TRIGGERnometry - “The Internet is Not Reality”

00:00:00.960 Do you think we're coming to the end of cancel culture now?

00:00:04.000 No, I've been hearing about this pendulum swing for about 10 years now.

00:00:08.640 I've gotten death threats for 20 years.

00:00:10.400 They're dumb. They thought the best way to get back at me is to call comedy clubs

00:00:13.440 and tell a woman who's working the door that they're going to shoot her.

00:00:16.880 It's all online talk.

00:00:18.800 No one's actively threatening anyone and is going to do anything about it.

00:00:23.040 I had one threat I saw that goes,

00:00:24.560 Step foot in North Carolina, I'll fucking kick your ass.

00:00:26.800 And then an hour later, he goes, OK, I do see you in North Carolina right now.

00:00:30.000 But if you come to Greensboro, North Carolina, I will kick your ass.

00:00:32.720 It's like, you already took a shot, bro.

00:00:35.040 Their pain is funny.

00:00:36.560 Their tears are sweet.

00:00:38.560 Their death threats are my standing ovation.

00:00:43.280 Aaron Shafir, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:44.880 Thanks, buddy.

00:00:45.680 It's great to have you on.

00:00:46.480 Thanks, Constantine.

00:00:48.320 He said that with a lot of meaning.

00:00:49.680 It's just my name, Aaron.

00:00:51.520 I'm never going to pronounce that way or spelled.

00:00:53.680 No, no, you said it right.

00:00:54.880 So welcome to the show.

00:00:55.760 Thanks a lot.

00:00:57.120 It's been a while.

00:00:57.920 It has been a while.

00:00:59.120 Ari, we're really looking forward to having you on the show.

00:01:05.200 The question that I wanted to ask you, Ari, is as somebody who's gone through their own

00:01:11.360 cancellation journey, do you think we're coming to the end of cancel culture now?

00:01:15.920 No, but you've got to define cancel culture now.

00:01:18.960 It's so varied.

00:01:20.240 It's like the word Nazi.

00:01:21.520 It's like people are talking about two different things.

00:01:23.280 And so then no one's ever communicating.

00:01:25.760 Okay, that's a good point.

00:01:26.800 So I would say cancel culture for me is people losing their careers, their livelihoods, being

00:01:32.080 denied opportunities, progression because of the jokes they make or the opinions that they have.

00:01:37.120 Oh, no, we're still hard in that.

00:01:41.680 That's still happening.

00:01:42.560 You don't think we're over that?

00:01:44.480 No, I've been hearing about this pendulum swing for about 10 years now.

00:01:48.640 Yeah.

00:01:48.960 It's just like some people get over it and new people are like, well, that's not right.

00:01:52.720 And now like the right wing seems to go, well, oh, so it was okay when you do this, but this guy's allowed.

00:01:56.640 And you're like, you're just doing the same shit.

00:01:58.320 You're also just tattletailing.

00:02:00.080 Right.

00:02:00.560 Yeah.

00:02:00.720 They're all just waiting to be a bunch of fucking cunt tattletales.

00:02:04.560 It's just like, it's lame, but that's fine.

00:02:06.960 I love it.

00:02:07.920 Especially for jokes.

00:02:08.800 It's just like, look how mad you are.

00:02:12.720 So you actually love it.

00:02:14.080 Oh, yeah.

00:02:15.120 We're here at the Comedy Cellar, right?

00:02:16.880 So you're on this stage, 144 seats here and 142 having a great time.

00:02:23.200 And one guy is just hoping his girlfriend holds it together and he's not concentrating and she

00:02:29.280 doesn't hold it together.

00:02:30.640 And she's just so mad because she's had her third drink and she can't handle it because women are dumb.

00:02:36.160 And so she starts yelling and she gets up and she goes, this is terrible.

00:02:40.800 How can you say things like that?

00:02:42.240 And she's like, he doesn't mean it.

00:02:43.360 I heard what he said.

00:02:44.480 I'm literal.

00:02:45.760 And then they leave.

00:02:46.640 And we all, 142 of us, have a great time.

00:02:50.880 So I don't know.

00:02:51.520 I enjoy it.

00:02:52.400 It's funny.

00:02:52.880 I can see why you like it, Harry.

00:02:54.160 Yeah.

00:02:54.480 So your personal experience was you made the joke about Kobe Bryant.

00:02:58.080 Yeah.

00:02:58.480 The day that he died.

00:02:59.600 Yeah.

00:03:00.000 Yeah.

00:03:00.320 The hour.

00:03:02.000 The hour that he died.

00:03:03.120 Yeah.

00:03:03.600 And it's just one of the many.

00:03:06.080 One of the many.

00:03:06.880 Yeah.

00:03:06.960 But that's the one that people really came after you for.

00:03:09.360 There was a New York Times piece.

00:03:10.800 One of the latest ones.

00:03:11.680 Yeah.

00:03:11.840 Yeah.

00:03:12.400 Yeah.

00:03:12.640 They've come out to be a bunch.

00:03:13.760 Oh, they have?

00:03:14.320 Yeah.

00:03:14.640 What else did you say?

00:03:15.600 There was jokes in a special.

00:03:18.960 Everyone got mad.

00:03:19.680 That was the end of my career.

00:03:21.040 Um, I did this series of videos called The Amazing Racist.

00:03:24.400 Those got found out.

00:03:25.280 That was the end of my career.

00:03:27.200 Um, uh, uh, I made an Arab joke a long time ago.

00:03:33.040 That was the end of my career.

00:03:34.400 I had lots of experience with this.

00:03:36.320 This wasn't the first time.

00:03:37.360 This was the first time, you know, like a broader realm.

00:03:41.120 But I, I, I've had this, I've gotten death threats for 20 years.

00:03:44.320 And you like got dropped by your agent from what I understand?

00:03:46.960 No.

00:03:47.520 No, you didn't?

00:03:48.080 No, that was just bad reporting.

00:03:49.360 Okay.

00:03:49.760 All right.

00:03:50.080 So what happened?

00:03:50.880 My agent called me.

00:03:51.600 He was like, what, what, where are they getting this from?

00:03:53.360 I'm like, I don't know.

00:03:54.880 What do you mean I'm dropping?

00:03:56.080 I don't know.

00:03:56.480 Because where'd they get it?

00:03:57.600 I'm like, I don't know.

00:03:58.480 It's just shitty reporting.

00:03:59.520 Interesting.

00:04:00.080 Yeah.

00:04:00.480 Yeah.

00:04:01.040 So did you have any real world repercussions from that?

00:04:04.160 Yeah.

00:04:04.320 My production company, uh, well, they were threatening, what's real world?

00:04:10.240 They were threatening a lot of women.

00:04:12.560 But I don't know.

00:04:13.200 That's just the threatening women.

00:04:14.560 Why?

00:04:15.440 For a joke you made?

00:04:16.240 They're dumb.

00:04:16.640 Laker fans are dumb.

00:04:19.520 They're dumb.

00:04:20.000 They thought the best way to get back at me is to call comedy clubs and tell a woman who's

00:04:23.680 working the door that they're going to shoot her.

00:04:26.880 They're dumb.

00:04:27.600 Um, yeah, they thought that's the best revenge, I guess.

00:04:31.440 I don't know.

00:04:32.720 But what was it like going through that?

00:04:35.200 Because obviously you're very jovial now.

00:04:36.880 You should bring the women in and ask them.

00:04:38.320 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:04:39.440 They're doing more than me.

00:04:40.480 Harry seems to have got off just fine.

00:04:42.480 Yeah.

00:04:42.720 People are like, you gotta be scared.

00:04:43.680 I'm like, no, I don't.

00:04:44.560 I'm outside the college to stand on my phone by myself.

00:04:46.880 People are like, guys, it's all online talk.

00:04:50.000 It's just gamer talk.

00:04:51.520 It's just gamer talk.

00:04:53.440 That's all it's ever been.

00:04:54.560 It's just gamer talk.

00:04:55.520 No one's actively threatening anyone and is going to do anything about it.

00:04:59.920 I had one thread I saw go step foot in North Carolina.

00:05:02.320 I'll fucking kick your ass.

00:05:03.680 And then an hour later goes, OK, I do see you're in North Carolina right now.

00:05:06.880 But if you come to Greensboro, North Carolina, I will kick your ass.

00:05:09.520 It's like you already took your shot, bro.

00:05:11.840 They're just dorks.

00:05:12.640 Other people didn't know.

00:05:13.680 So my production company was like, hey, our insurance might go up.

00:05:17.360 We got to like we can't do your special now.

00:05:19.680 And they took their insurance with them.

00:05:21.200 So I had to delay my special.

00:05:22.400 And then COVID hit and I delayed it longer.

00:05:24.000 But it was way better because of that.

00:05:25.200 So.

00:05:26.480 But I guess as well, these these dorks and I do agree broadly.

00:05:30.960 Here's another real.

00:05:32.560 Sorry, go ahead.

00:05:33.040 No, no, you go.

00:05:34.000 I got a lot of very nice texts and calls from the comedy community saying like,

00:05:39.120 oh, my God, it was so funny.

00:05:40.240 It's so funny that they're reacting like this.

00:05:41.920 I thought it was hilarious, just really supportive.

00:05:45.040 It showed how supportive a comedy world we're living in.

00:05:48.640 A few fucking knuckleheads, but mostly people were like super nice.

00:05:53.200 It was like, oh, yeah, cool.

00:05:54.160 I have friends.

00:05:56.000 But I guess the the one aspect that these people do have power is because there are

00:06:02.320 people within the mainstream comedy industry, for want of a better term of putting it,

00:06:06.160 who are who don't have, shall we just say in a polite way, a lot of backbone.

00:06:10.960 So they see this nonsense.

00:06:12.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:13.600 Yeah.

00:06:13.680 My producer who I gave a start to was like, hey, we got to pull up.

00:06:16.080 I'm like, no, no, you know, don't you don't do that.

00:06:17.760 Take your name off or something.

00:06:18.720 Don't pull your insurance off this.

00:06:20.080 What are you doing?

00:06:21.600 It's 10 days out.

00:06:22.400 You can't do that.

00:06:22.960 The guys, it'll go away.

00:06:23.840 Just don't react.

00:06:25.040 And they're like, well, I don't know.

00:06:26.320 Oh, yeah.

00:06:26.720 The L.A. scene, especially.

00:06:28.320 L.A. is the just the most garbage people.

00:06:31.280 I don't know how much time you spent out there.

00:06:32.560 Some.

00:06:33.040 No backbone.

00:06:33.680 I was there for three days.

00:06:34.720 I was and I'm not religious.

