.600 You were told by the general staff in Moscow.

00:17:15.980 You will have the T-72.

00:17:17.820 You will have these uniforms, and you will have an AK.

00:17:20.160 There's no moral equivalence.

00:17:21.660 There's no qualitative equivalence to East and West, despite what Chomsky and others would have you believe.

00:17:27.100 And, Seb, what do you say to those people who go, look, we're funneling billions to Ukraine.

00:17:32.280 Yeah, right.

00:17:32.860 You look at what's happening in our inner cities.

00:17:34.800 Yeah.

00:17:35.020 Look what's happening with, you know, the fentanyl crisis.

00:17:38.320 Look what's happening with the unemployment.

00:17:40.060 Look at the debt.

00:17:40.960 How can we possibly justify this?

00:17:42.860 Yeah, this is like the Tucker Carlson wing of the party here.

00:17:47.420 And it's intuitive.

00:17:50.100 It's a seductive argument.

00:17:51.880 I mean, think about just, I did the figures for my TV show recently.

00:17:54.740 If you add up all the combat deaths suffered by the United States since the end of World War II,

00:17:59.760 so that's Korea, that's Vietnam, that's post-9-11 Afghanistan, that's Gulf 1 and Gulf 2.

00:18:05.320 If you add all of the warfighters killed in combat for over 70 years, it's 103,000 combat deaths.

00:18:15.220 Last year, according to Biden's CDC, the Center for Disease Control in America,

00:18:19.300 according to this regime's CDC, 110,000 Americans were killed by overdoses, mostly from fentanyl.

00:18:29.000 So you go, what?

00:18:30.600 What? More people, more civilians died in 12 months in America because of open borders

00:18:36.400 than died in 70 years of combat in Southeast Asia, in Afghanistan.

00:18:41.600 So it's kind of like, whoa.

00:18:44.040 But that's not how politics works.

00:18:46.560 These aren't mute.

00:18:47.620 You can't, as we say in America, you've got to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

00:18:52.840 Just because we have a border crisis doesn't mean that Ukraine is irrelevant

00:18:57.160 and doesn't mean that if we don't do something about it now, it won't get worse.

00:19:01.900 What are we going to do if he invades the Baltic states?

00:19:05.200 I mean, we have an Article 5.

00:19:06.840 Britain, the US, has an Article 5 commitment to the Baltic states, to Hungary, to Poland.

00:19:12.060 If they are invaded by another nation, they are obliged.

00:19:15.880 We are obliged to respond, which during the Cold War meant what?

00:19:19.440 Nuclear war.

00:19:20.260 Are we prepared to do that?

00:19:23.320 Or should we do something about it now to make sure it doesn't get to that point?

00:19:26.720 From the beginning of this conflict, 14 months ago, I wrote a piece,

00:19:30.820 I think it was for Breitbart or my substack, where I said,

00:19:33.960 we must stop this, but not by boots on the ground.

00:19:36.840 I don't want the 82nd Airborne to be deployed to Kiev.

00:19:40.480 And it's Kiev, by the way, guys.

00:19:42.100 I've said from the beginning, we must help them help themselves.

00:19:51.560 And the argument I used to kind of take the legs from under conservatives

00:19:56.460 who say, screw Ukraine, is, oh, okay.

00:20:00.260 Is 1776 important to you?

00:20:03.140 The Revolutionary War that created America?

00:20:06.180 Oh, it is.

00:20:07.200 You believe that America should have split from King George and...

00:20:11.160 What would have happened if Spain, France, and Holland

00:20:17.140 hadn't supported Washington, George Washington?

00:20:22.020 Where we are sitting now would be part of the British Commonwealth.

00:20:25.640 Damn those French.

00:20:27.240 No, seriously.

00:20:28.460 So just to translate it,

00:20:31.140 I don't want to fight for Ukrainians because we're not an empire.

00:20:34.340 But to help them fight for themselves is what we should be doing.

00:20:38.660 But to your first point,

00:20:41.120 shoveling plane loads of cash to an immensely corrupt regime.

00:20:46.380 Look, I think...

00:20:48.040 It's Eastern Europe.

00:20:48.760 Of course it's corrupt.

00:20:49.940 It's dumb.

00:20:51.100 So at the beginning, I wrote an article.

00:20:52.640 Three things we need to do.

00:20:53.880 Number one, we need to supply them with the means they need to protect themselves.

00:20:58.720 Mostly ammunition.

00:20:59.980 They need artillery pieces.

00:21:01.240 Number two, equipment which they can actually use.

00:21:05.740 This asinine thing that we're sending them.

00:21:08.560 Abraham's tanks.

00:21:09.560 Abraham tanks have more than a dozen different types of fluid to run them.

00:21:14.480 A T-72 has oil and diesel, right?

00:21:17.980 Ukrainians don't know how to use,

00:21:19.560 haven't had the training for F-16s or whatever else.

00:21:21.880 We have stockpiles of Warsaw Pact era stuff

00:21:25.320 in Hungary, in Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia.

00:21:28.080 Give them equipment they can use.

00:21:30.440 Number two.

00:21:31.160 And the third one is provide...

00:21:33.320 We are peerless.

00:21:34.400 America's ISR,

00:21:35.660 so our intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance capabilities,

00:21:38.160 our satellites,

00:21:39.220 nobody comes close to us.

00:21:40.540 Give them the real-time target data packs

00:21:43.660 so they can make the Russians bleed in Ukraine.

00:21:46.500 That's what we do.

00:21:47.140 But not pallets of cash,

00:21:48.300 not billions of dollars in the space of one year.

00:21:51.300 That's my nuanced approach

00:21:54.100 between the isolationists and the sender 82nd Airborne.

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00:23:13.200 Now, Seb, at the risk of giving you an aneurysm,

00:23:19.500 what do you make of the fact

00:23:21.380 that a lot of people on your side

00:23:22.980 are celebrating a 21-year-old

00:23:25.380 who has stolen secret documents

00:23:29.760 and published them

00:23:32.020 that is detrimental to the United States

00:23:34.820 and the Ukraine's interests

00:23:36.160 and they're calling this person a whistleblower?

00:23:38.660 Worse than that, they're calling him a hero.

00:23:42.180 So, I saw this the day you guys arrived in the U.S.

00:23:46.500 and I tweeted it out

00:23:47.440 and I said, do I tweet this

00:23:48.380 because of the flack I'm going to get from my side?

00:23:50.180 I said, yeah, sod it.

00:23:50.800 I'm going to tweet it.

00:23:51.740 I said, are you seriously...

00:23:55.220 I said, we have quote-unquote

00:23:56.960 conservatives who are calling

00:24:00.140 this Massachusetts National Guard airman

00:24:05.220 not only a whistleblower, a hero?

00:24:09.320 Well, A, you should look up

00:24:10.640 the definition of a whistleblower

00:24:11.780 because he didn't give the documents

00:24:14.200 to Matt Gaetz,

00:24:15.640 one of the most anti-establishment conservatives

00:24:17.680 on Capitol Hill.

00:24:18.900 He didn't give them to Breitbart News

00:24:22.100 to publish

00:24:23.380 or he didn't give them

00:24:25.020 to a committee of Congress

00:24:26.900 to investigate.

00:24:27.980 Whistleblower is actually a legal term in America.

00:24:29.500 It comes from the Whistleblower Act.

00:24:30.740 You have to actually go through

00:24:31.880 a form of procedure

00:24:32.660 with the opposition to get it out, right?

00:24:35.620 What did he do?

00:24:36.360 Who did he show it to?

00:24:38.160 26 guys on his Discord gamer chat room.

00:24:43.920 He was flexing

00:24:45.600 to his buddies

00:24:47.120 to look cool.

00:24:49.100 It wasn't about

00:24:49.860 helping responsible government in America.

00:24:53.280 He was trying to show off.

00:24:54.700 He was a punk.

00:24:56.300 And people say,

00:24:57.040 well, but it's good that the truth is out,

00:24:58.880 but the motive doesn't matter.

00:25:00.260 Sorry.

00:25:00.820 The difference between self-defense and murder,

00:25:03.100 motives matter, okay?

00:25:05.740 We have problems

00:25:06.820 with how this war is being managed.

00:25:09.420 This administration has no idea

00:25:11.020 what they're doing

00:25:11.640 when it comes to geopolitics.

00:25:13.100 To quote Obama,

00:25:16.300 this is not apocryphal,

00:25:17.260 you can look it up,

00:25:18.400 to quote Joe Biden's former boss,

00:25:20.480 never underestimate

00:25:21.560 Joe's capacity

00:25:24.320 to F things up.

00:25:25.980 And he has demonstrated that

00:25:27.900 for the last two years.

00:25:29.700 So, yeah.

00:25:31.420 This guy's not a hero.

00:25:32.640 He's not a whistleblower.

00:25:33.960 He's less problematic

00:25:35.140 than, I'm going to piss people off,

00:25:37.000 Snowden was,

00:25:38.480 or Assange.

00:25:39.920 But none of these people are heroes.

00:25:41.680 None of them.

00:25:42.660 And it's not because I'm defending

00:25:43.740 the deep state

00:25:45.400 or the establishment.

00:25:46.300 Don't get me wrong.

00:25:46.940 I have a reputation

00:25:48.700 for hating the establishment.

00:25:51.820 But this guy didn't do it

00:25:53.620 to help anybody.

00:25:55.060 He did it to make himself

00:25:56.420 look cool with his buddies.

00:25:58.260 And we now know

00:25:59.100 that there were foreign nationals

00:26:00.580 on that Discord,

00:26:01.840 including IP addresses from Russia.

00:26:04.680 That's a problem.

00:26:05.480 But, Seb,

00:26:07.780 I'm not part of any side.

00:26:09.800 I know.

00:26:10.100 You guys don't like tribes.

00:26:11.120 Yeah.

00:26:11.320 I've heard that many times.

00:26:12.380 Yeah.

00:26:12.720 But, you know,

00:26:14.720 in the 90s and the noughties,

00:26:18.360 you know,

00:26:18.600 you had the left,

00:26:19.720 you know,

00:26:20.080 and I associated with them.

00:26:22.280 And they had these funky ideas.

00:26:24.040 And you were just like,

00:26:24.820 well, they're progressives.

00:26:26.120 You know,

00:26:26.740 they are what they are.

00:26:27.600 They're going to have

00:26:28.040 these funky ideas.

00:26:29.480 The right,

00:26:30.220 I mean,

00:26:30.480 they were always kind of boring.

00:26:32.200 They always had their own way

00:26:33.600 of looking at the world

00:26:34.520 and, you know,

00:26:34.960 conservative.

00:26:35.640 And all the rest of it.

00:26:37.380 But your lot have gone mental.

00:26:39.860 A lot of them have.

00:26:40.280 Well, the left hasn't gone mental.

00:26:41.700 Yeah, the left have gone mental.

00:26:42.980 But your boys have gone tonto as well.

00:26:44.660 What's going on?

00:26:45.680 Why is this happening?

00:26:47.020 Tell me who first.

00:26:49.600 Because there's a lot of choices.

00:26:51.400 When it comes to tontos

00:26:52.580 on both sides,

00:26:53.800 there's a lot of choices.

00:26:54.780 What do you find the most nutty?

00:26:57.620 So,

00:26:58.140 I have no problem with people saying,

00:27:00.980 who are isolationists,

00:27:02.060 and go,

00:27:02.420 America first.

00:27:03.200 I get that.

00:27:03.720 I understand.

00:27:04.200 I may disagree with it,

00:27:05.200 but there is a logic behind their argument.

00:27:07.400 But just things,

00:27:08.520 but the depths of conspiracy

00:27:11.140 that they see in Ukraine

00:27:13.600 and saying things like,

00:27:15.100 oh, you know,

00:27:15.720 this is an example,

00:27:16.860 you know,

00:27:17.420 crisis actors,

00:27:19.480 you know,

00:27:19.900 Zelensky's wearing combat trousers,

00:27:21.920 therefore it's not a real,

00:27:23.160 whatever they're saying.

00:27:25.460 And these are people on the right,

00:27:27.640 and they've become more and more anti-establishment.

00:27:32.020 But not just,

00:27:32.760 you can be anti-establishment,

00:27:34.340 but with arguments that patently don't make sense.

00:27:37.380 Well,

00:27:37.780 we should have started filming yesterday,

00:27:39.240 because I think we were discussing this

00:27:40.380 until the wee hours.

00:27:41.260 I've actually developed a new TV show

00:27:44.380 that deals exclusively with this problem of conspiracies.

00:27:48.200 It's called Conspiracy Chronicles.

00:27:51.660 I will,

00:27:52.480 I'm not pushing back,

00:27:53.440 but my response would be,

00:27:54.700 this is not a conservative phenomena.

00:27:57.000 This is a Western civilization phenomena.

00:27:59.480 Well,

00:27:59.640 I agree with that.

00:28:00.300 Whether you believe

00:28:02.040 a 14-year-old girl

00:28:04.460 can become a man,

00:28:05.980 or whether you think,

00:28:08.200 as some people on our side would state,

00:28:10.840 President Trump is still secretly the president,

00:28:13.420 and there are 5,000 unsealed indictments

00:28:16.040 he's about to deploy to arrest the deep state.

00:28:18.440 They're all insane.

00:28:19.720 So you have QAnon,

00:28:20.640 and you have Blue Anon.

00:28:21.420 Blue Anon,

00:28:21.720 yeah, right.

00:28:22.300 You have both.

00:28:22.620 So,

00:28:23.460 why do we have that?

