TRIGGERnometry - Police Whistleblower：＂I Quit to Share the Truth＂

00:00:00.960 I think London is on a very, very bad path and something has to be done immediately.

00:00:06.240 The police needs reputing from scratch.

00:00:11.920 I think impartiality has gone a little bit downhill.

00:00:17.060 We had one training in which one of the questions asked of us was as follows.

00:00:24.800 how treating everyone equally

00:00:28.160 would potentially lead to inequality.

00:00:31.660 You know, this is a little bit Orwellian.

00:00:34.880 If something similar happens to 2011,

00:00:38.060 I don't think we'll be able to cope.

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00:01:10.780 Dimitar, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:12.680 Thank you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate that.

00:01:14.420 You're a former police officer with the Metropolitan Police.

00:01:17.780 Yes.

00:01:18.260 We will talk about your story and some of your views on policing

00:01:21.600 and other things that are happening.

00:01:23.020 But the first thing actually we wanted to talk about is we both ourselves have experienced this.

00:01:27.820 You know, I've seen people get mugged repeatedly now in London and I don't spend a lot of time in London.

00:01:33.060 And more broadly, we hear from our supporters, friends, people who live in London, that they just increasingly feel less safe.

00:01:40.300 Do you think there's a reason for this? Do you think it's true that people are less safe?

00:01:45.000 Yes, I think that's most definitely the case.

00:01:48.640 And I actually think people don't speak enough about how dangerous London has become because they had enough. They have reached a level of detachment from reality only because they have realized they are speaking about the topic.

00:02:08.000 you know they're bringing it up nothing really happens so a lot of people know how dangerous

00:02:13.160 london is but actually don't talk about it so your friends i think are rather in a minority

00:02:18.780 of people who still talk about that topic for example the new statistics saying that

00:02:26.020 the crime in london is going downhill is going downhill only because people are not literally

00:02:33.920 bothered to report it and i'll give you an example from my own self i um i don't have many many

00:02:42.080 hobbies one thing i like a lot it's mountain biking i'm a big mountain bike fan uh so i bought

00:02:48.340 me a brand new quite expensive mountain bike because i'm a big guy and i'm quite heavy so i

00:02:53.320 wanted to buy a nice piece of machinery there after a couple of months got stolen i didn't

00:03:00.680 report it myself why because i know it's not going to go anywhere so yes to answer your question

00:03:06.660 they're absolutely right uh it's getting very very volatile uh it's getting very dangerous

00:03:12.860 i've seen that even when i was um back in um back working for the met i remember people will be you

00:03:20.940 know someone get their phone snatched and then suddenly you know people getting pushed away you

00:03:26.020 know pushed on the floor and then getting their thoughts snatched then people branding knives

00:03:31.940 and getting your phone away and i was i was seeing you know the the the violence was escalating

00:03:39.160 drastically that's my personal view to be honest uh also i've seen that a lot of people started to

00:03:46.360 you know criminals started to uh you know attack police officers absolute uh disrespect towards

00:03:54.120 you know law enforcement and and anything of uh such sort so uh yes uh i think london is on a very

00:04:00.660 very bad path and something has to be done immediately and the question that will be on

00:04:05.680 everyone's lips is why is this happening and i think your personal story ties very much into

00:04:11.040 this so why do you think it's happening okay uh from a police perspective i think a lot of officers

00:04:19.020 they call it disillusionment with the job uh they understand in a way that they're fighting

00:04:27.540 a losing battle uh i think for the first time in the history of the met uh voluntary resignations

00:04:35.800 has surpassed people who retire wow and that's that's absolutely extraordinary and whatever i

00:04:41.940 say here everyone can go and look it up uh i am here mostly because i want to speak to the regular

00:04:49.360 member of the public you know for the taxpayer and ask them to go and check these things for

00:04:54.180 themselves to actually realize that the situation is not it's not good at all so it's the does that

00:04:59.800 disillusionment with the job it's impossible tasks i used to work in uh westminster from being famous

00:05:07.920 Charing Cross police station. It is not exaggeration when I say that is non-stop call after call after

00:05:17.480 call after call. It is impossible for you to keep on top of that, let alone proper investigate further

00:05:23.540 on. There's some wonderful people still in the Metropolitan Police and I think Londoners are

00:05:28.840 incredibly happy to have them. I have been inspired by such people. Probably that's why I

00:05:34.200 last in the med so long because i thought to myself not everything is lost but i think the

00:05:40.580 the amount of work is impossible nobody wants to join the police because specifically lately

00:05:46.040 lately the the last few years you know there was a lot of bad media coverage uh some egregious

00:05:52.940 examples you know if you want to speak about these egregious examples later on you know we can we

00:05:58.240 can address that but they don't recruit and they're losing mostly the best people they have

00:06:04.360 this is a recipe for a disaster and it's just matter of time before something happened and

00:06:10.780 they won't be able to control it and i think deep down they know that i really think deep down you

00:06:15.740 know the senior leadership of the metropolitan police realizes that so tell us your story then

00:06:20.660 how did you decide to join the police why did you join the police and then what happened from there

00:06:26.520 maybe just tell you know a lot of people were saying you've got an interesting accent just

00:06:29.880 tell us a little bit more about you yes of course i am originally bulgarian and um i came to the

00:06:38.040 united kingdom because um because of my grandfather to put it that way from a very very young age he

00:06:45.640 taught me to read the classics so i started with uh yeah with russian classics um unbelievable you

00:06:52.120 You have to read those to Jesken, you know, probably in Tolstoy and Gorky.

00:06:56.660 And you know so much about life.

00:06:58.600 If you want to be depressed.

00:07:00.680 Yes, yes, yes.

00:07:01.760 And informed.

00:07:02.860 And then I moved to French classics.

00:07:04.820 Yes, of course, wonderful.

00:07:06.220 And then I ended up with reading British classics.

00:07:09.680 And I thought to myself, one day I want to go to Great Britain, you know.

00:07:14.000 And I ended up in Liverpool.

00:07:15.680 That was the first place which I went to live.

00:07:18.220 An incredibly unique place.

00:07:19.960 Not English, not British Liverpool.

00:07:22.120 and you know more power to the people there they're very very friendly some of the best people

00:07:26.840 ever met however deep down i always wanted to come in london because when i was in liverpool i'll get

00:07:32.040 the bus and i'll come to london i'm just going to walk around and i see this magnificent city

00:07:38.360 and i'm thinking about the history that brought this city into existence all these lovely amazing

00:07:46.200 people who made it happen for me to have the opportunity to work as a free man as an individual

00:07:52.780 according to what i think is the best values in the world the british values that's what i think

00:07:57.660 i sincerely believe that and i was thinking to myself well i am young i believe i have courtesy

00:08:05.680 and dignity transparency and integrity i'm relatively fit what can i do

00:08:11.720 to help this place this country this city that i felt in love with preserve itself and not only

00:08:20.300 but make it the best city in the world and i think the best position to do that is actually

00:08:27.820 joining the police because you can make an everyday difference in someone else's life

00:08:33.480 and that person can remember that and they can make that difference for someone else

00:08:37.780 And you can spread that goodness upon hundreds of thousands of people, you know, for the next 10 to 15, 20 years.

00:08:45.700 So I joined the police. I applied. I got the job.

00:08:50.420 One day before I came to London, I got, you know, a phone call.

00:08:54.920 You know, hello, Dimitri, you know, you are on that university degree path.

00:08:58.580 Welcome to the police.

00:09:00.380 And, you know, you're going to work becoming the best constable you can possibly be while attaining to this university degree and, you know, even further fulfill your professional, you know, goals.

00:09:15.840 I don't think to myself, that sounds very nice. In my head, I'm thinking this will be probably something very well related to the legislations, which a constable most definitely needs to know inside out.

00:09:30.080 that's absolutely paramount so i thought to myself okay you know that's great i'm happy

00:09:34.660 i come to london i find myself a place it was a little bit of a covid we had a few lectures

00:09:39.340 online and then eventually we started going to university and this is the first time when i was

00:09:47.400 starting to think this is not very well conducted brand new building in in the city of london east

00:09:56.160 india um i can name it i was assigned to a university called anglia ruskin university

00:10:03.200 so we go there and sometimes in the beginning i know it's the beginning we're the first course you

00:10:08.320 know they used to call us also the guinea pigs and please bear that in mind because it will become

00:10:13.360 very relevant later on so we go there in the beginning sometimes the internet wasn't working

00:10:18.960 very well well you know it's a brand new building that's absolutely fine then uh guys you are in room

00:10:24.480 10 oh no no no guys i'm very very sorry you're in room 12 oh i apologize you're in room 15 you know

00:10:31.700 and i'm thinking to myself um this is all paid with taxpayers money millions upon millions of

00:10:38.840 pounds of pounds are implemented into that program and i understand we are the first class uh but i

00:10:45.720 think there must be some expectations from an establishment which is paid by taxpayers money

00:10:53.020 to be adequately prepared to make the program, you know, relative and, you know, smooth, as smooth as possible.