00:06:36.000 I was like, these people need God.

00:06:37.760 Yeah.

00:06:38.240 And they just can't wait to sell out a friend to protect an idea of their place in the world.

00:06:44.320 The way they react to Crystalia, Brian Callen, anyone who gets into any trouble.

00:06:49.440 They're just like sacrifice.

00:06:51.120 I got to save myself.

00:06:52.000 No one's even coming after them.

00:06:53.760 You know, they're like people asking about like who strangers are asking?

00:06:56.320 What are you talking about?

00:06:57.280 Yeah, those guys even sell out to each other.

00:07:00.880 It's crazy.

00:07:01.760 It's crazy.

00:07:02.480 And immediately not just like, hey, fuck off.

00:07:04.320 That's my friend.

00:07:05.440 I saw Tarantino talk about Harvey Weinstein, who's a lot less opinion based.

00:07:10.400 What he, you know, what he did either.

00:07:12.400 Yeah.

00:07:13.120 It wasn't a joke.

00:07:14.240 Yeah.

00:07:14.560 It wasn't like, well, I could see it was either he did it or he didn't do it.

00:07:17.440 That's the only argument.

00:07:18.400 Right.

00:07:19.600 And Tarantino, Quentin Tarantino, who's, you know, got a start from him and known the guy

00:07:24.160 for a long time.

00:07:25.040 They were like, you need to speak on this.

00:07:26.400 And he said, hey guys, he was at my wedding or I was at his or one or the other.

00:07:30.560 And he goes, I've known him for 25 years.

00:07:32.480 You got to let my, let me get my thoughts together on this.

00:07:35.440 I'm not, I'm not just going to like, in the first day of hearing about this, cut somebody

00:07:39.920 out without even calling them.

00:07:42.240 That's what I saw in LA.

00:07:43.360 People without even calling their friend, because they're too busy getting plastic surgery.

00:07:47.200 It was like, let me sell them out real quick.

00:07:48.720 Instead of going, hey, fuck you.

00:07:50.320 No, he didn't do that.

00:07:52.400 It's an easy one to do.

00:07:53.360 And if you're found out wrong, you just go, okay, well, I found out more.

00:07:56.000 But they're so worried.

00:07:58.080 Yeah.

00:07:58.400 LA's always been that.

00:07:59.440 Networking people over talent.

00:08:01.360 Their chief skill is talking to the right person, looking over your shoulder.

00:08:05.120 Who else is here?

00:08:06.320 That's, that's, that's what LA, when I, when Rogan was like, LA sucks.

00:08:10.080 I'm leaving.

00:08:10.560 I was like, you just figuring that out.

00:08:12.640 Oh, just because of COVID?

00:08:14.400 Bro, it's been a vapid city for a long time.

00:08:18.560 He's known it.

00:08:19.840 He told me this a long time ago.

00:08:20.960 He goes, everyone here is three auditions away from becoming a star.

00:08:23.360 So they all feel that way.

00:08:24.960 And so they're all like, it's about to go away.

00:08:26.640 It's a bunch of people talking on their cell phones as they're walking down the street.

00:08:29.280 Oh, embarrassing, embarrassing behavior.

00:08:32.720 But that's LA.

00:08:33.680 It's always been like that.

00:08:34.640 Sounds like the Edinburgh Festival.

00:08:35.840 Yeah.

00:08:36.240 What?

00:08:36.800 Sounds like the Edinburgh Festival.

00:08:38.160 A bit.

00:08:38.560 Yeah.

00:08:38.880 You can see a lot of that climbing at Edinburgh, for sure, for sure.

00:08:42.480 And then you see some of the Americans, not all.

00:08:45.040 I've seen one or two climber Americans.

00:08:48.080 We're probably thinking of the same person.

00:08:49.360 But like, yeah, I think we will.

00:08:52.000 But like, but like, yeah, the Americans don't really, it's not a job fair for us, mostly.

00:08:57.680 So when I go or Canadian goes or Sean Patton, we're just there to drink.

00:09:01.600 So the only way we're doing this is if it's like, if it's like, ah, yeah, come here, come drink.

00:09:06.320 You know, that's it.

00:09:07.120 That's, that's it.

00:09:09.760 Yeah.

00:09:10.480 But, but it's interesting because more and more, I just, I don't understand why comedians are worried about

00:09:16.960 this kind of what's happening online, because the reality is no one really watches what the mainstream

00:09:23.200 creates anymore.

00:09:24.240 There's one or two things, but mostly no.

00:09:26.480 Yeah.

00:09:26.640 And the power is with the creator.

00:09:29.360 Yeah.

00:09:29.520 It's weird.

00:09:30.080 It's, it's money, I think.

00:09:31.920 So they had a lot of people who just broke for a long time, barely making ends meet day jobs,

00:09:36.720 temp jobs, you know, or barely getting by with comedy, you know, making 35 grand a year, you know,

00:09:43.360 22, a pound, a thousand pounds a year, and, uh, and then with inflation 31, you know, whatever.

00:09:54.160 But like, and then like, just if, if like, there was this thing at the comedy store where like,

00:09:59.600 if I come down the steps and I see some guy in your face, that guy's just getting jumped.

00:10:06.000 That audience member is just getting jumped.

00:10:07.440 We'll figure it out later.

00:10:08.320 Even if we were fighting over a chick, that guy's getting jumped.

00:10:11.920 It was a no, it was a no questions asked thing.

00:10:15.520 It was just like, it's comics versus not a little bit of fucking infighting with, with alt comics

00:10:20.880 and stuff, but that's just snarky comments.

00:10:22.400 It was still like, you know, we'll protect those guys.

00:10:25.520 And then like money came into it.

00:10:28.320 And now that they don't have 32 grand, they make $3.2 million a year.

00:10:32.800 Like, well, I can't afford to lose a hundred grand on a sponsor.

00:10:36.560 It's nuts.

00:10:37.120 But that's what happens to everybody.

00:10:38.320 I guess it's money, I think.

00:10:40.080 But there seems to be more solidarity in this country between comedians and in the

00:10:44.640 comedians in the UK where they, yeah.

00:10:47.120 I mean, there's, there've been certain instances and examples where comedians have been able

00:10:53.360 to cancel other comedians and the glee and the thrill that they feel.

00:10:58.240 They wait for, it happens here too.

00:11:00.240 It happens here too.

00:11:00.960 They wait for some other reason.

00:11:02.080 Like that guy's always been a dick to me.

00:11:03.280 Let me pile on.

00:11:04.960 It's funny.

00:11:05.360 So I've talked to some people and they're like,

00:11:06.800 like they think you're never going to see you again instead of the reality is club

00:11:11.200 comedy.

00:11:12.080 This is the lowest level of the entertainment world.

00:11:15.520 It's 142 people, some on ketamine on a Monday night at 1 a.m.

00:11:20.480 So like, this is where you'll fail down to.

00:11:23.360 And I'm here with, you know, Jim Gaffigan and Bill Burr and Chris Rock and Chappelle,

00:11:29.680 the highest level guys are also here.

00:11:32.000 We're going to see you.

00:11:34.160 And then they all get like, like, oh shit.

00:11:35.680 Like, yeah, you thought we were dead just because we couldn't fight back at that moment.

00:11:40.000 So there's a kind of interesting thing going on here because on the one hand,

00:11:44.000 Yeah, the glee.

00:11:45.840 Just coming back to the thread of our conversation, Ari,

00:11:48.240 I got the sense that you are really not that bothered about any of this in,

00:11:52.480 in terms of your own experiences.

00:11:54.240 Like you, you made it fine.

00:11:56.400 You know, they tried blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:11:58.080 I mean, it wasn't pleasant, but, you know, but like, yeah, seeing a fucking,

00:12:02.960 I had to get, you know, concert tickets to one of the fucking,

00:12:06.960 actually not for this one, for another one.

00:12:09.120 The, one of the, the phone lady, Emily at the, at the stand was just taking like,

00:12:13.360 threats all day because someone found an old video of mine.

00:12:17.120 And so it was like, hey, let me get you tickets to Outside Lands,

00:12:20.160 you and your husband or whatever.

00:12:21.840 Like, go enjoy for me.

00:12:22.920 Sorry about that.

00:12:23.840 It wasn't like on purpose, but like, yeah.

00:12:25.520 So that doesn't feel great to have to hear about that.

00:12:28.960 But also like, just in general, you gotta put your focus on positive shit.

00:12:34.160 That's true.

00:12:34.640 I see so many of my friends focus on the worst.

00:12:37.440 And it's like, guys, it's great outside.

00:12:40.160 It's so nice outside.

00:12:42.000 You know, all this stuff, like, and there's so much fucking negative.

00:12:45.920 This is all my special, but like, there's so much negative shit in the world.

00:12:48.160 But like, there's literally flowers outside and no one's, no one's saying shit to me.

00:12:53.440 Like, what are we, what are we living in this negative space for?

00:12:57.120 Well, this is what I was going to say, because your personal experience seems to be one of like,

00:13:00.720 you don't give a shit particularly.

00:13:01.840 You overcome it.

00:13:02.560 It's not a big deal.

00:13:03.280 You still get a special out.

00:13:04.400 Yeah, it's not great, but it's like when you get a cold, it's like, this isn't awesome.

00:13:07.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:08.000 But like, I'll move on.

00:13:10.080 And what I'm saying is on the one hand, it's that.

00:13:11.840 And on the other hand, you also think that this canceled bullshit isn't going away.

00:13:15.840 No, yeah.

00:13:17.200 So you go to sponsors and the sponsor doesn't really care.

00:13:21.120 They don't have any moral high ground or low ground.

00:13:24.000 They're just like, oh, they're coming after us.

00:13:26.160 Let's just drop them.

00:13:26.880 We'll pick you up again in six months.

00:13:28.240 They don't say that, but they're just like, let's get out of this business.

00:13:30.400 The one that made it really clear to me was John Crist, this comedian in Nashville.

00:13:35.920 Do you know him?

00:13:36.480 No.

00:13:37.200 So he is, was a very Christian comedian.

00:13:40.800 Not just clean like Nate or, or Ryan Regan, but like Christian jokes about church and Jesus.

00:13:48.960 And he would play mega churches, 5,000 people at a time on just like a budget.

00:13:53.200 So there's no ticket sales.

00:13:54.160 He was rich.

00:13:55.520 He was going to do a special on Netflix.

00:13:57.520 And it's Netflix has the like is they, they cater to different people, you know?

00:14:03.280 So the children's programming is never for us, but like it's for people with kids.