00:28:28.360 Many reasons.

00:28:29.540 I would put the two biggest ones

00:28:31.440 is the failure of the education system.

00:28:37.040 The primary problem here is critical thought.

00:28:40.840 There's click-batery,

00:28:43.040 and there's online tribes

00:28:44.840 that you cannot get out of once you're in,

00:28:48.560 because the individuals in them

00:28:50.020 do not have the barest tool set

00:28:53.020 provided to them by the schools they went to

00:28:56.060 to have critical thought.

00:28:57.260 Let's stay with the biolabs thing,

00:28:59.100 right?

00:28:59.920 Putin had to invade

00:29:00.920 because they're about to launch

00:29:02.040 a biological attack on Russia

00:29:04.300 from Ukrainian labs.

00:29:06.280 Okay,

00:29:06.680 so if I have a modicum of critical thought,

00:29:09.920 I'll punch into a search engine

00:29:13.260 Ukrainian biolabs,

00:29:15.140 and I want to find what?

00:29:16.960 The source of them.

00:29:17.940 Where did they originate from?

00:29:19.260 And when I found out what?

00:29:21.400 They are part of Biopreparat,

00:29:23.200 the biggest illegal chemical

00:29:25.020 and biological weapons empire,

00:29:26.740 which was created by the Soviet Union

00:29:28.620 before the ink was dry

00:29:30.020 on the treaty with Nixon

00:29:31.500 banning all chemical and biological weapons.

00:29:33.000 Before the treaty was dry,

00:29:34.980 they were building

00:29:35.780 the biggest illicit WMD complex

00:29:38.560 in the world

00:29:39.440 with labs that were making anthrax,

00:29:41.920 making botulinum,

00:29:43.320 making chemical weapons.

00:29:45.040 And they put them where?

00:29:46.340 In the satellite republics,

00:29:47.800 including Ukraine.

00:29:48.900 When it all fell apart,

00:29:50.660 Christmas Day 1991,

00:29:53.600 which is a great Christmas present,

00:29:55.020 there's legacy capacities.

00:29:57.960 What did the West do?

00:29:59.380 Ooh,

00:29:59.640 the Soviets have been cheating

00:30:01.900 for 20 years.

00:30:03.760 You know what?

00:30:04.960 To protect us from

00:30:06.140 maybe some of this stuff

00:30:07.460 getting into the wrong hands,

00:30:08.780 like, oh, terrorists,

00:30:10.320 we should find out

00:30:11.880 what the Sovs were doing

00:30:13.400 in these labs.

00:30:14.740 So let's get them a bit of money

00:30:16.100 and say,

00:30:16.760 oh, you need a new microscope?

00:30:18.200 You need a new printer?

00:30:19.420 We'll pay for that

00:30:20.280 if you let us come and have a look

00:30:21.860 what you were developing illegally

00:30:23.980 for Moscow.

00:30:26.280 Now, that might take you, what,

00:30:27.420 30 minutes?

00:30:28.020 But to say,

00:30:30.360 a nation with nuclear weapons

00:30:32.820 is afraid of legacy capabilities

00:30:36.460 they built in those states

00:30:39.160 when they were captive nations,

00:30:41.660 it's just stupidity.

00:30:43.940 It's rank ignorance.

00:30:45.620 The second part,

00:30:46.540 which is the exact,

00:30:47.420 no, you actually added

00:30:48.680 a third one yesterday.

00:30:50.340 The second part is,

00:30:52.020 what has the general public learned

00:30:54.720 in the last,

00:30:56.420 let's go from Gulf War,

00:30:58.020 one in the last 32 years

00:31:00.020 about government

00:31:00.800 in the UK,

00:31:02.160 in the US,

00:31:03.180 everywhere in the West?

00:31:03.900 What do they learn?

00:31:06.100 They lie more than we even

00:31:07.660 imagine they lie.

00:31:09.420 From dodgy dossiers

00:31:10.640 to Russian collusion

00:31:12.380 of President Trump,

00:31:14.480 the vast majority

00:31:15.880 of the conventional wisdom

00:31:18.040 is being shown

00:31:20.320 to be fallacious

00:31:21.440 and deliberately so.

00:31:22.940 So there has developed

00:31:24.660 not a skepticism

00:31:26.260 to the establishment's narrative,

00:31:28.380 but a cynicism.

00:31:30.120 If the BBC says it,

00:31:32.040 if the White House says it,

00:31:33.520 if 10 Downing Street says it,

00:31:35.120 the first thing

00:31:35.860 my reaction should be

00:31:37.000 is it's a lie.

00:31:38.360 It's the opposite of the truth.

00:31:40.160 Number two.

00:31:40.820 Third thing,

00:31:41.380 and you pointed this out,

00:31:42.920 social media.

00:31:43.720 social media.

00:31:45.720 I mean,

00:31:46.080 not only do you have access

00:31:48.260 to the things

00:31:49.880 you would never know

00:31:50.820 30 years ago

00:31:51.740 because somebody

00:31:52.620 held up an iPhone

00:31:53.440 while, you know,

00:31:55.120 Jay-Z was, you know,

00:31:56.500 doing something

00:31:57.100 she shouldn't have been doing,

00:31:58.440 right?

00:31:58.880 Or he was doing.

00:32:01.180 You also have what?

00:32:03.260 The dopamine,

00:32:04.700 outrage,

00:32:05.980 clickbaitery

00:32:06.720 that incentivizes what

00:32:09.000 in media today?

00:32:10.640 Speed,

00:32:11.200 not truth.

00:32:12.360 I need to be the first person

00:32:13.880 with that story.

00:32:15.320 Whether it's real or not,

00:32:17.320 it doesn't matter.

00:32:18.020 I need to be the first person

00:32:19.220 so I get the clicks,

00:32:20.680 so my advertiser's happy.

00:32:22.280 Those three things together

00:32:23.460 are the key reasons

00:32:26.060 for why today

00:32:26.900 conspiracy theories

00:32:28.140 are out of control.

00:32:30.140 On left and right.

00:32:31.140 Yeah.

00:32:32.060 But I'm going to sort out

00:32:33.540 the right

00:32:33.880 so you guys can sort out

00:32:34.680 the left.

00:32:35.260 I don't think

00:32:36.200 they're going to let us.

00:32:38.240 We're not as popular

00:32:39.780 on the left

00:32:40.300 as we once were,

00:32:41.200 Seb,

00:32:41.400 as you probably established.

00:32:43.800 But also people

00:32:45.160 like Tucker as well.

00:32:46.200 Yeah.

00:32:47.360 So Tucker,

00:32:48.220 you have to know

00:32:49.040 a little bit

00:32:49.360 about American history.

00:32:50.860 Tucker is a revivification

00:32:52.420 of the America First

00:32:54.080 of yore,

00:32:55.260 of 80 years ago.

00:32:56.760 Or if you want

00:32:57.400 to be a little bit

00:32:58.060 less problematic

00:32:59.800 because that movement

00:33:01.320 had racist overtones,

00:33:03.580 the Buchananite.

00:33:04.320 He's a hardcore

00:33:05.500 neo-Buchananite.

00:33:06.600 Pat Buchanan

00:33:07.220 was such an isolationist.

00:33:08.880 He lives not far

00:33:09.940 from here.

00:33:10.440 Famous conservative

00:33:11.300 politician around

00:33:11.980 for president.

00:33:12.740 He actually has

00:33:13.420 written books

00:33:14.100 saying America

00:33:16.060 should never have

00:33:16.620 got involved

00:33:17.040 in World War II.

00:33:18.820 That,

00:33:19.280 that branch

00:33:20.360 of conservatism

00:33:21.400 is being

00:33:23.060 resuscitated today

00:33:24.700 by, you know,

00:33:25.760 the people

00:33:26.100 who like Tucker.

00:33:27.180 What I find odd

00:33:27.880 about that is

00:33:28.480 I think, you know,

00:33:29.380 100 years ago

00:33:30.060 that that made

00:33:31.000 a lot more sense.

00:33:31.820 But in the world

00:33:32.360 that you live in now...

00:33:33.360 Today's world

00:33:34.280 of dreadliners

00:33:35.280 and internet,

00:33:36.260 it's ridiculous.

00:33:37.140 Yeah.

00:33:38.440 And Seb,

00:33:39.140 one of the things

00:33:39.820 that I found

00:33:40.680 interesting

00:33:41.820 is your former boss

00:33:43.340 who we're going

00:33:43.680 to get onto

00:33:44.140 in a second.

00:33:45.880 He argued

00:33:46.840 that the war

00:33:48.160 in Ukraine

00:33:48.460 would never have

00:33:49.020 happened

00:33:49.360 if he was still

00:33:50.380 in office.

00:33:50.920 And I agree

00:33:51.620 with that.

00:33:52.320 As you know,

00:33:53.000 I was not a massive

00:33:53.800 fan of his,

00:33:54.320 but I agree

00:33:54.780 with that part.

00:33:55.180 I'm glad you put

00:33:55.800 that in the past tense

00:33:56.700 because you want that.

00:33:57.960 Yeah, I'm all

00:33:59.460 MAGA now.

00:34:00.200 MAGA.

00:34:00.380 We got it.

00:34:01.080 We got it.

00:34:01.360 Absolutely.

00:34:01.620 But what troubled me

00:34:06.760 about what he said

00:34:07.940 at the same time

00:34:08.820 was essentially

00:34:09.860 the read I got

00:34:11.260 from what he said

00:34:12.020 is I would have

00:34:13.040 forced Ukraine

00:34:13.760 to give things away

00:34:15.160 in order to have peace.

00:34:17.900 And to me,

00:34:18.440 that's a Peaseman 2.0.

00:34:20.340 Yeah, I haven't read that.

00:34:22.880 I haven't seen that.

00:34:23.960 But it's one of the

00:34:24.800 most amusing things

00:34:25.700 I often, you know,

00:34:26.600 everybody wants to know

00:34:27.340 about me.

00:34:27.740 Wherever I go,

00:34:28.460 whatever I want to talk about

00:34:29.460 sooner or later,

00:34:30.160 what's he really like?

00:34:31.160 And they want to know

00:34:31.640 about him.

00:34:32.420 And when I get asked,

00:34:33.520 what would President Trump

00:34:34.520 do now about Ukraine?

00:34:35.580 I just laugh.

00:34:36.240 I chortle

00:34:36.800 because it never

00:34:38.380 would have happened.

00:34:39.460 I mean,

00:34:39.660 let me give you

00:34:40.300 one example

00:34:40.880 that nobody talks about.

00:34:42.960 When we were

00:34:43.640 in the White House,

00:34:45.040 we found out

00:34:46.080 that there were

00:34:46.620 300 Wagner Group guys

00:34:48.180 in Syria.

00:34:49.000 Now, these aren't

00:34:49.680 independent contractors.

00:34:50.800 These work for the Kremlin,

00:34:52.060 right?

00:34:52.300 They work,

00:34:53.020 you know,

00:34:53.300 they're the deniable

00:34:53.980 little green men

00:34:54.720 for the Kremlin.

00:34:56.220 And President Trump

00:34:57.260 found out

00:34:57.720 that they were

00:34:58.060 destabilizing Syria.

00:34:59.380 What did he do?

00:35:00.160 He did something

00:35:00.780 not even Ronald Reagan

00:35:01.700 or any president

00:35:02.560 since they stormed

00:35:03.600 the Winter Palace

00:35:04.180 in 1917 did.

00:35:05.760 He told the Secretary of Defense,

00:35:07.260 kill them all now.

00:35:09.120 Within 48 hours,

00:35:10.620 300 Wagner Group mercenaries

00:35:12.140 were pink mist.

00:35:14.400 Vladimir Putin

00:35:15.320 didn't even hold

00:35:17.600 a press conference.

00:35:19.140 He so shat himself.

00:35:22.500 That's what the bad guys

00:35:24.740 think of my former boss.

00:35:26.300 Whether it's

00:35:26.620 little Kim

00:35:27.140 in North Korea,

00:35:27.900 whether it's

00:35:28.960 the Mueller's,

00:35:29.840 whether it's ISIS,

00:35:31.000 or whether it's

00:35:31.680 Putin,

00:35:32.840 they fear this man,

00:35:34.240 which is good,

00:35:35.280 which is good,

00:35:36.000 because he loves America

00:35:37.120 and he's not

00:35:38.020 a dictator

00:35:38.920 as the left

00:35:39.380 would have you believe.

00:35:40.100 He loves this country.

00:35:41.700 I'm not sure about

00:35:42.900 he would have

00:35:43.860 told them

00:35:44.720 to give stuff away

00:35:46.540 and even if he said that,

00:35:48.640 I would say

00:35:49.240 it never would have happened

00:35:50.120 so it's abovo irrelevant.

00:35:52.440 You never,

00:35:52.980 look at the last

00:35:54.040 16 years of politics.

00:35:56.480 When was Georgia

00:35:57.460 and South Ossetia invaded?

00:35:59.280 Under Obama.

00:36:00.380 Under George W. Bush.

00:36:02.340 When was Crimea taken?

00:36:03.700 Under Obama.

00:36:04.600 Then there's a cesura

00:36:05.880 and there's for four years,

00:36:08.600 Putin doesn't do anything.

00:36:10.700 What were those four years?

00:36:12.660 Oh, when we were

00:36:13.800 in the White House.

00:36:14.880 That's weird.

00:36:15.920 So the guy that we are told

00:36:16.960 is the Russian puppet

00:36:18.620 of Putin,

00:36:20.160 under his tenure,

00:36:22.400 Putin didn't invade anybody.