00:11:03.080 Anyway, you know, those things, they were a little bit strange.

00:11:07.540 But then we started having some lectures and the materials given to us,

00:11:15.360 I think a lot of it has no relevance with the training of a frontline police constable.

00:11:23.020 specifically in the beginning of their career for example um they used to teach us theories

00:11:29.960 such as broken window theory well that that's okay maybe for someone if if someone wants to

00:11:36.260 expand in their professional conduct in the future to come as a criminologist maybe they can look

00:11:42.280 upon that in the fullness of time but not at the moment you need to know how legislations are

00:11:50.100 presented and how legislations are presented in circumstances in which a constable may happen

00:11:58.600 to be part of you know was that a burglary was that theft was that robbery do you understand

00:12:04.600 what to do you know it should be more police oriented specifically about the job not about

00:12:09.860 theories. Then we had one training in which one of the questions asked of us was as follows.

00:12:21.820 How treating everyone equally would potentially lead to inequality? You know, this is a little

00:12:29.480 bit Orwellian. Yes, yes, this is a little bit Orwellian. I'm looking at that and I'm thinking

00:12:34.760 officers police officers in training uh told that question in a very very interesting uh

00:12:42.980 very interesting wording you know and it seems to me it goes against uh the very core principles of

00:12:49.040 impartiality you know it makes you think oh my god what do you mean i'm treating everyone equally

00:12:55.200 and might lead to inequality it's very very very confusing very very confusing and i think this is

00:13:00.500 extraordinary bad thing to introduce to officers specifically some of my colleagues were very very

00:13:05.840 young people you know in their 20s and i'm thinking they're getting confused here and uh i thought to

00:13:11.860 myself this is this is crazy i don't want to be part of that you know this is waste of taxpayers

00:13:15.900 money i want to be a police officer people are getting robbed people are getting stopped selling

00:13:21.720 drugs fights all over the place let me be let me get off this course and let me specialize you know

00:13:27.540 let me just be the officer i want it to be to protect this city and i truly mean that from the

00:13:32.740 heart anyway so i was very very lucky because my class my class was actually very outspoken about

00:13:40.820 that on few occasions we actually made it very very clear the whole class that we want to be

00:13:45.940 taken off this course guess what we were told on many many many occasions guys you either do this

00:13:56.720 or you're going to lose your job i want everyone that will be watching the show just to think for

00:14:04.440 a second if they think it's appropriate to tell a police officer in training that if you do this

00:14:12.140 if you don't do this i'm sorry you're going to lose your job that's coercion to the best i think

00:14:18.420 to the max this is this is um really really really really bad and when they said that quite a few

00:14:24.280 times i was looking around me and i could see the faces of my colleagues they were so gloomy

00:14:31.500 you know they have nothing to say about that and dimit just interject one thing i think it's

00:14:37.860 important to say that the one of the problems is that having a university degree was made a

00:14:44.400 requirement for police officers absolutely and this is why you're all sitting doing this course

00:14:48.880 yes i imagine most of you would rather just be out there being given practical skills to do

00:14:54.140 with how to police in a heartbeat right in a heartbeat yes yeah uh and they used to say that

00:14:59.820 quite a few times you know guys if you don't do this you're going to lose your job however

00:15:04.760 a few days after that they'll come and they'll say you know something don't worry guys you're

00:15:10.220 the first class you're going to pass and i'm sitting there i'm thinking this is uh this is

00:15:15.340 extraordinary thing to say um i really was uh that was bewildering oh don't worry guys you know

00:15:20.920 you know you're the first class you know yeah we have made some mistakes but you are the guinea

00:15:26.140 pigs like i've mentioned in the beginning of our conversation and i'm thinking to myself this is

00:15:31.440 this is extraordinary conduct you know if if this is a serious university uh you know uh i don't

00:15:39.580 think they'll be acting like that you know there will be a dialogue there will be a discourse

00:15:43.400 a proper discourse of why we actually don't want to be on that course not be taught where we have

00:15:49.580 to do it or you're losing your job but um that was no that was not the most extraordinary thing

00:15:55.860 we have been told on few occasions and i'm not exaggerating and if some of my colleagues are

00:16:03.160 watching that i beg of them to come forward and say the same thing and i'm already i already

00:16:08.060 spoken to one of them and he said yes demi i clearly clearly remember that on one occasion

00:16:14.140 at least the lecturer who was supposed to deliver a material to us read that material to us said

00:16:21.600 she looked at the you know the powerpoint and she said and i quote oh my god who wrote this

00:16:29.480 please guys don't shoot the messenger i'm only here to read you that and i'm looking around me

00:16:36.740 I'm thinking, am I drinking crazy peels?

00:16:40.440 A lecturer openly mocking the very same material

00:16:44.380 they're going to deliver to us.

00:16:47.120 I went back to the station, you know, after my university days,

00:16:51.720 and I said to my supervisor and to my inspector

00:16:54.660 that I want to be taking off the course as soon as possible.

00:16:58.740 And I stopped submitting any work required, you know, of me.

00:17:03.660 And everything I have submitted before that was halfway through because I was really, really scared that I'm really going to lose my job.

00:17:12.440 But I reached a breaking point.

00:17:15.200 I'm thinking I cannot morally continue like that.

00:17:19.880 It may cost me my job, but I live my life on a very, very simple mode.

00:17:25.240 So if it's not right, don't do it.

00:17:28.380 If it's not true, don't say it.

00:17:30.700 I couldn't.

00:17:31.500 I really, really couldn't.

00:17:32.460 And so I stopped submitting anything.

00:17:35.880 I haven't submitted anything for probably 12 months.

00:17:38.960 I haven't submitted dissertation, you know, final work, nothing at all.

00:17:42.960 And I spoke to a chief inspector in learning and development,

00:17:48.380 and they told me, you need to write us a letter.

00:17:52.280 And we're going to assess the letter.

00:17:54.400 And if you meet the exceptional circumstances criteria,

00:17:59.220 you may be taking off the course.

00:18:00.940 So, I write everything I told you in the letter, and I specifically said to them, I truly think it is indeed an exceptional circumstance for someone to mock the very same material they're going to read as teachers. That's extraordinary.

00:18:16.800 uh my application uh wasn't uh adequately uh under the umbrella of um exceptional circumstances and

00:18:28.980 i was told that i have to continue with that course then uh in a little bit more strong

00:18:35.880 worded email from my uh site i said i am not doing this and that's that you know and then

00:18:44.040 Then after I sent that email, I received an email from another external company, which

00:18:51.480 was given the contract initially, and that external company has given the four universities

00:18:57.860 the ability to teach new offices.

00:19:01.320 And that email said to me, literally, Dimitar, you either do this or you need to resign.

00:19:10.300 Then it follows, of course, I hope it's not the Latze and, you know, we want to help you out.

00:19:15.300 And that was a breaking point.

00:19:16.600 That was a breaking point because a few days before that, I did an attachment with ARVs, which means arm response vehicles.

00:19:25.460 And I was so happy to be surrounded by such professional police officers.

00:19:32.200 And I did 10 hours with them.

00:19:34.600 And in the end of the shift, they told me, OK, Dimitar, you can send us an application and we will see what we can do for you.

00:19:44.080 And I know what that means.

00:19:45.500 You know, I'll send an application.

00:19:47.260 Probably I'll be given a chance to prove myself and eventually join them if I pass all the assessments required.

00:19:53.580 So I was very, very happy.

00:19:55.200 I went back to, you know, to my inspector, to my sergeant.

00:19:58.220 And it was like, Dimit, Dimit, we're going to sign you off immediately, you know, and you can go specialize everywhere you want.

00:20:04.600 but we can't because you don't have the degree.

00:20:08.800 And this is when I send the email,

00:20:10.060 when the email comes back,

00:20:11.460 you either do this or you need to resign.

00:20:13.580 And that was a breaking point.

00:20:14.840 I resigned.

00:20:15.520 I resigned two days after that.

00:20:19.760 And my last day was on the 31st of March, 2024.

00:20:25.740 And it was a devastating moment for me

00:20:29.380 and for my partner.

00:20:30.700 I'm not with my partner anymore

00:20:32.800 because I became very, very detached from everyone, from her.

00:20:38.520 I just couldn't understand why this is happening.

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00:22:24.980 I did have two exit interviews, which is quite extraordinary on its own. On my

00:22:32.620 second exit interviews, on my second exit interview, the chief inspector that wanted to

00:22:40.460 help me out had a conversation with the chief inspector in learning and development.