00:14:07.440 And so when Lynn Coppola's like, do that joke about menopause, like we want you to do that

00:14:11.520 joke about menopause because we don't have that, you know, speaking to that group.

00:14:15.600 So Christian comics.

00:14:17.760 Sure.

00:14:18.400 And then he got caught in a consensually sexting with women, a couple of them that were married,

00:14:27.360 but like nothing morally wrong on Netflix's radar.

00:14:32.240 You know, it wasn't abusing anyone.

00:14:34.080 It wasn't non-consensual and they were like, hey, we're pulling the special, but it's like,

00:14:39.520 oh, so this isn't even a moral thing that you guys would even say.

00:14:43.280 You're allowed to have extramarital affair.

00:14:44.720 We don't do that.

00:14:45.280 That's not our, you know, if it was the Jesus channel, maybe, but not for Netflix.

00:14:50.320 What are you talking about?

00:14:51.760 Rape.

00:14:52.160 Okay, sure that, hey, we got to get out of this business, but it was, it's just consensual

00:14:55.440 shit.

00:14:56.000 And they were like, we got to pull this.

00:14:57.200 And they're like, oh, it's just because your market is now not as into you.

00:15:01.120 So it was just clearly about money and that's not one they could put out a statement.

00:15:04.400 They usually put out statements.

00:15:05.440 These companies like we don't stand for this.

00:15:07.120 I was like, shut up.

00:15:08.320 Just want, you know what I asked?

00:15:09.440 I asked Netflix and I said, you get your counterpart at CBS and at ABC and at FX and at HBO and

00:15:17.840 just put out a statement saying we will not react to any public thing for six months.

00:15:23.760 We're going to tie our hands behind our back.

00:15:25.840 So you can't pressure us to do anything that we'll sometimes later find out is incorrect.

00:15:31.040 So instead, if House of Cards come out and whatever, and they're like, oh, this shit.

00:15:35.280 It's like, well, we're not allowed to change anything for six months.

00:15:38.000 And then if it's still around six months later, then like, all right, let's get rid of this guy.

00:15:43.200 And then they won't come after you anymore.

00:15:45.120 They stopped coming after South Park because they just didn't, nothing happened to them.

00:15:49.120 It's, it's a really good point because you would have thought

00:15:51.120 Netflix would have learned their lesson from Chappelle.

00:15:52.880 Just stop getting involved. Yeah. Yeah. Chappelle. Just like,

00:15:55.600 don't get involved. Don't say anything. Just ignore it. Just ignore it.

00:16:00.240 And the thing is as well, it's like, if there's three employees who are kicking off,

00:16:03.760 they don't have to work there. It's their choice, right?

00:16:06.400 That's the thing too. They don't really stand for anything. They just want to be seen.

00:16:09.440 It's so funny talking to Netflix when there was a picket line outside and they're like,

00:16:12.960 it's COVID lockdowns. They went into work to leave work. No one's in the office.

00:16:18.720 They drove across town to stand outside to act like they're leaving work. It's so showy in LA.

00:16:23.840 Yeah. Yeah. It's so showy in LA. There was this book,

00:16:26.640 uh, um, to your Tolentano, Tolentino, uh, black trick mirror. Um, and she was talking about how

00:16:33.680 people like show the left is great at showing, you know? Um, and this one guy was like filming himself,

00:16:40.480 like, this is a hate free elevator. And he's like, by the way, he punched a girl in college,

00:16:44.800 you know? And it's like, they just love to ignore that and be this thing. And that lady who's leading

00:16:49.280 the picket charge against Chappelle has said some of the most vile stuff, um, which I actually think

00:16:54.000 is hilarious. But then also it's a little weird. You're shitting Chappelle, but also it's not that

00:16:58.240 weird because you don't care. You don't care at all. You're just trying to like get over. You're

00:17:02.960 just trying to sell somebody out there. You never see those like a summation, like comedy videos.

00:17:07.040 Um, and there's like this week in comedy. And all they're doing is, is just like repurposing

00:17:12.240 Shane Gillis stuff so they can get hits, you know? And if they're positive, then fine. But they're

00:17:16.560 just trying to like glom. Uh, that's what she's doing. So, okay. That makes sense to me. You're

00:17:22.400 fishing. I'm actually really glad that you brought up Shane because to me, that was a seminal moment

00:17:27.600 where, you know, he's back. He got canceled. Yeah. I didn't agree with it. I don't think a lot of

00:17:32.640 people did. He came back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was ridiculous. Yeah. It was ridiculous. And then

00:17:38.720 he's back on SNL. Yeah. And it seems like that moment, but I think it was a lovely moment. But

00:17:44.080 the reality is Shane doesn't need SNL. SNL needs Shane more than he needs them. Yeah. It won't

00:17:50.800 matter. It's for, it's for children. Here's okay. What people don't understand about Shane is that he's a

00:17:55.840 bad person. He's like a dick. He has his public demeanor of being a nice guy, but he's a jerk.

00:18:02.320 He brings nothing to barbecues, like nothing, like nothing, not even a six pack. And he drinks

00:18:07.760 24 beers. So that's not a guy you want around.

00:18:14.480 There's a man who's hosted a lot of barbecues. Yeah. And he's, he's a hundred dollars out of pocket.

00:18:18.960 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh, he bought Molly one time, but not enough for everybody. So then he's like,

00:18:23.920 hey, can I talk to you over here? Where it's like, dude, who raised you? Bring enough Molly for

00:18:28.640 everybody. I don't bring any, do it before you get there. So in that way, I would say, well,

00:18:34.320 I guess this is not an SNL issue.

00:18:40.240 That is, so I guess. Yeah. That's my hot take. I don't know. I don't know, man,

00:18:44.080 about us. Shane Gillis is a bad person. Shane Gillis is a bad person.

00:18:47.200 He doesn't share the drugs. Yeah. No, he does share, just not enough for everybody.

00:18:52.000 Right. And it didn't even hit. It didn't even hit.

00:18:57.920 You ever take Molly and it doesn't hit? Yeah. How bad do you feel?

00:19:02.480 You got to have depression the next day for not even a hit. Be better, Shane.

00:19:10.000 So he, so not only does he bring insufficient. Yeah. SNL needs it, whatever. It's just a dumb

00:19:15.360 fucking show. It doesn't make up for it. You know, it is cool. It's like a nice, like,

00:19:19.520 all right, we kept that off. It's their way of saying, I'm sorry. Yeah, but it's a way of,

00:19:23.440 like, and they obviously didn't want to get rid of him. Well, it's a way of closing that loop,

00:19:27.120 isn't it? Yeah, closing the loop. Because what happened was he, what happened could have been

00:19:32.400 really impactful in his career. Nobody knew at the time, I think, I think it's fair to say. Right.

00:19:36.560 Nobody knew how that was going to end. It was such a huge opportunity and then suddenly gone,

00:19:39.920 and he's not even a guy who's really headlining much at the time. Yeah. So it was like,

00:19:44.320 damn, that's a really big opportunity. Yeah. That gets snatched away from him

00:19:48.880 because of something he said on a podcast, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it's almost the

00:19:53.920 way I think the reason it's interesting is the comedy industry, from what I could see from the

00:19:59.840 outside, and you may have a better perspective, like circled the wagons around him. Yeah. Rogan helped

00:20:05.600 him out, other people helped him out, made sure that he was getting attention, and then his talent

00:20:09.760 kind of shot through. Yeah, Rogan took a couple years with Rogan. You did? Yeah, it was a couple

00:20:13.280 years later that he was on. Okay. Yeah. But nonetheless, I guess. But then once he discovered

00:20:18.160 him, he's like, this guy's great. Well, it had nothing to do with what happened at SNL. Oh, okay.

00:20:21.440 It had nothing to do with that. Interesting. People say, oh, I like her sketches. They're funny.

00:20:24.320 So that was misreading for me. But I guess what I feel is people didn't throw him in the trash. No,

00:20:29.600 and also they felt like, hey, he's one of ours. He's getting unfairly taken down, and like the

00:20:34.480 Legion of Skanks type of crowd was like, no, fuck that. That's so shitty. It felt like in

00:20:40.880 Goodfellas, like when one of their friends got made, that's how we all felt like, oh, cool,

00:20:44.800 a mainstream stand-up comedian got on this show that's for like dumb groundlings people and UCB

00:20:50.400 people, you know. And finally, we got a real Comic-Con. That's been a while. And then gone. And you're

00:20:56.800 like, no. It's like when they killed Joe Pesci. It was like, that was the one shot we had. So we all

00:21:02.400 kind of took it personally. Right. Yeah. You know. And what I'm saying is that, that, plus the work

00:21:07.840 that he put in, plus the talent that he has. Yeah. And then the circle is complete, where now he's so

00:21:13.920 big. He's so big. That as Francis says, SNL need him more than he needs them. Yeah, when we were

00:21:18.160 talking about it, it was like, you wouldn't have hosted SNL if they didn't get rid of you. That's

00:21:22.720 right. You'd still be, probably still be on it or just leaving. Who knows if they would have like sat on you,

00:21:28.160 that we did with like Tim Robinson and like not really used you right. Who knows? Who knows?

00:21:32.560 The political shit there, you know, who can network and laugh at whose jokes gets ahead. Oh,

00:21:38.160 it sounds like a horrible place. Everyone I talk to works there. It's like, it's all that LA stuff.

00:21:44.400 So who knows? It's not like he asked for it, but ends up being better. My special was better off for

00:21:49.520 the extra couple of years I took off. Got to go away from it for a little while to see it again,

00:21:53.440 fresh. Realized some jokes were too long. So I was real happy for that. So, but yeah, yeah. But,

00:22:02.480 yeah, this shit keeps happening. I guess what I'm interested in is-

00:22:06.160 And also Shane's like so good. Yeah. Right.

00:22:09.360 So if you're saying like it's not, if the people like it's not real, they'll say like,

00:22:12.240 well, he's fine. It's like, I guess so. But also like there's personal shit too.

00:22:17.680 There's like, you know, like his family gets embarrassed at where they live. That's not,

00:22:23.920 he's not fine from that. You know, that lady at New York comedy club who is scared they're going to

00:22:28.880 shoot the place up. That's not, I'm fine now. That's, that's someone who's been damaged.

00:22:35.120 You know, there's like real shit. That's not exactly just monetary. Everyone's so

00:22:39.040 monetary based. That's right. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. To see your friends

00:22:43.920 turn on you is like, that's not a fun thing that even if you're doing fine financially,

00:22:48.560 like what the fuck was that? I've got a couple of apologies myself. Yeah.

00:22:51.520 People later going, Hey, I shouldn't have said anything publicly.