00:36:24.680 We leave the White House.

00:36:27.140 Biden surrenders

00:36:28.100 in Afghanistan

00:36:28.760 and I know

00:36:30.020 what happened

00:36:30.480 in the Kremlin.

00:36:31.460 The second,

00:36:32.260 13 of our war fighters

00:36:34.120 were murdered

00:36:34.640 by ISIS in Bagram

00:36:35.840 and that last jet

00:36:37.280 takes off

00:36:37.780 with literally people

00:36:38.920 hanging on the wheel well.

00:36:41.740 Thousands of people

00:36:42.660 dying,

00:36:43.340 clinging to our aircraft.

00:36:44.920 Vlad said,

00:36:45.720 all right, boys,

00:36:46.720 get the tanks ready.

00:36:47.820 We're rolling.

00:36:49.020 So it never would have happened

00:36:50.300 under President Trump

00:36:51.320 and that's why

00:36:53.380 we need him back

00:36:53.980 in the White House.

00:36:55.100 And how do you solve this now?

00:36:57.220 Final question on Ukraine.

00:36:58.600 How does this get resolved?

00:36:59.780 As soon as this man

00:37:05.620 is re-elected,

00:37:07.520 if conservatives

00:37:08.300 can achieve that,

00:37:10.240 the conflict

00:37:11.460 will stop immediately

00:37:12.760 in terms of active engagement

00:37:14.380 and President Trump

00:37:15.860 will engage

00:37:16.560 and behind closed doors

00:37:19.800 he will do

00:37:20.240 what he does the most.

00:37:21.640 He will be

00:37:22.400 very undiplomatic

00:37:24.180 and he will make it

00:37:25.880 very clear

00:37:26.300 that this cannot continue.

00:37:28.580 The question is

00:37:29.720 how does Kiev

00:37:30.620 respond to that?

00:37:31.920 You are far better versed

00:37:33.180 in that.

00:37:33.560 You've been there,

00:37:34.100 you have family there.

00:37:35.360 I don't know

00:37:36.180 what is

00:37:37.260 conscionable

00:37:38.000 for Kiev right now

00:37:39.080 and what isn't.

00:37:40.000 Are they prepared

00:37:40.620 to write off

00:37:41.380 Donbass and Crimea

00:37:42.480 or not?

00:37:43.480 I can't predict that.

00:37:44.740 But President Trump

00:37:45.540 will,

00:37:46.240 he will deploy

00:37:47.360 the art of the deal

00:37:48.220 in very undiplomatic terms

00:37:49.700 behind closed doors

00:37:50.680 and tell Vladimir Putin

00:37:52.620 that it must stop

00:37:53.380 otherwise there will be,

00:37:55.000 all he does,

00:37:55.620 he doesn't go into detail

00:37:56.560 so there will be

00:37:57.320 very serious ramifications

00:37:58.960 for you as a nation

00:37:59.920 and Putin will acquiesce.

00:38:03.540 Will Kiev acquiesce

00:38:05.240 and under what terms

00:38:06.260 of who controls

00:38:07.420 which territory

00:38:08.060 that cannot be predicted.

00:38:10.980 You said

00:38:11.780 if this man is re-elected.

00:38:13.980 Yes.

00:38:14.280 So let's talk about that.

00:38:15.300 Yeah.

00:38:17.720 He's way ahead

00:38:18.640 of DeSantis in the polls.

00:38:20.360 However,

00:38:21.580 this is something

00:38:22.200 that when we got

00:38:23.160 a little tour

00:38:23.740 of the Capitol

00:38:24.240 the other day

00:38:24.700 someone said to us

00:38:25.480 DeSantis is further ahead

00:38:27.440 than Reagan and Nixon

00:38:28.360 before they announced.

00:38:30.780 So,

00:38:31.840 how good,

00:38:35.140 I mean,

00:38:35.480 right now it's looking good

00:38:36.400 for President Trump.

00:38:37.220 Yes, very good.

00:38:38.140 However,

00:38:38.600 he's just been indicted

00:38:39.460 on 34 charges.

00:38:40.760 Yep.

00:38:42.160 Does that help him?

00:38:43.160 Does that hinder him?

00:38:44.060 Well,

00:38:44.480 it has so far.

00:38:45.420 It's given him a bump.

00:38:46.600 He's now the highest

00:38:47.580 he's been in a long time

00:38:48.980 since January the 6th.

00:38:50.840 Joe Biden has sunk

00:38:52.100 to the second lowest

00:38:53.420 he's ever been,

00:38:54.060 42% popularity

00:38:55.260 since he became president.

00:38:57.200 And also,

00:38:58.140 I don't know

00:38:59.200 when this is going to air,

00:39:00.080 but in the week

00:39:01.360 of the indictment,

00:39:02.600 since the indictment,

00:39:03.520 President Trump

00:39:04.020 raised $12 million

00:39:04.740 as a result of the indictment.

00:39:06.320 So whether it's polling,

00:39:07.560 whether it's money,

00:39:08.440 this has given him

00:39:09.180 a boost,

00:39:10.500 the likes of which

00:39:11.480 you don't get

00:39:12.200 with a TV ad campaign

00:39:13.700 or 100 rallies.

00:39:15.620 So,

00:39:16.360 he's doing well.

00:39:17.980 Whether he wins or not

00:39:19.300 is a function

00:39:19.900 of one thing predominantly.

00:39:23.080 Let's remember,

00:39:23.800 this is the man

00:39:24.300 who received in 2020

00:39:25.700 more votes

00:39:26.720 than any incumbent

00:39:27.700 president in history.

00:39:28.660 74 million Americans

00:39:29.780 voted for President Trump.

00:39:31.180 This is a really

00:39:32.540 piquant fact.

00:39:35.300 He's the only president

00:39:36.220 in history

00:39:36.840 to ever get more votes

00:39:39.540 in his second election

00:39:41.820 and not to win,

00:39:43.440 which is really weird,

00:39:44.700 isn't it?

00:39:45.120 Not only that,

00:39:46.460 he's a man

00:39:47.280 who was vilified

00:39:48.260 for four years nonstop

00:39:49.440 by the establishment,

00:39:50.940 called a racist,

00:39:52.160 a misogynist,

00:39:52.860 an Islamophobe,

00:39:53.940 a white supremacist,

00:39:55.460 and eventually a Nazi.

00:39:57.620 Despite that coming

00:39:58.800 out of the tap 24-7,

00:40:00.920 he received

00:40:01.500 10 million more votes

00:40:03.360 in the second election

00:40:04.600 in 20

00:40:05.440 than he did in 16,

00:40:06.720 which is quite remarkable,

00:40:07.820 and more votes

00:40:08.640 from the black

00:40:09.560 minority community

00:40:11.520 than any Republican

00:40:12.360 since the 60s.

00:40:13.320 So the basic foundation,

00:40:16.700 the core of his success,

00:40:19.160 demonstrably,

00:40:19.900 mathematically,

00:40:20.520 is there.

00:40:21.120 The biggest problem

00:40:21.860 is how we run

00:40:22.640 elections in America.

00:40:24.180 When I came here,

00:40:25.280 elections were held

00:40:25.940 on election day.

00:40:27.180 I was sometimes traveling,

00:40:28.660 and I could request

00:40:29.380 an absentee ballot.

00:40:30.400 In the state of Virginia,

00:40:31.700 the Commonwealth of Virginia

00:40:32.560 where I live,

00:40:33.240 I would have to prove

00:40:34.340 why I cannot vote

00:40:35.260 on election day.

00:40:35.900 I would have to have,

00:40:36.980 you know,

00:40:37.580 a note from my boss.

00:40:39.180 I would have to,

00:40:39.680 you know,

00:40:39.880 I'm sick from a doctor,

00:40:41.600 or my boss

00:40:42.260 needs to be out of the country.

00:40:44.460 I would have to prove.

00:40:45.860 Before the last presidential election,

00:40:49.520 the Democrats managed

00:40:51.120 to engineer

00:40:51.740 that 81 million mail-in ballots

00:40:55.340 were sent out

00:40:56.220 to people unrequested.

00:40:58.400 Not I'm sick

00:40:59.400 or whatever,

00:41:00.620 just en bloc sent out

00:41:02.580 that would be sitting

00:41:03.260 on the stoops of houses

00:41:04.400 in apartment blocks

00:41:05.160 in piles,

00:41:06.280 ballots.

00:41:07.460 And that is

00:41:09.160 a recipe for disaster.

00:41:11.600 that the temptation

00:41:12.960 to distort that,

00:41:15.080 and President Trump warned us.

00:41:16.900 And on top of that,

00:41:18.540 we are meant to believe

00:41:19.700 that an aged individual

00:41:21.400 who is a career politician

00:41:24.860 for 47 years,

00:41:26.240 who clearly has

00:41:28.340 some cognitive issues,

00:41:29.960 received more votes

00:41:31.260 than the first young,

00:41:33.300 charismatic,

00:41:34.180 black president.

00:41:35.220 something is problematic here.

00:41:37.580 Something doesn't make sense.

00:41:39.680 But the question of

00:41:41.280 will they be able

00:41:43.480 to keep in place

00:41:44.460 in Democrat-controlled states

00:41:46.160 the COVID justification

00:41:48.320 for mailing ballots

00:41:49.860 and for...

00:41:50.540 Where I live in Virginia,

00:41:51.780 which is asinine,

00:41:52.940 we now have a 45-day

00:41:54.900 voting period.

00:41:56.360 It's not election day.

00:41:57.680 It's a month and a half

00:41:58.760 of voting.

00:42:00.260 I mean, look,

00:42:00.920 the part I'd agree with you on

00:42:02.460 is the fact that

00:42:04.060 you don't get a result

00:42:05.040 on the same day

00:42:05.760 doesn't make any sense to me.

00:42:07.600 The fact that, you know,

00:42:08.840 voter ID

00:42:09.740 is a controversial issue

00:42:11.100 makes no sense to me at all.

00:42:12.300 Well, it does make sense

00:42:13.640 if you want to steal elections.

00:42:15.120 Okay.

00:42:15.920 On the other hand, though,

00:42:17.580 the fact that

00:42:18.560 a president like Joe Biden,

00:42:21.160 who I don't think commands

00:42:22.560 the love of the people,

00:42:23.800 let's put it mildly,

00:42:24.680 would get so many votes

00:42:26.660 can be quite readily explained

00:42:28.180 by the fact that

00:42:28.860 your former boss

00:42:29.540 is very off-putting

00:42:30.360 to many people.

00:42:31.220 Now, you may dislike that fact,

00:42:33.460 but he is.

00:42:33.880 But that's countered

00:42:34.520 by the fact that

00:42:35.140 he received more votes

00:42:35.980 than any incumbent president

00:42:36.880 in history.

00:42:37.380 Oh, he did.

00:42:38.280 And at the same time,

00:42:39.400 you could argue

00:42:39.920 that he provoked

00:42:40.880 a lot of people

00:42:41.900 to vote for the opposition, too.

00:42:43.440 You could, yeah.

00:42:43.840 So, but what...

00:42:46.660 Then, if he didn't win last time

00:42:49.200 and the Democrats

00:42:50.260 have been in charge

00:42:51.020 for four years

00:42:51.660 by the time

00:42:52.180 the next election happened,

00:42:53.120 let's say,

00:42:53.420 we'll talk about DeSantis separately,

00:42:54.740 but let's say

00:42:55.500 he's the nominee.

00:42:56.860 Right.

00:42:58.080 What's the route to success?

00:42:59.640 Well, the route to success

00:43:00.500 is what the president

00:43:01.660 has said

00:43:02.140 in his recent

00:43:02.860 Truth Social video posting,

00:43:04.820 which a lot of conservatives

00:43:06.000 have problems with

00:43:07.560 for obvious reasons.

00:43:08.760 But we have to

00:43:10.580 out-organize the Democrats.

00:43:13.820 The Democrats

00:43:14.300 have an amazing ground game.

00:43:16.300 They have machinery

00:43:17.100 to collect mail-in ballots.

00:43:18.720 So, we could talk

00:43:21.000 about this for hours.

00:43:21.780 Before the last election,

00:43:22.620 and this is illegal

00:43:23.860 by state statute,

00:43:25.740 a private entity,

00:43:27.340 Mark Zuckerberg's foundation,

00:43:30.200 dropped,

00:43:30.960 that we know of,

00:43:31.940 officially,

00:43:32.740 $450 million

00:43:33.740 to help run elections locally.

00:43:36.880 Now, what did that mean?

00:43:38.180 It meant a private entity,

00:43:39.140 which is not permitted,

00:43:40.140 state governments

00:43:40.920 must run elections,

00:43:42.440 was training people

00:43:43.700 to,

00:43:45.120 it's called harvesting ballots,

00:43:46.780 go to places

00:43:48.040 where mail-in ballots

00:43:49.180 have been mailed to

00:43:50.160 and collect them

00:43:51.640 and collect them

00:43:53.000 and bring them

00:43:54.020 to the polling stations.

00:43:55.320 Not only that,

00:43:56.660 they created a system

00:43:58.100 of ballot collection

00:44:00.120 drop boxes

00:44:00.920 where if you didn't,

00:44:03.620 couldn't be asked

00:44:04.140 to mail your vote in

00:44:05.780 or go to the polling station,

00:44:07.460 within five minutes

00:44:09.340 of your home

00:44:09.960 at a library

00:44:10.780 or whatever,

00:44:11.380 there'd be a big box

00:44:12.180 and you could drop it in

00:44:12.820 for weeks and weeks and weeks.