00:22:45.140 and uh they were speaking for over 45 minutes but i very vividly remember she saying to her

00:22:51.480 i'm sorry but um why are we losing this officer again he's public order uh trained level two

00:22:58.800 he stays a train he speaks multiple languages um his inspector is here his sergeant is here

00:23:05.540 they're very very supportive of him uh his team is very very supportive of him why are we losing

00:23:12.060 him. I vividly remember that. And I don't know what the structure of the Met is, what type of

00:23:19.280 a contract precisely they have signed with this university awarding degree. I really, really don't

00:23:24.700 know, but they couldn't give me a decisive answer. They wanted me to wait. And I couldn't,

00:23:29.880 gentlemen, I couldn't. I was broken. I love every moment policing London. And I think I have

00:23:36.700 benefited quite a few people to say the least and I think my colleagues can quite a few of them can

00:23:43.440 say that I was a substantive and well overall in general compared a complete officer to begin with

00:23:51.640 I have done so many things to help my colleagues so many sell exits with other teams which I don't

00:23:58.780 know anything about pulled people from the bridge you know going into the butt so if I may put it

00:24:05.060 that way i did it so selflessly i was really prepared if the circumstances are such i'm not

00:24:13.200 exaggerating to lose my life if i have to but to preserve human dignity and goodness and i sincerely

00:24:20.360 believe that and probably that's why the impact was so heavy on me and resulted in me eventually

00:24:26.360 breaking up with my girlfriend i was i was in a very very dark place i just couldn't um i just

00:24:32.240 couldn't take it anymore and what part what point i thought you know i i lost my meaning of life you

00:24:37.560 know i was i was good at it at this you know i just i just wanted to to make a difference and

00:24:43.060 have taken that away from me and uh i'm i'm not seeking vengeance i just hope people can hear my

00:24:50.740 story so that will never never happen again to other uh complete decent officers who wants to

00:24:58.120 make a difference because we need them now more than ever uh to to to be honest more than ever

00:25:03.580 yeah yeah that that that that it's a little bit of a it's a little bit of a sad story but

00:25:10.060 let me continue i'm sorry just had a little bit of a flashback three months after i resigned it

00:25:16.900 was a beautiful summer day i think it was july you know i'm at home doing nothing i open my laptop

00:25:24.240 and I go to my private email and I'm seeing there an email from Anglia Ruskin.

00:25:31.540 Congratulations, Dimitar, we have awarded you a diploma in policing.

00:25:36.320 And I'm thinking to myself, of course, this is a mistake.

00:25:40.800 They have made so many mistakes.

00:25:42.840 You know, probably there was some type of an explanation.

00:25:46.780 You know, that's not true.

00:25:47.760 You know, maybe they made a mistake, like I said.

00:25:51.540 Anyway, I was free.

00:25:52.780 let me go into my anglia ruskin profile i go into my anglia ruskin profile lo and behold i have been

00:26:01.080 awarded a barcelo in policing with no honors with no honors which is an insult to injury you know

00:26:09.660 that that that is so insulting to my intelligence that uh i was so bewildered at that moment and

00:26:16.980 angry and angry i'm thinking to myself i left because of this insanity and eventually you're

00:26:24.660 awarded that to me without me submitting anything for over a year it was quite quite quite quite

00:26:30.780 interesting i'm thinking to myself let me actually download that diploma because that's that is

00:26:34.580 extraordinary few months later because i still talk to quite a few people in the met and in the

00:26:42.500 met there's a lot of gossip but the gossip in met can be very very precise because it's a very very

00:26:48.440 close community so the gossip most of the time is actually quite accurate and i heard that someone

00:26:54.480 was awarded a degree not only without submitting dissertation but without submitting level two in

00:27:01.460 maths and i'm thinking it's possible man it's possible if they're giving me a degree without

00:27:07.280 me submitting anything maybe they did that to someone else let me double check let me just

00:27:12.060 check and i send a freedom of information request which i have is on my emails uh and the freedom

00:27:17.560 of information request goes as follows i think from memory has anyone being awarded a degree

00:27:24.580 in uh policing without a submitting dissertation or b submitting dissertation or level two achieving

00:27:32.360 level two in english or maths the freedom of information request comes back and says no

00:27:37.960 yes and i think i think is either the freedom of information request might not be truly uh accurate

00:27:50.240 or the university needs to explain how this is actually possible to happen and i wanted to find

00:27:58.540 out i went back to the very building which we used to um you know have our lectures uh in east

00:28:06.220 i go there they're not there anymore i'm thinking uh oh they're not here anymore well they lost the

00:28:13.260 contract with with the metropolitan police i actually think by now uh the university degree

00:28:18.880 has been scrapped uh for i think few years because the backlash was nationally quite uh quite loud

00:28:26.440 you know people say this is this is this is not this is not working well people resign because of

00:28:30.940 it, you know, the amount of work officers experiencing police in London. And on top of

00:28:37.340 that, they need to do, quite frankly, in my opinion, Alice in Wonderland. The grid's quite

00:28:43.420 striking. And I go there and said, OK, but do you know where they have moved to? Well, we don't know.

00:28:51.540 And I can't find anyone from Anglia Ruskin. You know, I wanted to go there with my diploma,

00:28:56.960 tell them my circumstances and just ask them how this is possible you know tell me how i was awarded

00:29:02.280 that without me submitting anything to begin with it seems to me the university never has taken into

00:29:08.700 account that there'll be someone like me that eventually will speak about that i think they

00:29:18.120 thought maybe to some extent they can intimidate us but that is not going to happen because there

00:29:23.840 bigger things about me and them and the bigger things are the health and well-being of londoners

00:29:31.900 and how the police can preserve that not only preserve that but to make sure the many many

00:29:38.500 problems of london which already exist can be resolved this is bigger than me this is bigger

00:29:43.600 than them we need to find out exactly what's going on because i think is absolutely outrageous

00:29:47.720 and i think the worrying thing there's many worrying things about your story but

00:29:52.680 But the thing that resonates with me is, how are we meant to have good police officers

00:29:57.400 when we're not doing the training programs that will prepare them adequately for the job?

00:30:03.340 Francis has an answer for that.

00:30:05.380 And I have to be very, very honest.

00:30:08.440 I'm a big believer in individual responsibility.

00:30:13.200 There were other officers like myself that could say, no, we are not doing this.

00:30:19.280 This is insanity.

00:30:20.240 however for one reason or another and i understand i understand the price to pay

00:30:27.040 it's truly truly devastating like in my case maybe some of them thought i'm just gonna get

00:30:33.900 along with it and maybe in future things will get better i don't think in future things will get

00:30:40.020 better you are holding the office of constable before you being a student or anything else

00:30:48.080 it's absolutely necessary for you to have that honesty before anything else i don't want to do

00:30:56.540 this don't only say it to to your to the people in university or to your sergeant speak to your

00:31:03.020 colleagues unite with your colleagues say it clearly i am not doing this what are you going

00:31:09.780 to do this is crazy we don't want to do university's degrees i want to be the best police officer i can

00:31:16.720 it is up to them they could stand up and say no we're not doing this a lot of them didn't

00:31:23.520 for one reason or another i understand some people have family some people need that income but

00:31:28.820 essentially to some extent they are a little bit part of why this is perpetuated upon them

00:31:36.520 because they haven't done enough maybe some of my colleagues won't like that but i think that's

00:31:41.800 the case you need to stand your ground it was crazy it was insane you can't continue like that

00:31:47.980 you know the struggle you have been through to get an Alice in Wonderland degree again I mean

00:31:53.260 why why you need to go through that struggle taking so much away from your time you know

00:31:58.640 years that will never come back and I think it's up to them they need to make a stand uh in in in

00:32:04.420 everyday policing as well uh I am a big believer that if you're frontline police officer you should

00:32:10.220 look after yourself instead of finishing the shift and saying oh you know guys let's go to the pub

00:32:15.320 that's absolutely fine you socialize but sometimes you need to say you know guys let's go to the gym

00:32:20.060 uh you can't have um five or six officers jumping on a on a on a just a regular male who is a little

00:32:29.440 bit more volatile in order for you to detain him you know you need two three officers maximum to

00:32:35.380 be able to do that. We already struggle with numbers. We need to expand on standards. But

00:32:43.440 standards, no matter what you give me, Francis, you can give me the best training in the world.

00:32:48.520 If I don't want to do it myself, it will go nowhere. It starts with an individual.

00:32:52.720 But that also comes to recruitment, Dimitar, because, I mean, look, this is just when I walk

00:32:59.220 around London, but I've noticed the standard of police officers, the way they conduct themselves,

00:33:04.900 the way they dress and also the shape that they're in i mean they don't look like they'd

00:33:12.240 be able to arrest anybody to be brutally honest and they don't necessarily look very professional

00:33:17.600 of course not all police officers there are a lot of police officers that do

00:33:21.100 but even in the 40 or so years i've lived in this city i've seen a marked decline in standards

00:33:27.080 i i agree with you yes um you know i'm not a religious person but there are a few things

00:33:33.720 in the Bible, which are actually quite correct.

00:33:36.400 You know, open rebuke is better than secret love.