00:22:54.800 But here's, here's what I'm getting at, Ari, right? Because when we started the show,

00:22:59.520 it was very much from a position of like, we think there's something going on. We don't really like it.

00:23:03.680 Let's find out what it is. Let's talk to different people.

00:23:05.920 And all the people that we thought were our friends in the comedy industry instantly turned

00:23:09.840 on us or most of them. Why? Because what? Because we're, you know, you're not supposed to think

00:23:14.800 freedom of speech and jokes are allowed and all of that because that makes you right wing and evil

00:23:19.280 and racist. But anyway, my point is now it's fast forward six years. A lot of those people

00:23:25.920 are now apologizing, asking for us to go for a coffee, et cetera, et cetera. Tell them to do it publicly.

00:23:32.240 Well, right. Say, okay, great. Go publicly. Say how wrong you are. Don't insult me again.

00:23:36.800 Don't say, Hey, they were racist, but I handled it wrong. Don't do that. Go do it publicly.

00:23:41.200 Say I was a fucking asshole. I was the dork in comedy that we all say, if you don't like it,

00:23:46.080 just leave the room and you were fucking dorks. So just say you were a fucking dork who's holding

00:23:51.120 back comedy. There's no excuse for it. Not at all. Be that person. I haven't seen many of those.

00:23:57.040 I haven't seen many of those at all. And even so, I feel like some loops are being closed

00:24:02.640 in comedy with people who said cancel culture was an issue in the world that we're in, et cetera.

00:24:08.480 So I guess from that perspective, I do feel in the spirit of what you're saying, somewhat more

00:24:13.280 optimistic about the direction of travel. Do you? Or are you just like, or are you just saying?

00:24:19.440 It's like, it happens when it happens to somebody, it's, it's like, fuck, it's really bad.

00:24:24.000 Yeah.

00:24:24.480 But it really is like, you can't help it. It is like getting a cold, like a bad COVID,

00:24:28.960 like a really bad COVID the night before you tape a special.

00:24:32.160 This sucked. You're just not gonna be able to tape it tomorrow.

00:24:35.600 You know, it's the same as someone finding a joke randomly from eight years ago. It doesn't

00:24:39.520 fucking quite fit right now because sorry, because the zeitgeist is different.

00:24:43.360 And they're just seeing it for the first time right now. And it's like, yeah, it sucks,

00:24:47.680 but you caught a cold. There's nothing to be done about it. You would just think

00:24:53.120 that is the most disappointing thing when comedians don't see that and they pile on,

00:24:57.280 make it harder.

00:24:57.920 Yeah.

00:24:58.480 So you're saying it's kind of an occupational hazard.

00:25:02.160 If you're going to be...

00:25:02.560 Yeah, it's an occupational hazard. Yeah. You're, you're, you're walking on the line.

00:25:06.080 What I want is one or two people walking out of the 144. If I get 20 people walking out,

00:25:11.360 okay, I went too far over the line. But if you don't get anybody walk for a whole weekend on

00:25:15.440 the road, you don't get a couple people walking out. I don't think I've done my job.

00:25:19.040 Because there's some uptight people. You want to like, hey, you're actually not supposed to be

00:25:22.640 here. This is a cool thing. And you're not cool. You know, it's like the people who hated like

00:25:30.160 certain kinds of rap. It's just like, this isn't for you, you know, or, or social D said you used

00:25:35.680 to get beat up by cops because they had like blue hair and like, and like pins in their ears. And it's

00:25:40.240 like, yeah, bro, you're not cool. You're not a punker. I don't know what to tell you. You

00:25:44.320 shouldn't be here for this. So we want to drive those people out while everyone else is laughing

00:25:47.680 hysterically. What was the question? I was saying it's an occupational hazard.

00:25:52.400 Yeah, it's an occupational hazard. That's a good way to put it. And so it's like,

00:25:56.080 yeah, it's like, I can't, you can't try to be like, you know, it's like when you want this laugh,

00:26:01.680 like, oh my God, like that, like, that means someone's going to go, no. So that's, that's part of it.

00:26:07.600 Now you try to mitigate it, which is like phones and pouches here. Yeah. It's only for the people

00:26:11.920 in here. They get taken out to someone else and be like, how dare you say that? And you're like,

00:26:15.840 ah, you were never supposed to, who's showing this to you? I got one where a lot of people came after

00:26:19.920 me for a, a tweet about, um, Kenny Rogers when he died. I called him a racist. And I said, he, um,

00:26:26.720 he, by the way, uh, uh, an island is not in a stream. It's only in a lake or above.

00:26:31.760 Um, you're a fucking idiot and you're a racist. Why you wouldn't serve a fried chicken, only a

00:26:36.560 roasted chicken, um, to keep black people out of your establishment. And then anyway,

00:26:40.160 but somebody like three days later just showed it on like some like middle-aged blog. And I was

00:26:45.840 getting all these death threats from like middle-aged white ladies. And I, and I was like, not mad about

00:26:50.480 it. Cause I'm like, okay. But I'm like, Hey, who showed you this? Who sent you something they knew

00:26:55.200 would make you mad. It's not for you. It's for me and my comedy fans. Who's like, they're like,

00:27:03.280 they're trying to make you mad. Why would they do that? It's like taking Mein Kampf to a Jewish

00:27:07.920 school. Like, can you believe this? Like, get out of here. You're not supposed to read this right now.

00:27:12.800 Yeah. Yeah. So do you, do you think that's what's really happened is it's not that necessarily

00:27:17.760 people have become more sensitive. It's just because of technology. Yeah. The algorithm favoring

00:27:22.480 the negative China is when everybody, this Israel and Hamas stuff, right? And both sides,

00:27:27.760 I see, I don't get involved. Both sides. I see go on the amount of fucking people thinking the

00:27:32.880 opposite of me on my feet are crazy. And they're both saying that. And you want to reach out and

00:27:36.640 be like, guys, they're showing you at a two thirds rate, the stuff they know would make you mad.

00:27:42.240 They're showing you the fucking, if you're pro Israel, they're showing you the pro

00:27:46.480 Gaza side or the anti Israel side. If you're pro Gaza, they're showing you the anti-Gaza side.

00:27:50.960 And they're not showing anybody a recommendation for a new movie. You know what I mean? It's only

00:27:55.760 the stuff you care about. They're not, if you're into dog adoption, they're showing you how these

00:27:59.200 dogs are mistreated and they're not showing you any Hamas in Israel stuff. You know, they're just

00:28:04.080 showing you stuff that makes you mad. And you're on there going, I can't believe this world. And

00:28:07.760 it's like, it's not that world. My sister's Orthodox Jewish. She's like, do you see a lot of

00:28:12.000 anti-Semitism around the fucking country? I'm like, none, zero, zero. And it would come to me.

00:28:17.120 And I've never seen it. I walk around New York. I walk around, I travel for work. I've never heard

00:28:23.120 anything. You just shut the fucking laptop and it's gone. But people are on there. So they're

00:28:28.080 showing people stuff that jokes that would make them mad. They're showing the Asian community

00:28:32.320 that Shane joke or fucking Tony's joke or whatever anybody gets caught for. It's like,

00:28:37.200 who's showing it to these people? Right.

00:28:39.600 It's kind of funny, actually. It is actually, now that I think about it, kind of funny. Let me show

00:28:44.240 this joke to the exact wrong people and watch them go fucking ballistic. Actually, it is pretty funny.

00:28:50.400 Yeah. But that seems to be what's happening, right? It's like, stuff gets ripped out of the context

00:28:55.600 in which it was said in a dark room in the basement of a comedy club. And then it's now broadcast on

00:29:01.600 breakfast TV to a bunch of parents. Yeah. It's like, that's not what it's for.

00:29:04.960 Yeah. Sam Marill got in trouble here once for a rape joke a decade ago. And somebody's

00:29:10.720 was, there's a time and place for everything. He goes, well, isn't the offensive show at midnight

00:29:15.200 on Thursday, a show called The Offensive Show, the right time and place for it? And they're, well,

00:29:20.320 I don't, it's like, yeah, what do you mean? So you're correct. But also, no, you're not.

00:29:26.480 But like, that is, if there's ever one, that would be it. It's just dorks. It's just dorks. It's funny.

00:29:34.000 It is funny. It's funny when they laugh. Their pain is funny. Their tears are sweet. Their

00:29:39.520 death threats are my standing ovation. Their anger is fucking awesome. It's hilarious. It's hilarious.

00:29:48.000 Why do you enjoy that? It's just to make someone mad over something they shouldn't be mad at.

00:29:52.400 It's very funny. It's just a long history of trolling. Just saying things that aren't

00:29:57.520 what you believe in to see you can get a rise this morning. Going to a horse convention saying

00:30:01.200 cars are the real way. Going to a car convention saying, you guys were all wrong. It should be

00:30:04.800 horses. And just, Duncan Trussell went on. There was this website, godslittleones.org. And it was

00:30:13.360 for people, survivors of women who had had abortions or miscarriages. And they made little replicas of what

00:30:21.360 their baby would be, little pendants or pins and stuff. And they're like, what color hair do you

00:30:25.840 have? What color hair does the husband have? Let's try to mimic what the eye color would be. And this

00:30:29.840 is your thing. And there's pictures of people posing with their stillborn baby. And the husband's like,

00:30:35.120 I don't know how to tell her, we're not doing this. And just posing like this. And Duncan went on there

00:30:40.320 and just made an account of me just going like, yeah, I've had six abortions. I talked women into it. I

00:30:46.640 feel bad. And just like, just fucking with them until eventually they kicked them out. And it was

00:30:50.720 very, very funny. Very funny. Dice has this thing. He used to have this thing. He's a great troll

00:30:57.280 where fans would come over and he would just try to entertain the comedians around.

00:31:00.880 So you'd be sitting there. Imagine you're standing up. I'll be out of frame. And then it'd be like,

00:31:04.960 hey, Dice, a big fan. Go ahead and try that. Hey, Dice, I'm a big fan. Yeah, appreciate it. It's great.

00:31:11.440 You know, I just never, just never look. He's on steps, just never looking down at the guy. He's

00:31:17.680 like, oh yeah, that's great. Appreciate that. Until the guy's like, okay. And he's like, yep, see you.