00:44:13.740 But the problem was

00:44:16.340 they were all

00:44:17.860 in predominantly

00:44:18.900 Democrat districts.

00:44:20.280 So you made voting easier

00:44:22.040 in Democrat strongholds.

00:44:23.920 And then you have

00:44:24.620 Dinesh D'Souza's movie,

00:44:25.980 2000 Mules,

00:44:27.000 where we have obtained

00:44:28.460 the public footage

00:44:29.320 of the CCTV cameras

00:44:30.420 of people dropping

00:44:31.700 literally bundles

00:44:33.420 of ballots

00:44:34.780 at 2 or 3 a.m.

00:44:37.480 One guy who's tracked

00:44:39.120 through his cell phone

00:44:40.120 going to 16 different

00:44:41.960 drop boxes

00:44:42.700 in one evening.

00:44:46.060 Sorry, who's that?

00:44:47.440 Does he have 300 relatives

00:44:49.120 who are sick?

00:44:51.160 These are happening

00:44:52.080 in states like Georgia

00:44:53.260 where you are,

00:44:54.920 it is a crime

00:44:56.000 to deposit somebody else's vote

00:44:58.620 unless they are a member

00:44:59.780 of your family.

00:45:01.320 So what the president said is,

00:45:03.640 we've just got to be

00:45:05.440 as organized as they are

00:45:06.660 in those states

00:45:08.160 where these things

00:45:08.980 are still permitted.

00:45:09.620 Because we're a republic

00:45:10.520 of states,

00:45:11.400 there are differences

00:45:12.020 between how elections

00:45:12.840 are run state by state.

00:45:14.040 What has happened

00:45:14.860 since 2020

00:45:16.540 in many states

00:45:17.520 where the republicans

00:45:18.860 are in control

00:45:19.420 of the state legislature,

00:45:20.820 they've banned

00:45:21.500 a lot of this stuff.

00:45:22.160 They said, no,

00:45:22.900 we're going to have

00:45:23.380 a voting day.

00:45:24.320 If you're sick,

00:45:25.340 you've got to have

00:45:25.740 a doctor's note.

00:45:26.580 If you're traveling,

00:45:27.320 the boss has got to certify it.

00:45:28.780 So we've got to clean it up

00:45:29.960 to get back to where we were

00:45:31.480 so it's fair,

00:45:32.160 it's transparent.

00:45:33.220 And where we can't clean it up,

00:45:34.800 we've got to out-organize

00:45:36.500 the other side.

00:45:37.100 That's what President Trump

00:45:38.000 has said,

00:45:38.380 and I'm worried

00:45:39.640 because the RNC,

00:45:42.400 which is the

00:45:42.700 Republican National Congress,

00:45:43.860 which is the

00:45:44.340 establishment party

00:45:47.060 of the Republicans,

00:45:48.960 they're just oxygen thieves.

00:45:51.660 I mean,

00:45:51.880 they just couldn't organize

00:45:52.840 a piss-up in a brewery.

00:45:54.540 And they're not

00:45:55.220 getting stuff done.

00:45:56.100 This is getting solved

00:45:56.940 at a local level,

00:45:58.540 which is good,

00:45:59.420 but it's not enough.

00:46:00.140 So we've got a year and a half

00:46:01.680 to fix it.

00:46:02.340 Will we?

00:46:02.780 I have no idea.

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00:47:05.560 What would you say, Seb?

00:47:06.780 And look,

00:47:07.140 I have a lot of sympathy

00:47:07.980 for this argument

00:47:08.640 and I agree with it.

00:47:13.080 Policy-wise,

00:47:14.680 there was a lot

00:47:15.200 that I agreed with,

00:47:15.960 with Trump.

00:47:17.160 There was.

00:47:17.840 There was.

00:47:18.860 You can,

00:47:19.360 it's all right.

00:47:19.740 Look,

00:47:19.980 I know you're on camera,

00:47:20.860 but it's okay.

00:47:21.500 Right now,

00:47:22.060 you can tell everybody

00:47:22.680 you're a conservative.

00:47:24.720 Maggie is your heroine.

00:47:26.040 I'm good.

00:47:27.080 I'm good with it.

00:47:28.040 Come out.

00:47:28.760 Come out now.

00:47:29.560 There's a lot of people

00:47:30.620 right now.

00:47:30.700 Trigger everyone.

00:47:31.620 Right now.

00:47:32.360 Listen,

00:47:33.160 it's an archaic,

00:47:34.220 it's an archaic reference,

00:47:35.460 but as a movie buff,

00:47:36.200 you'd like that.

00:47:37.000 I think at the moment,

00:47:37.960 people think I'm the

00:47:38.740 Rock Hudson

00:47:39.200 of the conservative parties.

00:47:41.920 I've been in the closet

00:47:42.920 that long.

00:47:43.720 They're waiting for it.

00:47:44.840 Oh my gosh.

00:47:45.720 Yeah.

00:47:46.080 Obviously,

00:47:46.560 I don't want to be outed

00:47:47.340 quite like Rock Hudson.

00:47:48.540 That was brutal.

00:47:48.900 No,

00:47:48.920 that was a little bit

00:47:49.680 uncomfortable.

00:47:50.540 Yeah.

00:47:50.840 But anyway.

00:47:51.680 Would a more modern reference

00:47:52.780 be the Philip Schofield?

00:47:53.820 Yeah.

00:47:54.400 Yeah.

00:47:54.600 Yeah.

00:47:55.020 Yeah.

00:47:55.420 Apart from...

00:47:56.180 You're going to be crying

00:47:56.980 on TV before long,

00:47:57.980 mate.

00:47:58.020 Exactly.

00:47:58.700 All right.

00:47:58.880 What's the argument?

00:47:59.820 The argument is

00:48:00.880 a lot of the policies,

00:48:02.860 particularly geopolitics,

00:48:04.060 particularly international,

00:48:05.440 there's a lot of people

00:48:06.560 be like,

00:48:07.020 I don't like him,

00:48:07.800 but I kind of agree

00:48:08.620 with what he's doing.

00:48:09.480 Right.

00:48:10.220 But the divisiveness,

00:48:12.040 the language,

00:48:13.280 the tweets,

00:48:14.060 is that really what we need

00:48:15.400 in a country

00:48:15.960 that is more than ever divided?

00:48:17.440 Yeah,

00:48:19.860 I hear this all the time.

00:48:21.480 The first reaction is

00:48:23.260 I have a friend

00:48:24.360 who runs an amazing website

00:48:25.380 called American Greatness,

00:48:27.480 Chris Baskirk.

00:48:28.160 He's a regular on my show.

00:48:30.060 And he said

00:48:31.220 the indictment

00:48:32.320 has changed the minds

00:48:33.480 of everyone he knows

00:48:35.700 who had that opinion,

00:48:36.960 who said,

00:48:37.980 ah, Trump,

00:48:38.820 but...

00:48:39.600 Once he was indicted

00:48:41.160 by Alvin Bragg

00:48:42.000 on this made up,

00:48:43.080 you know,

00:48:44.000 business record misstatement

00:48:46.860 that was,

00:48:48.160 you know,

00:48:48.780 trumped up into a,

00:48:50.260 talked up into a felony,

00:48:51.940 they said,

00:48:52.600 screw it.

00:48:53.540 They're persecuting this guy

00:48:54.800 and they've come back

00:48:55.540 into the fold.

00:48:56.060 And these aren't average people.

00:48:57.060 Chris is talking about

00:48:58.020 big donors

00:48:58.660 who were conservative

00:49:00.560 but had issues

00:49:01.280 with the staffing.

00:49:02.220 My argument is the following,

00:49:03.640 and it's not pragmat...

00:49:05.900 It's not pragmatic,

00:49:06.940 it's principle-based.

00:49:08.600 Let me just slightly modify

00:49:10.280 what you just said.

00:49:11.440 There is no policy.

00:49:13.360 If you're a conservative,

00:49:14.680 there is no policy.

00:49:15.760 If you love this country,

00:49:16.700 forget concerns.

00:49:17.520 There's no policy

00:49:18.220 you can disagree with

00:49:19.160 when it comes to President Trump

00:49:20.560 in the last four years

00:49:21.340 in macro terms.

00:49:23.240 Biggest,

00:49:23.940 strongest economy

00:49:24.760 we have ever had.

00:49:27.160 A relatively closed border,

00:49:29.020 clamped down

00:49:29.480 on illegal immigration,

00:49:31.100 revitalization of NATO,

00:49:33.340 not just our military.

00:49:34.460 We finally got the freeloaders

00:49:35.940 to pay their share

00:49:37.180 after 40 years

00:49:38.600 of not paying their share.

00:49:40.540 Then we had

00:49:41.460 the crushing of ISIS.

00:49:47.520 Obama had told us

00:49:48.940 ISIS is a, quote,

00:49:50.520 generational problem

00:49:51.720 we just have to get used to.

00:49:53.540 We came in

00:49:54.520 and we took the lawyers

00:49:55.720 out of the way

00:49:56.280 of the Green Berets

00:49:57.100 and the SOCOM,

00:49:58.600 and they...

00:49:59.420 Five months later,

00:50:00.740 the caliphate was gone.

00:50:02.540 So whether it's

00:50:03.200 national security,

00:50:04.240 foreign affairs,

00:50:05.360 immigration,

00:50:06.280 the economy...

00:50:07.400 Oh, and how about this one?

00:50:08.620 First time in history.

00:50:10.340 We were selling

00:50:11.420 other people energy.

00:50:13.120 We were self-sufficient

00:50:14.780 for the lifeblood

00:50:15.940 of an economy,

00:50:16.680 and we were exporting it

00:50:18.020 so we could thumb our noses

00:50:20.000 at OPEC and Russia

00:50:21.560 and everybody else.

00:50:22.480 So when it comes to

00:50:23.420 everything you could pick,

00:50:25.220 whatever your issue is,

00:50:26.320 you're,

00:50:27.140 yeah, that's good.

00:50:28.400 And then you're going to

00:50:29.520 bitch and moan to me

00:50:30.340 about mean tweets?

00:50:33.360 Well, slap yourself

00:50:34.840 in the face.

00:50:35.900 Really?

00:50:37.180 So for you,

00:50:38.660 decorum or style

00:50:40.680 on social media

00:50:42.020 is more important

00:50:43.480 than a strong economy,

00:50:45.280 a safe nation,

00:50:46.340 a close border,

00:50:47.660 ISIS crushed.

00:50:49.120 Well, then you're a moron.

00:50:50.640 Then you're not an adult.

00:50:51.640 You're a child.

00:50:52.980 Now, don't get me wrong.

00:50:54.380 You know, this is,

00:50:54.880 you know, me in the White House

00:50:56.120 in the Oval Office.

00:50:57.460 When I worked with this man,

00:50:59.140 I went to, you know,

00:51:00.800 public school in England.

00:51:02.680 I went in the debate club,

00:51:04.500 stiff upper lip

00:51:05.940 and all that stuff.

00:51:08.240 His style took

00:51:09.500 some getting used to.

00:51:11.560 The language he used

00:51:13.240 in the Oval Office

00:51:15.200 with me

00:51:16.000 made me blush a few times.

00:51:18.640 So what?

00:51:22.120 Really?

00:51:23.860 That's your metric

00:51:24.860 for who you want

00:51:25.700 to lead the country?

00:51:27.320 And I just say,

00:51:28.740 slap yourself in the face

00:51:29.700 and grow up.

00:51:30.360 But Sam,

00:51:30.740 there are a lot of people.

00:51:31.840 There are a lot of people

00:51:32.660 for whom that is the metric.

00:51:34.200 I know,

00:51:34.520 but hang on,

00:51:34.860 let me finish here.

00:51:36.100 The problem with my argument,

00:51:37.560 and this is where

00:51:38.240 I'm going to advocate

00:51:39.340 against myself,

00:51:40.000 is that my buddy

00:51:42.100 Andrew Clavin says,

00:51:43.780 yeah,

00:51:45.120 but you've got to win elections.

00:51:47.080 Well,

00:51:47.420 that's my point.

00:51:47.960 Right?

00:51:51.660 I don't have a reasonable answer to that

00:51:53.360 because you're not going to change

00:51:54.660 a 76-year-old man's way of behaving.

00:51:56.840 You're not going to rein him in.

00:51:58.380 You're just not going to rein him in.

00:52:00.280 I have a very personal argument

00:52:02.600 for why I support him

00:52:03.980 and why I will vote for him.

00:52:06.000 And it's this.

00:52:09.120 The situation in this city,

00:52:11.480 in federal government,

00:52:13.860 inside the most powerful

00:52:15.160 judicial and intelligence enterprise

00:52:18.900 the planet has ever seen,

00:52:20.420 meaning the FBI,

00:52:21.200 the CIA,

00:52:21.780 the NSA,

00:52:22.260 the DOJ,

00:52:23.340 is frightening to me.

00:52:26.600 And I do not

00:52:27.460 become fearful easily.

00:52:30.860 My life changed inexorably

00:52:32.840 when I was on holiday

00:52:34.120 on the beach

00:52:35.380 as an eight-year-old kid.

00:52:38.140 I was playing on the sand

00:52:39.620 with my action man.

00:52:41.280 And my dad,

00:52:41.900 who was a bear of a man,

00:52:43.540 I mean,

00:52:43.780 he was on the national rowing team

00:52:44.960 two years down that prison coal mine,

00:52:47.620 loved physical exercise,

00:52:49.000 loved swimming,

00:52:49.960 and he comes out of the ocean

00:52:51.380 and he walks up to me,

00:52:53.300 towers over me,

00:52:54.800 and I look up at him

00:52:56.200 and I see something

00:52:57.000 for the first time ever

00:52:57.860 that I hadn't noticed before

00:52:59.420 on his wrist.