00:33:39.180 I wholeheartedly agree with you.

00:33:41.400 Again, I don't think some of my ex-colleagues

00:33:47.520 understand the incredibly important nature

00:33:51.620 of the objective reality, physical reality

00:33:55.380 of frontline policing.

00:33:57.920 I'm here to speak only about frontline policing.

00:34:00.700 you have to be most definitely in my opinion above average when it comes to uh an average

00:34:09.400 fitness test what an average male can do or a female some of uh one of the fittest police

00:34:16.280 officer i've ever worked with was a female she was always downstairs with uh with me in the gym

00:34:20.800 she was incredible but i don't know what is stopping them i think i have a theory what is

00:34:30.000 stopping them a very good friend of mine who is still in the police he's there i mean a few decades

00:34:37.680 now told me that a lot of people come and when they see the the horrible circumstances of what

00:34:43.600 policing means they become very very cynical not only their approach uh in work but uh you know in

00:34:51.180 their personal lives and i think he's actually correct it takes a lot of effort uh to go to the

00:34:59.080 gym it takes a lot of effort to be immaculate every single day and in my opinion being a police

00:35:04.500 officer holding that uh incredibly important role in london it is the demanding position

00:35:11.260 and if you're not ready to reach that level perhaps perhaps you can go home you can speak

00:35:19.180 to someone in work and say to them you know buddy i i don't think i'm i'm the best version of myself

00:35:26.380 let me let me get let me get some help what can i do you know uh i'm always giving people the

00:35:32.320 benefit of the doubt i'll never say you know that job is not for you no no no never i want to help

00:35:36.700 you out buddy but you need to do it on your own and like you said yes um i quite often go to uh

00:35:44.060 central london and uh uh you know i walk past by people and um when there's a police guy and

00:35:51.580 suddenly few officers looking like you just described them come out i can just hear the

00:35:56.620 public oh my god look at them i mean it's uh it's actually quite dangerous because uh uh one

00:36:03.660 gentleman uh was uh walking and he saw these officers having a coffee and he said they look

00:36:09.300 like a caricature in uniforms and it's not only you it's it's it's it's a quite quite of a quite

00:36:17.720 of a situation, and that situation can only be addressed within the individuals to begin with.

00:36:23.120 However, the institution is quite difficult to inspire them to be that best version of themselves.

00:36:33.040 But surely, Dimitar, this comes from the top. It's the people at the top who set the standards

00:36:37.940 of any organization. Because if you don't set the standards at the top, then look, there's some

00:36:43.440 people like yourself who are self-motivated, who are really passionate, but there are other people

00:36:49.260 who are just there because it's a job. And if you let standards slip, then it's going to affect

00:36:55.240 everything and everyone. To me, this is a crisis of leadership, isn't it?

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00:38:21.440 expatmoney.com slash trigger. To me, this is a crisis of leadership, isn't it?

00:38:28.020 It is definitely a crisis of leadership. And let's speak about leadership indeed. I think, I don't want to offend anyone in the senior leadership of the Metropolitan Police. There's some lovely, lovely, extraordinary great people there.

00:38:48.540 But in general, I think they have reached a level of astonishingly being capable of self-deception.

00:39:01.480 And I call that the magic Excel document.

00:39:05.720 We need 10 people to go to that place and we need 20 people to go to that protest.

00:39:14.560 Let's see how we can manage the numbers.

00:39:16.520 It's all about numbers.

00:39:18.540 But the quality of offices, it's through the window.

00:39:24.000 It's all about numbers.

00:39:25.020 And I always thought to myself, these people in these positions of so much power and decision making, they should know better than anyone else.

00:39:33.140 It's not only about numbers.

00:39:35.480 A football team has 11 players.

00:39:38.140 If you take Ronaldo and put me in, it'd still be 11 players.

00:39:42.800 But the performance will deteriorate massively.

00:39:45.060 I don't think to myself, can they not see the bigger picture?

00:39:50.000 And unfortunately, I think, which is very, very sinister, I think, maybe some of them do.

00:39:58.520 But the next promotion, the next promotion is very well paid.

00:40:03.500 You have a lot of power if you are chief inspector and above working for the Metropolitan Police.

00:40:09.240 It is a nice place to be.

00:40:12.240 I think some of them understand that. And I would like to say that quite a few of them understand that quite well. But why nothing is done, I think it's because the politics are so complex on that level.

00:40:26.880 So I think the police needs rebuilding from scratch, not today, tomorrow, before it's too late.

00:40:42.440 It has to be solely based on the pillion principles.

00:40:47.440 And that's that.

00:40:48.680 That's that.

00:40:49.460 Nothing else.

00:40:50.720 Nothing more.

00:40:51.320 Which are what?

00:40:51.800 Well, for example, treat everyone equally. I mean, treat everyone equally. Honesty, integrity, the rule of law, be impartial. That's very, very important.

00:41:11.100 I think impartiality has gone a little bit downhill because officers like this document I saw in this document, I told you, I saw in one of the trainings, you know, saying that treating everyone equally can lead to unequal outcome.

00:41:32.260 In equal outcome, yes.

00:41:34.060 Impartiality is very, very, very important.

00:41:36.880 Very important.

00:41:37.680 Just work according to the law.

00:41:41.760 Bring courtesy back.

00:41:44.320 Bring discretion back.

00:41:46.540 I think officers have been taking a lot of discretion away from them.

00:41:50.380 And that's a big problem.

00:41:52.540 I think you should exercise more discretion, of course, based on your impartial approach.

00:41:59.340 If someone steals a sandwich because someone has nothing to eat, of course, you're going to give them that discretion and you're going to treat them differently if someone just steals a sandwich because they can't be bothered, you know, to pay.

00:42:13.960 In that sense, I understand, yes, maybe your treatment according to the particular circumstances might be different, but discretion has gone.

00:42:25.180 You know, discretion is over.

00:42:27.760 And I have been through situations like that which discretion, I thought to myself, could be implemented, but it wasn't.

00:42:34.700 And I don't know why.

00:42:35.580 And this thing about equal treatment leads to unequal outcomes.

00:42:40.580 You're hinting at something that's been a huge discussion in Britain, which is what people talk about as two-tier policing.

00:42:48.660 Yes.

00:42:49.160 And what they're talking about is a mixture of things.

00:42:52.380 It's not just about, you know, racial disparities and things like that, but it's, you know,

00:42:57.940 the way that protesters against lockdown were treated versus BLM protesters and other things

00:43:04.020 of that nature where the public see that similar behavior results in very different treatment.

00:43:09.760 And then we hear from people like you about guidance.

00:43:13.660 We hear from other people about guidance around the treatment of different racial groups.

00:43:17.740 We see cases like the Henry Novak case, for example, where police officers arrive at a scene

00:43:24.520 immediately or effectively misled by the races of the people involved as to who's the perpetrator,

00:43:29.600 who's the victim. And overall, a lot of people now have this picture that the police have been

00:43:37.280 trained effectively at this point not to treat people equally. Is this true? Is this an exaggeration?

00:43:42.520 What are your thoughts on it?

00:43:46.820 When in one of the lectures in university,

00:43:52.420 I think it was just a little bit after BLM around that time,

00:43:57.720 2022, I think 2024, well, I'm not very, very sure.

00:44:01.120 I don't really remember.

00:44:04.820 The very same lecture that said, you know, guys, don't shoot the messenger.

00:44:08.620 Ask a question from all of us.

00:44:10.820 um guys what do you think about black lives matter and a very lovely very good-hearted girl

00:44:17.620 in our class just said well uh all lives matter

00:44:20.820 i swear to god constantine that's exactly what you said

00:44:27.000 can you say that and i'm thinking can you not see the goodness in this uh in this uh you know

00:44:34.520 a young woman's voice uh it was it was crazy it was quite of a thing who can you say that

00:44:41.260 uh and that who can you say that makes you think am i right to say that that all lives matter

00:44:51.060 which is a perfectly reasonable thing to say am i right am i maybe maybe i'm wrong maybe i need to

00:44:58.260 find within myself where maybe i have some type of a bias maybe something that i don't understand

00:45:03.140 And it makes young officers question themselves, you know, when a perfectly reasonable statement

00:45:10.140 like, oh, lives matter, it's absolutely fine.

00:45:13.020 Of course, black lives matter, all lives matter, any lives matter.

00:45:17.200 That was quite a thing to say.

00:45:21.600 And were you ever asked about, you know, what are your internal biases and things like this?

00:45:27.540 Thank you.

00:45:28.760 I am going to say something now.

00:45:31.120 They were very, very clever with this.