00:31:24.560 It's just, it's just wonderful. It's just wonderful to see. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why

00:31:29.520 I like it. I like dark humor too. I wanted a Columbine joke the day after Columbine. Other people want to

00:31:34.480 wait 20 years. It's just like, how much do you feel it? It, you know, when I, when I, when I go

00:31:41.280 to a Holocaust Memorial, I'm not in the mood for Holocaust jokes for a week or two,

00:31:46.080 but the day before I go, I'm very in the mood for it. Right. Yeah. You know, so, so you can make a

00:31:50.960 fucking Gaza and Israel joke if you're not looking at the fucking dead bodies. Yeah. You know, and you,

00:31:56.320 less, I mean, I was on Rogan with Tony. We're making fun of the Travis Scott trampling. Um,

00:32:01.040 there was a, there was a concert that a bunch of people got trampled. Me and Tony were just like

00:32:04.960 making fun of it, making jokes. And then Rogan was like, have you seen the video? It's horrific. Like,

00:32:09.280 no, I don't show it. Cause this will be the end of the comedy. And we're just making more jokes

00:32:12.880 because Jamie call it up. And he's like, no, don't. And we're just making jokes. And then he calls up

00:32:16.480 and you see these people begging for their lives. Stop, stop. And people try to help them. And then

00:32:20.880 they're just, they're dead. And then we're like, all right, well, this doesn't feel great to make

00:32:26.960 jokes about anymore. But like, why would you show that to us? We wanted to have some distance.

00:32:32.320 Yeah. It's, it's interesting that you say that. What, what is that compulsion to make jokes

00:32:38.080 about the darkest subjects? Where does that come from?

00:32:40.720 I don't know. I think it's to make relief from it. It's like, cause you, you can, it's only funny

00:32:46.640 if you recognize it, it's horrific. You know, you just can't, you have to have some distance to be able to,

00:32:51.680 to, to, to be able to make jokes, some distance, but you have to recognize this. It's AIDS, rape,

00:32:57.520 the Holocaust. Um, and you know, those are terrible. So when you compare you dropping your pizza, um,

00:33:06.960 to getting AIDS, it's like, oh, that's a massive difference. But if you compare dropping your pizza

00:33:15.040 to, um, um, I don't know, somebody backing up their car and kind of hitting a bumper slightly,

00:33:21.200 which is like a slight perturbance. It's like, well, there's no humor in that. Those aren't

00:33:25.600 far enough off. So you recognize how horrific the Holocaust is. So, so that's a good comparison

00:33:32.240 to make, take it lightly is silly. Yeah. I agree. I agree with that. And so you talk about this dark

00:33:39.040 humor and the controversial humor, and we're talking about you moving to the UK. Yeah. Oh,

00:33:44.320 dude, I love it. I love it. It's such a fight there. It's such a fucking fight. I had six shows at

00:33:49.600 Top Secret. And the early shows, the late shows were great. The early shows, I mean, it was like,

00:33:57.520 so, so let's say, I mean, I had women going, move on, guy. Nah, move on. Enough with this.

00:34:04.720 It was like, no. And then the middle shows, they'd be doing, they're like, stop with this already. And

00:34:08.800 then some other guy was like, no, no, I like it. It's just fighting. And the late shows, everybody's

00:34:12.480 on board. I love the fight. And they were yelling at me that I sucked, and that I needed to learn

00:34:19.200 how to do comedy. And I was like, wow. They didn't know me, which is great. And it was just like,

00:34:24.400 ah, I'm back to fighting again. This is amazing. I love it. Yeah, they're weird there. They're

00:34:29.520 different. They're backwards. Yeah. You guys are just like 10, 12 years behind us. I mean, that is

00:34:34.800 actually true. So these things that we're doing now, which is acceptable here, they're like, whoa,

00:34:39.200 whoa, whoa, whoa. The scene is much freer. Yeah. Much freer. Yeah. People also, the scene came from

00:34:48.320 here. Yeah. And it came from theater there. So they're still figuring out what it is there.

00:34:54.080 Yeah. And here, they know what it is. I saw this Ragnar Charlson, I don't know, some Icelandic

00:35:02.080 artist, and he was doing some Q&A at the Met, and he was talking about music. And he goes in Europe and

00:35:07.440 London, and he goes, everyone goes to art school, the musicians, the rock and roll musicians go to

00:35:13.600 art school. That's how I learned to do it. He goes in America, I think he might have been quoting

00:35:17.040 somebody. He goes, it's, and he like asks for a word in Iceland. He goes, it's music is from the soil.

00:35:24.320 And that's how comedy is. It's from the soil here. Yeah. And, but do you not, because you talk about

00:35:31.120 the fight, which I find really interesting, Ari, because most comedians work really hard,

00:35:36.000 so they don't have to fight. So they play to their own audience. You seem to be, you're living your

00:35:40.800 life in an inverse almost, because you've got this big audience. Yeah. You've built it. People love you.

00:35:45.840 They'll come for your stuff. Yeah. You want to travel halfway around the globe to start a fight with

00:35:50.800 200 drunks. Yeah. In a basement in London. Yeah. Duncan asked me that. He goes, why do you get only

00:35:55.520 1230 AM spots at the comedy store? You can get, you can get like 930 or like early in the show. I'm

00:36:00.160 like, what do you think? Okay. She goes like, you'd like performing for drunk cowboys. I'm like,

00:36:04.080 correct. I want to win people over. That's my favorite thing. Winning over a crowd doesn't know

00:36:09.040 you. And these other comics get fucking weak because they perform to their own comics, own fans all day,

00:36:13.760 every day. And then they never have to fucking win anybody over. So then do a special and they go

00:36:17.760 outside their fan base and people are like, this isn't really that thought out. Someone's just

00:36:22.160 spotting you the whole time when doing your workouts. Um, Norman knows you go up to hard

00:36:28.880 environments. Hey, fuck. I got to follow Sean Patton today. This is going to be fucking work.

00:36:33.840 And a lot of guys like, eh, put somebody buffer us with somebody weak so I can have it easier.

00:36:38.240 I'm like, this is a workout set. You know, I got Tyler Fisher. He's so nice and pleasant.

00:36:44.640 They hate me after him. When I go after him, they, they're just like, you're so not nice.

00:36:50.880 And they like, they make me work for it. And it's like, sweet. I had somebody waiting outside

00:36:55.520 after a Holocaust joke. I think it was a Holocaust. Sometimes they get, they cry and I'm like,

00:36:59.280 which, where did I lose? It has to be one of the four or five topics, but I never know which one.

00:37:03.840 And she's like, she was really mad. And I was upstairs drinking at the village underground.

00:37:07.840 And then, uh, and then I left like 30 minutes later and I'm walking back towards here and some,

00:37:12.240 I just passed somebody goes, you're a piece of shit. I bet you're that lady. I bet you're that

00:37:18.640 lady. Look how mad you are. You're going to remember me when you go to sleep tonight. Oh,

00:37:22.960 I love it. And it's not like I was doing it just to hurt. I was entertaining everybody else.

00:37:27.520 Yeah. I'm going for joy. That's a fun side effect. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. These comics,

00:37:32.720 they get weak. I see it. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a worrisome thing. You got

00:37:38.000 to look at where other comics dropped off and avoid it. And I think what most of the rich ones

00:37:42.320 get is they stop. There's exceptions. Obviously the political comics is just as angry about politics

00:37:48.640 where no matter how rich they get, the ones that are heartbroken, they get just as angry about

00:37:52.560 heartbreak. You know, they just kind of self-motivate, but a lot of them just like,

00:37:56.480 they stop going up every day. They're not, they're not daily comics. You know,

00:38:00.560 they just get ready for specials and they're just not as good. You see it. They're not as good.

00:38:04.640 Yeah. There's a softness there. They're soft. Yeah. It's because they don't challenge themselves

00:38:09.440 to hard spots, do bad rooms, do hard spots, follow Sean Patton, follow Norman, follow Shane,

00:38:15.840 struggle. It's good for you. I like being uncomfortable. Well, you're going to the UK

00:38:21.360 and they brought in some hate speech laws where... Really? Yeah. In Scotland. In Scotland.

00:38:25.920 And you love the Edinburgh... But do they enforce those? We'll find out.

00:38:29.760 Count Dankula never went to jail. He was fined and he has a criminal record. Has he paid it?

00:38:34.320 I don't know. I don't think he has. Yeah. But what, what, if the newspapers write about him,

00:38:39.040 I think they're legally allowed to call him a Naughty Hate Criminal.

00:38:44.000 Which to you would, it's something you'd put on your post, I understand.

00:38:46.640 Yeah, you could do that anyway. Yeah. I'm here, you could just do that.

00:38:49.040 You could just call someone a Naughty Hate Criminal. Yeah, yeah, because you don't

00:38:50.160 have the same libel laws and... So like you, they just got the rights that we have.

00:38:54.960 So congrats to those newspapers. They're allowed to just say whatever the

00:38:58.640 fuck they want. Speaking of Naughty Hate Criminals, your last show... Yeah, do you, are you guys

00:39:03.600 worried about it? The free speech there? Or is it just like an online thing that you

00:39:07.440 sort of worry about? I don't think it's online at all. I think it's real.

00:39:11.360 People have gotten legitimately... Like we can't jaywalk here. Do you know who

00:39:14.240 Jerry Sadowitz is? Jerry Sadowitz? Next time you're in Edinburgh, go see him.

00:39:19.280 He's the most offensive and therefore one of the best comics in the UK.

00:39:22.960 Yeah. He doesn't have any stuff online because it's, you know, it's too much, too much.

00:39:27.760 His show was cancelled from the Edinburgh Fringe. Why?

00:39:30.560 Uh, because they didn't agree with their opinions, you know.

00:39:34.560 Yeah, right, right, right. I heard Paul Curie got in trouble, too, recently.

00:39:37.600 Paul... Yeah, yeah, he did. Yeah, yeah.

00:39:39.200 Just like... Listen, I love when it comes to Jewish shit because I'm always like,

00:39:43.360 say whatever you want, do whatever you want, and then go, well, you wouldn't say that if it was...

00:39:46.560 And then when there's like Nick Cannon was like, the Holocaust wasn't real, shit like that.

00:39:49.920 And I'm like, yeah, finally. Guys, let him say it.

00:39:54.240 Finally, you're not going to accuse me of just like being on the wrong side of it.

00:39:57.920 Just like... He's allowed to say whatever. You can be a flat earther.

00:40:01.840 You can be in the clan. It's okay. You're allowed.

00:40:06.720 I just don't have to be friends with you. But silencing art.

00:40:11.600 It's crazy. It's crazy to me.

00:40:14.560 That's crazy to me.

00:40:15.520 Why do you think they do it? Why do you think they want to do it?

00:40:18.480 You ever see the John... You ever heard the John Ronson

00:40:21.920 web series or podcast series about cancel culture?

00:40:24.800 Mm-mm. Yes, I have.

00:40:26.080 And the... What do they call it? The culture wars?