00:53:00.080 I saw these white lines

00:53:01.720 and he was far too young

00:53:03.480 to have like wrinkles

00:53:04.880 on his wrists.

00:53:05.840 So like an idiot,

00:53:06.960 I said,

00:53:07.520 hey dad,

00:53:08.020 what's that?

00:53:09.200 He said to me in Hungarian,

00:53:11.040 that's where the secret police

00:53:12.500 bound my wrists together

00:53:13.660 with wire behind my back

00:53:15.080 so they could hang me

00:53:16.140 from the ceiling

00:53:16.660 of the torture chamber.

00:53:19.460 Your life,

00:53:20.580 that is when you arrive

00:53:21.700 at a fork in a road

00:53:22.640 and your life diverges.

00:53:25.420 Because at that point,

00:53:26.320 for me,

00:53:27.760 evil

00:53:28.200 wasn't,

00:53:30.240 you know,

00:53:30.980 Saruman

00:53:31.400 from Lord of the Rings.

00:53:33.380 It wasn't Wile Ekaidu

00:53:34.540 from the cartoon.

00:53:35.720 From that moment onwards,

00:53:36.740 I understood evil exists,

00:53:37.980 it's real,

00:53:38.500 you know,

00:53:39.520 lurks in the heart of men

00:53:40.480 and we must do everything

00:53:42.140 we can to stop it.

00:53:43.660 I couldn't have expressed that,

00:53:45.180 but my father started

00:53:46.260 to tell me his story

00:53:46.960 over the years.

00:53:48.320 So,

00:53:49.040 when I came here

00:53:50.240 14 years ago

00:53:51.360 and I'd have conservatives

00:53:52.760 who were born in America

00:53:53.640 saying,

00:53:54.120 oh,

00:53:54.340 the commies are here,

00:53:55.960 socialism has arrived,

00:53:57.040 I would openly laugh at them.

00:54:00.240 Really?

00:54:01.200 Communism in America?

00:54:02.280 Let me tell you about,

00:54:03.440 let me tell you about

00:54:03.960 the scars on my dad's body.

00:54:06.060 We'll talk about communism.

00:54:08.460 I don't laugh at them.

00:54:10.440 I don't ridicule them anymore.

00:54:11.700 When a pro-life preacher

00:54:14.940 outside of Philadelphia

00:54:17.180 who protected his 12-year-old son

00:54:20.940 from a loony

00:54:22.240 at an abortion clinic

00:54:23.520 who was effing and blighting

00:54:24.660 in his face

00:54:25.440 and shoved him away

00:54:26.520 from his child

00:54:27.260 is charged

00:54:28.880 with a misdemeanor assault,

00:54:31.140 has that dismissed completely

00:54:33.880 at a local court.

00:54:35.120 No, you're protecting your child.

00:54:36.680 Four months later,

00:54:38.220 federal agents

00:54:39.100 from this city

00:54:39.900 deploy with M4 carbines

00:54:44.280 in ceramic-plated hard vests

00:54:46.660 at his home

00:54:48.140 and arrest him

00:54:49.240 in front of his wife

00:54:50.040 and seven children

00:54:51.080 on that dismissed misdemeanor,

00:54:55.080 which he finally won in court,

00:54:56.660 thank good Lord.

00:54:58.200 We have political use of police.

00:55:01.900 When a misdemeanor,

00:55:04.200 business misstatement,

00:55:06.760 misdemeanor charge

00:55:08.680 from eight years ago,

00:55:11.220 which expired

00:55:12.060 due to the statute of limitations

00:55:13.560 six years ago,

00:55:15.020 is now magically,

00:55:16.320 alchemically

00:55:16.960 turned into 34 felonies

00:55:19.180 by a Manhattan district attorney

00:55:21.360 who received a million dollars

00:55:23.140 from George Soros' funding

00:55:25.280 via a cut-through NGO

00:55:27.060 after he said

00:55:28.860 on his campaign for election,

00:55:30.560 my number one priority

00:55:32.060 is to put President Trump in prison.

00:55:33.940 I don't laugh at my fellow conservatives.

00:55:36.820 We have police state tactics.

00:55:39.240 Not far from where we are sitting,

00:55:40.860 there is a jail in D.C.,

00:55:42.980 in the heart of D.C.,

00:55:44.160 where there are people still in prison

00:55:45.980 from the January 6 riots,

00:55:48.800 didn't kill anybody,

00:55:50.480 didn't do anything

00:55:51.600 that goes beyond a slap on the wrist

00:55:54.120 and a fine,

00:55:54.940 who have yet to be arraigned

00:55:57.060 before a judge.

00:55:58.180 The U.S. Constitution,

00:55:59.820 which is based on British principles,

00:56:01.320 is clear.

00:56:02.280 Every human being

00:56:03.460 has a right to swift justice.

00:56:06.360 You must be charged

00:56:08.020 within a matter of days

00:56:09.800 to be told what your crime is.

00:56:12.960 They've been in prison for two years,

00:56:15.140 some in solitary,

00:56:16.520 without being charged.

00:56:18.620 That is not a mess up.

00:56:20.760 It is a conscious decision

00:56:22.860 to politically use

00:56:24.880 the tools of the state.

00:56:26.680 So for me,

00:56:28.200 the reason I am voting

00:56:29.920 for President Trump

00:56:30.680 and supporting him,

00:56:31.620 I need somebody

00:56:32.500 to come back into the city

00:56:33.620 and burn the corrupt

00:56:36.700 shithole to the ground.

00:56:40.360 And there's only one man in America

00:56:42.200 who cannot be re-elected

00:56:45.500 if he becomes president.

00:56:47.380 There's only one man in America

00:56:48.760 who's been president once

00:56:50.280 and is running again.

00:56:52.260 In the Constitution,

00:56:53.060 you can only have two terms.

00:56:54.520 They can be separated,

00:56:55.340 but two terms.

00:56:56.240 Every other candidate,

00:56:57.320 from Ron DeSantis to Nikki Haley,

00:57:00.580 would want to be re-elected

00:57:01.720 after their first term,

00:57:02.540 which means they're going to behave,

00:57:04.340 not do anything radical.

00:57:05.920 I want radical.

00:57:07.260 In the name of democracy,

00:57:09.940 republicanism,

00:57:11.660 equality before the law,

00:57:13.000 I want radical changes.

00:57:15.080 I want departments of this city

00:57:17.020 to be moved out.

00:57:17.880 D.C. has become,

00:57:19.180 93% of D.C. voted for Hillary Clinton

00:57:21.600 and Biden.

00:57:23.000 That's like Saddam Hussein's

00:57:24.460 electoral popularity.

00:57:26.000 If you are charged

00:57:27.020 with a crime in this city

00:57:27.920 and you are known

00:57:28.380 to be a conservative like me,

00:57:29.720 you're toast.

00:57:30.600 You are done.

00:57:31.280 The jury pool is going to

00:57:32.920 just send you away

00:57:34.260 for as long as they can.

00:57:36.300 That's not right.

00:57:37.260 I want the CIA to be reformed.

00:57:39.920 I want the FBI to be abolished.

00:57:41.440 I want the Department of Education,

00:57:43.240 Department of Agriculture,

00:57:44.160 the State Department,

00:57:44.840 to be moved to Montana,

00:57:46.340 to South Dakota,

00:57:47.440 where patriotic Americans live

00:57:49.460 and where the permanent

00:57:51.120 state bureaucrats

00:57:52.260 who think they know better

00:57:53.420 than the people

00:57:54.380 will not want to live and work.

00:57:57.200 Whether it's Brexit,

00:57:58.380 whether it's Modi,

00:57:59.260 whether it's Orban,

00:58:01.680 who I'm not a fan of,

00:58:02.380 but we can talk about that separately,

00:58:03.820 whether it's Maloney in Italy,

00:58:06.260 there is an international philomena

00:58:07.880 that must be understood.

00:58:09.840 It is the reassertion

00:58:11.120 of the will of the people

00:58:12.560 and the elite must destroy that.

00:58:15.900 That's why Brexit was tried,

00:58:18.220 how many times they tried

00:58:19.040 to null Brexit?

00:58:20.660 Why?

00:58:21.040 How dare you choose that,

00:58:22.980 British people?

00:58:24.020 That's the problem.

00:58:25.300 And it has come to a crescendo point

00:58:27.340 where I only see one person

00:58:29.280 who has a chance,

00:58:31.380 and I don't even know

00:58:31.940 if he can do it,

00:58:32.800 but who has a chance

00:58:34.360 to somewhat bring the will

00:58:38.360 of the people back into politics.

00:58:40.880 But Seb, there are the people as well

00:58:42.640 who will say that Trump's behaviour

00:58:44.880 after he lost the election

00:58:46.420 wasn't acceptable.

00:58:48.420 His rhetoric was inflammatory,

00:58:50.320 it was divisive,

00:58:52.080 and he put American democracy in danger.

00:58:56.020 Yeah, I would say

00:58:57.480 81 million mailed out ballots

00:59:00.480 and sending the FBI

00:59:01.660 to arrest pro-life preachers,

00:59:04.460 that's the real threat to democracy.

00:59:06.320 I would say having a Speaker of the House,

00:59:08.200 Nancy Pelosi,

00:59:08.800 who we've got rid of,

00:59:09.800 for four years,

00:59:11.280 four years,

00:59:12.460 openly refused to call

00:59:14.140 the man elected

00:59:15.380 by 64 million Americans president.

00:59:17.780 She called him

00:59:18.260 the current incumbent

00:59:19.780 of the White House.

00:59:22.060 That's the threat to democracy.

00:59:23.040 The Speaker of the House

00:59:24.160 refuses to recognise

00:59:25.260 the writ of the people.

00:59:27.200 The left has become

00:59:28.460 the threat to democracy.

00:59:29.740 Why?

00:59:30.540 Because everything they say about us,

00:59:32.480 they're actually practising.

00:59:34.180 Right now,

00:59:35.020 not far from where we're sitting,

00:59:36.920 are the homes in Virginia

00:59:38.120 of the Associate Supreme Court Justices.

00:59:40.200 These are the most powerful

00:59:42.640 legal minds in the world,

00:59:44.520 Democrat and Republican.

00:59:46.380 The Republicans live in Virginia.

00:59:48.240 Their houses have been picketed

00:59:49.760 since the decision

00:59:51.420 on Roe v. Wade

00:59:52.520 in abortion was leaked.

00:59:54.280 It is a crime,

00:59:56.320 a federal crime in America,

00:59:58.580 to picket a judge's home

01:00:01.100 because you're exerting

01:00:02.600 political pressure

01:00:03.380 on somebody

01:00:04.240 who's meant to be apolitical.

01:00:06.100 The Department of Justice

01:00:07.560 under Biden

01:00:08.180 refuses to do anything about it.

01:00:09.840 Nothing.

01:00:11.040 One airman leaks,

01:00:13.120 you know,

01:00:13.480 top-secret documents

01:00:14.400 because he's flexing.

01:00:15.700 And you see the footage?

01:00:17.440 An FBI SWAT team

01:00:19.580 in full battle rattle

01:00:20.920 in an APC

01:00:22.360 arrested a 21-year-old kid

01:00:25.240 in full battle rattle.

01:00:28.700 But the Supreme Court Justice's homes.

01:00:31.520 We had one justice

01:00:32.520 who was almost killed

01:00:34.060 by a pro-abortion activist

01:00:35.620 who travelled from California

01:00:36.640 to Virginia

01:00:37.200 with a gun,

01:00:37.840 with a Glock,

01:00:38.580 with a knife,

01:00:39.180 with zip ties

01:00:39.780 to kill him and his family.

01:00:41.400 This isn't a theory.

01:00:42.440 This is a real threat.

01:00:43.340 So for me,

01:00:44.280 the left is by far

01:00:45.660 the biggest problem.

01:00:46.520 No, but France's point

01:00:47.400 is something else,

01:00:48.180 which is that,

01:00:49.520 look,

01:00:50.860 whatever you,

01:00:51.720 I didn't think

01:00:52.340 what happened on January the 6th

01:00:54.040 was a good thing.

01:00:54.660 I also didn't think

01:00:55.220 it was an insurrection.

01:00:56.560 Right.

01:00:56.660 But if you were designing

01:00:57.760 an election from scratch,

01:00:58.900 that's not how you'd want it

01:00:59.980 to end up.

01:01:00.620 Yes, I agree.

01:01:01.120 And so the outcome of that

01:01:04.560 is that, you know,

01:01:05.500 when we had Faraj on the show,

01:01:06.680 he said there are no votes

01:01:07.840 to be won on January the 6th.

01:01:09.760 Yeah, no, absolutely.

01:01:11.080 I thought,

01:01:11.900 I mean,

01:01:12.220 I was broadcasting live

01:01:13.360 when January 6th happened

01:01:14.160 and I had a former US attorney

01:01:16.260 on air

01:01:17.620 who was responsible

01:01:19.060 for securing the capital

01:01:20.240 when he was the US attorney.

01:01:21.960 And we were watching it

01:01:22.740 in real time

01:01:23.220 and I admitted to myself

01:01:25.220 and I said it on air

01:01:26.060 two weeks later,

01:01:28.140 President Trump's

01:01:28.920 political future is,

01:01:31.260 it's on a thread.