00:45:33.140 gave us a white piece of paper okay and they say guys this is anonymous you don't have to write

00:45:39.220 your name just write down if you think you ever had some privileges and uh i uh took that piece

00:45:47.380 of paper and i wrote that i'm bulgarian my ancestors were four and a half century under

00:45:54.180 the ottoman empire some of the savageries have been well documented from journalists from france

00:46:01.380 to russia and the united states i have more privileges and i gave it to them i don't know

00:46:07.140 what happened with that piece of paper but it was the most bizarre thing that i've ever encountered

00:46:12.520 in my life what do you think was the point of that exercise did you get a sense of what they're

00:46:16.620 trying to achieve by the conversation about blm by the conversation about privilege what what is

00:46:22.060 it that they wanted you to learn i think this is this is my opinion i might be wrong but i think

00:46:27.380 giving someone this piece of paper and asking that question is solely reading the room to what

00:46:36.260 extent some of the people here might think they might have some privileges. And if someone has

00:46:42.700 put a privilege or something like that, we need to address it. We need to train them. Maybe we

00:46:51.040 need to train people that haven't put that they have any privileges. Maybe they cannot see it

00:46:55.720 That you have a privilege and you can't recognize it, you know, that's what I think.

00:47:00.100 I think it's way more sinister than that without speaking in depth of what exactly you mean someone has a privilege.

00:47:09.780 I mean, this is a conversation that we can have here for hours on end.

00:47:14.360 It's quite extraordinary to introduce that out of the blue on a white piece of paper and just give it to frontline police officers who need to go back to the street and, you know,

00:47:23.340 tackle criminals, you know, and wrestle with them on the floor. What privileges are you talking

00:47:29.260 about? Jesus Christ. Yeah. It's so extraordinary. I guess what I'm getting at, trying to understand,

00:47:36.460 not getting at, I'm trying to understand is what the truth is about the idea that police officers

00:47:43.860 have been trained now for some years to treat different people differently. Is this something

00:47:49.740 that you see or saw, whether on the front line or in your training or anything?

00:47:54.340 And I'm open to the possibility that maybe it's exaggerated or maybe it's not true,

00:47:57.800 but I'm really trying to understand what your perspective is on it.

00:48:01.840 Well, this document was obviously introduced to some police forces.

00:48:07.100 The question which was introduced to us, that definitely was in Augusta,

00:48:11.740 the Metropolitan Police.

00:48:12.740 I think when you introduce fundamentally such incredibly difficult topics without very much explaining them, you're putting a seed of questioning.

00:48:32.980 The person starts questioning themselves, do everything I know and do actually might be biased?

00:48:41.240 it's confusing them if you suspect let's say for the sake of argument that someone may be biased

00:48:49.080 or have some inclination towards treating different people differently maybe people that

00:48:55.860 look like him just for the sake of argument you may have a training i mean the training is already

00:49:03.880 there the the police fundamentals i i like i said they're already there transparency honestly

00:49:10.260 in honesty you know impartiality you don't need to make these young people questioning themselves

00:49:17.420 all the time because eventually they will be confused and eventually when you confuse sometimes

00:49:23.740 in a situation which requires your immediate professional attention as in the case of may he

00:49:31.520 rest in peace this young man henry novak may lead to uh tragic outcomes and um that thing with i

00:49:41.000 don't think so mate makes my blood boil to begin with nobody should ever speak to a member of the

00:49:48.260 public regardless of the circumstances even if you're a suspect even if i know you're the bad

00:49:53.300 guy hey mate don't approach people like that eventually maybe you get to know someone and

00:49:59.380 speaking to them for five, 10 minutes, maybe then you can, you know, slide it in. Hey, thank you,

00:50:04.340 mate. Thank you very much. But in the beginning, as I said, you represent the office of a constable.

00:50:09.880 You need to be immaculate, in my opinion, of speaking to these people. I always approach,

00:50:14.600 even the suspects, even the suspects, you know, hey, tomorrow is a better day. I'm not here only

00:50:21.680 because of them, of the person that called me. I'm here because of you as well. Let me see,

00:50:26.120 how can i help you out i never approach anyone a mate listen to me mate that's extraordinary

00:50:31.760 i've seen that it only escalates things and um in the case of henry novak

00:50:38.360 why they haven't given why they didn't attend to him medically it's it's uh it's seriously beyond me

00:50:48.080 uh fundamentally the most important thing of policing is preserve life even if i know

00:50:58.280 this guy's a victim you know this guy he's the perpetrator you know i just i just saw him

00:51:03.960 shooting that fellow over there but that fellow is being attended already and in the process of

00:51:08.760 me detaining him i knock him out so badly that he doesn't want to come back to you know to to to

00:51:14.280 life you need to immediately attend to him no matter what you have done if if there's so if

00:51:20.600 there's deranged men on the street stabbing people and in the process of you detaining him you shot

00:51:25.780 him in the leg or you shot him in the chest you know immediately you need to attend to them as

00:51:30.080 well you need to preserve their life by all means necessary they should have stripped him and i'm

00:51:35.760 sorry to say naked immediately and see if he's bleeding not just roll him over and put in the

00:51:41.700 handcuffs. This is, you know, I can't watch this video. I watched it a few times and I can't anymore

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00:53:24.600 And I think a large part of the problem, Dimitar, is if you wanted to be a firearms officer...

00:53:30.900 And I think a lot of people don't want to be firearms officers anymore because they go, well, if I do my duty and I shoot someone who is posing either a threat to me or a threat to the public or both, I'm the one who's going to get arrested here.

00:53:48.160 Yes, Francis, absolutely.

00:53:51.740 I don't think like that.

00:53:54.140 I don't care.

00:53:55.560 and i don't care in a way of i understand that things bigger than me i truly believe that

00:54:03.580 justice for all it's bigger than the preservation of my own life even sometimes maybe my own freedom

00:54:10.320 i wanted to join arm response knowing this might be the case but i am prepared to face the

00:54:20.520 consequences and i was ready to face the consequences because i knew deep down inside of me

00:54:26.080 i will be so well prepared so well prepared i will train myself every single day not only

00:54:34.340 in my physical ability to do something my tactics my firearm tactics my communications even if it's

00:54:42.620 only in my head my knowledge of the legislations so if that time comes one day i will face it

00:54:50.880 as a man who believes has reached that level of professionalism and whatever may happen after that

00:54:57.980 i don't care because they're bigger things than me i can't just say to myself oh you know something

00:55:04.120 i don't want to do this you know i just want to have a family and you know maybe someone else can

00:55:08.180 do it. No, no, no, no, no. Francis, it's necessary. Someone has to do it. And I was

00:55:13.320 prepared to do it. But I understand that, Dimitar, but there are people who are going, look, if I do

00:55:18.480 my duty and I'm going to get punished for it, then what, then why would I do that job? Well,

00:55:25.140 look at the Chris Cabber case. Yes. Look at the, I mean, you, you're the guy who wanted to be a

00:55:30.880 firearms officer. I'm not. Francis isn't. But this is a situation where someone has committed

00:55:36.540 firearms offences, is using his car to try and ram police officers. An armed police officer

00:55:42.840 shoots him. And there's a big media hoopla about this. And the guy, the officer who shoots him

00:55:51.100 is tried for murder. Yes, he's tried for murder. I think... It's grotesque. It is grotesque.

00:55:59.480 this country

00:56:01.920 was famous once

00:56:03.880 maybe one day again for probably having

00:56:06.240 the best justice system in the world

00:56:07.900 very rigorous, very open

00:56:10.120 we all put in

00:56:12.240 the same level

00:56:13.900 and we all be

00:56:15.620 judged accordingly

00:56:17.080 so open scrutiny is very very welcomed

00:56:19.720 very very welcome

00:56:21.140 though the portrayal of what happened there

00:56:24.320 in my opinion

00:56:26.120 was indeed

00:56:26.980 actually

00:56:29.180 taking away from

00:56:30.820 an impartial, honest

00:56:33.320 process, but it was

00:56:35.460 a little bit one

00:56:37.340 way. This

00:56:39.180 officer is a murderer.

00:56:42.000 Seriously?

00:56:43.260 What do you know about

00:56:44.640 ARV training? What do you know

00:56:47.200 about receiving any information about

00:56:49.020 a vehicle which was linked

00:56:51.260 to armed defenses?

00:56:53.160 Someone tried to ram you with

00:56:55.260 their own car maybe having a gun because that's information you have maybe they're trying to run

00:57:00.000 with you with the car but maybe next thing there was a gun you don't know that you know that that

00:57:05.220 vehicle is linked with guns and not only that he's trying to run it with his car what do you think

00:57:10.620 is the best solution in that split second the police officer in question has made that decision

00:57:19.340 and i think the decision was based on self-defense and defense of others because i was walking in

00:57:29.340 north london and uh this chap came up to me and he said i love trigonometry i want i want to let

00:57:35.140 you know that i'm a police officer there's a lot of police officers that watch the show

00:57:38.560 and one of the things a lot of the people in the force believe is that neither senior leadership

00:57:46.240 nor the politicians have our backs.

00:57:50.420 There's an incentive like that, yeah,

00:57:52.140 quite strong within the Metropolitan Police.

00:57:54.320 But it's true, isn't it?