00:40:28.400 Oh, no, that one I haven't.

00:40:29.840 Yeah, it's pretty good. It's the beginning of it.

00:40:32.160 And one of them was before any of the internet stuff, which is like a web server.

00:40:36.000 Somebody was like founded what they deemed an offensive joke.

00:40:38.640 It was just an offensive joke group.

00:40:41.120 And somebody found it was like, this is wrong.

00:40:42.960 And they're like, let's... We found out.

00:40:44.800 We did some internet research, found out where he works,

00:40:46.800 called the company, tried to get him fired.

00:40:48.640 Now, it was his company.

00:40:50.160 Yeah.

00:40:50.720 So he was taking the call like, this is... What the fuck?

00:40:52.960 And that was like the first example of them trying to like...

00:40:55.120 Right.

00:40:55.520 People are bloodlusty.

00:40:57.200 And they want people to feel pain.

00:40:59.440 Yeah.

00:41:00.000 It's why you leave a negative review on Yelp.

00:41:01.600 You're not actually trying to help anybody.

00:41:02.960 You're trying to...

00:41:03.600 You're not leaving a three-star.

00:41:04.720 You're leaving a one-star.

00:41:06.400 And it's like, oh, you just want to hurt the business because you didn't...

00:41:09.440 I don't know, they were out of nachos.

00:41:11.440 You know, they just want to hurt people.

00:41:12.960 On the left and the right, they're all humans.

00:41:15.520 And they'd all just do it.

00:41:17.120 We're all Nazis waiting to have it to be in the power group.

00:41:21.920 We would all be collaborators.

00:41:23.600 The idea that we would stand up for what's right is silly.

00:41:26.160 When no one stood up against slavery, when slavery was acceptable.

00:41:30.880 You know, it took years after.

00:41:32.960 Almost nobody helped out the Jews.

00:41:35.360 You know, it was just like, all right, you can take...

00:41:37.920 They took my grandfather's farm.

00:41:39.200 They just showed up.

00:41:39.920 A priest showed up with a cop.

00:41:40.960 Like, here's some.

00:41:42.880 And it's like, that's a priest.

00:41:43.920 Like, no one's immune to it.

00:41:45.760 We'd all do it.

00:41:47.600 Almost all of us.

00:41:49.360 And you all want to be like, I wouldn't.

00:41:50.800 But it's like, we all would.

00:41:51.760 So the left, the right, the libertarians, they're all just ready to be bloodlusty.

00:41:56.240 It's fun.

00:41:56.800 It's fun to hurt people, I guess.

00:41:58.880 So you get very few, like, really nice people that are like, let's help.

00:42:02.640 I mean, I've seen people say Martin Luther King was wrong about fighting darkness with light.

00:42:06.400 They're like, well, he was...

00:42:08.480 I'm like, you're smarter than Martin Luther King?

00:42:11.520 Like, wow, he fucked white women.

00:42:12.880 It's like, you're nuts.

00:42:15.040 You're nuts if you don't just stop and go like, what am I doing?

00:42:17.600 I'm better than...

00:42:18.400 I'm a leftist feminist and I'm better than Martin Luther King?

00:42:22.080 Wow.

00:42:22.400 Okay.

00:42:22.800 All right.

00:42:24.320 It's funny.

00:42:24.800 It's funny.

00:42:25.360 It's funny.

00:42:26.160 I don't know.

00:42:26.800 It is.

00:42:27.120 Yeah.

00:42:27.680 It is.

00:42:28.480 And so we've been talking about anti-Semitism and you kind of say that you alluded to it at the

00:42:34.560 beginning of the interview where it's like, you don't see it in real life, but you see it online.

00:42:39.840 Yeah.

00:42:41.120 So I was talking to, I was doing my old podcast.

00:42:43.040 It's gone now.

00:42:44.000 Skeptic Tech.

00:42:44.640 I ended it.

00:42:45.200 I was talking to a trans lady.

00:42:49.200 I would just talk through like, like, life experience or something you've observed or whatever.

00:42:55.440 If you're a rodeo clown, I would do that.

00:42:56.880 So anyway, I had a trans lady on fucking 10 years ago.

00:43:00.560 No, trans man.

00:43:02.320 And then a trans woman on, um, four, four, four years ago.

00:43:08.320 And I was like, who cares about these bathrooms in North Carolina?

00:43:11.120 She goes, what matters to me?

00:43:12.240 And I was like, I didn't want to get into an emotional fight, but it was like,

00:43:16.800 you don't go to North Carolina.

00:43:18.880 So it doesn't matter to you.

00:43:21.680 I mean, on a human level, but like every, all suffering everywhere matters to you.

00:43:25.600 And then, you know, what's happening in Somalia matters to you.

00:43:29.520 The poverty in Uganda matters to you, you know, like, but it doesn't matter to you.

00:43:35.600 It's just your thing, but it's not your thing.

00:43:37.440 You don't go to North Carolina.

00:43:38.880 It doesn't affect you actually affect you.

00:43:41.040 It doesn't, you know, the bathrooms here, how clean this bathroom is, is way more important to you.

00:43:46.720 And it's disgusting here.

00:43:48.480 Never take a dump in the fucking comedy cellar bathroom, even before the show starts.

00:43:53.040 It's horrific.

00:43:55.040 But, so this stuff doesn't really matter.

00:43:57.360 There's this idea in poker of statistically, uh, irrelevant.

00:44:01.200 So like, um, it was Texas Hold'em.

00:44:04.160 If you get, you flop set over set, which is like, you flop three of a kind, someone else flops three of a kind.

00:44:09.600 There's only two other cards that can make you get, if you get to have a pair and only two cards coming up will be one of those, uh, to get us.

00:44:17.840 And then for you to have that, and for me to have it, and for me to have the higher one,

00:44:22.400 a lot of the poker pros who wrote books, like, just don't consider that.

00:44:26.160 It's so statistically irrelevant.

00:44:27.760 And you can be like, well, I've seen it.

00:44:28.880 I'm like, I know you've seen it, but it's just pointless to think about.

00:44:32.640 It's so small.

00:44:34.080 That's how this is.

00:44:35.280 You look at it online, like, it's happening every day.

00:44:37.280 Like, it's not.

00:44:37.920 You're not on a college campus.

00:44:39.600 Even there, it's not happening.

00:44:41.440 Even there.

00:44:42.080 It's not happening?

00:44:42.960 It's barely.

00:44:44.160 If you're on that college campus, and you're a block over, it's not happening.

00:44:49.600 When they say, uh, uh, there was a, um, a terrorist attack in Times Square,

00:44:53.920 you could have been in Times Square that day at that time, and you'd be fine.

00:44:59.360 He killed 12 people.

00:45:00.480 Some guy ran over 12 people.

00:45:01.920 There's 100,000 there.

00:45:03.360 12 people.

00:45:05.120 It's not going to affect you.

00:45:06.720 It's actually not going to affect you, unless mentally seeing it.

00:45:09.760 But, like, you're not going to be gotten hit.

00:45:13.120 When the nuclear holocaust happens, everyone's like, well, how will I survive?

00:45:15.840 You'll be dead instantly.

00:45:17.600 That's 99.5% of people.

00:45:19.520 You'll be in that group.

00:45:21.120 So, no, you're not on that college.

00:45:22.560 You're in class when they're getting pushed around.

00:45:26.000 Yeah, one guy is getting pushed around.

00:45:28.560 Everybody else is just, like, trying to get angry.

00:45:31.760 They said, uh, instances of Asian hate crimes, uh, reported hate crimes went up.

00:45:37.840 I don't know how much during, during, uh, COVID.

00:45:40.960 But then you look into it, it's like, well, it's reported hate crimes.

00:45:44.080 And I've seen people misreport hate crimes.

00:45:46.480 We were outside the, uh, well, no, I heard about this.

00:45:49.360 The comedy story after Trump got elected.

00:45:51.280 And Kim Congdon and a bunch of other people.

00:45:54.800 And they're feeling excitable because of Trump.

00:45:58.320 And they're all standing around.

00:45:59.680 And somebody yells, like, you go build that wall.

00:46:02.640 As they're driving by.

00:46:03.920 And she's like, what the fuck?

00:46:05.200 And got really mad.

00:46:05.840 And everybody else is like, Kim, I don't think they're, I don't think they're,

00:46:08.960 I don't think they're talking to you or really, or like, mad like that.

00:46:13.680 And she goes, no, that's fucking hate.

00:46:14.960 And they were like, you sure?

00:46:16.160 It's not because we're outside the comedy store and they're making a joke.

00:46:18.720 She's like, no fucking way.

00:46:20.400 And the, and the one was like, that was a black guy in the car.

00:46:23.200 Like I saw the black guy yelling it out.

00:46:25.040 I think he was making a joke.

00:46:26.160 Also, there's only one a bit Latino woman in here.

00:46:29.200 And we're all just white and black.

00:46:31.120 It just doesn't hold up.

00:46:32.320 But she felt the fucking racism.

00:46:34.320 So that's reported hate crime.

00:46:37.760 So it's like, I don't know, you're going to see it everywhere.

00:46:39.760 So you think the online world is making us see-

00:46:43.600 It's statistically irrelevant.

00:46:45.120 And you're living it.

00:46:46.960 Shut it.

00:46:48.080 Shut the laptop.

00:46:49.120 None of it's happening.

00:46:50.160 My friends are so into this.

00:46:52.240 And I'm just like, guys, you're, you're just wrong.

00:46:55.680 It's not happening.

00:46:56.640 Hmm.

00:46:57.440 I guess what I, and this is an interesting conversation to have.

00:47:00.320 What I hear from people who feel more strongly about it than you do is,

00:47:06.960 there would have, you know,

00:47:08.480 is there room for that level of complacency, they might say, given history.

00:47:11.920 Right, it could lead to the Holocaust.

00:47:13.440 Oh, yeah.

00:47:13.840 George Bush is, it was going to lead to his new Hitler.

00:47:16.960 Oh, well, not him.

00:47:17.760 Okay.

00:47:18.080 But, Charles Trump, yes, he's a new Hitler, but not George Bush Jr.

00:47:22.160 And it's like, guys, you just keep saying this.

00:47:24.960 You just keep saying this shit.

00:47:26.400 This will be a nuclear Holocaust because of fucking Iran.

00:47:29.280 Oh, it didn't happen.

00:47:30.240 Oh, yeah.

00:47:30.800 I should have not gone skiing that week.

00:47:32.800 So I could go to a picket.

00:47:34.640 I went skiing.

00:47:35.440 You guys were all crying.