01:01:33.340 He, he, he,

01:01:34.220 the best thing he could do

01:01:35.080 is disappear for a year

01:01:35.920 and not say anything,

01:01:37.080 which of course he didn't.

01:01:38.180 Right.

01:01:40.960 But, but my response

01:01:41.960 is the following.

01:01:43.640 Even if your opinions

01:01:44.620 are justified,

01:01:46.420 kind of irrelevant

01:01:47.120 because you know what I like?

01:01:48.940 I like the will of the people.

01:01:51.620 Let the will of the people decide.

01:01:53.820 We have, you know,

01:01:54.640 I have been explicit.

01:01:55.720 I worked for President Trump.

01:01:57.140 I support President Trump.

01:01:58.500 But you know what?

01:01:59.040 I want a primary.

01:01:59.980 I don't want Ron DeSantis

01:02:01.620 anointed because he's

01:02:03.120 not so mean on Twitter.

01:02:04.640 I don't want

01:02:05.360 President Trump anointed.

01:02:07.200 You don't?

01:02:08.220 No.

01:02:08.500 Because I hear a lot of people

01:02:09.520 saying, oh, DeSantis

01:02:10.300 should stand down.

01:02:11.680 You know, he needs to get

01:02:12.560 behind the president.

01:02:13.520 You don't want that.

01:02:14.080 I would like,

01:02:14.940 if he had the balls to do it,

01:02:16.460 which apparently

01:02:17.120 he doesn't seem to right now,

01:02:18.520 I want him on that stage.

01:02:19.720 Look, let's be,

01:02:20.260 let's be serious.

01:02:22.260 2015, I'm a political junkie.

01:02:24.340 But 2015 was epic.

01:02:26.040 Epic.

01:02:27.620 I mean, can we just

01:02:28.580 thank the good Lord

01:02:29.800 for one thing Donald Trump did,

01:02:31.560 apart from call out

01:02:32.320 the lying fake news media?

01:02:34.080 He made politics fun again.

01:02:36.300 Yeah.

01:02:36.600 How fun was politics?

01:02:37.900 I would like to see

01:02:38.720 not 17 people on the stage.

01:02:40.220 Let's have, you know,

01:02:41.060 27 people.

01:02:42.320 And the toughest guy or gal,

01:02:44.220 you know, duking it out

01:02:45.420 is the last person standing.

01:02:46.940 And I've said from the beginning,

01:02:48.880 you know,

01:02:49.260 I'm an immigrant to America,

01:02:50.660 but I've heard of this thing

01:02:51.680 called primaries.

01:02:52.780 Let's have them.

01:02:53.940 Anybody who wants to run,

01:02:54.940 Vivek, I love Vivek Ramaswamy.

01:02:56.880 Super smart guy.

01:02:58.000 I'd love to see Vivek.

01:02:59.060 I told him on my show,

01:03:00.140 I would like you to be

01:03:01.480 the Jared Kushner

01:03:02.880 of the next Trump administration.

01:03:04.360 I want you to be the,

01:03:05.200 you know,

01:03:05.420 the business innovation,

01:03:06.760 forward thinking,

01:03:07.560 cabinet member.

01:03:08.580 I don't think he's got

01:03:09.160 a shot at presidency,

01:03:10.720 but you're a smart guy.

01:03:11.800 Come on in, join the club.

01:03:12.980 But I'd love to see him

01:03:13.820 on a debate stage,

01:03:15.080 you know,

01:03:15.840 test my boss,

01:03:17.320 come up with some,

01:03:18.220 you know,

01:03:18.780 creative combinations of ideas.

01:03:22.500 But no,

01:03:23.380 I,

01:03:24.040 to your point,

01:03:24.820 yeah,

01:03:24.980 whatever happened on January 6th

01:03:26.140 and however the president

01:03:26.920 responded afterwards,

01:03:27.800 which was suboptimal,

01:03:29.080 let's put it diplomatically,

01:03:31.800 okay,

01:03:32.680 he's declared.

01:03:34.460 So,

01:03:35.480 let the people decide.

01:03:36.680 Oh, sure.

01:03:37.080 Yeah.

01:03:37.460 Completely.

01:03:37.940 So,

01:03:38.520 with that in mind,

01:03:39.520 primaries,

01:03:40.240 competition,

01:03:40.800 which I like that you said that

01:03:42.120 because that's how I feel

01:03:43.040 about democracy,

01:03:43.960 I don't understand why people

01:03:44.960 wouldn't want certain candidates

01:03:46.320 to run.

01:03:47.040 Right.

01:03:48.000 What's wrong with DeSantis?

01:03:50.100 Um,

01:03:50.500 so here's some-

01:03:51.280 He's done a great job in Florida.

01:03:52.180 He has,

01:03:52.640 but why?

01:03:54.500 Why?

01:03:55.720 Everybody loves Austin Powers,

01:03:57.180 right?

01:03:58.600 Because Ron DeSantis

01:03:59.520 is the mini-me

01:04:00.620 of President Trump.

01:04:02.360 What he's doing in Florida

01:04:03.460 is like a scaled-down version

01:04:04.860 of America First

01:04:05.620 but applied to one state.

01:04:07.100 So,

01:04:07.540 you know,

01:04:08.120 as Bill Maher

01:04:09.540 said recently,

01:04:10.720 why would you go

01:04:12.820 to the tribute band's

01:04:14.140 concert

01:04:15.640 if the OG band

01:04:17.220 is still playing?

01:04:18.780 Good point.

01:04:19.540 Why would you vote

01:04:20.200 for the mini-me version

01:04:21.080 who can kind of do stuff

01:04:22.200 at that level on the state

01:04:23.240 where there's no background

01:04:24.260 in foreign policy,

01:04:25.380 no chops on national security?

01:04:27.780 Why would you-

01:04:28.680 It's a pig in a poke.

01:04:29.600 It's,

01:04:30.000 you know,

01:04:30.380 you don't know.

01:04:31.400 So,

01:04:31.700 let me-

01:04:32.640 First thing,

01:04:33.160 I want him on the

01:04:33.960 platform.

01:04:35.560 I want him on the primary.

01:04:36.600 But here are the problems

01:04:37.780 with Ron.

01:04:39.800 My buddy who has

01:04:40.640 the morning show

01:04:41.240 here on radio

01:04:41.840 who is my show prep,

01:04:43.540 keeps millions of people sane.

01:04:45.460 He was talking about

01:04:46.200 Ron DeSantis running

01:04:47.180 for governor

01:04:47.700 way back when,

01:04:48.680 whatever it was,

01:04:49.260 three years ago.

01:04:50.240 And he said,

01:04:51.660 this three-term congressman

01:04:53.720 from Florida,

01:04:55.660 and we help each other around,

01:04:57.000 and I was just about

01:04:57.700 to text him live on air

01:04:59.200 and say,

01:04:59.660 Chris,

01:05:00.220 what are you talking about?

01:05:02.820 Three-term congressman.

01:05:04.620 You've got to have

01:05:05.200 your fact-checkers

01:05:05.900 do their work.

01:05:06.560 And then I thought,

01:05:08.900 okay,

01:05:09.100 before I press send,

01:05:10.760 I'm going to Google

01:05:12.240 his CV.

01:05:14.800 Oh, yeah.

01:05:15.560 Chris was right.

01:05:16.660 He'd served

01:05:17.180 five and a half years

01:05:18.260 in congress.

01:05:19.300 And me,

01:05:20.580 a political junkie,

01:05:22.000 had no idea.

01:05:23.280 If you've been

01:05:24.220 in congress

01:05:25.000 for three terms

01:05:26.300 and I haven't heard

01:05:27.240 your name,

01:05:28.620 odds are

01:05:29.160 you're probably

01:05:30.000 an oxygen thief.

01:05:31.960 Secondly,

01:05:33.020 a couple of issues

01:05:33.900 that really

01:05:35.280 disturb me

01:05:35.900 one of his biggest

01:05:37.100 backers now

01:05:37.580 is Ken Griffin.

01:05:38.580 Ken Griffin

01:05:39.080 is a billionaire

01:05:40.220 hedge fund

01:05:42.160 tech guy

01:05:42.760 or what have you

01:05:43.480 who is a never-Trumper

01:05:45.400 who was Obama's

01:05:46.740 biggest bundler.

01:05:48.640 Excuse me?

01:05:50.360 Why is Obama's,

01:05:52.500 if you're conservative,

01:05:53.640 biggest campaign

01:05:55.240 funding bundler,

01:05:57.580 one of the biggest

01:05:58.860 people funding somebody

01:06:01.200 who's supposed to be

01:06:02.040 the new Donald Trump,

01:06:03.760 my fear is

01:06:04.900 that they are

01:06:07.240 whispering sweet nothings

01:06:08.420 in his ears

01:06:08.960 saying,

01:06:09.600 you're the guy,

01:06:10.680 you're the guy,

01:06:11.820 and he's being exploited

01:06:13.400 by the establishment

01:06:14.920 rhino class,

01:06:16.000 the Republicans

01:06:16.680 in name only.

01:06:18.280 And I've looked

01:06:19.040 in the camera

01:06:19.660 on my show

01:06:20.220 and said,

01:06:20.480 Ron,

01:06:21.320 run for president,

01:06:22.380 good on you.

01:06:23.260 Don't let yourself

01:06:24.220 become a tool

01:06:25.180 of the establishment

01:06:26.460 that hates

01:06:27.580 populist MAGA,

01:06:29.780 America first,

01:06:30.480 whatever you want

01:06:30.900 to call it.

01:06:31.680 And the last thing is

01:06:32.380 where this is where

01:06:33.080 he tanked

01:06:33.840 in the last few weeks

01:06:35.000 his flip-flop on Ukraine.

01:06:37.140 This is the guy

01:06:37.820 who has to prove most

01:06:38.820 that he's good

01:06:39.780 on foreign policy

01:06:40.600 as a former Navy officer.

01:06:43.240 His flip-flop on Ukraine

01:06:44.540 within 72 hours

01:06:45.840 was a disaster

01:06:47.400 and it showed

01:06:48.200 in the polls.

01:06:49.400 And then most telling

01:06:50.320 of all

01:06:50.900 is his response

01:06:52.020 to the leak

01:06:52.520 of the indictment

01:06:53.200 against President Trump.

01:06:54.100 His first press conference

01:06:57.080 on the Monday

01:06:57.620 after it was leaked

01:06:58.260 on Saturday

01:06:58.840 was catastrophic.

01:07:01.060 A, he decided

01:07:02.040 not to talk about it

01:07:03.220 despite the fact

01:07:04.700 that President Trump

01:07:05.440 lives in the state

01:07:06.140 he is the governor of

01:07:07.180 in Florida.

01:07:08.820 Then in the Q&A

01:07:09.940 on something

01:07:11.380 about tech

01:07:12.460 a journalist

01:07:13.700 naturally said,

01:07:14.640 could you react

01:07:15.460 to the leaked indictment

01:07:16.360 of President Trump?

01:07:18.120 And twice,

01:07:18.680 not once,

01:07:19.200 twice,

01:07:19.740 like a churlish

01:07:20.400 little punk

01:07:20.980 in the schoolyard

01:07:21.740 he mentions,

01:07:23.240 well,

01:07:23.460 I'm not going to comment

01:07:24.560 on hush money

01:07:25.880 for porn stars.

01:07:27.280 Grow up, Ron.

01:07:29.320 If you're a conservative

01:07:30.360 you believe

01:07:31.180 in law and order

01:07:32.440 and that lady justice

01:07:33.640 is blindfolded.

01:07:34.960 So you're going to make fun.

01:07:36.860 I know, you know,

01:07:37.440 it's kind of fun

01:07:38.140 to dig

01:07:38.760 and say hush money

01:07:39.880 for porn stars

01:07:40.560 but not only are you

01:07:42.000 the governor

01:07:42.640 of the state

01:07:43.080 in which the citizen resides

01:07:44.700 who should have

01:07:45.440 equality before the law

01:07:46.420 whether he's a former

01:07:47.100 president or not.

01:07:48.320 Secondly,

01:07:48.780 and you have to

01:07:49.400 know his background,

01:07:50.540 he was a jag.

01:07:51.220 He was a member

01:07:52.720 of the Judge Advocate

01:07:53.520 General Corps

01:07:54.200 for the Navy

01:07:54.960 which means

01:07:55.560 he was a prosecutor.

01:07:57.440 He was a lawyer.

01:07:59.140 If anyone

01:08:00.160 should have

01:08:00.800 something to say

01:08:02.040 about politically

01:08:03.560 aggressive prosecutors

01:08:05.080 doing things

01:08:06.620 that are shady,

01:08:08.040 it should probably

01:08:09.300 be a former

01:08:10.280 military prosecutor.

01:08:12.200 And he paid

01:08:13.500 the price.

01:08:14.120 And in the polls

01:08:14.660 he's between

01:08:15.280 20 to 40 points

01:08:17.000 behind President Trump.

01:08:17.940 But good luck to him.

01:08:20.160 But, you know,

01:08:20.980 not impressive so far

01:08:22.720 in these issues.

01:08:24.840 President Trump

01:08:25.500 and Ukraine.

01:08:28.140 Do you think

01:08:28.780 he stands a chance?

01:08:29.960 No.

01:08:33.160 Nobody.

01:08:33.800 Look, Kissinger,

01:08:34.680 not a big fan of Trump

01:08:35.660 although he used

01:08:36.540 to hang out

01:08:36.940 in the White House

01:08:37.500 almost every weekend.