00:57:55.220 Like, I mean, they clearly don't have their backs

00:57:58.380 because if they did in this situation,

00:58:01.120 the guy would get a medal, not a murder trial, right?

00:58:04.740 They can receive an award for exemplary work, yes.

00:58:09.360 That can be the case most definitely.

00:58:12.060 Or they were acquitted, I think, quite fast.

00:58:15.000 so there's some hope still though um it should never have gone to trial never

00:58:23.000 maybe for i think i'm not defending them by all means necessary uh the people who took him to

00:58:30.360 trial maybe for the sake of uh that seeking that ultimate justice um it was um you know this officer

00:58:37.800 was put through indeed a horrific i think you know uh uh trial you know and uh that's i can

00:58:45.560 only imagine what he has been through but uh it was not that much about the trial it seemed to me

00:58:52.320 to be a witchcraft like they were trying to convince him i think that's the problem it's not

00:58:58.720 uh questioning oh let's see exactly what happened what you have done could you have done anything

00:59:04.160 better, all these questions that they're asking you, I think it was a witch hunt.

00:59:09.220 A witch hunt.

00:59:09.680 Yes, that's what I think.

00:59:10.760 That was the problem, yes.

00:59:12.300 But this is kind of what I'm getting at, is you say, you know, in the interest of absolute

00:59:17.860 justice, but as you know better than I, justice is a nuanced thing.

00:59:23.660 There are different people.

00:59:24.560 If you hound an armed police officer in the way that he was hounded, both in the media,

00:59:30.120 by politicians, by activists, and you put him on trial for murder when he's clearly not only done

00:59:34.940 the right thing, but done the courageous thing in very difficult circumstances, that's not justice,

00:59:40.960 that's injustice. And this is something that a lot of people feel has now happened in the country

00:59:45.980 where the rights, I'm using inverted commas for people listening, of perpetrators of crime,

00:59:52.160 which is what Chris Cabber was, he was a criminal, are placed far and above the interests of the

00:59:58.900 ordinary person who is the victim of those crimes? Or, in this case, of the police officer whose job

01:00:04.700 it is to stop criminals like Chris Carver doing what they do? I think to some extent, there might

01:00:11.360 be some ideologues within the system, the police, the courts, which indeed may perpetuate some

01:00:25.280 ideologies, and therefore affect the process of justice.

01:00:35.360 Now, why we have people like that in such positions of power is beyond me.

01:00:44.720 I don't know how they're selected.

01:00:46.640 I don't know how they think.

01:00:49.680 i don't know if they can't see for themselves that uh this is actually not transparent i say

01:00:56.900 that word quite quite often this actually is leaning one way rather the other uh let's not

01:01:03.540 forget that the courts are there for one thing and one thing only to be absolutely honest and clear

01:01:12.060 about the picture their job is not to try to find someone guilty or not guilty but to find out what

01:01:20.320 is the truth and you here come very very correct unfortunately i think we're living in a situation

01:01:28.040 in a world in which truth can be interpreted very differently according to the people you know

01:01:36.160 people in power. And that worries me a lot, because if we're going to have an ideologue

01:01:43.520 making decisions, what is wrong and what is right, then we're on a very, very slippery slope.

01:01:50.620 And I think we're very, very close to a point of no return, with some insanities going on in

01:01:56.140 London and in England to begin with. Because we're talking about ideologues setting policy.

01:02:01.600 Yes. I mean, there's a lot of problems with that. But one of the major problems is ideologues,

01:02:06.160 see the world through their lens it's an ideology and with policing you can't have ideology you have

01:02:14.180 to have reality absolutely yes yes correct so you look at something like stop and search and people

01:02:20.480 are going oh we need to get rid of stop and search now again i've never policed a day in my life but

01:02:26.140 to me that seems lunacy which is particularly it is lunacy it is absolutely crazy why is it lunacy

01:02:33.160 I would tell you, stop and search is very, very controversial because according to statistics, black kids maybe stopped a little bit more than, you know, anyone else.

01:02:51.040 Okay.

01:02:52.600 I've done a few stop and searches, and I will tell you something.

01:02:57.320 Specifically when I was in S&T, Safer Neighborhoods team.

01:03:01.460 most of the stop and search

01:03:03.820 searches were in

01:03:05.880 relation to drugs you know if you

01:03:07.940 can find some drugs on them you know drug paraphernalia

01:03:10.160 because these kids they go into

01:03:12.080 inside properties

01:03:13.660 you know on the staircase and they smoke weed

01:03:15.880 and they listen to loud music

01:03:17.800 well guess who is

01:03:20.040 calling us there

01:03:21.040 it's the black lady next door

01:03:23.300 who had enough of them

01:03:25.040 guess who called us again

01:03:27.300 the black gentleman who told me

01:03:29.060 I can't deal with these kids anymore

01:03:31.260 Not only they're getting, you know, high in front of my apartment on the staircase.

01:03:37.440 Last time, one of them pissed in an elevator.

01:03:40.320 The people who are calling me to do the stop and search and go and attend, most of the time, were black themselves.

01:03:47.540 There were black, lovely people living in these buildings who had enough of kids running up and down, smoking weed and causing havoc.

01:03:55.420 You know, stealing your bikes and like this guy said, you know, pissing in the elevator.

01:04:00.080 So, stop and search is not exactly as people think. Most of the time, it's other black folks calling on these kids. Some of the stop and searches in Soho, for example. Soho is very famous for getting your phone snatched, your watch snatched.

01:04:22.980 if um there's a hot crime spot and um you are dressed in a you know uh black uh nike uh

01:04:38.600 you know track suit with a mask on of course that's not enough for anyone to stop and search

01:04:44.100 maybe just the way you want to dress you know but uh when um you're running away from the police

01:04:51.580 and you try to hide yourself away from the police.

01:04:53.900 And before that, there was an intelligence sources

01:04:56.420 described someone like you feeding that description

01:04:59.660 of just robbed the phone 20 minutes ago.

01:05:03.720 You might be indeed get stopped and searched,

01:05:06.160 not because you might be guilty,

01:05:08.720 but you may feed very, very well

01:05:10.680 the description of that person

01:05:13.400 found in that exact location

01:05:16.320 in which 20 minutes ago,

01:05:19.280 someone got their phone snatched.

01:05:20.880 you know and you really really look like that that person if you have nothing to hide

01:05:26.880 that's absolutely fine you can stop and search me you know if you if you got a description of

01:05:31.540 eastern european guy you know looking like me snatching phones you know i want to be stopped

01:05:35.720 and searched as soon as possible because i want to eliminate myself i want the bad guy actually

01:05:39.760 to be found so stop and search most of the time in my opinion looking at my colleagues as well

01:05:45.400 it's very very well researched it's not done for the sake of stopping and searching people

01:05:50.240 that is not true that is not true actually the stop and searches which have been conducted

01:05:55.300 are very very professional you know very courteous they take their time they explain everything in

01:06:01.480 detail they're willing to give you a record of the stop and search if you think it was not right

01:06:07.680 for you to go and you know and say you know i don't think that was right you know i don't think

01:06:11.340 that officer stopped me for the right reason. And that never happens because most of the time,

01:06:16.140 the intelligence sources are quite spot on. And it's not just crimes, it's also preventing

01:06:22.960 crimes. Yes. But if you've got the report that somebody is carrying a knife, you could be saving

01:06:28.320 someone's life. Absolutely, yes. And knives are, how can I put it, much more prevalent than people

01:06:40.180 think a lot of people carry knives uh however they tend to hide them sometimes near them if

01:06:48.700 they're in a particular area they might not carry the knife with them all the time but uh if another

01:06:54.860 gang comes uh they know where the knife is and they can run and get it so uh a lot of people

01:07:01.180 might be found not carrying a knife but they might have knives somewhere close to them or within some

01:07:09.600 of their friends which haven't been uh stopped and searched knives uh it's it's an epidemic it's

01:07:15.120 it's a really epidemic and it's extremely dangerous yes i agree with you uh and they

01:07:18.920 have ways around it you know uh uh they they know what to do they really really do people who

01:07:23.320 actually carry knives uh they're quite well educated on the topic if that makes sense they

01:07:28.060 really do know what what does that mean dimitar well like i said they might hide the knife

01:07:32.400 they might hide the drugs uh they might not have it on them so um let's say um 20 minutes ago you

01:07:40.020 saw someone matching my description you know pulling you know having a knife you know just

01:07:44.400 putting a knife in my in my in my pocket okay and um however in this 20 minutes that until the

01:07:50.940 police come and found me you know i'm in my area you know and i'm let's say i'm doing something

01:07:55.500 dodgy there you know but i know you know i don't want to carry the knife with me you know i'm going

01:08:00.040 to be here let's say for the next half an hour i might leave the knife somewhere close by and on

01:08:05.860 my way out of this area i can just pick it up with me so you have that information you come you stop

01:08:12.480 and search me but the knife is not on me because i've stashed it somewhere you know that's it

01:08:16.920 and now you've committed a point uh whatever the term would be a pointless or a fruitless or a

01:08:22.840 baseless stop and search and you are now yeah negative negative yeah it's negative yeah and

01:08:28.980 And why is there an epidemic of knife crime in London?