00:47:36.320 Who had a better time?

00:47:37.200 Yeah, I mean, it makes no difference because no one gives a shit.

00:47:39.840 Yeah.

00:47:40.240 All that protesting seems to be-

00:47:41.680 The complacency.

00:47:42.240 Listen, the black vote matters.

00:47:45.360 You know, that many people matters.

00:47:47.440 They have to make some concessions.

00:47:48.880 One black guy's vote does not matter.

00:47:53.040 Yeah.

00:47:54.400 I don't know.

00:47:55.040 Yeah, you want to live in negative, like,

00:47:57.200 if you're complacent, it's going to be another Holocaust.

00:47:59.200 Like, get out of here.

00:48:00.080 Well, I'm just putting what they might say to you.

00:48:03.120 And the reason I am is it's not some-

00:48:05.360 I'm not interested in living in the negative world or a positive world.

00:48:09.280 I'm interested living in reality.

00:48:11.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:11.600 And reality is often somewhere in between those two.

00:48:14.720 Yeah, so if you have a-

00:48:16.960 Do you follow basketball at all?

00:48:18.000 Mm-hmm.

00:48:19.120 Okay, so if-

00:48:20.080 I'm a big NBA fan.

00:48:21.040 Okay.

00:48:21.680 So if Giannis goes up and goes 13 of 19 for 30 points, a couple threes and a few foul shots,

00:48:30.880 I mean, you could focus on those six and two of those were ill-advised shots.

00:48:34.880 And you're like, well, if you don't say anything, he's going to keep doing that.

00:48:37.200 It's going to go whatever.

00:48:38.160 And it's like, we're talking about a guy who had an all-star level performance.

00:48:40.640 Right.

00:48:41.120 And you're focused on this other thing.

00:48:43.440 Mm-hmm.

00:48:44.480 It's where you put your focus will be all you think about.

00:48:46.800 It's not only where you put your focus.

00:48:48.480 It's also your assessment of how good or bad that is, right?

00:48:52.400 Because if he goes one for 19, three nights in a row, you'd sort of be like,

00:48:57.680 well, we've got to-

00:48:58.400 Hey, we've got to talk.

00:48:58.880 You wouldn't be like, oh, well, he scored one.

00:49:01.600 I mean, that's great.

00:49:02.400 Yeah.

00:49:02.880 The anti-Semitism has not gotten to the one of 19 level.

00:49:05.200 You don't feel that?

00:49:06.080 No.

00:49:06.880 No.

00:49:07.600 Every day, there's nobody's coming in contact.

00:49:11.360 That's almost every day.

00:49:12.720 No Jew is coming in contact with anything.

00:49:15.360 You know, every Jew walks around all day and doesn't, nothing happens.

00:49:18.880 That's almost every day for everybody.

00:49:22.000 My friend, Nate Marshall said this, what he was like living in the news.

00:49:26.800 And he was like, every white guy wants me dead.

00:49:29.440 This was after George Floyd.

00:49:31.040 He was just living in the news.

00:49:32.320 And this is the reality that he was living in.

00:49:34.480 Every white person wants him dead.

00:49:35.840 And him and his, a couple of the black friends are going fishing in Pennsylvania.

00:49:39.360 And they saw an old fucking white dude with like a gray beard.

00:49:42.720 He starts rowing over them.

00:49:43.760 He says, fuck.

00:49:45.120 He's going to be like, you can't be here.

00:49:46.640 Fuck, you know, the N-words.

00:49:47.760 We don't want you here.

00:49:49.360 And they're saying like, how's this going to go?

00:49:51.200 And the guy's like, hey, guys, you're, you're casting like way wrong.

00:49:56.320 You got to let it go at the top.

00:49:57.680 I'm seeing you.

00:49:58.320 Like, dude, just try it.

00:49:59.440 Show the watch.

00:50:00.080 And he goes, at the top, let it go there.

00:50:02.080 And he goes, and they did it.

00:50:04.240 He goes, great.

00:50:05.040 Have a good time.

00:50:05.680 There's a great hole right here.

00:50:07.040 And then he wrote off.

00:50:08.400 And then Nate was just left with this feeling of like, oh, I misinterpreted the whole world.

00:50:12.960 Because I was hearing about this horrible shit.

00:50:15.440 I'm telling my friends in dog adoption, they see dogs everywhere being mistreated.

00:50:20.480 And everyone else doesn't see it.

00:50:21.760 That's right.

00:50:22.320 And they're living in this world.

00:50:23.280 They see a Chihuahua and they're mad because like, that's a Mexican family.

00:50:26.560 They're going to abandon that dog.

00:50:28.720 And that's their reality.

00:50:30.720 And your reality is not that.

00:50:32.400 Dave Temple, this comic, he said there was lockdowns, a COVID lockdown, not COVID lockdowns, riot lockdowns in Philadelphia.

00:50:38.960 He had left his phone at home and was on a walk, COVID time, you know.

00:50:43.200 And there was riots four blocks over.

00:50:46.080 He didn't know.

00:50:46.720 He was four blocks away.

00:50:47.600 Couldn't even hear it.

00:50:48.720 And everybody got an alert on their phone.

00:50:50.480 Go home now.

00:50:51.440 It's the city shut down.

00:50:52.880 And he said for the next seven minutes, the city was shut down and he was unaware.

00:50:57.760 So he was just enjoying a spring day for seven minutes.

00:51:01.280 Being on the news wouldn't have helped him in any way.

00:51:04.000 It would have just hastened the fucking anger.

00:51:07.920 Shut it.

00:51:08.880 Just shut it.

00:51:09.840 It's all horrible.

00:51:10.800 And you know they're driving you to horrible.

00:51:13.200 Just shut it off.

00:51:14.800 It's fucking grayed out.

00:51:16.480 The science is on another level.

00:51:18.240 Comedy is on another level.

00:51:19.680 Every comedian is doing fucking arenas.

00:51:21.680 It's all going great.

00:51:23.280 Let's not live in this fucking horrible, negative place.

00:51:25.520 It's all going great.

00:51:28.080 This is a man who hasn't yet moved to England.

00:51:29.920 Yeah, I know, I know.

00:51:32.000 I mean, the late night food is a problem.

00:51:33.840 I've started making a list of like...

00:51:35.200 You keep saying it's grayed out.

00:51:36.880 Nine months of the year, it's not fucking grayed out.

00:51:38.720 Well, yeah, okay.

00:51:39.280 Yeah.

00:51:39.680 So there's that.

00:51:40.640 So I've made a list of stuff I'm going to have to focus on.

00:51:43.840 One is those heated racks in the bathrooms.

00:51:46.720 Yeah.

00:51:47.280 We don't have those.

00:51:48.160 I'm going to be like, that is nice.

00:51:49.440 That is nice.

00:51:50.320 The water, the hot water thing that goes on through the device instead of like a tank

00:51:54.480 in the basement that runs out when you take more than a 10 minute shower.

00:51:57.200 Yeah.

00:51:57.760 That's fucking sick.

00:51:58.640 I'm looking forward to that.

00:51:59.920 Long showers where it just stays hot.

00:52:03.200 You sound like you're going to a third world country, mate.

00:52:05.520 The lack of late night food is a real issue.

00:52:08.720 I'm going to have to figure that out.

00:52:11.680 I can't walk home from spots there the way I can here.

00:52:14.160 So I'm going to be like, all right, well, better fucking Turkish food than here.

00:52:18.800 That is true.

00:52:19.680 And better Indian food.

00:52:20.560 And better Indian food.

00:52:21.440 Yeah.

00:52:21.680 So that I'm looking forward to.

00:52:25.360 Fights.

00:52:26.320 I'm looking forward to fights in audiences.

00:52:28.560 That'll be great.

00:52:30.960 That's a, it's a, yeah, the weather is going to be a real issue.

00:52:34.640 But you're a fucking one hour flight to Portugal.

00:52:37.200 You're a one hour flight to Portugal.

00:52:38.720 How fucking sick is that?

00:52:39.520 Nice try.

00:52:40.000 Harry.

00:52:40.320 What?

00:52:41.040 Here's what we're going to do, right?

00:52:42.160 You're going to take a train to Amsterdam.

00:52:44.560 The wheat sacks.

00:52:45.360 You can get three hour train.

00:52:47.200 Smoke come right home.

00:52:48.320 Go ahead.

00:52:49.360 You move to the UK.

00:52:50.320 Yeah.

00:52:50.880 We'll give it a couple of years.

00:52:52.000 Yeah.

00:52:52.400 Yeah.

00:52:52.560 Yeah.

00:52:52.640 And then we'll see how you're all fucking sun and rainbows.

00:52:55.120 All right.

00:52:55.600 Yeah.

00:52:56.000 Yeah.

00:52:56.160 Yeah.

00:52:56.240 The weather I'm really worried about.

00:52:57.680 Yeah.

00:52:57.760 Yeah.

00:52:57.920 Let's see.

00:52:58.320 After a couple of years.

00:52:59.040 I might have to get those glasses.

00:53:00.000 You're going to start a podcast about how miserable everything is.

00:53:02.560 Believe you me, mate.

00:53:03.360 Yeah.

00:53:04.560 I'm really looking forward to interviewing him in a couple of years.

00:53:07.200 How are you, Harry?

00:53:08.000 Everything's shit.

00:53:08.880 You're shit.

00:53:09.520 Fuck off.

00:53:10.880 This crap.

00:53:11.680 I'm leaving.

00:53:12.240 Fuck this country.

00:53:13.280 I can't wait to ask for a fag.

00:53:15.440 Yeah.

00:53:15.840 Oh, that's going to be fun.

00:53:18.160 Whenever in the UK, you've got a bummer fag.

00:53:19.840 Yeah, exactly, mate.

00:53:20.800 Oh, god damn.

00:53:22.160 That's going to be exciting.

00:53:23.280 Yeah.

00:53:24.560 This is the thing with Americans.

00:53:25.840 They get excited about stuff.

00:53:27.200 Yeah.

00:53:27.680 Ah, you cunts.

00:53:29.440 Yeah.

00:53:29.840 It's going to be great.

00:53:31.040 Right.

00:53:31.280 The video is now demonetized.

00:53:32.800 Thanks, Harry.

00:53:34.160 Appreciate it.

00:53:35.280 Yeah.

00:53:35.520 It is negative, but also they get, so like I have friends who are writers who literally

00:53:40.240 they'll get, they'll send a script and they'll be like, we will not read your script.

00:53:43.520 You're a white man.

00:53:44.560 Yeah.

00:53:45.120 So that is bad.

00:53:46.240 I feel bad for them.