01:08:38.660 He loved to be back

01:08:39.520 in the halls of power

01:08:41.040 when we were there.

01:08:42.720 Kissinger has said

01:08:43.560 and he's been around.

01:08:44.840 I mean,

01:08:45.100 he's been around.

01:08:45.960 He hasn't seen

01:08:48.280 anybody mobilize

01:08:49.240 Americans

01:08:49.920 like President Trump

01:08:51.000 does since FDR.

01:08:53.600 When Kissinger says

01:08:54.760 the power of this man

01:08:55.780 to mobilize Americans

01:08:57.320 hasn't been seen

01:09:00.160 since Roosevelt,

01:09:03.460 you probably should

01:09:04.300 pay attention.

01:09:05.140 And let's just

01:09:05.860 be empirical.

01:09:07.020 One of the funniest

01:09:07.640 things about the

01:09:08.200 campaign in 15,

01:09:09.660 because I'd be advising

01:09:10.420 President Trump

01:09:10.960 on national security,

01:09:12.300 is I'd go to

01:09:12.860 Trump Tower

01:09:13.300 into the campaign

01:09:13.780 headquarters

01:09:14.200 with some regularity.

01:09:16.420 And I'd be in there

01:09:17.140 constantly overhearing

01:09:18.740 the conversations of,

01:09:19.920 yeah,

01:09:20.180 we booked Mr. Trump

01:09:21.360 for this high school stadium

01:09:22.620 but it's already overflowing.

01:09:24.340 We've got to go

01:09:24.840 to the next one.

01:09:26.040 You get the local

01:09:26.620 state football.

01:09:28.320 The popular,

01:09:29.880 they were constantly

01:09:30.620 having to cancel

01:09:31.400 engagements

01:09:32.000 and go to bigger venues

01:09:33.180 because this is

01:09:34.260 the only man in America

01:09:35.400 who can announce

01:09:37.300 tomorrow

01:09:38.160 I'm going to Miami

01:09:39.820 or Poughkeepsie

01:09:41.020 or anywhere

01:09:41.760 and fill a stadium

01:09:43.240 with 60,000 people.

01:09:45.440 Biden could get six.

01:09:47.180 Ron,

01:09:47.940 maybe ten.

01:09:49.600 This man,

01:09:50.800 anywhere,

01:09:51.620 even in Democrat states,

01:09:53.880 so can get the people.

01:09:55.700 I flew with him

01:09:56.780 on Air Force One

01:09:57.740 to Youngstown, Ohio.

01:10:00.000 Youngstown is the rust belt.

01:10:02.000 Okay?

01:10:02.460 It's the part of America

01:10:04.040 that's been destroyed.

01:10:04.680 We were riding

01:10:07.160 in the convoy

01:10:07.920 to the stadium

01:10:08.660 and on the left

01:10:10.280 all you saw

01:10:10.880 was disused,

01:10:11.980 empty,

01:10:12.540 shattered steel mills.

01:10:14.140 On the right,

01:10:14.980 families dressed

01:10:15.800 very modestly,

01:10:17.220 standing on the pavement

01:10:18.500 waving their stars

01:10:20.040 and stripes.

01:10:20.920 We got to the stadium.

01:10:22.400 Boss was in the back

01:10:23.280 glad-handing

01:10:23.880 with the VIPs.

01:10:25.560 I decided to go

01:10:26.280 into the pit of the stadium

01:10:27.260 and meet with

01:10:28.060 the people of Youngstown

01:10:29.480 and the selfies

01:10:31.000 and all that jazz.

01:10:33.100 When President Trump

01:10:33.980 and Melania

01:10:34.940 came out on stage,

01:10:37.060 it was electric.

01:10:38.180 He couldn't start

01:10:39.320 his speech

01:10:40.060 because for minutes

01:10:41.700 the crowd spontaneously

01:10:43.180 were chanting

01:10:43.900 USA, USA, USA.

01:10:46.940 This,

01:10:48.460 in a town

01:10:49.320 that is 90% Democrat,

01:10:52.080 the people in that stadium

01:10:53.280 were Democrats,

01:10:55.000 their dads were Democrats,

01:10:56.380 their granddads

01:10:57.140 were Democrats.

01:10:58.840 That's a force of nature.

01:11:00.480 Whether you like

01:11:01.040 his tweets or not,

01:11:02.480 the fact that

01:11:03.180 working-class Americans

01:11:04.860 who have been betrayed

01:11:06.660 by the Uniparty

01:11:07.720 for 60 years

01:11:08.860 look at this billionaire

01:11:10.460 as a guy who cares,

01:11:13.200 it's an unstoppable

01:11:15.560 force of nature.

01:11:17.200 So the difficulty is,

01:11:18.560 and I'm not even playing

01:11:19.500 devil's advocate here,

01:11:20.400 which is kind of my job,

01:11:21.300 but actually this is

01:11:22.180 what I genuinely,

01:11:23.200 a question in my mind is,

01:11:25.100 there are two elements

01:11:27.560 to winning an election.

01:11:28.860 One is what you're talking about,

01:11:30.280 which is mobilizing the votes.

01:11:31.420 The other one

01:11:32.820 is persuading the undecided.

01:11:34.900 Correct.

01:11:35.880 And that is undoubtedly

01:11:38.420 the problem

01:11:40.640 with President Trump's approach.

01:11:43.360 Right?

01:11:43.780 Now,

01:11:44.580 you made the point yourself,

01:11:46.680 and you articulated it very well,

01:11:48.200 at the last election,

01:11:49.380 he mobilized

01:11:50.320 more of his base

01:11:51.720 than any incumbent president

01:11:54.280 in history.

01:11:55.740 But at the same time,

01:11:56.900 he still lost.

01:11:58.200 And his ability to persuade

01:11:59.800 is extremely limited now,

01:12:02.620 I think,

01:12:02.960 because of his rhetoric,

01:12:04.520 but also January the 6th

01:12:05.940 and also the indictment, right?

01:12:07.220 The people who are the undecideds,

01:12:09.020 they're going to be harder

01:12:09.620 to win over for him.

01:12:10.760 And the reason people

01:12:11.680 are talking about DeSantis

01:12:13.340 is that they see him

01:12:15.920 as very competent

01:12:16.680 in terms of the things he did,

01:12:18.660 particularly COVID.

01:12:19.500 I think that was a big deal

01:12:20.420 for a lot of people,

01:12:21.240 the things that he's done there.

01:12:22.460 And many other things

01:12:24.120 that he's doing in Florida.

01:12:25.720 And on top of that,

01:12:26.880 because he does not have,

01:12:28.860 you're right,

01:12:29.500 he doesn't animate people

01:12:30.600 in the same way,

01:12:31.320 but animation can go

01:12:32.360 in both directions.

01:12:33.360 So he doesn't off-put

01:12:35.140 as many people,

01:12:36.420 or put off as many people

01:12:37.540 as President Trump does.

01:12:38.960 And that's why I think

01:12:39.960 a lot of people on your side

01:12:41.400 are saying,

01:12:42.280 well, maybe if we just get this guy,

01:12:44.060 who I agree with you,

01:12:45.100 he is in some ways

01:12:47.520 taking on a lot of the,

01:12:49.820 you know,

01:12:50.380 the gestures of President Trump.

01:12:52.360 And Trump and the finger.

01:12:54.300 Well, making fun of the press

01:12:55.360 and everything.

01:12:55.900 Right.

01:12:56.320 Right.

01:12:56.860 But he isn't going to have

01:12:58.360 the toxicity.

01:12:59.920 And as a result,

01:13:00.900 he is a better candidate

01:13:01.980 to actually try to heal

01:13:03.880 some of the divides

01:13:04.800 in this country.

01:13:05.460 That's the argument.

01:13:06.900 So, you know,

01:13:08.200 to be the bastard

01:13:09.740 or to sound like Trump's pitbull,

01:13:11.820 I'm not interested

01:13:12.640 in healing divides.

01:13:13.740 I want to save the nation.

01:13:16.120 Healing divides-

01:13:16.640 Isn't that the same thing?

01:13:17.420 No.

01:13:18.040 No, no, no.

01:13:18.600 No, no, no.

01:13:19.220 No, no, no.

01:13:19.680 It's a difference between,

01:13:20.800 in military terms,

01:13:21.980 there's a tank

01:13:23.560 five clicks away

01:13:24.520 over the horizon

01:13:25.460 that can blow me

01:13:27.280 to smithereens.

01:13:28.220 But there's a guy

01:13:28.960 in front of me

01:13:29.620 with a gun

01:13:30.180 with a bayonet

01:13:30.820 and he's about

01:13:31.280 to put it in my guts.

01:13:33.320 The situation

01:13:34.240 in America right now

01:13:35.080 is there's a guy

01:13:36.000 with a bayonet

01:13:36.660 coming for me

01:13:37.760 two feet away.

01:13:39.960 When the FBI

01:13:40.800 is doing what they're doing,

01:13:42.240 when parents

01:13:44.300 are being targeted

01:13:45.280 by the Department of Justice

01:13:47.180 because they dare

01:13:48.600 to say,

01:13:49.300 we don't want

01:13:50.140 pedophilic pornography

01:13:51.880 in the school library.

01:13:54.180 We don't want

01:13:55.420 racist concepts

01:13:57.780 like critical race theory

01:13:58.720 to be taught

01:13:59.260 to 10-year-olds

01:14:00.560 and we want our kids

01:14:01.780 back in school

01:14:02.400 without masks.

01:14:03.480 And the FBI

01:14:04.240 has actually created

01:14:05.340 a threat tag.

01:14:06.500 It's getting technical,

01:14:08.360 but they created

01:14:09.040 a whole terminology

01:14:10.580 to use

01:14:11.340 Patriot Act

01:14:13.280 counterterrorism tools

01:14:14.680 to target parents.

01:14:17.000 And now we know

01:14:17.640 Catholics.

01:14:18.660 A recent memo

01:14:19.380 was leaked

01:14:19.860 from Richmond

01:14:20.620 FBI headquarters,

01:14:22.740 FBI field office,

01:14:24.320 saying,

01:14:25.440 watch out

01:14:26.000 and make sure

01:14:26.720 you surveil

01:14:27.580 Catholics

01:14:28.820 who go to

01:14:29.420 traditional masses,

01:14:31.020 especially Latin masses,

01:14:32.540 as potential threats

01:14:33.460 to America.

01:14:35.400 Not BLM,

01:14:36.980 not Antifa,

01:14:39.080 Catholics.

01:14:39.880 There has been

01:14:40.620 no attack

01:14:41.860 that I know of

01:14:43.120 since I've lived

01:14:43.620 in America

01:14:44.040 that was because

01:14:45.140 of people

01:14:46.060 who went to

01:14:46.700 Latin mass

01:14:48.320 as Catholics.

01:14:50.700 The bayonet

01:14:51.880 is inching

01:14:52.580 towards the sternum

01:14:53.800 of this nation.

01:14:55.700 We can heal

01:14:57.180 after we stop

01:14:59.640 the corruption

01:15:00.280 in this city.

01:15:01.420 The political weaponization

01:15:03.060 of the most powerful

01:15:04.100 government

01:15:04.520 in the world

01:15:06.200 must be stopped.

01:15:07.640 And I'm sorry,

01:15:08.720 Ron DeSantis

01:15:09.500 doesn't have the balls

01:15:10.720 or the maturity

01:15:11.580 to do it.

01:15:12.080 And there's one man

01:15:13.000 who's lived,

01:15:13.960 walked through

01:15:14.540 the arena

01:15:16.040 for four years,

01:15:17.460 six years now,

01:15:19.440 who

01:15:19.540 has more potential

01:15:23.820 than anyone

01:15:24.500 to fix it.

01:15:25.720 And to your point

01:15:26.500 about winning,

01:15:27.860 there is a very,

01:15:28.680 I mean,

01:15:28.900 we're all political junkies.

01:15:30.240 There's a very disturbing fact

01:15:31.360 in American politics.

01:15:33.440 Between 20% and 32%

01:15:35.180 of the electorate

01:15:35.940 decide who they're going

01:15:36.960 to vote on

01:15:37.700 in a presidential election

01:15:39.060 in the last eight days,

01:15:40.860 which blows my mind.

01:15:41.760 I mean,

01:15:42.180 you're in a tribe.

01:15:43.660 Yes,

01:15:43.900 you are in a tribe.

01:15:44.560 You're in a tribe

01:15:45.240 as well as I am.

01:15:46.400 We love the West.

01:15:47.980 But the idea

01:15:48.680 that you could go

01:15:49.740 from Jimmy Carter

01:15:51.200 to Reagan

01:15:51.980 in the last week

01:15:53.640 before an election,

01:15:54.580 like,

01:15:54.940 kind of flip a coin,

01:15:55.920 like,

01:15:56.320 what?

01:15:58.260 My contention,

01:16:00.140 my hope,

01:16:00.840 I can't prove it,

01:16:01.980 is that things

01:16:03.480 will be so,

01:16:04.740 so bad

01:16:06.160 in 20 months' time

01:16:08.520 that the undecideds,

01:16:11.140 the middle of the road,

01:16:12.320 will vote for President Trump

01:16:13.620 not because he's MAGA

01:16:14.900 or because he's going

01:16:15.940 to drain the deep state,

01:16:17.940 but because,

01:16:19.640 I mean,

01:16:19.860 I don't know if you followed

01:16:20.660 this in England.

01:16:22.480 Recently,

01:16:23.460 we didn't have baby formula

01:16:25.680 in America.

01:16:28.100 We had a baby formula drought.