01:08:32.020 Because of how volatile the city is.

01:08:36.080 I will give you an example, which I think fits the characteristics of London quite well.

01:08:42.600 I'm from Eastern Europe.

01:08:45.740 I said that to all my friends, Eastern European friends across the seas, my English friends,

01:08:51.480 pick any Eastern European country, pick any city in any Eastern European country, any

01:08:57.920 street any day anytime i will walk there on my own no worries i would never ever do the same in

01:09:08.000 london in some areas never i'm gonna get jumped i i won't i won't i i am i am genuinely scared i'll

01:09:15.740 do that everywhere else in eastern europe lovely with with pleasure here i won't do the same thing

01:09:20.900 i go back home sometimes and i uh say to you know people in in bulgaria it's a probably eastern

01:09:27.120 European country, how dangerous London is. And they look at me in disbelief, in absolute disbelief.

01:09:35.300 I said, well, yeah, oh, yeah, fights, your watch gone, people getting stopped almost on daily

01:09:42.060 basis. I think I'm not very, very sure. 40% of all mobile snatches in continental Europe, I think,

01:09:51.020 are conducted in London. I'm not very, very, very sure, but it's something extraordinary like that.

01:09:55.580 Dean, can you check that with Venice AI?

01:09:57.600 It's what we use to fact-check things while we're continuing the conversation.

01:10:01.260 Yeah, please, please. I'm interested.

01:10:03.440 Is it true that 40% of phone snatching in Europe is in London?

01:10:06.720 Just check that.

01:10:07.420 Thank you.

01:10:09.320 And do you put that down to the problems of policing that you told us about,

01:10:13.700 which is effectively if you don't have enough police,

01:10:15.720 if you're losing good police officers,

01:10:17.740 if the quality of the police officers decline,

01:10:19.760 and we know under Theresa May's government,

01:10:22.260 there were slashes to, or when she was Home Secretary rather, there was huge budget slashes

01:10:27.840 and therefore you couldn't, you lost tens, I think over 10,000 police officers. Is the reason

01:10:33.620 London has become less safe and more, there's more crime because there's not enough good police

01:10:38.300 officers? I think it's partially because of that. And what else? Apathy. People don't care. People

01:10:47.640 think that they can get away with everything the social cohesion of so-called diversities

01:10:55.240 our strength in london in my opinion is a fairy tale i have never seen a city so beautiful with

01:11:03.480 so much potential and yet so divided i i am i am really really shocked to see that i think

01:11:11.240 And I think a lot of these young kids, these gangs, they don't care. They have absolutely no connection to anyone and anything but the gangster lifestyle because it seems so easy to get away with it. And yes, it seems so easy to get away with it because, like you said, you know, there's not enough police officers.

01:11:34.780 The second part is even there are some police officers, like Francis said, they look at them and they're thinking probably they look like, you know, a sack of potatoes in uniform.

01:11:47.420 I will draw them officer.

01:11:48.760 They try to detain me, push them over and get away with it.

01:11:51.800 I think all those factors contribute to that.

01:11:55.880 You know, it's interesting you say that you guys were talking about this.

01:11:58.300 I saw I was scrolling my Twitter yesterday.

01:12:01.920 i saw this video of uh a guy promote posted this video saying oh the police in in london don't

01:12:10.020 out and and it's uh police it's guys on bikes snatching phones and then a police officer

01:12:15.800 comes in and just smashes them off the bike or they tackle them off the bike or they ram them

01:12:20.660 not the ram them with the car but they sort of enclose them and i was like oh wow this is oh

01:12:25.840 have they changed policy that's an ai i watched as well yesterday yeah yeah i was like oh this

01:12:31.600 is what we want oh oh okay yeah that was an air yes yes it is it is yeah sort of tells the full

01:12:37.680 story yeah it is it is it is indeed exactly that it's uh apathy they they don't care um police are

01:12:44.640 not there to begin with they don't look respectful enough to a police officer should be especially

01:12:51.520 frontline police officers should be to some extent possessing authority so when i see two

01:12:57.600 police officers coming from a police car i want to think for myself you know something man i rather

01:13:02.500 i rather do you know what i gotta do i don't want to mess with i don't want to mess with this guy

01:13:07.020 exactly i don't want to get you know detained by these officers you know it's not going to be and

01:13:11.480 they obviously seems like they're going to detain me you know maybe i should do something else with

01:13:15.720 my life uh however these officers are getting less and less and far between and that's uh a tragedy

01:13:24.720 and the taxpayers are paying for that dean do you were you able to look it up so the uk as a whole

01:13:29.940 accounts about 40 okay so the uk as a whole is 40 of all phone snatching in europe that's uh i mean

01:13:38.220 that's insane that's that's that's crazy oh uh constantine um it's it's it is beyond belief how

01:13:44.680 but it is.

01:13:45.660 Can I ask a question?

01:13:46.700 Because this really,

01:13:48.020 like, this is gonna,

01:13:49.200 this, as a Londoner,

01:13:50.560 this boils my urine.

01:13:52.880 You see these kids.

01:13:54.620 You see them nicking phones.

01:13:56.420 Yes.

01:13:56.780 You see them cycling around.

01:13:59.220 I don't see a police officer.

01:14:01.060 I'm like, why don't you arrest this kid?

01:14:03.520 I mean, it's not exactly

01:14:04.900 a difficult crime to solve.

01:14:07.320 They don't have enough people, Francis.

01:14:09.780 Like I said,

01:14:10.780 specifically Westminster,

01:14:13.720 which i used to work you go from call to call to call to call and to some extent if you're

01:14:20.760 experienced police officer and you are let's say on oxford street and very very quickly need to go

01:14:26.080 to i don't know um just region street it's not that far away you know somebody snatched your

01:14:33.040 phone let's let's be very very precise i snatched your phone until the victim finds someone to call

01:14:40.580 the police until the police ask you a few questions until a police unit is dispatched

01:14:48.420 to come and see you the fellow on a bike it's in lambeth in that electric bike you know he's in

01:14:55.520 lambeth he's all and a lot of police officers they know that yes of course they're gonna put

01:14:59.520 the blue lights on and they're gonna try to come and speak to the victim as soon as possible

01:15:04.140 that's absolutely fine but deep down they know the whole process until they get dispatched until

01:15:11.080 they come and see you especially now oxford street will be uh you know made for pedestrians alone

01:15:16.800 is that going to be a crime heaven that is going to be something else your phone is gone so they

01:15:21.580 know that they know that but i will say something a little bit controversial snatching phones

01:15:28.600 it just a little part of actually what is going on in london the robberies uh something else

01:15:35.800 uh people being threatened with knives uh beaten in front of their wives and partners

01:15:42.000 you know um like few videos like that on social media getting their you know watches away from

01:15:48.160 them the the violence is escalating quite a lot a lot of people are not afraid to stand

01:15:54.220 in front of police officer and abuse them sometimes even become physical with police

01:16:02.120 officers and i think i think that's very very very telling very very very telling i have a

01:16:09.400 colleague who in one of these protests which used to happen every saturday got dragged in

01:16:16.200 in the crowds i think they stole her helmet i think they stole her butt button and i think

01:16:22.540 they broke her hip i'm not very very sure if she had a broken hip or not and then they

01:16:26.980 they spat her off yeah i mean uh it's uh it's it's it's uh it's really really bad it's really

01:16:33.360 really bad if something similar happens to 2011 in london i don't think uh we'll be able to cope

01:16:40.460 you're talking about the riots yes yes yeah yeah yeah tim it's been an absolute pleasure having

01:16:45.040 you on thank you we're going to go to questions from our supporters i really thank you for coming

01:16:49.320 on. I think it's really important for people like you to come forward to tell your story

01:16:52.520 and to explain to people at the normal level of the person, the frontline police officer,

01:16:59.060 and this will be true in the NHS, it'll be true in prison service in many different areas,

01:17:03.960 what's actually going on. Because politicians talk about politics and media people talk about

01:17:08.340 this at a political and media level. But just to hear your story from your experiences has been

01:17:14.220 really valuable. So thank you for coming on. Before we get to questions from our supporters,

01:17:18.000 Because what's the one thing we're not talking about that we really should be?

01:17:21.460 Before Dimitar answers the final question at the end of the interview,

01:17:24.980 make sure to head over to triggerpod.co.uk where you'll be able to see this.

01:17:30.980 What does the public most misunderstand about being a police officer?

01:17:36.380 Why is there two-tier policing?

01:17:39.060 Is it now time for all police officers to be armed with guns?

01:17:43.600 Because what's the one thing we're not talking about that we really should be?