00:53:47.520 I also have black friends who are also writers who are like, hey, finish your fucking script.

00:53:52.640 They're looking for you now.

00:53:53.920 It's a great time to be one of my black male friend writers.

00:53:57.680 You're gonna get red.

00:53:59.840 That is good.

00:54:00.720 That's a good part of it.

00:54:03.280 So yeah, that other part does suck, but like, I don't know.

00:54:05.440 And look, if you're white, blackface.

00:54:07.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:08.000 Blackface, absolutely.

00:54:09.040 I knew a friend who was half Japanese and he was using Pearlman as his last name.

00:54:12.800 They're like, use your fucking mom's last name.

00:54:14.800 Are you nuts?

00:54:15.840 Use Yamasaki.

00:54:17.680 It's a fucking packet.

00:54:22.400 It is.

00:54:22.800 And it gets a lot more work now.

00:54:24.560 Yeah, absolutely.

00:54:25.680 That's the way to do it.

00:54:26.480 Identify as whatever you want to be.

00:54:28.160 Just play the game.

00:54:29.040 It's fine.

00:54:29.440 Exactly.

00:54:29.920 It's stupid, but who cares?

00:54:31.040 Yeah.

00:54:31.280 Everyone's trans.

00:54:32.080 Everyone's trans.

00:54:33.680 My friend said that if everyone got herpes, no one will worry about it.

00:54:36.320 Everyone should just get herpes.

00:54:38.960 That's a friend who has herpes.

00:54:41.120 That sounds like someone who has herpes.

00:54:42.080 You get what I'm saying though, right?

00:54:43.120 About the positive.

00:54:44.000 Yeah, no.

00:54:44.560 It's like, you don't.

00:54:45.600 No.

00:54:46.400 No, it's not that I don't get it.

00:54:47.680 It's that I get it and don't agree.

00:54:49.120 Okay.

00:54:49.680 So here's the reason why, right?

00:54:51.600 Yeah.

00:54:52.000 Your black friends may have been denied opportunities in the past because they were black.

00:54:56.000 Yeah.

00:54:56.320 And your white friends are now being denied opportunities because they're white.

00:54:59.520 I'd much rather live in a world where Martin Luther King, who you were talking about,

00:55:03.520 where his vision gets fulfilled.

00:55:05.360 Me too.

00:55:05.920 Which is neither black or white people are discriminated against and it fundamentally

00:55:10.720 is your script any good.

00:55:12.080 Right?

00:55:12.320 But like you can't get on Netflix now unless you're like, because they need a certain amount

00:55:16.000 of white or black or female or BIPOC like spots.

00:55:21.200 But when I started coming, there was no Netflix.

00:55:23.520 So if I had a Comedy Central special and I got 500,000 views, which mine did, and they were

00:55:28.880 very happy with that, that's a mediocre special on YouTube now.

00:55:33.120 So things are much better.

00:55:35.120 Yeah.

00:55:35.200 And if you're like, well, I can't get on Netflix.

00:55:36.640 Like, but that was never even around.

00:55:38.080 Totally.

00:55:38.720 In that sense.

00:55:39.520 So we're way better off.

00:55:40.880 Overall, yes.

00:55:41.840 But just black trans women are way, way better.

00:55:47.840 That is a very good point.

00:55:49.040 Yeah.

00:55:49.280 Harry, it's been awesome chatting with you.

00:55:50.560 Yeah.

00:55:51.360 Before we go to questions from our supporters that only they will get to see the answer to.

00:55:55.280 Yeah.

00:55:55.760 Uh, ka-ching.

00:55:57.280 Ka-ching.

00:55:57.840 Yeah, careful.

00:55:58.880 Right on the line.

00:56:01.920 What's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be?

00:56:04.160 These mugs, you can get it right now at trigonometry.com.

00:56:07.440 What a good Jew, Aaron.

00:56:08.720 Yeah, he's a great Jew.

00:56:09.280 I mean, you can just get them to shift right to you.

00:56:11.360 Yeah.

00:56:11.840 It's both of you.

00:56:12.880 Yeah.

00:56:13.200 We didn't even have to pay him to do that.

00:56:17.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:56:18.240 Just 10%.

00:56:19.040 Yeah.

00:56:20.080 There you go.

00:56:21.760 Uh, what are we not talking about that we should be talking about?

00:56:24.400 Like in the world, in your, in this world.

00:56:26.560 In any world.

00:56:27.440 What do you think is important that people aren't talking about?

00:56:30.320 Um.

00:56:30.960 Other than what we just talked about, which is fairly important.

00:56:33.920 Yeah.

00:56:34.560 Let me think.

00:56:36.320 I mean, yeah, I'm more into social things.

00:56:38.800 So like,

00:56:39.280 like what I get all the time.

00:56:43.200 I get like my friends.

00:56:44.560 Can you believe they're doing a movie about this?

00:56:46.000 It's so fun.

00:56:46.560 It's so stupid.

00:56:47.280 It's so that.

00:56:47.840 And I never get anybody saying like,

00:56:49.280 Hey, I saw a good movie.

00:56:50.880 American fiction is incredible.

00:56:52.240 Yeah.

00:56:52.800 That's a really good movie.

00:56:53.840 Have you seen that?

00:56:54.480 No.

00:56:54.880 Oh, it's, it's the best satire that's been produced for like 20 years.

00:56:58.080 Really?

00:56:58.480 Yeah.

00:56:59.200 American fiction is great.

00:57:00.640 It's actually so good.

00:57:01.920 It actually gave me hope.

00:57:03.600 Who made it?

00:57:04.240 Uh, I don't know.

00:57:05.680 American fiction.

00:57:06.640 American fiction.

00:57:07.360 It's about a black writer who writes like a normal human being instead of writing about

00:57:14.400 being black.

00:57:14.960 Oh yeah.

00:57:15.360 And he has no success at all.

00:57:16.800 So he gets really frustrated and he writes a book about the black experience and he just

00:57:22.640 throws all his anger and resentment and bitterness of the world, the way it sees him into it.

00:57:28.800 And it, and it just crushes.

00:57:30.480 And there's a, there's a essay, I guess, how to write Africa.

00:57:34.720 And it's just, it's just a Kenyan writer.

00:57:36.800 I think, I don't know.

00:57:37.520 But, but he was like, here are the rules on how to write Africa.

00:57:39.920 Uh, and he's just like tongue in cheek.

00:57:41.520 He was like, one, it's one country.

00:57:42.960 Not many.

00:57:43.520 Yeah.

00:57:43.920 Never referred to as different countries.

00:57:45.280 Um, the elephant is always pure and innocent and has never done any harm to any village ever.

00:57:50.160 Um, the white man is the devil.

00:57:52.640 There is always a mama, a fat jovial woman who just wants you to eat.

00:57:56.800 Make sure to write with her about her with her in mind.

00:57:58.960 And it's just like, I just, there's a lot of good shit out there.

00:58:01.280 Yeah.

00:58:01.680 Yeah.

00:58:02.080 Well, American fiction is a great movie.

00:58:03.680 Really?

00:58:03.840 So yeah.

00:58:04.720 Yeah.

00:58:05.120 Okay.

00:58:05.280 Movie.

00:58:05.840 Movie.

00:58:06.240 Okay.

00:58:06.640 Yeah.

00:58:07.120 I think I might've heard of it.

00:58:08.240 It's very good.

00:58:08.880 Okay.

00:58:09.280 I'll check that out.

00:58:09.840 Yeah.

00:58:10.320 Yeah.

00:58:10.640 There's just, um, what are people not, what are people said in the past?

00:58:14.640 What people are not talking about?

00:58:15.920 Everything.

00:58:17.360 Yeah.

00:58:17.920 Everything from really good headphones, change your life to we should be talking about population

00:58:23.040 collapse to whatever.

00:58:24.320 Yeah.

00:58:24.720 Yeah.

00:58:25.120 Stop copying other people.

00:58:26.160 Yeah.

00:58:26.640 Yeah.

00:58:26.880 I'm trying to, yeah, yeah.

00:58:28.400 Can you just vlog some more of our merch?

00:58:30.640 Yeah.

00:58:31.040 Right, right.

00:58:32.240 What else we got?

00:58:32.880 We've got baseball caps.

00:58:33.760 Yeah.

00:58:34.240 Really?

00:58:34.720 Yeah.

00:58:35.040 Yeah.

00:58:35.280 That's nice.

00:58:35.760 We should have got you one.

00:58:36.560 Yeah.

00:58:37.040 Yeah, you should have got one.

00:58:37.680 We'll post you one.

00:58:38.160 Today, I could have, if you had one, I would have worn at home.

00:58:39.840 In the UK, we'll hang out.

00:58:40.800 We'll get you a baseball.

00:58:41.120 Do you have a fact?

00:58:41.760 Can you just have a fag?

00:58:43.760 A fax?

00:58:44.640 A fag?

00:58:45.280 A fag.

00:58:46.000 Can I bum a fag?

00:58:46.720 You can bum a fag.

00:58:48.320 Well, we've got these two young lads.

00:58:50.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:50.720 We'll see what they can do.

00:58:51.680 You don't have a fag I can bum?

00:58:54.480 I've never seen it.

00:58:55.680 Yeah, I reckon we cut it here.

00:58:56.960 Yeah, I've never seen our producer look more vulnerable.

00:58:59.760 Or uncomfortable.

00:59:00.800 Yeah.

00:59:01.200 They did it once and I was working the door to the comedy stuff.

00:59:02.560 He's below the age in this country anyway.

00:59:04.240 Oh, really?

00:59:04.800 How old are you?

00:59:05.120 He's 19.

00:59:05.760 You're 19.

00:59:06.720 Yeah.

00:59:07.600 So you can't drink.

00:59:08.800 You're still 18.

00:59:10.320 So you can't drink, but you can bum him.

00:59:11.840 It's okay.

00:59:12.240 Yeah.

00:59:12.800 How long after you fuck can you fuck again?

00:59:16.880 Shut up.

00:59:17.360 I'm done with you.

00:59:19.920 All right.

00:59:20.400 Ari.

00:59:20.800 Yeah.

00:59:21.200 We're heading to locals.

00:59:22.320 Thank you for being on the show.

00:59:23.360 You're welcome.

00:59:23.840 Thanks.

00:59:27.440 How do you deal with the cognitive dissonance of what I call Schrodinger's Jew,

00:59:32.480 i.e. the Jews are somehow simultaneously the intermentioned fools destined for nothing,

00:59:37.520 and also rich Illuminati bank overlords.

TRIGGERnometry - September 01, 2024

“The Internet is Not Reality” - Ari Shaffir

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