01:16:31.080 You went to the local,

01:16:32.900 you know,

01:16:33.620 Safeway,

01:16:34.460 and the shelf was empty.

01:16:37.180 This is the only nation

01:16:38.340 on God's green earth

01:16:39.860 that put 12 men

01:16:41.880 on the moon.

01:16:43.780 We went there six times,

01:16:45.260 but we don't have baby formula?

01:16:47.940 We had a disastrous

01:16:49.380 train accident,

01:16:51.740 chemical waste,

01:16:53.260 inferno.

01:16:54.400 It took the government

01:16:55.580 14 days

01:16:57.260 to go to the site

01:16:58.460 of the disaster

01:16:59.140 as if the people

01:17:00.600 in this Trump

01:17:01.720 working class district

01:17:03.360 didn't really matter.

01:17:06.260 If you look at inflation,

01:17:08.460 if you look at

01:17:09.500 the incapacity of kids

01:17:12.020 to buy property

01:17:12.900 and start on the ladder,

01:17:15.260 it's going to get worse.

01:17:18.560 So my hope is

01:17:19.480 it's not cool campaign ads

01:17:21.640 or polite tweets

01:17:23.300 that are going to save us.

01:17:25.000 It's going to be

01:17:26.860 that so many people

01:17:27.600 are going to say,

01:17:28.240 I'm sorry.

01:17:29.660 The pendulum

01:17:30.220 has to swing back.

01:17:32.040 We'll find out

01:17:32.860 if that happens.

01:17:33.500 We will.

01:17:33.980 One last question

01:17:34.860 before we go.

01:17:35.460 Let's talk about

01:17:35.900 your political hero,

01:17:36.780 Joe Biden.

01:17:38.880 Slow Joe.

01:17:40.320 Beijing Biden.

01:17:41.320 Yeah.

01:17:42.300 Is he going to run again?

01:17:43.860 He thinks he is

01:17:44.800 and Jill,

01:17:45.640 you can tell Jill,

01:17:46.900 Jill has voted

01:17:47.960 on that one already.

01:17:48.980 I cannot believe

01:17:52.480 the DNC,

01:17:53.400 the Democrat National Convention

01:17:55.520 will allow him to.

01:17:59.800 How do you stop a man

01:18:00.980 who is the president

01:18:01.720 from running?

01:18:03.800 It's a tough question.

01:18:06.020 You indict him.

01:18:09.720 Sorry.

01:18:10.440 So I'm approaching

01:18:11.820 your question with logic.

01:18:13.520 So the left

01:18:14.460 is no longer driven by logic.

01:18:16.700 I cannot predict for you

01:18:18.240 what an irrational entity

01:18:19.280 will do.

01:18:20.120 He's running.

01:18:21.040 His wife thinks he's running.

01:18:22.900 The DNC

01:18:24.120 looked to be throwing him

01:18:26.840 under the bus continually.

01:18:28.020 The whole classified document thing,

01:18:29.760 that didn't come from the right.

01:18:31.220 I have utter certitude

01:18:32.480 that the whole,

01:18:33.140 you know,

01:18:33.640 secret documents

01:18:34.420 in his garage,

01:18:35.540 in his office,

01:18:36.740 that was from somebody

01:18:37.720 on the inside

01:18:38.260 who wanted to get rid of him.

01:18:40.180 Can they get rid of him?

01:18:41.340 No idea.

01:18:42.840 But he thinks he's running.

01:18:45.640 So there we go, Seb.

01:18:47.000 What a pleasure.

01:18:47.640 Thank you so much

01:18:48.640 for coming on the show.

01:18:50.760 If people want to buy your books,

01:18:52.060 if people want to find you online,

01:18:53.420 where's the best way to do that?

01:18:54.660 Yeah, so I'm everywhere

01:18:55.720 except the fascists of YouTube.

01:18:58.040 So you can find me

01:18:58.960 on sebgorker.com,

01:19:01.300 sebastiangorker.com,

01:19:03.240 Twitter,

01:19:04.200 Facebook,

01:19:05.280 Instagram,

01:19:05.800 Seb Gorker

01:19:06.280 or Sebastian Gorker.

01:19:07.680 And of course,

01:19:08.660 my sub stack

01:19:09.780 that I promise

01:19:10.920 I will write more frequently.

01:19:12.520 That's sebastiangorker.substack.com.

01:19:14.560 The latest book is

01:19:15.360 The War for America's Soul.

01:19:16.880 So you can find me anywhere.

01:19:18.120 Daily radio show

01:19:19.080 you can listen to

01:19:19.920 on your iTunes,

01:19:22.580 Apple podcast

01:19:23.340 is America First.

01:19:25.140 And then I have a TV show

01:19:26.260 on Newsmax as well.

01:19:27.320 And Seb,

01:19:27.760 before we let you go,

01:19:28.760 and not only let you go,

01:19:29.900 but before we go to locals

01:19:30.960 where people have submitted

01:19:32.180 their questions

01:19:32.960 that only they will get

01:19:34.400 to see the answers to,

01:19:35.820 as always,

01:19:37.040 what's the one thing

01:19:37.760 we're not talking about

01:19:38.560 that we really should be?

01:19:39.820 Well,

01:19:40.120 I'm going to give you two.

01:19:41.820 Generous.

01:19:42.580 I know,

01:19:43.000 I know.

01:19:43.340 You're in America,

01:19:43.960 but we do things bigger here.

01:19:45.580 Number one,

01:19:46.560 and you might

01:19:47.240 take umbrage here,

01:19:50.140 it's the transgender thing.

01:19:52.820 But one aspect of it,

01:19:54.340 the idea

01:19:54.900 that doctors

01:19:56.540 who've taken

01:19:57.580 the Hippocratic Oath

01:19:58.480 are mutilating minors

01:20:00.560 is the essence of evil.

01:20:03.040 I don't want to talk

01:20:04.580 about transgenderism

01:20:05.660 in general,

01:20:06.600 but medical professionals

01:20:08.320 harming children

01:20:09.800 in many cases

01:20:10.660 autistic children

01:20:11.500 must be stopped

01:20:13.340 and these people

01:20:14.440 must be punished

01:20:15.240 and put in prison.

01:20:16.720 The second one

01:20:17.740 is a philosophical one

01:20:18.740 and it came to me

01:20:20.180 in the depths of COVID.

01:20:26.120 Cowardice.

01:20:29.100 This nation

01:20:30.220 was built

01:20:32.180 on rugged individualism,

01:20:36.080 the pioneer spirit.

01:20:37.860 You drove with me

01:20:38.760 through the deep countryside

01:20:39.920 of West Virginia.

01:20:41.420 You saw the spirit of,

01:20:43.760 these are people

01:20:44.460 that, you know,

01:20:45.760 sally forth young man

01:20:47.320 into the wilderness

01:20:48.500 and create.

01:20:51.100 The idea that a nation

01:20:52.840 that was founded

01:20:54.740 and celebrates

01:20:55.640 that myth,

01:20:57.420 that narrative

01:20:58.200 of fortitude,

01:21:00.020 of courage,

01:21:01.000 was shut down

01:21:03.740 was shut down

01:21:03.760 by the likes

01:21:05.300 of Fauci,

01:21:07.380 beggars belief.

01:21:09.000 The idea

01:21:09.640 that we were told

01:21:10.540 that for a disease

01:21:13.100 that has

01:21:13.800 really only

01:21:15.340 a threat level

01:21:17.700 applicable

01:21:18.080 to those

01:21:19.000 with serious

01:21:19.540 comorbidities

01:21:20.260 or a certain age cohort,

01:21:21.960 we were told

01:21:22.560 to shut down

01:21:23.000 all business.

01:21:24.080 Unless you're Walmart

01:21:24.940 or Amazon,

01:21:25.640 you will shut down.

01:21:27.080 The fact that only,

01:21:28.000 you know,

01:21:28.280 this restaurant owner

01:21:29.320 in California,

01:21:30.440 this gym owner

01:21:31.240 in New York

01:21:31.720 said,

01:21:32.400 screw you,

01:21:33.440 I get to feed

01:21:34.160 my family

01:21:34.760 and my employees

01:21:35.900 get to feed their kids.

01:21:37.740 The fact that it wasn't

01:21:38.680 tens of thousands

01:21:39.940 of Americans

01:21:40.440 who said,

01:21:41.400 no,

01:21:42.140 I will assume the risk.

01:21:44.040 It is my decision.

01:21:45.400 It is my employees' decision.

01:21:47.300 The fact that we genuflected

01:21:48.700 at the altar

01:21:49.460 of Fauci

01:21:51.260 and fear,

01:21:52.840 for me,

01:21:53.260 we have to find

01:21:54.900 fortitude

01:21:55.580 and courage again.

01:21:57.180 And this isn't

01:21:57.900 an American thing.

01:21:58.660 This is a Western

01:21:59.440 civilization thing.

01:22:00.420 You know this

01:22:00.860 from your industry.

01:22:01.820 Why is your industry dead?

01:22:02.980 Why is comedy dead?

01:22:04.600 Cowardice.

01:22:05.140 That's all it is.

01:22:06.160 So we need to talk

01:22:06.840 about what it means

01:22:09.160 to have courage.

01:22:11.620 And I'll give you

01:22:12.360 one story

01:22:12.960 and then we can

01:22:13.480 move to locals.

01:22:15.700 Before the election,

01:22:16.540 I was invited

01:22:16.980 with my wife

01:22:17.460 to speak

01:22:17.880 at a conservative event

01:22:19.820 at the Trump

01:22:21.440 golf course here.

01:22:22.200 and it was

01:22:24.060 a gala,

01:22:24.940 so, you know,

01:22:25.340 black tie.

01:22:26.680 And I arrived early.

01:22:27.960 My wife was going to speak.

01:22:28.920 I was going to speak.

01:22:29.780 We arrived to the ballroom.

01:22:31.240 This woman sees me

01:22:31.920 from across the ballroom

01:22:32.820 and rushes over to me

01:22:34.100 in a lovely ball gown

01:22:35.500 and says,

01:22:36.100 Dr. G, Dr. G,

01:22:37.360 can I get a selfie?

01:22:38.680 And I said,

01:22:39.000 of course.

01:22:40.080 She said,

01:22:40.360 take the selfie.

01:22:41.480 And afterwards,

01:22:41.960 I said to her

01:22:42.440 what I say to everyone

01:22:43.420 that takes a selfie with me.

01:22:45.200 Don't forget to tag me

01:22:46.500 when you post it.

01:22:48.780 Suddenly,

01:22:49.260 her visage changed.

01:22:50.780 She got all doer.

01:22:52.640 And she said,

01:22:53.620 oh,

01:22:54.660 I can't put it on Facebook.

01:22:56.940 I can't post it.

01:22:59.440 My husband,

01:23:00.420 he's self-employed

01:23:01.380 and this part of Northern Virginia

01:23:03.600 is so Democrat.

01:23:07.060 At that moment,

01:23:08.240 a little part of me died.

01:23:11.660 An hour later,

01:23:12.400 when I was asked

01:23:12.900 to stand up in front of,

01:23:13.920 you know,

01:23:14.140 400 patriots

01:23:15.580 to make a speech,

01:23:17.500 I talked about this woman.

01:23:19.620 She was there.

01:23:20.180 I didn't use her name,

01:23:21.460 but I said the following.

01:23:24.140 If you do not put your name

01:23:27.780 to the values you say you hold,

01:23:31.400 you do not hold those values.

01:23:34.440 And you don't deserve

01:23:35.980 or have the right

01:23:37.040 to describe yourself

01:23:38.720 based upon those adjectives.

01:23:40.620 It's a very simple calculation.

01:23:42.760 You can't say,

01:23:43.600 I'm a patriot,

01:23:44.140 I love America,

01:23:44.660 I'm a conservative

01:23:45.200 or I love the working class

01:23:47.160 and I'm a Labour voter

01:23:48.540 if you aren't able

01:23:50.160 to actually associate you

01:23:52.680 with those values.

01:23:54.040 So, man up

01:23:56.100 and live your values.

01:23:59.220 Or woman up.

01:24:01.400 If you must.

01:24:04.600 Dr. Sebastian Gorka,

01:24:05.840 thank you so much

01:24:06.560 for being back on the show.

01:24:08.900 And thank you

01:24:09.680 for what you do.

01:24:10.440 I told you guys privately,

01:24:12.020 you guys are unique,

01:24:12.920 you are providing a service

01:24:13.800 nobody else is doing

01:24:14.600 and there's a reason

01:24:15.320 I have said publicly

01:24:16.360 on numerous occasions,

01:24:17.860 the best podcast

01:24:18.900 outside of America

01:24:20.600 is Trigonometry.

01:24:21.640 So, I salute you guys.

01:24:23.140 Thank you so much.

01:24:23.920 Thank you so much.

01:24:25.160 Join us on Locals

01:24:26.400 where we're going to ask

01:24:27.140 Seb your questions.

01:24:28.940 Thank you for being here,

01:24:30.020 for watching this.

01:24:30.820 We've got more amazing interviews

01:24:32.660 coming from our American trip

01:24:34.280 and more.

01:24:35.160 So, take care

01:24:35.800 and we'll see you on Locals

01:24:36.720 very shortly.

01:24:37.680 Take care

01:24:38.160 and see you soon, guys.

01:24:41.040 Because this isn't YouTube,

01:24:42.780 we can talk about this.

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TRIGGERnometry - April 23, 2023

＂DeSantis Will LOSE to Trump＂ - Dr Sebastian Gorka

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