01:17:48.000 The very painful topic of introducing higher standards

01:17:54.880 when it comes to recruitment.

01:17:58.440 The very topic of few, I have to say it,

01:18:09.380 I think to some extent the from line has been quite saturated

01:18:16.340 by female officers which are absolutely wonderful in what they do but when it comes to volatility

01:18:27.180 and being able to objectively restrain someone I think they are not prepared to such level of

01:18:39.680 violence and they need a lot of backup sometimes and because they need backup most of the times

01:18:46.920 they're taking away a unit that might be dealing with someone else if we had more officers that's

01:18:53.580 absolutely fine i want and i wish everyone the best i want everyone to expanding their work but

01:18:59.700 we are at such stage of uh low numbers that if we don't address the quality of policing

01:19:09.340 we might be indeed

01:19:13.520 in the next few years

01:19:15.920 seeing the total collapse

01:19:18.840 of the police

01:19:19.900 in my opinion

01:19:21.620 and what do you think the answer to that is

01:19:24.600 because when we had Chris Donaldson

01:19:26.580 who's a former police officer himself

01:19:28.620 and in fact he worked his way up

01:19:30.960 I think

01:19:31.280 he mentioned that

01:19:33.060 we talked about the female

01:19:36.460 aspect of this

01:19:37.440 that you bring up the physical strength

01:19:38.860 of being able to deal with violence.

01:19:41.220 And what he said is,

01:19:42.340 the thing is there's a flip side to this,

01:19:44.100 which is where female officers

01:19:45.260 can quite often diffuse the situation

01:19:47.140 in a way that men are less likely to do,

01:19:49.740 which I suspect is probably partly true.

01:19:52.080 So is it about having the right mix

01:19:53.860 or partnering people in the right way

01:19:56.640 or having more people?

01:19:58.060 Or do you think it's just a question

01:20:00.240 of people being put into positions

01:20:02.100 for which they're not suitable?

01:20:04.160 I think DEI,

01:20:07.500 has introduced a few of these policies that, you know, we need a certain amount of that type of

01:20:15.320 people, certain amount of this type of people, which is absolutely crazy. That's insane, because

01:20:18.640 the moment you say, I need more Bulgarians, you know, give myself into example, you are taking

01:20:23.880 away the opportunity of someone else that might be much better suited for that position. And that's

01:20:28.800 true. And I disagree, actually, with that, that they're better in defusing situations.

01:20:35.340 the fusing situation needs courtesy and professionalism that's the only thing that

01:20:42.600 it needs it doesn't matter where it comes from as long as the other person can see that is genuine

01:20:49.900 regardless if it comes from me or you or some other lady it truly truly doesn't matter it has

01:20:58.800 to be sincere courtesy is something that you cannot fake discretion is something that you

01:21:04.740 cannot fake. Maybe some female officers may possess that more naturally. But then again,

01:21:13.300 what makes a person naturally more courteous? We can't pick and choose when it comes to the

01:21:22.220 reality of frontline policing. I'd rather have someone who is more physically capable of doing

01:21:27.760 things and then work on their courtesy and discretion than someone that has only courtesy

01:21:36.540 and discretion but it's not working on the physical ability to do something because

01:21:40.960 most criminals really don't much care how courteous you are especially if they're guilty

01:21:50.560 they want to get away they want to get away of course that doesn't mean you have to approach

01:21:54.300 Hey, mate. But they really, really don't care. They're thinking, how I'm going to get out of this? What I'm going to do? What I'm going to say? You know, it's a whole avalanche in their head. So to some extent, they might be right, but I wouldn't myself use that as a theory to just put more courteous people, regardless of their sex.

01:22:16.820 When we saw, I mean, with the Manchester airport confrontation, I mean, you feel sorry for the female police officers involved in that situation who were badly injured.

01:22:29.140 But as you just said earlier, in an ideal situation, those guys who punched police officers really should have been very hesitant to do so because of the stature and the presence of those police officers.

01:22:42.700 and they would ideally be thinking, I don't want to punch these people because that's going to end

01:22:47.340 very badly for me. Yes, absolutely. And clearly that deterrent wasn't there, which is what you're

01:22:51.820 saying. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. And to some extent, I actually think it might be invitation.

01:22:57.580 Of course. And I think we should address something else here as well, which again may sound

01:23:05.020 controversial but um uh we live in a very very multicultural society and i think perhaps we have

01:23:19.180 to take into consideration that some cultural upbringing may have different views on women

01:23:28.540 yeah i think we might yeah yes that that is very very very important and um oh i see even more what

01:23:37.540 you're saying so when it comes to policing the way somebody from a certain background might react to

01:23:43.280 a female police officer is different yes absolutely i've seen that many many times i've seen that many

01:23:48.500 many times i've been i have done very many self-exits self-exit is um when someone is very

01:23:55.360 very angry and you know you need to detain them inside the cell and you know there's a particular

01:24:01.240 way how you get away from them and I've seen people being angry being handled by female police

01:24:11.020 officers quite often and they come from most of the time particular backgrounds in North Africa

01:24:24.660 and Southeast Asia

01:24:26.200 most of the time

01:24:27.760 and I've experienced

01:24:30.600 that myself. I've experienced

01:24:32.460 people telling me, why are we the English?

01:24:35.180 You're like us, you're a foreigner,

01:24:36.620 you're one of us.

01:24:38.240 Quite a few times. Most of the times they think I'm Russian

01:24:40.540 because of my family name.

01:24:42.140 Yes, and

01:24:43.440 they have been told me,

01:24:46.400 why are we the English?

01:24:48.320 They never say the British.

01:24:50.340 They say the English.

01:24:52.400 We think we are British.

01:24:54.660 They think this is England.

01:24:57.620 It's quite interesting that we want to achieve something which is, you know,

01:25:04.360 under the United Kingdom, we're all British, but they don't see the locals as British.

01:25:09.660 They see them as English.

01:25:10.660 And to some extent, I think the animosity is quite open.

01:25:14.120 And I'm very, very, very sorry to say that, but I have experienced that myself.

01:25:18.400 I have seen it.

01:25:19.100 I've heard it many, many times.

01:25:20.460 Oh, why are you helping them?

01:25:21.920 You know, why join the police?

01:25:22.960 Are you crazy?

01:25:23.460 stuff like that you know from uh quite a few quite a few people and it's also as well let's be honest

01:25:30.180 about that in this country you're taught never to hit a woman now some people do because they're

01:25:36.560 not very nice people they're not good people morally but that is what you're taught in this

01:25:40.940 country there are other cultures they don't really have an issue with it francis um

01:25:45.700 the insanity

01:25:49.040 of

01:25:51.040 this is my opinion again

01:25:53.720 you know I think it's an insanity

01:25:55.980 what we have found

01:25:57.800 ourselves to be in

01:25:58.920 let me paint a picture

01:26:01.960 people in suits

01:26:03.760 paid by taxpayers money

01:26:05.880 going to the home office

01:26:07.640 okay

01:26:08.940 for months

01:26:10.640 thinking about what we are

01:26:13.860 going to do

01:26:14.560 and came out with leaflets saying you need the other person to say yes before you have sex don't

01:26:23.640 have sex with someone who is asleep for the love of god are we living in a age of total delusion

01:26:30.660 yes this is this is crazy you know i i said that to my sister and she thinks i am i am joking you

01:26:38.860 You know, people outside of Britain think you people are totally nuts.

01:26:46.000 And I mean that because I feel sorry for this country that has given so much to the world.

01:26:50.280 And it doesn't really matter in my case where I have come from.

01:26:53.960 Because where you come from, yes, indeed, matters a lot.

01:26:56.500 But essentially, what matters is your ideas, what you believe in, how you want to live your life.

01:27:02.640 That's why I have chosen to live in Britain.

01:27:04.820 I don't consider myself British.

01:27:06.260 Maybe one day if I marry a British lady and we have a kid, maybe that kid will be British, but not me.

01:27:11.880 I consider myself as a subject of this great place, and I want to help out.

01:27:17.260 But I'm afraid to say that I think I'm in the minority.

01:27:21.180 There's a lot of people who don't think that way whatsoever, are openly hostile.

01:27:27.120 And for the United Kingdom government to approve that, I think, tells you everything you need to know of where we are heading.

01:27:37.100 Absolutely. Dimitar, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

01:27:41.300 Make sure to head over to our substat where you get to ask Dimitar your questions.

01:27:48.480 He says, I believe broken windows here is one of the best forms of crime prevention in the community.

01:27:53.200 Why is low-level crime not cracked down on very hard so that you prevent crime escalating as Lucina Lange?

TRIGGERnometry - September 02, 2026

Police Whistleblower：＂I Quit to Share the Truth＂

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TRIGGERnometry - September 02, 2026

Police Whistleblower： ＂I Quit to Share the Truth＂

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Police Whistleblower：＂I Quit to Share the Truth＂